From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Wed Jan 25 19:33:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15429 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2006 03:33:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2006 03:33:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.223) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2006 03:33:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n3.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2006 03:30:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2006 03:30:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2006 03:30:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 03:30:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000801bf5522$fdc246c0$b174fea9@jimu1qk1c5bfjl> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.43.228.32 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: Good news the one in the vally is still on!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=dhuiIe7-crtNNvg_WkxXEycFM1u-81rsAhbU7Ube3LUha1fhe7hj X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Thanks for the clarification, Jimbo. Upon the loss of a station's=20 C-QuAM pilot tone, I usually wait a few days, then contact the=20 station for an explanation. I believe that KCBC is a Crawford station, so HD Radio is on the horizon.=20=20=20 Incidently, your computer clock time is more than six years in the=20 past. You may wish to investigate. Perhaps the CMOS battery has died. 73, Jeff Deck Http://Meduci.com Home of the world class AMX-2000 stereo tuner!!=20 New products are in development!=20 You write >Hi Folks Well i guess KCBC AM STEREO 770 was working on there=20 >stuff. Because they were back on as of today 1-26-2006. Sad thing >is thats the only one here in the valley that i can get dering day >time hours. Jim Smith=20 From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 25 22:10:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57725 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2006 06:10:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2006 06:10:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.210) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2006 06:10:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 75266 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2006 06:09:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimu1qk1c5bfjl) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@71.142.208.114 with login) by smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2006 06:09:13 -0000 Message-ID: <000601bf5543$6ff10720$b174fea9@jimu1qk1c5bfjl> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 09:04:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Yes Jeff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=9o7z25puCOo78qk_QGvQgxfbwYR13suPwE8QcB7KS5yYdmci5krZWJBOA2-m4SdXeCdczxmj X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Folks Yes Jeff you are about both. My battery is dead and thay are a Grawford station and yes i had herd them advertise about HD Radio once. There only one thing i can fix. Wow that should sound neeto between KCBS ALL NOISE 74 and KCBC AM 770. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jan 26 06:31:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10547 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2006 14:31:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2006 14:31:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30009.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2006 14:31:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 50417 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jan 2006 14:04:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20060126140412.50415.qmail@web30009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.5.219.153] by web30009.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 06:04:12 PST Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 06:04:12 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000601bf5543$6ff10720$b174fea9@jimu1qk1c5bfjl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.72 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Hey Jim X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=ceMwsL-E8zUzmUZJcKO2tT3JmoaYerG4RTG-4hztEeY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jim smith wrote: fix the date on your computer....lol! Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! 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Subject: Change IF Filter in car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=jpQPkRQZmnSBIAnkYvXUbejdZBg53dl409cK0gTR1PG_s_z9oTNhiN8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Changing an I.F. filter in a car radio is a viable option in some cases. I took apart my 2000 Chrysler AM Stereo car radio and installed a wider I.F. filter. Not only did it give me higher frequency response, it also improved the bass too! My 1995 Chrysler AM Stereo model had a super-wide bandwidth, but the 1999 and 2001 models both had the I.F. cut down to 6KHz, so I put in a 7.5KHz I.F. filter. I wish I would have thought to install a 10KHz filter while I still had it apart! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Jan 26 07:36:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+rxPT+34+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29110 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2006 15:36:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2006 15:36:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2006 15:36:49 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.171]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 47097337 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:28:52 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c6228e$0fe1e240$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:34:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 8, in=11, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.171 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ed De La Hunt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=JHtdEzPTkZQKmeXJJcKIzsZykmdsTbfCf1ebLbaALhX2RyLmTCE3 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude >> It's an FCC "thing," like AM stereo was. They don't look at the solid technical stuff, they look at who they like and don't like. They don't like Leonard Kahn. They didn't like him before and they don't like him again. Q: So what's your alternative to HD Radio? What is the best practical path for industry to take? De La Hunt: Let the broadcasters choose their own technology. Don't try to drive them with a standard. A lot of people say no one listens to AM now. Well, if no one listens, let the AMs do what they want within the current bandwidth standards. On AM I think the majority of small-town broadcasters will go to Cam-D. We'll not go digital on FM; we'll go with the system [FMeXtra from Digital Radio Express] that gives us additional channels for $9,000. I bought a Kahn stereo system in the hope that the marketplace decision would be a marketplace decision. Then the FCC mandated that I had to immediately turn it off. I'm scared of the commission once again being run by a bunch of bureaucrats mandating what we have to do, based on what they perceive to be a marketplace decision. I know government. Government thinks they're right, and when they think they're right, they mandate. The living proof is what they did with the C-QUAM system. They absolutely destroyed the concept of stereo on AM. I think at the time of that debate we had a fighting chance to light up AM again. << IIRC the FCC decided on CQuAM because it had become a defacto WORLD standard. Each system had its ups and downs, but even the technically adept Japanese chose that system. It's not impossible that money had something to do with it, but I don't have any proof of that either. I notice he's still big on a "marketplace decision." This guy hasn't learned from history that standards need to be set. Can you imagine if the FCC had allowed both the current NTSC *and* CBS color system? How much longer would it have taken for color TV to have caught on with all your NBC affiliates using one and the CBS using the other? Heaven knows what ABC and the independents would have done. The manufacturers didn't make a lot of AM stereo radios precisely *because* of the confusion. Someone who knows Ed better than I do told me his opinions weren't always logical, and now I have proof. It's good he's against IBOC, but what he's recommending isn't a workable alternative. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "dbdigital2004" > But there is a fasinating interview in Radio World with Ed De La Hunt, owner of several > small market AM and FM stations concerning his (and other station owners) take on IBOC > and what he sees is the future for digital radio. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Jan 26 09:16:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+rxPT+34+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7387 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2006 17:16:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2006 17:16:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2006 17:16:27 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.171]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 49769724 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:01:38 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c6228a$43ebdcc0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <000801bf5522$fdc246c0$b174fea9@jimu1qk1c5bfjl> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:03:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.047000 Subject has lots of exclamation marks=1.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 8, in=12, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.171 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Good news the one in the vally is still on!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=CGJt3DaHtgCL0XGgwO4zd_klhLfEIEp3eLHr4YMl2sLmmBxh9T7w X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Being that it's owned by Crawford Broadcasting, it wouldn't surprise me if they were to go IBOC pretty soon. I know they did that to their Denver stations already. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim smith" > Hi Folks Well i guess KCBC AM STEREO 770 was working on there stuff. Because they were back on as of today 1-26-2006. Sad thing is thats the only one here in the valley that i can get dering day time hours. Jim Smith > From tomray@wor710.com Thu Jan 26 09:56:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84146 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2006 17:56:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2006 17:56:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.223) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2006 17:56:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n3.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2006 17:56:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2006 17:56:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2006 17:56:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:56:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004501c6228e$0fe1e240$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Ed De La Hunt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=p58cFDX3q_GTbaequvhMtXqas0n6dCWsHhOdks2orTmecJKJ X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > << > IIRC the FCC decided on CQuAM because it had become a defacto WORLD > standard. Each system had its ups and downs, but even the technically adept > Japanese chose that system. It's not impossible that money had something to > do with it, but I don't have any proof of that either. Add to that the fact that Motorola had the marketing and $ behind them, and there simply were more C-QUAM radios being produced....it then had to become the defacto standard.=20=20 >=20 > I notice he's still big on a "marketplace decision." This guy hasn't > learned from history that standards need to be set. Can you imagine if the > FCC had allowed both the current NTSC *and* CBS color system? How much > longer would it have taken for color TV to have caught on with all your NBC > affiliates using one and the CBS using the other? Heaven knows what ABC and > the independents would have done. The manufacturers didn't make a lot of AM > stereo radios precisely *because* of the confusion. Someone who knows Ed > better than I do told me his opinions weren't always logical, and now I have > proof. It's good he's against IBOC, but what he's recommending isn't a > workable alternative. Amen, Scott. Don't forget that Joe Listener isn't technically adept as those on this board are. They want something they can turn on and it works. While DSP can probably handle sensing which system is in use, you don't need to get any radios out there where the user needs to know which system a station is transmitting.....and you know that some lower end radios will have manual switching. This didn't work with AM Stereo....it won't work with digital. Agreement is 100% that we need a standard to work with....not a "marketplace" decision to work against us. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Thu Jan 26 18:11:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77072 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2006 02:11:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2006 02:11:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2006 02:11:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2006 02:10:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2006 02:10:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 02:10:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601bf5543$6ff10720$b174fea9@jimu1qk1c5bfjl> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Yes Jeff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=iNFj_--X6c6lXoEiv1EqsG7_sUM6S4b0YS4ejExtYNwPtoXf X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: >> My battery is dead. Boy...that sounds like a personal problem if I ever heard one! What about the battery in your computer?? Tom Ray WOR From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 26 18:43:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50712 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2006 02:43:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2006 02:43:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.200) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2006 02:43:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 15337 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2006 02:43:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimu1qk1c5bfjl) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@71.143.26.201 with login) by smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2006 02:43:00 -0000 Message-ID: <000601c622f4$0fef8d80$b174fea9@jimu1qk1c5bfjl> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:45:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: KCBC AM STEREO 770 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=URvyhks0ifzm0LIuM3AuQdKHcUpEUuWP57uJnaqM-GoiqB84_ilcm1JtGKClvFIxCpt6FABy X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HI Folks I had found out that KCBC AM STEREO 770 is not licened to Crawford Broadcasting Inc. On the FCC data site said the the licensee is Kiertron Inc. Any one can see the same thing on www.fcc.gov . Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Thu Jan 26 18:46:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58521 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2006 02:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2006 02:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.223) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2006 02:46:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n3.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2006 02:45:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2006 02:45:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2006 02:45:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 02:45:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004501c6228e$0fe1e240$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.167.104.73 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ed De La Hunt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=3KDnv6W5ZXAZdHGh06OQqG-aN8tZEQZddTUn_ZW4XfDLHPuZNUViXw X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > De La Hunt: Let the broadcasters choose their own technology. Don't try t= o > drive them with a standard. A lot of people say no one listens to AM now. > Well, if no one listens, let the AMs do what they want within the current > bandwidth standards. >=20 > On AM I think the majority of small-town broadcasters will go to Cam-D. > We'll not go digital on FM; we'll go with the system [FMeXtra from Digita= l > Radio Express] that gives us additional channels for $9,000. >=20 > IIRC the FCC decided on CQuAM because it had become a defacto WORLD > standard. Each system had its ups and downs, but even the technically ad= ept > Japanese chose that system. It's not impossible that money had something= to > do with it, but I don't have any proof of that either. >=20 > I notice he's still big on a "marketplace decision." This guy hasn't > learned from history that standards need to be set. Can you imagine if t= he > FCC had allowed both the current NTSC *and* CBS color system? How much > longer would it have taken for color TV to have caught on with all your N= BC > affiliates using one and the CBS using the other? Heaven knows what ABC = and > the independents would have done. The manufacturers didn't make a lot of= AM > stereo radios precisely *because* of the confusion. Someone who knows Ed > better than I do told me his opinions weren't always logical, and now I h= ave > proof. It's good he's against IBOC, but what he's recommending isn't a > workable alternative. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 I think Mr. De La Hunt's idea of letting AM broadcasters decide what techno= logy they want=20 to use has merit. We already know that a lot of AM station owners would rather go dark than c= onvert to=20 IBOC, so why not let them choose? As long as it's a consistant standard. He mentions the CAM-D system as the one of choice. If memory serves me, I = think=20 Leonard Kahn is selling the hardware complete for about 25K... no other fee= s and it=20 works with a wide variety and age of transmitters. At least the FCC should consider the small market broadcaster in whatever i= t decides. The=20 majority simply cannot afford iBiquity as Mr. De La Hunt points out. db >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "dbdigital2004" >=20 > > But there is a fasinating interview in Radio World with Ed De La Hunt, > owner of several > > small market AM and FM stations concerning his (and other station owner= s) > take on IBOC > > and what he sees is the future for digital radio. > From jimsmith@vfr.net Thu Jan 26 18:48:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93100 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2006 02:48:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2006 02:48:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2006 02:48:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2006 02:47:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2006 02:47:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 02:47:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.143.26.201 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: Yes Jeff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=L6MwH1bW932qqGNHczOAx2aPC9xlA0H_w6dTGI78xDC7GhaPP5JlGA X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" > wrote: > >> My battery is dead. >=20 >=20 > Boy...that sounds like a personal problem if I ever heard one! What > about the battery in your computer?? >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > Hey Both!!!! Jim Smith From jimsmith@vfr.net Thu Jan 26 19:11:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60069 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2006 03:11:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2006 03:11:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2006 03:11:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2006 03:10:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2006 03:10:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 03:10:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.143.26.201 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ed De La Hunt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=YpTXsXjn_N48A7ymSXcLLN-F1ipS1PQuKj6-TNkbQrMRayTyLO25yA X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" =20 wrote: > > De La Hunt: Let the broadcasters choose their own technology.=20 Don't try to > > drive them with a standard. A lot of people say no one listens to=20 AM now. > > Well, if no one listens, let the AMs do what they want within the=20 current > > bandwidth standards. > >=20 > > On AM I think the majority of small-town broadcasters will go to=20 Cam-D. > > We'll not go digital on FM; we'll go with the system [FMeXtra=20 from Digital > > Radio Express] that gives us additional channels for $9,000. > >=20 > > IIRC the FCC decided on CQuAM because it had become a defacto=20 WORLD > > standard. Each system had its ups and downs, but even the=20 technically adept > > Japanese chose that system. It's not impossible that money had=20 something to > > do with it, but I don't have any proof of that either. > >=20 > > I notice he's still big on a "marketplace decision." This guy=20 hasn't > > learned from history that standards need to be set. Can you=20 imagine if the > > FCC had allowed both the current NTSC *and* CBS color system?=20=20 How much > > longer would it have taken for color TV to have caught on with=20 all your NBC > > affiliates using one and the CBS using the other? Heaven knows=20 what ABC and > > the independents would have done. The manufacturers didn't make=20 a lot of AM > > stereo radios precisely *because* of the confusion. Someone who=20 knows Ed > > better than I do told me his opinions weren't always logical, and=20 now I have > > proof. It's good he's against IBOC, but what he's recommending=20 isn't a > > workable alternative. > >=20 > > Scott Todd > >=20 >=20 > I think Mr. De La Hunt's idea of letting AM broadcasters decide=20 what technology they want=20 > to use has merit. >=20 > We already know that a lot of AM station owners would rather go=20 dark than convert to=20 > IBOC, so why not let them choose? As long as it's a consistant=20 standard. >=20 > He mentions the CAM-D system as the one of choice. If memory=20 serves me, I think=20 > Leonard Kahn is selling the hardware complete for about 25K... no=20 other fees and it=20 > works with a wide variety and age of transmitters. >=20 > At least the FCC should consider the small market broadcaster in=20 whatever it decides. The=20 > majority simply cannot afford iBiquity as Mr. De La Hunt points out. >=20 > db > >=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: "dbdigital2004" > >=20 > > > But there is a fasinating interview in Radio World with Ed De=20 La Hunt, > > owner of several > > > small market AM and FM stations concerning his (and other=20 station owners) > > take on IBOC > > > and what he sees is the future for digital radio. > > > Hi Gang Look what we got out of the "markitplace discsion". If=20 the FCC pick the winning sistem back in 1983 or 85 wich i think it=20 was c-quam am stereo would be like fm stereo has been for a long time=20 a lot more of them on the air. It would have helped if the=20 broadcasters did the same thing thay did with FM STEREO. Kept C-QUAM=20 ON!!!! Jim Smith From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Jan 27 17:51:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+0djR+36+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55139 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2006 01:51:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2006 01:51:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2006 01:51:05 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.221]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 50326128 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:50:11 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c623ae$0a7d3fe0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <000601c622f4$0fef8d80$b174fea9@jimu1qk1c5bfjl> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:56:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 4, in=58, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.221 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KCBC AM STEREO 770 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=zmRv0Jurr2YpaIdLQNSCOFQDd4Kof9theY4NyEh74sK1P_t1cscF X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Crawford has a lot of other names under its corporate umbrella. No different with Salem- I straddle two of their corporate entities. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim smith" > HI Folks I had found out that KCBC AM STEREO 770 is not licened to Crawford Broadcasting Inc. On the FCC data site said the the licensee is Kiertron Inc. Any one can see the same thing on www.fcc.gov . Jim Smith > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Jan 27 17:54:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+0djR+36+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12583 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2006 01:54:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2006 01:54:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2006 01:54:17 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.221]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 50326888 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:54:03 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c623ae$95538c00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:00:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 4, in=59, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.221 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ed De La Hunt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=jzYcAsXQhQsmcIv4-CyRRmogZyrdblXROZrHcOKe_ih9zBMuMlAg X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Wishing about what should have happened isn't going to help us much right now, but you are right insofar as if there had been a standard and if broadcasters had stuck with it things would be a whole lot different. This group might not even have formed until now. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimsmith95663" > > > Hi Gang Look what we got out of the "markitplace discsion". If > the FCC pick the winning sistem back in 1983 or 85 wich i think it > was c-quam am stereo would be like fm stereo has been for a long time > a lot more of them on the air. It would have helped if the > broadcasters did the same thing thay did with FM STEREO. Kept C-QUAM > ON!!!! Jim Smith From jimsmith@vfr.net Fri Jan 27 19:09:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16476 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2006 03:09:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2006 03:09:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2006 03:09:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2006 03:09:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2006 03:09:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 03:09:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001f01c623ae$0a7d3fe0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.143.56.196 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KCBC AM STEREO 770 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=2l0lOz3TP7ovoKkIe5JCAAJSvzfCAFzqqpy3VmkCbjInJ5QkO0s2pQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > Crawford has a lot of other names under its corporate umbrella. No > different with Salem- I straddle two of their corporate entities. >=20 > Scott > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "jim smith" >=20 > > HI Folks I had found out that KCBC AM STEREO 770 is not licened to > Crawford Broadcasting Inc. On the FCC data site said the the=20 licensee is > Kiertron Inc. Any one can see the same thing on www.fcc.gov . Jim=20 Smith > > > Hi Oh!!!! I had herd them a little bit today and they saying were=20 saying Grawford alot. Jim Smith From droland66@yahoo.com Sun Jan 29 17:48:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70763 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2006 01:48:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2006 01:48:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2006 01:48:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2006 01:47:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2006 01:47:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 01:47:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.62.179.16 From: "david roland" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ed De La Hunt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=32AiMXFE97qZUzBClOmQxfjS1OIhUt6NDUviVSy8MF2W5hwE X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 I believe the Harris system sounded the best, from what I recall. Coax From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 30 07:14:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74960 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2006 15:14:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2006 15:14:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.163) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2006 15:14:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 47693 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jan 2006 15:14:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20060130151418.47691.qmail@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:14:18 PST Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:14:18 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1138628006.128.25675.m17@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Harris AM Stereo was SWEET X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=lyZ6evgjOa40X75o5Q6F8330wJEaayGPzFzUImByYlpjxlmBjWZk7TM X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio "david roland" wrote: "I believe the Harris system sounded the best, from what I recall." I would have to agree. I have an audio cassette of CKLW broadcasting in Harris, and the frequency response and stereo separation is unbelievably wonderful. I built a homebuilt decoder from a Moto chip and a schematic from Dave Hershberger. I also built a Dick Smith Electronics kit that decoded Harris and Moto CQuam. I believe WSM used to light up the stereo light with a Harris system as well at one time. If they could have found a way to combine Harris, Kahn and Moto into one system, make it a standard, we would have very little to talk about on our list, as they wouldn't have a reason to even bother with IBOC on AM. Had that been the case, I would assume that DSP AM radios and the 'combo' AM stereo system would have resulted in stereo in use on at least 40% of all AM stations today. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From baansy@yahoo.com Tue Jan 31 17:08:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27472 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2006 01:08:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2006 01:08:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2006 01:08:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2006 01:07:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2006 01:07:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 01:07:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 202.173.128.90 From: "baansy" Subject: 1053 2CA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728; y=GlfeWrjHl4o4T3LEjwUEncqGHQFyfTvXxioTR2shqrXO X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy I had a listen to 2CA last night and they have started the new format.=20 The format is now the old stuff you love and the new stuff that you=20 like.=20 Last night they played some songs from the 80's like Bryan Adams Run=20 to you which sounded fantastic in AM STEREO. I also heard the latest=20 song from Coldplay Speed of Sound. I've just had a look at their new website http://2ca.com.au/index.htm=20 and I see that every night they do a Cold 30 which sounds something=20 very similar to what MMM FM does. From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Tue Jan 31 20:24:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82526 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2006 03:38:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2006 03:38:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO act-MTAout2.csiro.au) (150.229.7.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2006 03:38:04 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.56]) by act-MTAout2.csiro.au with ESMTP; 01 Feb 2006 14:36:40 +1100 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.01,242,1136120400"; d="scan'208"; a="79661179:sNHT18538731084" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:36:39 +1100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:36:39 +1100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 4BH Top 1000 Thread-Index: AcYm4LXy6/PfSXcAR4WspTR5Oy6Few== To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2006 03:36:40.0084 (UTC) FILETIME=[B65EE540:01C626E0] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.7.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: 4BH Top 1000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=6lMU2-SAVJ-UzlOE4btsruvrWkX9NuEs7CGW4Ki8J67v 882 Easy 4BH Brisbane is currently playing its listeners' favourite Top 1000 songs of all time. It's streaming in stereo at www.4bh.com.au until next weekend. Good stuff! Ian Melbourne From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Jan 31 21:41:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68082 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2006 05:22:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2006 05:22:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2006 05:22:23 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.13.4/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k115I01s012009; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:18:02 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.13.4/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k115HBg5016763; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:17:11 +1100 Received: from aubwm051.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.159.13]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.13.4/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k115H1Go016594; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:17:11 +1100 Received: from aubwm010.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.166.96]) by aubwm051.apac.corp.eds.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:17:06 +1100 Received: from aubwm208.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.176.248]) by aubwm010.apac.corp.eds.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:17:04 +1100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:16:49 +1100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} 1053 2CA Thread-Index: AcYmzCz0lYOJYawJSXyzDAy1JVXCXAAIaL1w To: Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2006 05:17:04.0700 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD5257C0:01C626EE] X-Originating-IP: 207.169.189.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: RE: {AMSF} 1053 2CA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102; y=vMkdbL0AlWUQC0hJYfJ40toFeCS05M2bZnURQoCdEGuA5wTcsA X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 There are great airchecks of 2CA in wideband AM Stereo from November 2004 at: http://www.oznetradio.com/2CA -----Original Message----- From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of baansy Sent: Wednesday, 1 February 2006 11:08 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} 1053 2CA I had a listen to 2CA last night and they have started the new format.=20 The format is now the old stuff you love and the new stuff that you like.=20 Last night they played some songs from the 80's like Bryan Adams Run to you which sounded fantastic in AM STEREO. I also heard the latest song from Coldplay Speed of Sound. I've just had a look at their new website http://2ca.com.au/index.htm and I see that every night they do a Cold 30 which sounds something very similar to what MMM FM does. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Tired of hearing the same songs over and over? Listen to Internet Radio! Skip songs. Click to listen to LAUNCHcast! http://us.click.yahoo.com/.mKGzA/HARHAA/kkyPAA/CPMolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~->=20 Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links =20 From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Wed Feb 01 16:04:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73883 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2006 00:04:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2006 00:04:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccmmhc92.asp.att.net) (204.127.203.212) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2006 00:04:25 -0000 Received: from your75ojnaappr (12-218-235-200.client.mchsi.com[12.218.235.200]) by sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92) with SMTP id <20060202000307m9200akvfte>; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 00:03:07 +0000 Message-ID: <003701c6278c$0ac03070$c8ebda0c@your75ojnaappr> To: References: Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 18:03:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0605-4, 02/01/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 204.127.203.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John / Juan Gualda" Subject: QUESTION X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=T0HaRh0-ipYgTnzrqwMPTo7WQWTO8VvKWvroaorx8I_Lxuw X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was wondering if anybody can give me any details of the older AM Stereo radios vs. the 3rd generation chips as far as audio quality etc. Are the newer AM Stereo radio worth the price ? We are monitoring KRIB with the Motorola mod monitor, and it sounds pretty good. I was wondering if I should get a newer radio for demonstration purposes OR just use my SRF A100. Thanks in advance Juan Gualda Mason City, IA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Feb 01 18:46:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+EDgd+41+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32346 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2006 02:46:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2006 02:46:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2006 02:46:48 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.209.60]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 49166922 for ; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:44:51 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004f01c627a3$88cfa560$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <003701c6278c$0ac03070$c8ebda0c@your75ojnaappr> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:51:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.209.60 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} QUESTION X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=HtbcX9a6bwIekz_k2Vzk8xhqZ5SW5uc7WDRMzlqiyxgWQyXCa7nm X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Sorry to give you an "it all depends" kind of answer, but really it does vary. If you want to merely demonstrate AM stereo on a portable then the SRF-A100 is good enough. Getting a radio that is optimized for CQuAM is your best bet for demonstrating it at its finest. The later generation chips were more stable under poor reception conditions, though there were some definite improvements in local performance. I think you've been on the list long enough to remember that some people had modified their Radio Shack TM-152 tuners with the 13028 decoder for a drastic improvement in audio. Unless you've got bucks to burn you probably won't need a Fanfare (though it'd sure be nice to have one!!) but getting a later generation tuner will show off AM stereo better. Jeff Deck's creation is a winner. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "John / Juan Gualda" > I was wondering if anybody can give me any details of the older AM Stereo radios vs. the 3rd generation chips as far as audio quality etc. Are the newer AM Stereo radio worth the price ? > > We are monitoring KRIB with the Motorola mod monitor, and it sounds pretty good. > I was wondering if I should get a newer radio for demonstration purposes OR just use my SRF A100. > From tomray@wor710.com Thu Feb 02 12:00:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93169 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2006 20:00:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2006 20:00:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2006 20:00:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2006 20:00:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2006 20:00:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:00:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: From the NY Radio Message Board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=7eF2RvsaScNViBdvS9szWQJlhaXxm-4yCUOW1MH8avFG2sTD X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray The following is from the NY Radio Message Board: Posted by Dave on February 02, 2006 at 13:25:09: I've just purchased the Boston Acoustics HD radio and while it's far from sensitive when compared with the GE Superradio I keep by my bedside it sounds fabulous and WOR AM sounds as good as any FM station has ever sounded, at least on a table radio. I'm listening for artifacts and so far I haven't heard anything that would be disturbing to the ear. The radio goes between analogue and digital automatically and while I'm only 25 miles from the transmitters and one wouldn't expect to lose the IBOC signal so quickly I'm guessing that orientation might be the issue here. The switch from analogue to digital is smooth and besides extended frequency response the noise disappears completely. The total lack of background noise reminds me more of a studio monitor than FM radio. I haven't spent a lot of time listening to the available FM content but what I have heard (The second channel on 101.1) sounds as good as the best FM I have ever heard. I know there are HD naysayers. I can tell you having heard and owned radios that receive the different AM stereo systems, nothing I have heard in the past comes close to what I am hearing on this IBOC radio. It's a revelation.=20 Tom Ray WOR From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Feb 02 20:12:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4171 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2006 04:12:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2006 04:12:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.226) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2006 04:12:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2006 04:10:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2006 04:10:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2006 04:10:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 04:10:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.209.144 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: From the NY Radio Message Board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=lKeaZOL8jVnrkppCq-4wml0CvYda_sdwtSTpk5UoYLJ3Q-Wugw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Any heavily artifact-laden audio, such as IBOC or XM/Sirius, sounds=20 the most pleasing when listening through limited-range, off-axis=20 speaker(s), such as that of a table radio like the Receptor. But switch to a pair of headphones or a hi-fi speaker system with=20 tweeters aimed right at your face, and the artifacts become=20 drastically more noticeable and annoying. From w6yn@juno.com Thu Feb 02 21:59:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62111 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2006 05:59:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2006 05:59:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2006 05:59:39 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB8F6E3A7P5HCS for (sender ); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:56:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LF9WRR6R; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:55:59 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:50:54 -0800 Message-ID: <20060202.215524.3012.5.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8,9-32767 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:2685467733 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLOP5HJ0JGgzBoTlAlBr7mMQ= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: ABC FINALIZES SALE OF ITS RADIO STATIONS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=6LNr4LPenjlRnx7HsUcYKJMXWPBhj3h4PfSaZGB5eA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ABC FINALIZES SALE OF ITS RADIO STATIONS... ANNOUNCEMENT SET FOR EARLY NEXT WEEK... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Thu Feb 02 23:22:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81066 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2006 07:22:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2006 07:22:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2006 07:22:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2006 07:22:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2006 07:22:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 07:22:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.184.96.32 From: "Mike" Subject: Re: From the NY Radio Message Board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087; y=D-ciq2399QQ0ye7pEsl-N2jSeb3PKwNzSNdNYboaUow7L8ut X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." =20 wrote: > > Any heavily artifact-laden audio, such as IBOC or XM/Sirius,=20 sounds=20 > the most pleasing when listening through limited-range, off-axis=20 > speaker(s), such as that of a table radio like the Receptor. > But switch to a pair of headphones or a hi-fi speaker system with=20 > tweeters aimed right at your face, and the artifacts become=20 > drastically more noticeable and annoying. > I saw the Boston Acoustics radio today at the Radio Systems show in=20 South Jersey 1) The audio is WAY to tubby. Needs a treble control (to turn up)=20 or a bass control to (turn it down). Also, the lack of highs seems=20 to mask some of the artifacts on FM, which are more noticable when=20 you slap on some headphones. =20 2) I was impressed with the multicast I heard (92.5 WXTU in=20 Philly). It sounded like different processors for the HD and the=20 analog and the audio was more CD-like on the main HD channel. The=20 secondary channel was liveable and better than expected.=20=20 Considering the fact I would be using that for content over quality,=20 this is tolerable. Overall, the radio had no problems delivering HD=20 or multicast on any station running HD for FM.=20 =20 3) AM was picking up WPEN very clear, they were obviously running HD=20 with the sidebands, but it would not give us more than the call=20 letters on the display (no HD audio). Obviously, with a very=20 useable AM signal in analog, digital was nowhere to be found. WIP=20 was lost in a sea of noise. We were using a loop antenna outside. =20 4) The AM seems to mute when the signal falls below a certain=20 level. PROBLEM. Basically, the AM sucks.=20=20 =20 5) The unit seems to lose sensitiity above 1500kHz (I gathered that=20 because the radio was really muting up there compared to stations=20 below 1500... this may be a quality control issue that is different=20 from set to set).=20 =20 I don't think it's worth $300. Really, this is a $99-$149 radio AT=20 BEST when you factor in reception.=20 On another note, Omnia's SENSUS processor is impressive for low=20 bitrates. On an audio sample at 16kbps for Windows Media, it=20 cleaned up voice VERY well. Without it, the audio was garbled=20 garbage.=20 From tomray@wor710.com Fri Feb 03 04:27:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26465 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2006 12:27:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2006 12:27:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2006 12:27:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2006 12:26:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2006 12:26:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 12:26:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: From the NY Radio Message Board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=0Vi_ihosjFklHs5x7Q2DSVkU3OaCn10kpup75ECsI7RAbBNb X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" wrote: > > 1) The audio is WAY to tubby. Needs a treble control (to turn up)=20 > or a bass control to (turn it down). Also, the lack of highs seems=20 > to mask some of the artifacts on FM, which are more noticable when=20 > you slap on some headphones. These are menu items, not available on the front panel. >=20=20 > 3) AM was picking up WPEN very clear, they were obviously running HD=20 > with the sidebands, but it would not give us more than the call=20 > letters on the display (no HD audio). Obviously, with a very=20 > useable AM signal in analog, digital was nowhere to be found. WIP=20 > was lost in a sea of noise. We were using a loop antenna outside. Something must not have been right with that radio. I have mine in my office, where I get whistles and hums on the WOR signal, and it locks to the HD signal every time. Tom Ray WOR From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Fri Feb 03 10:43:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69578 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2006 18:43:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2006 18:43:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.222) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2006 18:43:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2006 18:42:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2006 18:42:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2006 18:42:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 18:42:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.184.96.32 From: "Mike" Subject: Re: From the NY Radio Message Board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087; y=ZeoHG25lZ5smJv_muqSbEinsLPWUMQUzVFlQmTd7dOVMJlQn X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" =20 wrote: > > >=20 > > 1) The audio is WAY to tubby. Needs a treble control (to turn=20 up)=20 > > or a bass control to (turn it down). Also, the lack of highs=20 seems=20 > > to mask some of the artifacts on FM, which are more noticable=20 when=20 > > you slap on some headphones. >=20 > These are menu items, not available on the front panel. I just found out about the bass cut feature. I do not know if we=20 were listening with it ON or OFF since we did not know it existed. > Something must not have been right with that radio. I have mine=20 in my > office, where I get whistles and hums on the WOR signal, and it=20 locks > to the HD signal every time. This is what I thought after hearing much praise about uncovering=20 the HD under noisy analog. This didn't do it when the analog was=20 pretty quiet. All it recovered was the station calls on the display. Since the sensitivity seemed to be off above 1500khz as well, I=20 think this particular radio has some issues that need to be=20 addressed at the factory. YMMV from set to set. I don't like the muting on AM, which can render the unit useless at=20 night right now. That should be a software fix if BA wants to undo=20 it (and I think they should). I still can't see $299 for this radio. Alot of that is buying the=20 Boston Acoustics name and a name does not a good radio make. For=20 the HD to work properly, you need a sound tuner to start with. This=20 tuner is not great. I'd like to see Tivoli or Sangean come up with=20 something. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Feb 03 15:07:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+NQR0+42+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93592 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2006 23:07:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2006 23:07:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2006 23:07:56 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.33]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 49809422 for ; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 17:07:47 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c62917$8d955ac0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060202.215524.3012.5.w6yn@juno.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:14:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 8, in=24, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.33 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} ABC FINALIZES SALE OF ITS RADIO STATIONS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=VTdFxMgVxObnK6rL8V_mVdlZHkRAbOKbDLspC-8rOMzCl5lilm5b X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Wonder if it includes Radio Disney, or if not, how it affects the O&O status of those stations? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "W6YN Don Milbury" > ABC FINALIZES SALE OF ITS RADIO STATIONS... ANNOUNCEMENT SET FOR EARLY > NEXT WEEK... From jimsmith@vfr.net Fri Feb 03 19:07:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54906 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2006 02:26:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2006 02:26:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2006 02:26:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2006 02:25:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2006 02:25:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 02:25:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000b01c62917$8d955ac0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.143.47.235 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: {AMSF} ABC FINALIZES SALE OF ITS RADIO STATIONS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=klxoZDyyhzyorayE_BQysjK02AB65e7tiUuvubQlA80mydycaGYyPQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > Wonder if it includes Radio Disney, or if not, how it affects the O&O=20 status > of those stations? >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "W6YN Don Milbury" >=20 > > ABC FINALIZES SALE OF ITS RADIO STATIONS... ANNOUNCEMENT SET FOR=20 EARLY > > NEXT WEEK... > Hi Gang I have radio disney in my area. its KIID AM 1470 and its on=20 the IBOC list to. Gee can't what for the noise. Jim Smith From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sat Feb 04 04:11:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69649 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2006 12:11:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2006 12:11:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2006 12:11:14 -0000 Received: from [4.247.122.4] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F5MFv-0005wq-Sf for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 07:11:08 -0500 Message-ID: <380-22006264121116453@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.115.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:11:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc958065aab20d309242f9075d783fce0e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Current TV Channels Obsolete? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=MybMuw0XLDb2cA4tUCuC8zDq_2tjIDx0B6p5YDm7dVd9dQ In a current article reviewing DVD Players, Consumer Reports makes the following statement: "The familiar analog VHF and UHF channels are slated to disappear probably in early 2009. The network and local stations that occupied them will then broadcast digitally from another part of the frequency spectrum...." I realize that TV signals will be digital, and analog sets will not receive them without a converter box. That is not my question. My question has to do with the VHF & UHF channels themselves. Will stations be abandoning their current channels permanently? Since VHF channels are considered superior to UHF channels in terms of geographic coverage, I would think that the industry would have resisted any reassignment of channels to a spectrum that offered poorer geographic coverage, particularly where the station would be giving up a coveted VHF channel. Is my understanding in error? Thanks, Dick W. From jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 04 05:43:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62108 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2006 13:43:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2006 13:43:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2006 13:43:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2006 13:43:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2006 13:43:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:43:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <380-22006264121116453@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.149.215.172 From: "Jeff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Current TV Channels Obsolete? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=236606698; y=M5siJOonWeuBVXRlw9WOI2atkHQseIngBieG6NgORL7_kTALpg-NZBYEPBNj1eNqOPI X-Yahoo-Profile: jeff7472000 Hi, Dick: Most of the TV stations get to decide for themselves which=20 channel they will use when the digital TV transition period is=20 complete. In my market, Wichita, Kansas for example, KSNW 3 (nbc)=20 will make a permanent move to channel 45; KPTS 8 (pbs), KAKE 10=20 (abc) and KWCH 12 (cbs) will shut down the digital signals which=20 they broadcast on UHF channels, and move the digital signal to the=20 VHF channel where the analog signal has been. In the case of our UHF=20 stations, channels 24, 33 & 36, they will each make a permanent move=20 to the digital channel they operate during the transition period,=20 meaning 24 moves to 26, 33 moves to 31 and 36 moves to=20 35. = =20 = =20 This seems to be the trend across the entire country, with some=20 exceptions of course, for low-band VHF stations and also UHF=20 stations to make a permanent move to their transitional channel, but=20 for high-band VHF stations to move their digital signal to the spot=20 formerly occupied by the analog=20 signal. = =20 = =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > In a current article reviewing DVD Players, Consumer Reports makes=20 the > following statement: "The familiar analog VHF and UHF channels=20 are slated > to disappear probably in early 2009. The network and local=20 stations that > occupied them will then broadcast digitally from another part of=20 the > frequency spectrum...." >=20 > I realize that TV signals will be digital, and analog sets will=20 not receive > them without a converter box. That is not my question.=20=20 >=20 > My question has to do with the VHF & UHF channels themselves. Will > stations be abandoning their current channels permanently? Since=20 VHF > channels are considered superior to UHF channels in terms of=20 geographic > coverage, I would think that the industry would have resisted any > reassignment of channels to a spectrum that offered poorer=20 geographic > coverage, particularly where the station would be giving up a=20 coveted VHF > channel. Is my understanding in error? >=20 > Thanks, > Dick W. > From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sat Feb 04 07:17:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59195 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2006 15:17:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2006 15:17:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2006 15:17:01 -0000 Received: from [4.247.126.52] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F5P9j-0006dO-D2 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:16:56 -0500 Message-ID: <380-220062641517331@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.115.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:17:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc063e27f9864efd0cbfb7e9675f862d3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Current TV Channels Obsolete? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=YpIhkVJnRlqyGAdSEvWdL15b5lhDEXAh6oGXDQuFN0mgxw Thanks, Jeff. But why would a low-band VHF station give up its low-band channel for a UHF channel? Isn't that like handing someone a $10 bill and asking for a $5 bill in its place? For instance, in the case of KSNW, wouldn't channel 3 be far more desirable than channel 45? Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Jeff > To: > Date: 2/4/2006 8:43:27 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Current TV Channels Obsolete? > > Hi, Dick: Most of the TV stations get to decide for themselves which > channel they will use when the digital TV transition period is > complete. In my market, Wichita, Kansas for example, KSNW 3 (nbc) > will make a permanent move to channel 45; KPTS 8 (pbs), KAKE 10 > (abc) and KWCH 12 (cbs) will shut down the digital signals which > they broadcast on UHF channels, and move the digital signal to the > VHF channel where the analog signal has been. In the case of our UHF > stations, channels 24, 33 & 36, they will each make a permanent move > to the digital channel they operate during the transition period, > meaning 24 moves to 26, 33 moves to 31 and 36 moves to > 35. > > This seems to be the trend across the entire country, with some > exceptions of course, for low-band VHF stations and also UHF > stations to make a permanent move to their transitional channel, but > for high-band VHF stations to move their digital signal to the spot > formerly occupied by the analog > signal. > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > > > In a current article reviewing DVD Players, Consumer Reports makes > the > > following statement: "The familiar analog VHF and UHF channels > are slated > > to disappear probably in early 2009. The network and local > stations that > > occupied them will then broadcast digitally from another part of > the > > frequency spectrum...." > > > > I realize that TV signals will be digital, and analog sets will > not receive > > them without a converter box. That is not my question. > > > > My question has to do with the VHF & UHF channels themselves. Will > > stations be abandoning their current channels permanently? Since > VHF > > channels are considered superior to UHF channels in terms of > geographic > > coverage, I would think that the industry would have resisted any > > reassignment of channels to a spectrum that offered poorer > geographic > > coverage, particularly where the station would be giving up a > coveted VHF > > channel. Is my understanding in error? > > > > Thanks, > > Dick W. > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 04 08:22:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77339 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2006 16:22:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2006 16:22:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.231) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2006 16:22:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2006 16:22:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2006 16:22:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2006 16:22:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 16:22:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <380-220062641517331@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.149.215.172 From: "Jeff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Current TV Channels Obsolete? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=236606698; y=MPdoZ6QI47P8Pe8z-2AuVBsVEnazArE6dHHbIHER1eSelJn108oBF7Qjb3VUbmWiOMs X-Yahoo-Profile: jeff7472000 Because low-band VHF is more susceptible to interference of both the=20 natural and man-made varieties (lightning, power lines, engine=20 ignition), not to mention co-channel, there is a greater tendency=20 toward picture freeze-ups and cutting out of the audio when=20 broadcasting digitally on low-band VHF=20 channels. = =20 = =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" =20 wrote: > > Thanks, Jeff. But why would a low-band VHF station give up its=20 low-band > channel for a UHF channel? Isn't that like handing someone a $10=20 bill and > asking for a $5 bill in its place? For instance, in the case of=20 KSNW, > wouldn't channel 3 be far more desirable than channel 45? > Dick W. >=20 >=20 > > [Original Message] > > From: Jeff > > To: > > Date: 2/4/2006 8:43:27 AM > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Current TV Channels Obsolete? > > > > Hi, Dick: Most of the TV stations get to decide for themselves=20 which=20 > > channel they will use when the digital TV transition period is=20 > > complete. In my market, Wichita, Kansas for example, KSNW 3=20 (nbc)=20 > > will make a permanent move to channel 45; KPTS 8 (pbs), KAKE 10=20 > > (abc) and KWCH 12 (cbs) will shut down the digital signals which=20 > > they broadcast on UHF channels, and move the digital signal to=20 the=20 > > VHF channel where the analog signal has been. In the case of our=20 UHF=20 > > stations, channels 24, 33 & 36, they will each make a permanent=20 move=20 > > to the digital channel they operate during the transition=20 period,=20 > > meaning 24 moves to 26, 33 moves to 31 and 36 moves to=20 > >=20 35. = =20 > > = =20 > > This seems to be the trend across the entire country, with some=20 > > exceptions of course, for low-band VHF stations and also UHF=20 > > stations to make a permanent move to their transitional channel,=20 but=20 > > for high-band VHF stations to move their digital signal to the=20 spot=20 > > formerly occupied by the analog=20 > >=20 signal. = =20 >=20 > = =20 =20=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > > > > > In a current article reviewing DVD Players, Consumer Reports=20 makes=20 > > the > > > following statement: "The familiar analog VHF and UHF=20 channels=20 > > are slated > > > to disappear probably in early 2009. The network and local=20 > > stations that > > > occupied them will then broadcast digitally from another part=20 of=20 > > the > > > frequency spectrum...." > > >=20 > > > I realize that TV signals will be digital, and analog sets=20 will=20 > > not receive > > > them without a converter box. That is not my question.=20=20 > > >=20 > > > My question has to do with the VHF & UHF channels themselves.=20=20 Will > > > stations be abandoning their current channels permanently?=20=20 Since=20 > > VHF > > > channels are considered superior to UHF channels in terms of=20 > > geographic > > > coverage, I would think that the industry would have resisted=20 any > > > reassignment of channels to a spectrum that offered poorer=20 > > geographic > > > coverage, particularly where the station would be giving up a=20 > > coveted VHF > > > channel. Is my understanding in error? > > >=20 > > > Thanks, > > > Dick W. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >=20=20 > > > > > From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sat Feb 04 08:38:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54330 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2006 16:38:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2006 16:38:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2006 16:38:41 -0000 Received: from [4.247.120.69] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F5QQg-0000L1-3P for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:38:31 -0500 Message-ID: <380-22006264163838218@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.115.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:38:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc8b98cbf1b0b40261abd7fd68a2e645e5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Current TV Channels Obsolete? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=thCMfzYwp8iGkl59-zx0P3i_eshWuqXYsMR0Sd-ncTy4Lw That's very interesting. I was under the impression from remarks made by Tom Ray and others that digital was less susceptible to such interferences than analog was. Obviously it's very complicated. I remember several years ago, a commercial station here in Tampa (Channel 44) tried to talk one of our public stations (Channel 3) into switching channels with them, and offered a huge cash bonus as an incentive. However, the public station turned them down because they didn't want to give up their covereage area. Of course, this was all analog TV. Thanks for the info - Dick > [Original Message] > From: Jeff > To: > Date: 2/4/2006 11:22:13 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Current TV Channels Obsolete? > > Because low-band VHF is more susceptible to interference of both the > natural and man-made varieties (lightning, power lines, engine > ignition), not to mention co-channel, there is a greater tendency > toward picture freeze-ups and cutting out of the audio when > broadcasting digitally on low-band VHF > channels. > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" > wrote: > > > > Thanks, Jeff. But why would a low-band VHF station give up its > low-band > > channel for a UHF channel? Isn't that like handing someone a $10 > bill and > > asking for a $5 bill in its place? For instance, in the case of > KSNW, > > wouldn't channel 3 be far more desirable than channel 45? > > Dick W. > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: Jeff > > > To: > > > Date: 2/4/2006 8:43:27 AM > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Current TV Channels Obsolete? > > > > > > Hi, Dick: Most of the TV stations get to decide for themselves > which > > > channel they will use when the digital TV transition period is > > > complete. In my market, Wichita, Kansas for example, KSNW 3 > (nbc) > > > will make a permanent move to channel 45; KPTS 8 (pbs), KAKE 10 > > > (abc) and KWCH 12 (cbs) will shut down the digital signals which > > > they broadcast on UHF channels, and move the digital signal to > the > > > VHF channel where the analog signal has been. In the case of our > UHF > > > stations, channels 24, 33 & 36, they will each make a permanent > move > > > to the digital channel they operate during the transition > period, > > > meaning 24 moves to 26, 33 moves to 31 and 36 moves to > > > > 35. > > > > > > This seems to be the trend across the entire country, with some > > > exceptions of course, for low-band VHF stations and also UHF > > > stations to make a permanent move to their transitional channel, > but > > > for high-band VHF stations to move their digital signal to the > spot > > > formerly occupied by the analog > > > > signal. > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > > > > > > > In a current article reviewing DVD Players, Consumer Reports > makes > > > the > > > > following statement: "The familiar analog VHF and UHF > channels > > > are slated > > > > to disappear probably in early 2009. The network and local > > > stations that > > > > occupied them will then broadcast digitally from another part > of > > > the > > > > frequency spectrum...." > > > > > > > > I realize that TV signals will be digital, and analog sets > will > > > not receive > > > > them without a converter box. That is not my question. > > > > > > > > My question has to do with the VHF & UHF channels themselves. > Will > > > > stations be abandoning their current channels permanently? > Since > > > VHF > > > > channels are considered superior to UHF channels in terms of > > > geographic > > > > coverage, I would think that the industry would have resisted > any > > > > reassignment of channels to a spectrum that offered poorer > > > geographic > > > > coverage, particularly where the station would be giving up a > > > coveted VHF > > > > channel. Is my understanding in error? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dick W. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From starship_2001@msn.com Sat Feb 04 09:58:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50135 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2006 17:58:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2006 17:58:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.88) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2006 17:58:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:58:07 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.11 by BAY106-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 17:58:06 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 17:58:05 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2006 17:58:07.0307 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D9879B0:01C629B4] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Current TV Channels 2ND QUESTION X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=HnKWGNauvIWlJfO003iLzwIYE8eqTejF1KCMnTr7I_cQqpRokJAuEEn02A X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What channels are being auctioned / reassigned for other uses ??? I'm getting the impression its the higher UHF channels ??? -----Original Message----- From: Dick W Sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:38:38 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Current TV Channels Obsolete? That's very interesting. I was under the impression from remarks made by Tom Ray and others that digital was less susceptible to such interferences than analog was. Obviously it's very complicated. I remember several years ago, a commercial station here in Tampa (Channel 44) tried to talk one of our public stations (Channel 3) into switching channels with them, and offered a huge cash bonus as an incentive. However, the public station turned them down because they didn't want to give up their covereage area. Of course, this was all analog TV. Thanks for the info - Dick > [Original Message] > From: Jeff > To: > Date: 2/4/2006 11:22:13 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Current TV Channels Obsolete? > > Because low-band VHF is more susceptible to interference of both the > natural and man-made varieties (lightning, power lines, engine > ignition), not to mention co-channel, there is a greater tendency > toward picture freeze-ups and cutting out of the audio when > broadcasting digitally on low-band VHF > channels. > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" > wrote: > > > > Thanks, Jeff. But why would a low-band VHF station give up its > low-band > > channel for a UHF channel? Isn't that like handing someone a $10 > bill and > > asking for a $5 bill in its place? For instance, in the case of > KSNW, > > wouldn't channel 3 be far more desirable than channel 45? > > Dick W. > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: Jeff > > > To: > > > Date: 2/4/2006 8:43:27 AM > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Current TV Channels Obsolete? > > > > > > Hi, Dick: Most of the TV stations get to decide for themselves > which > > > channel they will use when the digital TV transition period is > > > complete. In my market, Wichita, Kansas for example, KSNW 3 > (nbc) > > > will make a permanent move to channel 45; KPTS 8 (pbs), KAKE 10 > > > (abc) and KWCH 12 (cbs) will shut down the digital signals which > > > they broadcast on UHF channels, and move the digital signal to > the > > > VHF channel where the analog signal has been. In the case of our > UHF > > > stations, channels 24, 33 & 36, they will each make a permanent > move > > > to the digital channel they operate during the transition > period, > > > meaning 24 moves to 26, 33 moves to 31 and 36 moves to > > > > 35. > > > > > > This seems to be the trend across the entire country, with some > > > exceptions of course, for low-band VHF stations and also UHF > > > stations to make a permanent move to their transitional channel, > but > > > for high-band VHF stations to move their digital signal to the > spot > > > formerly occupied by the analog > > > > signal. > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > > > > > > > In a current article reviewing DVD Players, Consumer Reports > makes > > > the > > > > following statement: "The familiar analog VHF and UHF > channels > > > are slated > > > > to disappear probably in early 2009. The network and local > > > stations that > > > > occupied them will then broadcast digitally from another part > of > > > the > > > > frequency spectrum...." > > > > > > > > I realize that TV signals will be digital, and analog sets > will > > > not receive > > > > them without a converter box. That is not my question. > > > > > > > > My question has to do with the VHF & UHF channels themselves. > Will > > > > stations be abandoning their current channels permanently? > Since > > > VHF > > > > channels are considered superior to UHF channels in terms of > > > geographic > > > > coverage, I would think that the industry would have resisted > any > > > > reassignment of channels to a spectrum that offered poorer > > > geographic > > > > coverage, particularly where the station would be giving up a > > > coveted VHF > > > > channel. Is my understanding in error? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dick W. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 04 10:14:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 214 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2006 18:14:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2006 18:14:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2006 18:14:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2006 18:13:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2006 18:13:30 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 18:13:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.149.215.172 From: "Jeff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Current TV Channels 2ND QUESTION X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=236606698; y=QQvYIBnzzdbwnydE5tqLv4RC1gvxhQ-gfzfv5eof_V6sDwiQ56BlmFdTU3_bliXAm5k X-Yahoo-Profile: jeff7472000 Actually, channels 52 thru 69 are being reassigned for other uses;=20 Here in Wichita, we had low-power UHF stations on channels 53, 55,=20 59 and 61. 53 moved to 49, 55 moved to 5, 59 moved to 28 and 61=20 moved to=20 40. = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 - -- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Norbert 26"=20 wrote: > > What channels are being auctioned / reassigned for other uses ???=20 I'm getting the impression its the higher UHF channels ??? >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Dick W > Sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:38:38 -0800 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Current TV Channels Obsolete? >=20 > That's very interesting. I was under the impression from remarks=20 made by > Tom Ray and others that digital was less susceptible to such=20 interferences > than analog was. Obviously it's very complicated. >=20 > I remember several years ago, a commercial station here in Tampa=20 (Channel > 44) tried to talk one of our public stations (Channel 3) into=20 switching > channels with them, and offered a huge cash bonus as an incentive.=20 > However, the public station turned them down because they didn't=20 want to > give up their covereage area. Of course, this was all analog TV. >=20 > Thanks for the info - > Dick >=20 >=20 > > [Original Message] > > From: Jeff > > To: > > Date: 2/4/2006 11:22:13 AM > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Current TV Channels Obsolete? > > > > Because low-band VHF is more susceptible to interference of both=20 the=20 > > natural and man-made varieties (lightning, power lines, engine=20 > > ignition), not to mention co-channel, there is a greater=20 tendency=20 > > toward picture freeze-ups and cutting out of the audio when=20 > > broadcasting digitally on low-band VHF=20 > >=20 channels. = =20 >=20 > = =20 =20=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" =20 > > wrote: > > > > > > Thanks, Jeff. But why would a low-band VHF station give up=20 its=20 > > low-band > > > channel for a UHF channel? Isn't that like handing someone a=20 $10=20 > > bill and > > > asking for a $5 bill in its place? For instance, in the case=20 of=20 > > KSNW, > > > wouldn't channel 3 be far more desirable than channel 45? > > > Dick W. > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > > [Original Message] > > > > From: Jeff > > > > To: > > > > Date: 2/4/2006 8:43:27 AM > > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Current TV Channels Obsolete? > > > > > > > > Hi, Dick: Most of the TV stations get to decide for=20 themselves=20 > > which=20 > > > > channel they will use when the digital TV transition period=20 is=20 > > > > complete. In my market, Wichita, Kansas for example, KSNW 3=20 > > (nbc)=20 > > > > will make a permanent move to channel 45; KPTS 8 (pbs), KAKE=20 10=20 > > > > (abc) and KWCH 12 (cbs) will shut down the digital signals=20 which=20 > > > > they broadcast on UHF channels, and move the digital signal=20 to=20 > > the=20 > > > > VHF channel where the analog signal has been. In the case of=20 our=20 > > UHF=20 > > > > stations, channels 24, 33 & 36, they will each make a=20 permanent=20 > > move=20 > > > > to the digital channel they operate during the transition=20 > > period,=20 > > > > meaning 24 moves to 26, 33 moves to 31 and 36 moves to=20 > > > >=20 > >=20 35. = =20 > > >=20 > = =20 > > > > This seems to be the trend across the entire country, with=20 some=20 > > > > exceptions of course, for low-band VHF stations and also UHF=20 > > > > stations to make a permanent move to their transitional=20 channel,=20 > > but=20 > > > > for high-band VHF stations to move their digital signal to=20 the=20 > > spot=20 > > > > formerly occupied by the analog=20 > > > >=20 > >=20 signal. = =20 > > >=20 > >=20 > = =20 > >=20=20=20 > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" =20 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In a current article reviewing DVD Players, Consumer=20 Reports=20 > > makes=20 > > > > the > > > > > following statement: "The familiar analog VHF and UHF=20 > > channels=20 > > > > are slated > > > > > to disappear probably in early 2009. The network and=20 local=20 > > > > stations that > > > > > occupied them will then broadcast digitally from another=20 part=20 > > of=20 > > > > the > > > > > frequency spectrum...." > > > > >=20 > > > > > I realize that TV signals will be digital, and analog sets=20 > > will=20 > > > > not receive > > > > > them without a converter box. That is not my question.=20=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > My question has to do with the VHF & UHF channels=20 themselves.=20=20 > > Will > > > > > stations be abandoning their current channels=20 permanently?=20=20 > > Since=20 > > > > VHF > > > > > channels are considered superior to UHF channels in terms=20 of=20 > > > > geographic > > > > > coverage, I would think that the industry would have=20 resisted=20 > > any > > > > > reassignment of channels to a spectrum that offered poorer=20 > > > > geographic > > > > > coverage, particularly where the station would be giving=20 up a=20 > > > > coveted VHF > > > > > channel. Is my understanding in error? > > > > >=20 > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Dick W. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >=20=20 > > > >=20=20 > > > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > Yahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Feb 04 13:19:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65926 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2006 21:19:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2006 21:19:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao09.cox.net) (68.230.241.30) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2006 21:19:25 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060204211928.SXVQ25099.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:19:28 -0500 In-Reply-To: <380-22006264121116453@earthlink.net> References: <380-22006264121116453@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:19:23 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Current TV Channels Obsolete? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=k1zVSpAkb_s1J-P2v0rWE3EEt8YAmLlDYbNJ8HBSvjQEJNTHJebA4T1dWFyX X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've always heard that VHF is better than UHF; I've always gotten better reception -- even long distance -- from UHF on my own TVs. On Feb 4, 2006, at 4:11 AM, Dick W wrote: > In a current article reviewing DVD Players, Consumer Reports makes the > following statement: "The familiar analog VHF and UHF channels are > slated > to disappear probably in early 2009. The network and local > stations that > occupied them will then broadcast digitally from another part of the > frequency spectrum...." > > I realize that TV signals will be digital, and analog sets will not > receive > them without a converter box. That is not my question. > > My question has to do with the VHF & UHF channels themselves. Will > stations be abandoning their current channels permanently? Since VHF > channels are considered superior to UHF channels in terms of > geographic > coverage, I would think that the industry would have resisted any > reassignment of channels to a spectrum that offered poorer geographic > coverage, particularly where the station would be giving up a > coveted VHF > channel. Is my understanding in error? > > Thanks, > Dick W. > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Stereo High performance Digital radio > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sat Feb 04 13:47:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81531 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2006 21:47:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2006 21:47:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2006 21:47:41 -0000 Received: from [4.247.209.200] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F5VFr-00063h-0c for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 16:47:39 -0500 Message-ID: <380-22006264214755171@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.115.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:47:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc9989ed098f1e3ef4ca6f70a4d77caf11350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Current TV Channels Obsolete? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=INU4C2JaKhdB7psyL4eALo32Lu_wBeMWM95h29T-KteT3Q That's probably true, but if you check the power of the various stations, you'll probably find that the UHF stations are having to operate with higher power to equal the coverage of the VHF stations. Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Richard Wagoner > To: > Date: 2/4/2006 4:19:27 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Current TV Channels Obsolete? > > I've always heard that VHF is better than UHF; I've always gotten > better reception -- even long distance -- from UHF on my own TVs. > > On Feb 4, 2006, at 4:11 AM, Dick W wrote: > > > In a current article reviewing DVD Players, Consumer Reports makes the > > following statement: "The familiar analog VHF and UHF channels are > > slated > > to disappear probably in early 2009. The network and local > > stations that > > occupied them will then broadcast digitally from another part of the > > frequency spectrum...." > > > > I realize that TV signals will be digital, and analog sets will not > > receive > > them without a converter box. That is not my question. > > > > My question has to do with the VHF & UHF channels themselves. Will > > stations be abandoning their current channels permanently? Since VHF > > channels are considered superior to UHF channels in terms of > > geographic > > coverage, I would think that the industry would have resisted any > > reassignment of channels to a spectrum that offered poorer geographic > > coverage, particularly where the station would be giving up a > > coveted VHF > > channel. Is my understanding in error? > > > > Thanks, > > Dick W. > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > Stereo High performance Digital radio > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From tomray@wor710.com Sat Feb 04 14:09:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47356 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2006 22:09:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2006 22:09:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.224) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2006 22:09:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n4.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2006 22:09:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2006 22:09:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2006 22:09:27 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 22:09:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <380-22006264163838218@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: OT Current TV Channels Obsolete? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=n0O1LsVN_YwESjp29NHEmJwYGguYQhkNgYNYoA2cBAzymg7S X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > That's very interesting. I was under the impression from remarks made by > Tom Ray and others that digital was less susceptible to such interferences > than analog was. Obviously it's very complicated. Dick: My remarks are made in reference to HD Radio. HDTV is a completely different animal using a very different modulation technique. Apples and oranges. Tom Ray WOR From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sat Feb 04 16:58:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93941 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 00:58:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2006 00:58:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 00:58:01 -0000 Received: from [4.247.212.211] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F5YDl-0001MN-6C for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 19:57:41 -0500 Message-ID: <380-2200620505749343@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.115.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:57:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc767d1e52ac442c86ca60095b0e550d57350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: OT Current TV Channels Obsolete? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=i_svm7nym3svJgztXmiMe5yetIJm3p1IpwMlGwp1n1mPbQ Thanks, Tom. Dick > [Original Message] > From: Tom Ray > To: > Date: 2/4/2006 5:09:31 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Current TV Channels Obsolete? > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > > > That's very interesting. I was under the impression from remarks > made by > > Tom Ray and others that digital was less susceptible to such > interferences > > than analog was. Obviously it's very complicated. > > > Dick: > > My remarks are made in reference to HD Radio. HDTV is a completely > different animal using a very different modulation technique. Apples > and oranges. > > Tom Ray > WOR > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From jimbo@burgan.net Sat Feb 04 17:26:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70367 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 01:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2006 01:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm43.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.74) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 01:26:03 -0000 Received: from pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (pimout1-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.65]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k151P5an007740 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:25:05 -0500 X-ORBL: [68.22.243.193] Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-193.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.193]) by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id k151Ovp7098552 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:25:02 -0500 Message-ID: <001501c629f2$fc6d3e00$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <380-22006264121116453@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:24:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0606-0, 02/04/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Current TV Channels Obsolete? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=SA3FbNqwwstYhYGHjKLCfbmUAlabmy9GSKoC5wVQl8u-TVg X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > I've always heard that VHF is better than UHF; I've always gotten > better reception -- even long distance -- from UHF on my own TVs. In order to have the same coverage as a VHF channel, you need about 10+ times the power on a UHF channel. Before they started licensing digital and low power TV stations, most VHF TV station transmitted with about 300,000 watts on their FM video carrier. To achieve the same coverage on UHF, most UHF stations transmitted with 5,000,000 watts. Examples (pre-digital) VHF-Low WESH Channel 2 Orlando 100,000 watts at 1653 feet WKMG Channel 6 Orlando 100,000 watts at 1460 feet WFOR Channel 4 Miami 100,000 watts at 997 feet VHF-High WFLA Channel 8 Tampa 316,000 watts at 1545 feet WFTV Channel 9 Orlando 316,000 watts at 1571 feet WTVT Channel 13 Tampa 316,000 watts at 1420 feet UHF WRDQ Channel 27 Orlando 5,000,000 watts at 1866 feet WRBW Channel 65 Orlando 5,000,000 watts at 1610 feet WVEN Channel 26 Orlando 5,000,000 watts at 997 feet WTOG Channel 44 Tampa 5,000,000 watts at 1490 feet Digital TV channels don't have nearly the power their analog counterparts have, thus their coverage maps are probably not as good, but that is only speculation since I don't know how much signal it takes to provide a digital picture. Apology if this lengthy OT post offends.. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Feb 04 18:07:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57228 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 02:07:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2006 02:07:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.68) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 02:07:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 18844 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Feb 2006 02:07:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20060205020717.18842.qmail@web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.101] by web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 18:07:17 PST Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:07:17 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: HD Receptor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=DWcR2oWZzqnpO6qYjM_JO9hWjmjBxG-BSVWsCQz4jZU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > Something must not have been right with that radio. > I have mine in my > office, where I get whistles and hums on the WOR > signal, and it locks > to the HD signal every time. > Tom Ray > WOR Boston Acoustics is having some serious quality control problems with the first HD Receptor models. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Feb 04 18:10:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46155 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 02:10:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2006 02:10:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.215) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 02:10:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 74795 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Feb 2006 02:10:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20060205021012.74793.qmail@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.101] by web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 18:10:12 PST Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:10:12 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <380-220062641517331@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Current TV Channels Obsolete? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=TuvBiMRJ7VK_kovk1a34izhH9p1AiecgWlIOOT0rxJY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Dick W wrote: > Thanks, Jeff. But why would a low-band VHF station > give up its low-band > channel for a UHF channel? Isn't that like handing > someone a $10 bill and > asking for a $5 bill in its place? For instance, in > the case of KSNW, > wouldn't channel 3 be far more desirable than > channel 45? > Dick W. No, because if there's ANY E-s skip your HDTV delivers a blue screen. The very few that have HDTV channel 2 allocations are NOT happy. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Feb 04 18:11:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14936 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 02:11:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2006 02:11:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30011.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.214) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 02:11:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 44793 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Feb 2006 02:11:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20060205021121.44791.qmail@web30011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.101] by web30011.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 18:11:21 PST Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:11:21 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Current TV Channels 2ND QUESTION X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=xyAxKuHP5jPW7J90tz5srk3yictLPqsHfJfhKnmn57Y X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Norbert 26 wrote: > What channels are being auctioned / reassigned for > other uses ??? I'm getting the impression its the > higher UHF channels ??? The new TV band stops at 51. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Feb 04 18:22:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62936 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 02:22:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2006 02:22:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao07.cox.net) (68.230.241.32) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 02:22:23 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060205022122.CJPE3131.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:21:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060205021121.44791.qmail@web30011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060205021121.44791.qmail@web30011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <36C66DC1-A2B9-44B9-B91A-CC8BE26809E6@cox.net> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:22:22 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Current TV Channels 2ND QUESTION X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=bGSXvL8qopBahRz_3_5PUKfIhlNQYyYLM5_obGmGeu8t5pVp_2bzJ-Q9sdyp X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So Channel 56 in Orange County, CA has to move? On Feb 4, 2006, at 6:11 PM, Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > > --- Norbert 26 wrote: > > > What channels are being auctioned / reassigned for > > other uses ??? I'm getting the impression its the > > higher UHF channels ??? > > The new TV band stops at 51. > > Powell > > w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com > NNNN! > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Stereo High performance Digital radio > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 04 18:51:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65870 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 02:51:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2006 02:51:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 02:51:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2006 02:51:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2006 02:51:52 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 02:51:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <36C66DC1-A2B9-44B9-B91A-CC8BE26809E6@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.149.215.172 From: "Jeff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Current TV Channels 2ND QUESTION X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=236606698; y=D5KIDg3hrnSG3jHgQb6IUUoTC1xxiwMAfMN-jbcdpMnYjHoH2Ooznew321iBdfzAkCI X-Yahoo-Profile: jeff7472000 From what I'm seeing on the FCC web site, channel 56 has been=20 assigned channel 32 for their digital=20 signal. = =20 = =20 = =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner=20 wrote: > > So Channel 56 in Orange County, CA has to move? >=20 > On Feb 4, 2006, at 6:11 PM, Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: >=20 > > > > > > --- Norbert 26 wrote: > > > > > What channels are being auctioned / reassigned for > > > other uses ??? I'm getting the impression its the > > > higher UHF channels ??? > > > > The new TV band stops at 51. > > > > Powell > > > > w4opw@... > > NNNN! > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > Stereo High performance Digital radio > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of=20 Service. > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sun Feb 05 05:26:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28220 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 13:26:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2006 13:26:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 13:26:04 -0000 Received: from [4.247.123.20] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F5jtx-00076G-2z for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:26:01 -0500 Message-ID: <380-22006205132610703@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.115.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 08:26:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc197db159d0f70b850d1331308176fb82350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Current TV Channels Obsolete? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=dU2W9KWxLBO42OrkP9hTl2Tri5fIq5C6o55Y5XXGv31FtA Thanks - very interesting post! Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Jim Burgan > To: > Date: 2/4/2006 8:26:04 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Current TV Channels Obsolete? > > > > > I've always heard that VHF is better than UHF; I've always gotten > > better reception -- even long distance -- from UHF on my own TVs. > > In order to have the same coverage as a VHF channel, you need about 10+ > times the power on a UHF channel. > Before they started licensing digital and low power TV stations, most VHF TV > station transmitted with about 300,000 watts on their FM video carrier. > To achieve the same coverage on UHF, most UHF stations transmitted with > 5,000,000 watts. > Examples (pre-digital) > > VHF-Low > WESH Channel 2 Orlando 100,000 watts at 1653 feet > WKMG Channel 6 Orlando 100,000 watts at 1460 feet > WFOR Channel 4 Miami 100,000 watts at 997 feet > > VHF-High > WFLA Channel 8 Tampa 316,000 watts at 1545 feet > WFTV Channel 9 Orlando 316,000 watts at 1571 feet > WTVT Channel 13 Tampa 316,000 watts at 1420 feet > > UHF > WRDQ Channel 27 Orlando 5,000,000 watts at 1866 feet > WRBW Channel 65 Orlando 5,000,000 watts at 1610 feet > WVEN Channel 26 Orlando 5,000,000 watts at 997 feet > WTOG Channel 44 Tampa 5,000,000 watts at 1490 feet > > Digital TV channels don't have nearly the power their analog counterparts > have, thus their coverage maps are probably not as good, but that is only > speculation since I don't know how much signal it takes to provide a digital > picture. > > Apology if this lengthy OT post offends.. > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From tomray@wor710.com Sun Feb 05 07:11:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30499 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 15:11:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2006 15:11:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 15:11:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2006 15:11:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2006 15:11:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 15:11:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060205020717.18842.qmail@web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: HD Receptor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=vgrlrWrA4gbBCQMx8Dnks4BzaV9ykjh-bgrW2ti_hvDJOK0l X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: >=20 > Boston Acoustics is having some serious quality > control problems with the first HD Receptor models. >=20 >=20 > Powell I had to reboot the one in my office Thursday. No audio....just a motorboat sound. I though I'd have to change the bypass capacitor under the first audio tube! Tom Ray WOR From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Feb 05 09:07:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78218 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 17:07:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2006 17:07:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 17:07:42 -0000 Received: from fl-71-54-181-197.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.54.181.197] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F5nM4-0002ar-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:07:16 -0500 Message-ID: <01ea01c62a76$9dce0530$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060205021012.74793.qmail@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:07:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Current TV Channels Obsolete? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=f9dv4oSwP59lE86Nv9UjR-bR-LiQTO1hdOEeovQa9KUegCPgjeq29sqYeM6xqA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > if there's ANY E-s skip your HDTV delivers a blue screen. The very few > that have HDTV channel 2 allocations are NOT happy. This depends on the HDTV tuner. The DirecTV model H10 off-air HD tuner does not blue screen, the picture will just break up into random square blocks of color then pop right back to normal. Here in Central Florida, with a Winegard Sensar antenna mounted up in a tall Southern Pine tree, I can get HDTV and NTSC signals from several TV markets. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From wa2fnq@optonline.net Sun Feb 05 09:39:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84286 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 17:39:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2006 17:39:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 17:39:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2006 17:39:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2006 17:39:15 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:39:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: HD Receptor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=W4gNDib8ZcuWHEtdQWbmj-3BuPHYdiKl9nq-3ucIX6Nx X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq I also saw the B.A. radio at Radio Systems. I think it may have had=20 an I.F. alignment problem too because at one point it made some=20 really neat "old time" radio squeals. Not exactly the unit you'd=20 want to have at a demo. It probably had problems but how many early=20 models of equipment have we seen that have bugs in them?? That's a=20 pretty long list in my book. Jerry --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > wrote: >=20 > >=20 > > Boston Acoustics is having some serious quality > > control problems with the first HD Receptor models. > >=20 > >=20 > > Powell >=20 >=20 > I had to reboot the one in my office Thursday. No audio....just a > motorboat sound. I though I'd have to change the bypass capacitor > under the first audio tube! >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > From jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 05 11:38:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93497 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 19:38:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2006 19:38:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.85) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 19:38:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2006 13:42:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2006 19:38:15 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 19:38:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.149.215.172 From: "Jeff" Subject: Re: HD Receptor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=236606698; y=tvMeMgQLS7oMuV1fvQFy6vsP0qyWhaZWSYwWjjgBoBWUpyaqa_nvIGrj3kxl2PiLVu8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeff7472000 Is yours one of those transformerless sets with series-strung tube=20 filaments? = =20 = =20 = =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > wrote: >=20 > >=20 > > Boston Acoustics is having some serious quality > > control problems with the first HD Receptor models. > >=20 > >=20 > > Powell >=20 >=20 > I had to reboot the one in my office Thursday. No audio....just a > motorboat sound. I though I'd have to change the bypass capacitor > under the first audio tube! >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Feb 05 14:23:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+rm0z+44+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29256 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 22:23:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2006 22:23:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 22:23:24 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.205]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 50494828 for ; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:23:21 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c62aa3$afe39000$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <380-22006264121116453@earthlink.net> <001501c629f2$fc6d3e00$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:29:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.212.205 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Current TV Channels Obsolete? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=pYwxn3dVaho4IfCyrIbdaeU-NZNjo2KxUu1Khn7VxVZlotBax0y- X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Video is AM- vestigal sideband. Aural is FM with up to 20%TPO of the video signal since that gives approximately equal coverage of pix and sound. Some real high power U's tried running only 5% aural to save on power, but found the aural was gone before the picture. 10% is about as low as you want to go. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Burgan" > Before they started licensing digital and low power TV stations, most VHF TV > station transmitted with about 300,000 watts on their FM video carrier. From jimbo@burgan.net Sun Feb 05 20:22:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1737 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2006 04:22:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2006 04:22:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm29.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.60) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 04:22:05 -0000 Received: from pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (pimout3-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.218]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k164Llri003649 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 23:21:47 -0500 X-ORBL: [68.22.243.193] Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-193.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.193]) by pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id k164Lts6056230 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 23:21:59 -0500 Message-ID: <001001c62ad4$df2c65e0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <380-22006264121116453@earthlink.net> <001501c629f2$fc6d3e00$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> <003301c62aa3$afe39000$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 23:21:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0606-0, 02/04/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Current TV Channels Obsolete? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=452IKAODLbf3YFogAVTYdGpCXMJfPipVkAcMEIyxCjMqHTw X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Video is AM- vestigal sideband. Aural is FM with up to 20%TPO of the > video > signal since that gives approximately equal coverage of pix and sound. > Some > real high power U's tried running only 5% aural to save on power, but > found > the aural was gone before the picture. 10% is about as low as you want to > go. You're right Scott... I had it backwards... You can punch up the channel 6 audio FM carrier at 88.1 on any FM radio. Dummy me... From bossmsx@gmail.com Sun Feb 05 20:55:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10555 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2006 04:55:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2006 04:55:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.221) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 04:55:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2006 04:52:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2006 04:52:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2006 04:52:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 04:52:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.149.67.50 From: "Anthony" Subject: Re: HD Receptor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=225799755; y=6R1JccL-kZPPWhgE9Ib2ih15QSKeDSvRb_ktgWo6LkcQpf8kbiL1 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiosanchez > I had to reboot the one in my office Thursday. No audio....just a > motorboat sound.=20=20 The "motorboat" seems to be a common issue..You're not the first=20 one...Mine does that as well..The strange thing is, it did it not in HD=20 mode, but just in "AUX". Here's what's interesting: the Recepter introduces a delay in the audio=20 when the radio is in any source, not just HD....Even Analog AM or=20 FM....I had an analog radio tuned to an analog FM station, and the=20 Recepter as well, and they were both about a half a second off in=20 audio. I have my laptop plugged into the "AUX", with a "Y" that has a=20 pair of headphones on the other end, and the same thing....A delay in=20 the audio...Not sure why that is necessary but I suspect=20 the "motorboating" occurs there. At any rate, the Boston radio has=20 been much better than the Yamaha home tuner I paid over $1000 for...I=20 went through two of those, and neither worked.=20=20 --Tony/Miami From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Feb 06 08:53:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44077 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2006 16:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2006 16:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.152) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 16:53:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 77415 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Feb 2006 16:53:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20060206165305.77413.qmail@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 08:53:05 PST Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:53:05 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1139240478.2262.34913.m17@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: HD (non-)Receptor Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=-aeIkr_oJ-rZZ7ZmCqNLHB3bw17rLOQ4oaQD5PU_kYnfVB_Nj6dZ7fI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Is the 1/2 second analog delay in the Boston Acoustics a result of some 'fancy DSP' signal conditioning and noise blanking circuitry in the Receptor radio? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tomray@wor710.com Mon Feb 06 09:49:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65647 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2006 17:49:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2006 17:49:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 17:49:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2006 11:53:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2006 17:49:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:49:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: HD Receptor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=eX44HS-F6WCOMJhuXD6IrAWUQ1LNYd9NNq6UqhOdXboEB709 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > The "motorboat" seems to be a common issue..You're not the first=20 > one...Mine does that as well..The strange thing is, it did it not in HD=20 > mode, but just in "AUX". >=20 > Here's what's interesting: the Recepter introduces a delay in the audio=20 > when the radio is in any source, not just HD....Even Analog AM or=20 > FM....I had an analog radio tuned to an analog FM station, and the=20 > Recepter as well, and they were both about a half a second off in=20 > audio. I have my laptop plugged into the "AUX", with a "Y" that has a=20 > pair of headphones on the other end, and the same thing....A delay in=20 > the audio...Not sure why that is necessary but I suspect=20 > the "motorboating" occurs there.=20=20 [TR] I would agree. Sounds like they have some DSP going on regardless of the audio input, and that is introducing a delay. The motorboating is probably some wierd digital feedback loop that develops because of a bug in the code. At any rate, the Boston radio has=20 > been much better than the Yamaha home tuner I paid over $1000 for...I=20 > went through two of those, and neither worked.=20=20 [TR] I found the Yamaha to be very touchy. We gave one away at a remote. I brought a field strength meter, measured the field as over 100mV at that location, very clean signal, and aimed the Yamaha's antenna at the transmitter per the FIM. It was having issues. I couldn't believe that, in a field of 100mV, with no noticable interference present, that it had trouble locking on the signal.=20 Radio in my car locked and was solid as a rock. Tom Ray WOR From w6yn@juno.com Mon Feb 06 11:28:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50181 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2006 19:28:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2006 19:28:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 19:28:37 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB8RJ43AXKZVVS for (sender ); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:28:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LGJ4EAS8; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:27:44 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:27:27 -0800 Message-ID: <20060206.112729.1464.6.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ContentStamp: 1:1:2372270364 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLECBTTDWbPTe6Qizk67bA2Q= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: ABC to announce sale of its radio stations today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=Z8tTtfwuAdvCSmv_NDem8sz9JN2EkxRbv7iARo3Ozw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Disney/ABC to announce sale of its radio stations at 1PM (PT) today. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 06 15:43:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91200 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2006 23:43:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2006 23:43:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.86) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 23:43:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2006 17:45:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2006 23:42:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 23:42:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.248.12 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Farewell, KB-1520 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=YbtYYFIQprwh7b4hTkxXA_n-kqmoIPhC3T-srf2aG_6axMrJ2w X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics After three years with an Oldies format, today at 3:00pm 1520 WWKB in=20 Buffalo, NY switched to a Progressive Talk format. This sudden and=20 unannounced format flip is thought to be Entercom's competitive move=20 against Citadel, which recently announced plans to flip one of their=20 own AM stations in Buffalo to a Progressive Talk format. The Oldies format on KB-1520 never really caught fire in the local=20 ratings, but for nighttime listeners across the Northeast USA and=20 Canada, it was a real treat to hear great music and personalities=20 over one of the strongest skywave signals on the band. Three MP3 airchecks of WWKB's first night of the Oldies format (in=20 January 2003) can be found in the "upload-here-please" directory of=20 this server: http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/files/ams.php From w6yn@juno.com Mon Feb 06 23:59:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20729 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2006 07:59:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2006 07:59:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2006 07:59:30 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB8SWZ4A5KAN5A for (sender ); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 23:57:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LGLFAR8F; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 23:57:18 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 23:57:01 -0800 Message-ID: <20060206.235701.1464.15.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-5,9-12 X-ContentStamp: 3:5:4258638140 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLPiKF0hl0JUG89fdBfCMdRI= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: 66 AM stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=tCELGNPVWrNDDf1YQkaJ5k797wJd7fnQqZSuPox6Jg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn ABC radio to be Citadel Communications The Walt Disney Co. said it will merge its ABC Radio network and 22 stations with Citadel Broadcasting Corp. (CDL) in a deal valued at $2.7 billion. Disney and Citadel will form a new company to be called Citadel Communications. Disney shareholders will own approximately 52 percent of the combined entity with Citadel shareholders owning the rest, the companies said Monday. The deal does not includes Disney's ESPN and Radio Disney network. The transaction gives Citadel 177 FM stations and 66 AM stations in the country's top markets, making it the nation's third largest radio group. From radio603@malmo2.net Tue Feb 07 03:57:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio603@malmo2.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53343 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2006 11:57:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2006 11:57:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.bredband2.net) (82.209.166.4) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2006 11:57:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 16922 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2006 11:58:49 -0000 Received: from mkb-145-45-209-82.3.cust.bredband2.com (HELO malmoe) ([82.209.145.45]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.bredband2.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Feb 2006 11:58:49 -0000 Message-ID: <011201c62bdd$97dfc830$2d91d152@malmoe> To: Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:56:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 82.209.166.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Roy" Subject: Fw: Fw: Very Important...do you know her? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=195882801; y=sKv0_JUnhOhwKtzNdxnpVmm_mAH4Ku5Q9JOVg0CIFeOZOUU X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fwd: Fw: Very Important...do you know her? ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Rusling To: hakan.widenstedt@teracom.se Cc: svennam@c2i.net ; radio603@malmo2.net ; marek@marek.se ; ligander@telia.com ; Rod Buckle Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 9:52 PM Subject: Fwd: Fw: Very Important...do you know her? 3 February 2006 Hej Hakan Former Radio Caroline North DJ UGLI RAY TERET just sent me the email below I know a lot of Swedish people were lost in the Asian Tsunami last year - this girl looks more Scandinavian than British. Has her picture been circulated in media there? She may be someone's daughter from Sweden, or Norway. I'm sending this to a lot of my Swedish and Danish and Norwegian friends and contacts, maybe you would like to as well? Best regards Paul Rusling PS. Irma Thomas went back to her home just east of New Orleans a fortnight ago. On Tuesday night they got the windows blown out by a twister. Those poor people don't seem to have any luck of late do they?! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Real-To: From: "Ray t" To: Subject: Fw: Very Important...do you know her? Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:03:57 -0000 Subject: FW: Very Important...do you know her? Bev O'Brien Buying Admin T40 Entertainment 9 West - Waterside House Office: 0208 718 8244 Mobile: 07957304188 -----Original Message----- From: Luci Cahn [mailto:lucicahn@hotmail.com] Sent: 24 January 2006 16:13 To: Luci Subject: Fw: Very Important...do you know her? Importance: High ----- Original Message ----- From: Natalie Lieberman To: Natalie Lieberman Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 8:09 PM Subject: Fw: Very Important...do you know her? Subject: Very Important...do you know her?[Scanned] Very Important...do you know her? Let's keep this one moving. It only takes a couple of seconds to forward. Subject: Do you recognize this girl? This little girl is at the Phuket Hospital in Thailand. She does not remember her own name or anything! She has lost her parents. She must be of Western origin. She was a victim when she got caught in the tidal wave disaster in Phuket, Thailand and nobody knows who she is, so we are hoping if we distribute this email around the world someone will know her. Please don't break the chain, your contribution could be the one that solves this little girls problem. Please forward this to all your contacts. Rod Hawkins Sergeant 6367 Perth Police Station Ph: (08) 9223 3700 Fax: 9223 3731 Mob: 0418 802 045 ------ End of Forwarded Message ________________________________________________________________________ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/252 - Release Date: 2006-02-06 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Tue Feb 07 11:32:35 2006 X-Deleted-Message: yes From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Feb 08 08:08:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53419 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 16:08:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2006 16:08:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.161) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 16:08:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 9747 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2006 16:08:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20060208160827.9745.qmail@web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:08:27 PST Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:08:27 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1139410829.1712.3610.m17@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Uncle Lenny? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=bzCbr4H46M_4f6sI-Owvi4OYFcqH20w_o5xB9hksFG4rky33UVxlPcE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Leonard Kahn has been unusually quiet - anybody heard any more about CAM-D ? Has anybody had a chance to actually hear CAM-D? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tomray@wor710.com Wed Feb 08 09:24:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17504 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 17:24:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2006 17:24:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.222) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 17:24:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 17:24:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 17:24:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 17:24:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 17:23:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060208160827.9745.qmail@web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Uncle Lenny? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=D7_0QaNBw73wnnVHmbxzVXucQZE9IfgzAMTxLnpO9hpW1QV0 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > Leonard Kahn has been unusually quiet - anybody heard any more about CAM-D ?=20 > Has anybody had a chance to actually hear CAM-D? >=20 Let's see....if you Google CAM-D....you come up with one reference to his system...the rest are for companies like California Micro Devices. If you Google HD Radio, you come up with page after page of HD Radio references. Something tells me not many have heard the system....nor is it doing much. Tom Ray WOR From beefus100@yahoo.com Wed Feb 08 09:59:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: beefus100@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72756 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 17:58:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2006 17:58:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.222) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 17:58:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 17:57:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 17:57:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 17:57:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 17:57:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.68.127.38 From: "Jack" Subject: Introduction to Forum, Carver TX11A notes, and looking for Sony SRF-A100 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=235489308; y=-1oRC90ezPP7aqrR6gHRUy4q0tq0I9pZezMz9uaQQa8JPfyD X-Yahoo-Profile: beefus100 Hello, I would like to introduce myself to this forum. I have been a long=20 time fan of AM stereo. I recently obtained a Harris STX-1B AM stereo=20 exciter which I have connected to a 20 watt Radio Systems AM=20 transmitter on 1580kc feeding a dummy load. I couple a small amount=20 of the RF to a wire running the length of the drop ceiling for AM=20 reception throughout my house. The sound quality of the AM stereo signal using a Carver TX11A=20 receiver is nothing short of spectacular! It is very difficult to=20 hear a difference between source material and the output of the Carver. BTW, I have developed three modifications for my Carver TX11A to allow=20 changing frequency without muting for improved surfing of AM and FM,=20 added a switchable bypass for the 10kc notch filters when not needed,=20 and muted the audio output during power turn on/off. If you have a=20 TX11A and are interested in the mods, let me know. I need a portable AM stereo receiver for use around the house, and it=20 appears that a Sony SRF-A100 would be ideal. I have seen a couple of=20 the them on eBay. Anyone have one to sell? Other subjects: I am appalled at Clear Channel's dictate of 5 kHz low pass audio=20 filters for all of their AM stations. Unbelievable. They are driving=20 listeners away to FM and satellite. The full response AM stations=20 love this, because they are getting more listeners because they sound=20 so much better.=20 I hope IBOC for AM dies a quick death. Have you heard how bad this=20 low bit rate data stream sounds? It is loaded with artifacts and=20 cannot compete with a well engineered AM stereo CQUAM system. Thanks for reading, Jack From mrcomment@yahoo.com Wed Feb 08 11:58:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mrcomment@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87967 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 19:58:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2006 19:58:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.222) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 19:58:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 19:58:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 19:57:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 19:57:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 19:57:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.141.15.203 From: "mrcomment" Subject: Re: Uncle Lenny? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193606338; y=__nK27yMer3IfNDW97V9-kfBbRUWlY34NYXO8chnI1R8fY8R X-Yahoo-Profile: mrcomment --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." > wrote: > > > > Leonard Kahn has been unusually quiet - anybody heard any more=20 about > CAM-D ?=20 > > Has anybody had a chance to actually hear CAM-D? > >=20 >=20 >=20 > Let's see....if you Google CAM-D....you come up with one reference=20 to > his system...the rest are for companies like California Micro=20 Devices. >=20 > If you Google HD Radio, you come up with page after page of HD=20 Radio > references. >=20 > Something tells me not many have heard the system....nor is it=20 doing much. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > Typical Ray; reasonable question from someone and all we get is a=20 snipe response. Since when did the number of google hits indicate=20 anything? I can get millions of hits on Britney Spears but does=20 that make her a good singer? You can also google lots of folks=20 complaining about HD noise (IBUZ). All that proves is that iBiquity=20 has been successful convincing broadcasters to put out PR. No=20 surprise considering the owners include big media. Digital Radio=20 Mondiale is a vastly superior system technically but you see very=20 little on it because they don't spend millions in PR. Take your rah- rah IBOC cheers somewhere else. Kahn's approach of reducing analog DSB woes with a Powerside variant=20 and mixing analog and digital for high is clever. Whether or not it=20 is viable commercially is an open question.=20=20 =20 From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Feb 08 13:33:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 243 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 21:33:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2006 21:33:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.223) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 21:33:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n3.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 21:33:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 21:33:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 21:33:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 21:33:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.32.195 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Uncle Lenny? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=Vg1nfoEIxG_YbzfVgjSAqyw2CWTv_uOVpcpNGuVkm9IHlSpk X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Most of DRM's PR has been primarily in Europe, where the DRM=20 Consortium (http://www.drm.org) and broadcasters like Radio=20 Netherlands and Deutsche Welle have been regularly touting DRM. There=20 has been only one commercially-available standalone DRM receiver,=20 made by a Norwegian company, Mayah, although several companies=20 (Sangean, Robers, Grundig/Eton, etc.) intend on putting out=20 standalone receivers this year. The primary way most are listening to=20 DRM- at least a quarter-million, worldwide at this moment- is by=20 modifying existing receivers with a 455kHz-to-12kHz downmixers, and=20 decoding the DRM signals from the soundcards of their computers with=20 software like the FhG DRM software or the open-source DReaM=20 (http://drm.sourceforge.net). This is probably the biggest hobbyist=20 homebrew phenomenon since homebrew computers 15 or so years ago. DRM is used on LW, MW and SW, mostly in Europe, but there are several=20 DRM broadcasters in the Americas and Asia, too- Mostly shortwave,=20 where most of the DRM activity has been. The lack of American DRM=20 interest is about the same as the lack of SW interest in this country. DRM has a future- It does work, but it's hardly flawless, as any DRM=20 DXer will tell you! The best DRM receiver right now IS DReaM,=20 actually surpassing the commercial wars- Which is itself an amazing=20 feat, since the commercial software is used as a demonstration=20 vehicle for showcasing DRM. DRM codecs for several DSP chips are already available, as well as=20 SDKs being freely available. IBOC has no future because of the interference and that the Average=20 Consumer simply does not understand- And the nuts-and-volts types=20 can't experiment with it. But DRM, which will probably remain a=20 novelty for at least a decade- and is survivable, because it';s not=20 proprietary- has a future. People are listening to DRM NOW, with=20 parts (not counting the 'puter) totalling less than US$100! You can't=20 do that with IBOC! And hams are getting into the act with modified versions of the DRM=20 system and the DReaM software with HamDream/WinDRM... Even DReaM has transmitting capabilities- You could be a Part-15 or=20 Pirate with DRM ***RIGHT NOW***... You can NEVER do that with IBOC! I expect there to be a DRM EME experiment within a year.=20 (EME=3Dmoonbounce-- Using the moon as a reflector at VHF/UHF/microwave=20 freqs.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Feb 08 14:04:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6999 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 22:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2006 22:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 22:04:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 22:03:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 22:03:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 22:03:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.32.195 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: DRM today... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=hTzeD4wtqVmW94GQNwMD_VyaO494wINkPTMGQWmAvd7CB8Tf X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Additionally to me last post, DRM has a few advantages and tricks=20 available, now... DRM CAN broadcast stereo, by using "Parametric Stereo" or "P-Stereo"=20 as a way to broadcast stereo with a mono stream. (IBOC, I believe, is=20 using this, too.) It's not perfect, but because of this technique,=20 there are now at least 5-8 SW broadcasters in stereo right now... One=20 of them, and this is something AM OBOC does not do, and that is over=20 multiple audio streams. Yes- Multiple audio streams. This is also new, even in DRM, so DRM=20 acts much like a mini version of E147 DAB. Germany's "bit eXpress"=20 broadcasts music/variety on one channel, and news on the other- Both=20 in stereo. Germany's international broadcaster, Deutsche Welle, has=20 had up to FOUR streams, for four different language services. Oh, yes- a mini-DAB... with pics, scheds, weather, news and=20 station "web pages", all embedded in the data stream. IBOC only does HALF that, since IBOC is not designed to be useful=20 over anything resembling a computer. (Rather, it's more like a souped- up RDS service.) DRM actually is an exciting realm, right now. It's not perfect- I=20 still prefer analogue AM stereo, because it's far more reliable, but=20 I'm not as adverse to DRM as I am to IBOC. DRM has its problems-=20 Interference, just like IBOC, only much more narrower, and of course=20 the usual digital dropouts make the listening experience not as=20 enjoyable-- But it DOES work as a DXing medium- unlike IBOC. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Wed Feb 08 14:37:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53063 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 22:36:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2006 22:36:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO act-MTAout4.csiro.au) (150.229.7.41) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 22:36:59 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.56]) by act-MTAout4.csiro.au with ESMTP; 09 Feb 2006 09:36:55 +1100 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,98,1139144400"; d="scan'208"; a="80870332:sNHT35543740" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:36:54 +1100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:36:54 +1100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Introduction to Forum, Carver TX11A notes, and looking for Sony SRF-A100 Thread-Index: AcYs2WHAplLkp9ZXQnG989ldisFN9wAJTcfA To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2006 22:36:54.0655 (UTC) FILETIME=[298638F0:01C62D00] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.7.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Introduction to Forum, Carver TX11A notes, and looking for Sony SRF-A100 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=KTy9SIXzRRaFmhe7XJRXVeZ6bqyHwB7JKTT8RhdGLHAj -----Original Message----- From: Jack I need a portable AM stereo receiver for use around the house, and it=20 appears that a Sony SRF-A100 would be ideal. I have seen a couple of=20 the them on eBay. Anyone have one to sell? =20 G'day Jack Checkout this bonza little Sony portable SRF-AX51V, available from Audiocubes. I've bought five of them and love them. Though there's no AMS music here at the moment. :( http://www.audiocubes.com/product_info.php?cPath=3D71_65&products_id=3D418&= o sCsid=3D0dfa75e6c6105e3c4ed3316e50e20005 Last days ... www.4bh.com.au streaming the Top 1000 (easy) hits of all time. Ian Melbourne, Oz From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Feb 08 18:04:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+Zdoh+48+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76433 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2006 02:04:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2006 02:04:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2006 02:04:45 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.40]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 53692302 for ; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 20:03:52 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c62d1e$01a38400$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060206.235701.1464.15.w6yn@juno.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:10:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 2, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.212.40 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 66 AM stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=X8qWk4kQA7gRdxarv2eeT5edYso3k0q7L-ynpVGQkYeloX7X_VNi X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Well, there goes the neighborhood... Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "W6YN Don Milbury" > ABC radio to be Citadel Communications > The deal does not includes Disney's ESPN and Radio Disney network. > > The transaction gives Citadel 177 FM stations and 66 AM stations in the > country's top markets, making it the nation's third largest radio group. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Feb 08 18:22:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+Zdoh+48+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63824 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2006 02:22:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2006 02:22:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2006 02:22:27 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.40]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 54268513 for ; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 20:22:23 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004601c62d20$97a341a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:28:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.212.40 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Introduction to Forum, Carver TX11A notes, and looking for Sony SRF-A100 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=jbJaXjf10y8yibIroVT1EMHPaBud82PCtQstSQDITA9-dRR4MkXu X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Welcome, Jack! I've got a Motorola 1300 that's on 540 and an ancient LPB crystalled to 530. Was hoping to have been doing the same sort of thing you are by now, but family obligations pretty much put the kaibosh on hobby activity. Would have to put all new caps in the Moto to make it work right. Wish I had the $$ for a Carver. I'd ask you for the mods. I've heard that IBOC AM can sound quite good, or rather poor. Most of it seems to depend upon how much transcoding of the audio has taken place before being transmitted. An engineer from the Denver area reports that of the four stations doing it there, the only one that doesn't have audible artifacts is a Contemporary Christian station that is using CDs and has no STL to deal with. The worst sounding IBOC is KOA, a talk station. I suspect there's a lot of satellite stuff on that station, and it's already bit reduced. If I had a lot of $$, I'd go to NYC and give a listen to WOR in digital. I have no reason to doubt Tom Ray who says it sounds great. The original coding scheme was lousy but has been vastly improved. What galls me about IBOC is how it trashes the band. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" > Hello, > > I would like to introduce myself to this forum. I have been a long > time fan of AM stereo. I recently obtained a Harris STX-1B AM stereo > exciter which I have connected to a 20 watt Radio Systems AM > transmitter on 1580kc feeding a dummy load. I couple a small amount > of the RF to a wire running the length of the drop ceiling for AM > reception throughout my house. > > The sound quality of the AM stereo signal using a Carver TX11A > receiver is nothing short of spectacular! It is very difficult to > hear a difference between source material and the output of the Carver. > > BTW, I have developed three modifications for my Carver TX11A to allow > changing frequency without muting for improved surfing of AM and FM, > added a switchable bypass for the 10kc notch filters when not needed, > and muted the audio output during power turn on/off. If you have a > TX11A and are interested in the mods, let me know. > > I need a portable AM stereo receiver for use around the house, and it > appears that a Sony SRF-A100 would be ideal. I have seen a couple of > the them on eBay. Anyone have one to sell? > > Other subjects: > > I am appalled at Clear Channel's dictate of 5 kHz low pass audio > filters for all of their AM stations. Unbelievable. They are driving > listeners away to FM and satellite. The full response AM stations > love this, because they are getting more listeners because they sound > so much better. > > I hope IBOC for AM dies a quick death. Have you heard how bad this > low bit rate data stream sounds? It is loaded with artifacts and > cannot compete with a well engineered AM stereo CQUAM system. > > From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Feb 08 21:07:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16806 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2006 05:07:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2006 05:07:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2006 05:07:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2006 05:07:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2006 05:07:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 05:07:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.32.195 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: AMSS: The RDS of AM... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=4MtO201NMv3fqYgQYYjGKnjdkiF29OCpbH7_qCBWB1VEufJd X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplitude_modulation_signalling_system Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From tomray@wor710.com Thu Feb 09 09:37:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56764 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2006 17:37:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2006 17:37:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.231) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2006 17:37:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2006 17:37:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2006 17:37:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2006 17:37:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:37:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Uncle Lenny? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=BKFhDvKNFbGtyiwpngdSVcW7zly33iz-9vo15JVEBi9n61k6 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "mrcomment" wrote: >=20 > Typical Ray; reasonable question from someone and all we get is a=20 > snipe response. Since when did the number of google hits indicate=20 > anything?=20=20 [TR] It indicates that information is out there, not 'proprietary' and a big secret. If the system is that great, what is the secret?? I can get millions of hits on Britney Spears but does=20 > that make her a good singer?=20=20 [TR] It's debatable whether you should even call her a singer. You can also google lots of folks=20 > complaining about HD noise (IBUZ). All that proves is that iBiquity=20 > has been successful convincing broadcasters to put out PR. No=20 > surprise considering the owners include big media.=20=20 [TR] BINGO! And, as with Motorola C-QUAM, the big PR and the big bucks will be the winner. Welcome to America! Digital Radio=20 > Mondiale is a vastly superior system technically but you see very=20 > little on it because they don't spend millions in PR. Take your rah- > rah IBOC cheers somewhere else. [TR] My, my. Don't we have a royal attitude.....which you should take elsewhere. It's obvious you like swishy codec effects. >=20 > Kahn's approach of reducing analog DSB woes with a Powerside variant=20 > and mixing analog and digital for high is clever. Whether or not it=20 > is viable commercially is an open question. Once you consider that the only thing digital about Kahn's system is the frequency range above 8kHz, and that this information (which is typically the subtleties of musical instruments and very spacial) is MONO....and that the entire thing is based on his AM Stereo system, which still includes buzzes and whistles and all the annoyances of present day AM...no, I would not consider rehashing an ancient system commercially viable. Tom Ray WOR > From tomray@wor710.com Thu Feb 09 09:55:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6332 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2006 17:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2006 17:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.225) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2006 17:55:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n5.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2006 17:54:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2006 17:54:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2006 17:54:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:54:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Uncle Lenny? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=SgjCXpxZ4Ks3ZjOBeNPjnsYZJ_6d81D5-Knb0M4fAURp335B X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > [TR] Amy: Great info on DRM....however...... > IBOC has no future because of the interference and that the Average=20 > Consumer simply does not understand- And the nuts-and-volts types=20 > can't experiment with it. But DRM, which will probably remain a=20 > novelty for at least a decade- and is survivable, because it';s not=20 > proprietary- has a future. People are listening to DRM NOW, with=20 > parts (not counting the 'puter) totalling less than US$100! You can't=20 > do that with IBOC! No, you can't. But how many "Joe Averages" have the ability to build up a board to plug into their computer to listen to DRM? The answer is not many. IBOC has plenty of future, particularly when Joe Average hears the difference....and I will post 2 notes I received from listeners today after I get their permisson to do so. So don't make a statement that no one is listening to HD Radio. They are. As with any new technology, it takes time. Get the technology into Joe Average's hands...that is what will make it go. That is happening with HD today.=20=20 >=20 > And hams are getting into the act with modified versions of the DRM=20 > system and the DReaM software with HamDream/WinDRM... >=20 > Even DReaM has transmitting capabilities- You could be a Part-15 or=20 > Pirate with DRM ***RIGHT NOW***... You can NEVER do that with IBOC! That's right. Because IBOC is not intended for experimenters. And using your analogies, Microsoft Windows should be extinct because their code is proprietary, right? >=20 > I expect there to be a DRM EME experiment within a year.=20 > (EME=3Dmoonbounce-- Using the moon as a reflector at VHF/UHF/microwave=20 > freqs.) >=20 There probably will be. But commercial broadcasters aren't in the business to experiment. We're here to deliver a product. I'm also a Ham, and EME is wonderful stuff....for my HOBBY. In the business world, we need something that is real, and not necessarily "open source" for Joe Hacker to tinker with.=20=20 Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Thu Feb 09 10:00:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76521 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2006 18:00:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2006 18:00:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2006 18:00:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2006 17:59:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2006 17:59:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:59:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: DRM today... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=9_bO5Rv4D2Oz9RsWcywoXR3CFJhgh1rM2aKHe4BDhAonBpNO X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > Additionally to me last post, DRM has a few advantages and tricks=20 > available, now... >=20 > DRM CAN broadcast stereo, by using "Parametric Stereo" or "P-Stereo"=20 > as a way to broadcast stereo with a mono stream. (IBOC, I believe, is=20 > using this, too.) It's not perfect, but because of this technique,=20 > there are now at least 5-8 SW broadcasters in stereo right now... One=20 > of them, and this is something AM OBOC does not do, and that is over=20 > multiple audio streams. [TR] To what end? What do they sound like? You're still cramming 20 pounds of you-know-what into a 5 pound sack.....add more, the quality goes down. And AM HD can do multiple channels. You subdivide the bitstream. Why would you want to have multiple AM HD channels when they will sound just as bad as current day AM? >=20 > IBOC only does HALF that, since IBOC is not designed to be useful=20 > over anything resembling a computer. (Rather, it's more like a souped- > up RDS service.) [TR] No so. There are ancillary data streams that can be used for just what you're talking about. THe "RDS" stuff is simply what is included in the basic package. >=20 > DRM actually is an exciting realm, right now. It's not perfect- I=20 > still prefer analogue AM stereo, because it's far more reliable, but=20 > I'm not as adverse to DRM as I am to IBOC. DRM has its problems-=20 > Interference, just like IBOC, only much more narrower, and of course=20 > the usual digital dropouts make the listening experience not as=20 > enjoyable-- But it DOES work as a DXing medium- unlike IBOC. [TR] DRM is exciting, right now, if you are an electronics hobbyist....but not for Joe Average. And you fully admit that DRM has it's limitatations and causes interference. And your statement that IBOC cannot be DXed is not yet proven. So, what's the difference? Tom Ray WOR >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > From jimbo@burgan.net Thu Feb 09 17:12:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82536 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2006 01:12:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2006 01:12:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm43.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2006 01:12:48 -0000 Received: from pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (pimout1-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.65]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1A1CSRP028231 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:12:28 -0500 X-ORBL: [68.76.216.208] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-76-216-208.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.216.208]) by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id k1A1CKLj072672 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:12:25 -0500 Message-ID: <001501c62ddf$0d6d9480$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:12:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0606-3, 02/09/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: DRM today... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=SfoAvKlRnM9pOfFbzhn7B5IQt1SlMDEisBEZsdtr-V1Dt7U X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > [TR] DRM is exciting, right now, if you are an electronics > hobbyist....but not for Joe Average. And you fully admit that DRM has > it's limitatations and causes interference. And your statement that > IBOC cannot be DXed is not yet proven. Is IBOC viable for long distance listening on the MW band? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Feb 09 18:31:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33212 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2006 02:31:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2006 02:31:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51614.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.126) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2006 02:31:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 11723 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Feb 2006 02:31:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20060210023144.11721.qmail@web51614.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.111.229.134] by web51614.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 18:31:44 PST Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:31:44 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Tekel Subject: Fwd: re: Sony ST-JX220A Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=o6eBmK164OrkRav8W30aZxVE6GSLS2OoLpIDwdEVbDZVEeTTUA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics My ST-JX220A already had a new battery retrofitted when I got it, and its LCD backlight is still working, so maybe someone else can help this fella out: --- boon_kang wrote: > Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 23:49:40 -0000 > From: "boon_kang" > To: "Kevin T." > Subject: re: Sony ST-JX220A Tuner > > Hello, Kevin. > > I found the tuner recently. It works perfectly except that the battery > is dead abd the LCD light bulb is burnt. > > I don't have the service manual. Would you be so kind to guide me on > how to repalce the battery and light bulb ? > > The battery is soldered in, I suppose I can break it off and attached > wires to the battery back (I want to replace it with 2-AA battery pack). > > The bulb is inside a platic case, I don't know how to remove the case. > > Please help !!!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri Feb 10 10:24:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93117 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2006 18:24:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2006 18:24:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.233) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2006 18:24:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2006 18:24:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2006 18:24:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2006 18:24:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:24:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060210023144.11721.qmail@web51614.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 194.219.66.178 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: Fwd: re: Sony ST-JX220A Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=kxyiRKAxy54dnYUdGd3sVh-lkZQyyzyX3qy0x_1CwCY X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 when I've got my ST-JX220A from land of oz!!! it was also with=20 exactly the same faults! No back light on LCD, No memories lithium=20 battery (CR2032 will do the job), and aslo some "broken solders" on=20 the LCD lines leading to occasionaly loss of display!=20 Opened the tuner and I've fixed the 1st & 3rd faults (as I haven't=20 seen yet that no memories can be programmed).=20 To change the light bulb (its not led type, its a common 12V small=20 bulb like those used on older car radios), you have to remove only=20 the receiver main PCB (not the AM Stereo decoder PCB at left of it,=20 behind the ON-OFF switch) by unscrewing the 4-5 internal holding=20 screws and ALSO the rear plate screws taht holding the antenna and=20 phono plug plastic housings! After that go to remove the white=20 plastic cover at rear side of LCD. That is holded down to PCB with=20 three plastic clips/jaws! Two at each side and one at middle back end=20 of the plastic.=20 A very small and thin screwdriver can help you to "unlock" those from=20 PCB. Take care not to broke them!=20 Pulling upside the palstic it will reveal the backplate of the LCD=20 and the light bulb housing. Unsolder the two leads of the burned bulb=20 replace it and solder the new one in place!=20 Put the plastic cover back and press it downward to lock it in again=20 in place.=20 Haven't changed the battery but I'm sure a CR2032 it will fit in=20 place. Unsolder the old one and replace it!=20 I'm going to do it this weekend also, but I'm going to install a=20 CR2032 battery holder in place, for quick future change ;)=20 Reassemble the tuner following reversing procedure... of the above!!!=20 Regards Sotiris Pdmtr Athens GREECE =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Tekel =20 wrote: > > My ST-JX220A already had a new battery retrofitted when I got it,=20 and its > LCD backlight is still working, so maybe someone else can help this=20 fella > out: >=20 > --- boon_kang wrote: >=20 > > Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 23:49:40 -0000 > > From: "boon_kang" > > To: "Kevin T." > > Subject: re: Sony ST-JX220A Tuner=20 > >=20 > > Hello, Kevin. > >=20 > > I found the tuner recently. It works perfectly except that the=20 battery > > is dead abd the LCD light bulb is burnt. > >=20 > > I don't have the service manual. Would you be so kind to guide me=20 on > > how to repalce the battery and light bulb ? > >=20 > > The battery is soldered in, I suppose I can break it off and=20 attached > > wires to the battery back (I want to replace it with 2-AA battery=20 pack). > >=20 > > The bulb is inside a platic case, I don't know how to remove the=20 case. > >=20 > > Please help !!!! >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com > From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Fri Feb 10 12:45:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5499 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2006 20:45:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2006 20:45:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2006 20:45:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2006 20:45:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2006 20:45:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:45:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.1.220.156 From: "Douglas" Subject: marantz remote X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355; y=eqq5SIVW-yz62hcvIpJ-xo7kpXe_mKL5LQikwUNWr94PXzsrnQ X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Do any of you own a Marantz SR-940 along with the remote? I'd like to find out the model number for that remote control... Thanks! From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Feb 10 18:51:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+6Ujp+50+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94352 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2006 02:51:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2006 02:51:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2006 02:51:07 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.89]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 54249106 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:51:06 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c62eb6$f29ae1c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060206.235701.1464.15.w6yn@juno.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:57:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 21, in=14, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.89 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 66 AM stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=5UWYyVUGG8trSRZPD_Y2jkFEDNUdCa2U3A6LRu8NVdKuPT2EDCTX X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude In the same vein from the Upper Midwest Broadcasting news: ABC RADIO MERGES WITH CITADEL: The $2.7 billion merger will split the ownership of 1440 and 92.5 in the Minneapolis market for the first time. The new Citadel will own 22 current ABC stations in 9 markets, including KQRS, 93X, and the Drive 105 trimulcast in the Twin Cities. However, Disney will retain ownership of ESPN Radio and Radio Disney, as well as owned-and-operated Radio Disney affiliates, including KDIZ/1440 (Golden Valley-Minneapolis) and WKSH/1640 (Sussex-Milwaukee). Citadel will own the ABC Radio Networks and ABC's 24-hour formats, such as Real Country and Oldies Radio. After the merger is complete, Disney shareholders will own 52% of Citadel, while current Citadel shareholders will own 48%. Citadel currently owns stations in 49 markets, including Des Moines. (2/7/2006) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "W6YN Don Milbury" > ABC radio to be Citadel Communications > > The Walt Disney Co. said it will merge its ABC Radio network and 22 > stations with Citadel Broadcasting Corp. (CDL) in a deal valued at $2.7 > billion. > > The deal does not includes Disney's ESPN and Radio Disney network. > From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Fri Feb 10 19:21:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85612 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2006 03:21:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2006 03:21:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2006 03:21:09 -0000 Received: from [4.247.123.142] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F7lJr-0005yz-Tr for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:21:09 -0500 Message-ID: <380-22006261132114703@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.116.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:21:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc209e8e100cafe883d87a96a9fac873fd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: RE: {AMSF} OT - Feb 17 2009 Analog TV Shutoff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=u1o5GpmoftWBgFzTw6DLSg14DCYvvIHIyq-v4wrP49KmbA Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Copied from Norbert 26's post on ABDX Discussion Group: ________________________________________ Date posted: 2006-02-10=20 2009 Becomes Law President Bush has signed the budget reconciliation bill that sets Feb. 17,= 2009 as the day analog television broadcast signals go away forever. The b= ill also allocates up to $1.5 billion to subsidize the digital-to-analog co= nverters that will keep millions of existing analog sets out of landfills.= =20 The NAB was happy to once again point out that a provision allowing cable o= perators to convert over-the-air HDTV signals to standard definition was ex= cised from the bill before it reached the president's desk. Some observers = note that this could spell bad news for stations in markets where cable cap= acity is limited, but that's the not the point right now. The point right n= ow is to put a positive spin on the biggest industrial mandate in the histo= ry of the nation.=20 "With today's enactment of the budget reconciliation bill and its digital t= elevision provisions, we have crossed an important threshold," said NAB chi= ef David Rehr in a statement. "NAB is pleased that Congress adopted many pr= o-consumer DTV measures in the legislation, and we're encouraged that the b= ill thwarted cable industry attempts to degrade the quality of HDTV picture= s to consumers."=20 The Consumer Electronics Association issued a different kind of happy sound= over the president's signature. The digital transition has given CEA membe= rs an unprecedented opportunity to foist expensive new gizmos onto consumer= s, and the $1.5 billion subsidy for D2A converters creates a guaranteed mar= ket for those devices. Consumers will buy "more than 18 million DTV sets an= d displays" this year, according to CEA prognostications.=20 CEA honcho Gary Shapiro said, "With the combination of the hard cut-off dat= e, continuing strong sales of DTV products, an increasing array of quality = high-definition programming and the coming advent of new pre-recorded HD co= ntent, we are well on our way toward making the U.S. a 'DTV nation.'" =C2=A92005 IMAS Publishing Group. All rights reserved. Reproduction in whol= e or in part in any form or medium without express written permission of IM= AS Publishing Group is prohibited. Dick W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Feb 10 21:08:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51587 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2006 05:08:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2006 05:08:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao03.cox.net) (68.230.241.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2006 05:08:03 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060211050618.QJNK20875.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 00:06:18 -0500 In-Reply-To: <380-22006261132114703@earthlink.net> References: <380-22006261132114703@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <28EFFCB2-F14D-4257-9053-B6A4E71C3DA9@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:07:33 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - Feb 17 2009 Analog TV Shutoff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=sJmubTr6Ynk1AN2i-ZlJs-3QLuJgQmFX5m9OUf5noj4ADDkzaf47mDxzc3PZ X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner It would also mean the loss of subscribers for cable, if cable companies were allowed to downgrade HD signals. . I'm already waiting impatiently for more HD channels. If they don't do it soon, I'll connect the antenna again. I love HDTV. Richard On Feb 10, 2006, at 7:21 PM, Dick W wrote: > The NAB was happy to once again point out that a provision allowing > cable operators to convert over-the-air HDTV signals to standard > definition was excised from the bill before it reached the > president's desk. Some observers note that this could spell bad > news for stations in markets where cable capacity is limited, but > that's the not the point right now. The point right now is to put a > positive spin on the biggest industrial mandate in the history of > the nation. From starship_2001@msn.com Sat Feb 11 02:42:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35989 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2006 10:42:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2006 10:42:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.80) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2006 10:42:43 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 02:42:31 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.13 by BAY106-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:42:31 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:42:30 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2006 10:42:31.0992 (UTC) FILETIME=[DCA02380:01C62EF7] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.80 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - Feb 17 2009 Analog TV Shutoff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=YZ-II3B2J26erUbjLTFwQ6vKFfYEbdX2t_lle5yvL5qkiYhMhr5Y7-bc7A X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't watch any of these things they call TV prgrams nowadays. What little TV i watch is old shows from the 60's and 70's and they were all recorded NTSC format. Therefore i have no interest in HD TV. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Wagoner Sent: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:07:33 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - Feb 17 2009 Analog TV Shutoff It would also mean the loss of subscribers for cable, if cable companies were allowed to downgrade HD signals. . I'm already waiting impatiently for more HD channels. If they don't do it soon, I'll connect the antenna again. I love HDTV. Richard On Feb 10, 2006, at 7:21 PM, Dick W wrote: > The NAB was happy to once again point out that a provision allowing > cable operators to convert over-the-air HDTV signals to standard > definition was excised from the bill before it reached the > president's desk. Some observers note that this could spell bad > news for stations in markets where cable capacity is limited, but > that's the not the point right now. The point right now is to put a > positive spin on the biggest industrial mandate in the history of > the nation. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sat Feb 11 03:17:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63211 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2006 11:17:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2006 11:17:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2006 11:17:23 -0000 Received: from [4.247.127.202] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F7skg-0002Np-FZ for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 06:17:19 -0500 Message-ID: <380-220062611111725843@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.116.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 06:17:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc180e12dffa1b4970d0b0fc70870f8412350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - Feb 17 2009 Analog TV Shutoff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=ANVYaDKPgng62KU9TTdh8Rj-CHUOz_IP484HL5UxSDx1xA I am the same. Current TV is boring. Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Norbert 26 > To: > Date: 2/11/2006 5:42:45 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - Feb 17 2009 Analog TV Shutoff > > I don't watch any of these things they call TV prgrams nowadays. What little TV i watch is old shows from the 60's and 70's and they were all recorded NTSC format. Therefore i have no interest in HD TV. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Wagoner > Sent: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:07:33 -0800 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - Feb 17 2009 Analog TV Shutoff > > It would also mean the loss of subscribers for cable, if cable > companies were allowed to downgrade HD signals. . I'm already waiting > impatiently for more HD channels. If they don't do it soon, I'll > connect the antenna again. > > I love HDTV. > > Richard > > On Feb 10, 2006, at 7:21 PM, Dick W wrote: > > > The NAB was happy to once again point out that a provision allowing > > cable operators to convert over-the-air HDTV signals to standard > > definition was excised from the bill before it reached the > > president's desk. Some observers note that this could spell bad > > news for stations in markets where cable capacity is limited, but > > that's the not the point right now. The point right now is to put a > > positive spin on the biggest industrial mandate in the history of > > the nation. > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sat Feb 11 03:33:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28616 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2006 11:33:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2006 11:33:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2006 11:33:07 -0000 Received: from [4.247.127.202] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F7szn-0006dw-Oz for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 06:32:56 -0500 Message-ID: <380-22006261111333812@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.116.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 06:33:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc3e916e4307729a65f7fbf5c016997e4c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - Feb 17 2009 Analog TV Shutoff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=Xm3XUMU7FsUJiFU2DKxOlFbzJljhSYCc-6EjU5DRghCnWg Like Norbert 26, I'm just going to purchase the converter box. I am not going to go out and buy new TV sets, particularly with programming as boring as it is,. Dick W. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Feb 11 15:02:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+6Ujp+50+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65975 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2006 23:02:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2006 23:02:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2006 23:02:18 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.209.52]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 55019055 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:02:16 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c62f60$2671dcc0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <380-220062611111725843@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:08:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.209.52 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - Feb 17 2009 Analog TV Shutoff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=a5fC_ZPc3JdelMXq8zc77jKWQfxHiIdalhFVCZslneQTGzpwxK8S X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude How much of it will really be transmitted as HD TV? I'm betting it'll just be split up into more SD channels most of the time, so what have we really gained other than 4X the same old same old? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick W" > I am the same. Current TV is boring. > Dick W. > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Norbert 26 > > > > I don't watch any of these things they call TV prgrams nowadays. What > little TV i watch is old shows from the 60's and 70's and they were all > recorded NTSC format. Therefore i have no interest in HD TV. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Richard Wagoner > > > > It would also mean the loss of subscribers for cable, if cable > > companies were allowed to downgrade HD signals. . I'm already waiting > > impatiently for more HD channels. If they don't do it soon, I'll > > connect the antenna again. > > From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Feb 11 16:16:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94902 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2006 00:16:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2006 00:16:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.233) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2006 00:16:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2006 00:15:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2006 00:15:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2006 00:15:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 00:15:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 81.7.47.228 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: AMSS: The RDS of AM... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=gYmdSkuFwl-EMMyKXEdlBZ33CG2mgdBLrdc25aSRhMvU7Vf9jg X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplitude_modulation_signalling_system >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Great site wikipedia...AMSS is only used by the BBC world service it=20 seems at the moment. With Dream 1.5cvs I am able to decode the ID data=20 on 648khz AM. I hope other AM'ers use it soon. USA stations even, esp=20 AM stereo stations ;-) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Feb 11 16:23:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75748 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2006 00:23:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2006 00:23:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.85) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2006 00:23:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2006 18:28:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2006 00:23:02 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 00:23:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.250.25.97 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: DRM today... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=VZRHBwlPPHUoegmYuhzThtyO9v8XniS2MJBvSVl-6zCHXRFSRA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > And AM HD can do multiple channels. You subdivide the > bitstream. Theoretically you could, providing 20 kbps for the main channel and=20 16 kbps for the "HD2" channel... but currently, iBiquity does not=20 allow this, and even if they did, there are no receivers which would=20 be able to receive the secondary AM IBOC channels -- you're lucky=20 enough to even receive the secondary *FM* IBOC channels, which the=20 only IBOC-capable factory-equipped car radio available today (in the=20 BMW 7-series) cannot. > Why would you want to have multiple AM HD channels when > they will sound just as bad as current day AM? Ever listen to the traffic channels on XM or Sirius? They sound even=20 *worse* than even the 5 kHz analog audio of an AM IBOC station. I'd guess they're using a bit rate of around 6 kbps, with heavily=20 artifacted ~3 kHz audio -- about the same as a digital cell phone. But as long as it's mostly intelligible, that's all that matters,=20 since to the consumer, content is more important than quality. From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Feb 11 16:27:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79886 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2006 00:27:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2006 00:27:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2006 00:27:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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Very nice design I thought From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Feb 11 16:54:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12156 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2006 00:54:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2006 00:54:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao04.cox.net) (68.230.241.35) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2006 00:54:36 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060212005117.SSDE17690.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:51:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: <001001c62f60$2671dcc0$d503fea9@stodd> References: <380-220062611111725843@earthlink.net> <001001c62f60$2671dcc0$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <80990213-4EF7-4E4A-B8AD-9C74F2B10263@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 16:54:11 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - Feb 17 2009 Analog TV Shutoff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=wl74Uyd09Y5XpfwFF_I8JYM24RmwSzyx5PwqcTWFmGP9idlFu9yMNhzLBHAf X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Maybe we'll get one channel that is as good as KBSC-TV Channel 52 Corona/Los Angeles was back in the 1970s. On Feb 11, 2006, at 3:08 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > How much of it will really be transmitted as HD TV? I'm betting > it'll just > be split up into more SD channels most of the time, so what have we > really > gained other than 4X the same old same old? From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Feb 11 17:25:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30663 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2006 01:24:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2006 01:24:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2006 01:24:58 -0000 Received: from fl-71-54-181-197.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.54.181.197] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F85yz-00043K-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 20:24:57 -0500 Message-ID: <01da01c62f73$22120a70$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 20:24:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Uncle Lenny? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=iFoI7slWohgjYc3cBZavBlaHtzLGdvysAh6Wk_AxDDcoYeik-GhGHE-uNpb4Qw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Ray wrote: > If the system is that great, what is the secret?? I don't blame Kahn for keeping a tight lid on the CAM-D system until all of the patents have been issued. I am sure he still has a bitter taste left from Motorola stealing his technology and using it against his competing AM Stereo system. > > [TR] BINGO! And, as with Motorola C-QUAM, the big PR and the big bucks will be the winner. Welcome to America! And THAT is just why Lenny is keeping his mouth shut! > > > the entire thing is based on his AM Stereo system, which still includes buzzes and whistles and all the annoyances of present day AM...no, I would not consider rehashing an ancient system commercially viable. Actually a KAHN ISB Stereo signal received on a KAHN tuner has much less annoyances than a Mono signal received on a Mono radio when listening to skywave. During selective fading, there is almost no "Ducking" and the stereo image remains rock stable until the signal fades below the noise floor. Try THAT with the inferior HD-Radio or C-QUAM systems! KAHN ISB even makes a Mono radio sound better when listening to Skywave. I used to LOVE listening to WQXR on my multi-system Kenwood tuner. It sounded better than the local classical FM station. I like the way Lenny explaines why he won't release details of his system: from the web page http://www.wrathofkahn.org/default.php "I, Leonard Kahn, know not to trust my $ million plus Cam-DTM investment to people using names that sound like Goofy, and who are bearing gifts that remind me of a Trojan Horsey, and who really, really believes we need Dr. Hill on the FCC, truly believe that the above stated facts and opinions are accurate and are not meant to mislead." Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Feb 11 17:31:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4480 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2006 01:31:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2006 01:31:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2006 01:31:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2006 01:31:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2006 01:31:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:31:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.14.35 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: AMSS: The RDS of AM... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=vJcVzazIVuTEl0wLbsqggPGNy6GNSuaRSiLQTBdwkQQEvyMP X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 > wrote: > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplitude_modulation_signalling_system > >=20 > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > >=20 > Great site wikipedia...AMSS is only used by the BBC world service it=20 > seems at the moment. With Dream 1.5cvs I am able to decode the ID=20 data=20 > on 648khz AM. I hope other AM'ers use it soon. USA stations even, esp=20 > AM stereo stations ;-) 234kHz RTL is also using AMSS- Found that out, here: http://drm.sourceforge.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=3D59 You're at 1.5?? It's now up to 1.6.1cvs, and the latest Windows=20 compiled version (1.6.1cvs) was mentioned at the end of the second page=20 of the EPG decoding thread on the forum at DReaM's Sourceforge site: http://drm.sourceforge.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=3D151&st=3D25 Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sat Feb 11 21:08:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93061 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2006 05:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2006 05:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.233) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2006 05:08:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2006 05:07:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2006 05:07:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2006 05:07:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 05:07:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.184.96.32 From: "Mike" Subject: Re: RadioYourWay LX from Pogo Products X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087; y=6pmwImYTMFJVuKZowsGZp8ZH6wSjoNcJpea0hNIoPVAqcYAe X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > > Just noticed this product, new I guess, AM and FM recpetion any=20 good ? > Very nice design I thought > I would suspect the AM is noisy with all the junk going on (plus the=20 fact that people forgot how to design AM sections after 1986). I=20 don't know for sure, just a guess Anyone have any luck with these? From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sun Feb 12 05:20:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92330 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2006 13:20:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2006 13:20:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.221) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2006 13:20:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2006 13:20:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2006 13:20:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2006 13:20:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:20:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 81.7.4.73 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: AMSS: The RDS of AM... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=1q2T49KkyrgapmPlxqEZF_l3Jx_VNbZTKS4LAh9dFflTSHvffg X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 > > wrote: > > > > > >=20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplitude_modulation_signalling_system > > >=20 > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > >=20 > > Great site wikipedia...AMSS is only used by the BBC world=20 service it=20 > > seems at the moment. With Dream 1.5cvs I am able to decode the=20 ID=20 > data=20 > > on 648khz AM. I hope other AM'ers use it soon. USA stations=20 even, esp=20 > > AM stereo stations ;-) >=20 > 234kHz RTL is also using AMSS- Found that out, here: > http://drm.sourceforge.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=3D59 OK well one other then ! =20 > You're at 1.5?? It's now up to 1.6.1cvs, and the latest Windows=20 > compiled version (1.6.1cvs) was mentioned at the end of the second=20 page=20 > of the EPG decoding thread on the forum at DReaM's Sourceforge=20 site: > http://drm.sourceforge.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=3D151&st=3D25 >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Thanks for the link, I knew about 1.6 just have'nt bothered to=20 download it ! From mtgc@hotmail.com Sun Feb 12 08:02:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67570 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2006 16:02:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2006 16:02:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.37) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2006 16:02:37 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:02:27 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:02:23 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <380-22006261111333812@earthlink.net> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:02:23 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2006 16:02:27.0124 (UTC) FILETIME=[B83A9740:01C62FED] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - Feb 17 2009 Analog TV Shutoff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=v8Eygg35xEldOlyt2__yeDq2Yk8y2I1cyqZpqHss-Q-_wfkuo8KQ X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Can anyone tell me what is the least expensive converter box, and where might I find such an unit? Thanks, MTGC (Michael) >From: "Dick W" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - Feb 17 2009 Analog TV Shutoff >Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 06:33:03 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 >X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net >Received: from n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.41]) by >bay0-mc1-f9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sat, 11 >Feb 2006 03:33:43 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb >2006 11:33:16 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.61] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb >2006 11:33:16 -0000 >Received: (qmail 28616 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2006 11:33:07 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >11 Feb 2006 11:33:07 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net) >(209.86.89.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2006 11:33:07 >-0000 >Received: from [4.247.127.202] (helo=earthlink.net)by >smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34)id >1F7szn-0006dw-Ozfor amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 >06:32:56 -0500 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHDbEfAUuEUOGEpGvz8UHMZDFboZUtQDt4= >Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; >d=yahoogroups.com;b=Ikoi8Eyf4nVZi+pB7F6tA8V+RuJ7+rCvn5EnYpg22oL/V7/mI/NZvvYUPMiM7rRt65M0g3VWzwobxLz5AWgZACCBUd8QGRWhUjgHYNeMwzd2Cs2HbzCzLzwQvtlf4v/O; >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.116.0 (Windows) >X-ELNK-Trace: >6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc3e916e4307729a65f7fbf5c016997e4c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >List-Id: >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-22626-1139657588-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2006 11:33:43.0025 (UTC) >FILETIME=[031A9610:01C62EFF] > >Like Norbert 26, I'm just going to purchase the converter box. I am not >going to go out and buy new TV sets, particularly with programming as >boring as it is,. >Dick W. > > From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Feb 12 22:16:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32929 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2006 06:16:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2006 06:16:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.176.248) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2006 06:16:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 8579 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2006 06:15:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20060213061542.8577.qmail@web25815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.8.177] by web25815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:15:42 PST Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:15:42 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <380-22006261111333812@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.176.248 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - Feb 17 2009 Analog TV Shutoff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=dtFp_3pfrKn55DrjD902whJWgR5qdhJOpVdWfmLc2KJHTP_B0KBl X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I agree, television is crap. The only thing I like to watch is maybe the history channel or a news channel. Otherwise I just rent movies on DVD and watch those. I too particularly like the shows from the 60's and 70's and I was born in 1973. Television had much more quality programming then. What ever happened to the variety shows like Ed Sullivan, etc. Well I know he passed away but whats to say someone else couldn't come along and have something like that again. He used to have the best bands of the day, best stunt acts, theatre, animal tricks, etc. There was something for everyone in those broadcasts. I wish I had lived during those times and could have seen it all new. I think we've moved way too far into this plastic throw away world. I miss the old televisions made out of real wood! Now all you get is some plastic crap that is painted silver to look like metal. I just think all that modern looking crap is way too sterile and boring. We need a renaissance of wood and real chrome. Just look back at an old Sansui 2000X receiver. Now man those things are beautiful. Oh well I guess im a younger person (32 y.o.) who prefers things that are more refined and warm. I mean come on, even CD players and receivers could be made with wood casings and real chrome again. They just won't. -Kevin --- Dick W wrote: --------------------------------- Like Norbert 26, I'm just going to purchase the converter box. I am not going to go out and buy new TV sets, particularly with programming as boring as it is,. Dick W. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum SPONSORED LINKS Stereo High performance Digital radio --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2006 06:58:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2006 06:58:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 06:58:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.250.60.183 From: "Kevin T." Subject: OpenGeek on AM Stereo (and IBOC, Sirius, etc.) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=rF8hORJFIBx1q_eyMJdoUMuOXXITEAKKpphHA-iwKBhiRIMUBA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I found a nice article on AM Stereo, specifically mentioning the=20 recent upgrades of KRIB and WNMB to C-Quam, on the "OpenGeek" web=20 site: http://www.opengeek.org/ Also on that site you can find an "HD Radio Samples" page which=20 offers audio samples (mostly in uncompressed .wav format) of AM and=20 FM IBOC, as well as Eureka-147 DAB, DRM, Sirius satellite, and plain=20 ol' analog FM Stereo. The AM IBOC samples are interesting because they include several=20 instances of blending back and forth between analog AM (with muffled=20 3 kHz audio) and digital IBOC (with its typical highly synthetic-=20 sounding high end). The most annoying part of this blending is the=20 strange phasing effect caused by the station's analog and digital=20 audio not being in exactly perfect synch with each other. The FM IBOC samples are of course much better than the AM IBOC, but=20 still suffer from annoyingly artificial treble harmonics, especially=20 in Peter Frampton's voice. Sirius's audio surprises me with how good=20 it sounds, considering its low bitrate and obsolete Lucent PAC codec.=20 They've done a good job at taming its artifacts by limiting the audio=20 response to 12 kHz and reducing the high-end stereo separation, so=20 the treble harmonics don't come out screeching in your ears like=20 demonic cicadas (as XM sounds to me). From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Feb 13 00:07:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82559 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2006 08:07:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2006 08:07:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao03.cox.net) (68.230.241.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2006 08:07:54 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060213080631.QTKI20875.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 03:06:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060213061542.8577.qmail@web25815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060213061542.8577.qmail@web25815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 00:07:51 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - Feb 17 2009 Analog TV Shutoff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=S_0k5Ty7G3yMd4QdSgQXfxOzGzWYhYpy1WDxn3vxNaHFB1zu8djcyHiKziom X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rose colored glasses: There was a LOT of crap back then on television. And, just for the record, the 2000x may have looked good, but the AM tuner was one of the worst ever made. Even the FM wasn't that great. I own two of them. On Feb 12, 2006, at 10:15 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > I agree, television is crap. The only thing I like to > watch is maybe the history channel or a news channel. > Otherwise I just rent movies on DVD and watch those. > I too particularly like the shows from the 60's and > 70's and I was born in 1973. Television had much more > quality programming then. What ever happened to the > variety shows like Ed Sullivan, etc. Well I know he > passed away but whats to say someone else couldn't > come along and have something like that again. He > used to have the best bands of the day, best stunt > acts, theatre, animal tricks, etc. There was > something for everyone in those broadcasts. I wish I > had lived during those times and could have seen it > all new. I think we've moved way too far into this > plastic throw away world. I miss the old televisions > made out of real wood! Now all you get is some > plastic crap that is painted silver to look like > metal. I just think all that modern looking crap is > way too sterile and boring. We need a renaissance of > wood and real chrome. Just look back at an old Sansui > 2000X receiver. Now man those things are beautiful. > Oh well I guess im a younger person (32 y.o.) who > prefers things that are more refined and warm. I mean > come on, even CD players and receivers could be made > with wood casings and real chrome again. They just > won't. > > -Kevin > > > --- Dick W wrote: > > > --------------------------------- > Like Norbert 26, I'm just going to purchase the > converter box. I am not > going to go out and buy new TV sets, particularly with > programming as > boring as it is,. > Dick W. > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Stereo > High performance > Digital radio > > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! > Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Stereo High performance Digital radio > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Feb 13 00:34:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7723 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2006 08:34:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2006 08:34:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2006 08:34:46 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 00:34:44 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.44 by BAY106-DAV21.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:34:44 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereo@bellsouth.net, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:34:43 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2006 08:34:44.0820 (UTC) FILETIME=[57760940:01C63078] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.93 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Fw: Re: {AMSF} OT - Feb 17 2009 Analog TV Shutoff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=p_PfoMNYuKNTRSXB-eY-nHb8_N_gbXb5T7xXm_MxylhLkR2pbVFFVnzHSXY X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Rose colored glasses: There was a LOT of >crap back then on >television. That is true, but I think many people on this list would concede that the percentage of crap on television (and radio) has increased dramatically. For people born in the 70's they might remember the Carol Burnett Show, which was a good variety show and in the late 70's and 1980's the Bob Newhart shows. I have monitored and kept a log of my tv viewing these past 8 days. (last Sunday through and including Sunday, the 12th) and my total was 7 hours. I don't think there's much worth watching and when analogue dies in 2009; don't even know if I will bother with a converter box or new tv, unless the quality is drastically better than it is now. As far as converter boxes go, I don't know if they're available yet, since the manufactures would much prefer consumers to help the economy to a greater extent and buy a new tv, rather than the less expensive converter box route. To me, the programming is just as important or maybe even more important than picture quality. I know in this area, iPod Shack (formerly Radio Shack) does not have them; I asked out of curiosity and got that infamous iPod Shack blank look. If anyone would have them, they would be the many cutting edge electronic stores, i.e. those selling "HD" radios/receivers. Donn St. Petersburg -----Original Message----- From: Richard Wagoner Sent: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 00:07:51 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - Feb 17 2009 Analog TV Shutoff Rose colored glasses: There was a LOT of crap back then on television. And, just for the record, the 2000x may have looked good, but the AM tuner was one of the worst ever made. Even the FM wasn't that great. I own two of them. On Feb 12, 2006, at 10:15 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > I agree, television is crap. The only thing I like to > watch is maybe the history channel or a news channel. > Otherwise I just rent movies on DVD and watch those. > I too particularly like the shows from the 60's and > 70's and I was born in 1973. Television had much more > quality programming then. What ever happened to the > variety shows like Ed Sullivan, etc. Well I know he > passed away but whats to say someone else couldn't > come along and have something like that again. He > used to have the best bands of the day, best stunt > acts, theatre, animal tricks, etc. There was > something for everyone in those broadcasts. I wish I > had lived during those times and could have seen it > all new. I think we've moved way too far into this > plastic throw away world. I miss the old televisions > made out of real wood! Now all you get is some > plastic crap that is painted silver to look like > metal. I just think all that modern looking crap is > way too sterile and boring. We need a renaissance of > wood and real chrome. Just look back at an old Sansui > 2000X receiver. Now man those things are beautiful. > Oh well I guess im a younger person (32 y.o.) who > prefers things that are more refined and warm. I mean > come on, even CD players and receivers could be made > with wood casings and real chrome again. They just > won't. > > -Kevin > > > --- Dick W wrote: > > > --------------------------------- > Like Norbert 26, I'm just going to purchase the > converter box. I am not > going to go out and buy new TV sets, particularly with > programming as > boring as it is,. > Dick W. > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Stereo > High performance > Digital radio > > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! > Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Feb 13 02:08:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34554 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2006 10:08:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2006 10:08:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.223) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2006 10:08:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n3.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2006 10:08:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2006 10:08:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2006 10:08:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:08:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 81.7.4.73 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: Fwd: re: Sony ST-JX220A Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=K1IvZ-o-ARSHF4jkMlWqJK_xCeVuc71T_47vMi6CIcqxWeNEIw X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > Hi=20 > when I've got my ST-JX220A from land of oz!!! it was also with=20 > exactly the same faults! No back light on LCD, No memories lithium=20 > battery (CR2032 will do the job), and aslo some "broken solders" on=20 > the LCD lines leading to occasionaly loss of display!=20 > Hi Soriris did'nt know you had a 220a. The one I got from Oz althohgh=20 vry badly packed was working fine and the backlight is still working=20 along with the memories must have been lucky then! 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They supposed to come down. -----Original Message----- From: Donn Tillman Sent: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 00:34:43 -0800 To: amstereo@bellsouth.net, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fw: Re: {AMSF} OT - Feb 17 2009 Analog TV Shutoff >Rose colored glasses: There was a LOT of >crap back then on >television. That is true, but I think many people on this list would concede that the percentage of crap on television (and radio) has increased dramatically. For people born in the 70's they might remember the Carol Burnett Show, which was a good variety show and in the late 70's and 1980's the Bob Newhart shows. I have monitored and kept a log of my tv viewing these past 8 days. (last Sunday through and including Sunday, the 12th) and my total was 7 hours. I don't think there's much worth watching and when analogue dies in 2009; don't even know if I will bother with a converter box or new tv, unless the quality is drastically better than it is now. As far as converter boxes go, I don't know if they're available yet, since the manufactures would much prefer consumers to help the economy to a greater extent and buy a new tv, rather than the less expensive converter box route. To me, the programming is just as important or maybe even more important than picture quality. I know in this area, iPod Shack (formerly Radio Shack) does not have them; I asked out of curiosity and got that infamous iPod Shack blank look. If anyone would have them, they would be the many cutting edge electronic stores, i.e. those selling "HD" radios/receivers. Donn St. Petersburg -----Original Message----- From: Richard Wagoner Sent: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 00:07:51 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - Feb 17 2009 Analog TV Shutoff Rose colored glasses: There was a LOT of crap back then on television. And, just for the record, the 2000x may have looked good, but the AM tuner was one of the worst ever made. Even the FM wasn't that great. I own two of them. On Feb 12, 2006, at 10:15 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > I agree, television is crap. The only thing I like to > watch is maybe the history channel or a news channel. > Otherwise I just rent movies on DVD and watch those. > I too particularly like the shows from the 60's and > 70's and I was born in 1973. Television had much more > quality programming then. What ever happened to the > variety shows like Ed Sullivan, etc. Well I know he > passed away but whats to say someone else couldn't > come along and have something like that again. He > used to have the best bands of the day, best stunt > acts, theatre, animal tricks, etc. There was > something for everyone in those broadcasts. I wish I > had lived during those times and could have seen it > all new. I think we've moved way too far into this > plastic throw away world. I miss the old televisions > made out of real wood! Now all you get is some > plastic crap that is painted silver to look like > metal. I just think all that modern looking crap is > way too sterile and boring. We need a renaissance of > wood and real chrome. Just look back at an old Sansui > 2000X receiver. Now man those things are beautiful. > Oh well I guess im a younger person (32 y.o.) who > prefers things that are more refined and warm. I mean > come on, even CD players and receivers could be made > with wood casings and real chrome again. They just > won't. > > -Kevin > > > --- Dick W wrote: > > > --------------------------------- > Like Norbert 26, I'm just going to purchase the > converter box. I am not > going to go out and buy new TV sets, particularly with > programming as > boring as it is,. > Dick W. > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Stereo > High performance > Digital radio > > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2006 17:41:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2006 17:41:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:41:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.89.146.146 From: "narkspud" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - Feb 17 2009 Analog TV Shutoff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=OSgiO0LivCx-HwYaxAE0oVy1d5cYAo3qhJCPO6XxlqKtN-A X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Norbert 26" wrot= e: > > I don't watch any of these things they call TV prgrams nowadays. What lit= tle TV i watch is=20 old shows from the 60's and 70's and they were all recorded NTSC format. Th= erefore i have=20 no interest in HD TV.=20=20=20 Point of order. Most old shows were "recorded" on 35mm film, not NTSC vide= o. 35mm film=20 is a high-definition format.=20=20 They've already started upgrading. ABC showed new HD transfers of some of = the classic=20 Rankin-Bass Christmas specials this past December. They looked fantastic. = Well, fantastic=20 for Japanese-outsourced animation done on the cheap anyway.=20=20 As costs come down and HD home video formats start catching on, there's goi= ng to be a big=20 rush to transfer old film shows to HD. What'll get interesting is when the= y have to start=20 explaining to consumers why 60s shows done entirely on film (Star Trek Clas= sic) can be=20 upgraded to HD, while 90s shows posted on tape (Star Trek Next Generation) = can't. You WILL see HD "Brady Bunch" in your lifetime. We'll just have to disagre= e on whether that's=20 really any better than the current crop o' crap. From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon Feb 13 10:53:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20137 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2006 18:53:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2006 18:53:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2006 18:53:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2006 18:53:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2006 18:53:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:53:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 194.219.66.178 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: Fwd: re: Sony ST-JX220A Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=UeQLfCPM4t-xd-_Iyn-oN8DgO-BZKG016YyeNKr7gng X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > > > Hi=20 > > when I've got my ST-JX220A from land of oz!!! it was also with=20 > > exactly the same faults! No back light on LCD, No memories lithium=20 > > battery (CR2032 will do the job), and aslo some "broken solders" on=20 > > the LCD lines leading to occasionaly loss of display!=20 > > >=20 > Hi Soriris did'nt know you had a 220a. The one I got from Oz althohgh=20 > vry badly packed was working fine and the backlight is still working=20 > along with the memories must have been lucky then! It's been back to=20 > Melbourne since :- >=20 >=20 > http://www.m1ctk.v21hosting.co.uk/magic693.htm=20 Hi Dave=20 Yes I have a metrosound 400, a Sony ST-JX220A and a TEAC T30 system=20 (complete with the amplifier)...=20 Waiting some walkman from CC right now :)=20 Yes I think you 're lucky getting yours completely working... however I=20 repeired everything on mine (also the BU battery yesterday) at my=20 lab... Tested also with the RF generators and works flawlessly now :)=20 While we are onte JX220A subject...=20 Does anyone knows how I can make it switch over 9khz and 10khz step?=20 I've heard is possible...=20 Have located the diodes matrix inside (near the uPU just next to BU=20 battery) but don't knowing the system table for them..=20 A schematic could help...=20 Anyone out there??? ;)=20 regards Sotiris Pdmtr GREECE=20 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 13 15:54:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16324 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2006 23:54:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2006 23:54:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2006 23:54:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2006 23:54:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2006 23:54:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:54:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.250.60.183 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Fwd: re: Sony ST-JX220A Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=Hk_NPWBxajghkAycBHp5gSKL4foTph-ln0KY9LNEFyhUvgZt_w X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > While we are onte JX220A subject...=20 > Does anyone knows how I can make it switch over 9khz and 10khz > step?=20 > I've heard is possible...=20 I believe the trick is to hold down the "+" tuning button while=20 turning it on. This works with any digital-tuning Sony AM Stereo=20 tuner from the '80s. No need to make any changes to the circuitry! However this does not change the whistle notch filter... if your=20 tuner was originally designed for 9 kHz tuning, then switching it to=20 10 kHz tuning will still have the notch filter set to 9 kHz, so it=20 won't be effective at silencing 10 kHz carrier whistles -- and vice- versa when switching a factory-set 10 kHz model to 9 kHz channel=20 spacing (the filter remains set to 10 kHz). From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Mon Feb 13 16:20:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54434 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2006 00:20:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2006 00:20:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2006 00:20:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2006 00:20:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2006 00:20:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:20:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.43.228.32 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: OpenGeek on AM Stereo (and IBOC, Sirius, etc.) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=8vaHoZmIOwalQk4uUU1WmdNEho_cC9TvCjhrfUoyKUaC3CXluylz X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Kevin, You write: >The FM IBOC samples are of course much better than the AM IBOC,=20 >but still suffer from annoyingly artificial treble harmonics,=20 >especially in Peter Frampton's voice.=20=20 In my opinion, Eureka DAB samples sounded best, followed by=20 KGON-FM HD, KKRZ-FM HD, KWJJ FM HD, KEX-AM HD, then the two FM HD streams from WUSN-FM, and lastly, the highly compressed analog=20 sound from KNRK-FM. For the FM HD streaming audio "killer application" feature, iBiquity or the stations need to implement a compandor that=20 compresses the audio upon transmission, and expands the audio at reception. This would require a software (or firmware upgrade to existing HD radios in the market place). I did not hear significant artifacts, though the audio bandwidth was significantly reduced for all FM HD multi-streams.=20 For comparison, listen to these CFCO-AM air check samples=20 recorded from Meduci AMX-2000 analog C-QuAM high fidelity tuner=20 directly to computer sound card, without any enhancement. This=20 tuner was located approximately 60 miles northwest from CFCO's=20 transmitter, and not in the main lobe (there is approximately 7kW aiming northwest from CFCO's daytime antenna array). A simple untuned unity gain AM loop antenna was used.=20=20=20=20 Try directly clicking here (you should not need password to listen): http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/files/upload-here- please/CFCO-02-03-06-meduci-amx2000_1.mp3 http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/files/upload-here- please/CFCO-02-03-06-meduci-amx2000_2.mp3 http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/files/upload-here- please/CFCO-02-03-06-meduci-amx2000_3.mp3 http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/files/upload-here- please/CFCO-02-03-06-meduci-amx2000_4.mp3 http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/files/upload-here- please/CFCO-02-03-06-meduci-amx2000_5.mp3 http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/files/upload-here- please/CFCO-02-03-06-meduci-amx2000_6.mp3 http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/files/upload-here- please/CFCO-02-03-06-meduci-amx2000_7.mp3 http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/files/upload-here- please/CFCO-02-03-06-meduci-amx2000_8.mp3 =20=20=20 From jimbo@burgan.net Mon Feb 13 17:09:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57603 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2006 01:09:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2006 01:09:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm29.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.60) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2006 01:09:44 -0000 Received: from pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (pimout3-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.218]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1E19R5F019191 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:09:27 -0500 X-ORBL: [68.76.216.208] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-76-216-208.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.216.208]) by pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id k1E19c01048790 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:09:43 -0500 Message-ID: <002701c63103$56c96560$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:09:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0607-0, 02/13/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: Waay Off Topic -Video vs Film (Hi Def Reruns) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=XhDLp9sLtnv5y9jgaVr_oJTfxD2UiK3NupbGyP2lZ1i8GjA X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Point of order. Most old shows were "recorded" on 35mm film, not NTSC > video. 35mm film > is a high-definition format. Actually, from the early days of "All In The Family" on, most sitcoms were recorded on NTSC video-tape. Therefore, there will never be hi-def versions of "All In The Family", "Sanford and Sons" or many late 70's or 80's sitcom. It's kind of strange that we will have hi-def versions of Gilligan's Island (even the first season's black and white episodes were produced on 35 mm film so, even though they are B&W, there will still make great hi-def transfers), Partridge Family and I Dream of Jeanie, but we're stuck with NTSC video-tape of Designing Women and Full House and Roseanne. Then, there were those who stayed on 35 mm film throughout their production: Mork & Mindy, M*A*S*H, Happy Days, Mary Tyler Moore, Cheers, Lavern and Shirley and others. -Jim- From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Feb 13 18:21:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53534 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2006 02:21:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2006 02:21:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao10.cox.net) (68.230.241.29) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2006 02:21:46 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060214022004.QLYN20441.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:20:04 -0500 In-Reply-To: <002701c63103$56c96560$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> References: <002701c63103$56c96560$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:21:41 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Waay Off Topic -Video vs Film (Hi Def Reruns) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=K2ZoZMM_8g2JT4zlMZ5rEnWVZr_pCccmCS-YIgPw1KmpllcFiU5IBBp0mzlv X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is an interesting topic. I did not even think about film being superior in this way. It also brings up an interesting point about today's TV vs. yesterday's TV: All in the Family: Classic, but I can't stand watching it any more Sanford and Son: Sucks Gilligan's Island: OK, but certainly not classic Partridge Family: Sucks I Dream of Jeanie: Sucks Designing Women: Never got into it Full House: Sucks Rosanne: Burnt Mork and Mindy: So annoying it REALLY sucks M*A*S*H: Classic, but burnt Happy Days: Decent before Fonzie became a main character, roughly seasons 1 and 2. Sucked after that Mary Tyler Moore: One of the best shows ever. Cheers: Classic Lavern and Shirley: Totally sucked The point? Old TV had as much suck-dom as today's. You're just not finding the shows. And the real classics never get shown on Nick at Night any more anyway ... Richard On Feb 13, 2006, at 5:09 PM, Jim Burgan wrote: > > Point of order. Most old shows were "recorded" on 35mm film, not > NTSC > > video. 35mm film > > is a high-definition format. > > Actually, from the early days of "All In The Family" on, most > sitcoms were > recorded on NTSC video-tape. > Therefore, there will never be hi-def versions of "All In The Family", > "Sanford and Sons" or many late 70's or 80's sitcom. > It's kind of strange that we will have hi-def versions of > Gilligan's Island > (even the first season's black and white episodes were produced on > 35 mm > film so, even though they are B&W, there will still make great hi-def > transfers), Partridge Family and I Dream of Jeanie, but we're stuck > with > NTSC video-tape of Designing Women and Full House and Roseanne. > Then, there were those who stayed on 35 mm film throughout their > production: > Mork & Mindy, M*A*S*H, Happy Days, Mary Tyler Moore, Cheers, Lavern > and > Shirley and others. > -Jim- > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Stereo High performance Digital radio > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Feb 13 18:55:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14624 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2006 02:55:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2006 02:55:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccmmhc92.asp.att.net) (204.127.203.212) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2006 02:55:40 -0000 Received: from your75ojnaappr (12-218-235-200.client.mchsi.com[12.218.235.200]) by sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92) with SMTP id <20060214025532m92001avc8e>; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:55:32 +0000 Message-ID: <009b01c63112$1d7447d0$c8ebda0c@your75ojnaappr> To: References: <002701c63103$56c96560$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:55:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0607-0, 02/13/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 204.127.203.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John / Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Waay Off Topic -Video vs Film (Hi Def Reruns) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=ohqUec-6kO5xp0OgzxksrCCI-Kd7INQwy2pd5qOHVJjdtlQ X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wellllllllll, Opinions are like...well you know. Personally I like most of the shows below, as opposed to what we have now. Thank God for the WB, and how about that UPN !.....................(just kidding) Juan Gualda Mason City, IA All in the Family: Classic, but I can't stand watching it any more Sanford and Son: Sucks Gilligan's Island: OK, but certainly not classic Partridge Family: Sucks I Dream of Jeanie: Sucks Designing Women: Never got into it Full House: Sucks Rosanne: Burnt Mork and Mindy: So annoying it REALLY sucks M*A*S*H: Classic, but burnt Happy Days: Decent before Fonzie became a main character, roughly seasons 1 and 2. Sucked after that Mary Tyler Moore: One of the best shows ever. Cheers: Classic Lavern and Shirley: Totally sucked The point? Old TV had as much suck-dom as today's. You're just not finding the shows. And the real classics never get shown on Nick at Night any more anyway ... Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Mon Feb 13 22:26:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16115 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2006 06:26:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2006 06:26:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm29.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.60) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2006 06:26:46 -0000 Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.203]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1E6Nh5F005350 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:23:43 -0500 X-ORBL: [68.76.216.208] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-76-216-208.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.216.208]) by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id k1E6Ns1f216344 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:23:58 -0500 Message-ID: <002001c6312f$3da49ce0$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <002701c63103$56c96560$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:23:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0607-0, 02/13/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Waay Off Topic -Video vs Film (Hi Def Reruns) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=KOGnL9Zv6bfz2GpCVSJtBmXUzKh_QFiYB9DDGMIvrlZlVmM X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > The point? Old TV had as much suck-dom as today's. You're just not > finding the shows. And the real classics never get shown on Nick at > Night any more anyway ... Interesting... OK, you liked the Mary Tyler Moore Show and the first season or two of Happy Days... are there any other sitcoms that didn't suck? Different strokes.... (not the TV show, just a philosophical point)... -Jim- From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Feb 14 00:12:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98345 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2006 08:12:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2006 08:12:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao10.cox.net) (68.230.241.29) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2006 08:12:34 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060214081050.WUCE20441.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 03:10:50 -0500 In-Reply-To: <002001c6312f$3da49ce0$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> References: <002701c63103$56c96560$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> <002001c6312f$3da49ce0$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <225B958D-C735-48D9-96CB-32F078799A37@cox.net> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:12:27 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Waay Off Topic -Video vs Film (Hi Def Reruns) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=BLgJCglTYXZwzhJFwpRjQMRSCRcjAjutJOGSBRx9bH3bi_3OUFl_rs3GDqa3 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, at the time, I watched many of the shows, including later seasons of Happy Days. But I was much younger. My point, though, was not to trash the old shows; it was to point out that those shows were hardly an example of fine television. There are very few shows that were fine. Many more that I liked, but very few were actually fine. And I know good shows still exist today, with the possible exception of comedies ... I just don't have time to find them. Remember, for every Carol Burnett, there were at least a few Donnie and Maries, Hudson Brothers, and who could forget Sonny and Cher? Terrible, terrible shows. Go through and look at what really was good television in the past. From Dick Van Dyke and I Love Lucy through Seinfeld and Friends ... and later. There are about as many quality shows every year as there always have been, and many, many more awful shows. Even when CBS had the powerhouse Saturday night, it was created after they cancelled such shows as Green Acres, and included All in the Family, Mary Tyler Moore, Bob Newhart and Carol Burnett. Remember the 8:30 show, after All in the Family? I thought not. Remember any shows at all from CBS any other night of the week? I thought not. And let's remember all the other wonderful shows from the past. Alice? CPO Sharkey? the thousands of All in the Family or Mary Tyler Moore spinoffs (Rhoda, anyone?)? Heck, even AITF became the dreadful Archie Bunker's Place. Richard On Feb 13, 2006, at 10:23 PM, Jim Burgan wrote: > > The point? Old TV had as much suck-dom as today's. You're just not > > finding the shows. And the real classics never get shown on Nick at > > Night any more anyway ... > > Interesting... OK, you liked the Mary Tyler Moore Show and the > first season > or two of Happy Days... are there any other sitcoms that didn't suck? > Different strokes.... (not the TV show, just a philosophical > point)... > -Jim- > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Stereo High performance Digital radio > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Feb 14 02:25:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33779 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2006 10:25:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2006 10:25:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.195) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2006 10:25:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 7464 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Feb 2006 10:24:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20060214102430.7462.qmail@web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.4.182.175] by web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:24:30 PST Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:24:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - Feb 17 2009 Analog TV Shutoff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=QDishyxkynvCF9JfiRNilAXjJBnEnoyh8Wjhd2UzUbD1G0_kvtXu X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Don't have that problem here, mine works great. In fact the tuner in it pulls in stations much better and with more clarity than my modern Onkyo. -Kevin --- Richard Wagoner wrote: --------------------------------- Rose colored glasses: There was a LOT of crap back then on television. And, just for the record, the 2000x may have looked good, but the AM tuner was one of the worst ever made. Even the FM wasn't that great. I own two of them. On Feb 12, 2006, at 10:15 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > I agree, television is crap. The only thing I like to > watch is maybe the history channel or a news channel. > Otherwise I just rent movies on DVD and watch those. > I too particularly like the shows from the 60's and > 70's and I was born in 1973. Television had much more > quality programming then. What ever happened to the > variety shows like Ed Sullivan, etc. Well I know he > passed away but whats to say someone else couldn't > come along and have something like that again. He > used to have the best bands of the day, best stunt > acts, theatre, animal tricks, etc. There was > something for everyone in those broadcasts. I wish I > had lived during those times and could have seen it > all new. I think we've moved way too far into this > plastic throw away world. I miss the old televisions > made out of real wood! Now all you get is some > plastic crap that is painted silver to look like > metal. I just think all that modern looking crap is > way too sterile and boring. We need a renaissance of > wood and real chrome. Just look back at an old Sansui > 2000X receiver. Now man those things are beautiful. > Oh well I guess im a younger person (32 y.o.) who > prefers things that are more refined and warm. I mean > come on, even CD players and receivers could be made > with wood casings and real chrome again. They just > won't. > > -Kevin > > > --- Dick W wrote: > > > --------------------------------- > Like Norbert 26, I'm just going to purchase the > converter box. I am not > going to go out and buy new TV sets, particularly with > programming as > boring as it is,. > Dick W. > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Stereo > High performance > Digital radio > > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! > Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Stereo High performance Digital radio > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum SPONSORED LINKS Stereo High performance Digital radio --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Feb 14 02:36:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27479 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2006 10:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2006 10:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.176.244) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2006 10:36:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 67164 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Feb 2006 10:36:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20060214103612.67162.qmail@web25811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.4.182.175] by web25811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:36:12 PST Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:36:12 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.176.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - Feb 17 2009 Analog TV Shutoff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=YBaJtZU4BEBYHEhf2f1UTXBa752oVYcTjhzYQO72W_e6hley_dly X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke That is true about the 35mm film. Film is much better than any video can hope to be. Now heres the problem though. The HD stuff will all be widescreen. How are they going to change it to widescreen when it wasn't shot in it (tv shows). Old movies can be because most of them were shot in widescreen as far back as the late 50s. All those old cinemascopes should look awesome. All those super wide screen movies made back then will look great. I don't know about Star Trek next generation being videotaped. It doesn't look like videotape to me. It looks more like film with the exception of those space sequences that just look like crap compared to the originals which were real models shot on film. I think what might make it seem less like film is that it wasn't a technicolor process and also the colors on that show weren't as vivid as back in the 60s. The reason why is back then color television had just come out and they were using the most strong colors they could to enhance the whole color bandwagon. I do prefer the original star trek because I do like the old technicolor on film and well the stories were just more well thought out. TV today is boring. -Kevin --- narkspud wrote: --------------------------------- --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Norbert 26" wrote: > > I don't watch any of these things they call TV prgrams nowadays. What little TV i watch is old shows from the 60's and 70's and they were all recorded NTSC format. Therefore i have no interest in HD TV. Point of order. Most old shows were "recorded" on 35mm film, not NTSC video. 35mm film is a high-definition format. They've already started upgrading. ABC showed new HD transfers of some of the classic Rankin-Bass Christmas specials this past December. They looked fantastic. Well, fantastic for Japanese-outsourced animation done on the cheap anyway. As costs come down and HD home video formats start catching on, there's going to be a big rush to transfer old film shows to HD. What'll get interesting is when they have to start explaining to consumers why 60s shows done entirely on film (Star Trek Classic) can be upgraded to HD, while 90s shows posted on tape (Star Trek Next Generation) can't. You WILL see HD "Brady Bunch" in your lifetime. We'll just have to disagree on whether that's really any better than the current crop o' crap. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum SPONSORED LINKS Stereo High performance Digital radio --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Feb 14 02:49:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4829 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2006 10:48:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2006 10:48:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.192) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2006 10:48:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 91518 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Feb 2006 10:48:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20060214104847.91516.qmail@web25807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.4.182.175] by web25807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:48:47 PST Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:48:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <009b01c63112$1d7447d0$c8ebda0c@your75ojnaappr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.192 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Waay Off Topic -Video vs Film (Hi Def Reruns) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=-CnVhA8GYImX6t1HGiyBGXyuJhiwwcb02NXFShmaziX-8I1jpX89 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I agree with you Juan. I am only 32 and wasn't around when I Dream of Jeannie was on but I watched it in syndication. That is one of the funniest TV shows that was on TV. I don't see how anyone could like or think this mindless crap on television today was worth watching. -Kevin --- John / Juan Gualda wrote: --------------------------------- Wellllllllll, Opinions are like...well you know. Personally I like most of the shows below, as opposed to what we have now. Thank God for the WB, and how about that UPN !.....................(just kidding) Juan Gualda Mason City, IA All in the Family: Classic, but I can't stand watching it any more Sanford and Son: Sucks Gilligan's Island: OK, but certainly not classic Partridge Family: Sucks I Dream of Jeanie: Sucks Designing Women: Never got into it Full House: Sucks Rosanne: Burnt Mork and Mindy: So annoying it REALLY sucks M*A*S*H: Classic, but burnt Happy Days: Decent before Fonzie became a main character, roughly seasons 1 and 2. Sucked after that Mary Tyler Moore: One of the best shows ever. Cheers: Classic Lavern and Shirley: Totally sucked The point? Old TV had as much suck-dom as today's. You're just not finding the shows. And the real classics never get shown on Nick at Night any more anyway ... Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum SPONSORED LINKS Stereo High performance Digital radio --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2006 11:31:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2006 11:31:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:31:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.43.228.32 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: FA: Fanfare FTA-100 Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=dlTKTsjxM9Bg-QjJZITsMCQd1wfIfArf48DyR1P-OorEcss4InBl X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Marv Southcott, Do you know the true story of how the B&K Electronics TS 108 FM tuner evolved into the Fanfare FT-1 tuner? Both were=20 manufactured in Buffalo, New York. 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Crane (they said that it=20 was received as a sample from Fanfare): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D5865273465 Thank you, Jeff Deck http://Meduci.com http://AMStereoTuner.com http://Radio-Technology.com From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Feb 14 04:01:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26094 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2006 12:01:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2006 12:01:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm29.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.60) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2006 12:01:47 -0000 Received: from pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (pimout3-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.218]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1EC0S5F020076 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:00:28 -0500 X-ORBL: [68.76.216.208] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-76-216-208.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.216.208]) by pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id k1EC0h75198828 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:00:43 -0500 Message-ID: <002601c6315e$48a8b2a0$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <20060214103612.67162.qmail@web25811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:00:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0607-0, 02/13/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - Feb 17 2009 Analog TV Shutoff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=yc3wLgddn_yfOrslGqJ3RRvJP7OUfVrgJ1bJySi-KceKv1o X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > That is true about the 35mm film. Film is much better > than any video can hope to be. Now heres the problem > though. The HD stuff will all be widescreen. How are > they going to change it to widescreen when it wasn't > shot in it (tv shows). They will do what they do now when they show a 1.33:1 on one of the high def channels, they will add blue or black bars on the edges to fill the rest of the screen. > Old movies can be because most > of them were shot in widescreen as far back as the > late 50s. All those old cinemascopes should look > awesome. All those super wide screen movies made back > then will look great. I don't know about Star Trek > next generation being videotaped. It doesn't look > like videotape to me. It looks more like film with > the exception of those space sequences that just look > like crap compared to the originals which were real > models shot on film. I think what might make it seem > less like film is that it wasn't a technicolor process > and also the colors on that show weren't as vivid as > back in the 60s. The Origianl Star Trek servies (Shatner) were filmed with 35mm Technicolor during their entire run. Once it made it into syndication (Star Trek-TOS was the only series that was origianlly broadcast by a network-NBC), it was shipped to stations as 35mm or 16mm prints. Star Trek-The Next Generation was shot with 35mm film, Color by Deluxe. It was syndicated on NTSC Videotape. Star Trek-Deep Space Nine was shot using using Kodak 7298 cammeras (35mm) color type unknown. It was syndicated on NTSC Video tape. Star Trek Voyager was produced the same as Deep Space Nine. > The reason why is back then color > television had just come out and they were using the > most strong colors they could to enhance the whole > color bandwagon. I do prefer the original star trek > because I do like the old technicolor on film and well > the stories were just more well thought out. TV today > is boring. I agree with you on the quality of the original Star Trek series. Although costumes and production value (including FX) were cheesy and showed the very limited budget and resources (remember, Star Wars and ILM were still 11 years away), the Technicolor was great. This has been a fascinating topic, but I will try to get back to AM Stereo now. -Jim- From pdmtr@yahoo.com Tue Feb 14 05:28:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6150 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2006 13:28:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2006 13:28:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2006 13:28:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2006 13:25:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2006 13:25:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:25:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.203.220.220 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: Fwd: re: Sony ST-JX220A Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=O9TaavaLv25b6LSO7C6YATrTg-SO_fHkWpYFd65onpQ X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > While we are onte JX220A subject...=20 > > Does anyone knows how I can make it switch over 9khz and 10khz > > step?=20 > > I've heard is possible...=20 >=20 > I believe the trick is to hold down the "+" tuning button while=20 > turning it on. This works with any digital-tuning Sony AM Stereo=20 > tuner from the '80s. No need to make any changes to the circuitry! >=20 > However this does not change the whistle notch filter... if your=20 > tuner was originally designed for 9 kHz tuning, then switching it to=20 > 10 kHz tuning will still have the notch filter set to 9 kHz, so it=20 > won't be effective at silencing 10 kHz carrier whistles -- and vice- > versa when switching a factory-set 10 kHz model to 9 kHz channel=20 > spacing (the filter remains set to 10 kHz). Thanks Kevin!=20 Yes that "trick" worked at my JX220A...=20 Not really needed at 10KHz (as I'm located at EU and ALL stations I can=20 receive are at 9KHz steps) but more was a need to use it on some test=20 I'm doing on designing a LPAM Stereo PLL transmitter kit! So I need to=20 check it also for US market ;) Regards Sotiris Pdmtr From narkspud@hotmail.com Tue Feb 14 08:20:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82128 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2006 16:20:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2006 16:20:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2006 16:20:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2006 16:19:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2006 16:19:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:19:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002601c6315e$48a8b2a0$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.89.146.146 From: "narkspud" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - Feb 17 2009 Analog TV Shutoff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=RN3fQxnvjpRQhzmsz6Xmcx03qUV0rLoOFmlY2Zq9Z-zvmjU X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: =20 > They will do what they do now when they show a 1.33:1 on one of the high = def=20 > channels, they will add blue or black bars on the edges to fill the rest = of=20 > the screen. Which is exactly what they did with the Christmas specials. When ABC was r= unning=20 promos for the HD airings, the promos were letterboxed, with the top and bo= ttom=20 deliberately masked out. I was very relieved to see that the actual broadc= asts were at the=20 correct ratio. > Star Trek-The Next Generation was shot with 35mm film, Color by Deluxe. = It=20 > was syndicated on NTSC Videotape. > Star Trek-Deep Space Nine was shot using using Kodak 7298 cammeras (35mm)= =20 > color type unknown. It was syndicated on NTSC Video tape. > Star Trek Voyager was produced the same as Deep Space Nine. Shot, yes, but I thought the post production (editing, titles and SFX) was = done standard- definition NTSC. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) I doubt there are enough Trek= kies out there to=20 support redoing the entire editing process in HD. That two-part clip episode of MASH (the newsreel thing) was also transferre= d to NTSC first=20 and then edited (which is why it looks like absolute crap compared to the r= est of the=20 series, given the transfer technology at the time). A HD version of that w= ould be difficult,=20 though not as difficult as ST:TNG, since there's no Romulan fleet to recrea= te. BTW . . . everybody who believes that they're REALLY going to shut off anal= og TV in 2009,=20 raise your hands. Thought so. One thing I learned during my 10 years in t= he broadcast=20 TV industry . . . You can take away freedom, education, jobs, police protec= tion, clean air=20 and water, or whatever and get away with it. But if you mess with people's= TV, you'll be=20 sorry. (Note that they deliberately picked a date right AFTER the Superbow= l.) From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Feb 14 10:12:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66005 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2006 18:12:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2006 18:12:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.222) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2006 18:12:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2006 18:12:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2006 18:12:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2006 18:12:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:12:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.1.55 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: FA: Fanfare FTA-100 Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=yNg_se9AiMZjjNpovgGmi_cY3lMcn116biGvGyPFx1FwNwLI X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jeffdeck2001" =20 wrote: > Speaking of Fanfare products, there is a slightly used Fanfare > FTA-100 tuner being auctioned from C. Crane (they said that it=20 > was received as a sample from Fanfare): >=20 > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D5865273465 I can say with considerable certainty they wouldn't have had a clue=20 about the AMS feature, since the clearest AMS stations that can be=20 received here are 600 CKBD in Vancouver, BC and 1060 CKMX in Calgary,=20 Alberta. Why am I so certain? I live not too far from C.Crane, who are=20 located in Fortuna, CA, just a few miles from me. There are a few X- banders, but mostly pilot-only. I think KFOX is the only X-Bander with=20 actual stereo content, although that's very little of their programming. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Tue Feb 14 18:50:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20454 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2006 02:50:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2006 02:50:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2006 02:50:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2006 02:50:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2006 02:50:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 02:50:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.128.202 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - Feb 17 2009 Analog TV Shutoff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=06yrbBHk0gbq4uj-NE5I-VXRBX-1ae8oXtyiBv4zhDGieiyKNa6img X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: >=20=20 > > They will do what they do now when they show a 1.33:1 on one of the hig= h def=20 > > channels, they will add blue or black bars on the edges to fill the res= t of=20 > > the screen. >=20 > Which is exactly what they did with the Christmas specials. When ABC was= running=20 > promos for the HD airings, the promos were letterboxed, with the top and = bottom=20 > deliberately masked out. I was very relieved to see that the actual broa= dcasts were at=20 the=20 > correct ratio. >=20 > > Star Trek-The Next Generation was shot with 35mm film, Color by Deluxe.= It=20 > > was syndicated on NTSC Videotape. > > Star Trek-Deep Space Nine was shot using using Kodak 7298 cammeras (35m= m)=20 > > color type unknown. It was syndicated on NTSC Video tape. > > Star Trek Voyager was produced the same as Deep Space Nine. >=20 > Shot, yes, but I thought the post production (editing, titles and SFX) wa= s done standard- > definition NTSC. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) I doubt there are enough Tr= ekkies out there=20 to=20 > support redoing the entire editing process in HD. >=20 > That two-part clip episode of MASH (the newsreel thing) was also transfer= red to NTSC=20 first=20 > and then edited (which is why it looks like absolute crap compared to the= rest of the=20 > series, given the transfer technology at the time). A HD version of that= would be=20 difficult,=20 > though not as difficult as ST:TNG, since there's no Romulan fleet to recr= eate. >=20 > BTW . . . everybody who believes that they're REALLY going to shut off an= alog TV in=20 2009,=20 > raise your hands. Thought so. One thing I learned during my 10 years in= the broadcast=20 > TV industry . . . You can take away freedom, education, jobs, police prot= ection, clean air=20 > and water, or whatever and get away with it. But if you mess with people= 's TV, you'll be=20 > sorry. (Note that they deliberately picked a date right AFTER the Superb= owl.) > It's true about Star Trek Next Generation. Although shot on film, in order= to meet air=20 dates and with all the heavy effects work needed for each episode, the film= was scanned to=20 video and the effects composited in that medium. However, the producers us= ed D-5=20 which is a very high quality format so it will look pretty good in HD. It = won't have the look=20 of film but it will look good. But most of the sitcoms of the 70's, particularly the Norman Lear stuff, wa= s shot on video=20 using Plumbicon tube cameras having a resolution that was, at best, about 3= 30 lines. I=20 used to use them and they were a royal headache. As for DTV, I have a perfectly good Sony Wega flat screen analog TV. Since= Congress is in=20 a generous mood and earmarked millions for set top boxes, I think I will ta= ke them up on=20 their offer come 2009 (unless the Wega dies first). db From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Wed Feb 15 01:40:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2283 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2006 09:40:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2006 09:40:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.226) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2006 09:40:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2006 09:40:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2006 09:40:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2006 09:39:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:39:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.43.228.32 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: FA: Fanfare FTA-100 Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=rlnuAJzdRzgdH5C_RiTaQtzUGni3hvCAPqtwcRnYFe0U6Iz7ESvs X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Amy, You write: >I can say with considerable certainty they wouldn't have had a clue=20 >about the AMS feature, since the clearest AMS stations that can be=20 >received here are 600 CKBD in Vancouver, BC and 1060 CKMX in Calgary,=20 This is possible, though I am very curious why the B&K Components TS 108 FM tuner at $398 retail was almost a direct clone in style, features, and design of the discontinued Fanfare FT-1 tuner.=20=20 73, Jeff Deck From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Feb 15 10:44:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9066 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2006 18:44:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2006 18:44:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.163) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2006 18:44:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 96062 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Feb 2006 18:43:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20060215184353.96060.qmail@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:43:53 PST Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:43:53 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1140017169.2269.378.m17@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: OT: Billions and Billions, that's why no more NTSC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=FCQVeDwdTIy61GnLAZpHhsiWLmzFnA35_Ww7CyclQgrtfwhGhYLziDQ X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Narkspud wrote: "I doubt there are enough Trekkies out there to support redoing the entire editing process in HD." Maybe, but there IS enough Trekkers to support an HD "City on the Edge of Forever", "The Trouble With Tribbles" and the two-part episode of 'The Cage'. Regarding the hard cut-off date of February 17, 2009 for NTSC shut-off, I actually think that this will happen as there are too many special interest groups that stand to make a lot of money with the vacated frequencies, and of course they can play the imfamous "national security" BS to get anything that they desire nowadays, whether or not it's related to it at all. Also, the feds will make billions and billions of dollars on selling these frequencies to the highest bidder. (I can still imagine the late greats Carl Sagan or Johnny Carson saying "Billions and Billions" - can't you?) I'm looking forward to getting my 'free' HD to NTSC converter as promised. Maybe I can get an HD radio to CQuam converter from Uncle Sam too??? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From starship_2001@msn.com Wed Feb 15 11:09:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19789 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2006 19:09:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2006 19:09:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.94) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2006 19:09:34 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:09:27 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.12 by BAY106-DAV22.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:09:26 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:09:26 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2006 19:09:27.0698 (UTC) FILETIME=[57738F20:01C63263] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Billions and Billions, that's why no more NTSC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=z2O8YgO7W29eSxFpQCVvJ_1CyMpFbeW6LLMmDlObTiLPF-cuzfaZl0Gebg X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just grabbed a HDTV STB for $42 on the bay . Somthing like this is needed for HD radio as well however i figure take a future walkman type HD device feed it into an AM tereo OR an FM stereo part 15 Xmitter and presto !!! convert and send HD rado to your existing radios. -----Original Message----- From: John P. Sent: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:43:53 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} OT: Billions and Billions, that's why no more NTSC Narkspud wrote: "I doubt there are enough Trekkies out there to support redoing the entire editing process in HD." Maybe, but there IS enough Trekkers to support an HD "City on the Edge of Forever", "The Trouble With Tribbles" and the two-part episode of 'The Cage'. Regarding the hard cut-off date of February 17, 2009 for NTSC shut-off, I actually think that this will happen as there are too many special interest groups that stand to make a lot of money with the vacated frequencies, and of course they can play the imfamous "national security" BS to get anything that they desire nowadays, whether or not it's related to it at all. Also, the feds will make billions and billions of dollars on selling these frequencies to the highest bidder. (I can still imagine the late greats Carl Sagan or Johnny Carson saying "Billions and Billions" - can't you?) I'm looking forward to getting my 'free' HD to NTSC converter as promised. Maybe I can get an HD radio to CQuam converter from Uncle Sam too??? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Wed Feb 15 17:00:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8437 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2006 01:00:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2006 01:00:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccmmhc92.asp.att.net) (204.127.203.212) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2006 01:00:44 -0000 Received: from your75ojnaappr (12-218-235-200.client.mchsi.com[12.218.235.200]) by sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92) with SMTP id <20060216010041m92001caaae>; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:00:41 +0000 Message-ID: <000201c63294$68839400$c8ebda0c@your75ojnaappr> To: References: <002701c63103$56c96560$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> <002001c6312f$3da49ce0$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> <225B958D-C735-48D9-96CB-32F078799A37@cox.net> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:21:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0607-1, 02/14/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 204.127.203.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John / Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Waay Off Topic -Video vs Film (Hi Def Reruns) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=BoO5MFPvAdBYEDPwSEA_huZr4sZTdJOwz2OqHCQsL96a0Sw X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anybody remember "AfterMASH" ? Gary Burghoff appeared for a couple episodes but it was not fun to watch. It had a few of the characters from MASH, but I guess the chemistry wasn't there. I did watch Archie Bunker's Place a couple times, then I couldn't take it anymore. By then the magic was long gone. Juan Gualda Mason City, IA ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Wagoner To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 2:12 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Waay Off Topic -Video vs Film (Hi Def Reruns) Actually, at the time, I watched many of the shows, including later seasons of Happy Days. But I was much younger. My point, though, was not to trash the old shows; it was to point out that those shows were hardly an example of fine television. There are very few shows that were fine. Many more that I liked, but very few were actually fine. And I know good shows still exist today, with the possible exception of comedies ... I just don't have time to find them. Remember, for every Carol Burnett, there were at least a few Donnie and Maries, Hudson Brothers, and who could forget Sonny and Cher? Terrible, terrible shows. Go through and look at what really was good television in the past. From Dick Van Dyke and I Love Lucy through Seinfeld and Friends ... and later. There are about as many quality shows every year as there always have been, and many, many more awful shows. Even when CBS had the powerhouse Saturday night, it was created after they cancelled such shows as Green Acres, and included All in the Family, Mary Tyler Moore, Bob Newhart and Carol Burnett. Remember the 8:30 show, after All in the Family? I thought not. Remember any shows at all from CBS any other night of the week? I thought not. And let's remember all the other wonderful shows from the past. Alice? CPO Sharkey? the thousands of All in the Family or Mary Tyler Moore spinoffs (Rhoda, anyone?)? Heck, even AITF became the dreadful Archie Bunker's Place. Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Feb 15 17:41:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48217 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2006 01:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2006 01:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm12.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.43) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2006 01:41:27 -0000 Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.203]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1G1eKVR031100 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:40:20 -0500 X-ORBL: [68.76.216.208] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-76-216-208.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.216.208]) by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id k1G1eFug091870 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:40:20 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c63299$f2e88e70$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <20060215184353.96060.qmail@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:40:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0607-1, 02/14/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Billions and Billions, that's why no more NTSC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=NHV0j4KuSL30ic71e2aQfM6v048avIAUaN2V1xd-ucGHUAs X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Narkspud wrote: "I doubt there are enough Trekkies out there to > support redoing the entire editing process in HD." The problem isn't with Trekkies.. the problem is with Paramount. They are always taking the cheapest way out. Star Trek fans have poured billions into their coffers, yet they keep taking the cheapest avenues and the highest prices. I am an avid fan of the original Star Trek series, as well as Voyager. I also like Next Generation, but I never got into it like TOS and Voyager. The problem is, while every other television program on earth is selling for $39.99 per season (even programs like Dallas/Dukes Hazard) that had 30 episodes in the early seasons), Star Trek, Next Generation and Voyager are priced at over $100 (at Wal Mart). I own nearly 500 DVDs including over 3 dozen TV sets, but I will not pay that much for Star Trek. From mtgc@hotmail.com Thu Feb 16 11:14:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74945 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2006 19:14:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2006 19:14:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.50) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2006 19:14:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:13:54 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:13:52 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <000f01c63299$f2e88e70$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:13:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2006 19:13:54.0295 (UTC) FILETIME=[20C4C870:01C6332D] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Billions and Billions, that's why no more NTSC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=sgRNsdODqSefBVv9HTsNnWBzndptG54hIF7iwOOM893AfxXTt4jA X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Amen!! Michael >From: "Jim Burgan" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Billions and Billions, that's why no more NTSC >Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:40:16 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.43 >X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net >Received: from n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.52]) by >bay0-mc8-f2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 15 >Feb 2006 20:20:35 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 >Feb 2006 01:41:30 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 >Feb 2006 01:41:30 -0000 >Received: (qmail 48217 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2006 01:41:27 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >16 Feb 2006 01:41:27 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm12.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.43) by >mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2006 01:41:27 -0000 >Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-int.prodigy.net >[207.115.4.203])by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with >ESMTP id k1G1eKVR031100for ; Wed, 15 Feb >2006 20:40:20 -0500 >Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-76-216-208.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net >[68.76.216.208])by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey >aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id k1G1eFug091870for ; >Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:40:20 -0500 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEoq5FsbUpmlOY6QUgK6n/rrj92yvRM0so= >Comment: DomainKeys? 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(VPS 0607-1, 02/14/2006), Outbound message >X-Antivirus-Status: Clean >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 >X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >List-Id: >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-22665-1140054089-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2006 04:20:35.0818 (UTC) >FILETIME=[55963CA0:01C632B0] > > > > > Narkspud wrote: "I doubt there are enough Trekkies out there to > > support redoing the entire editing process in HD." > >The problem isn't with Trekkies.. the problem is with Paramount. They are >always taking the cheapest way out. Star Trek fans have poured billions >into their coffers, yet they keep taking the cheapest avenues and the >highest prices. >I am an avid fan of the original Star Trek series, as well as Voyager. I >also like Next Generation, but I never got into it like TOS and Voyager. >The problem is, while every other television program on earth is selling >for >$39.99 per season (even programs like Dallas/Dukes Hazard) that had 30 >episodes in the early seasons), Star Trek, Next Generation and Voyager are >priced at over $100 (at Wal Mart). >I own nearly 500 DVDs including over 3 dozen TV sets, but I will not pay >that much for Star Trek. > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Feb 17 20:52:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47982 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2006 04:52:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2006 04:52:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2006 04:52:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 46443 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Feb 2006 04:52:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20060218045243.46441.qmail@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.240.145.98] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:52:43 PST Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:52:43 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: HD Radio not working in Detroit Suburbs and no AM HD in some buildings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=TYQjXTZ91KLEKUF264zYPgtwQfTKJY2yO__PyvFUKRayAMg_Ix2SCiw X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Although HD is the latest in technology, there are a few hiccups Susan Whitall / The Detroit News February 16, 2006 If you're one of the few, the brave, the techno-geeky, and you own a high-definition radio, you know what that means. You may be in the forefront of the latest radio technology, but it's like having a crystal set in the early days of the 20th century. Your co-workers persist in thinking you're talking about satellite radio, you spin the dial desperately seeking HD-2 stations, and there are the inevitable little glitches of first-generation technology. One issue some listeners are having with the Boston Acoustics HD Receptor radio is that if they live in a distant suburb, it's sometimes harder to tune in to the Detroit stations than with a cheap old (analog) radio. Mike Kernen , chief engineer of Greater Media , had a similar problem with his HD radio, since he lives in a far pocket of Macomb County. Kernen says the antenna that comes with the Boston Acoustics radio works best if you live in the city or in a closer suburb. I've had no trouble with mine, living in a near suburb. Future models of the radio probably will deal with this issue. Meanwhile, if you live in a far suburb, Kernen recommends buying an antenna made by Terk (available at Crutchfield.com) which has a built-in amplifier. Once you have the new antenna, it's important to move it as far away from the radio as you can. The car radios that have HD don't seem to have issues with distance from Detroit. Greater Media has a van outfitted with a Kenwood HD unit. "The Kenwood is outstanding," Kernen says. "It works with AM and FM, it never seems to drop out or fade. Of course it's got an antenna out on the fender, and it's outside" Another common question is, will the new HD AM signals penetrate buildings that the regular, analog AM signal wouldn't? Alas, no. If you can't get an AM signal right now, you won't be able to get the HD AM signal either. Of Detroit's AM stations, WXYT-AM (1270) broadcasts in HD already. WDFN-AM (1130) plans to be broadcasting in HD within 60 days, and WJR-AM (760) sometime this year. WJR operations manager Steve Stewart reports the station's engineers are in the process of installing the equipment to broadcast in HD, but they haven't got a launch date for the service yet. One way to tune in to AM at work is via FM, when one of the new multi-cast channels broadcasts an AM sister station's programming. CBS-owned WKRK-FM-2 does that with WWJ-AM (950). Thus, all WWJ content can be heard on the AM dial, or -- if you have an HD radio -- on FM as well. Up to now, buying an HD radio has been a challenge. While most car audio dealers carry the Kenwood HD radio, the Boston Acoustics model is still not available in local stores; you have to buy it online. Crutchfield.com, jr.com or npr.org are a few places online to buy it. Some good news: The price was cut to $299, putting the radio within reach of more consumers. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Feb 18 01:44:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36248 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2006 09:44:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2006 09:44:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.190) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2006 09:44:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 62657 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Feb 2006 09:44:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20060218094423.62655.qmail@web25805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.4.182.175] by web25805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 01:44:23 PST Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 01:44:23 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060218045243.46441.qmail@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio not working in Detroit Suburbs and no AM HD in some buildings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=5y1oRj85GbQgjNrgGLe5CtVvWKQzO37qiXXnVZA0YbuKpj2yVD3Z X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I wouldn't want a table radio for HD. I'd want a component that was connected to a stereo system. Don't think mono has much to offer for music. If I went HD radio it better be on a component receiver and it better work! -Kevin --- "John P." wrote: --------------------------------- Although HD is the latest in technology, there are a few hiccups Susan Whitall / The Detroit News February 16, 2006 If you're one of the few, the brave, the techno-geeky, and you own a high-definition radio, you know what that means. You may be in the forefront of the latest radio technology, but it's like having a crystal set in the early days of the 20th century. Your co-workers persist in thinking you're talking about satellite radio, you spin the dial desperately seeking HD-2 stations, and there are the inevitable little glitches of first-generation technology. One issue some listeners are having with the Boston Acoustics HD Receptor radio is that if they live in a distant suburb, it's sometimes harder to tune in to the Detroit stations than with a cheap old (analog) radio. Mike Kernen , chief engineer of Greater Media , had a similar problem with his HD radio, since he lives in a far pocket of Macomb County. Kernen says the antenna that comes with the Boston Acoustics radio works best if you live in the city or in a closer suburb. I've had no trouble with mine, living in a near suburb. Future models of the radio probably will deal with this issue. Meanwhile, if you live in a far suburb, Kernen recommends buying an antenna made by Terk (available at Crutchfield.com) which has a built-in amplifier. Once you have the new antenna, it's important to move it as far away from the radio as you can. The car radios that have HD don't seem to have issues with distance from Detroit. Greater Media has a van outfitted with a Kenwood HD unit. "The Kenwood is outstanding," Kernen says. "It works with AM and FM, it never seems to drop out or fade. Of course it's got an antenna out on the fender, and it's outside" Another common question is, will the new HD AM signals penetrate buildings that the regular, analog AM signal wouldn't? Alas, no. If you can't get an AM signal right now, you won't be able to get the HD AM signal either. Of Detroit's AM stations, WXYT-AM (1270) broadcasts in HD already. WDFN-AM (1130) plans to be broadcasting in HD within 60 days, and WJR-AM (760) sometime this year. WJR operations manager Steve Stewart reports the station's engineers are in the process of installing the equipment to broadcast in HD, but they haven't got a launch date for the service yet. One way to tune in to AM at work is via FM, when one of the new multi-cast channels broadcasts an AM sister station's programming. CBS-owned WKRK-FM-2 does that with WWJ-AM (950). Thus, all WWJ content can be heard on the AM dial, or -- if you have an HD radio -- on FM as well. Up to now, buying an HD radio has been a challenge. While most car audio dealers carry the Kenwood HD radio, the Boston Acoustics model is still not available in local stores; you have to buy it online. Crutchfield.com, jr.com or npr.org are a few places online to buy it. Some good news: The price was cut to $299, putting the radio within reach of more consumers. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum SPONSORED LINKS Stereo High performance Digital radio --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From oldphones@webtv.net Sat Feb 18 05:51:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72200 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2006 13:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2006 13:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3201.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.136) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2006 13:51:30 -0000 Received: from storefull-3332.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3201.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id C1BF0D658; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 05:51:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3332.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id FAA07959; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 05:51:04 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQdI9XJUXZIb+PzU8c96slxqr654QIVAIGSQflmbn12xPXpqkvQ8Msb4i4D Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 07:51:04 -0600 To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <24467-43F72648-16897@storefull-3332.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Chris Black" 's message of Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:00:55 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Need Help!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783; y=s_js85XB9nbX5HSxHkQMi2elQdY4rbj9jqii97pBhnIUNYmglA X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 I have a Sony SRF-A100 Am stereo/ Fm Stereo portable. As many of you may know this mid 80's vintage radio and is an excellent DXing radio on AM. It can recieve AM Stereo broadcasts as well. I have had this happen once about 3 years ago. I changed batteries ( 3 aa cells) and the radio is dead, no power I am reasonably sure the new batteries are inserted the correct direction, and on the SRF I use the good Eveready batteries, NOT the cheap dollar store ones.. The last time it happened I concluded that I put the cells in back ward. I can only get the radio to work on the AC adapter power supply which is a Sony AC-120W which I fortunately have. This radio is showing its age, But I use this radio daily and it's now over twenty years old. I can also "tell" when KFAB has their Iboc on with this radio. Anybody run across this problem OR have any ideas?? Bill Snyder - Omaha, NE Oldphones@ webtv. net cell (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 593-6841 Omaha, Nebraska I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items, and a lot more!! http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Feb 18 08:07:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7140 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2006 16:07:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2006 16:07:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2006 16:07:31 -0000 Received: from fl-71-54-181-197.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.54.181.197] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FAUao-0004Jr-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:05:54 -0500 Message-ID: <007001c634a5$325187d0$6505a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060218094423.62655.qmail@web25805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:05:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio not working in Detroit Suburbs and no AM HD in some buildings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=7Zf3cGSQfTWA7vrkvpQZdDaTMs7WxGYQ6Y4ZZWonhwKV9X2QEsYWrvPCX3kyLQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: >If I went HD radio it better be on a component receiver and it better work! I think it will be a while before that happens. Since most radio listening is done in the car, Car radios will come first from the radio manufacturers. because the second largest radio audience is listening to table top and portables, they will come next. Home HD receivers will be last in development. Another problem is Car and portable radios have smaller speakers that mask many of the digital artifacts from the digital compression. On a good High-End system, HD would have so much listener fatigue issues, it wouldn't be worth buying. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From orxata_d_xufa@yahoo.es Sat Feb 18 09:20:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: orxata_d_xufa@yahoo.es X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72144 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2006 17:20:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2006 17:20:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2006 17:20:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2006 17:20:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2006 17:20:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:20:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <24467-43F72648-16897@storefull-3332.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 81.202.99.190 From: "orxata_d_xufa" Subject: Re: Need Help!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192122520; y=riKCZLvhzs_xm46alytWKA3tRpd7dvwKTfk6cjkcf5V5y6jNx9S1Xw X-Yahoo-Profile: orxata_d_xufa Doesn't look a serious issue,check the batteries contacts.Also check the DC jack,they usually disconnect batteries when you plug the AC adaptor,an maybe the swinging contact is dusty or loose. Isma --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, oldphones@... wrote: > > I have a Sony SRF-A100 Am stereo/ Fm Stereo portable. > the radio is dead, no power=20 > I can only get the radio to work on the AC adapter power supply > which is a Sony AC-120W which I fortunately have > Anybody run across this problem OR have any ideas??=20 From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Feb 18 13:15:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48565 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2006 21:15:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2006 21:15:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30014.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.217) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2006 21:15:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 75394 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Feb 2006 21:15:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20060218211515.75392.qmail@web30014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.216.203] by web30014.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:15:15 PST Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:15:15 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060218094423.62655.qmail@web25805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.217 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio not working in Detroit Suburbs and no AM HD in some buildings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=jQ1j7_iS_z1LOK4OJ57yjdcT597FLhkAOY0OnahlAQ0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > I wouldn't want a table radio for HD. I'd want a > component that was connected to a stereo system. > Don't think mono has much to offer for music. If I > went HD radio it better be on a component receiver > and > it better work! > -Kevin Unlike the analog Receptor, the HD version IS stereo. The cheap little wire they give you does NOT work well even on my analog Receptor. The HD unit does have line outputs. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From oldphones@webtv.net Sat Feb 18 13:17:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73016 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2006 21:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2006 21:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3201.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.136) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2006 21:17:19 -0000 Received: from storefull-3332.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3201.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 22813D6E7; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:17:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3332.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id NAA17051; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:17:13 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAzU6AhXi/T2Gg/4aiIQlfRJ69GsYCFDwZcF8WhHOewyvskRap9s8e2Zkh Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:17:13 -0600 To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <24471-43F78ED9-12711@storefull-3332.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Brett Saylor 's message of Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:06:41 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: [ABDX] Radio Shack on the brink of collapse X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783; y=7cM1CxkJY8OiZg7CerjGcIk85cZVHuA_2cmT2HFkklpNtdqXnw X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The stories on the seeming "fall" of Radio Shack seems to be happening all over. I have been at the same electronic store for 6 plus years and the component parts end of the business keeps declining... WE have a 1/3 of the parts I used to have... Most are low price, low profit margin items, and many supplier(s) keep raising minimum order levels making it increasing difficult to order small items. I can still order components provided we have a sale for them, and IF there is still availability. On stock items, parts that show little or NO movement over a year or so simply aren't reordered. Also consider that a lot of newer consumer items are basically throw-a-way items if they break, quit AND are not easily repaired, There seems to be Less and less people that can repair electronic gear at the component level, this hurts also. Many of the older techs, hams, Broadcast Engineers are retired or have passed away.... Just within the last year >> the other old line electronic store in town closed up for good, and the last local Ham Radio store also closed up shop also. Doesn't leave me with very secure feelings...... Belive me, I DON'T like this turn of events, but this is the reality. Most parts never had a lot of profit in them, And the Internet and Mail Order has killed the over the counter electronics business. I still do what I can to help out customers, But my resources are increasingly limited.... Fortunately, at where I work we seem to be doing okay selling wholesale appliances, TV's, and related items. HD TV's are selling well. We are also a wholesale supplier of Dish Network equipment to contracted dealers. I have had to learn to sell washers, dryers, stoves, refrigerators, etc.... and I handle warranty issues as well. WE used to install and service car audio until about 3 years ago, when we lost our Ford contract. The radio end of the business was the main reason I signed up.... Bill S. Omaha Oldphones@ webtv. net cell (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 593-6841 Omaha, Nebraska I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items, and a lot more!! http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Feb 18 13:58:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49802 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2006 21:58:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2006 21:58:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2006 21:58:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2006 21:58:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2006 21:58:52 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:58:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060218211515.75392.qmail@web30014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.222.232 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio not working in Detroit Suburbs and no AM HD in some buildings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=rGr8kI24LAafwyfDQOWnqtENEOeUfwNaVWq19_QxedKn5IiI8Q X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics People in the NYC suburbs are reporting similar reception problems=20 with the Boston Acoustics IBOC radio. On both AM and FM, it takes a=20 very strong, stable signal in order to successfully decode the IBOC=20 audio. It has very good analog AM/FM reception, but digital "HD"=20 reception just isn't possible except in ideal conditions. Add in the=20 numerous quality control problems (such as various malfunctions=20 requiring you to unplug and "reboot" the radio) and the Boston=20 Acoustics HD Radio seems to be a very poor way to introduce IBOC to=20 the non-automotive consumer market. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Feb 18 14:05:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79234 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2006 22:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2006 22:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30014.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.217) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2006 22:05:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 91804 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Feb 2006 22:05:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20060218220548.91802.qmail@web30014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.216.203] by web30014.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:05:48 PST Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:05:48 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.217 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio not working in Detroit Suburbs and no AM HD in some buildings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=xyht6rm3h1jyv0UzW6g8ma5DySU7rYWOe72hn7M7WtA X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > People in the NYC suburbs are reporting similar > reception problems > with the Boston Acoustics IBOC radio. On both AM > and FM, it takes a > very strong, stable signal in order to successfully > decode the IBOC > audio. It has very good analog AM/FM reception, but > digital "HD" > reception just isn't possible except in ideal > conditions. I sent them an email telling them when they were first getting ready to make it, they needed a much larger ferrite bar for the AM. Add in the > numerous quality control problems (such as various > malfunctions > requiring you to unplug and "reboot" the radio) and > the Boston > Acoustics HD Radio seems to be a very poor way to > introduce IBOC to > the non-automotive consumer market. There simply is NO excuse for this. But if it's made in China, that can be the reason. Harris is having SEVERE problems with their FM Dextar exciters. One of the CC clusters here went through 4 before the exciter would work. Made in China. The 5th one required some "work" on it before it would operate. If you are going to offer a product to the public, it needs to work. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From tomray@wor710.com Sun Feb 19 08:10:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67795 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2006 16:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2006 16:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.223) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2006 16:10:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n3.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2006 16:10:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2006 16:10:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2006 16:10:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:10:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: HD Radio not working in Detroit Suburbs and no AM HD in some buildings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=bx2uqVpB2bhqb5sRx2iR-DPFsfA8USd4n_9ipoIz5MG0_bNZ X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > People in the NYC suburbs are reporting similar reception problems=20 > with the Boston Acoustics IBOC radio. On both AM and FM, it takes a=20 > very strong, stable signal in order to successfully decode the IBOC=20 > audio. It has very good analog AM/FM reception, but digital "HD"=20 > reception just isn't possible except in ideal conditions. Add in the=20 > numerous quality control problems (such as various malfunctions=20 > requiring you to unplug and "reboot" the radio) and the Boston=20 > Acoustics HD Radio seems to be a very poor way to introduce IBOC to=20 > the non-automotive consumer market. > The conditions in my office are far from ideal, with interference caused by building systems all over the AM band, and with considerable multipath on all FM stations from Empire. Using the simple loop AM antenna enclosed with the BA, I get WOR-HD, WNYC-HD, and WADO-HD with no problems. Using the enclosed wire antenna, I can grab all the FM stations HD signals. All are stable. Under less than ideal conditions. The unit in the General Manager's office, right next door to mine, is able to pull in AM HD with the built in AM antenna. I will agree on the reboot. We have two units at the station now, and I've had to reboot both. Then again, that's what you get when you put a computer in the radio. But this is a new frontier. I recall my first car with computer control under the hood....and having to reboot it a couple of times, until the manufacturer had a more stable processing module available. Nothing like being out in the cold and getting under the hood of the car to unplug and replug the computer module late at night. Tom Ray WOR From kya1260@lycos.com Sun Feb 19 10:13:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30951 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2006 18:13:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2006 18:13:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2006 18:13:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id DD1D5180013C for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:11:46 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 19 Feb 2006 18:11:47 -0000 Received: by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 95A1DE5BC7; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:11:45 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: yipeitsdjj@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:11:45 -0800 Received: from [69.109.104.97] by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:11:45 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060219181145.95A1DE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Radio Shack on the brink of collapse X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=Z3XEqra8xmJRIAlVUCAazU_BWkW-1YbBuIWTi-p9TzPLvKaa0w X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ We just lost a great 'old line' electronics store in Vallejo, CA: Zackit Electronics. Was around for decades.=20 Yet "Electronics Plus" in San Rafael, about 25 miles away, appears=20 as if it's still holding its own. Has heavy customer traffic... You're right, Bill...most of what we buy now are made on the=20 lowest-common denominator, and it's more expensive to fix than it=20 was to buy it. I suppose that's how we keep the economy going -=20 why maintain an item by getting a few spare parts to fix, like the=20 old days when you used to check your vacumm tubes at the nearby Thrifty Drug Store tube check stand, when you should now buy a=20 replacement? Sad... Radio Shack mentioned in a Associated Press byline: "Their 18-month plan includes replacing older, slower moving=20 merchandise within higher growth categories, and concentrating=20 its efforts and investment in improving top-performing stores."=20 Goodbye, spare parts, wire, and other lesser-sellinmg items... Hello, mass-produced (or mess-produced), faster-selling consumer products... And on top of all this, in a similar article from the Dallas Morning News: The disappointing financial results capped a week in which=20 Radio Shack's board of directors said it would hire an=20 independent counsel to investigate C E O David Edmondson's=20 portrayal of his academic credentials.=20 On Wednesday, Edmondson admitted that his resume contained=20 "erroneous information" after a report by The Fort Worth=20 Star-Telegram questioned whether he had received a college=20 degree.=20 Edmondson has maintained that he received a theology degree=20 from an unaccredited California institution called=20 Pacific Coast Baptist Bible College, which later relocated=20 to Oklahoma and renamed itself Heartland Baptist Bible College.=20 Edmondson apologized in a statement Wednesday evening and=20 again during the session yesterday.=20 In a subsequent conference call with reporters, a Radio Shack=20 official cut off questioning about the controversy after=20 reporters grilled Edmondson on his ethics.=20 Edmondson is awaiting trial in April on a driving=20 while intoxicated charge. Yet internally, the people that promoted him to C E O last year should've used a bit more scrutiny, let alone when he became Rad Shack President in 2000. What does this tell you about the management of Rad Shack? Like you said, Bill, "I DON'T like this turn of events, but=20 this is the reality." --jay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: oldphones@webtv.net > To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Radio Shack on the brink of collapse > Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:17:13 -0600 >=20 > The stories on the seeming "fall" of Radio Shack seems to be happening > all over. I have been at the same electronic store for 6 plus years > and the component parts end of the business keeps declining... WE have a > 1/3 of the parts I used to have... Most are low price, low profit > margin items, and many supplier(s) keep raising minimum order levels > making it increasing difficult to order small items. I can still order > components provided we have a sale for them, and IF there is still > availability. On stock items, parts that show little or NO movement > over a year or so simply aren't reordered. >=20 > Also consider that a lot of newer consumer items are basically > throw-a-way items if they break, quit AND are not easily repaired, There > seems to be Less and less people that can repair electronic gear at the > component level, this hurts also. Many of the older techs, hams, > Broadcast Engineers are retired or have passed away.... >=20 > Just within the last year >> the other old line electronic store in > town closed up for good, and the last local Ham Radio store also closed > up shop also. Doesn't leave me with very secure feelings...... Belive > me, I DON'T like this turn of events, but this is the reality. Most > parts never had a lot of profit in them, And the Internet and Mail > Order has killed the over the counter electronics business. I still > do what I can to help out customers, But my resources are increasingly > limited.... >=20 > Fortunately, at where I work we seem to be doing okay selling > wholesale appliances, TV's, and related items. HD TV's are selling well. > We are also a wholesale supplier of Dish Network equipment to contracted > dealers. I have had to learn to sell washers, dryers, stoves, > refrigerators, etc.... and I handle warranty issues as well. > WE used to install and service car audio until about 3 years ago, when > we lost our Ford contract. The radio end of the business was the main > reason I signed up.... > Bill S. Omaha >=20 >=20 > Oldphones@ webtv. net cell (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 593-6841 > Omaha, Nebraska > I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and > wiring items, and a lot more!! > http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage >=20 > http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 > ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! >=20 --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From jimbo@burgan.net Sun Feb 19 17:40:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72696 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2006 22:00:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2006 22:00:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm29.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.60) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2006 22:00:26 -0000 Received: from pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (pimout3-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.218]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1JM075F007197 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:00:07 -0500 X-ORBL: [68.76.216.208] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-76-216-208.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.216.208]) by pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id k1JM0KN5141920 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:00:25 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c6359f$e3a6f600$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <20060219181145.95A1DE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:00:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0607-2, 02/16/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Radio Shack on the brink of collapse X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=ycGx8WMpJ2t6nE1W_TGyIuUfPlvd4WAluWMy1GBKRkf9Tj8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 There was an electronics store a block from where I work. I spent $4,000 there last year buying IC's, connectors and cable. This place had been in business since 1952. They locked the doors the day after Thanksgiving. We bought a bunch of their inventory. I spent another $2,000 buying cable, connectors and other goodies at Radio Shack last year (not counting personal purchases). The days of having someone knowledgeable about electronics at Radio Shack are long gone. If you don't know what you need, you won't find anyone with electronics knowledge at Radio Shack to help. Over the past 2 years, they have squeezed their electronics parts/wire into a very small corner of the store. They just finished remodeling the Radio Shack closest to me and it is now about 60% Cell Phones, 10% POTS phones, 10% Home Theater/Stereo, 10% Batteries and 10% everything else. According to what I've read, most of Radio Shack's income has been cell phone activations, so we will probably see more cell hones and less of everything else. As someone else posted... we've become a throw-away society. We no longer fix anything. Sad to contemplate.... -Jim- From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Feb 19 19:04:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35266 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2006 03:04:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2006 03:04:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.88) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2006 03:04:39 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:04:36 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.54.181.197 by BAY101-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 03:04:33 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:04:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2006 03:04:36.0501 (UTC) FILETIME=[61ACAC50:01C635CA] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Fw: [amstereo] Power-side Tops Fla. Engineer's List X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=tJAk4oW0zDBszSi6RnCsO8mhCY_KwjygVe-U4YOJPh6IR9qxgkynOJHlgYqBHg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 2:37 AM Subject: [amstereo] Power-side Tops Fla. Engineer's List > Kahn System Enables Extended Listening Area and Increased Coverage in > Interference-Prone Areas..... > > The full story at: > > http://www.rwonline.com/reference-room/iboc/2006.03.01-02_rwrf_march_1_part_2_new.shtml > > Comments?... > > > Bob Carter - KC4QLP > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Mid-Atlantic-Engineering-Services of Utica NY / Elizabeth City NC > > http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice > WKVU-FM Utica/Rome NY, WKVJ-FM Dannemora/Plattsburg NY, WRCS-AM Ahoskie NC > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > ====================================================================<<< > Whatever you Wanadoo, click below: > http://ads.smartgroups.com/adclick/CID=000000b7c79a99a500000000 > ====================================================================>>> > -- > If you want to share pictures, use the calendar, or start a vote > visit http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/AMStereo > > To leave the Group, email: AMStereo-unsubscribe@smartgroups.com > > Report abuse > http://www.smartgroups.com/text/abusereport.cfm?gid%3D2559410&mid%3D1011 > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Feb 19 19:05:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28722 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2006 03:05:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2006 03:05:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.86) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2006 03:05:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:05:12 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.54.181.197 by BAY101-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 03:05:10 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: Cc: References: <217.13192a42.3126d750@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:05:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2006 03:05:12.0308 (UTC) FILETIME=[77046340:01C635CA] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: [amstereo] Power-side Tops Fla. Engineer's List X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=wUSungvfguszBqOxjprUnu-xS_y7Hn2Eh62RbqGUEpwlWA7ZzqSOt2B8-Fb-fw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob Carter wrote: > Comments?... Kahn makes AM broadcast equipment that works. His KAHN-ISB AM Stereo system was far superior than the system that became the world standard (Using stolen KAHN technology). Kahn's audio processing boxes were way ahead of their time. The Power-Side system can be a life saver for a station that has issues with interference issues and can make a station sound louder on manual tuned radios. Kahn has now developed CAM-D that appears to have taken the Power-Side system to the next level, making the analog signal even better than Power-Side while allowing 10 channels of digital data and restoring AM to 15KC bandwidth in Stereo for CAM-D radios while causing no degradation of the signal on legacy analog AM radios. So far, the only station that was not satisfied with CAM-D was KRVN. It should be noted that KRVN was the only station that did not have Kahn's engineers to set it up. From what I have heard with my own ears is Power-Side can make some transmitters, such as RCA Ampliphase and Harris PDMs sound nastier. Power-Side's benefits are most noticed on manual tuned radios, and most car radios made now are Digital tuned. My main objection to the Kahn system is how it is being marketed as a "Magic Box" to "Band-Aid" patch bigger problems with a station's plant such as poorly designed antenna farms, poor grounding system, re-radiation, and poorly performing transmitters. I think Kahn, as well as his clients would be better served if his engineers got the stations to fix their other problems THEN use the Kahn boxes to "Blow a hole in the dial". Stations broadcasting in the CAM-D system could very well find they are the ONLY stations in their market with a loud, bright signal while their competition has muffled, fuzzy sound on the analog side of their HD-Radio signals. Many PowerSide stations are in the PowerSide mode just because the FCC made them switch their exciters to Mono. With just a flip of a switch they could be back in full KAHN-ISB Stereo. The FCC should allow ISB Stereo to be used in the United States. I hope the FCC does not screw Kahn again. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon Feb 20 17:17:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+N+tM+60+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29962 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2006 01:17:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2006 01:17:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2006 01:17:31 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.66]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 58081699 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:16:38 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c63685$76770660$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <217.13192a42.3126d750@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:23:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 6, in=10, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.66 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [amstereo] Power-side Tops Fla. Engineer's List X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=tVFwjoEBGFEFzX-u--vD099YSQ1PjO3xHIy_PBTz36mdvfnW3sPV X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > Bob Carter wrote: > > Comments?... > > Kahn makes AM broadcast equipment that works. His KAHN-ISB AM Stereo system was far superior than the system that became the world standard (Using stolen KAHN technology). Kahn's audio processing boxes were way ahead of their time. The Power-Side system can be a life saver for a station that has issues with interference issues and can make a station sound louder on manual tuned radios. Kahn has now developed CAM-D that appears to have taken the Power-Side system to the next level, making the analog signal even better than Power-Side while allowing 10 channels of digital data and restoring AM to 15KC bandwidth in Stereo for CAM-D radios while causing no degradation of the signal on legacy analog AM radios. Kahn claims most of his ideas get stolen. Anyhoo- even if Powerside can help a station's coverage, it shouldn't hold true for ISB stereo, since the concentration of the sideband energy goes away. If CAM-D is approved, you'll have the unenviable position of playing catch-up, and only the SRF-A100 and a handful of first generation stuff that barely exists anymore will be able to decode it for current listeners. That said, I do like it for the fact it doesn't trash adjacent signals. > > So far, the only station that was not satisfied with CAM-D was KRVN. It should be noted that KRVN was the only station that did not have Kahn's engineers to set it up. It was a cobbled-together prototype that was definitely not ready for prime time. > > From what I have heard with my own ears is Power-Side can make some transmitters, such as RCA Ampliphase and Harris PDMs sound nastier. Power-Side's benefits are most noticed on manual tuned radios, and most car radios made now are Digital tuned. And since most radio listening is done in the car you really don't have that much advantage, if any. Any idea of how many PDM transmitters are out there? Probably most of the ones in use today are PDM of one sort or another. > > My main objection to the Kahn system is how it is being marketed as a "Magic Box" to "Band-Aid" patch bigger problems with a station's plant such as poorly designed antenna farms, poor grounding system, re-radiation, and poorly performing transmitters. I'll fully agree with you on this point. It's something stations need to take care of whether they go IBOC, CAM-D or Moto. [snip] > > Many PowerSide stations are in the PowerSide mode just because the FCC made them switch their exciters to Mono. With just a flip of a switch they could be back in full KAHN-ISB Stereo. The FCC should allow ISB Stereo to be used in the United States. I hope the FCC does not screw Kahn again. > Motorola has its problems, but at least the technology was sufficiently developed that many of the earlier shortcomings were eliminated or ameliorated. Their technology is out in the marketplace right now whereas Kahn is a virtual no-show. I know that the Motorola chips can be made to decode Kahn with sufficient wiring and component changes. Care to write up an article on how to do it, PH? Scott Todd From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Feb 20 19:08:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28199 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2006 03:08:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2006 03:08:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2006 03:08:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2006 03:08:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2006 03:08:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 03:08:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002401c63685$76770660$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.27.162 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: [amstereo] Power-side Tops Fla. Engineer's List X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=HZc-lavZ0ZYSe31iQMYf4YgUJ-xcE2_PIzoMfev7BHhBSGSU X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: >=20 > Kahn claims most of his ideas get stolen What I wanna know is what he thinks got stolen, since as far as I can=20 tell, nothing Motorola ever did in the creation of C-QUAM was all that=20 original, eand even predates any ideas I've seen of his. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Feb 20 19:18:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11020 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2006 03:18:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2006 03:18:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2006 03:18:49 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:18:49 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.54.181.197 by BAY101-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 03:18:45 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: Cc: References: <217.13192a42.3126d750@aol.com> <002401c63685$76770660$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:18:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2006 03:18:49.0203 (UTC) FILETIME=[88566C30:01C63695] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [amstereo] Power-side Tops Fla. Engineer's List X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=HlqCYgh97JOfNvqytjJRgU819EWZb0jB4hGFAf17eRL5hvKdvoYKjpKfXTzHSw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott Todd wrote: > even if Powerside can help a station's coverage, it shouldn't hold true for ISB stereo, since the concentration of the sideband energy goes away. One would think so, but when WQXR was in Kahn ISB Stereo, the selective fading and QRM was nowhere near as bad as it was when the station converted to C-QUAM. Now that the station is broadcasting Dizz-Knee in Mono, It sounds worse then it did when in ISB, even on a mono radio. > > If CAM-D is approved, you'll have the unenviable position of playing catch-up, and only the SRF-A100 and a handful of first generation stuff that barely exists anymore will be able to decode it for current listeners. Still, there are more ISB compatible radios out there in the general public than there are HD-Radios! With ISB, you could hear separation just by tuning the left radio off to the Lower Sideband and the right radio off to the Upper sideband. > >That said, I do like it for the fact it doesn't trash adjacent signals. The whole idea with the KAHN system is you can hear the improvement of CAM-D on the millions of legacy AM radios out there today, then you can upgrade to a CAM-D radio and have your socks blown off. With HD-Radio, Analog radio reception suffers greatly in Signal to noise ratio and bandwidth, then when you get a HD-Radio receiver, you get "Real Audio" quality sound. > > Any idea of how many PDM transmitters are out there? Probably most of the ones in use today are PDM of one sort or another. The PowerSide box only seems to nasty up the Harris SX line of PDM transmitters. Since these transmitters are not compatible with HD-Radio or DRM, they will have to be replaced no matter what digital system is used. At least, the Kahn CAM-D system will not obsolete most of the tube transmitters that are on the air. > > Motorola has its problems, but at least the technology was sufficiently developed that many of the earlier shortcomings were eliminated or ameliorated. True, but the KAHN ISB system did not have these shortcomings to start with. > > Their technology is out in the marketplace right now whereas Kahn is a virtual no-show. I would venture to say there are more stations in the United States broadcasting in Power-Side then there are in C-QUAM. > > I know that the Motorola chips can be made to decode Kahn with sufficient wiring and component changes. AFAIK The Motorola chips cannot be made to detect the 15Hz Kahn ISB Stereo pilot, so they would have to be used in the "Forced Stereo" mode. Why bother wiring a Motorola chip for ISB anyway? If you tuned to a Power-Side or CAM-D station, you would just hear the Mono audio in the left or right channel. The only stations broadcasting in ISB Stereo are a couple of Part 15s and a few stations that their Kahn exciters had the mode switch flipped from PowerSide to Stereo by accident. Anyway, if you want to use a Motorola chip for ISB, this link will show you how: http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsgil/AM-Stereo/ Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 20 22:43:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69434 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2006 06:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2006 06:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2006 06:43:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2006 06:43:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2006 06:43:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:43:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.245.76 From: "Kevin T." Subject: {AMSF} Re: [amstereo] Power-side Tops Fla. Engineer's List X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=3cl1GGHy1WqrWuzk7UMojJE6c3AxVSpGvnxyA8-MPLaW1ap6xw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > True, but the KAHN ISB system did not have these shortcomings to > start with. One inherent shortcoming with any Kahn system is the way it uses=20 phase shifting to get an ISB-type effect out of a phase-modulated=20 signal. This type of phase shifting causes peak overshoot, which=20 renders useless any peak modulation control (i.e. limiting/clipping)=20 prior to the Kahn box. Kahn's solution to this is to include=20 clipping within his box and to tell you not to use any clipping in=20 your audio processing ahead of it. This does solve the problem of peak overshoots, but renders the Kahn=20 box a non-transparent device and requires you to completely readjust=20 your audio processing, versus what sounds fine through regular mono=20 AM or C-Quam Stereo -- and it leaves you at the mercy of Kahn's=20 clipping, which definitely isn't as sophisticated as what an Optimod=20 can do. WWRL does sound very good for a Power-Side station, but=20 that's probably because Leonard Kahn himself has tweaked their=20 equipment. Many other Power-Side stations tend to sound rather=20 grungy and distorted on the air, probably because they are using too=20 much clipping prior to the Kahn box and/or are hitting Kahn's clipper=20 too hard. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Feb 20 23:37:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70228 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2006 07:37:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2006 07:37:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.93) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2006 07:37:53 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:37:51 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.41 by BAY106-DAV21.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:37:51 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:37:50 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2006 07:37:51.0979 (UTC) FILETIME=[B88DD3B0:01C636B9] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.93 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: WWBF a.m. stereo, Bartow, FL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=d4TJIoa6mNZKryCUy9fkSxefNICHkQnA5sTrCWdxIyR9ZBjdTDXfZAUrOzU X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is some good news, from where I live, I don't always get (most of the time I don't) get a stereo pilot for WWBF, Bartow. Today, I was passing through Bartow and there are in fact still am-stereo. I called them and spoke to Jeff Thornburg (his family has owned WWBF since the late 1980's) and he is not satisfied with the sound and separation, but trust me, it's good, maybe not up to his expectations, but heads and shoulders over any other am stations and certainly sounds as good or better as the fm stations. It was nice to see the pilot light light up on my Panasonic (Japanese model) boom box. I was riveted to listen to Susie Q by Credence Clearwater Revival, a song I normally wouldn't listen to, but the separation and depth made me want to listen to the whole song; gee I had forgotten how great a.m. stereo is. In my part of the world, this is the only station I can ever get in AM stereo, 10 years ago, I had a choice of at least 6 am stereo stations that I can remember offhand. (five of which I could always get a strong enough signal to trigger the am stereo pilot light.) Commercial radio has certainly come a long way (down) since then. Less choices, less music, but more commercials and infomercials and dead air. From where I am, I cannot pick up any am stereo at night; too far south to pick up any Canadian stations, too much interference from the massively powerful Cuban stations to pick up the few a.m. stereo stations from the east. Donn 27.761 latitude north (St. Petersburg,FL) btw- Jeff, don't know if I ever told you, but believe it or not at night, I was picking up WWBF in Stuart, Florida at night, here in St. Petersburg, I have never been able to receive your station at night. Granted, it was fading in and out in Stuart, but I was amazed. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Tue Feb 21 04:17:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72979 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2006 12:17:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2006 12:17:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.62) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2006 12:17:17 -0000 Received: from [4.247.124.110] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FBWS2-0007iM-DH for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:17:07 -0500 Message-ID: <380-220062221121717375@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.116.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:17:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc62307bfa72c02a1087e698a68a4a0420350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: RE: {AMSF} WWBF a.m. stereo, Bartow, FL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=sLT3IjAaVFnldEnLYF4_Smyr9Aa84mxSTDZEONSl-uEHmQ In addition to the other information he has provided, Donn's comments regarding a locally-owned AM station show why we've lost a lot by allowing so much multiple-station ownership in each market. Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Donn Tillman > To: > Date: 2/21/2006 2:37:55 AM > Subject: {AMSF} WWBF a.m. stereo, Bartow, FL > > Here is some good news, from where I live, I don't always get (most of the time I don't) get a stereo pilot for WWBF, Bartow. > > Today, I was passing through Bartow and there are in fact still am-stereo. > > I called them and spoke to Jeff Thornburg (his family has owned WWBF since the late 1980's) and he is not satisfied with the sound and separation, but trust me, it's good, maybe not up to his expectations, but heads and shoulders over any other am stations and certainly sounds as good or better as the fm stations. > > It was nice to see the pilot light light up on my Panasonic (Japanese model) boom box. > > I was riveted to listen to Susie Q by Credence Clearwater Revival, a song I normally wouldn't listen to, but the separation and depth made me want to listen to the whole song; gee I had forgotten how great a.m. stereo is. > > In my part of the world, this is the only station I can ever get in AM stereo, 10 years ago, I had a choice of at least 6 am stereo stations that I can remember offhand. (five of which I could always get a strong enough signal to trigger the am stereo pilot light.) > > Commercial radio has certainly come a long way (down) since then. Less choices, less music, but more commercials and infomercials and dead air. > > From where I am, I cannot pick up any am stereo at night; too far south to pick up any Canadian stations, too much interference from the massively powerful Cuban stations to pick up the few a.m. stereo stations from the east. > > Donn > 27.761 latitude north > (St. Petersburg,FL) > > btw- Jeff, don't know if I ever told you, but believe it or not at night, I was picking up WWBF in Stuart, Florida at night, here in St. Petersburg, I have never been able to receive your station at night. Granted, it was fading in and out in Stuart, but I was amazed. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Feb 21 04:29:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55199 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2006 12:29:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2006 12:29:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2006 12:29:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2006 12:28:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2006 12:28:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:28:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <380-220062221121717375@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.27.162 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WWBF a.m. stereo, Bartow, FL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=hnoGurnY7FiebBO5Mvdz0J9ZIjwYU442sZlzbhhAMgPBOaBj X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > In addition to the other information he has provided, Donn's comments > regarding a locally-owned AM station show why we've lost a lot by=20 allowing > so much multiple-station ownership in each market.=20=20 Truly the biggest affront to the diversity of one of our avenues of=20 freedom of speach and expression had to be the 1996 Telecommunications=20 Act. I blame EVERYBODY for that fiasco. :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Tue Feb 21 04:38:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51605 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2006 12:38:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2006 12:38:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2006 12:38:16 -0000 Received: from [4.247.124.110] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FBWlX-0001L1-5d for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:37:15 -0500 Message-ID: <380-220062221123727562@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.116.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:37:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc61d14d3a12a34abc3aeda1e6659a771d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} WWBF a.m. stereo, Bartow, FL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=UQgcm2WXch93hdjANvMNeT0Jzpk5bMFeoW5vtsGv7dGXVQ In the paper (yesterday, I think), there was a short article quoting a Republican senator or representative who announced that he is going to propose legislation that will further expand the number of stations that a corporation can own in a market. Unbelieveably, he said that this change will promote diversity! Presuming that he is sincere, it's amazing how people can see what they want to see - Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Amy Mousie > To: > Date: 2/21/2006 7:29:22 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WWBF a.m. stereo, Bartow, FL > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > > > In addition to the other information he has provided, Donn's comments > > regarding a locally-owned AM station show why we've lost a lot by > allowing > > so much multiple-station ownership in each market. > > Truly the biggest affront to the diversity of one of our avenues of > freedom of speach and expression had to be the 1996 Telecommunications > Act. I blame EVERYBODY for that fiasco. :( > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Feb 21 10:39:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94005 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2006 18:39:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2006 18:39:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.162) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2006 18:39:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 45657 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Feb 2006 18:39:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20060221183905.45655.qmail@web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:39:05 PST Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:39:05 -0800 (PST) To: AMstereo 2004 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Audiocubes Feedback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=w-mZFh9WqgsUnqZbB-APoA82sSsk3b5RjNN60d-PCgLDMFLoAyui620 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hey Guys: Need your feedback on ordering radios from AudioCubes. Question #1: Does any of the three radios exhibit 'platform motion' or do any of them have a 3rd generation AMSt chips in them? The Aiwa portables have a platform motion issue, so I'm wondering if the new Sony's have this same issue? Question #2: Which has the best frequency response: SRF-AX51V, SRF-AX15, SRF-A300? IIRC, the A300 was 'boomy' with good bass and poor treble. Question #3: Does anybody have all 3? How do they compare to the SRF-A100 or SRF-A42? Question #4: Shipping charges/timing; payment; customer service? Thanks! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Tue Feb 21 13:58:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13166 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2006 21:58:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2006 21:58:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-MTAout5.csiro.au) (150.229.64.42) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2006 21:58:53 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.56]) by vic-MTAout5.csiro.au with ESMTP; 22 Feb 2006 08:58:49 +1100 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,135,1139144400"; d="scan'208"; a="69548292:sNHT30027780" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:58:49 +1100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:58:49 +1100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Audiocubes Feedback Thread-Index: AcY3Fh7m3BCuc+z3So6sdEMwsN91cgAGvoUA To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2006 21:58:49.0789 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF0216D0:01C63731] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.64.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Audiocubes Feedback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=Urh8yNkYLmb0CV7iao7TO5sn_-8q-uM376x7n141WaJc -----Original Message----- From: Johnny Electron. > Hey Guys: Need your feedback on ordering radios from AudioCubes.=20=20 Johnny, I've bought 5 bonza little SRF-AX51Vs and am very happy with them. They haven't quite the treble range of the SRF-42 but hardly ever exhibit platform motion. They are such a good size and the FM section is much better than the SRF-42. Ian From mtgc@hotmail.com Tue Feb 21 17:25:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74059 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 01:25:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2006 01:25:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.20) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2006 01:25:53 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:25:52 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 01:25:49 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <002401c63685$76770660$d503fea9@stodd> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:25:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2006 01:25:52.0925 (UTC) FILETIME=[EBC634D0:01C6374E] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" Subject: Getting Ready To Put An AM Stereo Signal On The Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=h_jXJRuSNaH2bPHsr3Dzxf9xq-zx9pZWSFOYeiK4axKUoksfC4ce X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Fine people of this forum, I need a bit of help. I have one of the CQuam units that will put out 100mw and it is wired up to an antenna and ready to go. What I need is a program or some other form of software (did I just say the same thing twice??) to run on my PC that I can use to drive this unit. Does anyone have any suggestions. The software would need to be "shareware", as I operate pretty much on a very frayed shoestring these days. Thanks in advance, Michael From frankh@habu.dtdns.net Tue Feb 21 18:30:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: frankh@habu.dtdns.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61356 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 02:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2006 02:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO habu.dtdns.net) (216.231.42.28) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2006 02:30:53 -0000 Received: from naha.habu.dtdns.net ([192.168.0.4]) by habu.dtdns.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k1M2UqkU028804 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:30:52 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060221180536.03485788@habu.dtdns.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:30:52 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: <002401c63685$76770660$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 216.231.42.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Frank Hansche Subject: Re: {AMSF} Getting Ready To Put An AM Stereo Signal On The Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78221270; y=E13eRtg2yMdKw6FBev7oFTszZXQJeu9MauAUAgxr4tAZyP4OEbEK X-Yahoo-Profile: frankh192000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are a couple of good shareware automation systems. One is Sonicart, www.babyfishmouth.co.uk, and the other is Zararadio, www.zararadio.com. Sonicart is a complete system, with a CD ripper, playback module and a scheduling module. It's interface is based on a multiple slot cart machine and can be run as a full automation or a live-assist program. Zararadio is a very complete automation system that will play mp3's, and play from the soundcard line-in or the internet. The program has a powerful event scheduler that allows file playback at specific times. Zararadio has a slightly steeper learning curve because it's more complex and because the help file is in Spanish. The help file has been translated though, and is available here: http://mram.50webs.com/zararadio.htm, This package doesn't have a ripper, so CDex is a good CD ripping package. Either package will do a good job of playing back mp3's. Neither package takes a powerful PC to run. For mp3 playback, Sonicart is perfectly ok. It will play through a list of files and will shuffle them so the sequence isn't repeated. Zararadio has a shuffle mode and a randomize mode, too. I've been running East Hill AM1700 with Zararadio, although, right now I'm using SAM. The only reason is that I'm taking a program from the net which is in Windows Media format and Zararadio won't play it back. Once I put in a satellite dish to pick up the audio, I'll go back to Zararadio. Frank At 05:25 PM 2/21/2006, you wrote: >Fine people of this forum, I need a bit of help. I have one of the CQuam >units that will put out 100mw and it is wired up to an antenna and ready to >go. What I need is a program or some other form of software (did I just say >the same thing twice??) to run on my PC that I can use to drive this unit. >Does anyone have any suggestions. The software would need to be >"shareware", as I operate pretty much on a very frayed shoestring these >days. > >Thanks in advance, > >Michael > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > >SPONSORED LINKS >Stereo >High >performance >Digital >radio > > >---------- >YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > * Visit your group > "amstereoforum" on the web. > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > >---------- > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/266 - Release Date: 2/21/2006 Frank Support Community Radio! www.easthillradio.com ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/266 - Release Date: 2/21/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Tue Feb 21 18:46:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80467 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 02:46:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2006 02:46:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2006 02:46:55 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:46:54 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 02:46:53 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060221180536.03485788@habu.dtdns.net> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:46:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2006 02:46:54.0763 (UTC) FILETIME=[3DA7CFB0:01C6375A] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Getting Ready To Put An AM Stereo Signal On The Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=rEIY_c9eA3oGQFG6Lk6zkzcRCBAG1yx_e7JrtCCCH6C1IS9H5m13 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Thanks very much, I will investigate both. By the way, the address for the translated zararadio help file does not work for me. Michael >From: Frank Hansche >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Getting Ready To Put An AM Stereo Signal On The Air >Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:30:52 -0800 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 216.231.42.28 >X-Sender: frankh@habu.dtdns.net >Received: from n9a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.43]) by >bay0-mc10-f7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 21 >Feb 2006 18:31:33 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb >2006 02:30:55 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.106] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 >Feb 2006 02:30:55 -0000 >Received: (qmail 61356 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 02:30:53 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >22 Feb 2006 02:30:53 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO habu.dtdns.net) (216.231.42.28) by >mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2006 02:30:53 -0000 >Received: from naha.habu.dtdns.net ([192.168.0.4])by habu.dtdns.net >(8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k1M2UqkU028804for >; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:30:52 -0800 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHjJx36Oi8+Z3TmmkSEdPtfpLB7P/ybN8= >Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; >d=yahoogroups.com;b=VklmrE670in1YNmdsbbLytgmFOJYZVNry7HK728IINjzsHz0db0RVVnQTDyM9QGH6VRu6tsfjA6ATiJFy8xBqU2xSg3TLa/ci2FpjZc1eU33VDdZMi6TcuBspd6sUO2t; >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 >References: <002401c63685$76770660$d503fea9@stodd> > >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 >X-Yahoo-Profile: frankh192000 >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >List-Id: >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-22692-1140575455-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2006 02:31:33.0257 (UTC) >FILETIME=[18652790:01C63758] > >There are a couple of good shareware automation systems. One is >Sonicart, www.babyfishmouth.co.uk, and the other is Zararadio, >www.zararadio.com. > >Sonicart is a complete system, with a CD ripper, playback module and >a scheduling module. It's interface is based on a multiple slot cart >machine and can be run as a full automation or a live-assist program. > >Zararadio is a very complete automation system that will play mp3's, >and play from the soundcard line-in or the internet. The program has >a powerful event scheduler that allows file playback at specific >times. Zararadio has a slightly steeper learning curve because it's >more complex and because the help file is in Spanish. The help file >has been translated though, and is available >here: http://mram.50webs.com/zararadio.htm, This package doesn't >have a ripper, so CDex is a good CD ripping package. > >Either package will do a good job of playing back mp3's. Neither >package takes a powerful PC to run. For mp3 playback, Sonicart is >perfectly ok. It will play through a list of files and will shuffle >them so the sequence isn't repeated. Zararadio has a shuffle mode >and a randomize mode, too. > >I've been running East Hill AM1700 with Zararadio, although, right >now I'm using SAM. The only reason is that I'm taking a program from >the net which is in Windows Media format and Zararadio won't play it >back. Once I put in a satellite dish to pick up the audio, I'll go >back to Zararadio. > >Frank > >At 05:25 PM 2/21/2006, you wrote: > > >Fine people of this forum, I need a bit of help. I have one of the CQuam > >units that will put out 100mw and it is wired up to an antenna and ready >to > >go. What I need is a program or some other form of software (did I just >say > >the same thing twice??) to run on my PC that I can use to drive this >unit. > >Does anyone have any suggestions. The software would need to be > >"shareware", as I operate pretty much on a very frayed shoestring these > >days. > > > >Thanks in advance, > > > >Michael > > > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > > > > >SPONSORED LINKS > >Stereo > >High > >performance > >Digital > >radio > > > > > >---------- > >YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > * Visit your group > > "amstereoforum" on the web. > > * > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > * > > >amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > * > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > > Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > >---------- > > > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/266 - Release Date: >2/21/2006 > > >Frank >Support Community Radio! >www.easthillradio.com > ---------- > > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/266 - Release Date: 2/21/2006 > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kjones_731@yahoo.com Tue Feb 21 18:49:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kjones_731@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26006 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 02:49:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2006 02:49:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.226) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2006 02:49:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 02:49:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 02:49:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 02:49:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 02:49:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.223.171.118 From: "kjones_731" Subject: Antenna Design X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=58737040; y=b3nMKLu3de6ySGkT_U9th5yJG8ZsstXHcf8R_msBOQ9mVLZNiQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kjones_731 Has anyone looked at this atenna design and built one. I would be=20 curious what the range would be. I did build one of their 100MW=20 transimtters and it puts out a good clean sold AM Mono signal with=20 good coverage of 300 + feet. the link is=20=20 http://www.sstran.com/pages/sstran_ant_dwg_pl.html.=20=20 From kjones_731@yahoo.com Tue Feb 21 18:54:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kjones_731@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30932 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 02:54:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2006 02:54:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web81908.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.187) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2006 02:54:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 52974 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Feb 2006 02:54:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20060222025404.52972.qmail@web81908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.223.171.118] by web81908.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:54:04 PST Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:54:04 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kirk Jones Subject: Re: {AMSF} Antenna Design X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=58737040; y=VWcWkLT8tji0QoWsCvkqjJnLqSJ1mSOH3YQkysIpr83fe0StPw X-Yahoo-Profile: kjones_731 Sorry for the bad address, just go to their main page and scroll down to the antenna plan link. thanks --- kjones_731 wrote: > Has anyone looked at this atenna design and built > one. I would be > curious what the range would be. I did build one of > their 100MW > transimtters and it puts out a good clean sold AM > Mono signal with > good coverage of 300 + feet. the link is > http://www.sstran.com/pages/sstran_ant_dwg_pl.html. > > > > > > From frankh@habu.dtdns.net Tue Feb 21 18:58:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: frankh@habu.dtdns.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68994 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 02:58:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2006 02:58:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO habu.dtdns.net) (216.231.42.28) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2006 02:58:30 -0000 Received: from naha.habu.dtdns.net ([192.168.0.4]) by habu.dtdns.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k1M2wPkU028890 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:58:25 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060221185527.035b4e68@habu.dtdns.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:58:26 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.0.16.2.20060221180536.03485788@habu.dtdns.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 216.231.42.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Frank Hansche Subject: Re: {AMSF} Getting Ready To Put An AM Stereo Signal On The Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78221270; y=BbsqEZru2m53g7oZe5P0yOy-kF3tBxU7rDTrjuKAAWnsu0VvLEJe X-Yahoo-Profile: frankh192000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://mram.50webs.com/zararadio.htm Here it is again. I put a comma at the end and Eudora put it into the URL. Frank At 06:46 PM 2/21/2006, you wrote: >Thanks very much, I will investigate both. By the way, the address for the >translated zararadio help file does not work for me. > >Michael > > > >From: Frank Hansche > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Getting Ready To Put An AM Stereo Signal On The Air > >Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:30:52 -0800 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >X-Originating-IP: 216.231.42.28 > >X-Sender: frankh@habu.dtdns.net > >Received: from n9a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.43]) by > >bay0-mc10-f7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 21 > >Feb 2006 18:31:33 -0800 > >Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb > >2006 02:30:55 -0000 > >Received: from [66.218.66.106] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 > >Feb 2006 02:30:55 -0000 > >Received: (qmail 61356 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 02:30:53 -0000 > >Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; > >22 Feb 2006 02:30:53 -0000 > >Received: from unknown (HELO habu.dtdns.net) (216.231.42.28) by > >mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2006 02:30:53 -0000 > >Received: from naha.habu.dtdns.net ([192.168.0.4])by habu.dtdns.net > >(8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k1M2UqkU028804for > >; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:30:52 -0800 > >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHjJx36Oi8+Z3TmmkSEdPtfpLB7P/ybN8= > >Comment: DomainKeys? See > http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys > >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; > >d=yahoogroups.com;b=VklmrE670in1YNmdsbbLytgmFOJYZVNry7HK728IINjzsHz > 0db0RVVnQTDyM9QGH6VRu6tsfjA6ATiJFy8xBqU2xSg3TLa/ci2FpjZc1eU33VDdZMi6TcuBspd6sUO2t; > >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email > >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 > >References: <002401c63685$76770660$d503fea9@stodd> > > > >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 > >X-Yahoo-Profile: frankh192000 > >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact > >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com > >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >List-Id: > >Precedence: bulk > >List-Unsubscribe: > >Return-Path: > >sentto-4085512-22692-1140575455-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2006 02:31:33.0257 (UTC) > >FILETIME=[18652790:01C63758] > > > >There are a couple of good shareware automation systems. One is > >Sonicart, www.babyfishmouth.co.uk, and the other is Zararadio, > >www.zararadio.com. > > > >Sonicart is a complete system, with a CD ripper, playback module and > >a scheduling module. It's interface is based on a multiple slot cart > >machine and can be run as a full automation or a live-assist program. > > > >Zararadio is a very complete automation system that will play mp3's, > >and play from the soundcard line-in or the internet. The program has > >a powerful event scheduler that allows file playback at specific > >times. Zararadio has a slightly steeper learning curve because it's > >more complex and because the help file is in Spanish. The help file > >has been translated though, and is available > >here: > http://mram.50webs.com/zararadio.htm, > This package doesn't > >have a ripper, so CDex is a good CD ripping package. > > > >Either package will do a good job of playing back mp3's. Neither > >package takes a powerful PC to run. For mp3 playback, Sonicart is > >perfectly ok. It will play through a list of files and will shuffle > >them so the sequence isn't repeated. Zararadio has a shuffle mode > >and a randomize mode, too. > > > >I've been running East Hill AM1700 with Zararadio, although, right > >now I'm using SAM. The only reason is that I'm taking a program from > >the net which is in Windows Media format and Zararadio won't play it > >back. Once I put in a satellite dish to pick up the audio, I'll go > >back to Zararadio. > > > >Frank > > > >At 05:25 PM 2/21/2006, you wrote: > > > > >Fine people of this forum, I need a bit of help. I have one of the CQuam > > >units that will put out 100mw and it is wired up to an antenna and ready > >to > > >go. What I need is a program or some other form of software (did I just > >say > > >the same thing twice??) to run on my PC that I can use to drive this > >unit. > > >Does anyone have any suggestions. The software would need to be > > >"shareware", as I operate pretty much on a very frayed shoestring these > > >days. > > > > > >Thanks in advance, > > > > > >Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > ><http://groups.yahoo > .com/group/amstereoforum>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >SPONSORED LINKS > > >< rformance&w3=Digital+radio&c=3&s=53&.sig=1wFmf_tyKfXH_4Ewl7IDNg>http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Stereo&w1=Stereo&w2=High+performance&w3=Digital+radio&c=3&s=53&.sig=1wFmf_tyKfXH_4Ewl7IDNg>Stereo > > >< w2=High+performance&w3=Digital+radio&c=3&s=53&.sig=zYx5U-GnyGqw_b-ziqd7Mg>http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=High+performance&w1=Stereo&w2=High+performance&w3=Digital+radio&c=3&s=53&.sig=zYx5U-GnyGqw_b-ziqd7Mg>High > > >performance > > >< High+performance&w3=Digital+radio&c=3&s=53&.sig=YXTlhTk9SbzwSLsrCy-jJQ>http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Digital+radio&w1=Stereo&w2=High+performance&w3=Digital+radio&c=3&s=53&.sig=YXTlhTk9SbzwSLsrCy-jJQ>Digital > > >radio > > > > > > > > >---------- > > >YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > * Visit your group > > > > "<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum>amstereoforum" > on the web. > > > * > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > * > > > > > be>amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > * > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > > > > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>Yahoo! > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > >---------- > > > > > > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > > >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > >Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/266 - Release Date: > >2/21/2006 > > > > > >Frank > >Support Community Radio! > >www.easthillradio.com > > ---------- > > > > > > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. > >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/266 - Release Date: 2/21/2006 > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > >SPONSORED LINKS >Stereo >High >performance >Digital >radio > > >---------- >YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > * Visit your group > "amstereoforum" on the web. > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > >---------- > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/266 - Release Date: 2/21/2006 Frank Support Community Radio! www.easthillradio.com ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/266 - Release Date: 2/21/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 21 21:50:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49132 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 05:50:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2006 05:50:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2006 05:50:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 05:49:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 05:49:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 05:49:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060221183905.45655.qmail@web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.245.76 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Audiocubes Feedback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=ixEsbah8TnQHCy_hrnRwsCNI1wfrW8rtTegd2v8zKqINBkMIzg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Question #2: Which has the best frequency response: SRF-AX51V, > SRF-AX15, SRF-A300? IIRC, the A300 was 'boomy' with good bass and > poor treble. My SRF-A300 sounds best when heard through a pair of Sony earbuds.=20=20 These earbuds claim to be "Mega Bass" but they are actually very=20 treble-heavy. On normal radios they sound very tinny, but they=20 magically balance out the SRF-A300's bass-heavy sound, and provide a=20 surprisingly rich, clear, full-range audio response from its AM Stereo tuner. It's not quite full AMAX response like the SRF-42,=20 but you will hear the difference if a station is taking advantage of=20 the full 10 kHz NRSC audio bandwidth, and the SRF-A300 has less=20 distortion than the SRF-42, particularly on old wide-separation=20 recordings where the bass is only in the left or right channel. From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Wed Feb 22 04:59:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38943 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 12:58:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2006 12:58:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.51.25) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2006 12:58:57 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 04:57:22 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:57:17 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:57:17 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2006 12:57:22.0355 (UTC) FILETIME=[8566D030:01C637AF] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.51.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Paul Crane" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Getting Ready To Put An AM Stereo Signal On The Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851; y=hnYYCTQgF6mHjPRM7Y_Q3GdISyZpUMs17ph87URGAa76u1J8xE8B X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane I use WinAmp. It's free and runs for months without problems accessing mp3's on an external hard drive. Paul Crane, KC8YQQ Jackson, MI USA Part 15 transmitters on air 24/7: AM stereo 1250, FM stereo 88.3 ----Original Message Follows---- From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Getting Ready To Put An AM Stereo Signal On The Air Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:25:49 -0500 Fine people of this forum, I need a bit of help. I have one of the CQuam units that will put out 100mw and it is wired up to an antenna and ready to go. What I need is a program or some other form of software (did I just say the same thing twice??) to run on my PC that I can use to drive this unit. Does anyone have any suggestions. The software would need to be "shareware", as I operate pretty much on a very frayed shoestring these days. Thanks in advance, Michael _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Feb 22 17:49:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9737 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2006 01:49:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2006 01:49:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2006 01:49:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2006 01:49:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2006 01:49:27 -0000 X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58801 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 16:57:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2006 16:57:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2006 16:57:00 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id r.23c.757227e (4328) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:56:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <23c.757227e.312df1b7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:56:23 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6811 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: Antenna Design X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135; y=puWpQh00yb4oEcH1cEUoDcIjMMdFX-iea6VOPBv8lQLg X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 23 Feb 2006 01:49:27 -0000 Has anyone looked at this atenna design and built one. I would be curious what the range would be. I did build one of their 100MW transimtters and it puts out a good clean sold AM Mono signal with good coverage of 300 + feet. the link is http://www.sstran.com/pages/sstran_ant_dwg_pl.html. I have never built this antenna, but simular designs posted on various other pages have stated that when the base of the antenna is mounted 20 feet above the ground, the coverage is solid out to one mile and spotty reception reported as far as 5 miles in some cases. Your mileage may vary due to ground conductivity, buildings nearby etc etc etc. Also be sure to use only the white PVC pipe for constructing these antennas. The grey PVC will over time cause some adverse changes electrically speaking. In other words your already inefficient antenna will become even less efficient. Bob Carter - KC4QLP ------------------------------------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic-Engineering-Services of Utica NY / Elizabeth City NC http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice WKVU-FM Utica/Rome NY, WKVJ-FM Dannemora/Plattsburg NY, WRCS-AM Ahoskie NC ------------------------------------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Thu Feb 23 07:11:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48415 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2006 15:11:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2006 15:11:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp3.freeserve.com) (193.252.22.156) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2006 15:11:57 -0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3203.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 718B81C00088 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:11:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk (user-655.lns3-c12.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.70.66.143]) by mwinf3203.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2ADC21C00082 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:11:55 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20060223151155175.2ADC21C00082@mwinf3203.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:10:50 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1140706117.594.70601.m17@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1140706117.594.70601.m17@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-Originating-IP: 193.252.22.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1826 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669; y=ckO16YBtM06h2ic3TOms8XIbRs601HTvWqgNkcOuRRe3D9Hx0-Nx3iVH X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Bob, >http://www.sstran.com/pages/sstran_ant_dwg_pl.html. Based on common knowledge by many an HF mobile ham operator base loaded antennas are the worst for efficiency. You want to try moving the coil up and also adding a capacity hat. Are you guys allowed ground systems with Part-15? An elevated ground system will work nigh on as good as 120 buried radials but I'm sure that would bend the rules a little too far:-) A well known AM Stereo station, WPCI in SC runs this type of ground system. Good luck. -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Feb 23 08:26:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+MnNx+62+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39165 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2006 16:26:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2006 16:26:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2006 16:26:43 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.69]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 56064031 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:25:49 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <006601c63896$d14ef3a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:32:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 14, in=11, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.69 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Getting Ready To Put An AM Stereo Signal On The Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=W-rcEhMsOz-ty1mJUP6fzaLb9NjXedYLYEYkS3HkBAdSmsN2Mxi5 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude There's a completely free program you could try- Rivendell. The only catch is it's Linux-based. A Google search should turn up the info you need to get it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" > Fine people of this forum, I need a bit of help. I have one of the CQuam > units that will put out 100mw and it is wired up to an antenna and ready to > go. What I need is a program or some other form of software (did I just say > the same thing twice??) to run on my PC that I can use to drive this unit. > Does anyone have any suggestions. The software would need to be > "shareware", as I operate pretty much on a very frayed shoestring these > days. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Feb 23 09:12:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+MnNx+62+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2318 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2006 17:12:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2006 17:12:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2006 17:12:29 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.69]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 56073955 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:12:23 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <009f01c6389d$5298bbc0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <1140706117.594.70601.m17@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:19:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 14, in=12, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.69 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1826 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=H7EPbW3E-Y6sCNll6Xa8IEk5nM6uf1uE1Ngsvrzqu03OuqkF9M25 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude No, you can't have a buried radial system as such. Your total length of antenna + coax (if any) + ground lead can't = more than 3m in length, and I think that would rule out the top hat as well. There is a partial way around this and that's to have your transmitter and antenna on top of a high, grounded pole. This has been done with "talking billboards" and is considered legal. Somehow it wouldn't seem to be from simple reading of the regs, but it's been done enough times without any of them being shut down that there really is this legal loophole. As for the design of the antenna itself, there's absolutely no reason to have the two copper sections like the plans specify. 10' [3m] is such a small percentage of the wavelength you might as well go with 3/4 the whole length and be done with it since you won't need to adjust the length. The bigger the diameter the better the bandwidth too. You could use 3" copper pipe with the loading coil of 3" PVC in the middle for better results. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip de Cadenet" > Based on common knowledge by many an HF mobile ham operator base loaded > antennas are the worst for efficiency. > > You want to try moving the coil up and also adding a capacity hat. > > Are you guys allowed ground systems with Part-15? From droland66@yahoo.com Fri Feb 24 18:36:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46320 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2006 02:36:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2006 02:36:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2006 02:36:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2006 02:36:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2006 02:36:05 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:36:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009b01c63112$1d7447d0$c8ebda0c@your75ojnaappr> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.62.179.16 From: "david roland" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Waay Off Topic -Video vs Film (Hi Def Reruns) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=1zLey0JgOwfgxA9UqXSyWGgYHrPYHeHsYq4p9ZB3w3oR_LKF X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 I Love Lucy -- Excellent and funny!!! Beverly Hillbillies -- Many great moments!!! Lots of other great shows but can't think of them right now. David --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John / Juan Gualda"=20 wrote: > > Wellllllllll, >=20 > Opinions are like...well you know. >=20 > Personally I like most of the shows below, as opposed to what we=20 have now. >=20 > Thank God for the WB, and how about that UPN !..................... (just kidding) >=20 >=20 > Juan Gualda > Mason City, IA > All in the Family: Classic, but I can't stand watching it any=20 more > Sanford and Son: Sucks > Gilligan's Island: OK, but certainly not classic > Partridge Family: Sucks > I Dream of Jeanie: Sucks > Designing Women: Never got into it > Full House: Sucks > Rosanne: Burnt > Mork and Mindy: So annoying it REALLY sucks > M*A*S*H: Classic, but burnt > Happy Days: Decent before Fonzie became a main character,=20 roughly=20=20 > seasons 1 and 2. Sucked after that > Mary Tyler Moore: One of the best shows ever. > Cheers: Classic > Lavern and Shirley: Totally sucked >=20 > The point? Old TV had as much suck-dom as today's. You're just=20 not=20=20 > finding the shows. And the real classics never get shown on Nick=20 at=20=20 > Night any more anyway ... >=20 > Richard >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sat Feb 25 09:49:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2961 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2006 17:49:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2006 17:49:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2006 17:49:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2006 17:49:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2006 17:49:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:49:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.184.96.32 From: "Mike" Subject: Re: HD Radio not working in Detroit Suburbs and no AM HD in some buildings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087; y=P4Tky6ZyyLV_6Hybt2rZhD3F8XLnoGDOzxIFptnuWK7Bze5h X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio Tom At home, WOR's analog signal is very quiet, some SLIGHT noise (and I=20 do mean slight), and the BA will NOT go to HD with the supplied loop. Also, the supplied FM antenna is poor at best. This is a major=20 problem since the average consumer has now gone and pruchased a $300=20 radio only to find he/she has to go and purchase extra hardware to get=20 it to do what it's supposed to do. IBOC Field Service Bulletin No. 02.20060216=20 Issued: February 16, 2006=20 Subject: Indoor FM HD Radio Antenna Performance=20 Equipment: Boston Acoustic Recepter Table Radios=20 Type: Anomaly=20 Symptom: HD Radio reception inside homes and office buildings with the=20 new Boston Acoustics Recepter=AE table model radios has been=20 disappointing for some listeners. In some cases, analog reception of=20 hybrid stations has been adequate, but the HD Radio reception has=20 dropped in and out, or has been non-existent. NPR Labs' measurement of=20 this model shows very good sensitivity at the antenna input, which=20 suggests that the supplied 18-inch wire antenna is a major fault. A=20 better indoor FM antenna is needed to improve HD Radio reception.=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > The conditions in my office are far from ideal, with interference > caused by building systems all over the AM band, and with=20 considerable > multipath on all FM stations from Empire. Using the simple loop AM > antenna enclosed with the BA, I get WOR-HD, WNYC-HD, and WADO-HD with > no problems. Using the enclosed wire antenna, I can grab all the FM > stations HD signals. All are stable. Under less than ideal > conditions. The unit in the General Manager's office, right next=20 door > to mine, is able to pull in AM HD with the built in AM antenna. >=20 >=20 From kya1260@lycos.com Sun Feb 26 10:08:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99155 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2006 18:08:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2006 18:08:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2006 18:08:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 1267518001A8 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:08:14 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 26 Feb 2006 18:08:15 -0000 Received: by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BC1BE3384B; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:08:15 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:08:15 -0800 Received: from [69.110.234.148] by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:08:15 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060226180815.BC1BE3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Waay Off Topic -Video vs Film (Hi Def Reruns) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=2O5SUPwD-tTGgR7YldDTELRZ8mBEi2T6bFRK5Q8o6YpISLBv6g X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Can't forget The Bob Newhart Show (1972-1978 version); Bob let his co-stars like Bill Daily and Jack Riley shine... Nor can we leave out The Rockford Files (James Garner) although, like M*A*S*H, it has burned out... Finally, I suppose it's me, but for single-season series, Then Came Bronson and My Mother The Car are classics in their own=20 rite! --jay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "david roland" > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Waay Off Topic -Video vs Film (Hi Def Reruns) > Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:36:05 -0000 >=20 >=20 > I Love Lucy -- Excellent and funny!!! > Beverly Hillbillies -- Many great moments!!! >=20 > Lots of other great shows but can't think of them right now. >=20 > David >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John / Juan Gualda" > wrote: > > > > Wellllllllll, > > > > Opinions are like...well you know. > > > > Personally I like most of the shows below, as opposed to what we > have now. > > > > Thank God for the WB, and how about that UPN !..................... > (just kidding) > > > > > > Juan Gualda > > Mason City, IA > > All in the Family: Classic, but I can't stand watching it any > more > > Sanford and Son: Sucks > > Gilligan's Island: OK, but certainly not classic > > Partridge Family: Sucks > > I Dream of Jeanie: Sucks > > Designing Women: Never got into it > > Full House: Sucks > > Rosanne: Burnt > > Mork and Mindy: So annoying it REALLY sucks > > M*A*S*H: Classic, but burnt > > Happy Days: Decent before Fonzie became a main character, > roughly > > seasons 1 and 2. Sucked after that > > Mary Tyler Moore: One of the best shows ever. > > Cheers: Classic > > Lavern and Shirley: Totally sucked > > > > The point? Old TV had as much suck-dom as today's. You're just > not > > finding the shows. And the real classics never get shown on Nick > at > > Night any more anyway ... > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Feb 26 12:19:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9626 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2006 20:19:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2006 20:19:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2006 20:19:11 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-8-52.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.8.52] helo=PossumHunter) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FDSIe-0005NS-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:15:24 -0500 Message-ID: <00c201c63b11$5fee3f90$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060226180815.BC1BE3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:15:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Waay Off Topic -Video vs Film (Hi Def Reruns) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=OrmkHNf1uKpZB269mD2-WCDhIzPMJja0HbWikgtDpPdTu__rWDkRjBqTbESyXQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 I can't wait to see "Attack Of The Killer Tomatoes", "Plan Nine From Outer Space" and "Night Of The Living Dead" in High Def! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Sun Feb 26 14:59:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95883 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2006 22:59:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2006 22:59:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO act-MTAout4.csiro.au) (150.229.7.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2006 22:59:44 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.56]) by act-MTAout4.csiro.au with ESMTP; 27 Feb 2006 09:58:41 +1100 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,148,1139144400"; d="scan'208,217"; a="83862419:sNHT41543008" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:58:40 +1100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:58:40 +1100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Re: Waay Off Topic -Video vs Film (Hi Def Reruns) Thread-Index: AcY6LCoSbjp+jlDCT8ikLHK7HkvJLAA+95bQ To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2006 22:58:40.0787 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F79A630:01C63B28] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.7.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Waay Off Topic -Video vs Film (Hi Def Reruns) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=WX4CrnNOyu0p7A2kGh46eMl5g-i8x_0q0kAa-IhEfhLH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How about that great 50's classic? - Burns and Allen. -----Original Message----- From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david roland Sent: Saturday, 25 February 2006 1:36 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Waay Off Topic -Video vs Film (Hi Def Reruns) I Love Lucy -- Excellent and funny!!! Beverly Hillbillies -- Many great moments!!! Lots of other great shows but can't think of them right now. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Feb 26 16:44:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29993 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2006 00:44:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2006 00:44:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.227) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2006 00:44:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n7.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2006 00:44:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2006 00:44:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2006 00:44:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:44:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.245.76 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: HD Radio not working in Detroit Suburbs and no AM HD in some buildings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=FzrLJ4Q1WXkYSrQJusOwIxH3eVcNqpGQz_PXHM1t_YVSJsuKkQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > IBOC Field Service Bulletin No. 02.20060216=20 Here is the complete version: http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board?Post=3D665381&Board=3Ddx p.s. From a few recordings that I have heard, the Receptor's analog=20 AM audio is among the worst I have ever heard. Its audio response is=20 flat only up to 1.7 kHz, and then begins dropping off sharply. It=20 seems to be brickwall-filtered at 3.3 kHz; above 4 kHz, the only=20 audio getting through is residual background hiss. AM stations could=20 cut their analog audio bandwidth all the way down to 3.5 kHz, and=20 listeners with the "HD" Receptor would never hear the difference. I guess they forgot about iBiquity's claim that the analog AM tuner=20 of IBOC receivers would have audio response that is flat to 5 kHz! The Receptor also has a very strong bass boost, extending from 60 to=20 250 Hz and peaking at 120 Hz, designed to provide an acceptable=20 imitation of bass response from its tiny built-in speaker(s). On a=20 10-band graphic equalizer, you would need to push the 125 Hz slider=20 nearly all the way down to balance out the sound for listening to the=20 Receptor through an external audio amplifier and your choice of=20 speakers or headphones. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Feb 26 18:07:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39368 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2006 02:07:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2006 02:07:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2006 02:07:35 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-8-52.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.8.52] helo=PossumHunter) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FDXjo-0007FM-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:03:48 -0500 Message-ID: <027001c63b42$0b2bd4a0$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:03:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: OT: Hugo Winterhalter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=wW0EXWy5jYhoGMR7ddV3t8u8KUjPpRkVgJg5av7q0huN-Zs_v38O_8TbuOSYiQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 As I was surfing the web tonight listening to the local pirate on 104.7, they played Hugo Winterhalter's "Canadian Sunset" in STEREO! I have never heard a Stereo mix or recordning of this song! Does anybody have a copy, and of they do would they please upload it to the ftp site? From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Feb 26 22:24:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80798 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2006 06:24:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2006 06:24:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2006 06:24:58 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-8-52.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.8.52] helo=PossumHunter) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FDboU-00059G-00; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:24:54 -0500 Message-ID: <032401c63b66$85018490$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: Cc: , Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:24:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Radio Caroline on 171 kHz & 1620 kHz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=rMjnSnl0b8RLZpiAsXWPju4p-oag_gRP1PWixNQWl2W8xHGUgzi3hrYQ6PgQgg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Just "Because" I am relaying Radio Caroline on Long Wave 171 kHz on my Part 15 LowFER. Caroline is also in KAHN ISB Stereo on Medium Wave 1620 kHz via my Part 15 station. Listen and enjoy! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Feb 27 15:53:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15983 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2006 23:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2006 23:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.78) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2006 23:53:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:53:28 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.42 by BAY106-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:53:25 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:53:24 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2006 23:53:28.0287 (UTC) FILETIME=[016416F0:01C63BF9] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.78 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Caroline on 171 kHz & 1620 kHz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=kR5BdxbKYovIIfO5Ll1LEdht_Xm3bIM1cInthifMZlY22ewCjV6uxWLf6Uo X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Kevin, I'm just curious about what type of range (mileage wise) 1620 has on a good radio (i.e. GE Superadio or a Sony A300)? Living 115 s.s.w. of Ocala, I'm sure I could never receive it here, but about Belleview, just south of Ocala, would it be receivable there or in the Bushnell, Webster, Ridge Manor area? Also, I noticed back in October or November that 1290 in Ocala is silent, do you know the story on that? Several years ago, they were putting out a stereo pilot, even though they were talk in mono. 900 in Ocala also had a stereo pilot, keep forgetting to check it out when I'm up that way, although the sports format was a mono feed. I also noticed that when at my parents house during the week last week, that 790 WLBE seems to have retreated from it's talk programming and at least when I was listening to them was music. Now, if they were to go stereo or if WVLG 640 could find and use the am stereo equipment the previous owners had, it would be great. When 640 first came on the air in the around 1986 or 1987 as WHOF (Heart of Florida) they were a.m. stereo for several years before a series of ownership changes. Donn -----Original Message----- From: Possum Hunter Sent: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:24:50 -0800 To: amradiodx@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Radio Caroline on 171 kHz & 1620 kHz Just "Because" I am relaying Radio Caroline on Long Wave 171 kHz on my Part 15 LowFER. Caroline is also in KAHN ISB Stereo on Medium Wave 1620 kHz via my Part 15 station. Listen and enjoy! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From castellano105@yahoo.com Mon Feb 27 16:16:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48762 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2006 00:16:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2006 00:16:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60224.mail.yahoo.com) (209.73.178.112) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2006 00:16:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 25870 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Feb 2006 00:16:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20060228001636.25868.qmail@web60224.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.68.2.169] by web60224.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:16:36 PST Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:16:36 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 209.73.178.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Francisco Guzman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Caroline on 171 kHz & 1620 kHz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758; y=-1ufAh2pyFWC3qpdaJ2cP_4nI-tUQYdAOKZ7BzLY6vWHGPemdqlDvQ X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 1290 in Ocala is without a owner at this moment in time. 900 is in Stereo ,but as you surmise it"s in the Espn networke and receives mono broodtcast. --- Donn Tillman wrote: > Hi Kevin, > > I'm just curious about what type of range (mileage > wise) 1620 has on a good radio (i.e. GE Superadio or > a Sony A300)? > > Living 115 s.s.w. of Ocala, I'm sure I could never > receive it here, but about Belleview, just south of > Ocala, would it be receivable there or in the > Bushnell, Webster, Ridge Manor area? > > Also, I noticed back in October or November that > 1290 in Ocala is silent, do you know the story on > that? Several years ago, they were putting out a > stereo pilot, even though they were talk in mono. > > 900 in Ocala also had a stereo pilot, keep > forgetting to check it out when I'm up that way, > although the sports format was a mono feed. > > I also noticed that when at my parents house during > the week last week, that 790 WLBE seems to have > retreated from it's talk programming and at least > when I was listening to them was music. > > Now, if they were to go stereo or if WVLG 640 could > find and use the am stereo equipment the previous > owners had, it would be great. When 640 first came > on the air in the around 1986 or 1987 as WHOF (Heart > of Florida) they were a.m. stereo for several years > before a series of ownership changes. > > Donn > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Possum Hunter > Sent: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:24:50 -0800 > To: amradiodx@yahoogroups.com > Cc: amstereo@topica.com, > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Radio Caroline on 171 kHz & 1620 kHz > > Just "Because" I am relaying Radio Caroline on Long > Wave 171 kHz on my Part > 15 LowFER. > Caroline is also in KAHN ISB Stereo on Medium Wave > 1620 kHz via my Part 15 > station. > > Listen and enjoy! > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Franciscoguzman@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Feb 27 17:18:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19475 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2006 01:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2006 01:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.90) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2006 01:18:31 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:18:31 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.41 by BAY106-DAV18.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 01:18:26 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 01:18:26 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2006 01:18:31.0390 (UTC) FILETIME=[E313CFE0:01C63C04] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Caroline on 171 kHz & 1620 kHz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=mwhNyEyxEp8EXABE921Q-N7Z7Gi7S5IWMKn_nSljz6Wz31KWM2D5pzf1J-0 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the information, Francisco. Now, someone on one of our lists needs to win the lotto and make an offer to purchase the license etc for 1290! :) Were you in the Ocala area when 640 signed on as WHOF and was in stereo? (the stereo continued through at least 1993) It would sure make sense for WVLG with their music format to invest in stereo or to dig out the old equipment from 640's a.m. stereo days. God only knows, the Villages Inc are not going broke and could certainly afford to do whatever they had to do to go stereo; at least they are live and local 18 hours a day. Donn St Petersburg, (the land of no a.m. stereo within 65 miles) -----Original Message----- From: Francisco Guzman Sent: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:16:36 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Caroline on 171 kHz & 1620 kHz 1290 in Ocala is without a owner at this moment in time. 900 is in Stereo ,but as you surmise it"s in the Espn networke and receives mono broodtcast. --- Donn Tillman wrote: > Hi Kevin, > > I'm just curious about what type of range (mileage > wise) 1620 has on a good radio (i.e. GE Superadio or > a Sony A300)? > > Living 115 s.s.w. of Ocala, I'm sure I could never > receive it here, but about Belleview, just south of > Ocala, would it be receivable there or in the > Bushnell, Webster, Ridge Manor area? > > Also, I noticed back in October or November that > 1290 in Ocala is silent, do you know the story on > that? Several years ago, they were putting out a > stereo pilot, even though they were talk in mono. > > 900 in Ocala also had a stereo pilot, keep > forgetting to check it out when I'm up that way, > although the sports format was a mono feed. > > I also noticed that when at my parents house during > the week last week, that 790 WLBE seems to have > retreated from it's talk programming and at least > when I was listening to them was music. > > Now, if they were to go stereo or if WVLG 640 could > find and use the am stereo equipment the previous > owners had, it would be great. When 640 first came > on the air in the around 1986 or 1987 as WHOF (Heart > of Florida) they were a.m. stereo for several years > before a series of ownership changes. > > Donn > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Possum Hunter > Sent: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:24:50 -0800 > To: amradiodx@yahoogroups.com > Cc: amstereo@topica.com, > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Radio Caroline on 171 kHz & 1620 kHz > > Just "Because" I am relaying Radio Caroline on Long > Wave 171 kHz on my Part > 15 LowFER. > Caroline is also in KAHN ISB Stereo on Medium Wave > 1620 kHz via my Part 15 > station. > > Listen and enjoy! > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Franciscoguzman@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oldphones@webtv.net Mon Feb 27 18:28:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76168 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2006 02:28:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2006 02:28:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3203.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.138) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2006 02:28:43 -0000 Received: from storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3203.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 46487D5C5 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:28:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id SAA04351; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:28:43 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRfuTNQVx7+Aa6G/XFoTRGCx39ANgIUTD01dx2dF34jEv7E0wiMaI3D+pw= Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:28:42 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <14793-4403B55A-2398@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 27 Feb 2006 13:45:46 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1830 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783; y=uI5F_RZAJAvVarRfP0S7uYwBj8Bq9pdQvTwp3WgVYCZ95MgBAA X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 I don't exactly recall how the rant on Classic TV series Vs. High Def got started, But I actually saw "Hogan's Heroes" recently on one of Dish Network HD channels ON a JVC HD set we had set up on the TV demo room. For a average 60's, 70's program done on film, It looked fairly decent. Most serious TV production was done on 35 Mm film, some videotape. Probably Why some programs like "I Love Lucy" ( originally film ) looks better than a Kinescope recording like much of Jackie Gleason's (The Honey- mooners) early programs. With a kinescope a film recording was made off a television monitor, and typically has very poor resolution and contrast. Early Videotape ca 1958 on, was an improvement but it took years to really perfect it. Pigeons , scanning lines and a tendency for over saturated color. A lot of IT was on the old 2 inch machines..... Now completely obsolete. IF you ever see an early Color or B W video tape, the 35 MM filmed programs was, were considerably superior. Probably why NFL films uses film... The Kinescopes and really OLD videotape would not hold up well in a High Def format. I'd love to see real TV classics like " Bonanza", "Hawaii Five-O" , etc...on HD But a lot of the 60's ~ 70's stuff seems to just not be available anymore on TV Land,WGN, TBS...and other networks. And I'd never Found Five-O on DVD , either... Five O in true High Def might convince me to buy an HD set... Some of these programs done on film made good use of color, scenery and good audio theme and musical scores, They were quality programs. Bet they would hold up well in a HD , widescreen presentation. Bill S. Omaha Oldphones@ webtv. net cell (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 593-6841 Omaha, Nebraska I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items, and a lot more!! http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Feb 27 20:49:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14960 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2006 04:49:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2006 04:49:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2006 04:49:21 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-8-52.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.8.52] helo=PossumHunter) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FDwnX-0001Yk-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:49:19 -0500 Message-ID: <014501c63c22$54d52fd0$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:49:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Caroline on 171 kHz & 1620 kHz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=44GlsPFYLw-wh4y-LbgprOaWjSWsIXgB2Qf4nk31zM_qsBz-eHW7OYBrPhTErQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Donn Tillman wrote: > I'm just curious about what type of range (mileage wise) 1620 has on a > good radio (i.e. GE Superadio or a Sony A300)? The Sony SRFA100 has good separation and clean audio all over Lake Kathryn and up to Deer Haven. SuperadioIII will get it almost to Paisley and in most of Deer Haven. I am driving the processing as hard as I can on the ISB signal to overcome the noise. If I put the Kahn Good-N-Louds in proof mode, I loose most of my usable coverage area. My first generation exciter does not have the PowerSide upgrade in it, so I can't see what that would do to coverage. > > Living 115 s.s.w. of Ocala, I'm sure I could never receive it here, but > about Belleview, just south of Ocala, would it be receivable there or in > the Bushnell, Webster, Ridge Manor area? While I am in the Ocala National Forest, I am nowhere near Ocala. I am in Northeast Lake County. The nearest incorporated city I am near is DeLand. A friend of mine in Deland can hear 171 on his Kenwood TS-430 with an Alpha-Delta Sloper. When it rains, My Grundig YB-400PE can get it in Altoona. I can also get 171 in Astor with a 4' loop on the Grundig. Your only chance of hearing me is Long Wave 171 on a perfect no thunderstorm evening with the Radio Gods smiling upon your receiver. 171 Audio is a Level Devil into a DAP-310 into a BL-40. > > Also, I noticed back in October or November that 1290 in Ocala is silent, > do you know the story on that? Here is the link to the complete run-down on WCFI 1290: http://www.cflradio.net/1290%20WCFI.htm > > I also noticed that when at my parents house during the week last week, > that 790 WLBE seems to have retreated from it's talk programming and at > least when I was listening to them was music. That is a good sign! > > Now, if they were to go stereo or if WVLG 640 could find and use the am > stereo equipment the previous owners had, it would be great. When 640 > first came on the air in the around 1986 or 1987 as WHOF (Heart of > Florida) they were a.m. stereo for several years before a series of > ownership changes. Don't hold your breath. It has been Mono since they moved the studios to The Villages. The STL is Mono. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Feb 28 02:13:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17543 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2006 10:13:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2006 10:13:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.176.248) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2006 10:13:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 59994 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Feb 2006 10:13:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20060228101314.59992.qmail@web25815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.159.125.231] by web25815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 02:13:14 PST Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 02:13:14 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <14793-4403B55A-2398@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.176.248 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1830 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=p5BSNykELTkFSC-n3EugP3dYnQ_fZuA1WlWx9UxZprQLNsVJOLEr X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Bonanza still comes on TV land, in fact every morning. So does I dream of Jeannie, Bewitched, and many other classics made on 35mm film. -Kevin --- oldphones@webtv.net wrote: --------------------------------- I don't exactly recall how the rant on Classic TV series Vs. High Def got started, But I actually saw "Hogan's Heroes" recently on one of Dish Network HD channels ON a JVC HD set we had set up on the TV demo room. For a average 60's, 70's program done on film, It looked fairly decent. Most serious TV production was done on 35 Mm film, some videotape. Probably Why some programs like "I Love Lucy" ( originally film ) looks better than a Kinescope recording like much of Jackie Gleason's (The Honey- mooners) early programs. With a kinescope a film recording was made off a television monitor, and typically has very poor resolution and contrast. Early Videotape ca 1958 on, was an improvement but it took years to really perfect it. Pigeons , scanning lines and a tendency for over saturated color. A lot of IT was on the old 2 inch machines..... Now completely obsolete. IF you ever see an early Color or B W video tape, the 35 MM filmed programs was, were considerably superior. Probably why NFL films uses film... The Kinescopes and really OLD videotape would not hold up well in a High Def format. I'd love to see real TV classics like " Bonanza", "Hawaii Five-O" , etc...on HD But a lot of the 60's ~ 70's stuff seems to just not be available anymore on TV Land,WGN, TBS...and other networks. And I'd never Found Five-O on DVD , either... Five O in true High Def might convince me to buy an HD set... Some of these programs done on film made good use of color, scenery and good audio theme and musical scores, They were quality programs. Bet they would hold up well in a HD , widescreen presentation. Bill S. Omaha Oldphones@ webtv. net cell (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 593-6841 Omaha, Nebraska I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items, and a lot more!! http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum SPONSORED LINKS Stereo High performance Digital radio --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Feb 28 07:00:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97485 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2006 15:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2006 15:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.74) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2006 15:00:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:59:42 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.41 by BAY106-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:59:36 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:59:36 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2006 14:59:42.0041 (UTC) FILETIME=[9AAC8490:01C63C77] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WWBF a.m. stereo, Bartow, FL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=N8ysXl9jzHcCp6C90qiWbA_oA_MK7hfBuNL5YLWtqelbITpP65V-dDdDOrA X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dennis wrote (a long time ago): "Truly the biggest affront to the diversity of one of our avenues of freedom of speech and expression had to be the 1996 Telecommunications Act. I blame EVERYBODY for that fiasco. :( " ______________________ Randi Rhodes interviewed former President Clinton about a year ago and she raked him over the coals for signing that dreaded legislation and he conceded that he wished he hadn't, that he had reservations about it, but thought there would be enough votes to override a veto. Still, if he had reservations about it, he should have stuck to his principles (which is what a veto entails). Out of 42 presidents, only two have not yet or did not ever veto anything (every president from President Lincoln through and including Clinton did veto legislation). Lets just hope and pray that if Congress can't or won't roll the 1996 Telecommunications Act, that at least they don't do further deregulation being pushed by Rupert Murdoch (Newscorp) and other media giants. Donn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Feb 28 07:29:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87286 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2006 15:29:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2006 15:29:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.87) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2006 15:29:57 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:29:55 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.41 by BAY106-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:29:53 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:29:53 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2006 15:29:55.0131 (UTC) FILETIME=[D35C18B0:01C63C7B] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.87 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Caroline on 171 kHz & 1620 kHz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=N8f52Eiwdl0E7IypqX6B6pZvkyvNpkrIDdOusOMWhvhB9NVxIb_CG18ynEQ X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the info and the links, Kevin. I was up that way several years ago, when you were still in Thonotosassa. My parents and I were trying to find a relatives house and she has a Deland mailing address but actually lives in Lake County about 1/2 mile west of the bridge that brings people into Volusia county from Lake county. Donn -----Original Message----- From: Possum Hunter Sent: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:49:14 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Caroline on 171 kHz & 1620 kHz Donn Tillman wrote: > I'm just curious about what type of range (mileage wise) 1620 has on a > good radio (i.e. GE Superadio or a Sony A300)? The Sony SRFA100 has good separation and clean audio all over Lake Kathryn and up to Deer Haven. SuperadioIII will get it almost to Paisley and in most of Deer Haven. I am driving the processing as hard as I can on the ISB signal to overcome the noise. If I put the Kahn Good-N-Louds in proof mode, I loose most of my usable coverage area. My first generation exciter does not have the PowerSide upgrade in it, so I can't see what that would do to coverage. > > Living 115 s.s.w. of Ocala, I'm sure I could never receive it here, but > about Belleview, just south of Ocala, would it be receivable there or in > the Bushnell, Webster, Ridge Manor area? While I am in the Ocala National Forest, I am nowhere near Ocala. I am in Northeast Lake County. The nearest incorporated city I am near is DeLand. A friend of mine in Deland can hear 171 on his Kenwood TS-430 with an Alpha-Delta Sloper. When it rains, My Grundig YB-400PE can get it in Altoona. I can also get 171 in Astor with a 4' loop on the Grundig. Your only chance of hearing me is Long Wave 171 on a perfect no thunderstorm evening with the Radio Gods smiling upon your receiver. 171 Audio is a Level Devil into a DAP-310 into a BL-40. > > Also, I noticed back in October or November that 1290 in Ocala is silent, > do you know the story on that? Here is the link to the complete run-down on WCFI 1290: http://www.cflradio.net/1290%20WCFI.htm > > I also noticed that when at my parents house during the week last week, > that 790 WLBE seems to have retreated from it's talk programming and at > least when I was listening to them was music. That is a good sign! > > Now, if they were to go stereo or if WVLG 640 could find and use the am > stereo equipment the previous owners had, it would be great. When 640 > first came on the air in the around 1986 or 1987 as WHOF (Heart of > Florida) they were a.m. stereo for several years before a series of > ownership changes. Don't hold your breath. It has been Mono since they moved the studios to The Villages. The STL is Mono. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Tue Feb 28 10:48:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30224 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2006 18:48:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2006 18:48:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2006 18:48:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2006 18:47:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2006 18:47:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:47:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 194.219.66.178 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Sony ST-JX220A Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=gkcd6COw08SrmYbkh9hR38mzwB5zcKkZE0s149BX4kk X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 Does anyone knows if the Sony ST JX220A can be made to receive 1710KHz=20 AM broadcast band limit?=20 Regards=20 Sotiris Pdmtr Athens GREECE From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Tue Feb 28 13:16:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30738 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2006 21:16:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2006 21:16:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2006 21:16:38 -0000 Received: from [4.247.127.215] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FECCz-0000vv-Q1 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:16:38 -0500 Message-ID: <380-22006222821164615@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.116.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:16:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc70fb0555bfb0a696a32391e55e860008350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} WWBF a.m. stereo, Bartow, FL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=Uqz1RtVem8qSqqnaCsKS5ubM_xkNBgiV5pbOokRM9v71PA There was an article in the paper the other day about a senator or representative (somewhere up north) who annoounced he is going to initiate a bill to allow even greater consolidation. And he's doing it in the name of diversity, believe it or not! Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Donn Tillman > To: > Date: 2/28/2006 10:00:08 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WWBF a.m. stereo, Bartow, FL > > Dennis wrote (a long time ago): > > "Truly the biggest affront to the diversity of one of our avenues of > freedom of speech and expression had to be the 1996 Telecommunications > Act. I blame EVERYBODY for that fiasco. :( " > ______________________ > Randi Rhodes interviewed former President Clinton about a year ago and she raked him over the coals for signing that dreaded legislation and he conceded that he wished he hadn't, that he had reservations about it, but thought there would be enough votes to override a veto. > > Still, if he had reservations about it, he should have stuck to his principles (which is what a veto entails). > > Out of 42 presidents, only two have not yet or did not ever veto anything (every president from President Lincoln through and including Clinton did veto legislation). > > Lets just hope and pray that if Congress can't or won't roll the 1996 Telecommunications Act, that at least they don't do further deregulation being pushed by Rupert Murdoch (Newscorp) and other media giants. > > Donn > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Tue Feb 28 14:01:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60108 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2006 22:01:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2006 22:01:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-MTAout4.csiro.au) (150.229.64.39) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2006 22:01:45 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.56]) by vic-MTAout4.csiro.au with ESMTP; 01 Mar 2006 09:01:42 +1100 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,154,1139144400"; d="scan'208"; a="70045910:sNHT98657504" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 1 Mar 2006 09:01:41 +1100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 09:01:41 +1100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} WWBF a.m. stereo, Bartow, FL Thread-Index: AcY8d90f4z+e9WXQSpGzgvwQGi7YMwAObt3g To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2006 22:01:41.0852 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E7511C0:01C63CB2] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.64.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} WWBF a.m. stereo, Bartow, FL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=DnIkzMLA3zhOZpQPMVhpZSrpesN8lThfqvVI6_E_wM49 Hear Hear Donn The Oz Telecommunications Minister is expected to announce new legislation next week bringing an end to the cross-media ownership laws. Meaning that besides owning 70% of the daily press in Oz Rupert will also be allowed to own radio and TV stations. God help us! It is likely that ownership of the media in Melbourne will drop from 11 to 5. Ian=20 -----Original Message----- From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donn Tillman Sent: Wednesday, 1 March 2006 2:00 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WWBF a.m. stereo, Bartow, FL Dennis wrote (a long time ago): "Truly the biggest affront to the diversity of one of our avenues of=20 freedom of speech and expression had to be the 1996 Telecommunications=20 Act. I blame EVERYBODY for that fiasco. :( " ______________________ Randi Rhodes interviewed former President Clinton about a year ago and she raked him over the coals for signing that dreaded legislation and he conceded that he wished he hadn't, that he had reservations about it, but thought there would be enough votes to override a veto. Still, if he had reservations about it, he should have stuck to his principles (which is what a veto entails). Out of 42 presidents, only two have not yet or did not ever veto anything (every president from President Lincoln through and including Clinton did veto legislation). Lets just hope and pray that if Congress can't or won't roll the 1996 Telecommunications Act, that at least they don't do further deregulation being pushed by Rupert Murdoch (Newscorp) and other media giants. Donn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 Yahoo! Groups Links =20 From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Tue Feb 28 19:16:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80865 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2006 03:16:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2006 03:16:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.62) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2006 03:16:41 -0000 Received: from [4.247.127.30] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FEHpQ-0002oK-M2 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:16:41 -0500 Message-ID: <380-2200633131649375@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.116.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:16:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bca84e6f9dd535e1e35639b7353b96a4f5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: RE: {AMSF} WWBF a.m. stereo, Bartow, FL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=nr9UeqzH7Px39_OJmRFbvWanH2NmI0cSnqLgGqZhB3hO5Q You can look forward to hearing sound-alike stations all across the dial. Here in the U.S., medium wave AM (except for a few ethnically-formatted stations) has become nothing but talk radio, much of it reflecting the opinions of its politically conservative ownership. Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 3/1/2006 3:01:42 PM > Subject: RE: {AMSF} WWBF a.m. stereo, Bartow, FL > > > > Hear Hear Donn > > The Oz Telecommunications Minister is expected to announce new > legislation next week bringing an end to the cross-media ownership laws. > Meaning that besides owning 70% of the daily press in Oz Rupert will > also be allowed to own radio and TV stations. God help us! > > It is likely that ownership of the media in Melbourne will drop from 11 > to 5. > > Ian > > > -----Original Message----- > From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donn Tillman > Sent: Wednesday, 1 March 2006 2:00 AM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WWBF a.m. stereo, Bartow, FL > > > Dennis wrote (a long time ago): > > "Truly the biggest affront to the diversity of one of our avenues of > freedom of speech and expression had to be the 1996 Telecommunications > Act. I blame EVERYBODY for that fiasco. :( " ______________________ > Randi Rhodes interviewed former President Clinton about a year ago and > she raked him over the coals for signing that dreaded legislation and he > conceded that he wished he hadn't, that he had reservations about it, > but thought there would be enough votes to override a veto. > > Still, if he had reservations about it, he should have stuck to his > principles (which is what a veto entails). > > Out of 42 presidents, only two have not yet or did not ever veto > anything (every president from President Lincoln through and including > Clinton did veto legislation). > > Lets just hope and pray that if Congress can't or won't roll the 1996 > Telecommunications Act, that at least they don't do further deregulation > being pushed by Rupert Murdoch (Newscorp) and other media giants. > > Donn > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Feb 28 19:48:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4772 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2006 03:48:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2006 03:48:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.79) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2006 03:48:33 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:48:31 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.46 by BAY106-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 03:48:29 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereo@bellsouth.net, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 03:48:28 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2006 03:48:31.0120 (UTC) FILETIME=[01BF6100:01C63CE3] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.79 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: WLW on XM effective 1 March 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=tr2tc0G5zWWjJcxjfrc1pBIgu2TnxsFIyYUlZEvvf6KUP_U1stzgMfKvQjc X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Local media WLW lineup joins WLW lineup joins XM Satellite network The "Big One" is getting bigger. WLW-AM (700), the 50,000-watt "nation's station," truly will be nationwide on Wednesday. Mike McConnell, Gary Burbank, Bill Cunningham, Jim Scott and most of Cincinnati's top-rated news-talk-sports station will be added to the XM Satellite Radio lineup as Channel 173. Only the Reds and Bengals games won't be on the channel. XM has a separate deal for Major League Baseball, while Sirius Satellite owns NFL rights. WLW-AM called itself the "nation's station" when it was the only U.S. station to broadcast experimentally on 500,000 watts from 1934 to 1939. "Everything has come full circle," says Darryl Parks, WLW operations director _______________________________________ http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060226/ENT/602260305/1025/LIFE&template=printpicart _______________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Tue Feb 28 20:01:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43846 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2006 04:01:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2006 04:01:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2006 04:01:22 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABCALHEKAVD54YA for (sender ); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:01:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LJCNG9HY; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:00:38 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:00:27 -0800 Message-ID: <20060228.200029.3804.1.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,7-10,13-14,19-20,23-24,28-29,32-33,36-37,40-41,44-45,50-51,56-57,60-61,63-32767 X-ContentStamp: 13:6:3358299551 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLEIhwnupDR8iLZ5MzK0SfDc= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: CBS Radio Sues Howard Stern X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=kNE6-LLQenFqNtVPhHQhgRFylm4wSppF_YqNqRZUKQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Associated Press CBS Radio Sues Howard Stern By SETH SUTEL , 02.28.2006, 06:20 PM CBS Corp.'s radio division sued Howard Stern Tuesday, claiming its former star shock jock breached his contract with them when he moved to Sirius Satellite Radio Inc. The lawsuit, which also names Sirius and Stern's agent as defendants, claims Stern improperly used CBS radio's air time to promote his new show with Sirius, which began last month. CBS also claims Stern discussed his plans with Sirius without disclosing them to CBS as required under his contract. Even before the lawsuit was filed in New York State Supreme Court, Stern tried to upstage the action with a hastily arranged news conference in Manhattan Tuesday to strike first at his former employer. Stern said the lawsuit was meritless, and said CBS was trying to "bully" him. He called the lawsuit a "personal vendetta" against him by CBS Chief Executive Officer Leslie Moonves, whom Stern said held a grudge against him. Stern said CBS officials knew of his plans to leave for Sirius and also condoned his references to satellite radio on the air and did nothing to stop him when he spoke about it on his show. CBS Radio had formerly been known as Infinity Broadcasting, part of the Viacom Inc. conglomerate before CBS split up with Viacom at the beginning of this year. Stern called the news conference after The New York Post's widely read gossip column Page Six published an item Tuesday saying CBS was on the verge of filing a lawsuit against him. Stern moved his popular and bawdy morning show to satellite radio last month after years of railing against decency restrictions imposed on terrestrial radio by the Federal Communications Commission. CBS wants Stern, his agent, Don Buchwald, and Sirius to return any financial benefits they received from using CBS radio's air time to promote Sirius, including the value of a tranche of Sirius shares that Stern and Buchwald received early for exceeding a target for subscriber increases by the end of 2005. That block of 34.4 million Sirius shares was originally worth $100 million at the time the deal was announced in 2004, but its value swelled to $200 million by the time Stern actually received the shares at the beginning of 2006, bringing the total value of his five-year deal to about $600 million. At current prices, the shares are worth about $175 million. Stern's deal with Sirius specifies that costs for producing and marketing the show must be paid out of the compensation he receives. Sirius spokesman Patrick Reilly said the company didn't have a comment yet because its lawyers had not reviewed the suit. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aalso@netzero.com Tue Feb 28 20:22:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aalso@netzero.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20380 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2006 04:22:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2006 04:22:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout07-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net) (64.202.165.230) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2006 04:22:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 6731 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2006 04:22:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.17.212.109) by smtpout07-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.233) with ESMTP; 01 Mar 2006 04:22:18 -0000 Message-ID: <44052179.8060804@netzero.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:22:17 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1141134534.264.16687.m17@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1141134534.264.16687.m17@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.202.165.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Alan Alsobrook Subject: Another AM Stereo dies. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174740819; y=oAtMT_k-tz0SEbgUaqCHpzNsJRUM6kEYB0D2Y0t33E5XsA X-Yahoo-Profile: smokchsr After I had the fun of putting WSOS 1170 St. Augustine Beach in stereo about a year ago, I'm sad to say that since it was sold, I now only have a Mono program source, that coupled with the AM stereo exciter going nutz, I have switched back to the Crystal oscillator. I don't see any point in going back to the Stereo Generator anytime soon without a Stereo source. So I guess the keepers of the lists can remove this station. Alan From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Feb 28 20:22:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83368 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2006 04:22:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2006 04:22:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2006 04:22:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2006 04:22:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2006 04:22:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 04:22:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <380-2200633131649375@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.35.130 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WWBF a.m. stereo, Bartow, FL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=83KcqHWYHi0NBwTmRt6wfOWZIJPzWYVgKMGubB5ZC8qoRgsB X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > You can look forward to hearing sound-alike stations all across the=20 dial.=20 > Here in the U.S., medium wave AM (except for a few ethnically- formatted > stations) has become nothing but talk radio, much of it reflecting the > opinions of its politically conservative ownership. > Dick W. I've noticed over the last year here on the central west coast that=20 there have been more music broadcast lately. Aside from the ethnic=20 stations, there are several country stations, a few oldies stations, a=20 couple jazz or EZ listening stations, a couple christian/gospel=20 styations, and a couple eclectic mixes. There are still the usual=20 Limbaughs and Coast To Coasts, but there are fewer of them now. It just depends, I guess, what part of thid continent you're on. :) At least I have CKMX 1060 in Calgary, AB I can listen to at night, in=20 full AM stereo classic country..... :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Just finally applied for an SWL callsign.) From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Feb 28 20:52:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38043 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2006 04:52:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2006 04:52:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccmmhc92.asp.att.net) (204.127.203.212) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2006 04:52:55 -0000 Received: from your75ojnaappr (12-218-239-65.client.mchsi.com[12.218.239.65]) by sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92) with SMTP id <20060301045252m92001bh3ne>; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 04:52:52 +0000 Message-ID: <005401c63ceb$fd4b4ef0$41efda0c@your75ojnaappr> To: References: <1141134534.264.16687.m17@yahoogroups.com> <44052179.8060804@netzero.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:52:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0609-0, 02/27/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 204.127.203.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John / Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another AM Stereo dies. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=FO6JfTMzsVW4bShaak_D7KaLY0JCQ81vnD4CQBkMO_LmV44 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alan, Thanks for what you did for WSOS in St. Augustine, especially putting in the Stereo. I must say, I was inspired by what you did there at WSOS, to get the ball rolling to put the Stereo on KRIB recently. Can I contact you off list ? Or you contact me ? Please send me an e-mail at gualdaj@bellsouth.net as I would like to ask you a couple questions. Thanks, Juan Gualda ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Alsobrook To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:22 PM Subject: {AMSF} Another AM Stereo dies. After I had the fun of putting WSOS 1170 St. Augustine Beach in stereo about a year ago, I'm sad to say that since it was sold, I now only have a Mono program source, that coupled with the AM stereo exciter going nutz, I have switched back to the Crystal oscillator. I don't see any point in going back to the Stereo Generator anytime soon without a Stereo source. So I guess the keepers of the lists can remove this station. Alan Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum SPONSORED LINKS Stereo High performance Digital radio ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Wed Mar 01 04:40:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29124 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2006 12:40:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2006 12:40:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2006 12:40:33 -0000 Received: from [4.247.124.64] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FEQbj-0004ev-N9 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 07:39:08 -0500 Message-ID: <380-22006331123919109@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.116.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:39:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcefdc4ed4363f5558c3e83f13f5b4a8f7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} WWBF a.m. stereo, Bartow, FL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=pvQodnEZ73TEFVejXKT0sBWallxvv-A36JVJ95Sk4vub9Q Here in Florida, AM is several Spanish-speaking stations, a couple of African American music stations, and a raft of political- and/or religious-right talk stations. Needless to say, the talk stations all sound alike. Even on FM, where there is still music, there is little or no DJ involvement, just a mix of music and commercials. In some cases, they may have DJs in the morning, but switch to programming without DJs later in the day. BORING - Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Amy Mousie > To: > Date: 2/28/2006 11:22:58 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WWBF a.m. stereo, Bartow, FL > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > > > You can look forward to hearing sound-alike stations all across the > dial. > > Here in the U.S., medium wave AM (except for a few ethnically- > formatted > > stations) has become nothing but talk radio, much of it reflecting the > > opinions of its politically conservative ownership. > > Dick W. > > I've noticed over the last year here on the central west coast that > there have been more music broadcast lately. Aside from the ethnic > stations, there are several country stations, a few oldies stations, a > couple jazz or EZ listening stations, a couple christian/gospel > styations, and a couple eclectic mixes. There are still the usual > Limbaughs and Coast To Coasts, but there are fewer of them now. > > It just depends, I guess, what part of thid continent you're on. :) > > At least I have CKMX 1060 in Calgary, AB I can listen to at night, in > full AM stereo classic country..... :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > (Just finally applied for an SWL callsign.) > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Wed Mar 01 04:42:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40663 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2006 12:42:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2006 12:42:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2006 12:42:40 -0000 Received: from [4.247.124.64] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FEQf8-0006P9-13 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 07:42:38 -0500 Message-ID: <380-22006331124249968@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.116.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:42:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc0461ba68ccc6ad6e0957f806dff6d6bc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} WWBF a.m. stereo, Bartow, FL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=Jiuc7PvHJrBfhPJrx_Z5atSjWFLDKUmLpbW7IUpwOtTUxA I forgot to add that AM here in Florida also has a couple of sports talk stations. (Also, one of the AM stations did recently switch to classic country music, but I don't expect that to last.) Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Amy Mousie > To: > Date: 2/28/2006 11:22:58 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WWBF a.m. stereo, Bartow, FL > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > > > You can look forward to hearing sound-alike stations all across the > dial. > > Here in the U.S., medium wave AM (except for a few ethnically- > formatted > > stations) has become nothing but talk radio, much of it reflecting the > > opinions of its politically conservative ownership. > > Dick W. > > I've noticed over the last year here on the central west coast that > there have been more music broadcast lately. Aside from the ethnic > stations, there are several country stations, a few oldies stations, a > couple jazz or EZ listening stations, a couple christian/gospel > styations, and a couple eclectic mixes. There are still the usual > Limbaughs and Coast To Coasts, but there are fewer of them now. > > It just depends, I guess, what part of thid continent you're on. :) > > At least I have CKMX 1060 in Calgary, AB I can listen to at night, in > full AM stereo classic country..... :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > (Just finally applied for an SWL callsign.) > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From mtgc@hotmail.com Wed Mar 01 17:35:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17345 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2006 01:35:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2006 01:35:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.39) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2006 01:35:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:35:24 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 01:35:24 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <380-22006331124249968@earthlink.net> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 20:35:24 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Mar 2006 01:35:24.0666 (UTC) FILETIME=[93DCF5A0:01C63D99] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" Subject: SWL Callsign? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=7DxKizGYpcarflR8v21sIW2LGalHXN4kIAkpzlf620H725KSctTN X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Amy, You mentioned that you now have applied for an SWL callsign. Where do you apply for such a thing? Thanks, Michael From w6yn@juno.com Wed Mar 01 19:16:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45422 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2006 03:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2006 03:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2006 03:16:19 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABCAN256A57P59J for (sender ); Wed, 1 Mar 2006 19:16:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LJE6BWMH; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 19:15:49 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 19:15:07 -0800 Message-ID: <20060301.191507.3828.3.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-15 X-ContentStamp: 5:2:2266965410 X-MAIL-INFO:48002d08016529292d3c61f15d0d5d59c59c3c896c25 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLFpj/nhn6GSLPOU2vT4Q7Aw= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} SWL Callsign? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=wKXBoxcegqJkJPl_FJd64VtGRlt8JIjTPnfMYMZ5fQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn So one must be licensed with a call sign to LISTEN? Weird! Bizarre!! Don On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 20:35:24 -0500 "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" writes: > Amy, > > You mentioned that you now have applied for an SWL callsign. Where > do you > apply for such a thing? > > Thanks, > > Michael From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Mar 01 20:13:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62097 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2006 04:13:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2006 04:13:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.226) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2006 04:13:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2006 04:12:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2006 04:12:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2006 04:12:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 04:12:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.99.201 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: SWL Callsign? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=iX22uPkpViShxM_UFzTlvXCKyMLFBDX1XQIhgY0D28a-qc_j X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON -=20 CEO" wrote: > > Amy, >=20 > You mentioned that you now have applied for an SWL callsign. Where=20 do you=20 > apply for such a thing? http://members.shaw.ca/SWARL/ Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 02 14:58:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79470 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2006 22:58:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2006 22:58:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.225) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2006 22:58:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n5.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2006 22:58:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2006 22:58:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2006 22:58:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 22:58:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.231.215 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Kahn sues iBiquity and Clear Channel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=ZRc4viehDgJlDEVMjnhxL2CMe6u0vk2Sln1dKCU7DlwDESZ3Pw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I'm amazed I haven't heard anything about this until now... the=20 following Wall Street Journal article, which highlights the=20 interference problems caused by AM IBOC, also mentions "Last month in=20 federal court in New York, Mr. Kahn filed a lawsuit against Ibiquity,=20 along with Clear Channel, alleging antitrust violations": http://tinyurl.com/jccv6 Kahn is up to his old tricks again... this is a virtual carbon-copy=20 of the antitrust lawsuits he filed against Motorola and Delco back=20 during the AM Stereo marketplace wars, which dragged on in the courts=20 well into the 1990s. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Mar 02 17:18:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70875 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 01:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2006 01:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 01:18:22 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 17:18:20 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.51.75.127 by BAY101-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 01:18:18 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: Cc: , References: Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 20:18:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Mar 2006 01:18:20.0766 (UTC) FILETIME=[5BFBF7E0:01C63E60] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.89 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kahn sues iBiquity and Clear Channel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=AFaMSoaSGUAxmzRd9AZyLbPAlAVEoXPdn9yYerQR4GQXBMnRFg3agRDPluMNJw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin T. wrote: >I'm amazed I haven't heard anything about this until now... the following Wall Street Journal article, which highlights the interference problems caused by AM IBOC, also mentions "Last month in federal court in New York, Mr. Kahn filed a lawsuit against Ibiquity, along with Clear Channel, alleging antitrust violations": >http://tinyurl.com/jccv6 > Kahn is up to his old tricks again... this is a virtual carbon-copy of the antitrust lawsuits he filed against Motorola and Delco back during the AM Stereo marketplace wars, which dragged on in the courts well into the 1990s. From the home page of Kahn Communications http://www.wrathofkahn.org/ On Thursday, March 2, 2006, the Wall Street Journal was the first publication to disclose the fact that I, your loveable friend , and Kahn Communications, Inc. filed a suit in the prestigious Federal District Court for the Southern District of New York at Foley Square. The Defendants are: iBiquity Digital Corporation; Lucent Technologies Corporation; and Clear Channel Communications, Inc. Its Case Number is: 06 CV 1536. I am rooting for Kahn in this lawsuit! Get 'em Lenny! We will be listening to broadcast ISB Stereo again before we know it! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Mar 02 17:33:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16310 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 01:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2006 01:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.231) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 01:33:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2006 01:33:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2006 01:33:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2006 01:33:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 01:33:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.99.201 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kahn sues iBiquity and Clear Channel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=OCDs6llUSM1Wux40kRn3LnVT7PWZVpPdsJVQ367PJKj65hTd X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > I am rooting for Kahn in this lawsuit! Get 'em Lenny! We will be=20 listening to broadcast ISB Stereo again before we know it! Don't bet on it! But if anyone can throw a monkey wrench into the whole=20 IBOC brouhaha, it sure as hell would be Kahn. It's a guarantee that if he kills IBOC, the ONLY digital radio=20 broadcasting done for domestic markets will be satellite. Kahn is a master of the poisoned apple. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Mar 02 17:48:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93629 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 01:48:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2006 01:48:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 01:48:12 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-75-127.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.51.75.127] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FEzOt-0001UA-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 20:48:11 -0500 Message-ID: <019801c63e64$85a0d6c0$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 20:48:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kahn sues iBiquity and Clear Channel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=JoT_BtIO2NHrCpEcs368BqRErrsO7-847U4JAkPmdZTDYZk8o0zP5SrHITxNVw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Amy Mousie wrote: >if anyone can throw a monkey wrench into the whole IBOC brouhaha, it sure >as hell would be Kahn. That is what we are banking on. > > It's a guarantee that if he kills IBOC, the ONLY digital radio > broadcasting done for domestic markets will be satellite. That is better than having 530KC - 1710KC loaded with 5K audio and Hiss! > > Kahn is a master of the poisoned apple. The IBOC apple tree needs to be poisined before it's shade kills the AM garden for good. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From pdmtr@yahoo.com Thu Mar 02 18:18:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99673 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 02:18:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2006 02:18:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.227) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 02:18:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=dDMX86GAnmifZ_dwV00nhFFgkHuCZqn5uALA8nSAMD4 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 I'm searching to buy a lot of 300 - 500 Ceramic Reasonators at=20 3.60MHz!!!=20 Preferred type CSA3.60MGxx of Murata=20 Anyone knows a source?=20 Thank you=20 Sotris Pdmtr=20 From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Mar 02 18:58:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43712 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 02:58:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2006 02:58:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.225) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 02:58:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n5.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2006 02:57:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2006 02:57:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2006 02:57:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 02:57:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <019801c63e64$85a0d6c0$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.99.201 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kahn sues iBiquity and Clear Channel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=Bb08bg_8NWFDxdD3AXjSTGf1EEbLeK387SIF8h1AYCEMOhsq X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > Amy Mousie wrote: > >if anyone can throw a monkey wrench into the whole IBOC brouhaha,=20 it sure=20 > >as hell would be Kahn. >=20 > That is what we are banking on. [etc., etc.] And I agree with you on all accounts. I'm not anti-digital- I would've preferred DAB over IBOC, and I=20 believe DRM should be an option (it's narrower and actually DXable,=20 plus in hybrid mode it does not cause adjacent-channel interference),=20 but it should never be something forced down others' throats. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimbo@burgan.net Thu Mar 02 20:23:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1520 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 04:23:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2006 04:23:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm29.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.60) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 04:23:58 -0000 Received: from pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (pimout2-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.217]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k234NWbi016179 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 23:23:32 -0500 X-ORBL: [68.72.58.138] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-72-58-138.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.72.58.138]) by pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id k234NtoE051938 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 23:23:56 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c63e7a$487383e0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 23:23:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0609-2, 03/02/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kahn sues iBiquity and Clear Channel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=f9uziyQ06YSxFtEckdv19qiP6_Y9dBY7jGQ08X63Dsi_JK0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >> I am rooting for Kahn in this lawsuit! Get 'em Lenny! We will be > listening to broadcast ISB Stereo again before we know it! > > Don't bet on it! But if anyone can throw a monkey wrench into the whole > IBOC brouhaha, it sure as hell would be Kahn. > > It's a guarantee that if he kills IBOC, the ONLY digital radio > broadcasting done for domestic markets will be satellite. > > Kahn is a master of the poisoned apple. I agree with you 100%! I don't think Kahn will impact FM-IBOC (too may stations already multicasting and not enough negative issues), but in the case of AM..... as you say if anyone can slam on the brakes it's Leonard Kahn. With the interference issues, violating the laws and treaties, the IBOC night-time night-mare and generally poor reception of AM-IBOC except under extreme conditions, it may be interesting. Not one of my favorite people but in this case... From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Mar 02 21:45:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69380 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 05:45:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2006 05:45:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao04.cox.net) (68.230.241.35) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 05:45:39 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060303054214.EYKU17690.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@[192.168.0.2]> for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 00:42:14 -0500 In-Reply-To: <000d01c63e7a$487383e0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> References: <000d01c63e7a$487383e0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 21:45:34 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kahn sues iBiquity and Clear Channel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=QEALWU6N6cGQ8lKIBJCi3H10FVLrEg643ckmwbEu_Sb4kaVOWi4vlFdMolBI X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Be careful what you wish for. If FM gets multicasting and we get the same lousy radios for AM, then AM will be even more doomed than it is now. On Mar 2, 2006, at 8:23 PM, Jim Burgan wrote: > >> I am rooting for Kahn in this lawsuit! Get 'em Lenny! We will be > > listening to broadcast ISB Stereo again before we know it! > > > > Don't bet on it! But if anyone can throw a monkey wrench into the > whole > > IBOC brouhaha, it sure as hell would be Kahn. > > > > It's a guarantee that if he kills IBOC, the ONLY digital radio > > broadcasting done for domestic markets will be satellite. > > > > Kahn is a master of the poisoned apple. > > I agree with you 100%! > I don't think Kahn will impact FM-IBOC (too may stations already > multicasting and not enough negative issues), but in the case of > AM..... as > you say if anyone can slam on the brakes it's Leonard Kahn. > With the interference issues, violating the laws and treaties, the > IBOC > night-time night-mare and generally poor reception of AM-IBOC > except under > extreme conditions, it may be interesting. > Not one of my favorite people but in this case... > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Stereo High performance Digital radio > > YAHOO! 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Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Mar 03 08:02:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21381 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 16:02:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2006 16:02:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.158) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 16:02:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 57653 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Mar 2006 16:01:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20060303160150.57651.qmail@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 08:01:50 PST Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 08:01:50 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1141399736.216.94237.m17@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: WLW has a backup plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=MmCO17bl-Qesie4vEP6qz2L6aW4ucNAe1G8Q4zUv6GjIo4cMVaPtHpw X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio WLW has hedged their bets pretty good: last weekend they installed an HD transmitter, by Wednesday they were on XM radio. What's that tell you? Could it be... They are so afraid of losing regional coverage at night when IBOC hits the fan, that they had to have a backup on XM? However, my contact couldn't tell me if they have a stereo audio chain at WLW. WLW on XM is mono. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jimbo@burgan.net Fri Mar 03 08:06:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75450 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 16:06:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2006 16:06:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm12.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.43) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 16:06:48 -0000 Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.203]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k23G6ibJ019814 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 11:06:45 -0500 X-ORBL: [68.72.58.138] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-72-58-138.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.72.58.138]) by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id k23G6k53148042 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 11:06:46 -0500 Message-ID: <002601c63edc$777ee550$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <000d01c63e7a$487383e0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 11:06:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0609-3, 03/03/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kahn sues iBiquity and Clear Channel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=shpxR1oKHSOYrKxZVzH8IfsDVEwhngtrCBmjvVlIz5Iv5Vg X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Be careful what you wish for. If FM gets multicasting and we get the > same lousy radios for AM, then AM will be even more doomed than it is > now. I disagree.... If AM/MW is forced to reject IBOC (which it should), then AM goes back to status quo. AM is/was doing fine before this started... It found a niche and filled it (talk radio, oldies and ethnic programming). AM is more likely to die is they DO accept IBOC. The 5KHz mask, interference to 1st and 2nd adjacent, skywave issues and now the signal issues (early news indicates you've got to be well within the primary contour to decode the digital signal). In fact I know 2 people who purchased the Boston Acoustics Recepter and have had problems getting it to receive the digital stream. One friend lives near Nashville TN (he lives in Davidson County, same county as Nashville) and can't seem to get his radio to decode the WLAC stream. WLAC is a 50kw station and is analog reception is good, but unless he takes the radio outside, it won't flip to digital. Same thing with my brother, who lives in Indianapolis. He lives on the east side of Indianapolis, the WIBC transmitter is on the far northwest side, but is 50KW directional and shoots the equivalent of about 90,000 watts in my brother's direction and he was only able to get the digital signal to decode by driving several miles to get closer to the tx site. I don't know if this is an anomaly of the Boston receiver, or if this is the nature of the beast itself, but both cases involved a listener well within the city-grade signal and both received clear analog reception. From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Fri Mar 03 08:13:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99998 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 16:13:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2006 16:13:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp1.freeserve.com) (193.252.22.158) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 16:13:23 -0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3012.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E71351C0008B for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 17:13:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk (user-1686.lns4-c12.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.70.102.150]) by mwinf3012.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BC40D1C00083 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 17:13:08 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20060303161308771.BC40D1C00083@mwinf3012.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:13:12 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1141399736.216.94237.m17@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1141399736.216.94237.m17@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-Originating-IP: 193.252.22.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: Murata X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669; y=TovlHb-CA6ACsNyB1MAmmgFDOa98YZm2BmMtVFOClJasGsEDMjBmHGWk X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Sotiris, >Subject: Looking for Ceramic Reasonators at 3.60MHz!!! Murata have a bunch of distributors: http://www.murata-europe.com/countries/distributors/index.htm though none in Greece by the look of it. A major US parts house who sell Murata products are: http://www.mouser.com/ Farnell here in the UK would charge you an arm and a leg so forget about the Britain. -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com Check out our Cyprus based stream: www.ammusicradio.com From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri Mar 03 09:14:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16552 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 17:14:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2006 17:14:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 17:14:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2006 17:13:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2006 17:13:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 17:13:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 194.219.66.178 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: Murata X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=1M9_amgZcKtHwydMG2TqPDufhd_FsBC3tZTBFk4yXRg X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi Phil=20 Have search accross the distrubutors of Murata and can't find one tat=20 has the 3.60MHz CERRAS I'm looking for... :(=20 Have got some answers thu and now I'm going to discuss it with my=20 partners here... :))=20 It's a receiver project...=20 Problem is I want to complete making it (including production) before=20 the ROHS IC's killing date...=20 Regards=20 Sotiris --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Philip de Cadenet=20 wrote: > > Sotiris, >=20 > >Subject: Looking for Ceramic Reasonators at 3.60MHz!!! >=20 > Murata have a bunch of distributors: >=20 > http://www.murata-europe.com/countries/distributors/index.htm >=20 > though none in Greece by the look of it. >=20 > A major US parts house who sell Murata products are:=20 > http://www.mouser.com/ >=20 > Farnell here in the UK would charge you an arm and a leg so forget=20 about=20 > the Britain. >=20 > --=20 > Philip de Cadenet > Transmitters 'R' Us > http://www.transmittersrus.com > Check out our Cyprus based stream: www.ammusicradio.com > From jimbo@burgan.net Fri Mar 03 09:38:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24846 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 17:38:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2006 17:38:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm29.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.60) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 17:38:47 -0000 Received: from pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (pimout2-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.217]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k23HbKbi004889 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:37:20 -0500 X-ORBL: [68.72.58.138] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-72-58-138.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.72.58.138]) by pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id k23Hbion017632 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:37:45 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01c63ee9$2d582010$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <20060303160150.57651.qmail@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:37:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0609-3, 03/03/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLW has a backup plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=lcKsPJiJWqsDeHI_ovyh6upBS7zK0S517QGraQPbM5G6MTo X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > WLW has hedged their bets pretty good: last weekend they installed an HD > transmitter, by Wednesday they were on XM radio. What's that tell you? > Could it be... > They are so afraid of losing regional coverage at night when IBOC hits the > fan, > that they had to have a backup on XM? > > However, my contact couldn't tell me if they have a stereo audio chain at > WLW. > WLW on XM is mono. WLW does not have a stereo air chain, at least they never have in the past. That may change now. I hate to hear that they are going back on the IBOC bandwagon.. When they tested it last summer they killed my Chicago Cubs games for nearly 3 months (their buzz-saw covered WGN here in Central Indiana). I filed a complaint last summer (or was it 2 summers ago?), but WLW stopped testing about that same time so I didn't give it any further thought. When they fire it up this time I am going to scream bloody murder. WLW should start causing interference in much of WOR's secondary coverage area too, and since WOR has a null to the west, they won't do much damage to WLW's secondary coverage area, except in the extreme northeast. Just a tad of poetic justice in that scenario. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Mar 03 13:14:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79508 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 21:14:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2006 21:14:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 21:14:04 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-75-127.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.51.75.127] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FFHb8-0000EH-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 16:14:02 -0500 Message-ID: <007c01c63f07$639751a0$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060303160150.57651.qmail@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001f01c63ee9$2d582010$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:13:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLW has a backup plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=ZVzzY6sytwhlenEE85cgwNjQvAYf-9oIYHar9QQc4WOZBaFYVgRGWjIW4KBHHg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Jim Burgan wrote: > WLW does not have a stereo air chain, at least they never have in the > past. Once upon a time, WLW was a KAHN Stereo station when they played Oldies. They briefly tried C-QUAM, but was so turned off by the platform motion, they went Mono. The Continental was the only transmitter they ever used in Stereo. AFAIK, they never used their Stereo exciter in the PowerSide mode. They are now using a Stereo Omnia processor in the air chain, but I don't know of the STL is still stereo. Most of their programming is Mono anyway. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Mar 03 14:27:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86039 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 22:27:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2006 22:27:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 22:27:52 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-75-127.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.51.75.127] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FFIkZ-0006Db-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 17:27:51 -0500 Message-ID: <011001c63f11$b371c750$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060303160150.57651.qmail@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 17:27:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLW has a backup plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=wgGVTXeho1zF-jcXD9sHDBa5MNlCJMYtUDEjR6QxKFR4gQKVKpEJdarnzttJhw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 John P. wrote: > They are so afraid of losing regional coverage at night when IBOC hits the > fan, that they had to have a backup on XM? That is a wise move to go to XM while they have the chance. Just wait till WSM, WFAN,WSCR, WPTF, WLW, WOR, WGN, WSB, WJR, WABC, and WBBM are ALL running HD. There will be no such thing as DX on that section of the dial. You had better enjoy your Cubbies and CHWO while you can. You won't be able to hear any of the clears outside of their COLs before long! This is why Lenny is suing Ibiquity. Hope he wins! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Mar 03 14:49:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24357 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 22:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2006 22:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (66.193.185.18) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 22:49:10 -0000 Received: from Chris (unverified [207.96.3.80]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.3.459.0) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 17:50:13 -0500 X-Modus-BlackList: ccuff@in4web.com=OK Message-ID: <000c01c63f14$9c9fc510$500360cf@Chris> To: References: Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 17:48:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 66.193.185.18 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Murata X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613; y=6FU7MGv8Mp2R4Y53WwmVonQkydMFmaTy-jrJkjXevo4N-uOh8CfzNfWG X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I have 200 (I might have 300, but all I found right now was 200) 3.6 resonators- I emailed Sotiris, but did not get a reply- If interested, let me know- Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sotiris" To: Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 12:13 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Murata From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 03 15:44:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74221 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 23:44:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2006 23:44:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.221) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 23:44:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2006 23:44:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2006 23:44:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2006 23:44:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 23:44:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <011001c63f11$b371c750$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.231.215 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLW has a backup plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=S1_QR6QKBHTnPe-1Luh1l5ict5gUQwBT4PjBBkBApdTPOzibCw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > That is a wise move to go to XM while they have the chance. Just > wait till WSM, WFAN,WSCR, WPTF, WLW, WOR, WGN, WSB, WJR, WABC, and > WBBM are ALL running HD. There will be no such thing as DX on that > section of the dial.=20 > You had better enjoy your Cubbies and CHWO while you can. You won't > be able to hear any of the clears outside of their COLs before > long! Yup... the hash surrounding 710 WOR's digital signal is so broad, it=20 wiped out 740 CHWO when they (and WLW) were testing IBOC at night. I should have recorded it when WOR and WLW were cycling their IBOC=20 sidebands on and off in alternating 30-second intervals; tuning in=20 one of the neighboring signals and listening to the interference=20 abruptly come and go was very revealing. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Mar 03 19:13:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+/Qb++71+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25710 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2006 03:13:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2006 03:13:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2006 03:13:30 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.158]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 61689605 for ; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 21:13:29 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <006501c63f3a$ab16f7a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <019801c63e64$85a0d6c0$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 21:20:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 25, in=21, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.158 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kahn sues iBiquity and Clear Channel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=ONXb-6nWT0r-Y25jqNeQ2pzUwUNrKj-K6CxzQTXHyCtT5WpQnmkC X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude He's a lot further behind the curve now than he was in the old AM stereo battles so it doesn't bode well for him, but I'll still root for ol' Lenny on this one for all the reasons you will. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > > That is better than having 530KC - 1710KC loaded with 5K audio and Hiss! > > > > Kahn is a master of the poisoned apple. > > The IBOC apple tree needs to be poisined before it's shade kills the AM > garden for good. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Mar 03 19:17:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+/Qb++71+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11869 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2006 03:17:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2006 03:17:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2006 03:17:30 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.158]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 58882491 for ; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 21:17:29 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c63f3b$3a28a380$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 21:24:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 17, in=12, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.158 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kahn sues iBiquity and Clear Channel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=aNvz-WkOr9hUA2UyCj9HLrohFx5-6SPFeUwp-YxES4KdLhXYuvjs X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Where did you read this? I'm asking because late last year Radio World mentioned that hybrid DRM would cause the same problems as IBOC. If that article was wrong it would be good to have proof. It could be used to derail IBOC on AM. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > > I'm not anti-digital- I would've preferred DAB over IBOC, and I > believe DRM should be an option (it's narrower and actually DXable, > plus in hybrid mode it does not cause adjacent-channel interference), From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Mar 03 19:25:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+/Qb++71+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60956 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2006 03:25:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2006 03:25:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2006 03:25:41 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.158]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 58884904 for ; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 21:25:40 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <009401c63f3c$5ea38440$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <1141399736.216.94237.m17@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 21:33:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 17, in=14, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.158 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Murata X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=Cuhkqw7OwKbqQf1VLNQQhveq_ZuSYEHcntXaMY02c8Xwd9T2DJNj X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I've never seen the 3.6 ones listed in any catalog. IIRC it's only been an OEM type item. Memory is fuzzy, but I seem to remember Greg Buchwald of Motorola saying a 3.58 was close enough to work. It would be interesting to try each and do a comparison. Let us know if you do the experiment and how it turns out. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip de Cadenet" > > A major US parts house who sell Murata products are: > http://www.mouser.com/ > > Farnell here in the UK would charge you an arm and a leg so forget about > the Britain. From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri Mar 03 20:29:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52175 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2006 04:29:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2006 04:29:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2006 04:29:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2006 04:28:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2006 04:28:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 04:28:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c63f14$9c9fc510$500360cf@Chris> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.202.50.97 From: "Sotiris" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Murata X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=K8uF50iCmx2Ddljopcdlimh6xk47KIQa1VXYlkUPCJ8 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > > I have 200 (I might have 300, but all I found right now was 200)=20 3.6=20 > resonators- I emailed Sotiris, but did not get a reply- If=20 interested, let=20 > me know- > Chris > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Sotiris" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 12:13 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Murata > Hi Chris i've seen your email and I've got to take the approval of my partners=20 about it... Send a price for the 200pcs lot. We will do it out=20 of 'Baywatch' :))=20 best regards=20 Sotiris From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri Mar 03 20:34:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23891 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2006 04:34:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2006 04:34:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2006 04:34:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2006 04:34:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2006 04:34:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 04:34:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009401c63f3c$5ea38440$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.202.50.97 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Murata X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=bTitiV0llomM-T6vz8yTua1iWt90_taopgeBQFHDvq0 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi Scott=20 Yes I've also heard about the 3.58 CERRAS working for 3.6MHz, but I=20 haven't tested at lab to see what will be the results... on the=20 circuit of the CQUAM decoder as it is the VCO ref of the quadrature=20 4pi multip[lier to decode the IQ...=20 Thinking to use a diferrent IF as this will lead to another CERRAS=20 type that might be available... Best regards Sotiris --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > I've never seen the 3.6 ones listed in any catalog. IIRC it's only=20 been an > OEM type item. Memory is fuzzy, but I seem to remember Greg=20 Buchwald of > Motorola saying a 3.58 was close enough to work. It would be=20 interesting to > try each and do a comparison. Let us know if you do the experiment=20 and how > it turns out. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Philip de Cadenet" >=20 > > > > A major US parts house who sell Murata products are: > > http://www.mouser.com/ > > > > Farnell here in the UK would charge you an arm and a leg so=20 forget about > > the Britain. > From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Mar 04 00:13:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34084 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2006 08:13:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2006 08:13:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (66.193.185.18) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2006 08:13:00 -0000 Received: from Chris (unverified [207.96.3.80]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.3.459.0) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2006 03:14:28 -0500 X-Modus-BlackList: ccuff@in4web.com=OK Message-ID: <000c01c63f63$6f0f1750$500360cf@Chris> To: References: <1141399736.216.94237.m17@yahoogroups.com> <009401c63f3c$5ea38440$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 03:12:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 66.193.185.18 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Murata X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613; y=Fb41bmM-wjo0Qns6ZkGACQIY-884K-DeFG4MCkHE3t2bHIiFUiGKG93X X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 The 3.58 will not work reliably with the Motorola IC's... Been there, done that- they "will" work with the TA8124 Toshiba decoder IC's, however. (they don't work as well as with a real 3.6, but will work) Intersetingly, the 3.6 has never been a standard catalog item for the USA market, but was in their catalog in Japan. Koji informed me it is possible that Murata discontinued these. chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" From mcseke@rogers.com Sun Mar 05 19:25:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mcseke@rogers.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54333 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2006 03:25:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2006 03:25:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.233) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2006 03:25:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2006 03:24:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2006 03:24:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2006 03:24:29 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 03:24:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.231.171.206 From: "miklos" Subject: Sony ST-JX220A X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=118698225; y=7oHb26X6C0QLo6vfCYmc-7xEx1dDbheTSAJ4ibBrxRnyIXbdAMA X-Yahoo-Profile: mikloscseke HI, The AM tuning steps in my version of this tuner is 9kHz ,I wonder if=20 somebody could help and tell me how to change it to 10kHz. Thanks, Miklos From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Mar 05 19:43:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98134 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2006 03:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2006 03:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2006 03:43:12 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-75-127.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.51.75.127] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FG6cp-0006xb-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 05 Mar 2006 22:43:11 -0500 Message-ID: <043901c640d0$168a1080$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 22:43:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony ST-JX220A X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=iVCMhV7TWfyXS6PpYVW_bLxfsjwbyFFN8fm_8JCvOypxi1ZFJ6NrJrzGT-941A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 miklos wrote: > The AM tuning steps in my version of this tuner is 9kHz ,I wonder if > somebody could help and tell me how to change it to 10kHz. Hold down the "+" tuning button while turning it on. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From mcseke@rogers.com Sun Mar 05 20:39:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mcseke@rogers.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69762 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2006 04:39:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2006 04:39:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2006 04:39:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2006 04:39:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2006 04:39:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 04:39:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <043901c640d0$168a1080$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.231.171.206 From: "miklos" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony ST-JX220A X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=118698225; y=kdpDYi0qmW3ZbFLK4E7UT-dlXeDSuO38oMuOfM4yi82ckXWuIN4 X-Yahoo-Profile: mikloscseke Thanks Kevin. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > miklos wrote: > > The AM tuning steps in my version of this tuner is 9kHz ,I wonder=20 if=20 > > somebody could help and tell me how to change it to 10kHz. >=20 > Hold down the "+" tuning button while turning it on. >=20 > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a=20 mathematical=20 > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard=20 Kahn > From petersdad2001@yahoo.com Mon Mar 06 00:02:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: petersdad2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25048 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2006 08:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2006 08:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.90) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2006 08:02:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2006 08:02:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2006 08:02:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 08:02:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006501c63f3a$ab16f7a0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.183.29.140 From: "Alan Oda" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kahn sues iBiquity and Clear Channel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=79442875; y=P0gvbvKrXYZ0Vv7pOQslW10BUBtBp0PMrDRCAOo92yTml7SbrbIiaQ X-Yahoo-Profile: petersdad2001 Just a quick question - I thought I'd heard that IBOC can allow up to 8 kHz, which is what I think KNX here in L.A. employed. Also, when KNX reinstalled their IBOC after an experience with equipment failure, the hash on 1090 was not nearly as bad and I can actually hear XX Sportsradio (formerly "The Mighty 1090") from San Diego, albeit with a bit of interference. It'll be interesting to see what happens with the Kahn lawsuit.=20 Meanwhile, I know that all of the ABC stations are signed up to go IBOC sooner than later, I'll miss the clean stereo signal of KABC as much as I miss the marvelous AM stereo signal that KNX used to have. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > He's a lot further behind the curve now than he was in the old AM stereo > battles so it doesn't bode well for him, but I'll still root for ol' Lenny > on this one for all the reasons you will. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Possum Hunter" >=20 > > > > That is better than having 530KC - 1710KC loaded with 5K audio and Hiss! > > > > > > Kahn is a master of the poisoned apple. > > > > The IBOC apple tree needs to be poisined before it's shade kills the AM > > garden for good. > From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Mon Mar 06 16:09:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25549 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2006 00:09:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2006 00:09:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.226) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2006 00:09:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2006 00:09:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2006 00:09:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2006 00:09:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 00:09:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c63f63$6f0f1750$500360cf@Chris> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.16.207.180 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: Murata X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=6TmzN4Ik1gMZp0HSMmifaqkmKn_JI6IXkNl9BLqQmCYnHaj0-2k6 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Solitaris, I diligently spent four years contacting mUrata, Mitsumi, Toko, and many other companies in search of the necessary parts. I then spent hundreds of hours testing different scenarios for the best possible performance, resulting in the AMX-2000 tuner introduction last year. You cannot use the 3.58MHz ceramic resonator with the MC13028 chip. It will not decode stereo, though the stereo LED will=20 illuminate (tested this with a Carver TX-2 tuner). You can use the 3.60MHz ceramic resonator with the TA8124 and 455kHz I.F, however=20 do not use the parallel capacitor across the resonator (confirmed=20 with Aiwa CSD-EX120 modification).=20=20 =20=20 As tested with a MC14047, the CSA3.60MG ceramic resonators actually peak at 3.63MHz without the parallel capacitor. Later manufactured MC13028 chips have the capacitor internal to the chip for the ceramic resonator. mUrata discontinued the "through-hole" ceramic resonators long ago. You can still purchase surface mount resonators, in 500 lot quantity, directly from mUrata distributor.=20=20 You can use L/C combination for the MC13028 oscillator at eight times the incoming I.F however L/C will not function at all with the TA8124 chip.=20=20=20 73, Jeff Deck http://Meduci.com=20=20 =20=20 You write: >The 3.58 will not work reliably with the Motorola IC's... Been=20 >there, done that- they "will" work with the TA8124 Toshiba decoder=20 >IC's, however. (they don't work as well as with a real 3.6, but will >work) Intersetingly, the 3.6 has never been a standard catalog item >for the USA market, but was in their catalog in Japan. Koji=20 >informed me it is possible that Murata discontinued these. >chris From wnmb@sc.rr.com Mon Mar 06 16:52:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68727 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2006 00:52:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2006 00:52:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2006 00:52:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2006 00:52:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2006 00:52:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 00:52:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.211.44.209 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: Radio World AM Stereo Article Coming In April & Rambling X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=QZaJuRgtZzoS7v4dsvrIBc79zOkEZjWAnPQqZUlWd8Yuzg X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 The folks at Radio World have told me they are publishing a piece I=20 wrote about AM Stereo in their April issue. They asked for some=20 comments and some photos. Since we converted to stereo we've had calls from several other=20 stations around the country and some good vibes that at least some=20 of them were either "turning it back on" or converting. We've continued to experience good things and have now had either=20 visits or calls from almost two dozen people who've let us know they=20 can hear us in stereo. Since many people will never make contact,=20 those who have certainly have warmed our days. On a side note, I just read a report by our consulting engineer=20 about tons of AM interference likely to come to analog as more HD=20 stations debut on AM. Well, the Beach season will be here soon, so all AM Stereo people=20 are invited to come to North Myrtle Beach for a visit. Seriously,=20 we welcome visitors and we can help arrange some lower than normal=20 cost lodging. Do you think we could get Tom Ray from WOR to come to North Myrtle=20 Beach and bring a Boston Acoustics Radio? it would be nice to=20 compare the sound as opposed to one of Jeff's tuners or my=20 collection of Carver TX-11a units. Final note, we've been constantly working on tweaking the stereo.=20=20 It's a little tougher with an AM directional station, but we are=20 just about there. The sound has gotten real smooth and we're=20 attaining our goal of being bright and crisp with a noticeable=20 difference from other stations in the area. Separation is awesome. Airchecks soon if anyone wants one. That's all my rambling for the moment! Bill. wnmb. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon Mar 06 17:48:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+bBC7+74+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60736 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2006 01:48:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2006 01:48:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2006 01:48:26 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.239]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 62277468 for ; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 19:48:24 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c6418a$4bac1960$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 19:55:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.212.239 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio World AM Stereo Article Coming In April & Rambling X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=G-wWfztgYwSPt1GzqgwLok2L4AtO99X8n_YPwv4CrtwMrRIUACbz X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Makes me wish I lived a lot closer than I do. Hope your article sparks LOTS of interest. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Norman" > Well, the Beach season will be here soon, so all AM Stereo people > are invited to come to North Myrtle Beach for a visit. Seriously, > we welcome visitors and we can help arrange some lower than normal > cost lodging. > Do you think we could get Tom Ray from WOR to come to North Myrtle > Beach and bring a Boston Acoustics Radio? it would be nice to > compare the sound as opposed to one of Jeff's tuners or my > collection of Carver TX-11a units. From mtgc@hotmail.com Mon Mar 06 18:22:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73737 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2006 02:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2006 02:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.14) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2006 02:22:16 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 18:22:16 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 02:22:11 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <002a01c6418a$4bac1960$d503fea9@stodd> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 21:22:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2006 02:22:16.0429 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3DEB1D0:01C6418D] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.14 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio World AM Stereo Article Coming In April & Rambling X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=ciCiOU-HqouiTwtFbK2_Jh7RkzH8QzcfPurBKCwsHm_ihwg0GTjV X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Mr. Ray, The ball is in your court. MTGC (MIchael) >From: "Scott Todd" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio World AM Stereo Article Coming In April & >Rambling >Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 19:55:47 -0600 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 >X-Sender: SRS0+bBC7+74+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com >Received: from n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.56]) by >bay0-mc2-f18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 6 >Mar 2006 17:56:57 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar >2006 01:48:33 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.61] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar >2006 01:48:28 -0000 >Received: (qmail 60736 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2006 01:48:26 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >7 Mar 2006 01:48:26 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by >mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2006 01:48:26 -0000 >Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.239]) by cpinternet.com >(SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 62277468 for >; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 19:48:24 -0600 CST >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGw9qXDaKItAFW2SO+ubnkq+xsbD3bKFH0= >Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; >d=yahoogroups.com;b=hADiEsgRuZbMo5x9BNLaTjRaAseHUuJ9D7PE/dOGNUCViyec9AUccvuRtIsME2uhR8lGnLkezL9bydx54CJit2cA0keZ739VkAhtUrQkjO5ZxdWv9T7xT0p51EtI1by5; >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >References: >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 >X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 >X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet >X-External-IP: 64.61.212.239 >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 >X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >List-Id: >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-22762-1141696107-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2006 01:56:57.0226 (UTC) >FILETIME=[6A5AB6A0:01C6418A] > >Makes me wish I lived a lot closer than I do. Hope your article sparks >LOTS >of interest. > >Scott Todd > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill Norman" > > > Well, the Beach season will be here soon, so all AM Stereo people > > are invited to come to North Myrtle Beach for a visit. Seriously, > > we welcome visitors and we can help arrange some lower than normal > > cost lodging. > > Do you think we could get Tom Ray from WOR to come to North Myrtle > > Beach and bring a Boston Acoustics Radio? it would be nice to > > compare the sound as opposed to one of Jeff's tuners or my > > collection of Carver TX-11a units. > > From starship_2001@msn.com Tue Mar 07 02:33:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89617 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2006 10:33:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2006 10:33:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.93) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2006 10:33:18 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 02:33:08 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.6 by BAY106-DAV21.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 10:33:05 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 10:33:05 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2006 10:33:08.0343 (UTC) FILETIME=[86942070:01C641D2] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.93 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio World AM Stereo Article Coming In April & Rambling X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=z-SAzRNqUiTLM1zO5B3LZQfTLUVHZHDgwLMcETp-a6z7vRm0BkEZX6Pi4w X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Me too. Wish i could stop by there myself. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Todd Sent: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 17:55:47 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio World AM Stereo Article Coming In April & Rambling Makes me wish I lived a lot closer than I do. Hope your article sparks LOTS of interest. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Norman" > Well, the Beach season will be here soon, so all AM Stereo people > are invited to come to North Myrtle Beach for a visit. Seriously, > we welcome visitors and we can help arrange some lower than normal > cost lodging. > Do you think we could get Tom Ray from WOR to come to North Myrtle > Beach and bring a Boston Acoustics Radio? it would be nice to > compare the sound as opposed to one of Jeff's tuners or my > collection of Carver TX-11a units. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Wed Mar 08 15:21:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79921 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2006 23:21:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2006 23:21:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.27) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2006 23:21:40 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:21:18 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 Mar 2006 23:21:14 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 18:21:14 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2006 23:21:18.0998 (UTC) FILETIME=[0129B360:01C64307] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" Subject: A Chris Cuff AM Stereo Transmitter question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=rQmq2RGSa6n2Es8DaWvt6SSjyGkAujjpmF2ST8eZAUvJ3yHLYJmK X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 With all my thanks to all of you in this forum, I am finally almost ready to go on the air. I have the Chris Cuff 100 MW unit and I have only one more question, hopefully. If you are looking down on the component side of this unit, with the power switch to the bottom right, you have two wires coming from the left and right top of this unit. Which of these is the antenna lead and which is ground. I do not want to appear ignorant, but I do not want to get these two leads confused at this late date. All help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, MTGC (Michael) Soon to be on the air at 1080 am in glorious AM Stereo!!! From tomray@wor710.com Wed Mar 08 17:50:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25938 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2006 01:50:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2006 01:50:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.224) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2006 01:50:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n4.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2006 01:50:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2006 01:50:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2006 01:50:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 01:50:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Radio World AM Stereo Article Coming In April & Rambling X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=A72CkC7mzfvriV7TYWRIGdFEoeXyRNkY7M1E7mL92TQqubeC X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Sorry, Gents, but my vacation time is my time, and I have better things to do than travel to North Carolina to play radio. I do that on a daily basis.=20 And I can't justify this trip in my travel budget. North Carolina is not in our coverage area, and since there's nothing like an NAB show there...... Basically, I simply don't have time to play games like this. Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" wrote: > > Mr. Ray, >=20 > The ball is in your court. >=20 > MTGC (MIchael) >=20 >=20 > >From: "Scott Todd" > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio World AM Stereo Article Coming In April &=20 > >Rambling > >Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 19:55:47 -0600 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 > >X-Sender: SRS0+bBC7+74+mpcinternet.net=3Dstodd@... > >Received: from n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.56]) by=20 > >bay0-mc2-f18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 6=20 > >Mar 2006 17:56:57 -0800 > >Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar=20 > >2006 01:48:33 -0000 > >Received: from [66.218.66.61] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar=20 > >2006 01:48:28 -0000 > >Received: (qmail 60736 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2006 01:48:26 -0000 > >Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP;=20 > >7 Mar 2006 01:48:26 -0000 > >Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by=20 > >mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2006 01:48:26 -0000 > >Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.239]) by cpinternet.com=20 > >(SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 62277468 for=20 > >; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 19:48:24 -0600 CST > >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGw9qXDaKItAFW2SO+ubnkq+xsbD3bKFH0=3D > >Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys > >DomainKey-Signature: a=3Drsa-sha1; q=3Ddns; c=3Dnofws; s=3Dlima;=20 > >d=3Dyahoogroups.com;b=3DhADiEsgRuZbMo5x9BNLaTjRaAseHUuJ9D7PE/dOGNUCViyec9A= UccvuRtIsME2uhR8lGnLkezL9bydx54CJit2cA0keZ739VkAhtUrQkjO5ZxdWv9T7xT0p51EtI1= by5; > >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email > >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >References: > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 > >X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 > >X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet > >X-External-IP: 64.61.212.239 > >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 > >X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude > >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact=20 > >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com > >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >List-Id: > >Precedence: bulk > >List-Unsubscribe: > >Return-Path:=20 > >sentto-4085512-22762-1141696107-mtgc=3Dhotmail.com@... > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2006 01:56:57.0226 (UTC)=20 > >FILETIME=3D[6A5AB6A0:01C6418A] > > > >Makes me wish I lived a lot closer than I do. Hope your article sparks=20 > >LOTS > >of interest. > > > >Scott Todd > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Bill Norman" > > > > > Well, the Beach season will be here soon, so all AM Stereo people > > > are invited to come to North Myrtle Beach for a visit. Seriously, > > > we welcome visitors and we can help arrange some lower than normal > > > cost lodging. > > > Do you think we could get Tom Ray from WOR to come to North Myrtle > > > Beach and bring a Boston Acoustics Radio? it would be nice to > > > compare the sound as opposed to one of Jeff's tuners or my > > > collection of Carver TX-11a units. > > > > > From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 09 00:47:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55788 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2006 08:47:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2006 08:47:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.200) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2006 08:47:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 97185 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2006 08:46:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimpw27q02wqz0) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@71.142.228.228 with login) by smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2006 08:46:17 -0000 Message-ID: <000b01bf54e7$22eb0770$d50bfea9@jimpw27q02wqz0> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 22:03:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: Subject: Glad to see X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=zUGKVI_dohGjIKMMJxEMtfwaB0K-PZ3X645pd2V9pX2341S4JPqWzF6SbR1UWkgl1NqGaAxG X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I am glad to see the two new AMS stations on now hope to see more soon!!!! Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Mar 09 06:52:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93877 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2006 14:52:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2006 14:52:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (66.193.185.18) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2006 14:52:29 -0000 Received: from in4web.com (unverified [127.0.0.1]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.3.459.0) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:46:12 -0500 X-Modus-BlackList: 127.0.0.1=OK;ccuff@in4web.com=OK X-Modus-RBL: 127.0.0.1=OK X-Modus-Trusted: 127.0.0.1=NO Message-ID: <18be8813ba954141a0bf38c9ff665e4c.ccuff@in4web.com> X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 2, 6 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:46:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Originating-IP: 66.193.185.18 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "" Subject: RE: {AMSF} A Chris Cuff AM Stereo Transmitter question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613; y=I8PTSUPipl5Q0SXMga81Os42NAFZONbJFgTHni-c0EXFK2yy-uZi-Yzw X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Michael, The wire at the back left side is the antenna (diagonally opposite the power switch) Chris ------- Original Message ------- From : MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO[mailto:mtgc@hotmail.com] Sent : 3/8/2006 6:21:14 PM To : amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc : Subject : RE: {AMSF} A Chris Cuff AM Stereo Transmitter question From mtgc@hotmail.com Thu Mar 09 08:44:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57030 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2006 16:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2006 16:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.15) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2006 16:44:24 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:44:02 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 16:43:58 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <18be8813ba954141a0bf38c9ff665e4c.ccuff@in4web.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 11:43:58 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Mar 2006 16:44:02.0362 (UTC) FILETIME=[ABD571A0:01C64398] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" Subject: RE: {AMSF} A Chris Cuff AM Stereo Transmitter question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=QfDTud2318lvPHJab1YOlt4JkZ2nNErr_1swOthQvQMqVO_BKQS_ X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Chris, Another question. When I attach the ground lead to a good earth ground, my signal goes down severly. What am i doing wrong? Thanks, Michael >From: "" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: {AMSF} A Chris Cuff AM Stereo Transmitter question >Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:46:12 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 66.193.185.18 >X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com >Received: from n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.36]) by >bay0-mc12-f9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 9 >Mar 2006 06:54:08 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar >2006 14:52:31 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.99] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar >2006 14:52:31 -0000 >Received: (qmail 93877 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2006 14:52:29 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >9 Mar 2006 14:52:29 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (66.193.185.18) by >mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2006 14:52:29 -0000 >Received: from in4web.com (unverified [127.0.0.1]) by mail.in4web.com >(Vircom SMTPRS 4.3.459.0) with ESMTP id for >; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:46:12 -0500 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHHYpbB3Rz5Cbl64pV9iscIeTxzLZWFf9A= >Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; >d=yahoogroups.com;b=FFbVFbZN0zziu1/M8NIfShkqRa8pgf3L+1dajKxNLS1YvkqcxCqbWhlhmsGQ8pGcadaZxo2NAyuD3guWQ2UTXPaKdup0KSLcwVKkMxvPzNSXI1pLS4Jly7mUmIvJX9tl; >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >X-Modus-BlackList: 127.0.0.1=OK;ccuff@in4web.com=OK >X-Modus-RBL: 127.0.0.1=OK >X-Modus-Trusted: 127.0.0.1=NO >X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 2, 6 >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 >X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >List-Id: >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-22768-1141915950-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Mar 2006 14:54:09.0006 (UTC) >FILETIME=[51E328E0:01C64389] > >Michael, The wire at the back left side is the antenna (diagonally opposite >the power switch) >Chris > > > >------- Original Message ------- >From : MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO[mailto:mtgc@hotmail.com] >Sent : 3/8/2006 6:21:14 PM >To : amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Cc : >Subject : RE: {AMSF} A Chris Cuff AM Stereo Transmitter question > > > From badeditpro@charter.net Thu Mar 09 14:55:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85416 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2006 22:55:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2006 22:55:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf37.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.162) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2006 22:55:27 -0000 Received: from mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.143]) by mxsf37.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k29MtAvP007309 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 17:55:11 -0500 Received: from 24-241-13-230.dhcp.rnrp.nc.charter.com (HELO yourfd6nvjcer4) ([24.241.13.230]) by mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 09 Mar 2006 17:55:10 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,180,1139202000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="65081415:sNHT34754186" Message-ID: <000601c643cc$8658e540$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 17:55:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.28.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: QUESTION: Aphex Compeller 'Stereo Enhance' feature. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=bOHOZSAQz3YDc-IokMpGnO7ByawesHw5rQ-k4JuuIM8_o0B0Ph6aH72BlcWt X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey All, I'm wondering if anyone here might know this. How EXACTLY does an Aphex Compeller 320 'enhance' the stereo when you turn the stereo enhance feature on? The manual is vague to say the very least.... :) Joe Collins [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Mar 09 15:11:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81390 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2006 23:11:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2006 23:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (66.193.185.18) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2006 23:10:54 -0000 Received: from Chris (unverified [207.96.2.101]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.3.459.0) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 18:08:26 -0500 X-Modus-BlackList: ccuff@in4web.com=OK Message-ID: <000c01c643ce$72e25f80$650260cf@Chris> To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 18:08:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 66.193.185.18 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Chris Cuff AM Stereo Transmitter question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613; y=n5OhJMMQtC9arzxVDtDyJhdc7LkrWEN3q36DhVvzMV-mBKXAUYss6KoQ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Michael, that means your antenna and the transmitter are not matched yet. You need to chat with Darwin about antenna tuning- he is the expert. Powell might be able to help, too. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" To: Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:43 AM Subject: RE: {AMSF} A Chris Cuff AM Stereo Transmitter question > Chris, > > Another question. When I attach the ground lead to a good earth ground, > my > signal goes down severly. What am i doing wrong? > From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 09 15:19:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21762 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2006 23:19:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2006 23:19:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.203) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2006 23:19:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 27327 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2006 23:19:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimpw27q02wqz0) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@71.143.28.38 with login) by smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2006 23:19:56 -0000 Message-ID: <000801bf5431$4431ac60$d50bfea9@jimpw27q02wqz0> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 00:21:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: HD RADIO at night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=v-0OWT8Icf-fhHcp5SdPjJcXV6HqNsKPc2fmgmruI7trE4b8p3bWgjWAVXfGZqjJ6BdHl1uE X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Dose any know when FCC is going to do about IBOC at night? I have one local thats on the IBOC List KIID AM 1470 . I have no dought that FCC will say yes to night time IBOC. Thay have not done any thing right for a long time. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Thu Mar 09 15:35:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28955 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2006 23:35:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2006 23:35:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.20) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2006 23:35:37 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:35:26 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 23:35:24 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <000c01c643ce$72e25f80$650260cf@Chris> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 18:35:24 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Mar 2006 23:35:26.0300 (UTC) FILETIME=[249B79C0:01C643D2] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Chris Cuff AM Stereo Transmitter question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=jx8ACLMW2I9B55_J5TVnZIgAJW8g6BaU_EPdQWVAagQG97z5k_br X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Thanks Chris. As information, I am using a long wire, about 40 feet for my antenna, and my ground is an 8 foot copper rod driven in the ground about 5 feet from the transmitter. If Darwin or Powell could chime in with any help, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, MTGC (Michael) >From: "Chris Cuff" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Chris Cuff AM Stereo Transmitter question >Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 18:08:57 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 66.193.185.18 >X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com >Received: from n9a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.43]) by >bay0-mc10-f10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 9 >Mar 2006 15:11:59 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar >2006 23:11:55 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.98] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar >2006 23:11:55 -0000 >Received: (qmail 81390 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2006 23:11:10 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >9 Mar 2006 23:11:09 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (66.193.185.18) by >mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2006 23:10:54 -0000 >Received: from Chris (unverified [207.96.2.101]) by mail.in4web.com >(Vircom SMTPRS 4.3.459.0) with SMTP id for >; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 18:08:26 -0500 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHjJx36Oi8+Z3TmmkSEdPtfpLB7P/ybN8= >Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; >d=yahoogroups.com;b=TAH5OArx1Woe9yd1Zwov+gjWcJB/xLeH6keK5fUdTtJwYdWRbZ4P93RYi/qWnRpKcODzIGAuBS+s/l6Ht5rYVadZ8qirglLV+qKjp4L8TKLG+Sntq2LWNRpwEHNHTxGd; >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >X-Modus-BlackList: ccuff@in4web.com=OK >References: >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 >X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >List-Id: >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-22771-1141945882-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Mar 2006 23:11:59.0141 (UTC) >FILETIME=[DDE00D50:01C643CE] > >Michael, that means your antenna and the transmitter are not matched yet. >You need to chat with Darwin about antenna tuning- he is the expert. Powell >might be able to help, too. >cc From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Mar 09 16:36:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39709 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2006 00:36:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2006 00:36:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2006 00:36:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 80429 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Mar 2006 00:36:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20060310003621.80427.qmail@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.204] by web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 16:36:21 PST Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:36:21 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000801bf5431$4431ac60$d50bfea9@jimpw27q02wqz0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD RADIO at night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=yf1N0HTzE_fr6eoJRIfRYGS_pr8Zar4hmE8QJqoAob8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Jim fix the date on your computer. It says January 1, 2000 --- jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hi Gang Dose any know when FCC is going to do about > IBOC at night? I have one local thats on the IBOC > List KIID AM 1470 . I have no dought that FCC will > say yes to night time IBOC. Thay have not done any > thing right for a long time. Jim Smith Of course they will. ONLY the folks in the large metro areas count. That means from what I gather, I'll have NO night time MW reception. I NOW doubt if ANY Columbia station will decode at night. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Mar 09 16:51:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+WzHw+77+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75085 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2006 00:51:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2006 00:51:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2006 00:51:40 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.86]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 62613338 for ; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 18:49:49 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <005601c643dd$9f77cda0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 18:57:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 1, in=6, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.86 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kahn sues iBiquity and Clear Channel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=0i58X0PXQ-EOWCM6IxDJ3Fuj8I42Oh7nZObvU2z_adhvPCkaAP1E X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The analog can be set to 8k, but the reliability of the digital signal goes south so most opt for 5k. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Oda" > Just a quick question - I thought I'd heard that IBOC can allow up to > 8 kHz, which is what I think KNX here in L.A. employed. From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Mar 09 16:55:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77124 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2006 00:55:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2006 00:55:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30009.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2006 00:55:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 16723 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Mar 2006 00:55:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20060310005501.16713.qmail@web30009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.204] by web30009.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 16:55:01 PST Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:55:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <005601c643dd$9f77cda0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.72 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kahn sues iBiquity and Clear Channel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Ymf3f-E7d8mZt0dIKRNuzJViMcVQ5e1siunkjI5OdTE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Scott Todd wrote: > The analog can be set to 8k, but the reliability of > the digital signal goes > south so most opt for 5k. > Scott Todd The 9200 does not (or appears not to have) have a 5 kilohertz mode, it's 4.5 kilohertz and sounds quite unpleasant. Now the 6 kilohertz mode sounds much better. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From wnmb@sc.rr.com Thu Mar 09 17:28:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97275 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2006 01:28:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2006 01:28:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2006 01:28:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2006 01:28:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2006 01:28:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 01:28:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.211.44.209 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: Re: Radio World AM Stereo Article Coming In April & Rambling X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=gAFNVBK41YtYNrmZMC2oxXsf3ZGU4kh4LHnB2SehtqC4Fw X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > Sorry, Gents, but my vacation time is my time, and I have better > things to do than travel to North Carolina to play radio. I do=20 that > on a daily basis.=20 >=20 > And I can't justify this trip in my travel budget. North Carolina=20 is > not in our coverage area, and since there's nothing like an NAB=20 show > there...... >=20 > Basically, I simply don't have time to play games like this. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR Tom, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but WNMB is not in North=20 Carolina. The last time I saw us on a map and observed our=20 coordinates, we were in South Carolina. However, no games intended here. The c-quam AM stereo being=20 generated through the now antique mode called analog is absolutely=20 beautiful to the ears and it sure makes a pretty picture on the=20 oscope too. Plus, I can transmit in stereo at night and I don't=20 create interference with my neighbors. As to playing, we have lots of New Yorkers here all the time. We've=20 had several broadcasters visit our studios including some very nice=20 people from 1010 WINS, so you are most welcome too. None of them=20 come here to play radio. They do, however, play on the beach, play=20 golf, and participate in the myriad of other fun things to do at the=20 beach. Please accept my best wishes for the continued success of IBOC on=20 WOR. Bill >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL=20 UPTON - > CEO" wrote: > > > > Mr. Ray, > >=20 > > The ball is in your court. > >=20 > > MTGC (MIchael) > >=20 > >=20 > > >From: "Scott Todd" > > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > >To: > > >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio World AM Stereo Article Coming In=20 April &=20 > > >Rambling > > >Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 19:55:47 -0600 > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > >X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 > > >X-Sender: SRS0+bBC7+74+mpcinternet.net=3Dstodd@ > > >Received: from n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.56]) by=20 > > >bay0-mc2-f18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC (6.0.3790.211); > Mon, 6=20 > > >Mar 2006 17:56:57 -0800 > > >Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with > NNFMP; 07 Mar=20 > > >2006 01:48:33 -0000 > > >Received: from [66.218.66.61] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with > NNFMP; 07 Mar=20 > > >2006 01:48:28 -0000 > > >Received: (qmail 60736 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2006=20 01:48:26 -0000 > > >Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com > with QMQP;=20 > > >7 Mar 2006 01:48:26 -0000 > > >Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81)=20=20 by=20 > > >mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2006 01:48:26 -0000 > > >Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.239]) by=20 cpinternet.com=20 > > >(SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 62277468 for=20 > > >; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 19:48:24 - 0600 CST > > >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGw9qXDaKItAFW2SO+ubnkq+xsbD3bKFH0=3D > > >Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys > > >DomainKey-Signature: a=3Drsa-sha1; q=3Ddns; c=3Dnofws; s=3Dlima;=20 > > >=20 >d=3Dyahoogroups.com;b=3DhADiEsgRuZbMo5x9BNLaTjRaAseHUuJ9D7PE/dOGNUCViyec 9AUccvuRtIsME2uhR8lGnLkezL9bydx54CJit2cA0keZ739VkAhtUrQkjO5ZxdWv9T7xT 0p51EtI1by5; > > >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email > > >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > >References: > > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 > > >X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 > > >X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet > > >X-External-IP: 64.61.212.239 > > >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 > > >X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude > > >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact=20 > > >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com > > >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > >List-Id: > > >Precedence: bulk > > >List-Unsubscribe: > > >Return-Path:=20 > > >sentto-4085512-22762-1141696107-mtgc=3Dhotmail.com@ > > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2006 01:56:57.0226 (UTC)=20 > > >FILETIME=3D[6A5AB6A0:01C6418A] > > > > > >Makes me wish I lived a lot closer than I do. Hope your article > sparks=20 > > >LOTS > > >of interest. > > > > > >Scott Todd > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Bill Norman" > > > > > > > Well, the Beach season will be here soon, so all AM Stereo=20 people > > > > are invited to come to North Myrtle Beach for a visit.=20=20 Seriously, > > > > we welcome visitors and we can help arrange some lower than=20 normal > > > > cost lodging. > > > > Do you think we could get Tom Ray from WOR to come to North=20 Myrtle > > > > Beach and bring a Boston Acoustics Radio? it would be nice=20 to > > > > compare the sound as opposed to one of Jeff's tuners or my > > > > collection of Carver TX-11a units. > > > > > > > > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 09 17:36:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 907 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2006 01:36:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2006 01:36:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2006 01:36:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2006 01:36:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2006 01:36:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 01:36:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060310005501.16713.qmail@web30009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.212.251 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kahn sues iBiquity and Clear Channel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=acGEotF5hsgnW-OIsEmvrwvZJjCL2nk_4Y4RGBT22x-6QigxGA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The 9200 does not (or appears not to have) have a 5 > kilohertz mode, it's 4.5 kilohertz and sounds quite > unpleasant. Now the 6 kilohertz mode sounds much > better.=20 The Optimod-AM 9200's audio bandwidth is adjustable between 4.5 and=20 9.5 kHz in 0.5 kHz steps... so, yes, it does have a 5.0 kHz setting. However, it must be set to 4.5 kHz in order to fit the analog=20 modulation within iBiquity's "recommended" AM IBOC emissions mask,=20 and this is what Clear Channel appears to be doing with all their=20 talk stations which are currently transmitting IBOC, including 810 WGY, 1180 WHAM, and 1510 WLAC. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Mar 09 17:37:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67320 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2006 01:37:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2006 01:37:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.90) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2006 01:37:17 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 17:37:17 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.44 by BAY106-DAV18.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 01:37:13 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 01:37:13 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Mar 2006 01:37:17.0565 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A75FAD0:01C643E3] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD RADIO at night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=wtta4z4QFf_VRkOH38kyAPIxL2Fj0fYu-ZGFMTNrH1fTZhNnN9rgBxwn5zs X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit someone from South Carolina said: >Jim fix the date on your computer. >It says January 1,2000 I say: HAPPY NEW YEAR!! someone at latitude 27.761 north -----Original Message----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW Sent: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:36:21 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD RADIO at night Jim fix the date on your computer. It says January 1, 2000 --- jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hi Gang Dose any know when FCC is going to do about > IBOC at night? I have one local thats on the IBOC > List KIID AM 1470 . I have no dought that FCC will > say yes to night time IBOC. Thay have not done any > thing right for a long time. Jim Smith Of course they will. ONLY the folks in the large metro areas count. That means from what I gather, I'll have NO night time MW reception. I NOW doubt if ANY Columbia station will decode at night. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Mar 09 17:41:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95663 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2006 01:41:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2006 01:41:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.68) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2006 01:41:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 61202 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Mar 2006 01:41:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20060310014150.61200.qmail@web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.204] by web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:41:50 PST Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 17:41:50 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD RADIO at night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=R0nDOsBd5RT3Y0l6dk0yIeCpOx74HVF9yQg_UfC_j44 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Donn Tillman wrote: > someone from South Carolina said: > > >Jim fix the date on your computer. > >It says January 1,2000 > > I say: > > HAPPY NEW YEAR!! Behave, Donn, or I'll wear more flannel (inside joke!) Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From wnmb@sc.rr.com Thu Mar 09 17:45:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90566 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2006 01:45:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2006 01:45:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2006 01:45:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2006 01:44:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2006 01:44:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 01:44:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.211.44.209 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: More AM Stereo Radios than I Imagined! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=hWhs79ncmgfFXGSZreSXjt9bmB4vcS7Yerxy0RMnDGWlKQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Folks, I have to tell you there are more AM Stereo radios out there=20 than I thought there were. Since converting my station here to AM=20 Stereo I have been very pleased to hear from many listeners who can=20 indeed here us in stereo. The receivers are in two primary kinds of=20 vehicles; Fords and Chryslers. In particular, we have now had=20 multiple calls and visits from those who own Navigators, Expeditions=20 and Explorers. Next in line comes the Thunderbirds, which are more=20 plentiful here than in some other areas of the country due to our=20 climate. Most of the Fords with AM Stereo I have encountered had the=20 Audiophile "satellite ready" unit, although an 05 Explorer had a=20 Visteon unit. On the Chrysler side, we have encountered several Dodge and=20 Chrysler vans, plus Sebring convertibles. We have had one call from a GM guy. He had a 2002 Cadillac with AM=20 Stereo in it, which probably was the last year for GM to have done=20 so. This kind of response makes me wonder what would have happened if=20 more stations had converted or more had left the stereo turned on.=20=20 We are going to see some AM stations return to stereo this year, and=20 we see a few new ones install it for the first time. Please do all=20 you can to encourage this to happen. If you live near a station=20 that you would like to be in stereo, tell them. I can tell you as=20 a broadcaster, station owners (most of them) do listen to input from=20 listeners and it does influence them. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Mar 09 17:46:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65305 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2006 01:46:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2006 01:46:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.94) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2006 01:46:57 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 17:46:36 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.44 by BAY106-DAV22.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 01:46:34 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 01:46:35 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Mar 2006 01:46:36.0023 (UTC) FILETIME=[7753E870:01C643E4] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio World AM Stereo Article Coming In April & Rambling X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=tuoU9BRoNmpp0EzC6mbLA4FitQdjQHoa1M5EI_9HvWJhoYk21asaJDdi7rY X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill, Loved your civil response, you may be a Yankee! :) (from where I am, I consider Georgia and the Carolinas--- up north!!)....... but you are a true gentleman and I love your website, your live and local format and your streaming. And you're absolutely right about people from New York, for the most part they are wonderful and Florida is sometimes called NYC's southernmost borough. (as well as Canada's southernmost province). Right now plenty of golf, fishing, tennis, tourist resorts and beautiful beach weather (and polo in Palm Beach and The Villages). Donn, 27.761 latitude north -----Original Message----- From: Bill Norman Sent: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 17:28:24 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Radio World AM Stereo Article Coming In April & Rambling --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > Sorry, Gents, but my vacation time is my time, and I have better > things to do than travel to North Carolina to play radio. I do that > on a daily basis. > > And I can't justify this trip in my travel budget. North Carolina is > not in our coverage area, and since there's nothing like an NAB show > there...... > > Basically, I simply don't have time to play games like this. > > Tom Ray > WOR Tom, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but WNMB is not in North Carolina. The last time I saw us on a map and observed our coordinates, we were in South Carolina. However, no games intended here. The c-quam AM stereo being generated through the now antique mode called analog is absolutely beautiful to the ears and it sure makes a pretty picture on the oscope too. Plus, I can transmit in stereo at night and I don't create interference with my neighbors. As to playing, we have lots of New Yorkers here all the time. We've had several broadcasters visit our studios including some very nice people from 1010 WINS, so you are most welcome too. None of them come here to play radio. They do, however, play on the beach, play golf, and participate in the myriad of other fun things to do at the beach. Please accept my best wishes for the continued success of IBOC on WOR. Bill > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - > CEO" wrote: > > > > Mr. Ray, > > > > The ball is in your court. > > > > MTGC (MIchael) > > > > > > >From: "Scott Todd" > > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > >To: > > >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio World AM Stereo Article Coming In April & > > >Rambling > > >Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 19:55:47 -0600 > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > >X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 > > >X-Sender: SRS0+bBC7+74+mpcinternet.net=stodd@ > > >Received: from n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.56]) by > > >bay0-mc2-f18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC (6.0.3790.211); > Mon, 6 > > >Mar 2006 17:56:57 -0800 > > >Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with > NNFMP; 07 Mar > > >2006 01:48:33 -0000 > > >Received: from [66.218.66.61] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with > NNFMP; 07 Mar > > >2006 01:48:28 -0000 > > >Received: (qmail 60736 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2006 01:48:26 -0000 > > >Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com > with QMQP; > > >7 Mar 2006 01:48:26 -0000 > > >Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by > > >mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2006 01:48:26 -0000 > > >Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.239]) by cpinternet.com > > >(SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 62277468 for > > >; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 19:48:24 - 0600 CST > > >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGw9qXDaKItAFW2SO+ubnkq+xsbD3bKFH0= > > >Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys > > >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; > > > >d=yahoogroups.com;b=hADiEsgRuZbMo5x9BNLaTjRaAseHUuJ9D7PE/dOGNUCViyec 9AUccvuRtIsME2uhR8lGnLkezL9bydx54CJit2cA0keZ739VkAhtUrQkjO5ZxdWv9T7xT 0p51EtI1by5; > > >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email > > >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > >References: > > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 > > >X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 > > >X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet > > >X-External-IP: 64.61.212.239 > > >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 > > >X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude > > >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact > > >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com > > >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > >List-Id: > > >Precedence: bulk > > >List-Unsubscribe: > > >Return-Path: > > >sentto-4085512-22762-1141696107-mtgc=hotmail.com@ > > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2006 01:56:57.0226 (UTC) > > >FILETIME=[6A5AB6A0:01C6418A] > > > > > >Makes me wish I lived a lot closer than I do. Hope your article > sparks > > >LOTS > > >of interest. > > > > > >Scott Todd > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Bill Norman" > > > > > > > Well, the Beach season will be here soon, so all AM Stereo people > > > > are invited to come to North Myrtle Beach for a visit. Seriously, > > > > we welcome visitors and we can help arrange some lower than normal > > > > cost lodging. > > > > Do you think we could get Tom Ray from WOR to come to North Myrtle > > > > Beach and bring a Boston Acoustics Radio? it would be nice to > > > > compare the sound as opposed to one of Jeff's tuners or my > > > > collection of Carver TX-11a units. > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wnmb@sc.rr.com Thu Mar 09 17:47:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39473 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2006 01:47:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2006 01:47:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2006 01:47:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2006 01:47:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2006 01:47:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 01:47:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.211.44.209 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: Re: More AM Stereo Radios than I Imagined! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=RVGiLS8dfryCIh5_GrzangkY0gSmfKubbk88Y1E0i89Dyg X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Excuse the typo below.....I meant to write "hear us in stereo". --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > > Folks, I have to tell you there are more AM Stereo radios out=20 there=20 > than I thought there were. Since converting my station here to AM=20 > Stereo I have been very pleased to hear from many listeners who=20 can=20 > indeed here us in stereo. The receivers are in two primary kinds=20 of=20 > vehicles; Fords and Chryslers. In particular, we have now had=20 > multiple calls and visits from those who own Navigators,=20 Expeditions=20 > and Explorers. Next in line comes the Thunderbirds, which are more=20 > plentiful here than in some other areas of the country due to our=20 > climate. Most of the Fords with AM Stereo I have encountered had=20 the=20 > Audiophile "satellite ready" unit, although an 05 Explorer had a=20 > Visteon unit. > On the Chrysler side, we have encountered several Dodge and=20 > Chrysler vans, plus Sebring convertibles. > We have had one call from a GM guy. He had a 2002 Cadillac with=20 AM=20 > Stereo in it, which probably was the last year for GM to have done=20 > so. > This kind of response makes me wonder what would have happened if=20 > more stations had converted or more had left the stereo turned=20 on.=20=20 > We are going to see some AM stations return to stereo this year,=20 and=20 > we see a few new ones install it for the first time. Please do=20 all=20 > you can to encourage this to happen. If you live near a station=20 > that you would like to be in stereo, tell them. I can tell you=20 as=20 > a broadcaster, station owners (most of them) do listen to input=20 from=20 > listeners and it does influence them. > From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Mar 09 17:55:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58585 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2006 01:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2006 01:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.80) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2006 01:55:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 17:55:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.44 by BAY106-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 01:54:57 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 01:54:57 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Mar 2006 01:55:00.0740 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4299C40:01C643E5] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.80 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: More AM Stereo Radios than I Imagined! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=ypD4ax0gp7QtXTowWx7rsOpHJLMZ9ytxQcIMhDbP4H0B3WWpbdUCYWXmlk8 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mr.. Bill Norman wrote: >Next in line comes the Thunderbirds, which are more > plentiful here than in some other areas of the country due to our > climate. More T-Birds in frigid climates!?!? :) but then I consider Daytona Beach and Jacksonville frigid. Donn listening to WGR on XM for the TB Lightning Game (TB 4 Buffalo 5 at the moment) -----Original Message----- From: Bill Norman Sent: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 17:47:02 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: More AM Stereo Radios than I Imagined! Excuse the typo below.....I meant to write "hear us in stereo". --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > > Folks, I have to tell you there are more AM Stereo radios out there > than I thought there were. Since converting my station here to AM > Stereo I have been very pleased to hear from many listeners who can > indeed here us in stereo. The receivers are in two primary kinds of > vehicles; Fords and Chryslers. In particular, we have now had > multiple calls and visits from those who own Navigators, Expeditions > and Explorers. Next in line comes the Thunderbirds, which are more > plentiful here than in some other areas of the country due to our > climate. Most of the Fords with AM Stereo I have encountered had the > Audiophile "satellite ready" unit, although an 05 Explorer had a > Visteon unit. > On the Chrysler side, we have encountered several Dodge and > Chrysler vans, plus Sebring convertibles. > We have had one call from a GM guy. He had a 2002 Cadillac with AM > Stereo in it, which probably was the last year for GM to have done > so. > This kind of response makes me wonder what would have happened if > more stations had converted or more had left the stereo turned on. > We are going to see some AM stations return to stereo this year, and > we see a few new ones install it for the first time. Please do all > you can to encourage this to happen. If you live near a station > that you would like to be in stereo, tell them. I can tell you as > a broadcaster, station owners (most of them) do listen to input from > listeners and it does influence them. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Thu Mar 09 18:05:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42954 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2006 02:05:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2006 02:05:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.33) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2006 02:05:55 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 18:05:54 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 02:05:54 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 21:05:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Mar 2006 02:05:54.0686 (UTC) FILETIME=[29F1D9E0:01C643E7] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Radio World AM Stereo Article Coming In April & Rambling X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=QDst7YYuecIDaMsPx27PoplVeKZX75XUuVsIJwdKy4obT_Zoj61G X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Mr. Norman, Very well put, and in the manner of a true gentleman. Michael >From: "Bill Norman" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: Radio World AM Stereo Article Coming In April & >Rambling >Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 01:28:24 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 >X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com >Received: from n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.37]) by >bay0-mc3-f14.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 9 >Mar 2006 17:30:29 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar >2006 01:28:37 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.99] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar >2006 01:28:37 -0000 >Received: (qmail 97275 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2006 01:28:34 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >10 Mar 2006 01:28:34 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by >mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2006 01:28:34 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar >2006 01:28:26 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar >2006 01:28:26 -0000 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHKEV/7QRo+dMUkfUHuk4zTUYO4imNpc18= >Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; >d=yahoogroups.com;b=Bm8iP5fkrm4EorKil3CcH6s2NjzAnPrpj7jVFgSrSqrqyqKOuP7tMmJ1Y7lbQaG/XraOiN3WcDFUAp1LvOPOqeITZhOS1Y7Jy1eVOBP80JuOBGBsZXifRjXGZAAIefLk; >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 >X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 >X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.211.44.209 >X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >List-Id: >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-22777-1141954117-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Mar 2006 01:30:29.0355 (UTC) >FILETIME=[372613B0:01C643E2] > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > > > Sorry, Gents, but my vacation time is my time, and I have better > > things to do than travel to North Carolina to play radio. I do >that > > on a daily basis. > > > > And I can't justify this trip in my travel budget. North Carolina >is > > not in our coverage area, and since there's nothing like an NAB >show > > there...... > > > > Basically, I simply don't have time to play games like this. > > > > Tom Ray > > WOR > >Tom, >I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but WNMB is not in North >Carolina. The last time I saw us on a map and observed our >coordinates, we were in South Carolina. >However, no games intended here. The c-quam AM stereo being >generated through the now antique mode called analog is absolutely >beautiful to the ears and it sure makes a pretty picture on the >oscope too. Plus, I can transmit in stereo at night and I don't >create interference with my neighbors. >As to playing, we have lots of New Yorkers here all the time. We've >had several broadcasters visit our studios including some very nice >people from 1010 WINS, so you are most welcome too. None of them >come here to play radio. They do, however, play on the beach, play >golf, and participate in the myriad of other fun things to do at the >beach. >Please accept my best wishes for the continued success of IBOC on >WOR. >Bill > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL >UPTON - > > CEO" wrote: > > > > > > Mr. Ray, > > > > > > The ball is in your court. > > > > > > MTGC (MIchael) > > > > > > > > > >From: "Scott Todd" > > > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > >To: > > > >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio World AM Stereo Article Coming In >April & > > > >Rambling > > > >Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 19:55:47 -0600 > > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > >X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 > > > >X-Sender: SRS0+bBC7+74+mpcinternet.net=stodd@ > > > >Received: from n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.56]) by > > > >bay0-mc2-f18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC >(6.0.3790.211); > > Mon, 6 > > > >Mar 2006 17:56:57 -0800 > > > >Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with > > NNFMP; 07 Mar > > > >2006 01:48:33 -0000 > > > >Received: from [66.218.66.61] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with > > NNFMP; 07 Mar > > > >2006 01:48:28 -0000 > > > >Received: (qmail 60736 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2006 >01:48:26 -0000 > > > >Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com > > with QMQP; > > > >7 Mar 2006 01:48:26 -0000 > > > >Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) >by > > > >mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2006 01:48:26 -0000 > > > >Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.239]) by >cpinternet.com > > > >(SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 62277468 for > > > >; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 19:48:24 - >0600 CST > > > >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGw9qXDaKItAFW2SO+ubnkq+xsbD3bKFH0= > > > >Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys > > > >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; > > > > > > >d=yahoogroups.com;b=hADiEsgRuZbMo5x9BNLaTjRaAseHUuJ9D7PE/dOGNUCViyec >9AUccvuRtIsME2uhR8lGnLkezL9bydx54CJit2cA0keZ739VkAhtUrQkjO5ZxdWv9T7xT >0p51EtI1by5; > > > >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email > > > >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > >References: > > > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 > > > >X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 > > > >X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet > > > >X-External-IP: 64.61.212.239 > > > >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 > > > >X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude > > > >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact > > > >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com > > > >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > >List-Id: > > > >Precedence: bulk > > > >List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> > > > >Return-Path: > > > >sentto-4085512-22762-1141696107-mtgc=hotmail.com@ > > > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2006 01:56:57.0226 (UTC) > > > >FILETIME=[6A5AB6A0:01C6418A] > > > > > > > >Makes me wish I lived a lot closer than I do. Hope your article > > sparks > > > >LOTS > > > >of interest. > > > > > > > >Scott Todd > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Bill Norman" > > > > > > > > > Well, the Beach season will be here soon, so all AM Stereo >people > > > > > are invited to come to North Myrtle Beach for a visit. >Seriously, > > > > > we welcome visitors and we can help arrange some lower than >normal > > > > > cost lodging. > > > > > Do you think we could get Tom Ray from WOR to come to North >Myrtle > > > > > Beach and bring a Boston Acoustics Radio? it would be nice >to > > > > > compare the sound as opposed to one of Jeff's tuners or my > > > > > collection of Carver TX-11a units. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From wnmb@sc.rr.com Thu Mar 09 18:12:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8610 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2006 02:12:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2006 02:12:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2006 02:12:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2006 02:11:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2006 02:11:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 02:11:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.211.44.209 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: {AMSF} Re: More AM Stereo Radios than I Imagined! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=M3j5FjTKHGgSxp-aQTnQb0Z_ms5u3yddEtgwqTXlNJr5_A X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Donn, You are right. A couple of weeks ago, I was in Miami for a few=20 days. It was 85 there and at the same time, 52, in North Myrtle=20 Beach! However, TBirds have hardtops and heaters, too! Bill --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman"=20 wrote: > > Mr.. Bill Norman wrote: >=20 > >Next in line comes the Thunderbirds, which are more=20 > > plentiful here than in some other areas of the country due to=20 our=20 > > climate.=20 >=20 > More T-Birds in frigid climates!?!? :) >=20 > but then I consider Daytona Beach and Jacksonville frigid. >=20 > Donn > listening to WGR on XM for the TB Lightning Game (TB 4 Buffalo 5=20 at the moment) >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Norman > Sent: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 17:47:02 -0800 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Re: More AM Stereo Radios than I Imagined! >=20 > Excuse the typo below.....I meant to write "hear us in stereo". >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > > > > Folks, I have to tell you there are more AM Stereo radios out=20 > there=20 > > than I thought there were. Since converting my station here to=20 AM=20 > > Stereo I have been very pleased to hear from many listeners who=20 > can=20 > > indeed here us in stereo. The receivers are in two primary=20 kinds=20 > of=20 > > vehicles; Fords and Chryslers. In particular, we have now had=20 > > multiple calls and visits from those who own Navigators,=20 > Expeditions=20 > > and Explorers. Next in line comes the Thunderbirds, which are=20 more=20 > > plentiful here than in some other areas of the country due to=20 our=20 > > climate. Most of the Fords with AM Stereo I have encountered had=20 > the=20 > > Audiophile "satellite ready" unit, although an 05 Explorer had a=20 > > Visteon unit. > > On the Chrysler side, we have encountered several Dodge and=20 > > Chrysler vans, plus Sebring convertibles. > > We have had one call from a GM guy. He had a 2002 Cadillac with=20 > AM=20 > > Stereo in it, which probably was the last year for GM to have=20 done=20 > > so. > > This kind of response makes me wonder what would have happened=20 if=20 > > more stations had converted or more had left the stereo turned=20 > on.=20=20 > > We are going to see some AM stations return to stereo this year,=20 > and=20 > > we see a few new ones install it for the first time. Please do=20 > all=20 > > you can to encourage this to happen. If you live near a station=20 > > that you would like to be in stereo, tell them. I can tell you=20 > as=20 > > a broadcaster, station owners (most of them) do listen to input=20 > from=20 > > listeners and it does influence them. > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Fri Mar 10 02:42:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33650 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2006 10:42:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2006 10:42:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.51.44) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2006 10:42:50 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 02:42:49 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 10:42:46 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 05:42:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Mar 2006 10:42:49.0735 (UTC) FILETIME=[605AC170:01C6442F] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.51.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Paul Crane" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Chris Cuff AM Stereo Transmitter question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851; y=29ot3NcmVC9mta82FAgyVA6MEO2NrNGygeRy08EERG_ZRysnHhIM X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane I'm not an antenna expert but I grounded mine to a water pipe and connected 5 of those cheap plastic AM loops (that come with a stereo/tuner) in a series. My 10 milliwatter gets about 1/4 mile. Paul Crane, KC8YQQ Jackson, MI USA Part 15 transmitters on air 24/7: AM stereo 1250, FM stereo 88.3 ----Original Message Follows---- From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Chris Cuff AM Stereo Transmitter question Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 18:35:24 -0500 Thanks Chris. As information, I am using a long wire, about 40 feet for my antenna, and my ground is an 8 foot copper rod driven in the ground about 5 feet from the transmitter. If Darwin or Powell could chime in with any help, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, MTGC (Michael) >From: "Chris Cuff" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Chris Cuff AM Stereo Transmitter question >Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 18:08:57 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 66.193.185.18 >X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com >Received: from n9a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.43]) by >bay0-mc10-f10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 9 >Mar 2006 15:11:59 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar >2006 23:11:55 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.98] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar >2006 23:11:55 -0000 >Received: (qmail 81390 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2006 23:11:10 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >9 Mar 2006 23:11:09 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (66.193.185.18) by >mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2006 23:10:54 -0000 >Received: from Chris (unverified [207.96.2.101]) by mail.in4web.com >(Vircom SMTPRS 4.3.459.0) with SMTP id for >; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 18:08:26 -0500 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHjJx36Oi8+Z3TmmkSEdPtfpLB7P/ybN8= >Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; >d=yahoogroups.com;b=TAH5OArx1Woe9yd1Zwov+gjWcJB/xLeH6keK5fUdTtJwYdWRbZ4P93RYi/qWnRpKcODzIGAuBS+s/l6Ht5rYVadZ8qirglLV+qKjp4L8TKLG+Sntq2LWNRpwEHNHTxGd; >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >X-Modus-BlackList: ccuff@in4web.com=OK >References: >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 >X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >List-Id: >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-22771-1141945882-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Mar 2006 23:11:59.0141 (UTC) >FILETIME=[DDE00D50:01C643CE] > >Michael, that means your antenna and the transmitter are not matched yet. >You need to chat with Darwin about antenna tuning- he is the expert. Powell >might be able to help, too. >cc _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Mar 10 08:45:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91238 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2006 16:45:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2006 16:45:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2006 16:45:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 8823 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Mar 2006 16:45:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20060310164501.8814.qmail@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:45:01 PST Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:45:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1142007510.536.44080.m17@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Aphex stereo enhance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=xPEa-Z8rUakktcJ6i0tGyJe6ZMVRDxDes2znaIgSThP-kqXwm0pPmQk X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Joe Collins asked: "Hey All, I'm wondering if anyone here might know this. How EXACTLY does an Aphex Compeller 320 'enhance' the stereo when you turn the stereo enhance feature on? The manual is vague to say the very least...." Hi Joe, I believe it 'dematrixes' the audio so you have a "L-R" and an "L+R" audio signal. It then boosts the "L-R" signal; however, if you go too far with the boost, you will lose you vocals and mono signals, like a karaoke machine, so it's a play by ear for an adjustment of L-R levels to enhance stereo. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tomray@wor710.com Fri Mar 10 09:12:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9398 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2006 17:12:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2006 17:12:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2006 17:12:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2006 17:10:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2006 17:10:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:10:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060310005501.16713.qmail@web30009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.245.198.66 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Kahn sues iBiquity and Clear Channel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=cJygJunxJqxA6IZbnKzqK65Jbv38x9Yc1iXsRZ50dj7K4MnX X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: >=20 >=20 > The 9200 does not (or appears not to have) have a 5 > kilohertz mode, it's 4.5 kilohertz and sounds quite > unpleasant. Now the 6 kilohertz mode sounds much > better.=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > w4opw@... > NNNN! > Powell: What version firmware does your 9200 have? Ours has a 5K mode on it. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Fri Mar 10 09:37:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10962 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2006 17:37:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2006 17:37:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2006 17:37:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2006 17:37:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2006 17:37:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:37:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.245.198.66 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Radio World AM Stereo Article Coming In April & Rambling X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=XsP3DyJOkdyYGJ-kXHxmdf6dl-naxHMoAF8J_g_L-FC9YPHm X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Bill: My apologies. I should have checked a map. Been to NC, New Bern=20 area, and find it quite grand. SC is someplace I need to get to=20 someday.....I love history, and SC is rich in history. Plus, I=20 intend to set foot into all 50 states before I depart this Earth=20 (and several foreign countries....several of which I have already=20 been to). Unfortunatley, I'm not a beach person, and neither is my=20 wife (and it's no fun going with her.....I can't look at the=20 babes!), so there is no appeal to justify a trip at the moment.=20=20 That and I'm right in the middle of building a new transmitter=20 facility which will be proofed through the summer, so I'm a going=20 nowhere for a bit. When I get away, I generally go places where it would be pretty slim=20 that I'd be able to get the radio station....I screen the caller ID=20 on my cell phone (the station knows to leave a message, as I will=20 check messages, and if I'm really needed, will call back), and the=20 managers know that they should email my personal email address as I=20 don't check WOR email. When I get away, I pull the plug as far out=20 of the outlet as I can. That is what I meant when I said I=20 don't "play radio" on my time.=20=20 The only exceptions I make are when there's some place really big=20 where I'm going. Example: we're flying to Denver for a weekend=20 wedding in a couple of weeks...I'm working on getting into WWV, much=20 to my wife's chagrin. I've been setting my station clocks to them=20 for many years, and I'd like to see the place. But I don't usually=20 get the 'public' tour of facilites as these...I get the 'here are=20 the guts' tours, and she eventually warms up to the fact that she=20 can be in the control room at someplace like CBS Television City=20 during a scene that is being taped for one of her soaps, so..... I will take you up on your offer if I'm going to be somewhere in the=20 area, but now, unfortunately, is not the time. As I've told you before, it's nice to see a station owner taking the=20 bull by the horns and taking 'localism' to heart. I bet there are=20 days when it's tempting to simply turn on the bird and go home...but=20 that's not why you're there, and it's very refreshing. Are you going to NAB by any chance? Lunch can be a good thing. Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > > > Sorry, Gents, but my vacation time is my time, and I have better > > things to do than travel to North Carolina to play radio. I do=20 > that > > on a daily basis.=20 > >=20 > > And I can't justify this trip in my travel budget. North=20 Carolina=20 > is > > not in our coverage area, and since there's nothing like an NAB=20 > show > > there...... > >=20 > > Basically, I simply don't have time to play games like this. > >=20 > > Tom Ray > > WOR >=20 > Tom, > I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but WNMB is not in North=20 > Carolina. The last time I saw us on a map and observed our=20 > coordinates, we were in South Carolina. > However, no games intended here. The c-quam AM stereo being=20 > generated through the now antique mode called analog is absolutely=20 > beautiful to the ears and it sure makes a pretty picture on the=20 > oscope too. Plus, I can transmit in stereo at night and I don't=20 > create interference with my neighbors. > As to playing, we have lots of New Yorkers here all the time.=20=20 We've=20 > had several broadcasters visit our studios including some very=20 nice=20 > people from 1010 WINS, so you are most welcome too. None of them=20 > come here to play radio. They do, however, play on the beach,=20 play=20 > golf, and participate in the myriad of other fun things to do at=20 the=20 > beach. > Please accept my best wishes for the continued success of IBOC on=20 > WOR. > Bill > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL=20 > UPTON - > > CEO" wrote: > > > > > > Mr. Ray, > > >=20 > > > The ball is in your court. > > >=20 > > > MTGC (MIchael) > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > >From: "Scott Todd" > > > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > >To: > > > >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio World AM Stereo Article Coming In=20 > April &=20 > > > >Rambling > > > >Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 19:55:47 -0600 > > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > >X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 > > > >X-Sender: SRS0+bBC7+74+mpcinternet.net=3Dstodd@ > > > >Received: from n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.56]) by=20 > > > >bay0-mc2-f18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC > (6.0.3790.211); > > Mon, 6=20 > > > >Mar 2006 17:56:57 -0800 > > > >Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with > > NNFMP; 07 Mar=20 > > > >2006 01:48:33 -0000 > > > >Received: from [66.218.66.61] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with > > NNFMP; 07 Mar=20 > > > >2006 01:48:28 -0000 > > > >Received: (qmail 60736 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2006=20 > 01:48:26 -0000 > > > >Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by=20 m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com > > with QMQP;=20 > > > >7 Mar 2006 01:48:26 -0000 > > > >Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com)=20 (209.240.224.81)=20=20 > by=20 > > > >mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2006 01:48:26 -0000 > > > >Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.239]) by=20 > cpinternet.com=20 > > > >(SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 62277468 for=20 > > > >; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 19:48:24 - > 0600 CST > > > >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGw9qXDaKItAFW2SO+ubnkq+xsbD3bKFH0=3D > > > >Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys > > > >DomainKey-Signature: a=3Drsa-sha1; q=3Ddns; c=3Dnofws; s=3Dlima;=20 > > > > >=20 >=20 >d=3Dyahoogroups.com;b=3DhADiEsgRuZbMo5x9BNLaTjRaAseHUuJ9D7PE/dOGNUCViyec >=20 9AUccvuRtIsME2uhR8lGnLkezL9bydx54CJit2cA0keZ739VkAhtUrQkjO5ZxdWv9T7xT > 0p51EtI1by5; > > > >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email > > > >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > >References: > > > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 > > > >X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 > > > >X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet > > > >X-External-IP: 64.61.212.239 > > > >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 > > > >X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude > > > >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact=20 > > > >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com > > > >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > >List-Id: > > > >Precedence: bulk > > > >List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> > > > >Return-Path:=20 > > > >sentto-4085512-22762-1141696107-mtgc=3Dhotmail.com@ > > > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2006 01:56:57.0226 (UTC)=20 > > > >FILETIME=3D[6A5AB6A0:01C6418A] > > > > > > > >Makes me wish I lived a lot closer than I do. Hope your=20 article > > sparks=20 > > > >LOTS > > > >of interest. > > > > > > > >Scott Todd > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Bill Norman" > > > > > > > > > Well, the Beach season will be here soon, so all AM Stereo=20 > people > > > > > are invited to come to North Myrtle Beach for a visit.=20=20 > Seriously, > > > > > we welcome visitors and we can help arrange some lower=20 than=20 > normal > > > > > cost lodging. > > > > > Do you think we could get Tom Ray from WOR to come to=20 North=20 > Myrtle > > > > > Beach and bring a Boston Acoustics Radio? it would be=20 nice=20 > to > > > > > compare the sound as opposed to one of Jeff's tuners or my > > > > > collection of Carver TX-11a units. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From tomray@wor710.com Fri Mar 10 09:42:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55346 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2006 17:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2006 17:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.86) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2006 17:42:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2006 17:44:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2006 17:42:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:42:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.245.198.66 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Chris Cuff AM Stereo Transmitter question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=JDGhHOmqiWYe2ig31s8KIzicXWeuLEt32sRDJBPk-M2fvNJk X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Paul: That's interesting. I assume you made the loop antenna connections=20 in series. How do you have the loops positioned? Tom Ray WOR (KC2NTU) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Crane" =20 wrote: > > I'm not an antenna expert but I grounded mine to a water pipe and=20 connected=20 > 5 of those cheap plastic AM loops (that come with a stereo/tuner)=20 in a=20 > series. My 10 milliwatter gets about 1/4 mile. >=20 > Paul Crane, KC8YQQ > Jackson, MI USA >=20 > Part 15 transmitters on air 24/7: > AM stereo 1250, FM stereo 88.3 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Chris Cuff AM Stereo Transmitter question > Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 18:35:24 -0500 >=20 > Thanks Chris. As information, I am using a long wire, about 40=20 feet for my > antenna, and my ground is an 8 foot copper rod driven in the=20 ground about 5 > feet from the transmitter. > If Darwin or Powell could chime in with any help, it would be=20 greatly > appreciated. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > MTGC (Michael) >=20 >=20 > >From: "Chris Cuff" > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Chris Cuff AM Stereo Transmitter question > >Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 18:08:57 -0500 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >X-Originating-IP: 66.193.185.18 > >X-Sender: ccuff@... > >Received: from n9a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.43]) by > >bay0-mc10-f10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC (6.0.3790.211); Thu,=20 > 9 > >Mar 2006 15:11:59 -0800 > >Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with=20 NNFMP; 09 Mar > >2006 23:11:55 -0000 > >Received: from [66.218.66.98] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with=20 NNFMP; 09=20 > Mar > >2006 23:11:55 -0000 > >Received: (qmail 81390 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2006=20 23:11:10 -0000 > >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com=20 with=20 > QMQP; > >9 Mar 2006 23:11:09 -0000 > >Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (66.193.185.18) by > >mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2006 23:10:54 -0000 > >Received: from Chris (unverified [207.96.2.101]) by=20 mail.in4web.com > >(Vircom SMTPRS 4.3.459.0) with SMTP id for > >; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 18:08:26 -0500 > >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHjJx36Oi8+Z3TmmkSEdPtfpLB7P/ybN8=3D > >Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys > >DomainKey-Signature: a=3Drsa-sha1; q=3Ddns; c=3Dnofws; s=3Dlima; >=20=20 >d=3Dyahoogroups.com;b=3DTAH5OArx1Woe9yd1Zwov+gjWcJB/xLeH6keK5fUdTtJwYdWR bZ4P93RYi/qWnRpKcODzIGAuBS+s/l6Ht5rYVadZ8qirglLV+qKjp4L8TKLG+Sntq2LWN RpwEHNHTxGd; > >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email > >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >X-Modus-BlackList: ccuff@...=3DOK > >References: > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 > >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 > >X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 > >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact > >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com > >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >List-Id: > >Precedence: bulk > >List-Unsubscribe: > >Return-Path: > >sentto-4085512-22771-1141945882-mtgc=3Dhotmail.com@... > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Mar 2006 23:11:59.0141 (UTC) > >FILETIME=3D[DDE00D50:01C643CE] > > > >Michael, that means your antenna and the transmitter are not=20 matched yet. > >You need to chat with Darwin about antenna tuning- he is the=20 expert.=20 > Powell > >might be able to help, too. > >cc >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar =96 get it now!=20 > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Mar 10 14:57:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88670 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2006 22:57:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2006 22:57:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.65) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2006 22:57:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 52579 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Mar 2006 22:57:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20060310225719.52577.qmail@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.216.231] by web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:57:19 PST Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:57:19 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kahn sues iBiquity and Clear Channel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=CkspHhbWOtuY_jxwFcviNsV-5ESgxs3vC2KhjvDqd1g X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > > > > The 9200 does not (or appears not to have) have a > 5 > > kilohertz mode, it's 4.5 kilohertz and sounds > quite > > unpleasant. Now the 6 kilohertz mode sounds much > > better. > > > > > > Powell > > > > w4opw@... > > NNNN! > > > Powell: > > What version firmware does your 9200 have? Ours has > a 5K mode on it. > > Tom Ray > WOR I was referring to presets, which I failed to mentioned. BTW, Bob Orban went on and on about having a mess with digitally compressed audio and the 9200 or any lossy compression and reduced bandwidth....soooo I guess if you use linear uncompressed stuff you don't have to deal with so many artifacts? Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Mar 10 17:29:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+xsM2+78+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87903 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2006 01:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2006 01:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2006 01:29:49 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.113]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 63494566 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 18:56:36 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c644a7$be45a3e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:04:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 30, in=28, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.113 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio World AM Stereo Article Coming In April & Rambling X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=g1CQFpSCGDwo43aN9lvZW5d57iXz90skY2ciPQBqpMADPGQVZiq6 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You're not another Scott Fybush then? As for WWV, you'll probably have to pull some strings to get inside. I was there in the fall of '89 and they didn't give public tours then either. Would love to have seen the transmitters. They do let folks onto the grounds and you can take pictures of the antennas, though you'd have to use the highest quality setting on your digital camera, or else a slow speed film (low graininess) for the wires to show up. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ray" > > That is what I meant when I said I > don't "play radio" on my time. > > The only exceptions I make are when there's some place really big > where I'm going. Example: we're flying to Denver for a weekend > wedding in a couple of weeks...I'm working on getting into WWV, much > to my wife's chagrin. I've been setting my station clocks to them > for many years, and I'd like to see the place. But I don't usually > get the 'public' tour of facilites as these... From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Mar 10 21:28:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27057 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2006 05:28:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2006 05:28:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.186) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2006 05:28:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 97989 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Mar 2006 05:28:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20060311052830.97987.qmail@web25801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.159.125.231] by web25801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:28:30 PST Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:28:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Radio World AM Stereo Article Coming In April & Rambling X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=00HKVMCBZ5WDqsbFOMaEWlzV_vJkcb1nUgQvOR1Akhcs5TRVJNRh X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Michael, You are very right. Bill is a great guy and i've yet to meet him in person. I've chatted over email and I listen to WNMB via the internet. I look forward to meeting him perhaps this august. Right now I may be down in Myrtle in august unless something comes up. When I am I plan to visit the WNMB studios to meet Bill. You don't get a nicer guy than Bill and he should be commended for his passion and enthusiasm for radio, more especially AM stereo. I am not a broadcaster, well yet, i'm thinking about it! But I sure hope to meet more enthusiastic broadcasters. I've always loved radio and music. More especially our "beach and oldies" culture here in the Carolina's. I wanted to say this. Bill I have a Thunderbird but it's not the new ones! I have a 1995 LX with the 4.6 L V8. I just wish it had the factory AM Stereo that some had. Gotta track down one of those factory units with the AM stereo circuitry. Back to broadcasting. If I ever become an on air personality one day I hope that I am as good as Bill Norman. He is an inspiration and a good role model for broadcasters. Bill thanks for all the good tunes you play and I look forward to visiting when I get back down to Myrtle. God Bless yall! -Kevin --- MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: --------------------------------- Mr. Norman, Very well put, and in the manner of a true gentleman. Michael >From: "Bill Norman" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: Radio World AM Stereo Article Coming In April & >Rambling >Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 01:28:24 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 >X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com >Received: from n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.37]) by >bay0-mc3-f14.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 9 >Mar 2006 17:30:29 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar >2006 01:28:37 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.99] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar >2006 01:28:37 -0000 >Received: (qmail 97275 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2006 01:28:34 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >10 Mar 2006 01:28:34 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by >mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2006 01:28:34 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar >2006 01:28:26 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar >2006 01:28:26 -0000 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHKEV/7QRo+dMUkfUHuk4zTUYO4imNpc18= >Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; >d=yahoogroups.com;b=Bm8iP5fkrm4EorKil3CcH6s2NjzAnPrpj7jVFgSrSqrqyqKOuP7tMmJ1Y7lbQaG/XraOiN3WcDFUAp1LvOPOqeITZhOS1Y7Jy1eVOBP80JuOBGBsZXifRjXGZAAIefLk; >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 >X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 >X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.211.44.209 >X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >List-Id: >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-22777-1141954117-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Mar 2006 01:30:29.0355 (UTC) >FILETIME=[372613B0:01C643E2] > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > > > Sorry, Gents, but my vacation time is my time, and I have better > > things to do than travel to North Carolina to play radio. I do >that > > on a daily basis. > > > > And I can't justify this trip in my travel budget. North Carolina >is > > not in our coverage area, and since there's nothing like an NAB >show > > there...... > > > > Basically, I simply don't have time to play games like this. > > > > Tom Ray > > WOR > >Tom, >I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but WNMB is not in North >Carolina. The last time I saw us on a map and observed our >coordinates, we were in South Carolina. >However, no games intended here. The c-quam AM stereo being >generated through the now antique mode called analog is absolutely >beautiful to the ears and it sure makes a pretty picture on the >oscope too. Plus, I can transmit in stereo at night and I don't >create interference with my neighbors. >As to playing, we have lots of New Yorkers here all the time. We've >had several broadcasters visit our studios including some very nice >people from 1010 WINS, so you are most welcome too. None of them >come here to play radio. They do, however, play on the beach, play >golf, and participate in the myriad of other fun things to do at the >beach. >Please accept my best wishes for the continued success of IBOC on >WOR. >Bill > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL >UPTON - > > CEO" wrote: > > > > > > Mr. Ray, > > > > > > The ball is in your court. > > > > > > MTGC (MIchael) > > > > > > > > > >From: "Scott Todd" > > > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > >To: > > > >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio World AM Stereo Article Coming In >April & > > > >Rambling > > > >Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 19:55:47 -0600 > > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > >X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 > > > >X-Sender: SRS0+bBC7+74+mpcinternet.net=stodd@ > > > >Received: from n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.56]) by > > > >bay0-mc2-f18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC >(6.0.3790.211); > > Mon, 6 > > > >Mar 2006 17:56:57 -0800 > > > >Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with > > NNFMP; 07 Mar > > > >2006 01:48:33 -0000 > > > >Received: from [66.218.66.61] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with > > NNFMP; 07 Mar > > > >2006 01:48:28 -0000 > > > >Received: (qmail 60736 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2006 >01:48:26 -0000 > > > >Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com > > with QMQP; > > > >7 Mar 2006 01:48:26 -0000 > > > >Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) >by > > > >mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2006 01:48:26 -0000 > > > >Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.239]) by >cpinternet.com > > > >(SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 62277468 for > > > >; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 19:48:24 - >0600 CST > > > >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGw9qXDaKItAFW2SO+ubnkq+xsbD3bKFH0= > > > >Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys > > > >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; > > > > > > >d=yahoogroups.com;b=hADiEsgRuZbMo5x9BNLaTjRaAseHUuJ9D7PE/dOGNUCViyec >9AUccvuRtIsME2uhR8lGnLkezL9bydx54CJit2cA0keZ739VkAhtUrQkjO5ZxdWv9T7xT >0p51EtI1by5; > > > >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email > > > >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > >References: > > > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 > > > >X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 > > > >X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet > > > >X-External-IP: 64.61.212.239 > > > >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 > > > >X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude > > > >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact > > > >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com > > > >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > >List-Id: > > > >Precedence: bulk > > > >List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> > > > >Return-Path: > > > >sentto-4085512-22762-1141696107-mtgc=hotmail.com@ > > > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2006 01:56:57.0226 (UTC) > > > >FILETIME=[6A5AB6A0:01C6418A] > > > > > > > >Makes me wish I lived a lot closer than I do. Hope your article > > sparks > > > >LOTS > > > >of interest. > > > > > > > >Scott Todd > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Bill Norman" > > > > > > > > > Well, the Beach season will be here soon, so all AM Stereo >people > > > > > are invited to come to North Myrtle Beach for a visit. >Seriously, > > > > > we welcome visitors and we can help arrange some lower than >normal > > > > > cost lodging. > > > > > Do you think we could get Tom Ray from WOR to come to North >Myrtle > > > > > Beach and bring a Boston Acoustics Radio? it would be nice >to > > > > > compare the sound as opposed to one of Jeff's tuners or my > > > > > collection of Carver TX-11a units. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum SPONSORED LINKS Stereo High performance Digital radio --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Sat Mar 11 05:51:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26077 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2006 13:51:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2006 13:51:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.51.22) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2006 13:51:20 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 11 Mar 2006 05:50:36 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:50:35 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 08:50:35 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2006 13:50:36.0815 (UTC) FILETIME=[C67879F0:01C64512] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.51.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Paul Crane" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Chris Cuff AM Stereo Transmitter question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851; y=8bEi9Bl6Wn0E0N3mZJcWPWWCgAOG-ApfA44VznurB26LkFdoSLdF X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane The loops are in a utility room down in the basement hanging from overhead water pipes. They are strung the length of the room but not aimed in any particular direction. The signal is highly directional with reception weaker in front of the house than just slightly down the road. Throughout the house, the Alfredo Lite rivals the local stations. It even has better coverage than my Ccrane FM transmitter. Paul Crane, KC8YQQ Jackson, MI USA Part 15 transmitters on air 24/7: AM stereo 1250, FM stereo 88.3 ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Tom Ray" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Chris Cuff AM Stereo Transmitter question Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:42:40 -0000 Paul: That's interesting. I assume you made the loop antenna connections in series. How do you have the loops positioned? Tom Ray WOR (KC2NTU) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Crane" wrote: > > I'm not an antenna expert but I grounded mine to a water pipe and connected > 5 of those cheap plastic AM loops (that come with a stereo/tuner) in a > series. My 10 milliwatter gets about 1/4 mile. > > Paul Crane, KC8YQQ > Jackson, MI USA > > Part 15 transmitters on air 24/7: > AM stereo 1250, FM stereo 88.3 > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Chris Cuff AM Stereo Transmitter question > Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 18:35:24 -0500 > > Thanks Chris. As information, I am using a long wire, about 40 feet for my > antenna, and my ground is an 8 foot copper rod driven in the ground about 5 > feet from the transmitter. > If Darwin or Powell could chime in with any help, it would be greatly > appreciated. > > Thanks, > > MTGC (Michael) > > > >From: "Chris Cuff" > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Chris Cuff AM Stereo Transmitter question > >Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 18:08:57 -0500 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >X-Originating-IP: 66.193.185.18 > >X-Sender: ccuff@... > >Received: from n9a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.43]) by > >bay0-mc10-f10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC (6.0.3790.211); Thu, > 9 > >Mar 2006 15:11:59 -0800 > >Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar > >2006 23:11:55 -0000 > >Received: from [66.218.66.98] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 > Mar > >2006 23:11:55 -0000 > >Received: (qmail 81390 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2006 23:11:10 -0000 > >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with > QMQP; > >9 Mar 2006 23:11:09 -0000 > >Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (66.193.185.18) by > >mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2006 23:10:54 -0000 > >Received: from Chris (unverified [207.96.2.101]) by mail.in4web.com > >(Vircom SMTPRS 4.3.459.0) with SMTP id for > >; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 18:08:26 -0500 > >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHjJx36Oi8+Z3TmmkSEdPtfpLB7P/ybN8= > >Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys > >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; > >d=yahoogroups.com;b=TAH5OArx1Woe9yd1Zwov+gjWcJB/xLeH6keK5fUdTtJwYdWR bZ4P93RYi/qWnRpKcODzIGAuBS+s/l6Ht5rYVadZ8qirglLV+qKjp4L8TKLG+Sntq2LWN RpwEHNHTxGd; > >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email > >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >X-Modus-BlackList: ccuff@...=OK > >References: > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 > >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 > >X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 > >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact > >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com > >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >List-Id: > >Precedence: bulk > >List-Unsubscribe: > >Return-Path: > >sentto-4085512-22771-1141945882-mtgc=hotmail.com@... > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Mar 2006 23:11:59.0141 (UTC) > >FILETIME=[DDE00D50:01C643CE] > > > >Michael, that means your antenna and the transmitter are not matched yet. > >You need to chat with Darwin about antenna tuning- he is the expert. > Powell > >might be able to help, too. > >cc > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Mar 11 07:23:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+xsM2+78+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3059 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2006 15:23:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2006 15:23:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2006 15:23:03 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.16]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 63527394 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:22:36 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c64520$b9589c60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060311052830.97987.qmail@web25801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:30:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 22, in=30, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.16 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio World AM Stereo Article Coming In April & Rambling X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=BPOP-sw_rh5VeZmiWXxa48duo1br7wQeh0vFmSuaMOROsbbRCB5u X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I've got a 93 Ford Escort Wagon which I'm going to attempt to convert over to a Mach 460 system in the next month or two, and I need to find only one power connection to pull it off. The radio and amp were bought on ebay for $40 ea but the biggest expense was the harness- had to shell out almost $110 for it, but after tracing many of the wires it became pretty self-explanatory- two connectors each for the amp and radio, plus two more which plug into the existing wiring, and that last single connector for amp power. If your radio already uses an external amp, chances are you might be able to find a radio to plug right into your harness. Of course, I had the advantage of having a good mechanic friend who could supply me with the right auto wiring diagrams and another crackerjack parts guy over at a nearby Ford dealer to help me with finding the harness. Go on ebay and see if there are any radios listed as being pulled from a Thunderbird which have B165 toward the end of their part number since those have AM stereo. If it has F5 at the beginning of the PN so much the better as that means it's from a 95 vehicle. Don't go any earlier than 94 as it may lack expanded band. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" Bill I have a Thunderbird but > it's not the new ones! I have a 1995 LX with the 4.6 > L V8. I just wish it had the factory AM Stereo that > some had. Gotta track down one of those factory units > with the AM stereo circuitry. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 12 06:48:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8057 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2006 14:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2006 14:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.201) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2006 14:48:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 86751 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2006 14:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimpw27q02wqz0) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@71.142.228.221 with login) by smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2006 14:47:46 -0000 Message-ID: <000801c64064$456ce6f0$d50bfea9@jimpw27q02wqz0> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 06:51:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: OT Low Snow!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=eIqbKDY2jYc27rTKDlphhlhEtrCP-uLkTU1nJ32Dex23-ZfjmyfU2mSpf66CsKbd3x1uk-GA X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Its kind of treat some times when we do get snow . We are only about 620 feet in elv. So its kind rair here. I can see the hills about two mile away from and thay got a lot more. We got a trace of snow here but i do exspect more to come. If you want to know were i am just north east of Sacrmmento Ca about 25 or 30 miles neer I 80. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Mar 12 07:17:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85522 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2006 15:17:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2006 15:17:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2006 15:17:06 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-74-45.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.51.74.45] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FISJY-0006yl-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 10:17:00 -0500 Message-ID: <011c01c645e8$028e3080$6705a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <000801c64064$456ce6f0$d50bfea9@jimpw27q02wqz0> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 10:16:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Low Snow!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=g1D7a4H-O7itPVK6xLHlCE0OSJGvbIy5al-MQdcH5mWqjj6qeTzhbzHR-HnCdg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net wrote: >. We got a trace of snow here but i do exspect more to come. Gee gads. It is already 79 Degrees here in Central Florida, so we are having an erection today...Inverted V Dipole erection that is. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kya1260@lycos.com Sun Mar 12 10:56:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19536 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2006 18:56:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2006 18:56:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2006 18:56:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id EE5EE18001C5 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:57:00 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 12 Mar 2006 18:57:00 -0000 Received: by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D78B43384B; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:57:00 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 10:57:00 -0800 Received: from [69.111.164.20] by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 10:57:00 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060312185700.D78B43384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: AMS KVON and Re: {AMSF} OT Low Snow!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=2ryx5On6rQba-vL-vSXVqCgZLy0rITbi4CDSTHVbjIIz820q9A X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ We were supposed to get snow on the surrounding hills of Napa Valley, but it never happened. The snow bypassed us, headed down the San Francisco Peninsula and really socked the=20 commuters on the Summit between Santa Cruz and San Jose! B T W, K V O N's A M Stereo is off for the forseeable future;=20 no, K V O N doesn't plan to join the IBOCalypse, but some=20 technical and other problems have developed. Hopefully,=20 they'll be resolved soon, and K V O N can fire up the B.E.=20 A M S Exciter once again... Can't 'member who coined that great phrase, IBOCalypse,=20 here in the forum some months ago, but we have some folks=20 here on the West Coast chuckling when they hear that... Peace. --jay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net > To: "am stereo forum" > Subject: {AMSF} OT Low Snow!!!! > Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 06:51:21 -0800 >=20 >=20 > Hi Gang Its kind of treat some times when we do get snow . We=20 > are only about 620 feet in elv. So its kind rair here. I can see=20 > the hills about two mile away from and thay got a lot more. We got=20 > a trace of snow here but i do exspect more to come. If you want to=20 > know were i am just north east of Sacrmmento Ca about 25 or 30=20 > miles neer I 80. Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Mar 12 13:00:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0++LU5+79+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66605 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2006 20:59:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2006 20:59:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2006 20:59:59 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.30]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 63373915 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:59:53 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c64619$0495f120$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060312185700.D78B43384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:07:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.047000 Subject has lots of exclamation marks=1.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 29, in=31, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.30 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: AMS KVON and Re: {AMSF} OT Low Snow!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=HBYNcCnV4O2wIxq0xBOGqb04V5t35nRN79W_CeWDjfEawjwjsLH6 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude We're supposed to get creamed with 6-10" tonight. Haven't had a good March snowstorm in a few years. Scott Todd PS- the term IBOCalypse was coined by none other than Kevin Tekel. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Arnold" > We were supposed to get snow on the surrounding hills of Napa > Valley, but it never happened. The snow bypassed us, headed > down the San Francisco Peninsula and really socked the > commuters on the Summit between Santa Cruz and San Jose! > > Can't 'member who coined that great phrase, IBOCalypse, > here in the forum some months ago, but we have some folks > here on the West Coast chuckling when they hear that... > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net > > > > > > Hi Gang Its kind of treat some times when we do get snow . We > > are only about 620 feet in elv. From jimbo@burgan.net Sun Mar 12 17:38:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57050 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2006 01:38:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2006 01:38:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm43.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.74) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2006 01:38:15 -0000 Received: from pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (pimout1-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.65]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k2D1aIBd023189 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:36:18 -0500 X-ORBL: [68.72.58.138] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-72-58-138.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.72.58.138]) by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id k2D1aA4X159866 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:36:14 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c6463e$8467ce30$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <20060312185700.D78B43384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> <001f01c64619$0495f120$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:36:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0610-2, 03/10/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: AMS KVON and Re: {AMSF} OT Low Snow!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=YhFOObMk2L71qQSkZGBe8oWSnWNQRX_G2RkzLFclBENBwMA X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 I'd be happy if it was snow... There have been tornados all around us all day and it's going to be rought overnight... I won't be sleeping soundly. Thank goodness for NOAA Wx Radio. From bossmsx@gmail.com Mon Mar 13 04:27:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27423 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2006 12:27:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2006 12:27:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.226) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2006 12:27:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2006 12:26:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2006 12:26:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2006 12:26:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:26:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 152.75.227.85 From: "Anthony" Subject: Philly AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=225799755; y=63wmNObQBusVfUpVYMRUN2diSWs0Dc07M7vO-_2zsw3-tyavXW44 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiosanchez What, if any, Philadelphia AM Stations are *currently* running AM=20 Stereo?? Last I was up there WEMG was, but I believe they changed=20 owners recently so that may not be the case anymore. Also I know WTTM=20 had moved to the area, but I know they were having issues with their=20 gear. --Tony/Miami From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Mar 13 06:56:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19963 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2006 14:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2006 14:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.161) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2006 14:56:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 21062 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Mar 2006 14:56:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20060313145615.21060.qmail@web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Mar 2006 06:56:15 PST Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 06:56:15 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1142259429.1714.17581.m17@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Weird WX / AMS EZ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=lZdPRKHwpa3XdMogCbsQH4ExvbADKiDQuCMeieG1gt1GW2w0hmze6C4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Yep, Tornado Watch today, then Snow tomorrow! back on topic: are there any 'beautiful music/EZ-listening' stations broadcasting in AM Stereo?? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon Mar 13 13:17:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+5Yma+80+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63781 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2006 21:17:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2006 21:17:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2006 21:17:12 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.10]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 63622006 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:17:11 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c646e4$9a678080$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060313145615.21060.qmail@web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:25:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.212.10 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Weird WX / AMS EZ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=332wKqF8W-sYNSmcq-JWJrV3hw1B1cvLXzJjUANGo4kr5hX3vBau X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Aren't many of those even on FM these days. I kinda doubt it though maybe WJIB is still doing it. It'd be enough of a niche format that some struggling AM stations may want to try it. They'd have to modify the format a bit and 86 the excessively lush strings of Frank Purcell [sp?] and stick with more up to date music, throw in some soft AC vocals and smooth jazz probably. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." > > back on topic: are there any 'beautiful music/EZ-listening' stations > broadcasting in AM Stereo?? From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 13 13:34:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74514 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2006 21:34:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2006 21:34:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2006 21:34:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2006 21:34:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2006 21:34:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:34:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001001c646e4$9a678080$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.142.255.131 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Weird WX / AMS EZ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=XX9GYdOfy8l_OaB-2VqVx8p3uefqVmxGZHRkgUhByOBGaQZK0g-jYVkJX5GI_IKamFa1aRDq X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > Aren't many of those even on FM these days. I kinda doubt it=20 though maybe > WJIB is still doing it. It'd be enough of a niche format that some > struggling AM stations may want to try it. They'd have to modify=20 the format > a bit and 86 the excessively lush strings of Frank Purcell [sp?]=20 and stick > with more up to date music, throw in some soft AC vocals and smooth=20 jazz > probably. >=20 >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "John P." > > > > back on topic: are there any 'beautiful music/EZ-listening'=20 stations > > broadcasting in AM Stereo?? > Hi Gang There are two in my area. One is"Mix 96 FM " old KCTC FM is=20 a soft mix and KUBA AM 1600 is on the softer side. Jim Smith neer=20 Sacramento Ca . From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Mar 13 19:18:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83911 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2006 03:18:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2006 03:18:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2006 03:18:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2006 03:18:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2006 03:18:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 03:18:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.9.72 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Weird WX / AMS EZ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=jKzpc_mxTuKm4Z8FYzEjMNhtxBB9GPHAzcpAhhRP3Yhif2mb X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Vancouver, BC, Canada's 600 AM stereo CKBD plays "unforgettable=20 songs"... Light standards of the '40s to the present- Much like what=20 the former KABL 960, KOIT 1260 and 610 KFRC's "Magic 61" of the SF Bay=20 Area used to play... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Mon Mar 13 19:45:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7457 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2006 03:45:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2006 03:45:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-MTAout5.csiro.au) (150.229.64.42) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2006 03:45:49 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.56]) by vic-MTAout5.csiro.au with ESMTP; 14 Mar 2006 14:45:47 +1100 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,188,1139144400"; d="scan'208,217"; a="71473771:sNHT183493858" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:45:46 +1100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:45:45 +1100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Magic may return in STEREO Thread-Index: AcZHGcY+9nUBKY0aRuWwqLI9mozliQ== To: Cc: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Mar 2006 03:45:46.0716 (UTC) FILETIME=[C72011C0:01C64719] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.64.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: Magic may return in STEREO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=Yj0byw5wSpzO_eb299eBYmfHhSLTEMOkOpoBunynKKfW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Southern Cross Radio today announced the frequencies of its two Melbourne stations will switch on 1 May. This is because 1278 3AW listeners have been complaining about its reception for a long time. 3AW has been the top station for many years. Magic's signal on 693 is arguable Melbourne's best reception. It's predecessor 3EE moved from ME-TOO-3XY's old frequency of 1422 because of poor reception. So the bad news is that it will be Magic 1278 - it doesn't seem to scan ... But the good news is that on 1278 3AW currently transmits in stereo (only a mono feed). So from May 1 as Magic is wired for stereo there's no reason why it shouldn't go back to stereo. Praise the Lord! Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Thu Mar 16 06:58:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9341 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2006 14:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2006 14:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2006 14:58:06 -0000 Received: from [4.247.122.153] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FJtvG-0002dC-H8 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:57:56 -0500 Message-ID: <380-22006341614583421@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.116.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:58:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcbf8efd1aa614a9672f531a202e2b5c80350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio - Making Noise, But Can't Be Found X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=HwEs_EIryNAuILuq7I-vZE2LbE4E8cp1shCJ0CNPBA6XKQ Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting post by Kevin on ABDX group list: Dick W. http://www.audiographics.com/agd/031406-1.htm HD Radio - Making Noise, But Can't Be Found A certain amount of frustration comes with these words. It started after I = began looking for something positive to write about HD Radio; or, more prec= isely, after I began looking for an HD Radio program to list here, hoping t= o show how this "new" radio is delivering on promises. One of the benefits of being online is that you're not limited to articles= . The written word can be accompanied by audio or video. If you glance to t= he side column on any Audio Graphics page, you'll see a listing of "Click T= o Listen" programs that are there for you to enjoy. These are usually chang= ed weekly and, today, I wanted to include an HD Radio program. That was, un= til two hours of searching passed with no results. While there are dozens of NPR HD programs available, featuring another NPR= -produced program wasn't in the plan today. Instead, I looked for programs = from another provider. Anyone other than Clear Channel would do, because th= at company's list of HD radio stations was featured here only a couple of w= eeks ago. What began as a simple search turned into a drawn-out failure. After stumb= ling around online it was evident that to hear HD Radio from any other sour= ce would require my purchasing a receiver. No search that I did brought up = a listing of an online stream of HD Radio. It did lead me to plenty of web = sites that had stations reportedly broadcasting in HD, but none of these ac= tually had their HD signal online to sample. The more I dug, the less I got. Which brings up a fundamental question of = marketing: Is it out of line to expect a new product to produce samples bef= ore it expects consumers to purchase the product? HD Radio has been making plenty of noise lately. That (in this day of imme= diate gratification) the HD Radio Alliance would fail to have a place where= consumers could sample programs online is something that just seems a mist= ake. That this "online" place would not be returned within the top spots on= search engines, when using keywords like "HD Radio Stations", is a clear i= ndication that HD is not as technically advanced as it claims to be. A few = search engine returns even led to dead links (for ex., WOR HD). Do your own search on Google, Yahoo! or MSN Search, but start here: HDRadi= o.com, How Does HD Digital Radio=81 Sound? - where you'd expect a sampling = before they expect you to drop $300 on an unproven radio receiver. Instead = of providing links to the "over 700 stations" reported to be broadcasting i= n HD, you're handed a list of links that repeat (essentially) the same word= s in a 30-second audio presentation that's laid across 11 different formats= . CBS Radio is a classic example of not understanding online. At its page, y= ou can find a long list of stations, with no links. Duh! HD Radio is in the fight for/of its life. It doesn't take more than common= sense to realize you need to provide consumers with product samples online= to increase demand. It's sad to think that they've misjudged the need to l= ure consumers with these sample programs. But then, it's already a given that getting HD radio into vehicles is goin= g to prove more difficult than leaders of the "HD Revolution" have judged. = So far, their track record is less than spectacular.=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Mar 17 07:03:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95643 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2006 14:57:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2006 14:57:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2006 14:57:54 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-194-40.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.194.40] helo=PossumHunter) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FKGOO-0000VT-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:57:28 -0500 Message-ID: <00eb01c649d3$1a0d8aa0$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <380-22006341614583421@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:57:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio - Making Noise, But Can't Be Found X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=w-_5gkvNJJ-vrCMiEahmbFOWY8rW7UFwQ8ScMsoipiKwDMHiIog3qZPlLh9FMg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 >A few search engine returns even led to dead links (for ex., WOR HD). The WOR HD page is down. Hmmmm, I wonder if Tom is working on the new web page http://wor710.com/Engineering/cquam/worstereo.htm Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From tomray@wor710.com Sat Mar 18 04:32:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25380 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2006 12:32:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2006 12:32:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2006 12:32:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2006 12:32:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2006 12:32:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:32:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00eb01c649d3$1a0d8aa0$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: HD Radio - Making Noise, But Can't Be Found X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=8rn4ETjaL_wV7_ppnaIDjSJIlU5wSNqnoyXtP0jU2S7SkscK X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray No. And it's interesting that the entire folder is missing. I'll have to ask our web people.... Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > > >A few search engine returns even led to dead links (for ex., WOR HD). >=20 > The WOR HD page is down. Hmmmm, I wonder if Tom is working on the new web=20 > page http://wor710.com/Engineering/cquam/worstereo.htm >=20 > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical=20 > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sat Mar 18 05:46:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51650 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2006 22:22:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2006 22:22:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2006 22:22:01 -0000 Received: from [4.247.123.64] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FKNKa-0001cA-HB for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:22:01 -0500 Message-ID: <380-220063517222212593@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.116.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:22:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc71aa24de4ffa4020fae89dd16f82b086350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio - Making Noise, But Can't Be Found X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=tZIB8wEmfCamRmes7obdUbJygmQPZeaXEEjdqqSG3iZeeg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Tampa Tribune ran a big article on HD Radio today, but they seemed to focus strictly on FM. I didn't notice any reference to AM radio in the article (unless I overlooked it). Below is a link to that page. Dick W. http://tampatrib.com/MGBPR21YVKE.html > [Original Message] > From: Possum Hunter > To: > Date: 3/17/2006 10:03:18 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio - Making Noise, But Can't Be Found > > >A few search engine returns even led to dead links (for ex., WOR HD). > > The WOR HD page is down. Hmmmm, I wonder if Tom is working on the new web > page http://wor710.com/Engineering/cquam/worstereo.htm > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Mar 18 07:22:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4793 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2006 15:22:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2006 15:22:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2006 15:22:02 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-194-40.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.194.40] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FKdFg-0001yn-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 10:22:00 -0500 Message-ID: <00ec01c64a9f$b1231640$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 10:21:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio - Making Noise, But Can't Be Found X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=jPOZGJslltedaBqCzbeX9K5a2TbPw3FjFzLSNGUZe9bo0eWpZU7Fz_IaFjYWPg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: > No. And it's interesting that the entire folder is missing. I'll have to > ask our web people.... It looks like SOME of the engineering folder is still there http://wor710.com/Engineering/ Perhaps you have a double agent working in your IT department that is on the Kahn or Motorola payroll? Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Mar 18 08:15:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42975 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2006 16:15:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2006 16:15:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.89) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2006 16:15:22 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:15:21 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.41 by BAY106-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 16:15:19 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 16:15:19 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2006 16:15:21.0486 (UTC) FILETIME=[27D45AE0:01C64AA7] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.89 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio - Making Noise, But Can't Be Found X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=eCzHiBGYPp3RyLHbvDskL0S1vzVpsGdj8ECI8CHpUgDGwJlRI8KytX9qq9o X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There was a scant mention of AM (although I don't know why the author even bothered, since he didn't give out any info about IBOC on the AM band.): ------------------------------ "The new technology is called HD Radio, a form of free digital radio similar to satellite radio services like Sirius and XM Satellite Radio. It sounds much better than typical FM or AM broadcasting. (The contrast in sound quality is akin to cassette tapes versus compact discs.) _______________________________________ _______________________________________ I've heard some pretty crappy sounding compact discs, so I don't know that is the best comparison Richard Harris (the author of the article) could come up. Part of the article sounds as though he might have lifted some paragraphs or phrases from the Ibiquity literature, so I don't know why he couldn't have said that AM IBOC will sound as good as traditional FM. (that's what the Ibiquity website and literature says). I just hope that most of the smaller mom and pop stations can afford the 75,000 to 1/4 million dollars for the set up to IBOC mentioned in the article; otherwise those stations are going to have real problems competing with the IBOC hash. Mr. Harris either isn't aware of RDS that is currently and has been available for at least 5 years, that can also give song title, traffic info etc. (or maybe he just didn't do his homework in researching the subject.) Donn latitude 27.761 north listening to XM channel 6 playing "Sky Pilot" ~ Eric Burton and the Animals -----Original Message----- From: Dick W Sent: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:22:12 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio - Making Noise, But Can't Be Found The Tampa Tribune ran a big article on HD Radio today, but they seemed to focus strictly on FM. I didn't notice any reference to AM radio in the article (unless I overlooked it). Below is a link to that page. Dick W. http://tampatrib.com/MGBPR21YVKE.html > [Original Message] > From: Possum Hunter > To: > Date: 3/17/2006 10:03:18 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio - Making Noise, But Can't Be Found > > >A few search engine returns even led to dead links (for ex., WOR HD). > > The WOR HD page is down. Hmmmm, I wonder if Tom is working on the new web > page http://wor710.com/Engineering/cquam/worstereo.htm > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bd6xray@lycos.com Sun Mar 19 08:09:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bd6xray@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10275 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2006 16:09:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2006 16:09:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.225) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2006 16:09:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n5.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2006 16:09:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2006 16:09:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2006 16:09:03 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 16:09:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.132.74.100 From: "bd6xray" Subject: HD: Not too good inside buildings yet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83174981; y=TlaKTbsA39_SkEL5j04Vdk9zK-Bv6HkDzUJ45gmCM6zVLw X-Yahoo-Profile: bd6xray Interesting article in Friday Morning Quarterback: http://www.fmqb.com/article.asp?id=3D184531 Al Hajny HD Radio: A Stumble Out of the Gate? By Paul Marszalek I've saved up $500, but I want three toys. I want one of those new=20 video iPods ($399), an international Treo-type phone ($299-$499), and=20 a new HD Radio ($499 at the time of this writing). So I have a=20 problem. I can only really afford one of these competing new=20 technologies right now. For the past six years or so, I've been intently watching the rollout=20 of digital radio throughout the world. I've watched the battles=20 between the competing digital technologies and I've watched the=20 stumbles of the rollout in England . It was stagnant for eight years,=20 but is now finally kicking in. I'm a radio junkie and a large portion of my business comes from=20 radio stations that are invested =96 literally =96 in the HD Radio=20 rollout. So as the PR machine started winding up, the second channels=20 started hitting the air, and stations started promoting them, I had a=20 thought: "This thing had better work." So with that, I started asking my friends and peers in the business=20 if anybody had a radio. I got two universal responses: "No," and "I=20 think the engineers have one." I really couldn't find anyone outside=20 the engineering community who had experienced HD. In the Malcolm Gladwell Tipping Point scheme of things, when it comes=20 to being the first guy on my block to buy a new product, I'm rarely=20 an "Innovator." More often, I'm an "Early Adopter" or "Early=20 Majority" kind of guy. In fact the last time I was the first guy on=20 the block to have something, it was with my 2001 Volvo XC 70 =96 the=20 Cross Country Wagon. I still regret it. I've had repeated trips to=20 the service bay, even though it just crossed 50,000 miles. Look it up=20 in Consumer Reports. The model has since improved, but the 2001 is a=20 dog. So for me to go out and blow $500 on the tabletop Boston Acoustics=20 Receptor Radio HD, without a single peer review, is a big deal. But I=20 did just that, tracking down a dealer in Greenwich , Connecticut=20 where I picked one up for $475, $502 with tax. (Boston Acoustics has=20 since dropped the price of this model to $299 list) I took it home, plopped it on the dining room table and turned it on.=20 Knowing that the NPR crowd was the first to champion the technology,=20 I started at the left hand side of the dial and tried WFUV/ New=20 York . The analog signal sounded great, but a few seconds later, when=20 the digital signal kicked in, it was nothing short of fantastic.=20 Truly amazing. WFUV is not broadcasting a second channel, so I headed up the dial to=20 WNYC, only to find no digital signal there. I fiddled with the little=20 wire "pigs tail" antenna, and it finally came in. But there was no=20 second channel, even though the HD2 "pilot" was lit. I moved up the=20 dial looking for more HD channels. Nothing. I managed to get Z100's=20 HD signal, but again, there was no second channel. I tried the AM=20 dial. Nothing. My initial burst of enthusiasm had quickly tempered to confusion.=20 Could I be doing something wrong? How could I not pick up these=20 stations? After all, I live about 16 miles as the crow flies from the=20 Empire State Building . Technical Difficulties=20 I went to the Ibiquity Web site to find that there were at least 13=20 stations broadcasting in HD in New York . One by one I tried to tune=20 them in, and one by one I was met with frustration. Constant fiddling=20 with the antenna yielded part-time successes. I managed to get Z100's=20 second channel for about three seconds, then three seconds of dead=20 air, then on, then off. This gave new meaning to the term picket- fencing. Digital is unforgiving. It's either on or it's off. I took the radio upstairs to the bedroom. This time I had some=20 success. WPLJ, WNEW, WAXQ, and several others sounded beautiful in=20 HD. But mind you, every time I changed the channel, I'd need to go=20 fiddle and reposition the antenna. Sometimes, as the digital signal=20 faded in and out, a phasing sound would occur. On the AM side,=20 continuous play with the antenna yielded a promising digital WNYC AM,=20 but WOR's digital signal amounted to a great big hum. The hotly advertised second channels were still mostly nowhere to be=20 found. Intermittent signals were achieved for WNYC, WAXQ, and WLTW.=20 Twice the radio froze up altogether and I had to unplug it=20 to "reboot" it. After considerable tinkering, I was finally able to=20 listen to Z100's new music channel at length. And the 32 kbps stream=20 had plenty of kick and dynamic range. But clearly, something was wrong. This whole thing was just not=20 working as advertised. I called Ibiquity and was referred to Vicki Stearn, who works for the=20 PR agency handling the Ibiquity HD account. Interestingly, she lived=20 nearby and I asked her if she was having similar problems. She told=20 me she doesn't have an HD radio because "they're very hard to get." Vicki referred me to Frank Barone, the Program Manager For Integrated=20 Products at Boston Acoustics. I described my situation, and asked=20 him if Boston Acoustics had test-driven the Receptor with real=20 people, actual consumers. He assured me they had. Frank asked me a few questions: "How high was the antenna?" "Is it=20 near a window?" Frank explained that signals in HD are considerably=20 lower than analog channels, generally down 10 db. I was quickly coming to the conclusion that what we might have here=20 was a $500 radio with a 12-cent antenna. When pressed, Frank allowed=20 that external antennas definitely help, as does location and height.=20 He also said that building penetration tended to be poor, especially=20 at distances greater than 20 miles from the radio station's antenna. Solutions? Apparently Boston Acoustics engineers were attaching Turk=20 antennas ($30 and up). It was also suggested that a trip to Radio=20 Shack to purchase a coaxial converter. Attaching it to a cheap dipole=20 antenna would probably help. Unfortunately, I no longer live in a dorm room, and the chances of my=20 wife letting me hang a dipole antenna in the bedroom were about as=20 likely as her letting me hang up black light posters and tossing in=20 some bean bag chairs. And are they to expect average consumers to go=20 this extra mile? De-Bugging HD=20 Ibiquity and the major broadcasters have done a lot of things right.=20 Learning a major lesson from the English, they rolled out exciting=20 programming as the radios became available. In England , radios sat=20 on shelves until new services launched. But there have been some stumbles as well. Broadcasters' promise of a=20 commercial free HD service is questionable. First, the promise will=20 end after 18-24 months, and second, it continues to promote the idea=20 that commercials are bad. Very little good can come from radio=20 continuously bashing its own business model. Then there's the occasional second channel programming oddity. For=20 example, Urban AC WKTU, the "Beat of New York" is promoting its=20 Country formatted second channel. Isn't that likely to fall on deaf=20 ears? And then there's the exchange that I heard at September's European=20 NAB Conference in Athens . Scott Stull, VP/Business Development at=20 Ibiquity, was forecasting an approximate drop of $50 annually in chip=20 prices. Quentin Howard of the UK's Digital One, operator of the=20 world's largest DAB network, countered that Ibiquity could have done=20 itself a big favor by licensing Digital One's chip instead of=20 developing its own. If true, using off-the-shelf technology could=20 have shaved years off the introduction of inexpensive HD radios in=20 the U.S. Ibiquity COO Jeff Jury told me that at one point, about four or five=20 years ago, there was discussion between European DAB developers and=20 Ibiquity about creating a single platform. It didn't work out. The=20 U.S. design calls for the blending of analog and digital, and the=20 chip requires more processing power to pull it off. While building penetration has apparently been an issue for some=20 tabletop owners, Ibiquity's Jury reports that the feedback on the=20 automobile products has been very positive and Ibiquity is now=20 shifting people to monitor and advise the manufacturers of the=20 consumer products. So what does all this mean? If we return to the theories and writings=20 of guys like Malcolm Gladwell and Everett Rogers, it could mean=20 trouble. Terrestrial radio might be hyping a technology that isn't=20 quite ready for prime time. If broadcasters are attempting an apples- to-apples comparison with satellite radio, right now they'll lose.=20 The fact is, while HD's lack of compression does sound a lot better=20 than satellite, it just doesn't work as well. There is something Gladwell and company talk about called "The Law of=20 the Few." It states that the spread of any new product or service is=20 determined by the initial adoption patterns of a small group of=20 socially infectious early-adopters. A combination of word-of-mouth=20 advocacy and the copycat effect kick-starts demand. In short: Mess=20 with the innovators and early adopters at your own peril. The introduction of HD Radio is only as strong as the weakest link.=20 Ibiquity and its broadcast partners would be well suited to=20 aggressively test the products of their manufacturing counterparts.=20 Applying a little pressure to Boston Acoustics to provide a more=20 powerful antenna would be a great start. Microsoft, Sirius and even my Volvo show that initial bugs can be=20 overcome. But the time to de-bug HD Radio is now. Paul Marszalek is a veteran radio and TV programmer having served as=20 VP of Music Programming for VH1, OM of KFOG/San Francisco, and APD of=20 WXRT/Chicago. Paul is currently Managing Partner of Media Mechanics,=20 a radio and television firm with clients that include Radio Free=20 Europe, Colorado Public Radio, WXPK "The Peak"/Westchester, KUSC/Los=20 Angeles, and more. Reach Paul at 917-533-4578, or pmarszalek@media- mechanics.com. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Mar 19 11:05:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+CTDE+86+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87868 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2006 19:05:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2006 19:05:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2006 19:05:41 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.220]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 65606321 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:05:39 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c64b89$40eb4100$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:13:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.212.220 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio - Making Noise, But Can't Be Found X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=mho1tj6qFq89tVF4XPVbFVqxdLpq6EhdZXoxyrqmP9HOzkXajYMF X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Reporters have been extraordinarily lazy these past few decades. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" > > Mr. Harris either isn't aware of RDS that is currently and has been available for at least 5 years, that can also give song title, traffic info etc. (or maybe he just didn't do his homework in researching the subject.) > From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Mar 19 12:30:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40878 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2006 20:30:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2006 20:30:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.80) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2006 20:30:57 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:30:57 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.41 by BAY106-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 20:30:54 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 20:30:54 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2006 20:30:57.0669 (UTC) FILETIME=[0751EB50:01C64B94] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.80 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio - Making Noise, But Can't Be Found X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=U-tum5U5CMH8rtgxo5wVEi5JN3Sxn3rQDJ9dLImpLfVg6eUMigMjzf2zWd4 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott Todd wrote: >Reporters have been extraordinarily lazy >these past few decades. On the surface this seems to be the case, but we have someone on one of these list who writes or did write for the Sacramento Bee (Richard?); maybe he could shed some light on this. At first I was inclined to say, this is the case, lazy reporters, but I did know someone who wrote for the Stuart News, here in Florida and he had complained to me, that with consolidation (the owner Scripps Howard) had bought two or three other newspapers in the area and along with that he was juggling more and more columns and not able to put the time in research as he had done in the past. This person came in on some Saturdays just to try to keep his head above water; even though there was no overtime for this. (of course he could do more in 4 or 5 hours on a Saturday than an 8 or 9 day during the week; less interruptions). Government agencies, politicians and corporations really take advantage of this by handing our press releases and press kits; hoping that the reporters are so harried that they will just quote the "fact sheets" or press releases. Then on the other hand, I'm sure some reporters are just lazy and there have always been lazy employees in every occupation and profession and the media is not an exception. Donn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Mar 19 12:41:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57476 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2006 20:41:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2006 20:41:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2006 20:41:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2006 20:41:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2006 20:41:28 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 20:41:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.21.226 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio - Making Noise, But Can't Be Found X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=kvttNsYVPCsVxSGnTpL-vhQY5xPxhXSLe5T21mBulAiEFX4g X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman"=20 wrote: > > Scott Todd wrote: >=20 > >Reporters have been extraordinarily lazy > >these past few decades. >=20 > On the surface this seems to be the case, but we have someone on=20 one of these list who writes or did write for the Sacramento Bee=20 (Richard?); maybe he could shed some light on this. Actually, he wrote a radio column for the Torrance (Calif.) Daily=20 Breeze, in the L.A. area. > Government agencies, politicians and corporations really take=20 advantage of this by handing our press releases and press kits;=20 hoping that the reporters are so harried that they will just quote=20 the "fact sheets" or press releases. >=20 > Then on the other hand, I'm sure some reporters are just lazy and=20 there have always been lazy employees in every occupation and=20 profession and the media is not an exception. More of a case of "lazy editing" and journalistic politics- The type=20 that says "this means advertising money, so don't go making waves.=20 Just make nice and use these press releases." The space sciences field already practices such press-release=20 reporting, that it's very frustrating to get any sense of an active=20 scientific community. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Mar 19 16:26:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 909 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2006 00:26:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2006 00:26:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao08.cox.net) (68.230.241.31) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2006 00:26:13 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.5] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060320002250.YVGX26964.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@[192.168.0.5]> for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:22:50 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <91DC48BD-F626-4ECD-A2BF-17EA079BF715@cox.net> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 16:26:10 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio - Making Noise, But Can't Be Found X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=OtdT-0m1Z7029TgSawj7Odp0grKz-AWsywrH-hXRO5V6A408w6cCPt-jOlw0 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know if you're talking about my column; it runs in the Torrance/South Bay Daily Breeze. I tend to believe that many reporters are indeed lazy. I am constantly amazed what gets printed in regard to radio and radio technology. Of course I was told by my editor that I get too technical and I have to have more "features." Many, many times I have read things in newspapers that are either wrong or misleading. This includes technology-related stories as well as things I am also involved with (education, etc.). There are many times that one source is considered good enough. Richard Wagoner On Mar 19, 2006, at 8:30 PM, Donn Tillman wrote: > Scott Todd wrote: > > >Reporters have been extraordinarily lazy > >these past few decades. > > On the surface this seems to be the case, but we have someone on > one of these list who writes or did write for the Sacramento Bee > (Richard?); maybe he could shed some light on this. > > At first I was inclined to say, this is the case, lazy reporters, > but I did know someone who wrote for the Stuart News, here in > Florida and he had complained to me, that with consolidation (the > owner Scripps Howard) had bought two or three other newspapers in > the area and along with that he was juggling more and more columns > and not able to put the time in research as he had done in the past. > > This person came in on some Saturdays just to try to keep his head > above water; even though there was no overtime for this. > (of course he could do more in 4 or 5 hours on a Saturday than an 8 > or 9 day during the week; less interruptions). > > Government agencies, politicians and corporations really take > advantage of this by handing our press releases and press kits; > hoping that the reporters are so harried that they will just quote > the "fact sheets" or press releases. > > Then on the other hand, I'm sure some reporters are just lazy and > there have always been lazy employees in every occupation and > profession and the media is not an exception. > > Donn > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Stereo High performance Digital radio > > YAHOO! 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Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Mar 19 17:23:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66326 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2006 01:23:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2006 01:23:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.87) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2006 01:23:11 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:23:11 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.44 by BAY106-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 01:23:08 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 01:23:09 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2006 01:23:11.0357 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA3662D0:01C64BBC] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.87 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio - Making Noise, But Can't Be Found X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=-kg9QW-NEPrX-TKn5PvFMMNiFhigXsltPn1ukCpQaeNJniYJJBcbFEehg0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Richard, Hope all is well in California. Yes, I was thinking of you, as now you know why I am not a reporter......... I got the facts wrong! Wrong newspaper. The person I knew who was the media columnist for the Stuart News sounds like you, he wanted to get things right and went over and beyond what he had to do. When he died suddenly of cancer that returned this past November at age 52, all his columns died as well, in fact there was a letter to the editor the other day asking why his radio and TV column had not been revived. This guy was a dx'er, had his GE Superadio and in his radio and TV column was always giving reception tips for both am and fm and TV, as well as constantly explaining why the cable companies were constantly changing their lineups; he also had a help line column, a column about the history of the Treasure Coast and all his columns were accurate (one of his collateral duties was to appear on several radio stations , including the local NPR station once a week, giving radio and TV highlights and fielding phone calls and emails from people in reference to radio and TV. ) The Stuart News has good reporters for the most part, but they are being stretched to cover more and more events and duties as people leave the newspaper. My local paper, the St Petersburg Times was at one time considered one of the Top 10 newspapers in the country back in the mid to late 1980's, but now there's less real news and more entertainment features and on the local news front, many of the stories don't answer the "who, what, where, why and when" and that can be very frustrating, so at the Times someone is lazy or doesn't care. (or both). The St Petersburg Times is just a shadow of it's former self. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Wagoner Sent: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 16:26:10 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio - Making Noise, But Can't Be Found I don't know if you're talking about my column; it runs in the Torrance/South Bay Daily Breeze. I tend to believe that many reporters are indeed lazy. I am constantly amazed what gets printed in regard to radio and radio technology. Of course I was told by my editor that I get too technical and I have to have more "features." Many, many times I have read things in newspapers that are either wrong or misleading. This includes technology-related stories as well as things I am also involved with (education, etc.). There are many times that one source is considered good enough. Richard Wagoner On Mar 19, 2006, at 8:30 PM, Donn Tillman wrote: > Scott Todd wrote: > > >Reporters have been extraordinarily lazy > >these past few decades. > > On the surface this seems to be the case, but we have someone on > one of these list who writes or did write for the Sacramento Bee > (Richard?); maybe he could shed some light on this. > > At first I was inclined to say, this is the case, lazy reporters, > but I did know someone who wrote for the Stuart News, here in > Florida and he had complained to me, that with consolidation (the > owner Scripps Howard) had bought two or three other newspapers in > the area and along with that he was juggling more and more columns > and not able to put the time in research as he had done in the past. > > This person came in on some Saturdays just to try to keep his head > above water; even though there was no overtime for this. > (of course he could do more in 4 or 5 hours on a Saturday than an 8 > or 9 day during the week; less interruptions). > > Government agencies, politicians and corporations really take > advantage of this by handing our press releases and press kits; > hoping that the reporters are so harried that they will just quote > the "fact sheets" or press releases. > > Then on the other hand, I'm sure some reporters are just lazy and > there have always been lazy employees in every occupation and > profession and the media is not an exception. > > Donn > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Stereo High performance Digital radio > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun Mar 19 21:23:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87756 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2006 05:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2006 05:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.221) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2006 05:23:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2006 05:23:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2006 05:23:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2006 05:23:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 05:23:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.184.96.32 From: "Mike" Subject: Re: HD: Not too good inside buildings yet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087; y=Wzx_KR0LhKAKe9j5DeCYO_xQVAkk9jmslSD8GQYTJe3G_7vC X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio Couldn't have said it better.=20=20 1) When the average consumer goes out to purchase a $300 radio, it=20 had better work well enough with the supplied hardware. The BA does=20 not. BA needs to supply better hardware. 2) The idea about "commercial free" is a negative statement against=20 commercial radio. Eventually these HD2 streams will not be=20 commercial free, what then? This article was the first to make me=20 realize the paradox that is unfolding... broadcasters telling=20 consumers that "commercial free" is better when their entire=20 business plan is based on the opposite.=20=20 3) I now have Sirius in the car, transmitting to my head unit via=20 87.9 MHz. Ignoring the manual, I simply placed the antenna on my=20 dash and said "let's see". I didn't want to mount the antenna=20 because I knew I would want to take the Sirius receiver with me to=20 another car or in the house. With the supplied hardware, against=20 manufacturer's minimum recommendations, I have perfect reception=20 from Eastern LI all the way into the city when the signal becomes=20 terrestrial. The author is correct, sattelite does work from a=20 technical standpoint. HD2 channels are VERY limited in range=20 compared to the main signal(s). --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bd6xray" wrote: > > Interesting article in Friday Morning Quarterback: >=20 > http://www.fmqb.com/article.asp?id=3D184531 >=20 > Al Hajny >=20 >=20 > HD Radio: A Stumble Out of the Gate? > By Paul Marszalek >=20 > I've saved up $500, but I want three toys. I want one of those new=20 > video iPods ($399), an international Treo-type phone ($299-$499),=20 and=20 > a new HD Radio ($499 at the time of this writing). So I have a=20 > problem. I can only really afford one of these competing new=20 > technologies right now. >=20 > For the past six years or so, I've been intently watching the=20 rollout=20 > of digital radio throughout the world. I've watched the battles=20 > between the competing digital technologies and I've watched the=20 > stumbles of the rollout in England . It was stagnant for eight=20 years,=20 > but is now finally kicking in. >=20 > I'm a radio junkie and a large portion of my business comes from=20 > radio stations that are invested =96 literally =96 in the HD Radio=20 > rollout. So as the PR machine started winding up, the second=20 channels=20 > started hitting the air, and stations started promoting them, I=20 had a=20 > thought: "This thing had better work." >=20 > So with that, I started asking my friends and peers in the=20 business=20 > if anybody had a radio. I got two universal responses: "No,"=20 and "I=20 > think the engineers have one." I really couldn't find anyone=20 outside=20 > the engineering community who had experienced HD. >=20 > In the Malcolm Gladwell Tipping Point scheme of things, when it=20 comes=20 > to being the first guy on my block to buy a new product, I'm=20 rarely=20 > an "Innovator." More often, I'm an "Early Adopter" or "Early=20 > Majority" kind of guy. In fact the last time I was the first guy=20 on=20 > the block to have something, it was with my 2001 Volvo XC 70 =96 the=20 > Cross Country Wagon. I still regret it. I've had repeated trips to=20 > the service bay, even though it just crossed 50,000 miles. Look it=20 up=20 > in Consumer Reports. The model has since improved, but the 2001 is=20 a=20 > dog. >=20 > So for me to go out and blow $500 on the tabletop Boston Acoustics=20 > Receptor Radio HD, without a single peer review, is a big deal.=20 But I=20 > did just that, tracking down a dealer in Greenwich , Connecticut=20 > where I picked one up for $475, $502 with tax. (Boston Acoustics=20 has=20 > since dropped the price of this model to $299 list) >=20 > I took it home, plopped it on the dining room table and turned it=20 on.=20 > Knowing that the NPR crowd was the first to champion the=20 technology,=20 > I started at the left hand side of the dial and tried WFUV/ New=20 > York . The analog signal sounded great, but a few seconds later,=20 when=20 > the digital signal kicked in, it was nothing short of fantastic.=20 > Truly amazing. >=20 > WFUV is not broadcasting a second channel, so I headed up the dial=20 to=20 > WNYC, only to find no digital signal there. I fiddled with the=20 little=20 > wire "pigs tail" antenna, and it finally came in. But there was no=20 > second channel, even though the HD2 "pilot" was lit. I moved up=20 the=20 > dial looking for more HD channels. Nothing. I managed to get=20 Z100's=20 > HD signal, but again, there was no second channel. I tried the AM=20 > dial. Nothing. >=20 > My initial burst of enthusiasm had quickly tempered to confusion.=20 > Could I be doing something wrong? How could I not pick up these=20 > stations? After all, I live about 16 miles as the crow flies from=20 the=20 > Empire State Building . >=20 > Technical Difficulties=20 > I went to the Ibiquity Web site to find that there were at least=20 13=20 > stations broadcasting in HD in New York . One by one I tried to=20 tune=20 > them in, and one by one I was met with frustration. Constant=20 fiddling=20 > with the antenna yielded part-time successes. I managed to get=20 Z100's=20 > second channel for about three seconds, then three seconds of dead=20 > air, then on, then off. This gave new meaning to the term picket- > fencing. Digital is unforgiving. It's either on or it's off. >=20 > I took the radio upstairs to the bedroom. This time I had some=20 > success. WPLJ, WNEW, WAXQ, and several others sounded beautiful in=20 > HD. But mind you, every time I changed the channel, I'd need to go=20 > fiddle and reposition the antenna. Sometimes, as the digital=20 signal=20 > faded in and out, a phasing sound would occur. On the AM side,=20 > continuous play with the antenna yielded a promising digital WNYC=20 AM,=20 > but WOR's digital signal amounted to a great big hum. >=20 > The hotly advertised second channels were still mostly nowhere to=20 be=20 > found. Intermittent signals were achieved for WNYC, WAXQ, and=20 WLTW.=20 > Twice the radio froze up altogether and I had to unplug it=20 > to "reboot" it. After considerable tinkering, I was finally able=20 to=20 > listen to Z100's new music channel at length. And the 32 kbps=20 stream=20 > had plenty of kick and dynamic range. >=20 > But clearly, something was wrong. This whole thing was just not=20 > working as advertised. >=20 > I called Ibiquity and was referred to Vicki Stearn, who works for=20 the=20 > PR agency handling the Ibiquity HD account. Interestingly, she=20 lived=20 > nearby and I asked her if she was having similar problems. She=20 told=20 > me she doesn't have an HD radio because "they're very hard to get." >=20 > Vicki referred me to Frank Barone, the Program Manager For=20 Integrated=20 > Products at Boston Acoustics. I described my situation, and asked=20 > him if Boston Acoustics had test-driven the Receptor with real=20 > people, actual consumers. He assured me they had. >=20 > Frank asked me a few questions: "How high was the antenna?" "Is it=20 > near a window?" Frank explained that signals in HD are=20 considerably=20 > lower than analog channels, generally down 10 db. >=20 > I was quickly coming to the conclusion that what we might have=20 here=20 > was a $500 radio with a 12-cent antenna. When pressed, Frank=20 allowed=20 > that external antennas definitely help, as does location and=20 height.=20 > He also said that building penetration tended to be poor,=20 especially=20 > at distances greater than 20 miles from the radio station's=20 antenna. >=20 > Solutions? Apparently Boston Acoustics engineers were attaching=20 Turk=20 > antennas ($30 and up). It was also suggested that a trip to Radio=20 > Shack to purchase a coaxial converter. Attaching it to a cheap=20 dipole=20 > antenna would probably help. >=20 > Unfortunately, I no longer live in a dorm room, and the chances of=20 my=20 > wife letting me hang a dipole antenna in the bedroom were about as=20 > likely as her letting me hang up black light posters and tossing=20 in=20 > some bean bag chairs. And are they to expect average consumers to=20 go=20 > this extra mile? >=20 > De-Bugging HD=20 > Ibiquity and the major broadcasters have done a lot of things=20 right.=20 > Learning a major lesson from the English, they rolled out exciting=20 > programming as the radios became available. In England , radios=20 sat=20 > on shelves until new services launched. >=20 > But there have been some stumbles as well. Broadcasters' promise=20 of a=20 > commercial free HD service is questionable. First, the promise=20 will=20 > end after 18-24 months, and second, it continues to promote the=20 idea=20 > that commercials are bad. Very little good can come from radio=20 > continuously bashing its own business model. >=20 > Then there's the occasional second channel programming oddity. For=20 > example, Urban AC WKTU, the "Beat of New York" is promoting its=20 > Country formatted second channel. Isn't that likely to fall on=20 deaf=20 > ears? >=20 > And then there's the exchange that I heard at September's European=20 > NAB Conference in Athens . Scott Stull, VP/Business Development at=20 > Ibiquity, was forecasting an approximate drop of $50 annually in=20 chip=20 > prices. Quentin Howard of the UK's Digital One, operator of the=20 > world's largest DAB network, countered that Ibiquity could have=20 done=20 > itself a big favor by licensing Digital One's chip instead of=20 > developing its own. If true, using off-the-shelf technology could=20 > have shaved years off the introduction of inexpensive HD radios in=20 > the U.S. >=20 > Ibiquity COO Jeff Jury told me that at one point, about four or=20 five=20 > years ago, there was discussion between European DAB developers=20 and=20 > Ibiquity about creating a single platform. It didn't work out. The=20 > U.S. design calls for the blending of analog and digital, and the=20 > chip requires more processing power to pull it off. >=20 > While building penetration has apparently been an issue for some=20 > tabletop owners, Ibiquity's Jury reports that the feedback on the=20 > automobile products has been very positive and Ibiquity is now=20 > shifting people to monitor and advise the manufacturers of the=20 > consumer products. >=20 > So what does all this mean? If we return to the theories and=20 writings=20 > of guys like Malcolm Gladwell and Everett Rogers, it could mean=20 > trouble. Terrestrial radio might be hyping a technology that isn't=20 > quite ready for prime time. If broadcasters are attempting an=20 apples- > to-apples comparison with satellite radio, right now they'll lose.=20 > The fact is, while HD's lack of compression does sound a lot=20 better=20 > than satellite, it just doesn't work as well. >=20 > There is something Gladwell and company talk about called "The Law=20 of=20 > the Few." It states that the spread of any new product or service=20 is=20 > determined by the initial adoption patterns of a small group of=20 > socially infectious early-adopters. A combination of word-of-mouth=20 > advocacy and the copycat effect kick-starts demand. In short: Mess=20 > with the innovators and early adopters at your own peril. >=20 > The introduction of HD Radio is only as strong as the weakest=20 link.=20 > Ibiquity and its broadcast partners would be well suited to=20 > aggressively test the products of their manufacturing=20 counterparts.=20 > Applying a little pressure to Boston Acoustics to provide a more=20 > powerful antenna would be a great start. >=20 > Microsoft, Sirius and even my Volvo show that initial bugs can be=20 > overcome. But the time to de-bug HD Radio is now. >=20 > Paul Marszalek is a veteran radio and TV programmer having served=20 as=20 > VP of Music Programming for VH1, OM of KFOG/San Francisco, and APD=20 of=20 > WXRT/Chicago. Paul is currently Managing Partner of Media=20 Mechanics,=20 > a radio and television firm with clients that include Radio Free=20 > Europe, Colorado Public Radio, WXPK "The Peak"/Westchester,=20 KUSC/Los=20 > Angeles, and more. Reach Paul at 917-533-4578, or pmarszalek@media- > mechanics.com. > From petersdad2001@yahoo.com Sun Mar 19 23:11:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: petersdad2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94520 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2006 07:11:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2006 07:11:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.90) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2006 07:11:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2006 07:11:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2006 07:11:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:11:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <91DC48BD-F626-4ECD-A2BF-17EA079BF715@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.183.29.229 From: "Alan Oda" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio - Making Noise, But Can't Be Found X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=79442875; y=sZbOkjKun4G3erHNl9vsfSZ6B1BRhDaaWkBl3W20yq0Bb233XAs9hg X-Yahoo-Profile: petersdad2001 Indeed, Richard writes a marvelous column available to those of us in Southern California. Fred Shuster writes (or is it "wrote" - I'm not sure) a column in the Los Angeles Daily News, and Gary Lycan also does a great job at the Orange County Register. Tom Hoffart at the Daily News does a superb job with his sports media column, which often mentions what's happening in radio. However, the Los Angeles Times doesn't have a regular radio columnist, as far as I know of... What's interesting about HD radio is that any mention of AM IBOC is rare, at best. I'm afraid that AM will be lost in the shuffle (again) as the new technologies are phased in. Aside from the hash, the limiting of analog AM signals (on digital stations) to 5 kHz is still an annoyance to me. And has anyone listening to HD radio heard any of the IBOC stations in stereo? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > > I don't know if you're talking about my column; it runs in the=20=20 > Torrance/South Bay Daily Breeze. >=20 > I tend to believe that many reporters are indeed lazy. I am=20=20 > constantly amazed what gets printed in regard to radio and radio=20=20 > technology. Of course I was told by my editor that I get too=20=20 > technical and I have to have more "features." >=20 > Many, many times I have read things in newspapers that are either=20=20 > wrong or misleading. This includes technology-related stories as well = =20 > as things I am also involved with (education, etc.). There are many=20=20 > times that one source is considered good enough. >=20 > Richard Wagoner >=20 > From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Mar 19 23:59:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12292 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2006 07:59:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2006 07:59:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.195) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2006 07:59:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 91702 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Mar 2006 07:58:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20060320075856.91700.qmail@web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.159.125.231] by web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 23:58:56 PST Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 23:58:56 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio - Making Noise, But Can't Be Found X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=R61Gz7b47c_Ja3ShoRj5mE3Y_5cSO4LcK3vq9tdpBTVHDnouvH_C X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Yall all just keep up the push out there to bring back analogue AM stereo. I hope to finally here it live on the air when I go down to Myrtle Beach in August. I'm gonna go by WNMB and get an AM stereo receiver. Bill Norman is doing great things there and still plays the good golden oldies! Here in the upstate of SC we don't have an oldies station. I wish we'd get on on the AM band up here. Would be a nice thing to tune in on the dial! Keep pushin analogue AM stereo, we don't want this digital crap. -Kevin --- Alan Oda wrote: --------------------------------- Indeed, Richard writes a marvelous column available to those of us in Southern California. Fred Shuster writes (or is it "wrote" - I'm not sure) a column in the Los Angeles Daily News, and Gary Lycan also does a great job at the Orange County Register. Tom Hoffart at the Daily News does a superb job with his sports media column, which often mentions what's happening in radio. However, the Los Angeles Times doesn't have a regular radio columnist, as far as I know of... What's interesting about HD radio is that any mention of AM IBOC is rare, at best. I'm afraid that AM will be lost in the shuffle (again) as the new technologies are phased in. Aside from the hash, the limiting of analog AM signals (on digital stations) to 5 kHz is still an annoyance to me. And has anyone listening to HD radio heard any of the IBOC stations in stereo? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > > I don't know if you're talking about my column; it runs in the > Torrance/South Bay Daily Breeze. > > I tend to believe that many reporters are indeed lazy. I am > constantly amazed what gets printed in regard to radio and radio > technology. Of course I was told by my editor that I get too > technical and I have to have more "features." > > Many, many times I have read things in newspapers that are either > wrong or misleading. This includes technology-related stories as well > as things I am also involved with (education, etc.). There are many > times that one source is considered good enough. > > Richard Wagoner > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum SPONSORED LINKS Stereo High performance Digital radio --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tomray@wor710.com Mon Mar 20 10:28:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22650 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2006 18:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2006 18:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2006 18:24:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2006 18:24:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2006 18:24:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:24:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00ec01c64a9f$b1231640$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: HD Radio - Making Noise, But Can't Be Found X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=zS2QNQOXqT90drbpjqn8jc37GYcXLMA4gkSlySWaXMvvHD64 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Don't know what happened to the original folder, but I recovered it from the nightly backup. TR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > > Tom Ray wrote: > > No. And it's interesting that the entire folder is missing. I'll have to=20 > > ask our web people.... >=20 > It looks like SOME of the engineering folder is still there=20 > http://wor710.com/Engineering/ >=20 > Perhaps you have a double agent working in your IT department that is on the=20 > Kahn or Motorola payroll? >=20 > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical=20 > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Mon Mar 20 17:48:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51861 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2006 01:48:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2006 01:48:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2006 01:48:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2006 01:48:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2006 01:48:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 01:48:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.180.127 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: HD Radio - Making Noise, But Can't Be Found X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=LSQgnDXbbAoXVZ39U6W2NyFgxBioLZPRMc-5MMT9kKe_S5eETYlyyw X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: I'm surprised no one has commented on Kevin Martin, the boy chairman's, rem= arks about=20 authorizing nighttime broadcasting of IBOC AM. It's soon to come. Looks as if Tom was right after all. db > > Don't know what happened to the original folder, but I recovered it > from the nightly backup. >=20 > TR >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" > wrote: > > > > Tom Ray wrote: > > > No. And it's interesting that the entire folder is missing. I'll > have to=20 > > > ask our web people.... > >=20 > > It looks like SOME of the engineering folder is still there=20 > > http://wor710.com/Engineering/ > >=20 > > Perhaps you have a double agent working in your IT department that > is on the=20 > > Kahn or Motorola payroll? > >=20 > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a > mathematical=20 > > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kah= n > > > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Mar 20 19:19:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69706 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2006 03:19:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2006 03:19:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2006 03:19:11 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-194-40.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.194.40] helo=PossumHunter) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FLXOo-0001lE-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:19:10 -0500 Message-ID: <044601c64c96$385137d0$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:19:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio - Making Noise, But Can't Be Found X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=fMnRfDhkoOQejgPB1uzcyMFfA4LWdW2GRLpEXdWnuhVNn2MTNVeGepUjhX8vTA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: > Don't know what happened to the original folder, but I recovered it from > the nightly backup. That is WHY we back-up our computers! You may want to up-date the page. The Kenwood and Vistion links are dead. BTW, when will WOR be hosting the Field Strength Meter Party for the new antenna farm proof? Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From brian60420@yahoo.com Mon Mar 20 20:54:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68965 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2006 04:54:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2006 04:54:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.226) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2006 04:54:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2006 04:54:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2006 04:54:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2006 04:54:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 04:54:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.47.146.122 From: "brian60420" Subject: WLS not in Stereo today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275; y=6vYCq8Cls07rMQcabkiCK4cicc3b7xmj9IzvnrdB-B2CWTqq7A X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 I noticed that WLS in Chicago lost it's stereo signal. I wrote the=20 programming e-mail link about it. Hope it's not a permanent situation.=20 That would leave only one AM Stereo station in Chicago. brian From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Mar 21 04:11:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78486 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2006 12:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2006 12:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2006 12:11:23 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-194-40.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.194.40] helo=PossumHunter) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FLfcl-000130-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:06:07 -0500 Message-ID: <052601c64cdf$d4d16af0$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:06:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS not in Stereo today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=iM1n8hO9r9go8Uw1SznzO4H1h5SarG-5uli-871Jk8iuFNbvwK7v0lhbSHSJCw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 brian60420 wrote: >I noticed that WLS in Chicago lost it's stereo signal. WLS is listed to switch to HD-Radio http://www.ibiquity.com/cgi-bin/liststations?state=IL&go=Go%21 Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From tomray@wor710.com Tue Mar 21 10:19:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24024 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2006 18:19:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2006 18:19:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2006 18:19:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2006 18:19:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2006 18:19:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:19:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <044601c64c96$385137d0$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: HD Radio - Making Noise, But Can't Be Found X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=fKC9vkagj1RXihJ5jMxeWIfNbehRVupxQQiB6Tvvgc9qWYQL X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Hopefully around the first or second week of May (he says with fingers crossed). Would have been sooner....but who thought our remaining two towers would have bee victims of a tornado in Indiana where they were manufactured. TR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > > Tom Ray wrote: > > Don't know what happened to the original folder, but I recovered it from=20 > > the nightly backup. >=20 > That is WHY we back-up our computers! >=20 > You may want to up-date the page. The Kenwood and Vistion links are dead. >=20 > BTW, when will WOR be hosting the Field Strength Meter Party for the new=20 > antenna farm proof? >=20 > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical=20 > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Mar 21 17:12:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46939 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2006 01:12:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2006 01:12:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm43.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2006 01:12:52 -0000 Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.203]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k2M1CtBd022966 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:12:55 -0500 X-ORBL: [68.76.219.194] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-76-219-194.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.219.194]) by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id k2M1CkeZ219464 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:12:50 -0500 Message-ID: <001501c64d4d$bd23d320$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:12:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0612-0, 03/20/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio - Making Noise, But Can't Be Found X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=aob93eUM8bpCIZEnk1JqcjDNnRvTPocP8TEmHP-hR4I6GmM X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Hopefully around the first or second week of May (he says with fingers > crossed). Would have been sooner....but who thought our remaining two > towers would have bee victims of a tornado in Indiana where they were > manufactured. ERI??? Tornadoes last week, 6" of snow today... I've gotta get out of here... -Jim- (in Indiana) From tomray@wor710.com Wed Mar 22 11:34:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54592 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2006 19:34:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2006 19:34:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2006 19:34:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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TR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > > Hopefully around the first or second week of May (he says with fingers > > crossed). Would have been sooner....but who thought our remaining two > > towers would have bee victims of a tornado in Indiana where they were > > manufactured. >=20 > ERI??? > Tornadoes last week, 6" of snow today... I've gotta get out of here... > -Jim- (in Indiana) > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 22 14:55:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2273 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2006 22:55:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2006 22:55:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2006 22:55:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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Subject: WNMB's mono audio processing on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=wRhUY6Ux7zhiozMZkKRa6aP27sVffI_dU6Gmpcx81RuVpFOWcA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics If anyone wants a complete mono AM audio processing scheme, perhaps=20 to use as a backup, this four-piece CRL setup from WNMB (now replaced=20 with a stereo Optimod 9100) would do the trick: http://cgi1.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MakeTrack&item=3D7400524502 From wnmb@sc.rr.com Wed Mar 22 15:32:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87538 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2006 23:32:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2006 23:32:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.222) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2006 23:32:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2006 23:32:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2006 23:32:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2006 23:32:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 23:32:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.211.44.209 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: Re: WNMB's mono audio processing on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=2B6MT4kPsIqBe0nOhGC60nkk4bUwRRoqVUtrbCpDGllkag X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Kevin,=20 I've been so busy for the past week or so, there hasn't been any=20 forum time, but thank you for posting about the CRL system. It's=20 pretty decent, but not like the Optimod or new DAP processors. I am making a post on the forum about some processing changes we=20 made today which have resulted in a great improvement in the AM=20 Stereo sound. Come to the Beach when you can. I am saving an AM Stereo tuner for=20 you! Bill --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." =20 wrote: > > If anyone wants a complete mono AM audio processing scheme,=20 perhaps=20 > to use as a backup, this four-piece CRL setup from WNMB (now=20 replaced=20 > with a stereo Optimod 9100) would do the trick: >=20 > http://cgi1.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MakeTrack&item=3D7400524502 > From wnmb@sc.rr.com Wed Mar 22 15:44:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7884 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2006 23:44:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2006 23:44:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2006 23:44:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2006 23:44:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2006 23:44:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 23:44:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.211.44.209 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: What a difference a new processor has made!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=BbHyOf65cYqYj8m5QgsWWHogRT3ZxUXOpqzaiM6Bif64HA X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Since we converted to AM Stereo, I had been generally pleased with the=20 sound, but have felt it wasn't quite as good here as I had experienced=20 at our North Carolina station earlier.=20=20 Today, things have changed. We installed a brand new Orban Optimod=20 9100B AM stereo audio processor. It tuned right up and the sound is=20 awesome! Now, I can start making airchecks which have a fidelity that=20 delivers what I wanted. With the new Optimod 9400 coming out soon, the company had a couple of=20 these new 9100B units left in stock and we grabbed one. Orban definitely made a big improvement from the 9100A to the 9100B. I=20 wish I had tried one before now! Anyway, when any of you come to my area now, I'll be proud to have you=20 hear the sound.......the technical part that is..........I am not so=20 sure about our abilities on the programming end of things! Also, we heard from Radio World today that our AM Stereo piece is=20 definitely included in the April 12 issue. I am sure I will hear from some that HD is here and AM Stereo Analog=20 is dead...........but that's not the case in North Myrtle Beach. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Mar 22 16:16:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19119 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2006 00:16:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2006 00:16:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2006 00:16:34 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-194-40.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.194.40] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FMDV4-0000AK-00; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 19:16:26 -0500 Message-ID: <008701c64e0f$05ccc660$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: , Cc: , Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 19:16:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Air Castle of the South Article X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=M8ngvkBHAukg1tI2vw16W-B6wLIs0XDOG_qV3q-X559583XLCaIXxlPhcvCy0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Today I was looking at the article "Air Castle of the South" on your web page http://www.wsmonline.com/page.asp?Page=68 I noticed a big error about the Blaw-Knox Diamond tower. The article states "There is only one other tower in the world with the same design. The "other" tower can be found in Mason, Ohio at the home of Cincinnati's premier radio station, WLW." WBT AM 1110 in Charlotte, NC has THREE Blaw-Knox Diamonds, each of them are 428' high. The center tower is the original from the 1933 power increase to 50,000 Watts, but the end towers were blown down by Hurricane Hugo and replaced by two brand new Diamonds in 1989. This means WBT has the newest Blaw-Knox Diamonds on the air! WFEA AM 1370 Manchester, NH has a 350' Blaw-Knox Diamond that was built in October of 1931, making it the oldest, and shortest Diamond still on the air. WBNS AM 1460 in Columbus, OH still uses a 380' Blaw-Knox Diamond for it's Daytime 5KW signal As far as I know, WPHT AM 1210 Philadelphia, PA is still using the old WCAU Blaw-Knox Diamond built for the 1933 Power increase to 50,000 Watts. WHO in Des Moines had a diamond until the late 1940's, when it was replaced at the same site by the existing uniform cross-section tower. The bottom two-thirds of the old WHO tower was moved to the rear of an Iowa State Police station in Des Moines for use as a communications tower. It is still in use today. The WNEW / WADO Diamond was replaced with a self supporter in 1999 for the 5,000 Watt to 50,000 power increase. I sure do miss listening to the Grand ol' Opry and the Friday Night Opry in Stereo. I do wish WSM would consider broadcasting in C-QUAM analog AM Stereo at night, since the FCC will not allow HD-Radio past Sunset. Even if WSM was allowed to broadcast in digital at night, DX reception here in Florida would be impossible. Yes, I know I can listen to WSM on XM, but I am a bit old fashioned, I still think Radio should be FREE, as it was when my Great Grandpa listened to the Opry on his old Atwater-Kent Console radio. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Mar 22 20:41:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47795 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2006 04:41:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2006 04:41:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2006 04:41:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2006 04:40:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2006 04:40:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 04:40:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.62.243 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: What a difference a new processor has made!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=ypZALcUzmmDC07MFohYpHM_xrf9vS5wF_Gj4yEe1WoKRXiwN X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > Anyway, when any of you come to my area now, I'll be proud to have=20 you=20 > hear the sound.......the technical part that is..........I am not so=20 > sure about our abilities on the programming end of things! Oh, come ON! :D WNMB is every live-and-locval radio fan's wet dream! :D=20 You guys are doing a terrific job, and your selection is fantastic! :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From starship_2001@msn.com Thu Mar 23 04:31:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90557 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2006 12:31:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2006 12:31:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2006 12:31:47 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 04:29:57 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.5 by BAY106-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:29:54 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:29:54 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Mar 2006 12:29:57.0236 (UTC) FILETIME=[7ED05340:01C64E75] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Air Castle of the South Article X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=i7qAML6DSvqwDTCUfQjrIYKA3fAvFNnvqstPLDqbcv6tIBuNqo9EeJFmkg X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WSM is not on XM satelite radio. It was on sirius satelite radio but they hae made a change. sirius used to carry the WSM broadcast now they have a different sat cast that is not exactly the same as the over the air MW WSM broadcast. -----Original Message----- From: Possum Hunter Sent: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:16:24 -0800 To: whairston@wsmonline.com, ckulick@wsmonline.com Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amradiodx@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Air Castle of the South Article Today I was looking at the article "Air Castle of the South" on your web page http://www.wsmonline.com/page.asp?Page=68 I noticed a big error about the Blaw-Knox Diamond tower. The article states "There is only one other tower in the world with the same design. The "other" tower can be found in Mason, Ohio at the home of Cincinnati's premier radio station, WLW." WBT AM 1110 in Charlotte, NC has THREE Blaw-Knox Diamonds, each of them are 428' high. The center tower is the original from the 1933 power increase to 50,000 Watts, but the end towers were blown down by Hurricane Hugo and replaced by two brand new Diamonds in 1989. This means WBT has the newest Blaw-Knox Diamonds on the air! WFEA AM 1370 Manchester, NH has a 350' Blaw-Knox Diamond that was built in October of 1931, making it the oldest, and shortest Diamond still on the air. WBNS AM 1460 in Columbus, OH still uses a 380' Blaw-Knox Diamond for it's Daytime 5KW signal As far as I know, WPHT AM 1210 Philadelphia, PA is still using the old WCAU Blaw-Knox Diamond built for the 1933 Power increase to 50,000 Watts. WHO in Des Moines had a diamond until the late 1940's, when it was replaced at the same site by the existing uniform cross-section tower. The bottom two-thirds of the old WHO tower was moved to the rear of an Iowa State Police station in Des Moines for use as a communications tower. It is still in use today. The WNEW / WADO Diamond was replaced with a self supporter in 1999 for the 5,000 Watt to 50,000 power increase. I sure do miss listening to the Grand ol' Opry and the Friday Night Opry in Stereo. I do wish WSM would consider broadcasting in C-QUAM analog AM Stereo at night, since the FCC will not allow HD-Radio past Sunset. Even if WSM was allowed to broadcast in digital at night, DX reception here in Florida would be impossible. Yes, I know I can listen to WSM on XM, but I am a bit old fashioned, I still think Radio should be FREE, as it was when my Great Grandpa listened to the Opry on his old Atwater-Kent Console radio. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! 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(VPS 0612-2, 03/23/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: What a difference a new processor has made!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=Aj-knFnBmCshu8cq9cbjRTDDtMJA9xwdZxEFa18JGCSmH70 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: >> Anyway, when any of you come to my area now, I'll be proud to have > you >> hear the sound.......the technical part that is..........I am not so >> sure about our abilities on the programming end of things! > > Oh, come ON! :D WNMB is every live-and-locval radio fan's wet dream! :D > You guys are doing a terrific job, and your selection is fantastic! :) I've heard WNMB and love it. The air signal is one of the best AM Stations I have ever heard. Your music is skewed a bit older than I prefer, but it is still great. -Jim- From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Thu Mar 23 07:43:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 44441 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2006 15:43:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2006 15:43:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2006 15:43:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2006 15:42:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2006 15:42:14 -0000 Date: 23 Mar 2006 15:42:13 -0000 Message-ID: <1143128533.15469.6957.w123@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /WNMB AIR Sony SRF a100.mp3 Uploaded by : wnmb900 Description : WNMB, North Myrtle Beach 3/22/06 aircheck mp3 from Sony srf a-100 You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/WNMB%20AIR%20Sony%20SRF%20a100.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, wnmb900 From wnmb@sc.rr.com Thu Mar 23 07:48:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84012 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2006 15:48:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2006 15:48:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.232) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2006 15:48:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n9.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2006 15:48:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2006 15:48:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2006 15:48:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:48:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.199.186.206 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: WNMB aircheck using Sony SRF a-100 loaded to file section X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=JWv_twVr4nB8X6M_xKPXHVp9qnUZJ3s-my0BeSk4jNVlrQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 I've uploaded a brief aircheck from WNMB made this morning. It's from=20 an SRF a-100. I did this from home (about 15 miles from the=20 transmitter and antennas) and the Sony was sitting near my computer. I=20 only had a short audio cable, so you may hear just a little of the=20 computer noise in the background, but you can hear the separation and=20 fidelity which comes from the Sony. Later today, at the station, I'll do a better one using a Carver TX 11a. The audio chain here is a stereo console to a stereo generator, then to=20 armstrong composite stl (trans to receiver). Next is the Optimod 9100B=20 and then the Harris Transmitter. We are running close to 100% on negative peaks and close to 120%=20 positive peaks at all of 500 watts. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Mar 23 08:23:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81524 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2006 16:22:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2006 16:22:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.78) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2006 16:22:55 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 08:22:50 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.41 by BAY106-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:22:48 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:22:49 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Mar 2006 16:22:50.0580 (UTC) FILETIME=[07936940:01C64E96] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.78 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WNMB aircheck using Sony SRF a-100 loaded to file section X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=zwbby8v5wJ-NQzE5Z0uWR24JmsdSMG2iEes2EEao8BFp6JYfYPr3FpCUMT8 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Bill, for all your trouble, both at the radio station and keeping it going and providing the air checks, as well as the stream. I love the stream and your website. I don't know if I'll ever make it that far north any time soon, but if I do, I'll be sure to drop by and of course, to listen, listen, listen. Donn Tillman, St Petersburg,Fl -----Original Message----- From: Bill Norman Sent: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 07:48:38 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} WNMB aircheck using Sony SRF a-100 loaded to file section I've uploaded a brief aircheck from WNMB made this morning. It's from an SRF a-100. I did this from home (about 15 miles from the transmitter and antennas) and the Sony was sitting near my computer. I only had a short audio cable, so you may hear just a little of the computer noise in the background, but you can hear the separation and fidelity which comes from the Sony. Later today, at the station, I'll do a better one using a Carver TX 11a. The audio chain here is a stereo console to a stereo generator, then to armstrong composite stl (trans to receiver). Next is the Optimod 9100B and then the Harris Transmitter. We are running close to 100% on negative peaks and close to 120% positive peaks at all of 500 watts. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Mar 23 08:32:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80006 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2006 16:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2006 16:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2006 16:32:45 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-194-40.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.194.40] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FMSjk-0006DS-00; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:32:37 -0500 Message-ID: <013701c64e97$641a6f00$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: "Hairston, Watt" , "Kulick, Chris" Cc: , References: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:28:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: Air Castle of the South Article X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=opX0gXmsyb_rd5aHYgX0LCrP5PwvehDtUA16RrfPyoPhpdoJwjh6Ql6DsoMIMg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Thank you for the link on the WSM tower. I have been a BIG fan of AM radio since I was old enough to turn on a radio. When I was a kid, I would be at my Great Grandparents house in South Carolina on Saturday evening. Just after the Sun went down, the TV would turn off and my Great Grandpa would turn on his old Atwater-Kent console radio, and we would all sit around eating popcorn and listening to the Opry. My worst fear is WSM will become just another News-Talker one day, like all of the other Clears did. When I was about 5 years old, My mother would take coffee and doughnuts to the Saturday Morning DJ on the local station and I would sit in his lap and run the board while he ate his breakfast. I was the envy of the 1st grade when I was on the air Saturday mornings! Later I was the Chief Engineer and evening DJ of that same station, and built the new studio and on-site transmitter plant. The owner of the station was going to have the crew that did WBT's new Dual-Cantilevers to build a Diamond to replace the badly rusted Utility 150' stick, but the station sold and went automated talk. It is still on the air with the old tower that is rusting from the inside out. I am now just doing voice work, but miss working at a station. I do have a couple of Part 15 rigs on the air. I have played with the Dual-Cantilever diamond antenna for CB and other CBers said it sounded better than my commercial antenna did. I also played with making a mini-diamond out of copper water pipe for my part 15 station on 1620. The antenna is much easier to tune than just a whip. I need to get off my duff and get a HAM ticket. I have the PERFECT "boat anchor", a RCA BTA1R that is just begging to get back on the air. Regards, Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hairston, Watt" To: "Possum Hunter" ; "Kulick, Chris" Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: RE: Air Castle of the South Article > You are factually correct. Mr. Lawson was referring to a specific design > in Blaw-Knox. Where all these are Blaw-Knox and Dual-Cantiliver type > towers, only two of the 800 foot classes remain or the eight-wire guy > system. The WPHT BK was a four wire and was replaced some years ago > probably for the same reason the WLW and WSM towers were shortened. There > was a 1000 foot manufactured but it is unclear as to its final location or > if it was ever errected at all. These antennas we out of favor in the > middle to late 1930's and BK went to a linear design. > I am sorry, but WSM does not have any plans to return to broadcasting in > stereo over AM. > > Best regards, > > Watt Hairston > WSM-AM Radio > > -----Original Message----- > From: Possum Hunter [mailto:possumhunter@peoplepc.com] > Sent: Wed 3/22/2006 6:16 PM > To: Hairston, Watt; Kulick, Chris > Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; amradiodx@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Air Castle of the South Article > > > Today I was looking at the article "Air Castle of the South" on your web > page > http://www.wsmonline.com/page.asp?Page=68 > > > I noticed a big error about the Blaw-Knox Diamond tower. The article > states "There is only one other tower in the world with the same design. > The "other" tower can be found in Mason, Ohio at the home of Cincinnati's > premier radio station, WLW." > > WBT AM 1110 in Charlotte, NC has THREE Blaw-Knox Diamonds, each of them > are 428' high. The center tower is the original from the 1933 power > increase to 50,000 Watts, but the end towers were blown down by Hurricane > Hugo and replaced by two brand new Diamonds in 1989. This means WBT has > the newest Blaw-Knox Diamonds on the air! > > WFEA AM 1370 Manchester, NH has a 350' Blaw-Knox Diamond that was built in > October of 1931, making it the oldest, and shortest Diamond still on the > air. > > WBNS AM 1460 in Columbus, OH still uses a 380' Blaw-Knox Diamond for it's > Daytime 5KW signal > > As far as I know, WPHT AM 1210 Philadelphia, PA is still using the old > WCAU Blaw-Knox Diamond built for the 1933 Power increase to 50,000 Watts. > > WHO in Des Moines had a diamond until the late 1940's, when it was > replaced at the same site by the existing uniform cross-section tower. The > bottom two-thirds of the old WHO tower was moved to the rear of an Iowa > State Police station in Des Moines for use as a communications tower. It > is still in use today. > > The WNEW / WADO Diamond was replaced with a self supporter in 1999 for the > 5,000 Watt to 50,000 power increase. > > I sure do miss listening to the Grand ol' Opry and the Friday Night Opry > in Stereo. I do wish WSM would consider broadcasting in C-QUAM analog AM > Stereo at night, since the FCC will not allow HD-Radio past Sunset. Even > if WSM was allowed to broadcast in digital at night, DX reception here in > Florida would be impossible. Yes, I know I can listen to WSM on XM, but I > am a bit old fashioned, I still think Radio should be FREE, as it was when > my Great Grandpa listened to the Opry on his old Atwater-Kent Console > radio. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Thu Mar 23 09:14:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28841 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2006 17:14:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2006 17:14:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2.freeserve.com) (193.252.22.157) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2006 17:14:52 -0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3113.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 17D005C00084 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:14:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk (user-5673.lns3-c12.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.70.86.41]) by mwinf3113.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4D87E5C00085 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:14:39 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20060323171439317.4D87E5C00085@mwinf3113.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:13:14 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-Originating-IP: 193.252.22.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: Blaw-Knox X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669; y=liNrBtdKwFw4Bd1ebx4MbypGtogsiCEE6o9w3YV7LfxzStvigsheQlE3 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Kevin, We have our own in the UK: http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/lisnagarvey.asp Top quarter taken off some years ago when this BBC site changed frequency. -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Mar 23 10:45:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23107 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2006 18:45:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2006 18:45:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.80) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2006 18:45:41 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:45:40 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.42 by BAY106-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:45:35 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:45:35 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Mar 2006 18:45:40.0729 (UTC) FILETIME=[FBC85E90:01C64EA9] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.80 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Air Castle of the South Article X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=F7DM5QVOKADvrKQ4omqoHjeDvq2CRQfOlf2wNsMuufmznFBD3-FXDurZWEE X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, deep in the Ocala National Forest wrote: >My worst fear is WSM will become just >another News-Talker one day, like all >of the other Clears did. There was word in either late 2002 or early to mid 2003 that WSM was going to dump the current format (and of course, the rumor was that it would go talk); there was such an avalanche of letters, emails, phone calls etc, that they backed off. Myself and one other person I knew wondered if they were really going to change or if that was just a publicity stunt to draw attention to their programming. Either way, the music has stayed, even though management regressed the sound to mono. (somehow they did a spin on that indicating that going from stereo to mono was progress. Donn who can sometimes pick up WSM at night. (if the strong signal of the Cuban station at 640 isn't bleeding into it) -----Original Message----- From: Possum Hunter Sent: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 08:28:57 -0800 To: Hairston, Watt, Kulick, Chris Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amradiodx@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Air Castle of the South Article Thank you for the link on the WSM tower. I have been a BIG fan of AM radio since I was old enough to turn on a radio. When I was a kid, I would be at my Great Grandparents house in South Carolina on Saturday evening. Just after the Sun went down, the TV would turn off and my Great Grandpa would turn on his old Atwater-Kent console radio, and we would all sit around eating popcorn and listening to the Opry. My worst fear is WSM will become just another News-Talker one day, like all of the other Clears did. When I was about 5 years old, My mother would take coffee and doughnuts to the Saturday Morning DJ on the local station and I would sit in his lap and run the board while he ate his breakfast. I was the envy of the 1st grade when I was on the air Saturday mornings! Later I was the Chief Engineer and evening DJ of that same station, and built the new studio and on-site transmitter plant. The owner of the station was going to have the crew that did WBT's new Dual-Cantilevers to build a Diamond to replace the badly rusted Utility 150' stick, but the station sold and went automated talk. It is still on the air with the old tower that is rusting from the inside out. I am now just doing voice work, but miss working at a station. I do have a couple of Part 15 rigs on the air. I have played with the Dual-Cantilever diamond antenna for CB and other CBers said it sounded better than my commercial antenna did. I also played with making a mini-diamond out of copper water pipe for my part 15 station on 1620. The antenna is much easier to tune than just a whip. I need to get off my duff and get a HAM ticket. I have the PERFECT "boat anchor", a RCA BTA1R that is just begging to get back on the air. Regards, Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hairston, Watt" To: "Possum Hunter" ; "Kulick, Chris" Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: RE: Air Castle of the South Article > You are factually correct. Mr. Lawson was referring to a specific design > in Blaw-Knox. Where all these are Blaw-Knox and Dual-Cantiliver type > towers, only two of the 800 foot classes remain or the eight-wire guy > system. The WPHT BK was a four wire and was replaced some years ago > probably for the same reason the WLW and WSM towers were shortened. There > was a 1000 foot manufactured but it is unclear as to its final location or > if it was ever errected at all. These antennas we out of favor in the > middle to late 1930's and BK went to a linear design. > I am sorry, but WSM does not have any plans to return to broadcasting in > stereo over AM. > > Best regards, > > Watt Hairston > WSM-AM Radio > > -----Original Message----- > From: Possum Hunter [mailto:possumhunter@peoplepc.com] > Sent: Wed 3/22/2006 6:16 PM > To: Hairston, Watt; Kulick, Chris > Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; amradiodx@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Air Castle of the South Article > > > Today I was looking at the article "Air Castle of the South" on your web > page > http://www.wsmonline.com/page.asp?Page=68 > > > I noticed a big error about the Blaw-Knox Diamond tower. The article > states "There is only one other tower in the world with the same design. > The "other" tower can be found in Mason, Ohio at the home of Cincinnati's > premier radio station, WLW." > > WBT AM 1110 in Charlotte, NC has THREE Blaw-Knox Diamonds, each of them > are 428' high. The center tower is the original from the 1933 power > increase to 50,000 Watts, but the end towers were blown down by Hurricane > Hugo and replaced by two brand new Diamonds in 1989. This means WBT has > the newest Blaw-Knox Diamonds on the air! > > WFEA AM 1370 Manchester, NH has a 350' Blaw-Knox Diamond that was built in > October of 1931, making it the oldest, and shortest Diamond still on the > air. > > WBNS AM 1460 in Columbus, OH still uses a 380' Blaw-Knox Diamond for it's > Daytime 5KW signal > > As far as I know, WPHT AM 1210 Philadelphia, PA is still using the old > WCAU Blaw-Knox Diamond built for the 1933 Power increase to 50,000 Watts. > > WHO in Des Moines had a diamond until the late 1940's, when it was > replaced at the same site by the existing uniform cross-section tower. The > bottom two-thirds of the old WHO tower was moved to the rear of an Iowa > State Police station in Des Moines for use as a communications tower. It > is still in use today. > > The WNEW / WADO Diamond was replaced with a self supporter in 1999 for the > 5,000 Watt to 50,000 power increase. > > I sure do miss listening to the Grand ol' Opry and the Friday Night Opry > in Stereo. I do wish WSM would consider broadcasting in C-QUAM analog AM > Stereo at night, since the FCC will not allow HD-Radio past Sunset. Even > if WSM was allowed to broadcast in digital at night, DX reception here in > Florida would be impossible. Yes, I know I can listen to WSM on XM, but I > am a bit old fashioned, I still think Radio should be FREE, as it was when > my Great Grandpa listened to the Opry on his old Atwater-Kent Console > radio. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Mar 23 11:54:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63600 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2006 19:54:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2006 19:54:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2006 19:54:45 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-194-40.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.194.40] helo=PossumHunter) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FMVpj-0001kW-00; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:51:00 -0500 Message-ID: <029b01c64eb3$1abd8ba0$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: Cc: References: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:50:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Air Castle of the South Article X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=Gs6xofEWTFt3i6g7IHlgFfO_gKMuMHNFqdu3d_M10nKDPcGuysp03SdXATccjA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Donn Tillman wrote: > There was word in either late 2002 or early to mid 2003 that WSM was going > to dump the current format (and of course, the rumor was that it would go > talk); WSM is a rare radio station indeed to have the same format after all of these years! It is nice to know I can always hear the Opry on Saturday night when I tune to 650. I used to LOVE to listen to the music on WOWO, WABC, WLS, WHAS, WLAC, WCFL, WCKY, and a whole dial full of great radio stations at night. Radio stations would only let the very BEST talent on the air for their nation-wide nighttime signals. Today, all but one is a network News-Talker. WSM stands alone as the only US Clear I can hear music on. I cannot get ANY Canadians here, and the only English speaking non-US station is ZNS 1540. ZNS reminds me of the old local Full Service stations that have all but gone away. > > Myself and one other person I knew wondered if they were really going to > change or if that was just a publicity stunt to draw attention to their > programming. It is hard to say. A few years back, WLS was rumored to be dumping the News-Talk format and going back to the old County format they had back in the days of Prairie Farmer Radio. I would have LOVED to hear them re-start the National Barn Dance! Too bad it never happened. > > Either way, the music has stayed, even though management regressed the > sound to mono. (somehow they did a spin on that indicating that going from > stereo to mono was progress. They claim to have removed the C-QUAM signal to convert to HD-Radio, but WSM still is not listed on the HD-Radio website http://www.ibiquity.com/cgi-bin/liststations?state=TN&go=Go%21 > > who can sometimes pick up WSM at night. (if the strong signal of the Cuban > station at 640 isn't bleeding into it) I can get WSM most nights IF Castro does not have the big transmitter fired up on 640 and the thunderstorms are not too bad. In South Carolina, WSM sounded like a local at night. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Thu Mar 23 12:25:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40610 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2006 20:25:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2006 20:25:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2006 20:25:24 -0000 Received: from [4.247.126.254] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FMWMz-00032Y-TJ for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:25:22 -0500 Message-ID: <380-220063423202530593@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.116.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:25:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc1437121b539a455190be688f4cab0880350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Air Castle of the South Article X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=Hhd9CfPiuPIojL18Hd6AU0dA91AOQ5eJ6AIWuQMO7UHnmg Yes, radio was great in those days. I used to listen to WCKY here in Tampa over the car radio, and a number of the other stations you mentioned. Several years ago, I was lucky to be able to purchase a couple of cassette tapes of the National Barn Dance - I was glad to find them. Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Possum Hunter > To: > Cc: > Date: 3/23/2006 2:54:47 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Air Castle of the South Article > > Donn Tillman wrote: > > There was word in either late 2002 or early to mid 2003 that WSM was going > > to dump the current format (and of course, the rumor was that it would go > > talk); > > WSM is a rare radio station indeed to have the same format after all of > these years! It is nice to know I can always hear the Opry on Saturday night > when I tune to 650. I used to LOVE to listen to the music on WOWO, WABC, > WLS, WHAS, WLAC, WCFL, WCKY, and a whole dial full of great radio stations > at night. Radio stations would only let the very BEST talent on the air for > their nation-wide nighttime signals. Today, all but one is a network > News-Talker. WSM stands alone as the only US Clear I can hear music on. I > cannot get ANY Canadians here, and the only English speaking non-US station > is ZNS 1540. ZNS reminds me of the old local Full Service stations that have > all but gone away. > > > > Myself and one other person I knew wondered if they were really going to > > change or if that was just a publicity stunt to draw attention to their > > programming. > > It is hard to say. A few years back, WLS was rumored to be dumping the > News-Talk format and going back to the old County format they had back in > the days of Prairie Farmer Radio. I would have LOVED to hear them re-start > the National Barn Dance! Too bad it never happened. > > > > Either way, the music has stayed, even though management regressed the > > sound to mono. (somehow they did a spin on that indicating that going from > > stereo to mono was progress. > > They claim to have removed the C-QUAM signal to convert to HD-Radio, but WSM > still is not listed on the HD-Radio website > http://www.ibiquity.com/cgi-bin/liststations?state=TN&go=Go%21 > > > > who can sometimes pick up WSM at night. (if the strong signal of the Cuban > > station at 640 isn't bleeding into it) > > I can get WSM most nights IF Castro does not have the big transmitter fired > up on 640 and the thunderstorms are not too bad. In South Carolina, WSM > sounded like a local at night. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Mar 23 13:47:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29516 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2006 21:47:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2006 21:47:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2006 21:47:48 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-194-40.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.194.40] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FMXel-0003Qo-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:47:47 -0500 Message-ID: <02ff01c64ec3$6ba284c0$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:47:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: [amradiodx] Re: Air Castle of the South Article X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=mxaMJ2_-nwMatBjsZpGihQa0Hex-Dy-qIavbj8bK8MTK7iCNj2FmEaiRYsf9OA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable internet-terminal zz4 wrote: > In AM days seems every area had their favorite station as to rock/country= and it might have been a 5kw'er. But if I could bring back only one radio station, it would be 1190 WOWO. >=20 >Clear channels often catered to 'truckers' and I can recall many of such. = WWVA 1170 now religious? Yup, WLW, WBAP, WWL, KRVN, WWVA, WWKB, and for a while, WLAC all had truck= er shows all night long. My favorite trucker DJ was the WWL Road Gang's "Ho= nest" John Parker, the used car salesman. I loved "Country Music The Way It= used To Was" on WWL. >=20 >=20 > Some of my favorites was XETRA 1570 accross from El Paso. XETRA is the Border Blaster on 690 in Tijuanna, It was the first Kahn ISB A= M Stereo station. Today XETRA is only 50,000 Watts. 1570 was XERF Ciudad Acu=F1a, across the river from Del Rio, TX. XERF was t= he most famous of the Border Blasters and XERF owned the world. From its hi= gh-gain antenna, it blasted its way north, right through Canada, all the wa= y over the Pole, and into Russia with a clear signal. For many years, the N= KVD/KGB spy school used it for English practice. XERF was where Wolfman jac= k got his start and was later used by Bill Mack for his all night trucker s= how. XERF's transmitter was built by the same RCA engineers that built the = 500KW rig for WLW. But XERF was MUCH stonger. While rated at 500KW, it woul= d put a little over 1 Megawatt of power to the input of the antenna! It was= XERF that ZZ-Top and Wall Of Voodoo sang songs about. Across the creek from El Paso is 800 XEROK Ciudad Ju=E1rez, Chihuahua, "X-R= ock 80, The Sun City Rocker" was licensed for 250 KW, but only had a 150 KW= transmitter. In recent years, the plant has fell into decay and has been b= roadcasting with as little as 500 Watts. Recently, the station has been lic= ensed to try Ibiquity's "H.D. Radio" digital transmission system as it atte= mpts to start broadcasting at its full licensed power level instead of on l= ower power. > > I get the idea AM stations don't care about their antennas anymore. 610 i= n Torrington,Ct. Good Frequency but even driving through the place it sound= s like 50 watts. It is amazing how poor some AM stations keep their plant. Yes it does cost = money to keep the plant up, but you loose listeners and advertisers when th= ey cant hear the signal. >=20 > As to stereo I guess they don't care about how they sound. They have made it very clear they don't care how bad they sound to an analo= g radio.=20 >=20 > Car radios generally good but the whole population using $5.99 chinese ra= dios to listen to AM? If they are listening to the radio at all! Today's youth are all listening = to iPods and swapping music files online. FM is boring and AM for the most = part is all talk. Radio Disney is the ONLY thing attracting a few kids to A= M radio. When they out-grow Disney, they go to podcasts. My step-son does L= OVE to listen to ZNS with me, Now he wants to go to the bahamas and take th= e "Nickel tour" of ZNS! >=20 > I've got to dislike FM around these parts. One end of the dial to the ot= her ads ads ads ads constant. Then if any music/talk they tape it last year= ? Try finding the time or weather..good luck.... It is the same here. Cookie Cutter automated music and boring or filthy tal= k on FMs At least we have a few local AMs that are live and local playing = music. > > I still often pick up that Miami station on 560 here. Sometimes WQAM forgets to power down to the nighttime 1KW.=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Mar 23 14:07:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46309 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2006 22:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2006 22:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s12.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.84) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2006 22:07:43 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.246.126]) by bay0-omc1-s12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:07:43 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:07:43 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.43 by BAY106-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:07:38 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:07:38 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Mar 2006 22:07:43.0530 (UTC) FILETIME=[358900A0:01C64EC6] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.84 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: ZNS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=_M525KP1_h8z2rfdY_eBmSOBW1RtYZEU4k2XqmvD5_k_5-P7_Y-eOEzE5xk X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, I don't know if you can pick it up that far inland, but along the coast from at least Vero Beach south to Deerfield Beach, ZNS has a better signal on 810 A.M.; they are extremely live and local, giving local obituaries etc on the air, since many of the out islands in the northern Bahmamas don't have daily newspaper delivieries (some of those islands are pretty isolated); so there is concentrated local news, but then they also have time for some good music programs as well. Donn St Petersburg (who can not pick up ZNS at 810 or 1540 due to locals on Spanish language on 820 and 1550) -----Original Message----- From: Possum Hunter Sent: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:50:57 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amradiodx@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Air Castle of the South Article Donn Tillman wrote: > There was word in either late 2002 or early to mid 2003 that WSM was going > to dump the current format (and of course, the rumor was that it would go > talk); WSM is a rare radio station indeed to have the same format after all of these years! It is nice to know I can always hear the Opry on Saturday night when I tune to 650. I used to LOVE to listen to the music on WOWO, WABC, WLS, WHAS, WLAC, WCFL, WCKY, and a whole dial full of great radio stations at night. Radio stations would only let the very BEST talent on the air for their nation-wide nighttime signals. Today, all but one is a network News-Talker. WSM stands alone as the only US Clear I can hear music on. I cannot get ANY Canadians here, and the only English speaking non-US station is ZNS 1540. ZNS reminds me of the old local Full Service stations that have all but gone away. > > Myself and one other person I knew wondered if they were really going to > change or if that was just a publicity stunt to draw attention to their > programming. It is hard to say. A few years back, WLS was rumored to be dumping the News-Talk format and going back to the old County format they had back in the days of Prairie Farmer Radio. I would have LOVED to hear them re-start the National Barn Dance! Too bad it never happened. > > Either way, the music has stayed, even though management regressed the > sound to mono. (somehow they did a spin on that indicating that going from > stereo to mono was progress. They claim to have removed the C-QUAM signal to convert to HD-Radio, but WSM still is not listed on the HD-Radio website http://www.ibiquity.com/cgi-bin/liststations?state=TN&go=Go%21 > > who can sometimes pick up WSM at night. (if the strong signal of the Cuban > station at 640 isn't bleeding into it) I can get WSM most nights IF Castro does not have the big transmitter fired up on 640 and the thunderstorms are not too bad. In South Carolina, WSM sounded like a local at night. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Mar 23 18:04:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+jf9S+1+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81994 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2006 02:04:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2006 02:04:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2006 02:04:43 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.57]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 66549754 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:04:30 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c64ee7$4ee54ce0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <02ff01c64ec3$6ba284c0$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:04:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 1, in=3, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.57 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [amradiodx] Re: Air Castle of the South Article X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=BSRzkngck_3XN4J5DgvFNVwRUjOssGm0eC7txmSdcrWPqMKRkkhZ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I miss hearing the Mexican stations. With only a few exceptions they're all required to power down to 50kW at night now. I used to like listening to XEG- La Ranchera de Monterrey. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" 1570 was XERF Ciudad Acuña, across the river from Del Rio, TX. XERF was the most famous of the Border Blasters and XERF owned the world. From its high-gain antenna, it blasted its way north, right through Canada, all the way over the Pole, and into Russia with a clear signal. For many years, the NKVD/KGB spy school used it for English practice. XERF was where Wolfman jack got his start and was later used by Bill Mack for his all night trucker show. XERF's transmitter was built by the same RCA engineers that built the 500KW rig for WLW. But XERF was MUCH stonger. While rated at 500KW, it would put a little over 1 Megawatt of power to the input of the antenna! It was XERF that ZZ-Top and Wall Of Voodoo sang songs about. From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Mar 24 01:37:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29771 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2006 09:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2006 09:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.176.248) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2006 09:37:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 99835 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Mar 2006 09:36:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20060324093625.99833.qmail@web25815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.159.125.231] by web25815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 01:36:25 PST Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 01:36:25 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002701c64ee7$4ee54ce0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.176.248 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [amradiodx] Re: Air Castle of the South Article X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=weCT-quZzSFO5M72nUQ2dmcXfSo-x_HKJiTR9gqrXj_gkOUqZjQg X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Who the heck wants to listen to mexicans, they are taking over our country. Come to the upstate of South Carolina where they've taken over several AM radio stations and some FM. It's horrible. I was in circuit city the other night and they had all their radioas tuned to mexican stations. I guess they are serving a different segment of society now. It was a shock to walk in the stereo section and hear all that. -Kevin --- Scott Todd wrote: --------------------------------- I miss hearing the Mexican stations. With only a few exceptions they're all required to power down to 50kW at night now. I used to like listening to XEG- La Ranchera de Monterrey. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" 1570 was XERF Ciudad Acuña, across the river from Del Rio, TX. XERF was the most famous of the Border Blasters and XERF owned the world. From its high-gain antenna, it blasted its way north, right through Canada, all the way over the Pole, and into Russia with a clear signal. For many years, the NKVD/KGB spy school used it for English practice. XERF was where Wolfman jack got his start and was later used by Bill Mack for his all night trucker show. XERF's transmitter was built by the same RCA engineers that built the 500KW rig for WLW. But XERF was MUCH stonger. While rated at 500KW, it would put a little over 1 Megawatt of power to the input of the antenna! It was XERF that ZZ-Top and Wall Of Voodoo sang songs about. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 24 03:05:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13953 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2006 11:05:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2006 11:05:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.210) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2006 11:05:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 94859 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2006 11:04:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jim1db32qamp61) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@71.142.233.214 with login) by smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2006 11:04:56 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01bf54f3$4183dc50$d50bfea9@jim1db32qamp61> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 23:30:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: WSM AM 650 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=Rk6N2leMyv6ky2Hp7Lq_2N-2RR-aWHX8Zm3g6beSEPanUEiDfNc1yS4qzKIiMznAWp9wDMqz X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Had got to talk with the engineer once at WSM's web site and he said that thay will not go IBOC and thay will not go back to AM STEREO ether. The only way that the AM STEREO would to go back on is if there was a high demaned for it the Nashville Tn area. Back to California. KCBC AM 770 is now for sure in am mono. So that was the last one i could get for day time lissenig. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Mar 24 07:38:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18389 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2006 15:38:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2006 15:38:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2006 15:38:45 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-194-40.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.194.40] helo=PossumHunter) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FMoMl-0005kB-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:38:19 -0500 Message-ID: <00f901c64f58$f7960c00$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060324093625.99833.qmail@web25815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:38:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [amradiodx] Re: Air Castle of the South Article X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=mvV4bfhkNYMA_7dwEURI6dhy1CK4xHQKPrKI_6LeGBT2zNRFe433bM2SUFKElQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: > Who the heck wants to listen to mexicans, they are taking over our > country. Come to the upstate of South Carolina where they've taken over > several AM radio stations and some FM. It's horrible. Ah but you do not understand. What we are talking about is just the opposite of your compalint. Instead of Mexicans programming American stations like WOLI, WOLT, WDAB, and WGVL, We are talking about Americans programming Super High Power stations that are just inside Mexico with English programming aimed at North America. The Border Blasters were a real hoot to listen to with everything from Texas preachers drawling out the Gospel and selling prayer cloths to heal you, to snake oil salesmen selling all sorts of quack cures, to all-night truckers shows to kick-ass Rock-N-Roll radio! The Border Blasters were a way Americans could broadcast without having to obey the FCC rules. While many of these Border Blasters did, and STILL DO violate Mexican rules and regulations, the Mexican government doesn't seem to care! Most of the Border Blasters are licensed for 150KW to 250 KW, but some such as XERF in Ciudad Acuña ran as much as 1 Million Watts. Most of the Border Blaster station have fell on hard times now and can no longer afford to broadcast at such high power levels. XETRA is the only one that I know is still healthy and can be heard up the California coast. I am looking forward to XEROK returning to full power. I used to listen to "X-Rock 80, The Sun City Rocker" When the transmitter died, I could then hear CKLW. Now 800 is just a log jam of noise. To give you some idea of just how strong XETRA's signal was at full power, You could not hear WEAB (Now WPJM) on Wade Hampton Blvd at SR 14 during the mornings and evenings. In fact, you could read XEROK's modulation on WEAB's Mod Monitor before sign on! I wish ZNS would crank up the power as a "Border Blaster" It is the only interesting AM station I can get at night! Here in Florida, not only do you have the American station in Spanish, you have all of the High-Power Cuban stations on the AM band. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Mar 24 08:06:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68845 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2006 16:06:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2006 16:06:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2006 16:06:23 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-194-40.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.194.40] helo=PossumHunter) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FMonV-0001A7-00; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:05:58 -0500 Message-ID: <018e01c64f5c$d45bf660$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: , References: Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:05:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} ZNS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=jVPFN27AqqOwQlmpe6V7fzYlf27d8Vc2BrNEZEvU-ZatYMBTLjq950whCrZ8eQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Donn Tillman wrote: > Kevin, I don't know if you can pick it up that far inland, but along the > coast from at least Vero Beach south to Deerfield Beach, ZNS has a better > signal on 810 810 is the Freeport transmitter. I can get it closer to the coast. I can tell it is there, but it is right at the noise floor at my location. At night 810 is a lost cause. 1540 has a decent signal here at night, and sometimes makes it here in the day. I am building a bigger loop. I will try 810 again with it. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From wnmb@sc.rr.com Fri Mar 24 10:19:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16847 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2006 18:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2006 18:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2006 18:19:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2006 18:18:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2006 18:18:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:18:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01bf54f3$4183dc50$d50bfea9@jim1db32qamp61> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.211.44.209 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: Re: WSM AM 650 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=2zp3WTV_ILg1FwKG-vXeDckYwhDvlEtFT1umaq1_IIpSAQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Someone at WSM might be made aware the best way to have a demand for=20 AM Stereo is to be broadcasting it! And promoting it! This note=20 about them not returning unless there is a high demand for it is=20 like me waiting for a phone call from Michelle Pfeiffer! It isn't=20 going to happen unless I make her aware that I exist and there's a=20 reason to call!!!=20 What's the matter with some of these radio stations? Bill - -- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang Had got to talk with the engineer once at WSM's web=20 site and he said that thay will not go IBOC and thay will not go=20 back to AM STEREO ether. The only way that the AM STEREO would=20 to go back on is if there was a high demaned for it the Nashville Tn=20 area. Back to California. KCBC AM 770 is now for sure in am=20 mono. So that was the last one i could get for day time lissenig.=20=20=20 Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Mar 24 10:24:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91174 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2006 18:24:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2006 18:24:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2006 18:24:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 51541 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Mar 2006 18:23:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20060324182347.51539.qmail@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:23:47 PST Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:23:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1143222452.597.82918.m17@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: WSM-Stereo AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=F5ARGhmBIEz7-NV7aDOxwKwSIiEA1VwseU6IBeapciY5d3v1YjFagBc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I wish WSM would fire-up the CQuam on just Saturday nights to give the Grand Ole Opry fans something to hear in stereo over the miles. That's all - 4 hours Saturday nights - not asking for much; too bad they won't accomodate us. Is it true that Sirius does NOT run a verbatim WSM simulcast anymore? Is it in stereo? It is just prerecorded junk now? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Mar 24 10:45:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11683 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2006 18:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2006 18:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2006 18:45:01 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-194-40.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.194.40] helo=PossumHunter) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FMrDn-0003NE-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:41:15 -0500 Message-ID: <021d01c64f72$85ccb7d0$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:41:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WSM AM 650 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=j2KRYon6LQKUyJdKWzpPHYvmpv5JRFToSJb74t1SbWtclPnJBsN-WTO_S5iIbg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Bill Norman wrote: > Someone at WSM might be made aware the best way to have a demand for AM > Stereo is to be broadcasting it! And promoting it! Very true. Most people are not even aware of AM Stereo until they in the car and surfing the dial then...WOW! The music jumps right out of the dash! Most car radios blend the FM so much, they really are Mono with a Stereo light. When people hear C-QUAM with it's ultra-wide stereo seperation with fidelity exceeding audio tapes, they are shocked. > > What's the matter with some of these radio stations? It is sad but, 99% of radio station owners just are not as dedicated as the ownership of WNMB. They pinch pennies and scrape by instead of investing in their plant or programming. WNMB is living proof that even a very small AM can be successful if the owners care about their audience enough to provide them with good programming and a high fidelity signal. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Mar 24 10:46:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11241 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2006 18:46:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2006 18:46:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2006 18:46:32 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-194-40.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.194.40] helo=PossumHunter) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FMrI3-0003wB-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:45:40 -0500 Message-ID: <023601c64f73$238e4ec0$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060324182347.51539.qmail@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:45:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WSM-Stereo AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=TkvHoE-NLtOXfzXxMTctXjqUt7xHbDG7sltkpuluZ2clnsWsLfxs7ODdHCpfYg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 John P. wrote: >I wish WSM would fire-up the CQuam on just Saturday nights to give the >Grand Ole Opry fans something to hear in stereo over the miles. That's >all - 4 hours Saturday nights - not asking for much; too bad they won't >accomodate us. The best thing you can do is write and tell them. WSM depends on listeners to sell to their advertisers. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Mar 24 11:56:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39663 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2006 19:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2006 19:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.84) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2006 19:56:04 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:56:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.44 by BAY106-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:55:55 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:55:55 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2006 19:56:00.0366 (UTC) FILETIME=[F94BA0E0:01C64F7C] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.84 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WSM AM 650 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=PZ2VvkA_N8OdptltlgxXJJcEOi4kjPKSKAtfFEDaOjz-V9nTH4GaGxo8CuA X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I for one, want to know what's wrong with Michelle Pfeiffer for not calling you, Bill !! :) Maybe we need to send her a petition! Last night, I was north of here and a bit inland, where 640 from Cuba wasn't bleeding over to 650 and I did get a good mono signal from them. If I recall, one of their invalid reasons for turning off the stereo was that the stereo decreased their coverage area, which even I know is Urban Legend 101. I know when they were in stereo, I seemed to get them just as well or even better here and although I'm not a big country music fan, I would listen, just because it sounded so good. Donn 27.761 latitude north -----Original Message----- From: Bill Norman Sent: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:18:28 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: WSM AM 650 Someone at WSM might be made aware the best way to have a demand for AM Stereo is to be broadcasting it! And promoting it! This note about them not returning unless there is a high demand for it is like me waiting for a phone call from Michelle Pfeiffer! It isn't going to happen unless I make her aware that I exist and there's a reason to call!!! What's the matter with some of these radio stations? Bill - -- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang Had got to talk with the engineer once at WSM's web site and he said that thay will not go IBOC and thay will not go back to AM STEREO ether. The only way that the AM STEREO would to go back on is if there was a high demaned for it the Nashville Tn area. Back to California. KCBC AM 770 is now for sure in am mono. So that was the last one i could get for day time lissenig. Jim Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 24 18:46:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22734 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2006 02:46:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2006 02:46:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.225) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2006 02:46:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n5.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2006 02:46:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2006 02:46:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2006 02:46:30 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 02:46:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060324182347.51539.qmail@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.143.44.238 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: WSM-Stereo AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=9GQw_kQUw1cLpbZ1xP0SjICGoWeAvm2BcdblycHci2JGyGIvujuCtbBSKO57ePCdPXm-7SXi X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > I wish WSM would fire-up the CQuam on just Saturday nights to give=20 the Grand > Ole Opry fans something to hear in stereo over the miles. That's=20 all - 4 hours > Saturday nights - not asking for much; too bad they won't=20 accomodate us. >=20 > Is it true that Sirius does NOT run a verbatim WSM simulcast=20 anymore? Is it in > stereo? It is just prerecorded junk now? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com > Hi Tell them !!!! Jim Smith From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Mar 25 00:11:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4850 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2006 08:11:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2006 08:11:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.187) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2006 08:11:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 52855 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Mar 2006 08:10:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20060325081051.52853.qmail@web25802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.159.125.231] by web25802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 00:10:51 PST Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 00:10:51 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00f901c64f58$f7960c00$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [amradiodx] Re: Air Castle of the South Article X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=4PSBtOpbxCsUj9KPXnflWq3SXWoU_8MAfSIN_L8O0iT1rZmbSdCq X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Well Possum we must be neighbours. I am about 3 miles from Wade Hampton BLVD and I definitely know where highway 14 is! I understand what you are saying now. I thought you meant like these mexican stations that we are getting here now. It drives me nuts. Most are here illegally anyways. I think its high time to send them back. I am all for legal immigration but illegally no. -Kevin --- Possum Hunter wrote: --------------------------------- Kevin Bell wrote: > Who the heck wants to listen to mexicans, they are taking over our > country. Come to the upstate of South Carolina where they've taken over > several AM radio stations and some FM. It's horrible. Ah but you do not understand. What we are talking about is just the opposite of your compalint. Instead of Mexicans programming American stations like WOLI, WOLT, WDAB, and WGVL, We are talking about Americans programming Super High Power stations that are just inside Mexico with English programming aimed at North America. The Border Blasters were a real hoot to listen to with everything from Texas preachers drawling out the Gospel and selling prayer cloths to heal you, to snake oil salesmen selling all sorts of quack cures, to all-night truckers shows to kick-ass Rock-N-Roll radio! The Border Blasters were a way Americans could broadcast without having to obey the FCC rules. While many of these Border Blasters did, and STILL DO violate Mexican rules and regulations, the Mexican government doesn't seem to care! Most of the Border Blasters are licensed for 150KW to 250 KW, but some such as XERF in Ciudad Acuña ran as much as 1 Million Watts. Most of the Border Blaster station have fell on hard times now and can no longer afford to broadcast at such high power levels. XETRA is the only one that I know is still healthy and can be heard up the California coast. I am looking forward to XEROK returning to full power. I used to listen to "X-Rock 80, The Sun City Rocker" When the transmitter died, I could then hear CKLW. Now 800 is just a log jam of noise. To give you some idea of just how strong XETRA's signal was at full power, You could not hear WEAB (Now WPJM) on Wade Hampton Blvd at SR 14 during the mornings and evenings. In fact, you could read XEROK's modulation on WEAB's Mod Monitor before sign on! I wish ZNS would crank up the power as a "Border Blaster" It is the only interesting AM station I can get at night! Here in Florida, not only do you have the American station in Spanish, you have all of the High-Power Cuban stations on the AM band. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2006 22:56:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2006 22:56:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 22:56:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.49.98.205 From: "Jack" Subject: Carver TX-11a on ebay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=235489308; y=-IfGrrzGv8oYrD0DJ1ooAWFKLkcTTeu5lQN11P5Wc66AUFHT X-Yahoo-Profile: beefus100 Hi, There is a Carver TX-11a on ebay. I have one here, and it is one=20 beautiful AM stereo receiver. No bids on it yet. BTW, I have no=20 connection with the seller. I have a couple of SRF A300 receivers AM stereo portables, and I am=20 going to see if I can widen the AM response a bit. Maybe change the=20 IF filter and check for audio low pass filtering. Anyone ever see a service manual for this radio? Later, Jack near Cincinnati From brian60420@yahoo.com Sat Mar 25 18:42:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90818 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2006 02:42:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2006 02:42:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2006 02:42:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2006 02:42:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2006 02:42:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 02:42:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <052601c64cdf$d4d16af0$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.47.146.122 From: "brian60420" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS not in Stereo today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275; y=u17Z_8p6x79XwLs8GgvlRZAL2WKx7BeWVSMd4xUoJJt6kfabGA X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 It was back in Stereo the next day. Could have been down for=20 maintenance or testing for HD.=20 brian --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > brian60420 wrote: > >I noticed that WLS in Chicago lost it's stereo signal. >=20 > WLS is listed to switch to HD-Radio >=20 > http://www.ibiquity.com/cgi-bin/liststations?state=3DIL&go=3DGo%21 >=20 > Kevin From brian60420@yahoo.com Sat Mar 25 18:50:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69411 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2006 02:50:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2006 02:50:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2006 02:50:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2006 02:49:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2006 02:49:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 02:49:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.47.146.122 From: "brian60420" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS-Am Stereo will only live at night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275; y=Z9FVgPmRk57Gp9VbbqEWI-OnCMefs2iJdqBa7EHZNsxrckhNng X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 Here's the official reply from WLS ---Warren Shulz, Chief Engineer Hi Brian, You caught me. I had to shutoff the C-Quam Saturday PM on our=20 preferred solid-state transmitter. I did this to eliminate it as a possible source of an intermittent shutdown alarm that has been playing a game=20 of tag with the transmitter since 12/31. We have had random and intermittent shutdowns (11) over the past 3 months. Now that we had a shutdown this morning with the C-Quam stereo generator out of the=20 signal path I can be sure that the signal source from the stereo generator is not the source of the intermittent outages. So at the next visit I=20 will restore the C-QUAM AM stereo generator to the signal path. Today we are on backup Transmitter that is AM stereo. I am pleased to hear you are a believer in AM stereo. When we install the digital IBOC HD AM transmission That will need to be turned off as C-QUAM and IBOC HD cannot share the transmission path at the same=20 time. However, the IBOC HD 36 kbs signal is only allowed on during daylight hours. So my hope is to switch back to AM stereo after sunset.=20=20 You can search internet for HD story. You will need a new radio to=20 hear that signal. Very few are offered by mail order. So far you could hear HD AM on 670, 720, 780, 1200, 1390, and 1690.=20=20 HF FM is a higher count and offers the possibility of a second channel=20 from the same station. This is NOT possible with the AM version. Thanks for listening to WLS and talking a moment to e mail WLS. Its listeners like you that will keep radio alive.=20 Warren Shulz Chief Engineer=20 WLS, From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Mar 25 19:19:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80893 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2006 03:19:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2006 03:19:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.143) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2006 03:19:19 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.246.190]) by bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:19:18 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:19:18 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.43 by BAY106-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 03:19:14 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 03:19:14 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Mar 2006 03:19:18.0452 (UTC) FILETIME=[11673740:01C65084] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS-Am Stereo will only live at night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=ZX4kDUSsEiQUqQcgs1PrpO6-S1yVxHljTz52h0JYZheoFfD_XusWlh33nUQ X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Brian, I'm glad you took the time to write to WLS and what a nice, personal response you received from their Chief Engineer, Warren Shulz. It's encouraging to know that he intends or at least wants to keep the a.m.stereo on at night. I wish I could receive WLS here, but thanks to the weakness of the WLS signal this far away and the strength of a Cuban station , reception of WLS is not possible here. (unless a hurricane knocks the Cuban station off the air, then I can pick up WLS, but not in stereo). Donn St. Petersburg,FL -----Original Message----- From: brian60420 Sent: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:49:37 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS-Am Stereo will only live at night Here's the official reply from WLS ---Warren Shulz, Chief Engineer Hi Brian, You caught me. I had to shutoff the C-Quam Saturday PM on our preferred solid-state transmitter. I did this to eliminate it as a possible source of an intermittent shutdown alarm that has been playing a game of tag with the transmitter since 12/31. We have had random and intermittent shutdowns (11) over the past 3 months. Now that we had a shutdown this morning with the C-Quam stereo generator out of the signal path I can be sure that the signal source from the stereo generator is not the source of the intermittent outages. So at the next visit I will restore the C-QUAM AM stereo generator to the signal path. Today we are on backup Transmitter that is AM stereo. I am pleased to hear you are a believer in AM stereo. When we install the digital IBOC HD AM transmission That will need to be turned off as C-QUAM and IBOC HD cannot share the transmission path at the same time. However, the IBOC HD 36 kbs signal is only allowed on during daylight hours. So my hope is to switch back to AM stereo after sunset. You can search internet for HD story. You will need a new radio to hear that signal. Very few are offered by mail order. So far you could hear HD AM on 670, 720, 780, 1200, 1390, and 1690. HF FM is a higher count and offers the possibility of a second channel from the same station. This is NOT possible with the AM version. Thanks for listening to WLS and talking a moment to e mail WLS. Its listeners like you that will keep radio alive. Warren Shulz Chief Engineer WLS, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Mar 26 02:33:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40306 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2006 10:33:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2006 10:33:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2006 10:33:07 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 02:32:57 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.42 by BAY106-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 10:32:51 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 10:32:51 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Mar 2006 10:32:57.0220 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5CC2440:01C650C0] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Tampa Bay Business Journal: Radio Shack closing four stores in Tampa Bay area - 2006-03-24 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=oVA4Sw9SdUh3NOa2eEuFfVeT8BFZ2hvFayPIzOZcR354TeicTqcT-7SsDhA X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This news of the changing direction of Radio Shack (why they still call themselves Radio Shack, is a mystery to me) won't bode well for what it's to be it's core constituency (people, who wanted to buy radio and accessories and hobbyist). in part the article states: As part of its turnaround, the company plans to divest itself of underperforming and slow-moving inventory and expand into faster-moving categories such as MP3 products, HDTV, satellite radio, BlueTooth technology and digital recording gear, she said. (complete article below:) ________________________ Tampa Bay Business Journal - March 24, 2006 http://tampabay.bizjournals.com/tampabay/stories/2006/03/20/daily69.html Radio Shack closing four stores in Tampa Bay area Tampa Bay Business Journal - 6:01 PM EST Friday by Alexis Muellner Of the 77 company-owned Radio Shack stores in the Tampa Bay area, just four will close, the company said Friday. Of those closing in the region, they include two in Largo, at Walsingham Commons Shopping Center and at Pinellas Shopping Center; one in Tampa, at Carrollwood Center on North Dale Mabry Highway; and one in Sarasota, at Sarasota Pavillions on Tamiami Trail. The company announced Feb. 17 a turnaround plan that it would close between 400 and 770 underperforming stores. "The stores are not closing tomorrow," said Radio Shack spokeswoman Wendy Dominguez. "It's business as usual until May and then we'll begin special sales activity," she said. Part of the plan is to make customers who shop at the impacted stores aware of other store locations, she said. The Fort Worth, Texas-based company is closing stores in an aggressive cost-cutting effort to improve its finances. The company's fourth-quarter earnings dropped 62 percent and chief executive officer David Edmondson resigned last month after it was disclosed that he lied on his resume. Radio Shack also has shuffled senior management in order to help the ailing retailer. Most of closing stores will be emptied by Aug. 1. A large national clearance sale that had been planned before the disclosure of closings will continue as planned April 2, she said. "There's no real connection to store closings other than that all stores are participating," she said. As part of its turnaround, the company plans to divest itself of underperforming and slow-moving inventory and expand into faster-moving categories such as MP3 products, HDTV, satellite radio, BlueTooth technology and digital recording gear, she said. "We're trying to open up more room." RadioShack will transition as many employees as possible from closing stores to others, Dominguez said. With 77 stores in theTampa Bay area, Dominguez said she believes there will be new opportunities for those jobs that are impacted by the closings. The company declined to say which markets were hit hardest, focusing instead on the fact that 480 stores are closing nationally, a volume that hits the low end of the range of closings the company announced in February. http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/stories/2006/03/20/daily69.html?t=printable [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sun Mar 26 05:22:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88089 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2006 13:22:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2006 13:22:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2006 13:22:42 -0000 Received: from [4.247.124.233] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FNVCF-0004n3-Qg for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 08:22:21 -0500 Message-ID: <380-220063026132223662@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.116.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 08:22:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc3700c32188163822f10a860d20f02613350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: RE: {AMSF} Tampa Bay Business Journal: Radio Shack closing four stores in Tampa Bay area- 2006-03-24 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=YL3_kxYY-kxb0pp1iViMR9nojiGfIolptGMlGdeihtMPGg This could be bad news for those of us who have relied on Radio Shack for small hard-to-get electronic items. Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Donn Tillman > To: ; > Date: 3/26/2006 5:33:08 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Tampa Bay Business Journal: Radio Shack closing four stores in Tampa Bay area- 2006-03-24 > > This news of the changing direction of Radio Shack (why they still call themselves Radio Shack, is a mystery to me) won't bode well for what it's to be it's core constituency (people, who wanted to buy radio and accessories and hobbyist). > > in part the article states: > > As part of its turnaround, the company plans to divest itself of underperforming and slow-moving inventory and expand into faster-moving categories such as MP3 products, HDTV, satellite radio, BlueTooth technology and digital recording gear, she said. > > (complete article below:) > ________________________ > Tampa Bay Business Journal - March 24, 2006 > http://tampabay.bizjournals.com/tampabay/stories/2006/03/20/daily69.html > > Radio Shack closing four stores in Tampa Bay area > > Tampa Bay Business Journal - 6:01 PM EST Friday by Alexis Muellner > > Of the 77 company-owned Radio Shack stores in the Tampa Bay area, just four will close, the company said Friday. > > Of those closing in the region, they include two in Largo, at Walsingham Commons Shopping Center and at Pinellas Shopping Center; one in Tampa, at Carrollwood Center on North Dale Mabry Highway; and one in Sarasota, at Sarasota Pavillions on Tamiami Trail. > > The company announced Feb. 17 a turnaround plan that it would close between 400 and 770 underperforming stores. > > "The stores are not closing tomorrow," said Radio Shack spokeswoman Wendy Dominguez. "It's business as usual until May and then we'll begin special sales activity," she said. Part of the plan is to make customers who shop at the impacted stores aware of other store locations, she said. > > The Fort Worth, Texas-based company is closing stores in an aggressive cost-cutting effort to improve its finances. The company's fourth-quarter earnings dropped 62 percent and chief executive officer David Edmondson resigned last month after it was disclosed that he lied on his resume. > > Radio Shack also has shuffled senior management in order to help the ailing retailer. > > Most of closing stores will be emptied by Aug. 1. A large national clearance sale that had been planned before the disclosure of closings will continue as planned April 2, she said. > > "There's no real connection to store closings other than that all stores are participating," she said. > > As part of its turnaround, the company plans to divest itself of underperforming and slow-moving inventory and expand into faster-moving categories such as MP3 products, HDTV, satellite radio, BlueTooth technology and digital recording gear, she said. > > "We're trying to open up more room." > > RadioShack will transition as many employees as possible from closing stores to others, Dominguez said. With 77 stores in theTampa Bay area, Dominguez said she believes there will be new opportunities for those jobs that are impacted by the closings. > > The company declined to say which markets were hit hardest, focusing instead on the fact that 480 stores are closing nationally, a volume that hits the low end of the range of closings the company announced in February. > > http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/stories/2006/03/20/daily69.html?t=printa ble > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Mar 26 07:36:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89122 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2006 15:36:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2006 15:36:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2006 15:36:38 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-194-40.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.194.40] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FNXIB-0005sK-00; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 10:36:35 -0500 Message-ID: <003701c650eb$109dc6f0$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: Cc: References: Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 10:36:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Quality Control Recall for E1XM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=hwyEeTUB3_IDTCfIXmmo1vtVg_b7-61sXdkauhev2q39-1RCRIeobMSey2zvuw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quality Control Recall for E1XM SerialRange 3,067 - 5,462 Dear Customer As you know, the E1XM launched this Fall and garnered substantial int= erest from consumers and the press alike. 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Eton Corporation =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 et=F3n Corporation PR@etoncorp.com (650) 903-3866=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 26 09:10:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66970 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2006 17:10:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2006 17:10:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.206) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2006 17:10:02 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2006 17:08:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2006 17:08:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2006 17:08:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 17:08:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <380-220063026132223662@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.92.139.233 From: "Jeff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tampa Bay Business Journal: Radio Shack closing four stores in Tampa Bay area- 2006-03-24 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=236606698; y=mzZoc7F2reY_pKMGVvE3oxDfQLJnqI6nM8CuPRBw776mpK4JoCwrBQIgmzy58BN1dGw X-Yahoo-Profile: jeff7472000 This might be a good time to stockpile those items not available=20 from other sources. - --=20 In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > This could be bad news for those of us who have relied on Radio=20 Shack for > small hard-to-get electronic items. > Dick W. >=20 >=20 > > [Original Message] > > From: Donn Tillman > > To: ; > > Date: 3/26/2006 5:33:08 AM > > Subject: {AMSF} Tampa Bay Business Journal: Radio Shack closing=20 four > stores in Tampa Bay area- 2006-03-24 > > > > This news of the changing direction of Radio Shack (why they=20 still call > themselves Radio Shack, is a mystery to me) won't bode well for=20 what it's > to be it's core constituency (people, who wanted to buy radio and > accessories and hobbyist). > > > > in part the article states: > > > > As part of its turnaround, the company plans to divest itself of > underperforming and slow-moving inventory and expand into faster- moving > categories such as MP3 products, HDTV, satellite radio, BlueTooth > technology and digital recording gear, she said. > > > > (complete article below:) > > ________________________ > > Tampa Bay Business Journal - March 24, 2006 > >=20 http://tampabay.bizjournals.com/tampabay/stories/2006/03/20/daily69.h tml=20=20 > > > > Radio Shack closing four stores in Tampa Bay area > > > > Tampa Bay Business Journal - 6:01 PM EST Friday by Alexis=20 Muellner > > > > Of the 77 company-owned Radio Shack stores in the Tampa Bay=20 area, just > four will close, the company said Friday.=20 > > > > Of those closing in the region, they include two in Largo, at=20 Walsingham > Commons Shopping Center and at Pinellas Shopping Center; one in=20 Tampa, at > Carrollwood Center on North Dale Mabry Highway; and one in=20 Sarasota, at > Sarasota Pavillions on Tamiami Trail.=20 > > > > The company announced Feb. 17 a turnaround plan that it would=20 close > between 400 and 770 underperforming stores.=20 > > > > "The stores are not closing tomorrow," said Radio Shack=20 spokeswoman Wendy > Dominguez. "It's business as usual until May and then we'll begin=20 special > sales activity," she said. Part of the plan is to make customers=20 who shop > at the impacted stores aware of other store locations, she said.=20 > > > > The Fort Worth, Texas-based company is closing stores in an=20 aggressive > cost-cutting effort to improve its finances. The company's fourth- quarter > earnings dropped 62 percent and chief executive officer David=20 Edmondson > resigned last month after it was disclosed that he lied on his=20 resume.=20 > > > > Radio Shack also has shuffled senior management in order to help=20 the > ailing retailer.=20 > > > > Most of closing stores will be emptied by Aug. 1. A large=20 national > clearance sale that had been planned before the disclosure of=20 closings will > continue as planned April 2, she said.=20 > > > > "There's no real connection to store closings other than that=20 all stores > are participating," she said.=20 > > > > As part of its turnaround, the company plans to divest itself of > underperforming and slow-moving inventory and expand into faster- moving > categories such as MP3 products, HDTV, satellite radio, BlueTooth > technology and digital recording gear, she said.=20 > > > > "We're trying to open up more room."=20 > > > > RadioShack will transition as many employees as possible from=20 closing > stores to others, Dominguez said. With 77 stores in theTampa Bay=20 area, > Dominguez said she believes there will be new opportunities for=20 those jobs > that are impacted by the closings.=20 > > > > The company declined to say which markets were hit hardest,=20 focusing > instead on the fact that 480 stores are closing nationally, a=20 volume that > hits the low end of the range of closings the company announced in > February.=20 > > > > >=20 http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/stories/2006/03/20/daily69.html? t=3Dprinta > ble > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >=20=20 > > > > > From w6yn@juno.com Sun Mar 26 19:59:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22805 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2006 03:59:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2006 03:59:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2006 03:59:34 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABCCQ22MAV4LWWS for (sender ); Sun, 26 Mar 2006 19:59:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LLFLPVHA; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 19:58:25 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 19:58:13 -0800 Message-ID: <20060326.195817.5820.11.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,8-23,24-32767 X-ContentStamp: 6:3:851906804 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLG3RR7Fejkw8eg7iildwYnM= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: More iBiquity IBOC Buzz Saws X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=ldarOiTfp2HwM1-20WSZVyf-4Wwz0MEBuAfE014dtQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit More iBiquity IBOC buzz saws were observed during my trip to Los Angeles this weekend: KLAC 570kHz (New) KOGO 600kHz (San Diego) KBRT 740kHz (New) KMZE 830kHz KTNQ 1020kHz KNX 1070kHz KDIS 1110kHz Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Mar 27 12:19:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99044 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2006 20:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2006 20:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.163) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2006 20:19:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 33197 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Mar 2006 20:18:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20060327201835.33195.qmail@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:18:35 PST Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:18:35 -0800 (PST) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=pUJKwrcMdHoqMNFr-Bn4JbWVkg9WM-7KVKyJ4hitvyNfphBYLVqaJB0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Did little Catalina Island's CQuam station on 740 start buzzsaws? As recent as Christmas they were still CQuam stereo! I even took a photo of their 'ranch' as they call it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Mar 27 12:26:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73908 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2006 20:26:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2006 20:26:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.227) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2006 20:25:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n7.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2006 20:25:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2006 20:25:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2006 20:25:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:25:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060327201835.33195.qmail@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.72.245 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=9kxyFM74FjwA0Bnz09zDWtU5IE4Z3b9hKD8TqDTDamiWyWYF X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > Did little Catalina Island's CQuam station on 740 start buzzsaws? As=20 recent as > Christmas they were still CQuam stereo! I even took a photo of=20 their 'ranch' > as they call it. Remember, it's a Crawford station....and they're determined to convert=20 all their stations to IBOC. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From mtgc@hotmail.com Mon Mar 27 17:04:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62103 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2006 01:04:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2006 01:04:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.26) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2006 01:04:09 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:04:08 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:04:07 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:04:07 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2006 01:04:08.0998 (UTC) FILETIME=[849E3C60:01C65203] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Carver TX-11a on ebay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=ThTKe8JoUV71TJTCTf4LgmSx9k14GKIrNPh9zWW74PGKPObPsX84 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Do a search for Carver TX-11a on EBay and a few will pop up. MTGC (Michael) >From: "Jack" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Carver TX-11a on ebay >Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 22:56:02 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.88 >X-Sender: beefus100@yahoo.com >Received: from n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.55]) by >bay0-mc9-f9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 27 >Mar 2006 11:58:05 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 >Mar 2006 23:00:45 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.99] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar >2006 23:00:45 -0000 >Received: (qmail 11096 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2006 22:57:15 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >25 Mar 2006 22:57:15 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.88) by >mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2006 22:57:15 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar >2006 22:56:03 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar >2006 22:56:03 -0000 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGCmVwGzPmykgrpiconxsdMPL5A9WFDPls= >Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; >d=yahoogroups.com;b=PIODhaOAm6Fw6rhZgk97F4ZFYUKyPNllvL2OTmTFBerUOYyHxrO7HgWB0jSULJ9hFqDhtgwoPBGIHZPBbnmT1zD782qh+7bwUXsHabMB/hWO2COW4K0WA0jWrLxTiHKc; >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 >X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 >X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.49.98.205 >X-Yahoo-Profile: beefus100 >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >List-Id: >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-22860-1143327644-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2006 19:58:05.0777 (UTC) >FILETIME=[C3491410:01C651D8] > >Hi, > >There is a Carver TX-11a on ebay. I have one here, and it is one >beautiful AM stereo receiver. No bids on it yet. BTW, I have no >connection with the seller. > >I have a couple of SRF A300 receivers AM stereo portables, and I am >going to see if I can widen the AM response a bit. Maybe change the >IF filter and check for audio low pass filtering. > >Anyone ever see a service manual for this radio? > > >Later, > >Jack near Cincinnati > > > From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Mar 28 00:50:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61267 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2006 08:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2006 08:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.189) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2006 08:50:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 15848 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Mar 2006 08:50:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20060328085047.15846.qmail@web25804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.159.125.231] by web25804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:50:46 PST Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:50:46 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=Lua88qK5oox3rVNAht49qzINCAMLN_SHr2UiEsgTiZ3IcgEtQtBW X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Amy, I have a question. I am at heart an analogue person when it comes to radio. Forgive me but I have only read a few articles on HD radio. Will the HD IBOC on AM be in stereo or mono or is analogue AM C-QUAM or Harris the only ways to broadcast AM in stereo? I am possibly a budding broadcaster. I am 32 and thinking of going back to school for it. I know a local college that has a two year program in it and they Co-Op you out in a station so you can get your foot in the door. Just trying to learn all I can about whats going on in the industry. Sorry If I sound a little misinformed on it. I try to stay with you guys on the tech talk. Bring me up to speed, LOL! Thanks Amy and God Bless. -Kevin --- Amy Mousie wrote: --------------------------------- --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > Did little Catalina Island's CQuam station on 740 start buzzsaws? As recent as > Christmas they were still CQuam stereo! I even took a photo of their 'ranch' > as they call it. Remember, it's a Crawford station....and they're determined to convert all their stations to IBOC. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum SPONSORED LINKS Stereo High performance Digital radio --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Mar 28 00:54:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98285 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2006 08:54:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2006 08:54:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.186) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2006 08:54:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 18500 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Mar 2006 08:54:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20060328085436.18498.qmail@web25801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.159.125.231] by web25801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:54:36 PST Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:54:36 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Post Script X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=PWw0lk42JHUa9jJZ2Ue-tdwGAHWF_OmMUt0RuvF8HMbD2S-7OKcy X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke You know I just cannot understand why anyone would want to broadcast in mono period. Even some interesting things could be done with talk stations in stereo such as if the show has two hosts panning one right and one left. Hey if there were three people talking then you'd have to pan one center! :o) See stereo could even be interesting on talk! Ok I know the reason why though deals with the stereo carrier and with talk it clears up the sound and boosts the signal to do it in mono but it might still be interesting to hear a talk show broadcast that way. Maybe Bill at WNMB will play with the pan pots on his mixer when he does a local talk show, that would be interesting! But really i'm a music person and hey it's just GOT to be STEREO!! God Bless Yall! -Kevin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Mar 28 00:59:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10351 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2006 08:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2006 08:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.191) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2006 08:59:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 65934 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Mar 2006 08:59:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20060328085910.65932.qmail@web25806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.159.125.231] by web25806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:59:10 PST Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:59:10 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=wdmc7Xtz39lZOR3rlQj-qiD1GevhlPMixVXsrzrZ_UKHpAD3ZtYG X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Ok DJ's and personalities. What headphones do you guys use on the air? I am considering buying a new pair because my 12 year old Sony MDR-V202 digital monitors are wearing out. I am considering the MDR-V700DJ model by Sony. What do you guys think about his model? Should I go with that or the 7505 or 7509 made by Sony? I've talked to some DJ's up here and the MDR-V700DJ seems to be popular. Any ideas?? -Kevin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wnmb@sc.rr.com Tue Mar 28 06:14:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78148 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2006 14:14:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2006 14:14:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2006 14:14:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2006 14:11:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2006 14:11:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:11:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060328085436.18498.qmail@web25801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.199.186.206 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: Re: Post Script X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=pY4d9e_M2yUaJtsFp-e5jN2kw_sndQGgCLw8LISabWAaxA X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 For most broadcasters who still broadcast in mono it's one of two=20 things. For some it has been a budget consideration. There's a cost=20 of several thousand dollars to convert your audio chain. For most,=20 however, it has probably been the overall lack of AM Stereo receivers. It has become over the years now like a chicken and the egg thing.=20=20 If more AM stations went stereo, would more receivers come along? The=20 answer is probably yes if the radio stations would actually promote=20 and educate about AM Stereo. A lot of stations have been waiting for digital. What a=20 disappointment for to me to have found out all I now know about IBOC=20 and AM. If IBOC is the solution for AM, then we have a serious=20 problem. What if the government required all new receivers to have at least=20 AMAX quality and to have the c-quam chip installed? The government gave us a quick choice on an FM Standard. The=20 government mandated all tv tuners would be equipped with UHF. The=20 government settle on HD. Why can the government not mandate receiver=20 quality and AM Stereo? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 wrote: > > You know I just cannot understand why anyone would > want to broadcast in mono period. Even some > interesting things could be done with talk stations in > stereo such as if the show has two hosts panning one > right and one left. Hey if there were three people > talking then you'd have to pan one center! :o) See > stereo could even be interesting on talk! Ok I know > the reason why though deals with the stereo carrier > and with talk it clears up the sound and boosts the > signal to do it in mono but it might still be > interesting to hear a talk show broadcast that way.=20 > Maybe Bill at WNMB will play with the pan pots on his > mixer when he does a local talk show, that would be > interesting! But really i'm a music person and hey > it's just GOT to be STEREO!! God Bless Yall! >=20 > -Kevin >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com > From wnmb@sc.rr.com Tue Mar 28 06:16:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84827 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2006 14:16:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2006 14:16:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2006 14:16:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2006 14:13:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2006 14:13:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:13:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060328085910.65932.qmail@web25806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.199.186.206 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: Re: Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=0l1AEsfrP9OO0nJlmYrNyREjvpMlYmkTFaaBaDoSfsThBw X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 YOu may laugh at this, but we still use the Sennheiser HD-414=20 headphones. Great stereo, great fidelity and you can wear them for=20 along time with great comfort. A few years ago when Sennheiser reproduced this model we bought over=20 a dozen pairs, and we continue to buy replacement ear pads, etc. Bill : wnmb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 wrote: > > Ok DJ's and personalities. What headphones do you > guys use on the air? I am considering buying a new > pair because my 12 year old Sony MDR-V202 digital > monitors are wearing out. I am considering the > MDR-V700DJ model by Sony. What do you guys think > about his model? Should I go with that or the 7505 or > 7509 made by Sony? I've talked to some DJ's up here > and the MDR-V700DJ seems to be popular. Any ideas?? >=20 > -Kevin >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com > From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 06:38:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57898 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2006 14:38:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2006 14:38:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.66) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2006 14:38:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 20677 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Mar 2006 14:38:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20060328143803.20675.qmail@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.5.219.153] by web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 06:38:03 PST Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 06:38:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=vrKpFLbjAPXkwyYY2xakGrg9eBRYqOin9gqTPrOVHHs X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Bill Norman wrote: > YOu may laugh at this, but we still use the > Sennheiser HD-414 > headphones. Great stereo, great fidelity and you > can wear them for > along time with great comfort. > A few years ago when Sennheiser reproduced this > model we bought over > a dozen pairs, and we continue to buy replacement > ear pads, etc. > Bill : wnmb A few years ago Sennheiser brought the model back. I also have a pair of long discontinued HD-424 headphones, and yes parts are still there for that model. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Mar 28 06:46:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24072 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2006 14:46:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2006 14:46:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2006 14:46:51 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-194-40.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.194.40] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FOFPS-0000g2-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:43:02 -0500 Message-ID: <053801c65275$e9c5bf60$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060328085910.65932.qmail@web25806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:43:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=JcDd5RIldG65iL6NjEMQ0TKx9L811_8zh7gro0P1JjHD8XlvGzbissNx20jBoA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: >What headphones do you guys use on the air? I am considering buying a new >pair because my 12 year old Sony MDR-V202 digital monitors are wearing out. I am "old school" when it comes to my "Cans". The only headphones I use for On-Air, Production, or anything else is the Koss PRO4AA. They are the BEST cans you can buy. You will like them far better than the MDR-V202s. You can crank up the volume till your nose bleeds and turn the mike up so you can hear the mice in the walls belch and them cans still will not squeal. The best price I have seen on the PRO4AA is from Broadcast Supply Worldwide: http://www.bswusa.com/proditem.asp?item=PRO4AA You also see them on ebay quite often. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Mar 28 07:36:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89280 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2006 15:36:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2006 15:36:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm15.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.46) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2006 15:36:11 -0000 Received: from pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (pimout2-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.217]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k2SFaFYA024970 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:36:15 -0500 X-ORBL: [68.76.219.194] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-76-219-194.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.219.194]) by pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id k2SFa8BA150728 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:36:09 -0500 Message-ID: <004f01c6527d$56b35220$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <20060328085910.65932.qmail@web25806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:36:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0613-0, 03/28/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=CCYZmmzWmblIK6_o4J0kaZrUUSkG1SHXO9RzEkCnWvQSxUU X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Ok DJ's and personalities. What headphones do you > guys use on the air? I am considering buying a new > pair because my 12 year old Sony MDR-V202 digital > monitors are wearing out. I am considering the > MDR-V700DJ model by Sony. What do you guys think > about his model? Should I go with that or the 7505 or > 7509 made by Sony? I've talked to some DJ's up here > and the MDR-V700DJ seems to be popular. Any ideas?? I replaced my AKG's with the Sony 7506's about 10 years ago and I still love them. The cups are starting to flake (the leathery stuff) but they sound as good as they did 10 years ago. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Mar 28 08:49:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35100 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2006 16:49:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2006 16:49:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2006 16:49:40 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-194-40.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.194.40] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FOHNx-0001h4-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:49:37 -0500 Message-ID: <05cb01c65287$98b13250$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060328085436.18498.qmail@web25801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:48:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Post Script X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=upcS11m58uQIV-ypGDihrmQFZDw0hwyXhVwX5ThnGWKk_BXyAf0mXp138G4q0A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: > You know I just cannot understand why anyone would want to broadcast in > mono period. If your program source is Mono, what good is it to broadcast in FM Stereo? It makes sense for FMs to broadcast in mono. On FM, you loose about 10% of your coverage area in Stereo, and most car radios blend the Stereo back to mono unless you are right under the tower anyway...so why bother? On AM, it makes sense to broadcast a Stereo signal even if your programming is all Mono because many Delco car radios will only go into wideband mode if it detects a C-QUAM pilot. The reason many former Stereo stations went back to Mono is complaints of Platform Motion during certain types of interference and fading when using the C-QUAM system. The FCC should allow Kahn ISB Stereo to be used by these stations. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From tomray@wor710.com Tue Mar 28 10:03:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99896 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2006 18:03:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2006 18:03:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2006 18:02:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2006 18:02:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2006 18:02:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:02:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060328085047.15846.qmail@web25804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=aFaGLOUkxsLzOv8QqnYGqHvyYPVOcODlLADZMHd6FUBPF8L8 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell wrote: > I have a question. I am at heart an analogue > person when it comes to radio. Forgive me but I have > only read a few articles on HD radio. Will the HD > IBOC on AM be in stereo or mono or is analogue AM > C-QUAM or Harris the only ways to broadcast AM in > stereo?=20=20 AM HD is stereo, with wider audio bandwidth, greater separation, and greater signal to noise ratio. >I am possibly a budding broadcaster. I am 32 > and thinking of going back to school for it.=20=20 That's excellent, as there is a shortage of Engineers in radio, particularly for AM. >Just trying to learn all I can > about whats going on in the industry.Sorry If I > sound a little misinformed on it.=20=20 Don't be sorry. If you're not in the business, it's hard to know what's going on. It's hard when you're in the business. Best thing you can do is ask questions, and hopefully, you will get straight answers. Tom Ray WOR =20 From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 10:06:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83807 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2006 18:06:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2006 18:06:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.221) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2006 18:06:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2006 18:06:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2006 18:06:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2006 18:06:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:06:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <053801c65275$e9c5bf60$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.56.162 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=j1uaVRxv8WGnqihLSICjqMHBHqTVu14hhTMDJumCjUOn9R8L X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > Kevin Bell wrote: > >What headphones do you guys use on the air? I am considering=20 buying a new=20 > >pair because my 12 year old Sony MDR-V202 digital monitors are=20 wearing out. >=20 > I am "old school" when it comes to my "Cans". The only headphones I=20 use for=20 > On-Air, Production, or anything else is the Koss PRO4AA. They are=20 the BEST=20 > cans you can buy. You will like them far better than the MDR-V202s.=20 You can=20 > crank up the volume till your nose bleeds and turn the mike up so=20 you can=20 > hear the mice in the walls belch and them cans still will not=20 squeal. I personally recommend Koss. I've never been disappointed with tghe=20 sound of a Koss. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From starship_2001@msn.com Tue Mar 28 10:09:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45527 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2006 18:09:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2006 18:09:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.94) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2006 18:09:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:09:03 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.5 by BAY106-DAV22.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:09:00 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:09:00 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2006 18:09:03.0786 (UTC) FILETIME=[B25E38A0:01C65292] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=AXl8FcwzWJflEnweqJMq5diZn6KYJMGCLcxs-9nzCzIxBreGplx5QokrNg X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom i heard that the lower end of the freq response on AM HD cuts off at 100HZ is this true ? How about the upper end ? -----Original Message----- From: Tom Ray Sent: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:02:28 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell wrote: > I have a question. I am at heart an analogue > person when it comes to radio. Forgive me but I have > only read a few articles on HD radio. Will the HD > IBOC on AM be in stereo or mono or is analogue AM > C-QUAM or Harris the only ways to broadcast AM in > stereo? AM HD is stereo, with wider audio bandwidth, greater separation, and greater signal to noise ratio. >I am possibly a budding broadcaster. I am 32 > and thinking of going back to school for it. That's excellent, as there is a shortage of Engineers in radio, particularly for AM. >Just trying to learn all I can > about whats going on in the industry.Sorry If I > sound a little misinformed on it. Don't be sorry. If you're not in the business, it's hard to know what's going on. It's hard when you're in the business. Best thing you can do is ask questions, and hopefully, you will get straight answers. Tom Ray WOR Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 11:39:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17589 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2006 19:39:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2006 19:39:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2006 19:39:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2006 19:39:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2006 19:39:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:39:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060328085047.15846.qmail@web25804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.56.162 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=_gRciioHm8Zg4RMNYAIr50dwDbfHVZACPp2BwCzNrt1hBuHK X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 wrote: > > Amy, >=20=20=20 > I have a question. I am at heart an analogue > person when it comes to radio. Forgive me but I have > only read a few articles on HD radio. Will the HD > IBOC on AM be in stereo or mono or is analogue AM > C-QUAM or Harris the only ways to broadcast AM in > stereo? I am possibly a budding broadcaster. I am 32 > and thinking of going back to school for it. I know a > local college that has a two year program in it and > they Co-Op you out in a station so you can get your > foot in the door. Just trying to learn all I can > about whats going on in the industry. Sorry If I > sound a little misinformed on it. I try to stay with > you guys on the tech talk. Bring me up to speed, LOL! > Thanks Amy and God Bless. Short answer: Yes. Only a few AM-IBOC stations use the stereo mode,=20 but from what I understand, it's not very good- Much like AM-IBOC is=20 limited to one digital channel, due to the quality of the codec used.=20 I am not sure if a version of Coding Technologies' "Parametric=20 Stereo" is employed, or if some proprietary stereo scheme. (P-stereo=20 operates much the same as SBR, using a nominal data stream for stereo=20 placement, allowing for very-low bitstreams to employ stereo without=20 the need of significantly greater bandwidth. This has been in use=20 since '04 by DRM already.) I, like many here, have issues with IBOC, in particular, the matters=20 of proprietary systems (allowing much higher costs than necessary)=20=20 and co-/adjacent-channel interference with a system that's actually=20 difficult to receive. As for audio quality, my problem is how they=20 advertise it, NOT whether it's good or bad, because it's not at all=20 up to what they claim it to be. It's actually about as good as a=20 decent internet radio stream at the same bitrate. (DRM's AAC+SBR+P- stereo is better, but not, by any means, "perfect". At least DRM can=20 support up to 4 audio streams.) And one issue, not the least of=20 which, is how IBOC is being forced on the industry, even without all=20 the bugs worked out, both on the broadcast and reception ends. It's=20 shameful to promote such an inferior system, especially if you want=20 it to be a "Made In America" system! Although I favour DRM (it's DXable, at least, plus having many open=20 features), I DO NOT think digital is superior to analogue AM, even=20 any of the analogue AMS systems. Yes, these have their own issues,=20 but at least analogue AMS is transparent to mono AM users, while=20 being able to serve an already-existing receiver base, with 20+=20=20 years' worth of Fords, Chryslers and GMs, at least- and at least Ford=20 and Chrysler are STILL making models with AMS installed. (It's inn=20 the aftermarket and retail sectors AMS is particularly vulnerable.)=20 Yes, AMS can be noisy.....but it won't drop out, and it's=20 intelligable even if the signal is weak. I don't even favour any particular analogue AMS system (although I=20 would've preferred the RCA/Belar system, but since that's never been=20 a real option to listen to and test out, I won't say what AMS system=20 is superior; however, C-QUAM is the standard, and I fully support=20 that.(Insofar as ISB, I prefer J. Gilstrap's "C-ISB" idea, which=20 employs the advantages of both C-QUAM and ISB.) In short, I'm not anti-digital- Far from it. But I do think analogue=20 AMS is superior to any digital system. As for digital, I don't think=20 IBOC is the right idea. Hybrid-mode, or "simulcast" DRM would've been=20 the right method, and not use an extra-wide "supercarrier" system=20 currently employed by AM-IBOC. IBOC is bad engineering motivated by bad corporate decisions being=20 foisted on a market that is far from ready for it. DRM, at least, has the advantage of being open enough for ordinary=20 people to give it a try, as have a third of a million people=20 worldwide havedone so. But give me analogue AMS any day.:) But back to your post- Don't worry so much about what system they=20 use, but about what you can do at that station. College/university=20 stations are a great place to "get your feet wet" in broadcasting. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From badeditpro@charter.net Tue Mar 28 14:28:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3585 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2006 22:28:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2006 22:28:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf15.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.215) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2006 22:28:37 -0000 Received: from mxip32a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip32a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.247]) by mxsf15.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k2SMSLng030437 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:28:21 -0500 Received: from 24-241-13-230.dhcp.rnrp.nc.charter.com (HELO yourfd6nvjcer4) ([24.241.13.230]) by mxip32a.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 28 Mar 2006 17:28:22 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c652b6$eb8b0580$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:28:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.28.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: C-QUAM L-R Bandwidth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=1_C_WM_C2BDZIVQzYZjUstye99Xc7EPWPMdbuj__1j-tEwOt3eQTUqBBcDUe X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey All, I was reading some old literature on the different AM Stereo systems introduced in the 80's--- C-QUAM, Kahn, Harris, Belair and Magnavox.... I ran into a curious bit of information comparing the bandwidths of the L-R channels on various systems. It said that C-QUAM was limited to a maximum of 7.5 KHz to stay within allotted bandwidth. Kahn ISB was worse with an L-R bandwidth of only 5 k. Harris was supposed to be able to get full separation up to 10 kHz. This makes me wonder what is the current standard for C-QUAM? What I was reading was before the NRSC Standards for AM were mandated in the late 80's... How did that effect C-QUAM's L-R? :) Joe Collins [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Mar 28 15:38:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34480 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2006 23:38:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2006 23:38:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2006 23:38:29 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-194-40.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.194.40] helo=PossumHunter) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FONlc-000017-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:38:28 -0500 Message-ID: <00e601c652c0$b6971170$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:38:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: HD Radio was: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=SkMQ4Y2gIh7HIEH6W7zqJldX67n2Y7LCjKzEq2p83fuG5U-F3lJo0F9eIXDO5Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Ray wrote: > AM HD is stereo, with wider audio bandwidth, greater separation, and greater signal to noise ratio. Don't forget to tell 'em you can hear REAL off-air recordings of HD here: http://wor710.com/Engineering/iboc/audio_samples.htm These samples of WOR sound a helluva lot better than any of the AM or FM HD stations I listened to off-air here in Florida. This tells me for HD-Radio to be successful, it requires being set up the best of the best Broadcast Engineers, like Tom and Kerry. Since nearly all AM stations and most FMs have a limited engineering staff, or just use contract engineers, most HD-Radio installations will NOT sound as good as WOR's. To be fair, very few analog C-QUAM stations sound as good as WTTM or WWRL did for the same reasons. The same goes with CAM-D. Leonard Kahn himself says CAM-D must be set up by his engineers. The reason CAM-D failed at KRVN was poor engineering and installation at the radio station. Lenny finally got some CAM-D audio up on http://wrathofkahn.org/ but for the consumer, CAM-D is still "vapor-ware". Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Mar 28 20:29:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71821 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2006 04:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2006 04:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.187) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2006 04:29:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 65329 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Mar 2006 04:29:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20060329042924.65327.qmail@web25802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.159.125.231] by web25802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:29:24 PST Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:29:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Post Script X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=lDiKWMXF6hVYSwKD8taDAKLT9-U4D1Wy-7xb3X7TlB0pa-FYr7Y3 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Bill, I couldn't agree more. To me it makes no sense why every single radio and receiver was not made with AM stereo after they settled on C-Quam back in the 80s. I think had more electronics companies made all their receivers both FM and AM stereo then it would have changed things for the better. I know a lot of people who don't even know there was ever such a thing as AM stereo. That is sad. I will never understand why the consumer electronics industry didn't do more to support AM stereo on the receiver end. When you look back there just wasn't many companies making them. I think that is what hurt AM stereo. I do agree with you though that they should standardise things on the AMAX C-Quam system. -Kevin --- Bill Norman wrote: --------------------------------- For most broadcasters who still broadcast in mono it's one of two things. For some it has been a budget consideration. There's a cost of several thousand dollars to convert your audio chain. For most, however, it has probably been the overall lack of AM Stereo receivers. It has become over the years now like a chicken and the egg thing. If more AM stations went stereo, would more receivers come along? The answer is probably yes if the radio stations would actually promote and educate about AM Stereo. A lot of stations have been waiting for digital. What a disappointment for to me to have found out all I now know about IBOC and AM. If IBOC is the solution for AM, then we have a serious problem. What if the government required all new receivers to have at least AMAX quality and to have the c-quam chip installed? The government gave us a quick choice on an FM Standard. The government mandated all tv tuners would be equipped with UHF. The government settle on HD. Why can the government not mandate receiver quality and AM Stereo? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell wrote: > > You know I just cannot understand why anyone would > want to broadcast in mono period. Even some > interesting things could be done with talk stations in > stereo such as if the show has two hosts panning one > right and one left. Hey if there were three people > talking then you'd have to pan one center! :o) See > stereo could even be interesting on talk! Ok I know > the reason why though deals with the stereo carrier > and with talk it clears up the sound and boosts the > signal to do it in mono but it might still be > interesting to hear a talk show broadcast that way. > Maybe Bill at WNMB will play with the pan pots on his > mixer when he does a local talk show, that would be > interesting! But really i'm a music person and hey > it's just GOT to be STEREO!! God Bless Yall! > > -Kevin > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Mar 28 20:36:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42568 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2006 04:36:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2006 04:36:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.189) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2006 04:36:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 68953 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Mar 2006 04:36:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20060329043619.68951.qmail@web25804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.159.125.231] by web25804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:36:19 PST Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:36:19 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=tKmAmWCCHNEoYoXYs99TwETuqqKMgmD18xttmOcFzBZvWu0gP0ot X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Bill, Not at all. Sennheiser makes a wonderful product. I've used them before when running live church sound and also when I ran boards in high school for our chorus concerts. Sennheiser's are comfortable and light weight. -Kevin --- Bill Norman wrote: --------------------------------- YOu may laugh at this, but we still use the Sennheiser HD-414 headphones. Great stereo, great fidelity and you can wear them for along time with great comfort. A few years ago when Sennheiser reproduced this model we bought over a dozen pairs, and we continue to buy replacement ear pads, etc. Bill : wnmb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell wrote: > > Ok DJ's and personalities. What headphones do you > guys use on the air? I am considering buying a new > pair because my 12 year old Sony MDR-V202 digital > monitors are wearing out. I am considering the > MDR-V700DJ model by Sony. What do you guys think > about his model? Should I go with that or the 7505 or > 7509 made by Sony? I've talked to some DJ's up here > and the MDR-V700DJ seems to be popular. Any ideas?? > > -Kevin > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Mar 28 20:41:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5057 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2006 04:41:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2006 04:41:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.176.248) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2006 04:41:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 85268 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Mar 2006 04:41:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20060329044151.85266.qmail@web25815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.159.125.231] by web25815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:41:51 PST Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:41:51 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <053801c65275$e9c5bf60$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.176.248 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=NrLh9hoMtRVWXjoiGuuCRdusiPfeuFDu78eTd-CY4NCcnegOEXCb X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Possum I can go you one better. Check this out http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=24798 you can get them even cheaper there. I wometimes deal with J&R Music world to buy a cd player or tape deck and they have the best prices and free shipping many times. Lots of stars actually shop there. You can check that out on their site. They are in NY city and they have tons of audio stuff. Oh those headphones are currently $58.99 and have free shipping. -Kevin --- Possum Hunter wrote: --------------------------------- Kevin Bell wrote: >What headphones do you guys use on the air? I am considering buying a new >pair because my 12 year old Sony MDR-V202 digital monitors are wearing out. I am "old school" when it comes to my "Cans". The only headphones I use for On-Air, Production, or anything else is the Koss PRO4AA. They are the BEST cans you can buy. You will like them far better than the MDR-V202s. You can crank up the volume till your nose bleeds and turn the mike up so you can hear the mice in the walls belch and them cans still will not squeal. The best price I have seen on the PRO4AA is from Broadcast Supply Worldwide: http://www.bswusa.com/proditem.asp?item=PRO4AA You also see them on ebay quite often. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Mar 28 20:47:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3425 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2006 04:47:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2006 04:47:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.187) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2006 04:47:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 71693 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Mar 2006 04:47:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20060329044750.71691.qmail@web25802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.159.125.231] by web25802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:47:50 PST Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:47:50 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004f01c6527d$56b35220$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=frsFdFHtnLsfetUqEfDnPxEwlvWv8C7ByFxh8lvXCT62vBo_adHG X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Jim you know that is one thing that drives me nuts about Sony Headphones. They all flake that "fleather" or "pleather" as we called it in college in the 90s. Plastic Leather=Pleather or Fake Leather=Fleather! hahahaha. Sony's sound good but dang they really could do better with the cushions. Then again i've seen Sennheisers foam cushions rot. A lot of it deals wihh the oils in your skin causing them to rot and flake. I have oily skin myself so my headphones did like that. Like I say I think you can order new cushions because they slip on and off, just sorta hard to slip those tight suckers on there. Call sony's 800 number. They can connect you with theiir parts division and you could probably get some cushions for them fairly cheap. Would make your phones look new. -Kevin --- Jim Burgan wrote: --------------------------------- > Ok DJ's and personalities. What headphones do you > guys use on the air? I am considering buying a new > pair because my 12 year old Sony MDR-V202 digital > monitors are wearing out. I am considering the > MDR-V700DJ model by Sony. What do you guys think > about his model? Should I go with that or the 7505 or > 7509 made by Sony? I've talked to some DJ's up here > and the MDR-V700DJ seems to be popular. Any ideas?? I replaced my AKG's with the Sony 7506's about 10 years ago and I still love them. The cups are starting to flake (the leathery stuff) but they sound as good as they did 10 years ago. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum SPONSORED LINKS Stereo High performance Digital radio --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Mar 28 21:02:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84837 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2006 05:02:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2006 05:02:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.194) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2006 05:02:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 22336 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Mar 2006 05:02:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20060329050256.22334.qmail@web25809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.159.125.231] by web25809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:02:56 PST Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:02:56 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=01KAh9-4qWEj2WzyBWPOD1a99RnlRlug4Aifpcej02yLScB6OnGT X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Amy, Thanks, enjoyed reading the post. I agree with you that current analogue broadcasting is superior to this digital stuff. The reason it is is because they limit the digital stuff so much. It can be much better if they don't limit everything. The one thing i've always liked about AM is it's distance. FM, if you are driving long distances, doesn't stay with you nearly as long as a good AM station. I wouldn't worry to much though. I don't think this IBOC Digital stuff is going to catch on so much. Here in Greenville, SC we only have one station I think that is digital and that is an FM station and is owned by Clear Channel. I have noticed that the digital stations usually are Clear Channel and that Entercom sticks with analogue. Like I said Clear Channel is the only one here that has digital and they are the minority because Entercom has more of the market share, more stations. All of Entercom's are analogue. They actually sound much better than the station that went to digital because it seemed that when they went to digital it hurt their normal analogue signal. I don't get that station nearly as clear on analogue as I did before they switched to HD. I also hear some other noise and trash in the signal when their is silence and no it isn't the 19khz pilot tone. Let me ask. Since FM's stero pilot tone is 19khz what frequency is AM stereo's pilot tone? Amy I agree that College stations are a good way of getting your feet wet, too bad I didn't get to do that at Clemson when I was there. I am 32 so when I say getting into broadcasting i'm talking about going back to school and at the same time seeing if I can get my foot in the door somewhere at a station to get experience. I have a good grasp on running audio boards since I ran church sound for years and sound for the music department in high school. I also ran the tape and CD duplicators and other equipment at the church. Other than that i've been a lifelong audiophile. I still believe in Tape!! I like CD's and have many of them but I still love the warmer sound of analogue therefore I still use tons of tapes and still buy blank tape to make my own mixes for home and car use. Maybe all of us banded together will save analogue formats for future generations to enjoy, lets hope! -Kevin --- Amy Mousie wrote: --------------------------------- --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell wrote: > > Amy, > > I have a question. I am at heart an analogue > person when it comes to radio. Forgive me but I have > only read a few articles on HD radio. Will the HD > IBOC on AM be in stereo or mono or is analogue AM > C-QUAM or Harris the only ways to broadcast AM in > stereo? I am possibly a budding broadcaster. I am 32 > and thinking of going back to school for it. I know a > local college that has a two year program in it and > they Co-Op you out in a station so you can get your > foot in the door. Just trying to learn all I can > about whats going on in the industry. Sorry If I > sound a little misinformed on it. I try to stay with > you guys on the tech talk. Bring me up to speed, LOL! > Thanks Amy and God Bless. Short answer: Yes. Only a few AM-IBOC stations use the stereo mode, but from what I understand, it's not very good- Much like AM-IBOC is limited to one digital channel, due to the quality of the codec used. I am not sure if a version of Coding Technologies' "Parametric Stereo" is employed, or if some proprietary stereo scheme. (P-stereo operates much the same as SBR, using a nominal data stream for stereo placement, allowing for very-low bitstreams to employ stereo without the need of significantly greater bandwidth. This has been in use since '04 by DRM already.) I, like many here, have issues with IBOC, in particular, the matters of proprietary systems (allowing much higher costs than necessary) and co-/adjacent-channel interference with a system that's actually difficult to receive. As for audio quality, my problem is how they advertise it, NOT whether it's good or bad, because it's not at all up to what they claim it to be. It's actually about as good as a decent internet radio stream at the same bitrate. (DRM's AAC+SBR+P- stereo is better, but not, by any means, "perfect". At least DRM can support up to 4 audio streams.) And one issue, not the least of which, is how IBOC is being forced on the industry, even without all the bugs worked out, both on the broadcast and reception ends. It's shameful to promote such an inferior system, especially if you want it to be a "Made In America" system! Although I favour DRM (it's DXable, at least, plus having many open features), I DO NOT think digital is superior to analogue AM, even any of the analogue AMS systems. Yes, these have their own issues, but at least analogue AMS is transparent to mono AM users, while being able to serve an already-existing receiver base, with 20+ years' worth of Fords, Chryslers and GMs, at least- and at least Ford and Chrysler are STILL making models with AMS installed. (It's inn the aftermarket and retail sectors AMS is particularly vulnerable.) Yes, AMS can be noisy.....but it won't drop out, and it's intelligable even if the signal is weak. I don't even favour any particular analogue AMS system (although I would've preferred the RCA/Belar system, but since that's never been a real option to listen to and test out, I won't say what AMS system is superior; however, C-QUAM is the standard, and I fully support that.(Insofar as ISB, I prefer J. Gilstrap's "C-ISB" idea, which employs the advantages of both C-QUAM and ISB.) In short, I'm not anti-digital- Far from it. But I do think analogue AMS is superior to any digital system. As for digital, I don't think IBOC is the right idea. Hybrid-mode, or "simulcast" DRM would've been the right method, and not use an extra-wide "supercarrier" system currently employed by AM-IBOC. IBOC is bad engineering motivated by bad corporate decisions being foisted on a market that is far from ready for it. DRM, at least, has the advantage of being open enough for ordinary people to give it a try, as have a third of a million people worldwide havedone so. But give me analogue AMS any day.:) But back to your post- Don't worry so much about what system they use, but about what you can do at that station. College/university stations are a great place to "get your feet wet" in broadcasting. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Mar 28 21:11:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28042 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2006 05:11:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2006 05:11:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm43.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.74) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2006 05:11:44 -0000 Received: from pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (pimout1-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.65]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k2T5AkBd021596 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 00:10:46 -0500 X-ORBL: [68.76.219.194] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-76-219-194.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.219.194]) by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id k2T5AfKp188214 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 00:10:42 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c652ef$20a69fd0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <20060329044750.71691.qmail@web25802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 00:10:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0613-0, 03/28/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=ycZBkoRMQojwg4jK5we21e5zWnzCzcycuVdN-J36mjF7OlM X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Jim you know that is one thing that drives me nuts > about Sony Headphones. They all flake that "fleather" > or "pleather" as we called it in college in the 90s. > Plastic Leather=Pleather or Fake Leather=Fleather! > hahahaha. Sony's sound good but dang they really > could do better with the cushions. Then again i've > seen Sennheisers foam cushions rot. A lot of it deals > wihh the oils in your skin causing them to rot and > flake. I have oily skin myself so my headphones did > like that. Like I say I think you can order new > cushions because they slip on and off, just sorta hard > to slip those tight suckers on there. Call sony's 800 > number. They can connect you with theiir parts > division and you could probably get some cushions for > them fairly cheap. Would make your phones look new. Right you are. I have a pair of Sony MDR V600's and the MDR 7506's and both have had that same problem. That's why I bought the MDR V600's... every time I finished using the 7506's my ears were covered with black speckles. Now the V600's are doing it. I'm going to call tomorrow and try to get new cups for both. From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Mar 28 22:08:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1376 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2006 06:08:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2006 06:08:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.195) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2006 06:08:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 20809 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Mar 2006 06:07:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20060329060717.20807.qmail@web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.159.125.231] by web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:07:17 PST Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:07:17 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000f01c652ef$20a69fd0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=l1G8jqkfWeFpsSNJSLdYOEcHs3qhqZTcTSNKCNM0zDkjI6cma5dU X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Jim, Yeah how about letting me know how that goes and how much they charge for them. I'd like to order some new ones for my old MDR-V202's. The dang headphones still sound good after all these years. I think I paid $75 for these years ago. They look like those $20 versions you see at walmart, well that is the design on the phones. The difference is the components in them were better and the headband is leather wrapped at the top with metal headband going through it. They also have the 40mm drivers whereas those at walmart just look sorta like these but have 20mm drivers. Well let me know about those cushions. Take care. -Kevin --- Jim Burgan wrote: --------------------------------- > Jim you know that is one thing that drives me nuts > about Sony Headphones. They all flake that "fleather" > or "pleather" as we called it in college in the 90s. > Plastic Leather=Pleather or Fake Leather=Fleather! > hahahaha. Sony's sound good but dang they really > could do better with the cushions. Then again i've > seen Sennheisers foam cushions rot. A lot of it deals > wihh the oils in your skin causing them to rot and > flake. I have oily skin myself so my headphones did > like that. Like I say I think you can order new > cushions because they slip on and off, just sorta hard > to slip those tight suckers on there. Call sony's 800 > number. They can connect you with theiir parts > division and you could probably get some cushions for > them fairly cheap. Would make your phones look new. Right you are. I have a pair of Sony MDR V600's and the MDR 7506's and both have had that same problem. That's why I bought the MDR V600's... every time I finished using the 7506's my ears were covered with black speckles. Now the V600's are doing it. I'm going to call tomorrow and try to get new cups for both. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 22:50:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17095 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2006 06:50:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2006 06:50:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.209) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2006 06:50:29 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2006 06:50:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2006 06:50:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2006 06:50:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 06:50:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060329050256.22334.qmail@web25809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.56.162 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=i98yE5b8xIjCr7WAP8mvjo8rHDcDeDHQQ_OUOjHE7tcV6qH8 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 wrote: > > Amy, >=20 > Thanks, enjoyed reading the post. I agree with > you that current analogue broadcasting is superior to > this digital stuff. The reason it is is because they > limit the digital stuff so much. It can be much > better if they don't limit everything.=20 Compression wouldn't be so bad if they used the best-capable=20 algorhythms- In this case, the open-source AAC is better than=20 Lucent's proprietary PAC. But even thsat's not the real issue to me-=20 If they didn't advertise it sounds better than it actually does, I=20 wouldn't have any issues with that. To me, digital's fine, if done=20 right. Unfortunately, IBOC leaves alot to be desired, especially on=20 the transport. > The one thing > i've always liked about AM is it's distance.=20 Same here, especioally since I live in a rural county. > They actually sound much > better than the station that went to digital because > it seemed that when they went to digital it hurt their > normal analogue signal. I don't get that station > nearly as clear on analogue as I did before they > switched to HD. I also hear some other noise and > trash in the signal when their is silence and no it > isn't the 19khz pilot tone.=20 The station is actually weaker, because of the broader power=20 distribution across an even wider bandwidth- FM-IBOC covers something=20 like 250kHz of bandwidth (non-IBOC FM is about 200kHz). FM is made up of baseband audio to 15kHz, with added subcarriers to=20 the baseband. The 19kHz pilot (and everything else) is filtered out=20 above the baseband audio. The pilot's harmonic acts as a carrier=20 insertion to the suppressed-carrier dual-sideband AM centered at=20 38kHz, which carries the stereo difference (L-R) information. Nearly=20 all the noise one gets from interference and weak-signal noise is=20 introduced here. Additional subcarriers are used at 57kHz (RDS/RBDS- Radio Data=20 Service, which displays station call/slogan, etc.), 67 & 92kHz (SCA-=20 narrow FM subsidiary communications services, sometimes audio,=20 sometimes data). The IBOC digital starts above this at around 100kHz,=20 but they often tell stations to forsake any SCA at 92kHz due to=20 interference. This is how the subcarriers look, excluding IBOC: http://www.compolinc.com/images/scachart.gif The more subcarriers, the less power going to the main carriers. This=20 is why it's actually better for an FM station to broadcast mono,=20 because stereo will take a good chunck of coverage area. (AM stereo, on the other hand, doesn't use subcarriers, but rather=20 uses a co-carrier, and thus the power/bandwith distribution that=20 occuyrs on FM doesn't apply to AM, hence one of the greratest myths=20 of AM stereo.) > Let me ask. Since FM's > stero pilot tone is 19khz what frequency is AM > stereo's pilot tone? =20 25Hz, inserted into the quadrature, and thus filtered out. Most audio=20 is filtered out below 50Hz, anyway, or just filter out below 50HZ in=20 the quadrature (L-R) signal. This allows a theoretically unlimited=20 bandwidth, but practical bandwidth is under 12kHz. Some AMS stations=20 have been known to exceed 20kHz audio. > Amy I agree that College > stations are a good way of getting your feet wet, too > bad I didn't get to do that at Clemson when I was > there. I am 32 so when I say getting into > broadcasting i'm talking about going back to school > and at the same time seeing if I can get my foot in > the door somewhere at a station to get experience.=20 There are people at the local university station, KHSU, Humboldt=20 State University in Arcata, at 90.5MHz FM who are of all ages. There=20 is no requirement to be a student at the university to intern there.=20 Just ask at your local college or university for any openings at=20 their stations, and go for it. :) Some of the DJs at KHSU are in their 60s and 70s. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Mar 29 00:19:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15174 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2006 08:19:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2006 08:19:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.195) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2006 08:19:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 69017 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Mar 2006 08:19:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20060329081912.69015.qmail@web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.159.125.231] by web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 00:19:12 PST Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 00:19:12 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=rbXB1ulIp_v8dUL2McmSNujFXiKHf7uZ50paOjCMxt4Rz1a_mc0b X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Amy, Thanks once again for a well thought out post. I enjoy reading your posts. Ok I got ya now and i've learned a lot about radio recently that I didn't know. I should have thought to ask this. Ok since FM is limited to 15khz in the audible range and the 19khz tone is located in the non audible range then why do they place MPX filters on tape decks? I mean I know that apparently it causes the Dolby noise reduction circuits to act improperly but since it's not audible is this rubbish? Perhaps the deck still picks up something that causes that circuit to go ary. I have taped both with MPX filter switched in and out and I haven't had any dolby mistracking problems. I used to not use it for the very fact that I thought that it would limit 19 khz high frequencies but now I know that FM is limited to 15 khz that doesn't matter and I can use the MPX. This is interesting stuff. I am one of the rare ones that has never heard AM stereo however I am a supporter of it. I remember as a young kid thinking "boy it would be nice if AM were in stereo". To me these days FM sounds tinny and thin. It has so much processing introduced. I imagine what radio would sound like without processing and limiters. If broadcasters were allowed to play CD's in their full quality and allowed to broadcast out to 20 khz and move the pilot tone to a higher frequency and broadcasted a clear unprocessed signal. I bet it would sound a lot better. I mean human hearing only goes to 20 khz and most people are lucky to have their hearing to range that high anyways. I also understand that AM stations actually can broadcast a signal just as good in quality as an FM station but are limited by the FCC. Also I have heard the other reason is that most receivers aren't made to actually receive a higher quality signal even if the AM station sent one out. I do think that AM tuners made today are weaker than a lot of older ones. I do have one good radio that I paid $100 for. Its one of those Tivoli Model One's. It has a very nice AM section. I never have heard any kind of distortion or interferance on it. The only thing I have with the units are that the speakers are tuned overly bassy. I think thats for people that listen more to the FM side. But for voice these little radios are worht the money. I wanted one radio that was high quality and dedicated to talk radio. I get my news that way. I don't care for television news, it's overly biased and glorified. I stil like to hear my local broadcaster read the news. Thank God for people like Bill Norman down at WNMB who still believes in local programming and personality. I do actually think that radio is on the cusp of a huge revival and heres the reason. A lot has been made and said about Satellite Radio (XM and Sirius). Well they are good for some reasons such as musical variety but I don't think the quality is what it's marketed as. Anyway a lot has been said about how good it is and yadda yadda. I think what this is going to do is force over the air radio to rediscover local programming because people cannot get local programming over satellite. I think radio will become more localized the way it was in the 60s and 70s. At least thats what I theorise. It's the same as satellite TV. People still want their local programming. I think that in order to turn the industry around the execs need to realise this and cash in on local programming and push it heavily. Perhaps PSA's about it to make people realise that over the air radio is stil very important and here to stay. I truly believe that satellite radio may have reversely helped over the air broadcast radio in this fashion. Now i'm nothing more than an audiophile and listener, somewhat an amateur audio engineer but this is how I feel about the situation. What do you think? I am so glad I joined this forum because we've had some very interesting and stimulating conversations on here. Again thanks for the interesting read. God Bless. -Kevin --- Amy Mousie wrote: --------------------------------- --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell wrote: > > Amy, > > Thanks, enjoyed reading the post. I agree with > you that current analogue broadcasting is superior to > this digital stuff. The reason it is is because they > limit the digital stuff so much. It can be much > better if they don't limit everything. Compression wouldn't be so bad if they used the best-capable algorhythms- In this case, the open-source AAC is better than Lucent's proprietary PAC. But even thsat's not the real issue to me- If they didn't advertise it sounds better than it actually does, I wouldn't have any issues with that. To me, digital's fine, if done right. Unfortunately, IBOC leaves alot to be desired, especially on the transport. > The one thing > i've always liked about AM is it's distance. Same here, especioally since I live in a rural county. > They actually sound much > better than the station that went to digital because > it seemed that when they went to digital it hurt their > normal analogue signal. I don't get that station > nearly as clear on analogue as I did before they > switched to HD. I also hear some other noise and > trash in the signal when their is silence and no it > isn't the 19khz pilot tone. The station is actually weaker, because of the broader power distribution across an even wider bandwidth- FM-IBOC covers something like 250kHz of bandwidth (non-IBOC FM is about 200kHz). FM is made up of baseband audio to 15kHz, with added subcarriers to the baseband. The 19kHz pilot (and everything else) is filtered out above the baseband audio. The pilot's harmonic acts as a carrier insertion to the suppressed-carrier dual-sideband AM centered at 38kHz, which carries the stereo difference (L-R) information. Nearly all the noise one gets from interference and weak-signal noise is introduced here. Additional subcarriers are used at 57kHz (RDS/RBDS- Radio Data Service, which displays station call/slogan, etc.), 67 & 92kHz (SCA- narrow FM subsidiary communications services, sometimes audio, sometimes data). The IBOC digital starts above this at around 100kHz, but they often tell stations to forsake any SCA at 92kHz due to interference. This is how the subcarriers look, excluding IBOC: http://www.compolinc.com/images/scachart.gif The more subcarriers, the less power going to the main carriers. This is why it's actually better for an FM station to broadcast mono, because stereo will take a good chunck of coverage area. (AM stereo, on the other hand, doesn't use subcarriers, but rather uses a co-carrier, and thus the power/bandwith distribution that occuyrs on FM doesn't apply to AM, hence one of the greratest myths of AM stereo.) > Let me ask. Since FM's > stero pilot tone is 19khz what frequency is AM > stereo's pilot tone? 25Hz, inserted into the quadrature, and thus filtered out. Most audio is filtered out below 50Hz, anyway, or just filter out below 50HZ in the quadrature (L-R) signal. This allows a theoretically unlimited bandwidth, but practical bandwidth is under 12kHz. Some AMS stations have been known to exceed 20kHz audio. > Amy I agree that College > stations are a good way of getting your feet wet, too > bad I didn't get to do that at Clemson when I was > there. I am 32 so when I say getting into > broadcasting i'm talking about going back to school > and at the same time seeing if I can get my foot in > the door somewhere at a station to get experience. There are people at the local university station, KHSU, Humboldt State University in Arcata, at 90.5MHz FM who are of all ages. There is no requirement to be a student at the university to intern there. Just ask at your local college or university for any openings at their stations, and go for it. :) Some of the DJs at KHSU are in their 60s and 70s. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Mar 29 01:55:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79994 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2006 09:55:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2006 09:55:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2006 09:55:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2006 09:54:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2006 09:54:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:54:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060329081912.69015.qmail@web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.56.162 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=lX1poFwquHaGqtZIidLsHXKqRBrjUGRe6vz8sgXlaeAAR9z7 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 wrote: > > Amy, >=20 > Thanks once again for a well thought out post. I > enjoy reading your posts.=20 Thank you. I always try to share what I learn, and I'm still=20 learning. :) > Ok I got ya now and i've > learned a lot about radio recently that I didn't know. There's alot out there to learn. :) > I should have thought to ask this. Ok since FM is > limited to 15khz in the audible range and the 19khz > tone is located in the non audible range then why do > they place MPX filters on tape decks? I mean I know > that apparently it causes the Dolby noise reduction > circuits to act improperly but since it's not audible > is this rubbish? Perhaps the deck still picks up > something that causes that circuit to go ary. I have > taped both with MPX filter switched in and out and I > haven't had any dolby mistracking problems. I used to > not use it for the very fact that I thought that it > would limit 19 khz high frequencies but now I know > that FM is limited to 15 khz that doesn't matter and I > can use the MPX.=20 Imagine if you had an FM mono receiver. That's right- Unfiltered. :)=20 Now, you see... This is fine in FM mono broadcasters, since it=20 actually allows for a greater range, not limiting itself to the 15kHz=20 it would normally have, if broazdcasting in stereo. But if you have a=20 weak stereo signal, you switch to mono....and you get a 19kHz tone,=20 so that's when you switch on the MPX filter. > This is interesting stuff. I am one > of the rare ones that has never heard AM stereo > however I am a supporter of it. I remember as a young > kid thinking "boy it would be nice if AM were in > stereo".=20 There are several sites with MP3 samples of AMS, but I don't think=20 thet would be enough for you- You need anm AMS receiver for yourself.=20 Do yourself a favour and contact Jeff Deck, the proprietor of=20 http://www.meduci.com and ask about his $125 AMS receiver. All that=20 I've heard about it is this is an excellent tuner, and really does a=20 good job at pulling in the stations. (I have yet to get one for=20 myself, and give an "unbiased mouse's ear" review, as right now, I'm=20 working on getting a DRM setup going here. Maybe by the summer. :) > To me these days FM sounds tinny and thin.=20 > It has so much processing introduced. I imagine what > radio would sound like without processing and > limiters.=20 That'd be fine, if thedy weren't oftentimes a necessity. Radio is=20 inherently noisy, and need to maintain some listenability under=20 various conditions. This isn't to say all processing is good- Quite a=20 few are so bad, they're unbearable, and then there are the gems that=20 really deliver good sound. Processing's even a necessity with the L-R=20 matrixing, in which both AM and FM have their limitations with. > I also understand > that AM stations actually can broadcast a signal just > as good in quality as an FM station but are limited by > the FCC.=20 True. The NRSC standard is 10.2kHz. But what beauty can come of=20 that! :) > Also I have heard the other reason is that > most receivers aren't made to actually receive a > higher quality signal even if the AM station sent one > out.=20 Quite correct. This, sadly, has led to the myth of AM's inferior=20 quality. > I do think that AM tuners made today are weaker > than a lot of older ones.=20 Quite true. > Thank God for people like Bill Norman down at WNMB who > still believes in local programming and personality.=20 WNMB is setting the standard. > I do actually think that radio is on the cusp of a > huge revival and heres the reason. A lot has been > made and said about Satellite Radio (XM and Sirius).=20 > Well they are good for some reasons such as musical > variety but I don't think the quality is what it's > marketed as.=20 Actually, that varies from service to service. I do have XM. Most of=20 their music channels sound fine (although I've noticed some MS-stereo=20 issues with sharp lef/right-only audio), but for news/talk, it could=20 vary from fine (BBC) to very poor (the traffic/weather channels, plus=20 the two Canadian news services offered). But reception is excellent,=20 and I've had few issues with receiving. > Anyway a lot has been said about how > good it is and yadda yadda.=20 It's not bad. > I think what this is > going to do is force over the air radio to rediscover > local programming because people cannot get local > programming over satellite. I think radio will become > more localized the way it was in the 60s and 70s. At > least thats what I theorise. It's the same as > satellite TV. People still want their local > programming. I think that in order to turn the > industry around the execs need to realise this and > cash in on local programming and push it heavily.=20 > Perhaps PSA's about it to make people realise that > over the air radio is stil very important and here to > stay. I truly believe that satellite radio may have > reversely helped over the air broadcast radio in this > fashion.=20 Only one of our radio stations here truly gave the "live and local"=20 concept its test over the New Year's, when we had the great New=20 Year's winter storms that caujsed so much devastation. That was KHUM,=20 licensed to Garberville, at 104.3, with studios in Fernale and=20 Eureka. They were the ONLY ones in this area that kept the region=20 informed during the week-long power outage and the road cleanups. And now they're advertising with that fact. People are listening, and=20 they found that KHUM did what no-one else was even capable of doing. This is what I mean by "community radio"- That's going to be the real=20 saviour of broadcasting. Digital ultimately means nothing if you=20 don't actually serve your community of license. Far too often, the economics of broadcasting simply meant opening up=20 a shop, get some cheap programming and work the advertisers. It's all=20 about the money. I have nothing against advertising, if done right, and I do mean so=20 within the context of being a vehicle of community service that a=20 station must be. This gets forgotten. I don't even care WHAT format=20 is used, just serve your community well. If radio actually operated like this, I don't think anyone would be=20 taking the notion of digital-as-radio's-saviour so readily. But it=20 can't, since there is nothing to draw, much less keep lisxteners=20 tuning in. McRadio doesn't work. > Now i'm nothing more than an audiophile and > listener, somewhat an amateur audio engineer but this > is how I feel about the situation. What do you think? > I am so glad I joined this forum because we've had > some very interesting and stimulating conversations on > here. Again thanks for the interesting read. God > Bless. I don't call myself an audiophile by any means- For me, it's all=20 about the experience. The experience on AM and FM are different from=20 each other, and different from satellite, CDs and MP3s. And AM stereo is one of the greatest radio experiences of all, in my=20 humble opinion. If it wasn';t for KFI of Los Angeles back in the days=20 of Top 40, I would probably never have gotten into AM stereo in the=20 first place, but I've always appreciated the pleasure and experience=20 of listening to stereo- platform shift, l.ightning strikes and all-=20 over great distances, and thank God there are at least two Canadians=20 I can listen to at night in glorious AM stereo! Radio is not dead- It will rise once more, reinventing itself, like a=20 phoenix. And hopefully, WNMB is the harbinger of a great future for=20 AM and AM stereo. Hopefully many more follow in Bill's footsteps. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Mar 29 07:21:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55743 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2006 15:21:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2006 15:21:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2006 15:21:21 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-194-40.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.194.40] helo=PossumHunter) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FOcTf-0003sN-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 10:20:55 -0500 Message-ID: <034401c65344$5e70f360$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060329081912.69015.qmail@web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 10:20:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=A6k1x_Thq3VYi5FWNDIlSTI7aYiiCeNmvo3h0AlruNG-2-PEITeSWOGQ7V82kQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: >I am one of the rare ones that has never heard AM stereo however I am a >supporter of it. AM Stereo got off to a VERY bad start in Greenville. Oldies WFBC 1330 tried C-QUAM on their old RCA Ampliphase transmitter with horrible results. Urban WHYZ 1070 Tried C-QUAM on their old Harris VP-50, but the VP-50 just will not work right in Stereo. They also never corrected the phase problems in their antenna system. Country WESC 660 was in Harris Stereo, but just unplugged it instead of converting to C-QUAM. Southern Gospel WHPB 1390 sounded good in Stereo until they went broke and sold the stereo equipment. Urban WMTY 1090 also sounded GREAT in C-QUAM but turned it off a while back. For a very short time, WRIX 1020 was Stereo, but went Mono when they increased to 10KW. the old WRIX MW1A went to WPCC 1410, but the Stereo equipment disappeared. WGSW 1350 was Stereo until the station burned to the ground. Today, you can get C-QUAM from WPCI 1490 (using WESC's old Stereo Generator!) and WGCR 720. WPCI is replacing the RF plant to convert to HD-Radio. > >To me these days FM sounds tinny and thin. It has so much processing >introduced. I remember when ALL FMs sounded like WMUU-FM sounds today! > > I imagine what radio would sound like without processing and limiters. > If broadcasters were allowed to play CD's in their full quality and > allowed to broadcast out to 20 kHz We had that on AM before the NRSC standard. We could have had that sound quality on FM if the FCC would have chosen the technically superior Crosley FM Stereo system. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Mar 29 08:21:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55919 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2006 16:21:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2006 16:21:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm12.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.43) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2006 16:21:35 -0000 Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.203]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k2TGL6bJ017427 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 11:21:07 -0500 X-ORBL: [68.76.219.194] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-76-219-194.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.219.194]) by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id k2TGL6r5216522 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 11:21:10 -0500 Message-ID: <005701c6534c$ca05de80$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <20060329081912.69015.qmail@web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <034401c65344$5e70f360$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 11:21:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0613-1, 03/29/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=yZ-S26baupw9zgFvp2De5m88X8P2MWo-vLT-hbsCFOn7trg X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >>To me these days FM sounds tinny and thin. It has so much processing >>introduced. > > I remember when ALL FMs sounded like WMUU-FM sounds today! Isn't WMUU the Bob Jones University STATION? If so don't they play a lot of Classical and Opera? From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Mar 29 09:21:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6201 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2006 17:21:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2006 17:21:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2006 17:21:24 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-194-40.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.194.40] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FOeLq-0000al-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:20:58 -0500 Message-ID: <037801c65355$23bd1e40$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060329081912.69015.qmail@web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <034401c65344$5e70f360$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> <005701c6534c$ca05de80$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:20:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=fi_gS0c0zEwJk3d6W6gUQayxxtd3qVAV7QERdQUF9NM5eLuDSZlpvm-r4cKwOg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Jim Burgan wrote: > Isn't WMUU the Bob Jones University STATION? Yes > > If so don't they play a lot of Classical and Opera? Yes on the FM. The AM is all Religious Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Mar 29 09:37:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60313 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2006 17:37:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2006 17:37:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.214) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2006 17:37:48 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n23.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2006 17:36:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2006 17:36:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2006 17:36:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:36:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <034401c65344$5e70f360$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.21.5 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=48hiCXyFYyojE0efE29cAkRBlay6_tltIyhS695d8axTI8AB X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > We had that on AM before the NRSC standard. We could have had that=20 sound=20 > quality on FM if the FCC would have chosen the technically superior=20 Crosley=20 > FM Stereo system. Yes, the CROSBY system- the FIRST FM stereo system in use in the US,=20 demonstrated in 1952 (and was the impetus of Kahn's attempts at=20 introducing AM stereo, starting in 1953)- was superior, but was=20 rejected based on one flaw: it didn't allow for a minimum of two SCA=20 services under 100kHz. (It only allowed one.) This was why the=20 GE/Zenith FM stereo system was chosen, over a field of at least 5=20 contenders. Had the Crosby system compromised (by using a narrower=20 deviation for its FM-modulated L-R channel) and moved a bit lower in=20 the baseband (it could've been done- Between '52 and '60, Murray G.=20 Crosby made several modifications to his system, but they weren't=20 enough- The L-R FM deviation was AF+15kHz, which you'd think he=20 could've borrowed from RCA is drop it down to 1kHz deviation, as was=20 in RCA's AM/FM AMS scheme (which Belar dropped further down to=20 300Hz) Had he done so, there could've been room for more than one=20 SCA channel), and we would've had a superior stereo range and lower=20 noise floor than we do now. I wish I had more technical data on the Crosby system, and even some=20 help on building experimental transmitters and receivers. (Schems for=20 the latter exist, but I haven't seen them online.) It would be=20 interesting to experiment with this system in this day. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Mar 29 10:20:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15607 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2006 14:20:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2006 14:20:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2006 14:20:56 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-194-40.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.194.40] helo=PossumHunter) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FObUw-0005Ix-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:18:10 -0500 Message-ID: <02a501c6533b$9a5f4ab0$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060329050256.22334.qmail@web25809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:18:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=_td9vXqSY3GMrmH_UafibOYd4AXJ6VbMqf0PL5855zplT5FHBzZSiAzYZe7YcA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: >The one thing i've always liked about AM is it's distance. FM, if you are >driving long distances, doesn't stay with you nearly as long as a good AM >station. This depends on ground conductivity and terrain. Here in Florida, the Class C FMs can be heard from coast to coast, but the AMs fizzel out pretty quick except for over-water paths. > >Here in Greenville, SC we only have one station I think that is digital and >that is an FM station and is owned by Clear Channel. WBZT and WSSL is broadcasting in HD-Radio. > > I have noticed that the digital stations usually are Clear Channel and > that Entercom sticks with analogue. Entercom is a big investor in Ibiquity. The entire Entercom cluster in Greenville is licensed for HD-Radio. Entercom is converting the larger markets first, then they will convert the medium markets like Greenville-Spartanburg. WPCI is also licensed to convert, but their plant will have to be replaced first. > >They actually sound much better than the station that went to digital >because it seemed that when they went to digital it hurt their normal >analogue signal. I don't get that station nearly as clear on analogue as I >did before they switched to HD. HD reduces the analog coverage by about 15% on FM. It also reduces modulation level, so stations crank up the processing even MORE to try to stay as loud. > >I also hear some other noise and trash in the signal when their is silence At my location, my GE Superadio's AFC will lock onto the HD sideband instead of the main analog signal when listening to WCFB-FM 94.5. It also locks on WCFB's digital signal when I am trying to listen to DX station WSJT 94.1 The other HD stations do the same thing. > >what frequency is AM stereo's pilot tone? C-QUAM's pilot is 25 Hz in the L-R. This is why C-QUAM stations have to filter out the bass at 50Hz. Kahn ISB and CAM-D uses a 15Hz pilot. Kahn Exciters filter the bass at 20Hz. This keeps automation tones and turntable rumble from interfering with the Stereo signal. > >I agree that College stations are a good way of getting your feet wet, too >bad I didn't get to do that at Clemson when I was there. You are in luck! WNCW http://www.wncw.org/ will allow you to go on the air and get your feet wet even if you are NOT a student at Isothermal! Another way to get on the air is try a few of the Daytimer Mom & Pop Bible banger AM stations and LP-FMs. They will work anybody who is willing to work for FREE or minimum wage. The Gospel Hour http://www.thegospelhour.org/ will train you for FREE if you are wanting network or syndication experience. > >I still believe in Tape!! Me too! I wouldn't get rid of my 2-track Revox PR-99 for love or money. I like the sound of Quantegy 456 Tape. It ain't cheap, but it sounds SWEET. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 29 16:58:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92372 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 00:58:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 00:58:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 00:58:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2006 00:54:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2006 00:54:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 00:54:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c652b6$eb8b0580$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.220.88 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: C-QUAM L-R Bandwidth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=Ab-xuqHItOYQvcC_2CBRUyyYN3uvnM_lEWWM2JtU31sOGXmhxg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I was reading some old literature on the different AM Stereo > systems introduced in the 80's--- C-QUAM, Kahn, Harris, Belar and > Magnavox.... I ran into a curious bit of information comparing the > bandwidths of the L-R channels on various systems. It said that > C-QUAM was limited to a maximum of 7.5 KHz to stay within allotted > bandwidth. Kahn ISB was worse with an L-R bandwidth of only 5 k. > Harris was supposed to be able to get full separation up to 10 kHz. > This makes me wonder what is the current standard for C-QUAM? What > I was reading was before the NRSC Standards for AM were mandated in > the late 80's... How did that effect C-QUAM's L-R? This is one specification which newer generations of C-Quam exciters=20 have been able to improve. With modern equipment and a well-tuned=20 tower system, AM Stereo stations can provide full stereo separation=20 up to 10 kHz without exceeding the NRSC bandwidth standard. That's the kind of "world-class" sound which used to make the big 50 kW clear channel stations sound so good when most of them=20 transmitted AM Stereo, as compared to the smaller stations using=20 older equipment and towers. One station in particular which=20 impressed me was 960 KABL in the San Francisco area, which used to=20 have excellent high-frequency stereo separation, even though they're=20 only 5 kW and have a three-tower directional array to deal with.=20=20 (BTW, I just noticed that 960 is now KQKE "The Quake" -- the historic=20 KABL call letters and Adult Standards music format have been moved to=20 1460 in Salinas, CA, about 100 miles southeast of where the old KABL=20 used to be.) Anyway, although the other AM Stereo systems are now defunct, if you=20 look closely at the details posted on Leonard Kahn's web site ( http://www.wrathofkahn.org ), you'll notice that the SSB effect of=20 his Power-Side system is restricted to audio below 5 kHz -- a remnant=20 of the spectral characteristics of the AM Stereo system upon which it=20 is based. From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Mar 29 17:02:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47528 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 01:02:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 01:02:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.64) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 01:02:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 90547 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Mar 2006 01:02:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20060330010201.90545.qmail@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.131] by web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:02:01 PST Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:02:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <005701c6534c$ca05de80$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=OyvVh2tQKPw4HK9FQiiMN8pcRxFGoCkhw0J6rVvMZX4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Jim Burgan wrote: > >>To me these days FM sounds tinny and thin. It has > so much processing > >>introduced. > > > > I remember when ALL FMs sounded like WMUU-FM > sounds today! > > > Isn't WMUU the Bob Jones University STATION? > If so don't they play a lot of Classical and Opera? Beautiful Music. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From w6yn@juno.com Wed Mar 29 22:06:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89124 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 06:06:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 06:06:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 06:06:37 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABCCY7KSAXCGVYJ for (sender ); Wed, 29 Mar 2006 22:05:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LLPJ6B8C; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 22:05:17 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 22:04:33 -0800 Message-ID: <20060329.220435.796.6.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-5,12-13 X-ContentStamp: 6:3:59913528 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLFaw/WgZbXv7szZsmxtOiEM= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Entercom Expects X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=YoJacemEZwM-6ALOpLTkZW_JIgowrrUm4QOLgfnefA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Entercom Expects to Have 60 HD Stations By Year's End Entercom CFO Steve Fisher said today at the Banc of America Media Conference in New York that the company now has 30 stations broadcasting in HD and expects to double that by the end of 2006. Asked if the radio industry is spending enough to market itself and HD Radio, Fisher said, "We're very comfortable with what we're spending." But he acknowledged that Entercom is not seeing significant top-line acceleration in Q2. Fisher added that the company does not believe recent spot-price weakness is a function of Clear Channel's "Less Is More" inventory reduction initiative and the company's subsequent ratings success. Fisher added that Entercom has not seen any disparity between CC and non-CC markets. However, the company is seeing greater disparity in growth between markets, with higher highs and lower lows found across the nation. Fisher said it's not clear what is driving the increased volatility. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Mar 30 06:21:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+jW1e+7+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9944 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 14:21:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 14:21:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 14:21:35 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.78]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 67686490 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 08:18:02 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c65404$cfbfe560$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 08:18:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 5, in=8, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.78 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tampa Bay Business Journal: Radio Shack closing four stores in Tampa Bay area- 2006-03-24 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=PLOdh4JoUFqq7NtMZQtp0bGRyAy88GUR581ZnVe2XWlEoaRKn6Mb X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Like what? About the only thing I get there anymore are the little prototyping boards. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff" > This might be a good time to stockpile those items not available > from other sources. - > -- > In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > > > This could be bad news for those of us who have relied on Radio > Shack for > > small hard-to-get electronic items. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Mar 30 06:28:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+jW1e+7+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62449 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 14:28:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 14:28:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 14:28:22 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.78]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 65505685 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 08:28:10 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c65406$39ff2fc0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 08:28:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 16, in=9, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.78 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=hwpA8lZzU2YmzvrmPotR_Z8GXybIIys8GZuVdU3kemtNIk7JTTxS X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Actually I have been. I had the drivers replaced in a set of Pro 4As (the original, real heavy muthas), and they were so short on bass I couldn't believe it. Can't get ear pads for them anymore so I guess they're junk now. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" > > On-Air, Production, or anything else is the Koss PRO4AA. They are > the BEST > > cans you can buy. > > I personally recommend Koss. I've never been disappointed with tghe > sound of a Koss. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Mar 30 06:42:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+jW1e+7+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3375 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 14:42:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 14:42:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 14:42:10 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.78]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 68307087 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 08:41:42 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <009601c65408$1e9e4c00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060328085910.65932.qmail@web25806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 08:42:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.211.78 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=E1N5-IzmF6MQEJUWq0DW3dlb7hXnA5jvDAy9vUc-MgTT8nlmkq0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Sonys are too fragile, by and large, even their so-called pro models. Sennheiser has these cheapies you can get 5/$100 from BSW, and they're fairly rugged for the price. When they break you just start using the next set. Of course if it's just the plug that got damaged, they're easy to replace. Your best bet would be to put this qustion on one of the radio tech forums. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" > Ok DJ's and personalities. What headphones do you > guys use on the air? I am considering buying a new > pair because my 12 year old Sony MDR-V202 digital > monitors are wearing out. I am considering the > MDR-V700DJ model by Sony. What do you guys think > about his model? Should I go with that or the 7505 or > 7509 made by Sony? I've talked to some DJ's up here > and the MDR-V700DJ seems to be popular. Any ideas?? From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Mar 30 06:43:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+jW1e+7+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82825 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 14:43:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 14:43:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 14:43:36 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.78]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 65507566 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 08:36:35 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <009201c65407$67388760$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060328085436.18498.qmail@web25801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 08:36:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 16, in=10, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.78 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Post Script X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=HqL7ukM-HuWx9KwsGc6O-w_-NN493xOP0HgiezPaOgPX3e32BPHc X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You don't want to pan more than 4-5db off center. Makes it hard for the decoders, plus keeping it somewhat centered keeps the overall volume of the participants up. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" > You know I just cannot understand why anyone would > want to broadcast in mono period. Even some > interesting things could be done with talk stations in > stereo such as if the show has two hosts panning one > right and one left. Hey if there were three people > talking then you'd have to pan one center! :o) See > stereo could even be interesting on talk! Ok I know > the reason why though deals with the stereo carrier > and with talk it clears up the sound and boosts the > signal to do it in mono but it might still be > interesting to hear a talk show broadcast that way. > Maybe Bill at WNMB will play with the pan pots on his > mixer when he does a local talk show, that would be > interesting! But really i'm a music person and hey > it's just GOT to be STEREO!! God Bless Yall! From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Mar 30 06:49:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+jW1e+7+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95577 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 14:49:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 14:49:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 14:49:28 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.78]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 67690528 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 08:34:21 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <008801c65407$17a2fe60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060328085047.15846.qmail@web25804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 08:34:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 5, in=9, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.78 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=bF6lH6yVz3tM2hAbex4u1c1CPsEKmER4NUOYq_GIwH4uYGrWtsAf X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Are you talking engineering or on air? If the latter I'd say forget it, though TR is right the industry needs more engineers. Moreover there are a number of good engineering message boards you can subscribe to and learn a great deal. You'll feel like you're in over your head at first, but keep reminding yourself that failure is not an option and you'll make a great engineer. I know- I remember when I got my CE position. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" > I am possibly a budding broadcaster. I am 32 > and thinking of going back to school for it. I know a > local college that has a two year program in it and > they Co-Op you out in a station so you can get your > foot in the door. Just trying to learn all I can > about whats going on in the industry. > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Mar 30 07:04:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+jW1e+7+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17541 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 15:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 15:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 15:04:40 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.78]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 65510789 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 08:49:30 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <009e01c65409$357c1140$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 08:49:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 16, in=11, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.78 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Post Script X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=TlytbFwZOQLqwSd-0CWjnjvKuc9HG7EK5BnQ7jdeaWp65VHoSXaQ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude For those doing mostly talk there isn't much stereo to be had. Programs that come off the bird are almost entirely mono as the extra bandwidth for stereo is a largely unnecessary expense. With newer methods of coding stereo in a low bit-rate format it would be possible to accomodate stereo on the current mono streams for the bumper music and such, but then stations would have to replace the demod cards in their satellite receivers, and the new cards don't yet exist. As far as mandating receiver standards, it's been tried. A fellow AM stereo broadcaster, Larry Langford of WGTO radio in Mich., and myself attempted just that back in 1999, IIRC. Didn't get too far with it, even with a write-up in Radio World. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Norman" > For most broadcasters who still broadcast in mono it's one of two > things. For some it has been a budget consideration. There's a cost > of several thousand dollars to convert your audio chain. For most, > however, it has probably been the overall lack of AM Stereo receivers. > It has become over the years now like a chicken and the egg thing. > If more AM stations went stereo, would more receivers come along? The > answer is probably yes if the radio stations would actually promote > and educate about AM Stereo. > A lot of stations have been waiting for digital. What a > disappointment for to me to have found out all I now know about IBOC > and AM. If IBOC is the solution for AM, then we have a serious > problem. > What if the government required all new receivers to have at least > AMAX quality and to have the c-quam chip installed? > The government gave us a quick choice on an FM Standard. The > government mandated all tv tuners would be equipped with UHF. The > government settle on HD. Why can the government not mandate receiver > quality and AM Stereo? > From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Mar 30 07:05:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47068 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 15:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 15:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.191) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 15:05:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 23225 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Mar 2006 15:03:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20060330150357.23223.qmail@web25806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.159.125.231] by web25806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 07:03:57 PST Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 07:03:57 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <008801c65407$17a2fe60$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=hJHbWOSXaCXkYfta1tIlc39xoktpr44XwAZQsKn6S-QHz-oEe2z4 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Scott, No i'm self taught. What I meant was that I was an amateur. I know that i'm no pro. I have to say though that im 32 and been messing with the stuff since I was a kid and am pretty good at live recording and mixing. Thats what I meant. Wasn't trying to boast, I was just sorta making a passing statement to mean that I enjoy that kind of stuff. Wasn't trying to mislead anyone into thinking I was a professeional sound engineer. -Kevin --- Scott Todd wrote: --------------------------------- Are you talking engineering or on air? If the latter I'd say forget it, though TR is right the industry needs more engineers. Moreover there are a number of good engineering message boards you can subscribe to and learn a great deal. You'll feel like you're in over your head at first, but keep reminding yourself that failure is not an option and you'll make a great engineer. I know- I remember when I got my CE position. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" > I am possibly a budding broadcaster. I am 32 > and thinking of going back to school for it. I know a > local college that has a two year program in it and > they Co-Op you out in a station so you can get your > foot in the door. Just trying to learn all I can > about whats going on in the industry. > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Mar 30 07:07:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+jW1e+7+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73220 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 15:07:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 15:07:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 15:07:36 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.78]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 67698498 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:07:34 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ca01c6540b$bb46f180$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:07:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 5, in=10, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.78 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=PseLrwMTjQYRq8nWJOFke2qUq-DjnnvQvcZpS5ISBgcrIxtg5OgU X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Much of that was due to two things- the invention of the transistor, which made radios so small the speakers were inherently low-fi, and the other was the FCC which bowed to pressure to allow too many stations on the AM dial. There was enough splatter that radio mfrs. narrowed the bandwidth, and to compensate the stations cranked up the high end creating more splatter. Another one of AM's problems was that the diode detectors used were inherently nonlinear and thus added distortion. With a synchronous detector the audio is much cleaner and approaches FM quality. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > > Also I have heard the other reason is that > > most receivers aren't made to actually receive a > > higher quality signal even if the AM station sent one > > out. > > Quite correct. This, sadly, has led to the myth of AM's inferior > quality. > > > I do think that AM tuners made today are weaker > > than a lot of older ones. > > Quite true. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Mar 30 07:12:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+jW1e+7+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40831 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 15:12:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 15:12:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 15:12:53 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.78]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 67699445 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:12:00 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d201c6540c$5a273ee0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060329050256.22334.qmail@web25809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:12:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 5, in=11, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.78 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=Nxzluv18vgj6IwDBTemqlhTU8VpjoB5KC-dJQKE2Jd2-CIJxfcvv X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Entercom just hasn't gotten around to adding it in your market. They've converted their larger markets such as Seattle. Another point I forgot to address to one of Amy's posts- the digital sidebands DON'T typically reduce coverage on FM. These are typically created by a separate transmitter and diplexed into the same antenna. The only way they could is in high multipath areas where the digital creates interference to an already compromised analog. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" > I have noticed that the digital stations usually are > Clear Channel and that Entercom sticks with analogue. > Like I said Clear Channel is the only one here that > has digital and they are the minority because Entercom > has more of the market share, more stations. All of > Entercom's are analogue. They actually sound much > better than the station that went to digital because > it seemed that when they went to digital it hurt their > normal analogue signal. I don't get that station > nearly as clear on analogue as I did before they > switched to HD. > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Mar 30 07:18:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+jW1e+7+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94562 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 15:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 15:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 15:18:20 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.78]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 68315777 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:18:14 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e601c6540d$38947800$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060329081912.69015.qmail@web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <034401c65344$5e70f360$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:18:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.78 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=HaUnKEwZyebRrnBqOPiuL8tP0TDfh6ipHzfDkKMt3cGozWu0Sx_j X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I know that the 5kW Amplifuzz transmitters couldn't pass stereo. Worked with a guy who was CE at KFGO for a time and he says that one of the happiest days of his life was when he was able to shut off that transmitter and use the other one for stereo. I'm surprised the VP-50 didn't pass stereo- it's a simple high level transmitter. Might have to work the drivers a bit harder with broadbanded interstage tuning circuits, but that's about all. My bet is most of the problems were in the antenna system. When WPCI turns on the hash, see if you can get their old stereo genny. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > > AM Stereo got off to a VERY bad start in Greenville. Oldies WFBC 1330 tried > C-QUAM on their old RCA Ampliphase transmitter with horrible results. Urban > WHYZ 1070 Tried C-QUAM on their old Harris VP-50, but the VP-50 just will > not work right in Stereo. They also never corrected the phase problems in > their antenna system. > > Today, you can get C-QUAM from WPCI 1490 (using WESC's old Stereo > Generator!) and WGCR 720. WPCI is replacing the RF plant to convert to > HD-Radio. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Mar 30 07:25:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+jW1e+7+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90891 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 15:25:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 15:25:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 15:25:37 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.78]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 67702819 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:25:30 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f201c6540e$3ce8c180$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060329050256.22334.qmail@web25809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <02a501c6533b$9a5f4ab0$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:25:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 5, in=12, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.78 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=F-P3JpzXgX7arW289UGa2pCaZVsdrqASOr_--nMVPl0Eypx2YLRp X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I've got boxes of Quantegy tape on new 10" reels. Will send anyone interested a carton of 10 for the price of shipping. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > >I still believe in Tape!! > > Me too! I wouldn't get rid of my 2-track Revox PR-99 for love or money. I > like the sound of Quantegy 456 Tape. It ain't cheap, but it sounds SWEET. > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Mar 30 07:51:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+jW1e+7+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94950 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 15:50:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 15:50:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 15:50:57 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.78]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 68182547 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:50:53 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <012e01c65411$c76e2720$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060330150357.23223.qmail@web25806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:51:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 15, in=12, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.78 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=jb1WYpPcGKEcYLDkvPsu-ahOOIiFlqXv-8MqX_-5HmnXHw3qEH3G X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I got that part. What I was wondering is where your interests are- on air or engineering? Engineering pays OK in most places, but announcers can work up to a decade before they can afford a house payment. If you want to work in a recording studio, might want to move to Nashville. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" > No i'm self taught. What I meant was that I was an > amateur. I know that i'm no pro. I have to say > though that im 32 and been messing with the stuff > since I was a kid and am pretty good at live recording > and mixing. Thats what I meant. > From frankh@habu.dtdns.net Thu Mar 30 08:18:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: frankh@habu.dtdns.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89365 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 16:18:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 16:18:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO habu.dtdns.net) (216.231.42.28) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 16:18:38 -0000 Received: from naha.habu.dtdns.net ([192.168.0.4]) by habu.dtdns.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k2UGIVUk000382 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 08:18:32 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060330081716.034bc138@habu.dtdns.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 08:18:30 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00f201c6540e$3ce8c180$d503fea9@stodd> References: <20060329050256.22334.qmail@web25809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <02a501c6533b$9a5f4ab0$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> <00f201c6540e$3ce8c180$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 216.231.42.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Frank Hansche Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78221270; y=7QGQC9G4LnLBQrJ5CGGGBRsZbYehuZF1tdqh7oNJtMSYGt4zT0vI X-Yahoo-Profile: frankh192000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll take it. Contact me at ehr1700@hotmail.com on how I can pay you. Frank At 07:25 AM 3/30/2006, you wrote: >I've got boxes of Quantegy tape on new 10" reels. Will send anyone >interested a carton of 10 for the price of shipping. > >Scott Todd > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Possum Hunter" > > > >I still believe in Tape!! > > > > Me too! I wouldn't get rid of my 2-track Revox PR-99 for love or money. I > > like the sound of Quantegy 456 Tape. It ain't cheap, but it sounds SWEET. > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > >---------- >YAHOO! 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Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.3/296 - Release Date: 3/29/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 10:31:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98633 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 18:31:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 18:31:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.215) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 18:31:26 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n24.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2006 18:31:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2006 18:31:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2006 18:31:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:31:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007501c65406$39ff2fc0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.75.171 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=jAIUmdqEZazYpbHa4mxOWMmMulkDQ8Otz_AmwIeF4b1Lcq_D X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > Actually I have been. I had the drivers replaced in a set of Pro=20 4As (the > original, real heavy muthas), and they were so short on bass I=20 couldn't > believe it. Can't get ear pads for them anymore so I guess they're=20 junk > now. If I recall, the originals weren't very good onn the bass. This,=20 however, hasn't be3en my experience over the last 20+ years. For me, I can't used enclosed earphones (due to chronic ear=20 infections), so I use open-air 'phones. I prefer a deep, crisp bass=20 without sacrificing trebel clarity, so I've been using Koss Porta- Pros and Porta-Pro Jrs. over the years, as well as the occasional=20 Koss-made RadioShack headphone. I've tried other brands- Sonys,=20 Sennheisers- and have been disappointed with their bass and overall=20 quality of sound. I've been happy with Koss over the years. :) (And=20 yes, I like to FEEL the bass, and my Porta-Pros delive3r. :) ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Mar 30 13:47:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+jW1e+7+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24449 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 21:47:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 21:47:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 21:47:00 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.17]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 67781025 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:46:58 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c65443$881298e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060329050256.22334.qmail@web25809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <02a501c6533b$9a5f4ab0$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> <00f201c6540e$3ce8c180$d503fea9@stodd> <7.0.0.16.2.20060330081716.034bc138@habu.dtdns.net> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:47:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 17, in=21, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.17 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=qsqdl7Co7fPcM_cWJgl_Q3NgiLRJRWdoLKVoqdsjpKku29vv-H1O X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Personal reply sent. BTW- I should also point out that I also have a few boxes of Quantegy tape pancakes; each pancake can fill a pair of 10-1/2" reels or a 14" reel. Same deal on those for anyone interested. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Hansche" > I'll take it. Contact me at ehr1700@hotmail.com on how I can pay you. > > Frank > > At 07:25 AM 3/30/2006, you wrote: > > >I've got boxes of Quantegy tape on new 10" reels. Will send anyone > >interested a carton of 10 for the price of shipping. > > > >Scott Todd From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Mar 30 13:50:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+jW1e+7+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22346 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 21:50:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 21:50:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 21:50:36 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.17]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 68395560 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:50:35 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c65444$09d06740$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:50:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 9, in=4, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.17 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS-Am Stereo will only live at night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=ojaAr0ctvTtcKZ4n5aFza5DO90WokOt__0tgz01Aq2S5HBDqWiVH X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Would that there were more engineers like him. No reason that couldn't have been the case at WJR and others. I'd bet if the old 'JR chief were still there they'd be doing that too. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" > Hi Brian, > > I'm glad you took the time to write to WLS and what a nice, personal response you received from their Chief Engineer, Warren Shulz. > > It's encouraging to know that he intends or at least wants to keep the a.m.stereo on at night. > From kjones_731@yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 14:18:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kjones_731@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41897 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 22:18:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 22:18:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web81903.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.182) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 22:18:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 87496 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Mar 2006 22:18:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20060330221856.87494.qmail@web81903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.223.135.219] by web81903.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:18:56 PST Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:18:56 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:10:0:0 From: Kirk Jones Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=58737040; y=40iX6_zgmnMAPsD_fwVz1wnRLCpdemiJZYI1IkBMxRaWxIu90g X-Yahoo-Profile: kjones_731 The best headphones I've had have been a pair of Grado labs SR60. I have them hooked up to a Panasonic RF-SW50 AM-FM walkman and it sounds great, FULL range bass and the headphones (open ear) don't mash your head. Like to listen to them at night when I can't sleep. FM stereo on them is good, sorry no AM stereo put the Panasonic has a very good tuner. Don't let the style of the headphones turn you off. They look like some shortwave radio phones from the 60's, but they don't sound that way. BTW I think the pro 4's were made by koss, they might have parts. --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" > wrote: > > > > Actually I have been. I had the drivers replaced > in a set of Pro > 4As (the > > original, real heavy muthas), and they were so > short on bass I > couldn't > > believe it. Can't get ear pads for them anymore > so I guess they're > junk > > now. > > If I recall, the originals weren't very good onn the > bass. This, > however, hasn't be3en my experience over the last > 20+ years. > > For me, I can't used enclosed earphones (due to > chronic ear > infections), so I use open-air 'phones. I prefer a > deep, crisp bass > without sacrificing trebel clarity, so I've been > using Koss Porta- > Pros and Porta-Pro Jrs. over the years, as well as > the occasional > Koss-made RadioShack headphone. I've tried other > brands- Sonys, > Sennheisers- and have been disappointed with their > bass and overall > quality of sound. I've been happy with Koss over the > years. :) (And > yes, I like to FEEL the bass, and my Porta-Pros > delive3r. :) ) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Mar 30 14:53:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+jW1e+7+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94366 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 22:53:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 22:53:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 22:53:11 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.17]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 67792599 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:53:10 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c6544c$c7fe0940$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060330221856.87494.qmail@web81903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:53:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 17, in=22, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.17 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=ucoeKVr8JWAuN0v5YwjZgMY_N6FlSnF78rQGBtQAXM6iNfP-1dLX X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The 4AAs yes, the 4As no. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Jones" BTW I think the pro 4's were > made by koss, they might have parts. > > > From badeditpro@charter.net Thu Mar 30 15:57:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66974 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 23:57:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 23:57:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf07.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.207) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 23:57:09 -0000 Received: from mxip12a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip12a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.142]) by mxsf07.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k2UNuN8w003801 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:56:23 -0500 Received: from 24-241-13-230.dhcp.rnrp.nc.charter.com (HELO yourfd6nvjcer4) ([24.241.13.230]) by mxip12a.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 18:56:24 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.03,148,1141621200"; d="scan'208,217"; a="164093826:sNHT32027422" Message-ID: <000601c65455$8ce6b100$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:56:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.28.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: RE: L-R Bandwidth\State of radio... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=l63-r6fAtf-zS5uuyTx6p4CpFuIGj1yeEfaWPxdc3MeqdAJ4uvzPXfWms691 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Kevin, I checked out Delta's web site and looked at the specs for their C-QUAM exciter. They have a minimum separation of 35 dB all the way up to ten k. I have mentioned before that I was with WTAR in the late 80's and I recall they had monster separation so that 7.5 k number sort of threw me for a loop. Echoing what someone else has already said here recently, I just can't for the life of me figure out why every single AM station in this country is not running stereo! I think we would be singing a very different tune about HD if the AM band was already providing the best quality audio that it is capable of. I know it's all water under the bridge in many respects now but reading about the plans for better transmitters, better antennas and better radios from the early days of AMS certainly makes one wonder what went wrong. I can tell you this, if AMS had really taken a hold like it was promised to do, you'd be hearing a lot more music on AM and much, much higher quality production values on Talk and Sports programming to boot... Can you imagine anyone purposefully putting a MONO FM station on now? Can you imagine any sort of contemporary network music oriented programming being fed to FM radio stations in mono? No. Radio on both the AM and FM band could sound so much better if the industry would just use the technology that is currently out there. We have audio processing technology now that can be almost invisible but most of the stations I hear are over processed, clipped to the point of distortion and generally unlistenable for any long period of time.... I'm sorry but that BUGS me and so does the lack of Stereo programming on AM. We don't need to reinvent the wheel to make radio sound better. (What HD is trying to do...) We really just need to take full advantage of the technology that is already our there... Rant over.... Feel better! :) Joe Collins [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Mar 30 16:49:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29860 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 01:28:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 01:28:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 01:28:42 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-199-71.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.199.71] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FOlxq-0002Mi-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 20:28:42 -0500 Message-ID: <055001c65399$45889b00$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060330010201.90545.qmail@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 20:28:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: WMUU Was: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=p8vTdCQb5uBtlVX-k3s-9QVLDVR1IEAfKZG8iGvaMScSLLQnWj4gZjja3wtB-g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 >> Isn't WMUU the Bob Jones University STATION? >> If so don't they play a lot of Classical and Opera? Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > Beautiful Music. A much better Beautiful / EZ station in the Upstate of South Carolina is WHLC-FM 104.5 http://www.whlc.com/ WHLC has better audio and better programming. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From mtgc@hotmail.com Thu Mar 30 16:52:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50276 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 00:52:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 00:52:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.45) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 00:52:29 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:52:08 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 00:52:03 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <00f201c6540e$3ce8c180$d503fea9@stodd> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:52:03 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Mar 2006 00:52:08.0495 (UTC) FILETIME=[566773F0:01C6545D] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=drYRXUOvBpjYF7267AdLXBOJfq9hBstZ6nDMw2wfhED30g2i_C_j X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 And, the shipping charges to zip 30125 would be what? And, do you take paypal or checks or what? MTGC (Michael) >From: "Scott Todd" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? >Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:25:51 -0600 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 >X-Sender: SRS0+jW1e+7+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com >Received: from n14b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com ([66.163.187.181]) by >bay0-mc1-f19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, >30 Mar 2006 07:46:53 -0800 >Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 >Mar 2006 15:25:39 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar >2006 15:25:39 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.30] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar >2006 15:25:39 -0000 >Received: (qmail 90891 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 15:25:37 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >30 Mar 2006 15:25:37 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by >mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 15:25:37 -0000 >Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.78]) by cpinternet.com >(SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 67702819 for >; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:25:30 -0600 CST >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHiEuEkzqckM0i9JwSZLwXikUM+izPnMms= >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >References: <20060329050256.22334.qmail@web25809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> ><02a501c6533b$9a5f4ab0$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 >X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 5, in=12, out=0, spam=0 >X-External-IP: 64.61.211.78 >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 >X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >List-Id: >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-22915-1143732339-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2006 15:46:53.0961 (UTC) >FILETIME=[2B05B790:01C65411] > >I've got boxes of Quantegy tape on new 10" reels. Will send anyone >interested a carton of 10 for the price of shipping. > >Scott Todd > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Possum Hunter" > > > >I still believe in Tape!! > > > > Me too! I wouldn't get rid of my 2-track Revox PR-99 for love or money. >I > > like the sound of Quantegy 456 Tape. It ain't cheap, but it sounds >SWEET. > > > From tomray@wor710.com Thu Mar 30 17:52:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46034 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 01:52:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 01:52:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 01:52:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2006 01:52:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2006 01:52:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 01:52:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c65455$8ce6b100$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: L-R Bandwidth\State of radio... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=bEaggpEuMPPz1VTWaT9ue9zI2SiS7tDEqHV594doNYGzMg0N X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Collins" wrote: =20=20 >=20 > Echoing what someone else has already said here recently, I just can't >for the life of me figure out why every single AM station in this >country is not running stereo!=20 Because every single AM station would need to spend money to do so....the same thing as going HD. Going AM stereo means the following needs to be done: - Your studio(s) need to be stereo, otherwise there is no point to going AM Stereo. Many stations would need to change consoles and/or source eqiupment. - You would need to purchase the C-Quam exciter and modulation monitor. - You would need to purchase new stereo processing to replace the mono processing. - You most likely would need to correct issues in the antenna system. Contrary to popular belief, AM Stereo isn't "plug and play"....antenna bandwidth can have a devistating effect on stereo separation. - You may need to replace the transmitter. The transmitter may have issues running AM Stereo, once again contrary to popular belief.=20 Transmitters with high amounts of IQM may not be correctable. Poor audio performance will impact not only separation but overall audio quality. Gee. These sound like many of the objections to taking a station HD. The sad part is, those stations who complain about the costs involved in going AM Stereo fail to understand that, if you make the necessary corrections listed above, and if you were only to correct issues with the antenna, mono performance and quality would be greatly enhanced.=20 You need to do good mono before you can consider doing good stereo. Unfortunately, there are many broadcasters who will complain mightily about having to spend a buck to improve their facility, thereby improving the product they are delivering to their audience....then will complain mightily about their reduction in listenership and wonder why people aren't listening.=20=20 That's why every AM station in the US isn't running AM Stereo. Tom Ray WOR=20=20 From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 18:15:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89230 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 02:15:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 02:15:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.215) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 02:15:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 42242 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2006 02:15:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20060331021535.42240.qmail@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.213] by web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:15:35 PST Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:15:35 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <055001c65399$45889b00$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WMUU Was: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=IepKkqM7nLgt1LSKp8P01QN78Ni_EWXJMZh_nNU3USU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > >> Isn't WMUU the Bob Jones University STATION? > >> If so don't they play a lot of Classical and > Opera? > > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > Beautiful Music. > > A much better Beautiful / EZ station in the Upstate > of South Carolina is > WHLC-FM 104.5 http://www.whlc.com/ WHLC has better > audio and better > programming. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest According to their website, the format is more of a a soft AC with a bit of more modern standards artists thrown in. I like that OK, but BM it's not. A big drawback is it's only 460 watts no matter if it is in the mountains. It's only 353 feet above average terrain. So for my trip from Columbia to Black Mountain NC, I doubt IF I can hear it, and if so, not for long and not well. WMUU-FM with 100,000 watts gets out better and I can hear it most of the way. Their BM selections tend to be a bit eclectic, however. Unfortunately their is nothing like EITHER of those stations here in Columbia. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Mar 30 19:32:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78485 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 03:32:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 03:32:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 03:32:48 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-199-71.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.199.71] helo=PossumHunter) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FPAJm-0000s4-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:28:58 -0500 Message-ID: <009401c65473$3ce59950$6505a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060331021535.42240.qmail@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:28:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WMUU Was: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=Wi60IGKyLXrR6nXCTBqmG0d9JzUJ_FycVSIrbUwdRvjgdAOO9kTnd_ZyP3pMtQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > According to their website, the format is more of a a soft AC with a bit > of more modern standards artists thrown in. I like that OK, but BM it's > not. My mother listens to WHLC all of the time in Simpsonville. She ways it is still B/EZ > >WMUU-FM with 100,000 watts gets out better and I can hear it most of the >way. WMUU-FM is a blow torch. It is Greeville's most far-reaching signal. There is another B/EZ station in Greenville! WWOK-LP http://wwok.org/ on Paris Mountain Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Mar 30 22:01:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 60740 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 06:01:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 06:01:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 06:01:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2006 05:59:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2006 05:59:55 -0000 X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60067 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 08:04:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 08:04:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 08:04:03 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id r.2d2.5f6d943 (17228) for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 03:01:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2d2.5f6d943.315cea49@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 03:01:13 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: HD Radio was: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135; y=3YSV_JbbClrftlpMza8mjZ4f2a09XV2f98BmQh_gwZ3t X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 31 Mar 2006 05:59:54 -0000 These samples of WOR sound a helluva lot better than any of the AM or FM HD stations I listened to off-air here in Florida. This tells me for HD-Radio to be successful, it requires being set up the best of the best Broadcast Engineers, like Tom and Kerry. Since nearly all AM stations and most FMs have a limited engineering staff, or just use contract engineers, most HD-Radio installations will NOT sound as good as WOR's. I think for one to say and to put "limited engineering staff" or "contract engineers" under one umbrella is quite unfair. I makes it sound along the suface that the majority of engineers do not put 110% into their work. I've been part of those "limited engineering staff" and now "contract engineer". Myself and the ones I've worked with put our -"all"- into our work and the stations that we took care of. [look in the archives for the stations I once took care of...one was a C-Quam station too, which BTW isn't C-Quam anymore, and will not comment on my thoughts about that until a much later time.] I've seen some contract engineers do some fine outstanding jobs...others not so outstanding. I'd like to consider myself as one of the outstanding ones as I go the extra mile to see that everything sounds the absolute best, operating in a range best suited for the equipment and that everything is legal...above and beyond board. Perhaps those stations that have less than excellent service from their engineer(s) should perhaps give their "engineers" the chance to change careers....fast food always has openings. The thing I've noticed and have experienced is that some staffed engineers have other task to tend to, so time spent on a project may be limited...its a get it on the air at all cost, regardless of up most quality. While some staffed engineers are not as pressured, they can devote more time to "getting it right". Some contract engineers have the abilitity to devote more time to "getting it right" while I've noticed some contract engineers operate under the notion of move'm in move'm out...make a quick buck. There are pluses and minus' on both sides, but don't lump them all together as it distorts what the real deal may be. I'm available to "kick it up a notch" or two. Engineering work shouldn't be anything thing less than excellent regardless of station or market. Bob Carter - KC4QLP ------------------------------------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic-Engineering-Services of Utica NY / Elizabeth City NC http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice WKVU-FM Utica/Rome NY, WKVJ-FM Dannemora/Plattsburg NY, WRCS-AM Ahoskie NC ------------------------------------------------------------- Echolink/Repeater 145.240/- PL 131.8 node 56703 Echolink/Link [future 10 meter node] node 56704 Echolink conference server node 267137 [*KC4QLP*] Echolink conference server node 290251 [*KC4QLP-C*] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Mar 30 22:02:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29646 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 06:02:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 06:02:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 06:02:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2006 06:01:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2006 06:01:53 -0000 X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91049 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 08:30:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 08:30:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 08:30:48 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id r.258.9895582 (17228) for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 03:30:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <258.9895582.315cf11f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 03:30:23 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135; y=0UfpwKZQnqCkrhYoKZTSml7E63gPgun1NnDOrrqWX91Y X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 31 Mar 2006 06:01:51 -0000 >The station is actually weaker, because of the broader power >distribution across an even wider bandwidth- FM-IBOC covers something >like 250kHz of bandwidth (non-IBOC FM is about 200kHz). An FM station running IBOC carriers shouldn't really be weaker. I've heard many "before and afters" and have not noted any change in signal strength. I could see perhaps an FM station actually getting weaker if it were to use more bandwidth, but when you are using two transmitters, one for digital and one for analog and combining the two systems along the way, well in this case the digital carriers are only adding to the noise floor which would have the appearence on the human ear that the station is weaker, when it really isn't. > Let me ask. Since FM's > stero pilot tone is 19khz what frequency is AM > stereo's pilot tone? >25Hz, inserted into the quadrature, and thus filtered out. Most audio >is filtered out below 50Hz, anyway, or just filter out below 50HZ in >the quadrature (L-R) signal. This allows a theoretically unlimited >bandwidth, but practical bandwidth is under 12kHz. Some AMS stations >have been known to exceed 20kHz audio. I've seen some of these new AM Stereo exciters that appear to have no filtering at all. Using some old CRL processors and wide audio up to 9.5khz, have a 25hz automation tone from a satellite network go over the air and actually cancel out the 25hz pilot tone! Of course you couldn't do that with a more up to date audio processor. Even though the posters comments that there is a practical bandwidth under 12khz and some stations known to exceed 20khz, the NRSC limits a stations transmitted audio to no more than 10khz. All top notched processors will sharply roll off the audio at around 9 to 9.5khz.(for analog transmissions of course...digital transmissions roll off analog audio at around 5khz in order to make room for the digital carriers) This is to minimize inference to stations of adjacent channels 10 and 20 or more khz away. Bob Carter - KC4QLP ------------------------------------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic-Engineering-Services of Utica NY / Elizabeth City NC http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice WKVU-FM Utica/Rome NY, WKVJ-FM Dannemora/Plattsburg NY, WRCS-AM Ahoskie NC ------------------------------------------------------------- Echolink/Repeater 145.240/- PL 131.8 node 56703 Echolink/Link [future 10 meter node] node 56704 Echolink conference server node 267137 [*KC4QLP*] Echolink conference server node 290251 [*KC4QLP-C*] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Mar 31 04:28:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51815 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 12:28:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 12:28:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.188) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 12:28:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 38180 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2006 12:28:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20060331122800.38172.qmail@web25803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 04:28:00 PST Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 04:28:00 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00f201c6540e$3ce8c180$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=BIRWbbFzGlqjC_HsTOdnFOdoadr9xY99jZ794ow6Vlfh4ki80K5h X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Scott, Got any on 7 inch reels? Greenville, SC here don't know where you're located. -Kevin --- Scott Todd wrote: --------------------------------- I've got boxes of Quantegy tape on new 10" reels. Will send anyone interested a carton of 10 for the price of shipping. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > >I still believe in Tape!! > > Me too! I wouldn't get rid of my 2-track Revox PR-99 for love or money. I > like the sound of Quantegy 456 Tape. It ain't cheap, but it sounds SWEET. > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Mar 31 04:38:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62071 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 12:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 12:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.176.247) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 12:38:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 19188 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2006 12:38:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20060331123843.19186.qmail@web25814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 04:38:43 PST Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 04:38:43 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060330221856.87494.qmail@web81903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.176.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=oWGxMMKKFqXpME8Kj4gSBCtlKsBjIqqVu20BFEXet1TTuxlL6NQC X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I agree, the Grado Headphones are excellent but they are a little on the heavy side and aren't very comfortable. I've heard a few bad things about those old Koss cans and mainly that they aren't really that high fidelity as compared to todays designs. I've also heard that they are very bass shy. Grado does make a nice product, just not very much on looks or comfort. -Kevin --- Kirk Jones wrote: --------------------------------- The best headphones I've had have been a pair of Grado labs SR60. I have them hooked up to a Panasonic RF-SW50 AM-FM walkman and it sounds great, FULL range bass and the headphones (open ear) don't mash your head. Like to listen to them at night when I can't sleep. FM stereo on them is good, sorry no AM stereo put the Panasonic has a very good tuner. Don't let the style of the headphones turn you off. They look like some shortwave radio phones from the 60's, but they don't sound that way. BTW I think the pro 4's were made by koss, they might have parts. --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" > wrote: > > > > Actually I have been. I had the drivers replaced > in a set of Pro > 4As (the > > original, real heavy muthas), and they were so > short on bass I > couldn't > > believe it. Can't get ear pads for them anymore > so I guess they're > junk > > now. > > If I recall, the originals weren't very good onn the > bass. This, > however, hasn't be3en my experience over the last > 20+ years. > > For me, I can't used enclosed earphones (due to > chronic ear > infections), so I use open-air 'phones. I prefer a > deep, crisp bass > without sacrificing trebel clarity, so I've been > using Koss Porta- > Pros and Porta-Pro Jrs. over the years, as well as > the occasional > Koss-made RadioShack headphone. I've tried other > brands- Sonys, > Sennheisers- and have been disappointed with their > bass and overall > quality of sound. I've been happy with Koss over the > years. :) (And > yes, I like to FEEL the bass, and my Porta-Pros > delive3r. :) ) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum SPONSORED LINKS Stereo High performance Digital radio --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Mar 31 04:44:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21711 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 12:44:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 12:44:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.189) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 12:44:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 47359 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2006 12:44:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20060331124417.47357.qmail@web25804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 04:44:17 PST Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 04:44:17 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000601c65455$8ce6b100$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: L-R Bandwidth\State of radio... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=lAOFVC2pnjuhGSaKhGXBCRvvoLfSH7bceoY2LVsuuqlBwcm55OWn X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Hands down I have no doubt that analogue FM and AM if broadcast in stereo without limitations such as those by the FCC is better than HD. If they could broadcast from 20-20khz on both it would be awesome. I am sure it's possible and that we have the technology but they are always dumping old technology for new. Many times the older technology is far more developed and refined and overall is a better product. I know that Analogue FM and AM could and would be so much more if they changed a few rules and allowed the fullest fidelity possible. Some say "but HD has no static" . Well that might be true but the truth is with HD you either get it or you don't. You won't get some faint signal. I'd rather have some signal than none. Thats what all the DXing is all about. With digital if it can't get a high enough signal it just acts as if there is no signal there. -Kevin --- Joe Collins wrote: --------------------------------- Thanks Kevin, I checked out Delta's web site and looked at the specs for their C-QUAM exciter. They have a minimum separation of 35 dB all the way up to ten k. I have mentioned before that I was with WTAR in the late 80's and I recall they had monster separation so that 7.5 k number sort of threw me for a loop. Echoing what someone else has already said here recently, I just can't for the life of me figure out why every single AM station in this country is not running stereo! I think we would be singing a very different tune about HD if the AM band was already providing the best quality audio that it is capable of. I know it's all water under the bridge in many respects now but reading about the plans for better transmitters, better antennas and better radios from the early days of AMS certainly makes one wonder what went wrong. I can tell you this, if AMS had really taken a hold like it was promised to do, you'd be hearing a lot more music on AM and much, much higher quality production values on Talk and Sports programming to boot... Can you imagine anyone purposefully putting a MONO FM station on now? Can you imagine any sort of contemporary network music oriented programming being fed to FM radio stations in mono? No. Radio on both the AM and FM band could sound so much better if the industry would just use the technology that is currently out there. We have audio processing technology now that can be almost invisible but most of the stations I hear are over processed, clipped to the point of distortion and generally unlistenable for any long period of time.... I'm sorry but that BUGS me and so does the lack of Stereo programming on AM. We don't need to reinvent the wheel to make radio sound better. (What HD is trying to do...) We really just need to take full advantage of the technology that is already our there... Rant over.... Feel better! :) Joe Collins [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Mar 31 04:48:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7833 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 12:48:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 12:48:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.190) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 12:48:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 84149 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2006 12:48:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20060331124831.84147.qmail@web25805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 04:48:31 PST Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 04:48:31 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060331021535.42240.qmail@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WMUU Was: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=AldYIJioa856mhc0CFAR5ZIM0_7qxQxDGQByOEq66T-l_Z02hPiX X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Yeah i've never heard that station (WHLC 104.5 MC) or ever heard of it. -Kevin Notice I said "MC" Mega Cycles baby! They need to bring that designation back. I love the old 60s radios that say KC and MC on the dial! --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: --------------------------------- --- Possum Hunter wrote: > >> Isn't WMUU the Bob Jones University STATION? > >> If so don't they play a lot of Classical and > Opera? > > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > Beautiful Music. > > A much better Beautiful / EZ station in the Upstate > of South Carolina is > WHLC-FM 104.5 http://www.whlc.com/ WHLC has better > audio and better > programming. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest According to their website, the format is more of a a soft AC with a bit of more modern standards artists thrown in. I like that OK, but BM it's not. A big drawback is it's only 460 watts no matter if it is in the mountains. It's only 353 feet above average terrain. So for my trip from Columbia to Black Mountain NC, I doubt IF I can hear it, and if so, not for long and not well. WMUU-FM with 100,000 watts gets out better and I can hear it most of the way. Their BM selections tend to be a bit eclectic, however. Unfortunately their is nothing like EITHER of those stations here in Columbia. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Mar 31 04:53:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38565 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 12:53:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 12:53:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.191) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 12:53:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 22743 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2006 12:53:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20060331125330.22741.qmail@web25806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 04:53:30 PST Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 04:53:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Podcasting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=jsXETCWakUMauo82lSjtZdX0x1lYoCIir4mywipN6uCyPweZs7Lw X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I wanted to ask what you broadcasters think about internet podcasting. I keep seeing these $250 sets you can buy with a little mixer, mic, etc to plug into your computer and do live shows over the net. First off is this legal? I also hear of college students doing this. Is it legal or are they just another pirate station but just on the internet? Pretty neat if everyone could do their own variety show but i'm wondering if theres regulations to this. -Kevin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From starship_2001@msn.com Fri Mar 31 04:55:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16036 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 12:55:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 12:55:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.92) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 12:55:41 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 04:55:26 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.3 by BAY106-DAV20.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:55:20 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:55:20 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Mar 2006 12:55:26.0429 (UTC) FILETIME=[6196A8D0:01C654C2] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: L-R Bandwidth\State of radio... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=ry7cmgOa6l1aggXKAOZHURxczRSS5YKOlaNYO6DVMr9tW7U6KlZHJapfSQ X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit EXACTLY !!!!! And what good does HD do me if i can't get a signal in the office or home or whereever ? At least analog yields a weak signal which is better then nothing........in an emergency such as a hurricane . There was nothing wrong with analog if it was used to the full potenial but no lets make americans throw away their good analog radios and fill up our landfills. Then we can flood the country with more chinese imported cheap radios all in the name of progress and to please HD Radio stock Holders . Now off my soapbox . -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Bell Sent: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 04:44:17 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: L-R Bandwidth\State of radio... Hands down I have no doubt that analogue FM and AM if broadcast in stereo without limitations such as those by the FCC is better than HD. If they could broadcast from 20-20khz on both it would be awesome. I am sure it's possible and that we have the technology but they are always dumping old technology for new. Many times the older technology is far more developed and refined and overall is a better product. I know that Analogue FM and AM could and would be so much more if they changed a few rules and allowed the fullest fidelity possible. Some say "but HD has no static" . Well that might be true but the truth is with HD you either get it or you don't. You won't get some faint signal. I'd rather have some signal than none. Thats what all the DXing is all about. With digital if it can't get a high enough signal it just acts as if there is no signal there. -Kevin --- Joe Collins wrote: --------------------------------- Thanks Kevin, I checked out Delta's web site and looked at the specs for their C-QUAM exciter. They have a minimum separation of 35 dB all the way up to ten k. I have mentioned before that I was with WTAR in the late 80's and I recall they had monster separation so that 7.5 k number sort of threw me for a loop. Echoing what someone else has already said here recently, I just can't for the life of me figure out why every single AM station in this country is not running stereo! I think we would be singing a very different tune about HD if the AM band was already providing the best quality audio that it is capable of. I know it's all water under the bridge in many respects now but reading about the plans for better transmitters, better antennas and better radios from the early days of AMS certainly makes one wonder what went wrong. I can tell you this, if AMS had really taken a hold like it was promised to do, you'd be hearing a lot more music on AM and much, much higher quality production values on Talk and Sports programming to boot... Can you imagine anyone purposefully putting a MONO FM station on now? Can you imagine any sort of contemporary network music oriented programming being fed to FM radio stations in mono? No. Radio on both the AM and FM band could sound so much better if the industry would just use the technology that is currently out there. We have audio processing technology now that can be almost invisible but most of the stations I hear are over processed, clipped to the point of distortion and generally unlistenable for any long period of time.... I'm sorry but that BUGS me and so does the lack of Stereo programming on AM. We don't need to reinvent the wheel to make radio sound better. (What HD is trying to do...) We really just need to take full advantage of the technology that is already our there... Rant over.... Feel better! :) Joe Collins [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Fri Mar 31 05:40:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91876 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 13:40:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 13:40:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.47) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 13:40:07 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 05:39:56 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:39:55 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20060331122800.38172.qmail@web25803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:39:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Mar 2006 13:39:56.0270 (UTC) FILETIME=[98F010E0:01C654C8] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=ZfMGSyCcgssrFsltbval-O2bwIiJTtEa6xFm91iNpLlfvKGrYnh4 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Please respond to me at mrupton@hotmail.com. I am interested in getting some of your blank tapes. Thanks, Michael >From: Kevin Bell >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? >Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 04:28:00 -0800 (PST) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.188 >X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk >Received: from n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.35]) by >bay0-mc1-f10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, >31 Mar 2006 04:29:08 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar >2006 12:28:17 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.97] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar >2006 12:28:17 -0000 >Received: (qmail 51815 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 12:28:04 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >31 Mar 2006 12:28:04 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO web25803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.188) >by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 12:28:03 -0000 >Received: (qmail 38180 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2006 12:28:00 -0000 >Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; >Fri, 31 Mar 2006 04:28:00 PST >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jFFUb2NHYDAfIL66fJeNNuWqc/s0TW5MuQ= >Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; >d=yahoogroups.com;b=srrF604TScNCgkqxOBdf5HIj0arB5VbjHof0C33Te1KEiwtTyO5FQXOsL4IDiFcVYhFOAhSWbSOcG524EAY4oOa+9t/DoDqT/nULv7h/T2V7Bu6R/LduZjA6GJTW3BB2; >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 >X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >List-Id: >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-22931-1143808089-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Mar 2006 12:29:08.0581 (UTC) >FILETIME=[B51E2950:01C654BE] > >Scott, > > Got any on 7 inch reels? Greenville, SC here >don't know where you're located. > >-Kevin > > > > >--- Scott Todd wrote: > > >--------------------------------- >I've got boxes of Quantegy tape on new 10" reels. >Will send anyone >interested a carton of 10 for the price of shipping. > >Scott Todd > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Possum Hunter" > > > >I still believe in Tape!! > > > > Me too! I wouldn't get rid of my 2-track Revox PR-99 >for love or money. I > > like the sound of Quantegy 456 Tape. It ain't cheap, >but it sounds SWEET. > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > >--------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 08:53:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42319 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 16:53:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 16:53:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.158) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 16:53:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 2803 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2006 16:53:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20060331165304.2801.qmail@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:53:04 PST Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:53:04 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1143820921.481.77365.m17@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: AM Stereo Frequency Response Limitations for Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=BzijupVOWae8Xt5VsJBwneVJXao9g6MXnMUSeS4m3-GFDC5jOZQRZls X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I'm going from memory here, but I believe the maximum stereo audio frequency response to maintain a decent low distortion mono signal was: Harris: 15KHz CQuam: 10KHz Kahn: 7500Hz Magnavox: 5KHz Belar/RCA: 5KHz I remember the graphic 20 years ago, so my foggy brain might not have it right. Anyhow, on paper, Harris looked to be by far the most outstanding system with sync detection; and, based on the audio of CKLW using Harris, it WAS dynamite. I recall picking-up WHAS and WSM in Harris as well. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 09:55:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83461 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 17:55:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 17:55:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 17:55:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2006 17:52:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2006 17:52:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:52:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060331124417.47357.qmail@web25804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.98.254 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: L-R Bandwidth\State of radio... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=qORQgD-cnR8KDXhEvaWHw7w-NJL4pPBUhZm8OeGFaswjgJLZ X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 wrote: > > Hands down I have no doubt that analogue FM and AM if > broadcast in stereo without limitations such as those > by the FCC is better than HD. If they could broadcast > from 20-20khz on both it would be awesome. I am sure > it's possible and that we have the technology but they > are always dumping old technology for new. Many times > the older technology is far more developed and refined > and overall is a better product. I know that Analogue > FM and AM could and would be so much more if they > changed a few rules and allowed the fullest fidelity > possible.=20 Oh, it's always been possible- In fact, for AM, all you have to do is=20 look for any history on the high-fidelity AM and early FM "Apex" bands,=20 which allowed for such fidelity. Of course, this was prior to stereo,=20 mind you. AM stereo can go wideband without rendering current AM and AM stereo=20 radios obsolete, largely to how the pilot tone is modulated, and thus=20 it's easy to filter out very low frequency audio because of it. (Don't=20 worry- most bass is above 45Hz!) But for FM, it is a compatibility issue. Some FM stations do try to=20 bring their audio just up to the 19kHz pilot tone, but not without=20 problems. You would literally have to move the pilot tone AND the SC- DSB L-R audio from where it is now- The lower sideband of the L-R=20 mirrors the baseband audio to the pilot tone.. Doable? Yes- Always has=20 been. But the arrangement was developed with SCA in mind- That was a=20 key criteria for getting approval by the NBSC in 1961, as they said a=20 system must have room for two SCA channels. As for reducing the L-R noise, one technique I've seen (and just=20 recently heard!) was to demodulate the L-R not from a mixed pilot +=20 suppressed-carrier AM, but to demodulate the AM sidebands as PM. A=20 Chinese SW radio I got (with FM stereo) does exactly tis, and the noise=20 floor and separation are phenomenally clean. (When weak, the L-R gets=20 crackly like a narrow-FM/PM reception, not hissy like AM/SSB.) The Crosby system, which was FM with an FM L-R subcarrier, WAS capable=20 of stereo audio out to 20kHz, but because of the extra bandwidth, the L- R FM was originally to around 60kHz, and later modified down to=20 47kHz....which only left room for one SCA channel. (The FCC mandated=20 two.) So you see, while AM stereo can go out to 20kHz while not rendering any=20 previous receiver obsolete or incompatible, FM stereo would be rendered=20 incompatible to existing stereo receivers. (MTS TV stereo operates the same way, with the L-R, dbx-compressed,=20 being 2x the pilot, set to the line rate frequency of 15.3kHz, meaning=20 the passband is to 12kHz.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Some say "but HD has no static"=20 From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 09:59:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13318 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 17:59:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 17:59:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 17:59:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2006 17:58:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2006 17:58:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:58:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060331125330.22741.qmail@web25806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.98.254 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Podcasting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=XOvq6Bt92XF1DXanHofptPBjJhO-OOluvgDhIqwt84Nj53dq X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 wrote: > > I wanted to ask what you broadcasters think about > internet podcasting. I keep seeing these $250 sets > you can buy with a little mixer, mic, etc to plug into > your computer and do live shows over the net. First > off is this legal? I also hear of college students > doing this. Is it legal or are they just another > pirate station but just on the internet? Pretty neat > if everyone could do their own variety show but i'm > wondering if theres regulations to this. No license required to broadcast or podcast on the internet, not any=20 moreso than it is to type or browse the internet (essentially the same=20 technology). The ONLY issue is with usage of RIAA materials- You know,=20 royalty fees and licensaing to actually use the music..... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 10:32:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32754 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 18:32:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 18:32:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 18:32:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2006 18:32:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2006 18:32:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:32:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060331165304.2801.qmail@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.98.254 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: AM Stereo Frequency Response Limitations for Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=0VGYEHiRNhXlNz5BwW6tAhOfC-j8FsnOjG_8IBL1B9N5em2r X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > I'm going from memory here, but I believe the maximum stereo audio=20 frequency > response to maintain a decent low distortion mono signal was: >=20 > Harris: 15KHz > CQuam: 10KHz > Kahn: 7500Hz > Magnavox: 5KHz > Belar/RCA: 5KHz >=20 > I remember the graphic 20 years ago, so my foggy brain might not=20 have it right. > Anyhow, on paper, Harris looked to be by far the most outstanding=20 system with > sync detection; and, based on the audio of CKLW using Harris, it=20 WAS dynamite.=20 > I recall picking-up WHAS and WSM in Harris as well. Both Harris and C-QUAM were fundementally the same- both were QAM=20 systems- except Harris originally varied their phase angle based on=20 the degree of stereo separation, and used a variable pilot tone to=20 act as a controller. Harris was actually limited, and of course,=20 fudged the papers that were submitted to the FCC. When the FCC found=20 out Harris' data was incorrect (especially in t6he field of harmonics=20 generated by the variable quadrature), they were ordered to convert=20 to C-QUAM or shut off. Actually, C-QUAM can do good stereo separation=20 at least to 10kHz without distortion or additional harmonics, thanks=20 to using cosine maths. Kahn's ISB was limited to 6kHz. Any greater, and there were harmonic=20 issues. Magnavox could go the distance to 15kHz, and should've been the=20 winner, but thanks to Mr. Kahn..... Yes, RCA/Belar was limited to a maximimum deviation of 6250Hz=20 (AF+300Hz nominal deviation), leaving separation to about 6kHz. The=20 original RCA specs had it out to 11.25kHz (10kHz+1250kHz nominal=20 deviation), and tested as such without interference. Good chance that if Kahn didn't muck things up the first time, we'd=20 be using the RCA system. If he didn't cause such a stiur the second=20 time, we would've had the Magnavox system (RCA/Belar was FM, Magnavox=20 was PM) and wouldn't have had the infamous marketplace decision. If=20 he hadn't made more threats on the third go, everyone would've had a=20 C-QUAM AM stereo receiver and there would be far more AMS stations. Just so you know, C-QUAM DOES have a major limitation- Maximum levels=20 of modulation. Negative modulation can't be any greater than 98%, and=20 maximum positive modulation is 125% for L+R (in-phase/envelope) and=20 75% for the quadrature. Correct that a true sync-detection system (I/Q) would've better, but=20 since C-QUAM had to be E/Q (Envelope/Quadrature) for mono=20 compatibility..... Ironically, a C-QUAM chip has three detectors-=20 Envelope, synchronous and phase. The E, I, Q and P are all=20 accessable,l and all are employed in the demodulation and tracking=20 for C-QUAM. The inclusion of a phase detector actually is what has=20 reduced platform shift, by using it as a tracker. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 10:35:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68021 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 18:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 18:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 18:35:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2006 18:34:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2006 18:34:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:34:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.98.254 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Podcasting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=uwnxa4uNXyfWlocTrTM7PuRlutn92WdlzoSzNdXK4uzgvaZp X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Just for what it's worth, I don't think anyone's doing any AMS podcasts- Not like I really expect there to be much interest in one, even from=20 what few AMS enthusiasts there seems to be. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From eh@mad.scientist.com Fri Mar 31 11:18:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: eh@mad.scientist.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48824 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 19:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 19:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc13.comcast.net) (204.127.192.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 19:18:39 -0000 Received: from [192.168.2.11] (c-66-31-4-37.hsd1.nh.comcast.net[66.31.4.37]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060331182217m13005prcie>; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:22:17 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amymousie@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Electric Brain Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:20:59 -0500 Message-Id: <1143829259.3113.123.camel@bombe> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 204.127.192.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Eirikur Hallgrimsson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: L-R Bandwidth\State of radio... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61599074; y=SbJ-5oHkRs8AozDiQLVbwpvt-VuRaDN6UaiSGcq-ZM17UYg X-Yahoo-Profile: eirikurh Amy, Which is the Chinese radio with the PM decoding of the FM stereo? I'm tempted to get one just to fool around with. How did you find out about the design? You are such a source of interesting info! Eirikur From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 12:22:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19458 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 20:22:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 20:22:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 20:22:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2006 20:21:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2006 20:21:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:21:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1143829259.3113.123.camel@bombe> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.98.254 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: L-R Bandwidth\State of radio... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=iMfBj3-K9523k9TSGmsE7RqsCcNgrIAg-wINDSbPSkpWMy90 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Eirikur Hallgrimsson =20 wrote: > > Amy, >=20 > Which is the Chinese radio with the PM decoding of the FM stereo? > I'm tempted to get one just to fool around with. > How did you find out about the design? Degen 1103, which I found on eBay. It's actually a pretty good=20 digitally-tuned AM/FM/SW radio, although it does have imaging=20 problems, and isn't the most selective on the wide filter. FM is=20 great. Not bad for a $45 (plus $24s&h from Hong Kong) Chinese radio.=20 Really pulls in the stations. And I found how it sounded entirely by accident, since the stereo=20 performance was far better than I've experienced before, and it=20 didn't sound like the usual AM/SSB-type hiss one would usually get,=20 but rather sounded like NFM that I would hear on SCA of on VHF/UHF=20 radios. (I was more amazed by the lack of cross-channel interference=20 on wide stereo content.) > You are such a source of interesting info! I try to be, but I'm not always right. I do the best I can. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From droland66@yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 12:23:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13569 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 20:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 20:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 20:23:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2006 20:23:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2006 20:23:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:23:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.99.185.241 From: "david roland" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: L-R Bandwidth\State of radio... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=MZZiQjXehGYVnGzYCua-4gztpmoXH8QRaDKRGt7HdR0XiX36 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 low bit-rate digital grates on your nerves! analog is much better!=20=20 what's needed is 20-20kHz analog broadcasts on both FM and AM where=20 much of the music is derived from one of the new hi-definition=20 digital formats, SACD or DVD-A. with these new formats, the=20 sampling rate is high enough that the annoying metallic grating=20 sound of digital sampling is pushed far above the range of human=20 hearing and the perception is close to "perfect analog". even very=20 well mastered redbook standard CDs don't sound good when compared to=20 pristine vinyl (not even close, IMHO). SACD and DVD-A sound great=20 and would be "the bomb" over a 20kHz am stereo broadcast played back=20 on a newly designed analog receiver with all of the best noise=20 rejection methods known to we humans included. david --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Norbert 26"=20 wrote: > > EXACTLY !!!!! And what good does HD do me if i can't get a signal=20 in the office or home or whereever ? At least analog yields a weak=20 signal which is better then nothing........in an emergency such as a=20 hurricane . There was nothing wrong with analog if it was used to=20 the full potenial but no lets make americans throw away their good=20 analog radios and fill up our landfills. Then we can flood the=20 country with more chinese imported cheap radios all in the name of=20 progress and to please HD Radio stock Holders . Now off my=20 soapbox .=20=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Bell > Sent: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 04:44:17 -0800 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: L-R Bandwidth\State of radio... >=20 > Hands down I have no doubt that analogue FM and AM if > broadcast in stereo without limitations such as those > by the FCC is better than HD. If they could broadcast > from 20-20khz on both it would be awesome. I am sure > it's possible and that we have the technology but they > are always dumping old technology for new. Many times > the older technology is far more developed and refined > and overall is a better product. I know that Analogue > FM and AM could and would be so much more if they > changed a few rules and allowed the fullest fidelity > possible. Some say "but HD has no static" . Well > that might be true but the truth is with HD you either > get it or you don't. You won't get some faint signal. > I'd rather have some signal than none. Thats what > all the DXing is all about. With digital if it can't > get a high enough signal it just acts as if there is > no signal there.=20=20 >=20 > -Kevin >=20 >=20 > --- Joe Collins wrote: >=20 >=20 > --------------------------------- > Thanks Kevin,=20=20 >=20 > I checked out Delta's web site and looked at the specs > for their C-QUAM exciter. They have a minimum > separation of 35 dB all the way up to ten k. I have > mentioned before that I was with WTAR in the late 80's > and I recall they had monster separation so that 7.5 k > number sort of threw me for a loop.=20=20 >=20 > Echoing what someone else has already said here > recently, I just can't for the life of me figure out > why every single AM station in this country is not > running stereo! I think we would be singing a very > different tune about HD if the AM band was already > providing the best quality audio that it is capable > of. I know it's all water under the bridge in many > respects now but reading about the plans for better > transmitters, better antennas and better radios from > the early days of AMS certainly makes one wonder what > went wrong. I can tell you this, if AMS had really > taken a hold like it was promised to do, you'd be > hearing a lot more music on AM and much, much higher > quality production values on Talk and Sports > programming to boot... Can you imagine anyone > purposefully putting a MONO FM station on now? Can > you imagine any sort of contemporary network music > oriented programming being fed to FM radio stations in > mono? No. Radio on both the AM and FM band could > sound so much better if the industry would just use > the technology that is currently out there. We have > audio processing technology now that can be almost > invisible but most of the stations I hear are over > processed, clipped to the point of distortion and > generally unlistenable for any long period of time.... > I'm sorry but that BUGS me and so does the lack of > Stereo programming on AM. We don't need to reinvent > the wheel to make radio sound better. (What HD is > trying to do...) We really just need to take full > advantage of the technology that is already our > there...=20 >=20 > Rant over.... Feel better! >=20 > :) >=20 > Joe Collins >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS >=20 >=20=20=20 > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. >=20=20=20=20 > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >=20=20=20=20 > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! > Terms of Service. >=20 >=20=20=20 > --------------------------------- >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com=20 >=20 >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > Yahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From badeditpro@charter.net Fri Mar 31 15:15:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81139 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 23:15:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 23:15:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf23.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.223) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 23:15:23 -0000 Received: from mxip12a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip12a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.142]) by mxsf23.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k2VNFLwB018717 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:15:22 -0500 Received: from 24-241-13-230.dhcp.rnrp.nc.charter.com (HELO yourfd6nvjcer4) ([24.241.13.230]) by mxip12a.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 18:15:22 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.03,152,1141621200"; d="scan'208"; a="167621419:sNHT19117604" Message-ID: <000a01c65518$fc420900$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: References: <1143820921.481.77365.m17@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:15:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.28.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: Re: State Of Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=qNPS57P_QrjMegtzJBwtx8JjuxrHDO-jnBfSQME1fQDJGd0tql0w42tK6z_n X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Tom, All that is certainly true... What I was getting at is the fact that it SHOULD be so much better BY NOW. Over the past 20 years I have been involved with maybe 10 AM stations. With the exception of one, WTAR, every single one of them had stereo capable studios... But they just didn't carry it on to the STL and Transmitter.... Same thing with two AM's I manage now. I got laughed at when I suggested to the powers that be that we should upgrade our AM's to either C-QUAM or HD... No joke. Obtuse thinking from folks who don't know better but it is their money and not mine. Still, the radios are out there.... The exciters are out there. So what if only ten per cent of your audience can actually get stereo... The stat's for FM and MTS TV Stereo are somewhere between 30 and 50 percent at best... Just like you said, making the station stereo ready will make for better mono audio as well. So why hasn't the engineering community been pushing this for the last 20 years? Radio has no one to blame for the sad state of affairs but itself... Period. And, by the way, there is plenty of room within both the current AM and FM standards for improvement. Hypothetically, you could change the numbers around and get better freq response out of both services but in my opinion many of the audio evils that you hear on the air today are not a product of an outdated system but have more to do with over processing and bad audio being fed into the transmitter. Garbage in/garbage out, plain and simple. Joe Collins From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Mar 31 15:38:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74923 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 23:38:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 23:38:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 23:38:48 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-199-71.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.199.71] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FPTCY-00038C-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:38:46 -0500 Message-ID: <021001c6551c$3efcfbd0$6505a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <2d2.5f6d943.315cea49@aol.com> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:38:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio was: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=4Xf_YdhzyMzefxsHBZpLFDHhPuhEH19oIyZ7Bqn7kvENOt6yv5cLVCUA7310JA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: >I've been part of those "limited engineering staff" and now "contract >engineer". Myself and the ones I've worked with put our -"all"- into our >work and the stations that we took care of I too have been that "limited engineering staff" and done my share of conract engineering. Like you, I put MUCH pride into my work to make the station sound the best it could. That being said, You know as well as I do many of these stations will let the guy who works the cheapest work on their plant. This results in rat's nests of wires, Jimmy rigged components, and undocumented modifications to the equipment. The owners are then unwilling to pay to have this mess fixed properly and the station sounds like crap. > >Perhaps those stations that have less than excellent service from their >engineer(s) should perhaps give their "engineers" the chance to change >careers....fast food always has openings. Agreed! When I repaired the disaster at WJKI, the owner and GM actually had tears in their eyes because the station sounded so good...then nearly croaked when they saw the parts bill from Richardson Electronics, but both agreed the sound quality was worth every penny! Good sound ain't cheap! > > I'm available to "kick it up a notch" or two. Engineering work shouldn't > be anything thing less than excellent regardless of station or market. I agree with you 100%. I too am available here in Central Florida if a station needs an engineer that will do it right the first time. I refuse to "Jimmy Rig" a station's plant or studio. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Mar 31 16:04:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59777 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 00:04:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 00:04:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 00:04:09 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-199-71.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.199.71] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FPTb6-0005Yr-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:04:09 -0500 Message-ID: <022201c6551f$ca68a2c0$6505a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:03:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: L-R Bandwidth\State of radio... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=foWE30ejjchPip5pEy28bHDiHGM5PHDF9PzsQDCiv9a188gLs4y5LfJLBC3C9g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 david roland wrote: > SACD and DVD-A sound great and would be "the bomb" over a 20kHz am stereo > broadcast played back on a newly designed analog receiver with all of the > best noise rejection methods known to we humans included. Even with NRSC, Analog C-QUAM AM Stereo has Higher Fidelity, More Dynamic Range, Better S/N Ratio, Better Stereo Separation, and a more stable stereo image than a pre-recorded Dolby Audio Cassette tape played over a typical car stereo. On the other hand, most car radios blend FM stereo and filter out the highs so you only get about 8KC of audio bandwidth in Mono! With absolutely NO changes to the current standards, AM Stereo sounds BETTER than FM Stereo or audio cassette in the mobile environment where most radio listening is done. All you need is an AMAX Car radio. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From groucho@skyweb.net Fri Mar 31 16:21:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5985 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 00:21:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 00:21:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 00:21:50 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.44] (pool-70-111-205-222.nwrk.east.verizon.net [70.111.205.222]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k310LXXM005946 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:21:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <442DC89E.3020107@skyweb.net> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:26:06 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20060331124831.84147.qmail@web25805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060331124831.84147.qmail@web25805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 66.6.128.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} WMUU Was: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145; y=P4dby7Tq5YfmGKkny54A4ZsfinkeqhS46HierYMY5WQkqQ X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 IS THAT WHAT IT MEANS????? wow and all these years I thought it meant Millions of Cycles. isn't a Mega a device that tests for dialetric breakdown? ROFLMAO Neal.. Hey Powell where you hanging these days..... a few weeks ago I took a trip down to Georgia. Got to meet Milton Halladay. I wanted to stop by you But didn't have a Phone # to get directions... The New WTTM studios are looking Good. I will take Photos when I finish It( My digital camera died No pictures during Construction phase. Finally go Live from the studios this Monday morning. Last night while working on the ATU... I discovered why I was getting antenna Fault alarms... in the Dark I can see the ZAP ZZZZZAAAP Zaopppp The Folded Unipole is Running some really high voltage in the upper 8K range at 13 amps base current.. Its a Giant BUG zapper.. as the Knats were getting Close to the Feed point Zap they get fried.. and the transmitter sees it as a Fault.. LOL.. then I looked up and saw that all 4 wires of the skirt were just Covered with fried Knat Bodies... Kevin Bell wrote: >Yeah i've never heard that station (WHLC 104.5 MC) or >ever heard of it. > >-Kevin > >Notice I said "MC" Mega Cycles baby! They need to >bring that designation back. I love the old 60s >radios that say KC and MC on the dial! > > > >--- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Mar 31 16:35:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62528 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 00:35:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 00:35:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 00:35:07 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-199-71.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.199.71] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FPU4v-0002Ya-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:34:57 -0500 Message-ID: <028601c65524$17f2ce90$6505a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060331124831.84147.qmail@web25805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <442DC89E.3020107@skyweb.net> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:34:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WMUU Was: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=Bc_RsX9lX3lH_jVB-eXx18vv1L2Pwdc8Gmn8-2qMeq8OYNzwvx_74_53rUaFQw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Neal Newman wrote: > The Folded Unipole is Running some really high voltage in the upper 8K > range at 13 amps base current.. Its a Giant BUG zapper.. as the Knats > were getting Close to the Feed point Zap they get fried.. and the > transmitter sees it as a Fault.. LOL.. then I looked up and saw that all 4 > wires of the skirt were just Covered with fried Knat Bodies... That is a very expensive bug zapper you have! SO do you have a plan to keep the Gnats and other flying critters from tripping out the transmitter? Once Upon A Time, I was helping the engineer at WHYZ one night when we noticed Bats being fried on the towers. It was weird to watch! How do you like the Folded Unipole? How is the signal compared to a standard insulated tower? Is the bandwidth better? Enquiring minds want to know! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 16:53:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92490 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 00:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 00:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 00:53:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2006 00:53:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2006 00:53:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 00:53:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.203.218.131 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: L-R Bandwidth\State of radio... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=Yeu_k10lAfNQFKXSOAdRJzQHmEyrX1lcA5yB0CkIti4 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 Is this the same with the following radio I saw on Ebay?=20 http://cgi.ebay.ie/KAITO-KA1103-KA-1103-AM-FM-SHORTWAVE-RADIO-SSB- RECEIVER_W0QQitemZ9703154398=20 Regards=20=20 Sotiris --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Eirikur Hallgrimsson =20 > wrote: > > > > Amy, > >=20 > > Which is the Chinese radio with the PM decoding of the FM stereo? > > I'm tempted to get one just to fool around with. > > How did you find out about the design? >=20 > Degen 1103, which I found on eBay. It's actually a pretty good=20 > digitally-tuned AM/FM/SW radio, although it does have imaging=20 > problems, and isn't the most selective on the wide filter. FM is=20 > great. Not bad for a $45 (plus $24s&h from Hong Kong) Chinese=20 radio.=20 > Really pulls in the stations. >=20 > And I found how it sounded entirely by accident, since the stereo=20 > performance was far better than I've experienced before, and it=20 > didn't sound like the usual AM/SSB-type hiss one would usually get,=20 > but rather sounded like NFM that I would hear on SCA of on VHF/UHF=20 > radios. (I was more amazed by the lack of cross-channel=20 interference=20 > on wide stereo content.) >=20 > > You are such a source of interesting info! >=20 > I try to be, but I'm not always right. I do the best I can. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Mar 31 17:43:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+qNxh+9+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41735 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 01:43:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 01:43:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 01:43:14 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.79]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 68548061 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:43:13 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <003801c6552d$b3aebb60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060331122800.38172.qmail@web25803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:43:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=3, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.79 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=MIXkqelhbS9aXoRxQBZg5Fi4NthQWeFxR2OeEOIHasZhQUYYilUI X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Not many, unfortunately. However, if you've got some empty reels yourself, I'm set up so I can fill them up with new tape and ship them back to you. Will be shipping out of St. Paul, MN. One of these pancakes will fill up four of them and part of a fifth. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" > Scott, > > Got any on 7 inch reels? Greenville, SC here > don't know where you're located. > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Mar 31 17:48:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+qNxh+9+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1600 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 01:48:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 01:48:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 01:48:36 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.79]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 68081127 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:48:24 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701c6552e$6d247440$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060331125330.22741.qmail@web25806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:48:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.208.79 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Podcasting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=S1reD1syWZJoJi66Si3PgeFo5UgRrDdQkFPQqcHEVnDt9RaTLeKo X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude As Amy said- except for license fees for music, anyone can do it. I must add there are websites which are clearinghouses for music which is license-free; usually newer indie bands who are trying to break into the industry. Sorry, I don't know what any of them are but I have seen them listed in the past. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" > I wanted to ask what you broadcasters think about > internet podcasting. I keep seeing these $250 sets > you can buy with a little mixer, mic, etc to plug into > your computer and do live shows over the net. First > off is this legal? I also hear of college students > doing this. Is it legal or are they just another > pirate station but just on the internet? Pretty neat > if everyone could do their own variety show but i'm > wondering if theres regulations to this. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Mar 31 18:02:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+qNxh+9+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89169 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 02:02:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 02:02:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 02:02:41 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.79]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 68694392 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:02:40 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <008d01c65530$6b8f9180$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:03:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.79 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Frequency Response Limitations for Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=VfATmSJ8ObzDP6KH3OyePcU7XekN7hSgD9IMZvXKy-KvJZbqusyu X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Not entirely accurate- there were a lot more people complaining about the Magnavox limitations than just Kahn. IIRC the maximum negative modulation was even less than Moto's. The two I liked best were Harris and Belar, but now I'd have settled for any one of them becoming a standard early on so that it would have been more common. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > > Good chance that if Kahn didn't muck things up the first time, we'd > be using the RCA system. If he didn't cause such a stiur the second > time, we would've had the Magnavox system (RCA/Belar was FM, Magnavox > was PM) and wouldn't have had the infamous marketplace decision. If > he hadn't made more threats on the third go, everyone would've had a > C-QUAM AM stereo receiver and there would be far more AMS stations. > > Just so you know, C-QUAM DOES have a major limitation- Maximum levels > of modulation. Negative modulation can't be any greater than 98%, and > maximum positive modulation is 125% for L+R (in-phase/envelope) and > 75% for the quadrature. > From groucho@skyweb.net Fri Mar 31 18:03:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13932 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 02:03:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 02:03:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 02:03:25 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.44] (pool-70-111-205-222.nwrk.east.verizon.net [70.111.205.222]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k31234XM006238 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:03:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <442DE06A.4060408@skyweb.net> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:07:38 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20060331124831.84147.qmail@web25805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <442DC89E.3020107@skyweb.net> <028601c65524$17f2ce90$6505a8c0@PossumHunter> In-Reply-To: <028601c65524$17f2ce90$6505a8c0@PossumHunter> X-Originating-IP: 66.6.128.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} WMUU Was: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145; y=0IqKNMihvhDxvNDhmrw4c5F5XF5rgX5ZsK9jx4_eWbX88w X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First Off I know its Gnats but G is a European Call Prefix... K is a US Prefix I call them KNATS----- Knows nothing and Talk Sh-T... It was not tripping the transmitter Just Causes a nice LED to Flash on and Off.. compaired to the Series Fed antenna that the station used to be on with a full ground system.. This Unipole SUCKS... It has bandwith thats about it. Its a 200 foot tower with a 123 foot skirt.. and a partial ground system. Lets just say I did the Required Proof and YES the station actually makes The required City grade contour..It Does ok but Not even Close to what it did with the old Tower site Possum Hunter wrote: >Neal Newman wrote: > > >>The Folded Unipole is Running some really high voltage in the upper 8K >>range at 13 amps base current.. Its a Giant BUG zapper.. as the Knats >>were getting Close to the Feed point Zap they get fried.. and the >>transmitter sees it as a Fault.. LOL.. then I looked up and saw that all 4 >>wires of the skirt were just Covered with fried Knat Bodies... >> >> > >That is a very expensive bug zapper you have! SO do you have a plan to keep >the Gnats and other flying critters from tripping out the transmitter? Once >Upon A Time, I was helping the engineer at WHYZ one night when we noticed >Bats being fried on the towers. It was weird to watch! > >How do you like the Folded Unipole? How is the signal compared to a standard >insulated tower? Is the bandwidth better? > >Enquiring minds want to know! > >Kevin in The Ocala National Forest >There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical >standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Mar 31 18:05:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+qNxh+9+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17986 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 02:05:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 02:05:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 02:05:15 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.79]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 68083530 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:05:13 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <009301c65530$c6e62300$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:05:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.79 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: L-R Bandwidth\State of radio... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=OadoH6zG1ip5jGtYXR74_pfuIbdFtMN4CS8mjH27SQK8K1Olyy2r X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude And with just a small amount of digital tacked on as a sub or side carrier, you could have surround sound on both too, though to keep from using too much bandwidth you'd likely have to keep AM's fidelity a tad lower. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "david roland" > low bit-rate digital grates on your nerves! analog is much better! > what's needed is 20-20kHz analog broadcasts on both FM and AM where > much of the music is derived from one of the new hi-definition > digital formats, SACD or DVD-A. with these new formats, the > sampling rate is high enough that the annoying metallic grating > sound of digital sampling is pushed far above the range of human > hearing and the perception is close to "perfect analog". even very > well mastered redbook standard CDs don't sound good when compared to > pristine vinyl (not even close, IMHO). SACD and DVD-A sound great > and would be "the bomb" over a 20kHz am stereo broadcast played back From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Mar 31 18:13:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+qNxh+9+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31079 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 02:13:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 02:13:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 02:13:01 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.79]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 68552466 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:13:00 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <009b01c65531$dd3da140$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <1143820921.481.77365.m17@yahoogroups.com> <000a01c65518$fc420900$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:13:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=4, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.79 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: State Of Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=DwCRyVhWfe1ZwB4wk0MlOhD0l5CPMi1lDUS5gCPH-M8GKF8oItaw X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That's true of all three of my stations. All have stereo equipment, though it took me a few years to get to where they were fully wired stereo. I did that in case we got an FM signal for a Fish format and also in case I was able to sneak in some AMS equipment (but you didn't hear that from me :). That way we could press any of them into service, if only temporarily, until some dedicated studios could be built. Nowadays all the Salem studios are wired stereo. Mine dated back to when they weren't. As to 20kHz transmission on AM, you're forgetting one other item- sad to say there's just too much interference to make anything over the current 10k very practical. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Collins" > All that is certainly true... What I was getting at is the fact that it > SHOULD be so much better BY NOW. Over the past 20 years I have been > involved with maybe 10 AM stations. With the exception of one, WTAR, every > single one of them had stereo capable studios... But they just didn't carry > it on to the STL and Transmitter.... [snip] Hypothetically, you could > change the numbers around and get better freq response out of both services > but in my opinion many of the audio evils that you hear on the air today are > not a product of an outdated system but have more to do with over processing > and bad audio being fed into the transmitter. Garbage in/garbage out, plain > and simple. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Mar 31 18:18:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+qNxh+9+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43104 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 02:18:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 02:18:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 02:18:34 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.79]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 68696905 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:18:34 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a901c65532$a3f66ec0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060331124831.84147.qmail@web25805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <442DC89E.3020107@skyweb.net> <028601c65524$17f2ce90$6505a8c0@PossumHunter> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:18:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.79 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WMUU Was: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=2Lu4wxQerZH4fCDv8_WkcxFw62oWqmANScaDlYmTKiTxRFjCOutb X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude No first-hand experience here, but engineers I trust say that they're best for antennas 90deg or less in height. Above that it''s usually wasted money. The width between the wires does tend to increase the bandwidth. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > > How do you like the Folded Unipole? How is the signal compared to a standard > insulated tower? Is the bandwidth better? From groucho@skyweb.net Fri Mar 31 18:28:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86851 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 02:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 02:28:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 02:27:55 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.44] (pool-70-111-205-222.nwrk.east.verizon.net [70.111.205.222]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k312ReXM006313 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:27:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <442DE62B.30701@skyweb.net> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:32:11 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20060331124831.84147.qmail@web25805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <442DC89E.3020107@skyweb.net> <028601c65524$17f2ce90$6505a8c0@PossumHunter> <00a901c65532$a3f66ec0$d503fea9@stodd> In-Reply-To: <00a901c65532$a3f66ec0$d503fea9@stodd> X-Originating-IP: 66.6.128.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} WMUU Was: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145; y=X-SF9VqDN-z7-5hAZSD5Dy_NHz01Y7KD1BGRMqkfUsVuiw X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well its a 4 wire unipole on a tower thats 4 sided and 24 feet wide the skirt is 3 feet off the steel. I dont care for this site. however I have to live with what i have.... Scott Todd wrote: >No first-hand experience here, but engineers I trust say that they're best >for antennas 90deg or less in height. Above that it''s usually wasted >money. The width between the wires does tend to increase the bandwidth. > >Scott Todd > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Possum Hunter" > > >>How do you like the Folded Unipole? How is the signal compared to a >> >> >standard > > >>insulated tower? Is the bandwidth better? >> >> > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 19:38:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89663 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 03:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 03:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 03:38:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2006 03:38:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2006 03:38:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 03:38:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.98.254 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: L-R Bandwidth\State of radio... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=0NHOg2qh8fckUoJhbL2u55HxXUT4Pf8cnkU3Vde0wwBoo1EM X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > Hi=20 > Is this the same with the following radio I saw on Ebay?=20 Yes, Kaito is the same as Degen. Same manufacturer. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 19:52:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68322 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 03:52:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 03:52:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 03:52:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2006 03:52:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2006 03:52:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 03:52:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008d01c65530$6b8f9180$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.98.254 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Frequency Response Limitations for Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=MTRcYKl9MxmDDBZb4Nic6DWz0Ytr8T9pH0Qcbzf_7D13mspg X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > Not entirely accurate- there were a lot more people complaining=20 about the > Magnavox limitations than just Kahn. IIRC the maximum negative=20 modulation > was even less than Moto's. The two I liked best were Harris and=20 Belar, but > now I'd have settled for any one of them becoming a standard early=20 on so > that it would have been more common. It's a shame most listeners never got much of a chance to giove the=20 Belar system a try- If I recall correctly, it only was ever used on=20 WTOP and one other station. As for Magnavox, yes, the infamous thuds when 100% negative=20 modulation was reached... Actually, this was a problem with ALL of=20 them, until Motorola set it to 95% (and later 98%), solving the=20 proiblem. It should've been adopted by all the others! In theory, if you took the best technical features of each, you=20 could've had a better AM stereo system- And it didn't matter if it=20 was quadrature or phase-vbased. (This is why C-ISB is better than=20 Kahn ISB-- You have the advantages of C-QUAM while still having true=20 ISB performance.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Mar 31 21:32:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4405 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 05:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 05:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.187) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 05:32:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 85868 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Apr 2006 05:32:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20060401053218.85866.qmail@web25802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:32:18 PST Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:32:18 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Podcasting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=ZzQ-lUszJHEjKD34YnbrvspK_mUpSntYvIlEbbyCbBOgG7Viv9ri X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Amy, Yes that is what I was thinking myself but I know kids are playing their cds streaming over the net like that. I am sure lots of people are. That is why I asked. I know theres two provisions for playing music. I've seen them printed in CDs. Something about one can be played for public and the other is personal. I think its BMI and ASCAP or something like that. I could be wrong. So heres the thing. How does one aquire the rights to play songs over the internet from their CD collection? That is ultimately what some of these podcasters are doing. Another question cause you know i'm still learning! But...Ok so how do radio stations aquire rights to play all the music they play? Also what fees do they pay for the right to play that music over the air? Theres just so much to learn!! Let me know. -Kevin --- Amy Mousie wrote: --------------------------------- --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell wrote: > > I wanted to ask what you broadcasters think about > internet podcasting. I keep seeing these $250 sets > you can buy with a little mixer, mic, etc to plug into > your computer and do live shows over the net. First > off is this legal? I also hear of college students > doing this. Is it legal or are they just another > pirate station but just on the internet? Pretty neat > if everyone could do their own variety show but i'm > wondering if theres regulations to this. No license required to broadcast or podcast on the internet, not any moreso than it is to type or browse the internet (essentially the same technology). The ONLY issue is with usage of RIAA materials- You know, royalty fees and licensaing to actually use the music..... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum SPONSORED LINKS Stereo High performance Digital radio --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From grenert@yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 21:48:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: grenert@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66284 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 05:48:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 05:48:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.158) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 05:48:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 68166 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Apr 2006 05:48:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20060401054803.68164.qmail@web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.141.100.197] by web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:48:03 PST Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:48:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <005701c6552e$6d247440$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "James P. Grenert, MD, PhD" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Podcasting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=120617486; y=DICDGqUpsaQG9TeGxkGW--w8w-QdnzwkxUC-BP47lL3OWQ X-Yahoo-Profile: grenert www.epitonic.com www.podsiphon.com www.garageband.com Happy listening! -J. P. --- Scott Todd wrote: > I must > add there are websites which are clearinghouses for > music which is > license-free; usually newer indie bands who are > trying to break into the > industry. Sorry, I don't know what any of them are > but I have seen them > listed in the past. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 22:37:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38555 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 06:37:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 06:37:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 06:37:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2006 06:36:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2006 06:36:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 06:36:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060401053218.85866.qmail@web25802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.98.254 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Podcasting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=Hn_w36eBdk4zAwqCctp1yZXV4vCJegcrr03mScF3EYkPz2RZ X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 wrote: > > Amy, >=20 > Yes that is what I was thinking myself but I know > kids are playing their cds streaming over the net like > that. I am sure lots of people are. That is why I > asked. I know theres two provisions for playing > music. I've seen them printed in CDs. Something > about one can be played for public and the other is > personal. I think its BMI and ASCAP or something like > that. I could be wrong. So heres the thing. How > does one aquire the rights to play songs over the > internet from their CD collection? That is ultimately > what some of these podcasters are doing. Another > question cause you know i'm still learning! But...Ok > so how do radio stations aquire rights to play all the > music they play? Also what fees do they pay for the > right to play that music over the air? Theres just so > much to learn!! Let me know. In the US there are two publishing- rights/royalties/copyrights/licensing clearinghouses, BMI=20 (http://www.bmi.com/) and ASCAP (http://www.ascap.com/), both part of=20 the RIAA (http://www.riaa.com/). Both internet and RF broadcasts=20 services must get licensing contracts from these to use materials=20 that go through them. (Nearly all major-label stuff, for example.) Fees, i'm not entirely sure about, although it has been a struggle=20 for netcasters and broadcasters alike the last several years. I'd rather use non-RIAA materials, or materials by performers who see=20 it as freee advertising (like it once was) and waive any royalty=20 rights. I also prefer works that have escaped into the public domain,=20 or don't have copyrights in this country. But since internet usage is all closed-circuit, it's hard to tell=20 who's following the rules and who isn't. Those going through internet=20 radio services like Live365 have royalties integrated into their=20 subscription fees. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Sat Apr 01 04:42:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69439 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 12:42:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 12:42:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 12:42:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2006 12:42:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2006 12:42:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 12:42:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.43.228.32 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: RE: KPIG AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=SBqOq5R4QMuE8jN2k0osn5EtgshByN_fsKLGaIFNr5xdbldrcyNv X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Subject: RE: KPIG AM From: amstereo@meduci.com Date: Tue, Mar 21, 2006 5:27 am To: Mike Martindale=20 Thanks Michael for the update, AM stereo support, and for your detailed explanation. I will remove KPIG from the AM stereo station list. Thanks, Meduci, LLC Jeff Deck=20=20 -------- Original Message -------- Subject: KPIG AM From: "Mike Martindale"=20 Date: Sun, March 19, 2006 8:23 pm To: =20 According to your web page, KPIG AM is operating in Stereo.=20 Actually, Mt. Wilson Broadcasting pulled the stereo off a couple of years ago for reasons unknown to me before we took possession. I have attempted but not yet put it back in stereo for two reasons.=20=20 1) The antenna system has a lot of very sharp nulls.=20=20=20=20=20=20 2) The bandwidth of both the day and night patterns is very narrow. Stereo separation is marginal and distortion levels are a bit too high. The night suffers from extensive interference from=20 KGA, Spokane, WA at only 4 miles from the site in most directions=20 and the SFO / Oakland Bay Bridge reeks havoc with the signal day=20 and night.=20 Unfortunately, the array is located atop a warehouse roof in Oakland with very limited space. The towers are short and top loaded and spaced very close together and as a result, bandwidth is severely=20 sacrificed. As much as I would like to put it back into stereo I'm=20 leaning not to do it. It's frustrating because I really like AM=20 stereo.=20=20=20=20=20 Michael Martindale=20 Chief Engineer=20 KPIG AM 1510=20 Mapleton Communications=20 28 Second St. STE 501=20 San Franciaco, CA 94105 From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Apr 01 09:15:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93299 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 17:15:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 17:15:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.189) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 17:15:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 50059 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Apr 2006 17:15:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20060401171537.50057.qmail@web25804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 09:15:37 PST Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 09:15:37 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: L-R Bandwidth\State of radio... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=D1vsBHy_aIPW8mDN9LFJ9QspwZt24KRt3RnZlRtAbsWGvEnF2HzX X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke David, But radio stations no longer even play carts or CDs. They have all their music on hard disk (computer). And if you are an XM subscriber their music is in the MP2 format, not MP3 but MP2 which was an earlier format. I know because i've talked with the folks at XM and I directly asked them. I think using any compression format is just horrible. Back in the 80s they switched to playing CDs, it should have stayed that way. There are ways of doing music on hard disk without compression. Just use a non-compressed format such as wav or something else. The problem with that is that each file takes up more space than an MP2 or MP3 and therefore requires more hard disk space or more hard disks. That also takes up more physical space. There is one reason I can think of that is beneficial to them having it on computer and that is it's easier and faster to call up a song. On the other hand that can be done with CD's too. Just look at your home brew 300 and 400 CD changers that allow you to hookup a computer keyboard to them and save song information and titles. It is possible to do this and also to call the songs up to play using a computer. In fact I think that is what all the professional systems did, they were large units storing all the CDs that could be called up by the computer. I may be wrong on that and Amy could most likely correct me and get me straight on this. I am more an amateur or "prosumer" when making purchases. That is I like to get the best that my money can buy without breaking the bank. I have done lots of live recording over the years with church and also in school and college running the boards and recording those performances live. I'm also very comfortable on large board. I'm self taught. I am an audiophile so this is my hobby. Might very well at some point be a career as I am considering going back to school locally for broadcasting. Anyway I agree with you that more should be done about quality but the industry right now is more about quantitative issues than qualitative. It's always been about money. Faster and cheaper ways of doing things. Currently we are in a backwards tailspin with technology if you ask me. Just look at what we had in the last decade and half. We had nice expensive reference CD players that consumers could buy. We had DAT decks, etc. Now we've got cheap plastic piece of crap CD players so they came up with SACD and DVD-A to try and wow us away from our old CD players. The biggest thing is the young people and these iPODs. They'd rather listen to music at 128kbs versus a CD at 1142kbps. I think radio is going backwards in quality as well. I am 32 and I distinctly remember FM Stereo sounding much better in the 80s than it does now. This was when they were using CDs and not over compressing and limiting. There isn't much quality stereo sound being recorded now. Most of these kids listen to these rappers and all they care about is loads of BASS. They don't want cool sounds panning left and right and great effects, just make it boom boom boom and they are happy. The state of radio certainly isn't the broadcasters fault. They too would like to see quality go up but they are unfortunately limited by what the industry dictates and the big bad boys of the FCC. Thank goodness we have folks like Amy and Bill on here who push for better quality like AM Stereo. -Kevin --- david roland wrote: --------------------------------- low bit-rate digital grates on your nerves! analog is much better! what's needed is 20-20kHz analog broadcasts on both FM and AM where much of the music is derived from one of the new hi-definition digital formats, SACD or DVD-A. with these new formats, the sampling rate is high enough that the annoying metallic grating sound of digital sampling is pushed far above the range of human hearing and the perception is close to "perfect analog". even very well mastered redbook standard CDs don't sound good when compared to pristine vinyl (not even close, IMHO). SACD and DVD-A sound great and would be "the bomb" over a 20kHz am stereo broadcast played back on a newly designed analog receiver with all of the best noise rejection methods known to we humans included. david --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Norbert 26" wrote: > > EXACTLY !!!!! And what good does HD do me if i can't get a signal in the office or home or whereever ? At least analog yields a weak signal which is better then nothing........in an emergency such as a hurricane . There was nothing wrong with analog if it was used to the full potenial but no lets make americans throw away their good analog radios and fill up our landfills. Then we can flood the country with more chinese imported cheap radios all in the name of progress and to please HD Radio stock Holders . Now off my soapbox . > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Bell > Sent: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 04:44:17 -0800 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: L-R Bandwidth\State of radio... > > Hands down I have no doubt that analogue FM and AM if > broadcast in stereo without limitations such as those > by the FCC is better than HD. If they could broadcast > from 20-20khz on both it would be awesome. I am sure > it's possible and that we have the technology but they > are always dumping old technology for new. Many times > the older technology is far more developed and refined > and overall is a better product. I know that Analogue > FM and AM could and would be so much more if they > changed a few rules and allowed the fullest fidelity > possible. Some say "but HD has no static" . Well > that might be true but the truth is with HD you either > get it or you don't. You won't get some faint signal. > I'd rather have some signal than none. Thats what > all the DXing is all about. With digital if it can't > get a high enough signal it just acts as if there is > no signal there. > > -Kevin > > > --- Joe Collins wrote: > > > --------------------------------- > Thanks Kevin, > > I checked out Delta's web site and looked at the specs > for their C-QUAM exciter. They have a minimum > separation of 35 dB all the way up to ten k. I have > mentioned before that I was with WTAR in the late 80's > and I recall they had monster separation so that 7.5 k > number sort of threw me for a loop. > > Echoing what someone else has already said here > recently, I just can't for the life of me figure out > why every single AM station in this country is not > running stereo! I think we would be singing a very > different tune about HD if the AM band was already > providing the best quality audio that it is capable > of. I know it's all water under the bridge in many > respects now but reading about the plans for better > transmitters, better antennas and better radios from > the early days of AMS certainly makes one wonder what > went wrong. I can tell you this, if AMS had really > taken a hold like it was promised to do, you'd be > hearing a lot more music on AM and much, much higher > quality production values on Talk and Sports > programming to boot... Can you imagine anyone > purposefully putting a MONO FM station on now? Can > you imagine any sort of contemporary network music > oriented programming being fed to FM radio stations in > mono? No. Radio on both the AM and FM band could > sound so much better if the industry would just use > the technology that is currently out there. We have > audio processing technology now that can be almost > invisible but most of the stations I hear are over > processed, clipped to the point of distortion and > generally unlistenable for any long period of time.... > I'm sorry but that BUGS me and so does the lack of > Stereo programming on AM. We don't need to reinvent > the wheel to make radio sound better. (What HD is > trying to do...) We really just need to take full > advantage of the technology that is already our > there... > > Rant over.... Feel better! > > :) > > Joe Collins > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Apr 01 09:26:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84794 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 17:26:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 17:26:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.158) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 17:26:39 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2006 17:26:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2006 17:26:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2006 17:26:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 17:26:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.31.19 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: KPIG AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=zLjnIr9ywh3kPuAqWncXjunCpTeZTfOxLBRWZrfiq1OhtOZr X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie 1510 used to be classical, in Kahn ISB back in the day... REALLY good=20 sound, too. I forget the calls, though. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Apr 01 09:27:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55308 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 17:27:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 17:27:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.194) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 17:27:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 93880 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Apr 2006 17:27:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20060401172731.93878.qmail@web25809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 09:27:31 PST Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 09:27:31 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000a01c65518$fc420900$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: State Of Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=zwZmEHQfeb0K5if0Ibx5kDgLGwDKOufC9eJBv6wLTDMUe9m6sMg8 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Joe, I agree. This whole debate really reminds me of when I was sound engineer at a church. The music minister and some of his buddies had installed the sound equipment. Now this guy was used to doing live sound in a band because before he played in church and changed his life he played in bars. Well in bars you just play through a mono setup and crank it loud, thats all people in a bar care about, loud music! Anyways they had this beautiful nice expensive mixer, amps, and tape decks. All this was wired and setup in Mono. Well I wanted to at least send everything in stereo to the tape deck that was recording. Now mind you my dad was pastor and he said everyting sounded like crap! He couldnt hear himself on the monitors but the real complaint was the people who received tapes from the tape ministry. Things werent being recorded high enough and were in crappy mono. Well when I took over here I go changing wires and things around, changing the pan pots on the mixer and setting things up where I could record the church service in stereo. Well the music and background sounds that is because yes of course I had dads pulpit mike dead center in the mix equally out of both channels. I went back and listened and things sounded great. Well when the music minister found out I had made changes he started a stink because it wasn't "his" way. Well in the meantime the old folks receiving tapes had commented on how much better the sound was. Sadly I go in one day and the music minister and his buddies had set everything back to mono. Thats when I quit. Theres some folks Joe who just don't "get it". This has to be the same state for people in AM radio so I feel their pain. I recently pulled a reel to reel out of a live chorus concert I recorded back in the mid 90s and it sounded so great, so crisp, clear, and beautiful stereo sound. I used to always setup mikes in the rear as well to capture ambience and room acoustics. When I record I walk in firstly and look at the room or space. I think where people will be sitting and how they will hear it. That is how I get ideas for setting up mikes because when played back on tape I want it to sound as though you were sitting in front of them listening to the performance. If the piano is on the left that is where the sound goes, now not a dead left but enough to make the image sound like it does when it's performed live. Recording is artistry. Those who do not think of recording as art do not get it. Same way with AM Stereo. The engineers help create beautiful artful listening when they think on this level. -Kevin --- Joe Collins wrote: > Tom, > > All that is certainly true... What I was getting at > is the fact that it > SHOULD be so much better BY NOW. Over the past 20 > years I have been > involved with maybe 10 AM stations. With the > exception of one, WTAR, every > single one of them had stereo capable studios... But > they just didn't carry > it on to the STL and Transmitter.... Same thing > with two AM's I manage now. > I got laughed at when I suggested to the powers that > be that we should > upgrade our AM's to either C-QUAM or HD... No joke. > Obtuse thinking from > folks who don't know better but it is their money > and not mine. Still, the > radios are out there.... The exciters are out there. > So what if only ten > per cent of your audience can actually get stereo... > The stat's for FM and > MTS TV Stereo are somewhere between 30 and 50 > percent at best... Just like > you said, making the station stereo ready will make > for better mono audio as > well. So why hasn't the engineering community been > pushing this for the > last 20 years? Radio has no one to blame for the > sad state of affairs but > itself... Period. And, by the way, there is plenty > of room within both the > current AM and FM standards for improvement. > Hypothetically, you could > change the numbers around and get better freq > response out of both services > but in my opinion many of the audio evils that you > hear on the air today are > not a product of an outdated system but have more to > do with over processing > and bad audio being fed into the transmitter. > Garbage in/garbage out, plain > and simple. > > Joe Collins > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Apr 01 09:37:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29949 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 17:37:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 17:37:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao10.cox.net) (68.230.241.29) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 17:37:03 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060401173703.OAIF20441.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 12:37:03 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <8ABA0007-D814-45FF-8A2E-2A416679D14E@cox.net> Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 09:37:01 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KPIG AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=OWIYz4vuCQXe6EgHpctwilrmP_Hik_R5j7iUdH089aESWSzY55JS4cS9gEV7 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did they have the same antenna site? On Apr 1, 2006, at 9:26 AM, Amy Mousie wrote: > 1510 used to be classical, in Kahn ISB back in the day... REALLY good > sound, too. I forget the calls, though. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Stereo High performance Digital radio > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Apr 01 10:23:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34989 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 18:23:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 18:23:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 18:23:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2006 18:22:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2006 18:22:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 18:22:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060401172731.93878.qmail@web25809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.31.19 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: State Of Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=XPamUVHuXiu6ti0HNhp-Ls-YVsQpiiMeu38aG6eyeEzVdvPp X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 wrote: > Those who do not think of recording as art > do not get it. Same way with AM Stereo. The > engineers help create beautiful artful listening when > they think on this level. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: AM stereo is a labour of=20 love. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From wnmb@sc.rr.com Sat Apr 01 10:24:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63472 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 18:24:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 18:24:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 18:24:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2006 18:24:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2006 18:24:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 18:24:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c65518$fc420900$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.211.44.209 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: Re: State Of Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=IJJidzjq0DuFPzbHItlRx7MweREJFypft3KMoAO-c-aXQA X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Joe, you are 100% entirely correct. Whatever inequities have taken=20 place in the past; it no longer matters. It is only we broadcasters=20 who can control our destiny. As to stereo, My AM Stereo has better=20 separation than FM. The sound, on a good receiver, is absolutely=20 awesome. An interesting sidebar, my signal from WNMB simulcast on=20 local Cable tv on a basic channel. We use a simple Realistic TM-152=20 Am stereo receiver to feed into the cable modulator. I am now=20 constantly having people say to me "Hey, when did you go FM?" when=20 they hear the tv audio. I just laugh to myself, but say to them,=20 well, it's the same audio we have on the air at 900...it's just a=20 little AM Stereo receiver playing in the mono mode! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Collins" =20 wrote: > > Tom, >=20 > All that is certainly true... What I was getting at is the fact=20 that it=20 > SHOULD be so much better BY NOW. Over the past 20 years I have=20 been=20 > involved with maybe 10 AM stations. With the exception of one,=20 WTAR, every=20 > single one of them had stereo capable studios... But they just=20 didn't carry=20 > it on to the STL and Transmitter.... Same thing with two AM's I=20 manage now.=20 > I got laughed at when I suggested to the powers that be that we=20 should=20 > upgrade our AM's to either C-QUAM or HD... No joke. Obtuse=20 thinking from=20 > folks who don't know better but it is their money and not mine.=20 Still, the=20 > radios are out there.... The exciters are out there. So what if=20 only ten=20 > per cent of your audience can actually get stereo... The stat's=20 for FM and=20 > MTS TV Stereo are somewhere between 30 and 50 percent at best...=20 Just like=20 > you said, making the station stereo ready will make for better=20 mono audio as=20 > well. So why hasn't the engineering community been pushing this=20 for the=20 > last 20 years? Radio has no one to blame for the sad state of=20 affairs but=20 > itself... Period. And, by the way, there is plenty of room within=20 both the=20 > current AM and FM standards for improvement. Hypothetically, you=20 could=20 > change the numbers around and get better freq response out of both=20 services=20 > but in my opinion many of the audio evils that you hear on the air=20 today are=20 > not a product of an outdated system but have more to do with over=20 processing=20 > and bad audio being fed into the transmitter. Garbage in/garbage=20 out, plain=20 > and simple. >=20 > Joe Collins > From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Apr 01 10:25:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1470 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 18:25:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 18:25:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.204) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 18:25:02 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n13.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2006 18:25:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2006 18:25:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2006 18:25:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 18:25:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8ABA0007-D814-45FF-8A2E-2A416679D14E@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.31.19 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: KPIG AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=n99e-oCV1a653oLturphl9y45bMVoKXv-3C7Rs_i6ImAmL1w X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner =20 wrote: > > Did they have the same antenna site? I don't know- This was back in the mid-late '80s. I do recall they were=20 licensed to Oakland, though. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From wa2fnq@optonline.net Sat Apr 01 10:35:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49592 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 18:35:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 18:35:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 18:35:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2006 18:35:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2006 18:35:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 18:35:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: Podcasting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=04lSxvyxxRdIQwqAwdfdiOYI8AablOvVs0T7eVNjJP0x X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Personally I think Live365 leaves a WHOLE Bunch to be desired. If=20 you're interested in legally streaming on internet (not Podcasting=20 but internet radio) you might check out Loudcity=20 (http://www.loucity.net). They'll help you take care of your music=20 licensing at a reasonable rate. That's who I use. I run SHOUTcast=20 (http://www.shoucast.com) under OtsDJ (http://otsdj.com/). It's=20 easy. I'd post my web site but I only have a few streams available=20 right now and I don't want to overload things so my regular=20 listeners can't get in. If internet radio takes off, and I think it=20 will, I'll do something to increase my streaming capability. If you=20 want to contact me off the board I'll be happy to discuss things.=20 It's easy. Jerry WA2FNQ=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 > wrote: > > > > Amy, > >=20 > > Yes that is what I was thinking myself but I know > > kids are playing their cds streaming over the net like > > that. I am sure lots of people are. That is why I > > asked. I know theres two provisions for playing > > music. I've seen them printed in CDs. Something > > about one can be played for public and the other is > > personal. I think its BMI and ASCAP or something like > > that. I could be wrong. So heres the thing. How > > does one aquire the rights to play songs over the > > internet from their CD collection? That is ultimately > > what some of these podcasters are doing. Another > > question cause you know i'm still learning! But...Ok > > so how do radio stations aquire rights to play all the > > music they play? Also what fees do they pay for the > > right to play that music over the air? Theres just so > > much to learn!! Let me know. >=20 > In the US there are two publishing- > rights/royalties/copyrights/licensing clearinghouses, BMI=20 > (http://www.bmi.com/) and ASCAP (http://www.ascap.com/), both part=20 of=20 > the RIAA (http://www.riaa.com/). Both internet and RF broadcasts=20 > services must get licensing contracts from these to use materials=20 > that go through them. (Nearly all major-label stuff, for example.) >=20 > Fees, i'm not entirely sure about, although it has been a struggle=20 > for netcasters and broadcasters alike the last several years. >=20 > I'd rather use non-RIAA materials, or materials by performers who=20 see=20 > it as freee advertising (like it once was) and waive any royalty=20 > rights. I also prefer works that have escaped into the public=20 domain,=20 > or don't have copyrights in this country. >=20 > But since internet usage is all closed-circuit, it's hard to tell=20 > who's following the rules and who isn't. Those going through=20 internet=20 > radio services like Live365 have royalties integrated into their=20 > subscription fees. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Apr 01 11:29:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82506 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 19:29:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 19:29:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 19:29:33 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-199-71.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.199.71] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FPllD-0001H0-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 14:27:47 -0500 Message-ID: <012a01c655c2$58e951a0$6505a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060401171537.50057.qmail@web25804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 14:27:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: L-R Bandwidth\State of radio... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=PxB8ubRFXpZUF1VsnjhXGLf2mAj-edCfZYcPN6HN8EKIL_t6rAAm4dvvi-jnIA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin Bell wrote: >We had nice expensive reference CD players that consumers could buy. We had DAT decks, etc. Now we've got cheap plastic piece of crap CD players so they came up with SACD and DVD-A to try and wow us away from our old CD players. You can still buy Reference grade CD players. Look at the Jolida JD100 http://www.vacuumtube.com/JD%20603A.htm I have installed a few of them for audiophiles and they all LOVE this unit. McIntosh makes the MCD201 SACD/CD Player that is NOT cheap mass market garbage http://www.mcintoshlabs.com/mcprod/shopdisplayproducts.asp?prodid=1119&product=MCD201 DAT decks were regulated out of the market then made obsolete. > > The biggest thing is the young people and these iPODs. They'd rather listen to music at 128kbs versus a CD at 1142kbps. Many music groups record their stuff at home and use an iPod to play it back into the Record Label's master tape! > >I distinctly remember FM Stereo sounding much better in the 80s than it does now. This depends on the market and the station. During the Loudness war between the two Anderson FMs, WANS 107.3 and WCKN 101.1, they both got pretty grungy...then WKSF 99.9 in Asheville blew 'em both out of the water! Today's digital processing can make an FM sound wonderful or horrible. It is how they are set up. HD-Radio can make the Analog sound worse on FM due to QRM from the sidebands. The last time I was in the Upstate WHLC 104.5 had GREAT audio. > >There isn't much quality stereo sound being recorded now. Most of the Jazz labels still sound good. A&M has always had real good sound. > >The state of radio certainly isn't the broadcasters fault. They too would like to see quality go up but they are unfortunately limited by what the industry dictates and the big bad boys of the FCC. The piss-poor programming IS the broadcaster's fault! The poor sound quality has much to do with the over-compression of CDs to make them louder. Kids want their CDs to sound like they do on radio, so the recording engineers compress the audio. Well this music that is already over-processed wreaks havoc with the radio station's processing because it does not know what to do with it. Many times, this makes the station's processor LOWER the level making the compressed song not as loud as uncompressed audio, all while introducing HUGE amounts of distortion. The old 1980's "Killer" audio chain of 2 Texar Audio Pizms, an Optimod 8100 and a Modulation Sciences Composite Clipper sounds horrible with today's pop music. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Apr 01 12:24:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59357 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 20:24:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 20:24:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.194) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 20:24:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 57217 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Apr 2006 20:23:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20060401202354.57215.qmail@web25809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 12:23:54 PST Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 12:23:54 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <012a01c655c2$58e951a0$6505a8c0@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: L-R Bandwidth\State of radio... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=ruQjmgNm-V9g0Jwhn0E07KJbu5LjlwDKuV30ijozXVEocPZmK3Yb X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I used to listen to WANS in the 80s and it definitely sounded better than WCKN. WANS always seemed to have better high end whereas WCKN sounded muddier to me. If you can remember "WANS THE STATION THAT DOESNT SUCK" LOL!!! DAT decks. Hmm well they might not be selling many of them new but the tape is plentiful. You just have to buy it online. I now have a mint Sony DTC-700 DAT. Theres a lot of folks on various forums that still use them every day. In fact DAT's specs are better than most CD recorders. DAT goes out to 22khz whereas most CD players go to 20. Now yes we can't hear out to 22 but hey don't we love our specs, LOL! I just think a DAT is easier to edit than a dang CD recorder. With CD's you have to have everything right or you make yourself a coaster for cups. Personally I still think a cassette recorded properly on a good deck with levels set correctly sounds excellent. I have tons of cassette equipment. I've got decks in their boxes that i'm not using too. Well I have lots of equipment that way and then lots i'm using as well. It's a hobby. I seriously could start a stereo store, LOL!! And oh yes I take immaculate care of my stuff down to keeping their original boxes and paperwork. Yadda Yadda i'm just babbling on. Don't we just love everything that deals with sound and music! -Kevin --- Possum Hunter wrote: --------------------------------- Kevin Bell wrote: >We had nice expensive reference CD players that consumers could buy. We had DAT decks, etc. Now we've got cheap plastic piece of crap CD players so they came up with SACD and DVD-A to try and wow us away from our old CD players. You can still buy Reference grade CD players. Look at the Jolida JD100 http://www.vacuumtube.com/JD%20603A.htm I have installed a few of them for audiophiles and they all LOVE this unit. McIntosh makes the MCD201 SACD/CD Player that is NOT cheap mass market garbage http://www.mcintoshlabs.com/mcprod/shopdisplayproducts.asp?prodid=1119&product=MCD201 DAT decks were regulated out of the market then made obsolete. > > The biggest thing is the young people and these iPODs. They'd rather listen to music at 128kbs versus a CD at 1142kbps. Many music groups record their stuff at home and use an iPod to play it back into the Record Label's master tape! > >I distinctly remember FM Stereo sounding much better in the 80s than it does now. This depends on the market and the station. During the Loudness war between the two Anderson FMs, WANS 107.3 and WCKN 101.1, they both got pretty grungy...then WKSF 99.9 in Asheville blew 'em both out of the water! Today's digital processing can make an FM sound wonderful or horrible. It is how they are set up. HD-Radio can make the Analog sound worse on FM due to QRM from the sidebands. The last time I was in the Upstate WHLC 104.5 had GREAT audio. > >There isn't much quality stereo sound being recorded now. Most of the Jazz labels still sound good. A&M has always had real good sound. > >The state of radio certainly isn't the broadcasters fault. They too would like to see quality go up but they are unfortunately limited by what the industry dictates and the big bad boys of the FCC. The piss-poor programming IS the broadcaster's fault! The poor sound quality has much to do with the over-compression of CDs to make them louder. Kids want their CDs to sound like they do on radio, so the recording engineers compress the audio. Well this music that is already over-processed wreaks havoc with the radio station's processing because it does not know what to do with it. Many times, this makes the station's processor LOWER the level making the compressed song not as loud as uncompressed audio, all while introducing HUGE amounts of distortion. The old 1980's "Killer" audio chain of 2 Texar Audio Pizms, an Optimod 8100 and a Modulation Sciences Composite Clipper sounds horrible with today's pop music. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sat Apr 01 12:40:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83561 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 20:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 20:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 20:40:57 -0000 Received: from [4.247.120.92] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FPmtz-0001N0-0O for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 15:40:57 -0500 Message-ID: <380-22006461204113453@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.116.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 15:41:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bce2396de996925d5ac7383104aa703877350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: L-R Bandwidth\State of radio... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=TBjcPTREVcnSUAEXRx15b8FjiDwbb5FX77gxqZQXQoFXKw (AP) New York, NY. Spokesman Tom Ray, speaking for WOR Radio, announced today that WOR has decided to drop IBOC and return to C-Quam AM stereo. Mr. Ray stated that extensive testing had determined that the station was better off to return to AM stereo than continue with its experimental IBOC transmissions. Mr. Ray's statements caused quite a stir in the AM radio community. (P.S. Happy April Fool's Day! - the above info is not true, and sent only in fun.) Dick W. From kya1260@lycos.com Sat Apr 01 14:29:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22316 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 22:29:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 22:29:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 22:29:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 186ED1800127 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 22:36:02 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 1 Apr 2006 22:36:02 -0000 Received: by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0FFBF86B12; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 22:36:02 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 14:36:02 -0800 Received: from [69.109.105.17] by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 14:36:02 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060401223602.0FFBF86B12@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KPIG AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=J3OtEV-MxHeTAbO0SO7B75MjGZKFrGEuKhyCeZn0xLylXbnm_Q X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Yo, Amy/Richard... KPIG is 1510 AM, with the tower site formerly in San Rafael... The owner previous to the Mapleton Broadcast Group, which recently bought 1510, moved the site to near the KFAX 1100 site in Hayward, changed its city of license to Piedmont (next to Oakland) and added=20 multiple towers. It's signal is a real pip. Very directional; at night it goes to something like 238 watts, which can BARELY be heard in San Francisco; daytime it's 8,000 watts (no typo, it is an 8)... When it was classical at 1510, i believe the calls were KKHI, which=20 they picked up AFTER KKHI 1550 was purchased and the classical format of many years there was dropped. 1510's sister FM was also KKHI (simulcasting much of the time they were co-owned)... 1510, for a VERY BRIEF time, was KNOB Jazz AM Stereo 1510, in C-QUAM. I have a window-sticker I got from their Corte Madera=20 facility in the mid-1990s as evidence. It, too, sounded good,=20 plus they were 'live' with time-checks... Mount Wilson FM Broadcasters, aka Saul Levine, changed formats on 1510 about once every 13 months. It even, for a short time, brought back the KTIM call letters when it was Country in 2002. He sold the FM 100.9 to a Christian Broadcast group a few years ago (Salem?)... As for 1550, it is still < http://www.kyouradio.com > or podcast radio=20 (KYCY), and one of three flagship stations of the Oakland A's (KVON,=20 Napa, where I also work, is another of the three; Palo Alto's KNTS 1220,=20 ex-KIBE, ex-KDFC, is the third flagship)... Mike Martindale, 1510's engineer, was engineer at KVON/KVYN for 20 years before moving to San Francisco radio... --jay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amy Mousie" > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Re: KPIG AM > Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 18:25:00 -0000 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > wrote: > > > > Did they have the same antenna site? >=20 > I don't know- This was back in the mid-late '80s. I do recall they were > licensed to Oakland, though. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Apr 01 14:34:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27366 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 22:34:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 22:34:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 22:34:40 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-199-71.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.199.71] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FPog3-0003Ai-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 17:34:39 -0500 Message-ID: <018e01c655dc$73e632b0$6505a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060401202354.57215.qmail@web25809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 17:34:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: L-R Bandwidth\State of radio... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=-ZTg2jFILCQxGupAivT4ftj-6C7gOSIZgVFc4JyaPeF2ywHJjD2YSCXJkynQPA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin Bell wrote: >WANS always seemed to have better high end whereas WCKN sounded muddier to me. If you had seen WCKN's studio and transmitter site you would know why! LOL "Grum" the CE of WANS did a GREAT job. > > If you can remember "WANS THE STATION THAT DOESNT SUCK" LOL!!! I still have one of WKSF's "99.9 KISS-FM Chicken Buster" bumper stickers! I was listening when B/EZ WRLX (was WLOS-FM) made the format change to CHR as WKSF. It was funny. They were putting advertisers (Funeral homes and retirement centers) on the air cancelling their ads. I wonder how many dentists broke their drills that morning? About 2 weeks before the change I noticed WRLX's audio got MUCH louder and they cranked up the compression. This alone I am sure pissed off many of their listeners. At 6:00 that morning I was up getting ready for school and mom had her kitchen radio on WRLX. At first she was raising hell at me for changing the station...but it wasn't me! > >I just think a DAT is easier to edit than a dang CD recorder. I mix and edit in Cool Edit Pro 2.0 and save as .WAV files. I use Roxio to burn the .WAVs to CD Audio. > > Don't we just love everything that deals with sound and music! Yea, I love my gizmos too. I got this really KEWL Ranger RCI-2950DX 12 and 10 Meter mobile rig AND a RCI-5054DX-100 for nearly nothing at a yard sale ...so now I am cramming for the exam to get my HAM ticket so I can use the damned things! LOL Check out my new "toys": http://www.rangerusa.com/rci-29dx.html http://www.rangerusa.com/rci-5054dx.html In the same box I got the Rangers in, I also got a Galaxy 10 Meter rig that needs repairs http://galaxyradios.com/99.html along with old "Dream Radio" a Yaesu FT-101 http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj/ft101.htm and a FRIED Mighty Fine Junk antenna tuner with a whole bunch of Antenna stuff...all for $25 bucks "to get it outa here". Needless to say, the FT-101 is on my bench with spiffy new capacitors along with a new set of tubes in it and connected to my sloper. It has KILLER receive audio and I can't wait to get it on the air! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Apr 01 17:33:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+6Yl/+10+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73036 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2006 01:33:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2006 01:33:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2006 01:33:42 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.182]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 68906196 for ; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 19:33:41 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c655f5$8b1fbfa0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 19:34:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.212.182 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Frequency Response Limitations for Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=JF1a4jXbpA9KNoi_OFxJwzAoTmwlJjrnT7fRi-PWsMG-Mxg28Gn5 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Excellent observation. I always wondered what would happen if instead of the marketplace decision, the FCC forced the manufacturers to work together. I have my doubts Kahn would have participated, but we'd still have had more and better stereo. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > > In theory, if you took the best technical features of each, you > could've had a better AM stereo system- And it didn't matter if it > was quadrature or phase-vbased. (This is why C-ISB is better than > Kahn ISB-- You have the advantages of C-QUAM while still having true > ISB performance.) > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Apr 01 17:37:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+6Yl/+10+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 274 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2006 01:37:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2006 01:37:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2006 01:37:19 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.182]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 68293597 for ; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 19:37:14 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c655f6$0a0bd060$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 19:37:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.212.182 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Podcasting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=ia8p2Sjg7RG7OHm8M0DW5QhIIwXH6BBtTMNkL7xU57WQLVGuDd_W X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Actually there's a third- SESAC. A lot of stations got hammered just a few years ago for playing Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer when they didn't have a SESAC license. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > In the US there are two publishing- > rights/royalties/copyrights/licensing clearinghouses, BMI > (http://www.bmi.com/) and ASCAP (http://www.ascap.com/), From droland66@yahoo.com Sat Apr 01 17:39:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70628 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2006 01:39:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2006 01:39:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2006 01:39:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2006 01:38:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2006 01:38:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 01:38:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060401171537.50057.qmail@web25804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.62.179.16 From: "david roland" Subject: Re: L-R Bandwidth\State of radio... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=Gf8tBgCnUDc9da7Rq4B-5qwTkAuL-STw3nZU31k7uh_nqZAS X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 There are still some GREAT sounding CD's. take a listen to James=20 Blunt's Bedlam CD. Great fidelity and stereo separation. also,=20 while SACD is somewhat of a gimmick, it does sound very sweet and=20 viny like without the scratches and pops. Regular CD's would be=20 fine, too. The best scenario would be to go back to the 70's=20 technology and use heavy vinyl (not styrene but high quality vinyl,=20 mind you) mastered from analog sources with no digital in the chain=20 or at least from hi-rez digital sources that are beyond any=20 limitations vinyl can present. what's the matter with DJ's spinning=20 vinyl? i know it takes up lots of space and they wear out but DJ's=20 love spinning vinyl and it sounds so sweet! there is just something=20 about analog playback that sounds good to the ears, especially high=20 frequency precussion like cymbals. put it on 15kHz or even better,=20 20kHz analog AM stereo (a new improved perfected standard that fixes=20 all of the shortcomings) and AM becomes what FM was in the late 60's=20 and throughout the 70's... a Hi-Fi lovers dream... something like=20 that on a clear-channel with limited commercial interruptions that=20 are mostly read from a queue card by a live DJ would be nice. I say=20 bring back experimental radio and make it the original AM band and=20 then people will buy new receivers in droves. it only takes one=20 really great station per market to make it work well. one of the=20 great things about FM radio in its hayday was that the stations=20 could have the expensive turntables which allowed the radio to often=20 sound better than vinyl when played back on consumer hi-fi equipment=20 just because such nice turntables were too expensive for most people=20 to own but the FM circuitry was very well done (check out the FM=20 sound quality on old high-end Pioneer from the mid-70's, if the=20 station broadcasts a good sound, it'll blow your socks off. 70's=20 stations sounded even better because station owners cared back then). david --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 wrote: > > David, >=20 > But radio stations no longer even play carts or CDs. > They have all their music on hard disk (computer).=20 > And if you are an XM subscriber their music is in the > MP2 format, not MP3 but MP2 which was an earlier > format. I know because i've talked with the folks at > XM and I directly asked them. I think using any > compression format is just horrible. Back in the 80s > they switched to playing CDs, it should have stayed > that way. There are ways of doing music on hard disk > without compression. Just use a non-compressed format > such as wav or something else. The problem with that > is that each file takes up more space than an MP2 or > MP3 and therefore requires more hard disk space or > more hard disks. That also takes up more physical > space. There is one reason I can think of that is > beneficial to them having it on computer and that is > it's easier and faster to call up a song. On the > other hand that can be done with CD's too. Just look > at your home brew 300 and 400 CD changers that allow > you to hookup a computer keyboard to them and save > song information and titles. It is possible to do > this and also to call the songs up to play using a > computer. In fact I think that is what all the > professional systems did, they were large units > storing all the CDs that could be called up by the > computer. I may be wrong on that and Amy could most > likely correct me and get me straight on this. I am > more an amateur or "prosumer" when making purchases.=20 > That is I like to get the best that my money can buy > without breaking the bank. I have done lots of live > recording over the years with church and also in > school and college running the boards and recording > those performances live. I'm also very comfortable on > large board. I'm self taught. I am an audiophile so > this is my hobby. Might very well at some point be a > career as I am considering going back to school > locally for broadcasting. Anyway I agree with you > that more should be done about quality but the > industry right now is more about quantitative issues > than qualitative. It's always been about money.=20 > Faster and cheaper ways of doing things. Currently we > are in a backwards tailspin with technology if you ask > me. Just look at what we had in the last decade and > half. We had nice expensive reference CD players that > consumers could buy. We had DAT decks, etc. Now > we've got cheap plastic piece of crap CD players so > they came up with SACD and DVD-A to try and wow us > away from our old CD players. The biggest thing is > the young people and these iPODs. They'd rather > listen to music at 128kbs versus a CD at 1142kbps. I > think radio is going backwards in quality as well. I > am 32 and I distinctly remember FM Stereo sounding > much better in the 80s than it does now. This was > when they were using CDs and not over compressing and > limiting. There isn't much quality stereo sound being > recorded now. Most of these kids listen to these > rappers and all they care about is loads of BASS.=20 > They don't want cool sounds panning left and right and > great effects, just make it boom boom boom and they > are happy. The state of radio certainly isn't the > broadcasters fault. They too would like to see > quality go up but they are unfortunately limited by > what the industry dictates and the big bad boys of the > FCC. Thank goodness we have folks like Amy and Bill > on here who push for better quality like AM Stereo. >=20 > -Kevin >=20 >=20 > --- david roland wrote: >=20 >=20 > --------------------------------- > low bit-rate digital grates on your nerves! analog is > much better!=20=20 > what's needed is 20-20kHz analog broadcasts on both FM > and AM where=20 > much of the music is derived from one of the new > hi-definition=20 > digital formats, SACD or DVD-A. with these new > formats, the=20 > sampling rate is high enough that the annoying > metallic grating=20 > sound of digital sampling is pushed far above the > range of human=20 > hearing and the perception is close to "perfect > analog". even very=20 > well mastered redbook standard CDs don't sound good > when compared to=20 > pristine vinyl (not even close, IMHO). SACD and DVD-A > sound great=20 > and would be "the bomb" over a 20kHz am stereo > broadcast played back=20 > on a newly designed analog receiver with all of the > best noise=20 > rejection methods known to we humans included. >=20 > david >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Norbert 26"=20 > wrote: > > > > EXACTLY !!!!! And what good does HD do me if i can't > get a signal=20 > in the office or home or whereever ? At least analog > yields a weak=20 > signal which is better then nothing........in an > emergency such as a=20 > hurricane . There was nothing wrong with analog if it > was used to=20 > the full potenial but no lets make americans throw > away their good=20 > analog radios and fill up our landfills. Then we can > flood the=20 > country with more chinese imported cheap radios all in > the name of=20 > progress and to please HD Radio stock Holders . Now > off my=20 > soapbox .=20=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kevin Bell > > Sent: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 04:44:17 -0800 > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: L-R Bandwidth\State of > radio... > >=20 > > Hands down I have no doubt that analogue FM and AM > if > > broadcast in stereo without limitations such as > those > > by the FCC is better than HD. If they could > broadcast > > from 20-20khz on both it would be awesome. I am > sure > > it's possible and that we have the technology but > they > > are always dumping old technology for new. Many > times > > the older technology is far more developed and > refined > > and overall is a better product. I know that > Analogue > > FM and AM could and would be so much more if they > > changed a few rules and allowed the fullest fidelity > > possible. Some say "but HD has no static" . Well > > that might be true but the truth is with HD you > either > > get it or you don't. You won't get some faint > signal. > > I'd rather have some signal than none. Thats what > > all the DXing is all about. With digital if it > can't > > get a high enough signal it just acts as if there is > > no signal there.=20=20 > >=20 > > -Kevin > >=20 > >=20 > > --- Joe Collins wrote: > >=20 > >=20 > > --------------------------------- > > Thanks Kevin,=20=20 > >=20 > > I checked out Delta's web site and looked at the > specs > > for their C-QUAM exciter. They have a minimum > > separation of 35 dB all the way up to ten k. I have > > mentioned before that I was with WTAR in the late > 80's > > and I recall they had monster separation so that 7.5 > k > > number sort of threw me for a loop.=20=20 > >=20 > > Echoing what someone else has already said here > > recently, I just can't for the life of me figure out > > why every single AM station in this country is not > > running stereo! I think we would be singing a very > > different tune about HD if the AM band was already > > providing the best quality audio that it is capable > > of. I know it's all water under the bridge in many > > respects now but reading about the plans for better > > transmitters, better antennas and better radios from > > the early days of AMS certainly makes one wonder > what > > went wrong. I can tell you this, if AMS had > really > > taken a hold like it was promised to do, you'd be > > hearing a lot more music on AM and much, much higher > > quality production values on Talk and Sports > > programming to boot... Can you imagine anyone > > purposefully putting a MONO FM station on now? Can > > you imagine any sort of contemporary network music > > oriented programming being fed to FM radio stations > in > > mono? No. Radio on both the AM and FM band could > > sound so much better if the industry would just use > > the technology that is currently out there. We have > > audio processing technology now that can be almost > > invisible but most of the stations I hear are over > > processed, clipped to the point of distortion and > > generally unlistenable for any long period of > time.... > > I'm sorry but that BUGS me and so does the lack of > > Stereo programming on AM. We don't need to reinvent > > the wheel to make radio sound better. (What HD is > > trying to do...) We really just need to take full > > advantage of the technology that is already our > > there...=20 > >=20 > > Rant over.... Feel better! > >=20 > > :) > >=20 > > Joe Collins > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >=20 > >=20=20=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 > > --------------------------------- > > YAHOO! 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Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Apr 01 17:50:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+6Yl/+10+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47247 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2006 01:50:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2006 01:50:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2006 01:50:07 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.182]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 68295567 for ; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 19:50:06 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c655f7$d5fc4280$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060401202354.57215.qmail@web25809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 19:50:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.212.182 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: L-R Bandwidth\State of radio... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=HBDwwMMeIIl7qnufcdCgnKvMSSOMjws5t60hOunIdjWEgshsTBUg X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude But they were a maintenance nightmare. Focus on the Family had one guy doing nothing but repairing those things. They're great when they work right, but they're not quite robust enough for broadcast work. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" > DAT decks. Hmm well they might not be > selling many of them new but the tape is plentiful. > You just have to buy it online. I now have a mint > Sony DTC-700 DAT. Theres a lot of folks on various > forums that still use them every day. In fact DAT's > specs are better than most CD recorders. DAT goes out > to 22khz whereas most CD players go to 20. Now yes we > can't hear out to 22 but hey don't we love our specs, > LOL! From jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 01 18:59:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86942 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2006 02:59:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2006 02:59:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2006 02:59:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2006 02:58:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2006 02:58:49 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 02:58:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000901c655f5$8b1fbfa0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.149.215.210 From: "Jeff" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Frequency Response Limitations for Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=236606698; y=qOHczh8QYuFouMAVotjVDfhbfZ-RyynfK-_FBaE4y1uoj5cT-FExnNJZTXMtyiHCGBs X-Yahoo-Profile: jeff7472000 America regarded Ronald Reagan as something of a God, but where was=20 he when AM Stereo could use some help, as in settling on a system=20 standard for the United States? - -- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > Excellent observation. I always wondered what would happen if=20 instead of > the marketplace decision, the FCC forced the manufacturers to work=20 together. > I have my doubts Kahn would have participated, but we'd still have=20 had more > and better stereo. >=20 > Scott >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Amy Mousie" > > > > In theory, if you took the best technical features of each, you > > could've had a better AM stereo system- And it didn't matter if=20 it > > was quadrature or phase-vbased. (This is why C-ISB is better than > > Kahn ISB-- You have the advantages of C-QUAM while still having=20 true > > ISB performance.) > > > From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Apr 01 19:37:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82673 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2006 03:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2006 03:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.88) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2006 03:37:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2006 03:36:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2006 03:36:55 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 03:36:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.31.19 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Frequency Response Limitations for Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=qbb2Ir8ICN5iUQWNESnwDsRCoa0ZWG-416fQQ6hJp94KGiMV X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" wrote: > > America regarded Ronald Reagan as something of a God, but where was=20 > he when AM Stereo could use some help, as in settling on a system=20 > standard for the United States?=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Remember, he was a champion of supply-side economics, sometimes called=20 voodoo economics or just reaganomics. To him, the market was the place=20 for the decision. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Apr 01 23:59:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47038 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2006 07:59:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2006 07:59:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2006 07:59:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 23:58:57 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.44 by BAY106-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 07:58:56 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 07:58:57 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2006 07:58:57.0919 (UTC) FILETIME=[4BA2F0F0:01C6562B] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.75 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Voodoo Economics and the market place (ref to C-Quam am stereo) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=x8p39sF0hbWRrTdByBnwdCjBwFRAYOTyKOZf_1fCEDB-edYjwQr5sC0CKeQ X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amy, speaking of Ronald Reagan, wrote: >Remember, he was a champion of supply->side economics, sometimes called >voodoo economics........ Interestingly enough, George Bush the first of the Bush Dynasty coined the term "Voodoo Economics" in describing Reaganomics (also referred to trickle down economics), but he(Geroge Bush the first) later embraced the Voodoo Economics. Politics make strange bedfellows in both parties. (i.e. Ted Kennedy and George W Bush both on the same side of the immigration issue) Donn -----Original Message----- From: Amy Mousie Sent: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 19:36:54 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Frequency Response Limitations for Mono --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" wrote: > > America regarded Ronald Reagan as something of a God, but where was > he when AM Stereo could use some help, as in settling on a system > standard for the United States? Remember, he was a champion of supply-side economics, sometimes called voodoo economics or just reaganomics. To him, the market was the place for the decision. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Apr 02 00:46:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16749 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2006 08:46:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2006 08:46:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao11.cox.net) (68.230.241.28) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2006 08:46:50 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao11.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060402084616.LQN6244.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 04:46:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <66463F32-0E27-4D1D-81E0-4287611E37F8@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 00:46:15 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Voodoo Economics and the market place (ref to C-Quam am stereo) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=WS5qS-y_8QOwvamQGzJGPmUaRZLSqX2WJBiPBWRqdxbQaw8UBQxuO9Cdm1Hv X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner He really didn't. He was not a believer in trickle down, even though it proved to work quite well. He became more of a "tax and spend politician" than any Democrat at the time ... until his son got in charge. On Apr 2, 2006, at 7:58 AM, Donn Tillman wrote: > Interestingly enough, George Bush the first of the Bush Dynasty > coined the term "Voodoo Economics" in describing Reaganomics (also > referred to trickle down economics), but he(Geroge Bush the first) > later embraced the Voodoo Economics. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Apr 02 01:20:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2913 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2006 09:20:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2006 09:20:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.92) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2006 09:20:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 01:20:10 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.48 by BAY106-DAV20.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 09:20:06 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 09:20:06 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2006 09:20:10.0748 (UTC) FILETIME=[A411A3C0:01C65636] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Voodoo Economics and the market place (ref to C-Quam am stereo) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=6GEy5hHHf2DiY1E5h93UsdKk2mWBiTM7abb13wrKKx0MxxQSRdx0esv5Li0 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess it would have been more accurate to say, that he (George Bush the first) dropped his vocal opposition to Voodoo economics, once he became a part of the Reagan team. Voodoo economics would be a welcome relief to huge national debt to China and other foreign governments at this point in time; since China is a major player in financing the 1.5 billion dollars (not counting the supplemental appropriations) per week spent in Iraq. This is going to put the next president (whether Democrat or Republican) in a very precarious position, trying to rein in the largest federal deficit in our 225 year plus history and to finish what has been started in Iraq. (and possibly Iran by 2007 or 2008). At any rate we need a new and improved FCC and NAB working together to make the best use of the public's airwaves, instead of making stockholders the only concern. I don't envy the next president at all, to say the least it will be a very difficult challenge to put things back on course. I was talking to an older gentleman this evening, who served two tours of duty in Viet Nam, then was a New York City policeman for 20 plus years; he said he voted for George W Bush in 2000, but was now very concerned that it might take decades to get our finances and military and civil liberties back on course. Donn 27.761 latitude north ---------Original Message----------- From: Richard Wagoner Sent: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 00:46:15 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Voodoo Economics and the market place (ref to C-Quam am stereo) He really didn't. He was not a believer in trickle down, even though it proved to work quite well. He became more of a "tax and spend politician" than any Democrat at the time ... until his son got in charge. On Apr 2, 2006, at 7:58 AM, Donn Tillman wrote: > Interestingly enough, George Bush the first of the Bush Dynasty > coined the term "Voodoo Economics" in describing Reaganomics (also > referred to trickle down economics), but he(Geroge Bush the first) > later embraced the Voodoo Economics. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Apr 02 12:02:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+6Yl/+10+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93974 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2006 19:02:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2006 19:02:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2006 19:02:11 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.125]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 69061124 for ; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 14:02:10 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c65688$0498c6a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 14:02:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 17, in=12, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.125 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Frequency Response Limitations for Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=MebZUHeo-a5NLTpQKHWDz6oo5E6MdHs5RSJMUQ1yjpX9QSeeAwHc X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude While he did a lot of things right, this wasn't one of them I'll freely admit. Though government isn't the solution to everything, there is the legitimate role of setting standards and the marketplace debacle was proof of that. Too bad our beloved AM stereo had to be the sacrificial lamb. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff" > America regarded Ronald Reagan as something of a God, but where was > he when AM Stereo could use some help, as in settling on a system > standard for the United States? - > -- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > > > Excellent observation. I always wondered what would happen if > instead of > > the marketplace decision, the FCC forced the manufacturers to work > together. > > I have my doubts Kahn would have participated, but we'd still have > had more > > and better stereo. From droland66@yahoo.com Sun Apr 02 13:54:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75536 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2006 20:54:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2006 20:54:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2006 20:54:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2006 20:54:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2006 20:54:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 20:54:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002801c65688$0498c6a0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.62.179.16 From: "david roland" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Frequency Response Limitations for Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=vPnGn0Ivz5Rj_anckSs6A-92O2VfdOUWHXBdqwencswguj-3 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 If Kahn would only release sound clips of his CAM-D in 15kHz stereo=20 analog/digital hybrid mode received at night and decoded to reveal=20 all of its supposed glory... we can all hear his great invention for=20 ourselves, and maybe this debate would be settled. i, for one,=20 would like to hear how good it sounds. we already know how good/bad=20 AM IBOC sounds. david --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > While he did a lot of things right, this wasn't one of them I'll=20 freely > admit. Though government isn't the solution to everything, there=20 is the > legitimate role of setting standards and the marketplace debacle=20 was proof > of that. Too bad our beloved AM stereo had to be the sacrificial=20 lamb. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Jeff" >=20 >=20 > > America regarded Ronald Reagan as something of a God, but where=20 was > > he when AM Stereo could use some help, as in settling on a system > > standard for the United=20 States? - > > -- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > > > > > Excellent observation. I always wondered what would happen if > > instead of > > > the marketplace decision, the FCC forced the manufacturers to=20 work > > together. > > > I have my doubts Kahn would have participated, but we'd still=20 have > > had more > > > and better stereo. > From tomray@wor710.com Sun Apr 02 14:02:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97708 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2006 21:02:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2006 21:02:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2006 21:02:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2006 21:02:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2006 21:02:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 21:02:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003b01c655f7$d5fc4280$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: L-R Bandwidth\State of radio... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=cG1H9TV9SNBoPnqrooYLox-ckiTFysHNsFOMxTcqXSTRaBv9 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > But they were a maintenance nightmare. Focus on the Family had one guy > doing nothing but repairing those things. They're great when they work > right, but they're not quite robust enough for broadcast work. Not only that, but I've never seen any two aligned exactly alike.=20 Even the alignment tapes you buy are different from each manufacturer. There appears to be no standard. Tom Ray WOR From badeditpro@charter.net Sun Apr 02 22:06:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71088 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2006 05:06:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2006 05:06:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf38.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.165) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2006 05:06:23 -0000 Received: from mxip21a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip21a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.151]) by mxsf38.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3356LSG019603 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 01:06:21 -0400 Received: from 24-241-13-230.dhcp.rnrp.nc.charter.com (HELO yourfd6nvjcer4) ([24.241.13.230]) by mxip21a.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 03 Apr 2006 01:06:21 -0400 Message-ID: <001701c656dc$57755920$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 01:06:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.28.165 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: Responses & Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=nFkgpOgiHLesp8sLYfnJgRMxk8NcllcF55J6v2nLSSnMD5UXbHzYTVBljM6j X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whew! So much has been said that I want to jump in on.... I'll just throw in some points MP3 & MP3 It is true that MP2 is older than MP3 but it is a much higher quality compression system. MP2 at 4:1 sounds no different than the original audio source. There are no artifacts at all and therefore it is still used in professional hard drive audio delivery systems. MP3 makes smaller files by using three levels of lossy compression. MP3 was developed for situations where small files and low bit rates are essential, like sat feeds. It has become the defacto consumer standard for compressed digital sound. The real problem with MP2 and MP3 is that if you end up having to re-compress the audio for some reason like editing and then re-saving a file or if you put it through a digital STL system that uses a codec to lower the bit rate, the audio really starts to go down hill very quickly... If a station uses some sort of STL or TX method that involves compression it is best to start out with uncompressed or 'linear' audio from the hard drive. LOUD CD'S There is a really interesting paper written by Bob Orban and Frank Foti about the problems that 'hyper compression' of the audio on CD's can cause with audio processing.... I really wish the record companies hadn't gotten in a loudness war. The music on many CD's today is so loud you cannot stand to listen to them very long because of the fatigue the loud audio causes in your ears. Here's a link: http://www.euphonicmasters.com/orban_article.php AUDIO PROCESSING I am coming to the conclusion that somewhere along the way the makers of audio processing equipment for radio lost their way. All this multi-band stuff makes everything sound so dull and lifeless. Most people have no clue how to set it up and it is just plain too much. I have been reading a lot about the old CBS Audimax/ Volumaxes. There was a bunch of research that went into those boxes and if you go back and listen to good quality recordings of AM and TV stations that used that stuff, they sound great. CBS made some interesting stereo versions in the late 60's and early 70's for FM and I found an Audimax 4450 and a Volumax 4110 on eBay. They have not yet arrived but I am anxious to hear them in my home studio.... WNMB AUDIO. Bill, I am not surprised at all that folks are thinking that you are on FM! AMS is so damn clean and the C-QUAM decoder chip is a fine sounding detector even in mono mode. I used to DX with one of the Rad Shack AMS radios and it was super, even in mono. Keep up the good work! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Apr 02 22:41:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88786 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2006 05:41:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2006 05:41:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2006 05:41:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2006 05:41:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2006 05:41:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 05:41:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001701c656dc$57755920$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.88.225 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Responses & Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=Tvb_jDdX5YusdyV4LvbSpEp5RWR3r184-hYGOBKQRswb76Vn X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Collins" =20 wrote: > > The real problem with MP2 and MP3 is that if you end up having to > re-compress the audio for some reason like editing and then re- > saving a file or if you put it through a digital STL system that uses=20 > a codec to lower the bit rate, the audio really starts to go down=20 > hill very quickly... If a station uses some sort of STL or TX method=20 > that involves compression it is best to start out with uncompressed=20 > or 'linear' audio from the hard drive.=20=20=20 MP3DirectCut: http://mpesch3.de1.cc/mp3dc.html I use it. It does what it promises. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Apr 03 16:29:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97843 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2006 23:29:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2006 23:29:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2006 23:29:28 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-199-68.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.199.68] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FQYU7-0005sK-00; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 19:29:24 -0400 Message-ID: <022901c65776$70691490$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> To: Cc: Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 19:29:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: OT: Tropospheric Duct FM DX Catch X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=8YMhses_41KGOmOf1crv3ZXvizEpR9Fx79-DgqvLuafyCxBjpCs8Gf6QpRPNkg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 This morning there was some great FM Troposperic Duct FM DX. I Caught WZLA, WBZT, WOMG, WKSF, WSSL, WQUT, WFOX, and WNCW..along with several UN-IDs I was using a Channelmaster Stereo Probe antenna with a Magnum Dynalab FT-101 FM tuner. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From wnmb@sc.rr.com Mon Apr 03 18:28:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64037 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 01:28:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2006 01:28:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 01:27:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2006 01:27:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2006 01:27:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 01:27:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.211.44.209 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: We Appear to have started a debate. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=MCIYYtXFjVj6ZZeUBFytZ82EF-dkZ3SPrxPZMI1jHOCCJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Since we converted WNMB to AM Stereo and there was the little blurb=20 in Radio World, there seems to be a debate and dialogue taking place=20 about AM Stereo in other areas. Are any of you familiar with Radio- Info.com? Someone called my attention to it and it has gobs of post=20 about AM Stereo. Some posters want to know "What I've been=20 smoking!" Another said "Wow..Electrical interference in Stereo!".=20=20 However, most have been very supportive and many positive comments=20 have been made.=20 I got a call today from an owner in Pittsburgh who is giving serious=20 consideration to turning it on (AM Stereo)in 2 stations. Radio World is publishing the op-ed piece on 4/12. Folks, I really seriously believe there are lots of radio people out=20 there who don't know how many AM Stereo radios exist today. I know=20 there are more than I first thought. Finally,to the technical side, anything that sounds this good can't=20 be bad! We are running separation at around 52db with the new Delta=20 Exciter. Modulation is a nice high average with the new optimod=20 9100B, and one old taboo about c-quam we can definitely squash is=20 the loss of coverage thing. It just isn't so. We have no loss of=20 coverage. In fact, because our sidebands are strong with the C-quam=20 system, I think we have an increase in coverage. So, if all of you will talk it up elsewhere, like on the Radio- info.com site and others, we just may well see more c-quam stations=20 coming online than we see going away. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Apr 03 19:07:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91130 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 02:07:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2006 02:07:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 02:07:46 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-199-68.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.199.68] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FQaxN-0000Pk-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 22:07:46 -0400 Message-ID: <032901c6578c$9000fe60$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 22:07:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Alfredo-Lite Power Booster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=cJJrcYV6P6bMx1UUPzfG8ZWJ14HLByViQfFKzGiyWm-08NaaRAxlmHdkeJ3PNw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 How about 400 Watts from 10mw drive? http://www.surplussales.com/HamEquipment/rfpower.html AM Stereo on 75 Meters would be KEWL! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Apr 03 19:30:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21899 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 02:30:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2006 02:30:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 02:30:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2006 02:30:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2006 02:30:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 02:30:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.88.225 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: We Appear to have started a debate. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=cpxiBQnmptUJdTy9Cd39JuRCuHLtNm9gRZ55F03VeOwqm_HO X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > Folks, I really seriously believe there are lots of radio people out=20 > there who don't know how many AM Stereo radios exist today. I know=20 > there are more than I first thought. There's simply been no way to gauge how many have AMS receivers of any=20 kind, nor any mechanism that lets them know they're being heard IN=20 stereo. The car manufacturers are reluctant to put out figures of how=20 many AMS radios they've put on the road. But since not everyone=20 replaces their vehicle every three years (the national asverage) and a=20 good percentage of older vehicles are still on the road, AS WELL AS=20 that there are still new vehicles with AMS installed as of this year,=20 it's a good guess that AMS receiver saturation is probably about the=20 same as it was when the FCC estimated approximately 10% back in 1993. The only difference is fewer non-auto receivers on the market, and no=20 new aftermarket receivers. > Finally,to the technical side, anything that sounds this good can't=20 > be bad! We are running separation at around 52db with the new Delta=20 > Exciter. Modulation is a nice high average with the new optimod=20 > 9100B, and one old taboo about c-quam we can definitely squash is=20 > the loss of coverage thing. It just isn't so. We have no loss of=20 > coverage. In fact, because our sidebands are strong with the C-quam=20 > system, I think we have an increase in coverage. Better phase distribution, perhaps. :) Seriously, this has been noticed=20 by listeners of several AMS stations when they shut down their AMS.=20 This happened with Nashville's WSM, and it happened with LA's KFI.=20 (When CC shut off KFI's stereo, the station dropped down into the mud,=20 from where I am located... And they used to have a really good signal=20 on the coast.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Apr 03 19:39:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14096 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 02:39:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2006 02:39:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 02:39:22 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-199-68.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.199.68] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FQbRy-0004t5-00; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 22:39:22 -0400 Message-ID: <036c01c65790$fa1e1360$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> To: Cc: Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 22:39:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Tomorrow's Project X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=uCn2e3nVmTrkfkPKyrnsOsAlKekY0fcgONQ6WoyHGV9A6tLVbjrJOFL--vESFA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 One of my biggest bitches is the absolutely ROTTEN ground conductivity here in Central Florida. (Sand just does not conduct electricity!) so I am going to install the ultimate ground rod. Our family owns a Well Drilling service, so I am going to use a drilling rig to drill me a about a 200 foot hole and drop a copper ground strap in it! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Apr 03 21:42:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38100 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 04:42:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2006 04:42:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 04:42:37 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.44] (pool-70-111-205-222.nwrk.east.verizon.net [70.111.205.222]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k344gKXM029962 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 00:42:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <4431FA45.5090608@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 00:47:01 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 66.6.128.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} We Appear to have started a debate. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145; y=84FNMhyh-RHJmnmx0jPbrV06hsmXWb3YjoRntuPYbFODbQ X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Hello Bill up until november of 2005 I was running C-Quam AM stereo with the Harris Exciter on a DX-10 transmitter. We moved the station down to the Philly area. I ended up with a 10kw BE transmitter with an IBOC exciter. Due to transmitter problems interfacing the Harris exciter to the BE transmitter. I am no longer Running C-Quam... my DOE wont let me get the BE C-Quam exciter Board that should have come with the transmitter. My VP gave me the go ahead to run C-Quam if I can get it working..My Station Has been known to have some of the Best sounding AM stereo around. If done correctly IMO AM stereo sounds better than FM stereo. Now if you think your station sounds good in AM C-Quam stereo now that you Finally installed an Orban 9100B optimnod you can make it sound even Better If you Put an Ariane AGC infront of that 9100B the Ariane is under $3k Best investment you can make....http://www.translantech.com I always Hear that there are not many Am stereo radios out there... I then ask How many Ford cars were sold Between 2003 and 2006.... Most models came with radios that are AM stereo.... that's allot of radios IMO.. NONE have HD.. as Mr. Spock would say...AM Stereo Live long and prosper Until I hear some really good HD quality AM in only 10khz bandwidth... I support C-Quam.... Neal Newman-CE WTTM Bill Norman wrote: >Since we converted WNMB to AM Stereo and there was the little blurb >in Radio World, there seems to be a debate and dialogue taking place >about AM Stereo in other areas. Are any of you familiar with Radio- >Info.com? Someone called my attention to it and it has gobs of post >about AM Stereo. Some posters want to know "What I've been >smoking!" Another said "Wow..Electrical interference in Stereo!". >However, most have been very supportive and many positive comments >have been made. >I got a call today from an owner in Pittsburgh who is giving serious >consideration to turning it on (AM Stereo)in 2 stations. >Radio World is publishing the op-ed piece on 4/12. >Folks, I really seriously believe there are lots of radio people out >there who don't know how many AM Stereo radios exist today. I know >there are more than I first thought. >Finally,to the technical side, anything that sounds this good can't >be bad! We are running separation at around 52db with the new Delta >Exciter. Modulation is a nice high average with the new optimod >9100B, and one old taboo about c-quam we can definitely squash is >the loss of coverage thing. It just isn't so. We have no loss of >coverage. In fact, because our sidebands are strong with the C-quam >system, I think we have an increase in coverage. >So, if all of you will talk it up elsewhere, like on the Radio- >info.com site and others, we just may well see more c-quam stations >coming online than we see going away. > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Apr 03 23:42:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7172 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 06:41:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2006 06:41:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.189) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 06:41:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 53777 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Apr 2006 06:40:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20060404064051.53775.qmail@web25804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 23:40:51 PDT Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 23:40:51 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} We Appear to have started a debate. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=L7s86faHpttyBwXcaRkGVbhaTjQJ3jPX4EIexUZmOfJdUimXQ3P- X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Bill, Just out of curiosity are you running AM Stereo on your other stations? Just curious. The more the better! Maybe if all you broadcasters keep pushing perhaps someone will start to manufacture AM Stereo Tuners again! -Kevin in Greenville --- Bill Norman wrote: --------------------------------- Since we converted WNMB to AM Stereo and there was the little blurb in Radio World, there seems to be a debate and dialogue taking place about AM Stereo in other areas. Are any of you familiar with Radio- Info.com? Someone called my attention to it and it has gobs of post about AM Stereo. Some posters want to know "What I've been smoking!" Another said "Wow..Electrical interference in Stereo!". However, most have been very supportive and many positive comments have been made. I got a call today from an owner in Pittsburgh who is giving serious consideration to turning it on (AM Stereo)in 2 stations. Radio World is publishing the op-ed piece on 4/12. Folks, I really seriously believe there are lots of radio people out there who don't know how many AM Stereo radios exist today. I know there are more than I first thought. Finally,to the technical side, anything that sounds this good can't be bad! We are running separation at around 52db with the new Delta Exciter. Modulation is a nice high average with the new optimod 9100B, and one old taboo about c-quam we can definitely squash is the loss of coverage thing. It just isn't so. We have no loss of coverage. In fact, because our sidebands are strong with the C-quam system, I think we have an increase in coverage. So, if all of you will talk it up elsewhere, like on the Radio- info.com site and others, we just may well see more c-quam stations coming online than we see going away. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum SPONSORED LINKS Stereo High performance Digital radio --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Apr 03 23:53:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69879 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 06:53:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2006 06:53:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.176.244) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 06:53:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 70470 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Apr 2006 06:51:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20060404065143.70468.qmail@web25811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 23:51:43 PDT Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 23:51:43 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.176.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: We Appear to have started a debate. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=05mbgQTTltHqFvKxNfJbeSX2uaLXKKcUu6uAhqF-zhA1ig8_4s3f X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Amy, Perhaps one way the word could get out more is if stations could at least give away some free AM stereo tuners perhaps in their on air contests, etc. Or a few promotional units. If more than a few people in the community have them and can pick the station up in stereo then word will grow and find out about it. One listener becomes two and so on. People will begin to say "I don't want that old AM mono radio, I want a new Stereo radio!". I think i've heard that Sony still makes an AM Stereo radio and I think the local store near WNMB sells them. I think I read that on WNMB's website. At least someone is selling units locally and people can find out about AM Stereo through having an actual radio. I know i'd be listening if I had a stereo tuner and there were stereo stations in the area that operate the way WNMB does! -Kevin --- Amy Mousie wrote: --------------------------------- --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > Folks, I really seriously believe there are lots of radio people out > there who don't know how many AM Stereo radios exist today. I know > there are more than I first thought. There's simply been no way to gauge how many have AMS receivers of any kind, nor any mechanism that lets them know they're being heard IN stereo. The car manufacturers are reluctant to put out figures of how many AMS radios they've put on the road. But since not everyone replaces their vehicle every three years (the national asverage) and a good percentage of older vehicles are still on the road, AS WELL AS that there are still new vehicles with AMS installed as of this year, it's a good guess that AMS receiver saturation is probably about the same as it was when the FCC estimated approximately 10% back in 1993. The only difference is fewer non-auto receivers on the market, and no new aftermarket receivers. > Finally,to the technical side, anything that sounds this good can't > be bad! We are running separation at around 52db with the new Delta > Exciter. Modulation is a nice high average with the new optimod > 9100B, and one old taboo about c-quam we can definitely squash is > the loss of coverage thing. It just isn't so. We have no loss of > coverage. In fact, because our sidebands are strong with the C-quam > system, I think we have an increase in coverage. Better phase distribution, perhaps. :) Seriously, this has been noticed by listeners of several AMS stations when they shut down their AMS. This happened with Nashville's WSM, and it happened with LA's KFI. (When CC shut off KFI's stereo, the station dropped down into the mud, from where I am located... And they used to have a really good signal on the coast.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Apr 04 00:16:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62547 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 07:16:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2006 07:16:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.176.246) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 07:16:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 52495 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Apr 2006 07:15:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20060404071544.52493.qmail@web25813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 00:15:44 PDT Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 00:15:44 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.176.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: AM Stereo Audience Considerations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=AIo-P85FbddtUx-xQK2PXNikBDCz_Eubr7cM2fuQCt7_ai15JRze X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke You know another thing that would help AM Stereo catch on would be to radically change the dial's programming offerings. I'm not talking about taking away oldies or anything like that, I couldnt live without them!! Heres the thing. AM is mostly talk or oldies. I think it would catch on more if there were TOP 40 or CHR stations on it broadcasting in stereo. A large purchasing audience is the younger people, teens-20s. I think the programming offerings need to be more diverse. That is really the true way AM stereo could compete with the FM dial. It's not just in sound quality but also programming. Thats just my take on it as a listener. -Kevin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Apr 04 02:56:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15340 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 09:56:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2006 09:56:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.225) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 09:56:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n5.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2006 09:55:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2006 09:55:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2006 09:55:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 09:55:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060404065143.70468.qmail@web25811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.88.225 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: We Appear to have started a debate. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=vjPCukpcx8jcq2f6sQkX_vPbugyc6u8lQkypKECNDdxJSlmq X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 wrote: > > Amy, >=20 > Perhaps one way the word could get out more is if > stations could at least give away some free AM stereo > tuners perhaps in their on air contests, etc. Or a > few promotional units. If more than a few people in > the community have them and can pick the station up in > stereo then word will grow and find out about it. One > listener becomes two and so on. People will begin to > say "I don't want that old AM mono radio, I want a new > Stereo radio!".=20 Both Jeff Deck and Chris Cuff have made promotional AMS radios for=20 stations to give away. Threre once was a time when stations used to=20 do that. > I think i've heard that Sony still > makes an AM Stereo radio and I think the local store > near WNMB sells them. I think I read that on WNMB's > website. At least someone is selling units locally > and people can find out about AM Stereo through having > an actual radio. I know i'd be listening if I had a > stereo tuner and there were stereo stations in the > area that operate the way WNMB does! Yes, Sony still makes AMS radios- A complete line of them, in fact,=20 are still in there catalogue.... .....Their JAPANESE catalogue, that is! And that's the problem: Aside from importers like Audiocubes, there=20 are NO AMS receivers for sale, except for high-end models (Carver,=20 Fanfare, Japan Radio), in the North American market. It's actually Bill's station that is getting some of these radios,=20 plus getting ahold of older AMS radios for resale, and getting them=20 into the hands of those who WANT to hear WNMB in glorious AM=20 STEREO. :) Add to that Jeff Deck's Meduci tuner, being the only AFFORDABLE=20 domestic AMS radio you can buy new... OK, yes- It's $125, but try=20 buying a Fanfare at that price.. :) Can't do it, since it's something=20 like $1800 retail! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Apr 04 03:08:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53809 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 10:08:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2006 10:08:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 10:08:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2006 10:06:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2006 10:06:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 10:06:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060404071544.52493.qmail@web25813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.88.225 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: AM Stereo Audience Considerations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=_iw4Sar9Fz5rF6Wnbw80kAkgaiDoXLiSQ_BYSal9oa07SXsz X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 wrote: > > You know another thing that would help AM Stereo catch > on would be to radically change the dial's programming > offerings. I'm not talking about taking away oldies > or anything like that, I couldnt live without them!!=20 Oldies actually are the best for demonstrating AMS... :) Barndoor- wide separation! :) > Heres the thing. AM is mostly talk or oldies. I > think it would catch on more if there were TOP 40 or > CHR stations on it broadcasting in stereo. A large > purchasing audience is the younger people, teens-20s.=20 > I think the programming offerings need to be more > diverse. That is really the true way AM stereo could > compete with the FM dial. It's not just in sound > quality but also programming. Thats just my take on > it as a listener. Here's the killer: ROYALTIES. AM music stations largely dropped their music because of how=20 expensive it was getting to play the music. Gone are the days when=20 stations got promos and were encouraged to play 'em without having to=20 pay- It was, after all, a means of advertising! The labels and=20 artists weren't losing money, because airplay meant sales. Thus my=20 point about non-RIAA and free-to-air music from alternative sources.=20 The RIAA is very much to blame for the state of music today. I don't even care what format or genre of music gets played, just put=20 some effort into real programming worth listening to, and a real=20 commitment to local needs and service. This is why WNMB, an oldies=20 station, is doing as well as it has- It delivers both, and it does it=20 with OLDIES. And yes, the residernts of North Myrtle Beach, South=20 Carolina and surrounding communities are LISTENING. Thank you Bill, for showing us how radio SHOULD work. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Apr 04 04:55:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72202 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 11:55:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2006 11:55:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.195) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 11:55:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 31023 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Apr 2006 11:55:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20060404115522.31021.qmail@web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 04:55:22 PDT Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 04:55:22 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Audience Considerations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=tLnq1EoT15cHc1KZMS62KRDiIDlaj62eQrW76TbRqeQ3YxhqVZg4 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Amy, True but don't you still pay royalties for broadcasting oldies too? I wasn't trying to suggest that oldies should go away. Not at all. I am 32 and they are my favourite type of music. I just think that AM Stereo needs those other stations to get younger listeners and therefoe a larger listener base. People come to a dial for programming. We can't forget other segments of society that like other types of music. Maybe an 80s-90s station might attract people my age. What gets me about the new music stations these days is how they quickly disregard songs even from just a year or two ago. I remember here in the 80s you could listen to a "new music" station and also still hear hits from the last 10 years. So say if it were 1989 you might hear the B 52's loveshack but on the same station you might also hear Don Henleys "Dirty Laundry" which was from 1982. That is a difference of 7 years. Nowadays you are hard pressed to find a station play a current hit then go to one that is 7 years old. It seems these stations play the same 50 songs over and over. It's these conglomerates which I think has done more damage to radio in general than anything. These large companies buying up all the stations. It took away a lot of the community and local programming. I've noticed too that all the DJ's sound about the same, pretty dry and boring. I was listening to XM's 60's on 6 and every friday they remember one of the great AM Stations of the 60s. This week it will be WAKY from Louisville KY. I listened to the promo and they had a tape running of the DJ talking back then and he was almost screaming in the mic "wacky radioooooooo! WAKY....." and some more yells in there as it faded into Stevie Wonder's "Uptight Everythings Alright". Man that sounded like real radio where the DJ gets so riled up and excited about a song. Reminds me of "Good Morning Vietnam". I think we need more personality like that. If only they would think out of the conglomerate box. I love to listen to all those old tapes of 60s stations. I'd like to see an AM Stereo station come to town and really give the FM Top 40 stations a run for their money with new music mixed with music from the last 7 years or so and some real personality! I think that would sell. We need AM stations to compete with the FM stations like that. That's how its all done, good healthy competition and offering a product that consumers want. In this case Listeners but we should think of them as consumers. If I were a rich man this is what I think I would do. I'd open up a station and compete. At least it would be fun and maybe just maybe we'd get some serious listenership. Oh well we can dream can't we? -Kevin --- Amy Mousie wrote: --------------------------------- --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell wrote: > > You know another thing that would help AM Stereo catch > on would be to radically change the dial's programming > offerings. I'm not talking about taking away oldies > or anything like that, I couldnt live without them!! Oldies actually are the best for demonstrating AMS... :) Barndoor- wide separation! :) > Heres the thing. AM is mostly talk or oldies. I > think it would catch on more if there were TOP 40 or > CHR stations on it broadcasting in stereo. A large > purchasing audience is the younger people, teens-20s. > I think the programming offerings need to be more > diverse. That is really the true way AM stereo could > compete with the FM dial. It's not just in sound > quality but also programming. Thats just my take on > it as a listener. Here's the killer: ROYALTIES. AM music stations largely dropped their music because of how expensive it was getting to play the music. Gone are the days when stations got promos and were encouraged to play 'em without having to pay- It was, after all, a means of advertising! The labels and artists weren't losing money, because airplay meant sales. Thus my point about non-RIAA and free-to-air music from alternative sources. The RIAA is very much to blame for the state of music today. I don't even care what format or genre of music gets played, just put some effort into real programming worth listening to, and a real commitment to local needs and service. This is why WNMB, an oldies station, is doing as well as it has- It delivers both, and it does it with OLDIES. And yes, the residernts of North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina and surrounding communities are LISTENING. Thank you Bill, for showing us how radio SHOULD work. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum SPONSORED LINKS Stereo High performance Digital radio --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Apr 04 06:02:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88638 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 13:02:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2006 13:02:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 13:02:10 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-199-68.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.199.68] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FQlAG-0001DN-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 09:01:44 -0400 Message-ID: <009601c657e7$eb963730$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060404071544.52493.qmail@web25813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 09:01:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo Audience Considerations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=UCD5nwoCvSXvRjVtkNocVoFXso3IbETAxXInyrTKyATGQK71ni_169QmqmB5Pw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin Bell wrote: >I think it would catch on more if there were TOP 40 or CHR stations on it broadcasting in stereo. How about Hot AC like X-Bander 1630 KCJJ Iowa City, IA http://www.1630kcjj.com/ Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Apr 04 06:31:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48241 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 13:31:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2006 13:31:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 13:31:13 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-199-68.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.199.68] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FQlZ5-0004K6-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 09:27:23 -0400 Message-ID: <00ac01c657eb$80e5e940$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060404115522.31021.qmail@web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 09:27:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Audience Considerations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=cwDubrSp9qsnEZ_lNKSg9YcEdti3K2dPHiWjyqSZuxjddfg3B367Ty9i0Nyybg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: >I'd like to see an AM Stereo station come to town and really give the FM >Top 40 stations a run for their money I remember the days of 1440 WQOK "With four towers of power" With the Killer air chain of a CBS AudiMax into an Orban spring reverb into a Optimod 9000 with the disco mod into a Hamilton Modified BC5H, that station ROCKED! And there was 1280 WANS, 910 WORD "Word Ninety-One", and Daytimers 1540 WTYN and 1410 WPCC "Position Fourteen" Yea, the Upstate had some GREAT radio station back in the days, too bad they all SUCK today. > > If I were a rich man this is what I think I would do. I'd open up a > station and compete. 1300 WCKI in Greer is for sale. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Apr 04 07:23:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96591 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 14:23:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2006 14:23:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 14:23:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 53974 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Apr 2006 14:23:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20060404142340.53972.qmail@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 07:23:40 PDT Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 07:23:40 -0700 (PDT) To: AMstereo 2004 Cc: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: AM Stereo in Radio World X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=EYVQbf5CuJqnaUwoYGhP3BUJ8bWAvjKIXs1-ji7INSMXrHqPlG_gvpY X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Mr. Bill Norman, great article, good photo and great logo on page 61 of the April 12th Radio World publication! We can only wish that your article was in the paper 10 years ago, but nonetheless, it's here now, and maybe, just maybe, a few more pilots will go back on again...thanks Bill! At least a few stations still value quality AM for the millions that have AM stereo radios in their vehicles. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Apr 04 07:49:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4036 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 14:49:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2006 14:49:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.90) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 14:49:51 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 07:48:46 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.44 by BAY106-DAV18.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 14:48:43 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 14:48:43 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2006 14:48:46.0678 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0814F60:01C657F6] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in Radio World X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=Sa3s4I1n7daPcPzaNrRKIIVH2W0MmZU0NZMG15F8tfJSyishexTF4J6mdMA X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone have the link to the article; it may have been posted, but I seem to get these emails out of sequence. Often, I get several replies on a topic, before I get the original message in the thread. Donn st petersburg -----Original Message----- From: John P. Sent: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 07:23:40 -0700 To: AMstereo 2004 Cc: K.T. radio list AMS 2001 Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo in Radio World Mr. Bill Norman, great article, good photo and great logo on page 61 of the April 12th Radio World publication! We can only wish that your article was in the paper 10 years ago, but nonetheless, it's here now, and maybe, just maybe, a few more pilots will go back on again...thanks Bill! At least a few stations still value quality AM for the millions that have AM stereo radios in their vehicles. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Apr 04 07:54:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1618 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 14:51:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2006 14:51:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.215) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 14:51:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 10781 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Apr 2006 14:51:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20060404145111.10779.qmail@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.232.195.134] by web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 07:51:11 PDT Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 07:51:11 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00ac01c657eb$80e5e940$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: stations for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=ozSpDpC5xX-GYp8xRTUW5GCla82q4aoGK0Oyn9ZyAhQ X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > 1300 WCKI in Greer is for sale. So is 1300 WKSC in Kershaw SC. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Apr 04 09:16:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 846 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 16:16:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2006 16:16:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.186) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 16:16:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 88019 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Apr 2006 16:16:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20060404161624.88017.qmail@web25801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 09:16:24 PDT Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 09:16:24 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00ac01c657eb$80e5e940$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Audience Considerations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=oOa7qSVPeE7sI5XSl6lBd5UYDNTbap2Bwt21_GKj9NtkY05EyMKa X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Oh yeah WQOK is legendary in this area. All the baby boomers grew up listening to it. I remember listening to it in its last days when I was a kid and had one of those pocket AM radios. This was late 70s early 80s. I talked with one of the DJs that used to be on WQOK and he said they went silent in 1983. Those towers are still over there in Berea and I don't know which station it is that uses them but I think its a mexican station. There are like two mexican stations on the dial. Personally i'd like to program them out of my receiver just like I program out that mexican channel on the cable. They need to send back all those illegals in my opinion. This new program is nothing but an amnesty program. -Kevin --- Possum Hunter wrote: --------------------------------- Kevin Bell wrote: >I'd like to see an AM Stereo station come to town and really give the FM >Top 40 stations a run for their money I remember the days of 1440 WQOK "With four towers of power" With the Killer air chain of a CBS AudiMax into an Orban spring reverb into a Optimod 9000 with the disco mod into a Hamilton Modified BC5H, that station ROCKED! And there was 1280 WANS, 910 WORD "Word Ninety-One", and Daytimers 1540 WTYN and 1410 WPCC "Position Fourteen" Yea, the Upstate had some GREAT radio station back in the days, too bad they all SUCK today. > > If I were a rich man this is what I think I would do. I'd open up a > station and compete. 1300 WCKI in Greer is for sale. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Apr 04 09:29:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55813 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 16:28:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2006 16:28:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.187) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 16:28:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 81148 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Apr 2006 16:28:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20060404162853.81146.qmail@web25802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 09:28:53 PDT Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 09:28:53 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060404145111.10779.qmail@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} stations for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=aJM5ike8QhQg2uUIg6zATRpc0tz8k34QTVXuyZLqIzLVtlRt78CZ X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke 1300 is in Greer, SC. Greenville is the nearest big city. If you were to drive from Greenville to Greer you wouldn't even know you were in a different town. It's that close. -Kevin --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: --------------------------------- --- Possum Hunter wrote: > 1300 WCKI in Greer is for sale. So is 1300 WKSC in Kershaw SC. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Apr 04 10:51:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25033 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 17:51:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2006 17:51:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 17:51:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 21488 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Apr 2006 17:50:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20060404175021.21486.qmail@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.17] by web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 10:50:21 PDT Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 10:50:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060404162853.81146.qmail@web25802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} stations for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=v18iZsq7jRovVUu4AhWEuR6c-QCvthYea2LHI0g5WCs X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > 1300 is in Greer, SC. Greenville is the nearest big > city. If you were to drive from Greenville to Greer > you wouldn't even know you were in a different town. > It's that close. > -Kevin I started work with the phone company on Academy Street in Greenville. At that time Greer only had one exchange....877. That dates me. 271 was the "new" exchange "downtown" Powell Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Apr 04 11:12:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47794 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 18:12:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2006 18:12:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.221) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 18:12:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2006 18:11:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2006 18:11:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2006 18:11:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 18:11:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060404115522.31021.qmail@web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.72.49 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Audience Considerations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=YbNG3pASf-qML6VgupEI4NMwSCElw9DlZu_UMCrqtQxm8d1h X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 wrote: > > Amy, >=20 > True but don't you still pay royalties for > broadcasting oldies too? I wasn't trying to suggest > that oldies should go away. Not at all. I am 32 and > they are my favourite type of music. I just think > that AM Stereo needs those other stations to get > younger listeners and therefoe a larger listener base. I grew up on oldies, so I know what you mean. :) The thing is, alot of oldies recorded prior to 1968 or thereabouts=20 have expired copyrights (except for songwriting copyrights), because=20 these recordings had copyright terms made prior to 1978, which=20 allowed them less than 20 years per term, and one renewal. Those=20 renewed after 1978 are subject to the terms after that time. This=20 means alot of rock & roll's first two decades is now in the public=20 domain. (The Beatles' cataslogue isn't expected to go PD until=20 sometime in the next decade.) > People come to a dial for programming. We can't > forget other segments of society that like other types > of music. Maybe an 80s-90s station might attract > people my age.=20 We have one of those. :) > What gets me about the new music > stations these days is how they quickly disregard > songs even from just a year or two ago. I remember > here in the 80s you could listen to a "new music" > station and also still hear hits from the last 10 > years. So say if it were 1989 you might hear the B > 52's loveshack but on the same station you might also > hear Don Henleys "Dirty Laundry" which was from 1982.=20 > That is a difference of 7 years. Nowadays you are > hard pressed to find a station play a current hit then > go to one that is 7 years old.=20 Top 40, as we have known it, doesn't exist in America. But stations=20 like you describe are still commonplace outside the US, and yes, is a=20 key attraction to me to hear AC/Top-40/"The Best of Yesterday and=20 Today" on full-service stations from the UK, the Channel Islands,=20 Isle of man, Ireland, the Canaries, South Africa... American radio has lost its way, BIGTIME. > It seems these > stations play the same 50 songs over and over.=20 Actually, it's 300, but same diff. :) > It's > these conglomerates which I think has done more damage > to radio in general than anything. These large > companies buying up all the stations. It took away a > lot of the community and local programming.=20 The guy behind Clear Channel wanted to "McDonald-ise" American=20 radio... Well..... > I've > noticed too that all the DJ's sound about the same, > pretty dry and boring. I was listening to XM's 60's > on 6 and every friday they remember one of the great > AM Stations of the 60s. This week it will be WAKY > from Louisville KY. I listened to the promo and they > had a tape running of the DJ talking back then and he > was almost screaming in the mic "wacky radioooooooo! > WAKY....." and some more yells in there as it faded > into Stevie Wonder's "Uptight Everythings Alright".=20 > Man that sounded like real radio where the DJ gets so > riled up and excited about a song. Reminds me of > "Good Morning Vietnam". I think we need more > personality like that. If only they would think out > of the conglomerate box.=20 Problem is, most stations are empty storefronts. There's no "there"=20 there. As for DJs, I can only think of ONE DJ who is nationally distributed-=20 if you happen to have a Jones Network-affiliated "Good Times, Great=20 Oldies" station- and that's Dave Saunders, of "Dave's Diner" fame.=20 He's actually very good. But yes, DJs have gotten too bland in recent=20 years. > I love to listen to all > those old tapes of 60s stations.=20 Go to http://www.reelradio.com - You won't regret it. :) > I'd like to see an > AM Stereo station come to town and really give the FM > Top 40 stations a run for their money with new music > mixed with music from the last 7 years or so and some > real personality! I think that would sell. We need > AM stations to compete with the FM stations like that. The real successful station will be the one doing "live and local". > That's how its all done, good healthy competition and > offering a product that consumers want. In this case > Listeners but we should think of them as consumers.=20=20 Very much so. Happy listeners mean happy ad sales. :) > If I were a rich man this is what I think I would do.=20 > I'd open up a station and compete. At least it would > be fun and maybe just maybe we'd get some serious > listenership. Oh well we can dream can't we?=20=20 Venture capital. :) It can be fun- and don't TRY to compewte- Make trhe Other Guy sweat=20 it. :) Just have fun, and do your service to the community. Do all=20 that, you'll have listeners, and when you have the listeners, you can=20 rake in the advertising dollars. Once you do that, you'll realise=20 you're making money just by having fun. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Apr 04 12:41:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48764 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 19:41:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2006 19:41:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 19:41:11 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-199-68.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.199.68] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FQrM8-0006dJ-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 15:38:24 -0400 Message-ID: <01ba01c6581f$55242360$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060404161624.88017.qmail@web25801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 15:38:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Audience Considerations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=4lYxytm45Tvn0tPIh7i2Fqc3T2BG5BQh5tZl42C6em4gmvqkKsFiwmTVXOulvw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: >Those towers are still over there in Berea and I don't know which station >it is that uses them but I think its a mexican station. > >It is Clear Channel's 1440 WGVL. > >They need to send back all those illegals in my opinion. We Native American people have been saying that since 1492! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Apr 04 13:00:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67031 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 20:00:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2006 20:00:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 20:00:10 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-199-68.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.199.68] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FQrdY-0001Ag-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 15:56:24 -0400 Message-ID: <01c001c65821$d8d94300$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060404162853.81146.qmail@web25802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 15:56:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} stations for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=e8Daeea3xolCcvLpweIo242ANtf3yq2Ko5EXOzq2oD9v3ApT5DYhN68mQeOKnA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: > 1300 is in Greer, SC. Greenville is the nearest big city. Way back in the days of old, 1300 WCKI "Rebel Country" had a killer signal through Greenville. Now the old CCA AM1000D and Antenna Farm is getting pretty tired. I am sure if you rebuilt or replaced the transmitter and Ground system, WCKI would make it nearly to Easley again. They do have a really KEWL Gates Yard console in Production room 2. The only other equipment I would keep is the Otari reel recorder and the CD player. The mod monitor and CRL AM-4 Mono audio chain was installed in 92 for NRSC. The CCA AM 1000D is a Jimmy Rigged work of the art of Jimmy Rigging a transmitter. The ITC PDII cart machines are well worn. The rest of the Air Studio and all of Production Studio1 was rescued and salvaged after the big fire at WSPA in the late 60s! They have a WORKING Gates CONELRAD monitor in the engineering room! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Tue Apr 04 18:06:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37383 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2006 01:06:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2006 01:06:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.226) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2006 01:06:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2006 01:06:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2006 01:06:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2006 01:06:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 01:06:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.212.136 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: AM Stereo Audience Considerations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=BoG4ZrNFiiaJncNbrXXCNUegrc8C2XA2MEYRvnpqW04a_NZlPQ904w X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 > wrote: > > > > You know another thing that would help AM Stereo catch > > on would be to radically change the dial's programming > > offerings. I'm not talking about taking away oldies > > or anything like that, I couldnt live without them!!=20 >=20 > Oldies actually are the best for demonstrating AMS... :) Barndoor- > wide separation! :) >=20 > > Heres the thing. AM is mostly talk or oldies. I > > think it would catch on more if there were TOP 40 or > > CHR stations on it broadcasting in stereo. A large > > purchasing audience is the younger people, teens-20s.=20 > > I think the programming offerings need to be more > > diverse. That is really the true way AM stereo could > > compete with the FM dial. It's not just in sound > > quality but also programming. Thats just my take on > > it as a listener. >=20 > Here's the killer: >=20 > ROYALTIES. >=20 > AM music stations largely dropped their music because of how=20 > expensive it was getting to play the music. Gone are the days when=20 > stations got promos and were encouraged to play 'em without having to=20 > pay- It was, after all, a means of advertising! The labels and=20 > artists weren't losing money, because airplay meant sales. Thus my=20 > point about non-RIAA and free-to-air music from alternative sources.=20 > The RIAA is very much to blame for the state of music today. >=20 > I don't even care what format or genre of music gets played, just put=20 > some effort into real programming worth listening to, and a real=20 > commitment to local needs and service. This is why WNMB, an oldies=20 > station, is doing as well as it has- It delivers both, and it does it=20 > with OLDIES. And yes, the residernts of North Myrtle Beach, South=20 > Carolina and surrounding communities are LISTENING. >=20 > Thank you Bill, for showing us how radio SHOULD work. :) >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > I liked the RIAA better when they confined themselves to establishing and e= nforcing EQ=20 standards for phonograph records. Now they've turned into a real pain in the keester and an impediment to the= growth of low=20 power and internet radio. db From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Apr 04 19:28:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45416 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2006 02:28:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2006 02:28:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2006 02:28:45 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-199-68.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.199.68] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FQxlA-0000Xx-00; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 22:28:40 -0400 Message-ID: <03cd01c65858$a4a8cc90$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> To: Cc: Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 22:28:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Heavy Metal for sale on Ebay! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=k5lYO7fS6zgEyZUyZUAR8IV_5QNFj5f7lQhsGxREWX-FGhfKCrKvDievp0p_Xw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are THREE Heavy Metal auctions on Ebay this eve! An RCA BTA1R just like mine: http://cgi.ebay.com/RCA-BTA-1R-1KW-AM-BROADCAST-TRANSMITTER_W0QQitemZ9707390002QQcategoryZ4675QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem An ITA AM- 1000A http://cgi.ebay.com/AM-RADIO-BROADCAST-TRANSMITTER-1000-WATT_W0QQitemZ9708361810QQcategoryZ296QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem And a CCA AM1000D the seller thinks is an ITA http://cgi.ebay.com/AM-RADIO-BROADCAST-TRANSMITTER-1000-WATT_W0QQitemZ9708364692QQcategoryZ296QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem and here is a Boat Anchor! http://cgi.ebay.com/TMC-GPT-750-AM-transmitter-and-GPR-90-receiver-pair_W0QQitemZ9706986031QQcategoryZ4675QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Speaking of boats, here is the PERFECT rig for broadcasting from International Waters, a Harris BC-10P http://cgi.ebay.com/10KW-HARRIS-AM-TRANSMITTER-NEW-TUBES_W0QQitemZ7605814698QQcategoryZ53107QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem: Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From baansy@yahoo.com Tue Apr 04 20:03:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58287 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2006 03:03:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2006 03:03:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web50013.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.85) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2006 03:03:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 68892 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Apr 2006 03:03:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20060405030355.68890.qmail@web50013.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.173.128.90] by web50013.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:03:55 PDT Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 20:03:55 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060404071544.52493.qmail@web25813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: ANDREW BAANS Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo Audience Considerations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728; y=ZbbYfkmb6Ew83oqd8kciTzDJswByPLdCmAXHAEKtRebY X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kevin Bell wrote: You know another thing that= would help AM Stereo catch on would be to radically change the dial's programming offerings. I'm not talking about taking away oldies or anything like that, I couldnt live without them!!=20 Heres the thing. AM is mostly talk or oldies. I think it would catch on more if there were TOP 40 or CHR stations on it broadcasting in stereo. A large purchasing audience is the younger people, teens-20s.=20 I think the programming offerings need to be more diverse. That is really the true way AM stereo could compete with the FM dial. It's not just in sound quality but also programming. Thats just my take on it as a listener. -Kevin I think you're absolutly right. It looks as though they have done just= that with 1053 2CA in Canberra Australia. =20=20=20 The format is now very similar to MMM FM. They now still play older songs= from the 70's and 80's but the also play newer ones as well. =20=20=20 The problem is alot people my age 30 and below have never heard of AM STE= REO and the ones that have are sceptical of the sound quality until you giv= e them a listen and then they are really surprised. =20=20=20 It also does not help much when 2CA does not even say on air or on their = logo that they are still broadcasting in stereo. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 =20=20=20=20 --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS=20 =20=20=20=20 Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. =20=20=20=20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com =20=20=20=20 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Apr 04 21:24:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33496 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2006 04:24:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2006 04:24:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jiwire-member.com) (130.94.64.226) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2006 04:24:31 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dummy.domain.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id 608731E3230; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 01:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from your75ojnaappr (unknown [10.2.6.31]) by jiwire-member.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 01:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00cb01c65868$ae607d40$8400000a@your75ojnaappr> To: Cc: References: Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 23:23:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0614-1, 04/04/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 130.94.64.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John / Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: {AMSF} We Appear to have started a debate. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=U2bjbyWdsEfjc9LvTC0_vqL32WD_AUFJGq8-nnP3GwXCndk X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill, My last day at Three Eagles in Mason City, Iowa was Friday, and during my time there we turned the AM Stereo back on at KRIB-1490. It is running now and sounds great. My motivation was some banners they had, AND the fact that they used to sound great when I listened in the 90's. Anyway the banners they had said AM Stereo, so I asked the Engineer, Ron Schacht what happened. He explained then I asked if I could help him get it back on. it only took about an hour of re-wiring and some adjusting.Then WOW........ I made many airchecks of the Stereo from my SRF A100, and when I return to Florida I will make CD copies and let everyone know how to get a copy if you so desire. I hope to visit WNMB this summer. God knows I love the Beach, and I love Beach music. maybe I can make it up during a shag contest or convention. Juan Gualda Ft. Pierce, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Norman To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 8:27 PM Subject: {AMSF} We Appear to have started a debate. Since we converted WNMB to AM Stereo and there was the little blurb in Radio World, there seems to be a debate and dialogue taking place about AM Stereo in other areas. Are any of you familiar with Radio- Info.com? Someone called my attention to it and it has gobs of post about AM Stereo. Some posters want to know "What I've been smoking!" Another said "Wow..Electrical interference in Stereo!". However, most have been very supportive and many positive comments have been made. I got a call today from an owner in Pittsburgh who is giving serious consideration to turning it on (AM Stereo)in 2 stations. Radio World is publishing the op-ed piece on 4/12. Folks, I really seriously believe there are lots of radio people out there who don't know how many AM Stereo radios exist today. I know there are more than I first thought. Finally,to the technical side, anything that sounds this good can't be bad! We are running separation at around 52db with the new Delta Exciter. Modulation is a nice high average with the new optimod 9100B, and one old taboo about c-quam we can definitely squash is the loss of coverage thing. It just isn't so. We have no loss of coverage. In fact, because our sidebands are strong with the C-quam system, I think we have an increase in coverage. So, if all of you will talk it up elsewhere, like on the Radio- info.com site and others, we just may well see more c-quam stations coming online than we see going away. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Apr 05 01:39:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60839 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2006 08:39:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2006 08:39:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.176.248) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2006 08:39:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 37990 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Apr 2006 08:39:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20060405083910.37988.qmail@web25815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 01:39:10 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 01:39:10 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.176.248 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Audience Considerations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=1gnwbA_9MnJy0sGBjE0j86h09jiM4w2l8WStT8hwXxgESwg6NmRn X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke "Top 40, as we have known it, doesn't exist in America. But stations like you describe are still commonplace outside the US, and yes, is a key attraction to me to hear AC/Top-40/"The Best of Yesterday and Today" on full-service stations from the UK, the Channel Islands, Isle of man, Ireland, the Canaries, South Africa..." I couldn't agree with you more. I love UK radio and listen to it on the internet. Back in college, which was not that long ago, I started listening to Heart 106.2 from London. It's an AC station but boy do they have a mix! I love UK radio because I always hear some band i've never heard before. I have ordered CD's from overseas like that of music I liked. Guys on the hall in college would hear me playing these bands and be like "who is that....where do I get that". I have friends from the UK that went to college with me and of course they are back in the UK now but they'll send me a CD at times. I do agree though that American radio lost its way. I distinctly remember it went on an automatic downhill slump when 1990 rolled in. It was like all this new stuff and a lot of radio stations went off the air here, bought out by the conglomerates. Things changed rather quickly. There was an era in the early 90s where our old standby stations had left and these new ones came in. Well these new ones might last a year or two then they changed formats, letters, you name it. None of those stations lasted. I think it was around 1994 when B 93.7 came on the air. They are still here. All the others are gone. We had a Q 93 , a 103 X (this was an alternative music station, the alternative grunge scene hence the X). It didn't last either. -Kevin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wnmb@sc.rr.com Wed Apr 05 02:09:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49126 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2006 09:09:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2006 09:09:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02-eri0.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.101) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2006 09:09:01 -0000 Received: from BillNorman (rrcs-24-199-186-206.midsouth.biz.rr.com [24.199.186.206]) by ms-smtp-02-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k3598wLA014243 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 05:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001001c65891$164a2d20$6701a8c0@BillNorman> To: References: <00cb01c65868$ae607d40$8400000a@your75ojnaappr> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 05:12:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "WNMB" Subject: Re: {AMSF} We Appear to have started a debate. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=Cezs5RNWRyqnuX_WkO92BWdPt4Eu8z020kXbXne7WmydJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, Thanks for contacting me and sharing your AM Stereo story. Thanks for getting it turned on in Iowa! Do come to North Myrtle Beach! We will be happy to meet you. Bill Norman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Apr 05 04:43:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84275 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2006 11:43:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2006 11:43:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2006 11:43:26 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-199-68.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.199.68] helo=PossumHunter) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FR6PC-0004Pw-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 07:42:34 -0400 Message-ID: <007201c658a6$05d37f40$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060405083910.37988.qmail@web25815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 07:42:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Audience Considerations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=_9lIZxIPo8WBDk0z6lmbJMgPYPXQOUXCz0boEw2-rwqsI7ChpCLuMir0gdXhTQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: >I love UK radio and listen to it on the internet. Back in college, which >was not that long ago, I started listening to Heart 106.2 from London. Back in the day, UK radio SUCKED! That is why they all used to listen to the offshore pirates! > >There was an era in the early 90s where our old standby stations had left >and these new ones came in. Before the corporations ruined Upstate radio, we did have some good stations. Let's see, we had: WWNC 570 Country WESC 660 Country WEAB 800 Country-Bluegrass WLBG 860 Country WORD 910 Top-40 WSPA 950 Full Service WHYZ 1070 R&B WMUU 1260 B/EZ -Christian WAIM 1230 Full Service WANS 1280 Top-40 WCKI 1300 Country-Gospel WFBC 1330 Full Service WELP 1360 Country WHPB 1390 Country WKDY 1400 Country WPCC 1410 Top-40 WQOK 1440 Top-40 WMRB 1490 Big Band / Nostalgia WSJW 1510 Country WASC 1530 R&B WTYN 1540 Top-40 WBBR 1580 Country-Gospel WFIS 1600 Full Service WSBF 88.1 College WEPR 90.1 South Carolina Educational Radio WESC 92.5 MOR WBBO 93.3 Jazz WFBC 93.7 Light Pop WMUU 94.5 B/EZ WROQ 95.1 AOR WXRC 95.7 AOR WKLS 96.1 AOR WCRS 96.7 MOR WFOX 97.1 AOR WSNW 981 B/EZ WSPA 98.9 Classical WLOS 99.9 B/EZ WLBG 100.5 MOR WAIM 101.1 AOR WHVL 102.5 MOR WRIX 103.1 Full Service WELP 103.9 B/EZ WBBQ 104.3 Top-40 WAGI 105.3 MOR WMIT 106.9 Religious WANS 107.3 MOR WBT 107.9 B/EZ Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Apr 05 09:54:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79715 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2006 16:54:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2006 16:54:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2006 16:54:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2006 16:54:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2006 16:54:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:54:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.45.159 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Gene Pitney dead at 65 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=cYhwuzM21A5bD-oAKEB6dfrZQI3uVVvCQAH7eW5muJe63piw X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie This morning's news is sad- Gene Pitney was found dead in his hotel=20 room in Cardiff, Wales, UK, apparently of a sudden heart attack. He was=20 in the middle of a 23-day UK tour. The singer/songwriter best known for=20 songs like "Town Without Pity" and "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance",=20 and other hits of the 1960s, passed away at age 65. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Wed Apr 05 09:55:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28721 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2006 16:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2006 16:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.191) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2006 16:55:08 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n24.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2006 16:54:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2006 16:54:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2006 16:54:56 -0000 Date: 5 Apr 2006 16:54:56 -0000 Message-ID: <1144256096.11315.82716.w103@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /Separation 3.mp3 Uploaded by : wnmb900 Description : WNMB AM Stereo Promo You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/Separation%203.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, wnmb900 From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Apr 05 11:38:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75462 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2006 18:38:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2006 18:38:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.214) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2006 18:37:59 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n23.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2006 18:37:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2006 18:37:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2006 18:37:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 18:37:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1144256096.11315.82716.w103@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.45.159 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=Og9M_gv25xN_xTKSrQlqakBDWoNU2nzXsY8ciI8sXGGFP5Cm X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Bill, > File : /Separation 3.mp3=20 > Uploaded by : wnmb900 =20 > Description : WNMB AM Stereo Promo=20 WOW! There needs to be more AMS promos like that for anyone who wants them... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Apr 05 15:14:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18216 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2006 21:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2006 21:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.193) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2006 21:35:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 66364 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Apr 2006 21:35:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20060405213516.66362.qmail@web25808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 14:35:16 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:35:16 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=l6oYZaUNUp5BL2WVLddrcSokkN_jl-Ql3_JTz0GVIMih86lYoYIu X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Amy, LOL!! I've got a good one for stereo seperation for ya. Just play the song "Meeting in the ladies room" by Klymaxx from the 80s, LOL!!! Hey it has some good panning of effects, especially on this 8 minute version! I have this 80s cd I got at walmart called 80s dance and that song is on it. Actually a lot of those 80s tunes had good seperation and panning effects. Haha, I thought about you when this song came on and the fact you were talking about stereo seperation. Think about an AM Stereo station rocking out to that one! hahahaha Have a good one Amy!! -Kevin --- Amy Mousie wrote: --------------------------------- Bill, > File : /Separation 3.mp3 > Uploaded by : wnmb900 > Description : WNMB AM Stereo Promo WOW! There needs to be more AMS promos like that for anyone who wants them... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum SPONSORED LINKS Stereo High performance Digital radio --------------------------------- YAHOO! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Wed Apr 05 16:08:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 593 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2006 23:08:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2006 23:08:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-MTAout1.csiro.au) (150.229.64.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2006 23:08:41 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.56]) by vic-MTAout1.csiro.au with ESMTP; 06 Apr 2006 09:08:42 +1000 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.04,91,1143986400"; d="scan'208"; a="74096758:sNHT31346224" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:08:40 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:08:40 +1000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Gene Pitney dead at 65 Thread-Index: AcZY0aiLoEUrcNPTSGWWFC1YisQrrwANAsgA To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2006 23:08:40.0749 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0C715D0:01C65905] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.64.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Gene Pitney dead at 65 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=bGSpTz-4xW41DDUrNG0s7sCtHTnqeKtxvFAMBeDbG1ZF -----Original Message----- From: Amy Mousie This morning's news is sad- Gene Pitney was found dead in his hotel=20 room in Cardiff, Wales, UK, apparently of a sudden heart attack. He was=20 in the middle of a 23-day UK tour. The singer/songwriter best known for=20 songs like "Town Without Pity" and "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance",=20 and other hits of the 1960s, passed away at age 65. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ =20 Very sad Amy. =20 I can't recall a better performer (and song writer). I've seen him live a couple of times and he was sensational and so were his backing orchestras. GP was unique and will be missed. Ian From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Apr 05 18:05:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80156 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2006 01:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2006 01:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.88) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2006 01:05:17 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:05:16 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.48 by BAY106-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 01:05:11 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereo@bellsouth.net Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 01:05:11 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2006 01:05:16.0978 (UTC) FILETIME=[2ADAE920:01C65916] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: Dennis' AM Stereo List: Gene Pitney dies. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=wpjFkmjyGJQsxlrMVKVDFmMS6b9QA4hkhs9unZyoT5103a1gTz63Uys8ag8 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Here are some songs by Gene Pitney played on XM within the last few days.=20 01) 24 HOURS FROM TULSA=20 02) BACKSTAGE=20=20 03)EVERY BREATH I TAKE=20=20 04) I'M GONNA BE STRAIGHT 05) IT HURTS TO BE IN LOVE=20 06) LOVE MY LIFE AWAY=20=20 07) MECCA=20=20=20=20 08) ONLY LOVE CAN BREAK A HEART=20=20=20 09) SHE'S A HEARTBREAKER THE MAN=20 10) WHO SHOT LIBERTY VALENCE=20 11) TOWN WITHOUT PITY=20=20=20 -----Original Message----- From: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Sent: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:07:22 -0700 To: Dennis' AM Stereo List Mailing List Subject: Dennis' AM Stereo List: Gene Pitney dies. -----Original Message----- From: Dennis M. Falk This morning's news is sad- Gene Pitney was found dead in his hotel room in Cardiff, Wales, UK, apparently of a sudden heart attack. He was in the middle of a 23-day UK tour. The singer/songwriter best known for songs like "Town Without Pity" and "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance", and other hits of the 1960s, passed away at age 65. Very sad Dennis. I can't recall a better performer (and song writer). I've seen him live a couple of times and he was sensational and so were his backing orchestras. GP was unique and will be missed. Ian --- Dennis' AM Stereo List Continuing the AM Stereo Experience! From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Apr 06 16:06:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+G47S+14+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44357 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2006 23:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2006 23:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2006 23:06:30 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.220]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 70069179 for ; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:06:25 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c659ce$d312d680$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <036c01c65790$fa1e1360$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:07:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 20, in=32, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.220 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tomorrow's Project X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=t0dLr2wL-46eVul2jfZdd-1aY1lgHDa7S52GNkJsd9y9yMucsmbt X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You only need to hit the first water table. But I know what you mean, lots of sand where I live too. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > One of my biggest bitches is the absolutely ROTTEN ground conductivity here > in Central Florida. (Sand just does not conduct electricity!) so I am going > to install the ultimate ground rod. Our family owns a Well Drilling service, > so I am going to use a drilling rig to drill me a about a 200 foot hole and > drop a copper ground strap in it! From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Apr 06 16:14:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+G47S+14+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62538 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2006 23:14:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2006 23:14:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2006 23:14:24 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.220]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 70070115 for ; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:14:22 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c659cf$efd42d40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <4431FA45.5090608@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:15:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 20, in=33, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.220 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} We Appear to have started a debate. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=ie3tcXh6-PCTc8BAro4a1hQvCF72_YxfBebx-7DzAITtIHuu_JRY X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Neal, Could you describe those problems in a bit more detail? I'm hoping to help you find a solution. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Newman" >Due to transmitter problems > interfacing the Harris exciter to the BE transmitter. I am no longer > Running C-Quam... my DOE wont let me get the BE C-Quam exciter Board > that should have come with the transmitter. My VP gave me the go ahead > to run C-Quam if I can get it working.. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Apr 06 16:30:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+G47S+14+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45590 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2006 23:30:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2006 23:30:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2006 23:30:05 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.220]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 69924943 for ; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:28:15 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c659d1$e0238920$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060404115522.31021.qmail@web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:28:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 20, in=9, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.220 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Audience Considerations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=n9KlvWwnr-cK62i_2clg-YhitpO_9aRT23J_5iSSkU4CPHeNYywb X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Instead of studying to become a radio announcer, why don't you study to become a radio station owner? That way you won't have to dream. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" > I'd like to see an > AM Stereo station come to town and really give the FM > Top 40 stations a run for their money with new music > mixed with music from the last 7 years or so and some > real personality! I think that would sell. We need > AM stations to compete with the FM stations like that. > That's how its all done, good healthy competition and > offering a product that consumers want. In this case > Listeners but we should think of them as consumers. > If I were a rich man this is what I think I would do. > I'd open up a station and compete. At least it would > be fun and maybe just maybe we'd get some serious > listenership. Oh well we can dream can't we? From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Apr 06 17:00:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+mBAO+15+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54522 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2006 00:00:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2006 00:00:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2006 00:00:21 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.220]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 69460890 for ; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 19:00:20 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d201c659d6$5b629aa0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <00cb01c65868$ae607d40$8400000a@your75ojnaappr> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:00:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 18, in=24, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.220 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} We Appear to have started a debate. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=2GcoHvQbFDwxMbAvEnqcgloECO9WvZxGrPmmP16-EPymGiGoMq6c X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Wish I had known you were leaving. I might have made a special trip to Mason City to meet you. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "John / Juan Gualda" > > My last day at Three Eagles in Mason City, Iowa was Friday, and during my time there we turned the AM Stereo back on at KRIB-1490. It is running now and sounds great. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Apr 06 17:13:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+mBAO+15+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81213 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2006 00:13:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2006 00:13:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2006 00:13:36 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.220]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 70079452 for ; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 19:13:35 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c659d8$354d3c60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <03cd01c65858$a4a8cc90$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:14:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 20, in=34, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.220 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Heavy Metal for sale on Ebay! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=VvzXZ9fBIBbtlDM0E7Af64bYsFre6IrUHjZs04i1VYKf1obDl5y9 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I have a Wilkinson that looks like that ITA, and somewhat like that CCA. Both were spinoffs of ITA, IIRC. The guy with that 10kW is dreaming if he thinks he can get anywhere near what he's asking. BTW, it's a 10P2. I've got a 5P2 from one of the stations I'm now working for. If I can afford to pour a concrete pad in front of my storage building this summer, I'm going to start cleaning them up. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > There are THREE Heavy Metal auctions on Ebay this eve! > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Apr 06 19:46:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77689 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2006 02:46:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2006 02:46:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2006 02:46:32 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-199-68.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.199.68] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FRgzN-0002EJ-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 22:46:22 -0400 Message-ID: <046401c659ed$72364bc0$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <036c01c65790$fa1e1360$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> <002601c659ce$d312d680$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 22:43:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tomorrow's Project X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=4mhOBE6LJErkYKQQq3zaKfLBwUhwd6Nxexl_LPd-4ABMw6CVLnKpPeYcC2oE3g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Scott Todd wrote: > You only need to hit the first water table. But I know what you mean, > lots of sand where I live too. Oh I hit it alright. What I did was basically install a Steel Cased 4" round 200' Deep Water Well, only instead of putting a pump down the hole, I dropped a 210 foot long 3" wide copper strap down the hole and at the top I brazed the strap to the Steel casing. I ran a 3" strap to the ground lug on my lightning arrestor and a 2" strap inside to my Ground bus and to the radio. WOW! That made a BIG difference. It brought the ground noise down to near the noise floor of the receiver and I am getting stations that I couldn't even tell was there before. A good Ground makes a big difference! Was a 200 foot deep "ground rod" overkill? Yea, but it sure works good. Man my Part 15 ROCKS with that ground! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Apr 06 23:34:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33115 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2006 06:34:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2006 06:34:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.195) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2006 06:34:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 79469 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Apr 2006 06:34:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20060407063411.79467.qmail@web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 23:34:11 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 23:34:11 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004e01c659d1$e0238920$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Audience Considerations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=LknGhyUhIio5oFLcjhIA89Qaeo2OPgZw_7_xqjyofj_vKLcJXkoM X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Scott, Yeah if I were rich. I'm going to have a hard enough time paying off college loans! Don't think owning a radio station is in my future ever but I do think I could possibly be on radio in the future and that is ok with me. -Kevin --- Scott Todd wrote: --------------------------------- Instead of studying to become a radio announcer, why don't you study to become a radio station owner? That way you won't have to dream. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" > I'd like to see an > AM Stereo station come to town and really give the FM > Top 40 stations a run for their money with new music > mixed with music from the last 7 years or so and some > real personality! I think that would sell. We need > AM stations to compete with the FM stations like that. > That's how its all done, good healthy competition and > offering a product that consumers want. In this case > Listeners but we should think of them as consumers. > If I were a rich man this is what I think I would do. > I'd open up a station and compete. At least it would > be fun and maybe just maybe we'd get some serious > listenership. Oh well we can dream can't we? Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Apr 06 23:48:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28812 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2006 06:48:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2006 06:48:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.176.247) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2006 06:48:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 76300 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Apr 2006 06:48:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20060407064831.76298.qmail@web25814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 23:48:31 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 23:48:31 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.176.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: DAT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=MHnwQcIckDlPWwkPPjOjMAjbGr6CRD3kwGwTcqo_b9gkIF3P6QWn X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke How many people have DAT and know much about it? I have recently got a Sony DTC-700 and am trying to figure it all out. I seem to be having a little trouble though with the rewind. The machine is in perfect physical order. It plays awesome, records awesome, fast forwards awesome but seems weak on rewind. If you fast forward the tape a little then rewind it, it starts slowing down till it stops and the "caution" light comes on. Now after you leave the machine on for a couple hours and play a tape all the way through she rewinds like she should. I read in the manual that the "caution" light comes on when theres Dew (condensation)in the unit. However that light only comes on in rewind mode when it slows and stops before reaching the end of the tape. Theres no other problems whatsoever, all functions work beautifully. It really has nice fidelity. The gentleman I purchased it from swears he never used it more than 40 hours total and I believe it because the machine is beautiful and looks brand new. I don't think the remote was ever used. He had bought 16 blanks and used maybe 5. The rest are still in the box and all the rest sealed in their original plastic wrappers. The cleaning cassette was never opened either. He even included his sales receipt where he bought it and it was indeed bought by him. The machine is beautiful and built like a tank with the all aluminum face and the gold feet on it. I just wonder what may be the problem with the rewind being weak? Any ideas folks? I pulled off the top cover just to have a quick look at the innards and she's as clean as a pin. The heads look shiny and new. It really looks brand new. It has all original paperwork. This is as mint as a machine like this gets. Any ideas on the rewind problem? Also suggestions for service centers in case there is a problem? I live in upstate South Carolina. The gentelman also included 5 pre-recorded classical DAT tapes. Man the sound quality on DAT is just awesome. The detail in things such as cymbal brushes are just immaculate. I just wish I knew what the rewind problem could be. Any ideas you AM STEREO engineers?? Thanks yall and take care. God Bless. -Kevin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From orxata_d_xufa@yahoo.es Fri Apr 07 07:29:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: orxata_d_xufa@yahoo.es X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37556 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2006 14:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2006 14:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.176) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2006 14:29:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n9.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2006 14:29:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2006 14:29:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2006 14:29:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:29:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060407064831.76298.qmail@web25814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 81.202.74.1 From: "orxata_d_xufa" Subject: Re: DAT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192122520; y=CUIA8awiSK9rsHxu4sdrLf9_ySAWkIxUj80L8WmViLHHsrDU78CLzQ X-Yahoo-Profile: orxata_d_xufa --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 wrote: > > How many people have DAT and know much about it? I > have recently got a Sony DTC-700 and am trying to > figure it all out. I seem to be having a little > trouble though with the rewind.=20 It seems like some belt has become loosen,dry(old) or even greasy from=20 other parts from the mechanism.Check it carefully as you make it work=20 to see those parts when rewinding. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Apr 07 08:34:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28331 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2006 15:34:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2006 15:34:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2006 15:34:31 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-199-68.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.199.68] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FRstG-0000fv-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:28:50 -0400 Message-ID: <062901c65a57$f5ce2420$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060407064831.76298.qmail@web25814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:28:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} DAT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=dCZmtzIloyvKEvBooWEHrKxI8pQ58l5W7MM8JKeJ1LCe3HBM1rs9fEvf-mt6Fw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote >I have recently got a Sony DTC-700 and am trying to figure it all out. I >seem to be having a little trouble though with the rewind. If I remember correctly, that machine uses a friction wheel much like many VCRs to rewind the tape. Some times they are easy to get to, sometimes they are not! If you don't want to "practice" on your rig, Greentron in Greenville does great work on tape transports. Don't let Don Jones Stereo touch it. When I was running Custom Electronics, I fixed a LOT of stereo equipment that was butchered by Don Jones! You may want to contact The Analog Store http://www.theanalogstore.com/index.htm I don't know if Alex will work on a DAT, but he sure does wonderful work. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Apr 07 09:08:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49635 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2006 16:08:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2006 16:08:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2006 16:08:13 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-199-68.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.199.68] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FRtRa-0004yx-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:04:18 -0400 Message-ID: <067701c65a5c$e9cdd670$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060407063411.79467.qmail@web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:03:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Audience Considerations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=zw13WVdF_w1WAx0KD_jbqyl5JObg0-75wkUnDRKlEsVO92ecrj9Fosp71r4ZHA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: > Yeah if I were rich Don't think owning a radio station is in my > future ever I have seen several owners of small 1 to 5 KW Daytimers actually LIVE in the studios of the station! They go live for Morning and Afternoon drive then run it on auto-pilot for mid day and Summer evenings until sign-off. Since you can often buy these stations for the price of the land they are sitting on, most Middle Class Americans should be able to buy one of these stations. Since most banks won't touch a Daytimer, just finance the land...you may even be able to work an advertising trade for part or all of the payments. Living on-site would be KEWL! After sign-off you can switch the series fed tower over to your HAM radio set up and run a boat anchor on 160 Meters right into the tower...or retire the old tube monster off of the air and replace it with a BE with built-in C-QUAM, then run the old transmitter on 160 meters. Ah, the FUN you can have in a radio station! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Apr 07 10:09:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49901 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2006 17:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2006 17:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.203) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2006 17:09:36 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n12.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2006 17:09:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2006 17:09:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2006 17:09:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:09:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <067701c65a5c$e9cdd670$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.16.153 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Audience Considerations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=iTnBpH7rJ6xvY0_RT33-nP6Ig8MNIKgX_OKzg1HrxVD6nK2o X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > Since=20 > you can often buy these stations for the price of the land they are=20 sitting=20 > on, most Middle Class Americans should be able to buy one of these=20 stations.=20 > Since most banks won't touch a Daytimer, just finance the land...you=20 may=20 > even be able to work an advertising trade for part or all of the=20 payments. The problem isn't necessarily the cost of the station, but the cost of=20 the license. The FCC doesn't make it all that easy, with license fees. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From wnmb@sc.rr.com Fri Apr 07 10:35:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85977 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2006 17:35:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2006 17:35:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.179) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2006 17:35:37 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n12.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2006 17:34:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2006 17:34:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2006 17:34:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:34:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.211.44.209 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Audience Considerations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=my431g20n-iJn5FsvW0tJGWgLAR7e5LBzw3aZZB_IF4YZQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Let me add a little to the ownership and acquistion discussion.=20=20 While there are some stations to be had for not much money, you can=20 be pretty much assured they come poorly equipped and mostly=20 obsolete, and if you are going to be viable today, you should plan=20 on investing in a reasonable amount of new gear. You are much=20 better off with your time to use new things which work, rather than=20 wasting your time on fixing things. As to expenses; there are plenty. We pay royalties to ASCAP, BMI=20 and Sesac. There's insurance of all kinds; multi-peril, liability,=20 errors and omissions, etc. There's the spectrum fee from the FCC,=20 plus all the usual electricity, water and sewer, property taxes,=20 etc. About the only thing you can control to a helpful degree is=20 your payroll. That's why most everyone relies on computer=20 automation today, and most small market owners are their own best=20 salesperson. The measure of success to an owner is more likely to be the goal of=20 spending less money than he or she takes in, rather than pure=20 audience considerations. As to programming, in particular on AM today, you must either find=20 a need and fill it or find your niche and fill it. Here in North Myrtle Beach, there are approximately 26 FM stations=20 which claim to be in or serve the overall Grand Strand market.=20 We compete in this market by not competing. In other words, we do=20 our thing which is to serve our community while most of the FM=20 higher power stations are all trying to be regional and all things=20 to all people. While my formula works here; due in part to the=20 tremendous growth taking place, it may not work everywhere. I wanted, from the age of 9, to be in radio and own my own station.=20=20 I purchased the first one at age 31, but it is only in the past few=20 years here that I gave myself permission to have fun. For those who want to own a station, be prepared to work hard, and=20 hopefully work smart. Be involved with your community and be a good=20 listener. There are many things you can do which are easier than=20 running a radio station, but there is much enjoyment to be had if it=20 is your passion. Bill --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 > wrote: > > > > Since=20 > > you can often buy these stations for the price of the land they=20 are=20 > sitting=20 > > on, most Middle Class Americans should be able to buy one of=20 these=20 > stations.=20 > > Since most banks won't touch a Daytimer, just finance the=20 land...you=20 > may=20 > > even be able to work an advertising trade for part or all of the=20 > payments. >=20 > The problem isn't necessarily the cost of the station, but the=20 cost of=20 > the license. The FCC doesn't make it all that easy, with license=20 fees. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > From badeditpro@charter.net Fri Apr 07 17:27:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8587 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2006 00:27:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2006 00:27:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf22.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.222) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2006 00:27:41 -0000 Received: from mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.148]) by mxsf22.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k380Rdsi022638 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 20:27:40 -0400 Received: from 24-241-13-230.dhcp.rnrp.nc.charter.com (HELO yourfd6nvjcer4) ([24.241.13.230]) by mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 07 Apr 2006 20:27:39 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.04,101,1144036800"; d="scan'208"; a="167770683:sNHT16894808" Message-ID: <006e01c65aa3$3e503210$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: References: <1144252582.892.3123.m17@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 20:27:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.28.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1864 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=n0WVjZUhdHTa-gaLp7gH6S-J983S7B0PEIFwK0tPrT9adWj6dIRMVH21oMqP X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Wow! "...With the Killer air chain of a CBS AudiMax into an Orban spring reverb into a Optimod 9000 with the disco mod into a Hamilton Modified BC5H, that station ROCKED!..." Never heard the station but I know it ROCKED! Now, there is an example of making it funky but not over doing it. You know they had 'puch and sparkle'.... Thanks for the smile... :) Joe Collins From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Apr 08 01:33:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54777 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2006 08:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2006 08:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.190) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2006 08:33:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 84963 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Apr 2006 08:33:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20060408083303.84961.qmail@web25805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 01:33:03 PDT Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 01:33:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: DAT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=6Of_olceIJOhdT_bDYvVAuwrspnGQ3f-kCc1F6pw0eagyvJvXvSY X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke This is a direct drive unit. -Kevin --- orxata_d_xufa wrote: --------------------------------- --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell wrote: > > How many people have DAT and know much about it? I > have recently got a Sony DTC-700 and am trying to > figure it all out. I seem to be having a little > trouble though with the rewind. It seems like some belt has become loosen,dry(old) or even greasy from other parts from the mechanism.Check it carefully as you make it work to see those parts when rewinding. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum SPONSORED LINKS Stereo High performance Digital radio --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Apr 08 01:41:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80650 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2006 08:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2006 08:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.192) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2006 08:41:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 48293 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Apr 2006 08:41:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20060408084112.48291.qmail@web25807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 01:41:12 PDT Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 01:41:12 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <062901c65a57$f5ce2420$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.192 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} DAT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=SPQvn35cDxvo4CcoR4lUGTX_6-dcFtDyzP0vwAm0JtReMrZBxwer X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Oh man I know. Don rips people off all the time and he's always having a "big audio sale" yeah right!! He ripped a friend of mine off recently who didn't know any better. My friend wanted a simple turntable, and should have consulted me but didn't. Anyways Don sold him that simple fully automatic TEAC turntable that costs $79 from Jand R for like $140. That's why that guy gets barely any business. I am not too sure about stereovideo on laurens road anymore either. If you call them about something they do not have they send people tell you to call Don Jones. Granted Don has things no one else has but he charges way too much for it. I called out there and talked to Mark the other day just to ask about that. I asked "do you have technicians that repair decks" . He was like "oh yes" so I am like "could I please speak with a tech" he was like "they are out in the field doing a project". When he said that my bullshit detector went all the way in the red! I don't see how they stay in business. You never see any cars in the parking lot over there. They spend zero on that buildings upkeep. It looks like it's ready to fall in. I never liked how Don acted when you went in there to look at anything. It's almost like he doesn't want you to look at anything. Yeah he's one shady ass character. I don't like shady people. -Kevin --- Possum Hunter wrote: --------------------------------- Kevin Bell wrote >I have recently got a Sony DTC-700 and am trying to figure it all out. I >seem to be having a little trouble though with the rewind. If I remember correctly, that machine uses a friction wheel much like many VCRs to rewind the tape. Some times they are easy to get to, sometimes they are not! If you don't want to "practice" on your rig, Greentron in Greenville does great work on tape transports. Don't let Don Jones Stereo touch it. When I was running Custom Electronics, I fixed a LOT of stereo equipment that was butchered by Don Jones! You may want to contact The Analog Store http://www.theanalogstore.com/index.htm I don't know if Alex will work on a DAT, but he sure does wonderful work. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Apr 08 01:48:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5697 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2006 08:48:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2006 08:48:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.176.248) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2006 08:48:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 16190 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Apr 2006 08:48:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20060408084848.16188.qmail@web25815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 01:48:48 PDT Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 01:48:48 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.176.248 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Audience Considerations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=cGYqtZos810amZ0NvjnpZsmbwTYEoWqq100PlPST_8l9jP4m4zvl X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Well I never really said anything about owning one, possum just suggested it. I know theres no way I could ever afford that kind of stuff anyways so it's not even a concern. Anyway it is good to hear a well thought out post on the matter and I appreciate that. Can't wait to get back down to the beach! Like I say if all goes right I should be there in August! Take care yall. -Kevin --- Bill Norman wrote: --------------------------------- Let me add a little to the ownership and acquistion discussion. While there are some stations to be had for not much money, you can be pretty much assured they come poorly equipped and mostly obsolete, and if you are going to be viable today, you should plan on investing in a reasonable amount of new gear. You are much better off with your time to use new things which work, rather than wasting your time on fixing things. As to expenses; there are plenty. We pay royalties to ASCAP, BMI and Sesac. There's insurance of all kinds; multi-peril, liability, errors and omissions, etc. There's the spectrum fee from the FCC, plus all the usual electricity, water and sewer, property taxes, etc. About the only thing you can control to a helpful degree is your payroll. That's why most everyone relies on computer automation today, and most small market owners are their own best salesperson. The measure of success to an owner is more likely to be the goal of spending less money than he or she takes in, rather than pure audience considerations. As to programming, in particular on AM today, you must either find a need and fill it or find your niche and fill it. Here in North Myrtle Beach, there are approximately 26 FM stations which claim to be in or serve the overall Grand Strand market. We compete in this market by not competing. In other words, we do our thing which is to serve our community while most of the FM higher power stations are all trying to be regional and all things to all people. While my formula works here; due in part to the tremendous growth taking place, it may not work everywhere. I wanted, from the age of 9, to be in radio and own my own station. I purchased the first one at age 31, but it is only in the past few years here that I gave myself permission to have fun. For those who want to own a station, be prepared to work hard, and hopefully work smart. Be involved with your community and be a good listener. There are many things you can do which are easier than running a radio station, but there is much enjoyment to be had if it is your passion. Bill --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" > wrote: > > > > Since > > you can often buy these stations for the price of the land they are > sitting > > on, most Middle Class Americans should be able to buy one of these > stations. > > Since most banks won't touch a Daytimer, just finance the land...you > may > > even be able to work an advertising trade for part or all of the > payments. > > The problem isn't necessarily the cost of the station, but the cost of > the license. The FCC doesn't make it all that easy, with license fees. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jimbo@burgan.net Sat Apr 08 04:37:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15890 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2006 11:37:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2006 11:37:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm12.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2006 11:37:39 -0000 Received: from pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (pimout1-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.65]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k38BbTbJ030862 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 07:37:29 -0400 X-ORBL: [68.76.219.194] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-76-219-194.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.219.194]) by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id k38BbUDb091762 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 07:37:35 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c65b00$d724d240$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <1144252582.892.3123.m17@yahoogroups.com> <006e01c65aa3$3e503210$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 07:37:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0613-2, 03/31/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1864 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=LoVzEDOP3qqKTBklWtICtyam429BlDuI2V0lSIJdkxEsWo4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > "...With the Killer > air chain of a CBS AudiMax into an Orban spring reverb > into a Optimod 9000 > with the disco mod into a Hamilton Modified BC5H, that > station ROCKED!..." I worked at a station that had the first electronic stereo reverb (that I know of)... no spring or coil and it sounded better than any reverb I'd heard on the radio. This was in 1976! I was always a big fan of CBS Labs Volumax and Audimax. In the days before Orban or Omnia, that was about all there was (there were lots of home-made limiters). I am somewhat sentimental about that sound, but I doubt if it could compete against an Omnia 6EXi. -Jim- From jimbo@burgan.net Sat Apr 08 04:49:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12130 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2006 11:49:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2006 11:49:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm15.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.46) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2006 11:49:33 -0000 Received: from pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (pimout2-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.217]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k38BmaYA021064 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 07:48:36 -0400 X-ORBL: [68.76.219.194] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-76-219-194.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.219.194]) by pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id k38BmReR078948 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 07:48:27 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c65b02$5bfe9130$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <20060408083303.84961.qmail@web25805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 07:48:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0613-2, 03/31/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: DAT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=wkpB8lG0wrM54OZm9NaUh6QtzrP2WblWfc_0XXXbBt5VDTA X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >> How many people have DAT and know much about it? I >> have recently got a Sony DTC-700 and am trying to >> figure it all out. I seem to be having a little >> trouble though with the rewind. > > It seems like some belt has become loosen,dry(old) or > even greasy from > other parts from the mechanism.Check it carefully as > you make it work > to see those parts when rewinding. I have a DTC-700 which I purchased new in 1993 (IIRC). Never had cover off. It still works as well as the day I bought it, although I hardly ever use it any more. We also had several Harris DAT's at the radio station I worked at... if I remember the Harris DAT recorders were terrible. They always dropped audio and failed completely. I'm not sure who made them (it wasn't Harris, they just slapped their name on the front), but they were lots of trouble. -Jim- From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Apr 08 05:20:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81439 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2006 12:20:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2006 12:20:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.186) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2006 12:20:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 11623 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Apr 2006 12:20:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20060408122037.11621.qmail@web25801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 05:20:37 PDT Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 05:20:37 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001201c65b02$5bfe9130$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: DAT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=Ya4jUEt5s3c6wmU6RR42mt8pUdSvIKxWiWeIoO4JdS85rSCpWpjQ X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Jim, Thats good that it works flawlessly. I think those older units didn't rewind as fast as the newer ones. I know Sony's last model the DTC-ZE700 claimed to have wind speeds of 200X the normal speed. It will rewind normally as far as I know it to be normal after its heated up and played a tape all the way through. It's just if you turn it on, fast forward a bit then try to rewind. It rewinds a couple of seconds, slows, stops then the caution light comes on. I don't get it because the book says the caution light comes on when there is dew present. My room that I have it in doesn't have any moisture problems. It may be due to nonuse. The guy who had it said he never really used it that much at all. He said he'd be hard pressed to say that the unit had 40 hours on it total. Perhaps it needs to be given a good workout. To say the least i'm not very impressed with the speed of rewind or fast forward when they are working correctly. It sorta reminds me of my Sony VCR that slows down as it approaches the end of the tape. I don't know if the DAT decks behaviour is normal because I don't have another deck to compare it to. In fact this is the first DAT I've ever touched. As far as playing, recording, rewind, cue and review, etc those all work flawlessly. It amazes me how small those tapes are. The one thing I like is that they are sealed by a cover door. That is what should have been done with the ordinary audio cassette. -Kevin --- Jim Burgan wrote: --------------------------------- >> How many people have DAT and know much about it? I >> have recently got a Sony DTC-700 and am trying to >> figure it all out. I seem to be having a little >> trouble though with the rewind. > > It seems like some belt has become loosen,dry(old) or > even greasy from > other parts from the mechanism.Check it carefully as > you make it work > to see those parts when rewinding. I have a DTC-700 which I purchased new in 1993 (IIRC). Never had cover off. It still works as well as the day I bought it, although I hardly ever use it any more. We also had several Harris DAT's at the radio station I worked at... if I remember the Harris DAT recorders were terrible. They always dropped audio and failed completely. I'm not sure who made them (it wasn't Harris, they just slapped their name on the front), but they were lots of trouble. -Jim- Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From badeditpro@charter.net Sat Apr 08 09:09:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49553 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2006 16:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2006 16:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf13.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.213) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2006 16:08:08 -0000 Received: from mxip04a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip04a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.134]) by mxsf13.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k38G7mtV026689 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 12:07:48 -0400 Received: from 24-241-13-230.dhcp.rnrp.nc.charter.com (HELO yourfd6nvjcer4) ([24.241.13.230]) by mxip04a.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 08 Apr 2006 12:07:48 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.04,101,1144036800"; d="scan'208"; a="1499874669:sNHT23344202" Message-ID: <000601c65b26$94b76690$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: References: <1144511211.555.96207.m17@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 12:07:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.28.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: RE: Audimax Sound X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=X8NHVYjDlIm3Hf4tLUKGblhZPX_FEWMZP9x0cayaXjg3DRcpyGSkIH0yaL1w X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Jim, You can get the best of BOTH worlds by putting an Audimax in front of an Omnia or Optimod and defeating the on board AGC. They both have a provision for a 'split site' operation where you have an AGC at the studio and the limiter section at the transmitter. Therefore, you can put any wideband AGC you want in the chain and with a little tweaking, get them to complement one another sonically. I've done it both on AM and FM and the results were spectacular. :) Joe Collins From jimbo@burgan.net Sat Apr 08 12:58:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48284 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2006 19:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2006 19:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm01.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.32) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2006 19:58:27 -0000 Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.203]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k38JwOag006038 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 15:58:24 -0400 X-ORBL: [68.76.219.194] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-76-219-194.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.219.194]) by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id k38JwL8h188522 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 15:58:26 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c65b46$ccf98220$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <20060408122037.11621.qmail@web25801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 15:58:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0613-2, 03/31/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: DAT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=odisD3B4S7Rcczag-9AB_VLJaZYBL4JE130hsPxgeV-IMF0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > it needs to be given a good workout. To say the least > i'm not very impressed with the speed of rewind or > fast forward when they are working correctly. It > sorta reminds me of my Sony VCR that slows down as it > approaches the end of the tape. I don't know if the > DAT decks behaviour is normal because I don't have > another deck to compare it to. In fact this is the Mine has always been a fairly slow rewinder/fast-forward machine too. I would guess it takes a full 60-90 seconds to completely rewind a 120 minutes tape. Mine also slows down a bunch as it gets closer to the end of a tape... it slows to a near-crawl just before it stops. The mechanics are similar to a VCR. It has a revolving head, and the transport is identical. I used it all the time during the 90's DJ'ing parties etc. I have nearly every TM Century Gold disc (thru the late 90's) dumped to DAT (they were made using the optical port from a Dennon CD player) so they are perfect copies, and tons of dance music for Tm HitDiscs. Since I paid ASCAP/BMI/SESAC fees while I was a mobile DJ, I always felt I had the right to duplicate music for public performance only. I guess I cheated TM Century, but I did pay all artist royalties (given the state of the RIAA today, I probably wouldn't be paying clearance fees today)... but I digress. I beat that old Sony DTC 700 to death, throwing it around and bouncing it around in the trunk and it never failed. It still plays DAT tapes I recorded 20 years ago perfectly. I know of other people who had problems with them, but mine works like new. From jimbo@burgan.net Sat Apr 08 13:47:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43311 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2006 20:47:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2006 20:47:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm01.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.32) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2006 20:47:33 -0000 Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.203]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k38KlOag002411 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 16:47:24 -0400 X-ORBL: [68.76.219.194] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-76-219-194.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.219.194]) by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id k38KlQ1t237708 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 16:47:26 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c65b4d$a58257b0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <1144511211.555.96207.m17@yahoogroups.com> <000601c65b26$94b76690$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 16:47:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0613-2, 03/31/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: Audimax Sound X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=aHHNUGOrqQqKelnNL3I6Qp3-2RSwcgyl1uFfiHyTTl5SsqA X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > You can get the best of BOTH worlds by putting an Audimax in front of an > Omnia or Optimod and defeating the on board AGC. They both have a > provision > for a 'split site' operation where you have an AGC at the studio and the > limiter section at the transmitter. Therefore, you can put any wideband > AGC > you want in the chain and with a little tweaking, get them to complement > one > another sonically. I've done it both on AM and FM and the results were > spectacular. I'd like to hear it. I just installed an Omni exit on our Hot AC, and after screwing with it for a few days, I finally just used the Hot AC preset. My hearing is shot from 30+ years of injecting millions of decibels straight into my ears with headphones. In spite of my bad hearing... there are 7 FM's and 2 AM's in this market, and the best sounding station is WZZB, an AM Stereo station about 20 miles from where I live. The engineer who built that airchain is a friend and I told him I wanted to see it. The WZZB studios are located at the transmitter site, so they don't have to screw around with a STL, and I believe he said they use and Optimod processor, but that's all I know... except it really sounds great. If any of you have an AM Stereo in your vehicle, next time you're zipping up I-65 between Louisville and Indianapolis, you gotta hear this daytimer (70 watts at night) on 1390 KHz. They still play music, too. -Jim- From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Apr 08 16:23:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37540 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2006 23:23:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2006 23:23:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2006 23:23:14 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-199-68.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.199.68] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FSMlL-0007An-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:22:39 -0400 Message-ID: <019401c65b63$500ff1f0$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060408084848.16188.qmail@web25815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:22:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Audience Considerations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=M2L0m9p06BTcRZ0hNLprw3kbnpqvIjNNo_G_eb-K7Nr9oY_9thFMLY2bfYa31w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Bill Norman wrote: > While there are some stations to be had for not much money, you can be > pretty much assured they come poorly equipped and mostly obsolete, and if > you are going to be viable today, you should plan on investing in a > reasonable amount of new gear. Oh no doubt! In the example I gave, WCKI 1300, to make the station be a real competitor, at MINIMUM you would have to buy a complete new Production Studio, On-Air studio, and RF Plant. In order to go Stereo, you will also need to broadband the ATU and replace the air chain. The list of usable equipment there is so short, there is no need to inventory the station! If you buy WCKI, you get very real estate, a very nice building (Built in the WCKI Rebel Country heyday), a rust free 1970s vintage Utility 90 Degree tower, and the license...along with a few good but outdated collector's item type pieces of equipment. If you change the Southern Gospel format, even though it has a VERY small audience, you will have every preacher in 2 counties bad-mouthing you from the Pulpit...even with them broadcasting their Sunday Sermons on another station! I can tell some stories about my time at WCKI! LOL The owner had a COW when the prod room Gates Yard blew a tube, and there was none to be had in the junk bins. He had to BUY a tube! It is no fun working for a station with a ZERO engineering parts budget. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Apr 08 18:23:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+FdzE+17+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60233 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2006 01:23:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2006 01:23:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2006 01:23:00 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.208]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 67712741 for ; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 20:22:59 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c65b74$401834e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:23:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 30, in=24, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.208 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Audience Considerations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=S2i9EAgjPS0wxs1IX1YTnJLKMkEbxOpx4JyOW1ITdUtFiccSf56T X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Depends upon the market. Small town stuff is pretty reasonable. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > The problem isn't necessarily the cost of the station, but the cost of > the license. The FCC doesn't make it all that easy, with license fees. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Apr 08 18:41:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+FdzE+17+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99368 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2006 01:41:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2006 01:41:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2006 01:41:49 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.208]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 69919844 for ; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 20:41:48 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c65b76$e0c4cbe0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060408084848.16188.qmail@web25815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:42:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 21, in=15, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.208 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Audience Considerations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=kriUVPwNObiappkGQu4476owj_y3bXViKl0rMtFHJzaEdvkLLn7U X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The reason ownership keeps cropping up is because it's so often fruitless waiting for the other guy to support the cause. We're radio people with radio passion, not some folks who would be in it just for the money. Not that it's unimportant, rather we know there's a balancing act between good radio and profitability. I'll admit I'm not a moneymaking whiz, though if that ever changes I'll get me some stations and light up a few more stereo indicators. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" > Well I never really said anything about owning one, > possum just suggested it. I know theres no way I > could ever afford that kind of stuff anyways so it's > not even a concern. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Apr 08 18:56:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+FdzE+17+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54058 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2006 01:56:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2006 01:56:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2006 01:55:57 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.208]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 70387604 for ; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 20:55:54 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004f01c65b78$d9093420$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <1144252582.892.3123.m17@yahoogroups.com> <006e01c65aa3$3e503210$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> <000a01c65b00$d724d240$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:56:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 19, in=16, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.208 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1864 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=xIHwH8lKphodExxGncciWJNjbPomYSaDB7T9ZuD5-qn5FLyr6t-S X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Actually the first tribander, the Dorrough 310, came out in the early 70s; possibly even as early as 69. By the time the disco craze hit, you couldn't run anything else lest the incessant pounding of the kick drum keep punching holes in the audio. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Burgan" > > I worked at a station that had the first electronic stereo reverb (that I > know of)... no spring or coil and it sounded better than any reverb I'd > heard on the radio. > This was in 1976! > I was always a big fan of CBS Labs Volumax and Audimax. In the days before > Orban or Omnia, that was about all there was (there were lots of home-made > limiters). From jimbo@burgan.net Sat Apr 08 20:32:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79873 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2006 03:32:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2006 03:32:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm01.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.32) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2006 03:32:13 -0000 Received: from pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (pimout3-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.218]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k393WAag013727 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 23:32:10 -0400 X-ORBL: [68.76.219.194] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-76-219-194.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.219.194]) by pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id k393W7Kb095228 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 23:32:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c65b86$3020f790$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <1144511211.555.96207.m17@yahoogroups.com> <000601c65b26$94b76690$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> <000a01c65b4d$a58257b0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 23:32:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0613-2, 03/31/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: Audimax Sound X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=OrAlI8fAbjJPgFnSctQCiJps-3nMYH_jXxqqEMCS86dPWgw X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 My spell checker did it, not me. Line #2 below should have read: I just installed an Omni 6-EXi on our Hot AC, and after screwing with it for > I'd like to hear it. > I just installed an Omni exit on our Hot AC, and after screwing with it > for > a few days, I finally just used the Hot AC preset. Sheesh... From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Apr 08 21:50:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26181 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2006 04:50:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2006 04:50:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.161) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2006 04:50:04 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2006 04:50:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2006 04:50:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2006 04:50:03 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 04:50:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000801c65b46$ccf98220$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.43.231 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: DAT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=xlvfCnYNSKfPMluHja8w6w6QtDfWEgpd_5GIAm_KPMe6nr4a X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Reminds me that I still need to get a DAT tape a friend of mine sent me=20 8 years ago (his own recording, his own music) transferred direct-to- digital to CD-R- I haven't been able to hear it since he sent it to=20 me... :P I have no DAT deck, much less the ability to make a digital=20 transfer to disc... :P Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Apr 08 21:56:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1624 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2006 04:56:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2006 04:56:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.157) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2006 04:56:26 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2006 04:56:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2006 04:56:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2006 04:56:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 04:56:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001701c65b74$401834e0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.43.231 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Audience Considerations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=2BhMj5PrkwrWqxyZ32JtcjN9SO81lifPVHB8mGWM7OEizoNk X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > Depends upon the market. Small town stuff is pretty reasonable. Depends on what you call "reasonable"- A recent auction for an FM=20 frequency here went for $362k, but only after a previous action went=20 higher, and the winning bidder bailed out.... Amy. <:3 (~~8~ (Far northwestern California isn't exactly a "prime market"- We're not=20 close to any metro areas- It's very much a rural community here.) From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Apr 08 22:37:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11074 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2006 05:37:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2006 05:37:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.193) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2006 05:37:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 18024 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2006 05:37:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20060409053717.18022.qmail@web25808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:37:17 PDT Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:37:17 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: DAT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=sT6vmtdm5FgpNsZEwEpc6iX1LOblzLG39fwOwOWqdkE252Vr8y7x X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Amy, Theres a few reasonably priced ones on ebay. It's hit and miss. Some are probably worn out. If it says "removed from a working environment" it's probably been run to death. Usually the one owner " mint" ones are the ones you want. -Kevin --- Amy Mousie wrote: --------------------------------- Reminds me that I still need to get a DAT tape a friend of mine sent me 8 years ago (his own recording, his own music) transferred direct-to- digital to CD-R- I haven't been able to hear it since he sent it to me... :P I have no DAT deck, much less the ability to make a digital transfer to disc... :P Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Apr 08 22:38:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81732 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2006 05:38:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2006 05:38:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.190) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2006 05:38:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 51102 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2006 05:38:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20060409053836.51100.qmail@web25805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:38:36 PDT Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:38:36 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Audience Considerations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=ElqJsJ7PKcvWRF2d16kOGENYIv-lVMxO6VQqpsEwEb4Qj67qstrY X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke What we have to remember here is that $362 K to someone like say Scott may seem like chump change whereas thats a lot of money to us. Hehe! -Kevin --- Amy Mousie wrote: --------------------------------- --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > Depends upon the market. Small town stuff is pretty reasonable. Depends on what you call "reasonable"- A recent auction for an FM frequency here went for $362k, but only after a previous action went higher, and the winning bidder bailed out.... Amy. <:3 (~~8~ (Far northwestern California isn't exactly a "prime market"- We're not close to any metro areas- It's very much a rural community here.) Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum SPONSORED LINKS Stereo High performance Digital radio --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Apr 09 07:48:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39752 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2006 14:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2006 14:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2006 14:48:11 -0000 Received: from ibm67aec.bellsouth.net ([70.146.2.85]) by imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060409144759.XIAN28889.imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm67aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:47:59 -0400 Received: from JUAN ([70.146.2.85]) by ibm67aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20060409144758.VDBK5374.ibm67aec.bellsouth.net@JUAN> for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:47:58 -0400 Message-ID: <01db01c65be4$9832e060$0301a8c0@JUAN> To: References: <00cb01c65868$ae607d40$8400000a@your75ojnaappr> <00d201c659d6$5b629aa0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:47:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0615-0, 04/08/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 205.152.59.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} We Appear to have started a debate. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=yEVhhnePPvkiylY3JFPvXeQm4N24j4PsPBGNcEVSada9Aek X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wish I had known you were leaving. I might have made a special trip to Mason City to meet you. Scott I left Friday the 31st and visited a friend in Charleston, WV, then spent a few days with my Mom in the Forest (near Ocala) and made it back home Friday night. I was dissapointed that I had to leave Mason City but it was for the best. My wife was really not into moving there, and because my house couldn't sell, we decided it was best for me to return. Juan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Apr 09 15:51:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+FdzE+17+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92440 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2006 22:51:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2006 22:51:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2006 22:51:52 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.103]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 70085307 for ; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:51:49 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c65c28$4c331060$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 17:52:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 4, First 11, in=8, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.103 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Audience Considerations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=zv4T82fvFUqMby94Ng-BV_6r-8kpUdn9rU5aY0q4YOsA3cgmmW_2 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Now you're talking FM auctions- that's a whole 'nuther ballgame. For AM you're pretty much stuck buying an existing station. There are yearly license fees, and ones for small town AMs are pretty cheap. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > Depends on what you call "reasonable"- A recent auction for an FM > frequency here went for $362k, but only after a previous action went > higher, and the winning bidder bailed out.... From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 09 18:19:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86850 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2006 01:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2006 01:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.204) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2006 01:19:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 2608 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2006 01:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jim1db32qamp61) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@71.143.13.100 with login) by smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2006 01:19:46 -0000 Message-ID: <000801c65c3c$de10e480$d50bfea9@jim1db32qamp61> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 18:19:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: KCBC 770 HD AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=MH3_cmo-jOD0FU8DXS_jqFtZBRPsV6XRELooyAnEdqfZqVTNNb40WBXD8mzDmJ5xf0c0B6E0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Well it finaly happend KCBC 770 AM HD is on and i can tell with my Sony SRF A300. The center of the station makes a strange noise. Same with KCBS ALL NOISE 740. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 11 15:19:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31373 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2006 22:19:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2006 22:19:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.155) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2006 22:19:54 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n12.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2006 22:19:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2006 22:19:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2006 22:19:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:19:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000801c65c3c$de10e480$d50bfea9@jim1db32qamp61> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.142.209.11 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: KCBC 770 HD AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=uxrShPbPxBmreImXeY6WeJ7gShJFQV-4m5LUGvaqzNaK941G1sVolUga8Oc3_PmCFNNKiPKm X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang Well it finaly happend KCBC 770 AM HD is on and i can tell=20 with my Sony SRF A300. The center of the station makes a strange=20 noise. Same with KCBS ALL NOISE 740. Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > WOW GUYS!!!!! I did not mean to make the forum come to a screaching=20 halt!!! JS From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Apr 11 18:22:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9202 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 01:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2006 01:22:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.89) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2006 01:22:30 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:22:30 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.46 by BAY106-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 01:22:27 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 01:22:26 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2006 01:22:30.0541 (UTC) FILETIME=[91629BD0:01C65DCF] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.89 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCBC 770 HD AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=1Ogi1bvsaPePp-4SymXBeMqdFqmZj5g3jg2kmircHH5jA_1NXx4DMNk9M18 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, but the screeching (as in screeching halt) still sounds better than IBOC hash! :) -----Original Message----- From: jim smith Sent: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:19:44 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: KCBC 770 HD AM --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang Well it finaly happend KCBC 770 AM HD is on and i can tell with my Sony SRF A300. The center of the station makes a strange noise. Same with KCBS ALL NOISE 740. Jim Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > WOW GUYS!!!!! I did not mean to make the forum come to a screaching halt!!! JS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 11 19:38:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12000 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 02:38:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2006 02:38:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2006 02:38:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2006 02:38:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2006 02:38:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 02:38:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.142.209.11 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: KCBC 770 HD AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=xJBO0xYGQvwlhjtQ_fHBHXP1m0nPP9ErQSteWTcfy8BIZ0oqH3AGul9sBCF2Z_LlsmafiM2k X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman"=20 wrote: > > Yes, but the screeching (as in screeching halt) still sounds better=20 than IBOC hash! :) >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: jim smith > Sent: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:19:44 -0700 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Re: KCBC 770 HD AM >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > Hi Gang Well it finaly happend KCBC 770 AM HD is on and i can=20 tell=20 > with my Sony SRF A300. The center of the station makes a strange=20 > noise. Same with KCBS ALL NOISE 740. Jim Smith > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > WOW GUYS!!!!! I did not mean to make the forum come to a screaching=20 > halt!!! JS >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Donn I hear that Donn!!!! JS From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Apr 12 13:08:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+VoxI+20+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38995 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 20:07:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2006 20:07:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2006 20:07:59 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.75]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 68456233 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:07:53 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <008d01c65e6c$e98193a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:08:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 21, in=15, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.75 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: tape shipment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=LIIicCrGfbUqgOVskgdfBaGRse8mUTnOlOU7GBoBAN2mbwXsMGv9 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Michael, I went to the FedEx online shipping calculator and that box of tapes will cost $11.66, assuming a business address delivery. Please send a check or money order to me at 3811 Hwy 95 NW, Cambridge MN 55008 Thanks, Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" To: Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 7:52 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? > And, the shipping charges to zip 30125 would be what? And, do you take > paypal or checks or what? > > MTGC (Michael) > > > >From: "Scott Todd" > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? > >Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:25:51 -0600 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 > >X-Sender: SRS0+jW1e+7+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com > >Received: from n14b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com ([66.163.187.181]) by > >bay0-mc1-f19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, > >30 Mar 2006 07:46:53 -0800 > >Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 > >Mar 2006 15:25:39 -0000 > >Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar > >2006 15:25:39 -0000 > >Received: from [66.218.66.30] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar > >2006 15:25:39 -0000 > >Received: (qmail 90891 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 15:25:37 -0000 > >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; > >30 Mar 2006 15:25:37 -0000 > >Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by > >mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 15:25:37 -0000 > >Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.78]) by cpinternet.com > >(SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 67702819 for > >; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:25:30 -0600 CST > >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHiEuEkzqckM0i9JwSZLwXikUM+izPnMms= > >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email > >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >References: <20060329050256.22334.qmail@web25809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > ><02a501c6533b$9a5f4ab0$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 > >X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 5, in=12, out=0, spam=0 > >X-External-IP: 64.61.211.78 > >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 > >X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude > >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact > >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com > >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >List-Id: > >Precedence: bulk > >List-Unsubscribe: > >Return-Path: > >sentto-4085512-22915-1143732339-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2006 15:46:53.0961 (UTC) > >FILETIME=[2B05B790:01C65411] > > > >I've got boxes of Quantegy tape on new 10" reels. Will send anyone > >interested a carton of 10 for the price of shipping. > > > >Scott Todd > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Possum Hunter" > > > > > >I still believe in Tape!! > > > > > > Me too! I wouldn't get rid of my 2-track Revox PR-99 for love or money. > >I > > > like the sound of Quantegy 456 Tape. It ain't cheap, but it sounds > >SWEET. > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Apr 12 14:06:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+VoxI+20+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91726 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 21:06:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2006 21:06:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2006 21:06:00 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.75]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 70625735 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:04:12 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c65e74$c785f4a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <008d01c65e6c$e98193a0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:05:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 7, in=4, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.75 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} tape shipment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=Jty_ibisu52ocHddDGJVzbpKEB-o2J9FyWogSimoNvaLyr5lAZ0P X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude oops- should have been private email... Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:08 PM Subject: {AMSF} tape shipment > Michael, > > I went to the FedEx online shipping calculator and that box of tapes will > cost $11.66, assuming a business address delivery. Please send a check or > money order to me at 3811 Hwy 95 NW, Cambridge MN 55008 > > Thanks, > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 7:52 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? > > > > And, the shipping charges to zip 30125 would be what? And, do you take > > paypal or checks or what? > > > > MTGC (Michael) > > > > > > >From: "Scott Todd" > > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > >To: > > >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Catalina Island CQuam to IBOC? > > >Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:25:51 -0600 > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > >X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 > > >X-Sender: SRS0+jW1e+7+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com > > >Received: from n14b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com ([66.163.187.181]) by > > >bay0-mc1-f19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, > > >30 Mar 2006 07:46:53 -0800 > > >Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; > 30 > > >Mar 2006 15:25:39 -0000 > > >Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 > Mar > > >2006 15:25:39 -0000 > > >Received: from [66.218.66.30] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 > Mar > > >2006 15:25:39 -0000 > > >Received: (qmail 90891 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 15:25:37 -0000 > > >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with > QMQP; > > >30 Mar 2006 15:25:37 -0000 > > >Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by > > >mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 15:25:37 -0000 > > >Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.78]) by cpinternet.com > > >(SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 67702819 for > > >; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:25:30 -0600 CST > > >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHiEuEkzqckM0i9JwSZLwXikUM+izPnMms= > > >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email > > >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > >References: <20060329050256.22334.qmail@web25809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > > ><02a501c6533b$9a5f4ab0$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> > > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 > > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 > > >X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 5, in=12, out=0, spam=0 > > >X-External-IP: 64.61.211.78 > > >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 > > >X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude > > >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact > > >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com > > >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > >List-Id: > > >Precedence: bulk > > >List-Unsubscribe: > > >Return-Path: > > >sentto-4085512-22915-1143732339-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com > > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2006 15:46:53.0961 (UTC) > > >FILETIME=[2B05B790:01C65411] > > > > > >I've got boxes of Quantegy tape on new 10" reels. Will send anyone > > >interested a carton of 10 for the price of shipping. > > > > > >Scott Todd > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Possum Hunter" > > > > > > > >I still believe in Tape!! > > > > > > > > Me too! I wouldn't get rid of my 2-track Revox PR-99 for love or > money. > > >I > > > > like the sound of Quantegy 456 Tape. It ain't cheap, but it sounds > > >SWEET. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Apr 12 15:38:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77044 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 22:38:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2006 22:38:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2006 22:38:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2006 22:37:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2006 22:37:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:37:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 81.7.10.159 From: "Dave" Subject: OT: Acoustic Energy Wi-Fi radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=JVEW8iIJ3TV-AYgNUt_K3ktzJ6jJ7qvrFZAnRBUNcoIu-O_WXA X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan For those who have brought one of these excellent wi-fi radios or want=20 to know more I have setup a group for the radio. Please join at http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/wifiradio/ From matthew.trim@eds.com Wed Apr 12 17:02:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42787 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 00:02:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 00:02:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 00:02:02 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3D021r1026195 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:02:01 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3D01iV0027262 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:01:44 +1000 Received: from aubwm051.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.159.13]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3D01iF5027257 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:01:44 +1000 Received: from aubwm010.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.166.96]) by aubwm051.apac.corp.eds.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:02:03 +1000 Received: from aubwm208.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.176.248]) by aubwm010.apac.corp.eds.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:02:03 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:02:02 +1000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} OT: Acoustic Energy Wi-Fi radio Thread-Index: AcZegmEdrEgXqY8HRDm2lU2zMr/wWQACut8A To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2006 00:02:03.0360 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E92FE00:01C65E8D] X-Originating-IP: 207.169.189.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: RE: {AMSF} OT: Acoustic Energy Wi-Fi radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102; y=2IVT_DIG3SjsUzg-cCHfYoloTOhcBpRic99SKQcaHEa6vSvn_A X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Do they do AAC+? I haven't been able to find any Wi-Fi radios that do it yet and it makes perfect sense if you're running over a somewhat unreliable wireless connection and only have low bandwidth available. -----Original Message----- From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Thursday, 13 April 2006 8:37 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} OT: Acoustic Energy Wi-Fi radio For those who have brought one of these excellent wi-fi radios or want to know more I have setup a group for the radio. Please join at http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/wifiradio/ From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Apr 12 17:38:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99372 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 00:37:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 00:37:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.81) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 00:37:56 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:37:56 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.42 by BAY106-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:37:53 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:37:53 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2006 00:37:56.0256 (UTC) FILETIME=[81CCDA00:01C65E92] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: RadioShack chairman Roberts to step down - U.S. Business - MSNBC.com(interim CEO also lied on his resume) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=r_BRLQ-nr6hfy5qkP5XrX_aa-1rCRU6Emu1obQvlHmm5feisDH9gbR8Hnzg X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I guess Radio Shack just can't get it's act together. _______________________________ MSNBC.com=20 RadioShack chairman Roberts to step down=20 Resignation comes in wake of CEO's dismissal over resume controversy The Associated Press Updated: 5:33 p.m. ET April 12, 2006 DALLAS - Leonard Roberts said Wednesday he is resigning as executive chairm= an at RadioShack, which still has not replaced the chief executive officer = who left two months ago because of questions about claims on his resume. Roberts said his final day will be the May 18 shareholders meeting, when th= e board could name an interim or permanent replacement. He admitted the timing of his decision could have been better considering f= ormer Chief Executive David Edmondson's resignation Feb. 20 in the wake of = controversy over his resume. Roberts, 57, said he had wanted to stay until the company found a new CEO, = now an interim post held by Chief Operating Officer Claire H. Babrowski But= the search by the Fort Worth company could last beyond the shareholders me= eting. "I have a problem asking shareholders to vote for someone who has no intent= ion of serving a full term," Roberts said. "If I thought the search would t= ake more than a year, that would be another situation." Some analysts said the news wasn't a major surprise. "It does seem odd that the chairman elects to resign when there is turmoil = in the executive suite," said analyst Bill Baldwin. Roberts served as RadioShack's CEO for six years before handing the job ove= r to Edmondson in May. He will still serve as a consultant after his retire= ment, focusing on industry, civic and philanthropic activities, the company= said. He will also retain his shareholder status. Roberts joined the Tandy Co. as president of the RadioShack division in 199= 3. Six years later he was named president, chairman and CEO of RadioShack C= orp. He is the third board member to step down this year. He joins Edmondso= n and Robert "Kam" Kamerschen, who said last month that he would not seek r= e-election. The company said in a regulatory filing that it will probably not fill the = void left by Kamerschen and have 11 board members rather than 12. Roberts' announcement did not hurt the company's stock price, which has bee= n in a steady decline since the summer. Last week, however, it hit a 52-week low =E2=80=94 $18.29 a share =E2=80=94= after analyst Prudential Equity Group LLC analyst Mark J. Rowen downgraded= the stock. Rowen wrote in a research note that he was concerned about the = transition to selling Cingular wireless service. RadioShack previously offe= red Verizon service. Baldwin said the company needs to develop a "real merchandise strategy." "They need to find their way again into the merchandising world," he said "= They need to become relevant to a broader group of customers." Roberts says he believes the company will rebound as it did in 1993. "Here was a company everybody gave up on back then," he said. "We had a sev= en-year run of impressive sales and earnings growth." Stepping down, Roberts said, will also allow the new CEO to have a "real an= d perceived free hand in the business." Until someone takes over permanently, Babrowski is entrusted with a turnaro= und that includes shutting down 400 to 700 stores, plus two distribution ce= nters. Analysts have been enthusiastic about Babrowski, who arrived last su= mmer, since before Edmondson's resume troubles. In February a newspaper report identified false information on the former c= hief executive's resume, and about one week later Edmonson stepped down He = began receiving four quarterly payments of $243,750 =E2=80=94 totaling $975= ,000 =E2=80=94 in February. He also is to receive $57,692 for accrued, unpa= id vacation, plus an undisclosed amount for accrued and unpaid salary. The company is scheduled to release its first-quarter earnings April 21. =C2=A9 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may no= t be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. =C2=A9 2006 MSNBC.com URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12289089/ ____________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bob_welch550@yahoo.com Wed Apr 12 20:09:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bob_welch550@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67459 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 03:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 03:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 03:09:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2006 03:09:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2006 03:09:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:09:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.163.51.133 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Audience Considerations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213592090; y=lkGt_odDLU2hHajj6J5FpQ8ursllcRF_VxmE8OgZiY3srUiBU_PZ X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > I'm not much younger than you (28). My favorite radio station was=20 WBZ Radio 1030 "The Spirit of New England" growing up. Yes, they=20 always had a reputation for news programming, now they are Newsradio=20 1030. They had the kind of a sound that gave you goosebumps. I listened in the mid to late 80s, and well, I still listen to WBZ.=20=20 The same people who did the top of the hour news then are anchoring=20 the all news all day sound they have now. 'BZ is as much a part of=20 New England as baked beans on Saturday nights and apple pie at=20 Thanksgiving and Christmas. I'd go anywhere and recreate the Full Service sound "The Spirit of=20 New England" had back 20 years ago. That's personality, good music,=20 excelent local/ regional news, and jingles... oh.. you can't forget=20 that jingle package... that brought it all together. I'm without a microphone these days... so I really mean it.. I'd go=20 anywhere and build a Full Service format... it's my favorite. Why,=20 it's so flexible... You can do nearly anything with it. I'm sorry I=20 use elipsis marks so much... it comes from writing copy for the past=20 8 years. :-) Bob Welch.. last at WDEV RadioVermont, Inc Waterbury. > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 > wrote: > > > > Amy, > >=20 > > True but don't you still pay royalties for > > broadcasting oldies too? I wasn't trying to suggest > > that oldies should go away. Not at all. I am 32 and > > they are my favourite type of music. I just think > > that AM Stereo needs those other stations to get > > younger listeners and therefoe a larger listener base. >=20 > I grew up on oldies, so I know what you mean. :) >=20 > The thing is, alot of oldies recorded prior to 1968 or thereabouts=20 > have expired copyrights (except for songwriting copyrights),=20 because=20 > these recordings had copyright terms made prior to 1978, which=20 > allowed them less than 20 years per term, and one renewal. Those=20 > renewed after 1978 are subject to the terms after that time. This=20 > means alot of rock & roll's first two decades is now in the public=20 > domain. (The Beatles' cataslogue isn't expected to go PD until=20 > sometime in the next decade.) >=20 > > People come to a dial for programming. We can't > > forget other segments of society that like other types > > of music. Maybe an 80s-90s station might attract > > people my age.=20 >=20 > We have one of those. :) >=20 > > What gets me about the new music > > stations these days is how they quickly disregard > > songs even from just a year or two ago. I remember > > here in the 80s you could listen to a "new music" > > station and also still hear hits from the last 10 > > years. So say if it were 1989 you might hear the B > > 52's loveshack but on the same station you might also > > hear Don Henleys "Dirty Laundry" which was from 1982.=20 > > That is a difference of 7 years. Nowadays you are > > hard pressed to find a station play a current hit then > > go to one that is 7 years old.=20 >=20 > Top 40, as we have known it, doesn't exist in America. But=20 stations=20 > like you describe are still commonplace outside the US, and yes,=20 is a=20 > key attraction to me to hear AC/Top-40/"The Best of Yesterday and=20 > Today" on full-service stations from the UK, the Channel Islands,=20 > Isle of man, Ireland, the Canaries, South Africa... >=20 > American radio has lost its way, BIGTIME. >=20 > > It seems these > > stations play the same 50 songs over and over.=20 >=20 > Actually, it's 300, but same diff. :) >=20 > > It's > > these conglomerates which I think has done more damage > > to radio in general than anything. These large > > companies buying up all the stations. It took away a > > lot of the community and local programming.=20 >=20 > The guy behind Clear Channel wanted to "McDonald-ise" American=20 > radio... Well..... >=20 > > I've > > noticed too that all the DJ's sound about the same, > > pretty dry and boring. I was listening to XM's 60's > > on 6 and every friday they remember one of the great > > AM Stations of the 60s. This week it will be WAKY > > from Louisville KY. I listened to the promo and they > > had a tape running of the DJ talking back then and he > > was almost screaming in the mic "wacky radioooooooo! > > WAKY....." and some more yells in there as it faded > > into Stevie Wonder's "Uptight Everythings Alright".=20 > > Man that sounded like real radio where the DJ gets so > > riled up and excited about a song. Reminds me of > > "Good Morning Vietnam". I think we need more > > personality like that. If only they would think out > > of the conglomerate box.=20 >=20 > Problem is, most stations are empty storefronts. There's=20 no "there"=20 > there. >=20 > As for DJs, I can only think of ONE DJ who is nationally=20 distributed-=20 > if you happen to have a Jones Network-affiliated "Good Times,=20 Great=20 > Oldies" station- and that's Dave Saunders, of "Dave's Diner" fame.=20 > He's actually very good. But yes, DJs have gotten too bland in=20 recent=20 > years. >=20 > > I love to listen to all > > those old tapes of 60s stations.=20 >=20 > Go to http://www.reelradio.com - You won't regret it. :) >=20 > > I'd like to see an > > AM Stereo station come to town and really give the FM > > Top 40 stations a run for their money with new music > > mixed with music from the last 7 years or so and some > > real personality! I think that would sell. We need > > AM stations to compete with the FM stations like that. >=20 > The real successful station will be the one doing "live and local". >=20 > > That's how its all done, good healthy competition and > > offering a product that consumers want. In this case > > Listeners but we should think of them as consumers.=20=20 >=20 > Very much so. Happy listeners mean happy ad sales. :) >=20 > > If I were a rich man this is what I think I would do.=20 > > I'd open up a station and compete. At least it would > > be fun and maybe just maybe we'd get some serious > > listenership. Oh well we can dream can't we?=20=20 >=20 > Venture capital. :) >=20 > It can be fun- and don't TRY to compewte- Make trhe Other Guy=20 sweat=20 > it. :) Just have fun, and do your service to the community. Do all=20 > that, you'll have listeners, and when you have the listeners, you=20 can=20 > rake in the advertising dollars. Once you do that, you'll realise=20 > you're making money just by having fun. :) >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > From tomray@wor710.com Thu Apr 13 08:59:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64573 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 15:59:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 15:59:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.185) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 15:59:35 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2006 15:59:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2006 15:59:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2006 15:59:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:59:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: RadioShack chairman Roberts to step down - U.S. Business - MSNBC.com(interim X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=PU9LSeBaTUTEU6NXxi9Yyv5RBe57HDvfIUYMcnW_Y5hbb7Mz X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman" wrote: > > I guess Radio Shack just can't get it's act together. It's too bad. They've been going downhill for a while, and I find less and less reason to go in there. As an example...yesterday I needed a couple of RF adaptors...would have preferred to get female BNC to male TNC, but that is kind of exotic for them...so I could have easily settled for female BNC to male N, as the male N connector can push onto the TNC female in a pinch. No gots. And this isn't something out of the ordinary in communications or Ham gear. I can go to Best Buy or Circuit City to buy a TV, DVD player, cell phone or computer.....and they'll be cheaper. You used to be able to get parts at RS and actually build something (or fix something!). Not any more. Tom Ray WOR From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Apr 13 09:59:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53843 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 16:59:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 16:59:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.83) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 16:59:54 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:59:53 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.47 by BAY106-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:59:51 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:59:51 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2006 16:59:53.0365 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF223C50:01C65F1B] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RadioShack chairman Roberts to step down - U.S. Business - MSNBC.com(interim X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=KHnOnzBSroDophVvEwQuPiexXCVPz6HM5qlrvadg_1xZ6LOcM2478-Z5qAE X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Tom, You're right about their inventory really shrinking on parts and adaptors etc and that's only half the story. Try to find a clerk that even knows what you're talking about, there are a few that do know something about electronic, but it seems must are there to ring up sales of i-Pods and Cell phones and they have little knowledge of anything else. Not having a computer (I'm on MSNTV2-DSL), I bought a free standing c.d. recorder two years ago there, where I was hoping I could make c.d. directly from the radio or tapes, LP's' etc. Couldn't get it to work properly even though I seem to be doing everything correctly according to the instruction book, so I took it back. No one person there, including the Radio Shack manager had a clue as to what I might be doing wrong (if anything) or if the unit was defective. So, I just got a refund and I'm still unable to produce c.d.'s. Also in this months advertisement, If I recall, there are NO radios period; now there are cell phones with f.m., but try to find a regular radio in the latest ad; I really don't know why, since they're undergoing re-organization, they just don't rename themselves, i-Pod Shack! Donn latitude 27.761 -----Original Message----- From: Tom Ray Sent: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:59:15 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: RadioShack chairman Roberts to step down - U.S. Business - MSNBC.com(interim --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman" wrote: > > I guess Radio Shack just can't get it's act together. It's too bad. They've been going downhill for a while, and I find less and less reason to go in there. As an example...yesterday I needed a couple of RF adaptors...would have preferred to get female BNC to male TNC, but that is kind of exotic for them...so I could have easily settled for female BNC to male N, as the male N connector can push onto the TNC female in a pinch. No gots. And this isn't something out of the ordinary in communications or Ham gear. I can go to Best Buy or Circuit City to buy a TV, DVD player, cell phone or computer.....and they'll be cheaper. You used to be able to get parts at RS and actually build something (or fix something!). Not any more. Tom Ray WOR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Thu Apr 13 12:13:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23452 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 19:13:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 19:13:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.178) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 19:13:47 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n11.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2006 19:13:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2006 19:13:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2006 19:13:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:13:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: RadioShack chairman Roberts to step down - U.S. Business - MSNBC.com(interim X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=CBWM6DImqqaL8Wlcue2cG8VHg0jVOrEiYnKIL1b8nmJ3ffQM X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray New slogan: "You have questions we can't answer!". Tom Ray WOR From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Apr 13 16:51:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42054 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 23:51:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 23:51:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 23:51:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:50:51 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.47 by BAY106-DAV20.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:50:46 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:50:46 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2006 23:50:51.0918 (UTC) FILETIME=[18C6D2E0:01C65F55] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RadioShack chairman Roberts to step down - U.S. Business - MSNBC.com(interim X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=LvUzUa1k4FX-mvWN8KizU9lPGWo_DlfKyKW3i2vucVAiZ8pfHda8nZkZkS0 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit or an alternate slogan could be: Ask us a question and we will give you a shrug and a blank look! :) Donn _____________________________ Tom Ray wrote: >New slogan "You have questions >we can't answer!" -----Original Message----- From: Tom Ray Sent: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:13:45 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: RadioShack chairman Roberts to step down - U.S. Business - MSNBC.com(interim New slogan: "You have questions we can't answer!". Tom Ray WOR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Apr 13 21:24:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35338 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 04:24:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2006 04:24:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao05.cox.net) (68.230.241.34) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 04:24:48 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060414042448.XLEX24255.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:24:48 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:24:47 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RadioShack chairman Roberts to step down - U.S. Business - MSNBC.com(interim X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=pBzAPjvqrCPQqyJaNzoVWqKDjKAyBtSQA3zoB3ryl2VK7P1Wf-zt09FVTyhP X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You have questions, we have cell phones. On Apr 13, 2006, at 11:50 PM, Donn Tillman wrote: > or an alternate slogan could be: > > Ask us a question and we will give you a shrug and a blank look! :) > > Donn > _____________________________ > Tom Ray wrote: > > >New slogan "You have questions > >we can't answer!" > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Ray > Sent: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:13:45 -0700 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Re: RadioShack chairman Roberts to step down - U.S. > Business - MSNBC.com(interim > > New slogan: "You have questions we can't answer!". > > Tom Ray > WOR > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kjones_731@yahoo.com Thu Apr 13 21:48:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kjones_731@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18204 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 04:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2006 04:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web81910.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.189) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 04:48:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 68211 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Apr 2006 04:48:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20060414044854.68209.qmail@web81910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.223.135.219] by web81910.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:48:54 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:48:54 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kirk Jones Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RadioShack chairman Roberts to step down - U.S. Business - MSNBC.com(interim X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=58737040; y=5MHwjYqaiSVSqlHdk-wRG2VBamO6p9RO5z2WkNX_vsn7sTYyTw X-Yahoo-Profile: kjones_731 Went to RS today to buy some small parts. Asked about the possibility of a New Catalog, no such luck. They didn,t have an updated "parts catalog" so I still have a 3 year old one with no prices. Do ya think there might be a connection? They said use the internet. How many things do we buy online that they send you their NEW catalog with your purchase! If I don't know you have it,I can't buy it! --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > You have questions, we have cell phones. > > On Apr 13, 2006, at 11:50 PM, Donn Tillman wrote: > > > or an alternate slogan could be: > > > > Ask us a question and we will give you a shrug and > a blank look! :) > > > > Donn > > _____________________________ > > Tom Ray wrote: > > > > >New slogan "You have questions > > >we can't answer!" > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Ray > > Sent: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:13:45 -0700 > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: RadioShack chairman Roberts to > step down - U.S. > > Business - MSNBC.com(interim > > > > New slogan: "You have questions we can't answer!". > > > > Tom Ray > > WOR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > From starship_2001@msn.com Fri Apr 14 03:29:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 287 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 10:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2006 10:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.89) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 10:29:07 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:28:57 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.6 by BAY106-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:28:52 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:28:52 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2006 10:28:57.0506 (UTC) FILETIME=[3CC3F020:01C65FAE] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.89 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RadioShack chairman Roberts to step down - U.S. Business - MSNBC.com(interim X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=XoPyPcU7hA5Rehlbgo8HUNkD_cfiNeoSOIJadgkKJrGc5U-xjVbw95wLQA X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Use the internet ????? Can't even find anything on the website of theres. They recently redigned it and its HORRIBLE. Try searching fo anything things that have nohing to do with what your looking for come up and what your looking for does not. Their worse move was when they dumped the annual catalog that cam out every year. -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Jones Sent: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:48:54 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RadioShack chairman Roberts to step down - U.S. Business - MSNBC.com(interim Went to RS today to buy some small parts. Asked about the possibility of a New Catalog, no such luck. They didn,t have an updated "parts catalog" so I still have a 3 year old one with no prices. Do ya think there might be a connection? They said use the internet. How many things do we buy online that they send you their NEW catalog with your purchase! If I don't know you have it,I can't buy it! --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > You have questions, we have cell phones. > > On Apr 13, 2006, at 11:50 PM, Donn Tillman wrote: > > > or an alternate slogan could be: > > > > Ask us a question and we will give you a shrug and > a blank look! :) > > > > Donn > > _____________________________ > > Tom Ray wrote: > > > > >New slogan "You have questions > > >we can't answer!" > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Ray > > Sent: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:13:45 -0700 > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: RadioShack chairman Roberts to > step down - U.S. > > Business - MSNBC.com(interim > > > > New slogan: "You have questions we can't answer!". > > > > Tom Ray > > WOR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Apr 14 04:15:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69635 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 11:15:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2006 11:15:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.83) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 11:15:24 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 04:15:01 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.43 by BAY106-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:14:56 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:14:56 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2006 11:15:01.0928 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC7D4280:01C65FB4] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RadioShack chairman Roberts to step down - U.S. Business - MSNBC.com(interim X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=jcsKfVOkjk2VP3zMGgtnsBDGdE1mR3DFO-r9jzFvH6VVJ_2e8bkBiNjWkAM X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Year, but the Radio Shack CEO's have great resumes!! (even though they - the resumes - are fictitious). I guess it proves that there are liars, outside the White House , Congress and Enron; the lack of integrity , honesty and ethics is an epidemic spreading faster than the bird flu. (and not many people seem to care) Donn 27.761 latitude north -----Original Message----- From: Norbert 26 Sent: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:28:52 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RadioShack chairman Roberts to step down - U.S. Business - MSNBC.com(interim Use the internet ????? Can't even find anything on the website of theres. They recently redigned it and its HORRIBLE. Try searching fo anything things that have nohing to do with what your looking for come up and what your looking for does not. Their worse move was when they dumped the annual catalog that cam out every year. -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Jones Sent: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:48:54 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RadioShack chairman Roberts to step down - U.S. Business - MSNBC.com(interim Went to RS today to buy some small parts. Asked about the possibility of a New Catalog, no such luck. They didn,t have an updated "parts catalog" so I still have a 3 year old one with no prices. Do ya think there might be a connection? They said use the internet. How many things do we buy online that they send you their NEW catalog with your purchase! If I don't know you have it,I can't buy it! --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > You have questions, we have cell phones. > > On Apr 13, 2006, at 11:50 PM, Donn Tillman wrote: > > > or an alternate slogan could be: > > > > Ask us a question and we will give you a shrug and > a blank look! :) > > > > Donn > > _____________________________ > > Tom Ray wrote: > > > > >New slogan "You have questions > > >we can't answer!" > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Ray > > Sent: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:13:45 -0700 > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: RadioShack chairman Roberts to > step down - U.S. > > Business - MSNBC.com(interim > > > > New slogan: "You have questions we can't answer!". > > > > Tom Ray > > WOR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Apr 14 04:30:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90832 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 11:30:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2006 11:30:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.93) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 11:30:14 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 04:30:12 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.43 by BAY106-DAV21.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:30:10 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:30:10 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2006 11:30:12.0377 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB28C090:01C65FB6] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.93 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RadioShack chairman Roberts to step down - U.S. Business - MSNBC.com(interim X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=R0humozrMcSXz3VUEJFqiPELSyJosWHVM5vee6d8lvRvym36LivhK4vh7jc X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, but the Radio Shack CEO's have great resumes!! (even though they - the resumes - are fictitious). I guess it proves that there are liars, outside the White House , Congress and Enron; the lack of integrity , honesty and ethics is an epidemic spreading faster than the bird flu. (and not many people seem to care) Donn 27.761 latitude north ---------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Norbert 26 Sent: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:28:52 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RadioShack chairman Roberts to step down - U.S. Business - MSNBC.com(interim Use the internet ????? Can't even find anything on the website of theres. They recently redigned it and its HORRIBLE. Try searching fo anything things that have nohing to do with what your looking for come up and what your looking for does not. Their worse move was when they dumped the annual catalog that cam out every year. -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Jones Sent: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:48:54 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RadioShack chairman Roberts to step down - U.S. Business - MSNBC.com(interim Went to RS today to buy some small parts. Asked about the possibility of a New Catalog, no such luck. They didn,t have an updated "parts catalog" so I still have a 3 year old one with no prices. Do ya think there might be a connection? They said use the internet. How many things do we buy online that they send you their NEW catalog with your purchase! If I don't know you have it,I can't buy it! --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > You have questions, we have cell phones. > > On Apr 13, 2006, at 11:50 PM, Donn Tillman wrote: > > > or an alternate slogan could be: > > > > Ask us a question and we will give you a shrug and > a blank look! :) > > > > Donn > > _____________________________ > > Tom Ray wrote: > > > > >New slogan "You have questions > > >we can't answer!" > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Ray > > Sent: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:13:45 -0700 > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: RadioShack chairman Roberts to > step down - U.S. > > Business - MSNBC.com(interim > > > > New slogan: "You have questions we can't answer!". > > > > Tom Ray > > WOR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From starship_2001@msn.com Fri Apr 14 04:45:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56865 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 11:45:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2006 11:45:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.75) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 11:45:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 04:45:00 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.6 by BAY106-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:44:12 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:44:12 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2006 11:45:00.0830 (UTC) FILETIME=[DCB7EBE0:01C65FB8] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.75 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RadioShack chairman Roberts to step down - U.S. Business - MSNBC.com(interim X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=lyxjxqqZxgOj9SlRF14YIodf08C0WuGQgi7nw3napIHCc3J6hbobRIGXKg X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit it doesn't really matter.........go to the local shack here. Every few hours the shift changes. They strictly hire part timers on a 4 hour rotation basis. They nothing about what you looking for so i always tell them i am just looking and find it myself. -----Original Message----- From: Donn Tillman Sent: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 04:30:10 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RadioShack chairman Roberts to step down - U.S. Business - MSNBC.com(interim Yeah, but the Radio Shack CEO's have great resumes!! (even though they - the resumes - are fictitious). I guess it proves that there are liars, outside the White House , Congress and Enron; the lack of integrity , honesty and ethics is an epidemic spreading faster than the bird flu. (and not many people seem to care) Donn 27.761 latitude north ---------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Norbert 26 Sent: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:28:52 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RadioShack chairman Roberts to step down - U.S. Business - MSNBC.com(interim Use the internet ????? Can't even find anything on the website of theres. They recently redigned it and its HORRIBLE. Try searching fo anything things that have nohing to do with what your looking for come up and what your looking for does not. Their worse move was when they dumped the annual catalog that cam out every year. -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Jones Sent: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:48:54 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RadioShack chairman Roberts to step down - U.S. Business - MSNBC.com(interim Went to RS today to buy some small parts. Asked about the possibility of a New Catalog, no such luck. They didn,t have an updated "parts catalog" so I still have a 3 year old one with no prices. Do ya think there might be a connection? They said use the internet. How many things do we buy online that they send you their NEW catalog with your purchase! If I don't know you have it,I can't buy it! --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > You have questions, we have cell phones. > > On Apr 13, 2006, at 11:50 PM, Donn Tillman wrote: > > > or an alternate slogan could be: > > > > Ask us a question and we will give you a shrug and > a blank look! :) > > > > Donn > > _____________________________ > > Tom Ray wrote: > > > > >New slogan "You have questions > > >we can't answer!" > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Ray > > Sent: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:13:45 -0700 > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: RadioShack chairman Roberts to > step down - U.S. > > Business - MSNBC.com(interim > > > > New slogan: "You have questions we can't answer!". > > > > Tom Ray > > WOR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Apr 14 06:13:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84748 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 13:10:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2006 13:10:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 13:10:52 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-199-68.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.199.68] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FUO4V-0004Fq-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:10:47 -0400 Message-ID: <04dc01c65fc4$d5584b40$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:10:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RadioShack chairman Roberts to step down - U.S. Business - MSNBC.com(interim X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=QGh77gTTbaMRbLNeEd0NeGvZVIs7JlE12vncOi6ZMWKeoYMCXHweEqxmaEetlg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Norbert 26 wrote: >They recently redigned it and its HORRIBLE. Try searching fo anything >things that have nohing to do with what your looking for come up and what >your looking for does not. There is also no way to get to their product manuals online from the website. The manuals are still up, of you know the link, but there is no link from www.radioshack.com Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jimbo@burgan.net Fri Apr 14 06:44:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15283 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 13:44:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2006 13:44:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm01.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.32) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 13:44:12 -0000 Received: from pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (pimout1-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.65]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3EDhMag023372 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:43:22 -0400 X-ORBL: [66.72.39.57] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-66-72-39-57.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [66.72.39.57]) by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3EDhONm062952 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:43:24 -0400 Message-ID: <003c01c65fc9$66e867d0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:43:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0615-3, 04/14/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RadioShack-Days Numbered??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=ZDHnsAzEwRa7gCehYx8aNGlG7_DGi7-MLZE4FzaqqApZc1U X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >> I guess Radio Shack just can't get it's act together. > > It's too bad. They've been going downhill for a while, and I find > less and less reason to go in there. > > As an example...yesterday I needed a couple of RF adaptors...would > have preferred to get female BNC to male TNC, but that is kind of > exotic for them...so I could have easily settled for female BNC to > male N, as the male N connector can push onto the TNC female in a > pinch. No gots. And this isn't something out of the ordinary in > communications or Ham gear. > > I can go to Best Buy or Circuit City to buy a TV, DVD player, cell > phone or computer.....and they'll be cheaper. You used to be able to > get parts at RS and actually build something (or fix something!). Not > any more. > Tom Ray > WOR Same thing here... Our Radio Shack is nothing more than an authorized agent for Cingular, and they carry a few cables and fittings, plus lots of batteries and recording tape (cassette/VHS etc). Radio Shack no longer has a niche. Everything they sell is available elsewhere for less money. I'm afraid to say their days are numbered. Does anyone remember when Tandy experimented by opening up a half-dozen stores called "Incredible Universe"? They built on here and it was a real man's store! My wife would drop me off at 10 AM, then she would head to the mall, and she'd pick me up at 5 or 6. The only place in my life I ever went "SHOPPING" (looking in a store just to see what's there, with no intention of buying anything) They lost nearly a billion dollars but the concept was great! From kjones_731@yahoo.com Fri Apr 14 09:20:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kjones_731@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8131 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 16:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2006 16:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web81909.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.188) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 16:20:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 41623 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Apr 2006 16:19:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20060414161952.41621.qmail@web81909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.223.135.219] by web81909.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:19:52 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:19:52 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003c01c65fc9$66e867d0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kirk Jones Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RadioShack-Days Numbered??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=58737040; y=J7wCLTmSmtRM9YieVrOy_z9MtGGBCTKaP3ovZeloUHnI1zZm1w X-Yahoo-Profile: kjones_731 When were the glory days of Incredible Universe? I remember the one in Ohio, they had a shutle to get you from the parking lot to the store. They also had incredible claims of low prices, like $200.00 savings on a major purchase over Best Buy etc. The also said they would draw shoppers for a 75-100 miles radius. Well we can say one thing--- It was Incredible!!! > Does anyone remember when Tandy experimented by > opening up a half-dozen > stores called "Incredible Universe"? > They built on here and it was a real man's store! > My wife would drop me > off at 10 AM, then she would head to the mall, and > she'd pick me up at 5 or > 6. > The only place in my life I ever went "SHOPPING" > (looking in a store just > to see what's there, with no intention of buying > anything) > They lost nearly a billion dollars but the concept > was great! > > From tomray@wor710.com Fri Apr 14 11:45:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27158 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 18:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2006 18:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 18:45:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2006 18:45:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2006 18:45:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:45:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.76 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Speaking of Radio Shack..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=ep3t_PNDLb7k-vWJS5BspEQC1FB_UwPgbQYEZXJLnX64geKD X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray From today's Radio World Newsbytes.... RadioShack to Offer HD Radios http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=3D8816 Maybe there will be a reason to go in there afterall....and do exactly=20 what I did with AM Stereo radios....ask for one, and when they tell me=20 they don't exist, show them the radio on the shelf and explain how it=20 works...then watch their jaws drop. Tom Ray WOR From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Apr 14 12:41:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17582 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 19:41:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2006 19:41:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao02.cox.net) (68.230.241.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 19:41:50 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060414194149.EKZK14494.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:41:49 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <93131B24-AB35-4356-8C03-AC00F4876454@cox.net> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:41:48 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Speaking of Radio Shack..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=H6fDyS_kkl4PNLITFbTyoeXrICjATa2KGp1ogfaBN8aHzBa1_MtAIG9KdtFo X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That must be the most frustrating thing for an AM broadcaster ... when good radios are around (whether they be HD or the GE Superradio, or the various AM stereo models in the past), the salespeople don't know them, and thus they don't sell. Richard On Apr 14, 2006, at 11:45 AM, Tom Ray wrote: > From today's Radio World Newsbytes.... > > RadioShack to Offer HD Radios > > http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=8816 > > Maybe there will be a reason to go in there afterall....and do exactly > what I did with AM Stereo radios....ask for one, and when they tell me > they don't exist, show them the radio on the shelf and explain how it > works...then watch their jaws drop. > > Tom Ray > WOR > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Stereo High performance Digital radio > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Apr 14 14:43:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32541 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 21:43:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2006 21:43:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 21:43:02 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-199-68.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.199.68] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FUW1W-0003Ll-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:40:14 -0400 Message-ID: <00ea01c6600c$00ac3e40$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:40:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Speaking of Radio Shack..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=ruL735M6z-7Q69XozhctGY-1ckHtcnpRXflwpzNaV7nUuf0TLueJR8-OG_GfBA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Ray wrote: >ask for one, and when they tell me they don't exist, show them the radio on the shelf and explain how it works...then watch their jaws drop. I can see how this would go! Tom walks into a company owned Radio Shack store: Salesdroid: Come on in da stoe an' let me sell ya sumtin'. Tom: Howdy y'all, I wanna gitt me one em dar HD Radios so I can listen to digital music. Salesdroid: Radio? Tom: This is RADIO SHACK ain't it? Salesdroid: Yea, but iffin yew wanna hear digital music you need dis iPod. Tom: Naw man, I wanna listen to LIVE radio so I kin hear my tunes and listen to the Yankees have their asses whooped an' handed to 'em by the Braves in digital Stereo. Salesdroid: OOOOHHHHHH You want dis Celly Tellyphone here, it plays mp3s like dat iPod AND you can listen live over da net. Tom: Naw I wanna listen to the radio and get traffic reports in digital stereo Salesdroid: No problem cheif, I gots dis Sirius Satty-Lite, you can get Stern, sports, music and traffic on it. Tom: Oh da hell with it (walks out) Tom walks into a Mom & Pop Rat Shack franchise store: Bubba: Welcome to Bubba's Swamp Sound 'N' Radio Shack, what kinn I dew fer ya? Tom: Howdy, I want me one of dem new Bostan Acoustics HD Radios. Bubba: Yew don't want dat piece of shit, have a seat ratt darr and have a listen to this Fanfare FTA-100 that came in on yesterday's truck! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From badeditpro@charter.net Fri Apr 14 15:24:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75098 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 22:24:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2006 22:24:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf25.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.225) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 22:24:23 -0000 Received: from mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.145]) by mxsf25.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3EMO6WD006112 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:24:07 -0400 Received: from 24-241-13-230.dhcp.rnrp.nc.charter.com (HELO yourfd6nvjcer4) ([24.241.13.230]) by mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 18:24:06 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c66012$254cdd30$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: References: <1145050987.2107.32800.m30@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:24:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.28.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: Re: Speaking of Radio Shack..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=ee_NNPBSsVG5yetjG7wxDC4PXfRx6gdjxIMG7pWnLpHDDNzbQtMnUHXu4jea X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Kevin! ROFLMAO-STC!!! ...(R)olling (O)n (F)loor (L)aughing (M)y (A)ss (O)ff - (S)cared (T)he (C)at!!! :) JC From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Apr 14 15:48:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45090 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 22:48:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2006 22:48:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.195) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 22:47:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 27534 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Apr 2006 22:47:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20060414224741.27532.qmail@web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:47:41 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:47:41 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RadioShack chairman Roberts to step down - U.S. Business - MSNBC.com(interim X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=Gcdhpg16RQADtVvd6XYL7Fwbr4VdqdkpbSOp1ai7Ea3wM68chdgT X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I once tried to get a job at Radio Shack. I'm a very knowledgeable person, not an expert but i'm pretty good just like most of the people on here. Excuse my french but Radio Shack had rather hire dumbasses that know nothing about audio, video, or electronics than they had someone who had a knowledge of anything more than an iPOD or Cell phone. Radio Shack is just a shame anymore and the things they do have are grossly overpriced. One can find much better electronics at Circuit City than here and at better prices. I think Radio Shack's days are over. -Kevin --- Donn Tillman wrote: --------------------------------- Hi Tom, You're right about their inventory really shrinking on parts and adaptors etc and that's only half the story. Try to find a clerk that even knows what you're talking about, there are a few that do know something about electronic, but it seems must are there to ring up sales of i-Pods and Cell phones and they have little knowledge of anything else. Not having a computer (I'm on MSNTV2-DSL), I bought a free standing c.d. recorder two years ago there, where I was hoping I could make c.d. directly from the radio or tapes, LP's' etc. Couldn't get it to work properly even though I seem to be doing everything correctly according to the instruction book, so I took it back. No one person there, including the Radio Shack manager had a clue as to what I might be doing wrong (if anything) or if the unit was defective. So, I just got a refund and I'm still unable to produce c.d.'s. Also in this months advertisement, If I recall, there are NO radios period; now there are cell phones with f.m., but try to find a regular radio in the latest ad; I really don't know why, since they're undergoing re-organization, they just don't rename themselves, i-Pod Shack! Donn latitude 27.761 -----Original Message----- From: Tom Ray Sent: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:59:15 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: RadioShack chairman Roberts to step down - U.S. Business - MSNBC.com(interim --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman" wrote: > > I guess Radio Shack just can't get it's act together. It's too bad. They've been going downhill for a while, and I find less and less reason to go in there. As an example...yesterday I needed a couple of RF adaptors...would have preferred to get female BNC to male TNC, but that is kind of exotic for them...so I could have easily settled for female BNC to male N, as the male N connector can push onto the TNC female in a pinch. No gots. And this isn't something out of the ordinary in communications or Ham gear. I can go to Best Buy or Circuit City to buy a TV, DVD player, cell phone or computer.....and they'll be cheaper. You used to be able to get parts at RS and actually build something (or fix something!). Not any more. Tom Ray WOR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From w6yn@juno.com Fri Apr 14 20:30:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69322 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2006 03:29:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2006 03:29:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.20.164) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2006 03:29:58 -0000 Received: from webmail05.nyc.untd.com (webmail05.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.145]) by smtpout02.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABCEA4FRAGM3FZS for (sender ); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 20:29:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail05.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LMYGK5D9; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 20:29:15 PDT Received: from [66.81.202.47] by webmail05.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 03:28:55 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 03:28:55 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060414.202915.27535.727396@webmail05.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:2:1722297760 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLAeNUzebvUhk8R5BZr35Qec= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.145|webmail05.nyc.untd.com|webmail05.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.20.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Ibiquity Digital named Best of America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=d64l4nI-Q2ZL-BgK26TjkaiNNI_U5616t4VqZn1lUw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Reader's Digest Names IBOC 'Best of America' Some 80 million readers may be exposed to HD Radio technology. Ibiquity Digital says its HD Radio technology has been named to the annual = "Best of America" list by the editors of Reader's Digest magazine. Each yea= r the magazine speaks with experts and "ordinary folk" to create its Americ= a's 100 Best list. In this year's version, HD Radio appears in the entertainment category unde= r the title "Best Sound on Demand," with the entry citing the technology's = "super-clear sound." HD Radio is featured in the May issue, which is available on newsstands Apr= il 18 and online now. From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Fri Apr 14 20:33:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73277 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2006 03:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2006 03:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2006 03:33:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2006 03:33:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2006 03:33:20 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 03:33:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060414224741.27532.qmail@web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.182.6 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Bill Norman's Article X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=wDPaZYPBKGL3qo43onU6w_UB0cGsFl9dZq83bhqlqKWQvns8Nv_Axg X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 It may be a voice in the wilderness, but Bill's RW article was a great read= nontheless. There is absolutely no reason why an AM station should not be using C-Quam = if it isn't=20 already running IBOC. Recently, I've been looking into buying an AM station in my area and I had = a chance to talk=20 to the station's engineer about the facility. He said that the station has= a C-Quam=20 generator in its rack and has had it for years. I asked him why it wasn't = on and he simply=20 replied that it was a corporate decision. It made me realize that there mu= st be hundreds=20 of AM stations throughout the country like this one that have dormant C-Qua= m equipment=20 (if not every AM station). Why they are not on is a mystery. The engineer suggested I would have to gear the station up for IBOC. But w= hy, I asked=20 him, would I want to do that since hardly anyone has an HD radio, especiall= y not in their=20 car? Why would I want to subject my analog-listening audience to telephone= -quality audio=20 when I don't have to? Yes, at some point, the transition to digital will i= nevitably come. But if I were a broadcaster, I would feel an obligation to provide my audie= nce with the best=20 audio I can at the moment, and at this moment that would be analog. It will be interesting to see who among AM broadcasters responds to Bill's = challenge. db From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Apr 14 22:48:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48302 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2006 05:48:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2006 05:48:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2006 05:48:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2006 05:48:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2006 05:46:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 05:46:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060414.202915.27535.727396@webmail05.nyc.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.60.227 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Ibiquity Digital named Best of America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=UwREMMWXe2LTi_A5R2zmQFtjLLwMVNTls2QPlrn5cXWX7gbD X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury" =20 wrote: > > Reader's Digest Names IBOC 'Best of America' [snip] May I hurl now? Please? With a cherry on top? Amy. <:3 )~~9~ From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Fri Apr 14 23:01:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69027 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2006 06:01:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2006 06:01:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2006 06:01:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2006 06:01:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2006 06:01:11 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 06:01:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.182.6 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: Ibiquity Digital named Best of America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=zOVtkifjR6XdU751WiNdn8SwTUsVsieFaoK1vXpkbWRe5WwfEWao5A X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury" =20 > wrote: > > > > Reader's Digest Names IBOC 'Best of America' >=20 > [snip] >=20 > May I hurl now? Please? With a cherry on top? >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~9~ > I just had to laugh at Radio World crowing about the mention HD Radio got a= s a "best of"=20 in the latest issue of Reader's Digest.=20 If anyone has looked at that issue of the 'Digest' you'll notice that the m= ention of HD Radio=20 is buried amid a whole bunch of odd-ball 'best ofs'(like colored soap bubbl= es that won't=20 stain your clothes or an AC outlet that swivels) so if you blink you miss i= t or if you read it=20 you'll dismiss it. But what Radio World fails to mention is that the HD Radio item is forced t= o share column=20 space with Roku as a 'best of'. Roku, of course, is the technology that le= ts users hear,=20 among other things, internet radio through one's home stereo.=20 For Radio World, who is sounding more and more like the NAB, to mention thi= s on their=20 website is beyond grasping at straws, it's sucking up dust.=20 db From wa2fnq@optonline.net Sat Apr 15 10:04:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17380 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2006 17:04:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2006 17:04:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2006 17:04:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2006 17:04:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2006 17:04:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 17:04:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: Ibiquity Digital named Best of America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=KU1GMHlKoFPqRyfMQfcsz-skBmA246WNJlyCJMz4iqgq X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq I just purchased a Roku Soundbridge M 1000. So far it's been working=20 very well. Internet radio without turning on your computer. Lot's of=20 commercial free content of a wide variety and many at a decent bit=20 rate. In an IPod minded world this could be serious competition for=20 radio. Roku isn't the sole manufacturer on internet radios either.=20 Acoutic Energy also makes one but I liked the Roku product better. Jerry WA2FNQ >=20 > But what Radio World fails to mention is that the HD Radio item is=20 forced to share column=20 > space with Roku as a 'best of'. Roku, of course, is the technology=20 that lets users hear,=20 > among other things, internet radio through one's home stereo.=20 >=20 From tomray@wor710.com Sat Apr 15 11:47:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38812 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2006 18:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2006 18:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.176) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2006 18:37:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n9.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2006 18:37:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2006 18:37:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2006 18:37:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 18:37:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Bill Norman's Article X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=2rmM5y3yH6bb9sGm5-zQywTc9y9gCsoyXKRsL6pbSyxoF8Px X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" =20 wrote: > > It may be a voice in the wilderness, but Bill's RW article was a=20 great read nontheless. >=20 > There is absolutely no reason why an AM station should not be using=20 C-Quam if it isn't=20 > already running IBOC. >=20 I agree. Everything Bill said made a great deal of sense. If it's in=20 the rack and is still in usable condition, why not put it on the air?=20=20 Bill also made good points about the myth of losing coverage going C- Quam....something I've heard but never experienced. When I was at=20 WTIC, we were banging away loud and proud and never lost coverage or=20 loudness because of the C-Quam signal. As to why a station would take it off the air if the equipment were=20 working correctly and the station was meeting the NRSC mask, well,=20 that will probably always be a mystery...... Tom Ray WOR From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Apr 15 14:39:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72180 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2006 21:39:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2006 21:39:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.194) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2006 21:39:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 78686 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Apr 2006 21:39:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20060415213922.78684.qmail@web25809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:39:21 PDT Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:39:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060414044854.68209.qmail@web81910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RadioShack chairman Roberts to step down - U.S. Business - MSNBC.com(interim X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=XF0IXMTjHKpJXAZphRXVlzRiwSrEyV9jHE49eTZZgy1RI8hly--q X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Kirk, Radio Shack has not been printing catalogs for years now. They stopped back around 2000 or 2001. I know because I always got one and I have them dating back to the early 80s. The last year they said "this is the last one and from now on it will be online" . They do ocassionally put out a circular but thats it. I miss the catalogs too but more importantly I miss the radio shack of days gone by. -Kevin --- Kirk Jones wrote: --------------------------------- Went to RS today to buy some small parts. Asked about the possibility of a New Catalog, no such luck. They didn,t have an updated "parts catalog" so I still have a 3 year old one with no prices. Do ya think there might be a connection? They said use the internet. How many things do we buy online that they send you their NEW catalog with your purchase! If I don't know you have it,I can't buy it! --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > You have questions, we have cell phones. > > On Apr 13, 2006, at 11:50 PM, Donn Tillman wrote: > > > or an alternate slogan could be: > > > > Ask us a question and we will give you a shrug and > a blank look! :) > > > > Donn > > _____________________________ > > Tom Ray wrote: > > > > >New slogan "You have questions > > >we can't answer!" > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Ray > > Sent: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:13:45 -0700 > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: RadioShack chairman Roberts to > step down - U.S. > > Business - MSNBC.com(interim > > > > New slogan: "You have questions we can't answer!". > > > > Tom Ray > > WOR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > YAHOO! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Apr 15 14:54:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98542 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2006 21:54:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2006 21:54:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.193) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2006 21:54:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 37232 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Apr 2006 21:54:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20060415215401.37226.qmail@web25808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:54:01 PDT Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:54:01 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Speaking of Radio Shack..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=5kA6aOCAdERe_Ijt1JYPS_zHSHNS5W_5KisuSyXimwxtRETqkRJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Tom, You are so right brother! Man I can't count the times i've been in radio shack and purposely asked a question that I knew the answer to just to walk over to a shelf and show them up! Ha!! Funny! -Kevin --- Tom Ray wrote: --------------------------------- From today's Radio World Newsbytes.... RadioShack to Offer HD Radios http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=8816 Maybe there will be a reason to go in there afterall....and do exactly what I did with AM Stereo radios....ask for one, and when they tell me they don't exist, show them the radio on the shelf and explain how it works...then watch their jaws drop. Tom Ray WOR Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum SPONSORED LINKS Stereo High performance Digital radio --------------------------------- YAHOO! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Apr 15 15:01:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19966 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2006 22:01:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2006 22:01:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.189) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2006 22:01:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 49710 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Apr 2006 22:01:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20060415220102.49700.qmail@web25804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:01:02 PDT Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:01:02 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060414.202915.27535.727396@webmail05.nyc.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ibiquity Digital named Best of America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=mctDyvkhk3A8dbo42kQibLdCF39gGoAQ-zqbsJCGydKDdzpHK-o1 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I thought it was the ONLY one. How can you be anything but the best when you're the only digital option? -Kevin --- W6YN Don Milbury wrote: --------------------------------- Reader's Digest Names IBOC 'Best of America' Some 80 million readers may be exposed to HD Radio technology. Ibiquity Digital says its HD Radio technology has been named to the annual "Best of America" list by the editors of Reader's Digest magazine. Each year the magazine speaks with experts and "ordinary folk" to create its America's 100 Best list. In this year's version, HD Radio appears in the entertainment category under the title "Best Sound on Demand," with the entry citing the technology's "super-clear sound." HD Radio is featured in the May issue, which is available on newsstands April 18 and online now. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Apr 15 15:10:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67127 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2006 22:10:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2006 22:10:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (66.193.185.19) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2006 22:10:36 -0000 Received: from Chris (unverified [66.6.181.226]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.3.459.0) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 18:07:04 -0400 X-Modus-BlackList: ccuff@in4web.com=OK Message-ID: <001001c660d8$f1af0760$e2b50642@Chris> To: References: <20060415220102.49700.qmail@web25804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 18:07:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 66.193.185.19 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ibiquity Digital named Best of America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613; y=ko2DwrEkjZqnrR-aCK1roOq1ij-GJ9n8HpsSEf0TFn2LkVLMc7BOfSm3 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I just got this month's RD and saw that "best of" thing. To me, it looks more like a paid commercial endorsement that smacks of politics- not surprising, considering RD has always leaned a bit too far right for my tastes. I balance this out by subscribing to Rolling Stone- IMHO one of the best magazines on the shelf. Chris From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Apr 15 15:11:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83345 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2006 22:05:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2006 22:05:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.195) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2006 22:05:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 46301 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Apr 2006 22:04:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20060415220454.46299.qmail@web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:04:54 PDT Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:04:54 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Ibiquity Digital named Best of America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=Pw-qXJBRKIOtLG0M5VAvjyjpH7E5VUy3sNJh3h6IoSdpeo4dPU2K X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke What does Readers Digest know about radio anyways? I mean really. -Kevin --- dbdigital2004 wrote: --------------------------------- --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury" > wrote: > > > > Reader's Digest Names IBOC 'Best of America' > > [snip] > > May I hurl now? Please? With a cherry on top? > > Amy. <:3 )~~9~ > I just had to laugh at Radio World crowing about the mention HD Radio got as a "best of" in the latest issue of Reader's Digest. If anyone has looked at that issue of the 'Digest' you'll notice that the mention of HD Radio is buried amid a whole bunch of odd-ball 'best ofs'(like colored soap bubbles that won't stain your clothes or an AC outlet that swivels) so if you blink you miss it or if you read it you'll dismiss it. But what Radio World fails to mention is that the HD Radio item is forced to share column space with Roku as a 'best of'. Roku, of course, is the technology that lets users hear, among other things, internet radio through one's home stereo. For Radio World, who is sounding more and more like the NAB, to mention this on their website is beyond grasping at straws, it's sucking up dust. db Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum SPONSORED LINKS Stereo High performance Digital radio --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun Apr 16 10:10:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82637 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2006 17:10:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2006 17:10:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.26) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2006 17:10:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2006 17:10:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2006 17:09:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 17:09:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.184.96.32 From: "Mike" Subject: Re: Ibiquity Digital named Best of America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087; y=twr2HhO_K44m6Q5gs-f0yzAssD6esvftE6VRkJj03K7dJjr8 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > I just purchased a Roku Soundbridge M 1000. So far it's been working=20 > very well. Internet radio without turning on your computer. Lot's of=20 > commercial free content of a wide variety and many at a decent bit=20 > rate. In an IPod minded world this could be serious competition for=20 > radio. Roku isn't the sole manufacturer on internet radios either.=20 > Acoutic Energy also makes one but I liked the Roku product better. >=20 > Jerry WA2FNQ Tell them how good the Boston Acoustics radio is in comparison,=20 especially that squelch-y AM with zippo sensitivity. I have seen the=20 Roku, it is quite impressive (and well made, if that is possible from=20 a CE product nowadays). By the way, it was fun to watch the Receptor try and crack C-QUam.=20=20 Poor baby thought it was recovering HD. And WEBE 108 wins the prize for having and HD channel that sounds=20 virtually identical to the analog. At least with WEZN, we could hear=20 the difference. BTW: even with an outdoor FM antenna, none of the=20 city stations, while clear into the area, could be heard in HD. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Apr 17 06:02:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13372 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2006 13:02:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2006 13:02:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.160) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2006 13:02:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 56437 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Apr 2006 13:02:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20060417130231.56435.qmail@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 06:02:31 PDT Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 06:02:31 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" Cc: AMstereo 2004 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: A Radio at Radio Shack?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=wiSZEHrPLbDOWL9UsDgjkXcWTUHcQQSI14oZdhcsMc6hZ8L-t3J4LZM X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Here's a truly novel idea - sell RADIOS at freakin' RADIO SHACK! "Would you like a cellphone to go along with your HD radio, as the AM audio is the same quality?" Courtesy of Radio World(c): "RadioShack to Offer HD Radios RadioShack will start carrying HD Radios, possibly as soon as May. As RW Online has reported, the retailer is closing some locations and moving out old, slower-moving merchandise with new, faster-moving merchandise within higher growth categories in what it’s calling a “turnaround plan” to boost profits. HD Radios will be some of those new product offerings “in select markets,” a spokesman confirmed to Radio World. RadioShack plans to carry the Boston Acoustics Recepter HD and is evaluating options beyond that. In February, RadioShack said it intends to close 400–700 stores out of nearly 7,000 total retail locations." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Apr 17 06:06:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42682 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2006 13:06:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2006 13:06:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2006 13:06:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 4454 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Apr 2006 13:05:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20060417130555.4452.qmail@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 06:05:55 PDT Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 06:05:55 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" Cc: AMstereo 2004 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: New C-QUAM Audio Processor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=hUTEL_B3zuUyXttNI46f0bq0xzjvVx2_YwBWsjxz8_0TmfRs3ighhQA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Great news (also from the pages of Radio World) about the latest AM audio processor with a specific note about C-QUAM ! "First Optimod-AM 9400s Ship Orban said it has shipped its first Optimod-AM 9400 audio processors.... Each processing chain has its own equalizer, five-band compressor/limiter and peak limiter, optimized for its intended transmission channel,... limiter “to make the most of low-bitrate codecs like the HDC codec used in the Ibiquity HD AM system.” Both processing chains are stereo, making the 9400 appropriate for C-QUAM AM stereo installations. The unit retails for $7,990." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wa2fnq@optonline.net Mon Apr 17 10:21:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6058 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2006 17:21:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2006 17:21:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2006 17:21:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2006 17:21:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2006 17:21:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 17:21:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: Ibiquity Digital named Best of America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=dxw8-fHDOQ_Y4sXKUuoE0IAgzL4Yf5sV9fd7ladPJrv_ X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq HA!!!! Yes!!! Save some money and buy the Roku. Seriously, WEBE's HD channel does sound identical to their analog=20 channel. WEZN had a little better high end in HD.... but not that=20 much. It's not worth the difference. And if you tweaked an FM=20 station right you could make it sound as good. But the point is I=20 thought with digital you were suppose to have much better sounding=20 audio?? Alright, come on all you engineers and P.Ds out there. Why=20 are you guys processing the living heck out of something that=20 allegedy should have great dynamic range and sound?? Because you=20 want to sound louder than the guy down the street?? Who cares with=20 digital?? Time to face reality. It's all those over processed FM=20 stations that have made analog FM sound as bad as it does today. And=20 it didn't take you guys as long as I thought to screw up the=20 digital. Nice going. So as far as HD radio goes I don't want it. So all that said, the killer app. for HD FM will is multicasting.=20 Hey, something to steal more bits from the main channel and make it=20 sound worse. Ohh, well it will give you more variety. Hmmm. Hey,=20 quite frankly broadcasters seem to have enough trouble programming=20 one channel let alone more channels. There isn't one station in the=20 NYC area worth listening to. You've all lost the idea of how a=20 station is suppose to sound and feel. Go back to programming 101.=20 Variety?? How about satellite radio?? Sorry, I don't pay for radio.=20 And if you think the audio quality of satellite radio is good please=20 go see a doctor and have your hearing checked.=20 AM HD?? I don't get me started. Unfortunately all the talk radio=20 B.S. has killed the need for AM Stereo and quality on AM. Most of=20 you radio manufacturers have blood on your hands too. Which brings=20 me back to the point. Boston Acoustics does need to go back to the=20 drawing board. This radio does not help HD radio at all. And first=20 impressions are lasting ones. It is no way worth the hundreds of=20 dollars they want for it. And why do they have a squelch on AM??=20 That's about the stupidest thing I have ever seen. Oh I get it!!=20 Your not suppose to be listening to those weak analog AM stations=20 that you'd never be able to hear in digital. Or better still, it's=20 there to mask the hash that has created on the band by all the IBOC=20 trash that's covering those weak analog signals. Anyway, I will try=20 the Boston Acoustics radio on AM this week. I don't expect to be=20 impressed. I am 35 miles from NYC and if this radio has trouble=20 performing on AM HD or FM HD in this area then it is no good. As far=20 as the average person goes, this thing has to work right out of the=20 box with no special tweaks. Sorry for the rant. I'm just someone who is associated with the=20 industry who is sick of seeing it killed by those that think they=20 know best. Some of us are very passonate about raio and=20 broadcasting. Seeing something I've cared about, stations I have put=20 my blood and sweat into that are now mis managed and dying really=20 hurts.=20 But time marches on. Roku does have a good product and internet=20 radio could be serious competion for radio as we've known it.=20 Especially with these wireless devices, widespead WiFi and WiMAX.=20 There's a lot of free, commercial free stations on the internet to=20 listen to. Once AAC becomes more widespread it will be even better.=20 I'll be there proividing a quality service for those who want it. If=20 WCBS-FM wants to know where some of their listeners went, I have=20 them. Sorry David.... you were wrong. Jerry WA2FNQ >=20 > Tell them how good the Boston Acoustics radio is in comparison,=20 > especially that squelch-y AM with zippo sensitivity. I have seen=20 the=20 > Roku, it is quite impressive (and well made, if that is possible=20 from=20 > a CE product nowadays). >=20 > By the way, it was fun to watch the Receptor try and crack C- QUam.=20=20 > Poor baby thought it was recovering HD. >=20 > And WEBE 108 wins the prize for having and HD channel that sounds=20 > virtually identical to the analog. At least with WEZN, we could=20 hear=20 > the difference. BTW: even with an outdoor FM antenna, none of the=20 > city stations, while clear into the area, could be heard in HD. > From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon Apr 17 11:59:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68507 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2006 18:59:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2006 18:59:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2006 18:59:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2006 18:58:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2006 18:58:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:58:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.184.96.32 From: "Mike" Subject: Re: Speaking of Radio Shack..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087; y=YM1atuf4yZ7wRhod5YoKn3JgL7GA1QWkZY1dgoNINf1UI_FD X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > Maybe there will be a reason to go in there afterall....and do=20 exactly=20 > what I did with AM Stereo radios....ask for one, and when they tell=20 me=20 > they don't exist, show them the radio on the shelf and explain how=20 it=20 > works...then watch their jaws drop. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > You're right... and probably like AM stereo, there will be no way to=20 properly demo the radio. The BA needs every last ounce of gain to do=20 what it's supposed to do and Radio Shacks are not reception friendly. From jimbo@burgan.net Mon Apr 17 16:22:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66277 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2006 23:22:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2006 23:22:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm01.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.32) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2006 23:22:49 -0000 Received: from pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (pimout2-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.217]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3HNMkag001819 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 19:22:46 -0400 X-ORBL: [66.72.39.57] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-66-72-39-57.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [66.72.39.57]) by pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3HNMlFc088670 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 19:22:47 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c66275$d6bc7b10$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 19:22:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0616-0, 04/17/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Ibiquity Digital named Best of America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=DjHgtngSdaBvKfYSofOgnEajsARvxjpwt94rKHMAtz-T0Fs X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > > Seriously, WEBE's HD channel does sound identical to their analog > channel. WEZN had a little better high end in HD.... but not that > much. It's not worth the difference. And if you tweaked an FM > station right you could make it sound as good. But the point is I > thought with digital you were suppose to have much better sounding > audio?? Alright, come on all you engineers and P.Ds out there. Why I offer my own thoughts about dynamic processing, which I'm sure does not represent the majority opinion. I work for a small group or stations. We have 1 AM and 5 FMs. Our owner is a 'naturalist' and doesn't like a lot of dynamic compression. I guess if it was a perfect world, I would conceded the issue and turn off the Omnias and Optimods and put a brick wall limiter ahead of the transmitter to keep us legal, and attempt to do what many classical stations do. The problem is, it's not a perfect world and the average listener isn't listening on an expensive home audio component. 60% of the listeners of our stations do so in a vehicle. 30% of them listen at work and the other 10% are listening on walkmans and other small devices. For the 70% who listen at work or in the car, the accoustics are not favorable for listening to the radio. Even good, quiet automobiles are noisy. If the drive train is acoustically superior, there is still road noise (the tires on the pavement) and other ambient noises. Cars do have lost of sound absorbing properties... In fact we have a client who records his own spots (car dealer) and he records his voiceover tracks in his Ford LTD in the parking lot with a Sony MiniDisc, because he thinks his LTD is the perfect recording studio for absorbing sound. In spite of the audio absorbing qualities in a car, they are noisy when on the road. Consequently the audio needs to have some expansion during the softer moments to make up for the noisy environment. We have a Southern Gospel station in our cluster with a Optimod 8100. It has very little dynamic compression and is by-far the quietest station on the dial. Every time I hit the button I have to reach up and crank up the volume. Then when the louder parts play I have to turn the volume down. If I listen in my car it is a constant struggle to keep it at a listenable level. Many callers have complained because we are so much quieter than other stations, and because they constantly have to 'ride the volume control' to maintain a desirable level. IBOIC/HD Radio does not change any of these conditions, so when we add HD, it's going to get the same treatment from our processing. Bob Orban has constantly warned of listener fatigue when setting up his Optimod processors, but I have never heard a listener tell me they were fatigued from the lack of dynamics. The real problem is with recordings... Most contemporary music is already squished beyond words in the studio. When we RIP them into our delivery system, I shake my head as I look at the wave-form on the screen. That's because consumers were complaining that CD's and MP3's sounded better on the radio. When these recordings get a second dose of processing on a radio station's transmitter chain, I admit it really sounds bad. Bands like Train and Goo Goo Dolls are examples. But in my 32 years in radio, I have yet to have someone complain to me about too much dynamic processing. I have, however had many people complain about the lack of it on our Gospel station. If you can find a contemporary music station that does well in the ratings without significant dynamic processing, let me have their call letters because I don't believe they exist. -Jim- From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 17 18:45:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70216 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2006 01:45:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2006 01:45:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2006 01:45:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2006 01:45:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2006 01:45:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 01:45:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.250.1.193 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Fwd: AM Stereo Equipment (wanted) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=bfRmXNLpQKo6NZjrnV7xD3b-ckav2ugrGp-wFNW57WRizFj1Yw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics As found on the Broadcast list at http:// radiolists.net .... [BC] AM Stereo Equipment Don Niccum donn at dfn.com=20 Mon Apr 17 08:45:16 CDT 2006=20 We are looking for AM stereo equipment. Exciters, monitors and=20 processors. If you have any of this equipment, in working order,=20 laying around and you do not want it, please contact me off list. Thanks! Don Niccum, Operations Manager KCKN Radio 505-622-0658 donn at dfn.com donkckn at swwmail.net From wa2fnq@optonline.net Mon Apr 17 20:51:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53393 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2006 03:51:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2006 03:51:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2006 03:51:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2006 03:51:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2006 03:51:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 03:51:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001201c66275$d6bc7b10$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: Ibiquity Digital named Best of America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=8jZ6kM_UdaYYInZhIQzSMT7xv6ihZ_FSjicJLe2e5dGM X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Jim, Well, I'm part of a group of people who have a complaint about the=20 lack of dynamic range of many of the radio stations on the air=20 today. So here's your first complaint (lol). But on the other side of the fence I did work for an FM station=20 where the programming people wanted as little processing as we could=20 give them. We just lightly ran a Volumax (Am I showing my age?) at=20 the transmitter to protect us. We never had any complaints and the=20 station was one of the top three in the market for years. That was=20 WCTO FM in Smithtown, Long Island. Being loud doesn't necessarily=20 mean good ratings. And if classical stations said the heck with=20 dynamics they would have no audience at all. I'm not saying don't process audio at all or process too lightly,=20 but there is a happy medium. This is a case where less can be more=20 if done right. So here's a chance to do it. We live in a world where=20 one station has fought to be louder than the next guy. I make my=20 station loud. Then you hear it so you try to make your station sound=20 louder than me. I hear it and try to be louder than you. Stop!! It's=20 gone too far. So now we've made the present analog signals sound=20 worse than they could sound. But now radio maybe has a second chance=20 with digital. But instead of backing off just bit and trying to make=20 the digital sound a little better we pick up right where we left off=20 and the digital channel sounds the same as the analog. Why do I want=20 to buy a digital radio again??=20 You can process audio and still sound good. I know one engineer=20 who's pretty damn good at it. And yes, you have to overcome things=20 like road noise. I've had conversation with other people in the=20 industry and we agreed that there is a point you can process to and=20 overcome noise but still sound good. For years the company I worked=20 for fought the battle of the guy listening on a little TV speaker vs=20 the guy with a home theater. One just wants to hear his TV program=20 over the kids screaming and the dog barking and the other one wants=20 dynamics. It's a similar situation but you work out a solution and=20 sound better as a result.=20 As far as listening fatigue, at one AM I worked for we had a lot of=20 processing and there were those D.J.s that complained about fatigue.=20 Bob Orban has a point. I think it would less effect a listener but=20 it could. AM is a whole different story anyway. What I am saying is if the HD digital signal doeasn't sound better=20 then there must be a reason. 1) The radio station (programming/engineering) isn't doing their job=20 and is treating it just as poorly as they have treated the analog=20 signal, which can sound quite good. 2) iBiquity hasn't done their job and their system doesn't measure=20 up. 3) Both. Part of the job of being an engineer is to help educate those in=20 programming and management about new technologies. There are those=20 that say "Well not if you want to keep your job"! Yes, those in=20 power do have the last word but engineering must lay out all the=20 options on the table and let them make the final decision. I get the=20 feeling this might not exactly be what's happening here or people=20 are just stuck in the way they have thought for years. The audience=20 is changing. On one hand you have people running around listening to=20 low bit rate audio on their iPods and on the other hand you have=20 those that have learned what good quality audio really is from their=20 new digital TV sets and home theaters. They may even be the same=20 people but regardless there is a growing number of people who are=20 becoming aware of what good quality audio really is. If radio even=20 continues to sound the same then it may loose and at this point it=20 can't afford to loose anymore. Radio is facing too many competing=20 technologies and it will have to strive to be better not the same. I'm sure there lies a compromise between what you and I have said. Jerry WA2FNQ=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: =20 > I offer my own thoughts about dynamic processing, which I'm sure=20 does not=20 > represent the majority opinion. From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Apr 17 21:00:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6675 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2006 04:00:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2006 04:00:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.186) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2006 04:00:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 28359 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Apr 2006 04:00:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20060418040024.28357.qmail@web25801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:00:24 PDT Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:00:24 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060417130231.56435.qmail@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Radio at Radio Shack?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=RniXww_DilZ5ZCu3mw21o9HB8GVSn3DMQLrzszzhAa-pGC54mshS X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Ok so heres my question to all you radio folks out there. How many of yall collect AM Transistor Radios? The pocket radio types? I have started to get into that. I've seen books on this hobby but I wonder which ones are good? Anyone want to suggest some? I wouldn't mind learning how to repair and restore them. Anyone into this hobby? -Kevin --- "John P." wrote: --------------------------------- Here's a truly novel idea - sell RADIOS at freakin' RADIO SHACK! "Would you like a cellphone to go along with your HD radio, as the AM audio is the same quality?" Courtesy of Radio World(c): "RadioShack to Offer HD Radios RadioShack will start carrying HD Radios, possibly as soon as May. As RW Online has reported, the retailer is closing some locations and moving out old, slower-moving merchandise with new, faster-moving merchandise within higher growth categories in what it’s calling a “turnaround plan” to boost profits. HD Radios will be some of those new product offerings “in select markets,” a spokesman confirmed to Radio World. RadioShack plans to carry the Boston Acoustics Recepter HD and is evaluating options beyond that. In February, RadioShack said it intends to close 400–700 stores out of nearly 7,000 total retail locations." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Apr 17 21:12:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83184 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2006 04:12:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2006 04:12:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao02.cox.net) (68.230.241.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2006 04:12:06 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060418041201.GRQG14494.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 00:12:01 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <20060418040024.28357.qmail@web25801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060418040024.28357.qmail@web25801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4EC81431-B2E2-4455-BB0B-BC5818457D2D@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:12:00 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Radio at Radio Shack?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=WD3jOtUdXjK6dBDiAiolfzUWrsy_oxprdTAOtee0_GZgwpf_WMDlSxWlvjr0 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner I don't collect them (when I was younger I had a habit of breaking them in trying to get better reception), but I liked Realtone. On Apr 17, 2006, at 9:00 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > Ok so heres my question to all you radio folks out > there. How many of yall collect AM Transistor Radios? > The pocket radio types? I have started to get into > that. I've seen books on this hobby but I wonder > which ones are good? Anyone want to suggest some? I > wouldn't mind learning how to repair and restore them. > Anyone into this hobby? > > -Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Apr 18 08:58:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88027 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2006 15:58:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2006 15:58:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30011.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.214) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2006 15:58:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 34477 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Apr 2006 15:58:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20060418155844.34475.qmail@web30011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.102] by web30011.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:58:44 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:58:44 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060418040024.28357.qmail@web25801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Radio at Radio Shack?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=BekEeUAmD4tTYP2ujebRx9CiuaIjdqhrKc2Kscr1Bxs X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > Ok so heres my question to all you radio folks out > there. How many of yall collect AM Transistor > Radios? I do to some extent. > The pocket radio types? I have a few. I have started to get into > that. I've seen books on this hobby but I wonder > which ones are good? Anyone want to suggest some? Zenith made some good ones as did RCA and Zenith. So did Sony. Sony has one out right now for about $10, runs on 2 AA's and is super on the AM band. I am not home so I don't have the model #. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From grenert@yahoo.com Tue Apr 18 10:12:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: grenert@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85736 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2006 17:12:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2006 17:12:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.158) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2006 17:12:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 46549 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Apr 2006 17:09:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20060418170959.46547.qmail@web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.68.210.59] by web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:09:59 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:09:59 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060418155844.34475.qmail@web30011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "James P. Grenert, MD, PhD" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Radio at Radio Shack?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=120617486; y=TyeXvupFRHx-dlHFj0eO3T7rk5FvEmoOfcjxL4wHzidTxQ X-Yahoo-Profile: grenert The ICF-S10 Mk2. I agree; it's super on the AM. --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > Sony has one out right now for about $10, runs on 2 > AA's and is super on the AM band. I am not home so I > don't have the model #. > > Powell > > w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com > NNNN! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Apr 18 10:34:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89973 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2006 17:34:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2006 17:34:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.163) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2006 17:34:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 82577 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Apr 2006 17:34:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20060418173417.82575.qmail@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:34:17 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:34:17 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1145380336.1630.85744.m21@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: AM Transistor Radio Collectors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=SDCKfY44Vc8HtRx8Nq0c6qcQZdz07mBW1zGT7c1PsXyIGoGUg4G8AJs X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio If you would listen to CFCO on a 1962 vintage Zenith 'portable Royal 500' - you would have a tear in your eyes. Who would think that a 44 year old AM radio would sound so fantastic with music? It has fantastic audio quality - my unit looks like hell, but boy does it sound great (all I have to do is add a C-Quam decoder to it). It is the magical combination of 3 items: - 10KHz (stereo) AM audio from the transmitter - Radio with a wide AM bandwidth and superb audio/speaker quality - Great music format and full-service station Thats what it takes - the rare combination - on AM it takes all 3: transmitter plant quality / quality receiver / quality content __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Apr 18 11:47:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41967 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2006 18:47:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2006 18:47:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.95) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2006 18:47:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:46:50 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.42 by BAY106-DAV23.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:46:47 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:46:47 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Apr 2006 18:46:50.0605 (UTC) FILETIME=[742C19D0:01C66318] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.95 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Sony ICF-S10MK2 Review - RadioIntel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=ugZK_8T8-ED_rmLL-pk_I4zK8BCRbz6THAWjPm7plarn7jme8Q13R-vOGp0 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I went to http://www.sony.com and in search mode, ICF-210MK2 did not come up with any results, but with a Google search, came up with a review and a picture of the radio on the link below. http://www.radiointel.com/review-sonys10mk2.htm Is this radio still being produced? Donn St. Petersburg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From grenert@yahoo.com Tue Apr 18 12:28:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: grenert@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41934 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2006 19:28:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2006 19:28:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2006 19:28:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 12719 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Apr 2006 19:28:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20060418192832.12717.qmail@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.68.210.59] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:28:32 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:28:32 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:10:0:0 From: "James P. Grenert, MD, PhD" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony ICF-S10MK2 Review - RadioIntel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=120617486; y=oOA2x4dMtDBP9eiJbKjFqOC-gfdyZqyLd1KLyLQJ84Fe7g X-Yahoo-Profile: grenert Hi, Donn. It's definitely still available. Go to www.sonystyle.com and click on "radios" under the "MP3 and portable electronics" heading. It's a whopping $10 plus shipping. If you have a Sony store near you, it's the same price. I've also seen it at Walgreens for about $16. Cheers. -J. P. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Apr 18 12:45:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94228 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2006 19:45:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2006 19:45:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.80) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2006 19:45:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:45:00 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.48 by BAY106-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:44:51 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:44:51 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Apr 2006 19:45:00.0634 (UTC) FILETIME=[946443A0:01C66320] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.80 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony ICF-S10MK2 Review - RadioIntel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=aPqalPc377vi4G7oLOuGeu4fVr-9LKY-1AwgGZsAYtHCe9rXwBEdDom3Ozw X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank You very much for the info, J.P. (forgive the informality), There is a Sony Store in St Pete Beach, will have to check there. The review, I read indicated that the a.m. band on the tested model only went to around 1650 (even though it's advertised to go to 1710k.c.) I have a Radio Shack Loop antenna (which, of course, has been discontinued by Radio Shack, since it has something to do with "R" word! :) ) and the review indicates that this radio with the Radio Shack Loop really provides some outstanding a.m. reception. Donn latitude 27.761 north --------Original Message------------ From: James P. Grenert, MD, PhD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony ICF-S10MK2 Review - RadioIntel.com Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:28:32 -0700 Hi, Donn. It's definitely still available. Go to www.sonystyle.com and click on "radios" under the "MP3 and portable electronics" heading. It's a whopping $10 plus shipping. If you have a Sony store near you, it's the same price. I've also seen it at Walgreens for about $16. Cheers. -J. P. ____________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: Donn Tillman Sent: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:46:47 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Sony ICF-S10MK2 Review - RadioIntel.com I went to http://www.sony.com and in search mode, ICF-210MK2 did not come up with any results, but with a Google search, came up with a review and a picture of the radio on the link below. http://www.radiointel.com/review-sonys10mk2.htm Is this radio still being produced? Donn St. Petersburg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Apr 18 17:35:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78090 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2006 00:35:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2006 00:35:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.215) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2006 00:35:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 7892 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2006 00:35:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20060419003530.7890.qmail@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.76] by web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:35:30 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:35:30 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony ICF-S10MK2 Review - RadioIntel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=YztKmnw6P8um8WCCiOYFq9Ob2GR2xD7Bm5C7VrTFO1E X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Donn Tillman wrote: > I went to > > http://www.sony.com > > and in search mode, ICF-210MK2 > did not come up with any results, but with a Google > search, came up with a review and a picture of the > radio on the link below. Because the model is ICF-S10MK2 is why you didn't find it. > http://www.radiointel.com/review-sonys10mk2.htm That is the one. I got one from Sony and the other from Sears. > Is this radio still being produced? Yes. Watch word wrap. http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_BrowseCatalog-Start?CategoryName=pa_Radio_PortableRadio&Dept=audio Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Apr 18 17:40:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40415 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2006 00:40:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2006 00:40:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.71) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2006 00:40:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 94004 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2006 00:40:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20060419004025.94002.qmail@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.76] by web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:40:25 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:40:25 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony ICF-S10MK2 Review - RadioIntel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=a6k0XDY-yb4pLG-z3BjuqRbxFb6HiMZSpS97kqOdVG8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW A SUPER radio also is the SRF M85V. I have the earlier model. It's selective unlike the cheaper digitally tuned other Sony. It's around $50 even at WalMart. Then there's the single AA model SRF-59Silver. Analog tuning but has a great FM and good AM. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Apr 18 22:45:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62000 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2006 05:44:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2006 05:44:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.190) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2006 05:44:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 1969 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2006 05:44:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20060419054454.1967.qmail@web25805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:44:54 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:44:54 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060418155844.34475.qmail@web30011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Radio at Radio Shack?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=PDRi8mFbd29x55eLFG6Xfo0bIOtgl12VO4B0lxfiFg2WkozxDxCf X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Powell it's the ICF S10MK2 and yes it's wonderful, I have one. I got mine at the local walgreens near my house for $12.99. Worth every penny. Never heard a beter sounding little radio. Of course I have a somewhat bigger Sony AM/FM radio , the type u sorta take on a picnic, just the next size up. It is also excellent and i've had it for years. Sony seems to know how to make an AM section as well as FM section. As far as stereo components I do like onkyo's better, they are built better and their amp section plays cleaner and better and they are built like tanks. The thing though is that Onkyo cannot make a good AM/FM section. You definitely need good antennas on them or you get a lot of static. Sony has them beat on tuner sections. -Kevin --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: --------------------------------- --- Kevin Bell wrote: > Ok so heres my question to all you radio folks out > there. How many of yall collect AM Transistor > Radios? I do to some extent. > The pocket radio types? I have a few. I have started to get into > that. I've seen books on this hobby but I wonder > which ones are good? Anyone want to suggest some? Zenith made some good ones as did RCA and Zenith. So did Sony. Sony has one out right now for about $10, runs on 2 AA's and is super on the AM band. I am not home so I don't have the model #. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Apr 18 22:56:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72955 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2006 05:56:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2006 05:56:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.192) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2006 05:56:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 71769 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2006 05:55:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20060419055500.71767.qmail@web25807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:55:00 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:55:00 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060418173417.82575.qmail@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.192 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Transistor Radio Collectors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=wJIgMHWMFIcvSnCxS2edvOnXCh5Storm3C3znZ7DePcNMO4hC5zD X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Yeah I want to get an old Zenith but they are pricey. I'm looking for one now and I do know the 500 series. They definitely made some nice ones. I like all the old ones like that that have metal grills and built like tanks. I even like the designs of the Magnavox's although it seems that most of them that you come across no longer work. Probably higher on looks than their quality. My whole family used to be big Magnavox fans in the late 60s early 70s. We still had all those consoles around when I was a young kid in the late 70s. My grandparents went all out in 1969. They sold their little house and bought a big new Tri-Level! LOL!! It was that Tri-Level, Split-Level era. Anyays my grandfather had the magnavox people come out and wire the whole house for stereo music and antenna. He bought two large color consoles and also bought one of their Astro Sonic large stereos and had that music piped all over the house. This was high cotton back then, LOL!!! He really loved his magnavox and 8 track country tapes, LOL! Boy those were the days as a lil kid. He had the magnavox people put up the largest VHF/UHF/FM stereo antennas they had in their arsenal at the time. Had those wires run. All in that brand new house. He was forward thinking eventhough he only had a 3rd grade education. Worked hard all his life and just loved music and tv. He was a great guy. Just think about it. Who does all that these days unless you are totally loaded? All that custom installation. RCA dealers and Magnavox dealers used to do all that stuff and run remote speakers and things. None of them do that anymore. TV's are just plastic pieces of junk these days. Yes the resolution is better but man look at those old things, real wood, quality, etc. Miss those days. Anyways I got off on a tangent here. I'm still gonna look for one of those Zenith radios. Oh and lastly. That 1969 magnavox antenna is still on top of my grandmothers house, it has that chimney mount. Still up there in place and tight. She just needs someone run some new wires cause they fel off a long time ago. She usese rabbit ears. Refuses to get cable. She thinks no one should pay for tv, LOL! Well shes 85 years old so as long as she can get her "Price is Right" AKA as Bob Barker and her soap operas shes cool, lol! -Kevin --- "John P." wrote: --------------------------------- If you would listen to CFCO on a 1962 vintage Zenith 'portable Royal 500' - you would have a tear in your eyes. Who would think that a 44 year old AM radio would sound so fantastic with music? It has fantastic audio quality - my unit looks like hell, but boy does it sound great (all I have to do is add a C-Quam decoder to it). It is the magical combination of 3 items: - 10KHz (stereo) AM audio from the transmitter - Radio with a wide AM bandwidth and superb audio/speaker quality - Great music format and full-service station Thats what it takes - the rare combination - on AM it takes all 3: transmitter plant quality / quality receiver / quality content __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum SPONSORED LINKS Stereo High performance Digital radio --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Apr 18 22:59:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61041 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2006 05:59:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2006 05:59:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.194) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2006 05:59:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 20362 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2006 05:58:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20060419055857.20360.qmail@web25809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:58:57 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:58:57 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony ICF-S10MK2 Review - RadioIntel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=FOPnfLymZ3FP3h6ttAbpodR6LuqftbXqrs9Ajay6gEcWF_fNheQ9 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Donn, Yes the ICF-S10MK2 is still made. It's an excellent radio and well worth the money. It will run 45 hours on a set of batteries according to Sony. You should pick one up when you can. I bought mine from Walgreens. Check drug stores because many of them still carry pocket transistors like this. Walmart sadly doesn't. You can also order direct from sony at http://www.sonystyle.com -Kevin --- Donn Tillman wrote: --------------------------------- I went to http://www.sony.com and in search mode, ICF-210MK2 did not come up with any results, but with a Google search, came up with a review and a picture of the radio on the link below. Is this radio still being produced? Donn St. Petersburg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum SPONSORED LINKS Stereo High performance Digital radio --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Apr 18 23:08:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65696 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2006 06:08:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2006 06:08:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.176.248) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2006 06:08:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 86028 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2006 06:08:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20060419060838.86026.qmail@web25815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:08:38 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:08:38 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.176.248 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony ICF-S10MK2 Review - RadioIntel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=LiXIz1tg4UsF-3TMvTBGUTUNMi3ebqFEDb3wDnQeU5kugSYlgObi X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Don its 1605 i'd say. The older range. The radio goes from 5-16 on the AM dial. Interestingly its like the old radios in that respect instead of saying 54-1605 its 5-16. Actually 5.3-16. You can definitely tell Sony wanted to point out its AM capability because the AM band is in Gold just like where it says FM/AM and the model number. The FM is in silver. But the AM dial numbers are bigger and in gold so i'm sure they were pointing out that it has a pretty decent AM Section and it does. These radios feel like quality too. It's a very attractive little radio, the pictures don't do it justice. Go buy one you'll love it. -Kevin --- Donn Tillman wrote: --------------------------------- Thank You very much for the info, J.P. (forgive the informality), There is a Sony Store in St Pete Beach, will have to check there. The review, I read indicated that the a.m. band on the tested model only went to around 1650 (even though it's advertised to go to 1710k.c.) I have a Radio Shack Loop antenna (which, of course, has been discontinued by Radio Shack, since it has something to do with "R" word! :) ) and the review indicates that this radio with the Radio Shack Loop really provides some outstanding a.m. reception. Donn latitude 27.761 north --------Original Message------------ From: James P. Grenert, MD, PhD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony ICF-S10MK2 Review - RadioIntel.com Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:28:32 -0700 Hi, Donn. It's definitely still available. Go to www.sonystyle.com and click on "radios" under the "MP3 and portable electronics" heading. It's a whopping $10 plus shipping. If you have a Sony store near you, it's the same price. I've also seen it at Walgreens for about $16. Cheers. -J. P. ____________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: Donn Tillman Sent: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:46:47 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Sony ICF-S10MK2 Review - RadioIntel.com I went to http://www.sony.com and in search mode, ICF-210MK2 did not come up with any results, but with a Google search, came up with a review and a picture of the radio on the link below. http://www.radiointel.com/review-sonys10mk2.htm Is this radio still being produced? Donn St. Petersburg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Apr 18 23:17:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11963 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2006 06:17:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2006 06:17:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.192) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2006 06:17:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 80940 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2006 06:17:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20060419061729.80938.qmail@web25807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.27.247] by web25807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:17:29 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:17:29 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060419004025.94002.qmail@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.192 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony ICF-S10MK2 Review - RadioIntel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=Ec1yPNZ-SkfxTrcdlrMJRS4d1zTJfp55bMPe3hOk15SbxlW_W4i- X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I'll tell you guys this. We were talking about AM but this little radio has a super FM Section too. I tuned in a beautiful music station on FM. WMUU from Greenville and the fidelity on this little radio sounded more like a stereo. Really good high end treble for a tiny radio. Sounded lifelike. It really does have great fidelity. I wish they still made the ICF-24. I have one of those and it likewise has an excellent tuner and fidelity. It is a larger carry around radio. It isn't super large or anything just bigger than a pocket radio. It's lightweight though and has a built in AC cord too if you wanna run it off AC. Sony really makes great portables no doubt. I could care less for their home audio components but their little radios are well built. Now let me tell you guys Panasonic still offers radios as well. I saw a pocket AM/FM from them on JandR music world. They also had a Panasonic which was more the size of the Sony ICF-24 with a 4 inch speaker. I do prefer the analogue tuning on the Sony's as opposed to their digital ones although they are good too. For radio I really just prefer an all analogue tuner cause you can tune "in-between". I'm starting to think I should run down to Walgreens and buy another one of these Sony's! -Kevin --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: --------------------------------- A SUPER radio also is the SRF M85V. I have the earlier model. It's selective unlike the cheaper digitally tuned other Sony. It's around $50 even at WalMart. Then there's the single AA model SRF-59Silver. Analog tuning but has a great FM and good AM. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Apr 19 07:10:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+mh8T+27+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53781 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2006 14:10:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2006 14:10:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2006 14:10:32 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.212]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 72478304 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:10:29 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c663bb$2dcd47e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:11:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 30, in=23, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.212 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Bill Norman's Article X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=Xtuvctsi11bIShxf7cx7-uxZU_l5WAxaHeCHxsl46RsH3Ym7ClYV X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It must already be having some effect. Saw a post on a tech forum a day or two ago, and Don Niccum, an engineer in the Roswell, NM area was looking for some CQUAM equipment. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "dbdigital2004" > It may be a voice in the wilderness, but Bill's RW article was a great read nontheless. > > There is absolutely no reason why an AM station should not be using C-Quam if it isn't > already running IBOC. > > > It will be interesting to see who among AM broadcasters responds to Bill's challenge. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Apr 19 07:26:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+mh8T+27+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22140 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2006 14:26:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2006 14:26:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2006 14:26:16 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.212]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 69652549 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:25:50 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004d01c663bd$53152020$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:26:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 39, in=56, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.212 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Ibiquity Digital named Best of America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=4aZUnfi5vrve_610P4CTwQPFPFs4pJxxWVLERxKElZDpSbk7PHwy X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude No need to apologize- I feel much the same way. There is one caveat in all this, and that is if Wi-MAX takes off, you'll see the end of most commercial-free music sites, because there will be enough people accessing them that the RIAA, BMI, ASCAP and SESAC will come after them. They'll have to fund their sites one way or the other to pay those fees and for the extra bandwidth. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "wa2fnq" > > Sorry for the rant. I'm just someone who is associated with the > industry who is sick of seeing it killed by those that think they > know best. > > There's a lot of free, commercial free stations on the internet to > listen to. Once AAC becomes more widespread it will be even better. > I'll be there proividing a quality service for those who want it. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Apr 19 07:33:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+mh8T+27+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37154 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2006 14:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2006 14:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2006 14:33:32 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.212]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 72291888 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:33:28 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <006801c663be$63db72a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <001201c66275$d6bc7b10$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:34:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 51, in=50, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.212 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Ibiquity Digital named Best of America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=8_65J-hUxJK0Nubx4JTZOwcRHjyvQ5muBPCK_HClpw3FKpcRs9Ij X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude They don't complain of listener fatigue because they're not all that conscious of what's happening. All they know is their ears can't take the near sinewave dynamic range and just tune out. Still, your points are valid. You do need at least some compression to make up for the noisy environments. You'd be surprised at the number of classical stations that have their processors set up to deliver a lot more compression during drive times than at other hours. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Burgan" > I offer my own thoughts about dynamic processing, which I'm sure does not > represent the majority opinion. > The problem is, it's not a perfect world and the average listener isn't > listening on an expensive home audio component. 60% of the listeners of our > stations do so in a vehicle. 30% of them listen at work and the other 10% > are listening on walkmans and other small devices. For the 70% who listen > at work or in the car, the accoustics are not favorable for listening to the > radio. Even good, quiet automobiles are noisy. > Bob Orban has constantly warned of listener fatigue when setting up his > Optimod processors, but I have never heard a listener tell me they were > fatigued from the lack of dynamics. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Apr 19 07:45:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+mh8T+27+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2657 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2006 14:45:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2006 14:45:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2006 14:45:26 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.212]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 69655583 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:43:38 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <009401c663bf$cf845f20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060418040024.28357.qmail@web25801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:44:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 39, in=57, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.212 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Radio at Radio Shack?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=9Kp06Bmgq5cZD4i8UaXkYdFzCKsP-gVz9Q5XccUijqUvIrA-YE2f X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You just missed a couple of Zeniths that Chris Cuff had for sale. Generally the two biggest problems are the electrolytic caps, and a distant second the transistors. If it works, leave it alone. Otherwise a wholesale replacement of the lytics will often get it back into service, assuming you want to use it on a somewhat regular basis. I collect older tube radios, myself, but have been around the hobby long enough to know something about the areas I'm not directly participating in. There's a transistor radio collectors forum at the Antique Radio Forum website. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" > Ok so heres my question to all you radio folks out > there. How many of yall collect AM Transistor Radios? > The pocket radio types? I have started to get into > that. I've seen books on this hobby but I wonder > which ones are good? Anyone want to suggest some? I > wouldn't mind learning how to repair and restore them. > Anyone into this hobby? > From wnmb@sc.rr.com Wed Apr 19 08:59:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54682 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2006 15:59:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2006 15:59:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.102) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2006 15:59:55 -0000 Received: from BillNorman (rrcs-24-199-186-206.midsouth.biz.rr.com [24.199.186.206]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k3JELPBh027918 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000e01c663bd$14cebe20$6701a8c0@BillNorman> To: References: <001b01c663bb$2dcd47e0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:25:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "WNMB" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Bill Norman's Article X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=DevNImPNZttljTjeqNFiFB-QpJ7hXFLlKqwJqrAvgieiyg X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott, I've gotten calls from Florida, Kentucky, Pennsylvania and Iowa from owners who say they are either converting to AMS or turning theirs back "on". Very encouraging so far. Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Apr 19 20:33:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92367 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2006 03:33:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2006 03:33:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.195) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2006 03:33:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 11068 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Apr 2006 03:33:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20060420033318.11066.qmail@web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.22.56] by web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:33:18 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:33:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000e01c663bd$14cebe20$6701a8c0@BillNorman> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Bill Norman's Article X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=YTVmWYIGzpjqb1idxcraq64qSkPx-o0cjDXZcgGat5b_j6X9h8_c X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke GO BILL GO!!! Cheer him on people lets hear it!!! -KEvin --- WNMB wrote: --------------------------------- Scott, I've gotten calls from Florida, Kentucky, Pennsylvania and Iowa from owners who say they are either converting to AMS or turning theirs back "on". Very encouraging so far. Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Apr 19 20:37:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72711 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2006 03:37:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2006 03:37:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.194) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2006 03:37:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 30161 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Apr 2006 03:37:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20060420033726.30159.qmail@web25809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.22.56] by web25809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:37:26 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:37:26 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <009401c663bf$cf845f20$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Radio at Radio Shack?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=kTt-V0E30DMUIH7P5D8tYLUwav7Hk9gTcRig7ZsFNOGVaLjGsQEd X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Scott, I've wanted to know just about that very thing. Are they difficult to repair? It doesn't seem they would be. I mean finding the parts if probably more difficult. I haven't soldered anything in quite some time. One reason is I don't think its good to breathe those vapors. I mean yeah you can turn your head away but still some of it you take in. I was always sorta scared about soldering for that reason alone. I try to stay in good health and be conscientious. Anyways are there any books you would suggest that detail repairing these radios? I've seen books on transistor radios and most are the collector books but I am not sure which ones are good and which are BS. I'd like to know which ones are good for repair. -Kevin --- Scott Todd wrote: --------------------------------- You just missed a couple of Zeniths that Chris Cuff had for sale. Generally the two biggest problems are the electrolytic caps, and a distant second the transistors. If it works, leave it alone. Otherwise a wholesale replacement of the lytics will often get it back into service, assuming you want to use it on a somewhat regular basis. I collect older tube radios, myself, but have been around the hobby long enough to know something about the areas I'm not directly participating in. There's a transistor radio collectors forum at the Antique Radio Forum website. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" > Ok so heres my question to all you radio folks out > there. How many of yall collect AM Transistor Radios? > The pocket radio types? I have started to get into > that. I've seen books on this hobby but I wonder > which ones are good? Anyone want to suggest some? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From badeditpro@charter.net Thu Apr 20 16:33:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23250 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2006 23:33:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2006 23:33:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf40.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.172) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2006 23:33:40 -0000 Received: from mxip34a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip34a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.249]) by mxsf40.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3KNXcXW014718 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:33:39 -0400 Received: from 24-241-13-230.dhcp.rnrp.nc.charter.com (HELO yourfd6nvjcer4) ([24.241.13.230]) by mxip34a.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 20 Apr 2006 19:33:33 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c664d2$d672df00$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:33:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.28.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: Re: Bill Borman's Article X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=vUKokMCVeIJkgBpmveeCoJnqR6F3ZlnlCdmtz-f8k7v0NXrFkCUhrSuBbEYp X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill, you are fast becoming my hero! I have not seen the article yet so I cannot comment on it directly. However, I think it is outstanding that folks are showing interest in AMS.... A few more success stories like Bill's and I might just have enough ammo to get the brass to let me spend the bucks to go AMS on my AM's. That thought makes me smile! Anxiously awaiting a long overdue paradigm shift, :) Joe Collins [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Apr 20 17:38:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+6KEk+29+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95381 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 00:38:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2006 00:38:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2006 00:38:19 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.209.187]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 72084276 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:38:17 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <006101c664dc$0e53e640$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <000601c664d2$d672df00$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:39:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.209.187 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Bill Borman's Article X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=WMA_aPv8N2zUtzq1dGzwlcPJ6WbVNOBN5RdHSdVbyejOj0sdDWP4 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Here, here! And heros are in short supply these days. Way to go, Bill. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Collins" > Bill, you are fast becoming my hero! I have not seen the article yet so I cannot comment on it directly. However, I think it is outstanding that folks are showing interest in AMS.... A few more success stories like Bill's and I might just have enough ammo to get the brass to let me spend the bucks to go AMS on my AM's. That thought makes me smile! > > Anxiously awaiting a long overdue paradigm shift, From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Apr 20 17:52:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+6KEk+29+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82049 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 00:51:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2006 00:51:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2006 00:51:43 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.209.187]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 69924864 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:35:29 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701c664db$a9a02ce0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060420033726.30159.qmail@web25809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:36:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.209.187 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Radio at Radio Shack?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=HKOuVBfGtqsCvFDbyN2hCtukZktlggE6wb-wyMEYFrprrk0BV1XV X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude They're a cinch to repair. About the only thing you have to worry about is lifting the foils with too much heat. Don't worry about the soldering fumes. Unless you're doing this every day you won't take in enough to matter. If you still want to do something anyway, just use a low speed fan to blow the smoke away from you. Too much air and it may affect your soldering iron. Use an iron that's 25W or less. As for parts, they don't have to be exact. You can replace caps with higher voltage units. You probably won't find 10u caps that are rated at only 6v anymore. Just use the lowest voltage you can find that's higher. Join the Antique Radio Forum for more info. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" > Scott, > > I've wanted to know just about that very thing. > Are they difficult to repair? It doesn't seem they > would be. I mean finding the parts if probably more > difficult. I haven't soldered anything in quite some > time. One reason is I don't think its good to breathe > those vapors. I mean yeah you can turn your head away > but still some of it you take in. I was always sorta > scared about soldering for that reason alone. I try > to stay in good health and be conscientious. Anyways > are there any books you would suggest that detail > repairing these radios? I've seen books on transistor > radios and most are the collector books but I am not > sure which ones are good and which are BS. I'd like > to know which ones are good for repair. From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Apr 21 00:37:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74191 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 07:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2006 07:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.176.247) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2006 07:37:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 18242 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Apr 2006 07:37:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20060421073755.18240.qmail@web25814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.22.56] by web25814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 00:37:55 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 00:37:55 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <005701c664db$a9a02ce0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.176.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Radio at Radio Shack?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=F2OrVuER8QB-PfvPmkXCwhN6BmrjHVlQri-q0G5y-haUkfLoBmg9 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott, Thanks i'll have to look for that forum. Maybe you could send the link. Yeah I've purchased some vintage transistors off ebay, got them today and all are working fine. I also bought a Realistic MTA-12 table radio AM/FM in mint shape. It's the one that was copied from Sony. Woodgrain and brown speaker grill. I am actually listening to one of the vintage GE transistors now, an 8 transistor. Looks to be around 1965 judging by the metal grill, the slightly bigger size than the later ones and the odd very light turqoise colour. It's beautiful, looks and works great. I am listening to Coast to Coast AM with George Noory, LOL! Sometimes that show is interesting sometimes its just a load of bull. Anyway ill attach the picture from the auction that I won. The little radio cleaned up just nicely and works well. Nice tone. Like I said it's a little larger than the 70s pocket radios and interestingly its a type without the wrist strap. I'd say it was 1964-1967 era. Whole front face is metal. Takes to AA batteries, back then called Penlight batteries! Well Let me know if you know exactly what year this radio is from. I'm just judging by the larger better build as opposed to some later units I have from GE. Well let me know. Thanks. -Kevin --- Scott Todd wrote: --------------------------------- They're a cinch to repair. About the only thing you have to worry about is lifting the foils with too much heat. Don't worry about the soldering fumes. Unless you're doing this every day you won't take in enough to matter. If you still want to do something anyway, just use a low speed fan to blow the smoke away from you. Too much air and it may affect your soldering iron. Use an iron that's 25W or less. As for parts, they don't have to be exact. You can replace caps with higher voltage units. You probably won't find 10u caps that are rated at only 6v anymore. Just use the lowest voltage you can find that's higher. Join the Antique Radio Forum for more info. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" > Scott, > > I've wanted to know just about that very thing. > Are they difficult to repair? It doesn't seem they > would be. I mean finding the parts if probably more > difficult. I haven't soldered anything in quite some > time. One reason is I don't think its good to breathe > those vapors. I mean yeah you can turn your head away > but still some of it you take in. I was always sorta > scared about soldering for that reason alone. I try > to stay in good health and be conscientious. Anyways > are there any books you would suggest that detail > repairing these radios? I've seen books on transistor > radios and most are the collector books but I am not > sure which ones are good and which are BS. I'd like > to know which ones are good for repair. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Fri Apr 21 08:49:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34203 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 15:49:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2006 15:49:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.74) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2006 15:49:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 15:49:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 15:49:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:49:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.184.96.32 From: "Mike" Subject: Re: Sony ICF-S10MK2 Review - RadioIntel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087; y=unVJjZhRzpcRXemXWZbhFjKu4bTlKNHJ3AR4Eyu00q_ZOL4p X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman"=20 wrote: >=20 > I have a Radio Shack Loop antenna (which, of course, has been=20 discontinued by Radio Shack, since it has something to do with "R"=20 word! :) ) and the review indicates that this radio with the Radio=20 Shack Loop really provides some outstanding a.m. reception. > I had this radio (it broke haven't had a chance to get a new one). It=20 was, when it was working, better than my GE SuperRadio and much better=20 than that Grundig thing Radio Shack was selling for $99 which was OK. From starship_2001@msn.com Fri Apr 21 09:09:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87105 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 16:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2006 16:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.94) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2006 16:09:23 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:08:57 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.3 by BAY106-DAV22.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:08:52 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:08:52 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Apr 2006 16:08:57.0610 (UTC) FILETIME=[E51106A0:01C6655D] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony ICF-S10MK2 Review - RadioIntel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=MPpK6GSSkGoncHqyWi1TkZjBZdCzZrnu0mq1nwuHOUhzx1LNJpr_--cYmQ X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how well did it work nekid as a stand alone with the built in antennas. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Sent: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:49:30 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony ICF-S10MK2 Review - RadioIntel.com --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman" wrote: > > I have a Radio Shack Loop antenna (which, of course, has been discontinued by Radio Shack, since it has something to do with "R" word! :) ) and the review indicates that this radio with the Radio Shack Loop really provides some outstanding a.m. reception. > I had this radio (it broke haven't had a chance to get a new one). It was, when it was working, better than my GE SuperRadio and much better than that Grundig thing Radio Shack was selling for $99 which was OK. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Apr 21 10:19:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19186 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 17:19:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2006 17:19:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.152) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2006 17:19:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 3072 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Apr 2006 17:19:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20060421171912.3070.qmail@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:19:12 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:19:12 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1145637612.490.92866.m17@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Lead Soldering - no problem! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=ETOITz-X5TEaGn-bXVUmQNTAE2zknczTeag-TkuJWRg7vm4-6Pt6ftM X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio wrote: "I don't think its good to breathe those vapors." I've been using a soldering iron (and vintage '76 soldering gun) for almost 30 years, and breathing in all that lead-infested smoke hasn't affect me a bit, a bit, a bit, a bit, a bit, a bit, has it, has it, has it, has it??? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Fri Apr 21 13:17:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12431 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 20:17:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2006 20:17:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31901.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2006 20:17:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 68821 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Apr 2006 20:17:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20060421201713.68819.qmail@web31901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [60.234.212.159] by web31901.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:17:13 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:17:13 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1145637612.490.92866.m17@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1872 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915; y=0HkcctjKzrccVTK9khwoOumewCbMVXuYKVr72nBzIJFI0ShBYA X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes it is a good radio,it separates FM well ie gets a local on 99mHz and 60 miles away 99.3 ok,AM is good too and batteries last for ages, Michael amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: Message: 4 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:44:51 GMT From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: Sony ICF-S10MK2 Review - RadioIntel.com Thank You very much for the info, J.P. (forgive the informality), There is a Sony Store in St Pete Beach, will have to check there. The review, I read indicated that the a.m. band on the tested model only went to around 1650 (even though it's advertised to go to 1710k.c.) I have a Radio Shack Loop antenna (which, of course, has been discontinued by Radio Shack, since it has something to do with "R" word! :) ) and the review indicates that this radio with the Radio Shack Loop really provides some outstanding a.m. reception. Donn latitude 27.761 north === message truncated === Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Sat Apr 22 04:36:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30367 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2006 11:36:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2006 11:36:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.86) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2006 11:36:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2006 11:36:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2006 11:35:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:35:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.0.185.10 From: "Tom" Subject: Re: Sony ICF-S10MK2 Review - RadioIntel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=nKFhYgl49a_Zp6uugV1nqRvkwAjTGZjGeSziWScwk79AsMPxn0ymmymX X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 That Radio Intel site is good. I read the story about the "Show Your=20 Hog" contest. That 13-foot tall sign wins.=20=20 You're right about that RS AM antenna. I have the one Terk made. It=20 works great.=20=20 From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Sat Apr 22 18:35:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34808 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2006 01:35:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2006 01:35:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.162.85) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2006 01:35:50 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 18:35:50 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.0.231.124 by BAY108-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 01:35:48 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:35:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Apr 2006 01:35:50.0286 (UTC) FILETIME=[409D42E0:01C66676] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.162.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: My New Studios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=JU1EDpsL7jPgppADlLLXmHgv1A7Y0k-qRjDZJy3vVFkC X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd thought you all would appreciate the pic's of my new studios. below is links to pic's of my new studios/ham shack :) This is a part 15 AM/FM Station using a Hamilton Rangemaster(AM) and X-File XFT-40(FM) both part 15 type certified :) http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=wnjo2.jpg http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=wnjo3.jpg http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=wnjo4.jpg http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=wnjo5.jpg http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=wnjo6.jpg http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=wnjo15.jpg http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=wnjo16.jpg http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=wnjo17.jpg http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=wnjo9.jpg http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=wnjo8.jpg Thank You, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Apr 22 19:30:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+hvMc+31+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19040 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2006 02:30:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2006 02:30:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2006 02:30:23 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.180]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 73104877 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:30:21 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c6667e$0de71bc0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060421073755.18240.qmail@web25814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:31:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 33, in=32, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.180 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Radio at Radio Shack?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=ulQSMZxWmjXp11w8P0Ii_KnmGimHROCX_IfrD0rgQGBQE5ghq0GB X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Here ya go- http://antiqueradios.com//cgi-bin/forums/index.cgi If they're working OK, I'd leave them alone. It's 50's vintage transistor radios that are most likely in need of repair. I did have an early 60s AM/FM radio where all the FM tuner transistors all croaked one by one. They were OC171s used as RF amp, osc, and mixer. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" > Thanks i'll have to look for that forum. Maybe > you could send the link. Yeah I've purchased some > vintage transistors off ebay, got them today and all > are working fine. I also bought a Realistic MTA-12 > table radio AM/FM in mint shape. From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Apr 22 22:40:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5886 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2006 05:40:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2006 05:40:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.190) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2006 05:40:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 76246 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Apr 2006 05:40:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20060423054018.76244.qmail@web25805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.22.56] by web25805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 22:40:18 PDT Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 22:40:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003401c6667e$0de71bc0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Radio at Radio Shack?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=NJSad4tnohTk_0SIpIR2YPSjC2rTSp3buLXGkqfLm3THH920hOKq X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Scott, I appreciate you sending me the link. Yeah I myself am not really afraid to tinker with things. In fact one of the transistors I bought was early 60s vintage and wasn't quite getting locked in on station very well. Well I decided "hmmmm some of those tuning dials inside might need adjusting!" Well I got my micro drivers out and tuned to a strong station and then fine tuned those inside. Now I am just learning this stuff but i'll tell you it made a huge difference. Before I couldn't sit the little radio down because it would lose the station. Now it's pulling them strong and clear. Perhaps they just needed a little nudge. I figured hey it wasn't going to hurt to try that on one of them. Apparently whatever they are they do have something to do with the tuner. That dang little radio is now screaming nice and clear. I turned those litte dials within the little silver casings inside and it was like tuning it in, a little fine tuning. Now the radio locks right in on a station loud and clear. I noticed that the GE radio that I sent you a picture of has an armature type speaker in it which is the older way they designed speakers. This leads me to think that radio may be early 60s?? I don't know because I can't find a model number on that radio. It is somewhat larger than the other transistors I have and it doesn't have a wrist strap, never had one. There isn't even a place for one on it. Perhaps it was just meant to be a battery operated small table radio but with the body of a hand held. It's heavier too, very good construction for a GE. I noticed a lot of the little old GE's are of weak designs and cheaply made but these earlier ones with the full metal grill and larger size are built like a hoss! That radio really pulls stations loud and clear. I listen to a lot of talk radio so I am currently using it on my desk. Theres just so much beauty in something that old that still works like new. The Radio Shack Realistic MTA-12 is the table radio from the late 70s early 80s that Sony made for Radio Shack. It looks just like the Sony one. Works well. It was a little dirty (knobs, dial, etc) but the case was solid and operation was solid. I took the knobs off and cleaned them to a perfect shine and also dusted out the contacts and got all the scratchiness out. It didn't have much but there was a little scrathiness. That is all gone and it's clean as new now and looks great sitting up on my shelf. It has lighted dial and is tuned to NPR. I have it on now and it's performing just nicely with some classical music on. I've seen the later model MTA-15 but they looked cheaper and didnt have the brown cloth grill like this one. This one has a cherry case. Don't you just love it when you buy a vintage piece, get it home and clean it up to look shiny and new and then it performs new too? At any rate I am going to check out that site you sent me. Thanks and look forward to more conversation. -Kevin --- Scott Todd wrote: --------------------------------- Here ya go- http://antiqueradios.com//cgi-bin/forums/index.cgi If they're working OK, I'd leave them alone. It's 50's vintage transistor radios that are most likely in need of repair. I did have an early 60s AM/FM radio where all the FM tuner transistors all croaked one by one. They were OC171s used as RF amp, osc, and mixer. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" > Thanks i'll have to look for that forum. Maybe > you could send the link. Yeah I've purchased some > vintage transistors off ebay, got them today and all > are working fine. I also bought a Realistic MTA-12 > table radio AM/FM in mint shape. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 23 18:13:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55906 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2006 01:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2006 01:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.201) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2006 01:13:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 86591 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2006 01:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jim1db32qamp61) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@71.143.66.50 with login) by smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2006 01:13:19 -0000 Message-ID: <000601c6673c$468e7e00$d50bfea9@jim1db32qamp61> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:13:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: Pioneer SK-51 Am Fm Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=affY6_V9rBlTaQn3o3Py0tqNEft91-tfwJXK2xKmNNDDY9hGqNRxcSdK0EOIi_tBELPEkb-f X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Dose any one know when The Pioneer SK 51 AM FM Stereo Cassette boom box was made? I hand one used untill about 1984. I had liked it very much and i had found one on ebay i could not beleave it i thought i would never see it ever agan. Well I had won it and i was wondering if it could coverted to AM STEREO. If i rember right it had a good tuner in it. Just wondering Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Sun Apr 23 18:50:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33030 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2006 01:49:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2006 01:49:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-MTAout6.csiro.au) (150.229.64.43) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2006 01:49:21 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.56]) by vic-MTAout6.csiro.au with ESMTP; 24 Apr 2006 11:49:20 +1000 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.04,150,1143986400"; d="scan'208,217"; a="76153710:sNHT51704084" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:49:19 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:49:19 +1000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Fwd: [mwoz] 1278 3AW Thread-Index: AcZnMrmMYpd9HOCjR0+9VecY2sjgkAADhPng To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2006 01:49:19.0619 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D6D6D30:01C66741] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.64.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Fwd: [mwoz] 1278 3AW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=Q7BVCuygux20uZpBNboZJ3L1W1zKrNu0hO3BRmQWQrYa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Michael and Ross Got this off an MW site Note: forwarded message attached. Michael&Ross G'day Michael So did I. Here's the message ... It's a bit slack about Magic and stereo. It's not as if they haven't had time to plan things better. Ian Hi Geoff, Todd & Dave I can now definitely verify that 3EE & 3AW will switch frequencies on Monday 1/5/06. So, there is only one week left to record them on their current frequencies. I phoned both 3EE and 3MP in an effort to possibly restore AM Stereo. There is good and bad news with this, so I was partly successful. 3EE: I was told by the Tech that the AM Stereo will be restored sometime in the future, after they are moved to 1278 kHz and the stereo exciter had been switched off due to the planned frequency change. They couldn't give me a date of when the AM Stereo would return, but guaranteed that it will be definitely coming back. I told them that it would give them a double advantage as 3AW would compete with 3LO and 3EE would compete with 3MP and would end up scooping the higher ratings on both frequencies. (What I will do to try to get back AM Stereo!!!) 3MP: I was told by the tech that they have no future plans of restoring AM Stereo. They say it costs them $50,000 a year and it is not worth their effort due to their limited audience. They say it is a technology well past its use by date (I don't agree with that opinion at all personally). The frequency change of 3EE/3AW will occur at 7.15am on Monday 1/5/06. 3AW will suddenly transmit on both 693 & 1278 kHz between 7.15 & 10.00am that morning, then 3EE will commence on 1278 kHz after that. Anyway, that's all the news to date. Until next time Regards Robert [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Apr 23 19:14:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38919 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2006 02:14:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2006 02:14:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2006 02:14:13 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-199-68.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.55.199.68] helo=PossumHunter) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FXqaZ-00063H-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:14:11 -0400 Message-ID: <054f01c66744$c0d15860$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:14:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fwd: [mwoz] 1278 3AW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=B1YIxCqxJj7PD0EsuMzqgPjiuCTvynZQ3TT3zAuCJT1g7cv1uhyN9GZ09irnpg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Ian.Davidson@csiro.au wrote: > They say it costs them $50,000 a year and it is not worth their effort due > to their limited audience. Gee gads! What does a 10KC equalized broadcast quality phone line cost there? Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From starship_2001@msn.com Mon Apr 24 05:02:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99826 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2006 12:02:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2006 12:02:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.74) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2006 12:02:31 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 05:02:30 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.5 by BAY106-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:02:26 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:02:26 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2006 12:02:30.0677 (UTC) FILETIME=[F69B5C50:01C66796] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: more HD 2 channels coming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=cbCtaZIwGlLYb2xgBO0YqaleDe11_OZRnkS-WgrOeuhl2vJvqIOL5YmHNQ X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heres some reading to do next time you go buy ga$ for you car. In other words this is a very bad time to try and shove HD radios down the publics throat. BEGIN COPY--------------------> From: Radio World Newsbytes Subject: Breaking News: HD2 Channels Coming to 22 More Markets Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 03:23:32 -0700 ================================================= RW NewsBytes BREAKING NEWS Brought to you by: Radio World, The Newspaper for Radio Managers and Engineers ================================================== Note: Unsubscribe and address change instructions are at the bottom of this email. ================================================== Breaking News: HD2 Channels Coming to 22 More Markets HD-R Alliance Accelerates HD2 Rollout of Top 100 Markets By Leslie Stimson The member stations of the HD Digital Radio Alliance are rolling out HD2 channels in an additional 22 markets, bringing the total number of markets in which stations are multicasting their digital signal to 50 markets. This is the second wave of multicast formats to be announced; the first 25 markets were unveiled earlier this year. HD2 multicasts will now be available in 50 markets (including 42 of the top 50) -- more than six months ahead of schedule, says the alliance. The number of new radio stations created under the initiative now tops 450. Alliance members are preparing individual HD2 channel launches in each market. Members select the formats in an organized process for each market. The HD2 channels are initially commercial-free. Alliance members have created more formats to add to their HD2 lineup, including Eclectic Chill-Out, Christian Contemporary, Cafe Jazz & Blues, Mash-Up and Outlaw Country. "One of the most exciting things about HD Radio is the ability to offer innovative new content customized for each individual local market," said Peter Ferrara, President and CEO of the HD Digital Radio Alliance. "Unlike any other audio entertainment source, radio is all about serving the local community and these new HD2 channels will do just that." The next 22 markets are: Rank - Location 15 - Phoenix, AZ 16 - Minneapolis, MN 17 - San Diego, CA 18 - Nassau-Suffolk, NY 19 - St. Louis, MO 21 - Tampa, FL 22 - Denver, CO 23 - Pittsburgh, PA 25 - Cleveland, OH 26 - Sacramento, CA 28 - Riverside, CA 29 - Kansas City MO-KS 30 - San Antonio, TX 31 - Salt Lake City, UT 32 - Milwaukee, WI 34 - Providence, RI 35 - Columbus, OH 36 - Charlotte, NC 37 - Middlesex-Union-Somerset, NJ 38 - Las Vegas, NV 39 - Orlando, FL 40 - Norfolk, VA HD digital radio receivers are currently manufactured by more than 15 companies and more than 20 Asia-based manufacturers have HD Digital Radio receivers in development, according to iBiquity Digital. Broadcast groups formed the alliance late last year to accelerate the digital radio rollout. Members include major radio groups and independent station owners: ABC Radio (in Los Angeles and Minneapolis), Beasley Broadcast Group, Bonneville International, CBS Radio, Citadel Broadcasting, Clear Channel Radio, Cumulus, Emmis Communications, Entercom, Greater Media, and Susquehanna and independent owner Jerry Lee with WBEB Philadelphia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Mon Apr 24 06:33:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44271 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2006 13:33:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2006 13:33:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm01.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.32) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2006 13:32:52 -0000 Received: from pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (pimout1-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.65]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3ODV2ag002389 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:31:02 -0400 X-ORBL: [66.72.39.57] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-66-72-39-57.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [66.72.39.57]) by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3ODV4TH015562 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:31:04 -0400 Message-ID: <002b01c667a3$562dcc50$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <054f01c66744$c0d15860$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:31:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0616-4, 04/21/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fwd: [mwoz] 1278 3AW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=YSP8J0E9aNrjZddsd61lzDQgXn6gJ00REZrFC-mRH6UhXU4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > > Gee gads! What does a 10KC equalized broadcast quality phone line cost > there? We pay about $30 a month for one. We have an aural STL, but we have a Marti receiver and satellite dish/receiver for the Colts located at one of our TX sites, so we use the 10KHz loop to get that audio back to the station. It cost several hundred dollars to set it up, but the monthly cost is hardly anything. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Apr 24 18:06:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3074 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2006 01:06:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2006 01:06:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.80) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2006 01:06:47 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:06:47 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.48 by BAY106-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 01:06:44 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 01:06:43 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2006 01:06:47.0540 (UTC) FILETIME=[86AED340:01C66804] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.80 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} more HD 2 channels coming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=AdTg4uudIoWhBfDNdPbcFpuv3Y3LwvyT0q2GuU_DZvkEtAeLd4JCb0_Jk00 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You overlook the fact, that with an HD (High Dollar) radio people will have another option when going to the pawn shop,as what to pawn, when trying to get enough money to fill your tank. Also, if you live very far (more than approximately 15 - 20 miles from most fm stations, you will need an external or outdoor antenna to receive the HD2 weaker signal); so your external fm antenna is another option to pawn to fill up your tank, to get to work to earn more money to buy more gas. (along with necessary pawnings). It will be a better option to pawn the High Dollar radio or an antenna than a wedding ring or a family heirloom. :) It goes without saying that any oil industry executives, oil families/dynasties or Oil CEO's won't need to worry about any of the above. Donn, walking to Publix at least once a week for groceries (don't have to worry about finding a parking space, just a heat stroke, if I leave home after 7am). :) -----Original Message----- From: Norbert 26 Sent: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 05:02:26 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} more HD 2 channels coming Heres some reading to do next time you go buy ga$ for you car. In other words this is a very bad time to try and shove HD radios down the publics throat. BEGIN COPY--------------------> From: Radio World Newsbytes Subject: Breaking News: HD2 Channels Coming to 22 More Markets Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 03:23:32 -0700 ================================================= RW NewsBytes BREAKING NEWS Brought to you by: Radio World, The Newspaper for Radio Managers and Engineers ================================================== Note: Unsubscribe and address change instructions are at the bottom of this email. ================================================== Breaking News: HD2 Channels Coming to 22 More Markets HD-R Alliance Accelerates HD2 Rollout of Top 100 Markets By Leslie Stimson The member stations of the HD Digital Radio Alliance are rolling out HD2 channels in an additional 22 markets, bringing the total number of markets in which stations are multicasting their digital signal to 50 markets. This is the second wave of multicast formats to be announced; the first 25 markets were unveiled earlier this year. HD2 multicasts will now be available in 50 markets (including 42 of the top 50) -- more than six months ahead of schedule, says the alliance. The number of new radio stations created under the initiative now tops 450. Alliance members are preparing individual HD2 channel launches in each market. Members select the formats in an organized process for each market. The HD2 channels are initially commercial-free. Alliance members have created more formats to add to their HD2 lineup, including Eclectic Chill-Out, Christian Contemporary, Cafe Jazz & Blues, Mash-Up and Outlaw Country. "One of the most exciting things about HD Radio is the ability to offer innovative new content customized for each individual local market," said Peter Ferrara, President and CEO of the HD Digital Radio Alliance. "Unlike any other audio entertainment source, radio is all about serving the local community and these new HD2 channels will do just that." The next 22 markets are: Rank - Location 15 - Phoenix, AZ 16 - Minneapolis, MN 17 - San Diego, CA 18 - Nassau-Suffolk, NY 19 - St. Louis, MO 21 - Tampa, FL 22 - Denver, CO 23 - Pittsburgh, PA 25 - Cleveland, OH 26 - Sacramento, CA 28 - Riverside, CA 29 - Kansas City MO-KS 30 - San Antonio, TX 31 - Salt Lake City, UT 32 - Milwaukee, WI 34 - Providence, RI 35 - Columbus, OH 36 - Charlotte, NC 37 - Middlesex-Union-Somerset, NJ 38 - Las Vegas, NV 39 - Orlando, FL 40 - Norfolk, VA HD digital radio receivers are currently manufactured by more than 15 companies and more than 20 Asia-based manufacturers have HD Digital Radio receivers in development, according to iBiquity Digital. Broadcast groups formed the alliance late last year to accelerate the digital radio rollout. Members include major radio groups and independent station owners: ABC Radio (in Los Angeles and Minneapolis), Beasley Broadcast Group, Bonneville International, CBS Radio, Citadel Broadcasting, Clear Channel Radio, Cumulus, Emmis Communications, Entercom, Greater Media, and Susquehanna and independent owner Jerry Lee with WBEB Philadelphia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Mon Apr 24 18:58:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18320 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2006 01:58:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2006 01:58:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2006 01:58:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2006 01:58:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2006 01:58:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 01:58:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.244.54.18 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: more HD 2 channels coming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=nArF81i1o5GIdpxz6tXunuOSTac3GrTq7-tIfkQyvr39qZ44 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman"=20 wrote: > =20 >=20 > Also, if you live very far (more than approximately 15 - 20 miles=20 from most fm stations, you will need an external or outdoor antenna=20 to receive the HD2 weaker signal);=20 Misinformation. There is no power difference of the HD2=20 channel...it is part of the same data stream as the HD1 channel.=20=20 The only difference is that the data stream is partitioned so that=20 HD1 takes up part of it, and HD2 takes up another part.=20=20 If the transmission system is operating correctly, you should get=20 about 45-50 miles on HD coverage from a Class B station, dependent=20 upon terrain...and that's HD1 or HD2 (or HD3). Tom Ray WOR From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Mon Apr 24 19:26:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95201 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2006 02:26:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2006 02:26:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2006 02:26:46 -0000 Received: from [4.247.120.212] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FYDGH-0000EY-6Z for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:26:46 -0400 Message-ID: <380-22006422522656796@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.116.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:26:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc71eae721cc498d903e014e7d6c8004b6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: more HD 2 channels coming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=VGnU3bZ8KQUukL_GTr8bduiMA7tdYD-u1RbC414VR8wJzg I was under the impression that the analog signal gets progressively weaker, but at some point the digital signal just quits. Is this understanding incorrect? Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Tom Ray > To: > Date: 4/24/2006 9:58:41 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: more HD 2 channels coming > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman" > wrote: > > > > > > > Also, if you live very far (more than approximately 15 - 20 miles > from most fm stations, you will need an external or outdoor antenna > to receive the HD2 weaker signal); > > Misinformation. There is no power difference of the HD2 > channel...it is part of the same data stream as the HD1 channel. > The only difference is that the data stream is partitioned so that > HD1 takes up part of it, and HD2 takes up another part. > > If the transmission system is operating correctly, you should get > about 45-50 miles on HD coverage from a Class B station, dependent > upon terrain...and that's HD1 or HD2 (or HD3). > > Tom Ray > WOR > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Apr 24 23:37:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22685 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2006 06:37:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2006 06:37:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.80) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2006 06:37:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:36:55 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.43 by BAY106-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:36:54 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:36:54 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2006 06:36:55.0335 (UTC) FILETIME=[A50C7B70:01C66832] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.80 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: more HD 2 channels coming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=IwZHcqk5CETgwczN1AZNfp5ziByUhVRKScAG5LC3yds0K_StgvzD9Igupvw X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Ray wrote: "Misinformation. There is no power difference of the HD2 channel...it is part of the same data stream as the HD1 channel. The only difference is that the data stream is partitioned so that HD1 takes up part of it, and HD2 takes up another part. ........" Thanks for the clarification, Tom. I will try to find and quote the website that I got this information from, so that you can rebut any other misinformation on the website. I just didn't make this up; the website said something to the effect that a 100,000 watt stations, HD2 had the equivalent of a 25,000 effective radiated watt signal and therefore suggested an external antenna, it in particular was critical of the Boston Acoustic HD radio and the antenna that came with the radio. The website went on to state that if you were in a large city or within 15-20 miles of an antenna farm, the HD radios worked fine on the fm band, but if you lived, lets say in Monticello, NY, Philadelphia,NY ,Lake Lure,NC, Arcadia, FL, Marysville,OH, Waycross,GA etc, you would have real problems with the HD2 signals. My question is, if a station is 100,000 and has an HD2 signal are they both equal reception wise and if so, would they both be 100,000 watts, or is that split and if split, what is the ratio? Of course, the point of the original post was that with the cost of HD radios (even after recent price rollbacks) is that with people struggling just to buy gasoline to get to and from work, it's not the best of times to marketing expensive new items (whether it be radios or HDTV or hummers) to the shrinking middle class. That doesn't mean the products are inferior (or superior), it just means that less and less households are in a position to buy these new products, unless they are willing to go into debt. Donn 27.761 latitude north -----Original Message----- From: Tom Ray Sent: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:58:39 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: more HD 2 channels coming --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman" wrote: > > > Also, if you live very far (more than approximately 15 - 20 miles from most fm stations, you will need an external or outdoor antenna to receive the HD2 weaker signal); Misinformation. There is no power difference of the HD2 channel...it is part of the same data stream as the HD1 channel. The only difference is that the data stream is partitioned so that HD1 takes up part of it, and HD2 takes up another part. If the transmission system is operating correctly, you should get about 45-50 miles on HD coverage from a Class B station, dependent upon terrain...and that's HD1 or HD2 (or HD3). Tom Ray WOR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Apr 25 00:09:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38451 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2006 07:09:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2006 07:09:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2006 07:09:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:09:15 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.43 by BAY106-DAV20.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:09:13 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:09:13 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2006 07:09:15.0703 (UTC) FILETIME=[29992470:01C66837] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Boston Acoustics - Home Products X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=JziJzYviNUuDtjreXd8rc0Ec4sWtVaIgavQFN5pPqp3PZWxtk9BMWp1CqvU X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually, as recently as a month or so ago, I was thinking of getting the B= oston Acoustic radio, but upon reading reviews and even seeing some of the = convoluted instructions on their own website, convinced me, that I will wai= t, until this technology does some fine tuning, as well as some of the info= rmation/misinformation clarified. Upon going to websites I recall visiting the last few days on HD (remember,= the HD does not actually stand for High Definition) and did come upon fm reception tips for good fm reception on the Boston Aco= ustic Recepter Radio: To ensure good FM Reception The antenna wire shipped attached to the radio usually receives best (signa= l?) when positioned upright and near the window. (sounds similar to positio= ning the antenna for satellite radio) For Better FM Reception Connect the dipole antenna- included' to improve FM reception. It is best = to experiment with the positioning of the antenna, but usually the dipole w= orks best when the upper part of the T is located high and parallel to the = ceiling. Tithe dipole is directional and reception will be best in the dir= ection perpendicular to the the arms of the T. 1. Remove the attached antenna from the coaxial terminal marked FM arena 75= =C2=AC 2. Push the Dipole antenna connector onto the coaxial terminal 3. Straighten out the antenna to its full length and attach to the wall. NOTE: In all above cases make sure the antenna is placed away from electron= ics that may cause interference with the signal. http://www.bostonacoustics.com/home_product.aspx?category_id=3D34&product_i= d=3D325 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From starship_2001@msn.com Tue Apr 25 02:51:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28442 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2006 09:51:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2006 09:51:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.95) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2006 09:51:41 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:51:40 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.3 by BAY106-DAV23.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:51:36 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:51:36 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2006 09:51:40.0660 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA0B9340:01C6684D] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.95 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: WZLX to transmit 5:1 HD surround X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=j5kk7_4HaggYetjaJhc0Dmr1I08lJuF6jcbDp1Vxn9OF1XQ4awLTcFwTIg X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is in my market can get WZLX analog signal but i am not sure about a HD signal as reception of analog is shaky. BEGIN COPY------------------------------> From: Radio World Newsbytes Subject: Breaking News: WZLX to Go 5.1 Surround Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:12:37 -0700 ================================================= RW NewsBytes BREAKING NEWS Brought to you by: Radio World, The Newspaper for Radio Managers and Engineers ================================================== Note: Unsubscribe and address change instructions are at the bottom of this email. ================================================== Breaking News: WZLX to Go 5.1 Surround By Leslie Stimson Telos Systems and CBS Radio said WZLX(FM), Boston would become the first station in the nation to broadcast all of their format in 5.1 surround sound using the MPEG system on its HD Radio signal. The change is expected to occur within the next 90 to 120 days. The companies hope the move will attract the attention of Boston-based receiver makers such as Boston Acoustics and Bose, as well as other stations, to get them excited about MPEG Surround sound capability, said Steve Church, chief executive officer of Telos Systems and Frank Foti, president of Omnia. "This is going to create a significant boost to radio's aural impact and will be an important motivation for consumers to buy HD Radios," said Church. The station will hold off on promoting the 5.1 surround until there are compatible MPEG Surround receivers in the market, said Church and Foti, who added MPEG has developed a reference design for receiver makers. Other stations are interested in adapting their studios and music formats to surround sound, said Foti, who added the classic rock and classical formats currently have the most music recorded in 5.1 surround. Telos/Omnia is helping WZLX convert its record library to surround and Fraunhofer is providing the MPEG Surround encoder. WZLX is a Classic Rock-formatted station. Paul Donovan, CBS Radio director of engineering Northeast, said the 5.1 surround sound would create "additional thrill and excitement for our audience." At the Telos/Omnia booth, attendees can hear a preview of what WZLX will sound like in a car and home theater setting. BMW proided two vehicles for the demo, one in the Telos/Omnia booth and the other in the 5.1 Surround Sound Pavilion where several surround sound technologies are being demonstrated. Telos/Omnia has been championing the MPEG surround sound system in the United States. Fraunhofer Coding Technologies, Philips and Agere Systems cooperated on the development of MPEG Surround technology. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Apr 25 05:50:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35059 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2006 12:50:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2006 12:50:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm29.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.60) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2006 12:50:20 -0000 Received: from pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (pimout2-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.217]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3PCnCbi028800 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:49:12 -0400 X-ORBL: [66.72.39.57] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-66-72-39-57.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [66.72.39.57]) by pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3PCnuKL137580 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:49:56 -0400 Message-ID: <001401c66866$c1a07870$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:49:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0617-1, 04/25/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.60 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: more HD 2 channels coming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=761V70RbZv8aC04H4V_OhZjN-KnADwmAFjFSQOZ0G5fYn1k X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >> >> Also, if you live very far (more than approximately 15 - 20 miles > from most fm stations, you will need an external or outdoor antenna > to receive the HD2 weaker signal); > > Misinformation. There is no power difference of the HD2 > channel...it is part of the same data stream as the HD1 channel. > The only difference is that the data stream is partitioned so that > HD1 takes up part of it, and HD2 takes up another part. > > If the transmission system is operating correctly, you should get > about 45-50 miles on HD coverage from a Class B station, dependent > upon terrain...and that's HD1 or HD2 (or HD3). Actually Tom, I found this to be true. I live 35 miles south of Indianapolis (flat miles). I recently purchased a Boston Acoustics Receptor. When it works, it sounds great. Unfortunately, the primary digital stream and the secondary stream from the strongest Indianapolis stations still aren't strong enough to allow radio to run in digital mode. The only station strong enough for me to encode the HD programming is WFBQ, which is a grandfathered Class B (their TX chain outputs 58,000 watts from an 803 foot tower, well above the 50,000 watts at 500' normal Class B License). Even then I must be outside. I can pick up the analog signal on nearly every radio I own, but the digital signal is nearly impossible to catch, even on Indiana's most powerful FM. AM is even worse. WIBC is 50,000 watts days and 10,000 watts nights. Both day and night facilities are directional (DA2). There are many parts in Indianapolis where my Boston Acoustics can't get enough signal to decode the HD stream, even though the analog signal is decent (not great, but decent). Our only other 'strong" AM is WOWO, which is 50KW days, 10 KW nights DAN. I don't think they are b'casting in HD yet, but it doesn't matter, Due to poor ground conductivity their daytime groundwave is ragged at best, and unavailable at night (thanks to a weak FCC and a couple of corrupt officials, Indiana lost it's only Class A Clear Channel... but that's another thread). Then there are the regular class B AM's... many with 5KW days/1 KW nights DA2. These stations don't have a chance at covering their city grade coverage map with the digital signal. I understand Tom's enthusiasm for IBOC as he's sitting there on a 50,000 watt AM flamethrower, so they will survive, but their secondary listening area will be wiped out when HD radio rolls out on a large scale, thus 1 st adjacents on 700KC and 720 KC fire up their band saws. There's just something wrong with all of this... -Jim- From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Apr 25 05:56:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62916 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2006 12:56:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2006 12:56:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.65) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2006 12:56:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 54655 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Apr 2006 12:54:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20060425125454.54653.qmail@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.5.219.153] by web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:54:54 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:54:54 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: more HD 2 channels coming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=-mm-nhDFSWlmxLBTCCkNCbHGyyQJyoRNIL-nnoXFXhg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Donn Tillman wrote: > My question is, if a station is 100,000 and has an > HD2 signal are they both equal reception wise and if > so, would they both be 100,000 watts, or is that > split and if split, what is the ratio? NO. And the current thinking now that for *FM* band IBOC the power needs to be doubled to get decent range and coverage. This is from the "big folks" with a lot of installs. Not really hard to do. As for the Receptor, the wire antenna is a POS. It doesn't work well on the regular Receptor, but a good antenna the FM sparkles. As for AM, I sent them and email early on telling them they need to beef up the AM and use the LARGEST ferrite bar they could get in it. OBVIOUSLY they did NOT. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Apr 25 06:00:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76114 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2006 12:59:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2006 12:59:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2006 12:59:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 85179 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Apr 2006 12:59:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20060425125902.85177.qmail@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.5.219.153] by web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:59:02 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:59:02 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001401c66866$c1a07870$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: more HD 2 channels coming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=d9YiIVAkQyqYNrMZ1yrj43_Iu4ST_YKwIJp_FxnZVq4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Jim Burgan wrote: > AM is even worse. WIBC is 50,000 watts days and > 10,000 watts nights. Both > day and night facilities are directional (DA2). > There are many parts in Indianapolis where my Boston > Acoustics can't get > enough signal to decode the HD stream, even though > the analog signal is > decent (not great, but decent). Our only other > 'strong" AM is WOWO, which > is 50KW days, 10 KW nights DAN. I don't think they > are b'casting in HD yet, > but it doesn't matter, Due to poor ground > conductivity their daytime > groundwave is ragged at best, and unavailable at > night (thanks to a weak FCC > and a couple of corrupt officials, Indiana lost it's > only Class A Clear > Channel... but that's another thread). Then there > are the regular class B > AM's... many with 5KW days/1 KW nights DA2. These > stations don't have a > chance at covering their city grade coverage map > with the digital signal. > I understand Tom's enthusiasm for IBOC as he's > sitting there on a 50,000 > watt AM flamethrower, so they will survive, but > their secondary listening > area will be wiped out when HD radio rolls out on a > large scale, thus 1 st > adjacents on 700KC and 720 KC fire up their band > saws. > There's just something wrong with all of this... > -Jim- WOWO is running IBOC. Your ground conductivity is not poor. WOWO is in a very good area ( a boot of high conductivity) and Indianapolis a fair bit less. If you want to see really poor conductivity come see NYC or Atlanta ( pretty close to 0 with Stone Mountain's granite causing a best case of a rated 0.5) and the sand here in SC. It says 2 but it's been tested as around .1. With WIBC's night power being aimed my way light a flashlight beam, I probably get a better night signal ( QRM'ed as it may be) than most of the city of license.... Powell Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Apr 25 06:35:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38381 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2006 13:35:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2006 13:35:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm29.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.60) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2006 13:35:05 -0000 Received: from pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (pimout3-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.218]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3PDXUbi011209 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:33:30 -0400 X-ORBL: [66.72.39.57] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-66-72-39-57.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [66.72.39.57]) by pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3PDYFHZ108170 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:34:15 -0400 Message-ID: <005e01c6686c$f225ad70$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <20060425125902.85177.qmail@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:34:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0617-1, 04/25/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: more HD 2 channels coming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=T6YoTK648HkBzwDDYrkE1KABadyBbgkzm4PfVr2cssT4PMk X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > WOWO is running IBOC. Your ground conductivity is not > poor. WOWO is in a very good area ( a boot of high > conductivity) and Indianapolis a fair bit less. If you > want to see really poor conductivity come see NYC or > Atlanta ( pretty close to 0 with Stone Mountain's > granite causing a best case of a rated 0.5) and the > sand here in SC. It says 2 but it's been tested as > around .1. > > With WIBC's night power being aimed my way light a > flashlight beam, I probably get a better night signal > ( QRM'ed as it may be) than most of the city of I know WIBC's night pattern is like a flashlight shining due southeast, down I-74 into downtown Cincinnati. But if you are 1 mile north of their 6 tower array, you can't pick then up at all, even though you are within sight of their towers. As for WOWO, they never did put much of signal into South Central Indiana. Even when they were a full class A. We are too far apart to get a strong or acceptable groundwave (which wasn't/isn't nearly as strong as WLW's or WHAS's, thus I blamed ground conductivity), and we're too close for skywave... in fact I believe we are on the edge of the contour when groundwave and skywave interact to cause canceling. I remember WOWO's legendary night time signal before the downgrade, people all over the southeast listened. WOWO would be the #1 station at night Manchester Tennessee, but I digress. There are no AM stations anywhere around that will allow my Boston Acoustics Receptor to receive an AM digital signal. None. I had to visit my brother in Indianapolis, taking my Boston Acoustics Receptor with me in order to head HD AM. It was Rush Limbaugh and it didn't sound any different on WIBC in HD than it did on our 500 watt analog daytimer in my home town. Perhaps the sensitivity of the Boston Acoustics Receptor has issues. I hope so because if all IBOC receivers are this touchy... there's more trouble down the road for radio. From starship_2001@msn.com Tue Apr 25 06:37:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69822 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2006 13:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2006 13:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2006 13:37:58 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:37:35 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.5 by BAY106-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:37:29 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:37:30 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2006 13:37:35.0552 (UTC) FILETIME=[6963F400:01C6686D] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: more HD 2 channels coming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=911A8hT4QzOBA3l8nMqP42P0Bg0LoQNIYaUy2Kg152bIRuaN1dfgyMJ75g X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As far as AM goes IN THE HOUSE where i do my listening i can get good AM on my GE SR 2 and on lesser portables as well. with a decent AM antenna i might be able to decode a strong HD signal (i SHOULD be able to decode both locals 630 WPRO and 920 WHJJ.) i get a fair to good WOR 710 analog signal but decoding HD is most likely not possible. FM reception here is a horse of a different color. The major local FMs are right across the water. I should be able to decode WWBB 101.5 HD and other locals when they go HD. Now the tricky part is boston. Boston is about 40 miles or so in a straight line. Getting boston analog is a little tricky even on the GE SR 2 . If you aim the radio or antenna the wrong way you are subject to front end overload from the locals across the water. The two big troublemakers are WHJY 94.1 and WWLI 105.1 . i have image problems with these two even on good radios even good car radios in some areas. So lets assume all my locals go HD. i expect to receive / decode these: AM: 550 WDZZ (MAYBE FAIR ANALOG SIGNAL WEAK AT NIGHT) 630 WPRO 790 FORMER WEAN YEARS BACK 920 WHJJ 1290 (FORGOT CALLS OLD WICE AT ONE TIME IN HISTORY) 1590 (FORGOT CALLS BIBLE THUMPER) FM: 92.3 WPRO 94.1 WHJY 95.5 WBRU 101.5 WWBB 103.7 OLD CALLS WERI YEARS BACK (MAYBE) 105.1 WWLI 106.3 WWKX MAYBE ANALOG IS IFFY i do not expect to be able to decode boston 40 miles away without a huge antenna on the roof which is not feasable. on the other hand for XM i just take the little antenna and aim south even in a window sill and i'm all set. please compare the 170 XM channels to the 6 or 7 HD 2 channels would possibly gain on HD 2 . ( the HD 1 channels are available as analog that i can receive on existing radios). If they go out to HD 3 i may get 12 to 14 new "channels" . At this moment is a HD radio worth it to me ??? no HOWEVER if they can get them into walmart or the like at cost reason then i would consider a portable when they can produce a portable but its GOT to WORK indoors. -----Original Message----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW Sent: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:54:54 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: more HD 2 channels coming --- Donn Tillman wrote: > My question is, if a station is 100,000 and has an > HD2 signal are they both equal reception wise and if > so, would they both be 100,000 watts, or is that > split and if split, what is the ratio? NO. And the current thinking now that for *FM* band IBOC the power needs to be doubled to get decent range and coverage. This is from the "big folks" with a lot of installs. Not really hard to do. As for the Receptor, the wire antenna is a POS. It doesn't work well on the regular Receptor, but a good antenna the FM sparkles. As for AM, I sent them and email early on telling them they need to beef up the AM and use the LARGEST ferrite bar they could get in it. OBVIOUSLY they did NOT. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Tue Apr 25 08:57:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46804 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2006 15:57:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2006 15:57:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2006 15:57:20 -0000 Received: from [4.247.121.225] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FYPuM-0008AL-Re for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:56:59 -0400 Message-ID: <380-220064225155726515@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.116.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:57:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcb11ed02d92fb42b6be30f987df0f07b6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: more HD 2 channels coming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=xuhLd43FV0fQIANtOFkN5oYXfKhEaJMN4oNXXIFUi1B8Sg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Legendary indeed! When I was at Ft. Gordon, GA (Augusta) and later Ft. Stewart, GA (west of Savannah), WOWO always put a reliable signal in at night. It was a powerhouse! Dick W. Jim Burgan said: I remember WOWO's legendary night time signal before the downgrade, people all over the southeast listened. WOWO would be the #1 station at night Manchester Tennessee, but I digress. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Apr 25 11:28:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65221 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2006 18:28:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2006 18:28:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52014.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.97) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2006 18:28:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 20710 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Apr 2006 18:27:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20060425182725.20708.qmail@web52014.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.183.166.167] by web52014.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:27:25 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:27:25 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.97 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: JNR Subject: KBRH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=WtJW7-XqEeAwwD1LrANNVUP94SKQLItDd4-c2uXmHXmVL7tAxO0D X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I saw on a website that KBRH/1260-Baton Rouge, La. is still stereo running a classic soul format. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From badeditpro@charter.net Tue Apr 25 12:33:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81921 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2006 19:32:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2006 19:32:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf04.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.204) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2006 19:32:55 -0000 Received: from mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.146]) by mxsf04.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3PJWoLm001270 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:32:50 -0400 Received: from 24-241-13-230.dhcp.rnrp.nc.charter.com (HELO yourfd6nvjcer4) ([24.241.13.230]) by mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 25 Apr 2006 15:32:49 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.04,154,1144036800"; d="scan'208,217"; a="240727939:sNHT139655360" Message-ID: <000801c6689f$092c3a20$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:32:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.28.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: RE: HD 2 Channels X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=9U_uxt2cP11f5aHi-VtCOrDFWlJptzLLUT5QQR8K_CRGWDvyMeFPYa26qoAe X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't get this.. They are talking about running more than one channel of programming on FM HD and it seems silly to me. Two questions for anyone who is better informed than I: Where does the programming come from and what exactly is the expected cost/benefit of doing this? The average market pie is already sliced up into slivers. Also, the 96 kbps bit rate for ONE HD channel on FM HD is puny to say the least. If you split it up into two channels, what is the point of doing digital in the first place? You can't get CD quality or even good FM quality out of 96 kbps as it is and now they feel it necessary to split that up. It won't sound much better than an internet stream. IMHO, HD radio is nothing but a huge waste of the industry's money. Take some of the millions your dumping into this candy coated turd of an idea and use it to fully fund your programming departments! I think that would go a lot further to revitalize radio than HD ever will. Perplexed in the face if stupidity, Joe Collins [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 25 14:34:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87598 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2006 21:34:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2006 21:34:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.151) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2006 21:34:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n8.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2006 21:34:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2006 21:34:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2006 21:34:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:34:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.142.249.206 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: more HD 2 channels coming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=JFnDuh0qhYBN-DLNC9LiRQJwbgz4I9Y9PYHGsVEaTr2oXaWw5M_qxyitEhPTkrNipROtjiDQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Norbert 26"=20 wrote: > > As far as AM goes IN THE HOUSE where i do my listening i can get=20 good AM on my GE SR 2 and on lesser portables as well.=20 > with a decent AM antenna i might be able to decode a strong HD=20 signal (i SHOULD be able to decode both locals 630 WPRO and 920 WHJJ.) > i get a fair to good WOR 710 analog signal but decoding HD is most=20 likely not possible. > FM reception here is a horse of a different color. The major local=20 FMs are right across the water. I should be able to decode WWBB 101.5=20 HD and other locals when they go HD. Now the tricky part is boston.=20 Boston is about 40 miles or so in a straight line. Getting boston=20 analog is a little tricky even on the GE SR 2 . If you aim the radio=20 or antenna the wrong way you are subject to front end overload from=20 the locals across the water. The two big troublemakers are WHJY 94.1=20 and WWLI 105.1 . i have image problems with these two even on good=20 radios even good car radios in some areas. So lets assume all my=20 locals go HD. i expect to receive / decode these: > AM: > 550 WDZZ (MAYBE FAIR ANALOG SIGNAL WEAK AT NIGHT) > 630 WPRO > 790 FORMER WEAN YEARS BACK > 920 WHJJ > 1290 (FORGOT CALLS OLD WICE AT ONE TIME IN HISTORY) > 1590 (FORGOT CALLS BIBLE THUMPER) > FM: > 92.3 WPRO > 94.1 WHJY > 95.5 WBRU > 101.5 WWBB > 103.7 OLD CALLS WERI YEARS BACK (MAYBE) > 105.1 WWLI > 106.3 WWKX MAYBE ANALOG IS IFFY > i do not expect to be able to decode boston 40 miles away without a=20 huge antenna on the roof which is not feasable.=20 > on the other hand for XM i just take the little antenna and aim=20 south even in a window sill and i'm all set. please compare the 170=20 XM channels to the 6 or 7 HD 2 channels would possibly gain on HD 2 .=20 ( the HD 1 channels are available as analog that i can receive on=20 existing radios). If they go out to HD 3 i may get 12 to 14=20 new "channels" .=20 > At this moment is a HD radio worth it to me ??? no HOWEVER if they=20 can get them into walmart or the like at cost reason then i would=20 consider a portable when they can produce a portable but its GOT to=20 WORK indoors.=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW > Sent: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:54:54 -0700 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: more HD 2 channels coming >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Donn Tillman wrote: >=20 > > My question is, if a station is 100,000 and has an > > HD2 signal are they both equal reception wise and if > > so, would they both be 100,000 watts, or is that > > split and if split, what is the ratio? >=20 >=20 > NO. And the current thinking now that for *FM* band > IBOC the power needs to be doubled to get decent range > and coverage. This is from the "big folks" with a lot > of installs. Not really hard to do.=20 >=20 >=20 > As for the Receptor, the wire antenna is a POS. It > doesn't work well on the regular Receptor, but a good > antenna the FM sparkles. As for AM, I sent them and > email early on telling them they need to beef up the > AM and use the LARGEST ferrite bar they could get in > it. OBVIOUSLY they did NOT. >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > w4opw@... > NNNN! >=20 >=20 >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > Yahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Gang Well you guys ansured my question for me. I guess AM IBOC in=20 the mountions is out where analog AM radio works the best. So That=20 means that AM HD will be just like FM analog is in the mountion pore=20 to not at all. Jim Smith From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue Apr 25 17:48:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+rxPT+34+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11727 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 00:48:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 00:48:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 00:48:29 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.167]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 72965366 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:48:27 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b901c668cb$54a9c5e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <000601c6673c$468e7e00$d50bfea9@jim1db32qamp61> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:49:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.212.167 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Pioneer SK-51 Am Fm Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=k1GoMcYc6V9FgwjCwrm6XPG86uRf25Ac07qRkbsl6Xo6zl1xLqIy X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I can't give you a definite yes without looking at the schematic, but most boom boxes of that era were still using diode detectors on AM so I think the chances are pretty good that it can. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: > Hi Gang Dose any one know when The Pioneer SK 51 AM FM Stereo Cassette boom box was made? I hand one used untill about 1984. I had liked it very much and i had found one on ebay i could not beleave it i thought i would never see it ever agan. Well I had won it and i was wondering if it could coverted to AM STEREO. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue Apr 25 17:56:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+rxPT+34+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74403 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 00:56:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 00:56:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 00:56:11 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.167]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 73419859 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:56:09 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c101c668cc$68497720$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <054f01c66744$c0d15860$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:57:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.212.167 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fwd: [mwoz] 1278 3AW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=SCowgeIn8ilXIwWDhM2SGN2g5YRdHJD2thrKNWUVTbjPIWle4N29 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Wow! that is high. We pay just a tad more than that for a point to point T-1 line here in MSP. You're getting ripped off down under. In other news, I'm going to be climbing one of the towers at WWTC tomorrow to see how high up I have to be to get a good shot at the dontown Minneapolis skyline. Assuming a good view, I'm going to start pushing for a digital RF STL with more data capacity than our current T-1. I can already see the skyline from a short tower in back of our studio building and if I can see it from the transmitter site, I'll bounce a signal off the buildings. When I told someone at the Moseley (STL mfr.) booth at the Madison Broadcasters Clinic last fall what I planned to do, they thought I was nuts. They'd never heard of it being done. I told them that hams do it all the time, so why not? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > Ian.Davidson@csiro.au wrote: > > They say it costs them $50,000 a year and it is not worth their effort due > > to their limited audience. > > Gee gads! What does a 10KC equalized broadcast quality phone line cost > there? From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue Apr 25 18:05:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+rxPT+34+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26864 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 01:05:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 01:05:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 01:04:52 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.167]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 70808976 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:03:05 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00cf01c668cd$600bac80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:04:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.212.167 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} more HD 2 channels coming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=cYWhio3c2o97c25Nx5lOakq0Q0h8164ZTExIKb4pchkL6xkU3Mfu X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I know my old employer, Northwestern College Radio, is planning on putting HD on KTIS-FM. They'll actually be doing three streams- the main, a second channel for the people who miss the older music, and a third for a college-age audience. Split three ways I can't see how any of it will sound very good. Even in analog songs like "These Thousand Hills" by Third Day are nearly unlistenable. The cymbals sound like breaking glass. Fortunately they've got enough sense not to try it on their AM side. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norbert 26" > > From: Radio World Newsbytes > Subject: Breaking News: HD2 Channels Coming to 22 More Markets > Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 03:23:32 -0700 > > Breaking News: > > HD2 Channels Coming to 22 More Markets > > > > The next 22 markets are: > > Rank - Location > > 15 - Phoenix, AZ > 16 - Minneapolis, MN > 17 - San Diego, CA > 18 - Nassau-Suffolk, NY > 19 - St. Louis, MO From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Apr 25 18:12:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64015 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 01:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 01:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 01:12:38 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-72-16.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.51.72.16] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FYYa5-0005KT-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:12:37 -0400 Message-ID: <019301c668ce$812ba270$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <380-220064225155726515@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:12:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: more HD 2 channels coming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=h5CM_JA4yELybS0-qngy1EDTwzetuaPXaatSDYfzKnEKuE6GqjLefoUogzBc1g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Jim Burgan said: > I remember WOWO's legendary night time signal before the downgrade, people > all over the southeast listened. When I worked the graveyard shift, I would listen to Jazz McKay on WWWE then flip to Chris Underwood in Stereo all night on WOWO. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue Apr 25 18:19:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+rxPT+34+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79266 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 01:13:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 01:13:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 01:13:45 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.167]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 73641041 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:12:52 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d301c668ce$bdda7480$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:14:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.212.167 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: more HD 2 channels coming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=U5oy5FWlnf-urMHioO0-e0muaG-nSc1Uu7ZnIaq4RJqCPNy4i0B6 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The digital signal is something like 1% of the analog, so it isn't your imagination that radios have a hard time picking it up. As far as the number of streams goes, that has absolutely NOTHING to do with how well it will be received. There's the same number of bits whether you're transmitting one stream or several. If more than one it comes down to bit allocation per stream. The digital and analog signals are usually produced by two separate transmitters. Continental and Harris both have transmitters with common D&A amplification now, but it requires two separate exciters. The digital signal straddles the analog signal. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" > Tom Ray wrote: > > "Misinformation. There is no power difference of the HD2 > channel...it is part of the same data stream as the HD1 channel. > The only difference is that the data stream is partitioned so that > HD1 takes up part of it, and HD2 takes up another part. ........" > > Thanks for the clarification, Tom. > > I will try to find and quote the website that I got this information from, so that you can rebut any other misinformation on the website. > > I just didn't make this up; the website said something to the effect that a 100,000 watt stations, HD2 had the equivalent of a 25,000 effective radiated watt signal and therefore suggested an external antenna, it in particular was critical of the Boston Acoustic HD radio and the antenna that came with the radio. > From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 25 18:22:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99932 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 01:22:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 01:22:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.87) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 01:22:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 01:22:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 01:22:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:22:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00b901c668cb$54a9c5e0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.87 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.142.249.206 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Pioneer SK-51 Am Fm Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=iFPQyQRJeyUqTT7_Ze5wRR4FiP1919pbSPUi9iEGiFHYCwmk_4s0D0kUyq9AZoVz5_j8G7Hu X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > I can't give you a definite yes without looking at the schematic,=20 but most > boom boxes of that era were still using diode detectors on AM so I=20 think the > chances are pretty good that it can. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: >=20 > > Hi Gang Dose any one know when The Pioneer SK 51 AM FM Stereo=20 Cassette > boom box was made? I hand one used untill about 1984. I had liked=20 it very > much and i had found one on ebay i could not beleave it i thought i=20 would > never see it ever agan. Well I had won it and i was wondering if it=20 could > coverted to AM STEREO. > Hi Scott Thats cool if so. No big hurry on it though because theres=20 no AM STEREO stations in my local area any more any way. So all i=20 would be doing it for would be sky waveing in KABC AM 790 some times.=20 Anyway that radio is just like one i had in the erly 1980's. I saw=20 that one and it brought back a lot of memerys. The one i had a bad=20 tuneing light wich kept it from decodeding fm stereo and i guess=20 tipicl of the pioneer cassettes of that time was ded . Same for the=20 new one to. And allso that is the only boom box model that the=20 speeker covers came off for cleaning. Jim Smith From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue Apr 25 18:33:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+rxPT+34+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80106 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 01:33:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 01:33:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 01:33:17 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.167]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 70810572 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:17:46 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00dd01c668cf$6ce7fe20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:19:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.212.167 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WZLX to transmit 5:1 HD surround X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=__0ES79yc27ESL6ymOR2wkRwtKLbLKtl8x1qfHzA7uriTvJ6PcRu X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Good for them! I was hoping someone would start using the MPEG surround system as it's far more faithful to channel phasing and such. There's a surround standards war and so far the Neural and one other system are way in the lead. However those systems don't work on classic rock formats, just classical and jazz. Can't remember all the particulars why, but I saw Frank Foti's demonstration last fall and those other systems played absolute havoc with classic rock. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norbert 26" > ================================================= > RW NewsBytes BREAKING NEWS > > WZLX to Go 5.1 Surround > > By Leslie Stimson > > Telos Systems and CBS Radio said WZLX(FM), Boston would > become the first station in the nation to broadcast all of > their format in 5.1 surround sound using the MPEG system on > its HD Radio signal. The change is expected to occur within > the next 90 to 120 days. > > WZLX is a Classic Rock-formatted station. > > Telos/Omnia has been championing the MPEG surround sound > system in the United States. Fraunhofer Coding Technologies, > Philips and Agere Systems cooperated on the development of > MPEG Surround technology. > From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Apr 25 19:09:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32333 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 02:09:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 02:09:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 02:09:41 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:09:39 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.42 by BAY106-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 02:09:35 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 02:09:35 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2006 02:09:39.0917 (UTC) FILETIME=[799B9FD0:01C668D6] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.87 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: more HD 2 channels coming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=-pspvl7K44Rc5taejUz9Zs8-vKwfqQsn5b7fm4mWwlA-3dUPFTtuC-xTOKg X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott Todd wrote: >The digital signal is something like 1% of >the analog, so it isn't your imagination >that radios have a hard time picking it up. Thank you for letting me know I wasn't just cherry picking negative aspects of the HD radios, Scott. I would love to see "HD" radio work on both bands and bring radio back to being live, local and listenable as it was in the 1970's and 1980's and if HD does it, so much the better, but I am reading so many reviews of HD radios that indicate people are having a hard time receiving the HD2 signals, more so than the HD1 signals. The further away from big cities or antenna farms, the more negative the review; so if one lives near an FM antenna farm and have a strong signal on any A.M. stations they would listen to, then the HD radio might be okay. Maybe in a second or third generation of HD radios, things will work out, but (and I hate to say this), but it looks as though Ibiquity jumped the gun on this and I know from Tom has said, they did a lot of testing, but either it was not enough tests or the wrong kind. I've also read somewhere, that the HD2 streams are going to be commercial free for now (I'm thinking for a two year period), so eventually the HD2 streams could be just as cluttered with commercials as the HD1 streams on most stations are now. I think the commercial free aspect for now, is a good hook to get people to buy the HD radios. Now......... if some corporation could wave a magic wand and create good programming on at least most of the stations, that would be a modern day miracle. I don't think we can count on the FCC or the NAB to make any changes to improve programming and frankly what I hear, when I listen to terrestrial radio is incredibly boring on both bands, sometimes the 16 to 18 minutes of commercials per hour are the best part of the programming. Donn latitude 27.761 north btw- I don't ever recall receiving WOWO that well, here in St Petersburg, but do recall receiving KAAY in Little Rock (1090) very well at night and now I can't pick them up most of the time, even on the GE Superadio II; I'm thinking they don't maintain their equipment, towers, transmitter etc. ---------Original Message------- From: Scott Todd Sent: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:14:14 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: more HD 2 channels coming The digital signal is something like 1% of the analog, so it isn't your imagination that radios have a hard time picking it up. ............................... ____________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Tue Apr 25 19:19:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30136 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 02:19:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 02:19:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO act-MTAout4.csiro.au) (150.229.7.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 02:19:00 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.56]) by act-MTAout4.csiro.au with ESMTP; 26 Apr 2006 12:18:57 +1000 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.04,155,1143986400"; d="scan'208,217"; a="91465789:sNHT100309272" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:18:57 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:18:57 +1000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Fwd: [mwoz] 1278 3AW Thread-Index: AcZob/K2xRnWpIAZSBKwmdME3qPpMgAZoZYQ To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2006 02:18:57.0922 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6346E20:01C668D7] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.7.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Fwd: [mwoz] 1278 3AW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=2JBOQ5OptRyq8sH7m_aw3OiwlQR67OgLfCG-Zu9UwHFT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Possum Hunter Ian.Davidson@csiro.au wrote: > They say it costs them $50,000 a year and it is not worth their effort due > to their limited audience. Gee gads! What does a 10KC equalized broadcast quality phone line cost there? The engineer at 3MP is dead against AM stereo. He's continually damned it as useless and too expensive on our newsgroup. When 3MP moved studios from Frankston (where they had line of sight probs to the antenna) to Richmond they were immediately in stereo for a few days - at no cost at all - until he turned it off. I'm sure he's never even inquired about a second phone line. Ian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bob_welch550@yahoo.com Tue Apr 25 20:08:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bob_welch550@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4488 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 03:08:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 03:08:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.208) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 03:08:01 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 03:07:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 03:07:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 03:07:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 03:07:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.163.51.133 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: WBZ-HD can't be heard in White River Jct, VT! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213592090; y=o9z0a7dJScU0FkxNPq4SiIh3P9Zlf4JrfwlMfLIaJnja0b8s84wD X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Greetings, I know I was inclined to not be the least bit interested in this HD=20 technology... However, I wanted to be impartial and give it a chance.=20=20 My parents, knowing that I'm in the radio business, got me the=20 Kenwood "boot-box" HD adaptor for the KDC-x979 which I've had in my=20 truck for a few years.=20=20 I hooked it up and tune to what is by far the most powerful radio=20 station in New England... WBZ... and you know what? I couldn't even=20 hear the signal in White River Junction, VT. It's at that point that=20 the regular WBZ has no artifacts in the signal what-so-ever. If BZ=20 was broadcasting in C-Quam... my Realistic TM-152.. tweaked by a=20 former CJAD-800-Montreal engineer... would be pulling in the stereo at=20 that point... or across half of North America at night seeing as you=20 can have the C-QuAM on at night. Bob WDEV From tomray@wor710.com Tue Apr 25 21:19:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43620 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 04:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 04:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.86) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 04:19:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 04:19:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 04:19:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 04:19:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <380-22006422522656796@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.244.16.106 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: more HD 2 channels coming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=f0sj3072ZX1vHhy0s39Fw5bmWqjGOpIcNpz0SZN9yM9jINEG X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > I was under the impression that the analog signal gets progressively > weaker, but at some point the digital signal just quits. Is this > understanding incorrect? Technically, yes. The analog signal in general gets progressively=20 weaker. This results in increased noise in the analog signal as=20 demodulated....and the digital eventually quits, as the digital signal=20 is swamped by noise. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Tue Apr 25 21:24:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41204 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 04:24:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 04:24:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.155) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 04:24:28 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n12.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 04:24:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 04:24:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 04:24:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 04:24:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.244.16.106 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: more HD 2 channels coming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=H4amqVZ-vrs8Uidveqk1jB1wLfc7yRp28vFq46vy4k-195i5 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray I'd like to see that website. While technically the HD signal is=20 separate, that power ratio is incorrect. The power difference in=20 carriers, analog to digital (I'm talking RF here) is 1:100....so if=20 the analog power level is 7500 Watts out of the transmitter, the=20 digital power (average) is 75 Watts.=20=20 That digital signal is composed of a data stream that encompasses=20 the entire transmitted RF, and is 96 kilobits. The power level of=20 that transmitted 96 kilobits is the same regardless of how it is=20 partitioned. 96 kilobits is 96 kilobits. Once that data stream is=20 demodulated, it is then decoded, and if, say, the HD1 channel is 64=20 kilobits, the HD2 channel will be 32 kilobits. But they're both=20 contained in the same 96 kilobit data stream. There is no power=20 difference between the two sub streams. Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman"=20 wrote: > > Tom Ray wrote: >=20 > "Misinformation. There is no power difference of the HD2=20 > channel...it is part of the same data stream as the HD1 channel.=20 > The only difference is that the data stream is partitioned so that=20 > HD1 takes up part of it, and HD2 takes up another part. ........" >=20 > Thanks for the clarification, Tom. >=20 > I will try to find and quote the website that I got this=20 information from, so that you can rebut any other misinformation on=20 the website. >=20 > I just didn't make this up; the website said something to the=20 effect that a 100,000 watt stations, HD2 had the equivalent of a=20 25,000 effective radiated watt signal and therefore suggested an=20 external antenna, it in particular was critical of the Boston=20 Acoustic HD radio and the antenna that came with the radio. >=20 > The website went on to state that if you were in a large city or=20 within 15-20 miles of an antenna farm, the HD radios worked fine on=20 the fm band, but if you lived, lets say in Monticello, NY,=20 Philadelphia,NY ,Lake Lure,NC, Arcadia, FL, Marysville,OH,=20 Waycross,GA etc, you would have real problems with the HD2 signals. >=20 > My question is, if a station is 100,000 and has an HD2 signal are=20 they both equal reception wise and if so, would they both be 100,000=20 watts, or is that split and if split, what is the ratio? >=20 > Of course, the point of the original post was that with the cost=20 of HD radios (even after recent price rollbacks) is that with people=20 struggling just to buy gasoline to get to and from work, it's not=20 the best of times to marketing expensive new items (whether it be=20 radios or HDTV or hummers) to the shrinking middle class. >=20 > That doesn't mean the products are inferior (or superior), it just=20 means that less and less households are in a position to buy these=20 new products, unless they are willing to go into debt. >=20 > Donn > 27.761 latitude north >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Ray > Sent: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:58:39 -0700 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Re: more HD 2 channels coming >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman"=20 > wrote: > > >=20=20 > >=20 > > Also, if you live very far (more than approximately 15 - 20=20 miles=20 > from most fm stations, you will need an external or outdoor=20 antenna=20 > to receive the HD2 weaker signal);=20 >=20 > Misinformation. There is no power difference of the HD2=20 > channel...it is part of the same data stream as the HD1 channel.=20=20 > The only difference is that the data stream is partitioned so that=20 > HD1 takes up part of it, and HD2 takes up another part.=20=20 >=20 > If the transmission system is operating correctly, you should get=20 > about 45-50 miles on HD coverage from a Class B station, dependent=20 > upon terrain...and that's HD1 or HD2 (or HD3). >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From tomray@wor710.com Tue Apr 25 21:28:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75286 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 04:28:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 04:28:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.88) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 04:28:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 04:28:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 04:28:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 04:28:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001401c66866$c1a07870$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.244.16.106 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: more HD 2 channels coming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=0T7CJNwi3R_mhi6cYp3MO7M-fcZ_KNLxXbU95_lkgaujyyU_ X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Hey Jim: The Boston Acoustics radio tends to be somewhat "hearing impared"=20 (note I'm being politically correct). This is in the RF section of=20 the radio. The digital signal, as transmit, it technically=20 equivalent to the analog coverage....I forget exactly which=20 contour. I have a Kenwood radio in my car (previously had a=20 Panasonic). The Kenwood far outperforms the Panasonic RF=20 wise....with the Panasonic, I would lose the digital AND analog=20 signals about 40 miles out of the city on FM. With the Kenwood, I=20 can hold the digital to about 50 miles out, and the analog to about=20 55 miles out, which is the performance I expect from a Class B FM=20 station. Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > >=20 >=20 > >> > >> Also, if you live very far (more than approximately 15 - 20=20 miles > > from most fm stations, you will need an external or outdoor=20 antenna > > to receive the HD2 weaker signal); > > > > Misinformation. There is no power difference of the HD2 > > channel...it is part of the same data stream as the HD1 channel. > > The only difference is that the data stream is partitioned so=20 that > > HD1 takes up part of it, and HD2 takes up another part. > > > > If the transmission system is operating correctly, you should get > > about 45-50 miles on HD coverage from a Class B station,=20 dependent > > upon terrain...and that's HD1 or HD2 (or HD3). >=20 >=20 > Actually Tom, I found this to be true. > I live 35 miles south of Indianapolis (flat miles). I recently=20 purchased a=20 > Boston Acoustics Receptor. When it works, it sounds great. > Unfortunately, the primary digital stream and the secondary stream=20 from the=20 > strongest Indianapolis stations still aren't strong enough to=20 allow radio to=20 > run in digital mode. > The only station strong enough for me to encode the HD programming=20 is WFBQ,=20 > which is a grandfathered Class B (their TX chain outputs 58,000=20 watts from=20 > an 803 foot tower, well above the 50,000 watts at 500' normal=20 Class B=20 > License). Even then I must be outside. > I can pick up the analog signal on nearly every radio I own, but=20 the digital=20 > signal is nearly impossible to catch, even on Indiana's most=20 powerful FM. > AM is even worse. WIBC is 50,000 watts days and 10,000 watts=20 nights. Both=20 > day and night facilities are directional (DA2). > There are many parts in Indianapolis where my Boston Acoustics=20 can't get=20 > enough signal to decode the HD stream, even though the analog=20 signal is=20 > decent (not great, but decent). Our only other 'strong" AM is=20 WOWO, which=20 > is 50KW days, 10 KW nights DAN. I don't think they are b'casting=20 in HD yet,=20 > but it doesn't matter, Due to poor ground conductivity their=20 daytime=20 > groundwave is ragged at best, and unavailable at night (thanks to=20 a weak FCC=20 > and a couple of corrupt officials, Indiana lost it's only Class A=20 Clear=20 > Channel... but that's another thread). Then there are the regular=20 class B=20 > AM's... many with 5KW days/1 KW nights DA2. These stations don't=20 have a=20 > chance at covering their city grade coverage map with the digital=20 signal. > I understand Tom's enthusiasm for IBOC as he's sitting there on a=20 50,000=20 > watt AM flamethrower, so they will survive, but their secondary=20 listening=20 > area will be wiped out when HD radio rolls out on a large scale,=20 thus 1 st=20 > adjacents on 700KC and 720 KC fire up their band saws. > There's just something wrong with all of this... > -Jim- > From tomray@wor710.com Tue Apr 25 21:35:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76399 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 04:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 04:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.177) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 04:35:54 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n10.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 04:35:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 04:35:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 04:35:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 04:35:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00d301c668ce$bdda7480$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.244.16.106 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: more HD 2 channels coming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=Nv53CGBil_8Th4j2McjS-iwxmr5O7QZ3g6AG7xojZUugTjHQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Harris just came out with the Flexstar exciter that will drive both=20 digital and analog transmitters at the same time...I just ordered=20 one for one of our FM's in Monterey. Using split level combining,=20 the output of the strictly analog transmitter is reduced several=20 kiloWatts, and the other transmitter makes up the remaining analog=20 power plus puts out the HD signal. Advantage is that, should one=20 transmitter trip off, you still have an analog signal on the air.=20=20 Granted, it's lower power, but you're still on the air until you can=20 respond to the issue. Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > The digital signal is something like 1% of the analog, so it isn't=20 your > imagination that radios have a hard time picking it up. As far as=20 the > number of streams goes, that has absolutely NOTHING to do with how=20 well it > will be received. There's the same number of bits whether you're > transmitting one stream or several. If more than one it comes=20 down to bit > allocation per stream. The digital and analog signals are usually=20 produced > by two separate transmitters. Continental and Harris both have=20 transmitters > with common D&A amplification now, but it requires two separate=20 exciters. > The digital signal straddles the analog signal. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Donn Tillman" >=20 >=20 > > Tom Ray wrote: > > > > "Misinformation. There is no power difference of the HD2 > > channel...it is part of the same data stream as the HD1 channel. > > The only difference is that the data stream is partitioned so=20 that > > HD1 takes up part of it, and HD2 takes up another part. ........" > > > > Thanks for the clarification, Tom. > > > > I will try to find and quote the website that I got this=20 information from, > so that you can rebut any other misinformation on the website. > > > > I just didn't make this up; the website said something to the=20 effect that > a 100,000 watt stations, HD2 had the equivalent of a 25,000=20 effective > radiated watt signal and therefore suggested an external antenna,=20 it in > particular was critical of the Boston Acoustic HD radio and the=20 antenna that > came with the radio. > > > From tomray@wor710.com Tue Apr 25 21:39:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87478 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 04:39:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 04:39:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 04:39:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 04:39:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 04:39:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 04:39:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.244.16.106 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: WBZ-HD can't be heard in White River Jct, VT! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=jDe2SPNKd5rSTHZM4xMsmJ5dIsLNFHRgzWknfmg11upaUIGe X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Actually, WBZ isn't the most powerful radio station in New=20 England...it's 50KW like several others. And if I'm not mistaken,=20 White River Junction is way up there. I wouldn't expect you to be=20 able to decode HD that far out. I bet your signal strength is below=20 1/2 milliVolt. I have held WBZ through to Westfield, MA, in HD, and have captured=20 them in HD in Hartford. With a Kenwood. You may have gotten a dud,=20 or you may want to double check your antenna connections (both at=20 the radio and at the antenna) for corrosion and tightness....as well=20 as the grounds. Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Welch" =20 wrote: > > Greetings, >=20 > I know I was inclined to not be the least bit interested in this=20 HD=20 > technology... However, I wanted to be impartial and give it a=20 chance.=20=20 > My parents, knowing that I'm in the radio business, got me the=20 > Kenwood "boot-box" HD adaptor for the KDC-x979 which I've had in=20 my=20 > truck for a few years.=20=20 >=20 > I hooked it up and tune to what is by far the most powerful radio=20 > station in New England... WBZ... and you know what? I couldn't=20 even=20 > hear the signal in White River Junction, VT. It's at that point=20 that=20 > the regular WBZ has no artifacts in the signal what-so-ever. If=20 BZ=20 > was broadcasting in C-Quam... my Realistic TM-152.. tweaked by a=20 > former CJAD-800-Montreal engineer... would be pulling in the=20 stereo at=20 > that point... or across half of North America at night seeing as=20 you=20 > can have the C-QuAM on at night. >=20 > Bob > WDEV > From 100kw@psmith.us Tue Apr 25 23:36:20 2006 Return-Path: <100kw@psmith.us> X-Sender: 100kw@psmith.us X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47068 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 06:36:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 06:36:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.204) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 06:36:15 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n13.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 06:34:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 06:34:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 06:34:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:34:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.57.46.128 From: "Philip J. Smith" <100kw@psmith.us> Subject: {AMSF} Re: more HD 2 channels coming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188651084; y=7NHdWkcN2HlhKd4Ay1pLFZxWXsUAj5p5HtoHAmW9t0lw82RqM0Xz X-Yahoo-Profile: philjsmith67 > That digital signal is composed of a data stream that encompasses=20 > the entire transmitted RF, and is 96 kilobits. The power level of=20 > that transmitted 96 kilobits is the same regardless of how it is=20 > partitioned. 96 kilobits is 96 kilobits. Once that data stream=20 is=20 > demodulated, it is then decoded, and if, say, the HD1 channel is=20 64=20 > kilobits, the HD2 channel will be 32 kilobits. But they're both=20 > contained in the same 96 kilobit data stream. There is no power=20 > difference between the two sub streams. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR I think it's just people's perception that HD2 streams=20 are "weaker." Comparing HD2 to HD1, when the HD data drops out=20 while listening to HD1, the receiver can blend back to analog, then=20 return to HD1 when possible. For HD2, there is no analog fallback,=20 so when the HD data drops out, there is silence. Perhaps this makes=20 people think HD2 doesn't go as far as HD1, which in reality is=20 untrue. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Apr 26 07:56:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94827 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 14:55:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 14:55:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.96) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 14:55:57 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 07:55:26 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.44 by BAY106-DAV24.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:55:24 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:55:25 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2006 14:55:26.0178 (UTC) FILETIME=[73B6AC20:01C66941] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.96 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: more HD 2 channels coming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=Zz2kO097stTN7ZOKW_geQeJlDLqYtAmviB4zIe9U0E3yIDTGQ_Ugf8iB_kc X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Ray wrote: "I'd like to see that website. While technically the HD signal is separate, that power ratio is incorrect. " I'd like to see that website too!! :) Still haven't found it, and when I go to a website, I usually click on every available link. I know I was looking and scrutinizing both the Boston Acoustics website and the CCrane website, but when I've revisited those sites and clicked on several links, I can't seem to find the information. Maybe, someone figured it was technically correct and deleted it, I don't know. Now............ moving on Philip, Thanks for an understandable and logical explanation as to why people do perceive the HD2 stream as weaker, and in the real world on the current generation of HD radios, it might as well be weaker, since there is no analog to fall back on and a listenable signal won't go as far. ______________________________ -------Original Message------- From: Philip J. Smith Sent: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:34:44 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: more HD 2 channels coming > That digital signal is composed of a data stream that encompasses > the entire transmitted RF, and is 96 kilobits. The power level of > that transmitted 96 kilobits is the same regardless of how it is > partitioned. 96 kilobits is 96 kilobits. Once that data stream is > demodulated, it is then decoded, and if, say, the HD1 channel is 64 > kilobits, the HD2 channel will be 32 kilobits. But they're both > contained in the same 96 kilobit data stream. There is no power > difference between the two sub streams. > > Tom Ray > WOR I think it's just people's perception that HD2 streams are "weaker." Comparing HD2 to HD1, when the HD data drops out while listening to HD1, the receiver can blend back to analog, then return to HD1 when possible. For HD2, there is no analog fallback, so when the HD data drops out, there is silence. Perhaps this makes people think HD2 doesn't go as far as HD1, which in reality is untrue. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Apr 26 07:58:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95257 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 14:50:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 14:50:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.79) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 14:50:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 07:49:31 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.44 by BAY106-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:49:25 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:49:25 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2006 14:49:31.0023 (UTC) FILETIME=[A00651F0:01C66940] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.79 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: more HD 2 channels coming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=wEDxbxHMsexNO7fjzgvvlts1f6XkrddPNXW_gBExRF2MuRb6svuYwUYuLis X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Ray wrote: "I'd like to see that website. While technically the HD signal is separate, that power ratio is incorrect. " I would like to see that website too!! :) Still haven't found it, and when I go to a website, I usually click on every available link. I know I was looking and scrutinizing both the Boston Acoustics website and the CCrane website, but when I've revisited those sites and clicked on several links, I can't seem to find the information Maybe, someone figured it was technically correct and deleted it, I don't know. Now............ moving on Philip, Thanks for an understandable and logical explanation as to why people do perceive the HD2 stream as weaker, and in the real world on the current generation of HD radios, it might as well be weaker, since there is no analog to fall back on and a listenable signal won't go as far. -----Original Message----- From: Philip J. Smith Sent: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:34:44 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: more HD 2 channels coming > That digital signal is composed of a data stream that encompasses > the entire transmitted RF, and is 96 kilobits. The power level of > that transmitted 96 kilobits is the same regardless of how it is > partitioned. 96 kilobits is 96 kilobits. Once that data stream is > demodulated, it is then decoded, and if, say, the HD1 channel is 64 > kilobits, the HD2 channel will be 32 kilobits. But they're both > contained in the same 96 kilobit data stream. There is no power > difference between the two sub streams. > > Tom Ray > WOR I think it's just people's perception that HD2 streams are "weaker." Comparing HD2 to HD1, when the HD data drops out while listening to HD1, the receiver can blend back to analog, then return to HD1 when possible. For HD2, there is no analog fallback, so when the HD data drops out, there is silence. Perhaps this makes people think HD2 doesn't go as far as HD1, which in reality is untrue. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Apr 26 13:39:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+rxPT+34+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95540 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 20:39:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 20:39:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 20:39:24 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.138]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 73598995 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:39:11 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c66971$adb0bda0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <054f01c66744$c0d15860$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> <00c101c668cc$68497720$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:40:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 26, in=17, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.138 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fwd: [mwoz] 1278 3AW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=M-plPjrJO3IyqXK_9V2dHjNW0AevG8PRI64k5VV1IRjE0vd6z4Pe X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Got the nerve up and did it today, and I didn't have to go more than 70' up to get a good view. Went to the 100' level to fasten down an obstruction light globe and the view was even better. Looks like this could work. Now to get the shots off to Moseley. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" > In other news, I'm going to be climbing one of the towers at WWTC tomorrow > to see how high up I have to be to get a good shot at the dontown > Minneapolis skyline. Assuming a good view, I'm going to start pushing for a > digital RF STL with more data capacity than our current T-1. I can already > see the skyline from a short tower in back of our studio building and if I > can see it from the transmitter site, I'll bounce a signal off the > buildings. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Apr 26 13:50:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+rxPT+34+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99675 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 20:50:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 20:50:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 20:50:04 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.138]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 73146431 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:49:51 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c66973$2badbe00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:51:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.211.138 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: more HD 2 channels coming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=03pG6dEKU7N3qaxPRD8U9okcqv9r7A7MuQLTsQkG037vVaBalYzr X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I don't get it as well either, but I doubt it's due to lack of maintenance. It's owned by Citadel now, and I'm wondering if they didn't do some alterations on their pattern requiring a ratcheting down of interference in certain directions. That'd be a good question for the broadcasting lists I'm on. I'll ask and see what pops up. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" > > btw- I don't ever recall receiving WOWO that well, here in St Petersburg, but do recall receiving KAAY in Little Rock (1090) very well at night and now I can't pick them up most of the time, even on the GE Superadio II; I'm thinking they don't maintain their equipment, towers, transmitter etc. > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Apr 26 13:56:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+rxPT+34+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29259 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 20:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 20:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 20:56:24 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.138]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 70989247 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:56:16 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701c66974$1101eee0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:57:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 5, First 8, in=4, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.138 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Pioneer SK-51 Am Fm Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=WdElNMUEaM6Y_wqxiL7N3KarMOlPB3tUPKWas1rjLqXTYfieNDPi X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I doubt the problem is the light being burned out. Something else has crapped out killing the FM stereo and the light in the process. Chris Cuff used to service consumer equipment. If you'd let us know what the model number is, perhaps we can help you figure it out. BTW- I do have an online manual source and they may have it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim smith" > Hi Scott Thats cool if so. No big hurry on it though because theres > no AM STEREO stations in my local area any more any way. So all i > would be doing it for would be sky waveing in KABC AM 790 some times. > Anyway that radio is just like one i had in the erly 1980's. I saw > that one and it brought back a lot of memerys. The one i had a bad > tuneing light wich kept it from decodeding fm stereo and i guess > tipicl of the pioneer cassettes of that time was ded . Same for the > new one to. And allso that is the only boom box model that the > speeker covers came off for cleaning. Jim Smith > From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 26 16:10:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39735 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 23:10:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 23:10:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 23:10:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 23:09:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 23:09:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:09:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005701c66974$1101eee0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.142.255.34 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Pioneer SK-51 Am Fm Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=wSDrzmf_8RBI8_KGjFJ0ohEOdJMI5xgHJy0lm1H5a1Gr3uy2Cw42Ck4DmpKkxs_5Yon6tOwc X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > I doubt the problem is the light being burned out. Something else=20 has > crapped out killing the FM stereo and the light in the process.=20=20 Chris Cuff > used to service consumer equipment. If you'd let us know what the=20 model > number is, perhaps we can help you figure it out. BTW- I do have=20 an online > manual source and they may have it. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "jim smith" >=20 > > Hi Scott Thats cool if so. No big hurry on it though because=20 theres > > no AM STEREO stations in my local area any more any way. So all i > > would be doing it for would be sky waveing in KABC AM 790 some=20 times. > > Anyway that radio is just like one i had in the erly 1980's. I=20 saw > > that one and it brought back a lot of memerys. The one i had a=20 bad > > tuneing light wich kept it from decodeding fm stereo and i guess > > tipicl of the pioneer cassettes of that time was ded . Same for=20 the > > new one to. And allso that is the only boom box model that the > > speeker covers came off for cleaning. Jim Smith > > > Hi That was the one i had 25 year ago. It was kind of strange to me=20 but if the tuneing light dose not no stereo. I had took it a part and=20 look at it and the tuneing led light some how the pos+ post of the=20 light pulled out of the plastic and let the gases out of the light.I=20 have not got the one feom ebay yet. I can't wate. If you do want to=20 know what the mod # is Pioneer SK 51 AM FM Stereo Cassette boom box.=20 Talk to you all . Jim Smith From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 26 23:10:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1203 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2006 06:10:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2006 06:10:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.88) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2006 06:10:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2006 06:06:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2006 06:06:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:06:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.143.7.143 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Pioneer SK-51 Am Fm Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=L6qEUUb9YNEPKizgCCZjvuD37S5vX5qjXQgQEFRrbWDPemY0viCRNpY8Wk0jyJ5giYs1JWvd X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > > > I doubt the problem is the light being burned out. Something=20 else=20 > has > > crapped out killing the FM stereo and the light in the process.=20=20 > Chris Cuff > > used to service consumer equipment. If you'd let us know what=20 the=20 > model > > number is, perhaps we can help you figure it out. BTW- I do have=20 > an online > > manual source and they may have it. > >=20 > > Scott Todd > >=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: "jim smith" > >=20 > > > Hi Scott Thats cool if so. No big hurry on it though because=20 > theres > > > no AM STEREO stations in my local area any more any way. So=20 all i > > > would be doing it for would be sky waveing in KABC AM 790 some=20 > times. > > > Anyway that radio is just like one i had in the erly 1980's. I=20 > saw > > > that one and it brought back a lot of memerys. The one i had a=20 > bad > > > tuneing light wich kept it from decodeding fm stereo and i guess > > > tipicl of the pioneer cassettes of that time was ded . Same for=20 > the > > > new one to. And allso that is the only boom box model that the > > > speeker covers came off for cleaning. Jim Smith > > > > > > Hi That was the one i had 25 year ago. It was kind of strange to me=20 > but if the tuneing light dose not no stereo. I had took it a part=20 and=20 > look at it and the tuneing led light some how the pos+ post of the=20 > light pulled out of the plastic and let the gases out of the=20 light.I=20 > have not got the one feom ebay yet. I can't wate. If you do want to=20 > know what the mod # is Pioneer SK 51 AM FM Stereo Cassette boom=20 box.=20 > Talk to you all . Jim Smith > Hi Scott Yes it would be nice to have a owners manual for the=20 Pioneer SK- 51 AM FM STEREO Cassette portable radio. I do know it was=20 made before 1981. Thanks Jim smith From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 26 23:28:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16052 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2006 06:28:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2006 06:28:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.209) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2006 06:28:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 48356 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2006 06:27:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jim1db32qamp61) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@71.143.7.143 with login) by smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2006 06:27:55 -0000 Message-ID: <000f01c669c3$ba591fa0$d50bfea9@jim1db32qamp61> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:27:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: KAHI AM 950 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=6_jVVSR5pq2CCYGhEAdc-fF0r_3sGD5hrAT02o44gwUx3U0ZuxGJ8NqHosu7bNdiVKw6YeJy X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang The guys at KAHI AM 950 Auburn Ca said that thay had some more stuff to do before thay can take a closer look at the AM STEREO exciter. So all i can do is cross my fingers. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wnmb@sc.rr.com Thu Apr 27 14:22:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28297 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2006 21:22:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2006 21:22:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.203) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2006 21:22:34 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n12.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2006 21:22:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2006 21:22:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2006 21:22:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:22:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.199.186.206 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: AM Stereo turned on at WKHB in Pittsburgh, Pa. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=4BNZ6JO9Ze7X1rJaxa44kgNYi9bQVoZURWHFJdix1f9ZMg X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Bob Stevens of WKHB called today to let me know he had turned on the C- quam generator in his new B E transmitter for the station which=20 broadcasts at 620 khz. He said he is not yet in true stereo but will=20 be very shortly as soon as the second STL is complete. Next, he will=20 do AM Stereo on his other station , 770 WKFB. I've had many other calls in the past couple of weeks so things do=20 look encouraging for having some additional AM Stereo outlets. In the meantime, we remain very pleased here at WNMB. We are getting=20 good response to our promotion. A fellow at a local sign company let=20 me know today he has purchased a new receiver and is playing us in=20 Stereo all the time at his shop. I hope you all have a super day! Bill From jimbo@burgan.net Thu Apr 27 20:48:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13341 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2006 03:48:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2006 03:48:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm01.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.32) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2006 03:47:57 -0000 Received: from pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (pimout2-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.217]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3S3lrFk001608 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:47:53 -0400 X-ORBL: [66.72.39.57] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-66-72-39-57.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [66.72.39.57]) by pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3S3ltSM118868 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:47:56 -0400 Message-ID: <003501c66a76$8826fee0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <004301c66973$2badbe00$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:47:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0617-2, 04/26/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOWO/WLIB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=leiFoEAgfYvqJK7Kik7MtSBturcj6J4P1GGpdPDzGCcYPy4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Scott Todd wrote: > I don't get it as well either, but I doubt it's due to lack of > maintenance. > It's owned by Citadel now, and I'm wondering if they didn't do some > alterations on their pattern requiring a ratcheting down of interference > in > certain directions. That'd be a good question for the broadcasting lists > I'm on. I'll ask and see what pops up. Don't get me started...... I know you were talking about KAAY in the above quote, but I never miss an opportunity to voice my opinion about WOWO. For those who have missed my earlier postings (of which there are many): WOWO used to be a class 1B clear, meaning they were 50,000 watts 24/7 and shared 1190 at night with KEX in Portland with mutual protection (there is a night time station in Dallas on 1190, but it is the most directional AM station in America, protecting Portland and Ft Wayne with a 12 tower array). Today, WOWO's night time power is slightly less than 10,000 watts (still 50KW omni during the day) and their pattern is a bit tighter... especially to the east. The reason: In 1994, the company that owns WLIB (a former daytimer on 1190) in NY City purchased WOWO and filed an application with the FCC to downgrade it from a class A to a class B so WLIB could get night time power. After it was done they sold WOWO. Salem Media, who owned/owns 1190 in Atlanta was a co-applicant on the downgrade of WOWO, but the FCC dismissed their part in the application . Ironically Atlanta's 1190 remains a daytimer with a power reduction during critical hours, defined as sunset in Ft Wayne. Even though WOWO is only a class B, it remains 'notified' as a class A for the purpose of Canadian and Mexican b'cast treaties (meaning that Canada and Mexico still have to protect Portland and Ft Wayne, even though Ft Wayne is only a class B). After WOWO downgraded to a class B everyone (including me) thought there would be a rash of applications and construction permits for daytimers on 1190 getting night coverage but so far no CP's have been issued, so WOWO can still be heard at night in the Southeast US (although much weaker). I really thought Atlanta's 1190 would get night power and I love it that it never happened. With all due respect to Tom and the others in NYC, the Big Apple didn't need another AM station with night time coverage, and Indiana lost it's only Class A (that served a huge rural area). We love to complain about deregulation and the '96 telecom bill, but this is the single biggest travesty in modern broadcast history and nobody (well, not many) spoke up when the FCC allowed this to happen. It was just a preview of what was coming as the FCC sold it's soul to the devil (figuratively speaking). Of course 'it just doesn't matter' any more because WOWO is just another AM talk running Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity and Savage, but it still boils my blood when I think of it. PS: If you Google the proper keywords, you will find I've been vocal about this on most b'cast Usenet groups for 10+ years From kya1260@lycos.com Thu Apr 27 21:34:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38361 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2006 04:34:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2006 04:34:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2006 04:34:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id C4DFE180013E for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 04:33:15 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 28 Apr 2006 04:23:57 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E50A9CA0B5; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 04:33:14 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:33:14 -0800 Received: from [69.233.36.146] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:33:14 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060428043314.E50A9CA0B5@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: {O.T.} WLIB ch-ch-ch-ch-changes! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=QTAcdTavD1ZmKdvzm_BBdcTJzNQRdW7YGRG4yYgtOjOQZ4TCrQ X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Former Clear Channel Radio CEO Randy Michaels is set to return=20 to operating a major market radio station.=20 Radio Business Report has learned that Michaels will take over=20 programming of WLIB-AM New York when Air America Radio's current=20 L M A (local marketing agreement) expires August 31st.=20 The station will continue to have a Progressive Talk format,=20 but Michaels will replace Air America's network programming=20 with a series of new local talk shows with a liberal bent.=20 Michael's deal with licensee Inner City Broadcasting won't=20 be an L M A, but rather a joint venture. R.B.R. observation: This isn't about politics, but rather business.=20 WLIB's programming will remain on the left. But Inner City sees=20 more upside from putting local programming on the air in the=20 nation's largest market.=20 The question now is whether Air America will be able to find a=20 new flagship station for its network in New York.=20 That won't be easy. ********************************************* Is the death knell for Air America getting closer? Stay tuned! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Burgan" > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOWO/WLIB > Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:47:53 -0400 >=20 >=20 > > Scott Todd wrote: >=20 > > I don't get it as well either, but I doubt it's due to lack of maintena= nce. > > It's owned by Citadel now, and I'm wondering if they didn't do some > > alterations on their pattern requiring a ratcheting down of interferenc= e in > > certain directions. That'd be a good question for the broadcasting lis= ts > > I'm on. I'll ask and see what pops up. >=20 > Don't get me started...... > I know you were talking about KAAY in the above quote, but I never miss a= n > opportunity to voice my opinion about WOWO. > For those who have missed my earlier postings (of which there are many): > WOWO used to be a class 1B clear, meaning they were 50,000 watts 24/7 and > shared 1190 at night with KEX in Portland with mutual protection (there i= s a > night time station in Dallas on 1190, but it is the most directional AM > station in America, protecting Portland and Ft Wayne with a 12 tower arra= y). > Today, WOWO's night time power is slightly less than 10,000 watts (still > 50KW omni during the day) and their pattern is a bit tighter... especiall= y > to the east. > The reason: In 1994, the company that owns WLIB (a former daytimer on 11= 90) > in NY City purchased WOWO and filed an application with the FCC to downgr= ade > it from a class A to a class B so WLIB could get night time power. After= it > was done they sold WOWO. Salem Media, who owned/owns 1190 in Atlanta was= a > co-applicant on the downgrade of WOWO, but the FCC dismissed their part i= n > the application . Ironically Atlanta's 1190 remains a daytimer with = a > power reduction during critical hours, defined as sunset in Ft Wayne. > Even though WOWO is only a class B, it remains 'notified' as a class A fo= r > the purpose of Canadian and Mexican b'cast treaties (meaning that Canada = and > Mexico still have to protect Portland and Ft Wayne, even though Ft Wayne = is > only a class B). > After WOWO downgraded to a class B everyone (including me) thought there > would be a rash of applications and construction permits for daytimers on > 1190 getting night coverage but so far no CP's have been issued, so WOWO = can > still be heard at night in the Southeast US (although much weaker). I > really thought Atlanta's 1190 would get night power and I love it that it > never happened. > With all due respect to Tom and the others in NYC, the Big Apple didn't n= eed > another AM station with night time coverage, and Indiana lost it's only > Class A (that served a huge rural area). We love to complain about > deregulation and the '96 telecom bill, but this is the single biggest > travesty in modern broadcast history and nobody (well, not many) spoke up > when the FCC allowed this to happen. It was just a preview of what was > coming as the FCC sold it's soul to the devil (figuratively speaking). > Of course 'it just doesn't matter' any more because WOWO is just another = AM > talk running Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity and Savage, but it still boils my bl= ood > when I think of it. > >=20 > PS: If you Google the proper keywords, you will find I've been vocal abou= t > this on most b'cast Usenet groups for 10+ years > What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Fri Apr 28 05:16:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84970 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2006 12:16:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2006 12:16:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2006 12:16:20 -0000 Received: from [4.247.122.4] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FZRtI-0008GV-91 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:16:08 -0400 Message-ID: <380-220064528121614140@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.116.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:16:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc0c8a9e126fbf6c7a761df7b6d2639048350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: RE: {AMSF} {O.T.} WLIB ch-ch-ch-ch-changes! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=H0eqEU9CTYirwZqeKgXN2RIxyf5bRzOl2Z5nP8LUPiJoSQ Did anything more happen regarding that scheme Randy Michaels had to operate a bunch of low power FM stations across America? (If my recollection is correct?) Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Jay Arnold > To: > Date: 4/28/2006 12:34:51 AM > Subject: {AMSF} {O.T.} WLIB ch-ch-ch-ch-changes! > > Former Clear Channel Radio CEO Randy Michaels is set to return > to operating a major market radio station. > Radio Business Report has learned that Michaels will take over > programming of WLIB-AM New York when Air America Radio's current > L M A (local marketing agreement) expires August 31st. > The station will continue to have a Progressive Talk format, > but Michaels will replace Air America's network programming > with a series of new local talk shows with a liberal bent. > Michael's deal with licensee Inner City Broadcasting won't > be an L M A, but rather a joint venture. > > From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Fri Apr 28 05:18:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31605 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2006 12:18:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2006 12:18:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2006 12:18:37 -0000 Received: from [4.247.122.4] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FZRv0-0001BU-E4 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:17:55 -0400 Message-ID: <380-22006452812180406@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.116.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:18:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc99137b7f4c2e5b8e41cc3de5e2f8d974350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOWO/WLIB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=UxfRA5b2lQ8cOZD6NZ7T_53HjPJY367AKj7I6kCNkcxqZA What happened to WOWO was a travesty. Since the FCC clearly disregarded the interests of rural people across the U.S. in favor of yet another nighttime signal in NYC, it once again just shows how big money controls America. Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Jim Burgan > To: > Date: 4/27/2006 11:48:57 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOWO/WLIB > > > Scott Todd wrote: > > > I don't get it as well either, but I doubt it's due to lack of > > maintenance. > > It's owned by Citadel now, and I'm wondering if they didn't do some > > alterations on their pattern requiring a ratcheting down of interference > > in > > certain directions. That'd be a good question for the broadcasting lists > > I'm on. I'll ask and see what pops up. > > Don't get me started...... > I know you were talking about KAAY in the above quote, but I never miss an > opportunity to voice my opinion about WOWO. > For those who have missed my earlier postings (of which there are many): > WOWO used to be a class 1B clear, meaning they were 50,000 watts 24/7 and > shared 1190 at night with KEX in Portland with mutual protection (there is a > night time station in Dallas on 1190, but it is the most directional AM > station in America, protecting Portland and Ft Wayne with a 12 tower array). > Today, WOWO's night time power is slightly less than 10,000 watts (still > 50KW omni during the day) and their pattern is a bit tighter... especially > to the east. > The reason: In 1994, the company that owns WLIB (a former daytimer on 1190) > in NY City purchased WOWO and filed an application with the FCC to downgrade > it from a class A to a class B so WLIB could get night time power. After it > was done they sold WOWO. Salem Media, who owned/owns 1190 in Atlanta was a > co-applicant on the downgrade of WOWO, but the FCC dismissed their part in > the application . Ironically Atlanta's 1190 remains a daytimer with a > power reduction during critical hours, defined as sunset in Ft Wayne. > Even though WOWO is only a class B, it remains 'notified' as a class A for > the purpose of Canadian and Mexican b'cast treaties (meaning that Canada and > Mexico still have to protect Portland and Ft Wayne, even though Ft Wayne is > only a class B). > After WOWO downgraded to a class B everyone (including me) thought there > would be a rash of applications and construction permits for daytimers on > 1190 getting night coverage but so far no CP's have been issued, so WOWO can > still be heard at night in the Southeast US (although much weaker). I > really thought Atlanta's 1190 would get night power and I love it that it > never happened. > With all due respect to Tom and the others in NYC, the Big Apple didn't need > another AM station with night time coverage, and Indiana lost it's only > Class A (that served a huge rural area). We love to complain about > deregulation and the '96 telecom bill, but this is the single biggest > travesty in modern broadcast history and nobody (well, not many) spoke up > when the FCC allowed this to happen. It was just a preview of what was > coming as the FCC sold it's soul to the devil (figuratively speaking). > Of course 'it just doesn't matter' any more because WOWO is just another AM > talk running Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity and Savage, but it still boils my blood > when I think of it. > > > PS: If you Google the proper keywords, you will find I've been vocal about > this on most b'cast Usenet groups for 10+ years > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From starship_2001@msn.com Fri Apr 28 05:55:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26524 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2006 12:54:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2006 12:54:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.82) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2006 12:54:59 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 05:54:15 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.207.115 by BAY106-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:54:12 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:54:12 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <4468-44521074-2253@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Jay Arnold" 's message of Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:33:14 -0800 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2006 12:54:15.0951 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB2591F0:01C66AC2] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: starship_2001@msn.com (Norbert 26) From: starship_2001@msn.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} {O.T.} WLIB ch-ch-ch-ch-changes! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=YRwFG_jNkEYGcCwwsg4iKbK31vmNMNsII1rOGfFHn_JtFW31MCHCSLMjyw X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 A nice change they could make is get off the air and restore WOWO . WLIB was not a major station until they raped WOWO. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Apr 28 09:44:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18863 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2006 16:37:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2006 16:37:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52005.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.88) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2006 16:37:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 77383 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Apr 2006 16:37:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20060428163749.77381.qmail@web52005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.183.166.167] by web52005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:37:49 PDT Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:37:49 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060425182725.20708.qmail@web52014.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} KBRH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=8eU0RxX47cJrENnSVWdBWHKIBD-R4Tk4hBB7TKbpMh_KHxOQJJIT X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio So does this mean that KBRH can be added to the list of A.M. stereo stations? Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kya1260@lycos.com Fri Apr 28 10:57:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56638 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2006 17:57:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2006 17:57:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2006 17:57:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 406541800DA5 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:55:59 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 28 Apr 2006 17:37:38 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1F486CA0B5; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:55:59 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:55:59 -0800 Received: from [69.233.36.146] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:55:59 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060428175559.1F486CA0B5@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} {O.T.} WLIB ch-ch-ch-ch-changes! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=RIrSWyi7kZJ84GUauxG9hokX8vJ6lELtw76l53wYXMcb0CKtdA X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ starship_2001@msn.com sez: > A nice change they could make is get off the air and restore WOWO .=20 > WLIB was not a major station until they raped WOWO. AMEN!!!!! --jay What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Apr 28 11:47:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+0djR+36+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55207 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2006 18:47:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2006 18:47:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2006 18:46:59 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.39]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 74026941 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 13:46:40 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <005f01c66af4$4d8d2ce0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060428163749.77381.qmail@web52005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 13:47:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 4, in=4, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.39 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KBRH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=TSM0UjUicS0vqooLkYclyqMR62eLxlmR1sS7N2nJvyWeDoUr7ih3 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Did I miss a post? Just checking; haven't seen them mentioned. Way cool if they can be. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" > So does this mean that KBRH can be added to the > list of A.M. stereo stations? > From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Apr 28 15:14:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32342 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2006 22:14:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2006 22:14:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52003.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2006 22:14:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 84433 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Apr 2006 22:13:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20060428221350.84431.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.183.166.167] by web52003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:13:50 PDT Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:13:50 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <005f01c66af4$4d8d2ce0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} KBRH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=5ONwv_cMJBrzhEULuoDjICWqPjQqssycf9ECim-fRpbH_dhkXQBe X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I saw them listed as stereo on a website of Louisiana radio last Saturday. I seem to remember it being on one of the old lists. I don't know if we have anybody near Baton Rouge that can check, but all indications are that they are stereo or at least send a pilot out. The format is classic soul/R&B. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From badeditpro@charter.net Fri Apr 28 15:17:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4213 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2006 22:17:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2006 22:17:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf42.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.174) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2006 22:17:40 -0000 Received: from mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.146]) by mxsf42.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3SMHOO1031861 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:17:24 -0400 Received: from 24-241-13-230.dhcp.rnrp.nc.charter.com (HELO yourfd6nvjcer4) ([24.241.13.230]) by mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 28 Apr 2006 18:17:24 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.04,165,1144036800"; d="scan'208"; a="252111013:sNHT17577794" Message-ID: <000601c66b11$879590e0$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: References: <1146251971.605.55848.m17@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:17:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.28.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: Re: WOW/WLIB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=A4N5GZ4akeVfuEtDSzHC2IiqpGd0p94PBwZdUDJxmX6_Gneu9imY0_wMUlUH X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Jim, I couldn't agree with you more.... I was such a huge WOWO fan that they knew me by my first name when I'd call the request line. (1-800-333-1190... I still remember!) I used to listen while I was doing overnights in Norfolk by swinging WTAR's Motorola C-Quam monitor over from 790 to 1190. They had Dan Knight and later, Chris Underwood doing all-nights and I had some really nice chats with them. I was especially fond of Jim Reeds "National Oldies Show" Those guys set the absolute standard for Oldies programming! I still use many of their tricks on my Oldies station today... If you liked WOWO, You'd love WTRG! The day they downgraded that signal was a dark, dark day in radio history.... By the way, I'd love to do some trading with anybody who has good arichecks of WOWO. Shoot me an e-mail if you wanna do a little haggling. :) Joe Collins From mtgc@hotmail.com Fri Apr 28 15:17:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9300 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2006 22:17:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2006 22:17:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2006 22:17:51 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:17:30 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 22:17:25 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:17:25 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2006 22:17:30.0590 (UTC) FILETIME=[8A523FE0:01C66B11] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM Stereo turned on at WKHB in Pittsburgh, Pa. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=STZAtidAPMJ0Y8iQXWrwPQXP6_DeQjuuMkkp96rAOLd-uHhHjg5C X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Where are WKHB and WKFB located? Thanks, Michael >From: "Bill Norman" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo turned on at WKHB in Pittsburgh, Pa. >Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:22:33 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.203 >X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com >Received: from n31a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com ([209.73.160.90]) by >bay0-mc4-f19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, >28 Apr 2006 14:11:38 -0700 >Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr >2006 21:22:49 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.106] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 >Apr 2006 21:22:49 -0000 >Received: (qmail 28297 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2006 21:22:35 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >27 Apr 2006 21:22:35 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n12c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.203) >by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2006 21:22:34 -0000 >Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n12.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 >Apr 2006 21:22:33 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr >2006 21:22:33 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr >2006 21:22:33 -0000 >X-Message-Info: LsUYwwHHNt0s9tNyQbJOBGJDsS5/KIQeznE5CfD0zRY= >Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; >d=yahoogroups.com;b=sHVF8b3k+ooFs92DUbfld3W4snDDxsAgFvhcviSJULzLxDjm5fZJ3829wOPJCknyI1rupcYQXpay6RjLsVjxybgpdvTh5s3aDI/dFLCUcZJa7YYKw2HIc8rUpfAhEgaS; >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 4085512-m23189 >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 >X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 >X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.199.186.206 >X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >List-Id: >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-23189-1146172965-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2006 21:11:38.0591 (UTC) >FILETIME=[56BF0EF0:01C66B08] > >Bob Stevens of WKHB called today to let me know he had turned on the C- >quam generator in his new B E transmitter for the station which >broadcasts at 620 khz. He said he is not yet in true stereo but will >be very shortly as soon as the second STL is complete. Next, he will >do AM Stereo on his other station , 770 WKFB. >I've had many other calls in the past couple of weeks so things do >look encouraging for having some additional AM Stereo outlets. >In the meantime, we remain very pleased here at WNMB. We are getting >good response to our promotion. A fellow at a local sign company let >me know today he has purchased a new receiver and is playing us in >Stereo all the time at his shop. >I hope you all have a super day! >Bill > > > > From wnmb@sc.rr.com Fri Apr 28 17:30:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7483 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2006 00:30:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2006 00:30:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.102) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2006 00:30:39 -0000 Received: from D333DQ61 (cpe-024-211-044-209.sc.res.rr.com [24.211.44.209]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3T0UcTa018839 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 20:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003801c66b24$247e00b0$6801a8c0@D333DQ61> To: References: Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 20:30:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "WNMB" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo turned on at WKHB in Pittsburgh, Pa. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=6jbEQ8LhNU0X-G_aLehHvDV-ylkZDA5dh04D-ZQubDX9Qw X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pittsburgh, Pa. ----- Original Message ----- From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 6:17 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM Stereo turned on at WKHB in Pittsburgh, Pa. Where are WKHB and WKFB located? Thanks, Michael >From: "Bill Norman" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo turned on at WKHB in Pittsburgh, Pa. >Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:22:33 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.203 >X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com >Received: from n31a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com ([209.73.160.90]) by >bay0-mc4-f19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, >28 Apr 2006 14:11:38 -0700 >Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr >2006 21:22:49 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.106] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 >Apr 2006 21:22:49 -0000 >Received: (qmail 28297 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2006 21:22:35 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >27 Apr 2006 21:22:35 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n12c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.203) >by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2006 21:22:34 -0000 >Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n12.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 >Apr 2006 21:22:33 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr >2006 21:22:33 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr >2006 21:22:33 -0000 >X-Message-Info: LsUYwwHHNt0s9tNyQbJOBGJDsS5/KIQeznE5CfD0zRY= >Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; >d=yahoogroups.com;b=sHVF8b3k+ooFs92DUbfld3W4snDDxsAgFvhcviSJULzLxDjm5fZJ3829wOPJCknyI1rupcYQXpay6RjLsVjxybgpdvTh5s3aDI/dFLCUcZJa7YYKw2HIc8rUpfAhEgaS; >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 4085512-m23189 >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 >X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 >X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.199.186.206 >X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >List-Id: >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-23189-1146172965-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2006 21:11:38.0591 (UTC) >FILETIME=[56BF0EF0:01C66B08] > >Bob Stevens of WKHB called today to let me know he had turned on the C- >quam generator in his new B E transmitter for the station which >broadcasts at 620 khz. He said he is not yet in true stereo but will >be very shortly as soon as the second STL is complete. Next, he will >do AM Stereo on his other station , 770 WKFB. >I've had many other calls in the past couple of weeks so things do >look encouraging for having some additional AM Stereo outlets. >In the meantime, we remain very pleased here at WNMB. We are getting >good response to our promotion. A fellow at a local sign company let >me know today he has purchased a new receiver and is playing us in >Stereo all the time at his shop. >I hope you all have a super day! >Bill > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum SPONSORED LINKS Stereo High performance Digital radio ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.5/322 - Release Date: 4/22/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Apr 29 00:59:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39899 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2006 07:59:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2006 07:59:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.77) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2006 07:59:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2006 07:59:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2006 07:59:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 07:59:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c66b11$879590e0$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.77 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.1.164 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: WOW/WLIB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=2G2uvaPZkZLnt_iuzOBc8HR8Pg1k2SyG4ZfuafElq9SrlFed X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Collins" =20 wrote: > By the way, I'd love to do some trading with anybody who has good=20 arichecks=20 > of WOWO. Shoot me an e-mail if you wanna do a little haggling. >=20 > :) The AM Stereo Archive has three airchecks of WOWO in its Indiana=20 directory: http://tinyurl.com/unw3 Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Apr 29 10:56:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27747 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2006 17:56:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2006 17:56:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.164) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2006 17:56:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 14626 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Apr 2006 17:56:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20060429175643.14624.qmail@web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.240.145.98] by web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 10:56:43 PDT Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 10:56:43 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1146329229.179.99225.m17@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: WOWO Memories X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=EwnvKyTqkRAW6qRQSi8RoPKIrbQ5rHY5ycm6HT4oFGKMp0JcRwlchmo X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Speaking of WOWO, I actually had 'protoboarded' an AM stereo decoder using a National LM1981 chip to decode WOWO when they were in Magnavox AM stereo! Magnavox had a plant in Fort Wayne, and in Ottawa, Ohio back in the day before they made picture tubes in Mexico (thanks a lot NAFTA!). Unfortunately, no cassette recordings to share :( Loved to listen to the oldies at night, and get the current temperature on the world-famous "WOWO fire escape". As we all know, money talks, and WLIB put the screws to WOWO. More money bought the Telecom act of 1996 and 10 years of radio misery to true radio lovers. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From badeditpro@charter.net Sat Apr 29 20:30:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47813 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2006 03:30:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2006 03:30:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf32.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.156) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2006 03:30:11 -0000 Received: from mxip14a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip14a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.144]) by mxsf32.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3U3U66t009992 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 23:30:08 -0400 Received: from 24-241-13-230.dhcp.rnrp.nc.charter.com (HELO yourfd6nvjcer4) ([24.241.13.230]) by mxip14a.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 29 Apr 2006 23:30:07 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.04,166,1144036800"; d="scan'208"; a="1591030302:sNHT16296256" Message-ID: <000d01c66c06$61157e80$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: References: <1146329229.179.99225.m17@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 23:30:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.28.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: Re: WOWO/WLIB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=7czc3bbyjLsEYMahk5JQXO4ASZOM0cAVWv7HPUfoo4rZ6llBo0TzJHQF1lPu X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Thanks Amy! :) JC From badeditpro@charter.net Sat Apr 29 23:11:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89960 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2006 06:11:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2006 06:11:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf22.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.222) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2006 06:11:42 -0000 Received: from mxip14a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip14a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.144]) by mxsf22.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3U6Bcb0006093 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 02:11:38 -0400 Received: from 24-241-13-230.dhcp.rnrp.nc.charter.com (HELO yourfd6nvjcer4) ([24.241.13.230]) by mxip14a.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 30 Apr 2006 02:11:38 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.04,166,1144036800"; d="scan'208,217"; a="1591261312:sNHT39443854" Message-ID: <000801c66c1c$f17e05d0$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 02:11:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.28.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: MAGIC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=LK3Tz-xQNQkP6csE7nTVrI5EdqfMuOjHM2QDUen-MZyTmH7F_GVirHqpJoPe X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am going to write this although I really don't want to because I'm afraid I may be branded some sort of fanatic or, at the very least, hopelessly sentimental. However, I think it needs to be said. I am sitting here listening to the WOWO airchecks Amy so kindly directed me to and I find myself trying to swallow a lump in my throat that just won't go away.. As I mentioned earlier, Chris Underwood and Dan Knight before him were more than just voices on the radio to me. Those guys were friends. I spent a whole bunch of nights talking to them on the phone. Overnight radio can get very lonely and we used to call each other just to make sure we were still awake. It was more than just the fact that we were all in radio that gave us common ground; it was the fact that we were on powerhouse AM stations. It made us feel special. Magic. That is the only word that describes the feeling of being a part of a station like that. When you pick up the phone and it's some person listening hundreds of miles away, it does something to you. It makes you feel connected to something so much bigger than you. Distances begin to telescope in your mind and New York or Georgia doesn't feel that far away from Norfolk anymore. It's like you are standing at a portal to a plane of existence where time and distance no longer matter. Somewhere just beyond the console and the clock above the studio window there are all of those folks who are listening while driving down some lonely road or sitting upstairs with headphones on scanning the AM dial looking for that elusive double hop or its that kid with his portable radio on his pillow. You can't see them but you feel them and you feel very special because YOU are the keeper of that magic portal. You feel a responsibility to keep an eye on the news wire and get the weather right because you know that you're the only connection to reality they have in the middle of a dark night spent alone. I was that kid before I ever even thought of being on the radio as a career. Unlike late night TV which was mainly old movies and re-runs, radio was a living thing. There was a real person in Chicago or Fort Wayne or Cincinnati or New York who was there keeping an eye on the world while you waited patiently for sleep or dawn to come to deliver you from this long, cold and lonely night. Radio gave you some measure of security just knowing that somewhere the lights were on and there was a pot of coffee brewing. AM Stereo just added an extra dimension of magic because it enhanced that feeling of time warp. How cool it was just to be able to hear someone talking a thousand miles away and then you get to hear music and jingles in stereo on top of that, too? Wow! That was mind blowing for this kid with his Sony boombox and his headphones. WTAR was like an old friend. If the skip was bad I could count on them to be there. Andy Tompkins was the main over night guy and I grew up listening to him. Yeah, I liked rock radio and I listened to my share of the FM CHR stations but when that got tired I'd tune into the Oldies on WTAR. Those guys over on the FM were just playing records and talking to folks on the phone. Andy was keeping a vigil. After school, I applied at all those CHR stations but I also sent a tape in to WTAR. I never thought I'd get a job there but I thought I should cover all the bases. Lo and behold, they were the ones who called first. I cannot tell you how amazed I was to be there.. That kind of radio was major league and I felt like I had totally bypassed my time in the monors. It was a little scary. I know I could play music and take requests but I was not sure I was up to the tasl of keeping a vigil. My first night on the air, filling in for Andy, is when I got my first taste of what the PD, Bob Ridle, had called the '50,000 watt willies'. That's when I felt the time warp from the other end for the first time. I had been on our school FM and I had also worked an internship at a small AM station, but nothing prepared me for that feeling.. A big part of the magic was the unique full service format those stations had. The commitment to good music, accurate news, sports scores and weather info made for an extremely pleasurable listening experience. It was a format that was extremely flexible, able to respond to the moment. On a Friday night you could have a lot of fun with the music, playing requests and keeping it bright and fun. However, if something happened, you could go into full coverage mode from the newsroom in no time flat. They had it all figured out: Contingency plans, backup generators and a list of folks to call in case of any emergency. That was part of keeping the vigil; being ready to shift into overdrive if need be. Everything about that kind of radio was magic to me.. It's just about dead now. Radio owners simply do not want to pay the experienced and highly qualified people that are necessary to do radio like that. That is why the AM band is now populated with Voice tracks and syndicated talk at night. The FM band is as well in most markets but it is particularly sad for AM because those of us who gained so much joy from listening to those unique stations that came into our radio only at night are left with just memories and much copied snippets of tape. Anyone who has gotten into radio in the last ten years has no clue what I'm talking about.. The new generation of radio programmers wouldn't have a clue how to put a format like that together. They do not understand the value of news on the hour or even having a live body in the studio at night and they certainly couldn't blend music like those Full Service AC's did. I cannot help but feel that our culture is losing something very special. The all night DJ and Newsman have gone the way of the Milkman. They have become a fading memory of a time when the word 'service' actually meant something. I am now a radio executive who deals with the harsh realities of post consolidation, bottom line driven broadcasting everyday but I'd trade it gladly for just one more night on the air at AM-79 WTAR the way it was in 1989... It was Magic. :) Joe Collins [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Apr 30 12:33:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+tA26+38+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92479 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2006 19:33:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2006 19:33:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2006 19:33:17 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.209.122]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 74412996 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 14:33:14 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c66c8d$2734d440$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <000801c66c1c$f17e05d0$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 14:34:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 6, First 5, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.209.122 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} MAGIC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=IAWCDNl_f8STkf26p4QW9kj1pR7FLogcLlA2ooGXdW8tWIuzO4Um X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You hopelessly sentimental fanatic, you!!! I agreed with everything you said! :) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Collins" > I am going to write this although I really don't want to because I'm afraid I may be branded some sort of fanatic or, at the very least, hopelessly sentimental. However, I think it needs to be said. From kya1260@lycos.com Sun Apr 30 14:16:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89554 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2006 21:14:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2006 21:14:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2006 21:14:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 1F39A180013B for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 21:14:23 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 30 Apr 2006 21:09:47 -0000 Received: by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1AC053384B; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 21:14:23 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 13:14:23 -0800 Received: from [69.233.36.146] by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 13:14:23 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060430211423.1AC053384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} MAGIC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=5T3fYVeUw5SKghx0MCuQfLSiUtza7oVeplmve2f41PXbkNJ9MQ X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Ditto here! Thank you, Joe... --jay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Todd" > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} MAGIC > Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 14:34:48 -0500 >=20 >=20 > You hopelessly sentimental fanatic, you!!! I agreed with everything you > said! :) >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Collins" >=20 > > I am going to write this although I really don't want to because I'm > afraid I may be branded some sort of fanatic or, at the very least, > hopelessly sentimental. However, I think it needs to be said. > What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From jimbo@burgan.net Sun Apr 30 16:43:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86902 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2006 23:43:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2006 23:43:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm01.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.32) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2006 23:43:45 -0000 Received: from pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (pimout1-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.65]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3UNhKFk010403 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:43:20 -0400 X-ORBL: [66.72.39.57] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-66-72-39-57.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [66.72.39.57]) by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3UNhMYe057666 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:43:22 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c66caf$de309400$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <000801c66c1c$f17e05d0$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:43:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0617-3, 04/28/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} MAGIC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=nogiNR7nyOnccvJhWBIocjdk8ywtz8pK2wtP-l3_ymX7JyQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 What a great summary about what made radio so special back then, and what ails it today, Joe! I still live to do my airshift... for over 40 years that's all I ever wanted to, and I consider myself blessed to still be doing it at 53 years old ... but it special back then. We don't do time checks any more (outside of morning drive)... clocks in cars now actually work these days. Forecasts are unimportant because people have the Weather Channel and the Internet and 24 hour local weather channels on cable. We don't give scores because people now have ESPN and the Internet, and sports doesn't quite have the appeal to our target demos. We only talk 4 or 5 times and hour, most of them over a 10 second record intro (we go from music into a station promo, then into a stopset without talking). When we do talk we are "encouraged" to plug our contests, station events or our music (it doesn't exactly spawn creative juices). We record requests and store them "in the can", then use them when the song comes up in rotation (or never). Most of us voicetrack our shifts so we can be more productive and do other things with our time (I do admit this productivity has made me more valuable to the company, thus I reap financial benefits). Individually, none of the above seem that important, but collectively their absence has removed nearly every shred of personality from our station(s). The magic is gone and when I read posts like Joe's, my heart longs for those days. -Jim- From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Sun Apr 30 18:57:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45922 invoked from network); 1 May 2006 01:57:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2006 01:57:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2006 01:57:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2006 01:57:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2006 01:57:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 01:57:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000801c66c1c$f17e05d0$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.118.66 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: MAGIC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=6grNXMLhn1R0Q7Rxhm6itSBu-woTsz4AfK2w2HMnFmxSI9YrrSV3Fw X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Collins" wrote: > > I am going to write this although I really don't want to because I'm afra= id I may be=20 branded some sort of fanatic or, at the very least, hopelessly sentimental.= However, I think=20 it needs to be said.=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > I am sitting here listening to the WOWO airchecks Amy so kindly directed = me to and I=20 find myself trying to swallow a lump in my throat that just won't go away..= As I mentioned=20 earlier, Chris Underwood and Dan Knight before him were more than just voic= es on the=20 radio to me. Those guys were friends. I spent a whole bunch of nights talk= ing to them on=20 the phone. Overnight radio can get very lonely and we used to call each ot= her just to=20 make sure we were still awake. It was more than just the fact that we were= all in radio that=20 gave us common ground; it was the fact that we were on powerhouse AM statio= ns. It=20 made us feel special. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Magic. That is the only word that describes the feeling of being a part = of a station like=20 that. When you pick up the phone and it's some person listening hundreds = of miles away,=20 it does something to you. It makes you feel connected to something so much= bigger than=20 you. Distances begin to telescope in your mind and New York or Georgia doe= sn't feel that=20 far away from Norfolk anymore. It's like you are standing at a portal to a= plane of=20 existence where time and distance no longer matter. Somewhere just beyond = the console=20 and the clock above the studio window there are all of those folks who are = listening while=20 driving down some lonely road or sitting upstairs with headphones on scanni= ng the AM=20 dial looking for that elusive double hop or its that kid with his portable = radio on his pillow.=20=20 You can't see them but you feel them and you feel very special because YOU = are the=20 keeper of that magic portal. You feel a responsibility to keep an eye on t= he news wire and=20 get the weather right because you know that you're the only connection to r= eality they=20 have in the middle of a dark night spent alone.=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > I was that kid before I ever even thought of being on the radio as a care= er. Unlike late=20 night TV which was mainly old movies and re-runs, radio was a living thing.= There was a=20 real person in Chicago or Fort Wayne or Cincinnati or New York who was ther= e keeping an=20 eye on the world while you waited patiently for sleep or dawn to come to d= eliver you from=20 this long, cold and lonely night. Radio gave you some measure of security j= ust knowing=20 that somewhere the lights were on and there was a pot of coffee brewing. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > AM Stereo just added an extra dimension of magic because it enhanced that= feeling of=20 time warp. How cool it was just to be able to hear someone talking a thous= and miles away=20 and then you get to hear music and jingles in stereo on top of that, too? = Wow! That was=20 mind blowing for this kid with his Sony boombox and his headphones. WTAR w= as like an=20 old friend. If the skip was bad I could count on them to be there. Andy T= ompkins was the=20 main over night guy and I grew up listening to him. Yeah, I liked rock rad= io and I listened=20 to my share of the FM CHR stations but when that got tired I'd tune into th= e Oldies on=20 WTAR. Those guys over on the FM were just playing records and talking to f= olks on the=20 phone. Andy was keeping a vigil.=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > After school, I applied at all those CHR stations but I also sent a tape = in to WTAR. I=20 never thought I'd get a job there but I thought I should cover all the base= s. Lo and behold,=20 they were the ones who called first. I cannot tell you how amazed I was to= be there.. That=20 kind of radio was major league and I felt like I had totally bypassed my ti= me in the=20 monors. It was a little scary. I know I could play music and take request= s but I was not=20 sure I was up to the tasl of keeping a vigil. My first night on the air, f= illing in for Andy, is=20 when I got my first taste of what the PD, Bob Ridle, had called the '50,000= watt willies'.=20=20 That's when I felt the time warp from the other end for the first time. I = had been on our=20 school FM and I had also worked an internship at a small AM station, but no= thing prepared=20 me for that feeling.. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > A big part of the magic was the unique full service format those stations= had. The=20 commitment to good music, accurate news, sports scores and weather info mad= e for an=20 extremely pleasurable listening experience. It was a format that was extre= mely flexible,=20 able to respond to the moment. On a Friday night you could have a lot of f= un with the=20 music, playing requests and keeping it bright and fun. However, if somethi= ng happened,=20 you could go into full coverage mode from the newsroom in no time flat. Th= ey had it all=20 figured out: Contingency plans, backup generators and a list of folks to ca= ll in case of any=20 emergency. That was part of keeping the vigil; being ready to shift into o= verdrive if need=20 be. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Everything about that kind of radio was magic to me.. It's just about de= ad now. Radio=20 owners simply do not want to pay the experienced and highly qualified peopl= e that are=20 necessary to do radio like that. That is why the AM band is now populated = with Voice=20 tracks and syndicated talk at night. The FM band is as well in most market= s but it is=20 particularly sad for AM because those of us who gained so much joy from lis= tening to=20 those unique stations that came into our radio only at night are left with = just memories=20 and much copied snippets of tape. Anyone who has gotten into radio in the = last ten years=20 has no clue what I'm talking about.. The new generation of radio programme= rs wouldn't=20 have a clue how to put a format like that together. They do not understand= the value of=20 news on the hour or even having a live body in the studio at night and they= certainly=20 couldn't blend music like those Full Service AC's did. I cannot help but f= eel that our=20 culture is losing something very special. The all night DJ and Newsman hav= e gone the way=20 of the Milkman. They have become a fading memory of a time when the word '= service'=20 actually meant something.=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > I am now a radio executive who deals with the harsh realities of post con= solidation,=20 bottom line driven broadcasting everyday but I'd trade it gladly for just o= ne more night on=20 the air at AM-79 WTAR the way it was in 1989... >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > It was Magic. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > :) >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Joe Collins >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > I know the feeling. I get it every time anyone mentions the Boss Jocks of = KHJ 93 in Los=20 Angeles. It isn't nostalgia. Just a case of some guys who knew how to mak= e great radio=20 getting together and doing it and me being there to enjoy it. Sadly, with L.A. radio's pathological obsession with ratings along with the= Clear Channel- ization of radio sucking the life out of the medium, the art of what makes = great radio has=20 largely been lost or, at least, ignored. Now it's just 20 stations that all sound about the same. db From badeditpro@charter.net Sun Apr 30 19:54:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80054 invoked from network); 1 May 2006 02:52:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2006 02:52:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf09.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.209) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2006 02:52:17 -0000 Received: from mxip33a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip33a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.248]) by mxsf09.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k412qGLf025484 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:52:16 -0400 Received: from 24-241-13-230.dhcp.rnrp.nc.charter.com (HELO yourfd6nvjcer4) ([24.241.13.230]) by mxip33a.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 30 Apr 2006 22:52:16 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c66cca$40d5b9e0$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:52:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.28.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: Re: MAGIC. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=W8jrMPg_svTmoBA-x-8lcJNwxqjlz-9ahe9p44eQgdvvHi2GnqYwRR39OKlW X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim, You are absolutely right about the reasoning that goes into today's programming and your observation about the collective effect of that 'niggleing down' of the product is right on! It is true that most of what radio provides can be had elsewhere; Cable, The Net, Sat Rad and so forth. However, those are all mediums which require some sort of action on the part of the consumer to get what they need. Most of the time, you get way more information than you were looking for. Radio has an uncanny ability to deliver information concisely and to the point. It is also a passive medium that only requires the consumer to listen long enough to get what he/she wants from it. That's why radio is so great while you are driving or working at a desk or out in the garage. Radio is truly ubiquitous in our lives. Many programmers on the local level don't see that and that's why it is so boring. For my part, I try to get my jocks to inject as much local information as possible into the format. We use voice tracking a lot but we don't do it so far ahead that it loses it's 'live' feel. Truth be told, Voice tracking can be a great tool... For instance, I VT all of my two shifts on our Country and Oldies stations, respectively. It allows me to do other things but I am still there and I can take requests, do live contests and go into the studio at any time to put in breaking news reports or severe weather updates. It's as close to live as I can get it. I am lucky that I have the good fortune of having a great news department. We have a TV station in our group and I have used them to my advantage. We do hourly news updates that are recorded by the TV news reporters. They are updated very frequently and we can go live with any breaking news. It's great cross promotion for TV and it adds more local flavor to our programming. All that said, I still find myself wishing that we could do more.... I'd like to have someone in the studio 24/7 but economics just don't allow for that right now. Generally, owners place very low value on talent and that has had an effect on the entire industry. The only hope for radio is well programmed live and local formats. Our ability to distill information down to easily digestible chunks and superserve a local audience are our only advantages. What would you rather do? ...Punch around searching for information you need or go to one station that has it all for you. People are swamped with information and radio could be just the right filter. Full Service could be the format of the future if we can get owners behind the idea and market the hell out of it.... It's what radio can do best. I'm feeling much love from the forum and I thank you.... :) JC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Apr 30 20:16:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49837 invoked from network); 1 May 2006 03:16:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2006 03:16:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.160) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2006 03:16:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 17025 invoked by uid 60001); 1 May 2006 03:16:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20060501031645.17023.qmail@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.240.145.98] by web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 20:16:45 PDT Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 20:16:45 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1146410653.1700.42311.m17@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Was AM radio was great...and in stereo...and with real people X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=0h7bcj0fuaaHD2svcF-uubG-JuZI0DRnqtJ9VMzeI_4kByGhx16ygTA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Joe so wonderfully wrote: "...Everything about that kind of radio was magic to me.. It's just about dead now....The all night DJ and Newsman...have become a fading memory of a time when the word 'service' actually meant something...It was Magic..." Amen to that prayer Joe - that's what many of us AM Stereo "appreciators" have in common - good local radio; (before NOAA Wx Radio) when a severe thunderstorm hit at 3AM, you always knew that thru the static, you would have a live DJ on the air telling you about the storm and people he spoke with on the phone about where the storm was heading, as well as power outages. Now, I have a very hard time getting even one real person on the phone at our local CC Cluster of 5 stations during the weekend or, heaven help us, overnights. Five stations, and unable to raise even one real person. Don't they at least need one warm body overnight in case one of the 5 stations has dead air? Even our local 1KW had 'Johnny Zion' on from midnight to 6am keeping the local 3rd shift folks happy with music, talk and requests. Gosh, how we all long for those days of the 70's and 80's again. I'm glad to have been able to enjoy it then, as many don't know it today, including radio management. Thanks for the memories Joe! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Mon May 01 19:37:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24652 invoked from network); 2 May 2006 02:37:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2006 02:37:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.88) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2006 02:37:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2006 02:37:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2006 02:37:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 02:37:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060501031645.17023.qmail@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.2.187.38 From: "Tom" Subject: Re: Was AM radio was great...and in stereo...and with real people X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=kq9MOEcb5y-RhgTyfYRQqEKqlCoGENeTR6zEUkiwm9XKSZd6e4fEL7NV X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 I second that AM-en. 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Thanks THE TRUTH WARRIOR http://lebanon.arcadepages.com http://www.unhcr.us From kya1260@lycos.com Wed May 03 11:15:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91910 invoked from network); 3 May 2006 18:14:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2006 18:14:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2006 18:14:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 614091800DA8 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 18:13:26 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 3 May 2006 18:07:00 -0000 Received: by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 742783384C; Wed, 3 May 2006 18:13:24 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: yipeitsdjj@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 10:13:24 -0800 Received: from [69.233.36.146] by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Wed, 03 May 2006 10:13:24 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060503181324.742783384C@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: {AMSF} H D in D.C. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=tabG8aRUQDFtCHTCVx4-chQFN4PivM4bgIAdzWmZ7v_O-jylGw X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Tuning in HD Radio:=20 how to do it We keep hearing that the H D Radio receivers don't seem to be able=20 to receive H D or H D-2 signals all that well - The Washington Post=20 just did a story on the problem;=20 Rich Russo, J.L. Media's Senior V.P./Director of Broadcast Services,=20 rants about it in our May Radio/T V Business Report Solutions Magazine;=20 and an industry vendor complained about it off the record to us:=20 'The Boston Acoustics 'Receptor' unit - we just got a few of them=20 here and are running into similar user difficulties. Hey, let me=20 ask you this, you are sitting there in local range of the Washington,=20 D.C. market...on your H D radio, how many of the stations can actually=20 hear their H D channels? We are in N Y C and we can only get TWO=20 (c b s-f m and z-100) and both H D 2 signals are cutting in and out=20 every 5 seconds. Are you having better results there? Just curious.' Here, my friends, is how it is done (and our answer to him): 'I am about 30 miles south of Washington, D.C., in air miles.=20 To get all of the H D signals in clearly and stable I had to move=20 the receiver to the top floor of the house and attach a 75-ohm rabbit=20 ears antenna. I have to adjust the antennas a bit for some of the=20 stations, but they are all stable. Also - computer or other R F=20 interference will hurt the signals a bit. Keep the antenna away=20 from interference-producing electronics.=20 The antenna they included is unacceptable. When you hook up the new=20 antenna, move the aerials so you see three signal bars...it will=20 then acquire H D...Other than that, the receiver on analog F M is=20 pretty damn good...great selectivity and decent sensitivity.'=20 Bottom line, these first-generation H D-2 receivers have some H D=20 sensitivity issues. Newer chipsets coming out just now and soon=20 have improved sensitivity. No matter if you are downtown on the 28th=20 floor or in the sticks, the receivers will work, but you MUST have a=20 decent antenna hooked up to it and know how to use the antenna to=20 glean the signal. Just pulling the rabbit ears out fully and setting=20 the antenna down may not do the trick for all the stations.=20 A signal amplifier will not help at all, by the way.=20 Car receivers have less of a problem than the indoor receivers,=20 but are still more limited in reception range in H D than analog. --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From bob_welch550@yahoo.com Wed May 03 13:14:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bob_welch550@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64372 invoked from network); 3 May 2006 20:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2006 20:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.206) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2006 20:14:35 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2006 20:14:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2006 20:14:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2006 20:14:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 20:14:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.163.51.133 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: WBZ-HD can't be heard in White River Jct, VT! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213592090; y=_EXBd1qodoFEySpOXmzGMh0GoUP1ZgYnEoGyOrZuLO6NJbxLMGSM X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Tom, I understand that on paper there are other 50,000 watt stations in=20 New England like the old WHDH (now WEEI) at 850 in Boston, along=20 with WRKO Boston at 680. However, where I live both of those=20 signals need to send their signals elsewhere at night. There is a=20 680 licensed to Toronto, and for quite a while there was an 850 lic.=20 to Montreal (CKVL). My parents (both Emerson grads), still crack=20 jokes about WMEX 1510 in Boston which is 50,000 watts pointed at the=20 fish population to the north and east of Boston. I think the 1510=20 frequency holds the call letter change record in Boston on the AM=20 dial. My mom reported having trouble getting the signal from that station=20 in the western suburbs of the city. Meanwhile... WHDH allegedly=20 came in on the pipes in the basement. I remember being in that=20 basement in order to prove that claim. I couldn't. -grins- I know that Connecticut is a New England state as well and therefore=20 I must include WTIC at 1080, and I listen to them quite abit as they=20 take the Red Sox. The city of my birth is Worcester, MA where WCRN=20 830 has 50,000 watts, but not at night.=20=20 However in my mind's eye 1030 and 1080 are by far the clearest=20 signals from their respective cities in the day and at night because=20 neither station needs to worry about other folks on the same channel. That is effectively what I meant. Last weekend, I took a trip along=20 the Maine Coast. I picked up WBZ in Portland and was able to=20 basically able to stay with it in HD all the way up the entire Maine=20 Coast. I even got the signal on Deer Island, New Brunswick. Bob WDEV --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > Actually, WBZ isn't the most powerful radio station in New=20 > England...it's 50KW like several others. And if I'm not mistaken,=20 > White River Junction is way up there. I wouldn't expect you to be=20 > able to decode HD that far out. I bet your signal strength is=20 below=20 > 1/2 milliVolt. >=20 > I have held WBZ through to Westfield, MA, in HD, and have captured=20 > them in HD in Hartford. With a Kenwood. You may have gotten a=20 dud,=20 > or you may want to double check your antenna connections (both at=20 > the radio and at the antenna) for corrosion and tightness....as=20 well=20 > as the grounds. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Welch" =20 > wrote: > > > > Greetings, > >=20 > > I know I was inclined to not be the least bit interested in this=20 > HD=20 > > technology... However, I wanted to be impartial and give it a=20 > chance.=20=20 > > My parents, knowing that I'm in the radio business, got me the=20 > > Kenwood "boot-box" HD adaptor for the KDC-x979 which I've had in=20 > my=20 > > truck for a few years.=20=20 > >=20 > > I hooked it up and tune to what is by far the most powerful=20 radio=20 > > station in New England... WBZ... and you know what? I couldn't=20 > even=20 > > hear the signal in White River Junction, VT. It's at that point=20 > that=20 > > the regular WBZ has no artifacts in the signal what-so-ever. If=20 > BZ=20 > > was broadcasting in C-Quam... my Realistic TM-152.. tweaked by a=20 > > former CJAD-800-Montreal engineer... would be pulling in the=20 > stereo at=20 > > that point... or across half of North America at night seeing as=20 > you=20 > > can have the C-QuAM on at night. > >=20 > > Bob > > WDEV > > > From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri May 05 16:29:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69316 invoked from network); 5 May 2006 23:21:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2006 23:21:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2006 23:21:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 49512 invoked by uid 60001); 5 May 2006 23:21:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20060505232147.49510.qmail@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.216.240] by web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 May 2006 16:21:47 PDT Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 16:21:47 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000801c66cca$40d5b9e0$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: SSSH! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=ZfKxqs1Uev3PEVpt00gVwDcoViOXw679H6yR11hMLNw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Let us not all wake up at once. Powell ( in stereo where available ) w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Fri May 05 17:24:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63208 invoked from network); 6 May 2006 00:21:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2006 00:21:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.162.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2006 00:21:07 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 May 2006 17:20:58 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 69.34.90.193 by BAY108-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 06 May 2006 00:20:55 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 20:20:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2006 00:20:58.0642 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2C18720:01C670A2] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.162.89 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Part 15 AM Stereo :) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=YxZeuHeLdjcolqB9S10zukDn6vUMoXKv3HVEo1RPx6NL X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd thought you all would appreciate the pic's of my new studios. below is links to pic's of my new studios/ham shack :) This is a part 15 AM/FM Station using a Hamilton Rangemaster(AM) and X-File XFT-40(FM) both part 15 type certified :) yes the Shure mic is an origional 1950's/60's 556s Broadcast Mic. The AM Stereo is a Chris Cuff 100mW (/\/\) C-QuAM Tranny in a Weatherproof box on 1610kHz and the Rangemaster Will be on 1700kHz. the Rangemaster will be on the mono output on my CRL AMS Chain and the Chris Cuff will be on the Stereo outputs. When in Glen Gardner, NJ have a listen :) Maybe i'll get together some airchecks of both systems and upload them. Studios are still under construction. See Pic's to get an idea of what i'm doing. http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=wnjo2.jpg http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=wnjo3.jpg http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=wnjo4.jpg http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=wnjo5.jpg http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=wnjo6.jpg http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=wnjo15.jpg http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=wnjo16.jpg http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=wnjo17.jpg http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=wnjo9.jpg http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=wnjo8.jpg Thank You, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree From tomray@wor710.com Tue May 09 09:44:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21314 invoked from network); 9 May 2006 16:36:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2006 16:36:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2006 16:36:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n16.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2006 16:36:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2006 16:36:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 16:36:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Testing......is this thing on??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=x2gsHuijLUqb3OAaEPBUyX2OOteaqRrl_BHqbGZJKB49AY74 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Just testing. I noticed the site was up and down starting Friday, and I haven't seen any new postings since then, so...... *THUNK!* *THUNK!* *THUNK!* Testing one. One, two. Check...... Tom Ray WOR From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue May 09 10:32:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95559 invoked from network); 9 May 2006 17:32:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2006 17:32:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2006 17:32:47 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-77-88.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.51.77.88] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FdW0I-00017z-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 09 May 2006 13:28:10 -0400 Message-ID: <020201c6738d$f0abc610$6505a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 13:28:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Testing......is this thing on??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=zbMPJ5WkEO4rqddmffuy3xcEaYN5cHgn7v8D0VzVeKes-KcJnusBw_pButbFHA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: > Testing one. One, two. Check...... Yahoo Groups blew a modulator tube Friday. It is back on the air now. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue May 09 11:00:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37861 invoked from network); 9 May 2006 18:00:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2006 18:00:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2006 18:00:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 85564 invoked by uid 60001); 9 May 2006 18:00:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20060509180008.85562.qmail@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 May 2006 11:00:08 PDT Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 11:00:08 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1147193530.129.92349.m17@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Tabletop HD radio a disapointment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=QhLeW4V9YU3PZfmxm9I6B6JkU1plbNoEZnd80NctD7WL4A6rykyzUI8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio They really need to make a better 1st generation IBOC / HD tabletop radio, based on the results a co-worker had in the Detroit market - only one of the three HD AM's could come in and out of IBOC, and even then, it didn't sound any better! He did note that due to the DSP chip (Motorola Symphony?) that this tabletop HD radio did a great job of surpressing the IBOC digital hash compared to a standard analog AM radio. Regarding FM, he used the new and improved FM antenna and could only get 2 of the FM 2nd channel stations, so not a very good percentage when you can pickup the analog FM station ok with the radio! At least CQuam worked for hundreds of miles! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue May 09 11:37:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97943 invoked from network); 9 May 2006 18:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2006 18:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.64) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2006 18:37:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 42143 invoked by uid 60001); 9 May 2006 18:37:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20060509183744.42141.qmail@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.216.176] by web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 May 2006 11:37:44 PDT Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 11:37:44 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Testing......is this thing on??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=6zEpaUrTqYmkPgW_tEahaPKnm5Xqprawx22QHPdpGiQ X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > Just testing. I noticed the site was up and down > starting Friday, and > I haven't seen any new postings since then, so...... > > *THUNK!* > *THUNK!* > *THUNK!* > > Testing one. One, two. Check...... > > Tom Ray > WOR It's baaack. A major virus over the internet caused the problems. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue May 09 16:18:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61877 invoked from network); 9 May 2006 23:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2006 23:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.76) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2006 23:18:30 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 9 May 2006 16:18:09 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.98.224.116 by BAY106-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 09 May 2006 23:18:07 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: "am stereo forum" Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 19:17:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2006 23:18:09.0570 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5DDC820:01C673BE] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.76 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: re: HD radio a disappointment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=NWRfE96S7dHX7fiLJi1o-H-MM_Jy-WETR5k7X5wFtIUjQZLwKylrsTTzeAw X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Hi John, Based on what I've seen and read on the HD radios, I think we might be waiting on the 3rd generation of HD radios, I would be willing to bet that the 2nd generation will have less bugs, but still have some. Sounds, as though on the fm band, if you don't receive an extremely strong fm signal from a station, the odds of receiving the HD2 signal are slim to none, unless you install a rooftop antenna or hang an antenna out the window. I hope they do work out all the bugs, maybe Ibiquity needs to call Orkin or Terminex, since it sounds like there are many many bugs! :) (the am sideband hash being a major bug on the am band), I might consider a third generation receiver only if the radio stations have better programming than now and I'm not holding my breath on that happening either. There are some wonderful exceptions i.e. WNMB in North Myrtle Beach, but by in large the am band is an endless band of drivel. ( and not even live and local drivel, for the most part). Donn, St Petersburg From amstereoexp@yahoo.com Tue May 09 16:19:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoexp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90917 invoked from network); 9 May 2006 23:19:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2006 23:19:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.190) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2006 23:19:36 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n23.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2006 23:19:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2006 23:19:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2006 23:19:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 23:19:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060509183744.42141.qmail@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.212.130 From: "K.T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Testing......is this thing on??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78550888; y=TsxyjFa9yGu2PbH8ox17dTaFTX_jYRDZBC8hiIFPF-MjyB3XiZY X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoexp > It's baaack. A major virus over the internet caused > the problems. My "kevtronics" account also got screwed up yesterday... Yahoo claims it has been "deactivated" due to a "Terms of Service=20 violation", which is completely BS because aside from a few e-mails, I haven't even used it that much recently. I just got off the phone with Yahoo and I will hopefully get this account=20 reactivated, since I've used it since 1999 and it is the registered "owner" of this group. Thankfully, Chris Cuff has moderator priveleges here so he can help out in the meantime, but there are a few things which only the "Group Owner" can do, so I need to get that account back. But until further notice, please redirect all e-mail to my other account: amstereoexp@yahoo.com Kevin T. From rwagoner@cox.net Tue May 09 17:02:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92512 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 00:02:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 00:02:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtai11.cox.net) (68.230.241.48) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 00:02:04 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060509235029.QSIY24290.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 19:50:29 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 16:50:29 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Testing......is this thing on??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=MkFYWn50zV6gXdXXRo34GA2-Ence5e7RdZyIEXcr3NM4x93u37rj53uY3hmq X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And all the Mac users ask ... virus? What's a virus? On May 9, 2006, at 4:19 PM, K.T. wrote: > > It's baaack. A major virus over the internet caused > > the problems. > > My "kevtronics" account also got screwed up yesterday... Yahoo > claims it has been "deactivated" due to a "Terms of Service > violation", which is completely BS because aside from a few > e-mails, I haven't even used it that much recently. I just got > off the phone with Yahoo and I will hopefully get this account > reactivated, since I've used it since 1999 and it is the > registered "owner" of this group. Thankfully, Chris Cuff has > moderator priveleges here so he can help out in the meantime, > but there are a few things which only the "Group Owner" can do, > so I need to get that account back. But until further notice, > please redirect all e-mail to my other account: > amstereoexp@yahoo.com > > Kevin T. > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Stereo High performance Digital radio > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net Tue May 09 18:22:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27799 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 01:22:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 01:22:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 01:22:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n16.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 01:22:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 01:22:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 01:22:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.22.152.82 From: "Scott Higbee" Subject: "RAZ" in a GM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=257511206; y=BCRI2GlbQnc9TcHg-IkAyt3dNwMbQ-1-wQM0hsrbgLfnYTuqI3NRzvHeTyWl5HSVaayXsA X-Yahoo-Profile: labonte43nc =20 Hello All, I am thinking about putting a Chrysler "RAZ" Stereo into a Pontiac=20 GP. Has anyone ever tried to install a stereo from another=20 manufacturer? What types of problems may I incounter? Thanks Scott From jimbo@burgan.net Tue May 09 20:10:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92749 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 03:10:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 03:10:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm43.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.74) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 03:10:11 -0000 Received: from pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (pimout1-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.65]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k4A3ACne018720 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 23:10:12 -0400 X-ORBL: [66.72.39.57] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-66-72-39-57.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [66.72.39.57]) by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4A3A9mC035900 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 23:10:10 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c673df$3f7fa8f0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 23:10:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0619-0, 05/08/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Testing......is this thing on??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=kcpOOrDiVnVdYxkzzopZUIudvEE_PPDqmyszYycpousazPk X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > And all the Mac users ask ... virus? What's a virus? I appreciate the fact that Mac users haven't had to put up with the crap Windows users have endured, but it isn't really a sign of supremacy of the Mac OS X. The user base of the Mac isn't big enough to merit a hacker's efforts... in other words, why create a virus if there isn't viewable result? I know Microsoft is guilty of gross negligence in creating one operating system after another that is open to attack from evildoers. I remember back in the late 80's getting infected with the "happy.exe" virus, running MS DOS. It installed itself on the boot sector of the hard drive and/floppy and replicated itself at will. That was when I first got introduced to Mr. Norton's antivirus software. Every OS that Microsoft created was more vulnerable than the previous one.. until Windows XP (which was only moderately more secure than W2K or 98SE). I have high hopes that they've learned their lesson and Vista will (as advertised) be the most secure OS ever developed by Microsoft... but only time will tell. Meanwhile, if "all the Mac users ask... virus? What's a virus?".. I need only remind them that OS X is not impregnable and has been the victim of more than one attack, including trojans and worms. Apple loves to throw around the number of virus definitions currently active for Windows (114,000) and relative few for the Mac (less than 1,000 for OS X), but if you compare the user base to virus ratio, the Mac has more than it's share and even Apple recommends that you use antivirus software with OS X. I had a Mac... Along with a TRS 80 Model II (and a Kaypro, another Z80 based PC running CP/M), Atari 800, Atari 520ST, Amiga 5000 and various other PC's, and until the late 90's I liked the Mac the best, but it now sits in a corner next to the Amiga and Atari 520ST. When Windows XP came along, it became the most powerful OS available.If you stay current with service packs and Microsoft's free "Windows Defender" and a good Antivirus package, which is also recommended for the Mac, I believe my PC is as secure as any I've ever owned, which is remarkable since it's sitting on a T1 connection 24/7 with Terminal Server access over TCIP, which should make it vulnerable, but even though I can access my desktop form anywherein the world I feel more secure than at any tim in the past 20 years.. The most important thing I can say to people running Windows, enable automatic updates and have then installed automatically while you sleep. Get the latest service packs and newest ad-ons such as Windows Defender (previously called Microsoft Antispyware Beta) and get a decent anti virus program such as Avast, McAffee or Norton and stay current on you virus definitions and you needn't fear attact. I know I'm knocking on the door of fate, but I have 3 Windows XP based PCs at home and haven't had a Trojan or virus in well over a year (even with teenage boys trying to install various toolbars for off shore gambling and on-shore whorehouses and cheap Percodan or oxycontin delivered right to my door), and at the radio complex (our 5 station group), our on air delivery system contains a Novell server and 5 workstations running Windows NT (and Enco's DAD Pro 32 software for on air delivery), and our business network consists of 34 workstations running Windows 2000 Professional or Windows XP Professional and a Proliant server running Windows 2000 Server and we haven't had that first infection in over a year. I try to watch out for potentiol threats, and look for future problems, but I feel pretty secure right now. I will upgrade several machines to Microsoft Vista this year: our mainframe file server and 8-10 workstations... looking forward to getting my hands on Microsoft Vista. It's been a long long wait and I have high hopes. Time 'ill tell! -Jim- From groucho@skyweb.net Tue May 09 21:09:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53948 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 04:09:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 04:09:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 04:09:14 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.46] (pool-70-111-223-198.nwrk.east.verizon.net [70.111.223.198]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k4A48YTf017736 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 00:08:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <44616754.7070507@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 00:08:52 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <000b01c673df$3f7fa8f0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> In-Reply-To: <000b01c673df$3f7fa8f0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 66.6.128.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Testing......is this thing on??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145; y=G9n3ek2s3oS8ubPHEx8MMCCylllMGaZdOsNhDVYSEvUz6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 I still say OS/2 was the Best OS out there.. virus??? what's that... Its like AM stereo...Cquam... great idea with little support.. Neal From rwagoner@cox.net Tue May 09 22:58:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48198 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 05:58:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 05:58:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao05.cox.net) (68.230.241.34) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 05:58:30 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060510055827.QTTG25666.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 01:58:27 -0400 In-Reply-To: <000b01c673df$3f7fa8f0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> References: <000b01c673df$3f7fa8f0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <47982514-A8FF-49F7-B954-196A3D48507B@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 22:58:25 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Testing......is this thing on??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=9M7BVKQzgM4oVDDKjsLBaePY_lnmITHqr3y3nycbxalnHQw0DsKAvGf3R_2q X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner A lot of the vulnerabilities in Windows are because by default so many ports are open. On the Mac, they are closed. The most popular browser on Windows is Internet Explorer, also very prone to hacking. So it's not just luck, the OS IS more secure. I'm not someone who believes Windows sucks (although I don't like much of it personally), but it IS less secure by default. And Apple does a far better job of closing known/discovered holes faster than does Microsoft. So ... what virus? Richard On May 9, 2006, at 8:10 PM, Jim Burgan wrote: > > And all the Mac users ask ... virus? What's a virus? > > I appreciate the fact that Mac users haven't had to put up with the > crap > Windows users have endured, but it isn't really a sign of supremacy > of the > Mac OS X. > The user base of the Mac isn't big enough to merit a hacker's > efforts... From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue May 09 23:18:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78500 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 06:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 06:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.204) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 06:18:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 48318 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 06:18:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jim1db32qamp61) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@71.143.13.89 with login) by smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 06:18:29 -0000 Message-ID: <000601c673f9$8f6d6540$d50bfea9@jim1db32qamp61> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 23:18:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: Subject: KABC AM 790 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=5e05Sx0D3y8swI7AlQKkjluuakOqa7KWc-M8YSaVeRu0CmPJcRSD85zxecQCb4DOOnVWfO4b X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I had just seen that KABC AM 790 is in mono as of 11:10 pm MAY 9th 2006. Thay where on the list to be IBOC. Thay had change that list to just show the on air stations now. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Wed May 10 00:09:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86804 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 07:09:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 07:09:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (66.193.185.19) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 07:09:39 -0000 Received: from Chris (unverified [199.232.230.28]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.35.475.0) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 03:06:33 -0400 X-Modus-BlackList: ccuff@in4web.com=OK Message-ID: <000a01c67400$3cf94930$1ce6e8c7@Chris> To: References: Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 03:06:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 66.193.185.19 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} "RAZ" in a GM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613; y=nVZAyS7s4Dn2xdS1A4Gpm400T8QHFn89fOGg_hkOC2ziN43GAWZmY5YJ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Scott, I have done it and it worked OK. I had to cut off the two mounting ears of the RAZ, and after that, the plastic bezel of the dash kept the radio perfectly in place, and it did not rattle- It looked like it had been there all along- One problem is that I had to cut a hole in the AC Duct behind the radio, but after the radio was installed, it really made no difference in the driver's side AC- all that mattered to me! LOL... Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Higbee" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:22 PM Subject: {AMSF} "RAZ" in a GM > > Hello All, > I am thinking about putting a Chrysler "RAZ" Stereo into a Pontiac > GP. Has anyone ever tried to install a stereo from another > manufacturer? What types of problems may I incounter? > > Thanks > Scott From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed May 10 01:13:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23844 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 08:13:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 08:13:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.183) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 08:13:09 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 08:12:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 08:12:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 08:12:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 08:12:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060509180008.85562.qmail@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.20.237 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Tabletop HD radio a disapointment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=17j9iphOivoV5ngLeTJq9v8MikVqkvMa7JYyMln2XD8f6K0l X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > At least CQuam worked for hundreds of miles! ...With intelligibility under noisy conditions, lossless recovery,=20 transparency to non-C-QUAM receivers, large 20-some-year receiver base,=20 etc., etc., etc. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed May 10 01:30:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80223 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 08:30:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 08:30:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.157) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 08:30:34 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 08:30:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 08:30:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 08:30:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 08:30:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <47982514-A8FF-49F7-B954-196A3D48507B@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.20.237 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Testing......is this thing on??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=W20ZqRz5T7oR932hRuwBgXzTF1Xfxw9XhpIk9mDjgvh5HGpr X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie As someone who owns both Windows and Mac laptops (neither up to=20 current specs), it's safe to say that Mac OS X is really the better=20 OS- It's secure, crash-resistaqnt, and backed by BSD Unix, performs=20 well even on older (G3 or better) machines, and you can do almost=20 everything on a Mac as you can in Windows.. OS X is not like its=20 predecessors, and can be taken more seriously these days. As for user base, the percenjtage of Mac users actually has gone up=20 in recent years, now estimated at 10-12% of the PC market (previously=20 2-8%, but if you figure in cheer unit numbers, even 2% is not easily=20 ignorable, because we're talking on the order of tens of millions,=20 just in the Mac corner. On Windows, I wouldn't trust Microsoft for anti-spyware (or=20 anything), so I recommend, as many before me, go for Spybot Search &=20 Destroy. I also recommend Grisoft's AVG (I use the Free Edition that=20 you can get at: http://free.grisoft.com/doc/1 ) and ZoneAlarm or some=20 otrher firewall solution. (I don't trust Norton or McAfee for=20 AV/security, having had bad experiences with both.) All that said, I'm glad Yahoo! Groups is operational again, and I=20 hope the moderator's woes with Yahoo! and his account are resolved=20 quickly and amicably. (I've been busy elsewhere, so I haven't been focusing too much on=20 Yahoo! Groups or anything else, for that matter.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Wed May 10 05:13:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53608 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 12:13:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 12:13:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 12:13:02 -0000 Received: from [4.247.123.42] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FdnYT-0007BH-6L for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 10 May 2006 08:12:38 -0400 Message-ID: <380-220065310121253687@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.116.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 08:12:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc565ce4200020e34536f85732c1a3bd5e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Testing......is this thing on??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=0HjYe5f3GwzJkD2C_oDGYisuHPe8wr3H4KO5UYoBx4ytAw As a slightly "off-topic" remark, I would mention that Windows XP's feature "System Restore" is really great. If your system files become damaged or corrupted, you can view a calendar that allows you to pick a previous date (e.g., a date 2 months ago) back when your system was operating ok. Having selected that date, the system configuration from that old date is reinstalled, and your problems disappear. (Of course, if you have a virus, you still need an antivirus program for virus removal. Otherwise the problem will no doubt reappear.) An example for me was on a couple of occasions when I was downloading new definitions for Webroot Spysweeper. Because of other circumstances, I had to disconnect from my phone connection and shut down the computer. Later when I restarted, the antispyware program would no longer load up due to corruption that occurred during the interruption of the download. Although I could have reinstalled the antispyware program, it was much easier to use "System Restore" and go back a few days to a time when the system was operating all right. Once I utilized the earlier date's configuration, everything worked perfect, and I re-downloaded the updates for the antispyware program. "System Restore" only restores system files - it does not affect any data files that you may have. You don't lose any work you've created. I'm sure most XP users are familiar with this feature, but I thought I'd pass it on anyway. Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Amy Mousie > To: > Date: 5/10/2006 4:30:35 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Testing......is this thing on??? > > As someone who owns both Windows and Mac laptops (neither up to > current specs), it's safe to say that Mac OS X is really the better > OS- It's secure, crash-resistaqnt, and backed by BSD Unix, performs > well even on older (G3 or better) machines, and you can do almost > everything on a Mac as you can in Windows.. OS X is not like its > predecessors, and can be taken more seriously these days. > > As for user base, the percenjtage of Mac users actually has gone up > in recent years, now estimated at 10-12% of the PC market (previously > 2-8%, but if you figure in cheer unit numbers, even 2% is not easily > ignorable, because we're talking on the order of tens of millions, > just in the Mac corner. > > On Windows, I wouldn't trust Microsoft for anti-spyware (or > anything), so I recommend, as many before me, go for Spybot Search & > Destroy. I also recommend Grisoft's AVG (I use the Free Edition that > you can get at: http://free.grisoft.com/doc/1 ) and ZoneAlarm or some > otrher firewall solution. (I don't trust Norton or McAfee for > AV/security, having had bad experiences with both.) > > All that said, I'm glad Yahoo! Groups is operational again, and I > hope the moderator's woes with Yahoo! and his account are resolved > quickly and amicably. > > (I've been busy elsewhere, so I haven't been focusing too much on > Yahoo! Groups or anything else, for that matter.) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Wed May 10 06:00:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34493 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 13:00:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 13:00:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.51.22) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 13:00:47 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 May 2006 06:00:42 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 May 2006 13:00:37 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:00:37 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2006 13:00:42.0699 (UTC) FILETIME=[BE9FA1B0:01C67431] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.51.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Paul Crane" Subject: RE: {AMSF} "RAZ" in a GM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851; y=jMJ2-sinCJvO3u_wwhr39_XC48YFZP0XKcy8FZz_72PTKRQ4GJTg X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane I have a Ford (made by Pioneer) stereo (AM stereo/FM stereo-RDS/CD/cassette) in my Subaru. I did my own installation after being told by 4 professionals (including Crutchfield) it wouldn't work - it sounds great (especially CFCO). To help with your installation: http://www.installdr.com/ Paul Crane, KC8YQQ Jackson, MI USA Part 15 transmitters on air 24/7: AM stereo 1250, FM stereo 88.3 ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Scott Higbee" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} "RAZ" in a GM Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 01:22:25 -0000 Hello All, I am thinking about putting a Chrysler "RAZ" Stereo into a Pontiac GP. Has anyone ever tried to install a stereo from another manufacturer? What types of problems may I incounter? Thanks Scott _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed May 10 07:12:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19466 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 14:10:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 14:10:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 14:10:25 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-77-88.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.51.77.88] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FdpJ8-0006Ry-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:04:54 -0400 Message-ID: <05ee01c6743a$b5bc2790$6505a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <000b01c673df$3f7fa8f0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> <44616754.7070507@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:04:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Testing......is this thing on??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=uUp32a65TmzVXBKZTxfWvhuRlPzGoprIOKCeZnj8JBQ_iPI8HUCZaX4eyWs2TQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neal Newman wrote: >I still say OS/2 was the Best OS out there.. virus??? what's that... OS/2 3.0 was a mostly Microsoft effort and is what became Windows NT, Windows 2000, Windows XP-Pro, Windows Vista. OS/2 2.0 is the system that IBM developed. OS/2 2.0 became OS/2Warp. the latest version, OS/2Warp4.52 was released in 2001 and removed from the market in December of 2005. The IBM End of Support date is December 26, 2006, But that isn't the End of OS/2Warp! OS/2 Warp Server for e-business or WSeB Is being marketed by Serenity Systems International as eComStation. eComStation 2.0 is now in Beta release with the full version to be released this year. go to http://ecomstation.com/ for details. In the mean time, IBM is considering releasing OS/2Warp4.x as open source software! Most banks and airlines use OS/2Warp as do many military contractors. > >virus??? what's that... OS/2 is virtually free of computer viruses. Its design possibly could have made it as vulnerable as Windows, but its reduced market share appears to have discouraged virus writers. There are, however, OS/2-based antivirus programs, dealing with DOS viruses and Windows viruses that could pass through an OS/2 server. I have an OS/2 Warp4 box. In some ways it is kind of clunky compared to other Operating Systems like Linux and OSX, but it is rock stable and compatible with most programs written for older versions of Windows. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed May 10 12:49:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39625 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 19:49:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 19:49:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 19:49:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 32358 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2006 19:48:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20060510194817.32356.qmail@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.240.145.98] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:48:17 PDT Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:48:17 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1147282964.353.33051.m17@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: re: RAZ in an GM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=TQemFRMNMedpL9UGLcCUtStIGBaTbHcSrXgTrJMpOvHfLn3ZD52MPVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio You cannot fit the old GM into the Chrysler opening, but the Chrysler will fit into the GM opening in most cases (but may require some surgery to remove/modify the mounting tab ears on the radio. Also, I opened-up my RAZ radio and installed a wider bandwidth I.F. filter, and it made a nice difference, IIRC, the factory filter was only 6KHz, so I installed a 7.5KHz filter to make it AMAX quality AM Stereo. Actually, if I had a chance to do it over again, I probably would have made it a full-width 10KHz filter! "RAZ" in a GM Scott, I have done it and it worked OK. I had to cut off the two mounting ears of the RAZ, and after that, the plastic bezel of the dash kept the radio perfectly in place, and it did not rattle- It looked like it had been there all along- One problem is that I had to cut a hole in the AC Duct behind the radio, but after the radio was installed, it really made no difference in the driver's side AC- all that mattered to me! LOL... Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jimidiaz@clearchannel.com Wed May 10 15:33:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: JimiDiaz@clearchannel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60062 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 22:33:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 22:33:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rly02.clearchannel.com) (207.230.144.243) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 22:33:22 -0000 Received: from CCUMAIL11.usa.ccu.clearchannel.com ([10.10.160.55]) by rly02.clearchannel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 10 May 2006 17:33:21 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:33:20 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Digest Number 1882 thread-index: AcZziOs+6FzNx4cvQL2m6ed/mArcUQA+Mj4g To: Return-Path: JimiDiaz@clearchannel.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2006 22:33:21.0155 (UTC) FILETIME=[BDDBF530:01C67481] X-Originating-IP: 207.230.144.243 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Diaz, Jimi" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Digest Number 1882 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230202264; y=Q7hFZH4CvVHE3dUFYl3OMA9Ycbe6MUvVkHUoEsDcPLm6Jg X-Yahoo-Profile: jimiphx We're trying to sleep over here! What's all the noise about?=20 -----Original Message----- From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:52 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Digest Number 1882 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/CPMolB/TM---------------- ----------------------------------------------------~->=20 There is 1 message in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Testing......is this thing on???=20=20=20=20 From: "Tom Ray" tomray@wor710.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message 1=20 From: "Tom Ray" tomray@wor710.com Date: Tue May 9, 2006 9:44am(PDT) Subject: Testing......is this thing on??? Just testing. I noticed the site was up and down starting Friday, and I haven't seen any new postings since then, so...... *THUNK!* *THUNK!* *THUNK!* Testing one. One, two. Check...... Tom Ray WOR ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed May 10 17:20:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96009 invoked from network); 11 May 2006 00:20:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2006 00:20:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30009.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.72) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2006 00:20:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 99906 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 2006 00:20:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20060511002053.99904.qmail@web30009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.169] by web30009.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 May 2006 17:20:53 PDT Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:20:53 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.72 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:10:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Testing......is this thing on??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=ZyvlzvV_GGR64ej1ctpRL62_O6Kc4LsRrM85lUby95A X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > And all the Mac users ask ... virus? What's a virus? Don't be so smug. There is a Mac virus recently let out. You DON'T want to get it.... Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From tomray@wor710.com Wed May 10 17:39:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99529 invoked from network); 11 May 2006 00:39:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2006 00:39:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2006 00:39:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2006 00:39:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2006 00:39:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 00:39:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Testing......is this thing on??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=7i1_2l628XAhpecvpIwyYlpwd3JvICAFZbLpfs78TIqQ0be2 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "K.T." wrote: > > > It's baaack. A major virus over the internet caused > > the problems. >=20 > My "kevtronics" account also got screwed up yesterday... Yahoo > claims it has been "deactivated" due to a "Terms of Service=20 > violation", which is completely BS because aside from a few > e-mails, I haven't even used it that much recently. I just got > off the phone with Yahoo and I will hopefully get this account=20 > reactivated, since I've used it since 1999 and it is the > registered "owner" of this group. Thankfully, Chris Cuff has > moderator priveleges here so he can help out in the meantime, > but there are a few things which only the "Group Owner" can do, > so I need to get that account back. But until further notice, > please redirect all e-mail to my other account: > amstereoexp@... >=20 > Kevin T. > That stinks. Let us know what you learn....it would be interesting to anyone contemplating putting together a Yahoo list....to see what they term a "violation of terms of service". Tom Ray WOR From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed May 10 18:05:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+0gtu+49+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94486 invoked from network); 11 May 2006 01:05:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2006 01:05:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2006 01:05:55 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.210]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 77117656 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 20:05:54 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ef01c67497$5652f9c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060509180008.85562.qmail@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 20:07:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 7, in=9, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.210 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tabletop HD radio a disapointment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=3T1Nt4YSshZ6jHX0MrBXX_1vpyfoHkDf3POHugNeMycZnrjOUvF4 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The Symphony chip never went into production. Before it was otherwise scheduled, the rest of Moto's semiconductor manufacturing was sold off to Freescale. I suppose we could try and find out if they have the necessary masks to make them, though. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." > He did note that due to the DSP chip (Motorola Symphony?) that this tabletop HD > radio did a great job of surpressing the IBOC digital hash compared to a > standard analog AM radio. From rwagoner@cox.net Wed May 10 18:41:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41737 invoked from network); 11 May 2006 01:34:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2006 01:34:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao04.cox.net) (68.230.241.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2006 01:34:14 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060511013414.WEZD17501.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 21:34:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <20060511002053.99904.qmail@web30009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060511002053.99904.qmail@web30009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <0F2D2B85-A766-4588-9D96-CABDD1FE7717@cox.net> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:34:11 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Testing......is this thing on??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=rKdHE1XyNqnNNwinca6wX-xG8ajcVGrdsjibzfQET3X1B4vuF-bOwcxBnQ4n X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nothing serious has shown up on any of the tech sites I frequent. There was talk of a vulnerability, but my understanding is that it was already patched. On May 10, 2006, at 5:20 PM, Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > > --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > > > And all the Mac users ask ... virus? What's a virus? > > Don't be so smug. There is a Mac virus recently let > out. You DON'T want to get it.... > > > Powell > > w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com > NNNN! > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Stereo High performance Digital radio > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Wed May 10 20:12:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8311 invoked from network); 11 May 2006 03:12:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2006 03:12:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.201) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2006 03:12:53 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n10.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2006 03:12:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2006 03:12:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2006 03:12:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 03:12:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c673f9$8f6d6540$d50bfea9@jim1db32qamp61> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.183.87 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: KABC AM 790 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=Ck8BnuoSTTYh6MOZqifUx5_ScXIlGk1XOP2H_r38qL5fbNs-dZmefw X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang I had just seen that KABC AM 790 is in mono as of 11:10 pm MAY 9t= h 2006. Thay=20 where on the list to be IBOC. Thay had change that list to just show the= on air stations now.=20 Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Not only have they gone IBOC but KABC 790 is NOT switching to C-Quam at nig= ht. So it looks as if Korean KFOX 1650 is the last C-Quam station for Los Angel= es. A sad day. db From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed May 10 20:51:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17838 invoked from network); 11 May 2006 03:49:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2006 03:49:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.189) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2006 03:49:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 24751 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 2006 03:49:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20060511034941.24749.qmail@web25804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.22.56] by web25804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 May 2006 20:49:41 PDT Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 20:49:41 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <44616754.7070507@skyweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Testing......is this thing on??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=JvE1ZbEDK1il_Ng5RdACKVqBSbu2rN3Xv-II0n2W8xTWuSJhobF7 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Dang I haven't heard of or seen OS/2 since like 1996 or 1997! Wow what a blast from the past. I was at Clemson University when people were still using that. -Kevin --- Neal Newman wrote: --------------------------------- I still say OS/2 was the Best OS out there.. virus??? what's that... Its like AM stereo...Cquam... great idea with little support.. Neal Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum SPONSORED LINKS Stereo High performance Digital radio --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed May 10 21:09:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24427 invoked from network); 11 May 2006 04:09:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2006 04:09:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.176.246) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2006 04:09:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 30154 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 2006 04:09:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20060511040928.30152.qmail@web25813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.22.56] by web25813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 May 2006 21:09:28 PDT Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:09:28 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <05ee01c6743a$b5bc2790$6505a8c0@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.176.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Testing......is this thing on??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=sqZVWBpNhIuBAOfX89imFLjRPHI6E06C67gEqZKBpsxdypO2Uxh_ X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke The Navy uses Windows 2000. I have a good friend in the Navy and he said that's all they use. -Kevin --- Possum Hunter wrote: --------------------------------- Neal Newman wrote: >I still say OS/2 was the Best OS out there.. virus??? what's that... OS/2 3.0 was a mostly Microsoft effort and is what became Windows NT, Windows 2000, Windows XP-Pro, Windows Vista. OS/2 2.0 is the system that IBM developed. OS/2 2.0 became OS/2Warp. the latest version, OS/2Warp4.52 was released in 2001 and removed from the market in December of 2005. The IBM End of Support date is December 26, 2006, But that isn't the End of OS/2Warp! OS/2 Warp Server for e-business or WSeB Is being marketed by Serenity Systems International as eComStation. eComStation 2.0 is now in Beta release with the full version to be released this year. go to http://ecomstation.com/ for details. In the mean time, IBM is considering releasing OS/2Warp4.x as open source software! Most banks and airlines use OS/2Warp as do many military contractors. > >virus??? what's that... OS/2 is virtually free of computer viruses. Its design possibly could have made it as vulnerable as Windows, but its reduced market share appears to have discouraged virus writers. There are, however, OS/2-based antivirus programs, dealing with DOS viruses and Windows viruses that could pass through an OS/2 server. I have an OS/2 Warp4 box. In some ways it is kind of clunky compared to other Operating Systems like Linux and OSX, but it is rock stable and compatible with most programs written for older versions of Windows. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum SPONSORED LINKS Stereo High performance Digital radio --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed May 10 21:11:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30919 invoked from network); 11 May 2006 04:07:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2006 04:07:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.193) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2006 04:07:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 12874 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 2006 04:07:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20060511040727.12872.qmail@web25808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.22.56] by web25808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 May 2006 21:07:27 PDT Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:07:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <380-220065310121253687@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Testing......is this thing on??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=XcN0-EtIKdcfdYX8LszJfUtIXFL9EEddNgp2HneLCuwICIygW5w7 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I wouldn't. System Restore is half of XP's problem. It lags the system and is always doing things in the background. Wait till you have a real crash, it's really no help. That is why they never included it on Windows 2000 yet they had it on that crappy Windows Millenium. I use Windows 2000 Pro and have never needed such poppycock. Windows 2000 was the best OS Microsoft ever put out period. It is the most stable and doesn't hog memory like XP. XP also has tons of spyware built in by yours truly, yep you guessed it, Microsoft! They spy on you! -Kevin --- Dick W wrote: --------------------------------- As a slightly "off-topic" remark, I would mention that Windows XP's feature "System Restore" is really great. If your system files become damaged or corrupted, you can view a calendar that allows you to pick a previous date (e.g., a date 2 months ago) back when your system was operating ok. Having selected that date, the system configuration from that old date is reinstalled, and your problems disappear. (Of course, if you have a virus, you still need an antivirus program for virus removal. Otherwise the problem will no doubt reappear.) An example for me was on a couple of occasions when I was downloading new definitions for Webroot Spysweeper. Because of other circumstances, I had to disconnect from my phone connection and shut down the computer. Later when I restarted, the antispyware program would no longer load up due to corruption that occurred during the interruption of the download. Although I could have reinstalled the antispyware program, it was much easier to use "System Restore" and go back a few days to a time when the system was operating all right. Once I utilized the earlier date's configuration, everything worked perfect, and I re-downloaded the updates for the antispyware program. "System Restore" only restores system files - it does not affect any data files that you may have. You don't lose any work you've created. I'm sure most XP users are familiar with this feature, but I thought I'd pass it on anyway. Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Amy Mousie > To: > Date: 5/10/2006 4:30:35 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Testing......is this thing on??? > > As someone who owns both Windows and Mac laptops (neither up to > current specs), it's safe to say that Mac OS X is really the better > OS- It's secure, crash-resistaqnt, and backed by BSD Unix, performs > well even on older (G3 or better) machines, and you can do almost > everything on a Mac as you can in Windows.. OS X is not like its > predecessors, and can be taken more seriously these days. > > As for user base, the percenjtage of Mac users actually has gone up > in recent years, now estimated at 10-12% of the PC market (previously > 2-8%, but if you figure in cheer unit numbers, even 2% is not easily > ignorable, because we're talking on the order of tens of millions, > just in the Mac corner. > > On Windows, I wouldn't trust Microsoft for anti-spyware (or > anything), so I recommend, as many before me, go for Spybot Search & > Destroy. I also recommend Grisoft's AVG (I use the Free Edition that > you can get at: http://free.grisoft.com/doc/1 ) and ZoneAlarm or some > otrher firewall solution. (I don't trust Norton or McAfee for > AV/security, having had bad experiences with both.) > > All that said, I'm glad Yahoo! Groups is operational again, and I > hope the moderator's woes with Yahoo! and his account are resolved > quickly and amicably. > > (I've been busy elsewhere, so I haven't been focusing too much on > Yahoo! Groups or anything else, for that matter.) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum SPONSORED LINKS Stereo High performance Digital radio --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed May 10 22:20:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8837 invoked from network); 11 May 2006 05:20:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2006 05:20:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.189) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2006 05:20:21 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n22.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2006 05:19:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2006 05:19:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2006 05:19:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 05:19:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.20.237 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: KABC AM 790 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=akdlg_kg09eCaJiUgm8kps66EgjpnzwDq_JCxSrl8zZusvSC X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" =20 wrote: > > So it looks as if Korean KFOX 1650 is the last C-Quam station for Los=20 Angeles. A sad day. Sad, indeed. Is KFOX broadcasting ANY stereo programming, or is it just=20 pilot-only, now? I haven't heard if they have any stereo programming at=20 night in the last couple years or so...WHEN I can receive them, up=20 here, some 600+ miles up the coast... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed May 10 22:21:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70627 invoked from network); 11 May 2006 05:21:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2006 05:21:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2006 05:21:59 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-77-88.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.51.77.88] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Fe3cX-0005eA-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 11 May 2006 01:21:53 -0400 Message-ID: <0b1b01c674ba$cf49b0d0$6505a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060511034941.24749.qmail@web25804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 01:21:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Testing......is this thing on??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=JH0V2mGoW12wCyi4YxnOlV1kPHohW_L4SY0jdc2h3fGr4MtMNEEdkgRDTVSWVg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: > Dang I haven't heard of or seen OS/2 since like 1996 or 1997! Just go to an ATM and you will see OS/2Warp in action! Most ATMs are OS/2Warp based. It is still very popular with Financial Institutions and Airlines. You will also see OS/2Warp running the Cash Registers at Bi-Lo Supermarkets. Lowe's Home Improvement Centers is still switching from OS/2 1.0 to Windows as they open new stores and computer hardware dies. You can see a screen shot of OS/2Warp4 here: http://www.kernelthread.com/mac/vpc/images/os2warp4.gif Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed May 10 22:50:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66368 invoked from network); 11 May 2006 05:50:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2006 05:50:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.199) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2006 05:50:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n8.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2006 05:50:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2006 05:50:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2006 05:50:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 05:50:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0b1b01c674ba$cf49b0d0$6505a8c0@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.20.237 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Testing......is this thing on??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=Zo8sFlUQXf0m1yXoiqaUzJNDzSBb1myb9xZKhSAV-0jH7fu9 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie The Washington Mutual ATMs here, as well as the California State=20 Lottery's lotto machines are currently using a Flash-based kiosk OS. And I have a an OS/2 Warp 3.0 box here...on floppies... I did use it=20 for some a while. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From oldphones@webtv.net Thu May 11 15:48:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58415 invoked from network); 11 May 2006 22:48:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2006 22:48:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.137) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2006 22:48:26 -0000 Received: from storefull-3337.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 10E735C313; Thu, 11 May 2006 15:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3337.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id PAA07001; Thu, 11 May 2006 15:48:25 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQcW+pkl8bRgHgDeVdz8y1ZW5gUqwIVAIKBJ318NANp7En1URIUpUtkGG28 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:48:25 -0500 To: oldphones12@msn.com, ABDX@topica.com, CMElogs@americanbroadcastdx.com, amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereoguy@hotmail.com, ccuff@in4web.com, mexicotvdx@yahoo.com, quozl1@earthlink.net, drtillmancg10@webtv.net, florida_amstereo@hotmail.com, dlh@donnahalper.com, timkeene@atlanticbb.net, gary@thejoneses.com, garyomaha@cox.net, ien3@hotmail.com, niven43@yahoo.com, johnnyelectron@buckeye-express.com, W0WRT@webtv.net, toledohamradio@yahoo.com, big_h00pla@yahoo.com, amfmdx@fastq.com, amfmdx@qwest.net, michaelj@vcn.com, w7msl@tconl.com, nelf21@aol.com, JFP@innovativecontrolscorp.com, w4opw@yahoo.com, 10Kc@fmtc.com, stevenwisebl@hotmail.com, stodd@mpcinternet.net, texas4421@usadatanet.net Message-ID: <92-4463BF39-894@storefull-3337.bay.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Move and e-Mail Change X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783; y=qxyc6r2k47xDjlr7e0SDneen2svp0YCyb3glPNsCd4_7t-Kv9g X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I am changing ISP's and will be moving to my Dad;s house in South Omaha, as he is 80 years old,And just had a heart by-pass (5 arteries ) done and is recuperating. I will probably port my landline number to the cell phone 402- 618- 6089 My lease is up on June 30th so the move is an on going process.. The Web TV .net address still works, but will likely be phased out after a while..... Please Note my NEW e- Mail address: oldphones12@msn.com I will probably go to digest form on the ABDX lists and AM Stereo lists. Bill Snyder Omaha, NE Thank You!! Oldphones@ webtv. net cell (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 593-6841 Omaha, Nebraska I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items, and a lot more!! http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 NEW E MAIL Address is: oldphones12@msn.com Make a note of it!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wnmb@sc.rr.com Thu May 11 17:32:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2940 invoked from network); 12 May 2006 00:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2006 00:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.187) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2006 00:32:45 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2006 00:31:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2006 00:31:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2006 00:31:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 00:31:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.211.44.209 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: Another AM Stereo Station Coming!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=faR7AiBB-n0jN3GYd1u7BGyakfnaHg45rw7UrgFp6F3A2Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Got a call today from Bob Souza at KCKN in Roswell, New Mexico. It is=20 a 50kw. AM at 1020. The station is converting to AM Stereo (c-quam)=20 very shortly. They have a web site at KCKN1020.com I am continuing to hear from other broadcasters who are interested in=20 providing the best analog signal they can do.=20=20 As always, all of you are welcome to come visit in North Myrtle Beach! Bill. wnmb. From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Thu May 11 17:40:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39186 invoked from network); 12 May 2006 00:40:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2006 00:40:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2006 00:40:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2006 00:40:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2006 00:40:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 00:40:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.89 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.210.22 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: KABC AM 790 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=cMq-H7Iy64B5uRzO5ydrzbtzuA1SsLkZyyQxRgIks32p9Cebf9e53w X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" =20 > wrote: > > > > So it looks as if Korean KFOX 1650 is the last C-Quam station for Los=20 > Angeles. A sad day. >=20 > Sad, indeed. Is KFOX broadcasting ANY stereo programming, or is it just=20 > pilot-only, now? I haven't heard if they have any stereo programming at=20 > night in the last couple years or so...WHEN I can receive them, up=20 > here, some 600+ miles up the coast... >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > You know, I have yet to hear any true stereo content coming from KFOX.=20 So they may be broadcasting as pilot-only. db From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu May 11 18:22:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28450 invoked from network); 12 May 2006 01:22:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2006 01:22:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.81) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2006 01:22:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:21:39 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.43 by BAY106-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 12 May 2006 01:21:35 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 01:21:35 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 May 2006 01:21:39.0475 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B570E30:01C67562] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another AM Stereo Station Coming!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=PooWXEmNmhF2DhNpE7IClxBYCJFUx-OTq1cl6b3yT3VzwaEypPR58luI8mU X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Bill, You mentioned in a prior email that you had heard from a station in Florida that was thinking about going a.m. stereo; I know you may not be at liberty to say which station, but I am keeping my fingers crossed that it's either WJNA-640 in West Palm Beach/Boca, WVLG-640 in The Villages (they used to be in C-quam stereo) or WQYK-1010 (also used to be in C-quam stereo) in Tampa; all have music formats and would sound great in stereo. Donn, St Petersburg -----Original Message----- From: Bill Norman Sent: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:31:30 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Another AM Stereo Station Coming!!!! Got a call today from Bob Souza at KCKN in Roswell, New Mexico. It is a 50kw. AM at 1020. The station is converting to AM Stereo (c-quam) very shortly. They have a web site at KCKN1020.com I am continuing to hear from other broadcasters who are interested in providing the best analog signal they can do. As always, all of you are welcome to come visit in North Myrtle Beach! Bill. wnmb. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Thu May 11 19:45:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61444 invoked from network); 12 May 2006 02:45:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2006 02:45:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2006 02:45:24 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.46] (pool-70-111-223-198.nwrk.east.verizon.net [70.111.223.198]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k4C2itTf044427 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 22:44:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <4463F6BF.9030106@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 22:45:19 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20060511040928.30152.qmail@web25813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060511040928.30152.qmail@web25813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.6.128.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Testing......is this thing on??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145; y=2qS-2m9ZAwIGbTROUQxwoEpFEcPPLu77GGGxDFF4UE1mcg X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Exactly Kevin OS/2 was a true multitasking OS.. I ran a Huge BBS in my area for years...PCBOARD with 64 nodes... I was using 16 PC's and DOS 6.22 with DesQview and novell for my networking but just before Clark development went out of business their lead programmer David Terry Ported PCBOARD to native OS/2... I went from 16 PC's down to 2...... I was running 32 nodes on each machine. and the machines were 486 DX 50's using 4 Gtek 8 port cards in each machine.. it was Flawless.... I loved OS/2 shame I lost my install disks I still have 2 workstations 486 Dx 50s with OS/2 on them.. would love to install Warp on a newer machine. just to play.... Ill bet it would really Fly on a pent 4 1gig Neal >--------------------------------- >Neal Newman wrote: > > >>I still say OS/2 was the Best OS out there.. >> >> >virus??? what's that... > >OS/2 3.0 was a mostly Microsoft effort and is what >became Windows NT, Windows 2000, Windows XP-Pro, >Windows Vista. > >OS/2 2.0 is the system that IBM developed. OS/2 2.0 >became OS/2Warp. the latest version, OS/2Warp4.52 was >released in 2001 and removed from the market in >December of 2005. The IBM End of Support date is >December 26, 2006, But that isn't the End of OS/2Warp! >OS/2 Warp Server for e-business or WSeB Is being >marketed by Serenity Systems International as >eComStation. eComStation 2.0 is now in Beta release >with the full version to be released this year. go to >http://ecomstation.com/ for details. > >In the mean time, IBM is considering releasing >OS/2Warp4.x as open source software! > >Most banks and airlines use OS/2Warp as do many >military contractors. > > >>virus??? what's that... >> >> > >OS/2 is virtually free of computer viruses. Its design >possibly could have made it as vulnerable as Windows, >but its reduced market share appears to have >discouraged virus writers. There are, however, >OS/2-based antivirus programs, dealing with DOS >viruses and Windows viruses that could pass through an >OS/2 server. > >I have an OS/2 Warp4 box. In some ways it is kind of >clunky compared to other Operating Systems like Linux >and OSX, but it is rock stable and compatible with >most programs written for older versions of Windows. > >Kevin in The Ocala National Forest >There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. >>From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in >frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Stereo > High performance > Digital radio > > >--------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! >Terms of Service. > > >--------------------------------- > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu May 11 20:36:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58061 invoked from network); 12 May 2006 03:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2006 03:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2006 03:36:19 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-77-88.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.51.77.88] helo=PossumHunter) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FeORt-0004Xe-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 11 May 2006 23:36:17 -0400 Message-ID: <047c01c67575$3837eb10$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060511040928.30152.qmail@web25813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4463F6BF.9030106@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 23:36:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: OS/2 Was:Testing......is this thing on??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=MY3jSNqzyOIoDI-MS9GRbBA5kFfNtYatVMqQEfzNtIbT0mb4-mcfcsl8y4i7fA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Neal Newman wrote: >I loved OS/2 shame I lost my install disks Look around on the file share networks. I have seen both OS/2 Warp3 and OS/2 Warp 4.0 on Emule. > > Ill bet it would really Fly on a pent 4 1gig I have OS/2 on a P3 and it ROCKS! I have been playing with Wine on my Linux box. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu May 11 21:27:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99862 invoked from network); 12 May 2006 04:27:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2006 04:27:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.211) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2006 04:27:21 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2006 04:26:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2006 04:26:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2006 04:26:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 04:26:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.143.22.112 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: KABC AM 790 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=yHVJbBtzxlPvI_6c06TnHwaEZINJqaS6D_7Ev18Gw9QrS7_3F9c_CC6OONWziWv5YKnsiRgV X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" =20 > > wrote: > > > > > > So it looks as if Korean KFOX 1650 is the last C-Quam station=20 for Los=20 > > Angeles. A sad day. > >=20 > > Sad, indeed. Is KFOX broadcasting ANY stereo programming, or is=20 it just=20 > > pilot-only, now? I haven't heard if they have any stereo=20 programming at=20 > > night in the last couple years or so...WHEN I can receive them,=20 up=20 > > here, some 600+ miles up the coast... > >=20 > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > >=20 > You know, I have yet to hear any true stereo content coming from=20 KFOX.=20 >=20 > So they may be broadcasting as pilot-only. >=20 > db > Hi Gang I was wondering if KABC AM 790 was TXing boath Hell of a=20 Disapointment Radio and AM STEREO? Jim Smith From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu May 11 21:47:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36872 invoked from network); 12 May 2006 04:47:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2006 04:47:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.186) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2006 04:47:30 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2006 04:47:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2006 04:47:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2006 04:47:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 04:47:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.1.194 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: KABC AM 790 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=s-E7ez1_k2wzqCh_FWzTA1KmI_0u573t_GPOy7bT2LqzF47y X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" =20 wrote: > > Hi Gang I was wondering if KABC AM 790 was TXing boath Hell of a=20 > Disapointment Radio and AM STEREO? Jim Smith Jim, as you yourself noted, there not broadcasting AMS at night, and=20 it's impossible to have IBOC and C-QUAM on at the same time, because=20 IBOC uses the quadrature (L-R channel) for radio data. Looks like if there's any C-QUAM left in California, it's from the=20 smaller communities or from personal transmitters. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner@cox.net Thu May 11 21:51:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72638 invoked from network); 12 May 2006 04:51:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2006 04:51:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao05.cox.net) (68.230.241.34) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2006 04:51:17 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060512045041.RZCI25666.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 00:50:41 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <4C7965E9-3C60-4CC0-B0FE-A3B529271D7B@cox.net> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 21:50:40 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KABC AM 790 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=WzRMJ8-Jw9PnlhmT6S7byHPVBOGFY3C87frS-XHCvzQ0K9rTCAX1gvD0iyIa X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For now at least KABC has wider band audio than many others. Sounds so much nicer. On May 11, 2006, at 5:40 PM, dbdigital2004 wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" > > wrote: > > > > > > So it looks as if Korean KFOX 1650 is the last C-Quam station > for Los > > Angeles. A sad day. > > > > Sad, indeed. Is KFOX broadcasting ANY stereo programming, or is > it just > > pilot-only, now? I haven't heard if they have any stereo > programming at > > night in the last couple years or so...WHEN I can receive them, up > > here, some 600+ miles up the coast... > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > You know, I have yet to hear any true stereo content coming from KFOX. > > So they may be broadcasting as pilot-only. > > db > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Stereo High performance Digital radio > > YAHOO! 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Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu May 11 22:39:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8395 invoked from network); 12 May 2006 05:39:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2006 05:39:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.205) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2006 05:39:50 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2006 05:39:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2006 05:39:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2006 05:39:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 05:39:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.143.1.103 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: KABC AM 790 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=pzL2zEo3nXafQgDVezQOuTy72he7R7QwKdo3M1AkEN0srTOaVcY_jJM4GM6mOerAcfG6HoTA X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" =20 > wrote: > > > > Hi Gang I was wondering if KABC AM 790 was TXing boath Hell of a=20 > > Disapointment Radio and AM STEREO? Jim Smith >=20 > Jim, as you yourself noted, there not broadcasting AMS at night, and=20 > it's impossible to have IBOC and C-QUAM on at the same time, because=20 > IBOC uses the quadrature (L-R channel) for radio data. >=20 > Looks like if there's any C-QUAM left in California, it's from the=20 > smaller communities or from personal transmitters. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Hi Amy What i have understand at one time some one said that thay=20 where going to try C-QuAM at night and HD Radio dering the day. JS From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu May 11 23:24:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66714 invoked from network); 12 May 2006 06:24:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2006 06:24:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.88) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2006 06:24:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2006 06:24:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2006 06:24:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 06:24:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.1.194 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: KABC AM 790 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=3EQdANvvv42o1bwrzTgCf6wpMWia7l6BOb94z_DUeJjHgzgj X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" =20 wrote: > > Hi Amy What i have understand at one time some one said that thay=20 > where going to try C-QuAM at night and HD Radio dering the day. JS If I recall correctly, that would be WLS in Chicago. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu May 11 23:33:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37842 invoked from network); 12 May 2006 06:33:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2006 06:33:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2006 06:33:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n16.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2006 06:33:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2006 06:33:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 06:33:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.142.242.38 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: KABC AM 790 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=CVMU8UGxj0f34mfyqgn4ijjqMjgIJ7i7eNVAdaza5LkfvXhLfmfG5OvItcbEpDAHnl-mljVl X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" =20 > wrote: > > > > Hi Amy What i have understand at one time some one said that thay=20 > > where going to try C-QuAM at night and HD Radio dering the day. JS >=20 > If I recall correctly, that would be WLS in Chicago. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Hi Amy Its Still sad . And WLS go to Hell of a Disapointment Radio? JS From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri May 12 00:33:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10714 invoked from network); 12 May 2006 07:33:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2006 07:33:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2006 07:33:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2006 07:33:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2006 07:33:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 07:33:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.34.6 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: KABC AM 790 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=S0nvmuRNgHhhspY91rU09CeJs-UG300CwoiHTqrJ9AtTqQqz X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" =20 wrote: > Hi Amy Its Still sad . And WLS go to Hell of a Disapointment Radio?=20 Yes, thanks to the corporates who own the station. Don't blame the=20 engineer, as he'd rather keep the Chicago-area former-ABC stations in C- QUAM AM stereo.... *grr* I don't like corporates.... Idiots who really have no clue! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From bradleyj2@aol.com Fri May 12 12:35:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: BradleyJ2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38623 invoked from network); 12 May 2006 19:34:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2006 19:34:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2006 19:34:56 -0000 Received: from BradleyJ2@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.301.4b3951a (16086) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 15:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MBLK-M37 (mblk-m37.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.81]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v109.12) with ESMTP id MAILINID103-3ed64464e347318; Fri, 12 May 2006 15:34:31 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 15:34:31 -0400 Message-Id: <8C8441239C1B03D-1EB0-A4@MBLK-M37.sysops.aol.com> References: Received: from 216.108.218.61 by MBLK-M37.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.81) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 12 May 2006 15:34:31 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 17385 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.136.81 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: bradleyj2@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another AM Stereo Station Coming!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=168165669; y=ZaYgeMmZ_ZZpx6iORvXg7McJHXm_36S1BkCe8q1VLsz-TK2sfmA X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And another new AM Stereo station is now on here in Dothan, AL. WGZS AM 700. It's a daytime only station playing oldies. They've had the pilot on for about 3 months...But I got an e-mail earlier this week (and I have confirmed) that there is indeed seperation now. I'll get an aircheck ASAP. Brad -----Original Message----- From: Bill Norman To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 12 May 2006 00:31:30 -0000 Subject: {AMSF} Another AM Stereo Station Coming!!!! Got a call today from Bob Souza at KCKN in Roswell, New Mexico. It is a 50kw. AM at 1020. The station is converting to AM Stereo (c-quam) very shortly. They have a web site at KCKN1020.com I am continuing to hear from other broadcasters who are interested in providing the best analog signal they can do. As always, all of you are welcome to come visit in North Myrtle Beach! Bill. wnmb. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri May 12 18:05:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+toTd+51+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26258 invoked from network); 13 May 2006 01:05:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2006 01:05:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2006 01:05:02 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.95]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 77450627 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 20:05:00 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <005b01c67629$8dc0d740$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 20:07:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.047000 Subject has lots of exclamation marks=1.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 71, in=51, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.95 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another AM Stereo Station Coming!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=3wnmVEYM6jkEh5vmC4skwpgtNo12TeIgPjBVs_Rp9IIsj1czYOMF X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Letting the ETs know we haven't thoroughly lost it here on earth... Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Norman" Got a call today from Bob Souza at KCKN in Roswell, New Mexico. It is a 50kw. AM at 1020. The station is converting to AM Stereo (c-quam) very shortly. From labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net Fri May 12 18:20:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87585 invoked from network); 13 May 2006 01:20:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2006 01:20:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2006 01:20:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2006 01:20:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2006 01:20:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 01:20:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.12.212 From: "Scott Higbee" Subject: Re: KABC AM 790 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=257511206; y=44eO_PLDSj5h3kU-Okz7Lr9GqakfZV9pl3DQRHJH--JnPGgAIdgT0-R36eVSHu0D10mh2w X-Yahoo-Profile: labonte43nc --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" =20 > wrote: >=20 > > Hi Amy Its Still sad . And WLS go to Hell of a Disapointment=20 Radio?=20 >=20 > Yes, thanks to the corporates who own the station. Don't blame the=20 > engineer, as he'd rather keep the Chicago-area former-ABC stations=20 in C- > QUAM AM stereo.... >=20 > *grr* I don't like corporates.... Idiots who really have no clue! >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > When was WLS-AM Stereo 890 going to throw the switch? They were=20 still broadcasting C-Quam today. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 12 20:04:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94110 invoked from network); 13 May 2006 03:04:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2006 03:04:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.26) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2006 03:04:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2006 03:04:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2006 03:04:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 03:04:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.250.34.112 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Testing......is this thing on??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=wyj_yh27FmqffdLMMfcdOBb5vB6pFDG12_9rcKVW7S08Sn9aQw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > That stinks. Let us know what you learn....it would be interesting > to anyone contemplating putting together a Yahoo list....to see > what they term a "violation of terms of service". >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR After a call, e-mail, and three-day wait, Yahoo reactivated my=20 account today. They gave no explanation of what went wrong; just "we apologize for the inconvenience". From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Fri May 12 20:40:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65213 invoked from network); 13 May 2006 03:40:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2006 03:40:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.199) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2006 03:40:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n8.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2006 03:40:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2006 03:40:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2006 03:40:32 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 03:40:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.210.22 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: KABC AM 790 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=afrL6jCeAWMHSGJ0nFX68cdh2WXZnBwEMl1jLuZTeSYRRPejqxRipQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" =20 > wrote: >=20 > > Hi Amy Its Still sad . And WLS go to Hell of a Disapointment Radio?=20 >=20 > Yes, thanks to the corporates who own the station. Don't blame the=20 > engineer, as he'd rather keep the Chicago-area former-ABC stations in C- > QUAM AM stereo.... >=20 > *grr* I don't like corporates.... Idiots who really have no clue! >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Not only do they not have a clue but it could be argued that corporate radi= o is to blame for=20 what is shaping up to be the demise of radio in the U.S. Take the incident involving WWPR and some moronic dj named Star who, on a r= ecent=20 morning show, made both racist remarks and threats of child endangerment ag= ainst the=20 daughter of a rival dj. It may seem unrelated to corporate radio causing th= e downfall of=20 this medium in America but is really symptomatic of it. With their pathelo= gical obsession=20 with ratings, corporate radio, particularly in the top 20 markets, has been= pushing to make=20 their morning shows and their dj's more controversial, more obscene and as = incindiary as=20 possible. After all, someone has to fill the Howard Stern void. But even = Stern had his=20 limits such as not targeting the underage children of celebrities. But app= arently some,=20 such as Troi Torain, are too stupid or too pushed to know when to stop. The= result has=20 been radio that, for the most part, has gone beyond vulgar to being embarra= ssing and=20 unlistenable.=20=20 Even if controversy is not the aim, the quest for ratings has resulted in a= borg-like=20 sameness from stations owned by giant media corporations. In L.A., we have = over 40=20 commercial radio stations. Since they all want to be #1 or in the top five= , about half sound=20 like clones of the current #1 station. In this regard, I have to give kudos= to Saul Levine who=20 has thrown out the Arbitron book and kept his station's formats as Adult St= andards and=20 Classical. If not for him, we would not have these formats in L.A./Orange C= ounty area. But=20 he appreciates niche programming and knows that he has a loyal cadre of lis= teners. It's=20 too bad these media congloms don't. Now if we can only persuade Saul to make KKGO C-Quam. db From labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net Sun May 14 20:22:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78186 invoked from network); 15 May 2006 03:22:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2006 03:22:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2006 03:22:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2006 03:22:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2006 03:22:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 03:22:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.38.153.240 From: "Scott Higbee" Subject: WION-1430 AM STEREO? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=257511206; y=A99j3X8X2LfdHH3zDwhdfncA562O6v0OCjK2n5eKgZHGUBj1-MotgD_4raeGs5rGW4sA7w X-Yahoo-Profile: labonte43nc I just received an e-mail from Ionia,Michigan based WION-AM 1430.=20=20 I thought you may like to read the contents. >>>>Good Evening, Scott! =20 Nice to hear from you, and welcome aboard WION!=20=20 To address your question, yes, our transmitter is AM stereo ready.=20 The digital card that generates the "CQUAM" stereo came with the new=20 transmitter. It is not installed at present, however. =20 We may activate it at some point in time. There are still some good=20 car stereos with CQUAM built in, GM and Jeep had them up until=20 recently. One of the reasons we did not activate yet, is that until=20 about two months ago, the studio was in mono. If you look at our=20 tour page, you'll see an improved on air board, and all of our feeds=20 re now in stereo up to the control board, a new one. Many=20 improvesments re going into the station. We are "stereo ready", but=20 we have some other (technical) projects that will take our=20 attention first. =20 AM stereo is tough to pump through multiple-tower antenna systems,=20 so we have to have the antennas tested for this yet. And, on the=20 horizon, there is a medium called "Hi-Def" AM which uses our=20 existing carrier to bring you STEREO digital quality as good or=20 better than FM if you are in the strong signal areas of WION.=20 Eventually, since we have the transmitter capable of this, it is=20 more likely. However, if we are able to push your CQUAM format=20 through, we may throw the switch on it when I (we) upgrade the=20 processing of the station to duplicate two channels. =20 Have I made this complicated? I hope not. I think we would be great=20 sounding in AM stereo....it used to be said that AM stereo reduced=20 the fringe listening, but I don't think so. =20 It is under consideration, and I MORE than appreciate your writing=20 us. Every listener is important. We're a team of folks who FINALLY=20 got to do radio in a small town and do it the way we feel is right.=20 Local. Friendly. Family. Its all here as you know. =20 Again, our thanks, keep in touch, and feel free to contact me or=20 call if you need any more info. We appreciate you! =20 Jim Carlyle President and Manager, WION<<<< =20 From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon May 15 09:20:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18003 invoked from network); 15 May 2006 16:20:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2006 16:20:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2006 16:20:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 2171 invoked by uid 60001); 15 May 2006 16:19:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20060515161957.2169.qmail@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.224] by web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 May 2006 09:19:57 PDT Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 09:19:57 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Someone's trying to kill this list? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=x_jwbm9R5nNs0QFrTSDQ05CgVKMb09W0cjqalkzquyk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I've been getting mails from Yahoo claiming I put in an abuse complaint. I just got one from Yahoo groups claiming I made a complaint about a spam originating HERE with Kevin's listowner address. I just sent a complaint about that to abuse at Yahoo groups and I said I thought someone might have harvested email adresses and made a false complaint to Yahoo about this and this group. I have saved the mail and copied EVERYthing to Yahoo in my email. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From groucho@skyweb.net Mon May 15 09:46:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17092 invoked from network); 15 May 2006 16:46:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2006 16:46:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2006 16:46:51 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.46] (pool-70-111-223-198.nwrk.east.verizon.net [70.111.223.198]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k4FGj6E0081772 for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 12:45:06 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <4468B02A.9070706@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 12:45:30 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 66.6.128.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} WION-1430 AM STEREO? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145; y=WTtjI3EcqB_oxBH88rq9v-w0pznLyCEbPt9l8BtKPovSYA X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Scott I also wrote to Jim quoting some of his statement some of which makes no sense along with my phone# and link to my tranmsmitter website. This way he knows Im an engineer in the business dealing with both IBOC and C-Quam stations maybe he will write back or call Me... Neal From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon May 15 09:55:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69203 invoked from network); 15 May 2006 16:39:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2006 16:39:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2006 16:39:50 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-77-88.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.51.77.88] helo=PossumHunter) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Ffg47-0003mA-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 15 May 2006 12:37:04 -0400 Message-ID: <046701c6783d$c839fee0$6505a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060515161957.2169.qmail@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 12:36:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Someone's trying to kill this list? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=MuIJu9t1AM67-ptvuysyEGTYjzYZFogCNNeTLyYsJPZJFXUeHXrHzcSdgxScBw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Can you post the emails to the list? It would be interesting to find out what asshole is doing this. Could it be somebody from Ibiquity? Nah, they would NEVER do that! rite. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" To: Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: {AMSF} Someone's trying to kill this list? > I've been getting mails from Yahoo claiming I put in > an abuse complaint. I just got one from Yahoo groups > claiming I made a complaint about a spam originating > HERE with Kevin's listowner address. I just sent a > complaint about that to abuse at Yahoo groups and I > said I thought someone might have harvested email > adresses and made a false complaint to Yahoo about > this and this group. I have saved the mail and copied > EVERYthing to Yahoo in my email. > > > Powell > > w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com > NNNN! > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From tomray@wor710.com Mon May 15 10:01:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52443 invoked from network); 15 May 2006 17:01:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2006 17:01:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.76) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2006 17:01:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2006 16:59:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2006 16:59:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 16:59:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.76 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Testing......is this thing on??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=kQXDw-QrIvJ0-eki1y36UvMK3L8o_Om2Xl2HFLhiwivqbI2x X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > That stinks. Let us know what you learn....it would be interesting > > to anyone contemplating putting together a Yahoo list....to see > > what they term a "violation of terms of service". > >=20 > > Tom Ray > > WOR >=20 > After a call, e-mail, and three-day wait, Yahoo reactivated my=20 > account today. They gave no explanation of what went wrong; just > "we apologize for the inconvenience". > Gee...isn't THAT special!! The least they can do is tell you what went wrong. Maybe it was an honest mistake....they happen....but to leave you in the dark?? TR From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon May 15 10:07:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81632 invoked from network); 15 May 2006 17:07:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2006 17:07:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.68) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2006 17:07:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 12215 invoked by uid 60001); 15 May 2006 17:07:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20060515170737.12212.qmail@web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.224] by web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 May 2006 10:07:37 PDT Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 10:07:37 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <046701c6783d$c839fee0$6505a8c0@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Here's what was sent to Yahoo ....that I didn't do! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=jaiavLmvjWFOBkNcKnfTKBZLs8a1R98I7Kxe5jKRUSw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Can you post the emails to the list? It would be > interesting to find out > what asshole is doing this. > > Could it be somebody from Ibiquity? Nah, they would > NEVER do that! rite. OK here it is. I am cutting out the main spam message. Note the so called offending spam is faked and SO is my complaint to Ebay. It looks like it might have come from aol, but headers can be faked? I don't use aol. It's not on any computers I use. Powell ************************************************** Hello Powell, Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Groups. We appreciate your report of possible abuse in Yahoo! Groups. The owner and/or moderator is responsible for maintaining the content of the group and can remove any material (or a member) that is in violation of the Yahoo! Terms of Service (TOS) and/or Community Guidelines. We recommend contacting the owner/moderator regarding your concerns. You can do so by sending an email to: (groupname)-owner@yahoogroups.com Please continue to notify us of any questionable content you find in Yahoo! Groups, especially if you are still concerned after you have contacted the owner/moderator. Yahoo! is very concerned about preventing the abuse of Groups, and we will continue to evaluate any material that violates the Yahoo! Terms of Service. For more information about the Yahoo! TOS, please visit: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Thank you again for contacting Yahoo! Customer Care. Regards, George Smith Yahoo! Customer Care http://www.yahoo.com/ 22526712 Original Message Follows: ------------------------- >>REDFRMADV Mail-Id: 1147380293-8301 Name: Powell E. Way III Yahoo! ID: w4opw Yahoo! ID: amstereoexp The spam you are reporting: CLEARANCE NOTIFICATION "Return-Path: (amstereoexp@yahoo.com)" "Received: from rly-yb05.mx.aol.com (rly-yb05.mail.aol.com " [172.18.205.137]) by air-yb04.mail.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINYB42-1a0445726e218c; Tue, 02 May 2006 05:31:37 -0400 "Received: from web25607.mail.yahoo.com (web25607.mail.yahoo.com " [217.12.10.166]) by rly-yb05.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYB56-1a0445726e218c; Tue, 02 May 2006 05:31:15 -0400 "Received: (qmail 25774 invoked by uid 60001); 2 May 2006 " 09:31:14 -0000 "DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws;" s=s1024; d=yahoo.es; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME- Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1TeMau8bJG8/P8zFQkN09/kDQd8251gE8FSwWTtb8t49w9Ej3Qc64JhoPFzcnW2 i1sKC3WT5V4tR5E6KiQlu70ELH1ol2wbxirhzKmrTrYzgDjD90bcWpupfz1AcGNLu ZVSUt4WUc5hWVBfX5mKninHTRmo3Y9ffcIvPl5S88Ek= ; "Message-ID: (20060502093114.25772.qmail@web25607.mail.yahoo.com)" "Received: from [66.178.40.28] by web25607.mail.yahoo.com via " HTTP; Tue, 02 May 2006 11:31:14 CEST "Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 11:31:14 +0200 (CEST)" "From: "K.T.," (amstereoexp@yahoo.com)" "Subject: CLEARANCE NOTIFICATION" "To: w4pow@aol.com" "In-Reply-To: (409.87cb67.31884cfa@aol.com)" "MIME-Version: 1.0" "Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-773929035-" 1146562274=:25442" "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit" "X-AOL-IP: 217.12.10.166" "X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:5:88815433:11542724" "X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1" CLEARANCE NOTIFICATION "IN FAVOUR OF: Lucky Winner" "OUR REF: TRGB/046-934/09/02335" 2nd May 2006 Note...main body of spam cut out Yours Faithfully, K.T. Any additional feedback: Shut this user down. Also shut down his yahoo group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereofo rum He has made negetive comments regarding Yahoo and he is obviously doing something that violates Yahoos TOS. Thank you, Powell E. Way III While Viewing: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/guidelines/spam.html Form Name: http://add2.dir.scd.yahoo.com/fast/help/us/mail/cgi_spam Yahoo ID: kc4qlp : Yahoo id from cookie https://amt.yahoo.com/amt/dosearch?.token=pLxRMFjRMh3sUm6J5zoMfOmS19n_3MM42p5vJg-- : Yahoo id from form https://amt.yahoo.com/amt/dosearch?.token=RJzqAaHRMh0OY3kJBGqsSxm_vOfIUgl0d9mT Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; AOL 8.0; Windows NT 5.0) REMOTE_ADDR: 152.163.100.136 REMOTE_HOST: unknown Date Originated: Thursday May 11, 2006 - 13:44:53 ------- w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon May 15 17:54:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10157 invoked from network); 16 May 2006 00:54:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2006 00:54:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.71) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2006 00:54:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 7190 invoked by uid 60001); 16 May 2006 00:54:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20060516005441.7188.qmail@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.216] by web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 May 2006 17:54:41 PDT Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 17:54:41 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Testing......is this thing on??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=YxSCZN7WPuJmn-6bUsYFE0L5_faETdsOssEK_c936jI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > > > That stinks. Let us know what you learn....it > would be interesting > > > to anyone contemplating putting together a Yahoo > list....to see > > > what they term a "violation of terms of > service". > > > > > > Tom Ray > > > WOR > > > > After a call, e-mail, and three-day wait, Yahoo > reactivated my > > account today. They gave no explanation of what > went wrong; just > > "we apologize for the inconvenience". > > > > Gee...isn't THAT special!! The least they can do is > tell you what > went wrong. Maybe it was an honest mistake....they > happen....but to > leave you in the dark?? > TR Tom, I think someone was trying to kill this group and GRRR!.....they forged MY email address in the complaint, and it LOOKS like it originated from aol, but that's hard to really tell. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From bccphotec@yahoo.com Mon May 15 19:12:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bccphotec@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73578 invoked from network); 16 May 2006 02:12:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2006 02:12:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.181) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2006 02:12:43 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2006 02:12:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2006 02:12:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2006 02:12:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 02:12:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060516005441.7188.qmail@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.101.57.113 From: "bccphotec" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Testing......is this thing on??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142011300; y=eHNDnqTQ10-0sJ8WuPZk7-q8Loi64clrh7MJMLhoHQZpNuOT X-Yahoo-Profile: bccphotec --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > >=20 >=20 > --- Tom Ray wrote: >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > > wrote: > > > > > > > That stinks. Let us know what you learn....it > > would be interesting > > > > to anyone contemplating putting together a Yahoo > > list....to see > > > > what they term a "violation of terms of > > service". > > > >=20 > > > > Tom Ray > > > > WOR > > >=20 > > > After a call, e-mail, and three-day wait, Yahoo > > reactivated my=20 > > > account today. They gave no explanation of what > > went wrong; just > > > "we apologize for the inconvenience". > > > > >=20 > > Gee...isn't THAT special!! The least they can do is > > tell you what > > went wrong. Maybe it was an honest mistake....they > > happen....but to > > leave you in the dark?? >=20 > > TR >=20 > Tom, >=20 > I think someone was trying to kill this group and > GRRR!.....they forged MY email address in the > complaint, and it LOOKS like it originated from aol, > but that's hard to really tell.=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 >=20 >=20 > w4opw@... > NNNN! > I don't know, maybe just a goofy detail. But the first thing I noticed was the spelling of "favour" with the u. Generally, to me that says Canada or England. Just a thought, don't know if it means anything. From tomray@wor710.com Tue May 16 09:22:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32901 invoked from network); 16 May 2006 16:22:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2006 16:22:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.211) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2006 16:22:09 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2006 16:21:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2006 16:21:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2006 16:21:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 16:21:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060516005441.7188.qmail@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.246.98.230 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Testing......is this thing on??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=1vu97Tqc9sPHserFwVj_y1HAzc0cDwz7TxYBTMEvbYGtBbZ3 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 >=20 > --- Tom Ray wrote: >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > > wrote: > > > > > > > That stinks. Let us know what you learn....it > > would be interesting > > > > to anyone contemplating putting together a Yahoo > > list....to see > > > > what they term a "violation of terms of > > service". > > > >=20 > > > > Tom Ray > > > > WOR > > >=20 > > > After a call, e-mail, and three-day wait, Yahoo > > reactivated my=20 > > > account today. They gave no explanation of what > > went wrong; just > > > "we apologize for the inconvenience". > > > > >=20 > > Gee...isn't THAT special!! The least they can do is > > tell you what > > went wrong. Maybe it was an honest mistake....they > > happen....but to > > leave you in the dark?? >=20 > > TR >=20 > Tom, >=20 > I think someone was trying to kill this group and > GRRR!.....they forged MY email address in the > complaint, and it LOOKS like it originated from aol, > but that's hard to really tell.=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 >=20 >=20 > w4opw@... > NNNN! > It does look like it originated on AOL....Yahoo should be able to=20 trace this to find the origination. If someone has an issue with the group, just come out and state it.=20=20 Someone opined that iBiquity might have done this....I doubt that.=20=20 Not only would that generate a lawsuit, but the negative publicity=20 would do a number on them. Hopefully, the perp will be found.=20=20 Tom Ray WOR From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue May 16 23:20:46 2006 X-Deleted-Message: yes From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Wed May 17 13:18:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33171 invoked from network); 17 May 2006 20:17:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2006 20:17:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2006 20:17:24 -0000 Received: from [4.247.212.185] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FgSRQ-0007As-E0 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 17 May 2006 16:16:21 -0400 Message-ID: <380-220065317201633625@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.116.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:16:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bce465017ad118d69f1006bf200fa3fe57350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: HD alliance strikes in Tampa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=2LWClarsXAMsZdk2lhaW1Qae0Chicq5gjoRgznntXIprcw The following article was submitted on another group (ABDX) by Bob Foxworth: (Dick W.) ____________________________ The HD Alliance gets front-page coverage (although, below-the-fold) in the St Pete Times today, (17 May) with Times media critic Eric Deggans authoring "Listen Closely: HD is the new FM". (I guess Deggans was re-incarnated as media critic for this piece, I had thought the Times stopped having a media critic a few months ago). Charlie Ochs, SVP and Tampa Bay market manager for CBS Radio says ".. this is the future ... it's a movement in technology and we have to be there..." as he is pictured holding a BA Receptor. It's hard to challenge that idea, on some levels, especially as spoken by a fellow who does marketing and not technology. Highlights - Much of what is said is well known to us, and/or is predictable from having read past press material. Job One is simple - put on channels the public wants to hear ... "put a product out there to create demand" acc. to Dan DiLoreto, regional VP for CC in Tampa, adding, "it's broadcaster's responsibility to create the material which gives people reason to buy the radios". Peter Ferrara, formerly of CC and now president and CEO of the HD Radio Alliance, says "Satellite radio has nothing to do with what we are doing ... they have less than 10 million subscribers while terrestrial radio has 240 million listeners ... our consumer is expecting better things of us ... there is a renaissance of programming underway..." Tampa Bay listeners will hear a coordinated ad campaign beginning in August. Ferrara hopes the cost of a HD receiver will hit $199 by Christmas, this being the "magic price point" where "sales go from thousands to millions". (ed note - roll eyes here. Is this the expense-account crowd speaking?) Radio consultant Fred Jacobs thinks that broadcasters need to hype the core concept of "free content" (to counter satellite). JoAnn Urofsky, GM of WUSF (89.7) says that the proposed new secondary channels "might have been new to FM 20 or 30 years ago" but is a "pretty quick ramp up for an industry that has not changed significantly since FM first rolled out. WUSF was the "first public radio station to broadcast in HD 3 years ago". --------------- Deggans fails to make a distinction between AM and FM technology, does not address secondary channels on AM nor the technological issues which are impediments to some AM stations being able to adopt HD, nor conversion costs for smaller operators. He may not have done a lot of independent research on this question. - Bob From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed May 17 23:53:58 2006 X-Deleted-Message: yes From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Thu May 18 18:43:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19262 invoked from network); 19 May 2006 01:43:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2006 01:43:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2006 01:43:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2006 01:43:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2006 01:43:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 01:43:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.134.213 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another AM Stereo Station Coming!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=5MY5exrTNs6mMQynxeWquS9a5lNmbMLtJlSOoo704R1NBjz8yeK-pg X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman" = wrote: > > Hi Bill, >=20 > You mentioned in a prior email that you had heard from a station in Flori= da that was=20 thinking about going a.m. stereo; I know you may not be at liberty to say w= hich station,=20 but I am keeping my fingers crossed that it's either WJNA-640 in West Palm = Beach/Boca,=20 WVLG-640 in The Villages (they used to be in C-quam stereo) or WQYK-1010 (a= lso used to=20 be in C-quam stereo) in Tampa; all have music formats and would sound great= in stereo. >=20 > Donn, > St Petersburg >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Norman > Sent: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:31:30 -0700 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Another AM Stereo Station Coming!!!! >=20 > Got a call today from Bob Souza at KCKN in Roswell, New Mexico. It is=20 > a 50kw. AM at 1020. The station is converting to AM Stereo (c-quam)=20 > very shortly. They have a web site at KCKN1020.com > I am continuing to hear from other broadcasters who are interested in=20 > providing the best analog signal they can do.=20=20 > As always, all of you are welcome to come visit in North Myrtle Beach! > Bill. wnmb. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Below is a link to some great photos of L.A. studio and transmitter sites. = =20 http://gallery.bostonradio.org/2006-04/la/=20 What I want to know is, is that an unused Motorola C-Quam exciter in KLAC's= equipment=20 rack? Hmm, must not have read about the WNMB challenge. db From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu May 18 19:32:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21328 invoked from network); 19 May 2006 02:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2006 02:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2006 02:29:50 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-78-18.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.51.78.18] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Fguhj-0003CM-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 18 May 2006 22:27:03 -0400 Message-ID: <047701c67aeb$b5d24f40$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 22:27:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Delco UX-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=Pnlt3Q9PdJN8yolep7Ly74yiv4UNJSiLAJYb3Xlul9fymBzkSpURRV_hAkxVCg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Today I got a AMAX Delco UX-1from Freecycle! Now I just can't make up my mind which car I want it in. LOL Anybody know how to make the older UX-1 tune to the X-band? Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri May 19 05:27:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+mlUD+57+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9123 invoked from network); 19 May 2006 12:27:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2006 12:27:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2006 12:27:43 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.141]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 79036949 for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 07:25:56 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c67b3f$b4fa5aa0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 07:28:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.047000 Content: cid=195(1.0) =1.0,Subject has lots of exclamation marks=1.0 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.211.141 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another AM Stereo Station Coming!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=TUWLLuCrAuk6qrenPprHvfvFHAV1E5vxSL4S-kCZAwbPJa0Gpz1V X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If it is, it's fair game to see if anyone interested can shake it loose. I'd be surprised if the engineer didn't know about WNMB as it was such a prominent article. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "dbdigital2004" Below is a link to some great photos of L.A. studio and transmitter sites. http://gallery.bostonradio.org/2006-04/la/ What I want to know is, is that an unused Motorola C-Quam exciter in KLAC's equipment rack? Hmm, must not have read about the WNMB challenge. db From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri May 19 05:32:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+mlUD+57+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 645 invoked from network); 19 May 2006 12:30:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2006 12:30:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2006 12:30:18 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.141]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 76429318 for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 07:29:21 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c67b40$2f6af560$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <047701c67aeb$b5d24f40$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 07:31:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 57, in=161, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.141 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delco UX-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=Kc3JxpSGTeidLqF2bsmcCwGprKVPQLAIp9AyVthQyUEiWpaU39sH X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I doubt it can be done. At a minimum you'd have to change out the varactors to something with more range, and then you'd have to find where the firmware resides and either replace the chip with one programmed for the full band or else find a way to alter the programming already in there. I suspect it can be done, but I've never known anyone to do it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" Today I got a AMAX Delco UX-1from Freecycle! Now I just can't make up my mind which car I want it in. LOL Anybody know how to make the older UX-1 tune to the X-band? From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri May 19 06:11:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26188 invoked from network); 19 May 2006 13:06:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2006 13:06:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2006 13:06:05 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-78-18.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.51.78.18] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Fh4fu-0006Vr-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 19 May 2006 09:05:51 -0400 Message-ID: <05ab01c67b44$f2789860$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <047701c67aeb$b5d24f40$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> <001101c67b40$2f6af560$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 09:05:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delco UX-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=lojQ-aY1ixdEmvCqYKDhJj29PBr7FGtmODCXpjtJ7yrGLi9aDOpqNRrOyVedzw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Thanks, Scott. The Becker Mexico AM/FM/SW/Tape was easy to expand to include the X-band...and 160 Meters as far as that goes! Just re-program the E-Prom. I was hoping you could do that, or just swap out a chip on the Delco. The UX-1 is a NICE sounding radio. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 8:31 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delco UX-1 I doubt it can be done. At a minimum you'd have to change out the varactors to something with more range, and then you'd have to find where the firmware resides and either replace the chip with one programmed for the full band or else find a way to alter the programming already in there. I suspect it can be done, but I've never known anyone to do it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" Today I got a AMAX Delco UX-1from Freecycle! Now I just can't make up my mind which car I want it in. LOL Anybody know how to make the older UX-1 tune to the X-band? Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Fri May 19 16:45:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41220 invoked from network); 19 May 2006 23:45:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2006 23:45:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.162.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2006 23:45:29 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 19 May 2006 16:45:20 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 69.69.120.47 by BAY108-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 19 May 2006 23:45:19 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 19:45:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2006 23:45:20.0692 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A38BF40:01C67B9E] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.162.73 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Part 15.219 C-QuAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=-JBY-KA-tCaIuTVQ17czm5nHxyshzGRo2wOaPaDmrw8p X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I'm looking tips, tricks, and thoughts of how to make C-QuAM work within CFR47P15.219 limitations. IE: a 3m Whip. I'm told that the FCC does not really make a big fuss about grounding or whip and mast installs. I've been told AMS is only usable to 800hz before the phase information degrades under these conditions. Thank You, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri May 19 17:22:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56684 invoked from network); 20 May 2006 00:22:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2006 00:22:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2006 00:22:42 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-78-18.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.51.78.18] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FhFEl-0000cM-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 19 May 2006 20:22:31 -0400 Message-ID: <083301c67ba3$79b02330$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 20:22:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15.219 C-QuAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=47DkumL5hCJno0B8Gb7oa9fHJ3p96KvFSRm-CsmNbSzoObkFW5KyohHxEq-9DA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis wrote: >I'm told that the FCC does not really make a big fuss about grounding or >whip and mast installs. Here in Florida there is another round of Pirate Radio Station busts going on. While every Pirate that has been busted has been FM, It is still best to follow the LETTER of the Law. > > I've been told AMS is only usable to 800hz before the phase information > degrades under these conditions. Alfredo and Alfredo Lite transmitters work just fine on the Longwave Band, but due to noise and Antenna limitations, work best in the AM X-Band. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Fri May 19 17:34:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65439 invoked from network); 20 May 2006 00:34:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2006 00:34:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.162.76) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2006 00:34:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 19 May 2006 17:34:02 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 69.69.120.47 by BAY108-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 20 May 2006 00:34:00 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: References: <083301c67ba3$79b02330$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 20:33:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2006 00:34:02.0447 (UTC) FILETIME=[17B92DF0:01C67BA5] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.162.76 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15.219 C-QuAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=a8Io4IkMODxSsZag-3D6aKlxXtc7JpX7sTe_LULSHkM6 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd "Here in Florida there is another round of Pirate Radio Station busts going on. While every Pirate that has been busted has been FM, It is still best to follow the LETTER of the Law." i know they get fussy if you have a long ground lead (#12 or smaller) running down a pole, but i have not heard anything about them fussing if you have a 2 inch mast. they ussually just count the wire from the ground lug to mast and the top half of verticle for the 3m limit. they're also trying to pull that florida nonsense up here in nj. Thank You, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun May 21 12:53:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+B182+59+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94192 invoked from network); 21 May 2006 19:53:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2006 19:53:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2006 19:53:39 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.206]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 79695253 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 14:53:25 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c67d10$9127ef20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <047701c67aeb$b5d24f40$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> <001101c67b40$2f6af560$d503fea9@stodd> <05ab01c67b44$f2789860$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 14:55:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.208.206 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delco UX-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=gcTfAWa0WzIAYLIZ_YQ2LktIHg1xxLuQ1mw8OpMUbBlvwx2lLC8B X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Interesting stuff on the Becker. If you have the steps to do that one I'd at least do some research to see if the same would apply to the UX-1. Check and see if you could get a schematic for it and find out which is the EPROM, but I'd make no guarantee it'll be alterable, though. Let us know how you make out on it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" Thanks, Scott. The Becker Mexico AM/FM/SW/Tape was easy to expand to include the X-band...and 160 Meters as far as that goes! Just re-program the E-Prom. I was hoping you could do that, or just swap out a chip on the Delco. The UX-1 is a NICE sounding radio. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" I doubt it can be done. At a minimum you'd have to change out the varactors to something with more range, and then you'd have to find where the firmware resides and either replace the chip with one programmed for the full band or else find a way to alter the programming already in there. I suspect it can be done, but I've never known anyone to do it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" Today I got a AMAX Delco UX-1from Freecycle! Now I just can't make up my mind which car I want it in. LOL Anybody know how to make the older UX-1 tune to the X-band? From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun May 21 13:00:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+B182+59+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28699 invoked from network); 21 May 2006 20:00:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2006 20:00:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2006 20:00:48 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.206]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 79205093 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 15:00:45 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <003201c67d11$96fe44c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 15:03:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.208.206 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15.219 C-QuAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=KendlHHAY95SDvmOrnYzCOAMNHPTpROU2Clo0s3lu99TN5nG4kAL X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It would require some sort of antenna matching network. The biggest problem is short antennas are so reactive it's almost impossible to cancel the reactances. Having said that, you don't have anything to lose by trying it out anyway, with or without matching networks. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" I'm looking tips, tricks, and thoughts of how to make C-QuAM work within CFR47P15.219 limitations. IE: a 3m Whip. I'm told that the FCC does not really make a big fuss about grounding or whip and mast installs. I've been told AMS is only usable to 800hz before the phase information degrades under these conditions. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun May 21 13:05:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+B182+59+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23918 invoked from network); 21 May 2006 19:57:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2006 19:57:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2006 19:57:14 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.206]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 79885591 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 14:57:11 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c67d11$17be47a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <083301c67ba3$79b02330$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 14:59:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.208.206 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15.219 C-QuAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=StZk3OOHq0Ig4nEcEtox7TTcx5WNCAKTHraD48QCfSH-TJcFCGOo X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Despite the seeming violation of part 15 rules, I've never known anyone to be busted for running a transmitter at the top of an already grounded pole (no ground lead.) I've heard that some of them even have strung ground radials at the base of their poles. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" To: Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 7:33 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15.219 C-QuAM "Here in Florida there is another round of Pirate Radio Station busts going on. While every Pirate that has been busted has been FM, It is still best to follow the LETTER of the Law." i know they get fussy if you have a long ground lead (#12 or smaller) running down a pole, but i have not heard anything about them fussing if you have a 2 inch mast. they ussually just count the wire from the ground lug to mast and the top half of verticle for the 3m limit. they're also trying to pull that florida nonsense up here in nj. Thank You, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Sun May 21 13:44:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45924 invoked from network); 21 May 2006 20:44:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2006 20:44:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.162.86) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2006 20:44:51 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 21 May 2006 13:44:51 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 69.34.61.60 by BAY108-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 21 May 2006 20:44:49 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: References: <083301c67ba3$79b02330$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> <002c01c67d11$17be47a0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 16:44:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2006 20:44:51.0586 (UTC) FILETIME=[6865CE20:01C67D17] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.162.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15.219 C-QuAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=NHpgmCSRXwmU7U1RHqXS9eW7004z6xBDRkNifLv4l7HL X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd i know all about the whip and mast deal, i have a rangemaster. I was thinking about a 2 inch 20ft copper mast 8ft in the ground. tranny on top in sealed box. some sort of matching network with a 3meter long 2 inch copper radiator isolated from the bottom half with some sort of pvc pipe and reducers to match copper masts. I was looking for tips to lower the Q of the antenna to get it to pass 10 or 15khz of C-QuAM, while still using only a 3m high radiator. in addition to above i was thinking of an oversized matching coil with #4 Stranded Copper around a PVC coil. keith hamilton has spoken with fcc officicials in washington and they don't want to get involved in what is or isn't ground. they ussually consider the wire from the ground lug to tip of mast as ground. Thank You, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue May 23 07:10:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16322 invoked from network); 23 May 2006 14:10:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2006 14:10:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2006 14:10:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 9906 invoked by uid 60001); 23 May 2006 14:10:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20060523141017.9904.qmail@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 May 2006 07:10:17 PDT Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 07:10:17 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 From: "John P." Subject: Radiosophy shipping in July X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=F_-QstCmRgIrgNEW89pc1QDNUdSxR5xPPWWMLVi_lG_dZVUNqQLqTB4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Does anybody know if the Radiosophy Multistream can decode C-Quam AM Stereo? If so, this would be 'da bomb' radio to own! Maybe we should ask if they could write the coding for the software? Dennis - do you still have the links for the software? Maybe you could contact them and offer to forward the coding to them? Hey Bill Norman, can you contact them to see about offering it as a Grand Prize on your station, if it could add the CQuam? Here's the link: http://www.radiosophy.com/products.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue May 23 16:35:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0++r99+61+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45008 invoked from network); 23 May 2006 23:35:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2006 23:35:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2006 23:35:42 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.208]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 80619258 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 18:35:40 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c67ec1$f4ccfae0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060523141017.9904.qmail@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:38:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 5, in=6, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.208 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radiosophy shipping in July X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=nRxaN7lzgDt1pXsLlsmwFGCQ_yE8uf9pYSK-hENneZgke0SERZtp X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude As shipped, I seriously doubt it. However it is designed so that new coding schemes can be added when they are released, thus avoiding obsolescence, so it's entirely likely it could be made to do C-Quam and even DRM. I'll have to pester Greg Buchwald at Moto for the software. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." > Does anybody know if the Radiosophy Multistream can decode C-Quam AM Stereo? > If so, this would be 'da bomb' radio to own! Maybe we should ask if they could > write the coding for the software? > Dennis - do you still have the links for the software? Maybe you could contact > them and offer to forward the coding to them? > Hey Bill Norman, can you contact them to see about offering it as a Grand Prize > on your station, if it could add the CQuam? From tomray@wor710.com Tue May 23 18:34:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68426 invoked from network); 24 May 2006 01:34:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2006 01:34:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2006 01:34:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2006 01:34:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2006 01:34:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 01:34:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060523141017.9904.qmail@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Radiosophy shipping in July X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=pm6Z7yDexdbFP7dEGPOIY3hqfL5DfZDOFhfzICaxHz7uCVlt X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > Does anybody know if the Radiosophy Multistream can decode C-Quam AM Stereo?=20 > If so, this would be 'da bomb' radio to own! Maybe we should ask if they could > write the coding for the software?=20=20 I chaired a session at NAB where Kenwood broke down the entire HD decoding chain in a receiver. They made a comment that those who are holding out hope for AM stereo to be added to any radio that can decode HD should drop those false hopes. I cannot remember the reason, but there is an entirely valid reason that an HD capable radio cannot and will not be able to decode AM stereo. It has something to do with detection of the phase modulated components. Kenwood stated flat out that they have attempted to do this, and it simply does not work.=20=20 Sorry guys. Tom Ray WOR From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Wed May 24 17:02:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48287 invoked from network); 25 May 2006 00:02:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2006 00:02:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.162.83) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2006 00:02:16 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 24 May 2006 17:02:16 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 69.69.124.115 by BAY108-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 25 May 2006 00:02:11 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 20:02:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 May 2006 00:02:16.0424 (UTC) FILETIME=[7BB5E680:01C67F8E] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.162.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: AMS Manuals X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=bmDSdZV79st7bT1GZ6bRKzh9UOLi7PBsGM0RiW1T9a80 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I'm Looking for Full Manuals w/Schematics for the following AMS Stuff.. (/\/\)otorola 1300 / 1310 (/\/\)otorola 1400 / 1410 Delta ASE-1 / ASE-2 / ASM-1 BE AX-10 / ?? Harris ?? Kahn PowerSide and ISB I will take any donated manuals and PDF them for all to have access to :) Can Send to.. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis P O Box 628 Glen Gardner, NJ 08826 Thank You, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu May 25 06:30:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59515 invoked from network); 25 May 2006 13:30:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2006 13:30:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2006 13:30:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 47237 invoked by uid 60001); 25 May 2006 13:29:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20060525132948.47235.qmail@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 May 2006 06:29:48 PDT Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 06:29:48 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1148514798.134.85457.m17@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: CQuam on the HD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=uyi002uxrJg8N-Kh7O-2tm0xxLZUzMv80taBgL3ZlteU9x5S7c4CiYM X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Answer from the Radiosophy boys: "I was forwarded your message on C-Quam by our sales department. Thank you for your interest in the Radiosophy Multistream HD receiver. We currently have no plans to implement C-Quam. We will keep an eye on it for the future. Thanks, VP of Technology Radiosophy LLC" My comment: I don't understand why Kenwood would be unable to decode the phase modulation, as that IS used with CQuam, and is the only reason you can't use CQuam and HD simultaneously. Also, doesn't the Visteon radio decode both HD - AND - CQuam? IOW, they don't want both. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu May 25 06:47:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34017 invoked from network); 25 May 2006 13:47:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2006 13:47:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2006 13:47:17 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 25 May 2006 06:46:56 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.47 by BAY106-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 25 May 2006 13:46:52 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 13:46:52 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 May 2006 13:46:56.0184 (UTC) FILETIME=[AFF21B80:01C68001] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.78 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQuam on the HD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=aHX9Lbe-V046ydhLklpdDK72l4Nby7Qk-y9vC8BIUPU0u-m79R3AXZm4zNQ X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You raised some good questions. (but I'm not going to hold my breathe for an honest response or dialogue with Kenwood, Radiosophy, Boston Acoustics etc.) On the Radiosophy website, they do mention the difficulty with the am band at night as one reason the FCC is not currently permitting it............ but keeping in mind, we probably have the best FCC that the NAB and Ibiquity can buy, I suspect that eventually nighttime hash/IBOC will be allowed and with that in mind, I'm wondering why these receivers don't have the option of switching to analogue on the either band, if it would mean better reception in fringe area; just like the switch on some receivers where you can chose mono instead of stereo in weak reception areas. Donn, curious in St Pete -----Original Message----- From: John P. Sent: Thu, 25 May 2006 06:29:48 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} CQuam on the HD radios Answer from the Radiosophy boys: "I was forwarded your message on C-Quam by our sales department. Thank you for your interest in the Radiosophy Multistream HD receiver. We currently have no plans to implement C-Quam. We will keep an eye on it for the future. Thanks, VP of Technology Radiosophy LLC" My comment: I don't understand why Kenwood would be unable to decode the phase modulation, as that IS used with CQuam, and is the only reason you can't use CQuam and HD simultaneously. Also, doesn't the Visteon radio decode both HD - AND - CQuam? IOW, they don't want both. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Thu May 25 07:29:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53507 invoked from network); 25 May 2006 14:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2006 14:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2006 14:29:48 -0000 Received: from [4.247.209.140] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FjGj7-0007Bm-Sp for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 25 May 2006 10:22:14 -0400 Message-ID: <380-220065425142241859@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.116.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:22:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bce8fcee3ac59a878d706553f78c76fb28350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQuam on the HD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=_4OWd9_oLLKhA8QkamFj5yJXHUnI6IJVtUOnXNlMMCh95Q My guess is that once nighttime IBOC is authorized, the station managements are probably thinking that they can ultimately discontinue their analogue transmissions. But that certainly won't happen until there's a lot of IBOC receivers out there, and there's no indication that that will ever happen. Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Donn Tillman > To: > Date: 5/25/2006 9:47:19 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQuam on the HD radios > > You raised some good questions. (but I'm not going to hold my breathe for an honest response or dialogue with Kenwood, Radiosophy, Boston Acoustics etc.) > > On the Radiosophy website, they do mention the difficulty with the am band at night as one reason the FCC is not currently permitting it............ but keeping in mind, we probably have the best FCC that the NAB and Ibiquity can buy, I suspect that eventually nighttime hash/IBOC will be allowed and with that in mind, I'm wondering why these receivers don't have the option of switching to analogue on the either band, if it would mean better reception in fringe area; just like the switch on some receivers where you can chose mono instead of stereo in weak reception areas. > > Donn, > curious in St Pete From tomray@wor710.com Thu May 25 09:46:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67051 invoked from network); 25 May 2006 16:46:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2006 16:46:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2006 16:46:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2006 16:45:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2006 16:45:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 16:45:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <380-220065425142241859@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: CQuam on the HD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=9r1YRdV_d9cmIiar5qk9UyS0rasIciBNPVnpqOZUoTTNvGFo X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > My guess is that once nighttime IBOC is authorized, the station=20 managements > are probably thinking that they can ultimately discontinue their=20 analogue > transmissions. But that certainly won't happen until there's a lot=20 of IBOC > receivers out there, and there's no indication that that will ever=20 happen. > Dick W. Not unless someone in Congress gets it in their bonnet that there MUST=20 be a sunsetting of the analog service. Look at HDTV. Tom Ray WOR From mrcomment@yahoo.com Thu May 25 14:07:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mrcomment@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72522 invoked from network); 25 May 2006 21:07:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2006 21:07:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.190) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2006 21:07:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n23.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2006 21:06:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2006 21:06:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2006 21:06:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 21:06:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.141.23.234 From: "mrcomment" Subject: Re: Radiosophy shipping in July X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193606338; y=gbjG9yHnWubgBlBYT-aVqEkBqiJCG07C7vqbDkYDORz2iDHC X-Yahoo-Profile: mrcomment --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." > wrote: > > > > Does anybody know if the Radiosophy Multistream can decode C- Quam AM > Stereo?=20 > > If so, this would be 'da bomb' radio to own! Maybe we should=20 ask if > they could > > write the coding for the software?=20=20 >=20 > I chaired a session at NAB where Kenwood broke down the entire HD > decoding chain in a receiver. They made a comment that those who=20 are > holding out hope for AM stereo to be added to any radio that can > decode HD should drop those false hopes. I cannot remember the > reason, but there is an entirely valid reason that an HD capable=20 radio > cannot and will not be able to decode AM stereo. It has something=20 to > do with detection of the phase modulated components. Kenwood=20 stated > flat out that they have attempted to do this, and it simply does=20 not > work.=20=20 >=20 > Sorry guys. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > B*llshit once again. The only reason you cannot do AM stereo is=20 that you-know-who is not going to write the code for it because they=20 do not want anything other than IBOC and they control the chipset.=20=20 The Kenwood and other radios like the Radiosophy are pure DSP I&Q=20 radios and can decode ANY modulation in the bandwidth if they wanted=20 to including double-sideband, single-sideband, VSB, CQUAM, Kahn,=20 DRM, etc., etc. The only hope of a multistandard radio is going to=20 come from an independent IBOC implementation and since the so- called 'standard' is missing a lot of critical pieces, this is not=20 likely to happen any time soon.=20=20 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 25 17:22:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25934 invoked from network); 26 May 2006 00:21:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2006 00:21:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.87) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2006 00:21:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2006 00:21:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2006 00:21:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 00:21:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.87 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.250.133 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another AM Stereo Station Coming!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=lTHOM2GXnxJu2bd8pZHxP2DIbqE4P3mWphM6-pf7UJoH8uIZsA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Below is a link to some great photos of L.A. studio and transmitter > sites.=20=20 >=20 > http://gallery.bostonradio.org/2006-04/la/=20 >=20 > What I want to know is, is that an unused Motorola C-Quam exciter > in KLAC's equipment rack? Hmm, must not have read about the WNMB > challenge. I see a Motorola C-Quam modulation monitor on top (black faceplate)=20 and Broadcast Electronics C-Quam modulation monitor on bottom (gold=20 faceplate), but no C-Quam exciter(s). Lots of mono and IBOC AM=20 stations use a C-Quam mod monitor because it allows measurement of=20 the station's Incidental Phase Modulation (IPM), which should be as=20 little as possible for best results. KLAC also has a nice Gregg Labs audio processor in their rack, but=20 the Optimod 9200 below it is probably their main on-air audio=20 processor. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 25 17:36:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26690 invoked from network); 26 May 2006 00:36:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2006 00:36:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2006 00:36:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2006 00:36:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2006 00:36:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 00:36:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002101c67d10$9127ef20$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.250.133 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delco UX-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=rHuNedtEFcRFjsKXlKCdckDI6nJPBGCUzJ1sO2Q41EivQa_PHQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics There is little reason to hack up a UX-1, when Delco made plenty of=20 radios which have AMAX-certified wideband AM Stereo and tune the full=20 Expanded Band. There is one model like that, which looks just like=20 the UX-1, except it has more modern styling and the on/off switch is=20 combined with the volume knob, instead of being a "PWR" pushbutton: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/newdelco.jpg From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 25 17:49:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26709 invoked from network); 26 May 2006 00:48:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2006 00:48:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2006 00:48:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2006 00:48:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2006 00:48:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 00:48:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.250.133 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Radiosophy shipping in July X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=B0Iee_nYvf1Fxk3Sanmx03dzg98BQYVHqeUgOkq3wOtY6_QbEg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I cannot remember the reason, but there is an entirely valid reason > that an HD capable radio cannot and will not be able to decode > AM stereo. It has something to do with detection of the phase > modulated components. Kenwood stated flat out that they have > attempted to do this, and it simply does not work.=20=20 That may be true within the existing iBiquity receiver architecture,=20 but when you have a "clean-sheet" DSP receiver design to work with,=20 ANYTHING is possible. *Somewhere* in there is a synchronous detector=20 which is pulling out the "I" and "Q" components of the AM signal, and=20 with sufficient DSP code, this can be used to decode *any* type of=20 analog AM Stereo as well as *any* type of digital IBOC. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu May 25 18:41:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+C7cZ+64+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1879 invoked from network); 26 May 2006 01:41:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2006 01:41:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2006 01:41:52 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.78]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 80558872 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 20:41:51 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004601c68065$ed2adfa0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 20:43:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 15, in=14, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.78 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radiosophy shipping in July X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=xkYh1PZWU2auUfJ0ZlZw7dDeDZzOKbM_RwUP7mYNlYSDCsubpOoX X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That makes me wonder about the abandoned Symphony chip. I'm betting that's one of the blank slates you're talking about. Now if I can only get more info out of Freescale on them. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > > I cannot remember the reason, but there is an entirely valid reason > > that an HD capable radio cannot and will not be able to decode > > AM stereo. > That may be true within the existing iBiquity receiver architecture, > but when you have a "clean-sheet" DSP receiver design to work with, > ANYTHING is possible. From bob_welch550@yahoo.com Fri May 26 00:52:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bob_welch550@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46315 invoked from network); 26 May 2006 07:52:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2006 07:52:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.90) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2006 07:52:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2006 07:52:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2006 07:52:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 07:52:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.163.51.133 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: CQuam on the HD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213592090; y=6TYYqxL3pCDTVVKAQa6iUSq2fG4pJW5Sh4gzOrRxpXIfhJv6KpV7 X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 I read somewhere the AM and FM in Canada was going to=20 be "sunsetted" -- so to speak/type-- in 2004. Because of the=20 incredible rollout of DAB radios in Canada. This was said in some=20 CRTC legal paper... in 1998 (some year like that). Currently, one=20 can not find anything other than AM/FM radios in Canada... You'd=20 have to find a European or British based webmerchant willing to ship=20 to North America in order to get an L-Band DAB radio. They still haven't found Jimmy Hoffa yet! -grins- Bob in Vermont --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > > > My guess is that once nighttime IBOC is authorized, the station=20 > managements > > are probably thinking that they can ultimately discontinue their=20 > analogue > > transmissions. But that certainly won't happen until there's a=20 lot=20 > of IBOC > > receivers out there, and there's no indication that that will=20 ever=20 > happen. > > Dick W. >=20 > Not unless someone in Congress gets it in their bonnet that there=20 MUST=20 > be a sunsetting of the analog service. Look at HDTV. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri May 26 13:32:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39232 invoked from network); 26 May 2006 20:32:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2006 20:32:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2006 20:32:30 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-78-18.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.51.78.18] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Fjiyb-0006Lb-00; Fri, 26 May 2006 16:32:05 -0400 Message-ID: <077501c68103$710a4020$6505a8c0@PossumHunter> To: Cc: References: Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 16:31:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: [BeautifulInstrumentals] Re: Marlin's CD song request project X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=xxuoDlL1-HtS45luvWmvxr4AoRIf2Qeb0KRD3yUhf7F1bHyVEPIUVrcO47pPbg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Did Anita Kerr do any custom work, other than Radio Station Jingles? I have the Anita Kerr WLS jingle package from 1961. Those are the BEST radio jingles I have ever heard. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "adr0322" To: Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 3:46 PM Subject: [BeautifulInstrumentals] Re: Marlin's CD song request project >I believe Bradleigh is correct that Paul Mauriat, James Last and > Hollyridge Strings never did custom work. Also, to my knowledge, > Franck Pourcel, Ray Connif, and A. Kostelantz never did anything > custom. Please correct me if I am wrong. From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Fri May 26 19:44:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16153 invoked from network); 27 May 2006 02:44:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2006 02:44:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2006 02:44:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2006 02:44:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2006 02:44:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 02:44:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.210.231 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: Another AM Stereo Station Coming!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=B8IwTKN7i-pX7G3OmK_ehEzqTUsBNPYDO7nuacVBVBNuNazEvr_deA X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > Below is a link to some great photos of L.A. studio and transmitter > > sites.=20=20 > >=20 > > http://gallery.bostonradio.org/2006-04/la/=20 > >=20 > > What I want to know is, is that an unused Motorola C-Quam exciter > > in KLAC's equipment rack? Hmm, must not have read about the WNMB > > challenge. >=20 > I see a Motorola C-Quam modulation monitor on top (black faceplate)=20 > and Broadcast Electronics C-Quam modulation monitor on bottom (gold=20 > faceplate), but no C-Quam exciter(s). Lots of mono and IBOC AM=20 > stations use a C-Quam mod monitor because it allows measurement of=20 > the station's Incidental Phase Modulation (IPM), which should be as=20 > little as possible for best results. >=20 OK, I wasn't 100% sure what that was. Thanks, Kevin. db From badeditpro@charter.net Sun May 28 23:28:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47598 invoked from network); 29 May 2006 06:28:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2006 06:28:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf09.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.209) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2006 06:28:22 -0000 Received: from mxip09a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip09a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.139]) by mxsf09.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4T6SHoa030143 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 02:28:18 -0400 Received: from 24-241-13-230.dhcp.rnrp.nc.charter.com (HELO yourfd6nvjcer4) ([24.241.13.230]) by mxip09a.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 29 May 2006 02:28:17 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,182,1146456000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="184655279:sNHT32766758" Message-ID: <000601c682e9$11a3b4d0$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 02:28:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.28.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: BRING BACK THE OPTIMOD 8000! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=dBz04P9v79Y94qzEbwemXn7PiI-DjrcTrWiJPiGH23jodbTKi0dcX40SBlfd X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is off subject but I had to post a comment. This weekend, I have been= kicking back and listening to some aircheck tapes from my Big Box =91O Tap= es=85. Lots of them are from the early 80=92s. It hit me how GOOD these ra= dio stations sounded=85 Yeah, they were playing mostly vinyl but that=92s n= ot what I=92m talking about. The debate over whether Vinyl sounds better t= han CD is for another time=85. The SOUND is so dynamic and warm with no gru= nge and no distortion. I realize that all of these stations I=92m digging = on were using the Optimod 8000. I get on line and track down the PDF of th= e service manual so I can learn more about the original Optimod. (Thanks Bo= b!) First off, the thing that jumps out at me is the unit=92s utter simplic= ity. Simple is good! Yeah, this is 25 year old technology but it was a simp= le concept even then=85 Brilliant, efficient use of what was available at t= he time. Secondly, the eloquence of design, especially in the high frequen= cy limiter section, is pure genius. This box was designed to get audio thr= ough a transmitter without making itself noticed. Audio integrity is respe= cted from input to output=85 It used no clipping! What the hell happened= ? All of the new stuff sounds metallic, crushed and synthetic compared wit= h what I=92ve been enjoying.=20=20 =20 So, in 25 years, the broadcast industry=92s quest to be=91the loudest damn = thing on the dial=92 has brought us to an age where we have ultra stable DS= P based audio processing that is used to band- limit, pump and clip the lif= e out of the input audio instead of gently helping it through the transmitt= er=85 How sad. I thought Digital would put a stop to this foolishness but = I guess I was wrong.=20=20 =20 Anyhow, here is a thought. Would it not be cool to find one of these units= , tune it up and put on line with today=92s digital technology feeding it p= ristine audio? There would be several advantages: =20 1. The Opitmod 8000 did not incorporate phase rotators. The reason that I= point out their absence is to further point out that not having a phase ro= tator in the circuit would be advantageous with today=92s highly processed = CD audio. The =91hyper compression=92 that CD mastering houses use today c= auses problems for audio processors that employ a phase rotating circuit. = What happens is that the circuit tends to take the =91fat top=92 square wav= e patterns caused by heavy digital limiting and splatter them all over the = waveform. The end result is a grungy, hashy sound that cannot be tuned out= of the audio no matter how much or how little the processing is dialed up.= No phase rotator, no problem. 2. The 800) is a full band unit. Most audio processing today splits audi= o up into anywhere from 2 to 6 bands. Acting like an automatic equalizer, = this tends to make everything sound sonically uniform from one song to the = next. It is also done to allow harder processing of audio while not introd= ucing pumping and breathing. The end effect is a homogenizing effect. Eve= rything sounds the same and if you then add in frequency cancelled clipping= , you get the ingredients that mix to cause listener fatigue. People just = get tired of hearing the audio and feel it necessary to either change the s= tation or turn it off even if the programming is something they would other= wise enjoy=85 A full band unit does not induce this kind of effect because= the spectral shaping of the audio changes with each new song or spot. The= refore, every new song played sounds fresh to the ear when the mind compare= s it with the one last played. You find yourself wanting to keep listening= and listening because the sound is constantly being refreshed. Multi-band = limiting robs the listener of that effect. 3. Because the 8000 is designed to be almost completely transparent, ther= e is not a whole lot of short term dynamics processing: just enough to keep= it legal and provide basic gain riding. This preserves the sonic integrit= y of music and makes voices sound lifelike. The most gain reduction you co= uld get out of it was 15 dB. You see, this unit was designed for a time wh= en there was always an operator in the studio watching the levels. It even= has a G/R meter output on the back of the unit so you could wire one of th= e VU meters in the console to show G/R to the operator on the air. That wo= uld have been critical when broadcasting super dynamic classical music. An= educated operator could hand-ride the gain to keep the Optimod happy throu= gh an entire piece of music. With today=92s automation oriented programmin= g delivery, it is not reasonable to expect someone to be in the studio to r= ide levels. The solution? Use the 8000=92s limiter only mode and place an= Aphex Compeller in front of it. The Compeller can be set up to invisibly = ride gain and it has the added advantage of being able to correct slight ch= annel balance problems when it is setup to only link the leveler and not th= e compressor. If you were to run an average of 10 dB of gain reduction on = the Compeller and then about 5 dB on the 8000, you would have plenty of aud= io pull-up power and more than enough headroom to limit any audio that migh= t come blasting through. It would be so smooth, you=92d think that someone= was setting there riding the gain! 4. These units always had a very warm sound that I really like. The HF l= imiters are subtle and handle most high frequency energy well. You can jus= t occasionally hear them grab at a big cymbal crash but they never change t= he =91psss-shhhhh=92 to a =91pwu-slpat=92 like later HF limiter designs do.= Most modern CD=92s tend to be on the warm side, anyway. With, careful adj= usting of the release time in the 8000, you could probably tune out any und= esired ducking effects in older, crisper material such as CD=92s pressed in= the 80=92s. The lack of high end clipping and the fact that it would not s= ound =91worked=92 like most modern processors do to high end components, wo= uld more than compensate for the occasional artifact left over from HF limi= ting. =20 Now the question you=92ll no doubt be asking is, =93Is this competitive?=94= The answer all depends on how you define that term. If you want to be lo= uder than everything else on the dial than, no, this isn=92t for you=85 How= ever, if TSL numbers are important to you and you want to have truly great = audio quality, this would be a great way to get there. It would be absolute= ly wonderful to hear Classic Rock, Jazz or mainstream AC through an air ch= ain like that=85. You know what other format would sound great? Hip-hop! = The lack of any multi-band processing would really keep that bass pumped u= p and the punch of the beats would really jump through the radio.=20=20 =20 Just my opinion=85 Your thoughts? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon May 29 01:25:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86570 invoked from network); 29 May 2006 08:23:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2006 08:23:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.209) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2006 08:23:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2006 08:22:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2006 08:22:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2006 08:22:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 08:22:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c682e9$11a3b4d0$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.142.228.49 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: BRING BACK THE OPTIMOD 8000! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=gjhCjcLY-cKMNw2UtjBijYD7VRdwBa3AYJ9KEwdrin_Jftqdu45GjepS6DX9-yNnuCqO6WMs X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Hi Joe I don't know much about the tech side of all you guys TXing=20 but i do know that there where some good sounding AM stations back in=20 the mid 70's to mid 90's. One that comes to mind is "THE 610 KFRC"!!! JS --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Collins" =20 wrote: > > This is off subject but I had to post a comment. This weekend, I=20 have been kicking back and listening to some aircheck tapes from my=20 Big Box `O Tapes=85. Lots of them are from the early 80's. It hit me=20 how GOOD these radio stations sounded=85 Yeah, they were playing mostly=20 vinyl but that's not what I'm talking about. The debate over whether=20 Vinyl sounds better than CD is for another time=85. The SOUND is so=20 dynamic and warm with no grunge and no distortion. I realize that=20 all of these stations I'm digging on were using the Optimod 8000. I=20 get on line and track down the PDF of the service manual so I can=20 learn more about the original Optimod. (Thanks Bob!) First off, the=20 thing that jumps out at me is the unit's utter simplicity. Simple is=20 good! Yeah, this is 25 year old technology but it was a simple=20 concept even then=85 Brilliant, efficient use of what was available at=20 the time. Secondly, the eloquence of design, especially in the high=20 frequency limiter section, is pure genius. This box was designed to=20 get audio through a transmitter without making itself noticed. Audio=20 integrity is respected from input to output=85 It used no clipping! = =20 What the hell happened? All of the new stuff sounds metallic,=20 crushed and synthetic compared with what I've been enjoying.=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > So, in 25 years, the broadcast industry's quest to be`the loudest=20 damn thing on the dial' has brought us to an age where we have ultra=20 stable DSP based audio processing that is used to band- limit, pump=20 and clip the life out of the input audio instead of gently helping it=20 through the transmitter=85 How sad. I thought Digital would put a stop=20 to this foolishness but I guess I was wrong.=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Anyhow, here is a thought. Would it not be cool to find one of=20 these units, tune it up and put on line with today's digital=20 technology feeding it pristine audio? There would be several=20 advantages: >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > 1. The Opitmod 8000 did not incorporate phase rotators. The=20 reason that I point out their absence is to further point out that=20 not having a phase rotator in the circuit would be advantageous with=20 today's highly processed CD audio. The `hyper compression' that CD=20 mastering houses use today causes problems for audio processors that=20 employ a phase rotating circuit. What happens is that the circuit=20 tends to take the `fat top' square wave patterns caused by heavy=20 digital limiting and splatter them all over the waveform. The end=20 result is a grungy, hashy sound that cannot be tuned out of the audio=20 no matter how much or how little the processing is dialed up. No=20 phase rotator, no problem. >=20 > 2. The 800) is a full band unit. Most audio processing today=20 splits audio up into anywhere from 2 to 6 bands. Acting like an=20 automatic equalizer, this tends to make everything sound sonically=20 uniform from one song to the next. It is also done to allow harder=20 processing of audio while not introducing pumping and breathing. The=20 end effect is a homogenizing effect. Everything sounds the same and=20 if you then add in frequency cancelled clipping, you get the=20 ingredients that mix to cause listener fatigue. People just get=20 tired of hearing the audio and feel it necessary to either change the=20 station or turn it off even if the programming is something they=20 would otherwise enjoy=85 A full band unit does not induce this kind of=20 effect because the spectral shaping of the audio changes with each=20 new song or spot. Therefore, every new song played sounds fresh to=20 the ear when the mind compares it with the one last played. You find=20 yourself wanting to keep listening and listening because the sound is=20 constantly being refreshed. Multi-band limiting robs the listener of=20 that effect. >=20 > 3. Because the 8000 is designed to be almost completely=20 transparent, there is not a whole lot of short term dynamics=20 processing: just enough to keep it legal and provide basic gain=20 riding. This preserves the sonic integrity of music and makes voices=20 sound lifelike. The most gain reduction you could get out of it was=20 15 dB. You see, this unit was designed for a time when there was=20 always an operator in the studio watching the levels. It even has a=20 G/R meter output on the back of the unit so you could wire one of the=20 VU meters in the console to show G/R to the operator on the air.=20=20 That would have been critical when broadcasting super dynamic=20 classical music. An educated operator could hand-ride the gain to=20 keep the Optimod happy through an entire piece of music. With=20 today's automation oriented programming delivery, it is not=20 reasonable to expect someone to be in the studio to ride levels. The=20 solution? Use the 8000's limiter only mode and place an Aphex=20 Compeller in front of it. The Compeller can be set up to invisibly=20 ride gain and it has the added advantage of being able to correct=20 slight channel balance problems when it is setup to only link the=20 leveler and not the compressor. If you were to run an average of 10=20 dB of gain reduction on the Compeller and then about 5 dB on the=20 8000, you would have plenty of audio pull-up power and more than=20 enough headroom to limit any audio that might come blasting through.=20=20 It would be so smooth, you'd think that someone was setting there=20 riding the gain! >=20 > 4. These units always had a very warm sound that I really like.=20=20 The HF limiters are subtle and handle most high frequency energy=20 well. You can just occasionally hear them grab at a big cymbal crash=20 but they never change the `psss-shhhhh' to a `pwu-slpat' like later=20 HF limiter designs do. Most modern CD's tend to be on the warm side,=20 anyway. With, careful adjusting of the release time in the 8000, you=20 could probably tune out any undesired ducking effects in older,=20 crisper material such as CD's pressed in the 80's. The lack of high=20 end clipping and the fact that it would not sound `worked' like most=20 modern processors do to high end components, would more than=20 compensate for the occasional artifact left over from HF limiting. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Now the question you'll no doubt be asking is, "Is this=20 competitive?" The answer all depends on how you define that term.=20=20 If you want to be louder than everything else on the dial than, no,=20 this isn't for you=85 However, if TSL numbers are important to you and=20 you want to have truly great audio quality, this would be a great way=20 to get there. It would be absolutely wonderful to hear Classic Rock,=20 Jazz or mainstream AC through an air chain like that=85. You know=20 what other format would sound great? Hip-hop! The lack of any multi- band processing would really keep that bass pumped up and the punch=20 of the beats would really jump through the radio.=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Just my opinion=85 Your thoughts? >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon May 29 01:30:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89879 invoked from network); 29 May 2006 08:29:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2006 08:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.87) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2006 08:29:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2006 08:28:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2006 08:28:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 08:28:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.87 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.142.228.49 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: BRING BACK THE OPTIMOD 8000! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=XXICONChIqTndCVRxY5NxQJznYSh4AdGdhrYws2aBU_aeUH4fzOOPchgm2OzJf75MfmwG31Y X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" =20 wrote: > > Hi Joe I don't know much about the tech side of all you guys TXing=20 > but i do know that there where some good sounding AM stations back=20 in=20 > the mid 70's to mid 90's. One that comes to mind is "THE BIG 610=20 KFRC"!!! Had to fix that!!!! > JS > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Collins" =20 > wrote: > > > > This is off subject but I had to post a comment. This weekend, I=20 > have been kicking back and listening to some aircheck tapes from my=20 > Big Box `O Tapes=85. Lots of them are from the early 80's. It hit me=20 > how GOOD these radio stations sounded=85 Yeah, they were playing=20 mostly=20 > vinyl but that's not what I'm talking about. The debate over=20 whether=20 > Vinyl sounds better than CD is for another time=85. The SOUND is so=20 > dynamic and warm with no grunge and no distortion. I realize that=20 > all of these stations I'm digging on were using the Optimod 8000.=20=20 I=20 > get on line and track down the PDF of the service manual so I can=20 > learn more about the original Optimod. (Thanks Bob!) First off, the=20 > thing that jumps out at me is the unit's utter simplicity. Simple=20 is=20 > good! Yeah, this is 25 year old technology but it was a simple=20 > concept even then=85 Brilliant, efficient use of what was available=20 at=20 > the time. Secondly, the eloquence of design, especially in the=20 high=20 > frequency limiter section, is pure genius. This box was designed=20 to=20 > get audio through a transmitter without making itself noticed.=20=20 Audio=20 > integrity is respected from input to output=85 It used no=20 clipping!=20=20=20 > What the hell happened? All of the new stuff sounds metallic,=20 > crushed and synthetic compared with what I've been enjoying.=20=20 > >=20 > >=20=20 > >=20 > > So, in 25 years, the broadcast industry's quest to be`the loudest=20 > damn thing on the dial' has brought us to an age where we have=20 ultra=20 > stable DSP based audio processing that is used to band- limit, pump=20 > and clip the life out of the input audio instead of gently helping=20 it=20 > through the transmitter=85 How sad. I thought Digital would put a=20 stop=20 > to this foolishness but I guess I was wrong.=20=20 > >=20 > >=20=20 > >=20 > > Anyhow, here is a thought. Would it not be cool to find one of=20 > these units, tune it up and put on line with today's digital=20 > technology feeding it pristine audio? There would be several=20 > advantages: > >=20 > >=20=20 > >=20 > > 1. The Opitmod 8000 did not incorporate phase rotators. The=20 > reason that I point out their absence is to further point out that=20 > not having a phase rotator in the circuit would be advantageous=20 with=20 > today's highly processed CD audio. The `hyper compression' that CD=20 > mastering houses use today causes problems for audio processors=20 that=20 > employ a phase rotating circuit. What happens is that the circuit=20 > tends to take the `fat top' square wave patterns caused by heavy=20 > digital limiting and splatter them all over the waveform. The end=20 > result is a grungy, hashy sound that cannot be tuned out of the=20 audio=20 > no matter how much or how little the processing is dialed up. No=20 > phase rotator, no problem. > >=20 > > 2. The 800) is a full band unit. Most audio processing today=20 > splits audio up into anywhere from 2 to 6 bands. Acting like an=20 > automatic equalizer, this tends to make everything sound sonically=20 > uniform from one song to the next. It is also done to allow harder=20 > processing of audio while not introducing pumping and breathing.=20=20 The=20 > end effect is a homogenizing effect. Everything sounds the same=20 and=20 > if you then add in frequency cancelled clipping, you get the=20 > ingredients that mix to cause listener fatigue. People just get=20 > tired of hearing the audio and feel it necessary to either change=20 the=20 > station or turn it off even if the programming is something they=20 > would otherwise enjoy=85 A full band unit does not induce this kind=20 of=20 > effect because the spectral shaping of the audio changes with each=20 > new song or spot. Therefore, every new song played sounds fresh to=20 > the ear when the mind compares it with the one last played. You=20 find=20 > yourself wanting to keep listening and listening because the sound=20 is=20 > constantly being refreshed. Multi-band limiting robs the listener=20 of=20 > that effect. > >=20 > > 3. Because the 8000 is designed to be almost completely=20 > transparent, there is not a whole lot of short term dynamics=20 > processing: just enough to keep it legal and provide basic gain=20 > riding. This preserves the sonic integrity of music and makes=20 voices=20 > sound lifelike. The most gain reduction you could get out of it=20 was=20 > 15 dB. You see, this unit was designed for a time when there was=20 > always an operator in the studio watching the levels. It even has=20 a=20 > G/R meter output on the back of the unit so you could wire one of=20 the=20 > VU meters in the console to show G/R to the operator on the air.=20=20 > That would have been critical when broadcasting super dynamic=20 > classical music. An educated operator could hand-ride the gain to=20 > keep the Optimod happy through an entire piece of music. With=20 > today's automation oriented programming delivery, it is not=20 > reasonable to expect someone to be in the studio to ride levels.=20=20 The=20 > solution? Use the 8000's limiter only mode and place an Aphex=20 > Compeller in front of it. The Compeller can be set up to invisibly=20 > ride gain and it has the added advantage of being able to correct=20 > slight channel balance problems when it is setup to only link the=20 > leveler and not the compressor. If you were to run an average of=20 10=20 > dB of gain reduction on the Compeller and then about 5 dB on the=20 > 8000, you would have plenty of audio pull-up power and more than=20 > enough headroom to limit any audio that might come blasting=20 through.=20=20 > It would be so smooth, you'd think that someone was setting there=20 > riding the gain! > >=20 > > 4. These units always had a very warm sound that I really=20 like.=20=20 > The HF limiters are subtle and handle most high frequency energy=20 > well. You can just occasionally hear them grab at a big cymbal=20 crash=20 > but they never change the `psss-shhhhh' to a `pwu-slpat' like later=20 > HF limiter designs do. Most modern CD's tend to be on the warm=20 side,=20 > anyway. With, careful adjusting of the release time in the 8000,=20 you=20 > could probably tune out any undesired ducking effects in older,=20 > crisper material such as CD's pressed in the 80's. The lack of high=20 > end clipping and the fact that it would not sound `worked' like=20 most=20 > modern processors do to high end components, would more than=20 > compensate for the occasional artifact left over from HF limiting. > >=20 > >=20=20 > >=20 > > Now the question you'll no doubt be asking is, "Is this=20 > competitive?" The answer all depends on how you define that term.=20=20 > If you want to be louder than everything else on the dial than, no,=20 > this isn't for you=85 However, if TSL numbers are important to you=20 and=20 > you want to have truly great audio quality, this would be a great=20 way=20 > to get there. It would be absolutely wonderful to hear Classic=20 Rock,=20 > Jazz or mainstream AC through an air chain like that=85. You know=20 > what other format would sound great? Hip-hop! The lack of any=20 multi- > band processing would really keep that bass pumped up and the punch=20 > of the beats would really jump through the radio.=20=20 > >=20 > >=20=20 > >=20 > > Just my opinion=85 Your thoughts? > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Mon May 29 03:52:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79747 invoked from network); 29 May 2006 10:52:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2006 10:52:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-MTAout4.csiro.au) (150.229.64.41) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2006 10:52:12 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.56]) by vic-MTAout4.csiro.au with ESMTP; 29 May 2006 20:53:47 +1000 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,183,1146405600"; d="scan'208"; a="80927694:sNHT30766508" Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au ([138.194.10.10]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 29 May 2006 20:51:09 +1000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k4TAp8dp019135 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 20:51:09 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 20:51:08 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Return-Path: dav259@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 May 2006 10:51:09.0675 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB638BB0:01C6830D] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.64.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 X-eGroups-From: Ian Davidson From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [BeautifulInstrumentals] Re: Marlin's CD song request project (fwd) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=_5rRjFiL9JuXmhaShfq5H-4Oxy8lDYX2UiPHP50vrjDl Hello Possums ... from Oz. (epsecially Johnny Electron) Kevin's message below really motivated me to try and get some "beautiful instrumentals" on to our local Melbourne FM commercial radio. In 26 years I've never liked one of our commercial FM stations. I guess that's why I've supported AM stereo so much. We've recently got a new commercial FM station (Vega) doing all the wrong things and rating 1.2% after six months. WHY WON'T FM STATIONS PLAY WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR? I have much more to say on this ... Just get me started! Ian Melbourne ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ian Davidson G'day Possum! Your posts have been so good for me. In the one below, it's obvious that there is a Beautiful Instrumentals Yahoo list. I don't join lists willy nilly - and in fact the only lists I'm on are radio lists. But I immediately tried to join this one. Because this is the way I want radio to go. This list is moderated. I tried to join 10 hours ago and haven't got on. Can you please help me? I have so much to say! Stuff I need to say. My email address is ian.davidson@csiro.au. I don't know what I need to say to get on ... But a couple of days ago I bought (at Borders' Book) a "recent" digitalised version CD of The King and I. It's awesome as in what wasn't on the original Capitol vinyl LP. I've almost been keeping my favourite music in check just hoping Magic 693 would go back to stereo. I bought the iPod as a sort of consolation prize. But I love it! All of a sudden I'm searching for stuff to put on it. Just as I used to seach for good music ... as the young do today. In my view, us baby boomers have a lot to say ... and most of us haven't even started. cheers Ian _________________________________________ On Fri, 26 May 2006, Possum Hunter wrote: > Did Anita Kerr do any custom work, other than Radio Station Jingles? I > have > the Anita Kerr WLS jingle package from 1961. Those are the BEST radio > jingles I have ever heard. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "adr0322" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 3:46 PM > Subject: [BeautifulInstrumentals] Re: Marlin's CD song request project > > > >I believe Bradleigh is correct that Paul Mauriat, James Last and > > Hollyridge Strings never did custom work. Also, to my knowledge, > > Franck Pourcel, Ray Connif, and A. Kostelantz never did anything > > custom. Please correct me if I am wrong. > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon May 29 04:57:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96868 invoked from network); 29 May 2006 11:57:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2006 11:57:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2006 11:57:14 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-78-18.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.51.78.18] helo=PossumHunter) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FkgM9-0005br-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 29 May 2006 07:56:21 -0400 Message-ID: <007801c68316$e0f17ec0$6805a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 07:56:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [BeautifulInstrumentals] Re: Marlin's CD song request project (fwd) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=-OXEjH5KpnM0Mqq2xvp9-pUB80Ap8-QILvFjvaV0UgqR9E3YHfB0ik9h2gk2qQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Ian Davidson wrote: > WHY WON'T FM STATIONS PLAY WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR? Because they paid lots of money for a consultant to tell them what to play. This consultant paid lots of money to do music research in a place far, far away from your local station, so it will not take in account the local music tastes.In fact, that music research may have been done in the United States! This why EVERY station that has the same format sounds the same. It is so bad now you even notice this when listening to webcasts of radio station from all over the globe! Hit music stations in the UK, Australia, and Carribian sound JUST LIKE our local WAPE-FM. When I was a kid (now I am sounding like my grandfather) Every radio market had a unique sound. I just couldnt wait for the Sun to set each evening so I could listen to my favorite stations, WLS, WCFL, WABC, and XEROK. I would get my dose of Bach and fall to sleep listening to Classical on WQXR. When Rock stations WRNO "The Rock Of The World" and "Super-Power" KUSW came on Short-wave, I was in radio heaven! Today, my radio choices are pretty limitted. The best entertainment radio station I can get, you should be able to hear, WBCQ "The Planet" broadcasts all sorts of GREAT programming during the weekends. (Bible thumpers pay the bills during the week) You may want to give them a try. My favorite show is Free Speech Rock and Roll, hosted by the Timtron. Tim Smith WA1HLR "Timtron" AKA "Captain Caveman" is WBCQ's Cheif Engineer and radio nut. WBCQ's web site is here: http://www.wbcq.com/ To see Timtron's Ham Station on HLR Mountain, click here: http://home.worldnet.att.net/~wa1sov/meet_the_amers/wa1hlr.html Another great station is a local 640 WVLG. I also spend a lot of time listening to 1540 ZNS-1 http://www.znsbahamas.com/ If you like "REAL" talk radio, you may want to check out a group a friend of mine and I are putting together, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LibertyTalk/ Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon May 29 08:12:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77423 invoked from network); 29 May 2006 15:12:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2006 15:12:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2006 15:12:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 29 May 2006 08:12:01 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.42 by BAY106-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 29 May 2006 15:11:58 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 15:11:58 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 May 2006 15:12:01.0838 (UTC) FILETIME=[3CCE14E0:01C68332] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Memorial Day X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=IBRaWlSEh4ppY14bxbgTEeL0ckYC6JheWZioZx-HstjnLmHJ-bXtKWKNnM8 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a short Thank you to all the veteran's on the list. Like most holidays, the real purpose and meaning of Memorial Day often gets lost in the Memorial Days sales (everything from mattresses to cars to beer) and we don't take time to thank or do much for our veterans. I think if more politicians past and present had been active duty military, instead of taking numerous deferments, our veterans and current military members would get more than "lip service" thank you's several times a year. Happy Veterans Day and thank you to all who have served, past and present! Donn -----Original Message----- From: Possum Hunter Sent: Mon, 29 May 2006 04:56:10 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [BeautifulInstrumentals] Re: Marlin's CD song request project (fwd) Ian Davidson wrote: > WHY WON'T FM STATIONS PLAY WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR? Because they paid lots of money for a consultant to tell them what to play. This consultant paid lots of money to do music research in a place far, far away from your local station, so it will not take in account the local music tastes.In fact, that music research may have been done in the United States! This why EVERY station that has the same format sounds the same. It is so bad now you even notice this when listening to webcasts of radio station from all over the globe! Hit music stations in the UK, Australia, and Carribian sound JUST LIKE our local WAPE-FM. When I was a kid (now I am sounding like my grandfather) Every radio market had a unique sound. I just couldnt wait for the Sun to set each evening so I could listen to my favorite stations, WLS, WCFL, WABC, and XEROK. I would get my dose of Bach and fall to sleep listening to Classical on WQXR. When Rock stations WRNO "The Rock Of The World" and "Super-Power" KUSW came on Short-wave, I was in radio heaven! Today, my radio choices are pretty limitted. The best entertainment radio station I can get, you should be able to hear, WBCQ "The Planet" broadcasts all sorts of GREAT programming during the weekends. (Bible thumpers pay the bills during the week) You may want to give them a try. My favorite show is Free Speech Rock and Roll, hosted by the Timtron. Tim Smith WA1HLR "Timtron" AKA "Captain Caveman" is WBCQ's Cheif Engineer and radio nut. WBCQ's web site is here: http://www.wbcq.com/ To see Timtron's Ham Station on HLR Mountain, click here: http://home.worldnet.att.net/~wa1sov/meet_the_amers/wa1hlr.html Another great station is a local 640 WVLG. I also spend a lot of time listening to 1540 ZNS-1 http://www.znsbahamas.com/ If you like "REAL" talk radio, you may want to check out a group a friend of mine and I are putting together, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LibertyTalk/ Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon May 29 08:26:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61970 invoked from network); 29 May 2006 15:20:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2006 15:20:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.96) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2006 15:20:13 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 29 May 2006 08:20:09 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.42 by BAY106-DAV24.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 29 May 2006 15:20:07 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 15:20:07 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 May 2006 15:20:09.0194 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F4AB4A0:01C68333] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.96 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [BeautifulInstrumentals] Re: Marlin's CD song request project (fwd) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=alxSq7vn1d7yJud4SVoQ0-HEC_E6tlodqNd6vlbMJGUXgmPqEhOBS0QqpOo X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good Monday Possum, Don't know if you know it, but when 640 a.m. in Wildwood came on the air in 1986, the call letter were WHOF (Heart of Florida) and they had a format pretty much like they do now AND they were C-QUAM stereo; then around 1994 they were sold and we a satellite Bible Thumper and the stereo was turned off after a few month, then they were sold again to The Villages; but they have never returned to stereo. I cannot pick them up here (St Petersburg) at all day or night due to the strong Cuban station on 640, which comes in like a local even during the day. Where my parents live (11 miles south of Bushnell,FL) WVLG comes in well during the day and most nights as well, but some nights the Cuban 640 strongly interferes. If they could get a slight power boast and return to AM stereo, it would be perfect. A power boast could not be much though, unless they went directional because of WJNA 640 in the Palm Beaches, which plays music from the 1940's to the 1960's. They are live and local from 6am to midnight, then overnight, they appear to be locally automated from what I've heard, as opposed to satellite. Donn -----Original Message----- From: Possum Hunter Sent: Mon, 29 May 2006 04:56:10 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [BeautifulInstrumentals] Re: Marlin's CD song request project (fwd) Ian Davidson wrote: > WHY WON'T FM STATIONS PLAY WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR? Because they paid lots of money for a consultant to tell them what to play. This consultant paid lots of money to do music research in a place far, far away from your local station, so it will not take in account the local music tastes.In fact, that music research may have been done in the United States! This why EVERY station that has the same format sounds the same. It is so bad now you even notice this when listening to webcasts of radio station from all over the globe! Hit music stations in the UK, Australia, and Carribian sound JUST LIKE our local WAPE-FM. When I was a kid (now I am sounding like my grandfather) Every radio market had a unique sound. I just couldnt wait for the Sun to set each evening so I could listen to my favorite stations, WLS, WCFL, WABC, and XEROK. I would get my dose of Bach and fall to sleep listening to Classical on WQXR. When Rock stations WRNO "The Rock Of The World" and "Super-Power" KUSW came on Short-wave, I was in radio heaven! Today, my radio choices are pretty limitted. The best entertainment radio station I can get, you should be able to hear, WBCQ "The Planet" broadcasts all sorts of GREAT programming during the weekends. (Bible thumpers pay the bills during the week) You may want to give them a try. My favorite show is Free Speech Rock and Roll, hosted by the Timtron. Tim Smith WA1HLR "Timtron" AKA "Captain Caveman" is WBCQ's Cheif Engineer and radio nut. WBCQ's web site is here: http://www.wbcq.com/ To see Timtron's Ham Station on HLR Mountain, click here: http://home.worldnet.att.net/~wa1sov/meet_the_amers/wa1hlr.html Another great station is a local 640 WVLG. I also spend a lot of time listening to 1540 ZNS-1 http://www.znsbahamas.com/ If you like "REAL" talk radio, you may want to check out a group a friend of mine and I are putting together, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LibertyTalk/ Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kjones_731@yahoo.com Mon May 29 08:51:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kjones_731@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63198 invoked from network); 29 May 2006 15:51:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2006 15:51:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.187) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2006 15:51:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2006 15:51:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2006 15:51:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2006 15:51:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 15:51:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.237.64.163 From: "kjones_731" Subject: Radio Rewound WABC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=58737040; y=KOp3g2VMkbu1TFzbBR9ZbKf5ZX5uk0ka-50H5UjP76H9Ro3lOQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kjones_731 Just a note that WBAC 770 AM MONO is doing their Memorial Day show=20 till 6pm edt. Can pick them up on the internet. They are playing old=20 clips from the 50's to 70's commercials and all. Then from 6-8pm they=20 are having a live talk show on old radio and dj's. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon May 29 09:18:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83093 invoked from network); 29 May 2006 16:18:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2006 16:18:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.74) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2006 16:18:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 29 May 2006 09:17:34 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.46 by BAY106-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 29 May 2006 16:17:32 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 16:17:31 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 May 2006 16:17:34.0276 (UTC) FILETIME=[64B88040:01C6833B] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Rewound WABC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=xuBz9D0Fkdi1aC2VIQFxr1kxowSOiwix51j9vsIQIQuFSe7jpFabgKabVw0 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the info. Donn, now listening to WABC, instead of XM -----Original Message----- From: kjones_731 Sent: Mon, 29 May 2006 08:51:37 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Radio Rewound WABC Just a note that WBAC 770 AM MONO is doing their Memorial Day show till 6pm edt. Can pick them up on the internet. They are playing old clips from the 50's to 70's commercials and all. Then from 6-8pm they are having a live talk show on old radio and dj's. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon May 29 09:36:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40722 invoked from network); 29 May 2006 16:36:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2006 16:36:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2006 16:36:00 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-78-18.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.51.78.18] helo=PossumHunter) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FkkiL-0004F3-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:35:33 -0400 Message-ID: <01ae01c6833d$e2068680$6805a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 12:35:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Rewound WABC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=KRXvt4sLRBR25VIhdFo3OQ2Npo7IX-SUhn8qF8IPNAJY2ktf-rUw17br_oAfvQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Donn Tillman wrote: > now listening to WABC, instead of XM Not only am I listening to WABC, I am BROADCASTING it on my part 15 on 1620! It is the best radio that has been broadcast in Florida since WAPE 690 was on the air! When you listen to flashbacks of the glory days of AM Radio, then listen to AM and FM today, it makes you wonder what in the Hell happened to GOOD radio? We had better enjoy it today, because tomorrow it will be back to the same old canned programming Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougharding@bellsouth.net Mon May 29 11:05:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66034 invoked from network); 29 May 2006 18:05:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2006 18:05:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.213) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2006 18:05:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n22.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2006 18:05:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2006 18:05:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2006 18:05:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 18:05:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01ae01c6833d$e2068680$6805a8c0@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.6.205.68 From: "douglasharding" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Rewound WABC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352; y=VeyBUMRLRxrHU82dWtOsDVTlptHAty48IwGkC8b6Z2lX2ZRbR3ygKmc X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding WOW this is incredible! I was home today so I thought I would check what was going on in the forum. I have been listening all day. I love it. Thanks for letting us all know.=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > > Donn Tillman wrote: > > now listening to WABC, instead of XM >=20 > Not only am I listening to WABC, I am BROADCASTING it on my part 15 on 1620! >=20 > It is the best radio that has been broadcast in Florida since WAPE 690 was on the air! >=20 > When you listen to flashbacks of the glory days of AM Radio, then listen to AM and FM today, it makes you wonder what in the Hell happened to GOOD radio? >=20 > We had better enjoy it today, because tomorrow it will be back to the same old canned programming >=20 > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon May 29 18:35:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88809 invoked from network); 30 May 2006 01:35:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2006 01:35:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2006 01:35:18 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-78-18.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.51.78.18] helo=PossumHunter) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Fkt8c-0002Np-00; Mon, 29 May 2006 21:35:14 -0400 Message-ID: <036201c68389$45dc46e0$6805a8c0@PossumHunter> To: , Cc: "Liberty Talk" Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 21:35:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Grundig Sattelit 800 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=BXGpAsngty14tN1yuO-SXNQ-saZqbKl8-GGdm9At-CyoPR1tadQeN_9aJlzPSg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Have you lost sleep because you missed out on the chance to buy a Grundig Sattelit 800? Don't cry too much because the Sattelit 800 was just a re-labled TECSUN HAM2000 and is still being manufactured! http://www.tecsun.com.cn/ Possum "Governor, if I had foreseen the use those people designed to make of their victory, there would have been no surrender at Appomattox Courthouse; no sir, not by me. Had I foreseen these results of subjugation, I would have preferred to die at Appomattox with my brave men, my sword in this right hand. " -- General Robert E. Lee to Governor Stockdale of Texas From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue May 30 16:42:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68080 invoked from network); 30 May 2006 23:39:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2006 23:39:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.207) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2006 23:39:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2006 23:37:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2006 23:37:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2006 23:37:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 23:37:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.19.228 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Local service does count for something.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=eyiQfNYraKGUifpGXoQm50JkSfgsnI7W_Q13BDBLryZGeUDu X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie From the two local dailies around here: http://www.eurekareporter.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?ArticleID=3D11690 http://times-standard.com/fastsearchresults/ci_3809619 See? Live and local actually counts for something! :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Tue May 30 17:00:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44584 invoked from network); 30 May 2006 23:37:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2006 23:37:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO act-MTAout2.csiro.au) (150.229.7.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2006 23:37:09 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.56]) by act-MTAout2.csiro.au with ESMTP; 31 May 2006 09:24:46 +1000 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,191,1146405600"; d="scan'208,217"; a="96594596:sNHT40359416" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 31 May 2006 09:24:16 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 09:24:16 +1000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Magic 1278 - The New Magic Thread-Index: AcZsypjJ4cHmK3DJTC2DRkZ3T7QcKwXdJBMQ To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2006 23:24:16.0729 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B628C90:01C68440] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.7.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: Magic 1278 - The New Magic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=3fcDRp8695ZhGJCbDctq6TrzFbCqVD1aduS8YJDh-dpN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At least one good thing about Magic 693 changing frequencies to 1278 is that at long last they are streaming (unfortunately in mono). http://www.magic1278.com.au/index.html There's been a lot of complaints from Victorian country and Northern Tasmanian listeners who no longer can pick up Magic clearly if at all. But the station manager points out it's a Melbourne licence and these listeners should lobby for better local stations. 1278 Magic is still transmitting in mono. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue May 30 20:10:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2040 invoked from network); 31 May 2006 03:10:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2006 03:10:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.159) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2006 03:10:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 56311 invoked by uid 60001); 31 May 2006 03:10:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20060531031017.56309.qmail@web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.240.145.98] by web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 May 2006 20:10:16 PDT Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 20:10:16 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1149043142.1695.35448.m17@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Music on 'Magic' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=UoQGpfD0QeO0XcOl1Voi1iT6rbFUFj5cMQSYFywxVFUQVp-2vjNGLI0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio > Ozonian Ian wrote: Hello Possums ... from Oz...to try and get some "beautiful instrumentals" on to our local Melbourne FM commercial radio." Hi Ian: Why won't Magic 693, or whatever their new frequency is, play these instrumentals? Is the new Magic's STL only mono, or why aren't they in CQuam stereo anymore? This is one reason why satellite radio is becoming popular among radio lovers in the USA & Canada: where else can you hear Radio Dramas, Beautiful Instrumentals, Vocal Standards, Big Band Music of the 40s, and a channel devoted to Movie Soundtracks? SatRad, that's where. My only beef is that they've loaded-up the SatRad so much that they audio quality has gone down, except for the two surround-sound channels. In fact, Stereo AM from CFCO sounds better than half of the satellite radio channels! Good luck with the music directors of your station Ian! J.E. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Tue May 30 21:21:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68530 invoked from network); 31 May 2006 04:21:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2006 04:21:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO act-MTAout4.csiro.au) (150.229.7.41) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2006 04:21:26 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.56]) by act-MTAout4.csiro.au with ESMTP; 31 May 2006 14:21:50 +1000 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,191,1146405600"; d="scan'208"; a="96635967:sNHT30444616" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 31 May 2006 14:21:20 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 14:21:20 +1000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Music on 'Magic' Thread-Index: AcaEX8MvdzvUXPv0SZyU8HqOfKTnWwABlfXg To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 May 2006 04:21:20.0755 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB551430:01C68469] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.7.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Music on 'Magic' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=1dhe15cz5DwWhtYC46cCA2DF9nbtbmUTRf3I5sJF_oAn -----Original Message----- From: Johnny Electron > Why won't Magic 693, or whatever their new frequency is, play > these instrumentals? Is the new Magic's STL only mono, or why > aren't they in Cquam stereo anymore? "1278 - The New Magic" does play these instrumentals. But after listening to them in glorious AM stereo for 20 years it's such a come down to have to settle for just hearing them in AM mono.=20=20 Why doesn't Magic go back to stereo? How long is a piece of string? They still rate OK. I guess there's no compelling reason to. Melbourne now has six commercial FM stations (and five commercial AM stations). In 26 years of commercial FM radio no station has ever been game to play this "daggy" music as it's not considered hip. In many ways the six commercial FM stations all sound like clones of each other. Playing "hip" music on a hip FM station used to guarantee high ratings. But not anymore. We now have two FM stations regularly rating below AM music stations - and heaps below the AM talk stations. The baby boomers have been waiting for 26 years! I feel like Peter Finch in 'Network'. I'm as angry as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore!!! > This is one reason why satellite radio is becoming popular among > radio lovers in the USA & Canada: where else can you hear Radio > Dramas, Beautiful Instrumentals, Vocal Standards, Big Band Music > of the 40s, and a channel devoted to Movie Soundtracks? SatRad, > that's where. My only beef is that they've loaded-up the SatRad > so much that they audio quality has gone down, except for the > two surround-sound channels. In fact, Stereo AM from CFCO > sounds better than half of the satellite radio channels! Hmmmmm .. Sounds good. I don't think our population is big enough to make satellite radio viable. Hey - maybe when our friends in Indonesia take us over! :) Ian From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed May 31 04:57:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51423 invoked from network); 31 May 2006 11:57:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2006 11:57:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.27) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2006 11:57:50 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 31 May 2006 04:56:24 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 31 May 2006 11:56:21 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Bcc: Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 11:56:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 May 2006 11:56:24.0340 (UTC) FILETIME=[3D898540:01C684A9] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Music on 'Magic' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=3825qo3040Z8v_CWK_vymzhAjXyxUf1lvLYUmZxZO8eH7mWLbhzf4DnLeT4 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Hi Ian, I went to the url for the Magic website, and it came up with alright, but I could not find where to click to listen to their streaming. Could you please give me a big hint where the "listen" button or "live streaming" button is? From where I am, the XM sound quality is just as good as the fm's, since most of the fm's don't seem to take much pride in their stereo separation or have the time, since most engineers are trying to juggle 4 or 5 fm;s and several am's) and while I do think am stereo has better sound quality, I not in an area where I can pick up the one am stereo station in Florida. (unless I take my radio in the driveway and put the loop beside it); If I lived in Bartow, Fl, I would have to admit that AM-stereo 1130 WWBF sounds better than XM. Donn st. petersburg,f From: Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Music on 'Magic' Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 14:21:20 +1000 -----Original Message----- From: Johnny Electron >Why won't Magic 693, or whatever their new frequency is, play >these instrumentals? Is the new Magic's STL only mono, or why >aren't they in Cquam stereo anymore? "1278 - The New Magic" does play these instrumentals. But after listening to them in glorious AM stereo for 20 years it's such a come down to have to settle for just hearing them in AM mono. Why doesn't Magic go back to stereo? How long is a piece of string? They still rate OK. I guess there's no compelling reason to. Melbourne now has six commercial FM stations (and five commercial AM stations). In 26 years of commercial FM radio no station has ever been game to play this "daggy" music as it's not considered hip. In many ways the six commercial FM stations all sound like clones of each other. Playing "hip" music on a hip FM station used to guarantee high ratings. But not anymore. We now have two FM stations regularly rating below AM music stations - and heaps below the AM talk stations. The baby boomers have been waiting for 26 years! I feel like Peter Finch in 'Network'. I'm as angry as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore!!! >This is one reason why satellite radio is becoming popular among >radio lovers in the USA & Canada: where else can you hear Radio >Dramas, Beautiful Instrumentals, Vocal Standards, Big Band Music >of the 40s, and a channel devoted to Movie Soundtracks? SatRad, >that's where. My only beef is that they've loaded-up the SatRad >so much that they audio quality has gone down, except for the >two surround-sound channels. In fact, Stereo AM from CFCO >sounds better than half of the satellite radio channels! Hmmmmm .. Sounds good. I don't think our population is big enough to make satellite radio viable. Hey - maybe when our friends in Indonesia take us over! :) Ian Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum SPONSORED LINKS Stereo High performance Digital radio YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From tomray@wor710.com Wed May 31 09:16:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58390 invoked from network); 31 May 2006 16:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2006 16:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2006 16:16:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2006 16:16:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2006 16:16:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 16:16:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Radiosophy shipping in July X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=390qKjWyb-k3D8FG69EG2D5N4SScfLua5OA52VhvoXhANhH9 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "mrcomment" =20 wrote: > B*llshit once again. The only reason you cannot do AM stereo is=20 > that you-know-who is not going to write the code for it because they=20 > do not want anything other than IBOC and they control the chipset.=20=20 > The Kenwood and other radios like the Radiosophy are pure DSP I&Q=20 > radios and can decode ANY modulation in the bandwidth if they wanted=20 > to including double-sideband, single-sideband, VSB, CQUAM, Kahn,=20 > DRM, etc., etc. The only hope of a multistandard radio is going to=20 > come from an independent IBOC implementation and since the so- > called 'standard' is missing a lot of critical pieces, this is not=20 > likely to happen any time soon. > Perhaps you should talk to Kenwood, who I think has considerably more=20 design smarts than you. The reason has nothing to do with=20 iBiquity....it was a physical limitation in the radio and had to do=20 with demodulation of the RF carrier. Basically, it is one or the=20 other to make it work correctly. Tom Ray WOR From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed May 31 11:11:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94172 invoked from network); 31 May 2006 18:09:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2006 18:09:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2006 18:09:34 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-78-18.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.51.78.18] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FlV8E-0003xF-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 31 May 2006 14:09:22 -0400 Message-ID: <020101c684dd$5684f230$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 14:09:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radiosophy shipping in July X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=P4_bSNYWUgILaK00fiU2VLuvjABhqmlRK8KhLH9TaIWtts81ZOdmofR-XUCuuA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Ray wrote: > Perhaps you should talk to Kenwood, who I think has considerably more design smarts than you. While I do have a LOT of respect for the Engineering department at Kenwood, I have to wonder about this one. Vistion didn't have a problem building a HD/C-Quam compatible AM-FM-CD car radio. Kenwood built some of the best AM Stereo car radios to ever come out of Japan in the 1980s. They didn't have problem building the KRC-959 that sensed the pilot tone to switch to C-QUAM, ISB, Magnavox, or Harris Stereo. It would be a simple matter to install a Circuit that would switch the DSP into C-QUAM mode when the radio senses the Stereo Pilot. I am sure this is how Vistion did it. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mrcomment@yahoo.com Wed May 31 16:06:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mrcomment@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58847 invoked from network); 31 May 2006 22:41:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2006 22:41:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.210) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2006 22:41:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2006 22:39:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2006 22:39:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2006 22:39:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 22:39:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.141.13.189 From: "mrcomment" Subject: Re: Radiosophy shipping in July X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193606338; y=pb5WINXTHA543nKKuFxsxeO44bRi2ria358tqmz3LyRelgdk X-Yahoo-Profile: mrcomment --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "mrcomment" =20 > wrote: > > B*llshit once again. The only reason you cannot do AM stereo is=20 > > that you-know-who is not going to write the code for it because=20 they=20 > > do not want anything other than IBOC and they control the=20 chipset.=20=20 > > The Kenwood and other radios like the Radiosophy are pure DSP=20 I&Q=20 > > radios and can decode ANY modulation in the bandwidth if they=20 wanted=20 > > to including double-sideband, single-sideband, VSB, CQUAM, Kahn,=20 > > DRM, etc., etc. The only hope of a multistandard radio is going=20 to=20 > > come from an independent IBOC implementation and since the so- > > called 'standard' is missing a lot of critical pieces, this is=20 not=20 > > likely to happen any time soon. > > >=20 >=20 > Perhaps you should talk to Kenwood, who I think has considerably=20 more=20 > design smarts than you. The reason has nothing to do with=20 > iBiquity....it was a physical limitation in the radio and had to=20 do=20 > with demodulation of the RF carrier. Basically, it is one or the=20 > other to make it work correctly. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > Perhaps you should also get PhD in electrical engineering and then=20 you are qualified to talk to me about it. Without going into=20 specifics, I know exactly what is in these radios and I know that=20 saying you can't do it is b*llshift. In order to demodulate IBOC,=20 you must have I&Q over the full bandwidth and this is entirely=20 sufficient to decode CQUAM. Of course, you cannot run CQUAM at the=20 same time as IBOC, but that is not the point. I can also tell you=20 that Kenwood has very little involvement in the radio design other=20 than putting it in the box. From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Wed May 31 16:30:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73693 invoked from network); 31 May 2006 23:17:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2006 23:17:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-MTAout4.csiro.au) (150.229.64.39) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2006 23:17:10 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.56]) by vic-MTAout4.csiro.au with ESMTP; 01 Jun 2006 09:20:05 +1000 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,195,1146405600"; d="scan'208,217"; a="81318808:sNHT41288280" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:16:59 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:16:58 +1000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Music on 'Magic' Thread-Index: AcaEqXPQTNcjA38URsKLaZfj49gezwAXbh0g To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 May 2006 23:16:59.0191 (UTC) FILETIME=[51014C70:01C68508] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.64.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Music on 'Magic' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=4LABiA1vWEe0vQvm_MWDBUDEokCf5aqbE6QWI0TWYrr5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Donn Tillman I went to the url for the Magic website, and it came up with alright, but I could not find where to click to listen to their streaming. Could you please give me a big hint where the "listen" button or "live streaming" button is? There's a black and yellow scrolling message in the top centre just beneath the Magic logo saying "audio streaming now available" with "click here" just beneath it. Steve (remember quiet Steve from Oregon!!) is impressed. He's already received a message back from Magic thanking him for his compliments. http://www.magic1278.com.au/index.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Thu Jun 01 09:48:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34877 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 16:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2006 16:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.190) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 16:48:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n23.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2006 16:46:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2006 16:46:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2006 16:46:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 16:46:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Radiosophy shipping in July X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=pMN2jLZN4gIpgFrelCYLHtkr4xUaj9rv-opcPXh6GStT-kXp X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray And perhaps you should not border on personal attacks. I will not=20 stoop to your level. I have met with several Kenwood design engineers numerous times.=20=20 They design the radio. If you are so knowlegeable regarding what=20 goes on in these radios, perhaps you could block diagram it for=20 persons in this forum and explain everything that is going on in=20 these radios. I highly doubt you could do it. There is more going=20 on than you would think. And, by the way, do you know what my degree is in? You don't know=20 that, either. Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "mrcomment" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "mrcomment" =20 > > wrote: > > > B*llshit once again. The only reason you cannot do AM stereo=20 is=20 > > > that you-know-who is not going to write the code for it=20 because=20 > they=20 > > > do not want anything other than IBOC and they control the=20 > chipset.=20=20 > > > The Kenwood and other radios like the Radiosophy are pure DSP=20 > I&Q=20 > > > radios and can decode ANY modulation in the bandwidth if they=20 > wanted=20 > > > to including double-sideband, single-sideband, VSB, CQUAM,=20 Kahn,=20 > > > DRM, etc., etc. The only hope of a multistandard radio is=20 going=20 > to=20 > > > come from an independent IBOC implementation and since the so- > > > called 'standard' is missing a lot of critical pieces, this is=20 > not=20 > > > likely to happen any time soon. > > > > >=20 > >=20 > > Perhaps you should talk to Kenwood, who I think has considerably=20 > more=20 > > design smarts than you. The reason has nothing to do with=20 > > iBiquity....it was a physical limitation in the radio and had to=20 > do=20 > > with demodulation of the RF carrier. Basically, it is one or=20 the=20 > > other to make it work correctly. > >=20 > > Tom Ray > > WOR > > >=20 > Perhaps you should also get PhD in electrical engineering and then=20 > you are qualified to talk to me about it. Without going into=20 > specifics, I know exactly what is in these radios and I know that=20 > saying you can't do it is b*llshift. In order to demodulate IBOC,=20 > you must have I&Q over the full bandwidth and this is entirely=20 > sufficient to decode CQUAM. Of course, you cannot run CQUAM at=20 the=20 > same time as IBOC, but that is not the point. I can also tell you=20 > that Kenwood has very little involvement in the radio design other=20 > than putting it in the box. > From tomray@wor710.com Thu Jun 01 09:54:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83280 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 16:47:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2006 16:47:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.189) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 16:47:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n22.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2006 16:43:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2006 16:43:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2006 16:43:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 16:43:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <020101c684dd$5684f230$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Radiosophy shipping in July X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=8X8g8Qn4iFl9i0PZ9YD9WV96YFgBmhv9xcvfiaaf1041nmuf X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray The Visteon I had blew up after two weeks....and I have not seen one=20 since. And the one I had didn't work all that well in either mode. Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > Tom Ray wrote: > > Perhaps you should talk to Kenwood, who I think has considerably=20 more design smarts than you. >=20 > While I do have a LOT of respect for the Engineering department at=20 Kenwood, I have to wonder about this one. Vistion didn't have a=20 problem building a HD/C-Quam compatible AM-FM-CD car radio. Kenwood=20 built some of the best AM Stereo car radios to ever come out of=20 Japan in the 1980s. They didn't have problem building the KRC-959=20 that sensed the pilot tone to switch to C-QUAM, ISB, Magnavox, or=20 Harris Stereo. It would be a simple matter to install a Circuit that=20 would switch the DSP into C-QUAM mode when the radio senses the=20 Stereo Pilot. I am sure this is how Vistion did it. >=20 > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a=20 mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than=20 FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Thu Jun 01 12:15:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54076 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 18:54:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2006 18:54:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.153) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 18:54:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n10.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2006 18:49:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2006 18:49:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2006 18:49:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 18:49:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.184.96.32 From: "Mike" Subject: Re: Radiosophy shipping in July X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087; y=JtmLc8l-LChnXZfUqIH_I_gqCjgoYZWacUIL4A2MQjHtPKej X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio My 2 cents about Kenwood. Very poor tuner designs in their car=20 stereos and not the Kenwood of old. I've had a low end model and a=20 high end model within the last 2 years.. tuner performs exactly the=20 same (regardless of what they tell you in the specs). More glitz=20 than anything else, which is why I am looking towards JVC for in-car=20 HD. The FM's are usually much less sensitive and selective than other=20 aftermarket designs. Overloading is a problem. Stereo blend is=20 hyperactive.=20=20 AM has the usual narrowband issues, but their AM's have very sloppy=20 front ends that fall apart in high RF areas... I could hear WHLI=20 from 1070-1120 and under WBBR as far as 6-7 miles away from their=20 transmitter. Ditto with WLIE 540... slopping all the way up to 600=20 as far as 3-4 miles away. WMCA is wiped out.=20=20 By contrast, the Fujitsu Eclipse CD 3413 that replaced the Kenwood=20 exhibited NONE of the problems the Kenwood had. The stock radio (a=20 Visteon) also had no problems. In the city, forget it. Only the 50kw stations are any good and=20 most rimshots are out of earshot. As for Visteon, most of what they've made in the analog realm is=20 better than what you can get aftermarket (as far as tuners go), but=20 if Tom has had bad experiences with their HD tuners, that is an=20 issue they need to address. I only wish Kenwood would address their=20 issues.=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > The Visteon I had blew up after two weeks....and I have not seen=20 one=20 > since. And the one I had didn't work all that well in either mode. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 > wrote: > > > > Tom Ray wrote: > > > Perhaps you should talk to Kenwood, who I think has=20 considerably=20 > more design smarts than you. > >=20 > > While I do have a LOT of respect for the Engineering department=20 at=20 > Kenwood, I have to wonder about this one. Vistion didn't have a=20 > problem building a HD/C-Quam compatible AM-FM-CD car radio.=20 Kenwood=20 > built some of the best AM Stereo car radios to ever come out of=20 > Japan in the 1980s. They didn't have problem building the KRC-959=20 > that sensed the pilot tone to switch to C-QUAM, ISB, Magnavox, or=20 > Harris Stereo. It would be a simple matter to install a Circuit=20 that=20 > would switch the DSP into C-QUAM mode when the radio senses the=20 > Stereo Pilot. I am sure this is how Vistion did it. > >=20 > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a=20 > mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than=20 > FM. - Leonard Kahn > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > From tomray@wor710.com Thu Jun 01 18:35:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 937 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2006 01:35:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2006 01:35:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2006 01:35:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2006 01:35:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2006 01:35:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 01:35:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Radiosophy shipping in July X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=q74pOqWakfrrgSdnusXcqRU0TS-hrijywCHHNOvEYMe7q-Ks X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" wrote: > > My 2 cents about Kenwood. Very poor tuner designs in their car=20 > stereos and not the Kenwood of old. I've had a low end model and a=20 > high end model within the last 2 years.. tuner performs exactly the=20 > same (regardless of what they tell you in the specs). More glitz=20 > than anything else, which is why I am looking towards JVC for in-car=20 > HD. I had a Panasonic RX in the car. FM section was almost deaf. I literally thought that there were no FM stations to be had 40 miles from the city (and 20 miles from Newburgh, NY....I live outside of Newburgh). I put the Kenwood back in the car...what do you know, there are FM stations you can hear in this neck of the woods! I have a JVC in my wife's car. Analog AM section, while sensitive, has maybe 2-2.5K audio bandwidth and sounds like a mud puddle. The Kenwood's AM section is just as sensitive, yet has bandwidth out to 5-6K. Unfortunately, nothing these days is built like they used to. :-( Tom Ray WOR From matthew.trim@eds.com Thu Jun 01 18:48:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95903 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2006 01:48:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2006 01:48:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler2.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.142) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2006 01:47:52 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler2.mail.eds.com (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k521l41T002303 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:47:04 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k521kiNh002906 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:46:44 +1000 Received: from aubwm051.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.159.13]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k521kP4R002740 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:46:44 +1000 Received: from aubwm010.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.166.96]) by aubwm051.apac.corp.eds.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:46:56 +1000 Received: from aubwm208.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.176.248]) by aubwm010.apac.corp.eds.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:46:55 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:46:53 +1000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Good AM Bandwidth cheap pocket/armband digital tuned radio - Jensen SAB-55 Thread-Index: AcaF5S/0emQos4aYReG7vOUxk4NAGgAAFIBA To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2006 01:46:55.0879 (UTC) FILETIME=[6DDCB170:01C685E6] X-Originating-IP: 207.169.189.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: Good AM Bandwidth cheap pocket/armband digital tuned radio - Jensen SAB-55 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102; y=KVPZg7Ilq8CcI5Qkb0ecOVXcGVuNNQPbm-k1Q_RikH8oPjC4iw X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 I've found the AM and FM quality in this Jensen SAB-55 Armband great value for the money ($15) Great audio bandwidth but still fairly selective (enough so I can hear a whistle on some stations with strong adjacent - good bass boost switch and generous power output and low distortion amp, unlike most of the cheapies) http://www.spectraintl.com/xjen/sab-55.html http://www4.shopping.com/xPO-Jensen_JENSEN_SAB_55_AM_FM_STEREO_ARM Puts a lot of my more expensive portable radios to shame. They are on sale in Australia as well under the "MTV" Brand name in our Coles supermarket chain. Can you believe that! Ian you might want to see if you can find one at your local Coles still. After years of sampling cheap digital tuned radios, I think I have finally found a "keeper" :) I wonder if an AM Stereo mod is possible... So I guess it is possible to build a good AM section in a radio, I'm tempted to pull apart my unit and see how they are doing it for such a low cost. -----Original Message----- From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Ray Sent: Friday, 2 June 2006 11:35 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Radiosophy shipping in July --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" wrote: > > My 2 cents about Kenwood. Very poor tuner designs in their car=20 > stereos and not the Kenwood of old. I've had a low end model and a=20 > high end model within the last 2 years.. tuner performs exactly the=20 > same (regardless of what they tell you in the specs). More glitz than=20 > anything else, which is why I am looking towards JVC for in-car HD. I had a Panasonic RX in the car. FM section was almost deaf. I literally thought that there were no FM stations to be had 40 miles from the city (and 20 miles from Newburgh, NY....I live outside of Newburgh). I put the Kenwood back in the car...what do you know, there are FM stations you can hear in this neck of the woods! I have a JVC in my wife's car. Analog AM section, while sensitive, has maybe 2-2.5K audio bandwidth and sounds like a mud puddle. The Kenwood's AM section is just as sensitive, yet has bandwidth out to 5-6K. Unfortunately, nothing these days is built like they used to. :-( Tom Ray WOR ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups Links =20 From groucho@skyweb.net Fri Jun 02 05:05:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45929 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2006 12:04:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2006 12:04:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2006 12:04:57 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.46] (pool-72-90-146-181.nwrknj.east.verizon.net [72.90.146.181]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k52C4EYx083563 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 08:04:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <4480295D.8070004@skyweb.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 08:04:45 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-Originating-IP: 66.6.128.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radiosophy shipping in July X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145; y=9T82wOjjO-vCf4u2epu6CQ1lyNlyL4_9tmfO5tjNCln6pw X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JVC makes a really Good HD Car receiver. Neal-CE WTTM/WHWH Tom Ray wrote: >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" wrote: > > >>My 2 cents about Kenwood. Very poor tuner designs in their car >>stereos and not the Kenwood of old. I've had a low end model and a >>high end model within the last 2 years.. tuner performs exactly the >>same (regardless of what they tell you in the specs). More glitz >>than anything else, which is why I am looking towards JVC for in-car >>HD. >> >> > >I had a Panasonic RX in the car. FM section was almost deaf. I >literally thought that there were no FM stations to be had 40 miles >from the city (and 20 miles from Newburgh, NY....I live outside of >Newburgh). I put the Kenwood back in the car...what do you know, >there are FM stations you can hear in this neck of the woods! > >I have a JVC in my wife's car. Analog AM section, while sensitive, >has maybe 2-2.5K audio bandwidth and sounds like a mud puddle. The >Kenwood's AM section is just as sensitive, yet has bandwidth out to 5-6K. > >Unfortunately, nothing these days is built like they used to. :-( > >Tom Ray >WOR > > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Fri Jun 02 05:30:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3687 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2006 12:30:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2006 12:30:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2006 12:30:32 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.46] (pool-72-90-146-181.nwrknj.east.verizon.net [72.90.146.181]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k52CTsYx083641 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 08:29:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <44802F5E.50801@skyweb.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 08:30:22 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-Originating-IP: 66.6.128.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radiosophy shipping in July X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145; y=rhrWsIclHax-Skveh0_9t6Kn5OC6xDBot8qX_fiSz4U2bw X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What I noticed is that all the Kenwood radios are HD Ready.. I Have yet to find one with the HD tuner included. I have been testing My HD signal using the JVC KD-HDR1 Car radio. The HD tuner is built in. This radio sells for $247 great sounding radio. Its installed in a friends car. Now that I just bought a Car. I will get this same radio. Unless the company gets me a radio. Neal WTTM/WHWH Tom Ray wrote: >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" wrote: > > >>My 2 cents about Kenwood. Very poor tuner designs in their car >>stereos and not the Kenwood of old. I've had a low end model and a >>high end model within the last 2 years.. tuner performs exactly the >>same (regardless of what they tell you in the specs). More glitz >>than anything else, which is why I am looking towards JVC for in-car >>HD. >> >> > >I had a Panasonic RX in the car. FM section was almost deaf. I >literally thought that there were no FM stations to be had 40 miles >from the city (and 20 miles from Newburgh, NY....I live outside of >Newburgh). I put the Kenwood back in the car...what do you know, >there are FM stations you can hear in this neck of the woods! > >I have a JVC in my wife's car. Analog AM section, while sensitive, >has maybe 2-2.5K audio bandwidth and sounds like a mud puddle. The >Kenwood's AM section is just as sensitive, yet has bandwidth out to 5-6K. > >Unfortunately, nothing these days is built like they used to. :-( > >Tom Ray >WOR > > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jun 02 11:43:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15415 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2006 18:21:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2006 18:21:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.163) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2006 18:21:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 10548 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2006 18:21:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20060602182136.10546.qmail@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:21:36 PDT Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:21:36 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1149261043.1251.29280.m17@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: "HD" Radios in Detroit, yea, right. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=XvXJuuOwxU9UV6HgHt2Q2x39rM8dCsHIPWrzGrFZI69udx1nIao7FUA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Despite all the PR in Radio World claiming that ABC Warehouse is going to have a ton of "HD Radios" at their Metro Detroit area stores, the ABC Warehouse store I checked did not have any, and wasn't expecting any yet. BUT, and a big but, 2 employees did actually know what I was talking about, and that the Detroit stores were supposed to have them available. There were stunned however when I told them that there are several stations on the air already (just like AM Stereo days). And, they told me that "HD" meant "high definition - just like TVs" and did not accept my explanation that iBiquity said that "HD" does NOT mean high definition, only that a digital signal was available - so much for that minsnomer. In short, several HD signals on the air in Detroit and in Toledo, but no HD radios in the store chain that said that they were going to carry them. Formerly nice-sounding WJR isn't trashing the AM band with digital hash like WWJ and WFDF are...at least not yet, but - they did trash their audio, shutdown the stereo, and noticeably reduce the audio bandwidth. Their engineer was surprised that a few people have noticed that they sounded like crap, and he was going to see if they could "up" the crappy-sounding drastic audio bandwidth reduction to make it sound 'brighter' again. He would not sell the C-Quam exciter either. Oh well, the Great Voice of the Great Lakes has larnyxgitis. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kya1260@lycos.com Fri Jun 02 12:08:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10392 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2006 19:05:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2006 19:05:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2006 19:05:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.8.90]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 4C10D1800137 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:04:36 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (192.168.8.33) by 192.168.8.90; 2 Jun 2006 19:04:37 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C29A4CA0BD; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:04:33 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:04:33 -0800 Received: from [69.110.145.185] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:04:33 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060602190433.C29A4CA0BD@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: {AMSF} "HD" Radios in South Bay Area (San Jose) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=rE6ExvQf-zhYDe-AXUx9TWLWsct1142ziJw9cDWSVG0g2VDhpw X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ As John mentioned the trials and tribulations of finding an H D radio in Detroit, I have that problem in the North (San Francisco) Bay Area, and an acquaintance in the other end of the Bay Area has, also, as printed recently in Radio World, ICYMI (in case you missed it): http://www.rwonline.com/reference-room/iboc/2006.05.10-01_rw_hd_receiver_bu= y_3.shtml --jay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John P." > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} "HD" Radios in Detroit, yea, right. > Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:21:36 -0700 (PDT) >=20 >=20 > Despite all the PR in Radio World claiming that ABC Warehouse is going to= have > a ton of "HD Radios" at their Metro Detroit area stores, the ABC Warehous= e > store I checked did not have any, and wasn't expecting any yet.=20=20 > BUT, and a big > but, 2 employees did actually know what I was talking about, and that the > Detroit stores were supposed to have them available. There were stunned > however when I told them that there are several stations on the air alrea= dy > (just like AM Stereo days). And, they told me that "HD" meant=20 > "high definition > - just like TVs" and did not accept my explanation that iBiquity=20 > said that "HD" > does NOT mean high definition, only that a digital signal was available -= so > much for that minsnomer. > In short, several HD signals on the air in Detroit and in Toledo, but no = HD > radios in the store chain that said that they were going to carry them. >=20 > Formerly nice-sounding WJR isn't trashing the AM band with digital hash l= ike > WWJ and WFDF are...at least not yet, but - they did trash their=20 > audio, shutdown > the stereo, and noticeably reduce the audio bandwidth. Their engineer wa= s > surprised that a few people have noticed that they sounded like crap, and= he > was going to see if they could "up" the crappy-sounding drastic=20 > audio bandwidth > reduction to make it sound 'brighter' again. He would not sell the C-Qua= m > exciter either. Oh well, the Great Voice of the Great Lakes has larnyxgi= tis. >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > Catch Lewis Black, 'America's Foremost Commentator On Everything,' in RED, = WHITE AND SCREWED. Saturday, June 10, 10 p.m. Eastern/Pacific on Home Box O= ffice (H B O) --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From kjones_731@yahoo.com Fri Jun 02 12:50:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kjones_731@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25585 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2006 19:41:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2006 19:41:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web81915.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.63) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2006 19:41:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 79309 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2006 19:41:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20060602194113.79307.qmail@web81915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.237.64.163] by web81915.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 12:41:13 PDT Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:41:13 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060602190433.C29A4CA0BD@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kirk Jones Subject: Re: {AMSF} "HD" Radios in South Bay Area (San Jose) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=58737040; y=LUOIhEHqd0aDTqjyu5UFHKtVVPdZxdRWeLRQzsEumhZe4JIrYA X-Yahoo-Profile: kjones_731 Great article! I keep looking at the Radio Shack website to see if any are in stock in Columbus. None yet. Has anybody addressed the issue of the subscription part of HD radio? The analog stations brag about "Free" radio, not like satllite which requires a monthly fee, but are they not talking of a pay part for HD radio? Seems like a tough sell, one station for $4.95 or 125 for $13.95? Gee the programing me be exceptional. LOL > As John mentioned the trials and tribulations of > finding an H D radio in Detroit, -jay > > > > From tomray@wor710.com Fri Jun 02 18:39:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36751 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2006 01:39:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2006 01:39:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2006 01:39:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2006 01:39:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2006 01:39:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 01:39:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4480295D.8070004@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Radiosophy shipping in July X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=jV-6iD8OQhAJOqRzxO0-1F3sP2O39zKX6gbf1M-ZgPGOhndl X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > > JVC makes a really Good HD Car receiver. > Neal-CE > WTTM/WHWH >=20 Nothing wrong with the HD section on the radio in my wife's car. The analog section on AM leaves much to be desired. Sounds like someone threw a coat over the speakers. Tom Ray WOR From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jun 03 00:45:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12761 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2006 07:45:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2006 07:45:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.191) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2006 07:45:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n24.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2006 07:45:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2006 07:45:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2006 07:45:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 07:44:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c682e9$11a3b4d0$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.252.37 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: BRING BACK THE OPTIMOD 8000! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=O_vZvtbGP0XDbwTAzKpVenrYc0KoVn9lVAEm2ox3YFZYd6qeBg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The SOUND is so dynamic and warm with no grunge and no distortion. > I realize that all of these stations I'm digging on were using the > Optimod 8000. If you want a modern DSP-based implementation of the Optimod 8000's=20 processing scheme, try "Sonos" by John Burnill. It's a wideband=20 subset of the same DSP audio processing core used by MBL4 and the=20 $6000 Inovonics Omega FM processor. You can download it for free=20 from his site (go to the last link on the page, where it says "The=20 latest version of Sonos is available for download here."): http://www.burnill.co.uk/ The "Limit" plugin in Sonos give you everything you need for AM or FM audio processing, except the MPX stereo generator for FM Stereo. It has an AGC, compressor, limiter, and pre-emphasis limiter, high- and low-pass filters for narrowband AM, wideband AM, and FM (4.5 kHz,=20 9 kHz, and 15 kHz, respectively). Just like the Optimod 8000, it=20 does have a clipper, but its only purpose is to control modulation=20 overshoots, not to increase loudness. (The clipper is activated by=20 setting the audio output level to its maximum setting, 0 dB.) Once you install Sonos, you can also install the Adapt-X plugin to=20 use it as a DSP plugin within WinAmp: http://www.soundprocessing.nl/adaptx/us-adaptx20.exe Of course, like any audio processing, your settings can drastically=20 change how it performs. Since they share the same DSP core, I read=20 through the manual for the Inovonics Omega FM and found that many of=20 the tips and tricks suggested for it apply to the Sonos audio=20 processor as well -- right down to the same exact time constant=20 settings! Here is my fine-tuned setting, which you can unzip into=20 your Sonos folder and load as "Optimax.fmt": http://www.geocities.com/kevtronics/optimax.zip I use this setting on the air on my low-power FM transmitter, and=20 while the loudness is competitive with other moderately-processed=20 stations, the Sonos processing delivers a clearer high end and a more=20 natural sound -- even better than the one small high-school station=20 in my area which is still using an Optimod 8000 on the air. Without=20 a doubt, it is the best-sounding wideband audio processor I have ever=20 heard. With my fine-tuned settings, even songs which usually drive=20 traditional wideband processors crazy -- especially from the Disco=20 genre -- are handled smoothly, with only the slightest hint of=20 "pumping" or "ducking". From yahoo@opengeek.org Sat Jun 03 16:00:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: yahoo@opengeek.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58301 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2006 23:00:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2006 23:00:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.85) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2006 23:00:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2006 23:00:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2006 23:00:11 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 23:00:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.173.201.33 From: "doug.dingus" Subject: Re: Radiosophy shipping in July X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=241237494; y=xrX3DP1hJeSLRGPQyJNjmcRcqE65Vi27ARqVlC6Qk02k7Nofag0 X-Yahoo-Profile: doug.dingus --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > I cannot remember the reason, but there is an entirely valid reason > > that an HD capable radio cannot and will not be able to decode > > AM stereo.... >=20 > That may be true within the existing iBiquity receiver architecture,=20 > but when you have a "clean-sheet" DSP receiver design to work with,=20 > ANYTHING is possible.=20=20 Greets all! Been a long time lurker, and decided to finally jump in.=20=20 Hear, hear! Software only radios are becoming increasingly viable options these days. They offer strong potential for improvement on all signals, not just digital ones.=20=20 This is exactly why the Ibiquity IBOC codec should be an open one. I know that's not realistic given their (broken) business model, so why can't we have the next best thing; namely, RAND licensing of the codec so that non-profit hobby research along these lines and competition can occur? Truth is we really cannot know what problems are in the demodulation chain because key parts of the system are closed, preventing these kinds of discussion from running their usual course.=20=20 From baansy@yahoo.com Sat Jun 03 23:42:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95448 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2006 06:42:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2006 06:42:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.182) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2006 06:42:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2006 06:42:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2006 06:42:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2006 06:42:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 06:42:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 202.173.128.90 From: "baansy" Subject: Re: Good AM Bandwidth cheap pocket/armband digital tuned radio - Jensen SAB-55 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728; y=R02obrYg9Di95xNOHwjpR1FcmucsBL-n1Q2a1HB72c0W X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L"=20 wrote: > > I've found the AM and FM quality in this Jensen SAB-55 Armband=20 great > value for the money ($15) >=20 > Great audio bandwidth but still fairly selective (enough so I can=20 hear a > whistle on some stations with strong adjacent - good bass boost=20 switch > and generous power output and low distortion amp, unlike most of=20 the > cheapies) >=20 > http://www.spectraintl.com/xjen/sab-55.html >=20 > http://www4.shopping.com/xPO-Jensen_JENSEN_SAB_55_AM_FM_STEREO_ARM >=20 > Puts a lot of my more expensive portable radios to shame. >=20 > They are on sale in Australia as well under the "MTV" Brand name=20 in our > Coles supermarket chain. Can you believe that! Ian you might=20 want to > see if you can find one at your local Coles still. >=20 > After years of sampling cheap digital tuned radios, I think I have > finally found a "keeper" :) >=20 > I wonder if an AM Stereo mod is possible... >=20 > So I guess it is possible to build a good AM section in a radio,=20 I'm > tempted to pull apart my unit and see how they are doing it for=20 such a > low cost. >=20 > I bought one of these yesterday. It is amazing how they can make=20 something like this so cheaply now days. I took the back off and had=20 a look inside. The main intergrated circuit is labeled LA 1823. I=20 looked it up on a search engine and it is made by SANYO.=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Ray > Sent: Friday, 2 June 2006 11:35 AM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Radiosophy shipping in July >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" > wrote: > > > > My 2 cents about Kenwood. Very poor tuner designs in their car=20 > > stereos and not the Kenwood of old. I've had a low end model=20 and a=20 > > high end model within the last 2 years.. tuner performs exactly=20 the=20 > > same (regardless of what they tell you in the specs). More glitz=20 than=20 > > anything else, which is why I am looking towards JVC for in-car=20 HD. >=20 > I had a Panasonic RX in the car. FM section was almost deaf. I > literally thought that there were no FM stations to be had 40=20 miles from > the city (and 20 miles from Newburgh, NY....I live outside of=20 Newburgh). > I put the Kenwood back in the car...what do you know, there are FM > stations you can hear in this neck of the woods! >=20 > I have a JVC in my wife's car. Analog AM section, while=20 sensitive, has > maybe 2-2.5K audio bandwidth and sounds like a mud puddle. The > Kenwood's AM section is just as sensitive, yet has bandwidth out to > 5-6K. >=20 > Unfortunately, nothing these days is built like they used to. :-( >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups Links > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Jun 04 14:13:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+rg3J+73+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34491 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2006 21:11:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2006 21:11:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2006 21:11:51 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.1]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 81860604 for ; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 16:08:20 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c6881b$6cdaa200$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 16:11:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 9, in=6, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.1 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Good AM Bandwidth cheap pocket/armband digital tuned radio - Jensen SAB-55 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=YZFarzUpk-sC-nZbVT4viWDbR_-sOZhwLF4iv3vLGoqeGpszm-YC X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Too bad that chip isn't an AM stereo conversion candidate since the AM detector is inside the chip. Only those which require external signal detection can be made stereo. Not that you couldn't tap the IF right at the output of the ceramic filter, but then you'd need to add at least some external IF amplification in addition to the stereo decoder. More than likely you'd run out of room. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "baansy" --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > > I've found the AM and FM quality in this Jensen SAB-55 Armband great > value for the money ($15) > > Great audio bandwidth but still fairly selective > > http://www.spectraintl.com/xjen/sab-55.html > > http://www4.shopping.com/xPO-Jensen_JENSEN_SAB_55_AM_FM_STEREO_ARM > > I wonder if an AM Stereo mod is possible... > > So I guess it is possible to build a good AM section in a radio, I'm > tempted to pull apart my unit and see how they are doing it for such a > low cost. > I bought one of these yesterday. It is amazing how they can make something like this so cheaply now days. I took the back off and had a look inside. The main intergrated circuit is labeled LA 1823. I looked it up on a search engine and it is made by SANYO. From badeditpro@charter.net Sun Jun 04 18:33:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33445 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2006 01:33:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2006 01:33:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf01.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.201) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2006 01:33:45 -0000 Received: from mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.137]) by mxsf01.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k551XRk0027972 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 21:33:28 -0400 Received: from 24-241-13-230.dhcp.rnrp.nc.charter.com (HELO yourfd6nvjcer4) ([24.241.13.230]) by mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 04 Jun 2006 21:33:27 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,207,1146456000"; d="scan'208"; a="220532466:sNHT21513314" Message-ID: <002901c68840$09e22d60$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: References: <1149393422.215.79205.m17@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 21:33:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.28.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: Re: Sonos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=a_BN8clE7CD-hSqTkcXFGSsTUv_SrEYGgjkjKkripipnaHLg_-w5wkmA56qv X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Kevin, Thanks for the tip. I gave it a try but could not get it to work with my setup. I have been using the Thomass Limiter with Quintessential Player for a long time now. With careful tuning, it can sound very good. I use it to listen to music and I also run CD Image wave files through it before I burn them.... It's simple, a WInAmp 2 plug-in, and it is local. I don't think I like streaming stuff for processing someplace else.... Strange! :) JC From mrcomment@yahoo.com Sun Jun 04 18:39:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mrcomment@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25023 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2006 01:39:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2006 01:39:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.177) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2006 01:39:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n10.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2006 01:39:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2006 01:39:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2006 01:39:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 01:39:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060602182136.10546.qmail@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.141.13.206 From: "mrcomment" Subject: Re: "HD" Radios in Detroit, yea, right. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193606338; y=K0ZqHKLhTtXU7wg0p3TjiDHr6-u-uSE5H6NI9VfGoT3wW--i X-Yahoo-Profile: mrcomment --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > Despite all the PR in Radio World claiming that ABC Warehouse is=20 going to have > a ton of "HD Radios" at their Metro Detroit area stores, the ABC=20 Warehouse > store I checked did not have any, and wasn't expecting any yet.=20=20 BUT, and a big > but, 2 employees did actually know what I was talking about, and=20 that the > Detroit stores were supposed to have them available. There were=20 stunned > however when I told them that there are several stations on the=20 air already > (just like AM Stereo days). And, they told me that "HD"=20 meant "high definition > - just like TVs" and did not accept my explanation that iBiquity=20 said that "HD" > does NOT mean high definition, only that a digital signal was=20 available - so > much for that minsnomer.=20=20 > In short, several HD signals on the air in Detroit and in Toledo,=20 but no HD > radios in the store chain that said that they were going to carry=20 them.=20=20 >=20 They keep disavowing the high definition moniker because they cannot=20 claim the trademark otherwise. The term "high definition radio"=20 cannot be trademarked. If HD Radio becomes equivalent to high=20 definition radio in common use, they will lose the entire trademark=20 and the brand will be worthless and unenforceable. It is funny (and=20 odd) that the ad campaign says "are you def yet" which is muddying=20 the waters even more. From mrcomment@yahoo.com Sun Jun 04 19:07:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mrcomment@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36117 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2006 02:07:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2006 02:07:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2006 02:07:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2006 02:07:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2006 02:07:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 02:07:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.141.13.206 From: "mrcomment" Subject: Re: Radiosophy shipping in July X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193606338; y=a1iBWAWWZtdavyQVCXuC5_5SPzyDdy9b-JgPcUyyM5_x2Jlc X-Yahoo-Profile: mrcomment --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > And perhaps you should not border on personal attacks. I will not=20 > stoop to your level. >=20 > I have met with several Kenwood design engineers numerous times.=20=20 > They design the radio. If you are so knowlegeable regarding what=20 > goes on in these radios, perhaps you could block diagram it for=20 > persons in this forum and explain everything that is going on in=20 > these radios. I highly doubt you could do it. There is more=20 going=20 > on than you would think. >=20 > And, by the way, do you know what my degree is in? You don't know=20 > that, either. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR >=20 >=20 >=20 I don't you why you consider it a personal attack. I've read your=20 bio. You do not have a BSEE/MSEE/PhD/PE from MIT in EE. I do. End=20 of story. As far as I can tell, you do not have any formal training=20 in digital signal processing, software, communications theory, or=20 anything else which is relevant to this discussion. If you do,=20 please offer your credentials. I am sure you are the cat's meow=20 when it comes to AM antenna tuning, but we're not talking about that. The fact that you think a block diagram is involved just shows me=20 your ignorance. Once the data is available as I&Q samples in the TI=20 DSP, you can do anything with them as long as you can write the code=20 and the DSP is fast enough. The TI DSP is a computer-on-a-chip.=20=20 There is no block diagram just like there is no block diagram for=20 running software on a PC. If you doubt that there is a TI DSP in=20 your radio, why don't you take it apart and let us all know. I=20 already have. =20 Kenwood does not design the radio. They take chips and software=20 from Philips and TI and complete reference designs from Philips and=20 iBiquity. There are relatively few knobs to twiddle other than=20 amps, speakers and RF preamp. Most of the variation among designs=20 from different vendors is due more to careless layout and=20 calibration than any real difference in chip performance. The=20 Boston Acoustics HD Radio is a crappy radio because they didn't=20 shield the DSP properly from the RF section, not because of a=20 software bug or a chip problem. There are very few companies that=20 make the actual silicon anymore (Motorola, who was a biggie, is now=20 out of the picture). I'm just saying don't believe everything you are told especially=20 from someone who wants IBOC to succeed at all costs. DSP-based=20 radios that can do HD Radio could do CQUAM with the proper=20 software. This is definitely 100% true for ALL TI-based HD Radios=20 which includes the Kenwood.=20=20 =20 From labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 04 19:29:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49149 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2006 02:29:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2006 02:29:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2006 02:29:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2006 02:29:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2006 02:29:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 02:29:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.74.164.136 From: "Scott Higbee" Subject: GM stereo (Delco Loc) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=257511206; y=UvpkcxXaJmep-Le3Qq3Iv_MzIjmBP6l3diS6LWCbjvimd3KqCyz8QiUbK68Y2HqkDgj4jg X-Yahoo-Profile: labonte43nc I got a Delco Car Stereo yesterday. The Unit looks like the UT-4,YE- 2 that is listed on Kevins web page. However this on has Delco Loc=20 printed on the face under the LED display. From what I know this unit=20 came from a 91 Pontiac Grand Prix but I figure it was a unit that=20 belonged in a GP that had steering wheel controls. I tried to hook it up in my 91 Grand Prix but the only thing that=20 would happen is that the word LOC would come up on the display and I=20 could get the dash lights to come on. Is there a work around that one can do to make it work like a normal=20 GM Stereo? I also got 2 Ford stereos with cassette, but I haven't played with=20 those yet to see if they work or have AM Stereo. Scott Higbee Marne, Mi From matthew.trim@eds.com Sun Jun 04 22:36:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13950 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2006 05:36:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2006 05:36:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler2.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.142) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2006 05:36:25 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler2.mail.eds.com (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k555a1xr027445 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 15:36:01 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k555ZfHl029061 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 15:35:41 +1000 Received: from aubwm051.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.159.13]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k555ZfxZ029056 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 15:35:41 +1000 Received: from aubwm010.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.166.96]) by aubwm051.apac.corp.eds.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 15:36:11 +1000 Received: from aubwm208.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.176.248]) by aubwm010.apac.corp.eds.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 15:36:11 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 15:36:13 +1000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Re: Radiosophy shipping in July Thread-Index: AcaIRSixE5JyKjl+QV2U4+HczvDaTwAHML+g To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2006 05:36:11.0120 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3DD2700:01C68861] X-Originating-IP: 207.169.189.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Radiosophy shipping in July X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102; y=XoES9OUqND4b3QnwHY5LMZEBAfqCGJdVTdgOc2ENvC1C9EIAng X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 =20 -----Original Message----- From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] = On Behalf Of mrcomment Sent: Monday, 5 June 2006 12:08 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Radiosophy shipping in July --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > And perhaps you should not border on personal attacks. I will not=20 > stoop to your level. >=20 > I have met with several Kenwood design engineers numerous times.=20=20 > They design the radio. If you are so knowlegeable regarding what goes=20 > on in these radios, perhaps you could block diagram it for persons in=20 > this forum and explain everything that is going on in these radios. I=20 > highly doubt you could do it. There is more going=20 > on than you would think. >=20 > And, by the way, do you know what my degree is in? You don't know=20 > that, either. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR >=20 >=20 >=20 I don't you why you consider it a personal attack. I've read your bio. Yo= u do not have a BSEE/MSEE/PhD/PE from MIT in EE. I do. End of story. As f= ar as I can tell, you do not have any formal training in digital signal pro= cessing, software, communications theory, or anything else which is relevan= t to this discussion. If you do, please offer your credentials. I am sure= you are the cat's meow when it comes to AM antenna tuning, but we're not t= alking about that. The fact that you think a block diagram is involved just shows me your igno= rance. Once the data is available as I&Q samples in the TI DSP, you can do= anything with them as long as you can write the code and the DSP is fast e= nough. The TI DSP is a computer-on-a-chip.=20=20 There is no block diagram just like there is no block diagram for running s= oftware on a PC. If you doubt that there is a TI DSP in your radio, why do= n't you take it apart and let us all know. I already have. =20 Kenwood does not design the radio. They take chips and software from Phili= ps and TI and complete reference designs from Philips and iBiquity. There = are relatively few knobs to twiddle other than amps, speakers and RF preamp= . Most of the variation among designs from different vendors is due more t= o careless layout and calibration than any real difference in chip performa= nce. The Boston Acoustics HD Radio is a crappy radio because they didn't s= hield the DSP properly from the RF section, not because of a software bug o= r a chip problem. There are very few companies that make the actual silico= n anymore (Motorola, who was a biggie, is now out of the picture). I'm just saying don't believe everything you are told especially from someo= ne who wants IBOC to succeed at all costs. DSP-based radios that can do HD= Radio could do CQUAM with the proper software. This is definitely 100% tr= ue for ALL TI-based HD Radios which includes the Kenwood.=20=20 =20 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Eve= rything you need is one=A0click away.=A0 Make Yahoo! your home page=A0now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/CPMolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~->=20 Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links =20 From matthew.trim@eds.com Sun Jun 04 22:43:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53651 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2006 05:43:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2006 05:43:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler3.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.143) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2006 05:43:14 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler3.mail.eds.com (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k555f23k021227 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 15:41:02 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k555e6Bh032102 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 15:40:06 +1000 Received: from aubwm050.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.159.12]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k555e60v032072 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 15:40:06 +1000 Received: from aubwm010.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.166.96]) by aubwm050.apac.corp.eds.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 15:40:36 +1000 Received: from aubwm208.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.176.248]) by aubwm010.apac.corp.eds.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 15:40:36 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 15:40:36 +1000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Re: Radiosophy shipping in July Thread-Index: AcaIRSixE5JyKjl+QV2U4+HczvDaTwAHML+gAAAHE4A= To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2006 05:40:36.0313 (UTC) FILETIME=[91EE6490:01C68862] X-Originating-IP: 207.169.189.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Radiosophy shipping in July X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102; y=hKWOHPcJaIoMvuABeq2RJGupK6Ebk9E_cvy7GrFFHXY5mUNs0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Good call Mr Comment - in fact they could also implement DRM, DAB and DMB on the DSP in software I've got no doubt. Considering HD Radio is apparently the most CPU intensive digital radio scheme the others should be a piece of cake with that sort of horsepower available.. :) -----Original Message----- From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mrcomment Sent: Monday, 5 June 2006 12:08 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Radiosophy shipping in July I'm just saying don't believe everything you are told especially from someone who wants IBOC to succeed at all costs. DSP-based radios that can do HD Radio could do CQUAM with the proper software. This is definitely 100% true for ALL TI-based HD Radios which includes the Kenwood.=20=20 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jun 05 10:20:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79232 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2006 17:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2006 17:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.152) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2006 17:20:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 75706 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jun 2006 17:19:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20060605171912.75704.qmail@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 10:19:12 PDT Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:19:12 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1149469948.912.20434.m17@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: "HD" radios in Detroit area? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=llzMige7ESl_kpuwC3DA4QqgPAB7k_BFZjU4ZSCc2jUW3U3ieAxO-dk X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Jeff Deck - any better luck with the ABC Warehouse stores in your direction for the elusive 'HD' radios - they even had the JVC listed in Sunday's ad, yet, none in the stores! I'm curious on the ability to mod the units for CQuam? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Tue Jun 06 03:13:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30841 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 10:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2006 10:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.88) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 10:13:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2006 10:12:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2006 10:12:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:12:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060605171912.75704.qmail@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.244.180.36 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: "HD" radios in Detroit area? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=OWE6p40i-CVmwCD4wD5E7WC5U9tOfIVcN0OPDTJMrFGG-XW_oFnt X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 John, A simple telephone call to their HD Store in Farmington confirmed that those HD Radios should be available in July. HD Radio is=20 currently unavailable online from ABC Warehouse. Models are not even listed, just white space. Sunday newspaper print advertising circulars are printed months in advance. =20=20 I do not positively know how easily they can be converted to C-QuAM in the DSP mode. Does anyone have the Motorola code? Thanks. 73, Jeff=20=20=20 You write: >Jeff Deck - any better luck with the ABC Warehouse stores in your=20 >direction for the elusive 'HD' radios - they even had the JVC=20 >listed in Sunday's ad, yet, none in the stores! I'm curious on=20 >the ability to mod the units for CQuam? From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Jun 06 11:20:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94849 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 18:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2006 18:19:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52001.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.84) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 18:19:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 56399 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jun 2006 18:19:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20060606181938.56397.qmail@web52001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.183.166.167] by web52001.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:19:38 PDT Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:19:38 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000601c682e9$11a3b4d0$e60df118@yourfd6nvjcer4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.84 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} BRING BACK THE OPTIMOD 8000! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=0FJoNImANHl9WBQHYP9xtVym4Pf2uEurkQN_OHR0LheAaE-NrzP6 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I have a thought: I actually received an Optimod 8000 FOR FREE yesterday (6/5) along with a transmitter tuned to 91.5. I forgot the manufacturer's name of the XMTR. (some no-name thing) but the model # is D-322. It's tuned to 91.5. Anyway, I tested the Optimod's left channel to see if I could get any audio. I did, but had to change the XLR output to the mic level because the line level didn't do anything. Do I need an amp inbetween the board & the processor? Jay A1A Surf Radio is FIVE YEARS OLD 05/07/06! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Tue Jun 06 12:25:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73513 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 19:25:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2006 19:25:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.210) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 19:25:47 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2006 19:21:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2006 19:21:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2006 19:21:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:21:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.184.96.32 From: "Mike" Subject: Re: Radiosophy shipping in July X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087; y=mQQqI73vwBlXv1ZONf2JVAYY9ZbXLmP4D5YctVzW0DOoYKLZ X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > I have a JVC in my wife's car. Analog AM section, while sensitive, > has maybe 2-2.5K audio bandwidth and sounds like a mud puddle. The > Kenwood's AM section is just as sensitive, yet has bandwidth out to=20 5-6K. The el-cheapo JVC we have in the company van=20 http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp? skuId=3D7658162&type=3Dproduct&cmp=3D++&id=3D1134701325020 Was selected because it had better-than-average bandwidth on AM. To=20 me, it sounds much brighter than the factory stereo... if I were to=20 guess it is out to 4-5k.=20=20 From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Tue Jun 06 12:28:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13351 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 19:28:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2006 19:28:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 19:28:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2006 19:23:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2006 19:23:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:23:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.184.96.32 From: "Mike" Subject: Re: Radiosophy shipping in July X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087; y=3jtguSM-XXwE0OnEFbYF6sOb2Rvg3-juER7ZNt_IZqN9Qb8R X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: >=20 > Nothing wrong with the HD section on the radio in my wife's car. The > analog section on AM leaves much to be desired. Sounds like someone > threw a coat over the speakers. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > I gather the AM has changes in this HD design. Too bad. The older=20 design really had a pleasing AM section.=20=20 From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue Jun 06 15:42:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+7tpW+75+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48681 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 22:42:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2006 22:42:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 22:42:28 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.23]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 82629381 for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 17:42:23 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004a01c689ba$e89a8180$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:45:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 4, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.23 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "HD" radios in Detroit area? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=qgGhWHTGdbki4NjDaKmOSFf87hr6wLZnxZwF8CjQBzRIwph8ahe3 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Still hoping to hear back from Greg Buchwald on this one. Then it'll be a question of how to add it to the existing firmware on the chip. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeffdeck2001" > I do not positively know how easily they can be converted to > C-QuAM in the DSP mode. Does anyone have the Motorola code? > Thanks. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue Jun 06 15:47:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+7tpW+75+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26677 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 22:47:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2006 22:47:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 22:47:57 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.23]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 84771353 for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 17:47:55 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <006301c689bb$aeab7640$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060606181938.56397.qmail@web52001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:50:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.208.23 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} BRING BACK THE OPTIMOD 8000! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=Uj0o-B24NPpnk1DezoJg65Myn4jMvgJ9LdTUVPn-4OCm-dhLePAj X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Maybe. What type of source were you attempting to drive it with? Could also be a blown input chip, which might be why they gave it to you for nothing. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" > I actually received an Optimod 8000 FOR FREE > yesterday (6/5) along with a transmitter tuned to > 91.5. I forgot the manufacturer's name of the > XMTR. (some no-name thing) but the model # is > D-322. It's tuned to 91.5. > > Anyway, I tested the Optimod's left channel to > see if I could get any audio. I did, but had to > change the XLR output to the mic level because > the line level didn't do anything. Do I need an > amp inbetween the board & the processor? From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Wed Jun 07 02:43:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90591 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2006 09:42:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2006 09:42:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2006 09:42:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2006 09:42:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2006 09:42:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 09:42:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004a01c689ba$e89a8180$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.244.180.36 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: "HD" radios in Detroit area? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=Yf_fPbXwHFeSejKqI6y8o2sQHnfaXd_jkkbMEVoEUnnAbwoErbbM X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Scott, Please let us know when you receive the DSP code from Greg. ABC Warehouse in Detroit added the Boston Acoustics Recepter=20 HD Radio yesterday to their online store: =20=20=20 http://www.abcwarehouse.com/product_catalog/pc_proddetails.asp~assort _id~1318~prod_ID~42560 Each is $275 after $25 mail-in rebate. It may also be available in a few ABC Warehouse stores. As I recall, there are AM sensitivity and other flaws with this unit.=20=20 Detroit, home to the automotive industry, has the largest number of on-air FM HD stations in the country. Greater Media is promoting the concept on their stations (WCSX, WRIF, and WMGC). With satellite radio, iPod, CD, and others competing, radio stations need good HD Radios.=20=20=20=20 73, Jeff Deck http://Meduci.com You write: >Still hoping to hear back from Greg Buchwald on this one. Then=20 >it'll be a question of how to add it to the existing firmware on=20 >the chip. >=20 >Scott Todd From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jun 07 08:21:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12083 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2006 15:21:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2006 15:21:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.152) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2006 15:21:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 9966 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jun 2006 15:21:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20060607152100.9964.qmail@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:21:00 PDT Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:21:00 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" In-Reply-To: <1149644595.1046.89997.m17@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest VERSION = blank?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=N6XGIitWMVAIdpJF4XE_MpB1F_CcdMOJYiIlx7vPHopuMl0yX9N2SyU X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Is anybody else getting a blank digest version? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Jun 07 11:29:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30913 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2006 18:29:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2006 18:29:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52013.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.96) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2006 18:29:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 97477 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jun 2006 18:27:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20060607182749.97475.qmail@web52013.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.183.166.167] by web52013.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 11:27:49 PDT Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:27:49 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006301c689bb$aeab7640$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.96 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} BRING BACK THE OPTIMOD 8000! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=iHozRr2F_-nY5W49V1pq7v8IGHsTq8x6kqMpMCFgfTdwte_L9LfC X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I was using a Behringer mixer. For the source, it was a mono radio tuned to an FM mono station. I was just feeding through on the left channel because I still have to untangle this mess of wires to get another female XLR to connect the right channel to the board. Also, has anyone ever heard of a Versa Count D-322 transmitter? Jay A1A Surf Radio is FIVE YEARS OLD 05/07/06! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From starship_2001@msn.com Wed Jun 07 12:10:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51445 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2006 19:05:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2006 19:05:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.81) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2006 19:05:49 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:05:48 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.4 by BAY106-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 19:05:43 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 19:05:43 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2006 19:05:48.0149 (UTC) FILETIME=[62DB0A50:01C68A65] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.81 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest VERSION = blank?? 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Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kya1260@lycos.com Thu Jun 08 10:41:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79668 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 17:41:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2006 17:41:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 17:41:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.8.90]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id DA8061800DA3 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:37:50 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (192.168.8.33) by 192.168.8.90; 8 Jun 2006 17:36:48 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3AF43CA0C3; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:36:47 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:36:41 -0800 Received: from [68.125.52.230] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:36:41 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060608173647.3AF43CA0C3@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: {AMSF} High-Def Radio - Letter to the Editor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=5LD2IZNMqREQiXrookkFr1D0lOM1Q-9EJc3zN-FYOQcRwz6Ezw X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Add Cleveland to the list of cities (along with Detroit and=20 San Jose) for lack of H D radio availability... I believe in digital audio and other technical advancements - if DONE CORRECTLY - but this letter in today's (6/8/2006)=20 Radio Business Report magazine simply displays another reason=20 why the powers that be are seemingly shoving IBOC down our=20 throats without going through needed tests beforehand... --jay: The Real World of H D W C L V was the second station in northeast Ohio and the third classical music station in country to transmit in H D. This was back in August of 2003, but the only people who have listened to it during the interim are our staff and the chief engineers at other stations. The problem? Obviously, the lack of H D radios. Now that Boston Accoustics has dropped the price on their H D radio, and Radio Shack is beginning to stock H D radios, that may=20 begin to change. The initial appeal to the consumer was to be improved quality of sound. But, frankly, the difference between a high quality analog signal, such as W C L V's classical music programming, and the H D signal is minimal. And with highly processed rock programming, you can't tell any difference. So what will be the appeal of H D? The answer is the additional programming channels on the H D-2 and H D-3 channels. However, there is a serious flaw. We were told back in the beginning that the H D coverage would be equal to the analog signal. Unfortunately, the industry is now finding out this is not the case, that the H D coverage is considerably less, something like 60 percent of the analog coverage. We've also found that even in a strong=20 H D signal area, a dipole antenna is required. We were also told that the H D would lessen interference with adjacent channel signals. That also appears not to be the case. This is really very discouraging and is leading us to wonder why we should bother to promote H D. To do so will only disappoint, and, perhaps, antagonize a significant segment of the audience who finds that the system doesn't deliver. Robert Conrad President W C L V (F M), Cleveland Cleveland Orchestra Broadcast Service **************************************************** Catch Lewis Black, 'America's Foremost Commentator On Everything,' in 'RED, WHITE AND SCREWED,' Saturday June 10, 10 p.m. ET/PT on H B O --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jun 08 16:00:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37988 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 23:00:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2006 23:00:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.174) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 23:00:15 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n7.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2006 23:00:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2006 23:00:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2006 23:00:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 23:00:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.145.98 From: "K8DAD" Subject: BA Recepter=not X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=jeqpQhB95FGKUQLjCrLc9QCwwdIDXLKnmX2j31cMOSp7NSQv3KgfQBs X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I read an article in Monitoring Times last night, and the author had=20 purchased the imfamous Boston Acoustics Recepter radio. He was not=20 happy that he spent $300 for what amounted to an 'analog' radio. He=20 reported that he didn't notice any real increase in 'quality' of=20 audio on the FM stations in his area when it switched to digital=20 when using the table radio. He was much less impressed with the AM=20 as he indicated that he had a horrible time getting a digital lock on a 50KW AM station in the same city of license! He also said that=20 the brief times that he did have a lock on the AM HD that the=20 artifacts were bad on the talk station! So, in the author's=20 opinion, he spent $300 for an analog radio. IMO, They shouldn't even announce HD radio if they don't have a decent=20 radio for the public yet. Heck, even the 1985 Chrysler radios that=20 all had AM stereo, at least sounded half-way decent, and the 2nd=20 generation got it damn near perfect. This AM system for HD appears=20 to be not as good as it needs to be to make people spend the big=20 bucks. I'm an early adopter, and I want to try it out to compare for myself, but it sure doesn't look like the AM HD is as good as it=20 needs to be to make us shell-out $300 for a radio. If you've got HD=20 FM, but no 2nd HD channel, then it looks like there's nothing to=20 offer either.=20=20 I've got a rimshot oldies station with HD now, but I'm afraid that=20 they're not going to have enough of their signal make it up here to=20 activate the digital in the BA Recepter. Is the JVC auto radio any=20 better? I heard that the JVC does NOT have RDS though, which really=20 surprises me. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Jun 08 16:34:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+WzHw+77+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33505 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 23:33:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2006 23:33:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 23:33:35 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.100]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 86234967 for ; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:33:31 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c68b54$64ab4ee0$d503fea9@stodd> To: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 18:36:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.500000 Content: cid=56(1.5) =1.5 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 2, in=4, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.100 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: a stereo station sold X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=KdL7mQDnb-pigxx0rX8AnvmZwlSOdIoecPRrFihg5lCwRHRl_4Us X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This from the Upper Midwest Broadcasting page- MINNESOTA/WISCONSIN: Alan and Linda Quarnstrom are selling 9 of their 14 stations to Red Rock Radio for $7.5 million. Included in the deal are KKIN/930 and KKIN-FM/94.3 (Aitkin, MN), KFGI/101.5 (Crosby, MN), KGHS/1230 and KSDM/104.1 (International Falls, MN), WHSM/910 and WHSM-FM/101.1 (Hayward, WI), WLMX/104.9 (Balsam Lake, WI), and WXCX/105.7 (Siren, WI). Quarnstrom retains stations in Cloquet, Moose Lake, and Pine City. Red Rock owns four radio stations in the Duluth market, as well as stations in Grand Marais, Babbitt, and Deer River, which are used as full-power satellites. Red Rock Radio is owned 85% by Curtis Squire, Inc., and 15% by Ro Grignon, who also own TV stations in the Duluth, Fargo, and Sioux Falls markets. (6/7/2006) The highlighted station has been AM stereo for years but I don't know if this will affect it or not. I'll keep an eye on it for everyone and try and shake loose the equipment if the stereo goes away. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Jun 08 17:32:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+xsM2+78+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2082 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2006 00:32:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2006 00:32:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2006 00:31:58 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.100]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 85750159 for ; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:30:08 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c68b5c$4d3af780$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <000f01c68b54$64ab4ee0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 19:33:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.500000 Content: cid=56(1.5) =1.5 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.100 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} a stereo station sold X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=rd-gBWFO7nwhXFiCHByOOniXRDz4Dh367u4lu7UuU-Ao2h4GvO1g X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Oops- didn't quite work- station in question is KKIN (AM) 930. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" This from the Upper Midwest Broadcasting page- MINNESOTA/WISCONSIN: Alan and Linda Quarnstrom are selling 9 of their 14 stations to Red Rock Radio for $7.5 million. Included in the deal are KKIN/930 and KKIN-FM/94.3 (Aitkin, MN), KFGI/101.5 (Crosby, MN), KGHS/1230 and KSDM/104.1 (International Falls, MN), The highlighted station has been AM stereo for years but I don't know if this will affect it or not. I'll keep an eye on it for everyone and try and shake loose the equipment if the stereo goes away. Scott Todd From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Jun 08 17:37:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+xsM2+78+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71116 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2006 00:37:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2006 00:37:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2006 00:37:23 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.100]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 86249031 for ; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:28:36 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c68b5c$16d137e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 19:31:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 2, in=5, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.100 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} BA Recepter=not X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=1s0rIlzXdIieseSAmiK9Fz-ahXa7kiBOqy7W3JkEwly7hK2JaUoe X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That's going to be a HUGE problem for the majority of talk stations that take programs off the bird. They're already bit-reduced to where artifacts are either noticeable or just below the point of audibility. Any further digital conversions ensure lousy audio, especially at the rates for MW broadcasting. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "K8DAD" > He was much less impressed with the AM > as he indicated that he had a horrible time getting a digital lock > on a 50KW AM station in the same city of license! He also said that > the brief times that he did have a lock on the AM HD that the > artifacts were bad on the talk station! So, in the author's > opinion, he spent $300 for an analog radio. From kya1260@lycos.com Fri Jun 09 09:39:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21028 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2006 16:39:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2006 16:39:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2006 16:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.8.90]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 352DF1800D7B for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:39:01 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (192.168.8.33) by 192.168.8.90; 9 Jun 2006 16:39:10 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 160ADCA0BF; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:39:00 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 08:38:59 -0800 Received: from [69.233.38.109] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 08:38:59 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060609163900.160ADCA0BF@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio - Letter to the Editor #2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=blDBVMNvpJ6sOszkCik33uQBYC28aj54Ao-vcR7h66cCjV4OvQ X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ From the 6/9/06 Radio Business Report e-paper: On HD Radio...... KHKZ FM was the first HD station on the air for Clear Channel=20 in the state of Texas.=20 In October of '04 we did a low level combined, then later added HD2.=20 Then in Nov of '04 we installed the Nautel hybrid 3kw erp.=20 I also find that the HD signal is gone long before the analog is.=20 I also have two Class Cs that do OK in the market, but not sure=20 how well HD will do 70+ miles out in a car radio.=20 The Boston Acoustic needs a much better antenna system. Ken Meek, C E Clear Channel's KBFM/KTEX/KQXX/KHKZ-FM KVNS AM McAllen-Brownsville-Harlingen, TX --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Jun 10 23:24:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58969 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2006 05:56:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2006 05:56:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.209) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2006 05:56:00 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2006 05:55:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2006 05:55:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2006 05:55:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:55:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.145.98 From: "K8DAD" Subject: WOR Radio Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=9cw-Gw-duMx5GzivMJEgdbJGyRYQ6JX0x60uaHnwyC9gGSIxcNuZDoU X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Can anybody on our list help this guy from another list?: "This is a question for those who grew up in the New York area during=20 the 60' and 70's: Does anyone remember the radio show with WOR 710=20 AM "Rambling With Gambling"?...EZ music along with news and sports=20 along with Peter Roberts, Fred Felman in copter 710 with traffic and=20 light, fun topics along with the music...just wondered if any one knew=20 what happened to that radio gang that filled a lot of my mornings with=20 happiness. Thanks in advance." Thanks. From tomray@wor710.com Sun Jun 11 07:18:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63409 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2006 14:05:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2006 14:05:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.90) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2006 14:05:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2006 14:01:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2006 14:01:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:01:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: WOR Radio Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=CcW1ZNfXug4IiFHqAoBeHAGAlm9tIFWg4uwDWPiDftZPxEnv X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "K8DAD" wrote: > > Can anybody on our list help this guy from another list?: >=20 > "This is a question for those who grew up in the New York area during=20 > the 60' and 70's: Does anyone remember the radio show with WOR 710=20 > AM "Rambling With Gambling"?...EZ music along with news and sports=20 > along with Peter Roberts, Fred Felman in copter 710 with traffic and=20 > light, fun topics along with the music...just wondered if any one knew=20 > what happened to that radio gang that filled a lot of my mornings with=20 > happiness. Thanks in advance." >=20 > Thanks. > Sadly, John A Gambling passed away about a year ago (possibly less than that). John B had passed away years before. John R is now with WABC. George Meade, the helicopter traffic pilot (at the end of the '70's....early 80's?), recently retired and is co-hosting "Saturday Morning Live" with News Director Joe Bartlett, 6-10AM Saturdays. Roger Skibines (I'm sure I spelled it wrong) is working at a station in, I think, Maine. Shelley Strickler is retired and part-times in the news department. If you can name people, I can find out what they're up to for you. Tom Ray WOR From n1ea@arrl.net Sun Jun 11 22:36:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: n1ea@arrl.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37910 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2006 05:36:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2006 05:36:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2006 05:36:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2006 05:36:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2006 05:36:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:36:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.209.233.125 From: "David J. Ring, Jr." Subject: Part Needed - Sony SRF-42 AMAX Walkman receiver X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77032563; y=PDfrWNCkfHftXPVBrY4nZ5AiGh2zbitcOFCANaAzgeAnVgE X-Yahoo-Profile: djringjr I dropped my Sony SRF-42 AMAX Walkman receiver, and in putting it back=20=20 together the dial didn't work so I must have forced the tuning dial=20 because when I opened the radio for inspection, I found that I had lost=20 some of the plastic teeth in the plastic drive toothed strip. Does anyone have a service manual for this radio and could they give me=20 a part number for this. My vision isn't too good anymore - so hopefully this is all the damage=20 I've done. Maybe it would work if I could get the cog centered=20 correctly before I put on the white plastic switch lever and close the=20 circuit board! Also - I like this radio - even on "non-stereo" AM it is fairly=20 wideband. Is there another radio that I could find that sounds as good in a=20 shirt-pocket type? I use this to listen to AM when I can't get to sleep at night. I hope all are well,=20 Best Regards, David Ring, N1EA Green Harbor, MA From zebra@strangeanimals.net Mon Jun 12 15:40:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: zebra@strangeanimals.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68287 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2006 12:17:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2006 12:17:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2006 12:17:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2006 12:17:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2006 12:17:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:17:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.180.43.191 From: "amradiozebra" Subject: Sony parts numbers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=123903593; y=FzTLLtZIJ1rITZuAdtvCQWhAh0GxCRjXuJnkzVEhkLe7Y-R0R3ErtmQ X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiozebra The "gear" (knob) is 3-901-611-01 The "pointer" (toothed strip) is 3-901-612-01 From kya1260@lycos.com Tue Jun 13 10:13:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1847 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2006 17:08:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2006 17:08:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2006 17:08:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.8.90]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id D9D211800F58 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:07:50 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (192.168.8.32) by 192.168.8.90; 13 Jun 2006 17:01:47 -0000 Received: by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 67B493384B; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:01:49 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: yipeitsdjj@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:01:49 -0800 Received: from [69.237.173.0] by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:01:49 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060613170149.67B493384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: {AMSF} H D Radio - Letter to the Editor #3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=ilMydio37WmL211df09L619O-sJ4h-ZGJAORadbjbg36cN6Yzg X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ In the continuing saga of H D Radio's goings-on, here's another letter to the editor from the 6/13/2006 Radio Business Report=20 e-paper. This letter comes from Klamath Falls, Oregon... http://www.klamathradio.com/ http://www.klamathradio.com/WBC%20Corporate%20Information.htm --jay I read your articles with interest about the future of H D Radio.=20 While there are conflicting viewpoints regarding the overall=20 quality improvement over the analog signal and concerns regarding=20 the reduced signal reach, my question is why are more people=20 not addressing the monetary problem? The upfront charge and the annual revenue fee for a license is=20 ridiculous. Then, after these charges a broadcaster must spend=20 hundreds of thousands of dollars to actually implement the H D=20 system. Am I the only broadcaster that has put a pencil to the=20 bottom line of this disaster and surmised that there is no way=20 this is economically feasible for anyone except major broadcast=20 groups in major markets?=20 I am amused when I see comments from our industry that it is=20 imperative that we all change to H D Radio as quickly as=20 possible and promote it because it is the savior of our=20 beleaguered business.=20 Wake up and smell the coffee, no small market broadcaster and=20 very few medium market broadcasters are going to spend the=20 money to put this technology in place anytime in the near=20 future. Manufacturers will eventually realize that only=20 major market stations and the giant broadcast groups of=20 the world are going to install this system and it will=20 eventually peter out just as A M Stereo did. Robert Wynne President Wynne Broadcasting Company, Inc. --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From n1ea@arrl.net Tue Jun 13 11:01:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: n1ea@arrl.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66227 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2006 17:52:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2006 17:52:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.189) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2006 17:52:43 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n22.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2006 17:50:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2006 17:50:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2006 17:50:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:50:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.209.233.125 From: "David J. Ring, Jr." Subject: Re: Part Needed - Sony SRF-42 AMAX Walkman receiver X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77032563; y=SetO4m2sSmdvFawOYF3bAKQtryKEHgYxSaFJZngPNOR66Oc X-Yahoo-Profile: djringjr Thanks to those who sent emails to help me and to tell me that the service= =20 manual was in the PDF section of the groups files. The PDF doesn't mention taking out the spring clip which inserts into the=20 battery box! Those "little tricksters" at SONY! Thanks so much. I'm back on the air! 73 David N1EA --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "David J. Ring, Jr." =20 wrote: > > I dropped my Sony SRF-42 AMAX Walkman receiver, and in putting it back = =20 > together the dial didn't work so I must have forced the tuning dial=20 > because when I opened the radio for inspection, I found that I had lost=20 > some of the plastic teeth in the plastic drive toothed strip. >=20 > Does anyone have a service manual for this radio and could they give me=20 > a part number for this. >=20 > My vision isn't too good anymore - so hopefully this is all the damage=20 > I've done. Maybe it would work if I could get the cog centered=20 > correctly before I put on the white plastic switch lever and close the=20 > circuit board! >=20 > Also - I like this radio - even on "non-stereo" AM it is fairly=20 > wideband. >=20 > Is there another radio that I could find that sounds as good in a=20 > shirt-pocket type? >=20 > I use this to listen to AM when I can't get to sleep at night. >=20 > I hope all are well,=20 >=20 > Best Regards, >=20 > David Ring, N1EA > Green Harbor, MA > From n1ea@arrl.net Tue Jun 13 11:10:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: n1ea@arrl.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94268 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2006 17:58:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2006 17:58:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.175) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2006 17:58:46 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n8.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2006 17:55:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2006 17:55:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2006 17:55:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:55:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.209.233.125 From: "David J. Ring, Jr." Subject: Wide Band and Sensitive AM receiver - Shirt Pocket type X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77032563; y=gV9RohQL-EoOONPIBzTFjHx6RsZssyiOTHkVukghsCDA8ZI X-Yahoo-Profile: djringjr In other forums, this might be considered off topic - because they are=20 sometimes so strict. But I know from experience that this is the exact place where I will get=20 an informed answer. What recommendations have you all for a "hi-fi wide band shirt pocket" AM/ FM radio. Since stereo is hard to find, let's not include this for now. I've heard good things about the reception of the Sangean DT200V AM/FM/TV=20 Portable Pocket-Size Radio, but I see that they now have a DT210 model=20 which "might" be an upgrade. I know sometimes the newer models don't always mean better. Thanks in advance for your help - I've always found this a most helpful=20 group. 73 David J. Ring, Jr., N1EA =3D30=3D From tomray@wor710.com Tue Jun 13 13:00:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65466 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2006 19:57:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2006 19:57:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2006 19:57:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2006 19:57:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2006 19:57:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:57:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060613170149.67B493384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.244.191.141 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: {AMSF} H D Radio - Letter to the Editor #3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=e9W71i8L5I5JE9U4ADZhLAI9BJu0ghsNafVG2v1d8sugDc1b X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Mr. Wynne should recheck the HD licensing.... Yes, there is a ONE TIME licensing fee up front. No, there aren't any ANNUAL REVENUE FEES....unless you are running=20 additional audio or data channels for profit. If you simply turn it on for an FM without running any additional=20 services...or if you turn it on for an AM....you pay the one time=20 license fee...that's it. On another note...do the pages here under the new Yahoo look load=20 slower...or is it my imagination?? Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" =20 wrote: > > In the continuing saga of H D Radio's goings-on, here's another > letter to the editor from the 6/13/2006 Radio Business Report=20 > e-paper. > This letter comes from Klamath Falls, Oregon... > http://www.klamathradio.com/ > http://www.klamathradio.com/WBC%20Corporate%20Information.htm > --jay >=20 > I read your articles with interest about the future of H D Radio.=20 > While there are conflicting viewpoints regarding the overall=20 > quality improvement over the analog signal and concerns regarding=20 > the reduced signal reach, my question is why are more people=20 > not addressing the monetary problem? >=20 > The upfront charge and the annual revenue fee for a license is=20 > ridiculous. Then, after these charges a broadcaster must spend=20 > hundreds of thousands of dollars to actually implement the H D=20 > system. Am I the only broadcaster that has put a pencil to the=20 > bottom line of this disaster and surmised that there is no way=20 > this is economically feasible for anyone except major broadcast=20 > groups in major markets?=20 >=20 > I am amused when I see comments from our industry that it is=20 > imperative that we all change to H D Radio as quickly as=20 > possible and promote it because it is the savior of our=20 > beleaguered business.=20 > Wake up and smell the coffee, no small market broadcaster and=20 > very few medium market broadcasters are going to spend the=20 > money to put this technology in place anytime in the near=20 > future. Manufacturers will eventually realize that only=20 > major market stations and the giant broadcast groups of=20 > the world are going to install this system and it will=20 > eventually peter out just as A M Stereo did. >=20 > Robert Wynne > President > Wynne Broadcasting Company, Inc. >=20 > --=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos=20 Yellow Pages >=20 >=20 http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/defa ult.asp?SRC=3Dlycos10 > From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Tue Jun 13 13:52:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96657 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2006 20:43:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2006 20:43:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2006 20:43:09 -0000 Received: from [4.247.209.32] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FqFil-0006xz-Iy for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:42:45 -0400 Message-ID: <380-22006621320435953@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.122.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:43:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc73534a3b09bf9aa30ba1d3acec13f646350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} H D Radio - Letter to the Editor #3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=Fgyg5yVboikRd_Y3gb7U-a_gjGtgitHZGxtGqIqVA2WVqg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree - I think that the Yahoo email is loading slower. Incidentally, following is an article posted on the ABDX group: Dick W. Worm wriggles through Yahoo mail flaw By Dawn Kawamoto, CNET News.com Published on ZDNet News: June 12, 2006, 1:32 PM PT A new worm that targets Yahoo e-mail users is on the loose, taking advantage of an JavaScript flaw, a security company has warned. The Yamanner worm targets all versions of Yahoo Web-based mail except the latest beta version, Symantec said in an advisory released Monday. At the time of the advisory, there was no patch for the vulnerability. But by later on Monday, Yahoo said it had come up with a fix for the flaw, which it said had affected very few of its customers. "We have taken steps to resolve the issue and protect our users from further attacks of this worm. The solution has been automatically distributed to all Yahoo Mail customers, and requires no additional action on the part of the user," a Yahoo representative said. Both Yahoo and Symantec are encouraging people to update the antivirus definitions on their PCs. Yamanner arrives in a Yahoo mailbox bearing the subject header "New Graphic Site." Once the message is opened, the computer becomes infected and the worm spreads itself to people on the Yahoo e-mail contact list. The harvested e-mail addresses are also sent to a remote online server, which Symantec suspects may use the information for spam campaigns. "The worm is taking a pretty novel approach," said Dean Turner, senior manager of Symantec Security Response. "It takes advantage of a JavaScript vulnerability, so the user doesn't even have to click on an attachment to get infected." Yamanner exploits the Yahoo flaw by enabling the scripts that are embedded in HTML e-mails to be run by the user's Web browser. The worm, which was spotted in the wild early this morning, has hit the remote server more than 100,000 times, forwarding Yahoo e-mail addresses harvested from unsuspecting users, Turner said. Although the worm is spreading quickly, and no patch has been issued, Symantec is rating the threat a "2." The security vendor uses a 1-to-5 rating system, with "5" as its most severe category. "Antivirus definitions have been released for it, and Yahoo is working on a patch, so we don't want to cry wolf," Turner said. "Although there is the potential the worm will affect a larger number of people, for now to raise it to another (higher) level would be inappropriate." He added it is premature to predict whether this worm will morph into other forms and attack other browser-based forms of e-mail, such as Google's Gmail. Systems affected include Windows 2000, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows Me, Windows NT, Windows Server 2003 and Windows XP, according to Symantec's advisory. > [Original Message] > From: Tom Ray > To: > Date: 6/13/2006 4:00:11 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} H D Radio - Letter to the Editor #3 >>. . . . > On another note...do the pages here under the new Yahoo look load > slower...or is it my imagination?? > > Tom Ray > WOR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wnmb@sc.rr.com Tue Jun 13 14:35:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62827 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2006 21:33:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2006 21:33:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2006 21:33:57 -0000 Received: from user40vik86y22 (rrcs-24-199-186-206.midsouth.biz.rr.com [24.199.186.206]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5DLXsgH008729 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002401c68f31$0f140ea0$6901a8c0@user40vik86y22> To: References: Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:33:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Norman Communications" Subject: Re: {AMSF} H D Radio - Letter to the Editor #3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=4JzhNYLQ44zM6h9dCbpLNu1piAiFr-C8EyZyNG1juu9YUA X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all! How much is the one time fee for IBOC in a major market like North Myrtle Beach? We are still very, very happy with the AM Stereo. Response continues to grow. In addition, I must also say that every time I get in my car and drive down the highway, turn on the radio to the oldies, I know I got my money's worth and a whole lot more. Our AM Stereo separation is fantastic and the overall fidelity is better than I remembered from the 80s. Standing invitation for all AMS board members; come visit with us in North Myrtle Beach! Bill wnmb William Norman, Jr. WNMB: Norman Communications NMB Inc. 429 Pine Avenue North Myrtle Beach, S. C. 29582 Phone 843-249-NMB e mail: wnmb@sc.rr.com Website: www.wnmb900.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Ray To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 3:57 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} H D Radio - Letter to the Editor #3 Mr. Wynne should recheck the HD licensing.... Yes, there is a ONE TIME licensing fee up front. No, there aren't any ANNUAL REVENUE FEES....unless you are running additional audio or data channels for profit. If you simply turn it on for an FM without running any additional services...or if you turn it on for an AM....you pay the one time license fee...that's it. On another note...do the pages here under the new Yahoo look load slower...or is it my imagination?? Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" wrote: > > In the continuing saga of H D Radio's goings-on, here's another > letter to the editor from the 6/13/2006 Radio Business Report > e-paper. > This letter comes from Klamath Falls, Oregon... > http://www.klamathradio.com/ > http://www.klamathradio.com/WBC%20Corporate%20Information.htm > --jay > > I read your articles with interest about the future of H D Radio. > While there are conflicting viewpoints regarding the overall > quality improvement over the analog signal and concerns regarding > the reduced signal reach, my question is why are more people > not addressing the monetary problem? > > The upfront charge and the annual revenue fee for a license is > ridiculous. Then, after these charges a broadcaster must spend > hundreds of thousands of dollars to actually implement the H D > system. Am I the only broadcaster that has put a pencil to the > bottom line of this disaster and surmised that there is no way > this is economically feasible for anyone except major broadcast > groups in major markets? > > I am amused when I see comments from our industry that it is > imperative that we all change to H D Radio as quickly as > possible and promote it because it is the savior of our > beleaguered business. > Wake up and smell the coffee, no small market broadcaster and > very few medium market broadcasters are going to spend the > money to put this technology in place anytime in the near > future. Manufacturers will eventually realize that only > major market stations and the giant broadcast groups of > the world are going to install this system and it will > eventually peter out just as A M Stereo did. > > Robert Wynne > President > Wynne Broadcasting Company, Inc. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/defa ult.asp?SRC=lycos10 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mrcomment@yahoo.com Tue Jun 13 15:06:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mrcomment@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53483 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2006 22:01:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2006 22:01:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2006 22:01:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2006 22:00:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2006 22:00:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:00:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.89 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.139.198.161 From: "mrcomment" Subject: Re: H D Radio - Letter to the Editor #3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193606338; y=HzNoa6OwJgpCSR27W5ZTPDkdApV4sJVV7wS9zP2SA2hPcUK7 X-Yahoo-Profile: mrcomment --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > Mr. Wynne should recheck the HD licensing.... >=20 > Yes, there is a ONE TIME licensing fee up front. >=20 > No, there aren't any ANNUAL REVENUE FEES....unless you are running=20 > additional audio or data channels for profit. >=20 > If you simply turn it on for an FM without running any additional=20 > services...or if you turn it on for an AM....you pay the one time=20 > license fee...that's it. >=20 > On another note...do the pages here under the new Yahoo look load=20 > slower...or is it my imagination?? >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR >=20 >=20 >=20 Mr. Ray should read his license agreement as well. At no time have=20 they said that there will *not* be future charges for new=20 improvements in the software. This becomes a defacto license fee=20 since there is only one source and if you can't keep up with the=20 feature set, you'll fall behind the competition. When you get a=20 statement in writing that updates, including all improvements, will=20 be free, then and only then would I agree. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jun 14 06:09:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58894 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2006 13:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2006 13:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.158) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2006 13:09:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 42119 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jun 2006 13:09:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20060614130931.42117.qmail@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 06:09:31 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 06:09:31 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: Wide Band and Sensitive AM receiver - Shirt Pocket type X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=0yd3IhCpANxz59iMHmdgsjN8T8Y3LCUxe-GoBsGn7fRvnYAcRr6HIDU X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio David wrote: "What recommendations have you all for a "hi-fi wide band shirt pocket" AM/FM radio." Well, as you already know, the SRF-A42 is wideband (and stereo AM), but there are two other Sony portables, the SRF-AX51V and SRF-AX15 that are currently available that have AM stereo - but - others on the list will have to let you know which one has the wider bandwidth. Also, the late 80's SRF-A1 is spectacular - but requires headphones/earbuds. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Wed Jun 14 16:55:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50849 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2006 23:27:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2006 23:27:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-MTAout5.csiro.au) (150.229.64.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2006 23:27:50 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.56]) by vic-MTAout5.csiro.au with ESMTP; 15 Jun 2006 09:33:17 +1000 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,133,1149429600"; d="scan'208,217"; a="82999918:sNHT50268108" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:27:39 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:27:38 +1000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Re: Wide Band and Sensitive AM receiver - Shirt Pocket type Thread-Index: AcaPs9On0SN5OlQIToueak2bFwpShQAVFNlQ To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2006 23:27:39.0065 (UTC) FILETIME=[202ED290:01C6900A] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.64.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Wide Band and Sensitive AM receiver - Shirt Pocket type X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=OEHB28AibvJ4XsNQYdq_PhHjNmFAEgHgcznDPwa9kUd_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Johnny Electron David wrote: "What recommendations have you all for a "hi-fi wide band shirt pocket" AM/FM radio." Well, as you already know, the SRF-A42 is wideband (and stereo AM), but there are two other Sony portables, the SRF-AX51V and SRF-AX15 that are currently available that have AM stereo - but - others on the list will have to let you know which one has the wider bandwidth. Also, the late 80's SRF-A1 is spectacular - but requires headphones/earbuds. I've found the Sony SRF-AX51V (available from Audiocubes) excellent. It's a much better (smaller) size than the SRF-42. The sound on the AM band is almost as good as the SRF-42 and the FM band sound is far superior. It's also in a nice little leather look pouch. I've bought four of them. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Thu Jun 15 03:03:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74658 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2006 10:03:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2006 10:03:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO act-MTAout3.csiro.au) (150.229.7.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2006 10:03:20 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.56]) by act-MTAout3.csiro.au with ESMTP; 15 Jun 2006 19:58:31 +1000 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,135,1149429600"; d="scan'208"; a="98727468:sNHT7044895732" Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au ([138.194.10.10]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:58:11 +1000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k5F9wAdp015294; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:58:10 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:58:10 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Cc: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Return-Path: dav259@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2006 09:58:11.0721 (UTC) FILETIME=[3633FF90:01C69062] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.7.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Ian Davidson From: Ian Davidson Subject: Editing the letters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=rof56qiEPgLwNluyGtkC3Lzn6hKs_Ron2B220U4_HZhP I still love AM stereo so much - even if we're not hearing it at the moment out here in the Antipodies. How things have changed in Melbourne. What follows may demonstrate the feeling that most people still have never heard of it. If only they'd heard it!!! I wrote this to my favourite newspaper ... The Age (where the Green Guide is a great weekly insert). _ _ _ I have to say I was very disappointed with what was left of my letter published in the GG today. My letter was hacked so much that the meaning was gone. If you'd like I'm sure I could write a decent half page article on AM stereo. No charge! (Actually I could write much more.) This is what I've told my friends on the Oz radio newsgroup. I love The Age - but please lift your game ... _ _ _ I had a letter published in today's Green Guide where my message was totally lost by cutting out one word. The "s" word. Stereo. I don't mind The Age editing letters - but would like it if someone intelligent was given the job. Obviously the "editor" (of GG) had no idea what I was talking about. And readers would wonder why I'd say such a stupid thing. What I wrote was ... "I've been happily listening to my favourites for the last 20 years in AM stereo. It was great while it lasted but now it's gone." What was published was ... "I've been happily listening to my favourites for the last 20 years on AM. It was great while it lasted but now it's gone." Even if the GG editor was half intelligent he would have edited those two sentences as well. Because they are completely meaningless because they dropped one word and changed a preposition. It will now make me wonder when I disagree with other published letters in the GG whether the writer actually got a fair go. For what it's worth, this was my uncut submission ... _ _ _ For 26 years I've been patiently waiting for popular easy listening music on the FM band. But for some reason it's not hip enough for station programmers. We now have six commercial FM stations all sounding like clones of each other. For the last six years MIX-FM has been rating abysmally. For the last nine months we've also had Vega - which can't even beat Newsradio. I've been happily listening to my favourites for the last 20 years in AM stereo. It was great while it lasted but now it's gone. The time has arrived for FM to embrace the best hits of all time. And I'm talking about the greats like Sinatra, Percy Faith, Ferrante and Teicher, Bert Kaemfert, Mantovani, and yes ... Barry Manilow! Their hits are just as popular now as when they were at the top of the charts. During Vega's testing phase there was a period when it only played Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, and Neil Diamond. Vega promised the world to baby boomers and has delivered nothing. I feel cheated and won't be happy until an FM station regularly plays the Theme from Exodus. Ian Davidson St. Kilda ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian Davidson home: 03 9534 8786 41 Smith Street work: 03 9545 8717 St. Kilda Vic 3182 mobile: 0421 500 720 Australia dav259@optusnet.com.au ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mark_608@hotmail.com Thu Jun 15 14:46:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92081 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2006 21:46:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2006 21:46:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.168.28) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2006 21:46:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:45:51 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.168.200 by by113fd.bay113.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 21:45:49 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mark_608@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:45:49 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2006 21:45:51.0941 (UTC) FILETIME=[12776750:01C690C5] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.168.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Mark Sundquist" Subject: WJR In Stereo Once Again... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3850332; y=C61i0JlrwU-f-Szl7qG26fSUfC5657-wc6Bo2hlsz6VMUa0 X-Yahoo-Profile: mark_608 Did anybody else notice that 760 WJR out of Detroit is broadcasting in stereo once again today? I tuned in during the afternoon drive home and first thing I noticed was the increased bandwidth..then the stereo light popped on! There is full separation again too. It really is amazing, the difference between how they sound now and how they sounded a couple days ago with the severely restricted bandwidth and no stereo. I am sure this is temporary while they ramp up for HD...but a treat nonetheless.. Mark Sterling Heights, MI From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Jun 15 15:50:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+xauo+84+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35492 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2006 22:50:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2006 22:50:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2006 22:50:47 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.14]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 88642082 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:50:45 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c690ce$9e493b60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:54:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 6, in=9, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.14 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Editing the letters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=nMTu2D_EMcpMRg1c4tD-wRRMUWIArs04-7a91OXbHLB-EKBN5lpr X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Hack-job editing tends to be a rather universal phenominon. Sorry they had to butcher yours too. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Davidson" > > Even if the GG editor was half intelligent he would have edited those two > sentences as well. Because they are completely meaningless because they > dropped one word and changed a preposition. > > It will now make me wonder when I disagree with other published letters in > the GG whether the writer actually got a fair go. > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Jun 15 17:28:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88858 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2006 23:31:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2006 23:31:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2006 23:31:41 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-79-114.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.51.79.114] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Fr1JL-0006g8-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:31:39 -0400 Message-ID: <09b401c690d3$d82ee910$6505a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:31:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Editing the letters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=tQ4_pw0YCYUe-NWIljnTg1Hbj5PHKSFCi8YFfqg0roVeUgXN4KpBJ5OZ__Seqw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Ian, This is why I gave up on writing letters to the editors of newspapers. Everytime I would fire-off a letter, they would edit and change it to have the opposite meaning! That is what I LOVE about radio, There is no editor's desk. When you say it, the people hear just what you said. Even if you are a caller, they can't change your meaning, all they can do is let your words go, or Dump you on the delay. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Davidson" To: "amstereoforum" Cc: Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 5:58 AM Subject: {AMSF} Editing the letters > > > I still love AM stereo so much - even if we're not hearing it at the > moment out here in the Antipodies. > > How things have changed in Melbourne. > > What follows may demonstrate the feeling that most people still have never > heard of it. > > If only they'd heard it!!! > > I wrote this to my favourite newspaper ... The Age (where the Green Guide > is a great weekly insert). From labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 15 22:36:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 448 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2006 05:13:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2006 05:13:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2006 05:13:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2006 05:13:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2006 05:13:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 05:12:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.74.107.141 From: "Scott Higbee" Subject: Re: WJR In Stereo Once Again... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=257511206; y=uQSMNRL01_6HVPu492Dr6qrB0ulqURXuqRfGHDRbE059ub3B6O3x3y3HcUUtHvV_J1NM9w X-Yahoo-Profile: labonte43nc --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Sundquist"=20 wrote: > > Did anybody else notice that 760 WJR out of Detroit is=20 broadcasting in=20 > stereo once again today? I tuned in during the afternoon drive=20 home and=20 > first thing I noticed was the increased bandwidth..then the stereo=20 light=20 > popped on! There is full separation again too. > It really is amazing, the difference between how they sound now=20 and how they=20 > sounded a couple days ago with the severely restricted bandwidth=20 and no=20 > stereo. I am sure this is temporary while they ramp up for=20 HD...but a treat=20 > nonetheless.. >=20 > Mark > Sterling Heights, MI > Yes! I noticed it too here on the West side of the state. I do=20 remember about 10:30pm et last night that they were still mono. On=20 a side note WMFN 640 AM Stereo in Zeeland/Grand Rapids, Mi are back=20 in mono. Hopefully just temporary. From n1ea@arrl.net Fri Jun 16 02:58:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: n1ea@arrl.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4168 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2006 09:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2006 09:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2006 09:58:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2006 09:56:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2006 09:56:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:56:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.209.233.125 From: "David J. Ring, Jr." Subject: Re: Editing the letters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77032563; y=AZqxOPEc40lRkr7mjQYK3HW0-MzKreo2CXwdSfCxaD6_180 X-Yahoo-Profile: djringjr Ian, It is always lovely to hear from you. I remember as if were only=20 yesterday the look of disbelief on the Chief Engineer and his assistant=20 when I delivered your recordings of "traffic on the threes" recording of=20 WBZ Boston, Massachusetts 50 kW on 1030 kHz. I do hope that you've=20 received their promissed verification letter - and some soft of=20 promotional gift. The USA is rife for being backwards, back in the 1970s when WBZ and other=20 "clear channel" stations petitioned our administration (Federal=20 Communications Commission) for an increase of power to 500 kW which would=20 return A.M. to transcontinental coverage as it was in the 1920s and=20 1930s, the FCC responded not only by denying the petition, but they ended=20 the clear channel system saying that the stations should have protection=20 not country wide as it was then, but only through their secondary=20 coverage field strength contour area. I should think the best and most wonderful response would be a telephone=20 call to the G.G. and a meeting with an editor and an article "What Was=20 and What Could Have Been" - or something particularly quirky and=20 individualistic - something with the men and women from OZ particularly=20 thrive in. Start out with the shocking truth: There is and has been an A.M. Stereo=20 for years and that the fidelity and A.M. Stereo (musical "ding"=20 insterted here!) is greater than that of F.M. You could also claim about=20 the coverage of the MW BC band - but that is due to (mostly) the=20 frequency and not the mode - although again A.M is superior for weak=20 signal reception. Perhaps during an interview (or a telephonic interview?) you could supply=20 a high quality recording of A.M. Stereo and F.M. Stereo - I don't know=20 the frequency bandwidth you're allowed in OZ, but we could take a=20 recording of Marry Banilow and his hit song, "Randy" or the "Copra=20 Cabana". Anyone who has ears that can hear clearly would be absolutely=20 shocked at the difference. It seems I notice the difference when I hear two recordings that audio=20 lovers present: "Wow, do you hear the difference." and I am left=20 wondering if they are talking about some quality in a tone that is shaded=20 in a slightly different way. When I was young, I never had such=20 problems, when such a discussion was overheard, I instantly recognized=20 the difference. However, when observing the difference between A.M.=20 Stereo and F.M. Stereo, it is apparent to me that the clarity of the=20 sound is superior, that it isn't (oops, I have no word for it)=20 "scattered" like pointelism displays a patch of color, A.M. Stereo is=20 strong and vigourous and an even hue.=20=20 I think such an article would appeal to the Australian spirit of the love=20 of the unusual. It would also be a ready way to give quality=20 entertainment at less cost than small F.M. translators and booster=20 stations trying to cover the "outback". Why even the domestic service of=20 Radio Australia could incorporate A.M. Stereo during its soon to be=20 popular musical portions. I do think that this is worth a shot - even if you get shot down. An=20 editor who strikes "Stereo" after A.M. is ignorant of one of the=20 greatest technical developments in the world of radio. It ranks right up=20 there with F.M. Stereo, but of course A.M. stereo sounds much better.=20=20 Perhaps one of the more technical knowledgeable can supply a explanation=20 or words that describe the cleaner sound from A.M. than F.M. Be kind, the Editor of today, might be the Prime Minister of tomorrow -=20 such is the eventual deterioration of the lives of Editors. Be well, David J. Ring, Jr. Green Harbor, MA=20 U.S.A. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson =20 wrote: > >=20 >=20 > I still love AM stereo so much - even if we're not hearing it at the > moment out here in the Antipodies. >=20 > How things have changed in Melbourne. >=20 > What follows may demonstrate the feeling that most people still have=20 never > heard of it. >=20 > If only they'd heard it!!! >=20 > I wrote this to my favourite newspaper ... The Age (where the Green=20 Guide > is a great weekly insert). >=20 > _ _ _ >=20 >=20 > I have to say I was very disappointed with what was left of my letter > published in the GG today. >=20 > My letter was hacked so much that the meaning was gone. >=20 > If you'd like I'm sure I could write a decent half page article on AM > stereo. No charge! (Actually I could write much more.) >=20 > This is what I've told my friends on the Oz radio newsgroup. >=20 > I love The Age - but please lift your game ... >=20 > _ _ _ >=20 > I had a letter published in today's Green Guide where my message was > totally lost by cutting out one word. The "s" word. Stereo. >=20 > I don't mind The Age editing letters - but would like it if someone > intelligent was given the job. Obviously the "editor" (of GG) had no=20 idea > what I was talking about. And readers would wonder why I'd say such a > stupid thing. >=20 > What I wrote was ... >=20 > "I've been happily listening to my favourites for the last 20 years in=20 AM > stereo. It was great while it lasted but now it's gone." >=20 > What was published was ... >=20 > "I've been happily listening to my favourites for the last 20 years on=20 AM. > It was great while it lasted but now it's gone." >=20 > Even if the GG editor was half intelligent he would have edited those=20 two > sentences as well. Because they are completely meaningless because=20 they > dropped one word and changed a preposition. >=20 > It will now make me wonder when I disagree with other published letters=20 in > the GG whether the writer actually got a fair go. >=20 > For what it's worth, this was my uncut submission ... > _ _ _ >=20 > For 26 years I've been patiently waiting for popular easy listening=20 music > on the FM band. But for some reason it's not hip enough for station > programmers. We now have six commercial FM stations all sounding like > clones of each other. >=20 > For the last six years MIX-FM has been rating abysmally. For the last > nine months we've also had Vega - which can't even beat Newsradio. >=20 > I've been happily listening to my favourites for the last 20 years in=20 AM > stereo. It was great while it lasted but now it's gone. The time has > arrived for FM to embrace the best hits of all time. And I'm talking > about the greats like Sinatra, Percy Faith, Ferrante and Teicher, Bert > Kaemfert, Mantovani, and yes ... Barry Manilow! Their hits are just=20 as > popular now as when they were at the top of the charts. >=20 > During Vega's testing phase there was a period when it only played=20 Frank > Sinatra, Dean Martin, and Neil Diamond. Vega promised the world to=20 baby > boomers and has delivered nothing. I feel cheated and won't be happy > until an FM station regularly plays the Theme from Exodus. >=20 >=20 > Ian Davidson > St. Kilda >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > Ian Davidson home: 03 9534=20 8786 > 41 Smith Street work: 03 9545=20 8717 > St. Kilda Vic 3182 mobile: 0421 500=20 720 > Australia dav259@... > -------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > From mark_608@hotmail.com Fri Jun 16 04:56:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45500 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2006 11:55:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2006 11:55:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.168.44) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2006 11:55:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 04:54:18 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.168.200 by by113fd.bay113.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:54:12 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mark_608@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:54:12 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2006 11:54:18.0244 (UTC) FILETIME=[98FCCC40:01C6913B] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.168.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Mark Sundquist" Subject: WJR In Stereo Once Again... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3850332; y=9TZjXzSG34fXF7NgE6Mfv08k0Xt5rqhOAUJoREC10dSHoQQ X-Yahoo-Profile: mark_608 Did anybody else notice that 760 WJR out of Detroit is broadcasting in stereo once again today? I tuned in during the afternoon drive home and first thing I noticed was the increased bandwidth..then the stereo light popped on! There is full separation again too. It really is amazing, the difference between how they sound now and how they sounded a couple days ago with the severely restricted bandwidth and no stereo. I am sure this is temporary while they ramp up for HD...but a treat nonetheless.. Mark Sterling Heights, MI From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jun 16 05:58:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25273 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2006 12:58:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2006 12:58:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.158) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2006 12:58:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 50260 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2006 12:57:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20060616125740.50258.qmail@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 05:57:40 PDT Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 05:57:40 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1150450239.1055.96720.m17@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: WJR stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=TzBKiFRVMzX9jzBQdfVBbByGIeZMzGfJRTnjnnXWCgR-3k0JT-UyJDU X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Friday morning, "The great voice of the Great Lakes" lives up to its name again, as they are back in CQuam stereo. Maybe they're going to be smart and run it at night and IBOC during the day? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mspproductions@gmail.com Fri Jun 16 08:29:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mspproductions@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88523 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2006 15:29:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2006 15:29:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.207) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2006 15:29:29 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id q3so629690nzb for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.10.7 with SMTP id 7mr2100335nzj; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from ?192.168.2.5? ( [75.19.115.13]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id r1sm1779719nzd.2006.06.16.08.27.16; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:27:17 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:27:14 -0400 To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Questions about Sherwood CRD-210 Thread-Index: AcaRWVfulreoGv1MEdqrnAADk639Qg== In-Reply-To: <20060616125740.50258.qmail@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Matt Patoray Subject: Questions about Sherwood CRD-210 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272439332; y=32bPGEYTWhUp4Cq2Osa_yWMPfboK2W4kxz4DrPTObYXtbmo X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_patoray Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I just picked up 2 Sherwood CDR-210 radios and I have some questions about them. Does anyone have a PDF manual they could e-mail to me? Does anyone have any of the power/speaker connectors. What is the difference between the aux input and the CDP input on the back, what does the CD/Radio switch that is near the volume pot do? Matt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Sat Jun 17 00:42:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53680 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2006 07:41:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2006 07:41:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.51.16) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2006 07:41:58 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:41:36 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 07:41:34 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:41:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2006 07:41:36.0474 (UTC) FILETIME=[76480BA0:01C691E1] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.51.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Paul Crane" Subject: RE: {AMSF} WJR In Stereo Once Again... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851; y=x2Bzio7obh1_yicjw7kBMirgkjsI8p1BK5GhiKP2kWjMnv3LiN2P X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Yes, I got them in full stereo also. Also noted two weeks ago WLCM 1390 (Charlotte, MI) has turned their stereo back on after 3+ years of being mono. The station's owner is talking about turning on stereo for sister station WSNL 600 (Flint, MI). For those keeping track, WNEM 1250 (Bridgeport, MI) is mono, noted last weekend on a trip to Bay City. Paul Crane, KC8YQQ Jackson, MI USA Part 15 transmitters on air 24/7: AM stereo 1250, FM stereo 88.3 ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Mark Sundquist" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} WJR In Stereo Once Again... Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:54:12 -0400 Did anybody else notice that 760 WJR out of Detroit is broadcasting in stereo once again today? I tuned in during the afternoon drive home and first thing I noticed was the increased bandwidth..then the stereo light popped on! There is full separation again too. It really is amazing, the difference between how they sound now and how they sounded a couple days ago with the severely restricted bandwidth and no stereo. I am sure this is temporary while they ramp up for HD...but a treat nonetheless.. Mark Sterling Heights, MI Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Sat Jun 17 00:42:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56019 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2006 07:42:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2006 07:42:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.51.15) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2006 07:42:55 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:42:51 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 07:42:47 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:42:47 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2006 07:42:51.0159 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2CC1270:01C691E1] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.51.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Paul Crane" Subject: RE: {AMSF} WJR In Stereo Once Again... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851; y=Da8yLZbhrJGqvOTPnTzJgvBXYofPWPGZJdz5ydMKomcrFGnxrPp7 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Yes, I got them in full stereo also. Also noted two weeks ago WLCM 1390 (Charlotte, MI) has turned their stereo back on after 3+ years of being mono. The station's owner is talking about turning on stereo for sister station WSNL 600 (Flint, MI). For those keeping track, WNEM 1250 (Bridgeport, MI) is mono, noted last weekend on a trip to Bay City. Paul Crane, KC8YQQ Jackson, MI USA Part 15 transmitters on air 24/7: AM stereo 1250, FM stereo 88.3 ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Mark Sundquist" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} WJR In Stereo Once Again... Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:54:12 -0400 Did anybody else notice that 760 WJR out of Detroit is broadcasting in stereo once again today? I tuned in during the afternoon drive home and first thing I noticed was the increased bandwidth..then the stereo light popped on! There is full separation again too. It really is amazing, the difference between how they sound now and how they sounded a couple days ago with the severely restricted bandwidth and no stereo. I am sure this is temporary while they ramp up for HD...but a treat nonetheless.. Mark Sterling Heights, MI Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Sat Jun 17 00:44:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44208 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2006 07:44:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2006 07:44:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.51.19) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2006 07:44:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:44:01 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 07:44:00 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:44:00 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2006 07:44:01.0966 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD005CE0:01C691E1] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.51.19 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Paul Crane" Subject: RE: {AMSF} WJR In Stereo Once Again... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851; y=AOQfZM5_6UwQ4wxL1mUoPFDczxO4CEeXcD8OukicR_tqQw8Z0MWJ X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Yes, I got them in full stereo also. Also noted two weeks ago WLCM 1390 (Charlotte, MI) has turned their stereo back on after 3+ years of being mono. The station's owner is talking about turning on stereo for sister station WSNL 600 (Flint, MI). For those keeping track, WNEM 1250 (Bridgeport, MI) is mono, noted last weekend on a trip to Bay City. Paul Crane, KC8YQQ Jackson, MI USA Part 15 transmitters on air 24/7: AM stereo 1250, FM stereo 88.3 ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Mark Sundquist" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} WJR In Stereo Once Again... Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:54:12 -0400 Did anybody else notice that 760 WJR out of Detroit is broadcasting in stereo once again today? I tuned in during the afternoon drive home and first thing I noticed was the increased bandwidth..then the stereo light popped on! There is full separation again too. It really is amazing, the difference between how they sound now and how they sounded a couple days ago with the severely restricted bandwidth and no stereo. I am sure this is temporary while they ramp up for HD...but a treat nonetheless.. Mark Sterling Heights, MI Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From zebra@strangeanimals.net Sat Jun 17 08:40:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: zebra@strangeanimals.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98882 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2006 15:31:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2006 15:31:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2006 15:31:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2006 15:30:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2006 15:30:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:30:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.180.43.191 From: "amradiozebra" Subject: am vs fm X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=123903593; y=qd4gwgx3g6JckU4B7qM-hH-H4gy2tUFprFfoP14FZZ-4Jsydyd7HUPs X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiozebra One of our regular posters likes to say that Stereo AM sounds better than S= tereo FM... I=20 understand that (s)he is enthusiastic... Alas, the fact is, FM is better in= every way, save one.=20 And that one is DXing. Of course, that's enough for me... Why am I "picking on" someone who shares my interests? Mainly because the average person will discount all the other arguments for= analog AM=20 stereo, because of that one bit of hyperbole, even if Kahn said something o= nce about it.=20 Kahn is also prone to hyperbole in the eyes of most. And one scrap of hyperbole is like a worm in an apple. I'll understand if you want to flame me, but I did feel I had to make the p= oint. At least I have KPIG in stereo AM, After confirming it with the "DJ on duty= " (sty@kpig.com) I=20 have a new Sony coming in the mail from Audio Cubes *bounces up and down* yours toward clueful radio station managers, mike P.S. HD radio? What are you people (out there) thinking?? What a horrible I= dea!! Digital is=20 great! But that doesn't mean that "everything is better" on digital... shee= sh.=20 From wnmb@sc.rr.com Sat Jun 17 10:03:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98388 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2006 17:03:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2006 17:03:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2006 17:03:47 -0000 Received: from D333DQ61 (cpe-071-070-068-101.sc.res.rr.com [71.70.68.101]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5HH3B5d026937 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 13:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001201c6922f$ea2fd7c0$6501a8c0@D333DQ61> To: References: Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 13:03:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "WNMB" Subject: Re: {AMSF} am vs fm X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=cN90agblHSe8wLUsjlIjg0_CimSc_KMe7aLwcjOkSYObUw X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've gotta jump in on this one. Owning both AM and FM stations, and having many years of experience in both, My humble opinion is AM STEREO is better than FM. Now, having said that, you must have a number of things present. A good receiver like the Carver TX-11a or the Sony SFR a-100, and, of course, the radio station must do its part by making sure its audio chain and rf is "clean" with quality audio processing. We are getting 52 db of stereo separation on WNMB. The fidelity is fantastic. I can get in my Ford T-Bird or Explorer and punch between WNMB in AM Stereo and WNMI or other FM Stereo and THE AM IS THE CLEAR CHOICE FOR OVERALL BEST SOUND. It remains a shame that AM has gotten such a raw deal from the FCC, and now from its own broadcasters who either don't convert to AMS or turn it back on......although we have had quite a few do so recently. Bill wnmb ----- Original Message ----- From: amradiozebra To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 11:30 AM Subject: {AMSF} am vs fm One of our regular posters likes to say that Stereo AM sounds better than Stereo FM... I understand that (s)he is enthusiastic... Alas, the fact is, FM is better in every way, save one. And that one is DXing. Of course, that's enough for me... Why am I "picking on" someone who shares my interests? Mainly because the average person will discount all the other arguments for analog AM stereo, because of that one bit of hyperbole, even if Kahn said something once about it. Kahn is also prone to hyperbole in the eyes of most. And one scrap of hyperbole is like a worm in an apple. I'll understand if you want to flame me, but I did feel I had to make the point. At least I have KPIG in stereo AM, After confirming it with the "DJ on duty" (sty@kpig.com) I have a new Sony coming in the mail from Audio Cubes *bounces up and down* yours toward clueful radio station managers, mike P.S. HD radio? What are you people (out there) thinking?? What a horrible Idea!! Digital is great! But that doesn't mean that "everything is better" on digital... sheesh. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Jun 17 10:26:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90268 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2006 17:25:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2006 17:25:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2006 17:25:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2006 17:24:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2006 17:24:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 17:24:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.145.98 From: "K8DAD" Subject: Re: Questions about Sherwood CRD-210 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=INCZkm-hIg6RjcvftC6h8gKKtQCiz7rxzjuy1hhch542-q4PKaou1B8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio A relative of mine had that unit in the 80s, and IIRC the Sherwood=20 has a sticker/decal on the unit that told what color wire went to=20 where. I thought the RCA connectors were only an output to an=20 additional power amp? No manual, but it was a pretty=20 straightforward unit. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Matt Patoray=20 wrote: > > Hi, >=20 > I just picked up 2 Sherwood CDR-210 radios and I have some=20 questions about > them. >=20 > Does anyone have a PDF manual they could e-mail to me? >=20 > Does anyone have any of the power/speaker connectors. >=20 > What is the difference between the aux input and the CDP input on=20 the back, > what does the CD/Radio switch that is near the volume pot do? >=20 > Matt >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Jun 17 10:29:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84340 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2006 17:29:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2006 17:29:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.90) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2006 17:29:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2006 17:29:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2006 17:29:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 17:29:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.145.98 From: "K8DAD" Subject: Re: am vs fm X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=NCAgKjgqUG9buR5E_LIWikYmNSssDEuKyaS-zWUi4LxV3LH4xCmBQdg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio The AMS stations that I listen too, sound "different" in AMS, and I=20 like the way it "sounds better than FMS". The way the (AM) stereo=20 separation 'jumps out' at you is one reason why, in my opinion, AM=20 Stereo 'sounds better' than FM stereo because of the way the stereo=20 separation comes thru on the receiving end. That is an opinion, but=20 the stereo separation on WJR's commercials jump out and put you=20 there better than the local FM commercials do. 60's 'extreme=20 stereo' songs on AM Stereo sound absolutely fantastic on CFCO. WSM's Grand Ole Opry in AM Stereo used to be fabulous too. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amradiozebra" =20 wrote: > > One of our regular posters likes to say that Stereo AM sounds=20 better than Stereo FM... I=20 > understand that (s)he is enthusiastic... Alas, the fact is, FM is=20 better in every way, save one.=20 > And that one is DXing. Of course, that's enough for me... > From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sat Jun 17 12:51:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44496 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2006 19:51:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2006 19:51:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2006 19:51:55 -0000 Received: from [4.247.121.106] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Frgph-0003mU-Sn for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:51:50 -0400 Message-ID: <380-22006661719515315@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.122.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:51:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc5c55f046aafd974472f37353b3f8abc7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: RE: {AMSF} am vs fm X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=uRbNEYZ2kRyrG7gPHjhClF_sKqpUAWdAQR3Fsf3yh0F8Ow Years ago, when WGUL (AM & FM) here in Tampa-St. Pete was AM Stereo ("Music of Your Life" and hits from the 1950s-1970s), one day on a drive I positioned my car approximately equidistant between their AM and FM towers, where I was receiving a very strong signal from both AM & FM. On my car radio (Dodge factory AM stereo), the AM sounded incredibly better than the FM. The crispness and separation on the AM just wiped out the FM. From that day forward I was a believer. Unfortunately, AM stereo receivers were never mandated and the technology didn't survive. Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: amradiozebra > To: > Date: 6/17/2006 11:40:34 AM > Subject: {AMSF} am vs fm > > One of our regular posters likes to say that Stereo AM sounds better than Stereo FM... I > understand that (s)he is enthusiastic... Alas, the fact is, FM is better in every way, save one. > And that one is DXing. Of course, that's enough for me... > > Why am I "picking on" someone who shares my interests? > > Mainly because the average person will discount all the other arguments for analog AM > stereo, because of that one bit of hyperbole, even if Kahn said something once about it. > Kahn is also prone to hyperbole in the eyes of most. > > And one scrap of hyperbole is like a worm in an apple. > > I'll understand if you want to flame me, but I did feel I had to make the point. > > At least I have KPIG in stereo AM, After confirming it with the "DJ on duty" (sty@kpig.com) I > have a new Sony coming in the mail from Audio Cubes *bounces up and down* > > yours toward clueful radio station managers, > > mike From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jun 17 16:06:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72769 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2006 23:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2006 23:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2006 23:05:38 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-79-114.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.51.79.114] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FrjrE-0003Mk-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 19:05:36 -0400 Message-ID: <015b01c69262$85db7440$6905a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 19:05:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} am vs fm X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=enYC4uh7akN3ZAU15jYB5QkY_OhwszaiAZK_eSdiqIW-KNBBMClhIGJv31nomg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit amradiozebra wrote: > One of our regular posters likes to say that Stereo AM sounds better than Stereo FM... I understand that (s)he is enthusiastic... Alas, the fact is, FM is better in every way, save one. And that one is DXing. Of course, that's enough for me... Not so! There are many technical reasons why AM Stereo sounds much better than FM Stereo IF the station is set up correctly AND the listener has a radio worth a damn. Naturally, a cheap boom-box will sound better on FM than it will listening to the 2KC wide AM radio in it. But when comparing apples to apples, like with a GOOD FM tuner and a GOOD AM Tuner such as the Carver TX-11B, the AM shines. Discriminator noise is a big killer of sound quality on FM, and that is the receiver. Take an FM radio and put it on a vacant station, or better yet, remove the antenna and put the radio in a Faraday cage where there is NO signal at all. What you hear is white noise from the discriminator. The first hurdle the signal has to get past is to be strong enough to drown out the discriminator noise. A weak signal will sound hissy due to QRM from the discriminator circuit. On the other hand, a GOOD AM tuner has very little internal noise. Remove the antenna and place it in the same Faraday cage and crank the volume all of the way up, and you MIGHT hear a slight hiss from the internal noise of the radio, but NOTHING like from the FM. So this means you have a MUCH lower noise floor to overcome on AM. Another factor that really kills the audio on FM is the inferior Multiplex Stereo system the FCC screwed all FM broadcasters with. Fidelity is limited to 15 kHz to keep from interfering with the 19kHz Pilot tone. Also, a broadcaster looses 10% of the coverage area if he is in Stereo. Another problem with FM stereo is the more Separation you broadcast, the more Multipath interference you will get. Also the farther you are away from the transmitter, the noisier the signal will be with less separation. This is why almost all car stereos blend to mono unless you are right under the transmitter! Yet another problem with FM Stereo is if the station is a Top-40 or Hot Country station in a loudness war with a composite clipper, the audio can punch holes in the Stereo signal killing even more separation and fidelity. All you hear is grunge. With AM Stereo on the other hand, Before the NRSC standards were dumped on us, AM stations could broadcast 20kHz Audio bandwidth. Also an Am Stereo signal does not worsen the Signal to noise ratio OR reduce the separation as you move away from the transmitter. You get full fidelity and separation all of the way out till the signal drops below the noise floor. The only artifact from multipath (Such as Selective fading) is platform motion, and that is not even an issue with the superior KAHN ISB Stereo system. Am stereo does NOT degrade the Mono performance of the Radio station and the Stereo signal range is the same as the Mono signal range. The reason AM Stereo signals seam to "Jump out of your Dashboard" is AM Stereo can broadcast with MUCH better separation than FM, In fact AM Stereo has better Stereo separation than Colombia LP records, Phillips Compact Cassettes, Lear Jet 8-Track Tapes, or RCA 45RPM Singles! Because wider separation does not degrade the signal, many AM stations run Stereo expanders making them sound even wider! If the AM station happens to be in a Loud War, they can crank their Optimod into the nose bleed levels and make their competition sound weak and puny without degrading the Stereo! In fact they can crank up the separation on the Optimod and really make the sound jump out at you! > > the average person will discount all the other arguments for analog AM stereo, because of that one bit of hyperbole, even if Kahn said something once about it. Kahn is also prone to hyperbole in the eyes of most. Bob Carver, who is NO friend of Kahn's, used to go to Audiophile conventions and set up a High End Tube CD player that was driving a Stereo part 15 AM transmitter and a High End pre-amp driving his best tube amps and speakers. the preamp was also being driven in another input by a Carver TX-11B AM tuner. He would invite ALL of the snooty audiophile magazine editors and writers over, you know the kind who claim they can hear the difference between Lot numbers of high-end Monster speaker cables. Anyway, he would flip the preamp back and forth between the AM tuner and the CD player directly and ask these Audiophiles which input sounded better. The few who claimed to hear the difference would choose the TX-11B tuner as sounding BETTER than the CD player directly! LOL But then Bob Carver is the same guy who made an Amp the size of a toaster that these same Snooty audiophiles couldn't tell from a Tube amp! Of course any half-deaf retired Warp-Room operator from a cotton mill can hear the difference between the CD player and FM. HD-Radio sounds just like a Real Audio webcast. Even when saddled with NRSC and the inferior C-QUAM AM Stereo system my Delco UX-1 sounds MUCH better on AM than FM If you still think I am full of Bull produced fertilizer, go to the FTP site and download the airchecks of WTTM and WWRL. I dirty dog DARE you to come up with an FM Analog or HD-Radio, or AM HD-Radio aircheck that sounds better. > > I'll understand if you want to flame me, but I did feel I had to make the point. Please don't take this post as a flame because it isn't. Just your post is technically incorrect. But the consumer does think AM sounds bad because he has a radio like the Delco in my Mom's Pontiac Grand Prix that sounds bad on it's near deaf FM tuner and not even listenable on it's 10 cent AM tuner. I love Mom, but she ain't getting my UX-1! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jun 17 19:00:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43899 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2006 02:00:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2006 02:00:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2006 02:00:02 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-79-114.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.51.79.114] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FrmWE-0000nC-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 21:56:06 -0400 Message-ID: <01ff01c6927a$575bd7a0$6905a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <380-22006661719515315@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 21:55:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} am vs fm X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=curl_X0a4Aq6ilPPnWoLZi7VLcCL0A7b8loIbXwScCqAEoTBICyZvnKrnLCMOg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Dick W wrote: > Years ago, when WGUL (AM & FM) here in Tampa-St. Pete was AM Stereo > ("Music of Your Life" and hits from the 1950s-1970s), one day on a drive I > positioned my car approximately equidistant between their AM and FM > towers, where I was receiving a very strong signal from both AM & FM. On > my car radio (Dodge factory AM stereo), the AM sounded incredibly better > than the FM. While it is true that most AM-FM Simulcasts sound Better on the AM side (Like WOWO AM-FM), You have to admit WGUL-FM had the worst audio on the FM dial in Tampa...And Tampa has some horrible sounding stations. When I first moved to St. Pete, then Thonotosassa, then Seffner, the FIRST thing I bitched about was the piss poor sound quality of the radio stations. Somebody at Infinity must have heard my pleas because WSJT all of a sudden went from fuzz to one of the best sounding FMs I have ever heard! Later they got themselves a digital hash maker... At least ZNS-1, WLBE, and WVLG sound decent, even if they are Mono. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 18 22:54:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52147 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2006 05:54:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2006 05:54:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2006 05:54:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2006 05:54:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2006 05:54:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:54:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.22.152.126 From: "Scott Higbee" Subject: WTTN AM 1580 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=257511206; y=5VSmeDQ-sNPzBf6JwR4YOCtv2gF8xw5spyK42AAFM1TfODfinGPGRMqjmfXpVUBueYgScg X-Yahoo-Profile: labonte43nc If anyone lives in Wisconson, can someone verify if 1580 AM is=20 broadcasting in AMS. I do not see it listed anywhere that it is,=20 however I am getting a some seperation and the ST light is lighting up. Thanks Scott Higbee Marne, Mi From grenert@yahoo.com Mon Jun 19 10:54:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: grenert@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3085 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2006 17:51:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2006 17:51:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.162) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2006 17:51:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 44438 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jun 2006 17:51:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20060619175101.44436.qmail@web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.68.210.59] by web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:51:01 PDT Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:51:01 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "James P. Grenert, MD, PhD" Subject: KPIG (was Re: {AMSF} am vs fm) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=120617486; y=Ka8MjEgYCBrSz-zyh2lAxfXnLqTNgFEF_jZKedd_7UI0fA X-Yahoo-Profile: grenert Are you sure KPIG is in stereo? I listened this morning through headphones with my SRF-42 and it sounds nice (reasonably good high extension), but it did not sound stereo. This is from San Francisco; maybe I'm too far from the transmitter? The music is still good ;) -J. P. --- amradiozebra wrote: > At least I have KPIG in stereo AM, After confirming > it with the "DJ on duty" (sty@kpig.com) I > have a new Sony coming in the mail from Audio Cubes > *bounces up and down* > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kya1260@lycos.com Mon Jun 19 15:16:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87805 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2006 22:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2006 22:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2006 22:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.8.90]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 6E8D91800D7E for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:15:03 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (192.168.8.33) by 192.168.8.90; 19 Jun 2006 22:15:03 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A8E3DCA0CC; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:15:02 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:15:02 -0800 Received: from [69.237.173.0] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:15:02 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060619221502.A8E3DCA0CC@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: KPIG (was Re: {AMSF} am vs fm) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=GSpcToKPGFZrCyFv97QXtD2eV6hMddQlqen7HxJuUSwt_Fo18Q X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ The transmitter is in the Oakland city limits and, no, KPIG is not in stereo - yet. Mike Martindale handles the transmitter site for the AM KPIG and told me a few months ago there are issues that need to be taken care of before KPIG goes stereo,=20 but he says it WILL be AM Stereo shortly... --Jay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James P. Grenert, MD, PhD" > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: KPIG (was Re: {AMSF} am vs fm) > Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:51:01 -0700 (PDT) >=20 >=20 > Are you sure KPIG is in stereo? I listened this > morning through headphones with my SRF-42 and it > sounds nice (reasonably good high extension), but it > did not sound stereo. This is from San Francisco; > maybe I'm too far from the transmitter? >=20 > The music is still good ;) > -J. P. >=20 > --- amradiozebra wrote: > > At least I have KPIG in stereo AM, After confirming > > it with the "DJ on duty" (sty@kpig.com) I have a new Sony coming=20 > > in the mail from Audio Cubes > > *bounces up and down* > > >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > http://www.geocities.com/yipeitsdjj The DJ Jay Homepage --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Jun 21 15:59:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+Z/8u+0+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14698 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2006 22:49:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2006 22:49:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2006 22:49:49 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.159]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 88410276 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:49:46 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <008701c69585$815bbda0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:53:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 2, in=3, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.159 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Questions about Sherwood CRD-210 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=ZDk6t7G8kFtrnY2oX67cP1e43g1j2CW2VTziB2xqmxpZnBKaDWdh X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I use this as my source for manuals- http://www.servicemanuals.net/. Prices are fairly reasonable. Can't answer all your other questions, but the CD/Radio switch would be the equivalent of the on/off switch for the radio. In the CD position it's either entirely off or runs only when a CD is inserted. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Patoray" > Hi, > > I just picked up 2 Sherwood CDR-210 radios and I have some questions about > them. > > Does anyone have a PDF manual they could e-mail to me? > > Does anyone have any of the power/speaker connectors. > > What is the difference between the aux input and the CDP input on the back, > what does the CD/Radio switch that is near the volume pot do? > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 21 19:06:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83331 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2006 02:06:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2006 02:06:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2006 02:06:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2006 02:06:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2006 02:06:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 02:06:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060616125740.50258.qmail@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.222.78 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: WJR stereo! -- and on FM IBOC, too X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=P8KuLCh_9pm3eRmWlL8QbceEDkqRGxN4JLrHdC5OrCYpIo-xiw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Friday morning, "The great voice of the Great Lakes" lives up to > its name again, as they are back in CQuam stereo. Maybe they're > going to be smart and run it at night and IBOC during the day? WJR's audio is now simulcast on the HD2 channel of co-owned 96.3=20 WDVD in Detroit, so perhaps ABC sees no need to broadcast WJR itself=20 in IBOC on the AM band, when its audio is available via FM IBOC. Using this as an example, we might soon see other examples of ABC=20 simulcasting their AM stations on the HD2 channels of co-owned FM=20 stations, rather than implementing AM IBOC. For example, New York=20 City's 770 WABC might soon have its audio on the HD2 channel of co-owned 95.5 WPLJ (also a Hot AC station, just like WDVD). 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Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jun 2006 23:56:22.0726 (UTC) FILETIME=[76DE9E60:01C69657] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.162.75 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: ftp user/pass X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=lEVbmGfL-H56BQzIrI9fvHJQpouhA3YIU0STY_gsP6P1 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd i have doc's to upload. anyone have the user / pass for this site. Please email offline ;) ftp://amstereo.audio-stream.net/upload-here-please/ Thank You, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jun 22 19:16:57 2006 X-Deleted-Message: yes From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Fri Jun 23 04:53:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88008 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 11:53:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 11:53:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.51.28) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 11:53:04 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 04:52:42 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:52:42 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:52:42 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2006 11:52:42.0684 (UTC) FILETIME=[88EBBFC0:01C696BB] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.51.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Paul Crane" Subject: WJR has gone IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851; y=mYAY9xTKqVQbWWGN6p95iCNlLCjXwDOIDREsqVYdrbAWnRnKDe-o X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane "The Great Voice of the Great Lakes" is now "The Great Noise of the Great Lakes". While tuning across the AM band this morning, WJR was mono at 5:30 EDT. While trying to ID a classic country station on 770 at 6:00, WJR turned on IBOC and blew it away with digihash. On my way to work, I confirmed more digihash on 750. Preset button #4 quickly was changed from 760 to 1680 where Radio Disney is still in stereo. Paul Crane, KC8YQQ Jackson, MI USA Part 15 transmitters on air 24/7: AM stereo 1250, FM stereo 88.3 _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jun 23 06:14:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3554 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 13:14:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 13:14:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 13:14:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 82153 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jun 2006 13:14:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20060623131415.82151.qmail@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 06:14:15 PDT Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 06:14:15 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: WJR stereo! -- and on FM IBOC, too X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=_BcUnDp_iOfsiK74i93lzMSLo5ZDcQsugcylw13HPCt9MiTAJACro4k X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio It was too good to last on WJR - nice stereo commecials that 'pop' right out at you - back to a very muddy, bassy mono audio by 5pm Thursday :( WJR R.I.P. As far as AM on HD sub channel signals on IBOC, WWJ transmits on the FM HD2 in Detroit, yet they still run the AM spark generator on 930, 940, 960, and 970KHz. I doubt if ABC is any smarter to not destroy their 50KW clear channel with muddy audio (in mono) when they could put WJR's audio on their 96.3FM HD2. That would make way too much sense. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 23 21:02:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65268 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2006 04:00:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2006 04:00:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2006 04:00:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2006 04:00:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2006 04:00:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 04:00:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.208.94.158 From: "Scott Higbee" Subject: WBBL-AM 1340 Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=257511206; y=BKlQ7JuTVA7BvMpMdqh5SjT1Jtq5660R4InLAMqZ1S1RTZmqUVFAWXL4HgZ5QVEvZkrMfA X-Yahoo-Profile: labonte43nc Ok, I have tried 3 different tuners and I get the same answer on all=20 3. WBBL-AM 1340 in Grand Rapids, Mi is in AM Stereo. I thought at=20 first that it may be a false reading, but on 3 different tuners? If=20 anyone is in earshot of 1340 please check it so I can be assured that=20 I'm not crazy. I have not been able to contact the station (which is=20 owned by Citadel) to make sure as of yet. I sure hope this is good news on the same day that 760 WJR began to=20 sound like crap. Also here in the GR area there is a strange sound in=20 the 760 carrier, Is this also a side effect of IBOC?=20=20 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jun 23 22:11:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78562 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2006 05:11:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2006 05:11:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.151) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2006 05:11:35 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n8.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2006 05:11:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2006 05:11:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2006 05:11:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 05:11:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060623131415.82151.qmail@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.244.185 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: WJR stereo! -- and on FM IBOC, too X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=3OCJfpOPR9bSD7SttjWsG0BqDWUY6cPu5gF_eAE6HeI-6xm3bw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > As far as AM on HD sub channel signals on IBOC, WWJ transmits on > the FM HD2 in Detroit, yet they still run the AM spark generator on > 930, 940, 960, and 970KHz. I doubt if ABC is any smarter to not > destroy their 50KW clear channel with muddy audio (in mono) when > they could put WJR's audio on their 96.3FM HD2. > That would make way too much sense. WJR's audio is already on the HD2 channel of 96.3 FM in Detroit. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jun 23 23:30:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48476 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2006 06:30:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2006 06:30:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.204) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2006 06:30:02 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n13.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2006 06:29:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2006 06:29:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2006 06:29:57 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 06:29:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.40.67 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: WBBL-AM 1340 Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=m3PzZJ2zFUtgaHvJMCEkRtg5hiE9s0WcwQFvXklhTJb27yU1 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Higbee" =20 wrote: > I sure hope this is good news on the same day that 760 WJR began to=20 > sound like crap. Also here in the GR area there is a strange sound=20 in=20 > the 760 carrier, Is this also a side effect of IBOC? Yes- If you're hearing on a forced-stereo receive3r, you'll noticed it=20 clearly. What it is, is data (much like RDS) in a proprietary format=20 used in IBOC, transmitted in the quadrature (Q) channel. This is why=20 IBOC and quadrature/phase-based AM stereo systems (including ISB)=20 cannot coexist on the same transmission. (ISB and C-QUAM are both quadrature-modulated systems, only with the (L- R) polarity reversed, which allows phase cancellation to give the=20 characteristic independent sideband audio.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Sat Jun 24 06:13:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93163 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2006 13:13:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2006 13:13:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.162.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2006 13:13:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 06:13:06 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 69.34.166.59 by BAY108-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:13:02 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:13:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jun 2006 13:13:06.0005 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE41E050:01C6978F] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.162.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: ams ftp site **New Uploads** X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=s3yb4GAbXWTGCdR62UN5XHznxZXbvYhx6DHHmg5hLQ7d X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Hi, for those interested, I just uploaded complete manuals in pdf format for the CRL SPP-800, SEP-800, and SMP-900 Enjoy ;) Thank You, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Sat Jun 24 06:15:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26553 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2006 13:15:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2006 13:15:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.162.73) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2006 13:15:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 06:14:56 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 69.34.166.59 by BAY108-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:14:54 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:14:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jun 2006 13:14:56.0426 (UTC) FILETIME=[3012C8A0:01C69790] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.162.73 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: ftp user/pass X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=y3-nX06K_m2xbZdQvAefVXhxBT-TRLQtr51MA4ceIxT6 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Hi Amy, That worked :) I guess it just wanted me to actually type it out as opposed to checking the log in as anonymous box. Thank You, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree From russknightwsgn@yahoo.com Sat Jun 24 08:25:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: russknightwsgn@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45964 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2006 15:25:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2006 15:25:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54504.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.154) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2006 15:25:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 88876 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jun 2006 15:25:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20060624152518.88874.qmail@web54504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [166.102.245.122] by web54504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:25:18 PDT Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:25:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Russ Knight Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WBBL-AM 1340 Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4968378; y=2eKo0kTQi4Vb9Xo8WVnj-VQ_fP1t9AOewQXcwNuuUh5e_ShWTvYmyMI X-Yahoo-Profile: RussKnightWSGN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amy, Scott is correct about the hash on the side bands of the station. IBOC (In band on channel) is just another move to destroy AM radio or at least force it to news talk only. The NAB ( National asssociation of Broadcasters) is no friend to AM. Clear Channel, owner of more stations than any one is in on this to. The math to prove this point is reather deep, so I;ll just tell you that if it is IBOC or HD witch is Digital. These new services are flawed that a regular AM station would be inspected and probably recieve a fine. There are sites you might wish to visit. One is AM Stereo, the other is NSRC. You will have to give your name and email address. Note when you read this that it was voluntary on the part of broadcasters and good faith on the part of receiver manufactures. They never built the hi fi radio's. The exception was sony.What scares FM is that properly done AM does have a better sound than FM. So the politics set in and as always money over rode good Engineering. I was there back in the late 70's and 80's working with Leonard Kahn and was one of 12 Engineers in America to put AM in stereo. That God we made recordings to proove to the nay sayers that we were right and they were full of it. I hope I have been of some help to you.. Sincerely: Russ Knight Retire Electrical Engineer Amy Mousie wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Higbee" wrote: > I sure hope this is good news on the same day that 760 WJR began to > sound like crap. Also here in the GR area there is a strange sound in > the 760 carrier, Is this also a side effect of IBOC? Yes- If you're hearing on a forced-stereo receive3r, you'll noticed it clearly. What it is, is data (much like RDS) in a proprietary format used in IBOC, transmitted in the quadrature (Q) channel. This is why IBOC and quadrature/phase-based AM stereo systems (including ISB) cannot coexist on the same transmission. (ISB and C-QUAM are both quadrature-modulated systems, only with the (L- R) polarity reversed, which allows phase cancellation to give the characteristic independent sideband audio.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Jun 24 15:54:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16019 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2006 22:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2006 22:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2006 22:54:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 47387 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jun 2006 22:54:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20060624225400.47381.qmail@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.240.145.98] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:54:00 PDT Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:54:00 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: WBBL-AM 1340 Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=i8zXfn3dKyujHwZMIwJkzmYVt1OZY3LdQu7a5jlwOoIDXZdX8Pei1eU X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio If I'm not mistaken, TWO stations have RESUMED AM STEREO BROADCASTING in Mid-Michigan! Check with Paul. Jeff Deck - were you able to get some recordings of WJR with your AMS tuner so you can have some 'before' and 'after' 'pictures' of good and bad audio? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jun 24 16:32:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2135 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2006 23:29:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2006 23:29:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2006 23:29:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2006 23:29:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2006 23:29:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 23:29:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.240.206 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: ams ftp site **New Uploads** X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=DVT1T2rB6nrw5ui3m2xgDsa_4AcxZO-7tPnGy6LgxZYhEPG6YQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > for those interested, I just uploaded complete manuals in pdf > format for the CRL SPP-800, SEP-800, and SMP-900 >=20 > Enjoy ;) Thanks! Do you also happen to have the manual for the SEP-400A? From labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 25 12:30:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72927 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2006 19:28:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2006 19:28:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.88) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2006 19:28:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2006 19:28:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2006 19:28:39 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 19:28:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060624225400.47381.qmail@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.208.80.63 From: "Scott Higbee" Subject: Re: WBBL-AM 1340 Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=257511206; y=z6sni6O9ZAHYtCk_O4mETTT1oH1SNgnyZNyhdH4dTLX8nRyEZ9X2EMPVlB6MPXVkVIIBfQ X-Yahoo-Profile: labonte43nc --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > If I'm not mistaken, TWO stations have RESUMED AM STEREO=20 BROADCASTING in > Mid-Michigan! Check with Paul. >=20 > Jeff Deck - were you able to get some recordings of WJR with your=20 AMS tuner so > you can have some 'before' and 'after' 'pictures' of good and bad=20 audio? >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com > Ok, WBBL says that they are not in AMS, however this only happens=20 at night. Stereo light comes on and there is a bit of platform=20 motion in the signal. I cannot detect any seperation. Is it=20 possible that another 1340 am broadcasting in AMS is just strong=20 enough to trip the stereo indicator yet not strong enough to=20 overtake the frequency? I have never seen this happen before. Scott Higbee Marne, Mi From badeditpro@charter.net Sun Jun 25 13:01:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59268 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2006 20:01:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2006 20:01:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.176) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2006 20:01:46 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n9.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2006 20:01:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2006 20:01:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2006 20:01:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 20:01:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.115.176.135 From: "JC" Subject: Re: ams ftp site **New Uploads** X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=XKj6RGnP1Ab4y_yy1NSGjiuqktS5Sugnm5RfkK66f4Fhg-YJ25X3gNM1F-03 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Hey=85 I hate to look like a complete idiot but I can't find where to get those manuals=85.Could somebody post a link or tell me where to go? I'd really like to have those. Thanks for posting them! : ) JC --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" wrote: > > Hi, >=20 > for those interested, I just uploaded complete manuals in pdf format for the=20 > CRL SPP-800, SEP-800, and SMP-900 >=20 > Enjoy ;) >=20 > Thank You, >=20 > Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis > Universal Life Ministries > http://www.ulc.org > Moderator Hunterdonfree > From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jun 25 13:22:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35736 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2006 20:22:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2006 20:22:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.90) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2006 20:22:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2006 20:22:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2006 20:22:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 20:22:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.11.137 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: ams ftp site **New Uploads** X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=b5WRg0id9Ub6t_zWFq_-hk7aZQ_9p8hr0BwuiLkOz9_IM_yA X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JC" wrote: > > Hey=85 I hate to look like a complete idiot but I can't find where to > get those manuals=85.Could somebody post a link or tell me where to=20 go? > I'd really like to have those. Thanks for posting them! >=20 >=20 > : ) This'll lead you directly to the /upload-here-please folder on the=20 archive site: http://tinyurl.com/4qr5p For the AMS archive site itself: http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/files/ams.php Uploading is via via anonymous FTP, accessable via a link near the=20 bottom. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Jun 26 02:18:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97065 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2006 09:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2006 09:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2006 09:16:55 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.152.204.222.dial1.atlanta1.level3.net ([4.152.204.222] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FunDA-0001qe-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 05:16:52 -0400 Message-ID: <01a301c69901$41327280$decc9804@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 05:16:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WBBL-AM 1340 Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=UPjJjhwdNg5DdXqZgbJKuauUUIL7thSjN5CJazLZdiclOacT9R_av5H_NJ29iw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Scott Higbee wrote: >Is it possible that another 1340 am broadcasting in AMS is just strong >enough to trip the stereo indicator yet not strong enough to overtake the >frequency? I have never seen this happen before. The station is getting Co-Channel interference from another station who's crystal is 20Hz Off-frequency from WBBL. This type of falsing is pretty common. Kevin in Upstate South Carolina There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jun 26 08:19:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91186 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2006 15:07:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2006 15:07:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52201.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.124) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2006 15:07:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 3678 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jun 2006 15:07:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20060626150728.3676.qmail@web52201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.5.219.153] by web52201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 08:07:28 PDT Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 08:07:28 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <01a301c69901$41327280$decc9804@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.124 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WBBL-AM 1340 Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=jY2QEdMKI_eEObg5yDD_t8yhoa5oCE_WoOEtGWSb4lk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > The station is getting Co-Channel interference from > another station who's > crystal is 20Hz Off-frequency from WBBL. This type > of falsing is pretty > common. Actually it's the sum of the two different stations. > Kevin in Upstate South Carolina What are you doing in upstate SC? Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From beefus100@yahoo.com Mon Jun 26 12:40:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: beefus100@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83968 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2006 19:08:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2006 19:08:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2006 19:08:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2006 19:01:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2006 19:01:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:01:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.68.127.38 From: "Jack" Subject: Need back cover for Sony SRF-A1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=235489308; y=sFSXzIDwC6fYpH-7Xl_7pMBqSZjViEAzzNscdZmy1OUBRWz- X-Yahoo-Profile: beefus100 Hi,=20 I recently bought a broken SRF-A1 which I repaired. It is in great condition, except that it is missing the battery cover. Anyone out there have a=20 spare battery cover? Thanks, Jack From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 26 14:50:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8824 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2006 21:50:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2006 21:50:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.210) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2006 21:50:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 43183 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2006 21:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jim1j1oc3oy6uc) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@71.142.215.237 with login) by smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2006 21:50:30 -0000 Message-ID: <001f01c6996a$8e2ec250$d50bfea9@jim1j1oc3oy6uc> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:50:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: Pioneer SK 51 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=yR2kDk8512wOaRyznUPXJJafkyzrScyXIQPGH4nLr5p-53lvl5M5Qr3QawM4HzQ8SAOkiJIl X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Wel i got the Pioneer SK 51 portable radio. The AM sounds like crap and the FM sound good outside of the IBOC FM's And i need to find some one hoo can work on cassettes.The AM dose need to have something done to it. Did some one say that they can get a owners manual for it? Last i knew the scamatic was not with the owners manual. Thanks Jim Smith in VERY HOT Cal. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Mon Jun 26 15:41:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49795 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2006 22:41:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2006 22:41:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.162.86) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2006 22:41:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 15:41:26 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 69.68.160.192 by BAY108-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:41:21 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:41:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2006 22:41:26.0052 (UTC) FILETIME=[A84B9E40:01C69971] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.162.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: ams ftp site **New Uploads** X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=11IC4NIiUbqWwJ7Gu-DAZRBaR4wlvJqXiDqw6reP5mhI X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd no but i bet if you go to the orban support pages and email them with a polite message, they would send you a copy for the 400a :) btw: i have that complete CRL AMS chain in mint working condition running a Hamilton Rangemaster and a 100mw C-QuAM During Drive times ;) and they sound excellent!!! Thank You, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Church (ULC) http://www.ulc.org Moderator HunterdonFree From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Tue Jun 27 04:46:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41510 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2006 11:35:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2006 11:35:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.51.34) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2006 11:35:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 04:35:06 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 11:35:05 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 07:35:05 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jun 2006 11:35:06.0942 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD4D4DE0:01C699DD] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.51.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Paul Crane" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: WBBL-AM 1340 Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851; y=oBBrPyRahzVT5OBSeBRz4BYUVesEetq2kAyXphii6dHEOLPxaA8Y X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane WBBL 1340 definitely is not in stereo and, to my knowledge, never has been. I was at my camper (near Vestaburg, MI) last weekend and noted them in mono while doing a band scan. Also noted 640, 1480, and 1530 in mono, leaving the Disney repeater on 1680 the only Grand Rapids area station in stereo. Stations received in stereo were: WTCM 580 Traverse City, MI (light on, no separation) CFCO 630 Chatham, ON WLS 890 Chicago, IL WOKY 920 Milwaukee, WI WLCM 1390 Charlotte, MI (fading in/out as I'm in their null to protect 1380 in Greenville) WLCM is the only stereo station in mid-Michigan. Sister station WSNL 600 in Flint is considering turning their exciter back on. Paul Crane, KC8YQQ Jackson, MI USA Part 15 transmitters on air 24/7: AM stereo 1250, FM stereo 88.3 ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Scott Higbee" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: WBBL-AM 1340 Stereo? Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 19:28:39 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > If I'm not mistaken, TWO stations have RESUMED AM STEREO BROADCASTING in > Mid-Michigan! Check with Paul. > > Jeff Deck - were you able to get some recordings of WJR with your AMS tuner so > you can have some 'before' and 'after' 'pictures' of good and bad audio? > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > Ok, WBBL says that they are not in AMS, however this only happens at night. Stereo light comes on and there is a bit of platform motion in the signal. I cannot detect any seperation. Is it possible that another 1340 am broadcasting in AMS is just strong enough to trip the stereo indicator yet not strong enough to overtake the frequency? I have never seen this happen before. Scott Higbee Marne, Mi Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Jun 27 06:59:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39189 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2006 13:41:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2006 13:41:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.250.87) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2006 13:41:42 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 06:40:56 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 24.158.72.178 by BAY115-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:40:51 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20060626150728.3676.qmail@web52201.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 09:40:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jun 2006 13:40:56.0276 (UTC) FILETIME=[510E4140:01C699EF] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.250.87 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: WPCI & WNMB was:WBBL-AM 1340 Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=FCtDowKKx10Nl5FtPJ3Shwua4nt9I2XyXRTRDowfRVK64bJVjmpCHTP5Cbxgfg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > What are you doing in upstate SC? I am helping my Father re-build the water damaged roof on his motorhome and listening to WPCI 1490 Stereo. After the motorhome project, I just might have to sneak over to North Myrtle Beach for the official WNMB tour! Gee, I LOVE South Carolina, Think I will go pack my stuff up and move back up here! Kevin in Upstate South Carolina There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From wnmb@sc.rr.com Tue Jun 27 08:17:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89185 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2006 15:04:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2006 15:04:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2006 15:04:34 -0000 Received: from user40vik86y22 (rrcs-24-199-186-206.midsouth.biz.rr.com [24.199.186.206]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5RF4K2K024636 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 11:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001901c699fa$f532aad0$6401a8c0@user40vik86y22> To: References: <20060626150728.3676.qmail@web52201.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 11:04:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Norman Communications" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPCI & WNMB was:WBBL-AM 1340 Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=49Y9QGbJKbAtnYtcm9Uo-JsOAwM2-0CL-RUI2Q1tMvFAAA X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, Your tour guide is ready! We've continued to work on having the best AM Stereo sound possible here. We've put an AGC in our audio chain coming out of the console on the way to the STL and the Optimod. It has helped a lot. We are very proud of the sound (technical...since programming is a subjective judgement!). Come visit! bill AM STEREO 900 WNMB William Norman, Jr. WNMB: Norman Communications NMB Inc. 429 Pine Avenue North Myrtle Beach, S. C. 29582 Phone 843-249-NMB e mail: wnmb@sc.rr.com Website: www.wnmb900.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Possum Hunter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 9:40 AM Subject: {AMSF} WPCI & WNMB was:WBBL-AM 1340 Stereo? Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > What are you doing in upstate SC? I am helping my Father re-build the water damaged roof on his motorhome and listening to WPCI 1490 Stereo. After the motorhome project, I just might have to sneak over to North Myrtle Beach for the official WNMB tour! Gee, I LOVE South Carolina, Think I will go pack my stuff up and move back up here! Kevin in Upstate South Carolina There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 27 14:18:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48156 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2006 20:59:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2006 20:59:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2006 20:59:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2006 20:59:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2006 20:59:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 20:59:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.73.66.205 From: "Scott Higbee" Subject: {AMSF} Re: WBBL-AM 1340 Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=257511206; y=cIXWLn2HpxQF53d8YIjEdHj-fW1XWQPAgwv2KV2ecEVSi9xyhfnu0yIZ3o_1bcSGJ-b7FQ X-Yahoo-Profile: labonte43nc --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Crane" =20 wrote: > > WBBL 1340 definitely is not in stereo and, to my knowledge, never=20 has been.=20=20 > I was at my camper (near Vestaburg, MI) last weekend and noted=20 them in mono=20 > while doing a band scan. Also noted 640, 1480, and 1530 in mono,=20 leaving=20 > the Disney repeater on 1680 the only Grand Rapids area station in=20 stereo. >=20 > Stations received in stereo were: >=20 > WTCM 580 Traverse City, MI (light on, no separation) > CFCO 630 Chatham, ON > WLS 890 Chicago, IL > WOKY 920 Milwaukee, WI > WLCM 1390 Charlotte, MI (fading in/out as I'm in their null to=20 protect=20 > 1380 in Greenville) >=20 > WLCM is the only stereo station in mid-Michigan. Sister station=20 WSNL 600 in=20 > Flint is considering turning their exciter back on. >=20 > Paul Crane, KC8YQQ > Jackson, MI USA >=20 > Part 15 transmitters on air 24/7: > AM stereo 1250, FM stereo 88.3 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Scott Higbee" > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Re: WBBL-AM 1340 Stereo? > Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 19:28:39 -0000 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." > wrote: > > > > If I'm not mistaken, TWO stations have RESUMED AM STEREO > BROADCASTING in > > Mid-Michigan! Check with Paul. > > > > Jeff Deck - were you able to get some recordings of WJR with=20 your > AMS tuner so > > you can have some 'before' and 'after' 'pictures' of good and=20 bad > audio? > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > Ok, WBBL says that they are not in AMS, however this only happens > at night. Stereo light comes on and there is a bit of platform > motion in the signal. I cannot detect any seperation. Is it > possible that another 1340 am broadcasting in AMS is just strong > enough to trip the stereo indicator yet not strong enough to > overtake the frequency? I have never seen this happen before. >=20 > Scott Higbee > Marne, Mi >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today -=20 it's FREE!=20 > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > I can tell you that 1680 WDSS isn't the only AMS station in GR. 1480 AMS WGVU & 1530 AMS WYGR are infact in AMS. 640 for some=20 reason has turned off their exciter which had been on since late 05' From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Jun 28 17:41:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8363 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2006 00:30:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2006 00:30:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.201) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2006 00:30:51 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n10.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2006 00:30:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2006 00:30:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2006 00:30:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 00:30:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 81.7.25.211 From: "Dave" Subject: Acoustic Energy Wi-Fi Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=h4z1ACFpvKJrH3I9YDzLapPDolAH82zc54xjMtMw2sUDuB5Jaw X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan I winder if anyone on this group has brought one ? I brought one last=20 December. Streams RA, WNMA amd MP3 stations plus MP3's from your pc=20 etc via your network. Yahoo group for the radio here :- http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/wifiradio/ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 28 18:54:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22950 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2006 01:21:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2006 01:21:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.209) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2006 01:21:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 73204 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2006 01:14:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jim1j1oc3oy6uc) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@71.142.220.133 with login) by smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2006 01:14:43 -0000 Message-ID: <001c01c69b19$64f9ad90$d50bfea9@jim1j1oc3oy6uc> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: References: <001f01c6996a$8e2ec250$d50bfea9@jim1j1oc3oy6uc> <001101c69b05$857cacc0$d50bfea9@jim1j1oc3oy6uc> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:14:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: Pioneer SK 51 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=EsvI-zu9bI6yKreqh7PPSLmuF5yPyNWXGOpabF9M1dQqd8aOfHhfzBnM7TTGJLm4z2D8HGIe X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net To: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Cc: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 3:52 PM Subject: Re: Pioneer SK 51 Hi Did'nt some one say that thay have a owners manual ordering company. JS ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net To: am stereo forum Cc: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 2:50 PM Subject: Pioneer SK 51 Hi Gang Wel i got the Pioneer SK 51 portable radio. The AM sounds like crap and the FM sound good outside of the IBOC FM's And i need to find some one hoo can work on cassettes.The AM dose need to have something done to it. Did some one say that they can get a owners manual for it? Last i knew the scamatic was not with the owners manual. Thanks Jim Smith in VERY HOT Cal. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Wed Jun 28 21:03:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81783 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2006 04:03:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2006 04:03:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s41.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.241) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2006 04:03:37 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.162.82]) by bay0-omc3-s41.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:59:52 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:59:51 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.40.196.13 by BAY108-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 03:59:48 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 23:59:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2006 03:59:51.0896 (UTC) FILETIME=[79178D80:01C69B30] Return-Path: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.241 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Fw: Calling a AMS Guru X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=npJP_gXSbEHyNp150OFwRzFgcoBJrS98pK9ljbTnbm2U X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd > Need a AM Stereo Guru to explain the operation of AMS to this guy. I have > not got the time right now to explain it to him in detail :) > > http://part15.us/node/875 > > Thank You, > > Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis > Universal Life Church (ULC) > http://www.ulc.org > Moderator HunterdonFree From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Thu Jun 29 07:06:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85194 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2006 14:03:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2006 14:03:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s13.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2006 14:03:41 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.51.37]) by bay0-omc1-s13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 07:02:00 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 07:01:59 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:01:58 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:01:58 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2006 14:01:59.0278 (UTC) FILETIME=[96B090E0:01C69B84] Return-Path: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Paul Crane" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: WBBL-AM 1340 Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851; y=R2raK4OYrnaExh2HbnuNyNscNUmPXtioQ_dMbQAVXGcV5PjOlyA0 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Hi Scott - Thanks for the update. I'll be up to the camper again this weekend (extended) and give those two another try. Odd that both stations came in much stronger than WLCM and the tuner wouldn't go into stereo. Paul Crane, KC8YQQ Jackson, MI USA Part 15 transmitters on air 24/7: AM stereo 1250, FM stereo 88.3 ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Scott Higbee" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: WBBL-AM 1340 Stereo? Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 20:59:07 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Crane" wrote: > > WBBL 1340 definitely is not in stereo and, to my knowledge, never has been. > I was at my camper (near Vestaburg, MI) last weekend and noted them in mono > while doing a band scan. Also noted 640, 1480, and 1530 in mono, leaving > the Disney repeater on 1680 the only Grand Rapids area station in stereo. > > Stations received in stereo were: > > WTCM 580 Traverse City, MI (light on, no separation) > CFCO 630 Chatham, ON > WLS 890 Chicago, IL > WOKY 920 Milwaukee, WI > WLCM 1390 Charlotte, MI (fading in/out as I'm in their null to protect > 1380 in Greenville) > > WLCM is the only stereo station in mid-Michigan. Sister station WSNL 600 in > Flint is considering turning their exciter back on. > > Paul Crane, KC8YQQ > Jackson, MI USA > > Part 15 transmitters on air 24/7: > AM stereo 1250, FM stereo 88.3 > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Scott Higbee" > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Re: WBBL-AM 1340 Stereo? > Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 19:28:39 -0000 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." > wrote: > > > > If I'm not mistaken, TWO stations have RESUMED AM STEREO > BROADCASTING in > > Mid-Michigan! Check with Paul. > > > > Jeff Deck - were you able to get some recordings of WJR with your > AMS tuner so > > you can have some 'before' and 'after' 'pictures' of good and bad > audio? > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > Ok, WBBL says that they are not in AMS, however this only happens > at night. Stereo light comes on and there is a bit of platform > motion in the signal. I cannot detect any seperation. Is it > possible that another 1340 am broadcasting in AMS is just strong > enough to trip the stereo indicator yet not strong enough to > overtake the frequency? I have never seen this happen before. > > Scott Higbee > Marne, Mi > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > I can tell you that 1680 WDSS isn't the only AMS station in GR. 1480 AMS WGVU & 1530 AMS WYGR are infact in AMS. 640 for some reason has turned off their exciter which had been on since late 05' Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From norbert_1226@msn.com Thu Jun 29 07:57:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: norbert_1226@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1479 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2006 14:49:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2006 14:49:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2006 14:49:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2006 14:48:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2006 14:48:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:48:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001c01c69b19$64f9ad90$d50bfea9@jim1j1oc3oy6uc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.222.38.122 From: "starship20012001" Subject: Re: Pioneer SK 51 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=273767829; y=r7kOPqJtkyJ0EQeR7ryLkG9lyDN0MsIL0A68b-AoeqyGOwikgKeekPzD5g X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 --- In=20 amstereoforum@yahoogroups.c om, =20 wrote: > >=20 > ----- Original=20 Message -----=20 > From:=20 jimsmith95663@...=20 > To: jimsmith95663@...=20 > Cc: jimsmith95663@...=20 > Sent: Wednesday, June=20 28, 2006 3:52 PM > Subject: Re: Pioneer=20 SK 51 >=20 >=20 > Hi Did'nt some one=20 say that thay have a=20 owners manual ordering=20 company. JS > ----- Original=20 Message -----=20 > From:=20 jimsmith95663@...=20 > To: am stereo forum=20 > Cc:=20 jimsmith95663@...=20 > Sent: Monday, June=20 26, 2006 2:50 PM > Subject: Pioneer SK=20 51 >=20 >=20 > Hi Gang Wel i got=20 the Pioneer SK 51 portable=20 radio. The AM sounds like=20 crap and the FM sound good=20 outside of the IBOC FM's=20 And i need to find some=20 one hoo can work on=20 cassettes.The AM dose need=20 to have something done to=20 it. Did some one say that=20 they can get a owners=20 manual for it? Last i knew=20 the scamatic was not with=20 the owners manual. Thanks=20 Jim Smith in VERY HOT Cal. >=20 > [Non-text portions of=20 this message have been=20 removed] > I beleive this was=20 manufactored in the 80's=20 between '80 and '85. As=20 far as the cassette goes=20 it more then likely needs=20 belts. i used to be able=20 to obtain these locally=20 nowadays the supplier=20 stopped carrying the older=20 cassette belts for older=20 models. These older=20 cassette decks usally took=20 a flat belt (or 2 or 3).=20=20 These belts can stretch=20 over time and start=20 slipping or completly fall=20 off the pully or even melt=20 onto the pullys completly=20 freezing the cassete deck.=20 Not knowing the condition=20 of the pinch roller theres=20 a possibilty that may also=20 need refurbishing or=20 replacement as well.=20 From bd6xray@lycos.com Thu Jun 29 20:18:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bd6xray@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25785 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 03:06:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2006 03:06:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.185) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 03:06:03 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2006 03:05:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2006 03:05:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2006 03:05:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 03:05:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.131.15.115 From: "bd6xray" Subject: Another loss X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83174981; y=RbPOVwwYq5mXOwkUta7a5ThNWIHBGir3BCAdJemHHgxZfg X-Yahoo-Profile: bd6xray "The Mighty 92", "AM Stereo 920 WOKY" Milwaukee has dropped AM Stereo and turned on the IBOC Tuesday. Al Hajny From labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 29 20:22:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83800 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 03:22:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2006 03:22:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.85) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 03:22:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2006 03:21:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2006 03:21:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 03:21:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.74.166.211 From: "Scott Higbee" Subject: Re: Another loss X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=257511206; y=O7qpde-CawFVuYLaiLrLJkY5FPhyW00yRx6NcZuDOVY0hJYzIax6VKWrtyKy9wK4OqO_kg X-Yahoo-Profile: labonte43nc --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bd6xray" wrote: > > "The Mighty 92", "AM Stereo 920 WOKY" Milwaukee has dropped AM Stereo > and turned on the IBOC Tuesday. >=20 I was afraid of that. I noticed that it was in mono on tuesday, but=20 thought it had something to do with the thunderstorms going thru=20 Milwalkee at the time. Scott Higbee Marne, Mi From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Jun 30 06:31:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+qNxh+9+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23682 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 13:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2006 13:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 13:19:59 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.76]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 94399480 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:19:46 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c69c48$6a5b8940$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <001f01c6996a$8e2ec250$d50bfea9@jim1j1oc3oy6uc> <001101c69b05$857cacc0$d50bfea9@jim1j1oc3oy6uc> <001c01c69b19$64f9ad90$d50bfea9@jim1j1oc3oy6uc> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:23:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.211.76 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Pioneer SK 51 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=ak0b6GaJgZsCwA_cvIs66lPUs6F_NOUUcBrxVCNrDbhIzVDe5l0E X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Right here- www.servicemanuals.net They didn't have that one listed, but if you go to the website and ask, they may have some info for it which is either not listed, or maybe they have a similar enough model which does appear. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: > Hi Did'nt some one say that thay have a owners manual ordering company. JS From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Jun 30 06:38:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+qNxh+9+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19369 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 13:38:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2006 13:38:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 13:38:40 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.76]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 94656983 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:33:00 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <007c01c69c4a$436d7e40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:36:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 6, in=11, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.76 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WBBL-AM 1340 Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=2XLcmkFXJF617Z82EpYM6erd28Q9JblibgYwNT4RW2Xy7ezsHidE X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude This can't be stressed enough- please call them and let them know you've noticed if you haven't already done so. Thank the ones who've turned it back on or are keeping it on, and let the ones who turn it off know you noticed it was gone. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Higbee" > I can tell you that 1680 WDSS isn't the only AMS station in GR. > > 1480 AMS WGVU & 1530 AMS WYGR are infact in AMS. 640 for some > reason has turned off their exciter which had been on since late 05' From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Jun 30 06:41:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+qNxh+9+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74959 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 13:41:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2006 13:41:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 13:41:05 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.76]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 91744632 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:40:52 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a501c69c4b$5d33e480$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:44:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 2, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.76 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another loss X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=A933vaqXR6_qpvVY8F8eZsZDyx0ApOE_F8bErT6TT8nAsT8iV6yt X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'm disappointed but being they're owned by CC, I'm not surprised it happened. I do know their engineer is an AM stereo fan, so perhaps he could do what WLS is doing and run the stereo at night? All we can do is ask. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "bd6xray" > "The Mighty 92", "AM Stereo 920 WOKY" Milwaukee has dropped AM Stereo > and turned on the IBOC Tuesday. > > Al Hajny From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Jun 30 07:05:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+qNxh+9+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16766 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 13:53:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2006 13:53:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 13:53:51 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.76]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 91748168 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:53:25 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bf01c69c4d$1d5bad00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:57:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 2, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.76 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another loss X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=BtBlRWOKNrDBo3j0jWCMlwl0Bcxbpe6wzUepXXHTN1i_G94nEs9F X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude email Kent Winrich about having WOKY in AMS at night ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "bd6xray" To: Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 10:05 PM Subject: {AMSF} Another loss > "The Mighty 92", "AM Stereo 920 WOKY" Milwaukee has dropped AM Stereo > and turned on the IBOC Tuesday. > > Al Hajny > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Jun 30 08:49:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+qNxh+9+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52417 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 15:39:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2006 15:39:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 15:39:35 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.76]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 93901021 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:31:18 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00cb01c69c52$688473c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <00bf01c69c4d$1d5bad00$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:35:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.211.76 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another loss X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=6iNc-1IrJ1HKEUVJl1o41M6szONF50Js10BPuGA-d9_d0pUpWr5O X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude oops- was supposed to email that to my work account. A case of the C-nile virus? Don't have KW's address on the home 'puter. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:57 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another loss > email Kent Winrich about having WOKY in AMS at night > > ST > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bd6xray" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 10:05 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Another loss > > > > "The Mighty 92", "AM Stereo 920 WOKY" Milwaukee has dropped AM Stereo > > and turned on the IBOC Tuesday. > > > > Al Hajny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jun 30 10:55:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25704 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 17:41:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2006 17:41:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52213.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.136) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 17:41:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 86037 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jun 2006 17:41:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20060630174107.86035.qmail@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.118] by web52213.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:41:07 PDT Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:41:07 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00bf01c69c4d$1d5bad00$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another loss X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Mhm0YbK1IzOzQKjyGh4vYMBiCgKt0ra_epvUWWtLF48 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Scott Todd wrote: > email Kent Winrich about having WOKY in AMS at night > ST Scott, He had mentioned doing that if possible. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Jul 01 19:50:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+DFlz+11+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16026 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2006 02:50:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2006 02:50:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2006 02:50:51 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.41]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 92140156 for ; Sat, 01 Jul 2006 21:50:49 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c69d82$e2d5a780$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <001f01c6996a$8e2ec250$d50bfea9@jim1j1oc3oy6uc> <001101c69b05$857cacc0$d50bfea9@jim1j1oc3oy6uc> <001c01c69b19$64f9ad90$d50bfea9@jim1j1oc3oy6uc> Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 21:54:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 2, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.41 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Pioneer SK 51 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=KdZnB73cWG8Jw3BKt1NnUFGQZqCM0O3fP2nDjjNS6ypi31akIjCC X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I did have another idea- check ebay. I see manuals for all kinds of stuff there all the time. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: > Hi Did'nt some one say that thay have a owners manual ordering company. JS From wa2fnq@optonline.net Sun Jul 02 08:39:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13498 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2006 15:27:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2006 15:27:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.85) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2006 15:27:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2006 15:26:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2006 15:26:22 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 15:26:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: Acoustic Energy Wi-Fi Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=uS54wKzMik0AmE2PHHZ221LS2lqqC9d4GwBwvraPY3f0 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq I bought a Roku Soundbridge and I love it. I it doesn't have as many=20 pre-sets as the AE but it lets you program them yourself. Here's another one: http://www.torian.com.au/ There are reviews of these radios on the Radio Insight board at(and I=20 hope this link works): http://radioinsight.com/boards/index.php? t=3Dthread&frm_id=3D133&S=3D7a3ab82f742fa385d40f793380612f09 Internet Radio is a good form of entertainment and these are cool=20 products. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > > I winder if anyone on this group has brought one ? I brought one=20 last=20 > December. Streams RA, WNMA amd MP3 stations plus MP3's from your pc=20 > etc via your network. Yahoo group for the radio here :- >=20 > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/wifiradio/ > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 05 20:27:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72667 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2006 03:07:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2006 03:07:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.211) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2006 03:07:17 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2006 03:06:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2006 03:06:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2006 03:06:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 03:06:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.225.179 From: "Kevin T." Subject: OT: *stereo* microcassettes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=VylfwKyThbW6l5eLD5jR1Fj1DnSO6yIdAO8gULhjFbOiXbZkLw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Ever hear of a STEREO microcassette? I just found out that such a=20 thing actually did exist in the early '80s, but as you might imagine=20 the quality was rather poor. And pre-recorded microcassettes --=20 either mono or stereo -- did not exist, so the novelty was limited to=20 your own personal recordings. Some stereo microcassette recorders=20 even supported "metal"-grade tape, but again, "metal" microcassettes=20 were very rare. From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jul 05 22:09:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85562 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2006 05:05:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2006 05:05:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2006 05:05:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2006 05:04:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2006 05:04:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 05:04:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.37.130 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: OT: *stereo* microcassettes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=7y2S_p3fGNv3rVzzc_MAvqapRmImlYMlP4IIQkhhrHyCFo91 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Ever hear of a STEREO microcassette? I just found out that such a=20 > thing actually did exist in the early '80s, but as you might imagine=20 > the quality was rather poor. And pre-recorded microcassettes --=20 > either mono or stereo -- did not exist, so the novelty was limited to=20 > your own personal recordings. Some stereo microcassette recorders=20 > even supported "metal"-grade tape, but again, "metal" microcassettes=20 > were very rare. As far as I know, this was only tried in Europe, and also as far as I=20 know, only one label DID put out prerecorded stereo MCs- Deutsche=20 Grammaphon. One period movie (not sure if it was a Terry Gilliam-produced movie)=20 did in fact show a DG microcassette in use. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From norbert_1226@msn.com Thu Jul 06 05:21:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: norbert_1226@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84171 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2006 12:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2006 12:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s4.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.76) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2006 12:11:28 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.9.15]) by bay0-omc1-s4.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 6 Jul 2006 05:09:26 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 05:09:26 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.4 by BAY119-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 12:09:22 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [norbert_1226@msn.com] X-Sender: norbert_1226@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 12:09:22 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2006 12:09:26.0811 (UTC) FILETIME=[06CC1EB0:01C6A0F5] Return-Path: norbert_1226@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.76 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Norbert Here" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: *stereo* microcassettes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=273767829; y=ZRZsKe2bkb7_WZaUjlSrYYnWP3c7Yp9EMIoUQeipdSS4zO8tTU3dFxWJOw X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes i have heard of them. They are rare as they never really caught on however i have seen a few of them. -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2006 11:06 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} OT: *stereo* microcassettes Ever hear of a STEREO microcassette? I just found out that such a thing actually did exist in the early '80s, but as you might imagine the quality was rather poor. And pre-recorded microcassettes -- either mono or stereo -- did not exist, so the novelty was limited to your own personal recordings. Some stereo microcassette recorders even supported "metal"-grade tape, but again, "metal" microcassettes were very rare. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From badeditpro@charter.net Thu Jul 06 15:58:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68279 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2006 22:57:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2006 22:57:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf02.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.202) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2006 22:57:25 -0000 Received: from mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.143]) by mxsf02.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k66Mv4KV015245 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 18:57:05 -0400 Received: from 24-241-14-072.dhcp.rnrp.nc.charter.com (HELO yourfd6nvjcer4) ([24.241.14.72]) by mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 06 Jul 2006 18:57:04 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,214,1149480000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="586438310:sNHT57303704" Message-ID: <001801c6a14f$8019ca60$480ef118@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 18:57:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.28.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: Re: STEREO MICROCASSETTE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=0lbt3QDk4mzjLg5b0E_e6Nl_UCbxXGSVbJlKjBy12sGjgvWSelBBUNafbYRr X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I remember seeing an article about stereo microcassette decks in Popular Mechanics in late '82 or early '83.... That was the only place I ever saw anything about them other than the one in "A Clockwork Orange" that the main character had in his room in one of the scenes. They were introduced right about the same time that CD players became available. Incidentally, I have noticed an increase in the number of medium to high end cassette decks available on line. They even have one that goes into a drive bay in your PC... If anyone has one of these things, I'd love some feedback on how they really perform. I have LOTS of cassettes I'd like to transfer to MP# files and CD. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Thu Jul 06 21:47:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66350 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2006 04:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2006 04:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.204) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2006 04:47:35 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n13.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2006 04:47:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2006 04:47:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2006 04:47:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 04:47:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 4.232.174.118 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Buy your own station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=QYywmOJYi9Ly5GSVrEqe2YKgH-NIwSK5fx82YPFA2lQkp68PlRfE8A X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 Well, it seems as if fewer and fewer AM stations are taking up the challeng= e to go AMS. Maybe we all need to pool our money and buy a station. There's one in the = California Inland=20 Empire for sale. It's KEZY. They're asking 3.6M for it but the sale inclu= des over 4 acres of=20 land. I believe the station and TX site are together, or could be. It's a= 1 Kw, one stick=20 unlimited and is situated=20 between the cities of Riverside and San Bernadino, both very large markets.= The format is=20 currently Christian and, therefore, not making any money but the potential = is there.=20 Install a Delta C-Quam exciter/monitor, a hot processor and a hot format an= d we're there. :) db From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Jul 06 22:34:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57088 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2006 05:23:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2006 05:23:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao08.cox.net) (68.230.241.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2006 05:23:42 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060707052225.NUFW27857.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@[192.168.0.2]> for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 01:22:25 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <003F5694-0801-41F1-883E-3784EFC28B1C@cox.net> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 22:22:25 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Buy your own station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=iO5dY0pVFrdIrnaZGBg5mG2DF06oYLeum7_4SLJz8D6QoOvD7PFV77ahHWTY X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What classic calls from when it was 1190 KEZY/Anaheim. The station's address was the same as its frequency: 1190 E. Ball Road. On Jul 6, 2006, at 9:47 PM, dbdigital2004 wrote: > Well, it seems as if fewer and fewer AM stations are taking up the > challenge to go AMS. > > Maybe we all need to pool our money and buy a station. There's one > in the California Inland > Empire for sale. It's KEZY. They're asking 3.6M for it but the sale > includes over 4 acres of > land. I believe the station and TX site are together, or could be. > It's a 1 Kw, one stick > unlimited and is situated > between the cities of Riverside and San Bernadino, both very large > markets. The format is > currently Christian and, therefore, not making any money but the > potential is there. > > Install a Delta C-Quam exciter/monitor, a hot processor and a hot > format and we're there. :) > > db > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Thu Jul 06 23:14:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97373 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2006 06:14:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2006 06:14:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80410.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.65) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2006 06:14:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 41495 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jul 2006 06:14:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20060707061420.41493.qmail@web80410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.230.63.163] by web80410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 23:14:20 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 23:14:20 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Buy your own station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=aSxOUMLnxRuiv1quuoXWUAcCAFoNZcDmm1YFiNlkpkjI2c5xwg X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable KEZY is making money. Most Christina stations do, whether they be teaching = stations or play Christian music. =20=20=20 Reiverside is not a market. San Bernardino is not a market. The Inland Em= pire is a market, and it consists of fontana, Riverside, San Bernardino, Re= dlands, Rialto, Moreno Valley, Hemet, San Jacinto and a bunch of other inco= rporated areas.=20 =20=20=20 The KEZY signa=F1l is not big enough to cover the market, so that is why = it is for sale. It is not viable except as a niche staitn, progbably religi= ous or Asian-targeted ethnic. Again, it has not enough signal to cover the = market, whcih is geographically huge.=20 =20=20=20 There are no "hot" formats for 1 kw high band AMs in large metros. There = are only niche formats, most of them spoken word or ethnic.=20 dbdigital2004 wrote: Well, it seems as if fewer and fewer AM stations are taking up th= e challenge to go AMS. Maybe we all need to pool our money and buy a station. There's one in the C= alifornia Inland=20 Empire for sale. It's KEZY. They're asking 3.6M for it but the sale include= s over 4 acres of=20 land. I believe the station and TX site are together, or could be. It's a 1= Kw, one stick=20 unlimited and is situated=20 between the cities of Riverside and San Bernadino, both very large markets.= The format is=20 currently Christian and, therefore, not making any money but the potential = is there.=20 Install a Delta C-Quam exciter/monitor, a hot processor and a hot format an= d we're there. :) db =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Fri Jul 07 11:30:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20669 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2006 18:30:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2006 18:30:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.138) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2006 18:30:38 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.162.15]) by bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 7 Jul 2006 11:29:13 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 11:29:13 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.162.200 by by108fd.bay108.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:29:11 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 14:29:11 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2006 18:29:13.0390 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F11E4E0:01C6A1F3] Return-Path: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "FO SCRU" Subject: Delta ASM-1 Coming Available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=L1JZjlXdoGo1XK4zz9qpDttGq-8pwMbWtjLVG8ffdSTC X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I have a Delta ASM-1 AM Stereo Monitor Coming up for availability. Price will be $600.00 + Shipping. These are coming out of active service at another station. they are not running am stereo so i offered my Belar AMM-1 and RFA-2 in trade for it and the engineer took the deal. I've seen it and it's in good condition :) Please email kc8gpd@hotmail.com if interested. I should have it in a couple of weeks and can take pic's then. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Jul 07 16:25:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+b2D6+16+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75281 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2006 23:12:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2006 23:12:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2006 23:12:23 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.134]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 97468447 for ; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:12:17 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c6a21b$639eb540$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060707061420.41493.qmail@web80410.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:16:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=4, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.134 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Buy your own station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=pZplHBsAuZDc9bBxCCYreuPoG8ElqNodL9TK21GtbckylCMCfQNM X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I would tend to believe this analysis. Some stations will make money with a Christian or ethnic format when they can't make it with any other. But your basic idea is a good one, db. Keep looking and you may find a diamond in the rough yet. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Gleason" KEZY is making money. Most Christina stations do, whether they be teaching stations or play Christian music. Reiverside is not a market. San Bernardino is not a market. The Inland Empire is a market, and it consists of fontana, Riverside, San Bernardino, Redlands, Rialto, Moreno Valley, Hemet, San Jacinto and a bunch of other incorporated areas. The KEZY signañl is not big enough to cover the market, so that is why it is for sale. It is not viable except as a niche staitn, progbably religious or Asian-targeted ethnic. Again, it has not enough signal to cover the market, whcih is geographically huge. There are no "hot" formats for 1 kw high band AMs in large metros. There are only niche formats, most of them spoken word or ethnic. From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Fri Jul 07 18:32:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11272 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2006 01:26:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2006 01:26:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2006 01:26:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2006 01:26:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2006 01:26:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 01:25:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060707061420.41493.qmail@web80410.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 4.232.171.194 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: Buy your own station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=q3jzwO2mUnlbV7m63wAyCnKCYGwOTnQhcI8Nh1Z9fKykNzdTDm4QdA X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 Sadly, this is not the venerable KEZY of yore. This station's dial positio= n is 1240. As for Mr. Gleason: don't get your boxers in a bunch. I simply paraphrased= what the=20 broker stated; stick plus market, no cash flow. This tells me that the sta= tion is keeping=20 the lights on with its current format but no more.=20=20 If Radio-Locator's coverage map is to be believed KEZY's signal extends int= o Hesperia, the=20 Southeast portion of Los Angeles County and as far south as Hemet. Not bad= for a 1 Kw=20 ND. db --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, David Gleason wrote: > > KEZY is making money. Most Christina stations do, whether they be teachin= g stations or=20 play Christian music. >=20=20=20=20 > Reiverside is not a market. San Bernardino is not a market. The Inland = Empire is a=20 market, and it consists of fontana, Riverside, San Bernardino, Redlands, Ri= alto, Moreno=20 Valley, Hemet, San Jacinto and a bunch of other incorporated areas.=20 >=20=20=20=20 > The KEZY signa=F1l is not big enough to cover the market, so that is wh= y it is for sale. It=20 is not viable except as a niche staitn, progbably religious or Asian-target= ed ethnic. Again,=20 it has not enough signal to cover the market, whcih is geographically huge.= =20 >=20=20=20=20 > There are no "hot" formats for 1 kw high band AMs in large metros. Ther= e are only=20 niche formats, most of them spoken word or ethnic.=20 >=20 > dbdigital2004 wrote: > Well, it seems as if fewer and fewer AM stations are taking up = the challenge to go=20 AMS. >=20 > Maybe we all need to pool our money and buy a station. There's one in the= California=20 Inland=20 > Empire for sale. It's KEZY. They're asking 3.6M for it but the sale inclu= des over 4 acres of=20 > land. I believe the station and TX site are together, or could be. It's a= 1 Kw, one stick=20 > unlimited and is situated=20 > between the cities of Riverside and San Bernadino, both very large market= s. The format=20 is=20 > currently Christian and, therefore, not making any money but the potentia= l is there.=20 >=20 > Install a Delta C-Quam exciter/monitor, a hot processor and a hot format = and we're=20 there. :) >=20 > db >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From amdavid@pacbell.net Fri Jul 07 20:50:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86751 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2006 03:48:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2006 03:48:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80403.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.58) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2006 03:48:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 47315 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jul 2006 03:48:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20060708034857.47313.qmail@web80403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.215.37.166] by web80403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 20:48:57 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 20:48:57 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Buy your own station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=_RoKvUDUs2HvPoazYpca0klUmVUlGkqoXS4dpsazgcfdhTb10Q X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The innermost red contour of radio-locator is the only one that comes close to showing the useful coverage of an AM. The effective coverage area, where ratings are generated, if any, is sligtly inside that red curve. 1240 is not listenable daytime in 60% of the Inland Empire market, and is not listenable in nearly 80% of the area at night. In other words, a useless signal for a general market format. My information shows taht Hi Favor, which operates 1240 together with 1390 in LA and 1130 in LA is making money on the combination of the stations, but may have a deal to move KEZY to a better AM in the market, which explains why they would sell it as a stick... no billing, no format. dbdigital2004 wrote: Sadly, this is not the venerable KEZY of yore. This station's dial position is 1240. As for Mr. Gleason: don't get your boxers in a bunch. I simply paraphrased what the broker stated; stick plus market, no cash flow. This tells me that the station is keeping the lights on with its current format but no more. If Radio-Locator's coverage map is to be believed KEZY's signal extends into Hesperia, the Southeast portion of Los Angeles County and as far south as Hemet. Not bad for a 1 Kw ND. db New Message Search Find the message you want faster. Visit your group to try out the improved message search. Share feedback on the new changes to Groups Visit Your Group . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From smalld@earthlink.net Sat Jul 08 18:52:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: smalld@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77533 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2006 01:52:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2006 01:52:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.148) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2006 01:52:17 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n5.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2006 01:52:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2006 01:52:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2006 01:52:14 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 01:52:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.82.9.82 From: "lowercase_d" Subject: The Inland Empire X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=254389545; y=d8oRRJZlCI3Y9rx9buI7h1VXA0asgcRUcZXnegd1-LP7i3WfC7s X-Yahoo-Profile: lowercase_d I'm a lurker who likes to sit back and read what you guys have to say, but = you've finally hit=20 upon a subject that I really know something about -- radio and the Inland E= mpire. I grew=20 up in the Inland Empire. Dabbled in radio there. Still have investments t= here.=20=20 First of all, let's not be confused about the KEZY call letters. KEZY was = a very successful=20 station in Orange County, the market next door to the Inland Empire, in the= 60s and 70s.=20=20 This is not the same station. As I recall, 1240 in San Bernardino had a lo= ng history as=20 KBON, a MOR station. Lord only knows what it's chain of ownership and form= ats has been=20 over the last twenty years. Let's clear up the confusion about the actual definition of "The Inland Emp= ire." Generally,=20 the term is used to define the area comprising San Bernardino and Riverside= Counties.=20=20 Geographically, they are two of the largest counties in the country. In fa= ct, San Bernardino=20 is the largest county is so large that the five smallest states could all f= it within its borders.=20=20 Riverside is pretty damned huge, too. And that's where the problem sets in. They are so huge that they really ar= en't one market.=20=20 Large portions of both counties lie so far from the central core that they = are served by=20 completely different radio and TV stations and even have their own daily ne= wspapers. That being said, these are two of the fastest growing counties in the natio= n. They are=20 literally exploding. There's lots of land, it's cheap compared to LA and O= range Counties,=20 and people are moving in by the thousands every month. A list of the faste= st growing=20 cities in the United States will turn up a bunch of cities located in The I= nland Empire. The=20 current population: Riverside County 1,782,650 San Bernardino County 1,859,678 Total Inland Empire Population =3D 3,642,328 Is the market large enough to make a profit with KEZY? I would think so. = Even if you=20 eliminate the population that lies "outside the red line," there's a huge p= opulation at the=20 core of the Inland Empire. Here is a list of the cities that fall within "= the red line." Riverside 283,000 San Bernardino 194,000 Fontana 158,000 Rialto 92,000 Colton 48,000 Redlands 64,000 Moreno Valley 142,000 Highland 45,000 Grand Terrace 13,000 Loma Linda 21,000 Core Population =3D 1,060,000 In addition, I would guess that several hundred thousand other people live = in=20 unincorporated areas within The Red Line. Finally, there are other cities that lie just outside the red line. A few = of them are: Corona 125,000 Ontario 158,000 Norco 24,000 Perris 71,000 Total =3D 378,000 So as you can see, there may be 1,500,000 or more potential listeners who f= all within the=20 Red Line or just outside it. But for sure, there are more than 1,000,000 w= ithin the line. The Inland Empire is basically a media wasteland. The highest rated radio = station is KFI,=20 which broadcasts from Los Angeles, 60 miles away. Several other LA radio s= tations also=20 do very well in the Inland Empire. There are no TV stations in the Inland = Empire. Its=20 "local" TV all originates in Los Angeles. The newspaper business is totall= y fragmented=20 because both Riverside and San Bernardino (which sit less than ten miles ap= art) have=20 successful daily newspapers. For generations, they have each been content = to own their=20 own part of the market and not compete in the other's territory. Other dai= ly newspapers=20 serve outlying areas of the market. There has been just one spectacularly successful radio station in the histo= ry of the Inland=20 Empire. KMEN, which was also a 1000 watt station located at 1290 AM. But = that was way=20 back in the 60s and 70s, before the rise of FM. But I guess it proves that= a weak signal=20 high on the dial needn't eliminate any chance at success. So my analysis would be that there's a huge potential for some niche format= . Considering=20 the demos of the market, I would think Spanish language would be the way to= go, because=20 half the population seems to be illegal aliens. Two Other Issues:=20 Number One: where is the real estate that comes with the station? If the = real estate has=20 any value, you may be able to move the stick and develop the land it used t= o sit on. Number Two: Can you move the stick and increase the power? I know of one = brilliant=20 entrepreneur who bought another station in an area just outside the Inland = Empire a=20 couple years ago, talked the FCC into letting him move the stick to an area= that allowed=20 the station's signal to cover a far larger area of the market AND increase = the power. Voila!=20=20 He turned a minor investment into a bloody fortune. Number Three: Thousands of people may be rushing info the area, but the de= mos suck.=20=20 Below average income. Below average education. Above average crime. It's= a mecca for=20 illegal aliens. The local government is corrupt. Within the last couple y= ears, San=20 Bernardino has had the highest murder rate in the country. The county is k= nown as the=20 methamphetamine capital of America. The heat is god awful in the summer. = So is the=20 smog. Traffic congestion is horrible.=20=20 So buy the station. Grind them on the price. Beg the FCC for some help. = Put on some=20 cheap programming and hire a damn good sales manager. Make yourself a fort= une.=20=20 Easy, huh? Good luck. From tomray@wor710.com Sat Jul 08 19:03:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8511 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2006 02:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2006 02:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.211) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2006 02:03:19 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2006 02:03:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2006 02:03:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2006 02:03:19 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 02:03:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: WOR Transmitter Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=VKitvLA0MAosc13t6wjBESdWD1bUI7UBVWGScOduVX0pOMqN X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray We've been spending time making adjustments to the new transmitter=20 facility DA so we can start the proof. If you'd like a peek, we're=20 presently the featured site at http://www.fybush.com. That URL will=20 change next week.....I'll update it when it does. Tom Ray WOR From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Sat Jul 08 20:23:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85869 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2006 03:23:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2006 03:23:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.197) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2006 03:23:27 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n6.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2006 03:23:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2006 03:23:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2006 03:23:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 03:23:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 4.232.174.239 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: The Inland Empire X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=6T3ibPAdEbRM4gMpskpHwxPjjjWe3NvdZWGiocMw6op7B-IbcUwg1A X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 Thanks, lower_d for your definition and analysis of the Inland Empire. I kn= ow the area is=20 rapidly growing. All you have to do is drive down the 91 fwy through the A= naheim Hills=20 and see row after row of new home construction to realize that. The land KEZY is on is zoned residential so the tower and ground radials co= uld be=20 removed and the land developed with new homes (or maybe near the tower. Th= ere are all=20 kinds of new homes being built around Signal Hill's transmitter farm). The= 4+ acres of=20 land is valued at 1.5M, which I think is an accurate figure. What you say about the heat and crime is all too true. Although, in the sp= ring, the Inland=20 Empire can be beautiful.=20 I don't think the station is worth much more than a million so, with the la= nd, we're looking=20 at 2.5M. They're asking 3.6M. db --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "lowercase_d" wrote: > > I'm a lurker who likes to sit back and read what you guys have to say, bu= t you've finally=20 hit=20 > upon a subject that I really know something about -- radio and the Inland= Empire. I=20 grew=20 > up in the Inland Empire. Dabbled in radio there. Still have investments= there.=20=20 >=20 > First of all, let's not be confused about the KEZY call letters. KEZY wa= s a very successful=20 > station in Orange County, the market next door to the Inland Empire, in t= he 60s and=20 70s.=20=20 > This is not the same station. As I recall, 1240 in San Bernardino had a = long history as=20 > KBON, a MOR station. Lord only knows what it's chain of ownership and fo= rmats has=20 been=20 > over the last twenty years. >=20 > Let's clear up the confusion about the actual definition of "The Inland E= mpire."=20=20 Generally,=20 > the term is used to define the area comprising San Bernardino and Riversi= de Counties.=20=20 > Geographically, they are two of the largest counties in the country. In = fact, San=20 Bernardino=20 > is the largest county is so large that the five smallest states could all= fit within its=20 borders.=20=20 > Riverside is pretty damned huge, too. >=20 > And that's where the problem sets in. They are so huge that they really = aren't one=20 market.=20=20 > Large portions of both counties lie so far from the central core that the= y are served by=20 > completely different radio and TV stations and even have their own daily = newspapers. >=20 > That being said, these are two of the fastest growing counties in the nat= ion. They are=20 > literally exploding. There's lots of land, it's cheap compared to LA and= Orange Counties,=20 > and people are moving in by the thousands every month. A list of the fas= test growing=20 > cities in the United States will turn up a bunch of cities located in The= Inland Empire.=20=20 The=20 > current population: >=20 > Riverside County 1,782,650 > San Bernardino County 1,859,678 > Total Inland Empire Population =3D 3,642,328 >=20 > Is the market large enough to make a profit with KEZY? I would think so.= Even if you=20 > eliminate the population that lies "outside the red line," there's a huge= population at the=20 > core of the Inland Empire. Here is a list of the cities that fall within= "the red line." >=20 > Riverside 283,000 > San Bernardino 194,000 > Fontana 158,000 > Rialto 92,000 > Colton 48,000 > Redlands 64,000 > Moreno Valley 142,000 > Highland 45,000 > Grand Terrace 13,000 > Loma Linda 21,000 > Core Population =3D 1,060,000 >=20 > In addition, I would guess that several hundred thousand other people liv= e in=20 > unincorporated areas within The Red Line. >=20 > Finally, there are other cities that lie just outside the red line. A fe= w of them are: >=20 > Corona 125,000 > Ontario 158,000 > Norco 24,000 > Perris 71,000 > Total =3D 378,000 >=20 > So as you can see, there may be 1,500,000 or more potential listeners who= fall within=20 the=20 > Red Line or just outside it. But for sure, there are more than 1,000,000= within the line. >=20 > The Inland Empire is basically a media wasteland. The highest rated radi= o station is KFI,=20 > which broadcasts from Los Angeles, 60 miles away. Several other LA radio= stations also=20 > do very well in the Inland Empire. There are no TV stations in the Inlan= d Empire. Its=20 > "local" TV all originates in Los Angeles. The newspaper business is tota= lly fragmented=20 > because both Riverside and San Bernardino (which sit less than ten miles = apart) have=20 > successful daily newspapers. For generations, they have each been conten= t to own their=20 > own part of the market and not compete in the other's territory. Other d= aily newspapers=20 > serve outlying areas of the market. >=20 > There has been just one spectacularly successful radio station in the his= tory of the=20 Inland=20 > Empire. KMEN, which was also a 1000 watt station located at 1290 AM. Bu= t that was=20 way=20 > back in the 60s and 70s, before the rise of FM. But I guess it proves th= at a weak signal=20 > high on the dial needn't eliminate any chance at success. >=20 > So my analysis would be that there's a huge potential for some niche form= at.=20=20 Considering=20 > the demos of the market, I would think Spanish language would be the way = to go,=20 because=20 > half the population seems to be illegal aliens. >=20 > Two Other Issues:=20 >=20 > Number One: where is the real estate that comes with the station? If th= e real estate has=20 > any value, you may be able to move the stick and develop the land it used= to sit on. >=20 > Number Two: Can you move the stick and increase the power? I know of on= e brilliant=20 > entrepreneur who bought another station in an area just outside the Inlan= d Empire a=20 > couple years ago, talked the FCC into letting him move the stick to an ar= ea that allowed=20 > the station's signal to cover a far larger area of the market AND increas= e the power.=20=20 Voila!=20=20 > He turned a minor investment into a bloody fortune. >=20 > Number Three: Thousands of people may be rushing info the area, but the = demos suck.=20=20 > Below average income. Below average education. Above average crime. It= 's a mecca for=20 > illegal aliens. The local government is corrupt. Within the last couple= years, San=20 > Bernardino has had the highest murder rate in the country. The county is= known as the=20 > methamphetamine capital of America. The heat is god awful in the summer.= So is the=20 > smog. Traffic congestion is horrible.=20=20 >=20 > So buy the station. Grind them on the price. Beg the FCC for some help.= Put on some=20 > cheap programming and hire a damn good sales manager. Make yourself a fo= rtune.=20=20 >=20 > Easy, huh? >=20 > Good luck. > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jul 08 22:24:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28804 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2006 05:20:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2006 05:20:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.156) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2006 05:20:23 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n13.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2006 05:20:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2006 05:20:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2006 05:20:19 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 05:20:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.210.212 From: "Kevin T." Subject: AM Stereo car radio with remote control X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=OyxftR5FZ372-lEKg0Ox_gL5bDuWN4DpVtz-nZIzofMlue4QdA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I've known about this radio for years, but until now I never knew it=20 was available with a remote control, too: http://tinyurl.com/n8maq This radio with available as a dealer-installed option on every late=20 '80s Volkswagen in Canada, and was standard on some of the high-end=20 models like the Jetta Carat. However, for some reason it was never=20 offered in the USA. It was also featured on Audi cars during this era. In fact it came=20 with interchangable VW and Audi faceplate logos, and its lighting=20 could be switched to either green or red, to match VW or Audi=20 dashboard lighting, respectively. This was truly a top-of-the-line radio for its era. Aftermarket=20 radios didn't even begin offering remote controls until nearly a=20 decade later! From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Jul 09 07:03:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57915 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2006 14:02:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2006 14:02:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2006 14:02:56 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-73-172.dhcp.embarqhsd.net ([71.51.73.172] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FzZs6-0002YE-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 10:02:54 -0400 Message-ID: <009a01c6a360$5c9033a0$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 10:02:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOR Transmitter Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=bRxoptfAfNwPAEhMThDNmlzG8kH66X6lc6yAx_I2WFBoXv6Nc-5Wm1Ya950mvQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Ray wrote: > If you'd like a peek, we're presently the featured site at http://www.fybush.com. That is a NICE looking transmitter plant you have there! Technical Question: How are you keeping the new WOR sticks from re-radiating and screwing up the pattern of the old WOR Sticks until it is time to flip the switch? Of course it is easy to keep the old sticks from re-radiating once the new plant is online...Just cut a couple of Guy wires and holler "TIMBER!" LOL But I think I would save the sticks and take one home for 160 Meters and two more to hold up the dipoles and 2 Meter antenna. The Continental would be "King Of The Hill" on the 3885 AM Net. That DX-50 would ROCK on 160 Meters! With the WOR leftovers, you can build a station like TimTron, WA1HLR has http://home.worldnet.att.net/~wa1sov/meet_the_amers/wa1hlr.html Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Sun Jul 09 08:06:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50135 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2006 15:02:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2006 15:02:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.155) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2006 15:02:06 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n12.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2006 15:00:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2006 15:00:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2006 15:00:47 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 15:00:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009a01c6a360$5c9033a0$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: WOR Transmitter Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=3MrcYF8VX9ENY3z8OpVxGI-_KNrkcFiz0tE6nEhY9MaRrWO5 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: >=20 > That is a NICE looking transmitter plant you have there! Thanks. >=20 > Technical Question: > How are you keeping the new WOR sticks from re-radiating and screwing up the pattern of the old WOR Sticks until it is time to flip the switch?=20 The old site (and the new one, too) is designed such that you can go non-D from any tower in the array for maintenance or emergency purposes. Each tower has a detuning network at the bottom for 710kHz that gets switched in when you go to non-D mode (except, obviously, the tower that is hot). We just switch over all three towers to detune mode on the old site to put the new one on the air. Not 100% flawless, but we will be able to get to the point of taking down the old sticks, then finalize the pattern. >Of course it is easy to keep the old sticks from re-radiating once the new plant is online...Just cut a couple of Guy wires and holler "TIMBER!"=20 I'm planning on shooting video when that happens....and we're going to do exactly that. The tower crew is planning on cutting the center guy wires on one side. The tower should buckle, then come down in a fairly neat pile not far from its base.=20=20 >LOL But I think I would save the sticks and take one home for 160 Meters and two more to hold up the dipoles and 2 Meter antenna. The Continental would be "King Of The Hill" on the 3885 AM Net. That DX-50 would ROCK on 160 Meters! Don't think I haven't thought of that. But there's a good market for steel right now, I sold the DX-50, and I'm looking for a home for the Continental (makes one hell of a space heater).=20=20 >=20 > With the WOR leftovers, you can build a station like TimTron, WA1HLR has http://home.worldnet.att.net/~wa1sov/meet_the_amers/wa1hlr.html Now that's a cool station! TR From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Jul 09 08:37:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10190 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2006 15:37:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2006 15:37:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2006 15:37:35 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-73-172.dhcp.embarqhsd.net ([71.51.73.172] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FzbJz-0001mk-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 11:35:48 -0400 Message-ID: <015501c6a36d$569536a0$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 11:35:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: TimTron, WA1HLR Was: WOR Transmitter Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=TPqUp1LFNSUQIQyxtd0ajGDGQ4qd6fsjPWBEAxhBSvxpzQNxf63tDoh9S0rsKw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 >> With the WOR leftovers, you can build a station like TimTron, WA1HLR has >> http://home.worldnet.att.net/~wa1sov/meet_the_amers/wa1hlr.html Tom Ray wrote: > Now that's a cool station! TimTron WA!HLR also hosts the BEST radio-related radio talk shows on the air. Grab yourself a Short-Wave and listen to him on WBCQ! TimTron is WBCQ's Cheif Engineer. Fr WBCQ 7415 05:00PM 06:00PM ET 2100 2130 UTC The Real Amateur Radio Show/Piss and Moan Net Sa WBCQ 7415 07:00PM 08:00PM ET 2300 0000 UTC Radio Timtron Worldwide Su WBCQ 7415 01:00AM 04:00AM ET 0500 0800 UTC Shortwave Overnight - Free Speech Rock and Roll Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Jul 09 12:59:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+Ob1a+18+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51156 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2006 19:54:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2006 19:54:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2006 19:54:02 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.114]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 97717990 for ; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 14:54:01 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bb01c6a392$081e6440$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 14:57:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.208.114 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Inland Empire X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=X0MDsk0MUkkLW3_oQxsBM1zyCHN0tVpZG0ateGQxmtXDJGr1S-JW X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If you guys can talk them down it might be worth it. However we could save ourselves a huge chunk of change merely by the group chipping in to buy an AM stereo generator card for the new BE AM-10 at WTTM. Neal couldn't get the old equipment to work with the new transmitter, but BE is still making that card so it would be a cheap way to get another station back in stereo. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "dbdigital2004" > > I don't think the station is worth much more than a million so, with the land, we're looking > at 2.5M. They're asking 3.6M. From amdavid@pacbell.net Mon Jul 10 19:21:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32129 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 02:21:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 02:21:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80409.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.64) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 02:21:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 78475 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jul 2006 02:21:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20060711022111.78473.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.74.72.22] by web80409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:21:11 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:21:11 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Inland Empire X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=c95xdK-aEK3rdk9bIBvgRHLQWSnkLZUtTEt2-XZfotTL0SD4IQ X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Inland Empire radio market is not Riverside and San Bernardino Countties. It is most of western riverside and San Berdoo counties, except the part between LA County and the 15 freeway (Fontana, etc) and the southern tip (Temecula) and does not include the Victor Valley or the Coachella Valley and points to the East. All in all, the radio market is less than 25% of the geography of the two counties. The 12+ population (on wheich ratings are based) is just over 1.7 million This AM can not be raised in power, and if it loses its site, it has co channel or adjacent channel protections with nearly a dozen stations. AM usage in this market is below that of LA or San Diego and Bakersfield, even. It is unlikely that any mass appeal format could be done here, as the signal is so deficient. The best chances would be some type of religion (perhaps in Spanish as it is now). The current owner paid $4 million for it. It is unlikely they would sell for less. Building a new tower site in a significantly urban area that is high on NIMBY residents is going to be expensive, and maybe impossible at the current power levels. lowercase_d wrote: Let's clear up the confusion about the actual definition of "The Inland Empire." Generally, the term is used to define the area comprising San Bernardino and Riverside Counties. Geographically, they are two of the largest counties in the country. In fact, San Bernardino is the largest county is so large that the five smallest states could all fit within its borders. Riverside is pretty damned huge, too. And that's where the problem sets in. They are so huge that they really aren't one market. Large portions of both counties lie so far from the central core that they are served by completely different radio and TV stations and even have their own daily newspapers. The current population: Riverside County 1,782,650 San Bernardino County 1,859,678 Total Inland Empire Population = 3,642,328 Is the market large enough to make a profit with KEZY? I would think so. Even if you eliminate the population that lies "outside the red line," there's a huge population at the core of the Inland Empire. Here is a list of the cities that fall within "the red line." Riverside 283,000 San Bernardino 194,000 Fontana 158,000 Rialto 92,000 Colton 48,000 Redlands 64,000 Moreno Valley 142,000 Highland 45,000 Grand Terrace 13,000 Loma Linda 21,000 Core Population = 1,060,000 In addition, I would guess that several hundred thousand other people live in unincorporated areas within The Red Line. Finally, there are other cities that lie just outside the red line. A few of them are: Corona 125,000 Ontario 158,000 Norco 24,000 Perris 71,000 Total = 378,000 So as you can see, there may be 1,500,000 or more potential listeners who fall within the Red Line or just outside it. But for sure, there are more than 1,000,000 within the line. The Inland Empire is basically a media wasteland. The highest rated radio station is KFI, which broadcasts from Los Angeles, 60 miles away. Several other LA radio stations also do very well in the Inland Empire. There are no TV stations in the Inland Empire. Its "local" TV all originates in Los Angeles. The newspaper business is totally fragmented because both Riverside and San Bernardino (which sit less than ten miles apart) have successful daily newspapers. For generations, they have each been content to own their own part of the market and not compete in the other's territory. Other daily newspapers serve outlying areas of the market. There has been just one spectacularly successful radio station in the history of the Inland Empire. KMEN, which was also a 1000 watt station located at 1290 AM. But that was way back in the 60s and 70s, before the rise of FM. But I guess it proves that a weak signal high on the dial needn't eliminate any chance at success. So my analysis would be that there's a huge potential for some niche format. Considering the demos of the market, I would think Spanish language would be the way to go, because half the population seems to be illegal aliens. Two Other Issues: Number One: where is the real estate that comes with the station? If the real estate has any value, you may be able to move the stick and develop the land it used to sit on. Number Two: Can you move the stick and increase the power? I know of one brilliant entrepreneur who bought another station in an area just outside the Inland Empire a couple years ago, talked the FCC into letting him move the stick to an area that allowed the station's signal to cover a far larger area of the market AND increase the power. Voila! He turned a minor investment into a bloody fortune. Number Three: Thousands of people may be rushing info the area, but the demos suck. Below average income. Below average education. Above average crime. It's a mecca for illegal aliens. The local government is corrupt. Within the last couple years, San Bernardino has had the highest murder rate in the country. The county is known as the methamphetamine capital of America. The heat is god awful in the summer. So is the smog. Traffic congestion is horrible. So buy the station. Grind them on the price. Beg the FCC for some help. Put on some cheap programming and hire a damn good sales manager. Make yourself a fortune. Easy, huh? Good luck. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 21:04:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87511 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 04:04:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 04:04:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.163) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 04:04:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 2958 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jul 2006 04:04:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20060711040440.2956.qmail@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.240.135.228] by web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:04:40 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:04:40 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: WOR Transmitter Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=2eRrpzDDljGqeNi6DmZaNx5V37XcjNg06xUq_gJDTYHOs0iF5ZD0EV4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio It's ashame that steel is so damned expensive, as I bet a lot of us AM'ers would love to have a 30' section of an AM broadcast antenna in our backyard, painted the appropriate red and white, and maybe lucky enough to have a beacon on that - something sure to please the neighbors! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Mon Jul 10 21:44:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74397 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 04:43:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 04:43:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.151) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 04:43:06 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n8.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2006 04:39:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2006 04:39:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2006 04:39:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 04:39:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060711022111.78473.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 4.232.174.7 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Inland Empire X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=fNWgxjZp8n7DWjZqWTw1lAjsqfIAlX5DtX74Ub_BKC-R_qZ7IJ4CxA X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 It looks to me as if the current owners of KEZY are stuck with this propert= y and are going=20 to have to make the best of it. I know it's been for sale for a very long = time. Too bad, it would be great to bring AM stereo back to So. Cal., at least un= til IBOC takes=20 over. db --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, David Gleason wrote: > > The Inland Empire radio market is not Riverside and San Bernardino Countt= ies. It is most=20 of western riverside and San Berdoo counties, except the part between LA Co= unty and the=20 15 freeway (Fontana, etc) and the southern tip (Temecula) and does not incl= ude the Victor=20 Valley or the Coachella Valley and points to the East. All in all, the radi= o market is less than=20 25% of the geography of the two counties. The 12+ population (on wheich rat= ings are=20 based) is just over 1.7 million >=20=20=20=20 > This AM can not be raised in power, and if it loses its site, it has co= channel or adjacent=20 channel protections with nearly a dozen stations.=20 >=20=20=20=20 > AM usage in this market is below that of LA or San Diego and Bakersfiel= d, even. It is=20 unlikely that any mass appeal format could be done here, as the signal is s= o deficient. The=20 best chances would be some type of religion (perhaps in Spanish as it is no= w).=20 >=20=20=20=20 > The current owner paid $4 million for it. It is unlikely they would sel= l for less. Building=20 a new tower site in a significantly urban area that is high on NIMBY reside= nts is going to be=20 expensive, and maybe impossible at the current power levels.=20 >=20 From wa2fnq@optonline.net Tue Jul 11 09:33:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23372 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 16:14:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 16:14:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.201) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 16:14:38 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n10.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2006 16:13:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2006 16:13:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2006 16:13:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:13:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <015501c6a36d$569536a0$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: TimTron, WA1HLR Was: WOR Transmitter Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=J7ezENW9VKqPdGmPXYUBE1cR9T9qcgwvvbOTjw5glhcL X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Tim is a piece of work. There are just too many stories. Tom, save the 317. We need to get you on 75 meter AM. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > >> With the WOR leftovers, you can build a station like TimTron,=20 WA1HLR has=20 > >> http://home.worldnet.att.net/~wa1sov/meet_the_amers/wa1hlr.html >=20 > Tom Ray wrote: > > Now that's a cool station! >=20 > TimTron WA!HLR also hosts the BEST radio-related radio talk shows=20 on the=20 > air. Grab yourself a Short-Wave and listen to him on WBCQ! TimTron=20 is WBCQ's=20 > Cheif Engineer. >=20 > Fr WBCQ 7415 05:00PM 06:00PM ET 2100 2130 UTC The Real Amateur=20 Radio=20 > Show/Piss and Moan Net >=20 > Sa WBCQ 7415 07:00PM 08:00PM ET 2300 0000 UTC Radio Timtron=20 Worldwide >=20 > Su WBCQ 7415 01:00AM 04:00AM ET 0500 0800 UTC Shortwave=20 Overnight - Free=20 > Speech Rock and Roll >=20 > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a=20 mathematical=20 > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. -=20 Leonard Kahn > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Jul 11 15:59:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43787 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 22:54:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 22:54:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 22:54:47 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-73-172.dhcp.embarqhsd.net ([71.51.73.172] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1G0R7u-0001Db-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:54:46 -0400 Message-ID: <023c01c6a53c$fc52e670$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:54:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: TimTron, WA1HLR Was: WOR Transmitter Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=aI1mCP_WKaGpmAS0WEvVKkoUydt9icZoqB0sHvFUj_vjJ4OWoJbjb-LHKh9Dig X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wa2fnq wrote: > Tim is a piece of work. There are just too many stories. I am sure there are! One of these days I have GOT to meet him in person! Tim is just as funny to listen to no matter if he is hosting "Piss 'N' Moan Net", "Free Speech Rock 'N' Roll" or filling in on "Allen Wiener World Wide" on WBCQ, or he in on one of the AM Phone nets over "WA1-Henry-YELLLLARRRRRR!". Many times WA1HLR puts a BETTER signal into Central Florida than WBCQ! I never will forget the first time I heard TimTron on the air. He was on an AM Phone Net explaining how to Bye-Ass Modulator Tubes! I never thought that Biasing Modulator Tubes could be so funny! LOL > > Tom, save the 317. We need to get you on 75 meter AM. You can tell by the signal levels, propagation, and audio quality some of those guys on AM are running well in excess of Legal Power. Just think with that 317 cranking out 50,000 Watts with crystal clear pure audio, the only sure-fire way anybody would know how much power you are really running would need to use a field strength meter, or a copy of your electric bill! OR If you want your tubes to last forever and be legal, If I remember correctly from WESC's 317, it will power down to 5KW in Low Power mode, or was that 10KW? Anyway, run it in Low power mode and build a power soak to lower your power to legal limit. In any event, the 317 would sure impress the "Boat Anchor" crowd! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Tue Jul 11 23:02:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30197 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2006 05:50:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2006 05:50:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.150) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2006 05:50:17 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n7.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2006 05:50:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2006 05:50:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2006 05:50:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 05:50:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.184.96.32 From: "Mike" Subject: Re: AM Stereo car radio with remote control X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087; y=yjRktaynkyPtSoBvLgYPejSeXueniDM9wYlIw5xWtzv_qjcd X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio Is it me, or do we get hosed in the US when it comes to radios? The=20 sets for sale on Audiocubes look like they're designed much better=20 than the drivel that's sold over here. Even the overseas versions of=20 models sold here (like the Tecsun BCL-2000, which is the foriegn=20 version of the Grundig S350 comes in better looking colors). --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." =20 wrote: > This radio with available as a dealer-installed option on every late=20 > '80s Volkswagen in Canada, and was standard on some of the high-end=20 > models like the Jetta Carat. However, for some reason it was never=20 > offered in the USA. > From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 03:00:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85116 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2006 10:00:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2006 10:00:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.207) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2006 10:00:08 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2006 10:00:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2006 10:00:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2006 10:00:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:00:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.16.209 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: AM Stereo car radio with remote control X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=Ab6KejcN2Vrc0pexo5y_gAXNJnyyGuzrWsPQ2zsPkiPWMRxO X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" =20 wrote: > > Is it me, or do we get hosed in the US when it comes to radios? The=20 > sets for sale on Audiocubes look like they're designed much better=20 > than the drivel that's sold over here. Even the overseas versions of=20 > models sold here (like the Tecsun BCL-2000, which is the foriegn=20 > version of the Grundig S350 comes in better looking colors). I'll address this on two separate levels: AMS: Yes, I've noticed that Canada and Australia got AMS radios we in=20 America never did. Japan, obviously, still does..... And not all of=20 thhem (not even most of those currently available!) are on Audiocubes-=20 Just three of Sony's portables. I don't know why, specificly, that=20 Canada got models the US didn't, considering both Canada and the US=20 share thhe same AM band specifications, but the3y did. Now, to radios in general: European radios are very typically European- Very stylish, using modern=20 designs that American companies won't bother with, because we'd rather=20 keep it to certain expectations. Thhe Japanese have long since been=20 ahead of us both in style, quality and features. Japan likes=20 technology, and they like space-saving stereo erquipment. Some of the=20 most interesting small-space home electronics can be found from Japan.=20 But on the other end of the spectrum, in terms of style, the Japanese=20 do like silly/cute/loud-looking gear, but don't compromise on quality.=20 (Of course, I see this in alot of stuff from Japan... Hello Kitty=20 stereos, anyone? ;) And as for the Chinese- They're actually getting=20 better, and some of the best don't makes it to American shhelves- Even=20 the pieces not intended for Chinese consumption! I have one such radio=20 from China, and the only thing not right with it, performance-wise is=20 image/mixer rejection, which is particularly noticable in the LW and=20 lower SW bands. But in strength, it's great. In bandwidth, it's wide,=20 but still reasonably selective- Not like some barndoor-wide el-cheapo=20 AMs that have been flooding the American market in recent years.... The=20 FM on the radio has the quietest and widest stereo I've enjoyed in an=20 FM-capable radio... And I got it for a third of a comparable off-the- shelf digital all-band radio of this type. Shanghai's Degen Electronics=20 makes pretty good radios for the price. :) But yes, we Americans do miss alot of what the rest of the world=20 enjoys, be it style, quality, features or price. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pdmtr@yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 06:57:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93766 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2006 13:40:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2006 13:40:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.210) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2006 13:40:25 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2006 13:39:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2006 13:39:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2006 13:39:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:39:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 62.38.241.145 From: "Sotiris" Subject: A real strange AM stereo tube tuner from the 50s??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=xq0-eUh-9PvbDmGpFiM8-B0IijqalUi2cbl7JODDpk0 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 anyone knowing something about that piece of art! that just show up on=20 Ebay? Thinking on bidding at it, for collection purposes basically!=20 Check it out:=20 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D250007194175=20 Regards Sotiris http://www.geocities.com/am1098cquam/ From wnmb@sc.rr.com Wed Jul 12 08:51:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89059 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2006 15:40:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2006 15:40:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.102) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2006 15:40:09 -0000 Received: from user40vik86y22 (rrcs-24-199-186-206.midsouth.biz.rr.com [24.199.186.206]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6CFe61v027738 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000d01c6a5c9$631e0880$6401a8c0@user40vik86y22> To: References: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:39:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Norman Communications" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A real strange AM stereo tube tuner from the 50s??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=KMT2kcwAmT-Tg4Az5HuXd8c2gfn1tkbzlcs5VhMQV66szQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The AM Stereo/fm tuner pictured on the auction dates back to the 50s or early 60s. There was a brief period where AM Stereo was going to be put in place by actually transmitting on two different AM Transmitters and two different frequencies. The tuner would allow you to tune in both frequencies. One would play on the left speaker and the other on the right side. A couple of manufacturers (I believe Zenith was one) actually produced receivers...although some different names were stamped on them. The idea didn't last long. A few US stations did some broadcasting this way, but timing problems and other bugs made it not feasible. William Norman, Jr. WNMB: Norman Communications NMB Inc. 429 Pine Avenue North Myrtle Beach, S. C. 29582 Phone 843-249-6NMB e mail: wnmb@sc.rr.com Website: www.wnmb900.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Sotiris To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 9:39 AM Subject: {AMSF} A real strange AM stereo tube tuner from the 50s??? Hi anyone knowing something about that piece of art! that just show up on Ebay? Thinking on bidding at it, for collection purposes basically! Check it out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250007194175 Regards Sotiris http://www.geocities.com/am1098cquam/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Wed Jul 12 11:17:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99201 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2006 17:42:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2006 17:42:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.155) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2006 17:42:29 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n12.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2006 17:40:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2006 17:40:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2006 17:40:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:40:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060711040440.2956.qmail@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: WOR Transmitter Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=uvKcL6iHRObjtsRqtJPhcwnOwXTP9cYQP6CyZVGgwgRFEXQA X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > It's ashame that steel is so damned expensive, as I bet a lot of us=20 AM'ers > would love to have a 30' section of an AM broadcast antenna in our=20 backyard, > painted the appropriate red and white, and maybe lucky enough to=20 have a beacon > on that - something sure to please the neighbors! Strobes have more "neighbor pleasing" powers :-) TR From tomray@wor710.com Wed Jul 12 11:18:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 988 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2006 17:42:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2006 17:42:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.155) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2006 17:42:58 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n12.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2006 17:41:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2006 17:41:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2006 17:41:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:41:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: TimTron, WA1HLR Was: WOR Transmitter Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=jafpC_v_zJ8AdCHsbPcYKrmaIVOAJphwwQ0slp05Yq36nxat X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > Tim is a piece of work. There are just too many stories. >=20 > Tom, save the 317. We need to get you on 75 meter AM. >=20 > Jerry WA2FNQ >=20 Yeah....but with the 317, I'd be the ONLY thing on 75 Meters. TR From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 11:32:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11028 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2006 18:20:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2006 18:20:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52202.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.125) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2006 18:20:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 97025 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jul 2006 18:20:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20060712182026.97023.qmail@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.5.219.153] by web52202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:20:26 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:20:26 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.125 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo car radio with remote control X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=lz0flfFFurqbg_g6v-bBY6CGjwxGFOQY8nBexLiv44o X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Mike wrote: > Is it me, or do we get hosed in the US when it comes > to radios? The > sets for sale on Audiocubes look like they're > designed much better > than the drivel that's sold over here. Even the > overseas versions of > models sold here (like the Tecsun BCL-2000, which is > the foriegn > version of the Grundig S350 comes in better looking > colors). But DOES NOT have the expanded AM band. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From pdmtr@yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 11:33:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92149 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2006 18:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2006 18:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.22) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2006 18:33:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2006 18:33:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2006 18:33:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:33:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000d01c6a5c9$631e0880$6401a8c0@user40vik86y22> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 62.38.241.145 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A real strange AM stereo tube tuner from the 50s??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=2NhYUHdEMINWnQ7CVZAv4g8O4Bipaj132E6FMFIKrZ8 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi Norman=20 Yes I'm aware about the "technology trick" used at first steps of AM=20 stereo broadcasting! However I'm curious if it can receive and=20 demodulate a ISB Kahn system broadcast for example... ! Also this is=20 made ny te Japs TRIO company (well known for Oscilloscopes also) so=20 it got to be a well made device. The thing is, is it really worth the=20 price (+S&H from Oz) as a collective 1st generation AM stereo ? tuner? Best regards=20 Sotiris=20 http://www.geocities.com/am1098cquam/=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Norman Communications"=20 wrote: > > The AM Stereo/fm tuner pictured on the auction dates back to the=20 50s or early 60s. There was a brief period where AM Stereo was going=20 to be put in place by actually transmitting on two different AM=20 Transmitters and two different frequencies. The tuner would allow=20 you to tune in both frequencies. One would play on the left speaker=20 and the other on the right side. > A couple of manufacturers (I believe Zenith was one) actually=20 produced receivers...although some different names were stamped on=20 them. > The idea didn't last long. A few US stations did some broadcasting=20 this way, but timing problems and other bugs made it not feasible. >=20 > William Norman, Jr. > WNMB: Norman Communications NMB Inc. > 429 Pine Avenue > North Myrtle Beach, S. C. 29582 >=20 > Phone 843-249-6NMB > e mail: wnmb@... > Website: www.wnmb900.com > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Sotiris=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 9:39 AM > Subject: {AMSF} A real strange AM stereo tube tuner from the=20 50s??? >=20 >=20 > Hi=20 > anyone knowing something about that piece of art! that just show=20 up on=20 > Ebay? Thinking on bidding at it, for collection purposes=20 basically!=20 > Check it out:=20 > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D250007194175=20 >=20 > Regards > Sotiris >=20 > http://www.geocities.com/am1098cquam/ >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 13:13:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28337 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2006 19:56:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2006 19:56:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.174) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2006 19:56:57 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n7.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2006 19:56:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2006 19:56:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2006 19:56:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:56:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.16.209 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A real strange AM stereo tube tuner from the 50s??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=Y6WS2LOcj2hugvnvq9dAn_eVOv4DS8c9YHdjY8m6iHZCSA7o X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie OK, time to explain a few things, here, as I'm fairly well-versed on=20 early AMS systems... :) Can it do ISB? Short answer is yes. Dual-channel AM stereo and AM/FM stereo broadcasting was first tried=20 in the 1920s, and would be used periodically for special events-=20 Mostly sports and some concerts. This technique would persist well=20 into the late 1960s. In most cases, most simply used two separate=20 radoiosd for the job. (Even a few attempts at TV stereo were done=20 this way.) Because the technology became feasable, and the advent of=20 stereophonic tapes and records, made the desire to market single=20 tuners capable of this type of dual-channel system. There have only=20 been a few attempts to do this on a network-wide approach--=20 Australia's ABC in particular attempted tgo do just that inn the=20 early 1960s. (Note: The radio was made for the Australian market for=20 just this reason, although the radios were made by Japanese companies=20 like Trio and Panasonic.) With a phase-shift network and ISB converter (ie: this:=20 http://tinyurl.com/h824q ), the same technique that could convert C- QUAM to ISB could be done to do the reverse- convery ISB to C-QUAM.=20 You could use such a tuner with the converter/PSN setup to listen to=20 any station in QuAM/C-QUAM! :) While this dual-carrier (or as I referred to earlier as dual-channel-- Same difference, technically) system was used, there were alreadfy=20 attempts at single-carrier stereophonic AM and FM broadcasting in a=20 variety of syswtems. AM stereo, especially, was in active development=20 throughout the late 1950s and early 1960s, mostly spurred on by=20 Murray Crosby's tests and experimental broadcasts throughout the '50s=20 of his FM stereo system (FM with FM subcarrier), which was also=20 fueled by the growing body of sterfeophonic recordings, first by=20 tape, then on phonograph records (A major reason for the all-band=20 stereophonic push during the late-'50s/early-'60s). Between TV stereo=20 proposals not being ready, and Leonard Kahn's outbursts and lack of=20 transparancy with NAB, the FCC and the standards committee overseeing=20 the proposals, resulting in a halt to anything for AM stereo, all=20 that we were left was FM stereo. (The inferior GE/Zenith system was=20 chosen because it was more amenibal for SCA than the superior Crosby=20 system. We still use the GE/Zenith system today.) (And yes, I do have a report from the 1960 NRSC stereophonic=20 broadcast study somewhere that does relate these problems from that=20 time. I'm not just idly blaming Khan for the lack of AM stereo=20 support.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From wa2fnq@optonline.net Wed Jul 12 13:25:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33291 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2006 20:21:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2006 20:21:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.25) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2006 20:21:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2006 20:20:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2006 20:20:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:20:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: TimTron, WA1HLR Was: WOR Transmitter Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=7gRV67-bDDHRO4w3TF9yly0h0Z3sr0sQSYt0VQmMMBwE X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq That would be very cool indeed. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > > > Tim is a piece of work. There are just too many stories. > >=20 > > Tom, save the 317. We need to get you on 75 meter AM. > >=20 > > Jerry WA2FNQ > >=20 >=20 >=20 > Yeah....but with the 317, I'd be the ONLY thing on 75 Meters. >=20 > TR > From kya1260@lycos.com Wed Jul 12 17:09:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20423 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 00:01:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2006 00:01:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 00:01:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.8.90]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id AD617180080D for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:00:38 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter2.us4.outblaze.com; 13 Jul 2006 00:00:38 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7C14BCA07A; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:00:38 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: yipeitsdjj@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:00:38 -0800 Received: from [209.77.236.13] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:00:38 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060713000038.7C14BCA07A@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: {AMSF} K M P H, Modesto, 840 KC, new station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=GZM-LaR78_jfu7S-N37IwmTUqlSDkMgs3U4xddh-RHhl_GGQ0g X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ AM 840, K M P H, is now on the air in Modesto (Riverbank), California, but I cannot tell if it's AM Stereo, as the signal is weak in Napa/North Bay...=20 I do know it is NOT in IBOC mode. Pappas Broadcasting is now based in Fresno, and 840 replaces the former AM Stereo 860, K T R B, which had a commanding presence with its 50-kw signal daytime. I assume, being at 840, it has to protect 830 in Grass Valley, north of Sacramento... Sounds like an infomercial was airing when I tuned in at 9 a.m. on 840... Can anyone help? Jim Smith? Someone? --jay --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 21:53:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81375 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 04:40:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2006 04:40:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 04:40:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2006 04:39:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2006 04:39:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 04:39:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.135.228 From: "K8DAD" Subject: WJR was in stereo on Wednesday X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=DzASZXtPAuS_CjKzJvxA9N1o50bbdjMxLQRcAR4aG6RAJGLrpZtVJVw X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio And I was so excited that I took photos from every AM stereo tuner to=20 show the 'Great Voice of the Great Lakes' in C-Quam AM Stereo - and=20 sounding quite decent; photo is in the MISC folder in the Photos=20 section. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 01:16:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32757 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 08:07:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2006 08:07:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.210) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 08:07:58 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2006 08:07:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2006 08:07:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2006 08:07:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:07:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.8.84 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: WJR was in stereo on Wednesday X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=aNGlHSGdfOfpX8Kc4DRVDYPCopHWyTSxqhL0TfMqDTu7TeEc X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "K8DAD" =20 wrote: > > And I was so excited that I took photos from every AM stereo tuner to=20 > show the 'Great Voice of the Great Lakes' in C-Quam AM Stereo - and=20 > sounding quite decent; photo is in the MISC folder in the Photos=20 > section. Too bad that the Photos feature of Yahoo! Groups shrinks submitted pics=20 for everyone except the moderators. :P Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Jul 13 17:58:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+3QR5+23+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70667 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2006 00:58:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2006 00:58:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2006 00:58:03 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.47]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 98933810 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:58:01 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c6a6e1$2f8a8f20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:02:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 8, in=6, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.47 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo car radio with remote control X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=eV7ERdxFrBpfnO07CxU_v7bjnGAI5dvyPX-oj44jjZx-y1BMpeQb X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Any idea why the "certain expectations"? I have a hunch the Japanese like gadgetry as it's a break from their highly regimented lifestyles, and the miniaturization because there is so much crowding due to the lack of habitable land. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > > Now, to radios in general: > European radios are very typically European- Very stylish, using modern > designs that American companies won't bother with, because we'd rather > keep it to certain expectations. Thhe Japanese have long since been > ahead of us both in style, quality and features. Japan likes > technology, and they like space-saving stereo erquipment. > But yes, we Americans do miss alot of what the rest of the world > enjoys, be it style, quality, features or price. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Jul 13 18:12:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+3QR5+23+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18769 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2006 00:32:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2006 00:32:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2006 00:32:50 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.47]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 96352353 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:32:46 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004d01c6a6dd$a8a7f2c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:37:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 1, in=3, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.47 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: TimTron, WA1HLR Was: WOR Transmitter Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=IHQYv2hSPy0IETgL36R43gYbG1h5Prjw7FtcLeaYkTbI58Ryzl-O X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Did Neal Newman have to bail on taking the 317? I know he had a lot of personal problems lately. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "wa2fnq" > > Tom, save the 317. We need to get you on 75 meter AM. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 20:48:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53540 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2006 03:45:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2006 03:45:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.196) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2006 03:45:46 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n5.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2006 03:45:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2006 03:45:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2006 03:45:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 03:45:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001001c6a6e1$2f8a8f20$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.70.51 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo car radio with remote control X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=LAB5xe69L6KmOg007mO-9_-Bh8_90eoOIZuWOry2M4GwZnWC X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > Any idea why the "certain expectations"? I have a hunch the Japanese=20 like > gadgetry as it's a break from their highly regimented lifestyles, and=20 the > miniaturization because there is so much crowding due to the lack of > habitable land. Correct on both counts (though alot of Japanese don't live in such a=20 rigid life). As for as for "certain expectations", mostly LCD- Lowest=20 Common Denominator, or the most buck for the bang. Others include being=20 physically as well as literally LOUD, while not necessarily being good-=20 Whatever they can sell, especially in places like Wal*Mart. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 14 08:23:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41565 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2006 14:55:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2006 14:55:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.189) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2006 14:55:33 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n22.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2006 14:55:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2006 14:55:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2006 14:55:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:55:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.42.187.220 From: "Scott Higbee" Subject: Re: WJR was in stereo on Wednesday X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=257511206; y=m7IkdYUAMX3ODCutTmejNJ03TZkHrUMgv-d1JQpZI74AGRwWRQaHXzwGqcR0k6Q6Y0tSmQ X-Yahoo-Profile: labonte43nc --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "K8DAD" =20 > wrote: > > > > And I was so excited that I took photos from every AM stereo=20 tuner to=20 > > show the 'Great Voice of the Great Lakes' in C-Quam AM Stereo -=20 and=20 > > sounding quite decent; photo is in the MISC folder in the Photos=20 > > section. >=20 > Too bad that the Photos feature of Yahoo! Groups shrinks submitted=20 pics=20 > for everyone except the moderators. :P >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > It's too bad that it didn't last long. WJR was in Mono as of 3am=20 est. this morning. :( From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 10:45:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42430 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2006 17:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2006 17:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.205) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2006 17:38:59 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2006 17:38:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2006 17:38:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2006 17:38:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 17:38:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.242.28 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: WJR was in stereo on Wednesday X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=to59GxGP0hH5Ae1wDpC7Jclrfeu6SnOObxoyt5OnYJwx50ENFw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > And I was so excited that I took photos from every AM stereo tuner > to show the 'Great Voice of the Great Lakes' in C-Quam AM Stereo - > and sounding quite decent; photo is in the MISC folder in the > Photos section. Here is the full-size version: http://i1.tinypic.com/206dkyr.jpg From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 10:53:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59379 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2006 17:47:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2006 17:47:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2006 17:47:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n16.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2006 17:47:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2006 17:47:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:47:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.254.135.27 From: "K8DAD" Subject: What happened to HD radio ruling? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=w4KggJ6DAHU57Z3XlYq7GsEquCFB0AugdDnBgUfHLMo-k_xKc-1F7_4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio The FCC was supposed to issue some HD rules on the 13th of July - what=20 happened? From tomray@wor710.com Mon Jul 17 12:06:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75620 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2006 19:06:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2006 19:06:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.22) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2006 19:06:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2006 19:05:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2006 19:05:29 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:05:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: What happened to HD radio ruling? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=AQ2pCYU4PBj1kizICHr5e_D6UfDUZDiHHKYMMmyF1d0KiQQK X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "K8DAD" =20 wrote: > > The FCC was supposed to issue some HD rules on the 13th of July -=20 what=20 > happened? > The Adelphia Cable sale came up....big time....and took up just about=20 all the time in the session. FCC started late that day because of=20 last minute things going on with Adelphia. Stay tuned..... Tom Ray WOR From norbert_1226@msn.com Mon Jul 17 12:35:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: norbert_1226@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88071 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2006 19:25:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2006 19:25:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s28.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.164) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2006 19:24:58 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.9.21]) by bay0-omc2-s28.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:23:03 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:23:03 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.6 by BAY119-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:23:02 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [norbert_1226@msn.com] X-Sender: norbert_1226@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:23:01 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2006 19:23:03.0318 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C634B60:01C6A9D6] Return-Path: norbert_1226@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Norbert Here" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What happened to HD radio ruling? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=273767829; y=I-2d2JVEGgk2UUUYAq_iccKZbGuivZQvW_8_vPI-vbb_Aozjtdq7blBgTw X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=9351 -----Original Message----- From: K8DAD Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 1:47 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} What happened to HD radio ruling? The FCC was supposed to issue some HD rules on the 13th of July - what happened? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimmyyearwood@msn.com Mon Jul 17 15:11:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimmyyearwood@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31105 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2006 22:11:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2006 22:11:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2006 22:11:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n16.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2006 22:11:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2006 22:11:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:11:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.136.253 From: "jimmyyearwood" Subject: 1130 WWBF (Bartow, Fl) no stereo separation? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153993962; y=2xGuhb0e96wwCePGmxgxL7S2owS4g_sZcOimi4zzlyWeiEzoM1WjcQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jimmyyearwood Anyone in or around Polk county Florida?=20 I Have noticed longtime AM stereo station WWBF no longer has any stereo=20 separation and lately has been running just one cannel though both L=20 and R..or it sounds like all or part of a channel is missing. On my=20=20 radios that do have automatic stereo switching the pilot light does=20 come on and I can tell that the transmitter is still pumping out a=20 stereo signal, but the audio is mono. I have not heard any of the local programming, so I can't tell you if=20 it's just the piped in audio that's in mono or all of it? I am on the east side of Lakeland about maybe 10 miles away from the=20 towers, but the signal is mostly clean and static free=85maybe the=20 distance has something to do with it? Has anyone else noticed this? From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Jul 17 16:34:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72324 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2006 23:22:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2006 23:22:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s1.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.201) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2006 23:22:17 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.17]) by bay0-omc3-s1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:21:51 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:21:51 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:21:48 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:21:48 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2006 23:21:51.0750 (UTC) FILETIME=[C8CC8260:01C6A9F7] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: RE: {AMSF} What happened to HD radio ruling? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=cCtSL-JwQK2UTch3S_n6dkxjpNvOOPNftGgo604jnu5leym5_9FKUczESe0 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo More importantly, will "HD" radio in it's current form survive? Hi John, I'm beginning to wonder what is happening to "HD" radio in general, it seems to be off to a rocky start and I'm wondering if it will survive. The stations here broadcasting in it, encourage people to listen to their "HD"2 streams online but don't mention purchasing an "HD" receiver like they had been. My guess is the stations are waiting for another generation of "HD" radios that have more quality control and they can feel more comfortable about promoting. If the FCC allows the "HD" (still trying to figure out what the HD stands for, since we have been told it really doesn't stand for High Definition, which is the impression that most have) on the AM band at night it will be another nail in the coffin of the AM band, of course the programming on 80 percent of the am band is another nail in the coffin, little or no local programming; lots of infomercials and horrible sound quality whether broadcasting in analogue or digital. There need to be more stations like WNMB,North Myrtle Beach, WWBF, Bartow, Fl and AM 740 out of Toronto (even though they are in mono, their programming is a refreshing change from the sub-mediocre programming on most AM band stations. Donn St Petersburg,FL From: "K8DAD" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} What happened to HD radio ruling? Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:47:12 -0000 The FCC was supposed to issue some HD rules on the 13th of July - what happened? From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon Jul 17 18:15:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+mh8T+27+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97309 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2006 01:07:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2006 01:07:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2006 01:07:18 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.161]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 99992485 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:07:15 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c6aa07$298346c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:11:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 4, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.161 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1130 WWBF (Bartow, Fl) no stereo separation? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=7cdx9F9MJK4zW_QnwP3rhU9CVILUCLi9yf4_h068ZJNkfEu4DynM X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You're probably our closest member to that station, Jimmy, and close enough that your radio is likely telling you the truth. Why not call the station and ask about it? When management knows folks notice these things it's an incentive for them to keep stereo alive and well. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimmyyearwood" Anyone in or around Polk county Florida? I Have noticed longtime AM stereo station WWBF no longer has any stereo separation and lately has been running just one cannel though both L and R..or it sounds like all or part of a channel is missing. On my radios that do have automatic stereo switching the pilot light does come on and I can tell that the transmitter is still pumping out a stereo signal, but the audio is mono. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Jul 17 18:40:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96151 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2006 01:24:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2006 01:24:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.154) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2006 01:24:49 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n11.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2006 01:24:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2006 01:24:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2006 01:24:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 01:24:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004301c6aa07$298346c0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.99.80.69 From: "florida_amsstereo" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1130 WWBF (Bartow, Fl) no stereo separation? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=Sjq9tmxrR18Xl4_v5kE13PJGYznYaqFHbpJyaqyd5FxpRwqy4LGpp4XYGLA X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Jim, I went to the AM Stereo Forum website and sent you an email (or=20 maybe it was a post) advising you to to ask for when you call WWBF. I also gave you some background info on some ongoing problems at=20 WWBF and their transmitter. Donn Tillman St Petersburg --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > >=20 > You're probably our closest member to that station, Jimmy, and=20 close enough > that your radio is likely telling you the truth. Why not call the=20 station > and ask about it? When management knows folks notice these things=20 it's an > incentive for them to keep stereo alive and well. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "jimmyyearwood" >=20 >=20 > Anyone in or around Polk county Florida? >=20 > I Have noticed longtime AM stereo station WWBF no longer has any=20 stereo > separation and lately has been running just one cannel though both=20 L > and R..or it sounds like all or part of a channel is missing. On my > radios that do have automatic stereo switching the pilot light does > come on and I can tell that the transmitter is still pumping out a > stereo signal, but the audio is mono. > From jimmyyearwood@hotmail.com Tue Jul 18 17:38:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimmyyearwood@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60907 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2006 22:32:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2006 22:32:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.195) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2006 22:32:17 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2006 22:31:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2006 22:31:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2006 22:31:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:31:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.136.253 From: "jimmyyearwood" Subject: WWBF back in full stereo...8) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226592358; y=EMI7veIApIkLLC_71KLNzqIE0-reTGecqEl-8zsIshjnePIvIO_yDQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jimmyyearwood Yes the fine folks at WWBf have it back to normal and wow does it have=20 killer stereo sound. Where taling a real treat with the old=20 Portapro 'phones..=20 If you are out there someplace Mr. Thornburg...thank you for all you do=20 and keep up the good work...just one small requst if you would..please=20 frizbe the Petula Clark and Skeeter Davis records would ya?...lol=20 Much thanks to Scott Todd and florida_amsstereo for all the help and=20 info...8) From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 18 19:37:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51630 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2006 23:51:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2006 23:51:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.206) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2006 23:51:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 11689 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2006 23:51:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimr7d8fyp5wxk) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.26.54.155 with login) by smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2006 23:51:31 -0000 Message-ID: <000801c6aac5$1bfd9280$d50bfea9@jimr7d8fyp5wxk> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:51:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: KXOL AM 1660 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=90VcLbYl49b-EZ2DIlzxDfxETL5VHoFiN2QV4Q-xyULqoTU9_5H1Wletj93lY0YlSZQnXg3N X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Dose any one have the scoop on KXOL AM 1660 Salt Lake City Ut. Thay are a X-band station yet thay are mono or with out pilot tone any way. I can't tell if thay are forced stereo or not because of there signal is very unstable. Thay are only a 1kw station at night and I am just NE of Sacramento Ca JS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 21:28:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47655 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2006 04:28:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2006 04:28:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2006 04:28:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2006 04:28:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2006 04:28:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 04:28:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000801c6aac5$1bfd9280$d50bfea9@jimr7d8fyp5wxk> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.32.79 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: KXOL AM 1660 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=z7-VAGTNtOZN6JtNrTdB3ELVywRn5KZzRzb22iGpODoXTnYj X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang Dose any one have the scoop on KXOL AM 1660 Salt Lake City=20 Ut. Thay are a X-band station yet thay are mono or with out pilot tone=20 any way. I can't tell if thay are forced stereo or not because of=20 there signal is very unstable. Thay are only a 1kw station at night and=20 I am just NE of Sacramento Ca JS Like most X-band stations, it's probably pilot-only to fulfill it's "AM=20 stereo preference" which got therm on the air in the first place. I=20 hhasven't heard them much in recent years, with other X-band stations=20 occupying 1660, so I don't knowe if they've kept the same format of an=20 eclectic oldies mix, of which the engineer believes all '50s/'60s=20 oldies should be heard exactly as they were broadcast- in mono. Even=20 with 5kW/day, 1kW/night, they came in here pretty strongly. (The X-band=20 is now almost as bad as the old AM band....almost. Still not AS=20 crowded, here on the west coast, but it's getting there.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 19 09:56:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16326 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2006 16:51:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2006 16:51:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2006 16:51:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2006 16:50:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2006 16:50:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:50:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.22.189.204 From: "jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: KXOL AM 1660 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=MF70BwH8sWTLkHQqUcNiAlDgaIIrreZ_K_BGiCdbV--Ql0i1schXltuY-FcI2QlkNVQ7X24p X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > Hi Gang Dose any one have the scoop on KXOL AM 1660 Salt Lake=20 City=20 > Ut. Thay are a X-band station yet thay are mono or with out pilot=20 tone=20 > any way. I can't tell if thay are forced stereo or not because of=20 > there signal is very unstable. Thay are only a 1kw station at night=20 and=20 > I am just NE of Sacramento Ca JS >=20 > Like most X-band stations, it's probably pilot-only to fulfill=20 it's "AM=20 > stereo preference" which got therm on the air in the first place. I=20 > hhasven't heard them much in recent years, with other X-band=20 stations=20 > occupying 1660, so I don't knowe if they've kept the same format of=20 an=20 > eclectic oldies mix, of which the engineer believes all '50s/'60s=20 > oldies should be heard exactly as they were broadcast- in mono.=20 Even=20 > with 5kW/day, 1kW/night, they came in here pretty strongly. (The X- band=20 > is now almost as bad as the old AM band....almost. Still not AS=20 > crowded, here on the west coast, but it's getting there.) >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Hi Amy I don't know about back i the day but right now there is no=20 pilot tone. And like i said before there signal is so unstable=20 enough i can't tell with my Sony SRF A300 that weather it is in=20 stereo or not. It sounds a lot differant in stereo mode then in mono=20 mode but a lot of weak stations are that way with that radio. JS From w6yn@juno.com Wed Jul 19 11:57:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12654 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2006 18:49:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2006 18:49:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2006 18:49:15 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABCM69GTAMBDRAJ for (sender ); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:41:21 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLMU2aduEj4VUjsbFb1KwLjY= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LVNQHB5B; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:40:42 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:40:18 -0700 Message-ID: <20060719.114018.3540.5.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ContentStamp: 2:3:3936756401 X-MAIL-INFO:3ef015c0bdbd49e9610c15492121d40590ad2151011010c9e490654d652901201019015961d9012d49397575e5792d150c X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: FM TRANSLATORS FOR AM STATIONS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=jLJ8H67PGbB8KN0g1wwWJGZ6b5vQKPzlJ46eNllWwA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn NAB WANTS FM TRANSLATORS FOR AM STATIONS The NAB wants the Commission to let AMs use FM translators. According to Radio World, "Under NAB's proposal, no portion of the 60 dBu contour of the FM translator may exceed the lesser of either the 2 mV/m daytime contour of the AM station or a circle with its center at the AM transmitter site and a radius of 25 miles." http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=9366 From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Wed Jul 19 23:16:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52244 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2006 06:16:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2006 06:16:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.188) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2006 06:16:52 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n21.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2006 06:16:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2006 06:16:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2006 06:16:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 06:16:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060719.114018.3540.5.w6yn@juno.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.184.96.32 From: "Mike" Subject: Re: FM TRANSLATORS FOR AM STATIONS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087; y=PZpGxFGqBXut5U4FeNiLHlAnPav7LC2KdqF74Ob87k2x3zs1 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don Milbury =20 wrote: > > NAB WANTS FM TRANSLATORS FOR AM STATIONS >=20=20 > The NAB wants the Commission to let AMs use FM translators. > According to Radio World, "Under NAB's proposal, no portion of > the 60 dBu contour of the FM translator may exceed the lesser > of either the 2 mV/m daytime contour of the AM station or a > circle with its center at the AM transmitter site and a radius > of 25 miles."=20=20 >=20 > http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=3D9366 > I agree with this move and I think it could help many small=20 broadcasters. Why shouldn't AM's be allowed to use translators. I=20 think commercial AM's should be allowed to feed translators via=20 other means than over the air as well. Programming should dup 100% and there should be a limit to how many=20 translators an AM station can be on (two should be more than enough=20 to fill fringe holes). But because of poor FCC action with AM over=20 the years (stereo, shoehorning, HD etc) it's time that AM's get a=20 break. BTW: if AM's can make extra $$$ on HD-2's on those translators, they=20 should be allowed to do that as well. From jimbo@burgan.net Thu Jul 20 19:52:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61270 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2006 02:49:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2006 02:49:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pimout1-ext.prodigy.net) (207.115.63.77) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2006 02:49:48 -0000 X-ORBL: [68.76.222.254] Received: from EMACHINE ([68.76.222.254]) by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6L2nD4U130580 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:49:13 -0400 Message-ID: <002901c6ac70$3c5c14a0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:49:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0629-1, 07/19/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.63.77 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FM TRANSLATORS FOR AM STATIONS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=oKu4PTt74O6e5WPVfURghq1LCHixPFT2nXVbLpqiw5D5gRM X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Programming should dup 100% and there should be a limit to how many > translators an AM station can be on (two should be more than enough > to fill fringe holes). But because of poor FCC action with AM over > the years (stereo, shoehorning, HD etc) it's time that AM's get a > break. > > BTW: if AM's can make extra $$$ on HD-2's on those translators, they > should be allowed to do that as well. Our group owns a 500 watt directional daytimer in another small town here in Indiana. We've been talking about putting it on one of our FM HD sub-channels when we put our first FM-IBOC transmitter on the air. So far, there are no rules that I've seen that prohibit this... although the FCC has yet to address most IBOC issues, AM and FM. -Jim- From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 07:18:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34217 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2006 14:13:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2006 14:13:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2006 14:13:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 81871 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jul 2006 14:12:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20060721141232.81869.qmail@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:12:32 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:12:32 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1153486507.1260.63141.m17@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Put AM on the FM HD2 and HD3 channels instead X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=agN1TugEVxqfhLfxXjS_g-dEh3wCWj2ZzY9XmCaspEGqS7-SjVY0ex8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I say forget about IBOC on the AM band and simply simulcast the AM's on the HD2 or HD3 channels on their FM sister stations! Plain and simple. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 21 07:44:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16597 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2006 14:44:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2006 14:44:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.157) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2006 14:44:32 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2006 14:43:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2006 14:43:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2006 14:43:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:43:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060719.114018.3540.5.w6yn@juno.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.248.139.64 From: "Scott Higbee" Subject: Re: FM TRANSLATORS FOR AM STATIONS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=257511206; y=dkVlmKnlYNW5fHI1oboStBwv2i-MJSqTH0ngVAF_VDlORmiKPdXpif-GZ_w_kShN2DFlYA X-Yahoo-Profile: labonte43nc --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don Milbury =20 wrote: > > NAB WANTS FM TRANSLATORS FOR AM STATIONS >=20=20 > The NAB wants the Commission to let AMs use FM translators. > According to Radio World, "Under NAB's proposal, no portion of > the 60 dBu contour of the FM translator may exceed the lesser > of either the 2 mV/m daytime contour of the AM station or a > circle with its center at the AM transmitter site and a radius > of 25 miles."=20=20 >=20 > http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=3D9366 > Isn't the FM band congested enough as it is? I think the FCC=20 should revisit the AM standards instead. In the early days of radio=20 (1920,30 and 40's) I can understand having 50kw unlimited stations=20 throughout the AM band,simply because there wasn't that many=20 stations operating, but now?=20=20 I think alot of the lower power AM's would love to get the chance to=20 increase their daytime or nighttime power instead of trying to=20 operate a station during the day or night that can be barely heard=20 across the street from the tower let alone across town. 50kw=20 unlimited isn't needed anymore, with the exception of rural areas. I say get rid of the "clear channel designation" and open up the=20 AM band simular to what the FCC did with the extended band 10kw/1kw=20 in most areas.=20=20 From w6yn@juno.com Fri Jul 21 11:02:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42926 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2006 17:59:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2006 17:59:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2006 17:59:02 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABCNCFPHANKMZV2 for (sender ); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:57:59 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLATN6pJw7zyHn9lBZj7vghg= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LVTSTDWH; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:57:21 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:47:51 -0700 Message-ID: <20060721.105643.3340.3.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,12-13,18-19,27-28,34-35,39-40,43-44,47-48,52-53,56-57,59-90 X-ContentStamp: 31:15:2785446241 X-MAIL-INFO:5cd995699c798c196c796cec7d2de92d00ccd5fc61b13c39b8bd6dd16d493c3125a1212939cded49edf93539317c2875ec95813128adb9a9a8d995d9a19dd8dd X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FM TRANSLATORS FOR AM STATIONS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=BSvRVv5_8EWoHjHf9TYTCH1voRpSodEKpsuLFg-X8Q X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn NAB Cites Interference to AMs in Translator Petition More details on NAB's petition that the FCC allow AMs to use FM translators: Electromagnetic interference to AM stations is increasing, says NAB. Such "interference generated by power lines, computers, traffic signals sensors, electric motors, fluorescent lighting, RF from cable TV lines, and certain kinds of medical equipment often disrupt the strength and clarity of AM radio signals. In particular, power utility poles made of metal, which are rapidly replacing wooden poles, can radiate AM signals, creating distortion and nulling a station's signal in parts of the intended coverage area." Underground sensors that trigger traffic signals have also become a problem. The 50,000 watt signal of WSM(AM), Nashville, Tenn., is wiped out at the busiest intersection in the entire State of Tennessee, located in Murfreesboro, because of interference from an underground traffic sensor, states the trade group. Several NAB members with AM stations report coverage area losses of 80% to 95% at night when they must protect clear channels. This will become worse starting in 2007, when Daylight Saving Time will begin three weeks earlier in March of that year. "Consequently, many AM stations, and particularly daytime-only services, will completely lose an entire hour of early morning drive-time programming or be forced to operate at very low power during that vitally important hour," states NAB in its petition. NAB realizes the commission has rejected the notion of allowing AMs to use FM translators before, citing previous similar requests and FCC rejections in 1981 and 1990. One such request that remains pending came from the defunct AM owner group ACAMBA in 1999. NAB opposed that, arguing it wasn't the right time to delve into the issue since the commission had just launched the proceedings to establish IBOC and LPFM. Now is the time to reconsider the request, says NAB, as IBOC service will soon be available in 50 markets, including 42 of the top 50 and AM stations are "encountering more interference problems as a result of an increase in ambient noise." NAB believes its petition is consistent with FCC's efforts to help AMs, such as allowing some facilities to migrate to the expanded AM band to ease congestion in that service. "Allowing AM radio stations to license and/or operate FM translators would be a consistent, logical extension of this long-term effort," states the trade group. AM radio formats often focus on "local, community-responsive issues to distinguish themselves in an increasingly competitive market." All-news, all-sports, 24-hour talk radio and religious programming formats are common and 91.5% of news/talk formats are on AM, according to NAB. AM ownership is diverse. According to BIA there are approximately 4,814 AM radio stations licensed in the United States. These stations are owned by some 2,452 different owners. On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 06:16:42 -0000 "Mike" writes: > > > > I agree with this move and I think it could help many small > broadcasters. Why shouldn't AM's be allowed to use translators. I > > think commercial AM's should be allowed to feed translators via > other means than over the air as well. > > Programming should dup 100% and there should be a limit to how many > > translators an AM station can be on (two should be more than enough > > to fill fringe holes). But because of poor FCC action with AM over > > the years (stereo, shoehorning, HD etc) it's time that AM's get a > break. > > BTW: if AM's can make extra $$$ on HD-2's on those translators, they > > should be allowed to do that as well. > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don Milbury > wrote: > > > > NAB WANTS FM TRANSLATORS FOR AM STATIONS > > > > The NAB wants the Commission to let AMs use FM translators. > > According to Radio World, "Under NAB's proposal, no portion of > > the 60 dBu contour of the FM translator may exceed the lesser > > of either the 2 mV/m daytime contour of the AM station or a > > circle with its center at the AM transmitter site and a radius > > of 25 miles." From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 15:29:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44007 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2006 22:26:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2006 22:26:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52008.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.91) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2006 22:26:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 8701 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jul 2006 22:26:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20060721222604.8699.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.183.166.167] by web52008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:26:04 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:26:04 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060721.105643.3340.3.w6yn@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Rage against the satellators (was something else) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=hscSLTu7o-m1B3fRHlhJQHnLayRGLzgQr_Aus-RNGyrvBgNQ2UYK X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio The F.M. band is littered with these damn xlators as it is! Do we need more? NO! In fact, TIGHTEN THE RULES ON XLATORS, especially the sattelators! Xlators should just be used to rebroadcast the primary signal of its parent in the parent station's radius, AND NO MORE! You know what, if NPR and the piggy religious broadcasters go bankrupt, then GOOD! Both of 'em are useless! Return 88-92Mc. to the kids, and get the hell off the dial! You're not needed AT ALL! Plus, keep the power levels in the 88-92Mc. range to 6kW max. But the NAB (without periods because the N.A.B. wants to NAB the public airwaves) and the now-impotent F.C.C. won't let community broadcasters on because of "protection." WHAT A RACKET! RICO, anyone?! What protection? An LPFM can't go on 93.7 in Providence, but a translator (W229AN) for a piggy religious outlet can?!?! 400kc. from a 50kW operation (WHJY/94.1)? How is it that L.P.F.M.s @ 100W can be ---SOOOOOO THREATENING--- to these stations, but a 250W translator is perfectly fine? Please, someone tell me! If I EVER get the priviledge of being a public trustee of the airwaves (read "station owner"), the 1st thing I will do is tell the state ass'n. of broadcasters where to go & how to get there! Another thing: while in principle IBOC on AM is better that what we currently have with these damn lazy-ass mono operations (provided the IBOC station is stereo. I mean after all, it IS AM and it IS stereo!) the mediumwave spectrum isn't suited for digital. What's wrong with the L-Band?! This is equivalent to if in 1939 the F.C.C. implemented F.M. on 540-1600kc.! Put digital where it belongs, in the L-Band, and let it grow like FM did! Don't get rid of the current 2 services! Let analog die on its own terms, if it even does. Don't shove this new piggyback system down our throats! But, as I say, at least it IS a form of stereo, so stereo IBOC is better in my book than mono. Mono: BLECCH! One final rant: Kahn's stereo system. I am so *SICK* of hearing about the AM stereo debacle of the 1980s. If anything, it should have been the Magnavox system that got okayed because it sounded better. TO HELL WITH "COVERAGE." I'm so damn sick of hearing about how Kahn's system provided the best "coverage." Yeah, and ya know what? IT SOUNDED TERRIBLE! At least C-QUAM sounds better than most F.M.s! If you don't believe me, listen to WJIB/740! Now granted, the only cases of Magnavox & Kahn that I've heard were from sound clips from one of the old AM stereo e-mail lists' websites but still, Kahn sounded terrible, and C-QUAM has evolved. But again, at least it isn't mono and I have to respect any owner that at least TRIED an AM stereo system. Now why they continue to carry a grudge 20 years later is beyond me. Okay, done now. Hate me if you will. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 16:31:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2044 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2006 23:28:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2006 23:28:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.205) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2006 23:28:29 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2006 23:28:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2006 23:28:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2006 23:28:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 23:28:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060721222604.8699.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.5.129 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Rage against the satellators (was something else) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=38D5Vc00ZkYDPLVoF53JXqOvKP1uvLJBjDZMfuK85uKPKdhc X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie 1: IBOC on AM: IBOC is not AM stereo, as AM is not a component of the stereo=20 transmission. The fact it's on the "AM broadcast band (officially,=20 it's either "mediumwave" or "broadcast band" (BCB); "AM" is the=20 principle modulation system.) Every analogue AM stereo system, as=20 well as Kahn's "CAM-D" hybrid system, uses AM as a component of it's=20 stereo broadcasting. Not IBOC, which just uses AM to fall back onn=20 when the digital goes *pffft!* 2: Kahn's ISB and "coverage"... I don't know where THIS came from, but ISB has one advantage only: it=20 does not reqauire the use of a decated decoder/demodulator to receive=20 the stereo compinents. Yes, the Magnavox AM-PM system should've been the one, but Harris=20 complained, since they were already implementing their VCPM system on=20 over a dozen stations when the FCC made their initial decision in=20 the '80s AMS debacle. (And the RCA/Belar AM-FM system, a modified=20 version of RCA's AM-FM system of the 1960s, had already bowed out by=20 the time the Magnavox decision happened.) But as there were only=20 *SIX* Magnavox stations ever....... I personally believe that anyone should have the right to broadcast=20 whatever AMS system they choose to, providing they heed the caveats:=20 (1) There might not be any receivers if they choose something other=20 than the accepted standard, and (2a) they don't cause any=20 interferednce and (2b) they remain transparent to the non-stereo=20 receiver. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From tomray@wor710.com Fri Jul 21 17:03:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81051 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2006 23:59:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2006 23:59:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2006 23:59:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2006 23:59:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2006 23:59:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 23:59:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060721222604.8699.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Rage against the satellators (was something else) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=ofL6-zynuxryh2cdW2GzzoLvYOvq0ME0oVAcDkchDQxUwKoi X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > Another thing: while in principle IBOC on AM is > better that what we currently have with these > damn lazy-ass mono operations (provided the IBOC > station is stereo. I mean after all, it IS AM > and it IS stereo!) the mediumwave spectrum isn't > suited for digital. What's wrong with the > L-Band?! This is equivalent to if in 1939 the > F.C.C. implemented F.M. on 540-1600kc.! Put > digital where it belongs, in the L-Band, and let > it grow like FM did!=20=20 What's wrong with L band? First, the US military has a good portion of L band tied up and will not give up their portion of the spectrum. Second, propagation. You would need either an incredible amount of power or many, many transmitters to equal the coverage of any AM or FM station on the air today. Third, get into a city situation (such as NYC), and it becomes a nightmare. One study I've seen on covering NYC with L band would require minimum 77 transmitters! And that's just in the City, not counting any area outside the City. THAT would be an absolute nightmare, and would turn out to be incredibly expensive for broadcasters to 'rent' their space on these transmitters. Tom Ray WOR, New York From jon@kenneke.com Fri Jul 21 17:15:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon@kenneke.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81991 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2006 00:15:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2006 00:15:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenneke.com) (65.103.64.194) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2006 00:15:27 -0000 Received: from kenneke.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by kenneke.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6M0F47t030006 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 17:15:04 -0700 Received: from localhost (jon@localhost) by kenneke.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id k6M0F47T030003 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 17:15:04 -0700 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 17:15:04 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060721222604.8699.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20060721222604.8699.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.7.4 (kenneke.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 17:15:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: 65.103.64.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: jon Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rage against the satellators (was something else) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77819664; y=LVK9Dh0wmQpQQdajggYcgdXJIO-l3vZdE_O3rHpwWPU16nlkWw X-Yahoo-Profile: jonkenneke I mostly agree with you: The huge abundance of the preaching garbage we have is tiring. Yes, there as some rare local religious stations that are great, but the satellator's junk, is, well junk. That uses up space that a good local station could use. The problem with LPFM is that most of the licensees are...well, see above. What we need is *real* community radio...keep the greedy churches/ministries out of it. L-Band is not a good idea. Satellite radio might be a good place for the preachy crap. Hmmmmmm. J On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, JNR wrote: > The F.M. band is littered with these damn xlators > as it is! Do we need more? NO! In fact, > TIGHTEN THE RULES ON XLATORS, especially the > sattelators! Xlators should just be used to > rebroadcast the primary signal of its parent in > the parent station's radius, AND NO MORE! You > know what, if NPR and the piggy religious > broadcasters go bankrupt, then GOOD! Both of 'em > are useless! Return 88-92Mc. to the kids, and > get the hell off the dial! You're not needed AT > ALL! Plus, keep the power levels in the 88-92Mc. > range to 6kW max. But the NAB (without periods > because the N.A.B. wants to NAB the public > airwaves) and the now-impotent F.C.C. won't let > community broadcasters on because of > "protection." WHAT A RACKET! RICO, anyone?! > What protection? An LPFM can't go on 93.7 in > Providence, but a translator (W229AN) for a piggy > religious outlet can?!?! 400kc. from a 50kW > operation (WHJY/94.1)? How is it that L.P.F.M.s > @ 100W can be ---SOOOOOO THREATENING--- to these > stations, but a 250W translator is perfectly > fine? Please, someone tell me! > > If I EVER get the priviledge of being a public > trustee of the airwaves (read "station owner"), > the 1st thing I will do is tell the state ass'n. > of broadcasters where to go & how to get there! > > Another thing: while in principle IBOC on AM is > better that what we currently have with these > damn lazy-ass mono operations (provided the IBOC > station is stereo. I mean after all, it IS AM > and it IS stereo!) the mediumwave spectrum isn't > suited for digital. What's wrong with the > L-Band?! This is equivalent to if in 1939 the > F.C.C. implemented F.M. on 540-1600kc.! Put > digital where it belongs, in the L-Band, and let > it grow like FM did! Don't get rid of the > current 2 services! Let analog die on its own > terms, if it even does. Don't shove this new > piggyback system down our throats! But, as I > say, at least it IS a form of stereo, so stereo > IBOC is better in my book than mono. Mono: > BLECCH! > > One final rant: Kahn's stereo system. I am so > *SICK* of hearing about the AM stereo debacle of > the 1980s. If anything, it should have been the > Magnavox system that got okayed because it > sounded better. TO HELL WITH "COVERAGE." I'm so > damn sick of hearing about how Kahn's system > provided the best "coverage." Yeah, and ya know > what? IT SOUNDED TERRIBLE! At least C-QUAM > sounds better than most F.M.s! If you don't > believe me, listen to WJIB/740! Now granted, the > only cases of Magnavox & Kahn that I've heard > were from sound clips from one of the old AM > stereo e-mail lists' websites but still, Kahn > sounded terrible, and C-QUAM has evolved. But > again, at least it isn't mono and I have to > respect any owner that at least TRIED an AM > stereo system. Now why they continue to carry a > grudge 20 years later is beyond me. > > Okay, done now. Hate me if you will. > > Jay > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Fri Jul 21 18:52:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61894 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2006 01:52:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2006 01:52:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2006 01:52:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2006 01:52:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2006 01:52:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 01:52:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060721222604.8699.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.108.129.144 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: Rage against the satellators (was something else) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=oRvrF1ZeGrnmMy7oC_zQxDgt_zw9zWnS6PgXukZ7a0t2pOUW23Rw9w X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 When you consider that broadcasting in the U.S. is truly undergoing a parad= igm shift (hate=20 that expression), it is time for the FCC to totally re-think how the radio = spectrum is being=20 utilized. Is it being used efficiently, given that much of the rules on th= e FCC's books is=20 based on 40's and 50's technology? Are the clear channel stations still ne= eded in light of=20 current technology; WiMAX, cell phones, satellite radio, etc.? More and mo= re IBOC is=20 looking like a band-aid that's lost its adhesive. Should the FCC take a cu= e from the Brits=20 and but digital radio on a totally different band? Are the current rules o= n spacing for FM=20 still applicable? What can be done to stimulate more growth and interest in= AM? These=20 and many more are questions the FCC should be asking instead of allowing it= self to be=20 lead along by the NAB and other special interests who are desperate to keep= the status=20 quo and patch up existing standards to their benefit.=20 Nothing should be "grandfathered"; everything should be re-examined. Yes, = the satellator=20 issue is a travesty but it is only the tip of a very nasty iceberg the FCC = and Congress has=20 let grow for too long. On a different note: According to Radio World the Jack format is slipping i= n major markets=20 and losing listeners. I guess the programming genius behind Jack was just = a radio=20 programmer like any other after all. db --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > The F.M. band is littered with these damn xlators > as it is! Do we need more? NO! In fact, > TIGHTEN THE RULES ON XLATORS, especially the > sattelators! Xlators should just be used to > rebroadcast the primary signal of its parent in > the parent station's radius, AND NO MORE! You > know what, if NPR and the piggy religious > broadcasters go bankrupt, then GOOD! Both of 'em > are useless! Return 88-92Mc. to the kids, and > get the hell off the dial! You're not needed AT > ALL! Plus, keep the power levels in the 88-92Mc. > range to 6kW max. But the NAB (without periods > because the N.A.B. wants to NAB the public > airwaves) and the now-impotent F.C.C. won't let > community broadcasters on because of > "protection." WHAT A RACKET! RICO, anyone?!=20 > What protection? An LPFM can't go on 93.7 in > Providence, but a translator (W229AN) for a piggy > religious outlet can?!?! 400kc. from a 50kW > operation (WHJY/94.1)? How is it that L.P.F.M.s > @ 100W can be ---SOOOOOO THREATENING--- to these > stations, but a 250W translator is perfectly > fine? Please, someone tell me! >=20 > If I EVER get the priviledge of being a public > trustee of the airwaves (read "station owner"), > the 1st thing I will do is tell the state ass'n. > of broadcasters where to go & how to get there! >=20 > Another thing: while in principle IBOC on AM is > better that what we currently have with these > damn lazy-ass mono operations (provided the IBOC > station is stereo. I mean after all, it IS AM > and it IS stereo!) the mediumwave spectrum isn't > suited for digital. What's wrong with the > L-Band?! This is equivalent to if in 1939 the > F.C.C. implemented F.M. on 540-1600kc.! Put > digital where it belongs, in the L-Band, and let > it grow like FM did! Don't get rid of the > current 2 services! Let analog die on its own > terms, if it even does. Don't shove this new > piggyback system down our throats! But, as I > say, at least it IS a form of stereo, so stereo > IBOC is better in my book than mono. Mono: > BLECCH! >=20 > One final rant: Kahn's stereo system. I am so > *SICK* of hearing about the AM stereo debacle of > the 1980s. If anything, it should have been the > Magnavox system that got okayed because it > sounded better. TO HELL WITH "COVERAGE." I'm so > damn sick of hearing about how Kahn's system > provided the best "coverage." Yeah, and ya know > what? IT SOUNDED TERRIBLE! At least C-QUAM > sounds better than most F.M.s! If you don't > believe me, listen to WJIB/740! Now granted, the > only cases of Magnavox & Kahn that I've heard > were from sound clips from one of the old AM > stereo e-mail lists' websites but still, Kahn > sounded terrible, and C-QUAM has evolved. But > again, at least it isn't mono and I have to > respect any owner that at least TRIED an AM > stereo system. Now why they continue to carry a > grudge 20 years later is beyond me. >=20 > Okay, done now. Hate me if you will. >=20 > Jay >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com > From badeditpro@charter.net Sat Jul 22 11:39:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64151 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2006 18:39:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2006 18:39:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf21.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.221) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2006 18:39:18 -0000 Received: from mxip11a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip11a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.141]) by mxsf21.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k6MId70X001551 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:39:07 -0400 Received: from 24-241-15-183.dhcp.rnrp.nc.charter.com (HELO yourfd6nvjcer4) ([24.241.15.183]) by mxip11a.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 22 Jul 2006 14:39:07 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.07,171,1151899200"; d="scan'208,217"; a="618263074:sNHT28429538" Message-ID: <002501c6adbe$1cff9060$b70ff118@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:39:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.28.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: RE: Changes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=XpcWx8H1ihe4_3dc57lcvVtlCbC8-OmKWxI3QkDeAw037Ud2R7EOFOlCTbUb X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Are the clear channel stations still needed in light of current technology; WiMAX, cell phones, satellite radio, etc.?" The very first thing to go down during hurricane Isabel was the internet. Cell phones were also greatly compromised and land line phone service was spotty at best.... Unless you had a battery powered portable TV, the only game in town for finding out what was going on was radio.... AM radio. That's the only connection we had to the outside world for 6 days without power. If you have generators at both the studio and TX sites and a local STL system, i. e. not Internet or T1, you have a real god shot at staying on the air during a disaster. Radio is simple, the receivers are ubiquitous and you can get one that ruins on a cracks, or if worst come to worst, you can scrounge some parts and build a crystal set.... If there should ever be a large scale disaster that effect a big geographic area, you can bet that those "grandfather" class 1A clear channels are going to be the only place where you can find out what's going on. Most new media goes through many different relay sites before it gets to the end user. All those interconnections make them vulnerable. Radio is simple and reliable even in the most severe of conditions I get nervous when I here people say that radio is obsolete or should be 're-thought'.... radio is the only medium that will be working afar the 'big one' hits... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 12:39:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27992 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2006 19:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2006 19:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2006 19:39:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n16.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2006 19:38:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2006 19:38:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:38:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002501c6adbe$1cff9060$b70ff118@yourfd6nvjcer4> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.28.180 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Changes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=KUH5wpFYu83ScgsrTxZdZMHvqBgzp8OsR-xDSY_JVqMDyl_J X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Joe, you mentioned Hurricane Isabel, but I thing a far, far better=20 example you could've mentioned, I'll just mention in two words: "Katrina" and "WWL". 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Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Jul 22 13:39:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+hvMc+31+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31189 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2006 20:38:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2006 20:38:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2006 20:38:07 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.226]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 101084691 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:38:05 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004101c6adcf$6981fd40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060721222604.8699.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:42:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 11, in=11, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.226 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rage against the satellators (was something else) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=dp3fOxraE3JFu4d-MPJisnEvzjxNrvyqE1OLfLDvvXohoOv7ZFEa X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude P&M about the religious broadcasters all you want, but you're barking up the wrong tree. They were merely taking advantage of something they were given. That rant also doesn't take into account that when the FCC finally DID approve LPFM, many of the very groups that were hollering the loudest didn't have their acts together such that they could even apply for a license. They tended to be the crowd that always seems to want something for nothing. I know that for a fact as my friend, Keith Hammond, actually offered to do the frequency searches and paperwork for no charge. And even at that so many of these groups were so disorganized he gave up in disgust. Eventually half of those licenses went to churches because they were prepared. I do pity those who have had unneeded AFA translators dropped in their area. They don't have a good reputation even in Christian radio circles. Most of what we have around here are music formatted translators and satellators such as K-Love and Air-1. There's also Refuge Radio (WJRF) out of Duluth, but they're not planning on expanding out of the states which border Minn.*, and they do that for good reason. They want to be semi-local so they can promote concerts around the area and even give weather forecasts for their respective markets. I could live with a philosophy like that. Scott Todd *IIRC they do have a translator or two in the UP, but that's not far from their home market. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jon" > > I mostly agree with you: > > The huge abundance of the preaching garbage we have is tiring. Yes, there > as some rare local religious stations that are great, but the satellator's > junk, is, well junk. That uses up space that a good local station could > use. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Jul 22 20:17:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47292 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2006 03:16:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2006 03:16:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s3.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.203) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2006 03:16:48 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.27]) by bay0-omc3-s3.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:16:48 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:16:48 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:16:43 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:16:43 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2006 03:16:48.0350 (UTC) FILETIME=[6F17B7E0:01C6AE06] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rage against the satellators (was something else) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=nFIygQ29z8Z5xvXtb4yzuSowOlOWzIT1SWC_DQ9uxJd3LyhhIAoNesXI6vk X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo As far as translators go, the one I'm most familiar with is near my parents' house, which after hours and hours of listening (when they happen to be on the air), figured out that it's a translator of a religious station in Orlando (50 miles away). It was almost impossible to i.d. since the parent station in Orlando doesn't seem to i.d. at the top of the hour and there was nothing live or local to give me a clue as to where the parent station was broadcasting from, I finally did catch an i.d. The other thing is that apprarently everything is operated with timers and remotes and the translator will go on and off the air at random times, so for someone listening to a particular program, it must be irriatating to have the station go off the air in the middle of the program, the station is sometimes off the air for just 30 minutes or so and other times, several hours.(one time they were off the air a day and a half) As far as local community stations, that takes a lot of work and money, we had one here in St Petersburg in the late 1980's, that was live and local for 18 hours a day for about 6 months and then Family Radio bought the station and now there is one hour of live and local programming per week, no weather at all; but those with the money are able to purchase and run these stations as they see fit, since the FCC has long since abdicated their oversight on any minimum requirements for live and local programming. Donn, seldom terrestrial radio listener From: "Scott Todd" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rage against the satellators (was something else) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:42:52 -0500 P&M about the religious broadcasters all you want, but you're barking up the wrong tree. They were merely taking advantage of something they were given. That rant also doesn't take into account that when the FCC finally DID approve LPFM, many of the very groups that were hollering the loudest didn't have their acts together such that they could even apply for a license. They tended to be the crowd that always seems to want something for nothing. I know that for a fact as my friend, Keith Hammond, actually offered to do the frequency searches and paperwork for no charge. And even at that so many of these groups were so disorganized he gave up in disgust. Eventually half of those licenses went to churches because they were prepared. I do pity those who have had unneeded AFA translators dropped in their area. They don't have a good reputation even in Christian radio circles. Most of what we have around here are music formatted translators and satellators such as K-Love and Air-1. There's also Refuge Radio (WJRF) out of Duluth, but they're not planning on expanding out of the states which border Minn.*, and they do that for good reason. They want to be semi-local so they can promote concerts around the area and even give weather forecasts for their respective markets. I could live with a philosophy like that. Scott Todd *IIRC they do have a translator or two in the UP, but that's not far from their home market. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jon" > >I mostly agree with you: > >The huge abundance of the preaching garbage we have is tiring. Yes, there >as some rare local religious stations that are great, but the satellator's >junk, is, well junk. That uses up space that a good local station could >use. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Jul 22 20:26:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43311 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2006 03:26:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2006 03:26:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.207) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2006 03:26:47 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.35]) by bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:26:45 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:26:45 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:26:41 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:26:41 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2006 03:26:45.0188 (UTC) FILETIME=[D2D5F840:01C6AE07] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: RE: {AMSF} RE: Changes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=pS0DMKJPny4nEG6zgoQ44__kW6mIns9bdm-umcIy2cAIBuBqdUJr5Zwisa0 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Joe, Your post hit the nail on the head. Even though radio where I live is a vast wasteland (both am and fm), I do know in an emergency, even the Clear Channel (the corporation) stations can suddenly get serious and actually do live and local, the same for the Cox radio chain. The people, who mistakenly think that the internet is a substitute for radio, don't consider that if you're on the road and want traffic and weather or news, you're not (at least not now for most of us) are going to have an internet connection in your vehicle. And if you're outdoors, a portable radio is much easier to carry around than a laptop, even if you're in a Wi-Fi zone. Donn in the am stereo free zone of St Petersburg >From: "Joe Collins" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: "AM Stereo Forum" >Subject: {AMSF} RE: Changes >Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:39:06 -0400 > >"Are the clear channel stations still needed in light of >current technology; WiMAX, cell phones, satellite radio, etc.?" > >The very first thing to go down during hurricane Isabel was the internet. >Cell phones were also greatly compromised and land line phone service was >spotty at best.... Unless you had a battery powered portable TV, the only >game in town for finding out what was going on was radio.... AM radio. >That's the only connection we had to the outside world for 6 days without >power. If you have generators at both the studio and TX sites and a local >STL system, i. e. not Internet or T1, you have a real god shot at staying >on the air during a disaster. Radio is simple, the receivers are >ubiquitous and you can get one that ruins on a cracks, or if worst come to >worst, you can scrounge some parts and build a crystal set.... > >If there should ever be a large scale disaster that effect a big geographic >area, you can bet that those "grandfather" class 1A clear channels are >going to be the only place where you can find out what's going on. Most >new media goes through many different relay sites before it gets to the end >user. All those interconnections make them vulnerable. Radio is simple >and reliable even in the most severe of conditions I get nervous when I >here people say that radio is obsolete or should be 're-thought'.... radio >is the only medium that will be working afar the 'big one' hits... > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 20:38:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19252 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2006 03:38:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2006 03:38:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2006 03:38:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2006 03:38:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2006 03:38:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:38:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.60.191 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: Changes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=q4xD2C1oVxNg6NigiD6AdMMiGtRvgWLIY4Tvoyc12RVPcpyZ X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman"=20 wrote: > > The people, who mistakenly think that the internet is a substitute=20 for=20 > radio, don't consider that if you're on the road and want traffic and=20 > weather or news, you're not (at least not now for most of us) are=20 going to=20 > have an internet connection in your vehicle. XM, Sirius..... > And if you're outdoors, a portable radio is much easier to carry=20 around than=20 > a laptop, even if you're in a Wi-Fi zone. PDAs, man. Palm or Pocket PC.... (I have a WiFi Pocket PC....) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Jul 22 21:20:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99308 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2006 04:20:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2006 04:20:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.196) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2006 04:20:45 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n5.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2006 04:20:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2006 04:20:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2006 04:20:45 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 04:20:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.99.80.69 From: "florida_amsstereo" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: Changes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=UrRt2He7_sYpvTXZ_3oLNQx6RKe9DtctYSmExTpQLQ8yjERuVkNep-NYzis X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo I guess I didn't make my point too well, as to why there is no=20 substtue for radio in emergencies, unless one has their own=20 generator, the WiFi zones may not be working if the elctrical power=20 and/or cable systems are down. I do have XM in the car and I'm lucky to live in a metro area that=20 XM has local traffic and weather, If I lived in Omaha, Oklahome City=20 or any of many cities and towns in tornado alley, I would not have=20 access to local weather and traffic even with XM; ALSO, in the event=20 of a power failure and being indoors (i.e. hurricane etc), the XM=20 devices that operate on battery power really devour the=20 batteries,much more so that a portable radio, which of course, you=20 can get models where batteries aren't even necessary, just crank it=20 u; to my knowlege, neither XM or Sirius have any crank up powered=20 boomboxes or portable units. So, I still think there's an important role for radio to play, even=20 though the stations/corporations don't want to take part in that=20 importnat role most of the time. Donn in the am stereo free zone of St. Petersburg --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman"=20 > wrote: > > > > The people, who mistakenly think that the internet is a=20 substitute=20 > for=20 > > radio, don't consider that if you're on the road and want=20 traffic and=20 > > weather or news, you're not (at least not now for most of us)=20 are=20 > going to=20 > > have an internet connection in your vehicle. >=20 > XM, Sirius..... >=20 > > And if you're outdoors, a portable radio is much easier to carry=20 > around than=20 > > a laptop, even if you're in a Wi-Fi zone. >=20 > PDAs, man. Palm or Pocket PC.... (I have a WiFi Pocket PC....) >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 21:38:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48059 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2006 04:38:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2006 04:38:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.186) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2006 04:38:29 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2006 04:38:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2006 04:38:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2006 04:38:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 04:38:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.60.191 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: Changes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=WmkLYVAHVagcgK4skToOMnC3wmwaAn3-PnT-1i_ke6gn0dCf X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "florida_amsstereo"=20 wrote: > > I guess I didn't make my point too well, as to why there is no=20 > substtue for radio in emergencies, unless one has their own=20 > generator, the WiFi zones may not be working if the elctrical power=20 > and/or cable systems are down. Actually, I'm in agreement with you. I was simply pointing out that=20 your example of laptops wasn't a good one. The same argument holds for cellphones, especially now that you can=20 get internet radio via cellphone these days. > I do have XM in the car and I'm lucky to live in a metro area that=20 > XM has local traffic and weather, If I lived in Omaha, Oklahome=20 City=20 > or any of many cities and towns in tornado alley, I would not have=20 > access to local weather and traffic even with XM; ALSO, in the=20 event=20 > of a power failure and being indoors (i.e. hurricane etc), the XM=20 > devices that operate on battery power really devour the=20 > batteries,much more so that a portable radio, which of course, you=20 > can get models where batteries aren't even necessary, just crank it=20 > u; to my knowlege, neither XM or Sirius have any crank up powered=20 > boomboxes or portable units. Agreed- I haven't tried any of the portable "XM2Go" devices to see=20 how well they deal, especially on battery usage (I have just the=20 Delphi SkyFi boombox), but there is the emergency service channel,=20 247, for things like these. (I'm one of many outside the metro=20 traffic & weather locations, being that I live in a predominantly=20 rural part of northerwestern California, so...) > So, I still think there's an important role for radio to play, even=20 > though the stations/corporations don't want to take part in that=20 > importnat role most of the time. As I mentioned earlier, New Orleans' WWL was THE lifeline for=20 southeastern Louisiana and all along the northe3rn Gulf shore from=20 Houston to Tallahassee, and remained so for many weeks and monnths=20 after Katrina last year. If there is EVER an example of a need for=20 radio, and especially the old "clear channel" class of stations- and=20 the original purpose they were inded for back in the 1940s!- the case=20 of WWL is just that. And it couldn't work with IBOC. It just=20 couldn't, not with its limitations! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From badeditpro@charter.net Sat Jul 22 22:51:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70175 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2006 05:51:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2006 05:51:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf30.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.230) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2006 05:51:56 -0000 Received: from mxip26a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip26a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.181]) by mxsf30.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k6N5ptwW029321 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 01:51:55 -0400 Received: from 24-241-15-183.dhcp.rnrp.nc.charter.com (HELO yourfd6nvjcer4) ([24.241.15.183]) by mxip26a.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 23 Jul 2006 01:51:56 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.07,171,1151899200"; d="scan'208,217"; a="1435735622:sNHT29334260" Message-ID: <000e01c6ae1c$19f2aed0$b70ff118@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 01:51:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.28.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: RE: Canges X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=Mg4r4KYCSqfaWXl5OkK13_uW03m2Av_t3TzdanGH5rrhJe8SAXf6GAWDEXcV X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes Amy, Katrina was a much worse storm and WWL did a wonderful service to their community. The reason I talked about Isabel was because that was one I went through personally... The crew at WNIS did an outstanding job of covering the storm and stuck with it 24 hours a day until things started to get back to normal. Do we need to re-evaluate our policies concerning radio in this country? Sure. I agree with most of what I read in the rant.... My poorly typed response was in regards to that one line that caught my eye. There is great divide in this country between the 'haves' and 'have- nots', technologically speaking. It is easy for the 'haves' to say that we should retire the old services like land lines and radio. It seems that they lose sight of the reality that everyone is not plugged in yet.... and will, most likely, never be. It is an arrogant way of looking at things. Like I pointed out before, ALL of the new media, satellite radio included, has many links in the chain before it gets to the end user and should not be relied upon for emergency service. All it would take to knock out the Internet, cell phones, 90 percent of the land line service and most of the satellite uplinks would be a couple of statistically placed nuclear blasts. The EMP would fry all of the integrated switching circuits and that would be it. I remember reading back in the 80's that some military personnel were laughing about the fact that captured Russian MiG fighters still had vacuum tubes in their avionics... The laughing stopped when someone pointed out the fact that tube type circuits were more robust against EMP and stood a better chance of working after a nearby nuclear detonation. I'm not trying to be an alarmist but I do think we should beware of over dependence on centralized media. Radio has an almost 80 year head start on everything else and it is decentralized. There are more than 11,000 transmitters in the US and there's no way all of them could be silenced. And.... There are still plenty of tube type transmitters still out there. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 23:35:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63356 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2006 06:35:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2006 06:35:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.210) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2006 06:35:51 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2006 06:35:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2006 06:35:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2006 06:35:49 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 06:35:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000e01c6ae1c$19f2aed0$b70ff118@yourfd6nvjcer4> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.0.9 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Canges X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=tOulkUU8qyW8I2kXjuQ1A4yZA3za3BMbqV1FQyYhKr9gxMr5 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Collins" =20 wrote: > > Yes Amy, Katrina was a much worse storm and WWL did a wonderful=20 service to their community. The reason I talked about Isabel was=20 because that was one I went through personally... The crew at WNIS=20 did an outstanding job of covering the storm and stuck with it 24=20 hours a day until things started to get back to normal.=20=20 Just as when we had our massive New Year's storms (wind, rain, flash=20 flooding- We're STILL recovering them that!) this year, it was=20 Garberville's KHUM-FM that kept my region informed while the powerr=20 was out for a week, roads closed, etc. None of the3 other stations=20 did anything- And they got nationally recognised for their community=20 service during our winter troubles. > Do we need to re-evaluate our policies concerning radio in this=20 country? Sure. I agree with most of what I read in the rant.... My=20 poorly typed response was in regards to that one line that caught my=20 eye. There is great divide in this country between the 'haves'=20 and 'have- nots', technologically speaking. It is easy for=20 the 'haves' to say that we should retire the old services like land=20 lines and radio. It seems that they lose sight of the reality that=20 everyone is not plugged in yet.... and will, most likely, never be.=20=20 It is an arrogant way of looking at things. Like I pointed out=20 before, ALL of the new media, satellite radio included, has many=20 links in the chain before it gets to the end user and should not be=20 relied upon for emergency service. There are millions who can't afford the latest gadgets, and I still=20 think of it as laughable about the efforts to close the "Digital=20 Divide", considering how many, even in THIS country, are lucky just=20 to have roofs over the3ir heads, much less any service and equipment=20 that cost money they don't have. For many, they're lucky if they got a $30 radio second-hand 20 years=20 ago, and don't see the point of getting rid of it just because some=20 elitists call their system "obsolete". And in this country with a=20 BILLION analogue AM and FM radios still in use.... Who's gonna PAY=20 for replacing them? > All it would take to knock out the Internet, cell phones, 90=20 percent of the land line service and most of the satellite uplinks=20 would be a couple of statistically placed nuclear blasts. The EMP=20 would fry all of the integrated switching circuits and that would be=20 it. I remember reading back in the 80's that some military personnel=20 were laughing about the fact that captured Russian MiG fighters still=20 had vacuum tubes in their avionics... The laughing stopped when=20 someone pointed out the fact that tube type circuits were more robust=20 against EMP and stood a better chance of working after a nearby=20 nuclear detonation.=20=20 Actually, there's a better example, something more likely to happen,=20 and no way from stopping it from happening-- Solar flares! We've been=20 lucky that the really big ones have not hit us head-on, only the=20 smalledr ones.... But they still knock out satellites, disrupt power=20 grids and cellphone networks-- You get the picture... We're so=20 satellite-dependent that all the services we've become accustomed=20 with are really that vulnerable, and expensive to replace. Sure,=20 they're just now starting to implement some truly robust circuitry in=20 satellites, but it will take decades for the transition to be fully=20 implemented, and even then, they may only take 2-5x more of a blow=20 than they can currently take.... So we're STILL vulnerable, while our=20 Sun still kicks up some fits every so often.... > I'm not trying to be an alarmist but I do think we should beware of=20 over dependence on centralized media. Radio has an almost 80 year=20 head start on everything else and it is decentralized. There are=20 more than 11,000 transmitters in the US and there's no way all of=20 them could be silenced. And.... There are still plenty of tube type=20 transmitters still out there. There are alot of good reasons to keep the "old" broadcast technology=20 alive, alot of it can't even be addressed by current technologies. Not the least, anyone can build a chheap AM or FM radio out of spair=20 parts with only a little knowledge. It's a proven, reliable workhorse technology. (And it's with that in mind that I've been trying to preserve AMS=20 technology- so it'll be there when anyone wants it, and none are=20 bound by anything proprietary.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From norbert_1226@msn.com Sun Jul 23 03:25:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: norbert_1226@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16137 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2006 10:25:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2006 10:25:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s14.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.214) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2006 10:25:46 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.9.25]) by bay0-omc3-s14.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:25:45 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:25:45 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.5 by BAY119-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 10:25:40 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [norbert_1226@msn.com] X-Sender: norbert_1226@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 10:25:40 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2006 10:25:45.0512 (UTC) FILETIME=[5BA2FA80:01C6AE42] Return-Path: norbert_1226@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Norbert Here" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: Canges X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=273767829; y=XM9qSWZL09ngU2zQkVoZutGk8kOPH7DNgjsX6K_1ief2X6n_0wwfhAZcdg X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A major problem i see right now is it's the major 50 KW grandfathered "clears" that are pushing IBOC on the forefront. The biggies like WFAN , WJR, WLW ETC ETC ETC all IBOC. Excuse is coverage beyond city grade contour is not important. The next thing coming down the pike is night time IBOC. once everybody fires it up at night its all over for AM. As we know an IBOC (or HD) radio that will run on batteries is years away yet and as it stands right now IBOC (the digital part) coverage is nowhere near the analog coverage yet the big guns are already looking forward to the day they can shut off analog. -----Original Message----- From: Joe Collins Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 1:51 AM To: AM Stereo Forum Subject: {AMSF} RE: Canges Yes Amy, Katrina was a much worse storm and WWL did a wonderful service to their community. The reason I talked about Isabel was because that was one I went through personally... The crew at WNIS did an outstanding job of covering the storm and stuck with it 24 hours a day until things started to get back to normal. Do we need to re-evaluate our policies concerning radio in this country? Sure. I agree with most of what I read in the rant.... My poorly typed response was in regards to that one line that caught my eye. There is great divide in this country between the 'haves' and 'have- nots', technologically speaking. It is easy for the 'haves' to say that we should retire the old services like land lines and radio. It seems that they lose sight of the reality that everyone is not plugged in yet.... and will, most likely, never be. It is an arrogant way of looking at things. Like I pointed out before, ALL of the new media, satellite radio included, has many links in the chain before it gets to the end user and should not be relied upon for emergency service. All it would take to knock out the Internet, cell phones, 90 percent of the land line service and most of the satellite uplinks would be a couple of statistically placed nuclear blasts. The EMP would fry all of the integrated switching circuits and that would be it. I remember reading back in the 80's that some military personnel were laughing about the fact that captured Russian MiG fighters still had vacuum tubes in their avionics... The laughing stopped when someone pointed out the fact that tube type circuits were more robust against EMP and stood a better chance of working after a nearby nuclear detonation. I'm not trying to be an alarmist but I do think we should beware of over dependence on centralized media. Radio has an almost 80 year head start on everything else and it is decentralized. There are more than 11,000 transmitters in the US and there's no way all of them could be silenced. And.... There are still plenty of tube type transmitters still out there. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Jul 23 06:49:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46121 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2006 13:43:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2006 13:43:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s40.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.240) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2006 13:43:45 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.27]) by bay0-omc3-s40.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 23 Jul 2006 06:43:40 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 06:43:40 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:43:37 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:43:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2006 13:43:40.0008 (UTC) FILETIME=[01634680:01C6AE5E] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: Changes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=uCOE6eiPL50T68_kbV2VLkW-SOXHHi80TvqpulzbPi5NKXooPNpjmwNhclU X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Actually, I thought the laptop analogy was a good one! Even though i have a laptop, I'm still not sold on using a laptop as a substitute for the good old fashioned radio. Radio signals (when the stations have emergency programming)are more readily available, St Petersburg and the surrounding cities are not yet WiFi zones, so unless you go to the library or want a $5 cup of coffee from Starbucks,it may be hard to find a WiFi zone. I would prefer the radio. Many laptops around here "disappear" if left unattended for even a few minutes, and if push came to shove I would rather have an inexpensive radio stolen than a laptop. For people camping, none of the state or county camps in this county have WiFi zones. After Hurricane Charley hit south of here in August of 2004, most cell phone coverage was out, most radio stations remained on the air, but people depending on their cell phones were out of luck for the most part, since over 80 percent of the cell phone towers were down. Radio stations from Sarasota, Venice and Fort Myers have signals that reach into the Punta Gorda area and those stations had extensive coverage of not only the weather, but areas to stay away from, even months later, one of the ClearChannel stations was still having extensive coverage of what was open, what was closed, where people could go to get water, groceries etc and the station (92.9 out of Port Charlotte) was also reporting more than 6 weeks after Charlie hit that most cell phone towers were still down. But other types of emergencies where cell phone towers aren't destroyed, the cell phone could be a substitute; in fact in warms the cockles of my heart to picture a family gathered around the cell phone getting the latest news, weather and emergency info. (hoping that in addition to all their other troubles, they don't exceed their monthly minute levels! :) ) Not everyone can afford an expensive plan that has unlimited minutes day and night. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Amy Mousie" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: Changes Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 04:38:27 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "florida_amsstereo" wrote: > > I guess I didn't make my point too well, as to why there is no > substtue for radio in emergencies, unless one has their own > generator, the WiFi zones may not be working if the elctrical power > and/or cable systems are down. Actually, I'm in agreement with you. I was simply pointing out that your example of laptops wasn't a good one. The same argument holds for cellphones, especially now that you can get internet radio via cellphone these days. > I do have XM in the car and I'm lucky to live in a metro area that > XM has local traffic and weather, If I lived in Omaha, Oklahome City > or any of many cities and towns in tornado alley, I would not have > access to local weather and traffic even with XM; ALSO, in the event > of a power failure and being indoors (i.e. hurricane etc), the XM > devices that operate on battery power really devour the > batteries,much more so that a portable radio, which of course, you > can get models where batteries aren't even necessary, just crank it > u; to my knowlege, neither XM or Sirius have any crank up powered > boomboxes or portable units. Agreed- I haven't tried any of the portable "XM2Go" devices to see how well they deal, especially on battery usage (I have just the Delphi SkyFi boombox), but there is the emergency service channel, 247, for things like these. (I'm one of many outside the metro traffic & weather locations, being that I live in a predominantly rural part of northerwestern California, so...) > So, I still think there's an important role for radio to play, even > though the stations/corporations don't want to take part in that > importnat role most of the time. As I mentioned earlier, New Orleans' WWL was THE lifeline for southeastern Louisiana and all along the northe3rn Gulf shore from Houston to Tallahassee, and remained so for many weeks and monnths after Katrina last year. If there is EVER an example of a need for radio, and especially the old "clear channel" class of stations- and the original purpose they were inded for back in the 1940s!- the case of WWL is just that. And it couldn't work with IBOC. It just couldn't, not with its limitations! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon Jul 24 16:36:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+w3qD+33+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37515 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2006 23:36:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2006 23:36:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2006 23:36:30 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.251]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 101661517 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:36:15 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c6af7a$a4f924a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:40:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 10, in=28, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.251 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ok AMS Fans ASM-1 Coming up for sale :) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=DMpg0n1f0_7bdG_MY_ejr-GkPYzc7SlDImUViauI1T5P-FvhigWY X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I could use one on or about 1470. Got a station that just started airing black gospel here and would like to hear it in stereo. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" > $1000.00 Shipped Con-US via UPS Ground Insured and professionally boxed by > UPS Store. It's in full operating condition and has come out of service less > than a month ago from a 1160khz station in lehighton, pa > I have seen it personally when i was there with their CE who is a friend of > mine. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon Jul 24 16:52:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+w3qD+33+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46493 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2006 23:52:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2006 23:52:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2006 23:52:39 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.251]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 102462412 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:51:46 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <005001c6af7c$cf8f0520$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:56:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 3, in=18, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.251 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rage against the satellators (was something else) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=ofwUoe53ZWGvMCweVfO3PuCJwDTaMmgJkTU3DpoC8OJnGgkEtssV X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I doubt it's timers. I suspect either they have a troublesome unit or another real possibility is that it's losing the parent signal due to tropospheric bending, ducting, or getting some sort of E-skip interference. Being it's FL that's a very real possibility. I'd suspect there's a box attached to the receiver which is looking for something hidden in the parent signal so that when it goes away it shuts the translator down. As a matter of fact, I'm trying to get EMF broadcasting to do that very thing with an AIR-1 translator they'll be installing in Minneapolis. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" > The other thing is that apprarently everything is operated with timers and > remotes and the translator will go on and off the air at random times, so > for someone listening to a particular program, it must be irriatating to > have the station go off the air in the middle of the program, the station is > sometimes off the air for just 30 minutes or so and other times, several > hours.(one time they were off the air a day and a half) > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon Jul 24 16:57:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+w3qD+33+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99630 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2006 23:56:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2006 23:56:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2006 23:56:07 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.251]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 101665392 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:56:02 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <005f01c6af7d$68829940$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <000e01c6ae1c$19f2aed0$b70ff118@yourfd6nvjcer4> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:00:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 10, in=29, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.251 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: Canges X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=QTeYa3gEDuYAE8aVAdvRFtRCuLzgiP6WX9vTNoA5cmKop9qi8T-s X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'd love to get that old Western Electric 5kW out of Salina KS!!! Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Collins" > I'm not trying to be an alarmist but I do think we should beware of over dependence on centralized media. Radio has an almost 80 year head start on everything else and it is decentralized. There are more than 11,000 transmitters in the US and there's no way all of them could be silenced. And.... There are still plenty of tube type transmitters still out there. > From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Mon Jul 24 17:01:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63725 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2006 00:01:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2006 00:01:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.173) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2006 00:01:17 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.162.76]) by bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:00:55 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:00:54 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.40.196.13 by BAY108-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 00:00:51 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: References: <002301c6af7a$a4f924a0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 20:00:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2006 00:00:54.0829 (UTC) FILETIME=[66463DD0:01C6AF7D] Return-Path: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ok AMS Fans ASM-1 Coming up for sale :) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=PPH4cCw6Z6VAYbbSuGYvxA_-lg6qEsBKTbwEzhZDo1jJ X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd this one came from a 1160 station. heck at the price i'm selling it you can have it retuned and calibrated by the factory and still be ahead of the game :) when it gets here i will post pictures. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 7:40 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ok AMS Fans ASM-1 Coming up for sale :) > I could use one on or about 1470. Got a station that just started airing > black gospel here and would like to hear it in stereo. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" > > > $1000.00 Shipped Con-US via UPS Ground Insured and professionally boxed by > > UPS Store. It's in full operating condition and has come out of service > less > > than a month ago from a 1160khz station in lehighton, pa > > I have seen it personally when i was there with their CE who is a friend > of > > mine. > > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 05:55:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82340 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2006 12:50:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2006 12:50:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2006 12:50:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 80784 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jul 2006 12:50:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20060725125029.80782.qmail@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 05:50:29 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 05:50:29 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: Rage against the satellators (was something else) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=TATsmb-1-Img4fITtQFBlLIm274OXeHiyoJb5o4U9PJU2NABQzjJMHE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio IMO, The only way to have a great translator station is to have a Fanfare Tuner receiving the parent signal - they are the utimate receiver to have at a translator station as they have proven to work when nothing else will, plus they have a sense signal to alert you if you should ever lose your parent signal. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Wed Jul 26 21:40:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56508 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2006 04:40:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2006 04:40:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.160) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2006 04:40:06 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2006 04:38:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2006 04:38:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2006 04:38:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:38:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.108.129.144 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Pet Sounds LP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=9jq8kdEjwCIr8wgC3tnAaYmJ3-HBC_mGsFgP8XGVS03GD9YTp5aFfA X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 On another radio message board there is an on-going battle between the pro-= IBOC and con- IBOC. One of the pro-IBOC was pontificating on how inferior analog is to d= igital. Yep, analog is so inferior that the Beach Boys announced that for its 40th = anniversary, they=20 are re-releasing Pet Sounds on LP along with CD. db From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 19:34:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36927 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2006 02:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2006 02:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2006 02:34:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2006 02:34:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2006 02:34:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 02:34:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.250.34.234 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Free Sony STR-AV470, needs work X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=AZJg2B7mklCZr2X5MqlEzrEOAsNCWaYRlhmh-eDRyhErc8jdWg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Anyone want a free Sony STR-AV470 receiver? It is one of Sony's=20 finest AM Stereo tuners from the '80s, with full digital touchpad=20 controls and automatic switching between the C-Quam, Kahn, Harris,=20 and Magnavox AM Stereo systems. Unfortunately it just gave up the=20 ghost today. I turned it on and the red "overload" indicator was=20 blinking, so I quickly shut it off and checked the speaker=20 connections. Everything seemed OK, but just to be safe I=20 disconnected all the speakers. Upon turning it on again, the=20 overload indicator continued to blink and it made a soft "pop" sound.=20 I quickly shut it off but it was too late -- I could smell the sickly=20 sweet odor of burnt-up solid state electronics. Given the "overload" indicator I think the fault occured somewhere in=20 the speaker amplifier section. So, you can either attempt to repair=20 the amplifier, or just disconnect it and use it as only a tuner and=20 phono preamp. My Sony ST-JX220A has the same tuner section, so=20 rather than attempt to repair the STR-AV470 I thought I'd pass it=20 along to someone who is handy with electronics and would like to have=20 a really nice multi-system AM Stereo tuner (and its FM tuner is=20 pretty good, too). Contact me via e-mail if you are interested! From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Sun Jul 30 19:39:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59213 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2006 02:39:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2006 02:39:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.153) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2006 02:39:52 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.162.86]) by bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:39:43 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:39:43 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.40.196.13 by BAY108-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 02:39:40 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: , "Kevin T." References: Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:39:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2006 02:39:43.0119 (UTC) FILETIME=[940E69F0:01C6B44A] Return-Path: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Free Sony STR-AV470, needs work X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=EQFPb410isty9jOzPTmtKh2E3V2Atchb99syYQ_T7Iw0 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Hi Kevin, I'll take it :) I'm in Glen Gardner, NJ 08826 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." To: Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:34 PM Subject: {AMSF} Free Sony STR-AV470, needs work Anyone want a free Sony STR-AV470 receiver? It is one of Sony's finest AM Stereo tuners from the '80s, with full digital touchpad controls and automatic switching between the C-Quam, Kahn, Harris, and Magnavox AM Stereo systems. Unfortunately it just gave up the ghost today. I turned it on and the red "overload" indicator was blinking, so I quickly shut it off and checked the speaker connections. Everything seemed OK, but just to be safe I disconnected all the speakers. Upon turning it on again, the overload indicator continued to blink and it made a soft "pop" sound. I quickly shut it off but it was too late -- I could smell the sickly sweet odor of burnt-up solid state electronics. Given the "overload" indicator I think the fault occured somewhere in the speaker amplifier section. So, you can either attempt to repair the amplifier, or just disconnect it and use it as only a tuner and phono preamp. My Sony ST-JX220A has the same tuner section, so rather than attempt to repair the STR-AV470 I thought I'd pass it along to someone who is handy with electronics and would like to have a really nice multi-system AM Stereo tuner (and its FM tuner is pretty good, too). Contact me via e-mail if you are interested! From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Jul 30 21:04:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86632 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2006 04:04:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2006 04:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s37.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.109) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2006 04:04:29 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.250.88]) by bay0-omc1-s37.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:01:03 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:01:02 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.12.215.125 by BAY115-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 04:00:57 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: , , Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:00:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2006 04:01:02.0744 (UTC) FILETIME=[F08A1980:01C6B455] Return-Path: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.109 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: WHGG AM 1090 Cheating! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=uGp5sBn5BrauBMV-Oj2KECUlXLLUXDVCoOrG7sRi2sgxL6dvgylPi2Q5CKXDXw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Daytimer WHGG 1090 Kingsport, TN is cranking out a dead quieting signal with very slight selective fading into Upstate South Carolina. It is lighting up all of the signal bars on my Grundig S-350 with a City Grade Signal. It also sounds like a local on my Sony Car Stereo. It has been running all night fr the past several nights, so catch it while you can and add Kingsport, TN to your DX logs! http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/amq?list=0&facid=64508 I'll betcha the guys up at Hearst-Argyle's WBAL 1090 will be screaming about WHGG's Non-D 10,000 Signal cranking up the East Coast at night! Kevin in Upstate South Carolina There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 23:20:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40149 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2006 06:20:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2006 06:20:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.201) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2006 06:20:30 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n10.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2006 06:18:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2006 06:18:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2006 06:18:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 06:18:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.201 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.250.34.234 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Free Sony STR-AV470, needs work X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=1jxpuqqpXKGzIt40X-n3Y3dolheMO6iYceE9ZwWsYNgaFRpxdw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics OK folks, according to the order in which your e-mails arrived, Rev. Robert got first dibs on the Sony, so the rest of you can=20 withold any further offers. Thanks for the interest! From jimbo@burgan.net Mon Jul 31 09:04:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27595 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2006 16:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2006 16:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flpvm09.prodigy.net) (207.115.20.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2006 16:04:10 -0000 X-ORBL: [68.251.145.221] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-251-145-221.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.251.145.221]) by flpvm09.prodigy.net (8.13.7 out spool5000 dk/8.13.7) with SMTP id k6VG2uv5002599 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:02:57 -0700 Message-ID: <005601c6b4ba$e79890d0$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:03:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0631-0, 07/31/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.20.39 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHGG AM 1090 Cheating! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=2PbAe0-1C2j-2LrQ3oVgjp5Hd-buPy97ux7dXzDonHIBYzs X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > > I'll betcha the guys up at Hearst-Argyle's WBAL 1090 will be screaming > about > WHGG's Non-D 10,000 Signal cranking up the East Coast at night! If I owned WHGG and wanted to cheat and try to get by with staying on past sunset, I wouldn't keep it at 10,000 watts. They have a "critical hours" power of 1.8 kw, so if they're gonna cheat, they should cheat with 1800 watts, not 10,000 watts. During fall and winter (here in the midwest) there are many daytimers with micro power at night who 'forget' to turn the transmitter down at sunset in Friday nights for high school basketball/football, but WHGG doesn't have any nighttime power and football season is still a couple of months away. What kind of programming are they broadcasting, Kevin? -Jim- From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Mon Jul 31 11:57:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1306 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2006 18:57:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2006 18:57:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s36.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.172) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2006 18:57:11 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.162.79]) by bay0-omc2-s36.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:56:19 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:56:17 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.40.196.13 by BAY108-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:56:12 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:56:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2006 18:56:17.0199 (UTC) FILETIME=[00D97BF0:01C6B4D3] Return-Path: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Finally Pictures of Delta ASM-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=MJ0Hus9yAl9OUq7hWNf0UZjSc5w9LRpmuFSRg-6UtKjF X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Here are pictures of the Delta Monitors I have for sale. http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=delta.82b.jpg http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=delta2.jpg http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=delta3.jpg http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=delta4.jpg http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=delta5.jpg http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=delta6.jpg http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=delta7.jpg http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=delta8.jpg http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=delta9.jpg http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=delta10.jpg http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=delta11.jpg http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=delta12.jpg http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=delta13.jpg http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=delta14.jpg http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=delta15.jpg http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=delta16.jpg Asking $1200.00 Shipped Con-US Via FedEx Ground and will be carefully packed by myself. ------------------------------------------------ Thank You, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Mon Jul 31 12:25:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14804 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2006 19:25:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2006 19:25:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s41.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.113) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2006 19:25:06 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.162.74]) by bay0-omc1-s41.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:24:13 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:24:13 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.40.196.13 by BAY108-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:24:13 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:24:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2006 19:24:13.0321 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7E56790:01C6B4D6] Return-Path: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: Finally Pictures of Delta ASM-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=pK1XAdXBTDnGltr7V4D47mH19Dr6pDJNhFJmrjHtBw3u X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Correction to price.... $1000.00 Shipped Con-US :) Will also ship to Canada and Alaska(Extra Shipping Required) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" To: Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:56 PM Subject: Finally Pictures of Delta ASM-1 > Here are pictures of the Delta Monitors I have for sale. > > http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=delta.82b.jpg > http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=delta2.jpg > http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=delta3.jpg > http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=delta4.jpg > http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=delta5.jpg > http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=delta6.jpg > http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=delta7.jpg > http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=delta8.jpg > http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=delta9.jpg > http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=delta10.jpg > http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=delta11.jpg > http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=delta12.jpg > http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=delta13.jpg > http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=delta14.jpg > http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=delta15.jpg > http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=delta16.jpg > > Asking $1200.00 Shipped Con-US Via FedEx Ground and will be carefully packed > by myself. > > ------------------------------------------------ > Thank You, > > Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis > Universal Life Ministries (ULC) > http://www.ulc.org > > Moderator Hunterdonfree > http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Jul 31 13:29:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36093 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2006 20:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2006 20:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.91) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2006 20:28:12 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.250.81]) by bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:27:55 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:27:55 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.12.215.125 by BAY115-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:27:50 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <005601c6b4ba$e79890d0$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:27:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2006 20:27:55.0240 (UTC) FILETIME=[CDEFF680:01C6B4DF] Return-Path: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHGG AM 1090 Cheating! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=xZB4PfT6VGD2_rAE7eOnbLZbexGNViFPYiEvqJyk4J9uNwQYh4Pgk2zGpC3K4w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim Burgan wrote: > If I owned WHGG and wanted to cheat and try to get by with staying on past sunset, I wouldn't keep it at 10,000 watts. Agreed! Gee gads what a signal they have too! LOL > > They have a "critical hours" power of 1.8 kw, so if they're gonna cheat, they should cheat with 1800 watts, not 10,000 watts. I reckon they figure "If we're gonna cheat, we may as well cover the entire Southeast!" LOL > > Friday nights for high school basketball/football, but WHGG doesn't have any nighttime power and football season is still a couple of months away. > What kind of programming are they broadcasting, Kevin? I could tell right away they are not broadcasting on FCC mandated Friday Night Football authority. WHGG is satellite automated running ABC's "Oldies Radio" format with the local liners and inserts, but no local Spots that I have heard. Kevin in Upstate South Carolina There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Mon Jul 31 22:55:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80129 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 05:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2006 05:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flpi102.sbcis.sbc.com) (207.115.20.71) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 05:55:05 -0000 X-ORBL: [68.251.145.221] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-251-145-221.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.251.145.221]) by flpi102.sbcis.sbc.com (8.13.7 out spool5000 dk/8.13.7) with SMTP id k715tCj5012349 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:55:12 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c6b52f$07abd570$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <005601c6b4ba$e79890d0$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 01:55:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0631-0, 07/31/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.20.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHGG AM 1090 Cheating! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=K3wfVQEnaQmLUhw0e9IbdL_NhSwNWoZwpvTo19tD9459tww X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 Well, I had to go out in this stiffling heat (it's 2AM and still 85 degrees outside) a little earlier this evening and I punched up 1090 KHz on my Delco radio and sure enough, it was the Mighty 1090 AM from Kingsport Tennessee, booming in here in Central Indiana playing "Tequila" by the Champs and "The Night The Lights Went Out In Georgia" by Vicki Lawrence. I find it hard to believe that a daytimer in Kingsport, TN would make a decision to stay on the air 24 hours a day with their full daytime power (10,000 watts). 1090 KHz is a clear channel and the two dominant stations at night are WBAL (Herst Media) in Baltimore and KAAY (Citadel) in Little Rock. There is a full-time 50,000 watt Class B in Seattle (KPTK) also on 1090KHz at night (directional to protect KAAY and WBAL), and 2 or 3 low-powered Class B's (all with 500 watts night directional to protect Baltimore and Little Rock), so I don't understand how WHGG thinks they can get away with it. It'll be interesting to see long this continues. Surely they have to be heard audibly under WBAL on the fringes of their primary signal. I can't see Herst or Citadel allowing this to continue. As for here in Indiana, I could just barely hear KAAY under WHGG and WBAL was nowhere to be found. Has it come to this on the AM band? -Jim- From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Tue Aug 01 08:36:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40512 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 15:36:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2006 15:36:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.163) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 15:36:20 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.162.86]) by bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 1 Aug 2006 08:35:33 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 08:35:33 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.40.196.13 by BAY108-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:35:29 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:35:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2006 15:35:33.0407 (UTC) FILETIME=[209A6AF0:01C6B580] Return-Path: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: ADA MT-3000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=3Zg1sS2fMl_v7GImJ1pfB1wjnApKdJAAkeYScsQKugKM X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd also do these cover to 1700khz on am??? ------------------------------------------------ Thank You, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Tue Aug 01 08:37:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97587 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 15:35:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2006 15:35:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s32.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.104) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 15:35:45 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.162.78]) by bay0-omc1-s32.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 1 Aug 2006 08:33:50 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 08:33:50 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.40.196.13 by BAY108-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:33:48 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:33:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2006 15:33:50.0516 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3467F40:01C6B57F] Return-Path: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: ADA MT-3000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=OQGK32om0wQfCUCZ6GOUmgsQEsqklbYzl2mJIIpRRCMm X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd How hard is it to find these and what kind of price should i be paying for one??? I own a Part 15 station and the MT-3000 would be perfect for the studio. ------------------------------------------------ Thank You, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Tue Aug 01 12:15:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41572 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 19:15:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2006 19:15:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s32.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.104) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 19:15:36 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.162.74]) by bay0-omc1-s32.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:13:40 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:13:39 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.40.196.13 by BAY108-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:13:39 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:13:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2006 19:13:39.0844 (UTC) FILETIME=[98BA3C40:01C6B59E] Return-Path: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: re: Delta ASM-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=cVKn996bSMkF3Ligw3aoNtTk5yDIYy2pDEwv412PDSqY X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd New Price :) $700.00 USD + Shipping. Will Ship to Canada(buyer responsible for duties and taxes) and USA Acceptable Forms of Payment.... USA PayPal, USPS Money Order, Business Check(Drawn on US Bank) Canada PayPal ------------------------------------------------ Thank You, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Wed Aug 02 10:48:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96527 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2006 17:45:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2006 17:45:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.175) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2006 17:45:09 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.162.75]) by bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:45:04 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:45:04 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.40.196.13 by BAY108-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:44:59 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: , "Tommy-KB3GRZ" , "Steve Madmage" , "Station Manager" , , "Mick Rapeer" , "East Hill Radio" , , , "Alan McCall" , Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:44:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2006 17:45:04.0908 (UTC) FILETIME=[63311CC0:01C6B65B] Return-Path: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: My Ebay Auction :) Delta ASM-1 Mod Monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=iGWR3Ko3BJyhza4dcSisDlH4OXUMcsm8PuWj_eSv-yxF X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Hi Guys, Here is my auction :) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140014761549 ------------------------------------------------ Thank You, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree From ian_davidson@hotmail.com Thu Aug 03 03:31:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian_davidson@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58835 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2006 10:31:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2006 10:31:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s34.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.106) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2006 10:31:18 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.11]) by bay0-omc1-s34.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 3 Aug 2006 03:24:59 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 03:24:59 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:24:55 GMT X-Originating-Email: [ian_davidson@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ian_davidson@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 20:24:55 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2006 10:24:59.0133 (UTC) FILETIME=[12895AD0:01C6B6E7] Return-Path: ian_davidson@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.106 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: The Melbourne Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83045090; y=N1tF6B_yESljY8TrzHebSJqFk-uAxYErvWBtex42vnfi X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 -----Original Message----- From: UK Dave >Well online anyway ;-) ...at last ! About time but what an awful >selection of music ! What's all this another 30 mins nonsense ?! It's a great shame, Dave, how the mighty 3MP has fallen. It had its 30th Birthday last week, but you could say nobody came ... and there was no party. It's only a shadow of what it used to be. Much of it is probably caused by ownership. There are five major national owners of Melbourne's 11 commercial stations (plus the racing industry which owns Sport 927 - the old Greater 3UZ). All the other owners - Southern Cross, Austereo, UK's Daily Mail Group, and Cear Channel have heaps of money. Pacific Star, owners of 3MP and SEN (formerly 3AK), have nothing, and run their stations on the smell of an oily rag. 3MP now sounds like a poor imitation of 1278 The New Magic. It's ironic given that 3MP in its heyday created Magic 12 years ago. Magic now consistently rates better than two commercial FM stations - yet has now been mono for almost 12 months. Alex K in Halifax assured me a couple of months ago that Magic had bought a new stereo optimod (whatever that is) and should be back in stereo soon. It isn't - and I've just about given up holding my breath. My mission at the moment is to get one of our FM clones to play the wonderful music that Magic does in FM stereo, and I certainly hope it's not the low rating Clear Channel station ... Mix-FM (what a pathetic name). The intro of DAB has recently been set back - again ... My God! We have been waiting here for digital radio since 1990! There is a lot of politics involved. The government doesn't want to upset the big boys. And in this regard radio is the poor relation to TV and newspapers here. It would seem that we'll soon have Rupert Murdoch not only owning 70% of our daily papers, but also one of the three commerciall TV networks, and two radio stations in each major city. And probably Packer (owner of the most popular TV Network) buying most of the other 30% of daily papers - including The Age and Sydney Morning Herald - plus two radio stations in most major cities. There goes free speech! The government says cross media ownership doesn't matter anymore as there are so many alternative forms of information, like the internet. What a crock of shit! They've even said that foreign ownership is no problem here anymore. It should add to quality and variety. Could any of you imagine your electronic media being controlled by overseas interests where you live? It's probably only a matter of time before we're watching the CBS Evening News in our regular 6:00 pm slot. Thank heavens we still have our publicly funded ABC. Ian Melbourne From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Aug 03 06:37:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82711 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2006 13:37:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2006 13:37:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2006 13:37:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 22418 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2006 13:37:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20060803133709.22416.qmail@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 06:37:09 PDT Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 06:37:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 From: "John P." Subject: Re: The Melbourne Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=zvoBtX1nt03buBvqxflSQxh34ch8_yd_KuF1OSIvGDOQcJe3WCdU8nA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Ian wrote: "Could any of you imagine your electronic media being controlled by overseas interests where you live?" Yes we can, thanks to Rupert Murdock - and you can have him back anytime! The USA had a rule about no foreign ownership of broadcast media, so they gave Rupert free "American citizenship" so he could run his own propaganda network to further his personal business interests and repay those in Congress who vote for what he likes! At least Canada still prohibits me from owning a station there - (not that that would be a bad thing,) but I can't use it to pipe my American views into Canadian's brains over their local airwaves (short of a 50KW 'border blaster' here in the States). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Aug 03 08:22:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84602 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2006 15:22:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2006 15:22:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s36.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.236) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2006 15:22:09 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.44]) by bay0-omc3-s36.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:21:17 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:21:17 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:21:14 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:21:14 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2006 15:21:17.0446 (UTC) FILETIME=[773CA260:01C6B710] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: The Melbourne Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=hwNFRw_2vrw_6bmMmWcjMARN0ymjvuAv9m8jJqMAFIWIaW-wrW5qln4G-ho X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo John P of Toledo wrote: Yes we can, thanks to Rupert Murdock - and you can have him back anytime! The USA had a rule about no foreign ownership of broadcast media, so they gave Rupert free "American citizenship" so he could run his own propaganda network to further his personal business interests and repay those in Congress who vote for what he likes! --------------------------------- --------------------------------- and I respond: Exactly, but Murdock has not only been a scourge (perhaps more so than even ClearChannel) on the broadcast media, but the print media as well. Take a look at his New York Post, don't know if it's available in Toledo, but thanks to technology an edition is printed here daily and you can even get the New York Post home delivered....... and what a rag it is... it makes the Inquirer look like a first class high-brow newspaper. Not to mention the fact he has decimated the "TV Guide" magazine. I would gladly contribute to purchase a way one ticket for Murdock to return to Australia and to divest New Corp of it's U.S. holdings. (or maybe there's a cell in Guantanamo with his name on it!) Donn, St Petersburg,FL --------Original Message--------- From: "John P." Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: The Melbourne Report Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 06:37:09 -0700 (PDT) Ian wrote: "Could any of you imagine your electronic media being controlled by overseas interests where you live?" Yes we can, thanks to Rupert Murdock - and you can have him back anytime! The USA had a rule about no foreign ownership of broadcast media, so they gave Rupert free "American citizenship" so he could run his own propaganda network to further his personal business interests and repay those in Congress who vote for what he likes! At least Canada still prohibits me from owning a station there - (not that that would be a bad thing,) but I can't use it to pipe my American views into Canadian's brains over their local airwaves (short of a 50KW 'border blaster' here in the States). __________________________________________________ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Aug 03 13:44:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79447 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2006 20:44:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2006 20:44:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2006 20:44:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2006 20:41:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2006 20:41:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 20:41:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060803133709.22416.qmail@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.11.205 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: The Melbourne Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=5aiZyvvnLXrLSdGtnupInLOX3jUN_lJW065hnhD5KkPwWTkG X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > Ian wrote: "Could any of you imagine your electronic media being=20 controlled by > overseas interests where you live?" >=20 > Yes we can, thanks to Rupert Murdock - and you can have him back=20 anytime!=20=20 > The USA had a rule about no foreign ownership of broadcast media,=20 so they gave > Rupert free "American citizenship" so he could run his own=20 propaganda network > to further his personal business interests and repay those in=20 Congress who vote > for what he likes! That's being nice, y'know? I blame Murdoch for changinng the face and=20 tome of all media in the US to the point that Americans don't trust=20 their media anymore, not to mention the big consolidation grab that=20 started in the '80s and culminated in the 1996 Telecommunications=20 Act! And for the politics? You can thank Murdoch for what we now have=20 in American government, because Murdoch always supported ultra- conservative causes. > At least Canada still prohibits me from owning a station there -=20 (not that that > would be a bad thing,) but I can't use it to pipe my American views=20 into > Canadian's brains over their local airwaves (short of a=20 50KW 'border blaster' > here in the States). Canada doesn't NEED American ownership of stations, since about 80%=20 of Canadians live within 150 miles of the US-Canada border, so they=20 get alot from America as it is, be it from Seattle, Duluth, Detroit,=20 Cleveland, Buffalo or Montpelier, American stations are well- represented across the border. Detroit is also the only place in the=20 world where you'll get AM stereo, FM stereo, IBOC and DAB without=20 leaving the city. (For all of America's complaints about not "being=20 able to use" DAB instead of IBOC, DAB crosses the border from=20 transmitters in Vancouver, Winsor, Toronto and Montreal-- Vancouver=20 and Winsor make sense, since Texas Instruments, who makes the DAB=20 chips is in the Seattle area, and the auto makers, and their OEM car=20 radio divisions, are in Detroit! Of course, if you want a DAB radio,=20 you can either go across the border, or as I did, bought one on eBay=20 for about a third of retail from the UK. :) Good chance I'll be in=20 Vancouver this fall, so... :) ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Aug 03 16:23:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1670 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2006 23:23:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2006 23:23:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2006 23:23:25 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-75-201.dhcp.embarqhsd.net ([71.51.75.201] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1G8mX3-00071T-00; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 19:23:13 -0400 Message-ID: <021501c6b753$c543a0b0$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> To: Cc: Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 19:23:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: WSCZ 1070 Format Flip...Again! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=YlLckDTMI0QEI71hB54eFUx6GgFHp_izcLoR5oGTTq65asVSt_Q1yViuCeb0cg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 WSCZ 1070 Sans Souci (Greenville) SC flipped format from "Rejoice 1070" Black Gospel to Oldies! WSCZ also apears to be running the Night transmitter 24 Hours per day instead of the 50 KW Daytime Transmitter. It was funny listening to it Yesterday when they were playing 60's and 70's Oldies but running "Rejoice 1070" liners and promos! LOL I could not figure out what satellite service they are using. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Aug 03 16:30:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33354 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2006 23:30:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2006 23:30:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52203.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.126) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2006 23:30:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 66411 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2006 23:29:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20060803232921.66409.qmail@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.254] by web52203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 16:29:21 PDT Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 16:29:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <021501c6b753$c543a0b0$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WSCZ 1070 Format Flip...Again! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=B8RUPFSOZpcprdSQVdVAE-3VqXjObWmMOzasahHcIDs X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > WSCZ 1070 Sans Souci (Greenville) SC flipped format > from "Rejoice 1070" > Black Gospel to Oldies! > > WSCZ also apears to be running the Night transmitter > 24 Hours per day > instead of the 50 KW Daytime Transmitter. And the day MW-50 has been "dead" for a long time....I'm guessing 6 months to a year now....??? I bet they never told the FCC, either.... I can't hear a TRACE of them here in Columbia. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Thu Aug 03 17:19:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44337 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2006 00:17:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2006 00:17:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.204) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2006 00:17:09 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n13.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2006 00:16:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2006 00:16:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2006 00:16:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 00:16:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.92.190.17 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: The Melbourne Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=_fWmjvzmSKMpsOWN5RBV_br8fkRSb4crXr-Yh-20sbGrqg9jLA X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Davidson"=20 wrote: > >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: UK Dave >=20 > >Well online anyway ;-) ...at last ! About time but what an awful > >selection of music ! What's all this another 30 mins nonsense ?! >=20 >=20 > It's a great shame, Dave, how the mighty 3MP has fallen. >=20 > It had its 30th Birthday last week, but you could say nobody=20 came ... and=20 > there was no party. >=20 > It's only a shadow of what it used to be. Much of it is probably=20 caused by=20 > ownership.=20=20 Ah you're on here Ian :-) I have'nt looked at this group for months.=20 Actually the selection has improved somewhat in the last few days.=20 Quite a varied selection really if you like easy listening... Of=20 course I had to add it to the database for the acoustic energy w-fi=20 radio, anyone have one of these ??!=20 For just a 32k stereo stream it does sound good. I hope it gets back=20 to am stereo sometime. very nice UK female accent for the ID's btw,=20 perhaps a bit ott though ?! same girl as used on some UK stations... Dave From wnmb@sc.rr.com Thu Aug 03 17:25:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9725 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2006 00:25:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2006 00:25:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2006 00:25:32 -0000 Received: from D333DQ61 (cpe-071-070-068-101.sc.res.rr.com [71.70.68.101]) by ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k740PERp003684 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 20:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000d01c6b75c$755e33e0$6601a8c0@D333DQ61> To: References: <021501c6b753$c543a0b0$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 20:25:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "WNMB" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WSCZ 1070 Format Flip...Again! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=1GVYRUxFFgzN5zvYKdrfta_S7dPKMNlPpd3PK6O9QPz8wA X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Kevin! When are you coming to North Myrtle Beach? I got AM stereo receivers in multiple varieties on hand!!!! Sony, Radio Shack, Metro Sound, Onkyo, Panasonic and more! bill wnmb ----- Original Message ----- From: Possum Hunter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amradiodx@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:23 PM Subject: {AMSF} WSCZ 1070 Format Flip...Again! WSCZ 1070 Sans Souci (Greenville) SC flipped format from "Rejoice 1070" Black Gospel to Oldies! WSCZ also apears to be running the Night transmitter 24 Hours per day instead of the 50 KW Daytime Transmitter. It was funny listening to it Yesterday when they were playing 60's and 70's Oldies but running "Rejoice 1070" liners and promos! LOL I could not figure out what satellite service they are using. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/403 - Release Date: 7/28/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Aug 03 17:30:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15119 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2006 00:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2006 00:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52206.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.129) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2006 00:30:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 67291 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2006 00:30:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20060804003050.67289.qmail@web52206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.254] by web52206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:30:50 PDT Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 17:30:50 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000d01c6b75c$755e33e0$6601a8c0@D333DQ61> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WSCZ 1070 Format Flip...Again! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=hQfrsxH6SIacCCRRqx0Th94c604iQ_9PFLNIKEhhBRk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- WNMB wrote: > Hey Kevin! > When are you coming to North Myrtle Beach? I got AM > stereo receivers in multiple varieties on hand!!!! > Sony, Radio Shack, Metro Sound, Onkyo, Panasonic > and more! > bill > wnmb When it's less hot, I'll head over from Columbia... Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Aug 03 19:15:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86929 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2006 02:12:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2006 02:12:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2006 02:12:56 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-75-201.dhcp.embarqhsd.net ([71.51.75.201] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1G8pBG-00057X-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:12:54 -0400 Message-ID: <029201c6b76b$79411590$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060803232921.66409.qmail@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 22:12:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WSCZ 1070 Format Flip...Again! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=c1zlPiIX7WYmif7sOIwF6pDZFHV4QmeI5DLpTHqODCXNydYtHfMCdiNGaedI5Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > And the day MW-50 has been "dead" for a long time....I'm guessing 6 months > to a year now....??? I bet they never told the FCC, either.... It has been about 3 or so years since I have visited the station, but when I was there the MW-50 seemed to be in good condition and was having no problem making 50,000 Watts. I wonder why they are not using it? The MW-50 is a pretty easy transmitter to troubleshoot out and repair and parts are not too expensive for it. At one time, I was told WSCZ had a DX-50 on order, but couldn't get it due to bad credit. They also have racks full of AM Stereo equipment that is not in use. > > I can't hear a TRACE of them here in Columbia. That is a shame. I remember back in the days when it was WHYZ, you could hear the station all of the way to Jacksonville, FL! It sounded like a local station in Beufort! WSCZ / WHYZ has been a victim of poor management, bad engineering, and horrible programming for quite some time. With a good signal, clean Stereo audio, Good promotion, and Live N Local Oldies that station should pull a 3.8 or better in the books. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Aug 03 19:15:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24899 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2006 02:15:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2006 02:15:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2006 02:15:53 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-75-201.dhcp.embarqhsd.net ([71.51.75.201] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1G8pDk-0005MG-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:15:28 -0400 Message-ID: <029d01c6b76b$d4d65dc0$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <021501c6b753$c543a0b0$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> <000d01c6b75c$755e33e0$6601a8c0@D333DQ61> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 22:15:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WSCZ 1070 Format Flip...Again! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=XpDOoJSdsswtJmCE3xlx0rFKRbtwfV12WoqE6IHs5gs6Ly6Y0KOElNADFEFJLw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 WNMB wrote: > When are you coming to North Myrtle Beach? I do want to get there ASAP to see your station. Right now I have been having to go back and forth between East Central Florida and Upstate South Carolina taking care of family and personal matters. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Aug 04 01:36:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10249 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2006 08:35:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2006 08:35:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.176.248) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2006 08:35:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 56880 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2006 08:33:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20060804083356.56878.qmail@web25815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.30.228.2] by web25815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 01:33:56 PDT Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 01:33:56 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000d01c6b75c$755e33e0$6601a8c0@D333DQ61> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.176.248 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WSCZ 1070 Format Flip...Again! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=SqnTXvMx_1w9Va_jTof8GMMknwwSfkwDEcJ17Zw769FkT_8ciyB7 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Bill, I dont know about the other kevin but I am not going to be able to make it afterall this summer. I was hired at Western Carolina University in North Carolina so I had to cancel my vacation plans. I am Kevin Bell from Upstate SC (Greenville). I was the one that kept asking about the radio shack component tuners. I'll eventually get down there but at this point I am not sure when I'll make it. Hope all is well down your way. God Bless. -Kevin Bell Listener in Greenville --- WNMB wrote: > Hey Kevin! > When are you coming to North Myrtle Beach? I got AM > stereo receivers in multiple varieties on hand!!!! > Sony, Radio Shack, Metro Sound, Onkyo, Panasonic > and more! > bill > wnmb > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Possum Hunter > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Cc: amradiodx@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:23 PM > Subject: {AMSF} WSCZ 1070 Format Flip...Again! > > > WSCZ 1070 Sans Souci (Greenville) SC flipped > format from "Rejoice 1070" > Black Gospel to Oldies! > > WSCZ also apears to be running the Night > transmitter 24 Hours per day > instead of the 50 KW Daytime Transmitter. It was > funny listening to it > Yesterday when they were playing 60's and 70's > Oldies but running "Rejoice > 1070" liners and promos! LOL I could not figure > out what satellite service > they are using. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM > radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/403 - > Release Date: 7/28/2006 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Aug 04 05:26:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66333 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2006 12:26:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2006 12:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.160) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2006 12:26:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 13857 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2006 12:26:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20060804122619.13855.qmail@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 05:26:19 PDT Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 05:26:19 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: RS AMS 152 tuner / JCP MCS AMS tuner?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=RfTobx_f6fRJfjobiUtnpvD0RgtI7VhmlDIZwJt90dHR0UlNx469n94 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio KB wrote: "I was the one that kept asking about the radio shack component tuners. I'll eventually get down there but at this point I am not sure when I'll make it. Hope all is well down your way. God Bless. -Kevin Bell Listener in Greenville" Kevin B, there are several spots where you can go to get some improvements for the RS TM-152 tuner. The easiest is to buy an AMS decoder from Chris Cuff or Jeff Deck that uses the 3rd generation chip, the MC13028, instead of the 1st generation chip -the MC13020 that RS uses. Your audio will increase dramatically. Also, there are high frequency cut-off caps in the audio in the RS, plus you could put in a wider bandwidth ceramic I.F. filter. All will make it sound like a million bucks. I am considering putting the MC13028 into the (JCPenney) MCS AMS tuner to give that a wider sound - has anyone modified their MCS tuner, or is everyone just leaving the MC13020 chip? 73's __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Aug 04 10:10:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 776 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2006 17:10:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2006 17:10:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52214.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.137) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2006 17:10:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 46345 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2006 17:10:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20060804171008.46343.qmail@web52214.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.5.219.153] by web52214.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 10:10:08 PDT Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 10:10:08 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <029201c6b76b$79411590$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WSCZ 1070 Format Flip...Again! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=T_jLS9ACO5GK0Bd4RekTnrCZdltThqvOJgzHhxAkN3c X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > And the day MW-50 has been "dead" for a long > time....I'm guessing 6 months > > to a year now....??? I bet they never told the > FCC, either.... > > It has been about 3 or so years since I have visited > the station, but when I > was there the MW-50 seemed to be in good condition > and was having no problem > making 50,000 Watts. > > I wonder why they are not using it? The MW-50 is a > pretty easy transmitter > to troubleshoot out and repair and parts are not too > expensive for it. I expect they can't afford it. And in the building you have to dodge the large holes in the floor....covered up by boards across them. > At > one time, I was told WSCZ had a DX-50 on order, but > couldn't get it due to > bad credit. They also have racks full of AM Stereo > equipment that is not in > use. > > > > I can't hear a TRACE of them here in Columbia. > > That is a shame. I remember back in the days when it > was WHYZ, you could > hear the station all of the way to Jacksonville, FL! > It sounded like a local station in Beufort! It came in well in Newberry. > WSCZ / WHYZ has been a victim of poor management, > bad engineering, and > horrible programming for quite some time. With a > good signal, clean Stereo > audio, Good promotion, and Live N Local Oldies that > station should pull a > 3.8 or better in the books. BUT..... Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Aug 04 17:44:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97832 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2006 00:44:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2006 00:44:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2006 00:44:53 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-75-201.dhcp.embarqhsd.net ([71.51.75.201] helo=PossumHunter) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1G9AHb-0006rT-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 20:44:51 -0400 Message-ID: <02e401c6b828$5bf4f2a0$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060804171008.46343.qmail@web52214.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 20:44:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WSCZ 1070 Format Flip...Again! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=Grf0XT5u6yqanCaLuGfZvZp0CVh9p_WPjFSU66MEoWoNH6KqgA7ESG3_mPIubg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > I expect they can't afford it. And in the building you have to dodge the large holes in the floor....covered up by boards across them. I remember when the FCC Inspector fell through the floor at WSCZ! Not a good way to get a good inspection for sure! That was when they got busted for just having a .Wav audio file for EAS tones! LOL Actually, only the trailer used as offices is dangerous. The block building that contains the "Studio" and transmitter should be safe. It has a poured concrete floor. > > BUT..... And that is a GREAT BIG "BUT"! Is this how Tama runs all of their stations? If so, they should NOT be allowed to own any of them. With only a little re-investment in the station, WSCZ could and WOULD be the dominate AM in the Upstate. Once upon a time, Cox was going to buy that station...Until they went up to look at it! LOL While I don't think 1070 would ever be another "WSB", It would certainly blow a hole in the dial and make the Upstate think twice about AM radio. If I was the GM, I would hire me a real CE to get that station's technical problems cured and keep it that way. I would also get a PD that knows what he is doing and go with a format that is Niche enough to survive on AM without an FM flipping to it and pounding you into the dirt, but mass appeal enough to get real Arbitron Numbers. Big Band-Nostalgia done right such as "Prime Time Radio" on CHWO-AM740 would certainly get attention. "Groovin' Oldies" like WGVC-FM was before Barnstable ruined it and moved the COL to Simpsonville, or R&B heavy Smooth Jazz like WSJT-FM in the Tampa market would be good choices as well. I would also change the call letters to get away from the WSCZ name and reputation. After you get the signal so it can be heard and Audio that is second to none, along with a good format to modulate it, then hire a GOOD Sales Manager who knows how to sell AM. That is a LOT of "BUTs". BUT, if all of these things are not done, WSCZ will keep limping along until it goes dark again for the zillionth time. Perhaps we can talk Bill Norman into buying 1070. He could hire me as CE and would have the best sounding station in SC with the Best coverage in the State. After I got the technical problems ironed out, I have a complete Oldies library we could load up into the Phantom for automation at night, like CHWO's "Jukebox overnight" and do live assist in the day. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Aug 05 08:48:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+V7gr+45+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87620 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2006 15:48:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2006 15:48:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2006 15:48:49 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.206]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 104492330 for ; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 10:48:45 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <003f01c6b8a7$630ec780$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 10:54:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 9, in=3, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.206 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Melbourne Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=x5N2MxR6vY0xsK9DD8vE1p4H5DwTddD2_kHHxZk_PDJCpyuSJHaP X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The distrust of the media began long before that- more like with the ascendency of Rush Limbaugh back in the 80s. Murdoch was merely taking advantage of what was already there. Pile onto that the blogs which exposed the faked "Bush was AWOL" memos (I personally know John Hinderaker, one of the guys who exposed the forgery) and other manufactured news, and you can see why the major news networks have fallen. BTW- you can start breathing easier about ol' Rupert. He's getting chummy with Hillary now. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > > That's being nice, y'know? I blame Murdoch for changinng the face and > tome of all media in the US to the point that Americans don't trust > their media anymore, not to mention the big consolidation grab that > started in the '80s and culminated in the 1996 Telecommunications > Act! And for the politics? You can thank Murdoch for what we now have > in American government, because Murdoch always supported ultra- > conservative causes. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Aug 05 13:35:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78412 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2006 20:35:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2006 20:35:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s25.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.97) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2006 20:35:11 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.11]) by bay0-omc1-s25.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 5 Aug 2006 13:33:26 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 13:33:26 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:33:25 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:33:25 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2006 20:33:26.0077 (UTC) FILETIME=[67326ED0:01C6B8CE] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.97 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=jBuIU3POk0bbMCYBHSyA1cExXY1yM5yDVa5Xe6I9GA_lkLS8lo3TAk_zYq8 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Personally, speaking for myself, it doesn't make me feel any better, if it's true that Rupert is now getting chummy with Mrs Clinton or any other politician.(Although we do have the best Congress $money$ can buy - with maybe a dozen exceptions.....maybe) This is one reason why I listen to and get most of my national and world news from the BBC and the VOA (which uses actual reporters, not entertainers) The role of the press is to be the 4th Estate and to report the news and to be a watchdog of the government , not to parrot talking points or any political party,whether the talking points are from the left or the right or anywhere in between. As far as the "forged" documents go in the CBS news case about G W Bush being AWOL, the alleged forgery became the story (a smokescreen) and as such obliterated the facts, not whether or not the facts were true and it has been documented repeatedly that after the National Guard spent many tax dollars training Mr Bush, he never showed up to take the pilot physical on the original date or subsequent dates, thus many tax dollars went down the drain; perhaps someone has some documentation (not forged, of course) showing that Mr Bush repaid the National Guard for all the training he received, but chose not follow up on, since he was never available for the physical.(I've heard some people say that he may have been afraid he would fail the drug test, but as far as I know, that has not been documented one way or another) I know when I was in the military, people in similar situations were billed for the training, which is not cheap. Rush does push the "distrust" media button, but it's not the first time in our nation's history that someone has made the media the issue; the distrust the media issue has been used before, granted, Rush has perfected this. Rush is an entertainer and I do find him to be as entertaining as Barbara Walters (aka Ba Ba Wa Wa), but I certainly wouldn't' t take either one of them seriously on any serious issues. They have opinions and if Kevin Redding is reading this, I'm sure as another Navy veteran, he can tell you a saying, I'm sure he heard during active duty about people and opinions.( Everyone has an opinion, sometimes based on facts, sometimes not). I believe it was used as an issue after evangelist Amy Simple McPherson's feigned kidnapping/drowning scenario in May 1926 and I understand that both political/religious sides took potshots at any newspaper that didn't support their view on the slavery issue in the 1850's through and including the Civil War.(and afterwards through Reconstruction) ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Scott Todd" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Melbourne Report Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 10:54:04 -0500 The distrust of the media began long before that- more like with the ascendency of Rush Limbaugh back in the 80s. Murdoch was merely taking advantage of what was already there. Pile onto that the blogs which exposed the faked "Bush was AWOL" memos (I personally know John Hinderaker, one of the guys who exposed the forgery) and other manufactured news, and you can see why the major news networks have fallen. BTW- you can start breathing easier about ol' Rupert. He's getting chummy with Hillary now. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > > That's being nice, y'know? I blame Murdoch for changinng the face and > tome of all media in the US to the point that Americans don't trust > their media anymore, not to mention the big consolidation grab that > started in the '80s and culminated in the 1996 Telecommunications > Act! And for the politics? You can thank Murdoch for what we now have > in American government, because Murdoch always supported ultra- > conservative causes. From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sun Aug 06 05:12:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62293 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2006 12:11:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2006 12:11:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2006 12:11:43 -0000 Received: from [4.247.121.147] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1G9hTl-0001M8-Pn for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 08:11:39 -0400 Message-ID: <380-22006806121138359@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.112.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 08:11:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc26d2053f447000b0f6fab13642441a72350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: RE: {AMSF} Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=I6uv_t6YQS3qopgBiZzAnKAbHdPiOAOK9zM9VgVmdVFdHQ While at one time I think it was true that the press had a liberal slant, now that corporate money dominates radio, it's obvious that the conservatives own radio almost 100%. The unfortunate thing about all this is that it's dangerous for either the left or the right to control the media where the public obtains most of its information. There is a real threat to the democracy when reporting is not straightforward and factual. We'll have to wait and see how all this plays out. Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Donn Tillman > To: > Date: 8/5/2006 4:35:13 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC > > Personally, speaking for myself, it doesn't make me feel any better, if it's > true that Rupert is now getting chummy with Mrs Clinton or any other > politician.(Although we do have the best Congress $money$ can buy - with > maybe a dozen exceptions.....maybe) > > This is one reason why I listen to and get most of my national and world > news from the BBC and the VOA (which uses actual reporters, not > entertainers) > > The role of the press is to be the 4th Estate and to report the news and to > be a watchdog of the government , not to parrot talking points or any > political party,whether the talking points are from the left or the right or > anywhere in between. > > As far as the "forged" documents go in the CBS news case about G W Bush > being AWOL, the alleged forgery became the story (a smokescreen) and as such > obliterated the facts, not whether or not the facts were true and it has > been documented repeatedly that after the National Guard spent many tax > dollars training Mr Bush, he never showed up to take the pilot physical on > the original date or subsequent dates, thus many tax dollars went down the > drain; perhaps someone has some documentation (not forged, of course) > showing that Mr Bush repaid the National Guard for all the training he > received, but chose not follow up on, since he was never available for the > physical.(I've heard some people say that he may have been afraid he would > fail the drug test, but as far as I know, that has not been documented one > way or another) > > I know when I was in the military, people in similar situations were billed > for the training, which is not cheap. > > Rush does push the "distrust" media button, but it's not the first time in > our nation's history that someone has made the media the issue; the > distrust the media issue has been used before, granted, Rush has perfected > this. > > Rush is an entertainer and I do find him to be as entertaining as Barbara > Walters (aka Ba Ba Wa Wa), but I certainly wouldn't' t take either one of > them seriously on any serious issues. They have opinions and if Kevin > Redding is reading this, I'm sure as another Navy veteran, he can tell you a > saying, I'm sure he heard during active duty about people and opinions.( > Everyone has an opinion, sometimes based on facts, sometimes not). > > I believe it was used as an issue after evangelist Amy Simple McPherson's > feigned kidnapping/drowning scenario in May 1926 and I understand that both > political/religious sides took potshots at any newspaper that didn't support > their view on the slavery issue in the 1850's through and including the > Civil War.(and afterwards through Reconstruction) > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Scott Todd" > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > To: > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Melbourne Report > Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 10:54:04 -0500 > > The distrust of the media began long before that- more like with the > ascendency of Rush Limbaugh back in the 80s. Murdoch was merely taking > advantage of what was already there. Pile onto that the blogs which exposed > the faked "Bush was AWOL" memos (I personally know John Hinderaker, one of > the guys who exposed the forgery) and other manufactured news, and you can > see why the major news networks have fallen. BTW- you can start breathing > easier about ol' Rupert. He's getting chummy with Hillary now. > > Scott Todd > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amy Mousie" > > > > That's being nice, y'know? I blame Murdoch for changinng the face and > > tome of all media in the US to the point that Americans don't trust > > their media anymore, not to mention the big consolidation grab that > > started in the '80s and culminated in the 1996 Telecommunications > > Act! And for the politics? You can thank Murdoch for what we now have > > in American government, because Murdoch always supported ultra- > > conservative causes. > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From bob_welch550@yahoo.com Sun Aug 06 14:37:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bob_welch550@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71996 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2006 21:35:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2006 21:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.101) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2006 21:35:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 32187 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2006 21:35:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20060806213552.32185.qmail@web37703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.19.95.58] by web37703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 14:35:52 PDT Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 14:35:52 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Bob Welch Subject: Re: The Melbourne Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213592090; y=jftdEDHZkeUbFGkuRGfQR59YoHTRaM6ORweNaeoI_gQuocodt3HF X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While in general, I agree with your intent. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Sun Aug 06 18:04:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6749 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2006 01:04:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2006 01:04:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2006 01:04:44 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABCPPENWAGWH55A for (sender ); Sun, 6 Aug 2006 18:04:20 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLHjphZEXVvmunCdi2f0G4l0= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LW5RJ862; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 18:03:32 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 17:58:52 -0700 Message-ID: <20060806.180315.2856.5.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-44,46-307 X-ContentStamp: 110:55:1391683918 X-MAIL-INFO:350e03379f4afadebe7f1b03ab5eb75b3aca6373cb7b934ac7279f77fa5bea5f8eeaf3935bf3aeebd75fd79e7af76eb347b3aed71b33ce6f67fb6b93ebb32b3ea76fa72f4b2bfbba872eeabb8ffb873fe377efbebbbe93839f7ede02679b97dfd3077e0a97db13abde8ad38a631a5be7cbde4f9e333fda9af3ae6b178ea36b6a377a93c70f27a71757ee X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=owmXAJKZX71hnOAX1u6u7FPSwl7Admwxp6GmmECLcg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn First - The VOA is a propaganda operation of the US Government. I hardly think one could recommend such as a reliable news source, even though it may be. However the BBC is a very biased operation and reeks of institutionalized leftism: BBC bias against religions: The BBC harbors an anti-religious attitude, its correspondents have little understanding of religious issues and soaps such as EastEnders ridicule religion, the House of Lords select committee considering the future of the BBC were told in November 2005. The BBC was also criticized by members of the committee for treating religion "with kid gloves" and for employing reporters who tried to "fluff their way through complicated matters". The anti-religious attitude is apparent in the way religion is featured in the BBC's entertainment output, said Dr Chakravarthi Ram-Prasad from the department of religious studies at the University of Lancaster. He said its soaps "tend to use stereotypes - the Christians are mad fundamentalists, the Hindus are in arranged marriages". David Davis criticizes BBC bias: Conservative Party leadership contender David Davis accused the BBC of backing his rival David Cameron. Campaign boss Derek Conway said the BBC wanted Mr Cameron to win. Mr Conway said on GMTV in October 2005: "The BBC have decided who they want to be Tory leader. Maybe it makes it more exciting for them." Blair and Clinton criticize BBC bias: Tony Blair, the British prime minister, and Bill Clinton, US president from 1993 to 2001, both criticized the anti-US bias of BBC news coverage of Hurricane Katrina in September 2005. Tony Blair said the coverage was "full of hatred of America" and that the BBC was "gloating" at the slow response of the US authorities after the hurricane and the floods. Mr Blair's comments were revealed by Rupert Murdoch, head of a rival media organization. Bill Clinton said that, although the reports were accurate, they were "stacked up" to criticize the federal government's slow response to the catastrophe without focusing on any of the relief efforts or the magnitude of the task. Sir Howard Stringer, a former head of CBS News, said he was "nervous about the level of gloating" in the BBC news reports about Katrina. Robin Aitken: BBC bias as seen from the inside: In May 2005, Robin Aitken, a former BBC correspondent accused the BBC of "institutionalized leftism" in a book he is writing provisionally entitled Taking Sides: Bias at the BBC. His book will expose what he saw as the BBC's systemic political bias and give detailed examples. Mr Aitken worked for the BBC for 25 years including Radio 4's Today programme during the Iraq war. He told The Daily Telegraph: "The scandal is that left wing voices are not balanced by right wing voices. If that is not reformed, then it's hard to justify allowing the BBC to hold on to its monopoly. Mr Aitken says many BBC staffers are active members of the Labor Party and the Liberal Democrats. He adds: "In 25 years I met only a smattering of Tories in the organization." Mr Aitken, who describes himself as a "middle-of-the-road Conservative", explained how in his view BBC coverage had been biased during his time as a journalist there. Mr Aitken became so troubled by the extended honeymoon between New Labor and the BBC that he confronted the director-general John Birt, now a Labor peer, and his successor Greg Dyke, previously a Labor donor, and submitted a dossier to the BBC governors. On each occasion his objections were shrugged off. He said that when he started as a business correspondent in Scotland in the early 1980s the BBC presented a "one-sided picture" of Thatcherite economic reforms that did a "real disservice" to licence-payers. He says the Thatcherite reforms were seen through the microcosm of job losses, and the case was never put that you cannot prop up failing industries with state money without damaging the rest of the economy. The prime minister was portrayed as a ruthless, heartless Englishwoman. When he reported from Northern Ireland, he thought the Ulster Unionists received a raw deal and were "always treated as the baddies". When he worked on the Today programme, Mr Aitken again found himself out of step during the invasion of Iraq in 2003. "The whole tone of the programme was hostile to the notion of a war," he said. "It was not presenting a balanced view of the situation and explaining the reasons why intervention might be justified." A poster to a BBC message board asked if Mr Aitken's book would be reviewed on the BBC. After about three days the thread was deleted. No need for an answer then. An Aunt With an Attitude Robin Aitken's revelations about BBC political bias were carried by the Wall Street Journal on 20th May 2005 in a commentary by Scott Norvell, the London bureau chief for Fox News. "Robin Aitken has nailed it," he wrote. "He has put his finger on it: institutionalized leftism... As Mr Aitken puts it, a center-left groupthink dominates at the BBC and colors its entire output." According to Mr Norvell, the BBC's world is one in which America is always wrong, George W Bush is a knuckle-dragging simpleton, people of faith are frightening ignoramuses, and capitalism is a rot on the fabric of social justice. Through this prism, the United Nations is the world's supreme moral authority, multiculturalism is always a force for good, war is never warranted, and US Republicans sprinkle Third World children over their Cheerios for breakfast. Mr Norvell said on the recent takeover of Manchester United by American sports magnate Malcolm Glazer was the perfect platform for these biases to poke through. On the evening Mr Glazer's two-year effort to take over the club gelled, the flagship Ten O'Clock News' take on it was a two-minute ad for the anti-Glazer camp. Effigies were burned. Angry fans marched. League officials expressed dismay. Mr Norvell said the correspondent closed the report claiming the deal would be bad for shareholders, bad for fans and bad for Manchester. Bad bad bad. He continued: "The wrong here is not that the BBC is portraying Mr Glazer and his bid as unpopular - they are. It's that the BBC's mandate is not to pander, tabloid-style, to its audiences or use the story as a springboard for its anti-free market ideology. Its mandate explicitly calls for "impartial" coverage, and that's not what I and millions of other U.K. residents are getting for our license fee in this and many other cases. The Guardian newspaper did not cover Mr Norvell's article but did report the BBC rebuttal. BBC director of news Helen Boaden "strenuously" denied such partisanship at the BBC and said the David Kelly affair was proof of the BBC's "search for truth in the face of concerted political pressure and threats - no matter the color of the government". Ms Boaden appeared not to realize that during this time the BBC attacked the Blair government from exactly the BBC world view identified by Robin Aitken and Scott Norvell: ie anti-war, pro-UN, anti-American and from the left - and then defended its reports until the position of the chairman and the director-general became untenable and they both resigned. Don On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 08:11:38 -0400 "Dick W." writes: > While at one time I think it was true that the press had a liberal > slant, > now that corporate money dominates radio, it's obvious that the > conservatives own radio almost 100%. The unfortunate thing about > all this > is that it's dangerous for either the left or the right to control > the > media where the public obtains most of its information. There is a > real > threat to the democracy when reporting is not straightforward and > factual. > We'll have to wait and see how all this plays out. > Dick W. > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Donn Tillman > > To: > > Date: 8/5/2006 4:35:13 PM > > Subject: {AMSF} Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC > > > > Personally, speaking for myself, it doesn't make me feel any > better, if > it's > > true that Rupert is now getting chummy with Mrs Clinton or any > other > > politician.(Although we do have the best Congress $money$ can buy > - with > > maybe a dozen exceptions.....maybe) > > > > This is one reason why I listen to and get most of my national and > world > > news from the BBC and the VOA (which uses actual reporters, not > > entertainers) > > > > The role of the press is to be the 4th Estate and to report the > news and > to > > be a watchdog of the government , not to parrot talking points or > any > > political party,whether the talking points are from the left or > the right > or > > anywhere in between. > > > > As far as the "forged" documents go in the CBS news case about G W > Bush > > being AWOL, the alleged forgery became the story (a smokescreen) > and as > such > > obliterated the facts, not whether or not the facts were true and > it has > > been documented repeatedly that after the National Guard spent > many tax > > dollars training Mr Bush, he never showed up to take the pilot > physical > on > > the original date or subsequent dates, thus many tax dollars went > down > the > > drain; perhaps someone has some documentation (not forged, of > course) > > showing that Mr Bush repaid the National Guard for all the > training he > > received, but chose not follow up on, since he was never > available for > the > > physical.(I've heard some people say that he may have been afraid > he > would > > fail the drug test, but as far as I know, that has not been > documented > one > > way or another) > > > > I know when I was in the military, people in similar situations > were > billed > > for the training, which is not cheap. > > > > Rush does push the "distrust" media button, but it's not the first > time > in > > our nation's history that someone has made the media the issue; > the > > distrust the media issue has been used before, granted, Rush has > perfected > > this. > > > > Rush is an entertainer and I do find him to be as entertaining as > Barbara > > Walters (aka Ba Ba Wa Wa), but I certainly wouldn't' t take either > one of > > them seriously on any serious issues. They have opinions and if > Kevin > > Redding is reading this, I'm sure as another Navy veteran, he can > tell > you a > > saying, I'm sure he heard during active duty about people and > opinions.( > > Everyone has an opinion, sometimes based on facts, sometimes > not). > > > > I believe it was used as an issue after evangelist Amy Simple > McPherson's > > feigned kidnapping/drowning scenario in May 1926 and I understand > that > both > > political/religious sides took potshots at any newspaper that > didn't > support > > their view on the slavery issue in the 1850's through and > including the > > Civil War.(and afterwards through Reconstruction) > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: "Scott Todd" > > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > To: > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Melbourne Report > > Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 10:54:04 -0500 > > > > The distrust of the media began long before that- more like with > the > > ascendency of Rush Limbaugh back in the 80s. Murdoch was merely > taking > > advantage of what was already there. Pile onto that the blogs > which > exposed > > the faked "Bush was AWOL" memos (I personally know John > Hinderaker, one of > > the guys who exposed the forgery) and other manufactured news, and > you can > > see why the major news networks have fallen. BTW- you can start > breathing > > easier about ol' Rupert. He's getting chummy with Hillary now. > > > > Scott Todd > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Amy Mousie" > > > > > > That's being nice, y'know? I blame Murdoch for changinng the > face and > > > tome of all media in the US to the point that Americans don't > trust > > > their media anymore, not to mention the big consolidation grab > that > > > started in the '80s and culminated in the 1996 > Telecommunications > > > Act! And for the politics? You can thank Murdoch for what we > now have > > > in American government, because Murdoch always supported > ultra- > > > conservative causes. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Aug 06 22:24:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3341 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2006 05:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2006 05:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.164) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2006 05:24:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 39797 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2006 05:24:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20060807052455.39795.qmail@web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.240.134.225] by web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 22:24:55 PDT Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 22:24:55 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: AT40 on XM Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=goLeGGvUamdDO3l-O946RO4mOGSAbyVc9Q1UCmp3VdmTY6QDgOguupA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Anybody listening to American Top 40 marathon this weekend on XM7? Pipe it into your AM Stereo AlfredoLite and it's just like old times again! It's great! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Aug 06 22:37:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89415 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2006 05:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2006 05:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.176.247) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2006 05:37:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 36163 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2006 05:37:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20060807053741.36161.qmail@web25814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [74.226.206.190] by web25814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 22:37:41 PDT Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 22:37:41 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060807052455.39795.qmail@web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.176.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AT40 on XM Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=W5Zrnega5qO-TMkMSL0OHZ3dlHdUZiNsVHM7D3CBiv-Tz9-cSRD_ X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke John, I'm listening. I also listened to the 80s one last night. The one tonight is great, the top 50 songs of the decade of the 70s. XM is just great like this. I hope more and more AM stations start serving us oldie lovers. The FM band has all but abandoned us oldie lovers. I'm an oldie lover and I'm only 32. I wasn't even born in the 60s, lol! I do love the music though. The 60s and 70s generation had such great music and did so much to influence american pop culture. Some of us are willing to keep the banner flying! -Kevin --- "John P." wrote: > Anybody listening to American Top 40 marathon this > weekend on XM7? Pipe it > into your AM Stereo AlfredoLite and it's just like > old times again! It's great! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Aug 06 23:50:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83903 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2006 06:50:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2006 06:50:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao03.cox.net) (68.230.241.36) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2006 06:50:26 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060807064937.NBDL2704.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@[192.168.0.2]> for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 02:49:37 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060807052455.39795.qmail@web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060807052455.39795.qmail@web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 23:49:36 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} AT40 on XM Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=xAYgULdXv35IdeLyLsZoaMrqvlIOcZvh-sXsHDYooco3Lh_eyPYMEDgzZ3XL X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not really like old times ... I used to listen to AT 40 on a Realistic Astronaut 4-band mono radio. It was AM though. I listened to music on AM far, far longer than most of my friends. Then the entire band left me ... Richard On Aug 6, 2006, at 10:24 PM, John P. wrote: > Anybody listening to American Top 40 marathon this weekend on XM7? > Pipe it > into your AM Stereo AlfredoLite and it's just like old times again! > It's great! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Aug 07 04:01:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72597 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2006 10:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2006 10:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s13.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.213) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2006 10:58:27 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.17]) by bay0-omc3-s13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 7 Aug 2006 03:57:26 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 03:57:26 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:57:21 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:57:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2006 10:57:26.0707 (UTC) FILETIME=[45089030:01C6BA10] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: RE: {AMSF} AT40 on XM Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=dHFwd8Wolx0V51kiw2Lf53PHVTrLPAKjE_DM3X_l9JfLaAvXxaXh5zkqGMk X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Hi John, I've been listening to American Top 40 on and off this weekend for both the 70's and 80's and love it. Not only is it nice to hear music, that most oldies stations (that are left) can't be bothered to play, but the presentation and the interesting tidbits presented are interesting. For example I was surprised to learn that the first million selling single wasn't the Beatles, wasn't Elvis, wasn't Bing Crosby, but a guy I had never heard of........ Gene Austin singing "Blue Heaven" back in the 1920's. I looked it up and not only did it sell a million, but Gene Austin's "Blue Heaven" sold several million. It's wonderful. Donn St Petersburg,FL From: "John P." Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" Subject: {AMSF} AT40 on XM Radio Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 22:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Anybody listening to American Top 40 marathon this weekend on XM7? Pipe it into your AM Stereo AlfredoLite and it's just like old times again! It's great! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2006 11:25:53.0057 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E18E910:01C6BA14] Return-Path: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Free Sony STR-AV470, needs work X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=Lbn2VAt3cm5l1Oi7aqu6A0CggkURBt07J_F7HGYGOZGH X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Hey Kevin, What is going on with the Sony STR-AV470?? Did you get my email with my address??? ------------------------------------------------ Thank You, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." To: Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:18 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Free Sony STR-AV470, needs work OK folks, according to the order in which your e-mails arrived, Rev. Robert got first dibs on the Sony, so the rest of you can withold any further offers. Thanks for the interest! From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Mon Aug 07 04:40:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87120 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2006 11:40:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2006 11:40:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s11.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.147) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2006 11:40:15 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.162.76]) by bay0-omc2-s11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 7 Aug 2006 04:39:03 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 04:39:02 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.40.196.13 by BAY108-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 11:38:57 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 07:38:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2006 11:39:02.0610 (UTC) FILETIME=[14B52320:01C6BA16] Return-Path: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.147 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Free Sony STR-AV470, needs work X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=GceskNQfrUUdwtfvymilbagAJ8TXz0e7r9QsNkxEiat2 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd oops :0 Wrong adress :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" To: Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 7:25 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Free Sony STR-AV470, needs work > Hey Kevin, > > What is going on with the Sony STR-AV470?? > > Did you get my email with my address??? > > ------------------------------------------------ > Thank You, > > Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis > Universal Life Ministries (ULC) > http://www.ulc.org > > Moderator Hunterdonfree > http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin T." > To: > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:18 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Free Sony STR-AV470, needs work > > > OK folks, according to the order in which your e-mails arrived, > Rev. Robert got first dibs on the Sony, so the rest of you can > withold any further offers. Thanks for the interest! > > > > > > > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Aug 07 08:25:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5422 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2006 15:24:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2006 15:24:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.158) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2006 15:24:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 74805 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2006 15:24:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20060807152400.74803.qmail@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 08:24:00 PDT Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 08:24:00 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=M9f9Ie-8omR-ibZ9WIMcS_nhNPkl69j9vK8SFsHnm8m-6wvAz3j3XD4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio ..."were revealed by Rupert Murdoch, head of a rival media organization..." No surprise there - FOX-bashing other media. "...Bill Clinton said that, although the reports were accurate,..." Well, if they're accurate, then what more can you ask for? No need to 'sugar coat' the news. While listening to a Canadian AM stereo station I was saddend to learn that five Canadian soldiers killed last week in one of our wars. Wow, and the Canadian TV stations actually show flag-draped coffins - because that is what war is about - young men & women dying - or maimed for life. This administration's thoughts are that if you don't see it, you might not know that it's happening - sad, very sad what our media has digressed to. now, back to the stereo music.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Aug 07 14:48:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60607 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2006 21:39:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2006 21:39:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.137) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2006 21:39:44 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.38]) by bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:37:27 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:37:26 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 21:37:24 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 21:37:24 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2006 21:37:26.0639 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD2D2FF0:01C6BA69] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Media Distrust - Off Topic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=MUCJd9wVnq0Fyd3D6NOlc0c9r9VUJk9UF9GIlzcD6dIMdz5aIiIe4gopIMU X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo "First - The VOA is a propaganda operation of the US Government. I hardly think one could recommend such as a reliable news source, even though it may be." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh, I think one could recommend the VOA as a reliable news source.(I have listened to VOA recently) I believe, most people on this list know that the VOA is operated by the U.S. government and as such, could be considered propaganda. That aside I hadn't listened to the VOA in several years, not having a way to access it after losing my shortwave radio to a fatal injury. (to the radio) and I had read that there had been some major cuts in VOA funding and some internal strife within the VOA within the last 18 months, so I was pleasantly surprised that when listening to the VOA starting last month, that it seems to present the news in a straight forward manner. If I rule out the VOA as propaganda, then I would certainly have to rule out anything trotted out by any of our politicians including the highest of them as propaganda and I don't totally distrust the government. There are some honest politicians (granted they are in the minority) and there is some honest reporting on the VOA. The VOA and BBC both had large roles in keeping Nazi occupied areas of Europe informed during World War II and both worked overtime to keep Eastern Europe informed during the cold war, I wouldn't consider either one biased against the U.S. simply because they don't parrot their respective government agenda, but rather report the news. If I didn't want to think these things out myself and simply wanted to listen to a parrot, I would go to PetsMart. _______________________________________________________________________________ The BBC is not perfect (no individual or institution or corporation is), I don't perceive a religious biases, but I have to confess, I don't try to get my news or world view from their soaps, anymore than I would try to get an insight on news or world views from Rupert Murdock's Fox by watching any of Fox's reality shows or the Simpsons. (both are entertainment). It seems as though more than one of the anti-BBC quotes are attributed to or leaked by Rupert, hardly an unbiased source, since the BBC is a competitor of his media empire. Since all the U.S. news sources outside VOA, seem to focus more and more on Michael Jackson, whether Britney Spears marriage will last, is she pregnant, what is the latest on Tom Cruise ad nauseam, I do have to go outside the box to get world news and I have found that the BBC Newshour and "World Have Your Say" (where callers from all over the world call in and give their differing points of view) I can get a pretty good grasp on what is going on world-wide. I'm sure I could find hundreds of quotes of professional newscasters and politicians and everyday people saying how wonderful the BBC is, but rather than gather pages of quotes, I am just giving my personal observations from what I listen to rather than quoting others. It's also my own personal opinion that ALL news sources are biased to a degree, for whatever reason, economics, politics, a personal agenda or vendetta or a religious agenda (for or against), so to me it's plain common sense for anyone to get their news from a variety of sources and then make up their own mind, taking in all sides and shades of information. I could go on, but I think, John of Toledo, summed things up pretty well. Donn, in the am-stereo free zone of St. Petersburg From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Aug 07 15:02:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33617 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2006 21:43:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2006 21:43:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s23.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.95) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2006 21:43:37 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.20]) by bay0-omc1-s23.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:42:22 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:42:22 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 21:42:20 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20060807152400.74803.qmail@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 21:42:20 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2006 21:42:22.0180 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D552A40:01C6BA6A] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.95 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=pAkm-IuzZHu-BA5CAUB25-lTxnLxD9M2aIbRFIiIMS4DeZHdVM72FEgC1MQ X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo John of Toledo wrote: "...Bill Clinton said that, although the reports were accurate,..." Well, if they're accurate, then what more can you ask for? No need to 'sugar coat' the news. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Good rational points, John, and for those that like their news sugar-coated, there are plenty of options. Donn ----Original Message Follows---- From: "John P." Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 08:24:00 -0700 (PDT) ..."were revealed by Rupert Murdoch, head of a rival media organization..." No surprise there - FOX-bashing other media. c While listening to a Canadian AM stereo station I was saddend to learn that five Canadian soldiers killed last week in one of our wars. Wow, and the Canadian TV stations actually show flag-draped coffins - because that is what war is about - young men & women dying - or maimed for life. This administration's thoughts are that if you don't see it, you might not know that it's happening - sad, very sad what our media has digressed to. now, back to the stereo music.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon Aug 07 17:18:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+Zdoh+48+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62851 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2006 00:18:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2006 00:18:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2006 00:18:04 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.194]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 105960844 for ; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 19:18:01 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004d01c6ba80$e02d8e60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060807152400.74803.qmail@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:23:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.208.194 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=1EIlpo-XtnbOr8GunRs3b442aoH8trMB2U_VHxXqPCuoVxE2yzZH X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Just because you don't like FOX doesn't mean their criticism is invalid. As for Bill Clinton, what was his "proof"? Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." > ..."were revealed by Rupert Murdoch, head of a rival media organization..." > No surprise there - FOX-bashing other media. > > "...Bill Clinton said that, although the reports were accurate,..." > Well, if they're accurate, then what more can you ask for? No need to 'sugar > coat' the news. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon Aug 07 17:21:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+Zdoh+48+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55214 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2006 00:20:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2006 00:20:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2006 00:20:44 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.194]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 105961209 for ; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 19:20:42 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <005901c6ba81$404be120$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <380-22006806121138359@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:26:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.194 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=iGBIG_wUbmbVfddI_fqIYP8qf7WiK-68dhClPTFW31r-23zcMiqT X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Big money = conservative??? Do you have any idea of how the top 0.1% of wage earners vote? 2:1 Democrat! Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick W." > While at one time I think it was true that the press had a liberal slant, > now that corporate money dominates radio, it's obvious that the > conservatives own radio almost 100%. The unfortunate thing about all this > is that it's dangerous for either the left or the right to control the > media where the public obtains most of its information. There is a real > threat to the democracy when reporting is not straightforward and factual. > We'll have to wait and see how all this plays out. > Dick W. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Aug 07 18:16:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5266 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2006 01:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2006 01:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s8.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.80) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2006 01:16:26 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.18]) by bay0-omc1-s8.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 7 Aug 2006 18:15:22 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 18:15:22 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 01:15:16 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 01:15:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2006 01:15:22.0029 (UTC) FILETIME=[1EB75DD0:01C6BA88] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.80 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=CJz_nxsVO0fIgH5hzrqXaEy-otvmPs7vZ1YU7SlJB4PtvlwCgHUEaeqOBgQ X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Proof of the BBC being accurate? OR proof that the BBC stacked it's criticism of the U.S. government's slow response to the Katrina catasophre? The complete quote was: Bill Clinton said that, although the reports were accurate, they were "stacked up" to criticize the federal government's slow response to the catastrophe without focusing on any of the relief efforts or the magnitude of the task. AND that post that quote came from also had a quote from Tony Blair saying about the same thing and those quotes were supposed to be proof enough that the BBC is biased. btw- I was listening to the BBC night and day after Katrina, knowing that the next hurricane could hit here and I was certainly hoping and praying that FEMA would get it's act together. The BBC did emphasize how Wal-Mart was filling the void and although I'm not fond of Wal-Mart, I am thankful, that Wal-Mart(whatever their motive) did provide water and other supplies that FEMA could not or would not supply. If anyone on this list actually listened to the BBC for any length of time after Katrina, they (being rational) would have to conclude that their coverage was thorough and I didn't hear any anti- U.S. bias, but the facts weren't pretty. There was much blame to go around and the BBC did mention the state government's shortcomings as well as the city of New Orleans as well as some of the residents themselves. So I'm sure they offended many groups of people and politicians in reporting the news. Donn ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Scott Todd" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:23:25 -0500 Just because you don't like FOX doesn't mean their criticism is invalid. As for Bill Clinton, what was his "proof"? Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." > ..."were revealed by Rupert Murdoch, head of a rival media organization..." > No surprise there - FOX-bashing other media. > > "...Bill Clinton said that, although the reports were accurate,..." > Well, if they're accurate, then what more can you ask for? No need to 'sugar > coat' the news. From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Mon Aug 07 19:46:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97259 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2006 02:43:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2006 02:43:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2006 02:43:12 -0000 Received: from [4.247.127.7] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GAHYR-000216-MN for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 22:42:52 -0400 Message-ID: <380-2200682824251725@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.112.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 22:42:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcf72c1c85c2ef6742c244089ea0a85e02350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=n_R3HckYCtVWU-UqkMMedNPxhAm6FGRn8_ywguVHnJQm4A I didn't say "Big Money" - I said corporate money. Sometimes there is a difference. I would agree that many people who have inherited great wealth (as opposed to having worked for it) are often liberal - but for whatever reason, they don't seem to attempt to control radio. Even if they did, I would think it's dangerous to the Republic for either side to control the information sources. I'm obviously speaking from the bias of a middle-of-the-road person. Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Scott Todd > To: > Date: 8/7/2006 8:21:27 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC > > > Big money = conservative??? Do you have any idea of how the top 0.1% of > wage earners vote? 2:1 Democrat! > > Scott > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dick W." > > > > > While at one time I think it was true that the press had a liberal slant, > > now that corporate money dominates radio, it's obvious that the > > conservatives own radio almost 100%. The unfortunate thing about all this > > is that it's dangerous for either the left or the right to control the > > media where the public obtains most of its information. There is a real > > threat to the democracy when reporting is not straightforward and factual. > > We'll have to wait and see how all this plays out. > > Dick W. > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From w6yn@juno.com Mon Aug 07 19:59:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85518 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2006 02:59:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2006 02:59:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2006 02:59:05 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABCPR9PZAZJC5JS for (sender ); Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:57:59 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLGegUI9/zKh7XiHP+VgD+b4= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LW8JG663; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 19:57:47 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:51:36 -0700 Message-ID: <20060807.195653.2744.9.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1,4-5,7-8,10-13,15-33 X-ContentStamp: 12:6:33687492 X-MAIL-INFO:058afa9e6f2f47eb7a3a6f03b3672b3e473e4e23e3974b2b9bbbeeae02375a83a7a73783a7ef9fe39befbeebda87075eaa5fbb97ab X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=_22OBtb4wsagoMgdB72vKfw3ljYhqImaVddjytq7fg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn I find that most people who dislike the Fox News Channel have never watched it. I have a friend who just hates it and what do you know, he has never seen it. The FNC is on a tier that his satellite service doesn't provide to him. There has to be a reason that more persons are watching FNC than all other news channels combined. I watch only one hour ant that is the "Special Report with Brit Hume" and find the presentation to be very objective and revealing. Don On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:23:25 -0500 "Scott Todd" writes: > Just because you don't like FOX doesn't mean their criticism is > invalid. As > for Bill Clinton, what was his "proof"? > > Scott > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John P." > > > ..."were revealed by Rupert Murdoch, head of a rival media > organization..." > > No surprise there - FOX-bashing other media. > > > > "...Bill Clinton said that, although the reports were > accurate,..." > > Well, if they're accurate, then what more can you ask for? No > need to > 'sugar > > coat' the news. From w6yn@juno.com Mon Aug 07 20:21:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90960 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2006 03:21:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2006 03:21:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2006 03:21:15 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABCPSAZUA7VTHKS for (sender ); Mon, 7 Aug 2006 20:20:18 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLPKpdHwWTbfp/PtvLgMKz1Q= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LW8KQ7BW; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 20:19:38 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 20:16:54 -0700 Message-ID: <20060807.201833.2744.12.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,6-7,10-11,14-15,17-24,26-40 X-ContentStamp: 12:6:848618898 X-MAIL-INFO:46c1959994101965f4304d95cdc5ad018551c98090452910e9 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=oaopcpYHODH4n-df53QNmLw7Yx6jkmaDNtzHHRBJ2g X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn I have been around for 7 decades and have seen a lot of changes over those years. One was the term "Corporate" replacing the word "Capitalist" that has formerly used by the "Communists" that are now called "Progressives" and " Environmentalists." Not too long ago "The Homeless" were called everything from "Bums" to "Social Parasites." The richest people in this country are the ones supporting the left wing causes. The middle class and the upwardly mobile tend to support a more conservative position. An interesting note is that single women tend to vote Democrat. Married women lean more Republican. If only men voted, Bill Clinton would have never been president. Of course the dependant class and those who view themselves as victims will almost always vote Democrat. It's an interesting study. Don On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 22:42:51 -0400 "Dick W." writes: > I didn't say "Big Money" - I said corporate money. Sometimes there > is a > difference. I would agree that many people who have inherited > great > wealth (as opposed to having worked for it) are often liberal - but > for > whatever reason, they don't seem to attempt to control radio. Even > if > they did, I would think it's dangerous to the Republic for either > side to > control the information sources. > > I'm obviously speaking from the bias of a middle-of-the-road > person. > Dick W. From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Aug 07 20:53:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55163 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2006 03:53:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2006 03:53:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.73) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2006 03:53:43 -0000 Received: from ibm69aec.bellsouth.net ([70.146.97.16]) by imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060808035339.WUOZ2467.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm69aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 23:53:39 -0400 Received: from JUAN ([70.146.97.16]) by ibm69aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20060808035338.DMDV14648.ibm69aec.bellsouth.net@JUAN> for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 23:53:38 -0400 Message-ID: <002901c6ba9e$3a7c46a0$0301a8c0@JUAN> To: References: <20060807.195653.2744.9.w6yn@juno.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 23:53:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0631-3, 08/04/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 205.152.59.73 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=IdzpYkrDZlsHpOugKu6Oh8OlXD8ZBd41zzLbB3-nGsqlUoc X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let me add my two cents here......Fox has Higher "total persons" ratings than CNN. The uninformed would assume that this means that more people watch Fox News Channel for News than CNN. Not so, more people watch CNN for News, Fox for the Nighttime Entertainment, and this leads to the fact that FOXNEWS has higher overall ratings. There IS a reason more people watch Fox News.......It must be the wit of O'Reilly and Hannity.....Those whacky guys are keeping us safe from the Liberals. God Bless Them ! We Report, You Decide........:-> If We can pass it by the White House. Juan Ft. Pierce ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 10:51 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC I find that most people who dislike the Fox News Channel have never watched it. I have a friend who just hates it and what do you know, he has never seen it. The FNC is on a tier that his satellite service doesn't provide to him. There has to be a reason that more persons are watching FNC than all other news channels combined. I watch only one hour ant that is the "Special Report with Brit Hume" and find the presentation to be very objective and revealing. Don On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:23:25 -0500 "Scott Todd" writes: > Just because you don't like FOX doesn't mean their criticism is > invalid. As > for Bill Clinton, what was his "proof"? > > Scott > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John P." > > > ..."were revealed by Rupert Murdoch, head of a rival media > organization..." > > No surprise there - FOX-bashing other media. > > > > "...Bill Clinton said that, although the reports were > accurate,..." > > Well, if they're accurate, then what more can you ask for? No > need to > 'sugar > > coat' the news. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Mon Aug 07 21:14:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54829 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2006 04:13:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2006 04:13:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO act-MTAout1.csiro.au) (150.229.7.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2006 04:13:17 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.56]) by act-MTAout1.csiro.au with ESMTP; 08 Aug 2006 14:12:23 +1000 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.07,220,1151848800"; d="scan'208,217"; a="105546133:sNHT78982264" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:12:02 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:12:01 +1000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Re: Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC Thread-Index: Aca6lpZj/2PLLSk/SOuUZFfdP3w42gABaHsQ To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2006 04:12:02.0249 (UTC) FILETIME=[CCF09390:01C6BAA0] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.7.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=FUngRoq2JTCaWSzZAJJfFOdBxRkr-dQ4fOA7D8MUYGjk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Don Milbury I've stayed out of this so far but need to say ... > I find that most people who dislike the Fox News Channel have > never watched it. I see. And I suppose the people who do like Fox News Channel never watch it. Good one. > There has to be a reason that more persons are watching FNC > than all other news channels combined. There is. It's entertaining and "feel good". It's very patriotic with the US flag always waiving in the background. People want to believe it (often the case with propaganda). The trouble is that it's not objective balanced or even honest. Murdoch tells it what to say on a daily basis. Like who to call a "terrorist" as opposed to a "freedom fighter" etc. > An interesting note is that single women tend to vote Democrat. > Married women lean more Republican. If only men voted, Bill Clinton > would have never been president. Well thank heavens that women vote. Clinton was a statesman admired and respected around the world. The current imbecile in the White House is the most dangerous president in history. One wonders how much more havoc he's about to cause worldwide over the next 2.5 years. And the US debt is appalling. The best thing he could do for world peace is pre-emptively abdicate. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Aug 07 22:42:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36334 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2006 05:42:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2006 05:42:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.189) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2006 05:42:32 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n22.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2006 05:42:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2006 05:42:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2006 05:42:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 05:42:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.51.197 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=mFHSLPVQ8BB8bwov9dAoREw_-eLF4BhilRzdvgPnjxTMCn_E X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie As someone who happens to be a liberal and a progressive, I take=20 exception to being lobbed together with communists. Comunism has=20 nothing to do with personal liberties, social equality for different=20 peoples, or civil and human rights under the law. Also, liberals such=20 as myself don't want state ownership of businesses and personal=20 properties in our names or the name of the "working people", but we=20 do want the State to act as mediator between the Minority and the=20 Majority. We want everyone, from the lone individual to the biggest=20 of business to act socially responsible, and when that may require=20 regulation to make it so, that's when we push for such regulation. As for the issue of "welfare", keep in mind there are many who would=20 rather leave the unfortunate- the aged, the children, the disabled=20 and ill- to fend for themselves. If people called themselves "good=20 Christians", they would always help those least able to do this.=20 Instead, this is a job for a government that is supposed to be=20 representative of, for and by the people, to give a helping hand to=20 those who are unable to do so for themselves. Yes, there are abusers=20 of the system, as there are for every system, but to punish the=20 unfortunate for being unfortunate? That runs against what Jesus=20 taught! Speaking of, most liberals/progressives are not anti-religious- Most,=20 like everyone else, are involved in their faiths, active in their=20 churches, etc. I, myself, am a Deist, in the same mold as Franklin,=20 Jefferson, Paine, Washington and others. Just believing in God goes=20 against orthodox communism! That being said, I've watched and heard Fox News, and I do find them=20 overly biased- Even seeming to kiss up to whatever the administration=20 wants. As for the BBC's coverage of post-Katrina/Rita... Well, since I heard=20 the goings on from the source- New Orleans' WWL- I'd have to say the=20 BBC was certainly fair and accurate over the whole circumstance. It=20 wasn't just a natural disaster, it was a humanitarian disaster! And as for reporting, I tend to prefer the BBC, CBC, Radio=20 Netherlands and Deutche Welle over most American news services,=20 although I think ABC's radio news service, outside of the talk shows,=20 is also reliable, in my opinion. (Note I said the radio newes=20 service, not the TV news service.) And I wouldn't call the UK's Tony Blair a liberal, and I think most=20 Britons don't, either- New Labour has been running on the platform of=20 Margaret Thatcher's Tory party for some years, now, and Mrs. Thatcher=20 could hardly have been called "liberal"! This is my one an only post on this subject. I, too, would prefer a=20 return to radio, rather than politics. (Especially since I've been humming Bob Seger's "Night Moves" for=20 several days, now...) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Aug 08 04:33:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73811 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2006 11:32:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2006 11:32:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.228) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2006 11:32:24 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.19]) by bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 8 Aug 2006 04:32:20 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 04:32:20 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:32:19 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:32:19 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2006 11:32:20.0706 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F913420:01C6BADE] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.228 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Distrust of the Media-off topic(Where's the beef?,Where's the Proof?) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=frwEiaMB47GErDd5TgP9HyN0ZrfAFWihiqPdVv8hux8G9OqNmyofg7BD4PY X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo quote: "Big money = conservative??? Do you have any idea of how the top 0.1% of wage earners vote? 2:1 Democrat! _____________________________________________________ AND THE PROOF of the above quote?? I have been looking for proof of this; I have yet to find the statistics of how the highest paid/salaried 3,000 people (the top .01 percent) in the country vote. I went to http://www.Census.gov and while they had some statistics on the top 5 percent of the population, they did not once get into politics and to be honest I don't recall being asked that question on the 2000 census. Now, if this quote was actually referring to wage earners (as opposed to CEO's and the non-working wealthy), this quote may very well be true...... since the democrats make more promises to the working stiffs. (wage earners). ....... and I will be the first to admit that all these promises aren't kept, just as all promises aren't kept of either party. But if this quote was actually referring to the wealthiest 3,000 people in this country of nearly 300,000,000 then if they are voting democrat, they are voting against their own self interest, since the current congress and president have been working very hard in their behalf to reduce their taxes. (trying to repeal the estate tax, cutting down on auditors to monitor estate tax claims etc). So I wish someone would give me the source of this information, an official source, not a biased "think" tank. I know according to the RNC, we are not to believe exit polls (and the media has repeated that over and over, that one cannot always trust exit polls) and since we have a secret ballot, I really find it hard to believe that accurate statistics could even exists on this. I know it is public record of how many voters are registered as democrats, republicans, independents etc, but not everyone registered to a political party votes a straight party line. (I don't and I suspect I'm not the lone exception out of nearly 300 million people) Donn, St Petersburg ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Scott Todd" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:26:08 -0500 Big money = conservative??? Do you have any idea of how the top 0.1% of wage earners vote? 2:1 Democrat! Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick W." > While at one time I think it was true that the press had a liberal slant, > now that corporate money dominates radio, it's obvious that the > conservatives own radio almost 100%. The unfortunate thing about all this > is that it's dangerous for either the left or the right to control the > media where the public obtains most of its information. There is a real > threat to the democracy when reporting is not straightforward and factual. > We'll have to wait and see how all this plays out. > Dick W. From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Tue Aug 08 05:06:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43688 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2006 12:05:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2006 12:05:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2006 12:05:55 -0000 Received: from [4.247.123.31] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GAQKg-0000a7-1p for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 08:05:14 -0400 Message-ID: <380-2200682812514265@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.112.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 08:05:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc717b43680a8bd8dcf8dfe5b9ab917a19350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=99U3mHfxPpT8PQi9by4ZKMIkbSdhQY1_AI1DYVS1FM8flQ There have been some interesting and thought-provoking comments posted from all sides. However, we probably should return to radio and am stereo, and leave the politics aside. Politics is something that people will never agree on anyway. That's why we lucky people have elections. Dick W. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Aug 08 05:44:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45959 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2006 12:41:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2006 12:41:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.138) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2006 12:41:34 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.34]) by bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 8 Aug 2006 05:40:53 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 05:40:53 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 12:40:47 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <380-2200682812514265@earthlink.net> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 12:40:47 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2006 12:40:53.0474 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2F7CC20:01C6BAE7] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.138 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Back to Radio and 1090 am out of Tennessee X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=4JC8YJrQYW1WCSekPXwEwClRtsP8pg1XLBJatWdwCMY8eCQusFVt8J4MSHY X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Does anyone know if the 1090 out of Tennessee is still broadcasting at night? I should have checked it out earlier, but I did check it out both this past Thursday and Friday on the GE Super Radio III and all I could get on 1090 was a weak KAAY. (with a Cuban station in the background, of course!) Donn, St Petersburg ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Dick W." Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 08:05:14 -0400 There have been some interesting and thought-provoking comments posted from all sides. However, we probably should return to radio and am stereo, and leave the politics aside. Politics is something that people will never agree on anyway. That's why we lucky people have elections. Dick W. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Aug 08 06:57:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26242 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2006 13:53:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2006 13:53:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2006 13:53:08 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-75-201.dhcp.embarqhsd.net ([71.51.75.201] helo=PossumHunter) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GARxO-0002pG-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:49:18 -0400 Message-ID: <011801c6baf1$6f708e90$6705a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:49:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Back to Radio and 1090 am out of Tennessee X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=SQFxE_HOx1dPQC3XdPBi1U55aqMd-5UQJ7rK9--aKRu0E6sZA06mMXonSarmLw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1090 stopped cheating the night before I came back to Florida. All I get on my Grundig S-350 is Cuba on 1090. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:40 AM Subject: {AMSF} Back to Radio and 1090 am out of Tennessee > Does anyone know if the 1090 out of Tennessee is still broadcasting at > night? > > I should have checked it out earlier, but I did check it out both this past > Thursday and Friday on the GE Super Radio III and all I could get on 1090 > was a weak KAAY. (with a Cuban station in the background, of course!) > > Donn, > St Petersburg > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Dick W." > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC > Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 08:05:14 -0400 > > There have been some interesting and thought-provoking comments posted from > all sides. However, we probably should return to radio and am stereo, and > leave the politics aside. Politics is something that people will never > agree on anyway. That's why we lucky people have elections. > Dick W. > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Aug 08 08:50:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73717 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2006 15:50:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2006 15:50:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.228) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2006 15:50:21 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.42]) by bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 8 Aug 2006 08:50:18 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 08:50:17 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:50:16 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:50:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2006 15:50:17.0605 (UTC) FILETIME=[58849350:01C6BB02] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Back to Radio and 1090 am out of Tennessee X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=TUrNA2smzuxW0-51xgbG0Pa2lPOVlP-klsKQRHuhaZ1GaIvpIZ3p4c_TeUg X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Thanks Kevin, When I checked, I was surprised to even be able to receive KAAY, since most of the time, it's just the Cuban station on 1090. The Cuban stations were booming in at 550, 590, 620,640, 670,710 etc and even on Clearchannel's corporations, WDAE - 620AM I could hear the Cuban station in the background and 620 has a very strong signal level here; also heard the Cuban stations in the background of other locals, including 570 and 910. Donn 300 hundred miles due north of Havana (actually 295) ______________________________________________________ From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Back to Radio and 1090 am out of Tennessee Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:49:13 -0400 1090 stopped cheating the night before I came back to Florida. All I get on my Grundig S-350 is Cuba on 1090. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:40 AM Subject: {AMSF} Back to Radio and 1090 am out of Tennessee >Does anyone know if the 1090 out of Tennessee is still broadcasting at >night? > >I should have checked it out earlier, but I did check it out both this past >Thursday and Friday on the GE Super Radio III and all I could get on 1090 >was a weak KAAY. (with a Cuban station in the background, of course!) > >Donn, >St Petersburg > > > From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 08 12:54:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72144 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2006 19:54:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2006 19:54:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52207.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.130) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2006 19:54:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 55267 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2006 19:54:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20060808195430.55265.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.255] by web52207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 12:54:30 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:54:30 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Back to Radio and 1090 am out of Tennessee X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=2ZChAtl0uVk6C3yn_TupIQFF13aQZbsRyiPJYWwm6YQ X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Donn Tillman wrote: > Does anyone know if the 1090 out of Tennessee is > still broadcasting at night? > I should have checked it out earlier, but I did > check it out both this past > Thursday and Friday on the GE Super Radio III and > all I could get on 1090 > was a weak KAAY. (with a Cuban station in the > background, of course!) > Donn, > St Petersburg I haven't heard them. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Aug 08 18:52:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68429 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2006 01:52:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2006 01:52:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.22) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2006 01:52:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2006 01:52:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2006 01:52:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 01:52:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060808195430.55265.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.9.132 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Back to Radio and 1090 am out of Tennessee X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=cCHWxrs9n9uB80b-AZzWYTgkp6-3-kSF9gWLquk1VPngUBBo X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Meanwhile, as I listen to CKMX Classic Country 1060 of Calgary, AB,=20 Canada onn my Aiwa CR-DS805 in full stereo, while preparing to pass out=20 for the night........... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w6yn@juno.com Tue Aug 08 22:59:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13421 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2006 05:58:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2006 05:58:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2006 05:58:50 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABCPU8LXAWVASBA for (sender ); Tue, 8 Aug 2006 22:57:41 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLIqgASXTpoMdAUtASkjZIEE= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LXBE6LEY; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 22:57:18 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 22:56:27 -0700 Message-ID: <20060808.225631.4868.21.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-5,8-11,14-15,17-18,21-22,26-27,35-36,44-47,49-56 X-ContentStamp: 18:9:3661540160 X-MAIL-INFO:5ad1ddfd1071f0d9517009dd60a06921e975156149910c714d X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=i7eu8so3sCxLZrrU4vsczfhCtqS6UDkqB0YR18DRxQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn That's why we should always rely on facts: On July 28, 2006, a Muslim entered the building of the Seattle Jewish Federation and shot every Jew he saw, murdering one woman and wounding five others. On the same day, Mel Gibson was arrested on DUI charges and while intoxicated let loose with anti-Semitic invective at the Jewish police officer who arrested him. Question: Which story has most troubled the Left? The answer is known to any American who can hear or read. So, the real question is: Why? Why has the shooting and murder of Jews elicited less angst from the Left than the anti-Semitic statements made by Mel Gibson when drunk? The answers are very troubling. As Time magazine said about global warming (but never about Islamic terror), "Be worried, very worried." We should be worried about this: The liberal world fears -- and much of it loathes -- fundamentalist Christians considerably more than it does fundamentalist Muslims. This is as true of most Jewish liberals -- even though conservative Christians are Israel's and the Jews' most loyal supporters and even though Nazi-like anti-Semitism permeates much of the Muslim world -- as it is of most other liberals, certainly including the mainstream media. That is why Jewish writer Zev Chafets wrote in the Los Angeles Times, "On the same day Gibson got into trouble in Malibu, a fellow named Naveed Afzal Haq brought a pistol to the Jewish Federation office in Seattle and shot six women, killing one. Two days later, this personal jihad -- one of the most gory anti-Jewish crimes in American history -- got second billing on the ADL website, under "Mel Gibson's Apology for Tirade 'Insufficient.' " (For the record, the ADL later announced it had accepted Mel Gibson's apology.) This is one more example of the greatest flaw of contemporary liberalism -- its inability to recognize and confront the greatest evils. Since the 1960s, when liberalism became indistinguishable from the Left -- e.g., when New York Times positions became indistinguishable from those of The Nation -- liberals tended to attack opponents of evil far more than those who actually committed evil. The Left (around the world) was far more antagonistic to Ronald Reagan than to Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev, and far more disturbed by anti-Communism than by Communism. Don On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 08:05:14 -0400 "Dick W." writes: > There have been some interesting and thought-provoking comments > posted from > all sides. However, we probably should return to radio and am > stereo, and > leave the politics aside. Politics is something that people will > never > agree on anyway. That's why we lucky people have elections. > Dick W. From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Wed Aug 09 02:19:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82242 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2006 09:18:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2006 09:18:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO act-MTAout1.csiro.au) (150.229.7.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2006 09:18:47 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.56]) by act-MTAout1.csiro.au with ESMTP; 09 Aug 2006 19:16:33 +1000 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.07,223,1151848800"; d="dat'59?scan'59,208,59"; a="105684651:sNHT37006168" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:16:12 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:16:12 +1000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Re: Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC Thread-Index: Aca7eVQeo9MPkxB4STmaRMpOu7MMcQAFa/hn References: <20060808.225631.4868.21.w6yn@juno.com> To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2006 09:16:12.0797 (UTC) FILETIME=[7586F2D0:01C6BB94] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.7.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=ESCG1a6NRm7b4ksmSs0bGnHbFCQE5RQAUG1orUHpAMjV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Don Milbury > Why has the shooting and murder of Jews elicited less angst from > the Left than the anti-Semitic statements made by Mel Gibson > when drunk? Because tabloid outfits like Fox News know there's more entertainment value in the Mel Gibson story. Another reason to listen to the BBC. > The answers are very troubling. As Time magazine said about > global warming (but never about Islamic terror), "Be worried, very > worried." > We should be worried about this: The liberal world fears -- and much > of it loathes -- fundamentalist Christians considerably more than it > does fundamentalist Muslims. And with good reason. Look what King George has caused in Iraq. I'd feel much safer had Dubya not invaded a country that had no weapons of mass destruction, had nothing to do with 9/11, and posed no threat to America. Why didn't the press on both sides point this out and question the candidates more assiduously prior to the 2004 election? I reckon the world would be a safer place now if Saddam was still in charge (butcher that he was) under the constraints of the UN. Fundamental Christians are just as dangerous as fundamentalist Muslims. They see things only in black and white, and they prefer to see things this way. I am a Christian. And I see the world in shades of grey. I also believe in what Jesus taught us. That's what makes me a Christian. In free societies (which hopefully we still are) the press should report all sides of any argument. Not turn the news into entertainment, which is what your Rupert Murdoch has done. And don't worry, it's paying off. NewsCorp is doing very nicely. God help Australia if the current conservative goverment's media laws go through, so that this "foreigner" can not only own 70% of our daily newspapers - but also one of the three TV networks, and all of our major talk radio stations. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Wed Aug 09 22:14:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62407 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2006 05:14:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2006 05:14:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2006 05:14:56 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABCPXSCGAJJG6WS for (sender ); Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:12:38 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLP2ra1CFGaNtFRysHvPpsDY= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LXDWYSLC; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 22:12:14 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:11:22 -0700 Message-ID: <20060809.221123.4644.4.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,7-68 X-ContentStamp: 25:12:1455669795 X-MAIL-INFO:4d7e339a6a8ac7bf93c357c76b5727279fc7e70fb3d79b9e67 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=iY38krsgrHMkGHZW3BPhc-PgbXd6AQnqNhcLX4135g X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn I trust you are feeling much better now that you have vented. I'm sorry you have so few connected facts at hand. Did you notice that those suffering from your malady cannot help themselves from calling other people derogatory names? There is probably a medication that can help you with your problem should you consult with your primary care physician. I wish you well. Don On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:16:12 +1000 writes: > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Milbury > > > Why has the shooting and murder of Jews elicited less angst from > > the Left than the anti-Semitic statements made by Mel Gibson > > when drunk? > > Because tabloid outfits like Fox News know there's more > entertainment value in the Mel Gibson story. > > Another reason to listen to the BBC. > > > The answers are very troubling. As Time magazine said about > > global warming (but never about Islamic terror), "Be worried, > very > > worried." > > > We should be worried about this: The liberal world fears -- and > much > > of it loathes -- fundamentalist Christians considerably more than > it > > does fundamentalist Muslims. > > And with good reason. > > Look what King George has caused in Iraq. I'd feel much safer had > Dubya not invaded a country that had no weapons of mass destruction, > had nothing to do with 9/11, and posed no threat to America. > > Why didn't the press on both sides point this out and question the > candidates more assiduously prior to the 2004 election? > > I reckon the world would be a safer place now if Saddam was still in > charge (butcher that he was) under the constraints of the UN. > > Fundamental Christians are just as dangerous as fundamentalist > Muslims. They see things only in black and white, and they prefer > to see things this way. > > I am a Christian. And I see the world in shades of grey. I also > believe in what Jesus taught us. That's what makes me a Christian. > > In free societies (which hopefully we still are) the press should > report all sides of any argument. Not turn the news into > entertainment, which is what your Rupert Murdoch has done. And > don't worry, it's paying off. NewsCorp is doing very nicely. > > God help Australia if the current conservative goverment's media > laws go through, so that this "foreigner" can not only own 70% of our > daily newspapers - but also one of the three TV networks, and all of > our major talk radio stations. > > > Ian > Melbourne From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Thu Aug 10 02:19:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18325 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2006 09:18:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2006 09:18:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-MTAout1.csiro.au) (150.229.64.37) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2006 09:18:12 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.56]) by vic-MTAout1.csiro.au with ESMTP; 10 Aug 2006 19:18:08 +1000 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.08,109,1154872800"; d="dat'59?scan'59,208,59"; a="89652269:sNHT30815964" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:17:54 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:17:53 +1000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Re: Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC Thread-Index: Aca8PAzFJBzO/G4mTvmGBABXIX0lgwAH4IK6 References: <20060809.221123.4644.4.w6yn@juno.com> To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2006 09:17:54.0115 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC549930:01C6BC5D] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.64.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=KDvgNTAONPT5X-0X-2QZb7FmtBRK5PeCz6xyARQbl77n Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Don Milbury > I trust you are feeling much better now that you have vented. Yes thanks. > I'm sorry you have so few connected facts at hand. Which particular facts did you have in mind? > Did you notice that those suffering from your malady cannot > help themselves from calling other people derogatory names? As I recall I called Bush an "imbecile" which means ... ignoramous fool dimwit cretin moron simpleton I called Saddam a "butcher" which means ... a brutal indiscriminate murderer someone who murders a lot of people especially in a cruel way a slaughterer one who kills in large numbers, or with unusual cruelty Have you a problem with these definitions? > There is probably a medication that can help you with your > problem should you consult with your primary care physician. No medication required. I get off on free speech. > I wish you well. You too Don. I wish no ill towards any of God's creatures. Ian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Thu Aug 10 03:49:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53519 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2006 10:49:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2006 10:49:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2006 10:49:20 -0000 Received: from [4.247.124.109] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GB86H-000572-QU for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 06:49:18 -0400 Message-ID: <380-22006841010491933@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.112.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 06:49:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcd38e759dfdbce8e6f4eb1d40729032ab350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=aSwIWgBhngI_P5Xf-PLu8otB-shnPJFPUkNcE6h2VRomNg I would encourage everyone to respect each other's rights to an opinion, and to keep their comments from being personal. The fact that approximately half of the people voted for the current administration and approximately half didn't shows that there are great divisions in how people view their politics. It's not good to let it become personal. Thanks, everyone! Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: W6YN Don Milbury > To: > Date: 8/10/2006 1:14:58 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC > > I trust you are feeling much better now that you have vented. > > I'm sorry you have so few connected facts at hand. > > Did you notice that those suffering from your malady cannot help > themselves from calling other people derogatory names? There is probably > a medication that can help you with your problem should you consult with > your primary care physician. > > I wish you well. > > Don From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 05:40:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10960 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2006 12:40:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2006 12:40:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2006 12:40:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 62768 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Aug 2006 12:40:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20060810124001.62763.qmail@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 05:40:01 PDT Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 05:40:01 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=RAtJJyYgDq5sUEazGkE8GSN8Sm5SFMM8b_QtjpZ-EmDbIK6HU2fEXeU X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Back to radio time folks... Has anybody been inside the new Mustangs to see if they're putting AMS in those cars? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wnmb@sc.rr.com Thu Aug 10 07:58:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81922 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2006 14:58:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2006 14:58:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2006 14:58:04 -0000 Received: from user40vik86y22 (rrcs-70-61-218-234.midsouth.biz.rr.com [70.61.218.234]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k7ADTZiR024894 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001201c6bc81$037462c0$6401a8c0@user40vik86y22> To: References: <20060810124001.62763.qmail@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:29:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Norman Communications" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=xkaRNJJfdWn-369taOL2MVxVbKFXyAGPx7fyx4cBfLGBag X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a 2005 Mustang GT convertible with the Shaker 500 Sound system. Unfortunately, the AM section is not stereo, and it is a disappointment. However, everything else about the car is fantastic. William Norman, Jr. WNMB: Norman Communications NMB Inc. 429 Pine Avenue North Myrtle Beach, S. C. 29582 Phone 843-249-6NMB e mail: wnmb@sc.rr.com Website: www.wnmb900.com ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:40 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC Back to radio time folks... Has anybody been inside the new Mustangs to see if they're putting AMS in those cars? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From koolstuff_69@yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 08:41:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: koolstuff_69@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17923 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2006 15:41:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2006 15:41:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.195) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2006 15:41:23 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2006 15:41:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2006 15:41:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2006 15:41:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:41:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.35.255.135 From: "koolstuff_69" Subject: am stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=267944071; y=yNYPY54RdBzCHKmLJL764kI-4-4a4c7jkhNjuIOh1Vi0qtql3WSl X-Yahoo-Profile: koolstuff_69 i have been reading this group for about a year and enjoy pretty much all comments. i have been reading many threads about iboc and the coverage it gives in (hd?) for both am and fm. i have learned that the coverage is limited but with fm it's all about the extra sub channels that they can transmit. i said that to mention this! who was it that told all of the am stations to turn off the stereo exciter because it would increase there coverage. i see that iboc will give even less coverage in (hd?) and some are saying that as long as they are serving there main coverage area thats what counts. i have listened to an am stereo station way out on the fringe of their=20 coverage and was able to still here the thing in stereo! i feel that am stereo sounded great and the coverage was superior day and nite. i have a 50k station here in louisiana that use to be in stereo and i contacted them and was told that because of no receivers why bother. bill From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Aug 10 10:16:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31294 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2006 17:15:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2006 17:15:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s11.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.83) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2006 17:15:54 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.29]) by bay0-omc1-s11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:13:54 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:13:54 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:13:52 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:13:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2006 17:13:54.0485 (UTC) FILETIME=[5BA33650:01C6BCA0] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: RE: {AMSF} am stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=-baFw1tyH_HhLNw2oueev4kVsLedBs2Z3IwiVTcTYCl3tN1XZbFxZMrRHns X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Hi Bill and welcome to the list. While it's true to finding an am-stereo home tuner or portable is difficult (but not impossible - check out http:www.audiocubes.com ) there are hundreds of thousands (maybe more, one of the experts on the list can tell you approximately how many) am-stereo receivers in automobiles. Since most am listening from what I'v'e read is done in the car, I would think that would be a good enough reason alone for am stations to put out the best sounding signal possible, not to hide their heads in the sand with the shallow argument your local station gave. Mr.Bill Norman of WNMB - 900 - am stereo in North Myrtle Beach , SC can probably give you many good reasons why an am station should be in stereo. He's an expert, I'm not. John of Toledo, who routinely listens to a Canadian am-stereo station can probably be of help as well, plus there are two members of the list that manufactor am-stereo capable radios, low end and high end. (btw- John, I can't keep track, is WJR 760 in stereo again?) btw- the old wives tale that an am station loses coverage area when in stereo, is just that; an old wives tale. Donn, St. Petersburg,FL From: "koolstuff_69" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} am stereo Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:41:17 -0000 i have been reading this group for about a year and enjoy pretty much all comments. i have been reading many threads about iboc and the coverage it gives in (hd?) for both am and fm. i have learned that the coverage is limited but with fm it's all about the extra sub channels that they can transmit. i said that to mention this! who was it that told all of the am stations to turn off the stereo exciter because it would increase there coverage. i see that iboc will give even less coverage in (hd?) and some are saying that as long as they are serving there main coverage area thats what counts. i have listened to an am stereo station way out on the fringe of their coverage and was able to still here the thing in stereo! i feel that am stereo sounded great and the coverage was superior day and nite. i have a 50k station here in louisiana that use to be in stereo and i contacted them and was told that because of no receivers why bother. bill From wnmb@sc.rr.com Thu Aug 10 10:41:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62552 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2006 17:40:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2006 17:40:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.102) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2006 17:40:35 -0000 Received: from user40vik86y22 (rrcs-70-61-218-234.midsouth.biz.rr.com [70.61.218.234]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k7AFrDYW022852 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:53:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003201c6bc95$1898e4a0$6901a8c0@user40vik86y22> To: References: Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:53:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.102 From: "WNMB" Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=oSoWEElkCHtWF_Cj24AhwEwCnLscNjlCLDIlaRJC9gO5sA X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tell the station in Louisiana there are more AM Stereo receivers in cars than they might imagine! Many, many Ford Explorers, Expeditions, Excursions, Crown vics & Mustangs have AM stereo right on through 2005 and into 2006. Every one of the Ford Thunderbirds from 02 to 05 has AM Stereo. There are many Chrysler products with AM Stereo. My brother has on 02 Cadillac Sedan Deville and the radio has AM stereo from the factory. Since we put AM Stereo on the air here in North Myrtle Beach, we have been very pleased at the number of people who can hear us in stereo and they actually notice and listen. It's true the industry (due to sorry FCC decisions and non-decisions) did a poor job of getting info out there concerning what has AM Stereo, but nevertheless, they exist. Tell those people in Louisiana that AM Stereo sounds so good that even if no one else but them in the world had an AM Stereo radio, they could drive around and listen to it and be happy! ----- Original Message ----- From: koolstuff_69 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 11:41 AM Subject: {AMSF} am stereo i have been reading this group for about a year and enjoy pretty much all comments. i have been reading many threads about iboc and the coverage it gives in (hd?) for both am and fm. i have learned that the coverage is limited but with fm it's all about the extra sub channels that they can transmit. i said that to mention this! who was it that told all of the am stations to turn off the stereo exciter because it would increase there coverage. i see that iboc will give even less coverage in (hd?) and some are saying that as long as they are serving there main coverage area thats what counts. i have listened to an am stereo station way out on the fringe of their coverage and was able to still here the thing in stereo! i feel that am stereo sounded great and the coverage was superior day and nite. i have a 50k station here in louisiana that use to be in stereo and i contacted them and was told that because of no receivers why bother. bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Aug 10 11:06:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17074 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2006 18:03:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2006 18:03:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s11.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.211) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2006 18:03:35 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.24]) by bay0-omc3-s11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:01:52 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:01:52 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:01:47 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:01:47 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2006 18:01:52.0273 (UTC) FILETIME=[0EEED010:01C6BCA7] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: RE: {AMSF} am stereo(correction on Audio Cubes website) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=w50k8l2I4sLkdjGBnfr35T7Lgs-qVbwqONHSbwG_xkTcdngCPYzw6E99DRM X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo btw- the correct address for Audio Cubes is http://www.audiocubes.com I just checked the website,to make sure it's still up and running and it is. ------------------------------------------------------ and to Mr. Bill Norman of WNMB,thanks for all the info about what Ford products etc have am stereo. My parents 1994 Chrysler Concorde had AM stereo as did their 1998 Dodge Intrepid; unfortunately their present car (2003 Avalon) does not; I don't think Toyota ever am-stereo, if I'm wrong on that, someone please let me know, especially if any Toyotas have had am stereo within the last 2 or 3 years. Donn From: "Donn Tillman" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} am stereo Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:13:52 +0000 Hi Bill and welcome to the list. While it's true to finding an am-stereo home tuner or portable is difficult (but not impossible - check out http:www.audiocubes.com ) there are hundreds of thousands (maybe more, one of the experts on the list can tell you approximately how many) am-stereo receivers in automobiles. Since most am listening from what I'v'e read is done in the car, I would think that would be a good enough reason alone for am stations to put out the best sounding signal possible, not to hide their heads in the sand with the shallow argument your local station gave. Mr.Bill Norman of WNMB - 900 - am stereo in North Myrtle Beach , SC can probably give you many good reasons why an am station should be in stereo. He's an expert, I'm not. John of Toledo, who routinely listens to a Canadian am-stereo station can probably be of help as well, plus there are two members of the list that manufactor am-stereo capable radios, low end and high end. (btw- John, I can't keep track, is WJR 760 in stereo again?) btw- the old wives tale that an am station loses coverage area when in stereo, is just that; an old wives tale. Donn, St. Petersburg,FL From: "koolstuff_69" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} am stereo Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:41:17 -0000 i have been reading this group for about a year and enjoy pretty much all comments. i have been reading many threads about iboc and the coverage it gives in (hd?) for both am and fm. i have learned that the coverage is limited but with fm it's all about the extra sub channels that they can transmit. i said that to mention this! who was it that told all of the am stations to turn off the stereo exciter because it would increase there coverage. i see that iboc will give even less coverage in (hd?) and some are saying that as long as they are serving there main coverage area thats what counts. i have listened to an am stereo station way out on the fringe of their coverage and was able to still here the thing in stereo! i feel that am stereo sounded great and the coverage was superior day and nite. i have a 50k station here in louisiana that use to be in stereo and i contacted them and was told that because of no receivers why bother. bill From tomray@wor710.com Thu Aug 10 11:18:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3162 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2006 18:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2006 18:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2006 18:18:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2006 18:18:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2006 18:18:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:18:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: am stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=Ysn9olejeXRoRCf2IaTS3kzhHC8cTtKKVU0edKZh7oUGA82U X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Hi, Bill. Welcome to the fray. On FM, depending on many factors, yes, the IBOC will drop out before=20 your stereo light will. It could be due to the IBOC power=20 levels...they really need to be increased. But, it's still in its=20 infancy, and we're all learning. Regarding AM coverage, you get IBOC out to the 1/2 millivolt=20 contour. Matter of fact, our owner was listening to WOR-HD in=20 Maryland a few weeks ago. And, through testing, we've determined=20 that we make it to 1/2mv with our HD. Tom Ray WOR, New York --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "koolstuff_69"=20 wrote: > > i have been reading this group for about a year and enjoy pretty > much all comments. i have been reading many threads about iboc and=20 the > coverage it gives in (hd?) for both am and fm. i have learned that > the coverage is limited but with fm it's all about the extra sub > channels that they can transmit. i said that to mention this! who > was it that told all of the am stations to turn off the stereo > exciter because it would increase there coverage. i see that iboc > will give even less coverage in (hd?) and some are saying that as=20 long > as they are serving there main coverage area thats what counts. i=20 have > listened to an am stereo station way out on the fringe of their=20 > coverage and was able to still here the thing in stereo! i feel=20 that > am stereo sounded great and the coverage was superior day and nite. >=20 > i have a 50k station here in louisiana that use to be in stereo and > i contacted them and was told that because of no receivers why=20 bother. >=20 > bill > From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 12:41:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91703 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2006 19:41:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2006 19:41:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.159) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2006 19:41:20 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2006 19:41:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2006 19:41:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2006 19:41:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:41:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.19.142 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=WWODXO85cG6sm90Y6RoK7GIJ2VQ0tlNzA6DW-iuj0cE_Q3C2 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman"=20 wrote: > > Hi Bill and welcome to the list. >=20 >=20 > While it's true to finding an am-stereo home tuner or portable is=20 difficult=20 > (but not impossible - check out http:www.audiocubes.com ) there are=20 hundreds=20 > of thousands (maybe more, one of the experts on the list can tell you=20 > approximately how many) am-stereo receivers in automobiles. Approximately 10% of the ONE BILLION AM-capable receivers in use in the=20 US are AM stereo- About 90% of them are auto radios. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Thu Aug 10 21:11:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64239 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2006 03:54:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2006 03:54:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.22) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2006 03:54:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2006 03:54:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2006 03:54:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 03:54:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.108.129.144 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: am stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=OBJvGoA49yPH4--ZGNvpNkA70WZ7fW-YXVLHCVs3DK6JugPJagR35g X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "koolstuff_69" wro= te: > > i have been reading this group for about a year and enjoy pretty > much all comments. i have been reading many threads about iboc and the > coverage it gives in (hd?) for both am and fm. i have learned that > the coverage is limited but with fm it's all about the extra sub > channels that they can transmit. i said that to mention this! who > was it that told all of the am stations to turn off the stereo > exciter because it would increase there coverage. i see that iboc > will give even less coverage in (hd?) and some are saying that as long > as they are serving there main coverage area thats what counts. i have > listened to an am stereo station way out on the fringe of their=20 > coverage and was able to still here the thing in stereo! i feel that > am stereo sounded great and the coverage was superior day and nite. >=20 > i have a 50k station here in louisiana that use to be in stereo and > i contacted them and was told that because of no receivers why bother. >=20 > bill > I suspect that Leonard Kahn had something to do with the totally untrue not= ion that=20 broadcasting in C-Quam reduces coverage because the FCC chose the Motorola = system=20 over his Powerside system. If you read the man's ravings on his WrathofKahn website, whenever he menti= ons C-Quam=20 (which is not very much) he perpetuates that myth about coverage. db=20 From w6yn@juno.com Thu Aug 10 21:53:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62218 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2006 04:49:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2006 04:49:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2006 04:49:56 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABCP2DBYAWPHENS for (sender ); Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:48:54 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLMT13nBfRRDaLDDxYvTrbCw= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LXGF2N8S; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:48:51 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:48:16 -0700 Message-ID: <20060810.214819.3376.4.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,7-8,12-13,18-22 X-ContentStamp: 7:3:2197494002 X-MAIL-INFO:297bb3a737ba9f6bcf87df9f77dfabab0a9f9ad3fa3aeeaf73 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=xx8Ej0l5E-Gftu-6JXOM3wNapi_DA9YsCwtgwg7TcA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn FYI: Israel Considers Another Boycott of the BBC The Jerusalem Post reports that some Israeli diplomatic officials say that the BBC "reports we see give the impression that the BBC is working on behalf of Hizbullah." The government boycotted the BBC during violence in 2003 and is considering it again. The Foreign Ministry is under pressure from Israeli citizens to resume its boycott of the BBC and to withdraw credentials from its reporters due to "one-sided" reports on the war in Lebanon, Israeli diplomatic officials said Wednesday. For seven months during a wave of Palestinian violence in 2003, Israeli officials boycotted BBC news programs, declining interviews and excluding BBC reporters from briefings. The boycott was ended after the BBC appointed a panel to oversee its Middle East coverage and to ensure it would be unbiased. On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:16:12 +1000 writes: > > Another reason to listen to the BBC. > From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Fri Aug 11 04:07:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65330 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2006 11:04:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2006 11:04:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO act-MTAout2.csiro.au) (150.229.7.38) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2006 11:04:00 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.56]) by act-MTAout2.csiro.au with ESMTP; 11 Aug 2006 21:04:02 +1000 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.08,114,1154872800"; d="dat'59?scan'59,208,59"; a="105950803:sNHT33379076" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 11 Aug 2006 21:03:41 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 21:03:41 +1000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Re: Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC Thread-Index: Aca9Ag9S6NLo0WqdQuaU/NyS41itbgAL2l/u References: <20060810.214819.3376.4.w6yn@juno.com> To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2006 11:03:41.0695 (UTC) FILETIME=[CE3230F0:01C6BD35] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.7.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=3chXlvfqaP7tG8Ux0kGEcgofOOlcxvnHKYKL_EqQFMDe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Don Milbury > For seven months during a wave of Palestinian violence in 2003, > Israeli officials boycotted BBC news programs, declining interviews > and excluding BBC reporters from briefings. The boycott was ended > after the BBC appointed a panel to oversee its Middle East coverage > and to ensure it would be unbiased. I suppose this is example of blaming the messenger. In Oz, the government of the day cops more flack from our publicly funded ABC than any other news source. The current conservative government of 10 years recently had an inquiry into the ABC's Iraq coverage purporting it to be unbalanced and biassed. The result (from the the governments own version of the FCC) was that it wasn't. We have heaps of nice Lebanese and Jewish people living here in Oz. And the coverage of the current conflict is good. Both sides cop it. I can't understand why the current US administration takes such a one sided approach. I guess at least the good people of America are realising that the Good v Evil approach of the imbecile in the White House is not working. And not before time. Ian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Aug 11 05:55:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+toTd+51+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44804 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2006 12:55:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2006 12:55:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2006 12:55:15 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.248]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 105870155 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 07:55:12 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <005101c6bd46$2b0758e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <380-2200682824251725@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 08:00:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.208.248 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=ZbzYEDURXJDStuz80Bbwhdxoow_IYSdIdJrir7nyNi6-uwQmB_17 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Thank you for that clarification, Dick. I'd still have to disagree with you, however. Corporations seem not to be either conservative or liberal, but rather amoral. A lot of them would sell their own grandmothers if it could earn them a buck, to use a Dennis Prager line. Aerospace company Loral sold rocket technology to the Chicoms, who will at best never be a reliable ally, and at worst will use the rope we sold them to hang us. That's not conservative thing to have done. Enron was in favor of Kyoto- again, not something conservatives would approve of. I noticed former CC executive Randy Michaels is buying up liberal talk shows to create another liberal network. Outside of FNC and talk radio, I don't see that much conservative bent to the media. I've pretty much said my piece. Back to AM stereo... Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick W." > I didn't say "Big Money" - I said corporate money. Sometimes there is a > difference. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Aug 11 06:10:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+toTd+51+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22479 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2006 13:10:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2006 13:10:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2006 13:10:25 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.248]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 105873013 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 08:10:13 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <008d01c6bd48$4407e1a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 08:15:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.248 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Distrust of the Media-off topic(Where's the beef?,Where's the Proof?) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=taDNPJEH7lnPl-sTF1cMNZ8V3RJ2RUlVMpEl0YecN8StL6_HSl3W X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude There is a government agency that keeps track of such statistics. I just don't remember which one it was offhand. I'll try to find out. I don't know where you get the idea that Bill Gates and Red McCombs are non-working. Maybe our Senators and Congresscritters, yes. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" > quote: > > "Big money = conservative??? Do you have any idea of how the top 0.1% of > wage earners vote? 2:1 Democrat! > _____________________________________________________ > AND THE PROOF of the above quote?? > > I have been looking for proof of this; I have yet to find the statistics of > how the highest paid/salaried 3,000 people (the top .01 percent) in the > country vote. I went to http://www.Census.gov and while they had some > statistics on the top 5 percent of the population, they did not once get > into politics and to be honest I don't recall being asked that question on > the 2000 census. > > Now, if this quote was actually referring to wage earners (as opposed to > CEO's and the non-working wealthy), From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Aug 11 10:28:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45148 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2006 17:28:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2006 17:28:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s40.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.176) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2006 17:28:43 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.21]) by bay0-omc2-s40.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:28:30 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:28:29 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:28:25 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amymousie@yahoo.com, toledohamradio@yahoo.com, stodd@sherbtel.net, Dwtpa97@earthlink.net, Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Bcc: Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:28:25 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2006 17:28:29.0969 (UTC) FILETIME=[8FE13810:01C6BD6B] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Distrust of the Media-off topic(Where's the Proof?)Offlist X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=VePik_VArAz9oqBrebEQeBQbLkSFgtpeehjeJ9l3G5VxOJeNZvXY2yuALBc X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Since several people have politely asked us to keep this off list; I am trying to comply, since the list we've been posting on is a radio list, not a political list; although I know many times the two overlap. This is an interim response to your interim post. I wasn't even going to respond until you found the government agency website/url that explains how the wealthiest wage-earners in this country vote. (2:1 democrat, if I recall the quote), but then there was the glaring mis-quote of what I said, and I really don't like to misquoted; maybe I missed a post where someone else said Bill Gates and Red whoever didn't work and you've mixed , someone else's word with mine. I try not to misquote people and if I misquote you, I expect you to call to task for it, so that I can acknowledge any mistakes/misquotes. When you find the url of the government agency that can track how the top .01 percent of the wage earners/population vote, I will take a look and then offer a response. (and sadly after seeing the proof, I will have lost faith in the secret ballot, we are supposed to have in this democracy) Now, if you would read my post again, you will see that nowhere did I mention Bill Gates of Red McCombs (I don't have any idea who Red is, so I know I certainly wasn't referring to Red) So.......... I HAVE NO IDEA OF HOW YOU HAVE THE IDEA THAT I HAVE THE IDEA that Bill Gates does not work. Again, I did not mention Bill Gates or anyone by name in that quote I did mention the non-working wealthy and there are people that inherit their money and live the playboy life style and never work. Here is the complete quote below (the whole nine yards) and I defy anyone to find the name Bill Gates or anyone named or nicknamed Red in the quote: ----------- Original Post/quote:----------- I have been looking for proof of this; I have yet to find the statistics of how the highest paid/salaried 3,000 people (the top .01 percent) in the country vote. I went to http://www.Census.gov and while they had some statistics on the top 5 percent of the population, they did not once get into politics and to be honest I don't recall being asked that question on the 2000 census. Now, if this quote was actually referring to wage earners (as opposed to CEO's and the non-working wealthy), this quote may very well be true...... since the democrats make more promises to the working stiffs. (wage earners). ....... and I will be the first to admit that all these promises aren't kept, just as all promises aren't kept of either party. But if this quote was actually referring to the wealthiest 3,000 people in this country of nearly 300,000,000 then if they are voting democrat, they are voting against their own self interest, since the current congress and president have been working very hard in their behalf to reduce their taxes. (trying to repeal the estate tax, cutting down on auditors to monitor estate tax claims etc). So I wish someone would give me the source of this information, an official source, not a biased "think" tank. I know according to the RNC, we are not to believe exit polls (and the media has repeated that over and over, that one cannot always trust exit polls) and since we have a secret ballot, I really find it hard to believe that accurate statistics could even exists on this. I know it is public record of how many voters are registered as democrats, republicans, independents etc, but not everyone registered to a political party votes a straight party line. (I don't and I suspect I'm not the lone exception out of nearly 300 million people) ---------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------- ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Scott Todd" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Distrust of the Media-off topic(Where's the beef?,Where's the Proof?) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 08:15:46 -0500 There is a government agency that keeps track of such statistics. I just don't remember which one it was offhand. I'll try to find out. I don't know where you get the idea that Bill Gates and Red McCombs are non-working. Maybe our Senators and Congresscritters, yes. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" > quote: > > "Big money = conservative??? Do you have any idea of how the top 0.1% of > wage earners vote? 2:1 Democrat! > _____________________________________________________ > AND THE PROOF of the above quote?? > > I have been looking for proof of this; I have yet to find the statistics of > how the highest paid/salaried 3,000 people (the top .01 percent) in the > country vote. I went to http://www.Census.gov and while they had some > statistics on the top 5 percent of the population, they did not once get > into politics and to be honest I don't recall being asked that question on > the 2000 census. > > Now, if this quote was actually referring to wage earners (as opposed to > CEO's and the non-working wealthy), From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Aug 11 10:35:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71864 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2006 17:35:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2006 17:35:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s36.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.172) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2006 17:35:36 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.29]) by bay0-omc2-s36.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:34:39 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:34:39 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:34:34 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:34:34 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2006 17:34:39.0079 (UTC) FILETIME=[6BE2EF70:01C6BD6C] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.172 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Mea Culpa - please disregard last post X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=nIf_Fo9XjHl8dHlEhEMKxgbc8nHXGQznqNAVwgwJfntlSw0PgZUNGosDVLc X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo My overly sensitive mouse pad went over the send area, before I completed the cc mail list, deleted the amstereo@yahoogroups.com and before I had used the spell check. so if you must read this, there may be misspellings and in one place, the word of was used where or should have been used. Donn, not perfect in St Petersburg From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 10:42:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77600 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2006 17:41:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2006 17:41:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2006 17:41:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 58836 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2006 17:40:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20060811174052.58834.qmail@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:40:52 PDT Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:40:52 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Toyota AM stereo / 50KW AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=N_hz7UMMIQyrxtgCipEQnIDcKn7guVx4JoC1pq8_dWEFmMmqOiV1a7Q X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I know that Mitsubishi made AM stereo car radios, and I'm pretty sure that I have a Toyota AM Stereo radio - but it is 90's 'vintage' and only an AMS/FMS tuner. I believe Alfredo, or somebody on the list, had modified the capacitors in their Toyota audio section to improve the AM stereo audio quality. re: 50KW flamethrowers in AM stereo: WJR has been in C-Quam for about 2 days every week or so when the IBOC HD takes a dump, which was most recently last Friday & Saturday. WLS has been in CQuam at night at times too. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Aug 11 10:58:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70124 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2006 17:58:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2006 17:58:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s7.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.79) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2006 17:58:24 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.19]) by bay0-omc1-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:58:03 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:58:03 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:57:59 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20060811174052.58834.qmail@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:57:59 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2006 17:58:03.0424 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0F0FA00:01C6BD6F] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.79 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Toyota AM stereo / 50KW AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=WpG19ZLNrRs15gKLgGTZ53h0GWXpzmujPc2482ZzeGFRgZg84_aS6YOLnPU X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Thanks for the info, John. I met the former owner of WSTU - 1450- Stuart,Florida, and he had a 1996 or 1997 Toyota and he didn't think Toyota had any models with AMS, he did get an after market am stereo tuner installed in his Toyota. It's nice that there is still am stereo sometimes on WJR and on the Chicago stations, although from where I am, I can't recieve them. I can receive WJR some nights during the winter from where my parents live. (only 75 miles north, but the dxing there is so much better) I can also get WLS up there most winter nights, here in St Petersburg, 890 is always the Cuban station, unless a hurricane knocks them off the air. Donn ----Original Message Follows---- From: "John P." Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Toyota AM stereo / 50KW AM stereo Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:40:52 -0700 (PDT) I know that Mitsubishi made AM stereo car radios, and I'm pretty sure that I have a Toyota AM Stereo radio - but it is 90's 'vintage' and only an AMS/FMS tuner. I believe Alfredo, or somebody on the list, had modified the capacitors in their Toyota audio section to improve the AM stereo audio quality. re: 50KW flamethrowers in AM stereo: WJR has been in C-Quam for about 2 days every week or so when the IBOC HD takes a dump, which was most recently last Friday & Saturday. WLS has been in CQuam at night at times too. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 16:52:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69700 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2006 23:49:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2006 23:49:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.156) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2006 23:49:25 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n13.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2006 23:49:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2006 23:49:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2006 23:49:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 23:49:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.14.5 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: AM stereo "border blasters"... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=3-jsLiGKo1HZ5l25KBQ7e2MMihclXb6O3xg68u4yrhF90924 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie A long time ago, it used to be common to listen on the AM airwaves=20 stations that not only provided programming listeners would be=20 willing to tune into, but programming and advertising that eithered=20 rankled people's sensibilities or were in fact downright illegalk, if=20 not just misleading. These used to be beamed into the US from Canada=20 and Mexico, often owned by Americans using a dummy domestic company=20 to hide the true nature of the foreign ownership. One of the last=20 markets where this last part is true- that American owners own or=20 partly own stations across the border to serve an American audience=20 is San Diego. (It was here that in the 1960s, Kahn bought XETRA 690=20 for his ISB experiments, and would continue until the late '80s, at=20 which ISB was dropped for mono programming- sports, mostly- and new=20 owners.) While "snake oil"-style advertising had largely disappeared from most=20 stations, selling products that, while not illegal now, are dubious=20 at best, at least most, such as "Ester-C', have been innocuous and=20 relatively harmless, and legal to advertise on US airwaves. This seems to be changing, however, as I've noticed one Canadian=20 broadcaster- AM stereo CKMX Classic Country 1060 AM of Calgary,=20 Alberta, Canada, blasting its way into the western US most nights,=20 and airing commercials that while not illegal, as far as I know, are=20 certainly dubious at best, for productsa that we all know from the=20 spam we receive in our emailboxes every day- Especially products=20 like "Hoodia". Until the last couple monnths, I've never noticed such=20 advertising on CKMX- most of it had been for Canadian companies,=20 services and products that I certainly wouldn't think of as dubious,=20 such as southern Alberta stores and dealers, etc. Now, I'm hearing=20 several such spam-related advertisements taking advantage of CKMX's=20 coverage over most of the western US, from the Rockies on westward. Are the days of the "border blasters" back? Maybe not in the literal=20 high-wattage sense, but maybe with the content, indespersed with the=20 country music.... Who knows? And in AM stereo, too, no less... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 11 17:39:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83356 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2006 00:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2006 00:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.200) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2006 00:39:28 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n9.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2006 00:39:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2006 00:39:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2006 00:39:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 00:39:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.151.187.238 From: "Jeff" Subject: Re: AM stereo "border blasters"... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=236606698; y=ORexl8LqFGsbwZ4nqD4C6g3iDFJImQ4l4nPt4-Fi5z1IvmWQrqEFvYk9P7W-b3jyRec X-Yahoo-Profile: jeff7472000 Years ago, in Popular Communications magazine, I thought I=20 remembered reading that the Canadian government had ruled that all=20 AM radio in their country would be shut down at a future date. Am I mistaken, or did the Canadian government reconsider and drop=20 this idea? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > A long time ago, it used to be common to listen on the AM airwaves=20 > stations that not only provided programming listeners would be=20 > willing to tune into, but programming and advertising that=20 eithered=20 > rankled people's sensibilities or were in fact downright illegalk,=20 if=20 > not just misleading. These used to be beamed into the US from=20 Canada=20 > and Mexico, often owned by Americans using a dummy domestic=20 company=20 > to hide the true nature of the foreign ownership. One of the last=20 > markets where this last part is true- that American owners own or=20 > partly own stations across the border to serve an American=20 audience=20 > is San Diego. (It was here that in the 1960s, Kahn bought XETRA=20 690=20 > for his ISB experiments, and would continue until the late '80s,=20 at=20 > which ISB was dropped for mono programming- sports, mostly- and=20 new=20 > owners.) >=20 > While "snake oil"-style advertising had largely disappeared from=20 most=20 > stations, selling products that, while not illegal now, are=20 dubious=20 > at best, at least most, such as "Ester-C', have been innocuous and=20 > relatively harmless, and legal to advertise on US airwaves. >=20 > This seems to be changing, however, as I've noticed one Canadian=20 > broadcaster- AM stereo CKMX Classic Country 1060 AM of Calgary,=20 > Alberta, Canada, blasting its way into the western US most nights,=20 > and airing commercials that while not illegal, as far as I know,=20 are=20 > certainly dubious at best, for productsa that we all know from the=20 > spam we receive in our emailboxes every day- Especially products=20 > like "Hoodia". Until the last couple monnths, I've never noticed=20 such=20 > advertising on CKMX- most of it had been for Canadian companies,=20 > services and products that I certainly wouldn't think of as=20 dubious,=20 > such as southern Alberta stores and dealers, etc. Now, I'm hearing=20 > several such spam-related advertisements taking advantage of=20 CKMX's=20 > coverage over most of the western US, from the Rockies on westward. >=20 > Are the days of the "border blasters" back? Maybe not in the=20 literal=20 > high-wattage sense, but maybe with the content, indespersed with=20 the=20 > country music.... Who knows? >=20 > And in AM stereo, too, no less... >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > From jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 11 17:39:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91853 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2006 00:39:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2006 00:39:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.215) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2006 00:39:37 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n24.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2006 00:39:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2006 00:39:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2006 00:39:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 00:39:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.151.187.238 From: "Jeff" Subject: Re: AM stereo "border blasters"... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=236606698; y=DjEFbi1Wg9_NDsHkH0Yet-J2cDnQyrywEPN_gKTtheNdys7xDL_TExvdRMS89vrqKGo X-Yahoo-Profile: jeff7472000 Years ago, in Popular Communications magazine, I thought I=20 remembered reading that the Canadian government had ruled that all=20 AM radio in their country would be shut down at a future date. Am I mistaken, or did the Canadian government reconsider and drop=20 this idea? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > A long time ago, it used to be common to listen on the AM airwaves=20 > stations that not only provided programming listeners would be=20 > willing to tune into, but programming and advertising that=20 eithered=20 > rankled people's sensibilities or were in fact downright illegalk,=20 if=20 > not just misleading. These used to be beamed into the US from=20 Canada=20 > and Mexico, often owned by Americans using a dummy domestic=20 company=20 > to hide the true nature of the foreign ownership. One of the last=20 > markets where this last part is true- that American owners own or=20 > partly own stations across the border to serve an American=20 audience=20 > is San Diego. (It was here that in the 1960s, Kahn bought XETRA=20 690=20 > for his ISB experiments, and would continue until the late '80s,=20 at=20 > which ISB was dropped for mono programming- sports, mostly- and=20 new=20 > owners.) >=20 > While "snake oil"-style advertising had largely disappeared from=20 most=20 > stations, selling products that, while not illegal now, are=20 dubious=20 > at best, at least most, such as "Ester-C', have been innocuous and=20 > relatively harmless, and legal to advertise on US airwaves. >=20 > This seems to be changing, however, as I've noticed one Canadian=20 > broadcaster- AM stereo CKMX Classic Country 1060 AM of Calgary,=20 > Alberta, Canada, blasting its way into the western US most nights,=20 > and airing commercials that while not illegal, as far as I know,=20 are=20 > certainly dubious at best, for productsa that we all know from the=20 > spam we receive in our emailboxes every day- Especially products=20 > like "Hoodia". Until the last couple monnths, I've never noticed=20 such=20 > advertising on CKMX- most of it had been for Canadian companies,=20 > services and products that I certainly wouldn't think of as=20 dubious,=20 > such as southern Alberta stores and dealers, etc. Now, I'm hearing=20 > several such spam-related advertisements taking advantage of=20 CKMX's=20 > coverage over most of the western US, from the Rockies on westward. >=20 > Are the days of the "border blasters" back? Maybe not in the=20 literal=20 > high-wattage sense, but maybe with the content, indespersed with=20 the=20 > country music.... Who knows? >=20 > And in AM stereo, too, no less... >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Aug 11 17:47:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37450 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2006 00:47:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2006 00:47:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2006 00:47:03 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-75-201.dhcp.embarqhsd.net ([71.51.75.201] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GBheX-0005m9-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 20:47:02 -0400 Message-ID: <067801c6bda8$d2b599f0$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 20:46:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo "border blasters"... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=9KK-zviViDScRoWkdG0aEbYTtDOs1KHoQHsMJaLTPig_hXTTfr9QrJaXjtnxSQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Amy Mousie wrote: >A long time ago, it used to be common to listen on the AM airwaves stations >that not only provided programming listeners would be willing to tune into, >but programming and advertising that eithered rankled people's >sensibilities or were in fact downright illegalk, Just bring back XEROK "X-Rock 80 The Sun City Rocker" or XERF "The X" and I will know that the Radio Gods have smiled upon Medium Wave once again! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Aug 11 17:57:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55858 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2006 00:57:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2006 00:57:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s30.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.230) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2006 00:57:41 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.13]) by bay0-omc3-s30.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:55:09 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:55:08 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 00:55:06 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 00:55:06 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2006 00:55:08.0688 (UTC) FILETIME=[F5293900:01C6BDA9] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.230 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo "border blasters"... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=muYkYf__t6UggUHGgKPsC7FWsaVHV03zasW5lPA5AorAr0Gcq8R8LYc0aKA X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo HI JEFF, I recall reading the same thing in Popular Communications, it was at least 5 years ago, I believe that I read it, maybe longer. If I recall, there were to be some exceptions, but the AM band for the most part would have been vacated, my guess is that the same as yours, that government reconsidered that option. With IBOC coming onboard, they may have to reconsider again and maybe vacate am stations within 35 - 50 miles from the border;since IBOC could wreck havoc on many Canadian am stations. If nighttime IBOC is approved, they may want to totally vacate the am band. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Jeff" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo "border blasters"... Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 00:39:19 -0000 Years ago, in Popular Communications magazine, I thought I remembered reading that the Canadian government had ruled that all AM radio in their country would be shut down at a future date. Am I mistaken, or did the Canadian government reconsider and drop this idea? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > A long time ago, it used to be common to listen on the AM airwaves > stations that not only provided programming listeners would be > willing to tune into, but programming and advertising that eithered > rankled people's sensibilities or were in fact downright illegalk, if > not just misleading. These used to be beamed into the US from Canada > and Mexico, often owned by Americans using a dummy domestic company > to hide the true nature of the foreign ownership. One of the last > markets where this last part is true- that American owners own or > partly own stations across the border to serve an American audience > is San Diego. (It was here that in the 1960s, Kahn bought XETRA 690 > for his ISB experiments, and would continue until the late '80s, at > which ISB was dropped for mono programming- sports, mostly- and new > owners.) > > While "snake oil"-style advertising had largely disappeared from most > stations, selling products that, while not illegal now, are dubious > at best, at least most, such as "Ester-C', have been innocuous and > relatively harmless, and legal to advertise on US airwaves. > > This seems to be changing, however, as I've noticed one Canadian > broadcaster- AM stereo CKMX Classic Country 1060 AM of Calgary, > Alberta, Canada, blasting its way into the western US most nights, > and airing commercials that while not illegal, as far as I know, are > certainly dubious at best, for productsa that we all know from the > spam we receive in our emailboxes every day- Especially products > like "Hoodia". Until the last couple monnths, I've never noticed such > advertising on CKMX- most of it had been for Canadian companies, > services and products that I certainly wouldn't think of as dubious, > such as southern Alberta stores and dealers, etc. Now, I'm hearing > several such spam-related advertisements taking advantage of CKMX's > coverage over most of the western US, from the Rockies on westward. > > Are the days of the "border blasters" back? Maybe not in the literal > high-wattage sense, but maybe with the content, indespersed with the > country music.... Who knows? > > And in AM stereo, too, no less... > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Aug 11 18:49:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+pj2/+52+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30844 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2006 01:48:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2006 01:48:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2006 01:48:58 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.218]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 107008565 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 20:48:55 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c6bdb2$429dbd20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 20:53:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 3, in=7, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.218 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Distrust of the Media-off topic(Where's the Proof?)Offlist X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=KGl_tWIjQe1ODkAgj_xpQbDxbQNheIGN5aBlHh6QU4LtpE_x1TEX X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" I try not to misquote > people and if I misquote you, I expect you to call to task for it, so that I > can acknowledge any mistakes/misquotes. You're on > > When you find the url of the government agency that can track how the top > .01 percent of the wage earners/population vote, I will take a look and then > offer a response. (and sadly after seeing the proof, I will have lost faith > in the secret ballot, we are supposed to have in this democracy) You got the decimal in the wrong place- I said 0.1%. I admit I was somewhat imprecise in that they don't track the actual votes, but they do track their party registrations. Even if they don't vote a straight ticket, it would be foolish to surmise they don't vote a majority of the time for the candidate of their registered party. > > Now, if you would read my post again, you will see that nowhere did I > mention Bill Gates of Red McCombs (I don't have any idea who Red is, so I > know I certainly wasn't referring to Red) He's one of the chief owners of Clear Channel. He also used to own the Vikings football team. Folks around these parts (me too) were incensed that he insisted on the community build them a new stadium. "No bail-outs for billionaires" was the cry. > So.......... I HAVE NO IDEA OF HOW YOU HAVE THE IDEA THAT I HAVE THE IDEA > that Bill Gates does not work. Again, I did not mention Bill Gates or anyone > by name in that quote I did mention the non-working wealthy and there are > people that inherit their money and live the playboy life style and never > work. You may not have named them by name, but you did imply that CEOs were equal to the non-working rich- it's the part in the parenthesis, second paragraph. Your statement more than implies that unless you're working for "wages" (ie- for someone else) you're not working. > > Here is the complete quote below (the whole nine yards) and I defy anyone to > find the name Bill Gates or anyone named or nicknamed Red in the quote: > ----------- Original Post/quote:----------- > > I have been looking for proof of this; I have yet to find the statistics of > how the highest paid/salaried 3,000 people (the top .01 percent) in the > country vote. I went to http://www.Census.gov and while they had some > statistics on the top 5 percent of the population, they did not once get > into politics and to be honest I don't recall being asked that question on > the 2000 census. It's not the Census Dept. and it's not exit polls. > > Now, if this quote was actually referring to wage earners (as opposed to > CEO's and the non-working wealthy), this quote may very well be true...... > since the democrats make more promises to the working stiffs. (wage > earners). ....... and I will be the first to admit that all these promises > aren't kept, just as all promises aren't kept of either party. > > But if this quote was actually referring to the wealthiest 3,000 people in > this country of nearly 300,000,000 then if they are voting democrat, they > are voting against their own self interest, since the current congress and > president have been working very hard in their behalf to reduce their taxes. > (trying to repeal the estate tax, cutting down on auditors to monitor estate > tax claims etc). Not really. They've already secured their wealth offshore (the Kennedy clan; George Soros, etc.) so the estate tax could go to 100% and they'd keep their money. Scott From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Aug 11 18:59:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+pj2/+52+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32321 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2006 01:59:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2006 01:59:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2006 01:59:54 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.218]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 107010767 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 20:59:41 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c6bdb3$c3528a80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 21:05:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 3, in=8, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.218 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo "border blasters"... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=DPqgFfuNNXdOe4qi41-dVgYEHh4jCP2aeQodOr2KwQyz58zDj_8k X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Considering so much of the computer spam I get is for Canadian pharmacies, that this is happening doesn't seem so far fetched to me. Perhaps they're just trying to reinforce the message via the radio. The Canadians aren't as tough in their enforcement as you might think. One of our now retired local FCC field office people told me of a time he had visited a station in Canada and noticed they had reversed the usage of their day and night patterns, and it had been going on for years. They didn't know they were doing it backwards either and Industrie Canada hadn't caught it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > This seems to be changing, however, as I've noticed one Canadian > broadcaster- AM stereo CKMX Classic Country 1060 AM of Calgary, > Alberta, Canada, blasting its way into the western US most nights, > and airing commercials that while not illegal, as far as I know, are > certainly dubious at best, for productsa that we all know from the > spam we receive in our emailboxes every day- Especially products > like "Hoodia". Until the last couple monnths, I've never noticed such > advertising on CKMX- most of it had been for Canadian companies, > services and products that I certainly wouldn't think of as dubious, > such as southern Alberta stores and dealers, etc. Now, I'm hearing > several such spam-related advertisements taking advantage of CKMX's > coverage over most of the western US, from the Rockies on westward. > > Are the days of the "border blasters" back? Maybe not in the literal > high-wattage sense, but maybe with the content, indespersed with the > country music.... Who knows? From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 21:56:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19106 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2006 04:56:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2006 04:56:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.187) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2006 04:56:00 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2006 04:56:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2006 04:56:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2006 04:56:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 04:55:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003701c6bdb3$c3528a80$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.14.5 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo "border blasters"... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=2XBP-yW9AdHbLTr25pDaWv12GHOMfXXbqiL7SRL55kqjwB_F X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie I believe Industry Canada (the Canadian equivalent of the FCC and other=20 inndustrial regulkatory agencies) abandoned the forced AM migration a=20 couple years ago. I know Vancouver, BC, still has most of its=20 compliment of AM stations still broadcasting, with 600 CKBD being one=20 of the newest bright lights of the AM dial there... (And it's a C-QUAM=20 AM stereo "Unforgettable" format station that really does seem to be=20 doing well in Washington/BC.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w6yn@juno.com Fri Aug 11 22:26:10 2006 X-Deleted-Message: yes From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Aug 12 01:09:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54014 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2006 08:01:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2006 08:01:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s6.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.206) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2006 08:01:17 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.29]) by bay0-omc3-s6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 12 Aug 2006 00:59:41 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 00:59:41 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 07:59:37 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 07:59:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2006 07:59:41.0593 (UTC) FILETIME=[44321090:01C6BDE5] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Distrust of the Media-off topic-response off-list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=0Bw8xMy8exvRredi2xmCv-3padlEKlgeOVK8lIkCyy9T3QF6SDoJ0G94ZDg X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo By popular request, I've responded off list. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Scott Todd" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Distrust of the Media-off topic(Where's the Proof?)Offlist Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 20:53:43 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" I try not to misquote >people and if I misquote you, I expect you to call to task for it, so that I >can acknowledge any mistakes/misquotes. You're on > >When you find the url of the government agency that can track how the top >.01 percent of the wage earners/population vote, I will take a look and then >offer a response. (and sadly after seeing the proof, I will have lost faith >in the secret ballot, we are supposed to have in this democracy) You got the decimal in the wrong place- I said 0.1%. I admit I was somewhat imprecise in that they don't track the actual votes, but they do track their party registrations. Even if they don't vote a straight ticket, it would be foolish to surmise they don't vote a majority of the time for the candidate of their registered party. > > From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Sat Aug 12 02:53:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19882 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2006 09:39:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2006 09:39:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO act-MTAout5.csiro.au) (150.229.7.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2006 09:39:06 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.56]) by act-MTAout5.csiro.au with ESMTP; 12 Aug 2006 19:38:08 +1000 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.08,116,1154872800"; d="dat'59?scan'59,208,59"; a="106027767:sNHT25751104" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 12 Aug 2006 19:37:48 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 19:37:47 +1000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Re: Distrust of the Media - OFF TOPIC Thread-Index: Aca9Ag9S6NLo0WqdQuaU/NyS41itbgAL2l/uADAPbYY= References: <20060810.214819.3376.4.w6yn@juno.com> To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2006 09:37:48.0240 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8E91D00:01C6BDF2] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.7.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: Melbourne radio listing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=HaSZcVNFc2OW-XqLubEdxc4NeICoLYjhOk62ztynNhZl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's a new site that gives a list of our radio options in Melbourne. http://www.radiolistonline.com/ Nice to see "me-too 3XY" still has a callsign ... Ian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sat Aug 12 05:31:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44802 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2006 12:30:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2006 12:30:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2006 12:30:36 -0000 Received: from [4.247.127.101] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GBsdO-00014s-Ko for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:30:35 -0400 Message-ID: <380-220068612123035267@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.112.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:30:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcbe847944e60b4f2ec993cba2dbfaef7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo "border blasters"... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=XBeqdrc2sUzmP87xpM_DemmhL0LSiV9qv76OOzvoxP5QQQ Amy, did you ever see any reasons given by the Canadian authorities for imposing the forced migration in the first place? Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Amy Mousie > To: > Date: 8/12/2006 12:56:01 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo "border blasters"... > > I believe Industry Canada (the Canadian equivalent of the FCC and other > inndustrial regulkatory agencies) abandoned the forced AM migration a > couple years ago. I know Vancouver, BC, still has most of its > compliment of AM stations still broadcasting, with 600 CKBD being one > of the newest bright lights of the AM dial there... (And it's a C-QUAM > AM stereo "Unforgettable" format station that really does seem to be > doing well in Washington/BC.) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From amdavid@pacbell.net Sat Aug 12 07:59:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88251 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2006 14:59:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2006 14:59:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80406.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.61) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2006 14:59:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 37107 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2006 14:59:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20060812145910.37105.qmail@web80406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.230.64.29] by web80406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 07:59:10 PDT Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 07:59:10 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <380-220068612123035267@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo "border blasters"... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=k6_pzBoYHvUzypCMO92xDVn4FQLvEvHt8TreSF5UHWFyZeJiJg X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The migration continues, but Industry Canada has determined that the larger Metros require AM as well as FM to provide all the services that are needed. In most places, stations are offered the alternative of getting an Fm instead of an AM... the licencee needs to apply, and it is not forced. Every month, there are a couple of these migrations. Canada simply believes AM is not technology for the 21st Century. In the US, less than 10% of listening by people under 45 is to AM. "Dick W." wrote: Amy, did you ever see any reasons given by the Canadian authorities for imposing the forced migration in the first place? Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Amy Mousie > To: > Date: 8/12/2006 12:56:01 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo "border blasters"... > > I believe Industry Canada (the Canadian equivalent of the FCC and other > inndustrial regulkatory agencies) abandoned the forced AM migration a > couple years ago. I know Vancouver, BC, still has most of its > compliment of AM stations still broadcasting, with 600 CKBD being one > of the newest bright lights of the AM dial there... (And it's a C-QUAM > AM stereo "Unforgettable" format station that really does seem to be > doing well in Washington/BC.) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Aug 12 08:24:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17816 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2006 15:24:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2006 15:24:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s10.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.146) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2006 15:24:13 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.28]) by bay0-omc2-s10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:24:12 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:24:12 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:24:11 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:24:11 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2006 15:24:12.0176 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D1A1100:01C6BE23] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo "border blasters"... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=0-8SIiTHZG7Io5vuBCLZWgrc-JX1X3tEOo6Iu8i_1eUPqJHsPQwmvGBLH6k X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo In addition to the Industry Canada website : http://www.ic.gc.ca I've also been checking the CRTC (Canadian Radio and Television Commission) website at: http://www.crtc.gc.ca and so far haven't stumbled on why the vacation of the am band (other than the reasons David gave) or the latest developments on that front. What David is saying rings a bell, it seems I read something several years ago indicating that in some large geographical areas, the fm services weren't covering some areas that needed to be covered without an excessive number of fm translators. Donn, in Canada's "southernmost province" latitude 27.761 north :) ----Original Message Follows---- From: David Gleason Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo "border blasters"... Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 07:59:10 -0700 (PDT) The migration continues, but Industry Canada has determined that the larger Metros require AM as well as FM to provide all the services that are needed. In most places, stations are offered the alternative of getting an Fm instead of an AM... the licencee needs to apply, and it is not forced. Every month, there are a couple of these migrations. Canada simply believes AM is not technology for the 21st Century. In the US, less than 10% of listening by people under 45 is to AM. "Dick W." wrote: Amy, did you ever see any reasons given by the Canadian authorities for imposing the forced migration in the first place? Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Amy Mousie > To: > Date: 8/12/2006 12:56:01 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo "border blasters"... > > I believe Industry Canada (the Canadian equivalent of the FCC and other > inndustrial regulkatory agencies) abandoned the forced AM migration a > couple years ago. I know Vancouver, BC, still has most of its > compliment of AM stations still broadcasting, with 600 CKBD being one > of the newest bright lights of the AM dial there... (And it's a C-QUAM > AM stereo "Unforgettable" format station that really does seem to be > doing well in Washington/BC.) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Sat Aug 12 14:10:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3361 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2006 21:09:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2006 21:09:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80404.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.59) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2006 21:09:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 51695 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2006 21:08:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20060812210859.51693.qmail@web80404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.230.64.29] by web80404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:08:59 PDT Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:08:59 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo "border blasters"... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=WyADaW-duH6GcyiPRLCaEn0CWeleO7Bg1NVPNM_r9hCTV62XIA X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This started when the CBC decided AM could not cover Toronto and Montreal well, and moved to FM. Canada has pushed AMs to go to FM to improve coverage and quality, especially at night. Donn Tillman wrote: In addition to the Industry Canada website : http://www.ic.gc.ca I've also been checking the CRTC (Canadian Radio and Television Commission) website at: http://www.crtc.gc.ca and so far haven't stumbled on why the vacation of the am band (other than the reasons David gave) or the latest developments on that front. What David is saying rings a bell, it seems I read something several years ago indicating that in some large geographical areas, the fm services weren't covering some areas that needed to be covered without an excessive number of fm translators. Donn, in Canada's "southernmost province" latitude 27.761 north :) ----Original Message Follows---- From: David Gleason Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo "border blasters"... Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 07:59:10 -0700 (PDT) The migration continues, but Industry Canada has determined that the larger Metros require AM as well as FM to provide all the services that are needed. In most places, stations are offered the alternative of getting an Fm instead of an AM... the licencee needs to apply, and it is not forced. Every month, there are a couple of these migrations. Canada simply believes AM is not technology for the 21st Century. In the US, less than 10% of listening by people under 45 is to AM. "Dick W." wrote: Amy, did you ever see any reasons given by the Canadian authorities for imposing the forced migration in the first place? Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Amy Mousie > To: > Date: 8/12/2006 12:56:01 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo "border blasters"... > > I believe Industry Canada (the Canadian equivalent of the FCC and other > inndustrial regulkatory agencies) abandoned the forced AM migration a > couple years ago. I know Vancouver, BC, still has most of its > compliment of AM stations still broadcasting, with 600 CKBD being one > of the newest bright lights of the AM dial there... (And it's a C-QUAM > AM stereo "Unforgettable" format station that really does seem to be > doing well in Washington/BC.) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 14:49:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21066 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2006 21:42:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2006 21:42:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.23) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2006 21:42:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2006 21:40:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2006 21:40:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 21:40:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <380-220068612123035267@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.18.15 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo "border blasters"... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=t11x63lQbi4hf8MwsTxrStjRK4wnyGO1VmGwuTsj54bcdVjy X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W." wrote: > > Amy, did you ever see any reasons given by the Canadian authorities=20 for > imposing the forced migration in the first place? The underlying thought was to give AMers, particularly music=20 stations, a reasonable competitive chance by migrating to FM.=20 However, and even moreso in Canada than the US (though true in both=20 countries) the wide-area nazture of AM better serves more=20 communities, and still, despite the best efforts of some other=20 peoples, continues to be competitive. Most of the migration has=20 occured in "old" Canada- southeastern Ontario through the Maritime=20 provinces- but as I don't have anything to gauge east of Regina,=20 Saskachewan, at least from the praries to the Pacific coast, the=20 migration appears to have been halted, and only a few stations ever=20 made the migration. Although I can't tell for all stations, it=20 appears, from my POV in northwestern California, that Victoria,=20 Vancouver and Calgary still have most of their compliment of AMers,=20 and quite a few of them are even thriving. And 600 CKBD (a station=20 with much the same format as the former S.F. Bay stereocaster KABL,=20 although with more Canadian content) is a recent startup in the=20 Vancouver market. In short, no. :) AM is alive and well in Canada. It ain't goin' away=20 anytime soon. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ )Furthest Canadian station I can get is CBC Radio One, 540 AM,=20 Regina, Saskachewan.) From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Aug 13 04:30:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39273 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2006 11:30:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2006 11:30:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2006 11:30:37 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-75-201.dhcp.embarqhsd.net ([71.51.75.201] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GCE8F-0000fa-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 07:27:51 -0400 Message-ID: <008001c6becb$82593240$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 07:27:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo "border blasters"... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=IDohgx2LnaP_gi92LxM4JQ8BFaNY1oUuuHJLBW9ND6XpJ0mCsGu15mZPAKwJeg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Amy Mousie wrote: > However, and even moreso in Canada than the US (though true in both > countries) the wide-area nazture of AM better serves more communities, and > still, despite the best efforts of some other peoples, continues to be > competitive. I am sure by now somebody at CBC realizes how bad they screwed the pooch when they gave up CBC-1 AM 740. I am glad CHWO got that frequency, they are doing a VERY nice job with it and getting good ratings. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Aug 13 12:53:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+/LP9+53+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51238 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2006 19:53:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2006 19:53:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2006 19:53:29 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.27]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 104449866 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 14:53:23 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004a01c6bf12$eefe5640$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 14:59:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 4, First 3, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.27 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo "border blasters"... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=P6p5IsiB720Zpk928JpQKxUUPMOCdIi0uImNJAGSxIzFOS6JgPNz X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That's great news. Had it been otherwise, I can imagine a lot of US broadcasters would start raising a fuss over having to maintain directional antennas to protect a nation full of stations that no longer exist. It's true of a few stations already but not enough to the point there's enough clout to challenge current law. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > > In short, no. :) AM is alive and well in Canada. It ain't goin' away > anytime soon. :) > From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Aug 13 17:18:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39666 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2006 00:18:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2006 00:18:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80406.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.61) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2006 00:18:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 31478 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Aug 2006 00:18:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20060814001802.31476.qmail@web80406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.230.64.29] by web80406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 17:18:02 PDT Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 17:18:02 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004a01c6bf12$eefe5640$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo "border blasters"... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=Gd0hQDGt1ylpglLLZVzvrCcYX6HbbTl_yBo_qHFd2Xuoc0s1yg X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would recommend checking the technical bulletins of Industry canada, which are also available in the US via the M Street Journal. Every mont, there are anywhere from 2 to 6 AMs migrating to FM, including the parairie and western provinces. AM, it is believed, does not cover well enough to be kept except for niche formats in the big cities. The CBS studied 740 in Toronto, and consluded that a full power FM would do a better job of reaching listeners than the AM, as the AM was wiped out in many parts of Toronto by the noise level, and the night signal was eratic in the primary service area. There are nearly 200 less AMs now than there once were in Canada. Legends like CKY in Winnipeg have gone to FM, too. In many cases, the licensee can trade the AM, which must go silent, for an FM and there is a stack of pending applications still. As of this Summer, PEI will have NO AM and all FM, as a good example of what is happening in more remote areas. Scott Todd wrote: That's great news. Had it been otherwise, I can imagine a lot of US broadcasters would start raising a fuss over having to maintain directional antennas to protect a nation full of stations that no longer exist. It's true of a few stations already but not enough to the point there's enough clout to challenge current law. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > > In short, no. :) AM is alive and well in Canada. It ain't goin' away > anytime soon. :) > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 19:50:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10449 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2006 02:45:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2006 02:45:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2006 02:45:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2006 02:41:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2006 02:41:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 02:41:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060814001802.31476.qmail@web80406.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.18.15 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo "border blasters"... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=cGLo3Zr6CGEab5Ge7R9zPPGJZCBaU8zenaHXbeoDPlQ-8k6A X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, David Gleason =20 wrote: > > I would recommend checking the technical bulletins of Industry=20 canada, which are also available in the US via the M Street Journal.=20 Every mont, there are anywhere from 2 to 6 AMs migrating to FM,=20 including the parairie and western provinces. AM, it is believed,=20 does not cover well enough to be kept except for niche formats in the=20 big cities. The CBS studied 740 in Toronto, and consluded that a full=20 power FM would do a better job of reaching listeners than the AM, as=20 the AM was wiped out in many parts of Toronto by the noise level, and=20 the night signal was eratic in the primary service area.=20 This from an organisation (CBC, by the way) that has some of the=20 worst-sounding shortwave broadcasting I've heard from any major SW=20 broadcaster (overmodulated!).... FM is very terrain-dependent and=20 mostly line-of-sight, and can easily be blocked by hills and tall=20 buildings- Both of which Toronto has. As such, an FM station depends=20 on relays and translators- Not very efficient, especially when you=20 can do all of that with just ONE AM transmitter, since AM isn't=20 affected as much by terrain, except conductivity. And as I'm about 600 miles south of Vancouver, BC, thanks to being=20 within a mile of the shore, I can receive CBC-1 690 weakly, but well=20 enough to listen to in the daytime. Coverage issues, considering=20 southwestern BC is a mountainous region? :) > There are nearly 200 less AMs now than there once were in Canada.=20 Legends like CKY in Winnipeg have gone to FM, too. In many cases, the=20 licensee can trade the AM, which must go silent, for an FM and there=20 is a stack of pending applications still. As of this Summer, PEI will=20 have NO AM and all FM, as a good example of what is happening in more=20 remote areas.=20 If I recall correctly, we have someone from NS or PEI who could=20 refute that. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From philipr@irac.pe.ca Mon Aug 14 05:34:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29360 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2006 12:34:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2006 12:34:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.152) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2006 12:34:59 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n9.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2006 12:34:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2006 12:34:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2006 12:34:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 12:34:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 142.176.20.3 From: "Phil" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo "border blasters"... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723; y=cLc4pb8eMj146HwOq1h-PbfLKPzAC9ZljGRmRXghJy-w3N5LtqSo X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Amy - you are correct - CHTN-FM has been on the air for a while and=20 soon 720 CHTN will go dark. CFCY-FM has just begun testing and as=20 such before too long CFCY 630 will go dark. I expect CHTN 720 to go dark somewhere between Sept 1 and October 6=20 and CFCY 630 to go dark before Christmas. As for the "forced migration" idea, I suspect someone writing for=20 Pop-Comm got a bit carried away. The CRTC never had a forced=20 migration policy. But they did encourage stations seeking=20 to "upgrade" to go FM. For example, say I owned a 10 KW AM station=20 and was happy to keep it that way. I could buy a new transmitter,=20 replace towers, replace ground radials etc. without any pressure to=20 go FM. But say I wanted to increase power to 25 KW or 50 KW.=20=20 Industry Canada and the CRTC would then likely encourage me to=20 consider spending the money on FM instead. I would have to justify=20 why I wanted to upgrade the AM. The reason for so much migration is entirely driven by the=20 broadcasters themselves and their markets. Some stations enjoyed=20 much better coverage - example CIGO 1410 moving to 101.5. Others=20 had their coverage shifted from east to west - CJFX 580 moving to=20 98.9 and 102.5. Others suffered a big reduction in coverage - CFNB=20 550 to FM. Most want to move to FM simply because "the sound is=20 better". I've been comparing CHTN-AM with CHTN-FM and when using a good Sony=20 AM Stereo tuner on "wide", or a Collins R-390A on 16 KC bandwidth,=20 the audio quality is to my ears identical between AM and FM. Formats that tend to favour AM here in Canada are C&W and talk.=20=20 Talk radio is nowhere near as big in Canada as the USA. CBC Radio=20 One has lots of talk, so talk radio is pretty much only a big city=20 format, and a one normally associated with soft BBMs at that.=20=20 Oldies used to be big on AM, but then the average listening age got=20 just a little to old for the ad men/women and that format is being=20 exchanged for classic hits - which can be on FM. But C&W seems to=20 do quite well on AM. Especially in large Provinces where coverage=20 is important. Interestingly, C&W is a much hotter format in the west and there AM=20 is holding up better.=20=20 And, AM to FM flips are happening in larger markets - witness CHNS=20 flipping from 960 to 89.9 and becoming "Hal FM". The music is OK,=20 but the format otherwise is barf city! 1450 CFAB Windsor NS is also applying for FM. They just might not=20 get it though! A 1 KW graveyarder applying for 100KW of FM! There=20 are other issues at play too. Phil Rafuse, VY2PR PEI Canada --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, David Gleason =20 > wrote: > > > > I would recommend checking the technical bulletins of Industry=20 > canada, which are also available in the US via the M Street=20 Journal.=20 > Every mont, there are anywhere from 2 to 6 AMs migrating to FM,=20 > including the parairie and western provinces. AM, it is believed,=20 > does not cover well enough to be kept except for niche formats in=20 the=20 > big cities. The CBS studied 740 in Toronto, and consluded that a=20 full=20 > power FM would do a better job of reaching listeners than the AM,=20 as=20 > the AM was wiped out in many parts of Toronto by the noise level,=20 and=20 > the night signal was eratic in the primary service area.=20 >=20 > This from an organisation (CBC, by the way) that has some of the=20 > worst-sounding shortwave broadcasting I've heard from any major SW=20 > broadcaster (overmodulated!).... FM is very terrain-dependent and=20 > mostly line-of-sight, and can easily be blocked by hills and tall=20 > buildings- Both of which Toronto has. As such, an FM station=20 depends=20 > on relays and translators- Not very efficient, especially when you=20 > can do all of that with just ONE AM transmitter, since AM isn't=20 > affected as much by terrain, except conductivity. >=20 > And as I'm about 600 miles south of Vancouver, BC, thanks to being=20 > within a mile of the shore, I can receive CBC-1 690 weakly, but=20 well=20 > enough to listen to in the daytime. Coverage issues, considering=20 > southwestern BC is a mountainous region? :) >=20 > > There are nearly 200 less AMs now than there once were in=20 Canada.=20 > Legends like CKY in Winnipeg have gone to FM, too. In many cases,=20 the=20 > licensee can trade the AM, which must go silent, for an FM and=20 there=20 > is a stack of pending applications still. As of this Summer, PEI=20 will=20 > have NO AM and all FM, as a good example of what is happening in=20 more=20 > remote areas.=20 >=20 > If I recall correctly, we have someone from NS or PEI who could=20 > refute that. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > From philipr@irac.pe.ca Mon Aug 14 05:41:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40824 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2006 12:41:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2006 12:41:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.150) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2006 12:41:34 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n7.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2006 12:41:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2006 12:41:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2006 12:41:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 12:41:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008001c6becb$82593240$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 142.176.20.3 From: "Phil" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo "border blasters"... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723; y=n0HAnB07qPMfJLpoYQOzwQKTTKQ8gNxb7kt4Z8fZ9FlhYnRwW97k X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking I think CBC is no longer keen on AM to FM flips. They did quite a=20 few years ago, and are now holding the line. CBH 860 Halifax had a=20 poor signal and they dumped it early on. CBI 1140 Sydney seems=20 safe, thanks to Cape Breton's rugged topography. CBA 1070 Moncton=20 should be very safe - its a great way to reach folks who are at sea. AM won't die in Canada. But, it will be severely depopulated. I'd=20 like to see the CRTC and Industry Canada come up with a "plan" for=20 the AM band - emphasizing regional coverage - something FM cannot do. Eureka 147 DAB in Canada - now that is dead. Went the way of the L- cassette! LOL! AM Stereo was a BIG success compared to Eureka 147 DAB in Canada. Phil Rafuse, VY2PR PEI Canada --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > Amy Mousie wrote: > > However, and even moreso in Canada than the US (though true in=20 both=20 > > countries) the wide-area nazture of AM better serves more=20 communities, and=20 > > still, despite the best efforts of some other peoples, continues=20 to be=20 > > competitive. >=20 > I am sure by now somebody at CBC realizes how bad they screwed the=20 pooch=20 > when they gave up CBC-1 AM 740. I am glad CHWO got that frequency,=20 they are=20 > doing a VERY nice job with it and getting good ratings. >=20 > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a=20 mathematical=20 > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. -=20 Leonard Kahn > From koolstuff_69@yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 08:46:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: koolstuff_69@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23885 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2006 15:46:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2006 15:46:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.171) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2006 15:46:55 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2006 15:46:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2006 15:46:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2006 15:46:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:46:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.171 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.35.255.135 From: "koolstuff_69" Subject: re: am stereo"border blasters" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=267944071; y=vEYGzuHFp64mIdP5EdXDEtbEwEJ9obaz1bXGGt7XUz8OaZlHmAXb X-Yahoo-Profile: koolstuff_69 it's a shame that there is the technology for improved am and in stereo and in the US the fcc has declared c-quam the system to use. plus=20 the technology has been around since the 80s and by now would have been super improved on. i talked to a fm owner and he told me that am had it's time in the early years but it's fm now. i don't see it and i=20 read somewhere that the big corporations are trying to get the fcc to=20 relax the ownership rules so that they can own more stations in a=20 market. i guess with iboc and owning most of the radio stations they can compete with xm and sirius plus with the new receptors they can be programed to be a pay station. i know that money is the big motive here but are we beating an almost dead horse? bill =20 From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Aug 14 12:18:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61277 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2006 19:16:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2006 19:16:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2006 19:16:38 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-75-201.dhcp.embarqhsd.net ([71.51.75.201] helo=PossumHunter) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GChvN-0000bY-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:16:33 -0400 Message-ID: <01ad01c6bfd6$26016510$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:59:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo "border blasters"... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=WSevD-RSJkSAZB4jXHoVk9GfW97mI-AMWXZ7cD56ew5D1_z-i2x4gojbmE88Fw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Phil wrote: > 1450 CFAB Windsor NS is also applying for FM. They just might not get it > though! A 1 KW graveyarder applying for 100KW of FM! Now I love AM radio as much, if not MORE than almost anybody on this list, but If I owned a Stand-Alone Class C Graveyard AM, and could swap my license for a full grown 100KW Class C FM, I would have that FM on the air quicker than you can Say "C-QUAM"! On the other hand, if I had a nice Class A, or even a Class B with a good signal, I think I would keep my AM, but perhaps lease a HD-2 channel from another Class-C FM in the market. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 12:28:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67728 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2006 19:28:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2006 19:28:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.156) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2006 19:28:29 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n13.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2006 19:27:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2006 19:27:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2006 19:27:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 19:27:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.3.66 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo "border blasters"... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=M7fMmseI4AlykDBuE_IuQI_uahHrCwufa3H_cpVGwldDvRJM X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil" wrote: > Eureka 147 DAB in Canada - now that is dead. Went the way of the L- > cassette! LOL! I would not say DAB is dead in Canada, but it's sorely need of some=20 good recusitation! All the regions that have multiplexes still have=20 them, with the newest being Halifax and Ottawa, and in several, a=20 second multiplex has been added. The CBC only operates on one=20 multiplex, and that one is in Montreal. What's needed is a PR revival=20 and importing usable DAB radios from Europe (not UK, since Canada is=20 L-Band, and not Band III, as in the UK). Additionally, if you really=20 want to make DAB practical for Canadians, adding services in second=20 cities and perhaps a single-frequency network on the Trans-Canada=20 Highway might just do it. Who do I blame for the marketing fiasco?=20 Industry Canada, of course, and the lack of CBC's participation. It=20 might never get DAB as a viable alternative to FM, but if the CBC, IC=20 and Canada's broadcasting groups threw more weight behind it, DAB=20 could survive. DAB is inevitable, though, particularly since it's still progressing=20 (at various paces) around the world, and eventually, it would be=20 practical to just get DAB out on the market, opening up the DAB=20 receiver market (and more revenue for the Canadian Federal=20 government). > AM Stereo was a BIG success compared to Eureka 147 DAB in Canada. Considerably moreso than here in the US! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amdavid@pacbell.net Mon Aug 14 21:54:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99229 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2006 04:54:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2006 04:54:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80411.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.66) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2006 04:54:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 96547 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Aug 2006 04:54:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20060815045451.96545.qmail@web80411.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.208.168.179] by web80411.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 21:54:51 PDT Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 21:54:51 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} re: am stereo"border blasters" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=-G_P2l7g63fV1kFcrMCRLdnVklRH2t-uNLMMRxg25Rclxer_UQ X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is no plan to make HD or the additional HD channels pay channels. There is no working model for pay listening to 5 or 6 channels, when the Sirius and XM models with 150 channels each for $13 does not yet work, and only has a small number of subscribers. The model for terrestrial radio in the US is based on advertising revenue, and that is what will be continued with HD... just more options. The issue is different in Canada, where there appears to be little interst in saving AM, so it has been policy to make a migration to FM easy. The US does not have open frequencies in most places, so this is not an option, unfortunately. koolstuff_69 wrote: it's a shame that there is the technology for improved am and in stereo and in the US the fcc has declared c-quam the system to use. plus the technology has been around since the 80s and by now would have been super improved on. i talked to a fm owner and he told me that am had it's time in the early years but it's fm now. i don't see it and i read somewhere that the big corporations are trying to get the fcc to relax the ownership rules so that they can own more stations in a market. i guess with iboc and owning most of the radio stations they can compete with xm and sirius plus with the new receptors they can be programed to be a pay station. i know that money is the big motive here but are we beating an almost dead horse? bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 00:38:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79148 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2006 07:36:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2006 07:36:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2006 07:36:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2006 07:36:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2006 07:36:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 07:36:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060815045451.96545.qmail@web80411.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.3.66 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} re: am stereo"border blasters" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=pR8qn6qQYAtrYPH1tYG8Kc2yGcJPTsp-EJlhKVub0A22erfx X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, David Gleason wrote: > > There is no plan to make HD or the additional HD channels pay=20 channels. There is no working model for pay listening to 5 or 6=20 channels, when the Sirius and XM models with 150 channels each for $13=20 does not yet work, and only has a small number of subscribers. The=20 model for terrestrial radio in the US is based on advertising revenue,=20 and that is what will be continued with HD... just more options.=20 Define "small", here..... XM has 8 million subscribers (I am one) and=20 Sirius has about 5 or 6 million.... Add to that, that XM has additional=20 subscribers indirectly via DirecTV satellite service. (Or was it Dish=20 Network...) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 00:41:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62162 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2006 07:41:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2006 07:41:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.160) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2006 07:41:05 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2006 07:40:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2006 07:40:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2006 07:40:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 07:40:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.75 From: "jotape1960" Subject: AM Stereo future best chance? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=V9hFGspKrJw25am0UzegHij33EsW5NWUenReHmjQmAnc3vITtg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI! I'm new in this forum. I'm from Curic=F3, Chile, South America. I'm a=20 maintenance technician in a local AM radio station. I've always love=20 AM and the stereo and hi-fi possibilities. But... in my country the=20 AM Stereo system isn't a popular current concept, at least I don't=20 know a chilean AM station working today with and AM Stereo format. I thought it's due to the classic and endemic "inertia" of my=20 country, but now I thought it because I really thought Motorola C- Quam AM Stereo was the best of the best. Now, since I've read about AM Stereo on Internet, I've changed my=20 mind and I don't know if somebody think like me but (in spite of I=20 don't have tested it directly) I don't think Motorola C-Quam was the=20 best system selected to the AM band. Why? Basically because C-Quam uses phase modulation, and the carrier=20 phase is the most affected RF wave characteristic in the LW, MW and=20 SW bands. Remember the atmospheric propagation can't be controlled by=20 human systems then it isn't a good idea to "play" with an element out=20 of our control (as the carrier phase). And it's the same to the IBOC system. You know IBOC doesn't work at=20 night. Is it a real progress? Then, the question if... Is there another AM Stereo system? In fact,=20 Yes, there is! Independent SideBands AM Stereo. I think there must be more than one way to get it but the final=20 result will be always the same: one carrier and two independent=20 sidebands. I'm a radio ham (CE4LDJ) and I have a multimode HF transceiver (SSB,=20 CW, AM and FM) and this commercial device can transmit full single=20 sideband with more than 40 dbs of attenuation of the carrier and=20 undesired sideband. It isn't a professional device, then I assume=20 it's possible to make an AM transmitter with full independent=20 sidebands with more professional performance! And I'm an "eyewitness" of this experiment on the '80 decade. With=20 four SSB HF transceivers: one TX and one RX to the lower sideband and=20 the other pair to the upper sideband, all of them at the same central=20 carrier. IT WORKS SO FINE! At least into 40 kilometers around the TXs. Of course, I know it wasn't a professional experience! But you know=20 it works. The problem to the Independent SideBand AM Stereo was and is the=20 tuner: it's more complicated to make a good single sideband receiver=20 because the filters. But now, with the digital domain helping I think=20 it's more easy. Of course, everybody knows we can use two mono AM tuner, one a few=20 out of tune to the lower sideband and the other a few out of tune to=20 the upper sideband and we'll get an stereo system! The question is: Why the FCC approved the worst system? Why not to=20 try to revert this decision? Is there somebody in this forum who thinks like me? Thanks for your time! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. CC-126 Radio Condell AM 1260 kHz Curic=F3, Chile From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 01:55:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86810 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2006 08:42:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2006 08:42:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.190) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2006 08:42:12 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n23.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2006 08:42:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2006 08:42:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2006 08:42:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:42:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.3.66 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: AM Stereo future best chance? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=SPwBHwdwW_byvrn3lAMPXm0M4sgIa3YsLkIz8c0Ttg77EhHz X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: *snip* =A1Buenos dias, Juan! :) Welcome to the AM Stereo Forum. :) It's nice to see someone from the southern continent- I know that=20 there have beenm some AM stereo activity in Brazil and Venezuela, but=20 I do't remember offhand any others. Actually, C-QUAM is hardly the "worst" of the AM stereo systems that=20 were proposed. And no, it isn't phase modulation, but a modified=20 quadrature AM (think of polarised lenses! One being turned 90 degrees=20 from the other...). However, it does get affected by phase shifting,=20 which is why it's good to work with reducing phase modulation on AM.=20 The newer C-QUAM chips will compensate by using a phase detector to=20 rebalance the modulation and give a more stable reception. Independent Sideband (ISB) is fine, but it's also affected by phase.=20 The way Kahn modulated ISB was to use phase modulation to cancel out=20 sidebands. Although it's also quadrature AM, the polarity of the L-R=20 audio is reversed, which gives it the distinct independent sidebands.=20 There is a way to convert a C-QUAM decoder to ISB, though. The best AM stereo system, of the four tat were in thne running in=20 the early 1980s was Magnavox, which did use phase modulation, but in=20 a way that it was stable. Harris had a variable-angle quadrature AM system, and was actually=20 quite popular. Sadly, the FCC didn't like how Harris wrote up the=20 performance, as it didn't match what the FCC found- Harris gave=20 incorrect information, so it was banned. Both Harris and Kahn's ISB suffered from harmonic interference, which=20 ultimately led to the FCC's decision. Magnavox had already fallen out=20 of the competition, since only 6 stations ever adopted the system. So=20 that left C-QUAM. C-QUAM has good stereo separation to as much as=20 ~55dB (just ask Bill at WNMB!) with a dynamic range at least as good,=20 and it has low harmonic distortion. It's not THE best that could've=20 been, but it is a good system. :) An interesting technique for ISB is=20 to use an ISB converter and phase-shift network to convert C-QUAM to=20 ISB-- You get all of C-QUAM's benefits while having true independent=20 sideband stereo. :) It's sometimes called "C-ISB". (This is what I'm talking about: http://tinyurl.com/h824q ) Again, welcome to the AMS Forum. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Aug 15 03:17:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73830 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2006 10:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2006 10:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2006 10:17:15 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-75-201.dhcp.embarqhsd.net ([71.51.75.201] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GCvxJ-0002L0-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 06:15:29 -0400 Message-ID: <006001c6c053$b983f7d0$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 06:15:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} re: am stereo"border blasters" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=SPySpyyWPzs0JSQARN2Omz_j3iLR43rOINxqO7LfcvYVfEEGTp7q0v8ayxR14A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Amy Mousie wrote: >XM has additional subscribers indirectly via DirecTV satellite service. (Or >was it Dish Network...) XM is on DirecTV, Sirius is on Dish Network Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Aug 15 04:12:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73018 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2006 11:11:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2006 11:11:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2006 11:11:33 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-75-201.dhcp.embarqhsd.net ([71.51.75.201] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GCwlk-00072a-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 07:07:36 -0400 Message-ID: <006801c6c05b$01a33d30$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 07:07:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo future best chance? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=051V-zs0ZudLH1-H8KrzXwa5UIAvKEuZr_wQj94-fdVoAeg_zjkqM2pJoAQxmg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jotape1960 wrote: >I don't think Motorola C-Quam was the best system selected to the AM band. You are correct! Gee, the FM stereo system we are stuck with today was not the best choice either! > >I assume it's possible to make an AM transmitter with full independent sidebands with more professional performance! Leonard Kahn has been doing this for Decades. See his web site at: http://www.wrathofkahn.org/ > >The problem to the Independent SideBand AM Stereo was and is the tuner: it's more complicated to make a good single sideband receiver because the filters. But now, with the digital domain helping I think it's more easy. The Tuner was the easy part! Several manufacturers had Multi-Mode radios that would switch between ISB and C-QUAM Stereo, and some would even switch automatically like my Kenwood car Stereo. Since the carrier is still being transmitted when broadcasting ISB Stereo, there is no need for a BFO > >Of course, everybody knows we can use two mono AM tuner, one a few out of tune to the lower sideband and the other a few out of tune to the upper sideband and we'll get an stereo system! With lots of audio distortion! > >The question is: Why the FCC approved the worst system? There were FAR worse systems of AM-Stereo out there that didn't get approval. > > Why not to try to revert this decision? I wish they would go back to allowing broadcasters to decide the system they want to use, and just use multi-system chips in AM Stereo tuners. There are a LOT of stations broadcasting in Kahn PowerSide that could go back to full stereo simply by flipping a switch on their Kahn ISB Exciter...and indeed a few do "Cheat" and illegally broadcast in ISB Stereo! Now there is a BETTER digital In-Band On-Channel System called Kahn CAM-D that not only delivers the advantages of Digital, it actually improves the reception of listeners with legacy Analog radios. By allowing broadcasters to choose the AM Stereo system they want to use, the broadcaster can decide if he would rather have the slightly better sound quality of C-QUAM in his "City-Grade" signal area, or the rock-solid stable and fade resistant ISB Stereo for his DX Signal. Since C-QUAM and Kahn's two systems are transparent to the Mono listener, and does not cause any more interference than a Mono signal, and in fact CAM-D REDUCES interference, there is no reason not to allow broadcasters to choose. On the other hand, the FCC needs to cram all of the worms back into the HD-Radio can BEFORE it is too late! > >Is there somebody in this forum who thinks like me? Yes! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Tue Aug 15 16:56:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7224 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2006 23:53:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2006 23:53:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80407.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.62) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2006 23:53:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 54237 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Aug 2006 23:52:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20060815235258.54235.qmail@web80407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.208.123.142] by web80407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 16:52:58 PDT Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 16:52:58 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} re: am stereo"border blasters" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=fggcTeRHya_edOFBpvYEompWczbuAFLq_JEH8uYzdaXaURUxQw X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Small" as in less than a 0.5 share of local market listening for all channels. Most XM and Sirius receivers are in cars, so they only affect the 30% of radio listening nationally in the US that takes place in cars. There are around 1,000,000,000 AM FM radios in the US, vs. about 12 to 14 million satellite receivers.And the churn rate on satellite is increasing, too, per admissions in the last XM investor call. This is a niche market, mostly populated by the same people who did not use or used radio only minimally. And now that all the early adopters have bought, the next stage is getting what are called "value seekers" and the Wall Street analysts believe that the growth will slow considerable (as it has) now. Amy Mousie wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, David Gleason wrote: > > There is no plan to make HD or the additional HD channels pay channels. There is no working model for pay listening to 5 or 6 channels, when the Sirius and XM models with 150 channels each for $13 does not yet work, and only has a small number of subscribers. The model for terrestrial radio in the US is based on advertising revenue, and that is what will be continued with HD... just more options. Define "small", here..... XM has 8 million subscribers (I am one) and Sirius has about 5 or 6 million.... Add to that, that XM has additional subscribers indirectly via DirecTV satellite service. (Or was it Dish Network...) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue Aug 15 17:54:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+VJMy+56+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58770 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2006 00:48:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2006 00:48:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2006 00:48:26 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.12]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 107984958 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 19:47:58 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c6c0ce$6d688480$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 19:53:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 20, in=15, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.12 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo future best chance? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=cq8zfxd2DORY4vp-b_3Fdqj-wdIvnZz7xImj3XRsMxsdaPowzXqe X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Most of the engineers I know actually liked the Harris system best. The upside to Magnavox would have been the simple reciever chips from a major manufacturer. Trouble was they didn't understand the transmit side of the equation as well as they needed to. Broadcasters were already modulating heavily then. When the AM part was modulated more than 95% it would create pops in the receiver since the L-R PM signal lost carrier for proper decoding. Motorola won on muscle and marketing, though to keep their position they did have to improve what they had. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" The best AM stereo system, of the four tat were in thne running in the early 1980s was Magnavox, which did use phase modulation, but in a way that it was stable. Harris had a variable-angle quadrature AM system, and was actually quite popular. Sadly, the FCC didn't like how Harris wrote up the performance, as it didn't match what the FCC found- Harris gave incorrect information, so it was banned. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue Aug 15 17:58:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+VJMy+56+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1098 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2006 00:53:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2006 00:53:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2006 00:53:37 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.12]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 107985696 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 19:53:22 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501c6c0cf$2ec280e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <006801c6c05b$01a33d30$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 19:59:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 20, in=16, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.12 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo future best chance? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=voJm8I3RZpqFRlGS4hgb60vWENFvA_oIy1LvQPaoivUspi1y3E-8 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Multimode might be fine in today's DSP age, but unless you've got the bucks to start building the radios yourself, it's unlikely anyone else will bother. I've heard that satellite isn't as popular as it might be if XM and Sirius used the same algorithm. Why not a multimode satellite receiver? It's possible, but nobody's doing it. As for CAM-D, it's nothing more than analog ISB with essentially the equivalent of digital SBR tacked on. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > I wish they would go back to allowing broadcasters to decide the system they want to use, and just use multi-system chips in AM Stereo tuners. There are a LOT of stations broadcasting in Kahn PowerSide that could go back to full stereo simply by flipping a switch on their Kahn ISB Exciter...and indeed a few do "Cheat" and illegally broadcast in ISB Stereo! Now there is a BETTER digital In-Band On-Channel System called Kahn CAM-D that not only delivers the advantages of Digital, it actually improves the reception of listeners with legacy Analog radios. > > By allowing broadcasters to choose the AM Stereo system they want to use, the broadcaster can decide if he would rather have the slightly better sound quality of C-QUAM in his "City-Grade" signal area, or the rock-solid stable and fade resistant ISB Stereo for his DX Signal. Since C-QUAM and Kahn's two systems are transparent to the Mono listener, and does not cause any more interference than a Mono signal, and in fact CAM-D REDUCES interference, there is no reason not to allow broadcasters to choose. On the other hand, the FCC needs to cram all of the worms back into the HD-Radio can BEFORE it is too late! From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Aug 15 18:27:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22628 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2006 01:27:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2006 01:27:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2006 01:27:01 -0000 Received: from ibm64aec.bellsouth.net ([72.144.106.212]) by imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060816012659.YUCO24675.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm64aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:26:59 -0400 Received: from JUAN ([72.144.106.212]) by ibm64aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20060816012658.DXJF13542.ibm64aec.bellsouth.net@JUAN> for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:26:58 -0400 Message-ID: <005501c6c0d3$1024d6c0$0301a8c0@JUAN> To: References: <20060815235258.54235.qmail@web80407.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:26:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0633-1, 08/15/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 205.152.59.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: OT: Sat Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=1_xP8J9bp-IZH1oHN4A10UlSlkXd-rgW7SRNnzyi3-0S-Rg X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I can add my two cents to the discussion here. As a 23 year Broadcast veteran, I absorb all the information and any studies that have come out concerning Satellite Radio. I also own 2 Sirius receivers. I also deal with and sell XM for GM. Customers who want XM for their vehicles usually already have them. But what I am seeing now, is a definite shift for Sirius. Those who own it already (Sirius), vs. XM, are more passionate about Sirius. I do not agree that Satellite users used Radio only marginally. This, in my opinion is just the opposite. People, and this includes myself are massive Radio listeners who just got fed up with the same pap over and over. Ask most people who really like their Satellite Radios, and they will say it's the content, NOT the lack of commercials. And now with these stupid formats like JACK, and other no thought formats, this will insure more people actually PAY for variety and choice. If it's Stern, NFL, All 70's, Nostalgia, All Comedy, Classic Country or even Bubba, you will find me most of the time listening to Satellite. I do enjoy listening to small market radio though, with real content like community events, local news and personality...real personality. Most of the Big guys have abandoned this long ago. A few get it, but they are in the minority. Satellite will never replace AM/FM Broadcast Radio, but terrestrial Radio is sure trying to kill themselves. For the fact that millions of people are willing to pay for entertainment, this says it all. Juan Gualda Ft. Pierce, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: David Gleason To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 7:52 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} re: am stereo"border blasters" "Small" as in less than a 0.5 share of local market listening for all channels. Most XM and Sirius receivers are in cars, so they only affect the 30% of radio listening nationally in the US that takes place in cars. There are around 1,000,000,000 AM FM radios in the US, vs. about 12 to 14 million satellite receivers.And the churn rate on satellite is increasing, too, per admissions in the last XM investor call. This is a niche market, mostly populated by the same people who did not use or used radio only minimally. And now that all the early adopters have bought, the next stage is getting what are called "value seekers" and the Wall Street analysts believe that the growth will slow considerable (as it has) now. Amy Mousie wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, David Gleason wrote: > > There is no plan to make HD or the additional HD channels pay channels. There is no working model for pay listening to 5 or 6 channels, when the Sirius and XM models with 150 channels each for $13 does not yet work, and only has a small number of subscribers. The model for terrestrial radio in the US is based on advertising revenue, and that is what will be continued with HD... just more options. Define "small", here..... XM has 8 million subscribers (I am one) and Sirius has about 5 or 6 million.... Add to that, that XM has additional subscribers indirectly via DirecTV satellite service. (Or was it Dish Network...) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Aug 15 23:32:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83583 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2006 06:28:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2006 06:28:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s34.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.170) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2006 06:28:59 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.29]) by bay0-omc2-s34.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:28:20 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:28:19 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 06:28:15 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 06:28:15 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2006 06:28:19.0601 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A537810:01C6C0FD] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: RE: {AMSF} OT: Sat Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=su2IVcRCYjjsKffULx_1GwU8RiCaRyyRTWQSB2CdEBlDhqZU4neA6bV1-Kw X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo I have to agree with Juan,( his two cents is worth a lot more than 2 cents!) I too was a terrestrial radio junkie until several years ago and had been since my uncle bought me a radio when I was 7 or 8 years old. I now only listen to terrestrial radio several hours a week, usually on the weekends or to dx occasionally. I am passionate about XM, although I know Sirius is great as well. I can listen to any MLB game I want, not what just the locals broadcast, I can listen to radio programs from the 1930's - 1960's on one channel. (The Bickerson's, Dragnet, Gunsmoke, Fiber Magee and Molly,Jack Benny, Bob Hope, Johnny Dollar etc), 5 different country music formats, 3 classical music formats, numerous rock channels, the decades, and much much more. On the 60's and 70's channels, XM (and I sure Sirius does as well) t plays many good, but forgotten songs, that most terrestrial stations can't or won't play. btw- beginning this Friday at noon (EDT), XM will play in chronological order all songs from the Roaring 20's through the year 2000, this will take several weeks; they've done this before, playing all the number songs from 1931 through 2000, but this time they're reaching into their vaults to go back to the Roaring 20's; should be interesting.(all songs in their extensive library) I can also turn in to local traffic and weather, when I want at any time, not just morning and afternoon drive times. I know that satellite radio sales are now flat (as is real estate, Wal-Mart and many other areas of the economy), but I would imagine that there were more satellite receivers being used when satellite radio was about a year old than IBOC receivers being used now, with the IBOC receivers having been available for about a year.(where availalbe) As far for paying for the satellite radio service, one only has to go back to the 1980's to hear the naysayers say that no one would pay to receive TV, since terrestrial tv was free, it's the same concept. Donn, St Petersburg --------------- Original Post -------------------- If I can add my two cents to the discussion here. As a 23 year Broadcast veteran, I absorb all the information and any studies that have come out concerning Satellite Radio. I also own 2 Sirius receivers. I also deal with and sell XM for GM. Customers who want XM for their vehicles usually already have them. But what I am seeing now, is a definite shift for Sirius. Those who own it already (Sirius), vs. XM, are more passionate about Sirius. I do not agree that Satellite users used Radio only marginally. This, in my opinion is just the opposite. People, and this includes myself are massive Radio listeners who just got fed up with the same pap over and over. Ask most people who really like their Satellite Radios, and they will say it's the content, NOT the lack of commercials. And now with these stupid formats like JACK, and other no thought formats, this will insure more people actually PAY for variety and choice.................. Juan, Ft. Pierce ----Original Message Follows---- From: Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: Subject: {AMSF} OT: Sat Radio Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:26:56 -0400 If I can add my two cents to the discussion here. As a 23 year Broadcast veteran, I absorb all the information and any studies that have come out concerning Satellite Radio. I also own 2 Sirius receivers. I also deal with and sell XM for GM. Customers who want XM for their vehicles usually already have them. But what I am seeing now, is a definite shift for Sirius. Those who own it already (Sirius), vs. XM, are more passionate about Sirius. I do not agree that Satellite users used Radio only marginally. This, in my opinion is just the opposite. People, and this includes myself are massive Radio listeners who just got fed up with the same pap over and over. Ask most people who really like their Satellite Radios, and they will say it's the content, NOT the lack of commercials. And now with these stupid formats like JACK, and other no thought formats, this will insure more people actually PAY for variety and choice. If it's Stern, NFL, All 70's, Nostalgia, All Comedy, Classic Country or even Bubba, you will find me most of the time listening to Satellite. I do enjoy listening to small market radio though, with real content like community events, local news and personality...real personality. Most of the Big guys have abandoned this long ago. A few get it, but they are in the minority. Satellite will never replace AM/FM Broadcast Radio, but terrestrial Radio is sure trying to kill themselves. For the fact that millions of people are willing to pay for entertainment, this says it all. Juan Gualda Ft. Pierce, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: David Gleason To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 7:52 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} re: am stereo"border blasters" "Small" as in less than a 0.5 share of local market listening for all channels. Most XM and Sirius receivers are in cars, so they only affect the 30% of radio listening nationally in the US that takes place in cars. There are around 1,000,000,000 AM FM radios in the US, vs. about 12 to 14 million satellite receivers.And the churn rate on satellite is increasing, too, per admissions in the last XM investor call. This is a niche market, mostly populated by the same people who did not use or used radio only minimally. And now that all the early adopters have bought, the next stage is getting what are called "value seekers" and the Wall Street analysts believe that the growth will slow considerable (as it has) now. Amy Mousie wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, David Gleason wrote: > > There is no plan to make HD or the additional HD channels pay channels. There is no working model for pay listening to 5 or 6 channels, when the Sirius and XM models with 150 channels each for $13 does not yet work, and only has a small number of subscribers. The model for terrestrial radio in the US is based on advertising revenue, and that is what will be continued with HD... just more options. Define "small", here..... XM has 8 million subscribers (I am one) and Sirius has about 5 or 6 million.... Add to that, that XM has additional subscribers indirectly via DirecTV satellite service. (Or was it Dish Network...) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 23:42:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12077 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2006 06:41:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2006 06:41:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.21) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2006 06:41:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2006 06:41:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2006 06:41:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 06:41:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006801c6c05b$01a33d30$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.79 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo future best chance? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=6fyDG43aaVhQkv-n0FwNU5I_aP6VATAxiuNy5pVsefXva28o5w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: >=20 > Yes! >=20 > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a=20 mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than=20 FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > HI AM STEREO FANS!!! Thank you so much for your words and your comments!!! I've always thought there aren't technical limitations for a very=20 good sound in AM, mono or stereo. I've never have to get understand=20 why the AM tuners have a so bad audio output. Are people whom hate=20 the AM radios into the factories? I post a file, an schematic diagram of a crazy idea I have: a pure=20 and fully independent single sideband transmitter. But I'm not an=20 engineer, then I need and I want to know the experts opinion about=20 the design. Why Kahn and others use phase modulation to get an ISB AM=20 Stereo? Why to complicated it? Some radio ham devices use a balanced=20 modulator to get the single sidebands. Others use filters. I'm not=20 sure which way is better. About the digital audio to the AM bands, I want to say something, a=20 very, very, very crazy idea (remember I'm not an engineer): Why to=20 try to do that is still do it? What do I mean? Please, try to follow my crazy thought: an amplitude modulated=20 carrier is esentially a kind of "digitalization" process. What? Think, as you can see on any oscilloscope screen, any cycle of the=20 carrier has a peak value (I discovered the wheel!). If you join "n"=20 carrier cycles you will get an stream of "n" peaks values (I still=20 discovered the wheel!). Then you could see this stream of values as a=20 digital stream! Of course you have to translate all of this values into a binary code=20 to get a real digital stream. Then, it's the time for tuners (not transmitters): What if we use=20 digital convertion and processing into the tuners? If we can use a commercial software to "clean" a dirty vinyl record,=20 Why not to use digital domain to "clean" the normal AM reception? Well, I hope all your comments about that crazy ideas. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. Radio Condell AM Curic=F3, Chile, South America From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Tue Aug 15 23:44:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 79275 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2006 06:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2006 06:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.197) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2006 06:44:24 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n6.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2006 06:43:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2006 06:43:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2006 06:43:45 -0000 Date: 16 Aug 2006 06:43:42 -0000 Message-ID: <1155710622.4295.62690.w113@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /AM STEREO ISB Transmitter Block Diagram.png Uploaded by : jotape1960 Description : Block Diagram "pure" ISB TX You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/AM%20STEREO%20ISB%20Transmitter%20Block%20Diagram.png To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, jotape1960 From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Aug 16 03:04:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66280 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2006 10:02:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2006 10:02:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2006 10:02:27 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-75-201.dhcp.embarqhsd.net ([71.51.75.201] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GDIED-0001f1-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 06:02:25 -0400 Message-ID: <008401c6c11b$1012e7b0$6405a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 06:02:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo future best chance? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=hmhnffpewkI9srglLtjEizdfOMchcttpYye1RpQtodO8Xdp5-K1BGWfuq2FtPw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jotape1960 wrote: >I've never have to get understand why the AM tuners have a so bad audio >output. Are people whom hate the AM radios into the factories? There are a few AM tuners on the market with GREAT audio, but they are very rare. > >I post a file, an schematic diagram of a crazy idea I have: a pure and >fully independent single sideband transmitter. But I'm not an engineer, >then I need and I want to know the experts opinion about the design. There is no reason why It would not work. This is very much like a Tube Regency CB (11 Meter) radio I own. > >Why Kahn and others use phase modulation to get an ISB AM Stereo? Why to >complicated it? This was mainly to allow radio stations to use their existing transmitter plant. A BIG selling point of Kahn's CAM-D system is radio stations can use existing tube transmitters to broadcast a Digital signal. With HD-Radio, a station must upgrade to a new digital compatible transmitter. > >Some radio ham devices use a balanced modulator to get the single >sidebands. Others use filters. I'm not sure which way is better. Each design has it's own advantages and disadvantages. > >If we can use a commercial software to "clean" a dirty vinyl record, Why >not to use digital domain to "clean" the normal AM reception? This is getting to be a pretty standard feature on many radios. One of the best I have heard is the Cobra "Sound-Tracker" system used on Cobra CBs. Gee, I have been thinking about getting the service manual for one of these radios and adding Sound Tracker to one of my SWL radios, like my Realistic DX-200. Blessed be Juan! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Aug 16 07:14:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52995 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2006 14:14:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2006 14:14:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s26.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.98) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2006 14:14:49 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.20]) by bay0-omc1-s26.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:12:21 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:12:21 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:12:18 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:12:18 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2006 14:12:21.0041 (UTC) FILETIME=[FD1E1210:01C6C13D] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.98 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} re: am stereo"border blasters" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=3rjhY0zoJiwAkNaFLkNceSmPs5MaNYha8BD-FN6kaGA5rW31i0IR2z7B8-4 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo According to the article from Radio and Record, there are now 182 AM stations in Canada, down from 190 the year before. The remaining 182 profits did increase slightly from a year ago, according to this article. Donn ----------------------------------------------------------------- Canadian Radio Sales Up Big In '05 Aug. 15, 2006 By Norma Reveler, The Hollywood Reporter SOURCE: TheHollywoodReporter Canadian private radio stations are on a tear, with Statistics Canada on Monday (August 14) reporting airtime sales jumping 9.7% in 2005 to CAN$1.3 million ($1.16 billion), the largest year-to-year increase since 1988. The government statistics agency reported overall revenues of CAN$1.03 billion ($895 million) for private FM radio stations and another CAN$208.2 million ($186 million) in revenue for AM stations. The improved performance by domestic FM radio stations comes as they face increasing competition from emerging digital platforms, including Internet-based radio and U.S. satellite subscription services. Statscan said radio stations in Canada's five largest urban markets, including Calgary, Ottawa and Toronto, were most profitable, posting an average pre-tax profit margin of 26.9%. That compares with a profit margin of 15.1% for stations in smaller urban markets. Statscan also said the number of private FM radio stations grew to 393 in 2005 from 369 a year earlier, with advertising revenues climbing 11.3% to break the CAN$1 billion ($888.6 million) mark. By contrast, the number of AM radio stations declined by eight to 182, with advertising revenues edging up 0.7% to $268.8 million (CAN$302.6 million), enabling this sector to record a profit for the third consecutive year. SAVE | EMAIL | PRINT | MOST POPULAR | RSS | REPRINTS From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Aug 17 18:09:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+tED7+58+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90369 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2006 01:05:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2006 01:05:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2006 01:05:57 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.96]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 107476105 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 20:05:51 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c6c263$443ae8a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 20:11:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 1, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.96 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo future best chance? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=e0fzsQ5gm6eSnyx5FCmqMy85_gFhjyd82ZOwGIlUXhabaYJ89SEV X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude They already exist, mostly in car radios. They're known as digi-ceivers and recover the modulation digitally. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" Then, it's the time for tuners (not transmitters): What if we use digital convertion and processing into the tuners? If we can use a commercial software to "clean" a dirty vinyl record, Why not to use digital domain to "clean" the normal AM reception? From amdavid@pacbell.net Fri Aug 18 13:51:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22611 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2006 20:51:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2006 20:51:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80410.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2006 20:51:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 8645 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Aug 2006 20:50:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20060818205003.8643.qmail@web80410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.215.118.0] by web80410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:50:03 PDT Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:50:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003d01c6c263$443ae8a0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo future best chance? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=NIWAahmVSBPVy9pNa71PzIaoJtziGdei-Kop50iOq9qU0Wa2rg X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But... you can not clean what is not there. If the staiton, as in the US, is using the NRSC 10 kHz roll off, you can not clean or recover anything over 10 kHz as it is just not there. Scott Todd wrote: They already exist, mostly in car radios. They're known as digi-ceivers and recover the modulation digitally. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" Then, it's the time for tuners (not transmitters): What if we use digital convertion and processing into the tuners? If we can use a commercial software to "clean" a dirty vinyl record, Why not to use digital domain to "clean" the normal AM reception? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Fri Aug 18 19:34:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23294 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2006 02:28:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2006 02:28:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flpi102.sbcis.sbc.com) (207.115.20.71) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2006 02:28:20 -0000 X-ORBL: [68.251.150.93] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-251-150-93.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.251.150.93]) by flpi102.sbcis.sbc.com (8.13.7 out spool5000 dk/8.13.7) with SMTP id k7J2SFKX005893 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 19:28:16 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c6c337$20843270$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <20060818205003.8643.qmail@web80410.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 22:28:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0633-4, 08/18/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.20.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Well, I bought an HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=bhgvTMQTQ2ep-3CqqU5keAMHbUTBHkVasZFWPPrnlDsqNaY X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 Hey gang.... Since I am an early adopter of technology, I purchased my second HD Radio today. I already bought a Boston Acoustics radio and was less than impressed.. now I am even more underwhelmed. Wednesday I bought an Alpine CDA9856 tuner with the T500HD decoder (a separate $200 piece of equipment they had to stash somewhere under the dash) and I am very disappointed. First off, let me say that analog AM radio is safe.. Unless I'm within 20 miles of the WIBC 50,000 watt transmitter, it will not receive and decode the IBOC signal. The Boston Acoustics radio was the same way, but I thought the car-stereo would be better.. it wasn't. FM isn't much better. I live about 40 miles south of Indianapolis, and none of their class B FM's (50,000 watts at 500 feet) deliver an HD signal to where I live. Apparently, just like the Boston Acoustics you have to be within 20-30 miles of them to receive and decode their IBOC data. The coverage of HD radio will certainly be an issue... especially in areas where the metro area is much larger than Indianapolis. The only way HD radio will succeed on either band it to improve their signal, and the only way I know to do this is to discontinue the analog carrier and dedicate the entire bandwidth to IBOC, and increase the level. As for audio quality, there is very little difference between FM analog and FM HD. I'd like to tell you how the AM sounds but I have yet to be able to pick up any of the AM stations broadcasting with HD.. I guess you've got to be closer to the transmitter site than I've had time to go. I was actually pretty excited about my purchase because I wanted to be able to check out the new music options, but unless I drive north about 20 miles, I can't pick up a single HD broadcast. I feel like I just wissed away $400... -Jim- From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 00:57:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2940 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2006 07:57:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2006 07:57:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2006 07:57:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2006 07:57:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2006 07:57:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 07:57:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060818205003.8643.qmail@web80410.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.117 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo future best chance? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Wb8JDzUG7KB7G9RnVKefz0maellBl_cxZyNhMcu3Z40e37vbcA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, David Gleason wrote: > > But... you can not clean what is not there. If the staiton, as in the=20 US, is using the NRSC 10 kHz roll off, you can not clean or recover=20 anything over 10 kHz as it is just not there.=20 >=20 It doesn't matter! When I was young, I had a serious discussion with a teacher about the=20 human ear bandwidth. I defended the wrong idea, I thought we can hear=20 from 16 to 25,000 Hz. Now I'm old and I have more experience and, if it's true we can hear=20 all those frecuencies, now I know we can't notice any above 10,000 or=20 12,000 Hz in normal audio situations (because there is a psichoacoustic=20 phenomenon called, in some books, "masking"). I have done a test about it. From 20 people whom listen the same song=20 with two versions: one version with the broadband (up to 20,000 Hz=20 according the CDs specifications, but I don't believe it) and other=20 with a FFT filter from 30 to 10,000 Hz. Nobody noted a difference! Then, if you roll off above 10,000 Hz... it doesn't matter! The great really problem is the AM tuners with a 3 kHz roll off! Here,=20 in Chile, I don't know any tuner without that filter. Then, the AM, in=20 Chile, sounds... HORRIBLE!!! Even, most new radios doesn't have AM!!! The PC radio cards and the MP3=20 players/tuners, as example, doesn't have AM. Why? I think it's due to the same reason the AM band is almost dead in=20 the most countries: THE ENORMOUS WEAKNESS AND PASSIVITY OF THE AM=20 BROADCASTERS!!! We are guilty of that sin. In the 1960's decade the AM radios should transmit with high fidelity=20 and stereo sound. There were all the technical elements to do it.=20 But... the FCC took (like it's often) a bad decision: to help the FM=20 band! Unfortunately, here, in Chile, the local "FCC" always tends to=20 follow your USA FCC decisions. What did the AM broadcasters do? According to the history... NOTHING! Now, everybody weeps! Try to think what the AM world would be now if the high fidelity and=20 the stereo sound had been a reality in the golden age of 1960's. Well, I hope we won't fall in the same hole, again! All AM broadcasters must to join and demand a new FCC rule to force the=20 tuner markers to made, at least, 8kHz audio bandwidth AM tuners! With only analog audio but with a good stereo system (like ISB) we can=20 save and revive the AM. Please, let the digital audio to the CDs, PCs, pendrives, etc. As Scott told (and I didn't know it), there are some DSP tuners. I=20 guess it sounds great (at least, better than today 3kHz roll off AM=20 tuners). Thanks for your time! Excuse my bad english. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. Radio Condell AM Curic=F3, Chile, South America From droland66@yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 21:47:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97091 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 04:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 04:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 04:46:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2006 04:46:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2006 04:46:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 04:46:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.62.179.16 From: "david roland" Subject: Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=vmWtPCoQBsNehcP4QAa-rE2zuzoGh71WcbOhLpiHxry5CEsL X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 If the very best of available electronic wizardry were used in new=20 (affordable) AM receivers to decode high quality analog AM-Stereo=20 broadcasts that use the entire 10 kHz bandwidth plus allowable=20 rolloff, what tricks could be done to virtually eliminate static=20 such as that produced during an electrical storm? what could be=20 done to reject the noise produced by traffic signals, etc? Could=20 any frequencies above 10 kHz be analyzed for quality, carrier=20 whistle eliminated, and the EQ boosted so that some of that=20 information could be useful? Is the 10 kHz a brickwall or can it=20 roll off gradually (what are the restrictions of the mask?). Would=20 it be possible for Dolby labs or some other such company to work=20 with EQ curves, etc. and come up with a standard that would=20 dramatically improve the sound quality of AM audio for music in a=20 way that would make people really take notice of AM's advantages?=20=20 Would it be possible to add a third channel to AM's signal so that=20 Quad sound or 5.1 could be encoded within the same bandwidth making=20 fidelity geeks come flocking back to AM radio? Finally, if more=20 local AM stations were allowed to operate such that the number of=20 stations was closer to that found on the FM band, but broadcasts=20 were limited to groundwaves at night for all but the clearchannels,=20 would it be possible to extend decent reception up to the 50 or more=20 miles that is often achieved on FM stations broadcasting from=20 mountain tops and really tall towers but not going any further?=20=20 what could be done to keep AM signals from combining where we here=20 more than one broadcast at the same time similar to the way FM tends=20 to reject the weaker signal? I know there are a lot of questions in=20 here, but I'm curious if AM radio has a future that includes a=20 return to its musical roots (I would really like to see free format=20 AM radio and experimentation that harkens to the late 60's-early=20 70's FM--very few ads, too)? That would probably sell a lot of the=20 new receivers! From mcseke@rogers.com Sun Aug 20 04:36:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mcseke@rogers.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9443 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 11:34:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 11:34:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.176) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 11:34:49 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n9.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2006 11:33:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2006 11:33:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2006 11:33:18 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:33:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c6c337$20843270$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.176 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.231.65.143 From: "miklos" Subject: Re: Well, I bought an HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=118698225; y=90RT85Iif7S0zeJdEOXAA3sZ4AcMFAdn0ruVs4vUgUY1UyFK6qc X-Yahoo-Profile: mikloscseke and you have to make this advertisement on the AM stereo forum --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > Hey gang.... > Since I am an early adopter of technology, I purchased my second HD=20 Radio=20 > today. > I already bought a Boston Acoustics radio and was less than=20 impressed.. now=20 > I am even more underwhelmed. > Wednesday I bought an Alpine CDA9856 tuner with the T500HD decoder=20 (a=20 > separate $200 piece of equipment they had to stash somewhere under=20 the dash)=20 > and I am very disappointed. > First off, let me say that analog AM radio is safe.. Unless I'm=20 within 20=20 > miles of the WIBC 50,000 watt transmitter, it will not receive and=20 decode=20 > the IBOC signal. The Boston Acoustics radio was the same way, but I=20 thought=20 > the car-stereo would be better.. it wasn't. > FM isn't much better. I live about 40 miles south of Indianapolis,=20 and none=20 > of their class B FM's (50,000 watts at 500 feet) deliver an HD=20 signal to=20 > where I live. Apparently, just like the Boston Acoustics you have=20 to be=20 > within 20-30 miles of them to receive and decode their IBOC data.=20=20 The=20 > coverage of HD radio will certainly be an issue... especially in=20 areas where=20 > the metro area is much larger than Indianapolis. > The only way HD radio will succeed on either band it to improve=20 their=20 > signal, and the only way I know to do this is to discontinue the=20 analog=20 > carrier and dedicate the entire bandwidth to IBOC, and increase the=20 level. > As for audio quality, there is very little difference between FM=20 analog and=20 > FM HD. I'd like to tell you how the AM sounds but I have yet to be=20 able to=20 > pick up any of the AM stations broadcasting with HD.. I guess you've=20 got to=20 > be closer to the transmitter site than I've had time to go. > I was actually pretty excited about my purchase because I wanted to=20 be able=20 > to check out the new music options, but unless I drive north about=20 20 miles,=20 > I can't pick up a single HD broadcast. > I feel like I just wissed away $400... > -Jim- > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Aug 20 04:56:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60176 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 11:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 11:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 11:54:06 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-75-201.dhcp.embarqhsd.net ([71.51.75.201] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GElhX-0000xM-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 07:42:47 -0400 Message-ID: <006b01c6c44d$c10f9e70$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 07:42:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=AzHmXNITiasOZbz6QNa2bMlEYVqe-BPLm72qWP1rjfXJ4uqjlm3iEyUH4CCxoQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 david roland wrote: >what tricks could be done to virtually eliminate static such as that >produced during an electrical storm? what could be done to reject the >noise produced by traffic signals, etc? DSP can get rid of almost all of the above causes of noise. The most widely available noise reducing DSP the consumer can get is the "Sound -Tracker" system in some Cobra CB radios. It is shocking how well Sound-Tracker works. > > Could any frequencies above 10 kHz be analyzed for quality, carrier > whistle eliminated, and the EQ boosted so that some of that information > could be useful? In the United States and Canada, broadcasters are using a brick wall 10 kHz filter, so no information is being broadcast for a radio to decode. > > Is the 10 kHz a brickwall or can it roll off gradually (what are the > restrictions of the mask?). It can be rather steeply rolled off and still meet NRSC standards. > >Would it be possible for Dolby labs or some other such company to work with >EQ curves, etc. and come up with a standard that would dramatically improve >the sound quality of AM audio for music in a way that would make people >really take notice of AM's advantages? It is called "AMax" The standard has been around for over 15 Years...and has been mostly ignored. The only 2 radios still in mass production that meet the AMax standards are the GE 7-2887 Superadio III http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/spcialty/0547.html and the Fanfare FTA-100 http://www.fanfare.com/fta-100-sht.html > > Would it be possible to add a third channel to AM's signal so that Quad > sound or 5.1 could be encoded within the same bandwidth making fidelity > geeks come flocking back to AM radio? Matrix Quad will pass through Motorola C-QUAM AM Stereo. > > Finally, if more local AM stations were allowed to operate such that the > number of stations was closer to that found on the FM band, If you have a good enough antenna and a good enough receiver, you will find even in the daytime, in almost every area of the US, there is a station on every single channel of the AM Broadcast band! > > but broadcasts were limited to groundwaves at night for all but the > clearchannels, would it be possible to extend decent reception up to the > 50 or more miles that is often achieved on FM stations broadcasting from > mountain tops and really tall towers but not going any further? While Skywave can be reduced with "Anti-Fade" antennas, you cannot broadcast Groundwave without skywave. > > what could be done to keep AM signals from combining where we here more > than one broadcast at the same time similar to the way FM tends to reject > the weaker signal? Synchronized AM transmitters (Such as done with HD-Radio) goes a LONG way to reduce co-Channel interference, but AM will still not reject the weaker signal, as you went between two synchronized transmitters, you would hear the weaker station in the background gradually getting louder, then the original station in the background of the station you are driving to until the original station faded away. On the other hand, with two Co-Channel HD-Radio stations, you would loose the digital signal LONG before you would get into the digital signal of the second station, you would still get the Analog effects above. > > I know there are a lot of questions in here, but I'm curious if AM radio > has a future that includes a return to its musical roots (I would really > like to see free format AM radio and experimentation that harkens to the > late 60's-early 70's FM--very few ads, too)? That would probably sell a > lot of the new receivers! Yes AM's worst enemies are the Program Directors and Programming consultants! Here in East Central Florida, we are lucky to have WVLG with a "Live-N-Local" Nostalgia music format with lots of local events and information. We can also get 1540 ZNS-1 Nassau, Bahamas. ZNS-1 is programmed just like the small market AMs were in the old days and is fun to listen to. If you drive over to the Space Coast and South, you can also get 810 C6B3 (AKA ZNS-3) Freeport, Bahamas. You will find quite a few sunbathers listening to ZNS while resting on Florida beaches! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Aug 20 05:35:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88242 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 12:35:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 12:35:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 12:35:03 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-75-201.dhcp.embarqhsd.net ([71.51.75.201] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GEmVv-0004di-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:34:52 -0400 Message-ID: <00a601c6c455$078a82a0$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:34:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Well, I bought an HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=JYagCxbCA4rLYIxBIF-ofuKNP7QjD3CowDSp2CNuBWGZ_cB-HoaDS70ZceY4Tg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Jim Burgan wrote: >I purchased my second HD Radio today. Gee, for just a little more money than you wasted for those two nearly useless radios, you could have had a Fanfare FTA-100 and a Alpha-Delta DX-SWL Super Sloper antenna. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Aug 20 08:17:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17206 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 15:17:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 15:17:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80401.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.56) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 15:17:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 12172 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2006 15:17:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20060820151719.12134.qmail@web80401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.230.64.29] by web80401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:17:19 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:17:19 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006b01c6c44d$c10f9e70$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=YgGQA5URl5IQDgXaD-KKvLpCqzfzNv8c2_OVmKsE0p72JCOuKQ X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Yes AM's worst enemies are the Program Directors and Programming >consultants! Here in East Central Florida, we are lucky to have WVLG with a >"Live-N-Local" Nostalgia music format with lots of local events and >information. We can also get 1540 ZNS-1 Nassau, Bahamas. ZNS-1 is programmed AM's worst enemy is age. Less than a 9% share of persons 12-44 listen to AM. Every year, the average age of the AM band listener increases by .66 years. By 2012, nearly none of the AM listening will be by persons under 55, and there are no significant ad buys for 55+.... none at all. There is no way to get younger persons to listen to AM at present because the quality sucks and the image of AM as a talk medium is well ingrained. Even the smarter broadcasters are moving AM talk formats to FM, such as WTOP, KSL and KTAR... even WNLS! You [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Aug 20 08:17:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19963 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 15:17:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 15:17:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80409.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.64) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 15:17:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 40345 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2006 15:17:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20060820151721.40343.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.230.64.29] by web80409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:17:21 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:17:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006b01c6c44d$c10f9e70$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=leg_Am3130xgjNoou4Y7gkyzC-8wHYmfBiySOuN2pM3vL2r7gA X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Yes AM's worst enemies are the Program Directors and Programming >consultants! Here in East Central Florida, we are lucky to have WVLG with a >"Live-N-Local" Nostalgia music format with lots of local events and >information. We can also get 1540 ZNS-1 Nassau, Bahamas. ZNS-1 is programmed AM's worst enemy is age. Less than a 9% share of persons 12-44 listen to AM. Every year, the average age of the AM band listener increases by .66 years. By 2012, nearly none of the AM listening will be by persons under 55, and there are no significant ad buys for 55+.... none at all. There is no way to get younger persons to listen to AM at present because the quality sucks and the image of AM as a talk medium is well ingrained. Even the smarter broadcasters are moving AM talk formats to FM, such as WTOP, KSL and KTAR... even WNLS! You could [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Aug 20 08:19:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74510 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 15:17:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 15:17:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80410.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 15:17:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 8843 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2006 15:17:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20060820151731.8841.qmail@web80410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.230.64.29] by web80410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:17:31 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:17:31 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006b01c6c44d$c10f9e70$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=ldG29U2sxFUrbKcycfndaF8YEXxyyOdC-45oTm8LQWo8v6MCZg X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Yes AM's worst enemies are the Program Directors and Programming >consultants! Here in East Central Florida, we are lucky to have WVLG with a >"Live-N-Local" Nostalgia music format with lots of local events and >information. We can also get 1540 ZNS-1 Nassau, Bahamas. ZNS-1 is programmed AM's worst enemy is age. Less than a 9% share of persons 12-44 listen to AM. Every year, the average age of the AM band listener increases by .66 years. By 2012, nearly none of the AM listening will be by persons under 55, and there are no significant ad buys for 55+.... none at all. There is no way to get younger persons to listen to AM at present because the quality sucks and the image of AM as a talk medium is well ingrained. Even the smarter broadcasters are moving AM talk formats to FM, such as WTOP, KSL and KTAR... even WNLS! You could put the best programming [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Aug 20 08:20:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15010 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 15:17:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 15:17:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80401.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.56) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 15:17:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 12247 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2006 15:17:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20060820151730.12245.qmail@web80401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.230.64.29] by web80401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:17:30 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:17:30 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006b01c6c44d$c10f9e70$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=9J4SHvIRfhII4iDJCKCsmYSv_a05qXbpaZRI2Z1jrHnKeuX9aw X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Yes AM's worst enemies are the Program Directors and Programming >consultants! Here in East Central Florida, we are lucky to have WVLG with a >"Live-N-Local" Nostalgia music format with lots of local events and >information. We can also get 1540 ZNS-1 Nassau, Bahamas. ZNS-1 is programmed AM's worst enemy is age. Less than a 9% share of persons 12-44 listen to AM. Every year, the average age of the AM band listener increases by .66 years. By 2012, nearly none of the AM listening will be by persons under 55, and there are no significant ad buys for 55+.... none at all. There is no way to get younger persons to listen to AM at present because the quality sucks and the image of AM as a talk medium is well ingrained. Even the smarter broadcasters are moving AM talk formats to FM, such as WTOP, KSL and KTAR... even WNLS! You could put the best programming possible on AM,a nd you [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Aug 20 08:20:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31186 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 15:17:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 15:17:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80404.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.59) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 15:17:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 37841 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2006 15:17:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20060820151730.37839.qmail@web80404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.230.64.29] by web80404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:17:30 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:17:30 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006b01c6c44d$c10f9e70$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=AFOc2jth6E-LbUbLOHK93Pr0chKSzAlit9BYwe7ukKXIydXykQ X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Yes AM's worst enemies are the Program Directors and Programming >consultants! Here in East Central Florida, we are lucky to have WVLG with a >"Live-N-Local" Nostalgia music format with lots of local events and >information. We can also get 1540 ZNS-1 Nassau, Bahamas. ZNS-1 is programmed AM's worst enemy is age. Less than a 9% share of persons 12-44 listen to AM. Every year, the average age of the AM band listener increases by .66 years. By 2012, nearly none of the AM listening will be by persons under 55, and there are no significant ad buys for 55+.... none at all. There is no way to get younger persons to listen to AM at present because the quality sucks and the image of AM as a talk medium is well ingrained. Even the smarter broadcasters are moving AM talk formats to FM, such as WTOP, KSL and KTAR... even WNLS! You could put [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Aug 20 08:20:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32003 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 15:17:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 15:17:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80408.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.63) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 15:17:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 51918 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2006 15:17:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20060820151722.51910.qmail@web80408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.230.64.29] by web80408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:17:22 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:17:22 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006b01c6c44d$c10f9e70$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=tOxPVmAsucMnVb9o6JIrf7xsswlq_bmI4r5jyeuvSh2H6VblSw X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Yes AM's worst enemies are the Program Directors and Programming >consultants! Here in East Central Florida, we are lucky to have WVLG with a >"Live-N-Local" Nostalgia music format with lots of local events and >information. We can also get 1540 ZNS-1 Nassau, Bahamas. ZNS-1 is programmed AM's worst enemy is age. Less than a 9% share of persons 12-44 listen to AM. Every year, the average age of the AM band listener increases by .66 years. By 2012, nearly none of the AM listening will be by persons under 55, and there are no significant ad buys for 55+.... none at all. There is no way to get younger persons to listen to AM at present because the quality sucks and the image of AM as a talk medium is well ingrained. Even the smarter broadcasters are moving AM talk formats to FM, such as WTOP, KSL and KTAR... even WNLS! You could put the best [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Aug 20 08:20:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32620 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 15:17:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 15:17:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80411.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.66) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 15:17:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 23831 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2006 15:17:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20060820151730.23829.qmail@web80411.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.230.64.29] by web80411.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:17:30 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:17:30 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006b01c6c44d$c10f9e70$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=rznKbuEACPpIycCYDjf-pwG3VWX5E8iIpIAw5-scFR7Pedhtag X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Yes AM's worst enemies are the Program Directors and Programming >consultants! Here in East Central Florida, we are lucky to have WVLG with a >"Live-N-Local" Nostalgia music format with lots of local events and >information. We can also get 1540 ZNS-1 Nassau, Bahamas. ZNS-1 is programmed AM's worst enemy is age. Less than a 9% share of persons 12-44 listen to AM. Every year, the average age of the AM band listener increases by .66 years. By 2012, nearly none of the AM listening will be by persons under 55, and there are no significant ad buys for 55+.... none at all. There is no way to get younger persons to listen to AM at present because the quality sucks and the image of AM as a talk medium is well ingrained. Even the smarter broadcasters are moving AM talk formats to FM, such as WTOP, KSL and KTAR... even WNLS! You could put the best programming possible on AM,a [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Aug 20 08:21:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9258 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 15:17:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 15:17:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80402.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.57) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 15:17:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 66111 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2006 15:17:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20060820151721.66109.qmail@web80402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.230.64.29] by web80402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:17:21 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:17:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006b01c6c44d$c10f9e70$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=f6CYXRJCyXO3U9oXa3VVgHCj6NFVbbNdFb7_u1WH0CgDAyUiVw X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Yes AM's worst enemies are the Program Directors and Programming >consultants! Here in East Central Florida, we are lucky to have WVLG with a >"Live-N-Local" Nostalgia music format with lots of local events and >information. We can also get 1540 ZNS-1 Nassau, Bahamas. ZNS-1 is programmed AM's worst enemy is age. Less than a 9% share of persons 12-44 listen to AM. Every year, the average age of the AM band listener increases by .66 years. By 2012, nearly none of the AM listening will be by persons under 55, and there are no significant ad buys for 55+.... none at all. There is no way to get younger persons to listen to AM at present because the quality sucks and the image of AM as a talk medium is well ingrained. Even the smarter broadcasters are moving AM talk formats to FM, such as WTOP, KSL and KTAR... even WNLS! You could put the [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Aug 20 08:21:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34982 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 15:18:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 15:18:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80403.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.58) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 15:18:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 12954 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2006 15:17:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20060820151731.12952.qmail@web80403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.230.64.29] by web80403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:17:31 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:17:31 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006b01c6c44d$c10f9e70$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=3W30hZYjJFvukqNaVBa33A5WjA-RJTykNI2mFgdclYK9ZSDEtg X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Yes AM's worst enemies are the Program Directors and Programming >consultants! Here in East Central Florida, we are lucky to have WVLG with a >"Live-N-Local" Nostalgia music format with lots of local events and >information. We can also get 1540 ZNS-1 Nassau, Bahamas. ZNS-1 is programmed AM's worst enemy is age. Less than a 9% share of persons 12-44 listen to AM. Every year, the average age of the AM band listener increases by .66 years. By 2012, nearly none of the AM listening will be by persons under 55, and there are no significant ad buys for 55+.... none at all. There is no way to get younger persons to listen to AM at present because the quality sucks and the image of AM as a talk medium is well ingrained. Even the smarter broadcasters are moving AM talk formats to FM, such as WTOP, KSL and KTAR... even WNLS! You could put the best programming possible [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Aug 20 08:22:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18631 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 15:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 15:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80409.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 15:18:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 40371 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2006 15:17:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20060820151729.40369.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.230.64.29] by web80409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:17:29 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:17:29 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006b01c6c44d$c10f9e70$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=prw1k_Ap227PqOcTGnSxspvCZ4zOuBlAvtTawCtzbTivK9fg4w X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Yes AM's worst enemies are the Program Directors and Programming >consultants! Here in East Central Florida, we are lucky to have WVLG with a >"Live-N-Local" Nostalgia music format with lots of local events and >information. We can also get 1540 ZNS-1 Nassau, Bahamas. ZNS-1 is programmed AM's worst enemy is age. Less than a 9% share of persons 12-44 listen to AM. Every year, the average age of the AM band listener increases by .66 years. By 2012, nearly none of the AM listening will be by persons under 55, and there are no significant ad buys for 55+.... none at all. There is no way to get younger persons to listen to AM at present because the quality sucks and the image of AM as a talk medium is well ingrained. Even the smarter broadcasters are moving AM talk formats to FM, such as WTOP, KSL and KTAR... even WNLS! You could put the best programming possible on AM,a nd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Aug 20 08:22:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29568 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 15:18:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 15:18:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80402.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.57) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 15:18:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 66116 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2006 15:17:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20060820151732.66114.qmail@web80402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.230.64.29] by web80402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:17:32 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:17:32 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006b01c6c44d$c10f9e70$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=W1bpDinqNuPkptyc380pyShV38sRi--h4fVEEFXcd5ryWzsUSA X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Yes AM's worst enemies are the Program Directors and Programming >consultants! Here in East Central Florida, we are lucky to have WVLG with a >"Live-N-Local" Nostalgia music format with lots of local events and >information. We can also get 1540 ZNS-1 Nassau, Bahamas. ZNS-1 is programmed AM's worst enemy is age. Less than a 9% share of persons 12-44 listen to AM. Every year, the average age of the AM band listener increases by .66 years. By 2012, nearly none of the AM listening will be by persons under 55, and there are no significant ad buys for 55+.... none at all. There is no way to get younger persons to listen to AM at present because the quality sucks and the image of AM as a talk medium is well ingrained. Even the smarter broadcasters are moving AM talk formats to FM, such as WTOP, KSL and KTAR... even WNLS! You could put the best programming possible on [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Aug 20 08:24:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92293 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 15:24:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 15:24:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 15:24:57 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-75-201.dhcp.embarqhsd.net ([71.51.75.201] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GEpAM-0002J8-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:24:46 -0400 Message-ID: <010b01c6c46c$c3af5e80$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060820151719.12134.qmail@web80401.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:24:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=-wz9349TQPrMvAspm9Fm4mvrKIbiYxvhdeUFjRlg3lay0evhoQ_SooOBCYFORQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 David Gleason wrote: > There is no way to get younger persons to listen to AM at present because > the quality sucks and Ha! Tell THAT to my Ex-GF's 12 year old Son who listens to 990 WDYZ All day long! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From amfmdx@qwest.net Sun Aug 20 08:54:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@qwest.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71995 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 15:53:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 15:53:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net) (63.231.195.115) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 15:53:42 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-09.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-09.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.9]) by mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id 4E3BD22DDEA for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:48:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-174-223.phnx.qwest.net (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (130.13.174.223) by mpls-pop-09.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 15:48:15 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:48:14 -0700 Message-ID: To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 In-Reply-To: <010b01c6c46c$c3af5e80$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 63.231.195.115 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=264393189; y=MFQBUy3iBFKhanMyPuTejRKMe6KM138FQPAl60KpGWY21EGbHQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 8/20/06 8:24 AM, "Possum Hunter" wrote: >> > There is no way to get younger persons to listen to AM at present because >> > the quality sucks and > > Ha! Tell THAT to my Ex-GF's 12 year old Son who listens to 990 WDYZ All day > long! > > Kevin, > > My daughter used to listen to KMIK 1580 all the time and at 16 she listens to > KFYI 550 at night to hear Coast to Coast. My other two adult kids listen to > Coast to Coast. That tells me if the program is interesting to them, they will > listen no matter what band it is on. > > The 16 y/o does listen to CDs and MP3 though more than any radio. > > Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wa2fnq@optonline.net Sun Aug 20 10:36:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55249 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 17:36:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 17:36:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.171) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 17:36:14 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2006 17:35:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2006 17:35:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2006 17:35:24 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 17:35:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c6c337$20843270$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.171 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: Well, I bought an HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=cD5eUFVvSNVHpp4Yq7W4k5piirylWZeOgvJ9I5B05YzO X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > As for audio quality, there is very little difference between FM=20 analog and=20 > FM HD. Seems I said this about a month ago but.... Brodcasters need to re-think how they're handling audio. But then if=20 they'd stop beating the h*** out of the FM analog audio it would sound=20 good too. Jerry WA2FNQ From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Aug 20 11:11:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96490 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 18:11:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 18:11:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80408.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.63) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 18:11:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 7635 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2006 18:11:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20060820181148.7633.qmail@web80408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.230.64.29] by web80408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:11:48 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:11:48 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.63 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=VcLtNzZUC_622pCC2Oih1KDdW_c9JnxJt2hKLXJOzPmqf2jE8Q X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The 12-24 use of AM is less than a 5% share. In 12-44, it is less than a 9%= share.=20 =20=20=20 There are some listeners, but in general not enough for staitons to be vi= able in younger demos. There are no ad campaigns for 55+, with the example = being Los Angeles, the largest radio ad market in the US, where not one age= ncy campaign was placed against 55+ so far this year.=20 =20=20=20 AM, in a few more years, will not be viable=20 "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" wrote: On 8/20/06 8:24 AM, "Possum Hunter" w= rote: >> > There is no way to get younger persons to listen to AM at present beca= use >> > the quality sucks and >=20 > Ha! Tell THAT to my Ex-GF's 12 year old Son who listens to 990 WDYZ All d= ay > long! >=20 > Kevin, >=20 > My daughter used to listen to KMIK 1580 all the time and at 16 she listen= s to > KFYI 550 at night to hear Coast to Coast. My other two adult kids listen = to > Coast to Coast. That tells me if the program is interesting to them, they= will > listen no matter what band it is on. >=20 > The 16 y/o does listen to CDs and MP3 though more than any radio. >=20 > Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Aug 20 11:12:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 206 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 18:12:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 18:12:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80407.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.62) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 18:12:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 10225 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2006 18:11:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20060820181146.10223.qmail@web80407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.230.64.29] by web80407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:11:46 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:11:46 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=SlziaIwAOiV4bE9kyz4B4GFCzooJmxc58xQH4RRexZ-vJ1JDUQ X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The 12-24 use of AM is less than a 5% share. In 12-44, it is less than a 9%= share.=20 =20=20=20 There are some listeners, but in general not enough for staitons to be vi= able in younger demos. There are no ad campaigns for 55+, with the example = being Los Angeles, the largest radio ad market in the US, where not one age= ncy campaign was placed against 55+ so far this year.=20 =20=20=20 AM, in a few more=20 "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" wrote: On 8/20/06 8:24 AM, "Possum Hunter" w= rote: >> > There is no way to get younger persons to listen to AM at present beca= use >> > the quality sucks and >=20 > Ha! Tell THAT to my Ex-GF's 12 year old Son who listens to 990 WDYZ All d= ay > long! >=20 > Kevin, >=20 > My daughter used to listen to KMIK 1580 all the time and at 16 she listen= s to > KFYI 550 at night to hear Coast to Coast. My other two adult kids listen = to > Coast to Coast. That tells me if the program is interesting to them, they= will > listen no matter what band it is on. >=20 > The 16 y/o does listen to CDs and MP3 though more than any radio. >=20 > Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Aug 20 11:12:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1022 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 18:12:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 18:12:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80406.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.61) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 18:12:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 73799 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2006 18:12:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20060820181209.73797.qmail@web80406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.230.64.29] by web80406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:12:09 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:12:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=RalcgQ0rqHQr8YkJZlrRbrG5Q0Ey0UTOUZYRdd5MK6eWezDgMw X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The 12-24 use of AM is less than a 5% share. In 12-44, it is less than a 9%= share.=20 =20=20=20 There are some listeners, but in general not enough for staitons to be vi= able in younger demos. There are no ad campaigns for 55+, with the example = being Los Angeles, the largest radio ad market in the US, where not one age= ncy campaign was placed against 55+ so far this year.=20 =20=20=20 AM, in a few more years, will not be viable even on the few biggter stati= ons. An example is Phoenix's KTAR, which is=20 "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" wrote: On 8/20/06 8:24 AM, "Possum Hunter" w= rote: >> > There is no way to get younger persons to listen to AM at present beca= use >> > the quality sucks and >=20 > Ha! Tell THAT to my Ex-GF's 12 year old Son who listens to 990 WDYZ All d= ay > long! >=20 > Kevin, >=20 > My daughter used to listen to KMIK 1580 all the time and at 16 she listen= s to > KFYI 550 at night to hear Coast to Coast. My other two adult kids listen = to > Coast to Coast. That tells me if the program is interesting to them, they= will > listen no matter what band it is on. >=20 > The 16 y/o does listen to CDs and MP3 though more than any radio. >=20 > Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Aug 20 11:12:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1473 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 18:12:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 18:12:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80401.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.56) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 18:12:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 67512 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2006 18:11:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20060820181156.67510.qmail@web80401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.230.64.29] by web80401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:11:56 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:11:56 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.56 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=rdzDeGifndUacMKfxECHFd2pqjhQh8gpPanUwjn6hxgR1ozZ-A X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The 12-24 use of AM is less than a 5% share. In 12-44, it is less than a 9%= share.=20 =20=20=20 There are some listeners, but in general not enough for staitons to be vi= able in younger demos. There are no ad campaigns for 55+, with the example = being Los Angeles, the largest radio ad market in the US, where not one age= ncy campaign was placed against 55+ so far this year.=20 =20=20=20 AM, in a few more years, will not be=20 "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" wrote: On 8/20/06 8:24 AM, "Possum Hunter" w= rote: >> > There is no way to get younger persons to listen to AM at present beca= use >> > the quality sucks and >=20 > Ha! Tell THAT to my Ex-GF's 12 year old Son who listens to 990 WDYZ All d= ay > long! >=20 > Kevin, >=20 > My daughter used to listen to KMIK 1580 all the time and at 16 she listen= s to > KFYI 550 at night to hear Coast to Coast. My other two adult kids listen = to > Coast to Coast. That tells me if the program is interesting to them, they= will > listen no matter what band it is on. >=20 > The 16 y/o does listen to CDs and MP3 though more than any radio. >=20 > Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Aug 20 11:12:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69316 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 18:12:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 18:12:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80408.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.63) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 18:12:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 7791 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2006 18:11:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20060820181159.7789.qmail@web80408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.230.64.29] by web80408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:11:59 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:11:59 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=9Y-KFUeyRFzZAVNpWzVRIKAKmQBGLDYMeIRTACDSkoIEfi1XXw X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The 12-24 use of AM is less than a 5% share. In 12-44, it is less than a 9%= share.=20 =20=20=20 There are some listeners, but in general not enough for staitons to be vi= able in younger demos. There are no ad campaigns for 55+, with the example = being Los Angeles, the largest radio ad market in the US, where not one age= ncy campaign was placed against 55+ so far this year.=20 =20=20=20 AM, in a few more years, will not be viable even on ghe=20 "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" wrote: On 8/20/06 8:24 AM, "Possum Hunter" w= rote: >> > There is no way to get younger persons to listen to AM at present beca= use >> > the quality sucks and >=20 > Ha! Tell THAT to my Ex-GF's 12 year old Son who listens to 990 WDYZ All d= ay > long! >=20 > Kevin, >=20 > My daughter used to listen to KMIK 1580 all the time and at 16 she listen= s to > KFYI 550 at night to hear Coast to Coast. My other two adult kids listen = to > Coast to Coast. That tells me if the program is interesting to them, they= will > listen no matter what band it is on. >=20 > The 16 y/o does listen to CDs and MP3 though more than any radio. >=20 > Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Aug 20 11:13:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8440 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 18:13:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 18:13:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80402.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.57) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 18:13:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 22000 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2006 18:11:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20060820181158.21998.qmail@web80402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.230.64.29] by web80402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:11:58 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:11:58 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=sCpCZhk2evZbXIfP-ygfFwNPRFXdk-i72kCepmzRiOWLY65lCg X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The 12-24 use of AM is less than a 5% share. In 12-44, it is less than a 9%= share.=20 =20=20=20 There are some listeners, but in general not enough for staitons to be vi= able in younger demos. There are no ad campaigns for 55+, with the example = being Los Angeles, the largest radio ad market in the US, where not one age= ncy campaign was placed against 55+ so far this year.=20 =20=20=20 AM, in a few more years, will not be viable even on the few biggter stati= ons. An=20 "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" wrote: On 8/20/06 8:24 AM, "Possum Hunter" w= rote: >> > There is no way to get younger persons to listen to AM at present beca= use >> > the quality sucks and >=20 > Ha! Tell THAT to my Ex-GF's 12 year old Son who listens to 990 WDYZ All d= ay > long! >=20 > Kevin, >=20 > My daughter used to listen to KMIK 1580 all the time and at 16 she listen= s to > KFYI 550 at night to hear Coast to Coast. My other two adult kids listen = to > Coast to Coast. That tells me if the program is interesting to them, they= will > listen no matter what band it is on. >=20 > The 16 y/o does listen to CDs and MP3 though more than any radio. >=20 > Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Aug 20 11:13:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12908 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 18:13:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 18:13:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80404.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.59) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 18:13:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 98466 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2006 18:12:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20060820181205.98464.qmail@web80404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.230.64.29] by web80404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:12:05 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:12:05 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.59 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=E6sjdsXlFZfbfvbJ5nFY0PXkKJcMQqCVo5lGlrDYqkc2o4Sf-A X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The 12-24 use of AM is less than a 5% share. In 12-44, it is less than a 9%= share.=20 =20=20=20 There are some listeners, but in general not enough for staitons to be vi= able in younger demos. There are no ad campaigns for 55+, with the example = being Los Angeles, the largest radio ad market in the US, where not one age= ncy campaign was placed against 55+ so far this year.=20 =20=20=20 AM, in a few more years, will not be viable even on the few biggter stati= ons. An example is Phoenix's=20 "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" wrote: On 8/20/06 8:24 AM, "Possum Hunter" w= rote: >> > There is no way to get younger persons to listen to AM at present beca= use >> > the quality sucks and >=20 > Ha! Tell THAT to my Ex-GF's 12 year old Son who listens to 990 WDYZ All d= ay > long! >=20 > Kevin, >=20 > My daughter used to listen to KMIK 1580 all the time and at 16 she listen= s to > KFYI 550 at night to hear Coast to Coast. My other two adult kids listen = to > Coast to Coast. That tells me if the program is interesting to them, they= will > listen no matter what band it is on. >=20 > The 16 y/o does listen to CDs and MP3 though more than any radio. >=20 > Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Aug 20 11:13:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26314 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 18:12:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 18:12:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80403.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.58) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 18:12:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 71239 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2006 18:12:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20060820181211.71237.qmail@web80403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.230.64.29] by web80403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:12:11 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:12:11 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=L3g-6YnnrhaztwJRfldzAZIH5MxmT8u24Aj46s9SrnZE5aolDw X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The 12-24 use of AM is less than a 5% share. In 12-44, it is less than a 9%= share.=20 =20=20=20 There are some listeners, but in general not enough for staitons to be vi= able in younger demos. There are no ad campaigns for 55+, with the example = being Los Angeles, the largest radio ad market in the US, where not one age= ncy campaign was placed against 55+ so far this year.=20 =20=20=20 AM, in a few more years, will not be viable even on the few biggter stati= ons. An example is Phoenix's KTAR, which is going to=20 "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" wrote: On 8/20/06 8:24 AM, "Possum Hunter" w= rote: >> > There is no way to get younger persons to listen to AM at present beca= use >> > the quality sucks and >=20 > Ha! Tell THAT to my Ex-GF's 12 year old Son who listens to 990 WDYZ All d= ay > long! >=20 > Kevin, >=20 > My daughter used to listen to KMIK 1580 all the time and at 16 she listen= s to > KFYI 550 at night to hear Coast to Coast. My other two adult kids listen = to > Coast to Coast. That tells me if the program is interesting to them, they= will > listen no matter what band it is on. >=20 > The 16 y/o does listen to CDs and MP3 though more than any radio. >=20 > Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Aug 20 11:13:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75847 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 18:13:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 18:13:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80406.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.61) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 18:13:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 73609 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2006 18:12:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20060820181201.73603.qmail@web80406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.230.64.29] by web80406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:12:01 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:12:01 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=nF4ryOXDG0FrZy1XyoZ0-vo9hfiCWMyV25Y6FY7DDR26QjRPzQ X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The 12-24 use of AM is less than a 5% share. In 12-44, it is less than a 9%= share.=20 =20=20=20 There are some listeners, but in general not enough for staitons to be vi= able in younger demos. There are no ad campaigns for 55+, with the example = being Los Angeles, the largest radio ad market in the US, where not one age= ncy campaign was placed against 55+ so far this year.=20 =20=20=20 AM, in a few more years, will not be viable even on the few=20 "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" wrote: On 8/20/06 8:24 AM, "Possum Hunter" w= rote: >> > There is no way to get younger persons to listen to AM at present beca= use >> > the quality sucks and >=20 > Ha! Tell THAT to my Ex-GF's 12 year old Son who listens to 990 WDYZ All d= ay > long! >=20 > Kevin, >=20 > My daughter used to listen to KMIK 1580 all the time and at 16 she listen= s to > KFYI 550 at night to hear Coast to Coast. My other two adult kids listen = to > Coast to Coast. That tells me if the program is interesting to them, they= will > listen no matter what band it is on. >=20 > The 16 y/o does listen to CDs and MP3 though more than any radio. >=20 > Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Aug 20 11:13:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76221 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 18:13:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 18:13:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80409.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.64) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 18:13:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 96190 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2006 18:12:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20060820181203.96188.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.230.64.29] by web80409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:12:03 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:12:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=l6ul4DkgdZc8qrAB_2cU2FBhu7aYhJ4aSV-VgdJS784GlxH5eQ X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The 12-24 use of AM is less than a 5% share. In 12-44, it is less than a 9%= share.=20 =20=20=20 There are some listeners, but in general not enough for staitons to be vi= able in younger demos. There are no ad campaigns for 55+, with the example = being Los Angeles, the largest radio ad market in the US, where not one age= ncy campaign was placed against 55+ so far this year.=20 =20=20=20 AM, in a few more years, will not be viable even on the few biggter stati= ons. An example is=20 "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" wrote: On 8/20/06 8:24 AM, "Possum Hunter" w= rote: >> > There is no way to get younger persons to listen to AM at present beca= use >> > the quality sucks and >=20 > Ha! Tell THAT to my Ex-GF's 12 year old Son who listens to 990 WDYZ All d= ay > long! >=20 > Kevin, >=20 > My daughter used to listen to KMIK 1580 all the time and at 16 she listen= s to > KFYI 550 at night to hear Coast to Coast. My other two adult kids listen = to > Coast to Coast. That tells me if the program is interesting to them, they= will > listen no matter what band it is on. >=20 > The 16 y/o does listen to CDs and MP3 though more than any radio. >=20 > Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Aug 20 11:16:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88609 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 18:13:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 18:13:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80408.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.63) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 18:13:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 7607 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2006 18:11:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20060820181132.7598.qmail@web80408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.230.64.29] by web80408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:11:31 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:11:31 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=m-KawVM6I-wOwLUELoOLOUZV5nlqiHol6adjF5XLnocB-H7CRg X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The 12-24 use of AM is less than a 5% share. In 12-44, it is less than a 9%= share.=20 =20=20=20 There are some listeners, but in general not enough for staitons to be vi= able in younger demos. There are no ad campaigns for 55+, with the example = being Los Angeles, the largest radio ad market in the US, where not one age= ncy campaign was placed against 55+ so far this year.=20 "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" wrote: On 8/20/06 8:24 AM, "Possum Hunter" w= rote: >> > There is no way to get younger persons to listen to AM at present beca= use >> > the quality sucks and >=20 > Ha! Tell THAT to my Ex-GF's 12 year old Son who listens to 990 WDYZ All d= ay > long! >=20 > Kevin, >=20 > My daughter used to listen to KMIK 1580 all the time and at 16 she listen= s to > KFYI 550 at night to hear Coast to Coast. My other two adult kids listen = to > Coast to Coast. That tells me if the program is interesting to them, they= will > listen no matter what band it is on. >=20 > The 16 y/o does listen to CDs and MP3 though more than any radio. >=20 > Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Aug 20 11:17:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88315 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 18:12:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 18:12:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80407.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.62) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 18:12:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 10230 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2006 18:11:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20060820181157.10228.qmail@web80407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.230.64.29] by web80407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:11:57 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:11:57 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=x7G93rrs-fjg7M62vV9jrDfA1vjZrqiecnIICb3taCjU-vYkGA X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The 12-24 use of AM is less than a 5% share. In 12-44, it is less than a 9%= share.=20 =20=20=20 There are some listeners, but in general not enough for staitons to be vi= able in younger demos. There are no ad campaigns for 55+, with the example = being Los Angeles, the largest radio ad market in the US, where not one age= ncy campaign was placed against 55+ so far this year.=20 =20=20=20 AM, in a few more years, will not be viable even on the few biggter stati= ons.=20 "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" wrote: On 8/20/06 8:24 AM, "Possum Hunter" w= rote: >> > There is no way to get younger persons to listen to AM at present beca= use >> > the quality sucks and >=20 > Ha! Tell THAT to my Ex-GF's 12 year old Son who listens to 990 WDYZ All d= ay > long! >=20 > Kevin, >=20 > My daughter used to listen to KMIK 1580 all the time and at 16 she listen= s to > KFYI 550 at night to hear Coast to Coast. My other two adult kids listen = to > Coast to Coast. That tells me if the program is interesting to them, they= will > listen no matter what band it is on. >=20 > The 16 y/o does listen to CDs and MP3 though more than any radio. >=20 > Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Aug 20 11:17:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63907 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 18:13:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 18:13:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80404.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.59) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 18:13:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 98527 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2006 18:12:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20060820181206.98525.qmail@web80404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.230.64.29] by web80404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:12:06 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:12:06 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=e0txWpuShccZjsDUOMic31KBcTX8fd1xvXBrMc9G93jnigTEgw X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The 12-24 use of AM is less than a 5% share. In 12-44, it is less than a 9%= share.=20 =20=20=20 There are some listeners, but in general not enough for staitons to be vi= able in younger demos. There are no ad campaigns for 55+, with the example = being Los Angeles, the largest radio ad market in the US, where not one age= ncy campaign was placed against 55+ so far this year.=20 =20=20=20 AM, in a few more years, will not be viable even on the few biggter stati= ons. An example is Phoenix's KTAR, w "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" wrote: On 8/20/06 8:24 AM, "Possum Hunter" w= rote: >> > There is no way to get younger persons to listen to AM at present beca= use >> > the quality sucks and >=20 > Ha! Tell THAT to my Ex-GF's 12 year old Son who listens to 990 WDYZ All d= ay > long! >=20 > Kevin, >=20 > My daughter used to listen to KMIK 1580 all the time and at 16 she listen= s to > KFYI 550 at night to hear Coast to Coast. My other two adult kids listen = to > Coast to Coast. That tells me if the program is interesting to them, they= will > listen no matter what band it is on. >=20 > The 16 y/o does listen to CDs and MP3 though more than any radio. >=20 > Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Aug 20 11:19:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29344 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 18:11:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 18:11:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80410.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.65) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 18:11:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 71545 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2006 18:11:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20060820181156.71543.qmail@web80410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.230.64.29] by web80410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:11:56 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:11:56 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=D077bu7p43y78aGj42JxA6n6pRirOwtHP3pwD6HwkilLMHA9fw X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The 12-24 use of AM is less than a 5% share. In 12-44, it is less than a 9%= share.=20 =20=20=20 There are some listeners, but in general not enough for staitons to be vi= able in younger demos. There are no ad campaigns for 55+, with the example = being Los Angeles, the largest radio ad market in the US, where not one age= ncy campaign was placed against 55+ so far this year.=20 =20=20=20 AM, in a few more years, will not be viable even on the few biggter s "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" wrote: On 8/20/06 8:24 AM, "Possum Hunter" w= rote: >> > There is no way to get younger persons to listen to AM at present beca= use >> > the quality sucks and >=20 > Ha! Tell THAT to my Ex-GF's 12 year old Son who listens to 990 WDYZ All d= ay > long! >=20 > Kevin, >=20 > My daughter used to listen to KMIK 1580 all the time and at 16 she listen= s to > KFYI 550 at night to hear Coast to Coast. My other two adult kids listen = to > Coast to Coast. That tells me if the program is interesting to them, they= will > listen no matter what band it is on. >=20 > The 16 y/o does listen to CDs and MP3 though more than any radio. >=20 > Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Aug 20 11:20:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33227 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 18:13:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 18:13:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80405.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.60) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 18:13:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 43218 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2006 18:11:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20060820181158.43216.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.230.64.29] by web80405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:11:58 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:11:58 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=Y7VLyB5DnDAamxQ3meo_KxZCE6eQj2K151FYQCVR0guJDgVgAQ X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The 12-24 use of AM is less than a 5% share. In 12-44, it is less than a 9%= share.=20 =20=20=20 There are some listeners, but in general not enough for staitons to be vi= able in younger demos. There are no ad campaigns for 55+, with the example = being Los Angeles, the largest radio ad market in the US, where not one age= ncy campaign was placed against 55+ so far this year.=20 =20=20=20 AM, in a few more years,=20 "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" wrote: On 8/20/06 8:24 AM, "Possum Hunter" w= rote: >> > There is no way to get younger persons to listen to AM at present beca= use >> > the quality sucks and >=20 > Ha! Tell THAT to my Ex-GF's 12 year old Son who listens to 990 WDYZ All d= ay > long! >=20 > Kevin, >=20 > My daughter used to listen to KMIK 1580 all the time and at 16 she listen= s to > KFYI 550 at night to hear Coast to Coast. My other two adult kids listen = to > Coast to Coast. That tells me if the program is interesting to them, they= will > listen no matter what band it is on. >=20 > The 16 y/o does listen to CDs and MP3 though more than any radio. >=20 > Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Aug 20 11:58:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18184 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 18:48:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 18:48:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao04.cox.net) (68.230.241.35) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 18:48:35 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060820184542.DNPX6711.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@[192.168.0.2]> for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 14:45:42 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060820181157.10228.qmail@web80407.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060820181157.10228.qmail@web80407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <51EC313E-5465-4570-8934-5DEA770C60D3@cox.net> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:45:41 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=96N4PakQvg7eU79AXczxMkxGhDuJRSA7LnUcla66rtntpwNYVwJJSOhJF7js X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WHy is there so much of an echo here??? On Aug 20, 2006, at 11:11 AM, David Gleason wrote: > The 12-24 use of AM is less than a 5% share. In 12-44, it is less > than a 9% share. > > There are some listeners, but in general not enough for staitons to > be viable in younger demos. There are no ad campaigns for 55+, with > the example being Los Angeles, the largest radio ad market in the > US, where not one agency campaign was placed against 55+ so far > this year. > > AM, in a few more years, will not be viable even on the few biggter > stations. > > "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" wrote: > On 8/20/06 8:24 AM, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > > >> > There is no way to get younger persons to listen to AM at > present because > >> > the quality sucks and > > > > Ha! Tell THAT to my Ex-GF's 12 year old Son who listens to 990 > WDYZ All day > > long! > > > > Kevin, > > > > My daughter used to listen to KMIK 1580 all the time and at 16 > she listens to > > KFYI 550 at night to hear Coast to Coast. My other two adult kids > listen to > > Coast to Coast. That tells me if the program is interesting to > them, they will > > listen no matter what band it is on. > > > > The 16 y/o does listen to CDs and MP3 though more than any radio. > > > > Kevin > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Sun Aug 20 17:01:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71259 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 23:57:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 23:57:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flpvm23.prodigy.net) (207.115.20.53) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 23:57:53 -0000 X-ORBL: [70.239.89.60] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-70-239-89-60.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net [70.239.89.60]) by flpvm23.prodigy.net (8.13.7 out spool5000 dk/8.13.7) with SMTP id k7KNvjVc024246 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 16:57:45 -0700 Message-ID: <001f01c6c4b4$6b84f1f0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:57:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0633-4, 08/18/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.20.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Well, I bought an HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=Wl9CAezwWBgYUb74bZab91zRkKa5aEvsWxaDl5BCJtzCXAU X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > and you have to make this advertisement on the AM stereo forum > For the last 7 or 8 years many of us have used this forum to debate the issues of AM-IBOC vs C-Quam AM Stereo. There have been some heated debates over the years. As a long-time supporter of AM Stereo, I thought my post was relevant. Since you are the self-appointed topic police of the AM Stereo Forum, how if YOUR post relevant? You guys go back to politics and I'll find somewhere else to discuss AM Stereo. -Jim- From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 20:06:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25968 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2006 03:06:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2006 03:06:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.160) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2006 03:06:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 53715 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Aug 2006 03:06:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20060821030609.53713.qmail@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.240.134.225] by web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:06:09 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:06:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=DzEhO5NA65jJ-gkvtPmIwf0PIPsDFMc_xXGPb6BnUFyRzvB3hHbD8D0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I disagree about how old AM is skewing - at least here in the Great Lakes region, where the AM'ers go down to their 30's (that listen to the RW talk radio.) In addition, AM740 Toronto is all based on a 50+ audience as is CKWW Windsor, and with all the Radio Disneys, most are on AM, which dramatically helps get the minivan radios tuned to AM, but not many 12 year olds keep track in their Arbitron diaries, although my 12 year old did have Radio Ditzy 4 hrs/day in her survey diary. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 21:19:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47475 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2006 04:15:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2006 04:15:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.22) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2006 04:15:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2006 04:15:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2006 04:15:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 04:15:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060821030609.53713.qmail@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.3.103 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=GNR5xaGaL0T_nyjXXiiDruNRjD8W9oa1K0Cela2ID8iuc0yL X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie I hhate marketing consultants, and telling stations what=20 the "demographics" are and what they should be playing........=20 Nevermind they don't say anything more specific than that the=20 demographics are nationwide....perhaps...... And anyone who knows about=20 different places KNOW that different places have different tastes. And=20 kids aren't usially surveyed (though some are). Much of it is pure hokum, and oftentimes a sure bet the stationn will=20 miss its own local market if they do listen to the consultants.... And so radio goes down the tubes! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From radio603@malmo2.net Mon Aug 21 03:07:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio603@malmo2.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83416 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2006 10:06:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2006 10:06:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.bredband2.net) (82.209.166.4) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2006 10:06:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 32183 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2006 10:00:59 -0000 Received: from mkb-145-32-209-82.3.cust.bredband2.com (HELO malmoe) ([82.209.145.32]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.bredband2.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 21 Aug 2006 10:00:59 -0000 Message-ID: <010d01c6c509$8fc30ca0$2091d152@malmoe> To: References: <20060820181211.71237.qmail@web80403.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:00:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 82.209.166.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Roy" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=195882801; y=Abs8KOGif8e04lRFcOa6qiZRyw5AKmz9JJ3nvk0zCRaHT2o X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roy re; most teenagers listen to net radio here in Scandinavia. We got public radio of 4 channels and it's still popular. More than 50% prefer public radio, Roy www.radio603.info.se ----- Original Message ----- From: David Gleason To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 8:12 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers The 12-24 use of AM is less than a 5% share. In 12-44, it is less than a 9% share. There are some listeners, but in general not enough for staitons to be viable in younger demos. There are no ad campaigns for 55+, with the example being Los Angeles, the largest radio ad market in the US, where not one agency campaign was placed against 55+ so far this year. AM, in a few more years, will not be viable even on the few biggter stations. An example is Phoenix's KTAR, which is going to "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" wrote: On 8/20/06 8:24 AM, "Possum Hunter" wrote: >> > There is no way to get younger persons to listen to AM at present because >> > the quality sucks and > > Ha! Tell THAT to my Ex-GF's 12 year old Son who listens to 990 WDYZ All day > long! > > Kevin, > > My daughter used to listen to KMIK 1580 all the time and at 16 she listens to > KFYI 550 at night to hear Coast to Coast. My other two adult kids listen to > Coast to Coast. That tells me if the program is interesting to them, they will > listen no matter what band it is on. > > The 16 y/o does listen to CDs and MP3 though more than any radio. > > Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.3/423 - Release Date: 2006-08-18 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 07:43:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4487 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2006 14:41:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2006 14:41:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.162) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2006 14:41:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 67056 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Aug 2006 14:41:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20060821144144.67054.qmail@web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 07:41:44 PDT Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 07:41:44 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: Well, I bought an HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=yjKQYhBsBwcz6-VganLL2trPzTx-SxT8jNMCqA0hk8BYUgwjgAXGKHc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Jim, thanks for the info about IBOC - HD radio as it applies to AM radio. You've confirmed what has been found in the Detroit area as well - the HD signal is very limited in range, and in order to get to the 'second step' and get a stereo HD signal on AM, you have to be within 20 miles of the tower! This is crap, as I could listen to WSM from Nashville in CQuam stereo on Saturday nights for the Grand Ole Opry while two states away! This IS the appropriate place to discuss HD/IBOC vs CQuam. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Aug 21 17:39:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35124 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2006 00:39:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2006 00:39:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s36.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.172) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2006 00:39:09 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.75]) by bay0-omc2-s36.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:38:05 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:38:04 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.47 by BAY106-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 00:38:00 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 00:38:00 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2006 00:38:04.0870 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B0C7E60:01C6C583] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.172 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Well, I bought an HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=IwDzPUnY-u9fmzz4Yj-H_LtSk0P-PRtJgUOetM_uj_h_EQp6HaZI_z_7shU X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Possum Hunter wrote: "Gee, for just a little more money than you wasted for those two nearly useless radios, you could have had a Fanfare FTA-100 and a Alpha-Delta DX-SWL Super Sloper antenna." Yeah, but I understand the "hd" radios make better door-stops than the Fanfare FTA 100 ! :) Donn, St. Petersburg,FL -----Original Message----- From: Possum Hunter Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 8:34 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Well, I bought an HD Radio Jim Burgan wrote: >I purchased my second HD Radio today. Gee, for just a little more money than you wasted for those two nearly useless radios, you could have had a Fanfare FTA-100 and a Alpha-Delta DX-SWL Super Sloper antenna. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Aug 21 18:41:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73772 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2006 01:38:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2006 01:38:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2006 01:38:39 -0000 Received: from fl-71-51-75-201.dhcp.embarqhsd.net ([71.51.75.201] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GFLAB-0003FW-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:34:43 -0400 Message-ID: <057e01c6c58b$235002d0$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:34:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Well, I bought an HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=FxTxXPvNLazvsmAnlocuXlG7oq8aYAgbk79nvRFz_ZnvHimyVNIPWoVqXvmtdg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 As poor as HD-Radio performs, I look for HD-Radio to have the same fate as Dolby FM broadcasts very soon. It is time the FCC and NAB gave up on HD-Radio and make DAB happen in the United States. But then, why would I want to spend all of that money for a Digital receiver to only get the same old canned crap I can hear on my FM radio? At least I can get a couple of good Smooth Jazz stations on FM and WTKS "Real Music Weekends" are fun to listen to. On AM, I am lucky enough to have WVLG and ZNS-1 Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" To: Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 8:38 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Well, I bought an HD Radio > Possum Hunter wrote: > > "Gee, for just a little more money than you wasted for those two nearly > useless radios, you could have had a Fanfare FTA-100 and a Alpha-Delta > DX-SWL Super Sloper antenna." > > Yeah, but I understand the "hd" radios make better door-stops than the > Fanfare FTA 100 ! :) > > Donn, > St. Petersburg,FL > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Possum Hunter > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 8:34 AM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Well, I bought an HD Radio > > Jim Burgan wrote: >>I purchased my second HD Radio today. > > Gee, for just a little more money than you wasted for those two nearly > useless radios, you could have had a Fanfare FTA-100 and a Alpha-Delta > DX-SWL Super Sloper antenna. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 23:30:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98793 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2006 06:30:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2006 06:30:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.176) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2006 06:30:28 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n9.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2006 06:29:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2006 06:29:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2006 06:29:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:29:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.70 From: "jotape1960" Subject: AM IBOC the birth of a dead invention or How to kill the AM using the AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=RFPZbVsOQKdYfz5KQ6ZvQ-YHswJZH0bnbwv78QDGTBw6MRHHyw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI AM STEREO FANS!!!!!!! I will think aloud. Strictly talking, is often good to look to another place when we're=20 tired and stressed. Sometimes we look inside our problems and we fill ourselves with=20 black clouds. Then is very good to remember the history: Do you remember the very=20 good Betamax system? Do you remember the incredible sound from the SQ=20 Matrix Quadraphonic records? Do you remember the "spectacular" sound=20 from Dolby NR cassette tapes? Do you remember the outstanding effect=20 of the 3D TV? Do you remember the "perfect" sound from Digital=20 MiniDiscs? Someday our grandchildren will ask us: "Do you remember the AM IBOC?" Why Am I so pessimist? I love digital audio. I work with it ev'ry day, it's my job! But, it=20 works so fine in my studio, where all (or almost all) are under total=20 control (PCs, mixing consoles, mikes, etc. all connected each other=20 with physical well-grounded cables). But, if you try to put digital audio into an hostile and agressive=20 media (like our atmosphere)... mmm... mmm... I think IT'S A VERY BAD=20 AND DEAD IDEA! Maybe we have to learn from the old, well-known and not always well- evaluated radio hams. How a radio ham get to carry a message, to a far, far place, through=20 an hostile and agressive media? Simple: the simplest is always the best, in other words: SINGLE SIDE=20 BAND! The AM broadcasters have one carrier and two sidebands. I think is=20 enough to get it. Of course, if we get to change some rules (as the=20 bandwidth, carrier/sidebands relation, night power, ISB AM Stereo,=20 etc.) But, Why to spend time and money to implement AM Stereo if most AM=20 stations only transmit voice conversation and/or sports? Aren't the AM programmers the principal enemies of the AM radio? I=20 think, YES! Why to spend time and money to improve our job if the AM tuner makers=20 made very bad sound tuners and nobody does something about it? LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG ISB AM STEREO!!!!!!! GOD bless you all!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From amdavid@pacbell.net Tue Aug 22 08:45:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27241 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2006 15:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2006 15:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80411.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.66) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2006 15:29:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 7923 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2006 15:29:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20060822152946.7921.qmail@web80411.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.26.186.248] by web80411.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:29:46 PDT Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:29:46 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060821030609.53713.qmail@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=KeDBRzKHAf3xRJQ8JhD8DXSbTRQJbqovVIHGYk26Z_QmsY2JzQ X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is no market that deviates significantly. 12-24 usage of AM is around= 6 shares out of 100. 12-44 is under 10 shares, with it being around 9 shar= es in the top markets. The problem is that 55+ is basically unsalable in th= e US, and so are teens. Most AM listening is over 55 now.=20 "John P." wrote: I disagree about how o= ld AM is skewing - at least here in the Great Lakes region, where the AM'ers go down to their 30's (that listen to the RW talk radio.) In addition, AM740 Toronto is all based on a 50+ audience as is CKWW Windso= r, and with all the Radio Disneys, most are on AM, which dramatically helps ge= t the minivan radios tuned to AM, but not many 12 year olds keep track in the= ir Arbitron diaries, although my 12 year old did have Radio Ditzy 4 hrs/day in= her survey diary. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Tue Aug 22 09:01:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53835 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2006 16:00:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2006 16:00:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80404.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.59) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2006 16:00:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 61450 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2006 16:00:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20060822160011.61448.qmail@web80404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.26.186.248] by web80404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:00:10 PDT Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:00:10 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=ORL0q5AToJiiJzmGE6wTRbIZXgS0Vbh1699U6sIzV3uuh19Bjw X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All persons 12 or over are surveyed in proportion to their percentage of the total population. So, if they are 12 or over, kids ARE surveyed. And the usage of AM radio, which is all we are talking bout here, is pretty consistent in every rated market in the US. The only differences are in markets with absolutely terrible AM facilities, like Allentown-Bethlehem, for example, where AM usage is even lower since the signals are so bad. All cities have "demographics" as all that term means is the composition of the populaiton. What did you think that meant? Obviously, nobody will do an urban format in Fargo if they look at the demographic composition of the market and see it is less than 1% Black. That is the usage of demos in radio: recognizing how the total population is broken down by age, sex, ethnicity, income levels, even lifestyle groups. Tastes vary in proportion to the segment (demographics) of a market a particular format or type of music appeals to. In the larger markets, stations do their own, proprietary, research to find out the tastes for individual formats, songs, programs, etc. Amy Mousie wrote: I hhate marketing consultants, and telling stations what the "demographics" are and what they should be playing........ Nevermind they don't say anything more specific than that the demographics are nationwide....perhaps...... And anyone who knows about different places KNOW that different places have different tastes. And kids aren't usially surveyed (though some are). Much of it is pure hokum, and oftentimes a sure bet the stationn will miss its own local market if they do listen to the consultants.... And so radio goes down the tubes! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Tue Aug 22 09:09:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37183 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2006 16:07:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2006 16:07:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80403.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.58) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2006 16:07:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 24753 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2006 16:07:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20060822160733.24751.qmail@web80403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.26.186.248] by web80403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:07:33 PDT Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:07:33 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060821144144.67054.qmail@web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Well, I bought an HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=5oRwLAgvF_bkeqNSTatiZvbTmCadevD4LRCHCS3LqUs79TvIXQ X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 95% of FM listening is in the 64 dbu contour. THe HD signal is robust inside this contour. On AM, it depends on the market. In LA, you need 12 mv/m or better to overcome local noise (or cochannel interference at night). HD covers better than the usable AM analog signal in LA, so it expands coverage in this kind of market. In smaller cities, with less manmade noise, a lesser AM signal will suffice... but in almost no metro is less than a 5 to 6 mv/m signal enough to generate measurable listening. In most of these cases, the HD signal is also usable. Only in fringe, where no listening is taking place, is the HD lost. "John P." wrote: Jim, thanks for the info about IBOC - HD radio as it applies to AM radio. You've confirmed what has been found in the Detroit area as well - the HD signal is very limited in range, and in order to get to the 'second step' and get a stereo HD signal on AM, you have to be within 20 miles of the tower! This is crap, as I could listen to WSM from Nashville in CQuam stereo on Saturday nights for the Grand Ole Opry while two states away! This IS the appropriate place to discuss HD/IBOC vs CQuam. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 10:25:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2917 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2006 17:24:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2006 17:24:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52208.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.131) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2006 17:24:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 69540 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2006 17:23:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20060822172355.69538.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web52208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:23:55 PDT Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:23:55 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060822160733.24751.qmail@web80403.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Well, I bought an HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=-fq6cl8p3liONlXQ-TtVNt3xWcoZGzmOGC5Aa8prtEw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- David Gleason wrote: > 95% of FM listening is in the 64 dbu contour. THe HD > signal is robust inside this contour. All the REAL engineers with HD say for coverage to COME CLOSE to analog, HD power will have to double. > On AM, it depends on the market. In LA, you need > 12 mv/m or better to overcome local noise (or > cochannel interference at night). HD covers better > than the usable AM analog signal in LA, so it > expands coverage in this kind of market. From the REAL engineers, HD does NOT cover better than the analog. WCOS 1400 covers about to the 10 mv/m and after that it's just plain shaky. There are NO adjacents in the daytime to cause any problem. Someone I know has gone through 3 or 4 radios. Even in 15 to 20 mv/m signals the slightest crunch from a thunderstorm or some faint noise causes it to fall out. He also went through multiple Yamaha receivers as did someone else. The BA works OK, but only gets HD on FM with a VERY large FM antenna on the roof. He was certainly NOT amused. > In smaller cities, with less manmade noise, a > lesser AM signal will suffice... but in almost no > metro is less than a 5 to 6 mv/m signal enough to > generate measurable listening. In most of these > cases, the HD signal is also usable. Only in fringe, > where no listening is taking place, is the HD lost. See above. I think that the problem with needing tons of signal is also related to very poor receiver design. In the digital conference, the "Ibiquity Guy" whined about that. We all know HERE how sorry AM sections have gotten over time. But just as quietly, the FM sections of receivers and tuners and radios have gotten worse. That's where PART of the problem is. The other part is, that, even though HD is very similar to DRM, it's not nearly as robust when it comes to interference, and from what I've read DRM is only fair at best in that respect. But after all it IS digital..... ]:> Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 11:31:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48800 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2006 18:26:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2006 18:26:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2006 18:26:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 71438 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Aug 2006 18:23:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20060824182356.71436.qmail@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:23:56 PDT Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:23:56 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: What a Phone Call Today ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=H3xiM9XOElkQ0AKPbrllV5Flco7vKcH0GT5eFAVktGiHJeySSYtio3I X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I guess more people read the FCC ECFS submissions than I thought - especially regarding digital broadcasting on AM; anyhow, imagine my shock in answering the phone today and the caller saying "Hello, this is Leonard Kahn" - zowies! Leonard had some very interesting observations, and despite his advanced age, still has the passion that many of us share regarding being good stewards of the AM band. To our friends in MIAMI - Leonard indicated that there is a station in Ft. Lauterdale with his CAM-D system that just went on air, and coverage has extended into Miami and Miami Beach with their new system. Can anybody down there pick them up? Leonard also confirmed that you CAN use your old Sony SRF-A100 and the like to decode the CAM-D (which he pronounces almost like "candy") on the new stations, but indicated that you'll want one of his new radios to get the digital data. Very interesting 20-minute phonecall to say the least. BTW, if you'd like CAM-D on your local station, he's interested in installing it for you! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Thu Aug 24 14:31:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32740 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2006 21:30:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2006 21:30:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.173) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2006 21:30:43 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.162.74]) by bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:30:22 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:30:22 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.40.196.13 by BAY108-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:30:17 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 17:30:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 Disposition-Notification-To: "AM Stereo Nut :\)" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2006 21:30:22.0192 (UTC) FILETIME=[81357700:01C6C7C4] Return-Path: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "AM Stereo Nut :\)" Subject: Looking for AM Stereo Tuner and Walkman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=Vvhl9xJ_dbLWFbGIsLDqGHGSrDg8fRQSz9uXc9Zj62jD X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd looking for a 1RU Tall AM Stereo (C-QuAM) Tuner. Needs to cover to 1700kHz. I'm also looking for a AMS Walkman (C-QuAM) that covers to 1700kHz Can Be digital tuning or analog as i have no preference. Just needs to have decent sensitivity, selectivity, and be AMAX Certified. Price is a concern, so the FTA-100 is out of the question. I'd like to build a list of tuners that meet these spec's so i can keep an eye out at local flea markets and/or ebay for them. I have got my hands on a Belar LP-1a Loop(free if you can beleive it :), Yes the one with a built in preamp, and i'd like to tower mount it with a rotor and get a decent tuner. ------------------------------------------------ Thank You, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Fri Aug 25 10:52:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87767 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2006 17:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2006 17:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s32.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.232) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2006 17:48:22 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.162.74]) by bay0-omc3-s32.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 25 Aug 2006 10:47:18 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 10:47:18 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.40.196.13 by BAY108-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 17:47:15 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:47:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 Disposition-Notification-To: "AM Stereo Nut :\)" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2006 17:47:18.0814 (UTC) FILETIME=[8281CBE0:01C6C86E] Return-Path: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "AM Stereo Nut :\)" Subject: 100mW C-QuAM Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=CfN_IrhmjH-pmKJ_U307HWzQLXaSrWCXVsj8devQBSXU X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Chris is making another run of these for those interested. They can be found here..... http://cgi.ebay.com/Portable-AM-Stereo-CQUAM-transmitter-100mw-New_W0QQitemZ320021005921QQihZ011QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ------------------------------------------------ Thank You, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree From amdavid@pacbell.net Sat Aug 26 10:13:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81907 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2006 17:13:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2006 17:13:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80407.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.62) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2006 17:13:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 47352 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Aug 2006 17:13:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20060826171311.47350.qmail@web80407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.230.83.249] by web80407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:13:11 PDT Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:13:11 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060824182356.71436.qmail@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a Phone Call Today ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=IwPPIvlDa742tSnAvNu2cEZuoLtldirDOIUTIwzCP_yjy_GK5A X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That is like asing if you want a flat tire installed on your car... "John P." wrote: Very interesting 20-minute phonecall to say the least. BTW, if you'd like CAM-D on your local station, he's interested in installing it for you! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Aug 26 10:25:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54662 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2006 17:25:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2006 17:25:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao12.cox.net) (68.230.241.27) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2006 17:25:01 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao12.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060826172408.FIAG29796.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 13:24:08 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id EhQ81V00D2DrW980000000 Sat, 26 Aug 2006 13:24:09 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060826171311.47350.qmail@web80407.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060826171311.47350.qmail@web80407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:24:07 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a Phone Call Today ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=UJU1DbuBgm1XFaAG0sJQxz2UONI_EUhEqbBKvxOsMyL4UY4VTo-ylCKXaSrI X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can get a flat tire installed?!!!?!! On Aug 26, 2006, at 10:13 AM, David Gleason wrote: > That is like asing if you want a flat tire installed on your car... > > "John P." wrote: Very interesting 20- > minute phonecall to say the least. BTW, if you'd like > CAM-D on your local station, he's interested in installing it for you! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Sat Aug 26 13:12:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48569 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2006 20:12:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2006 20:12:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80402.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.57) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2006 20:12:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 21484 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Aug 2006 20:12:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20060826201251.21482.qmail@web80402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.230.83.249] by web80402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 13:12:51 PDT Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 13:12:51 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a Phone Call Today ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=7pjlBz7yLFQUaFBY3kFlwviFYFuoLrCE_jYvwLvhXCKWjLaoQw X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sure. I kno many places that will take off your good tire and install an old bald flat if you ask them The question, just like with Cam-D, is, "Why?" Richard Wagoner wrote: I can get a flat tire installed?!!!?!! On Aug 26, 2006, at 10:13 AM, David Gleason wrote: > That is like asing if you want a flat tire installed on your car... > > "John P." wrote: Very interesting 20- > minute phonecall to say the least. BTW, if you'd like > CAM-D on your local station, he's interested in installing it for you! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@qwest.net Sat Aug 26 13:28:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@qwest.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15762 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2006 20:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2006 20:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net) (63.231.195.112) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2006 20:27:12 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-06.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-06.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.6]) by mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id 7ADF21A99CD for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 20:26:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-174-223.phnx.qwest.net (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (130.13.174.223) by mpls-pop-06.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 26 Aug 2006 20:26:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 13:26:30 -0700 Message-ID: To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 In-Reply-To: <20060826201251.21482.qmail@web80402.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 63.231.195.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a Phone Call Today ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=264393189; y=ieMmuD3b54DCK9P-pZoheQb2-PFetPQPGAH9EAYbCy3wCc6KNw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 8/26/06 1:12 PM, "David Gleason" wrote: >=20 > The question, just like with Cam-D, is, "Why?" >=20 > That=B9s my question about IBOC. Digital needs a band to itself. >=20 > Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Aug 26 17:05:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+wddE+67+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26920 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2006 00:05:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2006 00:05:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2006 00:05:20 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.217]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 109886535 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 19:05:18 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <01bc01c6c96d$59738900$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <006b01c6c44d$c10f9e70$6605a8c0@PossumHunter> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 18:43:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 12, in=11, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.217 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question about Static on AM--Question for Engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=uTNA-9Y_wxkLLs57rQwh8a3PHvwy3DjnMTb6hbw9UGQGdhURt15N X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > > Would it be possible to add a third channel to AM's signal so that Quad > > sound or 5.1 could be encoded within the same bandwidth making fidelity > > geeks come flocking back to AM radio? > > Matrix Quad will pass through Motorola C-QUAM AM Stereo. I suppose you could do a Motorola compatible version of CAM-D and use the digital for surround sound instead. I understand that the digital surround info can be done in as little as 5kb/s, so you wouldn't be sacrificing much at the top end. > > I know there are a lot of questions in here, but I'm curious if AM radio > > has a future that includes a return to its musical roots (I would really > > like to see free format AM radio and experimentation that harkens to the > > late 60's-early 70's FM--very few ads, too)? That would probably sell a > > lot of the new receivers! > > Yes AM's worst enemies are the Program Directors and Programming > consultants! Here in East Central Florida, we are lucky to have WVLG with a > "Live-N-Local" Nostalgia music format with lots of local events and > information. Don't forget our own Bill Norman is bucking the trend and doing so quite well. Scott Todd From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Aug 26 17:05:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+wddE+67+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11544 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2006 00:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2006 00:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2006 00:05:23 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.217]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 109886547 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 19:05:21 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <01bd01c6c96d$5b837d40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 18:47:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 12, in=12, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.217 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM IBOC the birth of a dead invention or How to kill the AM using the AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=heeIAqccTNmupWNFiAw91Qn_m4m7Nc9FUeIhrXRaMJ49nqW2HPPg X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude ISB was good; Harris was better. Both are moot as about the only stuff you'll find is C-QUAM. Either we revive that or we'll be wasting our time. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" Why to spend time and money to improve our job if the AM tuner makers made very bad sound tuners and nobody does something about it? LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG ISB AM STEREO!!!!!!! From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Aug 26 17:05:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+wddE+67+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23774 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2006 00:05:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2006 00:05:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2006 00:05:11 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.217]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 109886525 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 19:05:09 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <01bb01c6c96d$5457db60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060824182356.71436.qmail@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 18:37:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 4, First 12, in=10, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.217 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a Phone Call Today ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=oLSjdRgMAGww1nrsZclTOI4kgZ472bG6YI6Nk6F_dfnIbhBQg5Hi X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Problem is he's about the only one who knows anything about it. Once ol' Lenny croaks who else knows enough about it to fix it when it needs repair? Besides, I think he'd have been better off to use the digital add-on signal for surround sound rather than what amounts to his own brand of SBR. Looks like we might be getting a CAM-D station close enough to where I live so it'll be fun to use my SRF-A100 in the other mode to see how it sounds. The downside is it'll be an asian formatted station. I do think it's cool you got to talk to him, though. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." > > Very interesting 20-minute phonecall to say the least. BTW, if you'd like > CAM-D on your local station, he's interested in installing it for you! From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Aug 26 17:06:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+wddE+67+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55421 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2006 00:05:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2006 00:05:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2006 00:05:26 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.217]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 109886555 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 19:05:24 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <01be01c6c96d$5d365d60$d503fea9@stodd> To: Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 18:51:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 12, in=13, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.217 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: a trip to Waterloo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=RjXGOp8UYzPLMIyawashVg3V_-hdDL6AvmUpjuL1T9v2znSI95om X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some news from the AM stereo front in MN and IA- WCTS has turned off their pilot tone and is pure mono now. I did take a trip to Waterloo, IA about a week ago and found that KWLO 1330 is still stereo, but their equipment is obviously ailing. There was a fair amount of distortion in the right channel on several songs, and on a few of them heavy bass notes would drop the receiver back to mono for half a second. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Aug 26 18:02:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89457 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2006 01:02:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2006 01:02:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.191) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2006 01:02:34 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n24.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2006 01:02:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2006 01:02:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2006 01:02:24 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 01:02:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.92.190.17 From: "Dave" Subject: Mix Utah 930 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=SQz4L_PGuF4GG2FCWVNA_D-EDbBmmFPC_RxEs7M9udqLuyARyg X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Nice to hear a frequent am stereo mention on this station. Anyone=20 receiving it via AM ? http://www.mixutah.com/ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Aug 26 22:54:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25524 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2006 05:46:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2006 05:46:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.127) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2006 05:46:12 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2006 05:40:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2006 05:40:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2006 05:40:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 05:40:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.127 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.121 From: "jotape1960" Subject: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=SumjEJJbUKUh7y_SrKrv9Lh_nD5iiALh2aHbDoWCrm4asTPK-w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI A.M. STEREO FANS!!!!!!! I want to ask something to anybody who wants to think about it. I=20 know it's a very obvious question: WHICH WAS(were) THE PRINCIPAL REASON(s) BECAUSE AM STEREO (C-QUAM or=20 other) DIDN'T BECOME POPULAR IN ALL OVER THE WORLD (out of USA)? Maybe there would be some possibilities: 1) So expensive. 2) A system that doesn't work so good, stable, steady and spectacular=20 (at least, something similar to FM). 3) A very bad "marketing" strategy. 4) There were no enough AM Stereo tuners. 5) The listeners didn't want to be fooled again. 6) The listeners didn't get an "spectacular" new sound. 7) Some radio stations told they worked on Stereo but it was a lie. 8) Some radio stations actually worked on Stereo but with the wrong=20 format (enough voice talking, etc). 9) The CD, DAT, MD, PC and MP3 pendrive age kill the radio. 10) The AM broadcasters thought the AM band was dead. Other suggestions or comments? So, I wonder if the AM broadcasters learned the lesson. There is no a technical reason to analog AM sounds so bad. There is=20 no psychologic reasons to think the listeners don't love the AM=20 radios. So, Where is the problem with the AM band? Will IBOC be other calamity of the AM history? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Aug 27 09:58:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73665 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2006 16:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2006 16:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s34.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.234) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2006 16:57:09 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.22]) by bay0-omc3-s34.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 27 Aug 2006 09:45:14 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 09:45:14 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 16:45:13 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 16:45:13 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2006 16:45:14.0667 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B918FB0:01C6C9F8] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: re: An Obvious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=dqDBkGrx-pfI31XMQ-gJu3JmnH3qYF5v1sFqFrJz5sHB6BLVSZZJnEYgd-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Hola Juan, C-Quam am stereo was (and still is to a bigger extent) big in Canada as well as the United States. (Ask Johnny of Toledo about CFCO AM-Stereo0 630). The first reason you list for the decline of C-Quam am stereo could certainly apply to IBOC as well, many people are wondering if "hd" (does not stand for high definition) is going to survive; I think it has a about a 50/50 chance of survival, if IBOC doesn't survive then it's back to the drawing board, but better programming across both bands (medium wave and fm) as well as better manufactured receivers may be the real answer to stop the decline of terrestrial radio. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan from Chile, wrote in reference to the decline of C-Quam am stereo: Maybe there would be some possibilities: 1) So expensive. 2) A system that doesn't work so good, stable, steady and spectacular (at least, something similar to FM). 3) A very bad "marketing" strategy. 4) There were no enough AM Stereo tuners. 5) The listeners didn't want to be fooled again. 6) The listeners didn't get an "spectacular" new sound Donn, St Petersburg,Florida From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Aug 27 12:20:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12293 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2006 19:20:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2006 19:20:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2006 19:20:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2006 19:17:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2006 19:17:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 19:17:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.37.241 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: An Obvious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=g2H_1vomhydP5iBZMIv5T9_QKf4SA9BL2kon9iLWihDXZy6N X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman"=20 wrote: > > C-Quam am stereo was (and still is to a bigger extent) big in Canada=20 as well=20 > as the United States. Even bigger still, Japan. A big irony is that proportionately speaking, outside of the US, Mexico=20 and Australia, there is a greater proportion of broadcasters in stereo=20 in many AM stereo countries than those that can receive AM stereo. This=20 is an unusual situation, given that places like Hong Kong, where three=20 of the 5 state-run AM stations are AM stereo, but I'm unaware if there=20 ever has been any real selection of AM stereo receivers in the forme3r=20 British colony. In Japan, 12-18 of the country's 46 AM broadcasters=20 (there are about 120 transmitters in use, total) manage to cover the=20 entire country, and is the only significant market in the world where=20 you can still find AM stereo receivers in stores. AM stereo had every reason to be successful in the US, but between=20 listener awareness and litigation, it was an utter disaster. By=20 comparison, AMS was a resounding success in Canada, Australia and=20 Japan. Sadly, of these, Australia has been the fastest to abandon AMS.=20 :( There are still a number of countries with legal broadcasters still=20 using AM stereo- Off the top of my head, I can say AMS is still being=20 broadcast in: Australia (not many left), Japan (thriving!), Hong Kong,=20 Taiwan, S. Korea, Philipines, Indonesia, Thailand (quite a few,=20 actually), South Africa, Lesotho, Swaziland (the sole state broadcaster=20 is AMS), France (most powerful AMS station in the world, at 300kW),=20 Italy, Brazil, Venezuela, Panama, Costa Rica, Mexico, US and Canada. I=20 may have forgotten others. Nations that used to have AMS were New=20 Zealand and the Bahamas. This is not counting any unlicensed=20 broadcasters. AMS is still alive, but in a few coubntries, the situation looks bleak,=20 such as in the US and Australia. From where I am, located right in the=20 center of the US Pacific coast, I can only receive two stereo C-QUAM=20 stations and another 5 or 6 pilot-only stations. The irony is, both=20 full-stereo outlets are Canadian- CKBD 600 AM of Vancouver, BC (not=20 very strong, and sometimes gets overpowered by San Diago, California's=20 KOGO, which is also on 600) and CKMX 1060 AM of Calgary, Alberta=20 (strong most nights, though not the strongest it could be, but at 800=20 miles, not bad). Despite a growing number of music stations (mostly=20 country, oldies, jazz/standards, mexican/ethnic, but there are at least=20 3 freeform/al;ternative stations I can get) in the last couple years on=20 AM, there is very little AMS out here- And what there is is blocked by=20 much more powerful regional stations (930, for example) or by locals.=20 It's a very sad state when you can say the one AMS station you can=20 count on is not even American, and it plays country..... At least I'm=20 inn a location where 1060 isn't overpowered by anything local to me. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sun Aug 27 14:09:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15859 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2006 21:09:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2006 21:09:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.204) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2006 21:09:43 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n13.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2006 21:08:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2006 21:08:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2006 21:08:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 21:08:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.75.117.234 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=5grRAu2ZRVFu_VkwwiLUsIaP3Gw1-8pusp9xD57CJ6g X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi to all from the other side of Atlantic...=20 I always watching the AMstereo Forum everyday the last 3 years...=20 As i'm a chief engineer of one of the major stations here at Athens=20 Greece (yes GREECE europe!) and been working on radio for more than=20 25 years (first as a pirate at either MW & FM building and running my=20 own stations, and later as a pro engineer on news FM station) I may=20 have something to say about radio this days...=20 Well, radio follows the same route all around the globe! What is=20 going on there (poor programming, to much radio stations all look the=20 same at listeners ears, no more real radio people behind the mics,=20 etc) is the reason for any noticeable decrease of interest to radio=20 from listeners... Jukebox stations are the easy and most economical=20 solution for the radio broadcasting management. By relaying a bunch=20 of stations for newscasting the management have centralized the=20 information to only the major news... So local news are mostly gone=20 out of radio. But who want's a radio that is not giving=20 a "neighbourhood" feeling, that you can hear whats going on inside=20 your city, town or even small village near you! Who wants a radio=20 station that play all day long EXACTLY the same tunes as all the=20 others on either FM & AM, with a small "phase delay"on the playlist?=20 Overcompressed audio chains with peak modulation limits been now the=20 standard level due to Bob Orbans boxes... making listeners beleive=20 that iPods MP3s are the real audio quality because even radio sound=20 worst than them! See very few young people have now listen vinyl=20 discs from Hi End equipments to knowing what it should sound! I think it was in the late 70s when a song said "Video killed all the=20 radio stars"... No it wasn't TV (Video media whatsoever...)! It was=20 radio managers that killed the radio star (not the stars but radio=20 itself)!=20 About the AM band (MW) is worse here on the other coast of Atlantic!=20 You see only lately there are private broadcasters using AM legally=20 at Europe, and not at all EU countries yet! The AM band is mostly=20 occupied by european nations broadcasting companies having from 3 to=20 20 stations each, running 50-500KW day & night! covering almost all=20 European continent! And programming of them is 'nationality'=20 dependable ;) Now about AM stereo got to say that either ISB Kahn or CQUAM Motorola=20 are viable even today... I've worked with them lately and got to say=20 I was amazed! Have installed lately an unlicenced (yet) AM STEREO=20 station here at Athens GREECE for some guys interested on this...=20 They have bring a bunch of AMAX CQUAM receivers also...=20 The system delivers what it was made for! Stereo sound with a quality=20 that it's comparable to the older good (not so heavy compressed) FM=20 stereo sound that turned (at that time) ALL the listeners to it,=20 living the AMers to follow the route of Dinosaurous kind...=20 What was wrong with the AM STEREO? Well my opinion is somehow=20 diferrent from all the others here!=20 It wasn't the systems and the war between them...=20 It wasn't the programming either, as at the time of introduction of=20 it, there was a real good programming at most stations there (and at=20 Europe also)!=20 It wasn't also the lack of AM stereo capable tuners, etc. as you can=20 find them even today as brand new is you search for!=20 It wasn't the bad marketing (if there was one) from broadcasters...=20 The FM stereo didn't really needed, so why AM should?=20 Neither all the other things you've mentioned...=20 I was for AM stereo systems debate from 1978 at the Popular=20 Electronics Magazine, and waited to see it working also here at=20 Europe after 3-7 years as was the case with FM stereo... Never=20 happened! It was in my opinion the lack of the use of it Globally... It might=20 sound a bit stupid to some folks, but when we are talking about RADIO=20 (and more specific the MW or SW bands) we must always talk for it as=20 a GLOBAL media system...=20 The American/Canadian fellows are lucky because they had use it=20 extensivelly for more than 2 decades! The Australian use it also in=20 contrary of the "UK follow me" habit of them... The UK never even=20 test on it!=20 The Japs on the other hand seems that they have adapted it ASAP!=20 And here is the big question...=20 EUROPE?=20 Europe was at time at some strage situation also for the media...=20 Only after 1989 EU was bonded to a united line on technical=20 matters... Until mid 90s the EU was mostly gave basic guidelines for=20 tech matters on radio... Only France has started a pilot test broadcasting with CQUAM form=20 Paris, but was never released the import of AM STEREO receivers!!! Why? because some great minds here at EU said it cannot be fitted to=20 work on the 9KHz spacing (resulting on an IF BW<5KHz) we have here!=20 Yes! If I remember well, that was also the case at Australia! but=20 they have allowed it! So EU didn't really want to put it on market!=20 You may ask: Am I missing something here? Is the European market a=20 parameter?=20 Well folks, sorry, IT IS! for the consumer product manufacturers!=20 You see Europe counts a total of more than 550 million potential=20=20 buyers... (not even including some nations around mediterranean sea,=20 at south)! Think about it... It's the second bigger market (if not=20 the first) after US&CANADA together!=20 You can now make some conclusions by your own I think :) Now at my opinion, there is no reason to try to invent the wheel on=20 something that is already capable to give its maximum for what it is!=20 So, either DAB, IBOC, and other technologies, are good for University=20 studies, etc. but they have all forget that radio is the only media=20 that can and must be reach everyone even if he has build a simple two=20 components envelope detector...=20 After all if you really need to hear the Philarmonic Orchestra of=20 London at the most quality available worldwide, BUY a ticket and go=20 there to listen them LIVE!=20 Nothing can replace that!=20 Regards Sotiris --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > HI A.M. STEREO FANS!!!!!!! >=20 > I want to ask something to anybody who wants to think about it. I=20 > know it's a very obvious question: >=20 > WHICH WAS(were) THE PRINCIPAL REASON(s) BECAUSE AM STEREO (C-QUAM=20 or=20 > other) DIDN'T BECOME POPULAR IN ALL OVER THE WORLD (out of USA)? >=20 > Maybe there would be some possibilities: > 1) So expensive. > 2) A system that doesn't work so good, stable, steady and=20 spectacular=20 > (at least, something similar to FM). > 3) A very bad "marketing" strategy. > 4) There were no enough AM Stereo tuners. > 5) The listeners didn't want to be fooled again. > 6) The listeners didn't get an "spectacular" new sound. > 7) Some radio stations told they worked on Stereo but it was a lie. > 8) Some radio stations actually worked on Stereo but with the wrong=20 > format (enough voice talking, etc). > 9) The CD, DAT, MD, PC and MP3 pendrive age kill the radio. > 10) The AM broadcasters thought the AM band was dead. >=20 > Other suggestions or comments? >=20 > So, I wonder if the AM broadcasters learned the lesson. >=20 > There is no a technical reason to analog AM sounds so bad. There is=20 > no psychologic reasons to think the listeners don't love the AM=20 > radios. So, Where is the problem with the AM band? >=20 > Will IBOC be other calamity of the AM history? >=20 >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Aug 27 15:07:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50258 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2006 22:06:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2006 22:06:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.149) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2006 22:06:16 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n6.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2006 22:05:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2006 22:05:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2006 22:05:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 22:05:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.37.241 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=7n3_0vzNBBxaAq8EgCWG-TDFoTlayY12pQSCezMgjNZNMc4A X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > Why? because some great minds here at EU said it cannot be fitted to=20 > work on the 9KHz spacing (resulting on an IF BW<5KHz) we have here!=20 > Yes! If I remember well, that was also the case at Australia! but=20 > they have allowed it! So EU didn't really want to put it on market!=20 Japan also uses the 9kHz spacing, and I've heard aircheck MP3 samples-=20 The sound coming from these stations is absolutely gorgeous! :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Aug 28 03:12:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50890 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2006 10:09:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2006 10:09:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2006 10:09:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 10:07:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 10:07:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:07:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.73 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=qZFEgd6DZuFCchfS8GccP8RKepIgQHZS95BS2uQgMCeqV9a64A X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > ... > You may ask: Am I missing something here? Is the European market a=20 > parameter?=20 > Well folks, sorry, IT IS! for the consumer product manufacturers!=20 > You see Europe counts a total of more than 550 million potential=20=20 > buyers... (not even including some nations around mediterranean=20 sea,=20 > at south)! Think about it... It's the second bigger market (if not=20 > the first) after US&CANADA together!=20 > You can now make some conclusions by your own I think :) Yes, you're right babe: the commercial interestings are the most=20 important reason to the AM decreasing. The question I ask: Must it be? =20 > Now at my opinion, there is no reason to try to invent the wheel on=20 > something that is already capable to give its maximum for what it=20 is!=20 > So, either DAB, IBOC, and other technologies, are good for=20 University=20 > studies, etc. but they have all forget that radio is the only media=20 > that can and must be reach everyone even if he has build a simple=20 two=20 > components envelope detector...=20 > After all if you really need to hear the Philarmonic Orchestra of=20 > London at the most quality available worldwide, BUY a ticket and go=20 > there to listen them LIVE!=20 > Nothing can replace that!=20 > Regards I'm not agree with you in this point. I'm a teacher music too, I've worked with little church choirs since 1978 and, of course, I've been into concert halls listening almost=20 all kind of music, from great composers (like Beethoven)=20 to "reggaeton" (a kind of new reggae, but very sexual or pornographic=20 messages)... AND I STILL PREFER TO HEAR ALL OF IT IN MY MUSIC ROOM,=20 ALONE, WITHOUT ANY DISTURBING SOUND or THING (like the public noise,=20 cigarette smoke, deficient speaker amplification or distribution,=20 etc.). And I'm sure I'm not the only one. The radio (AM or FM) can to bring to you the music, the great fine=20 music with a great fidelity IF WE (the broadcasters) WANT TO DO IT,=20 despite of the goberment rules. I don't understand how you let they limit you to 4.5 kHz!!! It's a=20 crime!!! It's a telephone line!!! Maybe the convenience or comfort of the AM broadcasters has been=20 killing the AM band. Maybe. Here in CHile, the most beautiful country of the universe!!!, there=20 was one, only one radio station, who talked "we transmitted with AM=20 Stereo" (I'm not sure but I think it was C-QUAM). I had an AM Stereo=20 car receiver (a Philips DC888 and I'm still not sure if was a C-QUAM=20 or other AM Stereo system receiver) and I tried to listen them. Well,=20 the only one thing I got is to see the AM Stereo pilot light on!!!=20 Stereo separation? Nothing!!! The sound quality? Please... another AM=20 radio!!! Geographical covered area? It's a 50kWs AM station and 150=20 kms to south of them I couldn't listen it (I mean with a tolerable=20 noise floor) at daytime!!! Nothing more, nothing less. Then, this was=20 1985. Today? Nobody talks about AM Stereo in CHile!!! I remember I asked about price of Motorola C-QUAM exciter in 1985:=20 US$6,500 (aprox. chilean $ 2,600,000 in that year). With this amount=20 of money, that year, we could to build, at least, 2 whole radio=20 station studios!!! Then, with the limit chilean economy (that year and still today,=20 despite the goberment says), nobody wanted to invert on AM Stereo. It was, and it is a pity! But it's the reality. I love the AM radio. I love the digital audio world. I love the=20 technical advance. BUT I KNOW THE MONEY... IS THE "KING" MONEY!!! If you think about someday somebody will discover the radiofrecuency=20 above 50 MHZ is very bad to the human body, then from the bottom of=20 my heart I still cry: THE MW analog AM IS THE FUTURE!!! But today the money try to tell me another thing. Excuse my bad english. I hope you can understand me well. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Aug 28 07:21:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56164 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2006 14:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2006 14:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.163) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2006 14:21:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 7859 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Aug 2006 14:19:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20060828141925.7857.qmail@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 07:19:25 PDT Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 07:19:25 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=VGCYzcQZLQUrCUb3DqdL42lHAQS2mZ65p1NbdvZuiRzAjwbDyTsBAhk X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio AM stereo was doing okay in its early days with several 50KW clear channel stations broadcasting in stereo AM. It became fairly popular in Canada and Australia as well as Japan. The main problem in later years was that the nice high quality Stereo AM Receivers made by Sony were only sold in Canada! The nice Sony AM stereo tuners were sold mainly in Australia, Canada and Japan - they simply 'forgot' to sell them in the USA! However, AM-stereo car stereos were readily available in ALL Chryslers from 85-92, most GMs from 84-95, and most top-notch car radios still have/had AMS up thru the 1995 model year. In just 10 short years, many AM stations in the USA went from being the top-dog of the AM-FM cluster to being the stepchild of the FM station as the money and promotions and programming talent went into the FM, and the AM got the letovers, crappy progamming, and no money to keep the technical quality at the AM end. Fortunately, there ARE a few decent AM station owners - some that come to mind are in S. Myrtle Beach, Boston, Wyoming, and a few yet in Canada. There are still some stations that do care about nice high-quality sound on the AM band, and they have C-Quam or Kahn AM Stereo systems in operation. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Aug 28 07:57:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83403 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2006 14:56:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2006 14:56:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.184) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2006 14:56:00 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 14:55:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 14:55:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 14:55:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 14:55:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060828141925.7857.qmail@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.19 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=hkp0OdCtVAULSoqLmEtPp8wrTzfh7EqW8ogLzpsn4HAHq66wFQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Oops!!!!!!! I was wrong, very wrong in the year I bought my AM Stereo car radio. It=20 was 1989, not 1985. Sorry, you know... the excess of cholesterol, etc. But, the fact was true: I try to listen that "Only one AM Stereo=20 station in Chile" and... I don't know if it was a lie or a bad joke but=20 I never got to listen a real stereo signal (or another improvement)from=20 them. So, now I know there are a few stations transmit in AM Stereo in some=20 countries of this planet. You're a very lucky guys! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love!!!!!!! From tomray@wor710.com Mon Aug 28 09:55:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20534 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2006 16:55:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2006 16:55:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.211) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2006 16:55:50 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 16:55:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 16:55:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 16:55:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:55:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=WAJ-C-tMJR1W5YbhfKBIfGUbG4e09XvChBGVCjArRarInPig X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > I want to ask something to anybody who wants to think about it. I=20 > know it's a very obvious question: >=20 > WHICH WAS(were) THE PRINCIPAL REASON(s) BECAUSE AM STEREO (C-QUAM=20 or=20 > other) DIDN'T BECOME POPULAR IN ALL OVER THE WORLD (out of USA)? >=20 > Maybe there would be some possibilities: > 1) So expensive. > 2) A system that doesn't work so good, stable, steady and=20 spectacular=20 > (at least, something similar to FM). > 3) A very bad "marketing" strategy. > 4) There were no enough AM Stereo tuners. > 5) The listeners didn't want to be fooled again. > 6) The listeners didn't get an "spectacular" new sound. > 7) Some radio stations told they worked on Stereo but it was a lie. > 8) Some radio stations actually worked on Stereo but with the=20 wrong=20 > format (enough voice talking, etc). > 9) The CD, DAT, MD, PC and MP3 pendrive age kill the radio. > 10) The AM broadcasters thought the AM band was dead. [TR] I think all items in your list have some merit, except #2. I=20 had many an AM Stereo station, and they all worked very well and=20 were stable. [TR] But I think the underlying issue that really killed things here=20 in the US were two things: the FCC's infamous "marketplace"=20 decision, and a lawsuit placed by a competitor to CQUAM. The=20 marketplace decision caused much confusion. Joe Public isn't like=20 the members of this board....somewhat technically astute. They want=20 to turn a radio on and it works...period. At the time this was=20 happening, the technology couldn't support auto switching between=20 CQUAM and Kahn ISB (that is not true today...today it is very easy=20 to do), so the public actually had to flip a switch AND KNOW WHAT=20 SYSTEM THEIR FAVORITE STATION WAS USING! BIG mistake with the=20 general public. The lawsuit made AM broadcasters squeamish about=20 purchasing and installing AM Stereo equipment, not knowing if they=20 would need to rip it out and buy something else depending on the=20 court's decision. Add the two together, you get a cluster****. >=20 > There is no a technical reason to analog AM sounds so bad.=20 [TR] Strictly technical reason? No. AM radio can sound very good.=20=20 Add in the laws of physics and yes, AM radio can sound very bad.=20=20 Broaden the bandwidth on a receiver, you bring in more noise. Add=20 government regulations limiting bandwidth (which removes the=20 subtleties of the audio)...and AM radio can sound very bad. There is=20 > no psychologic reasons to think the listeners don't love the AM=20 > radios.=20 [TR] Really? Have you asked any 18 year old kid lately? My 18 year=20 old son, who knows what AM radio is and has been around it since he=20 was born, H-A-T-E-S AM radio. Won't listen to it. Doesn't like the=20 audio quality. Doesn't like the noise. Doesn't like the fading.=20=20 Same with all of his friends. And the programming options don't=20 help matters. One of his friends actually told me that AM radio is=20 something old people listen to! None of them has a desire to DX,=20 and none have been impressed with some of the stations I can pull in=20 when they can go to the Internet, pull up an audio stream, and hear=20 the station cleanly......any station in the world that has a=20 stream.=20=20 So, Where is the problem with the AM band? [TR] The problem with the AM band is that the general public (once=20 again, not those on this board who are technically astute) has=20 higher expectations than in the past, and there is far more=20 competition for the listener than in the past. And, for the most=20 part, the competition out there sounds better to Joe Public than AM=20 radio. Of course, having radios with 2.5kHz audio bandwidth doesn't=20 help matters at all. So, rather than beating a semi-dead horse,=20 some are trying to revive it....and morph it into something a bit=20 more consumer friendly as compared to the competition. As stated=20 above, the programming doesn't help and in many cases is a big=20 detrement to listenership. Of course, there are exceptions to the=20 programming argument: some of them are on this list. >=20 > Will IBOC be other calamity of the AM history? [TR] History has yet to word process this page in the book. It=20 shall be seen. It's going to be an interesting process and fight. Tom Ray WOR, NYC >=20 >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Mon Aug 28 12:28:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23938 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2006 19:21:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2006 19:21:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s34.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.170) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2006 19:21:35 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.162.82]) by bay0-omc2-s34.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:20:49 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:20:49 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.40.196.13 by BAY108-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 19:20:48 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 15:20:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 Disposition-Notification-To: "AM Stereo Nut :\)" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2006 19:20:49.0604 (UTC) FILETIME=[1209A840:01C6CAD7] Return-Path: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "AM Stereo Nut :\)" Subject: fa: Any interest in a Stereo Broadcast Board :) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=3btuwFkyiUfbtzoFs96ATbMKKSbuaQsB8iDNQ2e-AO5Z X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Threw this up on the Bay. 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Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Aug 28 12:41:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12810 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2006 19:39:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2006 19:39:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s32.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.104) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2006 19:39:59 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.79]) by bay0-omc1-s32.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:39:22 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:39:22 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.43 by BAY106-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 19:39:18 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 19:39:18 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2006 19:39:22.0238 (UTC) FILETIME=[A93821E0:01C6CAD9] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=2E-cn-N5meLrNk337QMvj_xq_CnJLMejw3yUVGSAjC9EK2xjhY3qyl0rIwc X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sotiris from Athens said: "After all if you really need to hear the Philarmonic Orchestra of London at the most quality available worldwide, BUY a ticket and go there to listen them LIVE! Nothing can replace that! Regards Sotiris" I agree, listening to an Orchestra or symphony live is the way to go, if you can afford it and have the time........... but I can also see Juan's point, for some people this isn't practical; for example disabled people that have mobility problems and for people that just can't afford the tickets, some of the concerts here can be very very expensive. As far as cigarette smoke goes, in Florida and I believe most other states, indoor smoking at concerts is no longer a problem as the laws have been changed not to allow smoking in restaurants and concerts and other venues, but then a person with allergies could still be bothered by some concert goers, who seem to bathe themselves in cologne or perfume........ but when the acoustics are right, nothing is better than a live performance. Donn, St Petersburg,FL -----Original Message----- From: Sotiris Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 5:08 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question Hi to all from the other side of Atlantic... I always watching the AMstereo Forum everyday the last 3 years... As i'm a chief engineer of one of the major stations here at Athens Greece (yes GREECE europe!) and been working on radio for more than 25 years (first as a pirate at either MW & FM building and running my own stations, and later as a pro engineer on news FM station) I may have something to say about radio this days... Well, radio follows the same route all around the globe! What is going on there (poor programming, to much radio stations all look the same at listeners ears, no more real radio people behind the mics, etc) is the reason for any noticeable decrease of interest to radio from listeners... Jukebox stations are the easy and most economical solution for the radio broadcasting management. By relaying a bunch of stations for newscasting the management have centralized the information to only the major news... So local news are mostly gone out of radio. But who want's a radio that is not giving a "neighbourhood" feeling, that you can hear whats going on inside your city, town or even small village near you! Who wants a radio station that play all day long EXACTLY the same tunes as all the others on either FM & AM, with a small "phase delay"on the playlist? Overcompressed audio chains with peak modulation limits been now the standard level due to Bob Orbans boxes... making listeners beleive that iPods MP3s are the real audio quality because even radio sound worst than them! See very few young people have now listen vinyl discs from Hi End equipments to knowing what it should sound! I think it was in the late 70s when a song said "Video killed all the radio stars"... No it wasn't TV (Video media whatsoever...)! It was radio managers that killed the radio star (not the stars but radio itself)! About the AM band (MW) is worse here on the other coast of Atlantic! You see only lately there are private broadcasters using AM legally at Europe, and not at all EU countries yet! The AM band is mostly occupied by european nations broadcasting companies having from 3 to 20 stations each, running 50-500KW day & night! covering almost all European continent! And programming of them is 'nationality' dependable ;) Now about AM stereo got to say that either ISB Kahn or CQUAM Motorola are viable even today... I've worked with them lately and got to say I was amazed! Have installed lately an unlicenced (yet) AM STEREO station here at Athens GREECE for some guys interested on this... They have bring a bunch of AMAX CQUAM receivers also... The system delivers what it was made for! Stereo sound with a quality that it's comparable to the older good (not so heavy compressed) FM stereo sound that turned (at that time) ALL the listeners to it, living the AMers to follow the route of Dinosaurous kind... What was wrong with the AM STEREO? Well my opinion is somehow diferrent from all the others here! It wasn't the systems and the war between them... It wasn't the programming either, as at the time of introduction of it, there was a real good programming at most stations there (and at Europe also)! It wasn't also the lack of AM stereo capable tuners, etc. as you can find them even today as brand new is you search for! It wasn't the bad marketing (if there was one) from broadcasters... The FM stereo didn't really needed, so why AM should? Neither all the other things you've mentioned... I was for AM stereo systems debate from 1978 at the Popular Electronics Magazine, and waited to see it working also here at Europe after 3-7 years as was the case with FM stereo... Never happened! It was in my opinion the lack of the use of it Globally... It might sound a bit stupid to some folks, but when we are talking about RADIO (and more specific the MW or SW bands) we must always talk for it as a GLOBAL media system... The American/Canadian fellows are lucky because they had use it extensivelly for more than 2 decades! The Australian use it also in contrary of the "UK follow me" habit of them... The UK never even test on it! The Japs on the other hand seems that they have adapted it ASAP! And here is the big question... EUROPE? Europe was at time at some strage situation also for the media... Only after 1989 EU was bonded to a united line on technical matters... Until mid 90s the EU was mostly gave basic guidelines for tech matters on radio... Only France has started a pilot test broadcasting with CQUAM form Paris, but was never released the import of AM STEREO receivers!!! Why? because some great minds here at EU said it cannot be fitted to work on the 9KHz spacing (resulting on an IF BW<5KHz) we have here! Yes! If I remember well, that was also the case at Australia! but they have allowed it! So EU didn't really want to put it on market! You may ask: Am I missing something here? Is the European market a parameter? Well folks, sorry, IT IS! for the consumer product manufacturers! You see Europe counts a total of more than 550 million potential buyers... (not even including some nations around mediterranean sea, at south)! Think about it... It's the second bigger market (if not the first) after US&CANADA together! You can now make some conclusions by your own I think :) Now at my opinion, there is no reason to try to invent the wheel on something that is already capable to give its maximum for what it is! So, either DAB, IBOC, and other technologies, are good for University studies, etc. but they have all forget that radio is the only media that can and must be reach everyone even if he has build a simple two components envelope detector... After all if you really need to hear the Philarmonic Orchestra of London at the most quality available worldwide, BUY a ticket and go there to listen them LIVE! Nothing can replace that! Regards Sotiris --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > HI A.M. STEREO FANS!!!!!!! > > I want to ask something to anybody who wants to think about it. I > know it's a very obvious question: > > WHICH WAS(were) THE PRINCIPAL REASON(s) BECAUSE AM STEREO (C-QUAM or > other) DIDN'T BECOME POPULAR IN ALL OVER THE WORLD (out of USA)? > > Maybe there would be some possibilities: > 1) So expensive. > 2) A system that doesn't work so good, stable, steady and spectacular > (at least, something similar to FM). > 3) A very bad "marketing" strategy. > 4) There were no enough AM Stereo tuners. > 5) The listeners didn't want to be fooled again. > 6) The listeners didn't get an "spectacular" new sound. > 7) Some radio stations told they worked on Stereo but it was a lie. > 8) Some radio stations actually worked on Stereo but with the wrong > format (enough voice talking, etc). > 9) The CD, DAT, MD, PC and MP3 pendrive age kill the radio. > 10) The AM broadcasters thought the AM band was dead. > > Other suggestions or comments? > > So, I wonder if the AM broadcasters learned the lesson. > > There is no a technical reason to analog AM sounds so bad. There is > no psychologic reasons to think the listeners don't love the AM > radios. So, Where is the problem with the AM band? > > Will IBOC be other calamity of the AM history? > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic, Chile, South America, with love > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Aug 28 12:56:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89378 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2006 19:53:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2006 19:53:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2006 19:53:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 19:52:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 19:52:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 19:52:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.99.80.69 From: "florida_amsstereo" Subject: Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=T2e3DRh6nRa-EEesyqbZHnckwIctizVpL9YAA6myU-taW_fv3T2S8crQN5k X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Thanks, Tom, a very well thought out post and comprehensive listing=20 all the problems, am broadcasters have. The only thing I could add (and it's been posted on here recently by=20 two of the three Kevins), is that 12 year olds and younger like Radio=20 Disney; but much after age 12, I think most teenagers think am in not=20 very cool and some even think fm is not very cool either, as opposed=20 to having their own i-Pod etc. Donn --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 > wrote: > > > > I want to ask something to anybody who wants to think about it. I=20 > > know it's a very obvious question: > >=20 > > WHICH WAS(were) THE PRINCIPAL REASON(s) BECAUSE AM STEREO (C-QUAM=20 > or=20 > > other) DIDN'T BECOME POPULAR IN ALL OVER THE WORLD (out of USA)? > >=20 > > Maybe there would be some possibilities: > > 1) So expensive. > > 2) A system that doesn't work so good, stable, steady and=20 > spectacular=20 > > (at least, something similar to FM). > > 3) A very bad "marketing" strategy. > > 4) There were no enough AM Stereo tuners. > > 5) The listeners didn't want to be fooled again. > > 6) The listeners didn't get an "spectacular" new sound. > > 7) Some radio stations told they worked on Stereo but it was a lie. > > 8) Some radio stations actually worked on Stereo but with the=20 > wrong=20 > > format (enough voice talking, etc). > > 9) The CD, DAT, MD, PC and MP3 pendrive age kill the radio. > > 10) The AM broadcasters thought the AM band was dead. >=20 > [TR] I think all items in your list have some merit, except #2. I=20 > had many an AM Stereo station, and they all worked very well and=20 > were stable. >=20 > [TR] But I think the underlying issue that really killed things here=20 > in the US were two things: the FCC's infamous "marketplace"=20 > decision, and a lawsuit placed by a competitor to CQUAM. The=20 > marketplace decision caused much confusion. Joe Public isn't like=20 > the members of this board....somewhat technically astute. They want=20 > to turn a radio on and it works...period. At the time this was=20 > happening, the technology couldn't support auto switching between=20 > CQUAM and Kahn ISB (that is not true today...today it is very easy=20 > to do), so the public actually had to flip a switch AND KNOW WHAT=20 > SYSTEM THEIR FAVORITE STATION WAS USING! BIG mistake with the=20 > general public. The lawsuit made AM broadcasters squeamish about=20 > purchasing and installing AM Stereo equipment, not knowing if they=20 > would need to rip it out and buy something else depending on the=20 > court's decision. Add the two together, you get a cluster****. >=20 > >=20 > > There is no a technical reason to analog AM sounds so bad.=20 >=20 > [TR] Strictly technical reason? No. AM radio can sound very good.=20=20 > Add in the laws of physics and yes, AM radio can sound very bad.=20=20 > Broaden the bandwidth on a receiver, you bring in more noise. Add=20 > government regulations limiting bandwidth (which removes the=20 > subtleties of the audio)...and AM radio can sound very bad. >=20 > There is=20 > > no psychologic reasons to think the listeners don't love the AM=20 > > radios.=20 >=20 > [TR] Really? Have you asked any 18 year old kid lately? My 18 year=20 > old son, who knows what AM radio is and has been around it since he=20 > was born, H-A-T-E-S AM radio. Won't listen to it. Doesn't like the=20 > audio quality. Doesn't like the noise. Doesn't like the fading.=20=20 > Same with all of his friends. And the programming options don't=20 > help matters. One of his friends actually told me that AM radio is=20 > something old people listen to! None of them has a desire to DX,=20 > and none have been impressed with some of the stations I can pull in=20 > when they can go to the Internet, pull up an audio stream, and hear=20 > the station cleanly......any station in the world that has a=20 > stream.=20=20 >=20 > So, Where is the problem with the AM band? >=20 > [TR] The problem with the AM band is that the general public (once=20 > again, not those on this board who are technically astute) has=20 > higher expectations than in the past, and there is far more=20 > competition for the listener than in the past. And, for the most=20 > part, the competition out there sounds better to Joe Public than AM=20 > radio. Of course, having radios with 2.5kHz audio bandwidth doesn't=20 > help matters at all. So, rather than beating a semi-dead horse,=20 > some are trying to revive it....and morph it into something a bit=20 > more consumer friendly as compared to the competition. As stated=20 > above, the programming doesn't help and in many cases is a big=20 > detrement to listenership. Of course, there are exceptions to the=20 > programming argument: some of them are on this list. >=20 > >=20 > > Will IBOC be other calamity of the AM history? >=20 > [TR] History has yet to word process this page in the book. It=20 > shall be seen. It's going to be an interesting process and fight. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR, NYC >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > >=20 > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > > From wnmb@sc.rr.com Mon Aug 28 15:34:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19889 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2006 22:34:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2006 22:34:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.159) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2006 22:34:58 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 22:33:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 22:33:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 22:33:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 22:33:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.70.68.101 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=JEJZIUjW9DqOXrjNFHHxYKfLqhLHPRt79b1jJYAjxBbVOg X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 I've read all these reasons about the lack of success of AM Stereo,=20 and I agree with Tom's comments, but it seems the overall number one=20 culprit is missing from the list. It is the FCC lack of a clear cut=20 decision on an AM Stereo standard in the first place. Back in the=20 early 80s when I first went to AM Stereo I tried to get some of my=20 fellow broadcasters in the Carolinas to convert as well. A couple=20 did so, but the majority said things like "I'm going to wait awhile=20 and see which system wins". It was like players in an important=20 ball game who took the attitude they were going to wait and see if=20=20 someone else got a hit. Now, having said that, I am and remain a=20 proponet of AM Stereo today. Since we put it on the air in North=20 Myrtle Beach it has been well received. Honest to goodness, I don't=20 think many AM broadcasters have any idea how many radios are out=20 there in cars who can hear the AM Stereo. We had two more show up=20 over the weekend. A Chrysler mini-van and a Lincoln Navigator both=20 were brought by happy listeners to our studios. And here's the ultimate thing; we have had record breaking business=20 all spring and summer long. I haven't posted hardly anything on the=20 forum because we have been so busy.I've also had the chance to find=20 out more about IBOC for AM and the more I find out, the more=20 concerned I become for the long term viability of AM Radio. Converting to AM Stereo was a good investment for my company, and I=20 would do it again today. Now, after we've all discussed the reasons for AM Stereo not being a=20 mass success, the ultimate and final reason comes down to us in the=20 AM radio business. We have a standard system (finally), but we have=20 to invest in our stations and bring them up to date and at the same=20 time we have to remember that programming is a main factor in=20 success.=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "florida_amsstereo"=20 wrote: > > Thanks, Tom, a very well thought out post and comprehensive=20 listing=20 > all the problems, am broadcasters have. >=20 > The only thing I could add (and it's been posted on here recently=20 by=20 > two of the three Kevins), is that 12 year olds and younger like=20 Radio=20 > Disney; but much after age 12, I think most teenagers think am in=20 not=20 > very cool and some even think fm is not very cool either, as=20 opposed=20 > to having their own i-Pod etc. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Donn > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 > > wrote: > > > > > > I want to ask something to anybody who wants to think about=20 it. I=20 > > > know it's a very obvious question: > > >=20 > > > WHICH WAS(were) THE PRINCIPAL REASON(s) BECAUSE AM STEREO (C- QUAM=20 > > or=20 > > > other) DIDN'T BECOME POPULAR IN ALL OVER THE WORLD (out of=20 USA)? > > >=20 > > > Maybe there would be some possibilities: > > > 1) So expensive. > > > 2) A system that doesn't work so good, stable, steady and=20 > > spectacular=20 > > > (at least, something similar to FM). > > > 3) A very bad "marketing" strategy. > > > 4) There were no enough AM Stereo tuners. > > > 5) The listeners didn't want to be fooled again. > > > 6) The listeners didn't get an "spectacular" new sound. > > > 7) Some radio stations told they worked on Stereo but it was a=20 lie. > > > 8) Some radio stations actually worked on Stereo but with the=20 > > wrong=20 > > > format (enough voice talking, etc). > > > 9) The CD, DAT, MD, PC and MP3 pendrive age kill the radio. > > > 10) The AM broadcasters thought the AM band was dead. > >=20 > > [TR] I think all items in your list have some merit, except #2.=20=20 I=20 > > had many an AM Stereo station, and they all worked very well and=20 > > were stable. > >=20 > > [TR] But I think the underlying issue that really killed things=20 here=20 > > in the US were two things: the FCC's infamous "marketplace"=20 > > decision, and a lawsuit placed by a competitor to CQUAM. The=20 > > marketplace decision caused much confusion. Joe Public isn't=20 like=20 > > the members of this board....somewhat technically astute. They=20 want=20 > > to turn a radio on and it works...period. At the time this was=20 > > happening, the technology couldn't support auto switching=20 between=20 > > CQUAM and Kahn ISB (that is not true today...today it is very=20 easy=20 > > to do), so the public actually had to flip a switch AND KNOW=20 WHAT=20 > > SYSTEM THEIR FAVORITE STATION WAS USING! BIG mistake with the=20 > > general public. The lawsuit made AM broadcasters squeamish=20 about=20 > > purchasing and installing AM Stereo equipment, not knowing if=20 they=20 > > would need to rip it out and buy something else depending on the=20 > > court's decision. Add the two together, you get a cluster****. > >=20 > > >=20 > > > There is no a technical reason to analog AM sounds so bad.=20 > >=20 > > [TR] Strictly technical reason? No. AM radio can sound very=20 good.=20=20 > > Add in the laws of physics and yes, AM radio can sound very=20 bad.=20=20 > > Broaden the bandwidth on a receiver, you bring in more noise.=20=20 Add=20 > > government regulations limiting bandwidth (which removes the=20 > > subtleties of the audio)...and AM radio can sound very bad. > >=20 > > There is=20 > > > no psychologic reasons to think the listeners don't love the=20 AM=20 > > > radios.=20 > >=20 > > [TR] Really? Have you asked any 18 year old kid lately? My 18=20 year=20 > > old son, who knows what AM radio is and has been around it since=20 he=20 > > was born, H-A-T-E-S AM radio. Won't listen to it. Doesn't like=20 the=20 > > audio quality. Doesn't like the noise. Doesn't like the=20 fading.=20=20 > > Same with all of his friends. And the programming options don't=20 > > help matters. One of his friends actually told me that AM radio=20 is=20 > > something old people listen to! None of them has a desire to=20 DX,=20 > > and none have been impressed with some of the stations I can=20 pull in=20 > > when they can go to the Internet, pull up an audio stream, and=20 hear=20 > > the station cleanly......any station in the world that has a=20 > > stream.=20=20 > >=20 > > So, Where is the problem with the AM band? > >=20 > > [TR] The problem with the AM band is that the general public=20 (once=20 > > again, not those on this board who are technically astute) has=20 > > higher expectations than in the past, and there is far more=20 > > competition for the listener than in the past. And, for the=20 most=20 > > part, the competition out there sounds better to Joe Public than=20 AM=20 > > radio. Of course, having radios with 2.5kHz audio bandwidth=20 doesn't=20 > > help matters at all. So, rather than beating a semi-dead horse,=20 > > some are trying to revive it....and morph it into something a=20 bit=20 > > more consumer friendly as compared to the competition. As=20 stated=20 > > above, the programming doesn't help and in many cases is a big=20 > > detrement to listenership. Of course, there are exceptions to=20 the=20 > > programming argument: some of them are on this list. > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Will IBOC be other calamity of the AM history? > >=20 > > [TR] History has yet to word process this page in the book. It=20 > > shall be seen. It's going to be an interesting process and=20 fight. > >=20 > > Tom Ray > > WOR, NYC > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > >=20 > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > > > > > From tomray@wor710.com Mon Aug 28 18:21:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39414 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2006 01:20:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2006 01:20:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.26) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2006 01:20:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2006 01:17:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2006 01:17:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 01:17:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=wVySKPLNJLQi73OQzfU_rBwJNERg2Q4xs6u5DyUadwYpwMST X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > > I've read all these reasons about the lack of success of AM Stereo,=20 > and I agree with Tom's comments, but it seems the overall number one=20 > culprit is missing from the list. It is the FCC lack of a clear cut=20 > decision on an AM Stereo standard in the first place. Back in the=20 > early 80s when I first went to AM Stereo I tried to get some of my=20 > fellow broadcasters in the Carolinas to convert as well. A couple=20 > did so, but the majority said things like "I'm going to wait awhile=20 > and see which system wins". It was like players in an important=20 > ball game who took the attitude they were going to wait and see if=20=20 > someone else got a hit.=20=20 Bill: You've nailed it right on the head...the infamous "marketplace decision". The FCC originally chose Maganavox....then, I believe, chose Motorola.....then the lawsuit threat....and they threw us all to the wolves. Too bad. Tom Ray WOR, NYC From tomray@wor710.com Mon Aug 28 18:34:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76160 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2006 01:24:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2006 01:24:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.199) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2006 01:24:03 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n8.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2006 01:23:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2006 01:23:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2006 01:23:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 01:23:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=gvGCJ7oSd-TVj_MHM9gQH8YTkjmitxXEekgi6QPadB19XV-d X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "florida_amsstereo" wrote: > > Thanks, Tom, a very well thought out post and comprehensive listing=20 > all the problems, am broadcasters have. >=20 > The only thing I could add (and it's been posted on here recently by=20 > two of the three Kevins), is that 12 year olds and younger like Radio=20 > Disney; but much after age 12, I think most teenagers think am in not=20 > very cool and some even think fm is not very cool either, as opposed=20 > to having their own i-Pod etc. You're right. My son (18 and just started college today) bought an XM for his car....and now doesn't really care to listen to local FM stations, either. He'll take his ipod, he'll listen to XM in the car...but not AM or FM.=20=20 Then again, when the local classic rock station plays the same 400 songs over...and over.....and over (I can literally tell you what song will come next after listening for a day or so), when there are literally thousands of songs to choose from in an era of 1970-2006.....and on XM, I can hear songs I haven't heard in ages...and little or no repeat over the period of at least a week or two....I don't blame him one bit. The local modern rock station has what I consider a "top 40" playlist, playing the hottest songs rock songs on a two hour rotation.=20=20 It's sad, really. Tom Ray WOR, NYC From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Aug 28 18:47:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62036 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2006 01:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2006 01:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao11.cox.net) (68.230.241.28) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2006 01:47:06 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao11.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060829014655.VDOQ13992.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:46:55 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id Fdmv1V0082DrW980000000 Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:46:55 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:46:54 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=VlKKxNEkiwzo-40IoBp-m8mC4NwkI84nHJR3gw7VtkI0BzOtPVXfD8Gc2JaL X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wish I could find a music station I like in Los Angeles, home to over 80 signals.. Unfortunately, there is not. I listen mostly to Sirius and KFI. Richard Wagoner On Aug 28, 2006, at 6:23 PM, Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "florida_amsstereo" > wrote: > > > > Thanks, Tom, a very well thought out post and comprehensive listing > > all the problems, am broadcasters have. > > > > The only thing I could add (and it's been posted on here recently by > > two of the three Kevins), is that 12 year olds and younger like > Radio > > Disney; but much after age 12, I think most teenagers think am in > not > > very cool and some even think fm is not very cool either, as opposed > > to having their own i-Pod etc. > > You're right. My son (18 and just started college today) bought an XM > for his car....and now doesn't really care to listen to local FM > stations, either. He'll take his ipod, he'll listen to XM in the > car...but not AM or FM. > > Then again, when the local classic rock station plays the same 400 > songs over...and over.....and over (I can literally tell you what song > will come next after listening for a day or so), when there are > literally thousands of songs to choose from in an era of > 1970-2006.....and on XM, I can hear songs I haven't heard in > ages...and little or no repeat over the period of at least a week or > two....I don't blame him one bit. The local modern rock station has > what I consider a "top 40" playlist, playing the hottest songs rock > songs on a two hour rotation. > > It's sad, really. > > Tom Ray > WOR, NYC > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Aug 28 19:13:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37888 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2006 02:13:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2006 02:13:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2006 02:13:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2006 02:13:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2006 02:13:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 02:13:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.20.248 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=_GATF_KGDAWVJ4YK0gNovg5NlmppyW3CMvwVUjKrG6TekrW8 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner =20 wrote: > > I wish I could find a music station I like in Los Angeles, home to=20=20 > over 80 signals.. Unfortunately, there is not. I listen mostly to=20=20 > Sirius and KFI. The last few times I've been to the L.A. area, I hhave been very=20 underwjelmed by the selection available- It felt as if I was in a=20 large, but run-down city, where the city life is just as tired and=20 grungy as the music scene, and not the most exciting, most star- studded, most glamourous city in the world. I got more entertainment listening to the ethnic stations on the SCA=20 channels down there than I did from the main AM & FM bands. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (who remembers top-40 radio from L.A. in AMS.... Got into AMS because=20 of one such station...) From matthew.trim@eds.com Mon Aug 28 21:55:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86785 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2006 04:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2006 04:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler2.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.142) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2006 04:55:07 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler2.mail.eds.com (8.13.7/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k7T4t49S007723 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:55:04 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.13.7/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k7T4sIK2002321 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:54:18 +1000 Received: from aubwm051.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.159.13]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.13.7/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k7T4sIbp002316 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:54:18 +1000 Received: from aubwm010.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.166.96]) by aubwm051.apac.corp.eds.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:54:17 +1000 Received: from aubwm231.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.166.105]) by aubwm010.apac.corp.eds.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:54:18 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:54:17 +1000 Message-ID: <5963F1C68F53754894E6168A6D6B6AD438B9DF@aubwm231.apac.corp.eds.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question Thread-Index: AcbLESksqd1K5cpmQMKeSQBTo4kKOwAFTSBg To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2006 04:54:18.0179 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F258930:01C6CB27] X-Originating-IP: 207.169.189.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102; y=No6EITiU07KIjp_RWDHaqeAKdUQ88I7Zj-ZdngAf0zh0tDzNpg X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LA icons such as "Western America's Most Powerful Radio Station - KFI Los Angeles" :) http://www.oznetradio.com/USA/kfi84.mp3 And KIIS AM and FM http://www.oznetradio.com/USA/kiis.mp3 And over in New York: http://www.oznetradio.com/USA/1984-WHTZ.mp3. :) ________________________________ From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amy Mousie Sent: Tuesday, 29 August 2006 12:13 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , Richard Wagoner wrote: > > I wish I could find a music station I like in Los Angeles, home to > over 80 signals.. Unfortunately, there is not. I listen mostly to > Sirius and KFI. The last few times I've been to the L.A. area, I hhave been very underwjelmed by the selection available- It felt as if I was in a large, but run-down city, where the city life is just as tired and grungy as the music scene, and not the most exciting, most star- studded, most glamourous city in the world. I got more entertainment listening to the ethnic stations on the SCA channels down there than I did from the main AM & FM bands. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (who remembers top-40 radio from L.A. in AMS.... Got into AMS because of one such station...) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From matthew.trim@eds.com Mon Aug 28 22:05:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59851 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2006 05:04:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2006 05:04:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler3.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.143) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2006 05:04:04 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler3.mail.eds.com (8.13.7/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k7T542Q4031717 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:04:02 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.13.7/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k7T53i4X009276 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:03:44 +1000 Received: from aubwm051.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.159.13]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.13.7/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k7T53iWb009271 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:03:44 +1000 Received: from aubwm010.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.166.96]) by aubwm051.apac.corp.eds.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:03:43 +1000 Received: from aubwm231.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.166.105]) by aubwm010.apac.corp.eds.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:03:43 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:03:44 +1000 Message-ID: <5963F1C68F53754894E6168A6D6B6AD438B9F5@aubwm231.apac.corp.eds.com> In-Reply-To: <5963F1C68F53754894E6168A6D6B6AD438B9DF@aubwm231.apac.corp.eds.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question Thread-Index: AcbLESksqd1K5cpmQMKeSQBTo4kKOwAFTSBgAACBEiA= To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2006 05:03:43.0538 (UTC) FILETIME=[80207920:01C6CB28] X-Originating-IP: 207.169.189.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102; y=ymrbD06Pnx00gjARLCxVFlVoJy8QByES3pI4kwO-sLZjE81WNw X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.oznetradio.com/USA/1984-WHTZ.mp3 (without the full stop / period) :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Aug 29 00:04:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76367 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2006 07:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2006 07:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2006 07:04:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2006 07:04:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2006 07:04:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:04:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5963F1C68F53754894E6168A6D6B6AD438B9DF@aubwm231.apac.corp.eds.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.20.248 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=oyPptvvWGz7NK_9bUbpj8JbQox_70zvWazdFmtqWL3wz-4gR X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L"=20 wrote: > > LA icons such as "Western America's Most Powerful Radio Station -=20 KFI > Los Angeles" :) >=20=20 > http://www.oznetradio.com/USA/kfi84.mp3 Ah, memories! :) Used to listen to KFI between 1979 and 1988 or 1989-=20 About the time they dumped the music for talk. In stereo from '85.=20 (The station actually was one of Harris' demonstration stations from=20 1979, and switched to C-QUAM in 1984 when the FCC mandated the=20 conversion from Harris' system, at which time, they started to=20 promote and demo AM stereo throughout the L.A. area, giving away Sony=20 SRF-A1s and SRF-A100s. I didn't get an 'A100 until March of '85. KFI=20 shut off the C-QUAM in January, 2001, which just shortly before, I=20 got my dream- Receiving KFI from my home 600 miles north in the=20 middle of the day, in stereo.) I repeat: Ah, memories! :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Aug 29 01:12:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87153 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2006 08:12:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2006 08:12:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.221) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2006 08:12:00 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.34]) by bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 29 Aug 2006 01:11:56 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 01:11:55 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:11:52 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:11:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2006 08:11:55.0726 (UTC) FILETIME=[CACB9EE0:01C6CB42] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=9nEp68b1N08Qtmc10HOY-gQu01_T7q2EUhRcddwQZXfxxLDbqUSlk7Z6H4I X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Speaking of L.A. radio, here is an XM press release in reference to L.A. losing it's only country music station: ----------------------------------------------- XM RESCUES COUNTRY MUSIC IN LOS ANGELES AS NEW SPONSOR OF "COUNTRY BASH '06" CONCERT XM replaces now-defunct KZLA as sponsor of LA's largest country music festival; show goes on with headliners Gretchen Wilson, Phil Vassar and SHeDAISY XM is now the largest radio platform for country music in Los Angeles with 9 country music channels Washington D.C. , August 22, 2006 -- XM Satellite Radio (NASDAQ: XMSR), the nation's leading satellite radio service with more than 7 million subscribers, announced today that it will replace now-defunct KZLA-FM (93.9) as sponsor for Los Angeles' largest country music festival "Country Bash '06," which is scheduled to feature Gretchen Wilson, Phil Vassar and SHeDAISY. The event will be held October 14 at the Verizon Wireless Amphitheater. KZLA recently abandoned its longtime country music format, leaving Los Angeles with no local country music radio station. XM is now the largest radio platform for country music in Los Angeles with a total of nine country music channels. Today's announcement ensures that country music fans in LA will still be able to enjoy the popular music festival. Tickets for Country Bash '06 will be available beginning Saturday, August 26 at 10 a.m. "XM Radio's commitment to country music is more important now than it's ever been before," said Eric Logan, executive vice president of programming, XM Satellite Radio, and former board member of the Country Music Association (CMA). "By sponsoring Country Bash '06, XM is sending a message loud and clear to country fans in Los Angeles and across the country: XM Radio loves country music, and XM is the best place for you to hear country music." In July, XM handed over creative reigns to country music legend Willie Nelson for its traditional country music channel, now known as "Willie's Place" (XM channel 13). In addition to that channel, XM's country music lineup includes: *"America" - Classic country on XM Channel 10 *"Nashville" - '90s and today's country on XM Channel 11 *"X Country" - Americana country on XM Channel 12 *"Willie's Place" - Traditional country music on XM Channel 13 *"Bluegrass Junction" - Bluegrass music on XM Channel 14 *"The Village" - Folk music on XM Channel 15 *"Highway 16" - New country hits on XM Channel 16 *"US Country" - '80s and '90s country music superstars on XM Channel 17 *WSIX - Nashville's premier country music station on XM Channel 161 From: "Amy Mousie" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:04:22 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > >LA icons such as "Western America's Most Powerful Radio Station - KFI >Los Angeles" :) > >http://www.oznetradio.com/USA/kfi84.mp3 Ah, memories! :) Used to listen to KFI between 1979 and 1988 or 1989- About the time they dumped the music for talk. In stereo from '85. (The station actually was one of Harris' demonstration stations from 1979, and switched to C-QUAM in 1984 when the FCC mandated the conversion from Harris' system, at which time, they started to promote and demo AM stereo throughout the L.A. area, giving away Sony SRF-A1s and SRF-A100s. I didn't get an 'A100 until March of '85. KFI shut off the C-QUAM in January, 2001, which just shortly before, I got my dream- Receiving KFI from my home 600 miles north in the middle of the day, in stereo.) I repeat: Ah, memories! :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 29 11:25:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35410 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2006 18:22:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2006 18:22:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52205.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.128) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2006 18:22:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 49992 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Aug 2006 18:22:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20060829182226.49990.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.204] by web52205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:22:26 PDT Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:22:26 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=xNoWLrE37NZh-Nw8KB6Oo8t5Rym1vpcnHG8Gsn2JE4s X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > You've nailed it right on the head...the infamous > "marketplace > decision". The FCC originally chose > Maganavox....then, I believe, > chose Motorola.....then the lawsuit threat....and > they threw us all to the wolves. Too bad. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Tom Ray > WOR, NYC GRRRRR! Snap! Howwwwl! I resemble that remark. I "play" with wolves. I volunteer at Full Moon Farm, a Wolf and Wolfdog rescue in Black Mountain, NC. To see me DX'ing (DX'ing with Delaware on the right of me and Cheyenne on the left. Delaware is a high content, and Cheyenne is good ole Husky. Delaware will, however lick you all. Click on Rogues Gallery. http://www.americanbroadcastdx.com/ I trust a wolf telling me something better than a dog. An unsocial wolf will HIDE from you. They are very shy by nature. You can NOT use a wolf as a guard dog. You are EXPECTED to be the Alpha Pack Leader and guard them. A Chihuahua makes a better guard dog. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Aug 29 13:06:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49584 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2006 20:04:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2006 20:04:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.162) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2006 20:04:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 60454 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Aug 2006 20:03:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20060829200304.60452.qmail@web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:03:04 PDT Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:03:04 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: fa: Any interest in a Stereo Broadcast Board :) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=WvbSeCEVlKcE9h5MMFYPVWkoTlt3kAJEf7JZSkXdKxcWGrYv-q7sd6Y X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio apparently so, it's already gone! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From badeditpro@charter.net Tue Aug 29 18:33:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56808 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2006 01:31:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2006 01:31:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf24.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.224) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2006 01:31:48 -0000 Received: from mxip35a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip35a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.250]) by mxsf24.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k7U1VC1w000511 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:31:13 -0400 Received: from 66-190-197-240.dhcp.rnrp.nc.charter.com (HELO yourfd6nvjcer4) ([66.190.197.240]) by mxip35a.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 29 Aug 2006 21:31:13 -0400 Message-ID: <001601c6cbd3$fce609b0$f0c5be42@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:31:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.28.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: Ampro Board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=PQmQU4G1Lo14xc-zFQtY_bMW4v3pbj3er95oVeEvN1TR4lCDmVWTiQ1NNxZV X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow, Robert! That board sure brought back some memories! A friend of mine bought a radio station many years back and they had a board like that. It was rather dirty and beat up when we started working on the studios and at first we thought it would have to go. Much to our surprise, after a little clean up and some minor repairs, it performed beautifully. I remember that it had a very nice sound and it stayed in service up to at least 1997. I had moved on from the station by then but I stayed in the area until that year. I love those boards that were built like tanks and sounded so good. Lots of interesting comments on the board lately... I really do not have much to add but I have sure enjoyed reading what everyone has to say... :) JC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Aug 29 21:14:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6472 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2006 04:13:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2006 04:13:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.172) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2006 04:13:06 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n5.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2006 04:12:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2006 04:12:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2006 04:12:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:12:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060829182226.49990.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.7 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=3BvqZwVxAH1OCpAsy78Y8L-BeCGGBp9h9LzDDJJkJ-UN_B6BkQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI AM STEREO FANS!!!!!!! I'm a solitary wolf too, but (without to fall in the Tom/Powell=20 parable) I think the AM broadcasters could have been the=20 AM "saviours" but didn't know to use the new "toy" efficiently. I wanna add some extra reasosn to the AM "almost" death: =B7 Here, in my beautiful country, there was a black hand who convinced=20 the advertising agencies to not invert in AM (just FM and TV). Who?=20 Some Santiago (the capital city of Chile) AM broadcasters whom wanted=20 to install FM stations (repeaters) through all over the country!!!=20 Today we are "filled" of Santiago FM repeaters in all over the=20 country!!! =B7 Somebody started, around 1990, to transmit, through the FM band,=20 the same music, the same conversations and the same sports of the AM=20 band. Today, almost all the FM radio stations do the same. Even us,=20 here in Curic=F3, we transmit the same program through AM and FM=20 channels (a directory decission, not mine). =B7 The "pirate" stations (radios without any law permissions). Here we=20 don't have AM pirates, thanks GOD!!! But, if you don't find one or=20 two pirate FM stations in any chilean city... you're a very lucky=20 guy!!! Then we could think it's a good thing to the AM, but not: most=20 people who used to listen AM, changed their habits to the new pirate=20 FM radios, because that stations are, the most, community services=20 (neighborhood efforts). Maybe the AM broadcasters forgot the people?=20 I'm not sure. =B7 Here, nobody did and nobody does nothing about the very, very, very=20 bad AM tuners. Here we have the worst of the world!!! Even,=20 most "new" radio tuners don't have AM band!!! In the ARCHI (the=20 chilean NAB) I've talked about it but... nobody listen to me. =B7 Here we have more than 1000 FM radio stations. Think: Chile isn't a=20 big country, we are long but very thin. I know villages with less=20 than 750 inhabitans with more than two FM stations!!! So, a great=20 portion, almost all, of the listeners can tune FM stations, anywhere. Well, I really wanna know if it's the same in USA and other=20 countries. Please, excuse my insistence but try to understand me: I=20 LOVE AM!!! Every comments in this forum help me (and I think to all=20 of us) to enrich my knowledge and I thank you so much for it. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From amfmdx@qwest.net Tue Aug 29 22:25:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@qwest.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21903 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2006 05:25:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2006 05:25:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net) (63.231.195.112) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2006 05:25:50 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-01.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-01.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.1]) by mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id B33D81A9959 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:24:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-174-223.phnx.qwest.net (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (130.13.174.223) by mpls-pop-01.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2006 05:24:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:24:56 -0700 Message-ID: To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 63.231.195.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=264393189; y=_z3fd31M38psFL7HIn2K7_sgD9iGRIsp1paaFnfXhYptig0seg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Well, I really wanna know if it's the same in USA and other > countries. Please, excuse my insistence but try to understand me: I > LOVE AM!!! Every comments in this forum help me (and I think to all > of us) to enrich my knowledge and I thank you so much for it. > > I would believe everyone on this list loves AM radio as well. Sadly, in the > USA, AM radio is falling into disuse. In a few years, AM will be left on the > side of the road dead. The music format has moved to FM and AM had talk and > news. Now even the talk and news is moving to FM and even FM is becoming > digital. > > Analog AM and FM radio in the USA will probably be gone in the next 25 years, > supplanted by digital signals if there is anything. > > I can see radio being sent over satellite and WiFi then AM and FM will be > largely forgotten as will radio as we currently know it. > > Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Wed Aug 30 02:51:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88111 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2006 09:46:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2006 09:46:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO act-MTAout4.csiro.au) (150.229.7.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2006 09:46:14 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.56]) by act-MTAout4.csiro.au with ESMTP; 30 Aug 2006 19:44:58 +1000 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.08,186,1154872800"; d="scan'208"; a="108313955:sNHT25711728" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 30 Aug 2006 19:44:28 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 19:44:27 +1000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 1278 - The New Magic Thread-Index: AcbMF/Qp6h8KL+56RgWNmklmKR3QSA== To: Cc: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2006 09:44:28.0146 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2B56D20:01C6CC18] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.7.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: 1278 - The New Magic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=BUCqsnu3FgTtIpeGed_sUfa5DZcOBeE-DWGWFWAy9XQA IA0KIA0KR29vZCBuZXdzIG9mIHNvcnRzLiAgQXQgbGVhc3QgdGhlIHN0YXRpb24gbWFuYWdl ciBhdCBNYWdpYyBkaXNwbGF5cyBhIGdlbnVpbmUgZGVzaXJlIHRvIHJldHVybiB0byBzdGVy ZW8uDQogDQpUaGUgcXVlc3Rpb24gaXMgLi4uIHdoZW4/Pz8NCiANCkl0IGNhbid0IGJlIHRv IGVhc3kgaW4gdGhpcyBkb2cgZWF0IGRvZyB3b3JsZC4NCiANCkhlJ3MgYWxzbyBzZW50IG1l IGEgemlwcGVkIHBhY2thZ2Ugb2YgYWxsIHRoZSBvbGQgTWFnaWMgNjkzIGppbmdsZXMuICBJ J3ZlIHVuemlwcGVkIHRoZW0gYnV0IHN0aWxsIGNhbid0IGdldCB0aGVtIHRvIHBsYXkuICBU aGV5IGFyZSBub3QgbXAzIGZpbGVzIGJ1dCBkbyBhdXRvIG9wZW4gaVR1bmVzIC4uLiBzbyBJ J20gcHJvYmFibHkgaGFsZiB3YXkgdGhlcmUuDQogDQogDQpJYW4NCk1lbGJvdXJuZSAgICh3 aGVyZSBpdCdzIHN0YXJ0aW5nIHRvIGxvb2sgbGlrZSBTcHJpbmcpDQoNCgktLS0tLU9yaWdp bmFsIE1lc3NhZ2UtLS0tLSANCglGcm9tOiBHYXJ5IEhvZmZtYW4NCglTZW50OiBXZWQgOC8z MC8yMDA2IDM6MDEgUE0gDQoJVG86IERhdmlkc29uLCBJYW4gKENTSVJPIFAmQywgQ2xheXRv bikgDQoJU3ViamVjdDogUkU6IFN0ZXJlbyBhbmQgamluZ2xlcw0KCQ0KCQ0KCVRoZSBPcHRp bW9kIGlzIGdhdGhlcmluZyBkdXN0IHdoaWxzdCBvdXIgdGVjaHMgdHJ5IHRvIGVzdGFibGlz aCB3aGV0aGVyIG9yIG5vdCBvdXIgc3RlcmVvIGV4Y2l0ZXIgaGFzIGJlZW4gZml4ZWQuIFRo ZXkgZ2V0IGRpZmZlcmVudCBhbnN3ZXJzIGRlcGVuZGluZyBvbiB3aG8gdGhleSB0YWxrIHRv LiBUaGUgd2hvbGUgdGhpbmcgaXMgZHJpdmluZyBtZSBjcmF6eS4gV2Ugd2lsbCBiZSBiYWNr IGluIHN0ZXJlby4uLi4uIG9uZSBkYXkuIE91ciBjaGllZiB0ZWNoIHNheXMgaXQgY291bGQg YmUgYSBmZXcgd2Vla3MsIGJ1dCBoZSBzYWlkIHRoYXQgdGhyZWUgbW9udGhzIGFnby4NCgkg DQoJT24gYSBoYXBwaWVyIG5vdGUsIHBsZWFzZSBmaW5kIGF0dGFjaGVkIGEgY29weSBvZiB0 aGUgb3JpZ2luYWwgNjkzIGppbmdsZSBwYWNrYWdlLg0KCSANCglSZWdhcmRzLA0KCUdhcnkN Cg0KICBfX19fXyAgDQoNCglGcm9tOiBJYW4uRGF2aWRzb25AY3Npcm8uYXUgW21haWx0bzpJ YW4uRGF2aWRzb25AY3Npcm8uYXVdIA0KCVNlbnQ6IFdlZG5lc2RheSwgMzAgQXVndXN0IDIw MDYgMjozOSBQTQ0KCVRvOiBHYXJ5IEhvZmZtYW4NCglTdWJqZWN0OiBTdGVyZW8gYW5kIGpp bmdsZXMNCgkNCgkNCgkgDQoJSGkgR2FyeQ0KCSANCgkgDQoJQSBmcmllbmQgb2YgbWluZSBp biBDYW5hZGEgdG9sZCBtZSBhIGZldyBtb250aHMgYWdvIHRoYXQgeW91J2QgYm91Z2h0IGEg bmV3IHN0ZXJlbyBvcHRpbW9kLiAgSXMgdGhlcmUgYW55IGhvcGUgd2UnbGwgaGVhciBzdGVy ZW8gYWdhaW4gc29vbj8NCgkgDQoJIA0KCUFsc28geW91IHNhaWQgeW91J2Qgc2VlIGlmIHNv bWVvbmUgYXQgdGhlIHN0YXRpb24gd291bGQgc2VuZCBtZSBzb21lIG1wM3Mgb2YgeW91ciBv bGQgTWFnaWMgNjkzIGppbmdsZXMuICBJJ2Qgc3RpbGwgbG92ZSB0byBoYXZlIHNvbWUuDQoJ IA0KCSANCgljaGVlcnMNCgkgDQoJSWFuDQoJIA0KCShidHcgIC0gIEkgbGlrZSB5b3VyIG5l dyBzbG9nYW4uKQ0KCSANCgkgDQoNCg== From amdavid@pacbell.net Wed Aug 30 07:15:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71116 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2006 14:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2006 14:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80402.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.57) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2006 14:14:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 57016 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Aug 2006 14:13:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20060830141309.57014.qmail@web80402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.199.243.174] by web80402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 07:13:09 PDT Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 07:13:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=sT4oueUwfQs79jB_fFU4qR6oIexx0MwoPGcwARyw6n2L_Lf7tg X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable AM Stereo never took off at least in the US because of several factors. =20=20=20 1. It was 5 or 6 years too late. By the tyme a system was determined, nea= rly 70% of radio listening was on FM. Statistics show that listeners who cr= ossed over never make it back. 2. Many AM broadcasters were already doing talk programming on AM, and di= d not perceive a need. 3. There was no organized AM stereo campaign, and not enough listeners to= make it work. 4. The system was not particularly liked by manufacturers, who perceived = AM to be dead and did not want to spend extra money n the stereo ocmponents= .=20 jotape1960 wrote: HI A.M. STEREO FANS!!!!!!! I want to ask something to anybody who wants to think about it. I=20 know it's a very obvious question: WHICH WAS(were) THE PRINCIPAL REASON(s) BECAUSE AM STEREO (C-QUAM or=20 other) DIDN'T BECOME POPULAR IN ALL OVER THE WORLD (out of USA)? Maybe there would be some possibilities: 1) So expensive. 2) A system that doesn't work so good, stable, steady and spectacular=20 (at least, something similar to FM). 3) A very bad "marketing" strategy. 4) There were no enough AM Stereo tuners. 5) The listeners didn't want to be fooled again. 6) The listeners didn't get an "spectacular" new sound. 7) Some radio stations told they worked on Stereo but it was a lie. 8) Some radio stations actually worked on Stereo but with the wrong=20 format (enough voice talking, etc). 9) The CD, DAT, MD, PC and MP3 pendrive age kill the radio. 10) The AM broadcasters thought the AM band was dead. Other suggestions or comments? So, I wonder if the AM broadcasters learned the lesson. There is no a technical reason to analog AM sounds so bad. There is=20 no psychologic reasons to think the listeners don't love the AM=20 radios. So, Where is the problem with the AM band? Will IBOC be other calamity of the AM history? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Wed Aug 30 08:03:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33734 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2006 15:03:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2006 15:03:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80402.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.57) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2006 15:03:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 73406 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Aug 2006 15:02:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20060830150238.73404.qmail@web80402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.199.243.174] by web80402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:02:38 PDT Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:02:38 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=HG_0y-eo_4pISQ6_NUiO-hhfU7pEWO4_hb9Mndbt5E7PttEPTQ X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Reggaet=F3n" is not a new form of reggae. It is a fusion of Hip Hop, slasa= , Panamenian montunita, merengue with a touch of reggae and socca that deve= loped in Panama in the early 90's.=20 =20=20=20 The lyrics of reggaet=F3n are sensual, but not pornographic. Do you under= stasnd 100% of Puerto Rican slang?=20 jotape1960 wrote: I'm a teacher music too, I've worked with little church choirs si= nce 1978 and, of course, I've been into concert halls listening almost=20 all kind of music, from great composers (like Beethoven)=20 to "reggaeton" (a kind of new reggae, but very sexual or pornographic=20 messages)...=20 Visit Your Group=20 SPONSORED LINKS =20=20=20=20=20=20 Motorola radio battery=20=20 Stereo speaker=20=20 Motorola radio accessory=20=20 Stereo cabinets=20=20 Motorola radio dealer Yahoo! TV Staying in tonight? Check listings to see what is on. Y! GeoCities Be Interactive Create a conver- sation with blogs. Yahoo! Groups Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. . =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Aug 30 08:45:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35825 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2006 15:42:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2006 15:42:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s18.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.218) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2006 15:42:00 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.95]) by bay0-omc3-s18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:41:36 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:41:36 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.42 by BAY106-DAV23.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:41:29 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:41:29 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2006 15:41:36.0415 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6F3CAF0:01C6CC4A] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.218 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Reggaeton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=GmN2H0ogfM4bVIh3UDc6cvphCbp2HX8susBFULkBpEk3byZecp1rpwc-hNE X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's a fairly comprehensive article on the roots and history of Reggaeton: (and the article was last updated today) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reggaeton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 30 10:54:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16554 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2006 17:51:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2006 17:51:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2006 17:51:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2006 17:51:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2006 17:51:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:51:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.26.53.195 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: 1278 - The New Magic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=ekRR-GRDQDzgMs0yCBfLiq4FB161Rz-oVNtzg63TEhhnjMryD_YKeYRsQjXu9LtO9NSlNIBl X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote:=20 > >=20=20 >=20=20 > Good news of sorts. At least the station manager at Magic displays=20 a genuine desire to return to stereo. >=20=20 > The question is ... when??? >=20=20 > It can't be to easy in this dog eat dog world. >=20=20 > He's also sent me a zipped package of all the old Magic 693=20 jingles. I've unzipped them but still can't get them to play. They=20 are not mp3 files but do auto open iTunes ... so I'm probably half=20 way there. >=20=20 >=20=20 > Ian > Melbourne (where it's starting to look like Spring) >=20 > -----Original Message-----=20 > From: Gary Hoffman > Sent: Wed 8/30/2006 3:01 PM=20 > To: Davidson, Ian (CSIRO P&C, Clayton)=20 > Subject: RE: Stereo and jingles >=20=09 >=20=09 > The Optimod is gathering dust whilst our techs try to=20 establish whether or not our stereo exciter has been fixed. They get=20 different answers depending on who they talk to. The whole thing is=20 driving me crazy. We will be back in stereo..... one day. Our chief=20 tech says it could be a few weeks, but he said that three months ago. >=20=09=20 > On a happier note, please find attached a copy of the=20 original 693 jingle package. >=20=09=20 > Regards, > Gary >=20 > _____=20=20 >=20 > From: Ian.Davidson@... [mailto:Ian.Davidson@...]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 2:39 PM > To: Gary Hoffman > Subject: Stereo and jingles >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 > Hi Gary >=20=09=20 >=20=09=20 > A friend of mine in Canada told me a few months ago that=20 you'd bought a new stereo optimod. Is there any hope we'll hear=20 stereo again soon? >=20=09=20 >=20=09=20 > Also you said you'd see if someone at the station would send=20 me some mp3s of your old Magic 693 jingles. I'd still love to have=20 some. >=20=09=20 >=20=09=20 > cheers >=20=09=20 > Ian >=20=09=20 > (btw - I like your new slogan.) > Hi Ian You mite try Winamp. That mite work. Jim Smith From amdavid@pacbell.net Wed Aug 30 11:22:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63269 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2006 18:22:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2006 18:22:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80409.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.64) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2006 18:22:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 2981 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Aug 2006 18:22:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20060830182231.2979.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.199.186.210] by web80409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:22:31 PDT Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:22:31 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Reggaeton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=rqLed6U4qnaicPYLIOJak_QTv5Tr9wCb7axOSilS8Sfm3nBw-g X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That definition is somewhat close to the truth. The timeline is that first came Spanish rap, in the last part of the 80's. Then, it modified with multiple caribbean influences such as salsa and bachata as well as reggae and socca and mixed in the hip hop vocal style to become reggaeton about a decade or so ago... There is very little bomba or plena influence, if any... in fact, the first reggaetton came from Panama where those two styles are totally unknown. There is more influence from montunita, a Panamenian style. Still, compared to what I have seen, not a bad description. It does clarify that there is no porno lyrics, and it is nothing like gangsta rap or hip hop. Donn Tillman wrote: Here's a fairly comprehensive article on the roots and history of Reggaeton: (and the article was last updated today) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reggaeton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Aug 30 12:38:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87280 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2006 19:34:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2006 19:34:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s28.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.164) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2006 19:34:06 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.11]) by bay0-omc2-s28.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:33:42 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:33:41 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 19:33:36 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 19:33:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2006 19:33:41.0582 (UTC) FILETIME=[32FFA6E0:01C6CC6B] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=AcvrhdfIxLogc6aYOF5pPotJ-bEsh7CfyPiI5K-WK9jkKYB1fULmse7hM4c X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo My opinion is if the FCC, corporate radio programmers , engineers and manufacturers of receivers stay the course, then AM will probably be dead with 5 - 7 years and FM could be history in another 10 - 15 years; if all of the above adjust the course and produce better radios, better programming and better sound quality, then terrestrial radio could thrive for another 20 - 30 years. I remember as a teenager growing up in the mid 60's to early 70's dx'ing the Cuban stations during the day and I was amazed that even though I could pick up about 8 or 9 Cuban stations, the programming was basically the same, there was Radio Reloj, another news network and some music programming and that was it, plenty of stations but the programming choices were very limited, it's as though the NAB and the powers that be are using AM radio in Cuba as a model; scan across the dial now and the U.S. stations all have basically the same programming, very little live and local or community radio. Scan the am band at night and it seems that every third station is broadcasting "Coast to Coast" or ESPN, many stations, poor audio quality and little programming choices. Am radio is not dead yet, but in many markets is on life support. So Juan, we are not far behind Chile in destroying the AM band, unfortunately. Donn, St Petersburg From: "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:24:56 -0700 > >Well, I really wanna know if it's the same in USA and other >countries. Please, excuse my insistence but try to understand me: I >LOVE AM!!! Every comments in this forum help me (and I think to all >of us) to enrich my knowledge and I thank you so much for it. > >I would believe everyone on this list loves AM radio as well. Sadly, in the >USA, AM radio is falling into disuse. In a few years, AM will be left on >the >side of the road dead. The music format has moved to FM and AM had talk and >news. Now even the talk and news is moving to FM and even FM is becoming >digital. > >Analog AM and FM radio in the USA will probably be gone in the next 25 >years, >supplanted by digital signals if there is anything. > >I can see radio being sent over satellite and WiFi then AM and FM will be >largely forgotten as will radio as we currently know it. > >Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Wed Aug 30 14:12:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85257 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2006 21:08:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2006 21:08:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80407.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.62) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2006 21:08:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 45385 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Aug 2006 21:08:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20060830210811.45377.qmail@web80407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.199.186.210] by web80407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:08:11 PDT Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:08:11 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=WPUQNY9J9JdhjHlKi7LCf57ZG_vgint_31KAHrMvs1HrpJQV9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Corporate radio programers are guides, not program directors. The assist the local markets to do the best possible things. Engineers try, in my experience, to create the most listenable sound possible, and radio manufacturers are not controlled by the radio industry. AM is near dead now. The listening share in th 12 to 44 year old span is less than 10%, and it is only a tiny bit better in 45-54. Yet in 55+, more than 40% of listening is to AM. Unfortunately, there is almost no radio revenue from 55+, so unless something radical is done, AM will assume a small, niche status in then next 5 to 10 years. I find your Cuban comment ingenuous. Each of the "stations" you name is actually a network, and each separate "place on the dial" is intrended to serve one specific part of Cuba an no other. Each larger city in Cuba has the major networks, as well as a variety of local AMs and FMs that are not networked. In the US, you have 2000 country staitons. Most of them play significantly the same playlists of artists and songs. This is normal... as the same songs are going to be hits in about the same proportion everywhere amng partisans of the format. And the format is replicated hundreds of times over, as the guy in Yakima can not listden to the contry station in Peoria. This is not sameness... this is letting everyone have a local country station that plays the best country music. Most US stations are local.. they may take some syndicated programming, but they are local. In fact, radio is far more local than TV. Yet people are not watching less TV because Jay Leno is not live in thier own market. This is the reason at night there are about 400 coast to coast stations. each is principally serving the local market and none other. Very few people have to DX to get the show, as advertisers are buying each market in a group, not skywave coverage (since this generates essentially no ratings). Donn Tillman wrote: My opinion is if the FCC, corporate radio programmers , engineers and manufacturers of receivers stay the course, then AM will probably be dead with 5 - 7 years and FM could be history in another 10 - 15 years; if all of the above adjust the course and produce better radios, better programming and better sound quality, then terrestrial radio could thrive for another 20 - 30 years. I remember as a teenager growing up in the mid 60's to early 70's dx'ing the Cuban stations during the day and I was amazed that even though I could pick up about 8 or 9 Cuban stations, the programming was basically the same, there was Radio Reloj, another news network and some music programming and that was it, plenty of stations but the programming choices were very limited, it's as though the NAB and the powers that be are using AM radio in Cuba as a model; scan across the dial now and the U.S. stations all have basically the same programming, very little live and local or community radio. Scan the am band at night and it seems that every third station is broadcasting "Coast to Coast" or ESPN, many stations, poor audio quality and little programming choices. Am radio is not dead yet, but in many markets is on life support. Visit Your Group SPONSORED LINKS Motorola radio battery Stereo speaker Motorola radio accessory Stereo cabinets Motorola radio dealer Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Aug 30 15:36:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90733 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2006 22:19:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2006 22:19:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.228) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2006 22:19:23 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.16]) by bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:19:18 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:19:18 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:19:15 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:19:15 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2006 22:19:18.0259 (UTC) FILETIME=[55B83C30:01C6CC82] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=k91VkT6TYHph_vtHmPm3jDH_iCLWLUbHxMqEaU9pk4i6NcXh8NYgnN0QNa4 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo "I find your Cuban comment ingenuous" Thank you! , I'll take either definition as a compliment.(especially definition # 2!) :) Entries found for "ingenuous" ingenuous adj 1. showing innocence and a lack of worldly experience 2. appearing honest and direct --------------------------------------------------- As far as the people for corporate radio that make the decisions as to what format will increase the bottom line for their particular demographics, very few are going with music on the AM band, so you do have what amounts to "informal networks".(as opposed to the government networks in Cuba- the end result being the same, very little choice). I can listen to Rush on three different stations here, can hear Michael Savage on two stations; maybe it's peculiar to Florida, but there's nothing local about these stations, other than their transmitter sites, all the ads are the network ads for national products. Two AM stations in this top 20 radio market of over 19 AM stations, are live and local during morning drive time, then they go to satellite programming except about 90 seconds of local news and weather at the top of the hour. On the fm band, I am aware that most play music and most (at least during the day) are not satellite. There is little or no news or traffic on these stations other than afternoon and morning drive times; but that's alright, that seems to satisfy most people. If I need traffic info and weather outside of morning or afternoon drive times, I'm fortunate that my area is one covered by an XM weather and traffic channel. And in the event of a hurricane or tropical storm, the corporate stations do rise to the occasion, those that still have newsrooms, put them in full operation, while others simulcast local tv news or our Bay News 9, a 24 hour a day local and state news channel. btw- I wasn't trying to insult anyone's profession, but it does get frustrating at time trying to find good radio programming, but I wanted to stress that the companies that produce receivers are equally to blame. RCA and Sony as well as others have certainly slipped and it's almost as though both the AM band and FM band were put in as an afterthought. btw-2 Local businesses that want to advertise on radio, for the most part limited to what few "mom and pop" stations that are left or spend really big bucks for tv ads which basically only air during local newscasts. Donn, St Petersburg,FL ----------------------------------------- ----Original Message Follows---- From: David Gleason Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Corporate radio programers are guides, not program directors. The assist the local markets to do the best possible things. Engineers try, in my experience, to create the most listenable sound possible, and radio manufacturers are not controlled by the radio industry. AM is near dead now. The listening share in th 12 to 44 year old span is less than 10%, and it is only a tiny bit better in 45-54. Yet in 55+, more than 40% of listening is to AM. Unfortunately, there is almost no radio revenue from 55+, so unless something radical is done, AM will assume a small, niche status in then next 5 to 10 years. I find your Cuban comment ingenuous. Each of the "stations" you name is actually a network, and each separate "place on the dial" is intrended to serve one specific part of Cuba an no other. Each larger city in Cuba has the major networks, as well as a variety of local AMs and FMs that are not networked. In the US, you have 2000 country staitons. Most of them play significantly the same playlists of artists and songs. This is normal... as the same songs are going to be hits in about the same proportion everywhere amng partisans of the format. And the format is replicated hundreds of times over, as the guy in Yakima can not listden to the contry station in Peoria. This is not sameness... this is letting everyone have a local country station that plays the best country music. Most US stations are local.. they may take some syndicated programming, but they are local. In fact, radio is far more local than TV. Yet people are not watching less TV because Jay Leno is not live in thier own market. From amdavid@pacbell.net Wed Aug 30 18:41:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87621 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 01:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 01:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80405.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.60) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 01:41:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 116 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Aug 2006 01:41:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20060831014105.114.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.199.186.210] by web80405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:41:04 PDT Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:41:04 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=3hbG2W9a0fnFKP3gKJL_y8Kcw2BM4MURln_Q8CFyCYhbVZFiGg X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The decisions on formats on professionally run stations are made by listeners based on talking to them in significant groups about what they want, buth in formats and indivudual songs. None of us makes decisions without consulting the listener first. Of course, we only select formats that attract listeners that advertisers desire to reach. So no teens, no over-55's. It has been proven that very few people outside of ultra-rural areas listen to AMs outside the 5 mv/m signal in lesser populated areas to about 10 mv/m in noisy metros. This has been seen in analysis of many millions of Arbitron radio ratings diaries, and so if you can "hear" a weak signal, it does not mean anyone listens... they probably don't. Rush is on 600 stations, and nearly none of them overlap in usable coverage. In most markets, there are one or two stations that listeners go to for infomation, and they expect the others to suht up and play music for whatever mood they are in. The good thing about deregulation is that we do not have to be forced to listen to news and stuff on stations that are tuned in for music... Many "national" spots are actually local. The advertiser buys the same show for local exposure in many markets. Syndicated shows take some of the inventory for network spots, but most of it is controlled locally, so what you are hearing is local buys for national accounts. In most larger markets, mom and pop locations can not afford full market media. That not only includes local radio, but TV as well and anything significant in print. Donn Tillman wrote: As far as the people for corporate radio that make the decisions as to what format will increase the bottom line for their particular demographics, very few are going with music on the AM band, so you do have what amounts to "informal networks".(as opposed to the government networks in Cuba- the end result being the same, very little choice). I can listen to Rush on three different stations here, can hear Michael Savage on two stations; maybe it's peculiar to Florida, but there's nothing local about these stations, other than their transmitter sites, all the ads are the network ads for national products. Two AM stations in this top 20 radio market of over 19 AM stations, are live and local during morning drive time, then they go to satellite programming except about 90 seconds of local news and weather at the top of the hour. On the fm band, I am aware that most play music and most (at least during the day) are not satellite. There is little or no news or traffic on these stations other than afternoon and morning drive times; but that's alright, that seems to satisfy most people. If I need traffic info and weather outside of morning or afternoon drive times, I'm fortunate that my area is one covered by an XM weather and traffic channel. And in the event of a hurricane or tropical storm, the corporate stations do rise to the occasion, those that still have newsrooms, put them in full operation, while others simulcast local tv news or our Bay News 9, a 24 hour a day local and state news channel. btw- I wasn't trying to insult anyone's profession, but it does get frustrating at time trying to find good radio programming, but I wanted to stress that the companies that produce receivers are equally to blame. RCA and Sony as well as others have certainly slipped and it's almost as though both the AM band and FM band were put in as an afterthought. btw-2 Local businesses that want to advertise on radio, for the most part limited to what few "mom and pop" stations that are left or spend really big bucks for tv ads which basically only air during local newscasts. Donn, St Petersburg,FL ----------------------------------------- ----Original Message Follows---- From: David Gleason Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Corporate radio programers are guides, not program directors. The assist the local markets to do the best possible things. Engineers try, in my experience, to create the most listenable sound possible, and radio manufacturers are not controlled by the radio industry. AM is near dead now. The listening share in th 12 to 44 year old span is less than 10%, and it is only a tiny bit better in 45-54. Yet in 55+, more than 40% of listening is to AM. Unfortunately, there is almost no radio revenue from 55+, so unless something radical is done, AM will assume a small, niche status in then next 5 to 10 years. I find your Cuban comment ingenuous. Each of the "stations" you name is actually a network, and each separate "place on the dial" is intrended to serve one specific part of Cuba an no other. Each larger city in Cuba has the major networks, as well as a variety of local AMs and FMs that are not networked. In the US, you have 2000 country staitons. Most of them play significantly the same playlists of artists and songs. This is normal... as the same songs are going to be hits in about the same proportion everywhere amng partisans of the format. And the format is replicated hundreds of times over, as the guy in Yakima can not listden to the contry station in Peoria. This is not sameness... this is letting everyone have a local country station that plays the best country music. Most US stations are local.. they may take some syndicated programming, but they are local. In fact, radio is far more local than TV. Yet people are not watching less TV because Jay Leno is not live in thier own market. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Wed Aug 30 19:18:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64285 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 02:18:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 02:18:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO act-MTAout2.csiro.au) (150.229.7.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 02:18:03 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.56]) by act-MTAout2.csiro.au with ESMTP; 31 Aug 2006 12:14:46 +1000 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.08,191,1154872800"; d="dat'59?scan'59,208,59"; a="108439429:sNHT1204328784" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:14:08 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:14:08 +1000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Re: 1278 - The New Magic Thread-Index: AcbMXVVHwa4z0LnZRwe9J8dDjKxcqgARY5CN References: To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2006 02:14:08.0698 (UTC) FILETIME=[244699A0:01C6CCA3] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.7.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: 1278 - The New Magic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=OIJGdVeHM-8vQIRnbP-buKqVDrvXGhAGdcokeXHQDXof Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: jim smith Hi Ian You mite try Winamp. That mite work. Jim Smith Thanks Jim Keep punching for AMS! Ian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Wed Aug 30 19:24:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53678 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 02:24:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 02:24:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO act-MTAout6.csiro.au) (150.229.7.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 02:24:44 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.56]) by act-MTAout6.csiro.au with ESMTP; 31 Aug 2006 12:23:26 +1000 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.08,191,1154872800"; d="dat'59?scan'59,208,59"; a="108441020:sNHT2217015696" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:22:47 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:22:47 +1000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question Thread-Index: AcbMhMC12t1pILaES5K6hSPlZkCCewAHxeNu References: To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2006 02:22:47.0844 (UTC) FILETIME=[59B5FE40:01C6CCA4] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.7.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=9XJbptl0LvV4MmnovyKjRG-87yETsXkHriac9hvh5UEQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Donn Tillman btw- I wasn't trying to insult anyone's profession, but it does get frustrating at time trying to find good radio programming, but I wanted to stress that the companies that produce receivers are equally to blame. RCA and Sony as well as others have certainly slipped and it's almost as though both the AM band and FM band were put in as an afterthought. How is the Music of Your Life format going in the US? I enjoyed the tapes of WSUN a few years ago. Is this format still alive? Ian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Aug 30 19:29:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84463 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 02:28:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 02:28:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52204.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.127) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 02:28:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 85535 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Aug 2006 02:27:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20060831022739.85533.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.216.199] by web52204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 19:27:39 PDT Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 19:27:39 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.127 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=QOGGHUqxuEMShwzeC5DAT-5gDIlBLS82F0YfRsRFoIs X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Ian.Davidson@csiro.au wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donn Tillman > > btw- I wasn't trying to insult anyone's profession, > but it does get > frustrating at time trying to find good radio > programming, but I wanted to > stress that the companies that produce receivers are > equally to blame. RCA > and Sony as well as others have certainly slipped > and it's almost as though > both the AM band and FM band were put in as an > afterthought. Sony is still there making cheap stuff. RCA no longer exists as a "real" company anymore. Even the GE / RCA TV line that Thompson ( I know I spelled it wrong) has been sold to a Chinese manufacturer. The previous owner made mediocre at best TV sets. The RCA name for radios.......HAH! Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Wed Aug 30 19:39:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68124 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 02:37:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 02:37:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO act-MTAout4.csiro.au) (150.229.7.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 02:37:32 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.56]) by act-MTAout4.csiro.au with ESMTP; 31 Aug 2006 12:37:17 +1000 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.08,191,1154872800"; d="dat'59?scan'59,208,59"; a="108443305:sNHT26727824" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:36:56 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:36:55 +1000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question Thread-Index: AcbMnpUvQajxEdZiQWyGqZRj+Pv+8gABjuu0 References: <20060831014105.114.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2006 02:36:56.0250 (UTC) FILETIME=[536679A0:01C6CCA6] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.7.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=IYkxihjx3VDkssTLoDSIWq8k2QJT6opXOSVCS1YIkGid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: David Gleason Of course, we only select formats that attract listeners that advertisers desire to reach. So no teens, no over-55's. And therein lies the problem. Fancy writing off such a huge market! In Melbourne two of the top three stations broadcast mostly to the over 50s. And they're on the AM band. It's true that mature listeners are less prone to try new trendy products just because of a whim. But it would seem that your ingeneous advertising guys (pigtails?) need to be a bit more informative and creative. Perhaps honest advertising would be a good start. Ian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Wed Aug 30 20:00:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62658 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 02:57:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 02:57:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 02:57:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 02:57:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 02:57:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 02:57:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.108.129.144 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=6Kp0Si1YE4gGQNSOZrk2wIZ6D3dGuRYVC7zApTmBvJxj-9I8HZLn4Q X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman" = wrote: > >=20=20 > Am radio is not dead yet, but in many markets is on life support. While there is truth to what you say about AM, what I find interesting is t= hat out of the top=20 10 markets 80% have an AM station that is either at #1 or is in the top 3. This tells me that: 1) AM is still viable, 2) people will listen to AM desp= ite mediocre sound=20 quality, which debunks the IBOC-supporters notion that better-sounding audi= o will save=20 the AM band, and 3) the mantra about programming is the key. Granted all of the top-rated AM stations are talkers but that, along with e= thnic, religious=20 and local programming, may be the role AM will play both now and in the fut= ure (inspite of=20 Bill Norman's splendid efforts to showcase AM as a music medium) instead of= going the=20 way of the dodo as many fear. db >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question > Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:24:56 -0700 >=20 > > > >Well, I really wanna know if it's the same in USA and other > >countries. Please, excuse my insistence but try to understand me: I > >LOVE AM!!! Every comments in this forum help me (and I think to all > >of us) to enrich my knowledge and I thank you so much for it. > > > >I would believe everyone on this list loves AM radio as well. Sadly, in = the > >USA, AM radio is falling into disuse. In a few years, AM will be left on= =20 > >the > >side of the road dead. The music format has moved to FM and AM had talk = and > >news. Now even the talk and news is moving to FM and even FM is becoming > >digital. > > > >Analog AM and FM radio in the USA will probably be gone in the next 25=20 > >years, > >supplanted by digital signals if there is anything. > > > >I can see radio being sent over satellite and WiFi then AM and FM will b= e > >largely forgotten as will radio as we currently know it. > > > >Kevin >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From amdavid@pacbell.net Wed Aug 30 21:36:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77941 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 04:35:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 04:35:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80405.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.60) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 04:35:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 60157 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Aug 2006 04:35:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20060831043509.60152.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.199.186.210] by web80405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:35:09 PDT Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:35:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=aqS8Fvs1TdboAQSDkbXeQ7LIGVhLR4b6WJB1aQ-ZIi-fQmynaw X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the US, radio is nearly 100% powerless to influence the instructions advertisers give to their ad agencies or ad departments. As an example, the LA market, which will bill $1.1 billion in radio this year, has had no buys against 55+ this year. And there are pretty much no teen buys any more. The basis for this comes from extensive behavioural research at the client level in whiich either the product design or packaging is aimed at a different audience. The olther issue is that, as a function of age, the amount of advertising necessary to produce a sale is such that advertising to older group may produce a loss based on cost of sale. With nearly 100 markets of over 1 million, and a total market of 300 million, advertisers can afford to look only at the markets where there is proven profitability. Again, the ad agencies are not part of this decision; it is the marketing department of each manufacturer or service provider. Ian.Davidson@csiro.au wrote: -----Original Message----- From: David Gleason Of course, we only select formats that attract listeners that advertisers desire to reach. So no teens, no over-55's. And therein lies the problem. Fancy writing off such a huge market! In Melbourne two of the top three stations broadcast mostly to the over 50s. And they're on the AM band. It's true that mature listeners are less prone to try new trendy products just because of a whim. But it would seem that your ingeneous advertising guys (pigtails?) need to be a bit more informative and creative. Perhaps honest advertising would be a good start. Ian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Wed Aug 30 21:37:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65156 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 04:37:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 04:37:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 04:37:57 -0000 Received: from [4.247.124.123] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GIeJO-0006xl-SK for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 00:37:56 -0400 Message-ID: <380-22006843143755759@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.112.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 00:37:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc46463e0301c5bf042ed008424afee879350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=FMHbttenE730UzV25_9Gc14u6jpJFBBj9K-Bec2c9i7YEw My impression is that the specialization of formats is driving listeners away. I know very few people who listen to radios outside of playing the radio in their car. Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: David Gleason > To: > Date: 8/30/2006 9:41:52 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question > > The decisions on formats on professionally run stations are made by listeners based on talking to them in significant groups about what they want, buth in formats and indivudual songs. None of us makes decisions without consulting the listener first. > > Of course, we only select formats that attract listeners that advertisers desire to reach. So no teens, no over-55's. > > It has been proven that very few people outside of ultra-rural areas listen to AMs outside the 5 mv/m signal in lesser populated areas to about 10 mv/m in noisy metros. This has been seen in analysis of many millions of Arbitron radio ratings diaries, and so if you can "hear" a weak signal, it does not mean anyone listens... they probably don't. Rush is on 600 stations, and nearly none of them overlap in usable coverage. > > In most markets, there are one or two stations that listeners go to for infomation, and they expect the others to suht up and play music for whatever mood they are in. The good thing about deregulation is that we do not have to be forced to listen to news and stuff on stations that are tuned in for music... > > Many "national" spots are actually local. The advertiser buys the same show for local exposure in many markets. Syndicated shows take some of the inventory for network spots, but most of it is controlled locally, so what you are hearing is local buys for national accounts. > > In most larger markets, mom and pop locations can not afford full market media. That not only includes local radio, but TV as well and anything significant in print. > > Donn Tillman wrote: > > > As far as the people for corporate radio that make the decisions as to what > format will increase the bottom line for their particular demographics, very > few are going with music on the AM band, so you do have what amounts to > "informal networks".(as opposed to the government networks in Cuba- the end > result being the same, very little choice). > > I can listen to Rush on three different stations here, can hear Michael > Savage on two stations; maybe it's peculiar to Florida, but there's nothing > local about these stations, other than their transmitter sites, all the ads > are the network ads for national products. Two AM stations in this top 20 > radio market of over 19 AM stations, are live and local during morning drive > time, then they go to satellite programming except about 90 seconds of local > news and weather at the top of the hour. > > On the fm band, I am aware that most play music and most (at least during > the day) are not satellite. There is little or no news or traffic on these > stations other than afternoon and morning drive times; but that's alright, > that seems to satisfy most people. > > If I need traffic info and weather outside of morning or afternoon drive > times, I'm fortunate that my area is one covered by an XM weather and > traffic channel. > > And in the event of a hurricane or tropical storm, the corporate stations do > rise to the occasion, those that still have newsrooms, put them in full > operation, while others simulcast local tv news or our Bay News 9, a 24 hour > a day local and state news channel. > > btw- I wasn't trying to insult anyone's profession, but it does get > frustrating at time trying to find good radio programming, but I wanted to > stress that the companies that produce receivers are equally to blame. RCA > and Sony as well as others have certainly slipped and it's almost as though > both the AM band and FM band were put in as an afterthought. > > btw-2 Local businesses that want to advertise on radio, for the most part > limited to what few "mom and pop" stations that are left or spend really big > bucks for tv ads which basically only air during local newscasts. > > Donn, > St Petersburg,FL > ----------------------------------------- > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: David Gleason > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:08:11 -0700 (PDT) > > Corporate radio programers are guides, not program directors. The assist the > local markets to do the best possible things. Engineers try, in my > experience, to create the most listenable sound possible, and radio > manufacturers are not controlled by the radio industry. > > AM is near dead now. The listening share in th 12 to 44 year old span is > less than 10%, and it is only a tiny bit better in 45-54. Yet in 55+, more > than 40% of listening is to AM. Unfortunately, there is almost no radio > revenue from 55+, so unless something radical is done, AM will assume a > small, niche status in then next 5 to 10 years. > > I find your Cuban comment ingenuous. Each of the "stations" you name is > actually a network, and each separate "place on the dial" is intrended to > serve one specific part of Cuba an no other. Each larger city in Cuba has > the major networks, as well as a variety of local AMs and FMs that are not > networked. > > In the US, you have 2000 country staitons. Most of them play > significantly the same playlists of artists and songs. This is normal... as > the same songs are going to be hits in about the same proportion everywhere > amng partisans of the format. And the format is replicated hundreds of times > over, as the guy in Yakima can not listden to the contry station in Peoria. > This is not sameness... this is letting everyone have a local country > station that plays the best country music. > > Most US stations are local.. they may take some syndicated programming, > but they are local. In fact, radio is far more local than TV. Yet people are > not watching less TV because Jay Leno is not live in thier own market. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From amdavid@pacbell.net Wed Aug 30 21:40:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65624 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 04:40:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 04:40:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80403.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.58) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 04:40:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 88470 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Aug 2006 04:39:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20060831043929.88468.qmail@web80403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.199.186.210] by web80403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:39:29 PDT Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:39:29 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=lfdOLcH2W05exwJy-PMDP7ux03YHUJwAiP1vC3r7ozLhAxCyWA X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Most markets only have one or two AMs that fully cover the market. One news talker and one sports station. Exclusive audiences, but the audience is mostly over 55 and thus not salable. KGO in San Francisco is #1 12+. But it is not even Top 10 in 25-54, where most sales dollars are. This is the problem in looking at the 12+ ratings published in magazines and on line. This data is given away free by Arbitron... and it is worth every cent you pay for it. AM has nearly no listening under age 45. In a few years, it will have no listening under 55. dbdigital2004 wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman" wrote: > > > Am radio is not dead yet, but in many markets is on life support. While there is truth to what you say about AM, what I find interesting is that out of the top 10 markets 80% have an AM station that is either at #1 or is in the top 3. This tells me that: 1) AM is still viable, 2) people will listen to AM despite mediocre sound quality, which debunks the IBOC-supporters notion that better-sounding audio will save the AM band, and 3) the mantra about programming is the key. Granted all of the top-rated AM stations are talkers but that, along with ethnic, religious and local programming, may be the role AM will play both now and in the future (inspite of Bill Norman's splendid efforts to showcase AM as a music medium) instead of going the way of the dodo as many fear. db > > > > > > > > > > From: "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question > Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:24:56 -0700 > > > > >Well, I really wanna know if it's the same in USA and other > >countries. Please, excuse my insistence but try to understand me: I > >LOVE AM!!! Every comments in this forum help me (and I think to all > >of us) to enrich my knowledge and I thank you so much for it. > > > >I would believe everyone on this list loves AM radio as well. Sadly, in the > >USA, AM radio is falling into disuse. In a few years, AM will be left on > >the > >side of the road dead. The music format has moved to FM and AM had talk and > >news. Now even the talk and news is moving to FM and even FM is becoming > >digital. > > > >Analog AM and FM radio in the USA will probably be gone in the next 25 > >years, > >supplanted by digital signals if there is anything. > > > >I can see radio being sent over satellite and WiFi then AM and FM will be > >largely forgotten as will radio as we currently know it. > > > >Kevin > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Wed Aug 30 21:43:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49220 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 04:43:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 04:43:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80410.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.65) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 04:43:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 14392 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Aug 2006 04:43:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20060831044307.14390.qmail@web80410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.199.186.210] by web80410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:43:07 PDT Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:43:07 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <380-22006843143755759@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=NElbBDoZ8YG3ExE6Uq9tPkgTu6yPLPTnCDtkMeu2jD_J2W8kAA X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the sales demos, 18-54, there is no erosion in listening. the levels are the same as 20 years ago. And 30% or less of listening takes place in the car. "Dick W." wrote: My impression is that the specialization of formats is driving listeners away. I know very few people who listen to radios outside of playing the radio in their car. Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: David Gleason > To: > Date: 8/30/2006 9:41:52 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question > > The decisions on formats on professionally run stations are made by listeners based on talking to them in significant groups about what they want, buth in formats and indivudual songs. None of us makes decisions without consulting the listener first. > > Of course, we only select formats that attract listeners that advertisers desire to reach. So no teens, no over-55's. > > It has been proven that very few people outside of ultra-rural areas listen to AMs outside the 5 mv/m signal in lesser populated areas to about 10 mv/m in noisy metros. This has been seen in analysis of many millions of Arbitron radio ratings diaries, and so if you can "hear" a weak signal, it does not mean anyone listens... they probably don't. Rush is on 600 stations, and nearly none of them overlap in usable coverage. > > In most markets, there are one or two stations that listeners go to for infomation, and they expect the others to suht up and play music for whatever mood they are in. The good thing about deregulation is that we do not have to be forced to listen to news and stuff on stations that are tuned in for music... > > Many "national" spots are actually local. The advertiser buys the same show for local exposure in many markets. Syndicated shows take some of the inventory for network spots, but most of it is controlled locally, so what you are hearing is local buys for national accounts. > > In most larger markets, mom and pop locations can not afford full market media. That not only includes local radio, but TV as well and anything significant in print. > > Donn Tillman wrote: > > > As far as the people for corporate radio that make the decisions as to what > format will increase the bottom line for their particular demographics, very > few are going with music on the AM band, so you do have what amounts to > "informal networks".(as opposed to the government networks in Cuba- the end > result being the same, very little choice). > > I can listen to Rush on three different stations here, can hear Michael > Savage on two stations; maybe it's peculiar to Florida, but there's nothing > local about these stations, other than their transmitter sites, all the ads > are the network ads for national products. Two AM stations in this top 20 > radio market of over 19 AM stations, are live and local during morning drive > time, then they go to satellite programming except about 90 seconds of local > news and weather at the top of the hour. > > On the fm band, I am aware that most play music and most (at least during > the day) are not satellite. There is little or no news or traffic on these > stations other than afternoon and morning drive times; but that's alright, > that seems to satisfy most people. > > If I need traffic info and weather outside of morning or afternoon drive > times, I'm fortunate that my area is one covered by an XM weather and > traffic channel. > > And in the event of a hurricane or tropical storm, the corporate stations do > rise to the occasion, those that still have newsrooms, put them in full > operation, while others simulcast local tv news or our Bay News 9, a 24 hour > a day local and state news channel. > > btw- I wasn't trying to insult anyone's profession, but it does get > frustrating at time trying to find good radio programming, but I wanted to > stress that the companies that produce receivers are equally to blame. RCA > and Sony as well as others have certainly slipped and it's almost as though > both the AM band and FM band were put in as an afterthought. > > btw-2 Local businesses that want to advertise on radio, for the most part > limited to what few "mom and pop" stations that are left or spend really big > bucks for tv ads which basically only air during local newscasts. > > Donn, > St Petersburg,FL > ----------------------------------------- > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: David Gleason > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:08:11 -0700 (PDT) > > Corporate radio programers are guides, not program directors. The assist the > local markets to do the best possible things. Engineers try, in my > experience, to create the most listenable sound possible, and radio > manufacturers are not controlled by the radio industry. > > AM is near dead now. The listening share in th 12 to 44 year old span is > less than 10%, and it is only a tiny bit better in 45-54. Yet in 55+, more > than 40% of listening is to AM. Unfortunately, there is almost no radio > revenue from 55+, so unless something radical is done, AM will assume a > small, niche status in then next 5 to 10 years. > > I find your Cuban comment ingenuous. Each of the "stations" you name is > actually a network, and each separate "place on the dial" is intrended to > serve one specific part of Cuba an no other. Each larger city in Cuba has > the major networks, as well as a variety of local AMs and FMs that are not > networked. > > In the US, you have 2000 country staitons. Most of them play > significantly the same playlists of artists and songs. This is normal... as > the same songs are going to be hits in about the same proportion everywhere > amng partisans of the format. And the format is replicated hundreds of times > over, as the guy in Yakima can not listden to the contry station in Peoria. > This is not sameness... this is letting everyone have a local country > station that plays the best country music. > > Most US stations are local.. they may take some syndicated programming, > but they are local. In fact, radio is far more local than TV. Yet people are > not watching less TV because Jay Leno is not live in thier own market. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Aug 31 06:52:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93204 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 13:52:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 13:52:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 13:52:00 -0000 Received: from fl-71-49-12-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net ([71.49.12.212] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GImty-0003Eq-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:48:14 -0400 Message-ID: <022d01c6cd04$1a1d2a00$1f04a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:48:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=IzRwuhwbDehatCUX0R4l5hmh43M1OtFgXtixsGBvUPxzO3H52c9jiUjt2Dx5Uw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Ian.Davidson@csiro.au wrote: > How is the Music of Your Life format going in the US? > > I enjoyed the tapes of WSUN a few years ago. Is this format still alive? YES! And you can even listen to it online at http://www.musicofyourlife.com/ By looking at the long list of radio stations that carry to programming, it looks like Music Of Your Life will be around for a while. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Aug 31 09:02:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8846 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 15:58:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 15:58:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 15:58:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 15:58:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 15:58:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:58:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.95 From: "jotape1960" Subject: AM problems, reggaeton and other herbs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=-vw7RxHp7Td5V8WgjMfD06MFfKOIwl_FgXD1TvAdMa-ia1zmrg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI AM FANS!!!!!!! Please boys: if somebody sings "Baby I wanna fuck you" and the=20 dancers move their bodies copying the intime sexual movements... AND=20 YOU TOLD ME IT'S NOT SEXUAL AND PORNOGRAPH? Please!!! Whatever, I'm not against reggeaton or any other music. Ev'rybody has=20 rights to hear that ev'rybody wants to hear!!! David, you wrote something time ago about Leonard Kahn was the guilty=20 of the AM Stereo death, I'm not agree with you. I think FCC and Motorola killed the AM Stereo. First FCC because AM Stereo could have been on air since 1958 (Kahn=20 proposed ISB AM Stereo that year) but FCC prefered to "help" the new=20 FM band. Second Motorola because they played dirty: they proposed their system=20 and, at the same time, filled the market with the only one decoder=20 chip (of course, a C-QUAM chip). Kahn wasn't a tuners maker. I think we must to thank Kahn because he was a brave defender of the=20 full liberty to choice what we want to choice. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Aug 31 11:00:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72936 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 18:00:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 18:00:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s33.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.233) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 18:00:46 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.27]) by bay0-omc3-s33.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:59:39 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:59:39 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 17:59:36 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 17:59:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2006 17:59:39.0208 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A4B7480:01C6CD27] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: TS Ernesto..... or gee, this might be a good time to change the subject! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=r-cqpv3z9iiOdfpJsWxRit7pWuSe5XeM1utG8-tnCwMGU8nf6HObwRZR5Vc X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Hi Bill, Listening to your stream now, just heard Paul Anka and the Left Banke; also heard an advertisement for Tillman's insurance agency. (no relation). I'm glad your focus groups and consultants didn't vote for infomercial radio. (we have a ClearChannel station here that is about 50 percent infomercial during the week and about 75 percent infomercials during the weekend, don't know where they got that focus group from or how their survey was worded that preferred infomercials, but at least they're getting what they wanted) Hope all is well and Ernesto fizzles out like it did here and doesn't cause any damage. Take care. Donn Tillman, St Petersburg,FL, I've turned off the XM for now and am enjoying WNMB 900 AM-stereo! From tomray@wor710.com Thu Aug 31 11:16:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42510 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 18:11:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 18:11:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.181) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 18:11:52 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 18:10:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 18:10:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 18:10:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:10:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: AM problems, reggaeton and other herbs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=1zPylWdZnoNyWwejaj3-tf8rsjk7Pv0Uk0q082D7nfsdKaUj X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > HI AM FANS!!!!!!! >=20 > David, you wrote something time ago about Leonard Kahn was the=20 guilty=20 > of the AM Stereo death, I'm not agree with you. >=20 > I think FCC and Motorola killed the AM Stereo. >=20 > First FCC because AM Stereo could have been on air since 1958=20 (Kahn=20 > proposed ISB AM Stereo that year) but FCC prefered to "help" the=20 new=20 > FM band. [TR] And if the proposed system worked correctly and had merit, it=20 would most likely have been approved. It wasn't. What does that=20 tell you? >=20 > Second Motorola because they played dirty: they proposed their=20 system=20 > and, at the same time, filled the market with the only one decoder=20 > chip (of course, a C-QUAM chip). Kahn wasn't a tuners maker. [TR] Motorola isn't a tuner maker, either. This is called free=20 market. Motorola had the $, the technology, and the marketing=20 behind them, and RECEIVER MANUFACTURERS produced radios with the=20 Motorola chip. It's the golden rule...he who has the gold, rules. [TR] And what do Motorola only radios have to do with the issue?=20=20 The system was on the air at a majority of stations....the vast=20 majority of radios available could decode the Motorola system.=20=20 Where is the problem? May the man with the most marketing dollars=20 win. >=20 > I think we must to thank Kahn because he was a brave defender of=20 the=20 > full liberty to choice what we want to choice. [TR] God help me. There are also rules, regulations, and common=20 sense. Ignore the three above and see how you end up..... Tom Ray WOR love > From amdavid@pacbell.net Thu Aug 31 12:44:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79616 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 19:42:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 19:42:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80411.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 19:42:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 69408 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Aug 2006 19:42:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20060831194227.69406.qmail@web80411.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.199.136.82] by web80411.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:42:27 PDT Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:42:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM problems, reggaeton and other herbs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=bwj7GfA2HnalVUiQZLdKrbzxpNrbTN_9j_YGhEY3pdEJ5yh8oQ X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am a bit surprised by the comment on reggaet=F3n. Such a lyric can not b= e played on the radio in the US. Obviously, it can in Chile where songs lik= e Glup's "Puta Jefe" and EM314's "Templo del Placer" and Mox!'s wonderful "= Lo Cort=E9s no Quita lo Valiente" got wide airplay on staitions/networks li= ke Rock & Pop and Carlolina, etc.=20 =20=20=20 Leonard Kahn, in my opinion, killed AM as a music medium by stalling int = he courts and at the FCC the eventual implementation of AM stereo from a po= int where A still dominated music programming to when AM was an also-ran in= music and the listeners had learned to hate AM.=20 jotape1960 wrote: =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Please boys: if somebody sings "Baby I wanna fuck you" and the=20 dancers move their bodies copying the intime sexual movements... AND=20 YOU TOLD ME IT'S NOT SEXUAL AND PORNOGRAPH? Please!!! David, you wrote something time ago about Leonard Kahn was the guilty=20 of the AM Stereo death, I'm not agree with you. 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Connect with others. . =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Aug 31 14:25:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50192 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 21:25:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 21:25:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.158) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 21:25:08 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 21:24:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 21:24:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 21:24:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:24:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.14.110 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: AM problems, reggaeton and other herbs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=nfBPbY92mKb55HYqIiQ_0mujJlUknLmuxX---34eKI8-O6aq X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > David, you wrote something time ago about Leonard Kahn was the=20 guilty=20 > of the AM Stereo death, I'm not agree with you. >=20 > I think FCC and Motorola killed the AM Stereo. >=20 > First FCC because AM Stereo could have been on air since 1958 (Kahn=20 > proposed ISB AM Stereo that year) but FCC prefered to "help" the=20 new=20 > FM band. Wrong. The FCC called for proposals in 1958 for introducing stereophonic=20 broadcast systems for AM, FM and television. Kahn demonstrated his first AM stereo system, appropriating an=20 earlier system developed in the 1920s by competing interests, AT&T=20 and Western Electric, inn 1953, about a year after Murray G. Crosby=20 (no relation to Bing & Bob Crosby) demonstrated his FM stereo system=20 in 1952. Kahn's first patents were approved in 1955. Kahn, however, was not the only one- Other companies, such as Philco,=20 RCA, Westinghouse and CBS also submitted patents for AM stereo=20 systems, and also competed in the FCC proposals of the time. RCA=20 alone submitted patents for at least four different AM stereo=20 systems, including a form of ISB. RCA's single-carrier AM/FM system=20 was the clear favourite at the time, with CBS's QuAM being the big=20 contender at that time. Things went smoothly on the AM stereo end until it became clear that=20 Kahn was not being forthright to the NAB and the NRSC (National Radio=20 Standards Committee), who oversaw the testing of all proposals. Then Kahn threatened litigation if his system was not accepted. It=20 wasn't. This resulted in the FCC dropping the AM portion of their=20 stereo plans. TV stereo was dropped because none of the proposals were, for all=20 practical purposes, "not ready for prime time". This left FM stereo, which was just as contentious as it was for AM,=20 except minus Kahn. The principle frontrunners out of almost a dozen=20 systems proposed were Crosby's FM/FM system- a clearly superior=20 system- and the GE/Zenith FM/AM system. The decision eventually led=20 to deciding over the ability to handle an additional feature, known=20 here in the US as "Subsidiary Communications Authorisation", or "SCA"- Secondary audio channels on subcarriers for services like "Muzak"=20 and reading services for the blind. It had to fit within a 100kHz=20 baseband-- Crosby's system could only fit one, and the GE/Zenith=20 system could fitgg two. Because of this advantage, the superior and=20 more-popular Crosby system was rejected in favour of the current=20 system we now use on FM, as developed by GE/Zenith, and approved in=20 1961. So yes, it really was Kahn's fault we didn't have AM stereo from the=20 1960s- I've read the NAB & NRSC papers of the period. It was a very=20 ugly situation. > Second Motorola because they played dirty: they proposed their=20 system=20 > and, at the same time, filled the market with the only one decoder=20 > chip (of course, a C-QUAM chip). Kahn wasn't a tuners maker. Not counting National Semiconductor, Sony, Sanyo and Toshiba, right? Wanna know the REAL reason for Motorola's success ge3tting C-QUAM out=20 as much as they did? It's simple, really-- Trademark and patent=20 royalties. They waived all trademark royalties for the use of the "C- QUAM" trademark, something none of the others did. This effectively=20 made C-QUAM cheaper to implement, and easier to get out to market.=20 The RCA/Belar system (a modification of the original 1959 RCA system)=20 dropped out because Belar had no ability to get consumer products=20 with tghe system- They were only a broadcast-equipment manufacturer,=20 and still are. Harris similarly was an industrial manufacturer.=20 Magnavox had the ability to, but because of other issues- and that=20 only 6 stations adopted its system- it was also out of contending.=20 Kahn did demonstrate a receiver for ISB, but was more interested in=20 promoting the "two radios" method of receiving the system. Motorola=20 was already phasing out its consumer communications division, and=20 hadn't made consumer broadcast receivers in a number of years, but=20 did have the advantage of making their system license/royalty-free,=20 and only took in money for broadcast equipment they made plus the=20 largest bulk of dedicated chips.. What killed the AM stereo competition, and why Motorola didn't win=20 the marketplace outright fairly early on (1985, one year after the=20 decision to open AMS up to all contenders, as planned) and got=20 delayed until 1993, was due to- Ta-da!- Kahn's litigations. The final=20 decisuion was made after the FCC specificly banned Kahn's ISB system,=20 except for "PowerSIDE", in 1992, thus ending Kahn's stranglehold on=20 any progress in AM stereo. Unfortunately, it was too late. What had=20 been 600+ C-QUAM AM stereo stations in the US in 1996 was brought=20 down to less than 300 by the beginning of this decade, thanks, in=20 large part, to the 1996 Telecommunications Act, which allowed mass- ownership of stations, especially by anti-AMS companies like=20 ClearChannel Communications. So once again, it is Leonard Kahn who is to blame. He is a supporter=20 of AM stereo, as long as it is his, and has done everything possible=20 to make sure no other system could thrive, although he never actually=20 succeeded- only to just throw a spanner in the works, making anyone=20 interested in AM stereo cautions about making the investment in fear=20 of any of Kahn's litigation- Something he excels at doing. The only good thing I can say right now is that his litigious nature=20 might actually help some, perhaps taking down "HD Radio", aka=20 IBOC....only that it may result in an effective abandonment of AM=20 altogether. Kahn may have put AM stereo forward when he introduced ISB (after=20 having worked on quadrature/phase modulation on military=20 communications equipment at the end of and after WW2 when he was in=20 the Navy), but his system was not original. It never was. I have nothing against any system, as long as it's compatible with=20 existing receivers and causes no interference to other stations. This=20 is called "transparency"- Something IBOC does not have. So I don't mind ISB, or C-QUAM, or V-CPM, or AM/PM or AM/FM, or....=20 as long as it works as above. :) I DO care if someone's support of AM=20 stereo actually is hurting the cause more than it helps. And Kahn=20 did just that. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From tomray@wor710.com Thu Aug 31 15:16:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72661 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 22:12:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 22:12:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.206) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 22:12:33 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 22:12:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 22:12:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 22:12:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:12:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: AM problems, reggaeton and other herbs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=p3IoV9fd_LS3iIXS8zuXJ_9smyUk1Lu3in-_GN6uTVg9U786 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > Wrong. >=20 > The FCC called for proposals in 1958 for introducing stereophonic=20 > broadcast systems for AM, FM and television. >=20 > Kahn demonstrated his first AM stereo system, appropriating an=20 > earlier system developed in the 1920s by competing interests, AT&T=20 > and Western Electric, inn 1953, about a year after Murray G.=20 Crosby=20 > (no relation to Bing & Bob Crosby) demonstrated his FM stereo=20 system=20 > in 1952. Kahn's first patents were approved in 1955. >=20 > Kahn, however, was not the only one- Other companies, such as=20 Philco,=20 > RCA, Westinghouse and CBS also submitted patents for AM stereo=20 > systems, and also competed in the FCC proposals of the time. RCA=20 > alone submitted patents for at least four different AM stereo=20 > systems, including a form of ISB. RCA's single-carrier AM/FM=20 system=20 > was the clear favourite at the time, with CBS's QuAM being the big=20 > contender at that time. >=20 > Things went smoothly on the AM stereo end until it became clear=20 that=20 > Kahn was not being forthright to the NAB and the NRSC (National=20 Radio=20 > Standards Committee), who oversaw the testing of all proposals. >=20 > Then Kahn threatened litigation if his system was not accepted. It=20 > wasn't. This resulted in the FCC dropping the AM portion of their=20 > stereo plans. [TR] I stand by my statement. I discussed this topic intently with=20 our RF consultant during tuneup of our new directional antenna. He=20 worked closely with the FCC during this time period. I know things=20 that I can't say in public. And you have just expanded on it. Read=20 my statement again. :-) > So yes, it really was Kahn's fault we didn't have AM stereo from=20 the=20 > 1960s- I've read the NAB & NRSC papers of the period. It was a=20 very=20 > ugly situation. >=20 > The only good thing I can say right now is that his litigious=20 nature=20 > might actually help some, perhaps taking down "HD Radio", aka=20 > IBOC....only that it may result in an effective abandonment of AM=20 > altogether. >=20 [TR] Don't be so sure. There is a history here....and the FCC may=20 have wised up. Tom Ray WOR From jimbo@burgan.net Thu Aug 31 21:59:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33712 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 04:59:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2006 04:59:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com) (207.115.20.70) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2006 04:59:07 -0000 X-ORBL: [68.251.251.45] Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-251-251-45.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.251.251.45]) by flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com (8.13.7 out spool5000 dk/8.13.7) with SMTP id k814wtdj030466 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:58:55 -0700 Message-ID: <001901c6cd83$5a2fcdd0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 00:59:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0635-3, 08/31/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.20.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM problems, reggaeton and other herbs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=ecgJNqzHlM5VoQ3oMKA7mkPWh50_KO-m5HdmDo_CQyMTOwI X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >> The only good thing I can say right now is that his litigious > nature >> might actually help some, perhaps taking down "HD Radio", aka >> IBOC....only that it may result in an effective abandonment of AM >> altogether. >> > > [TR] Don't be so sure. There is a history here....and the FCC may > have wised up. > > Tom Ray > WOR Tom... There's a history here.. that's correct, but as an owner of the Boston Acoustics HD Radio and most recently an Alpine CDA9856 Stereo Tuner with an Alpine TUA-500HD HD radio tuner, I can't say how strongly enough how disappointed I am. In my ever so humble opinion, the only AM stations that can possibly achieve any level of success with HD are the 50,000 watt variety. Even then, to be within the contour capable of receiving/decoding the HD signal will decrease your coverage area greatly. Sure... as long as you stay within 20 miles of the transmitter site, but WOR has many listeners all over the tri-state and the HD signal will not reach 2/3rd of the area that currently receive a decent signal. I live about 60 miles from the WHAS transmitter site and I can't receive/decode their HD signal. I live 70 miles from the WLW transmitter and (until they stopped testing) I could not pick up their HD signal. I live about 40 miles from the WIBC transmitter (I am in their SE lobe on their 50KW day pattern) and I must drive another 20 miles to the north to decode their HD radio. I live about 60 miles from the WHAS TX site and cannot decode HD. WLW, WIBC and WHAS are all 50,000 watt stations and all provided very listenable coverage in my county, and they all show up in our Arbitrons. Now these 3 stations want to shut us out. As for stations broadcasting with 5,000 watts or even the multitude of stations broadcasting with 1,000 watts or less, their HD coverage won't even cover the current city-grade contour. And since the vast majority of the station on the AM band broadcast with 5KW or less (many with potent directional arrays), I can now say as a consumer who's spent nearly a thousand dollars for equipment that I can't use where I live. Even the 50KW FM station HD signals cannot be picked up and decoded 30-40 miles from their transmitter sites. These are the big guns here in the Midwest. I get excellent static-free service on all Indianapolis and Louisville Class B's (and Louisville's Class C), and most Indy A's.... but the Boston Acoustics and the Alpine TUA-500HD will not decode a single HD stream unless I drive a minimum of 25 miles. If the local 500 watt AM station (which is now downs to 330 watts after a tower change) fired up an HD transmitter, you would have to be within 5 miles of their stick to pick-up and decode IBOC. I understand your loyalty to HD Radio Tom, you have been a pioneer. You have been fairly straight in your postings on a board that is a potentially hostile environment (except some earlier ratings about Canada's "take it or leave it" approach), but I don't see how you can piss away such a great percentage of WOR's current fringe, loyal listeners (I'm not talking DX'ers or skywave listeners), I'm talking about the ones who live 40 miles from you TX site. Plus, HD will virtually kill small market AM radio. And then.... there is the issue of refraction. Do you except FCC approval for night broadcasting in the immediate future? And then... there's the 5-10 seconds it takes to begin to get HD audio after you find the frequency, button-pushers won't like waiting 5-10 seconds every time they change channels to get audio. And the 10 second delay on Sports Programming.... this is siginificant to sports fans and the AM band is filled with Sports stations And then... Not all HD radio are capable of tuning the HD2 and HD3 channels, which was my big hope for the medium. And then... a good, clean FM station with good processing sounds no better on HD than it does on the analog band. It just doens't get out as far. The more I learn about HD radio (and the more of my hard earned money I've spent on HD hardware), the less I like it, and the more I see that you, as the poster boy for IBiquity wouldn't feel the way you do if you were the CE on the Indianapolis Clear Channel Group, with the best AM signal in the group a 5KW 24/7 DAN. You think WNDE-AM will serve the same number of metro radios with their HD service. It won't take Leonard Kahn to kill this, it will only take an FCC that really has "wised up:. -Jim- From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Sep 01 02:30:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57457 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 09:29:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2006 09:29:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.148) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2006 09:29:43 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n5.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2006 09:23:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2006 09:23:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2006 09:23:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:23:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001901c6cd83$5a2fcdd0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.14.110 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM problems, reggaeton and other herbs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=k-xI74AcMQ87r4Oc2aCS3NPUVN0rGtnipGebwMNjs65_GDfI X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Let's put it this way: IBOC, at least on AM, doesn't work, and is doomed to failure. The=20 receivers are crap, and reception contours are much smaller than that=20 for reliable analogue, not to mention the sound is no real improvement=20 over existing analogue services. Where there could be an advantage (on=20 FM) with HD2/HD3 channels, is again negated by very spotty reception on=20 pressent receivers. As has been noted, who wants to buy a receiver with=20 which you can't get your money's worth out of? The collapse of IBOC itself doesn't spell the end of AM-- I can see AM=20 fulfilling the role that low-power FMs and SCA services currently use--=20 Perhaps yet another chance for AM, and broadcasting as a whole, to=20 reinvent itself. This doesn't necessarily mean a resurgence of interest=20 in C-QUAM or anu other form of AM stereo, though, but it leaves open=20 the possibility of keeping interest alive, even reviving interest. What COULD kill the AM broadcast band- with or without IBOC, mind you,=20 is something even MORE heinous: BROADBAND OVER POWER LINES! I don't=20 care which side of the digital debacle you're on, we ALL lose if BPL is=20 implemented! And the FCC is all gung-ho about BPL.... . . . . "Wiser"? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Sep 01 14:59:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52521 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 21:59:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2006 21:59:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.112) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2006 21:59:12 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2006 21:58:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2006 21:58:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2006 21:58:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:58:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.112 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: AM problems, reggaeton and other herbs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=1liFiVEjm4I0nTs4Pe33ooSzVcoznm7TCBZwVyfK_6vqVZFaFg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI AM STEREO FANS!!!!!!! Well, I don't know Mr. Kahn personally and I don't want to defend him. I only want to say I've known and I've tested and I've seen: Motorola=20 C-QUAM AM Stereo was a complete failure in Chile and great part of=20 South America. And we never known about any other AM Stereo system=20 here!!! Why? I guess Motorola did any efforts to "hide" any other=20 system. And I repeat I tested four single side band radio ham transceivers=20 (Kenwood TS-130S, two to transmit and two to "listen" them; a pair on=20 LSB and the other pair on USB; of course two pairs on the same=20 central carrier) and I got ISB Stereo without any problem. The only one really problem was I never thought in a "serious" use of=20 that experiment because I was young and, to me, it was just a game. I don't know exactly what were the reasons to the failure of Motorola=20 C-QUAM but THERE MUST BE A REASON! (Maybe the carrier phase problems=20 inherent to the atmospheric propagation?, I'm not sure). Whatever, maybe all of us must to think in another way to save AM=20 band. Maybe all of you think: "this man is crazy!", and maybe you're right!=20 But I think something and I'm not so cool about it: the human health=20 and the RF signals. I think: if God made this planet with its atmosphere, and we know teh=20 atmosphere only let to "pass" certains limited RF bands, I think=20 there must be a reason. The AM MW band is in the "transparent" atmospheric zone of the RF=20 spectrum. VHF and UHF are in the "hard" zone. Of course 1GHz and=20 upper bands are in the blind zone. Then I think: AM MW RF frecuencies are inofenssive to us, the others=20 bands... ??????? I think it's a very good item to study, test and think. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Sep 02 00:50:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95295 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2006 07:47:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2006 07:47:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.208) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2006 07:47:25 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2006 07:47:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2006 07:47:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2006 07:47:24 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 07:47:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.10 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM problems, reggaeton and other herbs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=C-viL9ZKS21f28CUJFK_yGflqhjmcTaju6rS3TILXf7VKsA83Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > Let's put it this way: >=20 > IBOC, at least on AM, doesn't work, and is doomed to failure. The=20 > receivers are crap, and reception contours are much smaller than=20 that=20 > for reliable analogue, not to mention the sound is no real=20 improvement=20 > over existing analogue services. Where there could be an advantage=20 (on=20 > FM) with HD2/HD3 channels, is again negated by very spotty=20 reception on=20 > pressent receivers. As has been noted, who wants to buy a receiver=20 with=20 > which you can't get your money's worth out of? >=20 > The collapse of IBOC itself doesn't spell the end of AM-- I can see=20 AM=20 > fulfilling the role that low-power FMs and SCA services currently=20 use--=20 > Perhaps yet another chance for AM, and broadcasting as a whole, to=20 > reinvent itself. This doesn't necessarily mean a resurgence of=20 interest=20 > in C-QUAM or anu other form of AM stereo, though, but it leaves=20 open=20 > the possibility of keeping interest alive, even reviving interest. >=20 > What COULD kill the AM broadcast band- with or without IBOC, mind=20 you,=20 > is something even MORE heinous: BROADBAND OVER POWER LINES! I don't=20 > care which side of the digital debacle you're on, we ALL lose if=20 BPL is=20 > implemented! >=20 > And the FCC is all gung-ho about BPL.... . . . . >=20 > "Wiser"? >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > HI AM STEREO FANS!!!!!!! Amy, I'm not agree with you about C-QUAM v/s ISB fight but I don't=20 wanna fight with you about it because, like you, I think the stereo=20 sound is only one smallest (or minor) solution to the AM band. The only one thing I don't get understand if why the FCC forbids the=20 ISB AM Stereo. Who loses something out? ISB AM Stereo is, basically,=20 an AM standard transmission (one carrier and two sidebands, all into=20 the legal bandwidth), so... What's the problem? I think the only one=20 affected would be the broadcaster not the public or other station. So=20 I don't understand the ban. Well, I hope a good reason, someday. But the most important thing is the AM band problems and, I repeat,=20 stereo sound isn't the center problem here. I think it's necessary a=20 deep "re-engineering" of the formats and the proximity with the=20 listeners (for example, back to the live music shows). I know, although I don't test it, IBOC is a complete failure in AM=20 LW, MW and SW band, because the system needs a low noise floor and=20 some other stable propagation conditions. Of course, it isn't a=20 reality in those bands. I've read about BPL but I know there is a hard opposition from more=20 than one attached services (for example: radio hams). Then I don't=20 think it would be an AM rival. I think and I insist that the mayor AM enemies are the AM=20 broadcasters!!! They don't trust in AM future possibilities and are=20 only "surviving", this attitude must be changed. Of course, I'm talking based on the Chilean world, but I feel our=20 reality isn't so different than others. Please, forgive my bad english. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love P.D. I always add "South America" because I've noted a bad tendecy in=20 some USA people whom often talk about "America" thinking on the USA=20 territory only, but M=E9xico, Colombia, Brazil, Chile, etc. IS AMERICA=20 TOO!!! Then, I live in Chile, South America, AND I'M SO PROUD OF IT!!! From amdavid@pacbell.net Sat Sep 02 08:01:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93773 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2006 15:00:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2006 15:00:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80411.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.66) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2006 15:00:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 40908 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Sep 2006 15:00:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20060902150036.40906.qmail@web80411.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.102.4.242] by web80411.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 08:00:36 PDT Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 08:00:36 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM problems, reggaeton and other herbs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=J7nmGSPKTi7HEypZnzKrSMNDnaetfqczwSZgUeI0sSeH_GYZ7w X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The problem is that we have in the USA two generations who do not use AM. Those below 20 or 25 don't know it exists, for th emsot part. And those under 45 know of it, but think it sounds inferior, no matter what is on it. Only those who grew up using AM when AM was a significant factor look at the band with a postive attitude. The main problem is that, as time moves on, the rejectors will cover all the audience advertisers want (those under 55) and there will be no way to make money with AM other than religious and niche programming. HD, on the other hand, will get into the market driven by FM stations and HD2. AM will ride on this wave, if it develops (the marketing to the consumer only began last month). In my experience, the HD signal covers as much usable area as the analog signal covers. In LA. on our KTNQ, the usable AM coverage, day and night, is around 12 to 5 mv/m due to noise levels in the metro. The HD is excellent within this area, and, in fact, actually seems to be usable farther than the analog in some areas. We have determined that "usable" can be easily plotted using Arbitron diary returns for in home and at work ZIP codes... where 70% of all radio listening takes place. A separate AM stereo system has no chance, as the only slim opportunity is to hitch a ride with the FM system, one that may actually work! jotape1960 wrote: I think and I insist that the mayor AM enemies are the AM broadcasters!!! They don't trust in AM future possibilities and are only "surviving", this attitude must be changed. Visit Your Group SPONSORED LINKS Motorola radio battery Stereo speaker Motorola radio accessory Stereo cabinets Motorola radio dealer Yahoo! TV "The 9" Daily count down of top Web finds. Y! GeoCities Share Photos Put your favorite photos online. Yahoo! Groups Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@qwest.net Sat Sep 02 09:26:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@qwest.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 852 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2006 16:26:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2006 16:26:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net) (63.231.195.115) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2006 16:26:17 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-09.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-09.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.9]) by mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id 8458822DFB6 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 16:25:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-174-223.phnx.qwest.net (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (130.13.174.223) by mpls-pop-09.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 2 Sep 2006 16:25:24 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 09:25:23 -0700 Message-ID: To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 In-Reply-To: <20060902150036.40906.qmail@web80411.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 63.231.195.115 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM problems, reggaeton and other herbs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=264393189; y=aD0oUXUrr3hQ7SM3Eh0IESK5jw9SbI9dzAukAZOFRcCxdiyqcw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 9/2/06 8:00 AM, "David Gleason" wrote: > HD, on the other hand, will get into the market driven by FM stations an= d > HD2.=20 >=20 > All of this is complete crap because the manufacturers don=B9t seem to wa= nt to > touch HD with a 10 foot pole. Unless the manufacturers come on board in a= very > big way, HD doesn=B9t exist except for a few people in the radio business= . >=20 > Unless things change, HD is DOA. I am sure things will change because iNi= quity > will try to make the changeover mandatory through government legislation. >=20 > WiFi, satellite, iPods and internet is killing radio and if radio doesn= =B9t get > onboard with it, see ya! HD was what was needed in 1980. That was more th= an 25 > years ago.=20 >=20 > Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Sat Sep 02 11:32:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56456 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2006 18:27:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2006 18:27:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80403.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.58) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2006 18:27:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 91543 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Sep 2006 18:27:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20060902182734.91541.qmail@web80403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.102.4.242] by web80403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 11:27:34 PDT Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 11:27:34 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM problems, reggaeton and other herbs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=DgDc334aJFxP9c90IUp0BxI94dl1hs6IxZsRbIDYr0oShvbVFQ X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The manufacturers were just give design spec 2.0 90 or so days ago. 49 car = models from 7 manuefacturers will have HD next year. Car converters are com= ing for November. Over 1000 HD stations are on the air, and over 1000 more = signed up and waiting for equipment, which is backordered by as much as 9 m= onths. Manufacturers are on board in a HUGE way.=20 =20=20=20 The consumer launch just began 5 weeks ago. There are dozens of radios in= the process of design, after which they will be prototyped and manufacture= rd.=20 =20=20=20 Intel just invested a huge amount of money in iBiquity to jointly develop= new chipsets with lower power consumption.=20 =20=20=20 Satellite has taken no more than 0.4 of radio's share. In fact, radio in = its core demos of 25-44 has not lost even 0.5% of its users int he last 20 = years. All the stuff about iPods and similar taking from free terrestrial r= adio is an absolute fabrication. And there are figures to prove it.=20 "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" wrote: On 9/2/06 8:00 AM, "David Gleason" wrote: > HD, on the other hand, will get into the market driven by FM stations and > HD2.=20 >=20 > All of this is complete crap because the manufacturers don=B9t seem to wa= nt to > touch HD with a 10 foot pole. Unless the manufacturers come on board in a= very > big way, HD doesn=B9t exist except for a few people in the radio business= . >=20 > Unless things change, HD is DOA. I am sure things will change because iNi= quity > will try to make the changeover mandatory through government legislation. >=20 > WiFi, satellite, iPods and internet is killing radio and if radio doesn= =B9t get > onboard with it, see ya! HD was what was needed in 1980. That was more th= an 25 > years ago.=20 >=20 > Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@qwest.net Sat Sep 02 13:55:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@qwest.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12692 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2006 20:53:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2006 20:53:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net) (63.231.195.113) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2006 20:53:22 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-07.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-07.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.7]) by mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id 08978461430 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 20:52:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-174-223.phnx.qwest.net (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (130.13.174.223) by mpls-pop-07.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 2 Sep 2006 20:52:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:52:43 -0700 Message-ID: To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 In-Reply-To: <20060902182734.91541.qmail@web80403.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 63.231.195.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" Subject: HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=264393189; y=k_aIx7nlt_nWyM3zjUfKFDA6y0NnJ46D8LcXTsV_8WuUvqeiqQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On 9/2/06 11:27 AM, "David Gleason" wrote: > The manufacturers were just give design spec 2.0 90 or so days ago. 49 ca= r > models from 7 manuefacturers will have HD next year. Just like Radiosophy and their vaporware? Will they be as good as the HD Recepter? If so, HD is in deep goo. HD, HD, rah-rah-rah! > Car converters are coming for November. Yawn. So I can hear the majestic HD sound that=B9s supposed to take over the worl= d on ANALOG, right? Cool!.... NOT! If it isn't portable combined with an MP3 player and goes through all the crap the RIAA will cause over that, then its dead in the water before the thing gets going.=20 > Over 1000 HD stations are on the air, and over 1000 more signed > up and waiting for equipment, which is backordered by as much as 9 months= . Yeah, right.=20 > Manufacturers are on board in a HUGE way. Where? Mars? What universe? Sure ain't the one Earth is in. You've been blowing this hot air for as long as I have known you. None of it has happened yet. All we have is signals jammed by HD hash. No portable radios = a miniscule number of car radios, and a HD receiver that=B9s deaf as hell. That=B9s whats out there. > The consumer launch just began 5 weeks ago. There are dozens of radios in= the > process of design, after which they will be prototyped and manufacturerd. Ummmm okay. If you say so. Seems like you spewed this stuff on the NRC list about 4 years ago. Your batting average for HD prediction sucks. Sorry to break it to you. > Intel just invested a huge amount of money in iBiquity to jointly develop= new > chipsets with lower power consumption. And we will see these radios when? 3 years? 5 years? > Satellite has taken no more than 0.4 of radio's share. In fact, radio in = its > core demos of 25-44 has not lost even 0.5% of its users int he last 20 ye= ars. > All the stuff about iPods and similar taking from free terrestrial radio = is an > absolute fabrication. And there are figures to prove it. Whatever... We have been hearing this stuff from you long enough for us to see you are the boy who cried wolf. Nothing new here from you Dave. We will get HD someday. It just ain't today or even by the end of this week= , month and probably the year. Maybe not until the Christmas after this one i= f it happens. I can't see it going anywhere because the model is already obsolete. I don't think the manufacturers see it either. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Sep 02 19:21:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84010 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2006 02:20:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2006 02:20:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52206.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.129) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 02:20:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 3301 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Sep 2006 02:20:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20060903022050.3299.qmail@web52206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.145] by web52206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 19:20:50 PDT Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 19:20:50 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060902182734.91541.qmail@web80403.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM problems, reggaeton and other herbs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=MbuG_9aUoKSLC78zuilo7OK9lv8nflJhDB5FAyDOUWA X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- David Gleason wrote: > The manufacturers were just give design spec 2.0 90 > or so days ago. And that will be ignored like the earlier design specs were. I discussed this with an ibiquity person at the SCMS sponsored Digital Radio Conference in Charlotte, NC earlier this year. He was NOT very optimistic... said the manufacturers didn't even know how to make a good radio or didn't try. I agreed with him. > 49 car models from 7 manuefacturers > will have HD next year. Well we will have to see. I'm not holding my breath. > Car converters are coming for November. Will they actually work, or make the radios not work on analog in addition to HD? Over 1000 HD stations are on the air, > and over 1000 more signed up and waiting for > equipment, which is backordered by as much as 9 > months. And the manufacturers ( names withheld to protect the guilty) are sending stuff out so fast, that when it arrives it doesn't work. A local station running...er...trying to run HD has had to send back a defective exciter more than one time. > Manufacturers are on board in a HUGE way. This means nothing. > The consumer launch just began 5 weeks ago. The sound of silence is deafening. How many years ago was this promised ? > There > are dozens of radios in the process of design, after > which they will be prototyped and manufacturerd. And will they be as defective as what's now available. Most manufacturers are now incapable of putting a decent analog receiver design on the market today. > Intel just invested a huge amount of money in > iBiquity to jointly develop new chipsets with lower > power consumption. It's going to take MULTIPLE generations of chipsets for battery life to be come realistic. Translate this as YEARS. And then, HD is so fragile that you had better have an exceptionally strong signal. Engineers have concluded for the FM band power is going to HAVE to be doubled to get it to work well. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Sat Sep 02 19:47:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85897 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2006 02:46:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2006 02:46:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-MTAout5.csiro.au) (150.229.64.42) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 02:46:17 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.56]) by vic-MTAout5.csiro.au with ESMTP; 03 Sep 2006 12:46:14 +1000 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.08,203,1154872800"; d="dat'59?scan'59,208,59"; a="92366250:sNHT30092608" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 3 Sep 2006 12:45:45 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 12:45:45 +1000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave Thread-Index: AcbO0hNA0yls30WxRl2HHYr43duYBAALMES8 References: To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2006 02:45:45.0965 (UTC) FILETIME=[0E5FD1D0:01C6CF03] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.64.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=90mwrJv3XVeTrNmVHcMgjoK_lpSFaz9yNliwo3jV7n7m Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: kevin - Gilbert, AZ > We will get HD someday. It just ain't today or even by the end of this > week, month and probably the year. Maybe not until the Christmas after > this one if it happens. I can't see it going anywhere because the model is > already obsolete. I don't think the manufacturers see it either. It seems to me that the US government and the FCC learned nothing from the appalling history of AM stereo, and history is already repeating itself. If there was a care about standards and providing decent services to listeners the authorities would have embraced Eureka DAB. But of course this technology was developed in Europe. And we couldn't have that, could we? It would seem that the US government and the FCC are beholden to the big corporations. At least they are US owned. You could understand this in a tinpot country (Cuba springs to mind) but would expect better in a country that generally plays in and has so much influence in the global market. I'm glad that OZ finally has given the green light to DAB, but am disappointed and can't see why it won't be here till 2009. (None of us is getting any younger, and the authorities seem to be depriving us of years of good radio.) It's a shame that the regulation of radio in the US has more to do with political donations (to both parties) than what would be best for the listeners. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Sat Sep 02 20:35:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52914 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2006 03:34:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2006 03:34:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80405.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.60) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 03:34:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 71009 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Sep 2006 03:33:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20060903033357.71007.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.102.4.242] by web80405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 20:33:57 PDT Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 20:33:57 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=Zy0Cp0hj1P8qrAfl7XSrdx_7mZZrzJ_3VntRbYplSHLXC8IyoQ X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You are the reason why I no longer care to be a DXer. You are against the f= uture of the very industry that creates DXable stations, and are full of ha= trred and lies.=20 =20=20=20 HD had a very precise set of steps. First, create the station base. This,= due to manufacturing (HD gear is seriously backlogged as Harris, Nautel, B= E, etc. are not going to expand facilities for a one-shot propostion, only = to have to scale back. THis has taken much longer than it should have.=20 =20=20=20 iBiquity was turned down by broadcasters several times over the AM system= , and finally got i=B4t pretty right a bit over a year ago.=20 =20=20=20 The third step was to get HD 2 on. Not though of initially as a major par= t of selling the receiver manufacturers, it turned out, mostly due to PBS, = to be a major advantage. We now have hundreds and hundreds of HD2 stations = on in 68 of th etop 100 markets, covering close to 75% of the US population= .=20 =20=20=20 The next step was to get the final design spec to manufacturers, which wa= s late and done earlier this year. It is there, and there are apparently ab= out 20 manufacturers working on radios, not including the desgns for the ne= arly 50 car models that will have HD next year.=20 =20=20=20 The fianl step was to launch the $200 million ad campaign, starting a mon= th ago.=20 =20=20=20 The currently under design radios will take about 180 days to start hitti= ng the channels. Peter Ferrara, head of the HD Consortium, believes there w= ill be real market strength around summer of next year, once radios introdu= ced at the CES show get into stores.=20 =20=20=20 This is a multi year plan, and, while delayed due to the design issues, i= t is still a major effort. Last week there was the announcement of HD in ca= rs, and an announcement of a rollout of many models of radios in Radio Shac= k in the coming months... 400 stores in the NYC area alone.=20 =20=20=20 I understand how much you hate radio, Kevin. Your ignorance of the econom= ics of the industry are at fault, and I really have to laugh at how much yo= u want to have radio fail... so much that you pot lies about listening leve= ls, satellite penetration and other things.=20 =20=20=20 May all your receivers burn in hell, and may your DXing friends have a de= cade of summer static. "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" wrote: On 9/2/06 11:27 AM, "David Gleason" wrote: > The manufacturers were just give design spec 2.0 90 or so days ago. 49 ca= r > models from 7 manuefacturers will have HD next year. Just like Radiosophy and their vaporware? Will they be as good as the HD Recepter? If so, HD is in deep goo. HD, HD, rah-rah-rah! > Car converters are coming for November. Yawn. So I can hear the majestic HD sound that=B9s supposed to take over the worl= d on ANALOG, right? Cool!.... NOT! If it isn't portable combined with an MP3 player and goes through all the crap the RIAA will cause over that, then its dead in the water before the thing gets going.=20 > Over 1000 HD stations are on the air, and over 1000 more signed > up and waiting for equipment, which is backordered by as much as 9 months= . Yeah, right.=20 > Manufacturers are on board in a HUGE way. Where? Mars? What universe? Sure ain't the one Earth is in. You've been blowing this hot air for as long as I have known you. None of it has happened yet. All we have is signals jammed by HD hash. No portable radios = a miniscule number of car radios, and a HD receiver that=B9s deaf as hell. That=B9s whats out there. > The consumer launch just began 5 weeks ago. There are dozens of radios in= the > process of design, after which they will be prototyped and manufacturerd. Ummmm okay. If you say so. Seems like you spewed this stuff on the NRC list about 4 years ago. Your batting average for HD prediction sucks. Sorry to break it to you. > Intel just invested a huge amount of money in iBiquity to jointly develop= new > chipsets with lower power consumption. And we will see these radios when? 3 years? 5 years? > Satellite has taken no more than 0.4 of radio's share. In fact, radio in = its > core demos of 25-44 has not lost even 0.5% of its users int he last 20 ye= ars. > All the stuff about iPods and similar taking from free terrestrial radio = is an > absolute fabrication. And there are figures to prove it. Whatever... We have been hearing this stuff from you long enough for us to see you are the boy who cried wolf. Nothing new here from you Dave. We will get HD someday. It just ain't today or even by the end of this week= , month and probably the year. Maybe not until the Christmas after this one i= f it happens. I can't see it going anywhere because the model is already obsolete. I don't think the manufacturers see it either. Kevin =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Sep 02 21:26:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71476 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2006 04:26:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2006 04:26:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao10.cox.net) (68.230.241.29) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 04:26:43 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060903042638.CNDB18458.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 00:26:38 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id HgSf1V0142DrW980000000 Sun, 03 Sep 2006 00:26:39 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060903033357.71007.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060903033357.71007.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <9548869F-3725-4C77-80A0-F3BD7250C8CC@cox.net> Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 21:26:39 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=mjB_wImHt7tXXZPoPnkTytczpb_Tm6CLhYJwpOn639zk6OhFShEEVtG-Juw2 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Um ... HD destroys DX capability. On Sep 2, 2006, at 8:33 PM, David Gleason wrote: > You are the reason why I no longer care to be a DXer. You are > against the future of the very industry that creates DXable > stations, and are full of hatrred and lies. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Sep 03 01:15:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92175 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2006 08:15:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2006 08:15:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.161) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 08:15:37 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2006 08:14:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2006 08:14:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2006 08:14:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 08:14:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060903033357.71007.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.2.119 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=bl_3m3WspCZBfhSzpG3wSGWKXAb1kGCb80Kpyp88FPQrPD9i X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, David Gleason wrote: > [snip] I'm not sure this even deserves any dignified comment, other than it=20 demonstrates a lack of credibility. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amfmdx@qwest.net Sun Sep 03 09:30:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@qwest.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3313 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2006 16:30:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2006 16:30:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net) (63.231.195.116) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 16:30:24 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-10.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-10.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.10]) by mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id 50F7162D44F for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 16:29:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-174-223.phnx.qwest.net (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (130.13.174.223) by mpls-pop-10.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 16:29:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 09:29:42 -0700 Message-ID: To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 In-Reply-To: <20060903033357.71007.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 63.231.195.116 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=264393189; y=c3bm25W-9eSAabNpTl3HzkneA5mWNW1PceD5vfu0w6mT2s4GUw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On 9/2/06 8:33 PM, "David Gleason" wrote: > You are the reason why I no longer care to be a DXer. You are against the > future of the very industry that creates DXable stations, and are full of > hatrred and lies. Dave, This one is a winner. I think I will save this message forever. Its pretty interesting to say the least. Kevin From amfmdx@qwest.net Sun Sep 03 09:46:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@qwest.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90747 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2006 16:44:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2006 16:44:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net) (63.231.195.114) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 16:44:45 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-03.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-03.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.3]) by mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id B6531621C68 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 16:44:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-174-223.phnx.qwest.net (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (130.13.174.223) by mpls-pop-03.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 16:44:31 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 09:44:30 -0700 Message-ID: To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 63.231.195.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=264393189; y=r47EaZdwHQ8oVmv9CJSBgy3ZnVWAyHWWS42eFSEro0DFyINLLg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On 9/3/06 1:14 AM, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > I'm not sure this even deserves any dignified comment, other than it > demonstrates a lack of credibility. Was that wild or what? I will say when they make a HD portable for about $100 I will be among the first to buy one. Kevin From amfmdx@qwest.net Sun Sep 03 09:46:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@qwest.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43756 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2006 16:39:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2006 16:39:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net) (63.231.195.116) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 16:39:42 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-10.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-10.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.10]) by mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id 9344E62D454 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 16:39:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-174-223.phnx.qwest.net (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (130.13.174.223) by mpls-pop-10.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 16:39:37 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 09:39:36 -0700 Message-ID: To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 63.231.195.116 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=264393189; y=lg8o5DYHhxD2lTkOQRLGVnxqQuSeJqs1Vk6KyRylCOs4Ut1fdg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On 9/2/06 7:45 PM, "Ian.Davidson@csiro.au" wrote: > It seems to me that the US government and the FCC learned nothing from the > appalling history of AM stereo, and history is already repeating itself. Ian, this is my biggest fear about the whole thing. We will have analog and HD messed up in a band where no one can hear anything. > If there was a care about standards and providing decent services to listeners > the authorities would have embraced Eureka DAB. This is exactly what I would love to see. The US should be with the rest of the world and we should be like the UK and have Eureka on the 220 band. I am sure that UPS and the Amateurs would hate it, but it would be better for digital radio in the long run. They should let AM/FM analog die a natural death. > It would seem that the US government and the FCC are beholden to the big > corporations. At least they are US owned. The Bush administration and pretty much the Clinton administration before this have never stopped a corporation from doing as they wish. I don't see it stopping anytime soon. > I'm glad that OZ finally has given the green light to DAB, but am disappointed > and can't see why it won't be here till 2009. Three cheers for Australia! At least you all have the common sense to move to DAB and use Eureka. I would love to have digital radio done right here in the USA. > It's a shame that the regulation of radio in the US has more to do with > political donations (to both parties) than what would be best for the > listeners. Not much more to say than that. Kevin From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Sep 03 11:32:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57332 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2006 18:32:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2006 18:32:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80411.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.66) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 18:32:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 37952 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Sep 2006 18:32:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20060903183213.37950.qmail@web80411.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.102.4.242] by web80411.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:32:13 PDT Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 11:32:13 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <9548869F-3725-4C77-80A0-F3BD7250C8CC@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=CrMix5UBO80DSe6dCWWuxts_U_uTuQkJWyAQeFxZFuubrcsUWg X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good! I am soi fed up wifth DXers trying to tell radio how to serve its listeners and owners, I hope all DXers go away. Richard Wagoner wrote: Um ... HD destroys DX capability. On Sep 2, 2006, at 8:33 PM, David Gleason wrote: > You are the reason why I no longer care to be a DXer. You are > against the future of the very industry that creates DXable > stations, and are full of hatrred and lies. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Sep 03 11:46:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48413 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2006 18:42:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2006 18:42:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80405.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.60) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 18:42:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 59289 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Sep 2006 18:41:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20060903184110.59283.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.102.4.242] by web80405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:41:10 PDT Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 11:41:10 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=UEiVMFNTYAzrxFcltuENTxn5yi42zhJy99svfcoqbrhidq_p5Q X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin deserves everything I said, and more. He has been fabricating realsons to dislike boradcasters that are eithe rmisinterpreted data or terrmible lies for many years. His most recent absurd lie was to say that there is an overall loss of listeners to free radio. The data shows that 20 years ago, 95.7% of Americans in radio's target of 25-54 listened weekly. Today it is 95.3%. That is not even a half percent in 20 years, and can easily be attrributed to cooperation percentages just as much as to Americans working longer hours. Kevin, on the other hand, accuses radio companies of things (in the past) like having too much debt to serve the public (untrue... most colsolidation was merger and equity based) of beeing dishonest (a diatribe years ago about Clear Channel in Phoenix) and such. AM radio is in death throes in the US, as the younger (meaning under 45 years of age) folks do not listen much if any. The share of listening by 12 to 45 is 9% nationally, vs 90.6% for FM and 0.4% for satellite. AM is not listened to because it sucks quality wise. This is why even talk formats are migrating to FM (WTOP, WNLS, KSL, KTAR) where younger listeners will hear them in the quality they demand. HD may not be in time, but without it AM has already died. I am honestly fed up with the folks like Kevin who twist facts and outright lie about radio, radio listening, HD, etc., to supprte an agenda that benefits only him hand his few hundred nutty DX cronies. Amy Mousie wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, David Gleason wrote: > [snip] I'm not sure this even deserves any dignified comment, other than it demonstrates a lack of credibility. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Sep 03 11:46:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25242 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2006 18:46:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2006 18:46:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80407.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.62) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 18:46:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 19152 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Sep 2006 18:45:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20060903184553.19150.qmail@web80407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.102.4.242] by web80407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:45:53 PDT Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 11:45:53 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=A-JIrKoeij4coKHhMwtmO0W3UX7yWH2FbK53XGwaNz9_H9nRew X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is nothing more to say because this is another of your exaggerations. The radio broadcasters of the US are very minor contributors to political campaigns and this can be proven via a review of public records. Since around half of all US radio stations have historically lost money, it is hardly probable that theya re giving a lot to political parties. NAB is a PAC of sorts, but it libbies, and does not make huge donations. All industries have lobbyists since senators and representatives can not be expected to know everything about every field, private and public. "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" wrote: > It's a shame that the regulation of radio in the US has more to do with > political donations (to both parties) than what would be best for the > listeners. Not much more to say than that. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Sep 03 11:47:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40894 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2006 18:45:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2006 18:45:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80402.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.57) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 18:45:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 14988 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Sep 2006 18:42:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20060903184227.14986.qmail@web80402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.102.4.242] by web80402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:42:27 PDT Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 11:42:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=fBe4TT0idYAnmyUsIkxWsikBiqETtew0TCEL5-my7N_I3hGLxw X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When you lie big-time about my industry I will call you out. You lied about radio listening, and are not even aware that you lied, so blinded are you by your hatred of broadcasting. "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" wrote: On 9/2/06 8:33 PM, "David Gleason" wrote: > You are the reason why I no longer care to be a DXer. You are against the > future of the very industry that creates DXable stations, and are full of > hatrred and lies. Dave, This one is a winner. I think I will save this message forever. Its pretty interesting to say the least. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Sep 03 11:49:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35793 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2006 18:49:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2006 18:49:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80401.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.56) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 18:49:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 45118 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Sep 2006 18:49:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20060903184912.45116.qmail@web80401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.102.4.242] by web80401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:49:12 PDT Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 11:49:12 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=GBtGNxvzkk1ZJ1Jg6yRiv_4upIXJHJhGPjfKDmRjg33OEqKaMA X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are not going to be portables for several years, I suspect. All DACs are power hogs. My XM Inno is useless on a cross country bike ride, as the battery lasts less than 4 hours. I have to talke several. It also uses a DAC. Early this year, iBiquity and Intel forged an alliance, with Intel taking a significant position in iBiquity with the purpose of codeveloping a chip or chipset for HD / analog radio which will be suitable for portables. But, keep in mind, 70% of all radio listening is not "on the go" so this is not a priority. Cars and home radios are the main target. "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" wrote: On 9/3/06 1:14 AM, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > I'm not sure this even deserves any dignified comment, other than it > demonstrates a lack of credibility. Was that wild or what? I will say when they make a HD portable for about $100 I will be among the first to buy one. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@qwest.net Sun Sep 03 11:54:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@qwest.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13247 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2006 18:52:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2006 18:52:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net) (63.231.195.114) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 18:52:16 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-03.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-03.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.3]) by mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id CC4F7621D9C for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 18:51:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-174-223.phnx.qwest.net (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (130.13.174.223) by mpls-pop-03.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 18:51:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:51:57 -0700 Message-ID: To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 In-Reply-To: <20060903184227.14986.qmail@web80402.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 63.231.195.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=264393189; y=A7wVhtMe-8tadWvSRkWxSDk19uch1Y8OXo92Q503rUleUoJNJw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On 9/3/06 11:42 AM, "David Gleason" wrote: > When you lie big-time about my industry I will call you out. You lied about > radio listening, and are not even aware that you lied, so blinded are you by > your hatred of broadcasting. Dave, How can I hate broadcasting if DXing broadcast stations is my hobby? You lost it Dave. Kevin From amfmdx@qwest.net Sun Sep 03 11:55:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@qwest.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23439 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2006 18:50:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2006 18:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net) (63.231.195.113) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 18:50:49 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-12.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-12.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.12]) by mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id 71D774614FA for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 18:50:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-174-223.phnx.qwest.net (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (130.13.174.223) by mpls-pop-12.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 18:50:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:50:34 -0700 Message-ID: To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 In-Reply-To: <20060903184110.59283.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 63.231.195.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=264393189; y=AVcOjM4v-DKOfJkjU2Fq81bxzNe67rGEQDGrF3HB95j35Fir7A X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On 9/3/06 11:41 AM, "David Gleason" wrote: > Kevin deserves everything I said, and more. He has been fabricating realsons > to dislike boradcasters that are eithe rmisinterpreted data or terrmible lies > for many years. Dave, I think you are having a meltdown. Get a grip, guy. Kevin From amfmdx@qwest.net Sun Sep 03 11:58:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@qwest.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39408 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2006 18:54:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2006 18:54:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net) (63.231.195.115) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 18:54:03 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-04.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-04.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.4]) by mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id 3296322DE38 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 18:53:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-174-223.phnx.qwest.net (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (130.13.174.223) by mpls-pop-04.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 18:53:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:53:58 -0700 Message-ID: To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 In-Reply-To: <20060903184553.19150.qmail@web80407.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 63.231.195.115 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=264393189; y=9nRytvLaoyJEczA55C96B586tOGM12qYbCpUmO8-bX1cuUKolg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On 9/3/06 11:45 AM, "David Gleason" wrote: > There is nothing more to say because this is another of your exaggeration= s. > The radio broadcasters of the US are very minor contributors to political > campaigns and this can be proven via a review of public records. Clear Channel execs donate more to Bush By Jim Hopkins, USA TODAY Clear Channel, rejecting Howard Stern's claims that he was canned for slamming President Bush, says its radio network does not have a political agenda. Howard Stern leaves the WXRK-FM offices in New York after a February broadcast. By Luiz Ribeiro, AP But new political contribution data tell a different story about Clear Channel (CCU) executives. They have given $42,200 to Bush, vs. $1,750 to likely Democratic nominee John Kerry in the 2004 race. What's more, the executives and Clear Channel's political action committee gave 77% of their $334,501 in federal contributions to Republicans. That's = a bigger share than any other entertainment company, says the non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics. In contrast, Viacom (VIA) executives and its political action committee gav= e just 30% of their $545,650 to Republican candidates. Viacom syndicates Stern's show. Clear Channel says it suspended talk-show king Stern from six stations Feb. 24 because of his show's racy content =8B not because of politics. "We are simply trying to comply" with anti-indecency laws, says Andy Levin, executive vice president. Since his suspension, Stern, who has 8 million listeners, has boosted his attacks on Bush and on Clear Channel officials, who he says favor Bush. The No. 1 radio network and other media are under election year pressure by Bush administration regulators and Congress to ban broadcast indecency. Clear Channel faces a proposed $755,000 Federal Communications Commission fine over a Tampa radio show host's sexually explicit high jinks. The network fired host Todd Clem, known as "Bubba the Love Sponge," last month. Clear Channel CEO Lowry Mays and his sons led the campaign giving. Mays gav= e $12,500 to the Republican National Committee in September. He gave $2,000 t= o Bush in July. President Mark Mays and Chief Financial Officer Randall Mays each gave $2,000 to Bush last year, as well. Levin says these gifts reflect a fact of political life =8B that companies tend to favor the party in powe= r. Clear Channel, based in San Antonio, has grown rapidly since Lowry Mays started the company 30 years ago. It has 180 million weekly listeners and 1,200 stations, up from about 200 stations five years ago. Critics worry that its airwave dominance will stifle diversity of broadcast views as the FCC, Congress and the courts debate restricting radio ownership. "When they are that powerful and they have a political track record, it can make one uneasy," says Andrew Schwartzman, president of Medi= a Access Project, a watchdog group. Still, given Stern's famously off-color programming, it's just as likely Clear Channel dumped him as a fast sacrifice to Congress' decency campaign, says Jeff Chester, executive director of the watchdog Center for Digital Democracy. "They needed to do some kind of modest bloodletting to try to derail this stampede," Chester says. From amfmdx@qwest.net Sun Sep 03 12:03:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@qwest.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52944 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2006 19:02:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2006 19:02:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net) (63.231.195.114) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 19:02:07 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-13.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-13.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.13]) by mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id 76429621D92 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 19:01:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-174-223.phnx.qwest.net (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (130.13.174.223) by mpls-pop-13.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 19:01:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 12:01:22 -0700 Message-ID: To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 In-Reply-To: <20060903184553.19150.qmail@web80407.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 63.231.195.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=264393189; y=vOIbw7TNxWxfb3Yur9pM5Z39IclfwHQjM17crydKuu-cZxzOSQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On 9/3/06 11:45 AM, "David Gleason" wrote: > There is nothing more to say because this is another of your exaggerations. > The radio broadcasters of the US are very minor contributors to political > campaigns and this can be proven via a review of public records. http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/contrib.asp?Ind=C2100 This shows political contributions by a ton of Radio/TV corporations. Of Course Clear Channel is #1. Kevin From amfmdx@qwest.net Sun Sep 03 12:04:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@qwest.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76655 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2006 18:57:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2006 18:57:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net) (63.231.195.114) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 18:57:01 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-13.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-13.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.13]) by mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id 8EE70621D35 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 18:56:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-174-223.phnx.qwest.net (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (130.13.174.223) by mpls-pop-13.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 18:56:50 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:56:49 -0700 Message-ID: To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 In-Reply-To: <20060903184553.19150.qmail@web80407.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 63.231.195.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=264393189; y=L2UFfeGbtvL7svc70D4E3UVU-yyGJh0YF70ykpJ4yZ_wvZPRXQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On 9/3/06 11:45 AM, "David Gleason" wrote: > There is nothing more to say because this is another of your exaggerations. > The radio broadcasters of the US are very minor contributors to political > campaigns and this can be proven via a review of public records. Clear Channel gave this money: Top 10 recipients of contributions sourced to this organization Recipient Amount National Republican Party Committees $667,550 National Democratic Party Committees $436,580 President George W Bush (R) $116,870 Michael McCaul (R-TX) $50,000 Rep Wilbert J Tauzin, Jr (R-LA) $29,500 Sen Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) $28,900 Rep J Dennis Hastert (R-IL) $26,000 Rep Thomas Dale Delay (R-TX) $22,000 Sen John F Kerry (D-MA) $20,750 Sen Charles E Schumer (D-NY) $20,500 From amfmdx@qwest.net Sun Sep 03 12:05:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@qwest.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24053 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2006 18:59:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2006 18:59:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net) (63.231.195.112) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 18:59:55 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-06.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-06.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.6]) by mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id 6B0FF1A997A for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 18:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-174-223.phnx.qwest.net (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (130.13.174.223) by mpls-pop-06.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 18:59:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:59:20 -0700 Message-ID: To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 In-Reply-To: <20060903184553.19150.qmail@web80407.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 63.231.195.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=264393189; y=Jf_5rRYkmn5dFqPuM3xyKJnWhwyPx6uIYiynbF4QjiVCXLMFiw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 9/3/06 11:45 AM, "David Gleason" wrote: > There is nothing more to say because this is another of your exaggeration= s. > The radio broadcasters of the US are very minor contributors to political > campaigns and this can be proven via a review of public records. Clear Channel contributed over $650,000 in California alone... Political Contributions - M.I. 2006 =AD Clear Channel Communications =A0 =A0 RESOLVED, that the shareholders of Clear Channel Communications Inc. ("Company") hereby request that the Company provide a report, updated semi-annually, disclosing the Company's: =A0 1.=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Policies and procedures for political contributions (b= oth direct and indirect) made with corporate funds. =A0 2.=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Monetary and non-monetary contributions to political c= andidates, political parties, political committees and other political entities organized and operating under 26 USC Sec. 527 of the Internal Revenue Code including the following: =A0 a. An accounting of the Company's funds contributed to any of the persons o= r organizations described above; b. Identification of the person or persons in the Company who participated in making the decisions to contribute. c. The internal guidelines or policies, if any, governing the Company's political contributions. =A0 This report shall be presented to the board of directors' audit committee o= r other relevant oversight committee, and posted on the company's website to reduce costs to shareholders. =A0 Supporting Statements As long-term shareholders of Clear Channel Communications, we support policies that apply transparency and accountability to corporate political giving. In our view, such disclosure is consistent with public policy in regard to public company disclosure. =A0 Company executives exercise wide discretion over the use of corporate resources for political purposes. In 2003-04, the last fully reported election cycle, Clear Channel contributed at least $8200 in national contributions. (The Center for Public Integrity, http://www.publicintegrity.org/527/db.aspx?act=3Dmain). =A0 The company also gave at least $650,000 to initiatives in California in the 2004 election cycle.(California Secretary of State, http:/ /cal-access.ss.ca.gov/Campaign/Committees/Detail.aspx?id=3D 10 1 0975&session=3D2003&view=3Dcontrib =A0 Relying only on the limited data available from the Federal Election Commission and the Internal Revenue Service, the Center for Public Integrity, a leading campaign finance watchdog organization, provides an incomplete picture of the Company's political donations. Complete disclosur= e by the company is necessary for the company's Board and its shareholders to be able to fully evaluate the political use of corporate assets. =A0 Although the Bi-Partisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002 prohibits corporate contributions to political parties at the federal level, it allows companie= s to contribute to independent political committees, also known as 527s. =A0 Absent a system of accountability, corporate executives will be free to use the Company's assets for political objectives that are not shared by and ma= y be inimical to the interests of the Company and its shareholders. There is currently no single source of information that provides the information sought by this resolution. That is why we urge your support for this critical governance reform. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@qwest.net Sun Sep 03 12:11:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@qwest.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15753 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2006 19:03:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2006 19:03:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net) (63.231.195.114) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 19:03:12 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-08.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-08.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.8]) by mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id 7D4A7621C1A for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 19:02:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-174-223.phnx.qwest.net (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (130.13.174.223) by mpls-pop-08.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 19:02:57 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 12:02:56 -0700 Message-ID: To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 In-Reply-To: <20060903184553.19150.qmail@web80407.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 63.231.195.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=264393189; y=IaLRpiOb4v4FiWnwZ0cyATJtGV_F9RHLbnmkChOAASOW6X5TGg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On 9/3/06 11:45 AM, "David Gleason" wrote: > There is nothing more to say because this is another of your exaggerations. > The radio broadcasters of the US are very minor contributors to political > campaigns and this can be proven via a review of public records. Mark Mays CCU CEO contributions... http://www.newsmeat.com/media_political_donations/Mark_Mays.php From amfmdx@qwest.net Sun Sep 03 12:39:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@qwest.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87559 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2006 19:35:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2006 19:35:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net) (63.231.195.112) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 19:35:39 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-01.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-01.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.1]) by mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id 0B5351A997C for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 19:34:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-174-223.phnx.qwest.net (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (130.13.174.223) by mpls-pop-01.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 19:34:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 12:34:24 -0700 Message-ID: To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 In-Reply-To: <20060903184912.45116.qmail@web80401.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 63.231.195.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=264393189; y=Fk6cXgLbukuKKyGSDDrLFHIc3M74-xDEFArlAxrZPu9IAUg0Gg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On 9/3/06 11:49 AM, "David Gleason" wrote: > There are not going to be portables for several years, I suspect. All DACs are > power hogs. My XM Inno is useless on a cross country bike ride, as the battery > lasts less than 4 hours. I have to talke several. It also uses a DAC. Dave, If HD is the savior of the world, why are you listening to XM? Does terrestrial radio programming suck or is it the sound quality? Kevin From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Sep 03 15:31:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85369 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2006 22:28:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2006 22:28:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.157) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 22:28:29 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2006 22:28:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2006 22:28:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2006 22:28:28 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:28:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.2.119 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=Y6Vg2tSFkHiaUydso36J9yHQluI0kWSs8ncOvMunGbhCCt7Q X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kevin - Gilbert, AZ"=20 wrote: > > On 9/3/06 11:49 AM, "David Gleason" wrote: >=20 > > There are not going to be portables for several years, I suspect.=20 All DACs are > > power hogs. My XM Inno is useless on a cross country bike ride, as=20 the battery > > lasts less than 4 hours. I have to talke several. It also uses a=20 DAC. DAB personal-size portables in the UK and Europe currently last upwards=20 of 10 hours on a pair of AA batteries. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From bob_welch550@yahoo.com Sun Sep 03 16:56:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bob_welch550@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62252 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2006 23:52:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2006 23:52:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 23:52:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2006 23:52:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2006 23:52:15 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 23:52:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c6c337$20843270$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.19.95.58 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: Well, I bought an HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213592090; y=fKj94VLbyVyxL_Y-eUDZMOXoP1Bh-nEu67tfFCB8-tEZM4vdllXZ X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 I know I bought a Kenwood setup and was located within The Bay of=20 Fundy when I did this... but, I was amazed to hear 50,000-watt WBZ=20 Boston on the Eastport, Maine wharf right next to the U.S. Coast=20 Guard Station. I know it's not perfect, and perhaps I'm too patient=20 but, I'm sure it'll come along. Radio itself started from extremely=20 humble beginings as far as signal coverage is concerned. And, no... I'm being paid to say none of this by anyone. Bob Welch WDEV Waterbury, VT http://www.wdevradio.com --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > Hey gang.... > Since I am an early adopter of technology, I purchased my second=20 HD Radio=20 > today. > I already bought a Boston Acoustics radio and was less than=20 impressed.. now=20 > I am even more underwhelmed. > Wednesday I bought an Alpine CDA9856 tuner with the T500HD decoder=20 (a=20 > separate $200 piece of equipment they had to stash somewhere under=20 the dash)=20 > and I am very disappointed. > First off, let me say that analog AM radio is safe.. Unless I'm=20 within 20=20 > miles of the WIBC 50,000 watt transmitter, it will not receive and=20 decode=20 > the IBOC signal. The Boston Acoustics radio was the same way, but=20 I thought=20 > the car-stereo would be better.. it wasn't. > FM isn't much better. I live about 40 miles south of=20 Indianapolis, and none=20 > of their class B FM's (50,000 watts at 500 feet) deliver an HD=20 signal to=20 > where I live. Apparently, just like the Boston Acoustics you have=20 to be=20 > within 20-30 miles of them to receive and decode their IBOC data.=20=20 The=20 > coverage of HD radio will certainly be an issue... especially in=20 areas where=20 > the metro area is much larger than Indianapolis. > The only way HD radio will succeed on either band it to improve=20 their=20 > signal, and the only way I know to do this is to discontinue the=20 analog=20 > carrier and dedicate the entire bandwidth to IBOC, and increase=20 the level. > As for audio quality, there is very little difference between FM=20 analog and=20 > FM HD. I'd like to tell you how the AM sounds but I have yet to=20 be able to=20 > pick up any of the AM stations broadcasting with HD.. I guess=20 you've got to=20 > be closer to the transmitter site than I've had time to go. > I was actually pretty excited about my purchase because I wanted=20 to be able=20 > to check out the new music options, but unless I drive north about=20 20 miles,=20 > I can't pick up a single HD broadcast. > I feel like I just wissed away $400... > -Jim- > From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Sep 03 17:08:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2278 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 00:08:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 00:08:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao08.cox.net) (68.230.241.31) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 00:08:38 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060904000837.UODZ27846.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 20:08:37 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id J08Y1V00N2DrW980000000 Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:08:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060903183213.37950.qmail@web80411.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060903183213.37950.qmail@web80411.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <0DD9E6F2-E4FD-4F32-91B2-1C401C742432@cox.net> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 17:08:36 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=BwjA9D1AclYLXZbpi4XccIdHxZFDhfrbG_AjLoAFAJ2bhnmLfnwEvbybciyA X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How radio should serve its OWNERS? That's a new one. Time was when radio was to be in the public interest. A DXer is a listener. I am no longer one because there isn't anything worth tuning into any more. Locally we have the same problem, so I really don't listen much to local radio either. In spite of what you said in an earlier post, radio is in deep trouble. Young people rarely even own a radio any more. Richard On Sep 3, 2006, at 11:32 AM, David Gleason wrote: > Good! I am soi fed up wifth DXers trying to tell radio how to serve > its listeners and owners, I hope all DXers go away. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Sep 03 17:10:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44125 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 00:10:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 00:10:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao12.cox.net) (68.230.241.27) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 00:10:17 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao12.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060904001006.UNHG20060.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 20:10:06 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id J0A01V00T2DrW980000000 Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:10:00 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060903184110.59283.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060903184110.59283.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <6E26939F-0080-48E2-9637-21AA0F63401C@cox.net> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 17:10:04 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=cCSe36hzHYadBiV22uPyPnbxE9C29HObLNuSkvurYCvkNz33j0wyuY09-eaV X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Time spent listening is WAY down. Broadcasters can ignore it and stick their heads in the sand, but radio is doomed unless it changes back to something people want. On Sep 3, 2006, at 11:41 AM, David Gleason wrote: > The data shows that 20 years ago, 95.7% of Americans in radio's > target of 25-54 listened weekly. Today it is 95.3%. That is not > even a half percent in 20 years, and can easily be attrributed to > cooperation percentages just as much as to Americans working longer > hours. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mrcomment@yahoo.com Sun Sep 03 17:21:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mrcomment@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44238 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 00:17:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 00:17:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.23) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 00:17:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 00:17:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 00:17:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 00:17:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060902182734.91541.qmail@web80403.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.139.177.171 From: "mrcomment" Subject: Re: AM problems, reggaeton and other herbs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193606338; y=hE7xUIcRAClUlKgu1FhdCB3lKwO7wQCmAz1101UUg-fcLchM X-Yahoo-Profile: mrcomment --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, David Gleason =20 wrote: > > The manufacturers were just give design spec 2.0 90 or so days=20 ago. 49 car models from 7 manuefacturers will have HD next year. Car=20 converters are coming for November. Over 1000 HD stations are on the=20 air, and over 1000 more signed up and waiting for equipment, which=20 is backordered by as much as 9 months. Manufacturers are on board in=20 a HUGE way.=20 >=20=20=20=20 > The consumer launch just began 5 weeks ago. There are dozens of=20 radios in the process of design, after which they will be prototyped=20 and manufacturerd.=20 >=20=20=20=20 > Intel just invested a huge amount of money in iBiquity to=20 jointly develop new chipsets with lower power consumption.=20 >=20=20=20=20 > Satellite has taken no more than 0.4 of radio's share. In fact,=20 radio in its core demos of 25-44 has not lost even 0.5% of its users=20 int he last 20 years. All the stuff about iPods and similar taking=20 from free terrestrial radio is an absolute fabrication. And there=20 are figures to prove it.=20 >=20 Once again, a lot of B.S. from someone (Gleason) who probaby=20 convinced their management to buy IBOC equipment. First off,=20 they've been pushing radios for over a year. The "new" campaign=20 just replaces the idiotic "Are you Def yet" campaign. The only=20 thing "deaf" was/is the radios.=20=20 Having it as an expensive option on cars is meaningless. My buddy=20 just bought a new BMW. At the dealership, he asked what is this HD=20 option. The salesman told him to forget about it (no real benefit)=20 and get Sirius. Yeah, that approach will sell a lot of radios.=20=20 Unless it is a standard option, is it pointless, and not a single=20 manufacturer has said they were going to make it standard equipment=20 while a bunch now offer XM or Sirius as standard. Intel invested a small amount (by their standards) 8 months ago=20 because they were pushing their Xscale chip. Guess what? Xscale=20 has been sold to Broadcom. You won't see another penny from Intel=20 and most of their investors already want out. They didn't even have=20 a booth at NAB, saying everyone was "too busy" making radios. The only reason some equipment is back-ordered is that it is too=20 damn buggy to deploy. Many stations are going live on what is=20 something less than even beta-test level software.=20=20=20 The bottom line is that it is a yawn at best, and much more likely,=20 a disappointment for the average consumer. For those interested in=20 maintaining the signal quality in bands, it is nothing short of a=20 disaster. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Sep 03 18:35:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68712 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 01:25:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 01:25:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.26) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 01:25:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 01:23:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 01:23:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 01:23:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.2.119 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: AM problems, reggaeton and other herbs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=DSi9UWZtK20MOfVESpqDdK6z7KehmeFmM-FfUMxxG94ZLbPv X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "mrcomment" wrote: > The bottom line is that it is a yawn at best, and much more likely,=20 > a disappointment for the average consumer. For those interested in=20 > maintaining the signal quality in bands, it is nothing short of a=20 > disaster. What's either funny, startling, scary, or just plain sad, is that IBOC=20 is actually having a HARDER time3 than AM stereo did since its open- market rollout in 1984.... At least AM stereo, regardless of system, WORKED. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Sep 03 18:51:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86936 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 01:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 01:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52212.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.135) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 01:50:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 67318 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Sep 2006 01:49:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20060904014940.67314.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.243] by web52212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 18:49:40 PDT Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 18:49:40 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060903033357.71007.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=c8E_DzaI823FS2W-enePNsqQ-LFjRg4XWq1jXWasazY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- David Gleason wrote: > You are the reason why I no longer care to be a > DXer. You are against the future of the very > industry that creates DXable stations, and are full > of hatrred and lies. No he's not. Kevin just pulls your chain. He knows what buttons to push. And you oblige so well. It's SO very revealing to see. AND THIS IS AN AM STEREO LIST DAVID !!!! WHY ARE YOU HERE ??? YOU'VE MADE YOUR HATRED OF AM STEREO WELL KNOWN ON OTHER LISTS !!! > HD had a very precise set of steps. First, create > the station base. So? > This, due to manufacturing (HD > gear is seriously backlogged as Harris, Nautel, BE, > etc. are not going to expand facilities for a > one-shot propostion, only to have to scale back. > THis has taken much longer than it should have. And a lot of the stuff didn't work the first or second or third exciter. The Dextar called the DEATHSTAR well....never mind. Harris' next unit is better but.... > iBiquity was turned down by broadcasters several > times over the AM system, and finally got i´t pretty > right a bit over a year ago. It's not remotely close to working on MW. > The third step was to get HD 2 on. Not though of > initially as a major part of selling the receiver > manufacturers, it turned out, mostly due to PBS, to > be a major advantage. We now have hundreds and > hundreds of HD2 stations on in 68 of th etop 100 > markets, covering close to 75% of the US population. And no real format worth mentioning. > The next step was to get the final design spec to > manufacturers, which was late and done earlier this > year. It is there, and there are apparently about 20 > manufacturers working on radios, not including the > desgns for the nearly 50 car models that will have > HD next year. There's going to have to be a miracle perfomed to get the thing working on MW. The current functionality of AM sections in 2007 cars is very saddening....make that sickening. > The fianl step was to launch the $200 million ad > campaign, starting a month ago. The Sound of Silence. > The currently under design radios will take about > 180 days to start hitting the channels. Peter > Ferrara, head of the HD Consortium, believes there > will be real market strength around summer of next > year, once radios introduced at the CES show get > into stores. I surely will not hold my breath. > This is a multi year plan, and, while delayed due > to the design issues, it is still a major effort. > Last week there was the announcement of HD in cars, > and an announcement of a rollout of many models of > radios in Radio Shack in the coming months... 400 > stores in the NYC area alone. Radio Shack...the deaf HD receptor. > I understand how much you hate radio, Kevin. Your > ignorance of the economics of the industry are at > fault, and I really have to laugh at how much you > want to have radio fail... so much that you pot lies > about listening levels, satellite penetration and > other things. WRONG, David, AS USUAL > May all your receivers burn in hell, and may your > DXing friends have a decade of summer static. That's what IBOC will do to regular listeners, not just DX'ers. The sound of silence....that's it! Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Sep 03 18:52:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60186 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 01:50:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 01:50:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52214.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.137) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 01:50:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 78065 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Sep 2006 01:50:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20060904015024.78063.qmail@web52214.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.243] by web52214.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 18:50:24 PDT Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 18:50:24 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <9548869F-3725-4C77-80A0-F3BD7250C8CC@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=KalxeMSWyzryvc9CSJQqDo6WFl0DT2K_uAzt734g_UI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > Um ... HD destroys DX capability. HD at night on MW will destroy most listening. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Sep 03 19:02:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99387 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 01:53:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 01:53:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52214.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.137) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 01:53:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 78698 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Sep 2006 01:52:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20060904015224.78696.qmail@web52214.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.243] by web52214.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 18:52:24 PDT Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 18:52:24 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060903183213.37950.qmail@web80411.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=ujdKeVH532KYErPLNED3ryIYCf6Qz43Pl_9Mz4yUsEQ X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- David Gleason wrote: > Good! I am soi fed up wifth DXers trying to tell > radio how to serve its listeners and owners, I hope > all DXers go away. THIS IS AN AM STEREO LIST NOT A "DX" LIST! With your well know hatred of AM Stereo, David, JUST W H Y are you on this list. DX'ers are the "radio canary"...... Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Sep 03 19:04:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53157 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 01:58:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 01:58:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52201.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.124) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 01:58:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 63169 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Sep 2006 01:57:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20060904015747.63167.qmail@web52201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.243] by web52201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 18:57:47 PDT Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 18:57:47 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060903184110.59283.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.124 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=YaHjMSBKtymRMnF-3UqPQfbY2KrbMqUg5ijts4XbiuE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- David Gleason wrote: > Kevin deserves everything I said, and more. He has > been fabricating realsons to dislike boradcasters > that are eithe rmisinterpreted data or terrmible > lies for many years. No... Use a spelling checker or learn how to type. > His most recent absurd lie was to say that there > is an overall loss of listeners to free radio. The > data shows that 20 years ago, 95.7% of Americans in > radio's target of 25-54 listened weekly. Today it is > 95.3%. That is not even a half percent in 20 years, > and can easily be attrributed to cooperation > percentages just as much as to Americans working > longer hours. Um yeah..... > Kevin, on the other hand, accuses radio companies > of things (in the past) like having too much debt to > serve the public (untrue... most colsolidation was > merger and equity based) of beeing dishonest (a > diatribe years ago about Clear Channel in Phoenix) > and such. There are some large groups that do have too much debt. It's one of the C's and it's not CC, though CC is considering disposing of a LOT of small and medium market stations not performing. Not performing in a lot of cases due to poor management and programming choices. > AM radio is in death throes in the US, as the > younger (meaning under 45 years of age) folks do not > listen much if any. The share of listening by 12 to > 45 is 9% nationally, vs 90.6% for FM and 0.4% for > satellite. AM is not listened to because it sucks > quality wise. This is why even talk formats are > migrating to FM (WTOP, WNLS, KSL, KTAR) where > younger listeners will hear them in the quality they > demand. You are only PARTLY correct. But lets not let that stop you. If quality radios were made.... > HD may not be in time, but without it AM has > already died. HD radio on MW will be like opening all the watertight doors on the Titanic after the iceberg mortally damaged the ship. > I am honestly fed up with the folks like Kevin who > twist facts and outright lie about radio, radio > listening, HD, etc., to supprte an agenda that > benefits only him hand his few hundred nutty DX > cronies. No he hasn't. DX'ers are the "radio canaries" Powell > Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, > David Gleason wrote: > > > > [snip] > > I'm not sure this even deserves any dignified > comment, other than it > demonstrates a lack of credibility. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Sep 03 19:06:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93280 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 01:58:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 01:58:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52207.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.130) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 01:58:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 39612 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Sep 2006 01:58:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20060904015841.39610.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.243] by web52207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 18:58:41 PDT Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 18:58:41 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060903184227.14986.qmail@web80402.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=kL6EPPDSnRfnMoJ3XtR1ZsC12CmtUrVADU59MXpkQNw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- David Gleason wrote: > When you lie big-time about my industry I will call > you out. You lied about radio listening, and are not > even aware that you lied, so blinded are you by your > hatred of broadcasting. He doesn't have a hatred of radio. But you need to take a pill. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Sep 03 19:09:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32870 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 02:03:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 02:03:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52205.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.128) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 02:03:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 71920 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Sep 2006 02:03:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20060904020353.71918.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.243] by web52205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:03:53 PDT Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 19:03:53 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060903184912.45116.qmail@web80401.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=m_Z98s0pzFDz0zUrpdnQ6yBklbc9GJRU-eCbVqlqz68 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- David Gleason wrote: > There are not going to be portables for several > years, I suspect. All DACs are power hogs. My XM > Inno is useless on a cross country bike ride, as the > battery lasts less than 4 hours. I have to talke > several. It also uses a DAC. WHAAAAT? You have XM? But that should be illegal for someone in radio to have.... Bruce Carter who works for TI says years. Power consumption will come down in about 3 to 5 generations of chips. > Early this year, iBiquity and Intel forged an > alliance, with Intel taking a significant position > in iBiquity with the purpose of codeveloping a chip > or chipset for HD / analog radio which will be > suitable for portables. Not for that. Previous posts on that. > But, keep in mind, 70% of all radio listening is > not "on the go" so this is not a priority. Cars and > home radios are the main target. To be blunt, there really aren't ANY home "radios" anymore. And most devices that supposedly receive something called AM and FM in addtion to other things, well they BARELY qualify. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Sep 03 19:18:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31519 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 02:06:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 02:06:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52212.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.135) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 02:06:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 70907 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Sep 2006 01:59:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20060904015958.70905.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.243] by web52212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 18:59:58 PDT Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 18:59:58 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060903184553.19150.qmail@web80407.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Eh1Dekk5mJBUMpY6CbULxh4wUvbjMviHfjFAO_sZ-E4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- David Gleason wrote: > There is nothing more to say because this is another > of your exaggerations. The radio broadcasters of the > US are very minor contributors to political > campaigns and this can be proven via a review of > public records. Later post roasted you on that, oh, Cinder of Ash David.... Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Sep 03 19:25:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57781 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 02:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 02:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52215.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.138) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 02:23:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 12029 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Sep 2006 02:23:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20060904022328.12027.qmail@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.243] by web52215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:23:28 PDT Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 19:23:28 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060904020353.71918.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Hmmm [OT] a European designed radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=sts1Pn50tji1mgrh89jkXKFcoELmgubxQVtQ1d_-18c X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I know we have some folks from afar here.....I got a Telefunken Julilate 305, made in Italy. I paid a whole $4.00 for it. Covers MW 510 to 1620 kilohertz. SW-2 5.8 to 12.5 megahertz. SW-1 under 15 to 23 megahertz. FM USA coverage. It didn't work when I got it. Ah, set up for 220 volts. It came to life when set up for USA mains. FM great. AM nothing but no antenna. It got one SW station. I'll stick a wire in the antenna hole and see if the AM works. Does anyone know the wiring for the DIN plug in the back for the PU ? Anyone have any idea for the age of this unit? It is solid state, of course. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Sep 03 19:29:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93435 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 02:27:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 02:27:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52215.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.138) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 02:27:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 14091 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Sep 2006 02:27:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20060904022740.14089.qmail@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.243] by web52215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:27:40 PDT Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 19:27:40 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001601c6cbd3$fce609b0$f0c5be42@yourfd6nvjcer4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ampro Board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=ShW1MyFxshlnEibbNnjoL18GoDbJ78HXxFu1hT2n22k X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Joe, You are lucky the Ampro board worked ok. WKDK *HAD* one in production service, but those push button switches were a design disaster. After being removed from service the correct advise would be to drive over it with a steam roller. What's worse than an Ampro board....????? An AMPRO cart machine. EWWWWWW! Stereo no less. Double EWWWWWW!! Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Sun Sep 03 19:39:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65942 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 02:38:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 02:38:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 02:38:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 02:38:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 02:38:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 02:38:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060904015958.70905.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.108.129.144 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=9nCop2QqTLQoiAfz26EQw6RenCsRHo7knKIS2KDCkGU1xkJEwWDRMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" = wrote: > >=20 >=20 > --- David Gleason wrote: >=20 > > There is nothing more to say because this is another > > of your exaggerations. The radio broadcasters of the > > US are very minor contributors to political > > campaigns and this can be proven via a review of > > public records.=20 >=20 > Later post roasted you on that, oh, Cinder of Ash > David.... >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20 > Powell >=20 > w4opw@... > NNNN! > I think David is just annoyed because his baby, KLVE, is dropping in rating= s. As a PD, I=20 would think he would be more concerned with fixing that problem then postin= g on this=20 board trying to convert seasoned IBOC atheists to HD Radio. db From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Sep 03 20:15:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14847 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 03:09:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 03:09:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s16.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.88) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 03:09:07 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.20]) by bay0-omc1-s16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 3 Sep 2006 20:04:43 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 20:04:42 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 03:04:40 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 03:04:40 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Sep 2006 03:04:42.0580 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE434140:01C6CFCE] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Thank You Falettinme Be Mice Elf Agin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=PnUZn6hcHPmlevISihCncPyb02e57HgRfOg6hXUC0SKPEkjlYr5E0b5d6W4 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo --- David Gleason wrote: >Kevin deserves everything I said, and more. He has >been fabricating realsons to dislike boradcasters >that are eithe rmisinterpreted data or terrmible >lies for many years. No... Use a spelling checker or learn how to type. ----------------------------------------------------------- Remember Sly and the Family Stone? Sometimes these "new words" can earn a person (or family) a bundle! i.e.: Thank You Falettinme Be Mice Elf Agin! From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Sep 03 20:32:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78138 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 03:27:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 03:27:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.92) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 03:26:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 03:25:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 03:25:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 03:25:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.114 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Wait a minute, please! (Was: AM problems, reggaeton and other herbs) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=uMMp7ooRUb0hR1CpMy12peMrqEpGdUMt_ZK93oUt9WsOH6FfJA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI AM STEREO FANS!!!!!!! Please, boys, stop, wait a minute, please!!! Is it an AM Stereo forum? or A personal war? We don't need kill somebody!!! Please, Why not to try to change the point of view of this forum and=20 concentrate the discussion only in technical points (without=20 personnal attacks)? DOES SOMEBODY WANT TO ANSWER THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS WITH ONLY THE=20 TRUTH, NOTHING MORE THE TRUTH? 1) Comparing analog AM (mono or stereo) with AM-IBOC, Which of them=20 can to reach up to 25 miles (40 kilometers) away the transmitter with=20 a "decent" signal to noise ratio, daytime and nighttime, with only 1=20 (one) KiloWatt of power? 2) Comparing analog AM (mono or stereo) with AM-IBOC, Which system is=20 more cheap to both broadcasters and listeners? 3) Comparing analog AM (mono or stereo) with AM-IBOC, Which=20 system "observes" the typical AM bandwidth without creates=20 interferences into the adjacent channels, daytime and nighttime? 4) Can somebody guarantees us the advertising agencies will invest in=20 AM radios again if it converts to IBOC? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Sep 03 20:37:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65980 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 03:35:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 03:35:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.112) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 03:35:27 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 03:35:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 03:35:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 03:35:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 03:35:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.253.128 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Getting things back on track... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=n7FzVRnpTXTOFR1RMzrRnjsEoi4up1P9dQ9YVcriHAIN6ds-DA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Due to complaints, I have placed David Gleason under moderated=20 status. I have nothing against anyone who supports HD Radio, but aggression and personal attacks towards fellow Forum members will not be tolerated. In this time of uncertainty regarding the=20 long-term future of AM radio, it is important for us to maintain a congenial atmosphere in this Forum. Regards, Kevin Tekel Founder & Co-Moderator of The AM Stereo Forum From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Sep 03 21:36:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12946 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 04:30:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 04:30:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 04:30:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 04:29:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 04:29:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 04:29:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.12.95 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Wait a minute, please! (Was: AM problems, reggaeton and other herbs) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=ogwVREy18NTsCM4kil3PrJyECU7MGnkIGvRmQZ0fg7V9YUKG X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > DOES SOMEBODY WANT TO ANSWER THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS WITH ONLY THE=20 > TRUTH, NOTHING MORE THE TRUTH? >=20 > 1) Comparing analog AM (mono or stereo) with AM-IBOC, Which of them=20 > can to reach up to 25 miles (40 kilometers) away the transmitter=20 with=20 > a "decent" signal to noise ratio, daytime and nighttime, with only=20 1=20 > (one) KiloWatt of power? The ERP (effective radiated power) of the IBOC subcarrier is about=20 1kW for a 50kW station, and that's about t5he practical limit=20 presently observed- If you get a signal at all, you get the "digital"=20 S/N ratio- ie: no noise, just audio. There migh be digital noise,=20 though- chiirps, artifacts, other errors.... But even an analogue AM=20 station will have a reasonably low noise floor with 1kW at 25 miles.=20 The thing is, it's stable. Even with occasional interference, it=20 doesn't drop out. > 2) Comparing analog AM (mono or stereo) with AM-IBOC, Which system=20 is=20 > more cheap to both broadcasters and listeners? Analogue AM, even stereo, is cheaper than IBOC. Not counting=20 transmitter, antenna tower, and audio/media storage equipment (which=20 is constant in all), the additional stereo modulation monitor,=20 exciter and processor for AM stereo costs about US$12-15,000 NEW,=20 which it's quite common to get these second-hand, and able to go=20 under $3000. IBOC costs much more, equipment and royalty fees for=20 using the system. (There are no royalty fees for C-QUAM!) > 3) Comparing analog AM (mono or stereo) with AM-IBOC, Which=20 > system "observes" the typical AM bandwidth without creates=20 > interferences into the adjacent channels, daytime and nighttime? IBOC conforms to the NRSC mask, but the mask was intended for=20 analogue audio, which is mostly harmonics, anyway. Consequentially,=20 IBOC ends up being "loud", causing interference with adjacent=20 channels. Analogue AM does not have this problem. Even C-QUAM doesn't=20 add to this problem. (One of the reasons the FCC approved C-QUAM was=20 because it didn't generate harmonics that caused interference. Harris=20 was shut down because it did. Kahn's system should've been at the=20 same time since it had a similar problem with harmonics, but because=20 there was support, it was tolerated, until the FCC got fed up with=20 Leonard Kahn's antics. > 4) Can somebody guarantees us the advertising agencies will invest=20 in=20 > AM radios again if it converts to IBOC? No. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Sep 04 10:02:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35947 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 16:59:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 16:59:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52206.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.129) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 16:59:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 17921 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Sep 2006 16:59:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20060904165912.17919.qmail@web52206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.141] by web52206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 09:59:12 PDT Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 09:59:12 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Wait a minute, please! (Was: AM problems, reggaeton and other herbs) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=eQ71BTZvGCEeI852P_xMRO1PsKxQsYul9sOP9Kueucs X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jotape1960 wrote: > HI AM STEREO FANS!!!!!!! > > Please, boys, stop, wait a minute, please!!! > > Is it an AM Stereo forum? or A personal war? > > We don't need kill somebody!!! > > Please, Why not to try to change the point of view > of this forum and > concentrate the discussion only in technical points > (without > personnal attacks)? > > DOES SOMEBODY WANT TO ANSWER THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS > WITH ONLY THE > TRUTH, NOTHING MORE THE TRUTH? > > 1) Comparing analog AM (mono or stereo) with > AM-IBOC, Which of them > can to reach up to 25 miles (40 kilometers) away the > transmitter with > a "decent" signal to noise ratio, daytime and > nighttime, with only 1 > (one) KiloWatt of power? I can answer that. I got to play with the IBOC radio in the Columbia SC CC's chief's Jeep Liberty. At 10 miles from the transmitter, WCOS on 1400 is perfectly listenable. The IBOC continuosly stuttered and dropped back to analog. Now WCOS has a 5/8 wave tower and the late Bobby Lambert set the whole thing up. The tower and ATU were so well done it was plug and play. > 2) Comparing analog AM (mono or stereo) with > AM-IBOC, Which system is > more cheap to both broadcasters and listeners? Analog by far. > 3) Comparing analog AM (mono or stereo) with > AM-IBOC, Which > system "observes" the typical AM bandwidth without > creates > interferences into the adjacent channels, daytime > and nighttime? ONLY analog can make this promise. > 4) Can somebody guarantees us the advertising > agencies will invest in AM radios again if it >converts to IBOC? No. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From wnmb@sc.rr.com Mon Sep 04 11:16:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38735 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 18:12:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 18:12:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.195) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 18:12:17 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 18:12:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 18:12:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 18:12:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 18:12:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.70.68.101 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: The Bottom line question about IBOC from an AM Broadcaster. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=HrXbeRE-79MZeqN5R3BQyzwWaBnuVB_8mEiUkIhp_xBUnw X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Will converting to IBOC take my AM Radio station to a level playing=20 field with FM? Anything less is not acceptable because AM will still be perceived as=20 inferior by the general public. From amfmdx@qwest.net Mon Sep 04 11:28:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@qwest.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83093 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 18:28:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 18:28:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net) (63.231.195.114) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 18:28:56 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-13.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-13.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.13]) by mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id C8D32621C77 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2006 18:28:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-174-223.phnx.qwest.net (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (130.13.174.223) by mpls-pop-13.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 18:28:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 11:28:51 -0700 Message-ID: To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 63.231.195.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Bottom line question about IBOC from an AM Broadcaster. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=264393189; y=rscjdBPipE9FRlpj3rncFYiazKHgLOmL45E0Uqsb_qyl4z4Dzg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On 9/4/06 11:12 AM, "Bill Norman" wrote: > Will converting to IBOC take my AM Radio station to a level playing > field with FM? No. > Anything less is not acceptable because AM will still be perceived as > inferior by the general public. The MW [AM] IBOC will be FM quality and the VHF BCB [FM] will be CD quality, so sayeth the creators of the noise maker. Therefore MW will still be inferior. Kevin From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon Sep 04 13:32:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+7tpW+75+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15154 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 20:26:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 20:26:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 20:26:05 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.92]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 112581193 for ; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 15:25:12 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <006f01c6d061$23b04ec0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 15:31:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 2, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.92 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=jaCd79Z5vdDuFHiD1KRN11Pq3flMJ2IKo4oJlGP8O9KAtU3sxK4O X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Despite whatever opinion you may have of Salem's news-talk stations, the trend is to put traffic and weather four times an hour all day except overnights. I first heard it on our Chicago station and now we're doing it in Minneapolis/St.Paul. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" > > If I need traffic info and weather outside of morning or afternoon drive > times, I'm fortunate that my area is one covered by an XM weather and > traffic channel. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon Sep 04 13:34:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+7tpW+75+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50587 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 20:34:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 20:34:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 20:34:08 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.92]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 110205079 for ; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 15:33:56 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <009801c6d062$5c02d620$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <022d01c6cd04$1a1d2a00$1f04a8c0@PossumHunter> Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 15:40:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.92 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=um_ADGzjyV1uLIDI0nO5Vdo1HyoHA6EBzOUgcMcbSTdBkX90a_Qy X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude MOYL stations often don't even subscribe to Arbitron. They know how and what to sell to the 55+ crowd and many do it quite profitably. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > Ian.Davidson@csiro.au wrote: > > How is the Music of Your Life format going in the US? > > > > I enjoyed the tapes of WSUN a few years ago. Is this format still alive? > > YES! And you can even listen to it online at http://www.musicofyourlife.com/ > By looking at the long list of radio stations that carry to programming, it > looks like Music Of Your Life will be around for a while. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Sep 04 14:10:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26267 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 21:03:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 21:03:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s13.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.85) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 21:03:28 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.81]) by bay0-omc1-s13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 4 Sep 2006 14:02:08 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 4 Sep 2006 14:02:08 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.48 by BAY106-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:02:03 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:02:04 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Sep 2006 21:02:08.0014 (UTC) FILETIME=[61F1AAE0:01C6D065] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=BMKv8UBzogizC2xapSespOkb2tZkvxI074dMFZWoK1UwS8BYdX9d4SvT9mo X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The two talk/news stations owned by Salem that I can receive do have the weather and traffic several time an hour.... and that is better than the ClearChannel talk/news and infomercial stations that I can receive. (I've always thought news/talk was slightly deceptive and ClearChannel started that, to the best of my knowledge; I have seen some newspapers refer to the stations that mostly talk refer to them as talk/news). Now the other two Salem stations in the area are religious/political talk and to the best of my knowledge I have never heard local traffic on them; they do have local high school football games to their credit. (or at least they used to). As far as Music of Your Life goes, one of the stations that is now talk/news was a MOYL station before the change in ownership and they (the prior local owners) never seemed to have a lack of sponsors and they did a lot of live remotes, from restaurants, from carpet shops, heath food stores, a local wine and citrus shop etc. I'm sure during the switch over from MYOL they lost most of their 50+ crowd, but gained as many listeners from the younger crowd that expects talk on the MW/AM band and not music. Interesting enough, although the old WGUL was live and local from 5:30am through 7pm (their own automation during other hours), they had very little traffic information, unless it was something major, but no set traffic schedule. It be interesting to see if come November, the new WGUL will still carry the daily news from Toronto with host Prior Smith, that seemed to be a popular feature for all the Canadians here from November though March. Donn -----Original Message----- From: Scott Todd Sent: Monday, September 4, 2006 4:31 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question Despite whatever opinion you may have of Salem's news-talk stations, the trend is to put traffic and weather four times an hour all day except overnights. I first heard it on our Chicago station and now we're doing it in Minneapolis/St.Paul. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" > > If I need traffic info and weather outside of morning or afternoon drive > times, I'm fortunate that my area is one covered by an XM weather and > traffic channel. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Sep 04 14:47:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35621 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 21:46:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 21:46:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.171) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 21:46:56 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 21:45:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 21:45:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 21:45:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:45:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.12.95 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: The Bottom line question about IBOC from an AM Broadcaster. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=wa0RnRU0yxssItd6rZG243mQT7GiApyzup_nEAXw5wBdHqfc X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > > Will converting to IBOC take my AM Radio station to a level playing=20 > field with FM? No. > Anything less is not acceptable because AM will still be perceived as=20 > inferior by the general public. Stick to the C-QUAM. You're being heard. :) Just FYI, though- Your=20 contour barely gets into Myrtle Beach proper, so I'm wondering- Are you=20 getting regular listeners in Myrtle Beach? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon Sep 04 15:09:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+7tpW+75+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1287 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 22:02:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 22:02:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 22:02:48 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.92]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 113289595 for ; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 17:02:42 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <013801c6d06e$c2ba3140$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 17:09:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 4, First 4, in=3, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.92 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=ys-VEmL4QqJuzc2gNbDiNK8FCQmor5GbdpAEj2F24F6bWwHv8PU3 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The objection to E147 wasn't that it was invented in Europe, but that it would give the 250w daytimer polka station the same coverage as the 100kW FM rocker. The audio coding for E147 is also obsolete. Any digital system will need to have some system of upgrades as coding systems improve. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: > > If there was a care about standards and providing decent services to listeners the authorities would have embraced Eureka DAB. But of course this technology was developed in Europe. And we couldn't have that, could we? From amdavid@pacbell.net Mon Sep 04 15:23:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 74147 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 22:23:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 22:23:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.196) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 22:23:01 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n5.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 22:22:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 22:22:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 22:22:52 -0000 X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93940 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 03:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 03:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80401.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.56) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 03:58:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 17695 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Sep 2006 03:56:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20060904035655.17693.qmail@web80401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.102.4.242] by web80401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:56:55 PDT Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 20:56:55 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=39oTnuz6dPTFXaeP4lI-UpVx5IRNGLewzBlbpGm877Qa2Lm7cg X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 04 Sep 2006 22:22:52 -0000 And that is not considered adequate for the American consumer. They are looking for 30+ hours per set of batteries. Who is going to speand about $2 for one day of listening? Amy Mousie wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" wrote: > > On 9/3/06 11:49 AM, "David Gleason" wrote: > > > There are not going to be portables for several years, I suspect. All DACs are > > power hogs. My XM Inno is useless on a cross country bike ride, as the battery > > lasts less than 4 hours. I have to talke several. It also uses a DAC. DAB personal-size portables in the UK and Europe currently last upwards of 10 hours on a pair of AA batteries. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Mon Sep 04 15:26:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11531 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 22:25:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 22:25:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 22:25:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 22:25:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 22:25:53 -0000 X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68313 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 04:12:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 04:12:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80411.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 04:12:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 49301 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Sep 2006 04:11:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20060904041136.49299.qmail@web80411.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.102.4.242] by web80411.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 21:11:36 PDT Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 21:11:36 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060904014940.67314.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=iF1OBAA_sg4MVqMf39epRHBJCNg-v0oTZaZM_iu1sqaBvAol3g X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 04 Sep 2006 22:25:53 -0000 I was one of the early believers in AM stereo. In the late 70's, I had sign= ed orders with two of the 5 competing systems to be the first AM stereo sta= tion in the US. I had among the first 5 for two other systems.=20 =20=20 Then Leonard Kahn messed with things and AM stereo arrived to late. I could= not save the AM I was with (and turned it brokered talk) and thought that = the whole scenario was perhaps the biggest disaster I had ever seen. Kahn, = the FCC and the industry did all they could to make sure that AM stereo arr= ives after AM was discared as a music medium in the minds of listeners.=20 =20=20=20 Today, we have about everyone under 45 believing that AM has horrible qua= lity, and those under 35 barely know what AM is. All this due to the fiasco= that was the introduction of AM stereo... a system that I watched an engin= eer vomit from listening to before, years later, they fixed platform motion= ... and which made stations hard to lsiten to in their null areas. =20=20=20 So, that is why I am here: as one of the earliest supporters on the plane= t of AM stereo who was let down by several groups who, collectively, destro= yed AM broadcasting.=20 "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 --- David Gleason wrote: > You are the reason why I no longer care to be a > DXer. You are against the future of the very > industry that creates DXable stations, and are full > of hatrred and lies.=20 No he's not. Kevin just pulls your chain. He knows what buttons to push. And you oblige so well. It's SO very revealing to see.=20 AND THIS IS AN AM STEREO LIST DAVID !!!! WHY ARE YOU HERE ??? YOU'VE MADE YOUR HATRED OF AM STEREO WELL KNOWN ON OTHER LISTS !!!=20 > HD had a very precise set of steps. First, create > the station base. So?=20 > This, due to manufacturing (HD > gear is seriously backlogged as Harris, Nautel, BE, > etc. are not going to expand facilities for a > one-shot propostion, only to have to scale back. > THis has taken much longer than it should have.=20 And a lot of the stuff didn't work the first or second or third exciter. The Dextar called the DEATHSTAR well....never mind. Harris' next unit is better but.... > iBiquity was turned down by broadcasters several > times over the AM system, and finally got i=B4t pretty > right a bit over a year ago.=20 It's not remotely close to working on MW.=20 > The third step was to get HD 2 on. Not though of > initially as a major part of selling the receiver > manufacturers, it turned out, mostly due to PBS, to > be a major advantage. We now have hundreds and > hundreds of HD2 stations on in 68 of th etop 100 > markets, covering close to 75% of the US population. And no real format worth mentioning.=20 > The next step was to get the final design spec to > manufacturers, which was late and done earlier this > year. It is there, and there are apparently about 20 > manufacturers working on radios, not including the > desgns for the nearly 50 car models that will have > HD next year.=20 There's going to have to be a miracle perfomed to get the thing working on MW. The current functionality of AM sections in 2007 cars is very saddening....make that sickening.=20 > The fianl step was to launch the $200 million ad > campaign, starting a month ago.=20 The Sound of Silence.=20 > The currently under design radios will take about > 180 days to start hitting the channels. Peter > Ferrara, head of the HD Consortium, believes there > will be real market strength around summer of next > year, once radios introduced at the CES show get > into stores.=20 I surely will not hold my breath.=20 > This is a multi year plan, and, while delayed due > to the design issues, it is still a major effort. > Last week there was the announcement of HD in cars, > and an announcement of a rollout of many models of > radios in Radio Shack in the coming months... 400 > stores in the NYC area alone.=20 Radio Shack...the deaf HD receptor.=20 > I understand how much you hate radio, Kevin. Your > ignorance of the economics of the industry are at > fault, and I really have to laugh at how much you > want to have radio fail... so much that you pot lies > about listening levels, satellite penetration and > other things.=20 WRONG, David, AS USUAL=20 > May all your receivers burn in hell, and may your > DXing friends have a decade of summer static. That's what IBOC will do to regular listeners, not just DX'ers.=20 The sound of silence....that's it!=20 Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Mon Sep 04 15:28:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46364 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 22:22:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 22:22:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.211) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 22:22:54 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 22:21:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 22:21:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 22:21:55 -0000 X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34844 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 03:55:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 03:55:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80405.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.60) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 03:55:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 37408 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Sep 2006 03:55:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20060904035543.37406.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.102.4.242] by web80405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:55:43 PDT Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 20:55:43 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=9DlETwcPxssW9TtlNysRm7sKGzbHbfqYRpzNm7aYrsOJ5OIXfg X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 04 Sep 2006 22:21:53 -0000 I have XM because I have a home in aplace where there is very little terrestrial radio to be heard.... and also because for three years, I programmed 5 of the XM channels. "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" wrote: On 9/3/06 11:49 AM, "David Gleason" wrote: > There are not going to be portables for several years, I suspect. All DACs are > power hogs. My XM Inno is useless on a cross country bike ride, as the battery > lasts less than 4 hours. I have to talke several. It also uses a DAC. Dave, If HD is the savior of the world, why are you listening to XM? Does terrestrial radio programming suck or is it the sound quality? Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Mon Sep 04 15:32:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14888 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 22:30:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 22:30:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.182) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 22:30:06 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 22:26:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 22:26:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 22:26:58 -0000 X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16240 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 04:27:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 04:27:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80403.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.58) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 04:27:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 72279 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Sep 2006 04:25:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20060904042549.72277.qmail@web80403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.102.4.242] by web80403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 21:25:49 PDT Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 21:25:49 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060904020353.71918.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=4NVgGGV3mx0P2GHsLVg3t27q-rZkFjb-JHi3QnxQVM2TdtVWSA X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 04 Sep 2006 22:26:56 -0000 Well, when I asked the CEO of iBiquity about battery life and portables, he referred to the Intel deal as having a principal objective of reducing the cost of the chips and reducing the power for portables. So I guess you know more? Over 35% of AM and FM listening is in the home, most on cheap analog kitchen and bedroom clock radios. There is tons of research on this. On the other hand, less than 30% is done in the car. "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: --- David Gleason wrote: > There are not going to be portables for several > years, I suspect. All DACs are power hogs. My XM > Inno is useless on a cross country bike ride, as the > battery lasts less than 4 hours. I have to talke > several. It also uses a DAC. WHAAAAT? You have XM? But that should be illegal for someone in radio to have.... Bruce Carter who works for TI says years. Power consumption will come down in about 3 to 5 generations of chips. > Early this year, iBiquity and Intel forged an > alliance, with Intel taking a significant position > in iBiquity with the purpose of codeveloping a chip > or chipset for HD / analog radio which will be > suitable for portables. Not for that. Previous posts on that. > But, keep in mind, 70% of all radio listening is > not "on the go" so this is not a priority. Cars and > home radios are the main target. To be blunt, there really aren't ANY home "radios" anymore. And most devices that supposedly receive something called AM and FM in addtion to other things, well they BARELY qualify. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Mon Sep 04 15:32:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 80227 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 22:30:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 22:30:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 22:30:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 22:29:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 22:29:43 -0000 X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32483 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 04:36:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 04:36:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80405.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.60) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 04:36:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 50682 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Sep 2006 04:36:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20060904043617.50680.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.102.4.242] by web80405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 21:36:17 PDT Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 21:36:17 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Wait a minute, please! (Was: AM problems, reggaeton and other herbs) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=83tEkMSqyHNSjI_b0Wxym4-zDz2ikMyMlyR1gxAuiEx7SWcEXA X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 04 Sep 2006 22:29:40 -0000 You ask an impossible question. AM coverage for one power level depends on = frequency, directionality and ground conductivity. There is no way to answe= r your question. =20=20=20 However, in our experience, with a bunch of AM HD stations (one going bac= k neasrly 20 months) we find the usable HD signal extends at least to the l= imits of usability for the analog, and is often better.=20 =20=20=20 HD requires a major investment. This is particularly true if an AM antenn= a system has to be retuned for bandwidth broadening. Licensees have to dete= rmine if the station is worth it. In the US, a majority of AM stations are = worthless in the short term... either they are metro area stations that do = not cover the whole market, or they are daytimers or they are low power and= can not compete with class B or C FMs.=20 =20=20=20 There is one metro, Washington DC, where no AM station fully covers the m= arket. there are many where only 1 or 2 cover it well. There are very few w= here there are 3 to 4 good signals.=20 =20=20=20 Advertisers do not care if a staitn is AM or FM in the US. They look at t= he ratings within the age groups that they want to buy (generally somewhere= in the 25-54 age range and never teens or 55 and over). AM has ceased to a= ppeal to most of the desirable age groups, so it is truly in a process of d= eath.=20 jotape1960 wrote: HI AM STEREO FANS!!!!!!! Please, boys, stop, wait a minute, please!!! Is it an AM Stereo forum? or A personal war? We don't need kill somebody!!! Please, Why not to try to change the point of view of this forum and=20 concentrate the discussion only in technical points (without=20 personnal attacks)? DOES SOMEBODY WANT TO ANSWER THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS WITH ONLY THE=20 TRUTH, NOTHING MORE THE TRUTH? 1) Comparing analog AM (mono or stereo) with AM-IBOC, Which of them=20 can to reach up to 25 miles (40 kilometers) away the transmitter with=20 a "decent" signal to noise ratio, daytime and nighttime, with only 1=20 (one) KiloWatt of power? 2) Comparing analog AM (mono or stereo) with AM-IBOC, Which system is=20 more cheap to both broadcasters and listeners? 3) Comparing analog AM (mono or stereo) with AM-IBOC, Which=20 system "observes" the typical AM bandwidth without creates=20 interferences into the adjacent channels, daytime and nighttime? 4) Can somebody guarantees us the advertising agencies will invest in=20 AM radios again if it converts to IBOC? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Mon Sep 04 15:33:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 40145 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 22:33:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 22:33:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.162) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 22:33:53 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 22:33:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 22:33:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 22:33:53 -0000 X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16019 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 04:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 04:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80409.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 04:41:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 685 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Sep 2006 04:40:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20060904044001.664.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.102.4.242] by web80409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 21:40:01 PDT Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 21:40:01 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Getting things back on track... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=cOioEmDdgcE0pck0qjrGcNeLIMcAYXnuNsDRgkrQ-3DxBZZijw X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Edited-By: kevtronics X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 04 Sep 2006 22:33:50 -0000 [Moderator's Note: Please see my reply to this message.] I see, Kevin... you lied about ratings, about political contributions, about Clear Channel selling stations, about HD coverage, about debt of radio companies, and a number of other things too numerous to list, and now you don't want your devious nature exposed. That is really sad, Kevin. You had a free forum to dismiss my comments, which contained true, verifiable facts, yet I can not defend myself against your accusations. This certainly confirms everything I believed about you. I am taking this to Yahoo Groups with documented evidence from Arbitron and elsewhere. I have lived under totalitarian regimes, and resent your setting a little one up on your own. "Kevin T." wrote: Due to complaints, I have placed David Gleason under moderated status. I have nothing against anyone who supports HD Radio, but aggression and personal attacks towards fellow Forum members will not be tolerated. In this time of uncertainty regarding the long-term future of AM radio, it is important for us to maintain a congenial atmosphere in this Forum. Regards, Kevin Tekel Founder & Co-Moderator of The AM Stereo Forum [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Mon Sep 04 15:35:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 91670 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 22:34:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 22:34:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 22:34:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 22:34:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 22:34:15 -0000 X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32331 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 04:44:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 04:44:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80404.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.59) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 04:44:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 60983 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Sep 2006 04:44:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20060904044433.60981.qmail@web80404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.102.4.242] by web80404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 21:44:33 PDT Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 21:44:33 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.79.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Wait a minute, please! (Was: AM problems, reggaeton and other herbs) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=HGrPrMe3e1jYZKHS4_M2We0dFkGxhOVXew-THaOFQcD__FUp9w X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 04 Sep 2006 22:34:15 -0000 I will answer just one of these. You have to do real world testing. Our experience in multiple markets has been that the HD signal is usable at least as far as the HD one. KTNQ in LA (and all AMs in LA) requres about a 12 to 15 mv/m signal to overcome local noise and man made interference. This has been borne out by a huge study of ratings, where nearly all the listening to LA stations is within the 15 mv/m contour in the market. The HD signal is very viable to at least the 10 mv/m analog contour, where the analog signal is unacceptable by listeners per actual data from years of Arbitron diaries in this and other markets. In many cases, the HD signal will extend the usable range of the station (althouh not, necessariily, on some of the early reeceivers out there). Amy Mousie wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > DOES SOMEBODY WANT TO ANSWER THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS WITH ONLY THE > TRUTH, NOTHING MORE THE TRUTH? > > 1) Comparing analog AM (mono or stereo) with AM-IBOC, Which of them > can to reach up to 25 miles (40 kilometers) away the transmitter with > a "decent" signal to noise ratio, daytime and nighttime, with only 1 > (one) KiloWatt of power? The ERP (effective radiated power) of the IBOC subcarrier is about 1kW for a 50kW station, and that's about t5he practical limit presently observed- If you get a signal at all, you get the "digital" S/N ratio- ie: no noise, just audio. There migh be digital noise, though- chiirps, artifacts, other errors.... But even an analogue AM station will have a reasonably low noise floor with 1kW at 25 miles. The thing is, it's stable. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Sep 04 15:51:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17313 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 22:49:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 22:49:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.186) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 22:49:27 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 22:49:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 22:49:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 22:49:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 22:49:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060904044001.664.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.253.128 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Getting things back on track... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=1HehIo1VDjbcf5RA-kht19tVvPMgIFSyeTikYY_MeRPyU7UvyQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics David, you are confusing two different Kevins here. I am Kevin Tekel=20 from New Jersey, and I have nothing to do with the comments posted by=20 the other Kevin from Arizona. And for the time being, discussions involving ratings and political=20 contributions will not be accepted in this Forum. David, you have=20 already made it clear that you believe AM radio is dying and that=20 IBOC is our only hope to save it. You were saying that three years=20 ago, and your story hasn't changed at all since then. But if you=20 have anything else to contribute here -- hopefully with at least some=20 relevance to AM Stereo -- I will gladly accept it. Regards, Kevin Tekel Founder & Co-Moderator of The AM Stereo Forum --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, David Gleason =20 wrote: > I see, Kevin... you lied about ratings, about political=20 contributions, about Clear Channel selling stations, about HD=20 coverage, about debt of radio companies, and a number of other things=20 too numerous to list, and now you don't want your devious nature=20 exposed. That is really sad, Kevin. You had a free forum to dismiss=20 my comments, which contained true, verifiable facts, yet I can not=20 defend myself against your accusations. This certainly confirms=20 everything I believed about you.=20 >=20=20=20=20 > I am taking this to Yahoo Groups with documented evidence from=20 Arbitron and elsewhere. I have lived under totalitarian regimes, and=20 resent your setting a little one up on your own.=20 >=20 > "Kevin T." wrote: > Due to complaints, I have placed David Gleason under=20 moderated=20 > status. I have nothing against anyone who supports HD Radio, > but aggression and personal attacks towards fellow Forum members > will not be tolerated. In this time of uncertainty regarding the=20 > long-term future of AM radio, it is important for us to maintain > a congenial atmosphere in this Forum. >=20 > Regards, > Kevin Tekel > Founder & Co-Moderator of The AM Stereo Forum >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Sep 04 15:58:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49157 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 22:57:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 22:57:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.153) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 22:57:00 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n10.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 22:56:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 22:56:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 22:56:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 22:56:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <013801c6d06e$c2ba3140$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.12.95 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=w09mUoJ4FvGtlgm_xctvuEYKowWxitAYc_EC1dY1zbSoAiaj X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > The objection to E147 wasn't that it was invented in Europe, but=20 that it > would give the 250w daytimer polka station the same coverage as the=20 100kW FM > rocker.=20 This objection was made at a time when stations weren't grouped=20 together in ownership as they are now. > The audio coding for E147 is also obsolete. Any digital system > will need to have some system of upgrades as coding systems improve. There is a move now to upgrade E147 DAB multiplexes from MP2=20 (selected at the time because it didn't have the patent stigma and=20 other royalty issues of MP3) to AAC+, which can deliver the same=20 quality at a quarter of the bandwidth. The trouble with this move is=20 that it makes many non-firmware-upgradable DAB radios obsolete. The=20 advantage is, it brings DRM and DAB closer to a unified standard,=20 collectiuvely called "Digital Radio". (I know- How original.) As far as I know, there haven't been any interference issues with the=20 Canadian and Mexican L-Band transmissions across the border into the=20 US (Windsor and Vancouver are notable examples), and being that=20 Sirius and XM operate at a different subband within L-Band, I haven't=20 heard of any issues concerning interference between satellite and=20 terrestrial digital radio, either way. Although Band III would=20 probably be preferred, L-Band seems to work out well for either side=20 of the border. (A common myth is that E147 DAB must be in either Band III or L-Band.=20 I've seen the E147 definition, and the band to be used is not=20 specified. The Chinese use a part of the FM broadcast band (Band II).=20 DAB could easily be configured for any band above 50MHz, if=20 interference is an issue.) There is no real reason why America can't use DAB, not even over=20 competition. It would be very easy for group owners to use entire=20 multiplexes just for their own stations. There is no guarantee that=20 all multiplexes are going to have the same coverage. Most of the Canadian cities covered by DAB are served with two=20 multiplexes each. One has a third. They each have their owqn coverage=20 areas. DAB channels (each multiplex is a single channel, although=20 there may be 5-9 stations on each multiplex) may be as many as 20=20 allocations (figure 7-10 without causing adjacent-channel=20 interference, if any, per coverage area). Sure, it may be a more=20 level playing field, but that means stations actually have to make an=20 effort on their own merits, something American stations have been lax=20 to do. And the military? They don't even use most of the spectrum=20 they've been allocated, they could stand to lose a band or two=20 without any loss of service. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Sep 04 16:02:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52629 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 22:58:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 22:58:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.185) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 22:58:55 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 22:57:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 22:57:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 22:57:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 22:57:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060904035655.17693.qmail@web80401.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.12.95 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=PG5M51MR4Eqvzpptr2285OMktGJ8MpPTu9JQSUX9Bf7bTBwx X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, David Gleason wrote: > > And that is not considered adequate for the American consumer. They=20 are looking for 30+ hours per set of batteries. Who is going to speand=20 about $2 for one day of listening?=20 >=20 NiMHs. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Sep 04 16:05:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64691 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 23:05:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 23:05:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 23:05:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 23:04:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 23:04:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 23:04:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060904044001.664.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.12.95 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Getting things back on track... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=89ntSdQfOCwQZIsjejkOwHtrABlz_0nYzAQW2NB9NjAIGbdc X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, David Gleason wrote: > > [Moderator's Note: Please see my reply to this message.] >=20 > I see, Kevin... you lied about ratings, about political=20 contributions, about Clear Channel selling stations, about HD coverage,=20 about debt of radio companies, and a number of other things too=20 numerous to list, and now you don't want your devious nature exposed.=20 That is really sad, Kevin. You had a free forum to dismiss my comments,=20 which contained true, verifiable facts, yet I can not defend myself=20 against your accusations. This certainly confirms everything I believed=20 about you.=20 I've suspected this, and am beginning to wonder if Mr. Gleason is aware=20 there are at least three DIFFERENT Kevins on this forum...? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From wnmb@sc.rr.com Mon Sep 04 16:08:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80990 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 23:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 23:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.102) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 23:08:00 -0000 Received: from D333DQ61 (cpe-071-070-068-101.sc.res.rr.com [71.70.68.101]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k84M1Efv007146 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2006 18:01:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000a01c6d06d$a3782310$6701a8c0@D333DQ61> To: References: Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 18:01:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "WNMB" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Bottom line question about IBOC from an AM Broadcaster. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=iir2S_mKaj0w6EvFHowiu8ajXohv1OlW_mTdBzmLchtGww X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, Amy. We are directional with 60% of our signal heading north right through our city of license. We do have some Myrtle Beach listeners, but it is not our focus. In a sea of fm stations, we thrive on being the station for North Myrtle Beach. We know we are being heard in AM Stereo. We hear from listeners every day and there are new ones all the time. As I said in an earlier post, I don't think my fellow broadcasters realize how many c-quam receivers are out there in the autos today. Also, forgive my arrogance, but I will gladly submit to any comparison of fidelity and separation between the AM Stereo and FM Stereo on equal receivers. AMS has better separation and since we are not playing FM loudness wars, a better overall fidelity. It is truly a shame for any AM station not be in stereo today. Plus, the more I find out about IBOC the more skeptical I become. Just imagine what kind of IBOC coverage my 500 watt station would have, and then compare to my almost full range of AM Stereo signal compared to mono. I am going to stick to the AM Stereo and continue to promote it heavily. ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Mousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 5:45 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: The Bottom line question about IBOC from an AM Broadcaster. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > > Will converting to IBOC take my AM Radio station to a level playing > field with FM? No. > Anything less is not acceptable because AM will still be perceived as > inferior by the general public. Stick to the C-QUAM. You're being heard. :) Just FYI, though- Your contour barely gets into Myrtle Beach proper, so I'm wondering- Are you getting regular listeners in Myrtle Beach? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@qwest.net Mon Sep 04 16:14:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@qwest.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12509 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 23:13:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 23:13:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net) (63.231.195.115) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 23:13:17 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-09.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-09.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.9]) by mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id B56FC22DD2F for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2006 23:11:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-174-223.phnx.qwest.net (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (130.13.174.223) by mpls-pop-09.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 23:11:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 16:11:08 -0700 Message-ID: To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 In-Reply-To: <20060904035543.37406.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 63.231.195.115 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=264393189; y=IejkOgiapn5QIZdSTzL9lLXIC7QnhAS5k0FWrMiMJnEt9C2Ofg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Is it true what dbdigital wrote, that KLVE is dropping in the ratings? Kevin From amfmdx@qwest.net Mon Sep 04 16:30:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@qwest.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24376 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 23:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 23:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net) (63.231.195.113) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 23:24:40 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-12.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-12.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.12]) by mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id 2FED4461620 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2006 23:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-174-223.phnx.qwest.net (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (130.13.174.223) by mpls-pop-12.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 23:23:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 16:23:37 -0700 Message-ID: To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 In-Reply-To: <000a01c6d06d$a3782310$6701a8c0@D333DQ61> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 63.231.195.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Bottom line question about IBOC from an AM Broadcaster. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=264393189; y=s8waHLasNGyA2ZmqyiS8x8mViI3o_HQwIxIYQdAjq6XbBGcSIw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On 9/4/06 3:01 PM, "WNMB" wrote: > I am going to stick to the AM Stereo and continue to promote it heavily. God bless you for that brother! Kevin From amfmdx@qwest.net Mon Sep 04 16:34:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@qwest.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34732 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 23:25:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 23:25:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net) (63.231.195.113) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 23:25:25 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-12.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-12.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.12]) by mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id B1E90461617 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2006 23:19:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-174-223.phnx.qwest.net (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (130.13.174.223) by mpls-pop-12.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 23:19:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 16:19:53 -0700 Message-ID: To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 In-Reply-To: <20060904035543.37406.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 63.231.195.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=264393189; y=5iCxB80eWJFjbb4Ed-4g9RNxeK7AGE_3qVDMqnENXAdhq9clhw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On 9/3/06 8:55 PM, "David Gleason" wrote: > I have XM because I have a home in aplace where there is very little > terrestrial radio to be heard.... and also because for three years, I > programmed 5 of the XM channels. If you live in Hassayampa, you should be able to hear plenty of signals. I can hear plenty there without any DX radio. Out of curiosity, what channels did you program? Kevin From amfmdx@qwest.net Mon Sep 04 16:47:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@qwest.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13610 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 23:46:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 23:46:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net) (63.231.195.112) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 23:46:11 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-06.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-06.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.6]) by mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id 7E42C1A9914 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2006 23:22:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-174-223.phnx.qwest.net (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (130.13.174.223) by mpls-pop-06.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 23:22:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 16:22:45 -0700 Message-ID: To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 In-Reply-To: <20060904044001.664.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 63.231.195.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Getting things back on track... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=264393189; y=tzM6tz4alTt84zZbrhrMSiBY_0Q-_RL8702tjA5BMt0toeOuMg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On 9/3/06 9:40 PM, "David Gleason" wrote: > I see, Kevin... you lied about ratings, about political contributions, about > Clear Channel selling stations, about HD coverage, about debt of radio > companies, and a number of other things too numerous to list, and now you > don't want your devious nature exposed. I posted the political contributions. The data is hard to refute. There are 3 different Kevin's on this list. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Sep 04 16:52:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41706 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 23:43:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 23:43:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52205.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.128) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 23:43:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 95707 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Sep 2006 23:43:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20060904234323.95705.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.112] by web52205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 16:43:23 PDT Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 16:43:23 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060904035543.37406.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=q9UN24tRUqlT53gqEI18pxdkeWg9myziD4KB1ffvROs X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- David Gleason wrote: > I have XM because I have a home in aplace where > there is very little terrestrial radio to be > heard.... and also because for three years, I > programmed 5 of the XM channels. Which ones? Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Sep 04 16:55:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42753 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 23:48:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 23:48:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52201.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.124) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 23:48:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 92975 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Sep 2006 23:45:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20060904234552.92973.qmail@web52201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.112] by web52201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 16:45:51 PDT Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 16:45:51 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060904042549.72277.qmail@web80403.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.124 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=wXMSYFJUQl_ZQvGf7angglRSiTdWDAk7UkRLcLw3eGc X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- David Gleason wrote: > Well, when I asked the CEO of iBiquity about battery > life and portables, he referred to the Intel deal as > having a principal objective of reducing the cost of > the chips and reducing the power for portables. So I > guess you know more? Already in the press releases. > Over 35% of AM and FM listening is in the home, > most on cheap analog kitchen and bedroom clock > radios. There is tons of research on this. On the > other hand, less than 30% is done in the car. It's amazing how cheap these radios are. And they *ALMOST* work. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Sep 04 16:59:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5064 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 23:53:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 23:53:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52205.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.128) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 23:53:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 99668 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Sep 2006 23:53:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20060904235315.99666.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.112] by web52205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 16:53:15 PDT Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 16:53:15 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Bottom line question about IBOC from an AM Broadcaster. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=3a0TwNHM5mNbx1_gnkWVFdw3NTK_CQ-JBvHk5FhxAdU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Bill Norman wrote: > Will converting to IBOC take my AM Radio station to > a level playing > field with FM? No. You'll have AM that sounds awful ( you have a music format) and range is considerably less than usable anlog is. Now if everyone has a HD radio and anlog is gone, the answer is yes. > Anything less is not acceptable because AM will > still be perceived as inferior by the general >public. By the time analog is gone, AM will have expired. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Sep 04 17:11:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 274 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2006 00:07:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2006 00:07:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.187) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2006 00:07:09 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2006 00:06:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2006 00:06:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2006 00:06:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 00:06:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c6d06d$a3782310$6701a8c0@D333DQ61> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.63.156 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: The Bottom line question about IBOC from an AM Broadcaster. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=gYxyWECPHQdL0yqK2glHxbeJRui46ZvqEDzRj5df3zMm5nE2 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "WNMB" wrote: > > No, Amy. We are directional with 60% of our signal heading north=20 right through our city of license. We do have some Myrtle Beach=20 listeners, but it is not our focus. In a sea of fm stations, we=20 thrive on being the station for North Myrtle Beach. We know we are=20 being heard in AM Stereo. We hear from listeners every day and there=20 are new ones all the time. As I said in an earlier post, I don't=20 think my fellow broadcasters realize how many c-quam receivers are=20 out there in the autos today. Also, forgive my arrogance, but I=20=20 will gladly submit to any comparison of fidelity and separation=20 between the AM Stereo and FM Stereo on equal receivers. AMS has=20 better separation and since we are not playing FM loudness wars, a=20 better overall fidelity. It is truly a shame for any AM station not=20 be in stereo today. Plus, the more I find out about IBOC the more=20 skeptical I become. Just imagine what kind of IBOC coverage my 500=20 watt station would have, and then compare to my almost full range of=20 AM Stereo signal compared to mono. (Me, the radiomousie) I don't mind that you don't have coverage into=20 Myrtle Beach proper- You're serving NMB quite well, as far as I can=20 tell. :) I was just curious if you were getting any listeners in=20 Myrtle Beach at all, because sometimes, even if it's not in your=20 intended audience, some might have just that good a setup that can=20 still receive you. :) I've been saying for YEARS now that the broadcasters have no clue=20 just how many AMS radios are out there-- The car manufacturers refuse=20 to put out any data as to how many they've installed, but a=20 reasonable track record is that about a quarter of cars from the=20 three traditionally-American automaters (or about 10% overall, many=20 having been in service greater than the average of 3 years new), and=20 most people have no clue they HAVE an AMS receiver if they do- It's=20 not usually disclosed anymore, and haven't been for at least the last=20 15 years or so. I can't believe this hasn't been exploited (except by=20 Radio Disney, and only because some SUVs and minivans came with AMS=20 as standard. Now, they are converting to IBOC without thinking of the=20 existing market!)- Everywhere you go, you'll fiund at least 10% of=20 the potential audience will have stereo! It's badly underserved! I've been listening to AM stereo most of my life, now, and I know=20 about the fidelity and the experience- I can't imagine life without=20 it. It's disheartening that there's so little left to listen to inn=20 stereo, now... Sadder still that I have to rely on Canadians for my=20 AMS fix! > I am going to stick to the AM Stereo and continue to promote it=20 heavily.=20 Go get 'em, Bill! :D Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Sep 04 21:55:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12594 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2006 04:55:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2006 04:55:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao11.cox.net) (68.230.241.28) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2006 04:55:27 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao11.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060905045522.BBG13992.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2006 00:55:22 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id JUvP1V00h2DrW980000000 Tue, 05 Sep 2006 00:55:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060904035543.37406.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060904035543.37406.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 21:55:21 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=OXeDyHHlZJGfv1EA4sasv1AcELXUJaDx5il0nMCerX_4o7mLVnolezkav7yj X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Which ones? On Sep 3, 2006, at 8:55 PM, David Gleason wrote: > and also because for three years, I programmed 5 of the XM channels. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Sep 04 21:58:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58371 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2006 04:56:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2006 04:56:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao02.cox.net) (68.230.241.37) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2006 04:56:54 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060905045626.ROPN12581.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2006 00:56:26 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id JUwT1V0032DrW980000000 Tue, 05 Sep 2006 00:56:27 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060904042549.72277.qmail@web80403.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060904042549.72277.qmail@web80403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 21:56:25 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=spVpXahvX-COK7HQAEKgk_-lJJwZsuYA1DVpsZLpXz0vg9PtZ6ynPVm8ex42 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So audio quality shouldn't matter at all. Seems the formats are the real reason for lack of AM listening. On Sep 3, 2006, at 9:25 PM, David Gleason wrote: > Over 35% of AM and FM listening is in the home, most on cheap > analog kitchen and bedroom clock radios. There is tons of research > on this. On the other hand, less than 30% is done in the car. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Tue Sep 05 05:11:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74855 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2006 11:58:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2006 11:58:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2006 11:58:55 -0000 Received: from [4.247.123.215] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GKZYT-0003hM-HY for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 07:57:26 -0400 Message-ID: <380-22006925115726921@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.112.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 07:57:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcf3a4f4aa065efa91403f6a56d12ba84f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And obvious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=Ymb3WxQfX1VsuHw18vQdt-FQ2K512ImLHpCOVs9PXQVuJg At the time WGUL switched over to talk, I emailed Prior Smith, and he replied that he was in contact with WGUL about the possibility of continuing with the station. Although I never listen to talk radio (and therefore probably won't be hearing him), I realize that his target audience is Canadians who are visiting Florida. The real question is whether they will listen to the station in order to hear him. Dick W. Donn Tillman said: > It be interesting to see if come November, the new WGUL will still carry the daily news from Toronto with host Prior Smith, that seemed to be a popular feature for all the Canadians here from November though March. > > Donn From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Sep 05 08:03:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28448 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2006 14:59:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2006 14:59:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flpvm23.prodigy.net) (207.115.20.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2006 14:59:35 -0000 X-ORBL: [68.251.251.45] Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-251-251-45.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.251.251.45]) by flpvm23.prodigy.net (8.13.7 out spool5000 dk/8.13.7) with SMTP id k85EwVWo029079 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2006 07:58:32 -0700 Message-ID: <007601c6d0fb$c1c2b6d0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <20060904043617.50680.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 10:58:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0635-5, 09/04/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.20.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Wait a minute, please! (Was: AM problems, reggaeton and other herbs) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=31bt6GhX7fuQjTlCApKpFwls79-sBhRc8sVsdcHf46eI0-s X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > "David Gleason" wrote: > > You ask an impossible question. AM coverage for one power level > depends on frequency, directionality and ground conductivity. > There is no way to answer your question. > > However, in our experience, with a bunch of AM HD stations > (one going back neasrly 20 months) we find the usable HD signal > extends at least to the limits of usability for the analog, and is often > better. There is a way to answer the question. As I've posted on previous occasions, I purchased a Boston Acoustics HD radio back in February, and 2 weeks ago I purchased an Alpine CDA9856 receiver with an Alpine TUA-T500HD decoder. For the past 2 weeks I have tested this receiver under many conditions, and your comment isn't even close to being factual ("we find the usable HD signal extends at least to the limits of usability for the analog, and is often better"). In fact, I don't even think iBiquity is making the claim that their product "extends the usable limit". Here are the facts, as I find them, after using the Boston Acoustics radio for 7 months and the Alpine for 2 weeks: While listening to a 50,000 watt AM station (specifically, WLW, WHAS and WIBC), the HD signal is usable up to about 35 miles, before data loss starts effecting the audio with drop outs. Switching the radio to analog mode, I find the static-free listening area to be about 50 miles and a "usable" signal to be about 70 miles (somewhat less for WIBC, but much more for WLW). Unfortunately, neither WLW or WHAS broadcast in HD on a regular basis, so my testing is very limited, but WIBC runs the buzzsaw 24/7, so my experience with them is more documented. Here are a couple of other considerations... Since many AM station (especially the 50,000 watt 'former clears') are also sports affiliates, how will they handle the long delay in HD encoding/decoding during live sports events? Look at the crowd at an NFL or MLB game and you see thousands of people listening with their Walkman. In addition, many radio broadcasters ask listeners to turn down the TV audio and listen to the radio play-by-play on the radio for the 'local' perspective. Do you think they will ask CBS or FOX to delay the video 10-15 seconds so it will stay in sync with their HD broadcast? There is still the nagging issue of night-time usage of IBOC. The FCC has yet to approve IBOC for nighttime use. This will probably change, but it will open up a new can of worms, including compliance issues with our broadcast treaties with Canada and Mexico. It will also further limit 'usable' coverage of the HD signal. WLW will interfere with WOR, as will WGN, and vice-versa, in their own ADIs (I'm not talking about heir secondary contour or DXing). I don't have ground-conductivity charts, and I don't have a field strength meter (which wouldn't really mean much)... all I have are 2 different HD Radios, and in my testing the opposite of what you say is true. The usable HD signal is only 60%-70% of the usable analog signal. Even less for FM but that's another story. When you speak of "our experience", exactly who are you referring to? -Jim- From pdmtr@yahoo.com Tue Sep 05 10:29:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32684 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2006 17:23:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2006 17:23:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2006 17:23:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2006 17:22:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2006 17:22:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 17:22:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060904022328.12027.qmail@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 62.38.241.145 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: Hmmm [OT] a European designed radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=g-yiKqiJY_GXga2xebjXbUBVKabw0RPH8Y0uZl_ebDg X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 Well I'm not familiar with that specific Telefunken radio but for the=20 DIN jack you should take a look at=20 www.bnoack.com/data/DINconnector.html=20 to see wich one is your case...=20 However if the FM band is covering only up to 104MHz is older than=20 ~1970 while the full band model was used from 1973-75 at Germany Best regards Sotiris --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > > I know we have some folks from afar here.....I got a > Telefunken Julilate 305, made in Italy. I paid a whole > $4.00 for it. Covers MW 510 to 1620 kilohertz.=20 > SW-2 5.8 to 12.5 megahertz.=20 > SW-1 under 15 to 23 megahertz. > FM USA coverage. >=20 > It didn't work when I got it. Ah, set up for 220 > volts. It came to life when set up for USA mains. FM > great. AM nothing but no antenna. It got one SW > station. I'll stick a wire in the antenna hole and see > if the AM works. Does anyone know the wiring for the > DIN plug in the back for the PU ? Anyone have any > idea for the age of this unit?=20 >=20 > It is solid state, of course.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > w4opw@... > NNNN! > From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Sep 05 13:13:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73849 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2006 20:12:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2006 20:12:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.127) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2006 20:12:12 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2006 20:11:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2006 20:11:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2006 20:11:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:11:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007601c6d0fb$c1c2b6d0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.127 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.63.156 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Wait a minute, please! (Was: AM problems, reggaeton and other herbs) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=ibbTL_teu8q40KWtPzra0QX9fIHqNT-DFFDuAQVD9d-_zvXP X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > Here are a couple of other considerations... Since many AM station=20 > (especially the 50,000 watt 'former clears') are also sports=20 affiliates, how=20 > will they handle the long delay in HD encoding/decoding during live=20 sports=20 > events? Look at the crowd at an NFL or MLB game and you see=20 thousands of=20 > people listening with their Walkman. The "official" solution is for the stations to drop to analogue. That's progress? That's acknowledgement that analogue actually does something better=20 than digital. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Sep 05 21:06:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85281 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2006 04:02:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2006 04:02:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.211) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2006 04:02:24 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2006 04:02:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2006 04:02:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2006 04:02:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 04:02:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.105 From: "jotape1960" Subject: AM problems, IBOC and other herbs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=J97i0U4weMm0H4ccSfMI4uhwmTnqKSbJy5e5cyXD4i1RLg5Bzw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI AM STEREO FANS!!!!!!! After read a lot of postings I have so clear IBOC is doomed to the=20 failure, at least in MW AM band. But nobody gave a good reason about the coberture area. When I talked=20 about noise, of course we must to talk about two different kind of=20 noise: 1) analog noise (typical natural and/or human interferences=20 or "fried" potatoes), and 2) digital noise (anything we don't want to=20 be there or error codes). Where is exactly the boundary area of an=20 IBOC 1 (only one) KW station? (I wanna mean without any noise or=20 errors) 10 miles? 20 miles? 30 miles? 40 miles? 50 miles? ???? I insist with one kilowatt only because it's my case and the most of=20 AM radios here, in Chile. You must to know Chile doesn't have a very=20 advanced economy (despite of the goberments said). Then, an 1 KW=20 analog AM radio station is still so expensive to us. Again I discovered the wheel: I know most young people don't spend=20 their time to listen MW AM or SW DX stations. But if they listen FM=20 is just a miracle! Most young people only know about MP3 players=20 today. BUT THE YOUNG PEOPLE WASN'T, AREN'T AND NEVER WILL BE THE=20 MAJOR BUYER MARKET (because they don't have enough money)!!! And the=20 stations have to sell products to... the real buyer market. Knowing the risk to be treated as a complete fool, I think we can=20 change the young people behaviour with educational tricks like=20 homeworks, for example (I'm a teacher too). But, WHO CAN CHANGE THE=20 ADVERTISING AGENCIES BEHAVIOUR ABOUT THE AM BAND? I'm really thinking to invest to change my station into analog AM=20 Stereo very soon, even knowing there aren't enough tuners here (and I=20 don't wanna work with C-QUAM, ha ha ha). I will do only because I'm=20 an old AM lover man (and I'm a SSB lover too, ha ha ha). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Sep 06 08:06:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5555 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2006 15:05:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2006 15:05:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52212.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.135) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2006 15:05:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 8011 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Sep 2006 15:05:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20060906150511.8009.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.232.195.134] by web52212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 08:05:11 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 08:05:11 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hmmm [OT] a European designed radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=7PSybXB8K1cYM42vF3mzE8hMQJMXtzSNWa5efBOVS0A X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Sotiris wrote: > Hi > > Well I'm not familiar with that specific Telefunken > radio but for the > DIN jack you should take a look at > www.bnoack.com/data/DINconnector.html > to see wich one is your case... > However if the FM band is covering only up to 104MHz > is older than > ~1970 while the full band model was used from > 1973-75 at Germany > Best regards > Sotiris Will do. The FM covers 88 to 108 as listed on the dial. It's a very good sounding radio for being so small. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Sep 06 10:22:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67270 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2006 17:22:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2006 17:22:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.161) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2006 17:22:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 80098 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Sep 2006 17:20:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20060906172036.80096.qmail@web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 10:20:36 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 10:20:36 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: AM problems, IBOC and other herbs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=UnppFIVUciR4SG4eNJyGuI1dK9Yfg9zoaIkb5TTkGrtlfS746A4uzPg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Juan, you should seriously look into installing a Kahn ISB AM Stereo system at your station. Listeners can use the two identical radio trick for stereo until there are more radios in the area. There are engineers here on the list that can tell you about installing a Kahn system. Let us know! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Sep 06 12:43:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+WzHw+77+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6349 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2006 19:36:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2006 19:36:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2006 19:36:12 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.100]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 112975678 for ; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 12:52:23 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c6d1de$21f53220$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 12:58:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 1, in=4, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.100 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM problems, IBOC and other herbs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=PrsGAAkM8AcP-kNxq66fxLXI7yLSkGF3Lyd8xU2jtPPdPeKYZwcZ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude With technology at its current state, the advantages of ISB over CQUAM are minimal. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" I'm really thinking to invest to change my station into analog AM Stereo very soon, even knowing there aren't enough tuners here (and I don't wanna work with C-QUAM, ha ha ha). I will do only because I'm an old AM lover man (and I'm a SSB lover too, ha ha ha). 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Sep 07 00:09:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7875 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 07:01:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2006 07:01:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2006 07:01:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 07:01:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 07:01:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 07:01:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.61 From: "jotape1960" Subject: ISB AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=ixNFe3Euc6UJY8i8qW0vSOxhVQrhpaEsW8ELTdL-a2maBJsgQA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI AM STEREO FANS!!!!!!! Well, as all of you know, AM Stereo is a dead thing in my country=20 (Chile). More precisely, it never was an option because nobody did a=20 good "campaign" about it. Then we don't have an official rule about=20 it here. So, I will do something: an experiment (but with some "permanent"=20 results, hahaha) with ISB AM Stereo, only because I want to do it. Of=20 course I've talked with a good friend engineer about the diagrams,=20 etc. (because I'm not an engineer). But I won't follow the Kahn idea because I don't like the "matrix"=20 system. We will try to obtain pure sidebands, without any "external"=20 tricks, only filters. Well, it's only an experiment. I know I won't win any extra money=20 with it. It's just an experiment. But I know it will be more cheap=20 than a Motorola C-QUAM exciter. In any case, we will still have our standard 1 KW AM mono transmitter=20 (if something doesn't work properly). The only one thing I can't understand is: IF SOMEBODY (not a broadcaster) READ THE 30 or 40 LAST POSTING OF=20 THIS FORUM, I'M SURE HE/SHE WOULD THINK: "EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS THE AM=20 WILL BE DEAD SOON AND NOBODY DOES SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!! WHY?" Why? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Sep 07 00:57:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66470 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 07:54:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2006 07:54:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.188) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2006 07:54:55 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n21.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 07:54:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 07:54:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 07:54:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 07:54:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.1.128 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: ISB AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=1sNwM77yffMbWGxrknhACy7TKKdmv-NR0UF642Orh3H9kIc2 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie If you want to do true ISB AM stereo, with no phase modulation, no=20 quadrature modulation, no matrixingor anything like that, here's an=20 idea borrowed from a 1934 patent I read (I forget which one, sorry),=20 which modulates the oscillator using diodes as filters, and modulating=20 the input between oscillator and diode so each sideband would be=20 modulated independently. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Sep 07 01:22:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47952 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 08:22:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2006 08:22:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2006 08:22:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 08:21:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 08:21:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 08:21:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.1.128 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: ISB AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=omonwgh329hVLNAw6DCKvfS2sCkAZYI9hsSU6Q3_KPjAAHuF X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Let me correct this a bit: What you want to do is put two diodes after=20 the oscillator and modulate the output from the diode-influenced=20 positive and negative oscillation goes through the RF stages of the=20 transmitter. This way you independently and directly modulate the upper=20 and lower sidebands. There might be phase distortion, which might=20 explain why it was rarely ever used. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > If you want to do true ISB AM stereo, with no phase modulation, no=20 > quadrature modulation, no matrixingor anything like that, here's an=20 > idea borrowed from a 1934 patent I read (I forget which one, sorry),=20 > which modulates the oscillator using diodes as filters, and=20 modulating=20 > the input between oscillator and diode so each sideband would be=20 > modulated independently. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Sep 07 22:49:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51142 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2006 05:46:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2006 05:46:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.111) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2006 05:46:33 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2006 05:45:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2006 05:45:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2006 05:45:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 05:45:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.111 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.89 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: ISB AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=bcvNTWzkuZvlEXlOmv5zGsgz3nPvJdWq_0hJEeHuGS20z_H59g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > Let me correct this a bit: What you want to do is put two diodes=20 after=20 > the oscillator and modulate the output from the diode-influenced=20 > positive and negative oscillation goes through the RF stages of the=20 > transmitter. This way you independently and directly modulate the=20 upper=20 > and lower sidebands. There might be phase distortion, which might=20 > explain why it was rarely ever used. >=20 Thank you Amy! I didn't know nothing about that way, but it seems to=20 me like a phase "intentioned" distortion (like C-QUAM). I've thought to experiment with the old SSB system (balanced=20 modulator and sideband filters). So, we'll see what will happen=20 (hahaha, if you feel some earthquake there, it's not my fault,=20 hahaha). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Sep 08 11:43:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99226 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2006 18:41:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2006 18:41:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52002.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.85) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2006 18:41:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 30493 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Sep 2006 18:40:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20060908184031.30491.qmail@web52002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.183.166.167] by web52002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:40:31 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 11:40:31 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: ISB AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=lPhVAhOL3gQ5bgp4m1_ceNcUeqyR0iwfH6U1OHvYyWUd1MPx7kwb X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I have a question: what happens if an ISB stereo station received interference from a lower frequency but has a clear higher first adjacent? Does the left channel (assuming the lower sideband=left channel & upper sideband=right channel) become horribly distorted while the right one stays clear? Seems like L=R/L-R wouldn't experience this. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Sep 08 13:18:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72168 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2006 20:17:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2006 20:17:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2006 20:17:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2006 20:16:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2006 20:16:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 20:16:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060908184031.30491.qmail@web52002.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.4.109 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: ISB AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=zz7XMSMcR0xhKS-kdHOYDhi7W8-f4UsIA_kezsoxq334ERoK X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > I have a question: what happens if an ISB stereo > station received interference from a lower > frequency but has a clear higher first adjacent?=20 > Does the left channel (assuming the lower > sideband=3Dleft channel & upper sideband=3Dright > channel) become horribly distorted while the > right one stays clear? Seems like L=3DR/L-R > wouldn't experience this. If you ever heard adjacent-channel "monkey chatter", that's exactly=20 what it would sound like- And indeed, the "monkey chatter" does stay=20 on the sideband adjacent to. I'll have to look around to find an ISB=20 recording (even forced-stereo reception of a mono station) for an=20 example. In C-QUAM, it's more centered- more accurately phased across both the=20 L & R channels, as it does affect both the L+R and L-R channels.=20 (Quadrature AM actually has FOUR sidebands- Both C-QUAM and Kahn ISB=20 cause phase cancellation, but in ISB, it's deliberate, with the audio=20 polarity- critical for correct demodulation- in reverse, which causes=20 the proper phase cancellation of sidebands to produce the proper left=20 and right channels- And yes, it is lower and upper sidebands,=20 respectively.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Sep 08 13:42:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66538 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2006 20:42:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2006 20:42:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.202) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2006 20:42:27 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n11.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2006 20:42:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2006 20:42:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2006 20:42:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 20:42:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.4.109 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: ISB AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=MGSo28lpvhgb1eEXvlwKXj41JuoGP7qCIDTnJowyPynaDIKb X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > If you ever heard adjacent-channel "monkey chatter", that's exactly=20 > what it would sound like- And indeed, the "monkey chatter" does=20 stay=20 > on the sideband adjacent to. I'll have to look around to find an=20 ISB=20 > recording (even forced-stereo reception of a mono station) for an=20 > example. And here it is: http://dmf.facthost.com/radio/1413BBC-051003-0200J.mp3 This is a forced-ISB stereo DX recording of the BBC's Gulf Service in=20 Oman (southeastern tip of the Arabian Penninsula), as heard from=20 Japan, on an ISB-modified AMS receiver. The language spoken is Hindi=20 for the sizable Hindi community that work and live in the Gulf=20 states. The station also broadcasts in Arabic and English, and I=20 think Farsi as well. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Sep 08 21:11:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51647 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2006 04:06:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2006 04:06:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.186) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2006 04:06:32 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2006 04:06:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2006 04:06:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2006 04:06:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 04:06:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060908184031.30491.qmail@web52002.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.6 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: ISB AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=F5qOgPpCjlE_FJcm0Et0Dtr5ekxW0oVwPFkAKyr-DMUg2R1NUw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > I have a question: what happens if an ISB stereo > station received interference from a lower > frequency but has a clear higher first adjacent?=20 > Does the left channel (assuming the lower > sideband=3Dleft channel & upper sideband=3Dright > channel) become horribly distorted while the > right one stays clear? Seems like L=3DR/L-R > wouldn't experience this. >=20 WELCOME TO THE AM SOUND, BABE!!! Your question is THE question of any AM lover: how to minimize the=20 noise. And the problem is... WHO KNOWS? Any interference in the Lower Side Band (LSB) is sum with the Upper=20 Side Band (USB) in a mono tuner. So, you will hear it, always! In a C-QUAM tuner, you will hear the noise into the two stereo=20 channels because the LSB and USB have, both, the same information:=20 the sum channel (L+R). In an ISB (or Kahn) tuner, you will hear the noise only into the left=20 channel (because the LSB only has the left audio channel=20 information). This is an advantage of ISB over C-QUAM: if the noise=20 is only into one side band, you can to turn off only that side band=20 (of course you lost one stereo channel). I knew Kahn made something with it and created a special transmitter=20 to increase one side band more than the other to try to win the noise=20 battle, but I don't know the realistic results of it. AM Stereo (ISB or C-QUAM) exactly has the same problems of AM Mono:=20 all the system is based in the "envelope" shape of the RF carrier.=20 So, any noise you want to eliminate is related, unfortunately, with=20 that "envelope" shape too: If you get eliminate a noise, you will=20 eliminate some audio information too. When I heard about digital audio AM, a few years ago, I felt a very=20 exciting feeling and I thought: "AT LAST!!!" But... I was wrong. The=20 AM band noise, that we wanted eliminate, killed the digital option=20 (at least, the IBOC system). What's an irony! So, everybody who has lived with the AM typical noise in his memories=20 will must to hear it for a long, long time (of course, if AM get to=20 be alive for a long, long time). But, I have a different question, my dear AM friends: Was the AM (LW, MW or SW bands) noise the ONLY guilty of the=20 listeners slipping to the FM band? I don't think so. I've always thought the most important technical=20 parameter that influenced on it, was the VERY LIMITED AM TUNERS AUDIO=20 BANDWIDTH. The worst FM tuner you could get had a 10 kHz audio=20 bandwidth!!! The better AM tuner I know has "almost" a 9 kHz audio=20 bandwidth, TODAY (50 years later). It's a pity but yesterday and today I CAN'T SEE A CLEAR AM=20 BROADCASTERS WILL TO DEMAND BETTER AM TUNERS, KNOWING IT'S THE ONLY=20 WAY TO START (again) THE BATTLE AND WIN THE LISTENERS LOVING. Why don't we join to do it now? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From amfmdx@qwest.net Fri Sep 08 22:47:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@qwest.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40697 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2006 05:47:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2006 05:47:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net) (63.231.195.116) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2006 05:47:32 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-05.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-05.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.5]) by mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id 386C462D425 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 05:47:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-174-223.phnx.qwest.net (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (130.13.174.223) by mpls-pop-05.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 9 Sep 2006 05:47:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:47:25 -0700 Message-ID: To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 63.231.195.116 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: ISB AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=264393189; y=XS-Scj3GonrZUZYhDmIuvuCn0bg3adRh7e970tSmBeErzcqZHQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Was the AM (LW, MW or SW bands) noise the ONLY guilty of the > listeners slipping to the FM band? Juan, In the USA, the problem is not so much the noise, its that the programming is uniformly bad here. There is very little music on MW any longer. It is all either news, talk radio or sports. There really is no music other than some regional Mexican or religious music left on MW here. All the music went to FM in the 1970s and now even the talk stations are moving to FM. Kevin From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 09 00:37:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71067 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2006 07:34:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2006 07:34:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.203) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2006 07:34:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 18998 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2006 07:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimr7d8fyp5wxk) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.16.135.179 with login) by smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2006 07:33:58 -0000 Message-ID: <000901c6d3e2$4fcf67a0$d50bfea9@jimr7d8fyp5wxk> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 00:33:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: KDWN AM 720 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=E0C09wa9OSd1-tetFFCxY5ASizo2qQmgy910G5YCpja7nwjbFHKsNfLAbIDxxxmh9z2F9Pip X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I had found out that KDWN AM 720 from Las Vegas NV has been playing music on and off since labor day week end. There music is between the 40's to the 80's. Hay Amy tell if you can get them in the north west. Now that would be neet if thay had went C-Quam AM STEREO. I had wrote them and i had told them about here so thats all i can do. I had been waching a DTV station in my area thay have this station called THE TUBE and its all music videos between the 70' to now. Its prety cool allso. Take care gang talk to you soon. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Sep 09 00:47:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7588 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2006 07:44:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2006 07:44:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao10.cox.net) (68.230.241.29) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2006 07:44:18 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060909074353.NXUU18458.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 03:43:53 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id L7jk1V00A2DrW980000000 Sat, 09 Sep 2006 03:43:45 -0400 In-Reply-To: <000901c6d3e2$4fcf67a0$d50bfea9@jimr7d8fyp5wxk> References: <000901c6d3e2$4fcf67a0$d50bfea9@jimr7d8fyp5wxk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <9FB60B37-6C45-4507-8EDB-956BADDA9289@cox.net> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 00:43:53 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} KDWN AM 720 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=YWlESTQfyl45XRaHabSgZJPoRHIUTX9Xh0DrRMJNy4ELS_WsCJrfGbxaPQls X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Tube , as I understand it, was started by the same guy who started MTV. It's on (WB) KTLA's digital signal and on the WB station in San Diego. Richard On Sep 9, 2006, at 12:33 AM, wrote: > Hi Gang I had found out that KDWN AM 720 from Las Vegas NV has been > playing music on and off since labor day week end. There music is > between the 40's to the 80's. Hay Amy tell if you can get them in > the north west. Now that would be neet if thay had went C-Quam AM > STEREO. I had wrote them and i had told them about here so thats > all i can do. I had been waching a DTV station in my area thay have > this station called THE TUBE and its all music videos between the > 70' to now. Its prety cool allso. Take care gang talk to you soon. > Jim Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Sep 09 01:12:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29860 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2006 08:03:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2006 08:03:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.90) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2006 08:03:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2006 08:01:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2006 08:01:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 08:01:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.49.12 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: ISB AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=Xaks6fn3v2oL3zq3ltD-B7TO2Vox_eTqRcfEOY1MBt5zCuD_ X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > > > I have a question: what happens if an ISB stereo > > station received interference from a lower > > frequency but has a clear higher first adjacent?=20 > > Does the left channel (assuming the lower > > sideband=3Dleft channel & upper sideband=3Dright > > channel) become horribly distorted while the > > right one stays clear? Seems like L=3DR/L-R > > wouldn't experience this. > >=20 > WELCOME TO THE AM SOUND, BABE!!! Actually, JNR has been here for years. He's a semi-regular poster. > In a C-QUAM tuner, you will hear the noise into the two stereo=20 > channels because the LSB and USB have, both, the same information:=20 > the sum channel (L+R). Actually, most matrix-based AM stereo systems ignore whether there is=20 any separate info on the upper or lower sidebands. Here- This is a C-QUAM station (MBS in Japan) in ISB, in a DX=20 recording elsewhere in Japan: http://tinyurl.com/gojbl (MP3 file) This way you hear the "monkey chatter" in the upper and lower=20 sidebands, and you'll notice only a modest stereo separation in the=20 broadcasted audio, because like Kahn's ISB, there is a phase=20 cancellation of sidebands. (All systems use quadrature or phase=20 modulation, which means two signals 90 degrees apart, and each=20 signal, the in-phase and the out-of-phase (quadrature), each have two=20 sidebands. When received, the info on One lower sideband may=20 temporarily cancel the other lower sideband out. Same with the upper=20 sidebands. In C-QUAM, this is just a byproduct, and not the desired=20 result. It is, however, the desired result in Kahn's ISB, because the=20 L-R info in the quadrature signal swings the opposite way from what C- QUAM would do, and the result is that the sideband cancellation=20 produces the desired left and right channels.) Just FYI, if you don't know it, the program in the above MP3 is a=20 baseball game. :) > In an ISB (or Kahn) tuner, you will hear the noise only into the=20 left=20 > channel (because the LSB only has the left audio channel=20 > information). This is an advantage of ISB over C-QUAM: if the noise=20 > is only into one side band, you can to turn off only that side band=20 > (of course you lost one stereo channel). >=20 > I knew Kahn made something with it and created a special=20 transmitter=20 > to increase one side band more than the other to try to win the=20 noise=20 > battle, but I don't know the realistic results of it. PowerSIDE. Essentially, it's AM-SSB. > AM Stereo (ISB or C-QUAM) exactly has the same problems of AM Mono:=20 > all the system is based in the "envelope" shape of the RF carrier.=20 > So, any noise you want to eliminate is related, unfortunately, with=20 > that "envelope" shape too: If you get eliminate a noise, you will=20 > eliminate some audio information too. Actually, only C-QUAM relies on the envelope, rather than the in- phase ("I") signal, as one way to maintain compatibility with mono=20 radios. The math that represents the envelope in C-QUAM is 1(L+R). And is there a better way? Yes. It's called a "synchronous detector".=20 Sync detectors are great if you just want to hear the in-phase signal- - Less fading, less static... A basic I/Q sync detector can work with=20 C-QUAM, but the balance between the L+R and L-R is off, and can cause=20 distorton. The same detector, with a phase shifting network and a=20 dematrix circuit can decode ISB just as intended. (Try this:=20 http://tinyurl.com/h824q ) > But, I have a different question, my dear AM friends: >=20 > Was the AM (LW, MW or SW bands) noise the ONLY guilty of the=20 > listeners slipping to the FM band? No. After all, you get noise onn the FM, too, mostly when you listen=20 to a weak FM station. > I don't think so. I've always thought the most important technical=20 > parameter that influenced on it, was the VERY LIMITED AM TUNERS=20 AUDIO=20 > BANDWIDTH. The worst FM tuner you could get had a 10 kHz audio=20 > bandwidth!!! The better AM tuner I know has "almost" a 9 kHz audio=20 > bandwidth, TODAY (50 years later). Actually, there are some AM radios that are VERY wide, but have poor=20 selectivity- That is, You'll hear a strong station clearly for=20 several AM channels. > It's a pity but yesterday and today I CAN'T SEE A CLEAR AM=20 > BROADCASTERS WILL TO DEMAND BETTER AM TUNERS, KNOWING IT'S THE ONLY=20 > WAY TO START (again) THE BATTLE AND WIN THE LISTENERS LOVING. Actually, there are a few good tuners out there now, though some are=20 very expensive (like the Fanfare FTA-100). And there have been=20 exellent AM radios in the past, such as the GE SuperRadio III. Most=20 of the AM stereo radios actually have good sound- The worst AM stereo=20 radios even today are better than most mono AM radios available. And there ain't NO-ONE who'll make me give up my three AM stereo=20 radios- Sony SRF-A100, Aiwa CR-DS805 and RadioShack/Realistic TM- 152. :) (The Sony is the only all-mode I have ever owned, and one of=20 the few multi-mode AM stereo radios made. It also was the second-most=20 successful AM stereo radio ever made, outside car radios. :) ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Who wouldn't mind giving a few other AMS radios a try,=20 though........ :) If I can afford it, though... :( ) From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Sep 09 01:20:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31523 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2006 08:11:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2006 08:11:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.160) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2006 08:11:43 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2006 08:11:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2006 08:11:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2006 08:11:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 08:11:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000901c6d3e2$4fcf67a0$d50bfea9@jimr7d8fyp5wxk> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.49.12 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: KDWN AM 720 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=Uc9vBtm8iOTbj4Hj8YhnZA-oF7DrDbE1m3zarVcEV9SEl_Ha X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang I had found out that KDWN AM 720 from Las Vegas NV has=20 been playing music on and off since labor day week end. There music=20 is between the 40's to the 80's. Hay Amy tell if you can get them in=20 the north west. Now that would be neet if thay had went C-Quam AM=20 STEREO. I had wrote them and i had told them about here so thats all=20 i can do. I had been waching a DTV station in my area thay have this=20 station called THE TUBE and its all music videos between the 70' to=20 now. Its prety cool allso. Take care gang talk to you soon. Jim Smith (Me, the radiomousie again, just to be clear) KDWN used to be the=20 station I regularly listened to before I got turned onto KFI. They=20 have NEVER had any AM stereo system- In fact, typical of the LV=20 stations, the overall engineering is poor. I have never been happy=20 with the sound quality of Las Vegas' stations, AM or FM. It makes the=20 Eureka/Arcata stations here seem good by comparison. Nevada has never had very many AM stereo stations- I think one each=20 in Reno and LV, but neither of them I could get, because of other=20 stations. Today, Nevada is AM stereo-less. For those who don't know, Art Bell (go ahead and laugh, I know you=20 will) started his talk show on KDWN just about 20 years ago, before=20 he went national. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 09 01:33:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11071 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2006 08:28:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2006 08:28:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2006 08:28:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2006 08:24:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2006 08:24:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 08:24:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9FB60B37-6C45-4507-8EDB-956BADDA9289@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.150.179 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: KDWN AM 720 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=1RalN5o7MGCRXCpS5UidmwhKt3PUBWKwI8r1Mq3iH_UuobfMU67IFgTBqVcLYgy7-bE99odd X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner =20 wrote: > > The Tube , as I understand it, was started by the same guy who=20=20 > started MTV. It's on (WB) KTLA's digital signal and on the WB=20 station=20=20 > in San Diego. >=20 > Richard >=20 > On Sep 9, 2006, at 12:33 AM, wrote: >=20 > > Hi Gang I had found out that KDWN AM 720 from Las Vegas NV has=20 been=20=20 > > playing music on and off since labor day week end. There music=20 is=20=20 > > between the 40's to the 80's. Hay Amy tell if you can get them=20 in=20=20 > > the north west. Now that would be neet if thay had went C-Quam=20 AM=20=20 > > STEREO. I had wrote them and i had told them about here so thats=20=20 > > all i can do. I had been waching a DTV station in my area thay=20 have=20=20 > > this station called THE TUBE and its all music videos between=20 the=20=20 > > 70' to now. Its prety cool allso. Take care gang talk to you=20 soon.=20=20 > > Jim Smith > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi The station THE TUBE is on here in Sacramento Ca is KTXL FOX 40=20 on 40.2 DTV . Jim Smith From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 09 01:41:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93586 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2006 08:37:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2006 08:37:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2006 08:37:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2006 08:37:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2006 08:37:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 08:37:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.150.179 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: KDWN AM 720 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=uohemF9pjDJO3Dq9N6bW5xTv2rhuv8Ncc_GEwWPZeFzNKQQEiwkcbfizVZpiNiFrC3iGKhzX X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > Hi Gang I had found out that KDWN AM 720 from Las Vegas NV has=20 > been playing music on and off since labor day week end. There music=20 > is between the 40's to the 80's. Hay Amy tell if you can get them=20 in=20 > the north west. Now that would be neet if thay had went C-Quam AM=20 > STEREO. I had wrote them and i had told them about here so thats=20 all=20 > i can do. I had been waching a DTV station in my area thay have=20 this=20 > station called THE TUBE and its all music videos between the 70' to=20 > now. Its prety cool allso. Take care gang talk to you soon. Jim=20 Smith >=20 > (Me, the radiomousie again, just to be clear) KDWN used to be the=20 > station I regularly listened to before I got turned onto KFI. They=20 > have NEVER had any AM stereo system- In fact, typical of the LV=20 > stations, the overall engineering is poor. I have never been happy=20 > with the sound quality of Las Vegas' stations, AM or FM. It makes=20 the=20 > Eureka/Arcata stations here seem good by comparison. >=20 > Nevada has never had very many AM stereo stations- I think one each=20 > in Reno and LV, but neither of them I could get, because of other=20 > stations. Today, Nevada is AM stereo-less. >=20 > For those who don't know, Art Bell (go ahead and laugh, I know you=20 > will) started his talk show on KDWN just about 20 years ago, before=20 > he went national. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Hi Amy WOW!! I did not know that about ART BELL!!! So i think you=20 said you can't get them. Thats to bad thay sound ok and there music=20 format is ok nothing earth shattering but at lest its musci on MV=20 AM. And at lest its not RAP NEW COUNTRY and PUNK ROCK. Jim Smith From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Sep 09 08:50:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+5Yma+80+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97180 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2006 15:48:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2006 15:48:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2006 15:48:14 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.180]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 114358774 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 10:48:10 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <006e01c6d428$4af3a660$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 10:54:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 4, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.180 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: ISB AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=NaBOseVTmOb_B8za8gp7JS78rIHXh6h_50YahxqZkuqw0nlPDfqQ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The other Kevin only recited the most recent part of the equation. It actually started in the 50s with the overcrowding of the AM dial and the accompanying adjacent channel interference and radios were narrowbanded somewhat to accomodate the problem. It accelerated in the 60s when broadcasters tried to compensate for transistor radios with their tiny speakers, and later in the 70s lots of stations tried to be the loudest on the dial and cranked up the high end even more. The transmitters would overmodulate, creating even more splatter and the radios were made even more narrowband to compensate. The AM band needs to be weeded out. The irony of this is not only would it allow analog to work better, but it might help allow for digital operation on the band as well. As it is, the only way the AM band will survive is if there's more people like our own Bill Norman to buy and successfully program enough stations to keep it viable. If digital is to be used on AM, it should be the DRM system with digital sidebands on one side of the carrier and analog on the other. There'll be a slight increase in noise on the received signal, but I suspect it'll be more tolerable than the wideband hiss the IBOC system produces. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" Was the AM (LW, MW or SW bands) noise the ONLY guilty of the listeners slipping to the FM band? I don't think so. I've always thought the most important technical parameter that influenced on it, was the VERY LIMITED AM TUNERS AUDIO BANDWIDTH. The worst FM tuner you could get had a 10 kHz audio bandwidth!!! The better AM tuner I know has "almost" a 9 kHz audio bandwidth, TODAY (50 years later). It's a pity but yesterday and today I CAN'T SEE A CLEAR AM BROADCASTERS WILL TO DEMAND BETTER AM TUNERS, KNOWING IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO START (again) THE BATTLE AND WIN THE LISTENERS LOVING. Why don't we join to do it now? From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Sep 09 11:15:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1525 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2006 18:11:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2006 18:11:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.174) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2006 18:11:41 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n7.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2006 18:09:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2006 18:09:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2006 18:09:49 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 18:09:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.49.12 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: KDWN AM 720 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=aQGZJhV-x3hOWiry4k8vytnHaejmh3rSU6liSCEVduxXnBYE X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" =20 wrote: > Hi Amy WOW!! I did not know that about ART BELL!!! So i think you=20 > said you can't get them. Thats to bad thay sound ok and there music=20 > format is ok nothing earth shattering but at lest its musci on MV=20 > AM. And at lest its not RAP NEW COUNTRY and PUNK ROCK. Jim Smith No, I said that I can get KDWN- That's one of the stronger stations I=20 can get between 680 and 790. What I said was that what AM stereo=20 stations were in Nevada, I never could get because of interference from=20 stronger stations elsewhere, and KDWN has NEVER been in AM stereo. in=20 the almost 30 years I could receive them. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Sat Sep 09 21:11:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99322 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2006 04:11:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2006 04:11:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.190) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2006 04:11:27 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n23.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2006 04:11:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2006 04:11:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2006 04:11:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 04:11:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.2.167.90 From: "Tom" Subject: Re: KDWN AM 720 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=PM55l9o4_wJSBn7m_YEJ7lMxC-cjeoYTy-X9HbgSQCUkGG-Qvlb7OHhV X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 30 years... so you started listening to radio when you were five,=20 right? KDWN has NEVER been in AM stereo. in=20 > the almost 30 years I could receive them. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Sep 09 22:48:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70611 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2006 05:48:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2006 05:48:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.153) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2006 05:48:05 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n10.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2006 05:46:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2006 05:46:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2006 05:46:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 05:46:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.49.12 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: KDWN AM 720 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=6pbkgMsKyn_L0lCsk_ChWEP6mk8RM8-HjbVkifcsUWMo2NdI X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" wrote: > > 30 years... so you started listening to radio when you were five,=20 > right? >=20 > KDWN has NEVER been in AM stereo. in=20 > > the almost 30 years I could receive them. > >=20 > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Try two. :) No, that's not a joked. I really did start early with=20 radio. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Sep 09 23:27:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16037 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2006 06:24:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2006 06:24:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.177) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2006 06:24:41 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n10.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2006 06:24:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2006 06:24:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2006 06:24:01 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 06:24:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.7.113 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: KDWN AM 720 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=Kgc4kP2UKtB9quDZ-iFxCOQBUN15cFOB23jmQdAeAk7E90fd X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: >=20 > Try two. :) No, that's not a joked. I really did start early with=20 > radio. :) When I say radio is my life, I really mean it-- http://www.dmf.facthost.com/amy/ds-babyamyradio.jpg Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 11 14:08:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58162 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2006 21:05:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2006 21:05:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52003.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2006 21:05:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 73129 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Sep 2006 21:05:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20060911210519.73127.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [38.100.146.10] by web52003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:05:19 PDT Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:05:19 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: ISB AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=2Y0Njmcu-K2xFt3D0HlcSla-MrXpksWe3beKDN6yOGmvC-n0RxFP X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio That's what I thought re: ISB. It seems that it would be more annoying to have a station coming from one side than it be low in the baseband audio on both channels. By the way, other than the power switch problem, I like my SRF-42. I also own a Metrosound tuner which I like. My 3rd AMS radio is my car radio that I bought off of Chris in 2000. Still works, and sounds friggin' INCREDIBLE on WJIB when I get near Boston. Those 250 watts go a LOOOONG way. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Sep 12 17:27:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45409 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2006 00:24:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2006 00:24:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2006 00:24:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2006 00:23:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2006 00:23:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:23:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.8.178 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Former AM stereo pioneer station KDKA loses the Pirates.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=TvWhm3jQHuRs2MjrMV4RJorQGIy6ZdXPHnua8dV1y0zDi5si X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie http://tinyurl.com/k4sc7 (KDKA was the testing station for the Westinghouse AM/FM-ISB AMS syetem=20 in the 1950s/1060s, and Kahn ISB in the '80s. It had switched to C- QUAM, and was stereo until after its 80th anniversary in 2001. It was=20 also the first commercial broadcasting license ever issued, in 1921.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Sep 12 18:12:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51940 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2006 01:11:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2006 01:11:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.228) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2006 01:11:52 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.32]) by bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:11:18 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:11:18 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 01:11:16 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 01:11:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Sep 2006 01:11:18.0480 (UTC) FILETIME=[846BBD00:01C6D6D1] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Former AM stereo pioneer station KDKA loses the Pirates.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=2dMgIi6c5HcXJ218vFxr8DPRTy2Kz8iL5e_zuMsVLQCw3fJR6QKR339P3pk X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo This is great news for Clear Channel and major corporate advertisers. Fans not living in the immediate Pittsburgh area or lucky enough to live in an area served by one of the 37 affiliates, and for fans, living several states away, they are out of luck without some type of subscription, either to XM or to MLB. Sometimes I think that eventually everything will be a subsidiary of either ClearChannel or WalMart. ------------------------------ from the article about KDKA losing the Pirates: "Because KDKA will no longer carry games, out-of-state Pirates fans who do not have a local radio affiliate of the team must subscribe to Major League Baseball's online service or XM radio to keep hearing Pirates games. XM carries all Pirates games, but the team's broadcasters are heard only during home games. The team's radio network currently includes 37 stations, mostly in Pennsylvania but also in Ohio, West Virginia and Maryland." Donn From: "Amy Mousie" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Former AM stereo pioneer station KDKA loses the Pirates.... Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:23:14 -0000 http://tinyurl.com/k4sc7 (KDKA was the testing station for the Westinghouse AM/FM-ISB AMS syetem in the 1950s/1060s, and Kahn ISB in the '80s. It had switched to C- QUAM, and was stereo until after its 80th anniversary in 2001. It was also the first commercial broadcasting license ever issued, in 1921.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Sep 12 22:10:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13151 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2006 05:09:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2006 05:09:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.127) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2006 05:09:25 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2006 05:09:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2006 05:09:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2006 05:09:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 05:09:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.127 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.83 From: "jotape1960" Subject: ISB vs C-QUAM the central problem? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=w_b6YgznAEVqz5t5uN6SwRLzYw6yatsoBjWxCrU-6GieMX_96Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI AM STEREO FANS!!!!!!! Maybe the great problem of ISB and C-QUAM AM Stereo was, is and will=20 be the distance from TX antenna site versus the "decent" free-noise=20 audio signal. As both are "AM" (envelope modulation) the problem is=20 the same: noise vs signal. Then, if I prefer a system and you prefer the other it's only=20 semantics because both have the same problems. So, the central question isn't which system to use. The central=20 question is how to win the heart of the listeners, despite of noise. Today, with the very common "talking" FM channels, maybe if the AM=20 start to transmit music format, MAYBE, the listeners return to=20 the "origins". GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Sep 13 03:22:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97485 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2006 10:22:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2006 10:22:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52009.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2006 10:22:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 54346 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Sep 2006 10:21:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20060913102143.54344.qmail@web52009.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [38.100.146.10] by web52009.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 03:21:43 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 03:21:43 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} ISB vs C-QUAM the central problem? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=S1qwSMOBi-BcFPm95YJgZQa7_eZpdhOi49mAgTSM-s9sXw-4tBp4 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Well considering how boring most FM stations are, that's a distinct possibility so long as AM can overcome the stigma of "that's only for talk" or "it's not in stereo." Of course, most AMs are becoming all-brokered time. I don't think most people have heard how horrible WALE/990 was from 1991-2003. It was truly radio for the people-as long as they had $. The program "American Dissident Voices" aired Saturday afternoons from 4-4:30 (16:00-16:30). For those who don't know, A.D.V. is a neo-Nazi program. Not only was the programming deplorable @ best but F.C.C. guidelines were encouraged to be broken. The G.S.M., who had a punk rock show, wanted me to keep the power @ 50kW after sundown until his show ended. We (the board operators) were also told that if an F.C.C. inspector came in to tell him that we'd go get a manager and just walk out the door, get in our cars and leave. THAT is the type of station most people think of that exist on AM. One step below the home-shopping channels on TV; of dubious morals and questionable practices. Or maybe they think of the station I saw near Myrtle Beach on 1330kc. where half of the drop ceiling was moldy & lying on the floor soaking wet. People don't think highly of AM. That's the main stigma. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From amfmdx@qwest.net Wed Sep 13 07:57:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@qwest.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25040 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2006 14:50:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2006 14:50:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net) (63.231.195.116) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2006 14:50:01 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-10.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-10.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.10]) by mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id B3DAE62D559 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:49:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-174-223.phnx.qwest.net (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (130.13.174.223) by mpls-pop-10.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 13 Sep 2006 14:49:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 07:49:25 -0700 Message-ID: To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 In-Reply-To: <20060913102143.54344.qmail@web52009.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 63.231.195.116 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" Subject: Re: {AMSF} ISB vs C-QUAM the central problem? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=264393189; y=DjYHqLin9wXkYx41Yar9lfg_OazYj2Jjtnx7_WK19EHWmLakAw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On 9/13/06 3:21 AM, "JNR" wrote: > I don't think most > people have heard how horrible WALE/990 was from > 1991-2003. Yay, Hooray, North American Broadcasting! I'll bet I can since I enjoyed KFNX their sister station, NOT! That was some pathetic times for NABC and even with that, they went bankrupt. Kevin From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Sep 13 11:59:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78172 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2006 18:57:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2006 18:57:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52001.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2006 18:57:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 68621 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Sep 2006 18:55:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20060913185559.68619.qmail@web52001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web52001.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:55:59 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:55:59 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.84 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} ISB vs C-QUAM the central problem? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=BnpRkrVMTA0j5NyOupuKfz6NfaVX3Lj6Rkdl3U6qE2bdhT8G6Osi X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio See, some people laugh & others scratch their heads. NABC wasn't rock bottom...they turned the rock over & continuted to dig. I can't do it justice, how bad their programming was. Here in Providence their station was fed from a standard 3.5kc. phone line. I've heard after the fact that their S.T.L. was stolen by someone & hid in an elevator shaft somewhere in the Federal Hill section of Providence. So, what's the WORST radio station you've EVER heard. 1 vote already for WALE & maybe a tie between WALE & KFNX. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From amfmdx@qwest.net Wed Sep 13 19:47:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@qwest.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80040 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2006 02:42:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2006 02:42:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net) (63.231.195.113) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2006 02:41:55 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-02.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-02.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.2]) by mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id 1D0324615BD for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 02:41:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-174-223.phnx.qwest.net (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (130.13.174.223) by mpls-pop-02.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 14 Sep 2006 02:41:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:41:37 -0700 Message-ID: To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 In-Reply-To: <20060913185559.68619.qmail@web52001.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 63.231.195.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" Subject: The worst station in the world! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=264393189; y=tE0L_t-DMGn7l9NbWOSrOIrNpPhw0nuwtFa4aw6T0ywimnNHBQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > So, what's the WORST radio station you've EVER > heard. 1 vote already for WALE & maybe a tie > between WALE & KFNX. Having lived in RI and AZ both, I can say, that since they had a lot if not all of the same programming, they sucked equally in every way and was definitely the worst station that I have heard in my 50 years of life. Kevin From w6yn@juno.com Wed Sep 13 22:17:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78646 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2006 05:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2006 05:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2006 05:17:25 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABCST3QLATDHLK2 for (sender ); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:16:58 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLPJ6SKSFPHWdF3pwKmdTL/k= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LZ726D5M; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:16:51 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:15:57 -0700 Message-ID: <20060913.221559.2820.5.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-18 X-ContentStamp: 6:3:3193752038 X-MAIL-INFO:0871c8acec45b16db149480cf94549f9d14100b8 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} The worst station in the world! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=ejVPgeNnjBMB6BtWbr3qsdDYp4rqt8s7fvyBiciY0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn That's why they put knobs on radio receivers. You know like "off" and "tune" etc. Don On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:41:37 -0700 "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" writes: > > So, what's the WORST radio station you've EVER > > heard. 1 vote already for WALE & maybe a tie > > between WALE & KFNX. > > Having lived in RI and AZ both, I can say, that since they had a lot > if not > all of the same programming, they sucked equally in every way and > was > definitely the worst station that I have heard in my 50 years of > life. > > Kevin From amfmdx@qwest.net Wed Sep 13 23:09:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@qwest.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33066 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2006 06:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2006 06:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net) (63.231.195.112) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2006 06:08:00 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-11.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-11.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.11]) by mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id B0F451A991E for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:07:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-174-223.phnx.qwest.net (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (130.13.174.223) by mpls-pop-11.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 14 Sep 2006 06:07:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:07:57 -0700 Message-ID: To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 In-Reply-To: <20060913.221559.2820.5.w6yn@juno.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 63.231.195.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The worst station in the world! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=264393189; y=QFLfu173dwlF2cxAPpjA-8F3d8xZvKuBrN8GJJbldwNRQTJ7Fw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On 9/13/06 10:15 PM, "W6YN Don Milbury" wrote: > That's why they put knobs on radio receivers. I only had to use it one time and never went back. Kevin From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Sep 14 04:29:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8840 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2006 11:18:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2006 11:18:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52011.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.94) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2006 11:18:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 96500 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Sep 2006 11:17:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20060914111700.96498.qmail@web52011.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web52011.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 04:17:00 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 04:17:00 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} The worst station in the world! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=Uqhwx3Ta-k0ePQk0IHCyfxTIRagcMyuMcCrFgxjZO8HtySR07zcn X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio C'mon Don, it's a fun topic. What's the WORST station you've ever heard? If anyone thinks this is off-topic, let me remind you that KFNX used to be AM stereo KCCF. I know they're not stereo now (NABC shut it off-another reason to despise them & celebrate the fact that they went bankrupt) but Kevin, did KFNX use a phone line to feed audio to the XMTR.? I'd love to hear about stations in other countries with stations this bad. Not only was the station poorly managed (bounced checks galore, bored-ops that don't care, management that doesn't care), poorly programmed (all brokered), poorly engineered (P.C.B.s @ the XMTR. site that they had been ordered to clean up by the D.E.M. in 1991, a chain link fence to throw off the D.A.) and a liberal dose of fraud (ask about their coverage maps!) Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Sep 14 14:45:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36173 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2006 21:42:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2006 21:42:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.111) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2006 21:42:38 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2006 21:42:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2006 21:42:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2006 21:42:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:42:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060914111700.96498.qmail@web52011.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.111 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.75 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The worst station in the world! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=HEdPFreAwHYRKOeaD9AUed8ttiZho_jDrVd72DXnwUX4PBlftw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI AM STEREO FANS!!!!!!! Well, related to the forum style and title, the worst station in the=20 world is MY STATION!!! Why? Let's see: we don't transmit in stereo, we transmit more music=20 than talk, we transmit with very old, but very good, equipments, we=20 don't have any digital project in mind, we don't have politic=20 opinion, we only have one news summary at midday, we don't have=20 cigarette advertising and WE TRUST IN ANALOG AM!!! Sorry, we are in Curic=F3, Chile, of course. A little help, please. I know it isn't a forum item but... Does=20 somebody know where can I find spares for a very old, but so good,=20 UREI BL-40 audio processor? Thanks. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Sep 14 15:26:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45908 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2006 22:13:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2006 22:13:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52008.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.91) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2006 22:13:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 65993 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Sep 2006 22:12:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20060914221227.65991.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web52008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:12:27 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:12:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} The worst station in the world! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=_G229mx-2EFeuOlOzS6vcNB0u1Tn4MWvM5gxCBERd3EfxFmIOZ4y X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio No that doesn't make for a bad station. @ WALE we had a D.A.T. machine which would play back all the shows. It got used A LOT because of the amount of time sold (not too many hours). On more than one occasion the tape would speed up on air. We'd have to stop it & start it again. It'd be good for 2 minutes-MAYBE! Does your station have total disregard for the governing communications laws in your country? WALE & KFNX DID! Besides, most of the people on here would like to see more music & less talk on A.M.. Take care amigo. Jay N1WVQ/WQBI410 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tomray@wor710.com Thu Sep 14 17:51:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88301 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2006 00:51:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2006 00:51:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2006 00:51:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2006 00:51:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2006 00:51:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:51:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: WOR Transmitter Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=QU2ZHPapjj0Jux3PgwlWw_RagzgckP7m17y_WnZUZzEBfI-U X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Ladies and Gents: The time has come. The WOR Towers in Lyndhurst, NJ will be coming down with a thud on Wednesday, 9/20 at a little after 10AM. We will carry it live on WOR (stream at http://www.wor710.com), and at present are planning a limited video stream. Additionally, video will be available on the WOR website later that evening. If you're in the NYC area, expect to see it on all the TV stations' newscasts.=20 Radio World link: http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=3D9735 Press release is in the library: http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/AO0JRVkltQqWXlER8OW2-W0RfUqTy3stNr4rupKFfwaJqP= 4UkatIQn2WDjW00ZBwmyiJR46c7aiJA5OlyildwXsiB-fjn94/press_release.jpg Enjoy! Tom Ray WOR =20 =20 From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Thu Sep 14 20:03:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29878 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2006 03:03:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2006 03:03:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.160) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2006 03:03:18 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2006 03:02:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2006 03:02:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2006 03:02:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 03:02:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.160 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.146.3.153 From: "Juan" Subject: Re: WOR Transmitter Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=JLNlWf-Cgx4c8IsZVXu1pU-d0_bhXp-xo0M4ZTV6N8y0cKU X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Tom, I assume the new towers are up. How does the signal stack up to the=20 soon to be demolished towers ? How much testing was done ? Inquiring minds.................. Best of luck ! Juan Ft. Pierce, FL --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > Ladies and Gents: >=20 > The time has come. The WOR Towers in Lyndhurst, NJ will be coming > down with a thud on Wednesday, 9/20 at a little after 10AM. We=20 will > carry it live on WOR (stream at http://www.wor710.com), and at=20 present > are planning a limited video stream. Additionally, video will be > available on the WOR website later that evening. If you're in the=20 NYC > area, expect to see it on all the TV stations' newscasts.=20 >=20 > Radio World link: http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=3D9735 >=20 > Press release is in the library: > http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/AO0JRVkltQqWXlER8OW2- W0RfUqTy3stNr4rupKFfwaJqP4UkatIQn2WDjW00ZBwmyiJR46c7aiJA5OlyildwXsiB- fjn94/press_release.jpg >=20 > Enjoy! >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Sep 15 00:27:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67337 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2006 07:27:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2006 07:27:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2006 07:27:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2006 07:27:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2006 07:27:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:27:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.43 From: "jotape1960" Subject: A crazy idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=m2UsZ1WWSc4Byo-1p2NcF5DWjHC2Jqwj6KFWUeXL_QuxQAKezg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI AM STEREO FANS!!!!!!! As you know, I'm not an engineer so this post maybe is just a madness=20 (due to my ignorance, of course). I'm a teacher, too, and any teacher knows how to reduce some=20 mathematical expressions only dividing the members. So, I think about a probably "mathematical" solution to the analog AM. Everybody knows the most important problem in a good AM tuner is how=20 to get a clear signal (no noise or interferences). Everybody knows=20 most AM tuners sacrifice the audio bandwidth to get a clear signal=20 (typically less than 6 kHz). I know a narrow tuner is the worst and=20 horrible sound we would get but... maybe it's the solution. So, my crazy idea is DIVIDE the audio frecuency component. For example: A normal 20 kHz audio frecuency divide by 10 =3D 2 kHz A normal 15 kHz audio frecuency divie by 10 =3D 1.5 kHz A normal 10 kHz audio frecuency divided by 10 =3D 1 kHz A normal 1 kHz audio frecuency divided by 10 =3D 100 Hz A normal 100 Hz audio frecuency divided by 10 =3D 10 Hz A normal 10 Hz audio frecuency divided by 10 =3D 1 Hz So, my idea is divide any frecuency by ten to get a "translated"=20 audio bandwidth from the original 10-15 kHz to a new narrowest=20 bandwidth (1-1.5 kHz). How to do it? I don't have any idea about how to make it (because I'm not an=20 engineer) BUT I KNOW IT CAN BE DONE (there are frecuency dividers). But... For what to do it? Well, think a little: if we can "translate" the full audio bandwidth,=20 normally 10-15 kHz width, into only 1-1.5 kHz, we can transmit=20 narrowest (less interference to the adjacent channels) and we can=20 tune it with less noise and less interference (it would give us more=20 effective geographic distance too). Of course, I know we need an encoder in the TX and a decoder in the=20 RX and it'd be totally incompatible with any today AM tuner but...=20 maybe it would work better... (maybe). I know it still would be analog AM, but with less problems. I hope some engineer read it and tell me if I'm a crazy or totally=20 sick man (or a genious, hahaha!!!) Does somebody want to try it? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Sep 15 06:40:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+CTDE+86+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43637 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2006 13:22:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2006 13:22:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2006 13:22:35 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.70]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 114193895 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:20:47 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c6d8ca$bb2b2c40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:27:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 23, in=20, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.70 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A crazy idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=e9lRgl0w0bKgo7Vx36fKQ49SBa2kA_bUeW5J-HgDDKu0Com1hETD X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It might work, Juan, but you run into the same problem as with digital- incompatibility with existing receivers. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" Well, think a little: if we can "translate" the full audio bandwidth, normally 10-15 kHz width, into only 1-1.5 kHz, we can transmit narrowest (less interference to the adjacent channels) and we can tune it with less noise and less interference (it would give us more effective geographic distance too). Of course, I know we need an encoder in the TX and a decoder in the RX and it'd be totally incompatible with any today AM tuner but... maybe it would work better... (maybe). I know it still would be analog AM, but with less problems. I hope some engineer read it and tell me if I'm a crazy or totally sick man (or a genious, hahaha!!!) From brian60420@yahoo.com Fri Sep 15 09:24:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11716 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2006 16:06:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2006 16:06:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2006 16:06:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n14.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2006 16:04:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2006 16:04:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:04:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.132.182.211 From: "brian60420" Subject: SUN-TIMES announces --- WLS veteran Ron Riley will host XM6 9/15 3 to 8 pm X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275; y=8dftUygVt1gkGi75S93Gpcubx9t6ga9plhrPIotRxzl4HC03tQ X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 XM Satellite Radio's "Sonic '60s" will celebrate the Top 40 heyday of=20 ABC-owned WLS-AM (890) with a five-hour special on the legendary=20 rock 'n' roller. 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Cool, brian From tomray@wor710.com Fri Sep 15 09:25:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76048 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2006 15:55:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2006 15:55:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.211) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2006 15:55:27 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2006 15:53:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2006 15:53:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2006 15:53:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:53:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: WOR Transmitter Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=fz57jWLt1qLOcEAMhujv-__3cjQN_7DhjvfgohZckhshWzRv X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Juan" wrote: > > Tom, >=20 > I assume the new towers are up. How does the signal stack up to=20 the=20 > soon to be demolished towers ? >=20 > How much testing was done ? >=20 > Inquiring minds.................. >=20 > Best of luck ! >=20 >=20 > Juan > Ft. Pierce, FL Hi Juan: We did the required full proof of performance. The signal is=20 equivalent and in some directions (like behind the antenna) better=20 than what was transmitting from Lyndhurst. Of course, we have a=20 brand new ground system here. This bad boy is a killer signal. Driving around, particularly in the null directions, I find the=20 signal much more solid and stable than from the old site. I've had=20 several emails from listeners in the maxima areas that are reporting=20 much better reception....which leads me to believe it was time to=20 replace the ground system at the old site. I have a ham in Mahwah,=20 located in the null, that was receiving an S2 on his rig....it's now=20 up to an S8.=20=20 TR From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Sep 15 12:28:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53286 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2006 19:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2006 19:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.149) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2006 19:09:34 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n6.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2006 19:08:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2006 19:08:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2006 19:08:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:08:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002701c6d8ca$bb2b2c40$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.49.79 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A crazy idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=F1rIYFmjSsNvu3KZBOPBuDYZOl7HpkfS7xoND09WBWGyfB3o X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > It might work, Juan, but you run into the same problem as with=20 digital- > incompatibility with existing receivers. Or Inovonics' "Noise-Free Radio", a method similar to RCA/Belar's=20 stereo system, but in reverse-- The L+R sum in the narrowband FM, with=20 the L-R difference in the AM component. It's analogue, but is=20 incompatible. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Sep 15 20:01:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62374 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2006 02:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2006 02:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2006 02:50:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2006 02:49:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2006 02:49:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:49:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.20 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A crazy idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=iLCcRJDF76pRVfUjYbJM4O_aBXy4c5C5hC0MBgLFLEgi_Z0Hww X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > > > It might work, Juan, but you run into the same problem as with=20 > digital- > > incompatibility with existing receivers. >=20 > Or Inovonics' "Noise-Free Radio", a method similar to RCA/Belar's=20 > stereo system, but in reverse-- The L+R sum in the narrowband FM,=20 with=20 > the L-R difference in the AM component. It's analogue, but is=20 > incompatible. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > OK, Amy and Scott, I know it's 100% incompatible but... it's just and=20 idea. I tested something last week, even I don't like the audio over=20 processing, I put an "atomic" audio last week: three audio bands=20 over, over and over processed (threshold =3D -30 dB and ratio >20:1).=20 It sounds "horrible". Well, in my "broadband" AM receivers (a Philips car AM Stereo tuner=20 and a Philips "desk" tuner) I heard it... "acceptable" (but so ugly=20 to me). In the other "narrowband" AM tuners I heard an "acceptable"=20 mid range but a very, very distorted high frecuency range. So, we don't win any with that way, because a narrowband tuner can't=20 handle the "extra" over processing range. So, an standard AM tuner forces us to use ONLY the bandwidth the=20 tuner can handle!!! Is it fair? Is it justice? I don't think so. Then... my crazy idea, or other crazy ideas, must to be considered as=20 an option againts tyhe bad tuners. Of course, the real solution would be better tuners!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From badeditpro@charter.net Sat Sep 16 13:21:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80182 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2006 20:13:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2006 20:13:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf09.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.209) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2006 20:13:21 -0000 Received: from mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.145]) by mxsf09.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8GKD3T8017514 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:13:03 -0400 Received: from 66-190-196-005.dhcp.rnrp.nc.charter.com (HELO yourfd6nvjcer4) ([66.190.196.5]) by mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 16 Sep 2006 16:13:02 -0400 Message-ID: <002101c6d9cc$841f7e10$05c4be42@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:13:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.28.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_Inovonics_=22Noise-Free_Radio=22/Matrix_recording_in_g?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?eneral.?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=Jnli-oFpDTu4oJ3feYHJNxZ5rQECP66DZZBrZNb8iK5ZX-SJMNebB-nSfLwU X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That is the first I've ever heard of that idea. One thing I don't get, though. Why would you use the AM component for L-R? The AM signal is inherently going to be more noisy than the FM and using AM as your L-R right would accentuate any static by 6 dB. One of the nifty side effects of the C-QUAM system is the fact that the noisier AM signal is used for L+R. The sum carries the most modulation density and is always modulated at 100% no matter what might be happening in the L-R channel. .The noise is always in mono and there fore is masked better with modulation. Another thing to take into consideration is that any noise in the L+R channel will be presented to the final discrete Left and Right channels 180 degrees out of phase. The brain tends to accentuate sound that hits your ears out of phase and it always seems louder than it really is. Imagine listening to one of these signals with headphones on and you've got lightly modulated mono content going on, like someone talking with no music under them. The person would appear in the stereo image at center with the AM static surrounding them. You get the effect now with FM stereo now when you have less than perfect reception. I have always been fascinated with matrix stereo. Many years ago, some manufacturers were experimenting with matrix recording on analog tape in broadcast cart machines. The advantages were two fold: Matrix recording completely eliminates the problem of phase error when a stereo signal is combined to mono as in a mono radio or stereo receiver switched to mono. Also, because the l+R signal was recorded on the left channel of the tape, it was 100% compatible with mono cart recorders and players. The discrete stereo format for carts used three channels on quarter inch tape. Mono used only two. The standard stereo cart format simply added another channel between the audio and 'cue' tracks that were already present on mono cart decks. Even with careful alignment and the use of good quality audio cartridges, you still would run into phasing problems that made the mono sum sound muddy or 'phasey'. Matrix recording and playback completely eliminated this problem. Any playback phase errors would appear as slight adorations in the stereo image. Secondly, in large facilities with a lot of older machines around a big problem was the fact that mono carts and machines were completely incompatible with stereo machines. If a station was going stereo for the first time, you would have to redub everything already on cart in the new stereo format. This also made a combo operation where you had one mono station and one stereo station with different cart formats a pain in the butt to do production for. Why? Because you would have to make two copies of anything that was going to be aired on both stations. One in stereo and one in mono. Then you would have to remember which was which so the right cart got into the right studio. What happened if you tried to play a mono cart in a stereo machine was that you'd end up with audio only in the left channel. If you played a stereo cart in a mono machine, you ended up with left channel audio only and if you were trying to play back a stereo recording of "Norwegian Wood", let's say, that caused the vexing problem where the vocals were all gone.. With matrix stereo that was not a problem because the same head configuration was used with L+R in the left channel and L-R in what was used for the right channel in the discrete format. So, when you would play a standard mono cart on a matrix stereo deck, the audio appeared in both channels. A cart recorded in matrix stereo would play perfectly in a mono machine because the mono machine played back discrete stereo left only, the channel where the matrix format recorder put the L+R information. A perfect mix of the original stereo channels in mono! Nifty, huh? Converting to stereo could then be taken slowly because all of your recorded material was still usable. Those old mono machines could still be used in the Newsroom, too. Most all audio coming out of there is mono anyway and if you had to play a stereo cart in there for something it would work ok. The only disadvantage was a slight increase in apparent noise in stereo playback. This could be easily overcome by using what we used to call 'hot tape' that used a 250 nW flux standard for recording instead of the old 160 nW standard that was used for carts in the early days. The S/N ratio was effectively increased by 6 dB and that brought up the levels enough to counteract any extra noise in the matrix system. Some folks tried this with either Dolby SR or DBX NR, too. I never heard what that sounded like myself but I remember reading that Dolby SR did very well in that application. I always wanted to try the same method with cassettes.. I never got around to trying it but I bet it would work very well. Cart machines are long gone from most radio stations these days. Digital audio and hard drive storage has solved every problem that was part of working with analog tape. Still, I miss it sometimes. Digital is boring! : ) JC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Sep 16 16:08:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14949 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2006 22:48:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2006 22:48:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2006 22:48:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2006 22:48:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2006 22:48:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:48:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002101c6d9cc$841f7e10$05c4be42@yourfd6nvjcer4> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.21 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Inovonics "Noise-Free Radio"/Matrix recording in general. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=COJapO7OsBzHechcwUAq4EvtnKUHdChIOF0XsGaUMFJBYzWu4Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Collins" =20 wrote: > > That is the first I've ever heard of that idea. One thing I don't=20 get, though. Why would you use the AM component for L-R?... Hi Joe!!! I don't have heard about it. I think it just was a typographic=20 mistake. But I don't agree with you in some topics: 1) I HATE THE MATRIX WAY!!! Any matrix is a "terrorist attack"=20 against the essence of the stereo audio system itself. Stereo means=20 more than one SEPARATED audio channels. Stereo must have separated=20 audio channels. I know the FM stereo system uses matrix and I know=20 the system so well because I've had to fix more than one stereo=20 generator (it's so "beautiful" to fix the center line of the=20 composite signal in the oscilloscope), and I know it works "so fine".=20 Hahaha!!! Try to listen the very good Beatles' song "Michelle" from=20 an standard FM station with an standard FM tuner and turn off=20 the "vocal" track: you will hear the offensive treble audio range of=20 each "s" overcrossing the stereo center boundary. Why? Because the=20 matrix works almost good below 1 kHz but not above it. Listen the=20 same song from the original "Rubber Soul" album, with your old LP=20 player (I recommend a Shure cartridge), with a good RIAA pre- amplifier and a good stereo power amplifier... Despite the "fried=20 potatoes", It's a glorious stereo separated sound!!! Why? Because=20 there isn't any electronic matrix! (Indeed, the player stylus acts as=20 a "mechanical" matrix because it's only one thing to take two=20 signals, but the effect is minimal and... knowing the risk to be=20 treated as a complete stupid guy, I still prefer the sound from the=20 original vinyl discs!!!) 2) I don't agree with you about it'd be better a matrix analog stereo=20 tape (to avoid the loss of any channel) but... Now we have CDs, MDs,=20 DATs, MP3s, etc. Today... We're still worried with that problems? 3) The noise isn't a mono signal. Listen a cassette tape with an=20 stereo deck and turn the amplifier master volumen to the high top:=20 you'll hear different noise from the left and right channels. Listen=20 an AM stereo tuner (C-QUAM or ISB): you'll hear different noise from=20 the left and right channels. Listen an FM stereo tuner: you'll hear=20 different noise from the left and right channels. The strange thing=20 is: It wouldn't be like that but... It is!!! I don't know exactly why=20 but it is like that: noise isn't a monophonic source. Even, noise is=20 a very interesting thing: from time to time, noise is so useful to=20 help us to find mistakes (bad or losing connections). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Sep 16 16:38:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59435 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2006 23:35:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2006 23:35:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2006 23:35:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2006 23:35:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2006 23:35:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:35:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.21 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Inovonics "Noise-Free Radio"/Matrix recording in general. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=9BCRgNt1mhb7i-6RvRk26qfY0Q-FbNSm1kq1txUbYT4GxAg4kQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI AM STEREO FANS!!!!!!! Joe, I don't think digital was boring. I love the digital edit work=20 because it's more accurate and clean than analog tapes. Of course, we must to have some special criterion and "good nose" to=20 play with digital world. I think most of old analog recording was "translated" to digital too=20 much "dried" (my human ear asks about some "vacuum tube" distortions=20 and some amount of "spring" reverbs from those fabulous 1950's or=20 1960's records). I wonder how great would have been if 1950's and 1960's would have=20 had AM Stereo!!! I would be a rich man, babe!!! HaHaHa (it's a joke). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From badeditpro@charter.net Sun Sep 17 09:33:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39413 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2006 16:29:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2006 16:29:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf11.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.211) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2006 16:29:43 -0000 Received: from mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.137]) by mxsf11.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8HGTM8S032687 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 12:29:22 -0400 Received: from 66-190-196-005.dhcp.rnrp.nc.charter.com (HELO yourfd6nvjcer4) ([66.190.196.5]) by mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 17 Sep 2006 12:29:22 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,177,1157342400"; d="scan'208,217"; a="710818363:sNHT28768402" Message-ID: <000e01c6da76$7149b5d0$05c4be42@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 12:29:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.28.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: RE: Matrix AUdio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=4LE8La6d2VtIikcs8Ww8wlIOZIdUykW51eeZiAfZhidzsRna35kzhsG9MrXK X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, I was not claiming that matrix was a better way to record.... I just thought it was an interesting way to solve those particular problem with cart machines. From a broadcaster's point of view, less than perfect separation vs. muddy mono audio and machine incompatibility issues is a good compromise. Any stereo radio or TV station is heard in mono by about 50 % of their audience at any given time. There are plenty of mono radios still being sold today and with the ubiquitous 'blend' circuit in car radios on FM, most folks are listening in mono even if the radio says it's getting stereo. I HATE that thing! What I'm about to say will smack of pure heresy in this forum but there is a big advantage in turning the stereo pilot off altogether on low power FM stations. I worked for a company some years back that owned a 6,000 watt FM that was competing in a market where most every one else was running 50 k or more. It was decided to run that station in mono. Believe it or not, they were able to compete with the more powerful stations because the increase in usable signal area was enough to allow them to cover the entire market. I was not there for long after that but I don't think they ever got one single complaint! Don't worry.... All of my FM's in my cluster are in full stereo and they will stay that way. That is not something I would personally do with a station I was programming. Still, it was a good move for them that particular situation. Oh, yeah.... Digital is the bomb for editing and it certainly is more consistent than tape. I just loved working with the stuff and taking care of the machines. It was always satisfying to get a tape deck cleaned up and aligned just right. I used to spend hours rebuilding carts... New pressure pads, winding on new tape and cleaning off all of the residue from the labels that you stuck on their little rear ends.... It was fun for me. So, I still say that digital is boring when compared with all that. :) JC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Sep 17 14:50:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+yMB7+88+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47143 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2006 21:36:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2006 21:36:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2006 21:36:18 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.247]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 114700950 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:36:16 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <003f01c6daa2$4ac1a680$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:43:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 20, in=15, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.247 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A crazy idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=GLeEgVwTXlkI8wxvkM_3S3IVeB_8-6yF4uGHXmPrLXfAdLQXXUxV X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Actually, I think the NFR idea was cooked up by a George Yazell P.E. back in the early 80s, and it wasn't as you described, but was L+R envelope that was simultaneously narrow-band FMed with a stereo signal. The idea was to frequency multiply that part up to the FM IF frequency where it would be detected as a conventional FM signal. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > Or Inovonics' "Noise-Free Radio", a method similar to RCA/Belar's > stereo system, but in reverse-- The L+R sum in the narrowband FM, with > the L-R difference in the AM component. It's analogue, but is > incompatible. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Sep 18 07:40:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49279 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2006 14:22:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2006 14:22:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2006 14:22:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2006 14:21:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2006 14:21:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:21:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003f01c6daa2$4ac1a680$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.29 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A crazy idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Yx2tY4PDC5sppd6sJsvvNwCYWScjpHnpVX9SzgIQzd_NoSrNew X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > Actually, I think the NFR idea was cooked up by a George Yazell P.E.=20 back in > the early 80s, and it wasn't as you described, but was L+R envelope=20 that was > simultaneously narrow-band FMed with a stereo signal. The idea was to > frequency multiply that part up to the FM IF frequency where it would=20 be > detected as a conventional FM signal. >=20 > Scott Todd Scott, excuse my ignorance about it, but I think there have been more=20 than one system with the classic AM main envelope L+R channel and PM=20 (or FM) L-R channel. I don't know exactly what's the difference between=20 one or other, but all seem the same, essencially, to me (in other=20 words: the same basics as C-QUAM). Then I have a question: Can an standard AM C-QUAM tuner decode any=20 system with L+R in the main envelope modulation and L-R in the phase=20 (or frecuency) modulation? Of course, as any old radio ham, I still prefer the Independent Side=20 Band system because it doesn't use any not AM artifacts. But that's me. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From droland66@yahoo.com Mon Sep 18 15:32:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69396 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2006 22:25:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2006 22:25:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.160) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2006 22:25:27 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2006 22:25:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2006 22:25:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2006 22:25:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:25:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.62.179.16 From: "david roland" Subject: New Stereo Audio on Leonard Kahn's wrathofkahn.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=angj_T-gkmZaVrUNhNCWsFTMLzBvz_AaAyDr-OvXF_EQ-noR X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 Question. I'm having quite a letdown right now. While the new audio=20 files do sound pretty good, I was expecting the frequency response to=20 go out to 15 kHz. I guess he doesn't have the digital part perfected=20 yet. david From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon Sep 18 22:04:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44570 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2006 04:52:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2006 04:52:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2006 04:52:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2006 04:52:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2006 04:52:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 04:52:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.184.96.32 From: "Mike" Subject: Re: New Stereo Audio on Leonard Kahn's wrathofkahn.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087; y=crx_AZSpaz7tlXiiydTIk1La_b3oPwLdCBlSrYAa8lSkGkEf X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "david roland" =20 wrote: > > Question. I'm having quite a letdown right now. While the new=20 audio=20 > files do sound pretty good, I was expecting the frequency response=20 to=20 > go out to 15 kHz. I guess he doesn't have the digital part=20 perfected=20 > yet. >=20 > david > Not sounding too good. It, like HD-AM, has it's own problems=20 (what's with the static in the left channel, Leonard). The stereo=20 effect seems hollow. Not something I would exhibit. The audio is=20 very clippy at times. Neither system seems very capable of any realistic FM quality (don't=20 even mention CD) when you factor in the artifacts (perhaps the=20 casual listener will notice the high end and jump to a conclusion=20 about a perceived better quality as opposed to what's really going=20 on with the audio). I've said it before, HD is a bridge/band-aid to a different method=20 of content distribution for broadcasters in the future... one which=20 will expand well beyond the limits of analog transmission (or=20 digital encoded audio riding on analog transmission). If this is=20 what they need now to declare "digital", those who know know the=20 difference between DIGITAL and digital for the sake of using the=20 term. 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WSHQ 5.8 SHARE... KLVE 5.6 SHARE... Don From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Sep 19 16:06:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26524 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2006 22:58:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2006 22:58:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.159) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2006 22:58:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 28327 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Sep 2006 22:58:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20060919225835.28325.qmail@web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.240.134.122] by web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 15:58:35 PDT Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 15:58:35 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: A crazy idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=KUbifVhtG_jwPBy7vtkArJ5Uqz2npVferWTyWjpzJHyz-fCowwC7LNA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Juan wrote: " Can a standard AM C-QUAM tuner decode any system with L+R in the main envelope modulation and L-R in the phase (or frequency) modulation?" Juan, the Sony 'forced stereo' mode SRF-A100, SRF-A1 etc...have a selector switch between "A" and "B". One position decodes the (Kahn-Hazeltine) ISB AM stereo, and the other position was good for Harris, Magnavox and Motorola, and was actually optimized for the original 'winner' - Magnavox! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue Sep 19 17:39:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+jf9S+1+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6289 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2006 00:25:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2006 00:25:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2006 00:25:39 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.218]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 115888363 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:25:37 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <006601c6dc4c$4b0546a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:32:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 9, in=18, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.218 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A crazy idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=sAk5Pp8hlqkBuqfJS_Osapqa9zPixRzglcDGo8W0Vug9vATCWoum X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Not quite- NFR was never meant to be an AM stereo format. The NBFM part of the signal was a true FM stereo signal that needed to be frequency multiplied and then detected like a standard FM signal. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" Scott, excuse my ignorance about it, but I think there have been more than one system with the classic AM main envelope L+R channel and PM (or FM) L-R channel. I don't know exactly what's the difference between one or other, but all seem the same, essencially, to me (in other words: the same basics as C-QUAM). From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Sep 19 18:58:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88280 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2006 01:51:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2006 01:51:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.196) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2006 01:51:05 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n5.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2006 01:50:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2006 01:50:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2006 01:50:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 01:50:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060919225835.28325.qmail@web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.119 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: A crazy idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=HYPQuI-Z9w9nfTf8sht8jUv-jTyNQH5snRpD8HVlv6LZv67_fQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > Juan wrote: " Can a standard AM C-QUAM tuner decode any system with=20 L+R in the > main envelope modulation and L-R in the phase (or frequency)=20 modulation?" >=20 > Juan, the Sony 'forced stereo' mode SRF-A100, SRF-A1 etc...have a=20 selector > switch between "A" and "B". One position decodes the (Kahn- Hazeltine) ISB AM > stereo, and the other position was good for Harris, Magnavox and=20 Motorola, and > was actually optimized for the original 'winner' - Magnavox! =20 GREAT NOTICE JOHN!!! Thank you very much for your answer!!! But, please tell me: Where can I buy a Sony SRF-A100 tuner? Aditional note: John is Juan in spanish, so you have my name!!!=20 hahaha!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From amstereoexp@yahoo.com Wed Sep 20 05:36:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoexp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69793 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2006 12:22:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2006 12:22:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2006 12:22:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n15.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2006 12:22:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2006 12:22:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:22:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060919225835.28325.qmail@web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.99.17.251 From: "K.T." Subject: Re: A crazy idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78550888; y=DV_M3RLAKtf6ameocIa0u3DmKd-OCY-DOydWnFWL8zT3Flc6zYI X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoexp > Juan, the Sony 'forced stereo' mode SRF-A100, SRF-A1 etc...have a > selector switch between "A" and "B". One position decodes the > (Kahn-Hazeltine) ISB AM stereo, and the other position was good for > Harris, Magnavox and Motorola, and was actually optimized for the > original 'winner' - Magnavox! At least going by the ones I have, the SRF-A100 is optimized (lowest distortion, widest separation) for Magnavox AM Stereo, while the SRF-A1 is optimized for C-Quam. From amstereoexp@yahoo.com Wed Sep 20 05:41:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoexp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3462 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2006 12:26:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2006 12:26:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.110) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2006 12:26:58 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2006 12:25:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2006 12:25:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2006 12:25:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:25:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.99.17.251 From: "K.T." Subject: Re: New Stereo Audio on Leonard Kahn's wrathofkahn.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78550888; y=xxjsLTXmE2VkEa_1PXmyVgVfMc7sruNTbvl5K-mJIjxQ9TN8T9c X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoexp > Question. I'm having quite a letdown right now. While the new > audio files do sound pretty good, I was expecting the frequency > response to go out to 15 kHz. I guess he doesn't have the digital > part perfected yet. At first I was puzzled by Kahn's "stereo Cam-D" audio clip, but now I=20 get it. It's not "stereo", it's dual-channel. The analog AM=20 reception is in the left channel of the audio sample -- thus the=20 audible static at times -- while the digital Cam-D reception is in the=20 right channel. Both have an audio response that is limited to 8 kHz=20 (the design spec of Cam-D's analog audio). From amstereoexp@yahoo.com Wed Sep 20 05:44:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoexp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96421 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2006 12:35:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2006 12:35:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.191) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2006 12:35:07 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n24.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2006 12:32:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2006 12:32:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2006 12:32:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:32:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.99.17.251 From: "K.T." Subject: 1010 WINS in AM Stereo on FM! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78550888; y=j-ucNOCjmXNWKQ9O1MAVQVaPsSSO8ufxfiM_Ay3BuQ4NFZqs944 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoexp This morning on NYC's 106.7 "Lite FM" I heard a Volkswagen commercial=20 that is clearly designed to mimic the sound of New York's leading AM=20 news station, 1010 WINS. It has the teletype sound in the background,=20 an authoritative-sounding male announcer, and an audio response that=20 restricted to about 100 Hz - 6 kHz, with a bit of distortion on treble=20 peaks -- very similar to the sound of a medium-bandwidth '80s car=20 radio. But, if you pay attention, the commercial is in full STEREO,=20 including the teletype sound effect! WINS itself has not broadcast in=20 AM Stereo since 1995, but this commercial manages to get the sound of=20 it almost perfect. I'll try to catch a recording of it! From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Sep 20 22:49:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5118 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2006 05:49:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2006 05:49:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.212) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2006 05:49:44 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n21.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 05:49:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 05:49:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 05:49:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 05:49:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.88 From: "jotape1960" Subject: AM audition rating (or How to not worry about the noise) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=kmkhOtWZVVn1f8a-FRRUPfDJzlzGwBatyuPqMROWdoxW1lC3nA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI AM STEREO FANS!!!!!!! On 1995 was published a poll (or survey), in my country, about the=20 real radio audition rating. I think the poll was redone on 2005, but=20 I'm not sure about the results. Some results were very interesting: 1) How many hours per day do you listen radio? 60% =3D 4 or more hours per day. 25% =3D 2 at 3 hours per day. 15% =3D less than 2 hours per day. 2) Which band do you often listen? 82% =3D FM. 18% =3D AM. 3) Where (which place) do you often listen radio? 37% =3D At Car. 25% =3D At Work. 21% =3D While practice an sport. 17% =3D At home. Of course, "I don't put my hands into the fire" about the validation=20 of those results but... maybe, it's a good mirror of the reality. So, if we take those results and we work according to them: 1) We need to transmit in FM. 2) We need to transmit to the car audition. 3) We need to transmit 4 or more hours a day. ??? Is it really true? In this reality, if you think into a typical car enviroment, in a hot=20 summer day, in a very busy highway, with the car windows open... WHAT=20 KIND OF AUDIO QUALITY DO WE NEED? IS REALLY IMPORTANT A VERY WIDE=20 AUDIO BAND? IS THE NOISE AN IMPORTANT FACTOR? I think everybody needs (in this situation, of course) a relax=20 moment, in other words: music, a very good selected music according=20 the different ages of the car people. But the car enviroment has other interesting characteristics: 1) Normally the engine noise "dulls" the bass audio range. 2) The solid metal car bodywork isn't a good sound conductor and it=20 has a low resonant (again, not good to the bass notes). 3) Normally the stereo separation effect isn't the best due to the=20 speakers location (generally in the botton part of the door body).=20 Worst, Does somebody really worry about the stereo separation in a=20 car, in a hot summer day, in a very busy highway, with all the car=20 windows open? 4) The car engine (and other car engines) always affects, less or=20 more, to the radio reception. 5) In FM band is often frecuently the multipath problem (some null=20 points). 6) In AM band the coberture area is often decrease due to the motor=20 engine. 7) People often listen a very loud audio, with a great distortion too. So... Where is the perfect reception condition? And, if we can't get a perfect reception condition, Why do we worry=20 about the perfect transmition? Interesting question. Some ideas? At last: WHERE CAN I FIND AN AM STEREO ISB/C-QUAM TUNER? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Sep 20 23:29:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12544 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2006 06:28:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2006 06:28:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao06.cox.net) (68.230.241.33) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2006 06:28:55 -0000 Received: from fed1wml05.mgt.cox.net ([172.18.180.10]) by fed1rmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060921062853.HEOX6235.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@fed1wml05.mgt.cox.net>; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 02:28:53 -0400 Message-ID: <4219406.1158820133267.JavaMail.root@fed1wml05.mgt.cox.net> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:28:53 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: jotape1960 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM audition rating (or How to not worry about the noise) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=E9q1_hTDec4xd2OtapAS5brRwanfoS3jYJHbFBLjhF__GRMXLr7YRYE_jRJC X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner > > So, if we take those results and we work according to them: > > 1) We need to transmit in FM. > > 2) We need to transmit to the car audition. > > 3) We need to transmit 4 or more hours a day. > > ??? Is it really true? > > In this reality, if you think into a typical car enviroment, in a hot > summer day, in a very busy highway, with the car windows open... WHAT > KIND OF AUDIO QUALITY DO WE NEED? IS REALLY IMPORTANT A VERY WIDE > AUDIO BAND? IS THE NOISE AN IMPORTANT FACTOR? In the US, the vast majority of cars sold now have air conditioning. Outside noise is not an issue. > > I think everybody needs (in this situation, of course) a relax > moment, in other words: music, a very good selected music according > the different ages of the car people. > > But the car enviroment has other interesting characteristics: > > 1) Normally the engine noise "dulls" the bass audio range. Most cars today have almost no engine noise. Tire noise, yes, but it isn't much compared with cars of just 15 years ago. > > 2) The solid metal car bodywork isn't a good sound conductor and it > has a low resonant (again, not good to the bass notes). One word: Subwoofers. > > 3) Normally the stereo separation effect isn't the best due to the > speakers location (generally in the botton part of the door body). > Worst, Does somebody really worry about the stereo separation in a > car, in a hot summer day, in a very busy highway, with all the car > windows open? Bottom part of door along with the rear deck. Considering the distance your ears are from the speakers, separation in a car is probably better than anywhere else. > > 4) The car engine (and other car engines) always affects, less or > more, to the radio reception. Huh? I haven't ever had engine noise except on my '91 S-10 AM Stereo. Had to clean the antenna wire periodically. > > 5) In FM band is often frecuently the multipath problem (some null > points). Yes. > > 6) In AM band the coberture area is often decrease due to the motor > engine. coberture? > > 7) People often listen a very loud audio, with a great distortion too. One word: Amplifiers. > > So... Where is the perfect reception condition? > > And, if we can't get a perfect reception condition, Why do we worry > about the perfect transmition? Both my stock radio and my replacement Blaupunkt offer a near-perfect audio experience in my '99 Silverado. Only problem of note on both radios: limited AM bandwidth makes it hard to listen to AM. When windows ARE open, the lack of highs on AM in most cars renders it unlistenable. So good transmission and good reception are a must. Of course I listen to Sirius more now anyway. Richard From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Sep 21 07:49:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37504 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2006 14:48:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2006 14:48:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2006 14:48:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 489 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Sep 2006 14:48:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20060921144809.487.qmail@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 07:48:09 PDT Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 07:48:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 From: "John P." Subject: Verify AM Stereo stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=iJL29-K2BC0AEcbyuutyzNYtKCfv6_KZz1MbwJR9qjkEKemZbFN7InM X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Is anybody in earshot of this station to verify their AM stereo audio? "WGCR also broadcasts on AM 720kHz daytime in Pisgah Forest, NC, USA, in C-QUAM Stereo with 10,000 Watts" Also, after a trip this week, I can verify that WBCO 1540 in Bucyrus, Ohio is still in beautiful AM stereo with music, and WMNI 920 is in stereo with some of the most fabulous audio - very smooth yet strong bass, no pumping, no cliping, and although I didn't notice hardly any separation, their music sounded just fantastic - give their audio engineer an A+ on WMNI Columbus. You should see what he's using for his audio, as it is 'da-bomb'! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Sep 21 10:37:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68132 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2006 17:36:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2006 17:36:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52204.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.127) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2006 17:36:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 60160 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Sep 2006 17:35:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20060921173554.60158.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.5.219.153] by web52204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:35:54 PDT Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:35:54 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060921144809.487.qmail@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.127 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Verify AM Stereo stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=AGOAsG1MS4GVj_ZQbDjzwHuSxT19frP-RCHjoJ6EH1Y X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "John P." wrote: > Is anybody in earshot of this station to verify > their AM stereo audio? > > "WGCR also broadcasts on AM 720kHz daytime in Pisgah > Forest, NC, > USA, in C-QUAM Stereo with 10,000 Watts" According to someone who used to engineer this station, it hasn't been in years. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Sep 21 11:38:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52801 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2006 18:30:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2006 18:30:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.181) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2006 18:30:41 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 18:29:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 18:29:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 18:29:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 18:29:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4219406.1158820133267.JavaMail.root@fed1wml05.mgt.cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.78 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM audition rating (or How to not worry about the noise) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=4cHwPSE6Y8EFSZ8Yx3X2RsJ_WZKmGsIcPIoO7mMlRl2py2EMkw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > In the US, the vast majority of cars sold now have air=20 conditioning. Outside noise is not an issue.=20 =20 Lucky guys!!! Of course you live in USA. If you have a plenty of=20 money, you can get a perfect car here, in Chile. =20 > Most cars today have almost no engine noise. Tire noise, yes, but=20 it isn't much compared with cars of just 15 years ago. =20 Mmm, I don't agree with you. There are cars, new cars, with a very=20 good noise isolated cabin (Chrysler, Chevrolet, Ford). But you live=20 in USA and I live in Chile: the most chilean cars are from China,=20 Taiwan, Japan and they don't often have a very good noise isolation. > coberture? =20 Sorry, Sorry, Sorry, It's my mistake. I thought "cobertura" (in=20 spanish) and I wrote a bad word. I must write: "COVERAGE". Sorry. =20 > Both my stock radio and my replacement Blaupunkt offer a near- perfect audio experience in my '99 Silverado. Only problem of note on=20 both radios: limited AM bandwidth makes it hard to listen to AM. When=20 windows ARE open, the lack of highs on AM in most cars renders it=20 unlistenable. So good transmission and good reception are a must. =20 I agree with you about any AM broadcaster must to transmit with the=20 best audio quality. I wrote that paragraph with an ironic intention. I have an story to tell about it: Time ago, when in my city there=20 wasn't any FM station (only 3 AM), I took a "collective taxi" (a kind=20 of taxi but with more than one passenger and with a fixed route) to=20 my house. The driver listened an AM station but not in the center=20 tuning point. Of course, the audio was distorted. So, when he stopped=20 to left a passenger, I re-tuned the station to the center point (it=20 was an analog dial tuner). When the driver got in to the car, he=20 said: "It sounds bad" and he re-detuned the station to a lateral=20 position. Moral: There are some guys... And there are some tastes... But I still check any step in my station to get the best sound=20 (despite the listener). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From droland66@yahoo.com Thu Sep 21 14:26:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52123 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2006 21:16:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2006 21:16:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.26) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2006 21:16:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 21:16:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 21:16:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:16:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.26 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.99.185.241 From: "david roland" Subject: Re: New Stereo Audio on Leonard Kahn's wrathofkahn.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=PMVfg_dWwBPxI6EFbAsM8W4jX0PdNtxYCYdXe4greDg6uMwJ X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "K.T." wrote: > > > Question. I'm having quite a letdown right now. While the new > > audio files do sound pretty good, I was expecting the frequency > > response to go out to 15 kHz. I guess he doesn't have the digital > > part perfected yet. >=20 > At first I was puzzled by Kahn's "stereo Cam-D" audio clip, but now=20 I=20 > get it. It's not "stereo", it's dual-channel. The analog AM=20 > reception is in the left channel of the audio sample -- thus the=20 > audible static at times -- while the digital Cam-D reception is in=20 the=20 > right channel. Both have an audio response that is limited to 8 kHz=20 > (the design spec of Cam-D's analog audio). > Is this the way it is going to sound on the finished receivers? If=20 so, it's CRAP! I was expecting a decoded sound full of life above=20 10kHz up to the 15 kHz of FM. Please tell me this is a work in=20 process. david From amdavid@pacbell.net Thu Sep 21 16:31:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 74679 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2006 23:23:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2006 23:23:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.150) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2006 23:23:34 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n7.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 23:22:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 23:22:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 23:22:51 -0000 X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91214 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2006 18:24:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2006 18:24:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web81608.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.199.160) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2006 18:24:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 76122 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Sep 2006 18:16:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20060921181634.76120.qmail@web81608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.112.180.50] by web81608.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:16:34 PDT Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:16:34 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.199.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM audition rating (or How to not worry about the noise) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=coWmfiqHPfhjZ8-m0LMchMudC35Ico5p__cf3yyzfVvxQNmMQg X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 21 Sep 2006 23:22:50 -0000 In the US, about 30% of listening is in the car, with most being at work or= at home. In 18-54, which is the only group terrestrial radio programs for = (collectively) listening is a little over 19 hours a week per average perso= n. AM listening in 18-54 is about 15%, with the rest on FM.=20 jotape1960 wrote: HI AM STEREO FANS!!!!!!! On 1995 was published a poll (or survey), in my country, about the=20 real radio audition rating. I think the poll was redone on 2005, but=20 I'm not sure about the results. Some results were very interesting: 1) How many hours per day do you listen radio? 60% =3D 4 or more hours per day. 25% =3D 2 at 3 hours per day. 15% =3D less than 2 hours per day. 2) Which band do you often listen? 82% =3D FM. 18% =3D AM. 3) Where (which place) do you often listen radio? 37% =3D At Car. 25% =3D At Work. 21% =3D While practice an sport. 17% =3D At home. Of course, "I don't put my hands into the fire" about the validation=20 of those results but... maybe, it's a good mirror of the reality. So, if we take those results and we work according to them: 1) We need to transmit in FM. 2) We need to transmit to the car audition. 3) We need to transmit 4 or more hours a day. ??? Is it really true? In this reality, if you think into a typical car enviroment, in a hot=20 summer day, in a very busy highway, with the car windows open... WHAT=20 KIND OF AUDIO QUALITY DO WE NEED? IS REALLY IMPORTANT A VERY WIDE=20 AUDIO BAND? IS THE NOISE AN IMPORTANT FACTOR? I think everybody needs (in this situation, of course) a relax=20 moment, in other words: music, a very good selected music according=20 the different ages of the car people. But the car enviroment has other interesting characteristics: 1) Normally the engine noise "dulls" the bass audio range. 2) The solid metal car bodywork isn't a good sound conductor and it=20 has a low resonant (again, not good to the bass notes). 3) Normally the stereo separation effect isn't the best due to the=20 speakers location (generally in the botton part of the door body).=20 Worst, Does somebody really worry about the stereo separation in a=20 car, in a hot summer day, in a very busy highway, with all the car=20 windows open? 4) The car engine (and other car engines) always affects, less or=20 more, to the radio reception. 5) In FM band is often frecuently the multipath problem (some null=20 points). 6) In AM band the coberture area is often decrease due to the motor=20 engine. 7) People often listen a very loud audio, with a great distortion too. So... Where is the perfect reception condition? And, if we can't get a perfect reception condition, Why do we worry=20 about the perfect transmition? Interesting question. Some ideas? At last: WHERE CAN I FIND AN AM STEREO ISB/C-QUAM TUNER? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Thu Sep 21 16:34:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 82047 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2006 23:22:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2006 23:22:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2006 23:22:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 23:21:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 23:21:19 -0000 X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37632 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2006 04:58:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2006 04:58:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web81606.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.199.158) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2006 04:58:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 42476 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Sep 2006 04:58:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20060921045813.42474.qmail@web81606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.230.83.249] by web81606.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 21:58:13 PDT Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 21:58:13 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.199.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD, yawn... It's old Dave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909; y=754fQdgJ4-M4bYF6Zv6OqsC9oB5UVyQMzIS92jXUIVRYqrvqzQ X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 21 Sep 2006 23:21:18 -0000 I even named them. Tejano, Caliente, Caricia, Aguila and Vibra. "kevin - Gilbert, AZ" wrote: On 9/3/06 8:55 PM, "David Gleason" wrote: > I have XM because I have a home in aplace where there is very little > terrestrial radio to be heard.... and also because for three years, I > programmed 5 of the XM channels. If you live in Hassayampa, you should be able to hear plenty of signals. I can hear plenty there without any DX radio. Out of curiosity, what channels did you program? Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Sep 21 18:35:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+lPXz+3+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67874 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2006 01:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2006 01:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2006 01:13:12 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.9]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 115766439 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:13:07 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c6dde5$458aa040$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:20:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 9, in=9, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.9 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM audition rating (or How to not worry about the noise) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=PmALI0yBSh847xnxfy90PIVsvtt2t1cEHJbfJ6EqCEHj76sr86_l X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude There weren't too many radios which could decode both. Your best bet is to find a Sony SRF-A100 on ebay, but be prepared to shell out some dinero. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" At last: WHERE CAN I FIND AN AM STEREO ISB/C-QUAM TUNER? From bob_welch550@yahoo.com Thu Sep 21 19:56:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bob_welch550@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52836 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2006 02:51:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2006 02:51:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2006 02:51:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2006 02:51:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2006 02:51:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:51:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000e01c6da76$7149b5d0$05c4be42@yourfd6nvjcer4> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.72.98.84 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: Matrix AUdio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213592090; y=cF7VtiaLZkckvmfKIYxq9ZEuRV2ZBZGC3Yu2IATDeIxi8NuChffI X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Joe, From being a complete newby at this "technology of radio" science...=20 I always wondered why I just had this funny feeling that the sound=20 was coming from the center of the dash eventhough the ST light was=20 on an FM station and my speakers were mounted in the doors. I=20 always smelled a rat... but, never knew what it was.=20=20 Bob @ WDEV/ Waterbury, VT --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Collins" =20 wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > I was not claiming that matrix was a better way to record.... I=20 just thought it was an interesting way to solve those particular=20 problem with cart machines. From a broadcaster's point of view,=20 less than perfect separation vs. muddy mono audio and machine=20 incompatibility issues is a good compromise. Any stereo radio or TV=20 station is heard in mono by about 50 % of their audience at any=20 given time. There are plenty of mono radios still being sold today=20 and with the ubiquitous 'blend' circuit in car radios on FM, most=20 folks are listening in mono even if the radio says it's getting=20 stereo. I HATE that thing! >=20 > What I'm about to say will smack of pure heresy in this forum but=20 there is a big advantage in turning the stereo pilot off altogether=20 on low power FM stations. I worked for a company some years back=20 that owned a 6,000 watt FM that was competing in a market where most=20 every one else was running 50 k or more. It was decided to run that=20 station in mono. Believe it or not, they were able to compete with=20 the more powerful stations because the increase in usable signal=20 area was enough to allow them to cover the entire market. I was not=20 there for long after that but I don't think they ever got one single=20 complaint! >=20 > Don't worry.... All of my FM's in my cluster are in full stereo=20 and they will stay that way. That is not something I would=20 personally do with a station I was programming. Still, it was a=20 good move for them that particular situation. >=20 > Oh, yeah.... Digital is the bomb for editing and it certainly is=20 more consistent than tape. I just loved working with the stuff and=20 taking care of the machines. It was always satisfying to get a tape=20 deck cleaned up and aligned just right. I used to spend hours=20 rebuilding carts... New pressure pads, winding on new tape and=20 cleaning off all of the residue from the labels that you stuck on=20 their little rear ends.... It was fun for me. So, I still say that=20 digital is boring when compared with all that. >=20 > :) >=20 > JC >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Sep 21 23:48:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11227 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2006 06:48:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2006 06:48:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2006 06:48:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2006 06:47:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2006 06:47:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 06:47:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.115 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Matrix AUdio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=i8SDKDSOJWstHt-lDDpsJMiRWN7TlyaVD5HXbH0AUuOkitoXqQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Welch" =20 wrote: > > Joe, >=20 > From being a complete newby at this "technology of radio"=20 science...=20 > I always wondered why I just had this funny feeling that the sound=20 > was coming from the center of the dash eventhough the ST light was=20 > on an FM station and my speakers were mounted in the doors. I=20 > always smelled a rat... but, never knew what it was.=20=20 >=20 > Bob @ WDEV/ Waterbury, VT =20 That is another "apparent" reason to not worry about the technical=20 specs: there are a lot of STEREO records, really recorded with stereo=20 technology, but with no really stereo separation. Specially from the=20 1970's. I think it was to win the signal vs noise battle (they put=20 all the instruments and voices in the "center" channel and only put=20 the reverb in the left/right side channels, or they put an instrument=20 in the left channel but they put the same instrument in the right=20 channel but with some delay, very ugly to me). Even, there were a lot=20 of records with the STEREO sign but they weren't really stereo audio=20 sources (there were stereo encoders from mono sources, I never have=20 loved it). So, the broadcasters can't transmit with real stereo sound=20 always as they'd want. Even more, I've found more than one old vinyl record with=20 an "azimuth" problem (the playback tape head azimuth wasn't coincide=20 with the record tape head azimuth), so the audio sounds almost=20 perfect in stereo mode but... it sounds so bad in mono mode. I've=20 found the same problem in some CDs with old audio music (For example:=20 the song "When I'm Sixty Four" from Beatles' Sgt. Pepper). Of=20 course, "We can work it out" with the digital world today=20 but... "It's gonna take some time". Anyhow, I don't think the audio matrix helps us to really fix those=20 problems. "Simplest is always the best", so the best thing is to=20 carry the stereo channels, farthest and isolated as possible, from=20 the source to the final speakers system. I hope some AM Stereo station still was transmit real stereo music,=20 like the fabulous Beatles' "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band".=20 Although, according to a lot of postings, we must to say: "Nothing is=20 real". I would want to hear: "An Splendid Time Is Guaranteed For...=20 AM". GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From badeditpro@charter.net Sun Sep 24 21:33:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90874 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2006 04:32:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2006 04:32:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf19.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.219) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2006 04:32:58 -0000 Received: from mxip29a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip29a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.188]) by mxsf19.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8P4Wl3M026938 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 00:32:47 -0400 Received: from 66-190-197-009.dhcp.rnrp.nc.charter.com (HELO yourfd6nvjcer4) ([66.190.197.9]) by mxip29a.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 25 Sep 2006 00:32:47 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,210,1157342400"; d="scan'208,217"; a="1775193917:sNHT35343996" Message-ID: <001601c6e05b$a9f72530$09c5be42@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 00:32:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.28.219 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: RE: FM Blend Circuit/Low Separation STereo Records X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=2EDXdf2D1FHjjJh5FMrgfHuQ5ijl0FZXCqMwtmldnSDpx6fTWq4AD1xpvLos X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob, Yes, the dreaded blend circuit is something that FM broadcasters have been cussing about for years now... The idea is that you lose stereo separation as a trade off for better noise performance. Modulation Science came out with a box called a StereoMaxx a few years back that was supposed to help enhance the stereo separation. What it did was dynamically boost the L-R audio BEFORE it went through the stations audio chain. They were all the rage in the early 90's. I never liked them much because most folks did not have the ears to set them up properly and they usually were just cranked wide open. They worked pretty well if you fed them perfect audio but if the channels were slightly out of balance or out of phase, you got some pretty strange effects. A good friend of mine went to the national SBE convention one year and said he ran into the fellow who dreamed the blend circuit up. I jokingly asked him why he didn't punch him square in the mouth.... I too remember those records from the late 70's that didn't have much separation. It seemed to be a fad in the recording industry for a little while. A classic example is Joe Jackson's "Look Sharp!" album from 1979 where there is very little stereo separation. A lot of Elvis Costello's early work is recorded that way too and same goes for The Stray Cats' first album, "Built For Speed"... Fortunately, stereo started to get interesting again in the 80's Not a whole lot of 'binaural' stuff was around but some really fantastic sounds came from the 80's Genesis' "Genesis" album has some very tight and interesting stereo going on. One of the best stereo recordings I've ever heard is from Nat 'King' Cole's early 60's period with Capitol records. It is his recording of "The Late, Late Show." They were using an Ampex 3 track mastering tape recorder to capture a live session with Billy May's Orchestra and they had Nat right in the center channel with the orchestra perfectly balanced around him. They used a touch of warm 'verb to give Nat's voice some sheen and warmth when they mixed down to two channels... He just seems to be in his own little plane right in with the big band sounds coming in from all around. A wonderful treat with headphones on. :) JC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun Sep 24 22:39:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9530 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2006 05:39:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2006 05:39:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.206) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2006 05:39:14 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 05:38:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 05:38:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 05:38:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 05:38:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001601c6e05b$a9f72530$09c5be42@yourfd6nvjcer4> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.184.96.32 From: "Mike" Subject: Re: FM Blend Circuit/Low Separation STereo Records X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087; y=mtoLgxGtlMaN2E4FWDrUwjGF97oIfJvaNkV5CB55soVlPOl_ X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Collins" =20 wrote: > > Bob, >=20 > Yes, the dreaded blend circuit is something that FM broadcasters=20 have been cussing about for years now... The idea is that you lose=20 stereo separation as a trade off for better noise performance.=20=20 Some stereo's do it very well. The stock radio in my Mercury is one.=20=20 I had an Eclipse stereo that also did a good job, you really didn't=20 notice it all that much while the car was moving. Some stereo's are awful... Pioneer, Kenwood and Sony come to mind.=20=20 Kenwood is so bad between the blend and hi cut circuits it sounded=20 like you were listening to a tape roll off a head. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Sep 26 08:30:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52839 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2006 15:27:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2006 15:27:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.178) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2006 15:27:26 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n11.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2006 15:26:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2006 15:26:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2006 15:26:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:26:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.178 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.121 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: FM Blend Circuit/Low Separation STereo Records X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=YYdBH1Ei4gkALXB7pCM3PcRsrRRA_GyDMKNJrxyyO-MFDUfYGg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI A.M. STEREO FANS!!!!!!! Well, I think the most noticeable problem with FM Stereo (I hope it=20 wasn't a problem in any AM Stereo station) is the excessive increase=20 of the "trebles" (high audio frecuency range), in the TX part. Many FM broadcasters think their stations sound "so great" if they=20 exaggerate the trebles and the basses. GREAT MISTAKE!!! They only get=20 more overmodulation and all its inherent phenomenons. There are a lot of FM tuners with this problem too. It seems to me as=20 the tuners don't equalize the 75 uSec pre-emphasis curve to get more=20 trebles. I think it's a mistake too (I hate all those typical shrill=20=20 from the car tuners). Most of narrow audio band AM tuners distort the trebles above 3 kHz=20 and it sounds "terrible"!!! I don't know if we can fix it in any way. Any saturation of the trebles, in the TX part, causes a lot of=20 problems on the typical "stereo matrix" (L+R, L-R). Think about=20 the "delightful" sound of the cymbals when they are recorded on one=20 side channel (left or right) and you get the "monkey chatter" (mirror=20 of the cymbals sound) on the other side, A very "glorious" sound!!! Pure ISB AM STEREO (without the Kahn's matrix system) takes advantage=20 from this problem because there isn't any stereo channels blend. Of course, it doesn't solve the noise basic problem. Does somebody have thought about the idea of ISB AM STEREO with=20 suppressed carrier? There is more than one privilege of this system,=20 although it needs an special tuner. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From pdmtr@yahoo.com Wed Sep 27 10:55:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 669 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2006 17:48:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2006 17:48:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2006 17:48:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2006 17:47:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2006 17:47:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:47:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 62.38.241.145 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Panasonic VP-8254P for sale at Ebay1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=eIE98B5G8WnLOtg2RI1pqj7-GmRC7pGRUZfVSM3tPb8 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi gang=20 i have no connection to seller of it but i 'm sure some guys here will=20 be interested on it! These are awsome equipments, have all the models=20 of am stereo line from panasonic and they all worked excellent!=20 see this CQUAM only model at=20 =20 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D160034356523=20 regards=20 sotiris From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Sep 27 20:01:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5269 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2006 03:00:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2006 03:00:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s12.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.212) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2006 02:59:59 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.13]) by bay0-omc3-s12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:59:59 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:59:58 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 02:59:53 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 02:59:53 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Sep 2006 02:59:58.0907 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F1830B0:01C6E2AA] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Panasonic VP-8254P for sale at Ebay1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=KU2p8UmAIWCzEIiurYwk5-zqu9WLctv9yk653hwSreZTzgM2LxNL4hU7y8I X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Hi Sotiris, That's a sharp looking unit and Panasonic seems to still be a good brand. It's $150 at the "buy now" feature. The seller is in the Boston area. Donn St Petersburg,FL USA ---------------------------------------------- ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Sotiris" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Panasonic VP-8254P for sale at Ebay1 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:47:28 -0000 Hi gang i have no connection to seller of it but i 'm sure some guys here will be interested on it! These are awsome equipments, have all the models of am stereo line from panasonic and they all worked excellent! see this CQUAM only model at http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160034356523 regards sotiris From pdmtr@yahoo.com Thu Sep 28 01:47:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13466 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2006 08:47:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2006 08:47:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2006 08:47:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2006 08:47:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2006 08:47:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:47:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.75.62.76 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Panasonic VP-8254P for sale at Ebay1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=q2UMV0XDYs9Jnmd4uMzHiCeIyMVYcgqffQ5WY1spj9M X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi Don=20 Yes I know how well those geberators are as I got a bunch of them=20 here including the 8252P, 8253P all system models... They were made=20 like tanks! Heavy and screened inside by double metal boxes at every=20 part of them!=20 Panasonic (National) T&M dept has done a real great job I think! I=20 have also some other instruments, as the VP7635A FM stereo generator,=20 and all of them are incredible reliable as T&M... Only negative thing=20 is the lack of service manual for them!!! Even the OManual will be=20 nice as they usually put schematic diagrams in it!=20 Have a full T&M lab here and the Panasonic equipments are sitting=20 proudly next to HP, Tek, etc brands...=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman"=20 wrote: > > Hi Sotiris, >=20 > That's a sharp looking unit and Panasonic seems to still be a good=20 brand. >=20 > It's $150 at the "buy now" feature. The seller is in the Boston=20 area. >=20 > Donn > St Petersburg,FL USA >=20 > ---------------------------------------------- >=20 > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Sotiris" > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Panasonic VP-8254P for sale at Ebay1 > Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:47:28 -0000 >=20 > Hi gang > i have no connection to seller of it but i 'm sure some guys here=20 will > be interested on it! These are awsome equipments, have all the=20 models > of am stereo line from panasonic and they all worked excellent! > see this CQUAM only model at >=20 > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D160034356523 >=20 > regards > sotiris > From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Sep 28 02:27:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33321 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2006 09:27:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2006 09:27:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s22.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.158) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2006 09:27:27 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.14]) by bay0-omc2-s22.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 02:18:13 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 02:18:04 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:17:59 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:17:59 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Sep 2006 09:18:04.0758 (UTC) FILETIME=[00EA5760:01C6E2DF] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: AM 640,The Villages,FL needs a full-time engineer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=eTztn82bxHMM3pE1j3gBXSy4vELne7gC2-9uYci7xoISMGhcQpzAt-rYtAw X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo WVLG (though no longer AM-stereo; they were under prior ownership,the prior ownership turned off the stereo) 640 Wildwood/The Villages, Florida is looking for a full time engineer, and job duties would include doing their many remotes. (mostly concerts broadcast from the Village Square in Spanish Springs.) WVLG is live and local from 6am to midnight, then automated overnight, the format is music from the late 50's through the late 70's or early 80's. The Villages is a huge retirement communitiy between Leesburg and Ocala, Florida. The Uniiversity of Florida in Gainesville is about an hour away, as is Orlando. The Villages has their own daily newspaper, radio station, cable tv channel, hospital, several gulf courses and many restaurants, polo and many live events. The Villages cover three counties, Sumter, Marion and Lake counties. Nearby communities to live in(within an easy 10 mile commuting to the Villages), are Lady Lake, Wildwood, Leesburg, Summerfield and Belleview, FL The last I knew, their studios were in downtown Spanish Springs near the town square, but according to http://www. Radio-Locator.com , their address and phone and fax numbers are as follows: 6883 NE 79TH TERRACE Wildwood, FL 34785 Phone: 352-750-9854 Fax: 352-753-1143 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Sep 29 14:19:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5917 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2006 21:10:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2006 21:10:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.172) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2006 21:10:52 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n5.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2006 21:10:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2006 21:10:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2006 21:10:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:10:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.35 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Polls about AM Stereo formats X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=wXDRlR3E3KYmjG_HMG07GK2k7bGNqIuf4Suw2-7w4kaJE769IQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI AM STEREO FANS!!!!!!! I have a little question to the group: Do you think the poll about "Which format do you prefer to listen=20 your favourite music" was fair? How can you poll about more than one system if in USA there is only=20 one legal system and all the others are illegals? I think the fair play would be to get back and to poll: "IF YOU COULD CHOICE TODAY BETWEEN KAHN-ISB, MAGNAVOX, HARRIS OR C- QUAM, WHICH SYSTEM WOULD YOU CHOICE?" Or, Did the only one legal system owner (Motorola) buy the rights to=20 think, to vote and to poll, too? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Sep 30 20:51:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8166 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2006 03:40:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2006 03:40:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2006 03:40:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 10931 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Oct 2006 03:40:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20061001034046.10929.qmail@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.240.134.122] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 20:40:46 PDT Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 20:40:46 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: Polls about AM Stereo formats X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=d5wgA0I4Qdn2WTUJP-NHeW5vx4sSX7qrYTXIWiGMWHu9YeB52jjJnak X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I heard CKLW-AM (with 15KHz bandwidth audio) using the Harris AM Stereo system and it was breathtaking, so I give Harris the edge. It sounded so great that I was very disappointed when they got 'put on hold' by the FCC. I recall receiving either WHAS or WSM in Harris here as well, and they came in decent. I only heard Magnavox over WOWO from Ft. Wayne and I was not impressed - the high-end frequencies were not there - it was cut-off, almost as bad as IBOC analog. The same story for Kahn - good separation, but I don't recall the high-end stereo audio being there like it was with Harris, but it was still decent audio, nonetheless. But, for now-a-days, C-Quam on a Fanfare AM Stereo tuner is the "cat's meow"! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Oct 01 10:08:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58041 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2006 17:08:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2006 17:08:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2006 17:08:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2006 17:07:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2006 17:07:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 17:07:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20061001034046.10929.qmail@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.41 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Polls about AM Stereo formats X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Me2ybGFHtU2nA30p5XToi7s6gT0bqYSznl0Qz1P2ZSVVmJ74yg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > I heard CKLW-AM (with 15KHz bandwidth audio) using the Harris AM=20 Stereo system > and it was breathtaking, so I give Harris the edge. It sounded so=20 great that I > was very disappointed when they got 'put on hold' by the FCC. I=20 recall > receiving either WHAS or WSM in Harris here as well, and they came=20 in decent. >=20 > I only heard Magnavox over WOWO from Ft. Wayne and I was not=20 impressed - the > high-end frequencies were not there - it was cut-off, almost as bad=20 as IBOC > analog. The same story for Kahn - good separation, but I don't=20 recall the > high-end stereo audio being there like it was with Harris, but it=20 was still > decent audio, nonetheless. But, for now-a-days, C-Quam on a=20 Fanfare AM Stereo > tuner is the "cat's meow"! >=20 Thanks for your comments. I really envy all of you (USA people)=20 because you have AM Stereo stations "in the air" to listen!!! I need some help about the Harris and Kahn systems. I have enough=20 material about C-QUAM and Magnavox, but I don't have enough material=20 about Kahn and Harris system, in facts I don't know anything about=20 Harris system. The only one material I have about Kahn is a block diagram from an AM=20 Stereo web page but I think the diagram is bad (it seems as another=20 way of C-QUAM) because it doesn't explain how the non-desirable=20 sideband is eliminated. So, Can somebody help me about Harris and Kahn systems? (A non=20 summarized explanation, I hope so) About the "decent" audio, I read long time ago about a system who=20 increased the treble audio part in the TX and decreased it in the=20 tuner (similar to the FM 75 usec pre-enphasis curve). Did it work,=20 really? Is it used today? I ask it because the most important problem=20 with the "wider" audio bandwidth AM tuners was, is (and I'm afraid=20 will be) the excessive noise above 5 kHz. So, maybe that system would=20 be a way to win the eternal "noise battle". GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Oct 01 18:35:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56826 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 01:28:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2006 01:28:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.111) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2006 01:28:56 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2006 01:24:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2006 01:24:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2006 01:24:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 01:24:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20061001034046.10929.qmail@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.111 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.250.21.93 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Polls about AM Stereo formats X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=Y5YIl6onFpW8qddp923EGXCjD8XKOgh8YMmh3EghSk9SM4qwwA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I only heard Magnavox over WOWO from Ft. Wayne and I was not > impressed - the high-end frequencies were not there - it was > cut-off, almost as bad as IBOC analog. The same story for Kahn - > good separation, but I don't recall the high-end stereo audio being > there like it was with Harris, but it was still decent audio, > nonetheless. All four AM Stereo systems do not have any inherent restrictions on=20 audio bandwidth. What you were likely hearing was differences in=20 audio processing and tower array bandwidth. AM Stereo stations that=20 had installed all new equipment, including towers with optimized=20 bandwidth, always sounded much better than stations which were still=20 using 1960s-era tube transmitters and WWII-era towers. The ideal AM Stereo system would have been a combination of the best=20 techniques from all four systems, but with the corporate might of=20 Motorola and the personal stubborness of Kahn, that was an impossible=20 outcome. The game was already won by Motorola in the Fall of 1984,=20 when the Big Three began installing C-Quam-only radios in their 1985=20 model-year vehicles. p.s. AM Stereo was approved by the FCC in 1982, and by 1986, 30% of=20 all new vehicles sold in the USA were being equipped with C-Quam AM Stereo radios. IBOC was approved by the FCC in 2002, and now in=20 2006, the number of new vehicles sold with HD2-capable IBOC receivers=20 remains zero! From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Oct 02 15:54:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30970 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 22:53:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2006 22:53:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2006 22:53:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 10523 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Oct 2006 22:53:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20061002225329.10521.qmail@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.18.87] by web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:53:29 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 15:53:29 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: WCSZ 1070 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=mZ7HLZy5AscSGhFRA3aToYexSLH4r1LXhvcNxa-yeHDElfaGsaw3 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Anyone know who owns WCSZ 1070 AM in Greenville, SC? They were just a sports station and no are finally an oldies station! Woo Hoo!! Finally a good oldies station is on in the upstate of South Carolina. I just wanted to know if the DJ's on it were local or at another location. Seems like it's always oldies usa or davesdiner but alas great music. Well let me know anyone, would love to hear anything about this station. -Kevin Bell Upstate SC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Oct 02 17:12:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98425 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2006 00:08:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2006 00:08:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2006 00:08:13 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.234.96.23.dial1.miami1.level3.net ([4.234.96.23] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GUXpT-0001Fh-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:08:12 -0400 Message-ID: <03ab01c6e680$0544b8b0$1760ea04@PossumHunter> To: References: <20061002225329.10521.qmail@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:08:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=kTBu9IrSXXNTMDRAQu7pjWZXHFhtyPuBPqlpuXoWv0puAcVIDrHENpRAP8viCQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: > Anyone know who owns WCSZ 1070 AM in Greenville, SC? WCSZ 1070 Is former AM Stereo WHYZ 1070. It is owned by Tampa, FL based Tama Broadcasting. Kevin in Fort Lauderdale From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Oct 02 18:48:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50164 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2006 01:44:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2006 01:44:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2006 01:44:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 58860 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Oct 2006 01:11:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20061003011144.58858.qmail@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.18.87] by web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:11:44 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:11:44 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <03ab01c6e680$0544b8b0$1760ea04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=Fng0rhrguBj6CjLoZr9X75e1cJL2ljON1FOON5bVWrWwyk1NnF73 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Kevin, Is it still black owned? I know back in the 80s it was a black r&b funk station. I think that station or format was the longest lasting on that particular station/frequency. Since the WHYZ thing left it's been all sorts of things and at one time was just carrying CNN news 24/7. It says its in Sans Souci SC which is a misnomer because its actually in Berea. Sans Souci is a ways from that station and studios. Sans Souci is no more anyway, they renamed the whole area Cherrydale when that new strip mall came. They tore down the old sans souci elementary and renamed the new one in its place "Cherrydale Elementary". -Kevin --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Kevin Bell wrote: > > Anyone know who owns WCSZ 1070 AM in Greenville, > SC? > > WCSZ 1070 Is former AM Stereo WHYZ 1070. It is owned > by Tampa, FL based Tama > Broadcasting. > > Kevin in Fort Lauderdale > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Oct 02 19:01:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13555 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2006 01:56:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2006 01:56:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52204.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.127) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2006 01:56:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 73649 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Oct 2006 01:54:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20061003015412.73647.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.240] by web52204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:54:11 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:54:11 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20061003011144.58858.qmail@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.127 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=9j5HGg5nXaG3SuEY6E6v-Et5WTYQ0wsXop2G3b3XBNI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW The station is licensed to San Souci, and there is no such town. Don't know why. The guy that works on WDAB's stuff in Travelers Rest got the MW-50 going again. They'd been on the "night" transmitter a long time. I don't know if he got it up to 50 KW, but I can hear it again in Columbia. Hasn't been owned by the original black group in a long long time. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Oct 03 00:15:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26361 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2006 07:15:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2006 07:15:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s22.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.94) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2006 07:15:58 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.41]) by bay0-omc1-s22.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 3 Oct 2006 00:13:40 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 00:13:40 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 07:13:35 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 07:13:35 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2006 07:13:40.0511 (UTC) FILETIME=[73F162F0:01C6E6BB] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=j_KClwCJDGbfQ4esbL909fVHYutVaI17xm6EMsqzbmxdo_aW_Q9bpLDapC0 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Tama Radio Licenses of Tampa, Fl, Inc. is a black owned radio group, that operates WTMP am-1150 out of Tampa and WTMP fm 96.1 out of Spring Lake/Dade City, Florida. WTMP-1150 has been a black formatted and owned station in Tampa since the late 1940's and was a daytimer until around 1979 when they went to 24 hours a day. For the most part they are live and local and the fm is a relatively recent new addition that simulcasts the am in the area north of Tampa that the 1150 signal doesn't cover. Donn 25 miles s.w. of Tampa From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 AM Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:08:11 -0400 Kevin Bell wrote: >Anyone know who owns WCSZ 1070 AM in Greenville, SC? WCSZ 1070 Is former AM Stereo WHYZ 1070. It is owned by Tampa, FL based Tama Broadcasting. Kevin in Fort Lauderdale From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Oct 03 12:07:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18183 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2006 19:01:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2006 19:01:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.26) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2006 19:01:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 50633 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Oct 2006 18:58:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20061003185826.50631.qmail@web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.18.87] by web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 11:58:26 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:58:26 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20061003015412.73647.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=VSUgTn0FRQzak8DgzL8kR1MgmlUCEW8r2TQ0MtaQYnP0sd1B1vD2 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Powell, Yeah I wasn't sure if black folks still owned the station or not. I wonder if those folks are the ones who bought the 107.3 FM station and turned it into WJMZ which is about the same as the old WHYZ AM? I think it was around that era when WHYZ ceased to exist. Yeah I live near the area called sans souci. There is no town really. The neighbourhood was the forerunner to the now Greenville Country club way back in the 20s and 30s. It used to be Sans Souci Country Club. That was before they built hwy 253 throgh there, back when the old trolley used to go to town. I don't know if they considered it a township then or not. I would think it was more then when they thought that. WCSZ sits at the back end of Berea and near the back of Furman University. That is clearly not the sans souci area. Perhaps way way back the station was part of the old sans souci place, who knows. Would be interesting to find out the history on that station. It's studio's have always been tiny. They are in a single wide trailer. I just wish they'd go to AM Stereo, it's currently in mono. They just need to go to stereo, do some advertising, etc. I think more people would listen then. For one AM has mostly been talk radio here in the upstate for a long time. People keep telling me of all these little AM stations that play music but I can't pick up any on any radio I own. They must be really low power or else I am just sitting in a fringe location. Could be that. Anyway it's good to hear music back on the AM waves up here in Greenville. Actually the station sounds pretty good on a normal table top radio, just not on the stereo. Thats most likely because the woofers in the big tower speakers make it too muffeled. Anyway didn't know if anyone knew about this station going to oldies cause I had not seen any chatter about it. Yall take care. -Kevin Bell Greenville, SC --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > The station is licensed to San Souci, and there is > no > such town. Don't know why. > > The guy that works on WDAB's stuff in Travelers Rest > got the MW-50 going again. They'd been on the > "night" > transmitter a long time. I don't know if he got it > up > to 50 KW, but I can hear it again in Columbia. > > Hasn't been owned by the original black group in a > long long time. > > Powell > > w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com > NNNN! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Oct 03 12:07:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92322 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2006 19:05:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2006 19:05:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.28) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2006 19:05:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 57646 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Oct 2006 19:05:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20061003190547.57644.qmail@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.18.87] by web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 12:05:47 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 12:05:47 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=AwxO4tWry1Du5KzAFCETJJAABZ1YZQFfcsCKvkq1FsubJvT5L1Xi X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Donn, Oh ok so it is still a black owned group. I tell ya it would be nice if Bill Norman owned it because then those oldies would be in glorius AM Stereo! I really love Bill's station down in Myrtle Beach (WNMB). I was supposed to vacation down there this summer but I wasn't able because of my job. I still listen all that I can over the net because they play good music and have that community feel. I'm one of the few on this forum who is simply a listener, never worked in radio. Thought about it though since I love music and radio so much. I am only 32 but I'd love to be a DJ on an oldies station, I think I could bring some pazazz! Ha! I love that old school radio sound. I heard one of the DJ's over on WCSZ the other day introduce Sonny and Cher's "I got you babe" . He was like "and heres another great song....sonny and cher's "I got you babe!" so sing along kiddies with the bouncing ball!!" I about rolled, those bouncy balls on tv and film we used to sing with, it was a great nostalgic moment. It just sounded old school radio. Ahh I sure wish radio went back to those old days before the conglomerates! -Kevin Bell Greenville, SC --- Donn Tillman wrote: > Tama Radio Licenses of Tampa, Fl, Inc. is a black > owned radio group, that > operates WTMP am-1150 out of Tampa and WTMP fm 96.1 > out of Spring Lake/Dade > City, Florida. WTMP-1150 has been a black formatted > and owned station in > Tampa since the late 1940's and was a daytimer until > around 1979 when they > went to 24 hours a day. For the most part they are > live and local and the fm > is a relatively recent new addition that simulcasts > the am in the area north > of Tampa that the 1150 signal doesn't cover. > > Donn > 25 miles s.w. of Tampa > > > > > > > > > From: "Possum Hunter" > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > To: > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 AM > Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:08:11 -0400 > > Kevin Bell wrote: > >Anyone know who owns WCSZ 1070 AM in Greenville, > SC? > > WCSZ 1070 Is former AM Stereo WHYZ 1070. It is owned > by Tampa, FL based Tama > Broadcasting. > > Kevin in Fort Lauderdale > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Oct 03 15:09:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26565 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2006 22:09:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2006 22:09:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52003.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.86) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2006 22:09:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 52451 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Oct 2006 22:09:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20061003220927.52449.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web52003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:09:27 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 15:09:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20061003190547.57644.qmail@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: WSOS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=0thZqIojaZqx6blcWAAfEtfpT9tr7JcrLzBppnpnMGHX4NuirzRS X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I read that WSOS/1170-St. Augustine Beach, Fl. is silent. Can anyone confirm this? Thanks, Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue Oct 03 15:47:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+G47S+14+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79422 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2006 22:43:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2006 22:43:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2006 22:43:10 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.77]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 120144460 for ; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:39:35 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004101c6e73c$e2d4f8e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20061003185826.50631.qmail@web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:40:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 27, in=24, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.77 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=Tq3xkdPSkVBLMyMYvnrpRnk4-nNVQQscZ3mcMOr2-__9IuqgjHNm X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Kevin- have you paid a visit to the station? Maybe you could try out for part time DJ and/or sales position and then make your pitch for AM stereo. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" > It's studio's have always been tiny. They are in a > single wide trailer. I just wish they'd go to AM > Stereo, it's currently in mono. They just need to go > to stereo, do some advertising, etc. I think more > people would listen then. For one AM has mostly been > talk radio here in the upstate for a long time. From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Oct 03 17:17:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56326 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2006 00:17:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2006 00:17:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.31) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2006 00:17:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 66817 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Oct 2006 00:07:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20061004000704.66815.qmail@web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.18.87] by web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:07:03 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:07:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004101c6e73c$e2d4f8e0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=KGuyvkQPp6Te7JoaBI_rGrg5AqFtMR-FA4mesZrvw-JjVXvjtnGp X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Scott, Hehe well I've never worked in radio and I've been a graduate student the last couple years. Not sure if they want to train anyone! Course I have heard that is the way people get into radio, by sometimes begging "give me a chance!". I have only ran church sound and sound boards for the music department in school. I don't know what all would be required to get on the air? -Kevin --- Scott Todd wrote: > Kevin- have you paid a visit to the station? Maybe > you could try out for > part time DJ and/or sales position and then make > your pitch for AM stereo. > > Scott > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Bell" > > > It's studio's have always been tiny. They are in > a > > single wide trailer. I just wish they'd go to AM > > Stereo, it's currently in mono. They just need to > go > > to stereo, do some advertising, etc. I think more > > people would listen then. For one AM has mostly > been > > talk radio here in the upstate for a long time. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Oct 03 18:09:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67561 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2006 01:07:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2006 01:07:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s38.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.238) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2006 01:07:21 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.25]) by bay0-omc3-s38.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:07:11 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:07:11 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 01:07:09 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 01:07:09 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2006 01:07:11.0053 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B9E1FD0:01C6E751] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.238 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: RE: {AMSF} WSOS; St. Augustine, Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=he_TByTKIfqRlVOQ1LhZCdCuVAeZ9F78MmJZZlehcwAVKhzdy1I5a9CTeyE X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Jay, next time I go to my parents (should be in a week or two) I will take my loop antenna and Superadio III and see if I can get a signal, I might be too far away to tell. Normally I wouldn't be able to check, but the 1170 in Bushnell near my parents has been silent for about 2 weeks, so.... if the 1170 in Bushnell, Fl is still silent I will see what I can find out. I have noticed on Radio-locator many CP's for smaller am stations to reduce power and for one or two to even cease night time operations, I imagine the Mom and Pop stations are really feeling the financial crunch. Some are increasing daytime power and ceasing nighttime operations and two in the Sarasota area are increasing daytime power, but reducing nighttime power to under 25 watts. Donn st petersburg,fl From: JNR Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} WSOS Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 15:09:27 -0700 (PDT) I read that WSOS/1170-St. Augustine Beach, Fl. is silent. Can anyone confirm this? Thanks, Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Oct 03 22:07:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63070 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2006 05:07:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2006 05:07:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com) (207.115.20.70) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2006 05:07:28 -0000 X-ORBL: [75.19.176.165] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-75-19-176-165.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net [75.19.176.165]) by flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com (8.13.7 out spool5000 dk/8.13.7) with SMTP id k9452Ncp014232 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:02:23 -0700 Message-ID: <005901c6e772$5bcdcda0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <20061004000704.66815.qmail@web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 01:02:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0640-1, 10/03/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.20.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=tsV05ViJ500sh4aCPR2V808I71EE5ArKsPMhLrpI4S6uwzA X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Hehe well I've never worked in radio and I've been > a graduate student the last couple years. Not sure if > they want to train anyone! Course I have heard that > is the way people get into radio, by sometimes begging > "give me a chance!". I have only ran church sound and > sound boards for the music department in school. I > don't know what all would be required to get on the > air? > > -Kevin Kevin.... I have been in this business for over 30 years and the business has changed so much... especially over the past 10 years, that the things I learned in college and in the early years I spent learning the trade are pretty much worthless (except how to write a grammatically correct sentence but I can't remember that). 30 years ago nearly every radio station played music from vinyl discs. 20 years ago, nearly all radio stations played music from CD's. Commercials were played from tape cartridges that resembled old 8-Track carts. In the 70's, many radio stations put their music on carts too, to eliminate the pops/clicks of vinyl, and to add a degree of audio processing or to speed up the song, but when CD's became prevalent, most stations ditched their carted music and began playing CD's. In the mid 90's, computers with hard disc storage began to infiltrate the business, and in 1994 the station at which I worked, stopped playing commercials, jingles and sweepers from carts and instead stored them on the hard drive in the PC, for playback on the air. This system was called DigiLink. We replaced that system in 1996 with Enco's DAD (Digital Audio Delivery). Before we took delivery of the DAD system, the hard drives on the file server were sent to Bonneville, who loaded our entire music library on the hard drive. From that point on, we became fully digital. 30 years ago our production room contained a couple of reel-to-reel tape recorders (the bigger markets even had multi-track reel-to-reel machines), with a production music library and sound effects all stored on vinyl albums. We also had a splice block, splicing tape and grease pencils, but I digress. These days all production is done on a PC, using software like Adobe Audition, Pro Tools, SAW or one of many others. I work for a small group consisting of 1 AM and 3 FM's and as of about 2 years ago, we no longer have a single tape recorder/player of any kind in our building. Not even a cassette machine to record airchecks. Several months ago a client sent their jingles on a 7" reel and I had to bring it home (I still have a reel-to-reel machine), dub it into the PC and burn their jingles to a CD. In addition to the technical changes, the business model for radio has changed considerably. 30 years ago, most radio station in a market were owned by individuals who were "broadcasters". There were a few radio stations owned by others, such as General Tire Company owned RKO, which had 5 or 6 radio stations, but the vast majority of the radio stations in the US were owned by radio-people. And... while you might find an AM-FM combo running out of the same building, that was it because a single company could only own 1 AM and 1 FM in each market. These days, most of the stations in large markets are owned by large corporations. They operate "clusters", where a single building houses the studios for several radio stations. I didn't intend to provide so much detail, so let me end it by saying that so much has changed , especially in the last 10 years, that most of what I knew 20 years ago is pretty much worthless. You mention that you run a sound board at church... well that board is probably more complex than the one at your favorite radio station. Most air studios have a mixing console, a couple of PC's with keyboards and mouse(s), plus monitors and couple of mics. If you really want to be 'spinning the oldies', the most important skill you can possibly posses is being computer savvy. Sorry for being so long winded... -Jim- From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 04 03:30:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22714 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2006 10:30:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2006 10:30:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp114.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.213) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2006 10:30:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 25952 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2006 10:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jim8wpwl0kyh37) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@71.155.146.183 with login) by smtp114.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2006 10:29:50 -0000 Message-ID: <000801c6e7a0$06ab48b0$d50bfea9@jim8wpwl0kyh37> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 03:29:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: I need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=IbpLK6alibCwh59PAmP3Z1eSIApU3iRMVlx7e9nz9CyrS6RPJFuashJEe65zC3U3THnzArm_ X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I need some help on a chip i don't know if its a FM STEREO chip or a IF chip it looks kind of close to the FM side of the tuning bord. The chips # is 4409 055k kr its in a Pioneer SK 51. There is a lot more room for more stuff on the bord it kind of looks like the same stuff on another Pioneer radio but that one is clearly marked "AM STEREO".If i can't convert it i will ask some one that can. Thanks Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Oct 04 07:13:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51778 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2006 14:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2006 14:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2006 14:09:35 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.234.87.220.dial1.miami1.level3.net ([4.234.87.220] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GV7RE-0004cA-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 10:09:33 -0400 Message-ID: <035f01c6e7be$b902f8a0$dc57ea04@PossumHunter> To: References: <20061003015412.73647.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:38:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=9JJmJj4JXFgvyQWADAZsBE93ofYtPnXE_yE-ThsQ6nadkF5PooUoStS4jU34OQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > The station is licensed to San Souci, and there is no such town. Don't > know why. Another station licensed to a town that does not exist is WRIX, Homeland Park, SC. Homeland Park is the name of a Water District in the city of Anderson. Kevin in Fort Lauderdale From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Oct 04 07:15:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74795 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2006 14:15:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2006 14:15:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2006 14:15:02 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.234.87.220.dial1.miami1.level3.net ([4.234.87.220] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GV7RC-0004cA-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 10:09:31 -0400 Message-ID: <035e01c6e7be$b7d15670$dc57ea04@PossumHunter> To: References: <20061003011144.58858.qmail@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:31:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=2K7CpqaLMKRDD6N12EqUzmyEZs4wFAgLlipvv1TbS9P_cJeUUkP6ICBG3IUlrQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: > Is it still black owned? Yes, Tama is a Black owned media company. > >It says its in Sans Souci SC which is a misnomer because its actually in >Berea. In order to get night time, they changed the City Of License from Greenville to Sans Souci. They were then allowed to loosen the antenna pattern to cover their new COL. Kevin in Fort Lauderdale From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Oct 04 11:43:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85247 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2006 18:37:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2006 18:37:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.38) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2006 18:36:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 5440 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Oct 2006 18:36:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20061004183601.5438.qmail@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.18.87] by web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 11:36:01 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:36:01 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <005901c6e772$5bcdcda0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=pZrH9K47g-RcVvh3ox2Bx5E7EArMD3XlgTPXSvazLxepwGMx2zAU X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Jim, Hey I enjoyed the trip down memory lane though! I have reel to reel myself and record albums. Yes of course I own about 1,000 CD's as well but nothing like the old stuff. I love finding those websites that have old radio shows on MP3, they were so much more creative then than now. Computer Savvy I am. No degrees in it, just grew up with it. I'm 32 and had my first computer when I was 10 years old. My degree from Clemson is actually in Sociology. As far as computers I can build them, install the software, maintain them, etc. I've never run the software that you describe but I learn fast. Most things in computers are just repetitive. I can still work with the old stuff, still splice reel to reels, work with cassettes, any kind of tape really. We used to have reels in the church and cassettes. Today most of it is just recorded on CD but we still have the tape machines. The board I ran in church was a Mackie 24/4 and it was fun. Anyway thats enough about my skills, sounds like I might just be able to handle all that! -Kevin --- Jim Burgan wrote: > > Hehe well I've never worked in radio and I've > been > > a graduate student the last couple years. Not > sure if > > they want to train anyone! Course I have heard > that > > is the way people get into radio, by sometimes > begging > > "give me a chance!". I have only ran church sound > and > > sound boards for the music department in school. > I > > don't know what all would be required to get on > the > > air? > > > > -Kevin > > Kevin.... I have been in this business for over 30 > years and the business > has changed so much... especially over the past 10 > years, that the things I > learned in college and in the early years I spent > learning the trade are > pretty much worthless (except how to write a > grammatically correct sentence > but I can't remember that). > 30 years ago nearly every radio station played music > from vinyl discs. 20 > years ago, nearly all radio stations played music > from CD's. Commercials > were played from tape cartridges that resembled old > 8-Track carts. In the > 70's, many radio stations put their music on carts > too, to eliminate the > pops/clicks of vinyl, and to add a degree of audio > processing or to speed up > the song, but when CD's became prevalent, most > stations ditched their carted > music and began playing CD's. > In the mid 90's, computers with hard disc storage > began to infiltrate the > business, and in 1994 the station at which I worked, > stopped playing > commercials, jingles and sweepers from carts and > instead stored them on the > hard drive in the PC, for playback on the air. This > system was called > DigiLink. We replaced that system in 1996 with > Enco's DAD (Digital Audio > Delivery). Before we took delivery of the DAD > system, the hard drives on > the file server were sent to Bonneville, who loaded > our entire music library > on the hard drive. From that point on, we became > fully digital. > 30 years ago our production room contained a couple > of reel-to-reel tape > recorders (the bigger markets even had multi-track > reel-to-reel machines), > with a production music library and sound effects > all stored on vinyl > albums. > We also had a splice block, splicing tape and grease > pencils, but I digress. > These days all production is done on a PC, using > software like Adobe > Audition, Pro Tools, SAW or one of many others. > I work for a small group consisting of 1 AM and 3 > FM's and as of about 2 > years ago, we no longer have a single tape > recorder/player of any kind in > our building. > Not even a cassette machine to record airchecks. > Several months ago a client sent their jingles on a > 7" reel and I had to > bring it home (I still have a reel-to-reel machine), > dub it into the PC and > burn their jingles to a CD. > > In addition to the technical changes, the business > model for radio has > changed considerably. > 30 years ago, most radio station in a market were > owned by individuals who > were "broadcasters". There were a few radio > stations owned by others, such > as General Tire Company owned RKO, which had 5 or 6 > radio stations, but the > vast majority of the radio stations in the US were > owned by radio-people. > And... while you might find an AM-FM combo running > out of the same building, > that was it because a single company could only own > 1 AM and 1 FM in each > market. > > These days, most of the stations in large markets > are owned by large > corporations. They operate "clusters", where a > single building houses the > studios for several radio stations. > > I didn't intend to provide so much detail, so let me > end it by saying that > so much has changed , especially in the last 10 > years, that most of what I > knew 20 years ago is pretty much worthless. > You mention that you run a sound board at church... > well that board is > probably more complex than the one at your favorite > radio station. > Most air studios have a mixing console, a couple of > PC's with keyboards and > mouse(s), plus monitors and couple of mics. > If you really want to be 'spinning the oldies', the > most important skill you > can possibly posses is being computer savvy. > Sorry for being so long winded... > -Jim- > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Oct 04 11:55:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58553 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2006 18:40:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2006 18:40:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.29) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2006 18:40:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 67933 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Oct 2006 18:37:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20061004183726.67931.qmail@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.18.87] by web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 11:37:26 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:37:26 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <035f01c6e7be$b902f8a0$dc57ea04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=ZkZBAOQG2BuHdQNoH2zPJi-yG5xWtx7-QqBkZI8afNrlgWfPmXzW X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Ha! Yeah It actually might be part of the sewer district or something. Funny how all those laws work. -Kevin Bell --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > The station is licensed to San Souci, and there is > no such town. Don't > > know why. > > Another station licensed to a town that does not > exist is WRIX, Homeland > Park, SC. Homeland Park is the name of a Water > District in the city of > Anderson. > > Kevin in Fort Lauderdale > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Oct 04 16:50:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11402 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2006 23:50:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2006 23:50:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52204.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.127) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2006 23:50:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 71040 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Oct 2006 23:48:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20061004234801.71038.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.153] by web52204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 16:48:01 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:48:01 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <035e01c6e7be$b7d15670$dc57ea04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.127 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=D9sEh1p4LooedmyLAEGc8EVWizf0Au76Y-MIBn-5gkw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > In order to get night time, they changed the City Of > License from Greenville > to Sans Souci. They were then allowed to loosen the > antenna pattern to cover > their new COL. Ah. That explains that. There's an FM station licensed to St.Andrews....(Columbia) ! No such town and never was here. > Kevin in Fort Lauderdale What are you doing in Fort Lauderdale? Powell ( in West Columbia, SC for only a while longer..) w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Oct 04 18:39:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43770 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2006 01:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2006 01:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.40) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2006 01:39:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 63122 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Oct 2006 01:38:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20061005013824.63120.qmail@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.18.87] by web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:38:24 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:38:24 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20061004234801.71038.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=CVFvu4EkOL2DbVnLFUeirv781LFVJR5k1hrEzWPKp0KiAib2QcA9 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Rode by WCSZ today. It looks as though the station is automated. I saw no cars around that trailer that is their studios. It looked deserted. They haven't even changed the sign from "all sports all the time" to "oldies". I think it's just automated all the time. Ive heard those oldie shows like daves diner and others all the time. They do the station ID and it says "all oldies all the time" to make it sound as though someone is there but I think it's just automated with national oldie shows. -Kevin Bell Greenville, SC --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > > --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > > In order to get night time, they changed the City > Of > > License from Greenville > > to Sans Souci. They were then allowed to loosen > the > > antenna pattern to cover > > their new COL. > > Ah. That explains that. There's an FM station > licensed > to St.Andrews....(Columbia) ! No such town and never > was here. > > > > Kevin in Fort Lauderdale > > > What are you doing in Fort Lauderdale? > > > Powell ( in West Columbia, SC for only a while > longer..) > > > > > > w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com > NNNN! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Oct 05 17:53:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+FdzE+17+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64742 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2006 00:53:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2006 00:53:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2006 00:53:56 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.15]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 117668667 for ; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 19:50:21 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c6e8e1$7f2ed8a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20061005013824.63120.qmail@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:50:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 1, in=4, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.15 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=TvEMBdV_W3tnhzSCF77VhG9BNQm4x2Tr3PU84dGMxj8xeoCKsc97 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Just one of the modern tricks of the trade- the national jocks record liners and IDs for the various affiliates and email the files, or sometimes use some otherwise quiet time on the satellite to feed to the affiliates who record them and dump them into the system. That way they sound local even though they aren't. Scott Toddd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" > Rode by WCSZ today. It looks as though the station is > automated. I saw no cars around that trailer that is > their studios. It looked deserted. They haven't even > changed the sign from "all sports all the time" to > "oldies". I think it's just automated all the time. > Ive heard those oldie shows like daves diner and > others all the time. They do the station ID and it > says "all oldies all the time" to make it sound as > though someone is there but I think it's just > automated with national oldie shows. > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Oct 05 18:23:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+FdzE+17+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40220 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2006 01:22:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2006 01:22:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2006 01:22:40 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.15]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 117671641 for ; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:07:22 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <007a01c6e8e3$dfd905c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <000801c6e7a0$06ab48b0$d50bfea9@jim8wpwl0kyh37> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 20:08:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 1, in=5, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.15 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=SDnUl8MvwaaANJ0Pbs4zInSx85SNRSWFUxOKC7mKEFmyyElQmcUE X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I don't see a listing on that chip. Is that what's printed on the chip? Who is the manufacturer of the chip? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: > Hi Gang I need some help on a chip i don't know if its a FM STEREO chip or a IF chip it looks kind of close to the FM side of the tuning bord. The chips # is 4409 055k kr its in a Pioneer SK 51. There is a lot more room for more stuff on the bord it kind of looks like the same stuff on another Pioneer radio but that one is clearly marked "AM STEREO".If i can't convert it i will ask some one that can. Thanks Jim Smith From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Oct 05 18:49:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+FdzE+17+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99551 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2006 01:42:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2006 01:42:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2006 01:42:27 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.15]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 117675150 for ; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:31:06 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <008001c6e8e7$30737440$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <000801c6e7a0$06ab48b0$d50bfea9@jim8wpwl0kyh37> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 20:31:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 1, in=6, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.15 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=Wi5KyW1k75BW0exd3U35uGgN1yeWYR-CccJhNzOBdUCqIEmvsQ1P X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude There is an outfit that does have Pioneer manuals for sale here- http://www.manuals-in-pdf.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=Pioneer+SK51 and it costs less than $20. Maybe you can order it and find out for yourself what that chip does. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: > Hi Gang I need some help on a chip i don't know if its a FM STEREO chip or a IF chip it looks kind of close to the FM side of the tuning bord. The chips # is 4409 055k kr its in a Pioneer SK 51. There is a lot more room for more stuff on the bord it kind of looks like the same stuff on another Pioneer radio but that one is clearly marked "AM STEREO".If i can't convert it i will ask some one that can. Thanks Jim Smith From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Oct 05 22:29:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89385 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2006 05:29:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2006 05:29:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.172) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2006 05:29:09 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n5.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2006 05:27:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2006 05:27:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2006 05:27:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 05:27:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.75 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Digital RF Carrier Synthesis X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Ok4IlJRXMP7sgLQZRFrb4CUhLS3tB1ee9W-9MiW_ouoAWCDHVg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI AM STEREO FANS!!!!!!! Does somebody know some web link about how to generate a RF carrier=20 with a digital synthesis processor (as a PC cpu chip)? Thanks a lot!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 06 04:15:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20926 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2006 11:13:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2006 11:13:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.202) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2006 11:13:21 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n11.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2006 11:12:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2006 11:12:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2006 11:12:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 11:12:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008001c6e8e7$30737440$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.8.230.242 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: I need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=wRnx4FEM5f5uj9ALzaZt4NglV5ZSvliWKtpVkg2Uf6XAw5W2KyUoB7ouzkG7dg2AmWc0XD_1 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > There is an outfit that does have Pioneer manuals for sale here- > http://www.manuals-in-pdf.com/advanced_search_result.php? keywords=3DPioneer+SK51 > and it costs less than $20. >=20 > Maybe you can order it and find out for yourself what that chip=20 does. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > Hi Gang I need some help on a chip i don't know if its a FM=20 STEREO chip > or a IF chip it looks kind of close to the FM side of the tuning=20 bord. The > chips # is 4409 055k kr its in a Pioneer SK 51. There is a lot=20 more room > for more stuff on the bord it kind of looks like the same stuff on=20 another > Pioneer radio but that one is clearly marked "AM STEREO".If i can't=20 convert > it i will ask some one that can. Thanks Jim Smith > Hi Hi Scott I can't make out the simble on the top of the chip. I=20 can't get the manuals because i don't have a credit card. And to add=20 thats the only chip on the hole bord. Thanks Jim Smith From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Oct 07 07:26:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+Ob1a+18+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8258 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2006 14:26:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2006 14:26:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2006 14:26:46 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.70]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 120498372 for ; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 09:22:23 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <005501c6ea1c$1cafb960$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 09:23:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 14, in=10, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.70 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: I need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=J44nXvwbL2trl-Szr862gP9Hz5YXSZmho3jL1o9CzfxepwBHrky3 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Any chance you could pay your parents the cost of the manual and have them order it for you? Or I could if you want. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim smith" > Hi Hi Scott I can't make out the simble on the top of the chip. I > can't get the manuals because i don't have a credit card. And to add > thats the only chip on the hole bord. Thanks Jim Smith From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Oct 07 18:06:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+VouK+19+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41407 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2006 01:06:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2006 01:06:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2006 01:06:37 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.199]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 121303954 for ; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 20:06:11 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c6ea76$0ccc6480$d503fea9@stodd> To: Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:05:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.208.199 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: stereo on at WLS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=lVIYDLBRwO21Av03DKHhTRviQ6GMZP9VUklkV3wXsU_MTE020m3- X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I finally got my Mach 460 radio installed into my car* and was tuning around and noticed that WLS appeared to be in stereo. Can anyone confirm? If so, looks like Warren Shulz made good on his promise to make the night signal stereo again. In other news, the pilot is back on at WCTS, though no signs of real stereo. Scott Todd *everything works except the lights inside the radio. I suspect I need to add another ground terminal to the stock power connector. I do have a conversion procedure written up to submit. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 07 21:00:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29153 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2006 03:57:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2006 03:57:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.23) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2006 03:57:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2006 03:56:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2006 03:56:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 03:56:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002401c6ea76$0ccc6480$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.208.81.231 From: "Scott Higbee" Subject: Re: stereo on at WLS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=257511206; y=M6wl50CwOnpx4XcgvxDQQHIVfpHgRmVKS4EcEg4gP24t3ztce74zAsxaeQxVPqo3_OloXg X-Yahoo-Profile: labonte43nc --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: >=20=20 > I finally got my Mach 460 radio installed into my car* and was=20 tuning around and noticed that WLS appeared to be in stereo. Can=20 anyone confirm? If so, looks like Warren Shulz made good on his=20 promise to make the night signal stereo again.=20=20 >=20 > In other news, the pilot is back on at WCTS, though no signs of=20 real stereo. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > *everything works except the lights inside the radio. I suspect I=20 need to add another ground terminal to the stock power connector. I=20 do have a conversion procedure written up to submit. >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > With WCBS 880 being so strong this evening it is hard to tell. 890=20 AM is tripping the stereo indicator on the UX-1 and my Sparkomatic SR- 430. So hopefully the answer is YES. Scott Higbee Marne, Mi From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Oct 08 06:17:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3748 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2006 13:11:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2006 13:11:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52005.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.88) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2006 13:11:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 75313 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Oct 2006 13:10:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20061008131015.75311.qmail@web52005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.17.225.181] by web52005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 06:10:15 PDT Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 06:10:15 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: stereo on at WLS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=Uwo5iJD_aWl68Gxkya7AxhHSgPa4O_5T1ad1CIMvHLGKgcXgGzmv X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio WLS and CHML are in stereo. I've picked them up off of skywave. Sometimes WCBS comes in too strong to reliably receive WLS, but they are both transmitting in stereo, especially CHML. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jimbo@burgan.net Sun Oct 08 09:39:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98322 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2006 16:34:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2006 16:34:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flpi102.sbcis.sbc.com) (207.115.20.71) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2006 16:34:41 -0000 X-ORBL: [68.76.218.8] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-76-218-8.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.218.8]) by flpi102.sbcis.sbc.com (8.13.7 out spool5000 dk/8.13.7) with SMTP id k98GYnp9024020 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 09:34:49 -0700 Message-ID: <002301c6eaf7$a33e5230$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <20061008131015.75311.qmail@web52005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 12:34:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0640-6, 10/08/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.20.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: stereo on at WLS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=AI-toNrCUz3VvmedwGYwuJqEtvAK7bJNTj8OUID2irPt3Wo X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > WLS and CHML are in stereo. I've picked them up > off of skywave. Sometimes WCBS comes in too > strong to reliably receive WLS, but they are both > transmitting in stereo, especially CHML. Anyone know what's going on with IBOC at night? Will the FCC ever approve it? I have had my Alpine HD radio for a couple of months now and I'd rather listen to the narrowband analog signal than the horrible digital signal on AM. Does anyone know what codec Ibiquity is using? RealAudio encoded at a low bitrate sounds better than AM HD. All of the AM's I've heard sound this bad. WIBC & WNDE in Indianapolis, WHAS in Louisville, WLW in Cincinnati, WGN and WLS in Chicago and they all sound swishy/tinny. In addition, I have yet to hear an AM IBOC station that transmitted any stereo content. I know talk radio is a mono format, but they should put commercials and other content in stereo. Just my $ .02 -Jim- From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 08 14:32:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9686 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2006 21:28:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2006 21:28:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.23) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2006 21:28:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2006 21:28:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2006 21:28:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 21:28:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005501c6ea1c$1cafb960$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.26.23.56 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: I need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=BwhWXJArbSgOWTde4ifDelDpazpNY217EmrU0qPZKknSPahhnPrA7ISb1wpI1V8sefEoDDCj X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > Any chance you could pay your parents the cost of the manual and have=20 them > order it for you? Or I could if you want. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "jim smith" >=20 > > Hi Hi Scott I can't make out the simble on the top of the chip. I > > can't get the manuals because i don't have a credit card. And to add > > thats the only chip on the hole bord. Thanks Jim Smith > Hi Scott My perents are long gone now i am 42 years old. So i gess i=20 will haft to figer some thing out. Jim Smith From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Oct 08 21:03:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95030 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2006 04:03:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2006 04:03:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2006 04:03:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 42422 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Oct 2006 04:02:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20061009040247.42420.qmail@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.240.134.122] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 21:02:47 PDT Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 21:02:47 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: stereo on at WLS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=-ZYkz3pjd7Yi2xRdLRUXLSM-TshtdXkGVg_1lEHNJAaXL_NWfDv2WYk X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I tuned-into WLS one night last week, and they were indeed in stereo on 890! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tomray@wor710.com Mon Oct 09 10:01:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27514 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2006 16:54:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2006 16:54:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.25) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2006 16:54:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2006 16:52:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2006 16:52:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 16:52:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002301c6eaf7$a33e5230$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: stereo on at WLS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=4-PXogCRoUov1ckZ4vyVltEEOT8nSrEzfMy9Dmugrg3N5pJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: >=20 > Anyone know what's going on with IBOC at night? > Will the FCC ever approve it? [TR] My sources tell me that as soon as the public service questions for the additional FM channels are settled, it's going to happen.=20 Before anyone gets on their high horse with disparaging remarks, this came from two legal eagles close to the Commission and very reliable. They haven't steered me wrong in over 20 years. > I have had my Alpine HD radio for a couple of months now and I'd rather=20 > listen to the narrowband analog signal than the horrible digital signal on=20 > AM. [TR] Don't know what's going on with these stations, but we don't have these issues with the WOR-HD signal. > Does anyone know what codec Ibiquity is using? [TR] It's a modified version of AAC-Plus. > RealAudio encoded at a low bitrate sounds better than AM HD. [TR] I wouldn't go that far. RealAudio sounds pretty raunchy to me at any bitrate. > All of the AM's I've heard sound this bad. WIBC & WNDE in Indianapolis,=20 > WHAS in Louisville, WLW in Cincinnati, WGN and WLS in Chicago and they all=20 > sound swishy/tinny. [TR] Just a thought, but it could be processing related. > In addition, I have yet to hear an AM IBOC station that transmitted any=20 > stereo content. [TR] WOR has been transmitting stereo content for almost 3 years now. All of our music bumpers are in stereo. A good 90% of spots are in stereo. All in house production is in stereo...and our production director has been doing things like pan effects in his promos. We started in stereo from a mono facility that we modified to produce stereo, before we moved into a new all digital home. > I know talk radio is a mono format, but they should put commercials and=20 > other content in stereo. [TR] You're right. Depending on the facility, though, sometimes it takes a while. Tom Ray WOR, NYC From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Oct 09 10:35:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70457 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2006 17:27:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2006 17:27:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s6.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.78) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2006 17:27:31 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.39]) by bay0-omc1-s6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 9 Oct 2006 10:20:57 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 10:20:57 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 17:20:52 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 17:20:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2006 17:20:57.0453 (UTC) FILETIME=[488801D0:01C6EBC7] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.78 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Happy Thanksgiving Monday, from British Columbia to Nova Scotia/PEI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=Z0yNdHmhewjPfWcNofm2m-bxMdWaQhV5Gj-2w8IOnjAiwEqIv3nOWaHiNaY X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo and points in between. http://www.postcards.org/go/postcards/pickup/a66-willow-attics-am Donn From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Oct 09 11:22:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9309 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2006 18:03:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2006 18:03:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52010.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.93) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2006 18:03:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 88639 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Oct 2006 18:03:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20061009180330.88637.qmail@web52010.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web52010.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 11:03:30 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 11:03:30 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.93 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: RE: {AMSF} WSOS; St. Augustine, Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=6a13H7GMJevmrfJk8ABRgIh4Ko6iaEpVKUZQ3E5kevPZPR6udwO0 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Don, Thanks for the update. I wonder if that website that said WSOS was off the air was mistaken and it really was WKFL. Thanks, Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Oct 09 18:05:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42064 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2006 01:01:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2006 01:01:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s41.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.177) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2006 01:01:05 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.250.85]) by bay0-omc2-s41.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 9 Oct 2006 18:00:40 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 18:00:40 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 70.89.96.158 by BAY115-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 01:00:37 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20061004234801.71038.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 21:00:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2006 01:00:40.0069 (UTC) FILETIME=[810D3350:01C6EC07] Return-Path: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=UGvqDCID0aL6X3KilPzmenqqAaVaLas-jbyWAl8bxggq45hoKPXvNLOCOECh5g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > What are you doing in Fort Lauderdale? Being a Beach Bum Kevin in Fort Lauderdale From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Oct 09 18:12:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50430 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2006 01:04:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2006 01:04:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s4.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.204) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2006 01:04:08 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.250.91]) by bay0-omc3-s4.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 9 Oct 2006 18:00:52 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 18:00:52 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 70.89.96.158 by BAY115-DAV19.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 01:00:50 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 21:00:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2006 01:00:52.0093 (UTC) FILETIME=[8837EAD0:01C6EC07] Return-Path: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: stereo on at WLS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=ekLsHHTcqqdKHiYCMhnjGQJhx2I9b0PomRyduRg_zuV7QMr2Q3WvfpAE2Q-rzw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: > [TR] Don't know what's going on with these stations, but we don't have > these issues with the WOR-HD signal. The HD signals I have heard live in Florida sound horrible on both AM and FM. Since WOR has solved this problem, perhaps a music format competing with WQXR would be in order to show off the High Fidelity of AM HD-Radio? > > [TR] I wouldn't go that far. RealAudio sounds pretty raunchy to me at any > bitrate. Agreed! Kevin in Fort Lauderdale From jimbo@burgan.net Mon Oct 09 20:41:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31410 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2006 03:40:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2006 03:40:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flpi102.sbcis.sbc.com) (207.115.20.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2006 03:40:05 -0000 X-ORBL: [68.76.218.8] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-76-218-8.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.218.8]) by flpi102.sbcis.sbc.com (8.13.7 out spool5000 dk/8.13.7) with SMTP id k9A3e8EB031912 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 20:40:08 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c6ec1d$bfec50e0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 23:39:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0641-0, 10/10/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.20.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: stereo on at WLS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=mqkN28FTiWLMzxo9xhUl5CvcVuty_beL7PAroTuE8sHu-Kw X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >> Tom Ray wrote: >> [TR] Don't know what's going on with these stations, but we don't have >> these issues with the WOR-HD signal. > The HD signals I have heard live in Florida sound horrible on both AM and > FM. Since WOR has solved this problem, perhaps a music format competing > with > WQXR would be in order to show off the High Fidelity of AM HD-Radio? >> [TR] I wouldn't go that far. RealAudio sounds pretty raunchy to me at >> any >> bitrate. > > Agreed! > > Kevin in Fort Lauderdale I agree that Real Audio's codecs sound bad, but so does Ibiquity's AM codec. I have listened (with regularity) to WLW, WNDE, WIBC and WHAS and they all sound the same. Swishing artifacting and tinny audio. All mono content doesn't help matters any either. The FM isn't nearly as bad. Back to AM... In the best case scenario, WLW in Cincinnati since they have the best facilities, plant and ground conductivity, I can hear their analog signal pretty-much interference free up to about 70-80 miles from their stick in Mason Ohio. The IBOC signal is OK up to about 40 miles.. after that it starts dropping out and reverting back to analog, only to switch back when the analog signal clear up. It's usually around noisy power lines. The static from the powerlines kills the IBOC carrier, so the radio defaults back to analog just in time to hear those noisy power lines. WIBC and WHAS are even worse. Their usable IBOC range is about 30 miles form the stick. And WNDE is a joke (5kw DAN)... about 10 miles. IBOC will only be relevant on 50KW AM stations. Tom.... please tell me there is more. I invested $500 on the Alpine radio in my car, and $300 in the Boston Acoustics in my house and I've learned that the practical range for IBOC on FM is about 65% of the range of the analog signal... And I've learned that the same noised that caused interference in AM cause AM-IBOC to drop back to analog, where you hear that same static. The only positive thing I've seen so far are the secondary music channels on FM. FM audio quality is no better and AM audio quality, while having more high end has codec issues. This is what our industry is betting the future on??? From norbert_1226@msn.com Wed Oct 11 04:42:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: norbert_1226@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91282 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2006 11:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2006 11:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s32.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.232) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2006 11:39:57 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.9.19]) by bay0-omc3-s32.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 04:39:32 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 04:39:31 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.4 by BAY119-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:39:29 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [norbert_1226@msn.com] X-Sender: norbert_1226@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:39:29 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2006 11:39:31.0710 (UTC) FILETIME=[EAE731E0:01C6ED29] Return-Path: norbert_1226@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Norbert Here" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: stereo on at WLS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=273767829; y=5ERe0m7dDYNpo9FBdqyZUYivu6515HMG9PP0T4Guzo9gOE_astvm9rLthA X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And why IBOC / HD radio on AM for TALK ??? If the stations are not going to play music why bother. If it was reception problems in office buildings a FM HD-2 or HD-3 stream could have been used OR online streaming. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Burgan Sent: Monday, October 9, 2006 11:39 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: stereo on at WLS? >> Tom Ray wrote: >> [TR] Don't know what's going on with these stations, but we don't have >> these issues with the WOR-HD signal. > The HD signals I have heard live in Florida sound horrible on both AM and > FM. Since WOR has solved this problem, perhaps a music format competing > with > WQXR would be in order to show off the High Fidelity of AM HD-Radio? >> [TR] I wouldn't go that far. RealAudio sounds pretty raunchy to me at >> any >> bitrate. > > Agreed! > > Kevin in Fort Lauderdale I agree that Real Audio's codecs sound bad, but so does Ibiquity's AM codec. I have listened (with regularity) to WLW, WNDE, WIBC and WHAS and they all sound the same. Swishing artifacting and tinny audio. All mono content doesn't help matters any either. The FM isn't nearly as bad. Back to AM... In the best case scenario, WLW in Cincinnati since they have the best facilities, plant and ground conductivity, I can hear their analog signal pretty-much interference free up to about 70-80 miles from their stick in Mason Ohio. The IBOC signal is OK up to about 40 miles.. after that it starts dropping out and reverting back to analog, only to switch back when the analog signal clear up. It's usually around noisy power lines. The static from the powerlines kills the IBOC carrier, so the radio defaults back to analog just in time to hear those noisy power lines. WIBC and WHAS are even worse. Their usable IBOC range is about 30 miles form the stick. And WNDE is a joke (5kw DAN)... about 10 miles. IBOC will only be relevant on 50KW AM stations. Tom.... please tell me there is more. I invested $500 on the Alpine radio in my car, and $300 in the Boston Acoustics in my house and I've learned that the practical range for IBOC on FM is about 65% of the range of the analog signal... And I've learned that the same noised that caused interference in AM cause AM-IBOC to drop back to analog, where you hear that same static. The only positive thing I've seen so far are the secondary music channels on FM. FM audio quality is no better and AM audio quality, while having more high end has codec issues. This is what our industry is betting the future on??? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Oct 11 07:29:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52256 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2006 14:23:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2006 14:23:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com) (207.115.20.70) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2006 14:23:50 -0000 X-ORBL: [68.76.218.8] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-76-218-8.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.218.8]) by flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com (8.13.7 out spool5000 dk/8.13.7) with SMTP id k9BEJGcB012182 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 07:19:17 -0700 Message-ID: <002101c6ed40$53ddea20$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:19:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0641-2, 10/10/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.20.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: stereo on at WLS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=w1_YjkGR9Xc-qPEyZjgMkqCdjqCXV2JAAbOwefBYLvyxE3E X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > And why IBOC / HD radio on AM for TALK ??? If the stations are > not going to play music why bother. If it was reception problems in > office buildings a FM HD-2 or HD-3 stream could have been used > OR online streaming. IBOC isn't going to help solve reception problems one bit. As I stated earlier, if you are anywhere where you can't get a clear analog signal, you ain't gonna get a clear IBOC signal either. When I dive under power lines that normally affect analog, my HD radio reverts back to analog and I still hear the power line noise. There may be buffering and error correction to eliminate short busts of static, but overall, if conditions aren't favorable for analog, they aren't going to be good for digital, which always reverts back to analog when the digital signal isn't robust enough to provide service. Again... none of the HD station I can hear are transmitting any stereo content, so Unless I move to New York so I can hear WOR's commercials, jingles and liners in stereo, there is absolutely no benefit to switching to HD whosoever. From mrcomment@yahoo.com Wed Oct 11 18:11:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mrcomment@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31754 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2006 01:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2006 01:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2006 01:04:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2006 01:03:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2006 01:03:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 01:03:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.139.201.94 From: "mrcomment" Subject: Re: stereo on at WLS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193606338; y=JUItZziAP8aJWIiB1q-oKvVLWkNz20csWJKPY5cOuFVNX6pz X-Yahoo-Profile: mrcomment >=20 > > Does anyone know what codec Ibiquity is using? >=20 > [TR] It's a modified version of AAC-Plus. >=20 > > RealAudio encoded at a low bitrate sounds better than AM HD. >=20 > [TR] I wouldn't go that far. RealAudio sounds pretty raunchy to me=20 at > any bitrate. >=20 No, it is not aacPlus or a modified aacPlus. It uses SBR for high- frequencies which aacPlus also uses, but the core codec is different.=20=20 Anyone who has listened to the two codecs can tell you aacPlus sounds=20 better especially at the lower bit rates but at the higher bit rates=20 too. Basically, the codec is a dead end but IMO so is AM IBOC. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Oct 11 21:54:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41441 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2006 04:48:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2006 04:48:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2006 04:48:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2006 04:48:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2006 04:48:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 04:48:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.224.143 From: "Kevin T." Subject: 45,000,000 C-Quam chipsets X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=2JqnBzMrM9lcOKGAXKSjpz7maWnAtWzUH4hgwni-a9YPHZgG7A X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics According to this... http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermail/broadcast/2006-October/040224.h tml ...Motorola has sold more than 45 million C-Quam AM Stereo decoder=20 chipsets to date. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Oct 11 22:04:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99000 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2006 04:58:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2006 04:58:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.197) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2006 04:58:16 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n6.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2006 04:58:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2006 04:58:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2006 04:57:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 04:57:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.250.43.101 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Make that 50,000,000+ C-Quam chipsets... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=x_bbMJCaXv70VNSsUSfBBTPJeagB4LbaIYgiyZFE0Z46_hs-rg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics More info from a former Motorola employee. The 45 million number is=20 only from 1985 to 1999, so I'd guess a total of at least 50 to 55=20 million since the beginning of C-Quam chip production. http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermail/broadcast/2006-October/040230.h tml He also states that at AM Stereo's peak, 1500 stations in the USA and=20 Canada were using C-Quam. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Oct 11 22:40:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65286 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2006 05:37:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2006 05:37:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.215) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2006 05:37:01 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n24.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2006 05:37:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2006 05:37:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2006 05:37:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 05:37:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.44 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Make that 50,000,000+ C-Quam chipsets... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=p8flMEbmxfJ7ha5lZsKALpEt4RMJUuZTaqNx8ncOUSyL2RKdDA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > More info from a former Motorola employee. The 45 million number is=20 > only from 1985 to 1999, so I'd guess a total of at least 50 to 55=20 > million since the beginning of C-Quam chip production. >=20 > http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermail/broadcast/2006-October/040230.h > tml >=20 > He also states that at AM Stereo's peak, 1500 stations in the USA and=20 > Canada were using C-Quam. > But the world is more vast than USA and Canada. Sony sold a lot of BETAMAX. Where are they now? DOLBY sold a lot, a very great lot, of Magnetic Tape Noise Reduction=20 systems but the real professionals never liked it and leave to use it=20 before the digital age. I knew a lot of sold units of DATs and MDs but... Are they use now? The numbers are big, but it doesn't mean "a better product". GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Oct 12 17:25:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80742 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2006 00:22:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2006 00:22:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52214.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.137) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2006 00:22:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 45636 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2006 00:21:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20061013002135.45634.qmail@web52214.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.6] by web52214.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:21:35 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:21:35 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Make that 50,000,000+ C-Quam chipsets... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=xsav5dMfLgsILjOVJCGLUMqWahrC8QNXzCDGOzaVrJ4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jotape1960 wrote: > I knew a lot of sold units of DATs and MDs but... > Are they use now? DAT no, MD yes. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Oct 13 05:36:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72615 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2006 12:31:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2006 12:31:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.163) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2006 12:31:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 98967 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2006 12:31:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20061013123103.98965.qmail@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 05:31:03 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 05:31:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: Make that 50,000,000+ C-Quam chipsets... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=JkxtP8MUjjMX0P2gaMkFQsk5CzV2_SaSVPbsckNB13kcoe4NyYZTRmg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Even if you take the worst case that only 10% still work, that's still 5 million C-Quam AM Stereo units in operation!! Regarding DAT & MD, our local PBS FM station group has 2 DATs in both studios, the live performance studio, and in the production room although they are not used that much, other than when recording live performances. They still have 2 reel to reel, and two brand new turntables which are used for a locally-produced Saturday night Jazz show which I've been in studio for a couple of times. Minidisc are still very much in use by both CC & Cumulus for live recording, and for recording 'blips' while 'interviewing' the public for news or for promos in my area. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Oct 13 13:30:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66612 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2006 20:26:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2006 20:26:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.166) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2006 20:26:34 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.20]) by bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:26:09 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:26:08 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:26:06 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Bcc: Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:26:06 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2006 20:26:08.0932 (UTC) FILETIME=[D1242640:01C6EF05] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: re-creation of WKKO - 860 Cocoa Beach,FL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=qY_YYVqcLsDPh40J4x2AnZEkOF0-9A5niwJZclUUl3OtY24VwsYTWZqHY44 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo For those of you with access to XM, they are now playing a re-creation of WKKO, Cocoa Beach, which servied the space coast, from just south of Daytona Beach south to Palm Bay and Micco, Florida. (and of course the areas in between i.e. Merritt Island, Cape Cananveral, Titusville, Cocoa etc.) They've mentioned Ron-Jon's Surf shop, which is still in existance, even though WKKO - 860 isn't. Donn From jimbo@burgan.net Fri Oct 13 14:21:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12972 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2006 21:18:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2006 21:18:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO qmix.com) (209.43.120.44) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2006 21:18:50 -0000 Received: from jburgan (host-69-95-183-85.ind.choiceone.net [69.95.183.85]) by qmix.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k9DLIev19724 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:18:40 -0500 Message-ID: <002d01c6ef0d$27333b00$9a0110ac@jburgan> To: References: Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:18:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 209.43.120.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} re-creation of WKKO - 860 Cocoa Beach,FL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=9hHyABzXTj1xaeCEmyLIpSPAPMm2u2N_2XYroBSKnyN6WI4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > For those of you with access to XM, they are now playing a re-creation of > WKKO, Cocoa Beach, which servied the space coast, from just south of > Daytona > Beach south to Palm Bay and Micco, Florida. (and of course the areas in > between i.e. Merritt Island, Cape Cananveral, Titusville, Cocoa etc.) > > They've mentioned Ron-Jon's Surf shop, which is still in existance, even > though WKKO - 860 isn't. I spent two years at WKKO.. 1974-75. I have most of their PAMS jingles, but would love to hear their presentation. I don't have XM but if someone would record a bit of it, I would be deeply in their debt. -Jim- From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Oct 13 14:49:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90199 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2006 21:47:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2006 21:47:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.127) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2006 21:47:37 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.60] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2006 21:46:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by s4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2006 21:46:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2006 21:46:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:46:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20061013123103.98965.qmail@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.127 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.15 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Make that 50,000,000+ C-Quam chipsets... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=siOH0jrSE1s6gVG90zmzqG6_3Ml9ANmhJfhiVnC_ONdnD8Togw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > Even if you take the worst case that only 10% still work, that's=20 still 5 > million C-Quam AM Stereo units in operation!! >=20 > Regarding DAT & MD, our local PBS FM station group has 2 DATs in=20 both studios, > the live performance studio, and in the production room although=20 they are not > used that much, other than when recording live performances. They=20 still have 2 > reel to reel, and two brand new turntables which are used for a > locally-produced Saturday night Jazz show which I've been in studio=20 for a > couple of times. > Minidisc are still very much in use by both CC & Cumulus for live=20 recording, > and for recording 'blips' while 'interviewing' the public for news=20 or for > promos in my area. >=20 Thanks a lot for your comments!!! Here, in Chile, MDs are often used by small stations (as a fast=20 interchange media between different studios) but nobody uses DATs=20 today, only CDs (as a permanent recording media). I used reel to reel system for more than 25 years and I still wonder=20 if the today digital audio systems sound really better than it=20 (despite the noise and editing affairs, of course). I have a doubt about C-QUAM: Which is the target to phase modulated=20 the carrier with a "complex signal" (L-R in quadrature with L+R) if=20 then the limiter eliminates all the L+R components? Is it only a=20 trick to be not the same as Magnavox? What would happen if we=20 eliminate the L+R component of that "complex signal"? In the other=20 side, Can a normal C-QUAM AM Stereo receiver have a good performance=20 while tuning a Magnavox exciter station? Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Oct 15 18:40:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42180 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2006 01:36:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2006 01:36:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.210) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2006 01:36:04 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2006 01:33:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2006 01:33:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2006 01:33:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 01:33:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.250.43.101 From: "Kevin T." Subject: CRL manuals now available online X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=0whUyQy2G8hfJ2iuztFKvDBjf18bfSqNTJQCoi0MrVWJPjDlwA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This is great for those of you with CRL AM Stereo audio processors --=20 owner's manuals, including schematics, for all of CRL's popular=20 products are available online in PDF format from Orban/CRL's FTP=20 site: ftp://ftp.orban.com/CRL/ From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Oct 17 18:25:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99993 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2006 01:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2006 01:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s34.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.170) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2006 01:22:25 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.17]) by bay0-omc2-s34.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 18:22:15 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 18:22:15 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 01:22:13 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 01:22:13 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2006 01:22:15.0335 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8651B70:01C6F253] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: XM does the Motor Cities BIG 8(00) CKLW this Friday X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=GvOBT8BPFm06i82mW4JW-Tu4-nXn0dtmC-PETmwDX0zZ-XjyvTd-Xqw7Euk X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo I was wondering if and when XM was ever going to re-create CKLW Windsor/Detroit and they are going to do CKLW this Friday (the 20th) between 4 - 9 Eastern Daylight Time. This will bring back many memories for me, CKLW was certainly a great station.(of course, now they are a talker, can't have too many talk stations!) Donn From jimsmith@vfr.net Tue Oct 17 20:04:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70825 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2006 03:02:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2006 03:02:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2006 03:02:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2006 03:01:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2006 03:01:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:01:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.26.20.24 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: XM does the Motor Cities BIG 8(00) CKLW this Friday X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=84oPVjq888GXloJ4ihrtcVhTIHvNmC332qouKdxruycU1Z9Gp1KwpQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman"=20 wrote: > > I was wondering if and when XM was ever going to re-create CKLW=20 > Windsor/Detroit and they are going to do CKLW this Friday (the 20th)=20 > between 4 - 9 Eastern Daylight Time. >=20 > This will bring back many memories for me, CKLW was certainly a great=20 > station.(of course, now they are a talker, can't have too many talk=20 > stations!) >=20 > Donn > Hi Gang I am wondering when thay mite be doing the west cost like KHJ=20 AM 930 KFRC THE BIG 610 and so on. Jim Smith From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Oct 17 20:26:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16629 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2006 03:22:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2006 03:22:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2006 03:22:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2006 03:20:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2006 03:20:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:20:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.99.80.69 From: "florida_amsstereo" Subject: Re: XM does the Motor Cities BIG 8(00) CKLW this Friday X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=dUcKZ1IK5u2uqnI55-94MOXwyu-OSlUa0odQDlkIfVX14MUotD3KToOzrGo X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Hi Jim, If I'm not mistaken, I believe XM has done KHJ at least once, maybe=20 twice. I'll let you know next time it's going to be on, sometimes,=20 I don't know until Friday, they don't always seems to promote in=20 advance more than a day or two and it's not always included in their=20 website and the current week's programming. Donn --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95663" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman"=20 > wrote: > > > > I was wondering if and when XM was ever going to re-create CKLW=20 > > Windsor/Detroit and they are going to do CKLW this Friday (the=20 20th)=20 > > between 4 - 9 Eastern Daylight Time. > >=20 > > This will bring back many memories for me, CKLW was certainly a=20 great=20 > > station.(of course, now they are a talker, can't have too many=20 talk=20 > > stations!) > >=20 > > Donn > > > Hi Gang I am wondering when thay mite be doing the west cost like=20 KHJ=20 > AM 930 KFRC THE BIG 610 and so on. Jim Smith > From jimsmith@vfr.net Tue Oct 17 22:51:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95975 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2006 05:50:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2006 05:50:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2006 05:50:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n15.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2006 05:50:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2006 05:50:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 05:50:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.19.157.155 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: XM does the Motor Cities BIG 8(00) CKLW this Friday X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=Qtr03n8v_dyME9Nxo6JjMJWgFXcUp8oDmn7L3RyPLkjmlZBcW5cTSA X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "florida_amsstereo"=20 wrote: > > Hi Jim, >=20 > If I'm not mistaken, I believe XM has done KHJ at least once, maybe=20 > twice. I'll let you know next time it's going to be on, sometimes,=20 > I don't know until Friday, they don't always seems to promote in=20 > advance more than a day or two and it's not always included in=20 their=20 > website and the current week's programming. >=20 > Donn >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95663" =20 > wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman"=20 > > wrote: > > > > > > I was wondering if and when XM was ever going to re-create CKLW=20 > > > Windsor/Detroit and they are going to do CKLW this Friday (the=20 > 20th)=20 > > > between 4 - 9 Eastern Daylight Time. > > >=20 > > > This will bring back many memories for me, CKLW was certainly a=20 > great=20 > > > station.(of course, now they are a talker, can't have too many=20 > talk=20 > > > stations!) > > >=20 > > > Donn > > > > > Hi Gang I am wondering when thay mite be doing the west cost=20 like=20 > KHJ=20 > > AM 930 KFRC THE BIG 610 and so on. Jim Smith > > > Hi Is there any good AM STEREO stations in your area? I don'thave XM=20 some i would not hearing anything any way. Jim Smith From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Oct 18 04:36:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35241 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2006 11:36:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2006 11:36:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2006 11:36:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2006 11:35:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2006 11:35:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:35:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.26 From: "jotape1960" Subject: XM radio system X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=fFYatLek-uFGrNwimGCbo_jW3kYFPK8-7hsWU_e6yg-k1JoNrg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI EVERYONE!!! My modest opinion about XM system and any other paid system is just=20 one: IT ISN'T RADIO, IT'S A CABLE!!! The essence of radio is the free access. Where is the free access if I=20 must to pay to listen? Knowing the risk to be considered as a complete idiot because my=20 opinion, it's my opinion (and I think there're others thinking like me). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Oct 18 05:23:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26119 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2006 12:21:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2006 12:21:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.163) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2006 12:21:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 28011 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Oct 2006 12:20:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20061018122049.28009.qmail@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 05:20:49 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 05:20:49 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: XM does the Motor Cities BIG 8(00) CKLW this Friday X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=VtLan0CoqUX186b0FbaLfC9Uliu-2NuaB3QQs7FXKpkmQg4Gy49kkxM X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I should have sent them an off-air recording of The Big8 broadcasting in (Harris) AM Stereo !!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Oct 18 05:47:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25256 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2006 12:44:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2006 12:44:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2006 12:44:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2006 12:44:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2006 12:44:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:44:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.99.80.69 From: "florida_amsstereo" Subject: Re: XM radio system X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=6JDdWumwZVtA0JnchFLHA-VTlxL0-CDwO7bzf5_KzOTM58H9qryvhhbeNo4 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Hi Juan, I do not disagree with you and several years ago, I would have never=20 considered satellite radio, since our air waves are supposed to=20 belong to the public. Notice I said our air waves are supposed to belong to the public,=20 sadly they don't; our air waves belong to corporations with horrible=20 programming and tons of commercials. 25 years ago, people were saying that people would never sign on to=20 cable in mass numbers, since there was free tv via the airwaves, but=20 in this country now, over 90 percent have cable or satellite and pay=20 anywhere from $35 to 100 per month for their cable or satellite. I don't have cable myself, since I'm don't watch more than 5 - 7=20 hours of TV a week and I get 13 channels with just rabbit ears; if I=20 get an outdoor antenna, I could get about another 3 or 4 stations=20 during the day, that now I mainly recieve just a night and those 13=20 I get day and night are more than enough. (one or two I wouldn't watch, even if they were the only stations on=20 the air, I'm not into informercials) So, the bottom line is, if you want to listen to decent programming,=20 with no or fewer commercials, you either have to move to a market=20 that is not dominated by the big corporations (and those are mostly=20 rural markets, none in Florida) or you can just stop listening to=20 the poor choices on terrestrial radio or you can get satellite radio. That's just the way it is.... sad but true. The big corporations, ClearChannel, CBS, etc are killing the goose=20 that laid the golden egg and listeners are way down on their list. I do listen to XM on my radios as the unit I have has a built in fm=20 modulator, so that I can pick up the XM on my clock radio, my GE=20 Superadio III and any other radio or stereo set up in the house. Oh, one other thing, I love to listen to BBC and occasionally VOA=20 and since both have more or less eliminated their short wave=20 programming, I am forced to listen to the BBC on XM (for a while BBC=20 was still beaming toward the Bahamas and I could pick that up=20 readily, but now the BBC doesn't even beam to the Bahamas) and VOA I=20 have to listen to on the internet. And to the folks that say that satellite radio isn't live and local;=20 I have a newsflash for them, neighter is AM radio in this market,=20 unless you count morning drive time on 2 stations out of 40 plus and=20 much of that is filler from the networks or entertainment news and=20 frankly, the latest on Tom Cruise, Mel Gibson etc is not my idea of=20 live and local. FM is getting as bad, many just relay satellite=20 programming , are voice tracked or going to national syndicated talk=20 formats. Hopefully for your sake, radio is Chile is not as horrible. Donn, St Petersburg,FL USA amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > HI EVERYONE!!! >=20 > My modest opinion about XM system and any other paid system is=20 just=20 > one: IT ISN'T RADIO, IT'S A CABLE!!! >=20 > The essence of radio is the free access. Where is the free access=20 if I=20 > must to pay to listen? >=20 > Knowing the risk to be considered as a complete idiot because my=20 > opinion, it's my opinion (and I think there're others thinking=20 like me). >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Oct 18 05:50:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10275 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2006 12:50:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2006 12:50:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s19.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.219) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2006 12:50:28 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.11]) by bay0-omc3-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 05:49:21 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 05:49:21 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:49:16 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:49:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2006 12:49:21.0086 (UTC) FILETIME=[D4DB7DE0:01C6F2B3] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.219 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: XM does the Motor Cities BIG 8(00) CKLW this Friday X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=4Py_co-ejvMnGMcZiMMYWmtBFOGaz9jM7XhPtS8argQmAw9KNdDx2-z1Hn4 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Hi John, I would still send or offer them the airchecks in Harris AM stereo; it's probably too late for Friday (unless you Fed-X it and they still have time to insert it , but XM will certainly re-create CKLW in another several months, some of the stations seems to replayed every 4 to 5 months, so I suspect after the first of the year, they will be doing the Big 8 again. Donn --------------------------------------------------- From: "John P." Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: XM does the Motor Cities BIG 8(00) CKLW this Friday Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 05:20:49 -0700 (PDT) I should have sent them an off-air recording of The Big8 broadcasting in (Harris) AM Stereo !!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From amfmdx@qwest.net Wed Oct 18 07:26:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@qwest.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92528 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2006 14:19:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2006 14:19:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net) (63.231.195.116) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2006 14:19:54 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-10.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-10.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.10]) by mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id 5C2C762D587 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:19:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-174-223.phnx.qwest.net (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (130.13.174.223) by mpls-pop-10.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 18 Oct 2006 14:19:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:19:49 -0700 Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Originating-IP: 63.231.195.116 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "kevin redding" Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM radio system X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=264393189; y=kCoyVjNr64cKrqs--FinUGG7FwgvaUGxpZkW8te6cA2mg7gatg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > My modest opinion about XM system and any other paid system is just > one: IT ISN'T RADIO, IT'S A CABLE!!! Its a miracle. I love it because I can hear music that I NEVER hear on the over the air radio. Its worth every penny. I love XM so much that I very rarely listen to terrestrial radio anymore. I doubt terrestrial radio will get me back as a listener any time soon since I enjoy XM so much. I am sure Sirius subscribers feel the same. Juan, you would have to be in Los Estados Unidos to understand. If you heard the misery that terrestrial radio is compared with satellite radio, you would hate terrestrial radio. The way I see it, I am paying the cost of one ad a month to keep my music channels free from advertisements on XM. It's worth the money. Kevin From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Oct 18 10:04:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42423 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2006 17:00:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2006 17:00:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2006 17:00:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 9943 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Oct 2006 16:07:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20061018160752.9941.qmail@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Received: from [74.226.197.158] by web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:07:52 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:07:52 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM radio system X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=izj6q-DZbKKFBwo0bzeclqJLKLf-H9XIENuM3Usg8UBtdCuWxvlA X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I enjoy XM as well BUT my major problem is sound quality. Some of the channels on XM do not have as much high end and clarity as a local FM station that is coming in good. The problem is they try to throw too many channels on those satellites. The way I understand it the more channels they have there is a decrease in the quality due to limited bandwith. At least thats how one DJ from XM described it. Some stations on XM sound better than others. Just remember though it is like other fm stations these days in that music is compressed on computers. XM uses MP2 , not MP3, compression techniques. That is what Phlash Phelps from 60s on 6 told me. -Kevin --- kevin redding wrote: > > My modest opinion about XM system and any other > paid system is just > > one: IT ISN'T RADIO, IT'S A CABLE!!! > > Its a miracle. > > I love it because I can hear music that I NEVER hear > on the over the > air radio. Its worth every penny. I love XM so much > that I very > rarely listen to terrestrial radio anymore. I doubt > terrestrial radio > will get me back as a listener any time soon since I > enjoy XM so much. > > I am sure Sirius subscribers feel the same. > > Juan, you would have to be in Los Estados Unidos to > understand. If > you heard the misery that terrestrial radio is > compared with > satellite radio, you would hate terrestrial radio. > The way I see it, > I am paying the cost of one ad a month to keep my > music channels > free from advertisements on XM. > > It's worth the money. > > Kevin > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From amfmdx@qwest.net Wed Oct 18 10:40:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@qwest.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90906 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2006 17:36:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2006 17:36:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net) (63.231.195.112) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2006 17:36:32 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-01.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-01.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.1]) by mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id 99AA21AA277 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:35:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-174-223.phnx.qwest.net (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (130.13.174.223) by mpls-pop-01.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 18 Oct 2006 17:35:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:35:13 -0700 Message-Id: <1EA42E23-5B75-4E8D-B4CF-30EA854D9EAB@qwest.net> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20061018160752.9941.qmail@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <20061018160752.9941.qmail@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Originating-IP: 63.231.195.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "kevin redding" Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM radio system X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=264393189; y=9LwL_kULQexZ0kUZs_95dXZT_CAToX8NVcKEK1ZvfqFDLdsrgA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Oct 18, 2006, at 9:07 AM, Kevin Bell wrote: > I enjoy XM as well BUT my major problem is sound > quality. In about a year and a half when XM can toss off all the Clear Channel stuff, they will go back to sounding spectacular as they did in the beginning. XM lost a lawsuit to CCU and they had to add a lot of their stations for a two year period. After that they no longer have to carry Clear Channel. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Oct 18 11:18:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33576 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2006 18:16:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2006 18:16:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52215.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.138) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2006 18:16:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 18909 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Oct 2006 18:09:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20061018180955.18907.qmail@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.232.195.224] by web52215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:09:55 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:09:55 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM radio system X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Kt7cSpRxuBBp4mZPbttztCVG-PhuI4_wWD3GNDMbl5U X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jotape1960 wrote: > HI EVERYONE!!! > > My modest opinion about XM system and any other paid > system is just > one: IT ISN'T RADIO, IT'S A CABLE!!! Tht is correct. It's a paid satellite MUSIC PAID service. But I like 78. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Oct 18 17:14:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49286 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2006 00:11:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2006 00:11:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.221) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2006 00:11:11 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.43]) by bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:08:47 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:08:46 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 00:08:44 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 00:08:44 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2006 00:08:46.0895 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF2C4BF0:01C6F312] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: RE: {AMSF} XM radio system X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=5rjAXfEaFk7cxTIWBH2t2vjVn7pXJkGjTiFvxXvqmDQK3y1uAF3u6xmXN_g X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo One other point, all listeners pay one way or another even for "free radio", in the U.S. listeners pay with having to put up with endless commercials and horrible programming (for the most part). In some countries (i.e. the UK), listeners pay a user fee or tax on each radio and television bought/registered. With XM, I can turn on my radio and get the programming directly from the satellite (Sirius and XM both have over 66 commercial free channels) or I can turn on the same radio and listen to the "local" am or fm deliver their satellite feed with commercials, as fewer and fewer stations are live and local more than 3 or 4 hours a day, if that. I really regret it has come to that, but with most stations are owned by large corporations that are out to make big profits as opposed to using the public airwaves to serve the public, that's how it is. There are some notable exceptions such as WNMB in North Myrtle Beach, NC and WWBF , Bartow, FL and both broadcast in AM stereo; their owners take pride in their product and love radio and their local communities. Regrettably I can't receive any station like this from where I live. (WBF I can receive outdoors with a loop antenna, but even then I'm on the extreme fringe of their 1130 frequency and I also have to contend with a local religious station at 1100 that tends to interfere with WBF.) For people on this list in Mulberry, Lakeland, Highland City, Bartow and Winter, give WBF 1130 AM stereo a try if you haven't already. About the only time I listen to terrestrial radio anymore, is to to dx and that's getting more difficult to do, since most stations barely identify themselves any longer (other than near the top of the hour) and you hear little or no local news, weather, or even time checks to give a clue as to where the station is broadcasting from. Donn, in a am stereo free zone but on a glut of corporate sub-mediocre programmed stations ----Original Message Follows---- From: "jotape1960" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} XM radio system Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:35:15 -0000 HI EVERYONE!!! My modest opinion about XM system and any other paid system is just one: IT ISN'T RADIO, IT'S A CABLE!!! The essence of radio is the free access. Where is the free access if I must to pay to listen? Knowing the risk to be considered as a complete idiot because my opinion, it's my opinion (and I think there're others thinking like me). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Oct 18 18:28:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87910 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2006 01:08:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2006 01:08:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s40.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.176) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2006 01:08:14 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.250.75]) by bay0-omc2-s40.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:08:11 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:08:10 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 70.89.96.158 by BAY115-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 01:08:08 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:08:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2006 01:08:10.0467 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B3A3B30:01C6F31B] Return-Path: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.176 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM radio system X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=yxFqmWRJRdks4reDa1hDRMQCs-wHhd9PWzq_xa6SJhjV9zogAHUzCZTuDmqfTQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Donn Tillman wrote: >Regrettably I can't receive any station like this from where I live. Here in Fort Lauderdale, Radio is much better than Tampa. Here I can get several of the stations in the Bahamas on AM and FM as well as several pirates with GREAT programming! Check out http://www.lynksfm.com/ Kevin in Fort Lauderdale From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Oct 19 13:52:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20989 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2006 20:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2006 20:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2006 20:48:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 46678 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Oct 2006 20:47:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20061019204720.46676.qmail@web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [60.234.212.159] by web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:47:20 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:47:20 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.87 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Michael and Ross Subject: xm X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915; y=WMw6geOOJ1Pb1DAqPeeMGV-r5CczgtIPdWcdg-TRUycB6Fql9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this is so foriegn to us downunder,never heard an iota of it Messages In This Digest (10 Messages) 1a. XM radio system From: jotape1960 1b. Re: XM radio system From: florida_amsstereo 1c. Re: XM radio system From: kevin redding 1d. Re: XM radio system From: Kevin Bell 1e. Re: XM radio system From: kevin redding 1f. Re: XM radio system From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW 1g. Re: XM radio system From: Donn Tillman 1h. Re: XM radio system From: Possum Hunter 2a. Re: XM does the Motor Cities BIG 8(00) CKLW this Friday From: John P. 2b. Re: XM does the Motor Cities BIG 8(00) CKLW this Friday From: Donn Tillman Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Oct 19 14:48:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24948 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2006 21:43:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2006 21:43:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2006 21:43:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2006 21:43:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2006 21:43:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:43:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.90 From: "jotape1960" Subject: XM or What kind of radio we want X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Jle1fdb2k-dJAYH22js6vqmx8Mii69QSmvXuvncE2jj_cvAFdg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI RADIO FANS!!!!!!! Knowing the risk to be treated as a complete idiot, I wanna write a=20 lines, my opinion about... THE RADIO. I think RADIO must be THE MEDIA to promote the AUDITORY ARTS,=20 understanding the word ART as any culture or people expression. As MUSIC, CONVERSATION, SPORTS, NEWS, POLITIC and RELIGION are=20 culture expressions, in other words: ARTS, radio can/must transmit=20 all, of some, of them. The problem is: CRITERION, hard word to define, I think. How much music? How much conversation? How much sports? How much=20 news? How much politic? How much religion? In other words: What kind=20 of radio we want? I think the problem would be so simple if we only think on the=20 previous question, BUT... Unfortunately, there is an aditional=20 problem we must to see: MONEY!!! MONEY spoils any human activity, including the radio, of course. So,=20 unfortunately, the most radio owners are "economists", "they want=20 money, babe". So, radio always is an hybrid experiment, or the very=20 bad crossbreeding, between the "artistic media" and the "economist=20 media". And, again, unfortunately, the economists always win the battle!!! So, if somebody thinks the XM Satellital Radio System is the best=20 solution... is wrong, so wrong!!!!!!! Pay to listen what I want to=20 listen is the same to say: "we want artistic radio, without=20 economists, but we will pay to leave out the economists!!!" Is there some solution? I don't know. Does somebody know? Here, in Chile, we can to listen 15 minutes of good music and 15=20 minutes of commercials per any half hour of programation, during the=20 morning and, sometimes, the afternoon, in most AM and FM terrestrial=20 free wave radio stations, such a bore! We can listen only music at=20 night, very good music! Why? because radio is still the most=20 important commercial media during the daytime, in Chile. But at=20 night, TV win the commercial battle so, so far away. I don't know if the chilean case is similar in other countries. Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Oct 19 14:55:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57265 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2006 21:52:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2006 21:52:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.221) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2006 21:52:06 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.38]) by bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:50:47 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:50:47 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:50:42 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:50:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2006 21:50:47.0730 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2D1B920:01C6F3C8] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: RE: {AMSF} xm X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=QRUm14vZA0A4KrEDVDbUYPnZRuUaOY72yPw0Cb-som4rHG9WXZJHaJW_N_w X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Hi Michael, I guess this could be boring to anyone not in Canada or the U.S. Both Sirius and XM are available only in Canada and the lower 48 states; it's not receivable in Hawaii; although I've heard it is receivable in extreme south east Alaska. Western Europe has a separate satellite radio service and the odds are that Australian and New Zealand will probably have some form of satellite radio service in the future. Donn St Petersburg,FL btw- if you want to know more about XM the website is: http://www.xmradio.com or http://www.xmradio.ca ----Original Message Follows---- From: Michael and Ross Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} xm Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:47:20 -0700 (PDT) this is so foriegn to us downunder,never heard an iota of it Messages In This Digest (10 Messages) 1a. XM radio system From: jotape1960 1b. Re: XM radio system From: florida_amsstereo 1c. Re: XM radio system From: kevin redding 1d. Re: XM radio system From: Kevin Bell 1e. Re: XM radio system From: kevin redding 1f. Re: XM radio system From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW 1g. Re: XM radio system From: Donn Tillman 1h. Re: XM radio system From: Possum Hunter 2a. Re: XM does the Motor Cities BIG 8(00) CKLW this Friday From: John P. 2b. Re: XM does the Motor Cities BIG 8(00) CKLW this Friday From: Donn Tillman From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Oct 20 05:50:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83005 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2006 12:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2006 12:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.152) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2006 12:45:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 16415 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Oct 2006 12:45:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20061020124502.16413.qmail@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 05:45:02 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 05:45:02 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: xm X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=mbCKecVPOiat6AMy1q5m_7ZtbCQYtTswze239TaBTo4IrrYUm5gI-4U X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio For those on the list outside North America, you can sign-up for a 3-day free trial of XM (or Sirius) Satellite Radio in an online version (many but not all stations are found in the online version). If you like the "Billboard Countdown" shows (or Cashbox in the UK?) I highly recommend "American Top 40" with Casey Kasem which is on at NOON Eastern (New York) time (GMT - 5 hours) on Saturday (local date) on XM channel 7. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Oct 20 08:48:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77985 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2006 15:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2006 15:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s6.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.206) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2006 15:44:24 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.44]) by bay0-omc3-s6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:43:25 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:43:25 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:43:21 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:43:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2006 15:43:25.0595 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B1896B0:01C6F45E] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM radio system X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=oarlOGWl5OHCP9oSYVRBjznbBVJue582Qhy4N6N9RuQuXhi1Di0NUyblZdk X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Hi Kevin, The times I've crossed the state, I've listened to the stations out of the Bahamas, especially the AM 810. If you're within 3 or 4 miles of the coast then the AM stations come in really well with the skip over the water. The area I'm referring to is between Ft Pierce to Jupiter. So basically if you're lucky enough to receive foreign stations (i.e. Bahamas or Canada) then your listening options are certainly better than just having to depend on the U.S. stations. Being 25 miles s.w. of Tampa, I am on the cusp of the Sarasota/Bradenton market and just within the last few weeks, 1450AM out of Sarasota has gone to "Music of Your Life", but it is in mono, before ClearChannel bought the former WSPB 1450, they were running a classical music format in AM stereo in the mid 1990's' . Even though their tower is 29 miles south of here, due to the skip over the water (Tampa Bay) I can receive them fairly well during the day, but the nighttime reception is poor with all the nighttime interference). They are voice tracked though, but at least it's music on the AM band. 1590-WRXB - St Pete Beach is urban contemporary (no hip hop) and gospel and they are live and local, then of course, there are music stations in Spanish 590(Cuba),640(Cuba)680(St Petersburg), 760(Brandon), 820(Largo), 1180(Cuba), 1300(Tampa), 1420(Palmetto-just recently switched from Gospel to Spanish) and 1550(Tampa). All in mono, of course. In addition to the Bahamas, you have WJNA 640, which is in mono, but at least music and it manages to override the Cuban 640 on much of the s.e. coast and up until about 18 months ago, 1360AM was classical music, now it is political/religious talk. Donn, still listening to XM more than terrestrial. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM radio system Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:08:10 -0400 Donn Tillman wrote: >Regrettably I can't receive any station like this from where I live. Here in Fort Lauderdale, Radio is much better than Tampa. Here I can get several of the stations in the Bahamas on AM and FM as well as several pirates with GREAT programming! Check out http://www.lynksfm.com/ Kevin in Fort Lauderdale From bob_welch550@yahoo.com Fri Oct 20 12:48:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bob_welch550@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20750 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2006 19:42:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2006 19:42:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2006 19:42:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2006 19:42:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2006 19:42:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:42:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.72.98.82 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: XM radio system X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213592090; y=V2p_dBiE0IJWHnkzF92lKliws2SBrWiMjiUkaNSxEZ9_NsI_rzaD X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "florida_amsstereo"=20 wrote: I know people who, because of some of the messed-up market area=20 definitions in those in-between areas in the New England States.=20=20 People will create a bogus service address for their Direct-TV/ DISH=20 Net. system so they can watch the "local" network stations they=20 always could, either by over-the-air or on cable. I'm talking those=20 fuzzy areas between Portland, Maine and Burlington, Vermont...=20 Places like Northern New Hampshire... People on the west side of the=20 White Mountains who want to watch a station in Portland.. along with=20 a station in Burlington. I know it's slightly off topic. However=20 it is something people are doing in the more sparsely populated=20 areas of said Designated Market Areas. For those, who miss the CBC=20 when some cable companies in Northern New England yank that...=20 well... they'll take it one step further and order a Canadian mini- dish. These things happen. I'm told some streets in Florida (I've=20 never been in Florida), but, I'm told... some of the streets in some=20 sections of that state are lined with nothing but Canadian satellite=20 dishes. Bob @ WDEV-Waterbury, VT > > Hi Juan, >=20 > I do not disagree with you and several years ago, I would have=20 never=20 > considered satellite radio, since our air waves are supposed to=20 > belong to the public. >=20 > Notice I said our air waves are supposed to belong to the public,=20 > sadly they don't; our air waves belong to corporations with=20 horrible=20 > programming and tons of commercials. >=20 > 25 years ago, people were saying that people would never sign on=20 to=20 > cable in mass numbers, since there was free tv via the airwaves,=20 but=20 > in this country now, over 90 percent have cable or satellite and=20 pay=20 > anywhere from $35 to 100 per month for their cable or satellite. >=20 > I don't have cable myself, since I'm don't watch more than 5 - 7=20 > hours of TV a week and I get 13 channels with just rabbit ears; if=20 I=20 > get an outdoor antenna, I could get about another 3 or 4 stations=20 > during the day, that now I mainly recieve just a night and those=20 13=20 > I get day and night are more than enough. > (one or two I wouldn't watch, even if they were the only stations=20 on=20 > the air, I'm not into informercials) >=20 > So, the bottom line is, if you want to listen to decent=20 programming,=20 > with no or fewer commercials, you either have to move to a market=20 > that is not dominated by the big corporations (and those are=20 mostly=20 > rural markets, none in Florida) or you can just stop listening to=20 > the poor choices on terrestrial radio or you can get satellite=20 radio. >=20 > That's just the way it is.... sad but true. >=20 > The big corporations, ClearChannel, CBS, etc are killing the goose=20 > that laid the golden egg and listeners are way down on their list. >=20 > I do listen to XM on my radios as the unit I have has a built in=20 fm=20 > modulator, so that I can pick up the XM on my clock radio, my GE=20 > Superadio III and any other radio or stereo set up in the house. >=20 > Oh, one other thing, I love to listen to BBC and occasionally VOA=20 > and since both have more or less eliminated their short wave=20 > programming, I am forced to listen to the BBC on XM (for a while=20 BBC=20 > was still beaming toward the Bahamas and I could pick that up=20 > readily, but now the BBC doesn't even beam to the Bahamas) and VOA=20 I=20 > have to listen to on the internet. >=20 > And to the folks that say that satellite radio isn't live and=20 local;=20 > I have a newsflash for them, neighter is AM radio in this market,=20 > unless you count morning drive time on 2 stations out of 40 plus=20 and=20 > much of that is filler from the networks or entertainment news and=20 > frankly, the latest on Tom Cruise, Mel Gibson etc is not my idea=20 of=20 > live and local. FM is getting as bad, many just relay satellite=20 > programming , are voice tracked or going to national syndicated=20 talk=20 > formats. >=20 > Hopefully for your sake, radio is Chile is not as horrible. >=20 > Donn, > St Petersburg,FL USA >=20 > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > > > HI EVERYONE!!! > >=20 > > My modest opinion about XM system and any other paid system is=20 > just=20 > > one: IT ISN'T RADIO, IT'S A CABLE!!! > >=20 > > The essence of radio is the free access. Where is the free=20 access=20 > if I=20 > > must to pay to listen? > >=20 > > Knowing the risk to be considered as a complete idiot because my=20 > > opinion, it's my opinion (and I think there're others thinking=20 > like me). > >=20 > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > >=20 > >=20 > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > > From castellano105@yahoo.com Fri Oct 20 13:00:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21504 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2006 19:54:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2006 19:54:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60225.mail.yahoo.com) (209.73.178.113) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2006 19:54:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 42383 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Oct 2006 19:52:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20061020195243.42381.qmail@web60225.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.34.130.19] by web60225.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:52:43 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:52:43 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 209.73.178.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Francisco Guzman Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM or What kind of radio we want X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758; y=hPzlXs43A5LmhBpB3kk98Vqe3fO1RoOHk61n-tCgSzmAYDCPS5wMAg X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 XM is pay Radio, not Free Radio. If Analog AM Mono or AM STEREO is Kaput,and IBOC AM Stereo is not the answer. Then free Radio is dead --- jotape1960 wrote: > HI RADIO FANS!!!!!!! > > Knowing the risk to be treated as a complete idiot, > I wanna write a > lines, my opinion about... THE RADIO. > > I think RADIO must be THE MEDIA to promote the > AUDITORY ARTS, > understanding the word ART as any culture or people > expression. > > As MUSIC, CONVERSATION, SPORTS, NEWS, POLITIC and > RELIGION are > culture expressions, in other words: ARTS, radio > can/must transmit > all, of some, of them. > > The problem is: CRITERION, hard word to define, I > think. > > How much music? How much conversation? How much > sports? How much > news? How much politic? How much religion? In other > words: What kind > of radio we want? > > I think the problem would be so simple if we only > think on the > previous question, BUT... Unfortunately, there is an > aditional > problem we must to see: MONEY!!! > > MONEY spoils any human activity, including the > radio, of course. So, > unfortunately, the most radio owners are > "economists", "they want > money, babe". So, radio always is an hybrid > experiment, or the very > bad crossbreeding, between the "artistic media" and > the "economist > media". > > And, again, unfortunately, the economists always win > the battle!!! > > So, if somebody thinks the XM Satellital Radio > System is the best > solution... is wrong, so wrong!!!!!!! Pay to listen > what I want to > listen is the same to say: "we want artistic radio, > without > economists, but we will pay to leave out the > economists!!!" > > Is there some solution? I don't know. Does somebody > know? > > Here, in Chile, we can to listen 15 minutes of good > music and 15 > minutes of commercials per any half hour of > programation, during the > morning and, sometimes, the afternoon, in most AM > and FM terrestrial > free wave radio stations, such a bore! We can listen > only music at > night, very good music! Why? because radio is still > the most > important commercial media during the daytime, in > Chile. But at > night, TV win the commercial battle so, so far away. > > I don't know if the chilean case is similar in other > countries. > > Thanks for your time!!! > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love > > > Franciscoguzman@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From norbert_1226@msn.com Fri Oct 20 16:29:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: norbert_1226@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90824 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2006 23:25:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2006 23:25:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s12.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.148) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2006 23:25:23 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.9.23]) by bay0-omc2-s12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:20:22 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:20:22 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.5 by BAY119-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:20:18 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [norbert_1226@msn.com] X-Sender: norbert_1226@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:20:18 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2006 23:20:22.0151 (UTC) FILETIME=[50A30970:01C6F49E] Return-Path: norbert_1226@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Norbert Here" Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM or What kind of radio we want X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=273767829; y=jj8MhhVwhJpW04XkaIZajZ9pESWSC42Dq1xbd_b65oPeVz9rF9e-O07yww X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree very strongly. For this reason i also subscribe to XM . -----Original Message----- From: Francisco Guzman Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 3:52 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM or What kind of radio we want XM is pay Radio, not Free Radio. If Analog AM Mono or AM STEREO is Kaput,and IBOC AM Stereo is not the answer. Then free Radio is dead --- jotape1960 wrote: > HI RADIO FANS!!!!!!! > > Knowing the risk to be treated as a complete idiot, > I wanna write a > lines, my opinion about... THE RADIO. > > I think RADIO must be THE MEDIA to promote the > AUDITORY ARTS, > understanding the word ART as any culture or people > expression. > > As MUSIC, CONVERSATION, SPORTS, NEWS, POLITIC and > RELIGION are > culture expressions, in other words: ARTS, radio > can/must transmit > all, of some, of them. > > The problem is: CRITERION, hard word to define, I > think. > > How much music? How much conversation? How much > sports? How much > news? How much politic? How much religion? In other > words: What kind > of radio we want? > > I think the problem would be so simple if we only > think on the > previous question, BUT... Unfortunately, there is an > aditional > problem we must to see: MONEY!!! > > MONEY spoils any human activity, including the > radio, of course. So, > unfortunately, the most radio owners are > "economists", "they want > money, babe". So, radio always is an hybrid > experiment, or the very > bad crossbreeding, between the "artistic media" and > the "economist > media". > > And, again, unfortunately, the economists always win > the battle!!! > > So, if somebody thinks the XM Satellital Radio > System is the best > solution... is wrong, so wrong!!!!!!! Pay to listen > what I want to > listen is the same to say: "we want artistic radio, > without > economists, but we will pay to leave out the > economists!!!" > > Is there some solution? I don't know. Does somebody > know? > > Here, in Chile, we can to listen 15 minutes of good > music and 15 > minutes of commercials per any half hour of > programation, during the > morning and, sometimes, the afternoon, in most AM > and FM terrestrial > free wave radio stations, such a bore! We can listen > only music at > night, very good music! Why? because radio is still > the most > important commercial media during the daytime, in > Chile. But at > night, TV win the commercial battle so, so far away. > > I don't know if the chilean case is similar in other > countries. > > Thanks for your time!!! > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic, Chile, South America, with love > > > Franciscoguzman@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Oct 20 19:49:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15926 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2006 02:49:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2006 02:49:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2006 02:49:46 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.107]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 122050906 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:44:36 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <006f01c6f4b2$a429d9c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:45:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.107 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM or What kind of radio we want X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=aA80wjsoPoeO_k7uZlJtudAm8pFdfWU9eQ6se_AoPpjVtleUcUJz X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Excuse me, señor, but we have a saying up here that's sometimes abbreviated TANSTAAFL- there ain't no such thing as a free lunch. At some point money HAS TO enter the equation. There are the subscription satellite services previously mentioned. Government broadcasting takes it by force, also known as taxation; public and many religious broadcasters have their sharathons, sometimes derisively referred to as begathons, though most public broadcasters get a healthy government subsidy as well; all others sell commercial or block time, unless it's a pirate station, and even then there has to be some sort of income stream to pay for equipment, if nothing else. Where things went wrong is the media megacorporations bought them strictly as an investment and wanted a high return on it. I'm not sure how we totally get away from that, considering most people in the US own stock either directly, or indirectly through their retirement plans and they want a decent rate of return. Even so, no matter how much you love broadcasting, if it doesn't pay the bills you won't be on the air for long. The solution is to make it profitable enough to keep the station on and at least a few people employed, but not be so profit driven that it has to be totally automated or satellite fed and wring every last dime from it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" I think the problem would be so simple if we only think on the previous question, BUT... Unfortunately, there is an aditional problem we must to see: MONEY!!! MONEY spoils any human activity, including the radio, of course. So, unfortunately, the most radio owners are "economists", "they want money, babe". So, radio always is an hybrid experiment, or the very bad crossbreeding, between the "artistic media" and the "economist media". And, again, unfortunately, the economists always win the battle!!! From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Oct 20 19:56:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70099 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2006 02:55:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2006 02:55:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.28) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2006 02:55:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 60459 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Oct 2006 02:54:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20061021025421.60457.qmail@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Received: from [74.226.218.100] by web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:54:21 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:54:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM or What kind of radio we want X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=nExBobvIGEkHOWrRg6Y-bnJgsN7eXfqj9QdNlkH8twMAFNjvVd4H X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke With a few exceptions such as WNMB in myrtle beach south carolina AM and FM radio are nothing more than fancy advertisement mediums. There is barely any music on them anymore. Theres more talk, commecials, and bullshit I don't waste my time listening to. To add to it no one on am or fm have any personality or pizazz. For this reason I also Subscribe to XM. -Kevin Bell South Carolina --- Norbert Here wrote: > I agree very strongly. For this reason i also > subscribe to XM . > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Francisco Guzman > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 3:52 PM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM or What kind of radio we want > > XM is pay Radio, not Free Radio. If Analog AM Mono > or > AM STEREO is Kaput,and IBOC AM Stereo is not the > answer. Then free Radio is dead > > --- jotape1960 wrote: > > > HI RADIO FANS!!!!!!! > > > > Knowing the risk to be treated as a complete > idiot, > > I wanna write a > > lines, my opinion about... THE RADIO. > > > > I think RADIO must be THE MEDIA to promote the > > AUDITORY ARTS, > > understanding the word ART as any culture or > people > > expression. > > > > As MUSIC, CONVERSATION, SPORTS, NEWS, POLITIC and > > RELIGION are > > culture expressions, in other words: ARTS, radio > > can/must transmit > > all, of some, of them. > > > > The problem is: CRITERION, hard word to define, I > > think. > > > > How much music? How much conversation? How much > > sports? How much > > news? How much politic? How much religion? In > other > > words: What kind > > of radio we want? > > > > I think the problem would be so simple if we only > > think on the > > previous question, BUT... Unfortunately, there is > an > > aditional > > problem we must to see: MONEY!!! > > > > MONEY spoils any human activity, including the > > radio, of course. So, > > unfortunately, the most radio owners are > > "economists", "they want > > money, babe". So, radio always is an hybrid > > experiment, or the very > > bad crossbreeding, between the "artistic media" > and > > the "economist > > media". > > > > And, again, unfortunately, the economists always > win > > the battle!!! > > > > So, if somebody thinks the XM Satellital Radio > > System is the best > > solution... is wrong, so wrong!!!!!!! Pay to > listen > > what I want to > > listen is the same to say: "we want artistic > radio, > > without > > economists, but we will pay to leave out the > > economists!!!" > > > > Is there some solution? I don't know. Does > somebody > > know? > > > > Here, in Chile, we can to listen 15 minutes of > good > > music and 15 > > minutes of commercials per any half hour of > > programation, during the > > morning and, sometimes, the afternoon, in most AM > > and FM terrestrial > > free wave radio stations, such a bore! We can > listen > > only music at > > night, very good music! Why? because radio is > still > > the most > > important commercial media during the daytime, in > > Chile. But at > > night, TV win the commercial battle so, so far > away. > > > > I don't know if the chilean case is similar in > other > > countries. > > > > Thanks for your time!!! > > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic, Chile, South America, with love > > > > > > > > > Franciscoguzman@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Oct 21 09:48:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79436 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2006 16:47:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2006 16:47:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s25.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.225) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2006 16:47:28 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.27]) by bay0-omc3-s25.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 21 Oct 2006 09:47:03 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 09:47:00 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:46:56 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:46:56 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2006 16:47:00.0276 (UTC) FILETIME=[873C7740:01C6F530] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM or What kind of radio we want/$$ is the media god X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=VaD_dzZPwbQCtiiAVan6SwZr41iEB_FPwIKRjXigr1X21ljpNwjL-uPEoEM X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Kevin Bell, hit the nail on the head, when he wrote: "With a few exceptions such as WNMB in myrtle beach south carolina AM and FM radio are nothing more than fancy advertisement mediums. " ----------------------- Exactly, and this is not limited to radio, television as well is getting as bad, some network stations here and in the West Palm Beach Market have even preempted prime time programming for infomercials. Our NBC affiliate here, put on a new hour long program, titled Daytime that at first glance looked to be an information program discussing health issues, food, vacation package deals and general advice with five minutes of new and weather thrown in the hour program. Turns out it was all one big infomercial; all the guests had paid to be on the show to plug their books, diets, etc. This started about 3 or 4 year ago and now I understand this has caught on and many tv stations are doing the same thing.(WFLA TV now does put on a small 5 second disclaimer at the beginning and end of the infomercial. It seems as though everything is for sale. If that's not bad enough, I was listening to both FOX and CNN on XM several weeks ago, hoping to get some news (when will I ever learn you don't get news from CNN or FOX!?!) and both must have spent at least 15 minutes promoting their accomplishments over the last decade, in other words their own 15 minute plus commercial; on the FOX commercial, I thought we were under another terrorist attack as a federal building being blown up, but they were rehashing OKlahoma City. Both "news"(sic) organizations wanted everyone to know that they did actually cover a few actual news stories during the last 10 - 12 years; among all the gossip and entertainment, they pass off as news. Newspapers are falling into the same trap as well, yesterday's St Petersburg Times had a big front page story about how a U.S. Senate candidate in Florida met her husband (blind date), where they went (opera), I think it even mentioned the restaurant they had dinner at, but failed to mention what they ordered off the menu! :) Now, this may be interesting, but certainly with all that is going on in the world, this story should have been in their entertainment section, not on page A-1. And this from the largest circulation newspaper in the state! (the St Pete Times is slightly ahead of the Miami Herald in paid circulation). So much for radio, tv or newspapers feeling they have a responsibility to keep their readers/listeners informed on real news, or providing real programming as opposed to infomercials. Donn From: Kevin Bell Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM or What kind of radio we want Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:54:21 -0700 (PDT) With a few exceptions such as WNMB in myrtle beach south carolina AM and FM radio are nothing more than fancy advertisement mediums. There is barely any music on them anymore. Theres more talk, commecials, and bullshit I don't waste my time listening to. To add to it no one on am or fm have any personality or pizazz. For this reason I also Subscribe to XM. -Kevin Bell South Carolina --- Norbert Here wrote: >I agree very strongly. For this reason i also >subscribe to XM . > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Francisco Guzman >Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 3:52 PM >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM or What kind of radio we want > >XM is pay Radio, not Free Radio. If Analog AM Mono >or >AM STEREO is Kaput,and IBOC AM Stereo is not the >answer. Then free Radio is dead > >--- jotape1960 wrote: > > > HI RADIO FANS!!!!!!! > > > Knowing the risk to be treated as a complete >idiot, > > I wanna write a > lines, my opinion about... THE RADIO. > > > I think RADIO must be THE MEDIA to promote the > > AUDITORY ARTS, > understanding the word ART as any culture or >people > > expression. > > > As MUSIC, CONVERSATION, SPORTS, NEWS, POLITIC and > > RELIGION are > culture expressions, in other words: ARTS, radio > > can/must transmit > all, of some, of them. > > > The problem is: CRITERION, hard word to define, I > > think. > > > How much music? How much conversation? How much > > sports? How much > news? How much politic? How much religion? In >other > > words: What kind > of radio we want? > > > I think the problem would be so simple if we only > > think on the > previous question, BUT... Unfortunately, there is >an > > aditional > problem we must to see: MONEY!!! > > > MONEY spoils any human activity, including the > > radio, of course. So, > unfortunately, the most radio owners are > > "economists", "they want > money, babe". So, radio always is an hybrid > > experiment, or the very > bad crossbreeding, between the "artistic >media" >and > > the "economist > media". > > > And, again, unfortunately, the economists always >win > > the battle!!! > > > So, if somebody thinks the XM Satellital Radio > > System is the best > solution... is wrong, so wrong!!!!!!! Pay to >listen > > what I want to > listen is the same to say: "we want artistic >radio, > > without > economists, but we will pay to leave out the > > economists!!!" > > > Is there some solution? I don't know. Does >somebody > > know? > > > Here, in Chile, we can to listen 15 minutes of >good > > music and 15 > minutes of commercials per any half hour of > > programation, during the > morning and, sometimes, the afternoon, in >most AM > > and FM terrestrial > free wave radio stations, such a bore! We can >listen > > only music at > night, very good music! Why? because radio is >still > > the most > important commercial media during the daytime, in > > Chile. But at > night, TV win the commercial battle so, so far >away. > > > I don't know if the chilean case is similar in >other > > countries. > > > Thanks for your time!!! > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic, Chile, South America, with love > > > > > > >Franciscoguzman@yahoo.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >protection around http://mail.yahoo.com > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been >removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Oct 21 15:49:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16130 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2006 22:37:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2006 22:37:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2006 22:37:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2006 22:36:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2006 22:36:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:36:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.126 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM or What kind of radio we want/$$ is the media god X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=yc_74FhAF9txciJ_Cfxckd5o2XxdgTrV0VrE9CyN23QavU1hGA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman"=20 wrote: > > Kevin Bell, hit the nail on the head, when he wrote... >=20 But, babe, USA is the most important music maker of the world, so...=20 WHERE IS THE MUSIC? WHERE IS THE BEAUTIFUL MUSIC (Jazz, Blues,=20 Classics, Ballads, Orchestras, etc.)? Are you saying us: in USA there aren't music radio stations? How do=20 you let it? Is it a political rule? I guess somebody can say I'm crazy but here, Chile, South America,=20 there're still music radios!!! And I think most of South America=20 countries have music radios too. I often listen AM band at nights and=20 I can get Argentina, with their typical "tangos" and "sambas", and=20 Brazil, with a lot of good music too. From time to time I listen SW=20 band and I get some Central America and Europe stations with music=20 too. Why there aren't music in USA radios if USA is the most important=20 music maker of the world? What's happening boys? When you lost the way? I think we can transmit music and commercials in a perfect balance. Today we have programmed to transmit (in our FM second channel) a=20 very good old concert: Neil Diamond's "Hot August Night". Sorry, the=20 transmitter has only 250 watts, so we can reach USA territory. Maybe,=20 we connect our signal to the web, some day. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Oct 21 16:43:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62551 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2006 23:33:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2006 23:33:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s2.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.202) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2006 23:33:03 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.34]) by bay0-omc3-s2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:31:01 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:31:00 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:30:41 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:30:41 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2006 23:31:00.0854 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7BF2160:01C6F568] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM or What kind of radio we want/$$ is the media god X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=-QhqBubmFI-7G6BRDYCgLyx0dtmziLZ3ZpGoJVHXtzAE82TIaGpSy4Tfwoo X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Juan,"TALK IS CHEAP" is another popular expression in North America; of course this expression didn't originally refer to radio, but nonetheless, TALK IS CHEAP for broadcasters, most AM stations (not all, there are exceptions such as Bill Norman's wonderful WNMB) but the majority of AM stations that broadcast in English are talk; mostly political/religious talk or infomercials, very few ALL NEWS stations (WCBS, WINS, WBBM are some exceptions). To top it off, a local or state talk format could be good, but nearly all the talk formats are syndicated nationwide, so there is little or no discussion of local issues. Now even many fm stations are going talk, the fm stations that do play music wrap their limited play lists around commercials. You ask how do people in the U.S. hear all the music their country produces? They listen on their i-Pods, MP3 Players, cd changers or satellite radio Now, don't shoot me on this one, I'm just the messenger on this subject. Most people here under age 30 think it is very uncool to listen to radio, when their are i-Pods, MP3 players and satellite radio available. Also mentioned previously in this forum, most broadcasters don't really cater to people over 55, so basically the corporations program their commercials and limited music to the 30 - 55 year old crowds. Most markets here that do try to capture the under 30 crowd do so by having raunchy morning shows, that most people wouldn't want to listen to in mixed company or certainly wouldn't want their children to listen to. One of the raunchiest in this market was Bubba the Love Sponge and believe it or not, he was a republican that endorsed Jeb Bush in the 2002 governor's election and he had an interview with Jeb Bush by telephone. I'm sure that Jeb Bush would have been embarrassed (or should have been) had he known that his interview was sandwiched between a Lesbian Tuesday segment and a "Hooters Wet T-Shirt" segment. Yes, the corporate broadcasters, who almost completely rule the public airwaves have "lost the(ir) way", but they do make a ton of money and many of those corporations believe in their version of the "Golden Rule", Those with the most gold.... Rules!!. Donn St Petersburg,FL ----------------------------------- From: "jotape1960" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM or What kind of radio we want/$$ is the media god Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:36:18 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman" wrote: > >Kevin Bell, hit the nail on the head, when he wrote... > But, babe, USA is the most important music maker of the world, so... WHERE IS THE MUSIC? WHERE IS THE BEAUTIFUL MUSIC (Jazz, Blues, Classics, Ballads, Orchestras, etc.)? Are you saying us: in USA there aren't music radio stations? How do you let it? Is it a political rule? I guess somebody can say I'm crazy but here, Chile, South America, there're still music radios!!! And I think most of South America countries have music radios too. I often listen AM band at nights and I can get Argentina, with their typical "tangos" and "sambas", and Brazil, with a lot of good music too. From time to time I listen SW band and I get some Central America and Europe stations with music too. Why there aren't music in USA radios if USA is the most important music maker of the world? What's happening boys? When you lost the way? I think we can transmit music and commercials in a perfect balance. Today we have programmed to transmit (in our FM second channel) a very good old concert: Neil Diamond's "Hot August Night". Sorry, the transmitter has only 250 watts, so we can reach USA territory. Maybe, we connect our signal to the web, some day. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love From amfmdx@qwest.net Sat Oct 21 16:47:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@qwest.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33538 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2006 23:34:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2006 23:34:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net) (63.231.195.115) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2006 23:34:39 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-04.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-04.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.4]) by mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id 4916522DFC4 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:09:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-174-223.phnx.qwest.net (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (130.13.174.223) by mpls-pop-04.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 21 Oct 2006 23:09:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:09:49 -0700 Message-Id: <0F61BE87-BBC3-41E2-BFE8-F3A86D55C12B@qwest.net> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Originating-IP: 63.231.195.115 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "kevin redding" Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM or What kind of radio we want/$$ is the media god X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=264393189; y=ftvZV0Zvaa5jsfWdYHjGaUrWiCjzIHfwHGw-9r_oRKbDLAxvTA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > But, babe, USA is the most important music maker of the world, so... > WHERE IS THE MUSIC? WHERE IS THE BEAUTIFUL MUSIC (Jazz, Blues, > Classics, Ballads, Orchestras, etc.)? The beautiful music is on XM channel 78, "Escape", 24/7. > Are you saying us: in USA there aren't music radio stations? How do > you let it? Is it a political rule? We don't let it do anything. There is no political rule. These decisions are made by massive multinational corporations. They ONLY program for 18 to 30 year old people. Rock and rap predominate and that music to me is ugly. > I guess somebody can say I'm crazy but here, Chile, South America, > there're still music radios!!! Sometimes we get what is called F2 skip and we can hear music on FM on the 48 mHz band. > What's happening boys? When you lost the way? In America, everything is about MONEY and that sucks but its the way it is. If you want music here, you have to pay. I have XM and I can hear music all the time. Kevin From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Oct 21 18:34:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73500 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2006 01:34:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2006 01:34:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2006 01:34:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 96612 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Oct 2006 01:34:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20061022013433.96610.qmail@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.240.134.122] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:34:33 PDT Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:34:33 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: WOR Processing / Questions?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=DzVmoQmibClu6TJBPBL-t8CdeXQwX-MfKiTw4IGAG0NDkYeZ14tEs2s X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Question for the guys on the list here over at WOR. What audio processing are you using? Curious if you are using the new Orban AM STEREO unit? Also, since moving the towers, are you able to rig up your standby transmitter for CQuam at night? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Oct 21 18:37:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6906 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2006 01:32:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2006 01:32:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2006 01:32:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 93942 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Oct 2006 01:32:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20061022013244.93940.qmail@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.240.134.122] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:32:44 PDT Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:32:44 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Salem Radio Question - Scott Todd? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=vp8DL9a69M36LXGvh7vMguiaRyWGVuiR6u4-B2vk8aZ3usKHDhM-_Gs X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Scott - I read somewhere that Salem is gearing-up a station for 50KW and they took it off the air to do that. Any details? AM stereo? IBOC? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Sat Oct 21 20:22:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37348 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2006 03:03:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2006 03:03:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO act-MTAout6.csiro.au) (150.229.7.43) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2006 03:03:48 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.56]) by act-MTAout6.csiro.au with ESMTP; 22 Oct 2006 13:03:47 +1000 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,338,1157292000"; d="dat'59?scan'59,208,59"; a="117476700:sNHT29912696" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 22 Oct 2006 13:03:33 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 13:03:33 +1000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} XM or What kind of radio we want/$$ is the media god Thread-Index: Acb1MK2NFzj+YAfyTcug6WEqyzfHAgAUp58q References: To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2006 03:03:33.0635 (UTC) FILETIME=[A8FF1530:01C6F586] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.7.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} XM or What kind of radio we want/$$ is the media god X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=8afEVt9QTiVSP2oPepD-llEWJUtdiEEV71udjYqwYUgr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Donn Tillman > It seems as though everything is for sale. > So much for radio, tv or newspapers feeling they have a responsibility > to keep their readers/listeners informed on real news, or providing > real programming as opposed to infomercials. Right on Donn. Commercial media organisations are in it for the profit, and sometimes additional dubious agendas. As far as the finite resources that terrestrial radio and TV broadcasts on, governments should regulate licensees and enforce them to maintain standards and provide a service. If they don't, the licences should be reallocated to people who will. New media laws were passed in Oz this week. At least the Nationals restricted cross media ownership to two out of three (TV, radio, newspapers). Already Australia's richest man James Packer (owner of the most successful TV network) has sold half the company to a global capital equity mob whilst retaining control so that he can expand his media and gambling interests. And Murdoch has snapped up 7.5% of his major newspaper opposition, Fairfax, so that he can manipulate what happens to it. But worst, so far, is the owner of the Seven TV network launching a takeover bid for "The West Australian". Perth is a one newspaper town. Stokes already owns the highest rating TV station - TVW7. It's probably only a matter of time before the front page of The West Oz is plastered with promotions (presented as news) of the latest weight loss program that just happens to be the theme of Seven's daily "current affairs" program Today Tonight. Surely we deserve better than this. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Oct 22 16:43:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82844 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2006 23:43:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2006 23:43:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2006 23:43:01 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.103]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 123969252 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 18:37:22 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <009e01c6f633$3587e020$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 18:38:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.208.103 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM or What kind of radio we want/$$ is the media god X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=j9bH4yNOi8K7Zbs0BMMxNlXDOnyKXV2vBiGJ_RK_bR2neQ4iIOpP X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Everything you said is why blogs are catching on so fast. Of course, they have their biases too, but if you know what they are beforehand, it'll help you wade through. Powerline is conservative (they even uncovered the forged memo that ultimately brought down Dan Rather), and the Daily Kos is leftist. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" > > Now, this may be interesting, but certainly with all that is going on in the > world, this story should have been in their entertainment section, not on > page A-1. And this from the largest circulation newspaper in the state! > (the St Pete Times is slightly ahead of the Miami Herald in paid > circulation). > > So much for radio, tv or newspapers feeling they have a responsibility to > keep their readers/listeners informed on real news, or providing real > programming as opposed to infomercials. > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Oct 22 17:24:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54181 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2006 00:21:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2006 00:21:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2006 00:21:56 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.103]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 125555025 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 19:21:29 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b201c6f639$5ee25da0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 19:22:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.103 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM or What kind of radio we want/$$ is the media god X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=J_zpORcnC6rQ_A22yd84Mt4w6W6u9hs9zEh1fhSG7Nyv6yBmzv3k X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Talk may be cheap, but it was the RIAA that priced most of them out of the market. Much of that music you've wondered about, Juan, is available, at least in larger markets, mostly on public radio for the first three. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" > Juan,"TALK IS CHEAP" is another popular expression in North America; of > course this expression didn't originally refer to radio, but nonetheless, > TALK IS CHEAP for broadcasters, most AM stations (not all, there are > exceptions such as Bill Norman's wonderful WNMB) but the majority of AM > stations that broadcast in English are talk; mostly political/religious talk > > From: "jotape1960" > > But, babe, USA is the most important music maker of the world, so... > WHERE IS THE MUSIC? WHERE IS THE BEAUTIFUL MUSIC (Jazz, Blues, > Classics, Ballads, Orchestras, etc.)? > > Are you saying us: in USA there aren't music radio stations? How do > you let it? Is it a political rule? From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Oct 22 17:31:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69546 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2006 00:30:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2006 00:30:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2006 00:30:02 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.103]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 122551148 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 19:22:57 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bc01c6f639$937f4c80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20061022013433.96610.qmail@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 19:24:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 5, in=4, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.103 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOR Processing / Questions?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=4-z-arIBd8XAk7QXW5bkn0bx-iEPExI5x2AzTv0gwKJTxTYUr9WH X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Able? Likely. Willing to spend the money? That's another matter. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." > Question for the guys on the list here over at WOR. What audio processing are > you using? Curious if you are using the new Orban AM STEREO unit? > Also, since moving the towers, are you able to rig up your standby transmitter > for CQuam at night? From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Oct 22 17:42:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50490 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2006 00:37:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2006 00:37:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2006 00:37:39 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.103]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 125000879 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 19:35:48 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c001c6f63b$5f5ef5c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20061022013244.93940.qmail@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 19:37:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.103 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Salem Radio Question - Scott Todd? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=jH7j6rhKT5qzQf3lu6x49pa6gmMe2ZbYS5j4d8IXdD5bc9bqzYzV X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude No idea. I know they had to file for an STA for KCBQ San Diego a year or two back when they lost their lease on the land. They are looking for another site and are running reduced power diplexed with a Clear Channel-owned station in the market. Any station they did take off the air would be one they were planning on changing formats. Generally Salem will enter a market with a Christian teaching and talk format, then add a conservative talk, though in Detroit they did the opposite. Thirdly they'll try for an FM, in most cases, to put their "Fish" format, Christian hot AC/CHR. They don't do AM stereo, or AM band IBOC. Not sure if they're interested in it for FM. IIRC they do have one FM they're checking it out with, but don't know if they're happy with the expenditure or not. I do have some AM stereo gear which, if I ever get around to it, I'd like to try on KKMS. One of our afternoon talk hosts really likes AM stereo and if I can get it to play even the boss would be OK with it. To make it truly stereo I'd need some more boards for the Optimod 9100. 980 was once stereo with a Z-Rock format. I know the engineer in Louisville kept AM stereo going as long as he could til he had to replace his failing STL and they'd only give him a mono replacement. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." To: Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 8:32 PM Subject: {AMSF} Salem Radio Question - Scott Todd? > Scott - I read somewhere that Salem is gearing-up a station for 50KW and they > took it off the air to do that. Any details? AM stereo? IBOC? From tomray@wor710.com Mon Oct 23 09:26:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96343 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2006 16:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2006 16:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.205) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2006 16:24:56 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2006 16:24:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2006 16:24:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2006 16:24:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:24:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20061022013433.96610.qmail@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: WOR Processing / Questions?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=mktZKs0JUpyZhVmR8WTHdtdCvDXKSaSD5IR-1aypw0rNgNHb X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > Question for the guys on the list here over at WOR. What audio processing are > you using? Curious if you are using the new Orban AM STEREO unit? [TR] We're using the Omnia 5-EX. In my opinion, it has a cleaner, smoother sound than the Orban unit (yes, I've tried it). I have 2 Omnias - one on each transmitter. > Also, since moving the towers, are you able to rig up your standby transmitter > for CQuam at night? [TR] We don't have a 'standby' transmitter. We have two identical Harris 3DX50 transmitters, which alernate weeks on the air.=20 Transmitter B wasted a modulation encoder last week: the replacement arrived today. Neither transmitter will be seeing C-Quam any time soon. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Mon Oct 23 09:27:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87020 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2006 16:26:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2006 16:26:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2006 16:26:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n15.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2006 16:25:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2006 16:25:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:25:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00bc01c6f639$937f4c80$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOR Processing / Questions?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=qU1h1IcAbo1kRyn9NhtQMc56wVuxLqtkgDXIS9W2XQbYiRbD X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray More like "I can put the $ to other and better uses than C-Quam". Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > Able? Likely. Willing to spend the money? That's another matter. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "John P." >=20 > > Question for the guys on the list here over at WOR. What audio processing > are > > you using? Curious if you are using the new Orban AM STEREO unit? > > Also, since moving the towers, are you able to rig up your standby > transmitter > > for CQuam at night? > From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Oct 24 17:30:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80183 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2006 00:27:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2006 00:27:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler3.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.143) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2006 00:27:47 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler3.mail.eds.com (8.13.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k9P0R0Ng023784 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:27:00 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.13.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k9P0QQDB005396 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:26:26 +1000 Received: from aubwm051.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.159.13]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.13.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k9P0QQuK005391 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:26:26 +1000 Received: from aubwm010.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.166.96]) by aubwm051.apac.corp.eds.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:26:26 +1000 Received: from aubwm231.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.166.105]) by aubwm010.apac.corp.eds.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:26:25 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:26:22 +1000 Message-ID: <5963F1C68F53754894E6168A6D6B6AD489E355@aubwm231.apac.corp.eds.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Re: WOR Processing / Questions?? Thread-Index: Acb2wD/4mxVsNHKkR7ivsqdn0buQPgBC9yNQ To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2006 00:26:25.0530 (UTC) FILETIME=[34A5ADA0:01C6F7CC] X-Originating-IP: 207.169.189.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: WOR Processing / Questions?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102; y=mVJLhBAQAJ4p1GXpYX7OFM3Cl1MvrHbARjW2KQFF39nMeg6NLA X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 They are one hell of a nice transmitter - here's a link to some photos of the WSM unit in operation: http://www.fybush.com/site-020424.html ________________________________ From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Tom Ray To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: WOR Processing / Questions?? [TR] We don't have a 'standby' transmitter. We have two identical Harris 3DX50 transmitters, which alternate weeks on the air.=20 Transmitter B wasted a modulation encoder last week: the replacement arrived today. Neither transmitter will be seeing C-Quam any time soon. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Wed Oct 25 09:51:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93050 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2006 16:43:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2006 16:43:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2006 16:43:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2006 16:42:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2006 16:42:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:42:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5963F1C68F53754894E6168A6D6B6AD489E355@aubwm231.apac.corp.eds.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: WOR Processing / Questions?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=GvNU2C_kKHa3JK_nqj4qYEBermYQoIUvduGGUTs9B3vlbVZI X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L"=20 wrote: > > They are one hell of a nice transmitter - here's a link to some=20 photos > of the WSM unit in operation: >=20 > http://www.fybush.com/site-020424.html >=20 Scary thing is that EVERYTHING in the beast is based on/controlled=20 by/monitored and adjusted by a linux motherboard. No relays. No=20 contactors. No tuning controls! And, you can hot swap PA modules=20 on the fly. I had to spend considerable time with the output monitor boards on=20 both units, but once they were properly adjusted, they just sit and=20 run.=20=20 Tom Ray WOR From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Oct 25 11:14:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68148 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2006 18:13:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2006 18:13:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.159) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2006 18:13:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 9670 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Oct 2006 18:12:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20061025181252.9668.qmail@web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:12:52 PDT Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:12:52 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.159 From: "John P." Subject: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=N8AA1N3i9hyyB2CP-kBTq0kjOLo94q-79Uy9HSTfbsrFNMlv0DIoDyI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Too bad WSM doesn't fire-up the backup transmitter with C-Quam - they had one hell of a nice-sounding stereo AM signal in the late 80's! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Oct 25 16:08:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17599 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2006 23:03:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2006 23:03:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.198) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2006 23:03:16 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n7.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2006 23:01:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2006 23:01:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2006 23:01:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:01:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.250.43.101 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOR Processing / Questions?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=Ce3xlgLcmPX-j5waOgIfGs6-NLrm2_kCVehftfTv1J8l6fuNSg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > More like "I can put the $ to other and better uses than C-Quam". >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR Right now the best use of WOR's money would be in its programming,=20 which has suffered greatly since the departure of John Gambling and=20 Bob Grant. If the programming is good, people will listen regardless of how it=20 sounds (like the night when Joey Reynolds had to call in to his own=20 show, due to a problem with the studio equipment). But if it's not,=20 even transmitting it in uncompressed 24-bit 192 kHz digital stereo=20 won't help gain any listeners. At least with your dual 50 kW transmitters, you're prepared for the=20 future when all the smaller AM stations move to a new band and the=20 big Class A stations get to upgrade to 100 kW (or more). Are WOR's=20 towers and phasors rated to handle 100 kW? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Oct 25 16:08:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58742 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2006 23:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2006 23:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.189) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2006 23:08:07 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n22.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2006 23:07:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2006 23:07:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2006 23:07:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:07:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5963F1C68F53754894E6168A6D6B6AD489E355@aubwm231.apac.corp.eds.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.250.43.101 From: "Kevin T." Subject: {AMSF} Re: WOR Processing / Questions?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=eSFdY61R184WdiXzgK4q2--vwxkCzM6sPg0kXU1hkRKzq-AUTg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L"=20 wrote: > > They are one hell of a nice transmitter - here's a link to some > photos of the WSM unit in operation: >=20 > http://www.fybush.com/site-020424.html I spy two CRL Spectral Energy Processors and a CRL AM Stereo Matrix=20 Processor in WSM's rack, as well as what appears to be a Harris=20 C-Quam exciter and a Motorola C-Quam modulation monitor. Another hint that WSM may still be equipped to transmit in AM Stereo=20 is, of course, the *pair* of monitor speakers perched above! From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Oct 25 17:45:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27189 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2006 00:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2006 00:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2006 00:42:30 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.119]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 124786314 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:37:10 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <008d01c6f897$137ac180$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:38:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.212.119 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOR Processing / Questions?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=V4P5XZxGDC-zOaLrQo8D46r2fwpIJFs4a1LxpfUop0GE1iTGvNM- X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I think that could still qualify under the willing category. Maybe we'll just have to find a software approach so the computer which generates your IBOC by day can do CQUAM by night and you won't have to spend anything. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ray" To: Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 11:25 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOR Processing / Questions?? > More like "I can put the $ to other and better uses than C-Quam". > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > > > Able? Likely. Willing to spend the money? That's another matter. > > > > Scott Todd > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John P." > > > Also, since moving the towers, are you able to rig up your standby > > transmitter > > > for CQuam at night? From jimsmith@vfr.net Wed Oct 25 21:25:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79790 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2006 04:23:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2006 04:23:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2006 04:23:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2006 04:22:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2006 04:22:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 04:22:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20061025181252.9668.qmail@web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.42.114.118 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=wFa_euw69cViULN1Rc63J-K8CB3AAhEhVySkSRZK1VqTNEudT-9E0A X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > Too bad WSM doesn't fire-up the backup transmitter with C-Quam - they > had one hell of a nice-sounding stereo AM signal in the late 80's! >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com > Hi Gang Will I talked with one of the engineers at WSM AM 650 and he=20 said that he will never turn on HD AM and he said he would not turn on=20 AM STEREO ether. So to make it more werth it to turn on AM STEREO=20 there would half to be more than one person from here to help flood the=20 area with AM STEREO radios let the stations know you are doing this. I=20 think that would work for both WOR and WSM and any other station in the=20 US. Just my 2 cents. Jim Smith From tomray@wor710.com Thu Oct 26 13:13:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5019 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2006 20:08:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2006 20:08:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.184) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2006 20:08:06 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2006 20:08:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2006 20:08:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2006 20:08:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:08:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: WOR Processing / Questions?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=exJCQRjirM0VPGQjayFjBnxwP8z8DA_Kv6tsoTtoVIIcO9qb X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > (like the night when Joey Reynolds had to call in to his own=20 > show, due to a problem with the studio equipment).=20 [TR] When was this? I remember Joey getting stuck in the elevator at 750 Main Street in Hartford and doing his show from the telephone in the elevator. He may have gotten stuck in the elevators at 1440 Broadway which were less than, shall we say, in top notch condition, and done his show from there until he was let out. > At least with your dual 50 kW transmitters, you're prepared for the=20 > future when all the smaller AM stations move to a new band and the=20 > big Class A stations get to upgrade to 100 kW (or more). Are WOR's=20 > towers and phasors rated to handle 100 kW? [TR] I don't think we have quite the overhead for 100KW carrier, but I doubt anything over 50KW will ever be granted here in the US. Though I'd like to give Fidel a run for his money. Tom Ray WOR > From tomray@wor710.com Thu Oct 26 13:19:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52324 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2006 20:11:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2006 20:11:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.23) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2006 20:11:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2006 20:10:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2006 20:10:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:10:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=RxzoKOSYx0gfmRLdU_zjGRoyKReW3_dWZNXUIg8lDsQ2UmdG X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95663" wrote: > So to make it more werth it to turn on AM STEREO=20 > there would half to be more than one person from here to help flood the=20 > area with AM STEREO radios let the stations know you are doing this. I=20 > think that would work for both WOR and WSM and any other station in the=20 > US.=20 [TR] Don't hold your breath, Jim. If HD fails, we'll simply default to mono. Though C-QUAM would work quite well through the new system. Tom Ray WOR From jimsmith@vfr.net Thu Oct 26 14:56:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92551 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2006 21:55:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2006 21:55:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.213) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2006 21:55:29 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n22.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2006 21:53:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2006 21:53:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2006 21:53:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:53:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.25.47.41 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=BkxitpyN9o35npiLFyotUzWgT9NQP8iRs9OMP3eOkjtb8CFXKttjFg X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95663" > wrote: > > > So to make it more werth it to turn on AM STEREO=20 > > there would half to be more than one person from here to help=20 flood the=20 > > area with AM STEREO radios let the stations know you are doing=20 this. I=20 > > think that would work for both WOR and WSM and any other station=20 in the=20 > > US.=20 >=20 > [TR] Don't hold your breath, Jim. If HD fails, we'll simply default > to mono. Though C-QUAM would work quite well through the new=20 system. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > Hi Tom I miss C-QuAM here in the Sacramento Ca area. C-QuAM sounds=20 great and I would love to see a come back but it dose not look good=20 in my are. Jim Smith From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Oct 26 15:25:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68958 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2006 22:25:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2006 22:25:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s31.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.231) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2006 22:25:11 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.250.85]) by bay0-omc3-s31.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:22:44 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:22:44 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 70.89.96.158 by BAY115-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:22:39 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:22:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2006 22:22:44.0260 (UTC) FILETIME=[420D3E40:01C6F94D] Return-Path: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR Processing / Questions?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=IStTsL-ZwMTBK-Jj-c4wwX1iHJHzILykRHKyQkblvQSwRWBZL8Z_mzW3oCdkoQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: > [TR] I don't think we have quite the overhead for 100KW carrier, but I > doubt anything over 50KW will ever be granted here in the US. Though I'd > like to give Fidel a run for his money. Here in Fort Lauderdale I am in the 2,5 mV/m contour of both the Day and Night patterns of WAQI 710 Miami. In the Daytime I can hear Cuba in the background of WAQI. At night, 710 is a fight between WAQI and the Cuban Selective fading and hetrodyning with WAQI. Kevin in Fort Lauderdale From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Oct 26 15:29:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78838 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2006 22:24:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2006 22:24:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s5.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.205) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2006 22:24:28 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.250.85]) by bay0-omc3-s5.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:22:59 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:22:59 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 70.89.96.158 by BAY115-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:22:57 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:22:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2006 22:22:59.0432 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B184E80:01C6F94D] Return-Path: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=1jHtGDl_0PLo06NAn7NDWOazVtZ0cKhKwwv-2x7HqKNy9ePPd280TfGoXT6fjQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: >[TR] Don't hold your breath, Jim. If HD fails, we'll simply default to >mono. Though C-QUAM would work quite well through the new system. You mean you wouldnt let "Ol' Lenny" jimmy-rig his CAM-D system into your spiffy new 3DX50s? Kevin in Fort Lauderdale From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Oct 26 15:30:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61038 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2006 22:22:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2006 22:22:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.174) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2006 22:22:59 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.250.89]) by bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:22:53 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:22:53 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 70.89.96.158 by BAY115-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:22:50 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:22:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2006 22:22:53.0491 (UTC) FILETIME=[478DC830:01C6F94D] Return-Path: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR Processing / Questions?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=n4AuJhigWfiWbiVgYcdjxZqZL9ubhpEUYKuAJ8mSF_S1_Wp7hNYfa12I9Jp3YQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: > Scary thing is that EVERYTHING in the beast is based on/controlled > by/monitored and adjusted by a linux motherboard. No relays. No > contactors. No tuning controls! And, you can hot swap PA modules on the > fly. Gee, you mean no more all-niters at the transmitter shack trying to bring contactors back to life with lots of prayer and De-Ox-It? That just takes the "FUN" right out of radio! LOL Kevin in Fort Lauderdale From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Oct 26 18:21:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49820 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 01:15:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2006 01:15:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52208.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.131) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2006 01:15:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 60279 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Oct 2006 01:14:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20061027011452.60277.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.181] by web52208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:14:52 PDT Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:14:52 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR Processing / Questions?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Z-75Q1_GmSWDb3Hys3vfg6OtectL3PTuUY6kTUWwlg0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > > [TR] I don't think we have quite the overhead for > 100KW carrier, but I > doubt anything over 50KW will ever be granted here > in the US. Though > I'd like to give Fidel a run for his money. > Tom Ray > WOR Maybe you could get to test a DX-2000 in non DA mode.... Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From tomray@wor710.com Thu Oct 26 18:50:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62948 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 01:48:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2006 01:48:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.210) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2006 01:48:37 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2006 01:45:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2006 01:45:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2006 01:45:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 01:45:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: WOR Processing / Questions?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=MwKXvyIk3ZEAFIJeGuH3HSaOiJQ5lT0RMMno-5Bq-MCAxZvR X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: >=20 > Gee, you mean no more all-niters at the transmitter shack trying to bring > contactors back to life with lots of prayer and De-Ox-It? That just takes > the "FUN" right out of radio! LOL >=20 > Kevin in Fort Lauderdale > Now there'll be all nighters conjuring up the spirits of Linux when something goes wrong. But the vocabulary to use during such times will be identical :-) Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Thu Oct 26 18:51:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95962 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 01:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2006 01:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.152) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2006 01:45:19 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n9.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2006 01:43:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2006 01:43:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2006 01:43:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 01:43:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: WOR Processing / Questions?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=LOoJ3qWGq_Kjp8ZXvk88RAIhf0RQsde4pOUF_ZsBIImWEymI X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: >=20 > Here in Fort Lauderdale I am in the 2,5 mV/m contour of both the Day and=20 > Night patterns of WAQI 710 Miami. In the Daytime I can hear Cuba in the=20 > background of WAQI. At night, 710 is a fight between WAQI and the Cuban=20 > Selective fading and hetrodyning with WAQI. >=20 > Kevin in Fort Lauderdale > Up here, there are places within the WOR coverage area where you cannot listen to the station...like here at my house...because of the Cuban interference. I asked the FCC to do a study. They pinpointed the exact location of the 710 Cuban transmitter...and based on field strength measurements, stated that it was about 1 Million Watts ERP.=20 Unfortunately, because it's a foreign country, there's not a damn thing we can do about it. Ain't that special? Tom Ray WOR From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Oct 26 18:52:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19394 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 01:47:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2006 01:47:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.187) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2006 01:47:31 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2006 01:45:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2006 01:45:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2006 01:45:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 01:45:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.47 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Future of the radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=5NE7R6PFaA1ZdpK2csuTaEaRq_FYDopRat2cd19orfzm0VTbYA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI AM STEREO FANS!!!!!!! Digital was born dead. Digital doesn't work in AM. So... LONG LIFE TO=20 OLD ANALOG AUDIO AM RADIO!!! But... How long? If there isn't a radical change of AM station owners... mmmmmm Please, change your mind AM owners!!! Save the radio, please!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From tomray@wor710.com Thu Oct 26 18:55:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30379 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 01:49:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2006 01:49:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.178) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2006 01:49:12 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n11.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2006 01:49:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2006 01:49:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2006 01:49:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 01:49:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=_L2-uXtiQy-rnzd2RzykDZm1Xb4qWQRE-W0SjrlBixS9PDsq X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > > Tom Ray wrote: > >[TR] Don't hold your breath, Jim. If HD fails, we'll simply default to=20 > >mono. Though C-QUAM would work quite well through the new system. >=20 > You mean you wouldnt let "Ol' Lenny" jimmy-rig his CAM-D system into your=20 > spiffy new 3DX50s? >=20 > Kevin in Fort Lauderdale > You'd have to pry the oscillator boards out of my cold, dead hands. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Thu Oct 26 19:00:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29644 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 01:49:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2006 01:49:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2006 01:49:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2006 01:48:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2006 01:48:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 01:48:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20061027011452.60277.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: WOR Processing / Questions?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=zJFzlUOqO7DSVcg0HujcbVOagLeyxUP4vgZ32IiUKLXbSLKv X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: >=20 > Maybe you could get to test a DX-2000 in non DA > mode.... >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > w4opw@... > NNNN! > Now THAT would be a hoot! Unfortunately, the electric meter at the site is digital....it would be fun to watch the spinning disk self destruct (or launch...hello, Newark tower, one WattHour meter taking off on runway 710) in an analog meter! Tom Ray WOR From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Oct 26 19:28:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76266 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 02:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2006 02:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2006 02:16:25 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:16:08 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 02:16:04 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 02:16:04 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Oct 2006 02:16:08.0517 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD3D4750:01C6F96D] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR Processing / Questions?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=colz2zx8vG59P-UHXNse98FyaNhtewXYbLbAT9zOchNi2aPXcePBl2gvoO4 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Hi Kevin, in Fort Lauderdale,If I'm not mistaken, the transmitter and towers for WAQI 710 are just south of Miramar, in Miami/Dade, but almost on the county line with Broward. I know in Hollywood, near the Florida Turnpike and Taft St, WAQI has a very strong signal day and night. During the day I can't hear the Cuban 710 in the background, but at night I can. Here on the west coast of Florida, you have to get to around Port Charlotte or Punta Gorda southward to have WAQI as the predominate signal during the day. Here is St Pete, It's a battle of the signals between Cuba and WAQI both day and night. Between those two battling it out, I've never been able to receive WOR here. Donn St Petersburg,FL From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR Processing / Questions?? Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:22:39 -0400 Tom Ray wrote: >[TR] I don't think we have quite the overhead for 100KW carrier, but I >doubt anything over 50KW will ever be granted here in the US. Though I'd >like to give Fidel a run for his money. Here in Fort Lauderdale I am in the 2,5 mV/m contour of both the Day and Night patterns of WAQI 710 Miami. In the Daytime I can hear Cuba in the background of WAQI. At night, 710 is a fight between WAQI and the Cuban Selective fading and hetrodyning with WAQI. Kevin in Fort Lauderdale From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Oct 26 20:12:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49013 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 03:00:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2006 03:00:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.178) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2006 03:00:20 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n11.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2006 02:58:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2006 02:58:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2006 02:58:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 02:58:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.250.43.101 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: WOR Processing / Questions?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=zzPIStmb81Q4dGrq7RyGWlepAVXofZVtU11TrSx8kB3iYG8GpQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > Up here, there are places within the WOR coverage area where you > cannot listen to the station...like here at my house...because of > the Cuban interference. I asked the FCC to do a study. They > pinpointed the exact location of the 710 Cuban transmitter...and > based on field strength measurements, stated that it was about 1 > Million Watts ERP.=20 If WMCA signed off at night, Radio Reloj on 570 kHz from Cuba would=20 probably have higher ratings in NYC than WOR. We have our teletype=20 sound; they have their ticking clock and Morse code "RR" every=20 minute. It's actually a very well-executed format, if you disregard=20 all the pro-Castro propaganda. Where I am, WOR is strong enough that all you need to receive it is a long piece of wire, a diode, and a crystal earphone. You can hear=20 WABC and a few other AM stations in the background on this untuned=20 crystal radio, but WOR drowns them all out. When WOR was=20 transmitting 10,000 watts non-directional for a while in 1997, the=20 Cuban interference at night became quite troubling at times; on my=20 Walkman I could null out WOR enough to make the Cuban signal=20 completely intelligible. At 50 kW the interference is much reduced,=20 but you can still hear it faintly in the background sometimes. On 570 kHz the Cuban interference is much worse, often strong enough to=20 drown out WMCA at times. From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Oct 26 22:46:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37818 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 05:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2006 05:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.33) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2006 05:46:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 7518 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Oct 2006 05:44:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20061027054440.7516.qmail@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Received: from [74.226.218.105] by web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:44:40 PDT Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:44:40 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM or What kind of radio we want/$$ is the media god X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=NFaPmLpyONiqy21DAZGEGz8uZ53wxHwzP8VNLBL4xgnOv-Njfriv X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I know one effin thing, I don't like any dude calling me baby on this forum! And no I am not homophobic but dang have some respect! -Kevin Bell Greenville, SC --- jotape1960 wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman" > > wrote: > > > > Kevin Bell, hit the nail on the head, when he > wrote... > > > > But, babe, USA is the most important music maker of > the world, so... > WHERE IS THE MUSIC? WHERE IS THE BEAUTIFUL MUSIC > (Jazz, Blues, > Classics, Ballads, Orchestras, etc.)? > > Are you saying us: in USA there aren't music radio > stations? How do > you let it? Is it a political rule? > > I guess somebody can say I'm crazy but here, Chile, > South America, > there're still music radios!!! And I think most of > South America > countries have music radios too. I often listen AM > band at nights and > I can get Argentina, with their typical "tangos" and > "sambas", and > Brazil, with a lot of good music too. From time to > time I listen SW > band and I get some Central America and Europe > stations with music > too. > > Why there aren't music in USA radios if USA is the > most important > music maker of the world? > > What's happening boys? When you lost the way? > > I think we can transmit music and commercials in a > perfect balance. > > Today we have programmed to transmit (in our FM > second channel) a > very good old concert: Neil Diamond's "Hot August > Night". Sorry, the > transmitter has only 250 watts, so we can reach USA > territory. Maybe, > we connect our signal to the web, some day. > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Oct 27 03:46:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25293 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 10:45:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2006 10:45:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2006 10:45:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n15.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2006 10:25:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2006 10:25:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:25:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20061027054440.7516.qmail@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.7 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM or What kind of radio we want/$$ is the media god X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=-L9MhV8phURIopz8Mp3w-WVwiyftvS9LSl5GEOUchJ4E6iVP9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 wrote: > > I know one effin thing, I don't like any dude calling > me baby on this forum! And no I am not homophobic but > dang have some respect! >=20 > -Kevin Bell > Greenville, SC >=20 I'm so sorry if you didn't feel comfortable with my way to write.=20 Excuse me, I didn't want to offend you, in anyway. I only used a=20 familiar and so common way to speak in my country (baby =3D nene, nena,=20 beb=E9, a little child). I can't understand your "homophobic" commentary... ??? But, if you let me to say something: USA people, USA radio owners and=20 USA radio listener must to ask "some respect" from the FCC and others=20 who killed the radio years ago, not from me. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Oct 27 07:21:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77316 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 14:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2006 14:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.160) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2006 14:21:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 45622 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Oct 2006 14:21:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20061027142108.45620.qmail@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:21:08 PDT Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:21:08 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: New Clear Channel Owner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=6Iu1GfxSetkOcmKPF5UvStr0ynh6bJ-8XFfEEzA4e7M2hWqDBRc3byU X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Okay, the truth is out - I just bought all the Clear Channel radio empire from the Mays folks, so now I am majority owner! I will be ordering all Clear Channel AM stations to revert to CQUAM, effective April 1, 2007. All of my FM stations will be installing FMEXTRA effective April 1, 2007. (oh, that's April Fool's day, isn't it?) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wnmb@sc.rr.com Fri Oct 27 07:53:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71258 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 14:45:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2006 14:45:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.197) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2006 14:45:40 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n6.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2006 14:39:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2006 14:39:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2006 14:39:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:39:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.60.215.93 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: It's been almost a year! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=xorRMo0muRaQKNgVGT7Pp8vsjDnMZoNpBqKKlEGUX2l2Yw X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 It's been almost a year since we converted WNMB from mono to AM=20 Stereo. I want to share with you what a difference it has made for=20 us, even in this time when AM Stereo is supposed to be dead. First=20 of all, I have been truly surprised at the number of cars out there=20 which have AM Stereo radios. While I cannot pretend to give you a=20 precise statistical analysis, I can legitimately tell you that we=20 have had a constant stream of listeners let us know they do hear our=20 stereo. What is universal about this is the change in their AM=20 quality perception. It is like going from night to day. In just the=20 past few weeks, we've been visited by a Chrysler Van, a Navigator, A=20 couple of Ford Explorers, another Thunderbird, and even a 1992=20 Cadillac Sedan DeVille and a 93 Allante. My primary point is that I=20 don't think my fellow broadcasters have any idea how many car radios=20 are out there. For years, while AM Stereo stations were turning off=20 their generators, car makers were continuing to expand the number=20 and models of radios capable of AM Stereo. If I had to spend the money over again today to convert to AM=20 Stereo, I would do so without a moment's hesitation. Now, about IBOC and my radio station. I have all of 500 watts at=20 900 AM. If I put IBOC on the air, I will degrade my analog signal,=20 and yet I won't get anything from IBOC in full area coverage like=20 what I get from my analog. While I cannot pretend to speak for a=20 larger and more powerful AM station and its impact from IBOC, I know=20 for sure that IBOC is not my answer to long time longevity.=20=20 I do not wish failure for IBOC, but I think it is going to be a=20 failure, at least as far as AM is concerned. Thus, I still urge my=20 fellow broadcasters to turn on their AM Stereo generators, or buy=20 the equipment, and let it be known they are broadcasting in Stereo. AM broadcasters need to stop complaining and start doing some=20 creative programming. With just a little thought and planning, and=20 with today's technology, a "small" station can think and act big.=20 People like the ones on this forum can help by calling the AM=20 stations in their markets and let them know there are people who=20 will listen. Sometime in the next few days, now that we have had time to "fine=20 tune" or audio here, I am going to put up an mp3 aircheck taken from=20 one of our AM stereo tuners. someone who can do so, please compare=20 it to IBOC somewhere. Thanks for letting me ramble. Bill From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Oct 27 08:23:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18368 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 15:22:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2006 15:22:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52203.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.126) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2006 15:22:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 69302 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Oct 2006 15:16:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20061027151613.69300.qmail@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web52203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 08:16:13 PDT Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 08:16:13 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20061027054440.7516.qmail@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM or What kind of radio we want/$$ is the media god X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=9R5QvnEdX5q4BaYRYMD-oUM68ITRnMylGRojt3lA_qU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > I know one effin thing, I don't like any dude > calling > me baby on this forum! And no I am not homophobic > but > dang have some respect! > > -Kevin Bell > Greenville, SC At least no one called you "girlfriend"..... Powell (ducking in Columbia,SC!) w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From amfmdx@qwest.net Fri Oct 27 08:30:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@qwest.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57100 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 15:29:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2006 15:29:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net) (63.231.195.114) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2006 15:29:46 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-03.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-03.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.3]) by mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id 46C5C62202A for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:28:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-174-223.phnx.qwest.net (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (130.13.174.223) by mpls-pop-03.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 27 Oct 2006 15:28:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 08:28:32 -0700 Message-Id: <3798F774-6E7F-4501-9153-3C895058577B@qwest.net> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20061027151613.69300.qmail@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061027151613.69300.qmail@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Originating-IP: 63.231.195.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "kevin redding" Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM or What kind of radio we want/$$ is the media god X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=264393189; y=ztx_YihSbm3oWPptMjQzKReSjroh3gVQuXqGCExbepM7rOgFEQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Oct 27, 2006, at 8:16 AM, Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > At least no one called you "girlfriend"..... Or sweetie.... Kevin ZCZC From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fri Oct 27 14:04:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6575 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 20:58:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2006 20:58:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2006 20:58:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2006 20:53:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2006 20:53:21 -0000 Date: 27 Oct 2006 20:53:21 -0000 Message-ID: <1161982401.32975.45306.w103@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /WNMB Carver TX-11a 15 miles from tran..mp3 Uploaded by : wnmb900 Description : WNMB, North Myrtle Beach, SC 10/27/06 4:45 pm edt 15 miles from transmitter You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/WNMB%20Carver%20TX-11a%2015%20miles%20from%20tran..mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, wnmb900 From wnmb@sc.rr.com Fri Oct 27 14:04:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49643 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 21:02:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2006 21:02:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2006 21:02:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2006 21:01:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2006 21:01:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:01:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.61.218.234 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: AM Stereo aircheck from WNMB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=VWG16PIGUKfldHj5bOgCin0KgBM1MG_mgX9SA71gk3TJpg X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Just added a brief aircheck from WNMB this 10/27/06 at 5 p.m. It was=20 taken about 15 miles from our mighty 500 watt transmitter using a=20 Carver TX=3D11a tuner with a loop antenna stuck on the back. Recorded=20 into SAW program on my laptop and fed to this site. I will do a=20 better one from the studio soon, including one from the mod monitor. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Oct 27 15:23:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14814 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 22:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2006 22:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2006 22:23:49 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:22:42 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:22:36 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:22:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Oct 2006 22:22:42.0028 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B226AC0:01C6FA16] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM Stereo aircheck from WNMB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=tw86mrL2ItHwOfGs6RObufdT_mZLtoXW_dGD5ZuGJdJNvMsqoBc_CG6nM4g X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Hi Bill, that was a great (but all too short) clip. the separation is great. Any station (AM or FM) that plays the Mammas and Pappas, Beatles or 5th Dimension in mono, ought to be ashamed. The Van Morrison song sounded good as well. Donn in Florida, anxiously awaiting the studio clip From: "Bill Norman" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo aircheck from WNMB Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:01:00 -0000 Just added a brief aircheck from WNMB this 10/27/06 at 5 p.m. It was taken about 15 miles from our mighty 500 watt transmitter using a Carver TX=11a tuner with a loop antenna stuck on the back. Recorded into SAW program on my laptop and fed to this site. I will do a better one from the studio soon, including one from the mod monitor. From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Oct 27 15:35:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80983 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 22:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2006 22:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao06.cox.net) (68.230.241.33) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2006 22:34:56 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20061027223430.FEXM6235.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:34:30 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id faaa1V00P2DrW980000000 Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:34:35 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <75109257-A578-40F3-A879-CB5A38E23574@cox.net> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:34:29 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo aircheck from WNMB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=TNUHfPhz3VTjQZoyObCBrz1g7O0Sk3JgKKALxqW43YF1TuZt691t3hBIiRoZ X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Beatles must be in mono. THe stereo records, with vocals only on one channel and instruments only on the other are more than annoying. Of course I don't like the Beatles any more anyway, due to my sister overplaying them in my younger days... Richard On Oct 27, 2006, at 3:22 PM, Donn Tillman wrote: > Hi Bill, that was a great (but all too short) clip. the separation > is great. > > Any station (AM or FM) that plays the Mammas and Pappas, Beatles or > 5th > Dimension in mono, ought to be ashamed. > > The Van Morrison song sounded good as well. > > Donn in Florida, > anxiously awaiting the studio clip > > From: "Bill Norman" > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo aircheck from WNMB > Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:01:00 -0000 > > Just added a brief aircheck from WNMB this 10/27/06 at 5 p.m. It was > taken about 15 miles from our mighty 500 watt transmitter using a > Carver TX=11a tuner with a loop antenna stuck on the back. Recorded > into SAW program on my laptop and fed to this site. I will do a > better one from the studio soon, including one from the mod monitor. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From norbert_1226@msn.com Fri Oct 27 17:01:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: norbert_1226@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29686 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2006 00:01:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2006 00:01:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.228) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2006 00:00:53 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.9.12]) by bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:00:32 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:00:32 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.3 by BAY119-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:00:29 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [norbert_1226@msn.com] X-Sender: norbert_1226@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:00:28 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Oct 2006 00:00:32.0025 (UTC) FILETIME=[15ECE090:01C6FA24] Return-Path: norbert_1226@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Norbert Here" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Clear Channel Owner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=273767829; y=dtqsLbVVKXIgLoMXy-auDsA3oNfgFaNqd-BhqHyYMOLceW2ZBIYzCkN9-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Your busted because i seen right thru the joke after i seen april 1st !!!! I wish it was true !!!! -----Original Message----- From: John P. Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 10:21 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} New Clear Channel Owner Okay, the truth is out - I just bought all the Clear Channel radio empire from the Mays folks, so now I am majority owner! I will be ordering all Clear Channel AM stations to revert to CQUAM, effective April 1, 2007. All of my FM stations will be installing FMEXTRA effective April 1, 2007. (oh, that's April Fool's day, isn't it?) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Oct 27 18:22:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84498 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2006 01:21:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2006 01:21:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s35.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.107) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2006 01:21:33 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.250.73]) by bay0-omc1-s35.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:19:59 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:20:45 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 70.89.96.158 by BAY115-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 01:20:42 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:19:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Oct 2006 01:20:45.0625 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B0DF290:01C6FA2F] Return-Path: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.107 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR Processing / Questions?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=tKOJigiWaA7f_9yt8txTyhK1ffv_fG7G7SEu_-ijII4XDOy0mmYsRaM-sgBm7g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: > Now there'll be all nighters conjuring up the spirits of Linux when > something goes wrong. Just be glad Harris didn't use Micro$oft "Wonders" as the "brain"! Kevin in Fort Lauderdale From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Oct 27 18:30:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26850 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2006 01:24:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2006 01:24:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s8.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.80) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2006 01:24:10 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.250.78]) by bay0-omc1-s8.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:20:05 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:20:05 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 70.89.96.158 by BAY115-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 01:20:01 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:20:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Oct 2006 01:20:05.0418 (UTC) FILETIME=[3316D8A0:01C6FA2F] Return-Path: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.80 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR Processing / Questions?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=YRYGC4Nf_Y0AC1SuOP5RnP3pKNRB7RavNRxj6Br__nxxXpaRH1hk0WL2E-s87Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: >They pinpointed the exact location of the 710 Cuban transmitter...and based >on field strength measurements, stated that it was about 1 Million Watts >ERP. Cuba also has LOTS of technical glitches on AM 710. Often it has a hum in the audio. Sometimes they patch the wrong audio feed to it so you may hear Roloj, Rebelde, Progreso, Radio Havana Cuba International, and even a "Numbers Station"! Often you can hear cross-talk from other Cuban radio stations in the background. Kevin in Fort Lauderdale From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Oct 27 18:31:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84875 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2006 01:21:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2006 01:21:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s32.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.104) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2006 01:21:22 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.250.90]) by bay0-omc1-s32.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:20:10 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:20:10 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 70.89.96.158 by BAY115-DAV18.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 01:20:08 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:20:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Oct 2006 01:20:10.0341 (UTC) FILETIME=[36060950:01C6FA2F] Return-Path: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR Processing / Questions?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=kpiuDzKbeqLNGPTGiBtd6gj3cdsB5Vo7Ssa1bNJy2NOjbtPDeqlBwbmvPcthmQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Donn Tillman wrote: > Hi Kevin, in Fort Lauderdale,If I'm not mistaken, the transmitter and > towers for WAQI 710 are just south of Miramar, in Miami/Dade, but almost > on the county line with Broward. I am 20.2 Miles East-Northeast of the WAQI antenna farm > > Here is St Pete, It's a battle of the signals between Cuba and WAQI both > day and night. Between those two battling it out, I've never been able to > receive WOR here. WOR is hopeless anywhere in Florida. When I was living in Rural Greenville County in South Carolina 710 was a battle between Cuba and WOR. When WOR and WLW did the night time HD-Radio test, the sidebands of WOR were MUCH stronger than the actual signal on 710. WOR was even hashing CHWO 740! WOR was putting a good bit of hash into WLW and between Cuba and WLW's digital sideband, 710 was a lost cause. Needless to say WGN 720 was wiped out as well as CINF 690. Kevin in Fort Lauderdale From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Oct 27 21:58:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3549 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2006 04:57:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2006 04:57:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.157) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2006 04:57:20 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2006 04:55:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2006 04:55:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2006 04:55:59 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:55:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <75109257-A578-40F3-A879-CB5A38E23574@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.69 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo aircheck from WNMB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=8L61lgwyWBFiEgwSChatE2OStpWM2W9X7cSxPgHRGce8TRXEfw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner =20 wrote: > > Beatles must be in mono. THe stereo records, with vocals only on=20 one=20=20 > channel and instruments only on the other are more than annoying. >=20 > Of course I don't like the Beatles any more anyway, due to my=20 sister=20=20 > overplaying them in my younger days... >=20 > Richard >=20 > On Oct 27, 2006, at 3:22 PM, Donn Tillman wrote: >=20 > > Hi Bill, that was a great (but all too short) clip. the=20 separation=20=20 > > is great. > > > > Any station (AM or FM) that plays the Mammas and Pappas, Beatles=20 or=20=20 > > 5th > > Dimension in mono, ought to be ashamed. > > > > The Van Morrison song sounded good as well. > > > > Donn in Florida, > > anxiously awaiting the studio clip > > > > From: "Bill Norman" > > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo aircheck from WNMB > > Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:01:00 -0000 > > > > Just added a brief aircheck from WNMB this 10/27/06 at 5 p.m. It=20 was > > taken about 15 miles from our mighty 500 watt transmitter using a > > Carver TX=3D11a tuner with a loop antenna stuck on the back.=20 Recorded > > into SAW program on my laptop and fed to this site. I will do a > > better one from the studio soon, including one from the mod=20 monitor. > > > > Beatles were/are and still will be the best not because they were the=20 best musician, but they made the best mixing between good quality=20 music and good business management. So, they got the best performance=20 despite of all limitations of their age. But I wanna talk about the excellent stereo image of your recording.=20 I think it's so great. Congratulations! But, there is an strange phenomenon from the recording, Bill: If you see your "air check" recording into an spectrum analyzer, you=20 will see an amplitude modulated 15 kHz subcarrier... ??? From where?=20 It's so hard it was produced by your TX or Stereo generator due to=20 the AM audio bandwidth and the NRSC filter. I don't think it's due to=20 the MP3 format. Maybe your PC sound card bug? Maybe your AM Stereo=20 receiver bug? If you filter your recording with the well-known Cool Edit Pro FFT=20 filter to remove all frecuencies below 10 kHz, you'll get a pure 15=20 kHz subcarrier with a low rate of amplitude modulation (with the=20 audio bandwidth as source), so rare. Of course, if you remove all the frecuencies above 9 kHz, you'll get=20 your pure AM Stereo sound. I insist it's so good (despite some=20 background noise due to the distance and your low power). Congratulations to transmit beautiful music and AM Stereo!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Sat Oct 28 04:14:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63241 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2006 11:13:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2006 11:13:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2006 11:13:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2006 11:12:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2006 11:12:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 11:12:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.244.138.249 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: AM Stereo aircheck from WNMB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=_ep0wpbSFFWjj1B-Z6F3J2TVX_MQXWq0JU3Yxu1Min6FHgqD8Mel X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Bill, You write: >Just added a brief aircheck from WNMB this 10/27/06 at 5 p.m. It >was taken about 15 miles from our mighty 500 watt transmitter=20 >using a Carver TX=3D11a tuner with a loop antenna stuck on the=20 >back. Recorded into SAW program on my laptop and fed to this=20 >site. I will do a better one from the studio soon, including one=20 >from the mod monitor. Your aircheck sounds very nice. What is a SAW program? I never heard a poor sounding AM stereo station from a Carver=20 TX-11a tuner!=20=20 For audition and comparison, listen to these eight CFCO=20 recordings from a Meduci AMX-2000 tuner connected directly to my=20 Dell PC sound card, without any additional equalization or any=20 equipment to colorize the off-air sound. This was recorded 60=20 miles from the CFCO daytime transmitter site, in the dead of=20 winter, and not from the main antenna lobe. Put these airchecks into your computer analysis programs, and let me know any deficiencies. You should not see any 15kHz=20 birdies.=20=20=20=20 One point worth mentioning is that the air dielectric variable tuning capacitor and other AMX-2000 enhancements faithfully reproduce the bass notes. Not using hyper abrupt varactor tuning diodes, microprocessor, and synthezizer contribute to better noise floor, and less phase noise addition to the reproduced=20 stereo audio fidelity.=20=20 http://Meduci.com/CFCO-02-03-06-meduci-amx2000_1.mp3=20 http://Meduci.com/CFCO-02-03-06-meduci-amx2000_2.mp3=20 http://Meduci.com/CFCO-02-03-06-meduci-amx2000_3.mp3=20 http://Meduci.com/CFCO-02-03-06-meduci-amx2000_4.mp3=20 http://Meduci.com/CFCO-02-03-06-meduci-amx2000_5.mp3=20 http://Meduci.com/CFCO-02-03-06-meduci-amx2000_6.mp3=20 http://Meduci.com/CFCO-02-03-06-meduci-amx2000_7.mp3=20 http://Meduci.com/CFCO-02-03-06-meduci-amx2000_8.mp3=20 Thank you for listening. Sincerely, Jeff Deck=20 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Oct 28 11:40:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12197 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2006 18:38:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2006 18:38:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.161) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2006 18:38:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 52413 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Oct 2006 18:37:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20061028183738.52411.qmail@web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.240.134.122] by web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 11:37:38 PDT Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 11:37:38 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=Zk_v6kQwXn3kRyBzIEjaZw9VGjTMVX6uq50s-hRnd5f7bXGNkrNTMSU X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Nice, pleasant-sounding audio - actually sounds better than most XM stations! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! 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Subject: Re: It's been almost a year! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=vJ-2NwxzpcVMA_ggOOJnnBbRFYk4wCwn97u3M_y2Rf6zH094_V-ihlQ X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Bill, Your post up to the last paragraph would be a great letter for Radio World. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Low, Low, Low Rates! Check out Yahoo! Messenger's cheap PC-to-Phone call rates (http://voice.yahoo.com) From bugsfan8898@yahoo.com Sat Oct 28 11:43:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bugsfan8898@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95372 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2006 18:42:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2006 18:42:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.26) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2006 18:42:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2006 18:40:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2006 18:40:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 18:40:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.44.13.211 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: WOR Processing / Questions?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=216504638; y=dzpuiKPfihkvTg2pHwNoW45I-1FYmMStYNv9ola0j9JtUefJOhQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bugsfan8898 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > Up here, there are places within the WOR coverage area where you > cannot listen to the station...like here at my house...because of the > Cuban interference. I asked the FCC to do a study. They pinpointed > the exact location of the 710 Cuban transmitter...and based on field > strength measurements, stated that it was about 1 Million Watts ERP.=20 > Unfortunately, because it's a foreign country, there's not a damn > thing we can do about it. Ain't that special? >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > I live in upstate NY, near Poughkeepsie, and WOR is unlistenable at night because of interference with that Cuban station.=20 From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Oct 28 14:27:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57634 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2006 21:27:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2006 21:27:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2006 21:27:25 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.67]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 127151392 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:23:29 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <005201c6fad7$88bae460$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:25:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.208.67 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR Processing / Questions?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=YNJ8ICtijRVEYsLfv02XaViQyX3EIBUNx91HoPfaCLFUV2_BwSix X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You mean you couldn't buy your own drone and load it with a few hundred pounds of C4 and fly it under the radar into the Cuban tower? ;) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ray" They pinpointed > the exact location of the 710 Cuban transmitter...and based on field > strength measurements, stated that it was about 1 Million Watts ERP. > Unfortunately, because it's a foreign country, there's not a damn > thing we can do about it. Ain't that special? From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Oct 28 14:45:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55835 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2006 21:44:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2006 21:44:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2006 21:44:12 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.67]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 126615892 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:40:40 -0500 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <006c01c6fad9$ef070620$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:42:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 1, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.67 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} It's been almost a year! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=8Doi-4ZjK2ayXJWg5DfmTizFfsqYuGREcvZTFUyTX2tmW8g16T4a X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Excellent thoughts, Bill. Too bad there aren't more AM stereo generators still in the racks, and far more that never had one to begin with. There's a station here that recently went black gospel, but unfortunately it would be a herculean job to make it stereo. Their STL is a Comrex Nexus mono ISDN codec and their processor is an old Orban 9000 and their program source is actually a feed off the internet. The transmitter is a Harris SX-5, fortunately. I don't think the format will last long as the signal isn't very good where the most black people live. At least it puts a good signal where I am because I like listening to it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Norman" Thus, I still urge my > fellow broadcasters to turn on their AM Stereo generators, or buy > the equipment, and let it be known they are broadcasting in Stereo. > AM broadcasters need to stop complaining and start doing some > creative programming. With just a little thought and planning, and > with today's technology, a "small" station can think and act big. > People like the ones on this forum can help by calling the AM > stations in their markets and let them know there are people who > will listen. From tomray@wor710.com Sun Oct 29 07:43:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33924 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2006 15:42:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2006 15:42:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.195) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2006 15:42:38 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2006 15:41:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2006 15:41:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2006 15:41:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 15:41:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: WOR Processing / Questions?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=_L7u4wx0w_gVXF762p7O0BuQosg-HU2fq62cwIDks3nIofbU X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > >=20 > I live in upstate NY, near Poughkeepsie, and WOR is unlistenable at > night because of interference with that Cuban station. > Jeez, Chris...we're not that "upstate". I live in New Windsor...my son goes to college in Poughkeepsie..... And Fidel has been playing some lovely music lately, hasn't he? Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Sun Oct 29 07:44:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90983 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2006 15:43:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2006 15:43:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2006 15:43:53 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n8.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2006 15:42:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2006 15:42:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2006 15:42:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 15:42:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: WOR Processing / Questions?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=x3I367Wl512qIh3ZT-zrf_ZMS1YIWsFhSsmTQ8RUUAzt8vPz X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > >=20 > I live in upstate NY, near Poughkeepsie, and WOR is unlistenable at > night because of interference with that Cuban station. > I wonder if Fidel has to pay BMI and ASCAP royalty fees for what he plays...... Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Sun Oct 29 07:44:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93814 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2006 15:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2006 15:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2006 15:44:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2006 15:43:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2006 15:43:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 15:43:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005201c6fad7$88bae460$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: WOR Processing / Questions?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=tKYgTTOtHGg_GftmZqhqIOn5Cn_qOM1tKoAcZCrE0_nsSyap X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > You mean you couldn't buy your own drone and load it with a few hundred > pounds of C4 and fly it under the radar into the Cuban tower? ;) >=20 Don't think that hasn't been considered..... Tom Ray WOR From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Oct 30 15:22:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32335 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2006 23:21:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2006 23:21:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52203.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.126) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2006 23:21:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 35198 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Oct 2006 23:20:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20061030232033.35196.qmail@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.76] by web52203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:20:33 PST Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:20:33 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Attention Chris Cuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=_Dd6sDrXSO1W4JbXxRNBd_Vls8y2diWSfZtv90npTig X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Please contact me offline ASAP. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Oct 30 18:03:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7347 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2006 02:03:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2006 02:03:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.25) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2006 02:03:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2006 02:00:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2006 02:00:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 02:00:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.250.43.101 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: WOR Processing / Questions?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=6LAgSR4fnjr2wTBX60xGQhXJEUBJuuomV_kVesz0uqNt9-7uIg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > Jeez, Chris...we're not that "upstate". I live in New Windsor...my > son goes to college in Poughkeepsie..... >=20 > And Fidel has been playing some lovely music lately, hasn't he? Given the choice between Communist marching songs from Cuba and colon=20 cleanser infomercials from WOR, I think I'd go with Fidel on that=20 one. And for the record, anything north of Westchester and/or west of=20 Rockland is "upstate" New York. From badeditpro@charter.net Mon Oct 30 22:24:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91537 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2006 06:24:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2006 06:24:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf17.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.217) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2006 06:23:59 -0000 Received: from mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.137]) by mxsf17.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k9V6NXVA006912 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:23:33 -0500 Received: from 68-115-177-184.dhcp.rnrp.nc.charter.com (HELO yourfd6nvjcer4) ([68.115.177.184]) by mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 31 Oct 2006 01:23:32 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,373,1157342400"; d="scan'208,217"; a="912310997:sNHT502224628" Message-ID: <000801c6fcb5$168f0670$b8b17344@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:23:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.28.217 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?CD's/Digital_Media?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=-RAYYDC0QLGTjtk6yVVXJqJMvpDDDOle1-Vao3XoBfK-uICKa0AKKj3gufjP X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just finished reading a novel where the subject was time travel. One of the things I found interesting was the fact that the time traveler lamented the loss of most of the recorded music from 1995 through the middle of the 21st century because of the unstable storage media for digital audio. It certainly makes one stop and think. Truth be told, there is no other storage format with the potential longevity of the manufactured CD. Sure, it's only capable of 16 bit resolution but most folks couldn't care less anyhow. DVD's is a fragile media when compared to CD because of the high data density. CD's hold straight PCM data with no intermediate compression techniques and all that linier data is spread over a pretty large surface area. That makes it far more resistant to nicks and scratches than DVD could ever be. Most of the music being downloaded now won't be around 10 or 20 years from now.. Average consumers do not practice any real data conservation and hard drives crash. It's not a matter of if but when. The average person does not think about the consequences of a major failure and they certainly do not install mirrored servers to store all this music they are paying good money for. Burning to CD-R is a iffy proposition as well. No one is really sure how long CD-R's will be around. Especially CD-RW's, they tend to just fade away with time. What I find really alarming is the stories I hear about people archiving on DVD-R. Now there's a fragile format! An entire generartion is going to pretty much lose the music of their youth. They don't care now but they will. . Mass produced CD's are very stable because they are pressed like vinyl records. Well preserved 78's from 100 years ago can still be played with good quality reproduction. Of course, the word 'quality' is relative when you consider the primitive acoustic recording techniques of the day. Still, it is fair to say that any undamaged 45 or LP from years past will still be playable for years to come. If stored properly and handled with care, CD's should be playable 100 years from now. I have many that are now approaching 23 years old and they play just as well as they did when I got them in the early 80's. I maintain an audio archive on hard drive but I am in no hurry to get rid of my CD's. MP3's are a handy storage format and they can sound very good with high bit rates and quality encoding but I know they can't last forever. Keep your CD's Keep your tapes, too. It's nice to archive stuff to CD for convenience but don't count on those CD-R's outlasting a cassette. I have a few cassettes that are more than 30 years old now and they are still holding up surprisingly well. Curiously, most of the open reel tapes I had are gone. It turns out that most of the tape sold in the 80's, when I was doing most of my reel-to-reel recording, became unplayable very quickly indeed. Tapes from as much as 50 years ago can still play today but the tape formulations were so simple then. In the late 70's tape manufacturers toyed with new binders and back coating that simply broke down with time. It is called sticky-shed syndrome by audio archivists. Trying to play reels of tape from that time often ends in disaster. The oxide just sloughs off on the heads and you get this incredible scraping and screeching. The heads finally get clogged and the tape will sometimes even break or stretch because it gets stuck in the goo. I lost a ton of stuff to sticky-shed.. I was able to bake a few tapes. Yes, you literally put them in an oven and bake them overnight at low heat to get the excess water out of the binder. You usually get one good play out of the tape before it starts shedding again. I destroyed a few tapes doing that too! Could be I'm just old fashioned or paranoid but I don't trust most digital media. It is a quandary. Maybe we better get started carving ones and zeros into stone tablets for posterity to be able to reconstruct the digital audio and video of today.. I think it would behoove someone to come up with a truly permanent and passive media for data one that does not require moving parts or self power to extract the information. Oh, wait. That sounds something like a pressed CD. But the CD is dead. Oh, well. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Oct 31 01:06:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26421 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2006 09:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2006 09:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2006 09:06:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 22306 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Oct 2006 09:05:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20061031090510.22304.qmail@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.147.62.17] by web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:05:10 PST Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:05:10 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000801c6fcb5$168f0670$b8b17344@yourfd6nvjcer4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} CD's/Digital Media X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=tdkD28due7_-pkSlc0iH9nPDjuppdLlPrvAiwiFqLW4A6jSHJPge X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Joe, You made some good points. I am in agreement. I am 32 so I grew up on vinyl, tape, and CD's the latter two being the most. What really shocks me are studios who record the masters in digital reel to reel. Those digital reel to reels arent like their analogue counterparts. With digital its either there or it isnt, just listen to a DAT that has a bad place on it. It goes completely silent. Now with analogue the tape mihgt be worn or lose some gain in places but SOMETHING is still there and recoverable. That is why I still use a lot of cassettes. Yes I have Minidisc and CD recorders and they can be used nicely with decent results but that is if handled and stored carefully. I think the longest storage might actually be master pressings in gold of records. I remember they placed some music and other information on a gold record in one of the space probes of the late 70s so that intelligent life could possibly hear things from the earth. That is if there is life out there! Anyway those grooves should hold up if they arent overplayed. Perhaps with astute care records like taht might outlast tape. Who really knows? Some would say things like storing things on chips. Well yeah it would last until a strong magnetic force or EMP rendered if useless. Oh and you can't forget static electricity. So theres that storage medium out the window. I cannot believe kids today and these MP3's!!!! I mean yes the hard drive dies then all the music you bought is gone forever and you have to repurchase it! Yeah that is a way the record companies can make even more!! They are smart that way! I haven't yet purchased an Ipod. I thought about purchasing one to use only for when I exercise or go for a run. It would NOT be a serious medium for me. Perhaps, and I hope, that MP3 players will one day be a collectors item and a bygone format. I just don't see wasting money in them. If I had an Ipod it would only be to transfer songs from my favourite CDs over to it for my personal use when running. It's hard to say what lasts the longest for sure. The only thing I know is that I have cassettes I made years ago and they still sound great. Now I do take astute care of them and keep my heads clean on my decks. To me, and maybe im just a nut, but it's easier to edit on a cassette deck than a CD deck. That is unless you use a computer in conjunction and set everything in order first. For off the fly recording i'd much rather have a tape deck. I have taken some stuff on tape I have and made great CD's with it that sound really good. I use those mixes in the car and on the go. At any rate the sad thing is these kids today will eventually lose their MP3's as you said. The other part that bothers me about downloading MP3's is that you get no album artwork or information. Kids today are a different breed altogether. They are very much in the here and now and don't think about down the road and preserving their favourite music. One thing that I have done with CD is making a jukebox. I have one of the sony 300 cd changers. I have made copies (yes it's legal to make a backup copy for your personal use!) of 300 of my favorite CD's and just leave them in their for my music jukebox. Those changers are good for that! Other formats such as SACD were an interesting idea but i'm sure it suffers much easier from scratches due to the high rate of information stored in less space just as the DVD. I never saw the point in SACD though and replacing all my CD's. I predicted it would be a dead format in no time and it is. It never made sense to me for all these CD makers to go back and make 5.1 mixes of 1960's music. 5.1 isn't what the original artist intended and that music was recorded and intended for 2 channel playback. To do it otherwise such as 5.1 is nothing more than a bastardized remix. It is NOT the 60's sound. 60's sound is 2 channel stereo and should remain that way. I've heard some of these 5.1 mixes of 60s bands and I wanted to hurl. It just wasn't authentic. The only thing remixed that sounded great was the beach boys Pet Sounds and it was remixed to stereo having been recorded originally in mono in 1966. They took out all the original master tapes and remixed the individual tracks and resynced them and made a stereo mix. The interesting thing is that it sounds as if it were recorded that way originally in the mix because they mixed it to have an authentic 60s stereo effect. I learned all that throught he liner notes!!! Yes see there is a reason to have liner notes kids of today!!! You learn all sorts of interesting information! Joe I enjoyed reading your post and I hope you enjoyed mine just as much! Take care buddy! Kevin Bell Greenville, South Carolina --- Joe Collins wrote: > I just finished reading a novel where the subject > was time travel. One of the things I found > interesting was the fact that the time traveler > lamented the loss of most of the recorded music from > 1995 through the middle of the 21st century because > of the unstable storage media for digital audio. It > certainly makes one stop and think. > > > > Truth be told, there is no other storage format with > the potential longevity of the manufactured CD. > Sure, it's only capable of 16 bit resolution but > most folks couldn't care less anyhow. DVD's is a > fragile media when compared to CD because of the > high data density. CD's hold straight PCM data with > no intermediate compression techniques and all that > linier data is spread over a pretty large surface > area. That makes it far more resistant to nicks and > scratches than DVD could ever be. > > > > Most of the music being downloaded now won't be > around 10 or 20 years from now.. Average consumers > do not practice any real data conservation and hard > drives crash. It's not a matter of if but when. > The average person does not think about the > consequences of a major failure and they certainly > do not install mirrored servers to store all this > music they are paying good money for. Burning to > CD-R is a iffy proposition as well. No one is > really sure how long CD-R's will be around. > Especially CD-RW's, they tend to just fade away with > time. What I find really alarming is the stories I > hear about people archiving on DVD-R. Now there's a > fragile format! An entire generartion is going to > pretty much lose the music of their youth. They > don't care now but they will. . > > > > Mass produced CD's are very stable because they are > pressed like vinyl records. Well preserved 78's from > 100 years ago can still be played with good quality > reproduction. Of course, the word 'quality' is > relative when you consider the primitive acoustic > recording techniques of the day. Still, it is fair > to say that any undamaged 45 or LP from years past > will still be playable for years to come. If stored > properly and handled with care, CD's should be > playable 100 years from now. I have many that are > now approaching 23 years old and they play just as > well as they did when I got them in the early 80's. > I maintain an audio archive on hard drive but I am > in no hurry to get rid of my CD's. MP3's are a handy > storage format and they can sound very good with > high bit rates and quality encoding but I know they > can't last forever. Keep your CD's > > > > Keep your tapes, too. It's nice to archive stuff to > CD for convenience but don't count on those CD-R's > outlasting a cassette. I have a few cassettes that > are more than 30 years old now and they are still > holding up surprisingly well. Curiously, most of > the open reel tapes I had are gone. It turns out > that most of the tape sold in the 80's, when I was > doing most of my reel-to-reel recording, became > unplayable very quickly indeed. Tapes from as much > as 50 years ago can still play today but the tape > formulations were so simple then. In the late 70's > tape manufacturers toyed with new binders and back > coating that simply broke down with time. It is > called sticky-shed syndrome by audio archivists. > Trying to play reels of tape from that time often > ends in disaster. The oxide just sloughs off on the > heads and you get this incredible scraping and > screeching. The heads finally get clogged and the > tape will sometimes even break or stretch because it > gets stuck in the goo. I lost a ton of stuff to > sticky-shed.. I was able to bake a few tapes. Yes, > you literally put them in an oven and bake them > overnight at low heat to get the excess water out of > the binder. You usually get one good play out of > the tape before it starts shedding again. I > destroyed a few tapes doing that too! > > > > Could be I'm just old fashioned or paranoid but I > don't trust most digital media. It is a quandary. > Maybe we better get started carving ones and zeros > into stone tablets for posterity to be able to > reconstruct the digital audio and video of today.. I > think it would behoove someone to come up with a > truly permanent and passive media for data one that > does not require moving parts or self power to > extract the information. Oh, wait. That sounds > something like a pressed CD. But the CD is dead. > Oh, well. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ We have the perfect Group for you. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups (http://groups.yahoo.com) From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Oct 31 02:27:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88177 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2006 10:26:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2006 10:26:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2006 10:26:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2006 10:25:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2006 10:25:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:25:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.88 From: "jotape1960" Subject: AM Stereo Stations Air Check Recordings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=re8Zm-ot-CN89YeOwPGyJ_jnemClkw4QCK_iBwEnuzQ068V9yA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI AM STEREO FANS!!! I put my hands into the WNMB air check recording to try to reduce the=20 background noise with digital tools. The result was a file I uploaded=20 to the files menu of the group. However, I don't like it because we=20 lose a lot of high frecuency with the noise reduction tricks. I wanna know if there is (are) some analog AM receiver(s), mono or=20 stereo, with real time digital processing to reduce the noise and which=20 price range it has. Thanks for your time!!! GOD bless you all!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Oct 31 02:51:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39771 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2006 10:48:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2006 10:48:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.21) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2006 10:48:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2006 10:48:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2006 10:48:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:48:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.88 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Oops!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=5S4_GxbsERI9UHt3DiOrWqFLI7N00ujpw7KihK_weUR3-dyBvw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Oops! Sorry but I couldn't upload the aircheck filtered mp3 file because the=20 files capacity of the forum is full!!! What can we do? Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From tomray@wor710.com Tue Oct 31 06:13:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78505 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2006 14:12:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2006 14:12:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2006 14:12:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2006 14:09:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2006 14:09:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:09:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: WOR Processing / Questions?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=c4GRxtcT1KSpRSzQ9_R0wnZ9L33ZOnqBH8_x2o8KxSXS4NnY X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: >=20 > Given the choice between Communist marching songs from Cuba and colon=20 > cleanser infomercials from WOR, I think I'd go with Fidel on that=20 > one. Ya never know when one of those colon cleansers will come in handy...especially after a large Thanksgiving meal! >=20 > And for the record, anything north of Westchester and/or west of=20 > Rockland is "upstate" New York. > To a New Jerseyite. To those of us who schlep into the City every day from this area, it ain't upstate. Tom Ray WOR From norbert_1226@msn.com Tue Oct 31 06:14:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: norbert_1226@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35320 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2006 14:09:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2006 14:09:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s7.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.79) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2006 14:09:50 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.9.13]) by bay0-omc1-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:04:27 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:04:27 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.4 by BAY119-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:04:25 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [norbert_1226@msn.com] X-Sender: norbert_1226@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:04:25 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2006 14:04:27.0525 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A464350:01C6FCF5] Return-Path: norbert_1226@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.79 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Norbert Here" Subject: Re: {AMSF} CD's/Digital Media X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=273767829; y=lQEyIfq3ydeyzzAX6XFJjGi3VXbsh4epVVqXddZxCzlRmYH2-NVyY3ogcg X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I too grew up with records (33 45 and even a few old 78s) 8 tracks and cassettes and later the CD. I had to narrow these down due to storage space cosiderations. I now use just cassettes and CDs. If i like all of an album i bought it on CD. I may make a cassette copy as well however cassettes are usally used for home brewed recording. Cassettes 20 years old still play fine . in 20 years i have lost ONE cassette that became unplayable after i Spilled tooth ache liquid on it during a bad tooth ache years ago. As far as the PC goes i never considered that as an audio system at least for storage. I transfer it out VIA analog to a cassette and store it there. -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Bell Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 4:05 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} CD's/Digital Media Joe, You made some good points. I am in agreement. I am 32 so I grew up on vinyl, tape, and CD's the latter two being the most. What really shocks me are studios who record the masters in digital reel to reel. Those digital reel to reels arent like their analogue counterparts. With digital its either there or it isnt, just listen to a DAT that has a bad place on it. It goes completely silent. Now with analogue the tape mihgt be worn or lose some gain in places but SOMETHING is still there and recoverable. That is why I still use a lot of cassettes. Yes I have Minidisc and CD recorders and they can be used nicely with decent results but that is if handled and stored carefully. I think the longest storage might actually be master pressings in gold of records. I remember they placed some music and other information on a gold record in one of the space probes of the late 70s so that intelligent life could possibly hear things from the earth. That is if there is life out there! Anyway those grooves should hold up if they arent overplayed. Perhaps with astute care records like taht might outlast tape. Who really knows? Some would say things like storing things on chips. Well yeah it would last until a strong magnetic force or EMP rendered if useless. Oh and you can't forget static electricity. So theres that storage medium out the window. I cannot believe kids today and these MP3's!!!! I mean yes the hard drive dies then all the music you bought is gone forever and you have to repurchase it! Yeah that is a way the record companies can make even more!! They are smart that way! I haven't yet purchased an Ipod. I thought about purchasing one to use only for when I exercise or go for a run. It would NOT be a serious medium for me. Perhaps, and I hope, that MP3 players will one day be a collectors item and a bygone format. I just don't see wasting money in them. If I had an Ipod it would only be to transfer songs from my favourite CDs over to it for my personal use when running. It's hard to say what lasts the longest for sure. The only thing I know is that I have cassettes I made years ago and they still sound great. Now I do take astute care of them and keep my heads clean on my decks. To me, and maybe im just a nut, but it's easier to edit on a cassette deck than a CD deck. That is unless you use a computer in conjunction and set everything in order first. For off the fly recording i'd much rather have a tape deck. I have taken some stuff on tape I have and made great CD's with it that sound really good. I use those mixes in the car and on the go. At any rate the sad thing is these kids today will eventually lose their MP3's as you said. The other part that bothers me about downloading MP3's is that you get no album artwork or information. Kids today are a different breed altogether. They are very much in the here and now and don't think about down the road and preserving their favourite music. One thing that I have done with CD is making a jukebox. I have one of the sony 300 cd changers. I have made copies (yes it's legal to make a backup copy for your personal use!) of 300 of my favorite CD's and just leave them in their for my music jukebox. Those changers are good for that! Other formats such as SACD were an interesting idea but i'm sure it suffers much easier from scratches due to the high rate of information stored in less space just as the DVD. I never saw the point in SACD though and replacing all my CD's. I predicted it would be a dead format in no time and it is. It never made sense to me for all these CD makers to go back and make 5.1 mixes of 1960's music. 5.1 isn't what the original artist intended and that music was recorded and intended for 2 channel playback. To do it otherwise such as 5.1 is nothing more than a bastardized remix. It is NOT the 60's sound. 60's sound is 2 channel stereo and should remain that way. I've heard some of these 5.1 mixes of 60s bands and I wanted to hurl. It just wasn't authentic. The only thing remixed that sounded great was the beach boys Pet Sounds and it was remixed to stereo having been recorded originally in mono in 1966. They took out all the original master tapes and remixed the individual tracks and resynced them and made a stereo mix. The interesting thing is that it sounds as if it were recorded that way originally in the mix because they mixed it to have an authentic 60s stereo effect. I learned all that throught he liner notes!!! Yes see there is a reason to have liner notes kids of today!!! You learn all sorts of interesting information! Joe I enjoyed reading your post and I hope you enjoyed mine just as much! Take care buddy! Kevin Bell Greenville, South Carolina --- Joe Collins wrote: > I just finished reading a novel where the subject > was time travel. One of the things I found > interesting was the fact that the time traveler > lamented the loss of most of the recorded music from > 1995 through the middle of the 21st century because > of the unstable storage media for digital audio. It > certainly makes one stop and think. > > > > Truth be told, there is no other storage format with > the potential longevity of the manufactured CD. > Sure, it's only capable of 16 bit resolution but > most folks couldn't care less anyhow. DVD's is a > fragile media when compared to CD because of the > high data density. CD's hold straight PCM data with > no intermediate compression techniques and all that > linier data is spread over a pretty large surface > area. That makes it far more resistant to nicks and > scratches than DVD could ever be. > > > > Most of the music being downloaded now won't be > around 10 or 20 years from now.. Average consumers > do not practice any real data conservation and hard > drives crash. It's not a matter of if but when. > The average person does not think about the > consequences of a major failure and they certainly > do not install mirrored servers to store all this > music they are paying good money for. Burning to > CD-R is a iffy proposition as well. No one is > really sure how long CD-R's will be around. > Especially CD-RW's, they tend to just fade away with > time. What I find really alarming is the stories I > hear about people archiving on DVD-R. Now there's a > fragile format! An entire generartion is going to > pretty much lose the music of their youth. They > don't care now but they will. . > > > > Mass produced CD's are very stable because they are > pressed like vinyl records. Well preserved 78's from > 100 years ago can still be played with good quality > reproduction. Of course, the word 'quality' is > relative when you consider the primitive acoustic > recording techniques of the day. Still, it is fair > to say that any undamaged 45 or LP from years past > will still be playable for years to come. If stored > properly and handled with care, CD's should be > playable 100 years from now. I have many that are > now approaching 23 years old and they play just as > well as they did when I got them in the early 80's. > I maintain an audio archive on hard drive but I am > in no hurry to get rid of my CD's. MP3's are a handy > storage format and they can sound very good with > high bit rates and quality encoding but I know they > can't last forever. Keep your CD's > > > > Keep your tapes, too. It's nice to archive stuff to > CD for convenience but don't count on those CD-R's > outlasting a cassette. I have a few cassettes that > are more than 30 years old now and they are still > holding up surprisingly well. Curiously, most of > the open reel tapes I had are gone. It turns out > that most of the tape sold in the 80's, when I was > doing most of my reel-to-reel recording, became > unplayable very quickly indeed. Tapes from as much > as 50 years ago can still play today but the tape > formulations were so simple then. In the late 70's > tape manufacturers toyed with new binders and back > coating that simply broke down with time. It is > called sticky-shed syndrome by audio archivists. > Trying to play reels of tape from that time often > ends in disaster. The oxide just sloughs off on the > heads and you get this incredible scraping and > screeching. The heads finally get clogged and the > tape will sometimes even break or stretch because it > gets stuck in the goo. I lost a ton of stuff to > sticky-shed.. I was able to bake a few tapes. Yes, > you literally put them in an oven and bake them > overnight at low heat to get the excess water out of > the binder. You usually get one good play out of > the tape before it starts shedding again. I > destroyed a few tapes doing that too! > > > > Could be I'm just old fashioned or paranoid but I > don't trust most digital media. It is a quandary. > Maybe we better get started carving ones and zeros > into stone tablets for posterity to be able to > reconstruct the digital audio and video of today.. I > think it would behoove someone to come up with a > truly permanent and passive media for data one that > does not require moving parts or self power to > extract the information. Oh, wait. That sounds > something like a pressed CD. But the CD is dead. > Oh, well. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ We have the perfect Group for you. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups (http://groups.yahoo.com) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Tue Oct 31 12:32:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58699 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2006 20:14:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2006 20:14:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2006 20:14:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2006 20:14:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2006 20:14:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:14:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: WOR Processing / Questions?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=bsqwRyBlOOVqdHp_DduYK60FVx7Fp6bUMlkfsPK9ANprmbTz X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Speaking of colon cleansers.... One of the funniest things I ever heard occurred on one of the local stations "up here" that my wife listens to. They accidentally overprogrammed a break in the automation. So this commercial comes on for a place that specializes in colonoscopies. A few seconds into the spot, the network unmuted and John Denver's Annie's Song started under the local colonoscopy spot. At the beginning of the spot, you really couldn't tell what they were hawking....and right before John Denver started singing, the line was "for the best colonoscopy experience you'll ever have". That's when John started singing, "you fill up my senses.....". It couldn't have been talked up better if they tried.=20 I just about drove off the road. Tom Ray WOR From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Tue Oct 31 16:54:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 80869 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2006 00:43:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2006 00:43:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.195) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2006 00:43:34 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2006 00:43:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2006 00:43:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2006 00:43:23 -0000 Date: 1 Nov 2006 00:43:21 -0000 Message-ID: <1162341801.44125.15827.w105@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /WNMB.mp3 Uploaded by : kevtronics Description : Carver TX-11a AM Stereo recording of WNMB, digitally processed for less noise and better audio. This is how an ideal DSP-based C-Quam AM Stereo receiver would sound. You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/WNMB.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, kevtronics From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Nov 01 20:50:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52776 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2006 04:49:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2006 04:49:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2006 04:49:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2006 04:46:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2006 04:46:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 04:46:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.25 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} CD's/Digital Media X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=h4Bp4X-GOQ3w4CdziMKWt586vSlrs9FkbWukMDvxRJyNSjpBDA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Norbert Here"=20 wrote: > > I too grew up with records (33 45 and even a few old 78s) 8 tracks=20 and cassettes and later the CD. > I had to narrow these down due to storage space cosiderations. I=20 now use just cassettes and CDs. If i like all of an album i bought it=20 on CD. I may make a cassette copy as well however cassettes are=20 usally used for home brewed recording. Cassettes 20 years old still=20 play fine . in 20 years i have lost ONE cassette that became=20 unplayable after i Spilled tooth ache liquid on it during a bad tooth=20 ache years ago. As far as the PC goes i never considered that as an=20 audio system at least for storage. I transfer it out VIA analog to a=20 cassette and store it there.=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 Hi folks!!! Transferring the old analog recordings (vinyl, tapes, etc) to the CDs=20 is part of my work here. I have 2 or 4 hours a day with it. But I=20 only use CDs because my city has a very hot (in summer) and very cold=20 (in winter) weather so the humidity is a serious problem to the=20 tapes. In facts, I have a lot of totally useless old tapes (reels and=20 cassettes). CDs are more resistant against humidity. The only one question I have is if somebody knows if there is or=20 there will be a way to make mechanical "printed" CDs (not burning CDs=20 like we do with the today PC CD-R drivers) in our little studios. I=20 think the physical "printed" way is more durable, or not? And, of course, if somebody in the forum knows where we can buy=20 musical CD collections from the fabs '40, '50, '60 and '70... you=20 know where I am. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Nov 02 11:54:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33093 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2006 19:51:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2006 19:51:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.25) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2006 19:51:11 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 11:49:33 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Nov 2006 19:49:31 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Bcc: Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 19:49:31 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2006 19:49:33.0620 (UTC) FILETIME=[04E51F40:01C6FEB8] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: this Friday's XM 60's station re-creation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=S3eAQvZzDwibVrVTEO1LbPF7ETbWi6QVMPQVhdp9dE0r8ATXnYIkykaGMdg X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Will be a station from Spartanburg,SC;; I can't remember the call letters, but I'm sure Powell can probably give some details. So...... for those people (the majority of us) that don't have a decent am stereo station with music, you can listen to XM channel 6 tomorrow, from 4 - 9 pm (Eastern Standard Time); of course for those people in North Myrtle Beach, SC (WNMB) and Bartow, FL (WWBF), you can listen to great music on a local station in a.m. stereo all the time! Donn, St Petersburg From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Nov 02 18:04:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21692 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2006 01:58:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2006 01:58:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2006 01:58:49 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.105.222.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.105.222] helo=PossumHunter) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GfoG4-0000xq-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 02 Nov 2006 20:54:12 -0500 Message-ID: <00c301c6feea$f5d7c9c0$de695b04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 20:54:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} this Friday's XM 60's station re-creation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=C-eVCZGB3YN3hAGfbFchNR3OhKIzWUdXwtw59kmEy_jRT8EDHRZWxTyQAgJNiA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Oh PLEASE let it be "Word 91" WORD! What a KEWL station that used to be. All of the studios were built in copper mesh ferraday cages. The station went silent when the land it was on became more valuable than the station...There is a Shopping center there now :-( WORD was returned to the air at another location at reduced power as a simulcast of Greenville's WFBC-AM (Now WYRD) then did a frequency swap with WSPA-AM when Entercom raped that station. Anybody know whatever happened to "CJ" the Chief Engineer that lived in his Van? Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" To: ; Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 2:49 PM Subject: {AMSF} this Friday's XM 60's station re-creation > Will be a station from Spartanburg,SC;; I can't remember the call letters, > but I'm sure Powell can probably give some details. So...... for those > people (the majority of us) that don't have a decent am stereo station > with > music, you can listen to XM channel 6 tomorrow, from 4 - 9 pm (Eastern > Standard Time); of course for those people in North Myrtle Beach, SC > (WNMB) > and Bartow, FL (WWBF), you can listen to great music on a local station in > a.m. stereo all the time! > > Donn, > St Petersburg > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Nov 03 07:59:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37586 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2006 15:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2006 15:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.160) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2006 15:56:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 43231 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Nov 2006 15:55:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20061103155518.43229.qmail@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 Nov 2006 07:55:18 PST Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 07:55:18 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: this Friday's XM 60's station re-creation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=caXxbbVETEim3cT7xvN8CdBbMXbqF9YM4bhx75J6Lc9d-R5DrxrwBOk X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Donn wrote: "Anybody know whatever happened to "CJ" the Chief Engineer that lived in his Van?" I can just hear the late Chris Farley roaring at the top of his lungs: "living in a van, down by the riverrrrr...." ____________________________________________________________________________________ Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited (http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited) From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Nov 03 13:36:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38425 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2006 21:36:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2006 21:36:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2006 21:36:51 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.98]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 128858361 for ; Fri, 03 Nov 2006 15:34:40 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <007f01c6ff90$1e7b2c00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20061103155518.43229.qmail@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 15:35:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 3, in=10, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.98 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: this Friday's XM 60's station re-creation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=8ZUJDEesoS_I5_tp9TChGdroxI9wGm0ZrYj36LMmTpyvzmeQQCcR X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That line was played often on the old Jerry Wade [financial advice] Show. Too bad nobody took him on for syndication, because he was actually interesting and entertaining. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." > Donn wrote: "Anybody know whatever happened to "CJ" the Chief Engineer > that lived in his Van?" > > I can just hear the late Chris Farley roaring at the top of his lungs: > "living in a van, down by the riverrrrr...." From amfmtech@yahoo.com Fri Nov 03 17:39:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69494 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2006 01:34:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2006 01:34:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56806.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2006 01:34:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 19452 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Nov 2006 01:34:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20061104013404.19450.qmail@web56806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56806.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 Nov 2006 17:34:04 PST Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 17:34:04 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.80 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} CD's/Digital Media X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=VcBA1XNMiGIb28XwzyP2NRpNzqC3-3ZCEzFTXC5KtLtiFJc X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A good reference for oldies listing is at http://www.vobbe.net/music/ but I= noticed that the web site has not updated it in well over a year. So you d= on't know what he has done in the last 18 months. =20=20=20 This is the same guy who did the demonstration of noise reduction and v= inyl restoration on the DX Audio Service magazine. It was very impressive. = He's also the same guy who has piddled around with audio processing, C-Qua= m, DRM, and CAM-D. He's suppose to be doing a CD on the quality of AM radi= o, I heard. =20=20=20 ...Harold =20=20=20 =20=20 jotape1960 wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Norbert Here"=20 wrote: > > I too grew up with records (33 45 and even a few old 78s) 8 tracks=20 and cassettes and later the CD. > I had to narrow these down due to storage space cosiderations. I=20 now use just cassettes and CDs. If i like all of an album i bought it=20 on CD. I may make a cassette copy as well however cassettes are=20 usally used for home brewed recording. Cassettes 20 years old still=20 play fine . in 20 years i have lost ONE cassette that became=20 unplayable after i Spilled tooth ache liquid on it during a bad tooth=20 ache years ago. As far as the PC goes i never considered that as an=20 audio system at least for storage. I transfer it out VIA analog to a=20 cassette and store it there.=20 >=20 Hi folks!!! Transferring the old analog recordings (vinyl, tapes, etc) to the CDs=20 is part of my work here. I have 2 or 4 hours a day with it. But I=20 only use CDs because my city has a very hot (in summer) and very cold=20 (in winter) weather so the humidity is a serious problem to the=20 tapes. In facts, I have a lot of totally useless old tapes (reels and=20 cassettes). CDs are more resistant against humidity. The only one question I have is if somebody knows if there is or=20 there will be a way to make mechanical "printed" CDs (not burning CDs=20 like we do with the today PC CD-R drivers) in our little studios. I=20 think the physical "printed" way is more durable, or not? And, of course, if somebody in the forum knows where we can buy=20 musical CD collections from the fabs '40, '50, '60 and '70... you=20 know where I am. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 Yahoo! Groups Links =20 --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Nov 03 17:52:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89224 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2006 01:48:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2006 01:48:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52202.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.125) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2006 01:48:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 868 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Nov 2006 01:47:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20061104014712.866.qmail@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.41] by web52202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 Nov 2006 17:47:12 PST Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 17:47:12 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20061104013404.19450.qmail@web56806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.125 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} CD's/Digital Media X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=-ocWYanzW-AYMAqYJ2Pn0Qu1K0F_Yzcwqqx0J-HG8Qw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Harold Richards wrote: > A good reference for oldies listing is at > http://www.vobbe.net/music/ but I noticed that the > web site has not updated it in well over a year. So > you don't know what he has done in the last 18 > months. Fred's really busy with the TV station and all that stuff right now. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 07 02:48:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33443 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2006 10:44:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2006 10:44:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.204) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2006 10:44:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 98629 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2006 10:43:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jim8wpwl0kyh37) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.8.106.189 with login) by smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2006 10:43:39 -0000 Message-ID: <000801c70259$963a0c40$d50bfea9@jim8wpwl0kyh37> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 02:43:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: Hi Any one home? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=2Cy_JKY5PeDixffBWo85PBROz5WLGmRS0k9rPegifvR_9jPm7RmZ_s44tcj5ulKrKmW_1GIg X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Theres been no one on the forum for many days now. Had got to tuch the first HD RADIO for the frist time. I could not get any HD stations because of bad anttennas. There is only one station that i could see the little HD simble flashing on it was KIID AM 1470 Sacrmento Ca. Well i thought i would see if there was any one home. Take care gang. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Nov 07 10:55:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2210 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2006 18:50:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2006 18:50:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.162) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2006 18:50:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 19535 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Nov 2006 18:49:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20061107184939.19533.qmail@web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 10:49:39 PST Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 10:49:39 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: HD Radio - it's not your father's AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=kQOVBlCdr6ZwB72216dQs1i9MpQox56yV73m5lspfeV0SyZ5i02exyc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Jim, don't forget, AM stations can only broadcast in HD during the daytime. FM are 24/7. Also, the antenna that came with the first HD radio wouldn't allow for decent FM HD, so they changed to an old folded dipole FM antenna, just like you used in the 70's with your FM radio if you wanted a good stereo signal. I've heard that the original "Receptor" HD radio is a POS, but that the Radio Shack model coming out is at least 4 times better, and a much better way to promote HD, not discourage it. I have not seen an RS HD radio at a RatShack yet. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Get an Online or Campus degree Associate's, Bachelor's, or Master's - in less than one year. http://www.findtherightschool.com From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Nov 07 12:22:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67150 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2006 20:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2006 20:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2006 20:21:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2006 20:21:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2006 20:21:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 20:21:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.30 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Motorola C-QUAM AM Stereo question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=9PDti820VW7UMAmExQcobCq7YCOChRnMHv3sRlWv930esKu1Qw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI AM STEREO FANS!!!!!!! I need to ask you something about C-QUAM. C-QUAM takes its name from the idea of two AM modulators with a 90=BA=20 carrier phase shift (a very old idea called: "quadrature modulation",=20 of course). Theorically, this two AM modulators are joined together=20 (0=BAL-R and 90=BAL+R) to modulate the phase of the central AM station=20 carrier but through a "limiter", who cut any incompatibility from the=20 quadrature modulation and leaves only the "compatible" part of the=20 QUAM (in other words: 0=BAL-R only). So, we get a carrier, phase modulated with a L-R signal and amplitude=20 modulated with a L+R signal. In other words, the same as the Magnavox=20 system!!! I don't have any problem with it. The "industrial espionage" is as=20 older as the mankind, hahahaha!!! In serious, my problem is with the C-QUAM receivers. According with=20 the Motorola official schematics, the receiver needs a phase=20 modulated carrier containing the two components of the original=20 quadrature (90=BAL+R and 0=BAL-R). It's intended to make a comparison=20 with the AM L+R phase. But... From where? How can it get the two=20 quadrature parts if the exciter "limiter" already removed the 90=BAL+R=20 part? Does somebody have a good explanation about it? Does somebody want to=20 explain it to me? I discovered my only one AM Stereo receiver isn't capable to separate=20 the audio stereo image. I can listen an Argentina station, with a=20 very good DX external antenna, with AM Stereo (according with the=20 Motorola official list, it is C-QUAM), at night. The stereo light is=20 on, and the background noise is different from the left and the right=20 channels but... the music sound is mono (not the songs, I know them=20 and they have a very good separation). Some idea? Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Nov 07 12:25:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81197 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2006 20:23:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2006 20:23:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.25) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2006 20:23:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2006 20:20:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2006 20:20:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 20:20:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.25 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.30 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Motorola C-QUAM AM Stereo question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=QNupCUBKKgsYr_9sFefboemcDWVJ6NcNPbPBzV15kLi3p-sGqg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI AM STEREO FANS!!!!!!! I need to ask you something about C-QUAM. C-QUAM takes its name from the idea of two AM modulators with a 90=BA=20 carrier phase shift (a very old idea called: "quadrature modulation",=20 of course). Theorically, this two AM modulators are joined together=20 (0=BAL-R and 90=BAL+R) to modulate the phase of the central AM station=20 carrier but through a "limiter", who cut any incompatibility from the=20 quadrature modulation and leaves only the "compatible" part of the=20 QUAM (in other words: 0=BAL-R only). So, we get a carrier, phase modulated with a L-R signal and amplitude=20 modulated with a L+R signal. In other words, the same as the Magnavox=20 system!!! I don't have any problem with it. The "industrial espionage" is as=20 older as the mankind, hahahaha!!! In serious, my problem is with the C-QUAM receivers. According with=20 the Motorola official schematics, the receiver needs a phase=20 modulated carrier containing the two components of the original=20 quadrature (90=BAL+R and 0=BAL-R). It's intended to make a comparison=20 with the AM L+R phase. But... From where? How can it get the two=20 quadrature parts if the exciter "limiter" already removed the 90=BAL+R=20 part? Does somebody have a good explanation about it? Does somebody want to=20 explain it to me? I discovered my only one AM Stereo receiver isn't capable to separate=20 the audio stereo image. I can listen an Argentina station, with a=20 very good DX external antenna, with AM Stereo (according with the=20 Motorola official list, it is C-QUAM), at night. The stereo light is=20 on, and the background noise is different from the left and the right=20 channels but... the music sound is mono (not the songs, I know them=20 and they have a very good separation). Some idea? Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Nov 07 13:21:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85999 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2006 21:20:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2006 21:20:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.94) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2006 21:20:46 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:20:13 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.43 by BAY106-DAV22.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 21:20:07 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 21:20:07 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2006 21:20:13.0555 (UTC) FILETIME=[836A1430:01C702B2] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio - it's not your father's AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=r5jI3feOFHEQzcBNl55qwUh7DpO7SS0jHPf6snd7NkMJm0UkuewtqXDhty4 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was in Radio Shack today and I didn't see an "HD" radios in sight; I didn't ask, since for some reason there was only one clerk and he was trying to wait on about 3 different customers at the same time. Seems as though I read somewhere, where even the 2nd generation of "HD" table radios were also a POS in the HD mode (but not as horrible as the first generation, maybe the 3rd time will be a charm), but had good sensitivity and selectivity on the AM band on analogue, so................ if you want an expensive good analogue table radio, it could be for you. Donn, St. Petersburg -----Original Message----- From: John P. Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2006 1:49 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} HD Radio - it's not your father's AM stereo Jim, don't forget, AM stations can only broadcast in HD during the daytime. FM are 24/7. Also, the antenna that came with the first HD radio wouldn't allow for decent FM HD, so they changed to an old folded dipole FM antenna, just like you used in the 70's with your FM radio if you wanted a good stereo signal. I've heard that the original "Receptor" HD radio is a POS, but that the Radio Shack model coming out is at least 4 times better, and a much better way to promote HD, not discourage it. I have not seen an RS HD radio at a RatShack yet. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Get an Online or Campus degree Associate's, Bachelor's, or Master's - in less than one year. http://www.findtherightschool.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Nov 07 13:34:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7596 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2006 21:29:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2006 21:29:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.96) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2006 21:29:21 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:27:13 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.43 by BAY106-DAV24.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 21:27:11 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 21:27:11 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2006 21:27:13.0859 (UTC) FILETIME=[7DEF6130:01C702B3] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.96 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: XM's re-creating KHJ-Los Angeles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=IXnuanWCXL5pDKiP8nRN7Dc4Wc8OohdaqN1JYDkfqSIQ69jM_7Kc_Gc0Vjk X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This Friday, XM's channel 6 will re-create KHJ - 930 Los Angeles, the airtime hours are 1 - 6pm Pacific Standard Time. In the early 70's when in San Diego for two months, KHJ put in a pretty good signal in San Diego and was a great station. Donn, St. Petersburg,FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue Nov 07 17:09:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52674 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2006 01:05:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2006 01:05:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2006 01:05:14 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.209.216]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 129585101 for ; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:05:08 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ae01c702d2$33bd9a40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 19:07:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 2, in=3, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.209.216 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola C-QUAM AM Stereo question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=vcZ9mTJNM4xYnjTEJyhPionpb91TvSBWYdeeFiP4XiDipF7hl46q X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The station you're listening to may be mono and just left the pilot tone on. We've got one of those up here too- WCTS. If I had the $$, I'd volunteer to donate the necessary funds to have their stereo generator fixed. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" I discovered my only one AM Stereo receiver isn't capable to separate the audio stereo image. I can listen an Argentina station, with a very good DX external antenna, with AM Stereo (according with the Motorola official list, it is C-QUAM), at night. The stereo light is on, and the background noise is different from the left and the right channels but... the music sound is mono (not the songs, I know them and they have a very good separation). Some idea? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Nov 07 17:52:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41823 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2006 01:44:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2006 01:44:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.150) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2006 01:44:49 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n7.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2006 01:44:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2006 01:44:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2006 01:44:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 01:44:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.250.43.101 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Denon TU-680NAB on eBay! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=d1W3PQZ1t5V6jW7s-HjsFAgGDwhdhTa93Z81fvRBZXnAliyJ_A X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Along with the Fanfare FTA-100 and Carver TX-11b, this is one of the=20 Top 3 best AM Stereo tuners ever made. Buy It Now for $225, or good=20 luck with the bidding... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D160049018646 I would get it for myself, except I already have one. :-) Here's a=20 clip of how mine sounds in AM Stereo: http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/files/upload-here-pleas e/wctc8-04.mp3 From jimsmith@vfr.net Tue Nov 07 20:14:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4761 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2006 04:06:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2006 04:06:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.172) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2006 04:06:06 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n5.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2006 03:59:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2006 03:59:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2006 03:59:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 03:59:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20061107184939.19533.qmail@web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.127.187 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: HD Radio - it's not your father's AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=kcp-QPJGN70SlG8oJS05F0LYqI5Qky-TUUwVh_ZI5JW2P9pzzmeTeg X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > Jim, don't forget, AM stations can only broadcast in HD during the > daytime. FM are 24/7. Also, the antenna that came with the first=20 HD > radio wouldn't allow for decent FM HD, so they changed to an old=20 folded > dipole FM antenna, just like you used in the 70's with your FM=20 radio if > you wanted a good stereo signal. >=20 > I've heard that the original "Receptor" HD radio is a POS, but that=20 the > Radio Shack model coming out is at least 4 times better, and a much > better way to promote HD, not discourage it. I have not seen an RS=20 HD > radio at a RatShack yet. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Sponsored Link >=20 > Get an Online or Campus degree > Associate's, Bachelor's, or Master's - in less than one year. > http://www.findtherightschool.com > Hi I saw them in IPOD SHACK. There was two of them one was a B.A and=20 i don't remember the other. Thay both had bad antennas. Thanks Jim=20 Smith From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Wed Nov 08 04:00:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7732 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2006 11:59:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2006 11:59:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2006 11:59:30 -0000 Received: from [4.247.123.226] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ghm4D-0005Aq-7g for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 06:58:05 -0500 Message-ID: <380-22006113811586836@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.122.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 06:58:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcaa69e31dd58e55bf1066290955e1e5e8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: RE: {AMSF} Denon TU-680NAB on eBay! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=WoLcKyqZT_ExHwkIEU-KbjLMk3sIYnBvJQfQuElvg7rN9w The Denon Tuner was since sold as a Buy-I-Now purchase. When I tried to listen to your adudio clip, I get a message "This page cannot be found." Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Kevin T. > To: > Date: 11/7/2006 8:52:19 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Denon TU-680NAB on eBay! > > Along with the Fanfare FTA-100 and Carver TX-11b, this is one of the > Top 3 best AM Stereo tuners ever made. Buy It Now for $225, or good > luck with the bidding... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160049018646 > > I would get it for myself, except I already have one. :-) Here's a > clip of how mine sounds in AM Stereo: > > http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/files/upload-here-pleas > e/wctc8-04.mp3 From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Nov 08 14:32:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25231 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2006 22:23:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2006 22:23:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.28) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2006 22:23:49 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 14:22:44 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 22:22:42 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Bcc: Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 22:22:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2006 22:22:44.0425 (UTC) FILETIME=[69852B90:01C70384] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio - it's not your father's AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=dVMulMv_mMuy-T95skMfmVP0yWBdY37v58jEdTChsLzswMG-0xW0IHFmYQM X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo On these HD radios, is there a reason that the manufactors don't improve the fm sensitivity so as to be able to pick up the weaker HD2 signals? (other than the usual bottom line to make a cheap product) and also would a good telescopic antenna (even on the table models) with a cross-box type clip on antenna to go on the other work and improve the reception? Donn, curious in St Petersburg ----------- Original Message ------------------------ From: "jimsmith95663" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio - it's not your father's AM stereo Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 03:59:48 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > >Jim, don't forget, AM stations can only broadcast in HD during the >daytime. FM are 24/7. Also, the antenna that came with the first HD >radio wouldn't allow for decent FM HD, so they changed to an old folded >dipole FM antenna, just like you used in the 70's with your FM radio if >you wanted a good stereo signal. > >I've heard that the original "Receptor" HD radio is a POS, but that the >Radio Shack model coming out is at least 4 times better, and a much >better way to promote HD, not discourage it. I have not seen an RS HD >radio at a RatShack yet. > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ ______________ >Sponsored Link > >Get an Online or Campus degree >Associate's, Bachelor's, or Master's - in less than one year. >http://www.findtherightschool.com > Hi I saw them in IPOD SHACK. There was two of them one was a B.A and i don't remember the other. Thay both had bad antennas. Thanks Jim Smith From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Nov 08 16:19:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81744 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2006 00:13:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2006 00:13:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52211.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.134) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2006 00:13:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 24066 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Nov 2006 00:10:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20061109001036.24064.qmail@web52211.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.167] by web52211.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 16:10:36 PST Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 16:10:36 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio - it's not your father's AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=qN9etdaSykM9-AU2txcF07v3_kL4bUNxCzhvzWo2ZIE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Donn Tillman wrote: > On these HD radios, is there a reason that the > manufactors don't improve the > fm sensitivity so as to be able to pick up the > weaker HD2 signals? (other > than the usual bottom line to make a cheap product) > and also would a good > telescopic antenna (even on the table models) with a > cross-box type clip on > antenna to go on the other work and improve the > reception? > > Donn, > curious in St Petersburg No, the HD2 signal is not weaker. If the regular HD decodes so will the others. It's just if the HD drops out so does the secondaries, and there's no analog to fall back on. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Nov 08 17:10:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78923 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2006 01:10:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2006 01:10:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.21) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2006 01:10:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2006 01:09:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2006 01:09:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 01:09:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20061109001036.24064.qmail@web52211.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.99.80.69 From: "florida_amsstereo" Subject: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio - it's not your father's AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=XZXfS3dg3cDjl6iK94plMNLq3EUQT1zm7nFuwIH-wal-aJgDdpo2gtFkPc0 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Now, I'm even more confused, John from Toledo and several others have=20 mentioned that picking up the HD2 signal is nearly impossible, so if=20 better sensitivity or better indoor antennas aren't the answer, what=20 would be a good solution, other than not ever buying an "HD" radio. I do understand what you said about the HD2 signal being as strong,=20 but no analogue to fall back on, so there must be a solution, other=20 than moving to the antenna farm in your locale to be able to receive=20 the HD2 signals with enough strength to be receivable. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 >=20 > --- Donn Tillman wrote: >=20 > > On these HD radios, is there a reason that the > > manufactors don't improve the=20 > > fm sensitivity so as to be able to pick up the > > weaker HD2 signals? (other=20 > > than the usual bottom line to make a cheap product) > > and also would a good=20 > > telescopic antenna (even on the table models) with a > > cross-box type clip on=20 > > antenna to go on the other work and improve the > > reception? > >=20 > > Donn, > > curious in St Petersburg >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > No, the HD2 signal is not weaker. If the regular HD > decodes so will the others. It's just if the HD drops > out so does the secondaries, and there's no analog to > fall back on.=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > w4opw@... > NNNN! > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Nov 08 17:45:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82073 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2006 01:38:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2006 01:38:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2006 01:38:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2006 01:35:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2006 01:35:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 01:35:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.93 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Radio loses audition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=8mSkwTdH_gsdygj-FCq3Srf9qa0t5hSsETwccpfdLFSl-JPA_g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI AM STEREO FANS!!!!!!! I read an article from the last Radio World issue called: "Radio=20 loses audition", related with the cut of the TV cable Radio services=20 in some TV cable operators. But radio have lost audition since many years ago. First, due to the=20 excessive number of commercials. Second, due to the excessive time=20 dedicated to talk against the music. Third, due to the "new=20 technologies" wich never work (like HD). Is there a solution? Does the radio have some hope to survive the=20 time? Any idea? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Nov 08 17:45:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50244 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2006 01:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2006 01:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.161) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2006 01:41:14 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2006 01:35:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2006 01:35:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2006 01:35:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 01:35:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.93 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Radio loses audition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=zDF-f45STM8jOAD1XQpQG93mhxTtQxniAHJSML6fDB0rfO9_Ig X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI AM STEREO FANS!!!!!!! I read an article from the last Radio World issue called: "Radio=20 loses audition", related with the cut of the TV cable Radio services=20 in some TV cable operators. But radio have lost audition since many years ago. First, due to the=20 excessive number of commercials. Second, due to the excessive time=20 dedicated to talk against the music. Third, due to the "new=20 technologies" wich never work (like HD). Is there a solution? Does the radio have some hope to survive the=20 time? Any idea? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jimsmith@vfr.net Thu Nov 09 02:19:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30460 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2006 10:19:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2006 10:19:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2006 10:19:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2006 10:19:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2006 10:19:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 10:19:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.216.126 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=Vub_0OD9Y4APORGPlhZZRQLod_oasr8kIqXSd1kw3ZFLMqaVm3D_0w X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95663" > wrote: > > > So to make it more werth it to turn on AM STEREO=20 > > there would half to be more than one person from here to help=20 flood the=20 > > area with AM STEREO radios let the stations know you are doing=20 this. I=20 > > think that would work for both WOR and WSM and any other station=20 in the=20 > > US.=20 >=20 > [TR] Don't hold your breath, Jim. If HD fails, we'll simply default > to mono. Though C-QUAM would work quite well through the new=20 system. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > Hi Tom I forgot to ask you something. If HD FM fails in your radio=20 group will your stations be going FM mono. After all just like HD=20 radio AM and FM and FM STEREO if you have a computer you can have AM=20 STEREO all you have to do is piont them in the right direction!!! Jim=20 Smith From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 09 03:29:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73383 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2006 11:29:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2006 11:29:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp114.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.213) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2006 11:29:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 44133 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2006 11:29:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jim8wpwl0kyh37) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@68.72.216.126 with login) by smtp114.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2006 11:29:20 -0000 Message-ID: <000801c703f2$4dfc7c70$d50bfea9@jim8wpwl0kyh37> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 03:29:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: I have a AM STEREO idea!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=HaCgsgglWyIebq6erfAkcXFCmXEQQzjNOugA-mKwVmL8i-R3uEEckrWCcTPykEKa9d1ECJ3b X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I have a idea. What if some or all of us on the forum donated some money in to a citty and buy some new AM STEREO radios and go maket by maket and sell them and tell them every one in the markets to call there am radio stations tell that thay want hear AM STEREO agan. Or the sellers tell the stations that thay are selling AM STEREO's in there area. I don't think thats a bad idea for a tired man. Buy gang Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From starship_2001@msn.com Thu Nov 09 04:21:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85165 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2006 12:20:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2006 12:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.207) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2006 12:20:43 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.75]) by bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 9 Nov 2006 04:15:50 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 04:15:50 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.3 by BAY106-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 12:15:46 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 12:15:46 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2006 12:15:50.0776 (UTC) FILETIME=[CBB50780:01C703F8] Return-Path: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a AM STEREO idea!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=rCL7Bk2i-KSgx9AA4kz5GWNDM0XfA6yYZet7cC0rFDJEzLxl31ZgImLibg X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the nearest station running analog AM stereo is 740 in cambridge mass. I cant quite get a usable signal. all the rest of the staions are talkers expect 1450 which plays music (mono) but signal gets stepped all over at night. Need the FCC to make 900 KHZ a clear channel and have WNMB increase power to 100 KW and then this idea might work. -----Original Message----- From: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2006 6:29 AM To: am stereo forum Cc: jim smith Subject: {AMSF} I have a AM STEREO idea!!!! Hi Gang I have a idea. What if some or all of us on the forum donated some money in to a citty and buy some new AM STEREO radios and go maket by maket and sell them and tell them every one in the markets to call there am radio stations tell that thay want hear AM STEREO agan. Or the sellers tell the stations that thay are selling AM STEREO's in there area. I don't think thats a bad idea for a tired man. Buy gang Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wnmb@sc.rr.com Thu Nov 09 08:36:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2235 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2006 16:31:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2006 16:31:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2006 16:31:33 -0000 Received: from user40vik86y22 (rrcs-70-60-215-93.midsouth.biz.rr.com [70.60.215.93]) by ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kA9DGY7P001916 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 08:16:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001301c70401$45377810$5dd73c46@user40vik86y22> To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 08:16:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Norman Communications" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a AM STEREO idea!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=Yq23Ap0qfzdS9GSlPJzWP2PRLVS2BY6AP2I-EzJldNqCZQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow! 100 kw. at 900 khz. You wouldn't need any teeth whitener near the antenna site! As to the AM Stereo radios, bring them to North Myrtle Beach. I am out and have people who want them! William Norman, Jr. WNMB: Norman Communications NMB Inc. 429 Pine Avenue North Myrtle Beach, S. C. 29582 Phone 843-249-6NMB e mail: wnmb@sc.rr.com Website: www.wnmb900.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Norbert 26 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 7:15 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a AM STEREO idea!!!! the nearest station running analog AM stereo is 740 in cambridge mass. I cant quite get a usable signal. all the rest of the staions are talkers expect 1450 which plays music (mono) but signal gets stepped all over at night. Need the FCC to make 900 KHZ a clear channel and have WNMB increase power to 100 KW and then this idea might work. -----Original Message----- From: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2006 6:29 AM To: am stereo forum Cc: jim smith Subject: {AMSF} I have a AM STEREO idea!!!! Hi Gang I have a idea. What if some or all of us on the forum donated some money in to a citty and buy some new AM STEREO radios and go maket by maket and sell them and tell them every one in the markets to call there am radio stations tell that thay want hear AM STEREO agan. Or the sellers tell the stations that thay are selling AM STEREO's in there area. I don't think thats a bad idea for a tired man. Buy gang Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! 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Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/525 - Release Date: 11/9/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Thu Nov 09 10:52:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44612 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2006 18:49:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2006 18:49:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.26) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2006 18:49:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2006 18:48:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2006 18:48:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 18:48:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001301c70401$45377810$5dd73c46@user40vik86y22> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a AM STEREO idea!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=prLNTrQs7SWb6rkFJodzLB_UgzFzLZZxjmgxHh7YWESUiVrS X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Norman Communications"=20 wrote: > > Wow! 100 kw. at 900 khz. You wouldn't need any teeth whitener=20 near the antenna site!=20=20 > As to the AM Stereo radios, bring them to North Myrtle Beach. I=20 am out and have people who want them! >=20 > William Norman, Jr. > WNMB: Norman Communications NMB Inc. > 429 Pine Avenue > North Myrtle Beach, S. C. 29582 You wouldn't need any radios, either, near the transmitter site.=20=20 Just some good old fashioned silver fillings..... Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Thu Nov 09 10:53:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86722 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2006 18:46:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2006 18:46:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.154) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2006 18:46:32 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n11.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2006 18:46:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2006 18:46:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2006 18:46:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 18:46:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=6gCN8eac9tPDF8AJvtpPRb35mrL5zTzH3m1uM65-UPOMrLFS X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95663" =20 wrote: > Hi Tom I forgot to ask you something. If HD FM fails in your radio=20 > group will your stations be going FM mono. After all just like HD=20 > radio AM and FM and FM STEREO if you have a computer you can have AM=20 > STEREO all you have to do is piont them in the right direction!!!=20 Jim=20 > Smith > No, they wouldn't. The FM/HD processors have built in analog stereo=20 generators. Nothing to buy, nothing to configure, as the analog FM=20 stereo is already on the air. And what computer program generates an AM Stereo signal? I know of=20 none. Tom Ray WOR From jimsmith@vfr.net Thu Nov 09 18:54:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25848 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2006 02:42:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2006 02:42:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.133) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2006 02:42:24 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2006 02:12:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2006 02:12:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2006 02:12:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 02:12:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.31.53.137 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=H2r6e28xQKww-lzkmmXUaFGbwtL3WLDHoQgAEndy_2eZRXx-Hk7VZQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95663" =20 > wrote: > > Hi Tom I forgot to ask you something. If HD FM fails in your=20 radio=20 > > group will your stations be going FM mono. After all just like=20 HD=20 > > radio AM and FM and FM STEREO if you have a computer you can have=20 AM=20 > > STEREO all you have to do is piont them in the right direction!!!=20 > Jim=20 > > Smith > > >=20 > No, they wouldn't. The FM/HD processors have built in analog=20 stereo=20 > generators. Nothing to buy, nothing to configure, as the analog FM=20 > stereo is already on the air. >=20 > And what computer program generates an AM Stereo signal? I know of=20 > none. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > Hi No i did not mean a computer program i ment you can order them=20 online like any thing els and you can even pay with postal money=20 orders if you want.Did not think you would revert to mono on FM.=20=20 Take care Tom. Jim Smith From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Nov 09 19:02:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4610 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2006 02:35:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2006 02:35:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.176) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2006 02:35:19 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n9.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2006 02:32:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2006 02:32:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2006 02:32:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 02:32:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.176 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.18 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=olvSzNIKF0YV-2IIplSDHw0W_9Tc3jGjCr4dzQgH0lB2rQy5LA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95663" =20 > wrote: > > Hi Tom I forgot to ask you something. If HD FM fails in your=20 radio=20 > > group will your stations be going FM mono. After all just like=20 HD=20 > > radio AM and FM and FM STEREO if you have a computer you can have=20 AM=20 > > STEREO all you have to do is piont them in the right direction!!!=20 > Jim=20 > > Smith > > >=20 > No, they wouldn't. The FM/HD processors have built in analog=20 stereo=20 > generators. Nothing to buy, nothing to configure, as the analog FM=20 > stereo is already on the air. >=20 > And what computer program generates an AM Stereo signal? I know of=20 > none. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > Hi AM Stereo boys!!! Tom, I think any today PC could do it, theorically. The problem is=20 the hardware (I don't know any digital to analog RF converter PC=20 device). With a "high grade" computing language (as "C") you could=20 make a RF generator and an AM or FM modulator but... it would be only=20 a digital signal. How to convert it to an standard analog RF signal?=20 I don't know. But I think Jim was talking about the Internet AM radios you can=20 listen with your PC now. Of course, it isn't a true AM receiver but,=20 MAYBE, it's the radio's future, maybe!!! Now, I need some technical experienced expert. Years ago I read=20 something about a kind of amplitude modulation who modulated the=20 positive and negative carrier peaks with two different audio signals.=20 So we get a carrier with its posivite part with some audio signal,=20 and the negative carrier part with another audio signal. (Remember=20 the standard AM get a carrier with a very symmetrical relation=20 between the positive and negative carrier peaks). I think it was=20 intended to AM Stereo but I don't know if it was tested or made some=20 day and I don't know if it is equivalent to the Kahn system. Now,=20 retake this "crazy" idea, What's happen if we modulate the amplitude=20 of a carrier (standard AM) but we on purpose distort the positive and=20 negative carrier peaks relation? (In other words, a distorted=20 carrier, not a distorted audio). Does the receiver "feel" it? Does we=20 get more unwanted side bands? This idea is intended to try to carry a=20 second signal into the unbalanced positive-negative carrier peaks=20 relation (a kind of second AM modulation to the digital bitstream, of=20 course). Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 09 20:12:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22974 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2006 04:06:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2006 04:06:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.211) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2006 04:06:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 33449 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2006 02:19:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jim8wpwl0kyh37) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.31.53.137 with login) by smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2006 02:19:27 -0000 Message-ID: <000801c7046e$a76c3a30$d50bfea9@jim8wpwl0kyh37> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 18:19:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: I geuss you mist my poit. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=uy5FGnIbHb9DDP_VPPT76n8Dj2Gz6MI461BlK5MfiFmoST6osBYOZe_ejwl66y5dv3ynxj1o X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I geuss you guys misted my poit. I ment we can flood AM mono radio markets talk or not with AM STEREO radios to gain back some ground we lost!!!! Thanks Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith@vfr.net Thu Nov 09 21:17:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53979 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2006 05:15:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2006 05:15:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.204) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2006 05:15:03 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n13.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2006 05:14:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2006 05:14:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2006 05:14:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 05:14:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.31.53.137 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=31_kQ-AJkymkhNnoW1CDX-yVk--HzqWeFG7D4ULgst0SN_F7vgB50A X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95663" =20 > > wrote: > > > Hi Tom I forgot to ask you something. If HD FM fails in your=20 > radio=20 > > > group will your stations be going FM mono. After all just like=20 > HD=20 > > > radio AM and FM and FM STEREO if you have a computer you can=20 have=20 > AM=20 > > > STEREO all you have to do is piont them in the right=20 direction!!!=20 > > Jim=20 > > > Smith > > > > >=20 > > No, they wouldn't. The FM/HD processors have built in analog=20 > stereo=20 > > generators. Nothing to buy, nothing to configure, as the analog=20 FM=20 > > stereo is already on the air. > >=20 > > And what computer program generates an AM Stereo signal? I know=20 of=20 > > none. > >=20 > > Tom Ray > > WOR > > >=20 > Hi AM Stereo boys!!! >=20 > Tom, I think any today PC could do it, theorically. The problem is=20 > the hardware (I don't know any digital to analog RF converter PC=20 > device). With a "high grade" computing language (as "C") you could=20 > make a RF generator and an AM or FM modulator but... it would be=20 only=20 > a digital signal. How to convert it to an standard analog RF=20 signal?=20 > I don't know. >=20 > But I think Jim was talking about the Internet AM radios you can=20 > listen with your PC now. Of course, it isn't a true AM receiver=20 but,=20 > MAYBE, it's the radio's future, maybe!!! >=20 > Now, I need some technical experienced expert. Years ago I read=20 > something about a kind of amplitude modulation who modulated the=20 > positive and negative carrier peaks with two different audio=20 signals.=20 > So we get a carrier with its posivite part with some audio signal,=20 > and the negative carrier part with another audio signal. (Remember=20 > the standard AM get a carrier with a very symmetrical relation=20 > between the positive and negative carrier peaks). I think it was=20 > intended to AM Stereo but I don't know if it was tested or made=20 some=20 > day and I don't know if it is equivalent to the Kahn system. Now,=20 > retake this "crazy" idea, What's happen if we modulate the=20 amplitude=20 > of a carrier (standard AM) but we on purpose distort the positive=20 and=20 > negative carrier peaks relation? (In other words, a distorted=20 > carrier, not a distorted audio). Does the receiver "feel" it? Does=20 we=20 > get more unwanted side bands? This idea is intended to try to carry=20 a=20 > second signal into the unbalanced positive-negative carrier peaks=20 > relation (a kind of second AM modulation to the digital bitstream,=20 of=20 > course). >=20 > Thanks for your time!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > Hi Juan No i ment you and any one els can order new AM STEREO radios=20 here through this site or a google serch here online and get new AM=20 STEREO radios with there computer. Take care Juan. Jim Smith From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Nov 10 05:17:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7012 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2006 13:15:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2006 13:15:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2006 13:15:10 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.249]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 130346940 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:08:08 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701c704c9$8d3ef700$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:10:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.211.249 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=9hLAZwkrzCCPEOtQT6iEeW65B-vBzjrrB7MrrQIjxqpnKbzQvFuw X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Well, Tom, a lot of the modern AM audio processors support stereo, so going AM stereo should IBOC fail isn't as silly an idea as it seems. Even though there isn't a program created which can generate it -yet-, the fact that there is DSP which can decode it means it's not a great stretch to come up with some code which can generate it. The same computer which does HD should be able to do it since we're already dealing with QAM. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ray" > No, they wouldn't. The FM/HD processors have built in analog stereo > generators. Nothing to buy, nothing to configure, as the analog FM > stereo is already on the air. > > And what computer program generates an AM Stereo signal? I know of > none. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Nov 10 05:24:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41335 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2006 13:15:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2006 13:15:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2006 13:15:17 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.249]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 130947827 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:09:33 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <006501c704c9$bf999700$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:11:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.047000 Subject has lots of exclamation marks=1.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 2, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.249 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a AM STEREO idea!!!! 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Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norbert 26" Need the FCC to make 900 KHZ a clear channel and have WNMB increase power to 100 KW and then this idea might work. > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Nov 10 06:09:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62314 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2006 14:03:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2006 14:03:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2006 14:03:45 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.249]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 129053409 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:14:02 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <007901c704ca$5fd13700$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <000801c7046e$a76c3a30$d50bfea9@jim8wpwl0kyh37> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:16:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 12, in=15, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.249 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I geuss you mist my poit. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=h-OYqXc9paIS78GhgtFgX0JrRk41FNaY9PmJgXmhpfKUwkJBltxa X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Getting radios out is only a small part of the equation. Getting stations to spend money to put in the necessary gear to transmit AM stereo is the rest of the equation and the largest part of it. Bill Norman- if you want to get some AM stereo radios into your listeners' hands, there are a couple models by Audio Cubes. Likely a Google search will turn up what you need, or else it's on one of the AM stereo websites. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: > Hi Gang I geuss you guys misted my poit. I ment we can flood AM mono radio markets talk or not with AM STEREO radios to gain back some ground we lost!!!! Thanks Jim Smith > From starship_2001@msn.com Fri Nov 10 06:13:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21433 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2006 14:11:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2006 14:11:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s21.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.157) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2006 14:11:29 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.82]) by bay0-omc2-s21.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 06:11:19 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 06:11:19 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.6 by BAY106-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:11:18 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:11:18 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2006 14:11:19.0352 (UTC) FILETIME=[17DF9380:01C704D2] Return-Path: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a AM STEREO idea!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=c4Ro-JGHsLZDsYqTouxKxadwJmtN0yCwYwwK_VaAlJwEY3YXF8BH55i7LA X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes and thats exactly what i receive at night on that channel......canada !!!! -----Original Message----- From: Scott Todd Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 8:11 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a AM STEREO idea!!!! 900 is already a Canadian clear... Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norbert 26" Need the FCC to make 900 KHZ a clear channel and have WNMB increase power to 100 KW and then this idea might work. > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From starship_2001@msn.com Fri Nov 10 07:42:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4185 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2006 15:29:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2006 15:29:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2006 15:29:26 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.85]) by bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:28:10 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:28:10 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.4 by BAY106-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 15:28:07 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 15:28:07 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2006 15:28:10.0146 (UTC) FILETIME=[D41EE820:01C704DC] Return-Path: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I geuss you mist my poit. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=QvOmYkWYP9HQVC-Z5EmX_0m6Eoaxq4QrTt9zgcDqT0YHYJJdgwjsOeEbSw X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit another VERY important thing being missed is CONTENT !!!! Bring music back to the AM side. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Todd Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 8:16 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} I geuss you mist my poit. Getting radios out is only a small part of the equation. Getting stations to spend money to put in the necessary gear to transmit AM stereo is the rest of the equation and the largest part of it. Bill Norman- if you want to get some AM stereo radios into your listeners' hands, there are a couple models by Audio Cubes. Likely a Google search will turn up what you need, or else it's on one of the AM stereo websites. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: > Hi Gang I geuss you guys misted my poit. I ment we can flood AM mono radio markets talk or not with AM STEREO radios to gain back some ground we lost!!!! Thanks Jim Smith > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Fri Nov 10 08:55:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79823 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2006 16:52:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2006 16:52:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2006 16:52:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2006 16:50:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2006 16:50:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:50:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005701c704c9$8d3ef700$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=lpdEdzyJEhLKZyKKX79aJa5BP9XhXi8R7-IjOxsJFJDjHH7j X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > Well, Tom, a lot of the modern AM audio processors support stereo,=20 so going > AM stereo should IBOC fail isn't as silly an idea as it seems. [TR] Didn't say it was silly. It's very easy to connect the=20 composite stereo output from the processor to the exciter...which is=20 already there anyway, as the analog FM stereo is still on the air.=20=20 If I connect the stereo output of my AM processor to the=20 transmitter, what do I get? Nothing except either a left or a right=20 channel being transmit in mono...or both (mono L+R) if I tie them=20 together. I would need another piece of gear (ie, an AM stereo=20 exciter) to make the station stereo, and that simply isn't going to=20 happen unless there is an FCC mandate to do so. And I'm not going=20 to buy one on ebay and put it on the air. I've got other things to=20 do with my time than refurbish a piece of equipment that I probably=20 can't find major parts for and is out of date. There are certain=20 things we in NYC just don't take chances with. Even though > there isn't a program created which can generate it -yet-, the=20 fact that > there is DSP which can decode it means it's not a great stretch to=20 come up > with some code which can generate it. The same computer which=20 does HD > should be able to do it since we're already dealing with QAM. Great idea. Who is going to write, test, certify, and market this=20 program? And get the FCC to certify it? You can't put that on the=20 air unless it gets FCC approval, and that's a grueling process. Tom Ray WOR From wnmb@sc.rr.com Fri Nov 10 09:11:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71257 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2006 17:10:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2006 17:10:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.198) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2006 17:10:13 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n7.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2006 17:08:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2006 17:08:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2006 17:08:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:08:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.60.215.93 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: Re: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=7nw9eOejhOv00GJmbrD5rXh_SRKcS-sadrzEH9Ae9StYGA X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 There are brand new no problem CQuam Exciters available right now=20 from Delta Electronics. I bought my exciter and mod monitor a year=20 ago and they have been problem free.=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > > > Well, Tom, a lot of the modern AM audio processors support=20 stereo,=20 > so going > > AM stereo should IBOC fail isn't as silly an idea as it seems. >=20 > [TR] Didn't say it was silly. It's very easy to connect the=20 > composite stereo output from the processor to the exciter...which=20 is=20 > already there anyway, as the analog FM stereo is still on the=20 air.=20=20 > If I connect the stereo output of my AM processor to the=20 > transmitter, what do I get? Nothing except either a left or a=20 right=20 > channel being transmit in mono...or both (mono L+R) if I tie them=20 > together. I would need another piece of gear (ie, an AM stereo=20 > exciter) to make the station stereo, and that simply isn't going=20 to=20 > happen unless there is an FCC mandate to do so. And I'm not going=20 > to buy one on ebay and put it on the air. I've got other things=20 to=20 > do with my time than refurbish a piece of equipment that I=20 probably=20 > can't find major parts for and is out of date. There are certain=20 > things we in NYC just don't take chances with. >=20 >=20 > Even though > > there isn't a program created which can generate it -yet-, the=20 > fact that > > there is DSP which can decode it means it's not a great stretch=20 to=20 > come up > > with some code which can generate it. The same computer which=20 > does HD > > should be able to do it since we're already dealing with QAM. >=20 > Great idea. Who is going to write, test, certify, and market this=20 > program? And get the FCC to certify it? You can't put that on=20 the=20 > air unless it gets FCC approval, and that's a grueling process. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Nov 10 10:08:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24504 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2006 18:07:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2006 18:07:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.21) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2006 18:07:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2006 18:05:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2006 18:05:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:05:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.55 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=XNVUUpjDbMmHH-AC8tcktKq7hvNNL-RxnCFHQngHsVE8Nedjjw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > > There are brand new no problem CQuam Exciters available right now=20 > from Delta Electronics. I bought my exciter and mod monitor a year=20 > ago and they have been problem free.=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > > > > > Well, Tom, a lot of the modern AM audio processors support=20 > stereo,=20 > > so going > > > AM stereo should IBOC fail isn't as silly an idea as it seems. > >=20 > > [TR] Didn't say it was silly. It's very easy to connect the=20 > > composite stereo output from the processor to the exciter...which=20 > is=20 > > already there anyway, as the analog FM stereo is still on the=20 > air.=20=20 > > If I connect the stereo output of my AM processor to the=20 > > transmitter, what do I get? Nothing except either a left or a=20 > right=20 > > channel being transmit in mono...or both (mono L+R) if I tie them=20 > > together. I would need another piece of gear (ie, an AM stereo=20 > > exciter) to make the station stereo, and that simply isn't going=20 > to=20 > > happen unless there is an FCC mandate to do so. And I'm not=20 going=20 > > to buy one on ebay and put it on the air. I've got other things=20 > to=20 > > do with my time than refurbish a piece of equipment that I=20 > probably=20 > > can't find major parts for and is out of date. There are certain=20 > > things we in NYC just don't take chances with. > >=20 > >=20 > > Even though > > > there isn't a program created which can generate it -yet-, the=20 > > fact that > > > there is DSP which can decode it means it's not a great stretch=20 > to=20 > > come up > > > with some code which can generate it. The same computer which=20 > > does HD > > > should be able to do it since we're already dealing with QAM. > >=20 > > Great idea. Who is going to write, test, certify, and market=20 this=20 > > program? And get the FCC to certify it? You can't put that on=20 > the=20 > > air unless it gets FCC approval, and that's a grueling process. > >=20 > > Tom Ray > > WOR > > > There is something wrong with your equation and I don't know why. The=20 AM Stereo state here, in Chile (and I guess most other South America=20 countries), isn't a money problem to the broadcasters (there are a=20 lot of South America TX makers who offer you AM Stereo TXs with a non- important extra charge). AM here has a lot of good music formats (to=20 all kind of tastes). Not, our problem is other: WHERE ARE THE=20 RECEIVERS? You can find thousands and thousand of AM radio models=20 here, but all of them: MONO only. Even car radios!!! I don't know=20 why. It seems to me as a "vicious circle": as you don't broadcast in=20 stereo, I don't sell stereo receivers. But, who can assure us if we=20 would be broadcasting in stereo there would be stereo receivers? And=20 it has been that way since 1980's. If you add the fact our=20 gobermments never took some official decision about what AM Stereo=20 system Chile would have... this is my beautiful country!!! hahahaha!!! But, I'm so near to get AM Stereo in my small station. Of course, I=20 have a very great heartache because my local engineer failed twice=20 with the ISB-Kahn system (too much phasing problems and we couldn't=20 get any original circuit diagram in the web to compare) so he decided=20 experiment with the standard MOTOROLA C-QUAM system because he made=20 AM Stereo C-QUAM TXs before, without serious problems, and he told me=20 there are a lot of web literature in the web about it. Sorry and so=20 bad to me!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Nov 10 14:12:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65939 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2006 22:06:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2006 22:06:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s4.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.140) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2006 22:06:44 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.98]) by bay0-omc2-s4.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:06:13 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:06:13 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 22:06:11 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 22:06:11 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2006 22:06:13.0629 (UTC) FILETIME=[6FC932D0:01C70514] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=3rUdgoLSmmM9PQ46UHE33lXTPMw7luqGb3tX1tyjFB4cF6X-RDoMPDRNXoQ X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Scott Todd, wisely commented: "so going AM stereo should IBOC fail isn't as silly an idea as it seems. Even though there isn't a program created which can generate it -yet-, the fact that there is DSP which can decode it means it's not a great stretch to come up with some code which can generate it. The same computer which does HD should be able to do it since we're already dealing with (C)QAM." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree, it certainly shouldn't be more difficult than putting a man on the moon or figuring and filling out the tax forms! :) Donn ----- Original Message -------- From: "Scott Todd" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WSM Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:10:07 -0600 Well, Tom, a lot of the modern AM audio processors support stereo, so going AM stereo should IBOC fail isn't as silly an idea as it seems. Even though there isn't a program created which can generate it -yet-, the fact that there is DSP which can decode it means it's not a great stretch to come up with some code which can generate it. The same computer which does HD should be able to do it since we're already dealing with QAM. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ray" >No, they wouldn't. The FM/HD processors have built in analog stereo >generators. Nothing to buy, nothing to configure, as the analog FM >stereo is already on the air. > >And what computer program generates an AM Stereo signal? I know of >none. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Nov 10 17:39:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22021 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2006 01:37:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2006 01:37:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2006 01:37:24 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.105.159.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.105.159] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Giho6-0004P6-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:37:19 -0500 Message-ID: <019101c70531$2b33cd20$9f695b04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:31:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=LsOTUk5VkR5XBQL2XFsmgHbC9SYmdwCZp-M7InG8flNxvJHXMffBoRKb7wue-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: >I've got other things to do with my time than refurbish a piece of >equipment that I probably can't find major parts for and is out of date. You know even more than most members of this Yahoo Group the reason AM Stereo flopped with broadcasters was it was sold as a magic box that would fix all ills. (Kahn STILL markets his ISB exciters this way.) The fact is Analog AM stereo requires sometimes very expensive modifications to the antenna farm to make it broadbanded enough to pass the Stereo signal, and most transmitters had to be modified or replaced for Stereo to perform at it's best. Broadcasters cut corners and just stuck the magic box on the transmitter, it sounded like sh*t, they unplugged it and that was the end of that! On the other hand, HD-Radio absolutely will not work at all unless the very same modifications and upgrades needed to make Analog stereo work are performed, so a former AM HD-Radio station would sound breathtakingly good in C-QUAM and would not experience the nightmares the former Stereo stations had when they just plugged in the "magic box" instead of properly broad-banding the entire transmitter plant. > >There are certain things we in NYC just don't take chances with. It is interesting to note that 1600 WWRL, New York had it's highest ratings when it was broadcasting in High Fidelity C-QUAM AM Stereo. WWRL's ratings tanked as soon as they went Mono broadcasting in KAHN Power-Side. Logic would say the better sounding C-QUAM signal attracted New Yorkers so they would listen to the station. The Arbitron book shows New Yorkers tuned away from WWRL in droves when it started broadcasting on Mono with the rather nasty sounding Power-Side system. Since history does repeat itself, one would have to assume those very same listeners who tuned away from the nasty sounding Power-Side signal will also tune their analog radios away from the nasty sounding analog signal of an HD-Radio. Chances are, they will switch this time to XM. Logic would also say that broadcasting a High Fidelity C-QUAM Stereo signal would attract listeners to WOR, just as it did for WWRL. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Nov 10 17:46:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6116 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2006 01:46:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2006 01:46:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2006 01:46:30 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.105.159.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.105.159] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GihvH-00051T-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:44:43 -0500 Message-ID: <01a801c70532$342e1f10$9f695b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <005701c704c9$8d3ef700$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:39:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=OBr1B0y_g4OtRHaTHxmhIeI7R9WXJL5v5F7hoh5x8pZkr74PEKDr7KzC_ZTHng X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Scott Todd wrote: >The same computer which does HD should be able to do it since we're already >dealing with QAM. While it would be nice if the HD-Exciter manufacturers would cook up a code to generate a C-QUAM signal at night, it just ain't very likely to happen. Speaking of exciters, other than the programming, are there any differences between HD-Radio and DRM exciters? When HD-Radio on AM bites the dust, can a HD-Radio exciter be re-programmed to generate a DRM signal? Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From tomray@wor710.com Fri Nov 10 17:51:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65962 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2006 01:50:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2006 01:50:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.111) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2006 01:50:15 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n12.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2006 01:49:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2006 01:49:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2006 01:49:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 01:49:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <019101c70531$2b33cd20$9f695b04@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.111 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=I7vEVv0oz14qMo7R4-LEMNrMRwbekDxbG4i9Lm4kKAM55d5d X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > >=20 > It is interesting to note that 1600 WWRL, New York had it's highest ratings=20 > when it was broadcasting in High Fidelity C-QUAM AM Stereo. WWRL's ratings=20 > tanked as soon as they went Mono broadcasting in KAHN Power-Side. [TR] You neglect to mention the fact that, at around the same time, WWRL dropped their music format for their present talk and time brokered formet. My guess is that had more to do with a ratings drop than a change in AM stereo system. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Fri Nov 10 17:54:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39372 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2006 01:53:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2006 01:53:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.167) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2006 01:53:53 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n7.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2006 01:53:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2006 01:53:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2006 01:53:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 01:53:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.167 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=CcCXylFmInTfx9PkdMFH8SQEC7ORIpQbuZDE7GC9yQH40m2T X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > > There are brand new no problem CQuam Exciters available right now=20 > from Delta Electronics. I bought my exciter and mod monitor a year=20 > ago and they have been problem free.=20 You're right, Bill....and Delta makes a good, though overpriced product (that goes for just about any item in their line). But my point has been totally missed, as this started out as a reply to someone who asked if we would be converting our FM stations to mono if HD tanked.=20=20 My point being, it costs me nothing to continue the analog FM stereo signal, as it is already on the air, and the stereo gen is part of the processor. On WOR, if HD tanks, it's really easy and cheap to simply push mono audio into the transmitter that already accepts the mono signal - with no additional dollars applied. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Fri Nov 10 17:58:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42709 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2006 01:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2006 01:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2006 01:57:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2006 01:57:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2006 01:57:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 01:57:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <019101c70531$2b33cd20$9f695b04@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=k-CFCVKU-_f1HTZbL1NSZCqTjoYmbTdIEEALmZOcOxDDghem X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: >=20 > On the other hand, HD-Radio absolutely will not work at all unless the very=20 > same modifications and upgrades needed to make Analog stereo work are=20 > performed, so a former AM HD-Radio station would sound breathtakingly good=20 > in C-QUAM and would not experience the nightmares the former Stereo stations=20 > had when they just plugged in the "magic box" instead of properly=20 > broad-banding the entire transmitter plant. > > The transmitters I have are broad DC to light, and the antenna system, even with the extreme filtering and detuning, has great VSWR +/- 20kHz, so C-Quam would work very well through the system. But....the point of my post was that it costs the station nothing - zero - to simply plug in mono audio. Unless there were a concerted effort to promote AM Stereo, a mono signal would be on the air. Tom Ray WOR From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Nov 10 19:09:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78677 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2006 03:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2006 03:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2006 03:05:58 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.157]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 129232445 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:03:47 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201c7053e$4aeb6300$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <005701c704c9$8d3ef700$d503fea9@stodd> <01a801c70532$342e1f10$9f695b04@PossumHunter> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:05:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 1, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.157 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=6AC0JFxuPVx37gybXpYGppDJrLbX3pfcEuN_ezN_CylGLeQj4AOK X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I don't see why not. Hams are using DRM so it can't be that complicated. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > Speaking of exciters, other than the programming, are there any differences > between HD-Radio and DRM exciters? When HD-Radio on AM bites the dust, can a > HD-Radio exciter be re-programmed to generate a DRM signal? > From jimbo@burgan.net Fri Nov 10 19:28:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18205 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2006 03:23:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2006 03:23:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO qmix.com) (209.43.120.44) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2006 03:23:15 -0000 Received: from jburgan (host-69-95-183-85.ind.choiceone.net [69.95.183.85]) by qmix.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id kAB3LES32003 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 22:21:14 -0500 Message-ID: <004401c70540$71764290$9a0110ac@jburgan> To: References: Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 22:21:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 209.43.120.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=ymuiXqFwn_vyUezbYA63vY0QX5-HIc776LXHHlA8dCtYmko X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >> Tom Ray wrote: >> My point being, it costs me nothing to continue the analog FM stereo >> signal, as it is already on the air, and the stereo gen is part of the >> processor. On WOR, if HD tanks, it's really easy and cheap to simply >> push mono audio into the transmitter that already accepts the mono >> signal - with no additional dollars applied. Tom... As of right now... do you really think there is a chance that broadcasters will dump HD on the AM band? Is there even a remote chance that WOR will abandon HD radio under ANY circumstances? While I have your ear, Tom: I'm wondering what is the delay on the FCC not approving IBOC on AM at night. There was supposed to be a definitive decision 6 months ago. What is the delay? What kinds of problems are they seeing that is causing the delay? Can it be overcome? I'm curious, and I am also interested to hear your spin on all of it Tom. I have a couple of HD Radio, a Boston Acoustics and an Alpine in my Jimmy. Thanks.... -Jim- From jimsmith@vfr.net Fri Nov 10 20:32:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26362 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2006 04:30:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2006 04:30:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.118) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2006 04:30:17 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2006 04:30:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2006 04:30:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2006 04:30:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 04:30:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.118 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.16.134.74 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=zTMqOj1-aD-fOCBNGEbEhuSkD1D2VMJWXr3ALf0kRlcBzYtcNDjiBQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > > > > There are brand new no problem CQuam Exciters available right now=20 > > from Delta Electronics. I bought my exciter and mod monitor a=20 year=20 > > ago and they have been problem free.=20 > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" =20 wrote: > > > > > > > > Well, Tom, a lot of the modern AM audio processors support=20 > > stereo,=20 > > > so going > > > > AM stereo should IBOC fail isn't as silly an idea as it seems. > > >=20 > > > [TR] Didn't say it was silly. It's very easy to connect the=20 > > > composite stereo output from the processor to the=20 exciter...which=20 > > is=20 > > > already there anyway, as the analog FM stereo is still on the=20 > > air.=20=20 > > > If I connect the stereo output of my AM processor to the=20 > > > transmitter, what do I get? Nothing except either a left or a=20 > > right=20 > > > channel being transmit in mono...or both (mono L+R) if I tie=20 them=20 > > > together. I would need another piece of gear (ie, an AM stereo=20 > > > exciter) to make the station stereo, and that simply isn't=20 going=20 > > to=20 > > > happen unless there is an FCC mandate to do so. And I'm not=20 > going=20 > > > to buy one on ebay and put it on the air. I've got other=20 things=20 > > to=20 > > > do with my time than refurbish a piece of equipment that I=20 > > probably=20 > > > can't find major parts for and is out of date. There are=20 certain=20 > > > things we in NYC just don't take chances with. > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Even though > > > > there isn't a program created which can generate it -yet-,=20 the=20 > > > fact that > > > > there is DSP which can decode it means it's not a great=20 stretch=20 > > to=20 > > > come up > > > > with some code which can generate it. The same computer=20 which=20 > > > does HD > > > > should be able to do it since we're already dealing with QAM. > > >=20 > > > Great idea. Who is going to write, test, certify, and market=20 > this=20 > > > program? And get the FCC to certify it? You can't put that on=20 > > the=20 > > > air unless it gets FCC approval, and that's a grueling process. > > >=20 > > > Tom Ray > > > WOR > > > > > >=20 > There is something wrong with your equation and I don't know why.=20 The=20 > AM Stereo state here, in Chile (and I guess most other South=20 America=20 > countries), isn't a money problem to the broadcasters (there are a=20 > lot of South America TX makers who offer you AM Stereo TXs with a=20 non- > important extra charge). AM here has a lot of good music formats=20 (to=20 > all kind of tastes). Not, our problem is other: WHERE ARE THE=20 > RECEIVERS? You can find thousands and thousand of AM radio models=20 > here, but all of them: MONO only. Even car radios!!! I don't know=20 > why. It seems to me as a "vicious circle": as you don't broadcast=20 in=20 > stereo, I don't sell stereo receivers. But, who can assure us if we=20 > would be broadcasting in stereo there would be stereo receivers?=20 And=20 > it has been that way since 1980's. If you add the fact our=20 > gobermments never took some official decision about what AM Stereo=20 > system Chile would have... this is my beautiful country!!!=20 hahahaha!!! >=20 > But, I'm so near to get AM Stereo in my small station. Of course, I=20 > have a very great heartache because my local engineer failed twice=20 > with the ISB-Kahn system (too much phasing problems and we couldn't=20 > get any original circuit diagram in the web to compare) so he=20 decided=20 > experiment with the standard MOTOROLA C-QUAM system because he made=20 > AM Stereo C-QUAM TXs before, without serious problems, and he told=20 me=20 > there are a lot of web literature in the web about it. Sorry and so=20 > bad to me!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > Hi Juan If you go to the home page here on this site and click=20 on "RADIOS" that will link you to a AM STEREO radio ordering site=20 called AUDIO CUBES there you can order two AM STEREO walkmans and one=20 small potable AM STEREO radio all made buy SONY . Take care Juan .=20 Keep the fathe!!!!! Jim Smith From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 10 21:04:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34038 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2006 05:02:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2006 05:02:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.203) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2006 05:02:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 44686 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2006 05:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jim8wpwl0kyh37) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.16.134.74 with login) by smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2006 05:00:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: CdFe5kcVM1mtKuyXTn_8OJxpNjTZN1syZzH3eoLSy5srnLJd5CT5uwxkEe_ZfLJ5aDSK4_CcwyBe2mcJlqjG7mwBVoukliT73UGgqyxLej5ace_yxBht Message-ID: <000901c7054e$42c0ad60$d50bfea9@jim8wpwl0kyh37> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:00:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: Tom Ray X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=Xsz5zkNZnoNF8q2w7cBCoznAvWtLs2e_SMKKRMJj1QKyJAbE2ooX0pFokyJbkoWdtNMFlSk9 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Tom I can't find the post that you said a C-QuAM programing would not get past the FCC for your HD exciter. By the whay of my thinking C-QuAM is C-QuAM weather it be broadcasted by tude computer or solid state. The obstcal is the two companys Motorola and Ibiquty to agrey to let that hapen wich i sereusly don't think thats going to happen in my life time and i am 42 years old. Take care Tom and Gang. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Nov 11 05:20:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52538 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2006 13:20:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2006 13:20:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52210.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.133) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2006 13:20:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 96812 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Nov 2006 13:19:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20061111131949.96810.qmail@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.163] by web52210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 05:19:49 PST Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 05:19:49 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000901c7054e$42c0ad60$d50bfea9@jim8wpwl0kyh37> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tom Ray X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=0xdU20NUfpCduCAGRVjDOcVEdKgHIVGZfu9ozO4fBRI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hi Tom I can't find the post that you said a C-QuAM > programing would not get past the FCC for your HD > exciter. He didn't say that. He said it had to be "type accepted" which is a big thing to go through. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 11 06:14:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26294 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2006 14:12:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2006 14:12:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.205) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2006 14:12:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 7631 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2006 14:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jim8wpwl0kyh37) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@71.155.149.75 with login) by smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2006 14:09:49 -0000 Message-ID: <001401c7059b$0f0cb7f0$d50bfea9@jim8wpwl0kyh37> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: References: <000801c703f2$4dfc7c70$d50bfea9@jim8wpwl0kyh37> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 06:09:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: I have a AM STEREO idea!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=r9LomnhdljLM__mXxYk5BbpqL9dRC-lh72BX22gFVcy_zAYSWRM9ISiYeMU80MP7FN7ZoJkY X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I bet that if Chris Cuff was still campaning he would like that idea insted of noking it down. Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net To: am stereo forum Cc: jim smith Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 3:29 AM Subject: I have a AM STEREO idea!!!! Hi Gang I have a idea. What if some or all of us on the forum donated some money in to a citty and buy some new AM STEREO radios and go maket by maket and sell them and tell them every one in the markets to call there am radio stations tell that thay want hear AM STEREO agan. Or the sellers tell the stations that thay are selling AM STEREO's in there area. I don't think thats a bad idea for a tired man. Buy gang Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat Nov 11 06:40:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71529 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2006 14:36:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2006 14:36:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52010.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.93) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2006 14:36:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 44535 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Nov 2006 14:35:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20061111143531.44533.qmail@web52010.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.109.210.118] by web52010.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 06:35:31 PST Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 06:35:31 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.93 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} I geuss you mist my poit. (sic) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=yy1qm6VuEks2ZBVf75EsAGJrAUeKvmm3sG2LKiqkxxuCjBfnQKoS X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio While content IS king, just having music wouldn't be enough. Those satellite music formats are killers. Even a 4-year-old can tell the format comes in a can. "... right here on your favorite station" 24 hours a day is just another jukebox. Listeners aren't stupid: they know a bad product most of the time and that's exactly what those satellite-delivered music stations are: bad product. Take a look at the ABC format Real Country. I know of 2 stations that had it and are now doing other programming (all Headline News on WCNX and all sports on WAOC.) Unless you're purposely trying to lose money don't rely on a satellite music format or some 5th-rate talk network. They DON'T work. Jay ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From jimsmith@vfr.net Sat Nov 11 11:07:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15177 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2006 19:02:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2006 19:02:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.170) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2006 19:02:05 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n8.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2006 19:01:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2006 19:01:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2006 19:01:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:01:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20061111143531.44533.qmail@web52010.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.30.70.232 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I geuss you mist my poit. (sic) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=BBfl1M5TKiehF0YJqfoDpso-sEGKbb6AB2M-TYQLnVrol7NrOi7Qqw X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > While content IS king, just having music wouldn't > be enough. Those satellite music formats are > killers. Even a 4-year-old can tell the format > comes in a can. "... right here on your favorite > station" 24 hours a day is just another jukebox.=20 > Listeners aren't stupid: they know a bad product > most of the time and that's exactly what those > satellite-delivered music stations are: bad > product. Take a look at the ABC format Real > Country. I know of 2 stations that had it and > are now doing other programming (all Headline > News on WCNX and all sports on WAOC.) Unless > you're purposely trying to lose money don't rely > on a satellite music format or some 5th-rate talk > network. They DON'T work. >=20 > Jay >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > Hi Jay Free radio stinks for the most part. Jim Smith From tomray@wor710.com Sat Nov 11 11:42:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94648 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2006 19:37:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2006 19:37:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.22) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2006 19:37:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2006 19:36:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2006 19:36:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:36:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20061111131949.96810.qmail@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Tom Ray X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=6Zp0vDjODQ_4bgX6ydMm74Y34RNiVmtKHGhtsoJkoIwGLIR9 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Doesn't matter what generates the signal. It must be approved by the FCC. You can't just go and put something on the air. It's all in the FCC regs. Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > >=20 >=20 > --- jimsmith95663@... wrote: >=20 > > Hi Tom I can't find the post that you said a C-QuAM > > programing would not get past the FCC for your HD > > exciter.=20 >=20 > He didn't say that. He said it had to be "type > accepted" which is a big thing to go through. >=20 > Powell >=20 > w4opw@... > NNNN! > From tomray@wor710.com Sat Nov 11 11:45:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54852 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2006 19:45:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2006 19:45:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.23) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2006 19:45:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2006 19:45:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2006 19:45:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:45:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004401c70540$71764290$9a0110ac@jburgan> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=3rjY5ltnMvcM3n46udjyvJRE-a9PGq_iGB6ypRuc7BtsLDsu X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: >=20 > Tom... As of right now... do you really think there is a chance that=20 > broadcasters will dump HD on the AM band? [TR] If the FCC finally gives the full green light, I think you'll see more HD AM stations. We had a little computer glitch last week when I was away on vacation...the system has been so reliable, the operators have simply stopped looking for the "HD on" light...and the HD was on at night. I happened to call into the remote control and found it on, so I shut it off. Next day, I got an email from a listener, rip roaring mad that on one night, he was listening to his favorite program in HD, and the next night it was "back to staticy, crappy old AM". Once Joe Public gets a taste of it, I think more stations will have to put it on. > Is there even a remote chance that WOR will abandon HD radio under ANY=20 > circumstances? [TR] The only circumstance would be the FCC saying to shut it off. > While I have your ear, Tom: I'm wondering what is the delay on the FCC not=20 > approving IBOC on AM at night. > There was supposed to be a definitive decision 6 months ago. > What is the delay? [TR] AM Nighttime is tied up with all the HD rules...it's not just AM nighttime they're making decisions on. The holdup presently is what the Commission is going to do about public service requirements on the HD multicast channels on FM. That is the big holdup. Our FCC attorney says that he's see the draft of the AM nighttime rule and it's very positive. Now, we just wait....... > What kinds of problems are they seeing that is causing the delay? > Can it be overcome? > I'm curious, and I am also interested to hear your spin on all of it Tom. > I have a couple of HD Radio, a Boston Acoustics and an Alpine in my Jimmy. [TR] Bet the Alpine has a better front end than the BA!! Tom Ray WOR > Thanks.... > -Jim- > From jimsmith@vfr.net Sat Nov 11 14:02:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15370 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2006 21:57:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2006 21:57:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.101) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2006 21:57:03 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n9.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2006 21:56:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2006 21:56:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2006 21:56:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 21:56:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.125.175 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: Tom Ray X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=fiZDYTgW9ofaE8q8wtwIzQyvc8K0w06n6CRyIcD5MaE-g3IXSclXVg X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > Doesn't matter what generates the signal. It must be approved by=20 the > FCC. You can't just go and put something on the air. It's all in=20 the > FCC regs. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > >=20 > >=20 > > --- jimsmith95663@ wrote: > >=20 > > > Hi Tom I can't find the post that you said a C-QuAM > > > programing would not get past the FCC for your HD > > > exciter.=20 > >=20 > > He didn't say that. He said it had to be "type > > accepted" which is a big thing to go through. > >=20 > > Powell > >=20 > > w4opw@ > > NNNN! > > > Hi Tom Oh !!! Jim Smith From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Nov 11 14:33:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10993 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2006 22:26:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2006 22:26:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.167) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2006 22:26:35 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n7.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2006 22:24:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2006 22:24:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2006 22:24:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 22:24:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.167 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.118 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Different countries, different cultures X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=PgrGGZDCxPWXru3X6jDPlmS0vLzthWiCH0CBwx2mfoAll1P0fQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI AM STEREO GANG!!! It's very nice to know there are a lot of AM problems in USA, in=20 Chile and all over the world!!! hahahaha!!! But there are different countries and different cultures and=20 different ways to solve the problems. I see an strong FCC rules subjection in the USA broadcasters, a very=20 rare thing here, in Chile, hahahahaha!!! If you find more than 5=20 stations who observes/follows all the SUBTEL (the Chilean FCC) rules,=20 HA! I give you an award!!! In all the cases, I don't think the AM system (Mono, Stereo or=20 Digital) used has a very important "weight" in the AM listeners=20 decision. How can we convince the people to hear AM band if the AM=20 station owners has FM stations and they need people hear FM too? There was a time, here in Chile, when we can listen two very=20 different format to AM and FM but today almost all stations transmit=20 the same, exactly the same, in AM and FM. So, if somebody can hear=20 the FM band and he/she knows in the AM band is the same, do you think=20 he/she would want to change the switch to AM band? I don't think so. Is there some solution? I don't know. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Nov 11 15:57:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77288 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2006 23:42:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2006 23:42:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2006 23:42:06 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.105.102.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.105.102] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Gj2Mp-0000Yc-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:34:32 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01c705e9$f00e0d00$66695b04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:34:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Tom Ray X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=Cb6fqeJ4fqNRCbfKgTcOkiRSgJs2A5zx55zrQ4bAb_QHjHrvfGwhvb5_SGJYqA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Ray wrote: > Doesn't matter what generates the signal. It must be approved by the FCC. True, and even if somebody cooked up a program to make an HD exciter produce a C-QUAM signal, Each make and model exciter would have to be type accepted by the FCC for use in C-QUAM mode, even if it was already type accepted for use in the HD-Radio mode. Most former HD-Radio broadcasters would be better off to just buy a C-QUAM Stereo exciter and put the HD-Radio exciter where it belongs...The Garbage can. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Nov 11 16:15:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48128 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2006 00:11:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2006 00:11:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2006 00:11:37 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.105.102.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.105.102] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Gj2wW-0005UI-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:11:24 -0500 Message-ID: <007501c705ef$170f26a0$66695b04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:11:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=oidJWQCy0NBsDGq8FkHwPs2syaYkoaLp68idr-uIMZdfMflo04kXQrWZpnjv5A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: > WWRL dropped their music format for their present talk and time brokered > format. My guess is that had more to do with a ratings drop than a change > in AM stereo system. Then perhaps WOR should consider flipping to an Urban-Caribbean music format. You could keep transmitter 1 in HD-Radio for Daytime use and Transmitter 2 could be converted to C-QUAM for Night. The simple fact is a 50 KW Class A AM should have better ratings than the horrible 2.0 (Number 19) in the number ONE radio market in the US! Perhaps with an Urban format, WOR could pull some numbers away from WRKS (4.4), WQHT (4.1), WBLS (4.0), and WWPR (3.6). Or, WOR could flip to Tropical and try to get some of that 5.7 that WSKQ is pulling. Buckley must be a GREAT place to work because in every other place I have ever worked in radio, heads would roll if the staff couldn't keep a 50KW station in at least the Top 10, and there would be little job security unless the station was in the top 5. Wednesday, heads went to the chopping block when Clear Channel's WTKS-FM ratings dropped from 4.5 to 3.7 (Number 14 in Orlando) Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From amfmtech@yahoo.com Sat Nov 11 16:54:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74189 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2006 00:51:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2006 00:51:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56806.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2006 00:51:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 60057 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Nov 2006 00:51:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20061112005132.60055.qmail@web56806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56806.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:51:32 PST Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:51:32 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <019101c70531$2b33cd20$9f695b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.80 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=WuSUFh-gOURtUWIkaGVCHRbAxN6tlfzTD6ESq9idPfdJfaE X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That is not a problem unique to Kahn, but to all systems which employ any type of transmission method requiring a constant linearity in all vectors of the array. ...Harold Possum Hunter wrote: Analog AM stereo requires sometimes very expensive modifications to the antenna farm to make it broadbanded enough to pass the Stereo signal, and most transmitters had to be modified or replaced for Stereo to perform at it's best. --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Sat Nov 11 19:56:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87530 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2006 03:51:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2006 03:51:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flpi102.sbcis.sbc.com) (207.115.20.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2006 03:51:50 -0000 X-ORBL: [68.251.145.123] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-251-145-123.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.251.145.123]) by flpi102.sbcis.sbc.com (8.13.7 out spool5000 dk/8.13.7) with SMTP id kAC3q4Iw000495 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:52:04 -0800 Message-ID: <003201c7060d$dd5e8850$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 22:51:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0647-0, 11/09/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.20.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=YrDdvB2nnZCZTJydildHGO-kOB4XnjLnc1ex5fAonmKZnMg X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >> I have a couple of HD Radio, a Boston Acoustics and an Alpine in my >> Jimmy. > [TR] Bet the Alpine has a better front end than the BA!! That's an understatement.... From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Nov 11 20:32:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50010 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2006 04:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2006 04:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao08.cox.net) (68.230.241.31) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2006 04:23:31 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061112042218.GOND18207.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 23:22:18 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id lgNP1V00l2DrW980000000; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 23:22:24 -0500 In-Reply-To: <007501c705ef$170f26a0$66695b04@PossumHunter> References: <007501c705ef$170f26a0$66695b04@PossumHunter> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <60BE7DBD-0CBB-4017-BCB3-C9555511DF44@cox.net> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 20:22:17 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=qrROtKXgP-UijT1vB1YrFmC7gR68xk2CKPfUp3YyLr1w13KTU78Bn0cz7DNq X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I really hate these types of posts. Fact is, in Los Angeles, there are many FMs, let alone 50,000 watt AMs, that are under 2.0. And it has NOTHING to do with stereo vs. mono, HD vs. analog. it's all programming. And a highly rated station isn't necessarily making more money than a lower rated station. WOR must be making money, or they would do something else. Richard Wagoner On Nov 11, 2006, at 4:11 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > Tom Ray wrote: > > WWRL dropped their music format for their present talk and time > brokered > > format. My guess is that had more to do with a ratings drop than > a change > > in AM stereo system. > > Then perhaps WOR should consider flipping to an Urban-Caribbean music > format. You could keep transmitter 1 in HD-Radio for Daytime use and > Transmitter 2 could be converted to C-QUAM for Night. > > The simple fact is a 50 KW Class A AM should have better ratings > than the > horrible 2.0 (Number 19) in the number ONE radio market in the US! > Perhaps > with an Urban format, WOR could pull some numbers away from WRKS > (4.4), WQHT > (4.1), WBLS (4.0), and WWPR (3.6). Or, WOR could flip to Tropical > and try to > get some of that 5.7 that WSKQ is pulling. > > Buckley must be a GREAT place to work because in every other place > I have > ever worked in radio, heads would roll if the staff couldn't keep a > 50KW > station in at least the Top 10, and there would be little job security > unless the station was in the top 5. Wednesday, heads went to the > chopping > block when Clear Channel's WTKS-FM ratings dropped from 4.5 to 3.7 > (Number > 14 in Orlando) > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a > mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard > Kahn > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Sun Nov 12 14:50:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45378 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2006 22:49:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2006 22:49:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.167) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2006 22:49:44 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n7.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2006 22:48:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2006 22:48:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2006 22:48:07 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 22:48:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007501c705ef$170f26a0$66695b04@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.167 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=OXGmtCPg1_8QQdq1Skso2UnQ57PFseZAa1abflb92bXTmOHE X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: >=20 > Buckley must be a GREAT place to work because in every other place=20 I have=20 > ever worked in radio, heads would roll if the staff couldn't keep=20 a 50KW=20 > station in at least the Top 10, and there would be little job=20 security=20 > unless the station was in the top 5.=20 Buckley is privately held. Big difference in the way the business=20 is run from a publicly held company....while $ is always the root of=20 everything, we don't have shareholders fuming about things, and the=20 company is comfortable with the income level. The programming on=20 WOR is unique to the station and has a loyal following. While=20 ratings are important, they're not the be-all/end-all in our=20 company. If anything, we take far too long to make changes when=20 they're required. Tom Ray WOR From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Nov 12 18:00:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 850 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2006 01:48:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2006 01:48:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2006 01:48:42 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.78]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 131173298 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 19:46:30 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <008a01c706c5$d6402340$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 19:48:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.211.78 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Different countries, different cultures X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=0H1JbrZhLi8Wmf3XHy9U6vS4PbtjpedScNNV-80QtmZPXSDiSv9J X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Your govenment would have to pass a new law forbidding it. There used to be such a rule here, but somewhere along the way it got overturned. Even though simulcasting is no longer banned, I think a lot of broadcasters realized their AM signal was a way to generate more money with an entirely different audience. Trouble is, it takes some creativity and even some people to create the content. Broadcasters like to take the easy way out like most everyone on the planet. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" There was a time, here in Chile, when we can listen two very different format to AM and FM but today almost all stations transmit the same, exactly the same, in AM and FM. So, if somebody can hear the FM band and he/she knows in the AM band is the same, do you think he/she would want to change the switch to AM band? I don't think so. Is there some solution? I don't know. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Nov 13 16:59:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29702 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2006 00:50:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2006 00:50:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2006 00:50:19 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.254.133.66.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.254.133.66] helo=PossumHunter) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GjmNn-0005mQ-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:42:36 -0500 Message-ID: <012601c70785$c75d6520$4285fe04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:42:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: WOR was: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=vDjutlNBBGTqysc52oTlgPT4LIN0Gr4QG4tr9NxU1SdBay9GtliqD9CmvJ9feA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: >While ratings are important, they're not the be-all/end-all in our company. >If anything, we take far too long to make changes when they're required. Gee sounds like a GREAT company to work for! The last time I worked for a major radio station owner (ABS), When they cleaned out WAIM 1230, they fired EVERYBODY right down to the Janitor! Then they put a Phantom on the air and sold the station! But then the last one station company I worked for, Golden Strip Broadcasting did the very same thing at WFIS 1600, but the CEO is a former Clear Channel executive! The next time Buckley has a position open in Engineering and / or Production, I will have to send a resume and a CD of my work! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Nov 14 08:25:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54790 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2006 16:20:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2006 16:20:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.159) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2006 16:20:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 89618 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2006 16:18:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20061114161853.89616.qmail@web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:18:53 PST Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:18:53 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.159 From: "John P." Subject: Re:CC=Evil, was WOR, was: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=4tBmyPOSPON7jCvmzakd1Vljyt9x8sd2f0o6QrCaOO_Jfq6DGhXL6AM X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I've noticed the clearchannel stations in the cluster here don't care as much about ratings as they do about billings. Their AM station playing standards would register between a 1.4 and a 2.2 yet they fired the staff and added FOX sports two years ago. Despite over 5,000 signatures, they've kept the Fox sports and have never broken a 1.0 share yet, even after 2 years. Why do they keep Fox - because there's income without doing much of anything? The forth-rated station in town (pothead burnout music) bills more than the #1 station in town - so the clearchannel cluster really doesn't care about shares, they only care about billings - show me the money boys. Too bad they don't remember that back in the Jacor days here that innovative programming = great ratings = nice billings. Jacor wasn't 'pure evil' yet until the CC/AM-FM merger with them. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Nov 15 18:04:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63541 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2006 01:58:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2006 01:58:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2006 01:58:25 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.208.25]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 132869856 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 19:53:04 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <007d01c70922$45109080$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20061114161853.89616.qmail@web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 19:55:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.208.25 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:CC=Evil, was WOR, was: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=HR7aUavmhn2Jqb-N647A4jVkUy2BYWK_y3lDqjM8EaETjaqvlq5c X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That's exactly why they do it. It's very common for most groups to do that with at least a few of their stations in any given market. Even if they bill less with this format, if there's also a lot less overhead, the station could be making more money now than with its previous format. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." Despite over 5,000 > signatures, they've kept the Fox sports and have never broken a 1.0 > share yet, even after 2 years. Why do they keep Fox - because there's > income without doing much of anything? 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmtech@yahoo.com Sun Nov 19 06:19:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40124 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2006 14:18:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2006 14:18:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56810.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.84) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2006 14:18:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 41277 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Nov 2006 14:05:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: coSUshgVM1nUoXQ5t7QRxIqD6TkJ6UW2iNFz2Jvo Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56810.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 06:05:45 PST Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 06:05:45 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20061114161853.89616.qmail@web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <143871.39848.qm@web56810.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.84 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:CC=Evil, was WOR, was: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=mw_-d7iuXXW-sc8dv3EaQXYbs8aNYrskRUzTUMWt_eY9em4 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What saves a lot of mediocre stations from financial disaster is the fact there is no choice. Given a larger competitive playing field and I think you would not see them bill as much as they are. Compare radio to restaurants. When I travel I have my choice of several restaurants no matter where I go. Suppose there were laws that said you can only have xx number of restaurants in a city, and permits for restaurants were issued by the government so new restaurants could not open. If, (for example), only White Castle and McDonald's were allowed to own restaurants, I would not go hungry. But my choices are narrowed. I might start eating at home more or looking around for alternatives. That new XM restaurant looks good, I hear. Given nothing, people will settle for something. To an outsider they see the making of money being a token of success. To someone that looks only at money it is. But the public, with no options, looses. To use a company's profit and loss statement to determine the benefit and good to a community would mean that you would have to say that a crack dealer with a hold on a neighborhood is a model citizen that people should respect. And I say this from working in radio for forty-five years, (now retired), and having an MBA in finance. ...Harold PS. John ... speaking of restaurants, is Tony Packos still in business on Front Street and Consaul? "John P." wrote: I've noticed the clearchannel stations in the cluster here don't care as much about ratings as they do about billings. Their AM station playing standards would register between a 1.4 and a 2.2 yet they fired the staff and added FOX sports two years ago. Despite over 5,000 signatures, they've kept the Fox sports and have never broken a 1.0 share yet, even after 2 years. Why do they keep Fox - because there's income without doing much of anything? The forth-rated station in town (pothead burnout music) bills more than the #1 station in town - so the clearchannel cluster really doesn't care about shares, they only care about billings - show me the money boys. Too bad they don't remember that back in the Jacor days here that innovative programming = great ratings = nice billings. Jacor wasn't 'pure evil' yet until the CC/AM-FM merger with them. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Sponsored Link $200,000 mortgage for $660/mo - 30/15 yr fixed, reduce debt, home equity - Click now for info [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bob_welch550@yahoo.com Tue Nov 21 11:50:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bob_welch550@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91561 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2006 19:42:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2006 19:42:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.183) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2006 19:42:18 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2006 19:41:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2006 19:41:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2006 19:41:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:41:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006501c704c9$bf999700$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.72.98.93 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: I have a AM STEREO idea!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213592090; y=wPZzmDZU1VE0qKkfaZVhH1UPQqKUVUINwKsyTs6EKtEGmjG2-irU X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Greetings Scott, 900 in Sherbrooke, Quebec (CKTS) has already gone silent. As of=20 November 14, the CRTC was notified by Corus that substantial=20 transmitter upgrades were needed on it's array and that when contacted=20 Standard Radio, CJAD 800's owner (CJAD has been relayed on 900 in=20 Sherbrooke for nearly a decade) was not interested in contributing to=20 the repairs. I was informed of this by reading Fybush.com this week. Bob @ WDEV- Waterbury, VT --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > 900 is already a Canadian clear... >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Norbert 26" >=20 > Need the FCC to make 900 KHZ a clear channel and have WNMB increase=20 power > to 100 KW and then this idea might work. > > > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Nov 21 13:16:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51093 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2006 21:07:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2006 21:07:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.152) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2006 21:07:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 24951 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Nov 2006 20:59:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20061121205907.24949.qmail@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: _aBzhxMVM1nlZ9F4FQe57z5y_jLAUTxqF7EFAB0iiT3DYgRtFiB4GCF7XGuekvs1.rlKElPpkAXI0CKzA3L5A7tSgPOvVmFS2zlpJqMFD33oReaAxRL.m3OR3uNY0CWjxqV9qDJ1WCw- Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:59:07 PST Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:59:07 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.152 From: "John P." Subject: Re: Cc=Evil, was WOR, was: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=0uGDvpthp4Ieeku_L-NjCwfmvNifKnrtN82OK42nsLspagfgZ8nfbR0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio ...Harold wrote: "... speaking of restaurants, is Tony Packos still in business on Front Street and Consaul?" Yes sir they are - serving-up the best Hungarian Hotdogs on the planet just like Max Klinger (Jamie Farr) indicated on M*A*S*H! Not only at their original spot, but they have another eatery next to the MudHens stadium downtown that just opened (just one block from CC HQ !!!) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $510k for $1,698/mo. Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Nov 21 13:44:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20261 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2006 21:37:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2006 21:37:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s32.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.232) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2006 21:37:17 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.81]) by bay0-omc3-s32.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:37:07 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:37:07 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:37:03 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20061121205907.24949.qmail@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:37:03 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2006 21:37:07.0101 (UTC) FILETIME=[31516CD0:01C70DB5] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Cc=Evil, was WOR, was: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=naeiTLfCxNPRk_PAzOH_SlRwassBvfVe5t88lIAVZNXxR6LqSjNBYB2u93A X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo speaking of Clear Channel..... from yesterday's radio column in the Sarasota Herald-Tribune, in which the Radio Babe mentions Clear Channels going sale in her reply: (WCTQ 106.5 is a ClearChannel owned station. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Article published Nov 20, 2006 Dawn Scire Buyout/sell-off doesn't remedy mistakes Dear Radio Babe: Subject: Maverick. I have listened to Maverick from CTQ for the past 10 years, whether it be the morning show or afternoons. I especially loved the morning show with Sammy Jo. It always made my morning and made me laugh and call in a lot. But the show was good only because of Maverick. I listened for the first week with Sammy Cruise, not knowing where Maverick was, and it was as dull as a piece of dust mite. The general manager should be canned for making such a move. I will never listen to the morning show again. A devoted Maverick fan. -- J.F. Dear J.F.: Radio Babe received numerous comments about Maverick's departure -- none as pointed as yours, mind you -- but all with similar, benevolent undertones. He will be missed. Perhaps Clear Channel's Thursday sale/privatization plan (wherein it's selling off 448 smaller-market stations and has approved an $18 billion buyout by über-conglomerators Thomas H. Lee Partners and Bain Capital Partners -- the Florida Keys is our state's only affected market) will enlighten higher-ups that poor people-management in lieu of revenue did nothing to shore up the final product. One radio industry theorist speculated that the widespread layoffs occurred to raise its presale value. Not a huge consolation for the jobless, but it reinforces the CC mantra of radio being a business; so, again, it's "nothin' personal" and business as usual. We're now witness to Clear Channel's "new, improved" incarnation as a private corporation. Oh, that it hath gleaned wisdom ... doubtful. Dear Radio Babe: Subject: "Dear SMF" (Sept. 25 column) I might be able to help "SMF" receive WYMR (1410 AM) and WCZN (1660 AM). I can receive both stations here in Sarasota. 1410 is quite clear and 1660 is listenable, but much weaker. I have two radios designed specifically for "long-distance" AM reception. The first one is the "GE Superadio III." It has a narrow bandwidth filter to help bring in weaker AM signals and is reasonably priced ... (about) $50. The second one is the "CCRadio Plus" from C. Crane. It is a top-of-the-line, long-distance radio, which also has FM, VHF TV (2-13) and seven weather-band channels from NOAA radio ... in the $150 range. Another item ... does improve AM reception dramatically. It is called the "Select-A-Tenna." You place it next to the radio and tune its dial to the frequency of the AM station you want to hear. It really does the trick with "problem" signals. I believe it's ... (about) $70 ... These items are great for AM reception and I hope this can help your reader "SMF." Sincerely -- S.K. Dear S.K.: Although it's taken me a while to get this in print, your guidance is appreciated, likely helping many reader/radio-listeners. R.B. won't recommend specific items, so your experience and recommendations are beneficial. Additional product information is available at www.select atenna.com and ccrane.com, and inquire at Radio Shack and Amazon.com, among others, for the G.E. Direct queries and comments to Radio Babe c/o the Sarasota Herald-Tribune, P.O. Drawer 1719, Sarasota, FL 34230, or e-mail dawnzig@hotmail.com. Answers will appear in this forum only. Radio station listings appear in the Herald-Tribune's Sunday Click publication. Last modified: Nov 20, 2006 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----Original Message Follows---- From: "John P." Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Cc=Evil, was WOR, was: WSM Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:59:07 -0800 (PST) ...Harold wrote: "... speaking of restaurants, is Tony Packos still in business on Front Street and Consaul?" Yes sir they are - serving-up the best Hungarian Hotdogs on the planet just like Max Klinger (Jamie Farr) indicated on M*A*S*H! Not only at their original spot, but they have another eatery next to the MudHens stadium downtown that just opened (just one block from CC HQ !!!) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $510k for $1,698/mo. Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue Nov 21 18:17:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92579 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2006 02:08:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2006 02:08:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2006 02:08:46 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.107]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 134754660 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:06:58 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <008801c70ddb$3c7ef2a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:09:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.047000 Subject has lots of exclamation marks=1.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.107 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: I have a AM STEREO idea!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=SYDtLPPaSaXlp0qclJdaTpW_KudwtUYSmIZ16zvX16wb6qbXjl8i X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I think Bill would still have CHML to contend with. Too bad the Canadians don't delete these assignments when they go dark. Seems like a waste to have to protect a station that's no longer there and LOTS of US stations could benefit. But then again, I think the US does the same on an international basis. One idea I have kicked around but would probably go nowhere- require AM stations to maintain their directionals, but allow them to operate either non-D or less directional unless the station formerly being protected returns to the air. Did CKTS have any AM stereo gear? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Welch" > Greetings Scott, > > 900 in Sherbrooke, Quebec (CKTS) has already gone silent. As of > November 14, the CRTC was notified by Corus that substantial > transmitter upgrades were needed on it's array and that when contacted > Standard Radio, CJAD 800's owner (CJAD has been relayed on 900 in > Sherbrooke for nearly a decade) was not interested in contributing to > the repairs. > > I was informed of this by reading Fybush.com this week. > > Bob @ WDEV- Waterbury, VT > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > > > 900 is already a Canadian clear... > > > > Scott Todd > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Norbert 26" > > > > Need the FCC to make 900 KHZ a clear channel and have WNMB increase > power > > to 100 KW and then this idea might work. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue Nov 21 19:07:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57100 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2006 02:53:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2006 02:53:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2006 02:53:51 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.107]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 134756164 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:15:32 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <009801c70ddc$6f6b07c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:17:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.107 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Cc=Evil, was WOR, was: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=lmcOxnFgD5U9-JYHMvdzeCPWLBruG-V0V-p8aGc85RejExH67_Zw X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Actually, going private may indeed help matters. After all, when you're a publicly traded company, folks want to see a return on their investment. One guy over on one of the broadcast lists likened it to a no interest loan. Therefore the bean-counters hold sway, whereas the mom and pop stations can and usually do care more about good broadcasting as they don't have large masses of potentially angry stockholders breathing down their necks. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" > One radio industry theorist speculated that the widespread layoffs occurred > to raise its presale value. Not a huge consolation for the jobless, but it > reinforces the CC mantra of radio being a business; so, again, it's "nothin' > personal" and business as usual. > > We're now witness to Clear Channel's "new, improved" incarnation as a > private corporation. > > Oh, that it hath gleaned wisdom ... doubtful. > From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Nov 21 19:31:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14242 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2006 03:22:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2006 03:22:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao01.cox.net) (68.230.241.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2006 03:22:58 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061122032256.SVMN9173.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:22:56 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id pfNS1V0092DrW980000000; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:22:27 -0500 In-Reply-To: <009801c70ddc$6f6b07c0$d503fea9@stodd> References: <009801c70ddc$6f6b07c0$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:22:55 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Cc=Evil, was WOR, was: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=KCYRga-txhKhx0hIkO6T7c-P_7LPJJOOsyLp_fgnxjeKOieZp0K8RfmIhRve X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Too bad it didn't happen sooner. Clear Channel stopped investing in the future long ago; now young people (and old ones like me) have no real interest in most radio stations. For music it's Sirius or iPod. I RARELY tune into music stations now. Funny thing: we told them long ago that they were causing the decline of their own industry. "They" said everything is fine. Well, cost- cutting only goes so far; without that investment in talent and programming you can't show growth once you have cut costs to the bone. Clear Channel has had "no growth" for two years. We were right. Now I am afraid it may be too late. Richard On Nov 21, 2006, at 6:17 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > Actually, going private may indeed help matters. After all, when > you're a > publicly traded company, folks want to see a return on their > investment. > One guy over on one of the broadcast lists likened it to a no > interest loan. > Therefore the bean-counters hold sway, whereas the mom and pop > stations can > and usually do care more about good broadcasting as they don't have > large > masses of potentially angry stockholders breathing down their necks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Nov 22 02:46:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 462 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2006 10:41:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2006 10:41:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.27) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2006 10:41:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 31165 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2006 10:41:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: eRBn74sVM1l.K13uZOcdaddoUTyaaMSLT6hRQgBlASNl4YOoReVGyUegczgv5wwZzB2lxM8PsBA0D9nXm69o6UBavzOdk3NA39BQAT.NKLv4S6hEaGlQ3hG0AANWOxhuioWMMlPs_0N26B_vKc2lACslMMoUrEoiFjFkh.NyuCvyMUvzz_E3SdwRBw-- Received: from [74.226.219.151] by web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:41:22 PST Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:41:22 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <754439.30873.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.27 From: Kevin Bell Subject: AM Ibiquity question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=n-DYkl2xiKbCIn5YOg4XB0F6gfYzCSvmqgam7VG3Az7JEZ1kO9DQ X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Question yall. The IBOC or Ibiguity HD AM. Is it in Stereo or mono? I have read things where it says "sounds like fm stereo" and yadda yadda. I know we don't like to talk about it but if someone could just clarify for me whether or not broadcasts on the HD AM channels is in fact in stereo or not. That's all I want to know about that format. And no I am not running out to get HD, I could care less. I just wanted to understand whether or not that was the case. Thanks guys. -Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Loan for $1399/mo. Calcuate new payment. www.LowerMyBills.com/lre From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Nov 22 05:15:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2858 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2006 12:49:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2006 12:49:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.40) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2006 12:49:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 40785 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2006 10:52:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: vJY0MygVM1kQc5_gG.ZCQVE69nW4n_BivaCoBhJB1C45W9v8MnuwxSQjWAQdMvVJYQ-- Received: from [74.226.219.151] by web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:52:05 PST Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:52:05 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <785956.39294.qm@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.40 From: Kevin Bell Subject: 1610-1710 required to be AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=K-BoQlgi-zxmwXHPWeSzU0nx54jtksHQaW9NiVdNI0i7uwKghhWa X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Hey yall found this on wikipedia. It says that stations who are between 1610-1710 (extended X band) are required to broadcast in AM Stereo. Is that a requirement for real? If so that is insteresting and I wonder why. Oh I'm all for it, just wondered why only those frequencies would be required to broadcast in stereo. Heres the link to what I was reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_AM_broadcast_band and I started from this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AM_radio Just wondered what you guys had to say about it. Have a great day! -Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Loan for $1399/mo. Calcuate new payment. www.LowerMyBills.com/lre From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Nov 22 06:43:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24206 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2006 14:38:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2006 14:38:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2006 14:38:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 49954 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2006 14:11:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: b0tHJOoVM1kBrjtgTKKFyZUx4hv3EY.nNNxHX7zpVYJ41iXTMLkck2_aaWb02Z4nLsQkiRyBxUbEqZHz92CTSBmhULnAf35V8_yw80amtGkQmeF_TAcQvuwjk0oiz83oTPUPLVHy0o4- Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 06:11:30 PST Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 06:11:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <295603.48899.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re:AM Ibiquity question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=7-ib3Y8B_IbLstOedKeOPCgUYedKXVCMHRFslTGLy8QHHGBfGbVDdyI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hi Kevin Bell, Good questions about iBiquity; naturally the AM and FM versions are totally different. Regarding stereo audio on the AM band with iBiquity: There are 3 brands of audio 'quality' you get with AM on iBiquity 1- crappy <5KHz mono analog audio 2- artifact-ridden mono digital audio 3- light artifact stereo digital audio The closer you get to the AM transmitter, the better chance you might reach level 3 and actually get stereo audio. Unlike CQuam, where you could receive stereo audio from a station 500 miles away at night, that 'ain't gonna happen' with the iBiquity system, as the digital stereo audio requires a really decent AM signal. Another interesting note while in 'level 2' is that the talk radio stations actually sound 'artifactual' broadcasting a national syndicated talk shoe than does local light music - I would have thought music would require more digital horsepower. It could be because there are too many digital conversions of the talk program by the time it goes from the blabbers mike, over the sat, down the sat, over the STL and thru audio processing twice. I still think that CQuam and Kahn service the nature of AM radio better than the iBiquity system - in my opinion. And the opinions expressed here are those of JohnnyElectron and do not reflect the opinions of my employer, or the staff and management of Clear Channel Communications and iBiquty radio corporation. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420k for $1,399/mo. Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Nov 22 06:55:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35825 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2006 14:55:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2006 14:55:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.28) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2006 14:55:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 26213 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2006 14:54:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: oRKvK3IVM1lKhLGi.QrP61Z5jinrpLAe9YQQF4HS9Lz34GpQXARhH2H7j0q5UkTl5RRhGU1hHcu8ZTPhhGqNIRD3F_q8d31SgWVGm3I_IsPWW0ZN1xAvkCM.g36jIqVKIfAkQhWqaxXx3Gc4iW1LUrdBxpgOX11DkTwTxvE0HU34pzGSefZA19cfwQ-- Received: from [74.226.219.151] by web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 06:54:25 PST Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 06:54:25 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <295603.48899.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <174487.25477.qm@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:AM Ibiquity question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=H8mAtRMEkUc7i4aTISkK7R48MahqKBWEYAYr8J8GFTmng8EakAoP X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke John, I appreciate your comments. I don't understand why they push it so much. I honestly do not think HD radio will catch on, at least not in its current lineup. I think analog radio will be around for quite some time. We need to stick with CQUAM. I cant believe anyone would use anything else because of the stereo AM radios out there they are all CQUAM or most are. I don't think anyone is making anything else. I know the Sonys that are made they are CQUAM. I don't think they can quite get IBOC to work right, good for us! Anyway that answers my question and I had been thinking along those lines anyway. -Kevin --- "John P." wrote: > Hi Kevin Bell, > Good questions about iBiquity; naturally the AM and > FM versions are > totally different. > Regarding stereo audio on the AM band with iBiquity: > There are 3 brands of audio 'quality' you get with > AM on iBiquity > 1- crappy <5KHz mono analog audio > 2- artifact-ridden mono digital audio > 3- light artifact stereo digital audio > > The closer you get to the AM transmitter, the better > chance you might > reach level 3 and actually get stereo audio. Unlike > CQuam, where you > could receive stereo audio from a station 500 miles > away at night, that > 'ain't gonna happen' with the iBiquity system, as > the digital stereo > audio requires a really decent AM signal. Another > interesting note > while in 'level 2' is that the talk radio stations > actually sound > 'artifactual' broadcasting a national syndicated > talk shoe than does > local light music - I would have thought music would > require more > digital horsepower. It could be because there are > too many digital > conversions of the talk program by the time it goes > from the blabbers > mike, over the sat, down the sat, over the STL and > thru audio > processing twice. > > I still think that CQuam and Kahn service the nature > of AM radio better > than the iBiquity system - in my opinion. > > And the opinions expressed here are those of > JohnnyElectron and do not > reflect the opinions of my employer, or the staff > and management of > Clear Channel Communications and iBiquty radio > corporation. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Sponsored Link > > Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420k for $1,399/mo. > Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $510k for $1,698/mo. Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Nov 22 07:14:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79535 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2006 15:03:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2006 15:03:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52213.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.136) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2006 15:03:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 20423 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2006 14:49:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: A1OHg50VM1m32snpTzEQl0JC2GkyBcIglBye4ml6sMk6PqxOm0Ew3inS5zIC6ZmQCkUN75XRaybDAY0Sffnf0u.uCBFiohclbibcjHpK39fPAdgYtfZPX1pmyuOd0lGYv8ktZZB0fTLQxg-- Received: from [12.76.217.178] by web52213.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 06:49:26 PST Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 06:49:26 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <785956.39294.qm@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <897360.19375.qm@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1610-1710 required to be AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=mLKJCj0P8kYHkpKdmGwrB17fxPOIdmrjSxFWnswusWI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > Hey yall found this on wikipedia. It says that > stations who are between 1610-1710 (extended X band) > are required to broadcast in AM Stereo. Is that a > requirement for real? IT WAS, when the band was proposed and first opened, but I think was later a plus to get your assignment, but not required anymore. Powell NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Nov 22 08:39:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29300 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2006 16:34:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2006 16:34:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52210.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.133) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2006 16:34:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 68043 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2006 14:47:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3_L86MUVM1m5mu9jPqf1m_mLLzwmddBlAbA2w8_5H9pDXPpvdi0s_z_VF3KBRY9T604xKzjfSmzyROZ900GfTanCJRlOHjTXANJXgqOWKLXyR1nbk4nMZ.5HXT.5Ii__14W9x_0J5p.y.5A- Received: from [12.76.217.178] by web52210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 06:47:17 PST Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 06:47:17 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <754439.30873.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <838713.64441.qm@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.133 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Ibiquity question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=aQJgdahhUghbM_FYy_ziRDI5ypulUytP-cjlrrkJMGI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > Question yall. The IBOC or Ibiguity HD AM. Is it > in > Stereo or mono? I have read things where it says > "sounds like fm stereo" and yadda yadda. I know we > don't like to talk about it but if someone could > just > clarify for me whether or not broadcasts on the HD > AM > channels is in fact in stereo or not. That's all I > want to know about that format. And no I am not > running out to get HD, I could care less. I just > wanted to understand whether or not that was the > case. > Thanks guys. > -Kevin Yes. You can have stereo if you want to. Powell NNNN! From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Nov 22 09:09:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73590 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2006 17:02:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2006 17:02:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.205) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2006 17:02:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2006 16:58:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2006 16:58:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 16:58:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <897360.19375.qm@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.205 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.83 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1610-1710 required to be AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=wxeDMPfONV4jBtTmRnP62sdnJkJ45bSZKRNOYb_dIbvmGQ4Lsw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > --- Kevin Bell wrote: >=20 > > Hey yall found this on wikipedia. It says that > > stations who are between 1610-1710 (extended X band) > > are required to broadcast in AM Stereo. Is that a > > requirement for real?=20=20 >=20 > IT WAS, when the band was proposed and first opened, > but I think was later a plus to get your assignment, > but not required anymore.=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN! > I didn't read about it from FCC or other "official" statement in=20 LatinAmerica. As a curious comment, here in my beautiful country (Chile) we had=20 a "little" problem from 1955 to 1975 because the law let us to=20 transmit from 510 to 1710 kHz BUT... there wasn't receivers=20 to "listen" below 540 and above 1600!!! hahaha!!! I had a friend with=20 a little local station (500 wts) and his carrier at 1700, nobody=20 could tune his station!!! I think the law wasn't revised before the=20 final edition and the numbers were wrong but... it was the law!!!=20 hahahaha!!! Fortunately, from 1975 there are a lot AM tuners with=20 the "extra" band. The curious thing is I had a very old (vacuum tube)=20 but very good german AM tuner (GRUNDIG), maybe from the 50's, and it=20 was capable to tune all the today band!!! Maybe the old europe was=20 more advanced than today America? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Nov 22 09:20:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21642 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2006 17:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2006 17:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2006 17:13:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2006 17:13:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2006 17:13:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:13:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <838713.64441.qm@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.13 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Ibiquity question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=9sF2_PLokQcmmmpsI6-eAyRKZ9vLxcxVjIclENRvifQhGtO_mA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > --- Kevin Bell wrote: >=20 > > Question yall. The IBOC or Ibiguity HD AM. Is it > > in > > Stereo or mono? I have read things where it says > > "sounds like fm stereo" and yadda yadda. I know we > > don't like to talk about it but if someone could > > just > > clarify for me whether or not broadcasts on the HD > > AM > > channels is in fact in stereo or not. That's all I > > want to know about that format. And no I am not > > running out to get HD, I could care less. I just > > wanted to understand whether or not that was the > > case. > > Thanks guys. >=20 > > -Kevin >=20 >=20 > Yes. You can have stereo if you want to.=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 >=20 > NNNN! > But, please gang, even if we try to think "in positive", What if we=20 can transmit HD in Stereo? Will it be a "certified sign" to assure us=20 the people would be back to the AM band? I don't think so, sorry! AM band must to "fix" the format first, then the technical (if we=20 must to fix the technical). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Nov 22 09:21:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85517 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2006 17:15:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2006 17:15:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.132) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2006 17:15:07 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2006 17:13:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2006 17:13:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2006 17:13:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:13:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <838713.64441.qm@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.132 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.13 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Ibiquity question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=jSkIC350cv2agi7x0eiXzHoLVIlQpU0auVBDB75ggMZVV6hT9g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > --- Kevin Bell wrote: >=20 > > Question yall. The IBOC or Ibiguity HD AM. Is it > > in > > Stereo or mono? I have read things where it says > > "sounds like fm stereo" and yadda yadda. I know we > > don't like to talk about it but if someone could > > just > > clarify for me whether or not broadcasts on the HD > > AM > > channels is in fact in stereo or not. That's all I > > want to know about that format. And no I am not > > running out to get HD, I could care less. I just > > wanted to understand whether or not that was the > > case. > > Thanks guys. >=20 > > -Kevin >=20 >=20 > Yes. You can have stereo if you want to.=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 >=20 > NNNN! > But, please gang, even if we try to think "in positive", What if we=20 can transmit HD in Stereo? Will it be a "certified sign" to assure us=20 the people would be back to the AM band? I don't think so, sorry! AM band must to "fix" the format first, then the technical (if we=20 must to fix the technical). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From tomray@wor710.com Wed Nov 22 10:18:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36923 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2006 18:12:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2006 18:12:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.128) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2006 18:12:23 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2006 18:11:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2006 18:11:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2006 18:11:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:11:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <754439.30873.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: AM Ibiquity question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=STbqVvZzAV6RB_N_C_LVT48vqlLYzAMOV6vY_qaYPJHe9qPW X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 wrote: > > Question yall. The IBOC or Ibiguity HD AM. Is it in > Stereo or mono? I have read things where it says > "sounds like fm stereo" and yadda yadda. I know we > don't like to talk about it but if someone could just > clarify for me whether or not broadcasts on the HD AM > channels is in fact in stereo or not. That's all I > want to know about that format. And no I am not > running out to get HD, I could care less. I just > wanted to understand whether or not that was the case. > Thanks guys. >=20 > -Kevin Hi Kevin: Without all the hyperbole, the iBiquity system is stereo. We've=20 been running it for 4 years on WOR. Some facts (and yes, I am a proponent - but I speak with facts and=20 from my experiences over a 4 year period where many others simply=20 offer commentary based on only their opinions. I have been involved=20 with much testing over the past 4 years and can offer insight gained=20 first hand....and you'll find that if I have a problem with=20 something, I state it, regardless of the fact that I support it.): - The analog signal transmit with an HD signal can be either=20 frequency limited to 5kHz or 8kHz. The difference is in how an HD=20 receiver handles the HD decoding. The HD signal is much less robust=20 in 8K mode than 5K mode, as the radio must decode both sidebands=20 continuously in 8K mode to produce HD audio. In 5K mode, the radio=20 selects whichever sideband is better, and changes sidebands as=20 necessary. In many instances with most AM stations, the sidebands=20 as received at any given location are not identical in power for a=20 number of reasons.=20=20 - I would dare say that the majority of AM radios produced and in=20 the hands of Joe Public (not necessarily the persons who frequent=20 this board - most members here have much better radios and make=20 their judgements based on wideband, which is not necessarily the=20 norm)cannot reproduce much more than 3-4kHz of audio bandwidth, so=20 limiting the trasmitted audio bandwidth to 5K is not necessarily=20 detrimental. If the processing is set up correctly, 5K can sound=20 quite good. Incidentally, under the older FCC regulations, AM=20 stations were required to prove only that they could pass up to=20 5kHz. Anything above that was gravy. I know of many stations who=20 fed the transmitter with a 5K audio loop from Ma Bell - and no one=20 was complaining of 5K audio at that time. - Yes, there are artifacts in the HD audio. It is a severely data=20 reduced medium (as are all Internet streams). That being said, they=20 are not the horror story most would have you believe. If the audio=20 and audio path at a given station are clean, the artifacts are=20 minimal and the HD audio sounds quite good. We constantly do=20 demonstrations of our HD audio - both on studio monitor speakers and=20 using headphones. I have yet to have anyone, whether from our=20 station or another station, or from the general public, say "yuck -=20 I won't listen to it". The AM HD can be quite impressive,=20 particularly with music. If the audio is handled correctly, the HD=20 will sound good. If it's not, it will sound pretty bad. If it is=20 overly processed, it will sound pretty bad. You can't get away with=20 some of the processing "techniques" that are used on analog on=20 HD...it will quickly become unlistenable. It's the garbage=20 in/garbage out theory, except in this case, the garbage can get=20 multiplied quickly due to the data reduction.=20=20 And I can tell if we air something that wasn't saved as a linear=20 file or are airing a spot that arrived as a low data rate MP3 - I=20 can hear the artifacts and that will generate a call from me to=20 Master Control about correcting the problem. Same if we are airing=20 a remote using MP3 rather than AAC coding...the MP3 ISDN link=20 produces a "halo" around the audio on the HD side, which is most=20 likely being enhanced by processing. - HD coverage depends a lot on the radio. I have a Boston Acoustics=20 in my office. It works OK. I know of many that are deaf. I have=20 had three different car radios. One was decent for AM reception,=20 but the FM section was somewhat deaf. The one in my wife's car has=20 decent reception on both AM and FM, but the AM analog sounds like=20 doggy poo....it sounds like it's limited to 2K at the most and=20 distorts on high positive peaks. The Kenwood I'm presently using is=20 a very good radio. The analog AM sounds good. The sensitivity on=20 both AM and FM is very good. That being said, I live 50 miles from=20 the transmitter in the null. Once I get off the Thruway, I'm smack=20 dab in the middle of suburbia, in the null (maybe 4KW in that=20 direction), and it's noise central. Most times, I am lucky to hear=20 the analog decently. It is about 35-38 miles from the transmitter=20 to this point. I have an HD signal up to this point (hey...if=20 there's no RF, and you can't demod the analog, how are you going to=20 get the HD?). Up to about the 30 mile point, it is in stereo.=20=20 Going in the opposite direction, towards Philadelphia (that lobe is=20 85KW), I can hold the HD to beyond the southern side of Philly, a=20 good 90 miles from the site. It holds in stereo to about 80-85=20 miles.=20=20 - I received an email from someone in Indiana the other day. The=20 FCC allows us to run the HD from 6A to 6P during the winter months.=20=20 He sent me a picture of his Boston Acoustics radio, locked on WOR- HD, displaying our data, showing HD lock. It was 5:50PM Eastern=20 time. I thought that was really cool. If the conditions are right,=20 the HD will survive a long trek. - You may ask "why bother with stereo for talk radio?". The same=20 argument can be made for C-Quam. Talk, in and of itself, is mono.=20=20 However, all of our effects, music bumpers and a good 85% of our=20 spots are in stereo. All of our in house promos are produced in=20 stereo. It adds a whole different dimension for the listener. If you would care for additional information or would like to have a=20 discussion off line, please feel free to email me.=20=20 Tom Ray VP/Corporate Director of Engineering Buckley Broadcasting/WOR Radio NYC From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Nov 22 11:52:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24010 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2006 19:38:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2006 19:38:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.159) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2006 19:38:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 13959 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2006 19:38:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5r8.lCoVM1kYed18JLwLlQbniEC8DFJy0lKJuwUVq3VEVr8ub7ujGjCn7GLuwgQpSHofVhwAyHog5ht0JRn81ItFweCVNUCwEEsYPfW3QAw8zhqe0Cid_00dCYdCy66ysC_ReZBHjp8- Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:37:59 PST Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:37:59 -0800 (PST) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <958921.13939.qm@web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.159 From: "John P." Subject: IBOC - the good, the bad and the ugly X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=I2GRcBjU0ctbC6ySTpe8ONWMP3c9mzMURSb__Va5lz-0b3oqS1CEg7E X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio The good: The Christmas station in Chicago ran an HD spot everytime they ran their 8 commercials in a row. The bad and the ugly: just look at this chart provided by NPR - AM reception is only "acceptable" in the Recepter? That's one step above 'total crap' and one below good and three below excellent: Model FM Perf AM Perf User Interface Boston Acoustics Recepter HD excellent acceptable excellent Radio Shack Accurian very good good good Kenwood KTC-HR100TR excellent good varies w/H-U JVC KD-HDR1 very good good good ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $510k for $1,698/mo. Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Nov 22 12:57:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60126 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2006 20:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2006 20:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52215.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.138) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2006 20:48:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 3999 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2006 17:59:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: k7MJowQVM1nSdWsrozI7FlXb3yz6tyUODm6uibMi5RWedDm81fLQQuJ_woCn.OrIUA-- Received: from [12.76.217.136] by web52215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:59:47 PST Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:59:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <607013.3924.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.138 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Ibiquity question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=AN9p_axWwfFHFsGkjSxKtiW8hc39_OQDlrct6lX7ED8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jotape1960 wrote: > But, please gang, even if we try to think "in > positive", What if we > can transmit HD in Stereo? Will it be a "certified > sign" to assure us > the people would be back to the AM band? I don't > think so, sorry! Not if the content isn't there. > AM band must to "fix" the format first, then the > technical (if we must to fix the technical). > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love And then learn how to make a decent receiver. That's almost a lost art. With all the DSP and stuff we could come up with stupendously good receiver sections. What we have at best is ALMOST fair, and not middling... Powell NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Nov 22 15:36:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59308 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2006 23:31:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2006 23:31:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52206.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.129) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2006 23:31:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 30216 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2006 21:44:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 39faQ48VM1nMjm.pSTH_E2sWm9H8_PtuCXjsWNpSDDZBjFgVKYCOm1yQq0sdmXE9Cwd6KFIm1pfDB5y_Foz2Bi.FjgSrxMJ7fbj6i_3Ny_uI1cH83cAO4b1vb_aAawB5dAIgwOjelDA1QAw- Received: from [12.76.217.122] by web52206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 13:44:15 PST Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 13:44:15 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <454633.28877.qm@web52206.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Ibiquity question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=QDvx9e9EYaID7_Rpz6IuscHUF4hltLx7GKto8kyaK-U X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > - The analog signal transmit with an HD signal can > be either > frequency limited to 5kHz or 8kHz. I thought you could do 6 kilohertz. > - I would dare say that the majority of AM radios > produced and in > the hands of Joe Public (not necessarily the persons > who frequent > this board - most members here have much better > radios and make > their judgements based on wideband, which is not > necessarily the > norm)cannot reproduce much more than 3-4kHz of audio > bandwidth, so > limiting the trasmitted audio bandwidth to 5K is not > necessarily > detrimental. The new cheapos, using the Toshiba TA2003 chip, and others with the single chip option are reaaaaallllly wide. The new 2006 Ford F150 I have as a rental (got rear ended ) gets the IBOC hiss in on the AM 1400. I thought that radio wouldn't do that, but I was wrong. > If the processing is set up correctly, > 5K can sound quite good. I have yet to hear any. Incidentally, under the older FCC > regulations, AM > stations were required to prove only that they could > pass up to > 5kHz. Anything above that was gravy. I know of > many stations who > fed the transmitter with a 5K audio loop from Ma > Bell - and no one > was complaining of 5K audio at that time. I can't remember that far back. Friday I'm ordering the Radio Shack HD radio. $99. Reports to follow. Powell NNNN! From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Nov 22 18:38:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3450 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2006 02:32:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2006 02:32:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2006 02:32:38 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.42]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 134403661 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:30:47 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <006c01c70ea7$bc3ba020$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <897360.19375.qm@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:33:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.220.42 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1610-1710 required to be AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=p9SVxMC6ZM4ppPCWOHbb7kk8XQ-sjG-ndyLOEdvtz_5G-qHWPFEH X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I don't know that it was ever required; maybe a proposed requirement, but AFAIK it only got as far as putting extra points towards your app with the FCC if you said you'd use it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > --- Kevin Bell wrote: > > > Hey yall found this on wikipedia. It says that > > stations who are between 1610-1710 (extended X band) > > are required to broadcast in AM Stereo. Is that a > > requirement for real? > > IT WAS, when the band was proposed and first opened, > but I think was later a plus to get your assignment, > but not required anymore. From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Nov 23 01:49:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28902 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2006 09:43:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2006 09:43:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.37) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2006 09:43:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 90474 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2006 09:41:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20061123094153.90472.qmail@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: kcvI82sVM1mtzbUN88cjqWA7vT5_Ys0c.9GnF_q6TxfoRat9Xunr_hmoonaS9eyYN7v9_v6wb.PJ4g6EFC4qziA6TW9OVEwKF9d22ahgVeK0olZNrg.RtsuFvHqaB9ftTvFOWrzULN7EwKJCK_N_CfScd3qYCQ7butjOvNbHatC_c7TQMXEMCQDLLw-- Received: from [74.226.219.151] by web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 01:41:50 PST Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 01:41:50 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Ibiquity question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=UQkn6EW9fUb1_VhvuQB3_aM6m0nG7xZAv0IkBCndNFQAghPx7_k- X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Tom, I appreciate your treatment on the subject. I myself am a music and hi-fi enthusiast, i'm not a broadcaster. I may be in the future though. I am considering studying radio broadcasting at a local college. I already have a bachelors degree (Clemson Univ. Graduate) but it isn't related. I feel that everything should be in stereo, at least when it comes to music. I just don't understand that even with the complexities of regulation on AM Stereo that it still did not catch on. I know this is an AM stereo forum and I hope that I didn't anger anyone bringing the IBOC up, it was simply another chapter in radio that I wanted to learn about if I am to be a future broadcaster. I do not currently own any AM stereo receivers but from what I understand of it and the files i've heard, it is a decent format. At least much better than standard mono AM. I would like to see more broadcasters push the FCC to allow AM to at least be on par and broadcast out to 15khz the way FM is. I have no doubt that we have the technology and many years of research and development to make both AM and FM able to reproduce 20hz-20khz. I think that it is possible without all those regulations. I simply enjoy good stereo reproduction. I am somewhat old school eventhough i'm only 32. I do not care for MP3's or any compression technologies. I prefer the real full quality product. I still buy CD's, LP's, etc. MP3 players do fit a niche, mainly I can see them being very good for say running or exercising. As a serious medium of stereo reproduction I don't place much merit in those technologies. I do know that most stations are now computerized, that is their music is on hard drive and that does help the DJ and make his job easier. As far as at home though give me my CD's and LP's anyday! I'd also like to see more emphasis placed on home stereo receivers versus so much emphasis in the AM Stereo community being placed on automobiles. I like good sound in a vehicle but it always un-nerves me a bit when people have these expensive car stereos but have crap for a system in a home. I noticed about two years ago there were more HD choices in home stereo receivers than now. It seems as though manufactures of home stereo equipment have pulled back somewhat. The Boston radios are ok im sure but for me I'd rather it be through a full home stereo system. I don't think a table radio would quite do it for me. I very much support the AM stereo community and i'd like to see more stations in stereo. The main problem I see in this area though is the lack of newly manufactured AM stereo receivers. I know they are available but until they are available in local stores in plentiful supply i'm not sure it will have much resurgance except in niche groups like ourselves. I just wrote this station that is using the Kahn system. I asked what was the use? I mean most of the radios that are around that have AM stereo are Motorola CQUAM. I mean I know that you can take two radios with the Kahn thing and tune one slightly left and the other one slightly right of the frequency and get a somewhat stereo sound but I mean who wants to do that? I'm a subscriber to XM and I am not completely satisfied with them. Their content yes, their sound quality not so much. The high end on XM isn't as great as a modern FM station. At least on some stations. It's hit and miss. The 60s and 90s stations sound pretty good as does channel 76 which is one of the surround channels. I talked with Phlash Phelps of 60s on 6 on XM and he said they used MP2 compression. At any rate I know my conversation is all over the map. I just was curious about the IBOC thing because I admit I don't know so much about it. I just don't see it catching on here in South Carolina very much. I know of one station in the upstate that broadcasts in it, thats it. I'd be glad to talk off forum about radio in general. You may email me if you wish. I'd be open to any suggestions, advice, etc to someone starting out. -Kevin --- Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell > > wrote: > > > > Question yall. The IBOC or Ibiguity HD AM. Is it > in > > Stereo or mono? I have read things where it says > > "sounds like fm stereo" and yadda yadda. I know > we > > don't like to talk about it but if someone could > just > > clarify for me whether or not broadcasts on the HD > AM > > channels is in fact in stereo or not. That's all > I > > want to know about that format. And no I am not > > running out to get HD, I could care less. I just > > wanted to understand whether or not that was the > case. > > Thanks guys. > > > > -Kevin > > Hi Kevin: > > Without all the hyperbole, the iBiquity system is > stereo. We've > been running it for 4 years on WOR. > > Some facts (and yes, I am a proponent - but I speak > with facts and > from my experiences over a 4 year period where many > others simply > offer commentary based on only their opinions. I > have been involved > with much testing over the past 4 years and can > offer insight gained > first hand....and you'll find that if I have a > problem with > something, I state it, regardless of the fact that I > support it.): > > - The analog signal transmit with an HD signal can > be either > frequency limited to 5kHz or 8kHz. The difference > is in how an HD > receiver handles the HD decoding. The HD signal is > much less robust > in 8K mode than 5K mode, as the radio must decode > both sidebands > continuously in 8K mode to produce HD audio. In 5K > mode, the radio > selects whichever sideband is better, and changes > sidebands as > necessary. In many instances with most AM stations, > the sidebands > as received at any given location are not identical > in power for a > number of reasons. > > - I would dare say that the majority of AM radios > produced and in > the hands of Joe Public (not necessarily the persons > who frequent > this board - most members here have much better > radios and make > their judgements based on wideband, which is not > necessarily the > norm)cannot reproduce much more than 3-4kHz of audio > bandwidth, so > limiting the trasmitted audio bandwidth to 5K is not > necessarily > detrimental. If the processing is set up correctly, > 5K can sound > quite good. Incidentally, under the older FCC > regulations, AM > stations were required to prove only that they could > pass up to > 5kHz. Anything above that was gravy. I know of > many stations who > fed the transmitter with a 5K audio loop from Ma > Bell - and no one > was complaining of 5K audio at that time. > > - Yes, there are artifacts in the HD audio. It is a > severely data > reduced medium (as are all Internet streams). That > being said, they > are not the horror story most would have you > believe. If the audio > and audio path at a given station are clean, the > artifacts are > minimal and the HD audio sounds quite good. We > constantly do > demonstrations of our HD audio - both on studio > monitor speakers and > using headphones. I have yet to have anyone, > whether from our > station or another station, or from the general > public, say "yuck - > I won't listen to it". The AM HD can be quite > impressive, > particularly with music. If the audio is handled > correctly, the HD > will sound good. If it's not, it will sound pretty > bad. If it is > overly processed, it will sound pretty bad. You > can't get away with > some of the processing "techniques" that are used on > analog on > HD...it will quickly become unlistenable. It's the > garbage > in/garbage out theory, except in this case, the > garbage can get > multiplied quickly due to the data reduction. > And I can tell if we air something that wasn't saved > as a linear > file or are airing a spot that arrived as a low data > rate MP3 - I > can hear the artifacts and that will generate a call > from me to > Master Control about correcting the problem. Same > if we are airing > a remote using MP3 rather than AAC coding...the MP3 > ISDN link > produces a "halo" around the audio on the HD side, > which is most > likely being enhanced by processing. > > - HD coverage depends a lot on the radio. I have a > Boston Acoustics > in my office. It works OK. I know of many that are > deaf. I have > had three different car radios. One was decent for > AM reception, > but the FM section was somewhat deaf. The one in my > wife's car has > decent reception on both AM and FM, but the AM > analog sounds like > doggy poo....it sounds like it's limited to 2K at > the most and > distorts on high positive peaks. The Kenwood I'm > presently using is > a very good radio. The analog AM sounds good. The > sensitivity on > both AM and FM is very good. That being said, I > live 50 miles from > the transmitter in the null. Once I get off the > Thruway, I'm smack > dab in the middle of suburbia, in the null (maybe > 4KW in that > direction), and it's noise central. Most times, I > am lucky to hear > the analog decently. It is about 35-38 miles from > the transmitter > to this point. I have an HD signal up to this point > (hey...if > there's no RF, and you can't demod the analog, how > are you going to > get the HD?). Up to about the 30 mile point, it is > in stereo. > Going in the opposite direction, towards > Philadelphia (that lobe is > 85KW), I can hold the HD to beyond the southern side > of Philly, a > good 90 miles from the site. It holds in stereo to > about 80-85 > miles. > > - I received an email from someone in Indiana the > other day. The > FCC allows us to run the HD from 6A to 6P during the > winter months. > He sent me a picture of his Boston Acoustics radio, > locked on WOR- > HD, displaying our data, showing HD lock. It was > 5:50PM Eastern > time. I thought that was really cool. If the > conditions are right, > the HD will survive a long trek. > > - You may ask "why bother with stereo for talk > radio?". The same > argument can be made for C-Quam. Talk, in and of > itself, is mono. > However, all of our effects, music bumpers and a > good 85% of our > spots are in stereo. All of our in house promos are > produced in > stereo. It adds a whole different dimension for the > listener. > > If you would care for additional information or > would like to have a > discussion off line, please feel free to email me. > > Tom Ray > VP/Corporate Director of Engineering > Buckley Broadcasting/WOR Radio > NYC > > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index From amfmtech@yahoo.com Thu Nov 23 07:54:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41421 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2006 15:48:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2006 15:48:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56804.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.78) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2006 15:48:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 5644 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2006 15:48:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LH9e5S0VM1lsqWEtqhGNmP59q1IXllip4fzuopxfdZHDfQs4nWxiBNU60p09GsAB9DnjouZi4QoWAaewINhwi03B22BpqEOIce2AbiKfyoitbXy22khQRAlaOWanJltsLY.DtqvvkMlq._I- Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56804.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 07:48:46 PST Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 07:48:46 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20061121205907.24949.qmail@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <693658.5203.qm@web56804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.78 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Cc=Evil, was WOR, was: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=OaSD_khAI2uqRgH8sbFyMhvsPGE_qKN01K7HGqpVXS_K_14 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I didn't know there was a second location. I hope it is as good as the first! A couple years back several DXers met at the Tony Packos restaurant on Front Street. There were five of us including Ed Smithe from CBS Radio and Fred Vobbe of the DX Audio Service. It was one of those "we're all close, so let's meet in Toledo for lunch" deals. We had a good time just telling tall tales and comparing what was going on in radio. I have to take my wife there sometime just to see the autographed hot dog buns. ...Harold "John P." wrote: ...Harold wrote: "... speaking of restaurants, is Tony Packos still in business on Front Street and Consaul?" Yes sir they are - serving-up the best Hungarian Hotdogs on the planet just like Max Klinger (Jamie Farr) indicated on M*A*S*H! Not only at their original spot, but they have another eatery next to the MudHens stadium downtown that just opened (just one block from CC HQ !!!) --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmtech@yahoo.com Thu Nov 23 08:14:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21275 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2006 16:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2006 16:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56814.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2006 16:08:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 55177 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2006 16:05:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20061123160546.55175.qmail@web56814.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: lMPi4bYVM1lXMpjGmMaWYOLHBQjIpVCnYwyWqR6dP.v7VUEM9Ylg6ucnPuMg5XRVhBlCC3gKBMPtAus4z25kypZBPl90DIQkg.wQMDiHOCmB0LLPzNls78wNPz2dZu7uADZywpscZF_zXss- Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56814.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 08:05:46 PST Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 08:05:46 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Cc=Evil, was WOR, was: WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=KcP79NLMMt29Pc7B8eI9T2OPmrZIPC69trVT_nrEdZlaJBc X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The thing that I hate most about commercial radio is the 'what's good in Los Angeles, is good for Detroit' mentality. I remember back in my early years in radio when each town had local groups that charted and were popular. Some made national fame, some were just regional. The problem is that everything is national, national, national. There is no local. No local talent, which is a damn shame. There are many talented people, and groups out there. I think the performers loose, and the public looses in this matter. ...Harold Richard Wagoner wrote: Too bad it didn't happen sooner. Clear Channel stopped investing in the future long ago; now young people (and old ones like me) have no real interest in most radio stations. For music it's Sirius or iPod. I RARELY tune into music stations now. --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Nov 23 09:19:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95074 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2006 17:04:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2006 17:04:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.102) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2006 17:04:18 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n9.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2006 17:04:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2006 17:04:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2006 17:04:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 17:04:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.68 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: AM Ibiquity question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=lKdhu5aYM1SzaGvm349G-atpXOa-meYkRqvooQRkKuXnz4ic3A X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 > wrote: > > > > Question yall. The IBOC or Ibiguity HD AM. Is it in > > Stereo or mono? I have read things where it says > > "sounds like fm stereo" and yadda yadda. I know we > > don't like to talk about it but if someone could just > > clarify for me whether or not broadcasts on the HD AM > > channels is in fact in stereo or not. That's all I > > want to know about that format. And no I am not > > running out to get HD, I could care less. I just > > wanted to understand whether or not that was the case. > > Thanks guys. > >=20 > > -Kevin >=20 > Hi Kevin: >=20 > Without all the hyperbole, the iBiquity system is stereo. We've=20 > been running it for 4 years on WOR. > ... > Tom Ray > VP/Corporate Director of Engineering > Buckley Broadcasting/WOR Radio > NYC > Tom, I don't want to be your enemy and I don't want to be negative. It's true I don't have an HD AM transmitter and/or receiver, and=20 it's true I don't have any experience with it, but I have more than=20 4 decades living ON and BY the radio and I've seen what is the most=20 important part of the equation: the audience. If you have a great=20 (in number, amount) audience, you will have a good advertising=20 universe. If you don't have a great audience, forget the business!!! So the problem here is very "simple": IS THE HD TECHNOLOGY A REAL=20 GUARANTEE TO HAVE A GOOD AUDIENCE? ??? I don't have any reason to think so if I think in the past=20 experiences: WAS THE AM STEREO TECHNOLOGY A GUARANTEE TO THAT? No!=20 WAS THE SOLID STATE TECHNOLOGY A GUARANTEE TO THAT? No! WAS THE HI- FI TECHNOLOGY A GUARANTEE TO THAT? No! Here, in Chile, when the AM band started to be alone (without=20 audience) it was due because the FM band offered a very good music=20 format (in that time the AM was only conversation and sports). Today=20 FM band is starting to be alone, too, due to the same reason: too=20 much conversation and sports!!! So the facts I know tell me: THE PROBLEM IS THE FORMAT, NOT THE=20 TECHNOLOGY. Our little AM station (here, in Curic=F3) has a popular music=20 basically format and we have a "reasonable" audience in the country=20 (rural, not urban) zone where the FMs don't reach with a decent=20 signal. I can assure you our audience don't look for an oustanding=20 technology quality, they only want a nice music to their ears,=20 that's all!!! (But, I think the owners play a bad game because they transmit=20 exactly the same in the FM channel. Of course, it's only my opinion). I love any new technology to improve the music sound quality,=20 specially the digital system, BUT I DON'T HAVE RECEIVED ANY EXTRA=20 COIN BECAUSE WE ARE USING IT TODAY!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From tomray@wor710.com Thu Nov 23 14:22:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41845 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2006 22:16:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2006 22:16:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.22) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2006 22:16:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2006 22:13:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2006 22:13:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 22:13:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <454633.28877.qm@web52206.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.22 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: AM Ibiquity question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=FZVN7HG3iMCQUc_oo8UT8W-c9OCpZA3HMvGEMEYI-K3vXcqk X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > >=20 >=20 > I thought you could do 6 kilohertz. [TR] You can, but the splash up to 6K creates issues for the HD, ie, data errors, that reduce HD coverage. >=20 >=20 > The new cheapos, using the Toshiba TA2003 chip, and > others with the single chip option are reaaaaallllly > wide. The new 2006 Ford F150 I have as a rental (got > rear ended ) gets the IBOC hiss in on the AM 1400. I > thought that radio wouldn't do that, but I was wrong.=20 [TR] I wonder if that radio has broader bandwidth, or if there is a setup issue with the HD on that station. If the HD carrier is not set up correctly, it is possible for you to hear the phase modulated HD components (which are the components closest to the carrier). >=20 > Incidentally, under the older FCC > > regulations, AM=20 > > stations were required to prove only that they could > > pass up to=20 > > 5kHz. Anything above that was gravy. I know of > > many stations who=20 > > fed the transmitter with a 5K audio loop from Ma > > Bell - and no one=20 > > was complaining of 5K audio at that time. >=20 >=20 > I can't remember that far back. [TR] Gee...call me an old fart, why don't cha??? :-)=20 >=20 >=20 Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Thu Nov 23 14:31:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48225 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2006 22:25:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2006 22:25:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.206) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2006 22:24:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2006 22:24:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2006 22:24:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 22:24:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20061123094153.90472.qmail@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Ibiquity question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=cddu9BvjlZE0Izmn8T8iouFHf2u38EeJw-Fcv7MGF7i9uZIR X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Kevin: You've brought up many points that most in the forum are familiar with. = =20 In a nutshell (ie, the Reader's Digest version) - AM stereo went by the wayside because a lawsuit caused the FCC to adopt the infamous "market place" decision. Joe consumer doesn't know much about the tech he's using....and even if he bought a multimode AM Stereo radio at the time, the technology didn't exist to enable the radio to auto switch....there was one oddball system that required you to hit a switch on the radio. Joe Public just won't do that...and then stations stopped installing the gear because of confusion (in addition to delays caused by the lawsuit). The FCC also allowed AM stations to transmit to 20kHz at one point, but in the 60's and 70's, the FCC allowed overpopulation of the AM band, and this bandwidth caused splashing to adjacent channels. So in the 80's the FCC tried to fix this by narrowing AM bandwidth to 10kHz. Radio manufacturers narrow the audio bandwidth of the radio to get rid of noise. Unfortunately, if you have a radio that won't pass anything above 3K on the AM side, you can transmit from DC to light and that radio will only pass 3K. Right now, any real home HD tuners are rather expensive...wait for a while and they'll come down in price.=20=20 Incidentally, XM actually transmits in a modified AAC, with a codec extremely close to what is used in HD Radio. I tend to find that XM likes to monkey with things quite a bit, and they've been narrowing the bandwidth of the music channels over the past two years.=20 Hopefully, they won't get them to the point of sounding like their comedy channels, which are horrendous. I'll email you off line. We can always use new people in the industry. Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell wrote: > > Tom, >=20 > I appreciate your treatment on the subject. I > myself am a music and hi-fi enthusiast, i'm not a > broadcaster. I may be in the future though. I am > considering studying radio broadcasting at a local > college. I already have a bachelors degree (Clemson > Univ. Graduate) but it isn't related. I feel that > everything should be in stereo, at least when it comes > to music. I just don't understand that even with the > complexities of regulation on AM Stereo that it still > did not catch on. I know this is an AM stereo forum > and I hope that I didn't anger anyone bringing the > IBOC up, it was simply another chapter in radio that I > wanted to learn about if I am to be a future > broadcaster. I do not currently own any AM stereo > receivers but from what I understand of it and the > files i've heard, it is a decent format. At least > much better than standard mono AM. I would like to > see more broadcasters push the FCC to allow AM to at > least be on par and broadcast out to 15khz the way FM > is. I have no doubt that we have the technology and > many years of research and development to make both AM > and FM able to reproduce 20hz-20khz. I think that it > is possible without all those regulations. I simply > enjoy good stereo reproduction. I am somewhat old > school eventhough i'm only 32. I do not care for > MP3's or any compression technologies. I prefer the > real full quality product. I still buy CD's, LP's, > etc. MP3 players do fit a niche, mainly I can see > them being very good for say running or exercising.=20 > As a serious medium of stereo reproduction I don't > place much merit in those technologies. I do know > that most stations are now computerized, that is their > music is on hard drive and that does help the DJ and > make his job easier. As far as at home though give me > my CD's and LP's anyday! I'd also like to see more > emphasis placed on home stereo receivers versus so > much emphasis in the AM Stereo community being placed > on automobiles. I like good sound in a vehicle but it > always un-nerves me a bit when people have these > expensive car stereos but have crap for a system in a > home. I noticed about two years ago there were more > HD choices in home stereo receivers than now. It > seems as though manufactures of home stereo equipment > have pulled back somewhat. The Boston radios are ok > im sure but for me I'd rather it be through a full > home stereo system. I don't think a table radio would > quite do it for me. I very much support the AM stereo > community and i'd like to see more stations in stereo. > The main problem I see in this area though is the > lack of newly manufactured AM stereo receivers. I > know they are available but until they are available > in local stores in plentiful supply i'm not sure it > will have much resurgance except in niche groups like > ourselves. I just wrote this station that is using > the Kahn system. I asked what was the use? I mean > most of the radios that are around that have AM stereo > are Motorola CQUAM. I mean I know that you can take > two radios with the Kahn thing and tune one slightly > left and the other one slightly right of the frequency > and get a somewhat stereo sound but I mean who wants > to do that? > I'm a subscriber to XM and I am not completely > satisfied with them. Their content yes, their sound > quality not so much. The high end on XM isn't as > great as a modern FM station. At least on some > stations. It's hit and miss. The 60s and 90s > stations sound pretty good as does channel 76 which is > one of the surround channels. I talked with Phlash > Phelps of 60s on 6 on XM and he said they used MP2 > compression. At any rate I know my conversation is > all over the map. I just was curious about the IBOC > thing because I admit I don't know so much about it.=20 > I just don't see it catching on here in South Carolina > very much. I know of one station in the upstate that > broadcasts in it, thats it. I'd be glad to talk off > forum about radio in general. You may email me if you > wish. I'd be open to any suggestions, advice, etc to > someone starting out.=20=20 >=20 > -Kevin >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Tom Ray wrote: >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell > > =20 > > wrote: > > > > > > Question yall. The IBOC or Ibiguity HD AM. Is it > > in > > > Stereo or mono? I have read things where it says > > > "sounds like fm stereo" and yadda yadda. I know > > we > > > don't like to talk about it but if someone could > > just > > > clarify for me whether or not broadcasts on the HD > > AM > > > channels is in fact in stereo or not. That's all > > I > > > want to know about that format. And no I am not > > > running out to get HD, I could care less. I just > > > wanted to understand whether or not that was the > > case. > > > Thanks guys. > > >=20 > > > -Kevin > >=20 > > Hi Kevin: > >=20 > > Without all the hyperbole, the iBiquity system is > > stereo. We've=20 > > been running it for 4 years on WOR. > >=20 > > Some facts (and yes, I am a proponent - but I speak > > with facts and=20 > > from my experiences over a 4 year period where many > > others simply=20 > > offer commentary based on only their opinions. I > > have been involved=20 > > with much testing over the past 4 years and can > > offer insight gained=20 > > first hand....and you'll find that if I have a > > problem with=20 > > something, I state it, regardless of the fact that I > > support it.): > >=20 > > - The analog signal transmit with an HD signal can > > be either=20 > > frequency limited to 5kHz or 8kHz. The difference > > is in how an HD=20 > > receiver handles the HD decoding. The HD signal is > > much less robust=20 > > in 8K mode than 5K mode, as the radio must decode > > both sidebands=20 > > continuously in 8K mode to produce HD audio. In 5K > > mode, the radio=20 > > selects whichever sideband is better, and changes > > sidebands as=20 > > necessary. In many instances with most AM stations, > > the sidebands=20 > > as received at any given location are not identical > > in power for a=20 > > number of reasons.=20=20 > >=20 > > - I would dare say that the majority of AM radios > > produced and in=20 > > the hands of Joe Public (not necessarily the persons > > who frequent=20 > > this board - most members here have much better > > radios and make=20 > > their judgements based on wideband, which is not > > necessarily the=20 > > norm)cannot reproduce much more than 3-4kHz of audio > > bandwidth, so=20 > > limiting the trasmitted audio bandwidth to 5K is not > > necessarily=20 > > detrimental. If the processing is set up correctly, > > 5K can sound=20 > > quite good. Incidentally, under the older FCC > > regulations, AM=20 > > stations were required to prove only that they could > > pass up to=20 > > 5kHz. Anything above that was gravy. I know of > > many stations who=20 > > fed the transmitter with a 5K audio loop from Ma > > Bell - and no one=20 > > was complaining of 5K audio at that time. > >=20 > > - Yes, there are artifacts in the HD audio. It is a > > severely data=20 > > reduced medium (as are all Internet streams). That > > being said, they=20 > > are not the horror story most would have you > > believe. If the audio=20 > > and audio path at a given station are clean, the > > artifacts are=20 > > minimal and the HD audio sounds quite good. We > > constantly do=20 > > demonstrations of our HD audio - both on studio > > monitor speakers and=20 > > using headphones. I have yet to have anyone, > > whether from our=20 > > station or another station, or from the general > > public, say "yuck -=20 > > I won't listen to it". The AM HD can be quite > > impressive,=20 > > particularly with music. If the audio is handled > > correctly, the HD=20 > > will sound good. If it's not, it will sound pretty > > bad. If it is=20 > > overly processed, it will sound pretty bad. You > > can't get away with=20 > > some of the processing "techniques" that are used on > > analog on=20 > > HD...it will quickly become unlistenable. It's the > > garbage=20 > > in/garbage out theory, except in this case, the > > garbage can get=20 > > multiplied quickly due to the data reduction.=20=20 > > And I can tell if we air something that wasn't saved > > as a linear=20 > > file or are airing a spot that arrived as a low data > > rate MP3 - I=20 > > can hear the artifacts and that will generate a call > > from me to=20 > > Master Control about correcting the problem. Same > > if we are airing=20 > > a remote using MP3 rather than AAC coding...the MP3 > > ISDN link=20 > > produces a "halo" around the audio on the HD side, > > which is most=20 > > likely being enhanced by processing. > >=20 > > - HD coverage depends a lot on the radio. I have a > > Boston Acoustics=20 > > in my office. It works OK. I know of many that are > > deaf. I have=20 > > had three different car radios. One was decent for > > AM reception,=20 > > but the FM section was somewhat deaf. The one in my > > wife's car has=20 > > decent reception on both AM and FM, but the AM > > analog sounds like=20 > > doggy poo....it sounds like it's limited to 2K at > > the most and=20 > > distorts on high positive peaks. The Kenwood I'm > > presently using is=20 > > a very good radio. The analog AM sounds good. The > > sensitivity on=20 > > both AM and FM is very good. That being said, I > > live 50 miles from=20 > > the transmitter in the null. Once I get off the > > Thruway, I'm smack=20 > > dab in the middle of suburbia, in the null (maybe > > 4KW in that=20 > > direction), and it's noise central. Most times, I > > am lucky to hear=20 > > the analog decently. It is about 35-38 miles from > > the transmitter=20 > > to this point. I have an HD signal up to this point > > (hey...if=20 > > there's no RF, and you can't demod the analog, how > > are you going to=20 > > get the HD?). Up to about the 30 mile point, it is > > in stereo.=20=20 > > Going in the opposite direction, towards > > Philadelphia (that lobe is=20 > > 85KW), I can hold the HD to beyond the southern side > > of Philly, a=20 > > good 90 miles from the site. It holds in stereo to > > about 80-85=20 > > miles.=20=20 > >=20 > > - I received an email from someone in Indiana the > > other day. The=20 > > FCC allows us to run the HD from 6A to 6P during the > > winter months.=20=20 > > He sent me a picture of his Boston Acoustics radio, > > locked on WOR- > > HD, displaying our data, showing HD lock. It was > > 5:50PM Eastern=20 > > time. I thought that was really cool. If the > > conditions are right,=20 > > the HD will survive a long trek. > >=20 > > - You may ask "why bother with stereo for talk > > radio?". The same=20 > > argument can be made for C-Quam. Talk, in and of > > itself, is mono.=20=20 > > However, all of our effects, music bumpers and a > > good 85% of our=20 > > spots are in stereo. All of our in house promos are > > produced in=20 > > stereo. It adds a whole different dimension for the > > listener. > >=20 > > If you would care for additional information or > > would like to have a=20 > > discussion off line, please feel free to email me.=20=20 > >=20 > > Tom Ray > > VP/Corporate Director of Engineering > > Buckley Broadcasting/WOR Radio > > NYC > >=20 > >=20 > =3D=3D=3D message truncated =3D=3D=3D >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 > ___________________________________________________________________________= _________ > Want to start your own business? > Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index > From badeditpro@charter.net Thu Nov 23 14:32:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62318 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2006 22:30:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2006 22:30:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtao05.charter.net) (209.225.8.179) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2006 22:30:41 -0000 Received: from aa02.charter.net ([10.20.200.154]) by mtai04.charter.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20061123222530.NOZN1477.mtai04.charter.net@aa02.charter.net> for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 17:25:30 -0500 Received: from yourfd6nvjcer4 ([66.190.196.208]) by aa02.charter.net with SMTP id <20061123222529.TCRO10028.aa02.charter.net@yourfd6nvjcer4> for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 17:25:29 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c70f4e$48386670$d0c4be42@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 17:25:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Chzlrs: 0 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.8.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: IBOC ANALOG BANDWIDTH. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=5r5fqN2zVfriB7sxHld6PnQrwaleeu0FuqQgWMQtc_okqQH27cQLTF6h1HH4 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't care what anybody says... 5 k cannot be considered anything close to 'Hi-Fi'.... Well processed 10 k sounds very good and will fool 9 out of 10 people into thinking they are hearing FM on a average radio width enough front end bandwidth to pass at least 8 k of the original signal Even if you are only getting 6 k on the receiver with some vestigial harmonic artifacts coming through above 6 k, it still sounds better than 5 k. Having to restrict the analog signal is the biggest drawback to IBOC AM. The FM system does not adversely effect the sound of the analog signal so running IBOC is not a liability for FM even of none of the audience has an HD radio. (In fact, it usually improves the analog signal because of the purchase of a new audio processor, STL and more conservative analog modulation....) It sucks for AM, though! Contrary to published research, I have found MOST of the AM radios I have will pass something above 5 k. It may not be enough to contribute noticeably to the apparent fidelity of the signal but it's enough to pass IBOC hash. That includes my super-cheap bedside clock radio with the 2 and half inch speaker! Not to be picky, but I never even heard of a 5 k loop line ever being offered by the Telcos.... I always heard you could get either an 8 or 15 k line for broadcast use. I am most familiar with the 8 k flavor because many stations I worked for used those for church services, sports events and some high profile remote broadcasts where it was economically possible. I know of one FM station that used a pair of 15 k lines for a while for the main STL and it actually sounded pretty good.... A little noisy but certainly passable. I am starting to thing that HD will pretty much crash and burn with consumers. Th future for digital broadcasting lies in opening up a new band and promoting the hell out of. The European system can pass a high bit rate stereo signal that is reliable enough to cover what we would call a regional service area in this country. The audio is incredible, too... This stuff really sounds like a CD. The phase-in could be handled much like the introduction of FM was supposed to happen in the late 40's and early 50's. Existing broadcasters would have first dibs on local frequencies and they will be allowed to simulcast on the new band, just like with good 'ol AM and FM... It;s the only way folks. You can't put 10 pounds of crap into a 5 pound bag and that's exactly what the current IBOC system is trying to do, especially with the introduction of HD 2 on FM.... That was a really stupid move in and of itself but that is for another post. By the way, I remember very well reading that the FCC was going to strongly encourage X- banders to run C-QUAM... That was right around the time that they had adopted NRSC-I and NRSC-II along with finally standardizing AM stereo as C-QUAM. I think the idea was to make the X-band a showplace for the new generation AMAX AM standards... Too bad it didn't shake out that way. The best of intensions... Happy Turkey Day! Gobble-Gobble! :) JC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Nov 23 15:22:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17451 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2006 23:14:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2006 23:14:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52213.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.136) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2006 23:14:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 58828 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2006 23:11:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: vFw3nlsVM1lRhaDPXst9wgQLEqMn3lgSg2a5sCJR17pZz_W1RDzvzKOYaxEKroGgu7LLlI5fR24YDEIdwvl6nF4NO3spFP686L11y2BX_Yx3Ld9OgYMkwWWI_p9vXM027W14UXXx9oIQtNo- Received: from [12.76.217.12] by web52213.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 15:11:20 PST Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 15:11:20 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000701c70f4e$48386670$d0c4be42@yourfd6nvjcer4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <80118.58687.qm@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC ANALOG BANDWIDTH. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Ij9xnUX7soZ0vAf6_zJHWBfQXe3-jPofkFF00J_jolg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Joe Collins wrote: > Contrary to published research, I have found MOST of > the AM radios I have will pass something above 5 k. > It may not be enough to contribute noticeably to the > apparent fidelity of the signal but it's enough to > pass IBOC hash. That includes my super-cheap > bedside clock radio with the 2 and half inch > speaker! > > Not to be picky, but I never even heard of a 5 k > loop line ever being offered by the Telcos.... Those were the now gone D class lines and they didn't pass nearly that much...maybe 3? As a note an AM station is using an alarm circuit pair for their audio from studio to transmitter. It was virtually flat to 15 kilohertz. Both aren't that far from the CO. When the test was done....we said.....UMMMMM ....er...... signal to noise ratio was good. I think that's called luck. Powell NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Nov 23 15:29:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57670 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2006 23:17:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2006 23:17:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52210.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.133) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2006 23:17:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 87123 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2006 23:06:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: S92WIjcVM1m4jc5VOjk6wcKo0KPqEDwSCAtDxUKSiLcQiNdzeZyL_HWPcl6RcJ7AgidyMqKb70pHEtAwfiydHe7JtwgHwmYbS50l5Ozdt2C.I9yoS5rc.xkjfHa.Wsheo9Q8a8858Q2IsRg- Received: from [12.76.217.12] by web52210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 15:06:24 PST Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 15:06:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <516165.84223.qm@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Ibiquity question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=TBZzrbXnk56cpx3OTszKRcSvWlZ4QQ4tyYdqULAQrkY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > > > > > > I thought you could do 6 kilohertz. > [TR] You can, but the splash up to 6K creates issues > for the HD, ie, > data errors, that reduce HD coverage. OK > > The new cheapos, using the Toshiba TA2003 chip, > and > > others with the single chip option are > reaaaaallllly > > wide. The new 2006 Ford F150 I have as a rental > (got > > rear ended ) gets the IBOC hiss in on the AM 1400. > I > > thought that radio wouldn't do that, but I was > wrong. > [TR] I wonder if that radio has broader bandwidth, > or if there is a > setup issue with the HD on that station. I think it's in the radio. If the HD > carrier is not set > up correctly, it is possible for you to hear the > phase modulated HD > components (which are the components closest to the > carrier). I don't hear it on other radios and the set up was plug and play. When Bobby Lambert set up that 5/8 wave tower on 1400 it was done right. When tney measured everything prior to putting on the HD, everything was as perfect as you could find it, but that's the way the late Bobby Lambert was.... > > Incidentally, under the older FCC > > > regulations, AM > > > stations were required to prove only that they > could > > > pass up to > > > 5kHz. Anything above that was gravy. I know of > > > many stations who > > > fed the transmitter with a 5K audio loop from Ma > > > Bell - and no one > > > was complaining of 5K audio at that time. > > > > > > I can't remember that far back. > > [TR] Gee...call me an old fart, why don't cha??? Well you can call me an old Geeeeezer. I turned 60 in October.... Powell NNNN! From tomray@wor710.com Thu Nov 23 17:12:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90249 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2006 01:03:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2006 01:03:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2006 01:03:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2006 01:02:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2006 01:02:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 01:02:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c70f4e$48386670$d0c4be42@yourfd6nvjcer4> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: IBOC ANALOG BANDWIDTH. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=ZrYgXCIAyVIVx-e_UCD3Zn5FpBuHvWgQ0v8E3sPsq1xzbzhS X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Collins" wrote: > > I don't care what anybody says... 5 k cannot be considered anything close to 'Hi-Fi' [TR] I never said that it was. And frankly, 10K isn't 'hi-fi', either. > > Not to be picky, but I never even heard of a 5 k loop line ever being offered by the Telcos [TR] Then you never worked in Connecticut or many rural places. I distinctly remember having the option of putting in a 3.5K line (known as a non-equalized line), 5K, 8K, 15K, and 15K stereo conditioned.=20 Depending on where in the city the remote was, we sometimes could get away with putting in a 3.5K dry pair (simply copper from the remote site to our studios), tying a 150 ohm resistor across the punch block, putting it through a line amplifier then an EQ. In doing this, I could easily get a 3dB down point of 22KhZ. Tom Ray WOR, NYC From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Nov 23 17:32:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80205 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2006 01:19:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2006 01:19:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2006 01:19:28 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.158]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 132176221 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 19:19:01 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <006101c70f66$e1cdf300$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <80118.58687.qm@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 19:21:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.220.158 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC ANALOG BANDWIDTH. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=IYnhWYmdKxoYwvIlX7QILQC4k7wyGFrZs1b5Jbl6F7mhm-piAlQ9 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude A station in Watertown, MN was using the same sort of setup, except they had to go through a number of COs. They had to EQ the dickens out of it but they made it sound at least passable. Not sure what they're running now. It was sold to some hispanic broadcaster, who, despite installing a new transmitter and ATUs then finally a new phasor, managed to have enough failures of their DAX 6 transmitter that it was barely working when they sold it to the current group which is running Hmong programming. I have a feeling they never had things tuned right. Supposedly this new outfit is running CAM-D, but I haven't been able to hear it on my Sony SRF A100. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > As a note an AM station is using an alarm circuit pair > for their audio from studio to transmitter. It was > virtually flat to 15 kilohertz. Both aren't that far > from the CO. When the test was done....we > said.....UMMMMM ....er...... > signal to noise ratio was good. I think that's called > luck. From kjones_731@yahoo.com Thu Nov 23 17:38:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kjones_731@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21629 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2006 01:28:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2006 01:28:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2006 01:28:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2006 01:28:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2006 01:28:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 01:28:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.223.182.129 From: "kjones_731" Subject: Re: IBOC ANALOG BANDWIDTH. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=58737040; y=-l2aCsdgq2ahL_aAUbhT2S__NW-U4Z4fp9IkY4SFy_v8OX1T5A X-Yahoo-Profile: kjones_731 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Collins" > wrote: > > > > I don't care what anybody says... 5 k cannot be considered anything > close to 'Hi-Fi' =20 How about calling it High Of Five?=20=20 From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Nov 23 17:54:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68963 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2006 01:46:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2006 01:46:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2006 01:46:41 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.104.18.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.104.18] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GnQ5T-000125-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 20:42:44 -0500 Message-ID: <00cb01c70f69$d57b0360$12685b04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 20:42:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Ibiquity question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=vMR48G-LEiqkbiualIehFBUJcr0jo7BHDp8OqjwWox1ekowwttaQExYohtC9uw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: >even if he bought a multimode AM Stereo radio at the time, the technology >didn't exist to enable the radio to auto switch....there was one oddball >system that required you to hit a switch on the radio. The 1986 Kenwood KRC-959 did indeed auto-switch between all 4 AM Stereo systems (With slightly reduced performace in Motorola C-CQUAM and Harris mode) > >and then stations stopped installing the gear because of confusion (in >addition to delays caused by the lawsuit). Stations refused to spend the bucks for the Transmitter plant upgrades that were required to make AM Stereo work properly. Note that these are the very same upgrades that are required to make HD-Radio work properly. AM Stereo died the death of cheapscates. Some of the offenders in the Upstate of SC are /were WESC 660 Harris WLBG 860 C-QUAM WRIX 1020 Harris (But Mono STL) WHYZ 1070 C-QUAM WMTY 1090 C-QUAM WANS 1280 C-QUAM WFBC 1330 C-QUAM WGGB 1350 C-QUAM WHPB 1390 C-QUAM WCRS 1450 Kahn ISB WMRB 1490 Harris then C-QUAM as WPCI WBBR 1580 Kahn ISB WMRB did come back as WPCI (Radio Randy) in C-QUAM, but has or will be shortly switching to HD-Radio > >So in the 80's the FCC tried to fix this by narrowing AM bandwidth to >10kHz. But now the FCC allows the 30KC digital hash of HD-Radio? > >I tend to find that XM likes to monkey with things quite a bit, and they've >been narrowing the bandwidth of the music channels over the past two years. > Hopefully, they won't get them to the point of sounding like their comedy > channels, which are horrendous. XM had to reduce the bandwidth to add the channels programmed by Clear Channel (Music with ads) in order to settle a lawsuit. Even with the reduced bandwidth, XM still has slightly better audio that Sirius. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Nov 23 20:52:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53081 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2006 04:47:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2006 04:47:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.33) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2006 04:47:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 40336 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Nov 2006 02:46:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20061124024628.40334.qmail@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: aXCTAX8VM1l5WgH1rDs._0dyJLueN.dP_zS.2Zgmwf38hEujQhG5XWYKrvKx9OsCLNQJpC4h7NDZ9Uur9axjzEr9UJ0NQwMktnEIt6gjJEmbVDLsePBicwIRZuSXaKDNTyaZGLGra0FX8n2a4SVk60p0jFh74REivvxcIAZ3bI1nLeSjd0aLf5xhSA-- Received: from [74.226.219.151] by web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 18:46:25 PST Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 18:46:25 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00cb01c70f69$d57b0360$12685b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.33 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Ibiquity question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=LVdCoYG-SvBjFL6rwIvY15jFnlq15dGo5ws2YU2ovYg9TvQTj56X X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Kevin, Yeah WHYZ 1070 was a black music station back then. It is still black owned by TAMA out of Florida but they broadcast that good time oldies (oldies.net) show so they aren't local. They changed their letters to WCSZ. As far as I know they aren't broadcasting in Stereo and I understand that they had a problem with the 50,000 watt transmitter and are broadcasing more like perhaps 5,000 watts. That station is a ghost station. There are those two trailers over there and it always looks like a ghost town. No one ever there. It sits out there alone in that field, the two trailers and the antennas. I have to say I do like the good time oldies thing and I participate in their oldies surveys. I just wish they had some local DJ's. I just wonder if it's a matter of time before it flips to something else. It's been a host of things in the past 5-10 years. Last the station was a christian station before they made the switch to oldies. I don't understand why the oldies stations don't do well around here. For one I know tons of baby boomers and Gen X'ers like myself who love that music and listen to it on a regular basis. On the FM side we've had so many oldies stations come and go. I think what kills a lot of them is when they try to mix in late 70s and some early 80s in the mix. Most people here think of oldies as golden oldies 1955-1974 at most. It just doesn't "sound" right to play Billy Joel's "still rock n' roll to me" and then turn around and play The Friends of Distinction's Grazing in the Grass. The oldies stations that all failed did that. Thank God the automated thing that WCSZ is playing is good time oldies from the era I mentioned. Anyway I have rambled on so. I just wanted to comment on 1070 WCSZ. As far as the others I think they all are mono with the exception of Radio Randy and everyone knows about him and that station. I actually think he may have dropped AM stereo because my parents have the premium stereo in their Chrysler Town and Country and it has AM stereo and I can only get him in mono on it. He may have went mono HD already, not sure whats going on. I tuned in the other day and his station was dead. There was a carrier cause my tuned light came on but there was no music, just silence. Hours later it came back but it sounded as though he's reduced power or something. It isn't nearly as strong as it was. I haven't listened today. We have discussed good radios and bad. I want to say that my Tivoli Model One is an excellent DX radio. I get stations from all over at night. I can get WCBS 880 AM from New York with my tuned light fully strong on most nights. I live here in Greenville, SC. Also have got Alabama, Missouri, and others. It's fun to tune in different nights to see what is out there. Ok enough rambling. Hope you've had a happy thanksgiving. God Bless. Kevin Bell Greenville, SC --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Tom Ray wrote: > >even if he bought a multimode AM Stereo radio at > the time, the technology > >didn't exist to enable the radio to auto > switch....there was one oddball > >system that required you to hit a switch on the > radio. > > The 1986 Kenwood KRC-959 did indeed auto-switch > between all 4 AM Stereo > systems (With slightly reduced performace in > Motorola C-CQUAM and Harris > mode) > > > >and then stations stopped installing the gear > because of confusion (in > >addition to delays caused by the lawsuit). > > Stations refused to spend the bucks for the > Transmitter plant upgrades that > were required to make AM Stereo work properly. Note > that these are the very > same upgrades that are required to make HD-Radio > work properly. AM Stereo > died the death of cheapscates. > > Some of the offenders in the Upstate of SC are /were > > WESC 660 Harris > WLBG 860 C-QUAM > WRIX 1020 Harris (But Mono STL) > WHYZ 1070 C-QUAM > WMTY 1090 C-QUAM > WANS 1280 C-QUAM > WFBC 1330 C-QUAM > WGGB 1350 C-QUAM > WHPB 1390 C-QUAM > WCRS 1450 Kahn ISB > WMRB 1490 Harris then C-QUAM as WPCI > WBBR 1580 Kahn ISB > > WMRB did come back as WPCI (Radio Randy) in C-QUAM, > but has or will be > shortly switching to HD-Radio > > > >So in the 80's the FCC tried to fix this by > narrowing AM bandwidth to > >10kHz. > > But now the FCC allows the 30KC digital hash of > HD-Radio? > > > >I tend to find that XM likes to monkey with things > quite a bit, and they've > >been narrowing the bandwidth of the music channels > over the past two years. > > Hopefully, they won't get them to the point of > sounding like their comedy > > channels, which are horrendous. > > XM had to reduce the bandwidth to add the channels > programmed by Clear > Channel (Music with ads) in order to settle a > lawsuit. Even with the reduced > bandwidth, XM still has slightly better audio that > Sirius. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From bob_welch550@yahoo.com Thu Nov 23 21:45:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bob_welch550@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38288 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2006 05:42:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2006 05:42:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2006 05:42:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2006 05:41:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2006 05:41:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 05:41:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.72.98.83 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: I have a AM STEREO idea!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213592090; y=cFzHZJ0L4q6J0PojJIerapD2B1z_z8WDYOa9FuaEX-1BTuw4CZB2 X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Scott, Given the near telephone quality of the simulcast... and trust me...=20 from even the technically un-trained ear of colleagues of mine it=20 sounded bad... having AM Stereo wouldn't have made what sounded bad=20 sound any better. Mind you, CJAD's Stereo, when I was able to tune=20 it in, sounded absolutely like the symphony or something. I=20 listened to CJAD when the stereo was on in my truck... I forget the=20 make or model of the tuner that I used. I used to also listen to=20 CJAD in stereo on a modified TM-152. It was modified by the man who=20 came in from Maine to install the Continental Electronics=20 transmitter from which the Stereo came from.=20=20 Now, because I only work part-time for WDEV Waterbury, I only come=20 up there on occasion and live full-time in Massachusetts. I still=20 listen to CJAD on my Bell ExpressVu however. That which is sent to=20 the "bird" sounds like a mono feed to me. Just my humble opinion.=20=20 Doesn't compare to the way 800 used to sing to me in Stereo. The=20 commercial spots "sung." Bob --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Welch" =20 wrote: > > Greetings Scott, >=20 > 900 in Sherbrooke, Quebec (CKTS) has already gone silent. As of=20 > November 14, the CRTC was notified by Corus that substantial=20 > transmitter upgrades were needed on it's array and that when=20 contacted=20 > Standard Radio, CJAD 800's owner (CJAD has been relayed on 900 in=20 > Sherbrooke for nearly a decade) was not interested in contributing=20 to=20 > the repairs. >=20 > I was informed of this by reading Fybush.com this week. >=20 > Bob @ WDEV- Waterbury, VT >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > > > 900 is already a Canadian clear... > >=20 > > Scott Todd > >=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: "Norbert 26" > >=20 > > Need the FCC to make 900 KHZ a clear channel and have WNMB=20 increase=20 > power > > to 100 KW and then this idea might work. > > > > > > From bob_welch550@yahoo.com Thu Nov 23 21:51:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bob_welch550@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66008 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2006 05:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2006 05:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.135) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2006 05:44:52 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2006 05:41:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2006 05:41:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2006 05:41:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 05:41:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.135 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.72.98.83 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: I have a AM STEREO idea!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213592090; y=XeYNp0JhfIJiws2E4zn1pZFYUMf-IK58QkQbKkvesZpudXGD9x0Y X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Scott, Given the near telephone quality of the simulcast... and trust me...=20 from even the technically un-trained ear of colleagues of mine it=20 sounded bad... having AM Stereo wouldn't have made what sounded bad=20 sound any better. Mind you, CJAD's Stereo, when I was able to tune=20 it in, sounded absolutely like the symphony or something. I=20 listened to CJAD when the stereo was on in my truck... I forget the=20 make or model of the tuner that I used. I used to also listen to=20 CJAD in stereo on a modified TM-152. It was modified by the man who=20 came in from Maine to install the Continental Electronics=20 transmitter from which the Stereo came from.=20=20 Now, because I only work part-time for WDEV Waterbury, I only come=20 up there on occasion and live full-time in Massachusetts. I still=20 listen to CJAD on my Bell ExpressVu however. That which is sent to=20 the "bird" sounds like a mono feed to me. Just my humble opinion.=20=20 Doesn't compare to the way 800 used to sing to me in Stereo. The=20 commercial spots "sung." --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Welch" =20 wrote: > > Greetings Scott, >=20 > 900 in Sherbrooke, Quebec (CKTS) has already gone silent. As of=20 > November 14, the CRTC was notified by Corus that substantial=20 > transmitter upgrades were needed on it's array and that when=20 contacted=20 > Standard Radio, CJAD 800's owner (CJAD has been relayed on 900 in=20 > Sherbrooke for nearly a decade) was not interested in contributing=20 to=20 > the repairs. >=20 > I was informed of this by reading Fybush.com this week. >=20 > Bob @ WDEV- Waterbury, VT >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > > > 900 is already a Canadian clear... > >=20 > > Scott Todd > >=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: "Norbert 26" > >=20 > > Need the FCC to make 900 KHZ a clear channel and have WNMB=20 increase=20 > power > > to 100 KW and then this idea might work. > > > > > > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Nov 25 07:18:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48469 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2006 15:13:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2006 15:13:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2006 15:13:00 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.104.133.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.104.133] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Gnz8f-0000oq-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 10:08:21 -0500 Message-ID: <012d01c710a3$8b53d830$85685b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <20061124024628.40334.qmail@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 10:08:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Oldies and WCSZ was: AM Ibiquity question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=y9N9aCJhbZNgeyHugnwn_Rz1jnJ7l9ggGPmkypc6MQQzN6V8CqbeMzU68jfXLg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: >There are those two trailers over there and it always looks like a ghost >town. Actually, the two trailers are just sales offices. The studio and transmitter are located in the Block building out back. > > I don't understand why the oldies stations don't do well around here. Greenville is a Country Music market. WESC's Country format is the longest running format in the Upstate. Country, AC and Urban will always be the dominating formats. Oldies will never keep a station in the top 5, so owners flip formats looking for ANYTHING to put them in the top 5. In the mean time they automate Oldies as well as other formats looking to save a dollar while driving away listeners in droves. The last "Live N Local" Oldies were on WFBC-FM. It is interesting to note that even as bad as Oldies was done on WGVC-FM, it still pulled a solid 4.0 or better while the Bible Banger format is now only pulling a 2.3 on that station. I thought WGVC shot themselves in the ass when they moved from Newberry to Greenville but dumped their "Groovin Oldies" for the crap they replaced it with. Perhaps WCSZ will pull some real numbers with the Oldies format and turn that station around? > >I think what kills a lot of them is when they try to mix in late 70s and >some early 80s in the mix. Most people here think of oldies as golden >oldies 1955-1974 at most. WANS 1280 "The Beach" sure didn't do that, but what keeps killing WANS is the poor signal in the "Money" areas of the market. > >As far as the others I think they all are mono with the exception of Radio >Randy and everyone knows about him and that station. He may have went >mono HD already, not sure whats going on. WPCI was one of the first stations in SC to be on the HD list from Ibiquity, so he must have flipped to HD. > > I tuned in the other day and his station was dead. There was a carrier > cause my tuned light came on but there was no music, just silence. Hours > later it came back but it sounded as though he's reduced power or > something. It isn't nearly as strong as it was. Yup, he is playing with his HD-Radio exciter. > > I can get WCBS 880 AM from New York with my tuned light fully strong on > most nights. I live here in Greenville, SC. Here 880 is solid Cuba. > >It's fun to tune in different nights to see what is out there. Yes it is! Here I can get several South American stations as well as the Caribbean. ZNS-1 1540 is still my favorite. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Nov 25 09:29:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9269 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2006 17:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2006 17:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.30) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2006 17:29:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 43347 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Nov 2006 16:16:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20061125161652.43345.qmail@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Fu7.cF4VM1n3Svz.I_m9v.mFWPYdGjd888suM2_EQkcXXfma.aowsUtaywiVRA6Ki2SDAbo2XUsgscMu.HlSfgdRYsOdCNuKnoTOOlnlW9h5cHHOTcfgWwHDTVdzhi3N58m8sTl8fzpbp9JEE2VC541XPBrio7U4aBdzZmbThiVMgMwpVu8etKDD2w-- Received: from [74.226.219.151] by web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 08:16:52 PST Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 08:16:52 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <012d01c710a3$8b53d830$85685b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Oldies and WCSZ was: AM Ibiquity question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=kR6xRJ9vcryjir_GYHPCU69FmZ8i7UFLxJRxeDJ-HxumJavuzefs X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Kevin, Yeah we agree on the oldies thing I think! Yeah WGVC wasn't programmed so well. I even emailed Bob Mclain and bitched about it. He wrote me back and was like "geez am I that bad" I wrote back "yeah you are as a programmer!" LOL!! I just gave him the lowdown on how to do an oldies station. I also told him at the time "I predict you'll be off the air as an oldies station in the next few months" . Damn if I wasn't right! You gotta do an oldies station right. XM's 60s on 6 has the right idea but I don't think they should act like it's the 60s now. I think what a station should do is play a good time oldies format 1955-1974 or lets say when elvis started out up to 1974. Much past 74 is the disco era and yuck! Anyway do a good time oldies format, purchase some PAMS jingles, (the same type that XM uses which used to be what a lot of stations used back then), get some good DJ's who KNOW the music and era and can quote some history from the time to go along iwth the music, keep people up to date with CURRENT weather, traffic, news, etc., and just have fun with it! That's how I'd do one. Hell I'm not even a broadcaster, at least not yet :o)! I'm just saying, im 32 and why do I know how to do one better than a lot of these do do's out here? Speaking of DJ's they need to get some crazy ones who push the envelope and have fun with it. The young guys certainly try to have fun up here on B 93.7! Dino does a good show at night for the high school/college age. I agree that the last good oldies station that Greenville had was 93.7 WFBC. Oh I could have cried the day that station left. I still have tapes of it that I recorded off the air. At least WCSZ does a good time oldies format. I just think they could make it so good if they had DJ's there and did it local. Heck I might go knock on the door and see if I could beg them to put me on the air if they did, ha! At least I think I have good ideas on how to do a station like that. One question I have on the technical side. Ok you know where WCSZ is, you've seen it. My question is this: Is there any danger in having your studio so close to the antennas? I mean there has to be considerable amount of RF radiation. Now I know theres all types of radiation but what about antennas like that and cancer? I've heard people talk about standing under them and "feeling" it. I thought to myself "id never stand under one that close!" . What do you know about this concerning health and cancer? I was just curious about that. Well Kevin it was nice reading your post. I always enjoy them. Take care. -Kevn Bell Greenville, SC --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Kevin Bell wrote: > >There are those two trailers over there and it > always looks like a ghost > >town. > > Actually, the two trailers are just sales offices. > The studio and > transmitter are located in the Block building out > back. > > > > I don't understand why the oldies stations don't > do well around here. > > Greenville is a Country Music market. WESC's Country > format is the longest > running format in the Upstate. Country, AC and Urban > will always be the > dominating formats. Oldies will never keep a station > in the top 5, so owners > flip formats looking for ANYTHING to put them in the > top 5. In the mean time > they automate Oldies as well as other formats > looking to save a dollar while > driving away listeners in droves. The last "Live N > Local" Oldies were on > WFBC-FM. > > It is interesting to note that even as bad as Oldies > was done on WGVC-FM, it > still pulled a solid 4.0 or better while the Bible > Banger format is now only > pulling a 2.3 on that station. I thought WGVC shot > themselves in the ass > when they moved from Newberry to Greenville but > dumped their "Groovin > Oldies" for the crap they replaced it with. Perhaps > WCSZ will pull some real > numbers with the Oldies format and turn that station > around? > > > >I think what kills a lot of them is when they try > to mix in late 70s and > >some early 80s in the mix. Most people here think > of oldies as golden > >oldies 1955-1974 at most. > > WANS 1280 "The Beach" sure didn't do that, but what > keeps killing WANS is > the poor signal in the "Money" areas of the market. > > > >As far as the others I think they all are mono with > the exception of Radio > >Randy and everyone knows about him and that > station. He may have went > >mono HD already, not sure whats going on. > > WPCI was one of the first stations in SC to be on > the HD list from Ibiquity, > so he must have flipped to HD. > > > > I tuned in the other day and his station was dead. > There was a carrier > > cause my tuned light came on but there was no > music, just silence. Hours > > later it came back but it sounded as though he's > reduced power or > > something. It isn't nearly as strong as it was. > > Yup, he is playing with his HD-Radio exciter. > > > > I can get WCBS 880 AM from New York with my tuned > light fully strong on > > most nights. I live here in Greenville, SC. > > Here 880 is solid Cuba. > > > >It's fun to tune in different nights to see what is > out there. > > Yes it is! Here I can get several South American > stations as well as the > Caribbean. ZNS-1 1540 is still my favorite. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Nov 25 10:44:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27163 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2006 18:34:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2006 18:34:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52205.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.128) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2006 18:34:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 36040 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Nov 2006 18:34:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: cgPqebgVM1n5dwIXvk3faIOVOVnGG0Hs5EANm3OowRwryMRZJyTGoH1EYx04m6JlUGGKx1uR6tM6ahVdFbIzUaPOrvQ3kPqlDog3A8WBbXbQ9seLrHfY.J3Ezk6..jXd0ChBsOm4l2DQcRk- Received: from [12.76.217.166] by web52205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 10:34:06 PST Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 10:34:06 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <012d01c710a3$8b53d830$85685b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <730461.33820.qm@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Oldies and WCSZ was: AM Ibiquity question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=wHifCjC_OXAjRlZm9C7sx-Fo1K6_plKTwesDgbTmbHE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > I don't understand why the oldies stations don't > do well around here. I thought WGVC shot > themselves in the ass > when they moved from Newberry to Greenville but > dumped their "Groovin > Oldies" for the crap they replaced it with. Perhaps > WCSZ will pull some real > numbers with the Oldies format and turn that station > around? Yeah, but WKDK **STILL** beat them in the ratings. Powell NNNN! From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Nov 25 12:09:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7887 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2006 20:05:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2006 20:05:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2006 20:05:27 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.146]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 133603893 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 14:00:00 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004f01c710cc$a8b2a040$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20061125161652.43345.qmail@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 14:02:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 3, in=3, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.146 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Oldies and WCSZ was: AM Ibiquity question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=Hy8Dr_1AX6UmedT23KjpNpnrscLbnuO1wPSqPaWRZtNVcQBQDwqX X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It's not really a problem at AM BC freqs unless you're right by the towers. Biggest problem is the RF heats up your body. It's worst at FM and some microwave frequencies. The worst problem about studio-transmitter co-location is RF getting back into the electronics. Otherwise, if you're outside the tower fences you're probably OK. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" One question I have on the > technical side. Ok you know where WCSZ is, you've > seen it. My question is this: Is there any danger in > having your studio so close to the antennas? I mean > there has to be considerable amount of RF radiation. > Now I know theres all types of radiation but what > about antennas like that and cancer? I've heard > people talk about standing under them and "feeling" > it. I thought to myself "id never stand under one > that close!" . What do you know about this concerning > health and cancer? From amfmtech@yahoo.com Sat Nov 25 13:28:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30329 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2006 21:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2006 21:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56808.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.82) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2006 21:18:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 29360 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Nov 2006 21:11:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20061125211152.29358.qmail@web56808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: vIcx.W8VM1m.tCf4TdoI25GBceu3XdI_wMA1p9eMlz2Y9ZhnjAQRPXmzmaxHDRqwiQZqWq9vnvMILFfP_uGharLQlavNTFpdGtCI3m8u3FQG5iz1HrQJ7WGcAkq3xOKE2ma2Cu1o9jltu.I- Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56808.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 13:11:51 PST Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 13:11:51 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006101c70f66$e1cdf300$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC ANALOG BANDWIDTH. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=2Q7nrRIZHNTsJWMO65BFlIme5NJfcxVV5dkuWa4gmGRjyOU X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the very early 1960s the 1310 WKMH transmitter was fed from the studios by telco loop. We used a 15,000 hertz one way loop installed by Bell engineers.. The loop was pretty good quality, but at times we could hear the stepper switches on the air in the background of the station's audio when there was dead air or someone talking quietly. The transmitter along I94 was fed from the studios in Dearborn. I remember that we used a Gates Level Devil for the main processing. We also had a studio link on 161.7 megahertz but it was not the best quality. Loops and tubes. Things of the past. ...Harold Scott Todd wrote: A station in Watertown, MN was using the same sort of setup, except they had to go through a number of COs. They had to EQ the dickens out of it but they made it sound at least passable. Not sure what they're running now. It was sold to some hispanic broadcaster, who, despite installing a new transmitter and ATUs then finally a new phasor, managed to have enough failures of their DAX 6 transmitter that it was barely working when they sold it to the current group which is running Hmong programming. I have a feeling they never had things tuned right. Supposedly this new outfit is running CAM-D, but I haven't been able to hear it on my Sony SRF A100. Scott Todd __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Nov 25 15:36:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4191 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2006 23:31:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2006 23:31:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2006 23:31:31 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.110.174.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.110.174] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Go6qy-0007Fr-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 18:22:37 -0500 Message-ID: <012201c710e8$974fb970$ae6e5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <20061125161652.43345.qmail@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 18:22:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Oldies and WCSZ was: AM Ibiquity question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=54hxLZQKK4vrIEHq2AxUlapxNEFNQwxS2Xh1Zh8tSnr-UgNWSFwwpLUR24fqOQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: >why do I know how to do one better than a lot of these do do's out here? When you work in radio, you gotta do as the GM, PD, and MD says. They listen to over-paid consultants who don't know a damn thing about your market. The result is every station sounds the same no matter if Clear Channel or Tama owns it. > > Heck I might go knock on the door and see if I could beg them to put me on > the air if they did, ha! At least Careful, you may end up on AM Drive! > >Ok you know where WCSZ is, you've seen it. My question is this: Is there >any danger in having your studio so close to the antennas? You will hear tales of St. Elmo's Fire jumping out and zapping the CE of WHYZ. That was with the old Harris VP-50 transmitter and phasor that had all of the safety systems bypassed. During one of the many times WHYZ went silent, the plant was replaced with the current Harris MW-50. It is now safe. > >I know theres all types of radiation but what about antennas like that and >cancer? Don't worry. You may grow and extra testicle or two, but there is no real danger > > I've heard people talk about standing under them and "feeling" it. I > thought to myself "id never stand under one that close!" . One night I was helping Tiny work on the old VP-50 and we fired it up. Well, as you know Bats fly using RADAR and SONAR for navigation. Bats were flying into the antennas and were getting fried like flies in a bug zapper! This was long before WHYZ got night authority. In a Super-High RF environment like WCSZ where the Studio is between the towers and the transmitter is actually making 50,000 Watts, larger pieces of ungrounded metal will zapp you! > > What do you know about this concerning health and cancer? I was just > curious about that. Radio Engineers do have problems with Cancer. Such is the price for having FUN. Don't let that stop you. Radio Equipment is MUCH better shielded and regulations are much tighter than back in the "Good Ol' Days". From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Nov 25 15:44:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91164 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2006 23:28:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2006 23:28:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2006 23:28:50 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.110.174.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.110.174] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Go6wn-0000RX-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 18:28:38 -0500 Message-ID: <012f01c710e9$6e8eb8a0$ae6e5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <730461.33820.qm@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 18:28:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Oldies and WCSZ was: AM Ibiquity question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=UPus-GkIDYYlu1YsciwCxpxdhBv35EYEuM2puHWjkjDSaVLWaKTMeKFe0bLp2g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > Yeah, but WKDK **STILL** beat them in the ratings. That is because WKDK http://www.wkdk.com/ is / was programmed the way an AM station is supposed to be programmed. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Nov 25 16:11:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75037 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2006 00:11:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2006 00:11:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52209.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.132) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2006 00:11:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 96222 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Nov 2006 00:11:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: M2rj0p8VM1mO4yylAs6npjfS1_CMJSDGo9y8vCIUb5PoPN4LA.TxhjBe75lc3XYHxoGFGO3cyoT9MvppedgvxpIR1VpvE30eTcsAbBvYRk7odVz_a6lZqH48Quo8P0H5lazQqZmiq0MgpA-- Received: from [12.76.216.176] by web52209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 16:11:05 PST Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 16:11:05 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <012f01c710e9$6e8eb8a0$ae6e5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <637182.95823.qm@web52209.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Oldies and WCSZ was: AM Ibiquity question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=IdlYaBvblSLOUbtgc_yF8S5vnRfgnMKT4LiuHBDnJes X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > Yeah, but WKDK **STILL** beat them in the ratings. > > That is because WKDK http://www.wkdk.com/ is / was > programmed the way an AM > station is supposed to be programmed. AND yes, they ARE streaming! Powell NNNN! From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Nov 26 03:30:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9651 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2006 11:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2006 11:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2006 11:18:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 35516 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Nov 2006 11:07:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: b8U1j9YVM1lRWa1HB6oVnjWusNHYFu9hiiRcMAEmyh37DTb2eRB3HT0eb9Vs4izOh7cXfdHaEWJSX.tNaXGR6UlTDltFnI6IoSGtAnkEJn_6DRPk1V8mexkq_P8qp9rWwp.W7h78pTdKf3lyATK3UwXpvwyUviqIS.cSQvKBUWcPHTlGym9LHM7_ZQ-- Received: from [74.226.219.151] by web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Nov 2006 03:06:58 PST Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 03:06:58 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <572837.35045.qm@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=mdhuOc4GJVHj_MzW02QXxbzBG-3NKmMGh3ZZ9oeOayFwE9ZnZzVn X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Ok so I finally had my first taste of AM stereo. Yes I had heard it via the web but that really isn't the real thing. I've also heard the MP3's people have of stations recorded. Ok that said I i've been tuning in on my parents Chrysler Town and Country. It has the 3 band EQ, tape deck, cd deck, infinity speakers, and FM/AM Stereo radio. Yes all of it is factory. I believe Chryslers radios still may have AM stereo. They sure haven't changed them much. My parents is a 1999 and I know they made that same radio up to 2001. The new one looks very similar only the controsl are in different places. I can see Chrysler placed quite an importance on AM stereo. I had always been a con of Chrysler products, mainly because no one in my family had ever bought one. Mostly Chevy's and Fords. To my surprise Chrysler stereo systems are quite good. Now on to my questions. I didn't have a local station to listen to so I had to go out to it overnight and listen when the propogation is good. Finally I got something. It must have been a good night for DX. I saw the ST (Stereo) light come on for the first time. I had started to believe that the stereo did not have AM stereo until oila' ST ligths up! Well I think it was trying to receive several stations at once. Heres the thing. I had a good talk station coming in with a solid mono vocal dead center and then the ST light comes on. Voice stays center however I noticed that it seemed as though other stations were trying to play along in the L and R channels while the voice stayed solid good signal mono. That was a wild effect. It had an almost surround effect and I think that could be due to platform motion, I've read about it. It is an interesting phenomena. I was getting 820 AM and 890 AM with the ST light staying on strong. On 890 it's actually WLS from Chicago. I guess the stereo signal may have been coming through due to other stations out there. I don't think WLS broadcasts in stereo. Ok so heres a question finally! Why is it that I can pull in say 890 AM WLS and 880 WCBS from New York City clearly yet I cannot pull in WNMB 900 AM Stereo from Myrtle Beach? I live in Greenville, South Carolina and that baffles me because WNMB is much closer to me than WLS, WCBS, etc. I know that WLS is a clear channel 50K station so perhaps that still has a lot to do with it. You would think though at night I could at least get some signal from Myrtle Beach which is just across the state. One thing I have noticed about AM stereo is the seperation. Of the things i've heard come in the seperation is so different from that of FM. FM is so overprocessed these days that it messes with the seperation in my humble opinion. FM stations sound overly bright at times. Almost sizzling the highs. AM's seperation was almost wonderland like. It sure is different. I couldn't believe it. The music that I did hear coming through had a natural sound. It didn't sound so overly bright and processed. I'm all for pure clean signal. I sat there in the Town and Country and thought to myself "my God if AM stations were all stereo and allowed to broadcast out to 20khz I think they'd move FM off the dial". Call me crazy but I have a theory about sound. They say we lose our hearing as we age, well it may be true and then again it may not be so true, LOL!! For one thing I used to like everything bright and treble wide open when I was younger. Now I prefer a more smooth sound, it just sounds harsh to my ears sometimes! With that in mind I know that it's not that I am losing it, perhaps I have too much high end hearing! Ha! I almost joined the navy a couple of years ago but got cold feet. What I did learn from that though was my medical told me that my eyesight was 20/20 and my hearing was impeccable! The lady testing my hearing looked at me like I was crazy. She said "your hearing is incredible"! Maybe that's why I like to turn the treble down but why did I like the treble so high as young person? Makes no sense guys! ha! Anyway this stuff gets ahold of you and will not let you go! All this radio stuff, damn I can't wait till I start my classes next semester. I mean don't get me wrong I've always been a radio nut but now I am more than ever! I've actually missed the heck out of yall's posts this weekend. I know everyones been busy with their families and all but dang yall get some posts going! It is 6:03 AM on sunday morning and I can tell you that I am still getting WCBS 880 from New York on my Tivoli Model One radio loud and clear! The Tuned light is on! Oh yeah I almost forgot guys. I wanted to send yall a link. I came in and got online to check some of these station ID's. I went over to WLS's site. Their engineer has really put up some good reading on their site. Check it out here: http://www.wlsam.com/article.asp?id=129176 It is quite extensive and good reading for listeners to learn something about AM. Oh I'm going to shut up. Hope you guys had a good weekend. Mine has been pretty good. Let me know what you think about my rambling! Take care yall.. -Kevin Greenville, SC ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From wnmb@sc.rr.com Sun Nov 26 06:43:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53670 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2006 14:37:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2006 14:37:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.103) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2006 14:36:58 -0000 Received: from WNMB900 (cpe-024-211-081-090.sc.res.rr.com [24.211.81.90]) by ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kAQDXFl6005464 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2006 08:33:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000801c7115f$6d48c780$6401a8c0@WNMB900> To: References: <572837.35045.qm@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 08:33:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Norman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=SjacX790YLDkGbDPQYKMdJpVKaoRPNb9BqBio1DElCKobA X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, As to your reception of the distant signals, it's the "skywave" coming to you after reflecting off the cooled atmosphere in the night hours. Both WLS and WCBS broadcast with 50,000 watts so the reflected skywave can be broad at times. You can't get WNMB for two reasons. First, we are only 500 watts. We protect a pre-existing station in Rockingham, N.C. Second, we are directional with a two tower array. 65% of our signal travels north. The towers are located a few miles south of our city of license, so the end result is a really good signal that travels right through North Myrtle Beach and it can be heard well in other areas to the north of us. The southern part of our signal goes into Myrtle Beach. We've gotten several dx reports over the years primarily from areas north of us, and from several ships at sea. WLS, up until recently, and perhaps even now, has been using its C-quam generator at night. The station has enough signal to where in the past I have gotten very good stereo from it on my walkman and on the Sony SRF-a1000 portables. Have a great day! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Bell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 6:06 AM Subject: {AMSF} Questions Ok so I finally had my first taste of AM stereo. Yes I had heard it via the web but that really isn't the real thing. I've also heard the MP3's people have of stations recorded. Ok that said I i've been tuning in on my parents Chrysler Town and Country. It has the 3 band EQ, tape deck, cd deck, infinity speakers, and FM/AM Stereo radio. Yes all of it is factory. I believe Chryslers radios still may have AM stereo. They sure haven't changed them much. My parents is a 1999 and I know they made that same radio up to 2001. The new one looks very similar only the controsl are in different places. I can see Chrysler placed quite an importance on AM stereo. I had always been a con of Chrysler products, mainly because no one in my family had ever bought one. Mostly Chevy's and Fords. To my surprise Chrysler stereo systems are quite good. Now on to my questions. I didn't have a local station to listen to so I had to go out to it overnight and listen when the propogation is good. Finally I got something. It must have been a good night for DX. I saw the ST (Stereo) light come on for the first time. I had started to believe that the stereo did not have AM stereo until oila' ST ligths up! Well I think it was trying to receive several stations at once. Heres the thing. I had a good talk station coming in with a solid mono vocal dead center and then the ST light comes on. Voice stays center however I noticed that it seemed as though other stations were trying to play along in the L and R channels while the voice stayed solid good signal mono. That was a wild effect. It had an almost surround effect and I think that could be due to platform motion, I've read about it. It is an interesting phenomena. I was getting 820 AM and 890 AM with the ST light staying on strong. On 890 it's actually WLS from Chicago. I guess the stereo signal may have been coming through due to other stations out there. I don't think WLS broadcasts in stereo. Ok so heres a question finally! Why is it that I can pull in say 890 AM WLS and 880 WCBS from New York City clearly yet I cannot pull in WNMB 900 AM Stereo from Myrtle Beach? I live in Greenville, South Carolina and that baffles me because WNMB is much closer to me than WLS, WCBS, etc. I know that WLS is a clear channel 50K station so perhaps that still has a lot to do with it. You would think though at night I could at least get some signal from Myrtle Beach which is just across the state. One thing I have noticed about AM stereo is the seperation. Of the things i've heard come in the seperation is so different from that of FM. FM is so overprocessed these days that it messes with the seperation in my humble opinion. FM stations sound overly bright at times. Almost sizzling the highs. AM's seperation was almost wonderland like. It sure is different. I couldn't believe it. The music that I did hear coming through had a natural sound. It didn't sound so overly bright and processed. I'm all for pure clean signal. I sat there in the Town and Country and thought to myself "my God if AM stations were all stereo and allowed to broadcast out to 20khz I think they'd move FM off the dial". Call me crazy but I have a theory about sound. They say we lose our hearing as we age, well it may be true and then again it may not be so true, LOL!! For one thing I used to like everything bright and treble wide open when I was younger. Now I prefer a more smooth sound, it just sounds harsh to my ears sometimes! With that in mind I know that it's not that I am losing it, perhaps I have too much high end hearing! Ha! I almost joined the navy a couple of years ago but got cold feet. What I did learn from that though was my medical told me that my eyesight was 20/20 and my hearing was impeccable! The lady testing my hearing looked at me like I was crazy. She said "your hearing is incredible"! Maybe that's why I like to turn the treble down but why did I like the treble so high as young person? Makes no sense guys! ha! Anyway this stuff gets ahold of you and will not let you go! All this radio stuff, damn I can't wait till I start my classes next semester. I mean don't get me wrong I've always been a radio nut but now I am more than ever! I've actually missed the heck out of yall's posts this weekend. I know everyones been busy with their families and all but dang yall get some posts going! It is 6:03 AM on sunday morning and I can tell you that I am still getting WCBS 880 from New York on my Tivoli Model One radio loud and clear! The Tuned light is on! Oh yeah I almost forgot guys. I wanted to send yall a link. I came in and got online to check some of these station ID's. I went over to WLS's site. Their engineer has really put up some good reading on their site. Check it out here: http://www.wlsam.com/article.asp?id=129176 It is quite extensive and good reading for listeners to learn something about AM. Oh I'm going to shut up. Hope you guys had a good weekend. Mine has been pretty good. Let me know what you think about my rambling! Take care yall.. -Kevin Greenville, SC __________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Nov 26 08:04:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74236 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2006 15:53:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2006 15:53:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.30) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2006 15:53:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 26513 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Nov 2006 15:23:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: uxzqisAVM1n.vL8InuPwgG98p9egT92JQ3wi32YF Received: from [74.226.219.151] by web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Nov 2006 07:23:27 PST Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 07:23:27 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000801c7115f$6d48c780$6401a8c0@WNMB900> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <106843.26313.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=jE33qZhjbWcbzIMZmsdpqSxMXU6Elyq9hvT1c3qMQNbm0fIHgN97 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Bill, Hey good to hear from you! Hope Thanksgiving was great. Yeah I figured it had a lot to do with the wattage too. I knew in one of your emails recently you had mentioned your power output to me. I had just hoped I could get you at night in some way!! I do think that WLS has their CQUAM exciter up and going. I sure was receiving the ST light on my parents town and country. The stereo's in those Chrysler Town and Country's are really nice and full featured complete with Infinity speakers from the factory. I think it has 8 speakers or maybe more. It seems to be a really good AM receiver. Now I don't know if the fact that it's CQUAM makes it pull in better but I'd venture to say it's more with the AMAX standards. That is the strongest AM section ive ever seen in a vehicle. Even on the mono broadcasting stations fidelity is quite good. Very low noise if any at all. WCSZ 1070 AM isn't using their CQUAM exciter though, it's just plain mono. This brings me to another question. Now I have noticed that at times their signal is overdriving. That is to say that the music is distorted slightly. I've listened on different radios with the same result. Someone needs to run over there and turn some slider down on the board or something! About a month or two ago they actually had a local broadcast. It was at a furniture store that had a sale going on. They'd cut away from the Jones oldies service and do the remote which would be grossly distorted and then whenever they would cut back over to whoever was in the studio you could actually hear the woman in the studio talking to the guy on the remote!!! After they would cut back the music would be so distorted and overdriven that it wasn't listenable. I sat a small radio out and listened very low volume and then after a while you could hear what sounded like someone turning down some sliders on the mixing console because the sound evened out and became clear. I've noticed this distortion happen a lot with that station. Back to stereo. I don't know what station it was that I was receiving on 820 AM last night but I got a stereo light on it too. I never caught their calls. I am just glad that when the whole family gets together for another N. Myrtle Beach trip there will be at least one vehicle with AM Stereo in it along with us! That way we can at least pick ya up in Stereo when cruising around and out to dinner. Can't wait till we can get back down to NMB. I'll definitely take you up on the offer to come by the studios and pick up the receiver. Hope I can get a tour too! Thanks, I enjoyed reading your post. You and Susi take care! God Bless! -Kevin --- Norman wrote: > Kevin, > > As to your reception of the distant signals, it's > the "skywave" coming to you after reflecting off the > cooled atmosphere in the night hours. Both WLS and > WCBS broadcast with 50,000 watts so the reflected > skywave can be broad at times. > You can't get WNMB for two reasons. First, we are > only 500 watts. We protect a pre-existing station in > Rockingham, N.C. Second, we are directional with a > two tower array. 65% of our signal travels north. > The towers are located a few miles south of our city > of license, so the end result is a really good > signal that travels right through North Myrtle Beach > and it can be heard well in other areas to the north > of us. The southern part of our signal goes into > Myrtle Beach. We've gotten several dx reports over > the years primarily from areas north of us, and from > several ships at sea. > WLS, up until recently, and perhaps even now, has > been using its C-quam generator at night. The > station has enough signal to where in the past I > have gotten very good stereo from it on my walkman > and on the Sony SRF-a1000 portables. > Have a great day! > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kevin Bell > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 6:06 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Questions > > > Ok so I finally had my first taste of AM stereo. > Yes > I had heard it via the web but that really isn't > the > real thing. I've also heard the MP3's people have > of > stations recorded. Ok that said I i've been tuning > in > on my parents Chrysler Town and Country. It has > the 3 > band EQ, tape deck, cd deck, infinity speakers, > and > FM/AM Stereo radio. Yes all of it is factory. I > believe Chryslers radios still may have AM stereo. > > They sure haven't changed them much. My parents is > a > 1999 and I know they made that same radio up to > 2001. > The new one looks very similar only the controsl > are > in different places. I can see Chrysler placed > quite > an importance on AM stereo. I had always been a > con > of Chrysler products, mainly because no one in my > family had ever bought one. Mostly Chevy's and > Fords. > To my surprise Chrysler stereo systems are quite > good. Now on to my questions. I didn't have a > local > station to listen to so I had to go out to it > overnight and listen when the propogation is good. > > Finally I got something. It must have been a good > night for DX. I saw the ST (Stereo) light come on > for > the first time. I had started to believe that the > stereo did not have AM stereo until oila' ST > ligths > up! Well I think it was trying to receive several > stations at once. Heres the thing. I had a good > talk > station coming in with a solid mono vocal dead > center > and then the ST light comes on. Voice stays center > however I noticed that it seemed as though other > stations were trying to play along in the L and R > channels while the voice stayed solid good signal > mono. That was a wild effect. It had an almost > surround effect and I think that could be due to > platform motion, I've read about it. It is an > interesting phenomena. I was getting 820 AM and > 890 > AM with the ST light staying on strong. On 890 > it's > actually WLS from Chicago. I guess the stereo > signal > may have been coming through due to other stations > out > there. I don't think WLS broadcasts in stereo. Ok > so > heres a question finally! Why is it that I can > pull > in say 890 AM WLS and 880 WCBS from New York City > clearly yet I cannot pull in WNMB 900 AM Stereo > from > Myrtle Beach? I live in Greenville, South Carolina > and that baffles me because WNMB is much closer to > me > than WLS, WCBS, etc. I know that WLS is a clear > channel 50K station so perhaps that still has a > lot to > do with it. You would think though at night I > could > at least get some signal from Myrtle Beach which > is > just across the state. One thing I have noticed > about > AM stereo is the seperation. Of the things i've > heard > come in the seperation is so different from that > of > FM. FM is so overprocessed these days that it > messes > with the seperation in my humble opinion. FM > stations > sound overly bright at times. Almost sizzling the > highs. AM's seperation was almost wonderland like. > > It sure is different. I couldn't believe it. The > music that I did hear coming through had a natural > sound. It didn't sound so overly bright and > processed. I'm all for pure clean signal. I sat > there in the Town and Country and thought to > myself > "my God if AM stations were all stereo and allowed > to > broadcast out to 20khz I think they'd move FM off > the > dial". Call me crazy but I have a theory about > sound. > They say we lose our hearing as we age, well it > may > be true and then again it may not be so true, > LOL!! > For one thing I used to like everything bright and > treble wide open when I was younger. Now I prefer > a > more smooth sound, it just sounds harsh to my ears > sometimes! With that in mind I know that it's not > that I am losing it, perhaps I have too much high > end > hearing! Ha! I almost joined the navy a couple of > years ago but got cold feet. What I did learn from > that though was my medical told me that my > eyesight > was 20/20 and my hearing was impeccable! The lady > testing my hearing looked at me like I was crazy. > She > said "your hearing is incredible"! Maybe that's > why I > like to turn the treble down but why did I like > the > treble so high as young person? Makes no sense > guys! > ha! Anyway this stuff gets ahold of you and will > not > let you go! All this radio stuff, damn I can't > wait > till I start my classes next semester. I mean > don't > get me wrong I've always been a radio nut but now > I am > more than ever! I've actually missed the heck out > of > yall's posts this weekend. I know everyones been > busy > with their families and all but dang yall get some > posts going! It is 6:03 AM on sunday morning and I > can tell you that I am still getting WCBS 880 from > New > York on my Tivoli Model One radio loud and clear! > The > Tuned light is on! Oh yeah I almost forgot guys. I > wanted to send yall a link. I came in and got > online > to check some of these station ID's. I went over > to > WLS's site. Their engineer has really put up some > good reading on their site. Check it out here: > > http://www.wlsam.com/article.asp?id=129176 > > It is quite extensive and good reading for > listeners > to learn something about AM. Oh I'm going to shut > up. > Hope you guys had a good weekend. Mine has been > pretty good. Let me know what you think about my > rambling! Take care yall.. > > -Kevin > Greenville, SC > > > __________________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Nov 27 07:53:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42590 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2006 15:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2006 15:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2006 15:42:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 93837 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2006 13:53:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: y0i_5qEVM1mMofyulLKxrSB5InkFJ.wLardkgY39V_RJdTrF0bj.FkcoSMaRnQo3Tgym6Dp_UChuKEojEALbjhivX3NWUJUSOM5LGpZES.AuKX9vvUscMjHSPNfNyQ7uHizcbUFXClU- Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 05:53:35 PST Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 05:53:35 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <846180.85340.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re:Questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=pm8cMZe0CewpD6oC6GTL3OJ1rcMRKoA40VlTk_l89rrCxccQ7ft_m_4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Kevin wrote: "Why is it that I can pull in say 890 AM WLS and 880 WCBS from New York City clearly yet I cannot pull in WNMB 900 AM Stereo from Myrtle Beach?" Thanks to the joy (and sorrow) that is AM radio, you can get some nice long distance (DX) reception at night from the 50,000 watt clear channel (clear frequency - not the company) stations like WLS (who was in stereo the weekend of Nov 18-19), but unfortunately, WNMB doesn't (yet) have 50,000 watts of power. Bill would notice the increase in his electric bill if he did, although most of us on this list wish Bill was a WLW 500,000 watt superpower station of the 1930's! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Nov 27 08:37:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54487 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2006 16:30:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2006 16:30:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.30) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2006 16:30:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 64374 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2006 16:11:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20061127161108.64372.qmail@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: FFmbuLsVM1mfFRRrbaJ2TegUn53xQQEes9NMWUv28_GYaqDDjWz3pAa2Rh2qiPqXKISr5Z6YyHkepjwlAJohrMRde8ZnUokg4yEsBwZe_W8EJIgRp2pfLSfKWTTpfq_SEKDXZ9i30F50I499ujXh562aAUoC2GV4kb6HdQ_EHGgbOtU3jNXly_XoOA-- Received: from [74.226.219.151] by web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:11:04 PST Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:11:04 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <846180.85340.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.30 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:Questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=uQGjCRIJabaINuNOuI_JPyHbbVIey_tqw5AJGpkEEHqWhud4OKJE X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke John, Yes we all wish Bill was a 50K station! You just don't get any better than WNMB! You just feel like you know the folks and that they are down the road from you! I'm glad to say that I am a South Carolinian and we are fortunate to have a broadcaster like Bill in our state! In all seriousness I do wish more stations had that local feel. I think perhaps radio might have to return to that. People are getting tired of the same ole same ole. Radio Listeners are unique from that of TV viewers. Radio listeners have always wanted to feel as though they have a connection to that voice coming through the radio. To me radio is so much more magical. I've never been much of a TV person. Of course I watch it but when I do it's CNN, History Channel, Discovery, MSNBC, National Geographic, MTV, or my beloved TV Land! As you can see most of what I watch is either news, music, or educational. I really enjoy educational material. My love though is music, always has been and always will be. I love music and hi-fi. I can't wait to get back down to N. Myrtle Beach and get a stereo tuner so that I can also have my AM in stereo. When I make my trips to the beach I have an extra system I take. I keep the components in their original boxes. I take a receiver, set of bookshelf speakers, and a tape deck almost always! Vacation time to me isn't much without my music. Ok enough of my rambling, i'm prone to do that! Back to what you were saying. Yes I had heard that WLW I think it was had an extremely powerful transmitter years ago. Wasn't it that their signal could be heard all over the mainland US? Amazing. Hey speaking of stations. I wish someone would tell WCSZ 1070 to turn down a few sliders over their on their board. The signal is a little bit too hot. Someone over there runs that board a little high. That sure doesn't help clarity. It isn't as high as it was last night but dang they run that board hot. Sometimes it's bad. I tune off frequency up and down to try to compensate anything I can but it's no good sometimes. I just flipped this sony pocket radio on and right now it sounds ok. I want to say Sony makes a great little pocket radio the ICF-S10MK2. Pretty great sounding little hand held. Ok i'm through rambling. I just like to get the conversations warmed up and flowing. Take care guys. -Kevin --- "John P." wrote: > Kevin wrote: "Why is it that I can pull > in say 890 AM WLS and 880 WCBS from New York City > clearly yet I cannot pull in WNMB 900 AM Stereo from > Myrtle Beach?" > > Thanks to the joy (and sorrow) that is AM radio, you > can get some nice > long distance (DX) reception at night from the > 50,000 watt clear > channel (clear frequency - not the company) stations > like WLS (who was > in stereo the weekend of Nov 18-19), but > unfortunately, WNMB doesn't > (yet) have 50,000 watts of power. Bill would notice > the increase in > his electric bill if he did, although most of us on > this list wish Bill > was a WLW 500,000 watt superpower station of the > 1930's! > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Want to start your own business? > Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Nov 27 11:56:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51367 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2006 19:50:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2006 19:50:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.38) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2006 19:50:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 38219 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2006 16:14:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20061127161447.38217.qmail@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Qt8hs4sVM1nH5dDwHP58gcyOH1HoksKwBOWXE_ITArTr2tHaGIoe_DZePGnBZLmZd7AEb5P8dfYZLq1cy9SkKqNTm5dzptHFQwder3K2Hq9YqWNrIVzLwUjFkt8nv3fwc4eADgQ8xtjnoXjn3kQriZB1gENYpuz8n_twQTZf5xibitlkPRsT63NsXQ-- Received: from [74.226.219.151] by web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:14:47 PST Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:14:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Radio Randy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=bLUtEDYEbDq7Z--dP5nl3oh9W2H2P1Eyw5l7WiU2BGC88dW4FufV X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I just wanted to ask what's going on with Radio Randy on 1490? I think he needs to go back to CQUAM. That HD thing he's doing sounds horrible. That IBOC thing doesn't work. I get half the signal I used to get on him and it's noisy now. It sounded great when he had the CQUAM up and running. Perhaps if he is going to do HD there needs to be more adjustment and setup. All I can say is that the analogue signal is not good right now. Any ideas? -Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From droland66@yahoo.com Mon Nov 27 16:55:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3290 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2006 00:55:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2006 00:55:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.127) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2006 00:55:10 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2006 00:53:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2006 00:53:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2006 00:53:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 00:53:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20061123094153.90472.qmail@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.127 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 152.163.101.12 From: "david roland" Subject: Re: AM Ibiquity question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=l2nbAJHHUNRbB2aHLJ3JTcitnC5BFYvXOTr_u421pPZTEJwK X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 My question to Tom Ray is simple. For AM, why not just use the AMAX=20 standard and get broadcasters and electronics manufacturers to=20 support it again? I guess that just makes too much sense. david --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 wrote: > > Tom, >=20 > I appreciate your treatment on the subject. I > myself am a music and hi-fi enthusiast, i'm not a > broadcaster. I may be in the future though. I am > considering studying radio broadcasting at a local > college. I already have a bachelors degree (Clemson > Univ. Graduate) but it isn't related. I feel that > everything should be in stereo, at least when it comes > to music. I just don't understand that even with the > complexities of regulation on AM Stereo that it still > did not catch on. I know this is an AM stereo forum > and I hope that I didn't anger anyone bringing the > IBOC up, it was simply another chapter in radio that I > wanted to learn about if I am to be a future > broadcaster. I do not currently own any AM stereo > receivers but from what I understand of it and the > files i've heard, it is a decent format. At least > much better than standard mono AM. I would like to > see more broadcasters push the FCC to allow AM to at > least be on par and broadcast out to 15khz the way FM > is. I have no doubt that we have the technology and > many years of research and development to make both AM > and FM able to reproduce 20hz-20khz. I think that it > is possible without all those regulations. I simply > enjoy good stereo reproduction. I am somewhat old > school eventhough i'm only 32. I do not care for > MP3's or any compression technologies. I prefer the > real full quality product. I still buy CD's, LP's, > etc. MP3 players do fit a niche, mainly I can see > them being very good for say running or exercising.=20 > As a serious medium of stereo reproduction I don't > place much merit in those technologies. I do know > that most stations are now computerized, that is their > music is on hard drive and that does help the DJ and > make his job easier. As far as at home though give me > my CD's and LP's anyday! I'd also like to see more > emphasis placed on home stereo receivers versus so > much emphasis in the AM Stereo community being placed > on automobiles. I like good sound in a vehicle but it > always un-nerves me a bit when people have these > expensive car stereos but have crap for a system in a > home. I noticed about two years ago there were more > HD choices in home stereo receivers than now. It > seems as though manufactures of home stereo equipment > have pulled back somewhat. The Boston radios are ok > im sure but for me I'd rather it be through a full > home stereo system. I don't think a table radio would > quite do it for me. I very much support the AM stereo > community and i'd like to see more stations in stereo. > The main problem I see in this area though is the > lack of newly manufactured AM stereo receivers. I > know they are available but until they are available > in local stores in plentiful supply i'm not sure it > will have much resurgance except in niche groups like > ourselves. I just wrote this station that is using > the Kahn system. I asked what was the use? I mean > most of the radios that are around that have AM stereo > are Motorola CQUAM. I mean I know that you can take > two radios with the Kahn thing and tune one slightly > left and the other one slightly right of the frequency > and get a somewhat stereo sound but I mean who wants > to do that? > I'm a subscriber to XM and I am not completely > satisfied with them. Their content yes, their sound > quality not so much. The high end on XM isn't as > great as a modern FM station. At least on some > stations. It's hit and miss. The 60s and 90s > stations sound pretty good as does channel 76 which is > one of the surround channels. I talked with Phlash > Phelps of 60s on 6 on XM and he said they used MP2 > compression. At any rate I know my conversation is > all over the map. I just was curious about the IBOC > thing because I admit I don't know so much about it.=20 > I just don't see it catching on here in South Carolina > very much. I know of one station in the upstate that > broadcasts in it, thats it. I'd be glad to talk off > forum about radio in general. You may email me if you > wish. I'd be open to any suggestions, advice, etc to > someone starting out.=20=20 >=20 > -Kevin >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Tom Ray wrote: >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell > > =20 > > wrote: > > > > > > Question yall. The IBOC or Ibiguity HD AM. Is it > > in > > > Stereo or mono? I have read things where it says > > > "sounds like fm stereo" and yadda yadda. I know > > we > > > don't like to talk about it but if someone could > > just > > > clarify for me whether or not broadcasts on the HD > > AM > > > channels is in fact in stereo or not. That's all > > I > > > want to know about that format. And no I am not > > > running out to get HD, I could care less. I just > > > wanted to understand whether or not that was the > > case. > > > Thanks guys. > > >=20 > > > -Kevin > >=20 > > Hi Kevin: > >=20 > > Without all the hyperbole, the iBiquity system is > > stereo. We've=20 > > been running it for 4 years on WOR. > >=20 > > Some facts (and yes, I am a proponent - but I speak > > with facts and=20 > > from my experiences over a 4 year period where many > > others simply=20 > > offer commentary based on only their opinions. I > > have been involved=20 > > with much testing over the past 4 years and can > > offer insight gained=20 > > first hand....and you'll find that if I have a > > problem with=20 > > something, I state it, regardless of the fact that I > > support it.): > >=20 > > - The analog signal transmit with an HD signal can > > be either=20 > > frequency limited to 5kHz or 8kHz. The difference > > is in how an HD=20 > > receiver handles the HD decoding. The HD signal is > > much less robust=20 > > in 8K mode than 5K mode, as the radio must decode > > both sidebands=20 > > continuously in 8K mode to produce HD audio. In 5K > > mode, the radio=20 > > selects whichever sideband is better, and changes > > sidebands as=20 > > necessary. In many instances with most AM stations, > > the sidebands=20 > > as received at any given location are not identical > > in power for a=20 > > number of reasons.=20=20 > >=20 > > - I would dare say that the majority of AM radios > > produced and in=20 > > the hands of Joe Public (not necessarily the persons > > who frequent=20 > > this board - most members here have much better > > radios and make=20 > > their judgements based on wideband, which is not > > necessarily the=20 > > norm)cannot reproduce much more than 3-4kHz of audio > > bandwidth, so=20 > > limiting the trasmitted audio bandwidth to 5K is not > > necessarily=20 > > detrimental. If the processing is set up correctly, > > 5K can sound=20 > > quite good. Incidentally, under the older FCC > > regulations, AM=20 > > stations were required to prove only that they could > > pass up to=20 > > 5kHz. Anything above that was gravy. I know of > > many stations who=20 > > fed the transmitter with a 5K audio loop from Ma > > Bell - and no one=20 > > was complaining of 5K audio at that time. > >=20 > > - Yes, there are artifacts in the HD audio. It is a > > severely data=20 > > reduced medium (as are all Internet streams). That > > being said, they=20 > > are not the horror story most would have you > > believe. If the audio=20 > > and audio path at a given station are clean, the > > artifacts are=20 > > minimal and the HD audio sounds quite good. We > > constantly do=20 > > demonstrations of our HD audio - both on studio > > monitor speakers and=20 > > using headphones. I have yet to have anyone, > > whether from our=20 > > station or another station, or from the general > > public, say "yuck -=20 > > I won't listen to it". The AM HD can be quite > > impressive,=20 > > particularly with music. If the audio is handled > > correctly, the HD=20 > > will sound good. If it's not, it will sound pretty > > bad. If it is=20 > > overly processed, it will sound pretty bad. You > > can't get away with=20 > > some of the processing "techniques" that are used on > > analog on=20 > > HD...it will quickly become unlistenable. It's the > > garbage=20 > > in/garbage out theory, except in this case, the > > garbage can get=20 > > multiplied quickly due to the data reduction.=20=20 > > And I can tell if we air something that wasn't saved > > as a linear=20 > > file or are airing a spot that arrived as a low data > > rate MP3 - I=20 > > can hear the artifacts and that will generate a call > > from me to=20 > > Master Control about correcting the problem. Same > > if we are airing=20 > > a remote using MP3 rather than AAC coding...the MP3 > > ISDN link=20 > > produces a "halo" around the audio on the HD side, > > which is most=20 > > likely being enhanced by processing. > >=20 > > - HD coverage depends a lot on the radio. I have a > > Boston Acoustics=20 > > in my office. It works OK. I know of many that are > > deaf. I have=20 > > had three different car radios. One was decent for > > AM reception,=20 > > but the FM section was somewhat deaf. The one in my > > wife's car has=20 > > decent reception on both AM and FM, but the AM > > analog sounds like=20 > > doggy poo....it sounds like it's limited to 2K at > > the most and=20 > > distorts on high positive peaks. The Kenwood I'm > > presently using is=20 > > a very good radio. The analog AM sounds good. The > > sensitivity on=20 > > both AM and FM is very good. That being said, I > > live 50 miles from=20 > > the transmitter in the null. Once I get off the > > Thruway, I'm smack=20 > > dab in the middle of suburbia, in the null (maybe > > 4KW in that=20 > > direction), and it's noise central. Most times, I > > am lucky to hear=20 > > the analog decently. It is about 35-38 miles from > > the transmitter=20 > > to this point. I have an HD signal up to this point > > (hey...if=20 > > there's no RF, and you can't demod the analog, how > > are you going to=20 > > get the HD?). Up to about the 30 mile point, it is > > in stereo.=20=20 > > Going in the opposite direction, towards > > Philadelphia (that lobe is=20 > > 85KW), I can hold the HD to beyond the southern side > > of Philly, a=20 > > good 90 miles from the site. It holds in stereo to > > about 80-85=20 > > miles.=20=20 > >=20 > > - I received an email from someone in Indiana the > > other day. The=20 > > FCC allows us to run the HD from 6A to 6P during the > > winter months.=20=20 > > He sent me a picture of his Boston Acoustics radio, > > locked on WOR- > > HD, displaying our data, showing HD lock. It was > > 5:50PM Eastern=20 > > time. I thought that was really cool. If the > > conditions are right,=20 > > the HD will survive a long trek. > >=20 > > - You may ask "why bother with stereo for talk > > radio?". The same=20 > > argument can be made for C-Quam. Talk, in and of > > itself, is mono.=20=20 > > However, all of our effects, music bumpers and a > > good 85% of our=20 > > spots are in stereo. All of our in house promos are > > produced in=20 > > stereo. It adds a whole different dimension for the > > listener. > >=20 > > If you would care for additional information or > > would like to have a=20 > > discussion off line, please feel free to email me.=20=20 > >=20 > > Tom Ray > > VP/Corporate Director of Engineering > > Buckley Broadcasting/WOR Radio > > NYC > >=20 > >=20 > =3D=3D=3D message truncated =3D=3D=3D >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Want to start your own business? > Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon Nov 27 17:32:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76436 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2006 01:27:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2006 01:27:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2006 01:27:29 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.53]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 136233313 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:25:41 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <008501c7128c$7f52c240$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <106843.26313.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:28:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 1, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.53 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=hjztqgUYD_GG3u9oTJyFNyxPlczIC-9SEuCWmnkrk-nx2Ja4vCAx X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Probably WBAP out of Ft. Worth TX. Rather difficult to hear in cold country as we're pretty close to WCCO on 830. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" Back to stereo. I don't know what > station it was that I was receiving on 820 AM last > night but I got a stereo light on it too. I never > caught their calls. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Nov 27 17:49:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13422 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2006 01:39:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2006 01:39:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fall-pradero.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (207.69.195.104) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2006 01:39:30 -0000 Received: from dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net ([207.69.200.112]) by fall-pradero.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GoqJa-0002mg-Bo for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:55:10 -0500 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.194.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.194] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Goq1a-0005pB-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:36:34 -0500 Message-ID: <02ca01c7127c$df9420a0$c26c5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <20061127161447.38217.qmail@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:36:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.195.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Randy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=UaTPZYtD9HaHlWk_SmLOiQlZWcJkgXYKnwRaw3YKU9zwVjBvqzjSu3ax_taRtA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Here is the dirty little secret Ibiquity likes to sweep under the rug: On a Graveyard station such as 1490 WPCI, the HD-Radio signal won't even cover the City Of License in the Daytime, and with the interference at night, Even if HD-Radio is given Night authority, it will be worthless unless you are parked under the tower! To get any kind of usefull signal, they have to run HD-Radio in the worst form for Analog, so they are now limited to 5K audio and less than 98% modulation. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jimsmith@vfr.net Tue Nov 28 00:40:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80525 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2006 08:30:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2006 08:30:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.163) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2006 08:30:18 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n6.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2006 08:27:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2006 08:27:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2006 08:27:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:27:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <02ca01c7127c$df9420a0$c26c5b04@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.8.232.216 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: Radio Randy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=cJ_RnCoAD-zaN74scZ3fykZiAhYjSnOy0hfezFuJ3guDSTUlQfeYIA X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > Here is the dirty little secret Ibiquity likes to sweep under the=20 rug: > On a Graveyard station such as 1490 WPCI, the HD-Radio signal won't=20 even=20 > cover the City Of License in the Daytime, and with the interference=20 at=20 > night, Even if HD-Radio is given Night authority, it will be=20 worthless=20 > unless you are parked under the tower! To get any kind of usefull=20 signal,=20 > they have to run HD-Radio in the worst form for Analog, so they are=20 now=20 > limited to 5K audio and less than 98% modulation. >=20 > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a=20 mathematical=20 > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard=20 Kahn > Hi Gang Color me stuped but when or if HD RADIO gose full out and=20 there is a sunset on the analog side i would all most bet they will=20 turn the power up on the HD RADIO when or if thats the only thing on.=20 Like i said before i am no engineer so i may wrong but i would all=20 most bet on it if i was a beting man. Jim Smith From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 28 02:03:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12277 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2006 09:59:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2006 09:59:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp114.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.213) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2006 09:59:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 62732 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2006 09:59:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jim8wpwl0kyh37) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.8.232.216 with login) by smtp114.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2006 09:59:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: X7_eQsYVM1nJ_Eo693fuKkBOFjOOuzh.MEq5yIZS.tdM.Nr3wSK4PkX0WesK_.5N.5jt0LayeyBi6R1xbuGvETZpriWNS_gEJlaO.9eMQUHbZen8W0zY9w-- Message-ID: <000801c712d3$ecbf06d0$d50bfea9@jim8wpwl0kyh37> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 01:59:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.213 From: Subject: Snow on Mouse X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=5oZT2YT1QQrBQ3jZQ2pIGca3kimO7YJ3Ej_0uvYZHxB5ADy_6BtfaKnrLQlSRbpp7P5EwLz8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang It looks like Amy Mouse mite be getting some snow in the next day or so. I am just north west of Sacramento Ca in a town called Penryn Ca we are about 620 ft elv. Its clear 41*F at 2:00 am. I have been listening to KOMO AM 1000 from Seattle Wa via good old sky wave and thay are at 125 ft elv and there snow has been crazy and there trafic is just as bad if not worse. Where i live snow season dose not start till after Jan 1st but we may getting some soon. I thuohgt i give us some thing to talk about be sides AM RADIO. Good Morning all. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith@vfr.net Tue Nov 28 02:33:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14476 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2006 10:26:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2006 10:26:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11e.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.71) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2006 10:26:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2006 10:26:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2006 10:26:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 10:26:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000801c712d3$ecbf06d0$d50bfea9@jim8wpwl0kyh37> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.8.232.216 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: Snow on Mouse X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=3BuVhHdhdAxMKUg6DTrW7l-BdEZd2gzg2t3OA8WwTyXhTAaMb5mEig X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang It looks like Amy Mouse mite be getting some snow in the next=20 day or so. I am just north east not west of Sacramento Ca in a town=20 called Penryn Ca we are about 620 ft elv. Its clear 41*F at 2:00 am. I=20 have been listening to KOMO AM 1000 from Seattle Wa via good old sky=20 wave and thay are at 125 ft elv and there snow has been crazy and=20 there trafic is just as bad if not worse. Where i live snow season=20 dose not start till after Jan 1st but we may getting some soon. I=20 thuohgt i give us some thing to talk about be sides AM RADIO. Good=20 Morning all. Jim Smith P.S I am tired!!!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From tomray@wor710.com Tue Nov 28 10:24:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 911 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2006 18:13:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2006 18:13:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.109) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2006 18:13:19 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n12.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2006 18:08:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2006 18:08:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2006 18:08:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 18:08:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.109 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: AM Ibiquity question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=3toOQ3s2iDa_6eQ3PGl19ovYmwbD-2wQd2WxxLMxCoohzNfu X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "david roland" wrote: > > My question to Tom Ray is simple. For AM, why not just use the AMAX=20 > standard and get broadcasters and electronics manufacturers to=20 > support it again? I guess that just makes too much sense. >=20 > david >=20 And my answer is simple. If the electronics manufacturers don't and won't make radios that support it, then I'm simply banging my head against the wall. And if I break the sheetrock, I'm gonna have to patch it, and I HATE doing sheetrock work. Radios in and of themselves account for less than 3% of an electronics manufacturer's total sales in a given year (this has been told to me by Kenwood and Sony). When everything they are doing is going to a digital domain, why would they revert to an analog technology and older standard for a lousy 3%? While you and I can argue the merits of this and several other aspects of broadcasting, when it comes down to the almighty buck, neither you nor I will win. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Tue Nov 28 10:26:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22789 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2006 18:05:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2006 18:05:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2006 18:05:39 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2006 18:01:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2006 18:01:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2006 18:01:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 18:01:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <02ca01c7127c$df9420a0$c26c5b04@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Radio Randy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=8o-c1DkhtCfkDkWpiLWwmLNZjdbkvcUumkXxrQJ9YQ_Pummh X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > > Here is the dirty little secret Ibiquity likes to sweep under the rug: > On a Graveyard station such as 1490 WPCI, the HD-Radio signal won't even=20 > cover the City Of License in the Daytime, and with the interference at=20 > night, Even if HD-Radio is given Night authority, it will be worthless=20 > unless you are parked under the tower! To get any kind of usefull signal,=20 > they have to run HD-Radio in the worst form for Analog, so they are now=20 > limited to 5K audio and less than 98% modulation. First things first. Where is the COL in relation to the transmitter site? If the COL is located where the signal could be questionable anyway (ie, if this is one of those stations where the COL grew away from where the transmitter was originally placed), it may be entirely possible that the HD signal can't cover the COL. Additionally, if the antenna system isn't as efficient as it could be (ie, ground system deterioration, matching network not adjusted correctly, transmitter being used not capable of transmitting the HD signal with no data errors), this could also cause problems. It's not a "dirty little secret". The system specifications are public knowlege. If the station is operating correctly and up to snuff, the HD system, as installed, should meet the specs. And where did this "less than 98% modulation" come from? I purposely set up processors to hit 97% negative peaks so that I have a margin so I'm not clipping off the carrier by accident. WOR modulates -97%, +120% in plain old analog, and that modulation of the analog channel does not change when the HD goes on. If this station is modulating considerably less than 98%, they have something set up wrong. Tom Ray WOR From badeditpro@charter.net Tue Nov 28 12:20:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69098 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2006 20:09:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2006 20:09:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtao01.charter.net) (209.225.8.186) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2006 20:09:03 -0000 Received: from aa06.charter.net ([10.20.200.158]) by mtao01.charter.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20061128200300.SHNW1474.mtao01.charter.net@aa06.charter.net> for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:03:00 -0500 Received: from yourfd6nvjcer4 ([68.115.177.89]) by aa06.charter.net with SMTP id <20061128200300.NSQG1516.aa06.charter.net@yourfd6nvjcer4> for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:03:00 -0500 Message-ID: <003301c71328$39799f40$59b17344@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:03:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Chzlrs: 0 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.8.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: AM Stereo on the web... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=o1ofX0LqwjkCJr45dKxJnbXJAWhYVKxAA35oiLhezzH5JgiFfEwwYHTrZSij X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all, While you're wasting time on the web you may want to check this site out... The audio is a dead ringer for good AMS! I don't know what this guy is running for processing but it rocks. http://www.flashback40.com/ :) JC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Nov 28 13:55:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10687 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2006 21:42:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2006 21:42:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2006 21:42:17 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.187.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.187] helo=PossumHunter) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GpAeT-0004uZ-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:38:06 -0500 Message-ID: <025e01c71335$7d438580$bb6b5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:37:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio Randy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=3qCgjtXSTGpsnTVvhWGXDhc21iHeYNGpviPOIAtt_0YsHeWRK3hil_LTaSKG3g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: > First things first. Where is the COL in relation to the transmittersite? WPCI's transmitter is located in Downtown Greenville, in a Slum. It is next door to the park where Shoeless Joe Jackson used to play Baseball. > > If the COL is located where the signal could be questionable anyway (ie, > if this is one of those stations where the COL grew away from where the > transmitter was originally placed), it may be entirely possible that the > HD signal can't cover the COL. Due to co-channel interference, WPCI unstable in the Eastern part of Greenville, even in C-QUAM > > Additionally, if the antenna system isn't as efficient as it could be > (ie, ground system deterioration, matching network not adjusted correctly, > transmitter being used not capable of transmitting the HD signal with no > data errors), this could also cause problems. WPCI is using an experimental ground system that is made of 4 wires 1/4 Wave long suspended 25 feet above Earth. This gives MUCH better coverage than the old 120 1/4 Wave wires buried just below the surface did. WPCI's bugg-a-boo is not signal strength, it is horrible interference. Like I said WPCI is unstable on the East and North part of town, but at night when the skip is really cooking, WPCI has platform motion issues in C-QUAM mode even in Downtown Greenville less than a mile from the transmitter! Since the Digital sidebands are lower than the Analog component, it is only logical you would have to be in the Transmitter parking lot to hear HD-Radio at night. > > It's not a "dirty little secret". The system specifications are public > knowlege. Well maybe that was a poor choice of words. the specs can be found at http://www.nautel.com/Resources/Docs/Whitepapers/7_FCC_AM_Specs.pdf > >And where did this "less than 98% modulation" come from? It was a post a LONG time ago by you or Kerry. I see the specs says you can modulate full to the limits defined by Title 47 CFR 73.1570 Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 28 18:05:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95761 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2006 01:56:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2006 01:56:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2006 01:56:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 32617 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Nov 2006 18:49:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20061128184913.32615.qmail@web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: h8fEMUIVM1kUQSxAYaCMQDfR4VgvtMwCeDxO1aXIsz5AJUdIZ2i_3REgAfqlIXJL76vyakD6E33WUDOD.JnRwIVfcw.59cqq1IyA1t7T0PoybE1FbN3NbxC9r8Lo9eYOMAV_vy9HMQw65Hxw6KVyml835iZTOUSmmibzsRk1Z4Mo83ZfwMxBfA-- Received: from [74.226.219.151] by web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 10:49:13 PST Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 10:49:13 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Ibiquity question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=t6Me8qWOcR0CcQHx2g6CKHDeHZfD1B-xfhngdDGopTP_lbB_75Wt X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I don't see why whenever the standard was created by the FCC (Motorola CQUAM) that all radios manufactured from that point on were AM Stereo. It just makes good sense. To me it seems as though the electronics industry wasn't supporting it on the consumer end. Why there aren't radios readily available with AMAX certified CQUAM is beyond me. I think once the standard was set that the electronics industry fell down on the job and simply didn't push it enough. The market needed to be flooded for a few years with AM Stereo so that consumers had the chance to really discover it. Joe Consumer usually isn't as savvy as most of us. Now no I am not in broadcasting but I know my electronics. I just think these manufacturing companies fell down on the job. It's like I argued with this guy who broadcasts in Kahn ISB stereo. I asked him why? I mean when the AM Stereo radios that were made were made to the CQUAM standard. His response was "It simply sounds better" . I was like "how when there are no radios to receive it?". Haa! CQUAM could have been really good had the electronics industry flooded the market with readily available radios with the feature on them. I think if it had caught on that there would have been further development and refinements in the systems. I have no doubt that if things had caught on that now the CQUAM would be pretty dang good cause it would have been further developed. Oh on another note. Someone from WCSZ 1070 must follow this forum. They have turned some sliders down and the station is sounding good today! I actually heard someone screwing with them this morning. It would get loud and distored and then they'd back them down and it would clear up. Right now it's sounding pretty good. On this mono wood table AM/FM radio WCSZ today is sounding as good as the FM side on it. Now if they'll just keep it that way. At one point I actually heard the high end (treble) increase so someone was over there adjusting some things. This is the best i've heard it. I hope they'll leave it alone now! Hey Tom I wrote you off list, did you get it? Ok guys yall take care! -Kevin Greenville, SC --- Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "david roland" > > wrote: > > > > My question to Tom Ray is simple. For AM, why not > just use the AMAX > > standard and get broadcasters and electronics > manufacturers to > > support it again? I guess that just makes too > much sense. > > > > david > > > > > And my answer is simple. If the electronics > manufacturers don't and > won't make radios that support it, then I'm simply > banging my head > against the wall. And if I break the sheetrock, I'm > gonna have to > patch it, and I HATE doing sheetrock work. > > Radios in and of themselves account for less than 3% > of an electronics > manufacturer's total sales in a given year (this has > been told to me > by Kenwood and Sony). When everything they are > doing is going to a > digital domain, why would they revert to an analog > technology and > older standard for a lousy 3%? While you and I can > argue the merits > of this and several other aspects of broadcasting, > when it comes down > to the almighty buck, neither you nor I will win. > > Tom Ray > WOR > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue Nov 28 18:43:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89374 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2006 02:36:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2006 02:36:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2006 02:36:14 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.223]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 136478943 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:34:28 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <005401c7135f$470e7860$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20061128184913.32615.qmail@web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:37:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.223 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Ibiquity question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=mF2f5ZDVDZhC4zHpzsSVXok9tYuXwgfmW-znV-IKUryMYTr15gMW X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It would have taken an FCC mandate. The TV manufacturers didn't include UHF tuners out of the goodness of their hearts, they were forced to. I think the difference may have been that UHF TV stations banded together whereas AM stereo stations didn't. Even if they had, by the time the standard was (again) set, the FCC was in no mood to mandate anything. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" > I don't see why whenever the standard was created by > the FCC (Motorola CQUAM) that all radios manufactured > from that point on were AM Stereo. It just makes good > sense. To me it seems as though the electronics > industry wasn't supporting it on the consumer end. > Why there aren't radios readily available with AMAX > certified CQUAM is beyond me. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Nov 29 06:46:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77656 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2006 14:45:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2006 14:45:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2006 14:45:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 11776 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2006 14:45:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: B_akv2YVM1lRFEHVMz.Ia_PzxBxOMuWxHCLMzVUNXkXSHtlUiRfFkgzcUFpjU_ZzTv2C7W_r3zKTchP8jKNRAtn7RLnvawXCsy9PvwLd6kqwJGm0YNagpvL..BezZW8y05FR3xgpd10- Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 06:45:26 PST Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 06:45:26 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <843970.11439.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: AM Ibiquity question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=sFXJyKdBI1ssca9588yKQXOWCn6vbLsVRY0FlfihlBq_LZw_Brkuv9Y X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Kevin Bell wrote: " It's like I argued with this guy who broadcasts in Kahn ISB stereo. I asked him why?" KB: there are radios that will decode the Kahn, made by Sony. In fact, there are about a half-dozen Sony home A-V stereo receivers (mostly sold in Canada - that's where I got mine) that decode all 4 AM stereo modes, and even have an indicator and nice wide bandwidth in stereo mode. The Sony SRF-A1 and SRF-A100 both decode Kahn, but only have a tuning idiot light, not a true stereo light. The MetroSound car AM stereo converter has a pushbutton to decode the Kahn system, but it too has just the idiot light for tuing. So, there are ways, other than the two identical radios, one tuned above and one tuned slightly below the carrier, to decode Kahn stereo. PS: Speaking of the Wrath of Kahn, Ricardo Montalban had a birthday this past week! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Nov 29 07:15:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62927 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2006 15:09:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2006 15:09:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.28) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2006 15:09:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 35618 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2006 14:55:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: jcGbbrwVM1l5nwQ4BjVNwgU39m_t0Je7jRJ0SCbw0Z8_c9cqilH6Z3y2vCstvH0b001hccRM_xO9lhVLXhVBk_uB8hKd7c6BCw9UsazH6fUpw1MfhJ7tZK_3acDe96h5Myrqm.UQ Received: from [74.226.219.151] by web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 06:55:36 PST Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 06:55:36 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <843970.11439.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <520683.33821.qm@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Ibiquity question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=G-mENOCxZgKPWw4bljdce-RySgCXpHGQ8sch_MHBPzjC1nztj38P X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke John, I appreciate the information, hey tell me where you are finding these receivers for sale in canada. I really with home receivers were offered with AM stereo. Ha old Kahn!! You gotta love that movie. I'm a trekkie so I have all three seasons of the original series from the 60s. I never really liked the next generation, the ship and most of the space scenes in it looked to fake, all that computer generated stuff. I prefer the older ones where they filmed actual models of the ships. Anyway yeak old Ricardo did a great Kahn. I think they played that movie about a week ago on TV Land. TV Land has started showing the original series and it's about time! They had every other classic show on there, i'm glad star trek finally made it! Hey if you get a chance send me some links to some of these places in canada where you are seeing the stereo radios. I am sure many others on this list would like those links as well. Thanks and take care John. -Kevin --- "John P." wrote: > Kevin Bell wrote: " It's like I argued with this guy > who broadcasts in > Kahn ISB stereo. I asked him why?" > > KB: there are radios that will decode the Kahn, made > by Sony. In fact, > there are about a half-dozen Sony home A-V stereo > receivers (mostly > sold in Canada - that's where I got mine) that > decode all 4 AM stereo > modes, and even have an indicator and nice wide > bandwidth in stereo > mode. The Sony SRF-A1 and SRF-A100 both decode > Kahn, but only have a > tuning idiot light, not a true stereo light. The > MetroSound car AM > stereo converter has a pushbutton to decode the Kahn > system, but it too > has just the idiot light for tuing. So, there are > ways, other than the > two identical radios, one tuned above and one tuned > slightly below the > carrier, to decode Kahn stereo. > > PS: Speaking of the Wrath of Kahn, Ricardo Montalban > had a birthday > this past week! > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! 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Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From tomray@wor710.com Wed Nov 29 09:11:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3587 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2006 17:08:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2006 17:08:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.22) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2006 17:08:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2006 17:07:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2006 17:07:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:07:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20061128184913.32615.qmail@web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.22 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: AM Ibiquity question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=dtAmXx1LdTgfll0DvGp4eQ_v10gM1RyKnKirW4gItW25asR1 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 wrote: Hey Tom I wrote you off > list, did you get it? Ok guys yall take care! >=20 > -Kevin > Greenville, SC >=20 Hi Kevin: I did. I was tied up near the end of the weekend, and now that we're=20 into the week, by the time I get home, have dinner and do things=20 around the house, it's time for bed. Gotta love that NY traffic! I'll answer you by the weekend. TR From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Nov 29 09:46:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25612 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2006 17:41:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2006 17:41:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.26) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2006 17:41:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 88975 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2006 17:13:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20061129171317.88973.qmail@web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: JFlq8bMVM1mBuMtB0l4Mba_1tMpAqwLt6tYZbbBa Received: from [74.226.219.151] by web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 09:13:17 PST Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 09:13:17 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Ibiquity question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=mwZ5DiNyX0bEqoxBSaLb-BSckdNtlYqHMGvgXX3tzL-GHPEXjuTm X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Tom, No problem, I understand. Just wanted to make sure you were still out there! Take care and God Bless. -Kevin --- Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell > > wrote: > Hey Tom I wrote you off > > list, did you get it? Ok guys yall take care! > > > > -Kevin > > Greenville, SC > > > > Hi Kevin: > > I did. I was tied up near the end of the weekend, > and now that we're > into the week, by the time I get home, have dinner > and do things > around the house, it's time for bed. Gotta love > that NY traffic! > > I'll answer you by the weekend. > > TR > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Nov 29 09:49:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5324 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2006 17:43:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2006 17:43:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2006 17:43:06 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.50]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 136653988 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:33:18 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c713dc$d8bdd1c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:35:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 1, in=7, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.50 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Ibiquity question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=yL4SH61_u_JIC-rwk6Tqh78MYWp0IclGRS2gewtVkcGKqOKjR1T2 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I feel for ya. Things aren't much better for me either. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ray" To: by the time I get home, have dinner and do things > around the house, it's time for bed. Gotta love that NY traffic! > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Nov 29 10:15:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93345 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2006 18:04:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2006 18:04:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2006 18:04:44 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.50]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 135990984 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:28:14 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c713dc$233d47e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20061128184913.32615.qmail@web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <005401c7135f$470e7860$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:30:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=5, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.50 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Ibiquity question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=aX8dhI170xbwKNDJ46lvUBpNQUBk9P_jU_cbL2DORG9fLBOK-gLu X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Come to think of it, a better explanation would be by that time the FCC had become too much of a paper tiger to mandate anything. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" I think > the difference may have been that UHF TV stations banded together whereas AM > stereo stations didn't. Even if they had, by the time the standard was > (again) set, the FCC was in no mood to mandate anything. > From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Nov 29 10:46:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99764 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2006 18:38:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2006 18:38:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.33) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2006 18:38:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 23524 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2006 18:16:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: SgNGUkoVM1myv6HzsY1qgpaD1KWxA06Vb_dly_WtBfkpSgUY0AT8q_RJuRBFrbvVDiOOuRm1lCGj5Ni.hQvo_sIjejY3KK_GS_rg2oKxXUbCz.vCL_1EaxB1yUXKfJibD2rx72Up Received: from [74.226.219.151] by web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:16:33 PST Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:16:33 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <242645.22232.qm@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Outdoor AM Antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=jOOBTIo0B6pxKvYS-TLbt5mr1LWTCxZlTgbCwYK2y1ROpALy5IYW X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Guys what is the best outdoor antenna for AM? Something you can put up on the pole with your FM antenna. Any ideas? -Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Nov 29 12:56:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48520 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2006 20:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2006 20:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2006 20:48:11 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.51.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.51] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GpWCt-0002iA-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:39:04 -0500 Message-ID: <023001c713f6$683c3fd0$336b5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <242645.22232.qm@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:39:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Outdoor AM Antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=lvgE0gb0mj-osNkhfmjQNv2Q0OlrCcspvOtMDBCGMeFcw6LqbWQTe_CDTb4BmQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 How much land do yu have to work with? The best resonabley sized antenna is the tuned open core loop. Best performance PERIOD is from a full length Beverage Antenna. One GREAT antenna is the Alpha-Delta DX-SWL Sloper antenna. It is only 60 Feet long, but gives GREAT performance on AM Broadcast, as well as the Short-Wave bands. With a tuner, it can be used with up to 2KW of transmit power. I like mine anyway. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 1:16 PM Subject: {AMSF} Outdoor AM Antenna > Guys what is the best outdoor antenna for AM? > Something you can put up on the pole with your FM > antenna. Any ideas? > > -Kevin > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Nov 29 14:23:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 281 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2006 22:12:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2006 22:12:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.33) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2006 22:12:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 68012 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2006 20:59:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Nnus89gVM1lfIa_oDFoG_8n_Z83T5Agj9SHURs0dqTqoe47YQChegXjr4HlbMh0aXypekuOVMcSFmuExYwMoArzYoIAlS6oaHwvjfVIl8vNCoB4.9VNRd3GdyKAZnuuQf.mllK1Y Received: from [74.226.219.151] by web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:59:55 PST Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:59:55 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <023001c713f6$683c3fd0$336b5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <584257.67891.qm@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.33 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Outdoor AM Antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=ODMZJbwDGs0Sd4tySUXJJ-WB8caOpX84ubtjmosURtGnA2A7TmEZ X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Kevin, I'm not looking for something too awfully big. I have an FM antenna, it's a rat shack one and its up on a mast. I was thinking something that size. I know you are familiar with it because it's the only FM one they offer. I think its a 100 mile range. -Kevin --- Possum Hunter wrote: > How much land do yu have to work with? > > The best resonabley sized antenna is the tuned open > core loop. Best > performance PERIOD is from a full length Beverage > Antenna. > > One GREAT antenna is the Alpha-Delta DX-SWL Sloper > antenna. It is only 60 > Feet long, but gives GREAT performance on AM > Broadcast, as well as the > Short-Wave bands. With a tuner, it can be used with > up to 2KW of transmit > power. I like mine anyway. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Bell" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 1:16 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Outdoor AM Antenna > > > > Guys what is the best outdoor antenna for AM? > > Something you can put up on the pole with your FM > > antenna. Any ideas? > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail > beta. > > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From badeditpro@charter.net Wed Nov 29 14:53:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18657 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2006 22:47:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2006 22:47:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtao02.charter.net) (209.225.8.187) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2006 22:47:17 -0000 Received: from aa08.charter.net ([10.20.200.160]) by mtao02.charter.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20061129224702.KSCG1518.mtao02.charter.net@aa08.charter.net> for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:47:02 -0500 Received: from yourfd6nvjcer4 ([68.115.177.89]) by aa08.charter.net with SMTP id <20061129224702.LDWM12676.aa08.charter.net@yourfd6nvjcer4> for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:47:02 -0500 Message-ID: <000801c71408$4e6a6d40$59b17344@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:47:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Chzlrs: 0 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.8.187 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: Re: Outdoor AM Antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=1K2Ejxl64PNGfeQ7_Dr_fYbZbh3HdMhxsvHqw56GlgXMSnKBEs9oK2EONFP9 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, Here is a quick and dirty way to get more RF into your AM rig... If it has a loop antenna that you have to connect to the back of the radio you can simply get a length of wire and run it into the radio along with the '+' side of the loop. Take that wire and hang it outside a window. Run it out to a tree or an out building and tack it up high enough to be out of the way. I've used a rig like that with pretty good results. You may have to play around with it to optimize reception of the stations you are trying to pull in. The longer the wire the better but any extra wire going outside will really increase what you can here. If putting your wire outside is not an option, you could try running it neatly along the ceiling in a hallway but be careful not to run it in parallel to any power lines as you may end up picking up a lot of buzz and hum off of them. If you have no loop antenna at all, you can run your long wire connected up to the '+' terminal and then run a ground wire down to a ground rod connected to the '-' terminal on the radio. You can get ground rods premade or use a 6 foot length of copper pipe. Drive it into the ground and drill a whole in the side of the pipe near the top where you can insert a screw. You can just wrap the wire around the screw and tighten it up for testing but soldering the wire in place once you get setup will ensure a solid and durable ground connection. I used to run a setup like that with a Realistic TM-152 C-QUAM radio and I got very reliable reception of local and DX stations. Feel free to play around with it. Antennas are fun! Anything from a gutter spout to an old bed springs can work quite well.... :) Joe Collins [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Nov 29 16:59:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20114 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2006 00:51:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2006 00:51:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52211.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.134) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2006 00:51:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 15086 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2006 00:50:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MKtcWEIVM1mGKMJlNqLA5dBZ1OR4Bwdaot43UaQ9xB5h3Pqi1wNVeH8FGSbahPecw.vSutihMnnjdydbOGKoWl2BYWTxRYgPDSa2QlXfzUwAlCWDsvNVkFzyB8.bXJQq9k8yR5evyySyB8U- Received: from [12.76.217.143] by web52211.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:50:19 PST Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:50:19 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <023001c713f6$683c3fd0$336b5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <664713.14980.qm@web52211.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.134 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Outdoor AM Antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=QXH7PfFvSL4Sig-rW-vbp18AdIGjbR3j67frI4J5Q58 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > How much land do yu have to work with? > > The best resonabley sized antenna is the tuned open > core loop. Best > performance PERIOD is from a full length Beverage > Antenna. > > One GREAT antenna is the Alpha-Delta DX-SWL Sloper > antenna. It is only 60 > Feet long, but gives GREAT performance on AM > Broadcast, as well as the > Short-Wave bands. With a tuner, it can be used with > up to 2KW of transmit > power. I like mine anyway. And then, your radio must be capable of handling ANY external antenna. Powell NNNN! From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Nov 29 17:20:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30064 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2006 01:11:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2006 01:11:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtai10.cox.net) (68.230.241.49) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2006 01:11:37 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061130005237.MZUN4817.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:52:37 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id sosm1V00E2DrW980000000; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:52:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <520683.33821.qm@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <520683.33821.qm@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <02A1D57F-12E2-45D2-BA5B-C1AA0AA5F78A@cox.net> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:52:37 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Ibiquity question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=pXdk6D7Nx-9AzRXCVupZ_wu26_7aLSGRAnuTaOFW2sysYMnYatt94EKY1ZoZ X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit About 10-15 years ago. On Nov 29, 2006, at 6:55 AM, Kevin Bell wrote: > I appreciate the information, hey tell me where you > are finding these receivers for sale in canada. I > really with home receivers were offered with AM > stereo. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Nov 29 17:25:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52093 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2006 01:18:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2006 01:18:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2006 01:18:06 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.235.93.118.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.235.93.118] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GpaYp-000285-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:18:00 -0500 Message-ID: <036b01c7141d$5f674900$336b5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <664713.14980.qm@web52211.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:17:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Outdoor AM Antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=2Mv60zSX-wIOYOCjbMoQYaRDfjhX0C1gFxYVH0qWg3rYVrMEiPJLnJT3pZgCqA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > And then, your radio must be capable of handling ANY external antenna. My Antenna Tuner is! LOL Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Nov 29 18:05:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96308 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2006 01:58:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2006 01:58:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fall-pradero.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (207.69.195.104) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2006 01:58:12 -0000 Received: from dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net ([207.69.200.112]) by fall-pradero.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GpZpS-0004Y3-23 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:31:06 -0500 Received: from dialup-4.235.93.118.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.235.93.118] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GpZXJ-0000y7-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:12:22 -0500 Message-ID: <02d701c71414$34397270$336b5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <584257.67891.qm@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:12:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.195.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Outdoor AM Antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=UyQCt5hF-2L3GwVmcpbNpXRCl65WEAISOrJErbrKXPAyybJzt8sEJugCN9wYOA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 About a 4 foot tuned loop will be as good as it gets for you. You would be amazed at the DX I have nabbed with the loop, so it is worth building. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 3:59 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Outdoor AM Antenna > Kevin, > > I'm not looking for something too awfully big. I have > an FM antenna, it's a rat shack one and its up on a > mast. I was thinking something that size. I know you > are familiar with it because it's the only FM one they > offer. I think its a 100 mile range. > > -Kevin > > > --- Possum Hunter wrote: > >> How much land do yu have to work with? >> >> The best resonabley sized antenna is the tuned open >> core loop. Best >> performance PERIOD is from a full length Beverage >> Antenna. >> >> One GREAT antenna is the Alpha-Delta DX-SWL Sloper >> antenna. It is only 60 >> Feet long, but gives GREAT performance on AM >> Broadcast, as well as the >> Short-Wave bands. With a tuner, it can be used with >> up to 2KW of transmit >> power. I like mine anyway. >> >> Kevin in The Ocala National Forest >> There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. >> From a mathematical >> standpoint, AM does better in frequency response >> than FM. - Leonard Kahn >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kevin Bell" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 1:16 PM >> Subject: {AMSF} Outdoor AM Antenna >> >> >> > Guys what is the best outdoor antenna for AM? >> > Something you can put up on the pole with your FM >> > antenna. Any ideas? >> > >> > -Kevin >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ____________________________________________________________________________________ >> > Do you Yahoo!? >> > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail >> beta. >> > http://new.mail.yahoo.com >> > >> > >> > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >> > Yahoo! Groups Links >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Nov 29 18:06:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66357 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2006 01:57:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2006 01:57:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52211.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2006 01:57:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 41206 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2006 01:56:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .ANvpXYVM1maX1cqFOdI4iYlbIeIq2YNfLiMHIF3UT6NPwY9k4xFFRkzVEcyd7K6dXVn9wKdHIKGBxnZSqV1HikYKIRs8FkCrZzcIBv5yJdjAfFA76kDpv7GR8uOsTyW1c.HnClh.vs47Js- Received: from [12.76.217.134] by web52211.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:56:43 PST Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:56:43 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <036b01c7141d$5f674900$336b5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <775725.40426.qm@web52211.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.134 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Outdoor AM Antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=gVgszvkAhAcATNOlOZg0EmZ6qjFixoqT41tiuORtSaM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > And then, your radio must be capable of handling > ANY external antenna. > My Antenna Tuner is! LOL Didn't mean that. A lot of consumer stuff can't handle any external antenna very well. The AM section cost about 50 cents to manufacture.... Ah, when I get moved in[at Silverstreet, SC ] , will you come climb that 70 foot Pine tree for my antenna to go in? Powell NNNN! From droland66@yahoo.com Wed Nov 29 19:06:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82377 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2006 02:53:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2006 02:53:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.116) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2006 02:53:35 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2006 02:52:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2006 02:52:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2006 02:52:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 02:52:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <846180.85340.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.116 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.62.179.16 From: "david roland" Subject: Re:Questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=5M6n0orEA8a6SgNhPcH7XZSDCQScFaeAfCpMD947ods5dxTg X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 Just curious, was the WLW 500,000 watt signal able to be decoded on=20 the other side of the world? that's a huge signal! i remember when=20 i lived in cincinnati reading an article in the Enquirer about how=20 the signal caused metal barn roofs to resonate. people picked up=20 the station in their teeth fillings. there were a lot of funny=20 stories. david --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > Kevin wrote: "Why is it that I can pull > in say 890 AM WLS and 880 WCBS from New York City > clearly yet I cannot pull in WNMB 900 AM Stereo from > Myrtle Beach?" >=20 > Thanks to the joy (and sorrow) that is AM radio, you can get some=20 nice > long distance (DX) reception at night from the 50,000 watt clear > channel (clear frequency - not the company) stations like WLS (who=20 was > in stereo the weekend of Nov 18-19), but unfortunately, WNMB=20 doesn't > (yet) have 50,000 watts of power. Bill would notice the increase=20 in > his electric bill if he did, although most of us on this list wish=20 Bill > was a WLW 500,000 watt superpower station of the 1930's! >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 _____________________________________________________________________ _______________ > Want to start your own business? > Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index > From kjones_731@yahoo.com Wed Nov 29 19:23:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kjones_731@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10686 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2006 03:20:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2006 03:20:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web81911.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.190) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2006 03:19:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 12623 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2006 03:13:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: NwI5b6sVM1l9RevgNTtJKfdnfXdmeo73Z5T7D_jgVzjLLZzJ1tNVvcNAPtAQukoyNFohKoDRDe9_kkGfTijUhnnwTksBQqKkeNVUx8Eoe6_tPR2jb4GMdDSh5_bhCBTJXbV7dK36CV6y6g-- Received: from [69.223.182.129] by web81911.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:13:11 PST Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:13:11 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <02d701c71414$34397270$336b5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <783048.12311.qm@web81911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kirk Jones Subject: Re: {AMSF} Outdoor AM Antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=58737040; y=d5xUp_S-DSDM2xveYKS1M4b_SgXpzjF0ytRfbIFMe1gxImvybQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kjones_731 I have a c crane twin coil ferrite am antenna. They run about $100 and it works as well as a select-a-tenna but you can put it outside and get a reduced noise level. Iam sure it has some directivity where you can null out some signals like a loop, but I havn't tried it. Kirk From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Nov 29 20:26:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28112 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2006 04:19:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2006 04:19:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.108) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2006 04:19:25 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n11.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2006 04:18:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2006 04:18:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2006 04:18:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 04:18:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.108 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.250.43.101 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Mystery signal on 1610 kHz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=IUoGQjY0E0rvWKMuCVJAJSz5Eg9onSKoNaV2XGg2KrpUlnkgeA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Last night and tonight, many people have reported hearing a strong=20 signal on 1610 kHz AM, with a constant 1 kHz audio tone, possibly=20 coming from somewhere in the Northeast USA. DXers have heard it all=20 across North America, and here in NJ, it is coming in very loud in an=20 ENE / WSW direction. Sorry, no C-Quam pilot tone. So if anyone here is hearing this signal, please report your findings=20 here, including where you are and in which direction the signal is=20 the strongest. If you're in Western Europe (i.e. UK / Ireland), it=20 might be worth a shot, too! From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Wed Nov 29 20:49:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59900 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2006 04:44:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2006 04:44:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.119) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2006 04:44:07 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2006 04:43:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2006 04:43:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2006 04:43:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 04:43:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.119 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.146.6.170 From: "Juan" Subject: Re: Mystery signal on 1610 kHz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=drtNL44QZt51M6fRP-h_mPQFKHM_e3q8T3QdnXG2Rqxl0a0 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Last night and tonight, many people have reported hearing a strong=20 > signal on 1610 kHz AM, with a constant 1 kHz audio tone, possibly=20 > coming from somewhere in the Northeast USA. DXers have heard it all=20 > across North America, and here in NJ, it is coming in very loud in an=20 > ENE / WSW direction. Sorry, no C-Quam pilot tone. >=20 > So if anyone here is hearing this signal, please report your findings=20 > here, including where you are and in which direction the signal is=20 > the strongest. If you're in Western Europe (i.e. UK / Ireland), it=20 > might be worth a shot, too! > I have had trouble nulling the "mystery" signal. Best as I can tell=20 tonight, I am getting a null slightly East of due North, and slightly=20 West of due South. Juan Ft. Pierce, FL S7 Signal here From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Nov 29 23:55:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24473 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2006 07:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2006 07:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52201.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.124) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2006 07:45:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 47566 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2006 07:43:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: EFhlQC8VM1mEV7KqmQfngQnU2a24UHANbHeMP6efHjPU69kRU8FqrlRFoOq9Jj5sW5MnJado0dOMZfJ6AG4xMyZVOZSn1tgzSaRrrh6aXoK7UbcJomr8zo5UCYWR_v6mHBt3VEPvw35cf4M- Received: from [12.76.216.182] by web52201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:43:24 PST Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:43:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <849788.45330.qm@web52201.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.124 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:Questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=ksCTYKo1LyCkTP-GHoyxcEaG0xkM_3l9ZPK_XIeQcCU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- david roland wrote: > Just curious, was the WLW 500,000 watt signal able > to be decoded on > the other side of the world? No. > that's a huge signal! close in it is. The ground wave reception doesn't get out as far as you'd imagine. > i remember when > i lived in cincinnati reading an article in the > Enquirer about how > the signal caused metal barn roofs to resonate. > people picked up > the station in their teeth fillings. there were a > lot of funny > stories. Yes close in it did. VERY close in. Powell NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Nov 30 01:40:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40771 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2006 09:33:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2006 09:33:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52215.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.138) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2006 09:33:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 66614 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2006 07:45:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rBShXrYVM1krE5_Yt1KcZReTu1ZjoI47n6a8wLJgv9TQLRcGee7QE5_0JwPQCG3HlOYgymqw8c8nQiu0EbE2kga.Ki2ppK_l7bvZI04qReaqm5pY5H0KTrYhBGwlV_GWgVZ4UrGqqTHJ.y0- Received: from [12.76.216.182] by web52215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:45:38 PST Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:45:38 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <96255.66485.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mystery signal on 1610 kHz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=ZpbxZQWR-WWdSJCrJFRbfuIC0VQTH0ib6crWKHDBCec X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > Last night and tonight, many people have reported > hearing a strong > signal on 1610 kHz AM, with a constant 1 kHz audio > tone, possibly > coming from somewhere in the Northeast USA. DXers > have heard it all > across North America, and here in NJ, it is coming > in very loud in an > ENE / WSW direction. Sorry, no C-Quam pilot tone. > > So if anyone here is hearing this signal, please > report your findings > here, including where you are and in which direction > the signal is > the strongest. If you're in Western Europe (i.e. UK > / Ireland), it > might be worth a shot, too! It's not Kintronics testing, they were called. A call and email is in to LBA. It's likely not them. From someone who knows, it may be the military testing antenna set ups. Calls are in to find out. Powell NNNN! From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu Nov 30 05:15:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36806 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2006 13:09:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2006 13:09:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2006 13:09:29 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2006 13:07:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2006 13:07:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2006 13:07:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:07:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 142.176.20.3 From: "Phil" Subject: WOR loud and clear X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723; y=2WLcZAxhDvVe3yzhc5yT0Ba7oLl7Zt99NL7vS9OFLTcZscDUaes4 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking I'd just like to pass along that since the new transmitter site has=20 been put in operation, WOR's nighttime skywave signal into PEI=20 Canada has improved dramatically. Even when 720 CHTN [a now dark=20 local] was on the air, WOR was coming in amazingly well, although it=20 took a very selective receiver, such as my 1955 Collins R-390A, to=20 do the job. The improvement over the old site was BIG BIG BIG! Now that 720 CHTN-AM is dark [having flipped to FM as 100.3 CHTN-FM]=20 WOR's signal is very good on an ordinary car stereo, a small=20 multiband portable etc. On the R-390A, when I open up the bandwidth, the sound on WOR is=20 pretty good. The bandwidth is restricted somewhat at the source,=20 but it is fully reasonable for a talk station. Audio quality in=20 general is good. Tom, you know your stuff and certainly know how to engineer a=20 transmitter site very, very well. Kudos! It must be a real treat=20 for an engineer to be involved from the ground radials on up in a=20 new, state of the art, AM transmitter site. I can understand the lure of wanting to experiment with IBOC/HD=20 radio. But, keep CQUAM in your back pocket. The technology is=20 there and sometimes old technolgies do come back in a different=20 form. I'm still very skeptical about IBOC on AM for nighttime use.=20=20 I do think it may have attributes for daytime. Time will tell, but=20 a nighttime alternative may be required. Everyone on this list loves AM [MW] radio and is interested in=20 stereo on AM, whether by CQUAM, other forms of analogue AM Stereo,=20 or AM IBOC stereo. What is in common is a desire to make the AM=20 band for all its faults, the best it can be.=20=20 And, keep in mind that although AM [MW] has its problems, it has its=20 advantages too. CHERs and 73 gang! [note: 950 CHER Sydney NS will be flipping to FM=20 soon] Phil Rafuse PEI Canada From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Nov 30 10:07:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62370 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2006 18:03:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2006 18:03:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2006 18:03:04 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.109.155.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.109.155] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GpqFO-0002OD-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:02:58 -0500 Message-ID: <017d01c714a9$c42fe450$9b6d5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:02:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:Questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=wcDrv_kNi-8H7qK8rryCh_zoMD6k0w4M55cEP6vgi-wZ19tFGMKxIYV-CW3rkg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 david roland wrote: > Just curious, was the WLW 500,000 watt signal able to be decoded on the > other side of the world? that's a huge signal! It was very strong in HI when at full power. > > i remember when i lived in cincinnati reading an article in the Enquirer > about how the signal caused metal barn roofs to resonate. At the local power company, they could watch their meters bounce to the modulation of WLW! I think with Homeland Security the way it is, we should bring back the Super-Power AMs. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Nov 30 10:30:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28052 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2006 18:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2006 18:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2006 18:25:16 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.109.155.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.109.155] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GpqTX-0004ME-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:17:35 -0500 Message-ID: <018801c714ab$cec57a40$9b6d5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:17:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mystery signal on 1610 kHz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=hX0nhgj5FaTaBPQ0lxVk2hMbZoV29WOB5AvxnfvEqLx0-4zkVWBzBb4gltQ_QQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T. wrote: > Last night and tonight, many people have reported hearing a strong signal > on 1610 kHz AM, with a constant 1 kHz audio tone, Hmm, I just thought Caribbean Beacon on Anguilla, British West Indies was having technical problems! I will have to check it out closer if it is on tonight. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Nov 30 12:57:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32933 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2006 20:54:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2006 20:54:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fall-lakeland.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (207.69.195.103) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2006 20:54:36 -0000 Received: from amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net ([207.69.200.26]) by fall-lakeland.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GpqTi-0003TK-Nk for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:17:46 -0500 Received: from dialup-4.91.109.155.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.109.155] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GpqBa-0001q1-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:59:03 -0500 Message-ID: <017801c714a9$37bab540$9b6d5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <775725.40426.qm@web52211.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:59:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.195.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Outdoor AM Antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=FUfGKQLBvMHXYz5OcuN5nrBLbQdlSQveNNDixhsgv2CdhFr8Otaea3-bycPNQA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > Didn't mean that. A lot of consumer stuff can't handle any external > antenna very well. The AM section cost about 50 cents to manufacture.... Yup, most are junk. > > Ah, when I get moved in[at Silverstreet, SC ] , will you come climb that > 70 foot Pine tree for my antenna to go in? Go climb your own tree! I am busy fixing to get thrown out of the RV park I am in over my 11 Meter CB Rig! LOL Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Nov 30 13:36:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35666 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2006 21:29:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2006 21:29:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2006 21:29:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 27065 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2006 21:29:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FZufGEAVM1k3rSV8X2wnK2mFf.KZgOWULE7MfDWmTg_7xwXU6sd0cwTKG.y_NaCRtA-- Received: from [74.226.219.151] by web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:29:27 PST Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:29:27 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <518042.26381.qm@web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: 1070 AM WCSZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=DQRTnK1zciDSO0d0pS5-qZ6H98nid2redvLeTo0kVzzUg-gljwPt X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Well sounds like they have another problem since yesterday. WCSZ is losing one channel of sound. That is you know how you listen to a stereo recording (especially from the 60s) and vocals may be recorded on distinct right or distinct left? Well the sonds that are recorded in ping pong stereo are coming through with half the musical information missing. I just heard Shotgun by Jr Walker and the Allstars and you could hear the music fine but the voices sounded like they were down in a hole somewhere, barely audible. This is because the vocals are recorded out of phase on either the left or right channels. My guess is someone has used a stereo adapter where a mono one should be in place in order to recombine the stereo image into a mono one. Has anyone ever heard this phenomena happen on a radio station? It's as though you were listning in stereo and disconnected one of the stereo channels so that half the musical information is missing. I called and left a message on their machine. I don't know if any of you guys know them but their number here is (864) 294-1071. I called but you get a recording. Perhaps someone on here knows better on what to tell that engineer. You'd think he could hear it or tell it or that someone besides me would!! Oh well comments anyone??? And no they don't broadcast in CQUAM, just standard AM mono. -Kevin Greenville, SC ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Nov 30 16:56:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6064 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2006 00:55:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2006 00:55:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2006 00:55:31 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.106.253.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.106.253] helo=PossumHunter) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Gpwfl-0005e4-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:54:38 -0500 Message-ID: <007501c714e3$46747f00$fd6a5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <518042.26381.qm@web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:53:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1070 AM WCSZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=GdKz40P0qKHFl9GqZG4CG5-Joz2PnVQ5_O9W6oIQPyyqLbvCqCA5hRxrqXEBNg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: >WCSZ is losing one channel of sound. It is pretty common for Mono stations to only connect the Left channel. It sounds OK unless something has a Stereo source, then it sounds like sh*t. > >I don't know if any of you guys know them but their number here is (864) >294-1071. AFAIK, you are the only member of this board in Upstate SC. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From tomray@wor710.com Thu Nov 30 17:29:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34428 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2006 01:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2006 01:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.117) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2006 01:21:33 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2006 01:14:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2006 01:14:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2006 01:14:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 01:14:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.117 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Mystery signal on 1610 kHz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=_WzM1wxQsS3AqJECAwRyb_DLFux5v7e-hQsIWaxvl8XVO_S- X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Last night and tonight, many people have reported hearing a strong=20 > signal on 1610 kHz AM, with a constant 1 kHz audio tone, possibly=20 > coming from somewhere in the Northeast USA. DXers have heard it all=20 > across North America, and here in NJ, it is coming in very loud in an=20 > ENE / WSW direction. Sorry, no C-Quam pilot tone. >=20 > So if anyone here is hearing this signal, please report your findings=20 > here, including where you are and in which direction the signal is=20 > the strongest. If you're in Western Europe (i.e. UK / Ireland), it=20 > might be worth a shot, too! > Was talking to a friend on the drive home. He had it clear in Agawam, MA. I had it clear in Suffern, NY. With crosstalk from other stations underneath. "The Tone" (isn't that a new format?) was clearly the dominant station on that frequency. Tom Ray WOR From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Nov 30 17:49:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83001 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2006 01:43:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2006 01:43:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2006 01:43:09 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.106.253.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.106.253] helo=PossumHunter) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GpxQJ-0002hQ-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:42:44 -0500 Message-ID: <012e01c714e9$fe24ab60$fd6a5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:41:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Mystery signal on 1610 kHz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=xAqgngl6RRPgjRPp307v8WE9mwApRGTs-oB2cWvRqzW8MJ_lZk1K-PnnQu8bqw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: >He had it clear in Agawam, MA. I had it clear in Suffern, NY. With >crosstalk from other stations underneath. "The Tone" (isn't that a new >format?) was clearly the dominant station on that frequency. It is on the air again tonight! It does sound too stong to be Caribbean Beacon, The Valley, Anguilla, British West Indies unless they did a LOT of transmitter work! But I cannot hear Caribbean Beacon under the tone, even if I null the tone out. It nulls from about the right direction for the Beacon. So is it the Beacon? Dr. Scott's ol lady has been throwing alot of money at the broadcast ministry of late... Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From tomray@wor710.com Thu Nov 30 17:58:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81884 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2006 01:47:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2006 01:47:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.132) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2006 01:47:09 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2006 01:45:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2006 01:45:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2006 01:45:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 01:45:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.132 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: WOR loud and clear X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=QzJp-6mqr61c-c4algsVzDFYgeTcteSeI2GuMds0im0dOX-S X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Hi Phil: Excuse my ignorance...PEI Canada? That's where? In some cases, I'm geographically challenged :-) Oh, wait. Brainstorm here. Prince Edward Island, right? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil" wrote: > > I'd just like to pass along that since the new transmitter site has=20 > been put in operation, WOR's nighttime skywave signal into PEI=20 > Canada has improved dramatically. Even when 720 CHTN [a now dark=20 > local] was on the air, WOR was coming in amazingly well, although it=20 > took a very selective receiver, such as my 1955 Collins R-390A, to=20 > do the job. The improvement over the old site was BIG BIG BIG! [TR} Having a new antenna system and ground system helps...big time!=20 The old antenna was overdue for a ground system in the brackish environment it lives in. It will be interesting, after the old towers come down, to see if any of the old ground system is actually left. >=20 > On the R-390A, when I open up the bandwidth, the sound on WOR is=20 > pretty good. The bandwidth is restricted somewhat at the source,=20 > but it is fully reasonable for a talk station. Audio quality in=20 > general is good. Thanks. We're frequency limited to 5kHz for the HD, but if you set the processing up right, that 5K doesn't sound half bad. >=20 > Tom, you know your stuff and certainly know how to engineer a=20 > transmitter site very, very well. Kudos! It must be a real treat=20 > for an engineer to be involved from the ground radials on up in a=20 > new, state of the art, AM transmitter site. [TR] A treat and VERY tiring! The site is on the air, but not complete, so there is still much to do. You'd like the redundancy built in. 4 different STL paths, not counting the ability to get on by ISDN and the on site studio...two T1 circuits that take completely different paths from the City to the site, and 2 on air microwave.=20=20=20 Dual redundant transmitters. Ability to operate non-directional off any of the three towers for maintenance. 300KW diesel generator.=20 Dual redundant 10 ton air conditioners. The transmitter room is a closed environment and treated as close to a clean room as we can.=20 Each rack has its own UPS. While any of the STL paths can be switched on air, the switchers are passive. The control rack is common, and if it goes belly up, the transmitters will stay on the air. Each transmitter has its own rack, with 2 of the normal STL paths in the rack, along with processing for each transmitter. So, for example, if rack 2 goes bye bye, transmitter A loses audio and one T1 circuit and one microwave receiver go away. We would also lose 2 satellite receivers, but these are also redundant and there are two identical ones in the next rack which feeds transmitter B. Two HD exciters (one for each transmitter) each with its own UPS. While it is impossible to make a site completely redundant, there isn't much common to each transmitter. >=20 > Everyone on this list loves AM [MW] radio and is interested in=20 > stereo on AM, whether by CQUAM, other forms of analogue AM Stereo,=20 > or AM IBOC stereo. What is in common is a desire to make the AM=20 > band for all its faults, the best it can be.=20 [TR] That's what we try to do.=20=20=20 Tom Ray WOR From jimsmith@vfr.net Thu Nov 30 21:03:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29957 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2006 04:59:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2006 04:59:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.76) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2006 04:59:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2006 04:59:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 04:59:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.76 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.30.69.24 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re:Questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=-QNINQVdQKccdlsq2Z7KiV9C-POXdize2IVZfNwYyEbiAmwW_MWNBw X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "david roland" =20 wrote: > > Just curious, was the WLW 500,000 watt signal able to be decoded on=20 > the other side of the world? that's a huge signal! i remember=20 when=20 > i lived in cincinnati reading an article in the Enquirer about how=20 > the signal caused metal barn roofs to resonate. people picked up=20 > the station in their teeth fillings. there were a lot of funny=20 > stories. >=20 > david >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 > wrote: > > > > Kevin wrote: "Why is it that I can pull > > in say 890 AM WLS and 880 WCBS from New York City > > clearly yet I cannot pull in WNMB 900 AM Stereo from > > Myrtle Beach?" > >=20 > > Thanks to the joy (and sorrow) that is AM radio, you can get some=20 > nice > > long distance (DX) reception at night from the 50,000 watt clear > > channel (clear frequency - not the company) stations like WLS=20 (who=20 > was > > in stereo the weekend of Nov 18-19), but unfortunately, WNMB=20 > doesn't > > (yet) have 50,000 watts of power. Bill would notice the increase=20 > in > > his electric bill if he did, although most of us on this list=20 wish=20 > Bill > > was a WLW 500,000 watt superpower station of the 1930's! =20 > >=20 Hi Gang I had saw a verry old radio that my frend has and it had=20 nubers and call litters on it. There were all west coast "K"s on it=20 exsept WLW . So that exspans that. Jim Smith > >=20 > >=20=20 =20 >=20 _____________________________________________________________________ > _______________ > > Want to start your own business? > > Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index > > > From kjones_731@yahoo.com Thu Nov 30 21:42:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kjones_731@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63178 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2006 05:42:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2006 05:42:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web81907.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.186) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2006 05:42:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 46054 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2006 05:35:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: jSjfgwIVM1k_rm7VMtZD0LLd0oGOgBRAS1bfrxxiHf.E6YYqx5s9S44XzldIEcpb.6OVDjVLz9aeEMUbuFntLjY_o.ezgxCHqf.vHCxBqJ11KGwidWw9r6rNHNafXKjBad_XyopoaZrM3A-- Received: from [69.223.182.129] by web81907.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:35:32 PST Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:35:32 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <703128.44305.qm@web81907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kirk Jones Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Mystery signal on 1610 kHz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=58737040; y=eCZeDOQLiMDUPPNVpJkb0KLUKe1K1Zs0wTiUykvQSmnWooZx4g X-Yahoo-Profile: kjones_731 Its 12:30 am in Columbus,Oh 1610 is strongest in an east west direction. Signal is steady and doesn't seem to be to direcitonal, signal is about a 7 north south to a 10 east west on my sangean ats 909. From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 01 01:58:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94398 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2006 09:57:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2006 09:57:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.31) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2006 09:57:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 15743 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2006 09:44:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YxEG_WwVM1m5c8DoJ10Be_PlckujRCJG1zPLgNsortLzJZcU8nzJgVWavIXhXgHPUQ-- Received: from [74.226.219.151] by web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 01:44:28 PST Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 01:44:28 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <007501c714e3$46747f00$fd6a5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <102118.15454.qm@web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1070 AM WCSZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=qpkPkWf6RwBjAJ-0g6ostnNUsIEVC9CwzaIg0QSF5sQyw6fzMpO- X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Yeah especially MOST 60s music which is in ping pong stereo. It makes no sense for them not to combine both left and right if they are playing music that is in stereo but they broadcast in mono. I mean it needs to be recombined into mono to sound best in that setup. I thought perhaps they were fooling around with a CQUAM exciter or whatever, perhaps trying to change it over. I had no idea what was going on. Right now the Associations song Along Comes Mary is on and it sounds like crap. All you can hear is the guys singing and like one drum, LOL!!! I mean it sounds horrible. Dang I may not be a broadcaster or anything but i've been around boards enough to know how to hook up things correctly!! I bet I could fix that thing! Give me a few minutes to tinker around and see how things are hooked up!! ha! But really I just hate to hear them go from sounding decent a day or so ago. They had been overdriving things and it sounded a little distorted but then they evened it out and it was sounding decent even if it was mono. Now it sounds horrible with half the music information missing. Well I left a message on their machine about it, maybe they'll fix it who knows? -Kevin --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Kevin Bell wrote: > >WCSZ is losing one channel of sound. > > It is pretty common for Mono stations to only > connect the Left channel. It > sounds OK unless something has a Stereo source, then > it sounds like sh*t. > > > >I don't know if any of you guys know them but their > number here is (864) > >294-1071. > > AFAIK, you are the only member of this board in > Upstate SC. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Dec 01 04:20:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51953 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2006 12:20:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2006 12:20:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52203.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.126) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2006 12:20:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 47848 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2006 12:15:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: V_pDc8kVM1nE9kdYg2ircPTksCQoXyMA6W5Cwthdanuivsz7maTKJ7rO2k1lH4UWgsagCQW9K3v_yTLslh.9OIq7ddHkMht21fyvpPmbysKgvuSp9MecTdUagtAX4wQKSatHZurRSyGCdyQ- Received: from [12.76.216.232] by web52203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 04:15:06 PST Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 04:15:06 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <102118.15454.qm@web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <238921.44414.qm@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1070 AM WCSZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=YY71g066CKc7wkcn_Zyw2r0SzkyOxRcFmVf6PZTVeLU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > Yeah especially MOST 60s music which is in ping pong > stereo. It makes no sense for them not to combine > both left and right if they are playing music that > is > in stereo but they broadcast in mono. I mean it > needs > to be recombined into mono to sound best in that > setup. > I thought perhaps they were fooling around > with a CQUAM exciter or whatever, perhaps trying to > change it over. Not a chance. They don't have a regular engineer and they still are on the 2500 watt night transmitter. The day one, an old Harris MW-50 is broken, and the contract engineer needs the manual on the MW-50 > I had no idea what was going on. > Right now the Associations song Along Comes Mary is > on > and it sounds like crap. All you can hear is the > guys > singing and like one drum, LOL!!! I mean it sounds > horrible. Dang I may not be a broadcaster or > anything > but i've been around boards enough to know how to > hook > up things correctly!! Son, it's not the board. NO ONE THERE IS RUNNING A BOARD. It's likely a fault in a connection from the satellite receiver. Most often there's an audio switcher and related audio devices connected to the automation so the board can be free for production. > I bet I could fix that thing! Don't bet on it. > Give me a few minutes to tinker around and see how > things are hooked up!! ha! But really I just hate > to > hear them go from sounding decent a day or so ago. > They had been overdriving things and it sounded a > little distorted but then they evened it out and it > was sounding decent even if it was mono. Now it > sounds horrible with half the music information > missing. Well I left a message on their machine > about it, maybe they'll fix it who knows? I'll see the contract engineer this Sunday AM. I'll tell him. I hope they've paid him. Powell NNNN! From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 01 04:38:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30874 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2006 12:37:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2006 12:37:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.27) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2006 12:37:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 81784 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2006 09:48:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20061201094827.81782.qmail@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 4e9VGHMVM1k.pxjbizpULJ1QPHwco7U0_DRUeZSnk5u8OFTIyRV18Wa1PLh2PJDKzA-- Received: from [74.226.219.151] by web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 01:48:27 PST Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 01:48:27 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <012e01c714e9$fe24ab60$fd6a5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Mystery signal on 1610 kHz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=CREw6isn58NAXt8IPBck88uNSq7k1iltJJyUs83bsA9fEUB4hoft X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Guys I hear it too on 1610 here in Greenville, South Carolina. It sounds like one of those 1kz test tones off my test CD. I have the first test CD that was ever put out in 1981. It has all sorts of crazy test tones and things on it. Anyway that 1610 is strong and lighting up my "tune" light on my Tivoli really strong. It's currently 4:45 AM here in SC so thats how strong I have it right now. Annoying as hell. Anyway any ideas?? -Kevin --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Tom Ray wrote: > >He had it clear in Agawam, MA. I had it clear in > Suffern, NY. With > >crosstalk from other stations underneath. "The > Tone" (isn't that a new > >format?) was clearly the dominant station on that > frequency. > > It is on the air again tonight! It does sound too > stong to be Caribbean > Beacon, The Valley, Anguilla, British West Indies > unless they did a LOT of > transmitter work! But I cannot hear Caribbean Beacon > under the tone, even if > I null the tone out. It nulls from about the right > direction for the Beacon. > So is it the Beacon? Dr. Scott's ol lady has been > throwing alot of money at > the broadcast ministry of late... > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Dec 01 05:00:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5576 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2006 12:57:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2006 12:57:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.108) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2006 12:57:08 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n11.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2006 12:56:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2006 12:56:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2006 12:56:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 12:56:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.108 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 142.176.20.3 From: "Phil" Subject: 1610 "The Tone" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723; y=4pmCTgHVZ3zFgz4gNTz2XWlSitBoPyWx1R4fW3w5RS9HBQ00nRIk X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Has anyone checked to see if 1610 The Tone is in AM Stereo? 1610 The=20 Tone has a nice nightime signal here in PEI [Prince Edward Island]. I=20 didn't see the pilot light come on when I was listening to "The Tone"=20 in my car. Using my quantum loop, 1610 The Tone seems to be coming both directly=20 south and directly west of me - could this be two or more=20 transmitters - say one near Washington DC and the other near Ottawa.=20=20 Perhaps the NSA and the CSE [Communications Security Establishment] at=20 play??? Perhaps there are one or more on the west coast or in the=20 centre of the continent too??? What about two, or more, transmitters deliberately spaced 1 KHz apart=20 for a deliberate hetrodyne??? Someone with time on their hands, a=20 receiver with narrow steep filters, a rotatable loop antenna and a=20 spectrum analyzer could have some fun! If it is not a government=20 project, I trust our friends at the NSA and the CSE are looking into=20 it. We Canadians still have our elephant cage antennas - one out=20 west, the other in Gander NL with a couple smaller variants of the=20 elephant cage closer to the centre of the country. Phil Rafuse PEI Canada But you don't want guys and gals in sunglasses to take you away=20 either... From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Dec 01 05:01:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16112 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2006 12:49:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2006 12:49:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.186) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2006 12:49:56 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n5.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2006 12:47:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2006 12:47:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2006 12:47:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 12:47:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 142.176.20.3 From: "Phil" Subject: Re: WOR loud and clear X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723; y=5ecAPAMelBrTtKpvoqCMTKVopP2s0MS96QW3gMdKp1NoVAPg1pSV X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Tom: You got it Pontiac! Prince Edward Island is a big mouthful to say. Locals usually call=20 it "The Island". But, coming originally from NS [Nova Scotia] we=20 used to think of The Island as CB [Cape Breton]. And so it goes.=20=20 Many also just use PEI, which also stands for potato eating island.=20=20 Sometimes PEI is referred to as The Garden of the Gulf, but given=20 the enormous number of topnotch golf courses, The Garden of the Golf=20 is equally appropriate. Phil --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > Hi Phil: >=20 > Excuse my ignorance...PEI Canada? That's where? In some cases,=20 I'm > geographically challenged :-) Oh, wait. Brainstorm here. Prince > Edward Island, right? >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil" wrote: > > > > I'd just like to pass along that since the new transmitter site=20 has=20 > > been put in operation, WOR's nighttime skywave signal into PEI=20 > > Canada has improved dramatically. Even when 720 CHTN [a now=20 dark=20 > > local] was on the air, WOR was coming in amazingly well,=20 although it=20 > > took a very selective receiver, such as my 1955 Collins R-390A,=20 to=20 > > do the job. The improvement over the old site was BIG BIG BIG! >=20 > [TR} Having a new antenna system and ground system helps...big=20 time!=20 > The old antenna was overdue for a ground system in the brackish > environment it lives in. It will be interesting, after the old=20 towers > come down, to see if any of the old ground system is actually left. >=20 > >=20 > > On the R-390A, when I open up the bandwidth, the sound on WOR is=20 > > pretty good. The bandwidth is restricted somewhat at the=20 source,=20 > > but it is fully reasonable for a talk station. Audio quality in=20 > > general is good. >=20 > Thanks. We're frequency limited to 5kHz for the HD, but if you set > the processing up right, that 5K doesn't sound half bad. >=20 > >=20 > > Tom, you know your stuff and certainly know how to engineer a=20 > > transmitter site very, very well. Kudos! It must be a real=20 treat=20 > > for an engineer to be involved from the ground radials on up in=20 a=20 > > new, state of the art, AM transmitter site. >=20 > [TR] A treat and VERY tiring! The site is on the air, but not > complete, so there is still much to do. You'd like the redundancy > built in. 4 different STL paths, not counting the ability to get=20 on > by ISDN and the on site studio...two T1 circuits that take=20 completely > different paths from the City to the site, and 2 on air=20 microwave.=20=20=20 > Dual redundant transmitters. Ability to operate non-directional=20 off > any of the three towers for maintenance. 300KW diesel generator.=20 > Dual redundant 10 ton air conditioners. The transmitter room is a > closed environment and treated as close to a clean room as we can.=20 > Each rack has its own UPS. While any of the STL paths can be=20 switched > on air, the switchers are passive. The control rack is common,=20 and if > it goes belly up, the transmitters will stay on the air. Each > transmitter has its own rack, with 2 of the normal STL paths in the > rack, along with processing for each transmitter. So, for=20 example, if > rack 2 goes bye bye, transmitter A loses audio and one T1 circuit=20 and > one microwave receiver go away. We would also lose 2 satellite > receivers, but these are also redundant and there are two identical > ones in the next rack which feeds transmitter B. Two HD exciters=20 (one > for each transmitter) each with its own UPS. While it is=20 impossible > to make a site completely redundant, there isn't much common to=20 each > transmitter. >=20 >=20 > >=20 > > Everyone on this list loves AM [MW] radio and is interested in=20 > > stereo on AM, whether by CQUAM, other forms of analogue AM=20 Stereo,=20 > > or AM IBOC stereo. What is in common is a desire to make the AM=20 > > band for all its faults, the best it can be.=20 >=20 > [TR] That's what we try to do.=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Fri Dec 01 05:20:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41570 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2006 13:16:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2006 13:16:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2006 13:16:28 -0000 Received: from [4.247.122.185] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Gq8EN-00060p-37 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 08:15:07 -0500 Message-ID: <380-22006125113157242@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.3.14.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 08:15:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc9aa6201b411834f7c81f10a325667e17350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Strong Tone on 1610 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=h7e1urI-6Of0N4-LwklnoK_khpfisGRsWm3k99IOeRitig Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's been a lot of discussion in another group about a nationally strong tone on 1610 AM after dark. It was quite strong here in Tampa last night. Dick W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 01 05:30:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11418 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2006 13:30:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2006 13:29:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2006 13:29:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 82256 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2006 13:28:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: iL12QIYVM1mZ6sU6XUku7XJA9hw1eb_Ff23YQAVFHLRhXZqUEKp.CzTAP5SAlnqzMwbSKI1LZwBiGwVlfUlPGIdvyiSKtzJZDrWoH2XwgvA_ybvdPK175kHWg9YznVuBlLhOmJr52h1zh5LRcsOFWrwi7_IYMTzfS2GtM2uoMt5tBdAQ8DuIjQ-- Received: from [74.226.219.151] by web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 05:28:32 PST Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 05:28:32 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <238921.44414.qm@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <881176.82249.qm@web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1070 AM WCSZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=1eBFDGAMcr8orx-vUyDxri7BS1ZjWOPUNQKMgrGlUx80T9LYvj8_ X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Ok good thing! Hopefully they paid him too! Thanks Powell. Hey yall my birthday is this week, Dec 8th! I'll be 33! All birthday wishes will be accepted! Ha! Just kidding guys, it will be my birthday but i'd rather not think about it cause the numbers are adding up! Take care yall. -Kevin --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Kevin Bell wrote: > > > Yeah especially MOST 60s music which is in ping > pong > > stereo. It makes no sense for them not to combine > > both left and right if they are playing music that > > is > > in stereo but they broadcast in mono. I mean it > > needs > > to be recombined into mono to sound best in that > > setup. > > > > I thought perhaps they were fooling around > > with a CQUAM exciter or whatever, perhaps trying > to > > change it over. > > Not a chance. They don't have a regular engineer and > they still are on the 2500 watt night transmitter. > The > day one, an old Harris MW-50 is broken, and the > contract engineer needs the manual on the MW-50 > > > > I had no idea what was going on. > > Right now the Associations song Along Comes Mary > is > > on > > and it sounds like crap. All you can hear is the > > guys > > singing and like one drum, LOL!!! I mean it > sounds > > horrible. Dang I may not be a broadcaster or > > anything > > but i've been around boards enough to know how to > > hook > > up things correctly!! > > > Son, it's not the board. NO ONE THERE IS RUNNING A > BOARD. It's likely a fault in a connection from the > satellite receiver. Most often there's an audio > switcher and related audio devices connected to the > automation so the board can be free for production. > > > > I bet I could fix that thing! > > Don't bet on it. > > > Give me a few minutes to tinker around and see how > > things are hooked up!! ha! But really I just hate > > to > > hear them go from sounding decent a day or so ago. > > > They had been overdriving things and it sounded a > > little distorted but then they evened it out and > it > > was sounding decent even if it was mono. Now it > > sounds horrible with half the music information > > missing. Well I left a message on their machine > > about it, maybe they'll fix it who knows? > > I'll see the contract engineer this Sunday AM. I'll > tell him. I hope they've paid him. > > Powell > > > NNNN! > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Fri Dec 01 05:51:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78771 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2006 13:48:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2006 13:48:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2006 13:48:20 -0000 Received: from [4.247.122.185] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Gq8iY-00028S-TE for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 08:46:22 -0500 Message-ID: <382-220061251134618883@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.3.14.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 08:46:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc82ac24864f8fc3ba06702bc9c0c1a47d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Mystery signal on 1610 kHz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=uTSrOVRPGQtzfRMLovb9wVc88FJe3x57SmEn6A_Rhuwvug Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very strong tone on 1610 here in Tampa last night shortly after dusk. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Ray To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: 11/30/2006 8:29:58 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Mystery signal on 1610 kHz --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Last night and tonight, many people have reported hearing a strong > signal on 1610 kHz AM, with a constant 1 kHz audio tone, possibly > coming from somewhere in the Northeast USA. DXers have heard it all > across North America, and here in NJ, it is coming in very loud in an > ENE / WSW direction. Sorry, no C-Quam pilot tone. > > So if anyone here is hearing this signal, please report your findings > here, including where you are and in which direction the signal is > the strongest. If you're in Western Europe (i.e. UK / Ireland), it > might be worth a shot, too! > Was talking to a friend on the drive home. He had it clear in Agawam, MA. I had it clear in Suffern, NY. With crosstalk from other stations underneath. "The Tone" (isn't that a new format?) was clearly the dominant station on that frequency. Tom Ray WOR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Dec 01 06:05:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87064 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2006 14:05:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2006 14:05:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52211.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2006 14:05:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 28060 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2006 13:04:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20061201130429.28058.qmail@web52211.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Yn9fNE4VM1nYMTxEvOSOSh5HtKTsg6Rdz0.QIkjBGWoqJErBsxHhQVmFbPgI.0ZAcdD4I9mwD299IH9_AEfE9bQQMDfiw8NILXab4.tzIeTucPiDB9KtmE2Q5yLU_TrqebByDoIhCjTfEGM- Received: from [12.76.217.5] by web52211.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 05:04:29 PST Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 05:04:29 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20061201094827.81782.qmail@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Mystery signal on 1610 kHz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=ABickCvmrFSgb2kV4dsI7PqKnLnQAfMY2r3bBhqJfPc X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > Guys I hear it too on 1610 here in Greenville, > South > Carolina. It sounds like one of those 1kz test > tones > off my test CD. I have the first test CD that was > ever put out in 1981. It has all sorts of crazy > test > tones and things on it. Anyway that 1610 is strong > and lighting up my "tune" light on my Tivoli really > strong. It's currently 4:45 AM here in SC so thats > how strong I have it right now. Annoying as hell. > Anyway any ideas?? > -Kevin Best bet is a branch of the military testing. Kent Winrich on another list is going to let us know. Powell NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Dec 01 06:58:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53381 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2006 14:50:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2006 14:50:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52208.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.131) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2006 14:50:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 30778 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2006 14:50:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20061201145019.30776.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: mk33V10VM1n6tw8v6b6xXfcAxLSyLR0yKQ0Zd1CQyLyoqgiw2r7tKDe.iBwP.IbBxk4m8bSNAP2NFofoxf4FAL6Zr2c5Kxxk76qrw53gCv2HTunqDnkOsZwnw5CMl794he8pY7Ua__6aK4U- Received: from [12.76.217.140] by web52208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 06:50:19 PST Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 06:50:19 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <881176.82249.qm@web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1070 AM WCSZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=qAIKXnyjoKoN-nkOH5yGUsvT4xS05-_tZ5kDHABvnEY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > Ok good thing! Hopefully they paid him too! I'll find out. > Thanks > Powell. Hey yall my birthday is this week, Dec 8th! > > I'll be 33! 33?? THIRTY THREE ?? I can't remeber that far back. I turned 60 on October 6. All birthday wishes will be accepted! Happpppy Birthdaaaay! Numbers are just that. Powell NNNN! From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Fri Dec 01 07:37:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18349 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2006 15:32:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2006 15:32:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.117) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2006 15:32:38 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2006 15:26:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2006 15:26:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2006 15:26:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 15:26:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.184.159.165 From: "Douglas" Subject: Alfredo Lite Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355; y=btjm0cQJqdTVpOEDJ03hyVDCwy5qT5fd1l8H1GNSFtuhDx0SoQ X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Hey guys... I bought one of Chris Cuff's Alfredo Lites about a month ago.= .. and I've just=20 gotten around to hooking up a ground and an antenna to it. I chose to have= Chris put the=20 1500 kHz crystal in it... Here's my trouble. I live about 9 blocks away from KRLD 1080's transmitter= in Garland,=20 TX. So KRLD is coming through my broadcast LOUDER than my iTunes generated= music! I'm not surprised by this... KRLD shows up in odd places in my neighborhood= . Most=20 notoriously, through the phone. (And at about 7 different frequencies on m= y household=20 radios). Does anyone have some recommendations for choking out the KRLD signal? A few specs: My Alfredo Lite is located in an upstairs room of my two-stor= y home. I've=20 run a ground line down to an 8-foot ground rod that's driven about 6-and-a-= half feet into=20 the ground (that ground rod is also connected to my home's main ground rod = on the other=20 side of the house--to prevent arching in the event of lightning strike). I= 've also run some=20 antenna wire out my second story window and screwed it into my roof's alumi= num gutter=20 system. The gutters don't run completely around the house... so the antenn= a is attached=20 to a length of gutter that just runs along the rear edge of the roof. And = finally, I'm feeding=20 audio from a stereo amplifier that's hooked up to my computer. I'm tapping= into the=20 amplifier's headphone jack with a quarter inch-to-stereo RCA cable. The RC= A's, of course,=20 hook into the Alfredo Lite. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Dec 01 07:39:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28598 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2006 15:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2006 15:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s37.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.237) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2006 15:33:13 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.102]) by bay0-omc3-s37.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:13:16 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:13:16 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 15:13:11 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Bcc: Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 15:13:11 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2006 15:13:16.0028 (UTC) FILETIME=[39DC13C0:01C7155B] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Strong Tone on 1610 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=PygstC6OR00FI3q_aN_EQ7e4CCa8fCaymMAy2xCHGweG8FDOceTd9bo8HxU X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo I'm approximately 25 s.w. of Tampa (where Dick wheeler is )and also was getting a strong signal on 1610 - "the tone", from here it appeared to be coming from the n.n.e. of here and since it seems to be strongest on a east west orientation from Columbus, Oh, I'm guessing it might be in Pa or new the Big Apple. Just a wild guess. Is anyone in the area (PA, NJ, NY, CT, able to measure the just how strong the signal is? Donn, St. Petersburg,FL ---------Original Message---------- From: "Dick W." Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Strong Tone on 1610 AM Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 08:15:07 -0500 There's been a lot of discussion in another group about a nationally strong tone on 1610 AM after dark. It was quite strong here in Tampa last night. Dick W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Fri Dec 01 09:09:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76283 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2006 17:03:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2006 17:03:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flpvm23.prodigy.net) (207.115.20.53) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2006 17:03:38 -0000 X-ORBL: [68.251.252.80] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-251-252-80.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.251.252.80]) by flpvm23.prodigy.net (8.13.7 out spool5000 dk/8.13.7) with SMTP id kB1H1Wbu032120 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 09:01:33 -0800 Message-ID: <003101c7156a$58659f00$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 12:01:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0652-6, 12/01/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.20.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Mystery signal on 1610 kHz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=IefwtROaFCMdPB7NsM_ibSYAZcZ1ePYZLvwaKumd8JiFu1I X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 It was the dominant station here in Central Indiana on Weds night (didn't check last night). From tomray@wor710.com Fri Dec 01 09:53:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27818 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2006 17:40:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2006 17:40:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2006 17:40:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2006 17:40:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2006 17:40:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 17:40:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Strong Tone on 1610 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=GxFkFVi1xfVN9VcTe9atpF8NFd3cIW-OlejSCplEPZRf-96m X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray I'm gonna stop by the transmitter and grab a field strength meter on the way out tonight. I'll measure it at the transmitter in Rutherford (and get a bearing), then measure it in my front yard near Newburgh, NY with direction.=20=20 I doubt it's a station in the NYC area...we have a 1600 and a 1660, so the Federal Candy Company wouldn't authorize a 1610 here (but I wouldn't put it past them!). Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman" wrote: > > I'm approximately 25 s.w. of Tampa (where Dick wheeler is )and also was=20 > getting a strong signal on 1610 - "the tone", from here it appeared to be=20 > coming from the n.n.e. of here and since it seems to be strongest on a east=20 > west orientation from Columbus, Oh, I'm guessing it might be in Pa or new=20 > the Big Apple. Just a wild guess. Is anyone in the area (PA, NJ, NY, CT,=20 > able to measure the just how strong the signal is? >=20 > Donn, > St. Petersburg,FL > ---------Original Message---------- >=20 > From: "Dick W." > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Strong Tone on 1610 AM > Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 08:15:07 -0500 >=20 > There's been a lot of discussion in another group about a nationally strong=20 > tone on 1610 AM after dark. It was quite strong here in Tampa last night. > Dick W. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Dec 01 10:49:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45395 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2006 18:39:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2006 18:39:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.118) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2006 18:39:20 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2006 18:36:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2006 18:36:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2006 18:36:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 18:36:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.118 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.250.43.101 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Strong Tone on 1610 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=UzRNA20TsUR3Xexwim3JtR46iy1A5aO3GIXyvBl1k8w6QtpYag X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The 1610 signal is now off the air. Here in the info I have, from=20 another list: > First of all it is a legit and approved signal. It is for antenna > testing and is running 10kW on the East Coast. It is strictly a > 1kHz tone. There will be nothing else transmitted. So you don't > need to look for any FSK. > > The 1610 signal is now off the air, but there is more fun to be > had. > > Starting this morning (Friday) at 0900 EST the antenna testing > will resume on 1020 kHz and will run until 0700 Sunday morning. > The 1020 signal will be shut down Sunday at 0700. > > Tuesday (Dec. 5th) look for the signal on 590 kHz at 0900 EST and > run until 0700 Friday (Dec. 8th). > > Friday will finish the antenna testing. Speculation is that it's a U.S. government operation and is coming=20 from a military base somewhere along the mid-Atlantic coast, most=20 likely in the Maryland / DC / Virginia area. From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 01 12:13:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8307 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2006 20:05:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2006 20:05:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.37) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2006 20:05:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 18672 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2006 19:58:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20061201195849.18670.qmail@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: UyBHGZoVM1n71v4BgviiPlJOO0aP7gciYo0RLOTmLeyD0iVQCmagcgEQOjTEB5lvDAx2A4nCIHQgTmaIj35rY2goWXQz3O47yW6_jJM6zOCt_e0_ZIC1ZsZjEPgft7xaTJoEdRR5nv5USc4LpOm_PkXFr8jEiVaVdB.VnnAdZGb6.Z2CPtR0XA-- Received: from [74.226.219.151] by web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 11:58:49 PST Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 11:58:49 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Strong Tone on 1610 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=9k_5VvOlN4NSVkDX19ZgbSVRHqwWTYq3ehn30q7IkUM-jrKUVkel X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke But why on earth would the military care anything about AM radio? I thought they had much more sophisticated means of communication? Sure is interesting! -Kevin --- "Kevin T." wrote: > The 1610 signal is now off the air. Here in the > info I have, from > another list: > > > First of all it is a legit and approved signal. > It is for antenna > > testing and is running 10kW on the East Coast. It > is strictly a > > 1kHz tone. There will be nothing else > transmitted. So you don't > > need to look for any FSK. > > > > The 1610 signal is now off the air, but there is > more fun to be > > had. > > > > Starting this morning (Friday) at 0900 EST the > antenna testing > > will resume on 1020 kHz and will run until 0700 > Sunday morning. > > The 1020 signal will be shut down Sunday at 0700. > > > > Tuesday (Dec. 5th) look for the signal on 590 kHz > at 0900 EST and > > run until 0700 Friday (Dec. 8th). > > > > Friday will finish the antenna testing. > > Speculation is that it's a U.S. government operation > and is coming > from a military base somewhere along the > mid-Atlantic coast, most > likely in the Maryland / DC / Virginia area. > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Dec 01 12:14:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26743 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2006 20:08:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2006 20:08:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52215.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.138) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2006 20:08:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 83251 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2006 19:39:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tVZ6t9MVM1lFuMGgQRJKwHD..YpflXT9N36RsBVRyY_MZRT0_jEecEVXwKMzjUC2M43rmlBo0wIC0mEvCoVi931B6S.S5JvlpEFdjGrIlKmmpK7kcbDsGovBsb2EBc2rk7qn4sRLAgtv6zg- Received: from [12.76.217.47] by web52215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 11:39:31 PST Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 11:39:31 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <238921.44414.qm@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <277603.83069.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: The real deal on 1610 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=EwaLvX_fkOa5cVo0J63C6TGxnKenoOKpXyU2QdsnLP4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW From Kent Winrich, email him at kwinrich@gmail.com ************************************************ OK folks, here is what I can give you on the 1610 signal. First of all it is a legit and approved signal. It is for antenna testing and is running 10kW on the East Coast. It is strictly a 1kHz tone. There will be nothing else transmitted. So you dont need to look for any FSK. The 1610 signal is now off the air, but there is more fun to be had. Starting this morning (Friday) at 0900 (EST) the antenna testing will resume on 1020 and will run until 0700 Sunday morning. The 1020 signal will be shut down Sunday at 0700. Tuesday look for the signal on 590 at 0900 (EST) and run until 0700 Friday. Friday will finish the antenna testing. We would be most interested in any FIM readings you get including location, date, and time. If you dont have a FIM, an RS(T) report would be great. Again include date, time, location and a general report. Any audio reports would be fun (heck I am a DXer after all) If you have any readings from the 1610 signal, please feel free to forward them to me. I took a reading at Fayetteville, NC yesterday at 1300 EST and got a 700uV. Kent Winrich NNNN! From jimbo@burgan.net Fri Dec 01 12:54:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70455 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2006 20:45:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2006 20:45:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO qmix.com) (209.43.120.44) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2006 20:45:50 -0000 Received: from jburgan (host-69-95-183-85.ind.choiceone.net [69.95.183.85]) by qmix.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id kB1KtxG07340 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:55:59 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c71582$b1638690$9a0110ac@jburgan> To: References: Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:55:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 209.43.120.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Strong Tone on 1610 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=flyK9hIRXAaCtMDwqPBa4d2W4kKqWFBaVmdibMvhwf5CI-A X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Tom Ray wrote: > I doubt it's a station in the NYC area...we have a 1600 and a 1660, so > the Federal Candy Company wouldn't authorize a 1610 here (but I > wouldn't put it past them!). It was definately EAST of Indianapolis (it seemed a bit north of east). There aren't any un-built CP's for 1610, so it's a real mystery. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Dec 01 13:01:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44404 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2006 20:54:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2006 20:54:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2006 20:54:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 76949 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2006 20:54:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YDj1cTQVM1n3BdPnx3y9MXvWgSLGNXIOW8XN64Id8FUTwC7hFCJZtg2pfYWqKdcZzDiTxp1.QkCf4wFn2v_rShLmXse6qAEUOnGvP0cx2NpOHxHJ9fRFN_lI2tX22nSH.FH0ibOdD_w- Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 12:54:04 PST Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 12:54:04 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <431704.76049.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Really Decent Sounding AM Music !!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=Vxq6mpAbFBQU7xsq7zH67pi36KXUZUeFBPHmG7adxo70RwgTiMzc_JE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Yep, it's true - really, truly, decent-sounding music on the AM band! I was driving near Bucyrus, Ohio today, and they were playing a Percy Faith Christmas song in stereo over their CQuam station on 1540 - WBCO, and man, did it sound nice. It sounded so spectacular that I stopped the car in a parking lot so that I could hear it (as the winds are gusting from 25 to 55MPH here today!). They had more stereo Christmas music on all the way up until news time. Oh how I long for the day for small-town locally-owned AM stations broadcasting music in stereo - I almost want to move closer to their towers! BRAVO WBCO ! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 01 13:11:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14257 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2006 21:04:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2006 21:04:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2006 21:04:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 19935 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2006 19:53:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _DkuKY8VM1n7QkTaA80F1ciE2Ar707svJH_4bvrA8nVkioYbtkDxDs0C2f7IVY4aBzc5VACoQWnHGss9VypkgK8Z_MRJChpK_TtDmWy54LeLr7M3NdrsgoqjlmNyyljpAIe2b0if4xqExWrTZQOy30xdUdN4zeKmx.5vSScS8p4fKLXqhh4doA-- Received: from [74.226.219.151] by web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 11:53:24 PST Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 11:53:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20061201130429.28058.qmail@web52211.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <641222.17654.qm@web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Mystery signal on 1610 kHz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=qfbP02bbUqh_y9ooHLhAPwHMtbAsXFY0cvvfxWqry6_CThwAZI4m X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Can't wait to hear the outcome on this one, this has definitely been interesting! -Kevin --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Kevin Bell wrote: > > > Guys I hear it too on 1610 here in Greenville, > > South > > Carolina. It sounds like one of those 1kz test > > tones > > off my test CD. I have the first test CD that was > > ever put out in 1981. It has all sorts of crazy > > test > > tones and things on it. Anyway that 1610 is > strong > > and lighting up my "tune" light on my Tivoli > really > > strong. It's currently 4:45 AM here in SC so > thats > > how strong I have it right now. Annoying as hell. > > > Anyway any ideas?? > > > -Kevin > > > > Best bet is a branch of the military testing. Kent > Winrich on another list is going to let us know. > > > Powell > > NNNN! > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited From kjones_731@yahoo.com Fri Dec 01 14:42:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kjones_731@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10985 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2006 22:28:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2006 22:28:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web81908.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.187) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2006 22:28:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 4000 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2006 22:01:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Hmx7TNoVM1nkVp6M7oc1q22M22fvg3saH_lFQ9mzZxzR2d8YQUcHigLEl6OzH5tYM2yOEDMRHGWnkBBka2TIxD2hv7UeGoZeE4uMfOf8pN_15A-- Received: from [69.223.182.129] by web81908.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:01:24 PST Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:01:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <907730.2963.qm@web81908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kirk Jones Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Strong Tone on 1610 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=58737040; y=4BzlLuEcfM59PRhhVCzbPDVFrTGZJmr0KKq0Ja5IwRAitutapQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kjones_731 Does anyone know if the antenna will be on Ebay? From kjones_731@yahoo.com Fri Dec 01 15:33:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kjones_731@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2034 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2006 23:26:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2006 23:26:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.125) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2006 23:26:41 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2006 23:12:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2006 23:12:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2006 23:12:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 23:12:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.125 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.223.182.129 From: "kjones_731" Subject: 10 20 Is Active X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=58737040; y=BWzYi97WVy9gPypIcrUmqYREV9X8VeHNS-k93h4p2Nmc-j4-Fw X-Yahoo-Profile: kjones_731 Just tuned in to 1020 at 6pm est and pick up the station. Its almost=20 wipes out KDKA here in central Ohio. From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 01 16:20:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39631 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2006 00:12:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2006 00:12:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2006 00:12:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 76220 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2006 19:54:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20061201195438.76217.qmail@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: F7.kTbkVM1kiPzxksJZJFlbjhUp0nktc9hyL562d7vkdGPt2jPya6wcmZQGRETM7kYVBVb3VPRoIJ9zCgZsEPkNR4087X4HHx8YnIiKw.sWvHiJYWo2vOgwa0xYR.WPXPxZqEy3DnTJaVUcEsxFCyO60h5Pe5BdpnEJS4g7MJLF9ccsamRBAVQ-- Received: from [74.226.219.151] by web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 11:54:38 PST Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 11:54:38 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20061201145019.30776.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1070 AM WCSZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=J5tfFFHERQNn8PWZvudRlLZ_nrfZahTrW6Q0ZqIyutQEztGrx8cm X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Thanks, Powell I agree, its just a number! Take care. -Kevin --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Kevin Bell wrote: > > > Ok good thing! Hopefully they paid him too! > > > I'll find out. > > > Thanks > > Powell. Hey yall my birthday is this week, Dec > 8th! > > > > I'll be 33! > > > 33?? THIRTY THREE ?? I can't remeber that far back. > I > turned 60 on October 6. > > > All birthday wishes will be accepted! > > > Happpppy Birthdaaaay! > > > > Numbers are just that. > > > Powell > > NNNN! > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Dec 01 17:46:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22001 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2006 01:38:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2006 01:38:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2006 01:38:02 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.106.10.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.106.10] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GqJle-0006Ac-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 20:34:15 -0500 Message-ID: <005801c715b1$f8e1a2c0$0a6a5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 20:34:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 10 20 Is Active X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=7B8jts-dU54Vt9Z71W7Vrv_WToifYX4Ze3AkCTBjWrXM5z373GE6ct2_pWpodA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 The tone on 1020 is MUCH stronger than KDKA here in central Florida. I can barely hear KDKA in the background of the tone. Are you guys sure they are only using 10KW for the tone? Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "kjones_731" To: Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 6:12 PM Subject: {AMSF} 10 20 Is Active > Just tuned in to 1020 at 6pm est and pick up the station. Its almost > wipes out KDKA here in central Ohio. > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Fri Dec 01 19:36:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35345 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2006 03:28:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2006 03:28:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2006 03:28:42 -0000 Received: from [4.247.120.93] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GqLYC-000219-NR for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 22:28:32 -0500 Message-ID: <382-22006126232829984@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.3.14.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 22:28:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc5035ada0270df0535b405de2b8eb4f97350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} 10 20 Is Active X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=fP0e-UITLYWn2VlgphRZzqpXEbiWIbFUg524BfiwTxw8uA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tone on 1020 AM is steady here in Tampa at 2200 hours, however not as strong as 1610 AM signal was a day or two ago. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Possum Hunter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: 12/1/2006 8:46:09 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} 10 20 Is Active The tone on 1020 is MUCH stronger than KDKA here in central Florida. I can barely hear KDKA in the background of the tone. Are you guys sure they are only using 10KW for the tone? Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "kjones_731" To: Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 6:12 PM Subject: {AMSF} 10 20 Is Active > Just tuned in to 1020 at 6pm est and pick up the station. Its almost > wipes out KDKA here in central Ohio. > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Fri Dec 01 20:58:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6093 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2006 04:51:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2006 04:51:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flpvm23.prodigy.net) (207.115.20.53) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2006 04:51:57 -0000 X-ORBL: [75.19.182.152] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-75-19-182-152.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net [75.19.182.152]) by flpvm23.prodigy.net (8.13.7 out spool5000 dk/8.13.7) with SMTP id kB24oYnP023908 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 20:50:35 -0800 Message-ID: <000f01c715cd$6681f3a0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <382-22006126232829984@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 23:50:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0652-6, 12/01/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.20.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 10 20 Is Active X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=my_S7ukVV3ycdjWNyZmfinWFKgD5lOoHpu9jtjdH8Yk3xvw X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Tone on 1020 AM is steady here in Tampa at 2200 hours, > however not as strong as 1610 AM signal was a day or two ago. > Dick W. No tone tonight on 1610 but the 1 KHz tone on 1020 is blasting here in Central Indiana. It's creaming KDKA with is normally pretty rock-solid (in Central Indiana) at night. Weird things are going on on the MW band.... From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sat Dec 02 11:55:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18265 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2006 19:47:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2006 19:47:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2006 19:47:31 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2006 19:44:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2006 19:44:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2006 19:44:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 19:44:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <907730.2963.qm@web81908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.203.133.111 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Testing Tone on 1610, 1020 & 590 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=GILMzIbLw5U8jFMHYt0smchlw6NxQIFU3prdNJDekq8 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi to all=20 Have read all the reports about the "mysterious" tone testings going=20 on there lately! The signal reports you are giving are really=20 interesting, as you are mostly put the signal strenght of these mid=20 power tetings of only 10KW !!! ? to a stumbling category, that is=20 capable to overrun and almost whipe out, anything that is at the same=20 frequency, anywhere from east coast to at least midstates, if not=20 better saying that is clearly listenable from coast to coast! And the=20 reports showing that this is true, regardless direction, for at least=20 the East and central US!=20 Testing of an antenna! Lets see... Testing of an antenna at AM! broadcasting band, with a 10KW carrier=20 power?=20 I will be just curious if as an Electronic engineer say that I need=20 somebody to show me an antenna installation that 10Kilos of power will=20 give that efficiency of radation power...? Also can somebody show me=20 an antenna type for MW band that is capable to be tuned from one end=20 to other and, as it looks, have the same transmitting efficiency?=20 And yes the question comes up first is the one Kirk Jones wrote...=20 > Does anyone know if the antenna will be on Ebay? :)=20 Another question is, why somebody will need to run testings of an=20 antenna at the MW AM band? when satelite seems to take over=20 everything, sooner or later?=20 regards Sotiris From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Dec 02 16:37:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76406 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2006 00:31:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2006 00:31:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2006 00:31:51 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.82]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 135279916 for ; Sat, 02 Dec 2006 18:31:49 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ce01c71672$d3db5cc0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <881176.82249.qm@web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 18:34:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 3, in=6, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.82 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1070 AM WCSZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=Wpx1lX7V-iGrdlMnR5b03z0SjrGU1DGe1GaOqxJIRqdDhNJ5sLB1 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude What are you complaining about, you young twerp? ;) I'll be 49 two weeks later. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" > Ok good thing! Hopefully they paid him too! Thanks > Powell. Hey yall my birthday is this week, Dec 8th! > I'll be 33! All birthday wishes will be accepted! Ha! > Just kidding guys, it will be my birthday but i'd > rather not think about it cause the numbers are adding > up! > > From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sat Dec 02 17:11:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47799 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2006 01:03:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2006 01:03:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2006 01:03:27 -0000 Received: from [4.247.127.70] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GqfjX-0007BV-CS for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 02 Dec 2006 20:01:34 -0500 Message-ID: <382-2200612031134203@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.3.14.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 20:01:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc52ecbce6f0204502354aac189be1d79f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: RE: {AMSF} Testing Tone on 1610, 1020 & 590 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=OYQIovW_gAQf0paCJu-0vg5TvV_TNVyvcBy1xZEN3WzVSg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At approximately 1952 hours here in Tampa, I am hearing the tone on 1020, but not on 1610. The tone I'm hearing on 1020 is almost underneath a regular program. There is a lot of skip tonight down here, and stations are coming in strong on almost every AM frequency, so that's probably why the regular program is sharing the 1020 frequency with the tone. Dick W ----- Original Message ----- From: Sotiris To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: 12/2/2006 2:55:40 PM Subject: {AMSF} Testing Tone on 1610, 1020 & 590 AM Hi to all Have read all the reports about the "mysterious" tone testings going on there lately! The signal reports you are giving are really interesting, as you are mostly put the signal strenght of these mid power tetings of only 10KW !!! ? to a stumbling category, that is capable to overrun and almost whipe out, anything that is at the same frequency, anywhere from east coast to at least midstates, if not better saying that is clearly listenable from coast to coast! And the reports showing that this is true, regardless direction, for at least the East and central US! Testing of an antenna! Lets see... Testing of an antenna at AM! broadcasting band, with a 10KW carrier power? I will be just curious if as an Electronic engineer say that I need somebody to show me an antenna installation that 10Kilos of power will give that efficiency of radation power...? Also can somebody show me an antenna type for MW band that is capable to be tuned from one end to other and, as it looks, have the same transmitting efficiency? And yes the question comes up first is the one Kirk Jones wrote... > Does anyone know if the antenna will be on Ebay? :) Another question is, why somebody will need to run testings of an antenna at the MW AM band? when satelite seems to take over everything, sooner or later? regards Sotiris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Dec 02 17:27:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86121 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2006 01:22:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2006 01:22:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2006 01:22:56 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.82]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 136751349 for ; Sat, 02 Dec 2006 19:20:42 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <015601c71679$a8237b60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 19:23:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 5, in=11, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.82 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=MTeegGAjmYHOS6dHs41k4DLp-7BngbcbQy8ziFd0SuN037E_YD_J X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That's going to be a huge problem, as their blanketing contour (signals >1V/m) extends several miles. Sounds like you've created a ground loop. One part of the system is more at ground than the rest of it so it starts picking up KRLD. The new ALs should be sensitive enough to be driven directly with your iTunes without any extra amplification. If the unwanted RF is fouling up the transmitter directly, (unplug the audio device and see if you still hear them on your carrier) then you'll need to shield it in a hefty metal box- something that forms a good RF seal between the box and cover, not those cheap two-piece affairs held together with four screws on the sides. Likely you could also need to put a tuned circuit on the output of the AL which would block 1080 from hitting the output transistors of the AL. Might be some mixing there. I've heard of this happening with professional broadcast transmitters, so don't think this is something unusual. The setup you describe is illegal, though I doubt the FCC will come looking for you unless you cause some major interference to someone duly licensed. Part 15 stipulates a total of 3m (~10') TOTAL for antenna and ground lead. Some people get around this by mounting their transmitters directly to the top of tall, grounded poles or towers because according to the FCC's rather strange interpretation of their own rules, it qualifies as a ground, not a ground lead. Then they can use a full 3m antenna as there is no ground lead. BTW- if you ever try this, be sure to use a pipe of a couple inches in diameter. I'd be at a loss to explain it in layman's terms, but it will help the transmitter perform better. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas" > Hey guys... I bought one of Chris Cuff's Alfredo Lites about a month ago... and I've just > gotten around to hooking up a ground and an antenna to it. I chose to have Chris put the > 1500 kHz crystal in it... > > Here's my trouble. I live about 9 blocks away from KRLD 1080's transmitter in Garland, > TX. So KRLD is coming through my broadcast LOUDER than my iTunes generated music! > > I'm not surprised by this... KRLD shows up in odd places in my neighborhood. Most > notoriously, through the phone. (And at about 7 different frequencies on my household > radios). > > Does anyone have some recommendations for choking out the KRLD signal? > > A few specs: My Alfredo Lite is located in an upstairs room of my two-story home. I've > run a ground line down to an 8-foot ground rod that's driven about 6-and-a-half feet into > the ground (that ground rod is also connected to my home's main ground rod on the other > side of the house--to prevent arching in the event of lightning strike). I've also run some > antenna wire out my second story window and screwed it into my roof's aluminum gutter > system. The gutters don't run completely around the house... so the antenna is attached > to a length of gutter that just runs along the rear edge of the roof. And finally, I'm feeding > audio from a stereo amplifier that's hooked up to my computer. I'm tapping into the > amplifier's headphone jack with a quarter inch-to-stereo RCA cable. The RCA's, of course, > hook into the Alfredo Lite. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sat Dec 02 19:27:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37232 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2006 03:27:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2006 03:27:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.246) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2006 03:27:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2006 03:24:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2006 03:24:14 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 03:24:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <015601c71679$a8237b60$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.184.159.165 From: "Douglas" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355; y=8nAPovJMN92mEYLgWCYiuk-OKifnfqXbRCRljBk6hxdAWL8nlQ X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << The setup you describe is illegal, though I doubt the FCC will come look= ing for you unless you cause some major interference to someone duly licensed. = >> I don't want to be illegal. I'm just interested in broadcasting clean audi= o to my old wooden=20 radios and my C-Quam receivers--within the walls of my home. I don't have any interest in anyone else hearing it. Is it the antenna that's illegal? And where do I go online to get exact di= rections on keeping=20 my transsmitter legal? I looked around the Part15.us web site, but I could= n't find a page that=20 gave straight forward answers to that... From jon@kenneke.com Sat Dec 02 19:39:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon@kenneke.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14237 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2006 03:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2006 03:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenneke.com) (65.103.64.194) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2006 03:38:35 -0000 Received: from kenneke.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by kenneke.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB33aXfh006214 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 19:36:33 -0800 Received: from localhost (jon@localhost) by kenneke.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id kB33aXFU006211 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 19:36:33 -0800 Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 19:36:33 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.7.4 (kenneke.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 02 Dec 2006 19:36:33 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: 65.103.64.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: jon Subject: Radio Shack Accurian Rig X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77819664; y=QIMW5w-Qx3P5Y1fbSTqLClBFuy9g8bKBaoJJNw7F8ziLHAjjPg X-Yahoo-Profile: jonkenneke Ok, I am ready for flames. Among the many (some AMS) radios I own, I now have the new RadioSchlock HD Radio thing. I got it for the $99 deal, and am somewhat happy(ish) with it. No AM HD signals to be found, but I can receive 5 FM HD signals (and 4 of the 5 have HD 2). The radio has 36+ MB of memory, but the firmware takes little advantage of it. It does not have direct frequency access. Yup, you have to go through the whole band to tune. Of course, there are presets. Sound is ok from the built in speakers. I have not yet connected it to the "stereo". Does not have a line-out (Doh!), but the headphone jack will work. So, anyone have one that has HD AM near enough to them to receive? How does it sound? Compare it to a current AMS station. (Don't get me wrong, I not saying AM HD sounds better than AM...I have never heard AM HD, so I just don't know). Comments? Flames? Money? :) Jon From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Dec 02 19:57:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11314 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2006 03:51:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2006 03:51:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2006 03:51:51 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.82]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 134293554 for ; Sat, 02 Dec 2006 21:49:13 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c7168e$674fd240$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 21:52:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 6, in=9, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.82 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=4ARNeF9SN02QN1Rge0DQjrzsTfTp_pnWvRKajbN51mgPj8zU-ghx X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It's your antenna AND ground which are illegal- both are too long in and of themselves. However, like I said, it's unlikely the FCC will come knocking. What works in your favor is the antenna part is horizontal- it won't radiate much except into your house since the gutters are so close to the ground. At broadcast frequencies, for a horizontal antenna to really get out it would have to be hundreds of feet off the ground. Likely you won't need the ground rod. Just remember to disconnect the antenna when not using the AL. There are some websites which have the actual FCC part 15 regulations spelled out, but I don't remember what they are offhand. try www.halikainen.com and poke around there. I know he's got a lot of FCC stuff there. When you do read the part 15 rules, you may be tempted to interpret them more strictly than the FCC does- the transmitter mounted to a grounded pole example. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas" > << The setup you describe is illegal, though I doubt the FCC will come looking > for you unless you cause some major interference to someone duly licensed. >> > > I don't want to be illegal. I'm just interested in broadcasting clean audio to my old wooden > radios and my C-Quam receivers--within the walls of my home. > > I don't have any interest in anyone else hearing it. > > Is it the antenna that's illegal? And where do I go online to get exact directions on keeping > my transsmitter legal? I looked around the Part15.us web site, but I couldn't find a page that > gave straight forward answers to that... From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sat Dec 02 19:57:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88801 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2006 03:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2006 03:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.111) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2006 03:56:25 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n12.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2006 03:55:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2006 03:55:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2006 03:55:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 03:55:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.111 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.184.96.32 From: "Mike" Subject: Re: Radio Shack Accurian Rig X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087; y=AYXt0vIe9K04HQ9PqxeXVT0x7ZtmXN9PUls4IhGdtqIK5oCd X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio I think the AM section is much better than average when it comes to=20 fidelity and sensitivity. The FM is also a good performer...=20 possibly the best radio to have a Radio Shack brand name on it.=20=20 Screw the HD, I am impressed as an analog performer. But for those who must know, the AM HD works well thru noise... much=20 better than the Boston Acoustics. The FM HD works about as well as=20 the BA, but with the sensitivity of the Accurian better than the BA=20 I had (it varies from model to model) I would think that in a=20 shootout, it would snag and hold more FM's. The sound quality of the BA is by far better. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, jon wrote: > >=20 > Ok, I am ready for flames. Among the many (some AMS) radios I own,=20 I now > have the new RadioSchlock HD Radio thing. >=20 > I got it for the $99 deal, and am somewhat happy(ish) with it. No=20 AM HD > signals to be found, but I can receive 5 FM HD signals (and 4 of=20 the 5 > have HD 2). >=20 > The radio has 36+ MB of memory, but the firmware takes little=20 advantage of > it. It does not have direct frequency access. Yup, you have to go=20 through > the whole band to tune. Of course, there are presets. Sound is ok=20 from the > built in speakers. I have not yet connected it to the "stereo".=20 Does not > have a line-out (Doh!), but the headphone jack will work. >=20 > So, anyone have one that has HD AM near enough to them to receive?=20 How > does it sound? Compare it to a current AMS station. (Don't get me=20 wrong, I > not saying AM HD sounds better than AM...I have never heard AM HD,=20 so I > just don't know). >=20 > Comments? Flames? Money? >=20 > :) >=20 > Jon > From jon@kenneke.com Sat Dec 02 20:24:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon@kenneke.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87854 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2006 04:13:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2006 04:13:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenneke.com) (65.103.64.194) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2006 04:13:54 -0000 Received: from kenneke.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by kenneke.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB347l4Z006385 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 20:07:47 -0800 Received: from localhost (jon@localhost) by kenneke.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id kB347lAL006382 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 20:07:47 -0800 Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 20:07:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.7.4 (kenneke.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 02 Dec 2006 20:07:47 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: 65.103.64.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: jon Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio Shack Accurian Rig X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77819664; y=HsnlxkIxVz0Olwo2FV0BSiDBZR4nZvI9blIPghF-s9bNGe5zKQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jonkenneke With the AM loop (micro coax) that the Accurian comes with, I have not been impressed. Some folks say that it has Superradio III like qualities. I just don't know yet. The neat thing about the Accurian is that it is a software radio. Even the analog signals are DSP. With AM, I note a strange AGC effect. It reminds me of an old tube radio AGC, with one of the AGC tubes going bad. It pumps in a wierd way. There is a site out there (didn't save it), but a fellow cracked open an Accurian, and listed all the ICs in the unit. It has an AVR processor, 40 Megs of total ram, ADC, DAC, etc. etc. I didn't say in the original message is that I am using a cheap 4 element FM antenna at 15 feet with 50 feet of RG-6. Nearest FM HD signals are 60 miles away. Same with AM, which I still have not been able to receive. Of course, it's dark now, so no more playing today. Jon On Sun, 3 Dec 2006, Mike wrote: > I think the AM section is much better than average when it comes to > fidelity and sensitivity. The FM is also a good performer... > possibly the best radio to have a Radio Shack brand name on it. > Screw the HD, I am impressed as an analog performer. > > But for those who must know, the AM HD works well thru noise... much > better than the Boston Acoustics. The FM HD works about as well as > the BA, but with the sensitivity of the Accurian better than the BA > I had (it varies from model to model) I would think that in a > shootout, it would snag and hold more FM's. > > The sound quality of the BA is by far better. > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, jon wrote: > > > > > > Ok, I am ready for flames. Among the many (some AMS) radios I own, > I now > > have the new RadioSchlock HD Radio thing. > > > > I got it for the $99 deal, and am somewhat happy(ish) with it. No > AM HD > > signals to be found, but I can receive 5 FM HD signals (and 4 of > the 5 > > have HD 2). > > > > The radio has 36+ MB of memory, but the firmware takes little > advantage of > > it. It does not have direct frequency access. Yup, you have to go > through > > the whole band to tune. Of course, there are presets. Sound is ok > from the > > built in speakers. I have not yet connected it to the "stereo". > Does not > > have a line-out (Doh!), but the headphone jack will work. > > > > So, anyone have one that has HD AM near enough to them to receive? > How > > does it sound? Compare it to a current AMS station. (Don't get me > wrong, I > > not saying AM HD sounds better than AM...I have never heard AM HD, > so I > > just don't know). > > > > Comments? Flames? Money? > > > > :) > > > > Jon > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Dec 02 21:49:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42848 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2006 05:38:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2006 05:38:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao11.cox.net) (68.230.241.28) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2006 05:38:33 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao11.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061203053657.QJCG296.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 00:36:57 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id u5d71V00H2DrW980000000; Sun, 03 Dec 2006 00:37:07 -0500 In-Reply-To: <015601c71679$a8237b60$d503fea9@stodd> References: <015601c71679$a8237b60$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <62FE096C-9C39-419D-83E2-CF539FD489F1@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 21:36:56 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Radio Shack HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=rhh7fP_aFwZYg63UlhEa-tWMZnG4GilJnVxeJ2bvem5UC7Qti9xo4kj-UH_6 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Just checked the RS site ... the little HD radio is on sale again, for $124 after rebate. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sun Dec 03 08:42:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52319 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2006 16:37:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2006 16:37:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2006 16:37:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2006 16:36:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2006 16:36:45 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 16:36:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000901c7168e$674fd240$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.184.159.165 From: "Douglas" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355; y=evF6GW4HSaEgdh06UjF6XVh2gK6XFnCAJRQSrm5BTSwooEZ-9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Thanks for all the info, Scott! You've been a great help! Douglas --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > It's your antenna AND ground which are illegal- both are too long in and = of > themselves. However, like I said, it's unlikely the FCC will come knocki= ng. > What works in your favor is the antenna part is horizontal- it won't radi= ate > much except into your house since the gutters are so close to the ground. > At broadcast frequencies, for a horizontal antenna to really get out it > would have to be hundreds of feet off the ground. Likely you won't need = the > ground rod. Just remember to disconnect the antenna when not using the A= L. >=20 > There are some websites which have the actual FCC part 15 regulations > spelled out, but I don't remember what they are offhand. try > www.halikainen.com and poke around there. I know he's got a lot of FCC > stuff there. When you do read the part 15 rules, you may be tempted to > interpret them more strictly than the FCC does- the transmitter mounted t= o a > grounded pole example. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Douglas" >=20 > > << The setup you describe is illegal, though I doubt the FCC will come > looking > > for you unless you cause some major interference to someone duly licens= ed. > >> > > > > I don't want to be illegal. I'm just interested in broadcasting clean > audio to my old wooden > > radios and my C-Quam receivers--within the walls of my home. > > > > I don't have any interest in anyone else hearing it. > > > > Is it the antenna that's illegal? And where do I go online to get exac= t > directions on keeping > > my transsmitter legal? I looked around the Part15.us web site, but I > couldn't find a page that > > gave straight forward answers to that... > From droland66@yahoo.com Sun Dec 03 17:41:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98012 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2006 01:41:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2006 01:41:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2006 01:41:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2006 01:38:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2006 01:38:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 01:38:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <017d01c714a9$c42fe450$9b6d5b04@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.62.179.16 From: "david roland" Subject: {AMSF} Re:Questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=FwB6luvUbFSiCqGLO_qfJ31HzfYuntCiDKieJfWAEY9UESuk X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 i'll bet the electric bill would be prohibitively expensive now!=20=20 500 kW is huge!!! they'd need a paddle wheel in the Ohio river to=20 provide free power, LOL. you could probably pick WLW up a long way=20 off with just a crystal radio set. btw, i also remember reading an=20 article about how WLW put their '27 westinghouse transmitter online=20 briefly to bring in y2k. had i known they were going to be doing=20 that before the fact, i would have definitely tuned in since i lived=20 in Cincinnati at the time. there was another station call "Real=20 Jazz 740" that had a sweet AM stereo signal and sounded GREAT in=20 mono on an older tube radio right up until they switched to Catholic=20 radio in about 2001. i have an old plastic housed mono tube AM/FM=20 (with AFC) radio that sounds superb when an AM station allows the=20 sound engineers to do their thing. since 740 was fairly weak and=20 was a commercial free public station, they were able to really focus=20 on audio quality over distance. at one time, their broadcast booth=20 was on a paddle boat that made circles in the Ohio river all day=20 between Newport, Kentucky and Cincinnati. dave --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > david roland wrote: > > Just curious, was the WLW 500,000 watt signal able to be decoded=20 on the=20 > > other side of the world? that's a huge signal! >=20 > It was very strong in HI when at full power. > > > > i remember when i lived in cincinnati reading an article in the=20 Enquirer=20 > > about how the signal caused metal barn roofs to resonate. >=20 > At the local power company, they could watch their meters bounce=20 to the=20 > modulation of WLW! >=20 > I think with Homeland Security the way it is, we should bring back=20 the=20 > Super-Power AMs. >=20 > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a=20 mathematical=20 > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. -=20 Leonard Kahn > From droland66@yahoo.com Sun Dec 03 17:44:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49848 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2006 01:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2006 01:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.135) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2006 01:38:25 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2006 01:38:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2006 01:38:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2006 01:38:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 01:38:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <017d01c714a9$c42fe450$9b6d5b04@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.62.179.16 From: "david roland" Subject: {AMSF} Re:Questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=EdFjqIDrn2as9u_rh3UhFCf5DuYu6IqfnfFjPSMIEBGLDIXB X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 i'll bet the electric bill would be prohibitively expensive now!=20=20 500 kW is huge!!! they'd need a paddle wheel in the Ohio river to=20 provide free power, LOL. you could probably pick WLW up a long way=20 off with just a crystal radio set. btw, i also remember reading an=20 article about how WLW put their '27 westinghouse transmitter online=20 briefly to bring in y2k. had i known they were going to be doing=20 that before the fact, i would have definitely tuned in since i lived=20 in Cincinnati at the time. there was another station call "Real=20 Jazz 740" that had a sweet AM stereo signal and sounded GREAT in=20 mono on an older tube radio right up until they switched to Catholic=20 radio in about 2001. i have an old plastic housed mono tube AM/FM=20 (with AFC) radio that sounds superb when an AM station allows the=20 sound engineers to do their thing. since 740 was fairly weak and=20 was a commercial free public station, they were able to really focus=20 on audio quality over distance. at one time, their broadcast booth=20 was on a paddle boat that made circles in the Ohio river all day=20 between Newport, Kentucky and Cincinnati. dave --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > david roland wrote: > > Just curious, was the WLW 500,000 watt signal able to be decoded=20 on the=20 > > other side of the world? that's a huge signal! >=20 > It was very strong in HI when at full power. > > > > i remember when i lived in cincinnati reading an article in the=20 Enquirer=20 > > about how the signal caused metal barn roofs to resonate. >=20 > At the local power company, they could watch their meters bounce=20 to the=20 > modulation of WLW! >=20 > I think with Homeland Security the way it is, we should bring back=20 the=20 > Super-Power AMs. >=20 > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a=20 mathematical=20 > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. -=20 Leonard Kahn > From w6yn@juno.com Sun Dec 03 19:36:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70911 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2006 03:31:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2006 03:31:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2006 03:31:21 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABCZHFP5AVLPSW2 for (sender ); Sun, 3 Dec 2006 19:27:55 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLCJ8yvVGuUHnaIATjps7GOg= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id L8QE334T; Sun, 03 Dec 2006 19:27:20 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 19:26:18 -0800 Message-ID: <20061203.192620.3392.4.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.49 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ContentStamp: 13:6:256303798 X-MAIL-INFO:3db3fe57e7e767d7676ffe472347df8aea6b0b170b03eeb76b9ea31f4f0faefb0b7ace1bd79b0bd70a67ee67ce47d76f030e23e35e5edff7abab63abdadb3ada9a4acb021f5a43338a2a4b9b77bb93839f7e8bbb2a775e5fda7edaab3ac3a71f7edffafabf9adf8acbde8a9a7b9af36a279f77fa8a178e0ff30f6bae1727cee76e2e0b270fae7b47ab2b0fd74767b3032f4e2b4e2a7f0e8f879ec77b6f4b835a0e5a1f9b4b87ef073fcbba13ef33878783aaabaa3333fefa332a1adff79ade8afa8aced3ca4ac73f83abdac38b17ca17cbeac3c79e0f1e8feea3eeeb6beb177aae1ea3f7239e571b7feb6f472b232b7ee70302 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Shack Accurian Rig X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=neRQ99ouVNQKbkeJ3-t5PIKse2VWDBa5cg6-o8l8LA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone looked at the iBiquity web site lately? There are only FM "HD" stations listed. NOT ONE AM station is listed! Not even WOR. Hmmmmm. What is going on? Don On Sat, 2 Dec 2006 19:36:33 -0800 (PST) jon writes: > > Ok, I am ready for flames. Among the many (some AMS) radios I own, I > now > have the new RadioSchlock HD Radio thing. > > I got it for the $99 deal, and am somewhat happy(ish) with it. No AM > HD > signals to be found, but I can receive 5 FM HD signals (and 4 of the > 5 > have HD 2). > > The radio has 36+ MB of memory, but the firmware takes little > advantage of > it. It does not have direct frequency access. Yup, you have to go > through > the whole band to tune. Of course, there are presets. Sound is ok > from the > built in speakers. I have not yet connected it to the "stereo". Does > not > have a line-out (Doh!), but the headphone jack will work. > > So, anyone have one that has HD AM near enough to them to receive? > How > does it sound? Compare it to a current AMS station. (Don't get me > wrong, I > not saying AM HD sounds better than AM...I have never heard AM HD, > so I > just don't know). > > Comments? Flames? Money? > > :) > > Jon > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Sun Dec 03 22:41:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6292 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2006 06:35:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2006 06:35:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2006 06:35:12 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABCZHNYNANUSGAS for (sender ); Sun, 3 Dec 2006 21:31:56 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLFZxxSRUPzzNkBN/tg+5W+c= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id L8QM6QJN; Sun, 03 Dec 2006 21:31:06 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 21:30:27 -0800 Message-ID: <20061203.213052.3392.11.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.49 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ContentStamp: 10:5:1826858935 X-MAIL-INFO:52a1918459edd980b590d96059ed5174e50dc49405d97575d471d9612df0617124710081 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Fw: Re: {AMSF} Radio Shack Accurian Rig X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=NukUvgDUgXhOjTgq0BUY6wjcgn7Yf1pngOVoGFpo4Q X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I took another look and the AM station listings are back. They must have been updating their list. Don ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury Anyone looked at the iBiquity web site lately? There are only FM "HD" stations listed. NOT ONE AM station is listed! Not even WOR. Hmmmmm. What is going on? Don On Sat, 2 Dec 2006 19:36:33 -0800 (PST) jon writes: > > Ok, I am ready for flames. Among the many (some AMS) radios I own, I > now > have the new RadioSchlock HD Radio thing. > > I got it for the $99 deal, and am somewhat happy(ish) with it. No AM > HD > signals to be found, but I can receive 5 FM HD signals (and 4 of the > 5 > have HD 2). > > The radio has 36+ MB of memory, but the firmware takes little > advantage of > it. It does not have direct frequency access. Yup, you have to go > through > the whole band to tune. Of course, there are presets. Sound is ok > from the > built in speakers. I have not yet connected it to the "stereo". Does > not > have a line-out (Doh!), but the headphone jack will work. > > So, anyone have one that has HD AM near enough to them to receive? > How > does it sound? Compare it to a current AMS station. (Don't get me > wrong, I > not saying AM HD sounds better than AM...I have never heard AM HD, > so I > just don't know). > > Comments? Flames? Money? > > :) > > Jon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 04 08:48:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20209 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2006 16:44:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2006 16:44:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.40) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2006 16:43:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 85646 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Dec 2006 16:38:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QxXNx8YVM1mL594g1BF9QJqzq3MxAsXf2kBGQTcu99vnuhTAdp3jLkGCOhYelhiKCU1IYODz9EX7fnYcXuliEuurnR4mpIsQ45czdUJ8RBkouzUEQISkFkMJ8vA0E710xUXGg7hNd6uR3CnwqTlqcYfdjAG1BAy8A5uDHpWosX7D7WLXESagRw-- Received: from [74.226.219.151] by web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 08:38:26 PST Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 08:38:26 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20254.84854.qm@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: 1070 WCSZ and Other things X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=SxRzt2-Ot7COif_5G5ZDvVo2_lP1KkJhCj_P6eXStJ19wpC3P0jK X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Well it's monday and they still dont have that stereo/mono problem. Uggh I just heard the papa's of the mama's and papa's. Thats all you could hear were the guys singing, none of the women. How annoying! Hope they get it fixed soon! Oh as for the "tone" I checked on 1020 last night and I couldn't hear a tone. I did however hear something odd this morning on the local news/talk station WORD 1330 AM. I caught the tail end of it but they were talking about the military testing radio signals at night, something about homeland defense. Apparently it is causing peoples garage doors to open and close. Now correct me if I am wrong but aren't those on the megahertz frequencies and not kilohertz like AM? I doubt it is the same thing that we've been noticing because I didn't think garage door openers were on the AM band frequencies. Anyway it was interesting what I caught of it. Somethings going on out there and at least we know that! Heres my guess. Since that testing they were discussing had to do with homeland security then perhaps they are also testing AM for purposes of establishing a long distance powerful station to alert folks with, sorta like the old civil defense frequencies on AM. I've seen some of the old hold portable radios with the civil defense triangle on the dial denoting that as a station to listen to for information. Perhaps they are revamping something like that. Who knows. It is interesting conversation though. Well hope all is well guys. Take care. -Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Dec 04 08:53:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31650 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2006 16:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2006 16:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2006 16:43:12 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.254.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.254] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GrGty-0003xi-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 11:42:46 -0500 Message-ID: <011a01c717c3$38e10100$fe6b5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:42:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:Questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=_rUFJiwf_xlWL4hFV7sJmrX7S1b6NbKX5zlcIZaJlLXzhwdvCPO0qjzP5W0xNQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 david roland wrote: > i'll bet the electric bill would be prohibitively expensive now! 500 kW is > huge!!! Electricty is actually MUCH cheaper than it was back in the day. That coupled with the fact a modern digitally modulated transmitter uses less electric power at 500KW than the old tube monster would use at 50KW, I am sure Clear Channel could find it within their budget to pay the power bill. > > i also remember reading an article about how WLW put their '27 > westinghouse transmitter online briefly to bring in y2k. What they failed to write about is the old Westinghouse transmitter sounds BETTER then the new rig sounds! LOL Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From tomray@wor710.com Mon Dec 04 09:41:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59847 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2006 17:41:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2006 17:41:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2006 17:41:59 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2006 17:40:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2006 17:40:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2006 17:40:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 17:40:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20061203.192620.3392.4.w6yn@juno.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Radio Shack Accurian Rig X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=VBq7mi5kWGiDjatI4QajDlET0gxQgJA1p6lIaKvDNtkCd3_Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don Milbury =20 wrote: > > Anyone looked at the iBiquity web site lately? >=20 > There are only FM "HD" stations listed.=20 >=20 > NOT ONE AM station is listed! Not even WOR. >=20 > Hmmmmm. What is going on? >=20 > Don >=20 Don: You must be looking at your monitor sideways. Go to "find a=20 station". We are listed right there under NY/NY City. They list=20 the FM's first followed by the AM's. I checked. AM stations ARE=20 listed. Tom Ray WOR From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon Dec 04 09:50:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72430 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2006 17:44:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2006 17:44:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.25) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2006 17:44:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2006 17:42:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2006 17:42:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 17:42:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.184.96.32 From: "Mike" Subject: Re: Radio Shack Accurian Rig X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087; y=wdp0U_sqoNGG7kCrwzTrnLA8adewx4qQYbZXfYb8uHtq6JyB X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, jon wrote: > With AM, I note a strange AGC effect. It reminds me of an old tube=20 radio > AGC, with one of the AGC tubes going bad. It pumps in a wierd way. >=20 Yes, the AGC is odd on the AM, not smooth... but it is very=20 sensitive. If they could calm the AGC down, I would say it is just as=20 hot as the GE SRIII From jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 04 13:23:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33145 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2006 21:23:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2006 21:23:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.124) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2006 21:23:51 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2006 21:22:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2006 21:22:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2006 21:22:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 21:22:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20254.84854.qm@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.124 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.149.214.157 From: "Jeff" Subject: Re: 1070 WCSZ and Other things X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=236606698; y=wSR2mCTQ4LFKwgh0_oQe6iu4N7kYg57sxNWYmtjvj28jZ1p5_fIxh452J9wQPFflws0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeff7472000 Hi, Kevin: On the MSN home page, it tells about the false triggering=20 of garage door openers, and it's coming from a military transmission=20 facility in Colorado Springs, the next state west of mine (Kansas),=20 so yes it is a safe bet that it is not the experimental AM=20 transmitter that's been operating at 1610, 1020 and next 590 khz. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 wrote: > > Well it's monday and they still dont have that > stereo/mono problem. Uggh I just heard the papa's of > the mama's and papa's. Thats all you could hear were > the guys singing, none of the women. How annoying!=20 > Hope they get it fixed soon! Oh as for the "tone" I > checked on 1020 last night and I couldn't hear a tone. > I did however hear something odd this morning on the > local news/talk station WORD 1330 AM. I caught the > tail end of it but they were talking about the > military testing radio signals at night, something > about homeland defense. Apparently it is causing > peoples garage doors to open and close. Now correct > me if I am wrong but aren't those on the megahertz > frequencies and not kilohertz like AM? I doubt it is > the same thing that we've been noticing because I > didn't think garage door openers were on the AM band > frequencies. Anyway it was interesting what I caught > of it. Somethings going on out there and at least we > know that! Heres my guess. Since that testing they > were discussing had to do with homeland security then > perhaps they are also testing AM for purposes of > establishing a long distance powerful station to alert > folks with, sorta like the old civil defense > frequencies on AM. I've seen some of the old hold > portable radios with the civil defense triangle on the > dial denoting that as a station to listen to for > information. Perhaps they are revamping something > like that. Who knows. It is interesting conversation > though. Well hope all is well guys. Take care. >=20 > -Kevin >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Want to start your own business? > Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index > From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 04 15:12:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9816 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2006 23:10:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2006 23:10:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.34) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2006 23:10:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 79906 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Dec 2006 23:09:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20061204230945.79904.qmail@web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: SD0bd.oVM1k5XQsZ8Jj7djEFT.RXKxTVSjeS6TNsdriTEnuzFfM_5VkqAqH3yML06Q-- Received: from [74.226.219.151] by web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 15:09:45 PST Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:09:45 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1070 WCSZ and Other things X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=iLMwzgNKC7sdNj1z4VJmqvQNrjIqWzPVfkfhB0iZScy28yaOxRUg X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Jeff, I do believe though that someone mentioned our AM thing being something military. Someone had mentioned it. I figure if it is it's some sort of homeland defense thing sorta like the old civil defense stations were in the 50s and 60s. Who knows? Ha! It is interesting you have to admit! Wonder where the tone will be tonight? Has anyone been able to locate where any of them are coming from? -Kevin --- Jeff wrote: > Hi, Kevin: On the MSN home page, it tells about the > false triggering > of garage door openers, and it's coming from a > military transmission > facility in Colorado Springs, the next state west of > mine (Kansas), > so yes it is a safe bet that it is not the > experimental AM > transmitter that's been operating at 1610, 1020 and > next 590 khz. > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell > > wrote: > > > > Well it's monday and they still dont have that > > stereo/mono problem. Uggh I just heard the papa's > of > > the mama's and papa's. Thats all you could hear > were > > the guys singing, none of the women. How > annoying! > > Hope they get it fixed soon! Oh as for the "tone" > I > > checked on 1020 last night and I couldn't hear a > tone. > > I did however hear something odd this morning on > the > > local news/talk station WORD 1330 AM. I caught > the > > tail end of it but they were talking about the > > military testing radio signals at night, something > > about homeland defense. Apparently it is causing > > peoples garage doors to open and close. Now > correct > > me if I am wrong but aren't those on the megahertz > > frequencies and not kilohertz like AM? I doubt it > is > > the same thing that we've been noticing because I > > didn't think garage door openers were on the AM > band > > frequencies. Anyway it was interesting what I > caught > > of it. Somethings going on out there and at least > we > > know that! Heres my guess. Since that testing > they > > were discussing had to do with homeland security > then > > perhaps they are also testing AM for purposes of > > establishing a long distance powerful station to > alert > > folks with, sorta like the old civil defense > > frequencies on AM. I've seen some of the old hold > > portable radios with the civil defense triangle on > the > > dial denoting that as a station to listen to for > > information. Perhaps they are revamping something > > like that. Who knows. It is interesting > conversation > > though. Well hope all is well guys. Take care. > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > > Want to start your own business? > > Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From jimbo@burgan.net Mon Dec 04 16:38:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46520 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2006 00:34:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2006 00:34:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flpi102.sbcis.sbc.com) (207.115.20.71) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2006 00:34:21 -0000 X-ORBL: [75.19.182.152] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-75-19-182-152.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net [75.19.182.152]) by flpi102.sbcis.sbc.com (8.13.7 out spool5000 dk/8.13.7) with SMTP id kB50VaOt023079 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 16:31:36 -0800 Message-ID: <001901c71804$b9ac6f90$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <20061204230945.79904.qmail@web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 19:31:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0653-2, 12/04/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.20.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1070 WCSZ and Other things X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=KQXOLWhqR7uak_3SgVBHhuVj5Ne7jw3vYeSKLxuk8ixHRM8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > I do believe though that someone mentioned our AM > thing being something military. Someone had mentioned > it. I figure if it is it's some sort of homeland > defense thing sorta like the old civil defense > stations were in the 50s and 60s. Who knows? Ha! It > is interesting you have to admit! Wonder where the > tone will be tonight? Has anyone been able to locate > where any of them are coming from? All I can say is the tone on 1610 KHz and the one on 1020KHz seemed to be approx the same strength, and both were either East or West of Indianapolis, most likely East, and slightly north of East. I'll scan the band later tonight. -Jim- From bob_welch550@yahoo.com Tue Dec 05 22:45:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bob_welch550@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95713 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2006 06:41:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2006 06:41:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.135) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2006 06:41:42 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2006 06:40:36 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2006 06:40:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2006 06:40:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 06:40:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.72.98.89 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Someone's on full-power at 1030 past their "bedtime" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213592090; y=6lZAygSpyYHttRgLalU-WwAcdO_jXp5tCgw6iREMTIggKJd48FXl X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Hi there, I'm wondering if someone can find for me a radio station located=20 down the east coast who is staying on their day-pattern and day=20 power past not only sunset.. but, past 6pm as well. My friends at=20 WBZ are wanting to know. Whatever station it is... they're being=20 heard in Central Massachusetts as late as 9:30pm Eastern Time. It=20 sounds like there's a "peanut gallery" has the cheap seats in the=20 back row in the theatre. I was even hearing it at 3am Eastern. Whomever they are... they're bold. WBZ is #1 in New England, and #1=20 by quite a few fine folks living 100s of miles outside New England=20 at night. I was hearing ABC's Network Sports summary at 6:05pm EST as I was=20 entering Winchendon, MA from Fitzwilliam, NH on Rte 12. WBZ doesn't=20 air this program... but, it was heard just as loud as WBZ's signal=20 and just as on frequency. Whatever the signal is... it's making the=20 trip up to hometurf of "The Spirit of New England." I'm just trying=20 to help out my friends at WBZ. Bob Welch WDEV- Waterbury, VT From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Dec 06 05:32:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50897 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2006 13:30:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2006 13:30:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s16.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2006 13:30:57 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.98]) by bay0-omc1-s16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 05:29:03 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 05:29:02 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:28:58 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:28:58 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2006 13:29:02.0861 (UTC) FILETIME=[7EBF43D0:01C7193A] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Someone's on full-power at 1030 past their "bedtime" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=WJkmhnnI4McdpO8dLWZRHmUtnzIC9m9x4_r4zLosecm20Gk9ki_8eq_HFMI X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo The only 1030 in Peninsula Florida, is a Spanish language station in an Orlando suburb, which is under a construction permit to increase their power. I'm assuming from your post, the station programs English. Are you able to narrow down the time zone, from a time given at the top of the hour? Donn, St Petersburg,FL ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Bob Welch" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Someone's on full-power at 1030 past their "bedtime" Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 06:40:35 -0000 Hi there, I'm wondering if someone can find for me a radio station located down the east coast who is staying on their day-pattern and day power past not only sunset.. but, past 6pm as well. My friends at WBZ are wanting to know. Whatever station it is... they're being heard in Central Massachusetts as late as 9:30pm Eastern Time. It sounds like there's a "peanut gallery" has the cheap seats in the back row in the theatre. I was even hearing it at 3am Eastern. Whomever they are... they're bold. WBZ is #1 in New England, and #1 by quite a few fine folks living 100s of miles outside New England at night. I was hearing ABC's Network Sports summary at 6:05pm EST as I was entering Winchendon, MA from Fitzwilliam, NH on Rte 12. WBZ doesn't air this program... but, it was heard just as loud as WBZ's signal and just as on frequency. Whatever the signal is... it's making the trip up to hometurf of "The Spirit of New England." I'm just trying to help out my friends at WBZ. Bob Welch WDEV- Waterbury, VT From amfmtech@yahoo.com Wed Dec 06 14:43:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43633 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2006 22:43:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2006 22:43:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56814.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.88) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2006 22:43:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 59562 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Dec 2006 22:43:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20061206224310.59560.qmail@web56814.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: E938HoEVM1kDETTMBVh1zA.kEBgBOw4O7bY42UtbYZS.PYOAyAJIALsCFZhcMUAfldOd27BtIXdJ7zND1.TXLlYqlAsPvK.4DNfnufRpuRv0D87xFFQJ94EH4YkP3GSzHkQ1mB.F639vlm8- Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56814.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 14:43:10 PST Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 14:43:10 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Someone's on full-power at 1030 past their "bedtime" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=hrpt_dUEfuCvNqRJmdpI1ub2NBqliprGQH6o_nqVP16cJtE X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's not WUFL in Sterling Heights MI. They are a local to me and seem to be good boys for the time. My guess would be to look at WONQ as they have been reported in the past on without making night power change. Anyone in FL confirm this? ...Harold Bob Welch wrote: Hi there, I'm wondering if someone can find for me a radio station located down the east coast who is staying on their day-pattern and day power past not only sunset.. but, past 6pm as well. My friends at WBZ are wanting to know. Whatever station it is... they're being heard in Central Massachusetts as late as 9:30pm Eastern Time. It sounds like there's a "peanut gallery" has the cheap seats in the back row in the theatre. I was even hearing it at 3am Eastern. Whomever they are... they're bold. WBZ is #1 in New England, and #1 by quite a few fine folks living 100s of miles outside New England at night. I was hearing ABC's Network Sports summary at 6:05pm EST as I was entering Winchendon, MA from Fitzwilliam, NH on Rte 12. WBZ doesn't air this program... but, it was heard just as loud as WBZ's signal and just as on frequency. Whatever the signal is... it's making the trip up to hometurf of "The Spirit of New England." I'm just trying to help out my friends at WBZ. Bob Welch WDEV- Waterbury, VT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Dec 06 15:26:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7643 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2006 23:24:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2006 23:24:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.173) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2006 23:24:35 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.81]) by bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:23:23 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:23:22 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 23:23:16 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 23:23:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2006 23:23:22.0465 (UTC) FILETIME=[85870510:01C7198D] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Someone's on full-power at 1030 past their "bedtime" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=MDAW6wXvM02JrN95M6gtQtMSNDyzcSRRTNGh6rmZR14KDRaI69-81jzSNf8 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo WONQ 1030 - Oviedo (an Orlando suburb) is past the CP process and is 45,000 watts day and 1700 watts day, so it very well could be their 45,000 watt daytime signal, if the music is Salsa and the announcers are speaking Spanish. I am in their nighttime null and and being about 125 miles s.w. of them, I should not be able to receive them at night with a 1700 watt signal and being in the null. It's six minutes past 6pm here, apparently they powered down tonight as I can not pick them up on 1030, tried several radios, including my GE Superadio III and car radio. Donn, it's now 620/1820 and still not receiving WONQ, local sunset this month for Orlando area stations is 5:30pm, so WONQ is not the culprit, at least not tonight. ----Original Message Follows---- From: Harold Richards Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Someone's on full-power at 1030 past their "bedtime" Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 14:43:10 -0800 (PST) It's not WUFL in Sterling Heights MI. They are a local to me and seem to be good boys for the time. My guess would be to look at WONQ as they have been reported in the past on without making night power change. Anyone in FL confirm this? ...Harold Bob Welch wrote: Hi there, I'm wondering if someone can find for me a radio station located down the east coast who is staying on their day-pattern and day power past not only sunset.. but, past 6pm as well. My friends at WBZ are wanting to know. Whatever station it is... they're being heard in Central Massachusetts as late as 9:30pm Eastern Time. It sounds like there's a "peanut gallery" has the cheap seats in the back row in the theatre. I was even hearing it at 3am Eastern. Whomever they are... they're bold. WBZ is #1 in New England, and #1 by quite a few fine folks living 100s of miles outside New England at night. I was hearing ABC's Network Sports summary at 6:05pm EST as I was entering Winchendon, MA from Fitzwilliam, NH on Rte 12. WBZ doesn't air this program... but, it was heard just as loud as WBZ's signal and just as on frequency. Whatever the signal is... it's making the trip up to hometurf of "The Spirit of New England." I'm just trying to help out my friends at WBZ. Bob Welch WDEV- Waterbury, VT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Dec 06 16:51:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27400 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2006 00:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2006 00:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2006 00:51:30 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.221.31]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 138357928 for ; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 18:49:39 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004f01c7199a$0101c660$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <011a01c717c3$38e10100$fe6b5b04@PossumHunter> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 18:52:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.221.31 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:Questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=izP0p0InLdWp5ooDptRMTmb7U9XaaTqhAUrDJ0m-_Ux9RTlJTXgs X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Except it wasn't a Westinghouse, it's a Western Electric. IIRC one of the very first 50kW transmitters made. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > > i also remember reading an article about how WLW put their '27 > > westinghouse transmitter online briefly to bring in y2k. > > What they failed to write about is the old Westinghouse transmitter sounds > BETTER then the new rig sounds! LOL > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Dec 07 05:34:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96726 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2006 13:34:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2006 13:34:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2006 13:34:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 37033 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Dec 2006 13:33:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20061207133355.37031.qmail@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 61uAu24VM1nnJaCkICrtXHe0itMQmXaKdbmwn_l91frWoPKxm4WolXt47vu83uhppH0i0ce7QfSYnFib4J7TpSHD2wXW6jTJTV1CrXgbZuP8nDvboYRAie8JpBFii.gRhR8rMKsx7Q-- Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Dec 2006 05:33:55 PST Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 05:33:55 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: WLW Questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=S8_YkS7XFYHYDwiDLil8u7UCQFHgNyqrxZ43P5tP0rf4CzQonsAWtUY X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio IIRC, I saw a picture one time of the nameplate on the WLW 500,000 W transmitter with serial number 0001. Wasn't it Paul Jellison(?) who sat overnight at the WLW transmitter site on New Year's Eve 1999-2000 with the old 1929 transmitter fired-up? I wish I would have known about it so I could have taped the audio up here. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Dec 07 09:27:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7533 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2006 17:25:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2006 17:25:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52214.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.137) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2006 17:25:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 88947 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Dec 2006 17:24:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Z2vodZoVM1nzeqPw67H_2CRXGM1BWvONtM2oazQ6rLoOV2eigygoDYQFikUf9aOGpAjWLW_JCFYa9VxoOp_iwWfyidZM39_U6GZpbCbVXNfsWqZfbH3yj4Abh6oWlFLxg5RSOJXAu.nuTw-- Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web52214.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Dec 2006 09:24:58 PST Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 09:24:58 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20061207133355.37031.qmail@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <341920.88516.qm@web52214.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WLW Questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=L4TIEE_WLsCf7f7bGEm2SyQj5iw3Gg-qVgoSCiIPiog X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "John P." wrote: > IIRC, I saw a picture one time of the nameplate on > the WLW 500,000 W > transmitter with serial number 0001. > > Wasn't it Paul Jellison(?) who sat overnight at the > WLW transmitter > site on New Year's Eve 1999-2000 with the old 1929 > transmitter > fired-up? I wish I would have known about it so I > could have taped the > audio up here. Indeed it was. Paul is now regional engineering director in the Denver area. Powell NNNN! From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Dec 07 10:51:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89874 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2006 18:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2006 18:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.163) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2006 18:50:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 67519 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Dec 2006 18:50:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20061207185031.67517.qmail@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: WRVeATYVM1niYQWBUkgj2IzeK7VAUMOnaVU_nC11 Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Dec 2006 10:50:30 PST Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 10:50:30 -0800 (PST) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: New York HD Radio Testing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=sh_UCVK3oQjtb1mi3Ig-7lTMSK_X3e8NJQ-VV0DTDif_oiifpABg0Cc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio The New York Times did their own HD radio testing, and here's a link below to their results: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/06/technology/circuits/06radi.html?ex=1166158800&en=f0819f4104f1e560&ei=5070&emc=eta1 > > TECHNOLOGY / CIRCUITS | December 6, 2006 > Tuning In: Radio Stations Add Personalities, Digitally > By GLENN FLEISHMAN > A treat for listeners for the same digital clarity heard on CDs. > > http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/06/technology/circuits/06radi.html?ex=1166158800&en=f0819f4104f1e560&ei=5070&emc=eta1 > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com From bob_welch550@yahoo.com Thu Dec 07 12:04:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bob_welch550@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43619 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2006 19:51:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2006 19:51:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2006 19:51:51 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2006 19:50:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2006 19:50:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2006 19:50:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 19:49:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.72.98.91 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Someone's on full-power at 1030 past their "bedtime" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213592090; y=VHg8kMB9ruR29TiR5Fp8vNnvZxWbKCqapAxo7EzlRmJVNEjJ1Dwn X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Thanks to all of you trying to help determine the 1030 on in day=20 pattern past their bedtime. The alleged station is WBGS Point=20 Pleasant, WV. Last night it was making Steve Levellie's all night=20 show sound wobbly and I'm at my parent's house currently... the time=20 3am. One station I'm glad I have nothing to do with right now is=20 that station. If they are indeed the guilty party. But, at this=20 point, it's not sounding too good for WBGS, Point Pleasant, WV. Bob WDEV-Radio Vermont Waterbury, VT --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman"=20 wrote: > > WONQ 1030 - Oviedo (an Orlando suburb) is past the CP process and=20 is 45,000=20 > watts day and 1700 watts day, so it very well could be their=20 45,000 watt=20 > daytime signal, if the music is Salsa and the announcers are=20 speaking=20 > Spanish. >=20 > I am in their nighttime null and and being about 125 miles s.w. of=20 them, I=20 > should not be able to receive them at night with a 1700 watt=20 signal and=20 > being in the null. >=20 > It's six minutes past 6pm here, apparently they powered down=20 tonight as I=20 > can not pick them up on 1030, tried several radios, including my=20 GE=20 > Superadio III and car radio. >=20 > Donn, >=20 > it's now 620/1820 and still not receiving WONQ, local sunset this=20 month for=20 > Orlando area stations is 5:30pm, so WONQ is not the culprit, at=20 least not=20 > tonight. >=20 >=20 >=20 > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Harold Richards > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Someone's on full-power at 1030 past=20 their "bedtime" > Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 14:43:10 -0800 (PST) >=20 > It's not WUFL in Sterling Heights MI. They are a local to me and=20 seem to be=20 > good boys for the time. >=20 > My guess would be to look at WONQ as they have been reported in=20 the past=20 > on without making night power change. Anyone in FL confirm this? >=20 > ...Harold >=20 > Bob Welch wrote: > Hi there, >=20 > I'm wondering if someone can find for me a radio station located > down the east coast who is staying on their day-pattern and day > power past not only sunset.. but, past 6pm as well. My friends at > WBZ are wanting to know. Whatever station it is... they're being > heard in Central Massachusetts as late as 9:30pm Eastern Time. It > sounds like there's a "peanut gallery" has the cheap seats in the > back row in the theatre. I was even hearing it at 3am Eastern. >=20 > Whomever they are... they're bold. WBZ is #1 in New England, and #1 > by quite a few fine folks living 100s of miles outside New England > at night. >=20 > I was hearing ABC's Network Sports summary at 6:05pm EST as I was > entering Winchendon, MA from Fitzwilliam, NH on Rte 12. WBZ doesn't > air this program... but, it was heard just as loud as WBZ's signal > and just as on frequency. Whatever the signal is... it's making the > trip up to hometurf of "The Spirit of New England." I'm just trying > to help out my friends at WBZ. >=20 > Bob Welch > WDEV- Waterbury, VT >=20 >=20 >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --------------------------------- > Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mark_608@hotmail.com Fri Dec 08 06:00:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81907 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2006 14:00:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2006 14:00:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.161) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2006 14:00:15 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.11.87]) by bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 8 Dec 2006 05:59:52 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 05:59:51 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 207.46.11.123 by by123fd.bay123.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 08 Dec 2006 13:59:49 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mark_608@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20061206224310.59560.qmail@web56814.mail.re3.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 08:59:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2006 13:59:51.0350 (UTC) FILETIME=[215BCD60:01C71AD1] Return-Path: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Mark Sundquist" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Someone's on full-power at 1030 past their "bedtime" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3850332; y=vPd2ugQ3mkZqvai-qmmvBoqvyslw8OxFEJcuM0_JzHVIU4w X-Yahoo-Profile: mark_608 You live around Sterling Heights? I grew up in the 19 Mile and Schoenherr area, although I now live in Warren... Great reception of CFCO from around here... :) Mark >From: Harold Richards >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Someone's on full-power at 1030 past their "bedtime" >Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 14:43:10 -0800 (PST) > >It's not WUFL in Sterling Heights MI. They are a local to me and seem to >be good boys for the time. > > My guess would be to look at WONQ as they have been reported in the past >on without making night power change. Anyone in FL confirm this? > > ...Harold > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Shopping has everything on your holiday list. Get expert picks by style, age, and price. Try it! http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8000,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=200601&tcode=wlmtagline From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Dec 08 09:28:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85082 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2006 17:28:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2006 17:28:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s26.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.98) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2006 17:28:50 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.116]) by bay0-omc1-s26.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 8 Dec 2006 09:25:41 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 09:25:40 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 08 Dec 2006 17:25:37 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 17:25:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2006 17:25:40.0859 (UTC) FILETIME=[E23D54B0:01C71AED] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.98 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: WKLO-Louisville,KY~~today's XM re-creation at 4pm Eastern X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=Y7q70Vk8wjJQEOaYFCnYLefFZr2J1HPf-YYbBUti4u4_I76sKu-cZtvtm-0 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo 4PM - 9PM Et The '60s XM 6 Sonic Sound Salutes: WKLO Louisville, KY 60's on 6 "Sonic Sound Salutes" continue as we highlight great 60's radio stations across America. Terry "The Motormouth" Young transforms the 60's on 6 into these great stations every Friday, 4PM - 9PM Eastern, with their original jingles, air personalities. This week we'll feature WKLO in Louisville, Kentucky. From w6yn@juno.com Fri Dec 08 19:37:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57672 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2006 03:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2006 03:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2006 03:37:13 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABCZWM4AAWJ48CA for (sender ); Fri, 8 Dec 2006 19:36:32 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLO2SMWTOtN2MfSGDkppIFbc= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id L85BK8V8; Fri, 08 Dec 2006 19:36:22 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 19:35:42 -0800 Message-ID: <20061208.193542.3336.2.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.49 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-44,46-143 X-ContentStamp: 45:22:2974992459 X-MAIL-INFO:2071b561c169885959c5c14d695d2ced3d5c85ed9da85db995a9 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Comparing the New HD Radio Receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=GwE1lkt3ED6XqN8QBQRJ3CmUmzO669ZhVIEMDauIyw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn The New York Times Tuning In Radio Stations Add Personalities, Digitally By GLENN FLEISHMAN STATIC can stir nostalgia among AM and FM listeners for the days when disc jockeys played whatever they chose, and radio was the only way to hear new music and new voices. Most of radio’s current audience, however, has grown used to the purely digital sound of compact discs, satellite radio, streaming Internet radio and podcasts. But some radio stations have been sending out digital signals for years, and more than 1,000 stations in the United States currently commingle analog waves and a new digital format. Until recently, however, there had been few home receivers that could tune the free digital AM and FM broadcasts, known as HD Radio. The HD Radio format is controlled by a single company, iBiquity Digital, and is the only method authorized by the Federal Communications Commission that will allow AM and FM stations to add digital broadcasts. Manufacturing delays have been slowing delivery of affordable tabletop receivers. Just one home radio, from Boston Acoustics, has been on the market longer than a few weeks; the company introduced the Receptor Radio HD in December 2005 for $500 and dropped the price to $300 a few weeks later. But several other companies are now offering receivers, and more models are expected by January. Here’s a look at five of them. All the receivers generally live up to the marketing promises of digital broadcasting, in which FM stations offer the dynamic range of a compact disc. FM stations can transmit not just a digital version of their main analog broadcast, but also other digital-only “channels” that provide alternate programming. More than 400 FM stations were multicasting as of October. AM has yet to tap this potential. While the sets that were tested can receive digital AM, which intends to equal the sound quality of analog FM, few broadcasters have upgraded their transmitters. The five receivers tune analog and digital AM and FM signals, and all but one have clock-radio features for timed alarms. The receivers offer extensive artist and song-title information, provided by HD Radio broadcasters. I tested the receivers in Seattle, where iBiquity’s guide shows 20 active stations in the greater metropolitan area (hdradio.com). The tests were performed in residential neighborhoods: one in a second-floor apartment; another in a single-family detached house. In the apartment test, receivers tuned in to 4 to 11 stations; in the detached home, four of five receivers picked up 15 stations. The sole AM station in the list was too distant to be received. These five receivers are all competent-to-strong entrants in this new market. Except for Radiosophy’s tuner, which lacks a jack for playing music from an iPod or similar device through the built-in speakers, any of the sets could replace other radio or stereo equipment. But with major retailers like Circuit City and RadioShack committed to carrying HD Radio receivers, an in-store test of over-the-air digital broadcasts is the best way to make a buying decision in your area. RADIOSHACK ACCURIAN The RadioShack Accurian offers above-average sound quality from its speakers despite being the lowest-priced receiver reviewed. Its remote control slips into a slot on top of the radio for storage, a nice option found in no other receiver. It has a clock, but there is no way to use it as an alarm. The Accurian had excellent reception in the detached home, but suffered somewhat in the apartment test, picking up just six stations. BOSTON ACOUSTICS RECEPTOR The Receptor Radio HD has a compact design with excellent sound. The display is a bright backlit blue, and tuning is straightforward. Its feature of having one speaker in the main unit and a second that can be placed up to two feet away does not offer sound superior to most of the other units. In testing, the Receptor performed worst in the apartment, locking in just four stations. Yet it was as good as all the other receivers in the detached-home test. SANGEAN HDR-1 The Sangean designers produced a radio that harks back to older tuners, with a wood finish and a telescoping FM antenna. The display, however, is more reminiscent of 1980s calculators. The two-line liquid-crystal display is limited to just a few letters per line, however, making it difficult to tell whether a digital signal had locked in. The built-in FM antenna worked as well as the less presentable wiring provided by other manufacturers in the detached-house testing. In the apartment test, where reception was already marginal, tuning was far worse. Substituting a T-style FM antenna for the telescoped one offered reception that came close to being the best of the bunch. RADIOSOPHY MULTISTREAM HD Radiosophy provided a prototype of its MultiStream HD radio that the company said represented versions to be produced on an assembly line. The speakers that were supplied gave a tinny sound, although it was not jarring. The MultiStream is the only radio tested that is transportable, requiring AC power but working with an automotive DC adapter (sold separately). The module weighs 1.5 pounds and has a solid feel to it. (Radiosophy may sell its module, without the speakers, in the future; a competing device from Visteon that will be sold only as a portable unit is due out by January.) For a portable device, however, the module’s attachment to its speaker set is awkward. The power cord must be threaded through an opening in the back of the speakers to the module, which sits on a connector. But the module is easily dislodged while tuning. This may happen often because the Radiosophy was the only receiver that was tested that did not include a remote control. Reception was average in the apartment test, but quite poor in the detached home, where it picked up three to four fewer stations than the other four receivers. An integral, short telescoping antenna is meant to be used on the road, but the model was tested with an external FM antenna that was supplied. POLK I-SONIC As the most expensive unit tested, the I-Sonic includes a CD-DVD player with video output, an expansion slot to add XM satellite radio and AM-FM tuning. The results are a cluttered interface that can make navigating the offerings perplexing. The built-in speakers provide below-par sound, producing slightly fuzzy audio whether with analog or digital radio, making it hard to hear the difference between the two formats. On the plus side, the I-Sonic had the best reception of all the units, even receiving and recognizing HD Radio from some stations outside the area. The I-Sonic is ideal as a home-entertainment center for someone with limited space or for a guest room. It is also a reasonable choice as a portable powerhouse for the car. From wnmb@sc.rr.com Sat Dec 09 13:31:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78895 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2006 21:31:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2006 21:31:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2006 21:31:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2006 21:29:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2006 21:29:49 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 21:29:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.211.81.90 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: FYI: Optimod 9100a AM Stereo Processor for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=ipj8oV2_geSO29Q0G2np_SjSWdmEQMc7tHwJOjl-8l5Zhw X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Just to let anyone know who might have an interest, or who might know=20 of someone looking for one of these; I have listed one of our spare=20 audio processors for sale on ebay. It is a 9100a and it has been used=20 on the air for about 6 months. It was working fine when we took it out=20 of service in order to install a new 9100B. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=3D006&sspagename=3DSTRK% 3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=3D&item=3D160061646074&rd=3D1&rd=3D1 From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Dec 09 15:06:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2737 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2006 23:05:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2006 23:05:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2006 23:05:32 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.197]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 138922897 for ; Sat, 09 Dec 2006 17:05:20 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c71be6$f1773d20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 17:08:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.000000 Aspam=3.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 0, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.197 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} FYI: Optimod 9100a AM Stereo Processor for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=B9--hjmbntJtBptYEDGwT8Gx_W9fCGTXNr_tVCLBhGXEgitPFZWv X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Do you know if they still have the parts and boards to upgrade the A to the stereo B version? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Norman" To: Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 3:29 PM Subject: {AMSF} FYI: Optimod 9100a AM Stereo Processor for sale > Just to let anyone know who might have an interest, or who might know > of someone looking for one of these; I have listed one of our spare > audio processors for sale on ebay. It is a 9100a and it has been used > on the air for about 6 months. It was working fine when we took it out > of service in order to install a new 9100B. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=006&sspagename=STRK% > 3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=160061646074&rd=1&rd=1 > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Dec 09 15:57:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49825 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2006 23:56:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2006 23:56:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.60) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2006 23:56:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2006 23:53:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2006 23:53:02 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 23:53:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.60 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Alfredo Lite Antenna Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=1BPcoh-zSFhOQa3cdnDe0XtTGQXwiABB1U805FQivKUX0ZQLaA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI AM STEREO GANG!!! I have some questions to the top brains of the forum: 1) Does the infamous FCC let the use of the standard half wave=20 horizontal dipole as MW broadcast antenna? 2) The same to the well-known and cheap "INVERT-V" 3) Is there some FCC rule about the ground connection to the=20 transmitter? The questions are intended because here, in Chile, our SUBTEL=20 (chilean FCC) has some rules about it but... IT'S A RIDICULOUS SET=20 OF RULES. I hope the FCC has some more "elaborated" rules, maybe. Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From bob_welch550@yahoo.com Sat Dec 09 16:18:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bob_welch550@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9118 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2006 00:12:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2006 00:12:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.102) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2006 00:12:14 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n9.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2006 00:10:07 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2006 00:10:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2006 00:10:07 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:10:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.72.98.81 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Someone's on full-power at 1030 past their "bedtime" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213592090; y=OhpFTcFQAsAYb8riZao0tu2krTE-xYNA7kD4XMGvJaqgCK_P4bCN X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 I live near Waterbury, VT, and my folks live (where I grew up)=20 Worcester, Mass. I heard ABC Radio Network sports at 6:05 one night=20 just as loud as WBZ's programming. Bob Welch, WDEV/ Radio Vermont, Waterbury, VT --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Sundquist"=20 wrote: > > You live around Sterling Heights? I grew up in the 19 Mile and=20 Schoenherr=20 > area, although I now live in Warren... > Great reception of CFCO from around here... :) >=20 > Mark >=20 > >From: Harold Richards > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Someone's on full-power at 1030 past=20 their "bedtime" > >Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 14:43:10 -0800 (PST) > > > >It's not WUFL in Sterling Heights MI. They are a local to me and=20 seem to=20 > >be good boys for the time. > > > > My guess would be to look at WONQ as they have been reported=20 in the past=20 > >on without making night power change. Anyone in FL confirm this? > > > > ...Harold > > >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Shopping has everything on your holiday list. Get expert picks=20 by style,=20 > age, and price. Try it!=20 > http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/? ctId=3D8000,ptnrid=3D176,ptnrdata=3D200601&tcode=3Dwlmtagline > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Dec 09 16:22:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58849 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2006 00:18:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2006 00:18:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2006 00:18:07 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.235.253.222.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.235.253.222] helo=PossumHunter) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GtCOH-00013x-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 09 Dec 2006 19:18:02 -0500 Message-ID: <04f201c71bf0$a5ada4b0$95685b04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 19:17:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite Antenna Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=OocrOmoCVNxHgPztCxPhWyi_WxQwM4j29taPg-4kaATaJU5KFy1aaud_EgPcKw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jotape1960 wrote: >1) Does the infamous FCC let the use of the standard half wave horizontal >dipole as MW broadcast antenna? No > >2) The same to the well-known and cheap "INVERT-V" No > >3) Is there some FCC rule about the ground connection to the transmitter? Yes. Please see http://tinyurl.com/ykqpa6 > >The questions are intended because here, in Chile, our SUBTEL (chilean FCC) >has some rules about it but... IT'S A RIDICULOUS SET OF RULES. I hope the >FCC has some more "elaborated" rules, maybe. I am afraid not. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Dec 09 17:05:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83658 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2006 01:05:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2006 01:05:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52207.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.130) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2006 01:04:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 57894 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2006 01:04:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20061210010448.57892.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 9J1XTRQVM1mMHlkxZxtZNKS8xrhhj77Hf5B_Gncf.PPAhJ2cwymQ61dW2JbzHICJRJxw0jW9WMo929rlfstN3tSX0Vh6CCxhqHR8lRbgQ_WO8KB_J2dwe9QrIAVcC97hO9TvYz5ie5kGk4s- Received: from [12.76.217.200] by web52207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 Dec 2006 17:04:48 PST Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 17:04:48 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite Antenna Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=HJcJDlsacb9KguS6HUNqrQCFoOPwbItwjQut47PuxFc X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jotape1960 wrote: > HI AM STEREO GANG!!! > > I have some questions to the top brains of the > forum: > > 1) Does the infamous FCC let the use of the standard > half wave horizontal dipole as MW broadcast >antenna? As a WIRE dipole no. Tower yes. > 2) The same to the well-known and cheap "INVERT-V" NO. > 3) Is there some FCC rule about the ground > connection to the transmitter? What do you mean? IF you mean the ground system, well you DO need that. Without it, you just do not get out well at all. And most likely the transmitter wouldn't tune, either. The ground system is the other half of a dipole with the tower being the other half. Powell NNNN! From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Dec 09 21:14:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39344 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2006 05:14:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2006 05:14:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2006 05:14:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 82902 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2006 05:13:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20061210051349.82900.qmail@web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: xd_gLGUVM1lOuivX4hK6M.EQiel2QfH1EK2zgyyNJHQDLmTVqDr0MxoZ2q.fycMXzHw8LnAm0YonW.r3VJ2yy3dOKXC27S1jhmcrTZd4BfQIubjC3i9CxwwZ1i0ZfptIF8nJkw90 Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 Dec 2006 21:13:49 PST Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 21:13:49 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} FYI: Optimod 9100a AM Stereo Processor for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=bkuHGZc8tbfOadRkYQ-epj-DkNzMHokKXIvyZr9jWb41DAxMtMkt X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Bill, Have you seen the 9400? I noticed it in BSW's catalog. What was interesting is that eventhough it has HD on it...it said "this processor fully protects CQUAM transmissions in stereo"! I thought that was interesting that since it was the new HD model that it made note that it still could be used for CQUAM! -Kevin Greenville, SC --- Bill Norman wrote: > Just to let anyone know who might have an interest, > or who might know > of someone looking for one of these; I have listed > one of our spare > audio processors for sale on ebay. It is a 9100a and > it has been used > on the air for about 6 months. It was working fine > when we took it out > of service in order to install a new 9100B. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=006&sspagename=STRK% > 3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=160061646074&rd=1&rd=1 > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. From wnmb@sc.rr.com Sun Dec 10 09:27:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63162 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2006 17:24:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2006 17:24:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2006 17:24:11 -0000 Received: from WNMB900 (cpe-024-211-081-090.sc.res.rr.com [24.211.81.90]) by ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBAE0CVc025499 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:00:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001401c71c63$826d7520$6401a8c0@WNMB900> To: References: <20061210051349.82900.qmail@web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:00:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Norman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} FYI: Optimod 9100a AM Stereo Processor for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=6-vd06gNSIQug6ChP3No4NbN317DU2v3c4oxeuG6PK5T0w X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good Morning! Yes. It is what I will use if and when we make the conversion to IBOC. Have a great day! ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Bell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 12:13 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} FYI: Optimod 9100a AM Stereo Processor for sale Bill, Have you seen the 9400? I noticed it in BSW's catalog. What was interesting is that eventhough it has HD on it...it said "this processor fully protects CQUAM transmissions in stereo"! I thought that was interesting that since it was the new HD model that it made note that it still could be used for CQUAM! -Kevin Greenville, SC --- Bill Norman wrote: > Just to let anyone know who might have an interest, > or who might know > of someone looking for one of these; I have listed > one of our spare > audio processors for sale on ebay. It is a 9100a and > it has been used > on the air for about 6 months. It was working fine > when we took it out > of service in order to install a new 9100B. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=006&sspagename=STRK% > 3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=160061646074&rd=1&rd=1 > > __________________________________________________________ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Dec 10 11:54:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43688 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2006 19:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2006 19:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.112) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2006 19:54:18 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2006 19:54:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2006 19:54:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2006 19:54:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:54:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <04f201c71bf0$a5ada4b0$95685b04@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.56 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite Antenna Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=mzUd0qTCu0VQT2Gve3cgzJSWLAg-AY3l20bzEOcydMeeI9odKQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > jotape1960 wrote: > >1) Does the infamous FCC let the use of the standard half wave=20 horizontal=20 > >dipole as MW broadcast antenna? >=20 > No > > > >2) The same to the well-known and cheap "INVERT-V" >=20 > No > > Thank you so much!!! But, can you tell me which are the reasons the FCC has to forbid it? At the same time, I know you agree with me the ISB AM Stereo is=20 better than others, so I wanna know if you know something about a=20 new "secret" idea from Leonard Kahn about it. I guess he is working=20 on something because there is a web page about "something from Kahn"=20 but there aren't details. Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Dec 10 12:13:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75019 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2006 20:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2006 20:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.114) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2006 20:12:38 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2006 20:09:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2006 20:09:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2006 20:09:55 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:09:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20061210010448.57892.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.56 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite Antenna Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=L-xAmr5IKX2uhmoFEultEGNn7MSWuz5C2efwgoAiN9dNA0UuQA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > --- jotape1960 wrote: >=20 > > HI AM STEREO GANG!!! > >=20 > > I have some questions to the top brains of the > > forum: > >=20 > > 1) Does the infamous FCC let the use of the standard > > half wave horizontal dipole as MW broadcast > >antenna? >=20 >=20 > As a WIRE dipole no. Tower yes.=20 >=20 >=20=20 > > 2) The same to the well-known and cheap "INVERT-V" >=20 > NO.=20 >=20 > > 3) Is there some FCC rule about the ground > > connection to the transmitter? >=20 > What do you mean? IF you mean the ground system, well > you DO need that. Without it, you just do not get out > well at all. And most likely the transmitter wouldn't > tune, either. The ground system is the other half of a > dipole with the tower being the other half.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 >=20 >=20 > NNNN! > Hi Powell!!! Thank you so much for your answer. I know we always need a very, very, very good ground system. I=20 wanted to mean that here, in Chile, the current rules about the=20 ground are based in the 1950's decade technology and terms (they're=20 talking about an specific model of "cooper bars" but, in that time,=20 the word "Cooper" meant an specific cooper products manufacter,=20 which no longer exists; now we have a very wide "cooper bars" with a=20 wide spectrum of sizes, models and from other manufactures). I can't understand about the "tower" half wave dipole... Why not a=20 broad wire? Why not the cheap "Invert V"? Why not? Any half dipole=20 or "invert v" has more gain and performance than a vertical quarter=20 wave antenna so... Why not? Of course, even if we use a half wave dipole or "invert v" we'll=20 always need a very good ground terminal. Thanks for your time! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Dec 10 12:16:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74601 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2006 20:14:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2006 20:14:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2006 20:14:41 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.221.240]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 135905238 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:12:46 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c71c98$01f3a560$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:15:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.221.240 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite Antenna Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=bwvqTtPmE-2o8HttQOFIZ7bX2sDC8Qvc8Ap_fnthIUfy8FvyyQIb X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" HI AM STEREO GANG!!! I have some questions to the top brains of the forum: 1) Does the infamous FCC let the use of the standard half wave horizontal dipole as MW broadcast antenna? Why would you want to use one? By the time you get high enough to actually radiate, you've got vertical towers high enough to use. 2) The same to the well-known and cheap "INVERT-V" Same problem as above. 3) Is there some FCC rule about the ground connection to the transmitter? If you're talking about part-15 (low power intentional radiators), yes. Combined length of antenna and ground lead isn't supposed to exceed 3m (~10') in length. However, the FCC doesn't interpret its own rules as you'd expect. If the transmitter is mounted directly to an already grounded tower or pole, they don't count said tower or pole as the ground lead so all 3m may be used as the antenna. Works quite well in many cases. Scott Todd From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Dec 10 14:21:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28929 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2006 22:20:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2006 22:20:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2006 22:20:04 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.221.240]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 135907498 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:26:52 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <005b01c71c99$fa2744c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:30:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.221.240 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite Antenna Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=3phv8fMIagqslb5tKjsGD9HyACyDoAd5qrbImQXyg8GNQeGmbI8b X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" But, can you tell me which are the reasons the FCC has to forbid it? Because they're protecting licensed stations, and not entirely in terms of interference, either. Even before deregulation, it took a lot of money to buy or build a radio station and to allow unlicensed stations enough power to create real competition would be cutting into the legitimate business of duly licensed stations. At the same time, I know you agree with me the ISB AM Stereo is better than others, so I wanna know if you know something about a new "secret" idea from Leonard Kahn about it. I guess he is working on something because there is a web page about "something from Kahn" but there aren't details. You're probably thinking of his CAM-D system which is nothing more than the old Kahn AM stereo system with some digital enhancement. Essentially he uses analog to 8kHz, then tacks on a digital signal to extend the frequency range to 15kHz. Older radios hear only the analog and newer radios, should they ever be build to actually decode the rest of it, would produce 15kHz audio. Scott Todd From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Dec 10 15:24:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74920 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2006 23:17:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2006 23:17:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2006 23:17:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2006 23:16:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2006 23:16:49 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:16:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005b01c71c99$fa2744c0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.25 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite Antenna Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Ha6ymvrpaoYYCo--IDCX60dHJxp1rlURm8xAn9FY0xAHiZeaCA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "jotape1960" >=20 >=20 > But, can you tell me which are the reasons the FCC has to forbid=20 it? >=20 > Because they're protecting licensed stations, and not entirely in=20 terms of > interference, either. Even before deregulation, it took a lot of=20 money to > buy or build a radio station and to allow unlicensed stations=20 enough power > to create real competition would be cutting into the legitimate=20 business of > duly licensed stations. >=20 Oh, man! I thought the FCC had a more "modern" reason to do that.=20 hahahaha!!! Please, excuse me but... I think that reason is=20 absolutely ridiculous!!! It seems to me like the transportation=20 department would want to avoid the illegal taxis forces the legal=20 taxis to use a war tank!!! Hahahaha!!! All of us know the illegal stations can't be cancelled with that=20 kind of rules. Even, many illegal station owners often invert more=20 and better than some legal stations!!! I think the only reasons to let or forbid something in the broadcast=20 arena must be TECHNICAL reasons!!! And, in that level, I don't know=20 any bad characteristic of a half wave dipole against a quarter wave=20 tower. The experience says the better (and cheap) system to all bands below=20 15 MHZ was/is/will be the simple half wave dipole, or an array of=20 dipoles (if you have enough space to do it). The quarter vertical antenna (plus the quarter wave ground plane)=20 has only one good characteristic: it's absolutely omnidirectional.=20 But, if you compare it with a half wave dipole... the dipole has=20 more than one better characteristics, even if you think the dipole=20 isn't an omnidirectional system (problem that would be fixed with a=20 dipole array - an horizontal cross, for example). Of course, if one legal station has an already typical quarter wave=20 tower, I don't think one change would be reasonable. But, to one NEW=20 LEGAL station, with a "short" money estimate... I think it's a good=20 solution. > At the same time, I know you agree with me the ISB AM Stereo is > better than others, so I wanna know if you know something about a > new "secret" idea from Leonard Kahn about it. I guess he is working > on something because there is a web page about "something from=20 Kahn" > but there aren't details. >=20 > You're probably thinking of his CAM-D system which is nothing more=20 than the > old Kahn AM stereo system with some digital enhancement.=20=20 Essentially he > uses analog to 8kHz, then tacks on a digital signal to extend the=20 frequency > range to 15kHz. Older radios hear only the analog and newer=20 radios, should > they ever be build to actually decode the rest of it, would=20 produce 15kHz > audio. >=20 > Scott Todd > Mmmm... Was it tested? Has somebody though in the possibility to transmit analog ISB AM=20 STEREO and, at the same time, modulate the main carrier phase with=20 the digital bitstream? I think it would be good to a "decent"=20 coverage area (of course, reduced coverage area in comparison with=20 the analog part). Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 10 15:28:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22911 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2006 23:24:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2006 23:24:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52204.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.127) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2006 23:24:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 19423 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2006 23:24:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20061210232431.19421.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 5Zf_JXUVM1lrEa0DP7hIVTY329b9ArX.bj1oMwNF07PPrVsEXoA9v9xGu9n9UrFYx4B.CuqNv1LlPce5JDNfn5G3TmHD3eRNjxkYFKCj7SiSr8akdSV8fxpuN7l.g.bf4V7tT9Ed5irFaWQ- Received: from [12.76.217.219] by web52204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:24:31 PST Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:24:31 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.127 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite Antenna Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=ggCCkVUV8xhm1dqLFt_SpaggsJRXS-n4Xj5BnoLx6uM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jotape1960 wrote: > But, can you tell me which are the reasons the FCC > has to forbid it? It's likely it doesn't perform to minimum standards. Powell NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 10 15:31:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35903 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2006 23:27:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2006 23:27:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52215.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.138) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2006 23:27:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 49643 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2006 23:26:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: vnXwSo4VM1nEqRmLz0OnD26jSwB7XT_M9zxDvwFHZKRiTa9tE111lZw0IHWlENVKPXcaKBh67EJ52FkUQA6FdT_B0K4SKjVIfbV87iOoIyk5Q0.WPPN.iVoBM9PeYCWepidEdLaHpFkruZo- Received: from [12.76.217.219] by web52215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:26:39 PST Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:26:39 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <69704.49322.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite Antenna Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=BYVz9a5y7wduUzc_k8siMbV3J4KbpH0h-uRz3rnwZMw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jotape1960 wrote: > I can't understand about the "tower" half wave > dipole... Why not a > broad wire? Why not the cheap "Invert V"? Why not? > Any half dipole > or "invert v" has more gain and performance than a > vertical quarter > wave antenna so... Why not? Because these antennas do not perform to minimum standards or a 1/4 wave tower with ground system I'd guess. Dipoles and inverted V's work OK for shortwave because you don't worry about groundwave. Powell NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 10 16:16:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11305 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2006 00:06:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2006 00:06:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52204.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.127) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2006 00:06:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 34571 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Dec 2006 00:03:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20061211000323.34569.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: U_i_VjwVM1ko8cXgO18rD..JbzXlwWsyc5NFLMmG7Cm5qc7fQ0S6A1txaskZXDKtQRc9nnvNr8.CPM1cD1YAtqBEPu1ZihewqCeJDUWztR65_HaZ1gC5QScpj3A9ERRvWz6TwFQgOljILPw- Received: from [12.76.217.219] by web52204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:03:23 PST Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:03:23 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.127 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: AM antenna stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=y0umT9wUbja4T8FpgHjZyg6T9uK6DOXtaldUm1mbFNg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jotape1960 wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" > wrote: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "jotape1960" > > > > > > But, can you tell me which are the reasons the FCC > has to forbid > it? > > > > Because they're protecting licensed stations, and > not entirely in > terms of > > interference, either. Even before deregulation, > it took a lot of > money to > > buy or build a radio station and to allow > unlicensed stations > enough power > > to create real competition would be cutting into > the legitimate > business of > > duly licensed stations. > > > > Oh, man! I thought the FCC had a more "modern" > reason to do that. > hahahaha!!! Please, excuse me but... I think that > reason is > absolutely ridiculous!!! It seems to me like the > transportation > department would want to avoid the illegal taxis > forces the legal > taxis to use a war tank!!! Hahahaha!!! But that said, the laws of physics have not changed. > All of us know the illegal stations can't be > cancelled with that kind of rules. >Even, many illegal station owners > often invert more and better than some legal > >stations!!! Invert? I don't know what you mean here? > I think the only reasons to let or forbid something > in the broadcast > arena must be TECHNICAL reasons!!! And, in that > level, I don't know > any bad characteristic of a half wave dipole against > a quarter wave tower. Yes, but a 1/4 wave tower is HALF of a 1/4 wave dipole. > The experience says the better (and cheap) system to > all bands below > 15 MHZ was/is/will be the simple half wave dipole, > or an array of > dipoles (if you have enough space to do it). IF you are only interested in short wave that's fine. For medium wave it just is substantially underperforming, and at night you get too much skywave. > The quarter vertical antenna (plus the quarter wave > ground plane) > has only one good characteristic: it's absolutely > omnidirectional. Correct. > But, if you compare it with a half wave dipole... > the dipole has > more than one better characteristics, even if you > think the dipole > isn't an omnidirectional system (problem that would > be fixed with a > dipole array - an horizontal cross, for example). > > Of course, if one legal station has an already > typical quarter wave > tower, I don't think one change would be reasonable. > But, to one NEW > LEGAL station, with a "short" money estimate... I > think it's a good solution. No. Powell NNNN! From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Dec 11 08:25:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20473 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2006 16:25:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2006 16:25:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.187) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2006 16:25:11 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n5.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2006 16:24:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2006 16:24:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2006 16:24:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:24:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20061211000323.34569.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.87 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: AM antenna stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=1VgELwUBLdCFMzf0DihpaeL_nRPc-CM5WrP6TBhhd4a8ROJAtA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: >=20 > >=20 > Invert? I don't know what you mean here? >=20 > Powell=20 >=20 >=20 > NNNN! > Sorry, Powell!!! I type the wrong key. I meant: INVEST. Sorry!!! Even if you think about the ground wave loss, I insist the best and=20 cheap system is the simple half wave dipole. Now, knowing the risk to be treated as a complete idiot, if you=20 think about the very bad audience rating the MW AM band has today,=20 and knowing it isn't due to a technical reason, Why the FCC is so=20 strict on it? I think the FCC must to promote the MW AM band use,=20 not limit it. If you have a typical "monster" USA 500 KW station, with the best=20 antenna system, and you don't have a very "decent" audience=20 rating... What do you win? Wouldn't it be better a 500 W station, with a simple dipole, a=20 reduced estimate, AND A VERY GOOD MUSIC FORMAT TO CHARM THE AUDIENCE? It's just my opinion. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From tomray@wor710.com Mon Dec 11 09:49:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60352 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2006 17:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2006 17:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.217) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2006 17:42:42 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2006 17:42:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2006 17:42:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2006 17:42:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:42:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.217 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: AM antenna stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=C47Do1l_RUzKTOj7Z4kocgqiDtbilM0XYqca_sFeRYIr9302 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > >=20 > If you have a typical "monster" USA 500 KW station, with the best=20 > antenna system, and you don't have a very "decent" audience=20 > rating... What do you win? >=20 500KW has not been allowed in the US since after World War II, and=20 WLW was the only station running that power. 50KW is the legal=20 limit in the US. The "typical" station in the US, I would dare say, is 5KW or under.=20=20 There are relatively few 50KW stations in the US compared to all the=20 AM stations on the air. Tom Ray WOR From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Dec 12 16:33:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14448 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2006 00:31:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2006 00:31:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.131) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2006 00:31:35 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2006 00:26:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2006 00:26:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2006 00:26:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 00:26:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.254.150 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: AM antenna stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=X-XrwWGYzhyU_x8g89-HTqDBbSMGotISkC_ZJvLZKe17889cVg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > 500KW has not been allowed in the US since after World War II, and=20 > WLW was the only station running that power. 50KW is the legal=20 > limit in the US. If I remember the details correctly, WLW was never officially=20 licensed to transmit at 500,000 watts. They were granted a special=20 experimental authority to transmit 500 kW for a limited period of=20 time, which they managed to get extended numerous times through the=20 '30s until the FCC finally called it quits and refused to renew WLW's=20 "experimental" 500 kW authorization. There was one other station (I forget which; all the details can be=20 found via a few Google searches) which ordered a 500 kW transmitter=20 of the same type as WLW's in the 1930s, and this transmitter was=20 actually built and sitting in a warehouse, awaiting that station's=20 approval to also transmit at 500 kW. When the approval never came,=20 that transmitter was shipped over to the U.K. for use in anti-Nazi=20 propaganda broadcasts aimed at Germany during WWII, and remained in=20 service there until the early 1980s. I believe this was the=20 "Aspidistra" transmitter, if you want to look it up. Meanwhile, WLW's own 500 kW transmitter was kept in operational=20 condition and was used by the U.S. Government for late-night=20 broadcasts during WWII, also aimed at Germany. After this point, the stories diverge widely as to when WLW's 500 kW transmitter was last used on the air and was last kept in operational condition --=20 anywhere from shortly after WWII to the mid-'80s, depending on who=20 you believe (and nobody seems to have any *first-hand* info on this). A few accounts say that WLW not only maintained the transmitter but=20 actually increased its performance, boosting its power output to=20 anywhere from 600,000 to over 1,000,000 watts. This is supported by=20 the fact that WLW applied for FCC authorization to transmit at an=20 upgraded power level of 750,000 watts during the Cuban Missile Crisis=20 in 1962. As soon as the Crisis was over, the FCC cancelled the=20 application. And on another radio list, one person who was listening=20 to WLW during the Crisis recalls hearing them drop carrier and then come back at a drastically increased power level to transmit Spanish=20 language programming aimed at Cuba. Other stations which applied for 750 kW authorization during the=20 Cuban Missile Crisis include WJR, WSM, WGN, and WHO. But obviously=20 only WLW actually had the hardware on hand to make that a reality. The FCC last investigated "super-power" AM in 1975, but by that time=20 the worst of the Cold War was over, FM and TV were proliferating even=20 in rural areas, and satellite and microwave communications gave even=20 small local stations access to the latest national and international=20 news. Under current international agreements, AM stations in the USA could=20 upgrade to a maximum of 100,000 watts, if the FCC allowed it.=20=20 However, doubling power doesn't even come close to doubling coverage,=20 so most 50 kW stations would not gain much useful benefit from the=20 power increase. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue Dec 12 18:27:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83742 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2006 02:27:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2006 02:27:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2006 02:27:01 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.221.191]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 137423000 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:17:53 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004d01c71e5d$5af8e000$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:21:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 3, in=11, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.221.191 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM antenna stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=_ONXrkoBottC065r-WJFvcHqFug8NrXnrQBS2i5BEWzskPT4myzC X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You don't know much about antenna theory. For a horizontal dipole to radiate worth a hoot, it's got to be half a wavelength or more above the ground. So just how do you get that without building the towers to support the ends? If you're going to go through all that effort, you might as well use a vertical radiator to begin with! Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" Even if you think about the ground wave loss, I insist the best and cheap system is the simple half wave dipole. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue Dec 12 18:36:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91567 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2006 02:30:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2006 02:30:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2006 02:30:18 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.221.191]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 138902058 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:30:16 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <007401c71e5f$16481e60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:33:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 5, in=13, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.221.191 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM antenna stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=Nr1haD6GrEyKxeUoIuoWX8XsrEjbc8b13upaaVwqy16rXse8PTOm X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I can say for certain that it was long out of comission before 1982. I visited the site in the summer of that year on a hot, steamy morning, mid July, IIRC. The light from the morning sun was so bright and coming in from behind the old monster that I was unable to get any pictures of it, but it was dusty and partially disassembled. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > > Meanwhile, WLW's own 500 kW transmitter was kept in operational > condition and was used by the U.S. Government for late-night > broadcasts during WWII, also aimed at Germany. After this point, > the stories diverge widely as to when WLW's 500 kW transmitter was > last used on the air and was last kept in operational condition -- > anywhere from shortly after WWII to the mid-'80s, depending on who > you believe (and nobody seems to have any *first-hand* info on this). > From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 12 18:47:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51710 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2006 02:44:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2006 02:44:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52213.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.136) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2006 02:44:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 95898 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Dec 2006 02:42:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: k4CvBoMVM1lbOV1V_Ij8OKpf4XTzsFDRNFV1Dg1ffaAFDEtFXpv0HGpQcGsQJFhthS7WAJqfU.FSoGMcA2TXwfNXH8J5FBEbLsUchHnoLPRuF65FxdTWbuBjkUP6TDnCnBnTV2psGed6GQ-- Received: from [12.76.216.197] by web52213.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:42:21 PST Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:42:21 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004d01c71e5d$5af8e000$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <763579.95651.qm@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM antenna stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=tGiavs-H_2mmSqi6WJhP5uZ2_SthzbrMHXtMp3NIV5M X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Scott Todd wrote: > You don't know much about antenna theory. For a > horizontal dipole to > radiate worth a hoot, it's got to be half a > wavelength or more above the > ground. For HF that is easier to accomplish. For MW, well a vertical radiator, like a tower is THE only way to do it.... My 75 meter ham antenna [dipole] with feedpoint at 65 feet up did OK. Powell NNNN! From droland66@yahoo.com Tue Dec 12 19:19:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57244 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2006 03:19:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2006 03:19:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.102) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2006 03:19:00 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n9.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2006 03:18:41 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2006 03:18:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2006 03:18:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 03:18:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004f01c7199a$0101c660$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.62.179.16 From: "david roland" Subject: Re:Questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=hrMsG7VN8UGMJES-JbjGL_9HfJQCxwJdlJZZ2gaX_6B1RRaf X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 I'm sorry. I meant Western Electric. At any rate, I believe=20 that '27 transmitter is still in operational condition at WLW. That=20 is, unless it has been disassembled since y2k. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > Except it wasn't a Westinghouse, it's a Western Electric. IIRC=20 one of the > very first 50kW transmitters made. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Possum Hunter" >=20 > > > i also remember reading an article about how WLW put their '27 > > > westinghouse transmitter online briefly to bring in y2k. > > > > What they failed to write about is the old Westinghouse=20 transmitter sounds > > BETTER then the new rig sounds! LOL > > > From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Dec 12 19:30:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51096 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2006 03:30:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2006 03:30:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s33.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.233) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2006 03:30:09 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.120]) by bay0-omc3-s33.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:29:59 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:29:58 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 03:29:55 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Bcc: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 03:29:55 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2006 03:29:58.0853 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7572750:01C71E66] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: HD radio transmissions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=293AQa86k0bTmvxhvQsLsda4jw9LceZotyn5cdneqAPjHe-hp_N5nK99R4c X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo From the New York Times prior article (on this list) on HD radio was a link to another HD radio story and here is the quote, I have a question on: ------------------------------------ "With any type of HD Radio, the antenna can be important. HD radio signals must be broadcast at 1 percent of the power of analog signals. For instance, WNYC’s transmitter in Manhattan pushes out 5,700 watts of analog signal and just 57 watts of digital. Current tabletop models have their own antennas, but they also have standard connectors for use with external aerials or powered antennas for better reception. GLENN FLEISHMAN ------------------------------------ My question is, is it the laws of physics or an FCC regulation that the HD radio signals must be broadcast at 1 percent of the power of analog signals? Donn, St Petersburg,FL From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 12 19:45:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17494 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2006 03:44:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2006 03:44:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52212.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.135) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2006 03:44:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 56996 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Dec 2006 03:43:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lODeAGEVM1n08hh6_oqO3rciPpBhXwlKu0hPxOFFYpBSYWnFw2CFYQdYuMtJhOz3NQFkuDJie1M3JEj9poyPgUmWdeNihOr0EBdmMCFLs01WoZ7ayakQardtrWfnjK78z0aMzPaPx7XEY7g- Received: from [12.76.217.76] by web52212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:43:36 PST Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:43:36 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <175864.56357.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD radio transmissions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=rsI32OLCkGBSokEMHafBAr9okFtJsITHMdM7pTvQZtA X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Donn Tillman wrote: > My question is, is it the laws of physics or an FCC > regulation that the HD > radio signals must be broadcast at 1 percent of the > power of analog signals? > > Donn, > St Petersburg,FL FCC regulation, though on FM to get parity, they are going to have to go up a good bit on power. It will cause more interference. On MW more power is not possible without WAY more interference (than we already have )..... Powell NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 12 19:45:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19397 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2006 03:42:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2006 03:42:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52202.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.125) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2006 03:42:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 44345 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Dec 2006 03:41:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: g4l09CQVM1kGk.LYrRhpTeXn9MK9FQPstjJPGT2t5SEYZMVqhOIaLj9An8yVWs0WTRYAqeRQEXVSh_K_TfAp2matlM6hA8YD1wauKj38rYFg1XclUy6qCuy_enLMWjvoD0ooZ4H0dUEzpOc- Received: from [12.76.217.76] by web52202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:41:31 PST Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:41:31 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <188408.43898.qm@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.125 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:Questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=0ELYMvfYsp-6hciDImGH3FQH1jClH88UKV7ZKeySgww X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- david roland wrote: > I'm sorry. I meant Western Electric. At any rate, > I believe > that '27 transmitter is still in operational > condition at WLW. That > is, unless it has been disassembled since y2k. It is still there. Powell NNNN! From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Dec 12 21:21:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21550 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2006 05:18:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2006 05:18:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.28) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2006 05:18:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 46862 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Dec 2006 05:18:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20061213051846.46860.qmail@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: k51A9JgVM1kfHgifTcSdHzHq2qSX47HPOY3xTc_uW8vfi6iZp0nut61JI.QmiOStkeU9PfqVzuyR65e3YjrQ9deDv8fYWX1pdNFpDg7IrDXIEG1eIC0uhZ6QWcp.k9fM9.3vzGEc Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:18:46 PST Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:18:46 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: WLW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=dgo_R_iG9tDtRrxC_RaUYGl-dLXXwhkjjkp3BG1YV14PhT65J3QK X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Heres some page on WLW's transmitter I found. Thought i'd pass it along. http://hawkins.pair.com/wlw.shtml ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Wed Dec 13 05:27:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6465 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2006 13:24:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2006 13:24:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2006 13:24:33 -0000 Received: from [4.247.126.5] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GuU0K-0004bg-LI for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:18:38 -0500 Message-ID: <3849-2200612313131839484@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.3.14.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:18:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc0eb1d85e6d8eae48a75e72631440d6ba350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: RE: {AMSF} WLW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=Uca8fW9x0_d_ERuJOFxjoGFjgkpI3gQEeD_urIOEGBRzyg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That was a very interesting link! Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Bell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: 12/13/2006 12:21:50 AM Subject: {AMSF} WLW Heres some page on WLW's transmitter I found. Thought i'd pass it along. http://hawkins.pair.com/wlw.shtml __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Dec 13 07:50:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7766 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2006 15:49:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2006 15:49:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flpvm09.prodigy.net) (207.115.20.39) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2006 15:49:27 -0000 X-ORBL: [75.19.182.152] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-75-19-182-152.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net [75.19.182.152]) by flpvm09.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with SMTP id kBDFlF7Y014471 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:47:16 -0800 Message-ID: <001701c71ecd$f4339a60$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <188408.43898.qm@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:47:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0657-2, 12/12/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.20.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Rado and WLW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=JXE016OgVxNsGN2RiTWS9kLVQX10ZmN1NzGUjmQxhE5xQE0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 I've posted this info before, but since we are speaking of the WLW transmitter (which I've seen) and HD radio (which I have), I thought I'd offer my insight. I live about 70 miles from the WLW stick in Mason Ohio, and WLW is the loudest/strongest AM station here in South Central Indiana. I have an Alpine HD radio, and a Boston Acoustics HD Radio and as I've posted several times before, the only time I can consistently get the HD signal from WLW is when I am parked with the engine off. Same thing with WIBC (Indianapolis.. TX site 50 miles away) and same thing with WHAS (Louisville...TX site 70 miles away). Here are 3 dominant 50,000 watt radio stations and their HD signal is worthless in my area, that is otherwise served by a decent analog signal. Another thing... when I am close enough to receive HD on a regular basis Unusually 30 miles or less to their transmitter), when I drive under a bridge or noisy power lines, or if there is lightning, the radio blends back to analog just in time to hear the static. Not to mention that WLW and WIBC are broadcasting in mono, with little or no processing on the HD signals, so I constantly fight the gain control. It now appears that WHAS is broadcasting some commercials in stereo, but it is still 90% mono and again with little or no processing. The thing that really bothers me is when the Cubs are playing on WGN 720 KHz), I can't hear them unless the game is after sunset when they shut off the IBOC bandsaw. WGN is on 2nd adjacent from WLW, but the IBOC sideband still kills them. I hate to think what will happen to the MW band when IBOC is approved for night time use. -Jim- From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Dec 13 08:59:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14849 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2006 16:57:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2006 16:57:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.207) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2006 16:57:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2006 16:56:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2006 16:56:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 16:56:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <763579.95651.qm@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.9 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM antenna stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=1SfJObfAbE50FxJE4UFYmJFHHhX_5C06-vLBBuYrU3tOYQHHPw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > --- Scott Todd wrote: >=20 > > You don't know much about antenna theory. For a > > horizontal dipole to > > radiate worth a hoot, it's got to be half a > > wavelength or more above the > > ground.=20 >=20 > For HF that is easier to accomplish. For MW, well a > vertical radiator, like a tower is THE only way to do > it.... My 75 meter ham antenna [dipole] with > feedpoint at 65 feet up did OK.=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 >=20 > NNNN! > You're right, it's so hard to build, but not impossible. In facts, I have seen a 3 towers installation (with the half dipole=20 between the towers) in an old Harris catalog from 1980's. Maybe very=20 more expensive than the typical quarter wave single vertical tower=20 but more efficient. I wanted to mean that, for a new station, with a limited estimate,=20 the very expensive part (at least here in Chile) is the great=20 quarter wave ground plane!!! If you use only a central tower and=20 an "invert V" system, you have a more cheap antenna. That's all my=20 thought. Of course, I insist, if the station is ALREADY work with the typical=20 vertical tower (like the most cases) I don't think it would be a=20 reasonable idea to change the system. The center problem here is a theorical perfect MW antenna must to be=20 a 1:1 SWR into a 20 kHz bandwidth (centered in the carrier, of=20 course) MINIMUM to avoid any audio loss (and avoid some audio=20 distortion artifacts, too). The last is the essence part of the High=20 Fidelity MW AM, mono or stereo (I reinvented the wheel!!!). Everybody knows it's impossible to get a flat 1:1 SWR bandwidth, but=20 we could get a "decent" less than 1:1.3 SWR bandwidth, into 20 kHz,=20 with a good interface system (tuning box). I'm not sure if the half wave dipole has more "decent" SWR bandwidth=20 than a vertical quarter radiator but I know the half wave dipole=20 and "invert v" are more easy to tune than other systems. I have a question, about the power: Why the FCC only let 50 KW max?=20 (It's the same limit in Chile). Everybody knows more power doesn't mean more coverage area so, if=20 someone wants more power (and knowing the only one $$$ loser is that=20 one)... Why not? Why not to let him inflates his costs? Hahaha!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Dec 13 10:58:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42026 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2006 18:58:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2006 18:58:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s14.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.214) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2006 18:58:24 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.169.17]) by bay0-omc3-s14.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:36:58 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:36:57 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.169.200 by by114fd.bay114.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:36:54 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:36:54 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2006 18:36:57.0735 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB859170:01C71EE5] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: KOMA - 1520 Oklahoma City,OK-this Friday's XM channel 6' re-creation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=CmC0G9pjfpeir1GM23SkrxC18Edve-swr0mRx_BkL1MJsDZD4ECAU4cqBuQ X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo fyi: 4PM - 9PM ET The '60s XM 6 Sonic Sound Salutes: KOMA in Oklahoma City, OK Terry "The Motormouth" Young transforms the 60s on 6 into great classic stations every Friday. This week you will hear KOMA in Oklahoma City, OK. In 1961, the KOMA studios and transmitter were permanently combined at one site on the south side of Oklahoma City. KOMA then became a pioneer totally automated station for a period of three years. In 1964, it was determined that KOMA could better serve the public by returning to "live" programming. Automation proved to be too sterile and impersonal, so "personality" was returned to KOMA. Throughout the 60’s and 70’s, KOMA was the favorite of teens all across the western US. With the big 50,000-watt signal and the relatively few rock-n-roll radio stations across the plains, KOMA was the main station for the hits. KOMA (along with handful of other legendary stations including 890 WLS, Chicago; 1090 KAAY, Little Rock; 1060 WNOE, New Orleans; 770 WABC, New York; 800 CKLW, Windsor/Detroit; and 1100 WKYC, Cleveland) could be heard on car radios, in homes, and everywhere a kid could tune in. Often teens in New Mexico, Arizona, Wyoming, Kansas, Colorado, Nebraska, and other western states would eagerly await sunset when the mighty 1520 would come booming through with the newest hits of the day. They would sit in their cars on hilltops, turn it up at parties, or fall asleep with the radio next to their beds as they listened to Chuck Berry, the Supremes, Paul Revere and the Raiders, and the Beatles. Soldiers in Viet Nam even reported tuning in KOMA to give them a little feeling of being back home. Led through the 60’s by Program Directors Dean Johnson, Dale Wehba, and Perry Murphy, some of the best-remembered DJ’s spun the hits each day and night. Charlie Tuna, Dale Wehba, Don McGregor, Paul Miller, John David, Chuck Dann, J. Michael Wilson, Johnny Dark, Buddy Scott, John Ravencroft, and many others were among those who played the hits from the studios in Moore, Oklahoma. And everyone remembers “Yours Truly KOMA” and the “kissing tone.” This was definitely an era where radio was fun. It was more than just the music. It was a magical blend of personality, jingles, contests, and fun mixed with the greatest music that defined the era and continues to live today. These were considered by many to be the best years of radio. And for baby boomers across the western US, KOMA was king. On September 12,1980 at 8pm, General Manager Woody Woodard introduced a recorded montage of the top hit records of the 50's, 60's and 70's, a signal that a new era was about to begin. At approximately five minutes past 3pm, Gregg Lindahl played John Denver's "Thank God I'm a Country Boy", and "KOMA Country" was born. The reaction was incredible, a rock 'n roll legend shook the radio industry in Oklahoma City and another chapter in the long proud history of KOMA had begun. From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Dec 13 17:32:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97182 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2006 01:31:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2006 01:31:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52204.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.127) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2006 01:31:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 22384 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Dec 2006 01:31:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20061214013126.22382.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: K2zgJwcVM1m3XMXaYNk2aPFXg5CuEZTfh9q6ynUCwh.QLvVH7MMtUJ8r4AOwY87z7A-- Received: from [12.76.217.209] by web52204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 17:31:26 PST Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 17:31:26 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.127 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM antenna stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=-A3rjVBC-eAVcfAdEI7M4eZZNSZL5Bc_YlLng8xMtM8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jotape1960 wrote: > > You're right, it's so hard to build, but not > impossible. And expensive. > In facts, I have seen a 3 towers installation (with > the half dipole > between the towers) in an old Harris catalog from > 1980's. Maybe very > more expensive than the typical quarter wave single > vertical tower but more efficient. Maybe, but.... > I wanted to mean that, for a new station, with a > limited estimate, > the very expensive part (at least here in Chile) is > the great > quarter wave ground plane!!! If you use only a > central tower and > an "invert V" system, you have a more cheap antenna. > That's all my thought. And stability is a problem. A tower does not move. The wire antenna does. It does make power output move. > Of course, I insist, if the station is ALREADY work > with the typical > vertical tower (like the most cases) I don't think > it would be a > reasonable idea to change the system. And a vertical radiates MW better. You want to minimize skywave. A dipole does NOT do this, nor does an inverted V. > The center problem here is a theorical perfect MW > antenna must to be > a 1:1 SWR into a 20 kHz bandwidth (centered in the > carrier, of > course) MINIMUM to avoid any audio loss (and avoid > some audio > distortion artifacts, too). The last is the essence > part of the High > Fidelity MW AM, mono or stereo (I reinvented the > wheel!!!). That's true. > Everybody knows it's impossible to get a flat 1:1 > SWR bandwidth, but > we could get a "decent" less than 1:1.3 SWR > bandwidth, into 20 kHz, > with a good interface system (tuning box). Yes, but wait. > I'm not sure if the half wave dipole has more > "decent" SWR bandwidth > than a vertical quarter radiator but I know the half > wave dipole > and "invert v" are more easy to tune than other > systems. I do know that a half wave vertical is VERY hard to tune. > I have a question, about the power: Why the FCC only > let 50 KW max? > (It's the same limit in Chile). Dunno. > Everybody knows more power doesn't mean more > coverage area so, if > someone wants more power (and knowing the only one > $$$ loser is that > one)... Why not? Why not to let him inflates his > costs? Hahaha!!! > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! A LOT more power gives you more coverage, but not as much as you think. Powell NNNN! From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Dec 13 17:56:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17108 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2006 01:55:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2006 01:55:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2006 01:55:10 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.221.118]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 139152208 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:51:38 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <007101c71f22$dc6b09e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:54:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 6, in=5, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.221.118 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM antenna stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=w2YjLyO-TQIO22Df89DF5pTaGvylr5jOTSNlNr9OTl2ElcJDeLT_ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" In facts, I have seen a 3 towers installation (with the half dipole between the towers) in an old Harris catalog from 1980's. Maybe very more expensive than the typical quarter wave single vertical tower but more efficient. >> What you saw was essentially a top loaded vertical rather than a true horizontal dipole. The center wires went up to the horizontal ones but were neither balanced nor shielded as they would be feeding an actual dipole. The vertical wires were actually doing the radiating. Had dipoles been all that efficient or predictable on lower frequencies, they'd still be using them. IIRC it was in the 1930s that it was discovered that directly driving a tower would produce a better signal, so that's the standard for today. I have a question, about the power: Why the FCC only let 50 KW max? (It's the same limit in Chile). >> I remember reading about it, but it was so long ago that I've forgotten what it was. The maximum was established in the late 30s. I suspect the thinking was that 50kW was sufficient to cover a large area. Back then there wasn't the noise level and congestion there is today so those signals went a whole lot further than they do now. The 500kW that WLW ran was such a monster signal that it would have eliminated the possibility of putting stations on adjacent frequencies for such a great distance that it would prevent a lot of less populated areas from receiving their own radio station had enough clear channel stations gotten that much power. Scott Todd From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 13 19:05:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75344 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2006 03:02:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2006 03:02:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.37) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2006 03:02:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 17734 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Dec 2006 03:01:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: psDUcAEVM1n2Rl_LoCT5VH2hlTwc0_Bsrwx5vOp7LhZJuzbJCAUsMAYm05Nsi6HGg5Iw1slW16YC.3zpxhm1CMFWE0DVCdcFJEAYaLiJQDY9imlwuVRLvE9dsYoCmH4pBf3UZ9pr Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:01:44 PST Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:01:44 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001701c71ecd$f4339a60$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <428778.15453.qm@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Radio that Sucks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=3J6ddvj_k1Mzn_4xFuJiD4a52hFuTIleIX2WbmF9m4xOt95sbUDK X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Now heres one for you. If you think HD is bad try the all new "Extreme Range AM/FM/WX" radio that the rat shack has. That thing is a piece of shit. Adjacent channe rejection is horrible. The one station it does pick up sounds great, all the other FM ones bleed over on each other and some I cant get at all. The Am section is even worse. Static and pops. It has the wide mode which only makes the stations that are already bleeding over just bleed over more. This thing is no GE Super radio but rather a cheap imitation with digital tuner that can't tune a damn thing in. It will promptly be returned in the morning. It's sad. You'd think someone that calls themselves "Radio Shack" could make a good DX Radio. I have one nice thing to say about them. It's their Am/Fm pocket transistor. Now that little diddy is a good DX'er. I so far have picked up stations in NY, Chicago, Missouri, and Iowa on it and I live in South Carolina. It runs off three double A batteries. It's $17.99 which is a little pricey for a pocket transistor but the reception is good. It has headphone input which which I can confirm that stereo headphones will work with without any special adaptor, its a 1/8" plug. However eventhough it will accept stereo headphones the FM section is mono. It has a wrist strap and decent sized metal antenna to raise. This effort by Radio Shack is good but the Extreme Range radio for $49.99 is nothing but junk and stay away from it. One other great radio is the Tivoli Model One. I have one and you can buy them at Tweeter of Hi-Fi Buys or you can order it directly from Tivoli. Their website is at http://www.tivoliaudio.com/ . Guys these are solid little radios. The wood is real, not fake. It has an aux connection in as well. It has internal antennas and connections for external ones. If you wish to use external you flip a switch on back of the radio. Tivoli also sells a loop antenna for about $8.00 that plugs into the external connector as well. Look for it under accessories on their site. At any rate I just wanted to pass along that info. Take care. -Kevin -Kevin --- Jim Burgan wrote: > I've posted this info before, but since we are > speaking of the WLW > transmitter (which I've seen) and HD radio (which I > have), I thought I'd > offer my insight. I live about 70 miles from the > WLW stick in Mason Ohio, > and WLW is the loudest/strongest AM station here in > South Central Indiana. > I have an Alpine HD radio, and a Boston Acoustics HD > Radio and as I've > posted several times before, the only time I can > consistently get the HD > signal from WLW is when I am parked with the engine > off. > Same thing with WIBC (Indianapolis.. TX site 50 > miles away) and same thing > with WHAS (Louisville...TX site 70 miles away). > Here are 3 dominant 50,000 > watt radio stations and their HD signal is worthless > in my area, that is > otherwise served by a decent analog signal. > Another thing... when I am close enough to receive > HD on a regular basis > Unusually 30 miles or less to their transmitter), > when I drive under a > bridge or noisy power lines, or if there is > lightning, the radio blends back > to analog just in time to hear the static. Not to > mention that WLW and WIBC > are broadcasting in mono, with little or no > processing on the HD signals, so > I constantly fight the gain control. It now appears > that WHAS is > broadcasting some commercials in stereo, but it is > still 90% mono and again > with little or no processing. > The thing that really bothers me is when the Cubs > are playing on WGN 720 > KHz), I can't hear them unless the game is after > sunset when they shut off > the IBOC bandsaw. WGN is on 2nd adjacent from WLW, > but the IBOC sideband > still kills them. I hate to think what will happen > to the MW band when IBOC > is approved for night time use. > -Jim- > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From w6yn@juno.com Wed Dec 13 19:37:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15375 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2006 03:36:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2006 03:36:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2006 03:36:17 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABC2BTU9AJL88A2 for (sender ); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:34:55 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLGHmFDhB1BpX81Ixowk0J9E= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id L9H7GGG5; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:34:32 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:33:14 -0800 Message-ID: <20061213.193316.720.3.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.49 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,8-11,12-32767 X-ContentStamp: 2:2:2887435325 X-MAIL-INFO:539d04347114710414d9d914b9f5602d5d5519057d356d895d3921d1dd552921b585 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Back on sale at Radio Shack X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=7-lwiLpq_qJzkyw5YWerim4I1UgUoh_2oCZhnlT4pA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Accurian Tabletop "HD Radio" is back on sale at Radio Shack for $99 after $50 in rebates. Go to www.radioshack.com and search on 12-1686 if you are interested. Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Dec 13 21:27:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27606 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2006 05:26:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2006 05:26:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52215.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.138) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2006 05:26:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 17235 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Dec 2006 05:26:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: JZpVxlsVM1k5xeUrksPJezFGnubVdB0adgkaeIE2RkXZIuQP.Wvf7bxoDTiTjRM85wNTYSsJHRusoBYVaAkZ0rNwFC.AlHj0OheIf2uVj0M.ldcqPO6JoOAXPuZGxxVlRRPKTDWwW5ZYE.Y- Received: from [12.76.216.193] by web52215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:26:36 PST Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:26:36 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <428778.15453.qm@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <19685.15700.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=1pPEHl9kBDFAVvilGcCArYQq6YkuZ2qIuAibupgfp2M X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > Now heres one for you. If you think HD is bad try > the > all new "Extreme Range AM/FM/WX" radio that the rat > shack has. That thing is a piece of shit.. The one I tried didn't do that well. I think it was broken....at least I hope so. > One other great radio is the Tivoli > Model One. I have one and you can buy them at > Tweeter > of Hi-Fi Buys or you can order it directly from > Tivoli. Their website is at > http://www.tivoliaudio.com/ . Guys these are solid > little radios. The wood is real, not fake. It has > an > aux connection in as well. It has internal antennas > and connections for external ones. If you wish to > use > external you flip a switch on back of the radio. I have one of those. I got it in a thrift shop for $5.00. The Radio Shack HD radio has an excellent tuner. It picks up stuff the Tivoli Model 1 won't. That's for AM and FM, though the Model 1 sounds better on AM the HD Accurian is way more selective. Powell (in Columbia for a short while longer) Powell NNNN! From bob_welch550@yahoo.com Wed Dec 13 22:29:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bob_welch550@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45170 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2006 06:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2006 06:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.26) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2006 06:29:55 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2006 06:27:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2006 06:27:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 06:27:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20061213051846.46860.qmail@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.255.148.36 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: WLW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213592090; y=IHQakRBZOAH3_p-easCQk_KkFApSx_zRCLoBqAp3Qhq7nfLUQf4S X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Maybe, just perhaps, the individual meant in "typical" that no matter=20 where you go in the parts of North America where most people live,=20 you can hear a 50,000 watt radio station on the AM. Especially, at=20 night. Granted, I'm in Vermont and am surrounded by them.. 690-CINF,=20 730 CKAC, 800 CJAD (10kw/at night), 940 CINW and Boston's WBZ 1030=20 comes in faintly, and that's just the daytime.=20=20 By night, all the NYC 50,000 watters come in, I get 1100 out of=20 Cleveland. I get KB-1520, only now by ditching the music that Buffalo=20 station has lost it's program preset on my radio. But, basically my=20 dial is draped from left to right with 50,000 watt stations at=20 night. I couldn't even count them all no less list them all. I muse often about the fact that there's so much repetition on the FM=20 dial (well, I know AM is guilty too... but, not nearly as bad as FM),=20 why I have 18 FM presets and only 6 AM presets. Six presets can't=20 cover all the AM's I can receive in my area. Meanwhile, one of my=20 colleagues in a moment of madness took to his paint program and=20 pasted logos from every Kiss format on the air somewhere in=20 Vermont... just Vermont! It was quite tickling, and somewhat=20 concerning at the same time. I think you know what I'm talking about. Bob Welch WDEV=20 550 Waterbury,VT 96.1FM Warren, VT 96.5 FM Barre, VT (W243AT) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 wrote: > > Heres some page on WLW's transmitter I found. Thought > i'd pass it along. >=20 >=20 >=20 > http://hawkins.pair.com/wlw.shtml >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Yahoo! Music Unlimited > Access over 1 million songs. > http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited > From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 13 23:49:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87177 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2006 07:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2006 07:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.27) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2006 07:44:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 18662 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Dec 2006 07:26:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: JGOaBvgVM1mp5dXqkeOQgB4L7q6umKmyYi11bKmonBM..jUlFEYg0CKDo806mSbPiTLdW6l4tz25mjBVqcbQkV0RFSczZOPT8ZtWfvoZ_sbW044FL1o5kXFtFEqC7U_Uy6kgOWt7 Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 23:26:56 PST Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 23:26:56 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <19685.15700.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <630680.99484.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=xCLg93nvhhOTi93fer-hvVTytIafZwsZ6coCjALlQLLHqv7TolXL X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Yeah but the only thing is I don't care for HD. I don't want to see it go anywhere. Any technology that uses file compression just doesn't catch my fancy. -Kevin --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Kevin Bell wrote: > > > Now heres one for you. If you think HD is bad try > > the > > all new "Extreme Range AM/FM/WX" radio that the > rat > > shack has. That thing is a piece of shit.. > > The one I tried didn't do that well. I think it was > broken....at least I hope so. > > > > > One other great radio is the Tivoli > > Model One. I have one and you can buy them at > > Tweeter > > of Hi-Fi Buys or you can order it directly from > > Tivoli. Their website is at > > http://www.tivoliaudio.com/ . Guys these are > solid > > little radios. The wood is real, not fake. It has > > an > > aux connection in as well. It has internal > antennas > > and connections for external ones. If you wish to > > use > > external you flip a switch on back of the radio. > > > I have one of those. I got it in a thrift shop for > $5.00. > > The Radio Shack HD radio has an excellent tuner. It > picks up stuff the Tivoli Model 1 won't. That's for > AM > and FM, though the Model 1 sounds better on AM the > HD > Accurian is way more selective. > > Powell (in Columbia for a short while longer) > Powell > > > NNNN! > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Dec 14 06:53:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37286 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2006 14:52:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2006 14:52:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52213.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.136) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2006 14:52:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 2614 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Dec 2006 14:25:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5_oiw2kVM1mNRompa5fRNsObhT90z4WMhZS9cpQr Received: from [12.76.217.241] by web52213.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 06:25:01 PST Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 06:25:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <630680.99484.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <822160.1991.qm@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=rhje_ECQcP8NUSDnd_vK2OWx8ZMXrBZyHsuW2r8PFtk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > Yeah but the only thing is I don't care for HD. So? WE have no choice. I don't care for it either, but we ARE going to have digital radio (and already have digital TV) one way or the other. > I don't want to see it go anywhere. WE don't have a choice in the matter. > Any technology > that uses file compression just doesn't catch my >fancy. It's here and get used to it. I'm not being smart, but everything coming down from NPR (and all stuff from the bird, and I mean commercial bird, not XM or Sirius) are compressed. We are now at a point where storage on hard drives eliminates the need for compression on MOHD. Digital file storage and digital codecs are getting better by the day and will continue to do so as technology progresses. Powell NNNN! From jimbo@burgan.net Thu Dec 14 15:23:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94666 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2006 23:21:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2006 23:21:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO qmix.com) (209.43.120.44) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2006 23:21:46 -0000 Received: from jburgan (adsl-70-239-82-62.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net [70.239.82.62]) by qmix.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id kBENJNh07688 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:19:23 -0500 Message-ID: <002201c71fd6$48a8c170$0202a8c0@jburgan> To: References: <630680.99484.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:19:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 209.43.120.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=LvptkrLy_5U6pZHFYAWYXMzWcyuDOEuivR2BTcAoVls7WsA X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Yeah but the only thing is I don't care for HD. I > don't want to see it go anywhere. Any technology that > uses file compression just doesn't catch my fancy. The FM compression isn't that bad but the AM codec is horrible. It sound much worse than a badly-encoded MP3, in my ever-so-humble opinion. -Jim- From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Dec 14 18:41:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27353 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2006 02:38:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2006 02:38:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2006 02:38:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2006 02:37:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2006 02:37:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 02:37:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002201c71fd6$48a8c170$0202a8c0@jburgan> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.5 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=IGC7YPHn5j54Qf2rxbn1XE_NQ0d5wXaUjHaD_WaxRAmeEs0dyA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > >=20 >=20 > > Yeah but the only thing is I don't care for HD. I > > don't want to see it go anywhere. Any technology that > > uses file compression just doesn't catch my fancy. >=20 > The FM compression isn't that bad but the AM codec is horrible. > It sound much worse than a badly-encoded MP3, in my ever-so-humble=20 opinion. > -Jim- > My humble opinion is to insist the future of the AM band isn't a=20 technical problem. In other words, if it's analog or digital, if it=20 has good or bad audio quality, if it's mono or stereo, all is=20 nothing if AM radios doesn't have audience!!! In 1994 (12 years ago), in an ARCHI (Chilean Broadcasters=20 Association) review interview, Mauricio Goldchain (a chilean speaker=20 and correspondent who worked at VOA-Voice Of America) said: "If the=20 AMs have less listeners is due they transmit programs which don't=20 interest the listeners." And I think he had, and still has, all the=20 reason. Maybe, we could discuss about some technical improvements for=20 centuries, for ever and ever, but... we'll always back to the same=20 simple problem: WHERE ARE THE LISTENERS? I have some personal opinion: I've lived on a radio station for all=20 my life, BUT I HATE TO LISTEN RADIO BECAUSE THE COMMERCIALS!!! It's=20 my personal opinion, but... Am I the only one? If we would do a=20 survey, Wouldn't we find opinions like: "It's too much talk, It's=20 too much sports, It's too much politic, It's too much commercials"? Some solution? BACK TO BEAUTIFUL POPULAR MUSIC!!!!!!! Then, when the AMs back to music, the listeners will back to the AM. And, when it have done, then we will be able to talk about the=20 technical issues. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 15 02:21:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56955 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2006 10:18:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2006 10:18:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2006 10:18:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 48096 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2006 10:15:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20061215101532.48094.qmail@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: QJGX_UoVM1nyQGcIX3ZcJNZPUn88bts23bUDFmdnlpHkRIEGRCjCXRScc0U1V3JwN6T492KHHWqUDNFbBNV_XLPFPqQ3qQBSVQfeIKT_mpAn1HZAsYnAVvlTJmoZ7KlpIlemeyE3xT37u5mJH6v7K9b9mA1xPV1De_8acg2n.3qt.qcBYldyVw-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 02:15:32 PST Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 02:15:32 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002201c71fd6$48a8c170$0202a8c0@jburgan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=kKflKh7h8q1bp_8Guf25C6qCzueYi1_N9tbkOTUc9WxU6EARBitk X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke But my point is why have compression period? Why not strive for the best quality sound possible? It seems as though we are going back in time, far back beyond the 60s when sound wasn't quite hi-fi yet if you're asking me. It is as though we kept striving for better quality sound through the 80s and early 90s and then somewhere along the line we stopped and started going backwards! This compression shit sounds like crap period. XM included and i'm a subscriber so I can bitch about it. Their content is great, dont get me wrong but their sound quality has a lot left to be desired. -Kevin --- Jim Burgan wrote: > > > > Yeah but the only thing is I don't care for HD. I > > don't want to see it go anywhere. Any technology > that > > uses file compression just doesn't catch my fancy. > > The FM compression isn't that bad but the AM codec > is horrible. > It sound much worse than a badly-encoded MP3, in my > ever-so-humble opinion. > -Jim- > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 15 02:28:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20327 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2006 10:27:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2006 10:27:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.27) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2006 10:27:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 58107 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2006 10:26:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: x52p7AYVM1nElCGwnhM2f3hvtE_OFR8g9rhR9NLC8BFNhg___z1XFdhXjY7trKJ8oRaDFotqqgW2V0Eni8L1Zzqf8a47tuFalgc4.lf3YFt4baNmUYLujlfY__QdydU70id25kpwGJi8UBIZZAdTpFQ33ETEe.hH5H.U9KVsJWwDM65YgcKeo7R0nvhFWOlpGxelQAfT Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 02:26:29 PST Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 02:26:29 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <695075.57723.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=pbLQnJLMdeGE_EF8sgbZECXy0csn1mt_edXLw58Tw2WAPQeyWvdx X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Well it's because everyone has been sold the lie that AM cannot possibly sound good. It can and has been demonstrated several times in its lifespan. It's just that the FCC and receiver manufacturers have never got behind it, mainly the FCC. It could be designed to produce sound all the way out to 20khz and in stereo. The FCC doesn't allow it. I think I read somewhere that the very max that is allowable is between 7-9 khz. I think that is on AM Stereo stations and AMAX standards for radios. Most stations are mono and maybe 5khz max on the high end. So called "Beautiful Music" left the AM airwaves in the 60s when they started moving to FM stations which at the time were uncompressed and not overprocessed. I agree with you that content needs to be there and that more music stations need to be there. People can only take so much talk. I enjoy listening to all types of radio including talk but everyone knows all these talk shows are one sided. You get the same old rehashed junk on every show. Oh yeah thats right you get fair and balanced too, both sides. You get conservative and republican, thats what they call the two fair and balanced sides. You never get anything from the other side of the fence. There needs to be more balance on talk. Who can really continue to listen to rush limbaugh? I never understood who could tolerate him anyway. To me he is still the pill poppin head that he's always been. I bet he let down his listeners when he did that crap. Oh but wait they always blindly follow people anyway and can't think for themselves. Yes I agree no one wants to listen to that crap all the time. There needs to be more music. If you want a real music station that is local and has personality look no further than WNMB 900 AM Stereo from lovely North Myrtle Beach! It's on the web too at www.wnmb900.com --- jotape1960 wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yeah but the only thing is I don't care for HD. > I > > > don't want to see it go anywhere. Any > technology that > > > uses file compression just doesn't catch my > fancy. > > > > The FM compression isn't that bad but the AM codec > is horrible. > > It sound much worse than a badly-encoded MP3, in > my ever-so-humble > opinion. > > -Jim- > > > > My humble opinion is to insist the future of the AM > band isn't a > technical problem. In other words, if it's analog or > digital, if it > has good or bad audio quality, if it's mono or > stereo, all is > nothing if AM radios doesn't have audience!!! > > In 1994 (12 years ago), in an ARCHI (Chilean > Broadcasters > Association) review interview, Mauricio Goldchain (a > chilean speaker > and correspondent who worked at VOA-Voice Of > America) said: "If the > AMs have less listeners is due they transmit > programs which don't > interest the listeners." And I think he had, and > still has, all the > reason. > > Maybe, we could discuss about some technical > improvements for > centuries, for ever and ever, but... we'll always > back to the same > simple problem: WHERE ARE THE LISTENERS? > > I have some personal opinion: I've lived on a radio > station for all > my life, BUT I HATE TO LISTEN RADIO BECAUSE THE > COMMERCIALS!!! It's > my personal opinion, but... Am I the only one? If we > would do a > survey, Wouldn't we find opinions like: "It's too > much talk, It's > too much sports, It's too much politic, It's too > much commercials"? > > Some solution? BACK TO BEAUTIFUL POPULAR > MUSIC!!!!!!! > > Then, when the AMs back to music, the listeners will > back to the AM. > > And, when it have done, then we will be able to talk > about the > technical issues. > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Dec 15 06:18:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91549 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2006 14:17:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2006 14:17:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52215.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.138) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2006 14:17:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 69879 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2006 14:14:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0RYFvhoVM1mFNE7dQvZ084qnNuVj68GR5Ko2pfcLcduW4HK7Lg6DGULW7eccgIZfxw-- Received: from [12.76.216.230] by web52215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 06:14:53 PST Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 06:14:53 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <695075.57723.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <727720.69226.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=vy8IGyZ35wNgT6E8iB6qgCRDqW_uOY87_5wWB7wGmUE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > Well it's because everyone has been sold the lie > that AM cannot possibly sound good. NO, everyone has NOT. Just stupid FM types.... ]:) > It can and has been demonstrated several times in >its lifespan. It what? > It's > just > that the FCC and receiver manufacturers have never > got > behind it, mainly the FCC. The FCC doesn't "get behind" anything. As for RX manufacturers, they are just cheap. They don't even know HOW to make a halfway decent RX. AM especially is bad, and FM is getting that way. And with all the DSP and modern chips and chipsets, there is simply no excuse. It could be designed to > produce sound all the way out to 20khz and in > stereo. But unfortunately the AM band is to overpopulated to really allow this, and most folks can't hear that far out anyway. > The FCC doesn't allow it. I think I read somewhere > that the very max that is allowable is between 7-9 > khz. WRONG 10 kilohertz I think that is on AM Stereo stations and AMAX > standards for radios. Most stations are mono and > maybe 5khz max on the high end. WRONG AGAIN! 5 kilohertz IF you are running IBOC or if you are a Clear Channel talk station. > So called > "Beautiful > Music" left the AM airwaves in the 60s when they > started moving to FM stations which at the time were > uncompressed and not overprocessed. They were NOT uncompressed. And for the most part Beautiful Music is gone from FM. [ GRRRR! ] Powell in West Columbia, SC soon to be Silverstreet, SC NNNN! From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Dec 15 08:52:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86195 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2006 16:51:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2006 16:51:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.122) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2006 16:51:11 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2006 16:51:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2006 16:51:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2006 16:51:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:51:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <727720.69226.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.122 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.92 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=HFHLk3cn04xgRh4rEbCVCEhsO-vXavjC3X1wDOUDe40fmsklxQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > --- Kevin Bell wrote: >=20 > > Well it's because everyone has been sold the lie > > that AM cannot possibly sound good. >=20 > NO, everyone has NOT. Just stupid FM types.... ]:) >=20 >=20 > > It can and has been demonstrated several times in > >its lifespan.=20 >=20 > It what?=20 >=20 > > It's > > just > > that the FCC and receiver manufacturers have never > > got > > behind it, mainly the FCC.=20 >=20 >=20 > The FCC doesn't "get behind" anything. As for RX > manufacturers, they are just cheap. They don't even > know HOW to make a halfway decent RX. AM especially is > bad, and FM is getting that way. And with all the DSP > and modern chips and chipsets, there is simply no > excuse.=20 >=20 >=20 > It could be designed to > > produce sound all the way out to 20khz and in > > stereo.=20 >=20 >=20 > But unfortunately the AM band is to overpopulated to > really allow this, and most folks can't hear that far > out anyway.=20 >=20 >=20 > > The FCC doesn't allow it. I think I read somewhere > > that the very max that is allowable is between 7-9 > > khz. >=20 >=20 >=20 > WRONG 10 kilohertz >=20 > I think that is on AM Stereo stations and AMAX > > standards for radios. Most stations are mono and > > maybe 5khz max on the high end.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > WRONG AGAIN! 5 kilohertz IF you are running IBOC or if > you are a Clear Channel talk station.=20 >=20 > > So called > > "Beautiful > > Music" left the AM airwaves in the 60s when they > > started moving to FM stations which at the time were > > uncompressed and not overprocessed.=20 >=20 > They were NOT uncompressed. And for the most part > Beautiful Music is gone from FM. [ GRRRR! ]=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell in West Columbia, SC soon to be Silverstreet, > SC=20 >=20 > NNNN! > Hi Kevin and Powell!!! It's the first time I see you're agreeing in some points. Hahahaha!!! It's so good!!! I absolutely agree with Kevin when he says the AM industry seems to=20 back to the past bad audio quality since 1990s. I don't understand=20 why!!! It isn't a Kahn's thought only, it's my thought too: THERE ISN'T ANY=20 TECHNICAL REASON SO THAT THE AM SOUNDS BAD!!! Even (and knowing the risk to be treated as an complete idiot) if we=20 have a 5 kHz bandwidth, only, and a very low distortion, AM sounds=20 better than the most today over modulated FM stations. I think a great part of the today AM bad audio quality problem is on=20 the bad kind of processing (and the bad format, of course). For=20 example: Time ago we tested 3 different AM processors. An "Optimod- AM", from orban, a "David", from Innovonics, and an "Amigo", from=20 CRL. Orban offers more than one "Optimod-AM" models, but we only=20 could test the typical analog "Optimod-AM" (however, we couldn't buy=20 it; you know: a little $$$ problem). We tested the three AM=20 processors BUT ALL OF THEM HAS ONLY A 7-8 KHZ FLAT BANDWIDTH AND A=20 LOT OF AUDIBLE MIDDLE RANGE OVER-COMPRESSION!!! In other words,=20 those processors seem to be made thinking on a bad audio chain, "a=20 priori". If you compare it with the "Optimod-FM", the "David FM" and=20 the "Amigo FM", you'll see a very different kind of audio treatment=20 (and results, of course). And I wonder: Why? The only one difference=20 between an AM processor and a FM processor must be the high=20 frecuency maximun limit, nothing more nothing less, but it isn't=20 that way. So, the bad audio quality isn't a TX/RX problem only. I don't want to say any about the receivers because it's a=20 manufacturers decision. I have three Philips AM tuners (two home and=20 one car radios) and they have a very "decent" audio, with a wide=20 audio band and low distortion. But I have another AM tuners from=20 another companies... A COMPLETE FAILURE!!! Of course, all this technical conversation is absolutely irrelevant=20 if the AM industry doesn't recover the audience!!! It's my humble opinion. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From tomray@wor710.com Fri Dec 15 09:32:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9372 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2006 17:32:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2006 17:32:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.206) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2006 17:32:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2006 17:32:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2006 17:32:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:32:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <695075.57723.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=UlsT1MTsqL-Q0O1sWkxt3Ov1pz0lD3ygFCIu5kMSEDKfyqv6 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 wrote: > > It's just > that the FCC and receiver manufacturers have never got > behind it, mainly the FCC.=20=20 Kevin: you gotta do some research. The FCC narrowed the transmitted=20 bandwidth many years ago. Many of the RX manufacturers really don't=20 care. Radio receivers account for less than 3% of their total=20 sales. Why do they want to put $ into something that generates less=20 than 3% revenue?? Think about it from a business point of view. >It could be designed to > produce sound all the way out to 20khz and in stereo.=20 > The FCC doesn't allow it.=20=20 Without the bandwidth restrictions required by the Commission, it's=20 very easy to transmit out to 20K and in stereo. It's not a fault of=20 the transmission end. I think I read somewhere > that the very max that is allowable is between 7-9 > khz. I think that is on AM Stereo stations and AMAX > standards for radios. Most stations are mono and > maybe 5khz max on the high end.=20=20 False statement. Rolloff must be around 9.5kHz to comply with the=20 NRSC curve. The majority of stations transmitting in mono are=20 transmitting up to that frequency limit. The ultimate limiting=20 factor is the receiver, many of which do not "hear" much above=20 3.5kHz. That is where your limit is. It's not in the transmit end,=20 with the exception of the FCC requirements. >So called "Beautiful > Music" left the AM airwaves in the 60s when they > started moving to FM stations which at the time were > uncompressed and not overprocessed.=20=20 Having worked at a beautiful muzak station, I would tend to disagree=20 regarding the processing. We had minimal compression, but we were=20 processed, using under 10dB compression on loud passages, minimal=20 clipping. If we didn't, you wouldn't have been able to find us on=20 the dial. > Oh yeah thats right you get fair and > balanced too, both sides.=20=20 Only if the station is broadcasting in stereo. Then, they can put=20 the conservative viewpoint on the left channel, and the liberal=20 viewpoint on the right channel. The resultant mono mix is a=20 complete mess :-) >Who can really continue to listen to rush > limbaugh? I never understood who could tolerate him > anyway.=20=20 I worked at a station that carried him. He can be quite=20 entertaining once you realize that he's a blowhard and he's putting=20 on an act. Don't believe me? REALLY listen to him some time. His=20 contradictions of his own viewpoints along with his tongue in cheek=20 comments give him away....but the scary thing is that people=20 actually believe the horsecrap. I have a friend who passed away not=20 too long ago. He was no dummy, and worked in the broadcast biz for=20 a while, so he could identify schtick when he heard it....but Rush=20 was telling him exactly what he wanted to hear, and he just couldn't=20 see past the rhetoric to see the act. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Fri Dec 15 09:41:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48851 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2006 17:40:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2006 17:40:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2006 17:40:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2006 17:40:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2006 17:40:06 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:40:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=wmlLej4SFp3-Ar3eAR8B0bXdWbPG3ErO7O-_WXyJXdd8ypSy X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: Time ago we tested 3 different AM processors. An "Optimod- > AM", from orban, a "David", from Innovonics, and an "Amigo", from=20 > CRL. Orban offers more than one "Optimod-AM" models, but we only=20 > could test the typical analog "Optimod-AM" (however, we couldn't=20 buy=20 > it; you know: a little $$$ problem). We tested the three AM=20 > processors BUT ALL OF THEM HAS ONLY A 7-8 KHZ FLAT BANDWIDTH AND A=20 > LOT OF AUDIBLE MIDDLE RANGE OVER-COMPRESSION!!! In other words,=20 > those processors seem to be made thinking on a bad audio chain, "a=20 > priori". If you compare it with the "Optimod-FM", the "David FM"=20 and=20 > the "Amigo FM", you'll see a very different kind of audio=20 treatment=20 > (and results, of course). And I wonder: Why? The only one=20 difference=20 > between an AM processor and a FM processor must be the high=20 > frecuency maximun limit, nothing more nothing less, but it isn't=20 > that way. So, the bad audio quality isn't a TX/RX problem only. >=20 Are you sure you defeated the NRSC curves in all three units, and=20 did you make sure that the EQ was really set flat? The Orban does=20 tend toward midrangy. BUT....if you give the midrange a=20 little...and I mean a little...push, the station will jump right out=20 of the dashboard speaker, and the voice clarity is much better. One=20 thing people tend to overdo is EQ. A little does an awful lot. If=20 you looked at any audio chain I've set up, you will notice the EQ is=20 almost barely off flat (that includes PA systems I've set up, unless=20 there is a severe acoustic problem in the venue or in the speakers=20 that requires a major adjustment). It's night and day switching=20 between the "barely" EQ'd side and the flat side. Too much EQ tends=20 to really defeat your purpose. You should really try an Omnia. The audio is much smoother sounding=20 than the other processort. Tom Ray WOR From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 15 12:18:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63407 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2006 20:14:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2006 20:14:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2006 20:14:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 89174 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2006 20:03:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WiJhTkQVM1k14VM7XAoBKnNigs6D_ymaCkRzSqRHjuLR25xZ69gRvStKKMm_xHtCOCKjtwHVfObirtvx7d7FgEheLGXdX.ejet42HZoIUATmGFflDDmu2KaWXZikHA8_NkAmGQwjAhnm91ZYQNMx0hKPPRjXrRbjdwg39ZqEffUx..vuZqxitw-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:03:16 PST Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:03:16 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <442107.87408.qm@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=aRDDds7uzfwNhFEoXDYeAEX2G28_A4bEPtuDf9gQmjuwUpqGYCTV X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Tom, Yeah I know the bandwith is limited and that's what I said was the problem, the limited bandwith. Perhaps I didn't make it clear. I agree if the FCC allowed all that bandwith AM could be done stereo and out to 20khz. That would sound great. I also agree that most of the problem is on the receiving end. It's hard to find a good AM or FM section for that matter in most of today's tuners. Tuners of 30 years ago certainly were much better on standard mono AM than those of today. I have an Onkyo receiver and although I love their sound on other sources, they cannot make a good tuner. That dang thing wont pull in crap! As for Rush, ha! Well I can see past all the bs he blows. I can't understand why people can't seem to wake up and quit blindly following these idiots into the fray. We all know that Rush Limbaugh and all the other clones are just a front for the bush administration. That's all that rhetoric ever was. I can't believe they still blindly follow and take up for bush! Don't even get me started on Mike Gallagher. I'm from Greenville, SC myself and he calls this place home eventhough he no longer lives here. Everyone knows he wasn't even from here! He's from Ohio originally but he makes it seem as though he's originally from SC! He's somewhat worse than Rush these days in the "lets blindly follow the leader" act. Uggh! -Kevin --- Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell > > wrote: > > > > It's just > > that the FCC and receiver manufacturers have never > got > > behind it, mainly the FCC. > > Kevin: you gotta do some research. The FCC narrowed > the transmitted > bandwidth many years ago. Many of the RX > manufacturers really don't > care. Radio receivers account for less than 3% of > their total > sales. Why do they want to put $ into something > that generates less > than 3% revenue?? Think about it from a business > point of view. > > >It could be designed to > > produce sound all the way out to 20khz and in > stereo. > > The FCC doesn't allow it. > > Without the bandwidth restrictions required by the > Commission, it's > very easy to transmit out to 20K and in stereo. > It's not a fault of > the transmission end. > > I think I read somewhere > > that the very max that is allowable is between 7-9 > > khz. I think that is on AM Stereo stations and > AMAX > > standards for radios. Most stations are mono and > > maybe 5khz max on the high end. > > False statement. Rolloff must be around 9.5kHz to > comply with the > NRSC curve. The majority of stations transmitting > in mono are > transmitting up to that frequency limit. The > ultimate limiting > factor is the receiver, many of which do not "hear" > much above > 3.5kHz. That is where your limit is. It's not in > the transmit end, > with the exception of the FCC requirements. > > >So called "Beautiful > > Music" left the AM airwaves in the 60s when they > > started moving to FM stations which at the time > were > > uncompressed and not overprocessed. > > > Having worked at a beautiful muzak station, I would > tend to disagree > regarding the processing. We had minimal > compression, but we were > processed, using under 10dB compression on loud > passages, minimal > clipping. If we didn't, you wouldn't have been able > to find us on > the dial. > > > > Oh yeah thats right you get fair and > > balanced too, both sides. > > Only if the station is broadcasting in stereo. > Then, they can put > the conservative viewpoint on the left channel, and > the liberal > viewpoint on the right channel. The resultant mono > mix is a > complete mess :-) > > >Who can really continue to listen to rush > > limbaugh? I never understood who could tolerate > him > > anyway. > > I worked at a station that carried him. He can be > quite > entertaining once you realize that he's a blowhard > and he's putting > on an act. Don't believe me? REALLY listen to him > some time. His > contradictions of his own viewpoints along with his > tongue in cheek > comments give him away....but the scary thing is > that people > actually believe the horsecrap. I have a friend who > passed away not > too long ago. He was no dummy, and worked in the > broadcast biz for > a while, so he could identify schtick when he heard > it....but Rush > was telling him exactly what he wanted to hear, and > he just couldn't > see past the rhetoric to see the act. > > Tom Ray > WOR > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Dec 15 15:39:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3926 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2006 23:37:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2006 23:37:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s4.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.140) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2006 23:37:10 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.114]) by bay0-omc2-s4.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:37:09 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:37:09 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:37:03 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:37:03 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2006 23:37:09.0115 (UTC) FILETIME=[EFF78CB0:01C720A1] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=-HmeLpTt6-fckXQdsN2jOMYUuifbC3pA_rtjEQRuOU4mo7dDwgrLRJ-AX1Y X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Speaking of Rush L, Tom Ray said: ".... He can be quite entertaining once you realize that he's a blowhard and he's putting on an act. Don't believe me? REALLY listen to him some time. His contradictions of his own viewpoints along with his tongue in cheek comments give him away....but the scary thing is that people actually believe the horsecrap. I have a friend who passed away not too long ago. He was no dummy, and worked in the broadcast biz for a while, so he could identify schtick when he heard it....but Rush was telling him exactly what he wanted to hear, and he just couldn't see past the rhetoric to see the act." That's is exactlly what the late Bob Lasiter ( formerly of WLS and WFLA and WSUN [died in October this year]), would say, that Rush's show was just schtick and that no one should get upset or take him seriously. It's obvious from his personal life (drugs, marriages, etc)that he is not the conservative person, he portrays himself as on the air. Donn, St Petersbug,FL From: "Tom Ray" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:32:08 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell wrote: > >It's just >that the FCC and receiver manufacturers have never got >behind it, mainly the FCC. Kevin: you gotta do some research. The FCC narrowed the transmitted bandwidth many years ago. Many of the RX manufacturers really don't care. Radio receivers account for less than 3% of their total sales. Why do they want to put $ into something that generates less than 3% revenue?? Think about it from a business point of view. >It could be designed to >produce sound all the way out to 20khz and in stereo. The FCC doesn't allow >it. Without the bandwidth restrictions required by the Commission, it's very easy to transmit out to 20K and in stereo. It's not a fault of the transmission end. I think I read somewhere >that the very max that is allowable is between 7-9 >khz. I think that is on AM Stereo stations and AMAX >standards for radios. Most stations are mono and >maybe 5khz max on the high end. False statement. Rolloff must be around 9.5kHz to comply with the NRSC curve. The majority of stations transmitting in mono are transmitting up to that frequency limit. The ultimate limiting factor is the receiver, many of which do not "hear" much above 3.5kHz. That is where your limit is. It's not in the transmit end, with the exception of the FCC requirements. >So called "Beautiful >Music" left the AM airwaves in the 60s when they >started moving to FM stations which at the time were >uncompressed and not overprocessed. Having worked at a beautiful muzak station, I would tend to disagree regarding the processing. We had minimal compression, but we were processed, using under 10dB compression on loud passages, minimal clipping. If we didn't, you wouldn't have been able to find us on the dial. >Oh yeah thats right you get fair and >balanced too, both sides. Only if the station is broadcasting in stereo. Then, they can put the conservative viewpoint on the left channel, and the liberal viewpoint on the right channel. The resultant mono mix is a complete mess :-) >Who can really continue to listen to rush >limbaugh? I never understood who could tolerate him >anyway. I worked at a station that carried him. He can be quite entertaining once you realize that he's a blowhard and he's putting on an act. Don't believe me? REALLY listen to him some time. His contradictions of his own viewpoints along with his tongue in cheek comments give him away....but the scary thing is that people actually believe the horsecrap. I have a friend who passed away not too long ago. He was no dummy, and worked in the broadcast biz for a while, so he could identify schtick when he heard it....but Rush was telling him exactly what he wanted to hear, and he just couldn't see past the rhetoric to see the act. Tom Ray WOR From w6yn@juno.com Fri Dec 15 17:07:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95298 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2006 01:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2006 01:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2006 01:05:17 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABC2GTP9AQSQ9HS for (sender ); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:02:55 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLFmQFvJuX7SvNwwCkcD8pNs= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id L9N3JRXY; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:02:05 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:00:33 -0800 Message-ID: <20061215.170134.3808.1.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.49 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,5-9,11-125 X-ContentStamp: 48:24:2655231095 X-MAIL-INFO:18a11c08bd49e199494c8dbd4c587505e105b8b96ccd9d5c9d580511c531d1a8c9418d7561dcd948ad68bd6888c12179797d3868910d7c3198c8e8a1ac68ac4d8ce80d55d525bc08c50dd5e56c791921082131cc6d65 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=uTRT3Mrf1q3v9bQ7tiBznV_5bFDSLZ922FE4Nx1KWg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn The important thing to remember is: Rush Limbaugh has the biggest audience on radio. He is the number one radio talk show host of all time. Anyone associated with Limbaugh makes lots of money. Isn't that what the business of broadcasting is all about? Or should I invest in Air America? Don On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:37:03 +0000 "Donn Tillman" writes: > Speaking of Rush L, Tom Ray said: > > ".... He can be quite > entertaining once you realize that he's a blowhard and he's putting > on an act. Don't believe me? REALLY listen to him some time. His > contradictions of his own viewpoints along with his tongue in cheek > comments give him away....but the scary thing is that people > actually believe the horsecrap. I have a friend who passed away not > too long ago. He was no dummy, and worked in the broadcast biz for > a while, so he could identify schtick when he heard it....but Rush > was telling him exactly what he wanted to hear, and he just > couldn't > see past the rhetoric to see the act." > > That's is exactlly what the late Bob Lasiter ( formerly of WLS and > WFLA and > WSUN [died in October this year]), would say, that Rush's show was > just > schtick and that no one should get upset or take him seriously. > > It's obvious from his personal life (drugs, marriages, etc)that he > is not > the conservative person, he portrays himself as on the air. > > Donn, > St Petersbug,FL > > > > > > > > > > From: "Tom Ray" > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't > Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:32:08 -0000 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell > wrote: > > > >It's just > >that the FCC and receiver manufacturers have never got > >behind it, mainly the FCC. > > Kevin: you gotta do some research. The FCC narrowed the transmitted > bandwidth many years ago. Many of the RX manufacturers really don't > care. Radio receivers account for less than 3% of their total > sales. Why do they want to put $ into something that generates less > than 3% revenue?? Think about it from a business point of view. > > >It could be designed to > >produce sound all the way out to 20khz and in stereo. The FCC > doesn't allow > >it. > > Without the bandwidth restrictions required by the Commission, it's > very easy to transmit out to 20K and in stereo. It's not a fault of > the transmission end. > > I think I read somewhere > >that the very max that is allowable is between 7-9 > >khz. I think that is on AM Stereo stations and AMAX > >standards for radios. Most stations are mono and > >maybe 5khz max on the high end. > > False statement. Rolloff must be around 9.5kHz to comply with the > NRSC curve. The majority of stations transmitting in mono are > transmitting up to that frequency limit. The ultimate limiting > factor is the receiver, many of which do not "hear" much above > 3.5kHz. That is where your limit is. It's not in the transmit end, > with the exception of the FCC requirements. > > >So called "Beautiful > >Music" left the AM airwaves in the 60s when they > >started moving to FM stations which at the time were > >uncompressed and not overprocessed. > > Having worked at a beautiful muzak station, I would tend to > disagree > regarding the processing. We had minimal compression, but we were > processed, using under 10dB compression on loud passages, minimal > clipping. If we didn't, you wouldn't have been able to find us on > the dial. > > >Oh yeah thats right you get fair and > >balanced too, both sides. > > Only if the station is broadcasting in stereo. Then, they can put > the conservative viewpoint on the left channel, and the liberal > viewpoint on the right channel. The resultant mono mix is a > complete mess :-) > > >Who can really continue to listen to rush > >limbaugh? I never understood who could tolerate him > >anyway. > > I worked at a station that carried him. He can be quite > entertaining once you realize that he's a blowhard and he's putting > on an act. Don't believe me? REALLY listen to him some time. His > contradictions of his own viewpoints along with his tongue in cheek > comments give him away....but the scary thing is that people > actually believe the horsecrap. I have a friend who passed away not > too long ago. He was no dummy, and worked in the broadcast biz for > a while, so he could identify schtick when he heard it....but Rush > was telling him exactly what he wanted to hear, and he just > couldn't > see past the rhetoric to see the act. > > Tom Ray > WOR > From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Fri Dec 15 18:15:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61214 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2006 02:15:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2006 02:15:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2006 02:15:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2006 02:14:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2006 02:14:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 02:14:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20061215.170134.3808.1.w6yn@juno.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.144.106.204 From: "Juan" Subject: Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=F9IV04EBLmJD3lp7GkqMham0Sedb_EEqoJ4IcFk8x-F1Wpc X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > > The important thing to remember is: Rush Limbaugh has the biggest > audience on radio. He is the number one radio talk show host of all=20 time. So what ? ? > Anyone associated with Limbaugh makes lots of money.=20 Don't tell that to my former employer. Yeah, Rush has a big audience, so does WWE Wrestling.......... Juan From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 15 19:39:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34977 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2006 03:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2006 03:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.30) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2006 03:38:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 46116 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Dec 2006 03:38:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20061216033821.46114.qmail@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 3guvtYAVM1mszykoNewNETJkF5Z10G6eq_FiiXnujjs12_WVbcKyvftYwt7NvEciliNqEE.Q8SZVCf5RC0KIYTwlvnEhsbYfEvlsYBp48xVeqAv11RNf5.5OFXB7WtvT.bDGpJmXBrYnoaDMCHPKSPZlv2IL4o1j2FjA0g1xyabShsqQ7WcCbsEYCQ-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:38:20 PST Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:38:20 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=Kjm2_-zndTNEEcKgVNRECNRqZmWcdXBDTPUMXacMOV3xw9-KKwmL X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Exactly! And have you noticed how these so called conservative shows have rap music for bumper music? Perhaps you haven't noticed it because they take out the vocals but its the exact beat and music. I know because I am younger than a lot on the forum, i'm 33. I keep up with music quite well and I can tell you that many of these use that kind of music for their bumper music because it's upbeat and hip. The problem is that it goes against their so called values. It always made me laugh when i'd hear them cry and moan about these rappers yet they use those rappers music for bumper music! Ha! What a big lie those people are. I've never bought into these people. I don't claim either party, I like to think I can sift through the crap on both sides and figure out who's true and who's just a lyer. The difference these days is getting harder to tell. Another thing that gets me is how they preach that america was founded on christian values! Perhaps in a small way but the FACT is that we were founded on freedom of religion and there was such paperwork in a document that is called "seperation of church and state". If you listen to some of these schtickts they'd have america to be a theocracy and ruled by the church. I am in no way anti religious at all but people need to face the facts and stop rewriting history. We need to take back America and put it on course! -Kevin --- Donn Tillman wrote: > Speaking of Rush L, Tom Ray said: > > ".... He can be quite > entertaining once you realize that he's a blowhard > and he's putting > on an act. Don't believe me? REALLY listen to him > some time. His > contradictions of his own viewpoints along with his > tongue in cheek > comments give him away....but the scary thing is > that people > actually believe the horsecrap. I have a friend who > passed away not > too long ago. He was no dummy, and worked in the > broadcast biz for > a while, so he could identify schtick when he heard > it....but Rush > was telling him exactly what he wanted to hear, and > he just couldn't > see past the rhetoric to see the act." > > That's is exactlly what the late Bob Lasiter ( > formerly of WLS and WFLA and > WSUN [died in October this year]), would say, that > Rush's show was just > schtick and that no one should get upset or take him > seriously. > > It's obvious from his personal life (drugs, > marriages, etc)that he is not > the conservative person, he portrays himself as on > the air. > > Donn, > St Petersbug,FL > > > > > > > > > > From: "Tom Ray" > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that > don't > Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:32:08 -0000 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell > > wrote: > > > >It's just > >that the FCC and receiver manufacturers have never > got > >behind it, mainly the FCC. > > Kevin: you gotta do some research. The FCC narrowed > the transmitted > bandwidth many years ago. Many of the RX > manufacturers really don't > care. Radio receivers account for less than 3% of > their total > sales. Why do they want to put $ into something that > generates less > than 3% revenue?? Think about it from a business > point of view. > > >It could be designed to > >produce sound all the way out to 20khz and in > stereo. The FCC doesn't allow > >it. > > Without the bandwidth restrictions required by the > Commission, it's > very easy to transmit out to 20K and in stereo. It's > not a fault of > the transmission end. > > I think I read somewhere > >that the very max that is allowable is between 7-9 > >khz. I think that is on AM Stereo stations and AMAX > >standards for radios. Most stations are mono and > >maybe 5khz max on the high end. > > False statement. Rolloff must be around 9.5kHz to > comply with the > NRSC curve. The majority of stations transmitting in > mono are > transmitting up to that frequency limit. The > ultimate limiting > factor is the receiver, many of which do not "hear" > much above > 3.5kHz. That is where your limit is. It's not in the > transmit end, > with the exception of the FCC requirements. > > >So called "Beautiful > >Music" left the AM airwaves in the 60s when they > >started moving to FM stations which at the time > were > >uncompressed and not overprocessed. > > Having worked at a beautiful muzak station, I would > tend to disagree > regarding the processing. We had minimal > compression, but we were > processed, using under 10dB compression on loud > passages, minimal > clipping. If we didn't, you wouldn't have been able > to find us on > the dial. > > >Oh yeah thats right you get fair and > >balanced too, both sides. > > Only if the station is broadcasting in stereo. Then, > they can put > the conservative viewpoint on the left channel, and > the liberal > viewpoint on the right channel. The resultant mono > mix is a > complete mess :-) > > >Who can really continue to listen to rush > >limbaugh? I never understood who could tolerate him > >anyway. > > I worked at a station that carried him. He can be > quite > entertaining once you realize that he's a blowhard > and he's putting > on an act. Don't believe me? REALLY listen to him > some time. His > contradictions of his own viewpoints along with his > tongue in cheek > comments give him away....but the scary thing is > that people > actually believe the horsecrap. I have a friend who > passed away not > too long ago. He was no dummy, and worked in the > broadcast biz for > a while, so he could identify schtick when he heard > it....but Rush > was telling him exactly what he wanted to hear, and > he just couldn't > see past the rhetoric to see the act. > > Tom Ray > WOR > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 15 19:51:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93539 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2006 03:49:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2006 03:49:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.39) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2006 03:49:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 64404 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Dec 2006 03:49:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: OFYLF5kVM1lbjQ79HibqG3OPLjR6UyMgpXDRfYltCtUzc0s4rj4Wd.3RIXASFAlR8JyvCCkBgtH3kCzo__QVdq8nFwY8FBVufVDs1zKdK7sL7lhfgJvXR1VS26o4RdF.1JwejDYSxCiVGcujfKsReSRH_w-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:49:49 PST Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:49:49 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <425842.42625.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=FGbUOjy--aVMCIMVyUpQwanBNrAjDMD38sRGpf5kG0p0xjxEIINA X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke HA! --- Juan wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don > Milbury wrote: > > > > The important thing to remember is: Rush Limbaugh > has the biggest > > audience on radio. He is the number one radio talk > show host of all > time. > > > So what ? ? > > > > Anyone associated with Limbaugh makes lots of > money. > > Don't tell that to my former employer. > > > Yeah, Rush has a big audience, so does WWE > Wrestling.......... > > > > Juan > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 15 19:51:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33051 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2006 03:49:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2006 03:49:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2006 03:49:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 39458 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Dec 2006 03:49:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20061216034916.39456.qmail@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: JwY49VYVM1k9SizyN7Xf30EE7dk_bt5BpBZNl3YCy4t5ddsMfIYFl27N5cBhHyHhHWirQhqYel5tw4gfoVaWyeARp8VTbmiynz.WAmJQYrKSfXiBUjneylS92iweGfOIP7Vo5fmah2S.YcRofAmrJJDT7XQg7pPihKlfUExBERfAlBkYkYCasbcm2A-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:49:15 PST Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:49:15 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20061215.170134.3808.1.w6yn@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=_5m9nOEJlRVQh-lNsytxJTwKFwREqlyXAarkv4cF_T8YjvZN6jTQ X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Please don't tell me that you follow him and his rhetoric! Actually I dont mind if you do. I'd be the first to stand up for your right to believe or follow who you want. I'd just not place much faith in those particlar people. I do believe in the freedom of speech and all of our american rights. People should be able to live the lifestyle they choose and worship how they want. I believe in the america the framers of the constitution envisioned. Nothing these people blow from their mouths is about the america that the framers intended. It amazes me how they support things like that patriot act. What really amazes me is the lack of thought that the general public has. No one cares about history or learning anything from it. That's sad. Our rights are being eroded daily and people need to wake up before we are a police state. Complacency is the path to that very thing. At any rate i'd be happy if we just put this horse to rest, we've beat it too much. Lets get back to AM STEREO and AM in general! By the way I want to give an update. I took the Radio Shack Extreme crap radio back. Apparently a lot of people have taken them back from what I heard. I will tell you this. I was willing to give the rat shack another chance and I went with the 12-889 AM/FM/WX radio that is ANALOG! Let me say that the construction is decent and the performance is great. The AM has a very nice clean and pleasing tone. The FM is clear as well and so is the weather band. It is a normal analog dial and tuner. The speaker grill is aluminum. It takes 4 C size batteries or can run from the AC cord that is supplied. It also has a headphone jack and all the radio shack brand radios now work with stereo headphones without having to secure a mono adapter. I feel for $29 bucks this radio is a good deal. At least mine is and i've had excellent sound and service so far. I've used it most of the day. Bought it at 9 am this morning. Check it out on the radio shack site or a store. Take care yall and God Bless America! -Kevin --- W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > The important thing to remember is: Rush Limbaugh > has the biggest > audience on radio. He is the number one radio talk > show host of all time. > Anyone associated with Limbaugh makes lots of money. > > > Isn't that what the business of broadcasting is all > about? Or should I > invest in Air America? > > Don > > > On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:37:03 +0000 "Donn Tillman" > writes: > > Speaking of Rush L, Tom Ray said: > > > > ".... He can be quite > > entertaining once you realize that he's a blowhard > and he's putting > > on an act. Don't believe me? REALLY listen to him > some time. His > > contradictions of his own viewpoints along with > his tongue in cheek > > comments give him away....but the scary thing is > that people > > actually believe the horsecrap. I have a friend > who passed away not > > too long ago. He was no dummy, and worked in the > broadcast biz for > > a while, so he could identify schtick when he > heard it....but Rush > > was telling him exactly what he wanted to hear, > and he just > > couldn't > > see past the rhetoric to see the act." > > > > That's is exactlly what the late Bob Lasiter ( > formerly of WLS and > > WFLA and > > WSUN [died in October this year]), would say, that > Rush's show was > > just > > schtick and that no one should get upset or take > him seriously. > > > > It's obvious from his personal life (drugs, > marriages, etc)that he > > is not > > the conservative person, he portrays himself as on > the air. > > > > Donn, > > St Petersbug,FL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Tom Ray" > > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those > that don't > > Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:32:08 -0000 > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell > > > wrote: > > > > > >It's just > > >that the FCC and receiver manufacturers have > never got > > >behind it, mainly the FCC. > > > > Kevin: you gotta do some research. The FCC > narrowed the transmitted > > bandwidth many years ago. Many of the RX > manufacturers really don't > > care. Radio receivers account for less than 3% of > their total > > sales. Why do they want to put $ into something > that generates less > > than 3% revenue?? Think about it from a business > point of view. > > > > >It could be designed to > > >produce sound all the way out to 20khz and in > stereo. The FCC > > doesn't allow > > >it. > > > > Without the bandwidth restrictions required by the > Commission, it's > > very easy to transmit out to 20K and in stereo. > It's not a fault of > > the transmission end. > > > > I think I read somewhere > > >that the very max that is allowable is between > 7-9 > > >khz. I think that is on AM Stereo stations and > AMAX > > >standards for radios. Most stations are mono and > > >maybe 5khz max on the high end. > > > > False statement. Rolloff must be around 9.5kHz to > comply with the > > NRSC curve. The majority of stations transmitting > in mono are > > transmitting up to that frequency limit. The > ultimate limiting > > factor is the receiver, many of which do not > "hear" much above > > 3.5kHz. That is where your limit is. It's not in > the transmit end, > > with the exception of the FCC requirements. > > > > >So called "Beautiful > > >Music" left the AM airwaves in the 60s when they > > >started moving to FM stations which at the time > were > > >uncompressed and not overprocessed. > > > > Having worked at a beautiful muzak station, I > would tend to > > disagree > > regarding the processing. We had minimal > compression, but we were > > processed, using under 10dB compression on loud > passages, minimal > > clipping. If we didn't, you wouldn't have been > able to find us on > > the dial. > > > > >Oh yeah thats right you get fair and > > >balanced too, both sides. > > > > Only if the station is broadcasting in stereo. > Then, they can put > > the conservative viewpoint on the left channel, > and the liberal > > viewpoint on the right channel. The resultant mono > mix is a > > complete mess :-) > > > > >Who can really continue to listen to rush > > >limbaugh? I never understood who could tolerate > him > > >anyway. > > > > I worked at a station that carried him. He can be > quite > > entertaining once you realize that he's a blowhard > and he's putting > > on an act. Don't believe me? REALLY listen to him > some time. His > > contradictions of his own viewpoints along with > his tongue in cheek > > comments give him away....but the scary thing is > that people > > actually believe the horsecrap. I have a friend > who passed away not > > too long ago. He was no dummy, and worked in the > broadcast biz for > > a while, so he could identify schtick when he > heard it....but Rush > > was telling him exactly what he wanted to hear, > and he just > > couldn't > > see past the rhetoric to see the act. > > > > Tom Ray > > WOR > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 15 19:52:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60742 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2006 03:51:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2006 03:51:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.33) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2006 03:51:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 87536 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Dec 2006 03:49:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VpyTZ08VM1nEy7IY4WXvKXldyTsbKQWtVmyAEOf211WDlXY06lk_8AqEgbeYAS21cauJHFm9CfWwApLh3LifmyOYuM6U5crCZrZO4AYBz6PGkDIX9BSZNjkJfsENChOBld0D8kU- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:49:48 PST Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:49:48 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <339995.84941.qm@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=8IAs5s4eMOUDGiWy-QWXKgbooZ_2qDyKUAqbmy7nEemI1L9XypWg X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke HA! --- Juan wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don > Milbury wrote: > > > > The important thing to remember is: Rush Limbaugh > has the biggest > > audience on radio. He is the number one radio talk > show host of all > time. > > > So what ? ? > > > > Anyone associated with Limbaugh makes lots of > money. > > Don't tell that to my former employer. > > > Yeah, Rush has a big audience, so does WWE > Wrestling.......... > > > > Juan > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 15 19:52:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82481 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2006 03:51:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2006 03:51:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.36) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2006 03:51:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 8862 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Dec 2006 03:50:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kQ2yl8AVM1kOmIlo9AtPLUQyJXFH2LjBDdYsgLE445tfLA0ADYmT9pGxCm4KORwbvruBPQvdMK_fcp58AXOPEnRrLqBr5xvIhB8n3GcdiLAIdgtBTDyNz0JEbq_gZasSofeuW3TE Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:50:31 PST Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:50:31 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <26572.8753.qm@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=Reh8P7jyXxTwhoGUbKftE2S9w8Rl2Vi4zHTpPmIiYF8CXdoUM5kD X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke My first attempt at replying to this got screwed up somehow. I just wanted to say HA! Juan you hit the nail on the head buddy! --- Juan wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don > Milbury wrote: > > > > The important thing to remember is: Rush Limbaugh > has the biggest > > audience on radio. He is the number one radio talk > show host of all > time. > > > So what ? ? > > > > Anyone associated with Limbaugh makes lots of > money. > > Don't tell that to my former employer. > > > Yeah, Rush has a big audience, so does WWE > Wrestling.......... > > > > Juan > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From w6yn@juno.com Fri Dec 15 21:11:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72364 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2006 05:09:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2006 05:09:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2006 05:09:12 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABC2G95JAVJWTPA for (sender ); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:08:56 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLPQEMfZfxPFv11Qrba+t+3w= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id L9PHMYV8; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:08:31 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:07:31 -0800 Message-ID: <20061215.210734.2004.0.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.49 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,6-16 X-ContentStamp: 3:4:1592426972 X-MAIL-INFO:1089687865a57d8d6d450c682dbda5f98581eded2cc83d2c7c X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=767Ph8iwnEzZ5yED_X-77QDaFboN-4gzSiGQ__cf9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Nothing succeeds like success. Rush's show is entertainment. If you aren't entertained, you listen elsewhere or click "OFF.". You do not whine and complain about what you are not forced to listen to. Don On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 02:14:58 -0000 "Juan" writes: > So what ? ? > Don't tell that to my former employer. > Yeah, Rush has a big audience, so does WWE Wrestling.......... > Juan From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat Dec 16 04:30:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20116 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2006 12:30:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2006 12:30:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.133) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2006 12:30:28 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2006 12:29:25 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2006 12:29:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2006 12:29:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:29:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20061215.210734.2004.0.w6yn@juno.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.144.106.204 From: "Juan" Subject: Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=DrynRbgNTvsuiHrqqrCdtTncj3BhSHfln00KRXX2stGLt84 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > > Nothing succeeds like success.=20 Brilliant statement. Whatever that means. > Rush's show is entertainment. If you aren't entertained, you listen > elsewhere or click "OFF.".=20 >=20 > You do not whine and complain about what you are not forced to listen=20 to. > Don Who's whining and complaining ? Heck, Rush said he hoped all illegal=20 Drug users should be sent to jail. I guess he meant everyone escept=20 himself. What a windbag and a hipocrite he is.=20 I wish him all the best, and maybe one day I WILL LISTEN, that is the=20 day he will explain why he went with a group of other men, to the=20 Dominican Republic with his Viagra Prescription (in somebody elses=20 name).....I'd love to hear that one ! By the way, My "off" button is exercised everytime I hear this=20 demagogue windbag on the Radio. Juan=20 From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Dec 16 08:15:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64686 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2006 16:13:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2006 16:13:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52210.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.133) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2006 16:13:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 82415 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Dec 2006 16:13:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 6uw5YRIVM1kPJhrtNvZhuVJfVBq_koyzJTAzupY_ Received: from [12.76.217.24] by web52210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 08:13:20 PST Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 08:13:20 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <38931.81068.qm@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=mGVrnRHN1VXeik2Ru3qHmjE7-Hi6ooQwT5cPItZ0qKI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Juan wrote: > Who's whining and complaining ? Heck, Rush said he > hoped all illegal > Drug users should be sent to jail. I guess he meant > everyone escept > himself. What a windbag and a hipocrite he is. He was prescribed those drugs for severe back pain from permanent damage. I'M SO SURE HE ENJOYED THE PAIN, AND GETTING HOOKED ON THOSE DRUGS. > I wish him all the best, and maybe one day I WILL > LISTEN, that is the > day he will explain why he went with a group of > other men, to the > Dominican Republic with his Viagra Prescription (in > somebody elses > name).....I'd love to hear that one ! He explained that on the air....more than once. > By the way, My "off" button is exercised everytime I > hear this demagogue windbag on the Radio. > Juan But you don't excercise that when a left wing demagogue is on? Rush bores me, though I listen sometimes. I listen to Neil Boortz. It's so much funnnnn when a right wing religous zealot calls in with an anti gay rant. He puts them on immediately and and lets them ( with a bit of help) self destruct on the air. I don't agree with Neil on some things, but he's way more entertaining. Powell NNNN! From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Dec 16 09:06:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65005 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2006 17:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2006 17:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2006 17:05:23 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.193]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 139799445 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:03:32 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <003601c72134$9915b0a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:06:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 3, in=4, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.193 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=sgDVPRk0gC5WidQwHR26sb5XVsaV4guK00xNRVsA3Pwao_tzJwWY X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You mean Rush's views are actually closer to Al Franken's in real life? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ray" > >Who can really continue to listen to rush > > limbaugh? I never understood who could tolerate him > > anyway. > > I worked at a station that carried him. He can be quite > entertaining once you realize that he's a blowhard and he's putting > on an act. Don't believe me? REALLY listen to him some time. His > contradictions of his own viewpoints along with his tongue in cheek > comments give him away....but the scary thing is that people > actually believe the horsecrap. I have a friend who passed away not > too long ago. He was no dummy, and worked in the broadcast biz for > a while, so he could identify schtick when he heard it....but Rush > was telling him exactly what he wanted to hear, and he just couldn't > see past the rhetoric to see the act. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Dec 16 09:13:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23438 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2006 17:12:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2006 17:12:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2006 17:12:38 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.193]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 138289198 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:10:48 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004f01c72135$9c98ee80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20061215101532.48094.qmail@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:14:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Catcher Incoming Last 2, First 15, in=18, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.193 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=HtgXA2pJh0jP-zGbqcufVSOVYEGwtr4UDlv3x8qFpPBSdqbhVwGs X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" > But my point is why have compression period? Why not > strive for the best quality sound possible? It seems > as though we are going back in time, far back beyond > the 60s when sound wasn't quite hi-fi yet All those bits take bandwidth, of which there's a finite amount per radio channel. Scott Todd From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Dec 16 09:26:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47851 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2006 17:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2006 17:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2006 17:23:14 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.193]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 139800132 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:07:34 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201c72135$2953f5a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <442107.87408.qm@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:10:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 3, in=5, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.193 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=ZNKRZqZFl09_wmuEEr1r5qN2bVPB9Zo1q1hJghYE7fwmUQCxG6pH X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude We've got him on one of our station and he calls it his "adopted home state." It's all very open and nothing hypocritcal about it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" Don't even get me started on Mike > Gallagher. I'm from Greenville, SC myself and he > calls this place home eventhough he no longer lives > here. Everyone knows he wasn't even from here! He's > from Ohio originally but he makes it seem as though > he's originally from SC! He's somewhat worse than > Rush these days in the "lets blindly follow the > leader" act. Uggh! From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Dec 16 09:26:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54273 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2006 17:12:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2006 17:12:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2006 17:12:22 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.193]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 137308255 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:10:11 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004c01c72135$86dc0d20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:13:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.220.193 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=dzmhCpD7UNPtJ2njHf0W7ibtVHpZ4bNfTIzHwMocQX21sNdxcDPW X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude There's every difference in the world in becoming addicted to pain killers due to a partially unsuccessful back surgery and the kid who's out to get some thrills. Failure to live up to a standard doesn't invalidate those standards. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" > > That's is exactlly what the late Bob Lasiter ( formerly of WLS and WFLA and > WSUN [died in October this year]), would say, that Rush's show was just > schtick and that no one should get upset or take him seriously. > > It's obvious from his personal life (drugs, marriages, etc)that he is not > the conservative person, he portrays himself as on the air. > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Dec 16 09:46:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56641 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2006 17:43:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2006 17:43:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2006 17:43:25 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.193]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 137309378 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:15:08 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <005b01c72136$37d7f940$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <695075.57723.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:18:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.193 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=FT9HlSAaDajF1SeQ3xEdByirMOMH9y9ih23Hqlc6jfhjTWijtc7E X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Despite Air America's bankruptcy, there are some lefty talkers who do manage to get halfway decent ratings, but both of them are syndicated by Jones rather than AAR- Stephanie Miller and Ed Schultz. Only listened to the former once, though I can say Sgt. Schultz is as intellectually dishonest as they come. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" > I agree with you > that content needs to be there and that more music > stations need to be there. People can only take so > much talk. I enjoy listening to all types of radio > including talk but everyone knows all these talk shows > are one sided. You get the same old rehashed junk on > every show. Oh yeah thats right you get fair and > balanced too, both sides. You get conservative and > republican, thats what they call the two fair and > balanced sides. You never get anything from the other > side of the fence. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Dec 16 09:47:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59832 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2006 17:46:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2006 17:46:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2006 17:46:57 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.193]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 140485129 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:46:54 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <007901c7213a$a77f3520$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20061216033821.46114.qmail@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:50:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SpamDetect: ****: 4.100000 SpamUrl=4.1 X-SpamUrl: gopusa.com X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 1, in=3, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.193 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: OT: what's really eroding our culture- was Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=MKdaDpxaSf3tBReNJ3QNYfGeN_69Igyx3BwXgnHjFr7GTVY13RPS X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" > Exactly! And have you noticed how these so called > conservative shows have rap music for bumper music? What shows are you talking about? I don't hear it on Laura Ingraham (all over the road mix of country and various pop styles-m rarely rap); Dennis Prager has jazz for his bumps; maybe occasionally on Michael Medved, though his Jewish sounding Christmas bumps are extremely entertaining. The rest of the year it's harder rock; Hugh Hewitt- various pop but not rap; Michael Savage- either heavy metal or 50s rock. I don't listen to Rush usually. > Perhaps you haven't noticed it because they take out > the vocals but its the exact beat and music. I know > because I am younger than a lot on the forum, i'm 33. > I keep up with music quite well and I can tell you > that many of these use that kind of music for their > bumper music because it's upbeat and hip. The problem > is that it goes against their so called values. You mean it's not possible to like a certain style while not endorsing someone's message? Were you aware there are Christian rappers, punk rock and metal groups? Evil is more in the message than the style. Another thing that gets me is > how they preach that america was founded on christian > values! Perhaps in a small way but the FACT is that > we were founded on freedom of religion and there was > such paperwork in a document that is called > "seperation of church and state". If you listen to > some of these schtickts they'd have america to be a > theocracy and ruled by the church. I am in no way > anti religious at all but people need to face the > facts and stop rewriting history. We need to take > back America and put it on course! Being older than you has it's advantages- this was very much a more religious nation back then than it is now. It is you who have been brainwashed to believe the "separation of church and state" is somehow in the Constitution; that religious people have no right to have their input on government; that George Washington was actually a deist (I don't know of ANY deists who pray an hour each morning as he did.) It's you who have gotten the history revision via the government schools and the media elites. The first amendment is merely an anti-establishment clause, that government is to be secular, not secularist which is what it is increasingly becoming. I don't have a whole lot of hope for the future of our country due to so many people holding your views. I wish Hillsdale College would make their Constitution course available on line. I'd be willing to pay for some of you to take it! If you think all our rights are being eroded by the right, read the following on how hate-speech laws will really create a police state: http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/guest/2006/sd_12041.shtml contains a very worthwhile comment on the "separation" issue http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/guest/2006/sd_12111.shtml Do you honestly think that these government busy-bodies can actually determine your motives? I'm getting ready to say screw you libs- just try and save AM stereo on your own. You can't afford to alienate one of the few engineers on this list. Scott Todd From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Dec 16 10:12:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19643 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2006 18:11:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2006 18:11:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2006 18:11:33 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.193]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 139809987 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:04:32 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bb01c7213d$1e64e980$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:07:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 3, in=6, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.193 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Music on AM- was: Re: {AMSF} Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=LOdCrokiCcGAYh8DPd46aKjKrkv1O1_HfoBFmd_X-An9roL11I-C X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I've seen it happen a number of times- an AM will start a music format and it gets popular enough that some FM flips to that same format and takes the audience away. Scott TOdd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" If we would do a survey, Wouldn't we find opinions like: "It's too much talk, It's too much sports, It's too much politic, It's too much commercials"? Some solution? BACK TO BEAUTIFUL POPULAR MUSIC!!!!!!! Then, when the AMs back to music, the listeners will back to the AM. From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Dec 16 10:14:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12795 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2006 18:14:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2006 18:14:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao01.cox.net) (68.230.241.38) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2006 18:14:11 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061216181310.DENI9173.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 13:13:10 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id zWCW1V00H2DrW980000000; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 13:12:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <36BD1468-B61A-487B-8C90-6E42E8734F26@cox.net> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 10:13:09 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=ah11b2UtfQ18COVmDy4E5T2zqmoSisHvYGc2TMV5QMEW_ZGLbg66gnuvenH- X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, I don't believe he ever said that. It may be a statement that combines things he said, but as with almost all quotes given in the media that Limbaugh supposedly said, it is wishful thinking on the part of people who don't listen and/or hate him. It amazes me the number of people who spout off how much Rush sucks who have never even listened to his show. Richard Wagoner On Dec 16, 2006, at 4:29 AM, Juan wrote: > Who's whining and complaining ? Heck, Rush said he hoped all illegal > Drug users should be sent to jail. I guess he meant everyone escept > himself. What a windbag and a hipocrite he is. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kjones_731@yahoo.com Sat Dec 16 12:31:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kjones_731@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43948 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2006 20:28:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2006 20:28:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web81902.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.181) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2006 20:28:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 86561 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Dec 2006 20:25:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7GN764YVM1kvAqQa_Fb..DZGMa6.pzj65yD6x9UIM6WwEWv57XaNqCXr_WxhXNBLmNH3sQsfCyU73oCAMNUPsMmS7LjJce7PcIdVaTsulUDTdE2k2_qtY3lF2N0PTmcs Received: from [69.223.180.155] by web81902.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:25:42 PST Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:25:42 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <557479.86180.qm@web81902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kirk Jones Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=58737040; y=gdfXlyXSt7KAmO1TT9bQQwhzmjoHg48YiYRoxDy_QbFkOwpIGA X-Yahoo-Profile: kjones_731 Anyone ever notice Rush lost all his wieght when he had the back pain. Maybe he could write a diet book? LOL From badeditpro@charter.net Sat Dec 16 14:01:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89215 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2006 22:01:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2006 22:01:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtao02.charter.net) (209.225.8.187) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2006 22:01:00 -0000 Received: from aa08.charter.net ([10.20.200.160]) by mtao02.charter.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20061216215938.QGLV1323.mtao02.charter.net@aa08.charter.net> for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 16:59:38 -0500 Received: from yourfd6nvjcer4 ([68.115.177.50]) by aa08.charter.net with SMTP id <20061216215938.YSXO1449.aa08.charter.net@yourfd6nvjcer4> for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 16:59:38 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c7215d$7e66a600$32b17344@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 16:59:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Chzlrs: 0 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.8.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=0uGQcpV2YsN4ZAFzruasYafGYBv6CZ6dzdv0tITLMvjz2KhhqKbpqcbBJgdz X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey All, Interesting debate here... I just wanted to add one or two thoughts. First off, whether the GP will listen to a radio station has more to do with the programming than the technical quality of the signal. People will go to great lengths to get a better radio, an outdoor antenna and all that if they find a station that is doing something they find compelling. Examples? I grew up in the Norfolk market and during the eighties, we had a underground rock station that played a very interesting and well presented mix of music. WNOR was the big rock station with a great FM signal that blanketed the market. Still, there was a dedicated group of people who put up FM antennas to get WOFM broadcasting with a beefy 3 k out of Moyock, NC, which is a good 40 miles outside the market. WNOR was playing all CD's with state of the art studios and all the hot processing toys of the day. Little Magic 92/WOFM was playing mainly vinyl records and they used an ancient Optimod 8000 cranked up to the max to try and compete. They didn't even have stereo cart machines so all of the spots were in mono. I don't think anyone noticed. It was the great jocks and the unique music that people went after. They didn't have to spend money on promotion that they did not have in the first place. The success of the station was mainly from word of mouth alone. "Hey have you heard what these guys are doing?..." I occasionally run into someone who remembers Magic 92 and it is always remembered with fondness. And, this is almost 20 years after it was swallowed up in the big rush to consolidation. Later, I had the opportunity to program a 1 k am station in Hampton. Right in the middle of the market. We decided to do classic country and believe it or not, we gave the two 50 k FM stations doing country a run for their money. Same thing as ten years before with WOFM: We had programming that folks couldn't get anywhere else. With all that in mind, it seems to me that dumping money into unproven HD technology is a fool's errand if the programming isn't there. Crap in digital is still crap. Period. The best thing terrestrial radio can do to insure a bright future is to get back to doing good, local radio. The same standards still apply today that did 20 or 30 years ago... Actually, maintaining high standards is now more important with all of the competing mediums out there. It's gotta be more than music if you want to compete with iPods, internet streams and Sat Rad. Fortunately, I am seeing a turnaround from the self destructive "let's do it on the cheap" attitude that has plagued radio for the last 15 years. Let's just hope that it not too little too late. It took us two decades to get into the quagmire we're in now. It will take some time to get out. Oh, and one more parting shot... I have run into those that argue that people don't care about radio anymore and there's no real demand for better receivers and better programming. My response to them is this: Nobody was bugging Detroit for a minivan in the 70's either. It took a visionary car designer who pushed very, very hard for an idea he believed in for ten years to make it a reality. They said the same thing to him and he refused to listen. All true radio pioneers have had the same attitude and that is what we need right now, radio pioneers.... Happy Holidays! :) JC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Dec 16 15:43:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55504 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2006 23:43:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2006 23:43:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.117) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2006 23:43:31 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2006 23:43:26 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2006 23:43:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2006 23:43:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 23:43:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004f01c72135$9c98ee80$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.23 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=VxqtEg0xmVWOE24TW8rK0mErkBxm5hsI8XTrpMHdQ0D4jQUvnw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Kevin Bell" >=20 > > But my point is why have compression period? Why not > > strive for the best quality sound possible? It seems > > as though we are going back in time, far back beyond > > the 60s when sound wasn't quite hi-fi yet >=20 > All those bits take bandwidth, of which there's a finite amount=20 per radio > channel. >=20 > Scott Todd > You're right Scott: a very good quality digital audio bitstream=20 needs a very wide bandwidth, exceeds all the legal boundaries either=20 AM and FM. However, we need to remember it's that way because the digital=20 bitstream is converted into an analog modulated signal. The original=20 digital (or binary) bitstream doesn't need any bandwidth because=20 it's just an intermitent direct current voltage signal (0 DC volt or=20 1 DC volt)!!! The hit is: HOW TO PUT THE ORIGINAL DIGITAL BITSTREAM (INTERMITENT=20 DIRECT CURRENT VOLTAGE) UPON THE CARRIER IN A WAY WE CAN TO=20 RECONSTRUCT INTO A RECEIVER MORE THAN ONE MILE FROM THE TRANSMITTER. A very simple problem, but I don't know how to do it. Hahahahahaha!!! As someone found a way to modulate a carrier, with a lot of=20 subcarriers, to carry on the digits, in an analog way (the old=20 telephonic Internet MODEM basis), then they put the same idea in AM=20 and FM but... they crashed with the legal bandwidth and all the idea=20 became a failure. So, they had to use the infamous DIGITS=20 COMPRESSION, called MP2, MP3, MP4 or others. But, like the old tape=20 Dolby Noise Reduction system, this kind of compression is so ugly=20 and unnatural. We must to wait for some genius brain to get the way to put all the=20 original digits over the AM carrier with a less than 10 kHz bandwith=20 and without to lose the original quality. Let's wait for that. Today... we need to back to the commercial and audience battle. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Dec 16 17:04:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88175 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2006 01:02:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2006 01:02:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52209.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.132) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 01:02:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 35585 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2006 01:00:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: jSxTYQkVM1kbyToOAkOSVQZxu9ePjxD4j7QEz1hmGbVGxmZiz6.GlOutBPQsX9IG9A-- Received: from [12.76.217.209] by web52209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:00:55 PST Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:00:55 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <557479.86180.qm@web81902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <200046.34841.qm@web52209.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=_RbxZjYhApb2GALpzaqjgCHa_E4BXr2wtm4TLOpjNdU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kirk Jones wrote: > > Anyone ever notice Rush lost all his wieght when he > had the back pain. Maybe he could write a diet > book? > LOL He's been working on that for awhile...losing weight that is. Powell NNNN! From jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 16 17:49:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19946 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2006 01:48:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2006 01:48:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.187) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 01:48:16 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n5.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2006 01:46:19 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2006 01:46:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2006 01:46:19 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 01:46:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00bb01c7213d$1e64e980$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.140.173.191 From: "Jeff" Subject: Music on AM- was: Re: {AMSF} Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=236606698; y=Gap7FAyLkFP3dSTvPk09wOhWPAudvjwln88HAP6FWVlcwYfzzVu6ZgH9Wq6Me3aaw-k X-Yahoo-Profile: jeff7472000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Hi, all: Here in Wichita we just got our first AM HD station: KSGL-900. They are still tweaking their system, for sure, but on my BA HD radio=20 this station does sound as good as any FM I've ever heard. KSGL is a religious station that has been transitioning to Adult=20 Standards; Shortly after discovering the KSGL HD signal, I called GM=20 Terry Atherton to let him know I was aware of their IBOC signal, but=20 this guy seemed very unenthusiastic about this new technology for=20 which he obviously forked over thousands of dollars, and he admitted=20 to me that he was worried that some FM station in the area might=20 decide to put Adult Standards on one of their multicast channels,=20 stealing audience away from KSGL that took years for them and their=20 former sister station KMYR-1410 to build, even though most other=20 broadcasters haven't had the patience to fool with Adult Standards in=20 a market where rock and country rule when it comes to music. =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 I've seen it happen a number of times- an AM will start a music=20 format and > it gets popular enough that some FM flips to that same format and=20 takes the > audience away. >=20 > Scott TOdd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "jotape1960" > If we would do a > survey, Wouldn't we find opinions like: "It's too much talk, It's > too much sports, It's too much politic, It's too much commercials"? >=20 > Some solution? BACK TO BEAUTIFUL POPULAR MUSIC!!!!!!! >=20 > Then, when the AMs back to music, the listeners will back to the AM. > From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat Dec 16 18:20:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92767 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2006 02:19:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2006 02:19:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.216) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 02:19:10 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2006 02:15:26 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2006 02:15:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2006 02:15:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 02:15:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <38931.81068.qm@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.153.49.31 From: "Juan" Subject: Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=RtnypQR_EHQXeYydrPWcl3Zgbi1wkFBcZe1yWNoxHANwfQU X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > --- Juan wrote: >=20 > > Who's whining and complaining ? Heck, Rush said he > > hoped all illegal=20 > > Drug users should be sent to jail. I guess he meant > > everyone escept=20 > > himself. What a windbag and a hipocrite he is.=20 >=20 > He was prescribed those drugs for severe back pain > from permanent damage. I'M SO SURE HE ENJOYED THE > PAIN, AND GETTING HOOKED ON THOSE DRUGS.=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > > I wish him all the best, and maybe one day I WILL > > LISTEN, that is the=20 > > day he will explain why he went with a group of > > other men, to the=20 > > Dominican Republic with his Viagra Prescription (in > > somebody elses=20 > > name).....I'd love to hear that one ! >=20 >=20 > He explained that on the air....more than once.=20 >=20 >=20 > > By the way, My "off" button is exercised everytime I > > hear this demagogue windbag on the Radio. >=20 > > Juan=20 >=20 > But you don't excercise that when a left wing > demagogue is on?=20 >=20 >=20 > Rush bores me, though I listen sometimes. I listen to > Neil Boortz. It's so much funnnnn when a right wing > religous zealot calls in with an anti gay rant. He > puts them on immediately and and lets them ( with a > bit of help) self destruct on the air. I don't agree > with Neil on some things, but he's way more > entertaining.=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 >=20 > NNNN! Powell, Boortz I like half the time, hate him half the time, but he can get=20 cought up in the namecalling. Just last week, he was blaming "the=20 democrats who control Congress" for something he didn't like.=20 Somebody needs to tell Neil that they have yet to "control=20 Congress" ..... :-) Soon enough Neil, soon enough............ My main problem with Limbaugh is that he refuses to engage his brain=20 before he speaks. I think we all could have done without him claiming=20 that Michael J. Fox was quote "exaggerating the effects of the=20 disease" This is just another of many examples of this mans=20 ignorance. If he would at least check the facts, then maybe he could=20 make statements without sticking his foot in mouth...but hey, wait a=20 minute, THAT is a reason to listen to this moron ! Juan NNNNNNNNNN From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Dec 16 21:44:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76244 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2006 05:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2006 05:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.29) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 05:43:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 74407 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2006 05:41:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GuFAZFUVM1no3DpauPAuPXkBadBIoCTHDHGCR3fh.VpaCEHeBEsQV3MYA10dk42.GbcZW5HekpDYGXA0f2IldFRqelgfYchtsEt1s93NrNSpi0v4rFqJqglhA8xqGRFqsIbECP9K Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:41:53 PST Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:41:53 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <87293.71406.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=rC4QG1pMTUhK_eAYb6P6JxCn8pU1z3ujvbom4s7djhcJUjQxdDEY X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Ha thats pretty funny! --- Juan wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don > Milbury wrote: > > > > Nothing succeeds like success. > > Brilliant statement. Whatever that means. > > > > Rush's show is entertainment. If you aren't > entertained, you listen > > elsewhere or click "OFF.". > > > > You do not whine and complain about what you are > not forced to listen > to. > > Don > > Who's whining and complaining ? Heck, Rush said he > hoped all illegal > Drug users should be sent to jail. I guess he meant > everyone escept > himself. What a windbag and a hipocrite he is. > > I wish him all the best, and maybe one day I WILL > LISTEN, that is the > day he will explain why he went with a group of > other men, to the > Dominican Republic with his Viagra Prescription (in > somebody elses > name).....I'd love to hear that one ! > > By the way, My "off" button is exercised everytime I > hear this > demagogue windbag on the Radio. > > Juan > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Dec 16 21:47:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57262 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2006 05:46:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2006 05:46:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.34) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 05:46:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 70297 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2006 05:44:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MG_ZXukVM1mZ2h.vtLQf94r4SH1zVaUDxgoViHhIxkFbuMXOkNZmU6voZlW0cuslzN0U6CU9rIpi7AHAFWZlVbu_zQJ13ktHO3C95194x4CrV9pvg32hrNBZXHCPFohJ1980ab._ Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:44:26 PST Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:44:26 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <38931.81068.qm@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <637932.68286.qm@web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=XkwzkAP_eW7sb56BBcJJ3GISfzVvQhgBvYDhPoU_9I9YmD2SUKTg X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke LOL, I love it! Yeah they all self destruct on there. --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Juan wrote: > > > Who's whining and complaining ? Heck, Rush said he > > hoped all illegal > > Drug users should be sent to jail. I guess he > meant > > everyone escept > > himself. What a windbag and a hipocrite he is. > > He was prescribed those drugs for severe back pain > from permanent damage. I'M SO SURE HE ENJOYED THE > PAIN, AND GETTING HOOKED ON THOSE DRUGS. > > > > > I wish him all the best, and maybe one day I WILL > > LISTEN, that is the > > day he will explain why he went with a group of > > other men, to the > > Dominican Republic with his Viagra Prescription > (in > > somebody elses > > name).....I'd love to hear that one ! > > > He explained that on the air....more than once. > > > > By the way, My "off" button is exercised everytime > I > > hear this demagogue windbag on the Radio. > > > Juan > > But you don't excercise that when a left wing > demagogue is on? > > > Rush bores me, though I listen sometimes. I listen > to > Neil Boortz. It's so much funnnnn when a right wing > religous zealot calls in with an anti gay rant. He > puts them on immediately and and lets them ( with a > bit of help) self destruct on the air. I don't > agree > with Neil on some things, but he's way more > entertaining. > > > Powell > > > NNNN! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Dec 16 21:49:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52367 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2006 05:46:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2006 05:46:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.29) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 05:46:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 75818 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2006 05:46:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20061217054642.75816.qmail@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: T.w6VMcVM1lnJVOrIZC4IRK88tdIDlrLomgTzekiBgWu6QrO.8WagtfFsgOCHF3XxZ3UpZ.cUbuAWVT3ua4cqLGr7MqYm2GAj0ldBRJI9TKuGPTmDMgsKhyd9dLFq9lPUW6JeR9oKyfKnftfB1_7Qo9IZur6Uc08vQ.EE8KLub3ywz2_GLq8Gw-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:46:42 PST Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:46:42 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004f01c72135$9c98ee80$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=d08_D5gtc-Ddg9lYriLSkcnuJzS8fCXj2s5N9H53V3JhAw9i0HOa X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Exactly , thats digital. Wouldn't be such a problem with Analog to get surperb quality! --- Scott Todd wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Bell" > > > But my point is why have compression period? Why > not > > strive for the best quality sound possible? It > seems > > as though we are going back in time, far back > beyond > > the 60s when sound wasn't quite hi-fi yet > > All those bits take bandwidth, of which there's a > finite amount per radio > channel. > > Scott Todd > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Dec 16 21:53:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70791 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2006 05:52:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2006 05:52:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.30) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 05:52:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 42024 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2006 05:51:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: sqe9TTAVM1mIeFMEO_5umSHWofDDMr2Wwh42739MdZt4hzHU2MHqUq4K6nVHY9KRo4un2Ujwz54qoGec660NR_7PWZRSQN0bNrlFwBGCFjJjYli2KsRS8iWGwuadSTyW_K4LQLawZ0quk7zwdYYFfK.h44y8b_bV4SDqJvnZ13VbVOms2awtFA-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:51:15 PST Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:51:15 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <005b01c72136$37d7f940$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <94170.37073.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=6FWYwixtFoY8gxvsthnRjKv3V4838lJF-EPTsFWosQdKrfvUkpne X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I used to like to hear Michael Savage rant and rave when he was on the air here on our station in Greenville. He was funny. I remember one night he was bitching some guy out and the guy was in a bar. Well some women in the background started throwing her two cents on and Michael was like "you tell that nasty whore..bitch...(or whatever he called her, there were some names in there) I said she could go to hell". Guys I almost run the car off the road laughing. He was screaming and I thought surely he was gonna break some FCC rules. This was a few years ago. I seriously had to pull the car over I was laughing so hard. You had to be there and hear it. Dang I wish I remember what all he called her and said but it was hilarious. -Kevin --- Scott Todd wrote: > Despite Air America's bankruptcy, there are some > lefty talkers who do manage > to get halfway decent ratings, but both of them are > syndicated by Jones > rather than AAR- Stephanie Miller and Ed Schultz. > Only listened to the > former once, though I can say Sgt. Schultz is as > intellectually dishonest as > they come. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Bell" > > > I agree with you > > that content needs to be there and that more music > > stations need to be there. People can only take > so > > much talk. I enjoy listening to all types of > radio > > including talk but everyone knows all these talk > shows > > are one sided. You get the same old rehashed junk > on > > every show. Oh yeah thats right you get fair and > > balanced too, both sides. You get conservative > and > > republican, thats what they call the two fair and > > balanced sides. You never get anything from the > other > > side of the fence. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Dec 16 22:06:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75462 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2006 06:03:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2006 06:03:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.27) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 06:03:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 23464 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2006 06:03:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20061217060343.23462.qmail@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: WPaUG4YVM1nhFcBDkVfHLb0G7upiErArqyWpljWUh34Y9LWK1VmtMt0oLTjHrSOodICE9cGMLbfOE9eRj1D96ihy6jBHay3IZ0un95OW94s9Q.7EvPGK2CBpLETx9tttKKC0bv2RSuaZDuYJbrEzlGPQre2Y17Yea4FDbZ3s2SCUcqVmMfwVwA-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 22:03:43 PST Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 22:03:43 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <007901c7213a$a77f3520$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: OT: what's really eroding our culture- was Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=oemE7FTJIBjwVBdRHPZpCwzlydtoIQdxNYKG31zfUHQ1RCqIGJSj X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke You sir have me completely wrong. I never said that you don't have the right to express your opinion. If you actually talked to me you'd see that my opinion is more inline with you than you think. My point is that these people scream that and that only. This country was founded on rights. Not just the religious right having rights but others. I would support you as much as I did them in having the right to say and believe what you want. I'm just saying I disagree with them portraying that their way is the ONLY thought and practice and that the country was founded on one particular religion. It wasn't. It was however founded on religious freedom. Why do you think people left England in search of religious freedom? So that they could practice their own beliefs. It seems as though you need to restudy your history or perhaps you didn't learn it correctly in the first place. I get so tired of hearing these zealots on air preach and scream hatred the way they do. They pick on any segment that doesn't think like them and then tries to take from them their right to believe the way they do. I get so tired of hearing these so called good religious people put down gay folks or anyone else for that matter that doesn't think like them. With them everything is one sided. I believe in God but I don't preach and spread hate the way these people do. Just look at that Westboro Baptist Church and how they keep showing up to our soldiers funerals and screaming fag and queer and a host of other things. Oh but they are so religious righteous people. Sir to me that is a disgrace and a disgrace to God. All i've ever seen out of that side of the fence is hate mongers. I will say though that they have the right in this country to express their views, I just don't think they should at someones funeral and more importantly soldiers who died for their right to stand out and scream their hatred. Now as for the bumper music i've heard Rush use those raps songs more than once and a few others. The local talk show has done it too. Those musicians are against their views if you hear them tell it yet they use those musicians tunes. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, perhaps it does to you. --- Scott Todd wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Bell" > > > > Exactly! And have you noticed how these so called > > conservative shows have rap music for bumper > music? > > What shows are you talking about? I don't hear it > on Laura Ingraham (all > over the road mix of country and various pop > styles-m rarely rap); Dennis > Prager has jazz for his bumps; maybe occasionally on > Michael Medved, though > his Jewish sounding Christmas bumps are extremely > entertaining. The rest of > the year it's harder rock; Hugh Hewitt- various pop > but not rap; Michael > Savage- either heavy metal or 50s rock. I don't > listen to Rush usually. > > > Perhaps you haven't noticed it because they take > out > > the vocals but its the exact beat and music. I > know > > because I am younger than a lot on the forum, i'm > 33. > > I keep up with music quite well and I can tell you > > that many of these use that kind of music for > their > > bumper music because it's upbeat and hip. The > problem > > is that it goes against their so called values. > > You mean it's not possible to like a certain style > while not endorsing > someone's message? Were you aware there are > Christian rappers, punk rock > and metal groups? Evil is more in the message than > the style. > > Another thing that gets me is > > how they preach that america was founded on > christian > > values! Perhaps in a small way but the FACT is > that > > we were founded on freedom of religion and there > was > > such paperwork in a document that is called > > "seperation of church and state". If you listen > to > > some of these schtickts they'd have america to be > a > > theocracy and ruled by the church. I am in no way > > anti religious at all but people need to face the > > facts and stop rewriting history. We need to take > > back America and put it on course! > > Being older than you has it's advantages- this was > very much a more > religious nation back then than it is now. It is > you who have been > brainwashed to believe the "separation of church and > state" is somehow in > the Constitution; that religious people have no > right to have their input on > government; that George Washington was actually a > deist (I don't know of ANY > deists who pray an hour each morning as he did.) > It's you who have gotten > the history revision via the government schools and > the media elites. The > first amendment is merely an anti-establishment > clause, that government is > to be secular, not secularist which is what it is > increasingly becoming. I > don't have a whole lot of hope for the future of our > country due to so many > people holding your views. I wish Hillsdale College > would make their > Constitution course available on line. I'd be > willing to pay for some of > you to take it! > > If you think all our rights are being eroded by the > right, read the > following on how hate-speech laws will really create > a police state: > http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/guest/2006/sd_12041.shtml > contains a very > worthwhile comment on the "separation" issue > http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/guest/2006/sd_12111.shtml > Do you honestly think that these government > busy-bodies can actually > determine your motives? > > I'm getting ready to say screw you libs- just try > and save AM stereo on your > own. You can't afford to alienate one of the few > engineers on this list. > > Scott Todd > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Dec 16 22:10:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9761 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2006 06:10:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2006 06:10:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 06:10:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 7491 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2006 06:09:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 6EhJkZ0VM1mWoWI1Qvxw1Bf_MbtpGL6usScKvP8oMhwubEbtidzcvBrWMv3LLOLbBY8SdGExWpepmpKaJzzwLgOvvagTXfr7fi4NXVrPUEItNkPxgUyQp2aydLyCTX1F4lZ_4u1X Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 22:09:45 PST Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 22:09:45 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000a01c7215d$7e66a600$32b17344@yourfd6nvjcer4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <541532.4737.qm@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=2fCgv3cj1DtLk3rlWiQkO3Fjt6BKMB1SLhROuWRq0vVN7dVURxk0 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Joe I agree and my point has always been quality and good programming. Rather than go after all the HD hype I think stations would be more successful if they did as you suggested. Great programming and great analog sound. I love my XM radio but I will say this. A good FM station that is being received well has more high end and sounds so much better than XM does. It's a shame XM doesn't do a better job of sounding better. What really makes it bad is when you hear cymbals splatter or voices splatter. Makes your ears cringe! --- Joe Collins wrote: > Hey All, > > Interesting debate here... I just wanted to add one > or two thoughts. > > First off, whether the GP will listen to a radio > station has more to do with the programming than the > technical quality of the signal. People will go to > great lengths to get a better radio, an outdoor > antenna and all that if they find a station that is > doing something they find compelling. Examples? I > grew up in the Norfolk market and during the > eighties, we had a underground rock station that > played a very interesting and well presented mix of > music. WNOR was the big rock station with a great > FM signal that blanketed the market. Still, there > was a dedicated group of people who put up FM > antennas to get WOFM broadcasting with a beefy 3 k > out of Moyock, NC, which is a good 40 miles outside > the market. WNOR was playing all CD's with state of > the art studios and all the hot processing toys of > the day. Little Magic 92/WOFM was playing mainly > vinyl records and they used an ancient Optimod 8000 > cranked up to the max to try and compete. They > didn't even have stereo cart machines so all of the > spots were in mono. I don't think anyone noticed. > It was the great jocks and the unique music that > people went after. They didn't have to spend money > on promotion that they did not have in the first > place. The success of the station was mainly from > word of mouth alone. "Hey have you heard what these > guys are doing?..." I occasionally run into > someone who remembers Magic 92 and it is always > remembered with fondness. And, this is almost 20 > years after it was swallowed up in the big rush to > consolidation. > > Later, I had the opportunity to program a 1 k am > station in Hampton. Right in the middle of the > market. We decided to do classic country and > believe it or not, we gave the two 50 k FM stations > doing country a run for their money. Same thing as > ten years before with WOFM: We had programming that > folks couldn't get anywhere else. With all that in > mind, it seems to me that dumping money into > unproven HD technology is a fool's errand if the > programming isn't there. Crap in digital is still > crap. Period. > > The best thing terrestrial radio can do to insure a > bright future is to get back to doing good, local > radio. The same standards still apply today that > did 20 or 30 years ago... Actually, maintaining high > standards is now more important with all of the > competing mediums out there. It's gotta be more > than music if you want to compete with iPods, > internet streams and Sat Rad. Fortunately, I am > seeing a turnaround from the self destructive "let's > do it on the cheap" attitude that has plagued radio > for the last 15 years. Let's just hope that it not > too little too late. It took us two decades to get > into the quagmire we're in now. It will take some > time to get out. > > Oh, and one more parting shot... I have run into > those that argue that people don't care about radio > anymore and there's no real demand for better > receivers and better programming. My response to > them is this: Nobody was bugging Detroit for a > minivan in the 70's either. It took a visionary car > designer who pushed very, very hard for an idea he > believed in for ten years to make it a reality. > They said the same thing to him and he refused to > listen. All true radio pioneers have had the same > attitude and that is what we need right now, radio > pioneers.... > > Happy Holidays! > > :) > > JC > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 17 00:19:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43048 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2006 08:18:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2006 08:18:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52207.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.130) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 08:18:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 15205 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2006 08:18:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20061217081836.15203.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: pw6z49AVM1kLuX7utrdLHTsIzie.3oujfbsrNcOfylALijke2KjXphx.WBBrgB6DiKulCfGiDyuB_A0VmQhJDxWeSn0St969FQuy7IUix9v.cBu7j89yQ7dpENbi1yWkgL.6x5QwL_4klSI- Received: from [12.76.217.80] by web52207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 00:18:36 PST Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 00:18:36 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=eYQ-YNOrKByU_0tI7pUXb056Je4BZ3P0zCvjlZP024k X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Juan wrote: > My main problem with Limbaugh is that he refuses to > engage his brain > before he speaks. I think we all could have done > without him claiming > that Michael J. Fox was quote "exaggerating the > effects of the > disease" This is just another of many examples of > this mans > ignorance. If he would at least check the facts, > then maybe he could > make statements without sticking his foot in > mouth...but hey, wait a > minute, THAT is a reason to listen to this moron ! And he apologized for it. THAT SAID, Michael IN HIS BOOK, ADMITTED not taking medicine to show effects of his disease before a committee.... Powell NNNN stands for the old text message days of 'end of message', btw. NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 17 00:26:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52884 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2006 08:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2006 08:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52207.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.130) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 08:22:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 16047 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2006 08:22:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20061217082200.16045.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: o5DWw2oVM1k4cJCq1HVFiylILJa6tnSo8mgf7Yw_tdxNNYxkHqNDIeEnl37FV4rYjVIKfyo8YUiLN3NAOeGokGQqBUmRKe_RjkrG0nAWtxDV8qOGdjvdEhGg3nrGNCvI8zeEh25L9xioKq8- Received: from [12.76.217.80] by web52207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 00:22:00 PST Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 00:22:00 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <541532.4737.qm@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=0Y9qhxWK7E86hzrIgWX_tADWeXxyppVAsN8kiM57_4I X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > Joe I agree and my point has always been quality and > good programming. Rather than go after all the HD > hype I think stations would be more successful if > they > did as you suggested. Great programming and great > analog sound. I love my XM radio but I will say > this. > A good FM station that is being received well has > more high end and sounds so much better than XM > does. > It's a shame XM doesn't do a better job of sounding > better. What really makes it bad is when you hear > cymbals splatter or voices splatter. Makes your > ears cringe! If they paid more attention to processing the audio would sound better. And I just don't play the XM very loud..... ]:) Powell NNNN! From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Dec 17 01:51:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62868 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2006 09:49:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2006 09:49:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.122) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 09:49:48 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2006 09:48:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2006 09:48:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2006 09:48:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 09:48:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20061217081836.15203.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.122 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.153.49.31 From: "Juan" Subject: Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=c0YP4UBwxu6JUuUAIounax_oQgll64EVBcK091vFR_mH5JY X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane =20 > And he apologized for it. THAT SAID, Michael IN HIS > BOOK, ADMITTED not taking medicine to show effects of > his disease before a committee.... >=20 > Powell=20 1) He NEVER said a real aplogy. He is not man enough...If he did, I=20 never read or saw it, but of course this could be part of the vast=20 major Liberal Media Conspiracy (Except Fox News, of course) 2) The drugs are what makes people shake who have the disease, NOT=20 taking the drugs does NOT make people shake.=20=20 > NNNN stands for the old text message days of 'end of > message', btw. I know.=20 Juan =20 From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Dec 17 02:15:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66565 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2006 10:13:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2006 10:13:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.244) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 10:13:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2006 10:13:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2006 10:13:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 10:13:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20061217081836.15203.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.153.49.31 From: "Juan" Subject: Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=W9Fp7yXwMshsnqiXzjtVj1JM2QjaS7ZTSk0YhoPKHHQkXSo X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: >=20 > NNNN stands for the old text message days of 'end of > message', btw. I know...I was trying to end on a light hearted note....not to be a=20 smart aleck. Powell, Are you going to be moving ? Thought I saw that on an earlier=20 post. Juan From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Dec 17 02:36:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27447 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2006 10:35:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2006 10:35:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.87) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 10:35:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 18792 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2006 10:35:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HeWBwogVM1mSpMRc5KUyFfqyVlxwI3Lunb3pfzq7QPzl.UX5irfrGJ9vaS_sMeQd09vxoqNNJB4M1gWbTRP2FSIeSFLvNvhtK2cFw.uLwEyLi7een2eJeBx77pKSMx4i3psYtwhL79w- Received: from [60.234.212.159] by web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 02:35:43 PST Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 02:35:43 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1166349094.3464.68609.m22@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <520356.17844.qm@web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.87 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 2075 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915; y=GfKo2s1Mu3uqOELu-LQXw6qqXke9IhYMlqLndP33OzvTLEdFsQ X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cant be a lot happening about AM stereo in America going by the political topics of the last few days. Michael Michael&Ross __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Dec 17 04:24:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21776 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2006 12:23:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2006 12:23:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.27) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 12:23:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 17128 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2006 12:22:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GGiy3fAVM1n_.ySCovEdGG6Oyk2Sq3HUNnAWyTsDuREKYY5bPJ0ATo5xGRszwPnWbbWUArwNXBZT5y2a8N.MirTrHUlNaZhHodomPIISVL7V7SkPwBJlp6hE13d_oO2JYfPI.9zr Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 04:22:35 PST Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 04:22:35 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <520356.17844.qm@web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <580993.16487.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 2075 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=skw5-RJG7WzKMnTTqtXNwPrtjQc8nR-lBLFRZ-p6xGMp5-Z_CqLE X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Eh forums get this way every now and then. You just go with the flo till someone starts talking about AM again. I tried to a day or so ago when I mentioned a radio I bought, no one seemed interested in commenting. It will get back to normal. Been on lots of forums, they all get this way from time to time. --- Michael and Ross wrote: > Cant be a lot happening about AM stereo in America > going by the political topics of the last few days. > > Michael > > > > > > Michael&Ross > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From raynor_jeff@yahoo.com Sun Dec 17 07:01:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: raynor_jeff@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41414 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2006 15:00:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2006 15:00:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web35903.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.179.187) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 15:00:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 3269 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2006 15:00:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0VlBuZcVM1lzGCE7qCm5WpMN_GEw_N1fEPC4tlNbt4hGmIawhxBib7VmSp3pjIo6a4fI5xj0WdzcauLtPZH3QSxGgpfcmD3oewsDHF1XUx0Vf7oEfp4jGwl.sP2UicIeomeKYy9swn2v3bYWFlfs_1QIVlGklfWSt21QJ.yEPjjp6lw7nin8MHfxRqR3 Received: from [71.0.80.147] by web35903.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 07:00:28 PST Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 07:00:28 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5047.2665.qm@web35903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.179.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio Reply-To: Jeff@1600WXMY.com Subject: Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=221315206; y=ANnatNucm3YKLDR9TNcEPXQ6v32cjZd_VOGSjZw65gb5Xq5JvPU X-Yahoo-Profile: raynor_jeff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe's post hit the nail right on the head. Joe is not only an old friend and radio buddy, he also is a great programmer and did a fantastic job on his 1 kW AM in Hampton, Virginia. I know, I heard it. Having grown up in the same market and listening to the same stations, I understood what Joe was saying and strongly agree. I have owned an FM/AM combo, sold them and now own a standalone AM in a rural area in southwest Virginia about 35 miles east of Bristol, VA. The key to any radio station is localism, localism and localism. Some of my old "friends" from the Norfolk market laughed at me when I told them we spent Labor Day weekend broadcasting live for four hours or more at a time from the area Labor Day celebration, airing local musicians playing bluegrass music (and believe me, these mountain people CAN play bluegrass!). Not only did I have people from nearly every surrounding county call, come by our van at the event or send me a letter thanking me for putting the local talent on the air, and giving them what they wanted to hear, I also made a few dollars in the process. My station airs the county school breakfast and lunch menus, we let people know where the area "bluegrass jams" are, and try to let nearly anyone from any part of the local government have time on the air to discuss local issues if they want to. Our Sunday lineup includes all local preachers, many of whom come into the studio "live" to do their programs--something I had never done in the big city, but found it the norm when I moved out here to the country. As the local station owner, my home phone number is neither unlisted nor unpublished and I love it when the locals throw in their $.02 worth. Doesn't mean I HAVE to do what they say, but they feel all the more important that they've "bent my ear" and given me their thoughts on the station. And area business people love it that they deal with the "owner" of the station and not just some cluster market manager. I have friends who own larger FM's in larger communities, but feel the need to be "regional" as opposed to local. They're afraid that the'll lose their audience if they appear to be "too local"--geez.. I just don't understand that! By the way, I started in radio at a 50kW FM in Norfolk, VA when I was 15 years old. I've done every air-shift imaginable, sales, programming, taken out trash, cut grass, fed the cat, owned it, operated it and talked on it. I've done alot of things in this biz--seen "it" work and not work. And, MY $.02 on the HD thing. It was pretty cool when television announced that they were going to broadcast in color, but your old B&W TV would still work--didn't HAVE to buy a new color set unless you wanted to. But that wasn't good enough. Now, not only are we having to swallow the "digital" pill with a system that has not been proven, not totally accepted by the broadcast community nor the public, doesn't work on AM at night at all, AND I as an owner will probably have to pay yet another yearly licensing fee to a monopoly just for the right to use their system that most (maybe all) of the people in my audience don't even have a receiver that will pick it up. My little AM sounds just great. Not too much audio processing--clean and open--the way I like it. We have a great signal and have come in second in our county ratings--right behind a 100kW FM, and beating two other FM's and two other AM's. Don't tell me AM is dead. It ain't where I live! Jeff Raynor, Owner WXMY Radio Chilhowie, VA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 17 07:10:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13282 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2006 15:10:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2006 15:10:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52204.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.127) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 15:10:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 21972 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2006 15:06:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20061217150624.21970.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: TFn1E30VM1nom1K83wrbPTbd2DCt4VnBrmSmtU2tvB2pI8LiRKy0aNPy3em9Ea6hoAUhc4YuLLT3z4KP_Izz1Vnne7AsmW1RNetd9dvw.HKexzOQB5DHmFEC4DtRglIXoADpFclHu4MDbtM- Received: from [12.76.217.39] by web52204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 07:06:24 PST Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 07:06:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.127 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=AwEmfFAlT1LK5HVZe1n6TXXXTrPasGEHSuLfKuus3v8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Juan wrote: > Powell, Are you going to be moving ? Thought I saw > that on an earlier post. Yes. I'm moving 60 miles to Silverstreet, SC A new place [for me] with 4 bedrooms and 1 acre in the middle of nowhere. It's a 1999 Clayton 1680 SF 28 X 64 double wide. Some friends houses aren't this big. The nearest neighbor lives half a mile away. The closing should have been a few months ago. The loan company holding the title ( it's a foreclosure) has taken next to forever. The place has not been lived in since September 2005. It's in decent shape. I finally got the electricity on, but I'm flipping the outside service disconnect when I leave. I have to have the HVAC cleaned, and the well pump and accessories checked...(it does pump water ) and the wiring checked. And the carpets professionally cleaned. The main complication was I had a fire in the old mobile home and it erased the bedroom. Everything else smoked up. Some radio gear was melted in the "radio" room which originally was the master bedroom. The old stuff mostly survived there. Plastic stuff melted. However, the records probably survived being in the record cabinet and at floor level which at that level survived. [ Fire was electrical in the bathroom, btw.] If closing had happened on a timely basis, I'd be moved in and there would have been no fire. At the new place I eventually plan to have an Alfredo Lite on 24/7 with Beautiful Music. I hope it covers my yard at night. Powell NNNN! From radio603@malmo2.net Sun Dec 17 07:11:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio603@malmo2.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34807 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2006 15:10:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2006 15:10:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.bredband2.net) (82.209.166.4) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 15:10:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 25217 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2006 15:28:13 -0000 Received: from mkb-145-32-209-82.3.cust.bredband2.com (HELO malmoe) ([82.209.145.32]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.bredband2.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 17 Dec 2006 15:28:13 -0000 Message-ID: <001401c721ed$6fa94b00$2091d152@malmoe> To: References: <5047.2665.qm@web35903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:10:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 82.209.166.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Roy" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=195882801; y=mWi3ihQEgeEriZhog4QFEl7nhLi5pGvtN5d5ajPut0tbyCs X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A great local service on AM can kill each and every big FM outlet of 50 kW, rigth guys??? People want to listen to local radio, latest local news etc. Roy Sandgren www.radio603.info.se ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 4:00 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't Joe's post hit the nail right on the head. Joe is not only an old friend and radio buddy, he also is a great programmer and did a fantastic job on his 1 kW AM in Hampton, Virginia. I know, I heard it. Having grown up in the same market and listening to the same stations, I understood what Joe was saying and strongly agree. I have owned an FM/AM combo, sold them and now own a standalone AM in a rural area in southwest Virginia about 35 miles east of Bristol, VA. The key to any radio station is localism, localism and localism. Some of my old "friends" from the Norfolk market laughed at me when I told them we spent Labor Day weekend broadcasting live for four hours or more at a time from the area Labor Day celebration, airing local musicians playing bluegrass music (and believe me, these mountain people CAN play bluegrass!). Not only did I have people from nearly every surrounding county call, come by our van at the event or send me a letter thanking me for putting the local talent on the air, and giving them what they wanted to hear, I also made a few dollars in the process. My station airs the county school breakfast and lunch menus, we let people know where the area "bluegrass jams" are, and try to let nearly anyone from any part of the local government have time on the air to discuss local issues if they want to. Our Sunday lineup includes all local preachers, many of whom come into the studio "live" to do their programs--something I had never done in the big city, but found it the norm when I moved out here to the country. As the local station owner, my home phone number is neither unlisted nor unpublished and I love it when the locals throw in their $.02 worth. Doesn't mean I HAVE to do what they say, but they feel all the more important that they've "bent my ear" and given me their thoughts on the station. And area business people love it that they deal with the "owner" of the station and not just some cluster market manager. I have friends who own larger FM's in larger communities, but feel the need to be "regional" as opposed to local. They're afraid that the'll lose their audience if they appear to be "too local"--geez.. I just don't understand that! By the way, I started in radio at a 50kW FM in Norfolk, VA when I was 15 years old. I've done every air-shift imaginable, sales, programming, taken out trash, cut grass, fed the cat, owned it, operated it and talked on it. I've done alot of things in this biz--seen "it" work and not work. And, MY $.02 on the HD thing. It was pretty cool when television announced that they were going to broadcast in color, but your old B&W TV would still work--didn't HAVE to buy a new color set unless you wanted to. But that wasn't good enough. Now, not only are we having to swallow the "digital" pill with a system that has not been proven, not totally accepted by the broadcast community nor the public, doesn't work on AM at night at all, AND I as an owner will probably have to pay yet another yearly licensing fee to a monopoly just for the right to use their system that most (maybe all) of the people in my audience don't even have a receiver that will pick it up. My little AM sounds just great. Not too much audio processing--clean and open--the way I like it. We have a great signal and have come in second in our county ratings--right behind a 100kW FM, and beating two other FM's and two other AM's. Don't tell me AM is dead. It ain't where I live! Jeff Raynor, Owner WXMY Radio Chilhowie, VA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.22/590 - Release Date: 2006-12-16 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmtech@yahoo.com Sun Dec 17 08:22:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30017 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2006 16:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2006 16:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56806.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.80) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 16:21:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 24381 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2006 16:19:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: IEQweKkVM1nX8R_cn7O3Wt8OXLHinGXZh.xEo4kdu16usQt8tcJb8q_htbyPN.L7eYPpoJy8BoAqEZT4Mbf2K5_PE_aOYa9iez5iDsw2oR35StqHAvVuuQHa20HFljq2MW2lBGIylVEPolL78_sV3DFTyXC6ZKDQCtnCBdgoK_wXHZfEvHoaYmzMkTsm Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56806.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 08:19:02 PST Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 08:19:02 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000a01c7215d$7e66a600$32b17344@yourfd6nvjcer4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <227496.18739.qm@web56806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.80 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=btbhKHmfNdms5vWUSmrtYEuweEjKagBuvZOPqNWushJLunU X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One need only ask the newer generation why they prefer downloading, IPods, and other devices over radio and services such as XM. When I asked my daughter's kids why they don't listen to radio the answer I got was that radio, while technically sound, had content problems. The short of it is that people are not getting what they want from radio and are going other places. I, (old and retired), find myself listening to more downloaded content because radio fails to provide me the things I need. Even wintering in Detroit there are just a few stations which I could merit to have my attention. I look back at my career in radio and we provided good content to the public. And if we didn't, there were other competitors in the market that were eager to eat our lunch. Contrast that to today where you have stations cloned and automated, duplicated, with little competition, no news departments. A close friend of mine in Ohio even told me that in his EAS district the LP1 and LP2 stations are not staffed on weekends or nights! How do you serve the public when nobody is there to provide the service? I guess severe storms are scheduled ROS, 9-5, M/F. Radio is dying through neglect, and not a technology issue. It is dying because those in control of it have no responsibility to the public. If they can't make money off ads, they make money by selling and trading properties, a practice that closely resembles check kiting. Do the research. Follow the money. Just my 2c worth, ...Harold Joe Collins wrote: First off, whether the GP will listen to a radio station has more to do with the programming than the technical quality of the signal. People will go to great lengths to get a better radio, an outdoor antenna and all that if they find a station that is doing something they find compelling. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmtech@yahoo.com Sun Dec 17 09:30:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2882 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2006 17:26:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2006 17:26:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56812.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 17:26:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 46349 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2006 17:25:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 9guO7ZYVM1mv6RJ83r2PkkBa8YXi5c8gOZFQVgnv2FHVog.VLCxIWbaT.Dzsklw6.vE0dDQK4dsuHmsyLrsEt.5om7q9FLRtq8Up5FjyvfhMpGQp5RlkC7nHGhBajDm7QGzNi0h026kQKaA- Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56812.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 09:25:59 PST Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 09:25:59 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <455101.44516.qm@web56812.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Someone's on full-power at 1030 past their "bedtime" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=ZqVEIqZKDon_rlWadh-UYig6PH1qO6HtO5c5Y6JUt0npYh8 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Farmington Hills in the winter. Grand Marais MI (UP) in the spring and summer, and sometimes fall. My wife and I are semi-snowbirds. Too lazy to fly south to FL during the winter. ...Harold Mark Sundquist wrote: You live around Sterling Heights? I grew up in the 19 Mile and Schoenherr area, although I now live in Warren... Great reception of CFCO from around here... :) Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmtech@yahoo.com Sun Dec 17 09:45:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77049 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2006 17:42:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2006 17:42:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56814.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.88) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 17:42:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 83574 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2006 17:41:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20061217174146.83572.qmail@web56814.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: kIDT_rwVM1kNlgYorWTCOkTFUJfxCIw0TJQNDfsKcXowz4eoSGzryNf29lE8I7WNA9Ef3Fr5VouwjaPxJCX4lZAyyQojKOsHs2sQUIf8p5Itts4X4UedyqnkkGl9C9yMHR8VViB14We.bWg- Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56814.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 09:41:46 PST Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 09:41:46 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:Questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=tok5TusNyqsblSvfY8qHxAtZYJxGltVOk1PjCeuUG8dmLw8 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It was still there in 2004. ...Harold david roland wrote: I'm sorry. I meant Western Electric. At any rate, I believe that '27 transmitter is still in operational condition at WLW. That is, unless it has been disassembled since y2k. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 17 11:51:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31435 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2006 19:48:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2006 19:48:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52203.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.126) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 19:48:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 28881 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2006 19:48:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: O1Xt.Q0VM1lOMbs15.dBL92kM.fSsn9DwfOEo7_SY2SZCRUPeavBx4Pm1JdOCHwLd5jreHlV5dd79Uhu1hF0cmX7pXgUF5c.qF63I46TfCqrw0vQ_ta9g3XlSF3gsnilwnzLm4zARge3GTU- Received: from [12.76.217.101] by web52203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 11:48:06 PST Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 11:48:06 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20061217174146.83572.qmail@web56814.mail.re3.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <662596.27462.qm@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: The WLW stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=pU0yZ5_WPDoPnfDj0L1EQDcItWnaD85bCBy0IyDiUAc X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Harold Richards wrote: > It was still there in 2004. > ...Harold And it will stay. The site is considered a historic landmark and is protected. Powell NNNN! From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Dec 17 12:39:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61578 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2006 20:38:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2006 20:38:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 20:38:21 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.221.106]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 140035199 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 14:35:43 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c801c7221b$69509aa0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <5047.2665.qm@web35903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 14:39:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 2, in=3, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.221.106 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=YZfQ5bNWvjccQN4u_dLvsVXCstKfiWjYAoy5tlVnyYAgqu3rUbF7 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I think some part-15 stations have also done well in areas that were well served signal-wise, but not content-wise. Got a friend who's planning on doing that sort of thing in either western PA or NY in a couple years. In the meantime he's trying to build up some cash reserves by working as a courier. BTW- is your station stereo, Jeff? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio" > Joe's post hit the nail right on the head. Joe is not only an old friend and radio buddy, he also is a great programmer and did a fantastic job on his 1 kW AM in Hampton, Virginia. I know, I heard it. Having grown up in the same market and listening to the same stations, I understood what Joe was saying and strongly agree. > > I have owned an FM/AM combo, sold them and now own a standalone AM in a rural area in southwest Virginia about 35 miles east of Bristol, VA. The key to any radio station is localism, localism and localism. Some of my old "friends" from the Norfolk market laughed at me when I told them we spent Labor Day weekend broadcasting live for four hours or more at a time from the area Labor Day celebration, airing local musicians playing bluegrass music (and believe me, these mountain people CAN play bluegrass!). From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Dec 17 12:52:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48176 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2006 20:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2006 20:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao03.cox.net) (68.230.241.36) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 20:47:59 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061217204700.OWMW29122.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:47:00 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id zwmK1V00N2DrW980000000; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:46:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <227496.18739.qm@web56806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <227496.18739.qm@web56806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <4FFBD443-D529-4FAB-8CFC-1FF83D8C08D0@cox.net> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 12:46:58 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=kXe1vfi0IdsEJPj7d_EhjNDxzp6dNIs0TuCdesKQb7-Ctc1eE8-MrmFIixL- X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Radio used to be fun. Now it is not. My kids don't even want a radio. On Dec 17, 2006, at 8:19 AM, Harold Richards wrote: > One need only ask the newer generation why they prefer downloading, > IPods, and other devices over radio and services such as XM. > > When I asked my daughter's kids why they don't listen to radio the > answer I got was that radio, while technically sound, had content > problems. > > The short of it is that people are not getting what they want from > radio and are going other places. > > I, (old and retired), find myself listening to more downloaded > content because radio fails to provide me the things I need. Even > wintering in Detroit there are just a few stations which I could > merit to have my attention. > > I look back at my career in radio and we provided good content to > the public. And if we didn't, there were other competitors in the > market that were eager to eat our lunch. > > Contrast that to today where you have stations cloned and > automated, duplicated, with little competition, no news departments. > > A close friend of mine in Ohio even told me that in his EAS > district the LP1 and LP2 stations are not staffed on weekends or > nights! How do you serve the public when nobody is there to provide > the service? I guess severe storms are scheduled ROS, 9-5, M/F. > > Radio is dying through neglect, and not a technology issue. It is > dying because those in control of it have no responsibility to the > public. If they can't make money off ads, they make money by > selling and trading properties, a practice that closely resembles > check kiting. Do the research. Follow the money. > > Just my 2c worth, > ...Harold > > Joe Collins wrote: > First off, whether the GP will listen to a radio station has more > to do with the programming than the technical quality of the > signal. People will go to great lengths to get a better radio, an > outdoor antenna and all that if they find a station that is doing > something they find compelling. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Dec 17 12:52:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28952 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2006 20:51:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2006 20:51:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao09.cox.net) (68.230.241.30) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 20:51:51 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061217205050.MBZB18767.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:50:50 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id zwqA1V0062DrW980000000; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:50:10 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <8165B6A5-4257-462D-AC11-D4B4DBCCC134@cox.net> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 12:50:49 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=MUVSm_PapAjnuAf-hvALu7q7UJ-Sbv20cqZ_zc3A-XTj1cJAq_OQZe0134TS X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 17, 2006, at 1:48 AM, Juan wrote: > 1) He NEVER said a real aplogy. He is not man enough...If he did, I > never read or saw it, but of course this could be part of the vast > major Liberal Media Conspiracy (Except Fox News, of course) Yes, he did. It was even quoted in the Los Angeles Times. > 2) The drugs are what makes people shake who have the disease, NOT > taking the drugs does NOT make people shake. You know nothing about the disease. This is an amazingly ignorant statement and makes me question everything you have ever said. Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Dec 17 13:05:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54185 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2006 21:04:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2006 21:04:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 21:04:16 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.221.106]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 138525499 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:02:21 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d501c7221f$21aa7be0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20061217060343.23462.qmail@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:05:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 2, in=4, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.221.106 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: OT: what's really eroding our culture- was Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=xKUYg-dmM2DBUWk22F1LtR3qgpvyAwvu7oDdHRZrUz353bLtxvFB X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" > You sir have me completely wrong. I never said that > you don't have the right to express your opinion. Where did you get the impression that I thought you did? If > you actually talked to me you'd see that my opinion is > more inline with you than you think. My point is that > these people scream that and that only. This country > was founded on rights. Not just the religious right > having rights but others. I would support you as much > as I did them in having the right to say and believe > what you want. I'm just saying I disagree with them > portraying that their way is the ONLY thought and > practice and that the country was founded on one > particular religion. It wasn't. It wasn't founded on any one brand of Christianity, but by and large Christian it was. Read Alexis de Toqueville if you don't believe me. Even the deists among them were agreed that Christian morality was the most superior ever devised [Jefferson]. It was however > founded on religious freedom. Why do you think people > left England in search of religious freedom? So that > they could practice their own beliefs. No, they didn't want a STATE church such as the Church of England. They did not, however, believe in secularism. That's why they stayed out of the French Revolution, because it was secularist. It seems as > though you need to restudy your history or perhaps you > didn't learn it correctly in the first place. I get > so tired of hearing these zealots on air preach and > scream hatred the way they do. Name a few and please include some direct quotes. You're too generic in your condemnations. They pick on any > segment that doesn't think like them and then tries to > take from them their right to believe the way they do. > I get so tired of hearing these so called good > religious people put down gay folks or anyone else for > that matter that doesn't think like them. With them > everything is one sided. I believe in God but I don't > preach and spread hate the way these people do. Just > look at that Westboro Baptist Church and how they keep > showing up to our soldiers funerals and screaming fag > and queer and a host of other things. Oh but they are > so religious righteous people. If you're comparing James Dobson, D. James Kennedy, even Jerry Falwell for petes sake, to Phelps, you obviously have never really listened to any of them. I remember when Falwell called into Michael Savage's show. They spent nearly a whole segment together, and while there was anything but total agreement, it was about as respectful a conversation as I've heard. Sir to me that is a > disgrace and a disgrace to God. Phelps is, for sure. All i've ever seen > out of that side of the fence is hate mongers. Again- names and quotes, please. Time to put up or shut up. I hear more hate coming out of Rosie O'Dumbell's yap than I do out of just about anyone but Phelps. I will > say though that they have the right in this country to > express their views, I just don't think they should at > someones funeral and more importantly soldiers who > died for their right to stand out and scream their > hatred. Now as for the bumper music i've heard Rush > use those raps songs more than once and a few others. > The local talk show has done it too. Those musicians > are against their views if you hear them tell it yet > they use those musicians tunes. Doesn't make a whole > lot of sense to me, perhaps it does to you. It's entirely possible to enjoy a certain riff of music in a piece you otherwise find objectionable. The other possible reason is to snag someone who may be tuning across the dial who might be familiar with the piece. If I were doing talk radio, I personally wouldn't be using much of that music either. Scott From jimbo@burgan.net Sun Dec 17 13:15:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4944 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2006 21:15:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2006 21:15:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flpvm23.prodigy.net) (207.115.20.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 21:15:44 -0000 X-ORBL: [70.239.89.234] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-70-239-89-234.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net [70.239.89.234]) by flpvm23.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with SMTP id kBHLF20V001450 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 13:15:02 -0800 Message-ID: <000d01c72220$680e8b70$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <8165B6A5-4257-462D-AC11-D4B4DBCCC134@cox.net> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:14:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0659-1, 12/16/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.20.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=U8_piXFR3uEQDQUEg0AJCp1SfEGsDuoL60z1SALzSDARqB0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > You know nothing about the disease. This is an amazingly ignorant > statement and makes me question everything you have ever said. You got that right.... there has been an abundance of amazingly ignorant statements made on AMS forum lately. Methinks it's time to depart... -Jim- From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Dec 17 13:35:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70763 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2006 21:35:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2006 21:35:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.183) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 21:35:09 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2006 21:34:13 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2006 21:34:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2006 21:34:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 21:34:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8165B6A5-4257-462D-AC11-D4B4DBCCC134@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.153.49.31 From: "Juan" Subject: Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=8IYRJ-tDCAmaPcCT7uKU5v0tm0sHAoZcuv85ZjyiLQ1A0CI X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner =20 wrote: > >=20 > On Dec 17, 2006, at 1:48 AM, Juan wrote: >=20 > > 1) He NEVER said a real aplogy. He is not man enough...If he did,=20 I > > never read or saw it, but of course this could be part of the vast > > major Liberal Media Conspiracy (Except Fox News, of course) >=20 > Yes, he did. It was even quoted in the Los Angeles Times. >=20 > > 2) The drugs are what makes people shake who have the disease, NOT > > taking the drugs does NOT make people shake. >=20 > You know nothing about the disease. This is an amazingly ignorant=20=20 > statement and makes me question everything you have ever said. >=20 > Richard Take a chill pill Hoss.... Relax...Deep breath...... Rush will be back tomorrow... Juan From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Dec 17 13:48:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32086 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2006 21:47:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2006 21:47:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 21:47:42 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n11.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2006 21:46:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2006 21:46:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2006 21:46:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 21:46:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20061217150624.21970.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.108 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.153.49.31 From: "Juan" Subject: Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=prX2VtnGuwDDpUe5Af5vHUklHFzwg1iDc-WerFk1GVvgGNQ X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > --- Juan wrote: >=20 > > Powell, Are you going to be moving ? Thought I saw > > that on an earlier post. >=20 > Yes. I'm moving 60 miles to Silverstreet, SC A new > place [for me] with 4 bedrooms and 1 acre in the > middle of nowhere. It's a 1999 Clayton 1680 SF 28 X 64 > double wide. Some friends houses aren't this big. The > nearest neighbor lives half a mile away. The closing > should have been a few months ago. The loan company > holding the title ( it's a foreclosure) has taken next > to forever. The place has not been lived in since > September 2005. It's in decent shape. I finally got > the electricity on, but I'm flipping the outside > service disconnect when I leave. I have to have the > HVAC cleaned, and the well pump and accessories > checked...(it does pump water ) and the wiring > checked. And the carpets professionally cleaned. The > main complication was I had a fire in the old mobile > home and it erased the bedroom. Everything else smoked > up. Some radio gear was melted in the "radio" room > which originally was the master bedroom. The old stuff > mostly survived there. Plastic stuff melted. However, > the records probably survived being in the record > cabinet and at floor level which at that level > survived. [ Fire was electrical in the bathroom, btw.] > If closing had happened on a timely basis, I'd be > moved in and there would have been no fire.=20 >=20 > At the new place I eventually plan to have an Alfredo > Lite on 24/7 with Beautiful Music. I hope it covers my > yard at night.=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN! I forgot about the Fire. Sounds like like your new place will have=20 lots of elbow room, including space for the Animals. The home being a relatively late model, should have pretty darn good=20 insulation. I couldn't believe how well insulated AND well put=20 together the newer ones are. We had one on the western edge of Lake=20 Okeechobee, near a town called Lakeport. The AC bill was cut by 60 %=20 when we got the new one.=20 What caused the fire ? I mean do you know what happened to the=20 electric in the bathroom ?=20 Bottom line is, everything happens for a reason, but thank God you=20 are ok. Material things can be replaced. Life can't. Best of luck, and I am looking forward to reading a bandscan from=20 your new location after you get settled. Juan From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Dec 17 13:55:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77664 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2006 21:53:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2006 21:53:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s5.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.77) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 21:53:33 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.113]) by bay0-omc1-s5.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 17 Dec 2006 13:52:41 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 13:52:40 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 21:52:37 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 21:52:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2006 21:52:40.0857 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC9EC890:01C72225] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.77 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=oPPGVTF5D2-BmOL8Voa6kXTjG0ZwikJZeIilU27L25p8b97HvV6SVpKV204 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo To the best of my knowledge, Juan has not personally insulted anyone else on this list. Offlist, Juan has helped me dx (telling me what finds are available in the Ft Pierce/Stuart area, and when he was on the air in the mornings, he had a great upbeat show. I think many of us have attacked public figures (entertainers and politicians), but when one becomes a national figure, that comes with the territory. The fact is that no one on this list knows everything or is perfect, we've all been guilty of ignorant statements........ maybe we could just be civil to each other and civilly correct anything we feel are misstatements, whether it's off topic or on topic. None of us are going to be wrong 100 percent of the time, even a broken clock is right twice a day. Hopefully, no one will leave the list, but we could at least pretend to be civil to each other for the rest of the Christmas and Hanukkah season. Donn St. Petersburg,FL ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Jim Burgan" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:14:57 -0500 > You know nothing about the disease. This is an amazingly ignorant > statement and makes me question everything you have ever said. You got that right.... there has been an abundance of amazingly ignorant statements made on AMS forum lately. Methinks it's time to depart... -Jim- From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Dec 17 14:31:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19008 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2006 22:30:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2006 22:30:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.72) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 22:30:35 -0000 Received: from ibm68aec.bellsouth.net ([72.153.49.31]) by imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20061217221048.JSLC26465.imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm68aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 17:10:48 -0500 Received: from JUAN ([72.153.49.31]) by ibm68aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20061217221048.DCQC16056.ibm68aec.bellsouth.net@JUAN> for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 17:10:48 -0500 Message-ID: <003c01c72228$316e7ff0$0301a8c0@JUAN> To: References: Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 17:10:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0659-1, 12/16/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 205.152.59.72 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "gualdaj" Subject: Thanks Donn X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=w8QRC6uvr4SRXYi_UQA54j3mDrAf0qj4ddtToSm4i1iWMi0 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" To: Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 4:52 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't > To the best of my knowledge, Juan has not personally insulted anyone else > on this list. > > Offlist, Juan has helped me dx (telling me what finds are available in the > Ft Pierce/Stuart area, and when he was on the air in the mornings, he had > a great upbeat show. > > I think many of us have attacked public figures (entertainers and > politicians), but when one becomes a national figure, that comes with the > territory. > > The fact is that no one on this list knows everything or is perfect, we've > all been guilty of ignorant statements........ maybe we could just be > civil to each other and civilly correct anything we feel are > misstatements, whether it's off topic or on topic. > > None of us are going to be wrong 100 percent of the time, even a broken > clock is right twice a day. > > Hopefully, no one will leave the list, but we could at least pretend to be > civil to each other for the rest of the Christmas and Hanukkah season. > > Donn > St. Petersburg,FL > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Jim Burgan" > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > To: > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't > Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:14:57 -0500 > > > > You know nothing about the disease. This is an amazingly ignorant > > statement and makes me question everything you have ever said. > > You got that right.... there has been an abundance of amazingly ignorant > statements made on AMS forum lately. > Methinks it's time to depart... > -Jim- Donn, Thank you for the kind words. Yes, public figures are "open game" but this is not the forum, so with that said. If I offended anyone, I would like to apologize at this moment and I will refrain from posting TFN, or until I have something to say or add that's AM Stereo related. So everyone please relax....As Bart Simpson would say..."Don't have a Cow" hey hey, gotta smile :-) Juan Merry Christmas ! From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Dec 17 14:45:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2202 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2006 22:43:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2006 22:43:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.206) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 22:43:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2006 22:42:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2006 22:42:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:42:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20061217150624.21970.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.153.49.31 From: "Juan" Subject: Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=YHRatRk4gtIqYvIIe9xZntOIOL6hczcfjL6PVK06cUo4oY4 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > At the new place I eventually plan to have an Alfredo > Lite on 24/7 with Beautiful Music. I hope it covers my > yard at night.=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN! Powell, I have had little luck getting my Alfredo out more than a few yards.=20 I need to find some plans for an antenna, or figure something else=20 out. my FM transmitter covers about a quarter mile, but I would like=20 to get the AM Stereo to at least cover my block. Where are you getting your Beautiful Music from ? When I am in the mood, I listen to Live 365. They have a half dozen=20 or so stations running it. Juan From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Dec 17 17:56:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88072 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2006 01:56:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2006 01:56:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao03.cox.net) (68.230.241.36) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2006 01:56:08 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061218015457.WUCB29122.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 20:54:57 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 01v91W00G2DrW980000000; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 20:55:09 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 17:54:56 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=Nc64PB3BdXoh6afIl7Xj5Y1NS43UveC2LcdzFjiIOU2JhN2xgU2RS-vl9luZ X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nothing to do with Rush. EVERYTHING to do with having a mother with Parkinson's and knowing that you were ignorant, yet using that ignorance to make a point about Rush, and an invalid one at that. THAT'S what I objected to. I was not offended at all. I am almost impossible to offend. Richard On Dec 17, 2006, at 1:34 PM, Juan wrote: > On Dec 17, 2006, at 1:48 AM, Juan wrote: > > > > > 1) He NEVER said a real aplogy. He is not man enough...If he did, > I > > > never read or saw it, but of course this could be part of the vast > > > major Liberal Media Conspiracy (Except Fox News, of course) > > > > Yes, he did. It was even quoted in the Los Angeles Times. > > > > > 2) The drugs are what makes people shake who have the disease, NOT > > > taking the drugs does NOT make people shake. > > > > You know nothing about the disease. This is an amazingly ignorant > > statement and makes me question everything you have ever said. > > > > Richard > > Take a chill pill Hoss.... Relax...Deep breath...... > > Rush will be back tomorrow... > > Juan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 17 21:32:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52736 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2006 05:31:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2006 05:31:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52212.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.135) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2006 05:31:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 3342 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Dec 2006 05:30:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1JAN_WMVM1mFvukUC7U.JIK.NovrMFWAc5mCPS56bOQ6zk_er5Z7rJ2Mfhp5TDp7Ly0jZbi9Kk.wgJ9eAv81nHnm8LqRO2rpLJAUq2vMSxNhTsVYFkQbrWLP73ZmJ_HlKEVUTyi61zBBmqqu7UDXhUMYYMLYtAYIRvmfpvuZD.QKXXU_k8trdnit6uYv Received: from [12.76.217.8] by web52212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 21:30:19 PST Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 21:30:19 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <458872.831.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=ExyJIEwBczowMvtudLhn5T1AeFmGi7SGmwWuw8607Cg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Juan wrote: > I forgot about the Fire. Sounds like like your new > place will have > lots of elbow room, including space for the Animals. That's for sure. > The home being a relatively late model, should have > pretty darn good > insulation. I couldn't believe how well insulated > AND well put > together the newer ones are. We had one on the > western edge of Lake > Okeechobee, near a town called Lakeport. The AC bill > was cut by 60 % when we got the new one. It does. > What caused the fire ? I mean do you know what > happened to the electric in the bathroom ? My carelessness...or being scatterbrained. It was the little small box fan I used to blow air through the ceramic heater to better circulate. I had taken a shower, and turned the heater off, and was going to leave the fan on for a few minutes. I got a phone call and forgot about the fan. The fan got where it wouldn't start on its own, so I had lubricated it twice. The previous one siezed up and I caught it just before it caused flames. I came home at 7:30 PM. I went next door and around 9:20 heard fire trucks. We turned the power off at 9:30. IF I had gone in first, I'd have smelled it and there would have been no fire. > Bottom line is, everything happens for a reason, but > thank God you > are ok. Material things can be replaced. Life can't. That's true. > Best of luck, and I am looking forward to reading a > bandscan from > your new location after you get settled. > Juan Just wait a few posts.... heh heh! Powell NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 17 21:36:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89780 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2006 05:36:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2006 05:36:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52215.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.138) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2006 05:36:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 39731 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Dec 2006 05:33:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ngwvzKIVM1ka_f7d_KFIWYtKcralpr6S3B9wX_M.5HZpsMpchF.B77k7TdgN6GKqc5srqHd8c_K7uT9eEqNOBTufObxpKsOuxG8hK1DGXomD8cRWAnNTywSYLy4mlOAxRlbaJKuhFPyl0kk- Received: from [12.76.217.8] by web52215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 21:33:38 PST Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 21:33:38 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <163987.38917.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=8QjPshL0ZlR9R5oHTV8b0FEuYEOp6IkUd5nUd_oMxL8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Juan wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > > At the new place I eventually plan to have an >> Alfredo Lite on 24/7 with Beautiful Music. I hope >>it covers my yard at night. > Powell, > > I have had little luck getting my Alfredo out more > than a few yards. > I need to find some plans for an antenna, or figure > something else out. my FM transmitter covers about >a quarter mile,but I would like to get the AM >Stereo to at least cover my block. I'll build a proper antenna. > Where are you getting your Beautiful Music from ? My personal collection. Powell NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 17 21:55:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12588 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2006 05:51:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2006 05:51:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52202.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.125) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2006 05:51:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 67748 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Dec 2006 05:37:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: RkbpShoVM1kVN4cld4PAxp8pBKj7XlQExwB80UfmwPRvvIQMPhTcgegto3iMs70.cCjTC.yZd7g8jNmX0hPRd3RDOSgxmEl4y_h80U_N5L1.bQpUtvLnmS9QuPGkTX9FctTFPqNGoRP6kAs- Received: from [12.76.217.8] by web52202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 21:37:38 PST Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 21:37:38 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5047.2665.qm@web35903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <946593.65908.qm@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.125 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Suprise at Silverstreet, SC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=6D_UikiR9ZQxAOgObxFsb7p9xc0G6waJNrgoLqyG7m4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW OK, I carrried my Radio Shack HD radio out there. With a pair of rabbit ears WESC 92.5 and WSSL 100.5 decode. On AM I dialed around and WLAC showed on the display, but no decode....or so I thought. Conditions improved, and it wasn't DA time at Nashville. All of a sudden I heard it switch to HD. And it stayed half the time. This is, considering I have HORRIBLE line noise that screws up VHF TV and FM. WLAC's analog audio sucks. So does their HD audio, just brighter. Powell NNNN! From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 18 07:19:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28364 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2006 15:18:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2006 15:18:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2006 15:18:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 22227 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Dec 2006 15:17:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Sgx.BLsVM1kNcHqEyJUmY0qghmBJKzg3w89fCWTheYwDvhum.MkVxSzdwjXkbzzQYFqssE0BmWvoS.IHeILVwQvE992GlMCmZIfAW9Ypo.f3y9Qd5lEd.nUO3NJt3Jw5jkQOFmEwisXG_I9Z.P2EpRmeFmVSmi9dvk4oX7aXOLUBGHWXW7Va8wlC Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 07:17:57 PST Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 07:17:57 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <982330.21586.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Christmas Music in AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=rnRn0dO8X6agR4P3ciwkbdJ36X4_0LJcnBsCuEtZSM03HcvPUS3qEo4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hey Gang, Time to call or write your local station engineer that is sitting on top of old unused CQuam AM Stereo hardware, and ask them politely to turn it on just for December 24th and 25th so that their Christmas music will be in AM Stereo. Give it a try. (PS: I already tried with WSM, so hopefully someone will be able to get WBZ online with the backup transmitter, as well as WGN) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Dec 18 10:12:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89796 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2006 18:10:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2006 18:10:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.214) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2006 18:10:03 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2006 18:08:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2006 18:08:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2006 18:08:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:08:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.121 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Today current AM Stereo systems in the world X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=h82xjIn6x240xEPEtJrVgdPsxZrXMH9o-_dEeQyqIbQgSch7cw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI AM STEREO GANG!!! A question to the most "veteran" in the forum: Where can I find an official statistical data about which AM Stereo=20 system is current in use, legally of course, in which country in the=20 world? Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 18 14:48:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13875 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2006 22:48:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2006 22:48:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.28) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2006 22:48:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 42995 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Dec 2006 22:47:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20061218224749.42993.qmail@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: vGKCyLgVM1nvM.3T1HSR0vg8DFwHwWbLKsMICeAgewnzVYY_Fsj0Xvz69S7D0FMOIiQIKtI1quFfBgRxfWag4K1YikiBcTPMqL86tUw8OlW1nM4nL77McvJDmhWEN59ah6j0j4VH Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:47:49 PST Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:47:49 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <982330.21586.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Christmas Music in AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=hpG8v89Qw21pty58EaFiNCKtAw_a7qsR9psN8LpPh5QNc0KUdBt_ X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I've tried that with WCSZ which is a Tama Broadcasting station. They don't respond to emails period. -Kevin --- "John P." wrote: > Hey Gang, > Time to call or write your local station engineer > that is sitting on > top of old unused CQuam AM Stereo hardware, and ask > them politely to > turn it on just for December 24th and 25th so that > their Christmas > music will be in AM Stereo. Give it a try. > > (PS: I already tried with WSM, so hopefully someone > will be able to get > WBZ online with the backup transmitter, as well as > WGN) > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 18 14:51:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27195 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2006 22:48:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2006 22:48:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.34) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2006 22:48:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 7430 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Dec 2006 22:48:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: r1Cdz.4VM1mf_5a8LTC3AchuEz4ItDw62YUWroH6 Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:48:15 PST Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:48:15 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <982330.21586.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <739296.5961.qm@web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Christmas Music in AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=fv2e10huQJVTm2rCZ2jCYMyRUtK-XjUXEu_yg4CX386Q31JHVHMk X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke And yes I emailed their offices in Florida. --- "John P." wrote: > Hey Gang, > Time to call or write your local station engineer > that is sitting on > top of old unused CQuam AM Stereo hardware, and ask > them politely to > turn it on just for December 24th and 25th so that > their Christmas > music will be in AM Stereo. Give it a try. > > (PS: I already tried with WSM, so hopefully someone > will be able to get > WBZ online with the backup transmitter, as well as > WGN) > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Dec 18 15:39:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31423 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2006 23:36:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2006 23:36:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2006 23:36:04 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.56.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.56] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GwS1b-0002AJ-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:36:03 -0500 Message-ID: <027c01c722fd$4893e230$386c5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <739296.5961.qm@web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:35:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Christmas Music in AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=Ra1IJW_VihUtR9Oxl4fM6hps40eBBvHfdCL6-Exb8-ITaYoLV95tnmFjVukl1g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 You would have better luck with Radio Randy WPCI. Also try WWNC 570 Possum ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" To: Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 5:48 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Christmas Music in AM Stereo > And yes I emailed their offices in Florida. > > > > --- "John P." wrote: > >> Hey Gang, >> Time to call or write your local station engineer >> that is sitting on >> top of old unused CQuam AM Stereo hardware, and ask >> them politely to >> turn it on just for December 24th and 25th so that >> their Christmas >> music will be in AM Stereo. Give it a try. >> >> (PS: I already tried with WSM, so hopefully someone >> will be able to get >> WBZ online with the backup transmitter, as well as >> WGN) >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Dec 18 16:31:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74517 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2006 00:30:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2006 00:30:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s8.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2006 00:30:42 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.107]) by bay0-omc1-s8.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:28:43 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:28:42 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 00:28:41 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 00:28:41 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2006 00:28:42.0992 (UTC) FILETIME=[A34CF700:01C72304] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.80 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Christmas Music in AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=RrKMM1qiosh8OdajKGHy6Wixo-a1yymihikJrSAxljq7lwelqMeWdWzlSC4 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo I nominate Dick Wheeler, who lives in Tampa, to go to Tama's HQ in Tampa and knock their doors down, if they don't either answer your emails, Kevin or to turn on the stereo at their am station in your area. This year is the 2nd year, we don't have an am station playing Christmas music. The last English speaking station is now political talk and their talkers just keep on talking. It would be nice if they could give their voices a rest for a week and play Christmas music. Donn, listening to the Christmas music on XM channels 104 and 106. --------------- Original Message-------------------------- From: Kevin Bell Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Christmas Music in AM Stereo Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:48:15 -0800 (PST) And yes I emailed their offices in Florida. --- "John P." wrote: >Hey Gang, >Time to call or write your local station engineer >that is sitting on >top of old unused CQuam AM Stereo hardware, and ask >them politely to >turn it on just for December 24th and 25th so that >their Christmas >music will be in AM Stereo. Give it a try. > >(PS: I already tried with WSM, so hopefully someone >will be able to get >WBZ online with the backup transmitter, as well as >WGN) > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >protection around http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Dec 18 16:40:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29319 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2006 00:38:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2006 00:38:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2006 00:38:47 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.56.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.56] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GwSzt-0003Qp-00; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:38:21 -0500 Message-ID: <02cf01c72305$fca66380$386c5b04@PossumHunter> To: <21stCenturySurvival@yahoogroups.com>, , , , , References: Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:22:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Off-Topic, But Worth A Try: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=9HKHobyAW_J1NGHllBXPkLRt1YMhHgDs5jHsZzvvZS4WIadG3m3-JZJQdwWU_w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anybody have any service information on the Connex "Deer Hunter" brand 10 Meter radio? I am trying to fix one that the receive died. It is NOT the standard RCI EPT 3600xxx Chassis that is used by the other 10 Meter radios. A picture of this radio is located at http://www.thequackshack.com/images/connex_deer_hunter.jpg or http://tinyurl.com/yxpz6z Thanks in advance Possum [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Dec 18 16:46:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68766 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2006 00:42:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2006 00:42:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2006 00:42:04 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.56.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.56] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GwSzp-0003Qp-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:38:18 -0500 Message-ID: <02ce01c72305$fa942550$386c5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:15:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Today current AM Stereo systems in the world X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=dnvo_uBmTQs8aW_IDeXjmCrWNUtu6UaEStNUsbFDzMmMWPnXd1nq4lhA87RUsw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jotape1960 wrote: >Where can I find an official statistical data about which AM Stereo system is current in use, legally of course, in which country in the world? This one is easy! Motorola C-QUAM is the ONLY stereo system authorized anywhere in the word for analog AM Stereo. Both Cam-D and HD-Radio are licensed for Digital AM Stereo in the United States. HD-Radio may also be approved in Mexico and Australia for experimentation IF it is permanently approved in the United States. DRM is Authorized for Digital AM Stereo in the rest of the world and on the International Shortwave bands. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Dec 18 16:55:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62886 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2006 00:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2006 00:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2006 00:55:05 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.56.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.56] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GwTFe-0005lV-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:54:38 -0500 Message-ID: <033901c72308$42f5e430$386c5b04@PossumHunter> To: Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:54:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: FCC MODIFIES AMATEUR RADIO SERVICE RULES ,ELIMINATING MORSE CODE EXAM REQUIREMENTS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=ru_qvooqQmZ3Mj2g1aWYdpu_qjjXWJpalhQuR11gagXSIgWFl6yi9EuXGpplwA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: NEWS MEDIA CONTACT: December 15, 2006 Chelsea Fallon: (202) 418-7991 FCC MODIFIES AMATEUR RADIO SERVICE RULES, ELIMINATING MORSE CODE EXAM REQUIREMENTS AND ADDRESSING ARRL PETITION FOR RECONSIDERATION Washington, D.C. - Today, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) adopted a Report and Order and Order on Reconsideration (Order) that modifies the rules for the Amateur Radio Service by revising the examination requirements for obtaining a General Class or Amateur Extra Class amateur radio operator license and revising the operating privileges for Technician Class licensees. In addition, the Order resolves a petition filed by the American Radio Relay League, Inc. (ARRL) for partial reconsideration of an FCC Order on amateur service rules released on October 10, 2006. The current amateur service operator license structure contains three classes of amateur radio operator licenses: Technician Class, General Class, and Amateur Extra Class. General Class and Amateur Extra Class licensees are permitted to operate in Amateur bands below 30 MHz, while the introductory Technician Class licensees are only permitted to operate in bands above 30 MHz. Prior to today's action, the FCC, in accordance with international radio regulations, required applicants for General Class and Amateur Extra Class operator licenses to pass a five words-per-minute Morse code examination. Today's Order eliminates that requirement for General and Amateur Extra licensees. This change reflects revisions to international radio regulations made at the International Telecommunication Union's 2003 World Radio Conference (WRC-03), which authorized each country to determine whether to require that individuals demonstrate Morse code proficiency in order to qualify for an amateur radio license with transmitting privileges on frequencies below 30 MHz. This change eliminates an unnecessary regulatory burden that may discourage current amateur radio operators from advancing their skills and participating more fully in the benefits of amateur radio. Today's Order also revises the operating privileges for Technician Class licensees by eliminating a disparity in the operating privileges for the Technician Class and Technician Plus Class licensees. Technician Class licensees are authorized operating privileges on all amateur frequencies above 30 MHz. The Technician Plus Class license, which is an operator license class that existed prior the FCC's simplification of the amateur license structure in 1999 and was grandfathered after that time, authorized operating privileges on all amateur frequencies above 30 MHz, as well as frequency segments in four HF bands (below 30 MHz) after the successful completion of a Morse code examination. With today's elimination of the Morse code exam requirements, the FCC concluded that the disparity between the operating privileges of Technician Class licensees and Technician Plus Class licensees should not be retained. Therefore, the FCC, in today's action, afforded Technician and Technician Plus licensees identical operating privileges. Finally, today's Order resolved a petition filed by the ARRL for partial reconsideration of an FCC Order released on October 10, 2006 (FCC 06-149). In this Order, the FCC authorized amateur stations to transmit voice communications on additional frequencies in certain amateur service bands, including the 75 meter (m) band, which is authorized only for certain wideband voice and image communications. The ARRL argued that the 75 m band should not have been expanded below 3635 kHz, in order to protect automatically controlled digital stations operating in the 3620-3635 kHz portion of the 80 m band. The FCC concluded that these stations can be protected by providing alternate spectrum in the 3585-3600 kHz frequency segment. Action by the Commission on December 15, 2006, by Report and Order and Order on Reconsideration. Chairman Martin and Commissioners Copps, Adelstein, Tate, and McDowell. For additional information, contact William Cross at (202) 418-0691 or William.Cross@fcc.gov. WT Docket Nos. 04-140 and 05-235. - FCC - News and other information about the Federal Communications Commission is available at www.fcc.gov. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 18 17:26:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27310 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2006 01:26:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2006 01:26:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.27) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2006 01:26:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 89938 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Dec 2006 00:52:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20061219005249.89936.qmail@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: eEI7QJwVM1k7GGMEl9Rby64O4sqxLOQUbgWLt5P7qSt4xj__2PrkFXKVD0zXR1JNIKiMsi95Iq2GiL49xLo7ZjDnk_UaPZcJWF6.SMQcQS8xy8P0kQl2u46rogb8oEF4ss9luK1y Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:52:49 PST Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:52:49 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <027c01c722fd$4893e230$386c5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Christmas Music in AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=SKBHNc_0pEe2zb4ptyorQeHzP-QyN9c9oF3mYCsaRHPxm1BJHIRL X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke radio randy turned cquam off, he went IBOC. Now its just noisy low signal mono on regular AM. --- Possum Hunter wrote: > You would have better luck with Radio Randy WPCI. > Also try WWNC 570 > > Possum > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Bell" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 5:48 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Christmas Music in AM Stereo > > > > And yes I emailed their offices in Florida. > > > > > > > > --- "John P." wrote: > > > >> Hey Gang, > >> Time to call or write your local station engineer > >> that is sitting on > >> top of old unused CQuam AM Stereo hardware, and > ask > >> them politely to > >> turn it on just for December 24th and 25th so > that > >> their Christmas > >> music will be in AM Stereo. Give it a try. > >> > >> (PS: I already tried with WSM, so hopefully > someone > >> will be able to get > >> WBZ online with the backup transmitter, as well > as > >> WGN) > >> > >> > >> > __________________________________________________ > >> Do You Yahoo!? > >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > >> protection around > >> http://mail.yahoo.com > >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wnmb@sc.rr.com Mon Dec 18 19:55:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85060 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2006 03:55:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2006 03:55:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.101) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2006 03:55:44 -0000 Received: from WNMB900 (cpe-024-211-081-090.sc.res.rr.com [24.211.81.90]) by ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBJ1894s028538 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 20:08:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001201c7230a$28ddd420$6401a8c0@WNMB900> To: References: Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 20:08:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Norman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Christmas Music in AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=1e1V0lbyUDmXoRBi1ReJAqNZhOTOeaQDOoVx66OFOPW2IA X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey guys! We will be, as of midnight tonight (MON), playing all Christmas music 24 hours a day through Christmas day. XM, Sirius........bah humbug! It's better in AM Stereo. Bill (no arrogance intended!) ----- Original Message ----- From: Donn Tillman To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 7:28 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Christmas Music in AM Stereo I nominate Dick Wheeler, who lives in Tampa, to go to Tama's HQ in Tampa and knock their doors down, if they don't either answer your emails, Kevin or to turn on the stereo at their am station in your area. This year is the 2nd year, we don't have an am station playing Christmas music. The last English speaking station is now political talk and their talkers just keep on talking. It would be nice if they could give their voices a rest for a week and play Christmas music. Donn, listening to the Christmas music on XM channels 104 and 106. --------------- Original Message-------------------------- From: Kevin Bell Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Christmas Music in AM Stereo Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:48:15 -0800 (PST) And yes I emailed their offices in Florida. --- "John P." wrote: >Hey Gang, >Time to call or write your local station engineer >that is sitting on >top of old unused CQuam AM Stereo hardware, and ask >them politely to >turn it on just for December 24th and 25th so that >their Christmas >music will be in AM Stereo. Give it a try. > >(PS: I already tried with WSM, so hopefully someone >will be able to get >WBZ online with the backup transmitter, as well as >WGN) > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 18 21:39:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78437 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2006 05:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2006 05:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.27) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2006 05:39:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 56372 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Dec 2006 05:38:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: B9yEfv0VM1k2VDGTd8OgW4g3Mgd4fE9Fa17Pauu05aGmFy304SkYSksA69SJl.0..KW8DHG91t961Xu0k.GnPa93SGQo8pKMyDD5K5EA04BTQRMUt.g5zvPVSuIgQhdje96Ohyk.78fQfbL5uIQjE80xqAlveNOpoFwMfPmviv6ZopbV1UufKA-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 21:38:56 PST Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 21:38:56 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001201c7230a$28ddd420$6401a8c0@WNMB900> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <53795.53764.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Christmas Music in AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=t_PNmrg8N_6iJ_i-peZdaiPrACYQT0jReM0jImJuMXx3vQwn6G30 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I knew Bill would save the day! Yall tune into WNMB now! -Kevin --- Norman wrote: > Hey guys! We will be, as of midnight tonight (MON), > playing all Christmas music 24 hours a day through > Christmas day. > XM, Sirius........bah humbug! It's better in AM > Stereo. > > Bill (no arrogance intended!) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Donn Tillman > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 7:28 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Christmas Music in AM Stereo > > > I nominate Dick Wheeler, who lives in Tampa, to go > to Tama's HQ in Tampa and > knock their doors down, if they don't either > answer your emails, Kevin or to > turn on the stereo at their am station in your > area. > > This year is the 2nd year, we don't have an am > station playing Christmas > music. The last English speaking station is now > political talk and their > talkers just keep on talking. It would be nice if > they could give their > voices a rest for a week and play Christmas music. > > Donn, > listening to the Christmas music on XM channels > 104 and 106. > --------------- Original > Message-------------------------- > From: Kevin Bell > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Christmas Music in AM Stereo > Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:48:15 -0800 (PST) > > And yes I emailed their offices in Florida. > > --- "John P." wrote: > > >Hey Gang, > >Time to call or write your local station engineer > >that is sitting on > >top of old unused CQuam AM Stereo hardware, and > ask > >them politely to > >turn it on just for December 24th and 25th so > that > >their Christmas > >music will be in AM Stereo. Give it a try. > > > >(PS: I already tried with WSM, so hopefully > someone > >will be able to get > >WBZ online with the backup transmitter, as well > as > >WGN) > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > >protection around http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tomray@wor710.com Tue Dec 19 10:00:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79970 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2006 17:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2006 17:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2006 17:58:05 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2006 17:58:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2006 17:58:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2006 17:58:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:58:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Christmas Music in AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=tLvtsWjoISbKrlRfgxE76winJgUSQlESEYQ_nXfhu8RTY0Ja X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray While this is a nice thought, guys, I would bet that if the AM stereo is off, the equipment is either no longer on site and/or disconnected from the transmitter. And turning it back on would require a retuning/readjustment of the entire system. This close to Christmas, there is no way in hell I would even consider making a change at the transmitter. Most of us have families who would like to see us on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day, not sharing us with emergency calls about the transmitter site. It's one thing to get a call because of a "real" emergency. It's another to get a call because of an emergency caused by changing something.....and putting an older piece of gear back into service is just asking for grief. And I highly doubt you will get any takers to put the auxiliary on the air over a holiday. Tom Ray WOR From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Dec 19 10:41:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96497 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2006 18:40:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2006 18:40:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2006 18:40:42 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.106.130.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.106.130] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GwjiQ-0005Tb-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 13:29:27 -0500 Message-ID: <013301c7239b$9d7ee2b0$826a5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 13:29:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Christmas Music in AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=oa1nW0tdIf3OQ-ejb77C2Z98v3MLvWyLeWKsPUKPjE9jJV2zta51_v5ZdwgHTA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Ray wrote: > While this is a nice thought, guys, I would bet that if the AM stereo is off, the equipment is either no longer on site and/or disconnected from the transmitter. Often the reason AM stereo is off is equipment failed, or the old Stereo transmitter was traded in...Sad but true. > > This close to Christmas, there is no way in hell I would even consider making a change at the transmitter. Most of us have families who > would like to see us on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day, not sharing us with emergency calls about the transmitter site. In man stations this is true but in a case like WBZ, WLS, or WGN *IF* they did have a problem with the Stereo DX-50 (not likely) all the board op would have to do is call up the remote and turn the new transmitter back on. The CE would still be at home watching the kids open their new Daisey BB Guns. > > And I highly doubt you will get any takers to put the auxiliary on the air over a holiday. If the Auxiliary is an old tube monster from the 1960s, I would agree. If the aux is a digital transmitter that has a proven track record, why not? Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Dec 19 17:43:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93960 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2006 01:41:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2006 01:41:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2006 01:41:43 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.109.49.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.109.49] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GwqOi-0007BQ-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 20:37:33 -0500 Message-ID: <00be01c723d7$6bbc93d0$316d5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <001201c7230a$28ddd420$6401a8c0@WNMB900> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 20:37:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Christmas Music in AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=Qwco0HXRnomhTN_5iyrSDhO9_0gbo_retQMT17W_pcsaoSJzff26YTTT9qGUOQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 When you own the best radio station in the State, you have the right to be arrogant! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman" To: Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 8:08 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Christmas Music in AM Stereo > Hey guys! We will be, as of midnight tonight (MON), playing all Christmas > music 24 hours a day through Christmas day. > XM, Sirius........bah humbug! It's better in AM Stereo. > > Bill (no arrogance intended!) From starship_2001@msn.com Tue Dec 19 17:50:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67375 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2006 01:50:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2006 01:50:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s41.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.241) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2006 01:50:46 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.89]) by bay0-omc3-s41.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:50:30 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:50:30 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.6 by BAY106-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 01:50:29 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 01:50:28 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2006 01:50:30.0490 (UTC) FILETIME=[3ACF7BA0:01C723D9] Return-Path: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.241 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Christmas Music in AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=t99uaoLLgst2fSznCCWRpU0qnpdA9NYZHCkjA7-qZI9HzQ95jKog1xkrNQ X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit QUOTE:When you own the best radio station in the State, you have the right to be arrogant! end quote Incorrect: it really should be country not state. -----Original Message----- From: Possum Hunter Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:37 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Christmas Music in AM Stereo When you own the best radio station in the State, you have the right to be arrogant! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman" To: Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 8:08 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Christmas Music in AM Stereo > Hey guys! We will be, as of midnight tonight (MON), playing all Christmas > music 24 hours a day through Christmas day. > XM, Sirius........bah humbug! It's better in AM Stereo. > > Bill (no arrogance intended!) Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue Dec 19 17:52:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90862 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2006 01:49:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2006 01:49:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2006 01:49:13 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.248]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 138039180 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 19:46:34 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <008901c723d9$2db72080$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 19:50:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 4, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.248 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Alfredo transmitter range- was: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=oa5Q0u8-9ZqDQ-nZftECfHKqyhLXF5yLqjmjGMObcZkofJmzj1JJ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Juan, Is yours one of the earlier units? Those had considerably less power than the newer ones. Mine doesn't transmit very far either, but Chris does do upgrades for a fee. For decent coverage you should have two things- a well grounded tower to mount the transmitter on and a pipe for an antenna, not a wire. The FCC appears to interpret their own rules far more leniently than they appear to the average layman. You're allowed 3m *combined* for antenna and ground lead. However, if you're mounting it directly to a grounded structure, that counts as the ground and you can use the full 3m (~10') for the antenna. Of course if you're using this outdoors you'll need a weatherproof enclosure to mount it in, and if you're using the stock crystal, that'll have to go as well as they're very temperature sensitive. Wouldn't hurt to have a thermostatically controlled lightbulb in the enclosure to help keep the temps somewhat stable. As for the antenna, using a pipe a few inches in diameter has better bandwidth than a wire, and the capacitance to ground is greater, making it act like a taller antenna than you'd get with just a wire. Bandwidth is critical for good AMS transmission. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan" > > I have had little luck getting my Alfredo out more than a few yards. > I need to find some plans for an antenna, or figure something else > out. my FM transmitter covers about a quarter mile, but I would like > to get the AM Stereo to at least cover my block. > > > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue Dec 19 18:15:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76695 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2006 02:12:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2006 02:12:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2006 02:12:45 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.248]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 138040380 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 19:53:05 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a101c723da$16e07540$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 19:56:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 4, in=3, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.248 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Christmas Music in AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=6msOA1v4BeXP7zypNv5MIAzadBcnu2XQQrE92c5PMiHEag6TLjQy X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It's a bummer to be sure, but I suspect that has as much to do with the need for music licensing as anything else. Most talk stations either don't have one or have one allowing only limited use. To go all music even for one day might violate that. But if it's a Salem station, Dennis Prager will be on live Noon-3P Eastern. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" > > This year is the 2nd year, we don't have an am station playing Christmas > music. The last English speaking station is now political talk and their > talkers just keep on talking. It would be nice if they could give their > voices a rest for a week and play Christmas music. From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Dec 19 21:06:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2373 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2006 05:05:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2006 05:05:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.31) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2006 05:05:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 74646 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Dec 2006 05:05:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20061220050525.74644.qmail@web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 1IyRH8IVM1md9zVv0tfcqFKb5YNvC8RoLiOJJriYwTlaVI6NPZJOt1yPXWJfLODZ5U1Doa7SdYXaN1zwUeXxRGNHblbyZHJjqccDeyla9oR8ry8oYPWC0NWjzBEmPpW1R.hguk3g8PkNnHh7nWgSb6S3lVGS_dt4o32MCJYn0fXqfqfvyDSePQ-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 21:05:24 PST Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 21:05:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00be01c723d7$6bbc93d0$316d5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Christmas Music in AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=9ieZw61Ci5Vm9Wg4RxN4LrS7rOC4CBVYEHLyEJKAGRxbneT1vkqC X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I'll second that on the best station in the state! --- Possum Hunter wrote: > When you own the best radio station in the State, > you have the right to be > arrogant! > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norman" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 8:08 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Christmas Music in AM Stereo > > > > Hey guys! We will be, as of midnight tonight > (MON), playing all Christmas > > music 24 hours a day through Christmas day. > > XM, Sirius........bah humbug! It's better in AM > Stereo. > > > > Bill (no arrogance intended!) > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Dec 19 21:06:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79519 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2006 05:06:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2006 05:06:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2006 05:06:36 -0000 Received: from ibm70aec.bellsouth.net ([72.153.49.31]) by imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20061220050545.NFRL4506.imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm70aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 00:05:45 -0500 Received: from JUAN ([72.153.49.31]) by ibm70aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20061220050544.MSZB18024.ibm70aec.bellsouth.net@JUAN> for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 00:05:44 -0500 Message-ID: <011501c723f4$7ce19760$0301a8c0@JUAN> To: References: <008901c723d9$2db72080$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 00:05:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0660-0, 12/19/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 205.152.59.72 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "gualdaj" Subject: Re: Alfredo transmitter range- was: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=VPX06waIL1aVegsOZcwaSsz6bxdLLjBcVGO74bwcYst7epg X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott, Thanks a lot for the email. You gave me some great ideas that will help that transmitter get out better. First of all, I need to send it to Chris to get the power issue repaired. If I could just have it cover my house, I would be happy. Thanks again, I really appreciate it. Juan ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:50 PM Subject: Alfredo transmitter range- was: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't Juan, Is yours one of the earlier units? Those had considerably less power than the newer ones. Mine doesn't transmit very far either, but Chris does do upgrades for a fee. For decent coverage you should have two things- a well grounded tower to mount the transmitter on and a pipe for an antenna, not a wire. The FCC appears to interpret their own rules far more leniently than they appear to the average layman. You're allowed 3m *combined* for antenna and ground lead. However, if you're mounting it directly to a grounded structure, that counts as the ground and you can use the full 3m (~10') for the antenna. Of course if you're using this outdoors you'll need a weatherproof enclosure to mount it in, and if you're using the stock crystal, that'll have to go as well as they're very temperature sensitive. Wouldn't hurt to have a thermostatically controlled lightbulb in the enclosure to help keep the temps somewhat stable. As for the antenna, using a pipe a few inches in diameter has better bandwidth than a wire, and the capacitance to ground is greater, making it act like a taller antenna than you'd get with just a wire. Bandwidth is critical for good AMS transmission. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan" > > I have had little luck getting my Alfredo out more than a few yards. > I need to find some plans for an antenna, or figure something else > out. my FM transmitter covers about a quarter mile, but I would like > to get the AM Stereo to at least cover my block. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Wed Dec 20 07:53:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86065 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2006 15:47:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2006 15:47:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.23) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2006 15:47:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2006 15:46:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2006 15:46:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:46:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.184.159.165 From: "Douglas" Subject: Bob Harper Research X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355; y=efd0482sL3-BH9r4jdiRgYJHozHQDLZeI9jdIFtEiv1aWMLwCw X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee According to this research, the response to FM HD isn't too warm: http://www.keystonemediaresearch.com/ The research says listeners seem to like AM HD, but it doesn't appear that = AM HD was the=20 focus of the research. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Dec 20 09:10:34 2006 X-Deleted-Message: yes From tomray@wor710.com Wed Dec 20 11:59:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41594 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2006 19:57:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2006 19:57:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.117) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2006 19:57:20 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2006 19:56:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2006 19:56:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2006 19:56:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:56:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <013301c7239b$9d7ee2b0$826a5b04@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Christmas Music in AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=I_TaSMr603WrIDkwRRVtOUo9vbfxdjZqDTWWnKQ-8eySUoTP X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > >=20 > In man stations this is true but in a case like WBZ, WLS, or WGN *IF* they did have a problem with the Stereo DX-50 (not likely) all the board op would have to do is call up the remote and turn the new transmitter back on. The CE would still be at home watching the kids open their new Daisey BB Guns. > > Until the board op calls the CE at home, and he then heads in because that is his job and management expects it. Not worth the trouble. TR From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Dec 20 18:37:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72295 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2006 02:37:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2006 02:37:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2006 02:37:02 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.154]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 138268240 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:35:12 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c724a9$24c7df20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <008901c723d9$2db72080$d503fea9@stodd> <011501c723f4$7ce19760$0301a8c0@JUAN> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:38:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 2, in=5, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.154 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: Alfredo transmitter range- was: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=wfUlPD8soeLN3DOpUfo1O4SIl2Nyk3B0DvUeYPR8oOA3Z3lYJLSd X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It may also need some resistors changed to increase the sensitivity of the audio inputs. Be sure to ask about doing that too. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "gualdaj" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:05 PM Subject: Re: Alfredo transmitter range- was: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't > Scott, > > Thanks a lot for the email. You gave me some great ideas that will help that transmitter get out better. First of all, I need to send it to Chris to get the power issue repaired. > > If I could just have it cover my house, I would be happy. > > Thanks again, I really appreciate it. > > Juan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scott Todd > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:50 PM > Subject: Alfredo transmitter range- was: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't > > > Juan, > > Is yours one of the earlier units? Those had considerably less power than > the newer ones. Mine doesn't transmit very far either, but Chris does do > upgrades for a fee. For decent coverage you should have two things- a well > grounded tower to mount the transmitter on and a pipe for an antenna, not a > wire. The FCC appears to interpret their own rules far more leniently than > they appear to the average layman. You're allowed 3m *combined* for antenna > and ground lead. However, if you're mounting it directly to a grounded > structure, that counts as the ground and you can use the full 3m (~10') for > the antenna. Of course if you're using this outdoors you'll need a > weatherproof enclosure to mount it in, and if you're using the stock > crystal, that'll have to go as well as they're very temperature sensitive. > Wouldn't hurt to have a thermostatically controlled lightbulb in the > enclosure to help keep the temps somewhat stable. > > As for the antenna, using a pipe a few inches in diameter has better > bandwidth than a wire, and the capacitance to ground is greater, making it > act like a taller antenna than you'd get with just a wire. Bandwidth is > critical for good AMS transmission. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Juan" > > > > > I have had little luck getting my Alfredo out more than a few yards. > > I need to find some plans for an antenna, or figure something else > > out. my FM transmitter covers about a quarter mile, but I would like > > to get the AM Stereo to at least cover my block. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From amfmtech@yahoo.com Sat Dec 23 18:28:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48570 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2006 02:27:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2006 02:27:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56803.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2006 02:27:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 94002 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Dec 2006 02:27:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20061224022703.93997.qmail@web56803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: RASB0HQVM1kvSnedExGNMnPmvTt0InaEwBiziur80P7fcYCZXl3xmfp82Kv3i6m2XsHZPnWCGEF66SMJwexfltSWNqay2E3iMZLsEGm7lhsHkkHWSKMxngOGYjHgPirgK5YIoDGIeI9mow-- Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56803.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 18:27:03 PST Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 18:27:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001901c724a9$24c7df20$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.77 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Alfredo transmitter range- was: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=CgGFa5M_3N_Y0rtFn3S7R81sQv-TI7OCXsjH2zHUg2hUokQ X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there a schematic on this unit? ...Harold Scott Todd wrote: It may also need some resistors changed to increase the sensitivity of the audio inputs. Be sure to ask about doing that too. Scott __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmtech@yahoo.com Sat Dec 23 18:28:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7046 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2006 02:28:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2006 02:28:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56807.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.81) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2006 02:28:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 98462 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Dec 2006 02:28:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20061224022851.98460.qmail@web56807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: p28_GT4VM1nSAM9yXL0F.pCAQDlb9z3Er6bTcjAk4DV9OwfGWowGLBjec_e.tMOgJ11HUnQKpbNLBzXrXL8eUlDLw.09PNsFu8daiHFrYZnQe7ZmjGl9aX5a0quBnM70pHgyCHyhctNrQgy4tB5fp_I3RwYzIIItlFz3gtUCcmpruG7TmijoPiqszNe8 Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56807.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 18:28:51 PST Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 18:28:51 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001901c724a9$24c7df20$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Disappointing News Story X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=DU8DWXUQ4o5rWVujX8H8gUtBl1nW69VlFu6B48ngtzLhZ-M X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is real disappointing news, if Canada ends up going with Ibiquity. [quote] Canada admits its digital radio plan has flopped. Back in the 1990s Canada chose a completely different path toward digital, using the European-born Eureka-147 out-of-band technology. But now it's got a rarely-used system that's not compatible with either U.S. or European digital audio broadcasting - and it says it's ready to accept applications for other uses in 1452-1492 mhz. It's even (big step) open to applications to use the iBiquity-developed HD system. [/quote] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Dec 23 18:51:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22495 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2006 02:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2006 02:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s32.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.168) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2006 02:50:18 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.117]) by bay0-omc2-s32.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sat, 23 Dec 2006 18:49:32 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 18:49:32 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 02:49:28 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 02:49:28 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Dec 2006 02:49:32.0612 (UTC) FILETIME=[23BB6840:01C72706] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Disappointing News Story(Canada Abandons Eureka-147) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=uvGpk70sUQb6-9tPPehCz5ELcO-PqBYHV41BmZneanLATDpcJb-r93qpMwk X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Date posted: 2006-12-21 Canada Eyes IBOC, DRM Canada's version of the FCC, the Canadian Radio-Television and Telecommunications Commission revised its digital radio policy, opening the door to stations using In-Band, On-Channel digital radio systems, including Ibiquity's HD Radio system and possibly Digital Radio Mondiale. The CRTC says that for a variety of reasons, the Eureka-147 rollout is stalled in Canada and that's why it's considering other options. In Public Notice CRTC 2006-160, the commission stated it would be prepared to authorize services using IBOC/HD Radio technology for the AM and/or FM bands, if the Canadian department of Industry authorizes services using the technology under the Radiocommunication Act. Several hurdles would need to be met first, including waiting for the U.S. FCC to issue final authorization for IBOC. The CRTC is open to the possibility of stations using DRM, but says it needs to test both HD Radio and DRM systems. FM HD-R tests are underway in Toronto now by the CBC, and DRM testing could begin this spring. Read more in an upcoming issue of Radio World. --------------- Original Message ----------------------- From: Harold Richards Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Disappointing News Story Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 18:28:51 -0800 (PST) This is real disappointing news, if Canada ends up going with Ibiquity. [quote] Canada admits its digital radio plan has flopped. Back in the 1990s Canada chose a completely different path toward digital, using the European-born Eureka-147 out-of-band technology. But now it's got a rarely-used system that's not compatible with either U.S. or European digital audio broadcasting - and it says it's ready to accept applications for other uses in 1452-1492 mhz. It's even (big step) open to applications to use the iBiquity-developed HD system. [/quote] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat Dec 23 20:19:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31054 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2006 04:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2006 04:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52001.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.84) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2006 04:19:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 59210 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Dec 2006 04:19:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: UShdWHIVM1mQoxC_Xj8OcMSoxguHiP10p9kgdzXYC23DU3FM2_w8Mf_M2Vl3KwzOIbiLluO215XTmjvtaMGQ0w3MoFvkoHsSbvDXbcZcDDbnewayCz8XMsyZh6FD8LvZS8UdM.PSFOZXjY8- Received: from [70.109.201.250] by web52001.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 20:19:29 PST Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 20:19:29 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <560138.58577.qm@web52001.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.84 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: RE: {AMSF} Disappointing News Story (Canada Abandons Eureka-147) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=oHp9iYi2ZIdmsn3mlwyPTdboNC6D_WM8P-86gqJlTfUfOPx9HtjZ X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Yeah, and in 1957, F.M. had stalled EVERYWHERE! If modern attitudes had prevailed then, we'd STILL only have 1 broadcast band instead of 2. Shame on the C.R.T.C.. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From radio603@malmo2.net Sun Dec 24 04:57:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio603@malmo2.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8037 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2006 12:56:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2006 12:56:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.bredband2.net) (82.209.166.4) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2006 12:56:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 1829 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2006 11:47:01 -0000 Received: from mkb-145-32-209-82.3.cust.bredband2.com (HELO malmoe) ([82.209.145.32]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.bredband2.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 24 Dec 2006 11:47:01 -0000 Message-ID: <000e01c72752$938e8160$2091d152@malmoe> To: "Allan Krautwald" Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 12:56:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 82.209.166.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Roy" Subject: Tests on 9290 kHz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=195882801; y=Kpzlx6QqN6RxGCKXFH2vku72GJoU_4sCE4_sDle0r_OzYJ8 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello from Sweden, X-mas program on 9290 kHz shortwave 31-m. 25-26 of dec. from early mornings. 100 kW. Merry x-mas to all of you, Best regards from Roy Sandgren www.radio603.info.se [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Dec 24 08:19:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43149 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2006 16:19:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2006 16:19:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2006 16:19:30 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.231]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 139936543 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 10:10:48 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c72776$98e33600$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20061224022703.93997.qmail@web56803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 10:14:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 4, First 3, in=3, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.231 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: Alfredo transmitter range- was: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=RAdHv2kFywKXRHdZu5cnQIP_GJJxVutOpAh7_FLY2tRj2aNvEJFh X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Yes there is. I have the oldest version, however, which includes the three band audio processor which is not on the lite unit, nor does it have the improved audio sensitivity nor power output increase. Chris Cuff should have the revisions available. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Richards" To: Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 8:27 PM Subject: Re: Alfredo transmitter range- was: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't > Is there a schematic on this unit? > > ...Harold > > Scott Todd wrote: > It may also need some resistors changed to increase the sensitivity of the > audio inputs. Be sure to ask about doing that too. > > Scott > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Dec 24 08:32:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65481 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2006 16:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2006 16:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2006 16:32:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2006 16:31:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2006 16:31:31 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 16:31:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.77 From: "jotape1960" Subject: SW bands AM Stereo questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=jAHBIqupgX9TQsKpHm6HKedcQApvMf9lvoKYLyJszQlZYCQNtQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI AM STEREO GANG!!! Thanks to this forum now I know Motorola C-QUAM AM Stereo is the=20 only system in the whole world to the MW band. But, Is it legal in=20 the ShortWave (HF) bands too? If it's legal, What about the=20 performance in SW bands? Are there MW/SW AM Stereo receivers? Excuse my ignorance but you must to remember I'm a chilean man who=20 has always been here, in Chile, so... my reality is very, very,=20 very, so, so, so different than USA or Europe or Japan. In facts,=20 here in Chile is almost impossible to find a tuner with SW bands!!!=20 You find tuners with AM (MW) bands... with luck!!! Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Dec 24 09:20:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89114 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2006 17:18:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2006 17:18:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2006 17:18:44 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.111.173.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.111.173] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GyWw3-0007nn-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 12:14:56 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01c7277f$08887940$ad6f5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 12:14:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} SW bands AM Stereo questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=J8u-Ruqt7mzyoLg4ydnjqkMG13JuM90MJW0N5ECBnDxX48ESpqB5PhM-WcfkuA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jotape1960 wrote: >Thanks to this forum now I know Motorola C-QUAM AM Stereo is the only system in the whole world to the MW band. But, Is it legal in the ShortWave (HF) bands too? Yes. > > If it's legal, What about the performance in SW bands? Due to propogation, there is a little more platform motion. > > Are there MW/SW AM Stereo receivers? Yes! Japan Radio Company (JRC) NRD-545 DSP - Communications receiver with AM Stereo support in its Synchronous Detection mode, featuring Digital Signal Processing (DSP) for lower noise and better reception. The AM Stereo feature works across the NRD-545's tuning range, in the Longwave and Shortwave bands as well as the normal AM broadcast band. You will find some of the AM Hams using AM stereo on 160 Meters. > > In facts, here in Chile is almost impossible to find a tuner with SW bands!!! You can buy the NRD-545 DSP here: http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/commrxvr/1545.html You can download the sales flyer here: http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/commrxvr/NRD545.pdf Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Dec 24 10:07:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79339 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2006 18:07:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2006 18:07:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2006 18:07:52 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.111.173.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.111.173] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GyXlC-0004yX-00; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:07:47 -0500 Message-ID: <00bc01c72786$6a7ebc20$ad6f5b04@PossumHunter> To: , References: <458E7906.5070006@gats-inc.com> Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:07:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Christmas Music X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=kfuKWdL60nVBGBhEpNfqQoG6lCo3qoTbIqTFeLbgwFjcozbGaZbQaym9Cxh20Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can download FREE Christmas music by the United States Air Force Academy Band and the Naden Band of Maritime Forces Pacific of the Canadian Navy from Esquimalt, British Columbia here: http://www.noradsanta.org/en/downloads.php Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Dec 24 13:03:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84797 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2006 21:03:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2006 21:03:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2006 21:03:21 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.147]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 142170092 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 15:03:15 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c7279f$741a1c20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 15:06:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 6, in=5, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.147 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} SW bands AM Stereo questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=nyT8BgGvUu84A1-kfgz_CHIK6F3dsayYqR-fgXuXN0rLIAG-FAxV X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I don't think C-QUAM was ever used on shortwave other than by a few hams. The problem is selective fading does enough to destroy normal reception and would be worse for stereo. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" Thanks to this forum now I know Motorola C-QUAM AM Stereo is the only system in the whole world to the MW band. But, Is it legal in the ShortWave (HF) bands too? If it's legal, What about the performance in SW bands? Are there MW/SW AM Stereo receivers? From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Dec 24 14:57:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74923 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2006 22:56:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2006 22:56:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2006 22:56:05 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.235.251.129.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.235.251.129] helo=PossumHunter) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GycG0-00021s-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 17:55:53 -0500 Message-ID: <004e01c727ae$a9718390$81fbeb04@PossumHunter> To: References: <001b01c7279f$741a1c20$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 17:55:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} SW bands AM Stereo questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=vjpzaqA9TbJ51YOqr1aFtOCaEFCt36Isj4dY7BDRS7teoVIPj3JXn3rntPsbhw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott Todd wrote: >I don't think C-QUAM was ever used on shortwave other than by a few hams. KUSW was in C-QUAM before it was taken over by the Bible Bangers as KTBN. WRNO experimented with Stereo, but the equipment was destroyed in a transmitter fire. NDXI was to come on the air in Stereo but became WEWN before it ever went live. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Sun Dec 24 17:53:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1696 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 01:52:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 01:52:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 01:52:30 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2006 01:49:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2006 01:49:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 01:49:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.52.190 From: "Nicholas" Subject: AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=KMw4RmvomHbAvHPhCnFT5MEtux5XP-mgwPr6iwbYZgj366XjGQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 turns out one of the HD Radio recievers sold at Radio Shack happens to be able to recieve C-QUAM analog AM stereo as well as HD Radio right out of the box! It is the Accurian reciever sold at Radio Shack with the model number 12-1686. It does act a little strange as it switches to stereo though some sort of DSP will kick in giving a hollow sound for a few seconds then the audio will blend to stereo. As I type this I am listening to CKMX 1060 from Calgary in full stereo using this particular reciever. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Dec 24 18:11:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12988 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 02:11:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 02:11:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 02:11:19 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.104.190.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.104.190] helo=PossumHunter) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GyfIH-0001Xi-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 21:10:27 -0500 Message-ID: <010a01c727c9$d7491830$81fbeb04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 21:10:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=tIFYOQBkN1iRDpAMEs9lDT85scOgwZX5hQ6VaXOanppzKzdWDjHMWmU4vE3svQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Nicholas wrote: > turns out one of the HD Radio recievers sold at Radio Shack happens to be > able to recieve C-QUAM analog AM stereo Can anybody confirm the US model will get C-QUAM? If so, I am gonna go buy one Tuesday Morning! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From amfmtech@yahoo.com Sun Dec 24 18:57:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37647 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 02:57:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 02:57:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56809.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.83) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 02:57:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 24337 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Dec 2006 02:57:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lTTtxVYVM1kSYhxjjkFujrBbkYvjP3QmsE.aERh64MW0nyWgISwvimZwMxXucpeR0w-- Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56809.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 18:57:21 PST Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 18:57:21 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <821977.23476.qm@web56809.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} Disappointing News Story(Canada Abandons Eureka-147) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=EBUknPkcHlvNxzsJFbsZ1fnh64XCo119ZX2qCWmcKi_ExJI X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since I have played around with D.R.M. with another engineer, and those proposing D.R.M. make it clear that it has to be in its own band, my vote would be for D.R.M. I don't know if any of you have heard either the shortwave broadcasts of D.R.M. or the ham version of it called WinDRM, but it is impressive. [Flame suit on] Leonard Kahn's CAM-D even has great merit if you want old style analog and newer technology to co-exist without interference from each other. I know many of you don't like Leonard. He sometimes does not state himself well, and most of the time comes off as being a little odd, but if you read his whitepapers and actually take time to research the tests he has done, he is right on the mark. Sadly, I think IBOC has proven to be too much of a cinderblock around the neck. ...Harold Donn Tillman wrote: Date posted: 2006-12-21 Canada Eyes IBOC, DRM Canada's version of the FCC, the Canadian Radio-Television and Telecommunications Commission revised its digital radio policy, opening the door to stations using In-Band, On-Channel digital radio systems, including Ibiquity's HD Radio system and possibly Digital Radio Mondiale. The CRTC says that for a variety of reasons, the Eureka-147 rollout is stalled in Canada and that's why it's considering other options. In Public Notice CRTC 2006-160, the commission stated it would be prepared to authorize services using IBOC/HD Radio technology for the AM and/or FM bands, if the Canadian department of Industry authorizes services using the technology under the Radiocommunication Act. Several hurdles would need to be met first, including waiting for the U.S. FCC to issue final authorization for IBOC. The CRTC is open to the possibility of stations using DRM, but says it needs to test both HD Radio and DRM systems. FM HD-R tests are underway in Toronto now by the CBC, and DRM testing could begin this spring. Read more in an upcoming issue of Radio World. --------------- Original Message ----------------------- From: Harold Richards Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Disappointing News Story Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 18:28:51 -0800 (PST) This is real disappointing news, if Canada ends up going with Ibiquity. [quote] Canada admits its digital radio plan has flopped. Back in the 1990s Canada chose a completely different path toward digital, using the European-born Eureka-147 out-of-band technology. But now it's got a rarely-used system that's not compatible with either U.S. or European digital audio broadcasting - and it says it's ready to accept applications for other uses in 1452-1492 mhz. It's even (big step) open to applications to use the iBiquity-developed HD system. [/quote] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmtech@yahoo.com Sun Dec 24 18:59:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 420 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 02:59:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 02:59:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56812.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.86) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 02:59:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 22246 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Dec 2006 02:59:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FRMofZ0VM1nuj_MDGd8EialqebeacqoGKRyRXy1uH8soHj9ZQ8q5nk_hyFEv2MLIU4XNF9wNt.DTfhw9IXgegnc332LEjtyuTALfBYp1fQFEHc7TPrN4E2QDobl0hWYz0RoyxhMrd1nIR9E4axxwi2vS5uMZtyc1Vjc1Wuv3uU4qr8R6z2pGB9aY8ejb Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56812.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 18:59:08 PST Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 18:59:08 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003101c72776$98e33600$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <262395.21959.qm@web56812.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Alfredo transmitter range- was: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=b8v2tycQAEidl1BHFH0mhJmNDGyfcdAQuhgz54FHv8tWIkU X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Would you happen to have a link to it? ...Harold Scott Todd wrote: Yes there is. I have the oldest version, however, which includes the three band audio processor which is not on the lite unit, nor does it have the improved audio sensitivity nor power output increase. Chris Cuff should have the revisions available. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Richards" To: Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 8:27 PM Subject: Re: Alfredo transmitter range- was: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio that Sucks and those that don't > Is there a schematic on this unit? > > ...Harold > > Scott Todd wrote: > It may also need some resistors changed to increase the sensitivity of the > audio inputs. Be sure to ask about doing that too. > > Scott > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Sun Dec 24 23:26:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32967 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 07:26:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 07:26:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.246) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 07:26:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2006 07:26:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2006 07:26:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 07:26:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <010a01c727c9$d7491830$81fbeb04@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.52.190 From: "Nicholas" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=6rSypsOZ6kioi8-bPY5QEN47WMFQ3IhtLbLS2hMhuwVzO_xIqA X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Can anybody confirm the US model will get C-QUAM? If so, I am gonna go buy=20 > one Tuesday Morning! >=20 > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical=20 > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn The reciever I have is the US version if I had a stereo patch cable I could make a recording to prove it From jjlehmann@comcast.net Mon Dec 25 07:29:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92113 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 15:26:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 15:26:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc14.comcast.net) (216.148.227.154) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 15:26:43 -0000 Received: from dhpp0db1 (c-24-218-84-51.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.218.84.51]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20061225151516m1400fef02e>; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 15:15:16 +0000 To: Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 10:15:39 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c72837$895c7a40$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Accnx4Ged1zfUVRfQ1CyitdDRm250gAb0V/Q In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 216.148.227.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394; y=LyAo24MYrUrAJqNd9Gd0qNqQYWDQJQsLJrNhCRzjR8M X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn > Turns out one of the HD Radio recievers sold at Radio Shack happens to > be able to recieve C-QUAM analog AM stereo as well as HD Radio right > out of the box! It is the Accurian reciever sold at Radio Shack with > the model number 12-1686. It does act a little strange as it switches > to stereo though some sort of DSP will kick in giving a hollow sound > for a few seconds then the audio will blend to stereo. As I type this > I am listening to CKMX 1060 from Calgary in full stereo using this > particular reciever. Hmm, I just checked the Sangean HDT-1 that I got for Christmas, and listening to 740 WJIB, it really sounds like it is stereo!!!! This is amazing! Possibly 3 (if the Sangean HDR-1 is also) new AM Stereo receivers now for sale! Here's a little piece of audio recorded from WJIB just now. The signal is kind of wobbleing in and out, but what do you all think?! http://home.comcast.net/~jjlehmann/WJIB.mp3 Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From jjlehmann@comcast.net Mon Dec 25 08:46:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70050 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 16:46:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 16:46:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc15.comcast.net) (216.148.227.155) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 16:46:47 -0000 Received: from dhpp0db1 (c-24-218-84-51.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.218.84.51]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc15) with SMTP id <20061225162126m1500qcdmne>; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 16:21:26 +0000 To: Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 11:21:49 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c72840$c7b3dd20$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Accnx4Ged1zfUVRfQ1CyitdDRm250gAb0V/QAAJi6cA= In-Reply-To: <000001c72837$895c7a40$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 216.148.227.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394; y=Epg5FtuJiIkDyXD4M6z-bdQq0EcjCyE8YjkDIjyn2Ww X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn I dusted off the Alfredo Lite to do some more testing. For some reason the channels are reversed, and I had trouble with audio levels, but I think you'll get the idea. It's been a long time since I've used this. I used the Guess Who's "These Eyes," for a song with good separation. http://home.comcast.net/~jjlehmann/HDT1-AMStereo.mp3 From searching google, I can find no information about these receivers having AM Stereo. Under the cover of the HDT-1, there really isn't much, so I guess its mostly software driven. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Dec 25 08:56:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82034 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 16:56:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 16:56:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 16:56:53 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.110.111.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.110.111] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Gyt3H-0005r3-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 11:51:51 -0500 Message-ID: <002f01c72844$f9a6bdd0$6f6e5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <000001c72837$895c7a40$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 11:51:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=qicW7L0v5bUVUeRXyXVflQZmW6jjdD2ZQVS_xOGcOLSllNG9EEsIgdNQskb4Fw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeff Lehmann wrote: > This is amazing! Possibly 3 (if the Sangean HDR-1 is also) new AM Stereo receivers now for sale! Perhaps the HD-Radio disaster on AM will accidentally open a door for C-QUAM to come back into fashion. > > Here's a little piece of audio recorded from WJIB just now. The signal is kind of wobbleing in and out, but what do you all think?! Lots of Platform Motion but definitely in Stereo. I am NOT a die-hard anti-HD-Radio guy like some are on the forum. I think HD-Radio is a kewl idea on FM. The subchannels are pretty neat. The AM just really isn't compatible with legacy analog radios and the digital audio sounds like a BAD Real Audio feed. (To be fair, I am sure many of the problems I have personally hear on AM HD-Radio were caused by poor installation and set-up of the HD-Radio equipment at the station, just like most of C-QUAM's problems were caused by poor engineering. Perhaps AM engineers should pay a visit to WOR's engineering department BEFORE they order and install HD-Radio.) Yup, I am going to Rat Shack and get me a HD-Radio. (That is also becoming a strange thing....radios at Radio Shack, what an idea!) Merry Christmas, Y'all Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 25 09:17:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66588 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 17:17:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 17:17:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 17:17:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 25209 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Dec 2006 17:05:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MiwBA5UVM1mAMGBkJGWH9ekDL1v7l6VcvahzdL0SwSXp7QAZGzspxBQYRaNwF0Zmae_6ENoMXuhKRKAC2pvaRelIXAokHrQLqgSXzRujIY8bz0r1SsLin3bPyLr6AhWWjJZqRyPP Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 09:05:55 PST Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 09:05:55 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000001c72837$895c7a40$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <731420.24922.qm@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=ABXu36S406AGJv8wisc3Xy1ZPCxZLp_d57Rnqy5WcGTBz3BiiFzo X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Haha I bet yall are hearing the IBOC AM stereo, IBOC is capable of stereo you know. Unless it has some sort of indicator to let you know when it switches from analog to digital I think it would be safe to say it was digital AM and not CQUAM. Someone needs to confirm this before everyone goes out and buys an IBOC POS. --- Jeff Lehmann wrote: > > Turns out one of the HD Radio recievers sold at > Radio Shack happens to > > be able to recieve C-QUAM analog AM stereo as well > as HD Radio right > > out of the box! It is the Accurian reciever sold > at Radio Shack with > > the model number 12-1686. It does act a little > strange as it switches > > to stereo though some sort of DSP will kick in > giving a hollow sound > > for a few seconds then the audio will blend to > stereo. As I type this > > I am listening to CKMX 1060 from Calgary in full > stereo using this > > particular reciever. > > Hmm, I just checked the Sangean HDT-1 that I got for > Christmas, and > listening to 740 WJIB, it really sounds like it is > stereo!!!! > > This is amazing! Possibly 3 (if the Sangean HDR-1 is > also) new AM Stereo > receivers now for sale! > > Here's a little piece of audio recorded from WJIB > just now. The signal is > kind of wobbleing in and out, but what do you all > think?! > > http://home.comcast.net/~jjlehmann/WJIB.mp3 > > Jeff Lehmann > Hanson, MA > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 25 09:27:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67442 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 17:27:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 17:27:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.30) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 17:26:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 52075 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Dec 2006 17:14:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: NzoEY.wVM1lZyEMeyYRdTxi2S_HnUI8QbLWnLB8fCSKfYOx0Wu4jxfomqTXUPEnq1rEjY0axzRMx97sAPfomupBtnpMkXSeFeUMjD02lwYFmMBGGt_TrwYHKqrxjtSSTdX10DcTj Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 09:14:22 PST Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 09:14:22 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002f01c72844$f9a6bdd0$6f6e5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <648895.50492.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=ftevQivS6xLlEBgpFP4yvz6Du56EbDwWgSWP0C7CyjlSzrjjoUi8 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke One thing I don't understand about you guys is why yall listen to radio on a radio, why not a full blown hi-fidelity stereo system component? I won't be satisfied till the best technology is in that. Even if I wanted an IBOC capable radio it wouldnt be in a table radio whose speakers aren't at least 8 feet apart to produce the ideal stereo image. Thats why to me jamboxes never made sense. Why place two speakers in something that is spaced so few apart? Theres not stereo seperation unless plan to set the thing up and lay with you head up between those speakers. That would look stupid anyway. Unless that thing has a digital/analog indicator i'd be willing to say it was that digital am stereo IBOC stuff. Now if in fact it did exhibit platform motion that i'd say CQUAM since platform motion is well documented in CQUAM research. I'm just not sold on the IBOC guys. That thing at Radio Shack, the Accurian looks like a cheap plastic piece of you know what. I am willing to be the speakers and amp in it are cheap too. You could get more for your money in a cheapo receiver than that thing. $100 max is what I am willing to pay for a silly table radio. Any more than that is nonsense. My Tivoli table radio is better than that thing. It is made with real wood and heavy components compared to the rat shack radio. When I bought mine they were selling for $99. They are now $119 but still that would be a much better deal than the rat shack iboc crap. Just my observation. Someone do some research and find out if in fact that is real CQUAM or just crapped up IBOC AM stereo. -Kevin --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Jeff Lehmann wrote: > > This is amazing! Possibly 3 (if the Sangean HDR-1 > is also) new AM Stereo receivers now for sale! > > Perhaps the HD-Radio disaster on AM will > accidentally open a door for C-QUAM to come back > into fashion. > > > > Here's a little piece of audio recorded from WJIB > just now. The signal is kind of wobbleing in and > out, but what do you all think?! > > Lots of Platform Motion but definitely in Stereo. > > I am NOT a die-hard anti-HD-Radio guy like some are > on the forum. I think HD-Radio is a kewl idea on FM. > The subchannels are pretty neat. The AM just really > isn't compatible with legacy analog radios and the > digital audio sounds like a BAD Real Audio feed. (To > be fair, I am sure many of the problems I have > personally hear on AM HD-Radio were caused by poor > installation and set-up of the HD-Radio equipment at > the station, just like most of C-QUAM's problems > were caused by poor engineering. Perhaps AM > engineers should pay a visit to WOR's engineering > department BEFORE they order and install HD-Radio.) > > Yup, I am going to Rat Shack and get me a HD-Radio. > (That is also becoming a strange thing....radios at > Radio Shack, what an idea!) > > Merry Christmas, Y'all > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in > frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 25 09:28:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37028 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 17:26:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 17:26:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52214.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.137) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 17:26:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 27265 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Dec 2006 17:26:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: aoBDTlYVM1lYjb.YionpsgVhJV4QN8J67p1DFW_Y5mBvkGkgpElv7wAoSIb8zeJQ6g-- Received: from [12.76.217.67] by web52214.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 09:26:42 PST Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 09:26:42 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <731420.24922.qm@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <337981.26744.qm@web52214.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=c3Gkc4ylaDQ_SHkEW3lmL2yjXp-T8fptIxSzW8mDvyA X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > Haha I bet yall are hearing the IBOC AM stereo, IBOC > is capable of stereo you know. No. There is no such thing. IBOC has to be transmitted by an IBOC exciter, and an Alfredo Lite is NOT IBOC. > Unless it has some > sort of indicator to let you know when it switches > from analog to digital I think it would be safe to > say > it was digital AM and not CQUAM. It does and you are incorrect. >Someone needs to > confirm this before everyone goes out and buys an > IBOC POS. I have the Radio Shack. The analog part is a lot better than the POS stuff you normally find in stores. Powell NNNN! From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Dec 25 09:44:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37243 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 17:43:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 17:43:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 17:43:44 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.110.111.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.110.111] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Gytcm-0000YF-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 12:28:33 -0500 Message-ID: <005501c7284a$19e30db0$6f6e5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <731420.24922.qm@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 12:28:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=3r2sGA66x_2VfrPse9-_bJfRiBwextP5yehDh5uLpSWM8OG50D3cVifBYU74iQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: > Haha I bet yall are hearing the IBOC AM stereo, The Alfredo and Alfredo Lite transmitters will NOT broadcast in HD-Radio. > >Unless it has some sort of indicator to let you know when it switches from >analog to digital I think it would be safe to say it was digital AM and not >CQUAM. Even on AM, HD-Radio is 100% noise free. It sounds just like a Real Audio feed on a Dial-Up connection. No noise and grating highs. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 25 09:51:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17682 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 17:51:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 17:51:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52208.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.131) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 17:51:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 71454 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Dec 2006 17:51:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20061225175131.71452.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ixhRAsQVM1kjVb7jng3i4cAXEgdjwiOJWJefv3G9aWmyD9OewmUojV0oAmXDQiIwQZT_31xwJidT.FOMU4jjMIKDQjr12LDDQ9iafRavyHAwNnRTRQdeXcanDcupIVaVEhhw8fPRswiRFe8- Received: from [12.76.217.67] by web52208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 09:51:30 PST Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 09:51:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <648895.50492.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=MBZTWDrJ1xqcJ17VRXcCtfYTb4gAQ16mzMM2_wDt310 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > One thing I don't understand about you guys is why > yall listen to radio on a radio, why not a full > blown > hi-fidelity stereo system component? Well the AM sections on most of these are not POS but ultra super POS. Now my 60's Fisher console has a remarkable AM in addition to a good FM. Speakers are close but you CAN turn the off and use others. Unfortuanately it weighs probably 300 to 400 pounds. > I won't be > satisfied till the best technology is in that. Sangean makes a HD tuner AND receiver. > Even > if I wanted an IBOC capable radio it wouldnt be in a > table radio whose speakers aren't at least 8 feet > apart to produce the ideal stereo image. > Thats why to me jamboxes never made sense. Jamboxes were made to be portable. You can't carry a component stereo out with you everywhere. > Why place two speakers > in something that is spaced so few apart? Theres > not stereo seperation unless plan to set the thing >up and lay with you head up between those speakers. This is not true. I have a small ancient AM-FM Sony that's small. It has the speakers about 8 to 9 inches apart. When you switch it into stereo you can tell a big difference. > That > would look stupid anyway. Use headphones. Unless that thing has a > digital/analog indicator i'd be willing to say it > was > that digital am stereo IBOC stuff. No as I said in a previous post. IBOC is digital, but it's not AM stereo as in CQUAM, though there's QUAM in the coding. CQUAM and IBOC are totally different things. It wouldn't be hard to add CQUAM to the module that LG uses. Now if in fact > it > did exhibit platform motion that i'd say CQUAM since > platform motion is well documented in CQUAM > research. There's NO platform motion on IBOC even with WLAC [1510 ] decoding on skywave. > I'm just not sold on the IBOC guys. No, you are just totally anti-digital. > That thing at > Radio Shack, the Accurian looks like a cheap plastic > piece of you know what. Styling could have been better. >I am willing to be the > speakers and amp in it are cheap too. Speakers could be better, but the amp is good. I listened on headphones. You could get > more for your money in a cheapo receiver than that > thing. > $100 max is what I am willing to pay for a > silly table radio. My Zenith High Fidelity in the late 50's to early 60's probably cost (with money converted to today's dollars) quite a good bit more than that. Any more than that is nonsense. You are being cheap. > My Tivoli table radio is better than that thing. It > is made with real wood and heavy components compared > to the rat shack radio. I have one, and am listening to it now. It's not bad, but the RS HD radio blows it away on AM, though the Model 1 has wider response on AM. When I bought mine they > were > selling for $99. They are now $119 but still that > would be a much better deal than the rat shack iboc > crap. Just my observation. Someone do some > research > and find out if in fact that is real CQUAM or just > crapped up IBOC AM stereo. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ As I said EARLIER there is no such thing. I got my Model 1 at a Thrift Store....ah yes, I paid $5.00 for it. Now I did pay full price for the Tivoli Pal. The AM on it is deaf. That's why I have a RS loop with it in the bathroom! It won't receive WKDK at 12 miles without it. Powell NNNN! From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 25 10:25:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 344 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 18:24:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 18:24:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 18:24:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 48848 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Dec 2006 18:22:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Ba5NYAYVM1lGEg8uytZp7TCg4GLOLsQClrJhuxRs4B6ws5mpAsZs8cLFffiMcl1ageS67g7pdE3nsrCQWgsQH8IfPg0JZ3TzuMDpJqqi9o6ln5QXFFqYaOZ0BUimP5YZttnfws4xElY- Received: from [72.240.139.231] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 10:22:53 PST Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 10:22:53 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <45165.48737.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re:AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=h0reEpwFHeErBoe9H15a0AHI-hOSpf9CqOyNLA6XLPDQBqpsCd3rau0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio (Saint) Nicholas wrote: "turns out one of the HD Radio recievers sold at Radio Shack happens to be able to recieve C-QUAM analog AM stereo as well as HD Radio right out of the box! It is the Accurian reciever sold at Radio Shack with the model number 12-1686." IF, and that's a big IF, this is really true, and Jolly Old Saint Nicholas isn't playing a Christmas trick on us, this would be "da bomb". It only makes sense that if these are DSP radios and they used the circuitry from the Visteon car radio that does both stereo modes that it could receive CQuam with a little bit O'software, then I would be very thrilled, and this would be a great Christmas present! Merry Christmas to all, and to all, a good night (he says while listening to stereo music over AM Stereo 630 CFCO on an 80's vintage Sony AM stereo home receiver). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 25 11:43:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64892 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 19:43:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 19:43:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.32) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 19:43:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 74384 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Dec 2006 19:43:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20061225194307.74382.qmail@web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: OigowMgVM1mduiE1ynwE4rpg0_ZtgLbcsvs8ZHj3VUOSAHJ6fXTB6rO7ekrogXMsqWSi0t03zz73554Xb3qlx2CzZhDHx0mgpCKpuWo5S5ayW44uRhFKhreb2Qx_Tdq.bI01KqqmlDLum43VzV0of2_pxuhsRlY7xMPQpqYnECeu3JFUP.NsGw-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 11:43:06 PST Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 11:43:06 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <005501c7284a$19e30db0$6f6e5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=oVwlNFGm6zJeAm4wBICg0cF_y9CVjY_BC9ewCdx98hpy3kivpzt- X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Yall have me wrong, im talking about the reception, im not talking about a transmitter. I was saying unless the radio has an indicator indicating whether or not it is receiving digital or if it is an analog transmission. If it doesn't have an indicator then how will you know if its IBOC stereo or CQUAM stereo? Most of those IBOC capable radios automatically switch to the digital signal if you are in range. I'm saying how do you know that it is in fact a CQUAM stereo transmission? Does anyone know that for sure? --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Kevin Bell wrote: > > Haha I bet yall are hearing the IBOC AM stereo, > > The Alfredo and Alfredo Lite transmitters will NOT > broadcast in HD-Radio. > > > >Unless it has some sort of indicator to let you > know when it switches from > >analog to digital I think it would be safe to say > it was digital AM and not > >CQUAM. > > Even on AM, HD-Radio is 100% noise free. It sounds > just like a Real Audio > feed on a Dial-Up connection. No noise and grating > highs. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 25 11:54:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7683 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 19:53:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 19:53:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.29) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 19:53:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 47629 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Dec 2006 19:40:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 9W1rFpQVM1m4mVzM90AwHakw84jqzXU21nxkpIFlqpPBSsr5DmYM_C4WSHnSlHRnf_Ztlt0iV4vb0kFI93K4SVq8geDLrXzN5lTkyT1sTqMUZUgeo8QhxQtDEW4bfFuswEXQOTISc7gD.5nspM21qk.zYkvV8PWeRPfAXqSXz2E58WK8t.nAew-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 11:40:24 PST Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 11:40:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <337981.26744.qm@web52214.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <429121.46457.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=aCAsIThNXtT2piHcnGAgjjuElil2QcT6jxfSb-y1Igc5fP3Z21Ay X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Well according to what I have read in several radio publications IBOC is capable of AM stereo transmissions that are IBOC only and not CQUAM. --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Kevin Bell wrote: > > > Haha I bet yall are hearing the IBOC AM stereo, > IBOC > > is capable of stereo you know. > > > No. There is no such thing. IBOC has to be > transmitted > by an IBOC exciter, and an Alfredo Lite is NOT IBOC. > > > > > Unless it has some > > sort of indicator to let you know when it switches > > from analog to digital I think it would be safe to > > say > > it was digital AM and not CQUAM. > > > It does and you are incorrect. > > > >Someone needs to > > confirm this before everyone goes out and buys an > > IBOC POS. > > I have the Radio Shack. The analog part is a lot > better than the POS stuff you normally find in > stores. > > > > Powell > > > > > > > NNNN! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 25 12:04:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69414 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 20:04:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 20:04:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.40) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 20:04:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 70687 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Dec 2006 20:03:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: DPhg89gVM1kzW0EBRIaJf9Z0jvFYvrZ.qATN6wEJkOBmDjdxJvweuhOdKJ1s6Es2VM.PXxHPPEwyM47h9uVQdoYlpcKxnUOZP9AzMc0bYjJoG6limbgQjhVqK0CJaiLo8WrAH11d Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 12:03:45 PST Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 12:03:45 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20061225175131.71452.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <762342.68881.qm@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=V3xgSioSFVY3iD_YjuKpKjT8QaVMWwqQFuPGhIq_n4ENZx6aGPjh X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke If I were anti digital I would not own a single CD, I own way over a thousand. I do not like overly compressed digital as are MP3's. Yes I know they can be recorded higher but not as high a bit rate as a CD and if that were possible then it wouldn't be an MP3, it would in fact be a CD. From everything I have read IBOC is trash. Some may like it but I think those people can't hear very well if what is said about it is true. When I asked about the amp I meant what will the Accurian put out? If it isn't 100 watts 20-20khz with at least o.o8% THD I don't want it. Headphones don't really require that much amplification power and I never liked listening in headphones. Can we say "middle of the head syndrome"? Besides all headphones are annoying as hell after so long and they make your ears sweat. I'd much rather sit down in an easy chair between two large well designed tower speakers with a maximum of 12" woofer. I never liked woofers any larger than that, way too boomy and fake. Actually an 8-10 inch system is ideal. My towers have 12 inch ones but they aren't overly boomy which is good. Anyway I am sure the radio is nice for someone who likes that, i'm just more about a large stereo system than a table radio. I only listen to a table radio at my desk. In fact sometimes I just listen to the little handheld transistor at the desk because too much sound is annoying when i'm trying to work. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your ideas and comments, we just agree to disagree on a few things. Hell that makes us Americans! I actually enjoy digital when it comes to CD's and on a good setup they can sound better than most things. I do think that they tend to overemphasize the treble and bass on CD's. Some are overly bright. I just turn down the treble knob on the receiver. For me I think some of the best recordings though were on reel to reel tape with good maxell tape and the treble knob turned slighly down just a tinge to suppress tape hiss. That way tapes sounded pretty good. I tell ya what I really dont like about MP3's and downloads though if you really want to know. When you download an MP3 and lets say you do it legally, pay for it, the whole nine yards. That file is what you have. If it becomes corrupted you no longer have it. You also can't do much with it. No album artwork, nothing. You are purchasing a low-fi file in comparison to a CD and you really get nothing. Play that file over a good system with decent amplification and you'll start to hear the highs get splatterd and all sorts of distortion. I would be all for digital IF it were designed from the ground up with hi-fidelity in mind. Let's not fool ourselves gentleman. Do we really want to go backwards in time in terms of sound quality or do we want to move forward? Perhaps IBOC will one day be a high fidelity medium but as of yet it's mediocre. The broadcasters I know and talk with say they will not install that equipment in their station unless made to by the FCC. Personally I don't know whats happened to this forum. It's turning into a pro IBOC forum instead of CQUAM AM Stereo. --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Kevin Bell wrote: > > > One thing I don't understand about you guys is why > > yall listen to radio on a radio, why not a full > > blown > > hi-fidelity stereo system component? > > > Well the AM sections on most of these are not POS > but > ultra super POS. Now my 60's Fisher console has a > remarkable AM in addition to a good FM. Speakers are > close but you CAN turn the off and use others. > Unfortuanately it weighs probably 300 to 400 > pounds. > > > I won't be > > satisfied till the best technology is in that. > > Sangean makes a HD tuner AND receiver. > > > Even > > if I wanted an IBOC capable radio it wouldnt be in > a > > table radio whose speakers aren't at least 8 feet > > apart to produce the ideal stereo image. > > > Thats why to me jamboxes never made sense. > > Jamboxes were made to be portable. You can't carry a > component stereo out with you everywhere. > > > > Why place two speakers > > in something that is spaced so few apart? Theres > > not stereo seperation unless plan to set the thing > >up and lay with you head up between those speakers. > > > > This is not true. I have a small ancient AM-FM Sony > that's small. It has the speakers about 8 to 9 > inches > apart. When you switch it into stereo you can tell a > big difference. > > > That > > would look stupid anyway. > > Use headphones. > > Unless that thing has a > > digital/analog indicator i'd be willing to say it > > was > > that digital am stereo IBOC stuff. > > > No as I said in a previous post. IBOC is digital, > but > it's not AM stereo as in CQUAM, though there's QUAM > in > the coding. CQUAM and IBOC are totally different > things. It wouldn't be hard to add CQUAM to the > module > that LG uses. > > Now if in fact > > it > > did exhibit platform motion that i'd say CQUAM > since > > platform motion is well documented in CQUAM > > research. > > > There's NO platform motion on IBOC even with WLAC > [1510 ] decoding on skywave. > > > > I'm just not sold on the IBOC guys. > > > No, you are just totally anti-digital. > > > > That thing at > > Radio Shack, the Accurian looks like a cheap > plastic > > piece of you know what. > > Styling could have been better. > > >I am willing to be the > > speakers and amp in it are cheap too. > > Speakers could be better, but the amp is good. I > listened on headphones. > > You could get > > more for your money in a cheapo receiver than that > > thing. > > > > $100 max is what I am willing to pay for a > > silly table radio. > > My Zenith High Fidelity in the late 50's to early > 60's > probably cost (with money converted to today's > dollars) quite a good bit more than that. > > Any more than that is nonsense. > > You are being cheap. > > > My Tivoli table radio is better than that thing. > It > > is made with real wood and heavy components > compared > > to the rat shack radio. > > I have one, and am listening to it now. It's not > bad, > but the RS HD radio blows it away on AM, though the > Model 1 has wider response on AM. > > > When I bought mine they > > were > > selling for $99. They are now $119 but still that > > would be a much better deal than the rat shack > iboc > > crap. Just my observation. Someone do some > > research > > and find out if in fact that is real CQUAM or just > > crapped up IBOC AM stereo. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > As I said EARLIER there is no such thing. > > I got my Model 1 at a Thrift Store....ah yes, I paid > $5.00 for it. Now I did pay full price for the > Tivoli > Pal. The AM on it is deaf. That's why I have a RS > loop > with it in the bathroom! It won't receive WKDK at 12 > miles without it. > > > Powell > > > > NNNN! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Dec 25 12:05:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78478 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 20:05:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 20:05:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 20:05:51 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.110.111.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.110.111] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Gyw4b-0003hg-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 15:05:26 -0500 Message-ID: <00af01c72860$043804a0$6f6e5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <648895.50492.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 15:05:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=mWUY8_8iYyMQTt5N_uSwYqZFbxbPUk6XDYP7248-PXda90QYxP8_97AqS1snmQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: > One thing I don't understand about you guys is why yall listen to radio on > a radio, why not a full blown hi-fidelity stereo system component? I do my FM listening on what is one of the absolute BEST FM tuners to EVER be built, the Magnum Dynalab FT-101a. For Analog FM, it just doesn't get better than that. The HD Radio does have line level outs that can be patched into a real Pre-Amp and reciever, yet is portable so you get the best of both worlds. > >Unless that thing has a digital/analog indicator i'd be willing to say it >was that digital am stereo IBOC stuff. I have listened to HD-Radio on AM on a car stereo...If you have a listen to both you will see the air checks are clearly Analog. > >Now if in fact it did exhibit platform motion that i'd say CQUAM since >platform motion is well documented in CQUAM research. Listen to the aircheck that was posted and you will hear the platform motion yourself. > > I'm just not sold on the IBOC guys. You are just anti-HD no matter what. Would I pay for an HD-Radio? Nah, I would spend the money on XM. Will I pay for an HD Radio with good quality C-QUAM? Damn rite I will! To me the HD Radio is a bonus. I want a good C-QUAM radio for under a Grand. > > My Tivoli table radio is better than that thing. It is made with real > wood and heavy components compared to the rat shack radio. Open the cover and peek inside of that Trivoli. I think you will be saddened. > >Someone do some research and find out if in fact that is real CQUAM or just >crapped up IBOC AM stereo. Listen to the aircheck and you will see it is real C-QUAM. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Dec 25 12:14:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78820 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 20:14:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 20:14:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 20:14:15 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.110.111.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.110.111] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GywAS-00047D-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 15:11:29 -0500 Message-ID: <00b801c72860$dca4fc80$6f6e5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <20061225194307.74382.qmail@web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 15:11:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=MQx-1Y5FZFYv7hMxTqG8HAgVvv0LVBEHe-CWoacGHLa9Z7qviFLSRi9UIkkqmw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: >I'm saying how do you know that it is in fact a CQUAM stereo transmission? >Does anyone know that for sure? I have been nice but it didn't sink in so.... If you are tuned to an Alfredo Lite C-QUAM transmitter, and you hear Stereo so THINK you are listening to HD-Radio, you would have to be a complete dumbass. I can't make it plainer than that. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 25 12:24:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76829 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 20:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 20:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.34) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 20:24:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 30358 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Dec 2006 20:22:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20061225202244.30356.qmail@web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: nhf7LOoVM1lYBW5HbxV9yF3jvXtr3_gTf7D8splY1IRRB34_IydYgBbUB6tkoZeoI8_KKcuWourMWfqzMafQyvluJHKA0jC9KtyfSoELGAw8KffIA3O9ydQ2NRUcBHeP.JXiCBzi Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 12:22:44 PST Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 12:22:44 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00af01c72860$043804a0$6f6e5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=jU6f3fLQhQquGvPu7YmKJ3QGCBXJoJbnm0YMaC-nznaEA0Qywx92 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Ok then answer me one thing. Why the hell do they fool with HD if they broadcast in CQUAM? I mean I thought their goal was HD. I wonder why the radios are including CQUAM. There has to be a reason. Also what is the feasibility of an AM Station broadcasting AM Mono, AM CQUAM Stereo, and AM IBOC Stereo all at the same time or is it possible? In other words could you have all options? Perhaps you wanted to switch to mono because of a poor signal and you wanted less trash in it. When it comes to CQUAM though you gotta wonder why they went with it if platform motion is such a bad problem. Where I live I can only get AM CQUAM stereo stations from DX so I get tons of platform motion. Perhaps there would be less platform motion if I were closer. It seems as thuogh they could or would have done better with the Kahn ISB. From all that i've read it doesn't suffer from platform motion. In all honesty though if all you do is listen to the radio on portables that have only inches between each speaker for seperation then some AM Mono stations are quite sufficient. Note I said some. Not all of them sound good, some AM mono stations are so dull and lifeless that they arent worth listening to. I actually have another table radio here. It's an old radio shack MTA-12 which was a clone of a radio Sony made. As far as AM and FM there isnt much difference in fidelity. That isn't to say it's bad, it's quite sufficient. I'm just saying the AM sounds just as good as the FM with just the single mono speaker sound. I think the radio is at least 20 years old. It's maybe from the 80s. I picked it up for nearly nothing but it's decent just to listen to radio while working. I love my Tivoli but i'll say this about the old radio shack. I like the sound of the AM Section on it better for one reason. The Tivoli overemphasizes the bass. Thats the one thing I hate about the Tivoli. The old radio shack radio has a tone control and I have it set dead center between high and low and it sounds great. Well for AM mono it does. Someone said that AM Stereo wasn't possible on IBOC but from what I read it is possible on AM IBOC. There is one thing that people get wrong. HD Doesnt stand for High Definition, it stans for Hybrid Digital. The reason the quality is so low is there is no competition, Ibiquity has the contract on the whole ball of cotton. If there were other competitors and systems things would improve. Competition is a good thing for the consumer. If they have no competion there is no drive to be improve what they have. Besides stations that switch to IBOC have to pay royalties to Ibiquity! --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Kevin Bell wrote: > > One thing I don't understand about you guys is why > yall listen to radio on > > a radio, why not a full blown hi-fidelity stereo > system component? > > I do my FM listening on what is one of the absolute > BEST FM tuners to EVER > be built, the Magnum Dynalab FT-101a. For Analog FM, > it just doesn't get > better than that. The HD Radio does have line level > outs that can be patched > into a real Pre-Amp and reciever, yet is portable so > you get the best of > both worlds. > > > >Unless that thing has a digital/analog indicator > i'd be willing to say it > >was that digital am stereo IBOC stuff. > > I have listened to HD-Radio on AM on a car > stereo...If you have a listen to > both you will see the air checks are clearly Analog. > > > >Now if in fact it did exhibit platform motion that > i'd say CQUAM since > >platform motion is well documented in CQUAM > research. > > Listen to the aircheck that was posted and you will > hear the platform motion > yourself. > > > > I'm just not sold on the IBOC guys. > > You are just anti-HD no matter what. Would I pay for > an HD-Radio? Nah, I > would spend the money on XM. Will I pay for an HD > Radio with good quality > C-QUAM? Damn rite I will! To me the HD Radio is a > bonus. I want a good > C-QUAM radio for under a Grand. > > > > My Tivoli table radio is better than that thing. > It is made with real > > wood and heavy components compared to the rat > shack radio. > > Open the cover and peek inside of that Trivoli. I > think you will be > saddened. > > > >Someone do some research and find out if in fact > that is real CQUAM or just > >crapped up IBOC AM stereo. > > Listen to the aircheck and you will see it is real > C-QUAM. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Dec 25 12:29:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99075 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 20:29:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 20:29:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 20:29:16 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.110.111.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.110.111] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GywF6-0004PH-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 15:16:17 -0500 Message-ID: <00bd01c72861$88380560$6f6e5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <429121.46457.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 15:16:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=ZSNYjoT2HL4xv-fDu4AM7Q64ZhTLgu1Xo_k3C8YC6SonDhRMoGPmRq7KhCGp_g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: > Well according to what I have read in several radio publications IBOC is > capable of AM stereo transmissions that are IBOC only and not CQUAM. C-QUAM is ANALOG AM Stereo. Some stations fire a carrier but the audio is in Mono. HD-Radio is DIGITAL AM Stereo, depending on the mode that station is broadcasting in. You will NEVER hear static, platform motion, background noise, or otherstations on a HD-Radio broadcast. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jjlehmann@comcast.net Mon Dec 25 12:33:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88953 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 20:33:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 20:33:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc14.comcast.net) (216.148.227.154) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 20:33:38 -0000 Received: from dhpp0db1 (c-24-218-84-51.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.218.84.51]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20061225201938m1400fc76pe>; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 20:19:38 +0000 To: Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 15:20:01 -0500 Message-ID: <002c01c72862$0e4e3160$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AccoSKLz3xpPed1ZRQK+m1yz2kz45QAGMJgA In-Reply-To: <731420.24922.qm@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 216.148.227.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394; y=YN24k_TswcGxa9QH9izLmA4dHAA7wvD23GVHKhSnEcM X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn > Haha I bet yall are hearing the IBOC AM stereo, IBOC > is capable of stereo you know. Unless it has some > sort of indicator to let you know when it switches > from analog to digital I think it would be safe to say > it was digital AM and not CQUAM. Someone needs to > confirm this before everyone goes out and buys an IBOC > POS. I can assure you that 740 WJIB is running C-Quam, and not IBOC, as I can receive it on my TM-152 in stereo, plus WJIB is a small, independent station that will probably never go IBOC. My Alfredo Lite certainly isn't running IBOC either. If I go to a station such as WBZ that is running IBOC, it displays the call letters on the screen, as well as some other text like "Newsradio 1030, Traffic on the 3s" etc. I realize that this is very hard to believe. I was shocked myself. I bought the HDT-1 at You Do It Electronics in Needham, MA. Amazon.com also sells them, as does Universal Radio. http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/spcialty/0149.html It is $199, and you can send in for a $25 rebate from Ibiquity to make it $174. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Dec 25 12:47:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69682 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 20:47:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 20:47:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 20:47:37 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.235.251.146.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.235.251.146] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GywTd-0005Mo-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 15:31:18 -0500 Message-ID: <00ce01c72863$a14a1a50$6f6e5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <762342.68881.qm@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 15:31:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=LyYzT27ugkoUv5eB0BwneGECw9L3xwyNLhvEnkY8DKr9U6EAsGd2VL_CNGvdlQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: >If it isn't 100 watts 20-20khz with at least o.o8% THD I don't want it. I really hate to bust your bubble but the absolute BEST you are gonna do on FM Stereo is about 100Hz-15kHz 1% THD In a Car, you are going to get 100Hz-10Khz and that is if you are under the tower and the FM Blend / High cut filter isn't killing your highs. > >The broadcasters I know and talk with say they will not install that >equipment in their station unless made to by the FCC. For AM broadcasters, I don't blame em. I do NOT like the sound of AM HD-Radio > > Personally I don't know what's happened to this forum. It's turning into > a pro IBOC forum instead of CQUAM AM Stereo. I would think you would be THRILLED that the average "Joe Blow" can walk into Radio Shack and buy a C-QUAM compatible radio for $125 bucks. So What if it also gets HD-Radio? At least you will be able to get better than 5KC audio from Radio Randy again. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Dec 25 12:55:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76973 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 20:55:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 20:55:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 20:55:46 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.235.251.146.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.235.251.146] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Gywod-0006d7-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 15:52:59 -0500 Message-ID: <00e101c72866$a9302b30$6f6e5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <20061225202244.30356.qmail@web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 15:52:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=ZEy3IZ-XlGVeli2EG9iB9XQl176vf8N5qJ1kHYXdXiQNiZdIeLtaUzIFMfdunA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: > Ok then answer me one thing. Why the hell do they fool with HD if they > broadcast in CQUAM? C-QUAM and HD-Radio are 100% incompatible. You cannot broadcast both at the same time PERIOD. > > I mean I thought their goal was HD. I wonder why the radios are > including CQUAM. There has to be a reason. AM Stations such as WLS are in HD-Radio in the Daytime and C-QUAM at night. Why not have a radio that does both? When HD-Radio on AM falls on it's ass, the radio will still be able to get good ol Analog. > > Also what is the feasibility of an AM Station broadcasting AM Mono, AM > CQUAM Stereo, and AM IBOC Stereo all at the same time or is it possible? Sorry, it is impossible to have C-QUAM and HD-Radio on the same signal. > >When it comes to CQUAM though you gotta wonder why they went with it if >platform motion is such a bad problem. To sell more radios? > >It seems as thuogh they could or would have done better with the Kahn ISB. >From all that i've read it doesn't suffer from platform motion. True but Motorola won that war years ago. > > In all honesty though if all you do is listen to the radio on portables > I just told you I listen on a $1000+ FM tuner connected to a real preamp and amp. You call THAT a table radio? > >Someone said that AM Stereo wasn't possible on IBOC but from what I read it >is possible on AM IBOC. OK for that last time.... ANALOG C-QUAM cannot be broadcast on the same signal is HD-Radio PERIOD the ANALOG portion of the HD-Radio signal is limited to Low-Fi MONO. Depending on the mode the broadcaster is using, HD-Radio CAN broadcast in DIGITAL AM Stereo. > > There is one thing that people get wrong. HD Doesnt stand for High > Definition, it stans for Hybrid Digital. The ads that are running all over Orlando say it is "High Def" and "CD Quality". > > The reason the quality is so low is there is no competition, Ibiquity has > the contract on the whole ball of cotton. Kahn has CAM-D. Too bad he made such an ass of himself over the years he isn't being taken serious. > > If there were other competitors and systems things would improve. See http://wrathofkahn.org/ Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 25 13:18:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23996 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 21:18:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 21:18:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.39) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 21:18:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 17338 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Dec 2006 21:06:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: b7DOKjQVM1k6hjAHPHZ0TPQsZIxXhcSeHBgGTBhI4R8wB7d9eBDUXxGGrBJaafJ.MA-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 13:06:54 PST Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 13:06:54 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002c01c72862$0e4e3160$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <438989.11729.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=sbz6OTJWgrh_wH5CpYV71Gwf9_fI8HFjxq0F-8b2R6VCA4NcMaAO X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Well no I didn't mean that necessarily that it's hard to believe. I just wonder why they'd put a CQUAM receiver in an HD radio unless CQUAM and IBOC stereo can both be transmitted at the same time. Still I wonder. I mean why do they put CQUAM on taht and not other AM receivers? I'm glad to see that someone included CQUAM but I just wonder why they did it. --- Jeff Lehmann wrote: > > > Haha I bet yall are hearing the IBOC AM stereo, > IBOC > > is capable of stereo you know. Unless it has some > > sort of indicator to let you know when it switches > > from analog to digital I think it would be safe to > say > > it was digital AM and not CQUAM. Someone needs to > > confirm this before everyone goes out and buys an > IBOC > > POS. > > I can assure you that 740 WJIB is running C-Quam, > and not IBOC, as I can > receive it on my TM-152 in stereo, plus WJIB is a > small, independent station > that will probably never go IBOC. My Alfredo Lite > certainly isn't running > IBOC either. If I go to a station such as WBZ that > is running IBOC, it > displays the call letters on the screen, as well as > some other text like > "Newsradio 1030, Traffic on the 3s" etc. > > I realize that this is very hard to believe. I was > shocked myself. I bought > the HDT-1 at You Do It Electronics in Needham, MA. > Amazon.com also sells > them, as does Universal Radio. > http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/spcialty/0149.html > > > It is $199, and you can send in for a $25 rebate > from Ibiquity to make it > $174. > > Jeff Lehmann > Hanson, MA > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 25 13:22:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31900 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 21:16:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 21:16:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.30) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 21:16:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 10294 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Dec 2006 21:04:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20061225210426.10292.qmail@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: OgGIfzsVM1kJHryDH3qm4meOG49P.fkVGu7VcEmp Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 13:04:25 PST Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 13:04:25 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00bd01c72861$88380560$6f6e5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=C6m-YReoNeHoqMKQQ00ROryzSMBhGDDWarAd5Bi_bYntWHjarLpG X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I know that CQUAM is AM Stereo, I said that. --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Kevin Bell wrote: > > Well according to what I have read in several > radio publications IBOC is > > capable of AM stereo transmissions that are IBOC > only and not CQUAM. > > C-QUAM is ANALOG AM Stereo. Some stations fire a > carrier but the audio is in > Mono. > > HD-Radio is DIGITAL AM Stereo, depending on the mode > that station is > broadcasting in. > > You will NEVER hear static, platform motion, > background noise, or > otherstations on a HD-Radio broadcast. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jjlehmann@comcast.net Mon Dec 25 13:24:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53012 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 21:22:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 21:22:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc11.comcast.net) (216.148.227.151) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 21:22:19 -0000 Received: from dhpp0db1 (c-24-218-84-51.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.218.84.51]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20061225205955m11003t94ve>; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 20:59:56 +0000 To: Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 16:00:18 -0500 Message-ID: <004001c72867$af6cbcb0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AccoZ678n5DZC+jfRFmSDiUIp5Qjpg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 216.148.227.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: More AM Stereo audio from the Sangean HDT-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394; y=AiwqhkIXXkKurRiDxAlLih2HX-rCU00s4lEi0vLgoiY X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's another clip of WJIB recorded off the HDT-1. I think part of the reason for the platform motion is that another station is in there behind JIB (probably WNYH Huntington, NY). This would probably sound better on a day where there isn't as much skywave around. http://home.comcast.net/~jjlehmann/WJIB2.mp3 It does take about 10-15 seconds for the stereo to kick in, and there's no indication on the display that it's picking up stereo (this is also the case on FM), so don't be discouraged if you don't hear stereo as soon as you tune in. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Mon Dec 25 13:26:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62345 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 21:26:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 21:26:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.166) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 21:26:07 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n7.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2006 21:25:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2006 21:25:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2006 21:25:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 21:25:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <438989.11729.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=MUnLkOQ6eNJ9x9IRTNb-fC0yPd-FJ8UJB4VFUte3XggXSKWe X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell wrote: > > Well no I didn't mean that necessarily that it's hard > to believe. I just wonder why they'd put a CQUAM > receiver in an HD radio unless CQUAM and IBOC stereo > can both be transmitted at the same time. Still I > wonder. I mean why do they put CQUAM on taht and not > other AM receivers? I'm glad to see that someone > included CQUAM but I just wonder why they did it. They put CQUAM and HD in the same radio so that you can receive either, depending on what the station is transmitting at the time. In CQUAM, the L-R audio is transmit in quadrature with the main carrier, and phase modulated. In HD, the secondary carriers are transmit through a phase modulated component. Since both systems utilize phase modulation, you cannot transmit both at once. Tom Ray WOR From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 25 13:39:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23124 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 21:39:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 21:39:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 21:39:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 86054 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Dec 2006 21:39:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: i0bh6sMVM1n1LJsKyu3Kt.iUA5_QBslh_KvBd7x77Km_0G3kdGeUHW1sDHam1F.CSa9dILJkUIBXb.BTC.74zCElPDimYVumViNZEk3ndFc4xohwZ3DWHUk9cilZMfc93B2KVq16KPmpF3mweQmDqWZhu0zSG7Q0nasqpVt_OICWUtyegaBT.A-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 13:39:19 PST Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 13:39:19 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00ce01c72863$a14a1a50$6f6e5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <18825.85298.qm@web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=PPaJJr4rsTANnT_pPmsoAavTaPDElj4mDxD_dcweA3zAp2A9C4y- X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I realize that i'm not getting 20-20 on FM stereo. What I am referring to is the amplification section, not the tuner. Someone had mentioned the amplification on the Accurian. I was responding to that. I would tend to think that most FM stations at least do 60hz-15khz. If they didn't you wouldnt be hearing much kick drum or bass. Just plug in an EQ and turn the 62 hz all the way down if you say it doesn't produce any bass that low. If it didn't it wouldn't sound right. I seriously doubt the FM goes to 20 hz though. I'd say most would be 60hz-15khz. If I take my EQ and kill everything below 100 it sounds like the FM has no bass so there definitely is some bass frequencies lower than 100hz being produced. As far as the Accurian yes I agree that it is cool that anyone can get an CQUAM receiver on the market now. I just wish it were in something a little higher in quality....say decent stereo receiver instead of a table radio with cheap speakers and low power amp. Do you know the specs on the Accurian? That is the only way we really can know it's performance. I tried the rat shack site but they don't say too much in the way of specs. --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Kevin Bell wrote: > >If it isn't 100 watts 20-20khz with at least o.o8% > THD I don't want it. > > I really hate to bust your bubble but the absolute > BEST you are gonna do on > FM Stereo is about 100Hz-15kHz 1% THD > > In a Car, you are going to get 100Hz-10Khz and that > is if you are under the > tower and the FM Blend / High cut filter isn't > killing your highs. > > > >The broadcasters I know and talk with say they will > not install that > >equipment in their station unless made to by the > FCC. > > For AM broadcasters, I don't blame em. I do NOT like > the sound of AM > HD-Radio > > > > Personally I don't know what's happened to this > forum. It's turning into > > a pro IBOC forum instead of CQUAM AM Stereo. > > I would think you would be THRILLED that the average > "Joe Blow" can walk > into Radio Shack and buy a C-QUAM compatible radio > for $125 bucks. So What > if it also gets HD-Radio? At least you will be able > to get better than 5KC > audio from Radio Randy again. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 25 13:42:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16781 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 21:42:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 21:42:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.34) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 21:42:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 49121 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Dec 2006 21:42:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: TaMKcNcVM1l5DgH4t4bk6545eymlqGve6Sl0gfConZQLT7legtfg7Kv6HYCOvABnlsIIB5rv4LcEuqELY4Jedzl6RLCcTakDWGDWaC0G5TGc7bCgLL.f._aBaK1KYCtxisGLIcgu Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 13:42:22 PST Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 13:42:22 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00e101c72866$a9302b30$6f6e5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <784009.47662.qm@web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=ucf1omZhkgp6QQR2HaLf4BBkf24Mx0NtTXBn-DwPTszGA4dn3zVe X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke But I never said that CQUAM and HD Stereo could be broadcast together, I asked if it were possible. There is a difference. --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Kevin Bell wrote: > > Ok then answer me one thing. Why the hell do they > fool with HD if they > > broadcast in CQUAM? > > C-QUAM and HD-Radio are 100% incompatible. You > cannot broadcast both at the > same time PERIOD. > > > > I mean I thought their goal was HD. I wonder why > the radios are > > including CQUAM. There has to be a reason. > > AM Stations such as WLS are in HD-Radio in the > Daytime and C-QUAM at night. > Why not have a radio that does both? When HD-Radio > on AM falls on it's ass, > the radio will still be able to get good ol Analog. > > > > Also what is the feasibility of an AM Station > broadcasting AM Mono, AM > > CQUAM Stereo, and AM IBOC Stereo all at the same > time or is it possible? > > Sorry, it is impossible to have C-QUAM and HD-Radio > on the same signal. > > > >When it comes to CQUAM though you gotta wonder why > they went with it if > >platform motion is such a bad problem. > > To sell more radios? > > > >It seems as thuogh they could or would have done > better with the Kahn ISB. > >From all that i've read it doesn't suffer from > platform motion. > > True but Motorola won that war years ago. > > > > In all honesty though if all you do is listen to > the radio on portables > > > > I just told you I listen on a $1000+ FM tuner > connected to a real preamp and > amp. You call THAT a table radio? > > > >Someone said that AM Stereo wasn't possible on IBOC > but from what I read it > >is possible on AM IBOC. > > OK for that last time.... > ANALOG C-QUAM cannot be broadcast on the same signal > is HD-Radio PERIOD > the ANALOG portion of the HD-Radio signal is limited > to Low-Fi MONO. > Depending on the mode the broadcaster is using, > HD-Radio CAN broadcast in > DIGITAL AM Stereo. > > > > There is one thing that people get wrong. HD > Doesnt stand for High > > Definition, it stans for Hybrid Digital. > > The ads that are running all over Orlando say it is > "High Def" and "CD > Quality". > > > > The reason the quality is so low is there is no > competition, Ibiquity has > > the contract on the whole ball of cotton. > > Kahn has CAM-D. Too bad he made such an ass of > himself over the years he > isn't being taken serious. > > > > If there were other competitors and systems > things would improve. > > See http://wrathofkahn.org/ > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mon Dec 25 13:57:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 88264 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 21:57:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 21:57:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 21:57:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2006 21:57:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2006 21:57:00 -0000 Date: 25 Dec 2006 21:56:59 -0000 Message-ID: <1167083819.17347.81370.w104@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /pdf/Alfredo Lite.jpg Uploaded by : ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Description : Schematic of the Alfredo Lite Low Power CQuAM Transmitter by chris cuff You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/pdf/Alfredo%20Lite.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, ICURAPossum_Hunter2 From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 25 13:59:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1032 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 21:58:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 21:58:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.28) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 21:58:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 19260 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Dec 2006 21:48:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20061225214811.19258.qmail@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: p23y2DoVM1kEYsGcV9LAgpCq9teN2EF0UzC58uLejz4QM.dOr_hnilX52iDwTZbr88eWaD4sA5sY4G9BIO6pIf2dUokQtgMjDCWh9ScDXEn1fhu1cInVEUJQV9vH4sFLOCeC_45Y Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 13:48:11 PST Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 13:48:11 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: New Name X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=BeLb2pYNs89AuhaJCSZ4MJieFwowCRkw5m78aNyWCWSFrvfMil6T X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke By the way, I think we should change the name of this forum to IBOC AM because it clearly isn't in support of CQUAM AM Stereo. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 25 14:00:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69414 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 21:58:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 21:58:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.30) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 21:58:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 20105 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Dec 2006 21:47:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: jQVx4bgVM1kiGbrLvmERJLK8ioyGlo.7_z9V1ZQ7iWVeSp2EDsuxM8427jCCblI4hYeEhWnBSsUk4O7CyQvAsnWNsJ9Y487iPdH6xNyN.WmcJIr5fxW0hsB.nHJ7AfpjGSovgymtXHM1C1gV_Sow7KhGHbr_CfkmRECngb2koHvmCLRIo2p2cw-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 13:47:03 PST Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 13:47:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <838703.19452.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=DePfrwzA8AdNgEJjCvWXml3j-adZbPzztcD1bXDOtr6l0gn0-8Aq X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Ok but I still don't understand why they all of a sudden bring back CQUAM on an HD radio. If they are doing that then why have they not included CQUAM standard in all AM's since it was voted in as standard? Thats my point. Why now, why the Accurian table radio. Why not back in 1993 or whenever it was that they finally mandated that CQUAM was the standard. Thats what i'm asking. Most of the people on this forum don't seem to understand what I am asking and are putting things in my mouth I didn't say. I asked if both CQUAM and Stereo HD were possible on the same station. I did not say it WAS possible I asked was it possible. The answer is no. Ok thats fine but don't put words in my mouth I didn't say or try to edit them to make them say what you want it to say. By the way, I wasn't saying you Tom but I think you know that. --- Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell > wrote: > > > > Well no I didn't mean that necessarily that it's > hard > > to believe. I just wonder why they'd put a CQUAM > > receiver in an HD radio unless CQUAM and IBOC > stereo > > can both be transmitted at the same time. Still I > > wonder. I mean why do they put CQUAM on taht and > not > > other AM receivers? I'm glad to see that someone > > included CQUAM but I just wonder why they did it. > > They put CQUAM and HD in the same radio so that you > can receive > either, depending on what the station is > transmitting at the time. > > In CQUAM, the L-R audio is transmit in quadrature > with the main > carrier, and phase modulated. In HD, the secondary > carriers are > transmit through a phase modulated component. Since > both systems > utilize phase modulation, you cannot transmit both > at once. > > Tom Ray > WOR > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 25 14:22:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51460 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 22:22:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 22:22:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.26) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 22:22:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 74793 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Dec 2006 20:24:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: DZlUEYAVM1lZpevF7SEG_FiCMlSLxWoFkBHay0Z9N4gVkJxMFTvyKIZYDXZr5KiNdQ-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 12:24:15 PST Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 12:24:15 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00b801c72860$dca4fc80$6f6e5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <148424.72914.qm@web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=nrhrd6VMIMP8dt9aF-sbmHOCV5jk-Jc-WSYVxft_LhMv5eGHbp_3 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Well whoever started this whole damn argument I thought was listening to an HD station?? I thought that is why they bought an HD radio? --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Kevin Bell wrote: > >I'm saying how do you know that it is in fact a > CQUAM stereo transmission? > >Does anyone know that for sure? > > I have been nice but it didn't sink in so.... > > If you are tuned to an Alfredo Lite C-QUAM > transmitter, and you hear Stereo > so THINK you are listening to HD-Radio, you would > have to be a complete > dumbass. > > I can't make it plainer than that. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 25 14:48:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49647 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 22:47:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 22:47:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.159) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 22:47:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 64229 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Dec 2006 22:47:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Cb6VvlUVM1mfd3NrTNMKYjVaqoyc4Bm3_cix_SjuZIWlIKafHy0OHkhpi0QhFcST.yMg3cw50rNwbwhqGQNknCGeCJvZQs156g_tNYDg11msjTvOQ1N1bjJciZ8oflzaJTMv0tRPSPU- Received: from [72.240.139.231] by web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 14:47:57 PST Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 14:47:57 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <315720.58868.qm@web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re:More AM Stereo audio from the Sangean HDT-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=v8ZyXwSuwbGVTmnQEaAcXEy500QswxwM3L5fmYnsiUHHJKc-nv2AJec X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Wow - Jeff, that is genuine CQuam from WJIB - which HD radio is that? The goofy thing is, that with a DSP, you can write a program to nearly eliminate platform motion, so it's great that they added the Motorola CQuam, but they only needed to take it one more step further to eradicate the platform motion. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From amfmtech@yahoo.com Mon Dec 25 15:13:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26448 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 23:13:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 23:13:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56809.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.83) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 23:13:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 58653 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Dec 2006 23:13:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1mOPVfgVM1mz3tjhwrXj1zSec8qIQ0Id5JT2XKI0BZoB96YKGRryJGplTI_5fXtDpbkbsFmO0B5l6Q2UIa.9Z40UpkTNfbYPrHYI.AE6Avsgga9XkJdU8wpxPg.XrUQy0XVgZv5.CXBgDtY- Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56809.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 15:13:45 PST Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 15:13:45 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00ce01c72863$a14a1a50$6f6e5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <486286.58414.qm@web56809.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=1m5ueIHAxOuffti3hqup8s9LqaYOdvOFF3xy2Uw-bJZ6LIg X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why are you cutting off the bottom end at 100 hz and limiting the top to 15 kHz? Last time I did a proof I had 30 hz to 17 kHz within the 3 dB window and under 1%. I assume you are talking about a cheap FM tuner and not the point of transmission. For what it's worth, I tested several car radios for Storer Broadcasting in the early years. The receivers were mostly good and had decent specs. It was when GM and Ford placed not so good speakers in doors of cars and dashboards did they find that modifications had to be made to the in-dash units to make they sound good. Most could make the high end specs, but the magic number was 225 hz on the low end, and it made it necessary to install artificial bass boost in the amplifiers to overcome speaker inefficiency. ...Harold Possum Hunter wrote: Kevin Bell wrote: >If it isn't 100 watts 20-20khz with at least o.o8% THD I don't want it. I really hate to bust your bubble but the absolute BEST you are gonna do on FM Stereo is about 100Hz-15kHz 1% THD In a Car, you are going to get 100Hz-10Khz and that is if you are under the tower and the FM Blend / High cut filter isn't killing your highs. > >The broadcasters I know and talk with say they will not install that >equipment in their station unless made to by the FCC. For AM broadcasters, I don't blame em. I do NOT like the sound of AM HD-Radio > > Personally I don't know what's happened to this forum. It's turning into > a pro IBOC forum instead of CQUAM AM Stereo. I would think you would be THRILLED that the average "Joe Blow" can walk into Radio Shack and buy a C-QUAM compatible radio for $125 bucks. So What if it also gets HD-Radio? At least you will be able to get better than 5KC audio from Radio Randy again. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmtech@yahoo.com Mon Dec 25 15:19:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12558 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 23:18:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 23:18:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56809.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 23:18:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 59987 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Dec 2006 23:18:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1kTFLm4VM1ls354eS9V0ciQAI1j2CwsXd.MVIUsyrGlcy84ZKviKpldusUz_zGPCWbUYJy4QQ9_sJezDgn9h5GbjqUB5M9RACWwsZrlnOZcuntLqBFxzHczb1cRm7JJSE1.rdhBrz.SSzw0- Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56809.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 15:18:28 PST Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 15:18:28 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1167083819.17347.81370.w104@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <95815.59736.qm@web56809.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=XSpVvQ1TWwo3YSfrF7G9Ap8vRb53oQIowdkHjqZdD4vBOlc X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any chance that this can be rescanned at a higher DPI? None of the values can be read. ...Harold amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /pdf/Alfredo Lite.jpg Uploaded by : ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Description : Schematic of the Alfredo Lite Low Power CQuAM Transmitter by chris cuff You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/pdf/Alfredo%20Lite.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jjlehmann@comcast.net Mon Dec 25 15:50:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77547 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2006 23:48:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2006 23:48:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc13.comcast.net) (216.148.227.153) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2006 23:48:53 -0000 Received: from dhpp0db1 (c-24-218-84-51.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.218.84.51]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20061225231535m1300ip4jce>; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 23:15:35 +0000 To: Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 18:15:49 -0500 Message-ID: <006601c7287a$a2c948d0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Accodrt67IY5RQu7R9OgBEQylHCTHQAAIm9w In-Reply-To: <315720.58868.qm@web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 216.148.227.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re:More AM Stereo audio from the Sangean HDT-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394; y=J3TjRNckrnIRLYV4vp6w9lwWaw8VouSBlEAm65poFq0 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See the title of the post :-) It's the Sangean HDT-1. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA _____ From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John P. Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 5:48 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re:More AM Stereo audio from the Sangean HDT-1 Wow - Jeff, that is genuine CQuam from WJIB - which HD radio is that? The goofy thing is, that with a DSP, you can write a program to nearly eliminate platform motion, so it's great that they added the Motorola CQuam, but they only needed to take it one more step further to eradicate the platform motion. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Dec 25 16:16:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42388 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2006 00:13:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2006 00:13:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2006 00:13:59 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.196.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.196] helo=PossumHunter) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GyztI-00032w-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 19:10:01 -0500 Message-ID: <016901c72882$2f45edc0$6f6e5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <20061225214811.19258.qmail@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 19:09:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Name X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=2Db2UzmivCfmKdugOUh_ikkzYWJRPYmyqTmYai3mP2b9Hy_JWfMuuSURfla2CQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: > By the way, I think we should change the name of this forum to IBOC AM > because it clearly isn't in support of CQUAM AM Stereo. What in HELL is wrong with being exited about the ONLY 2 home radios that recieve C-QUAM priced under $1000 being sold in the US for nearly 20 years? How does THAT make this an IBOC forum? Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Dec 25 16:20:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53959 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2006 00:20:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2006 00:20:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2006 00:20:36 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.196.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.196] helo=PossumHunter) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Gz03L-0003fd-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 19:20:24 -0500 Message-ID: <01ad01c72883$a29b6bf0$6f6e5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <148424.72914.qm@web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 19:20:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=q2-yKewPw76XJKgTchMMy1DpSbyeYbi1lVIEF4O5QZRUcUOPYSVYx_5h9xwGUg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: > Well whoever started this whole damn argument I thought was listening to > an HD station?? Please look at post 24441 YOU wrote and I quote: "Haha I bet yall are hearing the IBOC AM stereo, IBOC is capable of stereo you know.Haha I bet yall are hearing the IBOC AM stereo, IBOC is capable of stereo you know." end quote. > > I thought that is why they bought an HD radio? I am sure they DID buy the HD Radio for the HD. C-QUAM is a nice undocumented feature. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Dec 25 16:26:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74078 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2006 00:19:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2006 00:19:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2006 00:19:31 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.196.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.196] helo=PossumHunter) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Gyzyd-0003NC-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 19:15:33 -0500 Message-ID: <01a801c72882$f44376b0$6f6e5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <838703.19452.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 19:15:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=9ytcjpg8f9oRG0LVk2BQRFhF1hQ2SojnuXscWdmdlBDdBddfnCWpJM1VLzYPQA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: > Ok but I still don't understand why they all of a sudden bring back CQUAM > on an HD radio. Since the DSP is software driven, it does not cost one cent more to include C-QUAM. The reason manufacturers took C-QUAM out of radios is they were too cheap to buy the chip. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Dec 25 16:26:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31337 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2006 00:26:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2006 00:26:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2006 00:26:10 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.196.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.196] helo=PossumHunter) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Gz05E-0003p2-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 19:22:21 -0500 Message-ID: <01b201c72883$e84a2ab0$6f6e5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <95815.59736.qm@web56809.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 19:22:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=ol8EO65cCDzcgSyW8iWiAjOfRFyT9T3i-IiO4sWYUOaucf5s9UCyJMKLOGd8xg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Harold Richards wrote: > Any chance that this can be rescanned at a higher DPI? None of the values > can be read. Sorry I found that on http://part15.us/node/474 I have no original to scan. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Dec 25 16:37:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68237 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2006 00:34:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2006 00:34:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2006 00:34:10 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.196.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.196] helo=PossumHunter) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Gz0Cq-0004Wp-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 19:30:13 -0500 Message-ID: <01b501c72885$01a41380$6f6e5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <95815.59736.qm@web56809.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 19:30:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=MYnVQZGrdkqcwR8FOR9k0Sx7W_Gkt62bcv3gJdP6VP0tQr5QSLNVhwIUzKvDWQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 You can find the Orignal Alfredo here: http://web.archive.org/web/20001212170200/inetarena.com/~alfredot/exciter.html Some of the chips used are no longer in production. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Richards" To: Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 6:18 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum > Any chance that this can be rescanned at a higher DPI? None of the values > can be read. > > ...Harold > > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > Hello, > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum > group. > > File : /pdf/Alfredo Lite.jpg > Uploaded by : ICURAPossum_Hunter2 > > Description : Schematic of the Alfredo Lite Low Power CQuAM Transmitter by > chris cuff > > You can access this file at the URL: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/pdf/Alfredo%20Lite.jpg > > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: > http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files > > Regards, > > ICURAPossum_Hunter2 > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Groups Links > > > From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 25 18:34:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45001 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2006 02:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2006 02:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52207.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.130) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2006 02:34:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 58524 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2006 02:32:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20061226023200.58516.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: S2XLLfEVM1mxQSWaNamiBGomjeRreh4BCBum1IBccBWHJMWSmwUevQobQO9M2STGeIugnmvKS.TFukn.WV3zmgCuK9bSoD5pU3qKeSkcpXaOkpZIiFteAc_7cMtUCnmj9aEP2WBAMiqFMQ-- Received: from [12.76.217.118] by web52207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 18:32:00 PST Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 18:32:00 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <429121.46457.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=MvGZMTEW3TXitzJ0nhC_JNqqVMr5ZxggWGuz3S2OfPY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > Well according to what I have read in several radio > publications IBOC is capable of AM stereo > transmissions that are IBOC only and not CQUAM. You are sorta technically correct and not correct at the same time. But AM stereo as we know it, NO. My AM stereo Sony will NOT decode IBOC. Powell Powell NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 25 18:34:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16753 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2006 02:34:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2006 02:34:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52212.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.135) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2006 02:34:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 44574 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2006 02:33:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dv9AgwcVM1lW8bwP9ldVqF32M7dHa2ZmCaZGRJsMpEPxM241_7JiNcMdu1o5iIxp2bnffx7NJ5.XTVqrpTKY6WJPmxoMX1GZGIOHbjy3UryZsc6ewcizoYzkQf6nBasFpMxYoktY3d3kYCEm0u9FQKtjI8Rg2LF5DgazJdKUExS2gX2nks1775FwrCjd Received: from [12.76.217.118] by web52212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 18:33:50 PST Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 18:33:50 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20061225194307.74382.qmail@web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <807091.44393.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=UnE6jE8jSPQa8HPt9wgKhsRjht1_K7afdxEj_ipeVs8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > Yall have me wrong, im talking about the reception, > im > not talking about a transmitter. The RS radio when IBOC decodes will immediately show the station call sign in the display and a little signal strength meter shows up. I don't remember if a HD display shows. I've never thought to try it on my Alfredo Lite... Powell NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 25 18:54:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20194 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2006 02:53:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2006 02:53:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52212.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.135) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2006 02:53:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 51247 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2006 02:53:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20061226025301.51245.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: SFp.gCAVM1nWPvOCJE4bAMuQAAExsJgzz4epTR0X0lMufL743y9emmebg11bgOkxj6Bm0.Sc8fd_nSxcGNg_AJC0Lvg4ffeo_WRj6PZNdzSZ0LF.tIgGLHwKatnybsx5hK6dVKwiZ8RudH73MaVAb_asFRH0HmFmzCR_QCqoYiL.4tgL3KG2eqnpWoPr Received: from [12.76.217.118] by web52212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 18:53:01 PST Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 18:53:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <762342.68881.qm@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=qsMZeq0rHaDaSRHDFS7TTzMX4SZ-MugOSd5h9pEIZDw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > If I were anti digital I would not own a single CD, > I > own way over a thousand. I do not like overly > compressed digital as are MP3's. MP3 does not have to be crushed. CD's now are ( GRRRR!) getting that way. Yes I know they > can > be recorded higher but not as high a bit rate as a > CD > and if that were possible then it wouldn't be an > MP3, > it would in fact be a CD. No. > From everything I have > read IBOC is trash. I am beyond not thrilled on the MW solution, IBOC and DRM too. More on DRM later. Some may like it but I think those > people can't hear very well if what is said about it > is true. I think for FM the data rate should be 4 times what we will get. Unfortunately NOT. > When I asked about the amp I meant what > will the Accurian put out? Not a lot, but it was not intended to do so. > If it isn't 100 watts > 20-20khz with at least o.o8% THD I don't want it. NOW, you are being more pedantic than Pedantic Powell here... Headphones > don't really require that much amplification power > and > I never liked listening in headphones. Can we say > "middle of the head syndrome"? No. > Besides all > headphones > are annoying as hell after so long and they make > your ears sweat. My Sennheisers never did that, but they are an expensive open air type. I'd much rather sit down in an easy > chair > between two large well designed tower speakers with > a > maximum of 12" woofer. I never liked woofers any > larger than that, way too boomy and fake. That's not correct. If you listen to the BIGGEST Klipsh you'll have your breath taken away. And not booooomy or fake. But you'd better have a large wallet and lots of space. > Actually > an > 8-10 inch system is ideal. A giant compromise for bass response. My towers have 12 inch > ones but they aren't overly boomy which is good. Well. > Anyway I am sure the radio is nice for someone who > likes that, i'm just more about a large stereo > system > than a table radio. A good table radio has its place. You can't really find those anymore. Even the good component stuff is getting harder to find. Note I said GOOD. I only listen to a table radio > at my desk. In fact sometimes I just listen to the > little handheld transistor at the desk because too > much sound is annoying when i'm trying to work. > Don't > get me wrong, I appreciate your ideas and comments, > we > just agree to disagree on a few things. Hell that > makes us Americans! I actually enjoy digital when > it > comes to CD's and on a good setup they can sound > better than most things. I do think that they tend > to > overemphasize the treble and bass on CD's. Some are > overly bright. I just turn down the treble knob on > the receiver. Not true if the CD is mastered correctly. Anymore they are compressed and crushed worse than you'd imagine. A lot of radio stations REFUSE to take commercial CD's for air play. They have told the "record companies" that if they want air play they have to have uncompressed audio. > or me I think some of the best > recordings though were on reel to reel tape with > good > maxell tape and the treble knob turned slighly down > just a tinge to suppress tape hiss. The ReVox I have has a good enough signal to noise ratio that even at 3.75 IPS (on the one that runs that speed) you just aren't going to hear the hiss. I also like Scotch 203. That way tapes > sounded pretty good. I tell ya what I really dont > like about MP3's and downloads though if you really > want to know. When you download an MP3 and lets say > you do it legally, pay for it, the whole nine yards. > > That file is what you have. If it becomes corrupted > you no longer have it. You also can't do much with > it. No album artwork, nothing. You are purchasing > a > low-fi file in comparison to a CD and you really get > nothing. Play that file over a good system with > decent amplification and you'll start to hear the > highs get splatterd and all sorts of distortion. I > would be all for digital IF it were designed from > the > ground up with hi-fidelity in mind. Let's not fool > ourselves gentleman. Do we really want to go > backwards in time in terms of sound quality or do we > want to move forward? Perhaps IBOC will one day be > a > high fidelity medium but as of yet it's mediocre. > The > broadcasters I know and talk with say they will not > install that equipment in their station unless made > to > by the FCC. Personally I don't know whats happened > to > this forum. It's turning into a pro IBOC forum > instead of CQUAM AM Stereo. I certainly am not pro IBOC. But I wanted to correct a few things. I have at least a thousand or more CD's and records, you know, those flat black things with holes in the middle ! Powell NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 25 19:04:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64885 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2006 03:02:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2006 03:02:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52205.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.128) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2006 03:02:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 8597 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2006 03:02:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20061226030218.8595.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: McwZyVsVM1mZdWjZFuG6pvm6UzWvDCvkwOkDY_iqbczZx0msJoY7Fo.tjtVUXgFgarA9Q2UVbKlCjCc8Xd3Xufq2JlrXxjzXTZuI5_b.4i0RpXhIEGw.d0NLQLtEdzf9ruQFW9gzWO3USQ-- Received: from [12.76.217.118] by web52205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 19:02:18 PST Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 19:02:18 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <18825.85298.qm@web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=lGzIu-AVGyI_Ght5rPwl1opSp0xRUspJZJMPNAKKnjI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: I seriously doubt the FM goes > to 20 hz though. It's not legal for FM stereo to go that far. They have to cut off at 15K due to the pilot I can't find my manual on the Accurian. It's probably at Silverstreet. Powell NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 25 19:06:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88768 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2006 03:04:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2006 03:04:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52204.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.127) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2006 03:04:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 58810 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2006 03:04:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20061226030446.58808.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: xC0nOIoVM1k6C2LbfxsIeVL8fgbCkCS5XvDnDL8DelFx28HmyBdlHcPYQDoPKP6OrA5UMvwdCzFyBom41rGxr0ybrMDr4ePUI0YsHUiPRJqEXqlyhQ__YdYTCudJsIP3VUu5qzOcuUWa4dw- Received: from [12.76.217.118] by web52204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 19:04:46 PST Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 19:04:46 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <838703.19452.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.127 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=mKO9nJcH7EfJ89d57eXQrlkiVZdUgNY3l8PteHGYTD0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > Ok but I still don't understand why they all of a > sudden bring back CQUAM on an HD radio. If they are > doing that then why have they not included CQUAM > standard in all AM's since it was voted in as > standard? Thats my point. Why now, why the > Accurian table radio. The Sangean units do CQUAM also. Since the HD module is done by LG and there's a lot of DSP, and it probably was rather simple to add a bit of code to do it. Years ago we did not have this kind of computer power at our disposal so readily and / or inexpensively. Powello NNNN! From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Dec 26 00:35:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51589 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2006 08:33:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2006 08:33:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.33) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2006 08:33:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 70780 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2006 08:32:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Lk5iycwVM1kBj_YpmAUsuAYHwaZnsAAGkydSMzzzvPTGS3Hw8Jpj1XQ1CV8ic4RVeeAnZIa5NYsDEfeHdVGZwzETwPCvx4MBcDlAXLG0dXGJilIhp7gojlggrCi66QDNay5GlbQq Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 00:32:58 PST Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 00:32:58 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20061226023200.58516.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <13423.70341.qm@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=d-xrg6u57Yo0HO_3Dgu7lerHhmisQbzaFpRhbcsceND91UAiZPYO X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Yall are hilarious, I NEVER SAID A CQUAM AM STEREO RECEIVER WOULD DECODE IBOC for the last damn time. --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Kevin Bell wrote: > > > Well according to what I have read in several > radio > > publications IBOC is capable of AM stereo > > transmissions that are IBOC only and not CQUAM. > > You are sorta technically correct and not correct at > the same time. But AM stereo as we know it, NO. My > AM > stereo Sony will NOT decode IBOC. > > > Powell > > > Powell > > NNNN! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Dec 26 00:46:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92757 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2006 08:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2006 08:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.33) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2006 08:44:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 70216 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2006 08:30:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LMPE4OEVM1nG_1p5iCB32GtmmsgKpw78CuKbjoX1FL7vXDKC2iDSrqgwlrkWbEXgrTLVMvpYx462SIAUSlRVGOKBEdbLlJQPERUbgdQHLisEjw9619JAINQcwKXGF0jqaue7S3cc Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 00:30:13 PST Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 00:30:13 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <486286.58414.qm@web56809.mail.re3.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <655490.69015.qm@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=2cqJZqIMLFRlhYf5Mkj_iZS8tsYywvvzqmKRslT15UA0E8BnJi8G X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke It amazes me how people do not read before they comment. I didn't say I was cutting everything off below 100hz, I told him IF you cut everything off below 100hz there wouldnt be any bass and that most FM stations do in fact have something down to at least 60hz. I'm not so sure about 20hz. --- Harold Richards wrote: > Why are you cutting off the bottom end at 100 hz and > limiting the top to 15 kHz? Last time I did a proof > I had 30 hz to 17 kHz within the 3 dB window and > under 1%. I assume you are talking about a cheap FM > tuner and not the point of transmission. > > For what it's worth, I tested several car radios > for Storer Broadcasting in the early years. The > receivers were mostly good and had decent specs. It > was when GM and Ford placed not so good speakers in > doors of cars and dashboards did they find that > modifications had to be made to the in-dash units to > make they sound good. Most could make the high end > specs, but the magic number was 225 hz on the low > end, and it made it necessary to install artificial > bass boost in the amplifiers to overcome speaker > inefficiency. > > ...Harold > > Possum Hunter wrote: > Kevin Bell wrote: > >If it isn't 100 watts 20-20khz with at least o.o8% > THD I don't want it. > > I really hate to bust your bubble but the absolute > BEST you are gonna do on > FM Stereo is about 100Hz-15kHz 1% THD > > In a Car, you are going to get 100Hz-10Khz and that > is if you are under the > tower and the FM Blend / High cut filter isn't > killing your highs. > > > >The broadcasters I know and talk with say they will > not install that > >equipment in their station unless made to by the > FCC. > > For AM broadcasters, I don't blame em. I do NOT like > the sound of AM > HD-Radio > > > > Personally I don't know what's happened to this > forum. It's turning into > > a pro IBOC forum instead of CQUAM AM Stereo. > > I would think you would be THRILLED that the average > "Joe Blow" can walk > into Radio Shack and buy a C-QUAM compatible radio > for $125 bucks. So What > if it also gets HD-Radio? At least you will be able > to get better than 5KC > audio from Radio Randy again. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Dec 26 00:47:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75940 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2006 08:46:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2006 08:46:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.30) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2006 08:46:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 77458 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2006 08:36:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MxkljWoVM1lvBz8E1mkWM8vBEtApp9Bmfnai3sw64lJXf9p26jk0sqz0Xsu_MOf3qdqyWxLRhzyzI849JuC9j9DIIKKE9w1ZNYt.5zSIs7E7NRo4Wg_t70BEcEz62q_BHZrphUfyvRtZJsy2IpNZzUHirNjKRaD9vZRZ.58HZdSb.F7rXX4cEA-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 00:36:16 PST Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 00:36:16 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20061226025301.51245.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <133516.77454.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=KH9U2EREx_Wm-WbV5KZUY3pEo3gl-Z9K6BG7cnafGWLFUdhIAVX3 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Of course I know, I love old records too and they sound quite good, just not as good as a well mastered CD. --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Kevin Bell wrote: > > > If I were anti digital I would not own a single > CD, > > I > > own way over a thousand. I do not like overly > > compressed digital as are MP3's. > > MP3 does not have to be crushed. CD's now are > ( GRRRR!) getting that way. > > Yes I know they > > can > > be recorded higher but not as high a bit rate as a > > CD > > and if that were possible then it wouldn't be an > > MP3, > > it would in fact be a CD. > > No. > > > From everything I have > > read IBOC is trash. > > > I am beyond not thrilled on the MW solution, IBOC > and > DRM too. More on DRM later. > > > Some may like it but I think those > > people can't hear very well if what is said about > it > > is true. > > I think for FM the data rate should be 4 times what > we > will get. Unfortunately NOT. > > > When I asked about the amp I meant what > > will the Accurian put out? > > > Not a lot, but it was not intended to do so. > > > > If it isn't 100 watts > > 20-20khz with at least o.o8% THD I don't want it. > > NOW, you are being more pedantic than Pedantic > Powell > here... > > > Headphones > > don't really require that much amplification power > > and > > I never liked listening in headphones. Can we say > > "middle of the head syndrome"? > > No. > > > Besides all > > headphones > > are annoying as hell after so long and they make > > your ears sweat. > > My Sennheisers never did that, but they are an > expensive open air type. > > > I'd much rather sit down in an easy > > chair > > between two large well designed tower speakers > with > > a > > maximum of 12" woofer. I never liked woofers any > > larger than that, way too boomy and fake. > > That's not correct. If you listen to the BIGGEST > Klipsh you'll have your breath taken away. And not > booooomy or fake. But you'd better have a large > wallet > and lots of space. > > > > Actually > > an > > 8-10 inch system is ideal. > > A giant compromise for bass response. > > My towers have 12 inch > > ones but they aren't overly boomy which is good. > > > Well. > > > > Anyway I am sure the radio is nice for someone who > > likes that, i'm just more about a large stereo > > system > > than a table radio. > > A good table radio has its place. You can't really > find those anymore. Even the good component stuff is > getting harder to find. Note I said GOOD. > > > I only listen to a table radio > > at my desk. In fact sometimes I just listen to > the > > little handheld transistor at the desk because too > > much sound is annoying when i'm trying to work. > > Don't > > get me wrong, I appreciate your ideas and > comments, > > we > > just agree to disagree on a few things. Hell that > > makes us Americans! I actually enjoy digital when > > it > > comes to CD's and on a good setup they can sound > > better than most things. I do think that they > tend > > to > > overemphasize the treble and bass on CD's. Some > are > > overly bright. I just turn down the treble knob > on > > the receiver. > > Not true if the CD is mastered correctly. Anymore > they > are compressed and crushed worse than you'd imagine. > A > lot of radio stations REFUSE to take commercial CD's > for air play. They have told the "record companies" > that if they want air play they have to have > uncompressed audio. > > > or me I think some of the best > > recordings though were on reel to reel tape with > > good > > maxell tape and the treble knob turned slighly > down > > just a tinge to suppress tape hiss. > > > The ReVox I have has a good enough signal to noise > ratio that even at 3.75 IPS (on the one that runs > that > speed) you just aren't going to hear the hiss. I > also > like Scotch 203. > > That way tapes > > sounded pretty good. I tell ya what I really dont > > like about MP3's and downloads though if you > really > > want to know. When you download an MP3 and lets > say > > you do it legally, pay for it, the whole nine > yards. > > > > That file is what you have. If it becomes > corrupted > > you no longer have it. You also can't do much > with > > it. No album artwork, nothing. You are > purchasing > > a > > low-fi file in comparison to a CD and you really > get > > nothing. Play that file over a good system with > > decent amplification and you'll start to hear the > > highs get splatterd and all sorts of distortion. > I > > would be all for digital IF it were designed from > > the > > ground up with hi-fidelity in mind. Let's not > fool > > ourselves gentleman. Do we really want to go > > backwards in time in terms of sound quality or do > we > > want to move forward? Perhaps IBOC will one day > be > > a > > high fidelity medium but as of yet it's mediocre. > > The > > broadcasters I know and talk with say they will > not > > install that equipment in their station unless > made > > to > > by the FCC. Personally I don't know whats > happened > > to > > this forum. It's turning into a pro IBOC forum > > instead of CQUAM AM Stereo. > > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Dec 26 01:05:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28660 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2006 09:05:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2006 09:05:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.39) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2006 09:05:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 79062 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2006 08:31:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20061226083127.79060.qmail@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: UeTPN9AVM1kdzLLixJeHtU_yn5lHN1N6DH7fkdpM8I_lOmWEz5OUvdCzSCKpZr9bGutdrdWMfHop6TFLhV61ZpS3N66.aieUJLOMNCKUnm5yH3xHyDO06pDJTbZ6jU_onde.NPWy Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 00:31:27 PST Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 00:31:27 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <016901c72882$2f45edc0$6f6e5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Name X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=Ls_qZrSGJgpOHmtUm-badSpuStEebOAd9FL8mhG1jw-PUXOE-e01 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Because everyone is orgasming over an HD radio and singing the merits of IBOC now. Why not buy a vintage real CQUAM receiver? --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Kevin Bell wrote: > > By the way, I think we should change the name of > this forum to IBOC AM > > because it clearly isn't in support of CQUAM AM > Stereo. > > What in HELL is wrong with being exited about the > ONLY 2 home radios that > recieve C-QUAM priced under $1000 being sold in the > US for nearly 20 years? > How does THAT make this an IBOC forum? > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Dec 26 01:10:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28524 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2006 09:10:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2006 09:10:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.29) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2006 09:10:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 29523 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2006 08:37:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20061226083746.29521.qmail@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: pYFdKTcVM1k6A4dseocMgv20ym6Xh.8w1leXlA3UmKp_8Tcm5_lMCx4muUJJIjkSJMtVs1H1YOSLKLa_JEpOhX6THfLfmLXLjRQbVoZiAHORF2zWeqIb59jwW3DkwUvj05HDIakZ4znVAe.m1Di4ohKAsYU- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 00:37:45 PST Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 00:37:45 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20061226030218.8595.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=BFYlKnMwV7W1fvSbBqOOJnbxEukLj3Ydz_C0HHaJ4I3pShIpFIqh X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I know that, notice I said hertz (hz) and not Kilohertz (Khz). I was referring to the low end and I said hertz, not kilo. --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Kevin Bell wrote: > > I seriously doubt the FM goes > > to 20 hz though. > > > It's not legal for FM stereo to go that far. They > have > to cut off at 15K due to the pilot > > I can't find my manual on the Accurian. It's > probably > at Silverstreet. > > Powell > > NNNN! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 26 07:05:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8229 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2006 15:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2006 15:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52201.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.124) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2006 15:05:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 87431 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2006 15:05:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2rNhUXYVM1kTy0Zxrx4_bryhczlZ7c53D5nlE5gp_vUTz8rKEaNUBsb6O6wy1224YCkePGyGQxL1AzGYUO.lcBfhFiM0vGJJMEOvYyhbQJbe8GDN66E9yG0PY1wS5WTKtu_A_esfQi9Jng-- Received: from [12.76.217.246] by web52201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 07:05:01 PST Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 07:05:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20061226083127.79060.qmail@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <831847.87157.qm@web52201.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.124 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Name X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=4McypFQdD_WgpeZMYKFtFE-o9KtFuiYt0N-Z6xFysKU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > Because everyone is orgasming over an HD radio and > singing the merits of IBOC now. Why not buy a > vintage real CQUAM receiver? No "we" are not. You can't read or comprehend either...... ]:) Powell NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 26 07:08:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74934 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2006 15:06:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2006 15:06:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52206.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.129) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2006 15:06:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 88485 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2006 15:06:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 9QbgeeUVM1k4bVzERL4Rq3qozHiEfdSD904K58jfjutoclmVETrHRnWUK7NhH0VnCyKnKvMFvzBE__tVmVZTpTQqRoO4eDr7vxzaBmdjZYlGeNOjsm.wCLPpfgFCyrnMaDEL2u6437h_KQ-- Received: from [12.76.217.246] by web52206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 07:06:30 PST Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 07:06:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <133516.77454.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <136396.71295.qm@web52206.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=in9KSkRjb_y0aopsHO1HtfaBCw11LLCOT4s9ICpPedw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > Of course I know, I love old records too and they > sound quite good, just not as good as a well > mastered CD. However MOST of the records I have will NEVER be on CD. Powell NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 26 07:21:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56910 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2006 15:20:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2006 15:20:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52210.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.133) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2006 15:20:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 74654 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2006 15:20:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 64nVtikVM1m2tRnz3xhd15hHcDwuBQ7UUIkdixyTDUBlHoHBcpe_nEw6XOKyZ2dx_w-- Received: from [12.76.217.246] by web52210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 07:20:56 PST Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 07:20:56 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20061226083746.29521.qmail@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <990780.72753.qm@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=8JRdDmym7uqRSis09-iaYQUfmY2bGo2QZoO-jm7S6oI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > I know that, notice I said hertz (hz) and not > Kilohertz (Khz). I was referring to the low end and > I said hertz, not kilo. OK, bad eyes. Now I don't know how low. VERY few speakers will reproduce FAITHfully below 50 hertz. When I had the Klipsch Heresy they sounded thin. Why? Didn't have doubling and severe distortion some of the smaller units have to make bass sound more robust. I went to the Klipsch site. The Heresy III has a response of 58 hertz to 20 kilohertz plus or minus 3 db. The big Klipschhorn has 33 to 17K plus or minus 4 db. Impressive. For me unaffordium. One thing about the Klipsch design is a 100 watt receiver will loaf along to play loud, where as with a lot of other systems you need a 200+ watt receiver straining hard to get by. Now just hook that up to a Jeff Deck modified ( for AM stereo ) Yamaha TX-492 and you are set. UH, then find a good AM stereo station to listen to, or move to Myrtle Beach. Powell NNNN! From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Dec 26 08:32:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84904 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2006 16:32:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2006 16:32:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.26) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2006 16:31:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 78323 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2006 16:31:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: bpXIP5gVM1l2m4OvWrB1RziVzMm_OQaptvgSMyQloWlF4xKCp6FqB9fWGp.Vne3quA-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 08:31:23 PST Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 08:31:23 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <990780.72753.qm@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <661333.75865.qm@web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=FRxaGMcYolUoAty7XFJfpHxJRipTm7ah39r71ethsN1zksSIiNYd X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Powell let me ask you something concerning platform motion. I am in a location where the only AM Stereo stations I can get are DX. I get lots of platform motion on that. If I had a station here would in town with AM Stereo would it still exhibit the platform motion or is that when you don't have a good signal? As I stated a while back i'm told I have impeccable hearing which can be a nuissance at times because over emphasized treble will drive you nuts with sensitive hearing. This is why I really like the sound of AM Stereo. The high end isn't nearly as high and has a more "smooth" sound. The AM stereo seems to have a nicer, much smoother seperation as well. That is when I can get a station to come in for a while before it starts to fade and the platform motion goes wild. I just wondered if the station was closeby if the platform motion would even be a problem. Again the only way I can get AM Stereo currently is in the chrysler town and country. --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Kevin Bell wrote: > > > I know that, notice I said hertz (hz) and not > > Kilohertz (Khz). I was referring to the low end > and > > I said hertz, not kilo. > > OK, bad eyes. Now I don't know how low. VERY few > speakers will reproduce FAITHfully below 50 hertz. > When I had the Klipsch Heresy they sounded thin. > Why? > Didn't have doubling and severe distortion some of > the > smaller units have to make bass sound more robust. I > went to the Klipsch site. The Heresy III has a > response of 58 hertz to 20 kilohertz plus or minus 3 > db. The big Klipschhorn has 33 to 17K plus or minus > 4 > db. Impressive. For me unaffordium. One thing about > the Klipsch design is a 100 watt receiver will loaf > along to play loud, where as with a lot of other > systems you need a 200+ watt receiver straining hard > to get by. Now just hook that up to a Jeff Deck > modified ( for AM stereo ) Yamaha TX-492 and you are > set. UH, then find a good AM stereo station to > listen > to, or move to Myrtle Beach. > > Powell > > > > > > > NNNN! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 26 10:44:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26470 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2006 18:44:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2006 18:44:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52206.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.129) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2006 18:44:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 69604 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2006 18:40:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kOVQ5hQVM1mBcSvHSsrKGFsukd06OAZybQ0.wxT0wYqQZZJK3UB.1af0YgilUVJwCQ-- Received: from [12.76.217.125] by web52206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 10:40:44 PST Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 10:40:44 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <661333.75865.qm@web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <31046.68221.qm@web52206.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=pBrW-8EvkQrhkOTqrICCrQQy3RUDaindqh1w8Jt8EZI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > Powell let me ask you something concerning platform > motion. I am in a location where the only AM Stereo > stations I can get are DX. I get lots of platform > motion on that. If I had a station here would in > town > with AM Stereo would it still exhibit the platform > motion or is that when you don't have a good signal? It's when you have interfering signals. Even if the signal is strong, but there is another station on the same frequency that's strong enough to be heard in the background and is not 100% the exact same frequency you'll have a problem. Skywave can also do this. > As I stated a while back i'm told I have impeccable > hearing which can be a nuissance at times because > over > emphasized treble will drive you nuts with sensitive > hearing. This is why I really like the sound of AM > Stereo. The high end isn't nearly as high and has a > more "smooth" sound. The AM stereo seems to have a > nicer, much smoother seperation as well. Remember that on CQUAM, separation is not a function of how good the signal is. FM stereo can especially if the radio has blend. > That is > when > I can get a station to come in for a while before it > starts to fade and the platform motion goes wild. I > just wondered if the station was closeby if the > platform motion would even be a problem. Again the > only way I can get AM Stereo currently is in the > chrysler town and country. Platform motion is not as bad as in the earlier radios. Someone else can tell about the newer chips. Powell NNNN! From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Dec 26 14:33:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22324 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2006 22:33:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2006 22:33:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2006 22:33:26 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.110.81.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.110.81] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GzKrJ-0001EK-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 17:33:21 -0500 Message-ID: <019501c7293d$d8b96100$516e5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <20061226083127.79060.qmail@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 17:33:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Name X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=ZX03OZ_IOzg1a0WOKWmX_Vy3RAJzVIWXbzb4q-VP6hr6tfor2xuk7u07zdS55A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin Bell wrote: >Why not buy a vintage real CQUAM receiver? OK Mr. Bell I will make you a deal: You ship me a Carver TX-11c or a Dennon TU-680NAB that works well enough to meet factory spec, OR go to http://www.fanfare.com/fta-100-sht.html and ship me a FT-100 and I will GLADY ship to you, or the charity of your choice, the Radio Shack Accurian HD-Radio. I will have a "Real C-QUAM reciever" that picks up X-Band and then you can be happy. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Dec 26 14:40:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3223 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2006 22:39:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2006 22:39:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2006 22:39:24 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.110.81.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.110.81] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GzKwy-0001lP-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 17:39:12 -0500 Message-ID: <01b401c7293e$a9e448d0$516e5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <655490.69015.qm@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 17:39:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=VFX8aCq5pjZEaAMIrJ-_EOPxaEvTCQ_vXLY6Ks_ryUmbMxwWnihFqubMJF9I1Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: >IF you cut everything off below 100hz there wouldnt be any bass and that >most FM stations do in fact have something down to at least 60hz. I'm not >so sure about 20hz. Most AM and FM stations use a Low Cut filter at 100Hz. This is to remove rumble and automation tones. This is a Brick-Wall type filter not the WIDE filter that your graphic EQ uses at home. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Dec 26 14:46:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22321 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2006 22:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2006 22:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2006 22:46:00 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.110.81.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.110.81] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GzL38-0002Oc-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 17:45:35 -0500 Message-ID: <01da01c7293f$8dfb17b0$516e5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <13423.70341.qm@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 17:45:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=SPfPjNZE-E3mojIEjdKS7-RBjJv5sURzn-rFOzFK6qM_135eEV8Y2i2puwZpJA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Yea, but my HD-Radio will decode C-QUAM! LOL Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 3:32 AM Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever > Yall are hilarious, I NEVER SAID A CQUAM AM STEREO > RECEIVER WOULD DECODE IBOC for the last damn time. > > > > > --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > >> >> --- Kevin Bell wrote: >> >> > Well according to what I have read in several >> radio >> > publications IBOC is capable of AM stereo >> > transmissions that are IBOC only and not CQUAM. >> >> You are sorta technically correct and not correct at >> the same time. But AM stereo as we know it, NO. My >> AM >> stereo Sony will NOT decode IBOC. >> >> >> Powell >> >> >> Powell >> >> NNNN! >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Dec 26 15:14:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66031 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2006 23:13:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2006 23:13:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.160) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2006 23:13:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 73861 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2006 23:13:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Be97RTYVM1k87eZzOG53sKT8HamKY8PGcy.87pV1GBeQM9LQ7eBVewRp4cFvWuoXzcHGsaOQzSFFlcIsqoUkAd7PkcMZ5NagUxmgMGoOgnhEr7W91M2m3YWlPxRLS8xDV1ggES61gg-- Received: from [72.240.139.231] by web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 15:13:51 PST Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 15:13:51 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <153176.73857.qm@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Which HD radios have C-Quam? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=C7zqRXM-o116z4JY3mojJ4U_bVr4bcsjmZBs0pYKKia9vekM6ntqL6s X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio So, it appears that the Sangean HDT-1 apparently has C-Quam - have we determined if the Radio Shack model has CQuam as well? Any of the HD car radios have CQuam, or just tabletop rig(s)? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 26 15:44:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81465 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2006 23:44:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2006 23:44:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52208.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.131) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2006 23:44:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 95959 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2006 23:44:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20061226234416.95957.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: pQaOVOMVM1ltG8m269OM4wjS969OYZ.oDXo5qciPnD4BDubCfE9I41I75conAZUSws1zYOucq85SYxPW8HImfUjNf._6r4DCYkYp8bDI0SHi.n562uiohyEHcJXG.Cwydraf9Rxfoq0o5is- Received: from [12.76.217.155] by web52208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 15:44:16 PST Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 15:44:16 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <01b401c7293e$a9e448d0$516e5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=9-ogIgQI_tGk8eICQIEt4p74_FhVk1DIycnoIo6iklI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Kevin Bell wrote: > >IF you cut everything off below 100hz there wouldnt > be any bass and that > >most FM stations do in fact have something down to > at least 60hz. I'm not > >so sure about 20hz. > > Most AM and FM stations use a Low Cut filter at > 100Hz. That's old This is to remove > rumble and automation tones. This is a Brick-Wall > type filter not the WIDE > filter that your graphic EQ uses at home. Most stations don't play records and automation tones should now not be in the audio chain. Remember, though, the Mutual Radio BEE- DOOP? Powell NNNN! From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Dec 26 16:03:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95206 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2006 00:02:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2006 00:02:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2006 00:02:28 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.109.103.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.109.103] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GzMFW-0001VD-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 19:02:26 -0500 Message-ID: <021c01c7294a$4a84bbc0$516e5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <20061226234416.95957.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 19:02:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=TO-BIgjvyL-uLtVOrBDRdy_y942NYafQffzZ0tkyEWdFUbDYyLRcwViXAycHSA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > Most stations don't play records and automation tones should now not be in > the audio chain. We have two stations that rumble the woofers because they have no filter AND they have tones on their tapes! LOL And Stations tend to keep their audio chain forever and still have that 100Hz filter installed. C-QUAM stations all have that 100Hz filter to keep the bass and automation tones out of the pilot tone > > Remember, though, the Mutual Radio BEE- DOOP? And the BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP down the phone loop...that was later on the bird too! "We Make Radio Beautiful, Fourteen-Ninety WMRB Greenville, An affiliate of the Mutual Broadcasting System" ah that was fun back then... Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Dec 26 16:08:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27165 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2006 00:07:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2006 00:07:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2006 00:07:29 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.109.103.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.109.103] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GzMKN-0001vT-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 19:07:28 -0500 Message-ID: <024401c7294a$fe068f70$516e5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <20061226083127.79060.qmail@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <019501c7293d$d8b96100$516e5b04@PossumHunter> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 19:07:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Name X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=SvdgFTSmz916yr1Zt8oVQMoSVmhAdjHzCrhX7clwzBFRhWYL_Sc8wnjV9vLheA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 After thinking about it, I will extend this offer to include the Japan Radio Company (JRC) NRD-545 DSP receiver. The day I receiver it, the HD-Radio will be shipped to your address! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 5:33 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Name > Kevin Bell wrote: >>Why not buy a vintage real CQUAM receiver? > > OK Mr. Bell I will make you a deal: > You ship me a Carver TX-11c or a Dennon TU-680NAB that works well enough > to meet factory spec, OR go to http://www.fanfare.com/fta-100-sht.html and > ship me a FT-100 and I will GLADY ship to you, or the charity of your > choice, the Radio Shack Accurian HD-Radio. I will have a "Real C-QUAM > reciever" that picks up X-Band and then you can be happy. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Dec 26 16:09:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13995 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2006 00:09:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2006 00:09:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao04.cox.net) (68.230.241.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2006 00:09:47 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061227000943.LTSL7494.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 19:09:43 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 3c8z1W0072DrW980000000; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 19:08:59 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <153176.73857.qm@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <153176.73857.qm@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <05555999-68D4-459D-9E76-497C03A40709@cox.net> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 16:09:41 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which HD radios have C-Quam? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=1fjmVISPt5Cq6tHmxBq5M4BXeWsaIxmNgelOl9TBa2xo75PzgxcJYRV2ImpV X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The RS Accuruan that I have does not appear to do anything with C- QUAM. It does open up the bandwidth a bit after a while if a low volume is fed into the Chris Cuff transmitter, but it is most definitely not getting stereo. On Dec 26, 2006, at 3:13 PM, John P. wrote: > So, it appears that the Sangean HDT-1 apparently has C-Quam - have we > determined if the Radio Shack model has CQuam as well? > > Any of the HD car radios have CQuam, or just tabletop rig(s)? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rkhester@up-link.net Tue Dec 26 16:22:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rkhester@up-link.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80034 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2006 00:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2006 00:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.216) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2006 00:21:44 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2006 00:21:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2006 00:21:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2006 00:21:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 00:21:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <05555999-68D4-459D-9E76-497C03A40709@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.43.69.240 From: "Richard_K_Hester" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which HD radios have C-Quam? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171897818; y=pqZoCh2bmGJcHZlPRTB9mTWzLoItFwznd5YxszlFHg5zSeI X-Yahoo-Profile: w5rhs170 Well that is a shame because I was going to buy one today when I got=20 off work. If it is for sure mono, then it is not for me. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner =20 wrote: > > The RS Accuruan that I have does not appear to do anything with C-=20 > QUAM. It does open up the bandwidth a bit after a while if a low=20=20 > volume is fed into the Chris Cuff transmitter, but it is most=20=20 > definitely not getting stereo. >=20 > On Dec 26, 2006, at 3:13 PM, John P. wrote: >=20 > > So, it appears that the Sangean HDT-1 apparently has C-Quam -=20 have we > > determined if the Radio Shack model has CQuam as well? > > > > Any of the HD car radios have CQuam, or just tabletop rig(s)? > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From rkhester@up-link.net Tue Dec 26 16:27:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rkhester@up-link.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62733 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2006 00:27:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2006 00:27:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2006 00:27:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2006 00:25:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2006 00:25:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 00:25:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.43.69.240 From: "Richard_K_Hester" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which HD radios have C-Quam? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171897818; y=_y0lOF6agC8Eit2XHSEK3Z_4aBd1cwdPDsLcCl0ZBrZKsu8 X-Yahoo-Profile: w5rhs170 Let me correct this, if it doesn't have c-quam am stereo in it I=20 don't need it.=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Richard_K_Hester"=20 wrote: > > Well that is a shame because I was going to buy one today when I=20 got=20 > off work. If it is for sure mono, then it is not for me. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner =20 > wrote: > > > > The RS Accuruan that I have does not appear to do anything with C- =20 > > QUAM. It does open up the bandwidth a bit after a while if a low=20=20 > > volume is fed into the Chris Cuff transmitter, but it is most=20=20 > > definitely not getting stereo. > >=20 > > On Dec 26, 2006, at 3:13 PM, John P. wrote: > >=20 > > > So, it appears that the Sangean HDT-1 apparently has C-Quam -=20 > have we > > > determined if the Radio Shack model has CQuam as well? > > > > > > Any of the HD car radios have CQuam, or just tabletop rig(s)? > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue Dec 26 16:29:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6743 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2006 00:29:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2006 00:29:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2006 00:29:03 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.9]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 140322281 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 18:28:57 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b701c7294e$888edb40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <486286.58414.qm@web56809.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 18:32:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.220.9 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=nZa6GzrDTPRZzhYnn0U_jjuzC_TdWap1ooI8uYRFD55S-_C4OGBf X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude A lot of the Delcos from the late 80s onward sound like they don't produce much ABOVE 225Hz, especially on AM. Only a *slight* exaggeration. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Richards" > > For what it's worth, I tested several car radios for Storer Broadcasting in the early years. The receivers were mostly good and had decent specs. It was when GM and Ford placed not so good speakers in doors of cars and dashboards did they find that modifications had to be made to the in-dash units to make they sound good. Most could make the high end specs, but the magic number was 225 hz on the low end, and it made it necessary to install artificial bass boost in the amplifiers to overcome speaker inefficiency. > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Dec 26 16:41:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24601 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2006 00:41:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2006 00:41:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2006 00:41:26 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.109.103.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.109.103] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GzMrF-0004i8-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 19:41:25 -0500 Message-ID: <026d01c7294f$bcac4470$516e5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 19:41:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which HD radios have C-Quam? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=hcPYVo_Wst5IhzYalMJkkE645bgqfYSFmQxDD7_qEL9nCSwFYLhth7SfDhhXaA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Richard_K_Hester wrote: > Well that is a shame because I was going to buy one today when I got off > work. If it is for sure mono, then it is not for me. Yea, I am now glad my Local Rat Shack was out of them! I fired my $200 bucks off to Universal Radio since I KNOW the Sangean has C-QUAM. http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/spcialty/0149.html Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue Dec 26 16:42:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27920 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2006 00:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2006 00:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2006 00:40:38 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.9]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 139341663 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 18:40:36 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ff01c72950$29597700$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <655490.69015.qm@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <01b401c7293e$a9e448d0$516e5b04@PossumHunter> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 18:44:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 7, in=8, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.9 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=Y94wApTsR8dQ3Ml-iOLLyMWzWdnN0QfYI2DEuVoUwd7RWmDO7orG X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I don't use any filtering on my AM stations, and unfortunately the 25hz tones DO go through on TRN programs. They're one of the last ones to still use tones as well as relay closures (we use the latter.) I suppose I should try and dig out that ancient automation high-pass filter to get rid of them. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > Most AM and FM stations use a Low Cut filter at 100Hz. This is to remove > rumble and automation tones. This is a Brick-Wall type filter not the WIDE > filter that your graphic EQ uses at home. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue Dec 26 16:53:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10871 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2006 00:52:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2006 00:52:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2006 00:52:17 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.9]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 140324606 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 18:52:15 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <013101c72951$ca1aeb00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <95815.59736.qm@web56809.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <01b501c72885$01a41380$6f6e5b04@PossumHunter> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 18:56:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.9 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=_ruLxcUr_Fx8Re_w0sFIWwi8nDYzAyBkMlCvO8j_m-vq751yqqhZ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude IIRC the ones in the three band audio processor are the ones NLA which is why the lite version came out- it eliminated that section. I understand the NE602s are getting scarce as well though still obtainable if you're willing to work with the little bitty versions of it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > You can find the Orignal Alfredo here: > http://web.archive.org/web/20001212170200/inetarena.com/~alfredot/exciter.html > > Some of the chips used are no longer in production. > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Dec 26 16:58:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87021 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2006 00:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2006 00:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2006 00:58:06 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.109.103.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.109.103] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GzN7M-0005za-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 19:58:04 -0500 Message-ID: <028601c72952$102fe5a0$516e5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <153176.73857.qm@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 19:58:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which HD radios have C-Quam? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=mUOJqFoCM62G1ikkjZCCHg94v33uQv4OM3vgAQWV5cnzU9Jy5JLo5WnoBneIdQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 John P. wrote: > Any of the HD car radios have CQuam, or just tabletop rig(s)? For the record, the Sangean HDT-1 is a component tuner NOT a table radio. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Dec 26 17:01:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71525 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2006 01:01:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2006 01:01:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.26) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2006 01:01:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 11591 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Dec 2006 01:01:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20061227010137.11589.qmail@web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: gZQ.RXQVM1kwxccLOmn9dGT2lLuBZsu4Wd0Svkucb0U8oCDjJ6BaGComAG4BganVuqSp4SgJCfvFP6FhYHONmblDARyMen70_7x9GTjNyWP2Uo2jylXfJsnXMjqXDJYoUYycQTcq Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 17:01:37 PST Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 17:01:37 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <019501c7293d$d8b96100$516e5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Name X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=RkkfPNNOUoiPILpdZuUToWKirk5ZZVOTj6OgO2VsShqZ0FlPG3Ar X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke E-Bay E-Bay, thats where you find stuff. I've always been able to find the things I want on there and find good deals. You gotta know how to work the system and how to search. Many things are in the wrong place and don't always come up under your search criteria. I feel confident that if you search long enough and stay on top of it that you will find one. --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Kevin Bell wrote: > >Why not buy a vintage real CQUAM receiver? > > OK Mr. Bell I will make you a deal: > You ship me a Carver TX-11c or a Dennon TU-680NAB > that works well enough to meet factory spec, OR go > to http://www.fanfare.com/fta-100-sht.html and ship > me a FT-100 and I will GLADY ship to you, or the > charity of your choice, the Radio Shack Accurian > HD-Radio. I will have a "Real C-QUAM reciever" that > picks up X-Band and then you can be happy. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in > frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Dec 26 17:04:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5130 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2006 01:04:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2006 01:04:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.26) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2006 01:04:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 12139 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Dec 2006 01:04:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: y4h8h_gVM1nlEomAwtpha31aaz3VoxfGIYf8aFCl7hm5SW5ISPsF2UzJ0ObdO86BUYRKDcQvrzVqGgcQhNMgbBLR7rC2UhhlDPtbl_wihK6Wib4__EUHe7dATagJ_HkZLP7FgY6O Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 17:04:01 PST Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 17:04:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <05555999-68D4-459D-9E76-497C03A40709@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <539705.12054.qm@web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which HD radios have C-Quam? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=fWfEG5Zy7slqkqIVUnlRPhT7sCHvMi05arrpJnWOApIAP97EmrMX X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Both funny and interesting! --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > The RS Accuruan that I have does not appear to do > anything with C- > QUAM. It does open up the bandwidth a bit after a > while if a low > volume is fed into the Chris Cuff transmitter, but > it is most > definitely not getting stereo. > > On Dec 26, 2006, at 3:13 PM, John P. wrote: > > > So, it appears that the Sangean HDT-1 apparently > has C-Quam - have we > > determined if the Radio Shack model has CQuam as > well? > > > > Any of the HD car radios have CQuam, or just > tabletop rig(s)? > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Dec 26 17:05:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42188 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2006 01:05:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2006 01:05:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.32) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2006 01:05:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 6375 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Dec 2006 01:05:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HpLj8cYVM1kCh.Vh_VIy_Pot.Ze89WPEskjOcD92wP.r2sQ80hOmVb415V5_ffUVQWK6fsrus6dcs2DatKezGIpwPemjdiWuaKQ5xSHeAS22x8ZI0aCP4bD3I7tTqDvmSVKOv1wZ Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 17:05:35 PST Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 17:05:35 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <375370.6358.qm@web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which HD radios have C-Quam? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=DhzQQrQAEbQswCKmfF-zx3oyr5ut1K6mYRtwaqBp5YmWZHeC6R-d X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I've preached it and preached it and i've said since this thread started that someone needed to in fact confirm this. I have the Accurian owners manual downloaded and it says NOTHING about AM Stereo or CQUAM in it. In fact the manual tells you nothing about amplifier power, speaker size, frequency response, etc. --- Richard_K_Hester wrote: > Let me correct this, if it doesn't have c-quam am > stereo in it I > don't need it. > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, > "Richard_K_Hester" > wrote: > > > > Well that is a shame because I was going to buy > one today when I > got > > off work. If it is for sure mono, then it is not > for me. > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard > Wagoner > > wrote: > > > > > > The RS Accuruan that I have does not appear to > do anything with C- > > > > QUAM. It does open up the bandwidth a bit after > a while if a low > > > volume is fed into the Chris Cuff transmitter, > but it is most > > > definitely not getting stereo. > > > > > > On Dec 26, 2006, at 3:13 PM, John P. wrote: > > > > > > > So, it appears that the Sangean HDT-1 > apparently has C-Quam - > > have we > > > > determined if the Radio Shack model has CQuam > as well? > > > > > > > > Any of the HD car radios have CQuam, or just > tabletop rig(s)? > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Dec 26 17:23:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67365 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2006 01:22:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2006 01:22:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2006 01:22:13 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.109.103.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.109.103] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GzNUc-0000A9-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 20:22:07 -0500 Message-ID: <02a101c72955$6bff9760$516e5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <20061227010137.11589.qmail@web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 20:22:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Name X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=RWqf3H_qZkaDB_ly-oD0PFhik2i9vHmqVWu_iTOIYMzchcEvhhYKLZ45pBPxoA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: > E-Bay E-Bay, thats where you find stuff. OK Fine! You buy me a Fanfare FT-100, Carver TX-11c, Dennon TU-680NAB, or a JRC NRD-545 DSP on Ebay that meets the original factory specs, is clean, and has no mods, and I will ship you the Sangean HDT-1 I just purchased Fair enough? Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Dec 26 17:55:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25732 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2006 01:53:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2006 01:53:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.33) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2006 01:53:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 32547 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Dec 2006 01:52:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: K7qjMAwVM1mMq48OQeIlalDj_ApLemjVnbmvmdCHbHJZwrSxV_SOIT1rpcRO20lDJn1YAnaH0wtiZfrBrYiY9BLEkYyM3h5BaDLHAWsyuHLye6bzFG0SmgsK2mLTvZaE.SPHDkAZ Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 17:52:58 PST Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 17:52:58 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <02a101c72955$6bff9760$516e5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <633440.31704.qm@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Name X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=5xsAKHroNn6-Mn46Y4ZI8twFAC7wKPFUtS03IAkINRzIbn2FeS9k X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke No my friend you gotta search for your own treasures yourself! Thats part of the fun of it. Have you tried Audiogon? That is most likely a better place for you to search because usually that stuff is better cared for than whats offered on Ebay. It's a site of other Audio buffs. Check it out. --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Kevin Bell wrote: > > E-Bay E-Bay, thats where you find stuff. > > OK Fine! > You buy me a Fanfare FT-100, Carver TX-11c, Dennon > TU-680NAB, or a JRC > NRD-545 DSP on Ebay that meets the original factory > specs, is clean, and has > no mods, and I will ship you the Sangean HDT-1 I > just purchased > > Fair enough? > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue Dec 26 18:35:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95852 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2006 02:34:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2006 02:34:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2006 02:34:38 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.9]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 139351334 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 20:34:36 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <016901c72960$16b972c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <153176.73857.qm@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <05555999-68D4-459D-9E76-497C03A40709@cox.net> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 20:38:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 7, in=9, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.9 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which HD radios have C-Quam? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=t0BfXs03FXb255pJRNh_88D94n29uLB6M9896JSZHo9Q63qvxtGO X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I wonder if we have production run differences? IIRC, you've had yours for awhile, Richard. Might be that it was added later? I suppose the best way to tell is to bring your Alfredo lite transmitter (assuming you have one) with you along with a pocket CD player and see if the ones at your local store have the hidden CQUAM feature. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wagoner" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 6:09 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which HD radios have C-Quam? > The RS Accuruan that I have does not appear to do anything with C- > QUAM. It does open up the bandwidth a bit after a while if a low > volume is fed into the Chris Cuff transmitter, but it is most > definitely not getting stereo. > > On Dec 26, 2006, at 3:13 PM, John P. wrote: > > > So, it appears that the Sangean HDT-1 apparently has C-Quam - have we > > determined if the Radio Shack model has CQuam as well? > > > > Any of the HD car radios have CQuam, or just tabletop rig(s)? > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From tomray@wor710.com Wed Dec 27 06:06:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37948 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2006 14:06:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2006 14:06:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.108) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2006 14:06:38 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n11.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2006 14:06:32 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2006 14:06:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2006 14:06:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 14:06:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <838703.19452.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.108 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=jVSEHoOos3BkFEfao4EuRCVKt6QaBnggGYqujABlFeYpUabm X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell wrote: > > Ok but I still don't understand why they all of a > sudden bring back CQUAM on an HD radio. If they are > doing that then why have they not included CQUAM > standard in all AM's since it was voted in as > standard? Thats my point. Why now, why the Accurian > table radio. Why not back in 1993 or whenever it was > that they finally mandated that CQUAM was the > standard. Thats what i'm asking.=20=20 Probably the same reason the new Sangean includes RDS....and has an auto clock setting function....SET BY RDS! Real time on an RDS encoder is set externally and will drift. The time code sent out on HD is set via GPS and won't drift. So they set time via RDS. Go figure. Who knows what goes through the manufacturers heads? Tom Ray WOR From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 27 07:38:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79755 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2006 15:38:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2006 15:38:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.38) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2006 15:38:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 90821 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Dec 2006 15:24:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: J4HosIwVM1m4IStngmJBGURSdyCTTlRUVr8Z_I8yIQdTCZ35HscoSgpSrBIE6Ke8XuoSEz59TIojvWfJJ9d0iSFC7F_bAr4oP8yL50pUWdVPVOrsIGZy_hNWWOWWV4m1qZQCDXHP Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 07:24:31 PST Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 07:24:31 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <405715.90423.qm@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: GE Super Radio now RCA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=CMlYHKaAP7CTXfkhb1-LtiblspYssvIR2-RfWb6f8_Hb5hZzkZNb X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Guys, The GE Super Radio is now being sold under the RCA badge. I came across it accidentally. You can find it here http://www.abcwarehouse.com/product_catalog/pc_proddetails.asp~assort_id~1317~prod_ID~43501 and a larger pic of it here: http://www.abcwarehouse.com/product_catalog/pc_pop_prodphoto.asp~prod_id~43501 Not to worry though, As you may know GE and RCA are really the same thing, Thomson Consumer Electronics. While I am commenting on their products let me take the time to mention another small radio that they offer that has good sound and reception. That is the RCA RP7664A which is analog AM/FM with a 4 inch speaker, AC cord comes with it, and it operates on 4 AA batteries. It also has a carry handle and metal telescoping antenna. Nice small package and sounds really good. Decent DX too. I think Thomson probably makes most of their radios about the same. This radio is also sold under the GE badge as well but I don't have the GE version's model number. They are identical. Ok enough radio digest for the day. -Kevin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Dec 27 07:55:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62454 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2006 15:52:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2006 15:52:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52205.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.128) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2006 15:52:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 37893 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Dec 2006 15:52:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: OHcEll4VM1nwKJGJGJnvdvtF7T_vwp.ndv6w4GQLUm0VKJMhc06g1DcVDKbfkF03CA-- Received: from [12.76.217.139] by web52205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 07:52:17 PST Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 07:52:17 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <405715.90423.qm@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <495562.36860.qm@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} GE Super Radio now RCA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=4UnMjQKul2BigPU93Y1leAZIaupunDq8aJt91HlEMV4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > Guys, > > The GE Super Radio is now being sold under the RCA > badge. I came across it accidentally. > Not to worry though, As you may know GE and RCA are > really the same thing, Thomson Consumer Electronics. I think they have both GE and RCA models. Now, the TV line RCA and GE was sold to a Chinese group. > While I am commenting on their products let me take > the time to mention another small radio that they > offer that has good sound and reception. That is > the > RCA RP7664A which is analog AM/FM with a 4 inch > speaker, AC cord comes with it, and it operates on 4 > AA batteries. It also has a carry handle and metal > telescoping antenna. Nice small package and sounds > really good. Decent DX too. I think Thomson > probably > makes most of their radios about the same. This > radio > is also sold under the GE badge as well but I don't > have the GE version's model number. They are > identical. Ok enough radio digest for the day. > -Kevin If you want to have a GE radio that most likely was their BEST effort EVER, it's the old P-780. GE decided to make a portable that would rival the BEST tube type radio and most likely they were also aiming at table tops. The audio driver and output was matched and the speaker to the cabinet. This radio was made in the late 50's early 60's. The bass response (and not boomy) makes my Philco console with the 12 inch speaker blush. It's not as wide as the GE SRIII in wide mode but it's a spectacular radio. It would do up to 750 hours on carbon zinc batteries of that time. I never put alkaline batteries in mine. That makes the radio too heavy. The only real faults are the leather handle is too flimsy for the radio and the battery door design is a disaster. There is NO headphone or external speaker connection. Powell NNNN! From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 27 08:27:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42965 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2006 16:22:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2006 16:22:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.37) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2006 16:22:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 94969 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Dec 2006 16:22:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4o3SWWYVM1kYlT6_ZPafubDDk4p0u4E3VQ2I1Z8G2KPp8hvKVOrMod46ypl9ebQLVNwQkTE5aJoOfVpF88GnZMhfZt5WddwhcQ9_OzcVa5fER8mS4uw4SxnAhfyyHXjepqcwq3K4 Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 08:22:10 PST Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 08:22:10 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <495562.36860.qm@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <150821.94845.qm@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} GE Super Radio now RCA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=hGA0068V7_aTqsVPs9SnnkVI8DJJNJvatfWzTSOtlIeZNjLFHp1Y X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Powell, Yeah I've seen those radios on ebay before. They were quite the rage back then. All I can say is that eventhough RCA and GE are about the same, the radios they make are decent as compared to some other similarly priced radios. That little RCA I have pulls stations in good with good fidelity and there's no hiss or noise. It's just simple yet plays decent. Are you involved with any radio stations AM or FM? Was just curious. I know some of the guys on here are broadcasters. Ok hope that helps about the radios. I just knew that some were looking for super radios but there was some complaints about not being able to find them. I thought that was another way someone could get one and it was cheap too at $39.97. Most that i've seen were $49.97. Anyway hope it helps. -Kevin --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Kevin Bell wrote: > > > Guys, > > > > The GE Super Radio is now being sold under the RCA > > badge. I came across it accidentally. > > > Not to worry though, As you may know GE and RCA > are > > really the same thing, Thomson Consumer > Electronics. > > > I think they have both GE and RCA models. Now, the > TV > line RCA and GE was sold to a Chinese group. > > > > While I am commenting on their products let me > take > > the time to mention another small radio that they > > offer that has good sound and reception. That is > > the > > RCA RP7664A which is analog AM/FM with a 4 inch > > speaker, AC cord comes with it, and it operates on > 4 > > AA batteries. It also has a carry handle and > metal > > telescoping antenna. Nice small package and > sounds > > really good. Decent DX too. I think Thomson > > probably > > makes most of their radios about the same. This > > radio > > is also sold under the GE badge as well but I > don't > > have the GE version's model number. They are > > identical. Ok enough radio digest for the day. > > > -Kevin > > > If you want to have a GE radio that most likely was > their BEST effort EVER, it's the old P-780. GE > decided > to make a portable that would rival the BEST tube > type > radio and most likely they were also aiming at table > tops. The audio driver and output was matched and > the > speaker to the cabinet. This radio was made in the > late 50's early 60's. The bass response (and not > boomy) makes my Philco console with the 12 inch > speaker blush. It's not as wide as the GE SRIII in > wide mode but it's a spectacular radio. It would do > up > to 750 hours on carbon zinc batteries of that time. > I > never put alkaline batteries in mine. That makes the > radio too heavy. The only real faults are the > leather > handle is too flimsy for the radio and the battery > door design is a disaster. There is NO headphone or > external speaker connection. > > Powell > > > > NNNN! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Dec 27 10:13:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82526 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2006 18:12:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2006 18:11:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52210.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.133) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2006 18:11:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 52698 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Dec 2006 18:08:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: U7r36t0VM1lrZkskwzY9v7H9ge9LI40vgXzl2M7mAfVSKGM7V5phTDGtNkHNn7.OOVYoemdCylEpPFBRRyzUrxuJj91epPCR2kx0qyNWnhcYMlv.cCbMYBi.UIcII0MM6xxleqfHv.6sZIw- Received: from [12.76.217.231] by web52210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 10:08:55 PST Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 10:08:55 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <150821.94845.qm@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <106908.52191.qm@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} GE Super Radio now RCA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=e5-pJoe-6lWJEA29n8tg99sD1olDE8fCTXBdgrOmAWU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > Powell, > > Yeah I've seen those radios on ebay before. They > were quite the rage back then. I expect that the P-780 was very expensive. Zenith made some very nice portables. Some of them are exceptionally sensitive. There were some late 60's RCA's with a tuned RF stage that were amazing. All I can say is that > eventhough RCA and GE are about the same, the radios > they make are decent as compared to some other > similarly priced radios. That little RCA I have > pulls > stations in good with good fidelity and there's no > hiss or noise. It's just simple yet plays decent. Some of the Phillips portable CD / cassette boom box radios have decent receive. > Are you involved with any radio stations AM or FM? I have worked full and part time at WKDK 1240 in Newberry for 40 years. I'm not helping them now, but as I'm moving closer in I guess I will again. Powell NNNN! From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Dec 27 10:44:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44181 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2006 18:44:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2006 18:44:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao10.cox.net) (68.230.241.29) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2006 18:44:51 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061227184329.BFYB20715.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 13:43:29 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 3uil1W00B2DrW980000000; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 13:42:45 -0500 In-Reply-To: <02a101c72955$6bff9760$516e5b04@PossumHunter> References: <20061227010137.11589.qmail@web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <02a101c72955$6bff9760$516e5b04@PossumHunter> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 1 Message-Id: <8DB53740-C36C-40F4-B03D-8FE8AAABB602@cox.net> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 10:43:28 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Name X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=4GhWnqKkZN0r-shV0QEzLZ0mN-Zm3PjWzcxlZTIQJ-jpox44H7ntLLPvCD7q X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How does the Sangean do on FM? Is it close at all to tuners, such as the Carver TX11b, that can pick out stations clearly that are right next to each other? On Dec 26, 2006, at 5:22 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > and I will ship you the Sangean HDT-1 I just purchased > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Dec 27 10:45:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28010 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2006 18:45:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2006 18:45:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao11.cox.net) (68.230.241.28) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2006 18:45:46 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao11.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061227184457.ZWXD25875.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 13:44:57 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 3ukC1W00Z2DrW980000000; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 13:44:13 -0500 In-Reply-To: <016901c72960$16b972c0$d503fea9@stodd> References: <153176.73857.qm@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <05555999-68D4-459D-9E76-497C03A40709@cox.net> <016901c72960$16b972c0$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <70D8777A-CB37-49C5-AA15-F955E90444E5@cox.net> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 10:44:56 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which HD radios have C-Quam? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=sx2jeogsltBdOPmJlkH-Uwt8QS4zZwQcmNQVsSQ1wu66jwtPtPZQCqvFxWhE X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just got mine for Christmas. I might be exchanging it, though, as it likes to lock up when transitioning to AM HD when it is first plugged in. So I can test the new one. Richard On Dec 26, 2006, at 6:38 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > I wonder if we have production run differences? IIRC, you've had > yours for > awhile, Richard. Might be that it was added later? I suppose the > best way > to tell is to bring your Alfredo lite transmitter (assuming you > have one) > with you along with a pocket CD player and see if the ones at your > local > store have the hidden CQUAM feature. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Wagoner" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 6:09 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which HD radios have C-Quam? > > > The RS Accuruan that I have does not appear to do anything with C- > > QUAM. It does open up the bandwidth a bit after a while if a low > > volume is fed into the Chris Cuff transmitter, but it is most > > definitely not getting stereo. > > > > On Dec 26, 2006, at 3:13 PM, John P. wrote: > > > > > So, it appears that the Sangean HDT-1 apparently has C-Quam - > have we > > > determined if the Radio Shack model has CQuam as well? > > > > > > Any of the HD car radios have CQuam, or just tabletop rig(s)? > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Dec 27 13:22:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3639 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2006 21:20:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2006 21:20:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2006 21:20:30 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.104.42.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.104.42] helo=PossumHunter) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GzgAd-0003up-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:18:43 -0500 Message-ID: <017801c729fc$95de4de0$2a685b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <20061227010137.11589.qmail@web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <02a101c72955$6bff9760$516e5b04@PossumHunter> <8DB53740-C36C-40F4-B03D-8FE8AAABB602@cox.net> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:09:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Name X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=9PW6ectch2obdh4TtdzN0etAY8c7zENEdLRZyH6M4dEpsDT6OhI5varOGKYiWg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Richard Wagoner wrote: > How does the Sangean do on FM? Ain't got it yet. > > Is it close at all to tuners, such as the Carver TX11b, that can pick out > stations clearly that are right next to each other? If you want a tuner that can pick out close together stations, get a Magnum Dynalab FT-101a. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Dec 27 13:24:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83110 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2006 21:22:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2006 21:22:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2006 21:22:31 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.104.42.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.104.42] helo=PossumHunter) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GzgAe-0003up-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:18:45 -0500 Message-ID: <017901c729fc$96ee5e50$2a685b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <633440.31704.qm@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:12:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Name X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=geC3rLwJitAIo_As4aFOGwicYRqnXiveMOoyJ5IN3DWHicVsc0e8ItxsUzrQxg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: > No my friend you gotta search for your own treasures yourself! YOU are the one that is not happy with my choice of radios, so YOU buy me a "Real C-QUAM tuner". I am satisfied with my choice of the Sangean HDT-1. If YOU want me to have anything different, YOU buy it for me. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jjlehmann@comcast.net Wed Dec 27 13:52:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53033 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2006 21:52:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2006 21:52:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc12.comcast.net) (204.127.200.82) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2006 21:52:10 -0000 Received: from dhpp0db1 (c-24-218-84-51.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.218.84.51]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20061227211232012004j3joe>; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 21:12:32 +0000 To: Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:12:30 -0500 Message-ID: <009701c729fb$b8396dd0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <8DB53740-C36C-40F4-B03D-8FE8AAABB602@cox.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Accp5xiVT3D9eTrETAGueu0H6IM8DQAFC3qQ X-Originating-IP: 204.127.200.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} New Name X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394; y=O6TOkK4DAAfeyUx-Gw24aF75SnReImRmeyYcde89G_U X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn > How does the Sangean do on FM? Is it close at all to tuners, such as > The Carver TX11b, that can pick out stations clearly that are right > next to each other? The HDT-1 is quite selective on FM. At times, I'm able to receive 103.5 WQBJ near Albany, NY (193 miles away) right next to 103.3 WODS 21 miles away (not running IBOC, if they were, forget it). This is without any tropo conditions. I'm looking forward to seeing how it does next summer. The AM section is much better than the Boston Acoustics, as it doesn't get overloaded as easily when attached to a large outside antenna. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From amfmtech@yahoo.com Wed Dec 27 15:06:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94434 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2006 23:03:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2006 23:03:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56808.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.82) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2006 23:03:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 97326 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Dec 2006 23:03:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .osUAs4VM1k4jGKqcwFivLznt1oKeKly6_WzuUI.8A1TsLY5qo8d1FjwTJVJ5Sky2.XfubBOFSsNw889NLlj_xbtLfmmCaXiXUEpmDYrOdQZ_4LKDc__38xLTaguVIjcmQ97McbnpvH4nMc- Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56808.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 15:03:03 PST Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 15:03:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <01b201c72883$e84a2ab0$6f6e5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <421976.96916.qm@web56808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=3_w2F9lz5b-KyauG16-fXxiAXkHh2e-9yJTAlBUI_A_6HjY X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No problem. I can't read what the values are, so the original document was probably posted that way so nobody could read it. Thanks for the try. I did appreciate the effort. ...Harold Possum Hunter wrote: Harold Richards wrote: > Any chance that this can be rescanned at a higher DPI? None of the values > can be read. Sorry I found that on http://part15.us/node/474 I have no original to scan. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmtech@yahoo.com Wed Dec 27 15:29:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33030 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2006 23:27:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2006 23:27:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56814.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.88) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2006 23:27:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 7265 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Dec 2006 23:27:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GtWJsBoVM1lODIz3CZN.32S_lJ1rK.Bh.1o3IKjcBod1VOaK66ShHC8HwrHHlkckChKq.Yh4m1wKAFhjRhRoYqXU0.x7JRCb2P.IIDZuwV52YBrWCj40c2M2B9jj2vFKhJUyO5O6dofjw1wwHX7d._3IcXmEPVaHSrtRHYkGk6plA1El9ec6MivEH84A Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56814.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 15:27:07 PST Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 15:27:07 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20061226025301.51245.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <694459.7252.qm@web56814.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo capable HD Radio reciever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=IQdvYC84ko6-06rS5jSTRibUBKJLm8KnCsbgghkoECOUwkE X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CDs, like MP3s, can be made to sound good, or bad, depending on the competence or incompetence of the person making the original recording. Same with APE or FLAC files. But a big problem among media exchanges is that some people can not hear the poor quality. I have come to believe that about twenty-five percent of the population can't tell a studio master recording played on JBL studio monitors from a 56 k download of music. This especially applies to the younger generation that have never heard correctly reproduced audio on a sound system. Their only sense of audio benchmark comes from three inch computer speakers. ...Harold __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmtech@yahoo.com Wed Dec 27 16:25:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92926 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2006 00:25:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2006 00:25:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56804.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.78) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2006 00:25:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 70540 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Dec 2006 00:24:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: nnG1BQgVM1mEicbkP9GVAcRQgJr2n2AnJwuhsdmjuM3KQmEuFQmawstLPzwWlFy9Awci9dtzMZSeaFc3Sw3_5_nIqr9pf8ryUkiKNBrhdIoB3XbgKs7rVDLFe.2Qbm_AkWv0xg8P1lR71TY- Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56804.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:24:45 PST Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:24:45 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <405715.90423.qm@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <425114.70501.qm@web56804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.78 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} GE Super Radio now RCA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=75HpXP8dDyV5z7ORRV9d-dlihjsop78ksBvl-jlmWyvyDhM X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That is common. RCA and GE are pretty much the same with agreements to market under each others name. Phillips and Panasonic, Burle and RCA, Symetrix and Audiometrics, do the same, just to name a few. I wish the Superradio III had the same specs as the Superradio II. The Superradio II had a better front end for AM, but the FM side stunk. ...Harold Kevin Bell wrote: Guys, The GE Super Radio is now being sold under the RCA badge. I came across it accidentally. You can find it here http://www.abcwarehouse.com/product_catalog/pc_proddetails.asp~assort_id~1317~prod_ID~43501 and a larger pic of it here: http://www.abcwarehouse.com/product_catalog/pc_pop_prodphoto.asp~prod_id~43501 Not to worry though, As you may know GE and RCA are really the same thing, Thomson Consumer Electronics. While I am commenting on their products let me take the time to mention another small radio that they offer that has good sound and reception. That is the RCA RP7664A which is analog AM/FM with a 4 inch speaker, AC cord comes with it, and it operates on 4 AA batteries. It also has a carry handle and metal telescoping antenna. Nice small package and sounds really good. Decent DX too. I think Thomson probably makes most of their radios about the same. This radio is also sold under the GE badge as well but I don't have the GE version's model number. They are identical. Ok enough radio digest for the day. -Kevin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Dec 27 17:32:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73335 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2006 01:31:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2006 01:31:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao01.cox.net) (68.230.241.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2006 01:31:43 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061228013038.TSSN9173.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 20:30:38 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 41Vr1W00W2DrW980000000; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 20:29:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <009701c729fb$b8396dd0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> References: <009701c729fb$b8396dd0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> Message-Id: <1D83C1B3-A2C0-4C92-B158-2EBF0EA8061B@cox.net> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:30:34 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Name X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=V6xALz29Ri4b_YTGrnxMw2uKoHqjesk4vIqo6Z1boKg9sTS4JxILTPSjNZLx X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That actually sounds pretty good. I may pick one up and sell the Carver. On Dec 27, 2006, at 1:12 PM, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > > How does the Sangean do on FM? Is it close at all to tuners, such as > > The Carver TX11b, that can pick out stations clearly that are right > > next to each other? > > The HDT-1 is quite selective on FM. At times, I'm able to receive > 103.5 WQBJ > near Albany, NY (193 miles away) right next to 103.3 WODS 21 miles > away (not > running IBOC, if they were, forget it). This is without any tropo > conditions. I'm looking forward to seeing how it does next summer. > > The AM section is much better than the Boston Acoustics, as it > doesn't get > overloaded as easily when attached to a large outside antenna. > > Jeff Lehmann > Hanson, MA > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mrcomment@yahoo.com Wed Dec 27 19:16:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mrcomment@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95069 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2006 03:15:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2006 03:15:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.170) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2006 03:15:07 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n8.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2006 03:14:48 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2006 03:14:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2006 03:14:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 03:14:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <017901c729fc$96ee5e50$2a685b04@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.139.188.48 From: "mrcomment" Subject: Re: New Name X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193606338; y=JOahWaHxT2GmxAwrt5FO__x4oMftMed3_ODhZqbxBmLcD0XH X-Yahoo-Profile: mrcomment --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > Kevin Bell wrote: > > No my friend you gotta search for your own treasures yourself! >=20 > YOU are the one that is not happy with my choice of radios, so YOU=20 buy me a=20 > "Real C-QUAM tuner". I am satisfied with my choice of the Sangean=20 HDT-1. If=20 > YOU want me to have anything different, YOU buy it for me. >=20 > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a=20 mathematical=20 > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard=20 Kahn > Can you point to a definitive source that says the Sangean radio has=20 C-QUAM? As far I know, it uses the TI chipset, and the TI=20 implementation definitely does *NOT* have C-QUAM. I'd like to be=20 wrong about this one... From jjlehmann@comcast.net Wed Dec 27 20:03:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70382 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2006 04:03:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2006 04:03:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc13.comcast.net) (204.127.200.83) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2006 04:03:32 -0000 Received: from dhpp0db1 (c-24-218-84-51.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.218.84.51]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2006122803370501300of1kbe>; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 03:37:05 +0000 To: Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 22:37:04 -0500 Message-ID: <00b801c72a31$7177a8e0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AccqLoTnwlP+yzDjTG+mU6Ppckw39AAAeGuQ X-Originating-IP: 204.127.200.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: New Name X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394; y=6pVLp9Iqy9sfbN0y0mJX0i-0Jrm_BAgrp39fEfqHMtI X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn > Can you point to a definitive source that says the Sangean radio has > C-QUAM? As far I know, it uses the TI chipset, and the TI > implementation definitely does *NOT* have C-QUAM. I'd like to be > wrong about this one... If I'm wrong, I certainly do apologize. I don't post here very often, and I'm not a radio engineer, it's all just a hobby for me at this point. I just don't know how I could be getting sound like that from WJIB on the HDT-1 if it did not decode C-Quam. If you haven't yet, please listen to the audio clips I posted: WJIB: http://home.comcast.net/~jjlehmann/WJIB2.mp3 Alfredo Lite: http://home.comcast.net/~jjlehmann/HDT1-AMStereo.mp3 Did I somehow end up with some kind of special tuner that was never supposed to make it out of the Sangean lab? Do I win a prize for having this "special" tuner? Hopefully the word will get around for other people with these things to give it a try. Jeff Lehmann - N1ZZN Hanson, MA From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Dec 28 01:18:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1536 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2006 09:18:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2006 09:18:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.28) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2006 09:18:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 4821 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Dec 2006 09:17:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20061228091736.4819.qmail@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: g6nVMpIVM1kijbS19SpYp7G37UO_ZgZFSGFPzpd7GPufn0QrlwdsA72kgIliG4PC8K20QMGKWnKwpG8wWuaeOTYm7y2jrkjWZ5jXJxuZXjP4IqF.Ck0wTAvyvyGXK.4NAjl.UYOUCXSAcRGB1DJIllq4U64- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 01:17:36 PST Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 01:17:36 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <106908.52191.qm@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} GE Super Radio now RCA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=UP3PK16_Xjz5Z7YtiYT12zLgzYCaQcgG-ss-B53yLhsWVeTKTk6n X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Thats cool, just wondered! --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Kevin Bell wrote: > > > Powell, > > > > Yeah I've seen those radios on ebay before. They > > were quite the rage back then. > > I expect that the P-780 was very expensive. Zenith > made some very nice portables. Some of them are > exceptionally sensitive. There were some late 60's > RCA's with a tuned RF stage that were amazing. > > > All I can say is that > > eventhough RCA and GE are about the same, the > radios > > they make are decent as compared to some other > > similarly priced radios. That little RCA I have > > pulls > > stations in good with good fidelity and there's no > > hiss or noise. It's just simple yet plays decent. > > Some of the Phillips portable CD / cassette boom box > radios have decent receive. > > > > Are you involved with any radio stations AM or FM? > > > I have worked full and part time at WKDK 1240 in > Newberry for 40 years. I'm not helping them now, but > as I'm moving closer in I guess I will again. > > > Powell > > NNNN! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 28 04:27:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19831 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2006 12:26:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2006 12:26:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.135) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2006 12:26:24 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2006 12:24:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2006 12:24:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2006 12:24:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 12:24:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00b801c72a31$7177a8e0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.140.173.191 From: "Jeff" Subject: {AMSF} Re: New Name X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=236606698; y=j1Sknt3ZBG3PftrxOeiH-pIOEHgsVapgwbnKTyjQelwS5R6P7tza6W1G6NbgaIYKiGM X-Yahoo-Profile: jeff7472000 The audio certainly sounds like stereo to me, and I guess I shouldn't=20 be surprised that Sangean would incorporate C-QUAM into their=20 product, because I remember them making the SR-66 AM Stereo/FM Stereo=20 personal portable radio, one of which I owned---my fun with it didn't=20 last very long because the dial cord popped off of one of the flimsy=20 nylon pulleys, and so many of the electronics makers of more recent=20 times think THEY are the only ones who can fix their products. Aside from this, the Sangean did have a good sound to it, and I liked=20 it that this radio had separate tuning and stereo indicators. All of this was back in the early 90's, when we had two AM Stereo=20 stations here in Wichita: KFDI-1070 (country) and KFH-1330 (oldies),=20 but both stations have since undergone changes in ownership, call=20 letters and formats, which also meant the end of AM Stereo, the same=20 pathetic thing that's happened in the rest of the country. = =20 = =20 = =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Lehmann"=20 wrote: > > > Can you point to a definitive source that says the Sangean radio=20 has=20 > > C-QUAM? As far I know, it uses the TI chipset, and the TI=20 > > implementation definitely does *NOT* have C-QUAM. I'd like to be=20 > > wrong about this one...=20 >=20 > If I'm wrong, I certainly do apologize. I don't post here very=20 often, and > I'm not a radio engineer, it's all just a hobby for me at this=20 point. I just > don't know how I could be getting sound like that from WJIB on the=20 HDT-1 if > it did not decode C-Quam. If you haven't yet, please listen to the=20 audio > clips I posted: >=20 > WJIB: http://home.comcast.net/~jjlehmann/WJIB2.mp3 > Alfredo Lite: http://home.comcast.net/~jjlehmann/HDT1-AMStereo.mp3 >=20 > Did I somehow end up with some kind of special tuner that was never=20 supposed > to make it out of the Sangean lab? Do I win a prize for having this > "special" tuner? Hopefully the word will get around for other=20 people with > these things to give it a try. >=20 > Jeff Lehmann - N1ZZN > Hanson, MA > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Dec 28 07:09:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42853 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2006 15:06:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2006 15:06:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2006 15:06:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 70988 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Dec 2006 15:05:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20061228150518.70986.qmail@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: DvVxWksVM1lRCkUob7Njp._933lvfUTGb2bIUymCEgy3YYF2zSQQJrqMdHu3b2uVOnbgzgL1rNOrZVHgUpJ9ZdVv43..CNhVDkod91YpMaUeib0961sFvLpA6asdhnBo805JfWfsoeCw_mGYMLByFHwSlv0huVkSirAkyZwa_8wi80N21L34TcZ_ Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 07:05:18 PST Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 07:05:18 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=j4LYyC6fu1AwQK9N_KUsBGK6R6MVtaq9A1dgS1rktEB0snVBp3rGTj8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio From a Detroit area engineer (Taylor, MI) "I spent some time in Taylor over the holiday and setup my Accurian HD radio. The results are less than stellar. You practically have to be next door to the tower to get HD radio to work. Basically you need 60 dBu get HD to lock on at all and 73 dBu to 83 dBu to get it to work reliably on FM. (My case in point is WMXD and WVMV were basically unstable in southern Wayne county! WOMC and WKQI didn't work at all! HD seems to favor the stations with higher antenna heights.) On AM results are even worse, basically you need 74 dBu get HD to lock on at all and 83 dBu to 93 dBu to get it to work reliably on AM. (My case in point is WRDT was unstable in southern Wayne county! WFDF hardly ever locked on!)" (my summary: he had a chart, and 1/3 of the stations with excellent analog signals, had an unusable HD signal, and 1/3 had an intermittant digital signal, and 1/3 had an excellent HD signal (but bad audio processing). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mspproductions@gmail.com Thu Dec 28 07:47:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mspproductions@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64806 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2006 15:47:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2006 15:47:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.183) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2006 15:47:24 -0000 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a29so2442750pyi for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 07:47:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.75.1 with SMTP id c1mr28571511pyl.1167320833864; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 07:47:13 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [75.24.12.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 15sm70794440nzn.2006.12.28.07.47.13; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 07:47:13 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.2.061213 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:47:11 -0500 To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Wondering what AM Stereo stations I might get Thread-Index: Accql2/zrlNqrZaKEdugaAADk639Qg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Matt Patoray Subject: Wondering what AM Stereo stations I might get X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272439332; y=Fb17gR4YLdz4hmp1myRTMza7sKGzAiFPl2BKlmSuz93llk0 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_patoray Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I am, thinking of getting that new Sangean radio and was kind of wondering what C-QUAM I might get. I live in northeast Ohio near Youngstown, and all the stations here in Ohio and northwest PA are AM Mono only. I would be willing to hang an outdoor antenna ( I would like some suggestions in that realm also). Thank you for your time. Matt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Dec 28 09:33:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74568 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2006 17:32:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2006 17:32:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.36) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2006 17:32:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 2838 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Dec 2006 17:20:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: qWK._KAVM1nL0D8sKrCU7UePDU1Z.jvNkL37eJPnIaAtRRuVMEB6SedfTAftjcGWjXSqbObR3Z72RqDgwKoTvULgTICQag9E.8ypttSEyh4Jj50xoY7wdRFUVJNnzbzXWa3qorIDZ.aTV2CPuHlbfsQxMftfe88d2XqcBwe7Ruv9wNSiDbZJNPHMqx8ZFTZMAKw5jJJs Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 09:20:09 PST Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 09:20:09 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20061228150518.70986.qmail@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <629395.2076.qm@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=wvqrSremi96eyvDeKAiobGeuzYdi0JTtsRlic-GfcjN7yOsCvNkZ X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke And the whole time i've been saying, piece of junk but no one would ever confirm if the thing had CQUAM circuitry. Even if it did it still sounds like a cheap piece of junk. I've said that all along. --- "John P." wrote: > From a Detroit area engineer (Taylor, MI) > "I spent some time in Taylor over the holiday and > setup my Accurian HD > radio. The results are less than stellar. You > practically have to be > next door to the tower to get HD radio to work. > > Basically you need 60 dBu get HD to lock on at all > and 73 dBu to 83 dBu > to get it to work reliably on FM. (My case in point > is WMXD and WVMV > were basically unstable in southern Wayne county! > WOMC and WKQI didn't > work at all! HD seems to favor the stations with > higher antenna > heights.) > > On AM results are even worse, basically you need 74 > dBu get HD to lock > on at all and 83 dBu to 93 dBu to get it to work > reliably on AM. (My > case in point is WRDT was unstable in southern Wayne > county! WFDF > hardly ever locked on!)" > > (my summary: he had a chart, and 1/3 of the stations > with excellent > analog signals, had an unusable HD signal, and 1/3 > had an intermittant > digital signal, and 1/3 had an excellent HD signal > (but bad audio > processing). > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Dec 28 09:43:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60872 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2006 17:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2006 17:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao10.cox.net) (68.230.241.29) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2006 17:42:42 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061228174153.BSQJ20715.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 12:41:53 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 4Hh51W00N2DrW980000000; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 12:41:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <629395.2076.qm@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <629395.2076.qm@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <00A7FE4A-2B30-43DB-A8EC-A0C492AD9837@cox.net> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 09:41:48 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=3ooKizZmrtfJYG9DEeW7azhFGa-viyv7qrxmRqnfHNqMjTsokAs2r8yOqTjz X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Accurian I have picks up HD quite well and sounds OK with its own speakers. I've heard better; I've heard worse. Connected to a stereo receiver, it sounds great. Dismissing everything as a piece of junk does not help win arguments. On Dec 28, 2006, at 9:20 AM, Kevin Bell wrote: > And the whole time i've been saying, piece of junk but > no one would ever confirm if the thing had CQUAM > circuitry. Even if it did it still sounds like a > cheap piece of junk. I've said that all along. > > --- "John P." wrote: > > > From a Detroit area engineer (Taylor, MI) > > "I spent some time in Taylor over the holiday and > > setup my Accurian HD > > radio. The results are less than stellar. You > > practically have to be > > next door to the tower to get HD radio to work. > > > > Basically you need 60 dBu get HD to lock on at all > > and 73 dBu to 83 dBu > > to get it to work reliably on FM. (My case in point > > is WMXD and WVMV > > were basically unstable in southern Wayne county! > > WOMC and WKQI didn't > > work at all! HD seems to favor the stations with > > higher antenna > > heights.) > > > > On AM results are even worse, basically you need 74 > > dBu get HD to lock > > on at all and 83 dBu to 93 dBu to get it to work > > reliably on AM. (My > > case in point is WRDT was unstable in southern Wayne > > county! WFDF > > hardly ever locked on!)" > > > > (my summary: he had a chart, and 1/3 of the stations > > with excellent > > analog signals, had an unusable HD signal, and 1/3 > > had an intermittant > > digital signal, and 1/3 had an excellent HD signal > > (but bad audio > > processing). > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Thu Dec 28 10:15:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39009 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2006 18:11:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2006 18:11:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.104) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2006 18:11:40 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n10.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2006 18:10:41 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2006 18:10:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2006 18:10:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:10:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.184.96.32 From: "Mike" Subject: Accurian CQUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087; y=O-6rM5s476kdPKvIZ0I5VozkY-gQhwhMxShj3edGFW0Ji0v6 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio I can tell you that there is seperation on CQuam stations with the=20 Accurian. The signal for WREF is not good enough to have consistant=20 seperation, but it is in and out for a few seconds. It's as if the Accurian is in a "forced stereo" mode all the time and=20 I think it does have the same chipset as the Sangean. I offer this.=20=20 Check out the displays... and Sangean has made stuff for Rat Shack=20 before. http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/accurian-tabletop-hd- radio-unboxing-and-grope-212141.php http://cgi.ebay.com/SANGEAN-HDT-1-Component-AM-FM-Tuner-with-HD- Radio_W0QQitemZ250067339587QQihZ015QQcategoryZ3282QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Dec 28 11:01:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23064 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2006 19:00:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2006 19:00:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.40) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2006 19:00:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 57693 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Dec 2006 19:00:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20061228190025.57691.qmail@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 0FkDDmkVM1k86SKXr6VkZ_V6b.wP4w.bbXgOrodYzk0w8WSKVZHCP1HNF3S2j7p8miAcrwEYk8Pn9FNJr4URyGTStCYHpysXq9ASsmGqEmPlQPsH3BdYtVsUlfdSrgHPEP6I1bmk Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 11:00:25 PST Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 11:00:25 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Accurian CQUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=I4P91eAJZH8V9df17RHYfl125Eh0FgisHco4o1pifu_37mS2ckic X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I think peoples ears are fooling them and they are hearing things they want to hear. I read the whole manual on that thing and it says nothing at all about CQUAM or AM stereo for that fact. Download the manual from the radio shack site. All it talks about is how great HD is and about HD blah blah blah on FM. --- Mike wrote: > I can tell you that there is seperation on CQuam > stations with the > Accurian. The signal for WREF is not good enough to > have consistant > seperation, but it is in and out for a few seconds. > > It's as if the Accurian is in a "forced stereo" mode > all the time and > I think it does have the same chipset as the > Sangean. I offer this. > Check out the displays... and Sangean has made stuff > for Rat Shack > before. > > http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/accurian-tabletop-hd- > radio-unboxing-and-grope-212141.php > > http://cgi.ebay.com/SANGEAN-HDT-1-Component-AM-FM-Tuner-with-HD- > Radio_W0QQitemZ250067339587QQihZ015QQcategoryZ3282QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Dec 28 13:18:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63728 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2006 21:16:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2006 21:16:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52205.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.128) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2006 21:16:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 31736 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Dec 2006 21:14:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: foCzjc0VM1n1X0NXlza6Bs0Z20_aF1y..rGptkI8u51Ou3mG552JhhoH7OfyufwP4gjEqe3t.TI0XhWoeR8RxHi11EIkoCuXr4vouYKVz0_dhKpDR8gTLPi5P2RmLW8n4UsgCMdoQpTMsw-- Received: from [12.76.217.235] by web52205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 13:14:29 PST Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 13:14:29 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00A7FE4A-2B30-43DB-A8EC-A0C492AD9837@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <606273.31733.qm@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=4SKKvUfG_uF9WuseoUWb2P1tXvCqlnXKvP3P0dQsql0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > The Accurian I have picks up HD quite well and > sounds OK with its own > speakers. I've heard better; I've heard worse. > Connected to a stereo > receiver, it sounds great. > > Dismissing everything as a piece of junk does not > help win arguments. And I seriously doubt he's even heard one. Powell NNNN! From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Dec 28 13:57:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73126 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2006 21:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2006 21:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.130) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2006 21:48:22 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2006 21:45:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2006 21:45:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2006 21:45:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:45:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.4 From: "jotape1960" Subject: HD, C-QUAM and Other Herbs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Vt-UxXVcKdgpydMGnBMmz61L68ipfnK2ZGlrLMUEgYw2et0FWQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI AM STEREO GANG!!! I don't know who erased a posting from me about an IBOC test the=20 last December 8, 9 and 10 (3 weekends ago), but it doesn't matter. The test was done with a Sony AM IBOC car radio, installed into an=20 sport Chevrolet (GM), and a chilean IBOC TX (I guess it because I'd=20 never seen the TX myself). The only one thing I knew was the AM TX,=20 in analog mode, has 1kW (1000 Wts). Well, our hearing test revealed the IBOC signal was strong and nice=20 up to 5 or 10 kms (3.1 or 6.2 miles) out from the TX. In other=20 words, it's only enough to an small city area!!! Is it an advanced from the old AM system? A few nights ago I could hear an argentinian AM STEREO station, and=20 believe it or not: IT WAS A REAL STEREO SIGNAL!!! I'm 1500 or 2000=20 kms (932.1 or 1242.7 miles) out from the argentinian TX place and,=20 despite the typical AM band noise, I could hear a very nice and very=20 good separated stereo signal!!! And I could hear it for more than 2=20 hours!!! A very good signal and a very good traditional argentinian=20 music too!!! So, I insist the question: Is the IBOC a real advanced to the AM? Of course, I think: NOOOOOO!!! I don't like the C-QUAM theory of work (I insist Independent Side=20 Bands must be better), but I HEARD A VERY NICE AM STEREO C-QUAM=20 SIGNAL FROM MORE THAN 1000 KMS (621.4 MILES) OUT OF ME!!! IT'S SO=20 GREAT!!! Could the IBOC system be received a lot of miles away the TX (DX=20 mode)? LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AM, MONO OR STEREO!!!!!!! Thanks for the time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Thu Dec 28 14:05:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20582 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2006 22:00:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2006 22:00:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.220) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2006 22:00:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2006 21:58:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2006 21:58:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:58:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20061228190025.57691.qmail@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 170.20.11.116 From: "Mike" Subject: Re: Accurian CQUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087; y=32xp8atlLVoHKoVSisk3ReMJddyaMRA_DdRbeYr47ikJzyrJ X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 wrote: > > I think peoples ears are fooling them and they are > hearing things they want to hear. I read the whole > manual on that thing and it says nothing at all about > CQUAM or AM stereo for that fact. Download the manual > from the radio shack site. All it talks about is how > great HD is and about HD blah blah blah on FM. >=20 What explains the AM Stereo aircheck I just made off the radio? If you=20 want, I can forward you the file and you can judge for yourself. From kjones_731@yahoo.com Thu Dec 28 14:10:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kjones_731@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57683 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2006 22:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2006 22:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.167) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2006 22:04:31 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n7.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2006 22:03:09 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2006 22:03:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2006 22:03:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 22:03:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.167 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.60.198.38 From: "kjones_731" Subject: My Observations on the Accurian HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=58737040; y=Tw67qkNO7fa6ADUCGLSQWSSloXOAcGomno__VE6hcaSA0RFLnQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kjones_731 Living in Columbus, Ohio I can pick up half a dozen FM and 2 AM=20 stations. The sound is great but....... Radio very picky about where=20 the antenna is pointed. I could pick up 700 WLW out of Cincy WITH a C crane outside=20 ferrite=20 antenna ( three bars on signal meter), but if the signal faded at all=20 it went to regular AM. No luck on WRJ in Detroit, strong signal just=20 no=20 HD .=20=20 Local 920 WMNI STEREO was MONO. If you listened thru headphones,=20 you=20 might hear what sounded like platform motion for a monent and a wider=20 bandwidth but thats it. With outside FM I picked up 6 or so local HD stations. With=20 indoor=20 antenna I could get about 4 if I tweaked the direction of the=20 antenna.=20=20 The two local AM stations were ok in HD If you placed the loop in the=20 right direction. In my opinion HD has a way to go. It reminds me of the first=20 cheapie 2 and 3 transistor pocket radios of the late 60's. They=20 picked=20 up your local 10kw AM and that was about it. The tuning on the=20 Accurian is fantastic on AM and FM as far as sound quality and being=20=20 selective. It just has bad hearing on HD. I don' think John Q=20 public=20 has the patience to play radio, they want to turn it on and listen.=20 Is it true that when all radio is HD the sideband carriers will be=20 full power where recption will improve or is this the final setup? If=20 it is the public will turn thumbs down. For now HD radio is a=20 novelity=20 and nothing more.=20=20=20=20=20 From jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 28 14:28:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31440 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2006 22:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2006 22:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.105) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2006 22:20:47 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n10.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2006 22:20:46 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2006 22:20:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2006 22:20:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 22:20:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.105 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.140.173.191 From: "Jeff" Subject: Re: Accurian CQUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=236606698; y=XXbeGj0kgBNpQT1W1gPTTqbpV5pBEsiV_6swE6rt3CIptgVf48nh1d1AxGeiR5GgdxA X-Yahoo-Profile: jeff7472000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" =20 wrote: > It's as if the Accurian is in a "forced stereo" mode all the time and=20 > I think it does have the same chipset as the Sangean. I offer this.=20=20 > Check out the displays... and Sangean has made stuff for Rat Shack=20 > before. "Forced stereo", that was my opinion of the Sony SRF-42 AM Stereo=20 walkman I once owned, even mono AM stations didn't quite sound the same=20 in both channels, I suppose it's a matter of how much passband the=20 station's antenna system is tuned for above and below carrier frequency. After listening to the MP3 from Jeff Lehmann of These Eyes by The Guess=20 Who, I'm convinced that the Sangean tuner decodes C-QUAM. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Dec 28 15:05:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60430 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2006 23:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2006 23:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2006 23:05:29 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.192.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.192] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H04F2-0004z8-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:00:53 -0500 Message-ID: <03c701c72ad4$05a03fd0$c06b5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <629395.2076.qm@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <00A7FE4A-2B30-43DB-A8EC-A0C492AD9837@cox.net> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:00:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=ma88Sc-hIB25A5ulKO37Eb13zkjd3SpcFFxt3Y22NRGcx2H0cxR2p05BfLvGzQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Richard Wagoner wrote: > Dismissing everything as a piece of junk does not help win arguments. True, but it DOES make you look like an idiot. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Dec 28 15:10:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86104 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2006 23:02:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2006 23:02:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2006 23:02:41 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.192.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.192] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H04D8-0004kz-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 17:58:54 -0500 Message-ID: <03c201c72ad3$bf1244a0$c06b5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <629395.2076.qm@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 17:58:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=hFAMmF7iGiP4ZNUADI2KiWSYdt57Q2Efek0V0YzbaKIaFsdzuEa6haoOQCVejw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Have you ever personally listened to the radio? Have you ever personally listened to ANY HD-Radio? Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" To: Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 12:20 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test > And the whole time i've been saying, piece of junk but > no one would ever confirm if the thing had CQUAM > circuitry. Even if it did it still sounds like a > cheap piece of junk. I've said that all along. > > > > > --- "John P." wrote: > >> From a Detroit area engineer (Taylor, MI) >> "I spent some time in Taylor over the holiday and >> setup my Accurian HD >> radio. The results are less than stellar. You >> practically have to be >> next door to the tower to get HD radio to work. >> >> Basically you need 60 dBu get HD to lock on at all >> and 73 dBu to 83 dBu >> to get it to work reliably on FM. (My case in point >> is WMXD and WVMV >> were basically unstable in southern Wayne county! >> WOMC and WKQI didn't >> work at all! HD seems to favor the stations with >> higher antenna >> heights.) >> >> On AM results are even worse, basically you need 74 >> dBu get HD to lock >> on at all and 83 dBu to 93 dBu to get it to work >> reliably on AM. (My >> case in point is WRDT was unstable in southern Wayne >> county! WFDF >> hardly ever locked on!)" >> >> (my summary: he had a chart, and 1/3 of the stations >> with excellent >> analog signals, had an unusable HD signal, and 1/3 >> had an intermittant >> digital signal, and 1/3 had an excellent HD signal >> (but bad audio >> processing). >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From bob_welch550@yahoo.com Thu Dec 28 16:13:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bob_welch550@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84118 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2006 00:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2006 00:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.244) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2006 00:06:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2006 00:03:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2006 00:03:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 00:03:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <560138.58577.qm@web52001.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.19.95.58 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: Disappointing News Story (Canada Abandons Eureka-147) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213592090; y=Nv_BBz2iK74LFhS48GlFiqRfEpfxQ5fnSbjh_GtD50ijjkw4toGx X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 In most places outside of the most major of Canadian cities... Canada=20 is nearly a 1 broadcast band country already (anyway). The initial=20 plan, I recall reading back in the late 90s was to firstly encourage=20 everyone migrate from AM to FM. In places like Saint John and=20 Moncton, NB this has very nearly happened. It's only step two of this=20 which has bombed on the CRTC. Why? Many stations are broadcasting in=20 E-147 in Montreal. (The nearest large Canadian city to me, being in=20 Vermont.) The receivers aren't in the stores. Trust me, I'd buy=20 one... if I could find one. But, that is THE reason... the receivers=20 are not in the stores. As much as I don't like what has transpired with the CRTC's ruling, I=20 don't blame them one bit. Bob Welch from WDEV --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Yeah, and in 1957, F.M. had stalled EVERYWHERE!=20 > If modern attitudes had prevailed then, we'd > STILL only have 1 broadcast band instead of 2.=20 > Shame on the C.R.T.C.. >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com > From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Dec 28 17:43:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8968 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2006 01:38:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2006 01:38:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s17.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.217) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2006 01:38:45 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.13]) by bay0-omc3-s17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 28 Dec 2006 17:38:30 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 17:38:30 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.42 by BAY128-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 01:38:24 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 01:38:24 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2006 01:38:30.0148 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B2BC440:01C72AEA] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.217 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Disappointing News Story (Canada Abandons Eureka-147) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=MD0jj_J1k3sUrziwXc_JLRG1qun9JLWq4tKQGtAxwRbEBkNqhoPTH0QlrTk X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I recall correctly, Radio Shack in Canada was almost giving their Eureka-147 receivers away about 2 years ago as a clearance/discontinued item. I would imagine that other retailers selling the receivers have done the same. I know CHUM 1050 (Toronto) had a promotion with Radio Shack Canada and was really promoting Eureka-147 about 3 or 4 years ago. Donn -----Original Message----- From: Bob Welch Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 7:03 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Disappointing News Story (Canada Abandons Eureka-147) In most places outside of the most major of Canadian cities... Canada is nearly a 1 broadcast band country already (anyway). The initial plan, I recall reading back in the late 90s was to firstly encourage everyone migrate from AM to FM. In places like Saint John and Moncton, NB this has very nearly happened. It's only step two of this which has bombed on the CRTC. Why? Many stations are broadcasting in E-147 in Montreal. (The nearest large Canadian city to me, being in Vermont.) The receivers aren't in the stores. Trust me, I'd buy one... if I could find one. But, that is THE reason... the receivers are not in the stores. As much as I don't like what has transpired with the CRTC's ruling, I don't blame them one bit. Bob Welch from WDEV --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Yeah, and in 1957, F.M. had stalled EVERYWHERE! > If modern attitudes had prevailed then, we'd > STILL only have 1 broadcast band instead of 2. > Shame on the C.R.T.C.. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Thu Dec 28 22:51:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99832 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2006 06:51:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2006 06:51:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2006 06:51:34 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2006 06:49:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2006 06:49:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 06:49:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.184.96.32 From: "Mike" Subject: Re: Accurian CQUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087; y=JBrfZupb3S31hELQ_DcW1A1wr_J9SECVlmYBr16wTVgcQdNA X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" wrote: >=20 > After listening to the MP3 from Jeff Lehmann of These Eyes by The=20 Guess=20 > Who, I'm convinced that the Sangean tuner decodes C-QUAM. > I have a clip from WREF of the Fortunes "You've Got Your Troubles" off=20 the Accurian. There is no doubt it is decoding Cquam. I strongly believe the Sangean and the Accurian have the same tuner.=20=20 From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri Dec 29 00:01:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66172 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2006 08:01:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2006 08:01:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.25) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2006 08:01:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2006 08:00:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2006 08:00:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 08:00:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <421976.96916.qm@web56808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.74.123.163 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=jgYkIDiGMaUXY19Fbo38vcGfdvm_c1fDt_MxjiPWVtE X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 You can take it from here at a viewable resolution=20 http://www.geocities.com/am1098cquam/AlfredoLiteCCuff.gif=20 Regards=20 Sotiris --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Harold Richards =20 wrote: > >=20=20 > No problem. I can't read what the values are, so the original=20 document was probably posted that way so nobody could read it.=20=20 Thanks for the try. I did appreciate the effort. >=20=20=20=20 > ...Harold >=20=20=20 >=20 > Possum Hunter wrote: > Harold Richards wrote: > > Any chance that this can be rescanned at a higher DPI? None of=20 the values=20 > > can be read. >=20 > Sorry I found that on http://part15.us/node/474 I have no original=20 to scan. >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 29 03:25:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34673 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2006 11:24:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2006 11:24:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.210) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2006 11:24:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 84501 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2006 11:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jim8wpwl0kyh37) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@68.72.217.68 with login) by smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2006 11:24:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1fTsia0VM1nDU8jJ._AJNSX32zCR_JQwIdbTYja9Ojzkm9ewyoCkf3nqhq0dxPaQdPtCQvWfz_w8Zw.2Bb4hDCX.HSLltweqNbl5xzNPdbkdqQx7EI2o2gpmIPylfvY8rKAMPDWxm5mwEA-- Message-ID: <000b01c72b3b$d695e100$d50bfea9@jim8wpwl0kyh37> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 03:23:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: Just wondering ????? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=RHUTAQHxs0vG-iD2ov19AQ74m9piOKcJi1hnKK9uoW4Y757MhjSYi_JtKisj32bNwkOoFEWF X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I was just wondering if any of the other HD RADIOS did the same thing??? And i was just wondering if thoughs HD RADIOS decoded any of the other AM STEREO modes like BEL AIR HARRIS MAGNAVOX and KAHN?????? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Dec 29 05:50:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66165 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2006 13:46:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2006 13:46:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.160) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2006 13:46:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 14555 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Dec 2006 13:45:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Vfh.ZB4VM1kZaofHndw07ABcokpIxVyurcD2V3HuiIw5x9SBkFxF7T.9dm3BR_81lkySVNyvnb1eqSn4FwPdTvu2QNXpxVLwL2f7hSFHyOJl2oInEiafz1JZRKh.U7RmWMGDvokjXV4- Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 05:45:40 PST Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 05:45:40 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <415337.13195.qm@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re:My Observations on the ACcurian HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=8IddHm2kG9XU1qNffPEHmco4bol-SbBf_gzQirqdo2Zb_lCmh-z85_s X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio kjones wrote: "Local 920 WMNI STEREO was MONO. If you listened thru headphones, you might hear what sounded like platform motion for a monent and a wider bandwidth but thats it." I write: I have contacted the engineer at WMNI, and he is aware of the mono audio at the moment; his stereo STL crapped-out, so he has L+R audio mono from studio to transmitter now; however, he said that he left the AM stereo pilot ON because he is aware that many AM Stereo receivers open-up the bandwidth when it receives the stereo pilot, so he is leaving the stereo pilot on for now. (Wow, an engineer who actually realizes what AM stereo radios can do - a great thing IMO). Also, WMNI has some damn great audio processing, and some of the best sounding full-bass that I've ever heard on any AM station, mono or stereo, so I'd take WMNI in wide-bandwidth mono anyday of the week. As far as stereo AM goes, can you null-out 1530 Cincy from the South so that you can receive 1540 from the North? WBCO from Bucyrus has some fantastic AM stereo audio if you can swing the antenna towards the North. Also, you'll need to drive an hour north, but you could try your radio on 630 CFCO during the day as well - provided you're not getting IBOC BUZZ from 610 WTVN. It might be worth a trip to Lake Erie to try out your radio - you could test WBCO along the way, and CFCO in CQUam and WJR in IBOC/HD when you get up to the Lake Erie area. Let me know your results! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Dec 29 05:52:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28326 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2006 13:52:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2006 13:52:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2006 13:52:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 35563 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Dec 2006 13:49:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1.CYYykVM1lnqmt443uqi2zWwid5Bwr5FfQYNwgdq25.2EMSdH4mqYlqJ4HpaAc8PEch9gni1NygQWdxcfseth7hR1owYYloBRKZE.Ra9kpAbbV9dE28aRYpVp8lYbr_58dmNoLQrKqABjO9IsPc0SDBShdnu9YDYSsP40xuQ4hzL.pegidMn6y. Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 05:49:31 PST Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 05:49:31 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <292416.34542.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re:Wondering what AM Stereo stations I might get X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=p1gGeyZ1CrIzcEwPTBpZREO7yZOLLcPqlYbhgjURR3qbb5mRPuh3C1U X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Matt P wrote: "Hi all, I am, thinking of getting that new Sangean radio and was kind of wondering what C-QUAM I might get. I live in northeast Ohio near Youngstown, and all the stations here in Ohio and northwest PA are AM Mono only" Matt, as I told another listener, if you can swing an antenna towards Bucyrus (North Central Ohio) you could hear 1540 WBCO in CQuam. Also, the Cleveland area is supposed to be getting two HD AM stations, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that. I'm not sure what your Radio Disney is running in your area, but most (but not all) have converted from CQuam to IBOC on AM. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wa2fnq@optonline.net Fri Dec 29 10:13:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85322 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2006 18:13:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2006 18:13:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.213) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2006 18:13:53 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2006 18:13:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2006 18:13:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2006 18:13:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 18:13:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20061228190025.57691.qmail@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Accurian CQUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=x2yHTiPKhR6oB6hBvnuVNCTuTWln5gcDwBSLX2ubZuX5 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq You read the manual but did you listen to one?? I heard Mike's clip of WREF. It's AM stereo. Take it from a couple=20 of broadcast engineers that know what they're talking about. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 wrote: > > I think peoples ears are fooling them and they are > hearing things they want to hear. I read the whole > manual on that thing and it says nothing at all about > CQUAM or AM stereo for that fact. Download the manual > from the radio shack site. All it talks about is how > great HD is and about HD blah blah blah on FM. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Mike wrote: >=20 > > I can tell you that there is seperation on CQuam > > stations with the=20 > > Accurian. The signal for WREF is not good enough to > > have consistant=20 > > seperation, but it is in and out for a few seconds. > >=20 > > It's as if the Accurian is in a "forced stereo" mode > > all the time and=20 > > I think it does have the same chipset as the > > Sangean. I offer this.=20=20 > > Check out the displays... and Sangean has made stuff > > for Rat Shack=20 > > before. > >=20 > > > http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/accurian- tabletop-hd- > > radio-unboxing-and-grope-212141.php > >=20 > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/SANGEAN-HDT-1-Component-AM-FM-Tuner-with-HD- > > >=20 Radio_W0QQitemZ250067339587QQihZ015QQcategoryZ3282QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewIte m > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com > From rjskadl@yahoo.com Fri Dec 29 11:59:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17341 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2006 19:59:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2006 19:59:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.187) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2006 19:59:15 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n5.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2006 19:57:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2006 19:57:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2006 19:57:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 19:57:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.195.112.206 From: "RJSKADL" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Accurian CQUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919; y=kNzZhF3UfkpZZlTFXcGK6w2D6PefhRdl0IjOFNfbI_dQzQ X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl Here is a sample recorded using an Accurian HD radio of AM 740 up in=20 Boston. AM 740 in Boston is not HD, but is indeed C-Quam playing=20 beautiful music. Listen for yourself at the link below.=20 http://www.theproductionroom.net/accurianstereo.mp3 This link is a re-post from Mike Walker at an HD-Radio board. Also,=20 lest see about getting WGLIradio's WREF sample up there. While=20 WGLIradio's WREF sample is perhaps not recorded under Ideal=20 Conditions, The above link to the audio clip from 740 in Boston=20 leaves no doubt in my mind that the Accurian is capable of AM Stereo. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > You read the manual but did you listen to one?? >=20 > I heard Mike's clip of WREF. It's AM stereo. Take it from a couple=20 > of broadcast engineers that know what they're talking about. >=20 > Jerry WA2FNQ >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 > wrote: > > > > I think peoples ears are fooling them and they are > > hearing things they want to hear. I read the whole > > manual on that thing and it says nothing at all about > > CQUAM or AM stereo for that fact. Download the manual > > from the radio shack site. All it talks about is how > > great HD is and about HD blah blah blah on FM. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --- Mike wrote: > >=20 > > > I can tell you that there is seperation on CQuam > > > stations with the=20 > > > Accurian. The signal for WREF is not good enough to > > > have consistant=20 > > > seperation, but it is in and out for a few seconds. > > >=20 > > > It's as if the Accurian is in a "forced stereo" mode > > > all the time and=20 > > > I think it does have the same chipset as the > > > Sangean. I offer this.=20=20 > > > Check out the displays... and Sangean has made stuff > > > for Rat Shack=20 > > > before. > > >=20 > > > > > http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/accurian- > tabletop-hd- > > > radio-unboxing-and-grope-212141.php > > >=20 > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/SANGEAN-HDT-1-Component-AM-FM-Tuner-with-HD- > > > > >=20 >=20 Radio_W0QQitemZ250067339587QQihZ015QQcategoryZ3282QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewIte > m > > >=20 > > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > From amfmtech@yahoo.com Fri Dec 29 13:13:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53893 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2006 21:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2006 21:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56802.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.76) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2006 21:12:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 34909 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Dec 2006 21:08:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wd9wq3cVM1knWhGt4RvMPnFpQ7iMGa_BpuRFu_qE10lmLdumQlN5emX2U0ihF_Xxyk.TmdXXW9ceYQ4qULluibXljVBGbXPsXo__CDQaP_bjxW8cmIXGxgA4_wsF9rGpdT6R.J6YH1jCN3Ic_oYoilv7zWDAi84qeGwscG1fMBwmdbnAJDUZaBi7TV3tE7_DRMQAmgF4hFc9uplndJo- Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56802.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:08:26 PST Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:08:26 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <264891.34162.qm@web56802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.76 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=H2krba8FU2b0soE06ujld21A4VuSY8Y7wWGjFMUEUxE51yU X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you! I appreciate the link. Do you happen to know what the numbers are of the two chips in the encoding side? Has anyone made just the encoder portion of this and connected it to another exciter or transmitter? I am curious if you could use this on one of those commercially built TIS transmitters by Radio Systems, or an HF rig. ...Harold Sotiris wrote: Hi You can take it from here at a viewable resolution http://www.geocities.com/am1098cquam/AlfredoLiteCCuff.gif Regards Sotiris --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Harold Richards wrote: > > > No problem. I can't read what the values are, so the original document was probably posted that way so nobody could read it. Thanks for the try. I did appreciate the effort. > > ...Harold > > > Possum Hunter wrote: > Harold Richards wrote: > > Any chance that this can be rescanned at a higher DPI? None of the values > > can be read. > > Sorry I found that on http://part15.us/node/474 I have no original to scan. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmtech@yahoo.com Fri Dec 29 13:42:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60477 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2006 21:42:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2006 21:42:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56813.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2006 21:42:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 87177 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Dec 2006 21:40:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5btkNX4VM1nOw1oZ_TNlxdOPYqpf4jEYnYhAJi_GJ64vl5LR4P44UrG6JTgSYFSdJ_7HjCWL6ygPlUwYQc8sP7aZHHlUnShml4SG5gZLQmgr1Z8ZQW7LHL..pFjlKBWdSHgdal2NHpG1V3k- Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56813.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:40:42 PST Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:40:42 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <415337.13195.qm@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <782441.86632.qm@web56813.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.87 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:My Observations on the ACcurian HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=VhU32mbeDBjGV8a3n7No5CvF6kOoT5S6ImmQL2bDG9LYaYI X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can also say that CFCO is very good stereo, and they simulcast with their FM on 92.9 most of the time. You can appreciate how well the AM sounds after listening to a few minutes of music on the FM. IBOC is also on 1200, 950, and possibly 1340 in Detroit as well. And while at the outlet stores in Monroe, Michigan, today, I heard Toledo's WRQN 93.5 advertising they are in HD. The clarity of their analog was not too good on my in dash radio. It sounded very harsh, with little lows. I'm really starting to not appreciate anying Ibiquity is into. ...Harold "John P." wrote: kjones wrote: "Local 920 WMNI STEREO was MONO. If you listened thru headphones, you might hear what sounded like platform motion for a monent and a wider bandwidth but thats it." I write: I have contacted the engineer at WMNI, and he is aware of the mono audio at the moment; his stereo STL crapped-out, so he has L+R audio mono from studio to transmitter now; however, he said that he left the AM stereo pilot ON because he is aware that many AM Stereo receivers open-up the bandwidth when it receives the stereo pilot, so he is leaving the stereo pilot on for now. (Wow, an engineer who actually realizes what AM stereo radios can do - a great thing IMO). Also, WMNI has some damn great audio processing, and some of the best sounding full-bass that I've ever heard on any AM station, mono or stereo, so I'd take WMNI in wide-bandwidth mono anyday of the week. As far as stereo AM goes, can you null-out 1530 Cincy from the South so that you can receive 1540 from the North? WBCO from Bucyrus has some fantastic AM stereo audio if you can swing the antenna towards the North. Also, you'll need to drive an hour north, but you could try your radio on 630 CFCO during the day as well - provided you're not getting IBOC BUZZ from 610 WTVN. It might be worth a trip to Lake Erie to try out your radio - you could test WBCO along the way, and CFCO in CQUam and WJR in IBOC/HD when you get up to the Lake Erie area. Let me know your results! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 29 14:51:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90172 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2006 22:51:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2006 22:51:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.38) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2006 22:51:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 23925 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Dec 2006 22:49:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20061229224924.23923.qmail@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: PSrmVqkVM1kjej.2OZZ0earcT2tQLnTbCq8dV7Ln4nMVhGJxmZd1b53SPMKEpYji2ho2rOrVz1w1.gnycALPaQ_mOPuVC.wRLapKZadFby_JCQFh5_O0O.p9gPbk4dmqqjRMrLNfEgYpKu_A52WicGCOcKRPzILqBhlptZIOuAYhLG5XbfDhFQ-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 14:49:24 PST Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 14:49:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <03c201c72ad3$bf1244a0$c06b5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=PAH6KPhL9TZgdT7gkwUdY5G_EkLu5CVhRi5WVtQJrJ2uWJQYEou1 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I don't need to, it's called compression. I hate MP3's and anything compressed with those formats. It better be CD quality or better before I show any interest. Otherwise i'll just listen to radio the way it is. --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Have you ever personally listened to the radio? Have > you ever personally > listened to ANY HD-Radio? > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Bell" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 12:20 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test > > > > And the whole time i've been saying, piece of junk > but > > no one would ever confirm if the thing had CQUAM > > circuitry. Even if it did it still sounds like a > > cheap piece of junk. I've said that all along. > > > > > > > > > > --- "John P." wrote: > > > >> From a Detroit area engineer (Taylor, MI) > >> "I spent some time in Taylor over the holiday and > >> setup my Accurian HD > >> radio. The results are less than stellar. You > >> practically have to be > >> next door to the tower to get HD radio to work. > >> > >> Basically you need 60 dBu get HD to lock on at > all > >> and 73 dBu to 83 dBu > >> to get it to work reliably on FM. (My case in > point > >> is WMXD and WVMV > >> were basically unstable in southern Wayne county! > >> WOMC and WKQI didn't > >> work at all! HD seems to favor the stations with > >> higher antenna > >> heights.) > >> > >> On AM results are even worse, basically you need > 74 > >> dBu get HD to lock > >> on at all and 83 dBu to 93 dBu to get it to work > >> reliably on AM. (My > >> case in point is WRDT was unstable in southern > Wayne > >> county! WFDF > >> hardly ever locked on!)" > >> > >> (my summary: he had a chart, and 1/3 of the > stations > >> with excellent > >> analog signals, had an unusable HD signal, and > 1/3 > >> had an intermittant > >> digital signal, and 1/3 had an excellent HD > signal > >> (but bad audio > >> processing). > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > __________________________________________________ > >> Do You Yahoo!? > >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > >> protection around > >> http://mail.yahoo.com > >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Dec 29 15:02:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80218 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2006 23:02:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2006 23:02:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2006 23:02:20 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.111.162.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.111.162] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H0QfW-0003mS-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:57:42 -0500 Message-ID: <00c501c72b9c$be54a7a0$a26f5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <20061229224924.23923.qmail@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:57:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=xndFSOkVPeA5kpTkaV7LfVLL4hVCAw8bogsK06vxPrOMKPemMJkhTOayyKVC1Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin Bell wrote: >I don't need to, it's called compression. If you have never listened to the radio, you have ZERO right to comment about the sound quality, or the quality of the radio itself. Please tell me what compression has to do with the radio receiving a C-QUAM broadcast. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jjlehmann@comcast.net Fri Dec 29 15:08:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63941 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2006 23:07:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2006 23:07:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc15.comcast.net) (204.127.200.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2006 23:07:30 -0000 Received: from dhpp0db1 (c-24-218-84-51.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.218.84.51]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc15) with SMTP id <20061229223105015004tsvbe>; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:31:05 +0000 To: Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:31:07 -0500 Message-ID: <013901c72b99$0889d5b0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Accrg9Iplz1ceoOsROWTqdLVthpdKQAFO5wg X-Originating-IP: 204.127.200.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Accurian CQUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394; y=zs6m_ZdSr_QpW8Jgp3ISeCUzXqPg81iBwWotv5xvH0E X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn > Here is a sample recorded using an Accurian HD radio of AM 740 up in > Boston. AM 740 in Boston is not HD, but is indeed C-Quam playing > beautiful music. Listen for yourself at the link below. > http://www.theproductionroom.net/accurianstereo.mp3 That was the recording I made from the Sangean HDT-1, just with a different name! I did post it on another forum, I guess someone misunderstood which tuner I was using, eventhough it was in a thread specifically about the HDT-1. Jeff Lehmann - N1ZZN Hanson, MA From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 29 15:11:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33333 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2006 23:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2006 23:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.27) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2006 23:11:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 21293 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Dec 2006 23:10:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: qtWpl9AVM1lgi7tjC5.ca95xYXi9Ta_C7UlwIuOliD7GPvt0FhBWELTGp663wA5pR2YNrUG8d9ltVi7ZOI51VM6IfUtCQjWtSJdSofKtLDPciyEptmjf8WaTWXPMrT2Rxa0z.do2azJIjVhiGhsPeAdZ39uZF6jQxb__lM674DSA75DV1s7Z6g-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:10:44 PST Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:10:44 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00c501c72b9c$be54a7a0$a26f5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <625057.20228.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=CqDRxL9_NrjfdBhokd4pOynNWORv6bIx7_OlxRkI7-9M2fnyMh8h X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Oh yes I do have the right to comment, it's a free country. What country do you live in may I ask? I am talking about HD radio, thats what. --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Kevin Bell wrote: > >I don't need to, it's called compression. > > If you have never listened to the radio, you have > ZERO right to comment about the sound quality, or > the quality of the radio itself. > > Please tell me what compression has to do with the > radio receiving a C-QUAM broadcast. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in > frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wnmb@sc.rr.com Fri Dec 29 15:12:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57749 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2006 23:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2006 23:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2006 23:12:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2006 23:11:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2006 23:11:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:11:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.211.81.90 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Accurian CQUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=aG0t7affNt4OutGT6yX7nRmSwOhASqJzIvjHFwIDZoHY8A X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Hey guys! I tried to find an Accurian HD radio today in the Myrtle=20 Beach area but there was not one within 75 miles. I did find one in=20 Chapel Hill, N.C. and it is being shipped to me overnight. I should=20 have it by 2 p.m. Saturday. I will tune in our station at AM=20 Stereo 900 and let you know what I hear. It is very exciting that=20 the Accurain could decode and play our C-Quam stereo. It's great=20 news! Bill. wnmb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "RJSKADL" wrote: > >=20 > Here is a sample recorded using an Accurian HD radio of AM 740 up=20 in=20 > Boston. AM 740 in Boston is not HD, but is indeed C-Quam playing=20 > beautiful music. Listen for yourself at the link below.=20 >=20 > http://www.theproductionroom.net/accurianstereo.mp3 >=20 > This link is a re-post from Mike Walker at an HD-Radio board.=20=20 Also,=20 > lest see about getting WGLIradio's WREF sample up there. While=20 > WGLIradio's WREF sample is perhaps not recorded under Ideal=20 > Conditions, The above link to the audio clip from 740 in Boston=20 > leaves no doubt in my mind that the Accurian is capable of AM=20 Stereo. >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > > > You read the manual but did you listen to one?? > >=20 > > I heard Mike's clip of WREF. It's AM stereo. Take it from a=20 couple=20 > > of broadcast engineers that know what they're talking about. > >=20 > > Jerry WA2FNQ > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 > > wrote: > > > > > > I think peoples ears are fooling them and they are > > > hearing things they want to hear. I read the whole > > > manual on that thing and it says nothing at all about > > > CQUAM or AM stereo for that fact. Download the manual > > > from the radio shack site. All it talks about is how > > > great HD is and about HD blah blah blah on FM. > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > --- Mike wrote: > > >=20 > > > > I can tell you that there is seperation on CQuam > > > > stations with the=20 > > > > Accurian. The signal for WREF is not good enough to > > > > have consistant=20 > > > > seperation, but it is in and out for a few seconds. > > > >=20 > > > > It's as if the Accurian is in a "forced stereo" mode > > > > all the time and=20 > > > > I think it does have the same chipset as the > > > > Sangean. I offer this.=20=20 > > > > Check out the displays... and Sangean has made stuff > > > > for Rat Shack=20 > > > > before. > > > >=20 > > > > > > > http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/accurian- > > tabletop-hd- > > > > radio-unboxing-and-grope-212141.php > > > >=20 > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/SANGEAN-HDT-1-Component-AM-FM-Tuner-with- HD- > > > > > > >=20 > >=20 >=20 Radio_W0QQitemZ250067339587QQihZ015QQcategoryZ3282QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewIte > > m > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection=20 around=20 > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Dec 29 15:15:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62494 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2006 23:15:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2006 23:15:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.102) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2006 23:15:40 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n9.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2006 23:14:10 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2006 23:14:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2006 23:14:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:14:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.254.150 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Accurian HD Radio includes AM STEREO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=GSZJaNjqzdGLyT2BP1CY4SYZCy--tMbxEVg-mqXhz9A0ZrDHXw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics You know those IBOC-capable Accurian HD Radios that Radio Shack is=20 selling for $99 or $129? Apparently they include support for C-Quam=20 AM Stereo, right out of the box! A radio engineer e-mailed me an aircheck of an Accurian receiving Oldies station 850 WREF in AM Stereo. I replied thinking that he=20 added a C-Quam decoder board to the radio. He wrote back, "the radio=20 is unmodified. The radio is decoding C-Quam audio. I draw your=20 attention to the last few seconds of the clip I've included here=20 where the signal was stable enough from WREF to demonstrate stereo...=20 Say what you want about the bandwidth, the radio is decoding C-Quam=20 and it's a nice Easter Egg." Here is the MP3 file that was sent to me: http://mysite.verizon.net/tekel/accurian_wref.mp3 The stereo separation is most noticeable in the last few seconds of=20 the recording. The signal apparently wasn't that strong, and the=20 Accurian partially blends the C-Quam audio to mono during weak signal=20 conditions, just like the later-generation Motorola decoder chips.=20 Unfortunately the analog audio is brickwall-filtered to 4.6 kHz,=20 probably as per iBiquity's recommended spec for AM HD receivers. It is a very sharp cutoff -- at 5.0 kHz the response is down to the=20 noise floor. If the Accurian is based on a "textbook" implementation of an HD Radio chipset, this could mean that future HD Radio receivers from=20 other brands will also include C-Quam reception. It would be nice if=20 they could open up the bandwidth when analog AM Stereo is being=20 received, but for stations transmitting C-Quam, it is definitely=20 better than nothing to have a brand new receiver available in stores=20 which supports AM Stereo! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Dec 29 15:23:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98033 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2006 23:22:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2006 23:22:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2006 23:22:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2006 23:21:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2006 23:21:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:21:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.254.150 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Oops, I'm late to the party... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=JssoC48kOgbxTiJBscj1pm8pQT5XYn7bVRKhJ4fpnFewHIbvBg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Sorry for posting my message before reading the recent posts on this=20 list. I wish I had known about this a week ago, I could've bought an=20 Accurian and used it to receive the Christmas music in full AM Stereo=20 from 1450 WCTC. I have a nice strong daytime signal from them, and=20 their audio sounds excellent in stereo! From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Dec 29 15:25:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13535 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2006 23:24:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2006 23:24:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao04.cox.net) (68.230.241.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2006 23:24:34 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061229232430.OCTW7494.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 18:24:30 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 4nQj1W00x2DrW980000000; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 18:24:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <093BD2E2-F8A4-49E9-8293-7B2706FD8E7A@cox.net> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:24:27 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Oops, I'm late to the party... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=IJwSHVvlxc_EF7mLGU-xu1CW30TGNv0n6gLuEmzRFoxhLRetl2RP5Zu2CeYI X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mine definitely does not receive C-QUAM. It seems to have a date code of September. For those who have a model that does seem to decode C- QUAM, what is the date code on yours? On Dec 29, 2006, at 3:21 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > Sorry for posting my message before reading the recent posts on this > list. I wish I had known about this a week ago, I could've bought an > Accurian and used it to receive the Christmas music in full AM Stereo > from 1450 WCTC. I have a nice strong daytime signal from them, and > their audio sounds excellent in stereo! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Dec 29 15:27:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47207 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2006 23:25:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2006 23:25:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao03.cox.net) (68.230.241.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2006 23:25:41 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061229232315.YYSK29122.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 18:23:15 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 4nPU1W00y2DrW980000000; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 18:23:29 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <625057.20228.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <625057.20228.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <4C7E280A-32E8-4E63-8C5D-8B301EA3C151@cox.net> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:23:11 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=N58enEeppymjGo6eC98d63ZmBGK2uXGKBHbCv8vLGbRHaXuVRVLU6BfA6-pk X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since almost all radio stations now use compressed music on a computer for broadcast, then you already can't listen to ANY radio. But don't keep saying HD sounds like crap when you haven't ever heard it. On Dec 29, 2006, at 3:10 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > Oh yes I do have the right to comment, it's a free > country. What country do you live in may I ask? I am > talking about HD radio, thats what. > > --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > > Kevin Bell wrote: > > >I don't need to, it's called compression. > > > > If you have never listened to the radio, you have > > ZERO right to comment about the sound quality, or > > the quality of the radio itself. > > > > Please tell me what compression has to do with the > > radio receiving a C-QUAM broadcast. > > > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > > From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in > > frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Fri Dec 29 15:33:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58985 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2006 23:33:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2006 23:33:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.187) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2006 23:33:23 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n5.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2006 23:33:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2006 23:33:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2006 23:33:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:33:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 170.20.11.116 From: "Mike" Subject: Re: Accurian HD Radio includes AM STEREO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087; y=bUEzdYw-_IQAEdTx1wa_v5wVT4k9-wJUz6dAkWEUu3CwhRif X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > You know those IBOC-capable Accurian HD Radios that Radio Shack is=20 > selling for $99 or $129? Apparently they include support for C-Quam=20 > AM Stereo, right out of the box! What's funny is that I spent most of Chritsmas trying to record stereo=20 audio off WOR (which kept falling back to mono analog even though the=20 analog signal was almost pristine) when I could have been recording=20 WICC playing music... had I known WICC would be received in analog=20 Cquam stereo. I didn't even investigate until another colleage said=20 his Sangean supported C-Quam and I investigated the Accurian. Voila! From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Fri Dec 29 15:39:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95607 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2006 23:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2006 23:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.23) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2006 23:39:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2006 23:37:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2006 23:37:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:37:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <093BD2E2-F8A4-49E9-8293-7B2706FD8E7A@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 170.20.11.116 From: "Mike" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Oops, I'm late to the party... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087; y=5uOIA6a-uYJ9zQn43umRNS7Bvon9TvFliWNExXy50Ino6K5a X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner =20 wrote: > > Mine definitely does not receive C-QUAM. It seems to have a date=20 code=20=20 > of September. For those who have a model that does seem to decode C-=20 > QUAM, what is the date code on yours? >=20 My date code is for September as well. Are you trying to listen to a=20 commercial broadcaster or the Chris Cuff rig? If you don't have things=20 quite right, it may not like what it hears and not properly receieve=20 stereo. I don't think this thing was intended to receive C-Quam...=20 it's just similar to how HD is recieved... with the exception of L-R=20 instead of the digital and the added sidebands. I would suspect the=20 Accurian would even decode C-Quam w/o the 25hz tone present. A friend of mine has the Chris Cuff TX and I will have to see if I can=20 borrow it and get mine to work with it. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 29 15:54:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4574 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2006 23:54:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2006 23:54:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.203) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2006 23:54:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 47392 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2006 23:54:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jim8wpwl0kyh37) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@76.209.83.0 with login) by smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2006 23:54:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: A4E8iNAVM1kNFGeu3ADZoZ6w9jg0nolB4Ff8s.uEV7M0ZCpiXhiFXWYtVNFOrMs5_YpSHnH0ihem7RgcSJ3vxvzMrv5k8.DVOh0QTbvZibVvY9i0LK0B51JpTSu5eHTMxQ50Vh2fALbT9A-- Message-ID: <000a01c72ba4$a979ef40$d50bfea9@jim8wpwl0kyh37> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:54:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=9hW7Z18IdpCEws58iclPrTrFvxYHtxKCoD20pqTaeaoHvWDbMvj6RFF2uZYlcrtKotbJ0fqz X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Dose the Accurian HD Radio say "STEREO" when decodeing a FM or AM STEREO signal. Just wondering? I got to play with one but it did not get HD RADIO and it did not sound like it was in FM STEREO ether. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Dec 29 16:19:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9935 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 00:19:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 00:19:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 00:19:27 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.226.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.226] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H0RwY-0001Fq-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 19:19:23 -0500 Message-ID: <011501c72ba8$26e9dff0$a26f5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <625057.20228.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 19:19:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=SSL7WsNoZdFqtbD6M4O28jg4PuLpQo0XEwLkUgEM2Bvf1kf6e7UCZV-UbJFHzA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How in bloody HELL can you comment on the sound or quality of a radio you have never listened to? You are an idiot! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" To: Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 6:10 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test > Oh yes I do have the right to comment, it's a free > country. What country do you live in may I ask? I am > talking about HD radio, thats what. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Dec 29 16:31:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84913 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 00:31:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 00:31:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 00:31:17 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.226.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.226] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H0S7d-0002Kt-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 19:30:51 -0500 Message-ID: <012a01c72ba9$c164bae0$a26f5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <000b01c72b3b$d695e100$d50bfea9@jim8wpwl0kyh37> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 19:30:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Just wondering ????? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=2TRDVRlJ1Lcv7eu8ZzN015xlIlT61B6dDTH5_YkqJzjAhCR5rWcX578nXB7VeQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Why would the include suppolrt for formats that are no longer legal to broadcast? Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 6:23 AM Subject: {AMSF} Just wondering ????? > Hi Gang I was just wondering if any of the other HD RADIOS did the same > thing??? And i was just wondering if thoughs HD RADIOS decoded any of the > other AM STEREO modes like BEL AIR HARRIS MAGNAVOX and KAHN?????? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Fri Dec 29 16:33:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5358 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 00:33:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 00:33:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.187) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 00:33:34 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n5.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 00:33:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 00:33:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 00:33:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 00:33:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c72ba4$a979ef40$d50bfea9@jim8wpwl0kyh37> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 170.20.11.116 From: "Mike" Subject: Re: Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087; y=7ITJ7PaJP4KvZ9TBPoWMg52Je1GTdoz9YoBtx4vBcvqg-VC0 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang Dose the Accurian HD Radio say "STEREO" when decodeing a=20 FM or AM STEREO signal. Just wondering? I got to play with one but it=20 did not get HD RADIO and it did not sound like it was in FM STEREO=20 ether. Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > It does receive analog FM stereo as well as C-Quam AM stereo and stereo=20 in HD on both bands (with the AM, stereo HD is only received when the=20 unit has a signal strength of at least 4 bars... anything less will be=20 HD in mono and the blend is very abrupt). From rjskadl@yahoo.com Fri Dec 29 16:34:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13988 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 00:33:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 00:33:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.115) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 00:33:49 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 00:33:26 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 00:33:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 00:33:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 00:33:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c72ba4$a979ef40$d50bfea9@jim8wpwl0kyh37> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.115 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.195.112.206 From: "RJSKADL" Subject: Re: Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919; y=1lOrVEJJ3Wu2zcvimiMVdf_2f1GQrD7l3yeT4r08LpIcBw X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang Dose the Accurian HD Radio say "STEREO" when decodeing a=20 FM or AM STEREO signal. Just wondering? No. Not even in HD mode. The only stereo indication is with your=20 ears. Also take note of the fact that I only hear Stereo FM analog=20 when the station has a really strong local grade signal. The further=20 away the station, the less stereo as it blends to mono, and then the=20 highs begin to roll off as well. The radio does pick up weak and=20 distant stations quite well in the analog FM mode, but expect to hear=20 them in mono with not much in the high end. Still I have to say that=20 it is one of the most sensitive and selective home units I have ever=20 seen. For that alone I bought it. The HD was an added bonus when it=20 works. I can actually listen to country again because of two HD2s.=20=20 Now Im also glad to find out that it does AM Stereo, even though I'm a=20 bit out of range of any good C-Quam stations.=20=20 From rjskadl@yahoo.com Fri Dec 29 16:45:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82948 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 00:45:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 00:45:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 00:45:34 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 00:45:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 00:45:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 00:45:30 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 00:45:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <013901c72b99$0889d5b0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.195.112.206 From: "RJSKADL" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Accurian CQUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919; y=fJcR59f9Am--0Itt3smgQZ9NIotyKwQc9Mf5Kwlk0fAqyw X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl Well ain't that something. You have to take everything you hear on=20 the internet with a pillar of salt. Seriously though, I understand=20 that the Accurian an the Sangean have the same chipset? Plus=20 1290wgli's aircheck was from an actual accurian radio. We just need=20 to verify this from a better location. I do have to say that your 740 aircheck sounds real good.=20=20 > That was the recording I made from the Sangean HDT-1, just with a=20 different > name! I did post it on another forum, I guess someone misunderstood=20 which > tuner I was using, eventhough it was in a thread specifically about=20 the > HDT-1. >=20 > Jeff Lehmann - N1ZZN > Hanson, MA > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Dec 29 17:31:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11219 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 01:30:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 01:30:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 01:30:03 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.25]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 140793855 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 19:24:37 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ab01c72bb1$d2a23500$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <625057.20228.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <4C7E280A-32E8-4E63-8C5D-8B301EA3C151@cox.net> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 19:28:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 3, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.25 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=IN6j5jiqwtK1xc51nKfYpAMzfkc1SsXVh64xLazk2brJAfDcBCxp X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Actually they don't. Digital storage is cheap enough now that audio can be stored uncompressed. Now your satellite sources are all compressed, but for locally originated the only compression should be the HD itself. The idea is to avoid any prior compression before the HD exciter so there won't be dualing algorithms. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wagoner" > Since almost all radio stations now use compressed music on a > computer for broadcast, then you already can't listen to ANY radio. From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Dec 29 17:35:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74481 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 01:35:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 01:35:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52202.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.125) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 01:35:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 10398 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2006 01:35:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: RiWSyfMVM1lSxU_WCkKHP5L_4NSc5LgyLffGiQX3OKS1DgjV3EPYNJ3LUohnQuznU_IiMcmcUT7d4Qsr58mWahJQ0lk7XRVUtNyfVnP0NXHDlMQfeBk5b8JWKV9b34a2yX8fTUQBJfNDCA4- Received: from [12.76.216.177] by web52202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:35:40 PST Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:35:40 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20061229224924.23923.qmail@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <51415.8571.qm@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.125 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=WOW_uZOzhzYOzvn_LS3OCL2h_mvOiYKxdbkGkkU9VrY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > I don't need to, it's called compression. I hate > MP3's and anything compressed with those formats. > It > better be CD quality or better before I show any > interest. Otherwise i'll just listen to radio the > way it is. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ Which IS compressed. Get real and get over it.... ]:) Powell NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Dec 29 17:40:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53294 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 01:40:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 01:40:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52204.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.127) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 01:40:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 78854 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2006 01:39:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20061230013958.78852.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: UkagqTwVM1n2UqwJi3yLFzsp04jyNe0Y18xy_T1o2XhY9fP5ZM64Z5bKhb3IucgRZw-- Received: from [12.76.216.177] by web52204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:39:58 PST Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:39:58 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <625057.20228.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.127 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=IwbvrYeeyskqIL6IUVtlavZHZE8gihG63OeQ0-iJMUU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > Oh yes I do have the right to comment, it's a free > country. What country do you live in may I ask? I > am talking about HD radio, thats what. And we summarily dismiss your comment. You have not listened to it, and you mind is made up and closed. You did the same thing on the FM tuners list. Powell NNNN! From jjlehmann@comcast.net Fri Dec 29 17:46:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69805 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 01:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 01:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc13.comcast.net) (204.127.200.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 01:45:37 -0000 Received: from dhpp0db1 (failure[24.218.84.51]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2006123001021301300oea4ke>; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 01:02:13 +0000 To: Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 20:01:53 -0500 Message-ID: <016a01c72bae$1e7ef890$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Accrq9Gkr844pQC+TD6RJqYIkfTj9QAAGlWw X-Originating-IP: 204.127.200.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Accurian CQUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394; y=nKhEPH1SpobbAuLB_iYqbbM2TxvfS4JJNP1UljQlfGI X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn > Well ain't that something. You have to take everything you hear on > the internet with a pillar of salt. Seriously though, I understand > that the Accurian an the Sangean have the same chipset? Plus > 1290wgli's aircheck was from an actual accurian radio. We just need > to verify this from a better location. To anyone with the Accurian... does it have RDS on the FM band? The HDT-1 does, with a very good display of all the information (PS, converted PI, Pty). I would assume that it had the same chipset, that it would have the same RDS features on FM. Jeff Lehmann - N1ZZN Hanson, MA From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Dec 29 17:46:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48049 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 01:45:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 01:45:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 01:45:40 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.25]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 140795649 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 19:45:14 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b501c72bb4$b4424ca0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <264891.34162.qm@web56802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 19:49:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 3, in=3, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.25 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=h9wtngI5rggjXx9uUcdXNTKOPPdwX-AL4X99-YrSrmeb3Hw7-kke X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'm building one of the original Alfredo boards to serve as both a standalone AM stereo transmitter AND exciter. The chips you are interested in are NE602s, though you'll still need the following stage, the ua733CN first envelope modulator, and take the signal across those two diodes between the 470pf caps. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Richards" > Thank you! I appreciate the link. Do you happen to know what the numbers are of the two chips in the encoding side? > > Has anyone made just the encoder portion of this and connected it to another exciter or transmitter? I am curious if you could use this on one of those commercially built TIS transmitters by Radio Systems, or an HF rig. From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Dec 29 17:46:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34639 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 01:46:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 01:46:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52212.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.135) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 01:46:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 23287 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2006 01:43:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 777ff9EVM1kAX5TCckJKiYGi_DN8VSl9bDBlUNfdjBiA7gycQqJO8ih69ILgH5JbQmoohZg0zoLOdVxiFEju2dCBYO5MAoPvqxofCYUbC24ERe2NxwkYZKow1K0ageg69c76HQOVEIrs.A-- Received: from [12.76.216.177] by web52212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:43:31 PST Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:43:31 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <189089.22576.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: The Alfredo Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=XPaBdLH2mq8oeTDZVaZHtEg_qmbKm4yD3GMdKP9w3wo X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW My original Alfredo Lite will not light the AM stereo light on my friend's 92 Toronado Trofeo's radio which DOES have AM stereo. It will on the SRF-42. You might be aware of that. Powell NNNN! From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Dec 29 17:55:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33107 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 01:53:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 01:53:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 01:53:13 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.25]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 140796374 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 19:52:47 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c901c72bb5$c1f3be00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <264891.34162.qm@web56802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <00b501c72bb4$b4424ca0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 19:56:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 3, in=4, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.25 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=MuqiJKAsXxzch7zkfCEF1oFxyNt-LCCuTRm74EsLD-ztPsCKqgYY X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude forgot to add- haven't tried it with one of those low power transmitters, but assuming the RF chain is broadbanded enough, there's absolutely no reason to think it wouldn't work, though you might have to put in some minor amount of audio delay. Am hoping to use mine with an LPB RC25B eventually. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" > I'm building one of the original Alfredo boards to serve as both a > standalone AM stereo transmitter AND exciter. The chips you are interested > in are NE602s, though you'll still need the following stage, the ua733CN > first envelope modulator, and take the signal across those two diodes > between the 470pf caps. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harold Richards" > > > > Thank you! I appreciate the link. Do you happen to know what the numbers > are of the two chips in the encoding side? > > > > Has anyone made just the encoder portion of this and connected it to > another exciter or transmitter? I am curious if you could use this on one > of those commercially built TIS transmitters by Radio Systems, or an HF rig. > > From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 29 17:59:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45604 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 01:59:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 01:59:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 01:59:48 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 01:58:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 01:58:38 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 01:58:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <011501c72ba8$26e9dff0$a26f5b04@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.35.136.185 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=fb3VlW7PknteOrSez4GvUIY2OeCAyFtuljr5ey3NsgGSyH99Xe05CQUGXQlLDVSOwV-swf9x X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > How in bloody HELL can you comment on the sound or quality of a=20 radio you have never listened to? >=20 > You are an idiot! >=20 > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a=20 mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than=20 FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Kevin Bell" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 6:10 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test >=20 >=20 > > Oh yes I do have the right to comment, it's a free > > country. What country do you live in may I ask? I am > > talking about HD radio, thats what.=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Bage to differ my frend yes i have herd the Accurian radio in=20 Radio Shack in Auburn Ca. All i herd was the analog side of the=20 radio. Between the Boston A. radio and the Accurian i liked the=20 BA's amp better. I did see a station and freq on the Accurian so i=20 guess that means it has RDS in it . Jim Smith From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 29 18:07:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67149 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 02:07:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 02:07:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.36) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 02:07:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 63923 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Dec 2006 23:04:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: JmqwrZwVM1lxbmIvQknECDZLJH966xppuSAXf8AJ9_PDAc7MW9pxuM1ho3Iq9fnPjw-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:04:55 PST Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:04:55 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <34312.63582.qm@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Accurian CQUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=suNZaNUj3DVbQcm5_bYbwZM7hZuK32ECGyN7_uCIh56nFs5k-lTh X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Almost like listening to FM with the treble or tone control turned all the way down. Good Seperation. --- RJSKADL wrote: > > Here is a sample recorded using an Accurian HD radio > of AM 740 up in > Boston. AM 740 in Boston is not HD, but is indeed > C-Quam playing > beautiful music. Listen for yourself at the link > below. > > http://www.theproductionroom.net/accurianstereo.mp3 > > This link is a re-post from Mike Walker at an > HD-Radio board. Also, > lest see about getting WGLIradio's WREF sample up > there. While > WGLIradio's WREF sample is perhaps not recorded > under Ideal > Conditions, The above link to the audio clip from > 740 in Boston > leaves no doubt in my mind that the Accurian is > capable of AM Stereo. > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" > wrote: > > > > You read the manual but did you listen to one?? > > > > I heard Mike's clip of WREF. It's AM stereo. Take > it from a couple > > of broadcast engineers that know what they're > talking about. > > > > Jerry WA2FNQ > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell > > > wrote: > > > > > > I think peoples ears are fooling them and they > are > > > hearing things they want to hear. I read the > whole > > > manual on that thing and it says nothing at all > about > > > CQUAM or AM stereo for that fact. Download the > manual > > > from the radio shack site. All it talks about > is how > > > great HD is and about HD blah blah blah on FM. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Mike wrote: > > > > > > > I can tell you that there is seperation on > CQuam > > > > stations with the > > > > Accurian. The signal for WREF is not good > enough to > > > > have consistant > > > > seperation, but it is in and out for a few > seconds. > > > > > > > > It's as if the Accurian is in a "forced > stereo" mode > > > > all the time and > > > > I think it does have the same chipset as the > > > > Sangean. I offer this. > > > > Check out the displays... and Sangean has made > stuff > > > > for Rat Shack > > > > before. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/accurian- > > tabletop-hd- > > > > radio-unboxing-and-grope-212141.php > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/SANGEAN-HDT-1-Component-AM-FM-Tuner-with-HD- > > > > > > > > > > Radio_W0QQitemZ250067339587QQihZ015QQcategoryZ3282QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewIte > > m > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Dec 29 18:09:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46104 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 02:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 02:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52209.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.132) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 02:09:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 5167 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2006 02:09:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20061230020929.5165.qmail@web52209.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: nz_kvV4VM1m1CSyZcepmtV_JhJihp1_pjrJY6xtPGjLPfiFYp3L87cgvAifWnC642jUES_ypcmkUd2wBMiqpy_98ggFWFIdJ3742ttA.ndsNwQ-- Received: from [12.76.216.177] by web52209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 18:09:29 PST Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 18:09:29 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <016a01c72bae$1e7ef890$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} Accurian CQUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=uX9WQ1BD7Vwf-Hh1DBvYKMh18PbHRRNfdBudbwx7oPk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NO RDS. Powell NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Dec 29 18:12:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10304 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 02:12:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 02:12:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52207.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.130) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 02:12:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 54356 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2006 02:11:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20061230021153.54354.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: WXjWc9oVM1mOQw0SwceQ5TnfHX0YXhMWR9piYdBCyOTV6nSuKdLuslG1ihkZeSKAQZIVsv9QHew1DjrzhNFJkAV3JkbmVSn6UgNbGO1zFADm4.JAbTqrCzR485LUkFXebRkcxyifBu1smaA- Received: from [12.76.216.177] by web52207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 18:11:53 PST Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 18:11:53 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Zurz0AqreaPEGQxpPQz0ZzbYaAlea6nFYPFIvU7nLfY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jim smith wrote: > Hi Bage to differ my frend yes i have herd the > Accurian radio in > Radio Shack in Auburn Ca. He was referring to Mr. Bell (not ART) > All i herd was the analog > side of the > radio. Between the Boston A. radio and the > Accurian i liked the > BA's amp better. I did see a station and freq on the > Accurian so i > guess that means it has RDS in it . Jim Smith No, you were receiving HD. There is no RDS. Powell NNNN! From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 29 18:14:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61818 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 02:13:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 02:13:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.166) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 02:13:09 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n7.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 02:10:34 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 02:10:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 02:10:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 02:10:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.35.136.185 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=_Tr80tPLf6v20nD0amAQ7YOKPw9x2DAm5NZUnCmpwiNW_LeUgvHkvMJZEdImqN98wD6wNo_s X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > Hi Gang Dose the Accurian HD Radio say "STEREO" when decodeing=20 a=20 > FM or AM STEREO signal. Just wondering? I got to play with one=20 but it=20 > did not get HD RADIO and it did not sound like it was in FM STEREO=20 > ether. Jim Smith > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >=20 > It does receive analog FM stereo as well as C-Quam AM stereo and=20 stereo=20 > in HD on both bands (with the AM, stereo HD is only received when=20 the=20 > unit has a signal strength of at least 4 bars... anything less will=20 be=20 > HD in mono and the blend is very abrupt). > Hi Mike I did get play with one for a fue but the antennas sucked so=20 i could not get a good siganl where i was at the store in Auburn Ca.=20 Jim Smith From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 29 18:22:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11080 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 02:22:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 02:22:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 02:22:58 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 02:22:44 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 02:22:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 02:22:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 02:22:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20061230021153.54354.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.35.136.185 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=VOEgAIE-dRtowlnbUViZDOMl3rGLaflcHfFM1Vw0ESy35mIg0s2-Xcv9NRV9aZry-Xj3DLTL X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > --- jim smith wrote: >=20 > > Hi Bage to differ my frend yes i have herd the > > Accurian radio in=20 > > Radio Shack in Auburn Ca. >=20 >=20 > He was referring to Mr. Bell (not ART)=20 >=20 >=20 > > All i herd was the analog > > side of the=20 > > radio. Between the Boston A. radio and the > > Accurian i liked the=20 > > BA's amp better. I did see a station and freq on the > > Accurian so i=20 > > guess that means it has RDS in it . Jim Smith >=20 >=20 > No, you were receiving HD. There is no RDS.=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 >=20 >=20 > NNNN! > Hi I did not get any of the sub stations thouhg on FM. Jim Smith From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Dec 29 19:14:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46780 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 03:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 03:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.122) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 03:14:02 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 03:10:58 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 03:10:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 03:10:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 03:10:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <189089.22576.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.122 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.254.150 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: The Alfredo Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=7MmGIwbAHlGXAm2LjRIl7OXFc7kjZq8KeIrN_laJgRi-GTvWSw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > My original Alfredo Lite will not light the AM stereo > light on my friend's 92 Toronado Trofeo's radio which > DOES have AM stereo. It will on the SRF-42. You might > be aware of that.=20 I've found that the "Alfredo Lite" runs best when powered by a well-regulated 9-volt DC power supply. When you power it with batteries, the battery voltage slowly decreases over time, which cause the circuitry to drift a bit. And if the pilot tone generator gets too far off from exactly 25 Hz, then newer AM Stereo receivers will drop to mono. Older receivers had a pretty wide tolerance for the C-Quam pilot tone, but newer generations of the C-Quam decoder chip will only enter Stereo mode when a pilot tone of exactly 25 Hz is received, in order to reduce the chances of "falsing". From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Fri Dec 29 19:16:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34998 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 03:15:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 03:15:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.101) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 03:15:21 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n9.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 03:14:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 03:14:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 03:14:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 03:14:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <012a01c72ba9$c164bae0$a26f5b04@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.153.79.130 From: "Juan" Subject: Re: Just wondering ????? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=G-cnLh-Z6kVRw7PRU9R6Rr5MdsZeJKjtZ-BjtzNjeJmRIg4 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane I know of at least one fulltime and a part time Harris, One Magnavox=20 and at least one fulltime Kahn station still using the illegal=20 formats. Why, I don't know.... but if anybody else knows of these also, please=20 keep the call letters off this list. Juan Ft. Pierce --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > Why would the include suppolrt for formats that are no longer legal=20 to=20 > broadcast? >=20 > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a=20 mathematical=20 > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard=20 Kahn >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: > To: "am stereo forum" > Cc: "jim smith" > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 6:23 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Just wondering ????? >=20 >=20 > > Hi Gang I was just wondering if any of the other HD RADIOS did=20 the same=20 > > thing??? And i was just wondering if thoughs HD RADIOS decoded=20 any of the=20 > > other AM STEREO modes like BEL AIR HARRIS MAGNAVOX and=20 KAHN?????? > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 29 20:55:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29798 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 04:55:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 04:55:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.125) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 04:55:43 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 04:55:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 04:55:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 04:55:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 04:55:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.125 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.51.21 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Just wondering ????? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=nE1W566YZOKH0hOzFpvjt2D_W7bl7biMMLi9TKZRmQMf5TXWCv5j2XxfbtniaSZGHHQb2cVC X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Juan" wrote: > > I know of at least one fulltime and a part time Harris, One=20 Magnavox=20 > and at least one fulltime Kahn station still using the illegal=20 > formats. >=20 > Why, I don't know.... but if anybody else knows of these also,=20 please=20 > keep the call letters off this list. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Juan > Ft. Pierce >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 > wrote: > > > > Why would the include suppolrt for formats that are no longer=20 legal=20 > to=20 > > broadcast? > >=20 > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a=20 > mathematical=20 > > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. -=20 Leonard=20 > Kahn > >=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: > > To: "am stereo forum" > > Cc: "jim smith" > > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 6:23 AM > > Subject: {AMSF} Just wondering ????? > >=20 > >=20 > > > Hi Gang I was just wondering if any of the other HD RADIOS=20 did=20 > the same=20 > > > thing??? And i was just wondering if thoughs HD RADIOS decoded=20 > any of the=20 > > > other AM STEREO modes like BEL AIR HARRIS MAGNAVOX and=20 > KAHN?????? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jaun I do not where when or who still TX thoughs but i know people=20 still do. What i was wrighting about was some of the new HD RADIOS=20 like the Accurian and the Sangean HDT -1 decodes C-QuAM allso so i=20 was wondering if thoughs radios can decode the other AM STEREO=20 signals allso. Jim Smith From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Dec 29 21:36:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58206 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 05:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 05:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao07.cox.net) (68.230.241.32) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 05:36:52 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061230053628.FUFE3976.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 00:36:28 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 4tbi1W00c2DrW980000000; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 00:35:43 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <8CFF71CA-05D5-4DED-AB8C-E0918F6329A7@cox.net> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 21:36:26 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Oops, I'm late to the party... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=So0NyRdBMFWwExzKll9eQF_wA76VrfCEyVBv2DESHMvBpfOlA56HrVezO6hZ X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It was with the Chris Cuff transmitter, and it may be that it just isn't set right. For example, I still haven't actually grounded it and run a real antenna. We don't have any AM stereo stations in Los Angeles any more to try it that way. Richard On Dec 29, 2006, at 3:37 PM, Mike wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > wrote: > > > > Mine definitely does not receive C-QUAM. It seems to have a date > code > > of September. For those who have a model that does seem to decode C- > > QUAM, what is the date code on yours? > > > > My date code is for September as well. Are you trying to listen to a > commercial broadcaster or the Chris Cuff rig? If you don't have things > quite right, it may not like what it hears and not properly receieve > stereo. I don't think this thing was intended to receive C-Quam... > it's just similar to how HD is recieved... with the exception of L-R > instead of the digital and the added sidebands. I would suspect the > Accurian would even decode C-Quam w/o the 25hz tone present. > > A friend of mine has the Chris Cuff TX and I will have to see if I can > borrow it and get mine to work with it. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Dec 29 21:41:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77672 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 05:41:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 05:41:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao12.cox.net) (68.230.241.27) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 05:41:35 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao12.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061230054042.LCPR19398.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 00:40:42 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 4tfE1W00Q2DrW980000100; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 00:39:57 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 21:40:40 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=XGEDWsfAftatTrNvwArMHrFkn1T6IkUVA2TOZDCR8VmQILPIufR8-6lEanSN X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do any of you who have the Accurian radio get lockups occasionally as it transitions to HD on AM? Richard On Dec 29, 2006, at 6:10 PM, jim smith wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" > wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > > > Hi Gang Dose the Accurian HD Radio say "STEREO" when decodeing > a > > FM or AM STEREO signal. Just wondering? I got to play with one > but it > > did not get HD RADIO and it did not sound like it was in FM STEREO > > ether. Jim Smith > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > It does receive analog FM stereo as well as C-Quam AM stereo and > stereo > > in HD on both bands (with the AM, stereo HD is only received when > the > > unit has a signal strength of at least 4 bars... anything less will > be > > HD in mono and the blend is very abrupt). > > > Hi Mike I did get play with one for a fue but the antennas sucked so > i could not get a good siganl where i was at the store in Auburn Ca. > Jim Smith > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Dec 29 21:45:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42050 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 05:45:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 05:45:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao12.cox.net) (68.230.241.27) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 05:45:25 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao12.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061230054000.LCJG19398.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 00:40:00 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 4tfE1W00Q2DrW980000000; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 00:39:14 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061230021153.54354.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061230021153.54354.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <2EF42919-5FB5-4922-A770-3A04C44B70F1@cox.net> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 21:39:58 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=Smfaoo_uI1XoqXu45z6cMol6sNvfa_PkNDK1oHLc5_k9KNt8RM8M2IgCOCqE X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If the signal isn't strong enough to kick in HD, it will show what looks like the RDS signal, but it is actually just the "beginning" of the HD decoding. On Dec 29, 2006, at 6:11 PM, Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > --- jim smith wrote: > > > Hi Bage to differ my frend yes i have herd the > > Accurian radio in > > Radio Shack in Auburn Ca. > > He was referring to Mr. Bell (not ART) > > > All i herd was the analog > > side of the > > radio. Between the Boston A. radio and the > > Accurian i liked the > > BA's amp better. I did see a station and freq on the > > Accurian so i > > guess that means it has RDS in it . Jim Smith > > No, you were receiving HD. There is no RDS. > > Powell > > NNNN! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Fri Dec 29 22:12:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39574 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 06:11:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 06:11:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.113) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 06:11:12 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 06:09:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 06:09:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 06:09:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 06:09:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.184.96.32 From: "Mike" Subject: Re: Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087; y=X6rOwSF_NIIs6mbIWv5uzVpZU9qHzfoRKcuD7jgCEksAv3lQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner =20 wrote: > > Do any of you who have the Accurian radio get lockups occasionally=20 as=20=20 > it transitions to HD on AM? >=20 > Richard It locks up when: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I change stations after listening to an HD station (AM or FM) I plug in the headphones (no kidding) I unplug the headphones (no kidding) I use the front panel controls after using the remote control w/o=20 turning it on and off. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D These things don't happen all the time, but it is somewhat an=20 unstable platform. From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Fri Dec 29 22:14:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75940 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 06:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 06:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.125) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 06:13:41 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 06:13:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 06:13:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 06:13:30 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 06:13:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CFF71CA-05D5-4DED-AB8C-E0918F6329A7@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.125 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.184.96.32 From: "Mike" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Oops, I'm late to the party... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087; y=Q2EjSBRTG_107PmigEfw8gbitNWyryXw9JZ1d46ikXWOxP_x X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner =20 wrote: > > It was with the Chris Cuff transmitter, and it may be that it just=20=20 > isn't set right. For example, I still haven't actually grounded it=20=20 > and run a real antenna. >=20 > We don't have any AM stereo stations in Los Angeles any more to try=20=20 > it that way. >=20 > Richard I think that because it isn't a true C-Quam detection that it may need=20 to be almost perfect to work right... I do notice that the Accurian=20 will fall back to mono now and then if the reception is not quite=20 right. I imagine it sounds really good on a city grade signal in AM=20 Stereo. I am waiting to make some airchecks of WICC with music when I=20 can.. perhaps during the Italian House Party this weekend. From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Dec 29 22:36:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15892 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 06:36:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 06:36:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao10.cox.net) (68.230.241.29) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 06:36:26 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061230063503.USZJ20715.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 01:35:03 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 4uaH1W00u2DrW980000000; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 01:34:18 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <5BA407B7-4D96-499C-BA3E-0A9636970D94@cox.net> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:34:46 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=CYNmCDY3qRzEghH-ItS_i3TuTutz6UPr0ZONlxbz-5dJUU_qep8wJnXMyQcu X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, then. I guess I won't exchange mine! THANKS!!! Richard On Dec 29, 2006, at 10:09 PM, Mike wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > wrote: > > > > Do any of you who have the Accurian radio get lockups occasionally > as > > it transitions to HD on AM? > > > > Richard > > It locks up when: > > ================ > > I change stations after listening to an HD station (AM or FM) > > I plug in the headphones (no kidding) > > I unplug the headphones (no kidding) > > I use the front panel controls after using the remote control w/o > turning it on and off. > > ================= > > These things don't happen all the time, but it is somewhat an > unstable platform. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rjskadl@yahoo.com Fri Dec 29 22:48:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32016 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 06:48:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 06:48:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.246) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 06:48:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 06:44:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 06:44:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 06:44:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <016a01c72bae$1e7ef890$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.195.112.206 From: "RJSKADL" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Accurian CQUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919; y=X5ZxItxzx8lHxHQ7TTV1ZR18FyviAih1DKD4j4Gp5vtXKw X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl =20=20 > To anyone with the Accurian... does it have RDS on the FM band?=20 That would be a No. > The HDT-1 > does, with a very good display of all the information (PS, converted=20 > PI, > Pty). I would assume that it had the same chipset, that it would=20 > have the > same RDS features on FM.=20 >=20 > Jeff Lehmann - N1ZZN > Hanson, MA I tell you I was suprised that the silly radio doesn't have RDS. What=20 a stupid oversight. Hey, I don't even know if they do have the same=20 chipset. That's just what I have been told. Apparently they use the=20 same (or very similar) display. Another thing I have been told is=20 that it is all DSP, so anything like C-Quam isn't circuitry but rather=20 coding on the chip.=20=20 Once again, I have no Idea what makes these things tick. I didn't=20 even realize until acouple of days ago that Sangean made a tabletop HD=20 radio. And I'm kind of thinking that it looks like the Sangean is the=20 better radio that might have been worth the extra couple of bucks. From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 29 22:54:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50113 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 06:53:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 06:53:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.28) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 06:53:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 97786 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2006 06:53:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20061230065343.97784.qmail@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: cwXqW4QVM1n_1jfop0w8omfdFhAmtpFWLMODSDdk7D1x0eVFmGdL57lGpUkHLomsekjCwxyMxgYL6LaVIp_RDitRK_YCv6aUXjqZZ7lrgykoCjDirDcSU7KfG.rLOBrRJJfxwViXzI2zjBGmHBO41CyDCVLDrmCkkfpJzIy7W5OaHg_qeV.jzA-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:53:43 PST Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:53:43 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4C7E280A-32E8-4E63-8C5D-8B301EA3C151@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=q1Ibh3ZrcZZS9J6ZdZO4mJOFR0uJ3gxe1RJ3VOBPhF7FGZinP17O X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Did I say that I agreed with what they do on other stations? On FM? No I never said that. I don't like any of this compression crap period. That is what I said. Quit putting words in my mouth or editing my messages to say what you want them to say. --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > Since almost all radio stations now use compressed > music on a > computer for broadcast, then you already can't > listen to ANY radio. > > But don't keep saying HD sounds like crap when you > haven't ever heard > it. > > > On Dec 29, 2006, at 3:10 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > > > Oh yes I do have the right to comment, it's a free > > country. What country do you live in may I ask? I > am > > talking about HD radio, thats what. > > > > --- Possum Hunter > wrote: > > > > > Kevin Bell wrote: > > > >I don't need to, it's called compression. > > > > > > If you have never listened to the radio, you > have > > > ZERO right to comment about the sound quality, > or > > > the quality of the radio itself. > > > > > > Please tell me what compression has to do with > the > > > radio receiving a C-QUAM broadcast. > > > > > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM > radio. > > > From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better > in > > > frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 29 22:58:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4553 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 06:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 06:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.34) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 06:58:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 11082 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2006 06:58:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20061230065819.11080.qmail@web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: t7J0lMcVM1mnNcAljWSMFNUI1NNPXvNUDQOcW7XyXrgNHdBgncgMkbbJKsXQUJsWItdpCdg8eNe1lVNY0AZpWFiWDLRWms0DTEzoXRJXqZWsUOfsaQvnoVW.4nudckI4xZwJjN89 Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:58:18 PST Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:58:18 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000a01c72ba4$a979ef40$d50bfea9@jim8wpwl0kyh37> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=gz5dRHt7rwUduA6AB7a649mqb5gqGRJIx2q5DhGrVQZCiDE02B4A X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke You can't really judge any radio in store. Most of these stores have a lot of metal around them and concrete and radio signals don't get through well. Here in our Tweeter store in Greenville they are lucky to get any radio to come into the building. You can't get anything on any tuner in that store. I'd say the only way to judge it was to purchase it, take it home and play with the thing and then if not satisfied return it. --- jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hi Gang Dose the Accurian HD Radio say "STEREO" > when decodeing a FM or AM STEREO signal. Just > wondering? I got to play with one but it did not > get HD RADIO and it did not sound like it was in FM > STEREO ether. Jim Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 29 23:07:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82409 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 07:07:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 07:07:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.35) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 07:07:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 71189 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2006 06:56:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5x9qEBcVM1lWMc9sKRVOEA73RlF3B0spvmxfL7DCqsupOHiZ0x.EmKBkuWIE1gZOqA-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:56:24 PST Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:56:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <339916.70674.qm@web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Oops, I'm late to the party... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=WoD84T4B3uNfWMib3d_0VrL9GXhhwBYxtC7RTFtWTTYdDEPeZXE8 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke My point all along although people misunderstand me for some reason. Why wouldn't someone want to spend the $150 on a chris cuff real AM stereo tuner instead of the Accurian. I thought AM Analog Stereo is what you wanted to receive anyway? His tuner is of the highest quality from what i've always understood. It would seem more logical to through your money that way and connect it to a good stereo system. --- Mike wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard > Wagoner > wrote: > > > > Mine definitely does not receive C-QUAM. It seems > to have a date > code > > of September. For those who have a model that does > seem to decode C- > > QUAM, what is the date code on yours? > > > > My date code is for September as well. Are you > trying to listen to a > commercial broadcaster or the Chris Cuff rig? If > you don't have things > quite right, it may not like what it hears and not > properly receieve > stereo. I don't think this thing was intended to > receive C-Quam... > it's just similar to how HD is recieved... with the > exception of L-R > instead of the digital and the added sidebands. I > would suspect the > Accurian would even decode C-Quam w/o the 25hz tone > present. > > A friend of mine has the Chris Cuff TX and I will > have to see if I can > borrow it and get mine to work with it. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 29 23:11:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65813 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 07:10:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 07:10:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.30) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 07:10:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 31893 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2006 06:59:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: EOreJIcVM1lSWrNymM5BIEwx.2pdLDEdOA01q7iYkAcwdVZWTfnhOfqweIpn4O629bUs4wDRqaHHWj00kYDXQVoqtkSJ8UiV51ix3rRe2USTIKdd.KuK2FudLpkFoHHMX12zJCQbnYd.RjdbYtCKNlzccqjAV6iy1.n_C.I8tlLWGmT4s8tsEg-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:59:40 PST Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:59:40 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <011501c72ba8$26e9dff0$a26f5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <729093.31794.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=mZ-llo2UmSXtkUBuxLkIo3mpLoSVtjFu21nrvJXx45NF6j20fJEi X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke You don't get anything I say. I have been saying HD all along, not the particular radio. I don't want a radio shack HD, a Sangean HD, no HD period! You are the one thats the idiot man cause you don't read well. --- Possum Hunter wrote: > How in bloody HELL can you comment on the sound or > quality of a radio you have never listened to? > > You are an idiot! > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in > frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Bell" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 6:10 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test > > > > Oh yes I do have the right to comment, it's a free > > country. What country do you live in may I ask? > I am > > talking about HD radio, thats what. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 29 23:14:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19400 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 07:13:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 07:13:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.29) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 07:13:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 35195 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2006 07:12:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20061230071207.35193.qmail@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Sb4YR8QVM1kxCsqhgFYpt5hXG7Ov8HeLuFO9fvGQEqsq9TsUd468N66kprh_BTBkE8SdNhnOzUM7rTCsV75KIHT1fttKMstlOTPtpiRODumD5xmqz4wpxrro28I8v2whdwukjysjarsBJ1senZIY0MGVxWHXja9JrCCJ1OnTVVIu6NL6T4t8JQ-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:12:06 PST Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:12:06 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20061230013958.78852.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=Q1e9PE0AhqSgMMCPyOn8kDiNotPwWkQDA_r3jnAmLLMVPyZ2JzbP X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke None of you get my point, you read into it what you want. Do you not know that you are supporting the enemy? What happened to all the ANALOG stereo AM supporters out there? You know that if you support that HD thing and I mean even by buying a radio means the end of your analog transmissions sooner or later. What happened to people standing up for something they believe in. No I don't think AM or FM has the BEST sound period. The technology is good but not the best. No one ever said it was the best. My main point is this. Why buy an HD, even if it decoded CQUAM? Why not buy one of Chris Cuff's analog AM stereo tuners if you want CQUAM? Why support HD when you really don't like it? This forum used to be about AM analog stereo supporters. You are all giving in to the HD shiny new appearance or whatever. I can't believe all you old guys in here that grew up on analog even supporting the purchase of an HD radio regardless of what it receives. You're supporting the other camp. You are allowing them to win the format wars. Their immaculate plan one day will be to turn off all analog when they get everyone to take the mark of the HD beast. Then all your precious classic pieces of audio equipment will nto work on AM or FM. There won't be any analog signal. If everyone switches over to HD then why would there be the demand to keep up the analog signal. Then what? Another digital format? Yeah that's what it would be then it would be time to get yet another type radio. I just think you guys sold your soul to the HD camp. Broadcasters that would buy one of these, I mean it's like shooting yourself in the foot. I know someone has to be thinking the same thing I am about this. When it comes to digital I have CD's and I have a DAT machine which doesnt get used much at all. I still prefer my analog tape. I'm nowhere near as old as you guys and I can't believe i'm the sole one supporting analog. I don't happen to see so much wrong with analog. Radio is radio, it won't be the CD or the master recording. It is what it is. If you want to hear a song in higher resolution than what you hear on the radio you go and buy the CD right? Radio is what it is, it's radio. I still love and support analog formats and I think this forum needs to get back to analog stereo. --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Kevin Bell wrote: > > > Oh yes I do have the right to comment, it's a free > > country. What country do you live in may I ask? > I > > am talking about HD radio, thats what. > > > And we summarily dismiss your comment. You have not > listened to it, and you mind is made up and closed. > You did the same thing on the FM tuners list. > > Powell > > NNNN! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 29 23:19:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84371 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 07:19:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 07:19:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 07:19:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 83391 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2006 07:17:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20061230071741.83389.qmail@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Q8t.z84VM1nVrKNF7VkDyzQH67ZywPYYewzLXNmX1gjxzVuApWIgQzLm462MqSBhjphJpENWeC3djPaqtKiSc22RK6gVRMfF29FcxS7TLGgnkipWIGndeDbx1LSDQCWF8msnkkXMXBq.4b96KH5dl87sMxcLbIundSf1daed04VFPlqZg1uvBg-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:17:40 PST Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:17:40 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Accurian CQUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=DBPlNsfAu3zX8618x73OFHyVGXElqQMDzpa3z5jFDL8zJXRlONBF X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke RDS is a different system of transmitting the song information, station ID, etc. HD has it's own way of transmitting those things. RDS is a seperate system that is most likely dead if HD takes over. There aren't that many RDS stations anyway or that many receivers that have that option on them. You can find it a lot on european versions of Sony's, Onkyo's, etc. --- RJSKADL wrote: > > > To anyone with the Accurian... does it have RDS on > the FM band? > > That would be a No. > > > The HDT-1 > > does, with a very good display of all the > information (PS, converted > > PI, > > Pty). I would assume that it had the same chipset, > that it would > > have the > > same RDS features on FM. > > > > Jeff Lehmann - N1ZZN > > Hanson, MA > > I tell you I was suprised that the silly radio > doesn't have RDS. What > a stupid oversight. Hey, I don't even know if they > do have the same > chipset. That's just what I have been told. > Apparently they use the > same (or very similar) display. Another thing I > have been told is > that it is all DSP, so anything like C-Quam isn't > circuitry but rather > coding on the chip. > > Once again, I have no Idea what makes these things > tick. I didn't > even realize until acouple of days ago that Sangean > made a tabletop HD > radio. And I'm kind of thinking that it looks like > the Sangean is the > better radio that might have been worth the extra > couple of bucks. > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Dec 30 00:47:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25120 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 08:47:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 08:47:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao10.cox.net) (68.230.241.29) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 08:47:43 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061230084650.VYFO20715.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 03:46:50 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.14] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 4wm51W00K2DrW980000000; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 03:46:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <339916.70674.qm@web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <339916.70674.qm@web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 00:46:49 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Oops, I'm late to the party... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=6Zq0Vx33Lk7sXLwAt9zP-fgT6vgChufq_lesEeFn7DybjVMcXcj-K0IJO5nx X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are NO AM stereo stations in Southern California, and there are few that broadcast wideband. That's why. On Dec 29, 2006, at 10:56 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > My point all along although people misunderstand me > for some reason. Why wouldn't someone want to spend > the $150 on a chris cuff real AM stereo tuner instead > of the Accurian. I thought AM Analog Stereo is what > you wanted to receive anyway? His tuner is of the > highest quality from what i've always understood. It > would seem more logical to through your money that way > and connect it to a good stereo system. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Dec 30 00:48:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65764 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 08:48:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 08:48:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao06.cox.net) (68.230.241.33) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 08:48:26 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061230084757.GIKV2628.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 03:47:57 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.14] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 4wnC1W00M2DrW980000000; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 03:47:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20061230071741.83389.qmail@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <20061230071741.83389.qmail@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <3BBA54AC-9D36-4E94-BF80-B7C9E3119583@cox.net> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 00:47:56 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Accurian CQUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=y2iS6k28B1wa-BbJ8bFLtj86NPF_64EqFtii3rBCi3amDOB6EWzX9uRbAh0Y X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Most So. California FM stations have RDS. On Dec 29, 2006, at 11:17 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > RDS is a different system of transmitting the song > information, station ID, etc. HD has it's own way of > transmitting those things. RDS is a seperate system > that is most likely dead if HD takes over. There > aren't that many RDS stations anyway or that many > receivers that have that option on them. You can find > it a lot on european versions of Sony's, Onkyo's, etc. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 30 00:49:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64927 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 08:49:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 08:49:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.203) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 08:49:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 3274 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 08:49:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jim8wpwl0kyh37) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.18.125.55 with login) by smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 08:49:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: y6pHb8UVM1m_Jfc3v30fT0gHMEFhfHbxvr1C6Tk5a1omWiEat.BG9sUuHf7KmaVKWR6Xbg.1O6Z1vVjlVBR4YPRgznh3D.VtpIgnGCp8rIFrlQizt15s8Q-- Message-ID: <000801c72bef$609edab0$d50bfea9@jim8wpwl0kyh37> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 00:49:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: I can for my self..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=YdAj-fX06GCjHsrmr3k3tjLiRNhquBqpAf0MtcvLw01XYEyp1W6KCIPcDwVA262VBIRJWvSY X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I can say for myself as a lot people here wants to see AM STEREO grow back to the way it was if not better. I would say everybody to use this new information to our adfantage and get the word out new radios are in the stores that commen every day people can buy and use them and tell the station owners that there is indead new AM STEREO ready radios in the stores right now ready to hear there analog signal. And then mybe every one would hear the diferace between digital and analog and pick the analog to lissen to. I love radio allso but like some one said hear in the forum if there is nothing to lissen to on the radio its kind poitless. I have one full time AM music station one AM station that play music on the week ends and one AM IBOC station that plays RADIO DISME. Ya AM radio dose suck in Sacramento Ca. Be nice guys . Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Dec 30 05:23:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61681 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 13:21:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 13:21:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52213.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.136) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 13:21:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 28362 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2006 13:21:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 90pJF8EVM1lpccU0OiRGQf1jVdKPBKgjpGlzOEAWQYDJgeeOEmOAj16RBvLnZa9mN8QiccN_S0H921hXp.BXoV5zwxgzLx17.sZsr8NHEgfdyhsw0OaP0lWDFKe0G9ldQh_B7dwSngZpwE.ua3eI19lm9TDtmqSKDqaeKE5XO0JIG1ijyTHDMe6a3Yvw Received: from [12.76.217.249] by web52213.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 05:21:49 PST Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 05:21:49 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <2EF42919-5FB5-4922-A770-3A04C44B70F1@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <157660.28085.qm@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=zZGkF_YJc79ON4URFXXncLQEp7ctzHbFO4LdMUCYQYw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > If the signal isn't strong enough to kick in HD, it > will show what > looks like the RDS signal, but it is actually just > the "beginning" of > the HD decoding. That's the PAD (data) and it's sent at a low data rate, and you often will see that on the AM or FM band even if the HD audio won't decode. Now, if you are getting song title info on the FM then the HD is decoding. How the HD sounds is very dependent on who set up the audio processing. In a lot of cases the audio set up has been done poorly. Powell Powell NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Dec 30 05:25:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5203 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 13:24:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 13:24:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52212.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.135) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 13:24:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 65084 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2006 13:22:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BT4FAoEVM1lej_lDBLp_t23o1gj3rv_peiFTQamTUv3tHLBcEssP4Ut.cMWAts8RV2keKwlHqbxUGeZPHnf8aLlotQIDmgYbvFOIV1mYCIJkX8D6zeWwWOP22FXSknV4ilmYMxDPOXpxl4Y- Received: from [12.76.217.249] by web52212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 05:22:38 PST Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 05:22:38 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <926390.63854.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=iRXTWxsjMQTak8mpxc6OVpW91FeD2VgcKZSyMjS6QXI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > Do any of you who have the Accurian radio get > lockups occasionally as > it transitions to HD on AM? > Richard Yes, can we blame it on Windows? Powell (ducking} NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Dec 30 05:28:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8787 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 13:27:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 13:27:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52214.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.137) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 13:27:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 38099 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2006 13:25:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: U57nnHMVM1m6ol_nbZEIRLUH2Mkq4f4ajXjD_z6jNoAwxAqIY23EAR3o3Y2Ak4sJnyL4FQe_ksTONDXjGv8pu.fw7nAQkKeDrI.yGVPIYVNujwoeNLkK9UR2wgj03BI1b20SaGrqddi_PQ-- Received: from [12.76.217.249] by web52214.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 05:25:51 PST Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 05:25:51 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <729093.31794.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <808871.37172.qm@web52214.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=PDP20DeD5_q2jI4aGsgaTmtQ5XNs37Zy0SRh_UEEaVw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > You don't get anything I say. I have been saying HD > all along, not the particular radio. I don't want a > radio shack HD, a Sangean HD, no HD period! You are > the one thats the idiot man cause you don't read > well. Oh, he read you fine, that's all! Powell NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Dec 30 05:44:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33478 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 13:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 13:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52209.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.132) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 13:44:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 37622 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2006 13:43:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: w3KT..oVM1nZzmGTwgSia6MYOac7lENP7XIF3LJlszG4kHKCLCC9V9tMXfY9MbG559f07qPpMeRwjSVhhDKbeAVl8JG0lCX7UBbKmX74N9UaAy.qJb1Q44.srOupwoIiNZXecByMgj3MTT423P2Plc5N4zeASXEqaICzv9VB3F.T5_x03zJ4UzndS9j_ Received: from [12.76.217.249] by web52209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 05:43:25 PST Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 05:43:25 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20061230071207.35193.qmail@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <520370.37606.qm@web52209.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=KoCA4JGcqroL6tSYjzZS6Xql9RhD5zme7Db5tNKLSGg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > None of you get my point, you read into it what you > want. WRONG. > Do you not know that you are supporting the > enemy? NO we are not. > What happened to all the ANALOG stereo AM > supporters out there? >+ You know that if you support > that HD thing and I mean even by buying a radio > means > the end of your analog transmissions sooner or > later. > What happened to people standing up for something > they > believe in. No I don't think AM or FM has the BEST > sound period. The technology is good but not the > best. No one ever said it was the best. My main > point is this. Why buy an HD, even if it decoded > CQUAM? Why not buy one of Chris Cuff's analog AM > stereo tuners if you want CQUAM? Why support HD > when > you really don't like it? This forum used to be > about > AM analog stereo supporters. It still is. > You are all giving in > to the HD shiny new appearance or whatever. No, we were discussing that chipset supporting CQUAM. I expect if it didn't, the radios and tuners would not have been bought or returned. REMEMBER, KEVIN, THERE ARE BROADCASTERS ON THIS FORUM, AND THEY WANT TO CHECK HD OUT AS EITHER THEIR STATIONS OR COMPETTION ARE RUNNING HD. > I can't > believe all you old guys in here that grew up on > analog even supporting the purchase of an HD radio > regardless of what it receives. You're supporting > the other camp. R E A D W H A T I S A I D A B O V E A G A I N > You are allowing them to win the format > wars. WRONG > Their immaculate plan one day will be to turn > off all analog when they get everyone to take the > mark of the HD beast. Son, that's been the plan since day one, no matter what. Do not forget this. I have said this in the past. And guess what your biggest loss is? CONTROL over your radio. > Then all your precious classic > pieces of audio equipment will nto work on AM or FM. > There won't be any analog signal. If everyone > switches over to HD then why would there be the > demand to keep up the analog signal. Then what? The sunset to analog transmission will be before "everyone" gets a HD radio. > Another > digital format? Eventually. Yeah that's what it would be then > it, would be time to get yet another type radio. With other forms of transmitting media, it's likely radio may not survive in any form we recognize, and way sooner than we think. > I just > think you guys sold your soul to the HD camp. No. > Broadcasters that would buy one of these, I mean > it's like shooting yourself in the foot. I the case of the BIG boys, they are investors. > I know someone > has to be thinking the same thing I am about this. > When it comes to digital I have CD's and I have a > DAT machine which doesnt get used much at all. DAT machines are VERY finicky. > I still prefer my analog tape. I'm afraid that will go away too soon. > I'm nowhere near as old as > you guys and I can't believe i'm the sole one >supporting analog. Wrong. >I don't happen to see so much wrong with > analog. I don't either, but I see a LOT wrong with current receivers. Don't get me started on that. Radio is radio, it won't be the CD or the > master recording. It is what it is. If you want to > hear a song in higher resolution than what you hear > on the radio you go and buy the CD right? NOT anymore. The current CD's are crushed and smushed so badly, radio stations are demanding uncompressed and limited versions as they won't "play" on the radio in a listenable fashion. > Radio is what it is, it's radio. I still love and >support analog formats and I think this forum needs >to get back to analog stereo. And you are the one creating the most noise. Powell NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Dec 30 05:45:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69292 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 13:45:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 13:45:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52214.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.137) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 13:45:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 45514 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2006 13:45:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: uz4G6hUVM1ltTIugRXRZja7OjT2RK71YnvTDs39KzaZOphAD3UWFyBbDdC.ntuWNLjaYHonDWL4kdKNHxPJOEZ3_Hg5f.1LdADAQVFRVMvdnoEq4cPjd2y0Yq3tB0G3dRD4C6dp0QeBy58w- Received: from [12.76.217.249] by web52214.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 05:45:33 PST Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 05:45:33 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20061230071741.83389.qmail@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <778164.44709.qm@web52214.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Accurian CQUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=AuhSpP31mZCdAjAOr0JeLpGZ-bEHIQimQgM1SHGlc5M X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > RDS is a different system of transmitting the song > information, station ID, etc. HD has it's own way > of > transmitting those things. RDS is a seperate system > that is most likely dead if HD takes over. There > aren't that many RDS stations anyway or that many > receivers that have that option on them. You can > find > it a lot on european versions of Sony's, Onkyo's, > etc. RDS will transmit even in hybrid mode on FM. There are a LOT more stations transmitting RDS than there was a few years ago here in the US. Entercom and CC in the Greenville-Spartanburg-Asheville market runs it on their FM's. Powell NNNN! From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Dec 30 06:05:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49335 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 14:05:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 14:05:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 14:05:40 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.73.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.73] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H0eqA-0007MR-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 09:05:38 -0500 Message-ID: <010e01c72c1b$946a44c0$496c5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <926390.63854.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 09:05:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=He12xOV5BA8fEorU_N8GceY4kf_7uIxnjOM20NgEWFgxcpb4ScKyFstrDB6WpA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > Yes, can we blame it on Windows? HD-Radio is Linux based. (So I have been told) Perhaps they shoulda used OS/2Warp? Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Dec 30 06:16:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24605 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 14:14:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 14:14:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52207.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.130) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 14:14:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 78124 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2006 14:14:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20061230141455.78122.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: qwuc4toVM1mW1vn3BGuZm9yfv_5dkZCwEUsnh8rfTGbdSiyEgQYuFcEzvxu2mOPR3Ut5oauFBV83sP8ds5abTwjXRNwv..E9weoojOtyizLgI5jazCTm_m9_nSnoRMrXw.T0mbi7ptbFUQ-- Received: from [12.76.217.249] by web52207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 06:14:55 PST Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 06:14:55 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <010e01c72c1b$946a44c0$496c5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=p2PC40QviS_LgR0Fbu_OwVUqnDvR6iMsNRhJbbolObQ X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > Yes, can we blame it on Windows? > > HD-Radio is Linux based. (So I have been told) In the exciters in the transmitter. > Perhaps they shoulda used OS/2Warp? LOL! Amiga OS. Powell NNNN! From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Dec 30 06:29:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97986 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 14:28:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 14:28:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 14:28:58 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.73.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.73] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H0f91-0000Uy-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 09:25:07 -0500 Message-ID: <012201c72c1e$4d148560$496c5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <520370.37606.qm@web52209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 09:25:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=hMXNVcViByKJerESr9pAvS-43sAfCbHoiH_gzxCg4Noa-uKBo7a8c3f4RI2ssA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin Bell wrote: >Do you not know that you are supporting the enemy? You of all people should be jumping for joy that you can actually go out a buy a radio that picks up ANALOG C-QUAM at a mass retail store and for under $1000. The ONLY other home tuners still on the US market that will pick up C-QUAM is the Fanfare FTA-100 for $1895.00 or the Japan Radio Company JRC NRD-545 DSP for $1999.95. Those are the ONLY home AM Stereo tuners left on the market, other than the two HD-Radios that get C-QUAM. While both of these tuners are well worth every red cent of their nearly Two Thousand Dollar price tags, they are simply out of the budget for the average listener. Now for the very first time in nearly 20 years, ANYBODY can go buy a Sangean HDT-1 for $174.95 after rebate and get ANALOG AM-Stereo. While a $2000 dollar tuner would be nice, it just ain't gonna happen on my budget at this time, but I can afford to throw $175 bucks at the HDT-1, so I did. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Dec 30 06:38:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89450 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 14:38:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 14:38:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 14:38:15 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.73.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.73] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H0fER-0000oe-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 09:30:44 -0500 Message-ID: <014001c72c1f$15bc78b0$496c5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <20061230141455.78122.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 09:30:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=hZ-aL__L2o1pxhFGgdvACrAkHBvBV_rqLfgHrtdlxls4-7e5NbwSQhDK9R0gHQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > LOL! Amiga OS. Hey watch out, the people on the board just might figure out we are old farts! Yea, I still got my Apple 2b...and it works! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Dec 30 06:43:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66664 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 14:43:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 14:43:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 14:43:54 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.73.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.73] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H0fOW-0001Kn-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 09:41:08 -0500 Message-ID: <015c01c72c20$89d59500$496c5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <625057.20228.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <4C7E280A-32E8-4E63-8C5D-8B301EA3C151@cox.net> <00ab01c72bb1$d2a23500$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 09:40:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=Sag8Qkrg8Qd8yhar-GIghI-XD4rKRCZDD4YaysNLWgGhaOozbhoSfWbSedmP6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Scott Toddwrote: >Digital storage is cheap enough now that audio can be stored uncompressed. Most of the FMs here are playing MP2s. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Dec 30 07:09:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29518 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 15:09:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 15:09:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fall-pradero.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (207.69.195.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 15:09:29 -0000 Received: from francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net ([207.69.200.54]) by fall-pradero.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1H0f14-0002xd-JX for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 09:16:54 -0500 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.73.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.73] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H0eiw-0006vF-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 08:58:11 -0500 Message-ID: <00e301c72c1a$897f4660$496c5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <20061230071741.83389.qmail@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 08:58:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.195.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Accurian CQUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=20-28Dalymd2rZBjyNTx-m_BeOFO0vlxTVOkmsfOZq1GrX_Il0CGS83i7wuhuQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: >There aren't that many RDS stations anyway Almost half of the FMs I can receive here have RDS. Ford and GM Factory radios have RDS. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Sat Dec 30 07:18:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35187 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 15:18:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 15:18:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.215) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 15:18:11 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 15:15:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 15:15:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 15:15:59 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 15:15:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <012201c72c1e$4d148560$496c5b04@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.244.138.249 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: Home Tuners that Receive C-QuAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=zRDyE6-_syh0qSzQFHdiqPdHt_93na_d5Vn_hxO1Oc-ZOSeBjf0H X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Kevin, You write: >The ONLY other home tuners still on the US market that will pick=20 >up C-QUAM is the Fanfare FTA-100 for $1895.00 or the Japan Radio >Company JRC NRD-545 DSP for $1999.95. Those are the ONLY home AM >Stereo tuners left on the market, other than the two HD-Radios=20 >that get C-QUAM. Another home tuner still on the U.S market that exclusively receives C-QuAM is the Meduci AMX-2000 tuner (details at the following links:) http://Meduci.com http://Meduci.com/amx2000.html From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Dec 30 09:06:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74673 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 17:02:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 17:02:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 17:02:03 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.245.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.245] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H0hXE-0004k5-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 11:58:17 -0500 Message-ID: <01d101c72c33$b23991a0$496c5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <729093.31794.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 11:58:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=wzjeWj2P8FVd75FqQEWiUs8VIc4MFkYmNqJOWKDDn8xAv1H5zryC95pcNKnD3w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: > You don't get anything I say. I get everything you say. You say you don't like HD-Radio, yet have NEVER listened to it! Yea, I have bitched about the sound quality of HD, but I have the right to bitch because I actually listened to it. It was also pointed out that many of the problems I heard was due to poor set-up by the radio station. I think HD-Radio is pretty nifty on FM, but has a long way to go on AM. Nevertheless I am thrilled to get a NICE digital tned radio with C-QUAM for under $200 bucks. You remind me of the kid who HATES Green Beans, yet has never actually tasted them. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Dec 30 09:21:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26234 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 17:21:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 17:21:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 17:21:31 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.245.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.245] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H0htb-0006Pj-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 12:21:26 -0500 Message-ID: <020f01c72c36$ee464ff0$496c5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <20061230065343.97784.qmail@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 12:21:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=Q7YEmIvzTp9lzmGtMbUPtgb5ZxxVEMAPseb3Xvf95KcmMh2h1L85QfWWDrWN3g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: >I don't like any of this compression crap period. Please name just ONE commercial AM or FM station in the Greenville-Spartanburg market that has NO compression. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Dec 30 09:32:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33299 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 17:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 17:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 17:29:26 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.245.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.245] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H0hrO-0006Fz-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 12:19:09 -0500 Message-ID: <020801c72c36$9ccf35b0$496c5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 12:18:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Just wondering ????? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=p_kpdfuflaa9vmP8_Q9oFZk2JwwWk-4Vb3oWDjgXPYdusgbHSntxXowyU7dwvA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Yes, I know the stations in question and they do sound GREAT! When you listen to the KAHN ISB and the Magnavox stations, you wonder what in hell was the FCC thinking. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan" To: Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 10:14 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Just wondering ????? >I know of at least one fulltime and a part time Harris, One Magnavox > and at least one fulltime Kahn station still using the illegal > formats. > > Why, I don't know.... but if anybody else knows of these also, please > keep the call letters off this list. > > > > > Juan > Ft. Pierce > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" > wrote: >> >> Why would the include suppolrt for formats that are no longer legal > to >> broadcast? >> >> Kevin in The Ocala National Forest >> There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a > mathematical >> standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard > Kahn >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "am stereo forum" >> Cc: "jim smith" >> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 6:23 AM >> Subject: {AMSF} Just wondering ????? >> >> >> > Hi Gang I was just wondering if any of the other HD RADIOS did > the same >> > thing??? And i was just wondering if thoughs HD RADIOS decoded > any of the >> > other AM STEREO modes like BEL AIR HARRIS MAGNAVOX and > KAHN?????? >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> > >> > >> > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >> > Yahoo! Groups Links >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From wnmb@sc.rr.com Sat Dec 30 09:33:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81200 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 17:29:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 17:29:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 17:29:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 17:29:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 17:29:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 17:29:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.61.218.234 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=G3wTL1xs4GXrQn26tImfC0XoTZ13HgTy3_YBVoaMsAwxUA X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 I got an Accurian HD Radio this morning. Took it to the radio station=20 and sat it in the production room. Ran the headphone output to the=20 console and there it was......AM Stereo coming out of the speakers. I=20 will post an audio clip to the files section here. Bear in mind, my transmitter and towers are about a dozen miles from=20 the studios and my production room is full of computers; that having=20 been said, it was not a bad sound. I am not an HD Radio fan, but I am excited to find any receiver that=20 will decode and play my AM Stereo. From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sat Dec 30 09:35:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30705 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 17:35:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 17:35:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.21) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 17:35:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 17:33:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 17:33:57 -0000 Date: 30 Dec 2006 17:33:56 -0000 Message-ID: <1167500036.37588.89304.w115@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /Accurian HD 12 30 06.mp3 Uploaded by : wnmb900 Description : AM Stereo 900 WNMB recorded from an Accurian HD Radio on 12/30/06 You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/Accurian%20HD%2012%2030%2006.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, wnmb900 From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Dec 30 10:19:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70982 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 18:13:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 18:13:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao01.cox.net) (68.230.241.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 18:13:04 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061230180659.KEOJ9173.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 13:06:59 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 566D1W00Q2DrW980000000; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 13:06:13 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <926390.63854.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> References: <926390.63854.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 10:06:56 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=jNv1LwJ4f5wXE-LedxjTPsBVwffxy9egNgFMC7xzjHat3wQqSMQXtngU8Us4 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i KNEW it! On Dec 30, 2006, at 5:22 AM, Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > > > Do any of you who have the Accurian radio get > > lockups occasionally as > > it transitions to HD on AM? > > > Richard > > Yes, can we blame it on Windows? > > Powell (ducking} > > NNNN! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Dec 30 10:23:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74583 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 18:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 18:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 18:13:41 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.245.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.245] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H0iXJ-00013U-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 13:02:25 -0500 Message-ID: <025601c72c3c$a8275b80$496c5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 13:02:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=omJxqHxRIoKmeOngT0iwvYBHRl7m5d-OZaHQ7nasWucPBpqQqrlneDxtfNt9Ig X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 I KNOW you have to be happy as hell knowing any Joe Blow can walk into Radio Shack and get a C-QUAM tuner that makes your station sound like that. The Accurian can only help your station grow. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Norman" To: Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:29 PM Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio >I got an Accurian HD Radio this morning. Took it to the radio station > and sat it in the production room. Ran the headphone output to the > console and there it was......AM Stereo coming out of the speakers. I > will post an audio clip to the files section here. > Bear in mind, my transmitter and towers are about a dozen miles from > the studios and my production room is full of computers; that having > been said, it was not a bad sound. > I am not an HD Radio fan, but I am excited to find any receiver that > will decode and play my AM Stereo. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Dec 30 10:46:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5880 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 18:45:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 18:45:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 18:45:26 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.221.189]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 143077395 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 12:24:48 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c601c72c40$583759a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 12:28:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.221.189 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Home Tuners that Receive C-QuAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=A5_LXvqys-u7g1wZ7kBC2YEwHiZIpIG8izRgwhlOiAPfkoZdcv5V X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Works like a champ and costs a lot less too! A happy customer, Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeffdeck2001" > Kevin, > > You write: > >The ONLY other home tuners still on the US market that will pick > >up C-QUAM is the Fanfare FTA-100 for $1895.00 or the Japan Radio > >Company JRC NRD-545 DSP for $1999.95. Those are the ONLY home AM > >Stereo tuners left on the market, other than the two HD-Radios > >that get C-QUAM. > > Another home tuner still on the U.S market that exclusively > receives C-QuAM is the Meduci AMX-2000 tuner (details at the > following links:) > > http://Meduci.com > http://Meduci.com/amx2000.html From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Dec 30 11:05:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1365 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 18:58:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 18:58:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.29) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 18:58:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 8324 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2006 18:58:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4OP9ue8VM1mBuNo.dv.P1MZ3a4XPWTCZMfHoKpWhoM_EVOA1JsjtiTsxkWNXwW3uX49aMNyPLLGDBU854La4vAiaiUR3V_UNlhu5iSwTW2BV2.V6sYRRVITEJsYi.oJhjFFIa4Lfrjlj6vGI0duqvthVu6MeXkVZ2ktUGv9aL8fB7N0pCbCFVg-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 10:58:02 PST Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 10:58:02 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <520370.37606.qm@web52209.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <48089.7306.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=4VY0sQW-L6E_CNUvNERU1x7tYAVncNVifFEkDiPtmlYOh67g822S X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I do agree with a lot of what you said but not all. I do think that any way you support HD is taking away from the analog people. If we don't buy those radios and there are is less interest then it would have a harder time catching on. With all these folks running out to buy the Sangean, Accurian, etc it gives the false statement to the industry by numbers that HD is in fact catching on when in fact it isnt so much. I would appreciate it though if no one on here called me son as I am 33 and a grown ass man with my own opinions, just a less bit dusty. :o) --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Kevin Bell wrote: > > > None of you get my point, you read into it what > you > > want. > > > WRONG. > > > Do you not know that you are supporting the > > enemy? > > NO we are not. > > > > What happened to all the ANALOG stereo AM > > supporters out there? > > > >+ You know that if you support > > that HD thing and I mean even by buying a radio > > means > > the end of your analog transmissions sooner or > > later. > > What happened to people standing up for something > > they > > believe in. No I don't think AM or FM has the > BEST > > sound period. The technology is good but not the > > best. No one ever said it was the best. My main > > point is this. Why buy an HD, even if it decoded > > CQUAM? Why not buy one of Chris Cuff's analog AM > > stereo tuners if you want CQUAM? Why support HD > > when > > you really don't like it? This forum used to be > > about > > AM analog stereo supporters. > > It still is. > > > > You are all giving in > > to the HD shiny new appearance or whatever. > > No, we were discussing that chipset supporting > CQUAM. > I expect if it didn't, the radios and tuners would > not > have been bought or returned. > > REMEMBER, KEVIN, THERE ARE BROADCASTERS ON THIS > FORUM, > AND THEY WANT TO CHECK HD OUT AS EITHER THEIR > STATIONS > OR COMPETTION ARE RUNNING HD. > > > > I can't > > believe all you old guys in here that grew up on > > analog even supporting the purchase of an HD radio > > regardless of what it receives. You're supporting > > the other camp. > > > R E A D W H A T I S A I D A B O V E A G A I > N > > > > You are allowing them to win the format > > wars. > > > WRONG > > > Their immaculate plan one day will be to turn > > off all analog when they get everyone to take the > > mark of the HD beast. > > Son, that's been the plan since day one, no matter > what. Do not forget this. I have said this in the > past. And guess what your biggest loss is? CONTROL > over your radio. > > > > Then all your precious classic > > pieces of audio equipment will nto work on AM or > FM. > > > There won't be any analog signal. If everyone > > switches over to HD then why would there be the > > demand to keep up the analog signal. Then what? > > The sunset to analog transmission will be before > "everyone" gets a HD radio. > > > Another > > digital format? > > Eventually. > > > Yeah that's what it would be then > > it, would be time to get yet another type radio. > > > With other forms of transmitting media, it's likely > radio may not survive in any form we recognize, and > way sooner than we think. > > > I just > > think you guys sold your soul to the HD camp. > > > No. > > > > Broadcasters that would buy one of these, I mean > > it's like shooting yourself in the foot. > > I the case of the BIG boys, they are investors. > > > I know someone > > has to be thinking the same thing I am about this. > > > When it comes to digital I have CD's and I have a > > DAT machine which doesnt get used much at all. > > DAT machines are VERY finicky. > > > I still prefer my analog tape. > > > I'm afraid that will go away too soon. > > > I'm nowhere near as old as > > you guys and I can't believe i'm the sole one > >supporting analog. > > Wrong. > > >I don't happen to see so much wrong with > > analog. > > I don't either, but I see a LOT wrong with current > receivers. Don't get me started on that. > > > Radio is radio, it won't be the CD or the > > master recording. It is what it is. If you want > to > > hear a song in higher resolution than what you > hear > > on the radio you go and buy the CD right? > > NOT anymore. The current CD's are crushed and > smushed > so badly, radio stations are demanding uncompressed > and limited versions as they won't "play" on the > radio > in a listenable fashion. > > > Radio is what it is, it's radio. I still love and > >support analog formats and I think this forum needs > >to get back to analog stereo. > > > And you are the one creating the most noise. > > Powell > > > NNNN! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Dec 30 11:08:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7324 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 19:08:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 19:08:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.34) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 19:08:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 89313 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2006 19:06:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 9TvpxH0VM1m2gi88x1q79iyKXN4Mds.VD3vkqVzNxP79a96uzFCpGP9NsUDtmrVbIOau7rco_xT6pksWmcC9NdfWIpVvnof8I8nztpOyO5mfy3sWHA4Gj9slcj4cu9BeX1BUaol1 Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 11:06:56 PST Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 11:06:56 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <01d101c72c33$b23991a0$496c5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <476537.88719.qm@web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=uqd9aAnqC1o4ujFxoRlbs3mHmTfcAWp5kLv1XqkaXzevAK0puWfR X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I know exactly how MP3's sound and probably did before you knew what they did as that whole thing started while I was in college. Everyone was downloading those things like crazy in the early days and they sounded like crap then and still do. I don't care what rate HD is recorded or produced in, it's still a compression technology that still isn't recorded in a high enough bit rate. That is evidenced by what you guys keep harping on, space. Oh but radio stations are doing it so they can have less space. Well mind you if that is so then they ARE recording them in lower bit rates. How do you think they save space, huh? It's called a lower bit rate. Typical run of the mill MP3's are recorded at 128kbps while a similar file on a CD is 1142kbps. Now if they aren't concerned with space, as you say they are, then why not just use CD's? If their current compression technologies are designed to save space then they HAVE to use a lower bitrate to achieve that space. Else they'd just have continued to use CD's. I'm no fool with computers and space. --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Kevin Bell wrote: > > You don't get anything I say. > > I get everything you say. You say you don't like > HD-Radio, yet have NEVER > listened to it! Yea, I have bitched about the sound > quality of HD, but I > have the right to bitch because I actually listened > to it. > > It was also pointed out that many of the problems I > heard was due to poor > set-up by the radio station. > > I think HD-Radio is pretty nifty on FM, but has a > long way to go on AM. > Nevertheless I am thrilled to get a NICE digital > tned radio with C-QUAM for > under $200 bucks. > > You remind me of the kid who HATES Green Beans, yet > has never actually > tasted them. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Dec 30 11:08:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53503 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 19:04:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 19:04:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.31) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 19:04:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 82856 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2006 19:00:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20061230190044.82854.qmail@web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: kCewSuEVM1mKW53gr3.mWAtvT8D3W17Rva7no4sCiNUCsma3BlPSqaK4ZEEXKqcNzOPv2sl1eK1OQweDLdT3wBE3C1PYdgaPeWyXEdhm_Vbpb77HXPBVw4t7aazVnAfLqK3uq_hx Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 11:00:44 PST Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 11:00:44 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <012201c72c1e$4d148560$496c5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=GHXZkD7xl39PA7vTmKl68Lo2EIjr1Duxe8nu6GZn82MLP__HmhV3 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Again I point you guys to this website and yes it is under $1000, perhaps he should start charging more due to peoples idea that you can't find one under $1000. I would if I were him! http://meduci.com/amx2000.html --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Kevin Bell wrote: > >Do you not know that you are supporting the enemy? > > You of all people should be jumping for joy that you > can actually go out a buy a radio that picks up > ANALOG C-QUAM at a mass retail store and for under > $1000. The ONLY other home tuners still on the US > market that will pick up C-QUAM is the Fanfare > FTA-100 for $1895.00 or the Japan Radio Company JRC > NRD-545 DSP for $1999.95. Those are the ONLY home AM > Stereo tuners left on the market, other than the two > HD-Radios that get C-QUAM. > > While both of these tuners are well worth every red > cent of their nearly Two Thousand Dollar price tags, > they are simply out of the budget for the average > listener. Now for the very first time in nearly 20 > years, ANYBODY can go buy a Sangean HDT-1 for > $174.95 after rebate and get ANALOG AM-Stereo. > > While a $2000 dollar tuner would be nice, it just > ain't gonna happen on my budget at this time, but I > can afford to throw $175 bucks at the HDT-1, so I > did. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in > frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Dec 30 11:09:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74399 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 19:02:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 19:02:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.31) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 19:02:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 83526 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2006 19:02:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LEv9S4gVM1m0uiYe68WwEPkWate6mK_OKfFZ1vwyZoWO0uBiqtfELh9DNMEoT6moC0Nt_C9xFyjs6zTqrMIhPgNvGn.uA6Eh_aIOWzXy_ecdyKO02P2FZq34X1c0tlX.JRTsTDSH Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 11:02:24 PST Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 11:02:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <503390.82902.qm@web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Home Tuners that Receive C-QuAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=UA8Pd0nGeI1F7TIASMaVZk7v_-GGEmHuKKD2N4EZdbUIMLGD1rCB X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Jeff, yep you actually get it!! I wonder where the other guys minds are on that! I actually posted that link as well! --- jeffdeck2001 wrote: > Kevin, > > You write: > >The ONLY other home tuners still on the US market > that will pick > >up C-QUAM is the Fanfare FTA-100 for $1895.00 or > the Japan Radio > >Company JRC NRD-545 DSP for $1999.95. Those are the > ONLY home AM > >Stereo tuners left on the market, other than the > two HD-Radios > >that get C-QUAM. > > Another home tuner still on the U.S market that > exclusively > receives C-QuAM is the Meduci AMX-2000 tuner > (details at the > following links:) > > http://Meduci.com > http://Meduci.com/amx2000.html > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Dec 30 11:17:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85334 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 19:11:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 19:11:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 19:11:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 87124 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2006 19:09:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WdBqshUVM1lp1HaGIcgWTlsSo6710Sul4Bpc7zSO.6VCGHVKBNAgP_b4E.9HcnAVVy2h_fgVLpJiez5h8cBI5QRrqab6lgdRApG0C37GgNh.W4UYB2FC7KxNsUGUZDR51ar2U2A2 Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 11:09:27 PST Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 11:09:27 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <025601c72c3c$a8275b80$496c5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <816731.86537.qm@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=-M4FEB0-kmFCPt6wZ5urpa5TK7t7du4phuENZ-PwifxyOENb0LY- X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Joe blow can also order one of these which is much better connected to a stereo than something with tiny speakers and a low powered amp would be, thats my point on this one! http://meduci.com/amx2000.html --- Possum Hunter wrote: > I KNOW you have to be happy as hell knowing any Joe > Blow can walk into Radio > Shack and get a C-QUAM tuner that makes your station > sound like that. The > Accurian can only help your station grow. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Norman" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:29 PM > Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack > Accurian HD Radio > > > >I got an Accurian HD Radio this morning. Took it > to the radio station > > and sat it in the production room. Ran the > headphone output to the > > console and there it was......AM Stereo coming out > of the speakers. I > > will post an audio clip to the files section here. > > Bear in mind, my transmitter and towers are about > a dozen miles from > > the studios and my production room is full of > computers; that having > > been said, it was not a bad sound. > > I am not an HD Radio fan, but I am excited to find > any receiver that > > will decode and play my AM Stereo. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Dec 30 11:17:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72969 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 19:09:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 19:09:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 19:09:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 55742 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2006 19:08:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1ZsmZ48VM1nNvVXMtnNSippE1WSWsT.1bSrJ.lJXvX6IXqX_dQmNnmq_nNek2EFiDrK1JzrNcgodzz6.D4wiCHLx8D_0.nFw66NSl.22e4fCv3_v1mmOhZcUhzcbJsJXtkbEEJhDojlCvPbOMy1HIm.6LDHC_a75yE0uhiJIv.3mt_MXbTnfSA-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 11:08:40 PST Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 11:08:40 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <020f01c72c36$ee464ff0$496c5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <467964.55360.qm@web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=prUzpJnMHCIbouewIh8sFkHk66GFfaAP-sp9R8Hgb8ORWtpF2joP X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke For the last time i'm not talking about compressors, those are a different thing in the audio chain. Not on the board or rack side!! I am talking about bit rate compression on a computer! --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Kevin Bell wrote: > >I don't like any of this compression crap period. > > Please name just ONE commercial AM or FM station in > the > Greenville-Spartanburg market that has NO > compression. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Dec 30 12:26:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90557 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 20:23:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 20:23:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.33) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 20:23:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 55851 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2006 19:01:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20061230190140.55849.qmail@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: JeCvJPgVM1kTcacbEIR3wb4HwC8GKfb.3UkcniOTCCoZ9FAusUrHnPW5E44ByTvPt8q1Z0XKjO0qyisBY7aldYV4m3GBckFAxoTTL4y3A.ocWcIKsOJ.tjnqX7E0a51eFKG9_Qxe1VK29IMz4GlWWY3ZRmhy3Evfyr8KL5HM9fWaCos3ADs68w-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 11:01:40 PST Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 11:01:40 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <015c01c72c20$89d59500$496c5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=mrqHqXHDkVYt8600QCksYTlCjJ_usM4ZQnk5qAhrapiYHGUlk49S X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke As is XM, I know one of their DJ's and he has confirmed this to me. --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Scott Toddwrote: > >Digital storage is cheap enough now that audio can > be stored uncompressed. > > Most of the FMs here are playing MP2s. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Dec 30 13:08:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11559 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 21:07:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 21:07:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao02.cox.net) (68.230.241.37) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 21:07:58 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061230210723.QQHQ97.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 16:07:23 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 596d1W00Y2DrW980000000; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 16:06:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061230190140.55849.qmail@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <20061230190140.55849.qmail@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5382CA71-D106-41BF-89F0-A95A0B28B176@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 13:07:21 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: C-QUAM and HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=jkj-LQVVtMGEKpWN76PbmxPtiKb9NmgB4gPV8bhMvZ8LSV3-Vjj6kHhgIgho X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner I had forgotten that KFOX in Torrance is still C-QUAM. So I tried out the Accurian radio, and it does indeed decode it. I heard it open up in sound, and I saw it on the VU meters on my stereo. For best reception, I did have to use my Radio Shack loop antenna. I also tried the loop and was able to get KOGO from San Diego in HD from Rancho Palos Verdes. We are close to the ocean, so the signal is fairly good. I think San Diego is about 100 miles from here. Richard From mspproductions@gmail.com Sat Dec 30 13:23:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mspproductions@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61688 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 21:22:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 21:22:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.178) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 21:22:13 -0000 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id h31so3223856pyc for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 13:20:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.66.1 with SMTP id t1mr32771907pyk.1167513609265; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 13:20:09 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [75.24.12.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24sm13895678nzn.2006.12.30.13.20.07; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 13:20:08 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.2.061213 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 16:20:04 -0500 To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio Thread-Index: AccsWEWchAiRRphLEduzRQADk639Qg== In-Reply-To: <816731.86537.qm@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Matt Patoray Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272439332; y=1SvvhHFiPj8_LZERFs44HwMa7YmEDP6rO6SvWipjTJa9aSI X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_patoray Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I still think your kind of missing the point, yes you can get the AMX2k tuners or go to audiocubes.com and get the Sony AM Stereo radios, but the thing form RS is available to most people who will be sucked in by the lie of =B3High Definition Radio=B2 as all the CC stations in Pittsburgh (the cl= osest place to me with HD radio, about 50 miles) tag it. And the will end up buying it and when it switched to real am stereo they might be impressed an= d see the fraud. And since HD is so far from me I will not be buying the Segan for HD but for the CQUAM to replace an aging flaky Sony tuner connected to my livingroom stereo, the Accurin is not available around here and the sales idiots don=B9t even know what I am asking about, so it=B9s of= f to universal radio. Matt On 12/30/06 2:09 PM, "Kevin Bell" wrote: >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Joe blow can also order one of these which is much > better connected to a stereo than something with tiny > speakers and a low powered amp would be, thats my > point on this one! >=20 > http://meduci.com/amx2000.html >=20 > --- Possum Hunter > wrote: >=20 >> > I KNOW you have to be happy as hell knowing any Joe >> > Blow can walk into Radio >> > Shack and get a C-QUAM tuner that makes your station >> > sound like that. The >> > Accurian can only help your station grow. >> >=20 >> > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest >> > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. >> > From a mathematical >> > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response >> > than FM. - Leonard Kahn >> >=20 >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Bill Norman" > >> > To: > >> > Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:29 PM >> > Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack >> > Accurian HD Radio >> >=20 >> >=20 >>> > >I got an Accurian HD Radio this morning. Took it >> > to the radio station >>> > > and sat it in the production room. Ran the >> > headphone output to the >>> > > console and there it was......AM Stereo coming out >> > of the speakers. I >>> > > will post an audio clip to the files section here. >>> > > Bear in mind, my transmitter and towers are about >> > a dozen miles from >>> > > the studios and my production room is full of >> > computers; that having >>> > > been said, it was not a bad sound. >>> > > I am not an HD Radio fan, but I am excited to find >> > any receiver that >>> > > will decode and play my AM Stereo. >> >=20 >> >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Dec 30 14:31:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11693 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 22:27:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 22:27:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 22:27:28 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.104.172.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.104.172] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H0mfl-0006tB-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 17:27:26 -0500 Message-ID: <034f01c72c61$ad917770$496c5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <20061230190140.55849.qmail@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 17:27:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=Y2LjjFwOvlKkBm1KWLRuKA19QCRR0YkYXwPxbUrMdVUOV7_w-n2GUa0rAGSe5g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Do you like the sound of XM? Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" To: Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 2:01 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test > As is XM, I know one of their DJ's and he has > confirmed this to me. > > > > > --- Possum Hunter wrote: > >> Scott Toddwrote: >> >Digital storage is cheap enough now that audio can >> be stored uncompressed. >> >> Most of the FMs here are playing MP2s. >> >> Kevin in The Ocala National Forest >> There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. >> From a mathematical >> standpoint, AM does better in frequency response >> than FM. - Leonard Kahn >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Dec 30 14:41:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64901 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 22:38:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 22:38:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.32) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 22:38:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 94789 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2006 22:38:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: T4sIpQMVM1kpWSREaN4uDYPfDwfFf.pDF_RmddFxnqKtIy_FkZKypWTCAil1gv4GBEX_WVUgsKyMj0t1KQ1kzYnRL_vLRRQSxG0Nnr5MbuIYWDyIQhSRbda_WZf1S6Arz8RCEWJg5LjTt9c.C1ecofW.THowZtqzbHwWBLMyGmoiEKiAkaN3pg-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:38:13 PST Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:38:13 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <034f01c72c61$ad917770$496c5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <183988.94337.qm@web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=Eb7WAPzXHEGZRfQfOTRkF0l9LgUxpHfXThvaD8q3Vm59zMFCtS3A X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke No honestly I do not. I do like the content on XM but not the sound. I think that it could be so much better. I am well aware that they use MP2. At the time I purchased it there were no oldies stations around here. I bought it mainly for the 60s and 70s channels. I of course also like it for the talk shows which isn't as concerned with sound quality as is music channels. I think things will improve with XM as time goes on but who knows, maybe not. But no I do not much care for the sound so much. I just wanted oldies and had not had them much around here, well that is nothing decent playlist wise. --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Do you like the sound of XM? > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Bell" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 2:01 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test > > > > As is XM, I know one of their DJ's and he has > > confirmed this to me. > > > > > > > > > > --- Possum Hunter > wrote: > > > >> Scott Toddwrote: > >> >Digital storage is cheap enough now that audio > can > >> be stored uncompressed. > >> > >> Most of the FMs here are playing MP2s. > >> > >> Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > >> There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM > radio. > >> From a mathematical > >> standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > >> than FM. - Leonard Kahn > >> > >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Dec 30 14:50:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5087 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 22:47:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 22:47:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.26) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 22:47:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 41585 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2006 22:35:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XB2wMVwVM1ne6ueBietDLyIIP_5dut8PeLITH31XOPQyPr0hJ1RsKfEA_b.Lmfyz8Az7LXRkr2PvsIL5bEa4h6jlKTOBfUr5SI0ZO3Ig74UbItcHcZiyWCm.flo8WxwUD3F7aoB5rX5Cxp7D.ZfhpX3MZEglnkUbiIutKma5TRTWD_QE9ySbpDMfgMxXaHaFH2FuHezr Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:35:03 PST Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:35:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <866541.40263.qm@web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=tRjGn-1uQxn94QvijyGb0L9fzQ8jOPGoIY6YlXL6FsUKcgPb_G1D X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Yes unfortunately they will be sucked in to the lie about HD radio. HD=Hybrid Digital, not High Definition as a lot of people think! Of course most people don't read, study, or know anything about computers or the technology around them either. I just happened to have grown up around them. :o) --- Matt Patoray wrote: > Hi, > > I still think your kind of missing the point, yes > you can get the AMX2k > tuners or go to audiocubes.com and get the Sony AM > Stereo radios, but the > thing form RS is available to most people who will > be sucked in by the lie > of ³High Definition Radio² as all the CC stations in > Pittsburgh (the closest > place to me with HD radio, about 50 miles) tag it. > And the will end up > buying it and when it switched to real am stereo > they might be impressed and > see the fraud. And since HD is so far from me I > will not be buying the > Segan for HD but for the CQUAM to replace an aging > flaky Sony tuner > connected to my livingroom stereo, the Accurin is > not available around here > and the sales idiots don¹t even know what I am > asking about, so it¹s off to > universal radio. > > Matt > > > On 12/30/06 2:09 PM, "Kevin Bell" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Joe blow can also order one of these which is much > > better connected to a stereo than something with > tiny > > speakers and a low powered amp would be, thats my > > point on this one! > > > > http://meduci.com/amx2000.html > > > > --- Possum Hunter > > wrote: > > > >> > I KNOW you have to be happy as hell knowing any > Joe > >> > Blow can walk into Radio > >> > Shack and get a C-QUAM tuner that makes your > station > >> > sound like that. The > >> > Accurian can only help your station grow. > >> > > >> > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > >> > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM > radio. > >> > From a mathematical > >> > standpoint, AM does better in frequency > response > >> > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Bill Norman" > > >> > To: > > > >> > Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:29 PM > >> > Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio > Shack > >> > Accurian HD Radio > >> > > >> > > >>> > >I got an Accurian HD Radio this morning. > Took it > >> > to the radio station > >>> > > and sat it in the production room. Ran the > >> > headphone output to the > >>> > > console and there it was......AM Stereo > coming out > >> > of the speakers. I > >>> > > will post an audio clip to the files section > here. > >>> > > Bear in mind, my transmitter and towers are > about > >> > a dozen miles from > >>> > > the studios and my production room is full > of > >> > computers; that having > >>> > > been said, it was not a bad sound. > >>> > > I am not an HD Radio fan, but I am excited > to find > >> > any receiver that > >>> > > will decode and play my AM Stereo. > >> > > >> > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Dec 30 15:11:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43611 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2006 23:02:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2006 23:02:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.205) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2006 23:02:29 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 23:02:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2006 23:02:20 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 23:02:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20061230190140.55849.qmail@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.254.150 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=Cwaek2SSHwMhrrqR84sPmAfCTqw176l-a-y4MMlCcyFr_uGiIw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > As is XM, I know one of their DJ's and he has > confirmed this to me.=20 XM has their music library stored as 384 kbps MP2 files. From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sat Dec 30 16:18:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66178 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 00:17:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 00:17:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.22) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 00:17:45 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2006 00:14:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2006 00:14:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 00:14:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.74.108.196 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: AM Stereo Accurian HD Radio or the CQUAM Trojan Horse? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=K20uyXlGSDD7LlgEGkOpMQLnLgjw2JYOn1s_2VKd-YA X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 I was reading with extremely interest the last days storm of messages=20 that gave the group a "flame" of revival!!! That was at least the=20 first good part of the introduction of my message here...=20 The headline theme was tuned by me to a ancient Greek story written=20 before at least 2400 years from Homer at Iliad! Yes I know, but hey=20 I'm my self a Greek ;)=20 The "Trojan Horse"!!!=20 What that has to do with HD receivers? Or better... what the=20 hell "Tojan Horse" has to do with HD receivers HAVING the (hidden?)=20 capability to also decode a dead (???) stereo analog system, the C- QUAM ?=20 Well folks... IT HAS!!!=20 I from experience, knowing that designers (meaning the engineers & not=20 the marketing only departments) have ways to draw "feedback" comments=20 of the "do & don't" needs of an under development product... And in=20 some cases give some more to sell better. These cases are quite=20 similar than the HD development vs CQUAM withdrawal "proposal" to a=20 buyer, market, etc.=20 So if you knowing or you are afraid that your market will be VERY=20 sceptical to buy a product only for the "new unsure technology" and=20 that will meaning very slow market penetration and slow increase of=20 sales, then you have to work out a "Trojan Horse" method to "promote"=20 your product to the existing market. So you have to give an "extra=20 feature" that is more acceptable and usefull to the average buyer. In=20 our case what this will be, if you want to sale HD radios? Make them",=20 I'm sure you have heard these again ;)... "BACKWARD COMPATIBLE"!!!=20 That will make your product marketed at a "win - win" situation...=20 And in our case nobody (meaning the common user) will realy knowing=20 when was HD reception on stereo sound or CQUAM... So after a while it=20 will be easier to make the transition to full HD as all users will=20 say "I've got an HD radio and is stereo.." even if the stereo was=20 coming on CQUAM...=20 That's a Trojan Horse gentlement! Let them put it in (buy HD radios)=20 and then kill it (the old disturbing CQUAM system...), and nobody will=20 ever understand what and how it happened...=20 Yes, seems a bit weird, isn't? But tell me, don't you know that here=20 at this group we have IBOC persons, that can take seriously your=20 thaughts about receivers and HD vs CQUAM uprising war? Think about it=20 for a moment... or two :)=20 Another thing is that CQUAM is used also in other countries, that=20 haven't yet shut it down, and/or haven't yet decide if and when HD=20 will be the candidate system for use on them... But having a receiver=20 on market that could do BOTH HD & CQUAM doesn't "make it easier" for=20 them to decide which will be the "next system" for AM? It's easier to=20 have available receivers from now that can decode the OLD (?) BUT=20 STILL EXISTING C-QUAM system, and are ready made to the transition on=20 HD if and when they decide? That also broadens your market, as the new=20 product will also sell at markets that have NEED for NEW CQUAM TUNERS!=20 Isn't that a marketing ruling "win-win" situation, or not?=20 OK then why "Trojan Horse"? Because that will make everybody forget=20 the CQUAM system! Well, that means that nobody will ask for the "AM=20 stereo system receiver" but will ask for "that HD radios"...=20 What a way to make the market accept easily a new technology=20 product,and do the transition to it, even if there wasn't a real need=20 for it! ;)=20 Just a not... I'm far away from living as an anti-digital person... I=20 just have been more than 20 years a tech radio pro, and have been=20 involved with radio broadcasting since I can remember my self... And=20 have some experience also with DAB (VHF) and lately with with DRM...=20 But have also a CQUAM experience (little I must say, as is only based=20 from the last 2 years test broadcastings we have made here at Athens),=20 and the system is reliable for what is it! It provides real AM stereo=20 sound and when its BW isn't cutted at 7.5KHz is FM comparable... Yes=20 it needs good antenna systems, good transmitter tuning, ect...=20 And I also strongly believe that radio is media that doesn't have to=20 be digitized on the air, for one reason... to be received when it=20 needed, with the easiest method someone can build... ;)=20 So let me ask the other engineers on the group... The HD or DRM, or=20 whatever other digital IQ based systems DOESN'T?=20 Sorry for my long message, but thats my 2c thaughts...=20 "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts..."=20 I'm a Greek, maybe I know something more about it... :))=20 I said at start what was the first good thing...=20 So here is the second and maybe the best...=20 Life has strange ways to put thing on track... Maybe the HD (CQUAM)=20 radios will be the Trojan horses for the HD at the end... Who knows?=20 Will see...=20 But till then, can somebody buy one of these Accurian "trojan horses"=20 for me and send it Athens Greece? I'll pay all the cost, by paypal or=20 other way...=20 ANYONE????=20 :))=20 =20 =20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > > I got an Accurian HD Radio this morning. Took it to the radio=20 station=20 > and sat it in the production room. Ran the headphone output to the=20 > console and there it was......AM Stereo coming out of the speakers.=20 I=20 > will post an audio clip to the files section here. > Bear in mind, my transmitter and towers are about a dozen miles from=20 > the studios and my production room is full of computers; that=20 having=20 > been said, it was not a bad sound. > I am not an HD Radio fan, but I am excited to find any receiver that=20 > will decode and play my AM Stereo. > From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Dec 30 17:53:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66282 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 01:53:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 01:53:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao10.cox.net) (68.230.241.29) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 01:53:17 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061231015252.MVAE20715.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 20:52:52 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 5Ds61W00o2DrW980000000; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 20:52:07 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <866541.40263.qm@web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <866541.40263.qm@web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <817D77AA-52AB-443D-B9F2-1F3BDE61D9F2@cox.net> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 17:52:50 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=Nhp-5zbw5UK5EVzT-ejC96OGD_XjP7JS9LCmbGtfloQtMOOJrdsgsMx4PmT0 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, HD stands for nothing. As far as being sucked in, I have to say, I have been. I like it. Will it work in moving environments like a car? Are interference problems too much to overcome? I don't know. But for home use, HD sounds better than 90 percent of the AM stereo radios I ever heard, even on AM. Unlike AM stereo, which did not bring new people to AM because so many radios were narrowband stereo, or were so expensive most couldn't afford it, HD has a chance. It tunes easier, and sounds better. That's from MY ears, not what others have told me. Richard Wagoner On Dec 30, 2006, at 2:35 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > HD=Hybrid Digital, not High > Definition as a lot of people think! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Dec 30 17:55:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9387 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 01:53:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 01:53:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.33) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 01:53:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 56446 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2006 01:53:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20061231015350.56444.qmail@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: g2W4x0oVM1lXzd.7nbnwUga3Yh9k4lzCSSls2YLEZQwDMIf.6pzlANWnA9ByQBN0CKQLkDmatgMvsz8oeLPHD4.fr171wticavFEPt9tkpSguVFzWf4DRvKwTh3Cwb5WdIJwN1YS Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 17:53:50 PST Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 17:53:50 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=pzdgpw67zg4PTm2bpmGiyBof0nTDj8PCt0q3R3XKEK3W0zHE4D0c X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Yes I said it was MP2's. 384kbps is still a far cry from 1142 kbps which is the bit rate of a CD file. Few ever look at that factor though. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Dec 30 17:57:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24023 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 01:51:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 01:51:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.27) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 01:51:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 6702 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2006 01:51:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20061231015121.6700.qmail@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: PjoqzksVM1kRF7rPFYlyMQcQDc7tpWG9IXQEnMztPSRRzbfiZCc5Hp4vdUyHc1FUNWrgwJ1kBj9488W2PLPmmfM_sVFIzrVy.KugkOHsrqwptYEwlNmrsF5MSuIwy13muhITqfG.2GpZdNKORIXsUC27e19DWYHugn8mWPWBGMf72rLnC6xM4A-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 17:51:20 PST Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 17:51:20 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Accurian HD Radio or the CQUAM Trojan Horse? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=A6C01QBEIJ1BcNDnD24kMoWyvMdOO8nx0qXYejG89U9D9V7OUDwU X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Thats what i've been saying, it will create a "false positive" for the industy making HD look more accepted than it actually is. They'll look at numbers of radios sold. They knew that all these CQUAM guys would start buying these things because of that. It makes the HD market look better. How clever! As time passes they drop the bottom out of CQUAM and then its gone. I truly believe few on here really understand the complexities of this or what some of us have been saying. Ultimately the future of analog CQUAM AM doesnt look good. This is just another blow to it's side intended to make HD sales look much better. If you've had Marketing 301 then you already know this. I see this nothing more than an intentional false positive injected for the benefit of HD sales numbers and to further promote it's cause. --- Sotiris wrote: > Hi > I was reading with extremely interest the last days > storm of messages > that gave the group a "flame" of revival!!! That was > at least the > first good part of the introduction of my message > here... > The headline theme was tuned by me to a ancient > Greek story written > before at least 2400 years from Homer at Iliad! Yes > I know, but hey > I'm my self a Greek ;) > The "Trojan Horse"!!! > What that has to do with HD receivers? Or better... > what the > hell "Tojan Horse" has to do with HD receivers > HAVING the (hidden?) > capability to also decode a dead (???) stereo analog > system, the C- > QUAM ? > Well folks... IT HAS!!! > I from experience, knowing that designers (meaning > the engineers & not > the marketing only departments) have ways to draw > "feedback" comments > of the "do & don't" needs of an under development > product... And in > some cases give some more to sell better. These > cases are quite > similar than the HD development vs CQUAM withdrawal > "proposal" to a > buyer, market, etc. > So if you knowing or you are afraid that your market > will be VERY > sceptical to buy a product only for the "new unsure > technology" and > that will meaning very slow market penetration and > slow increase of > sales, then you have to work out a "Trojan Horse" > method to "promote" > your product to the existing market. So you have to > give an "extra > feature" that is more acceptable and usefull to the > average buyer. In > our case what this will be, if you want to sale HD > radios? Make them", > I'm sure you have heard these again ;)... "BACKWARD > COMPATIBLE"!!! > That will make your product marketed at a "win - > win" situation... > And in our case nobody (meaning the common user) > will realy knowing > when was HD reception on stereo sound or CQUAM... So > after a while it > will be easier to make the transition to full HD as > all users will > say "I've got an HD radio and is stereo.." even if > the stereo was > coming on CQUAM... > That's a Trojan Horse gentlement! Let them put it in > (buy HD radios) > and then kill it (the old disturbing CQUAM > system...), and nobody will > ever understand what and how it happened... > Yes, seems a bit weird, isn't? But tell me, don't > you know that here > at this group we have IBOC persons, that can take > seriously your > thaughts about receivers and HD vs CQUAM uprising > war? Think about it > for a moment... or two :) > Another thing is that CQUAM is used also in other > countries, that > haven't yet shut it down, and/or haven't yet decide > if and when HD > will be the candidate system for use on them... But > having a receiver > on market that could do BOTH HD & CQUAM doesn't > "make it easier" for > them to decide which will be the "next system" for > AM? It's easier to > have available receivers from now that can decode > the OLD (?) BUT > STILL EXISTING C-QUAM system, and are ready made to > the transition on > HD if and when they decide? That also broadens your > market, as the new > product will also sell at markets that have NEED for > NEW CQUAM TUNERS! > Isn't that a marketing ruling "win-win" situation, > or not? > OK then why "Trojan Horse"? Because that will make > everybody forget > the CQUAM system! Well, that means that nobody will > ask for the "AM > stereo system receiver" but will ask for "that HD > radios"... > What a way to make the market accept easily a new > technology > product,and do the transition to it, even if there > wasn't a real need > for it! ;) > Just a not... I'm far away from living as an > anti-digital person... I > just have been more than 20 years a tech radio pro, > and have been > involved with radio broadcasting since I can > remember my self... And > have some experience also with DAB (VHF) and lately > with with DRM... > But have also a CQUAM experience (little I must say, > as is only based > from the last 2 years test broadcastings we have > made here at Athens), > and the system is reliable for what is it! It > provides real AM stereo > sound and when its BW isn't cutted at 7.5KHz is FM > comparable... Yes > it needs good antenna systems, good transmitter > tuning, ect... > And I also strongly believe that radio is media that > doesn't have to > be digitized on the air, for one reason... to be > received when it > needed, with the easiest method someone can build... > ;) > > So let me ask the other engineers on the group... > The HD or DRM, or > whatever other digital IQ based systems DOESN'T? > > Sorry for my long message, but thats my 2c > thaughts... > > "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts..." > I'm a Greek, maybe I know something more about it... > :)) > > I said at start what was the first good thing... > So here is the second and maybe the best... > Life has strange ways to put thing on track... Maybe > the HD (CQUAM) > radios will be the Trojan horses for the HD at the > end... Who knows? > Will see... > But till then, can somebody buy one of these > Accurian "trojan horses" > for me and send it Athens Greece? I'll pay all the > cost, by paypal or > other way... > ANYONE???? > :)) > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" > wrote: > > > > I got an Accurian HD Radio this morning. Took it > to the radio > station > > and sat it in the production room. Ran the > headphone output to the > > console and there it was......AM Stereo coming out > of the speakers. > I > > will post an audio clip to the files section here. > > Bear in mind, my transmitter and towers are about > a dozen miles from > > the studios and my production room is full of > computers; that > having > > been said, it was not a bad sound. > > I am not an HD Radio fan, but I am excited to find > any receiver that > > will decode and play my AM Stereo. > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Dec 30 17:57:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64739 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 01:52:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 01:52:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.39) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 01:52:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 64073 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2006 01:52:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0xfviJoVM1kDkEzezH9wlBBnXHcB_YcEPFxX3KNh9TUgIgwgPlvhptFVgK3IDQs4JA-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 17:52:03 PST Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 17:52:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <458078.62879.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=EFQ-kuNmbhr5yFIUluqTQ2fbb5L__C3aXdcfakOROST4MOrrIMhj X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Yes MP2, thats what I said. --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > As is XM, I know one of their DJ's and he has > > confirmed this to me. > > XM has their music library stored as 384 kbps MP2 > files. > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Dec 30 17:58:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22083 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 01:56:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 01:56:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.27) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 01:56:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 7540 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2006 01:56:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Tfs3BKgVM1nfJn6agbIOMGvRyD1vPZLMFYUeO_CmsV79EU0aqLMCJvvkHtEDfDzoeY2tF7WRRIZyRChMyBAQoHsUU3DM24T9LIAT139ABXaWnaXYC7t8sg.ap6b0pWSlbvwnMZ3C Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 17:56:00 PST Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 17:56:00 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <817D77AA-52AB-443D-B9F2-1F3BDE61D9F2@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <691166.7302.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=k--4AsCTl43o1HAj2s_CR3fBSed7WxDZ6Zi-uTyUHnuy43UrdN9Z X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke HD does in fact stand for "Hybrid Digital" not "High Definition" as some have been fooled to believe. Go to Ibiquity's site. It does in fact stand for Hybrid Digital because that is what it is. It's hybrid because it works with analog making it a Hybrid or go between. Very basic and easily understandable thing. --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > Actually, HD stands for nothing. > > As far as being sucked in, I have to say, I have > been. I like it. > Will it work in moving environments like a car? Are > interference > problems too much to overcome? I don't know. But for > home use, HD > sounds better than 90 percent of the AM stereo > radios I ever heard, > even on AM. Unlike AM stereo, which did not bring > new people to AM > because so many radios were narrowband stereo, or > were so expensive > most couldn't afford it, HD has a chance. It tunes > easier, and sounds > better. That's from MY ears, not what others have > told me. > > Richard Wagoner > > On Dec 30, 2006, at 2:35 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > > > HD=Hybrid Digital, not High > > Definition as a lot of people think! > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Dec 30 18:08:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 660 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 02:03:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 02:03:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52213.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.136) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 02:03:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 97306 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2006 02:03:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kzwal3MVM1kIs_kCLw4J4T0rJgrhSHSKLbmOqkoNNEt5xpKgv_l_h82t8iJSF7300pttDGUhx_At3ogoKaHS5ktIRpe8z4f3ACVo0Dw6zPzUCGjELdk1x92qx6lv.hMfHRVK4cL3radQzkE- Received: from [12.76.217.239] by web52213.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 18:03:30 PST Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 18:03:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <48089.7306.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <469088.96649.qm@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=MDIbwMnaT6Be9ObtbO6RwIExZv88slXM5nn4dK9m79Y X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > I do agree with a lot of what you said but not all. > I > do think that any way you support HD is taking away > from the analog people. If we don't buy those > radios > and there are is less interest then it would have a > harder time catching on. With all these folks > running > out to buy the Sangean, Accurian, etc it gives the > false statement to the industry by numbers that HD > is > in fact catching on when in fact it isnt so much. It still isn't really. > I > would appreciate it though if no one on here called > me > son as I am 33 and a grown ass man with my own > opinions, just a less bit dusty. :o) I turned the nifty SIXTY in October, so therefore technically you are young enough to be my son. Heh heh! Powell NNNN! From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Dec 30 18:36:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33506 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 02:27:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 02:27:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.158) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 02:27:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 61589 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2006 02:27:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: gvGJGfQVM1nDJKhXDIt8KhWDaXfi4s.M8csAUpKCmRHD5xLMhtcKD8dv64tyEzQBmg-- Received: from [72.240.139.231] by web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 18:27:21 PST Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 18:27:21 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <837476.60983.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: re: File : /Accurian HD 12 30 06.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=0naVHqdRiW83npgYQNGi8GE1PD04aaFMlytJAmSwTlexeTkv-DnPNus X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Wow - great AM stereo separation - now if we can just figure out how to expand the frequency response back up to 10KHz, that would be fantastic! Anybody know how to write the code? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat Dec 30 18:43:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60016 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 02:38:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 02:38:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.23) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 02:38:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2006 02:37:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2006 02:37:01 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 02:37:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <817D77AA-52AB-443D-B9F2-1F3BDE61D9F2@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.153.79.130 From: "Juan" Subject: Re: AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=VGhtb1eyY5t9ns4dhp9aUmSu2yA2hprzFF-UZ63DaXY93NA X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner =20 wrote: > > Actually, HD stands for nothing. It stands for HYBRID DIGITAL, but the initials do ALSO stand for High=20 Definition.....but IBOC is FAR from High Definition, so this could=20 confuse the masses. It won't matter though, the masses will not spend=20 their $$ on IBOC. =20 > As far as being sucked in, I have to say, I have been. I like it.=20=20 > Will it work in moving environments like a car? Are interference=20=20 > problems too much to overcome? I don't know. But for home use, HD=20=20 > sounds better than 90 percent of the AM stereo radios I ever=20 heard,=20=20 > even on AM.=20 What AM Stereo Radios did you listen to ? 90% ? Yikes...In my=20 opinion, it sounds like shit, but then again, I listened only to FM,=20 and this was in LA in the Ibiquity SUV. I have only heard AM IBOC (HD=20 Whatever) via an emailed .wav and I didn't care for it, so I will=20 reserve opinion on AM until I hear it. From what I have read, I am in=20 for a treat ! Yes, I am kidding. >Unlike AM stereo, which did not bring new people to AM=20=20 > because so many radios were narrowband stereo, or were so=20 >expensive=20=20 > most couldn't afford it, HD has a chance. It tunes easier, and=20 >sounds=20=20 > better. That's from MY ears, not what others have told me. HD will never bring people to AM Radio. It aint gonna happen. FM,=20 maybe, but, as they say, the Horse is already out of the Barn. It's=20 all about PROGRAMMING. As a 24 year Radio veteran, I have seen Radio=20 change, quite sadly for the worse. HD Programming can bring=20 alternative Programming to a market, but this is what you can already=20 get via the Internet or in some cases Satellite.=20 Hey, I wish HD the best, and I will do my part by buying an IBOC=20 receiver when they end up on close-out. Shouldn't be long. Juan Ft. Pierce, FL (Land....Free of the hiss, so far) From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat Dec 30 19:22:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45059 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 03:21:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 03:21:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.213) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 03:21:58 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2006 03:21:58 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2006 03:21:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2006 03:21:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 03:21:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <469088.96649.qm@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.153.79.130 From: "Juan" Subject: Re: Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=_nAvcGtHx-xCDJYf2S7viAA0CCk_CVhBFKu6RKY3t1pG_k0 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane > > I > > would appreciate it though if no one on here called > > me > > son as I am 33 and a grown ass man with my own > > opinions, just a less bit dusty. :o) >=20 >=20 >=20 > I turned the nifty SIXTY in October, so therefore > technically you are young enough to be my son.=20 >=20 > Heh heh!=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell=20 >=20 >=20 > NNNN! Powell, I am 42. Does that mean I can call you Pa ? Dang Powell.......I couldn't help it..... Don't send the Wolves after me.... uh oh ! :-0 Juan Ft. Pierce "Keeping out of Powell's way" From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Dec 30 20:02:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2111 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 03:57:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 03:57:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao04.cox.net) (68.230.241.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 03:57:45 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061231035743.QIVC7494.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 22:57:43 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 5Fwx1W0062DrW980000000; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 22:56:57 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <691166.7302.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <691166.7302.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <46EB2067-B0B1-472E-81C7-8D09C41AFDE8@cox.net> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 19:57:42 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=zEcQucDArLGwT4UeS-v-jzNyKTODnyyer2sRvivYipn1IIw_ZgHSFrvRHVrS X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When HD was first announced, Ibiquity was very clear in stating it stands for nothing. On Dec 30, 2006, at 5:56 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > HD does in fact stand for "Hybrid Digital" not "High > Definition" as some have been fooled to believe. Go > to Ibiquity's site. It does in fact stand for Hybrid > Digital because that is what it is. It's hybrid > because it works with analog making it a Hybrid or go > between. Very basic and easily understandable thing. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Dec 30 20:57:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79883 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 04:52:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 04:52:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.39) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 04:52:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 4798 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2006 04:52:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: yg7SijYVM1n2VOuE7SFwvfWIlR3E2Tj46HdqnzlGoUQbgX.pxtXUaRx7Rdaj_CSEtO..aecyLwpcpYhnPLYqfN9lVude52_.UbiQcbqshWOV3l6Ud70oNFUOEAoMb3._Ul92gcxnlCzIr2IcsuX9EIQfP_VuYku_GKAeP1gqaNqG.InigQy3fw-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 20:52:50 PST Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 20:52:50 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <469088.96649.qm@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <435575.3939.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=1jbPj7oFQ6abHwOMocZQD0Zw5O6FiwJXwrc6Ay07YtJth4YLXpQd X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Powell you're a mess! Congrats on turning 60! Thats a milestone man, I wish you 60 more! --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Kevin Bell wrote: > > > I do agree with a lot of what you said but not > all. > > I > > do think that any way you support HD is taking > away > > from the analog people. If we don't buy those > > radios > > and there are is less interest then it would have > a > > harder time catching on. With all these folks > > running > > out to buy the Sangean, Accurian, etc it gives the > > false statement to the industry by numbers that HD > > is > > in fact catching on when in fact it isnt so much. > > > It still isn't really. > > > > I > > would appreciate it though if no one on here > called > > me > > son as I am 33 and a grown ass man with my own > > opinions, just a less bit dusty. :o) > > > > I turned the nifty SIXTY in October, so therefore > technically you are young enough to be my son. > > Heh heh! > > > Powell > > > NNNN! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Dec 30 21:07:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70649 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 05:03:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 05:03:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.33) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 05:03:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 98869 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2006 05:03:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20061231050313.98865.qmail@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: tkBngGcVM1nGgEe1q.DWE5CrRtAiDkU_zWiaih1ibeqc_RvzDn.TFRpLVZZjqR0ZtxbVndI7T.B1QjwvPaxwaWy20tUpSNAUB6a83LQfTbxbL3u2TvNEzOTuPWk_OBD5nuFLW5YQ Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 21:03:13 PST Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 21:03:13 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <46EB2067-B0B1-472E-81C7-8D09C41AFDE8@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=f988HBJ-_9fJ3ieTeTwx0KeNL43iuyP6-XRqQfTKP0avX5ILhWok X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Look up the research and development. It's always referred to as Hybrid Digital because that is what it is. It isn't a true digital only medium. It still works along with analog transmissions therefore it's a hybrid and not a total non-analog system. I think the easiest way to say it is a "go-between". Couple of references for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_Radio http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBiquity http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/digital/index.html You'll see there on the FCC page at the beginning hybrid analog+digital just like I said. Hope this clears up any confusion as to what HD stands for. --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > When HD was first announced, Ibiquity was very clear > in stating it > stands for nothing. > > On Dec 30, 2006, at 5:56 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > > > HD does in fact stand for "Hybrid Digital" not > "High > > Definition" as some have been fooled to believe. > Go > > to Ibiquity's site. It does in fact stand for > Hybrid > > Digital because that is what it is. It's hybrid > > because it works with analog making it a Hybrid or > go > > between. Very basic and easily understandable > thing. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Dec 30 21:12:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83116 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 05:05:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 05:05:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 05:05:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2006 05:05:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2006 05:05:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 05:05:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <467964.55360.qm@web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.101 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=5RqDBi0eSBh6j36k6X2lFXutaIfc7ay9hzMitj2BNbJXuE3fAg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 wrote: > > For the last time i'm not talking about compressors, > those are a different thing in the audio chain. Not > on the board or rack side!! I am talking about bit > rate compression on a computer! >=20 Hi boys!!! Kevin, the over-compressed audio (typical today AM or FM analog=20 multiband audio processors) is so ugly, right? Well, the same thing=20 is when you use a bad bit rate compression on digital audio, you=20 only get and more ugly sound!!! Why? Well, when you use the digital compression you are putting out=20 some bits (and some sounds with them, of course) which the=20 compression system assumes are less important than others. The first=20 time you use it, you get, let's say... an almost unnoticeable=20 effect, but when you compress it again... ufff!!! It's so ugly!!! You can get a lot of examples of it on the typical today=20 youthfulness MP3 "pirate" recordings. I think the only way to avoid it would be TO USE A FULL ANALOG AUDIO=20 CHAIN FROM THE STUDIO CONSOLE TO THE TX EXCITER AND, if you wish,=20 CONVERT TO DIGITAL ONLY ON THE LAST PART OF THE TX EXCITER. The=20 question is: if the IBOC doesn't work so well, WHY TO CONVERT TO=20 DIGITAL? The digital test we done time ago had a very nice audio quality=20 (digital mode) but... a very small coverage area (in comparison with=20 the analog mode). OK, it didn't sound exactly as a CD, ok, but... it=20 was nice to my ears and I think to the 99.99% of the common citizens=20 too. The problem is the system indeed: is not a serious and strong=20 system (you need too much power to get the same you get with an=20 analog system). In other words, you need too much money to get the=20 same you get now with no extra money!!! I have heard the forum MP3 samples from some AM STEREO broadcasting=20 and I think they have a very good stereo separation but, What about=20 the bandwidth? The best example only can reach up to 6 or 7 kHz!!! I=20 have an old Philips analog AM mono home tuner and it has a very,=20 very good and wide bandwidth. I measured it and it can reach up to=20 10 kHz!!! and more, from time to time. Why not an AM Stereo tuner? In the other hand, I have two "super modern" home tuners, with=20 digital frecuency display, a lot of memories, CD player, MP3/USB=20 capable and a lot of Watts of power, BUT... A COMPLETE FAILURE ON AM=20 BAND (the typical mono 4 kHz bandwidth). And I don't know why!!! The=20 same with my new Sony car stereo. If a C-QUAM AM Stereo TX was near of me, Would my tuners open their=20 audio bandwidth? Could it be possible that my tuners are AM Stereo=20 without to be explicitly said in the manual? A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Dec 30 21:43:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20566 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 05:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 05:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao08.cox.net) (68.230.241.31) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 05:39:07 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061231053906.VZRR16632.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 00:39:06 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 5HeL1W00i2DrW980000000; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 00:38:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 21:39:06 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=Yv7ECeFWGenkjnBcetPY3z6Hc1cGzICcUpooGoFfm4-BCFUuarB81DPtOG9n X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I looked all over Ibiquity's site and hdradio.com, and never saw mention of HD standing for anything, let alone "hybrid digital." If it does stand for "hybrid digital," are they going to change it to AD for "all digital" when/if analog gets turned off? Richard Wagoner On Dec 30, 2006, at 6:37 PM, Juan wrote: > It stands for HYBRID DIGITAL, but the initials do ALSO stand for High > Definition.....but IBOC is FAR from High Definition, so this could > confuse the masses. It won't matter though, the masses will not spend > their $$ on IBOC. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Dec 30 21:46:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41266 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 05:44:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 05:44:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao05.cox.net) (68.230.241.34) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 05:44:49 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061231054424.JNMV15640.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 00:44:24 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 5Hje1W00n2DrW980000000; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 00:43:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061231050313.98865.qmail@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <20061231050313.98865.qmail@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 21:44:25 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=upwKRLqplHKnT5BgBLkwOPbcs48kIYTB_MH1fZsbBQAa-wX6LeeMrX2BleCP X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If Wikipedia is your source, you have problems. The FCC site correctly states that it is a hybrid mode. But nowhere does it have the copyrighted HD meaning "Hybrid Digital." It just doesn't stand for it. Or anything. I have been following this and covering it in my radio column for years. Richard Wagoner On Dec 30, 2006, at 9:03 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/digital/index.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Sat Dec 30 23:09:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33548 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 07:06:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 07:06:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.102) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 07:06:08 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n9.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2006 07:03:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2006 07:03:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2006 07:03:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 07:03:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.244.138.249 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=4c_BDhPQMjn7_nQklfVDEFhVqzPUU8Ajk5nm_U8MlAWruN2i18zk X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Richard, You write: >I looked all over Ibiquity's site and hdradio.com, and never saw=20 >mention of HD standing for anything, let alone "hybrid digital."=20 HD does indeed stand for Hybrid Digital: From iBiquity's own press release dated December 19, 2006: "POWER 800 becomes the first Spanish-language station in New England to broadcast in iBiquity's HD (Hybrid Digital) format which offers CD quality sound and vastly reduced interference." http://www.ibiquity.com/press_room/news_releases/2006/397 There were also other previous mentions directly from iBiquity=20 that HD does in fact stand for "Hybrid Digital." I wish to thank Scott Todd, Kevin Bell, and others for=20 mentioning and supporting the Meduci AMX-2000 product. It has=20 been a labor of love to get this invention into the international=20 marketplace. As far as the Accurian (or any tuner) decoding C-QuAM, I say it is about time! After all, how many other AM/FM tuners and=20 receivers introduced in the past 40+ years decode BOTH analog AM stereo and analog FM stereo? Since the Accurian decodes FM analog stereo, it should also decode analog AM stereo (especially if it is a simple matter of including the appropriate DSP code).=20=20 Regarding the air check samples of WNMB, WREF, and other AM stations, I did hear the stereo separation, and decreased audio top end. I also heard some static pops in the sound, so wonder if that is a function of the AM stereo decoding process. Sincerely, Jeff Deck From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Dec 30 23:42:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9015 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 07:41:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 07:41:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao11.cox.net) (68.230.241.28) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 07:41:38 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao11.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061231073903.PWRI25875.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 02:39:03 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 5KeF1W0072DrW980000000; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 02:38:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <322F4572-C434-40C4-9B79-98A06B27AAF1@cox.net> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 23:39:01 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=vWnWLUAgas4QlFQ222M2S7vPFw5Yf1QyuwctHapVNKF5gzqhoCFG8SSqZrTx X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This link, (http://ibiquity.com/i/HD%20Radio%20Style%20Guide%20March% 202005.pdf) of Ibiquity's HD trademark style guide, says nothing about any meaning. I also remember the statements made by Ibiquity when they first announced the trademark. More recently they may WANT it to mean something, but officially and legally it means nothing. Further, it is impossible to trademark a phrase: HD Radio Doesn't Mean High Definition...Or Anything BY GLENN FLEISHMAN I'm not a trademark defender, but let me explain: I see a lot of articles and blogs talk about high-definition (HD) radio. But there's no such thing. HD Radio is a trademark; digital radio, or, to be particular, in-band on-channel (IBOC) broadcasting is what's being used in the U.S. Trademarks can't have any pre-existing meaning in the field in which they are used. This is why Owens Corning's Pink is a trademark. Pink didn't mean anything in the world of insulation, so it has an arbitrary meaning, and thus can be trademarked. Words and phrases in common parlance in an industry can't be hijacked by one company (or that's the intent). HD Radio is a trademark, just like Wi-Fi, which itself doesn't standard for wireless fidelity. Both HD Radio and Wi-Fi are trying to evoke the image of quality without actually having a definition attached. (In fact, a definition would be a wedge to prevent having the trademark approved--if it means something, well, you get the picture.) The next time you read that HD, or high-defintion, Radio is yadda yadda yadda, well, it's not. That's why I try to use HD Radio to talk about iBiquity's technology and digital AM/FM to talk more generally about the field, and even digital radio to encompass satellite and terrestrial broadcasts. Posted by Glenn Fleishman at 5:02 PM | Permalink | Comments (0) (From http://digital-am-fm.com/) On Dec 30, 2006, at 11:03 PM, jeffdeck2001 wrote: > http://www.ibiquity.com/press_room/news_releases/2006/397 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Sun Dec 31 03:28:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88352 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 11:16:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 11:16:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.113) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 11:16:04 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2006 11:16:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2006 11:16:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2006 11:16:03 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 11:16:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.52.190 From: "Nicholas" Subject: Re: AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=LpT9_18kAlO1J_XmIzMilzsqS7VJTMnXIXvX_XrUsyiasAOcSw X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jeffdeck2001" wrote: > > Regarding the air check samples of WNMB, WREF, and other AM > stations, I did hear the stereo separation, and decreased audio > top end. I also heard some static pops in the sound, so wonder > if that is a function of the AM stereo decoding process. > it is not a function of the AM stereo decoding process on the Accurian must be interference. On CKMX 1060 I do not hear any pops in the sound when it is being recieved in stereo. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Dec 31 07:50:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98336 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 15:46:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 15:46:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 15:46:02 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.109.195.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.109.195] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H12sn-0000By-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:45:57 -0500 Message-ID: <014001c72cf2$c1a1e970$c36d5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:45:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=8iihmFL224Yo08WxE_gzF_KuQcFK6oyfnHzKgV8YQMrnAH4-vn6vD1uNL9F9tw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powel wrote: >I turned the nifty SIXTY in October, so therefore technically you are young >enough to be my son. Happy birthday Pappy Powel! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Dec 31 09:30:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2155 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 17:24:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 17:24:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.37) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 17:24:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 22752 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2006 17:24:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lTepksYVM1nh6MQrW2NSV5GvILvqcEjFRj1iq.PZN1t_radnIu7IfSHVlZ6Komx7pEu2P9ers66LS0vzuX2EY8vv60pmisaGhNIAIkPF1nKLLTZkvpPs7tknAkvbdipYw6f.1.Tk Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:24:34 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:24:34 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <995791.22387.qm@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=qHZ_UOIhRAlhMnpxcLxJKn2WgyTNKzpXubt4PaIQC8aR-oG6zb-c X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke It would do you some good to research. Look up the word hybrid in the dictionary and see what it means as well. Then look at the FCC site and those sites I provided you. It's all there. --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > I looked all over Ibiquity's site and hdradio.com, > and never saw > mention of HD standing for anything, let alone > "hybrid digital." If > it does stand for "hybrid digital," are they going > to change it to AD > for "all digital" when/if analog gets turned off? > > Richard Wagoner > > On Dec 30, 2006, at 6:37 PM, Juan wrote: > > > It stands for HYBRID DIGITAL, but the initials do > ALSO stand for High > > Definition.....but IBOC is FAR from High > Definition, so this could > > confuse the masses. It won't matter though, the > masses will not spend > > their $$ on IBOC. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Dec 31 09:30:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87179 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 17:23:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 17:23:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 17:23:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 34469 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2006 17:23:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20061231172304.34467.qmail@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Xw8vu8sVM1nTHIvrKl6wZ6ZrNCgrygi6bi5BKRqWEgSm4O1gHbZjxy9JCapG9Hwojg7KGToX402uzuyl2AGmbCxvBj39qb7IQKzvAt2lAbIBarY9VMiPuX7nKvzeGGXNmhMZCP91PFbQL8332dTD4ciB.djL9s3hbumBXxtMEVBIjnbaGP24Vw-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:23:04 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:23:04 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=BUTbeFvt7vIVa6IWwQXe1STyru153vmk78eAqvd2D2A8Cwjv5880 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I already know this though and have been saying it. --- jotape1960 wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell > > wrote: > > > > For the last time i'm not talking about > compressors, > > those are a different thing in the audio chain. > Not > > on the board or rack side!! I am talking about > bit > > rate compression on a computer! > > > > Hi boys!!! > > Kevin, the over-compressed audio (typical today AM > or FM analog > multiband audio processors) is so ugly, right? Well, > the same thing > is when you use a bad bit rate compression on > digital audio, you > only get and more ugly sound!!! > > Why? Well, when you use the digital compression you > are putting out > some bits (and some sounds with them, of course) > which the > compression system assumes are less important than > others. The first > time you use it, you get, let's say... an almost > unnoticeable > effect, but when you compress it again... ufff!!! > It's so ugly!!! > > You can get a lot of examples of it on the typical > today > youthfulness MP3 "pirate" recordings. > > I think the only way to avoid it would be TO USE A > FULL ANALOG AUDIO > CHAIN FROM THE STUDIO CONSOLE TO THE TX EXCITER AND, > if you wish, > CONVERT TO DIGITAL ONLY ON THE LAST PART OF THE TX > EXCITER. The > question is: if the IBOC doesn't work so well, WHY > TO CONVERT TO > DIGITAL? > > The digital test we done time ago had a very nice > audio quality > (digital mode) but... a very small coverage area (in > comparison with > the analog mode). OK, it didn't sound exactly as a > CD, ok, but... it > was nice to my ears and I think to the 99.99% of the > common citizens > too. The problem is the system indeed: is not a > serious and strong > system (you need too much power to get the same you > get with an > analog system). In other words, you need too much > money to get the > same you get now with no extra money!!! > > I have heard the forum MP3 samples from some AM > STEREO broadcasting > and I think they have a very good stereo separation > but, What about > the bandwidth? The best example only can reach up to > 6 or 7 kHz!!! I > have an old Philips analog AM mono home tuner and it > has a very, > very good and wide bandwidth. I measured it and it > can reach up to > 10 kHz!!! and more, from time to time. Why not an AM > Stereo tuner? > > In the other hand, I have two "super modern" home > tuners, with > digital frecuency display, a lot of memories, CD > player, MP3/USB > capable and a lot of Watts of power, BUT... A > COMPLETE FAILURE ON AM > BAND (the typical mono 4 kHz bandwidth). And I don't > know why!!! The > same with my new Sony car stereo. > > If a C-QUAM AM Stereo TX was near of me, Would my > tuners open their > audio bandwidth? Could it be possible that my tuners > are AM Stereo > without to be explicitly said in the manual? > > A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!!!!!!! > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Dec 31 09:59:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77312 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 17:41:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 17:41:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.39) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 17:41:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 87007 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2006 17:29:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: PPiNhnAVM1lcse2R1HKvEbi.5V83tbR1Hgf7yvk1fFgVMyzuuGJSWIHvuw98l8bUPciCi0RQszI2aHaI.d95qGOZ6kslkpRLJWkglpGvJCRCDk6Z5f8c_N5hdAZwpq3o__0zTuTBfWv7iVlRUKZRH4R3YViITuVPyLXDJO7kx8pLVIYJ4FCj2Q-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:29:11 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:29:11 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <322F4572-C434-40C4-9B79-98A06B27AAF1@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <380982.86784.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=LtdVL9CoaVeYwg2ICRJeGgnpADidxZckVGLeDlnvqPieGeSaM1EY X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Why sure it is, HD is Ibiquities brand but HD also is the technology employed with stands for Hybrid Digital. You are losing this battle. It's fact. It's a tautology. Tautology is means that something is true by definition. HD=Analog+Digital thus a hybrid technology. I'm sorry to say it but you are just flat out wrong here. --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > This link, > (http://ibiquity.com/i/HD%20Radio%20Style%20Guide%20March% > > 202005.pdf) of Ibiquity's HD trademark style guide, > says nothing > about any meaning. I also remember the statements > made by Ibiquity > when they first announced the trademark. More > recently they may WANT > it to mean something, but officially and legally it > means nothing. > > Further, it is impossible to trademark a phrase: > > HD Radio Doesn't Mean High Definition...Or Anything > > BY GLENN FLEISHMAN > > I'm not a trademark defender, but let me explain: I > see a lot of > articles and blogs talk about high-definition (HD) > radio. But there's > no such thing. HD Radio is a trademark; digital > radio, or, to be > particular, in-band on-channel (IBOC) broadcasting > is what's being > used in the U.S. Trademarks can't have any > pre-existing meaning in > the field in which they are used. This is why Owens > Corning's Pink is > a trademark. Pink didn't mean anything in the world > of insulation, so > it has an arbitrary meaning, and thus can be > trademarked. Words and > phrases in common parlance in an industry can't be > hijacked by one > company (or that's the intent). > > HD Radio is a trademark, just like Wi-Fi, which > itself doesn't > standard for wireless fidelity. Both HD Radio and > Wi-Fi are trying to > evoke the image of quality without actually having a > definition > attached. (In fact, a definition would be a wedge to > prevent having > the trademark approved--if it means something, well, > you get the > picture.) > > The next time you read that HD, or high-defintion, > Radio is yadda > yadda yadda, well, it's not. That's why I try to use > HD Radio to talk > about iBiquity's technology and digital AM/FM to > talk more generally > about the field, and even digital radio to encompass > satellite and > terrestrial broadcasts. > > Posted by Glenn Fleishman at 5:02 PM | Permalink | > Comments (0) > > (From http://digital-am-fm.com/) > > On Dec 30, 2006, at 11:03 PM, jeffdeck2001 wrote: > > > > http://www.ibiquity.com/press_room/news_releases/2006/397 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Dec 31 10:08:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80763 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 18:05:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 18:05:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.26) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 18:05:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 20541 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2006 17:27:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: SdStkuoVM1kkiLyOyyodvcsbjtDagqhdi3GKAm5XFDXK68AvESyHriOZGWZZ.uKmSJkJ.nJIcFMwYwKlpxua4z77GqFPlay3H9zskQBIQmhyjH5Dhbaw0PseqkNkL7t_khWivgXn Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:27:00 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:27:00 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <240871.19873.qm@web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=HpiRUlNODjOK8pivttHoBZFuAI1rsQbYlxc17AuwA4Xj2N9_AeJT X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Jeff, I've been saying this all along to the guy, he doesn't seem to understand what HD is. He like so many others may have been fooled to think it means high definition which it doesnt! You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. --- jeffdeck2001 wrote: > Richard, > > You write: > >I looked all over Ibiquity's site and hdradio.com, > and never saw > >mention of HD standing for anything, let alone > "hybrid digital." > > HD does indeed stand for Hybrid Digital: From > iBiquity's own > press release dated December 19, 2006: > > "POWER 800 becomes the first Spanish-language > station in New England > to broadcast in iBiquity's HD (Hybrid Digital) > format which offers > CD quality sound and vastly reduced interference." > > http://www.ibiquity.com/press_room/news_releases/2006/397 > > There were also other previous mentions directly > from iBiquity > that HD does in fact stand for "Hybrid Digital." > > I wish to thank Scott Todd, Kevin Bell, and > others for > mentioning and supporting the Meduci AMX-2000 > product. It has > been a labor of love to get this invention into the > international > marketplace. > > As far as the Accurian (or any tuner) decoding > C-QuAM, I say it > is about time! After all, how many other AM/FM > tuners and > receivers introduced in the past 40+ years decode > BOTH analog AM > stereo and analog FM stereo? Since the Accurian > decodes FM analog > stereo, it should also decode analog AM stereo > (especially if it > is a simple matter of including the appropriate DSP > code). > > Regarding the air check samples of WNMB, WREF, > and other AM > stations, I did hear the stereo separation, and > decreased audio > top end. I also heard some static pops in the > sound, so wonder > if that is a function of the AM stereo decoding > process. > > Sincerely, > > Jeff Deck > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Dec 31 10:11:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98311 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 18:08:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 18:08:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao08.cox.net) (68.230.241.31) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 18:08:53 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061231180617.CIGD16632.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:06:17 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 5W6U1W00l2DrW980000000; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:06:29 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <380982.86784.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <380982.86784.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <1C8D48FD-3824-49F1-AF14-3389DC91566F@cox.net> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:06:12 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=cYNRpV4WzwLQunX8TSbSLWgHJj6un0LPTmurWc6erawpYjOXvGwjPzT6XUw3 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Then the people from Ibiquity that I interviewed in 2002 when they announced the TRADEMARK were lying, and HD Radio is NOT a trademark. HD alone can mean anything you want it to mean. the HD in HD Radio means nothing. I have followed this much longer than you have. I know what I am talking about. Richard Wagoner On Dec 31, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Kevin Bell wrote: > Why sure it is, HD is Ibiquities brand but HD also is > the technology employed with stands for Hybrid > Digital. You are losing this battle. It's fact. > It's a tautology. Tautology is means that something > is true by definition. HD=Analog+Digital thus a > hybrid technology. I'm sorry to say it but you are > just flat out wrong here. > > --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > > > This link, > > > (http://ibiquity.com/i/HD%20Radio%20Style%20Guide%20March% > > > > 202005.pdf) of Ibiquity's HD trademark style guide, > > says nothing > > about any meaning. I also remember the statements > > made by Ibiquity > > when they first announced the trademark. More > > recently they may WANT > > it to mean something, but officially and legally it > > means nothing. > > > > Further, it is impossible to trademark a phrase: > > > > HD Radio Doesn't Mean High Definition...Or Anything > > > > BY GLENN FLEISHMAN > > > > I'm not a trademark defender, but let me explain: I > > see a lot of > > articles and blogs talk about high-definition (HD) > > radio. But there's > > no such thing. HD Radio is a trademark; digital > > radio, or, to be > > particular, in-band on-channel (IBOC) broadcasting > > is what's being > > used in the U.S. Trademarks can't have any > > pre-existing meaning in > > the field in which they are used. This is why Owens > > Corning's Pink is > > a trademark. Pink didn't mean anything in the world > > of insulation, so > > it has an arbitrary meaning, and thus can be > > trademarked. Words and > > phrases in common parlance in an industry can't be > > hijacked by one > > company (or that's the intent). > > > > HD Radio is a trademark, just like Wi-Fi, which > > itself doesn't > > standard for wireless fidelity. Both HD Radio and > > Wi-Fi are trying to > > evoke the image of quality without actually having a > > definition > > attached. (In fact, a definition would be a wedge to > > prevent having > > the trademark approved--if it means something, well, > > you get the > > picture.) > > > > The next time you read that HD, or high-defintion, > > Radio is yadda > > yadda yadda, well, it's not. That's why I try to use > > HD Radio to talk > > about iBiquity's technology and digital AM/FM to > > talk more generally > > about the field, and even digital radio to encompass > > satellite and > > terrestrial broadcasts. > > > > Posted by Glenn Fleishman at 5:02 PM | Permalink | > > Comments (0) > > > > (From http://digital-am-fm.com/) > > > > On Dec 30, 2006, at 11:03 PM, jeffdeck2001 wrote: > > > > > > > > http://www.ibiquity.com/press_room/news_releases/2006/397 > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 31 10:14:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19319 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 18:12:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 18:12:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52202.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.125) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 18:12:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 31098 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2006 18:11:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: CyJHwQoVM1ky3RR_0Z_2C7JjfvqerwqqS8zR0lJQp.wu0S3JFc6iwvJ8LHBAstMm9vUwSpI3en.r1.7wlV5eEzT6l2khzk4_AZIFhWk72AArKUONzRTW3ZJlAmEURBIST84nqk7Qg1HeE1QuwM5kO9vpFxuEyXDYXo09vGZbe_RmjZh9hlHxbeUHaXZg Received: from [12.76.217.93] by web52202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:11:31 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:11:31 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <380982.86784.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <706613.22585.qm@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.125 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=LKJ479ojGs8D_h2UGUW-S7sYhPEzsG8EbqWwXoC3344 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > Why sure it is, HD is Ibiquities brand but HD also > is > the technology employed with stands for Hybrid > Digital. You are WRONG. I can, on a station running HD turn the analog off and go totally digital on the main channel. Nothing in the digital has changed except that it's on the main channel and there is no analog. The digital coding hasn't changed a twit. I didn't have a HD radio at the time ( almost no one did) but one night WCOS on 1400 got put into all digital mode. I would have loved to test that out. You are losing this battle. It's fact. > It's a tautology. Tautology is means that something > is true by definition. HD=Analog+Digital thus a > hybrid technology. I'm sorry to say it but you are > just flat out wrong here. None of the main pages on the Ibiquity site say this. I will have to say flat out that you are acting like a total idiot here. GEEZER Powell here... Powell NNNN! From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Dec 31 10:20:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56713 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 18:20:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 18:20:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 18:19:51 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.106.103.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.106.103] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H15Hh-000386-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:19:49 -0500 Message-ID: <025b01c72d08$4043c540$c36d5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <706613.22585.qm@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:19:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=2ZCFdpZvnOs4C68hYKhHiGBhDVmd7UCdyK3UuT4yozCTgmEidJ2-iKrSsUjn0A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > I will have to say flat out that you are acting like a total idiot here. I don't think he is ACTING! LOL Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Dec 31 10:22:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57788 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 18:16:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 18:16:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao12.cox.net) (68.230.241.27) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 18:16:38 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao12.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061231181413.OKMI19398.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:14:13 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 5WES1W00i2DrW980000000; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:14:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <240871.19873.qm@web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <240871.19873.qm@web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <80A3418F-8CA0-4DD2-8FE8-73BA8C80D2D5@cox.net> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:14:10 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=ay4IkUGZg-ofCJaPzhF2j3lNYrcasvnlvjwLicyJVr2BWImtqRsdv9R9Suil X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My god, do you read ANYTHING? This is so annoying. I NEVER said it means High Definition. It means NOTHING when it is tied to the TRADEMARK (please look that up; you apparently don't read what I sent you) HD RADIO. HD alone can mean anything. The HD in HD Radio means NOTHING. Richard Wagoner On Dec 31, 2006, at 9:27 AM, Kevin Bell wrote: > Jeff, > > I've been saying this all along to the guy, he doesn't > seem to understand what HD is. He like so many others > may have been fooled to think it means high definition > which it doesnt! You can lead a horse to water but > you can't make it drink. > > --- jeffdeck2001 wrote: > > > Richard, > > > > You write: > > >I looked all over Ibiquity's site and hdradio.com, > > and never saw > > >mention of HD standing for anything, let alone > > "hybrid digital." > > > > HD does indeed stand for Hybrid Digital: From > > iBiquity's own > > press release dated December 19, 2006: > > > > "POWER 800 becomes the first Spanish-language > > station in New England > > to broadcast in iBiquity's HD (Hybrid Digital) > > format which offers > > CD quality sound and vastly reduced interference." > > > > > http://www.ibiquity.com/press_room/news_releases/2006/397 > > > > There were also other previous mentions directly > > from iBiquity > > that HD does in fact stand for "Hybrid Digital." > > > > I wish to thank Scott Todd, Kevin Bell, and > > others for > > mentioning and supporting the Meduci AMX-2000 > > product. It has > > been a labor of love to get this invention into the > > international > > marketplace. > > > > As far as the Accurian (or any tuner) decoding > > C-QuAM, I say it > > is about time! After all, how many other AM/FM > > tuners and > > receivers introduced in the past 40+ years decode > > BOTH analog AM > > stereo and analog FM stereo? Since the Accurian > > decodes FM analog > > stereo, it should also decode analog AM stereo > > (especially if it > > is a simple matter of including the appropriate DSP > > code). > > > > Regarding the air check samples of WNMB, WREF, > > and other AM > > stations, I did hear the stereo separation, and > > decreased audio > > top end. I also heard some static pops in the > > sound, so wonder > > if that is a function of the AM stereo decoding > > process. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Jeff Deck > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 31 10:25:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80882 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 18:14:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 18:14:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52202.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.125) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 18:14:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 31595 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2006 18:13:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zUyDyF0VM1nqXpoFJpPjRhYpzlcjcYUcJlvfnWH6v7mhs.7Ldo7WBWt48LzhTJCNcCmFCxKh98fMdVl53M85N_s8M04cJ.rH1DVgNZdrohgeetuETxM6GagWI5Ty.zWMkwe2pQB3CLj1I7U- Received: from [12.76.217.93] by web52202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:13:32 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:13:32 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <240871.19873.qm@web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <384139.30828.qm@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.125 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=txjEDn93FAnmCCmoiE4QhRV8RZh2OKFV4FqIY8zLyOg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > Jeff, > > I've been saying this all along to the guy, he > doesn't > seem to understand what HD is. He like so many > others > may have been fooled to think it means high > definition > which it doesnt! You can lead a horse to water but > you can't make it drink. A lot of press releases are saying High Definition. If the HDTV folks have that part copywrighted, they need to be sued. GRRRR! HD stands for Hiccuply Digital......... ]:) Powell NNNN! From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Dec 31 10:27:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2128 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 18:10:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 18:10:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao02.cox.net) (68.230.241.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 18:10:28 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061231181001.FSOH97.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:10:01 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 5WAF1W00L2DrW980000000; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:10:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <995791.22387.qm@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <995791.22387.qm@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <03E5848F-7E21-4209-9CB0-66C62BA975ED@cox.net> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:09:58 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=QLVCVKbDh0zJVpKk9LWBMoflbN7h-ggVUxOYl8CQSB3SZ9xdKeyBj_ZLZVN- X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I already showed you that the sites you gave are meaningless. The FCC site never mentioned HD Radio as meaning anything, and Wikipedia is NOT a reliable source. If you count Wikipedia as "research," then you need to look up the word "research." As I said in a previous email, I WAS THERE when they announced it. I have covered HD Radio since the idea began floating around, LONG before it was reported by anything outside of the radio trades. RIchard Wagoner On Dec 31, 2006, at 9:24 AM, Kevin Bell wrote: > It would do you some good to research. Look up the > word hybrid in the dictionary and see what it means as > well. Then look at the FCC site and those sites I > provided you. It's all there. > > --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > > > I looked all over Ibiquity's site and hdradio.com, > > and never saw > > mention of HD standing for anything, let alone > > "hybrid digital." If > > it does stand for "hybrid digital," are they going > > to change it to AD > > for "all digital" when/if analog gets turned off? > > > > Richard Wagoner > > > > On Dec 30, 2006, at 6:37 PM, Juan wrote: > > > > > It stands for HYBRID DIGITAL, but the initials do > > ALSO stand for High > > > Definition.....but IBOC is FAR from High > > Definition, so this could > > > confuse the masses. It won't matter though, the > > masses will not spend > > > their $$ on IBOC. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Dec 31 10:30:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35237 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 18:26:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 18:26:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao08.cox.net) (68.230.241.31) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 18:26:31 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061231182630.CSFS16632.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:26:30 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 5WSk1W00M2DrW980000000; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:26:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <380982.86784.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <380982.86784.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <3351E84B-237D-469A-8DF7-0AD927E624A1@cox.net> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:26:27 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=gjnzAuZzJWkZiUfBqYaE-FiaQYH056HwLYebciXqG_KC4kQ-_xYe5hfjHQBM X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 31, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Kevin Bell wrote: > Why sure it is, HD is Ibiquities brand but HD also is > the technology employed with stands for Hybrid > Digital. Read carefully, this is what I have been saying. HD Radio is a brand in which the HD means nothing. HD alone can mean whatever you want it to. If YOU want it to mean hybrid digital, go ahead and make it mean that. I wrote on this back in 2002 in my radio column. Digital Update Ibiquity hopes to jump start consumer interest for in-band-on-channel (IBOC) digital radio with a new name and a new slogan: "HD Radio." "Pure Digital. Clear Radio." Hmm. HD. Would that be "Heavy Duty?" Nah. "Honest and Decent?" Probably not. "Human Dog?" Ibiquity hired a marketing firm to come up with the new name ("Horse Dung?") in order to help differentiate regular analog receivers from the HD ("Hors Derivers?") type, and figured that the HD Radio name would remind people of HDTV and its associated improvement. At far lower cost, I might add. Quick: What does HDTV stand for? High Definition Television. What does HD Radio stand for? High Definition Radio? One might think. Interestingly, as of now, it stands for nothing but a marketing plan. So I suppose my ideas are just as good as any ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Dec 31 11:04:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31547 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 18:47:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 18:47:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 18:47:20 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2006 18:47:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2006 18:47:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2006 18:47:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:47:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <03E5848F-7E21-4209-9CB0-66C62BA975ED@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.153.79.130 From: "Juan" Subject: Re: AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=mLu79Q7s5C1A1r5hOP-wEt9mxPDjiMi5WITUzvSfLxK9u60 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane If you are AGAIN responding to my earlier post. I read it the first=20 time. Thank you for repeating it, but I got the picture. I am glad you were there. Good for you..... I will stand by my earler remarks that HD, from what I WAS TOLD at=20 the R&R Convention was being refered to as "HYBRID DIGITAL", as IBOC=20 was not being used to market it. And yes, HD in the case of IBOC doesn't stand for High Definition, as=20 I was told by an Ibiquity employee. This is what the marketing came=20 up with. It was at that time that the HD was being rolled out. Does it stand for nothing ? Maybe, but at the time I discussed this=20 with an engineer, he called it Hybrid Digital, IBOC and HD. I being in the Broadcast Industry have been following so=20 called "Digital Radio" since the beginning, because this affects my=20 career. By the way, I have no idea what Wikipedia says, but if it's wrong FIX=20 IT. I never said I got my info from it. Please don't assume I got my=20 info there. You might want to READ the emails before responding. Just=20 my two cents. Juan Ft. Pierce --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner =20 wrote: > > I already showed you that the sites you gave are meaningless. The=20 FCC=20=20 > site never mentioned HD Radio as meaning anything, and Wikipedia=20 is=20=20 > NOT a reliable source. If you count Wikipedia as "research," then=20 you=20=20 > need to look up the word "research." >=20 > As I said in a previous email, I WAS THERE when they announced it.=20 I=20=20 > have covered HD Radio since the idea began floating around, LONG=20=20 > before it was reported by anything outside of the radio trades. >=20 > RIchard Wagoner >=20 > On Dec 31, 2006, at 9:24 AM, Kevin Bell wrote: >=20 > > It would do you some good to research. Look up the > > word hybrid in the dictionary and see what it means as > > well. Then look at the FCC site and those sites I > > provided you. It's all there. > > > > --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > > > > > I looked all over Ibiquity's site and hdradio.com, > > > and never saw > > > mention of HD standing for anything, let alone > > > "hybrid digital." If > > > it does stand for "hybrid digital," are they going > > > to change it to AD > > > for "all digital" when/if analog gets turned off? > > > > > > Richard Wagoner > > > > > > On Dec 30, 2006, at 6:37 PM, Juan wrote: > > > > > > > It stands for HYBRID DIGITAL, but the initials do > > > ALSO stand for High > > > > Definition.....but IBOC is FAR from High > > > Definition, so this could > > > > confuse the masses. It won't matter though, the > > > masses will not spend > > > > their $$ on IBOC. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Dec 31 11:42:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95915 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 19:29:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 19:29:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.31) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 19:29:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 13718 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2006 17:25:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LymCCCUVM1nFUy9SwmUSN8p0098dc1BkFrhcGKVh4v5Vas8hSxS8KQLcXOZHG_CSyZbDCScfNY7Keo.4KfJSSrHrFf9YRQnJYHl8ij6V96JaQ9hB0s_zS.58Iq0XRUoWJzUjn2fd Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:25:40 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:25:40 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <258579.13046.qm@web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=ztyMQmssAwhrnbu0yDCcs9Be8Z6R807MzBcL-o_xy0MOD8jOMzV4 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Again you are just stupid if you can't understand this here. HD by ibiquity is a brand name but HD as far as the technology is a format. HD=Analog+Digital Thus Hybrid. --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > If Wikipedia is your source, you have problems. > > The FCC site correctly states that it is a hybrid > mode. But nowhere > does it have the copyrighted HD meaning "Hybrid > Digital." It just > doesn't stand for it. Or anything. I have been > following this and > covering it in my radio column for years. > > > Richard Wagoner > > On Dec 30, 2006, at 9:03 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > > > http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/digital/index.html > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Dec 31 11:52:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46446 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 19:48:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 19:48:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 19:48:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2006 19:47:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2006 19:47:39 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:47:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <258579.13046.qm@web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.153.79.130 From: "Juan" Subject: Re: AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=4mvnrcwNw8d4L3iaLUSDw5MoUiR4SglxSQgtvm7M3-pt1Fg X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Kevin, I know you are making a point, but it isn't nice to call people=20 stupid.=20 Just my two cents. Juan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 wrote: > > Again you are just stupid if you can't understand this > here. HD by ibiquity is a brand name but HD as far as > the technology is a format. HD=3DAnalog+Digital Thus > Hybrid. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Richard Wagoner wrote: >=20 > > If Wikipedia is your source, you have problems. > >=20 > > The FCC site correctly states that it is a hybrid > > mode. But nowhere=20=20 > > does it have the copyrighted HD meaning "Hybrid > > Digital." It just=20=20 > > doesn't stand for it. Or anything. I have been > > following this and=20=20 > > covering it in my radio column for years. > >=20 > >=20 > > Richard Wagoner > >=20 > > On Dec 30, 2006, at 9:03 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > >=20 > > > http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/digital/index.html > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com > From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Dec 31 12:19:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86300 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 20:18:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 20:18:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.32) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 20:18:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 3967 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2006 20:17:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VEmjA_AVM1lHr6Me8KP5S1sk4q_lz_LD5mDYaU_G_QNV96jcaEkmMGB4K2TxRBz8gXuqUXEpunPhZukuceEJMGMRlWltrXVCC8WU4CXRiiirdMZtsVqwTdf93J57hkon2ULuedlCoeCwIBAPfXiQL1BoLoTcf9jdb9HNGhz_HJmiBVc8rQmYKA-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:17:41 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:17:41 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3351E84B-237D-469A-8DF7-0AD927E624A1@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <163722.628.qm@web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=zxaukGc-_rNT0fUaaNEHvWGmLLcBR3AQLxRoI0m3PvjgnZsjFXTT X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Again, you make absolutely no sense. You aren ignoring the facts. Ask anyone on this list what HD is, they'll tell you the same thing I did, that it is a hybrid digital format. Why can't you understand or get that? Powell help me here! Ha! Hybrid=Analog+Digital so its a hyrbrid system! --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > On Dec 31, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Kevin Bell wrote: > > > Why sure it is, HD is Ibiquities brand but HD also > is > > the technology employed with stands for Hybrid > > Digital. > > Read carefully, this is what I have been saying. HD > Radio is a brand > in which the HD means nothing. HD alone can mean > whatever you want it > to. If YOU want it to mean hybrid digital, go ahead > and make it mean > that. I wrote on this back in 2002 in my radio > column. > > Digital Update > > Ibiquity hopes to jump start consumer interest for > in-band-on-channel > (IBOC) digital radio with a new name and a new > slogan: "HD Radio." > "Pure Digital. Clear Radio." > > Hmm. HD. Would that be "Heavy Duty?" Nah. "Honest > and Decent?" > Probably not. "Human Dog?" > > Ibiquity hired a marketing firm to come up with the > new name ("Horse > Dung?") in order to help differentiate regular > analog receivers from > the HD ("Hors Derivers?") type, and figured that the > HD Radio name > would remind people of HDTV and its associated > improvement. At far > lower cost, I might add. > > Quick: What does HDTV stand for? High Definition > Television. What > does HD Radio stand for? High Definition Radio? One > might think. > Interestingly, as of now, it stands for nothing but > a marketing plan. > So I suppose my ideas are just as good as any ... > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Dec 31 12:20:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47464 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 20:16:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 20:16:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.30) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 20:16:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 86299 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2006 20:15:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ro3O1d8VM1nRpzKjikOTNKO6JL3.AZzQCXu0Sn9NoIg69VMFUu2CZ5eG3HiGpFYF8G3x1cSDjU7sZ0VmwL.bacw7JPQpp9432nZiifNKuIJGpk0fI2H2Oy.vhBw6QbfWCAaXmMgu Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:15:09 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:15:09 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <03E5848F-7E21-4209-9CB0-66C62BA975ED@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <309606.78651.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=dJfQVdq_nGRTdeQTAcxkhlzybXhDdra4W1HaPgebbu_ZLVuL81Y_ X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Ok my smarty pants let me present this to you then. If HD means nothing, as you said, then WHY use the letters HD or create something called HD? Why would ibiquity use the letters "HD" if they didn't mean anything? It stands for Hybrid Digital and I don't know why any other people have put you in your place already. Where did you go to school? You obviously didn't learn anything. --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > I already showed you that the sites you gave are > meaningless. The FCC > site never mentioned HD Radio as meaning anything, > and Wikipedia is > NOT a reliable source. If you count Wikipedia as > "research," then you > need to look up the word "research." > > As I said in a previous email, I WAS THERE when they > announced it. I > have covered HD Radio since the idea began floating > around, LONG > before it was reported by anything outside of the > radio trades. > > RIchard Wagoner > > On Dec 31, 2006, at 9:24 AM, Kevin Bell wrote: > > > It would do you some good to research. Look up the > > word hybrid in the dictionary and see what it > means as > > well. Then look at the FCC site and those sites I > > provided you. It's all there. > > > > --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > > > > > I looked all over Ibiquity's site and > hdradio.com, > > > and never saw > > > mention of HD standing for anything, let alone > > > "hybrid digital." If > > > it does stand for "hybrid digital," are they > going > > > to change it to AD > > > for "all digital" when/if analog gets turned > off? > > > > > > Richard Wagoner > > > > > > On Dec 30, 2006, at 6:37 PM, Juan wrote: > > > > > > > It stands for HYBRID DIGITAL, but the initials > do > > > ALSO stand for High > > > > Definition.....but IBOC is FAR from High > > > Definition, so this could > > > > confuse the masses. It won't matter though, > the > > > masses will not spend > > > > their $$ on IBOC. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Dec 31 12:31:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76617 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 20:20:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 20:20:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.28) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 20:20:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 42149 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2006 20:20:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20061231202043.42147.qmail@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: jkLdVgMVM1kxrIE6mD0S5m_pOvwaIhuJDtXTJbOmby_mBC..JapuoONLtQyQ76dHDuxJq3HQD5jAz6mjpFQmOs88ac52y6eZFWQgX4FonEGwXTzZ4ruH.9PRUQ_2sbhVQgLY9ff_WiLtttP2sXpOtFON.UqjzQtgkdP5.v2fud8V0s7.5hTLAg-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:20:43 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:20:43 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=HSm11W_qWSpt3sKmdB3kFdsmiD9yMJhVjN-EPIszMWP-cLSf1mKS X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Juan, Again he gets doesn't even make sense because if it meant nothing then why would they even use it? Why not just use the Ibiquity symbol instead? It does mean something whether he is man enough to admit it or not. It means Hybrid Digital just as you and all ther others on this form have said over time. IBOC is a Hybrid Digital format using both analog and digital techniques in the transmission of the signal. IBOC=In Band On Channel. Of course you know this but I cannot fathom why this guy want accept facts as facts about this item of business. --- Juan wrote: > If you are AGAIN responding to my earlier post. I > read it the first > time. Thank you for repeating it, but I got the > picture. > > I am glad you were there. Good for you..... > > I will stand by my earler remarks that HD, from what > I WAS TOLD at > the R&R Convention was being refered to as "HYBRID > DIGITAL", as IBOC > was not being used to market it. > > And yes, HD in the case of IBOC doesn't stand for > High Definition, as > I was told by an Ibiquity employee. This is what the > marketing came > up with. It was at that time that the HD was being > rolled out. > > Does it stand for nothing ? Maybe, but at the time I > discussed this > with an engineer, he called it Hybrid Digital, IBOC > and HD. > > I being in the Broadcast Industry have been > following so > called "Digital Radio" since the beginning, because > this affects my > career. > > By the way, I have no idea what Wikipedia says, but > if it's wrong FIX > IT. I never said I got my info from it. Please don't > assume I got my > info there. You might want to READ the emails before > responding. Just > my two cents. > > Juan > Ft. Pierce > > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard > Wagoner > wrote: > > > > I already showed you that the sites you gave are > meaningless. The > FCC > > site never mentioned HD Radio as meaning anything, > and Wikipedia > is > > NOT a reliable source. If you count Wikipedia as > "research," then > you > > need to look up the word "research." > > > > As I said in a previous email, I WAS THERE when > they announced it. > I > > have covered HD Radio since the idea began > floating around, LONG > > before it was reported by anything outside of the > radio trades. > > > > RIchard Wagoner > > > > On Dec 31, 2006, at 9:24 AM, Kevin Bell wrote: > > > > > It would do you some good to research. Look up > the > > > word hybrid in the dictionary and see what it > means as > > > well. Then look at the FCC site and those sites > I > > > provided you. It's all there. > > > > > > --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > > > > > > > I looked all over Ibiquity's site and > hdradio.com, > > > > and never saw > > > > mention of HD standing for anything, let alone > > > > "hybrid digital." If > > > > it does stand for "hybrid digital," are they > going > > > > to change it to AD > > > > for "all digital" when/if analog gets turned > off? > > > > > > > > Richard Wagoner > > > > > > > > On Dec 30, 2006, at 6:37 PM, Juan wrote: > > > > > > > > > It stands for HYBRID DIGITAL, but the > initials do > > > > ALSO stand for High > > > > > Definition.....but IBOC is FAR from High > > > > Definition, so this could > > > > > confuse the masses. It won't matter though, > the > > > > masses will not spend > > > > > their $$ on IBOC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Either you all get it or you dont. Most cases don't as I can gather. --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Kevin Bell wrote: > > > Why sure it is, HD is Ibiquities brand but HD also > > is > > the technology employed with stands for Hybrid > > Digital. > > > You are WRONG. I can, on a station running HD turn > the > analog off and go totally digital on the main > channel. > Nothing in the digital has changed except that it's > on > the main channel and there is no analog. The digital > coding hasn't changed a twit. I didn't have a HD > radio > at the time ( almost no one did) but one night WCOS > on > 1400 got put into all digital mode. I would have > loved > to test that out. > > You are losing this battle. It's fact. > > It's a tautology. Tautology is means that > something > > is true by definition. HD=Analog+Digital thus a > > hybrid technology. I'm sorry to say it but you > are > > just flat out wrong here. None of the main pages > on > the Ibiquity site say this. > > > I will have to say flat out that you are acting like > a > total idiot here. > > > GEEZER Powell here... > > > Powell > > NNNN! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Dec 31 12:35:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10817 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 20:31:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 20:31:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.29) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 20:31:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 70910 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2006 20:21:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20061231202109.70908.qmail@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 7La2.gIVM1l3uZMwzLIE3tFDliog9r42C0eRHAxW7GszBVwTPLACi6IvjXFtMvWX1tEsV8tj32InnJAwQ00lpm_5bIScxQJPv0G1OuzZX6TRzTfhHWpCesc4tIYdXZOd3CrPUeeL Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:21:09 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:21:09 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=SHxH7LNQg8HF5R86_-ggfTFR7nTQLzHgNNsrlgWym2rWb1leYBIL X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Ok well he called me an idiot. Tit fot tat! --- Juan wrote: > Kevin, > > I know you are making a point, but it isn't nice to > call people > stupid. > > Just my two cents. > > Juan > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell > > wrote: > > > > Again you are just stupid if you can't understand > this > > here. HD by ibiquity is a brand name but HD as > far as > > the technology is a format. HD=Analog+Digital > Thus > > Hybrid. > > > > > > > > > > --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > > > > > If Wikipedia is your source, you have problems. > > > > > > The FCC site correctly states that it is a > hybrid > > > mode. But nowhere > > > does it have the copyrighted HD meaning "Hybrid > > > Digital." It just > > > doesn't stand for it. Or anything. I have been > > > following this and > > > covering it in my radio column for years. > > > > > > > > > Richard Wagoner > > > > > > On Dec 30, 2006, at 9:03 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > > > > > > > http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/digital/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Dec 31 12:40:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29942 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 20:35:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 20:35:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.30) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 20:35:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 88815 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2006 20:25:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MnUrvakVM1luO23Mfqu_25wxg_gF4kZ4SKlJEszSbKeDXkGIz_l1.QMhNpOJrtPuky_oUuYcfoLFe0VV.ioMKAmhIM_GHAotiaFZBPWyNq5IcctQ8kJRl9DfdnEJM86WwaDlkTxH Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:25:23 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:25:23 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <265238.88324.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: BTW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=IrYHl0Ibt73pCCARWtXSezQMpkOdD-DIFDCC2F8uV-EFfdNtuwLU X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke By the way yall i'm over hear laughing like Vincent Price on the Thriller record! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Dec 31 12:47:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66444 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 20:24:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 20:24:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.27) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 20:24:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 74430 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2006 20:24:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: a.jpYHQVM1n9lko1H0aJjZtLMvp.nylomRNJ9Z0Elun3OLWQH7OIzaFFo7na.N8Czw-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:24:20 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:24:20 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1C8D48FD-3824-49F1-AF14-3389DC91566F@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <666019.73882.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=VI4NfLQ5OSN_ud4xgJ76Qqnqy6ekvhgN9a3Nzuo0evlhHVePHkvE X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Richard, I am sorry but I have to say you are about as stupid as it gets. You tell me then why would they use HD? And if HD isn't a hybrid digital format then what the HELL IS IT THEN!? You explain that sir. Make yourself clear what exactly the technology is then? That is like you being Richard Wagoner but saying your initials are HD! Geez! --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > Then the people from Ibiquity that I interviewed in > 2002 when they > announced the TRADEMARK were lying, and HD Radio is > NOT a trademark. > > HD alone can mean anything you want it to mean. the > HD in HD Radio > means nothing. > > I have followed this much longer than you have. I > know what I am > talking about. > > Richard Wagoner > > On Dec 31, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Kevin Bell wrote: > > > Why sure it is, HD is Ibiquities brand but HD also > is > > the technology employed with stands for Hybrid > > Digital. You are losing this battle. It's fact. > > It's a tautology. Tautology is means that > something > > is true by definition. HD=Analog+Digital thus a > > hybrid technology. I'm sorry to say it but you are > > just flat out wrong here. > > > > --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > > > > > This link, > > > > > > (http://ibiquity.com/i/HD%20Radio%20Style%20Guide%20March% > > > > > > 202005.pdf) of Ibiquity's HD trademark style > guide, > > > says nothing > > > about any meaning. I also remember the > statements > > > made by Ibiquity > > > when they first announced the trademark. More > > > recently they may WANT > > > it to mean something, but officially and legally > it > > > means nothing. > > > > > > Further, it is impossible to trademark a phrase: > > > > > > HD Radio Doesn't Mean High Definition...Or > Anything > > > > > > BY GLENN FLEISHMAN > > > > > > I'm not a trademark defender, but let me > explain: I > > > see a lot of > > > articles and blogs talk about high-definition > (HD) > > > radio. But there's > > > no such thing. HD Radio is a trademark; digital > > > radio, or, to be > > > particular, in-band on-channel (IBOC) > broadcasting > > > is what's being > > > used in the U.S. Trademarks can't have any > > > pre-existing meaning in > > > the field in which they are used. This is why > Owens > > > Corning's Pink is > > > a trademark. Pink didn't mean anything in the > world > > > of insulation, so > > > it has an arbitrary meaning, and thus can be > > > trademarked. Words and > > > phrases in common parlance in an industry can't > be > > > hijacked by one > > > company (or that's the intent). > > > > > > HD Radio is a trademark, just like Wi-Fi, which > > > itself doesn't > > > standard for wireless fidelity. Both HD Radio > and > > > Wi-Fi are trying to > > > evoke the image of quality without actually > having a > > > definition > > > attached. (In fact, a definition would be a > wedge to > > > prevent having > > > the trademark approved--if it means something, > well, > > > you get the > > > picture.) > > > > > > The next time you read that HD, or > high-defintion, > > > Radio is yadda > > > yadda yadda, well, it's not. That's why I try to > use > > > HD Radio to talk > > > about iBiquity's technology and digital AM/FM to > > > talk more generally > > > about the field, and even digital radio to > encompass > > > satellite and > > > terrestrial broadcasts. > > > > > > Posted by Glenn Fleishman at 5:02 PM | Permalink > | > > > Comments (0) > > > > > > (From http://digital-am-fm.com/) > > > > > > On Dec 30, 2006, at 11:03 PM, jeffdeck2001 > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ibiquity.com/press_room/news_releases/2006/397 > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Dec 31 13:14:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27897 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 21:10:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 21:10:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao04.cox.net) (68.230.241.35) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 21:10:19 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061231210952.BSMK7494.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:09:52 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 5ZA61W00d2DrW980000000; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:10:06 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <309606.78651.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <309606.78651.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <1D67B31A-04F9-4893-9EF3-EBA71DE6BA7B@cox.net> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:09:49 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=CZ-eeHb2qmJ68jHASmdZrjq4xwRAXbUAAW2ztuOf4owy5CxTw2txR7Wr7jK5 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you were there, you would know that Ibiquity's marketing "expert" who came up with the name wanted to ride the wave of HDTV and make people THINK it stood for High Definition. As was mentioned numerous times in the past, HD is trademarked, and you CAN'T trademark a common phrase. I will let the rest of your post speak for itself. Richard Wagoner On Dec 31, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > Ok my smarty pants let me present this to you then. > If HD means nothing, as you said, then WHY use the > letters HD or create something called HD? Why would > ibiquity use the letters "HD" if they didn't mean > anything? It stands for Hybrid Digital and I don't > know why any other people have put you in your place > already. Where did you go to school? You obviously > didn't learn anything. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Dec 31 13:25:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93117 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 21:14:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 21:14:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao11.cox.net) (68.230.241.28) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 21:14:03 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao11.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061231211402.YQXJ25875.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:14:02 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 5ZEF1W00W2DrW980000000; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:14:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061231202109.70908.qmail@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <20061231202109.70908.qmail@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <1B43E6BC-6DD1-4232-8F54-13D7D6BBB64F@cox.net> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:13:59 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=c5VJPRRdzvikcplnfr84OM9r3KC6jE4_JkerOu9kJ0miLCiq1tonBtS0SDET X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When? I most certainly did not. If you inferred that I did, then that is your problem. Richard Wagoner On Dec 31, 2006, at 12:21 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > Ok well he called me an idiot. Tit fot tat! > > --- Juan wrote: > > > Kevin, > > > > I know you are making a point, but it isn't nice to > > call people > > stupid. > > > > Just my two cents. > > > > Juan > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Again you are just stupid if you can't understand > > this > > > here. HD by ibiquity is a brand name but HD as > > far as > > > the technology is a format. HD=Analog+Digital > > Thus > > > Hybrid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > > > > > > > If Wikipedia is your source, you have problems. > > > > > > > > The FCC site correctly states that it is a > > hybrid > > > > mode. But nowhere > > > > does it have the copyrighted HD meaning "Hybrid > > > > Digital." It just > > > > doesn't stand for it. Or anything. I have been > > > > following this and > > > > covering it in my radio column for years. > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Wagoner > > > > > > > > On Dec 30, 2006, at 9:03 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > > > > > > > > > http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/digital/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Dec 31 13:30:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95110 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 21:08:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 21:08:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao03.cox.net) (68.230.241.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 21:08:16 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061231210606.MBLQ29122.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:06:06 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 5Z6L1W00R2DrW980000000; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:06:21 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <258579.13046.qm@web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <258579.13046.qm@web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <02310CC0-39E4-438C-8A60-2B13A128AAB9@cox.net> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:06:03 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=zmqEWMz9hIObjXC8A0jxuOakPLZCjjWP7wmjnOi3ZzhRT-bxTpesFl542pu_ X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Which I have been saying all along. YOU are the one saying the HD in "HD Radio" means something. It was YOU who gave the links to wikipedia, and YOU who like to call people stupid when they disagree with you AND GIVE EVIDENCE that you are wrong. Read all my past posts: I ALWAYS said it was the HD in "HD Radio" that doesn't mean anything. I NEVER said that HD by itself means nothing. YOU changed the focus of the discussion to try to save face. I like the way you deflect the arguments away from what you said when you are proven wrong and say something else while insulting with words like "stupid." Shows a lot about your character. Richard Wagoner On Dec 31, 2006, at 9:25 AM, Kevin Bell wrote: > Again you are just stupid if you can't understand this > here. HD by ibiquity is a brand name but HD as far as > the technology is a format. HD=Analog+Digital Thus > Hybrid. > > --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > > > If Wikipedia is your source, you have problems. > > > > The FCC site correctly states that it is a hybrid > > mode. But nowhere > > does it have the copyrighted HD meaning "Hybrid > > Digital." It just > > doesn't stand for it. Or anything. I have been > > following this and > > covering it in my radio column for years. > > > > > > Richard Wagoner > > > > On Dec 30, 2006, at 9:03 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > > > > > http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/digital/index.html > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Dec 31 13:39:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22527 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 21:19:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 21:19:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao04.cox.net) (68.230.241.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 21:19:24 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061231211806.BWTF7494.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:18:06 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 5ZJL1W00h2DrW980000000; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:18:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <666019.73882.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <666019.73882.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <6DE67ECA-496F-4888-B8C6-FE845C6F4409@cox.net> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:18:04 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=PCs-EZAgdGY757DdGPTzgKf1TOoVg6m0COt6RRiGfbgyklw2rut4JNJXcU6_ X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've explained it numerous times, including the posting of the column I wrote on it in 2002. Explaining it again probably won't help. I suppose using your logic, then the trademarked brand names (of which HD Radio is but once example) "Ford" "Chevrolet" and "Toyota" is supposed to explain the technology used in their products. Fire away; I'm ready for the next insult. Richard Wagoner On Dec 31, 2006, at 12:24 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > > I am sorry but I have to say you are about as stupid > as it gets. You tell me then why would they use HD? > And if HD isn't a hybrid digital format then what the > HELL IS IT THEN!? You explain that sir. Make > yourself clear what exactly the technology is then? > That is like you being Richard Wagoner but saying your > initials are HD! Geez! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Dec 31 13:44:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37070 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 21:39:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 21:39:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.38) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 21:39:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 95247 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2006 21:39:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Z4jX9QsVM1lGyyX.T0U.hUntyvTaqHKFsUO6sjt.Iy8yhQ9KM07H_eOzPlXV6OE0JEmQuo6Q0ZcIrk4BtmTaFPUCsf1hUiblcB0FLKTXvjuJKSKtEXNrCOu2LJKXkkwz2kTzBNz2 Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:39:09 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:39:09 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <02310CC0-39E4-438C-8A60-2B13A128AAB9@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <419700.94818.qm@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=j_90VzcmxTYaJufiMv8TW0G1Sf9Ttf9vCB_VvTbP_YU3g-VUAT1Y X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Well excuse the hell out of me but you called me an idiot. You dont' like being wrong. --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > Which I have been saying all along. YOU are the one > saying the HD in > "HD Radio" means something. It was YOU who gave the > links to > wikipedia, and YOU who like to call people stupid > when they disagree > with you AND GIVE EVIDENCE that you are wrong. Read > all my past > posts: I ALWAYS said it was the HD in "HD Radio" > that doesn't mean > anything. I NEVER said that HD by itself means > nothing. YOU changed > the focus of the discussion to try to save face. > > I like the way you deflect the arguments away from > what you said when > you are proven wrong and say something else while > insulting with > words like "stupid." Shows a lot about your > character. > > Richard Wagoner > > On Dec 31, 2006, at 9:25 AM, Kevin Bell wrote: > > > Again you are just stupid if you can't understand > this > > here. HD by ibiquity is a brand name but HD as far > as > > the technology is a format. HD=Analog+Digital Thus > > Hybrid. > > > > --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > > > > > If Wikipedia is your source, you have problems. > > > > > > The FCC site correctly states that it is a > hybrid > > > mode. But nowhere > > > does it have the copyrighted HD meaning "Hybrid > > > Digital." It just > > > doesn't stand for it. Or anything. I have been > > > following this and > > > covering it in my radio column for years. > > > > > > > > > Richard Wagoner > > > > > > On Dec 30, 2006, at 9:03 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > > > > > > > http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/digital/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Dec 31 14:10:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45933 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 22:00:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 22:00:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao09.cox.net) (68.230.241.30) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 22:00:32 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061231220021.JBCZ18767.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:00:21 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 5a0b1W00V2DrW980000000; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:00:35 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <419700.94818.qm@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <419700.94818.qm@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:00:18 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=TCiTNTRmh1wfcqZbTsplQk4Z1HvIEpKFJYyjvanELjgGGoJdt3csTW8J0tqK X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Show me where. I have no memory of typing the word, and I would like to see it, since you are accusing me of calling you that. It is not that I don't like being wrong; I don't like being told I am wrong when I am indeed right. Richard Wagoner On Dec 31, 2006, at 1:39 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > Well excuse the hell out of me but you called me an > idiot. You dont' like being wrong. > > --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Dec 31 14:11:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39350 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 22:11:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 22:11:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.38) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 22:11:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 2910 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2006 22:11:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: B0shfigVM1mV2EMHetGUh9VzOM4YHE3wmoqoPa7mHY2j8c_lUuNXFbmC0k0S782XXpX6EIQrfasiHNI31bq.QaYmGqGwrckE68vCDXYZVvK5erFp4AmIybfogXMQaueCipamrYZn Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:11:43 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:11:43 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <407873.1978.qm@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=p5DnY_UQaWHNDuD5hjXCi47dJXFYGrIieol3VmXljdmJ2mRmo6Mx X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke So what will it be? HD Hybrid or what? If it isn't a Hybrid format then what is it? --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > Show me where. I have no memory of typing the word, > and I would like > to see it, since you are accusing me of calling you > that. > > It is not that I don't like being wrong; I don't > like being told I am > wrong when I am indeed right. > > Richard Wagoner > > > On Dec 31, 2006, at 1:39 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > > > Well excuse the hell out of me but you called me > an > > idiot. You dont' like being wrong. > > > > --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Dec 31 14:23:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93473 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 22:13:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 22:13:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 22:13:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 84345 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2006 21:40:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LD322RMVM1nKwStqrNLRNNIGqqrwx9i3Taq1ax_Zb6lQqiktQ3t1RQFTGfmtb1.9AJJumV0vSsh9kVJlZYhBHJvLx2piwub9gwJS8TmlBXOb_o21J5vkKfKcpEoTCvw2mo_XWO_E Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:40:38 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:40:38 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1B43E6BC-6DD1-4232-8F54-13D7D6BBB64F@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <100652.79379.qm@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=FyOPA2EWTJyqVVgyNpub92gJ2kNyvI56qBlh79EsaGQlKptaYcSy X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Again I ask you to explain to all of us just what HD radio is, the technology behind it, etc. I mean since you are in the know so much it would seem you'd want to clarify just what HD is?? Again I just think you are a sore loser. --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > When? I most certainly did not. If you inferred that > I did, then that > is your problem. > > Richard Wagoner > > On Dec 31, 2006, at 12:21 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > > > Ok well he called me an idiot. Tit fot tat! > > > > --- Juan wrote: > > > > > Kevin, > > > > > > I know you are making a point, but it isn't nice > to > > > call people > > > stupid. > > > > > > Just my two cents. > > > > > > Juan > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Again you are just stupid if you can't > understand > > > this > > > > here. HD by ibiquity is a brand name but HD as > > > far as > > > > the technology is a format. HD=Analog+Digital > > > Thus > > > > Hybrid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > > > > > > > > > If Wikipedia is your source, you have > problems. > > > > > > > > > > The FCC site correctly states that it is a > > > hybrid > > > > > mode. But nowhere > > > > > does it have the copyrighted HD meaning > "Hybrid > > > > > Digital." It just > > > > > doesn't stand for it. Or anything. I have > been > > > > > following this and > > > > > covering it in my radio column for years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Wagoner > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 30, 2006, at 9:03 PM, Kevin Bell > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/digital/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > protection around > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Dec 31 14:34:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13731 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 22:28:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 22:28:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao04.cox.net) (68.230.241.35) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 22:28:55 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061231222738.DODM7494.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:27:38 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 5aTs1W00R2DrW980000000; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:27:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <407873.1978.qm@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <407873.1978.qm@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:27:37 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=KU3idNe1UAPJemWo6UeE_Ce0f8ncntSiaIC9vW0Z_-8ruzwsmyDgfROSgMM2 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HD Radio is a trademarked name that Ibiquity uses for their propriety system of broadcasting digital signals over the AM and FM band. Currently, the system is using hybrid mode, in which the digital signals are sent along with the analog signals. The system is also capable of sending totally digital signals (though technically the digital signals are send along an analog carrier to be decoded later, in the same way that digital signals are sent on cable lines for digital TV, cable modem, analog phone lines are used for DSL modems, and satellites are sued for various information systems (real engineers correct me on this if I am wrong). In totally digital mode, the analog signal no longer needs to be maintained as in the past, and the full digital signal can be more robust for two reasons: (1) it can be brought closer to the actual carrier frequency, reducing interference to adjacent channels and (2) power can be increased substantially. In full digital mode, as opposed to hybrid mode, HD Radio (and DRM, for that matter) is supposed to work much, much better ... with the potential, in fact, of receiving AM HD very long distances. Note that the trademark name "HD Radio" covrs all forms of Ibiquity's IBOC transmission system, be it hybrid or all-digital. I have covered this extensively in my column over the years. I am still not convinced that the hybrid mode interference can be totally solved, though I am having fun playing with my new radio. But my request was for you to show me where I called you an idiot. Please show me where I did that. Richard Wagoner On Dec 31, 2006, at 2:11 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > So what will it be? HD Hybrid or what? If it isn't a > Hybrid format then what is it? > > --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > > > Show me where. I have no memory of typing the word, > > and I would like > > to see it, since you are accusing me of calling you > > that. > > > > It is not that I don't like being wrong; I don't > > like being told I am > > wrong when I am indeed right. > > > > Richard Wagoner > > > > > > On Dec 31, 2006, at 1:39 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > > > > > Well excuse the hell out of me but you called me > > an > > > idiot. You dont' like being wrong. > > > > > > --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Dec 31 14:40:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22870 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 22:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 22:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.34) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 22:39:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 79742 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2006 22:38:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20061231223841.79740.qmail@web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 7mbETRMVM1lNt1Rh7WOIJ2csKKt9BCj2UEGFlwWX8Jre_CThECR4nLdHdXH0wxenhQJJPByG9618h3JlH7UDH9d4Favpe2GlotXYTqZ7PtQZbQBRQ2Cgb0dn_BQ04PDe3benOz7O3oJmtN_LwPaSGZmm1spGaq.4d4if40wrzMM6OlduF1MGQg-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:38:41 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:38:41 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=PApP-cOcm6eE_GiLl_j5IUnzHxbbeBeFX9Hdz5U4FkmpuvE2gsQW X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Ahh folks so it is in fact Hybrid! hmmm Isn't that interesting and right from the horses mouth! --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > HD Radio is a trademarked name that Ibiquity uses > for their propriety > system of broadcasting digital signals over the AM > and FM band. > Currently, the system is using hybrid mode, in which > the digital > signals are sent along with the analog signals. The > system is also > capable of sending totally digital signals (though > technically the > digital signals are send along an analog carrier to > be decoded later, > in the same way that digital signals are sent on > cable lines for > digital TV, cable modem, analog phone lines are used > for DSL modems, > and satellites are sued for various information > systems (real > engineers correct me on this if I am wrong). > > In totally digital mode, the analog signal no longer > needs to be > maintained as in the past, and the full digital > signal can be more > robust for two reasons: (1) it can be brought closer > to the actual > carrier frequency, reducing interference to adjacent > channels and (2) > power can be increased substantially. In full > digital mode, as > opposed to hybrid mode, HD Radio (and DRM, for that > matter) is > supposed to work much, much better ... with the > potential, in fact, > of receiving AM HD very long distances. Note that > the trademark name > "HD Radio" covrs all forms of Ibiquity's IBOC > transmission system, be > it hybrid or all-digital. > > I have covered this extensively in my column over > the years. I am > still not convinced that the hybrid mode > interference can be totally > solved, though I am having fun playing with my new > radio. > > But my request was for you to show me where I called > you an idiot. > Please show me where I did that. > > Richard Wagoner > > On Dec 31, 2006, at 2:11 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > > > So what will it be? HD Hybrid or what? If it isn't > a > > Hybrid format then what is it? > > > > --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > > > > > Show me where. I have no memory of typing the > word, > > > and I would like > > > to see it, since you are accusing me of calling > you > > > that. > > > > > > It is not that I don't like being wrong; I don't > > > like being told I am > > > wrong when I am indeed right. > > > > > > Richard Wagoner > > > > > > > > > On Dec 31, 2006, at 1:39 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > > > > > > > Well excuse the hell out of me but you called > me > > > an > > > > idiot. You dont' like being wrong. > > > > > > > > --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Dec 31 14:47:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79945 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 22:40:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 22:40:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 22:40:40 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2006 22:38:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2006 22:38:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2006 22:38:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 22:38:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <100652.79379.qm@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.153.79.130 From: "Juan" Subject: HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=KpSVO2TK0qcGhecQ38KlWuFBEuAeMy1wrCxxqPrlyJFRwgY X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Kevin, I found a website that explains HD Radio. I am sure there are others. http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/wi-roam46/index.html --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 wrote: > > Again I ask you to explain to all of us just what HD > radio is, the technology behind it, etc. I mean since > you are in the know so much it would seem you'd want > to clarify just what HD is?? Again I just think you > are a sore loser.=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Richard Wagoner wrote: >=20 > > When? I most certainly did not. If you inferred that > > I did, then that=20=20 > > is your problem. > >=20 > > Richard Wagoner > >=20 > > On Dec 31, 2006, at 12:21 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > >=20 > > > Ok well he called me an idiot. Tit fot tat! > > > > > > --- Juan wrote: > > > > > > > Kevin, > > > > > > > > I know you are making a point, but it isn't nice > > to > > > > call people > > > > stupid. > > > > > > > > Just my two cents. > > > > > > > > Juan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Again you are just stupid if you can't > > understand > > > > this > > > > > here. HD by ibiquity is a brand name but HD as > > > > far as > > > > > the technology is a format. HD=3DAnalog+Digital > > > > Thus > > > > > Hybrid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > If Wikipedia is your source, you have > > problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > The FCC site correctly states that it is a > > > > hybrid > > > > > > mode. But nowhere > > > > > > does it have the copyrighted HD meaning > > "Hybrid > > > > > > Digital." It just > > > > > > doesn't stand for it. Or anything. I have > > been > > > > > > following this and > > > > > > covering it in my radio column for years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Wagoner > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 30, 2006, at 9:03 PM, Kevin Bell > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/digital/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > > protection around > > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com > From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Dec 31 14:52:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14506 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 22:50:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 22:50:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao01.cox.net) (68.230.241.38) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 22:50:53 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061231223000.ORWG3976.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:30:00 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 5aWB1W0062DrW980000000; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:30:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <100652.79379.qm@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <100652.79379.qm@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <8E17FCC5-00FC-4F02-B1F1-60C87BA0F9F9@cox.net> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:29:56 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=cwLBssgcCVMNHxXjANskrJQDihRILtaa0His12gMWghaVcPY482vFlR3f4Wx X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's been explained, numerous times. You are just changing the subject again. Besides, I thought with your strong opinion that HD Radio sucks, you'd know how it works. Oh, wait, you've never even heard it. One more time: When did I call you an idiot? Richard Wagoner On Dec 31, 2006, at 1:40 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > Again I ask you to explain to all of us just what HD > radio is, the technology behind it, etc. I mean since > you are in the know so much it would seem you'd want > to clarify just what HD is?? Again I just think you > are a sore loser. > > --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > > > When? I most certainly did not. If you inferred that > > I did, then that > > is your problem. > > > > Richard Wagoner > > > > On Dec 31, 2006, at 12:21 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > > > > > Ok well he called me an idiot. Tit fot tat! > > > > > > --- Juan wrote: > > > > > > > Kevin, > > > > > > > > I know you are making a point, but it isn't nice > > to > > > > call people > > > > stupid. > > > > > > > > Just my two cents. > > > > > > > > Juan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Again you are just stupid if you can't > > understand > > > > this > > > > > here. HD by ibiquity is a brand name but HD as > > > > far as > > > > > the technology is a format. HD=Analog+Digital > > > > Thus > > > > > Hybrid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > If Wikipedia is your source, you have > > problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > The FCC site correctly states that it is a > > > > hybrid > > > > > > mode. But nowhere > > > > > > does it have the copyrighted HD meaning > > "Hybrid > > > > > > Digital." It just > > > > > > doesn't stand for it. Or anything. I have > > been > > > > > > following this and > > > > > > covering it in my radio column for years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Wagoner > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 30, 2006, at 9:03 PM, Kevin Bell > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/digital/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > > protection around > > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From raynor_jeff@yahoo.com Sun Dec 31 14:55:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: raynor_jeff@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63398 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 22:50:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 22:50:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.59) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 22:50:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2006 22:45:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2006 22:45:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 22:45:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.0.80.147 From: "Jeff Raynor" Subject: The REAL definition of "HD" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=221315206; y=Qu3-mpm8PeE43lCt5ura6Cb_-vY73-O9pTX0f-9aMObuiu88ynw X-Yahoo-Profile: raynor_jeff I've only posted once, and I don't to be an expert at anything. I'm=20 just one lowly poor little guy who runs an AM station in the country.=20 I don't like the idea of the "digital thing", but I'd love to have my=20 station in stereo. I worked at a stereo AM as a fill-in one weekend=20 and I must say I was soooo impressed with how it sounded thru the mod- monitor and in my headphones. That station was 790-AM WTAR in=20 Norfolk, VA back in the late 80's when they were running a music=20 format. Music on Scotch carts thru an Auditronics console. Sounded=20 awesome... but I digress. It would seem by reading the last batch of posts in the group, that=20 the absolute true definition of "HD" would be "Hotly Debated". It=20 really doens't matter to me. I'll not do it unless told to do so by=20 an FCC man with a big stick in both hands.=20 Oh.. and after my last post, someone asked me if I was in stereo...=20 no, but wish I was. My entire music library is in stereo--as is my=20 console (Auditronics 210). Guess I'd need to have a stereo processor=20 and whatever else it would take to put it in stereo. If anyone wants=20 to educate me personally, and not in a post, feel free to contact me.=20 By the way, my station is on 1600kHz in southwest Virginia. We run=20 Classic Country (and Southern Gospel on Sunday in-between the=20 preachers).=20 Thanks for indulging me. I couldn't resist. Jeff Raynor WXMY-AM Saltville, VA From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Dec 31 14:57:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5718 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 22:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 22:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao03.cox.net) (68.230.241.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 22:54:32 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061231225427.OLBQ29122.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:54:27 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 5aui1W0022DrW980000000; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:54:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061231223841.79740.qmail@web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <20061231223841.79740.qmail@web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <7DA934BF-7FCD-4AA2-A851-5CD4DC48BA0F@cox.net> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:54:27 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=9goiEI4YyaQBDRoaqUCAz0ayeumXtRqthBKvCGB3LSEXzXd5U5o_AeEtQQf6 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You once again missed the part about what the HD in HD Radio means? I have never once said that the SYSTEM wasn't hybrid. Never. At this point, I really can't tell if you are serious or not. I can't believe I've even bothered responding to your posts; I am now of the opinion that you would refute anything I said, even if I said the world was round. Sorry that I bothered trying to help. Richard Wagoner On Dec 31, 2006, at 2:38 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > Ahh folks so it is in fact Hybrid! hmmm Isn't that > interesting and right from the horses mouth! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Dec 31 15:07:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84226 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 23:04:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 23:04:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 23:04:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 3452 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2006 23:04:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BKOgH94VM1k7hGkBOQiEURjOnPp4HaScUH0chLnDxVJuJ3rLJZcBEV3qeGLiDTnCgc1UzN.bWtIpI9VjjLeAeXD4fg7aUspVbogYJuhxqHZ5ePe25ibf8cqRff6yqdOBFsZpdQx5 Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:04:16 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:04:16 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8E17FCC5-00FC-4F02-B1F1-60C87BA0F9F9@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <796565.3358.qm@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=P-YzdN5A1a-aLOpVu0sN1_9curwbdMq5nMlaGf09JrIzYj9CuOd2 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Correction, I think I am the one who understands how it works because you didn't even know it was Hybrid and now you wanna back peddle and pretend you knew! --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > It's been explained, numerous times. You are just > changing the > subject again. > > Besides, I thought with your strong opinion that HD > Radio sucks, > you'd know how it works. Oh, wait, you've never even > heard it. > > One more time: When did I call you an idiot? > > Richard Wagoner > > On Dec 31, 2006, at 1:40 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > > > Again I ask you to explain to all of us just what > HD > > radio is, the technology behind it, etc. I mean > since > > you are in the know so much it would seem you'd > want > > to clarify just what HD is?? Again I just think > you > > are a sore loser. > > > > --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > > > > > When? I most certainly did not. If you inferred > that > > > I did, then that > > > is your problem. > > > > > > Richard Wagoner > > > > > > On Dec 31, 2006, at 12:21 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > > > > > > > Ok well he called me an idiot. Tit fot tat! > > > > > > > > --- Juan wrote: > > > > > > > > > Kevin, > > > > > > > > > > I know you are making a point, but it isn't > nice > > > to > > > > > call people > > > > > stupid. > > > > > > > > > > Just my two cents. > > > > > > > > > > Juan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin > Bell > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Again you are just stupid if you can't > > > understand > > > > > this > > > > > > here. HD by ibiquity is a brand name but > HD as > > > > > far as > > > > > > the technology is a format. > HD=Analog+Digital > > > > > Thus > > > > > > Hybrid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Wikipedia is your source, you have > > > problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The FCC site correctly states that it is > a > > > > > hybrid > > > > > > > mode. But nowhere > > > > > > > does it have the copyrighted HD meaning > > > "Hybrid > > > > > > > Digital." It just > > > > > > > doesn't stand for it. Or anything. I > have > > > been > > > > > > > following this and > > > > > > > covering it in my radio column for > years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Wagoner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 30, 2006, at 9:03 PM, Kevin Bell > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/digital/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best > spam > > > > > protection around > > > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > protection around > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Dec 31 15:07:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91251 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 23:00:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 23:00:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.34) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 23:00:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 84648 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2006 22:59:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 9u59hgIVM1mbmDmHjulgkIuqDV5jUEZsoRplO83O.2kY40Xmarnm27MR_tifoM43oszyTzu_6oDsAo1I9.tPWRODvtuqBcUk9qjdQ1U9nZEJbnAoQJoVZ0R9M7yMoXI.y8FIVVWj Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:59:25 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:59:25 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <661388.84113.qm@web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=h5n6ENhp-22WUTpGSw5X8_0ZlNJsfeh_8PUUrtVdRHcoPcyhgizc X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Haha Mr. Wagoner needs to read the box to the right on that page, LOL!!! Thanks Juan! --- Juan wrote: > Kevin, > > > I found a website that explains HD Radio. I am sure > there are others. > > > http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/wi-roam46/index.html > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell > > wrote: > > > > Again I ask you to explain to all of us just what > HD > > radio is, the technology behind it, etc. I mean > since > > you are in the know so much it would seem you'd > want > > to clarify just what HD is?? Again I just think > you > > are a sore loser. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > > > > > When? I most certainly did not. If you inferred > that > > > I did, then that > > > is your problem. > > > > > > Richard Wagoner > > > > > > On Dec 31, 2006, at 12:21 PM, Kevin Bell wrote: > > > > > > > Ok well he called me an idiot. Tit fot tat! > > > > > > > > --- Juan wrote: > > > > > > > > > Kevin, > > > > > > > > > > I know you are making a point, but it isn't > nice > > > to > > > > > call people > > > > > stupid. > > > > > > > > > > Just my two cents. > > > > > > > > > > Juan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin > Bell > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Again you are just stupid if you can't > > > understand > > > > > this > > > > > > here. HD by ibiquity is a brand name but > HD as > > > > > far as > > > > > > the technology is a format. > HD=Analog+Digital > > > > > Thus > > > > > > Hybrid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Wikipedia is your source, you have > > > problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The FCC site correctly states that it is > a > > > > > hybrid > > > > > > > mode. But nowhere > > > > > > > does it have the copyrighted HD meaning > > > "Hybrid > > > > > > > Digital." It just > > > > > > > doesn't stand for it. Or anything. I > have > > > been > > > > > > > following this and > > > > > > > covering it in my radio column for > years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Wagoner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 30, 2006, at 9:03 PM, Kevin Bell > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/digital/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best > spam > > > > > protection around > > > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > protection around > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Dec 31 15:22:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37824 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 23:19:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 23:19:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.110) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 23:19:45 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n12.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2006 23:17:09 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2006 23:17:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2006 23:17:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 23:17:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.254.150 From: "Kevin T." Subject: This discussion is over. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=SRdiA51iFt9qkj-mFhK7lJR1mT59Bp-Vr2hbrEvUrEo9AzKaIg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics OK folks, time to stop the arguing and get back on topic. For the record, "HD Radio" stands for.... "HD Radio". Nothing else. It is simply a consumer marketing name designed to give the illusion=20 that HD Radio holds the same advantages over analog radio that HDTV=20 holds over analog TV. iBiquity has made it clear that the "HD" in HD Radio does NOT stand=20 for "High Definition", and any station or company which calls it=20 "High Definition Radio" is in violation of iBiquity's corporate=20 standards. However, they have done nothing to enforce this rule, to=20 such an extent that the HD Radio Alliance (not legally a part of=20 iBiquity Corp.) is incorrectly calling it "High Definition" in their=20 advertising. iBiquity has also never given an official definition of what the "HD"=20 DOES stand for. All they have said is that it does NOT stand for=20 "High Definition". They have NEVER defined it as "Hybrid Digital",=20 regardless of any second-hand information you may have heard. This=20 is because HD Radio has been designed from the start to operate in=20 both hybrid and full-digital modes. The intent is that one day,=20 analog broadcasting will go away completely, and HD Radio will be=20 used exclusively in full-digital mode. Full-digital HD Radio=20 contains no analog signal and is not a "Hybrid Digital" system. So that's the story, and I'm sticking to it. Can we get back to=20 talking about AM Stereo now? Kevin Tekel Co-Moderator of The AM Stereo Forum From amfmtech@yahoo.com Sun Dec 31 15:22:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21457 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 23:22:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 23:22:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56808.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.82) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 23:22:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 15746 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2006 23:20:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: w5mlFgkVM1m0C4_F71b5fpDcZ46WEAVPJ6y.wYKnz4O2.h44yPu6binAu7bkx.rsLqWDB2O8R08wKjhEfwFYGJiKossHrU8SGpRzB15TqE27aO7Ufc617JQyD..0LDswHbs7kZwNqQk1fKtnJzNX0YWo1vyGG2Y0x9kGjmbLV76T2Tlw1FU3O4.KYt4G Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56808.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:20:58 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:20:58 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00b501c72bb4$b4424ca0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <851247.15620.qm@web56808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=tf1O4mFHJZELx9jIBnjxP0AyZaUtqFUV2tq7sLVLClzsYgI X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott, could I send you a GIF image off list? I imported the schematic into MS Paint and relabled the chips so it can be better read. Could you check me to make sure I've got them correct on the diagram. I may call in a favor from a friend who makes PC boards and see if one of these stereo generators can be married up to a triband processor he built for an FM transmitter. ...Harold Scott Todd wrote: I'm building one of the original Alfredo boards to serve as both a standalone AM stereo transmitter AND exciter. The chips you are interested in are NE602s, though you'll still need the following stage, the ua733CN first envelope modulator, and take the signal across those two diodes between the 470pf caps. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Richards" > Thank you! I appreciate the link. Do you happen to know what the numbers are of the two chips in the encoding side? > > Has anyone made just the encoder portion of this and connected it to another exciter or transmitter? I am curious if you could use this on one of those commercially built TIS transmitters by Radio Systems, or an HF rig. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmtech@yahoo.com Sun Dec 31 15:30:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57593 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 23:29:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 23:29:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56802.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.76) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 23:29:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 14162 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2006 23:29:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1WjItLgVM1li9ayATgjv45Zck9zeR6nPcBm6AsA56CzHlPXJcmGVX5FfwuLAZH_25zyfPIfAaquvFgAh0HXilUnW.IwtufFfWhDohQCkvsuMmCeqksvxxZBm_6GdgUS6AZh2m8DilXbngEmLxbb6A3gBhWZHzmJf_txe8AWop20DXmOyptaq1DUjCjxK Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56802.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:29:46 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:29:46 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00c901c72bb5$c1f3be00$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <936796.13571.qm@web56802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.76 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=11e8FjjhiBTjQgpRHKSAAkWS23K60xaf2pemI17CVnFm8M8 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wasn't going to say it, but I have an LPB 6B transmitter, so I share your interest. ...Harold Scott Todd wrote: forgot to add- haven't tried it with one of those low power transmitters, but assuming the RF chain is broadbanded enough, there's absolutely no reason to think it wouldn't work, though you might have to put in some minor amount of audio delay. Am hoping to use mine with an LPB RC25B eventually. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" > I'm building one of the original Alfredo boards to serve as both a > standalone AM stereo transmitter AND exciter. The chips you are interested > in are NE602s, though you'll still need the following stage, the ua733CN > first envelope modulator, and take the signal across those two diodes > between the 470pf caps. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harold Richards" > > > > Thank you! I appreciate the link. Do you happen to know what the numbers > are of the two chips in the encoding side? > > > > Has anyone made just the encoder portion of this and connected it to > another exciter or transmitter? I am curious if you could use this on one > of those commercially built TIS transmitters by Radio Systems, or an HF rig. > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmtech@yahoo.com Sun Dec 31 15:35:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28433 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 23:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 23:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56807.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 23:30:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 11400 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2006 23:29:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20061231232947.11398.qmail@web56807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: BFe1qBoVM1k32b5vXwwzNqX4ZcZQhW5ri3_GCS_0Ni9PLiHtzYJ9KHopGCWRsXRZqA-- Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56807.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:29:47 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:29:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00c901c72bb5$c1f3be00$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=WsUkbhGfeH3L7VToNBl3o4sxiy_qCz6GjXXrQa5V47JiBNo X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wasn't going to say it, but I have an LPB 6B transmitter, so I share your interest. ...Harold Scott Todd wrote: forgot to add- haven't tried it with one of those low power transmitters, but assuming the RF chain is broadbanded enough, there's absolutely no reason to think it wouldn't work, though you might have to put in some minor amount of audio delay. Am hoping to use mine with an LPB RC25B eventually. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" > I'm building one of the original Alfredo boards to serve as both a > standalone AM stereo transmitter AND exciter. The chips you are interested > in are NE602s, though you'll still need the following stage, the ua733CN > first envelope modulator, and take the signal across those two diodes > between the 470pf caps. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harold Richards" > > > > Thank you! I appreciate the link. Do you happen to know what the numbers > are of the two chips in the encoding side? > > > > Has anyone made just the encoder portion of this and connected it to > another exciter or transmitter? I am curious if you could use this on one > of those commercially built TIS transmitters by Radio Systems, or an HF rig. > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Dec 31 15:47:58 2006 X-Deleted-Message: yes From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Dec 31 15:59:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18796 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 23:40:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2006 23:40:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 23:40:43 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.105.160.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.105.160] helo=PossumHunter) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H1AIC-0002d6-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:40:41 -0500 Message-ID: <01a301c72d35$12b97890$a0695b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <20061231232947.11398.qmail@web56807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:40:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=2LcQi4h7Escbubp-KkPCDPZ1s7dV1oxgAiH3lBIMdw6PtT9YfnuYl9fgQUXyYQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Harold Richards wrote: >I wasn't going to say it, but I have an LPB 6B transmitter, so I share your >interest. I got you beat! I have an RCA BTA1-R1 with fresh tubes! LOL Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Dec 31 16:15:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50660 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 00:11:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 00:11:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 00:11:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 64042 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jan 2007 00:11:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: m.8nH1UVM1m7tNPYI0OvQ5weCZ7vuyhJrM4nB3qp_G2ej0qDlwuy_6cC6InlPXlXrfWuSlyxBTAJo5hc16BzoxAKNZ9NPfMMhFRvHwMobaKh7cSzymyUwRsgFSGXOj.KUk8PSkpMl0KyWSLS9Tq2c86EBct.NZLAmtBekY6n9WOrTm6ctgT8nKQG Received: from [72.240.139.231] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:11:07 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:11:07 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <872190.63994.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: HD means jack-nothing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=apxGbIGygiZb9vg0Mz4JXyaXE3y_Lw2Fb8KBPkTYjnL4NndlQOzCaV0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio IIRC, I also read that iBiquity added the "HD" - but that it doesn't mean anything at all. That was in about 2004 I read that statement. My opinion is that they probably added the HD as it is more pleasing on the ears and easier to remember than "IBOC" -and- they are probably hoping that people THINK that it means "high definition", like it does for digital TV, but it does NOT for radio. I think that maybe the HD stands for "Huge Deficiency on AM". Actually, I think they should have changed the letters for AM HD to another acronym, short for: "Severe Huge Interfering Transmissions". Happy New Year Everyone, and may all your AM be in stereo with at least a 10KHz high end! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 31 16:23:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81392 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 00:15:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 00:15:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.205) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 00:15:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 92532 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 00:14:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jim8wpwl0kyh37) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.19.156.201 with login) by smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 00:14:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: UBIzvNYVM1lJBssNGZBjlE9lpF5fJgR_3YfVnJ87qj53GotkGnVaMEvZn6UtEsYDBBmGqUKWTljlN0MKdpqHzmfwGOCMgv_JTLnyrHoCeuWfZQ-- Message-ID: <001201c72d39$e1131b20$d50bfea9@jim8wpwl0kyh37> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:15:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: Happy New Years X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=qijWDdpxC545SsXHITxVg9KRBWdRSdzhC0HUM4fMPJsXkzcmZNb97DsgqrSXnI4lt0BSl9TK X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Happy New Years in AM STEREO land!!!! Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 31 16:38:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86638 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 00:38:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 00:38:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52201.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.124) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 00:38:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 52868 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jan 2007 00:37:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 6m7qi.IVM1lDoVd.1v2XBkKLe.LX84vSIsKrRtbrap.S4cVd9Nj1B1Ab7VKD7wnCT7yeEMJOTJx0ZiQo_TTINAbWPy9ugybjs9lFyjpmc5jbpj7btDdzZVlBjhyeldpvU8Y6LktGspdY_5VO1l.JWTkwOMU9KQfY7.d0hSCEZvYKFynqnMeWE7fpKiyo Received: from [12.76.217.53] by web52201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:37:19 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:37:19 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <309606.78651.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <516192.52628.qm@web52201.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.124 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=o0Bz5q0UutY-k4CNY1x80vjoQJ5wDICqCbRLp1CSvko X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > Ok my smarty pants let me present this to you then. > If HD means nothing, as you said, then WHY use the > letters HD or create something called HD? Because "they" want to associate HD with High Definition by being sneaky. > Why would > ibiquity use the letters "HD" if they didn't mean > anything? See above. It stands for Hybrid Digital and I don't > know why any other people have put you in your place > already. Where did you go to school? You obviously > didn't learn anything. He's a professional in the business. You aren't. ANYway, until you mentioned it, I had never heard it called that even from the Ibiquity folks at the Digital Radio Conference in Charlotte this spring. Powell NNNN! From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Dec 31 16:40:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70589 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 00:36:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 00:36:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.23) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 00:36:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2007 00:34:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2007 00:34:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 00:34:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <872190.63994.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.153.79.130 From: "Juan" Subject: Re: HD means jack-nothing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=RPeGt2Scrr8FUiyruoLwGUN6angjM0WAl36aRzS460Ms0Q0 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane I think that explains it, but at some point someone at Ibiquity used=20 it. See link below. Also I heard it used by an Ibiquity employee Maybe Hybrid Digital was used before HD was coined, just a=20 coincidence ? www.ibiquity.com/press_room/news_releases/2006/397=20 Juan Happy New Year to all ! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > IIRC, I also read that iBiquity added the "HD" - but that it doesn't > mean anything at all. That was in about 2004 I read that statement. >=20=20=20 > My opinion is that they probably added the HD as it is more=20 pleasing on > the ears and easier to remember than "IBOC" -and- they are probably > hoping that people THINK that it means "high definition", like it=20 does > for digital TV, but it does NOT for radio. >=20 > I think that maybe the HD stands for "Huge Deficiency on AM". > Actually, I think they should have changed the letters for AM HD=20 > to another acronym, short for: "Severe Huge Interfering=20 Transmissions". >=20 > Happy New Year Everyone, and may all your AM be in stereo with at=20 least > a 10KHz high end! >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com > From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 31 16:42:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22144 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 00:41:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 00:41:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52205.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.128) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 00:41:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 54261 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jan 2007 00:40:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MTXwj8UVM1nrfdhcI9LAaIO4p5EviEWuIX4oU7YAgjMDTMTmMO.JwgKrZcD9axwnMMVlTVxIrQaf_72FX.lEBRCWIsgUx80hcFdjaReUZON6t2sCGxLBM._FV7RTIB.Zg8fXl2V.rwG_e9UvEPDQPD7ED.C6Jt59Bgf0KqQvL2eQnkudKbcjpC6rjfY7 Received: from [12.76.217.53] by web52205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:40:08 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:40:08 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <313502.64493.qm@web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <469825.52907.qm@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=_yw3Dt5WbRE6DuetY-kM1geIgIF3UK__zJJ0vh5vB34 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > HD does stand for Hybrid Digital period. Either you > all get it or you dont. Most cases don't as I can > gather. > > > > > --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > > > --- Kevin Bell wrote: > > > > > Why sure it is, HD is Ibiquities brand but HD > also > > > is > > > the technology employed with stands for Hybrid > > > Digital. > > > > > > You are WRONG. I can, on a station running HD turn > > the > > analog off and go totally digital on the main > > channel. > > Nothing in the digital has changed except that > it's > > on > > the main channel and there is no analog. The > digital > > coding hasn't changed a twit. I didn't have a HD > > radio > > at the time ( almost no one did) but one night > WCOS > > on > > 1400 got put into all digital mode. I would have > > loved > > to test that out. > > > > You are losing this battle. It's fact. > > > It's a tautology. Tautology is means that > > something > > > is true by definition. HD=Analog+Digital thus a > > > hybrid technology. I'm sorry to say it but you > > are > > > just flat out wrong here. None of the main > pages > > on > > the Ibiquity site say this. > > > > > > I will have to say flat out that you are acting > like > > a > > total idiot here. > > > > > > GEEZER Powell here... > > > > > > Powell > > > > NNNN! > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 31 16:55:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64327 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 00:46:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 00:46:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52210.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.133) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 00:46:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 32957 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jan 2007 00:46:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: nQZNe5oVM1m6AxsrlTITsyMA_f7wecxuhEZLyxgqudm9GcFNQKWW.ZmDiSp1GNPuRzEw6HxT.hwK_uhdSStceQGh1HswF7L8YWmK7WolTyt4VCjqcgIAIa3WS8ASzhLyTKaV77yiBet8S88- Received: from [12.76.217.53] by web52210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:46:17 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:46:17 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20061231223841.79740.qmail@web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <278597.32226.qm@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo from WNMB via Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=a1rXs7E-srswggr-BSvs3hXsKbaC3Q4urglXnX9fTEY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > Ahh folks so it is in fact Hybrid! hmmm Isn't that > interesting and right from the horses mouth! It is a digital system CURRENTLY operating in hybrid MODE. A simple flip of a switch and that can change. Until you mentioned it, I NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER heard anyone mention HD as you called it, not even in direct talks to the Ibiquity folks in Charlotte this spring. Powell NNNN! From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Dec 31 17:11:00 2006 X-Deleted-Message: yes From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 31 17:16:16 2006 X-Deleted-Message: yes From mtgc@hotmail.com Sun Dec 31 17:18:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34841 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 01:18:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 01:18:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s16.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 01:18:06 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.10.144]) by bay0-omc1-s16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:17:02 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:17:02 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.215.65.146 by BAY122-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 01:16:58 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:15:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jan 2007 01:17:02.0241 (UTC) FILETIME=[8AC20110:01C72D42] Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Michael Upton" Subject: Re: {AMSF} This discussion is over. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=KmSNkl2Ezt5RJUOv1Gx4RC46tzLk8fnvFghU-X45lktrQzr-xCqs X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been reading this entire message string now for what seems like forever. I agree with Kevin T., it is time to get back on topic for this discussion group, said topic being "AM Stereo". By the way, a very happy New Year to all you fine folks. I am greatly appreciative of all I have learned from this group. MTGC (Michael) p.s. A special Happy New Years to that very fine lady in Northern California!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 5:17 PM Subject: {AMSF} This discussion is over. OK folks, time to stop the arguing and get back on topic. For the record, "HD Radio" stands for.... "HD Radio". Nothing else. It is simply a consumer marketing name designed to give the illusion that HD Radio holds the same advantages over analog radio that HDTV holds over analog TV. iBiquity has made it clear that the "HD" in HD Radio does NOT stand for "High Definition", and any station or company which calls it "High Definition Radio" is in violation of iBiquity's corporate standards. However, they have done nothing to enforce this rule, to such an extent that the HD Radio Alliance (not legally a part of iBiquity Corp.) is incorrectly calling it "High Definition" in their advertising. iBiquity has also never given an official definition of what the "HD" DOES stand for. All they have said is that it does NOT stand for "High Definition". They have NEVER defined it as "Hybrid Digital", regardless of any second-hand information you may have heard. This is because HD Radio has been designed from the start to operate in both hybrid and full-digital modes. The intent is that one day, analog broadcasting will go away completely, and HD Radio will be used exclusively in full-digital mode. Full-digital HD Radio contains no analog signal and is not a "Hybrid Digital" system. So that's the story, and I'm sticking to it. Can we get back to talking about AM Stereo now? Kevin Tekel Co-Moderator of The AM Stereo Forum [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmtech@yahoo.com Sun Dec 31 17:20:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69685 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 01:20:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 01:20:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56802.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 01:20:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 46369 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jan 2007 01:19:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: f3tuIp0VM1lv.IOksZ3K4W5RQw9JcR_n4Y56P28DJOnYfHPyTeOa4jo97RAdtXcGkD5GiqLCF5aa3Cn08zNMJSezuKhguyNWT.qakxLm6wXinmuIFw.k5o7DTjLs3KrArnCCxtHgUX4MQGU- Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56802.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:19:29 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:19:29 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <01a301c72d35$12b97890$a0695b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <481697.46356.qm@web56802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.76 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=E85nAOM96prSQuTvinVtXgvBreFO5y91nnjaa3Qin-mNGYg X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Personal or a commercial station's? The BTA1R series were great boxes. ...Harold Possum Hunter wrote: Harold Richards wrote: >I wasn't going to say it, but I have an LPB 6B transmitter, so I share your >interest. I got you beat! I have an RCA BTA1-R1 with fresh tubes! LOL Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 31 17:23:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59436 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 01:20:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 01:20:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52205.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.128) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 01:20:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 66752 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jan 2007 01:19:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xaIrNt4VM1kglHoVNOXmTt.eY71_ds8.DQ1AVSlJXkq0DIjDJnfzKm0zYysfd6C2yH0WmWC1wiDnCv5DYfzmYC2l69czfeZQurh_Ll742Fg8abefioFR.LFRLlk6LW6WW4ZR.K6JZ.HTEN773JooAQfcVqySvp1_e80Tj0AyYYmLKxzzsN1aoPjI3tfZ Received: from [12.76.217.84] by web52205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:19:39 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:19:39 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <014001c72cf2$c1a1e970$c36d5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <817133.66178.qm@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: The end of analog X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=hjnIrbjgMbtMfGlKW406gt3kPeEFSAmVWF8uASDw_Zw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW The end of analog transmission mode (AM) on the MW band is seriously being discussed and considered in Great Britain, with the FM band to follow. There's been whisperings of it over in the United States. For IBOC to succeed analog has to be turned off, sooner than later. Any long dragging out of analog and digital on the same band kills radio for both. How many stations on our AM band will go away once IBOC gets night authorization shortly..... Powell NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 31 17:28:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86944 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 01:28:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 01:28:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52208.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.131) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 01:28:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 64475 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jan 2007 01:27:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20070101012754.64473.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: mHFJ_jgVM1lzTIMf2fI95OmeMfqNwg_sWRbaChzs5771FZbrqHWZyizd2ayMy2peL5lARhovCSTNietTPz7r.UWt2uZvK.09JMGJwzy7sY2SCK.mk9deN1jOdeNcaxro6Zt1tTDxtxzGSFY- Received: from [12.76.217.84] by web52208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:27:54 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:27:54 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <481697.46356.qm@web56802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: RCA BTA 1R series X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=YHOIWNjqwUiBkyfLDWqaq4qrkStjRw6aoc8y1nAb_-A X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Harold Richards wrote: > > Personal or a commercial station's? The BTA1R > series were great boxes. > > ...Harold It's his personal unit. WKDK's is now retired to standby, main duty by a new BE. Powell NNNN! From amfmtech@yahoo.com Sun Dec 31 17:34:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46910 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 01:34:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 01:34:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56813.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.87) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 01:34:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 4779 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jan 2007 01:34:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HaXjEAUVM1kfOYFXqJhyyy3ZqGYdo8SOGZBLPTK61Qq_atuCGS6LomOIGsR5FdzHIX4f1jruufXLdS5_gZ3T6a9mXQYar9ZrORfNgdU.nr.1yVdbb7R8en7WV_GxSYq02ogOUEdqKNX0YXc- Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56813.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:34:34 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:34:34 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <481697.46356.qm@web56802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <291257.4107.qm@web56813.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.87 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Accurian HD/CQuam Receiver X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=-DB3R8Y6SpPO8-A3F13Tk59vqP4QFkZM89VdvTi9CAtTK08 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What is the stock number of the Accurian radio that is suppose to receive both IBOC and CQUAM. How does the radio sound on mono/analogue broadcasts? If I tune to a music station like CKWW 580 in Windsor, or AM740 in Toronto, will the quality of the mono transmission be better than a GE Super Radio III or a Radio Shack 12-603? If it's a sure thing that it can decode I might be tempted to put down the money for it. ...Harold __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rjskadl@yahoo.com Sun Dec 31 17:35:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52232 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 01:35:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 01:35:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.59) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 01:35:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2007 01:35:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2007 01:35:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 01:35:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.195.112.206 From: "RJSKADL" Subject: Accurian C-Quam X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919; y=G_-VjwwH6beBbI4eSkSCRAQJXmCGDpTAAMg64mUTAGBaXQ X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl Well, I'm glad that someone got definitive AM Stereo out of their=20 Accurian. I have been trying WICC from Bridgeport and have gotten=20 Zip. My real AM Stereo radios were able to get stereo from WICC, but=20 all I got from WICC was solid MONO. Maybe its like the FM and blends=20 to mono if the station is too far away. I will have to make friends=20 with someone on the north shore or in Connecticut and bring my=20 Accurian along to see if it will do C-Quam in close proximity, but I=20 am still discouraged because Mike got WREF from low signal and far=20 away, and my signal of WICC was much better and still a whole lot of=20 nothing. I'm thinking that maybe some Accurian radios can and some=20 can't?=20=20 I find this very frustrating. The messed up part is that I am=20 frazzled over the fact that a radio I bought won't do what I had no=20 idea it could do when I bought it. Its a bit silly really.=20=20 Happy New Year Everyone.=20=20 From amfmtech@yahoo.com Sun Dec 31 17:43:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56469 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 01:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 01:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56809.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 01:43:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 853 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jan 2007 01:43:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20070101014328.851.qmail@web56809.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 8N_AE9wVM1lrCYtsrNwvyMt6TprTlJT3.sqjAo6v6xoCj8qim8b31Jho9tBZiZqL1Y1ccq9ONSKop5lwAtESi0k4twRk9hMSZm1uEAr5fABM6X_b_3_VfcyOtwVPgSVcba4NvuIPmdCwXGQ- Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56809.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:43:28 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:43:28 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20070101012754.64473.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} RCA BTA 1R series X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=nItm5uT7VAds85u9Vkro1kCoUtJGD3d4iBxvNUQZH5vWBAE X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That is really neet. I would love to have a transmitter like that but my wife and I alternate between two residences so it would not be practical. I had a chance to get a Harris MW-5A for removal only, but I just couldn't swing it. A ham in Detroit got it. I will have to settle on my LPB 6B with a CBS Volumax. :) Hopefully a friend of mine finishes his triband processor kit he is designing ...Harold "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: --- Harold Richards wrote: > > Personal or a commercial station's? The BTA1R > series were great boxes. > > ...Harold It's his personal unit. WKDK's is now retired to standby, main duty by a new BE. Powell NNNN! Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 31 17:54:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58143 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 01:48:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 01:48:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52213.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.136) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 01:48:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 91189 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jan 2007 01:47:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20070101014715.91187.qmail@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 3raA.oMVM1kmhD5ajczjbpPQqhNI.ISM80H9Hc1Mf55TF1u7cv2QD7csqtRoqrREHxX7aNw1.TsDCxafC32tly23TEKJRFlw1i3.U7pXspNun7tzvwLYiLnCUvq9OdTLpZC78sBOhdRgNoA- Received: from [12.76.217.84] by web52213.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:47:15 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:47:15 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <291257.4107.qm@web56813.mail.re3.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Accurian HD/CQuam Receiver X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=k-ie5L6oKI78cvssZF25kgxmKvFrPhuJTlJt3Vjzbcc X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Harold Richards wrote: > > What is the stock number of the Accurian radio > that is suppose to receive both IBOC and CQUAM. It says 12-1686 on the box on the floor next to me. > How does the radio sound on mono/analogue > broadcasts? If I tune to a music station like CKWW > 580 in Windsor, or AM740 in Toronto, will the > quality of the mono transmission be better than a GE > Super Radio III or a Radio Shack 12-603? No, more like a CC radio. > If it's a sure thing that it can decode I might be > tempted to put down the money for it. > > ...Harold It does have an excellent tuner, however. I just wish CC would put some HD2's on their Greenville Spartanburg market 100KW FM blowtorches. Powell Powell NNNN! From amfmtech@yahoo.com Sun Dec 31 17:56:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42043 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 01:43:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 01:43:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56808.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.82) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 01:43:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 59172 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jan 2007 01:43:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Bv4Yud0VM1le8CmC4lp4bNEcE1eEqvXR_wgEDpLdK0NwTwl0vE4xCcBNX1g7ihwS2veOg98B_bOubQsuZqnbnkw8EWKOqW5OClfhXGpEWDZ.n9dN1KEDMib.MfA8euMvslmBiBw6FCWpvkI- Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56808.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:43:29 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:43:29 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20070101012754.64473.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <143296.58638.qm@web56808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} RCA BTA 1R series X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=Vh9TEJr43RyPX29AOVFqVXmJm1GEZGCSCFs3tXZ4vArOn-4 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That is really neet. I would love to have a transmitter like that but my wife and I alternate between two residences so it would not be practical. I had a chance to get a Harris MW-5A for removal only, but I just couldn't swing it. A ham in Detroit got it. I will have to settle on my LPB 6B with a CBS Volumax. :) Hopefully a friend of mine finishes his triband processor kit he is designing ...Harold "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: --- Harold Richards wrote: > > Personal or a commercial station's? The BTA1R > series were great boxes. > > ...Harold It's his personal unit. WKDK's is now retired to standby, main duty by a new BE. Powell NNNN! Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmtech@yahoo.com Sun Dec 31 18:10:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13232 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 02:04:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 02:04:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56808.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.82) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 02:04:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 64924 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jan 2007 02:03:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 6gDpv6MVM1lApexKqx5wQQjYX5hEoNiEgyqHisrY3EgWoZ9N3_hxjfrcc0u6PJ6ogWpSe8Ov9g1MUMKt6LNOOwl5csWtDSO5qXorMOVBkfBWwy_vBdcbIgcXEYKPlQJLPfZ_axWMXs6S0ms- Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56808.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:03:56 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:03:56 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20070101014715.91187.qmail@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <225287.64249.qm@web56808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Accurian HD/CQuam Receiver X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=xZpxo7pZQgID4ERwNjza_Awegfw6_JMaO-6wt_6EBz-icb0 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You said it was like a CC Radio. Does that mean the receiver is fairly sensitive or selective? It would obviously not be up to par with a Sony ICF2010, but would you consider it better than your common table radio? ...Harold "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: --- Harold Richards wrote: > > What is the stock number of the Accurian radio > that is suppose to receive both IBOC and CQUAM. It says 12-1686 on the box on the floor next to me. > How does the radio sound on mono/analogue > broadcasts? If I tune to a music station like CKWW > 580 in Windsor, or AM740 in Toronto, will the > quality of the mono transmission be better than a GE > Super Radio III or a Radio Shack 12-603? No, more like a CC radio. > If it's a sure thing that it can decode I might be > tempted to put down the money for it. > > ...Harold It does have an excellent tuner, however. I just wish CC would put some HD2's on their Greenville Spartanburg market 100KW FM blowtorches. Powell Powell NNNN! Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Dec 31 18:20:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77581 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 02:11:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 02:11:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 02:11:31 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.221.2]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 142542278 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 20:11:27 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <016601c72d4a$b3e1d4a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20061231232947.11398.qmail@web56807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <01a301c72d35$12b97890$a0695b04@PossumHunter> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 20:15:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 4, First 3, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.221.2 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=BKtwPs3NCy3187G6NAJkl5ME75ZDQrRFT-NPz5OG7nSk0-0ob9Da X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude And I've also got a Collins 820E1, BTA 5G and 10U... ya wanna talk big iron? :) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > Harold Richards wrote: > >I wasn't going to say it, but I have an LPB 6B transmitter, so I share your > >interest. > > I got you beat! I have an RCA BTA1-R1 with fresh tubes! LOL From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Dec 31 18:21:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98368 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 02:21:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 02:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 02:21:01 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.221.2]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 143227434 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 20:19:13 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <019401c72d4b$ca06f840$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <143296.58638.qm@web56808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 20:23:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.221.2 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RCA BTA 1R series X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=EF_6-mYmaS9_VaN3jZjXvz3Lb4pZt_CARHkPvRd4blYRutBMwdb9 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You're not constantly moving all or most of your stuff between residences? Perhaps you could get one for each garage and play with it when you're there. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Richards" > > That is really neet. I would love to have a transmitter like that but my wife and I alternate between two residences so it would not be practical. > > I had a chance to get a Harris MW-5A for removal only, but I just couldn't swing it. A ham in Detroit got it. > > I will have to settle on my LPB 6B with a CBS Volumax. :) Hopefully a friend of mine finishes his triband processor kit he is designing > From w6yn@juno.com Sun Dec 31 18:22:49 2006 X-Deleted-Message: yes From wnmb@sc.rr.com Sun Dec 31 18:25:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59168 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 02:25:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 02:25:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 02:25:41 -0000 Received: from D333DQ61 (cpe-024-211-081-090.sc.res.rr.com [24.211.81.90]) by ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l010C2hM015757 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:12:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002901c72d39$7694fd90$6701a8c0@D333DQ61> To: References: Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:12:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "WNMB" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The REAL definition of "HD" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=SGYWznpKMbr416zK1Be3Q6PCyumShftCx69YJUK1Q8DNpg X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeff, Get in touch with Delta electronics and get yourself an exciter and a mod monitor. Call Orban and get one of the Optimods (they have a new one which will do c-quam stereo or hd). Put in your audio chain and enjoy!!!! If you are already stereo everywhere else you can do the whole project for under 20k. Bill wnmb north myrtle beach www.wnmb.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Raynor To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 5:45 PM Subject: {AMSF} The REAL definition of "HD" I've only posted once, and I don't to be an expert at anything. I'm just one lowly poor little guy who runs an AM station in the country. I don't like the idea of the "digital thing", but I'd love to have my station in stereo. I worked at a stereo AM as a fill-in one weekend and I must say I was soooo impressed with how it sounded thru the mod- monitor and in my headphones. That station was 790-AM WTAR in Norfolk, VA back in the late 80's when they were running a music format. Music on Scotch carts thru an Auditronics console. Sounded awesome... but I digress. It would seem by reading the last batch of posts in the group, that the absolute true definition of "HD" would be "Hotly Debated". It really doens't matter to me. I'll not do it unless told to do so by an FCC man with a big stick in both hands. Oh.. and after my last post, someone asked me if I was in stereo... no, but wish I was. My entire music library is in stereo--as is my console (Auditronics 210). Guess I'd need to have a stereo processor and whatever else it would take to put it in stereo. If anyone wants to educate me personally, and not in a post, feel free to contact me. By the way, my station is on 1600kHz in southwest Virginia. We run Classic Country (and Southern Gospel on Sunday in-between the preachers). Thanks for indulging me. I couldn't resist. Jeff Raynor WXMY-AM Saltville, VA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.0/610 - Release Date: 12/30/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Dec 31 18:41:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36396 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 02:38:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 02:38:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 02:38:50 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.221.2]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 142543733 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 20:34:28 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <01ac01c72d4d$eaf365a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <851247.15620.qm@web56808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 20:38:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 3, in=3, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.221.2 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=RzE5jpn6KrnskoiMMuokSFS0tYQe3x6Z2WtzaCjgLL8udXLfQpEF X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I've got all the files of the original on old fashioned diskettes plus I was able to find my hard copy of the lite so I can compare your file to those. The chip I referred to as a ua733CN (this is in my Alfredo lite) was originally an NE592. I suspect they're nearly identical chips. Anything else you need to know, just holler. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Richards" > Scott, could I send you a GIF image off list? I imported the schematic into MS Paint and relabled the chips so it can be better read. Could you check me to make sure I've got them correct on the diagram. > > I may call in a favor from a friend who makes PC boards and see if one of these stereo generators can be married up to a triband processor he built for an FM transmitter. > > ...Harold > > Scott Todd wrote: > I'm building one of the original Alfredo boards to serve as both a > standalone AM stereo transmitter AND exciter. The chips you are interested > in are NE602s, though you'll still need the following stage, the ua733CN > first envelope modulator, and take the signal across those two diodes > between the 470pf caps. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harold Richards" > > > > Thank you! I appreciate the link. Do you happen to know what the numbers > are of the two chips in the encoding side? > > > > Has anyone made just the encoder portion of this and connected it to > another exciter or transmitter? I am curious if you could use this on one > of those commercially built TIS transmitters by Radio Systems, or an HF rig. > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 31 18:50:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11231 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 02:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 02:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52212.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.135) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 02:47:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 51261 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jan 2007 02:47:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4i__kVoVM1lzLUVT0OXKDzAzgT3ROswfO6gymyU0yCc3Xdhbxhmr0c770bbd6AIiYzsbpvW20_fmGLFOOprVgavKEHbclo8x13.EqPRUuVOTwRVVx56fEQ-- Received: from [12.76.217.111] by web52212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:47:01 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:47:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <225287.64249.qm@web56808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <233574.49855.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Accurian HD/CQuam Receiver X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=uD9xNK-YzfM-IkROIxn-OLPrcLetC78HANsKi9bsuN8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Harold Richards wrote: > > You said it was like a CC Radio. Does that mean > the receiver is fairly sensitive or selective? Yes, the FM is way better than the CC radio. It doesn't have very wide audio. > It would obviously not be up to par with a Sony > ICF2010, but would you consider it better than your > common table radio? Yes. It's way better than the FM on the 2010, but not the MW part. Powell NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 31 18:51:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52460 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 02:51:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 02:51:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52212.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.135) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 02:51:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 52270 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jan 2007 02:50:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .ZyZlLgVM1nkoP_cGKTOodrotQkvOU33MpDT5f54MrW6SHjLX2FUxQ3TvLTkFjHucAA26iAkJn0instAgYLPfOcN38klL6pf5MgY0WbJA4w6r3EEt0.KhIhCTQgNJ1jkso8perTpQzNXEHQ- Received: from [12.76.217.111] by web52212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:50:17 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:50:17 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <016601c72d4a$b3e1d4a0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <51603.50786.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=VqgGGP0nN9b3jQ7sRBLVoEikNovBhRFrzWMtgDi9lVs X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Scott Todd wrote: > And I've also got a Collins 820E1, BTA 5G and 10U... > ya wanna talk big > iron? :) > Scott Todd At home? Powell NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 31 18:55:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86228 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 02:49:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 02:49:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52201.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.124) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 02:49:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 97992 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jan 2007 02:49:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Kbt2acMVM1mZzgagV2xsHcwZcDuTICObFtUDqheGQihVG2dG_qu8cfSDIiCnK4CPOfiCzQCHw3Hy38glYqQxlOh7CD6Pj591rWKuBzbaM8WZ5QhBqapjgK3LRGiNYi4DQchMJ90Nh0QC958- Received: from [12.76.217.111] by web52201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:49:38 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:49:38 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20061231.181212.876.2.w6yn@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <166062.96178.qm@web52201.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.124 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Accurian HD/CQuam Receiver X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=fq0aQTABDT2B4LA2pKCqBAz_dhCNFhKTABU0Yc-3wW0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > What are you doing, why are you on the floor? LOL! The box is on the floor next to my feet. The radio, however is in Silverstreet, SC 60 miles from me. Powell NNNN! From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Dec 31 19:04:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65912 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 02:59:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 02:59:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 02:59:29 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.221.2]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 143229602 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 20:59:26 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <01c601c72d51$67af6fa0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <002901c72d39$7694fd90$6701a8c0@D333DQ61> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 21:03:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.221.2 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The REAL definition of "HD" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=l-_6k09vnW9VJUz5O43BgFN60MOnBWHkfuJJZYPA3kXutpN_VWkP X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude 20 bills can be a lot for many small town broadcasters. I wasn't sure I wanted to do this, since I was hoping to get enough CQUAM stuff to do my own little quasi-pirate (just feeding a dummy load). Actually I have most of what I need, just that I haven't had the time nor resources to refurbish what I have. I've got a CRL SMP900, and a few different exciters to choose from- a pair of Motorola 1300s, a 1400, a BE, and a BE mod monitor. It's all old enough that anything I send will need the electrolytics replaced and then they'll have to be sent to someone like Mike Patton for alignment/adjustment. He can do the caps too, but that about doubles the cost. For audio processing you could use a standard set of FM type limiters before the CRL; the CRL does the matrix processing and prevents single channel modulation. I suspect if he can do the caps that the parts total will be less than $100 easily. Having Mike Patton do the other work would be $750-1000, considerably less than for all new equipment. If he could afford a new mod monitor and the rest provided by me, I'd feel even better about it, because I'd hate to give up the only CQUAM monitor I have, but it's all available to Jeff if he wants it. Contact me off list. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "WNMB" > Jeff, > > Get in touch with Delta electronics and get yourself an exciter and a mod monitor. Call Orban and get one of the Optimods (they have a new one which will do c-quam stereo or hd). Put in your audio chain and enjoy!!!! > If you are already stereo everywhere else you can do the whole project for under 20k. > Bill > wnmb > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jeff Raynor > > > I've only posted once, and I don't to be an expert at anything. I'm > just one lowly poor little guy who runs an AM station in the country. > > I don't like the idea of the "digital thing", but I'd love to have my > station in stereo. I worked at a stereo AM as a fill-in one weekend > and I must say I was soooo impressed with how it sounded thru the mod- > monitor and in my headphones. That station was 790-AM WTAR in > Norfolk, VA back in the late 80's when they were running a music > format. Music on Scotch carts thru an Auditronics console. Sounded > awesome... but I digress. > > It would seem by reading the last batch of posts in the group, that > the absolute true definition of "HD" would be "Hotly Debated". It > really doens't matter to me. I'll not do it unless told to do so by > an FCC man with a big stick in both hands. > > Oh.. and after my last post, someone asked me if I was in stereo... > no, but wish I was. My entire music library is in stereo--as is my > console (Auditronics 210). Guess I'd need to have a stereo processor > and whatever else it would take to put it in stereo. If anyone wants > to educate me personally, and not in a post, feel free to contact me. > > By the way, my station is on 1600kHz in southwest Virginia. We run > Classic Country (and Southern Gospel on Sunday in-between the > preachers). > > Thanks for indulging me. I couldn't resist. > > Jeff Raynor > WXMY-AM > Saltville, VA > > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Dec 31 19:27:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25588 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 03:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 03:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 03:14:36 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.221.2]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 141033100 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 21:14:34 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <01d801c72d53$850b6340$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <51603.50786.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 21:18:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.221.2 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=16u07-kybNAV2JXWjSu0WK9Gi0-fMyVVNwNo0IyONJk2hXkuoTvx X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Yep. Almost got too many. Thing is, the hams want the smaller stuff, 1kW and under. While I've got a few of those, I've taken on the bigger stuff because it's available (as in the hams don't want it and/or they're too old for the used equipment market) and I had (stress on the past tense these days!) the room to store them. The 5G I got out of the ex WOW in Omaha because I didn't want to see such a historic transmitter get killed. The 10U came out of a previous job at KSTP. Put the thing on the air a time or two when I worked there. Hoping to get a concrete pad in front of my storage building so I can roll these out for a good cleaning and then put them back together. What I really need now is an old generator, preferably three phase, to power this stuff. As long as the alternator is good the engine can be shot. It isn't hard to adapt another motor or get the original rebuilt. I guess a box full of heavy duty casters to put under these rigs wouldn't be far behind on the wish list. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > > --- Scott Todd wrote: > > > And I've also got a Collins 820E1, BTA 5G and 10U... > > ya wanna talk big > > iron? :) > > > Scott Todd > > At home? > > > Powell From groucho@skyweb.net Sun Dec 31 19:37:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67382 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 03:22:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 03:22:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 03:22:14 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.45] (pool-151-198-14-191.mad.east.verizon.net [151.198.14.191]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l013L4vt000186 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 22:21:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <45987E5E.7070004@skyweb.net> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 22:22:06 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <002901c72d39$7694fd90$6701a8c0@D333DQ61> In-Reply-To: <002901c72d39$7694fd90$6701a8c0@D333DQ61> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 66.6.128.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} The REAL definition of "HD" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145; y=vaHdSclVjTI73hi16TfrSEQC2zAhKBu8M0w8cEGD9tR8Mw X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 OK my turn to Chime in here.. come on Guys Lets face it we all know what the HD stands for. just another spin by ibiquity.... and you can never agrue this with me and think you have the Correct answer HD is and will always Mean HARLEY-DAVIDSON. the only true HD in the world... Now its almost 2007 and your about to Enter the NEWMAN ZONE......... the Year is 2020 your in another Time zone.. Everything is the same but named different... All-state insurance is NO state insurance.. Broadcast Electronics is Now Transmitters are us. The US Post office is called Send a Letter here.. UPS is called Unnamed Political source FedEx is the company for retired Postal workers( Mental hospital) and Harley-Davidson is called Schwartz and Schapiro... Just picture pulling up to the Office and the receptionist says" WOW thats a really nice Schwartz you have there" her next statement is" can I get a ride On your Schwarts..... who am I to argue.. and reply back " Sure you can ride my schwartz anytime" BTW I dont drink. but Im stuck home tonight with the 2 kids, and no car, nowhere to go tonight. so I say to all In here drive Safe. and may the Schwartz be with you all... Happy New Year Im going to Bed early see yall Next year... From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Dec 31 19:44:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97647 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 03:41:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 03:41:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 03:41:31 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.221.2]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 141034571 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 21:41:29 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <026601c72d57$47597c40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <002901c72d39$7694fd90$6701a8c0@D333DQ61> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 21:45:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.221.2 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The REAL definition of "HD" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=dy3rgMZp9JRV-8pWyGivTVE3Kdhi1w5T2vlRY2RuXAdS6R1UmFD6 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Or he could watch ebay for some equipment. Likely he could save a bundle doing some of the refurbishing himself. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "WNMB" > Jeff, > > Get in touch with Delta electronics and get yourself an exciter and a mod monitor. Call Orban and get one of the Optimods (they have a new one which will do c-quam stereo or hd). Put in your audio chain and enjoy!!!! > If you are already stereo everywhere else you can do the whole project for under 20k. From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Dec 31 19:53:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99961 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 03:40:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 03:40:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 03:40:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 31303 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jan 2007 03:40:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dQWgx5kVM1k8hJDEeqJunTf9_J8zc6Z5ZiZ7p7vW1i6aEfHeahaJQwAvKUcIutp_PQg0ufV6SyQPoXfC5IRhFy3zQ_Vfa8.OYY89RlZeZIuU8OZyVW6EGTnYHtYHVBntT0vIWMZMJFV.lHERah5lQT67TIU4KNlF62czouFOJ7QVeAh1k6H42Q-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:40:30 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:40:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <817133.66178.qm@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <319384.30502.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} The end of analog X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=baGsi_04naiPiYQMVMyIGIZvouBSjrwrRqMJRXPcIazHUjAjYdC_ X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I still stand by my thoughts on digital versus analog. I just don't think that HD will ever sound as good as a properly received FM stereo station that isn't overprocessed. For me to be "onboard" i'd want the thing to sound at minimal the bit rate of current red book CDs. That is 1142 kbps bit rates, none of this 128, 192, or 384 beacause none of those reach the resolution of a CD. Just look at the difference in bit rate. If they aren't willing to at least get it up to somewhere around that then I say just stick with analog transmissions. I can support something new if it is in fact better however all the literature you read on it suggests otherwise. Someone had asked me if I had heard it the answer is no and I don't have to. I know the difference in bit rates and recordings as I can do that with my computer and software I have on it. It wouldn't make sense for me to go out and buy something new "just to hear it". That is a waste when you can read up on it and know otherwise. I always read up on things before I make a purchase. So far I have always been right in my assesments of things prior to purchasing. The times I've listened to the logic of this forum on "just go buy it", I was always disappointed. I still do not see anything wrong with analog transmissions and I think it could be further enhanced from what it currently is without going digital. For one with digital you either get it or you don't, theres no slight signal. With analog it may be a distant signal and noisy but you can get something at least. It's the same with DAT machines and I know this because I own one. When there is a dropout on the tape it's zero, zilch, nothing. With analog it's usually just faded but there is still some signal. I say this to you. Pick some song, doesn't matter what it is. Listen to it on your best HD radio from your best HD station. Then compare it with a CD recording of the same song at home. Which is best? It is the same with analog as well. My point in totality is that radio when it comes down to it is radio, it isn't a CD. The only way I want things to change is IF radio morphs into something similar in quality to the CD at bare minimum. If it doesn't then why change, why waste money on something that isn't really slightly better and in some cases worse? Yes if you were building a station from the ground up it would be stupid to say go with an optimod 9100 versus that 9400 with the HD on it. Mind you it does still preserve the CQUAM mode. If it is a LOT better than the best FM with more reception range than is currently available then I say go for it. I just don't see that happening, at least not now. As for the HD arguement I still stand by my comment that it is most logically Hyrbrid Digital because that is the mode that it currently is mostly being used for. I think perhaps it would have more appropriately been called simply "Digital Radio". --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > The end of analog transmission mode (AM) on the MW > band is seriously being discussed and considered in > Great Britain, with the FM band to follow. > > There's been whisperings of it over in the United > States. For IBOC to succeed analog has to be turned > off, sooner than later. Any long dragging out of > analog and digital on the same band kills radio for > both. How many stations on our AM band will go away > once IBOC gets night authorization shortly..... > > > > Powell > > NNNN! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Dec 31 20:08:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9245 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 03:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 03:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.152) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 03:46:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 37959 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jan 2007 03:46:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MJgpOl0VM1mncXtJ4BhCl11QOQMG52.OA_.VtcDyvpSjuQcz99_QufSYJlPdlOUcwsYg7nhCMJUkZCOQbRvnkEitqN4.Yray9oej5YXKiPTSZ1itQqBS90tRgU1sVSDtgU23ccs5.YU- Received: from [72.240.139.231] by web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:46:41 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:46:41 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <487333.37956.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Let's Get AM Stereo on the air in SW Virginia!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=SZ6wA3wpWBqrs29pnSN5MxKYgE4eS4N2rD4yNw6rcM_JERlSY9ikPqA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Jeff wrote: "By the way, my station is on 1600kHz in southwest Virginia. We run Classic Country (and Southern Gospel on Sunday in-between the preachers). Thanks for indulging me. I couldn't resist. Jeff Raynor WXMY-AM Saltville, VA" Hi Jeff - WELCOME to the AM STEREO Group - we're unsually on target, and please don't judge us based on the flame war of the past 2 days. We would love to help you get AM Stereo on your station. In fact, we had a list member who added AM Stereo to his Classic Country station out in Wyoming! He had a old tube transmitter, and got it sounding pretty decent. The 60's country tunes with their wide stereo sound extremely nice in AMSt. Jeff, how much of your audio chain is currently in stereo, and is the studio co-located with the transmitter (which makes it much easier to go to stereo)? Let us know. Happy New Year, John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Dec 31 20:24:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94348 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 04:21:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 04:21:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 04:21:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 52501 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jan 2007 04:21:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20070101042143.52499.qmail@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 3Vr0Kv8VM1ksVzFa_EpmagBzeJc9SZKnRN3tBU7pnBZoKPc5rpbsRww69oQ2QKsAsAq.UAQfhCQ363VMDl_0WFyiJFlJdjKy4fRwq6Q0lBLi_HOgfazH8NgxSNCaSNUt4ftci.MN Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 20:21:43 PST Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 20:21:43 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <487333.37956.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Let's Get AM Stereo on the air in SW Virginia!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=suq4qN_xOEXF8tyHHfr1Ir56ShvIMMLcIQ8PGzrZcJ4Rry3lEKg2 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Yeah perhaps someone could go through what all this gentleman needs to get it up and running. Start from ground up on what all is needed. Maybe someone could even do a chart of some kind showing what all should go in a properly setup audio chain/transmitter, etc the whole kitten kaboodle! Would be nice if someone did that to show what a brand new from the ground up AM Stereo station should look like. --- "John P." wrote: > Jeff wrote: "By the way, my station is on 1600kHz in > southwest > Virginia. We run Classic Country (and Southern > Gospel on Sunday > in-between the preachers). Thanks for indulging me. > I couldn't resist. > Jeff Raynor > WXMY-AM > Saltville, VA" > > Hi Jeff - WELCOME to the AM STEREO Group - we're > unsually on target, > and please don't judge us based on the flame war of > the past 2 days. > We would love to help you get AM Stereo on your > station. In fact, we > had a list member who added AM Stereo to his Classic > Country station > out in Wyoming! He had a old tube transmitter, and > got it sounding > pretty decent. The 60's country tunes with their > wide stereo sound > extremely nice in AMSt. > Jeff, how much of your audio chain is currently in > stereo, and is the > studio co-located with the transmitter (which makes > it much easier to > go to stereo)? Let us know. > Happy New Year, > John > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Dec 31 20:38:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71631 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 04:28:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 04:28:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.102) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 04:28:06 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n9.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2007 04:27:54 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2007 04:27:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2007 04:27:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 04:27:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <487333.37956.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.153.79.130 From: "Juan" Subject: Re: Let's Get AM Stereo on the air in SW Virginia!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=wzN0GcM5AMhImcz90Mr4uYwhsyTF-icIFojkVCsYtK0_M90 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Jeff, If I can help in any way, let me know. AM Stereo was added at my former employer in Iowa, just by bribing=20 the engineer with lunch, and helping him do the work. In that case it=20 was easy, it was already AM Stereo at one time but had been turned of=20 a few years ago. You are obviously a different case, but you have to=20 start somewhere. Tell us the details, and there are plenty here who can help somehow. Juan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > Jeff wrote: "By the way, my station is on 1600kHz in southwest > Virginia. We run Classic Country (and Southern Gospel on Sunday > in-between the preachers). Thanks for indulging me. I couldn't=20 resist. > Jeff Raynor > WXMY-AM > Saltville, VA" >=20 > Hi Jeff - WELCOME to the AM STEREO Group - we're unsually on target, > and please don't judge us based on the flame war of the past 2 days. > We would love to help you get AM Stereo on your station. In fact,=20 we > had a list member who added AM Stereo to his Classic Country station > out in Wyoming! He had a old tube transmitter, and got it sounding > pretty decent. The 60's country tunes with their wide stereo sound > extremely nice in AMSt.=20=20 > Jeff, how much of your audio chain is currently in stereo, and is=20 the > studio co-located with the transmitter (which makes it much easier=20 to > go to stereo)? Let us know. > Happy New Year, > John >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com > From amfmtech@yahoo.com Mon Jan 01 05:29:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51333 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 13:24:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 13:24:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56802.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.76) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 13:24:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 48412 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jan 2007 13:24:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Dr0KvjcVM1mGxzx49pQjs_t5i7k5JNyn6weyFk4JNI6cTuTqRHXRLVX9salZ6IpT6AWva46v2oju9j_PfVwvthd3ERRRS8SFEKd3MPTT7aVgh9O5DxMEXEdDpaJA3Vg1D3okuMeVDfHfCJQ- Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56802.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 05:24:51 PST Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 05:24:51 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <016601c72d4a$b3e1d4a0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <206613.47906.qm@web56802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.76 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=MM90q1tPG0XZLSDG7UWW6j3R9YASynfidCCcCnIjJIXO2RU X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wonder if anyone has a BTA-50G or BHF-100A? I think it would be fun to build an Ampliphase style transmitter. The one we had at WJBK had excellent audio quality. The weakest link was the BA-6B compressor amplifiers. ...Harold Scott Todd wrote: And I've also got a Collins 820E1, BTA 5G and 10U... ya wanna talk big iron? :) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > Harold Richards wrote: > >I wasn't going to say it, but I have an LPB 6B transmitter, so I share your > >interest. > > I got you beat! I have an RCA BTA1-R1 with fresh tubes! LOL Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmtech@yahoo.com Mon Jan 01 05:38:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77158 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 13:35:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 13:35:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56813.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 13:35:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 6538 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jan 2007 13:35:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zp4.k8wVM1kLcwvu.XxYZu8fEo1lVcKZ.zkW60n1 Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56813.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 05:35:20 PST Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 05:35:20 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <019401c72d4b$ca06f840$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <172271.6185.qm@web56813.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.87 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} RCA BTA 1R series X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=sPY9CDk4MiJcVKa2CuMLKzkfx5tA4FvsyllqeLenNJp22IY X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We have home in upper Michigan, and come to the Detroit subs in the winter to be close to my daughter and her family. We will head back north around mid March, perhaps earlier depending on how hard the weather is. Small items like radio receivers, and bread board kits can go in the SUV. I can bring some stuff with us, but taking large items would be real hard. Furniture and appliances have to stay put. Any big items, such as transmitters, would have to be in upper Michigan since I don't have the room here. Up north we have the space. The con to radio operation up north is that the weather is not too kind to outside antennas. My SWL antenna is 10(g) due to the weather breaking the wire in excess of 10 meters. Winds off Lake Superior can be in excess of 60 miles per hour. ...Harold Scott Todd wrote: You're not constantly moving all or most of your stuff between residences? Perhaps you could get one for each garage and play with it when you're there. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Richards" > > That is really neet. I would love to have a transmitter like that but my wife and I alternate between two residences so it would not be practical. > > I had a chance to get a Harris MW-5A for removal only, but I just couldn't swing it. A ham in Detroit got it. > > I will have to settle on my LPB 6B with a CBS Volumax. :) Hopefully a friend of mine finishes his triband processor kit he is designing > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmtech@yahoo.com Mon Jan 01 06:06:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52935 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 13:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 13:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56810.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.84) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 13:56:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 95000 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jan 2007 13:55:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7Wq9d8kVM1nzo4e.9p0Fz3fRw_klu8TjVykiXYLo Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56810.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 05:55:30 PST Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 05:55:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <233574.49855.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <413480.94988.qm@web56810.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.84 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Accurian HD/CQuam Receiver X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=_yHm-nc-2dxWY-dWean9rNVYC38O5Ut6QdbYzL9bw_r6jfU X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm sorry to hear that the AM is not that good. If it had the sensitivity and selectivity equal to the GE Super Radio III there would be a good chance I would buy it. Has anyone had any success in adding an external antenna port on the radio so you can connect up a loop or longwire antenna? ...Harold "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: --- Harold Richards wrote: > > You said it was like a CC Radio. Does that mean > the receiver is fairly sensitive or selective? Yes, the FM is way better than the CC radio. It doesn't have very wide audio. > It would obviously not be up to par with a Sony > ICF2010, but would you consider it better than your > common table radio? Yes. It's way better than the FM on the 2010, but not the MW part. Powell NNNN! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jan 01 06:59:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78241 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 14:53:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 14:53:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52215.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.138) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 14:53:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 26668 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jan 2007 14:53:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0HPjovcVM1lDG4i4KcVCbW1rWglS293W7KQJOaUlxuKfWiLrRAcNyJ1kHua2LASwqLBpVXixXokeMRgfZ0lBYOdbeQe5HW54.UNLC6R4lpvjAkfMLA26jG77Cpjpm8NxSrRydV9xXqt3iQ4- Received: from [12.76.217.204] by web52215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 06:53:24 PST Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 06:53:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <413480.94988.qm@web56810.mail.re3.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <686648.26605.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Accurian HD/CQuam Receiver X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=f3QmjH0rz5-upfsnJiLdANuSiuMmz9_Yh6wUD11ys_g X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Harold Richards wrote: > > I'm sorry to hear that the AM is not that good. > > If it had the sensitivity and selectivity equal to > the GE Super Radio III there would be a good chance > I would buy it. Selectivity yes, but sensitivity, I do not know. > Has anyone had any success in adding an external > antenna port on the radio so you can connect up a > loop or longwire antenna? > > ...Harold It comes with a loop and the loop has a moderately long wire. When used with the Terk tuneable loop it's quite good. WKBW, althoughy weak is listenable with WLAC pounding on the lower side and WCKY pounding on the upper side. Powell NNNN! From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Jan 01 08:22:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2410 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 16:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 16:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 16:11:08 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.70.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.70] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H1Pkg-0002ih-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 11:11:07 -0500 Message-ID: <021b01c72dbf$7167f3f0$466c5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <20070101012754.64473.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 11:11:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RCA BTA 1R series X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=lEDOsiDrrszLiYIRoV9zgSyrcZ19Dg7UXAtV_-YOHFBZiZZy2_7IkeobZO9hFA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Harold Richards wrote: >Personal or a commercial station's? The BTA1R series were great boxes. Personal. You see I got the transmitter to fix up and sell to make a few bucks. Well, As I did a no screw unturned restoration, I fell in love with the beast. I re-Tubed it with all RCA NOS tubes but put in Eimac 4-400Cs in the modualtors and finals. It is a LOUD transmitter. Perhaps one day it will end up on 160 Meters, or I will get me a commercial station to use it on. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jan 01 08:33:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86123 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 16:33:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 16:33:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52214.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.137) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 16:33:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 8431 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jan 2007 16:32:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Ly2xttgVM1kna24HcbAYEWuDi0MubL1uir0uYWPLX7bIV9YAJrIzdcvcuxqUjSw0WEop9Emopuuo8ucce9QhwJGrIVTCgmCBsc1gIPNIoMHi.7j1X7CA5lPJIvaEiVRaqz9jPYWOrCEsUx4- Received: from [12.76.217.127] by web52214.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 08:32:28 PST Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 08:32:28 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <021b01c72dbf$7167f3f0$466c5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <456024.8426.qm@web52214.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} RCA BTA 1R series X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=5wVb35PuUldM5KUNaP0b6jrBA8Sjxmyyd616MzAdZLA X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Harold Richards wrote: > >Personal or a commercial station's? The BTA1R > series were great boxes. > > Personal. You see I got the transmitter to fix up > and sell to make a few > bucks. Well, As I did a no screw unturned > restoration, I fell in love with > the beast. I re-Tubed it with all RCA NOS tubes but > put in Eimac 4-400Cs in > the modualtors and finals. The 1R1 and 1R2 ate 4-400C's in modulator service. RCA issued a bulletin to modify for that, and it also was for 125% + peaks, so I assume you did that mod. > It is a LOUD transmitter. It can be. WKDK retired theirs as new 4-400's are expensive, and the BE is loud and clean, and there was a major drop in power bill. > Perhaps one day it will > end up on 160 Meters, or I will get me a commercial > station to use it on. For HF contact Bill, N2BC. He restored one, and put it on HF. I gave him a bit of help on that, and he can clue you in on what he did. He even remote controlled it. Powell NNNN! From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon Jan 01 09:41:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51975 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 17:41:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 17:41:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 17:41:39 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.4]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 142605466 for ; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 11:39:53 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c72dcc$68f03720$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <172271.6185.qm@web56813.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 11:43:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 14, in=13, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.4 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RCA BTA 1R series X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=PqIZAV-wS8kONwc1Ina9yP1PAD5SaEz2nOIb0CUtMKh1y3GuMEI4 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude There have to be some hams in the area, maybe you could find what they use and copy their system? Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Richards" Up north we have the space. The con to radio operation up north is that the weather is not too kind to outside antennas. My SWL antenna is 10(g) due to the weather breaking the wire in excess of 10 meters. Winds off Lake Superior can be in excess of 60 miles per hour. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Jan 01 13:39:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45557 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2007 21:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2007 21:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2007 21:37:14 -0000 Received: from 48-pool1.ras01.mia01.dial.cogentco.com ([206.148.136.48] helo=PossumHunter) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H1Uq5-0006qU-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 16:37:02 -0500 Message-ID: <011101c72dec$f914a500$308894ce@PossumHunter> To: References: <456024.8426.qm@web52214.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 16:36:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RCA BTA 1R series X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=B0VT50YfXYsoubtBc0D3TPcF263Wgip0TFCjfbQDSvQXl0ViezK90_R0HuX6DQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > The 1R1 and 1R2 ate 4-400C's in modulator service. RCA issued a bulletin > to modify for that, and it also was for 125% + peaks, so I assume you did > that mod. No, my transmitter is 100% factory original. Can you send me a copy of the mod? > > For HF contact Bill, N2BC. He restored one, and put it on HF. I gave him a > bit of help on that, and he can clue you in on what he did. He even remote > controlled it. Sounds Interesting. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From matthew.trim@eds.com Mon Jan 01 16:23:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3188 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2007 00:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2007 00:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler2.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.142) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2007 00:08:07 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler2.mail.eds.com (8.13.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l02082Vr026427 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:08:02 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.13.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l02073rG016312 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:07:03 +1100 Received: from aubwm050.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.159.12]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.13.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l0207336016307 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:07:03 +1100 Received: from aubwm010.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.166.96]) by aubwm050.apac.corp.eds.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:07:03 +1100 Received: from aubwm231.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.166.105]) by aubwm010.apac.corp.eds.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:07:03 +1100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:07:01 +1100 Message-ID: <5963F1C68F53754894E6168A6D6B6AD4DA0AC4@aubwm231.apac.corp.eds.com> In-Reply-To: <686648.26605.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Accurian HD/CQuam Receiver Thread-Index: AccttYw/cwiW2Zz6R7O4rS/UOml3WQATER7g To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2007 00:07:03.0559 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE8FB970:01C72E01] X-Originating-IP: 207.169.189.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Accurian HD/CQuam Receiver X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102; y=1A9HDFoej3gqBIHnb93FDnAi5gHlDdpoEukSdUM30FRqey-Egg X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone worked out if there is a way to change it into 9khz mode - I suspect not as it's not designed for the international market but you never know! Maybe holding down the frequency up button while turning on :) (hey it worked on the Sony's!) :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmtech@yahoo.com Mon Jan 01 17:25:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41687 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2007 01:20:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2007 01:20:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56806.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2007 01:20:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 50853 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jan 2007 01:20:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8DFZjpMVM1mEo3AxAWqUzjxsBNVlOV9XzIXpLi6E7smfjINrbeZ.7MPsGrL8s3Zt.A-- Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56806.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 17:20:53 PST Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 17:20:53 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <011101c72dec$f914a500$308894ce@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <597495.50726.qm@web56806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.80 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} RCA BTA 1R series X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=FIqRr_sygHARFfHFiaxAphI_GRsLoVwNNPBBqifwYwPT92c X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not sure if it's the same mod, but Mike Dorrough recommended bypassing the circuit board on the audio input, located at shoulder height, on the left wall, standing in back of the transmitter. This was replaced with a 3dB 600 ohm to 600 ohm pad. The purpose of this mod was two-fold. The input board was mainly placed there to filter audio to prevent plate overload in the event something in the audio chain would get through. This was common in early days where audio processors would allow very low frequencies through. An unfiltered 25 cps tone from a Shaffer system automation could trip the overload. In today's processors, this is not a problem. Second; the mod allows someone to install a processor for offsetting modulation so you can run 99% negative and 124% positive. A friend I know in Ohio was able to mod a BTA1R3-2 transmitter and I thought it sounded better than the main, which was a Harris MW1A with CRL 800 processing and mod enhancer. ...Harold Possum Hunter wrote: Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > The 1R1 and 1R2 ate 4-400C's in modulator service. RCA issued a bulletin > to modify for that, and it also was for 125% + peaks, so I assume you did > that mod. No, my transmitter is 100% factory original. Can you send me a copy of the mod? > > For HF contact Bill, N2BC. He restored one, and put it on HF. I gave him a > bit of help on that, and he can clue you in on what he did. He even remote > controlled it. Sounds Interesting. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jan 01 17:49:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94836 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2007 01:31:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2007 01:31:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52208.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.131) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2007 01:31:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 51619 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jan 2007 01:31:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20070102013107.51617.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: mTIHqRoVM1k3WwAzd.TLIbtr_ecTPtNj10hfqHBvqPloBUx48BGonKhN_fLL3VmY3pqgu59iWtFwCOqOkIARmcrT6xOjvdxZ9Va1q8DQZN_M_eR64vef9XbzMccUOJeyp3fNfUdV_UJpIA-- Received: from [12.76.216.180] by web52208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 17:31:07 PST Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 17:31:07 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <597495.50726.qm@web56806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} RCA BTA 1R series X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=uxSrCDOWkUmrP8xUb881K_OEmTU6fRWrcK5rJxoGzVM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Harold Richards wrote: > I'm not sure if it's the same mod, but Mike Dorrough > recommended bypassing the circuit board on the audio > input, located at shoulder height, on the left wall, > standing in back of the transmitter. This was > replaced with a 3dB 600 ohm to 600 ohm pad. The > purpose of this mod was two-fold. It's a resistor change for the modulators. Powell NNNN! From mrcomment@yahoo.com Mon Jan 01 20:49:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mrcomment@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67782 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2007 04:35:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2007 04:35:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.122) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2007 04:35:43 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2007 04:35:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2007 04:35:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2007 04:35:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 04:35:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <872190.63994.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.122 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.139.183.209 From: "mrcomment" Subject: Re: HD means jack-nothing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193606338; y=x6oCo6_htqIIFprlNR2f12pzYRnQaBHgvnm5KFGjBk4Qqso1 X-Yahoo-Profile: mrcomment --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > IIRC, I also read that iBiquity added the "HD" - but that it doesn't > mean anything at all. That was in about 2004 I read that statement. >=20=20=20 > My opinion is that they probably added the HD as it is more pleasing=20 on > the ears and easier to remember than "IBOC" -and- they are probably > hoping that people THINK that it means "high definition", like it does > for digital TV, but it does NOT for radio. >=20 I've explained this before. iBiquity can't say HD means high=20 definition because it would invalidate their trademark on "HD Radio"=20 because the term "high-definition" is considered in the public domain=20 by the US Trademark Office ("radio" is also in the public domain).=20 Therefore, officially, it means nothing, but it is obvious that it was=20 an attempt to play piggyback on HDTV. It has nothing to do with hybrid=20 digital. From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon Jan 01 22:25:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10553 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2007 06:25:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2007 06:25:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.111) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2007 06:25:25 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n12.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2007 06:25:21 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2007 06:25:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2007 06:25:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 06:25:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <413480.94988.qm@web56810.mail.re3.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.111 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.184.96.32 From: "Mike" Subject: Re: Accurian HD/CQuam Receiver X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087; y=X1nYADe3H1-G_rFrfX4lqe0xAUpsWTriNkQGbThs5UBGRUOY X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Harold Richards =20 wrote: > >=20=20 > I'm sorry to hear that the AM is not that good. >=20=20=20=20 > If it had the sensitivity and selectivity equal to the GE Super=20 Radio III there would be a good chance I would buy it. >=20=20=20=20 > Has anyone had any success in adding an external antenna port on=20 the radio so you can connect up a loop or longwire antenna? >=20=20=20=20 > ...Harold The Accurian has a much better than average AM section in the case of=20 sensitivity. It suffers from a very overactive AGC circuit. The=20 audio is pleasant enough given the bandwidth... it actually manages=20 quite well. From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Jan 02 07:18:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65653 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2007 15:06:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2007 15:06:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2007 15:06:02 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.45] (pool-151-198-14-191.mad.east.verizon.net [151.198.14.191]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l02Exhvt016715 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 09:59:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <459A739F.7090507@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 10:00:47 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <597495.50726.qm@web56806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <597495.50726.qm@web56806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.6.128.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} RCA BTA 1R series X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145; y=iXgH1w3Z0PozpQDUgmt8kT4f0D2amgUma6CSJ-SYdAzx_g X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My BTA 1R2 is Stock..... no major mods. same with My BTA 500R. I would Never attempt to Put one on 75 Phone. But on 160 they are great.. Neal Harold Richards wrote: >I'm not sure if it's the same mod, but Mike Dorrough recommended bypassing the circuit board on the audio input, located at shoulder height, on the left wall, standing in back of the transmitter. This was replaced with a 3dB 600 ohm to 600 ohm pad. The purpose of this mod was two-fold. > > The input board was mainly placed there to filter audio to prevent plate overload in the event something in the audio chain would get through. This was common in early days where audio processors would allow very low frequencies through. An unfiltered 25 cps tone from a Shaffer system automation could trip the overload. In today's processors, this is not a problem. > > Second; the mod allows someone to install a processor for offsetting modulation so you can run 99% negative and 124% positive. A friend I know in Ohio was able to mod a BTA1R3-2 transmitter and I thought it sounded better than the main, which was a Harris MW1A with CRL 800 processing and mod enhancer. > > ...Harold > >Possum Hunter wrote: > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > >>The 1R1 and 1R2 ate 4-400C's in modulator service. RCA issued a bulletin >>to modify for that, and it also was for 125% + peaks, so I assume you did >>that mod. >> >> > >No, my transmitter is 100% factory original. Can you send me a copy of the >mod? > > >>For HF contact Bill, N2BC. He restored one, and put it on HF. I gave him a >>bit of help on that, and he can clue you in on what he did. He even remote >>controlled it. >> >> > >Sounds Interesting. > >Kevin in The Ocala National Forest >There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical >standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > __________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue Jan 02 07:58:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86736 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2007 15:48:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2007 15:48:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2007 15:48:29 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.221.234]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 140218192 for ; Tue, 02 Jan 2007 09:44:44 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004901c72e85$7f72b360$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <597495.50726.qm@web56806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <459A739F.7090507@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 09:48:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.221.234 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RCA BTA 1R series X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=ZANy3BLdkNI4ErE6Sv8c9T0WGyaRAkjHREAPZOju09BMxsUFuFq2 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude A few hams have put those boxes on 40. Is your objection based on how much modification would have to be done and how it detracts from originality? I think those would be my reasons, though if I had a few of these I wouldn't mind doing maybe one of them. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Newman" > My BTA 1R2 is Stock..... no major mods. > same with My BTA 500R. > I would Never attempt to Put one on 75 Phone. > But on 160 they are great.. > Neal > From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Jan 02 08:53:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 595 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2007 16:53:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2007 16:53:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2007 16:53:30 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.45] (pool-151-198-14-191.mad.east.verizon.net [151.198.14.191]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l02Gp2vt017772 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:51:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <459A8DB6.2030301@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 11:52:06 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <597495.50726.qm@web56806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <459A739F.7090507@skyweb.net> <004901c72e85$7f72b360$d503fea9@stodd> In-Reply-To: <004901c72e85$7f72b360$d503fea9@stodd> X-Originating-IP: 66.6.128.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} RCA BTA 1R series X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145; y=C3JPoyfeDQ2zuyYMyRqcl0TsgnEpvFpzptKk7TYANzWCbQ X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Exactly Scott I personally think the Rig maintains its value if it stays as it vwas built from the factory. If I have to highly modify it I might as well just go Build a rig from scratch. Thats like taking a 1946 Cessna 140 Tail dragger. and adding a Nose wheel,larger Engine and Better Performing wings and stretching the body to be a 4 seater.. Its better to buy a Cessna 172 If you want that.. Heck. a cessna 140 taildragger cost about $3k-$4K New back in 1946 If that.. Today if that plane is still in its stock state it could fetch $30k or Better... It takes alot to make an RCA BTA series transmitter into a multiband Rig. to move it to 160 Meters its just a change of Coil taps and Remove a Cap from the tank circuit.. Nothing more unless the rig is a basket case like my BTA-500R was.. Now the Gates BC-1H I have has a Better chance of being a Multi band Rig because Of its Design and use of 833 tubes.. Another basket case that Needs work Before being converted. at the moment its Buried in the barn Behined the New walls I build To Convert the barn back into a Horse stable..My uncle gave the kids a horse for X-mas... It will Require alot of work to Dig that bad boy out... Someday.. Neal Scott Todd wrote: >A few hams have put those boxes on 40. Is your objection based on how much >modification would have to be done and how it detracts from originality? I >think those would be my reasons, though if I had a few of these I wouldn't >mind doing maybe one of them. > >Scott Todd > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Neal Newman" > > > >>My BTA 1R2 is Stock..... no major mods. >>same with My BTA 500R. >> I would Never attempt to Put one on 75 Phone. >> But on 160 they are great.. >>Neal >> >> >> > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jan 02 09:55:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69158 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2007 17:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2007 17:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2007 17:55:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 7491 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jan 2007 17:54:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3pKjt08VM1mfK8.u8tdOQTfgxbiH1xiIQBkLZqOC1IpmLSyO_8lRMb7hsSTe5rUHkDw_g812ZS8tYO7uHI5k0GJvVPU0lYbqrk6TCZmtNzADwMHjM7aQaksejGxhqSjmUHaLqHhLFg-- Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Jan 2007 09:54:28 PST Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 09:54:28 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <415524.7310.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: RCA BTA 1R series X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=_TfP1FPN79z6uWJMemZObmOE0sO_doM1n96LcQvM0nDS17ovT-IytxE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Harold wrote: "...A friend I know in Ohio was able to mod a BTA1R3-2 transmitter and I thought it sounded better than the main, which was a Harris MW1A with CRL 800 processing and mod enhancer..." HAROLD - was that 1470 in Toledo? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jan 02 10:00:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67963 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2007 17:56:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2007 17:56:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2007 17:56:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 59739 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jan 2007 17:56:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: b_KTFfUVM1kmbZo_KBwZAMUgwzcv4gN4yHIFYCN_GMxS6k7LP2t4e_gZqk6Qiwz_GQWClHWL9VonqAEbpAu7z2pJ.bYS.HuPRJDA4l6z6HsUSVqUEyR5ZQlixc.pxDZn5FZlcdaoIA-- Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Jan 2007 09:56:54 PST Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 09:56:54 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <50364.53832.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: Radio Shack Accurian HD/CQuam Receiver X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=9owo4MgP9Jp8HxL3mHG7LAu7qTqoJuFT7WCvvUKpheOKlkLrkYAYLBc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio SOLTIRIS- I don't know if the Radio Shack radio would do you any good as it appears it tunes in 10KHz steps - I don't know if there's a jumper or menu to change it to 9KHz for Europe. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Jan 02 10:03:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58118 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2007 17:55:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2007 17:55:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2007 17:55:24 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.105.100.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.105.100] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H1nln-0005zX-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 02 Jan 2007 12:49:52 -0500 Message-ID: <00c101c72e96$676e1c30$64695b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <597495.50726.qm@web56806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <459A739F.7090507@skyweb.net> <004901c72e85$7f72b360$d503fea9@stodd> <459A8DB6.2030301@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 12:49:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RCA BTA 1R series X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=8F0S8uDAm6wsWW94D8pkfsESZSi3FLjHnYWBkXYDQN048jXtfWXp2WMXcWOVpA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Neal Newman wrote: > If I have to highly modify it I might as well just go Build a rig from > scratch. Agreed. > > to move it to 160 Meters its just a change of Coil taps and Remove a Cap > from the tank circuit. I would be willing to move it to 160 with a minor mod, but no way would I modify my factory perfect BTA-1R1 soit couldnt be put back like it was. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jan 02 12:16:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21830 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2007 20:07:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2007 20:07:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.107) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2007 20:07:44 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n11.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2007 20:06:56 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2007 20:06:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2007 20:06:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 20:06:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <319384.30502.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.107 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.40 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: The end of analog X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=A_gIRq2l2viUOvaJ2f01q-lUsFK2gglJTRYYcurJaDyaVQ1KDw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 wrote: > > I still stand by my thoughts on digital versus analog. > I just don't think that HD will ever sound as good as > a properly received FM stereo station that isn't > overprocessed. For me to be "onboard" i'd want the > thing to sound at minimal the bit rate of current red > book CDs. That is 1142 kbps bit rates, none of this > 128, 192, or 384 beacause none of those reach the > resolution of a CD. Just look at the difference in > bit rate. If they aren't willing to at least get it > up to somewhere around that then I say just stick with > analog transmissions. I can support something new if > it is in fact better however all the literature you > read on it suggests otherwise. Someone had asked me > if I had heard it the answer is no and I don't have > to. I know the difference in bit rates and recordings > as I can do that with my computer and software I have > on it. It wouldn't make sense for me to go out and > buy something new "just to hear it". That is a waste > when you can read up on it and know otherwise. I > always read up on things before I make a purchase. So > far I have always been right in my assesments of > things prior to purchasing. The times I've listened > to the logic of this forum on "just go buy it", I was > always disappointed. I still do not see anything > wrong with analog transmissions and I think it could > be further enhanced from what it currently is without > going digital. For one with digital you either get it > or you don't, theres no slight signal. With analog it > may be a distant signal and noisy but you can get > something at least. It's the same with DAT machines > and I know this because I own one. When there is a > dropout on the tape it's zero, zilch, nothing. With > analog it's usually just faded but there is still some > signal. I say this to you. Pick some song, doesn't > matter what it is. Listen to it on your best HD radio > from your best HD station. Then compare it with a CD > recording of the same song at home. Which is best?=20 > It is the same with analog as well. My point in > totality is that radio when it comes down to it is > radio, it isn't a CD. The only way I want things to > change is IF radio morphs into something similar in > quality to the CD at bare minimum. If it doesn't then > why change, why waste money on something that isn't > really slightly better and in some cases worse? Yes > if you were building a station from the ground up it > would be stupid to say go with an optimod 9100 versus > that 9400 with the HD on it. Mind you it does still > preserve the CQUAM mode. If it is a LOT better than > the best FM with more reception range than is > currently available then I say go for it. I just > don't see that happening, at least not now. As for > the HD arguement I still stand by my comment that it > is most logically Hyrbrid Digital because that is the > mode that it currently is mostly being used for. I > think perhaps it would have more appropriately been > called simply "Digital Radio".=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: >=20 > > The end of analog transmission mode (AM) on the MW > > band is seriously being discussed and considered in > > Great Britain, with the FM band to follow.=20 > >=20 > > There's been whisperings of it over in the United > > States. For IBOC to succeed analog has to be turned > > off, sooner than later. Any long dragging out of > > analog and digital on the same band kills radio for > > both. How many stations on our AM band will go away > > once IBOC gets night authorization shortly..... > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Powell > >=20 > > NNNN! > >=20 Mmmm... If you let me add some live experience: Here, my beautiful=20 country CHILE, has a very wide radio music format spectrum, to all=20 kind of people, from mexician to caribean, from latinamerican=20 folklore to classics, from hard rock to reggaeton, from music to=20 news/sports, etc, AND ALL IS ANALOG AM MONO RADIO!!! And, please,=20 excuse me but here, in Chile, there still are people who listen AM. ARCHI (the chilean NAB) did some IBOC test last year and did a=20 survey too: 69% of the "surveyed" people answered they didn't like=20 the AM IBOC signal. (Unfortunately, I have to say the test was done=20 into a non good testing conditions). The interesting thing is I know the IBOC tested signal sounded the=20 same as the Internet RealPlayer audio, and the people use it very=20 often!!! (The most of chilean radios on Internet has and "On Air"=20 signal with that system). In other words: the people don't claim against the Internet bad=20 sound but they claim against the same sound on radio!!! Curious. I have a similar problem with my telephone company DIGITAL=20 SATELLITAL TV SYSTEM: It's digital, very digital!!! I CAN SEE THE=20 PIXELS ANYTIME, HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! It's not a joke or kid: I can=20 see the pixels on my TV screen, exactly as the typical "*.AVI"=20 or "*.MPG" computer videos, and the same pixelation problems too!!!=20 As a practical example of this: think on a typical National=20 Geographic Channel scene: a beautiful african grassland and a deep=20 blue sky, a paradise. Well, with the VERY MODERN "NEW" DIGITAL=20 SATELLITAL TV SYSTEM we can see the grassland, the trees, the=20 girafees and.... a very pixelated blue sky, with very visible layers=20 from the light blue to the dark blue. Very good!!! Right? And it's=20 not free, I have to pay extra money for the "new" service!!! Do we want the same with the "new" digital AM radio? We can't see pixels on our radios, but we can hear the "digital=20 artifacts" (pixelated sound) of the bit compression!!! I insist the digital world is the best IN THE STUDIO, from a device=20 to another through a short shielded wire, but not for radio waves.=20 Nothing more, nothing less. And remember: the first sound source (the mike) and the last sound=20 stage (the audio power amplifier and speaker boxes) ARE STILL ANALOG=20 DEVICES (and I think it still will be analog for a long, long, long=20 time; unless somebody invent a "digital" human ear... maybe someday). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! HAPPY NEW YEAR FOR ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From amfmtech@yahoo.com Tue Jan 02 13:57:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72731 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2007 21:41:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2007 21:41:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56812.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2007 21:41:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 97050 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jan 2007 21:40:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HVqowLoVM1lUg1wjn0MKyDYx80q4fbjS7mmapIY4z5qJdd6OK1c11Va3hQvwmCaOCFZi4KOcuMTUCRTfvxjzRqG9IlF4xLVhM8IvWTFRZ6VIE8bqtKcgEGHofew.V3zlERGTj3DnNzGRkJd6H9qF.ZsU8vZYRRH8bAmurRLhqcQSCGtOknwV.0.HZKdv Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56812.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Jan 2007 13:40:33 PST Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 13:40:33 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <415524.7310.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <915851.97024.qm@web56812.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RCA BTA 1R series X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=WmECyR4Guks7NQ7nXLvUDpceWt86NU_tKPqYZezEdZfOlKo X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, not WOHO. The station was in Monroe, Michigan. He left the station in the 1980s and moved to Ohio and is in TV, consulting, and design engineering now. The station he worked at was WHND that operated on 560 kc. The transmitter site was in Monroe, Michigan, but served the Wayne County (Detroit) area. WHND's four tower array is just south of Monroe. WHND was a 500 watts daytime with a 67 watt pre-sunrise authority. I met him when he was CE of the station. He would put the BTA1R3 on during thunderstorms because the MW1A would trip off the air during lightning strikes. When he had the BTA1R3 on the air it sounded better than the MW1A. I stopped in to visit him and found out he was running a modified Dorrough DAP 310 on the RCA. I was impressed at the quality of the audio for such a low power station. I eventually made the same mods to our transmitter at the station I worked at, which made management very happy. ...Harold "John P." wrote: Harold wrote: "...A friend I know in Ohio was able to mod a BTA1R3-2 transmitter and I thought it sounded better than the main, which was a Harris MW1A with CRL 800 processing and mod enhancer..." HAROLD - was that 1470 in Toledo? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Jan 02 14:04:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69928 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2007 22:04:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2007 22:04:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2007 22:04:25 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.235.250.175.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.235.250.175] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H1rk6-0004kS-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 02 Jan 2007 17:04:23 -0500 Message-ID: <01d301c72eb9$f57ce920$64695b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <50364.53832.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:04:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio Shack Accurian HD/CQuam Receiver X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=m1KZZGR6O49X2Oq16hTgtI8OgJejBqKoUU0A_iVN26mV8HB47CC_dYVEGkJUPA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 the HD Radio would be worthless in Europe. You need a DRM radio there. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." To: Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:56 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Radio Shack Accurian HD/CQuam Receiver > SOLTIRIS- I don't know if the Radio Shack radio would do you any good > as it appears it tunes in 10KHz steps - I don't know if there's a > jumper or menu to change it to 9KHz for Europe. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From amfmtech@yahoo.com Tue Jan 02 14:22:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9689 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2007 22:16:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2007 22:16:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56812.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.86) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2007 22:16:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 9397 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jan 2007 22:15:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .hQrw1wVM1ngAm_AY2UdXHPxGynaSONGzAVnGFTtqVKk6eiH5R00xk2n0KZiyn3nsD3Sv24MoVfgJr60wKasWZl4QhkFoGeEkjSst9x7yERl.LMoyeRzg8djiwZxzJ6GhD1FyWRVKEoF3Sdld_gdQgIOi2h8FighzJqYK66ZC8WbFQq3e2SfGnGCVh7H Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56812.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Jan 2007 14:15:06 PST Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 14:15:06 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <539347.8510.qm@web56812.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The end of analog X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=Czue5Dg7C3z9mLxiwZRDZbtBIap1hBWT48mCJSEpUxtywmI X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My problem with digital is that it's sold to be better quality. Those of you old enough to remember the NAB campaign in the sixties to get more listeners to FM, based their argument on the audio quality being "HI-FI" on FM than AM. For most, the FM stations in Detroit were of better audio quality. I remember WHFI in Birmingham on 94.7 sold its self on having the highest audio quality, and it was better than most of the AMs in town. Contrast that to today where we're told - digital is better, but it's not. Radio is not like TV where you get a wider, or better picture, and services like the program guide. The best they can do is multiple channels, each of which sound like a Real Audio computer file. I'm not impressed with the digital fare here in Detroit. The stations using in band, on channel, sound bad in conventional AM, and the digital service is poor at best. Even WWJ with it's massive 50,000 watt signal is not decoding in all parts of the city of license. However, the analog signal can even be heard in the tunnels and inner city valleys. Add to that the content issue where many station have lacking formats, and offer no quality of programming fare. Is having that digital suppose to change content issues? So tell me, are we better off with digital. I think not. There is no benefit to the end user like myself. I think the benefit is that broadcast companies can build their digital stations and use the expenses as a writeoff to offset programming income losses. I honestly don't see why any station would invest in it given the lack of interest and obviously problems. But then, there were investors in the Kaiser motor car company, the Edsel, and some backed the CBS mechanical scanner for TV. Some fools are content to throw their money into things they think will give them great monetary gain, and be blind to reality. But having digiatl pushed by government tells me that it's simply a revenue stream for the U.S. Treasury on the backs of those who enjoy the service. Just my two cents. ...Harold __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jan 02 16:33:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23567 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2007 00:33:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2007 00:33:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.113) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2007 00:33:33 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2007 00:32:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2007 00:32:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2007 00:32:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 00:32:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <539347.8510.qm@web56812.mail.re3.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.13 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: The end of analog X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=f2z_VLGcxFtN_OzuxWcp3m_Yihtd8B-XNHCyGjdiCnRqdQwddQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Harold Richards =20 wrote: > > My problem with digital is that it's sold to be better quality.=20 Those of you old enough to remember the NAB campaign in the sixties to=20 get more listeners to FM, based their argument on the audio quality=20 being "HI-FI" on FM than AM.=20 >=20=20=20=20 I absolutely agree with you!!! But, as a free service to the forum, CAN SOMEBODY PUT AN MP3 FILE,=20 CAPTURED DIRECTLY FROM AN IBOC AM TUNER, WITH A TODAY USA IBOC AM=20 STATION SIGNAL, PLEASE? Just to compare it with the C-QUAM files. Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From pdmtr@yahoo.com Wed Jan 03 00:42:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1431 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2007 08:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2007 08:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.244) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2007 08:35:53 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2007 08:35:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2007 08:35:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 08:35:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01d301c72eb9$f57ce920$64695b04@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.75.125.9 From: "Sotiris" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Radio Shack Accurian HD/CQuam Receiver X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=u8fGmrJDOo7ww3cVIFxnmXBjIK3wAe17zGtxfgDJ6yM X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 Yes I do know about the step difference, and already go DRM receiving=20 capability here.=20 My point isn't for these...=20 I would like to have that radio, as it seems to me that it would be=20 the last commercial radios build with CQUAM decoding, and I would=20 like to have it on my collection :)=20 Its not about listening anything to HD or CQUAM (even that we our=20=20 stations playing with it lately here at Athens...)=20 I'm also almost sure that these toys will have a hidden jumper or=20 some other method that will turn them at 9KHz step, as I'm sure the=20 designers have included other targeting markets, that maybe sooner or=20 later work with HD. And the CQUAM decoding maybe has something to do=20 with those markets, as it can be sold ther from now, and give extra=20 profit for this "hidden" capability! :)=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > the HD Radio would be worthless in Europe. You need a DRM radio=20 there. >=20 > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a=20 mathematical=20 > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard=20 Kahn >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "John P." > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:56 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Radio Shack Accurian HD/CQuam Receiver >=20 >=20 > > SOLTIRIS- I don't know if the Radio Shack radio would do you any=20 good > > as it appears it tunes in 10KHz steps - I don't know if there's a > > jumper or menu to change it to 9KHz for Europe. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jan 03 07:55:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40061 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2007 15:53:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2007 15:53:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2007 15:53:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 54989 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jan 2007 15:52:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WK7tJj4VM1krv4NJJ99d8Gc5dXssQpGjMui9VUNFyNcKdjR0PjcvxNElHEI7fC9BZCSLG2mvQ5Lo0C.kRG9LN9J4hqwu7Tv7KeNHAwj1iav6VhPo9lm01BzYZwM8VcVMitk7VomdzdE- Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Jan 2007 07:52:36 PST Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 07:52:36 -0800 (PST) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <445609.53278.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Contact Radio Shack about Accurian HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=mzGGqhjcgxOUVTryw3tluRveFL49Mi4wHMvHlGHzzGcpnMWlx73DaKY X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hey, have you guys considered contacting the Radio Shack website, or 800 number and telling them that you would like some enhancements on the Accurian HD radio - like indicators for CQUAM or FM stereo in analog? Or a way to get full bandwidth on analog AM for stereo (get 10.2KHz audio with the CQuam pilot tone)? Add the software to eliminate 'platform motion' - and it can be done with DSP code. Make your suggestions know - call The Shack or email them this week about your new radios! And THANK them for CQuam on AM - and maybe even mention it on their box or website. Speak-up men! J __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From missing_kskd@yahoo.com Wed Jan 03 09:41:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: missing_kskd@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27762 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2007 17:33:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2007 17:33:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.117) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2007 17:33:10 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2007 17:31:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2007 17:31:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2007 17:31:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 17:31:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.173.201.33 From: "missing_kskd" Subject: Re: AM IBOC Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=293595352; y=dwjohJ9XRiaTibj514y3WEUf3mvmZu0wgeSRcGQn4j02xecquwJB X-Yahoo-Profile: missing_kskd Greets all! Have been reading this list for a long time.=20=20 Samples from various content delivery technologies, including an AM IBOC recording direct from the radio, can be found here: http://www.opengeek.org/2005/03/hd-radio-analog-fm-mp3-and-ogg-audio.html That's my personal blog. If you stray from the samples page, you'll find some IBOC and AM Stereo related stuff, but you will find a lotta other stuff too! You have been warned :) The recent discussion related to the CQUAM capability to be found in some HD radios is encouraging. Most of it has been covered, but I want to add: IMHO, FM IBOC has a fighting chance of being adopted. The multi-stream stuff is very interesting from a value add standpoint.=20 It's also a largely risk free test bed right now, that should be exploited for new content forms, formats and can be the basis for new station identities that leverage both streams.=20=20 Yeah, quality is not the best, but content is king. If it ends up on the streams, folks will buy radios. If it does not, then IBOC is stillborn. We shall see! Also IMHO, the AM IBOC is not a clear winner in that it really does not add significant value like FM IBOC does. There is no one size fits all AM solution. This is due to it's additive nature.=20 Essentially everybody needs to get along, or we have a mess. Honestly, we have a chance here for Ibiquity to set some realistic expectations for AM that give broadcasters a choice. If they included solid AMAX capable CQUAM support to the terms of their license, both AM IBOC and CQUAM would be seen as viable choices. Given this scenario, broadcasters than could choose what makes best sense for them. Also stereo broadcasts in general, would be seen as viable too. That's a big nut that needs to be cracked for AM Stereo and AM in general to rise above the narrow band mono expectations is has now. Given a supported platform, broadcasters could target the radios with either tech, thus giving content creators some incentive to do the same. My personal preference would be for no digital AM broadcasts, but I see a lot of value in the realistic position where we end up with a helthy mix of CQUAM and IBOC stations on the dial. The end result is an AM that is better in general, has more content forms present to attract listeners, and where broadcasters have upgrade choices that make sense.=20=20 Right now, it's either make a mess (IBOC), or just keep doing what we are doing (Analog whatever). Pretty ugly choice really, in that the dollars required for an upgrade have no assurance of ever getting a return. With IBOC the potential listener pool is small too boot. One could choose AMS first, thus tapping the considerably larger potential listener pool, and perhaps make a return on the audio chain upgrade. From there, IBOC could be an option someday --or not! Either way, Ibiquity still sells radios, which if they take a pragmatic view, benefits them more than the all or nothing approach being pushed today. From missing_kskd@yahoo.com Wed Jan 03 09:42:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: missing_kskd@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69807 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2007 17:38:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2007 17:38:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.33) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2007 17:38:32 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2007 17:38:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2007 17:38:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 17:38:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.173.201.33 From: "missing_kskd" Subject: RE: Meaning of HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=293595352; y=faTkX0TYoUENYCLqHoyBYFatlraGqfTygSVEDqjNY7YKB23JsWFw X-Yahoo-Profile: missing_kskd sorry... hit send too early. (follow on to my other post) If the AMS stuff is embraced by Ibiquity, and some solid code is written for the DSP were to include impulse noise blanking and some smart bandwidth options (perhaps key the bandwidth to the treble setting), then the HD Radio moniker would then be more in line with the average joe's association with High Definition. The radio would perform better on all broadcasts, not just digital ones. IMHO, this is an easier sell all around, in that everyone then has a reason to buy a new radio. At the end of the day, it's all gonna come down to that. If we don't see enough radios entering the marketplace to justify the dollars spent, then the whole thing dies right there. As much as any of us dislikes IBOC, should this happen, radio will be marginalized for long enough to allow other tech to take the lead and likely keep it. From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Jan 03 10:14:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33421 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2007 18:00:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2007 18:00:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.32) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2007 18:00:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 28866 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jan 2007 16:48:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: p39dlvsVM1m_ujosZH_IIoIKgRBBNKa30q8QMgJ1hkMZ0P8FQ9KippgdYftKK7uHOw-- Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Jan 2007 08:48:16 PST Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 08:48:16 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <445609.53278.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <191186.28723.qm@web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Contact Radio Shack about Accurian HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=u9Vjm8cT2xTCERBf3ukF0fH4lDDQ_SdjY9GfVHDyENno4JHL2EqD X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Unfortunately radio shack isn't your fathers radio shack. There's mostly bumbling idiots that work there now who know nothing about electronics. --- "John P." wrote: > Hey, have you guys considered contacting the Radio > Shack website, or > 800 number and telling them that you would like some > enhancements on > the Accurian HD radio - like indicators for CQUAM or > FM stereo in > analog? Or a way to get full bandwidth on analog AM > for stereo (get > 10.2KHz audio with the CQuam pilot tone)? Add the > software to > eliminate 'platform motion' - and it can be done > with DSP code. > Make your suggestions know - call The Shack or email > them this week > about your new radios! And THANK them for CQuam on > AM - and maybe even > mention it on their box or website. > Speak-up men! > J > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jan 03 10:41:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96959 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2007 18:40:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2007 18:40:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52215.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.138) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2007 18:40:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 6573 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jan 2007 18:40:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0s3B8f0VM1l8CT0x8qb0q907KtEhqycCecrtebdMlj3VjGRLHOAjIV1ZIzZGJ4RClpg1iQ5UJL9DyzvilFQ3QzoVHguFZKyupx8TMQf0Ov8RSMDulZKqpT9_gUl6RMSKKAQjJcASwBRExdw- Received: from [12.76.217.88] by web52215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Jan 2007 10:40:43 PST Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 10:40:43 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <191186.28723.qm@web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <853233.5961.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Contact Radio Shack about Accurian HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=y2XS0l78Eul4GNvBJ8Dq7YewloYiNm6P75wHy8dQjT8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kevin Bell wrote: > Unfortunately radio shack isn't your fathers radio > shack. There's mostly bumbling idiots that work > there > now who know nothing about electronics. And it's been that way for a long time. Now all the parts for the most part are gone. It should be called PHONE SHACK now. Powell NNNN! From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Jan 03 16:46:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15570 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2007 00:42:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2007 00:42:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.34) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2007 00:42:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 99498 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jan 2007 00:41:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wELmI.sVM1mlD_iuPGAmtb.CHprRzHkIDU5UcsF9r7.60ojWCF_UAiG3JXTdhpbLQ.wu_Nws4.S1f9NdhGid5GORPGKZ4gT6_IfvggNKhiOEG9RwvBqrXfPrsrE1HsWkeUKCT8cp Received: from [74.226.198.121] by web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Jan 2007 16:41:46 PST Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 16:41:46 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <853233.5961.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <728664.98296.qm@web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Contact Radio Shack about Accurian HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=Qme8IizlFlMk2WHbtUawpMat75HOhtrGtniBQ6IlOeDZSQJeN37x X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Agreeable. --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Kevin Bell wrote: > > > Unfortunately radio shack isn't your fathers radio > > shack. There's mostly bumbling idiots that work > > there > > now who know nothing about electronics. > > > And it's been that way for a long time. Now all the > parts for the most part are gone. It should be > called > PHONE SHACK now. > > > Powell > > NNNN! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Jan 03 17:22:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6594 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2007 01:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2007 01:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fall-curlleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (207.69.195.105) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2007 01:19:21 -0000 Received: from jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net ([207.69.200.63]) by fall-curlleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1H2HFv-0008Au-VQ for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 03 Jan 2007 20:18:55 -0500 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.123.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.123] helo=PossumHunter) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H2Gxv-0003xf-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 03 Jan 2007 20:00:20 -0500 Message-ID: <056e01c72f9b$b405e4f0$646c5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <853233.5961.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 20:00:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.195.105 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Contact Radio Shack about Accurian HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=hbinMrgBHoNfet-7N4AjwWXngPBj2nlZVCXJb2u8BSoaQzJUWKh31zeOjZx7vw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: >Unfortunately radio shack isn't your fathers radio shack. There's mostly >bumbling idiots that work there now who know nothing about electronics. I am lucky. The local Radio Shack just hired a HAM to run the counter. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Jan 03 20:09:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25330 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2007 03:53:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2007 03:53:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.216) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2007 03:53:40 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 03:52:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 03:52:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 03:52:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.111 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: AM IBOC Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=VbqQONxeIX3dmn2zxE8mccSuCjDuPQCX8iTlyDDLhaOWRtk7eQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "missing_kskd"=20 wrote: > > Greets all! >=20 > Samples from various content delivery technologies, including an AM > IBOC recording direct from the radio, can be found here: >=20 > http://www.opengeek.org/2005/03/hd-radio-analog-fm-mp3-and-ogg- audio.html >=20 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE SAMPLES!!! I hope all the forum members hear your samples. I have only a question: IS IT (the AM IBOC samples) THE AVERAGE USA=20 AM IBOC AUDIO QUALITY? I heard an AM IBOC test here, in Chile, last year and I thought it=20 sounded bad due to the chilean electronic level. With your samples,=20 now it seems to me IS THE IBOC SYSTEM THE PROBLEM!!! I insist is a very DIGITAL audio (pixelated audio, like the=20 pixelated "digital" television). It sounds like an Internet RealPlayer audio stream... so digital=20 compressed and ugly!!! I don't like the C-QUAM AM Stereo theory but I have to admit my=20 Philips C-QUAM AM Stereo tuner sounds very, very, very, too much=20 better than your HD samples, even when you tune a mono station. LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AUDIO!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jan 04 02:46:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17430 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2007 10:46:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2007 10:46:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.206) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2007 10:46:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 10:46:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 10:46:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 10:46:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01b501c72885$01a41380$6f6e5b04@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.43.90 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=c27fqAxxbr-mDCj4e6tlB58WRrRCrXT2A1WKY5okxqJF4Q5L X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > You can find the Orignal Alfredo here: >=20 http://web.archive.org/web/20001212170200/inetarena.com/~alfredot/excite r.html >=20 > Some of the chips used are no longer in production. Actually, his whole site is archived at the AM Stereo Archive (with his=20 permission), but the transmitter itself is here: http://tinyurl.com/vrzv Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jan 04 02:49:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66749 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2007 10:48:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2007 10:48:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.125) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2007 10:48:46 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 10:43:25 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 10:43:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 10:43:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 10:43:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01b201c72883$e84a2ab0$6f6e5b04@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.125 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.43.90 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=j79pFcOaEvQqVZ3BxRDk0hgnpPdMTLlSrpALNHsjZ_JBo8qI X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > Harold Richards wrote: > > Any chance that this can be rescanned at a higher DPI? None of the=20 values=20 > > can be read. >=20 > Sorry I found that on http://part15.us/node/474 I have no original to=20 scan. http://tinyurl.com/6h2pp Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jan 04 03:26:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54692 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2007 11:26:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2007 11:26:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.112) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2007 11:26:21 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 11:26:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 11:26:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 11:26:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 11:26:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.43.90 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Accurian CQUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=Y8VgTGRiEptjZ2aJUN277Oorwx2JE8xH9d0AuKjehu9jEfMO X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" wrote: > > "Forced stereo", that was my opinion of the Sony SRF-42 AM Stereo=20 > walkman I once owned, even mono AM stations didn't quite sound the=20 same=20 > in both channels, I suppose it's a matter of how much passband the=20 > station's antenna system is tuned for above and below carrier=20 frequency. More correctly, it's due to incidental phase modulation, or to put it=20 more plainly, the broadcaster hadn't taken the care to reduce phasing=20 in the system, which can occur especially between the transmitter and=20 antenna system, and/or an improperly-phased antenna array. This is why I said long ago that AM stereo is the best thing to=20 happen to mono AM, because the engineer is trying to get the most out=20 of the exciter, which means reducing unwanted phase (phase creates=20 distortion) to wanted, controlled phase (which can enhance the=20 quality of reception). Doesn't hurt to have great-sounding stereo AM, either. :) Radios like the SRF-42 and SRF-A100 can be a radio engineer's best=20 friend, even if his/her station isn't stereo. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jan 04 04:12:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53108 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2007 12:09:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2007 12:09:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.164) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2007 12:09:29 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n6.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 12:06:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 12:06:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 12:06:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 12:06:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <012201c72c1e$4d148560$496c5b04@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.43.90 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=Dw33IFuJlwyxM-mVLwacOP3JBJmNTEI-V4gk_mkSNQYY2hQV X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > Kevin Bell wrote: > >Do you not know that you are supporting the enemy?=20 >=20 > You of all people should be jumping for joy that you can actually=20 go out a buy a radio that picks up ANALOG C-QUAM at a mass retail=20 store and for under $1000. The ONLY other home tuners still on the US=20 market that will pick up C-QUAM is the Fanfare FTA-100 for $1895.00=20 or the Japan Radio Company JRC NRD-545 DSP for $1999.95. Those are=20 the ONLY home AM Stereo tuners left on the market, other than the two=20 HD-Radios that get C-QUAM. Not counting the Meduci that one can buy online from the manufacturer=20 for $125... > While both of these tuners are well worth every red cent of their=20 nearly Two Thousand Dollar price tags, they are simply out of the=20 budget for the average listener. Now for the very first time in=20 nearly 20 years, ANYBODY can go buy a Sangean HDT-1 for $174.95 after=20 rebate and get ANALOG AM-Stereo. Almost 10. The LAST AM steredo radio under #1k (that I'm aware of) to=20 be readily available retail was the Sony SRF-42, and that disappeared=20 in 2000. :( It was also the most successful, last I recall. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jan 04 04:19:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32592 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2007 12:19:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2007 12:19:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.110) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2007 12:19:12 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n12.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 12:16:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 12:16:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 12:16:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 12:16:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20061230190044.82854.qmail@web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.43.90 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Detroit-Area HD Radio Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=Jn3pjPcnNyQHUTC3geR6lmBtM8U4FDunhqjngvExphbX3jaD X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 wrote: > > Again I point you guys to this website and yes it is > under $1000, perhaps he should start charging more due > to peoples idea that you can't find one under $1000.=20 > I would if I were him!=20=20=20 >=20 > http://meduci.com/amx2000.html Here's the thing: It isn't out on the retail market! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (I'll worry about getting one after I deal with getting a new computer-- Unless someone has an old working G4 iMac they're willing to give to a=20 poor mouse. :) ) From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jan 04 05:09:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39342 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2007 13:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2007 13:04:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.133) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2007 13:04:55 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 13:04:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 13:04:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 13:04:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 13:04:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.43.90 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: This discussion is over. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=fsoV9XmNbLMUwLZ7pQJ2-FLid16zPjlQ2fKm0suVd02QqKli X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Upton" wrote: > p.s. A special Happy New Years to that very fine lady in Northern=20 California!!! :) Considering I've been just keeping quiet the last few months.... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jan 04 05:19:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39703 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2007 13:14:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2007 13:14:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52206.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.129) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2007 13:14:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 46864 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jan 2007 13:14:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2YvBwMIVM1ngjFp.NWNx.11Ep9AL6gs_GMrPwUaM.PEAO6UQ_ROva2wa4v8ONVT64mRZHeEslym_Gso65DKhkzUmNRmNQxQAcSVwt8hojvtLXMeqv6PkwrJWvSXid_QKvrEiFXj2cEaYNIA- Received: from [12.76.217.94] by web52206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Jan 2007 05:14:36 PST Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 05:14:36 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <818915.45807.qm@web52206.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: This discussion is over. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=9tlRcA8J3L58j9jXPMYvM1qmLCZs6UswHsrNwziJLDg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: You are up early this AM! Powell ( going back to bed for awhile..) NNNN! From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jan 04 06:00:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6721 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2007 13:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2007 13:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2007 13:49:29 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 13:39:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 13:39:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 13:39:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 13:39:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <818915.45807.qm@web52206.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.43.90 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: This discussion is over. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=F7N7GChrV59jMooIP8SwPz9eWEec2MBxKErU5mE-ARE-F3_1 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > --- Amy Mousie wrote: >=20 > You are up early this AM!=20 >=20 > Powell ( going back to bed for awhile..) 5:30 in the am, right now- VERY late for me... (I hit the hay around=20 3am, usually...) Had to read ALL the posts here back to Dec. 11...=20 All I can say is... Oy!! My mousie EYES!!! :P :) And I'll reserve comment on a couple posters.... And Sotiris- I still want an aircheck from you for the AMS Archive's=20 Greece folder.... :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Jan 04 08:27:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1711 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2007 16:27:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2007 16:27:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.60) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2007 16:27:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 16:21:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 16:21:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 16:21:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.23 From: "jotape1960" Subject: C-QUAM AM Stereo Receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=DbCBs3yT-Xz8ZFysn7FTL5O0w0kbpA1uT7Ibzx13lauauVhBPw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI GANG!!! According to more than one guy in this forum had commented, it's=20 impossible to get a good C-QUAM AM Stereo tuner (car or home) with a=20 price less than US$ 1800 today (with the exception of Meduci AMAX),=20 Right? Then I wonder: If it is not a secret the digital IBOC, HD, Ibiquity,=20 DRM, etc. system doesn't work in the AM band, Why the NAB doesn't push=20 the AM tuner makers to get back to the high quality C-QUAM AM Stereo=20 at a low price? I wonder if the NAB has enough power to do that. I wonder if the NAB=20 is enough united with itself (all the NAB members with only one target=20 in mind). I wonder that because here, in Chile, our ARCHI (chilean=20 NAB) is enough united with some topics, but others.... I'm not sure if=20 ARCHI would be able to get that kind of agreement. At least, I'll try=20 to get it the next ARCHI meeting. Will the NAB be able to get it? I=20 hope: YES!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From raynor_jeff@yahoo.com Thu Jan 04 09:25:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: raynor_jeff@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20916 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2007 17:21:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2007 17:21:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2007 17:21:32 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 17:18:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 17:18:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 17:18:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.0.80.147 From: "Jeff Raynor" Subject: Response to my station going AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=221315206; y=HiS0WHKHx_Z6zmsckz6M0tmAsVtd9_sxgKu8raTWAJwVlknN1iE X-Yahoo-Profile: raynor_jeff WOW... what a great response. Thank you!!! to all who posted in=20 response to my mention about going AM Stereo.=20 Let me try to answer questions to the whole group. Anyone, please=20 feel free to contact me off-post and we can chat. Better yet, feel=20 free to call me at WXMY anytime.=20 If you take a look at our website, WXMY is a 5kW daytimer. If you=20 take a look at our website www.1600wxmy.com you can see some pictures=20 of the station. The Arrakis console in the studio has recently been=20 replaces with an Auditronics 210 that came to us in very pristine=20 condition. We have a BSI WaveStation automation system with Antex=20 sound cards. All songs in the automation are in stereo.. and yes,=20 they sound wonderful in my pair of Sony MDR-7506 headphones=20 in "program".=20 We kinda fall off when we get to the audio processing. It's some CRL=20 gear... the APP-400, SEP-400A and PMC-450 all in mono. I'd love to=20 get a new Orban processor, but money is really tight for us right=20 now.=20 We go about 30-feet to our Harris SX-5A solid state transmitter.=20 Please understand that when I bought this station 6 years ago, the=20 transmitter was running about 1200 watts at about 60% modulation.=20 Nearly everything they played came from a cassette. You could hear=20 the statoin about 3/10 of a mile away, then it just faded out. Oh=20 brother... anyway, I got it back up to 5kW and modulation up to 99%=20 neg and 124% pos. I'm very curious as to what it would take to upgrade to stereo. If=20 you check us on the FCC website, you'll see that we have a CP to do=20 10kW day and 10w night from a two tower directional array. I'll keep=20 you updated on that.=20 Not sure what kind of transmitter we will go to with the 10kW upgrade- -I'm trying to work that out right now.=20 And, to the one who has the equipment for sale, I will most likely=20 email you off the group. Thanks again for all the input and response. Like I said before, I'm=20 not an engineer, I just play one on TV. Jeff Raynor WXMY Radio Saltville, VA=20 =20 From tomray@wor710.com Thu Jan 04 10:12:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37300 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2007 18:10:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2007 18:10:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.10) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2007 18:10:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 18:06:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 18:06:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 18:06:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo Receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=i7mHZfYX_XfY-BeE-NLkt_mVla8q_Hq73CgISqZjIF19xvuo X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > Then I wonder: If it is not a secret the digital IBOC, HD, Ibiquity,=20 > DRM, etc. system doesn't work in the AM band, Why the NAB doesn't push=20 > the AM tuner makers to get back to the high quality C-QUAM AM Stereo=20 > at a low price? Because the NAB is interested in moving radio into the FUTURE, not keeping it in the past.=20=20 >=20 > I wonder if the NAB has enough power to do that. I wonder if the NAB=20 > is enough united with itself (all the NAB members with only one target=20 > in mind). I wonder that because here, in Chile, our ARCHI (chilean=20 > NAB) is enough united with some topics, but others.... I'm not sure if=20 > ARCHI would be able to get that kind of agreement. At least, I'll try=20 > to get it the next ARCHI meeting. Will the NAB be able to get it? I=20 > hope: YES!!! With CES next week and the introduction of at least one portable HD radio that I know of (and expect to have one of these to play with in the next month or so), don't count on it. The manufacturers are also looking to move forward. Tom Ray WOR =20 From tomray@wor710.com Thu Jan 04 10:14:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85126 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2007 18:00:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2007 18:00:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.215) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2007 18:00:42 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 17:59:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 17:59:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 17:59:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 17:59:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: AM IBOC Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=7yLgaKT6itmYIaHQY6ll5V1JY8NwizYkG_ulYt0ICi0bvWoG X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray I don't know if it's the processing or the STL or what....but something is not right with their HD installation. Our audio doesn't flutter like that...nor does the audio on the other HD AM stations in NYC. Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "missing_kskd"=20 > wrote: > > > > Greets all! > >=20 > > Samples from various content delivery technologies, including an AM > > IBOC recording direct from the radio, can be found here: > >=20 > > http://www.opengeek.org/2005/03/hd-radio-analog-fm-mp3-and-ogg- > audio.html > >=20 >=20 > THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE SAMPLES!!! >=20 > I hope all the forum members hear your samples. >=20 > I have only a question: IS IT (the AM IBOC samples) THE AVERAGE USA=20 > AM IBOC AUDIO QUALITY? >=20 > I heard an AM IBOC test here, in Chile, last year and I thought it=20 > sounded bad due to the chilean electronic level. With your samples,=20 > now it seems to me IS THE IBOC SYSTEM THE PROBLEM!!! >=20 > I insist is a very DIGITAL audio (pixelated audio, like the=20 > pixelated "digital" television). >=20 > It sounds like an Internet RealPlayer audio stream... so digital=20 > compressed and ugly!!! >=20 > I don't like the C-QUAM AM Stereo theory but I have to admit my=20 > Philips C-QUAM AM Stereo tuner sounds very, very, very, too much=20 > better than your HD samples, even when you tune a mono station. >=20 > LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AUDIO!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Jan 04 14:11:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78698 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2007 22:08:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2007 22:08:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2007 22:08:43 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.163.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.163] helo=PossumHunter) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H2adv-0004OK-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 04 Jan 2007 17:01:00 -0500 Message-ID: <034201c7304b$d0b40e50$c9f9eb04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 17:00:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM IBOC Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=gSvkaJKNgeIB33sIlmyrxkbaBPrquvbQs2rg0Zav7rra4mfl2q5eqBXlrc3ECQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jotape1960 wrote: >I have only a question: IS IT (the AM IBOC samples) THE AVERAGE USA AM IBOC AUDIO QUALITY? Gee that is even a worse example than we get in Florida. For a better quality sample of AM HD-Radio give a listen to these: http://web.archive.org/web/20040614053217/www.wor710.com/Engineering/iboc/audio_samples.htm or http://tinyurl.com/yfacjr Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Jan 04 15:19:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90461 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2007 23:06:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2007 23:06:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2007 23:06:03 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.104.90.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.104.90] helo=PossumHunter) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H2bOf-00030H-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 04 Jan 2007 17:49:17 -0500 Message-ID: <03b401c73052$8fce1e10$c9f9eb04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 17:49:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo Receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=kBTc7Tjd5LVZynHQ5s8_1C-IadDGs4OEcLACypVfR-9tvAHAHPLREp4uG5yRnw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 "jotape1960" wrote: > Why the NAB doesn't push the AM tuner makers to get back to the high > quality C-QUAM AM Stereo at a low price? The NAB did this with AMAX. Only 1 car radio, 2 portables, and 2 home tuners were produced wearing the AMAX badge. Now only one full production and one hand-built tuner wears the Amax logo. It was a flop. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jan 04 15:31:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49569 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2007 23:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2007 23:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2007 23:22:25 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 23:20:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 23:20:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 23:20:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.19.200 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo Receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=odknZX5iICnMLcHIeT6LlzCrFw2IS2KkciRK7GJ3OqL6PLE- X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > HI GANG!!! >=20 > According to more than one guy in this forum had commented, it's=20 > impossible to get a good C-QUAM AM Stereo tuner (car or home) with=20 a=20 > price less than US$ 1800 today (with the exception of Meduci AMAX),=20 > Right? Only in retail. Not impossible if you knnow where, and how, to look.=20 You can get Japanese radios from places like AudioCubes.com, or=20 directly from some Japanese online retailers. (There are still some 4=20 or 5 manufacturers of AM stereo gear in Japan, none of which are=20 exported from Japan for other AMS markets, unfortunately. AudioCubes=20 only lists the three Sony portables.) > Then I wonder: If it is not a secret the digital IBOC, HD,=20 Ibiquity,=20 > DRM, etc. system doesn't work in the AM band, Why the NAB doesn't=20 push=20 > the AM tuner makers to get back to the high quality C-QUAM AM=20 Stereo=20 > at a low price? First off DRM is not IBOC, although IBOC is officially part of the=20 DRM standard. They're two separate beasts. (At least DRM CAN be=20 experimented with, unlike IBOC- A major reason why the industry here=20 in America prefers IBOC, so it keeps the riff-raff experimentors out=20 of the picture.) As for implementing C-QUAM in receivers, if the radio manufacturers=20 were willing to spend 5 minutes on an inexpensive design (you really=20 don't NEED much to make a stereo AM section- a chip, a few capacitors=20 and resistors- Cost them less than one US dollar to do at the=20 plant!), we could have AM stereo on the shelves. They don't want to=20 even do that! AM is not "important", and they're not really=20 interested in FM, either- Just get a $5 (retail- if THAT!) radio out=20 on the market and be done with it. Radio is a complete afterthought=20 for many electronics manufacturers. (Begs the question "what ISN'T?",=20 considerng the broad range of electronic crap out there at almost=20 every level...) > I wonder if the NAB has enough power to do that. I wonder if the=20 NAB=20 > is enough united with itself (all the NAB members with only one=20 target=20 > in mind). I wonder that because here, in Chile, our ARCHI (chilean=20 > NAB) is enough united with some topics, but others.... I'm not sure=20 if=20 > ARCHI would be able to get that kind of agreement. At least, I'll=20 try=20 > to get it the next ARCHI meeting. Will the NAB be able to get it? I=20 > hope: YES!!! NAB is almost exclusively industry-side, and right now, industry=20 wants IBOC-- Not for the quality, mind you, but strictly for the=20 money...and mostly in the business-to-business model. The consumer=20 isn't important anymore. It used to be so different, but that was=20 before my lifetime, when NAB insisted on quality standards in=20 broadcasting that was the best compromise between high fidelity and=20 adjacent-channel interference. The only REAL hope for AM stereo is at the grass-roots level- The=20 experimentors, the individual broadcasters, the entrepreneurs who=20 build their own and sell them-- Anyone outside the corporate sphere=20 who are willing to take the plunge. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jan 04 15:44:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41099 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2007 23:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2007 23:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.119) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2007 23:34:33 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 23:34:31 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 23:34:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 23:34:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 23:34:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <03b401c73052$8fce1e10$c9f9eb04@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.119 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.19.200 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo Receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=PTvyIaHlGiISDZ9yV8591V860cAOAWUyslAPhE8cKCC1_8Sk X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > "jotape1960" wrote: > > Why the NAB doesn't push the AM tuner makers to get back to the=20 high=20 > > quality C-QUAM AM Stereo at a low price? >=20 > The NAB did this with AMAX. Only 1 car radio, 2 portables, and 2=20 home tuners=20 > were produced wearing the AMAX badge. Now only one full production=20 and one=20 > hand-built tuner wears the Amax logo. It was a flop. From my understanding, AMAX wasn't developed by NAB, but by an=20 independent group that put up the money for the promotion and the=20 cost of registering two service marks- The organisation is long gone,=20 now, and the two service marks are considered "DEAD" at the US Patent=20 & Trademark Office. http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=3Ddoc&state=3Dn64d5l.2.8 http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=3Ddoc&state=3Dn64d5l.2.9 Right now, only two radios stand with the AMAX service marks- The=20 Fanfare FT100 series and the Meduci AMX-2000. If either were willing to buy the trademarks from the USPTO, they=20 could. It's only $250 to register each tradedmark, last I checked. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jan 04 16:00:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96177 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2007 00:00:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2007 00:00:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.205) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2007 00:00:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 23:58:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2007 23:58:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 23:58:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.19.200 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo Receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=AgfYAbAXRbfPBfZ8l2x37H_z7SIJshUkEkusyP_F5umnld3v X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Update on the AMAX trademark URLs (those were old session URLs in my=20 previous post): http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=3Dserial&entry=3D74212367 http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=3Dserial&entry=3D74212366 Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Jan 04 17:28:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38673 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2007 01:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2007 01:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2007 01:26:27 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.192]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 143818916 for ; Thu, 04 Jan 2007 19:24:16 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701c73068$cd831380$d503fea9@stodd> To: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 19:28:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 2, in=6, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.192 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Alfredo power upgrade X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=vg4HyFCpOt5MadMBRl3XN308cmNB-vqUkBzagw3UkrsKO0BX3agg X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know what Chris did to boost the power of the last several runs of the Alfredo Lite? I emailed him but he must be pretty busy as he hasn't gotten back to me, and I figured I'd ask if anyone here knew the answer before pestering him again. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Jan 04 21:22:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32359 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2007 05:22:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2007 05:22:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.105) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2007 05:22:42 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n10.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2007 05:22:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2007 05:22:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2007 05:22:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 05:22:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.105 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.78 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Original 1992 Motorola C-QUAM Booklet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=zZIZZKNZvhM961GAdYLkbJ5xmFbG75cc9q-CDtB3CPHJTEQlgw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI GANG!!! I scanned the original 1992 Motorola C-QUAM booklet as an standard=20 Microsoft Word file and I want to put it into the forum files folder=20 (I think it's a very good historical material) but... when I try to=20 update it, I just get the message: "The disk space allotted for this=20 community is not big enough for your file." Can somebody does something to fix it? A curious thing about C-QUAM is that booklet was printed between=20 1985 and 1995, but the last time I saw some C-QUAM AM Stereo=20 equipment was in the 1997 Harris Catalogue. From that date it would=20 seem as the AM Stereo was dead. Why did it die too soon? IF ALL THE SERIOUS AM WORLD BROADCASTERS WOULD AGREE, WE WOULD GET A=20 SERIOUS ANALOG AM STEREO. TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, THE ANALOG AM, MONO or STERO, CAN SOUND ALMOST=20 THE SAME QUALITY LIKE THE ANALOG FM... IF IT WAS NOT FOR THE=20 TUNERS!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From missing_kskd@yahoo.com Thu Jan 04 21:57:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: missing_kskd@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86098 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2007 05:53:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2007 05:53:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.132) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2007 05:53:08 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2007 05:53:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2007 05:53:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2007 05:53:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 05:53:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.173.201.33 From: "missing_kskd" Subject: Re: AM IBOC Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=293595352; y=32Fcbyn1JSTLZ0mdYCyAKIT8gEQsdfWUco17MQagIfkbO1kruEnS X-Yahoo-Profile: missing_kskd --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > I don't know if it's the processing or the STL or what....but > something is not right with their HD installation. Our audio doesn't > flutter like that...nor does the audio on the other HD AM stations in NYC. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR Yep, the WOR samples are better than these.=20=20 Did you guys listen to the first set, or the second set? The latter is better, but still not the quality of the WOR samples. It's our only IBOC. We've got an AMS (KBPS) that sounds fantastic, but low power. There is also a Radio Disney, but it's not that good, both program and sound. ...by flutter, do you mean the underwater artifacts? When were your samples recorded? From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jan 04 21:58:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40597 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2007 05:54:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2007 05:54:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.131) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2007 05:54:34 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2007 05:54:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2007 05:54:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2007 05:54:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 05:54:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.4.171 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Original 1992 Motorola C-QUAM Booklet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=QH02hcN3I_rFDOOv54cA1frsei2oK-BYE1Z7UOgDMevGqPV2 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > HI GANG!!! >=20 > I scanned the original 1992 Motorola C-QUAM booklet as an standard=20 > Microsoft Word file and I want to put it into the forum files=20 folder=20 > (I think it's a very good historical material) but... when I try to=20 > update it, I just get the message: "The disk space allotted for=20 this=20 > community is not big enough for your file." >=20 > Can somebody does something to fix it? Ask the list owner(s). > A curious thing about C-QUAM is that booklet was printed between=20 > 1985 and 1995, but the last time I saw some C-QUAM AM Stereo=20 > equipment was in the 1997 Harris Catalogue. From that date it would=20 > seem as the AM Stereo was dead. Why did it die too soon? Between 1998 and 2000, Radio Shack was selling the Sony SRF-42 pocket=20 AM stereo receiver. This was the first AMAX Stereo-certified receiver=20 sold in the USat the time it was introduced in '93-'94. > IF ALL THE SERIOUS AM WORLD BROADCASTERS WOULD AGREE, WE WOULD GET=20 A=20 > SERIOUS ANALOG AM STEREO. >=20 > TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, THE ANALOG AM, MONO or STERO, CAN SOUND=20 ALMOST=20 > THE SAME QUALITY LIKE THE ANALOG FM... IF IT WAS NOT FOR THE=20 > TUNERS!!! Please don't yell, OK? And as for AM stereo radios, nearly all of=20 them were better than most mono AM receivers then and now. Even the=20 WORST AM stereo receiver was better than most mono AM radios... And=20 I've heard a few bad ones. The exception now is with the two recently- discussed IBOC receivers that have C-QUAM capability- Good, if a bit=20 odd, separation, but horribly narrow- No higths whatsoever. Makes my=20 Aiwa sound crystal clear.... :P And no, I would not trade my Radio Shack/Realistic TM-152, Sony SRF- A100, or Aiwa CR-DS805 for anything.... :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Fri Jan 05 08:25:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20441 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2007 16:14:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2007 16:14:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.214) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2007 16:14:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2007 16:11:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2007 16:11:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 16:11:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.2.34.109 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Chris Cuff Transmitter to Balanced Inputs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=Lq136U6PC5BKE6YihNM-FxrEciClxnu0TOMqWaj-deg7 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I was looking at the original Alfredo Tx and Chris' AL. the input matrix is exactly the same except for the low side of the input being grounded and a input filter only on the hi side. I was thinking if i bypass the input filter and unground the low side along with lowering the input gain i'll have Balanced inputs. Any comments??? I have a 1RU metal project box with rack ears on it. I want to put the AL in there with a good regulated and filtered supply and a SO-239, XLR Connectors and a Power Switch with a power lamp. I figure i don't need input filters as i'm using the CRL AMS processor chain. the SPP,SEP,SMP Series :) I too have tried to email chris with no response. he must be really busy. Thanks, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis From tomray@wor710.com Fri Jan 05 09:41:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75526 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2007 17:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2007 17:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.186) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2007 17:37:05 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n5.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2007 17:35:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2007 17:35:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2007 17:35:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 17:35:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: AM IBOC Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=PnA8SByAxSiIUtq6KwZLgmlyHXcSwosmiwfcPlBXgG5syqJe X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "missing_kskd" wrote: > >=20 > ...by flutter, do you mean the underwater artifacts? >=20 > When were your samples recorded? > Yeah. I call the underwater artifacts flutter....that's what it sounds like to me. These samples were recorded a few years ago. We now have completely digital studios that are completely stereo, and a brand new transmitter facility. I'll see if I can make some recordings in the next week or so with samples of dry voice, stereo spots (like the Broadway show spots we get) and bumper music. I need to interface the DAT digitally to the Day Sequerra rather than downconverting. Tom Ray WOR From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jan 05 10:25:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48280 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2007 18:19:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2007 18:19:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2007 18:19:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 44869 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jan 2007 18:18:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wjkmEQUVM1mfL31EKD3p_Rf3lTfzyXLhU96iMJtOGFZ7GSxqVW221dEUQrSQiWYB24MPUUGSUqQyk4tF69Dc6ayrviDBUwto_i7ou2rr7FcZ55_dxgTCUclKhVMJ6lZVCEvQppK2Ow-- Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 10:18:22 PST Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 10:18:22 -0800 (PST) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <865620.44742.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: J&R B.A. Receptor 1 day sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=aYFfpmICm7_5kJ1-2nvQvr5e-LO8ajMnKTCN1MNc31nTFJxNkzIRv6E X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio J&R has a one-day only sale ($149) for the BA Receptor: http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=3994284&JRSource=chemail.fridaySale.010507 Does this buy do CQuam on AM too, or not? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jjlehmann@comcast.net Fri Jan 05 13:08:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39441 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2007 21:08:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2007 21:08:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO alnrmhc13.comcast.net) (204.127.225.93) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2007 21:08:15 -0000 Received: from dhpp0db1 (c-24-218-84-51.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.218.84.51]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc13) with SMTP id <20070105210517b1300qb24ee>; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 21:05:18 +0000 To: Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 16:05:18 -0500 Message-ID: <002b01c7310d$34b7dff0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <865620.44742.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: Accw9vAA58H3+4yHQBu4KJAghjxyaAAFSGQg X-Originating-IP: 204.127.225.93 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} J&R B.A. Receptor 1 day sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394; y=ORZiv7T3wA4Di4jX8JkMZHPRwHbnw1ZPKZnI-tW7Rfw X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn > J&R has a one-day only sale ($149) for the BA Receptor: > http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=3994284&JRSource=chemail.fri daySale.010507 > Does this buy do CQuam on AM too, or not? The BA Recepter that I have does not have AM Stereo. I bought it back in April, so I'm not sure if there's different versions like there appears to be with the Accurian. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Jan 05 15:14:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51731 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2007 23:11:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2007 23:11:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.111) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2007 23:11:12 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n12.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2007 23:11:08 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2007 23:11:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2007 23:11:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 23:11:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.111 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.58 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Original 1992 Motorola C-QUAM Booklet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=ywz_r0SXCiLPv_RD_9oRDAsdsx3NYtnoZEBm7opyKtydKQ89KA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 > wrote: > > > > HI GANG!!! > >=20 > > I scanned the original 1992 Motorola C-QUAM booklet as an=20 standard=20 > > Microsoft Word file and I want to put it into the forum files=20 > folder=20 > > (I think it's a very good historical material) but... when I try=20 to=20 > > update it, I just get the message: "The disk space allotted for=20 > this=20 > > community is not big enough for your file." > >=20 > > Can somebody does something to fix it? >=20 > Ask the list owner(s). >=20 > > A curious thing about C-QUAM is that booklet was printed between=20 > > 1985 and 1995, but the last time I saw some C-QUAM AM Stereo=20 > > equipment was in the 1997 Harris Catalogue. From that date it=20 would=20 > > seem as the AM Stereo was dead. Why did it die too soon? >=20 > Between 1998 and 2000, Radio Shack was selling the Sony SRF-42=20 pocket=20 > AM stereo receiver. This was the first AMAX Stereo-certified=20 receiver=20 > sold in the USat the time it was introduced in '93-'94. >=20 > > IF ALL THE SERIOUS AM WORLD BROADCASTERS WOULD AGREE, WE WOULD=20 GET=20 > A=20 > > SERIOUS ANALOG AM STEREO. > >=20 > > TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, THE ANALOG AM, MONO or STERO, CAN SOUND=20 > ALMOST=20 > > THE SAME QUALITY LIKE THE ANALOG FM... IF IT WAS NOT FOR THE=20 > > TUNERS!!! >=20 > Please don't yell, OK? And as for AM stereo radios, nearly all of=20 > them were better than most mono AM receivers then and now. Even=20 the=20 > WORST AM stereo receiver was better than most mono AM radios...=20 And=20 > I've heard a few bad ones. The exception now is with the two=20 recently- > discussed IBOC receivers that have C-QUAM capability- Good, if a=20 bit=20 > odd, separation, but horribly narrow- No higths whatsoever. Makes=20 my=20 > Aiwa sound crystal clear.... :P >=20 > And no, I would not trade my Radio Shack/Realistic TM-152, Sony=20 SRF- > A100, or Aiwa CR-DS805 for anything.... :) >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Hi Amy!!! Thank you so much for your comments. Please, sorry I didn't want to=20 mean as a "yell". I only wanted to "highlight" the idea. That's all.=20 Sorry. About your Sony SRF-A100... I really love to have one!!! Who don't?=20 How to get Sony back to make it? At last, Did you know a web page who explains, with all details, how=20 to convert a today typical AM tuner (4 kHz audio bandwidth) into a=20 wide 10 kHz audio bandwidth AM tuner? Of course, the paradise would=20 be if you know how to convert an AM Mono tuner into a C-QUAM AM=20 Stereo tuner. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Jan 05 15:32:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64083 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2007 23:26:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2007 23:26:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.218) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2007 23:26:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2007 23:26:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2007 23:26:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 23:26:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.218 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.58 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: AM IBOC Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=_qdIYh6QJy8iz32XijgAWJWYWmzMakdg-NDEd_SpQmqDBkeSPA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "missing_kskd" > wrote: > > >=20 > >=20 > > ...by flutter, do you mean the underwater artifacts? > >=20 > > When were your samples recorded? > > >=20 > Yeah. I call the underwater artifacts flutter....that's what it > sounds like to me. >=20 > These samples were recorded a few years ago. We now have=20 completely > digital studios that are completely stereo, and a brand new > transmitter facility. I'll see if I can make some recordings in=20 the > next week or so with samples of dry voice, stereo spots (like the > Broadway show spots we get) and bumper music. I need to interface=20 the > DAT digitally to the Day Sequerra rather than downconverting. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > My humble opinion is: it isn't a good idea to try to interface two=20 digital devices with different sample rates (the case between an HD=20 Tuner and a DAT or other digital recorder). Knowing the risk to be treated as a complete idiot, I'm convinced=20 the best way to do it is to use the ANALOG audio output of one=20 device and put it into the ANALOG audio input of the other device.=20 OK, there will be some loss, yes, but that loss will be less=20 noticeable than the typical digital artifacts due to the=20 down/upconverting process. Despite the obvious fact that a "*.wav" file is larger than=20 an "*.MP3" file, I'll thank you if your new samples were pure,=20 uncompressed, "*.wav" files, ok? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Jan 05 16:20:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60277 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 00:15:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2007 00:15:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 00:15:36 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.106.75.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.106.75] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H2zB3-000587-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:12:49 -0500 Message-ID: <00df01c73127$64f2d570$746f5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 19:09:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM IBOC Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=rNhVKjuH_J5fAxkm2U7kO73k-P6k3i9hkmg_OoeX9SfiAxjf-ekdtaqM9kYzgg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: > I'll see if I can make some recordings in the next week or so with samples > of dry voice, stereo spots (like the Broadway show spots we get) and > bumper music. Kewl Beans! I can't get enough signal on any AM of HD-Radio to decode. I will try to catch some critical hours Skywave from WLAC. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jan 05 16:28:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24368 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 00:26:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2007 00:26:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52209.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.132) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 00:26:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 25778 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jan 2007 00:25:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .pGieEgVM1l8f829S52go1Ad3hAO8Ed8PIkO16zHgvL1tcl2NqgMGkmRdEI.enDFGLyXgcsesOtrfkUkrdY5URKBHOKQvQxOOvkrnJXGTS3umtlgNxV55oiPvGsICt3OCOZc3MYTHWNd2IA- Received: from [12.76.217.37] by web52209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 16:25:45 PST Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 16:25:45 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00df01c73127$64f2d570$746f5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <457724.25141.qm@web52209.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM IBOC Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=OhmwPWXoHGRBhp8w3VgOKVKj2_a628HBXRZOBQjFlsI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Tom Ray wrote: > > I'll see if I can make some recordings in the next > week or so with samples > > of dry voice, stereo spots (like the Broadway show > spots we get) and > > bumper music. > > Kewl Beans! > > I can't get enough signal on any AM of HD-Radio to > decode. I will try to > catch some critical hours Skywave from WLAC. WLAC was so strong this evening...WLAC's IBOC was annoying a very strong WCKY....second adjacent. Powell NNNN! From amfmtech@yahoo.com Fri Jan 05 17:53:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84113 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 01:47:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2007 01:47:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56805.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.79) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 01:47:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 29315 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jan 2007 01:47:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: AVzHKhoVM1kI0fHQBcvGlxX7qn0P8lRJgpnhM4OwHtZlb0rHzT4PeVTB0CnyM8pz1Tlo8N0bC8ZJiIzoFjU28S49o1lSMVGDqkD4hGRm7kFKjEAfCGiYzpHPbYcNclihrs85tRXc6vxwPWY- Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56805.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 17:47:27 PST Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 17:47:27 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <239287.28909.qm@web56805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.79 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The end of analog X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=KDahG3VsFQbFQaD5nSONnQm0kZlO_7iVIIHQGK5xiJ-CcMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you do an MP3, make sure that it's a very high bit rate, in the order of= 320k. =20=20=20 ...Harold jotape1960 wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Harold Richards=20 wrote: > > My problem with digital is that it's sold to be better quality.=20 Those of you old enough to remember the NAB campaign in the sixties to=20 get more listeners to FM, based their argument on the audio quality=20 being "HI-FI" on FM than AM.=20 >=20 I absolutely agree with you!!! But, as a free service to the forum, CAN SOMEBODY PUT AN MP3 FILE,=20 CAPTURED DIRECTLY FROM AN IBOC AM TUNER, WITH A TODAY USA IBOC AM=20 STATION SIGNAL, PLEASE? Just to compare it with the C-QUAM files. Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Jan 05 18:11:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42654 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 02:04:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2007 02:04:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 02:04:04 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.106.75.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.106.75] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H30tr-0004As-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:03:12 -0500 Message-ID: <01df01c73136$d047a620$746f5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <239287.28909.qm@web56805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 21:03:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The end of analog X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=D2ueSXgxaR8DPxoGbeinjPiQSG77eG2ynGilCamPVtJ2E_bA1b6EYivQszA2NQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Harold Richards wrote: >Those of you old enough to remember the NAB campaign in the sixties to get >more listeners to FM, based their argument on the audio quality being >"HI-FI" on FM than AM. The TRUTH was before NRSC, AM could go to 20kHz and BEYOND. FM Stereo was limitted to 15kHz to protect the pilot tone. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From amfmtech@yahoo.com Fri Jan 05 18:32:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55473 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 02:19:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2007 02:19:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56812.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.86) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 02:19:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 45323 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jan 2007 02:19:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: A5wa158VM1l61yDsepoYHG3UpWZCrWHSgS83A8VB6Nsx6xkkmZ3D0_6YtILIgfVo1pSOWpAoSMxW50864wypD_HAcF1S2v7HyoCi7B9OXadI9t5BitaBG82TboMYRCj9grQ.glXlwfE6Px4PSZBQZc78Aw-- Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56812.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 18:19:11 PST Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 18:19:11 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <239287.28909.qm@web56805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <302139.44973.qm@web56812.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: WLAC v. WCKY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=ZVh2PWz8ov2cRAS0MiDWatnMzSwpEqa5iQJWwoCwPGUBY-k X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Powell, you stated; "WLAC was so strong this evening...WLAC's IBOC was annoying a very strong WCKY....second adjacent." That would be impossible as all the known technical authorities on the subject of In Band On Channel have told us that the sound of interference is only an artifact of our ancient radio technology. Perhaps you, and I, better get with the program and ramp up and quit playing around with our spark gap type technology. It's my understanding that the reason for this artifact, that is improperly called interference, is that we're too cheap to update our receiver inventory. Yours in dry humor, ...Harold __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmtech@yahoo.com Fri Jan 05 18:37:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72810 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 02:31:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2007 02:31:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56806.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.80) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 02:31:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 24100 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jan 2007 02:31:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: x019YSoVM1mVii8PqH_DnZHMu7t8xMa9hONN9927xrewfGsAmKNVqVnOlfL8qKgsrgk.EotVaFlCICKs_R8job9QXMHZFxIasRqrqn4XwKpDWtQu.IsRmv0yZCgoJU66BkAOw2OrU19X0aJgqbyNt53v Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56806.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 18:31:42 PST Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 18:31:42 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <01df01c73136$d047a620$746f5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <28750.23992.qm@web56806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.80 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The end of analog X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=CUZ_732pcX3f5I8DwuVQvQVnzTJczHFncbUxVHVHHmcgrmk X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When I worked in Detroit in the mid 60s there was a radio station with the call sign of WQTE on 560 in Monroe, Michigan. It was a 500 watt daytimer. It had what we call a beautiful music format. Although I worked for the ABC station, I did have WQTE on my pushbutton on the car radio pushbutton. I also had a Brunswick console AM/FM/Phono at home in the living room connected to external antennas. It consisted of a 12" woofer, and 5" mid/tweeter. If the signal strength was good enough, and not impacted by skip in critical hours, WQTE's audio signal was as HI FI as several FM stations in the metro area. I'm sure numerically the proof numbers would indicate some difference in frequency response, distortion, and noise. But to the trained engineering ear there was little difference. AM did sound good at one time. The physics didn't change. Man changed it. And man is diddling with it again. ...Harold Possum Hunter wrote: Harold Richards wrote: >Those of you old enough to remember the NAB campaign in the sixties to get >more listeners to FM, based their argument on the audio quality being >"HI-FI" on FM than AM. The TRUTH was before NRSC, AM could go to 20kHz and BEYOND. FM Stereo was limitted to 15kHz to protect the pilot tone. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jan 05 18:57:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8926 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 02:56:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2007 02:56:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52202.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.125) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 02:56:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 77773 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jan 2007 02:54:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XyuZA.UVM1mlBJu1VTflv9Mscc1AggHdeQjD.4yCy4bibgGw4_5kkEVXSy9gz2tfx53WI9QCf2K52m1BxdRuGnNprvT_3Xj_Kvsg_uHSmnfPG2SQdXOEC9p9tWTJYLFUcQFL806DCXtcQhU- Received: from [12.76.217.129] by web52202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 18:54:58 PST Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 18:54:58 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <302139.44973.qm@web56812.mail.re3.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <198561.76004.qm@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.125 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLAC v. WCKY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=bkzomdrD7YqIo2lQbWPHRcYEoyZud6SbCa123FyZShw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Harold Richards wrote: > > Powell, you stated; > > "WLAC was so strong this evening...WLAC's IBOC was > annoying a very strong WCKY....second adjacent." > That would be impossible as all the known > technical authorities on the subject of In Band On > Channel have told us that the sound of interference > is only an artifact of our ancient radio technology. > Perhaps you, and I, better get with the program and > ramp up and quit playing around with our spark gap > type technology. It's my understanding that the > reason for this artifact, that is improperly called > interference, is that we're too cheap to update our > receiver inventory. > > Yours in dry humor, > ...Harold I wonder if WLAC's IBOC interferes with WCKY's IBOC. IF I didn't have such awful line noise at Silverstreet, WLAC would decode most of the time. Powell NNNN! From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Jan 05 19:53:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9228 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 03:46:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2007 03:46:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 03:46:46 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.106]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 143327244 for ; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:44:55 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <007601c73145$9f62b860$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 21:49:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 15, in=14, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.106 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chris Cuff Transmitter to Balanced Inputs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=Vlb_G86hQ55Tg83-YKmZrUd9C3A5lE1Q0sRzQ-vJugrbDJKj0MaD X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Last I knew, Chris's parents were in poor health and he was taking care of them. Didn't help that he had a job change last year either. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kc8gpd" > I too have tried to email chris with no response. he must be really busy. > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Jan 05 19:55:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21397 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 03:44:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2007 03:44:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 03:44:30 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.106]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 144009250 for ; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:43:36 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <006801c73145$70788700$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 21:47:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 14, in=10, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.106 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Original 1992 Motorola C-QUAM Booklet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=p1hIe0HNlX8E--WSL0lx2q8M45qwv8RaLYJhadqaJkLMNKE8ENZT X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude We could just about use a FAQ page. Seems like everytime we get a newcomer they always ask that question. In short, the FCC did propose a standard back in the early 80s, a system developed by Magnavox. Most broadcast engineers hated it, however, as it created pops in the audio as negative modulation approached 95%. No doubt the Magnavox engineers were thinking mostly in terms of the receiver side of things rather than the broadcasters. Plus there was the developer of a competing system, Leonard Kahn. The man is both brilliant and his own worst enemy. He threatened all sorts of litigation and proposed a "let the marketplace decide" solution, thinking that most stations would choose his system, and the FCC let him have his way. Multimode receivers, however, given the mid 80s technology, were expensive and few were ever produced since there was such a high parts count. Receiver manufacturers didn't want to take the chance of building radios for the wrong system nor did they want to risk the wrath of Kahn. Motorola became the defacto standard because they marketed their system so well, and because they also made their own chips and made them available so cheaply. As for widening a radio, a lot depends upon what's used in the IF. If they used a ceramic resonator, all you'd have to do is find a wider bandwidth one. If it uses multiple IF cans, the solution is to stagger-tune the IF transformers for better bandwidth. You'll lose some sensitivity doing that, however. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" A curious thing about C-QUAM is that booklet was printed between 1985 and 1995, but the last time I saw some C-QUAM AM Stereo equipment was in the 1997 Harris Catalogue. From that date it would seem as the AM Stereo was dead. Why did it die too soon? and At last, Did you know a web page who explains, with all details, how to convert a today typical AM tuner (4 kHz audio bandwidth) into a wide 10 kHz audio bandwidth AM tuner? Of course, the paradise would be if you know how to convert an AM Mono tuner into a C-QUAM AM Stereo tuner. From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Jan 05 21:03:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82940 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 05:03:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2007 05:03:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.29) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 05:03:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 29132 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jan 2007 05:03:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zB4iQZcVM1mnFMWiVJGpwCyPV34UXtXkyx37a3lE4BVtcgzpJPPrRsLZdnjxyw491ueBAzz1GErnMv2x2r4Uw7aNuEgDii.iYWFfYFwxgi246a9aYhtDrUWuevQxx9fmrua0WWxH Received: from [72.147.62.34] by web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:03:16 PST Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 21:03:16 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <239287.28909.qm@web56805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <8024.27878.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The end of analog X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=0g5bcxu0MQS100vJE4CjrfbfZJHi0RVqBpXgltRGK7iuSeB6eTgr X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Harold even at 320 it's nowhere near a CD's bit rate of 1142 ! --- Harold Richards wrote: > If you do an MP3, make sure that it's a very high > bit rate, in the order of 320k. > > ...Harold > > jotape1960 wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Harold > Richards > wrote: > > > > My problem with digital is that it's sold to be > better quality. > Those of you old enough to remember the NAB campaign > in the sixties to > get more listeners to FM, based their argument on > the audio quality > being "HI-FI" on FM than AM. > > > > I absolutely agree with you!!! > > But, as a free service to the forum, CAN SOMEBODY > PUT AN MP3 FILE, > CAPTURED DIRECTLY FROM AN IBOC AM TUNER, WITH A > TODAY USA IBOC AM > STATION SIGNAL, PLEASE? Just to compare it with the > C-QUAM files. > > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Fri Jan 05 22:36:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64857 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 06:34:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2007 06:34:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.21) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 06:34:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 06:33:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 06:33:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 06:33:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.2.150.69 From: "apolloheatshield" Subject: Re: Original 1992 Motorola C-QUAM Booklet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=G4X2ZQI6H6bydSEodAXGr6nAkNCYkYd0J60ZcJgtDA_oV_KCsL644DGN X-Yahoo-Profile: apolloheatshield And as for AM stereo radios, nearly all of=20 > them were better than most mono AM receivers then and now. Even the=20 > WORST AM stereo receiver was better than most mono AM radios... And=20 > I've heard a few bad ones. The exception now is with the two recently- > discussed IBOC receivers that have C-QUAM capability- Good, if a bit=20 > odd, separation, but horribly narrow- No higths whatsoever. Makes my=20 > Aiwa sound crystal clear.... :P >=20 > And no, I would not trade my Radio Shack/Realistic TM-152, Sony SRF- > A100, or Aiwa CR-DS805 for anything.... :) >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ I concur. My TM-152, Sony SRF-42, Sony CFS-6000 and Sony SRF-A100 aren't going ANYWHERE! Not to mention the Denon TU-680. However, my car radio (Delco AM-Stereo, FM-Stereo, Cassette w/EQ) is going on eBay as soon as I get the replacement radio (w/CD but I don't know if it's in AM-Stereo yet) in there. > From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Fri Jan 05 22:37:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28720 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 06:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2007 06:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 06:34:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 06:32:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 06:32:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 06:32:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.2.150.69 From: "apolloheatshield" Subject: Re: Original 1992 Motorola C-QUAM Booklet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=cjrFrKat5SSjr1nL90-XvC0n2cWbudC26VG9q5XH3S8tL3UKRTMoZJbO X-Yahoo-Profile: apolloheatshield And as for AM stereo radios, nearly all of=20 > them were better than most mono AM receivers then and now. Even the=20 > WORST AM stereo receiver was better than most mono AM radios... And=20 > I've heard a few bad ones. The exception now is with the two recently- > discussed IBOC receivers that have C-QUAM capability- Good, if a bit=20 > odd, separation, but horribly narrow- No higths whatsoever. Makes my=20 > Aiwa sound crystal clear.... :P >=20 > And no, I would not trade my Radio Shack/Realistic TM-152, Sony SRF- > A100, or Aiwa CR-DS805 for anything.... :) >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ I concur. My TM-152, Sony SRF-42, Sony CFS-6000 and Sony SRF-A100 aren't going ANYWHERE! However, my car radio (Delco AM-Stereo, FM-Stereo, Cassette w/EQ) is going on eBay as soon as I get the replacement radio (w/CD but I don't know if it's in AM-Stereo yet) in there. > From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jan 05 23:17:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24103 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 07:15:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2007 07:15:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 07:15:37 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 07:14:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 07:14:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 07:14:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01df01c73136$d047a620$746f5b04@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.4.171 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: The end of analog X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=N6uaJk5CIZFf_SMS9K6MP1o6TxZITJyJmUQNudwnJ1uZBf5o X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > Harold Richards wrote: > >Those of you old enough to remember the NAB campaign in the sixties=20 to get=20 > >more listeners to FM, based their argument on the audio quality=20 being=20 > >"HI-FI" on FM than AM. >=20 > The TRUTH was before NRSC, AM could go to 20kHz and BEYOND. FM Stereo=20 was=20 > limitted to 15kHz to protect the pilot tone. One word: "APEX"! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From tomray@wor710.com Sat Jan 06 05:16:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35837 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 13:13:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2007 13:13:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.183) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 13:13:04 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 13:11:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 13:11:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 13:11:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 13:11:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: AM IBOC Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=xdXDG8Py1XdImVR7-_1vZEixHxovSzLtsFimHB1BGifXxzv2 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > >=20 > My humble opinion is: it isn't a good idea to try to interface two=20 > digital devices with different sample rates (the case between an HD=20 > Tuner and a DAT or other digital recorder). >=20 ????? 44.1 is 44.1. DAT is switchable between a sample rate of 48K and 44.1, and we record any DAT material at 44.1 to be compatible with not only HD but with the CD standard (all of our previous samples were recorded at 44.1 digitally). My issue is interfacing to the digital output of the mod monitor....I haven't had a need to do this before, and I'm not sure how well it's going to work, but we'll find out. Why take it down to analog, then back up again? More chance of errors in the reconversion process. Tom Ray WOR From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jan 06 05:57:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82884 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 13:53:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2007 13:53:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 13:53:48 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.236.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.236] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H3BzU-0002rG-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 08:53:44 -0500 Message-ID: <012501c7319a$1333e080$ec6c5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <302139.44973.qm@web56812.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 08:53:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLAC v. WCKY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=UZXaoghHabpWlYt4Qqxh91pNPTbIrq3ixuGA65a6zdnaHb5QqXLaxMeWdvD7jA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You mean I have to stop using my Marconi Coherer? Gee, what has the World come to? Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Richards" To: Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: {AMSF} WLAC v. WCKY > > Powell, you stated; > > "WLAC was so strong this evening...WLAC's IBOC was annoying a very strong WCKY....second adjacent." > > > That would be impossible as all the known technical authorities on the subject of In Band On Channel have told us that the sound of interference is only an artifact of our ancient radio technology. Perhaps you, and I, better get with the program and ramp up and quit playing around with our spark gap type technology. It's my understanding that the reason for this artifact, that is improperly called interference, is that we're too cheap to update our receiver inventory. > > Yours in dry humor, > ...Harold > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Jan 06 08:13:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61500 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 16:13:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2007 16:13:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 16:13:32 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.36]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 144083432 for ; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 10:05:40 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <003c01c731ad$1b17db40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 10:09:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 14, in=10, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.36 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Original 1992 Motorola C-QUAM Booklet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=V-gtJ2cgwO47XajpzZGkb-e2uBxiIVuNwJyVa0XXT7ehQgzoqlfX X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I spent a lot of time and $$ to put a Mach 460 radio into my Ford Escort- an option never offered for that car. I use a cassette adapter if I want to listen to CDs. Mine seems to work rather well and I'd be hard pressed to want to upgrade to an unknown radio RE- AM stereo but having CD. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "apolloheatshield" > I concur. My TM-152, Sony SRF-42, Sony CFS-6000 and Sony SRF-A100 > aren't going ANYWHERE! However, my car radio (Delco AM-Stereo, > FM-Stereo, Cassette w/EQ) is going on eBay as soon as I get the > replacement radio (w/CD but I don't know if it's in AM-Stereo yet) in > there. > > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Jan 06 08:14:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25664 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 16:09:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2007 16:09:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.112) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 16:09:37 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 16:09:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 16:09:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 16:09:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 16:09:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.126 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: AM IBOC Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=_rbO2aJl5vjMHSssfzJ1BewnGtc6zqlAKhb4dU6w5gkC2DXR6A X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > ????? 44.1 is 44.1. DAT is switchable between a sample rate of=20 48K > and 44.1, and we record any DAT material at 44.1 to be compatible=20 with > not only HD but with the CD standard (all of our previous samples=20 were > recorded at 44.1 digitally). My issue is interfacing to the=20 digital > output of the mod monitor....I haven't had a need to do this=20 before, > and I'm not sure how well it's going to work, but we'll find out.=20=20 Why > take it down to analog, then back up again? More chance of errors=20 in > the reconversion process. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > Yes, you're right, there are DAT machines with more than one input=20 bit rate option, but even so you could get some binary errors. Why to convert to analog? Simple, our human hearing system is so easy to fool. Most of common=20 mistakes due to the conversion/reconversion process are minimized by=20 our brain, who can to interpret what is a good, desired sound and=20 what is a not good, no desired sound. And our brain works so fine=20 with it!!! In the other hand, the digital machines haven't got to=20 learn how to discriminate between the good, desired, and not good,=20 not desired, data. For example: try to type "helo", then run your=20 grammatical corrector and you'll get an error because the word you=20 wanted is "hello" (with two "l"), in other words: the machines can't=20 to understand your intentions so a digital binary mistake... IS A=20 MISTAKE!!! The same way to the digital bitstream of the digital=20 audio: if one machine lost a bit or two... the other machine=20 SOMETIMES can fix it but THE MOST OF CASES the mistake produces a=20 great mess (or noise). Of course, you always have the chance to fix any error with a good=20 software to do it, but... if you use the analog part you avoid the=20 risk (with some loss, maybe). I'm not an enemy of the digital world. I LOVE DIGITAL WORLD!!! I=20 love it in my studio, I love it in my PC, I love it in my CDs but in=20 on air radio? ??? ??? ??? After more than five months reading a lot of comments about the use=20 of digital in AM radio band and knowing some results... mmm...=20 mmm... MMM... I'M NOT CONVINCED ABOUT A REAL ADVANCED TO THE AM=20 STATIONS WITH IBOC!!! Why? Well, so simple: One real advanced to the AM radio band would be: less distortion,=20 less noise, less interference (specially with the adjacent=20 channels), a very good stereo separation, a very flat audio response=20 from 40.00 to 10,000.00 Hz, AND ALL OF THAT WITH A MINIMUM OF=20 INVESTMENT ($$$) TO THE BROADCASTERS AND THE LISTENERS!!! We can get all of that with our today analog TXs and a good=20 maintenance of our antenna systems (specially the tuning box), a=20 good testing and calibrating of our today analog or digital devices=20 and a good merchandising campaign to convince the listeners to buy=20 the best AM tuners!!! AND WITHOUT TO NEED ANY NEW AND SO EXPENSIVE=20 DIGITAL IBOC TX!!! It's my humble opinion. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Jan 06 08:16:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56725 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 16:12:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2007 16:12:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 16:12:22 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.36]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 140896542 for ; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 10:08:00 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201c731ad$6ecd4cc0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 10:12:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 18, in=11, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.36 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The end of analog X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=roZzYQbNTjulM6i1gearpJsV8G5xlcLqJvgWzHHTn5YvjAbsPPTn X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That idea is getting bandied about from time to time even on the engineering tech forums. I've heard it's possible to create enough downward beam tilt that tropospheric bending becomes less of an issue. Problem becomes having to build radios with a whole new band. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > > The TRUTH was before NRSC, AM could go to 20kHz and BEYOND. FM Stereo > was > > limitted to 15kHz to protect the pilot tone. > > One word: "APEX"! From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Jan 06 08:28:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31239 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 16:17:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2007 16:17:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 16:17:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 16:16:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 16:16:49 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 16:16:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006801c73145$70788700$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.126 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Original 1992 Motorola C-QUAM Booklet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=TrJMEl8U2f2xYsmvKtkjwNMSAhK-P_eDiEl8zaBiPqhWaWP7Rw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > We could just about use a FAQ page. Seems like everytime we get a=20 newcomer > they always ask that question. In short, the FCC did propose a=20 standard > back in the early 80s, a system developed by Magnavox. Most=20 broadcast > engineers hated it, however, as it created pops in the audio as=20 negative > modulation approached 95%. No doubt the Magnavox engineers were=20 thinking > mostly in terms of the receiver side of things rather than the=20 broadcasters. > Plus there was the developer of a competing system, Leonard Kahn.=20=20 The man > is both brilliant and his own worst enemy. He threatened all=20 sorts of > litigation and proposed a "let the marketplace decide" solution,=20 thinking > that most stations would choose his system, and the FCC let him=20 have his > way. Multimode receivers, however, given the mid 80s technology,=20 were > expensive and few were ever produced since there was such a high=20 parts > count. Receiver manufacturers didn't want to take the chance of=20 building > radios for the wrong system nor did they want to risk the wrath of=20 Kahn. > Motorola became the defacto standard because they marketed their=20 system so > well, and because they also made their own chips and made them=20 available so > cheaply. >=20 > As for widening a radio, a lot depends upon what's used in the=20 IF. If they > used a ceramic resonator, all you'd have to do is find a wider=20 bandwidth > one. If it uses multiple IF cans, the solution is to stagger-tune=20 the IF > transformers for better bandwidth. You'll lose some sensitivity=20 doing that, > however. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 Thank you so much Todd for your comments!!! But, MAN!!! To change a ceramic resonator or to stagger-tune an IF=20 transformer is a so, so, so, very, very cheap thing!!! Why the AM=20 tuner makers don't do it themselves? Or, it's so cheap to the listeners and so expensive to the=20 makers? ??? ??? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Jan 06 08:30:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12173 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 16:22:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2007 16:22:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 16:22:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 16:22:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 16:22:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 16:22:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.126 From: "jotape1960" Subject: A letter to the forum group administrator(s) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=vs8u0poEcD5jlDjWfpkOCrMpZplZSjXY1xuA9SmhIkUBVv6EOw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! We need to enlarge the files capacity. If we want to upload a new=20 large file (audio, graphics, or other), we only get a message about=20 the forum group files memory is full. Can you fix it please? Thanks for your time. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Jan 06 08:45:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84744 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 16:45:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2007 16:45:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 16:45:07 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 16:44:00 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 16:44:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 16:44:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 16:43:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <28750.23992.qm@web56806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.25 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: The end of analog X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=V8zxlDuOYaPgaBg2Yg61mc0dFdQ59MR-lXBj4UPmM7ShMog_Zg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Harold Richards =20 wrote: > > When I worked in Detroit in the mid 60s there was a radio station=20 with the call sign of WQTE on 560 in Monroe, Michigan. It was a 500=20 watt daytimer. It had what we call a beautiful music format. >=20=20=20=20 > Although I worked for the ABC station, I did have WQTE on my=20 pushbutton on the car radio pushbutton. I also had a Brunswick=20 console AM/FM/Phono at home in the living room connected to external=20 antennas. It consisted of a 12" woofer, and 5" mid/tweeter. >=20=20=20=20 > If the signal strength was good enough, and not impacted by skip=20 in critical hours, WQTE's audio signal was as HI FI as several FM=20 stations in the metro area. >=20=20=20=20 > I'm sure numerically the proof numbers would indicate some=20 difference in frequency response, distortion, and noise. But to the=20 trained engineering ear there was little difference. >=20=20=20=20 > AM did sound good at one time. The physics didn't change. Man=20 changed it. And man is diddling with it again. >=20=20=20=20 > ...Harold >=20=20=20 I absolutely agree with you, Harold. We are a very little AM station, 1KW carrier power, country/rural=20 mostly audience market. We have an old "McMartin BA-2.5K" TX (with=20 four 4-1000 vaccum tubes) and a full analog audio chain from the=20 studio to the TX. Of course, we don't get C-QUAM stereo, because I'm=20 not sure if the TX could pass the minimal C-QUAM need. Believe it or not, we have less than 1% of distortion, a flat audio=20 response from 50.00 to 9,000.00 Hz and we are into all the FCC and=20 chilean rules about co-channel interferences (antenna bandwidth). We only have some problems with our TX place neighbourhood because=20 the AM signal is on their telephone lines all the time, as a good=20 background music of course, hahahaha!!! Yes, the AM radio can sound the same, or better, than the FM. LONG LIFE TO THE AM!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jan 06 09:00:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92030 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 16:57:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2007 16:57:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 16:57:10 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.109.127.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.109.127] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H3EmX-0001O5-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 11:52:34 -0500 Message-ID: <01dd01c731b3$0e3cc880$ec6c5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 11:52:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The end of analog X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=NRd0-jFREqfEHs8LzhBIrLp9cHtxwQ5TluESy-tBz3T2S3HAtKNlG2E4_MQysA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jotape1960 wrote: >We have an old "McMartin BA-2.5K" TX (with four 4-1000 vaccum tubes) and a >full analog audio chain from the studio to the TX. Of course, we don't get >C-QUAM stereo, because I'm not sure if the TX could pass the minimal C-QUAM >need. It is no problem at all to convert the BA2.5K to Stereo, but installing a new Solid State transmitter would pay for itself in electrical savings. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jan 06 09:23:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84528 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 17:23:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2007 17:23:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.33) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 17:23:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 17:22:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 17:22:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 17:22:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.206.17 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: A letter to the forum group administrator(s) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=xIf4xw92VbH9eya_GfadwWDoq3iy1QTxFGP6hx6hhmuaSYLvlA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > We need to enlarge the files capacity. If we want to upload a new=20 > large file (audio, graphics, or other), we only get a message about=20 > the forum group files memory is full. >=20 > Can you fix it please? We are only allocated 20 MB of space for files. I just removed the=20 largest file, which was taking up over 3 MB and was uploaded in 2004,=20 so hopefully everyone had a chance to download it by now. These is=20 now about 4 MB of free space in the Files section. If you need more,=20 let me know, and I'll see what else I can do. You can also use this site to upload large files: http://www.yousendit.com/ Enter "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" as the recipient e-mail=20 address. This will send us a link to download your file for about 2 weeks. After that time, the file is removed. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Jan 06 11:17:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29980 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 19:14:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2007 19:14:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 19:14:43 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.36]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 141912397 for ; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 13:14:38 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b601c731c7$80c51100$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 13:18:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 4, First 4, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.36 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Original 1992 Motorola C-QUAM Booklet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=yx7TpVz9FdH7I_C_OzXh0l9UYKbhzocYTVp1XicbOiS8G7TJhNGh X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Actually I think Amy could have written a better explanation, but I happened to be one of the first to see your inquiry so thought I'd give it a shot. As for tuners, a lot of them are already using wider ceramic filters. At least a lot of the cheaper radios in the US are. The narrow band radios are partly a product of the FCC allowing too many stations on the AM band. People would complain about all the splatter from adjacent stations. But then that's true in much of Europe as well. Otherwise why would their stations only have 4.5kHz frequency response? Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" Thank you so much Todd for your comments!!! But, MAN!!! To change a ceramic resonator or to stagger-tune an IF transformer is a so, so, so, very, very cheap thing!!! Why the AM tuner makers don't do it themselves? Or, it's so cheap to the listeners and so expensive to the makers? ??? ??? ??? From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Jan 06 11:26:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46210 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 19:25:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2007 19:25:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 19:25:42 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.36]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 143423052 for ; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 13:24:48 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00be01c731c8$ebcdc5e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 13:28:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.061000 Adult word cum=0.7,More with an exclamation=0.4 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 15, in=9, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.36 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The end of analog X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=m19ubmwH_OBNdNGS3-NKD_FO7lWCFqXUdXo6XngJ67LnB8uBSKNd X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Good thing you're only trying to get 1kW out of that thing. It really eats tubes at full power. You'd be changing them every six months, and they're not cheap anymore! But your box will pass a stereo signal. There's a guy out in Evanston, Wyoming running a BA-1K in stereo. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" We are a very little AM station, 1KW carrier power, country/rural mostly audience market. We have an old "McMartin BA-2.5K" TX (with four 4-1000 vaccum tubes) and a full analog audio chain from the studio to the TX. Of course, we don't get C-QUAM stereo, because I'm not sure if the TX could pass the minimal C-QUAM need. Believe it or not, we have less than 1% of distortion, a flat audio response from 50.00 to 9,000.00 Hz and we are into all the FCC and chilean rules about co-channel interferences (antenna bandwidth). From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Jan 06 11:47:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9753 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 19:45:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2007 19:45:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao06.cox.net) (68.230.241.33) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 19:45:26 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20070106194525.VJTC2628.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 14:45:25 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 7vlf1W00u2DrW980000000; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 14:45:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <36DD5353-3678-44FD-98FA-376D767D847C@cox.net> Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 11:45:24 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The end of analog X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=HDPyi4Xn_gY5BnHyBhhtyKIikGQPlXh2ThRXIZh0P0N35suKEFiJeQxN69B9 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While I agree, there are two little things: 1. There is far more interference than ever before, due to computers, electronically-controlled appliances, fluorescent bulbs in houses, etc. etc. 2. Even the inventor of AM, or co-inventor depending on how you view history, invented FM because he couldn't stand the sound quality. and one more: The band is far more crowded than it should be. Richard Wagoner On Jan 6, 2007, at 8:43 AM, jotape1960 wrote: > AM did sound good at one time. The physics didn't change. Man > changed it. And man is diddling with it again. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jan 06 13:17:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18020 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 21:16:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2007 21:16:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 21:16:27 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.235.248.57.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.235.248.57] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H3Iip-0007MF-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 16:05:01 -0500 Message-ID: <00b701c731d6$52456370$39f8eb04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 16:04:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo Receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=8T0t0Ytdp9lpccPHADKQY-QOUVqcY_ysEy20dIw5mIc5IRirLP2j7FMucg-8dA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Do you have links to the Japanese online retailers that ship to the US? Will Japanese radios switch to 10KC spacing? Possum ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" To: Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 6:20 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo Receivers > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" > wrote: >> >> HI GANG!!! >> >> According to more than one guy in this forum had commented, it's >> impossible to get a good C-QUAM AM Stereo tuner (car or home) with > a >> price less than US$ 1800 today (with the exception of Meduci AMAX), >> Right? > > Only in retail. Not impossible if you knnow where, and how, to look. > You can get Japanese radios from places like AudioCubes.com, or > directly from some Japanese online retailers. (There are still some 4 > or 5 manufacturers of AM stereo gear in Japan, none of which are > exported from Japan for other AMS markets, unfortunately. AudioCubes > only lists the three Sony portables.) > >> Then I wonder: If it is not a secret the digital IBOC, HD, > Ibiquity, >> DRM, etc. system doesn't work in the AM band, Why the NAB doesn't > push >> the AM tuner makers to get back to the high quality C-QUAM AM > Stereo >> at a low price? > > First off DRM is not IBOC, although IBOC is officially part of the > DRM standard. They're two separate beasts. (At least DRM CAN be > experimented with, unlike IBOC- A major reason why the industry here > in America prefers IBOC, so it keeps the riff-raff experimentors out > of the picture.) > > As for implementing C-QUAM in receivers, if the radio manufacturers > were willing to spend 5 minutes on an inexpensive design (you really > don't NEED much to make a stereo AM section- a chip, a few capacitors > and resistors- Cost them less than one US dollar to do at the > plant!), we could have AM stereo on the shelves. They don't want to > even do that! AM is not "important", and they're not really > interested in FM, either- Just get a $5 (retail- if THAT!) radio out > on the market and be done with it. Radio is a complete afterthought > for many electronics manufacturers. (Begs the question "what ISN'T?", > considerng the broad range of electronic crap out there at almost > every level...) > >> I wonder if the NAB has enough power to do that. I wonder if the > NAB >> is enough united with itself (all the NAB members with only one > target >> in mind). I wonder that because here, in Chile, our ARCHI (chilean >> NAB) is enough united with some topics, but others.... I'm not sure > if >> ARCHI would be able to get that kind of agreement. At least, I'll > try >> to get it the next ARCHI meeting. Will the NAB be able to get it? I >> hope: YES!!! > > NAB is almost exclusively industry-side, and right now, industry > wants IBOC-- Not for the quality, mind you, but strictly for the > money...and mostly in the business-to-business model. The consumer > isn't important anymore. It used to be so different, but that was > before my lifetime, when NAB insisted on quality standards in > broadcasting that was the best compromise between high fidelity and > adjacent-channel interference. > > The only REAL hope for AM stereo is at the grass-roots level- The > experimentors, the individual broadcasters, the entrepreneurs who > build their own and sell them-- Anyone outside the corporate sphere > who are willing to take the plunge. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jan 06 13:24:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90741 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 21:20:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2007 21:20:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.213) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 21:20:28 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 21:18:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 21:18:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 21:18:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 21:18:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.4.171 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: A letter to the forum group administrator(s) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=LXw-hcoKuZQP4_C3P4eexTXbbcgbJ8M4726II3wfwLzKg4cP X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > Hi!!! >=20 > We need to enlarge the files capacity. If we want to upload a new=20 > large file (audio, graphics, or other), we only get a message about=20 > the forum group files memory is full. >=20 > Can you fix it please? >=20 > Thanks for your time. Blame Yahoo! for that limitation.... Which is why there is the AM=20 Stereo Archive ( http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/ )=20 which has the /upload-here-please directory. (Access to uploading is=20 by FTP only, and is the only directory where uploads can be sent via=20=20 anonymous FTP.) We've just fixed Ogg Vorbis support, thankfully! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jan 06 13:52:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54129 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 21:50:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2007 21:50:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.216) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 21:50:06 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 21:49:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 21:49:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 21:49:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 21:49:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00b701c731d6$52456370$39f8eb04@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.4.171 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo Receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=-EFdE8SAYkYve1juAAAZDwRbTP0uijlD7ja_n_AtCwCtMIbX X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > Do you have links to the Japanese online retailers that ship to the=20 US? Will=20 > Japanese radios switch to 10KC spacing? I wish I did, actually. I just know that some will. There are at=20 least a couple places that specificly cater to selling Japanese=20=20 electronics overseas- One everyone knows here is AudioCubes, which=20 ships directly from Japan, and although they only list the three=20 portables from Sony, my understanding is they might be able to send=20 any radio, providing you know who the maker is and what model number=20 it is. I don't know what models are digitally-tuned or analogue (other than=20 the three Sonys, all analogue), so I really can't say. (And to be honest, I wish I had contacts in Japan for a number of AM=20 stereo-related things, instead of relying on the Japanese Wikipedia=20 entry for AM stereo, through a translator service like Google's=20 Language Tools to find out things like Japan's Asahi Broadcasting=20 Corporation is switching off their Osaka and Fukuoka AM stereo=20 signals- going mono- on April 1st of this year... :( I would love to=20 know how AM stereo was promoted in Japan years ago.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From tomray@wor710.com Sat Jan 06 14:49:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84566 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 22:47:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2007 22:47:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 22:47:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 22:42:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 22:42:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 22:42:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: AM IBOC Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=uBhOU9kYmlMQOuY2-13WpDI25fkHTkMDEjQZcwj3lUTPS2GD X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: I would disagree with you on many points. > Yes, you're right, there are DAT machines with more than one input=20 > bit rate option, but even so you could get some binary errors. This may be true, but you maintain the bit stream and those errors would be minimal, if there are any at all.=20=20 >=20 > Why to convert to analog? >=20 > Simple, our human hearing system is so easy to fool. Most of common=20 > mistakes due to the conversion/reconversion process are minimized by=20 > our brain, who can to interpret what is a good, desired sound and=20 > what is a not good, no desired sound. And our brain works so fine=20 > with it!!! In the other hand, the digital machines haven't got to=20 > learn how to discriminate between the good, desired, and not good,=20 > not desired, data. For example: try to type "helo", then run your=20 > grammatical corrector and you'll get an error because the word you=20 > wanted is "hello" (with two "l"), in other words: the machines can't=20 > to understand your intentions so a digital binary mistake... IS A=20 > MISTAKE!!!=20 The machine most likely is programmed without that word "helo" in its dictionary, so it replaces the word with what it knows...and that is what it has been told to do. Not a good comparison. >The same way to the digital bitstream of the digital=20 > audio: if one machine lost a bit or two... the other machine=20 > SOMETIMES can fix it but THE MOST OF CASES the mistake produces a=20 > great mess (or noise). And something you're not taking into account by converting and reconverting are the artifacts that can be introduced by the waveform filtering process, thereby modifying the recovered analog waveform.=20 That conversion from digital to analog sends the waveform through filtering to smooth out the analog waveform, as it is generated from "snapshots" of the original input waveform. The output of the conversion is a very jagged waveform. If the filter on whatever is doing a reconversion isn't designed properly, you will introduce artifacts and overshoots. I would rather chance a binary error than experience filtering errors and keep it in the digital domain. And frankly, with DAT, you are more apt to see or hear a head alignment binary error than a binary error from taking in a digital stream. >=20 > I'm not an enemy of the digital world. I LOVE DIGITAL WORLD!!! I=20 > love it in my studio, I love it in my PC, I love it in my CDs but in=20 > on air radio? ??? ??? ??? >=20 > After more than five months reading a lot of comments about the use=20 > of digital in AM radio band and knowing some results... mmm...=20 > mmm... MMM... I'M NOT CONVINCED ABOUT A REAL ADVANCED TO THE AM=20 > STATIONS WITH IBOC!!! >=20 > Why? Well, so simple: >=20 > One real advanced to the AM radio band would be: less distortion,=20 > less noise, less interference (specially with the adjacent=20 > channels), a very good stereo separation, a very flat audio response=20 > from 40.00 to 10,000.00 Hz, AND ALL OF THAT WITH A MINIMUM OF=20 > INVESTMENT ($$$) TO THE BROADCASTERS AND THE LISTENERS!!! VERY strong disagreement here. If you have a newer transmitter (at 50KW output, my Harris 3DX50 has distortion and frequency response specs equal to or better than many FM exciters at 100% modulation), good processing, a good STL path, and a fairly flat antenna common point, you would have a good signal. Most stations, however, would fall into the category of older transmitters (most likely not well maintained, usually not the Engineer's fault), older processing (which most likely hasn't had the electrolytic caps changed since the processor was new), some type of noise and/or phase distortion introduced in the STL path....and the impedance presented to the transmitter is awful. At a bare minimum, flattening out the common point on many directional antennas ain't cheap. Especially on an antenna of older design where everything was cheaped out...and resultant operating parameters produce a God-awful VSWR on most sideband frequencies, with the result being increased IM distortion.=20 This once again gets into the discussion of days when AM stereo was starting out. Put C-Quam on a station with a funky transmitter that couldn't maintain phase stability through the system, and force it through an antenna system that was lucky to pass the RF carrier, let alone the sidebands, and you had an awful sounding station with very little, if any, stereo separation. Many stations who did not want to make the investment in correcting the problems in their facilities left it this way and said, "it doesn't work".=20=20 HD right now is still in its infancy, especially with AM. I did the install at WOR's new site with zero input from Harris....as a matter of fact, I know more about the system than most of their techs do (I should, as I have had it on the air for over 4 years now....but it has been my experience when calling field service about something that I know damn well the exciter/system can do and they tell me it can't....and I need to explain it to them). I know of one station where a factory rep came out and did their install and it took them 2 months (and a visit from me....their CE if a friend of mine) to make it right....the factory rep goofed during the install, yet insisted it was OK. There is a lot of learning going on. EVERYTHING in the system must be gone through and looked at for booby traps. Things like the data compression used on the station's digital playback system. What you could "get away" with in analog you can't with HD.=20 Straighten things out, and AM HD sounds damn good. Our operators find it very hard to tell the difference between the feed going to the transmitter and what is on the air in HD. I know a "golden ears" person who can pick apart an audio chain on a classical station without seeing it, and he is correct on his assumptions 99% of the time, who experienced our HD audio and loves it (taking into account, of course, that it is a slow bit rate). So it's not as bad as "everyone" says it is. You haven't experienced it set up correctly. >=20 > We can get all of that with our today analog TXs and a good=20 > maintenance of our antenna systems (specially the tuning box), a=20 > good testing and calibrating of our today analog or digital devices=20 > and a good merchandising campaign to convince the listeners to buy=20 > the best AM tuners!!! AND WITHOUT TO NEED ANY NEW AND SO EXPENSIVE=20 > DIGITAL IBOC TX!!! Unless the stations attend to their issues and clean up their acts, as you have stated above, you will never have clean AM. Changing to HD forces a station to make things right. Leaving a station alone provides little incentive to make the right changes, because "it works...but we don't know why our listeners are leaving".=20=20 And you're also assuming the receiver manufacturers will manufacture good sounding AM radios. I wouldn't bet the farm on it. As I've stated before (and this is right from the mouth of several manufacturers), radio sales account for less than 3% of all consumer electronics sold. Contacting a manufacturer and saying that they MUST redesign their analog AM receivers or you won't buy any is no skin off their backs. They'll make that 3% up with the next whiz-bang product. Don't look to the FCC....their job with receivers is to make sure they don't cause interference. They can't mandate the receiver manufacturers...they can only mandate the broadcasters.=20=20=20 Tom Ray WOR From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jan 06 15:55:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7048 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 23:55:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2007 23:55:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.108) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 23:55:15 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n11.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 23:51:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 23:51:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 23:51:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 23:51:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00b601c731c7$80c51100$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.108 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.4.171 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Original 1992 Motorola C-QUAM Booklet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=oOWoohhpkRnkQdy0avu2nXT6I007uS9AOqoPvghSlmmDY3Pv X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > Actually I think Amy could have written a better explanation, *blush* Thanks for thinking highly of me in this regard- I'm not sure I=20 could make a better explanation, though I could try. Can any AM radio be converted to AM stereo? Theoretically, yes.=20 Praqctically, though, it really depends on a number of factors. * Type of bandwidth filters * (Final) IF frequency (ie: 450 or 455 kHz) * Access to a stereo audio output- That is, is there an internal stereo=20 amp, such as for use by FM, and whether it's accessable independent of=20 FM, or if you actually jhave to build a separate stereo output to add=20=20 stereo. There are just some radios which you can't do a damned thing to, but=20 that being said, here are some links to AM stereo modification projects: A demodulator using an SRF-42:=20 http://pw2.netcom.com/~wa2ise/radios/amstmod.html Some ideas here: http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsgil/AM-Stereo/ Miscellanious ideas here: http://tinyurl.com/yge3rn Decoder cirfcuit designs may be found with some of the AM stereo=20 decoder IC datasheets here: http://tinyurl.com/y3dhms If I'm missing anything, someone let me know. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Jan 06 16:04:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17858 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 23:59:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2007 23:59:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.187) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 23:59:02 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n5.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 23:58:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 23:58:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2007 23:58:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 23:58:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.72 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo Receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=LMH7uxb-mDC5CxVhiXIifhPVX76S6m6r0Zg7DRPYlT92-GJVhw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 > wrote: > > > > Do you have links to the Japanese online retailers that ship to=20 the=20 > US? Will=20 > > Japanese radios switch to 10KC spacing? >=20 > I wish I did, actually. I just know that some will. There are at=20 > least a couple places that specificly cater to selling Japanese=20=20 > electronics overseas- One everyone knows here is AudioCubes, which=20 > ships directly from Japan, and although they only list the three=20 > portables from Sony, my understanding is they might be able to=20 send=20 > any radio, providing you know who the maker is and what model=20 number=20 > it is. >=20 > I don't know what models are digitally-tuned or analogue (other=20 than=20 > the three Sonys, all analogue), so I really can't say. >=20 > (And to be honest, I wish I had contacts in Japan for a number of=20 AM=20 > stereo-related things, instead of relying on the Japanese=20 Wikipedia=20 > entry for AM stereo, through a translator service like Google's=20 > Language Tools to find out things like Japan's Asahi Broadcasting=20 > Corporation is switching off their Osaka and Fukuoka AM stereo=20 > signals- going mono- on April 1st of this year... :( I would love=20 to=20 > know how AM stereo was promoted in Japan years ago.) >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Hi Amy!!! The comment of our friend "Possom Hunter" seems very rare to me.=20 Most electronic devices sold here, in Chile (and I guess in all the=20 South America continent), is 99% japanese devices. It includes the=20 AM tuners, of course, and all the tuners I know has 10 kHz=20 spacing!!! Isn't the same in USA? Now, if you have "contacs" in Japan, Amy, you could help me (if you=20 want, of course) with my "new" Sony car radio. It's an excellent FM=20 Stero tuner and CD player but... in AM..... IT'S THE WORST!!! Maybe=20 you can help me if you get the electronic diagram (drawing) of this=20 equipment (I don't have get it through the Sony web page). With teh=20 diagram, I can study how to "open" the audio bandwidth. The model=20 is: "SONY CDX-GT450". Please, Amy, if you can... YOU'LL BE THE=20 BEST!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sat Jan 06 16:11:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 78152 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2007 00:10:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2007 00:10:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.213) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2007 00:10:42 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2007 00:09:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2007 00:09:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2007 00:09:36 -0000 Date: 7 Jan 2007 00:09:35 -0000 Message-ID: <1168128575.504037.7412.w112@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /Introduction to the Motorola C-QUAM AM Stereo System.doc Uploaded by : jotape1960 Description : The original 1992 Motorola C-QUAM booklet You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/Introduction%20to%20the%20Motorola%20C-QUAM%20AM%20Stereo%20System.doc To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, jotape1960 From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jan 06 17:19:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94972 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2007 01:13:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2007 01:13:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.21) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2007 01:13:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2007 01:12:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2007 01:12:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 01:12:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.4.171 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo Receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=nhsrN0vtcOiLFb7iPdiuY6g7PqmHqzD1YyHootQi3EiSPJNY X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 > wrote: > > > The comment of our friend "Possom Hunter" seems very rare to me.=20 > Most electronic devices sold here, in Chile (and I guess in all the=20 > South America continent), is 99% japanese devices. It includes the=20 > AM tuners, of course, and all the tuners I know has 10 kHz=20 > spacing!!! Isn't the same in USA? Not all radios are made for all markets. Even though most of the=20 Japanese radio makers make radios for sale all over the world, the=20 radios aren't made for every market. I'll never understand just why even in the best of the AM stereo=20 days, it was easier to get AM stereo radios in Canada or Australia,=20 not to mention Japan, than it was (and still is) in the US....beyond=20 Mr. Kahn's frequent and rather colourful lawsuits.....though there=20 used to be dozens of AMS receivers, even in the US. Anyhoo, some radios were made to work specificly in certain markets-=20 Some, if they were digitally-tuned, only worked in an AM band that=20 had 9kHz spacing, unlike 10kHz in the western hemisphere; others=20 would only be designed to work on the Japanese FM stereo band (76- 89MHz) rather than the internationally-accepted 88-108MHz band....=20 (And some will cover both- usually portables.) As far as I know, only Japan's domestic market is the only one where=20 there still are some AM stereo receivers on the retail market.=20 Perhaps too many are afraid of Kahn. > Now, if you have "contacs" in Japan, Amy, you could help me (if you=20 > want, of course) with my "new" Sony car radio. It's an excellent FM=20 > Stero tuner and CD player but... in AM..... IT'S THE WORST!!! Maybe=20 > you can help me if you get the electronic diagram (drawing) of this=20 > equipment (I don't have get it through the Sony web page). With teh=20 > diagram, I can study how to "open" the audio bandwidth. The model=20 > is: "SONY CDX-GT450". Please, Amy, if you can... YOU'LL BE THE=20 > BEST!!!! Reread what I said- I wish I HAD contacts in Japan- I don't. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Jan 06 21:50:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95796 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2007 05:47:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2007 05:47:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.29) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2007 05:47:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 88107 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jan 2007 05:47:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: CrbkxC8VM1lb2d3C.EM8U__8_Heff8R6.VyinMv0ezCl2aEu0GQg1EmzhR_pV0YGCG0uWP5Xv44JLo4AM9G_CjrKBP9A9DsklffmD6KA_jtkRPYwsuKESTM3i1BJ4mfJQ27.gLO_V7ERqEUlKxa7_CbjYO8BNQjk_K5vEwo3kOYkOLfpecTvGA-- Received: from [72.155.183.90] by web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 21:47:29 PST Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 21:47:29 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <163711.84329.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo Receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=Tr6EC4sDUUErU6aEbEXxy7I6ggd9abNSus6zvtDSpiydUuRK8HVV X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I thought spacing only was a problem with digital tuners. I thought on analog it didn't matter as it can be tuned up or down off the frequency? Those portable sony's are analog right?? -Kevin --- jotape1960 wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > > wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum > Hunter" > > wrote: > > > > > > Do you have links to the Japanese online > retailers that ship to > the > > US? Will > > > Japanese radios switch to 10KC spacing? > > > > I wish I did, actually. I just know that some > will. There are at > > least a couple places that specificly cater to > selling Japanese > > electronics overseas- One everyone knows here is > AudioCubes, which > > ships directly from Japan, and although they only > list the three > > portables from Sony, my understanding is they > might be able to > send > > any radio, providing you know who the maker is and > what model > number > > it is. > > > > I don't know what models are digitally-tuned or > analogue (other > than > > the three Sonys, all analogue), so I really can't > say. > > > > (And to be honest, I wish I had contacts in Japan > for a number of > AM > > stereo-related things, instead of relying on the > Japanese > Wikipedia > > entry for AM stereo, through a translator service > like Google's > > Language Tools to find out things like Japan's > Asahi Broadcasting > > Corporation is switching off their Osaka and > Fukuoka AM stereo > > signals- going mono- on April 1st of this year... > :( I would love > to > > know how AM stereo was promoted in Japan years > ago.) > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > Hi Amy!!! > > The comment of our friend "Possom Hunter" seems very > rare to me. > Most electronic devices sold here, in Chile (and I > guess in all the > South America continent), is 99% japanese devices. > It includes the > AM tuners, of course, and all the tuners I know has > 10 kHz > spacing!!! Isn't the same in USA? > > Now, if you have "contacs" in Japan, Amy, you could > help me (if you > want, of course) with my "new" Sony car radio. It's > an excellent FM > Stero tuner and CD player but... in AM..... IT'S THE > WORST!!! Maybe > you can help me if you get the electronic diagram > (drawing) of this > equipment (I don't have get it through the Sony web > page). With teh > diagram, I can study how to "open" the audio > bandwidth. The model > is: "SONY CDX-GT450". Please, Amy, if you can... > YOU'LL BE THE > BEST!!!! > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jan 06 22:52:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12089 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2007 06:49:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2007 06:49:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2007 06:49:53 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2007 06:49:07 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2007 06:49:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2007 06:49:07 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 06:49:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <163711.84329.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.15.196 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo Receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=qLdrNNi1jUvAdJYTuAkrhvfKJiszJM97jrgY6o4Z7q_hEhvc X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 wrote: > > I thought spacing only was a problem with digital > tuners. I thought on analog it didn't matter as it > can be tuned up or down off the frequency? Those > portable sony's are analog right?? Correct and correct. The only issue is that the Japanese analogue portables aren't set up=20 for handling all the X-band "out of the box"- You'd have to do some=20 tweaking, just as I have my SRF-A100 tweaked to tune between 520-1710=20 for that very reason. (I don't have my TM-152 tweaked, but I can tune up to 1680... Ah, pre-X- band analogue AM stereo radios!) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Jan 07 15:07:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67151 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2007 23:02:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2007 23:02:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.132) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2007 23:02:29 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2007 22:59:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2007 22:59:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2007 22:59:46 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 22:59:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.31 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo Receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=RM8yG_tvK4csN_p5GWS6yYvflQt2x6XHZaoc3YLmzmd6IOYHmA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 > wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 > > wrote: > > > >=20 > > The comment of our friend "Possom Hunter" seems very rare to me.=20 > > Most electronic devices sold here, in Chile (and I guess in all=20 the=20 > > South America continent), is 99% japanese devices. It includes=20 the=20 > > AM tuners, of course, and all the tuners I know has 10 kHz=20 > > spacing!!! Isn't the same in USA? >=20 > Not all radios are made for all markets. Even though most of the=20 > Japanese radio makers make radios for sale all over the world, the=20 > radios aren't made for every market. >=20 > I'll never understand just why even in the best of the AM stereo=20 > days, it was easier to get AM stereo radios in Canada or=20 Australia,=20 > not to mention Japan, than it was (and still is) in the=20 US....beyond=20 > Mr. Kahn's frequent and rather colourful lawsuits.....though there=20 > used to be dozens of AMS receivers, even in the US. >=20 > Anyhoo, some radios were made to work specificly in certain=20 markets-=20 > Some, if they were digitally-tuned, only worked in an AM band that=20 > had 9kHz spacing, unlike 10kHz in the western hemisphere; others=20 > would only be designed to work on the Japanese FM stereo band (76- > 89MHz) rather than the internationally-accepted 88-108MHz band....=20 > (And some will cover both- usually portables.) >=20 > As far as I know, only Japan's domestic market is the only one=20 where=20 > there still are some AM stereo receivers on the retail market.=20 > Perhaps too many are afraid of Kahn. >=20 > > Now, if you have "contacs" in Japan, Amy, you could help me (if=20 you=20 > > want, of course) with my "new" Sony car radio. It's an excellent=20 FM=20 > > Stero tuner and CD player but... in AM..... IT'S THE WORST!!!=20 Maybe=20 > > you can help me if you get the electronic diagram (drawing) of=20 this=20 > > equipment (I don't have get it through the Sony web page). With=20 teh=20 > > diagram, I can study how to "open" the audio bandwidth. The=20 model=20 > > is: "SONY CDX-GT450". Please, Amy, if you can... YOU'LL BE THE=20 > > BEST!!!! >=20 > Reread what I said- I wish I HAD contacts in Japan- I don't. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Hi AMY!!! Sorry, I'm so sorry because I read the wrong phrase. Sorry, please!!! It's a pity, a very great pity, the AM Stereo tuners story you told.=20 I can't figure out the real problem and I only guess a "commercial=20 jealousy", maybe, because,like the color TV systems, the=20 manufacturers could made AM Stereo tuners with more than one system=20 (and a switch to let the user choices) and... problem solved!!! Well, I talk about the color TVs because most of the models you can=20 find here, in Chile, have an internal (sometimes external, too)=20 switch to change between NTSC, PAL or SECAM. Even, most of the "On- Screen Menu" from that devices have that option controlled through=20 the remote control. So, I don't understand why not the same with the=20 AM Stereo tuners!!! ??? About the 9 or 10 kHz spacing, all the digital AM tuners you can=20 find here have a switch to use one or other spacing system. Of=20 course, you must to use the 10 kHz spacing because we use it here.=20 The models are sold with the switch in the right position, here. Please, I don't want you think I'm an idiot about my "new" very good=20 FM car tuner with a very bad AM section. No, I didn't choice it. It=20 was a "generation conflict": my son and my daughters gave me it as a=20 birthday gift!!! A gift is a gift, you know. Of course, they're=20 young and they live with the CD and MP3 "wave" so they don't care=20 about the radio section: they just wanted a very good CD and MP3=20 player, and they got it!!! I have to recognize the SONY CDX-GT450=20 has a very, very, very, nice sound with CDs and MP3 music. But, when=20 we're going by car all together... I listen radio!!! hahahahahaha!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From amfmtech@yahoo.com Sun Jan 07 18:25:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtech@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26088 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2007 02:10:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2007 02:10:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56808.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2007 02:10:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 96170 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jan 2007 02:08:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: KKu9bocVM1kusOFZE1A16UdJwpeJdubYcJY95Jmu6lwYRj17xy0es2LtOZCSKcQTF99gbe7EPPe4sfS9T9wPIqbQH0FEDfCxFbm3e70ojmwsSn1h_YzLPM4lwespPXwMR5iiCOKIyObSvhk- Received: from [71.79.244.34] by web56808.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 18:08:46 PST Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 18:08:46 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8024.27878.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <303614.95711.qm@web56808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Harold Richards Reply-To: AMFMTech@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The end of analog X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173136756; y=tueDZhFDrpNBMBenqbW362i4_1qGeXzZ8OQNw9JhurAoD7E X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmtech Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But at leasts it's not 96 or 128, as I have heard people post claiming that= it's CD quality. =20=20=20 In my old age I feel 320 is good for a demo, but 96 or 128 stereo or join= t stereo is just plain bad. =20=20=20 ...Harold =20=20=20 =20=20 Kevin Bell wrote: Harold even at 320 it's nowhere near a CD's bit rate of 1142 ! --- Harold Richards wrote: > If you do an MP3, make sure that it's a very high > bit rate, in the order of 320k. >=20 > ...Harold >=20 > jotape1960 wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Harold > Richards=20 > wrote: > > > > My problem with digital is that it's sold to be > better quality.=20 > Those of you old enough to remember the NAB campaign > in the sixties to=20 > get more listeners to FM, based their argument on > the audio quality=20 > being "HI-FI" on FM than AM.=20 > >=20 >=20 > I absolutely agree with you!!! >=20 > But, as a free service to the forum, CAN SOMEBODY > PUT AN MP3 FILE,=20 > CAPTURED DIRECTLY FROM AN IBOC AM TUNER, WITH A > TODAY USA IBOC AM=20 > STATION SIGNAL, PLEASE? Just to compare it with the > C-QUAM files. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > Yahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] >=20 >=20 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith@vfr.net Sun Jan 07 20:01:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51532 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2007 03:54:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2007 03:54:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.108) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2007 03:54:16 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n11.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2007 03:54:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2007 03:54:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2007 03:54:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 03:54:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.108 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.42.115.119 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo Receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=Ffwj3goCwqEcvGH5e6JXs-apMRUjWOG8XPlv9CpyT-BVY3OISHr-8w X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 > wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 > > > wrote: > > > > > >=20 > > > The comment of our friend "Possom Hunter" seems very rare to=20 me.=20 > > > Most electronic devices sold here, in Chile (and I guess in all=20 > the=20 > > > South America continent), is 99% japanese devices. It includes=20 > the=20 > > > AM tuners, of course, and all the tuners I know has 10 kHz=20 > > > spacing!!! Isn't the same in USA? > >=20 > > Not all radios are made for all markets. Even though most of the=20 > > Japanese radio makers make radios for sale all over the world,=20 the=20 > > radios aren't made for every market. > >=20 > > I'll never understand just why even in the best of the AM stereo=20 > > days, it was easier to get AM stereo radios in Canada or=20 > Australia,=20 > > not to mention Japan, than it was (and still is) in the=20 > US....beyond=20 > > Mr. Kahn's frequent and rather colourful lawsuits.....though=20 there=20 > > used to be dozens of AMS receivers, even in the US. > >=20 > > Anyhoo, some radios were made to work specificly in certain=20 > markets-=20 > > Some, if they were digitally-tuned, only worked in an AM band=20 that=20 > > had 9kHz spacing, unlike 10kHz in the western hemisphere; others=20 > > would only be designed to work on the Japanese FM stereo band (76- > > 89MHz) rather than the internationally-accepted 88-108MHz=20 band....=20 > > (And some will cover both- usually portables.) > >=20 > > As far as I know, only Japan's domestic market is the only one=20 > where=20 > > there still are some AM stereo receivers on the retail market.=20 > > Perhaps too many are afraid of Kahn. > >=20 > > > Now, if you have "contacs" in Japan, Amy, you could help me (if=20 > you=20 > > > want, of course) with my "new" Sony car radio. It's an=20 excellent=20 > FM=20 > > > Stero tuner and CD player but... in AM..... IT'S THE WORST!!!=20 > Maybe=20 > > > you can help me if you get the electronic diagram (drawing) of=20 > this=20 > > > equipment (I don't have get it through the Sony web page). With=20 > teh=20 > > > diagram, I can study how to "open" the audio bandwidth. The=20 > model=20 > > > is: "SONY CDX-GT450". Please, Amy, if you can... YOU'LL BE THE=20 > > > BEST!!!! > >=20 > > Reread what I said- I wish I HAD contacts in Japan- I don't. > >=20 > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > >=20 > Hi AMY!!! >=20 > Sorry, I'm so sorry because I read the wrong phrase. Sorry,=20 please!!! >=20 > It's a pity, a very great pity, the AM Stereo tuners story you=20 told.=20 > I can't figure out the real problem and I only guess a "commercial=20 > jealousy", maybe, because,like the color TV systems, the=20 > manufacturers could made AM Stereo tuners with more than one system=20 > (and a switch to let the user choices) and... problem solved!!! >=20 > Well, I talk about the color TVs because most of the models you can=20 > find here, in Chile, have an internal (sometimes external, too)=20 > switch to change between NTSC, PAL or SECAM. Even, most of the "On- > Screen Menu" from that devices have that option controlled through=20 > the remote control. So, I don't understand why not the same with=20 the=20 > AM Stereo tuners!!! ??? >=20 > About the 9 or 10 kHz spacing, all the digital AM tuners you can=20 > find here have a switch to use one or other spacing system. Of=20 > course, you must to use the 10 kHz spacing because we use it here.=20 > The models are sold with the switch in the right position, here. >=20 > Please, I don't want you think I'm an idiot about my "new" very=20 good=20 > FM car tuner with a very bad AM section. No, I didn't choice it. It=20 > was a "generation conflict": my son and my daughters gave me it as=20 a=20 > birthday gift!!! A gift is a gift, you know. Of course, they're=20 > young and they live with the CD and MP3 "wave" so they don't care=20 > about the radio section: they just wanted a very good CD and MP3=20 > player, and they got it!!! I have to recognize the SONY CDX-GT450=20 > has a very, very, very, nice sound with CDs and MP3 music. But,=20 when=20 > we're going by car all together... I listen radio!!!=20 hahahahahaha!!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > Hi Juan Yes Sony made some multi Am Stereo radios in the early=20 1980's .One was the Sony SRF A100 small portalbe radio and the other=20 was the Sony SRF A1 walkman and Sansui had made a multi Am Stereo=20 home tuner allso. If you go to the front page of this site and click=20 on radios you will find a big list of radios multi AM STEREOS and C- Quam Am Stereo radios. Take care Juan. Jim Smith From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Jan 07 21:10:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14301 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2007 05:10:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2007 05:10:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.34) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2007 05:10:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 7150 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jan 2007 05:10:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HhCNsKoVM1kB6OxHppv5vV8fPl9UNv2_ba5.GxdOW5CkOsw40kejl3UvgYS6vNdCEFX.DMYoVe38leFrLbBU_MG8_a0el5QTxYkYkoSCpgXY26y2QBsr78y2TCHaH_KiIewxP0Wa Received: from [74.226.200.218] by web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:10:17 PST Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 21:10:17 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <303614.95711.qm@web56808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <509421.98934.qm@web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The end of analog X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=e5rqqRzDZ5iS_hx4yT8TP23rZvEQqRXGaH2NlBStWXcPb-0HOe0O X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Personally I don't like MP2 or MP3 formats. They splatter transients and wreak havock on seperation with all that pumping it does. --- Harold Richards wrote: > But at leasts it's not 96 or 128, as I have heard > people post claiming that it's CD quality. > > In my old age I feel 320 is good for a demo, but > 96 or 128 stereo or joint stereo is just plain bad. > > ...Harold > > > > Kevin Bell wrote: > Harold even at 320 it's nowhere near a CD's bit > rate > of 1142 ! > > > > > --- Harold Richards wrote: > > > If you do an MP3, make sure that it's a very high > > bit rate, in the order of 320k. > > > > ...Harold > > > > jotape1960 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Harold > > Richards > > wrote: > > > > > > My problem with digital is that it's sold to be > > better quality. > > Those of you old enough to remember the NAB > campaign > > in the sixties to > > get more listeners to FM, based their argument on > > the audio quality > > being "HI-FI" on FM than AM. > > > > > > > I absolutely agree with you!!! > > > > But, as a free service to the forum, CAN SOMEBODY > > PUT AN MP3 FILE, > > CAPTURED DIRECTLY FROM AN IBOC AM TUNER, WITH A > > TODAY USA IBOC AM > > STATION SIGNAL, PLEASE? Just to compare it with > the > > C-QUAM files. > > > > > > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Jan 08 13:55:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10363 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2007 21:46:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2007 21:46:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.164) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2007 21:46:54 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n6.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2007 21:46:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2007 21:46:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2007 21:46:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 21:46:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <509421.98934.qm@web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.89 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: The end of analog X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=7MZS4R9P1LRCjFQ2PdtJOm9NIe5yxR7Jpsb3VR49gxDbXpN6dA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 wrote: > > Personally I don't like MP2 or MP3 formats. They > splatter transients and wreak havock on seperation > with all that pumping it does. >=20 >=20 I don't like MP3 format and I don't like any kind of compression=20 system (even in the analog world). But I don't agree with you about the MP3 audio quality itself=20 because it doesn't depend on the amount of bit rate compression=20 process only, but on the original quality and the number of copies=20 or times you use the MP3 system. As an example, if you take a very good digital recording (from an=20 original full digital audio CD) and you convert it to MP3, at 192=20 kbps, 20 or 15 kHz maximun audio bandwidth, 2 channels (stereo) and=20 a constant bit rate, you'll get a very "decent" result. I bet that 99 from 100 people who listen your recording will say "I=20 don't hear any difference from the original." But, in the other hand, if you take and standard "hiss" recording=20 from an analog cassette tape, you convert it to MP3 (with the same=20 specifications from above) and you save your work, then you load=20 that file and reconvert it to MP3, and re-reconvert it to MP3,=20 and... well, man, you'll get a very awful sound!!! Why? Well, machines aren't human. Machines doesn't work like our=20 brain. Machines can be programmed to "distinguish" between the noise=20 and the desirable sound but... they are just machines!!! They aren't=20 perfect. So, first: the hiss noise is a great problem to the MP3=20 decoder; and, two: the MP3 reconvert process drives crazy the MP3=20 decoder and he doesn't know what to do with it. The results are...=20 the worst!!! Even that, I bet that a good number of people would say: "It's so=20 good!!!" But I insist it isn't an MP3 system fault; it's a "system bad=20 handling" problem (similar to the "Dolby NR" tape problems). In the other side, digital audio from IBOC has more artifacts than=20 MP3 audio. I guess something is wrong in the IBOC bit rate reduction=20 process itself. Don't you think the digital world has too much problem out of=20 studio? Why to put more problems on the air? LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AUDIO RADIO!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Jan 08 18:14:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2033 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2007 02:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2007 02:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao09.cox.net) (68.230.241.30) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2007 02:12:37 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20070109020946.IGEK18767.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 21:09:46 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 8q8x1W0022DrW980000000; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 21:08:57 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <7FFD9BB3-9C3A-4234-B781-C409696A78F0@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 18:09:46 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Selling Chris Cuff Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=Nz0Q5SUz4-NlMwTrtEtUz_mRvTAiIzcYmh3XvwvvqcZ0V1aRi56KHtj6tQDv X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner If anyone is interested in picking up one of Chris Cuff's last transmitters, I am reluctantly selling mine. The eBay listing is 120073146509. Richard Wagoner From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Jan 08 21:58:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18619 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2007 05:58:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2007 05:58:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.30) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2007 05:58:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 45429 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jan 2007 05:23:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: mY4e4JUVM1kh5rxdW8zRtJKwZ7eqyZGVDulBh3dq3ProM3GYk.hhba2AYJ10HYTOemWAUj_o.kXutKY6Oz7C0IEOuQksg4wT.k4jBts25Tez5ycFkxZOuerCRbsrcnQc1NfQZN3jfumKyQSWry4NuyW7uu5606Uk5dxJeeo38cmwDw975LzaeQ-- Received: from [74.226.200.218] by web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 21:23:44 PST Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 21:23:44 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <879329.44417.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The end of analog X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=z7HmBRyxI66-Tmu-j9H4Bg_7ZoUH33AGY31Ti9avCPq1ksvGnUYl X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Juan, If you listen to MP3's on a reference system you'll see how bad they sound. Most people don't have a good system though. Most people listen on mediocre at best systems with low amp power and cheap speakers. Playback those MP3's on a system that can reveal the true sound and I think you'll be upset how bad it is. -Kevin --- jotape1960 wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell > > wrote: > > > > Personally I don't like MP2 or MP3 formats. They > > splatter transients and wreak havock on seperation > > with all that pumping it does. > > > > > > I don't like MP3 format and I don't like any kind of > compression > system (even in the analog world). > > But I don't agree with you about the MP3 audio > quality itself > because it doesn't depend on the amount of bit rate > compression > process only, but on the original quality and the > number of copies > or times you use the MP3 system. > > As an example, if you take a very good digital > recording (from an > original full digital audio CD) and you convert it > to MP3, at 192 > kbps, 20 or 15 kHz maximun audio bandwidth, 2 > channels (stereo) and > a constant bit rate, you'll get a very "decent" > result. > > I bet that 99 from 100 people who listen your > recording will say "I > don't hear any difference from the original." > > But, in the other hand, if you take and standard > "hiss" recording > from an analog cassette tape, you convert it to MP3 > (with the same > specifications from above) and you save your work, > then you load > that file and reconvert it to MP3, and re-reconvert > it to MP3, > and... well, man, you'll get a very awful sound!!! > > Why? Well, machines aren't human. Machines doesn't > work like our > brain. Machines can be programmed to "distinguish" > between the noise > and the desirable sound but... they are just > machines!!! They aren't > perfect. So, first: the hiss noise is a great > problem to the MP3 > decoder; and, two: the MP3 reconvert process drives > crazy the MP3 > decoder and he doesn't know what to do with it. The > results are... > the worst!!! > > Even that, I bet that a good number of people would > say: "It's so > good!!!" > > But I insist it isn't an MP3 system fault; it's a > "system bad > handling" problem (similar to the "Dolby NR" tape > problems). > > In the other side, digital audio from IBOC has more > artifacts than > MP3 audio. I guess something is wrong in the IBOC > bit rate reduction > process itself. > > Don't you think the digital world has too much > problem out of > studio? Why to put more problems on the air? > > LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AUDIO RADIO!!! > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Mon Jan 08 22:32:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7663 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2007 06:32:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2007 06:32:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.169) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2007 06:32:15 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n8.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2007 06:30:59 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2007 06:30:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2007 06:30:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 06:30:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.2.169.91 From: "apolloheatshield" Subject: Delco AM Stereo Radio on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=KZn3p5RZxV1fe86oJ3WikMox2mi-8bW3BB-ZCPnB010H6aEs9N6MmkQg X-Yahoo-Profile: apolloheatshield I just listed this item on eBay. It's a GM/Delco AM-Stereo; FM-Stereo=20 w/cassette and EQ. Model number is 16085414. It fits GM vehicles from=20 1992-1995. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D290070135802 I just replaced this one with another that has a CD instead and=20 pleased to find out it had AM-Stereo as well. From mspproductions@gmail.com Tue Jan 09 00:08:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mspproductions@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74694 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2007 08:08:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2007 08:08:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.162.236) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2007 08:08:26 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id m7so4264566nzf for ; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 00:03:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.76.9 with SMTP id d9mr50404846pyl.1168329800975; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 00:03:20 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [75.24.12.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id m2sm23558128nzf.2007.01.09.00.03.19; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 00:03:20 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.2.061213 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 03:03:16 -0500 To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Delco AM Stereo Radio on eBay Thread-Index: AcczxJ303HqM5J+3EduOSQADk639Qg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Matt Patoray Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delco AM Stereo Radio on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272439332; y=WRRmDkqhzJMoEXKpQRUVr2DKeoBt_v_YngqgBUrFZYXjnng X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_patoray Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Would you please be so kind as to let us know which model of CD receiver has AM stereo. Thanks, Matt On 1/9/07 1:30 AM, "apolloheatshield" wrote: > > > > > I just listed this item on eBay. It's a GM/Delco AM-Stereo; FM-Stereo > w/cassette and EQ. Model number is 16085414. It fits GM vehicles from > 1992-1995. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290070135802 > > > I just replaced this one with another that has a CD instead and > pleased to find out it had AM-Stereo as well. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wnmb@sc.rr.com Tue Jan 09 04:32:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30696 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2007 12:32:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2007 12:32:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2007 12:32:28 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2007 12:31:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2007 12:31:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:31:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.61.218.234 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: Listeners Showing Interest in AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=JZOEby2cAAmVKljlgdxkA21u1GB1AUaYchGQ4T63t8biAQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Just pulled some stats from our website so far in January. Here are=20 the top 5 in real visit sessions so far this month. Most Popular Categories 1. Photo Gallery * Various (1535 visits) 2. Classic Cars (1497 visits) 3. WNMB Features (1106 visits) 4. The People of WNMB (722 visits) 5. AM STEREO (714 visits) AM stereo is in 5th place of all our categories. We believe this is=20 due to our constant promotion. Now, just imagine what would happen=20 if other radio stations would convert, or those who have turned it=20 off, would bring it back! Bill From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jan 09 19:06:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5750 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2007 03:05:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2007 03:05:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2007 03:05:09 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n10.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2007 03:03:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2007 03:03:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2007 03:03:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 03:03:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <879329.44417.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.24 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: The end of analog X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=I46LNvc4PhCaKZkda9t6OJknG4puIUWnoOOruPyEuUEPd8YASA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > If you listen to MP3's on a reference system you'll > see how bad they sound. Most people don't have a good > system though. Most people listen on mediocre at best > systems with low amp power and cheap speakers.=20 > Playback those MP3's on a system that can reveal the > true sound and I think you'll be upset how bad it is.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -Kevin >=20 Hi Kevin!!! You're right and I agree with you: I DON'T LIKE MP3!!! I just wanted to say most of common people don't have any idea about=20 what is good sound and they accept MP3, even the bad sound it has.=20 That's all. And I guess ALL radio stations in my country use MP3 audio format on=20 air, every day, all the year!!! (It's include my radio station). This is the reality, Kevin. Of course, I save my works in "*.wav" format; it's my choice. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jan 09 19:17:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30810 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2007 03:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2007 03:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.117) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2007 03:17:24 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2007 03:15:32 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2007 03:15:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2007 03:15:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 03:15:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.24 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delco AM Stereo Radio on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=2jgBbR5kVLsD4jONwd2QnkhoA-7gThnlMqZ8Uwfgj3cNLwxxzQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Matt Patoray=20 wrote: > >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Would you please be so kind as to let us know which model of CD=20 receiver has > AM stereo. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Matt >=20 I need this information too. Today I was in one of the main electronic retail store here, my=20 beautiful city, and I tested 15 different expensive models of home=20 audio equipment, and 10 car models too, with and without CD/MP3,=20 with and without external audio inputs, all with AM/FM radio bands=20 and NONE OF THEM HAD A "DECENT" AM SECTION (only I found the typical=20 4kHz "telephonic" audio bandwidth)!!! I guess none of them had AM Stereo (I couldn't test it because here=20 there aren't AM Stereo stations). So, Tom, please tell us Where is that "paradise"? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Jan 10 00:51:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90187 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2007 08:47:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2007 08:47:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2007 08:47:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 60310 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2007 08:46:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20070110084631.60308.qmail@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: H72XLE4VM1nK8fS3W4TpDjH0ub_eRlNOdj_OPO8YcIMOnc5JTYf2CLYNEVAgd1uNi4NFu3Ji24luDW2KYW0Vdes0ovtgrb61PnZR.310y4eFCh7eYpeWgC9y9vWYkeZksur4tRJL Received: from [74.226.200.218] by web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:46:31 PST Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:46:31 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=XQqxC0IJ1n4VUiWk46AzTtKI3XnflVZ3tSqkCndcTPQvoR_P04gy X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I tell yall some good music to play on an AM Stereo station if you want to show off seperation characteristics. Just play some psychedelic Jimi Hendrix. Damn man that stuff will be causing some major platform motion in your mind!! LOL!! I love how he made everything jump around on his records. No wonder hippies in the 60s were like "wow man thats far out". I would have been too! But in all honesty some of those psychedelic records are the best for showing off stereo. All that stereo wizzardry! -Kevin PS - I am currently listening to Jimi's 1967 release of "Axis Bold as Love" what a great album! Almost makes you wanna light up! Haha __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jan 10 02:40:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54454 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2007 10:40:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2007 10:40:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2007 10:40:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2007 10:39:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2007 10:39:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:39:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20070110084631.60308.qmail@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.42.32 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=4ZgqjIt5sj3F4yVPRlzDT5evWAvMaqxULdK1vgWZjCpLEwmh X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Kind of ironic, because Jimi actually preferred being clean and sober-=20 The drug overdose he died from was from perscription cold pills. But=20 yes, Jimi was a brilliant producer as well as performer and writer, and=20 his studio, Electric Ladyland, is still in existance, and last I heard,=20 still operational, or at least was until a few years ago, last I heard. I would also recommend from the same period, Traffic, Steve Winwood's=20 post Spencer Davis group, which also put out some great psychedelic=20 work. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Jan 10 07:37:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49332 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2007 15:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2007 15:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.108) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2007 15:37:05 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n11.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2007 15:37:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2007 15:37:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2007 15:37:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:37:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.108 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.68 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=c5fIgNh-cd6ECya_rlEa4HJRiLOC4iz-IC7x876tlKvNU3QK2Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > Kind of ironic, because Jimi actually preferred being clean and=20 sober-=20 > The drug overdose he died from was from perscription cold pills.=20 But=20 > yes, Jimi was a brilliant producer as well as performer and=20 writer, and=20 > his studio, Electric Ladyland, is still in existance, and last I=20 heard,=20 > still operational, or at least was until a few years ago, last I=20 heard. >=20 > I would also recommend from the same period, Traffic, Steve=20 Winwood's=20 > post Spencer Davis group, which also put out some great=20 psychedelic=20 > work. :) >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > I think the best was Pink Floyd's "Dark Side Of The Moon". (I read=20 there was a quadraphonic version of that work but I never heard it.) I think the final 60s and the first years of 70s was the best, very=20 good and glorious age of the stereo music!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Jan 10 07:43:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14759 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2007 15:43:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2007 15:43:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.206) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2007 15:43:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2007 15:43:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2007 15:43:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:43:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.68 From: "jotape1960" Subject: A question to the most advanced brain of the forum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=P6FuaEen-EIT80Kd4weR2B6JD_jSzwM8KE350pMUur5Y3914ww X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI GANG!!! We are leaving the multi channel age (more than 2 channels) now. So, Does somebody have tested some way to put more than 2 channels on=20 the air with the analog AM Stereo? I remember the old SQ Matrix to FM, I don't remember a satisfactory=20 experience with that but... it was a first attempt, at least! Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Jan 10 08:18:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42591 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2007 16:17:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2007 16:17:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s12.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2007 16:17:43 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.113]) by bay0-omc1-s12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:16:39 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:16:39 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:16:35 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:16:35 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2007 16:16:39.0252 (UTC) FILETIME=[B5480140:01C734D2] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.84 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: This Friday's (12 Jan 2007) XM's re-creation, WMEX Boston X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=pdcBzfL66I-KCD-gz-fePXienJkDgx9RVckLChLrqvsAkPWDheBvSybg5Vo X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo 4PM - 9PM ET The '60s XM 6 Sonic Sound Salutes: WMEX Boston, MA Terry The Motormouth Young transforms the 60's on 6 into these great stations every Friday, this week we will feature WMEX in Boston, MA. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Jan 10 10:47:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66921 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2007 18:47:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2007 18:47:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2007 18:47:36 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.106]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 142605897 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:41:29 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <009001c734e7$8ee65d20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:45:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 27, in=23, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.106 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo Receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=Ib4Axv1bvXn5Mg0O-DdrX-YkDLhZ-2Sc95ULTZH-lA9nDUlNmaMg X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Sometimes you can open the audio just by putting a small value cap across the ceramic resonator in the IF. It varies from unit to unit- could be as little as 10pf in one and 100pf in another. I've found doing that does mess up the selectivity somewhat- it will have better rejection of adjacent channels on one side or the other. Not much you can do to improve it if the receiver is deaf, though, Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" To: Now, if you have "contacs" in Japan, Amy, you could help me (if you want, of course) with my "new" Sony car radio. It's an excellent FM Stero tuner and CD player but... in AM..... IT'S THE WORST!!! Maybe you can help me if you get the electronic diagram (drawing) of this equipment (I don't have get it through the Sony web page). With teh diagram, I can study how to "open" the audio bandwidth. The model is: "SONY CDX-GT450 From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Jan 10 11:14:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55219 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2007 19:14:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2007 19:14:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2007 19:14:12 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.106]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 141594887 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:14:09 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <010a01c734ec$1e24c180$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <7FFD9BB3-9C3A-4234-B781-C409696A78F0@cox.net> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:18:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 47, in=44, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.106 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Selling Chris Cuff Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=sJtrgD_P5848nLDyWEkXjnbQXBaGVIUTPFpOleLHpQYZZPyrBvmK X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Did you take it down or sell it already? Couldn't find it listed. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wagoner" > If anyone is interested in picking up one of Chris Cuff's last > transmitters, I am reluctantly selling mine. The eBay listing is > 120073146509. From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Jan 10 13:24:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55139 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2007 21:24:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2007 21:24:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2007 21:24:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 82139 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2007 21:24:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20070110212414.82137.qmail@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: wmdm1aoVM1n73b_CQ_uwN2CkgMBdAdYLIlj_D8yD4zF0G9pRL6WEbwkFiUOdp1oeR9NTKshUWaID07QLSIOxSfSFSd6BgTMvMdl1o586u4_TsByrrbi8sKYDVnJTitxo4Or8Yjbi Received: from [74.226.200.218] by web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:24:14 PST Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:24:14 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=Bxc7ih4Q7KWh7kZxvx6nHlzFBsm5zkqsb7KA-HEx4z7RtCCZ5FkZ X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Juan, You are thinking about the SACD 5.1 surround version. I saw that disc still around here about two years ago but i've not seen one lately. I never got into SACD as I think it's silly to try and replace your whole catalog of music. I simply wasn't going to do that and all that music wasn't originally recorded in 5.1 so I tend not to like all these surround mixes. I prefer to hear it the way the artist intended it originally. As for music I love music from 1956-1973 at best. Past 1973 and it gets into that disco crap which was nothing more than a gimmick. Thats what brought all those ugly 70s fashions and silly clothes in. I was a kid then but I don't want to relive that era! -Kevin --- jotape1960 wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > > wrote: > > > > Kind of ironic, because Jimi actually preferred > being clean and > sober- > > The drug overdose he died from was from > perscription cold pills. > But > > yes, Jimi was a brilliant producer as well as > performer and > writer, and > > his studio, Electric Ladyland, is still in > existance, and last I > heard, > > still operational, or at least was until a few > years ago, last I > heard. > > > > I would also recommend from the same period, > Traffic, Steve > Winwood's > > post Spencer Davis group, which also put out some > great > psychedelic > > work. :) > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > I think the best was Pink Floyd's "Dark Side Of The > Moon". (I read > there was a quadraphonic version of that work but I > never heard it.) > > I think the final 60s and the first years of 70s was > the best, very > good and glorious age of the stereo music!!! > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Jan 10 13:38:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55718 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2007 21:35:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2007 21:35:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.39) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2007 21:35:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 37725 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2007 21:33:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dHKmjZIVM1kkceqLrc3gGvTYo3vq5TtoJ2D.qr0DbEl21COYGSVuYq7DmyQqvsv57HCauLso7aSg7HQYI0hAUxClj0vhWA5kw8Bmo9R9pKLUZL9j8G6RDOMRA.PFbd_5cyvQQ.b9FJ.67IRmXBFVB2IXf5NGPXSROG6MeF0tPhKMPzXwCse4Cg-- Received: from [74.226.200.218] by web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:33:01 PST Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:33:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <826233.37274.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} A question to the most advanced brain of the forum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=IcYBymn78h7wo4tGbt5gfY-xC_CxCQjbAwTlSjApJ3dqOLqhegbL X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I don't know because I am not an engineer but it would seem that there was the possibility of at least three channels. One on the main band and two on the outer side bands however it might cause cross talk amongst those channels. Of course you would need a receiver that would properly decode all three channels too! That is IF that were possible. -Kevin --- jotape1960 wrote: > HI GANG!!! > > We are leaving the multi channel age (more than 2 > channels) now. > > So, Does somebody have tested some way to put more > than 2 channels on > the air with the analog AM Stereo? > > I remember the old SQ Matrix to FM, I don't remember > a satisfactory > experience with that but... it was a first attempt, > at least! > > Thanks for your time!!! > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Jan 10 14:07:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77162 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2007 22:06:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2007 22:06:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2007 22:06:57 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.21]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 142636184 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:01:35 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001c73503$823601e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <826233.37274.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:05:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.21 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A question to the most advanced brain of the forum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=FA3Fh4qz4aGFEDM6aGlcMsHUyZDTEHpJZNO1n5w2qut3Y-XFbHHB X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Nope- two is about the best you'd do. L+R is sent via conventional AM and the L-R is the quadrature signal. Not sure if you could do ISB+quadrature. You could go from two to four if you tacked on a digital side-carrier. You'd only need 5-6kbps for the steering information. The question becomes where do we put that signal? Haven't given that angle much thought, though if it means further restriction of audio frequency response, do we really want to go there for more channels of sound? Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "clemsonbloke" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 3:33 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} A question to the most advanced brain of the forum > I don't know because I am not an engineer but it would > seem that there was the possibility of at least three > channels. One on the main band and two on the outer > side bands however it might cause cross talk amongst > those channels. Of course you would need a receiver > that would properly decode all three channels too! > That is IF that were possible. > > -Kevin > > > > --- jotape1960 wrote: > > > HI GANG!!! > > > > We are leaving the multi channel age (more than 2 > > channels) now. > > > > So, Does somebody have tested some way to put more > > than 2 channels on > > the air with the analog AM Stereo? > > > > I remember the old SQ Matrix to FM, I don't remember > > a satisfactory > > experience with that but... it was a first attempt, > > at least! > > > > Thanks for your time!!! > > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Have a burning question? > Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Jan 10 14:09:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88134 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2007 22:09:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2007 22:09:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2007 22:09:07 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.21]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 144709929 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:07:20 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c73504$4f729880$d503fea9@stodd> To: Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:11:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 1, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.21 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: OT- amp schematic needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=rcLUg-fF-9GZX33xb_kgYyD7tL8eNL-k_UH_dTARcSRo76izKWht X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know there are a number of folks who have the TM-152 AM stereo receiver, but do any of you have the companion SA-150 audio amp? I need a schematic for mine. I'm going to shotgun the lytics in the main part of the amp but want to skip the phono preamp section since it will not be used. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Jan 10 14:27:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98712 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2007 22:25:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2007 22:25:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.27) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2007 22:25:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 90641 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2007 22:14:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20070110221413.90639.qmail@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: YU7BSl4VM1mEajN1nW1M.lEhCt9vODhkjBd_EXHtauUtNIM5oEAOde2YGXRJ9_Be1WZr6sehnHI5XvXDUBYSRgWP7fYRx8GInsB3H8_jzCrwTc0efNbb3cFFQAnIppMYvaOyYCGCgAZYZTtyWoWB6lcATSCCIAFrEUy_np5_Au1MAQuKTswM6TDHCkZGjaSnbvjYSob0 Received: from [74.226.200.218] by web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:14:13 PST Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:14:13 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004001c73503$823601e0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} A question to the most advanced brain of the forum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=Jazd2ICeiVDmw96E4DPtbgYaC6vieewjvPx41uyMJ3mZ6y2RqDRM X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke No not really, Juan just wanted more channels. I'm fine as long as we could get two (stereo). --- Scott Todd wrote: > Nope- two is about the best you'd do. L+R is sent > via conventional AM and > the L-R is the quadrature signal. Not sure if you > could do ISB+quadrature. > You could go from two to four if you tacked on a > digital side-carrier. > You'd only need 5-6kbps for the steering > information. The question becomes > where do we put that signal? Haven't given that > angle much thought, though > if it means further restriction of audio frequency > response, do we really > want to go there for more channels of sound? > > Scott > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "clemsonbloke" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 3:33 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} A question to the most advanced > brain of the forum > > > > I don't know because I am not an engineer but it > would > > seem that there was the possibility of at least > three > > channels. One on the main band and two on the > outer > > side bands however it might cause cross talk > amongst > > those channels. Of course you would need a > receiver > > that would properly decode all three channels too! > > That is IF that were possible. > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > --- jotape1960 wrote: > > > > > HI GANG!!! > > > > > > We are leaving the multi channel age (more than > 2 > > > channels) now. > > > > > > So, Does somebody have tested some way to put > more > > > than 2 channels on > > > the air with the analog AM Stereo? > > > > > > I remember the old SQ Matrix to FM, I don't > remember > > > a satisfactory > > > experience with that but... it was a first > attempt, > > > at least! > > > > > > Thanks for your time!!! > > > > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > > From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > > Have a burning question? > > Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from > real people who know. > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Jan 10 14:41:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78974 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2007 22:40:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2007 22:40:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2007 22:40:17 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.254.135.228.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.254.135.228] helo=PossumHunter) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H4m6p-0003xZ-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:39:52 -0500 Message-ID: <023a01c73508$3df5adf0$e487fe04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:39:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A question to the most advanced brain of the forum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=kHR2hMBKx5BhD2O3-GPdgcISIhk4am3IaMMnjyS7V4QkZS4ZqJIfikX43a9d_g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Howdy Juan! C-QUAM will pass Matrix Quad and Dobly Pro-Logic2 will decode Matrix Quad! Kahn ISB will also pass Matrix Quad, but you get front to back platform motion in poor conditions. Matrix Quad only works well on FM if you are right under the tower where there is no blending. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 10:43 AM Subject: {AMSF} A question to the most advanced brain of the forum HI GANG!!! We are leaving the multi channel age (more than 2 channels) now. So, Does somebody have tested some way to put more than 2 channels on the air with the analog AM Stereo? I remember the old SQ Matrix to FM, I don't remember a satisfactory experience with that but... it was a first attempt, at least! Thanks for your time!!! From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Jan 10 14:53:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58116 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2007 22:52:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2007 22:52:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2007 22:52:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 61095 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2007 21:20:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20070110212035.61093.qmail@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: bC4yBQgVM1kXauKSWMQixJAZyFwzPyT3Nxj4sEQmq0KFp_PcHDicuGlWnt9W1ROuASkUH8rYOKMKOezraBHEGnx2RQuDAsNTFa3.rbKXYmyHnjv1xu7cKw.ZeyWsyy5VPXTD8TR7 Received: from [74.226.200.218] by web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:20:35 PST Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:20:35 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=4zkDscRE9fqcbie3V-5V0U8gJqYbF6YIn_Pq7zjDRQbnP94uBLs8 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I don't know about him being clean and sober. He had that headband with LSD hits in it at Woodstock. From all that i've read Jimi enjoyed drugs and used them as many of his day did, as inspiration for psychedelic music. At least from what i've read. You are right those other bands are great. I think Electric Ladyland Studios is stil in operation. At least it was in the 90s. I haven't researched it to see. Anyway great great music of that time! -Kevin --- Amy Mousie wrote: > Kind of ironic, because Jimi actually preferred > being clean and sober- > The drug overdose he died from was from perscription > cold pills. But > yes, Jimi was a brilliant producer as well as > performer and writer, and > his studio, Electric Ladyland, is still in > existance, and last I heard, > still operational, or at least was until a few years > ago, last I heard. > > I would also recommend from the same period, > Traffic, Steve Winwood's > post Spencer Davis group, which also put out some > great psychedelic > work. :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Jan 10 14:59:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15031 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2007 22:58:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2007 22:58:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2007 22:58:31 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.254.135.228.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.254.135.228] helo=PossumHunter) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H4mDz-0004b2-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:47:15 -0500 Message-ID: <024401c73509$46744030$e487fe04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:47:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=oCoY4gJJVjJstZHbi7cFYzo3WYvCBmDgKg1mIxBvmkGJzP52Cq2dA64qc3Xuvg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jotape1960 wrote: >I think the best was Pink Floyd's "Dark Side Of The Moon". (I read there was a quadraphonic version of that work but I never heard it.) I have the original Quadraphonic 8-Track of "Dark Side Of The Moon". I also have the Super Audio CD 5.1 version of "Dark Side Of The Moon". It is actually the original Quadraphonic mix with no 8-Track flutter or hiss. To say the SACD version of "Dark Side Of The Moon" sounds absolutely F*CKING AWESOME on a good 5.1 surround sound system would be an understatement. Now I want the SACD of Pink Floyd's "Meddle". Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Jan 10 15:18:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25849 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2007 23:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2007 23:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2007 23:13:41 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.254.135.228.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.254.135.228] helo=PossumHunter) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H4mUa-0006iz-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:04:25 -0500 Message-ID: <025301c7350b$ac1b9670$e487fe04@PossumHunter> To: References: <20070110212414.82137.qmail@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:04:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=fJQCR-tgqfGAce9kS5dXabZYU8YVJpG1S3IWWo5jOcQdSM8SqsYuvEuWApyxqg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 clemsonbloke wrote: >all that music wasn't originally recorded in 5.1 so I tend not to like all >these surround mixes. I prefer to hear it the way the artist intended it >originally. Once again you write without ever listening to the SACD and you have NO idea what you are talking about. Pink Floyd "Dark Side Of The Moon" was released in Quadraphonic tape the day BEFORE the Stereo LP was released. Many albums in the late 60s and 70s were originally released in Quadraphonic. Have you ever been listening to a Stereo recording of one of those songs and the phasing didn't sound quite right? Chances are you was listening to a Matrix Quad song played back in Standard Stereo. The next time you are listening to a Stereo release of Alive & Kicking's "Tighter & Tighter" turn on your Pro-Logic2 and watch it open up in Quadraphonic. The Jones-TM Gold Disc version is in Matrix Quadraphonic. Pick-Wick's version is too! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Jan 10 15:20:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2909 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2007 23:19:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2007 23:19:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2007 23:19:30 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.254.135.228.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.254.135.228] helo=PossumHunter) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H4mYE-0006z0-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:08:10 -0500 Message-ID: <025f01c7350c$327a1610$e487fe04@PossumHunter> To: References: <20070110212035.61093.qmail@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:08:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=UpfNECzT_jkX6ABCATHDogLvDUi2Fyh2xzJ7FfO6VibfeUG7n_WGX_MvMGXs0g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit clemsonbloke wrote: > I think Electric Ladyland Studios is stil in operation. It is Electric Lady Studios and they are still very much is business! http://www.electricladystudios.com/ Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Jan 10 16:07:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97447 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2007 00:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2007 00:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao07.cox.net) (68.230.241.32) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2007 00:06:30 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20070111000629.MVPA3976.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:06:29 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 9c6l1W0082DrW980000000; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:06:45 -0500 In-Reply-To: <010a01c734ec$1e24c180$d503fea9@stodd> References: <7FFD9BB3-9C3A-4234-B781-C409696A78F0@cox.net> <010a01c734ec$1e24c180$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <3EBA0AD1-2B08-4311-B8FA-E7936AF17587@cox.net> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:06:23 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Selling Chris Cuff Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=Uka0PunStFEFmLyw9eJ3601WDPuhjhsKezxyVlsM56Qg3WRu6Q0IMNoN0T87 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someone bought it that night. From Australia! Richard On Jan 10, 2007, at 11:18 AM, Scott Todd wrote: > Did you take it down or sell it already? Couldn't find it listed. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Wagoner" > > > If anyone is interested in picking up one of Chris Cuff's last > > transmitters, I am reluctantly selling mine. The eBay listing is > > 120073146509. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Jan 10 18:45:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66947 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2007 02:45:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2007 02:45:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.216) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2007 02:45:54 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2007 02:43:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2007 02:43:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2007 02:43:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 02:43:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <023a01c73508$3df5adf0$e487fe04@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.72 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A question to the most advanced brain of the forum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=NNXfDlWbwjwnwNeacoaglynGBB__qVxQGnB3WG5uu1e4dWn5Dw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > Howdy Juan! >=20 > C-QUAM will pass Matrix Quad and Dobly Pro-Logic2 will decode=20 Matrix Quad! >=20 > Kahn ISB will also pass Matrix Quad, but you get front to back=20 platform=20 > motion in poor conditions. >=20 > Matrix Quad only works well on FM if you are right under the tower=20 where=20 > there is no blending. >=20 > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a=20 mathematical=20 > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. -=20 Leonard Kahn >=20 > Hi Kevin! Thank you so much for your good news!!! It's very good C-QUAM and=20 ISB can pass more than two audio channels. Only one point: one of the reasons (maybe the main reason) about=20 the original fail of quadraphonic systems was (and maybe still is)=20 the poor or bad knowledge about where to put the speakers to get the=20 best quad results. There is a web page about this problem from Wendy=20 Carlos. The worst speakers position was/is the "theorically" perfect=20 position: each speaker in the 4 vertex of the imaginary perfect=20 square around you. With it, you lose the desireable effect. The best=20 position is: two normal stereo separation speakers in front of you=20 (the front channels), third speaker at your left side and fourth=20 speaker at your right side (the surround channels). See the Wendy=20 Carlos page to more details. With the today multichannels PC sound cards and the surround=20 software in market, we can build our own quad recordings to=20 broadcast to the air with our AM Stereo systems. The problem is to=20 do the right quad mix (SQ matrix, for example). If somebody knows=20 something about it, welcome!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Jan 10 19:05:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43943 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2007 03:02:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2007 03:02:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.8) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2007 03:02:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2007 03:00:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2007 03:00:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 03:00:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <024401c73509$46744030$e487fe04@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.72 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=JVlf_0Zx1hk-gZzfamxpfjglsktSW9MIYcJWaQZTLI23Hk3CCQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > jotape1960 wrote: > >I think the best was Pink Floyd's "Dark Side Of The Moon". (I=20 read there was a quadraphonic version of that work but I never heard=20 it.) >=20 > I have the original Quadraphonic 8-Track of "Dark Side Of The=20 Moon". >=20 > I also have the Super Audio CD 5.1 version of "Dark Side Of The=20 Moon". It is actually the original Quadraphonic mix with no 8-Track=20 flutter or hiss. To say the SACD version of "Dark Side Of The Moon"=20 sounds absolutely F*CKING AWESOME on a good 5.1 surround sound=20 system would be an understatement. >=20 > Now I want the SACD of Pink Floyd's "Meddle". >=20 > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a=20 mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than=20 FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > How lucky you are!!! I only could get the Stereo LP and CD, here. It isn't often to find things like "Super Audio CD 5.1" here. I saw=20 one, time ago, from a musical picture, but I didn't buy it because I=20 don't like that kind of music. I guess it sounds great, of course. An "in parenthesis" topic: somebody told about the inventors of AM=20 invented the FM because they couldn't improve the AM sound... mmm...=20 Mmm... MMM... I'm not sure about that story. I think the AM sound=20 could be better than the FM sound IF THE LAWS LET IT BE THAT WAY!!!=20 The limitations of the AM sound are in the rules not in the technics. I dream with an AM STEREO station with Pink Floyd/Emerson Lake &=20 Palmer/Yes... etc. music!!! Hahahaha!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jimsmith@vfr.net Wed Jan 10 19:13:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75406 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2007 03:13:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2007 03:13:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.214) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2007 03:13:21 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2007 03:13:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2007 03:13:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2007 03:13:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 03:13:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.149.243 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: A question to the most advanced brain of the forum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=qjOuQz9aOVzLlC983aVBxHUTLxqlsaf2daimcMfLKB87si4KHD0vBw X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 > wrote: > > > > Howdy Juan! > >=20 > > C-QUAM will pass Matrix Quad and Dobly Pro-Logic2 will decode=20 > Matrix Quad! > >=20 > > Kahn ISB will also pass Matrix Quad, but you get front to back=20 > platform=20 > > motion in poor conditions. > >=20 > > Matrix Quad only works well on FM if you are right under the=20 tower=20 > where=20 > > there is no blending. > >=20 > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a=20 > mathematical=20 > > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. -=20 > Leonard Kahn > >=20 > > >=20 > Hi Kevin! >=20 > Thank you so much for your good news!!! It's very good C-QUAM and=20 > ISB can pass more than two audio channels. >=20 > Only one point: one of the reasons (maybe the main reason) about=20 > the original fail of quadraphonic systems was (and maybe still is)=20 > the poor or bad knowledge about where to put the speakers to get=20 the=20 > best quad results. There is a web page about this problem from=20 Wendy=20 > Carlos. The worst speakers position was/is the "theorically"=20 perfect=20 > position: each speaker in the 4 vertex of the imaginary perfect=20 > square around you. With it, you lose the desireable effect. The=20 best=20 > position is: two normal stereo separation speakers in front of you=20 > (the front channels), third speaker at your left side and fourth=20 > speaker at your right side (the surround channels). See the Wendy=20 > Carlos page to more details. >=20 > With the today multichannels PC sound cards and the surround=20 > software in market, we can build our own quad recordings to=20 > broadcast to the air with our AM Stereo systems. The problem is to=20 > do the right quad mix (SQ matrix, for example). If somebody knows=20 > something about it, welcome!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > Hi Gang I had a qestion about the C-QuAM AM STEREO Quad system.=20 Would you have to have a Quad AM STEREO decoder? R L front R L=20=20 back . Just wondering. Take care Gang. Jim Smith=20 From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 10 19:49:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36313 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2007 03:47:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2007 03:47:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.204) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2007 03:47:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 92075 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2007 03:47:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jim8wpwl0kyh37) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@71.155.149.243 with login) by smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2007 03:47:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: gnhJutwVM1lGyO54kH14Zbu.jX_9Rf03HRFLtnqu59k8vmlRBZGIiLeXZz2vezFY3dRbTifAvrp8itBJ97KuV5kpD3xfn_8.LsRDrHspZ5GQMnXFpEcqOuvR96d5963ri.UDCv610BN6fg-- Message-ID: <000e01c73533$45e24750$d50bfea9@jim8wpwl0kyh37> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:47:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: What happend? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=MerhAl6b4_LEVI9189gqvF5_7hFlFuNn90VOst-rndxY3rJGct8abvf9ZzHTOYYzBDcN9OYv X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I did 'nt mean to bring the forum to a screacking halt guys. But yes i was sereus. Would you have to have a Quad AM STEREO decoder and or Dolby AM STEREO decoder? I know i can't spell. Take care gang. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Jan 10 20:28:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20213 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2007 04:28:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2007 04:28:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.27) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2007 04:28:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 80082 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2007 04:18:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GWiJP.EVM1kCn9_WfAI.gs8uMTpXu0EC60HEYetaY_iKkG.MoIFX23ewKSsvmQgdU16OqBb1grJfx0jhzJSbrar9wn8AegFK.3UlAc6oxvRomI8uCHKak.edaTxk2OaRIkHLd.oD Received: from [74.226.200.218] by web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 20:18:23 PST Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 20:18:23 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <024401c73509$46744030$e487fe04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <542909.76241.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=-Q09ZIV0_jaFW3ZtIAuZLvbcf-VvzmKKpIcKob_2Sfyn1btIzq7D X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Better order it or find it quick. SACD is a dead format. How is that the same mix as the quad version? Quad was 4 discrete channels and no LFE channel. 5.1 is 5 channels, 4 stereo channels, a center channel for vocals, and the .1 channel which is for LFE (Low Frequency Effects). It would have to be remixed for discrete 5.1 and not 4 channel quad. That is if you want a true center channel and true low effects channel. Kevin --- Possum Hunter wrote: > jotape1960 wrote: > >I think the best was Pink Floyd's "Dark Side Of The > Moon". (I read there was a quadraphonic version of > that work but I never heard it.) > > I have the original Quadraphonic 8-Track of "Dark > Side Of The Moon". > > I also have the Super Audio CD 5.1 version of "Dark > Side Of The Moon". It is actually the original > Quadraphonic mix with no 8-Track flutter or hiss. To > say the SACD version of "Dark Side Of The Moon" > sounds absolutely F*CKING AWESOME on a good 5.1 > surround sound system would be an understatement. > > Now I want the SACD of Pink Floyd's "Meddle". > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in > frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Jan 10 20:38:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33417 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2007 04:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2007 04:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.28) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2007 04:38:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 95880 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2007 04:36:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20070111043600.95878.qmail@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Zyq0ySwVM1ntYoS2bGCGJBQDqn2riu8_S6JIAmySiCXc0Rpo6Gs._kfFGAaZdz3bSvEXh0tRyET5qb75hzMKKuDLvZS5YFVxFOFGyQvEE_Y_Vj4AFg87ZVO0x1Q56R4CcXmMKNouNFGbQt.YTupUn2WVspw9Zn2awsmDtqlLIaMYFDcahev8gQ-- Received: from [74.226.200.218] by web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 20:36:00 PST Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 20:36:00 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <025301c7350b$ac1b9670$e487fe04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=WgPkU7zZ00Qq6RzJ1aZPN0XPa2EioCdXzP8vCdhYE3PcRKF4sQGR X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Exactly how are you decoding a quadraphonic recording with a pro logic system? Quadraphonic was discrete channels whereas pro logic is matrixed. Even if it weren't matrixed your CD player would need 4 outputs instead of 2 to achieve discrete quad. Back then the tape decks had left and right front and left and right rear channels and the amplifiers also had 4 inputs for all those channels. A cd player has left and right. Tell me exactly how you are decoding a quadraphonic recording? I could see it possible IF the CD was an SACD setup for 4 channels only, as quad was, because SACD players have all the required outputs and a modern digital surround receiver would have the required inputs. You can run ANY stereo recording through a pro logic or digital surround system and it WILL reproduce something thruoghout all the channels however that DOES NOT make it quad. Quad contains 4 discretely recorded channels, not matrixed as is Pro Logic. Dolby Digital and DTS are discrete systems but pro logic is matrixed. What you are hearing on those recordings is a fake surround rendition that is being processed from a normal 2 channel stereo recording. I have researched my books here that I have on recordings, I have an extensive library. I've also researched the net and i've yet to find a quadraphonic recording of any of Alive and Kickings material. I think you are incorrect here. Do not confuse discrete with matrix, theres a big difference. -Kevin --- Possum Hunter wrote: > clemsonbloke wrote: > >all that music wasn't originally recorded in 5.1 so > I tend not to like all > >these surround mixes. I prefer to hear it the way > the artist intended it > >originally. > > Once again you write without ever listening to the > SACD and you have NO idea > what you are talking about. > > Pink Floyd "Dark Side Of The Moon" was released in > Quadraphonic tape the day > BEFORE the Stereo LP was released. Many albums in > the late 60s and 70s were > originally released in Quadraphonic. > > Have you ever been listening to a Stereo recording > of one of those songs and > the phasing didn't sound quite right? Chances are > you was listening to a > Matrix Quad song played back in Standard Stereo. The > next time you are > listening to a Stereo release of Alive & Kicking's > "Tighter & Tighter" turn > on your Pro-Logic2 and watch it open up in > Quadraphonic. The Jones-TM Gold > Disc version is in Matrix Quadraphonic. Pick-Wick's > version is too! > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Jan 10 21:06:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66164 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2007 05:03:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2007 05:03:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.27) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2007 05:03:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 90090 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2007 05:02:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VMzjdo8VM1kDfKWGGECrvp7IcWB9vKJIxl1mv7qdkj0ZLYVESbweP3elxhltl6kxgBfmgYtRamUrgh5Mo00tAfzOHEqVABrFc6cPbalrp2ZsCTyoOJo2k_FFraMfXnv9kDv5cxzk Received: from [74.226.200.218] by web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:02:08 PST Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:02:08 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <811073.88836.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Quad X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=4HpDP2Ue2v4Lfiehx7OtLOnju8i-PGVHBF7dIZkytJmnbSm_qGE- X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke And discrete quad recordings did not come along till the mid 70s. Albums released in Quad that were from before that time were not originally recorded in discrete 4 channels. What was done to them was what is called electronically re-channeled into quad. That is not what the original artist intended. Quad was a 1970s technology. Before the early 70s most studios only had 8 tracks to work with total. They didn't have all these large multitrack machines that started becoming available in the 70s. Jimi Hendrix's 1967 purple haze album was recorded on a 4 track machine. In order for them to have made a quad recording out of it they would have had to double up on things and have more tracks to work with. 4 tracks is nothing to work with. That means you basically have 4 mic's or inputs available on the machine and that is it! Can you imagine recording that way in this day and time, heck no, no one can imagine that. It wasn't until around 1968-1969 that the 8 track machines started being available (not to be confused with 8 track cartridge tapes) im talking about multi track machines in the studios. It wasn't until the 70s when the bigger 16 track recorders showed up. Quad then became feasable to do but the market did not respond to it and it died. Quad and Pro Logic are very different systems. Quad is only possible if there are 4 inputs and outputs and 4 channels on a disk or tape to be decoded. When you are saying a Pro Logic 2 will decode a quad recording you are thinking about SQ (Stereo Quadraphonic) which was a competing MATRIXED system developed for LP records and not a DISCRETE one. In that scenario than yes a Pro Logic II decoder would recover some of the 4 channel matrixed information however that isn't and never was true quad which is a discrete system. Quad also did not have a center channel or low effects channel. It is a 4 channel discrete system and not a 5.1 Discrete. -Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com From mspproductions@gmail.com Wed Jan 10 21:41:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mspproductions@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10558 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2007 05:41:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2007 05:41:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.247) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2007 05:41:06 -0000 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c31so178353anc for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:40:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.174.16 with SMTP id w16mr742127ane.1168494049686; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:40:49 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from ?192.168.0.10? ( [24.239.92.147]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id c23sm1662272ana.2007.01.10.21.40.43; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:40:49 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.2.061213 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 00:40:39 -0500 To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} A question to the most advanced brain of the forum Thread-Index: Acc1QwZpRRndKKE2Edu96wADk639Qg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Matt Patoray Subject: Re: {AMSF} A question to the most advanced brain of the forum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272439332; y=A7GV7h9D8vDzI09oMmP4DEXWmu05lnOeJrTpq3BRrDtU9j0 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_patoray Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Dolby Surround will do Stereo Center and Mono surround from a stereo signal= . If run thorough a Dolby Pro Logic II decoder the 5 channel simulation is really good. All you need is an Encoder I think the model number is SEU4 takes the 4 channels in (balanced) and puts stereo out (balanced), of cours= e anything with Dolby already encoded will carry over. Matt On 1/10/07 10:43 AM, "jotape1960" wrote: >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20 > HI GANG!!! >=20 > We are leaving the multi channel age (more than 2 channels) now. >=20 > So, Does somebody have tested some way to put more than 2 channels on > the air with the analog AM Stereo? >=20 > I remember the old SQ Matrix to FM, I don't remember a satisfactory > experience with that but... it was a first attempt, at least! >=20 > Thanks for your time!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Thu Jan 11 05:34:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92020 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2007 13:34:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2007 13:34:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.62) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2007 13:34:01 -0000 Received: from [4.247.122.186] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1H503T-0008Nd-Rl for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 08:33:20 -0500 Message-ID: <380-220071411133321687@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.3.14.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 08:33:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc53a110ff8db1f21b1ed67b66f7587fb0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Selling Chris Cuff Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=oHOdlm2rBvcA4wkS2QutPSP494yBf65iv4T0FFNZWLN0rA I had no trouble finding it (using the auction #). Did you use eBay's search feature? Below is a link to the eBay search feature page. .http://search.ebay.com/ws/search/AdvSearch?sofindtype=13 I also found another Chris Cuff unit for sale using the eBay search page. It is item #320069397987. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: 1/11/2007 12:14:44 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Selling Chris Cuff Transmitter Did you take it down or sell it already? Couldn't find it listed. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wagoner" > If anyone is interested in picking up one of Chris Cuff's last > transmitters, I am reluctantly selling mine. The eBay listing is > 120073146509. From mtgc@hotmail.com Thu Jan 11 05:53:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32292 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2007 13:53:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2007 13:53:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s13.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2007 13:53:52 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.10.155]) by bay0-omc1-s13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 11 Jan 2007 05:51:32 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 05:51:32 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.215.65.146 by BAY122-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:51:28 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: References: <811073.88836.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 07:51:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2007 13:51:32.0701 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A2F80D0:01C73587] Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Michael Upton" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Quad X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=Fvie8evSW5xj-LdK-WpU2RaslG-OXDAnHAlkpQt3Uf4oWU1ggQyx X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As information, there was a discrete 4 channel vinyl record system. It was RCA's CD-4 system. Also, even with "only" 4 discrete channels, you can do a great quadraphonic mix, if your quad mixer is at all creative in using the 4 channels. Another bit of information, there were several Matrixed quad systems, among them SQ (Stereo-Quadraphonic) QS (Quad-Stereo) EV-4 (Electronic Voice 4??), ambisonics and RMS. If you have any interest in the old Quad systems, try the following address: http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/ These matrixed systems could be very "discrete like" when decoded properly via a Tate or other full logic decoder. I have a few Quad systems set up at my home, and from time to time when I am listening to the local oldies FM channel, they will play a record which will decode into pretty good quad via my Tate decoder, which tells me that they are probably playing a Quad encoded record. You can also do a pretty good job of decoding the old matrixed records via a Dolby or other logic decoder system. I truly enjoy this forum and have learned much. Keep up the good work, all of you!!! MTGC (Michael) ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:02 PM Subject: {AMSF} Quad And discrete quad recordings did not come along till the mid 70s. Albums released in Quad that were from before that time were not originally recorded in discrete 4 channels. What was done to them was what is called electronically re-channeled into quad. That is not what the original artist intended. Quad was a 1970s technology. Before the early 70s most studios only had 8 tracks to work with total. They didn't have all these large multitrack machines that started becoming available in the 70s. Jimi Hendrix's 1967 purple haze album was recorded on a 4 track machine. In order for them to have made a quad recording out of it they would have had to double up on things and have more tracks to work with. 4 tracks is nothing to work with. That means you basically have 4 mic's or inputs available on the machine and that is it! Can you imagine recording that way in this day and time, heck no, no one can imagine that. It wasn't until around 1968-1969 that the 8 track machines started being available (not to be confused with 8 track cartridge tapes) im talking about multi track machines in the studios. It wasn't until the 70s when the bigger 16 track recorders showed up. Quad then became feasable to do but the market did not respond to it and it died. Quad and Pro Logic are very different systems. Quad is only possible if there are 4 inputs and outputs and 4 channels on a disk or tape to be decoded. When you are saying a Pro Logic 2 will decode a quad recording you are thinking about SQ (Stereo Quadraphonic) which was a competing MATRIXED system developed for LP records and not a DISCRETE one. In that scenario than yes a Pro Logic II decoder would recover some of the 4 channel matrixed information however that isn't and never was true quad which is a discrete system. Quad also did not have a center channel or low effects channel. It is a 4 channel discrete system and not a 5.1 Discrete. -Kevin __________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Thu Jan 11 15:25:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70372 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2007 23:23:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2007 23:23:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.163) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2007 23:23:01 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n6.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2007 23:22:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2007 23:22:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2007 23:22:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 23:22:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: WOR Lyndhurst Towers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=g-wo0XLrOnpQvBmD8OKsJqnkSbcg-s_sYEkG-Uv-stxLgokA X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Tower demolition of the old site went off as planned today. You can view video at 7online.com: http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=3Dlocal&id=3D4926618 Tom Ray WOR From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Jan 11 15:44:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40496 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2007 23:40:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2007 23:40:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2007 23:40:10 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.25.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.25] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H59WK-0006ID-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:39:44 -0500 Message-ID: <02eb01c735d9$c5b160a0$196b5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:39:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: A question to the most advanced brain of the forum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=iTy_X0JCxaWyTT7xin2GSOabABAPWF5u_rg9ql1wee7Tdu6Spbpq7l7oUqrjgQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jimsmith95663 wrote: >Would you have to have a Quad AM STEREO decoder? R L front R L back . >Just wondering. Take care Gang. You just need a standard C-QUAM tuner playing into a Pro-Logic2 system. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Jan 11 15:54:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88749 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2007 23:49:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2007 23:49:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2007 23:49:05 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2007 23:44:30 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2007 23:44:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2007 23:44:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 23:44:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.109 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Quad X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=eJjziBjElfKOvWw35n7DpdYZdStJdTHLiFmc1vje9661sBE_uw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Upton" =20 wrote: > > As information, there was a discrete 4 channel vinyl record=20 system. It was RCA's CD-4 system. Also, even with "only" 4=20 discrete channels, you can do a great quadraphonic mix, if your=20 quad mixer is at all creative in using the 4 channels. Another bit=20 of information, there were several Matrixed quad systems, among them=20 SQ (Stereo-Quadraphonic) QS (Quad-Stereo) EV-4 (Electronic Voice=20 4??), ambisonics and RMS. If you have any interest in the old Quad=20 systems, try the following address: > http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/ > These matrixed systems could be very "discrete like" when decoded=20 properly via a Tate or other full logic decoder. I have a few Quad=20 systems set up at my home, and from time to time when I am listening=20 to the local oldies FM channel, they will play a record which will=20 decode into pretty good quad via my Tate decoder, which tells me=20 that they are probably playing a Quad encoded record. > You can also do a pretty good job of decoding the old matrixed=20 records via a Dolby or other logic decoder system. > I truly enjoy this forum and have learned much. Keep up the good=20 work, all of you!!! >=20 >=20 > MTGC (Michael) >=20 >=20 I never could have an RCA's CD-4 record but I still have my Pionner=20 4 channels receiver (with a very "decent" AM section). I only could=20 listen the CBS SQ Matrix records... not too much impressive as I=20 wanted but a "new" sound experience to me (remember it was in 1975).=20 Unfortunately, the equipment is in the living room of my house, not=20 in my studio, so I don't have tested it with my PC sound card (5.1).=20 I only have two SQ records and I don't have any other Quad source=20 here. Theorically, if C-QUAM AM Stereo and Kahn ISB AM Stereo can pass two=20 separate audio channels (left and right) to the air, then they could=20 pass the SQ Quadraphonic sound too (left front, right front, left=20 rear and right rear). Of course, the source must be an SQ matrix=20 recording and the listener must have an SQ matrix device out of the=20 C-QUAM AM Stereo or Kahn ISB AM Stereo receiver. The only problem would be how to do an SQ matrix, physical or=20 virtual, encoder. I know an standard today PC sound card has 5 channels plus subwoofer=20 but I think it would be more easy if we put the four channels into=20 an standard stereo channels format with an special software. I guess=20 there must be a trick or two to get it but I don't know any about. I think it could be a very nice experience to the today very weak AM=20 band. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Jan 11 15:58:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30248 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2007 23:58:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2007 23:58:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2007 23:58:59 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.25.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.25] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H59ov-0007cr-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:58:57 -0500 Message-ID: <030001c735dc$74ddf910$196b5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <20070111043600.95878.qmail@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:58:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=gQbeSuGytvhcc1Wpaa6hhtTm59KSlIK2QxxbY6TEjyQHqfkPED10JXkoe-gF3A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 clemsonbloke wrote: > Exactly how are you decoding a quadraphonic recording with a pro logic > system? Pro-Logic2 will decode Matrix Quad. > >Even if it weren't matrixed your CD player would need 4 outputs instead of >2 to achieve discrete quad. I didn't say it would decode discrete quad. It decodes Matrix Quad > >Quad contains 4 discretely recorded channels, not matrixed as is Pro Logic. Do your homework. There were several Matrix Quad systems. > >I've also researched the net and i've yet to find a quadraphonic recording >of any of Alive and Kickings material. The Album "Alive 'N Kickin'" was indeed released in QS Quadraphonic. > > I think you are incorrect here. Do not confuse discrete with matrix, > theres a big difference. You are the only one here who is confused. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jimsmith@vfr.net Thu Jan 11 16:11:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15498 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2007 00:06:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2007 00:06:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.206) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2007 00:06:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2007 00:05:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2007 00:05:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 00:05:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <02eb01c735d9$c5b160a0$196b5b04@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.149.130 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: A question to the most advanced brain of the forum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=8uYD2D6UjI6VckzYOPFfCfTpt9HeegMIEda_Fqu3lwXGxvGQj4nVYQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > jimsmith95663 wrote: > >Would you have to have a Quad AM STEREO decoder? R L front R L=20=20 back .=20 > >Just wondering. Take care Gang. >=20 > You just need a standard C-QUAM tuner playing into a Pro-Logic2=20 system. >=20 > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a=20 mathematical=20 > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard=20 Kahn > Hi If thats true i could do the same thing with a old 4 speaker=20 stereo amp but with out the Dolby. But ether one would not be true=20 Quad because you would not have the 4 channels of sound comeing from=20 the AM STEREO decoder. Right?? Jim Smith From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Jan 11 16:35:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52996 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2007 00:35:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2007 00:35:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2007 00:35:10 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.25.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.25] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H5ANw-0002cw-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:35:09 -0500 Message-ID: <03a601c735e1$831825a0$196b5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:35:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: A question to the most advanced brain of the forum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=TAvRrO4C2jNAe2h5_gq0b8M3vQMufcpxbOUt8YhDOqyNYkBT8f8rTX3EsaJigw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jimsmith95663 wrote: > Hi If thats true i could do the same thing with a old 4 speaker stereo > amp but with out the Dolby. But ether one would not be true Quad because > you would not have the 4 channels of sound comeing from the AM STEREO > decoder. Right?? WRONG! At the recording studio, the 4 channels are matrixed or electronically combined into just Left and Right. This can be played back by any Stereo source, but *IF* you play it back though a Decoder such as Dolby ProLogic2 or the original decoder, it will split the signals back into the original 4 channels. Pro-Logic2 does better with some systems than it does with others, but it does work. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Jan 11 16:53:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46559 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2007 00:52:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2007 00:52:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2007 00:52:30 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.25.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.25] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H5Aec-00042E-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:52:22 -0500 Message-ID: <041101c735e3$eb275420$196b5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:52:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=jVqkG2mCq8QMMyhYiNsa5laRDhm3gIsTiggrZK0G6S4Ih41mtTCJtBNTgTE8Eg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jotape1960 wrote: >It isn't often to find things like "Super Audio CD 5.1" here. I saw one, time ago, from a musical picture, but I didn't buy it because I don't like that kind of music. I guess it sounds great, of course. Super Audio CD is NOT dead. You can get the SACD release of Pink Floyd's "Dark Side Of The Moon" here: http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?z=y&EAN=724358213621&itm=1 or http://tinyurl.com/ymrru9 > >I think the AM sound could be better than the FM sound IF THE LAWS LET IT BE THAT WAY!!! The limitations of the AM sound are in the rules not in the technics. Very True! Radio Station WLW was certified "High Fidelity" with frequency responce exceeding 20Cps-20,000Cps in the 1930s! > >I dream with an AM STEREO station with Pink Floyd/Emerson Lake & Palmer/Yes... etc. music!!! Hahahaha!!! We do have a Clasic Rock format AM pirate radio station out here in the forest, but it is Mono. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith@vfr.net Thu Jan 11 19:53:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21566 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2007 03:52:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2007 03:52:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.128) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2007 03:52:05 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2007 03:50:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2007 03:50:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2007 03:50:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 03:50:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <03a601c735e1$831825a0$196b5b04@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.25.47.101 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: A question to the most advanced brain of the forum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=4KPCUmfHIJkIMmlfyCsehmrteOCjc44g3a_jSXqAfGmLn_k-wyU6Hg X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > jimsmith95663 wrote: > > Hi If thats true i could do the same thing with a old 4 speaker=20 stereo=20 > > amp but with out the Dolby. But ether one would not be true Quad=20 because=20 > > you would not have the 4 channels of sound comeing from the AM=20 STEREO=20 > > decoder. Right?? >=20 > WRONG! > At the recording studio, the 4 channels are matrixed or=20 electronically=20 > combined into just Left and Right. This can be played back by any=20 Stereo=20 > source, but *IF* you play it back though a Decoder such as Dolby=20 ProLogic2=20 > or the original decoder, it will split the signals back into the=20 original 4=20 > channels. Pro-Logic2 does better with some systems than it does=20 with others,=20 > but it does work. >=20 > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a=20 mathematical=20 > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard=20 Kahn > Hi Thank you for explaining that for me i did not unstand untill now=20 how that work. I did not know that Dolby Pro-logic2 did that. Now is=20 Dolby Pro logic2 a analog software? Take care Possum Hunter Jim Smith From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Jan 11 19:55:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85096 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2007 03:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2007 03:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.121) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2007 03:55:17 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2007 03:55:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2007 03:55:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2007 03:55:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 03:55:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <041101c735e3$eb275420$196b5b04@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.121 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.16 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=aNs5nkkwKzIVYB23iOfTEZ7wQdBkQuaKWl1y2xbLYrNZ6Af9sQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > jotape1960 wrote: > >It isn't often to find things like "Super Audio CD 5.1" here. I=20 saw one, time ago, from a musical picture, but I didn't buy it=20 because I don't like that kind of music. I guess it sounds great, of=20 course. >=20 > Super Audio CD is NOT dead. You can get the SACD release of Pink=20 Floyd's "Dark Side Of The Moon" here: >=20 > http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp? z=3Dy&EAN=3D724358213621&itm=3D1 >=20 > or >=20 > http://tinyurl.com/ymrru9=20 > > > >I think the AM sound could be better than the FM sound IF THE=20 LAWS LET IT BE THAT WAY!!! The limitations of the AM sound are in=20 the rules not in the technics. >=20 > Very True! Radio Station WLW was certified "High Fidelity" with=20 frequency responce exceeding 20Cps-20,000Cps in the 1930s! > > > >I dream with an AM STEREO station with Pink Floyd/Emerson Lake &=20 Palmer/Yes... etc. music!!! Hahahaha!!! >=20 > We do have a Clasic Rock format AM pirate radio station out here=20 in the forest, but it is Mono. >=20 > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a=20 mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than=20 FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Lucky of you, again!!! Does somebody know if there was/is a cryptic agreement among the USA=20 AM radio station owners to not radiate music? (Maybe to avoid to pay=20 the author rights?) ??? I ask it because I can't understand how can it be possible!!! The=20 most important music production country in the whole world and its=20 radios don't transmit music!!! How? Why? And you told me about a radio with a very good music but... PIRATE!!! I think I must be a complete idiot but, sorry, I can't understand=20 it!!! I think there are a lot of very, very, very, very, good stereo music=20 from the last 3 years of the 1960's and the first 4 years of the=20 1970's (before the commercial Disco music spoiled the party). I=20 remember records from Neil Diamond, Cat Stevens, Bee Gees, Lobo,=20 Beatles, Simon & Garfunkel, Bread, etc. I still could listen the=20 great and good separated and balanced spatial sound distribution of=20 the instruments from those records. A sample: the song "Don't expect=20 me to be your friend" from Lobo; in the middle part of the song, an=20 harmonic solo in the center ends with a high note, then is mixed=20 with the same note from the violins split at left and right with=20 some spatial reverb, so good effect!!! It would be great if we could hear that music again IN AM STEREO!!! Please, at least, let me dream!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jan 11 21:27:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61030 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2007 05:27:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2007 05:27:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52215.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.138) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2007 05:27:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 44807 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2007 05:26:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: PWyFqHAVM1kj5mR0Hg8TnK_45DMFYCMWAew9Yl4ezpIf08ZDY_IFTAiyN_0.pE5R4D1hMM.iBnf0EP2AIZWRBnsfHEnUDnzGjFGJCxZ5r9yroTZS3Wb9RKLV0AhSsk4jVUYLnkbyzxEkKc8- Received: from [12.76.217.79] by web52215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:26:27 PST Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:26:27 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <533698.44787.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=7bUZa2AmRUghrHKZCmiM0yD-cGdVSb9TJ3Jz2RVY5TA X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jotape1960 wrote: > Does somebody know if there was/is a cryptic > agreement among the USA > AM radio station owners to not radiate music? (Maybe > to avoid to pay > the author rights?) ??? > > I ask it because I can't understand how can it be > possible!!! The > most important music production country in the whole > world and its > radios don't transmit music!!! How? Why? > > And you told me about a radio with a very good music > but... PIRATE!!! Can you rephrase that? I am not understanding what you are saying here. > I think there are a lot of very, very, very, very, > good stereo music > from the last 3 years of the 1960's and the first 4 > years of the > 1970's (before the commercial Disco music spoiled > the party). I > remember records from Neil Diamond, Cat Stevens, Bee > Gees, Lobo, > Beatles, Simon & Garfunkel, Bread, etc. I still > could listen the > great and good separated and balanced spatial sound > distribution of > the instruments from those records. A sample: the > song "Don't expect > me to be your friend" from Lobo; in the middle part > of the song, an > harmonic solo in the center ends with a high note, > then is mixed > with the same note from the violins split at left > and right with > some spatial reverb, so good effect!!! > > It would be great if we could hear that music again > IN AM STEREO!!! If you mean THAT, well the so called consultants have deemed that music ( which I like ) is considered to be too old and out of favor. GRRRR !! (showing wolf teeth!) Powell From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Jan 11 23:58:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95818 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2007 07:49:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2007 07:49:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.31) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2007 07:49:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 28333 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2007 07:49:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20070112074940.28331.qmail@web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: g373xUMVM1kaJLPKWKnmyYZ3bVvRDDc2CEuI7LAaH_eM8nMB5mv75QZSJ4YoBGRGhyva3RS8HfoWZxf1fTUIxPsX_5BsQQgBB43gEv5JVIZ.S8LqY2eCFzo_U32UKutx_oWQgtwu2kA4s6sIYR44oZ2XZXnxIdAZ5rFc1xzol32wbOY_zH2y4Q-- Received: from [74.226.200.218] by web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 23:49:40 PST Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 23:49:40 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <030001c735dc$74ddf910$196b5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=7oURwnK1j3jYNTmRMRpQNqLdLG-cC2Ts5q3aOVrxgtrpbB4fZwZd X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Put simply any matrixed system is not Quad, it's matrixed. I think more folks will chime in on this fact. That is WHY Quad was developed, to have 4 discrete channels. The matrixed stuff came along later when they saw quad wasn't going to make it as 4 seperate channels. Not many people were willing to re-invest in new equipment at the time just to have 4 discrete channels. Pro logic will only decode portions of the SQ matrix discs, research and you'll find that out. You don't even need a decoder to pull out matrix information. You can do this with a regular stereo receiver. Simply take two speakers to the rear connect the negative terminals of those back to speakers together then connect the positive of the left rear to the positive of the left front and connect the right rear positive to the right front positive. Oila' that is matrix period and that will decode those SQ discs. You can add a potentiometer in the mix if you wish for a level control. Quad was a discrete system. It was NEVER intended to be a matrix system. Go talk to true quad enthusiasts, they'll laugh when you call any matrix system quad. Alive and Kicking may have been released on an SQ disc however that is not, as I said in the earlier post, quad. You could run the stereo disc of that recording thruogh that simple matrix setup I aforementioned above and you would get very similar results. I firmly stand by my comments about this. -Kevin --- Possum Hunter wrote: > clemsonbloke wrote: > > Exactly how are you decoding a quadraphonic > recording with a pro logic > > system? > > Pro-Logic2 will decode Matrix Quad. > > > >Even if it weren't matrixed your CD player would > need 4 outputs instead of > >2 to achieve discrete quad. > > I didn't say it would decode discrete quad. It > decodes Matrix Quad > > > >Quad contains 4 discretely recorded channels, not > matrixed as is Pro Logic. > > Do your homework. There were several Matrix Quad > systems. > > > >I've also researched the net and i've yet to find a > quadraphonic recording > >of any of Alive and Kickings material. > > The Album "Alive 'N Kickin'" was indeed released in > QS Quadraphonic. > > > > I think you are incorrect here. Do not confuse > discrete with matrix, > > theres a big difference. > > You are the only one here who is confused. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Jan 12 00:12:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77612 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2007 08:11:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2007 08:11:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.34) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2007 08:11:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 39690 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2007 07:59:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: l9O2f8cVM1kYqzVCMXCpODJdH.IEV59DHTKT8I614jeplvPizfQAbh9e4i91psV_7s31Y8HeJ8FYpib1eZn8Rr.p8J1PQ4w730ic_tYh7SzxwNa3RcxKGxiDOGNISGH_JpdE4V_N Received: from [74.226.200.218] by web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 23:59:41 PST Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 23:59:41 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <041101c735e3$eb275420$196b5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <525579.39676.qm@web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=CTXYAWstaz1VeZ2TNw8KswrlO3t6X4r6b6B8WgaRKRuCyQ42zqTk X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Yes you can still buy discs but that is just the stock left. All the major people in audio magazines and commentary have declared it a dead format the same way they declared DCC a dead format. If anything I would put more faith on an audio DVD format than SACD. Everything will be based around the newer DVD formats in years to come including audio,not SACD. -Kevin BTW - Why are you such a bit Pro Logic person? Thats even dead in reality. It's all Dolby Digital EX and DTS ES. I know because my system decodes all the surround formats. My system is 7.1 --- Possum Hunter wrote: > jotape1960 wrote: > >It isn't often to find things like "Super Audio CD > 5.1" here. I saw one, time ago, from a musical > picture, but I didn't buy it because I don't like > that kind of music. I guess it sounds great, of > course. > > Super Audio CD is NOT dead. You can get the SACD > release of Pink Floyd's "Dark Side Of The Moon" > here: > > http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?z=y&EAN=724358213621&itm=1 > > or > > http://tinyurl.com/ymrru9 > > > >I think the AM sound could be better than the FM > sound IF THE LAWS LET IT BE THAT WAY!!! The > limitations of the AM sound are in the rules not in > the technics. > > Very True! Radio Station WLW was certified "High > Fidelity" with frequency responce exceeding > 20Cps-20,000Cps in the 1930s! > > > >I dream with an AM STEREO station with Pink > Floyd/Emerson Lake & Palmer/Yes... etc. music!!! > Hahahaha!!! > > We do have a Clasic Rock format AM pirate radio > station out here in the forest, but it is Mono. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in > frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Jan 12 00:25:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24389 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2007 08:25:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m38a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2007 08:25:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.28) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2007 08:24:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 39491 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2007 08:14:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20070112081432.39489.qmail@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: CMwrQWUVM1mpzG3CXNt_WuTcsDj8gpOOTS7EgeAzpCn8i8DDnGTCQOcPS18Xy_hRMRgidIkYAvwI1RCE.o2Y0qbUEyjmQoui4FBQ17wegw0eSz1wt8lV47QgLiZoaApvxJLZmo1t Received: from [74.226.200.218] by web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Jan 2007 00:14:31 PST Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 00:14:31 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=EuKWl9sHP0gzuds5zyaa6eOiZhXgK4CyJ2pI4jLU3oREDpSiJMgL X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I agree that much of the 1968-1974 era recordings were really miked nicely and had clean stereo sound before it got all mucked up with overprocessing. Much of it had a more "open" sense of space. Now there were some fumbles still though, not all of it was great. --- jotape1960 wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum > Hunter" > wrote: > > > > jotape1960 wrote: > > >It isn't often to find things like "Super Audio > CD 5.1" here. I > saw one, time ago, from a musical picture, but I > didn't buy it > because I don't like that kind of music. I guess it > sounds great, of > course. > > > > Super Audio CD is NOT dead. You can get the SACD > release of Pink > Floyd's "Dark Side Of The Moon" here: > > > > > http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp? > z=y&EAN=724358213621&itm=1 > > > > or > > > > http://tinyurl.com/ymrru9 > > > > > >I think the AM sound could be better than the FM > sound IF THE > LAWS LET IT BE THAT WAY!!! The limitations of the AM > sound are in > the rules not in the technics. > > > > Very True! Radio Station WLW was certified "High > Fidelity" with > frequency responce exceeding 20Cps-20,000Cps in the > 1930s! > > > > > >I dream with an AM STEREO station with Pink > Floyd/Emerson Lake & > Palmer/Yes... etc. music!!! Hahahaha!!! > > > > We do have a Clasic Rock format AM pirate radio > station out here > in the forest, but it is Mono. > > > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM > radio. From a > mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency > response than > FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > Lucky of you, again!!! > > Does somebody know if there was/is a cryptic > agreement among the USA > AM radio station owners to not radiate music? (Maybe > to avoid to pay > the author rights?) ??? > > I ask it because I can't understand how can it be > possible!!! The > most important music production country in the whole > world and its > radios don't transmit music!!! How? Why? > > And you told me about a radio with a very good music > but... PIRATE!!! > > I think I must be a complete idiot but, sorry, I > can't understand > it!!! > > I think there are a lot of very, very, very, very, > good stereo music > from the last 3 years of the 1960's and the first 4 > years of the > 1970's (before the commercial Disco music spoiled > the party). I > remember records from Neil Diamond, Cat Stevens, Bee > Gees, Lobo, > Beatles, Simon & Garfunkel, Bread, etc. I still > could listen the > great and good separated and balanced spatial sound > distribution of > the instruments from those records. A sample: the > song "Don't expect > me to be your friend" from Lobo; in the middle part > of the song, an > harmonic solo in the center ends with a high note, > then is mixed > with the same note from the violins split at left > and right with > some spatial reverb, so good effect!!! > > It would be great if we could hear that music again > IN AM STEREO!!! > > Please, at least, let me dream!!! > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail From mtgc@hotmail.com Fri Jan 12 05:20:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68199 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2007 13:20:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2007 13:20:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s38.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.238) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2007 13:20:23 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.10.144]) by bay0-omc3-s38.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 12 Jan 2007 05:19:37 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 Jan 2007 05:19:37 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.215.65.146 by BAY122-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:19:35 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: References: <20070112074940.28331.qmail@web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 07:19:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2007 13:19:37.0066 (UTC) FILETIME=[4ECA8CA0:01C7364C] Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.238 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Michael Upton" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=nkQ4se9XXwtmZ15tDvPcS-zlzF75DeOlvTBvTau7BjyE1PIXZMsg X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry to disagree, but matrix was a form of quadraphonic (4 channel) reproduction, and if you will check, most 4 channel (quad) persons, like myself, do not laugh at the idea of matrix quadraphonic reproduction. Was matrix absolutely discrete? No, it was not. But with a good decoder (Tate II or Lafayette full logic) you can get close to discrete functionality out of a matrix record. Matrix "stuff" did not come later, but was developed along the same time as the only truly discrete vinyl LP record playback system, RCA's CD4. It was truly discrete 4 channel, but suffered from the fact that the surround information was frequency response limited to about 12K, due the the fact that it was carried on the record as a high frequency (inaudble) carrier superimposed on the stereo grooves. You mention using the negative and positive speaker leads to get a "quasi-quad" effect. This is called the Haffler circuitry, and was developed to recover some of the phase shifted surround material encoded in stereo discs to give a feeling of "fullness" to the stereo image, and contrary to your statement, voila, you don't have a decoder for SQ records. If you get absolutely technical about it, the only truly discrete quad sources from the 70's were the tape formats, the 8 track cartridges (hiss city) and the reel to reel tapes. My two (ok, maybe three) cents worth. MTGC (Michael) ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 1:49 AM Subject: Re: {AMS} Re: Music for AM stereo Put simply any matrixed system is not Quad, it's matrixed. I think more folks will chime in on this fact. That is WHY Quad was developed, to have 4 discrete channels. The matrixed stuff came along later when they saw quad wasn't going to make it as 4 seperate channels. Not many people were willing to re-invest in new equipment at the time just to have 4 discrete channels. Pro logic will only decode portions of the SQ matrix discs, research and you'll find that out. You don't even need a decoder to pull out matrix information. You can do this with a regular stereo receiver. Simply take two speakers to the rear connect the negative terminals of those back to speakers together then connect the positive of the left rear to the positive of the left front and connect the right rear positive to the right front positive. Oila' that is matrix period and that will decode those SQ discs. You can add a potentiometer in the mix if you wish for a level control. Quad was a discrete system. It was NEVER intended to be a matrix system. Go talk to true quad enthusiasts, they'll laugh when you call any matrix system quad. Alive and Kicking may have been released on an SQ disc however that is not, as I said in the earlier post, quad. You could run the stereo disc of that recording thruogh that simple matrix setup I aforementioned above and you would get very similar results. I firmly stand by my comments about this. -Kevin --- Possum Hunter wrote: > clemsonbloke wrote: > > Exactly how are you decoding a quadraphonic > recording with a pro logic > > system? > > Pro-Logic2 will decode Matrix Quad. > > > >Even if it weren't matrixed your CD player would > need 4 outputs instead of > >2 to achieve discrete quad. > > I didn't say it would decode discrete quad. It > decodes Matrix Quad > > > >Quad contains 4 discretely recorded channels, not > matrixed as is Pro Logic. > > Do your homework. There were several Matrix Quad > systems. > > > >I've also researched the net and i've yet to find a > quadraphonic recording > >of any of Alive and Kickings material. > > The Album "Alive 'N Kickin'" was indeed released in > QS Quadraphonic. > > > > I think you are incorrect here. Do not confuse > discrete with matrix, > > theres a big difference. > > You are the only one here who is confused. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > __________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Jan 12 09:34:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87648 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2007 17:30:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2007 17:30:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.207) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2007 17:30:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2007 17:25:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2007 17:25:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 17:25:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.112 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=I01MqP0kVcJcmhsZy8_GH2uJRx3_E-afQgzXI98yc9LwDQL21A X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI GANG!!! Well, I'm not laughing about any matrixed audio system. If you=20 remember, the very well-known and absolutely well evaluated FM=20 Stereo system IS A MATRIXED SYSTEM. I don't like the idea of=20 matrixed sound but I have to recognize IT WORKS!!! Of course, I've always had the idea the FM matrix is absolutely=20 unnecessary because you transmit two channels with two channels (the=20 main L+R and the sub L-R). Why not to use the main channel L+R to=20 the mono compatible part and two subcarriers one to the left channel=20 and the other to the right channel? The FM channels bandwidth let it. I'm not a Pro Logic age citizen. I only have two experiences with=20 more than two channels: 1) the SQ Matrix records through my Pionner=20 Quadraphonic Receiver (the model with the squared four lights=20 display), and 2) my PC sound card with 5.1 system. The SQ matrix=20 experience I would summarize as a a very good stereo front channels=20 with a good reverb effect from the surround channels, and the 5.1=20 experience... I think I don't have heard enough samples to give a=20 valid opinion. Well, it isn't too much experience, I know it, but...=20 it's an experience (sometimes too much experience doesn't mean a=20 good quality experience). About the very good stereo music from 1968 to 1974, I don't care=20 about the self-called "art critics". Yes, it's old music, BUT A VERY=20 GOOD MUSIC!!! (Better than some today rhythm noise). Even, I had a record from 1958, yes 1958, a jazz session record. I=20 don't know how they did it but the stereo open space effect is=20 absolutely fantastic and real!!! You can listen the jazz band with a=20 very natural space distribution, full frecuency range, right amount=20 of reverb and not too much compressing artifacts. An art=20 masterpiece!!! I wonder if that record would be broadcasted that=20 year in AM STEREO... Let me dream and tell me there will be some hope!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From raynor_jeff@yahoo.com Fri Jan 12 09:54:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: raynor_jeff@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50333 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2007 17:50:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2007 17:50:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web35915.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.179.199) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2007 17:50:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 59670 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2007 17:49:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: gz8GoFEVM1mKA0VfphU0r3zc7vDeAx.SNibyagfkIzDMmGa_H3TM_AsfUckjnjRu38zVx2HME.yyOTTU341N29nu7HEfaS4TEqXbz3NmGxDaIb4QNNPXaCwN3EJ4FGveV49BNm.KiRo7Lrg- Received: from [71.0.80.147] by web35915.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Jan 2007 09:49:58 PST Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 09:49:58 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <331837.59182.qm@web35915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.179.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio Reply-To: Jeff@1600WXMY.com Subject: Re:WOR Lyndhurst Towers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=221315206; y=uOzmY1sI9vWoN1tHbpY6FUR-L8wlESVIJzteKGbXc-_1g133jng X-Yahoo-Profile: raynor_jeff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I understand "progress" and "moving ahead", but I still hate to see something like that disappear. Best of luck to WOR with their new site. I've read it's been one huge headache to get moved from the old place. Did anyone want to scavange pieces of the old towers? Did any of the beacons or sidemarkers make it safely to the ground without being obliterated? Going ALL digital, huh? hmmm.. Hey, can I have that big white satellite dish out behind the old transmitter building where the TV reporter was standing? I'll drive up and come get it. I got first dibbs! Jeff Jeff Raynor www.1600WXMY.com www.VoiceofJeff.com P.O. Box 5555 Chilhowie, VA 24319 276-496-0016 276-496-0005-fax --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Fri Jan 12 11:03:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74140 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2007 19:00:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2007 19:00:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.118) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2007 19:00:19 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2007 18:59:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2007 18:59:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2007 18:59:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 18:59:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <331837.59182.qm@web35915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.118 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re:WOR Lyndhurst Towers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=Ar6SvDul2jX2gGPxqqQmN1fABCFul1t7cenzu6bKbWRzDuau X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio wrote: > > I understand "progress" and "moving ahead", but I still hate to see something like that disappear. Best of luck to WOR with their new site. I've read it's been one huge headache to get moved from the old place. Did anyone want to scavange pieces of the old towers? Did any of the beacons or sidemarkers make it safely to the ground without being obliterated? [TR] I don't know. I went and climbed around on things yesterday, but the phragmities (yep...that's what they're called!) are somewhat tall and it's hard to see. The tower crew said they'd keep an eye out for light fixtures for me. And yeah. There were some people groping for souvenirs. We have no use for them. >=20=20=20=20 > Going ALL digital, huh? hmmm.. [TR] Since the TV stations are about to be "all digital", when it was mentioned that the new facility was designed for digital from the ground up, they picked up on that and it became "all digital". Of course, someone else was reporting that "TERRORISTS DID NOT TAKE DOWN THE TOWERS". Appears they don't know the tower crew :-) >=20=20=20=20 > Hey, can I have that big white satellite dish out behind the old transmitter building where the TV reporter was standing? I'll drive up and come get it. I got first dibbs! [TR] No no no. Can't have that one. She was standing behind the NEW building...that dish is live. [TR] The dish at the old site could be up for grabs. It's a bit rusty, but identical to the one you saw. TR >=20=20=20=20 > Jeff=20 >=20 >=20 > Jeff Raynor=20 > www.1600WXMY.com=20 > www.VoiceofJeff.com=20 > P.O. Box 5555=20 > Chilhowie, VA 24319=20 > 276-496-0016=20 > 276-496-0005-fax >=20=20 > --------------------------------- > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Jan 12 11:40:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94040 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2007 19:40:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2007 19:40:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2007 19:40:47 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.206.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.206] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H5SGb-0004C9-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:40:45 -0500 Message-ID: <01eb01c73681$8d4f8b30$ce6c5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <20070112074940.28331.qmail@web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:40:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=7d0ef3FdxFEtDlwKkfYQy3ZS38UDv-fnr23G_OHLxTY0s4q3kwSV9Y9Swh-w0g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 clemsonbloke wrote: > Put simply any matrixed system is not Quad, Why do you write so much about things you have no idea about? Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Jan 12 12:22:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8775 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2007 20:18:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2007 20:18:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2007 20:18:37 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.206.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.206] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H5Sna-00074J-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:14:51 -0500 Message-ID: <021a01c73686$50ade640$ce6c5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:14:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=duqvHqOWby82kyKDxMpMvML4rMkqQ_vEqff5D8igJ3348vPM4N8siNbo7rtjUA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jotape1960 wrote: > The most important music production country in the whole world and its > radios don't transmit music!!! How? Why? You know he old saying "Talk Is Cheap"? Well it is! There are no ASCAP/BMI/SEASAC Fees to pay, No DJs to pay, No music services to pay, No MDs to pay...You just turn on the satellite and the Phantom automation and let 'er rip! > >And you told me about a radio with a very good music but... PIRATE!!! Yup and you can bet your last Dime that pirate ain't paying ANY license fees. > >I think I must be a complete idiot but, sorry, I can't understand it!!! The owners of AM stations are mostly using them as tax write-offs. They want to run them as cheaply as possible. > >It would be great if we could hear that music again IN AM STEREO!!! Radio Station WNMB is as good as it gets. That station, despite all of the things working against them, is making money and is alive and well in Stereo! Now if a little 500 Watt station in a small market dominated by FMs can make money, the 50 KW Blow-Torch stations should be able to play music in Stereo and make a bloody killing, but their corporate masters won't let them. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Jan 12 13:16:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49075 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2007 20:03:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2007 20:03:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2007 20:03:33 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.206.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.206] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H5SZx-0005so-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:00:46 -0500 Message-ID: <020701c73684$58e14610$ce6c5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:00:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: A question to the most advanced brain of the forum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=89fotWg3Thz42lxLIpQc_KxCO7o1Av50L9qHnxP5jyKgxcLZLNxX5RYRg6Ic1Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jimsmith95663 wrote: >Now is Dolby Pro logic2 a analog software? It is a Chip inside of many Home Theater and Stereo systems. BTW, My home theater with ProLogic2 is a Sony 1000 Watt "Dream System" with upgraded capacitors and mods, and Kilpsch Synergy B2 speaker system. If I were buying new, it may not be my first choice, but I got it fried by lightning on Freecycle, so I fixed it, upgraded it. and upgraded the speakers. For the money I have invested, it really is a nice sounding system. No, it does NOT sound as good as my Tube system, but still, It is impressive when listening to SACDs on it. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From raynor_jeff@yahoo.com Fri Jan 12 13:29:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: raynor_jeff@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9996 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2007 21:29:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2007 21:29:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.122) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2007 21:29:42 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2007 21:29:39 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2007 21:29:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2007 21:29:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 21:29:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <021a01c73686$50ade640$ce6c5b04@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.122 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.0.80.147 From: "Jeff Raynor" Subject: {AMSF} Re: No licensing fees? Don't count on it. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=221315206; y=aQaNMBYEpXHlyUgmubKr00hyZfc6gc9JZiXj9YphR7j2BY4C6fM X-Yahoo-Profile: raynor_jeff --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: You know he old saying "Talk Is Cheap"? Well it is! There are no=20 ASCAP/BMI/SEASAC Fees to pay, No DJs to pay, No music services to=20 pay, No MDs to pay...You just turn on the satellite and the Phantom=20 automation and let 'er rip! Hey Possum, I hate to disagree with you, but as the owner of a station--and=20 previous owner of two others, you try talking the music mafia--oh, I=20 mean ASCAP, BMI and SESAC, into believing you're a talk station and=20 don't play any music. They will respond that your talk shows=20 use "bumper music", and one guy from ASCAP even told me that if I=20 play a McDonalds commercial on my station, I'd be responsible for=20 paying royalties on the McD's jingle--since it was a copyrighted work. Not only that, they will threaten to have someone locally record your=20 station and if they find you've played a copyrighted work in their=20 library, they will sue you for copyright infringement. You have to=20 sign a contract for each station you have, in which you agree to give=20 the licensing agency unannounced access to your company financials so=20 they can see if you're accurately reporting your income to them, so=20 they can charge you the correct fee. Oh brother... If you visit my station website, you can see my "editorial on music=20 licensing" that blasts ASCAP, BMI and SESAC. If it weren't for us=20 radio stations playing their songs, the songwriters, composers,=20 authors and musicians wouldn't be making confiscatory amounts of=20 money from their concert and record sales. But, WE have to pay THEM=20 for making them the stars they are today, and for giving their songs=20 the airplay--and in doing so--giving them the popularity that=20 commands the amount of money they have, and make. Oh, and don't ever EVER get behind in your monthly payments to the=20 music mafia... I did and had one of their collection guys say to me=20 he would "personally come down and oversee the dismantling of my=20 station" if I didn't pay the bill. I told him the FBI would be=20 interested in hearing the recording of our conversation in which he=20 threatened a broadcast facility. He never called back! In another instance, I got behind a couple of months and a lien was=20 put on my station--and cops actually came and told me they'd sieze my=20 personal car to sell and pay BMI for the small amount of money I owed=20 them.=20 If you think those guys aren't mafia in its most basic form, think=20 again! If you want me to send you a copy of my editorial on music=20 licensing off the group, email me personally and I'll send it on. Jeff=20 From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Jan 12 14:05:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90070 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2007 22:05:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2007 22:05:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.28) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2007 22:05:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 71419 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2007 22:04:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20070112220431.71417.qmail@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 48Zt7i8VM1kBbltEshXZfjUg9K9QvmKk1.R2PEH3Jh8rotjJYl5WpB_2gwyJG0.Dlv7FqSBEOPebNmMrnKCBHmMcvoqBHBH07L.Jd3Xad.ztCBo5gSKo8.x1WT7x1dnXdmL1w8Wa Received: from [74.226.200.218] by web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:04:31 PST Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:04:31 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <020701c73684$58e14610$ce6c5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: A question to the most advanced brain of the forum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=X_ErvASkcUvCltGW0hsxXq2uVl-wKkRd0_xNhOpzUQZi-3a8oG4u X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Dream system, that speaks volumes. --- Possum Hunter wrote: > jimsmith95663 wrote: > >Now is Dolby Pro logic2 a analog software? > > It is a Chip inside of many Home Theater and Stereo > systems. > > BTW, My home theater with ProLogic2 is a Sony 1000 > Watt "Dream System" with upgraded capacitors and > mods, and Kilpsch Synergy B2 speaker system. If I > were buying new, it may not be my first choice, but > I got it fried by lightning on Freecycle, so I fixed > it, upgraded it. and upgraded the speakers. For the > money I have invested, it really is a nice sounding > system. No, it does NOT sound as good as my Tube > system, but still, It is impressive when listening > to SACDs on it. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in > frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Jan 12 14:12:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61007 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2007 22:07:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2007 22:07:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.32) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2007 22:07:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 73891 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2007 22:05:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LzqdexgVM1kO5KmgA6s0ZlhbQlZ5tiPYlRArQA2EyMmq1YK6zbtafHP1r5lhBLqU9LTwHnsdbGCqDsk8hDaIflol26KMWOrxJRocDoQJu9py02UkPvGm0TGqf06_ptgmrk7I.rg- Received: from [74.226.200.218] by web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:05:47 PST Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:05:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <01eb01c73681$8d4f8b30$ce6c5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <570363.70714.qm@web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=c66YQEnkegbNYcLV1po2H1cqMgrnR1Lq7YaVBbes67jgi39LtV8W X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Because I do know about them. You obviously don't know much because sony dream systems are nothing more than cheap plastic crap with mediocre at best amps. --- Possum Hunter wrote: > clemsonbloke wrote: > > Put simply any matrixed system is not Quad, > > Why do you write so much about things you have no > idea about? > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Jan 12 14:14:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43886 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2007 22:13:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2007 22:13:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.28) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2007 22:13:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 70809 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2007 22:02:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20070112220220.70807.qmail@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: vcC4Yg0VM1koTa0LD_x3kTec8Kdl1XZrN1bijRhNavhaIiDryxRPc3yTMW5VbkglHQOtJ7b5LGYIMzWgngx2m2yFb7a_Iqi5XextTVDTc2lxNuteBsjINlENVy4yfalmg1c9Lma6Md88I9x.Puqi2N_LGHn2uzNXT8mAFVaSwbjjhOXp.Ff3RA-- Received: from [74.226.200.218] by web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:02:20 PST Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:02:20 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=IBk2zoJHGnJMQrAKk_s1m2JkEDyAv09Dmojtyo4GuzJfvBFogRHP X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I fail to see why any of you would call anything matrixed quad. Do you not even know what matrix is? In a matrix system the rear channels are mono. It is nothing more than a fancy ambience system. If you don't believe me then research it. Matrix is mono. Dolby Surround is matrix. Therefore it derives information from the two stereo channels because there are no other channels. It is a two channel system that draws out of phase information and throws it into a single mono channel consisting of two rear speakers. Those speakers are NOT in stereo. You guys need to learn something about matrix before you open your mouths because you are just wrong here. --- Michael Upton wrote: > Sorry to disagree, but matrix was a form of > quadraphonic (4 channel) reproduction, and if you > will check, most 4 channel (quad) persons, like > myself, do not laugh at the idea of matrix > quadraphonic reproduction. Was matrix absolutely > discrete? No, it was not. But with a good decoder > (Tate II or Lafayette full logic) you can get close > to discrete functionality out of a matrix record. > Matrix "stuff" did not come later, but was developed > along the same time as the only truly discrete vinyl > LP record playback system, RCA's CD4. It was truly > discrete 4 channel, but suffered from the fact that > the surround information was frequency response > limited to about 12K, due the the fact that it was > carried on the record as a high frequency (inaudble) > carrier superimposed on the stereo grooves. > You mention using the negative and positive speaker > leads to get a "quasi-quad" effect. This is called > the Haffler circuitry, and was developed to recover > some of the phase shifted surround material encoded > in stereo discs to give a feeling of "fullness" to > the stereo image, and contrary to your statement, > voila, you don't have a decoder for SQ records. > If you get absolutely technical about it, the only > truly discrete quad sources from the 70's were the > tape formats, the 8 track cartridges (hiss city) and > the reel to reel tapes. > My two (ok, maybe three) cents worth. > > MTGC (Michael) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: clemsonbloke > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 1:49 AM > Subject: Re: {AMS} Re: Music for AM stereo > > > Put simply any matrixed system is not Quad, it's > matrixed. I think more folks will chime in on this > fact. That is WHY Quad was developed, to have 4 > discrete channels. The matrixed stuff came along > later when they saw quad wasn't going to make it > as 4 > seperate channels. Not many people were willing to > re-invest in new equipment at the time just to > have 4 > discrete channels. Pro logic will only decode > portions of the SQ matrix discs, research and > you'll > find that out. You don't even need a decoder to > pull > out matrix information. You can do this with a > regular stereo receiver. Simply take two speakers > to > the rear connect the negative terminals of those > back > to speakers together then connect the positive of > the > left rear to the positive of the left front and > connect the right rear positive to the right front > positive. Oila' that is matrix period and that > will > decode those SQ discs. You can add a potentiometer > in > the mix if you wish for a level control. Quad was > a > discrete system. It was NEVER intended to be a > matrix > system. Go talk to true quad enthusiasts, they'll > laugh when you call any matrix system quad. Alive > and > Kicking may have been released on an SQ disc > however > that is not, as I said in the earlier post, quad. > You > could run the stereo disc of that recording > thruogh > that simple matrix setup I aforementioned above > and > you would get very similar results. I firmly stand > by > my comments about this. > > -Kevin > > --- Possum Hunter > wrote: > > > clemsonbloke wrote: > > > Exactly how are you decoding a quadraphonic > > recording with a pro logic > > > system? > > > > Pro-Logic2 will decode Matrix Quad. > > > > > >Even if it weren't matrixed your CD player > would > > need 4 outputs instead of > > >2 to achieve discrete quad. > > > > I didn't say it would decode discrete quad. It > > decodes Matrix Quad > > > > > >Quad contains 4 discretely recorded channels, > not > > matrixed as is Pro Logic. > > > > Do your homework. There were several Matrix Quad > > systems. > > > > > >I've also researched the net and i've yet to > find a > > quadraphonic recording > > >of any of Alive and Kickings material. > > > > The Album "Alive 'N Kickin'" was indeed released > in > > QS Quadraphonic. > > > > > > I think you are incorrect here. Do not confuse > > discrete with matrix, > > > theres a big difference. > > > > You are the only one here who is confused. > > > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM > radio. > > From a mathematical > > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel > sites to find flight and hotel bargains. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From mtgc@hotmail.com Fri Jan 12 14:47:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56273 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2007 22:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2007 22:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s4.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.140) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2007 22:47:59 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.10.153]) by bay0-omc2-s4.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:47:16 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:47:16 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.215.65.146 by BAY122-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 12 Jan 2007 22:47:12 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: References: <20070112220220.70807.qmail@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:47:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2007 22:47:16.0069 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B89F950:01C7369B] Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Michael Upton" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=LEx8_rnHfMXqTO4kNKxdMaxVzUdlRXNdn253m94UOcux8ao3aUmH X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sir, Not to stress the obvious, but it is you that obviously does not know what matrix quad is. The rear channels in SQ, QS and EV-4 all carry independant information, ie NOT mono. It is not a fancy ambiance system. I have researched it, in great depth, and I say that you are mistaken in your statements. MTGC (Michael) ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:02 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo I fail to see why any of you would call anything matrixed quad. Do you not even know what matrix is? In a matrix system the rear channels are mono. It is nothing more than a fancy ambience system. If you don't believe me then research it. Matrix is mono. Dolby Surround is matrix. Therefore it derives information from the two stereo channels because there are no other channels. It is a two channel system that draws out of phase information and throws it into a single mono channel consisting of two rear speakers. Those speakers are NOT in stereo. You guys need to learn something about matrix before you open your mouths because you are just wrong here. --- Michael Upton wrote: > Sorry to disagree, but matrix was a form of > quadraphonic (4 channel) reproduction, and if you > will check, most 4 channel (quad) persons, like > myself, do not laugh at the idea of matrix > quadraphonic reproduction. Was matrix absolutely > discrete? No, it was not. But with a good decoder > (Tate II or Lafayette full logic) you can get close > to discrete functionality out of a matrix record. > Matrix "stuff" did not come later, but was developed > along the same time as the only truly discrete vinyl > LP record playback system, RCA's CD4. It was truly > discrete 4 channel, but suffered from the fact that > the surround information was frequency response > limited to about 12K, due the the fact that it was > carried on the record as a high frequency (inaudble) > carrier superimposed on the stereo grooves. > You mention using the negative and positive speaker > leads to get a "quasi-quad" effect. This is called > the Haffler circuitry, and was developed to recover > some of the phase shifted surround material encoded > in stereo discs to give a feeling of "fullness" to > the stereo image, and contrary to your statement, > voila, you don't have a decoder for SQ records. > If you get absolutely technical about it, the only > truly discrete quad sources from the 70's were the > tape formats, the 8 track cartridges (hiss city) and > the reel to reel tapes. > My two (ok, maybe three) cents worth. > > MTGC (Michael) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: clemsonbloke > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 1:49 AM > Subject: Re: {AMS} Re: Music for AM stereo > > > Put simply any matrixed system is not Quad, it's > matrixed. I think more folks will chime in on this > fact. That is WHY Quad was developed, to have 4 > discrete channels. The matrixed stuff came along > later when they saw quad wasn't going to make it > as 4 > seperate channels. Not many people were willing to > re-invest in new equipment at the time just to > have 4 > discrete channels. Pro logic will only decode > portions of the SQ matrix discs, research and > you'll > find that out. You don't even need a decoder to > pull > out matrix information. You can do this with a > regular stereo receiver. Simply take two speakers > to > the rear connect the negative terminals of those > back > to speakers together then connect the positive of > the > left rear to the positive of the left front and > connect the right rear positive to the right front > positive. Oila' that is matrix period and that > will > decode those SQ discs. You can add a potentiometer > in > the mix if you wish for a level control. Quad was > a > discrete system. It was NEVER intended to be a > matrix > system. Go talk to true quad enthusiasts, they'll > laugh when you call any matrix system quad. Alive > and > Kicking may have been released on an SQ disc > however > that is not, as I said in the earlier post, quad. > You > could run the stereo disc of that recording > thruogh > that simple matrix setup I aforementioned above > and > you would get very similar results. I firmly stand > by > my comments about this. > > -Kevin > > --- Possum Hunter > wrote: > > > clemsonbloke wrote: > > > Exactly how are you decoding a quadraphonic > > recording with a pro logic > > > system? > > > > Pro-Logic2 will decode Matrix Quad. > > > > > >Even if it weren't matrixed your CD player > would > > need 4 outputs instead of > > >2 to achieve discrete quad. > > > > I didn't say it would decode discrete quad. It > > decodes Matrix Quad > > > > > >Quad contains 4 discretely recorded channels, > not > > matrixed as is Pro Logic. > > > > Do your homework. There were several Matrix Quad > > systems. > > > > > >I've also researched the net and i've yet to > find a > > quadraphonic recording > > >of any of Alive and Kickings material. > > > > The Album "Alive 'N Kickin'" was indeed released > in > > QS Quadraphonic. > > > > > > I think you are incorrect here. Do not confuse > > discrete with matrix, > > > theres a big difference. > > > > You are the only one here who is confused. > > > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM > radio. > > From a mathematical > > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel > sites to find flight and hotel bargains. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Jan 12 14:56:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4036 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2007 22:55:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2007 22:55:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao09.cox.net) (68.230.241.30) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2007 22:55:29 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20070112225328.DTXO18767.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2007 17:53:28 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id ANsb1W00F2DrW980000000; Fri, 12 Jan 2007 17:52:36 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: <20070112220220.70807.qmail@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:53:26 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=1lnxhE5Eqp5J9HRzdM3Ie6xeNpB_BHg19nrzB_b4SmH0UiJJEYrQwbQZAq88 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds like a repeat of the "meaning of HD" thread ... On Jan 12, 2007, at 2:47 PM, Michael Upton wrote: > Sir, > > Not to stress the obvious, but it is you that obviously does not > know what matrix quad is. The rear channels in SQ, QS and EV-4 all > carry independant information, ie NOT mono. It is not a fancy > ambiance system. I have researched it, in great depth, and I say > that you are mistaken in your statements. > > MTGC (Michael) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: clemsonbloke > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo > > I fail to see why any of you would call anything > matrixed quad. Do you not even know what matrix is? > In a matrix system the rear channels are mono. It is > nothing more than a fancy ambience system. If you > don't believe me then research it. Matrix is mono. > Dolby Surround is matrix. Therefore it derives > information from the two stereo channels because there > are no other channels. It is a two channel system > that draws out of phase information and throws it into > a single mono channel consisting of two rear speakers. > Those speakers are NOT in stereo. You guys need to > learn something about matrix before you open your > mouths because you are just wrong here. > > --- Michael Upton wrote: > > > Sorry to disagree, but matrix was a form of > > quadraphonic (4 channel) reproduction, and if you > > will check, most 4 channel (quad) persons, like > > myself, do not laugh at the idea of matrix > > quadraphonic reproduction. Was matrix absolutely > > discrete? No, it was not. But with a good decoder > > (Tate II or Lafayette full logic) you can get close > > to discrete functionality out of a matrix record. > > Matrix "stuff" did not come later, but was developed > > along the same time as the only truly discrete vinyl > > LP record playback system, RCA's CD4. It was truly > > discrete 4 channel, but suffered from the fact that > > the surround information was frequency response > > limited to about 12K, due the the fact that it was > > carried on the record as a high frequency (inaudble) > > carrier superimposed on the stereo grooves. > > You mention using the negative and positive speaker > > leads to get a "quasi-quad" effect. This is called > > the Haffler circuitry, and was developed to recover > > some of the phase shifted surround material encoded > > in stereo discs to give a feeling of "fullness" to > > the stereo image, and contrary to your statement, > > voila, you don't have a decoder for SQ records. > > If you get absolutely technical about it, the only > > truly discrete quad sources from the 70's were the > > tape formats, the 8 track cartridges (hiss city) and > > the reel to reel tapes. > > My two (ok, maybe three) cents worth. > > > > MTGC (Michael) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: clemsonbloke > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 1:49 AM > > Subject: Re: {AMS} Re: Music for AM stereo > > > > > > Put simply any matrixed system is not Quad, it's > > matrixed. I think more folks will chime in on this > > fact. That is WHY Quad was developed, to have 4 > > discrete channels. The matrixed stuff came along > > later when they saw quad wasn't going to make it > > as 4 > > seperate channels. Not many people were willing to > > re-invest in new equipment at the time just to > > have 4 > > discrete channels. Pro logic will only decode > > portions of the SQ matrix discs, research and > > you'll > > find that out. You don't even need a decoder to > > pull > > out matrix information. You can do this with a > > regular stereo receiver. Simply take two speakers > > to > > the rear connect the negative terminals of those > > back > > to speakers together then connect the positive of > > the > > left rear to the positive of the left front and > > connect the right rear positive to the right front > > positive. Oila' that is matrix period and that > > will > > decode those SQ discs. You can add a potentiometer > > in > > the mix if you wish for a level control. Quad was > > a > > discrete system. It was NEVER intended to be a > > matrix > > system. Go talk to true quad enthusiasts, they'll > > laugh when you call any matrix system quad. Alive > > and > > Kicking may have been released on an SQ disc > > however > > that is not, as I said in the earlier post, quad. > > You > > could run the stereo disc of that recording > > thruogh > > that simple matrix setup I aforementioned above > > and > > you would get very similar results. I firmly stand > > by > > my comments about this. > > > > -Kevin > > > > --- Possum Hunter > > wrote: > > > > > clemsonbloke wrote: > > > > Exactly how are you decoding a quadraphonic > > > recording with a pro logic > > > > system? > > > > > > Pro-Logic2 will decode Matrix Quad. > > > > > > > >Even if it weren't matrixed your CD player > > would > > > need 4 outputs instead of > > > >2 to achieve discrete quad. > > > > > > I didn't say it would decode discrete quad. It > > > decodes Matrix Quad > > > > > > > >Quad contains 4 discretely recorded channels, > > not > > > matrixed as is Pro Logic. > > > > > > Do your homework. There were several Matrix Quad > > > systems. > > > > > > > >I've also researched the net and i've yet to > > find a > > > quadraphonic recording > > > >of any of Alive and Kickings material. > > > > > > The Album "Alive 'N Kickin'" was indeed released > > in > > > QS Quadraphonic. > > > > > > > > I think you are incorrect here. Do not confuse > > > discrete with matrix, > > > > theres a big difference. > > > > > > You are the only one here who is confused. > > > > > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM > > radio. > > > From a mathematical > > > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > > > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > > Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel > > sites to find flight and hotel bargains. > > http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Fri Jan 12 14:57:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69417 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2007 22:57:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2007 22:57:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s12.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.84) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2007 22:57:38 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.162.85]) by bay0-omc1-s12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:56:34 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:56:34 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.2.34.109 by BAY108-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 12 Jan 2007 22:56:29 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Cc: , "WTMURADIO" , "DAVNOVI" , "Dj4you" , "Joe Berger" , "Mick Rapeer" , Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 17:57:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2007 22:56:34.0441 (UTC) FILETIME=[E85AC790:01C7369C] Return-Path: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.84 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: WOR towers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=IVs2D1sgT3JzuVMmJuC4BXlOxdZjSwq-Ih7r2U2EeSb4 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vOdyQoCyqo Thank You ---------------------------------------------- Rev Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Jan 12 17:28:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95161 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 01:27:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 01:27:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 01:27:56 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.235.241.249.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.235.241.249] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H5XgA-00016V-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 12 Jan 2007 20:27:31 -0500 Message-ID: <03a301c736b1$fe2e0a90$ce6c5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <20070112220220.70807.qmail@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 20:27:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=GSoqkQ2qsNKlEP2E441f6IWEzn2hgf7i9EwYB7POghsvKesIGkygTBGLc-usxQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit clemsonbloke wrote: >Do you not even know what matrix is? Do you not know what "Quadraphonic" is? I was listening to Quad when you were making poopie in your diaper. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Jan 12 18:13:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16750 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 02:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 02:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.29) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 02:11:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 12516 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2007 02:11:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4MMwk9UVM1m2W1TtYZuqIE0gOjnEFD2IPneCJHXKJ4b7SzOGjivMvEopzvEAeqBe4C9NbAzFAWaIZOfJQzO7bpuLr9prwEVF4Q3Y.lq4Km9d98Uxv715AGLAkZ76fuwCPir0dtt60m8mZJC3lh9wr1uuicILSR1d7o.8UUKsoOtEfXo.4Mwn8A-- Received: from [74.226.200.218] by web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Jan 2007 18:11:47 PST Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 18:11:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <146809.9113.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=qwmt7H0R8-F84psPIuUyIxChS2g5vQ2OBtMsZTyne9olGNzO-DyS X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Ok then why matrix and discrete. How is matrix the same as discrete because that is essentially what you are saying. You are saying that matrix is quad. How is that quad? Sounds to me like its crap relegated to the front two channels. In order to be quad youd need 4 channels. Matrix is NOT 4 channels. What do you think QUAD means? I think you old farts lost some brain cells in your pot smoking hippy days! --- Michael Upton wrote: > Sir, > > Not to stress the obvious, but it is you that > obviously does not know what matrix quad is. The > rear channels in SQ, QS and EV-4 all carry > independant information, ie NOT mono. It is not a > fancy ambiance system. I have researched it, in > great depth, and I say that you are mistaken in your > statements. > > MTGC (Michael) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: clemsonbloke > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo > > > I fail to see why any of you would call anything > matrixed quad. Do you not even know what matrix > is? > In a matrix system the rear channels are mono. It > is > nothing more than a fancy ambience system. If you > don't believe me then research it. Matrix is mono. > > Dolby Surround is matrix. Therefore it derives > information from the two stereo channels because > there > are no other channels. It is a two channel system > that draws out of phase information and throws it > into > a single mono channel consisting of two rear > speakers. > Those speakers are NOT in stereo. You guys need to > learn something about matrix before you open your > mouths because you are just wrong here. > > --- Michael Upton wrote: > > > Sorry to disagree, but matrix was a form of > > quadraphonic (4 channel) reproduction, and if > you > > will check, most 4 channel (quad) persons, like > > myself, do not laugh at the idea of matrix > > quadraphonic reproduction. Was matrix absolutely > > discrete? No, it was not. But with a good > decoder > > (Tate II or Lafayette full logic) you can get > close > > to discrete functionality out of a matrix > record. > > Matrix "stuff" did not come later, but was > developed > > along the same time as the only truly discrete > vinyl > > LP record playback system, RCA's CD4. It was > truly > > discrete 4 channel, but suffered from the fact > that > > the surround information was frequency response > > limited to about 12K, due the the fact that it > was > > carried on the record as a high frequency > (inaudble) > > carrier superimposed on the stereo grooves. > > You mention using the negative and positive > speaker > > leads to get a "quasi-quad" effect. This is > called > > the Haffler circuitry, and was developed to > recover > > some of the phase shifted surround material > encoded > > in stereo discs to give a feeling of "fullness" > to > > the stereo image, and contrary to your > statement, > > voila, you don't have a decoder for SQ records. > > If you get absolutely technical about it, the > only > > truly discrete quad sources from the 70's were > the > > tape formats, the 8 track cartridges (hiss city) > and > > the reel to reel tapes. > > My two (ok, maybe three) cents worth. > > > > MTGC (Michael) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: clemsonbloke > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 1:49 AM > > Subject: Re: {AMS} Re: Music for AM stereo > > > > > > Put simply any matrixed system is not Quad, it's > > matrixed. I think more folks will chime in on > this > > fact. That is WHY Quad was developed, to have 4 > > discrete channels. The matrixed stuff came along > > later when they saw quad wasn't going to make it > > as 4 > > seperate channels. Not many people were willing > to > > re-invest in new equipment at the time just to > > have 4 > > discrete channels. Pro logic will only decode > > portions of the SQ matrix discs, research and > > you'll > > find that out. You don't even need a decoder to > > pull > > out matrix information. You can do this with a > > regular stereo receiver. Simply take two > speakers > > to > > the rear connect the negative terminals of those > > back > > to speakers together then connect the positive > of > > the > > left rear to the positive of the left front and > > connect the right rear positive to the right > front > > positive. Oila' that is matrix period and that > > will > > decode those SQ discs. You can add a > potentiometer > > in > > the mix if you wish for a level control. Quad > was > > a > > discrete system. It was NEVER intended to be a > > matrix > > system. Go talk to true quad enthusiasts, > they'll > > laugh when you call any matrix system quad. > Alive > > and > > Kicking may have been released on an SQ disc > > however > > that is not, as I said in the earlier post, > quad. > > You > > could run the stereo disc of that recording > > thruogh > > that simple matrix setup I aforementioned above > > and > > you would get very similar results. I firmly > stand > > by > > my comments about this. > > > > -Kevin > > > > --- Possum Hunter > > wrote: > > > > > clemsonbloke wrote: > > > > Exactly how are you decoding a quadraphonic > > > recording with a pro logic > > > > system? > > > > > > Pro-Logic2 will decode Matrix Quad. > > > > > > > >Even if it weren't matrixed your CD player > > would > > > need 4 outputs instead of > > > >2 to achieve discrete quad. > > > > > > I didn't say it would decode discrete quad. It > > > decodes Matrix Quad > > > > > > > >Quad contains 4 discretely recorded channels, > > not > > > matrixed as is Pro Logic. > > > > > > Do your homework. There were several Matrix > Quad > > > systems. > > > > > > > >I've also researched the net and i've yet to > > find a > > > quadraphonic recording > > > >of any of Alive and Kickings material. > > > > > > The Album "Alive 'N Kickin'" was indeed > released > > in > > > QS Quadraphonic. > > > > > > > > I think you are incorrect here. Do not > confuse > > > discrete with matrix, > > > > theres a big difference. > > > > > > You are the only one here who is confused. > > > > > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Jan 12 18:15:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41280 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 02:13:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 02:13:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.30) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 02:13:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 61798 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2007 02:13:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: o81zfMwVM1ms2uudFyu6TWo3mtYW6761carIu7S1KyxtIA6BME__d68Ra9t5CNiIgFHmsVNNPIU.rEXFSzAHtvWqCLgqXMUe0QLW1uMvIrHnnDGw0E6rRZhIHZgTxjEIt2RC8jok Received: from [74.226.200.218] by web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Jan 2007 18:13:47 PST Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 18:13:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <03a301c736b1$fe2e0a90$ce6c5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <46163.59694.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=jsABc2FBMMt9MzMar4moXFQHgfP7YYX_fd9stgIcv4YQQQ5Ahuc0 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke It is ironic that someone who claims to know something about stereo equipment would buy a sony dream system. Theres nothing "dream" about it. It's an integrated POS! I'll put my discrete components up against your cheap junk anyday. --- Possum Hunter wrote: > clemsonbloke wrote: > >Do you not even know what matrix is? > > Do you not know what "Quadraphonic" is? I was > listening to Quad when you were making poopie in > your diaper. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in > frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Jan 12 18:54:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99792 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 02:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 02:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 02:54:01 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.235.241.249.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.235.241.249] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H5Z1T-000011-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 12 Jan 2007 21:53:36 -0500 Message-ID: <03e301c736be$04c39080$ce6c5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <570363.70714.qm@web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 21:53:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=jpUbx0Ytz9-VRY0NQarf-KKByRocV8a2U_b74oN1hoJ6cht4tF30apG_9uvfHg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit clemsonbloke wrote: >You obviously don't know much because sony dream systems are nothing more than cheap plastic crap with mediocre at best amps. Again your lack of electronic knowledge shines in yet another one of your posts. The plastic content of the Dream System is no more than any other mass market audio gear, in fact it has LESS plastic then most equipment in the $600 price range. Like I posted, it wouldn't be my first choice in audio gear, but since it was FREE and I fixed it for FREE with parts I had laying around, and I upgraded some of the components in it for FREE with other parts I had laying around, it is a decent piece of equipment that I didn't pay a dime for because it was FREE! The OEM speakers were crap, but the Klipsch Synergy B2 speaker system really did bring the thing to life. No, it is nothing compared to my "real" Stereo system, but for FREE it sounds pretty damn good. The Kilpsch speakers was the only thing I had to buy for the system...and Kilpsch is the ONLY brand of home speakers I will buy new. Now if you want to compare "Real" stereo gear, I have the following: Revox PR99 Reel tape machine Revox AR77 Reel tape machine Magnum Dynalab FT-101A FM tuner RCA 16C AM Tuner Sangean HDT-1 HD-Radio tuner Carver SDA 390t Tube CD player Carver PST-12 cassette deck RCA 16" Turntable Dynaco PAT-4 Preamp Dynaco PAT-5 Preamp with FET Upgrade boards Gates Stereo Yard console Dynaco Dynakit 35 as a cue amp 2 Dynaco Stereo 70 amps bridged Mono 4 Carver Silver Seven Mono Block Amps Pair of Dynaco A-25 Speakers Pair of Realistic Mach 1 Speakers 2 Pairs of Klipsh Klipschorn Speakers built LONG before the 2005 Changes I am sure somebody on this list has a better system, but my Stereo will blow away anything else in the trailer park! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Jan 12 19:03:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82005 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 03:03:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 03:03:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 03:03:21 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.235.241.249.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.235.241.249] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H5Z7D-0000OO-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 12 Jan 2007 21:59:32 -0500 Message-ID: <03f401c736be$d8f835e0$ce6c5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <46163.59694.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 21:59:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=bIpATEfb0Bahz7G64LpLcQysIBVnMF7D-PCke9M3UTQF3-6hWUdnU-XBO1el7Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 clemsonbloke wrote: > It is ironic that someone who claims to know something about stereo > equipment would buy a sony dream system. I thought I made it clear that I did NOT buy it. I got it for FREE on Frecycle. I rebuilt it, mostly out of boredome, and made it into a decent sounding system for my bedroom. Do you think you know more about Stereo equipment? How many Stereos have you built from a kit? How about from Scratch? Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Jan 12 19:13:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3983 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 03:13:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m37a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 03:13:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.128) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 03:13:42 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2007 03:13:36 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2007 03:13:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2007 03:13:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 03:13:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <46163.59694.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.59 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo/Quadraphonic/Music royalties and other AM herbs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=aJr-MViLQjLle-GGta5B-lNgC0VmazypiZL0g87g9mj-w-Bqww X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI GANG!!! I don't know why but, when we want to talk about some topics, it=20 always ends in a "quasi" war. I don't want a war. I just want to=20 join opinions and, if it's possible, physical decisions. In this line: 1) There was/is two ways to get more than two channels with a=20 reduced bandwidth media (like records, radio waves, tapes, etc.):=20 Matrix and Discrete. The matrixed systems are 100% stereo/mono=20 compatible and don't have the full channels separation we wished=20 originally but... it works!!! (at least, you can get 3 dbs of real=20 separation from front to rear, and remember 3 dbs is the human=20 hearing system threshold to "understand" some separation). The=20 discrete systems are the best but they aren't stereo/mono compatible=20 and it's impossible to put it into a "normal" radio wave system (of=20 course, there was/is the ways to put them in tapes, records and=20 CDs). Maybe the FM could transport it with the SCA system but I'm=20 not sure if the SCA quality would be enough to do it. Maybe the=20 matrixed systems separation, with some digital help, could be=20 improved, I'm not sure. But I'm sure the old SQ Quadraphonic=20 matrixed system can be put on the air with C-QUAM or KAHN AM Stereo. 2) If the main reason because the USA AM Radio Station owners don't=20 want to broadcast music was/is to avoid the music royalties, I=20 AGREE, ABSOLUTELY!!! I've never agreed with the authors rights=20 because, tell me WHAT CAN A MUSICIAN DO WITHOUT PUBLICITY? and WHICH=20 IS THE BEST MUSIC PUBLICITY? =3D THE RADIO!!! So, I think it's=20 absolutely ridiculous radios must to pay to the musician. My=20 position was/is and always will be: THE RADIOS DON'T HAVE TO PAY TO=20 THE MUSICIANS AND THE MUSICIANS DON'T HAVE TO PAY TO THE RADIOS!!!=20 WE ARE PARTNERS OF THE SAME INDUSTRY!!!! (I'm talking about the=20 music fees and royalties). Of course, if the main music market of=20 the world (USA) doesn't have been able to get an agreement about=20 it... it would be so hard to think some agreement here, in a very=20 small music market like Chile, but... I'm still dreaming with it. Do=20 you want to help me? Think about if nobody do something about, THE=20 RADIO and MUSIC INDUSTRY WILL DIE IN A FEW YEARS. Music industry=20 can't live without the radio industry because one is=20 a "continuation" of the other, so simple. Does somebody know about=20 some serious movement from the radio owners about it? 3) At last, does somebody know some today multichannel audio=20 amplifier (or home theatre) with ANALOG multichannel inputs? It's=20 intended to amplify my very good 5.1 PC sound card with the standard=20 RCA analog audio cables. All the home theatres I know have some=20 digital multichannel inputs but all the analog inputs are only to=20 standard stereo pairs devices (CDs, Tapes, Videos, etc.) Any idea? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Jan 12 19:16:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98252 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 03:13:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 03:13:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 03:13:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 92818 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2007 03:12:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3LIXqzoVM1mEfpBQB2RMUhXoUaeoVxT0b1JJLa8qoS44cR0CX4w5MGPy.eXGlPU2r5IXcOzbzz09Pj7kdnqPjurxpq4jKXi0xNbLlyzbmbN5iRq6FT4y_lodxMAjR2LWS9T6OA8S Received: from [74.226.200.218] by web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Jan 2007 19:12:55 PST Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 19:12:55 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <03f401c736be$d8f835e0$ce6c5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <857310.88154.qm@web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=qB6v4P5ehJuOqu2RYB4YLFH8m9JOORRvF77inl7dk8u3egSmayJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I stand by everything I said. Plain and simple, period. --- Possum Hunter wrote: > clemsonbloke wrote: > > It is ironic that someone who claims to know > something about stereo > > equipment would buy a sony dream system. > > I thought I made it clear that I did NOT buy it. I > got it for FREE on > Frecycle. I rebuilt it, mostly out of boredome, and > made it into a decent > sounding system for my bedroom. > > Do you think you know more about Stereo equipment? > How many Stereos have you > built from a kit? How about from Scratch? > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jan 12 19:32:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24503 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 03:32:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 03:32:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52205.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.128) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 03:32:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 66985 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2007 03:30:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: AXHA_YwVM1kxo_0a6rJ_DOciFJTyZL9G_qKUjfeKlOQ.rNccaA22siv54x78ocb5aLFcFJHIX7QHospLLZC4_vCczjyk0FghFkejjW9lFuhWBfXayYXc49xCg3OtKzTO3RnkJP8s..Xybg-- Received: from [12.76.217.231] by web52205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Jan 2007 19:30:56 PST Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 19:30:56 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <857310.88154.qm@web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <885117.65608.qm@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Stereo posturing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=nYPG0dtGdezEJ5Uw1Z0zqR8BzatSZQyvYrVEJVTAi3E X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- clemsonbloke wrote: > I stand by everything I said. Plain and simple, > period. Mr. Possum knows what he's talking about. You don't. He's a professional in the radio and audio field. And you. Be careful, as you are really making yourself seem rather small and petty here. He told you it was FREE. He told you he upgraded it with better quality parts. He told you it was for the bedroom, and listed his REAL stereo stuff. And now YOU tell us what YOU have. Inquiring wolves want to know.... Powell From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jan 12 19:58:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23141 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 03:58:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 03:58:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.23) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 03:58:59 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2007 03:58:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2007 03:57:59 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 03:57:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <885117.65608.qm@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.15.89 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Stereo posturing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=QS1IKkHRdNFT0yKg-5tEc0ESJt2hS-d7QN1puowYUntYcpWv X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie It's things like this that make me clam up around here. :P Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Just FWIW: L+R L-R 1(L+R) L(L-R) R(L-R) L-(L-R) R-(L-R) Choose your matrix. :) (C-QUAM is encoded Envelope/Quadrature with cosine correction- The=20 basic matrix is 1(L+R)/(L-R)... Now, please, back to AMS!) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jan 12 20:06:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88903 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 04:05:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 04:05:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52202.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.125) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 04:05:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 5282 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2007 04:05:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: n4Hnmr8VM1moiecf.qdJJvpMmxJDUDVR8O9bq1htXdyhAoiiS_qGR63ZczyriM40P0KC2Tyf4pFMDzCPd0YWcVqmEGcHdKj2MYc7iYuPOZkNF_pe0QUUA17aQH2C.p2PNI1sXZVDzeAzucE- Received: from [12.76.217.231] by web52202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Jan 2007 20:05:00 PST Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 20:05:00 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <602659.4791.qm@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.125 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo posturing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=8VJKksX-2hlVCb29c1SbRIxGk3xn5TvsPbBE0BcEmnk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > It's things like this that make me clam up around > here. :P Or be as quiet as a church mouse? Powell From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jan 12 22:03:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15707 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 06:03:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 06:03:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.115) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 06:03:41 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2007 06:03:30 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2007 06:03:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2007 06:03:30 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 06:03:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <602659.4791.qm@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.115 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.15.89 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo posturing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=8roOgkqm_mA_wg7VQz5FMxtz1uWNrXHg_VLYReK0pyz_tJOp X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > --- Amy Mousie wrote: >=20 > > It's things like this that make me clam up around > > here. :P >=20 > Or be as quiet as a church mouse? :) I'm a devout Deist, but close enough... :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Freezing inn the redwoods, and noticing just how many Kevins there are=20 in the AM stereo community...) From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jan 13 06:04:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6467 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 14:04:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 14:04:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 14:04:05 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.105.50.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.105.50] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H5jUF-0001kA-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 09:04:00 -0500 Message-ID: <009801c7371b$abb94940$32695b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <857310.88154.qm@web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 09:03:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=FyJ0YsMEs8Ra2D3s_QtfFhUFbTgwbywEIuFh0928YezV3WQzAH1b1dF3-2DdCg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 clemsonbloke wrote: >I stand by everything I said. Plain and simple, period. I honestly don't know why I haven't killfiled you a long time ago. I thought maybe you would like to learn about Electronics, older Stereo systems, methods of broadcasting Stereo and Quadraphonic. Nope! you are just an internet troll. Just please stop writing about things that you do not know about. You may confuse somebody who really does want to learn about these things..or even build or buy em to play with. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jan 13 06:04:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92821 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 14:04:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 14:04:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 14:04:21 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.105.50.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.105.50] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H5jNF-0001L8-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 08:56:46 -0500 Message-ID: <009101c7371a$a8fa45c0$32695b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <885117.65608.qm@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 08:56:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo posturing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=eqJVco5Poqajlm3UX1SnjOwl2Hx5MtlO8G8ifgqQQmv0zWCPW8RlVDOXcfBvwA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > And now YOU tell us what YOU have. While really I didn't care what kind of system Mr. Bell has, I am now rather curious what sort of "Reference System" he owns. Is it all silicone or does he have some glass in there? "Real Stereos" glow in the dark! For the record, the Dynaco stuff I have was all built from kits. The other stuff was from radio stations, Estate sales, Pawn Shops, unclaimed repairs, and what have you. The ONLY new-in-box components I bought was the HD-Radio and Realistic Mach1 Speakers. My interconnects and speaker wires are all Esoteric Audio. I do have other stuff laying around, and Dad has a bunch of my stuff, so he can have a good Stereo. I have a bad habit of getting on Freecycle and getting fried electronics, fixing them, then use 'em if I like them, freecycle them back off, or use them for trading fodder. I also get junk from radio stations and do the same with that stuff. It is a hobby that keeps me off of the streets at night anyway :-) It is getting pretty hard to find kits to build now, but I must say I enjoy the Ten-Tec kits I have put together. I also like to bread-board stuff from scratch. I need to make me a low noise VHF amp so I can get a wee bit more signal to get my HD-radio to decode more stations. The FM on it is not as hot as my FT-101a. It is more like my Dynaco FM-3 kit that Dad is listening to. By The way, does anybody know who can do a correct re-cone or just replace the foam surround on my Pioneer HPM-60 speakers. I did like the sound of these speakers and want to bring them back to life. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jan 13 06:47:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36449 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 14:47:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m38a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 14:47:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 14:47:30 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.105.50.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.105.50] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H5k9U-0004N5-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 09:46:37 -0500 Message-ID: <00ba01c73721$9ff01bb0$32695b04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 09:46:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: No licensing fees? Don't count on it. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=h5jfbxQDrDc9V6yiXYxvRnnKZ_PZlFQw2OyC8gnRdolBD2bMgBy4Ce7kcSyxDQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Jeff Raynor wrote: >you try talking the music mafia--oh, I mean ASCAP, BMI and SESAC, into >believing you're a talk station and don't play any music. They will respond >that your talk shows use "bumper music", and one guy from ASCAP even told >me that if I play a McDonalds commercial on my station, I'd be responsible >for paying royalties on the McD's jingle--since it was a copyrighted work. I am afraid that the Music Mafia told you wrong, unless the laws have changed in the past 3 or 4 years. Bumper Music is incidental and license fees do NOT have to be paid. The McD commercial music custom recorded and licensed by and for McDonalds. No other royalties need be paid on the spot. The same goes for your production library. You can also play all Public Domain music without license. > > Not only that, they will threaten to have someone locally record your > station and if they find you've played a copyrighted work in their > library, they will sue you for copyright infringement. I used to work for a station, WCKI, that went to war with the Music Nazis. It was the ONLY time I ever heard the preacher that owned the station cuss. They even tried to shut the station down, but the old preacher WON! All we played for a while was Public Domain music and preachers. LOL > > If you visit my station website, you can see my "editorial on music > licensing" that blasts ASCAP, BMI and SESAC. I saw it, and I agree with it. > > Oh, and don't ever EVER get behind in your monthly payments to the music > mafia... I did and had one of their collection guys say to me he would > "personally come down and oversee the dismantling of my station" if I > didn't pay the bill. He can't do that without an FCC order. Your station operates in the Public Interest and is vital for your City Of License to stay on the air for the Public Good. > >I got behind a couple of months and a lien was put on my station--and cops >actually came and told me they'd sieze my personal car to sell and pay BMI >for the small amount of money I owed them. Again they can't do that. They can only put a lien on Station property If you need to, email me off-list for more ways to protect your station from these vermin. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From mtgc@hotmail.com Sat Jan 13 08:12:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20281 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 16:10:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 16:10:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s31.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.103) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 16:10:41 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.10.139]) by bay0-omc1-s31.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 08:10:18 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 08:10:18 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.215.65.146 by BAY122-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:10:13 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: References: <857310.88154.qm@web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <009801c7371b$abb94940$32695b04@PossumHunter> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:10:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2007 16:10:18.0158 (UTC) FILETIME=[515EECE0:01C7372D] Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Michael Upton" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=HZv6DIN8NCmMMr7fXuMxsHq4OATd6UTgc2GwL43tOyj6Bf5JgzKY X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whoa there podnuh!!! I always thought this was an area where the members could express what they wanted to express, as long as it related at least marginally to AM Stereo. I have argued against what clemsonbloke has said in this forum, but I stand by his right to say it. MTGC (Michael) ----- Original Message ----- From: Possum Hunter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:03 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo clemsonbloke wrote: >I stand by everything I said. Plain and simple, period. I honestly don't know why I haven't killfiled you a long time ago. I thought maybe you would like to learn about Electronics, older Stereo systems, methods of broadcasting Stereo and Quadraphonic. Nope! you are just an internet troll. Just please stop writing about things that you do not know about. You may confuse somebody who really does want to learn about these things..or even build or buy em to play with. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Sat Jan 13 08:13:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72114 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 16:12:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m38a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 16:12:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s29.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.229) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 16:12:21 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.10.145]) by bay0-omc3-s29.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 08:11:37 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 08:11:37 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.215.65.146 by BAY122-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:11:33 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: References: <885117.65608.qm@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> <009101c7371a$a8fa45c0$32695b04@PossumHunter> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:11:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2007 16:11:37.0252 (UTC) FILETIME=[8083B640:01C7372D] Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Michael Upton" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo posturing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=aeq9hJX8TbWI_SwC5brW9JemN4RwlKDYkzYvdT4coZA94CIUrPaS X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have used Universal Speaker in Birmingham Alabama. I will get you their address and phone number. MTGC (Michael) ----- Original Message ----- From: Possum Hunter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 7:56 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo posturing Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > And now YOU tell us what YOU have. While really I didn't care what kind of system Mr. Bell has, I am now rather curious what sort of "Reference System" he owns. Is it all silicone or does he have some glass in there? "Real Stereos" glow in the dark! For the record, the Dynaco stuff I have was all built from kits. The other stuff was from radio stations, Estate sales, Pawn Shops, unclaimed repairs, and what have you. The ONLY new-in-box components I bought was the HD-Radio and Realistic Mach1 Speakers. My interconnects and speaker wires are all Esoteric Audio. I do have other stuff laying around, and Dad has a bunch of my stuff, so he can have a good Stereo. I have a bad habit of getting on Freecycle and getting fried electronics, fixing them, then use 'em if I like them, freecycle them back off, or use them for trading fodder. I also get junk from radio stations and do the same with that stuff. It is a hobby that keeps me off of the streets at night anyway :-) It is getting pretty hard to find kits to build now, but I must say I enjoy the Ten-Tec kits I have put together. I also like to bread-board stuff from scratch. I need to make me a low noise VHF amp so I can get a wee bit more signal to get my HD-radio to decode more stations. The FM on it is not as hot as my FT-101a. It is more like my Dynaco FM-3 kit that Dad is listening to. By The way, does anybody know who can do a correct re-cone or just replace the foam surround on my Pioneer HPM-60 speakers. I did like the sound of these speakers and want to bring them back to life. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Sat Jan 13 08:19:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9877 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 16:15:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 16:15:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s16.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.216) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 16:15:04 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.10.144]) by bay0-omc3-s16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 08:14:53 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 08:14:52 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.215.65.146 by BAY122-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:14:51 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: References: <146809.9113.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:14:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2007 16:14:52.0971 (UTC) FILETIME=[F52C0FB0:01C7372D] Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Michael Upton" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=XYyRqFbyZirHCEBTV-JQJf-GbBYCv82-xu6XHmvJN1My4Fo-GmT5 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have lost no brain cells. They are all still there, and fully functional. You are just wrong, and too stubborn or ignorant to look up a few simple facts. MTGC (Michael) ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 8:11 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo Ok then why matrix and discrete. How is matrix the same as discrete because that is essentially what you are saying. You are saying that matrix is quad. How is that quad? Sounds to me like its crap relegated to the front two channels. In order to be quad youd need 4 channels. Matrix is NOT 4 channels. What do you think QUAD means? I think you old farts lost some brain cells in your pot smoking hippy days! --- Michael Upton wrote: > Sir, > > Not to stress the obvious, but it is you that > obviously does not know what matrix quad is. The > rear channels in SQ, QS and EV-4 all carry > independant information, ie NOT mono. It is not a > fancy ambiance system. I have researched it, in > great depth, and I say that you are mistaken in your > statements. > > MTGC (Michael) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: clemsonbloke > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo > > > I fail to see why any of you would call anything > matrixed quad. Do you not even know what matrix > is? > In a matrix system the rear channels are mono. It > is > nothing more than a fancy ambience system. If you > don't believe me then research it. Matrix is mono. > > Dolby Surround is matrix. Therefore it derives > information from the two stereo channels because > there > are no other channels. It is a two channel system > that draws out of phase information and throws it > into > a single mono channel consisting of two rear > speakers. > Those speakers are NOT in stereo. You guys need to > learn something about matrix before you open your > mouths because you are just wrong here. > > --- Michael Upton wrote: > > > Sorry to disagree, but matrix was a form of > > quadraphonic (4 channel) reproduction, and if > you > > will check, most 4 channel (quad) persons, like > > myself, do not laugh at the idea of matrix > > quadraphonic reproduction. Was matrix absolutely > > discrete? No, it was not. But with a good > decoder > > (Tate II or Lafayette full logic) you can get > close > > to discrete functionality out of a matrix > record. > > Matrix "stuff" did not come later, but was > developed > > along the same time as the only truly discrete > vinyl > > LP record playback system, RCA's CD4. It was > truly > > discrete 4 channel, but suffered from the fact > that > > the surround information was frequency response > > limited to about 12K, due the the fact that it > was > > carried on the record as a high frequency > (inaudble) > > carrier superimposed on the stereo grooves. > > You mention using the negative and positive > speaker > > leads to get a "quasi-quad" effect. This is > called > > the Haffler circuitry, and was developed to > recover > > some of the phase shifted surround material > encoded > > in stereo discs to give a feeling of "fullness" > to > > the stereo image, and contrary to your > statement, > > voila, you don't have a decoder for SQ records. > > If you get absolutely technical about it, the > only > > truly discrete quad sources from the 70's were > the > > tape formats, the 8 track cartridges (hiss city) > and > > the reel to reel tapes. > > My two (ok, maybe three) cents worth. > > > > MTGC (Michael) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: clemsonbloke > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 1:49 AM > > Subject: Re: {AMS} Re: Music for AM stereo > > > > > > Put simply any matrixed system is not Quad, it's > > matrixed. I think more folks will chime in on > this > > fact. That is WHY Quad was developed, to have 4 > > discrete channels. The matrixed stuff came along > > later when they saw quad wasn't going to make it > > as 4 > > seperate channels. Not many people were willing > to > > re-invest in new equipment at the time just to > > have 4 > > discrete channels. Pro logic will only decode > > portions of the SQ matrix discs, research and > > you'll > > find that out. You don't even need a decoder to > > pull > > out matrix information. You can do this with a > > regular stereo receiver. Simply take two > speakers > > to > > the rear connect the negative terminals of those > > back > > to speakers together then connect the positive > of > > the > > left rear to the positive of the left front and > > connect the right rear positive to the right > front > > positive. Oila' that is matrix period and that > > will > > decode those SQ discs. You can add a > potentiometer > > in > > the mix if you wish for a level control. Quad > was > > a > > discrete system. It was NEVER intended to be a > > matrix > > system. Go talk to true quad enthusiasts, > they'll > > laugh when you call any matrix system quad. > Alive > > and > > Kicking may have been released on an SQ disc > > however > > that is not, as I said in the earlier post, > quad. > > You > > could run the stereo disc of that recording > > thruogh > > that simple matrix setup I aforementioned above > > and > > you would get very similar results. I firmly > stand > > by > > my comments about this. > > > > -Kevin > > > > --- Possum Hunter > > wrote: > > > > > clemsonbloke wrote: > > > > Exactly how are you decoding a quadraphonic > > > recording with a pro logic > > > > system? > > > > > > Pro-Logic2 will decode Matrix Quad. > > > > > > > >Even if it weren't matrixed your CD player > > would > > > need 4 outputs instead of > > > >2 to achieve discrete quad. > > > > > > I didn't say it would decode discrete quad. It > > > decodes Matrix Quad > > > > > > > >Quad contains 4 discretely recorded channels, > > not > > > matrixed as is Pro Logic. > > > > > > Do your homework. There were several Matrix > Quad > > > systems. > > > > > > > >I've also researched the net and i've yet to > > find a > > > quadraphonic recording > > > >of any of Alive and Kickings material. > > > > > > The Album "Alive 'N Kickin'" was indeed > released > > in > > > QS Quadraphonic. > > > > > > > > I think you are incorrect here. Do not > confuse > > > discrete with matrix, > > > > theres a big difference. > > > > > > You are the only one here who is confused. > > > > > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM > === message truncated === __________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Sat Jan 13 08:23:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68354 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 16:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 16:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s17.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.89) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 16:17:55 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.10.140]) by bay0-omc1-s17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 08:16:45 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 08:16:44 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.215.65.146 by BAY122-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:16:44 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: References: <20070112220220.70807.qmail@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:16:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2007 16:16:44.0991 (UTC) FILETIME=[37F0F4F0:01C7372E] Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.89 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Michael Upton" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=Z1-DZHGbc4PhxBdYHLIRohBCkAGaqhWC6ULln9v198JCAgCdfB4g X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not really. HD means nothing, literally, and Quadraphonic has a meaning, pure and simple. MTGC (Michael) p.s. This is my last post on this discussion thread. I agree with the others that we have strayed from the original direction of this forum, that being AM Stereo. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Wagoner To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:53 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo Sounds like a repeat of the "meaning of HD" thread ... On Jan 12, 2007, at 2:47 PM, Michael Upton wrote: > Sir, > > Not to stress the obvious, but it is you that obviously does not > know what matrix quad is. The rear channels in SQ, QS and EV-4 all > carry independant information, ie NOT mono. It is not a fancy > ambiance system. I have researched it, in great depth, and I say > that you are mistaken in your statements. > > MTGC (Michael) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: clemsonbloke > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo > > I fail to see why any of you would call anything > matrixed quad. Do you not even know what matrix is? > In a matrix system the rear channels are mono. It is > nothing more than a fancy ambience system. If you > don't believe me then research it. Matrix is mono. > Dolby Surround is matrix. Therefore it derives > information from the two stereo channels because there > are no other channels. It is a two channel system > that draws out of phase information and throws it into > a single mono channel consisting of two rear speakers. > Those speakers are NOT in stereo. You guys need to > learn something about matrix before you open your > mouths because you are just wrong here. > > --- Michael Upton wrote: > > > Sorry to disagree, but matrix was a form of > > quadraphonic (4 channel) reproduction, and if you > > will check, most 4 channel (quad) persons, like > > myself, do not laugh at the idea of matrix > > quadraphonic reproduction. Was matrix absolutely > > discrete? No, it was not. But with a good decoder > > (Tate II or Lafayette full logic) you can get close > > to discrete functionality out of a matrix record. > > Matrix "stuff" did not come later, but was developed > > along the same time as the only truly discrete vinyl > > LP record playback system, RCA's CD4. It was truly > > discrete 4 channel, but suffered from the fact that > > the surround information was frequency response > > limited to about 12K, due the the fact that it was > > carried on the record as a high frequency (inaudble) > > carrier superimposed on the stereo grooves. > > You mention using the negative and positive speaker > > leads to get a "quasi-quad" effect. This is called > > the Haffler circuitry, and was developed to recover > > some of the phase shifted surround material encoded > > in stereo discs to give a feeling of "fullness" to > > the stereo image, and contrary to your statement, > > voila, you don't have a decoder for SQ records. > > If you get absolutely technical about it, the only > > truly discrete quad sources from the 70's were the > > tape formats, the 8 track cartridges (hiss city) and > > the reel to reel tapes. > > My two (ok, maybe three) cents worth. > > > > MTGC (Michael) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: clemsonbloke > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 1:49 AM > > Subject: Re: {AMS} Re: Music for AM stereo > > > > > > Put simply any matrixed system is not Quad, it's > > matrixed. I think more folks will chime in on this > > fact. That is WHY Quad was developed, to have 4 > > discrete channels. The matrixed stuff came along > > later when they saw quad wasn't going to make it > > as 4 > > seperate channels. Not many people were willing to > > re-invest in new equipment at the time just to > > have 4 > > discrete channels. Pro logic will only decode > > portions of the SQ matrix discs, research and > > you'll > > find that out. You don't even need a decoder to > > pull > > out matrix information. You can do this with a > > regular stereo receiver. Simply take two speakers > > to > > the rear connect the negative terminals of those > > back > > to speakers together then connect the positive of > > the > > left rear to the positive of the left front and > > connect the right rear positive to the right front > > positive. Oila' that is matrix period and that > > will > > decode those SQ discs. You can add a potentiometer > > in > > the mix if you wish for a level control. Quad was > > a > > discrete system. It was NEVER intended to be a > > matrix > > system. Go talk to true quad enthusiasts, they'll > > laugh when you call any matrix system quad. Alive > > and > > Kicking may have been released on an SQ disc > > however > > that is not, as I said in the earlier post, quad. > > You > > could run the stereo disc of that recording > > thruogh > > that simple matrix setup I aforementioned above > > and > > you would get very similar results. I firmly stand > > by > > my comments about this. > > > > -Kevin > > > > --- Possum Hunter > > wrote: > > > > > clemsonbloke wrote: > > > > Exactly how are you decoding a quadraphonic > > > recording with a pro logic > > > > system? > > > > > > Pro-Logic2 will decode Matrix Quad. > > > > > > > >Even if it weren't matrixed your CD player > > would > > > need 4 outputs instead of > > > >2 to achieve discrete quad. > > > > > > I didn't say it would decode discrete quad. It > > > decodes Matrix Quad > > > > > > > >Quad contains 4 discretely recorded channels, > > not > > > matrixed as is Pro Logic. > > > > > > Do your homework. There were several Matrix Quad > > > systems. > > > > > > > >I've also researched the net and i've yet to > > find a > > > quadraphonic recording > > > >of any of Alive and Kickings material. > > > > > > The Album "Alive 'N Kickin'" was indeed released > > in > > > QS Quadraphonic. > > > > > > > > I think you are incorrect here. Do not confuse > > > discrete with matrix, > > > > theres a big difference. > > > > > > You are the only one here who is confused. > > > > > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM > > radio. > > > From a mathematical > > > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > > > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > > Let Yahoo! 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Mail beta. > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Jan 13 10:28:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54919 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 18:28:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 18:28:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao04.cox.net) (68.230.241.35) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 18:28:20 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20070113182809.SPDS7494.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:28:09 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id AiTH1W00W2DrW980000000; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:27:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: <009101c7371a$a8fa45c0$32695b04@PossumHunter> References: <885117.65608.qm@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> <009101c7371a$a8fa45c0$32695b04@PossumHunter> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:28:07 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo posturing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=blSaFf-d5lSW0_GdHiJ04bmeOSnpPvxzipMAPVodcUOVvEnBC5Ke3x1496Sr X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Orange County Speaker did mine. They have a web site, orangecountyspeaker.com. I've used them twice, and I recommend them highly. Richard Wagoner On Jan 13, 2007, at 5:56 AM, Possum Hunter wrote: > By The way, does anybody know who can do a correct re-cone or just > replace the foam surround on my Pioneer HPM-60 speakers. I did like > the sound of these speakers and want to bring them back to life. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Jan 13 10:38:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34720 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 18:35:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 18:35:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao05.cox.net) (68.230.241.34) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 18:35:04 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20070113183144.NBGC15640.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:31:44 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id AiWs1W00S2DrW980000000; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:30:52 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: <20070112220220.70807.qmail@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:31:42 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=KGQXRuiVx2mDFwYkyyiF2sNkafaj3zZuZFwxAI76I7cqCmcng7i7Mbn6GNx5 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No; I meant that one ignorant person was claiming to know everything and being very insulting even when proven wrong. On Jan 13, 2007, at 8:16 AM, Michael Upton wrote: > Not really. HD means nothing, literally, and Quadraphonic has a > meaning, pure and simple. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Sounds like a repeat of the "meaning of HD" thread ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jan 13 12:22:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76101 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 20:18:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 20:18:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 20:18:01 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.106.38.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.106.38] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H5pIU-0005nA-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 15:16:15 -0500 Message-ID: <01b401c7374f$ac3a6280$32695b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <857310.88154.qm@web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <009801c7371b$abb94940$32695b04@PossumHunter> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 15:16:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=LTiuVpMWIhc-BnzsFozgzoEssPmQu56TzSGWw-Epi0uOwz54MEVr8vLI_EWnoA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Michael Upton wrote: > I always thought this was an area where the members could express what > they wanted to express, as long as it related at least marginally to AM > Stereo. > I have argued against what clemsonbloke has said in this forum, but I > stand by his right to say it. Sure he has the right to Free Speach, but I am saying he shouldn't write about things he does not know about at all. He may confuse others who are really here to learn. He is welcome to write all he wants, just know what he is writing about. If he wasn't 500 miles from here, I would invite him over to listen to some Matrix Quad in person so he would hear what he is talking about. If I was back in SC, I would invite him over to fire up the old RCA BTA1R1 and play radio. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Jan 13 12:27:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17901 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 20:26:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 20:26:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.29) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 20:26:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 10629 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2007 20:26:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: U4cD0wAVM1ksvV41ikNSBx_c9FpS7GXRvaUzGB_aKnWXS.lx25doI7mEEYKGD8fejF6MT0vmnh6cIfXFX0IdaGL8whN_tDbMtJk8JShcBHs7O5OntnKKn8xc7Zmwh70BIvp5BhyB Received: from [74.226.200.218] by web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 12:26:31 PST Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 12:26:31 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <009801c7371b$abb94940$32695b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <559649.10111.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=mSZ6KDM7ZnFddq6vpGM6GfhF4AInfvHUclUFZmdS1B4OJcikzD6O X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Troll? With a name like possum that would be more like you. Have you ever looked at how ugly those things are?? --- Possum Hunter wrote: > clemsonbloke wrote: > >I stand by everything I said. Plain and simple, > period. > > I honestly don't know why I haven't killfiled you a > long time ago. I thought > maybe you would like to learn about Electronics, > older Stereo systems, > methods of broadcasting Stereo and Quadraphonic. > > Nope! you are just an internet troll. > > Just please stop writing about things that you do > not know about. You may > confuse somebody who really does want to learn about > these things..or even > build or buy em to play with. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jan 13 12:27:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18141 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 20:26:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 20:26:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 20:26:51 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.106.38.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.106.38] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H5pKe-0005sa-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 15:18:28 -0500 Message-ID: <01bb01c7374f$fbd1c040$32695b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <146809.9113.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 15:18:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=mSZ6KCo7ZnFTDaeA7UT8_xcbbdYccZXq6crHS3ykz5jx-oDmrajCNaLPxI5GfQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Every system of broadcasting Analog Stereo is matrix, so do you think FM Stereo, TV Stereo, and AM Stereo are really just Mono? Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "clemsonbloke" To: Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:11 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo > Ok then why matrix and discrete. How is matrix the > same as discrete because that is essentially what you > are saying. You are saying that matrix is quad. How > is that quad? Sounds to me like its crap relegated to > the front two channels. In order to be quad youd need > 4 channels. Matrix is NOT 4 channels. What do you > think QUAD means? I think you old farts lost some > brain cells in your pot smoking hippy days! > > > > > --- Michael Upton wrote: > >> Sir, >> >> Not to stress the obvious, but it is you that >> obviously does not know what matrix quad is. The >> rear channels in SQ, QS and EV-4 all carry >> independant information, ie NOT mono. It is not a >> fancy ambiance system. I have researched it, in >> great depth, and I say that you are mistaken in your >> statements. >> >> MTGC (Michael) >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: clemsonbloke >> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:02 PM >> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo >> >> >> I fail to see why any of you would call anything >> matrixed quad. Do you not even know what matrix >> is? >> In a matrix system the rear channels are mono. It >> is >> nothing more than a fancy ambience system. If you >> don't believe me then research it. Matrix is mono. >> >> Dolby Surround is matrix. Therefore it derives >> information from the two stereo channels because >> there >> are no other channels. It is a two channel system >> that draws out of phase information and throws it >> into >> a single mono channel consisting of two rear >> speakers. >> Those speakers are NOT in stereo. You guys need to >> learn something about matrix before you open your >> mouths because you are just wrong here. >> >> --- Michael Upton wrote: >> >> > Sorry to disagree, but matrix was a form of >> > quadraphonic (4 channel) reproduction, and if >> you >> > will check, most 4 channel (quad) persons, like >> > myself, do not laugh at the idea of matrix >> > quadraphonic reproduction. Was matrix absolutely >> > discrete? No, it was not. But with a good >> decoder >> > (Tate II or Lafayette full logic) you can get >> close >> > to discrete functionality out of a matrix >> record. >> > Matrix "stuff" did not come later, but was >> developed >> > along the same time as the only truly discrete >> vinyl >> > LP record playback system, RCA's CD4. It was >> truly >> > discrete 4 channel, but suffered from the fact >> that >> > the surround information was frequency response >> > limited to about 12K, due the the fact that it >> was >> > carried on the record as a high frequency >> (inaudble) >> > carrier superimposed on the stereo grooves. >> > You mention using the negative and positive >> speaker >> > leads to get a "quasi-quad" effect. This is >> called >> > the Haffler circuitry, and was developed to >> recover >> > some of the phase shifted surround material >> encoded >> > in stereo discs to give a feeling of "fullness" >> to >> > the stereo image, and contrary to your >> statement, >> > voila, you don't have a decoder for SQ records. >> > If you get absolutely technical about it, the >> only >> > truly discrete quad sources from the 70's were >> the >> > tape formats, the 8 track cartridges (hiss city) >> and >> > the reel to reel tapes. >> > My two (ok, maybe three) cents worth. >> > >> > MTGC (Michael) >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: clemsonbloke >> > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >> > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 1:49 AM >> > Subject: Re: {AMS} Re: Music for AM stereo >> > >> > >> > Put simply any matrixed system is not Quad, it's >> > matrixed. I think more folks will chime in on >> this >> > fact. That is WHY Quad was developed, to have 4 >> > discrete channels. The matrixed stuff came along >> > later when they saw quad wasn't going to make it >> > as 4 >> > seperate channels. Not many people were willing >> to >> > re-invest in new equipment at the time just to >> > have 4 >> > discrete channels. Pro logic will only decode >> > portions of the SQ matrix discs, research and >> > you'll >> > find that out. You don't even need a decoder to >> > pull >> > out matrix information. You can do this with a >> > regular stereo receiver. Simply take two >> speakers >> > to >> > the rear connect the negative terminals of those >> > back >> > to speakers together then connect the positive >> of >> > the >> > left rear to the positive of the left front and >> > connect the right rear positive to the right >> front >> > positive. Oila' that is matrix period and that >> > will >> > decode those SQ discs. You can add a >> potentiometer >> > in >> > the mix if you wish for a level control. Quad >> was >> > a >> > discrete system. It was NEVER intended to be a >> > matrix >> > system. Go talk to true quad enthusiasts, >> they'll >> > laugh when you call any matrix system quad. >> Alive >> > and >> > Kicking may have been released on an SQ disc >> > however >> > that is not, as I said in the earlier post, >> quad. >> > You >> > could run the stereo disc of that recording >> > thruogh >> > that simple matrix setup I aforementioned above >> > and >> > you would get very similar results. I firmly >> stand >> > by >> > my comments about this. >> > >> > -Kevin >> > >> > --- Possum Hunter >> > wrote: >> > >> > > clemsonbloke wrote: >> > > > Exactly how are you decoding a quadraphonic >> > > recording with a pro logic >> > > > system? >> > > >> > > Pro-Logic2 will decode Matrix Quad. >> > > > >> > > >Even if it weren't matrixed your CD player >> > would >> > > need 4 outputs instead of >> > > >2 to achieve discrete quad. >> > > >> > > I didn't say it would decode discrete quad. It >> > > decodes Matrix Quad >> > > > >> > > >Quad contains 4 discretely recorded channels, >> > not >> > > matrixed as is Pro Logic. >> > > >> > > Do your homework. There were several Matrix >> Quad >> > > systems. >> > > > >> > > >I've also researched the net and i've yet to >> > find a >> > > quadraphonic recording >> > > >of any of Alive and Kickings material. >> > > >> > > The Album "Alive 'N Kickin'" was indeed >> released >> > in >> > > QS Quadraphonic. >> > > > >> > > > I think you are incorrect here. Do not >> confuse >> > > discrete with matrix, >> > > > theres a big difference. >> > > >> > > You are the only one here who is confused. >> > > >> > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest >> > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM >> > === message truncated === > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > The fish are biting. > Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. > http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jan 13 12:30:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60514 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 20:28:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 20:28:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 20:28:31 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.106.38.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.106.38] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H5pUH-0006XA-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 15:28:26 -0500 Message-ID: <01c801c73751$5fed3bd0$32695b04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 15:28:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo/Quadraphonic/Music royalties and other AM herbs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=oRD18PzHRAJoovoeZkKY3KyqKUhco3_TvBks9DxJ-E2PDDv6Tu77GFZXbyyjJg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jotape1960 wrote: >At last, does somebody know some today multichannel audio amplifier (or >home theatre) with ANALOG multichannel inputs? I think you would like the sound of the Dynaco QSA-300. It delivers 150 Watts per channel into 4 channels with 4 independent inputs, or can be bridged for 300 Watts per channel Stereo. I found a Dynaco Dealer going out of business many years ago and bought up all of their unbuilt kits. My Dad is using my QSA-300 and LOVES it. He is driving it with my PAT-5 Pre-amp. Keep an eye out on Ebay for one of these amps and you will be glad you did. Of course there is no law that says you can't use 4 mono amps or 2 Stereo amps to do what you want to do. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Jan 13 12:30:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63569 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 20:29:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 20:29:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.28) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 20:29:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 38627 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2007 20:28:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20070113202834.38625.qmail@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: tOA_lYcVM1nl07fkcN2p8e5SmafP4l42s4wlLdxNOiRQOgsLtfIAdA6oT2O9EVbwOQ-- Received: from [74.226.200.218] by web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 12:28:34 PST Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 12:28:34 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=pF5z3qindS3KkAmu8SyaX4Gn1G7cVyqU9tK4HbU-ktzMPbokHbOf X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Yeah it was caused by those HD radio lovers on here who used to preach AM Stereo only. Ha they'll love themselves right out of a job loving HD. I can't wait to see it happen so I can tell them "I told you so" --- Michael Upton wrote: > Not really. HD means nothing, literally, and > Quadraphonic has a meaning, pure and simple. > > MTGC (Michael) > > p.s. This is my last post on this discussion > thread. I agree with the others that we have > strayed from the original direction of this forum, > that being AM Stereo. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Wagoner > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:53 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo > > > Sounds like a repeat of the "meaning of HD" thread > ... > > On Jan 12, 2007, at 2:47 PM, Michael Upton wrote: > > > Sir, > > > > Not to stress the obvious, but it is you that > obviously does not > > know what matrix quad is. The rear channels in > SQ, QS and EV-4 all > > carry independant information, ie NOT mono. It > is not a fancy > > ambiance system. I have researched it, in great > depth, and I say > > that you are mistaken in your statements. > > > > MTGC (Michael) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: clemsonbloke > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:02 PM > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo > > > > I fail to see why any of you would call anything > > matrixed quad. Do you not even know what matrix > is? > > In a matrix system the rear channels are mono. > It is > > nothing more than a fancy ambience system. If > you > > don't believe me then research it. Matrix is > mono. > > Dolby Surround is matrix. Therefore it derives > > information from the two stereo channels because > there > > are no other channels. It is a two channel > system > > that draws out of phase information and throws > it into > > a single mono channel consisting of two rear > speakers. > > Those speakers are NOT in stereo. You guys need > to > > learn something about matrix before you open > your > > mouths because you are just wrong here. > > > > --- Michael Upton wrote: > > > > > Sorry to disagree, but matrix was a form of > > > quadraphonic (4 channel) reproduction, and if > you > > > will check, most 4 channel (quad) persons, > like > > > myself, do not laugh at the idea of matrix > > > quadraphonic reproduction. Was matrix > absolutely > > > discrete? No, it was not. But with a good > decoder > > > (Tate II or Lafayette full logic) you can get > close > > > to discrete functionality out of a matrix > record. > > > Matrix "stuff" did not come later, but was > developed > > > along the same time as the only truly discrete > vinyl > > > LP record playback system, RCA's CD4. It was > truly > > > discrete 4 channel, but suffered from the fact > that > > > the surround information was frequency > response > > > limited to about 12K, due the the fact that it > was > > > carried on the record as a high frequency > (inaudble) > > > carrier superimposed on the stereo grooves. > > > You mention using the negative and positive > speaker > > > leads to get a "quasi-quad" effect. This is > called > > > the Haffler circuitry, and was developed to > recover > > > some of the phase shifted surround material > encoded > > > in stereo discs to give a feeling of > "fullness" to > > > the stereo image, and contrary to your > statement, > > > voila, you don't have a decoder for SQ > records. > > > If you get absolutely technical about it, the > only > > > truly discrete quad sources from the 70's were > the > > > tape formats, the 8 track cartridges (hiss > city) and > > > the reel to reel tapes. > > > My two (ok, maybe three) cents worth. > > > > > > MTGC (Michael) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: clemsonbloke > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 1:49 AM > > > Subject: Re: {AMS} Re: Music for AM stereo > > > > > > > > > Put simply any matrixed system is not Quad, > it's > > > matrixed. I think more folks will chime in on > this > > > fact. That is WHY Quad was developed, to have > 4 > > > discrete channels. The matrixed stuff came > along > > > later when they saw quad wasn't going to make > it > > > as 4 > > > seperate channels. Not many people were > willing to > > > re-invest in new equipment at the time just to > > > have 4 > > > discrete channels. Pro logic will only decode > > > portions of the SQ matrix discs, research and > > > you'll > > > find that out. You don't even need a decoder > to > > > pull > > > out matrix information. You can do this with a > > > regular stereo receiver. Simply take two > speakers > > > to > > > the rear connect the negative terminals of > those > > > back > > > to speakers together then connect the positive > of > > > the > > > left rear to the positive of the left front > and > > > connect the right rear positive to the right > front > > > positive. Oila' that is matrix period and that > > > will > > > decode those SQ discs. You can add a > potentiometer > > > in > > > the mix if you wish for a level control. Quad > was > > > a > > > discrete system. It was NEVER intended to be a > > > matrix > > > system. Go talk to true quad enthusiasts, > they'll > > > laugh when you call any matrix system quad. > Alive > > > and > > > Kicking may have been released on an SQ disc > > > however > > > that is not, as I said in the earlier post, > quad. > > > You > > > could run the stereo disc of that recording > > > thruogh > > > that simple matrix setup I aforementioned > above > > > and > > > you would get very similar results. I firmly > stand > > > by > > > my comments about this. > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > --- Possum Hunter > > > wrote: > > > > > > > clemsonbloke wrote: > > > > > Exactly how are you decoding a > quadraphonic > > > > recording with a pro logic > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Jan 13 12:37:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47136 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 20:37:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 20:37:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 20:37:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 96680 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2007 20:24:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: nA.LhaMVM1luKa3VUwX1hfSWODi8.KWWgvjaBEjHvNqy0eqQTdVMc0lcmeMXEYIu6tU4.yt4sIgp.p89eixr9GbZslxt0pZxK98G.iZVk3SidFM8SHPx5HX7dUECfFHGsN3sov_j Received: from [74.226.200.218] by web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 12:24:53 PST Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 12:24:53 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <009101c7371a$a8fa45c0$32695b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <663228.95429.qm@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo posturing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=wBzkN_7_TnaAY0wG9yiM_-GDnWMZXt2yW94W7t71yoJKbllL_znj X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Why not buy the stuff new? :o) --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > And now YOU tell us what YOU have. > > While really I didn't care what kind of system Mr. > Bell has, I am now rather curious what sort of > "Reference System" he owns. Is it all silicone or > does he have some glass in there? "Real Stereos" > glow in the dark! > > For the record, the Dynaco stuff I have was all > built from kits. The other stuff was from radio > stations, Estate sales, Pawn Shops, unclaimed > repairs, and what have you. The ONLY new-in-box > components I bought was the HD-Radio and Realistic > Mach1 Speakers. My interconnects and speaker wires > are all Esoteric Audio. > > I do have other stuff laying around, and Dad has a > bunch of my stuff, so he can have a good Stereo. I > have a bad habit of getting on Freecycle and getting > fried electronics, fixing them, then use 'em if I > like them, freecycle them back off, or use them for > trading fodder. I also get junk from radio stations > and do the same with that stuff. It is a hobby that > keeps me off of the streets at night anyway :-) > > It is getting pretty hard to find kits to build now, > but I must say I enjoy the Ten-Tec kits I have put > together. I also like to bread-board stuff from > scratch. I need to make me a low noise VHF amp so I > can get a wee bit more signal to get my HD-radio to > decode more stations. The FM on it is not as hot as > my FT-101a. It is more like my Dynaco FM-3 kit that > Dad is listening to. > > By The way, does anybody know who can do a correct > re-cone or just replace the foam surround on my > Pioneer HPM-60 speakers. I did like the sound of > these speakers and want to bring them back to life. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in > frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jan 13 12:42:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 618 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 20:38:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 20:38:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 20:38:47 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.106.38.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.106.38] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H5pVf-0006fq-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 15:29:51 -0500 Message-ID: <01d501c73751$92ba9ad0$32695b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <885117.65608.qm@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> <009101c7371a$a8fa45c0$32695b04@PossumHunter> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 15:29:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo posturing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=tSO_VWjocKZvD-kOJA1UA5sFSuC3qQ8wYCwY3Kmbn_YLsKjFSMo0dzHVFJVYCQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Thanks a bunch! I will have to get me a re-edging kit and get those HPM-60s back into service! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wagoner" To: Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 1:28 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo posturing > Orange County Speaker did mine. They have a web site, > orangecountyspeaker.com. > > I've used them twice, and I recommend them highly. > > Richard Wagoner > > > On Jan 13, 2007, at 5:56 AM, Possum Hunter wrote: > >> By The way, does anybody know who can do a correct re-cone or just >> replace the foam surround on my Pioneer HPM-60 speakers. I did like >> the sound of these speakers and want to bring them back to life. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Jan 13 12:44:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18295 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 20:41:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 20:41:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.27) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 20:41:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 13016 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2007 20:30:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QpCwlfAVM1lQedSKdK.5jC2fEDSbvmWgsCM8.7gZYu74T1FOTPmqQVe6H.NPdVZ10EqrpkPwKsmKSL_.7E0v74saeDVjNN_3Vo75hJ.sqXiOKIlqxJ8Z_1ETdZ5hziU2E4nrQ6v5qUlVh0UVmO25zHnB6OROnqEpYNL9Af4M6sbxDpsIHWIeEg-- Received: from [74.226.200.218] by web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 12:30:45 PST Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 12:30:45 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <01b401c7374f$ac3a6280$32695b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <737134.12334.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=nY2ZwzpsZFQvZxmBsVsM02QIYU7vX4Xxdte5SE749xzzshMV36hn X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke You wouldn't be inviting me over. Sir you are not the type of person that I would be friends with period. Stay in the trailer park please. --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Michael Upton wrote: > > I always thought this was an area where the > members could express what > > they wanted to express, as long as it related at > least marginally to AM > > Stereo. > > I have argued against what clemsonbloke has said > in this forum, but I > > stand by his right to say it. > > Sure he has the right to Free Speach, but I am > saying he shouldn't write > about things he does not know about at all. He may > confuse others who are > really here to learn. He is welcome to write all he > wants, just know what he > is writing about. If he wasn't 500 miles from here, > I would invite him over > to listen to some Matrix Quad in person so he would > hear what he is talking > about. If I was back in SC, I would invite him over > to fire up the old RCA > BTA1R1 and play radio. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jan 13 13:19:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38634 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 21:19:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 21:19:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 21:19:14 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.106.38.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.106.38] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H5qGZ-0002O0-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:18:20 -0500 Message-ID: <021b01c73758$586740c0$32695b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <663228.95429.qm@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:18:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo posturing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=0dx8Kbd0AX20HiSDChdgkQC2n4W8CO24BMOVNsnbOnWcvAHyfybpOoCrXLQZpQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 clemsonbloke wrote: > Why not buy the stuff new? :o) Well, the Dynaco Kits were New Old Stock, but the original Dynaco company closed up shop in 1980 The other components, other than my HD-Radio are simply no longer produced. Even the Klipsh Klipschorn Speakers changed design in 2005. My ears like the old ones better. The fact is if you want classic Hi-Fi equipment, you gotta get it used. Maybe it was properly kept. Maybe it was Jimmy-Rigged and needs to be rebuilt to meet the original Specs. You simply ain't going to go out and buy a new Dynaco ST-70 or Carver Silver Seven...and you are not going to find something new in the same class without paying Hundreds of Thousands of Dollars for your Stereo system. So what sort of "Reference System" do you own? Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jan 13 13:22:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73865 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 21:22:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 21:22:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 21:22:02 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.106.38.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.106.38] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H5qK4-0002eR-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:21:57 -0500 Message-ID: <022d01c73758$d9eb6180$32695b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <737134.12334.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:21:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=6y0Hlj82DKdR7VB-ckyD7n7X1aF_tJ962egZqnYngpHL7vHg26_kZFaK-FkSMw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 TROLL! ----- Original Message ----- From: "clemsonbloke" To: Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 3:30 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo > You wouldn't be inviting me over. Sir you are not the > type of person that I would be friends with period. > Stay in the trailer park please. > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jan 13 13:25:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33675 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 21:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 21:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 21:24:52 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.106.38.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.106.38] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H5qJC-0002dK-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:21:02 -0500 Message-ID: <022601c73758$b95120e0$32695b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <559649.10111.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:20:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=K02wSpzNp22Opz2ObCclIpckBOdm-AMA8qXKqinOY3ILpPUO39i5nQ_BovyeZQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 clemsonbloke wrote: > Troll? With a name like possum that would be more like you. Have you > ever looked at how ugly those things are?? You can't refute the statement so you attack the person....Yup, you are a troll. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jan 13 13:40:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78659 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 21:40:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 21:40:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 21:40:05 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.106.38.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.106.38] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H5qRS-0003Bb-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:29:35 -0500 Message-ID: <026801c73759$eaa83e20$32695b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <20070112220220.70807.qmail@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:29:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=f-QqXoWbGMwJ_BrbTQdvbUlkd339qn8LFFLZfK6W22k-H-kdd_3Xd3pkYCLSQw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Michael Upton wrote: > Not to stress the obvious, but it is you that obviously does not know what > matrix quad is. The rear channels in SQ, QS and EV-4 all carry > independant information, ie NOT mono. He knows. He is just a troll. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Jan 13 14:17:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42520 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 22:17:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m38a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 22:17:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 22:17:40 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.123]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 143250084 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:17:35 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c73761$42a03720$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <041101c735e3$eb275420$196b5b04@PossumHunter> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:21:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.220.123 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=ux2JjLgvUlYstSBEsaSmXgpK7N44J77oIOQZfYSMLdwFHcEyI_IY X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The cathanode transmitter wasn't designed until the late 50s or early 60s. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > >I think the AM sound could be better than the FM sound IF THE LAWS LET IT BE THAT WAY!!! The limitations of the AM sound are in the rules not in the technics. > > Very True! Radio Station WLW was certified "High Fidelity" with frequency responce exceeding 20Cps-20,000Cps in the 1930s! > > From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jan 13 14:24:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11787 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 22:24:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 22:24:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52212.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.135) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 22:24:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 89812 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2007 22:23:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Zh4mLZoVM1nDnarJdZVrrcuDjwLburKEz3wUeRIjbUuU7twAIJDFGvxcl4EaoalWTkNN_vPjE440S36b8Ilr_92uaLjuTZdKUf4bP0wjGlZ24Vw5fdSfjvV_36dSux9bwHZ5TYQYtzbuaJI- Received: from [12.76.217.172] by web52212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 14:23:59 PST Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 14:23:59 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <559649.10111.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <301957.89083.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=QHRo123-bNF4kPDk9QPFfaoJwbJi_B2Lk0gwoelNyZU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- clemsonbloke wrote: > Troll? With a name like possum that would be more > like you. Have you ever looked at how ugly those > things are?? They are only cute when babies. I had a baby climb up the dryer vent. I had only the AC in the bedroom on and it was on Ultra HIGH freeze and I had a blanket on too. The little bugger snuggled up in the crack of my rear and went to sleep. When I rolled over on him, he hopped off the bed. I tried to coax him back up but NOOOOO....I guess he didn't want to get flattened again. I managed to coax him out the front door however. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jan 13 14:26:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51386 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 22:26:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 22:26:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52210.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.133) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 22:26:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 35859 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2007 22:26:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XGTkLeYVM1lm754uirIRQkFr7XEHSTi3wk9wWhutZYQ.2e2qpzpCiag41PKLRpkff0KLAQZ3DnzhYpbUzN6KUgbj_QNhAPQE441GOHj0DhiCwKBe1IjdS0rXMDT.c1p7QeGcG9EtN2OR Received: from [12.76.217.172] by web52210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 14:26:47 PST Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 14:26:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <737134.12334.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <142718.31307.qm@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=7t4FZdBUkpZLF8tjNxGKEPNkvKLRcTkcpj8sZFGfHm4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- clemsonbloke wrote: > You wouldn't be inviting me over. Sir you are not > the type of person that I would be friends with >period. Stay in the trailer park please. I know Possum Hunter Kevin. He can come over any time. You certainly don't know WHAT kind of person he is. I do. Powell From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Jan 13 14:40:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93880 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 22:37:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 22:37:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 22:37:42 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.123]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 144761624 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:35:51 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <011001c73763$d067c4e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <021a01c73686$50ade640$ce6c5b04@PossumHunter> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:40:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.220.123 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=dXS5g1X5ZHQYXgDaiOyitfGCv1-dmga1MbG8xYehclWeSmSUQ9iv X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Don't tell that to Salem. They're dead serious about running profitable AMs, though the vast majority of them are some form of talk. IIRC they may have a couple of southern gospel stations in the SE as the exceptions. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > The owners of AM stations are mostly using them as tax write-offs. They want > to run them as cheaply as possible. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jan 13 15:48:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14640 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 23:47:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 23:47:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 23:47:20 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.40.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.40] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H5sak-0006g8-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:47:18 -0500 Message-ID: <032901c7376d$28013840$32695b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <142718.31307.qm@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:47:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=BRC1hSvAzliyaKDLNeLDnC2VX_icTJly00OYL5_FxPRzvX5uSpOBucXU0qVl0g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Of course if you get cold, just come on down to Florida and we will lick back a Cold one and listen to Pink Floyd in SACD. LOL Possum ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" To: Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 5:26 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo > > --- clemsonbloke wrote: > >> You wouldn't be inviting me over. Sir you are not >> the type of person that I would be friends with >>period. Stay in the trailer park please. > > > I know Possum Hunter Kevin. He can come over any time. > You certainly don't know WHAT kind of person he is. I > do. > > > Powell > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Jan 13 15:59:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44714 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 23:59:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2007 23:59:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 23:59:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 97935 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2007 23:58:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MF8ICWUVM1m28FH.Eha5lymSO_M.X6LGD8w9Rl9V1K9yYnveIFRdEogceH6DGen7GO3tUx3k0XpXID896s6TWGoJLwrCdPkOsrTQTnpyfnQXkaAhiaVRwMA4Bb3mY1KOIpZX7hHTMEdRC31Qi64PWI2zKo5XCUqYAVtbetiAjgCocE757qRxMQ-- Received: from [74.226.200.218] by web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 15:58:47 PST Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 15:58:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <032901c7376d$28013840$32695b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <592236.96881.qm@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=MqIbcIPeUc3hZTDH6C1LBvd2MbpHjuasjGRvSRPc598kciJRYWZ6 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke That just sounds like a gay pass. --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Of course if you get cold, just come on down to > Florida and we will lick > back a Cold one and listen to Pink Floyd in SACD. > LOL > > Possum > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 5:26 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo > > > > > > --- clemsonbloke wrote: > > > >> You wouldn't be inviting me over. Sir you are > not > >> the type of person that I would be friends with > >>period. Stay in the trailer park please. > > > > > > I know Possum Hunter Kevin. He can come over any > time. > > You certainly don't know WHAT kind of person he > is. I > > do. > > > > > > Powell > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jan 13 16:02:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6267 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2007 00:01:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2007 00:01:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52214.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.137) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2007 00:01:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 59677 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2007 00:01:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: AvPxs.YVM1nRMGuoKPa1FI0r50WTnrm7nOUbQgxubAqqlmywocLeWRZMkdsFw7ZdL_QVfa1dtzODBCh2vZhPzwD97xOVrqn21DCBgVx0G202lK9dLcujKOdAy5_7CNu36r3ZZq5ha1tK Received: from [12.76.217.149] by web52214.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:01:04 PST Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:01:04 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <032901c7376d$28013840$32695b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <489777.47276.qm@web52214.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=lKZsecy7cbor9aGQW7Sk1oCKeTbhvUgKPlTrzhEEle0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Of course if you get cold, just come on down to > Florida and we will lick > back a Cold one and listen to Pink Floyd in SACD. > LOL > Possum I could I guess. If I get cold I'll just curl up with a couple of wolves.... Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jan 13 16:09:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24970 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2007 00:06:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2007 00:06:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52202.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.125) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2007 00:06:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 2113 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2007 00:06:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20070114000604.2111.qmail@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: W9Xj2EsVM1kqz5NP2Q89ml9aDrDQeNFpV_zRgdnWVHDRrOpiuB2o1zzJuFjO.CYB24b071NiIdpYrHF4r6HwlUubI50kfDBjAmgstZa6EG37xQ4iKN566qZpRRyekzNDLaXe63d3tUmGZuU- Received: from [12.76.217.149] by web52202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:06:03 PST Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:06:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <592236.96881.qm@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.125 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=88klgs7fcy_CkvusY1QlCKX0r8xk5InKSbe450t3V4s X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- clemsonbloke wrote: > That just sounds like a gay pass. No...LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! We'd just talk dogs and bad things about you...... Powell From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jan 13 16:09:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6695 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2007 00:09:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2007 00:09:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2007 00:09:16 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.40.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.40] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H5svu-0000QF-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:09:11 -0500 Message-ID: <036a01c73770$36815960$32695b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <489777.47276.qm@web52214.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:09:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=NspmN93BoH0Aja4nJGmV1ZjCQ_3pJQmlqcvshTFHsONaHNHGtumMUA_CMiw37g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > I could I guess. If I get cold I'll just curl up with a couple of > wolves.... That sounds like a Howling Good Time! LOL Sorry, just couldn't resist. Donadaghovi AiSv Nv wa do hi ya do (Til next we meet, Walk in Peace) Possum Tsalagihi Ayili Lower Cherokee Nation From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jan 13 16:09:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43262 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2007 00:08:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m38a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2007 00:08:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2007 00:08:40 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.40.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.40] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H5shs-0007B9-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:54:40 -0500 Message-ID: <033e01c7376e$2fa54900$32695b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <301957.89083.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:54:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=NspmN93BoH0Aja4nJGmV1ZjCQ_3pJQmlqcvshTFHsONaHNHGtumMUA_CMiw37g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Possum Hunter is my Cherokee name. I earned it! LOL Anyway, Southern States feed store in Greenville, SC used to have a pet Possum named "Flea". He slept in a desk drawer and was quite popular with the regular customers. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" To: Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 5:23 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo > > --- clemsonbloke wrote: > >> Troll? With a name like possum that would be more >> like you. Have you ever looked at how ugly those >> things are?? > > > They are only cute when babies. I had a baby climb up > the dryer vent. I had only the AC in the bedroom on > and it was on Ultra HIGH freeze and I had a blanket on > too. The little bugger snuggled up in the crack of my > rear and went to sleep. When I rolled over on him, he > hopped off the bed. I tried to coax him back up but > NOOOOO....I guess he didn't want to get flattened > again. I managed to coax him out the front door > however. > > > Powell > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jan 13 16:13:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84626 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2007 00:13:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2007 00:13:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2007 00:13:14 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.40.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.40] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H5ssY-0000FW-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:05:43 -0500 Message-ID: <035f01c7376f$ba811df0$32695b04@PossumHunter> To: Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:05:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Fw: NTE NEWS and PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENTS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=-OmRVuZuujFEbuLVpzVd34VbG4Hl9FeLPhfDWdAqqasHcMgHsQJGNx8tgIHOwg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This might be useful for some of the other members, so I am passking it along. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: salesinfo@nteinc.com To: Possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 5:18 PM Subject: NTE NEWS and PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENTS Dear , NTE has just released version 13 of our popular electronic cross reference software, QUICKCrossTM. Here is a synopsis of the updates and changes: a.. All existing cross references updated.... now with crosses to almost 500,000 industry part numbers. b.. New data sheet links added and all updated to pdf format. c.. New Cross reference database added for Transformers. d.. New Cross reference database added for RF Connectors. e.. New 1/4 Watt 1% tolerance resistors added. f.. ECG Emerge 'N See flashlight pdf added. g.. ProVision pdf added. h.. Updated Antenna Rotor pdf with U-106 programmable version information. i.. 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Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" To: Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 7:06 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo > > --- clemsonbloke wrote: > >> That just sounds like a gay pass. > > > No...LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! We'd just talk dogs and bad > things about you...... > > > Powell > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jan 13 16:28:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15190 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2007 00:28:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m37a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2007 00:28:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2007 00:28:41 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.40.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.40] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H5t2f-0000zB-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:16:10 -0500 Message-ID: <037201c73771$3005ff40$32695b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <592236.96881.qm@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:16:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=8wEvL8V8NgGfLkVPagbNi53YPun2_47HNIqsTQE-byhR8kdnebaKZN2PvS1unw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TROLL! In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who enters an established community such as an online discussion forum and intentionally tries to cause disruption, often in the form of posting messages that are inflammatory, insulting, or off-topic, with the intent of provoking a reaction from others. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "clemsonbloke" To: Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 6:58 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo > That just sounds like a gay pass. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jan 13 17:50:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52433 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2007 01:50:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2007 01:50:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2007 01:50:47 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.40.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.40] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H5uW8-00007s-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:50:41 -0500 Message-ID: <043601c7377e$645c5c50$32695b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <041101c735e3$eb275420$196b5b04@PossumHunter> <007501c73761$42a03720$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:50:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=EjTiJNgr-XbmWkBZrPUmbe4OQCoKd0CKUMk6jy0TCd3JMePs59S_d65DDahclQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott Todd wrote: > The cathanode transmitter wasn't designed until the late 50s or early 60s. Woops, I stand corrected. from http://www.broadcasting101.ws/wlw-3.htm In January 1959, an improved transmitter went into operation at WLW. The rebuilding of the WLW transmission facilities cost about $300,000 (this was when most were moaning that radio itself was dead) and was under the direction of R. J. Rockwell, vice president of engineering. With the new facilities, including the Rockwell Cathanode Transmitter, and the new automatic gain control equipment, WLW began broadcasting with a frequency range from below twenty cycles per second to above 20,000 cycles per second with distortion of less than one percent. A microwave relay system was installed to send the WLW signal from the downtown studios to the transmitter at Mason, Ohio. That system operated with the call sign KQK59. With these engineering changes the station management began calling WLW "The Nation's Highest Fidelity Station." The WLW transmission was tested by the McIntosh Laboratory, Bighamton, New York. According to the report by Frank McIntosh, poresident, the WLW signal ranged from seventeen to 21,500 cycles per second--more than ten octaves--with a distortion of 0.3 per cent. Mr. McIntosh stated that: "it should be recognized that while FM is capable of this same order of fidelity, many stations have not achieved it because of limitations in microphones, preamplifiers, circuits, and program sources." Mr. Rockwell, in Broadcasting magazine said, "There seems to be a prevaling misconception that AM stations are limited in their permissable bandwidth. (If an AM station used a band only ten kilocycles wide it would transmit sounds only as high as five thousand cycles because of the nature of the amplitude modulation transmition.) Actually, this is not true. The basic allocations system for the AM band was originally set up by the FCC to provide adjacent channel separation of 40 kc in the same area and sufficient geographical separation on the 10, 20, and 30 kc channels to minimize interference. As a result high fidelity transmission can be accomplished in the AM band." If, that is, you've got a chief engineer who is a genius; and if, that is, the station is willing to back his dreams with the bucks that make such dreams come true. What can be done in broadcasting is not always what will be done in broadcasting. In every field of endeavor there is usually a standard by which all others in that field are judged. In broadcasting, most outsiders say, WLW is the standard. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Jan 13 20:41:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59749 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2007 04:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2007 04:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.163) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2007 04:41:09 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n6.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2007 04:40:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2007 04:40:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2007 04:40:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:40:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <043601c7377e$645c5c50$32695b04@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.19 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=-iFOnSn-aHpXgf53eGj-OgjnjP6bKkWVRHWuMZN31qnSDqkd_w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > Woops, I stand corrected. > from > http://www.broadcasting101.ws/wlw-3.htm > In January 1959, an improved transmitter went into operation at=20 WLW. The rebuilding of the WLW transmission facilities cost about=20 $300,000 (this was when most were moaning that radio itself was=20 dead) and was under the direction of R. J. Rockwell, vice president=20 of engineering. With the new facilities, including the Rockwell=20 Cathanode Transmitter, and the new automatic gain control equipment,=20 WLW began broadcasting with a frequency range from below twenty=20 cycles per second to above 20,000 cycles per second with distortion=20 of less than one percent. A microwave relay system was installed to=20 send the WLW signal from the downtown studios to the transmitter at=20 Mason, Ohio. That system operated with the call sign KQK59. With=20 these engineering changes the station management began calling=20 WLW "The Nation's Highest Fidelity Station." The WLW transmission=20 was tested by the McIntosh Laboratory, Bighamton, New York.=20 According to the report by Frank McIntosh, poresident, the WLW=20 signal ranged from seventeen to 21,500 cycles per second--more than=20 ten octaves--with a distortion of 0.3 per cent. Mr. McIntosh stated=20 that: "it should be recognized that while FM is capable of this same=20 order of fidelity, many stations have not achieved it because of=20 limitations in microphones, preamplifiers, circuits, and program=20 sources."... --------(Snip)-------- And I absolutely agree with you Kevin (or Possum Hunter) because I=20 tested my McMartin BA-2.5K, old but very good vacuum tube AM TX,=20 without the "legal" NRSC 7.5 kHz low pass filter and... believe it=20 or not the TX can transmit up to 15 kHz almost flat!!! And, if somebody thinks that the AM TX frecuency response isn't the=20 only topic to compare with FM sound, depending on the kind of=20 modulator circuit, I know we can get less than 0.1% of audio=20 distortion with solid state TX and less than 1% with vacuum tubes=20 (specially when they are new). So... THERE ISN'T ANY TECHNICAL REASON BECAUSE AN AM TX SOUNDS BAD. Aditionally, the AM Stereo systems, C-QUAM or KAHN, must improve the=20 good sound. Why the AM Stereo died? I have a theory: because the musicians=20 started to be excessively "moneymarker" and started to charge too=20 much fees and royalties to the radios; so the radios counterattacked=20 with the NO-MUSIC format. Of course, if they didn't transmit music,=20 the stereo "passed to the history"!!! It's a pity!!! Don't you agree? (I insist in my idea about the radios don't have to pay those fees=20 and royalties because the musicians can't "live" without the radios) An issue about matrix systems: It's true, C-QUAM AM STEREO and=20 standard FM STEREO are matrixed systems, but ISB AM STEREO could be,=20 I repeat IT COULD BE, a not matrixed system using RF sideband=20 filters instead the complicated KAHN matrix. It's my humble opinion. And the last... today, I get back to listen the only one SQ=20 Quadraphonic record I still have in good condition (I had other=20 but... it's a complete failure because the "fried potatoes" noise)=20 with my old Pioneer receiver and putting the speakers around me...=20 it sounds very nice: a very good stereo recording on front and a=20 good stereo reverb effect from my sides. OK, maybe it could be=20 better but.. man, it was made in 1974!!! The engineers were too=20 worried about how to eliminate the hiss noise from the cassette=20 tapes and the surface noise from the records those years; the solid=20 state TXs were only a rich man dream that year; nobody thoughts=20 about some other future those days, much less the digital audio!!!=20 So, I think the system is absolutely valid even today. Of course, if=20 somebody could improve it... GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Jan 13 20:58:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92751 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2007 04:57:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2007 04:57:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao04.cox.net) (68.230.241.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2007 04:57:18 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20070114045532.GIRU7494.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:55:32 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id Asuf1W00W2DrW980000000; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:54:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:55:32 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOR Lyndhurst Towers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=FqMCxHZJevS2EpwasZen0gwieSq34WNxxOL2reZND2t4uZ43c2PvK2MVdvoP X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like the way the reporter asks, "where will the new towers be," as if WOR is going to be off the air while they build new ones ... now. On Jan 11, 2007, at 3:22 PM, Tom Ray wrote: > Tower demolition of the old site went off as planned today. You can > view video at 7online.com: > > http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=local&id=4926618 > > Tom Ray > WOR > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Jan 13 21:30:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98244 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2007 05:27:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2007 05:27:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.161) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2007 05:27:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 78370 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2007 05:26:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MqNJeBIVM1nscbyIE8JDCgR2wzxIbJygRUlFmTZ6uN3ypa6ARwaQ3hnTFJpw8FdxKKgbxLOBNCRczF5a690tCAXxMD7aXtW4URjEfgsbHs8pr4GzGDOcHoGUUeOUgRXrTI6Cc9DI0w-- Received: from [72.240.139.231] by web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:26:45 PST Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:26:45 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <687118.78117.qm@web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: Music for AM stereo/Quadraphonic/Music royalties and other AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=m4dInDBcBbg1fXhjMvjmkZyhDxIw3y64yDhjAQkCYW-xw_Mx7WDC_ME X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio The XYL cracks-up when she sees me salivate over the cover of my 1972 Layfayette Radio Electronics catalog and all the fantastic quad equipment. If I could borrow the DeLorean from Back to the Future, that's where I would stop in time and buy a quad reel to reel and amp! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jan 14 01:16:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17562 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2007 09:16:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2007 09:16:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.105) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2007 09:16:23 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n10.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2007 09:16:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2007 09:16:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2007 09:16:18 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 09:16:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <036a01c73770$36815960$32695b04@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.105 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.0.44 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=wUsj6qpDDwya-xudiUu39b-KXc2CBwfcwbaVlpVNs1DYsIv2 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > Donadaghovi AiSv Nv wa do hi ya do > (Til next we meet, Walk in Peace) Being that I'm used to being around Hupa and Yurok, and my hometown is=20 in Wiyot territory, and I have cousins who are Yurok, I have a healthy=20 respect for native voices...and I can only wish the languages of our=20 First Nations could thrive once more- To me, Tsalagi (Cherokee) is a=20 beautiful language that is as beautifully written in Sequoya's=20 syllabary- Made by a man so honoured to have a whole family of tree=20 species named for him, which still thrives- albeit in second-growth,=20 mostly- where I live. And thus, full circle. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Jan 14 03:37:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30845 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2007 11:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2007 11:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.37) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2007 11:29:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 62599 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2007 11:29:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7XVX9V4VM1n2hhQAiJeyRYzde3vjeQ2hpAr2zJwZ7T0LRYyaQ3CRE81ZZsnWRVQoQztV4ORNFpLZLX.eQbgcqTXgw_hlw_J7UFpNjAeQ3NYW.3S.QJjI_uBYc4VueV3MVAh834pf Received: from [74.226.200.218] by web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 03:29:43 PST Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 03:29:43 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <169403.56433.qm@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=rYzA1WdIbJqoU5v3AtdtlKx3knbUVLdd3VmpR8S2raomqTsL1PYv X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Yeah one day English is going to be a rarity the way things are going in this country. It's high time this country declared english the official language before we are taken over by those taco's running for the border! --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum > Hunter" > wrote: > > > > Donadaghovi AiSv Nv wa do hi ya do > > (Til next we meet, Walk in Peace) > > Being that I'm used to being around Hupa and Yurok, > and my hometown is > in Wiyot territory, and I have cousins who are > Yurok, I have a healthy > respect for native voices...and I can only wish the > languages of our > First Nations could thrive once more- To me, Tsalagi > (Cherokee) is a > beautiful language that is as beautifully written in > Sequoya's > syllabary- Made by a man so honoured to have a whole > family of tree > species named for him, which still thrives- albeit > in second-growth, > mostly- where I live. And thus, full circle. :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? 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Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Jan 14 05:19:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2434 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2007 13:19:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2007 13:19:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2007 13:19:08 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.235.252.24.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.235.252.24] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H65Fw-0000am-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:18:41 -0500 Message-ID: <00ef01c737de$8092cc00$18fceb04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:18:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=Q0N1Jveg4CjgsBhhe36jC3pFvfRszHaC76WnjQG-hzOQbtfOefyCc19GYYVmMw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jotape1960 wrote: >And, if somebody thinks that the AM TX frecuency response isn't the only >topic to compare with FM sound, depending on the kind of modulator circuit, >I know we can get less than 0.1% of audio distortion with solid state TX In the AM Stereo archives is an air check of 1600 WWRL in AM Stereo without NRSC filtering. It is the best sounding AM you will ever hear. I do agree with your post. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From castellano105@yahoo.com Sun Jan 14 05:29:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14419 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2007 13:25:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2007 13:25:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60215.mail.yahoo.com) (209.73.178.118) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2007 13:25:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 83106 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2007 13:25:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5K36OtMVM1kEQQ_KP5pOqHwVyAQR02LyTWpGpCC3yYzg2iKc3Veq3xNLYVqNK.hSLEeQgF.r4X9t.BBWIJR1rJyKpQz2CX_2DnAyf.j5HT4NGS4MUId2RninslfRukF_zM7XwJ9xtrgqhVPnxc..65TbiWg- Received: from [69.34.84.238] by web60215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 05:25:22 PST Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 05:25:22 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <169403.56433.qm@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <472500.81613.qm@web60215.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.73.178.118 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Francisco Guzman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758; y=SLk-26aTU6ATJMjWlklI9ZdsJDQ4qUEKoyHkozDbTfepEf-IZm6Qbg X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 Languages come and go over time,look at Europe. Latin and Greek were the languages of the Roman Empire , Now its English and French. But all over the World,from China,Japan to Europe a child of Latin is ones again raising to the Top Spanish. It,s like music styles they come and go with the ages. Someday our descendants may manly speck Chines or not. Population,Languages come and go.You can't change some things. --- clemsonbloke wrote: > Yeah one day English is going to be a rarity the way > things are going in this country. It's high time > this > country declared english the official language > before > we are taken over by those taco's running for the > border! > > > > --- Amy Mousie wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum > > Hunter" > > wrote: > > > > > > Donadaghovi AiSv Nv wa do hi ya do > > > (Til next we meet, Walk in Peace) > > > > Being that I'm used to being around Hupa and > Yurok, > > and my hometown is > > in Wiyot territory, and I have cousins who are > > Yurok, I have a healthy > > respect for native voices...and I can only wish > the > > languages of our > > First Nations could thrive once more- To me, > Tsalagi > > (Cherokee) is a > > beautiful language that is as beautifully written > in > > Sequoya's > > syllabary- Made by a man so honoured to have a > whole > > family of tree > > species named for him, which still thrives- albeit > > in second-growth, > > mostly- where I live. And thus, full circle. :) > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time > with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news > Franciscoguzman@yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Sun Jan 14 10:46:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41098 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2007 18:42:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2007 18:42:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.9) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2007 18:42:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2007 18:41:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2007 18:41:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:41:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.2.158.155 From: "apolloheatshield" Subject: AM stereo on Ebay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=xSPP3nfVIqJ3ckQrk5sbaerNXUVIJb6rWScmYJS5yz-8RkmWPlE-geBA X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 I revised my item I'm selling on eBay. It's a Delco AM-Stereo=20 Cassette player w/EQ. Item number is 290070135802.=20=20 From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Jan 14 11:43:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16050 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2007 19:36:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2007 19:36:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2007 19:36:12 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.111.77.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.111.77] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H6B9F-0006ga-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:36:09 -0500 Message-ID: <013601c73813$3c397100$4d6f5b04@PossumHunter> To: Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:36:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo posturing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=0PsEqeUeCWWgfuAiiXOymzaLEET_9xy5lSQtUgzs7roFUCx1kkJi9k-lZs0qAQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 clemsonbloke wrote: > Why not buy the stuff new? :o) So, what is YOUR "reference system"? A Denon from Sound Advise? Onkyo from Circuit City? or Technics from Brandsmart? Enquiring minds want to know. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Jan 14 12:37:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8049 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2007 20:35:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2007 20:35:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2007 20:35:08 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.12]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 143424347 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:32:29 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <008301c7381b$c01ac200$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:37:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 4, First 3, in=4, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.12 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=VJzDJwt5_N336LfOLl5h2reahe2D5paq4PNysqewLpBn89-rNYin X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Not really. It's certainly *easier* to make music sound better on FM than AM. If you were to go 100% sychronous detectors for AM much of that disparity would go away, but it's an expensive proposition (compared to a simple diode detector) plus you still have noise to deal with. As has been said many times before, the manufacturers don't make a lot of money off radios and thus aren't anxious to put a lot of effort into making better ones. Thus music will sound better on FM than AM. Couple that with the music mafia making it so expensive to air their product and it really is not such a wonder that talk has taken over the AM band. Another obstacle is when an AM does try and succeed at a music format, it'll likely be copied by some marginally performing FM which will steal the AM's audience (better audio, no day/night disparity in reception, etc.) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" Why the AM Stereo died? I have a theory: because the musicians started to be excessively "moneymarker" and started to charge too much fees and royalties to the radios; so the radios counterattacked with the NO-MUSIC format. Of course, if they didn't transmit music, the stereo "passed to the history"!!! It's a pity!!! Don't you agree? (I insist in my idea about the radios don't have to pay those fees and royalties because the musicians can't "live" without the radios) From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Jan 14 12:57:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59298 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2007 20:57:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2007 20:57:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao03.cox.net) (68.230.241.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2007 20:57:53 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20070114205531.CNDB29122.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:55:31 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id B8uf1W0052DrW980000000; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:54:39 -0500 In-Reply-To: <008301c7381b$c01ac200$d503fea9@stodd> References: <008301c7381b$c01ac200$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <12716EA4-43E8-480C-AA75-099C13AF64F5@cox.net> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:55:27 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Music for AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=vVWyufWmD9luDjG9SG7s2RipJ9IBI8s3tlKtRMZYY9kHD7xufu60AQLmGsOa X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In Los Angeles, it was a matter of everyone literally moving to FM. They may have been forced there in some cases with really bad programming ("Car Radio KHJ," sleepy AC KFI, etc.), but the fact is that people generally prefer the sound of the "typical" FM radio over the "typical" AM radio. And bad AM stereos, such as the little Radio Shack tuner that was narrowband stereo, certainly didn't help. Most AM stereo tuners were awful and made people think that AM stereo wasn't a big deal. The few that were good were were too little, even if they weren't too late. Richard Wagoner > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "jotape1960" > > Why the AM Stereo died? I have a theory: because the musicians > started to be excessively "moneymarker" and started to charge too > much fees and royalties to the radios; so the radios counterattacked > with the NO-MUSIC format. Of course, if they didn't transmit music, > the stereo "passed to the history"!!! It's a pity!!! Don't you agree? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Jan 14 19:05:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77911 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2007 03:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2007 03:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.34) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2007 03:05:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 93862 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jan 2007 03:05:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BWnsOhwVM1mj4EnK_vGBi2U..nMS3HnsunBViu8QV.FqRqEi2rlk1ddaEYGw3JI0PQJZ9CgaYZH8kNHKWO95XJuYC59wmcKCzkeN.gJKXzNXckZEOuuSgM_3kSbf94elyhZTqP1Y Received: from [74.226.200.218] by web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:05:18 PST Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:05:18 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <013601c73813$3c397100$4d6f5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <354724.91002.qm@web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo posturing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=M9sLA2ZQwUmPe34Jb9floX6gtouL-YOYxNoNaqvT65MHvezuOPP5 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Ha i'm through trying to communicate with a redneck. --- Possum Hunter wrote: > clemsonbloke wrote: > > Why not buy the stuff new? :o) > > So, what is YOUR "reference system"? > > A Denon from Sound Advise? Onkyo from Circuit City? > or Technics from > Brandsmart? > > Enquiring minds want to know. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jan 14 19:19:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4461 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2007 03:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2007 03:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52207.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.130) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2007 03:19:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 67193 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jan 2007 03:19:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20070115031924.67191.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Ikjkqo0VM1kLWg26LmVOwr_uZM5MNbODvODGEQjrRTxGqokPjowG3FXXqrA5kJFkJS_Q0Ref3kv8gSJ4jW.1OIVF5.rp5uojpX5DibwjE9z50rGm8RO4YlUw4yAK.fv5pKXY3eTml25wCA-- Received: from [12.76.217.114] by web52207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:19:24 PST Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:19:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <354724.91002.qm@web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo posturing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=QiTHc-1pDHOReutwMeA4Wn4JbZp_7pw1UcCyZhz1R0c X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- clemsonbloke wrote: > Ha i'm through trying to communicate with a redneck. His posts are a lot more literate than the one above. Powell (right now with *NO* voice though I feel better) From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Jan 14 20:41:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6773 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2007 04:40:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2007 04:40:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.27) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2007 04:40:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 86909 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jan 2007 04:39:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ICt7_C0VM1nQRmXyXBUe2t6lfeiHejSGPnrFJHP77LziLBnlMjr3COj81X7_DQYLMEo58s2ZobC.B8ViCp4Ww6mSeIkOVAqjhXNAQTh022DE9yolb.sEwrXB81jXzlzF2v728NY- Received: from [74.226.200.218] by web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:39:30 PST Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:39:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20070115031924.67191.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <576095.86413.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo posturing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=CTykKHP9sqPMxII5FxJhc-6fDvcOsaGZkGq4YAuikbZGuC3oYpbr X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Well we agree to disagree. --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- clemsonbloke wrote: > > > Ha i'm through trying to communicate with a > redneck. > > > His posts are a lot more literate than the one > above. > > > > > Powell > > (right now with *NO* voice though I feel better) > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 15 05:49:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31491 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2007 13:49:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2007 13:49:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.162) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2007 13:49:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 19237 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jan 2007 13:47:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20070115134728.19235.qmail@web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: DsH9DroVM1mgQBI_cvOwonPUpShOteRilejmiVktNnmLgtBxHOcWxrqM2ZZI14stTLNtsfAbwkriL4YkERQmYNSzqNApjUI0ZGTpsSZPR.sWrxfbBHw_uBqP1.AzmSMgGhefnVMD1Pw- Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 05:47:28 PST Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 05:47:28 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: Stereo posturing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=N9l7pip-d7xvP7tH-x_uWWbAB13i0wpqoWnGFzdC_6dVRHp6XlU-8dc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Guys, enough bandwidth wasted on the back and forth antics - you can vent to each other directly to your own emails. Let's get back to AM stereo here... Speaking of a former superb AM stereo station, WJR, people have been commenting on how 'muddy' their sound is - and that's a good description for their bassy sound with no high frequency content, and surprisingly, no midrange anymore either. The Michigan Radio/TV Buzzboard has made note of that in the Detroit forum. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Jan 15 10:05:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37819 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2007 18:04:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m38a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2007 18:04:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2007 18:04:24 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.106.28.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.106.28] helo=PossumHunter) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H6W4X-0001G9-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:56:42 -0500 Message-ID: <016a01c738ce$81ab3cd0$1c6a5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <354724.91002.qm@web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:56:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo posturing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=aP6uPYEPvrZ4Usw6ziVaI0SOH1F9mLq6K1BO59Yv4l2tl1pSBco6s5vzT9VP7w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 clemsonbloke wrote: > Ha i'm through trying to communicate with a redneck. Ha! You listen to an GPX from Dollar General eh? TROLL! In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who enters an established community such as an online discussion forum and intentionally tries to cause disruption, often in the form of posting messages that are inflammatory, insulting, or off-topic, with the intent of provoking a reaction from others. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Jan 15 10:11:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6054 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2007 18:06:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2007 18:06:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2007 18:06:17 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.106.28.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.106.28] helo=PossumHunter) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1H6W8S-0001Wy-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:00:44 -0500 Message-ID: <018701c738cf$124f96a0$1c6a5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <20070115031924.67191.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:00:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo posturing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=jocyYHOcG48BeNMPc3uhiVtU3gwkNwGR8eLec6P8p-xHiBk8OIInUxC76oVfKQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW > His posts are a lot more literate than the one above. I honestly don't see how a person who has never met me can call me a "redneck"...but life goes on > >(right now with *NO* voice though I feel better) Gee I just got over a case of the same crud myself. Drink LOTS of OJ and you will be ok in a bit. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From tf3200ir@yahoo.com.au Tue Jan 16 02:39:23 2007 X-Deleted-Message: yes From tf3200ir@yahoo.com.au Tue Jan 16 02:45:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tf3200ir@yahoo.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20566 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2007 10:45:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m40a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2007 10:45:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2007 10:45:36 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2007 10:45:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2007 10:45:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2007 10:45:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 10:45:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 144.138.227.27 From: "Smiley" Subject: New Guy here X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=288652798; y=9u9S9TmuUmYdjCb_B4N0unECFpEgIBo0BL22eDvQ4y8Njlc X-Yahoo-Profile: tf3200ir Hello everybody..I'm Jeff from Perth Australia .I have put some pictures of some of my AM Stereo radio collection in the photo section for you folks to look at. There is my interpretation of the Alfredo exciter and two car AM Stereo radios. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jan 16 05:58:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50792 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2007 13:53:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2007 13:53:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.163) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2007 13:53:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 39451 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jan 2007 13:53:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LOqcVWMVM1lz59heDEBBjG6omUycvXCJCezvAkK.xzha2AVftmjF81JlApjrHzRn9SNZ6SV.5jpKF.e0Gq5Yc0oCExFHjJsRV5slz8VUKUFVOG.Hlsoa2mqY1E_lXktyl.DLMby5CGc- Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 05:53:04 PST Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 05:53:04 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <425774.34641.qm@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re:New Guy here X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=_hnYbqbh_5v_McetRxr-lSccpycChxuSWuAd-ob1CAY_T3q4297GT8o X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hi Jeff, Thanks for sharing your photos from Oz. There are a couple of AM Stereo listeners in your nice corner of the world, including Ian, who's within AM radio range of Melbourne. I had the same Clarion AM stereo radio in my car during the late 80's - I liked the selectable bandwidth. Great job on the Alfredo Lite Oz Transmitter too. Welcome to the group! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Jan 17 16:10:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14483 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2007 00:06:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2007 00:06:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2007 00:06:47 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.213]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 144115459 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:04:45 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <006301c73a94$eab13000$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <425774.34641.qm@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:09:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.213 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:New Guy here X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=ZhoygxRDuTJ0p_oS9KD45YkDQUpIUxkLGORy7szJU7e0MNX23oHT X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Didn't see any links to the pix. Welcome, Jeff! We're a rather motley bunch around here and we may not always get along perfectly, but it's a great group to be a part of nonetheless. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." To: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:53 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re:New Guy here > Hi Jeff, > > Thanks for sharing your photos from Oz. There are a couple of AM > Stereo listeners in your nice corner of the world, including Ian, who's > within AM radio range of Melbourne. > > I had the same Clarion AM stereo radio in my car during the late 80's - > I liked the selectable bandwidth. > > Great job on the Alfredo Lite Oz Transmitter too. > > Welcome to the group! > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast > with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > From tf3200ir@yahoo.com.au Thu Jan 18 02:54:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tf3200ir@yahoo.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72080 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2007 10:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m40a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2007 10:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.164) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2007 10:54:53 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n6.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2007 10:54:17 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2007 10:54:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2007 10:54:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:54:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006301c73a94$eab13000$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 144.138.227.172 From: "Smiley" Subject: {AMSF} Re:New Guy here X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=288652798; y=sstowyBFb9ULziizYb26hQ7wOqlwmJkJr4Xo5PA29iqKcl4 X-Yahoo-Profile: tf3200ir --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > Didn't see any links to the pix.=20=20 They are in the photos section ....http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/photos From mspproductions@gmail.com Thu Jan 18 08:24:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mspproductions@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37267 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2007 16:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2007 16:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.162.232) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2007 16:23:34 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i1so197567nzh for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:22:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.121.2 with SMTP id y2mr1802836pym.1169137349599; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:22:29 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [75.24.12.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id n63sm266607pyh.2007.01.18.08.22.27; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:22:28 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.3.061214 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:22:25 -0500 To: Ampex , "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" , "TENproject@yahoogroups.com" , "centraloffice@yahoogroups.com" , "amstereo@googlegroups.com" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Early Bell Labs Stereo Recordings Thread-Index: Acc7HNaqFYVUzKcQEduc8QADk639Qg== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Matt Patoray Subject: Early Bell Labs Stereo Recordings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272439332; y=Ta_O-iT8X7YwiwjzE55Jcu7Q0fMC2xkf2G7gVnvhpS2Hfhk X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_patoray This is kind of off topic but I thought some of you might be interested. I just finished transferring my copy of =B3Early Hi-Fi=B2 to CD and tweakin= g it a little in Felt tip sound studio. All I di for the tweaks are some eq to remove what was not recorded, and remove a little 60 cycle hum that was in = a few of the tracks, I normalized every track to =AD1 and did fade ins and ou= ts. These where also live recordings and it is amazing what you can hear on the cd, for saying the recordings where made in 1931-32 and stored until 1979 when they where put on lp. The recordings are not perfect by any stretch bu= t I really like them ,and the stereo recordings are impressive, hell I wish when I was recording one local orchestra I could have gotten the audience/hall to be half as quiet as the one in these recordings. If anyone Is interested in a copy let me know, reply off list at, mspproductions@gmail.com The cost for is $5 plus shipping for each copy. Please reply with your name/address and how you can make payment, I can accept paypal Matt From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jan 18 13:27:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41949 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2007 21:27:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2007 21:27:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.132) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2007 21:27:26 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2007 21:26:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2007 21:26:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2007 21:26:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:26:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.14.87 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Early Bell Labs Stereo Recordings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=Oh6gEApL6gbfOzb5Enx2q08mykL0-1dTrCHUSq84HxDG0ot4 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Matt Patoray=20 wrote: [snip] I know about these recordings- These were made by the Philadelphia=20 Orchestra under the baton of Leopold Stokowski (yes, of Fantasia fame- It was because of these recordings that Walt hired Stokowski), made=20 for several experiments by Bell Labs- and not just stereo. They experimented with making the first LP recordings, with lateral=20 disc cutting, and high dynamic range (in excess of 60dB), both mono=20 and stereo. The only official CD release of these recordings can be found on the=20 100th Anniversary collection of recordings of the Philadelphie=20 Orchestra- currently out of print. :( Saying that I'm interested in these recordings is an understatement!=20 Now, if only I could find the original experimental EMI/Abbey Road=20 stereo recordings of the same period, under the direction of Sir=20 Thomas Beecham, if I recall, or either Mozart's 40th or 41st=20 Symphonies- These haven't been issued on CD publicly, as far as I=20 know. :( I also have a CD of the oldest-surviving complete stereophonic tape=20 recording, recorded for Nazi-era German radio in 1944, of=20 Beethoven's Emperor Concerto. This was released on CD, and last I=20 checked, still in print, on the Music & Arts Programs of America,=20 Inc. labrel, CD # CD-815. Stunning- You can hear bombs dropping=20 outside the auditorium as well as anti-artillery fire-- Didn't=20 interrupt the music at all! Just a remarkable recording! :) And lastly, someone by accident found two sets of recordings made by=20 Duke Ellington- recorded from two different mics so they could decide=20 which is sonically best to release commercially- and resynced them to=20 produce amongst the oldest-known stereo recordings. As far as I know,=20 no other stereophonic recoveries of this kind have heen done since.=20 (It was a common practice at the time to record two discs at the same=20 time, to decide on which was preferred, sonically, but never restored=20 as stereo until modern technology made it possible.) These two=20 Cotton Club Band recordings- The last under Ellington- were available=20 on CD for some time, on Natasha Imports CD NI-4016, though I think=20 it's out of print, now. Wasn't easy to find in the first place,=20 though I do have it. Very enjoyable, nicely restored. :) Rhino had released several years back a series of film-soundtrack CDs=20 that used surviving multitrack elements from 1935-1955, including=20 most of Judy Garland's films of the period- including, yes, "The=20 Wisard of Oz"- I have most of these CDs except for the Judy Garland=20 issues- Ran out of steam, I guess. :) Similarly, threre is one CD of Glenn Miller in True Stereo- titled as=20 such- featuring surviving stereo elements from a couple films he did,=20 particularly "Sun Valley Seranade". This CD is on the Viper's Nest=20 label, VN-157. The CD may be out of print, now. I have it- It's=20 great! :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Jan 18 18:50:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87814 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2007 02:49:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2007 02:49:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.131) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2007 02:49:22 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2007 02:47:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2007 02:47:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2007 02:47:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 02:47:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.68 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Early Bell Labs Stereo Recordings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=3hG0Ng9u5ZR31FWLaXAytOcN14-ybOFYGEAg9CkjY-I9FjmrBA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 (snip) HI GANG!!! Another commercial issue: Why don't the record "makers" have remake=20 ALL the old, but very good, material like the Amy's list? Why there isn't enough AM radios with that music format? Maybe the N.Y. share prices guys have the answer? I often "clean" the records surface scratches with water and neutral=20 soap and put a gently extra "weight" to the cartridge (up to the=20 stylus recommended limit). Then I "process" the signal with "Cool=20 Edit Pro" software and its noise reduction algorithm. Of course, there is always an amount of uncleanneable noise or=20 scratches. Then you have "to use your fingers" and you have to try=20 to eliminate some noise with a manual "cut". A full cut of low frecuencies, below 50 Hz, and high frecuencies,=20 above 10 kHz, helps a lot with some material. I've always been greatly impressed with the old records because I=20 always think about the facilities of those years, like the pre- history, and the quality they got... really impressive!!! The same with the old AM engineers, with "palaeolithic" elements=20 they got too much!!!! Maybe some young guys of the forum must learn from the old guys and=20 all of us must to thanks all those people who made the basis of all=20 our today technology. LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AM, BETTER IF IT IS STEREO!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jan 18 20:16:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25276 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2007 04:13:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2007 04:13:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52214.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.137) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2007 04:13:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 61817 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2007 04:13:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ogfUtXAVM1mW32Wub2cLKxYlvYP.xLwjoX9FXnUN.1avaiQWEGpIfs.zN6PQOpAfvc76Gdc2TYpSHL2GJoYA8qjasTXZps2qarCay8hapIH5SpezyKTyOwYuDYSzzkWNBHgCdJw8fjrqRg-- Received: from [12.76.217.245] by web52214.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:13:42 PST Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:13:42 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <8979.61194.qm@web52214.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Early Bell Labs Stereo Recordings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=LUp_KuT1geBx--asCa9XwW8sSBUdHJdGZGjOX5Dl1Qg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jotape1960 wrote: > Another commercial issue: Why don't the record > "makers" have remake > ALL the old, but very good, material like the Amy's > list? Because there is no perceived money to make. We were discussing this on the Beautiful Music list. > Why there isn't enough AM radios with that music > format? You mean radio STATIONS, I guess. It's the young brats in those ad agencies that don't believe in AM, and just don't get it. > Maybe the N.Y. share prices guys have the answer? Not likely. > I often "clean" the records surface scratches with > water and neutral > soap and put a gently extra "weight" to the > cartridge (up to the stylus recommended limit). I generally often use Octagon soap or ZOTE. Then I pat dry with a soft towel. Powell From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jan 18 20:38:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59303 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2007 04:38:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m37a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2007 04:38:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.56) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2007 04:38:53 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2007 04:37:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2007 04:37:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 04:37:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.42.36 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Early Bell Labs Stereo Recordings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=R9MSRFdzljdA0_d69jvhKZ-IYMgZYwaxfhjqVUi8OnbtpBNV X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > (snip) >=20 > HI GANG!!! >=20 > Another commercial issue: Why don't the record "makers" have remake=20 > ALL the old, but very good, material like the Amy's list? For quite a few reasons, actually. Motion picture multitrack elements: Whhile most movie stereos made=20 them, relatively few survive, the majority of which are from MGM,=20 because they transferred quite a number of them to tape in the early=20 1950s. Nazi-era German stereo tape recordings: Only something like 6=20 recordings survive- 5 of them are short pieces/excerpts, with only=20 the Emperor Concerto being the only complete performance to survive.=20 The rest were wiped over and rerecorded over by both the Nazis and=20 Allied forces. There was an estimated 200 recordings from 1942-1945.=20 Although these were Nazi recordings, they certainly were a tremendous=20 loss, especially if the Emperor Concerto recording was any indication! Dual-disc multi-mic recording pairings: These platters, mostly from=20 1928-1938, still exist, especially in the Columbia Records vaults.=20 (RCA did the same- I don't know about other lavels.) The problem is,=20 no-one wants to spend the resources to match and resync these=20 platters, as it's thought the cost of same would be greater than the=20 possible sales. The Duke Ellington recordings were a fluked, as it=20 was a pair of record collectors who found two different pressings=20 each for two long-play (16" 78rpm) medleys- I personally think these=20 are the best of the Duke's recordings (I'm not a fan of Ellington,=20 though I love early jazz of the Depression era), as these capture the=20 pure fire of Ellington's Cotton Club days- Truly capturinng the best=20 of post-Dixieland jazz. It should be noted tyhat the earliest deliberately-recorded stereo=20 recordings were a set of experimental dual-groove cylinders that=20 Thomas Edison did around the time of his own talking-movie=20 experiments in the mid 1910s. These have never been remastered for=20 commercial issue as far as I know, but the Edison National Historic=20 Site has posession of these, and many other recordings and artifacts=20 of Edison's experiments and commercial projects. Because of the odd=20 way Edison insisted on mass-producing cylinders- 10-25 horns per=20 session, with each song recorded repeatedly until they have enough to=20 sell- it means no two cylinders are alike, although if one found=20 cylinders from the exact same session, it might be possible to resync=20 the cylinders for stereo sound. The problem is, since these were wax,=20 not many survive, making such pairings incredibly rare. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimmyyearwood@hotmail.com Thu Jan 18 22:22:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimmyyearwood@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3916 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2007 06:22:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m38a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2007 06:22:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.167) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2007 06:22:37 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n7.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2007 06:21:57 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2007 06:21:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2007 06:21:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 06:21:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.167 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.226.164 From: "jimmyyearwood" Subject: Who wants to listen to static in stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226592358; y=onMBqKhQdZ7SFGfcqEQAyaBWS--vthhij_fVckgwr-sb957IERFO7A X-Yahoo-Profile: jimmyyearwood I drive a cab for a living. Lucky for me it's a Lincoln with an AM=20 stereo/ FM stereo/ cassette deck. One of my passengers today was=20 spell bounded to hear an AM station in stereo. He'd never head of=20 such a thing before. A record from the Doors came on. He noticed the=20 separation and asked me how it was possible. I explained to him as=20 best I could abut cQuam and that it never really caught on. We started talking about why it never really seemed to take off and=20 how most people had never even heard of it at all. I told him it was=20 more than likely the FCC not settling on one system soon enough and=20 the lack of available AM stereo radios. Then he asked me a question I=20 had never really thought about before.=20 "Who wants to listen to static in stereo?" His idea was that people tuned out AM not because it wasn't in stereo=20 or even because of the lack of high frequency sound reproduction of a=20 standard AM radio..they tuned over to FM because of the static. He did have a good point...but..... I'd rather deal with a little noise from power lines and such then=20 that annoying flutter and drop-out of fringe FM reception. It would=20 seem to me like AM in town could do just as well as FM if not even=20 sound a little better in stereo. Out in the fringes is where it does=20 the most good..that is if you can avoid that weird channel hopping=20 cQuam sometimes does. to me even that is less annoying than the drop- outs of FM. Just wait untill that new digital system totally blanks out on FM in=20 the fringe arias and see how that goes over. You know how digital=20 works. It's either all or nothing at all. If this new thing does fly=20 (I still kinds doubt it) I think AM just might come out on top after=20 all. Only time will tell. What do y'all think? Do you really wanna listen to static in stereo?=20 I don't mind so much. From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Thu Jan 18 22:53:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87837 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2007 06:49:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2007 06:49:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.118) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2007 06:49:24 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2007 06:48:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2007 06:48:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2007 06:48:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 06:48:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.118 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.2.130.25 From: "Tom" Subject: Re: AM stereo on Ebay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=3VYC9u4KXqFdXGo3L1zDYmaLvvFusCspaAQe_R6VMAc9b4um9Wpyu9SQ X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 I re-listed this AM-Stereo Delco radio on eBay. I cut the price in half too. Tom Item number is 290074057489=09 From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Jan 19 00:40:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57338 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2007 08:40:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m41a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2007 08:40:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao01.cox.net) (68.230.241.38) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2007 08:40:56 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20070119084005.YJBC9173.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 03:40:05 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id CwfA1W00E2DrW980000000; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 03:39:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <6C30A1A5-00C3-495C-9761-F79C7E2DCE8C@cox.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 00:40:03 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Who wants to listen to static in stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=n0nAULpw58gAjeOkZyawJ4-zbaDs4GAnThrqntyVdWsTLqxaEfUZQurfxOxk X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's why Armstrong invented FM in the first place. On Jan 18, 2007, at 10:21 PM, jimmyyearwood wrote: > His idea was that people tuned out AM not because it wasn't in stereo > or even because of the lack of high frequency sound reproduction of a > standard AM radio..they tuned over to FM because of the static. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Jan 19 02:32:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14787 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2007 10:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2007 10:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52015.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.98) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2007 10:24:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 38848 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2007 10:24:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: c6UUgXsVM1mIc7Vh9U265QhSIPWXVv8fPTsg.mowjZDNN3IGJbNytApgWc7aAUuBUOUrnwj51Age5rq7PsDNi_xBBTkmT9KTZVc_GzICHeiGD7BHgI1n_8Pl_2b6C6zplpPUrIji5LmSZO5JhKCkuYp65KtqNOIa Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web52015.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 02:24:15 PST Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 02:24:15 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <402777.36733.qm@web52015.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.98 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Who wants to listen to static in stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=j0KWqa-JQ_CzLX_7z-fny8xbPvMiB0f_syTGV2rTQPGVAzurnUt1 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Was your passenger Joey Reynolds? Joey said the exact same thing back in the '80s about A.M. stereo. Personally I'd rather have static in stereo than static in mono. At least in stereo there's a chance of some audio getting through in one of the channels. In mono, it's all or nothing! Jay ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 19 05:02:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66590 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2007 13:01:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m39a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2007 13:01:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.200) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2007 13:01:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 30282 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2007 13:00:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jim883o08sg7rb) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.8.109.205 with login) by smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2007 13:00:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: pLxeZz0VM1kU9n3LGEqs1gTdwGymcpdbCg7CbQK7GjUfWg43gq8b4OQRJ8Z0EFdvGDQGWg2HMcV4fcztyEYqWyPu4jwSSYIjRJJq1a5uLw06O5ZELunq5N97Z_Bdoio- Message-ID: <000901c73bc9$d3f71880$b174fea9@jim883o08sg7rb> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 05:00:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: AM STEREO!!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=x8NM8yfHs3YWfOV5lCmYlfr-vqiETzRxckiOtU9X3-3wVQNS0QH6xv9YzINH1nBUHu6Yygoz X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I'd rather hear a little hiss or some static than drop outs like cell phones. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimmyyearwood@hotmail.com Fri Jan 19 15:50:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimmyyearwood@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93511 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2007 23:50:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2007 23:50:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.22) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2007 23:50:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2007 23:50:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2007 23:50:06 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:50:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <402777.36733.qm@web52015.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.226.164 From: "jimmyyearwood" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Who wants to listen to static in stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226592358; y=P8gVShVwn9NuIxfjxlwIOCnB2I_J-VOA3LWwz4vSygyrM-7Rs62lNw X-Yahoo-Profile: jimmyyearwood --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Was your passenger Joey Reynolds?=20=20 LOL! Neil Rogers all time non fave Joey " Rats in my Room" Reynolds.=20 Linoel says his show is like the world's strangest circus...or=20 something like that. What does he have in there at night? 20 or 30=20 people? I kinda dig his tales of the old days of personality driven radio. I=20 kinda caught the tail end of that era as a child. God I miss those=20 days. Nice to see he's still on the air...but...I still miss Joe Donovan.=20=20 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Jan 19 19:06:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27385 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2007 03:06:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m40a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2007 03:06:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.112) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2007 03:06:39 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2007 03:06:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2007 03:06:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2007 03:06:32 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 03:06:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6C30A1A5-00C3-495C-9761-F79C7E2DCE8C@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.121 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Who wants to listen to static in stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=zcQKFbg4jJZ2jhlmq_li4FvM3QKGd2RroAQLJLtVN69rGqtReg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner =20 wrote: > > It's why Armstrong invented FM in the first place. >=20 Probably you're right about the FM main first intention. And, THE WAY TO HELL IS PAVED WITH GOOD INTENTIONS!!! Hahahahaha!!! In serious, it's true FM has less background noise but has some=20 artifacts too, specially in stereo. It's very nice when you're walking with your personal stereo,=20 listening your favourite FM stereo station, and from time to time=20 (aprox. 3-4 meters) you hear that delicious and emetic stereo mess=20 and full noise due to the multipath signals interaction!!! My humble opinion is: MOST PEOPLE ONLY WANTS MUSIC, STRONG MUSIC,=20 DANCING MUSIC, AMUSING MUSIC, NOT QUALITY. So, the noise, the stereo separation, the bandwidth, etc. etc....=20 it's just a minor problem. We did a survey years ago with three recordings of three different=20 songs: 1) A classical piece (Beethoven's 5th symphony), Stereophonic sound,=20 15 kHz bandwidth, no backgound noise. 2) A tropical "cumbia", Monophonic sound, 10 kHz bandwidth and a lot=20 of intentional background noise. 3) A Beatles song (Nowhere man), Stereophonic sound, 15 kHz=20 bandwidth, but the typical FM treble overmodulation (too much 75=20 microsec preemphasis). The results were: 75% of people said the best was the "cumbia" recording (monophonic,=20 15 kHz and a lot of noise). 20% of people preferred the Beatles song. ALL of people said the classical piece was the worst. In that year I thought, and I think it even today, people weren't=20 interesting in the sound technical quality: THEY ONLY WANT SOME=20 FUN!!! Our AM station trasmit a full dancing (mostly tropical) music format=20 every Saturday night. Trust me: IS THE PEAK OF RATING IN TOWN!!! But, in my city there is an FM station with a very, very, very good=20 quality sound. It isn't one of our company station but it's my=20 favourite station because they transmit "beautiful" music. But I=20 assure you nobody listen that station at Saturday nights!!! So, I insist: people wants fun, dance, amusing music, despite of=20 quality. AM STEREO IT'S A VERY, VERY, VERY, GOOD MEDIA TO GIVE THE PEOPLE=20 WHAT THE PEOPLE WANTS: "A LOT OF FUN". We only need AM STEREO station owners who really wants to do it. Where are those enthusiastics? GOD BLESS THE AM STEREO FOREVER!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Jan 19 19:17:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68007 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2007 03:17:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2007 03:17:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.135) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2007 03:17:12 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2007 03:17:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2007 03:17:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2007 03:17:05 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 03:17:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.121 From: "jotape1960" Subject: A little help, please X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=XzxaCbFUVcSlgnCfo60KBciP3HLQEonknvs3asxZe51Nlmg0Xg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI GANG!!! If somebody can help me, please: I have to fix some typical problems in an old Cassette/CD/Radio=20 equipment from a friend. The device has a digital display tuner and=20 a very nice wide audio bandwidth in AM but... I found a good=20 problem: THE AM SECTION HAS 9 KHZ TUNING STEPS and I can't find a=20 switch to change it (In Chile we used 10 kHz steps). The model is: PANASONIC RX-DS5 and the digital tuner section ICs=20 are: LC72131 and TA2000AN. Does somebody have some idea about how to change the tuning steps=20 from 9 to 10 kHz? Thank you very much for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jimmyyearwood@hotmail.com Sat Jan 20 13:25:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimmyyearwood@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90493 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2007 21:25:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m39a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2007 21:25:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.218) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2007 21:25:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2007 21:24:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2007 21:24:57 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:24:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.218 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.226.164 From: "jimmyyearwood" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Who wants to listen to static in stereo?/MOST PEOPLE ONLY WANTS MUSIC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226592358; y=d059iM1A6P1XxMADCFf_DymKG3PrEbC-KFEqtH1ToAaFq-zg7WGP0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jimmyyearwood --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner =20 > wrote: > > > > It's why Armstrong invented FM in the first place. > >=20 >=20 MOST PEOPLE ONLY WANTS MUSIC, STRONG MUSIC,=20 > DANCING MUSIC, AMUSING MUSIC, NOT QUALITY. Sorry to go off topic..but... Man ain't that the truth! One listen to an MP3 file and that's=20 obvious. When it comes to recorded music I am starting to think there=20 has been serious hearing loss over the past few years. Look at=20 today's junk stereo gear too. I think you have a very valid point=20 there indeed. It seems to me that most folks could care less about=20 quality sound. I still sometimes listen to 8-tracks..yes, really..so I guess you=20 could count me in too..but even those don't sound as bad as a lot of=20 the digital junk today..to me at least. From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Jan 20 15:45:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97814 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2007 23:44:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2007 23:44:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao09.cox.net) (68.230.241.30) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2007 23:44:21 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20070120234356.RCGX18767.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:43:56 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id Dbj01W00V2DrW980000000; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:43:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 15:43:54 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Who wants to listen to static in stereo?/MOST PEOPLE ONLY WANTS MUSIC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=6fSj2CtKujY5afSFIyMFxrnHC6z2NCVhPc-MupssLIBJqOCauqV1-2R4vvdd X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 8-Track tapes played at 3-3/4 ips. A very good speed for fidelity. A good loop tape, such as in 8-track, allowed for very good sound. Unfortunately, many were made with cheap tape and cheap cases. On Jan 20, 2007, at 1:24 PM, jimmyyearwood wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" > wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > > wrote: > > > > > > It's why Armstrong invented FM in the first place. > > > > > > MOST PEOPLE ONLY WANTS MUSIC, STRONG MUSIC, > > DANCING MUSIC, AMUSING MUSIC, NOT QUALITY. > > Sorry to go off topic..but... > > Man ain't that the truth! One listen to an MP3 file and that's > obvious. When it comes to recorded music I am starting to think there > has been serious hearing loss over the past few years. Look at > today's junk stereo gear too. I think you have a very valid point > there indeed. It seems to me that most folks could care less about > quality sound. > > I still sometimes listen to 8-tracks..yes, really..so I guess you > could count me in too..but even those don't sound as bad as a lot of > the digital junk today..to me at least. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jan 20 19:23:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72917 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2007 03:23:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m39a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2007 03:23:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.114) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2007 03:23:19 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2007 03:22:04 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2007 03:22:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2007 03:22:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 03:22:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.239.239.191 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Music on 1340 WHAT in Philly X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=FZI3NJrJv1AGMqxDe2YhwWnyvaCABKSH8rTDC-0z7SxZD_To6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The legendary WHAT on 1340 kHz in Philadelphia, PA is now airing a=20 music format called "Skin Radio", featuring Alternative Rock,=20 Hip-Hop, and Reggae music. The new owners of WHAT say the new format=20 will have "lots of musical diversity and experimentation with the=20 medium -- local bands and lots of local poets. [It will be] produced=20 by young, non-radio folks given lots of creative freedom." Although the format might not be your cup of tea, it is good to see a=20 small AM station in a big city trying to appeal to a new generation=20 of radio listeners. WHAT's web site is www.skinradio.com and they=20 stream their audio online. From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Jan 20 19:44:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78770 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2007 03:43:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2007 03:43:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao12.cox.net) (68.230.241.27) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2007 03:43:28 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao12.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20070121034326.METZ19398.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:43:26 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id DfiX1W00H2DrW980000000; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:42:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <8CEDA2B5-B53C-4F65-B080-981809C77599@cox.net> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:43:25 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music on 1340 WHAT in Philly X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=8zIXeiZRUg3OJbSqDXAjRDLTHyRcYZ6r6WFH-3NXNaxmR7W2wpxHk4HMLjRu X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any time music is on AM, I like it ... even if I don't like the music. On Jan 20, 2007, at 7:22 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > The legendary WHAT on 1340 kHz in Philadelphia, PA is now airing a > music format called "Skin Radio", featuring Alternative Rock, > Hip-Hop, and Reggae music. The new owners of WHAT say the new format > will have "lots of musical diversity and experimentation with the > medium -- local bands and lots of local poets. [It will be] produced > by young, non-radio folks given lots of creative freedom." > > Although the format might not be your cup of tea, it is good to see a > small AM station in a big city trying to appeal to a new generation > of radio listeners. WHAT's web site is www.skinradio.com and they > stream their audio online. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Jan 22 05:43:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71448 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2007 13:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2007 13:35:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s24.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.96) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2007 13:35:52 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.86]) by bay0-omc1-s24.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 05:35:27 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 05:35:27 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:35:23 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:35:23 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2007 13:35:27.0265 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D48E910:01C73E2A] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.96 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: A question on the Radio Shack Accurian HD radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=rQWQM3403xjrNRXT9Jxv7pokESZ3jPLAWvjGrLG-tW_sTpGkspPGJnSmF68 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Have a question for the technical people on the list. Has anyone opened up the Radio Shack Accurian radio? If so, do you think it's possible to change the am band spacing from 10 kilocycles to 9 kilocycles? I have looked through the manual on the PDF file and there is no mention of a switch to do this and of course, since IBOC is limited to the U.S. and not Europe,I can understand that... but was curious if people on the list from Europe or Australia or New Zealand can use this radio for it's C-Quam capability. Donn btw- Sotoris in Athens, I have sent you some emails off list. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Jan 23 15:24:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19547 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2007 23:24:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m41a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2007 23:24:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.138) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2007 23:24:30 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.88]) by bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:21:00 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:21:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:20:58 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:20:58 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2007 23:21:00.0125 (UTC) FILETIME=[2483A8D0:01C73F45] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Tornoto Radio Legend Dies (published in Toronto Star, 23 Jan 2007) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=Q7tX69hEC3xM5tZdElwExG2dMzZP8rgC0x4aCsZyzjYUf-m7nfCh6bE_9tg X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Broadcaster John Majhor, a staple of Toronto radio and TV in the 1970s and ’80s, has died at the age of 53. Majhor died of cancer this morning at his home in Minnesota. He started at Toronto radio station 1050 CHUM in 1975 and was later a familiar face on Citytv. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue Jan 23 17:35:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66384 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2007 01:32:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2007 01:32:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2007 01:32:11 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.18]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 145524389 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:27:47 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c73f57$8b21c7e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:32:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 4, in=5, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.18 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music on 1340 WHAT in Philly X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=ep_9jYNavXZt-nvDKTJfD0FsIq9dY98Pc85BwhM_vww74KEePRth X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I take it by your lack of mention about anything stereo that they're mono? But what they're doing is not unlike the early days of free-form rock on the then-under appreciated FM band. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > The legendary WHAT on 1340 kHz in Philadelphia, PA is now airing a > music format called "Skin Radio", featuring Alternative Rock, > Hip-Hop, and Reggae music. The new owners of WHAT say the new format > will have "lots of musical diversity and experimentation with the > medium -- local bands and lots of local poets. [It will be] produced > by young, non-radio folks given lots of creative freedom." > > Although the format might not be your cup of tea, it is good to see a > small AM station in a big city trying to appeal to a new generation > of radio listeners. WHAT's web site is www.skinradio.com and they > stream their audio online. > > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue Jan 23 17:52:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81075 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2007 01:46:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2007 01:46:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2007 01:46:37 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.18]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 147042523 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:46:24 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <006301c73f5a$2530a520$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:51:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 4, in=4, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.18 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Who wants to listen to static in stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=0B_vlOr8D41asIUs0zXAcmSLX2PKv9FO_RCfGEhzLt5puCS_T5vZ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" My humble opinion is: MOST PEOPLE ONLY WANTS MUSIC, STRONG MUSIC, DANCING MUSIC, AMUSING MUSIC, NOT QUALITY. That seems to be a universal problem. How do you make people want quality when they're more interested in how the music makes them feel? You often see this in women- you wonder why they go out with a particular guy who doesn't seem all that remarkable. But perhaps he's learned something to make the woman feel attraction. We did a survey years ago with three recordings of three different songs: 1) A classical piece (Beethoven's 5th symphony), Stereophonic sound, 15 kHz bandwidth, no backgound noise. 2) A tropical "cumbia", Monophonic sound, 10 kHz bandwidth and a lot of intentional background noise. 3) A Beatles song (Nowhere man), Stereophonic sound, 15 kHz bandwidth, but the typical FM treble overmodulation (too much 75 microsec preemphasis). The results were: 75% of people said the best was the "cumbia" recording (monophonic, 15 kHz and a lot of noise). 20% of people preferred the Beatles song. ALL of people said the classical piece was the worst. Cumbia is the scourge of latin music. Much prefer ranchera and norteña. As for the classical piece, perhaps they should have played Pachelbel's Canon in D. It's sort of a current popular classic. Beethoven's music tends to be a bit dissonant at times. In that year I thought, and I think it even today, people weren't interesting in the sound technical quality: THEY ONLY WANT SOME FUN!!! In the old video tape standards wars, VHS won out over the superior Beta because it allowed longer record times. Quality doesn't always win. AM STEREO IT'S A VERY, VERY, VERY, GOOD MEDIA TO GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THE PEOPLE WANTS: "A LOT OF FUN". We only need AM STEREO station owners who really wants to do it. Where are those enthusiastics? If I could ever get the hang of internet marketing, I'd buy a few stations myself and do it. Some of those guys rake in millions a year. Scott Todd From robd@wi.rr.com Wed Jan 24 17:04:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: robd@wi.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39725 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2007 00:55:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2007 00:55:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.130) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2007 00:55:30 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2007 00:55:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2007 00:55:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2007 00:55:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:55:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.211.15.16 From: "robd53154" Subject: ma-1 Be X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81604182; y=sFY020cLxsx1ROcpq2sttjcRPDAtApt9ZScOos1Lvubinx7u X-Yahoo-Profile: robd53154 Got a BE MA-1 is that the same as a motorola mod monitor <1300>? do the=20 swtich setttings match? The board is a 27m3 REVe From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Jan 25 21:52:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52193 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2007 22:54:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2007 22:54:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.246) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2007 22:54:21 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2007 22:54:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2007 22:54:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:54:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.96.2.19 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Accurian update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613; y=z_ngEHe-hZsH7BxsOdDSdynC3Xxv3thfFYJQLLyOCsWcWYzEM2dxGO_u X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Hi Folks- I have been away a while, and just now read some of the past=20 comments about the RS Accurian radio. I would not have even known about=20 it at all if Alex K had not emailed me yesterday about these radios. I=20 went and picked one up today, and here are my findings: This was the first time I have ever heard HD radio ever- The first=20 station I was able to get was WOR, and when it kicked into HD, the=20 sound was simply amazing- Congrats Tom! Next, WFAN- OK, but very=20 artificial sound, like a bad MP3 player. WCBS 880 is supposed to be HD,=20 and are the strongest in my area, but no HD today there, altho' the=20 signal was great. I live 90 miles NW of NYC so it was tricky to get ANY=20 HD signal at all- but with careful tuning and a Select-a-Tenna, I=20 pulled it off. One wierd thing- it has a constant whistle, like an old=20 TV set is on in the house nearby. This goes away after it locks into=20 HD. I only heard this on WOR. Drop out is a big problem for me being so=20 far away, this may be it. On analog B'casts, there is a lot of flutter=20 and picket fencing- on AM! It does decode real am stereo- I was more=20 happy to see that, but I jhave to get inside to try to tweak it to=20 open up the analog bandwidth, and also to see about changing it to 9Khz=20 stepping. Oh- I could not get any FM HD at all. Chris From droland66@yahoo.com Fri Jan 26 22:44:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48554 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2007 06:44:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2007 06:44:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.216) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2007 06:44:59 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2007 06:44:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2007 06:44:52 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 06:44:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.62.179.16 From: "david roland" Subject: Re: Early Bell Labs Stereo Recordings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=CP8m1K6AWiqL84DzCO4LW2BmkKpZEkw9z-VTOm60w2FJxCFJ X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 Amy - I think you may be one of the most intelligent people I have=20 ever encountered on any internet forum. You possess (and share) a=20 pleasant wealth of interesting audio trivia. Thank you so much for=20 the breath of fresh air you bring to this group. David --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 > wrote: > > > > (snip) > >=20 > > HI GANG!!! > >=20 > > Another commercial issue: Why don't the record "makers" have=20 remake=20 > > ALL the old, but very good, material like the Amy's list? >=20 > For quite a few reasons, actually. >=20 > Motion picture multitrack elements: Whhile most movie stereos=20 made=20 > them, relatively few survive, the majority of which are from MGM,=20 > because they transferred quite a number of them to tape in the=20 early=20 > 1950s. >=20 > Nazi-era German stereo tape recordings: Only something like 6=20 > recordings survive- 5 of them are short pieces/excerpts, with only=20 > the Emperor Concerto being the only complete performance to=20 survive.=20 > The rest were wiped over and rerecorded over by both the Nazis and=20 > Allied forces. There was an estimated 200 recordings from 1942- 1945.=20 > Although these were Nazi recordings, they certainly were a=20 tremendous=20 > loss, especially if the Emperor Concerto recording was any=20 indication! >=20 > Dual-disc multi-mic recording pairings: These platters, mostly=20 from=20 > 1928-1938, still exist, especially in the Columbia Records vaults.=20 > (RCA did the same- I don't know about other lavels.) The problem=20 is,=20 > no-one wants to spend the resources to match and resync these=20 > platters, as it's thought the cost of same would be greater than=20 the=20 > possible sales. The Duke Ellington recordings were a fluked, as=20 it=20 > was a pair of record collectors who found two different pressings=20 > each for two long-play (16" 78rpm) medleys- I personally think=20 these=20 > are the best of the Duke's recordings (I'm not a fan of Ellington,=20 > though I love early jazz of the Depression era), as these capture=20 the=20 > pure fire of Ellington's Cotton Club days- Truly capturinng the=20 best=20 > of post-Dixieland jazz. >=20 > It should be noted tyhat the earliest deliberately-recorded stereo=20 > recordings were a set of experimental dual-groove cylinders that=20 > Thomas Edison did around the time of his own talking-movie=20 > experiments in the mid 1910s. These have never been remastered for=20 > commercial issue as far as I know, but the Edison National=20 Historic=20 > Site has posession of these, and many other recordings and=20 artifacts=20 > of Edison's experiments and commercial projects. Because of the=20 odd=20 > way Edison insisted on mass-producing cylinders- 10-25 horns per=20 > session, with each song recorded repeatedly until they have enough=20 to=20 > sell- it means no two cylinders are alike, although if one found=20 > cylinders from the exact same session, it might be possible to=20 resync=20 > the cylinders for stereo sound. The problem is, since these were=20 wax,=20 > not many survive, making such pairings incredibly rare. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jan 27 06:13:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66083 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2007 14:13:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2007 14:13:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.216) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2007 14:13:55 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2007 14:12:40 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2007 14:12:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2007 14:12:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:12:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.3.22 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Early Bell Labs Stereo Recordings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=4Bt8wi5IMbIio2RmwUYU1H2iwDJ4VgtlZV3_ESiOubND2tix X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "david roland" wrote: > > Amy - I think you may be one of the most intelligent people I have=20 > ever encountered on any internet forum. You possess (and share) a=20 > pleasant wealth of interesting audio trivia. Thank you so much for=20 > the breath of fresh air you bring to this group. Thank you, but I think there are better people out there than me. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Jan 27 08:09:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83412 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2007 16:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2007 16:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s35.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.235) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2007 16:09:36 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.87]) by bay0-omc3-s35.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 08:08:24 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 08:08:24 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:08:22 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:08:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jan 2007 16:08:24.0118 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F2E4D60:01C7422D] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.235 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Early Bell Labs Stereo Recordings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=ppuM3l3_EnsWjxN72EGrX5Ow5UBiCi0eTyfAdaoc9_33s3fwvjadArQao94 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Better people, maybe, but not likely........ But better mice? No way! ------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Amy Mousie" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Early Bell Labs Stereo Recordings Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:12:39 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "david roland" wrote: > >Amy - I think you may be one of the most intelligent people I have ever >encountered on any internet forum. You possess (and share) a pleasant >wealth of interesting audio trivia. Thank you so much for the breath of >fresh air you bring to this group. Thank you, but I think there are better people out there than me. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jan 27 20:38:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64976 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2007 04:38:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m38a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2007 04:38:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.163) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2007 04:38:21 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n6.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2007 04:38:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2007 04:38:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2007 04:38:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 04:38:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.3.22 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Early Bell Labs Stereo Recordings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=J1WERo0PkwNiUGznrcSi-BPIKWU6INb_jqfgm7bb-jhkt2ct X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman" wrote: > > Better people, maybe, but not likely........ >=20 > But better mice? No way! :) It's all because these are things I've been fascinated with. :) Particularly with the advent of the first commercial stereo tape deck (1951), first commercially-available stereo recordings (1953 on tape in the US; 1945 on records by Decca UK- 12 years before the RIAA-approved stereo record was introduced), the subsequent Crosby FM and Kahn AM experiments..... You get the point... :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Jan 28 01:56:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39664 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2007 13:40:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2007 13:40:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2007 13:40:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 90443 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jan 2007 13:40:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ckTxhmcVM1mNnhQiS6joh.vqw_MgUiiNRVeY5ceFgTZ8LRuLmBkiVpQbdgd_1d6VsYroCZflFFA3Y1nEpTt9i1A9anDh1cVVHJFRslrc4gau2Z8- Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 05:40:08 PST Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 05:40:08 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <699024.90158.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re:Accurian update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=gNps9Xom_KmwylbVAvZ_WIOMPTijIL3LLfusfIxgB0wEz_uUmcRlFsY X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio CCuff wrote: "...comments about the RS Accurian radio...." I played with one at RatShack yesterday, and it is weird, the AM DSP pumps and 'picket-fences' on AM just like Chris said. It is deaf as a doornail on FM with just the wire antenna, and was only 'clock radio' sensitivity - very, very disappointing there. It could not lock on the HD FM stations inside the store with the FM wire antenna, including a 50KW FM. I'm going back and see if a different employee will let me move it by the window and/or put a half way decent antenna on it, otherwise these will be on clearance by fall with the crap reception inside the store unable to get even one of five local FM HD stations or WJR/WWJ/WFDF's 50KW AM crud from Detroit. RS really should start selling the Select-O-Tenna clones again, just for this radio - iBiquity should insist on it! ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Jan 28 02:32:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33678 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2007 10:32:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2007 10:32:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao04.cox.net) (68.230.241.35) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2007 10:32:13 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20070128103115.YOWK20530.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 05:31:15 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id GaXZ1W00c2DrW980000000; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 05:31:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <699024.90158.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <699024.90158.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 02:31:14 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:Accurian update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=D5KkiWEOJuqIvAkZ1A-sDvOoSmrXhmsNtdAflK46_Fi70l3K2y95eWlYuZSN X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In real-life situations, the reception is pretty good. Richard On Jan 26, 2007, at 5:40 AM, John P. wrote: > CCuff wrote: "...comments about the RS Accurian radio...." > > I played with one at RatShack yesterday, and it is weird, the AM DSP > pumps and 'picket-fences' on AM just like Chris said. It is deaf as a > doornail on FM with just the wire antenna, and was only 'clock radio' > sensitivity - very, very disappointing there. It could not lock on the > HD FM stations inside the store with the FM wire antenna, including a > 50KW FM. I'm going back and see if a different employee will let me > move it by the window and/or put a half way decent antenna on it, > otherwise these will be on clearance by fall with the crap reception > inside the store unable to get even one of five local FM HD > stations or > WJR/WWJ/WFDF's 50KW AM crud from Detroit. RS really should start > selling the Select-O-Tenna clones again, just for this radio - > iBiquity > should insist on it! > > __________________________________________________________ > The fish are biting. > Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. > http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jan 28 13:26:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36301 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2007 21:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2007 21:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51610.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.215) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2007 21:26:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 4857 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jan 2007 21:24:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: qBpZ47oVM1mLH0.EgA0n18rTnq.quaex73tjomClt62aMJyaZ5tcmWZ3k2Nq_OrSwrgqDwuApBoxmwAayjUUwynyKFLXXHUntVwxetXcwHDojML80k7HZ4A6Qce0e2afcMX_MlwW4yHyzg-- Received: from [68.239.239.191] by web51610.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:24:52 PST Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:24:52 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <448029.3134.qm@web51610.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kevin Tekel Subject: Fwd: {AMSF} Music on AM dial in Monterey Bay, CA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=CZ_OPdsPEGFgV-jNiGJYRtMfDkG3vPmzYHLah1-7B1kkEdFnGQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- jayjarnold wrote: > Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:23:48 -0000 > From: "jayjarnold" > To: amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Music on AM dial in Monterey Bay, CA > > On 1/25/07, KOMY 1340 (Monterey Bay area) changed format > from progressive-talk to 50s/60s/70s oldies... > KOMY was Top-40 in the 60s before languishing in the early > 1980s... > No word on whether it's going AM stereo yet, however... > > Audio feed: > < http://newksco.got.net:9020 > > > Website: > < http://www.komyradio.com > > --jay > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ It's here! 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Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Jan 28 13:40:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6752 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2007 21:40:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2007 21:40:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (71.246.190.195) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2007 21:40:06 -0000 Received: from Chris (unverified [207.96.2.138]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.4.543.15) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:38:01 -0500 X-Modus-BlackList: ccuff@in4web.com=OK X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Message-ID: <000e01c74324$635f6bb0$8a0260cf@Chris> To: References: <699024.90158.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:36:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 71.246.190.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:Accurian update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613; y=ZU7WMlMpwMRao-fwbXGqrXLZsViZCRBdf3yVBeSuaUT05kiZTHlpFWgL X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, mine is Now going back- It is not right at all. It whistles like crazy then as it is about to lock into HD, it starts motorboating then freezes up. I have to unplug it to reset it. It is also totally deaf without the select-a-tenna (a 40 year old 6 transistor radio runs circles around this thing's sensitivity) I have not heard any FM yet in HD. A lot of the Hudson Valley's stations have gone country now, but I see no station upgrades. The Accurian is like so many other RS products- good idea, bad performance. Has anyone tried the Sangean Tuner yet? Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Jan 28 14:26:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53323 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2007 13:44:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2007 13:44:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2007 13:44:28 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.63]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 147627761 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 07:29:22 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <007201c7414e$b146a500$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 07:34:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 9, in=19, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.220.63 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} ma-1 Be X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=15YvJ5cI2QdlSkkkebqaAr07RXFbI1vdNxQYQYB00cO5t2rSkNdw X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'd have to see a picture of it to tell, but I do have one of their later units and can tell you it doesn't seem to be a copy. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "robd53154" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 6:55 PM Subject: {AMSF} ma-1 Be > Got a BE MA-1 is that the same as a motorola mod monitor <1300>? do the > swtich setttings match? The board is a 27m3 REVe > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Jan 28 14:48:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51630 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2007 22:48:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2007 22:48:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao08.cox.net) (68.230.241.31) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2007 22:48:12 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20070128224808.GOTN16632.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:48:08 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id Gmn91W0142DrW980000000; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:47:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: <000e01c74324$635f6bb0$8a0260cf@Chris> References: <699024.90158.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000e01c74324$635f6bb0$8a0260cf@Chris> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:48:06 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:Accurian update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=tTcPbS1HTq0tD2R4KgA96sE7XYy3nuC-_PKprMrVM3_Jz5Nm1mMctMV7s1E5 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My Accurian does lock sometimes when going into AM HD; for some reason it never seems to do it if I lock an FM HD signal first. Reception is actually quite good. I've gotten HD lock from San Diego (in southern Los Angeles County), and FM HD seems to receive every station fine. Analog AM at night is also quite nice, with San Francisco coming in as good as any other radio I've used. The Accurian even picks up AM stations decently (analog) with no antenna attached. I am not as impressed with the Sangean HDT-1, at least so far. You can't be anywhere near my plasma tv and still get AM HD, or AM at all. Now keep in mind I have a similar problem with regular AM on my Carver tuner, but I am usually able to move the antenna around and get it OK. Can't do that with the Sangean unless I have the loop only connected to one of the two AM antenna terminals, and then the signal isn't strong enough for HD lock even when the TV is off. On a sound test, my wife picked the Carver over the HD on FM every time. And i mean EVERY time. Don't know if that is tuner characteristics (the Sangean's frequency response is known to boost some mid frequencies) or the processing of the HD signal at the stations. I am probably being harder on the Sangean than the Accurian in sound, as the Accurian is intended to be used in another room as a table radio while the Sangean is intended to replace the Carver (tx-11b) in my main stereo system. As of right now I am leaning toward returning the Sangean and waiting for the next model. Richard On Jan 28, 2007, at 1:36 PM, Chris Cuff wrote: > Well, mine is Now going back- It is not right at all. It whistles > like crazy then as it is about to lock into HD, it starts > motorboating then freezes up. I have to unplug it to reset it. It > is also totally deaf without the select-a-tenna (a 40 year old 6 > transistor radio runs circles around this thing's sensitivity) I > have not heard any FM yet in HD. A lot of the Hudson Valley's > stations have gone country now, but I see no station upgrades. > The Accurian is like so many other RS products- good idea, bad > performance. Has anyone tried the Sangean Tuner yet? > Chris > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Jan 28 18:16:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35887 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2007 02:15:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2007 02:15:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.105) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2007 02:15:09 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n10.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2007 02:14:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2007 02:14:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2007 02:14:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 02:14:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006301c73f5a$2530a520$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.105 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.116 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Who wants to listen to static in stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=WazVlm_y5ZRJFPJimfWdCb6EV93m6YB-rXjOgawKJXe4L2gzMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! Thinking about the most important noise source, when we're listening=20 AM stations, was/is/will be the AC power line, I miss all those=20 outstanding vacuum tube radios from the last part of the 1950s and=20 the earlies 1960s (like my old Grundig all-bands/all-modes receiver,=20 with real wood cabinet/furniture). I don't know why but all those=20 old electronic devices had a very good filtered power supply. The=20 today radios have been careless about this point. The best way to listen AM is on the car, because the power comes=20 from the car battery, so it's DC, pure current (not from the AC=20 lines network), although, we must to have a very good engine noise=20 suppressor, of course. If you have a very wide audio bandwidth AM receiver in your car, try=20 to go far away the city, day or night, and tune an strong power=20 music format station. IT'S THE BEST EXPERIENCE!!! No distortion due=20 to the pre-emphasis, no problems with the pilot tone and, if you are=20 parking in a free noise source place (far away of the High Voltage=20 AC power lines), you will be able to listen a nearly free-noise=20 reception. LONG LIFE TO THE AM, BETTER IF IT IS AM STEREO!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Jan 29 14:52:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5853 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2007 21:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2007 21:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s23.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.95) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2007 21:53:20 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.113]) by bay0-omc1-s23.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:52:29 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:52:29 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:52:25 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:52:25 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2007 21:52:29.0154 (UTC) FILETIME=[462B0C20:01C74194] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.95 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Accurian update(Thanks Chris) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=-1iBy9dzpSpuPzX4WK-7myprChW071p-l98FN6cpy8OLfy3lRphl3iW5mX0 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Thanks Chris for the review of the RS Accurian radio. I picked a Radio Shack to go to that is about 3 miles from an 100,000 watt HD station, and in the Radio Shack, they had placed the HD radio next to the outside window, the best possible place it could have been placed inside the store and still it did not decode any FM station to IBOC, I figured it would at least decode the one fm station that was so close, but it didn't. Interesting enough I didn't see where to switch bands, so that I could test the AM, I did ask the clerk. (what was I thinking??? thinking the clerk at a Radio Shack would know something about one of the few radios they sell,..... but I did get a befuddled look from the clerk!) I think for the IBOC to take off, the next generation of IBOC radios will need better sensitivity or built in antennas (since the average listener doesn't want to be bothered with buying and connecting a better antenna to help the reception.) Donn, St. Petersburg From: "Chris Cuff" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Accurian update Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:54:14 -0000 Hi Folks- I have been away a while, and just now read some of the past comments about the RS Accurian radio. I would not have even known about it at all if Alex K had not emailed me yesterday about these radios. I went and picked one up today, and here are my findings: This was the first time I have ever heard HD radio ever- The first station I was able to get was WOR, and when it kicked into HD, the sound was simply amazing- Congrats Tom! Next, WFAN- OK, but very artificial sound, like a bad MP3 player. WCBS 880 is supposed to be HD, and are the strongest in my area, but no HD today there, altho' the signal was great. I live 90 miles NW of NYC so it was tricky to get ANY HD signal at all- but with careful tuning and a Select-a-Tenna, I pulled it off. One wierd thing- it has a constant whistle, like an old TV set is on in the house nearby. This goes away after it locks into HD. I only heard this on WOR. Drop out is a big problem for me being so far away, this may be it. On analog B'casts, there is a lot of flutter and picket fencing- on AM! It does decode real am stereo- I was more happy to see that, but I jhave to get inside to try to tweak it to open up the analog bandwidth, and also to see about changing it to 9Khz stepping. Oh- I could not get any FM HD at all. Chris From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Jan 29 15:14:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11372 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2007 23:14:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2007 23:14:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (71.246.190.195) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2007 23:14:04 -0000 Received: from Chris (unverified [207.96.2.195]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.4.543.15) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:12:38 -0500 X-Modus-BlackList: ccuff@in4web.com=OK X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Message-ID: <000e01c743fa$c3a45400$c30260cf@Chris> To: References: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:11:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 71.246.190.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Accurian update(Thanks Chris) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613; y=c8b5GfYsb5qwt1nMQ6TFaISyVmz4XmtywZBoFPWb86ay8EvvePt8hZLQ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Exactly Don- When I think back to the early 80's and AM stereo, there was not much trouble finding and hearing it- I cannot imagine what the problem is in designing a radio that can decode HD properly- I will say that when I can get the Accurian to switch into HD on WOR, the sound quality is amazingly good. Another problem here is that ANY static,no matter how slight, will cause the radio to stay in non-HD mode. There are so many causes of static fromthe furnace motor, microprocessors in about every item in the house, etc, that to get a reliable HD signal, you have to be on bbattery power outdoors away from anything that produces even the smallest bit of static. The whole thing is a dismal failure at this point. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Donn Tillman To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 29 16:15:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44408 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2007 00:15:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2007 00:15:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2007 00:15:14 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n10.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2007 00:15:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2007 00:15:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2007 00:15:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 00:15:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000e01c743fa$c3a45400$c30260cf@Chris> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.36.160 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Accurian update(Thanks Chris) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=6vECsGqSzWFu-GfGZKVrpyFJt7RgCJ__6T15r93nRts2dLsY X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie HD Radio is, for all intents and purposes, DOA-- Deaf On Arrival. This was NEVER an issue when AM stereo was introduced on the market just a year out from the open-marketplace decision in 1982, as anyone with an SRF-A1 or -A100- the first commercially-available AMS radios- knows. :) And stations, thnere were perhaps as many, but with the way AM behaves, there was no shortage of stations to receive- At one time, I logged 56 stations on the dial! :D Even though AMS was poorly adopted by the public (I almost said "received", but I figured others would misinterpret it), there were no shortage of stations or receivers until C-QUAM was finally ruled to be the standard. Performance was generally quite good, with only a few turkeys in the bunch. All in all, AMS was usable and transparent to the non-stereo listener- It never caused problems. HD suffers from the exact opposite- There are only a few, rather cruddy HD receivers, and the few that also interpret AMS in stereo do so rather lousily. It's a bad sign to deliver deaf receivers, because it's going to be as much a turn-off as the noise the stations generate. The only plus would be the secondary HD channels on FM- IF you can get a signal! All in all, HD is proving to be a terrible investment, and looks to cause alot of harm in the broadcasting industry. (The receiver industry only has a minimal investment so far- Mostly R&D and a small number of commercially-available receivers. The sadder thing is, I don't see any real resurgence of AMS anytime soon, much less being available- Just a quiet renaissance by some stations, with the few ardent project builders and radio scavengers in tow. Because of its proprietary nature, HD will die- No dount of it, now. But AM won't, even if it never returns to the numbers of the glory days...only fewer people will ever know or care, but those of us who do, will, and we WILL be there. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 29 16:34:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6193 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2007 00:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2007 00:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.164) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2007 00:25:44 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n6.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2007 00:24:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2007 00:24:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2007 00:24:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 00:24:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.36.160 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Accurian update(Thanks Chris) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=h6kqTXzMKLk6chX8gkYf2HgG2uEZlM39UzW6Bk-OXnIhM_px X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: [snip] Just to add... First impressions are VERY important when selling people on an idea or product. If you have a new showpiece product you want to use to sell to potential customers, you DO NOT put out a product that doesn't work reasonably well enough to satisfy John Q. Piblic, or John Q. Public will say it's not for him. This is the case with HD radio. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Jan 29 16:50:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51203 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2007 00:50:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m38a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2007 00:50:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.161) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2007 00:50:03 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.84]) by bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:49:59 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:49:59 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 00:49:54 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 00:49:54 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2007 00:49:59.0509 (UTC) FILETIME=[91838050:01C74408] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Accurian update(Thanks Chris) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=cag2b2FiwfOdvyqlFkUT27YSdyy9Q6ig19vn4xmyj5oUeC9naf2VPle494g X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo You're right, first impressions are important in retailing and even if the next generation of IBOC radios correct the problems mentioned in this forum, it will still be a hard sell, if Radio Shack and the other retailers selling the IBOC radios don't have clerks that know the product, they're supposed to be promoting. Richard in California is pleased with his Accurian radio, so it sounds as though there may be a quality control issue here, but again, it would be nice if Radio Shacks in this area had clerks that had a minimal knowledge of the product. Getting a dazed or befuddled look from the clerk, when asking a question about the product, is not going to make a good impression with most potential customers. (at least not me, it makes me want to walk, no make that run out of the store as fast as I can!) ----------- Original Mousie-gram ---------------- From: "Amy Mousie" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Accurian update(Thanks Chris) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 00:24:31 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: [snip] Just to add... First impressions are VERY important when selling people on an idea or product. If you have a new showpiece product you want to use to sell to potential customers, you DO NOT put out a product that doesn't work reasonably well enough to satisfy John Q. Piblic, or John Q. Public will say it's not for him. This is the case with HD radio. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith@vfr.net Mon Jan 29 16:53:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12237 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2007 00:53:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2007 00:53:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.133) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2007 00:53:21 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2007 00:51:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2007 00:51:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2007 00:51:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 00:51:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000e01c743fa$c3a45400$c30260cf@Chris> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.22.191.252 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: Accurian update(Thanks Chris) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=ZsaamaaVaGzSzQjTbjTAoYbtKH907Ni_OYnP7akJuakdO6_I0V67wQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > > Exactly Don- When I think back to the early 80's and AM stereo,=20 there was not much trouble finding and hearing it- I cannot imagine=20 what the problem is in designing a radio that can decode HD properly-=20 I will say that when I can get the Accurian to switch into HD on WOR,=20 the sound quality is amazingly good. Another problem here is that ANY=20 static,no matter how slight, will cause the radio to stay in non-HD=20 mode. There are so many causes of static fromthe furnace motor,=20 microprocessors in about every item in the house, etc, that to get a=20 reliable HD signal, you have to be on bbattery power outdoors away=20 from anything that produces even the smallest bit of static. The=20 whole thing is a dismal failure at this point. > Chris > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Donn Tillman=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Gang I am glad to see you back Chris!!!!! That mite be good for=20 analog AM radio given that FCC still has'nt said any thing about=20 night time use of HD AM. That mite be the final nail in the coffin=20 for AM HD. Like i said i still have not herd HD any thing but any=20 thing that puts out that much noise on AM can't be good. Jim Smith From jon@kenneke.com Mon Jan 29 16:57:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon@kenneke.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98289 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2007 00:57:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m40a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2007 00:57:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenneke.com) (65.103.64.194) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2007 00:57:27 -0000 Received: from kenneke.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by kenneke.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l0U0vQF0019803 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:57:26 -0800 Received: from localhost (jon@localhost) by kenneke.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id l0U0vPsG019800 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:57:26 -0800 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:57:25 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.7.4 (kenneke.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:57:26 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: 65.103.64.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: jon Subject: Re: {AMSF} Accurian update(Thanks Chris) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77819664; y=kRktsDh3PdK2YsOPE3hepwM01cwlF5UMOmodQHIqG3gvokZA4w X-Yahoo-Profile: jonkenneke Not that I am an HD supporter, but.... I have an Accurian, and live 75 miles as the crow flies from the nearest HD. I can receive 4 or 5 (depending on weather) FM HD stations using a cheap outdoor 4 element beam at 10 feet above ground. On the other hand, I can receive zero AM AH stations at 75 miles. The analog signals from these stations are strong, but no HD. I kinda like the alternate channels. Jon On Tue, 30 Jan 2007, Donn Tillman wrote: > You're right, first impressions are important in retailing and even if the > next generation of IBOC radios correct the problems mentioned in this forum, > it will still be a hard sell, if Radio Shack and the other retailers selling > the IBOC radios don't have clerks that know the product, they're supposed to > be promoting. > > Richard in California is pleased with his Accurian radio, so it sounds as > though there may be a quality control issue here, but again, it would be > nice if Radio Shacks in this area had clerks that had a minimal knowledge of > the product. > > Getting a dazed or befuddled look from the clerk, when asking a question > about the product, is not going to make a good impression with most > potential customers. (at least not me, it makes me want to walk, no make > that run out of the store as fast as I can!) > ----------- Original Mousie-gram ---------------- > From: "Amy Mousie" > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Accurian update(Thanks Chris) > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 00:24:31 -0000 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > [snip] > > Just to add... First impressions are VERY important when selling > people on an idea or product. If you have a new showpiece product you > want to use to sell to potential customers, you DO NOT put out a > product that doesn't work reasonably well enough to satisfy John Q. > Piblic, or John Q. Public will say it's not for him. > > This is the case with HD radio. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Mon Jan 29 17:00:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45235 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2007 01:00:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2007 01:00:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO act-MTAout4.csiro.au) (150.229.7.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2007 01:00:02 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.56]) by act-MTAout4.csiro.au with ESMTP; 30 Jan 2007 11:59:58 +1100 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.13,254,1167570000"; d="dat'59?scan'59,208,59"; a="138924036:sNHT31670988" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:59:57 +1100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:59:57 +1100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Accurian update(Thanks Chris) Thread-Index: AcdEA7uGhjtQewL4Qh22sL15PWBa3wABQE5q References: To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2007 00:59:57.0877 (UTC) FILETIME=[F62B3650:01C74409] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.7.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Accurian update(Thanks Chris) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=kJ2cqYMzZCizMpg2Gm4KuLfNHwJfySctt85zWE5A_A_D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Amy Mousie > HD Radio is, for all intents and purposes, DOA-- Deaf On Arrival. I enjoyed AMS almost daily in Melbourne for 21 years (1985 to 2005). It was somewhat like living in a secret society as nobody seemed to know it existed - even pretty much those who worked in retail outlets. The best part was finding the AMS lists in 2000 and being able to share in the fight to keep it going. It's almost dead in the water here now and I'm looking forward to DAB in 2009. At least with the Accurian radio (if it gets its act together) there's a chance that AMS may survive in the US. I hope so. I miss it dreadfully. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Jan 29 17:31:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72335 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2007 01:31:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2007 01:31:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao03.cox.net) (68.230.241.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2007 01:31:38 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20070130013131.MXYT29122.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:31:31 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id HDWY1W00N2DrW980000000; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:30:33 -0500 In-Reply-To: <000e01c743fa$c3a45400$c30260cf@Chris> References: <000e01c743fa$c3a45400$c30260cf@Chris> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <56EC74D2-4FE6-42B1-9A4B-BF94C1FCB18F@cox.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:31:29 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Accurian update(Thanks Chris) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=2DQntJS5eqJT0ydxm5XJuVR_a3o654w8dc0ZSYWQ4G2IGm9dgQ90vLP09ydL X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had that problem with AM stereo ... anything would make it drop the stereo lock on a weaker signal ... but only at home. In the car it was solid. . Go figure. I wonder how well HD works in a car; On Jan 29, 2007, at 3:11 PM, Chris Cuff wrote: > Exactly Don- When I think back to the early 80's and AM stereo, > there was not much trouble finding and hearing it- I cannot imagine > what the problem is in designing a radio that can decode HD > properly- I will say that when I can get the Accurian to switch > into HD on WOR, the sound quality is amazingly good. Another > problem here is that ANY static,no matter how slight, will cause > the radio to stay in non-HD mode. There are so many causes of > static fromthe furnace motor, microprocessors in about every item > in the house, etc, that to get a reliable HD signal, you have to be > on bbattery power outdoors away from anything that produces even > the smallest bit of static. The whole thing is a dismal failure at > this point. > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Donn Tillman > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Jan 29 17:33:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60172 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2007 01:33:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2007 01:33:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao05.cox.net) (68.230.241.34) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2007 01:33:36 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20070130013332.KIHO15640.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:33:32 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id HDYY1W00z2DrW980000000; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:32:33 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <1A36732B-6717-4FD5-AD9C-DA24C7E84EFE@cox.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:33:29 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Accurian update(Thanks Chris) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=qYRslhH_PcUGH9GdYK1cXHX9bpZmZTiMHW3iOM5VgZgrP8Pg2YT_IHY1nJbb X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That was the case with so many narrow bandwidth AM stereo tuners. THey literally killed it before it started. No one cared once they heard the Kraco car stereos, or the little Radio Shack tuner. On Jan 29, 2007, at 4:24 PM, Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > wrote: > > [snip] > > Just to add... First impressions are VERY important when selling > people on an idea or product. If you have a new showpiece product you > want to use to sell to potential customers, you DO NOT put out a > product that doesn't work reasonably well enough to satisfy John Q. > Piblic, or John Q. Public will say it's not for him. > > This is the case with HD radio. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kya1260@lycos.com Mon Jan 29 18:41:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55060 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2007 02:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2007 02:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.59) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2007 02:41:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2007 02:40:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2007 02:40:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 02:40:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.125.53.232 From: "YIPEitsDJJ" Subject: S F Bay Area H D; was Re: {AMSF} Accurian update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=X1OO2v0DqhCdKNNsbEHT3Tg1w_hRYaFZn0jXrhADEc6Hhd2X6w X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ I, too, am not an HD supporter as yet, based on the responses=20 given in prior postings. But Joe Milliken, a friend of mine=20 who has been letting Radio World magazine know of his exploits=20 at the San Francisco Peninsula/San Jose-area sound shops that=20 may be selling HD likes how some of the FM stations sound in H D: However, from what he's told me, it sounds like Bonneville/San=20 Francisco's H D - 2 radio presentation is pretty awful... As has been stated in this forum and at least a few trade=20 magazine editorials, radio programmers MUST make H D - 2=20 (and H D main channels) alluring if people are gonna spend good money on these H D radios - wherever those radios are hiding...=20 In November, Joe spent 199 dollars - before a 25 dollar rebate - on a table-top H D radio at Fry's Electronics.=20 The story Joe gave me on the runaround in getting the radio=20 at Fry's is another story that'll wait for later... Judging from Joe's play-by-play commentary below on=20 K O I T - 2, I d say Bonneville and C B S radio are failing on H D - 2, while Clear Channel is marginally better (based on what someone told me Sacramento-way). On another day last week, Joe mentioned how K O I T - 2 aired a five-song sequence that began and ended with different Rascals tunes, and three songs - all seemingly from 1963 - in between the two Rascals tunes. Ick!... The C B S Radio H D - 2 station that plays country is also weak in rotation of its songs. Takes about two hours before=20 repetition sets in... And those H D promos are being aired to death on San=20 Francisco and Sacramento F M stations.=20 Does this mean the new H D - 2 listeners are supposed to get=20 all excited about these playlists with a two-hour rotation?=20 Below is a synopsis of what Joe received on the H D-2=20 oldies channel from Bonneville. --jay --- JOE MILLIKEN wrote: Jay: Now I know why they called it 'Top 40 Radio.' When you limit your selection to 40 songs, what else could you call it? Major Lance - Um, Um, Um, Um, Um, Um (Friday night, and just now 8:20 P.M.) - Song title screwed up on the R D S=20 as "%$#((D#(#&*&(!@&))#". Murmaids - (Song unknown *) - Friday night, Saturday, Sunday Afternoon and Monday morning.=20 * - Listed as song title on R D S, in fact its "Popsicles & Icicles". Barbara Lewis - Hello Stranger - Great song - four times in four days. Stoned Soul Picnic - Three times in three days - Artist listed as "Mamas & Papas." Ventures - "Artist unknown." 'Instrumental' given as song title, when actually it's "Walk Don't Run." - Three times in as many days. Animals - We Got To Get Out Of This Place - Screwed up R D S - All digits and letters mismash. Song played twice in 48 hours. Dee Clark - Raindrops - Three times, three days. Legal I.D. - almosted missed the T.O.H. window (:58 to :02:59 - I D at 02:19 seconds). Sloppy R D S, limited playlist - no wonder they are commerical free, you cannot listen to this for a long period of time. This is just casual listening, how often do they repeat during the times I cannot listen? It's like having a television station broadcasting in color, and all you run are 'Perry Mason' B & W reruns 24-7. P S - K F R C - 2 (Country) is back up after being down yesterday.=20 --joe From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 29 20:03:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58324 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2007 04:03:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2007 04:03:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.116) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2007 04:03:03 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2007 04:03:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2007 04:03:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2007 04:03:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 04:03:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.116 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.36.160 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Accurian update(Thanks Chris) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=pbhnEvWgY2XRbqzM9rVtMfx_l0KVk9IAg79OtD3wzMLFAWF7 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95663" wrote: > Hi Gang I am glad to see you back Chris!!!!! That mite be good for=20 > analog AM radio given that FCC still has'nt said any thing about=20 > night time use of HD AM. That mite be the final nail in the coffin=20 > for AM HD. Like i said i still have not herd HD any thing but any=20 > thing that puts out that much noise on AM can't be good. Jim Smith No, it leaves the future of the AM band as murky as ever. L( Up here on the Redwood Coast, there are NO local HD signals, AM or FM. But there ARE a few DX HD signals I could try during the sunrise/sunset times....but I'm unsure if I'd want to spend $99+ for one just to test the DX, and the Accurian isn't available in all areas. (Hell, I had the same trouble getting an AM stereo radio, but thanks to an ad in PopComm back in '85, I did get an A100! :) Only that the A100 was much more useful and usable, considering AMS wasn't limited to daytime only, and that the stereo never dropped out on spuriant static! :D ) Now, if someone was interested in dumping, er, "loaning" me one, well.... :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith@vfr.net Mon Jan 29 21:29:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64630 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2007 05:29:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2007 05:29:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.114) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2007 05:29:58 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2007 05:29:58 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2007 05:29:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2007 05:29:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 05:29:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.57.248.65 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: Accurian update(Thanks Chris) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=haU-LZxtkmf1KgefS56a5ff7KicET-KL-eRcH6li1m4FRz5l9y8yTw X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95663" > wrote: >=20 > > Hi Gang I am glad to see you back Chris!!!!! That mite be good=20 for=20 > > analog AM radio given that FCC still has'nt said any thing about=20 > > night time use of HD AM. That mite be the final nail in the=20 coffin=20 > > for AM HD. Like i said i still have not herd HD any thing but any=20 > > thing that puts out that much noise on AM can't be good. Jim Smith >=20 > No, it leaves the future of the AM band as murky as ever. L( >=20 > Up here on the Redwood Coast, there are NO local HD signals, AM or=20 FM. > But there ARE a few DX HD signals I could try during the > sunrise/sunset times....but I'm unsure if I'd want to spend $99+ for > one just to test the DX, and the Accurian isn't available in all > areas. (Hell, I had the same trouble getting an AM stereo radio, but > thanks to an ad in PopComm back in '85, I did get an A100! :) Only > that the A100 was much more useful and usable, considering AMS=20 wasn't > limited to daytime only, and that the stereo never dropped out on > spuriant static! :D ) Now, if someone was interested in dumping, er, > "loaning" me one, well.... :) >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Hi Amy Thats the one thing i do'nt like about HD AM . The noise it=20 makes on AM and thank god its not on at night. I have herd once or=20 twice when KSL AM 1160 sky wave in before dark and i could here the=20 side bands just like the locals i can hear. JS From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Jan 30 05:58:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84348 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2007 13:57:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2007 13:57:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52014.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.97) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2007 13:57:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 45308 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jan 2007 13:57:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ArDma7EVM1mkAIUwZklYQ_cGi5MzQd0eitgzFOvkBoS6zLtHgpgjSH5_tBX9B2b_qsHLBYWoN9GYiI0UDAfaIJTV1.s20w5uhlInkrQII6BHcM0b8JuoeFmnZNasS27B_rrD4arLSjah85s- Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web52014.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 05:57:19 PST Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 05:57:19 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <595653.44769.qm@web52014.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.97 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: OT: 7" singles making a comeback in the U.K. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=9YTGGNNVJEa34CuDpzDLyVXUS2Ad4paVrFOENlybvJqtAR1NmByh X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Why singles are top of the pops again By Chris Hastings, Arts and Media Editor Last Updated: 11:55pm BST 16/09/2006 The music industry is well accustomed to the most unlikely of comebacks, but not even the most far-sighted pop pundit could have predicted the return to popularity of the 7in vinyl single. In the past five years, the number of singles sold has soared six-fold and now exceeds one million for the first time since 1998. The vinyl records department of an HMV store The launch of compact discs and the download market had seemed to sound the death knell for the 45rpm format beloved of older generations, but dozens of leading acts, including Arctic Monkeys, Goldfrapp, Primal Scream, The Kaiser Chiefs and Keane, now insist that their material is released on vinyl — a development that has prompted some music critics to predict that it will be CDs rather than singles which bite the dust. Most remarkably, it is teenagers who are driving the single's resurgence. According to figures from the British Phonographic Industry (BPI), the number of 7in singles sold rose from 178,831 in 2001 to 1,072,608 last year. Gennaro Chastaldo, a spokesman for HMV, the high street music chain, said: "It says something about a band's status if they have a presence on vinyl. These days, if you release material in the form of a seven inch single, you have really made it. "Kids think vinyl is really cool and having a vinyl release is like a badge of honour for a band." advertisementThe return of vinyl, introduced in Britain in 1949, is also influencing the make-up of the Top 40. The Denial Twist, a single by The White Stripes, recently made it into the Top 10 on the back of vinyl sales alone while Arctic Monkeys, currently one of Britain's biggest-selling acts, sell two thirds of their singles on vinyl. Rob Campkin, the head of music at Virgin Retail, said 80 per cent of all releases now included a presence on vinyl with between 20 and 30 singles being stocked in the format by his company every week. "Seven inch vinyl singles are coming into their own because the nature of commercial chart music is changing," he explained. "Indie music has now become mainstream pop and it is dominated by acts who have embraced vinyl. Kids like the artwork you get with a seven inch vinyl cover. They can pin it on their wall." Alex Needham, the deputy editor of NME, said that reports of the vinyl single's demise had been greatly exaggerated. "People have been saying vinyl has been on the way out for the last 25 years but it's still here and still in the shops. "I think people like the physical presence of the seven inch single, the artwork you get with it and even the smell of the vinyl. You don't get these things with digital downloads or even CDs. Something like an MP3 has no tangible form. "The CD single also seems very 1980s. I think people are aware that it is a piece of software for holding information. By contrast, the vinyl single is a design classic. "I think it's very possible that the CD might become obsolete in an age of download music but the vinyl record will survive." Sales of 7 in singles peaked in 1979 when 89 million were sold. This year, 58 million singles are expected to be bought, in all formats including downloads. The renewed love affair with the 7in single means that record shops are now prominently displaying the products again. HMV's store in Oxford Street has given pride of place to vinyl in its singles department. Virgin will also provide more space to vinyl records when it opens a new 25,000sq ft Virgin megastore in Manchester's Arndale shopping centre. The store will have turntables and listening booths of the kind popular in the 1950s. The vinyl revolution has, however, caught some of the big music labels napping and it is the smaller, independent labels who have signed up bands that like to release their music on vinyl. The surge in the popularity of vinyl has encouraged companies to bring out new ranges of turntables. Big department stores such as John Lewis and Selfridges now stock turntables and dozens of other models are available through internet sites which specialise in electronic goods and home entertainment systems. Publishers wishing to reproduce photographs on this page should phone 44 (0) 207 538 7505 or e-mail syndication@telegraph.co.uk Information appearing on telegraph.co.uk is the copyright of Telegraph Media Group Limited and must not be reproduced in any medium without licence. For the full copyright statement see Copyright ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jan 30 06:26:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19641 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2007 14:26:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2007 14:26:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2007 14:26:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 44783 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jan 2007 14:26:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ExY2h.8VM1k9yJewKV1.xmrDLrdK4u.AyANA.H6.TCX9SAu_4uDIlC.R4D.DDTE2.w-- Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:26:09 PST Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:26:09 -0800 (PST) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <246691.39522.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Lack of OEM HD may be the downfall of HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=U8n_wT7XLU-awxqnTGbs_RNfJYQ8g3-aeVgNo_jxNVvCFu8yKepvmDI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I remember Delco being on board with AM stereo in the 1984 model year, and by 87 there were a ton of AM Stereo Delco radios; in 1985 EVERY Chrysler radio that had FM Stereo ALSO had AM Stereo. So what I'm trying to say is that OEM MOBILE / CAR Stereos were the big push for C-Quam AM stereo. I do not see the same OEM efforts for HD radio, and in my opinion, this will be the killer of HD radio is the lack of OEM radios with HD. I believe that the Visteon is the only OEM HD radio. I still haven't seen a stand-alone HD decoder for the alternate HD channels (like the MetroSound decoder). No portables, only 1 OEM auto HD, not good, except for the three aftermarket units from Crutchfield. Compared to CQuam: In 1986 I had it at home with the Radio Shack AMS tuner, I had a MetroSound in my car, I had a Sony AM Stereo portable, I had a CQuam/Harris decoder kit from Dick Smith Electronics, and I had built my own CQuam decoder from an article in Radio-Electronics magazine, a Harris decoder based on a schematic Harris sent me, and a Magnavox decoder using a National Semiconductor chip (for WOWO) based on info from them. Now if iBiquity was smart, they would get some freebie decoder chips into the hands of experimenters so that they could get excited about the technology and help them promote it? How about it iBiquity? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jan 30 07:49:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77753 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2007 15:47:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2007 15:47:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (71.246.190.195) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2007 15:47:30 -0000 Received: from in4web.com (unverified [127.0.0.1]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.4.543.15) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:45:38 -0500 X-Modus-BlackList: 127.0.0.1=OK;ccuff@in4web.com=OK X-Modus-RBL: 127.0.0.1=Excluded X-Modus-Trusted: 127.0.0.1=NO X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Message-ID: <74c7105a3ce0420394c84c29f13e2050.ccuff@in4web.com> X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 2, 6 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:45:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Originating-IP: 71.246.190.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "ccuff@in4web.com" Subject: RE: {AMSF} OT: 7" singles making a comeback in the U.K. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613; y=0xaNzYjbG2S4yib2TLo8xyDlVNflNAxwCr0JDxzSv08fUXLoDgYiY5DH X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Jay, that is great! I collect and restore old Jukeboxes, and have a small collection now (about 2000)of 45's, but finding new stuff is difficult. I have always loved 45's, and always will- The most treasured of course are the rare Stereo 45's from the late 50's. I have noticed that a majority of my JB parts sales are to ebay users in the UK, where they do love vinyl. Long live it! Chris ------- Original Message ------- From : JNR[mailto:a1asurfradio@yahoo.com] Sent : 1/30/2007 8:57:19 AM To : amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc : Subject : RE: {AMSF} OT: 7" singles making a comeback in the U.K. From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jan 30 07:50:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46628 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2007 15:50:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2007 15:50:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (71.246.190.195) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2007 15:50:51 -0000 Received: from in4web.com (unverified [127.0.0.1]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.4.543.15) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:51:04 -0500 X-Modus-BlackList: 127.0.0.1=OK;ccuff@in4web.com=OK X-Modus-RBL: 127.0.0.1=Excluded X-Modus-Trusted: 127.0.0.1=NO X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Message-ID: <363db85157c04831bc565307b335c3c1.ccuff@in4web.com> X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 2, 6 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:51:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Originating-IP: 71.246.190.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "ccuff@in4web.com" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Lack of OEM HD may be the downfall of HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613; y=uTLpTdFyZqKf-s3axwxvQxnc4Rg1h9MIyHKXM6fAM-2c42r-vI8Ty-1r X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Another problem is the long lock in time for the HD signal to trigger in the radio. Adding that interfernce causes an immediate drop off of the HD signal, and a subsequent "ordeal" to have it come back and lock again I can see no reason for ANY manufacturer to support it until these ongoing problems have been ironed out. I also took back my Accurian today- the salesman was not surprised- every one they have sold has been returned (not that many *were* ever sold- maybe a half dozen sets at this particular store) The manager is now recommending any one that asks about them to hold off until an improved version becomes available. Chris ------- Original Message ------- From : John P.[mailto:toledohamradio@yahoo.com] Sent : 1/30/2007 9:26:09 AM From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Jan 30 11:37:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6843 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2007 19:35:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2007 19:35:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52028.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.29) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2007 19:35:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 59351 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jan 2007 19:35:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20070130193511.59349.qmail@web52028.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: WiuJw1QVM1nS9u1Q84bstJe8UgZha4x7V0x3sebUGzyBURSGwS8mK8_ITK6oKF7xot4pIJDTNlxA.dr.weHZ7ohvSJofzvB2z_.RsR0VwPbVsFI22qb1QiWgi.c9fxfNTc.0xis8R1CeHxI- Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web52028.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:35:11 PST Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:35:11 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <74c7105a3ce0420394c84c29f13e2050.ccuff@in4web.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: RE: {AMSF} OT: 7" singles making a comeback in the U.K. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=wcShLtkvHJVsQwZU91ZGVE-OoQxoDdhQN6TswQD-DIhWa9lXaVvk X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Chris, I'm happy because that means at this rate I'll finally be able to play rock on the A.M. band in about 5 years! I know we have a few stores around here that sells new 45s and there's one that sells new/used 45s. The guy's also on ebay. It's called "Luke's Record Exchange." I've never had a record (33 or 45) come out of there in less than perfectly playable condition. No scratches, hisses, pops or warble. Jay ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jan 30 13:19:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65392 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2007 21:19:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2007 21:19:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.56) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2007 21:19:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2007 21:19:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2007 21:19:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:19:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <246691.39522.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.36.160 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Lack of OEM HD may be the downfall of HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=qeKm2LbVW2IOQTID4WqtqVQ-Gn7AqVvq4EOKPxEKalyH4PdX X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > Compared to CQuam: In 1986 I had it at home with the Radio Shack AMS > tuner, I had a MetroSound in my car, I had a Sony AM Stereo portable, I > had a CQuam/Harris decoder kit from Dick Smith Electronics, and I had > built my own CQuam decoder from an article in Radio-Electronics > magazine, a Harris decoder based on a schematic Harris sent me, and a > Magnavox decoder using a National Semiconductor chip (for WOWO) based > on info from them.=20=20 This was precisely what I was saying about AMS- It was already out there! If it weren't for a certain Mr. Kahn's threats, and the crush of RIAA royalties, AM radio would've been alive and well, and in living STEREO! But yes, it was out there, on the shelves, and though it didn't work ideally, IT WORKED ENOUGH TO BE VIABLE! I wish I could say that about HD in the same timeframe that AMS, particularly C-QUAM had..... =20 > Now if iBiquity was smart, they would get some freebie decoder chips > into the hands of experimenters so that they could get excited about > the technology and help them promote it? How about it iBiquity?=20=20 That's just it- Ibiquity wants it to be proprietary- They've even said so much that they DON'T want experimentors playing around with their system, as it would mean loss of industrial control. The proprietors of the old AMS systems (particularly Motorola's C-QUAM) knew that their systems were based on existing open radio theories and expired patents which they improved upon. The R-E C-QUAM decoder article was itself issued in part by Motorola to encourage experimentation with C-QUAM. Aside from Kahn's less-than-transparent ISB system (he always remained secretive about how he acheived and tweaked the system, which caused much frustration), the various AMS systems were for the most part open to anyone interested. In digital broadcasting, DAB and DRM are open technologies, but HD/IBOC is not, and Ibiquity doesn't want it to be- They would lose alot of money if it was! It's because of analogue AMS' openness that has encouraged me to work on preserving AMS technology- It is preservable, and as long as at least one person is interested- and there will always be more than one, I can assure you- then AMS will never truly die. I can't say that about IBOC! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 30 14:35:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17310 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2007 22:35:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2007 22:35:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.119) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2007 22:35:06 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2007 22:35:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2007 22:35:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2007 22:35:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:35:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <246691.39522.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.119 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.155.44.12 From: "Jeff" Subject: Re: Lack of OEM HD may be the downfall of HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=236606698; y=5fAeW6Jsg-ulkC-_WFXUSdKTeIitYPlWIg1pH2bNS6QfksbVWovqam9BRCaV9x0me98 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeff7472000 Very well stated, John, I too built the AM Stereo decoder kit from=20 Dick Smith Electronics, then later added/deleted or changed=20 components so it decoded only the Motorola system when I realized=20 Harris was going by the wayside. What a pity that there never was a federal mandate for ALL stereo=20 radios to include AM Stereo. Jeff --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > I remember Delco being on board with AM stereo in the 1984 model=20 year, > and by 87 there were a ton of AM Stereo Delco radios; in 1985 EVERY > Chrysler radio that had FM Stereo ALSO had AM Stereo. So what I'm > trying to say is that OEM MOBILE / CAR Stereos were the big push for > C-Quam AM stereo. I do not see the same OEM efforts for HD radio,=20 and > in my opinion, this will be the killer of HD radio is the lack of=20 OEM > radios with HD. I believe that the Visteon is the only OEM HD=20 radio.=20 > I still haven't seen a stand-alone HD decoder for the alternate HD > channels (like the MetroSound decoder). No portables, only 1 OEM=20 auto > HD, not good, except for the three aftermarket units from=20 Crutchfield.=20 >=20 >=20 > Compared to CQuam: In 1986 I had it at home with the Radio Shack AMS > tuner, I had a MetroSound in my car, I had a Sony AM Stereo=20 portable, I > had a CQuam/Harris decoder kit from Dick Smith Electronics, and I=20 had > built my own CQuam decoder from an article in Radio-Electronics > magazine, a Harris decoder based on a schematic Harris sent me, and=20 a > Magnavox decoder using a National Semiconductor chip (for WOWO)=20 based > on info from them.=20=20 >=20 > Now if iBiquity was smart, they would get some freebie decoder chips > into the hands of experimenters so that they could get excited about > the technology and help them promote it? How about it iBiquity?=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Don't pick lemons. > See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. > http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html > From jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 30 15:59:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4050 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2007 23:59:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2007 23:59:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2007 23:59:54 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2007 23:59:17 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2007 23:59:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2007 23:59:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:59:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <246691.39522.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.155.44.12 From: "Jeff" Subject: Re: Lack of OEM HD may be the downfall of HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=236606698; y=bNqoQQsaH37lqIZjHbtotgra44ez88doVSF-I7XaKfAoncZ_0ab5ORAiRmr2bGNQ-vE X-Yahoo-Profile: jeff7472000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > Now if iBiquity was smart, they would get some freebie decoder chips > into the hands of experimenters so that they could get excited about > the technology and help them promote it? How about it iBiquity?=20=20 I can't help but think many existing tuners and receivers would offer=20 more solid HD performance than any commercially produced HD receiver=20 thus far if IBOC decoding could be installed in lieu of conventional=20 detector circuitry. Jeff From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jan 30 20:24:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35584 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2007 04:24:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2007 04:24:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.220) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2007 04:24:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2007 04:24:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2007 04:24:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 04:24:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.113 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Lack of OEM HD may be the downfall of HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=wQzP9KJTbH3R-Dzi3kDtE43sP-tCg5WHXScgA44pcrKP7M-xSA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 > wrote: > > Now if iBiquity was smart, they would get some freebie decoder=20 chips > > into the hands of experimenters so that they could get excited=20 about > > the technology and help them promote it? How about it iBiquity?=20=20 >=20 > I can't help but think many existing tuners and receivers would=20 offer=20 > more solid HD performance than any commercially produced HD receiver=20 > thus far if IBOC decoding could be installed in lieu of conventional=20 > detector circuitry. >=20 > Jeff > Hi Gang!!! Men, you've forgot the essence of the problem: DOES THE DIGITAL AUDIO=20 A.M. SYSTEM REALLY WORK IN ANY CONDITION, ANY DISTANCE, ANY TIME, ANY=20 PLACE, WITH A REALLY GOOD AUDIO QUALITY? Is there somebody who can answer: YES? If the answer is: NO, then any conversation about the OEM, HD patent=20 rights, etc. is in vain. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From tf3200ir@yahoo.com.au Tue Jan 30 20:39:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tf3200ir@yahoo.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38365 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2007 04:38:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2007 04:38:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2007 04:38:22 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2007 04:38:21 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2007 04:38:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2007 04:38:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 04:38:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 144.138.227.17 From: "Smiley" Subject: Whats happening in Australia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=288652798; y=G1fP70pAX8KY9xukWm6t4H7w2660CRrBSUkjP_Veuwvw3Yo X-Yahoo-Profile: tf3200ir From google group "aus.radio.broadcast" The old 3UZ tower at Lower Plenty, an outer Melbourne suburb, has been demolished to make way for a housing estate.=20 Here's the link to the full article http://groups.google.com.au/group/aus.radio.broadcast/browse_thread/thread/= 90be955bc0d9e296/f2828ef88d7d54fd?hl=3Den#f2828ef88d7d54fd From tomray@wor710.com Wed Jan 31 09:58:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12975 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2007 17:58:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m41a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2007 17:58:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.112) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2007 17:58:14 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2007 17:57:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2007 17:57:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2007 17:57:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:57:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Lack of OEM HD may be the downfall of HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=eF51Ko8OqRRHLZVoJRZaOpHEdXI0esAy2fl167z3_QmL443J X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Unfortunately, your argument shot itself in the foot because: THE ANALOG AUDIO=20 > A.M. SYSTEM DOESN'T REALLY WORK IN ANY CONDITION, ANY DISTANCE,=20 ANY TIME, ANY=20 > PLACE, WITH A REALLY GOOD AUDIO QUALITY. It has limitations, as well. Therefore, based on your logic, the=20 entire discussion, analog or digital, is in vain. Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P."=20 =20 > > wrote: > > > Now if iBiquity was smart, they would get some freebie decoder=20 > chips > > > into the hands of experimenters so that they could get excited=20 > about > > > the technology and help them promote it? How about it=20 iBiquity?=20=20 > >=20 > > I can't help but think many existing tuners and receivers would=20 > offer=20 > > more solid HD performance than any commercially produced HD=20 receiver=20 > > thus far if IBOC decoding could be installed in lieu of=20 conventional=20 > > detector circuitry. > >=20 > > Jeff > > >=20 > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > Men, you've forgot the essence of the problem: DOES THE DIGITAL=20 AUDIO=20 > A.M. SYSTEM REALLY WORK IN ANY CONDITION, ANY DISTANCE, ANY TIME,=20 ANY=20 > PLACE, WITH A REALLY GOOD AUDIO QUALITY? >=20 > Is there somebody who can answer: YES? >=20 > If the answer is: NO, then any conversation about the OEM, HD=20 patent=20 > rights, etc. is in vain. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > From tomray@wor710.com Wed Jan 31 10:00:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3759 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2007 17:59:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2007 17:59:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.102) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2007 17:59:07 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n9.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2007 17:58:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2007 17:58:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2007 17:58:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:58:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Lack of OEM HD may be the downfall of HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=j2GBqTME3t9MGmwvMDdCd60iKt0x1dyVMzmmFHDQXG-xkFFm X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Unfortunately, your argument shot itself in the foot because: THE ANALOG AUDIO=20 > A.M. SYSTEM DOESN'T REALLY WORK IN ANY CONDITION, ANY DISTANCE,=20 ANY TIME, ANY=20 > PLACE, WITH A REALLY GOOD AUDIO QUALITY. It has limitations, as well. Therefore, based on your logic, the=20 entire discussion, analog or digital, is in vain. Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P."=20 =20 > > wrote: > > > Now if iBiquity was smart, they would get some freebie decoder=20 > chips > > > into the hands of experimenters so that they could get excited=20 > about > > > the technology and help them promote it? How about it=20 iBiquity?=20=20 > >=20 > > I can't help but think many existing tuners and receivers would=20 > offer=20 > > more solid HD performance than any commercially produced HD=20 receiver=20 > > thus far if IBOC decoding could be installed in lieu of=20 conventional=20 > > detector circuitry. > >=20 > > Jeff > > >=20 > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > Men, you've forgot the essence of the problem: DOES THE DIGITAL=20 AUDIO=20 > A.M. SYSTEM REALLY WORK IN ANY CONDITION, ANY DISTANCE, ANY TIME,=20 ANY=20 > PLACE, WITH A REALLY GOOD AUDIO QUALITY? >=20 > Is there somebody who can answer: YES? >=20 > If the answer is: NO, then any conversation about the OEM, HD=20 patent=20 > rights, etc. is in vain. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jan 31 17:57:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71820 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2007 01:57:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2007 01:57:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.109) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2007 01:57:02 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n12.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2007 01:57:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2007 01:57:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2007 01:57:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 01:57:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.109 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.139.231 From: "K8DAD" Subject: Photo Album Section X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=hxBNeW_o-c9XUnpsl2qgPzm5QyimrNEarCnecdcw18JDvC6AhuMUvJc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hello Gentlemen, I've added a new album with some AM Stereo photos from the=20 JohnnyElectron archives of AM Stereo equipment I've had at one time or=20 another - enjoy. From jimsmith@vfr.net Wed Jan 31 19:10:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65690 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2007 03:10:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2007 03:10:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2007 03:10:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2007 03:09:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2007 03:09:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 03:09:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.215.215.77 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: Photo Album Section X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=5Rr2XEWqp4nisbCAd9l9yND4pPFfnRk87hUxDbUTFfyYWJi5Hb6m5A X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "K8DAD" =20 wrote: > > Hello Gentlemen, > I've added a new album with some AM Stereo photos from the=20 > JohnnyElectron archives of AM Stereo equipment I've had at one time=20 or=20 > another - enjoy. > Hi John Can you please put up the link for that . Thanks Jim Smith From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Jan 31 20:44:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50771 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2007 04:43:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m38a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2007 04:43:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.105) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2007 04:43:55 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n10.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2007 04:43:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2007 04:43:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2007 04:43:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 04:43:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.105 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.3 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Lack of OEM HD may be the downfall of HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=anlFI-Or-u3irEThvydFjAVdZdVwEVkW2U_SpCypThKYo89Y6A X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > Unfortunately, your argument shot itself in the foot because: >=20 > THE ANALOG AUDIO=20 > > A.M. SYSTEM DOESN'T REALLY WORK IN ANY CONDITION, ANY DISTANCE,=20 > ANY TIME, ANY=20 > > PLACE, WITH A REALLY GOOD AUDIO QUALITY. >=20 > It has limitations, as well. Therefore, based on your logic, the=20 > entire discussion, analog or digital, is in vain. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR >=20 Hi Tom!!! No, you're wrong. In any condition, even with an "unbearable" amount=20 of background noise, you can understand "something" from an analog=20 AM station message (think about the DXs). I ask you: with the=20 same "unbearable" amount of background noise, Does the digital audio=20 A.M. system works? With a very strong and, again, "unbearable" adjacent channel=20 interference, you can always understand something from your=20 desirable AM station. Could you get it with the digital system? Now, let's get back to the real world. "THE RADIO PROBLEM" (AM, SW,=20 FM, analog or digital) isn't a quality and/or technical problem. The=20 problem is about how to give the people what the people wants. What=20 does the people want? FUN! Free and easy fun, that's all!!! Can you=20 do it with a talk or news format? I think you don't. What must you=20 do? Simple: a funny format, music format. But... WHO WILL PAY THE=20 BILL? This was/is and will be the RADIO problem. If we have today an=20 analog A.M. system AND WE AREN'T CAPABLE TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM NOW,=20 tell me: How could we survive with an enormous digital investment=20 without the security of "pay the bill" the next month? Please, don't misunderstand me: I'M NOT A DIGITAL ENEMY. I love the=20 digital world. I only want to see a digital A.M. system soon. But...=20 an UNIVERSALLY ACCEPTED, CHEAP and 100% PROVEN, in any case,=20 system!!! In other words, I'm talking about to avoid an stupid=20 investment. That's all. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jan 31 20:49:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90052 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2007 04:49:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2007 04:49:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.186) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2007 04:49:55 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n5.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2007 04:49:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2007 04:49:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2007 04:49:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 04:49:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.36.160 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Photo Album Section X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=8DQsaG91imrFy1YXRzRC5JfsyqYPSdnzHVXVJTGJleAkoDZ2 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95663" wrote: > Hi John Can you please put up the link for that . Thanks Jim Smith http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/spnew? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From tf3200ir@yahoo.com.au Thu Feb 01 02:56:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tf3200ir@yahoo.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70147 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2007 10:56:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2007 10:56:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.25) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2007 10:56:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2007 10:55:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2007 10:55:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 10:55:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 144.138.227.141 From: "Smiley" Subject: Re: Photo Album Section X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=288652798; y=Vrh9Bz2ok2KYRrynfRvChGoUOLSykR89lDK9lrQ5anR2lPU X-Yahoo-Profile: tf3200ir Nice pics there John of course I have the Aussie version of the Clarion 8925RT radio here they were called AWA . And its still in use.. From tomray@wor710.com Thu Feb 01 11:59:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26720 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2007 19:59:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2007 19:59:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.206) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2007 19:59:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2007 19:58:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2007 19:58:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 19:58:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Lack of OEM HD may be the downfall of HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=KIAaaoNq74K5y1MLC278b73PafMCAWycJjP-5iQTku7CcsTv X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray That was not the implication of your statement. You implied that an analog AM signal will: "work in any condition, at any distance, any time, any place, with a really good audio quality".=20=20 And this statement is wrong. You will not get really good audio quality under adverse conditions, and I would take issue with your statement that "With a very strong and, again, "unbearable" adjacent channel=20 > interference, you can always understand something from your=20 > desirable AM station."=20=20 I have been able to detect audio that has been completely unintelligeble....like the Cuban interference to WOR. It's very strong....yet I coudn't identify the language. It took the FCC's direction finding team to locate the transmitter for me. And during the nighttime HD testing I was involved in, the cochannel interference to WLW made them totally unintelligeble even though some audio from them barely made it through. Tom Ray WOR From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Feb 01 16:15:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3928 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2007 00:15:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2007 00:15:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2007 00:15:11 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.221.86]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 147631506-1881964 for ; Thu, 01 Feb 2007 18:15:09 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ed01c7465f$ef85a8a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <595653.44769.qm@web52014.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 18:20:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 4, in=3, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.221.86 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: 7" singles making a comeback in the U.K. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=kD-D57zvK75E-RUoDjK1u9jz-vPxfl4uDWT3qO8raca0vld3oYXw X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude OK, someone tell me where to find a record cutting lathe so I can make more permanent copies of the music I download... Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" > "The CD single also seems very 1980s. I think > people are aware that it is a piece of software > for holding information. By contrast, the vinyl > single is a design classic. > > "I think it's very possible that the CD might > become obsolete in an age of download music but > the vinyl record will survive." From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Feb 01 19:16:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70091 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2007 03:16:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2007 03:16:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao107.cox.net) (68.230.241.39) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2007 03:16:42 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20070202031638.TZZB1306.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 22:16:38 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id JTGY1W00q2DrW980000000; Thu, 01 Feb 2007 22:16:38 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 19:16:32 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Interesting story X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=C6U-VKKsLIIp_BqWe9UIpQc3aSTjNTeEeWUGSKE11VJXj11bliqBlcs3Xy5X X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I do not have the publish date. http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/print/4660 Europe Dithers Over Digital Radio By: Michael Dumiak ---------- PHOTO: MORPHY RICHARDS STOCKING STUFFER: A Morphy Richards DRM radio awaits the holiday=20=20 buying season. It=92s been a year since Digital Radio Mondiale was supposed to spark a = =20 revolution. Shiny new radios would come fitted with DRM technology to=20=20 receive a new, higher- quality digital signal for shortwave and AM=20=20 broadcasting. That in turn would pave the way for all-digital airwaves=20 =97first in Europe, and then in Asia, Latin America, and North America. It never happened. The first DRM receivers were supposed to be on the=20=20 market in time for last December=92s holiday shopping [see photo,=20=20 =93Stocking Stuffer]. But because of unspecified technical glitches=97or = =20 maybe just cold feet on the part of manufacturers, who worried about=20=20 whether the technology would truly take off=97stores still lack radios. = =20 Now, with this year=92s holiday season fast approaching, DRM backers=20=20 are trying to drum up enthusiasm for the technology. DRM got its start a decade ago in the R&D labs of the United=20=20 Kingdom=92s BBC, Germany=92s Deutsche Welle and Deutsche Telekom, and the = =20 United States=92 Jet Propulsion Laboratory and Voice of America. The=20=20 idea was to develop a nonproprietary digital technology for=20=20 terrestrial broadcasting at frequencies of 30 megahertz and below, to=20=20 supplement the satellite transmission technologies already in place=20=20 [see sidebar, =93Roll Over, Marconi=94]. Although analog shortwave signals can travel many thousands of miles,=20=20 reception is easily disrupted and tends to be spotty. Analog AM=20=20 fidelity is generally better than that of shortwave, but broadcast=20=20 reach is much smaller, except at night, when signals bounce off the=20=20 ionosphere. Among the advantages of digital broadcasting are its consistency of=20=20 signal quality and its efficiency. A 50-kilowatt transmitter using=20=20 DRM can reach Warsaw from London, while an analog transmitter with=20=20 the same reach would have to be 200 kW, observes the BBC=92s John=20=20 Sykes, a DRM pioneer. Not surprisingly, dozens of major international=20=20 broadcasters are backing DRM, which also lets them get out of analog=20=20 shortwave broadcasting without leaving its bandwidth fallow. =93Radio will be digital. Full stop,=94 says Peter Senger, a longtime R&D = =20 man at Deutsche Welle and leader of the international Digital Radio=20=20 Mondiale consortium. But for DRM to take hold, listeners will have to go out and buy new=20=20 radios, and so far that=92s put a full stop to DRM. Why would people=20=20 throw out perfectly good radios and plunk down the equivalent of US=20=20 $200 to buy supposedly better ones, considering they can already get=20=20 all the content they want with their existing sets? Sony Corp. and Blaupunkt, both part of the DRM consortium, show no=20=20 signs of putting a DRM-compatible radio on the market, and they=20=20 declined to offer comments for this story. Evidently, for now they=92d=20=20 rather leave the field to more obscure manufacturers, such as=20=20 Taiwan=92s Sangean Electronics and Britain=92s Roberts and Morphy=20=20 Richards. No company has yet offered consumers a DRM car radio. Still, =93pilot production runs are happening as we speak,=94 says Dave = =20 Hawkins, a business development strategist at RadioScape, in London,=20=20 which makes the decoding module for DRM receivers. Hawkins is=20=20 confident that radios will be available for Europe=92s Christmas=20=20 holiday market this year. There are tense days ahead, though. DRM boosters express confidence=20=20 that when consumers hear it, they=92ll like it. They say that even=20=20 though DRM=92s sound quality will not be like hearing true hi-fi,=20=20 listeners will appreciate having shortwave and AM stations coming in=20=20 at near-FM quality. Even more important, perhaps, listeners will be=20=20 able to get many more stations than before, and if they purchase a=20=20 well-equipped radio, they will have user-friendly ways of identifying=20=20 and selecting programs of interest. But Sangean, Roberts, and Morphy Richards don=92t have the marketing=20=20 clout of a Sony, and rarely does a new technology sell itself. Sidebar 1 Roll Over, Marconi: New Digital Technologies Occupy Radio Space HD Radio: A proprietary digital radio system, HD is the government-=20 approved industry standard in the United States for local-area=20=20 broadcast. It is promoted by iBiquity Digital Corp., in Columbia,=20=20 Md., which was originally backed by Lucent Technologies and=20=20 broadcasters CBS and Gannett Co. HD uses in-band on-channel (IBOC) transmission, which means digital=20=20 signals use sidebands and can be piggybacked on existing analog=20=20 broadcasts, so stations can stick with existing frequency allocations=20=20 and simulcast analog and digital programming if they wish. Broadcasters using the HD system get a cheap upgrade to the=20=20 transmitter but pay license fees to iBiquity. Nine car brands,=20=20 including BMW, offer HD Radio as a factory-installed option. Digital Radio Mondiale: DRM is an open-standard digital radio system=20=20 for broadcasting on AM and shortwave bands that requires a DRM-=20 compatible receiver. It is backed by a large consortium of=20=20 international broadcasters, including the BBC World Service, Deutsche=20=20 Welle, and Radio France, as well as manufacturers such as Blaupunkt,=20=20 Bosch, Panasonic, Sony, and Texas Instruments. But the radios are not available yet and will cost between US $150=20=20 and $300 when they are. Satellite: Listeners pay a roughly $12-per-month subscription fee,=20=20 and commercial-free shows featuring hosts such as Howard Stern and=20=20 Bob Dylan are beamed from satellites to home or car receivers. XM=20=20 Satellite Radio and Sirius Satellite Radio operate in North America;=20=20 WorldSpace Satellite Radio serves Europe, Africa, and Asia. A home for uncensored, cutting-edge, and specialized content, XM and=20=20 Sirius have 4 million subscribers between them, and lately there=92s=20=20 been talk of a merger. Digital Audio Broadcasting: Promoted by the World DAB Forum, DAB is=20=20 broadcasting on FM bands using the Eureka 147 standard, adopted by=20=20 Europe, Canada, and Asia. To date, some 1.3 million DAB radios have=20=20 been sold in the United Kingdom at about $100 and up.=97M.D. =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Feb 01 20:08:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77818 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2007 04:08:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2007 04:08:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.117) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2007 04:08:42 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2007 04:07:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2007 04:07:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2007 04:07:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 04:07:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.41 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Lack of OEM HD may be the downfall of HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=6dtjGqTPy4MN1UrKMVPZI2D6gE6iJsJvXvDLvOlY1vOnR11qhw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > That was not the implication of your statement. You implied that=20 an > analog AM signal will: >=20 > "work in any condition, at any distance, any time, any place, with=20 a > really good audio quality".=20=20 >=20 > And this statement is wrong. You will not get really good audio > quality under adverse conditions, and I would take issue with your > statement that "With a very strong and, again, "unbearable"=20 adjacent > channel=20 > > interference, you can always understand something from your=20 > > desirable AM station."=20=20 >=20 > I have been able to detect audio that has been completely > unintelligeble....like the Cuban interference to WOR. It's very > strong....yet I coudn't identify the language. It took the FCC's > direction finding team to locate the transmitter for me. >=20 > And during the nighttime HD testing I was involved in, the=20 cochannel > interference to WLW made them totally unintelligeble even though=20 some > audio from them barely made it through. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > Tom! I'm not your enemy and I don't want to be boring about this=20 theme. The forum have talked about this more than one time: DIGITAL=20 AM RADIO DOESN'T WORK, IN ANY CONDITION, ANY TIME, ANY DISTANCE, ANY=20 PLACE, PERIOD. Digital has a lot of problems to solve yet. So, it=20 isn't a good choice NOW. We only have one thing 100% tested: ANALOG=20 AM. It's true: the typical AM background noise is=20 absolutely "unbearable" sometimes. Nobody wants it. There are some=20 crazy men whom enjoy the noisy reception (DXs), but they are=20 the "minority report". But it is the only reality today. Digital is,=20 still, the "future". Now, if we think on the real world (not the USA world, I'm talking=20 about the latin america world, the "poor" brother of America), the=20 typical AM station is: 1 kW of power, mono audio, 5-6 kHz audio=20 bandwidth with a lot of sports, "theater" stars From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Feb 01 21:37:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18206 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2007 05:37:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2007 05:37:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao103.cox.net) (68.230.241.43) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2007 05:37:20 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20070202053710.VSKT1349.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 00:37:10 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id JVd91W01Y2DrW980000000; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 00:37:10 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 21:37:09 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Lack of OEM HD may be the downfall of HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=N5ieB7AlRh4iiEdSMLR9wRTHYMExM8UOTfCWLIJVyqpAPS9VBYRAKj79ltXk X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 1, 2007, at 8:07 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > DIGITAL AM RADIO DOESN'T WORK, IN ANY CONDITION, ANY TIME, ANY > DISTANCE, ANY > PLACE, PERIOD. I don't think it is perfect yet, but it does work fairly well in my area of Southern California. I can get HD from San Diego's KOGO at my house about 100+ miles North (near the Port of Los Angeles). The LA stations that run HD sound nice, if a bit inconsistent due to differences in processing. The only weirdness is that KNX, with 50,000 watt transmitters no more than six miles from my house, drops the HD signal occasionally. This happens occasionally on KDIS (the old KRLA at 1110 AM), but I have always had trouble picking up 1110 AM cleanly from my house; it was a lot of trouble getting the analog stereo to lock in back when they ran that, and there is often a hum in the background. But KDIS transmitters are way far away, while I drive by the KNX towers whenever I leave town and travel North a few miles. Interestingly, in trying out a Sangean HDT-1 tuner (Tom, is that the one you were getting?) I do recall why I liked the Carver tx-11b so much. It really sounds fabulous on AM, even on stations that reduce bandwidth for HD broadcasts. Takes a lot of work to tune compared with the Sangean, but it sounds great for analog. I wish I had it when AM still transmitted to 20 kHz. I remember it sounded better than the Denon TU680NAB "super tuner" on AM, and ran circles around the Denon for FM reception. The Sangean, though, may be one of the best component tuner bargains ever. $200 for great reception and HD capability for it, compared with $700 for the Carver when I bought it (a long long time ago). Richard Wagoner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Feb 02 12:16:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63476 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2007 20:16:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2007 20:16:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.117) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2007 20:16:00 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2007 20:15:20 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2007 20:14:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2007 20:14:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:14:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.88 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Lack of OEM HD may be the downfall of HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=080omdH3WQ_lGIMjv7x2Zr7JbMwUETAPIp0e6-qY-MJNgPNSsw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner =20 wrote: > >=20 > On Feb 1, 2007, at 8:07 PM, jotape1960 wrote: >=20 > > DIGITAL AM RADIO DOESN'T WORK, IN ANY CONDITION, ANY TIME, ANY=20=20 > > DISTANCE, ANY > > PLACE, PERIOD. >=20 > I don't think it is perfect yet, but it does work fairly well in=20 my=20=20 > area of Southern California. I can get HD from San Diego's KOGO at=20 my=20=20 > house about 100+ miles North (near the Port of Los Angeles). The=20 LA=20=20 > stations that run HD sound nice, if a bit inconsistent due to=20=20 > differences in processing. The only weirdness is that KNX, with=20=20 > 50,000 watt transmitters no more than six miles from my house,=20 drops=20=20 > the HD signal occasionally. This happens occasionally on KDIS=20 (the=20=20 > old KRLA at 1110 AM), but I have always had trouble picking up=20 1110=20=20 > AM cleanly from my house; it was a lot of trouble getting the=20 analog=20=20 > stereo to lock in back when they ran that, and there is often a=20 hum=20=20 > in the background. But KDIS transmitters are way far away, while=20 I=20=20 > drive by the KNX towers whenever I leave town and travel North a=20 few=20=20 > miles. >=20 > Interestingly, in trying out a Sangean HDT-1 tuner (Tom, is that=20 the=20=20 > one you were getting?) I do recall why I liked the Carver tx-11b=20 so=20=20 > much. It really sounds fabulous on AM, even on stations that=20 reduce=20=20 > bandwidth for HD broadcasts. Takes a lot of work to tune compared=20=20 > with the Sangean, but it sounds great for analog. I wish I had it=20=20 > when AM still transmitted to 20 kHz. I remember it sounded better=20=20 > than the Denon TU680NAB "super tuner" on AM, and ran circles=20 around=20=20 > the Denon for FM reception. >=20 > The Sangean, though, may be one of the best component tuner=20 bargains=20=20 > ever. $200 for great reception and HD capability for it, compared=20=20 > with $700 for the Carver when I bought it (a long long time ago). >=20 > Richard Wagoner >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > HI GANG!!! I insist I'm not an enemy of the digital audio world, I LOVE PURE=20 NON-COMPRESSED DIGITAL AUDIO and I'd love it more if we could have a=20 cheap, compatible and 100% efficient system to transmit it through=20 the standard AM band!!! I really want a digital audio AM system, the=20 problem is: Where is that CHEAP, compatible and 100% efficient=20 system? At last, to the forum administrator(s): Why or Who cut part of my=20 last posting? Is there some kind of "censure" in this forum? ??? I=20 don't think I wrote something offensive, maybe some boring but not=20 offensive, so... I can understand. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Feb 03 13:53:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6926 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2007 21:53:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2007 21:53:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.184) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2007 21:53:47 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2007 21:53:32 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2007 21:53:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2007 21:53:32 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 21:53:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.20 From: "jotape1960" Subject: The today digital AM systems: Are they fulfil their promises? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=YmU26io0JerHPQtW9IlCHC4-XXc0vEz3JmooBy50QQCdK0RMGA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI GANG!!! I'm insist about a very, very, very boring theme, but with a good=20 reason: to force a deep discussion about it. The theme is: the industry promised a Digital Audio AM Broadcasting=20 system full compatible with the today analog system, cheap and with=20 an outstanding audio quality ("you'll hear an AM station with the=20 same quality of the standard analog FM stereo station"). Was it=20 fulfilled? Let's see if the today digital system fulfils the promises: 1) 100% COMPATIBLE WITH THE TODAY ANALOG SYSTEM. Is it really true?=20 Answer: NO! Why? Simple, you cannot transmit analog "HI-FI" audio=20 (10 kHz bandwidth) and/or stereo information at the same time you=20 are transmitting the digital part. So, the today digital system=20 isn't 100% compatible with the today analog systems (mono and/or=20 stereo). Promise isn't fulfilled. 2) CHEAP. Are the today digital audio AM system cheap? Answer:=20 MAYBE! Why? If we consider a today analog AM TX (100% solid state)=20 as a cheap investment, WE CAN'T CONSIDER CHEAP SOMETHING WHICH COULD=20 BE OBSOLETE TOMORROW (BEFORE WE CAN PAY IT), because nobody can=20 assure us the today technology will be active in the near future,=20 the changes and improvements could be extremely fast. Promise isn't=20 fulfilled. 3) AN OUTSTANDING AUDIO QUALITY. Is it really true? Answer: NO! The=20 best we can get is the typical bad encoding MP3 quality. Any analog=20 FM Stereo station sounds better (even if they use MP3 format audio).=20 So, again the promise isn't fulfilled. The only one thing we really get (if we get it), with the today=20 digital AM system, is a better signal to noise ratio, BUT ONLY IF WE=20 GET AN STRONG SIGNAL (it wouldn't be the reality in the poor brother=20 of America: Latin America, because the typical Central and South=20 America station is 1 kW power, with not always the best antenna, and=20 a lot of bills to pay). Summarized: How we called a people who doesn't do the thing he=20 said: "I'll do it"? Liar? Irresponsible? or just a FRAUD? It's just my humble opinion. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From orxata_d_xufa@yahoo.es Sun Feb 04 04:33:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: orxata_d_xufa@yahoo.es X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19298 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2007 12:33:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2007 12:33:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.244) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2007 12:33:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2007 12:33:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2007 12:33:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 12:33:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00ed01c7465f$ef85a8a0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 81.202.75.0 From: "orxata_d_xufa" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: 7" singles making a comeback in the U.K. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192122520; y=qGlhLgVclDCdDDK-WhDEPzCwVh3s7ei1f4YjEs0rAfIPkcAD_r8GlA X-Yahoo-Profile: orxata_d_xufa Not very cheap,but have a look... http://www.vestax.com/v/products/recorders/vrx2000.html --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > OK, someone tell me where to find a record cutting lathe so I can=20 make more > permanent copies of the music I download... >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "JNR" > > "The CD single also seems very 1980s. I think > > people are aware that it is a piece of software > > for holding information. By contrast, the vinyl > > single is a design classic. > > > > "I think it's very possible that the CD might > > become obsolete in an age of download music but > > the vinyl record will survive." > From badeditpro@comcast.net Sun Feb 04 11:43:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71624 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2007 19:43:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2007 19:43:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc13.comcast.net) (204.127.192.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2007 19:43:31 -0000 Received: from yourfd6nvjcer4 (c-71-63-44-43.hsd1.va.comcast.net[71.63.44.43]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20070204185129m1300dju0re>; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 18:51:29 +0000 Message-ID: <000601c7488d$7cb53ef0$2b2c3f47@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 13:51:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 204.127.192.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: FORMATTING AUDIO DRIVES X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=294947950; y=--gjC7ylpZwVi3WrrCGheylQqignYVg72YEhR_lNQiy5Ez-2_QXnrsnDECMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey All, If you are using a separate hard drive to store audio and/or video files on your system you can really enhance the performance by modifying the standard Windows NTFS format. I just found out about this myself and it really makes a difference in seek time when pulling up any particular file. Here's what you do: When you install a new drive and you are partitioning and formatting it Windows will throw up a dialog box allowing you to choose cluster size and a few other parameters.. Instead of leaving cluster size at the 'default' setting (4 kilobytes) change that to 32 k clusters. You'll lose NTFS file compression on that drive but that is close to useless for large audio and video files anyway. With 32 k clusters, Windows has less information to keep up with for each file, meaning smaller indexes and the drive will fragment less over time. This works with different partitions on a big drive just as well as separate physical drives. I just reformatted my audio hard drive where I store my songs, production and airchecks last night and I am seeing a big difference in performance on playback. There used to be a slight pause when I would start an audio file playing but now whatever I click in my player starts instantaneously. Adobe Audition opens up files faster and the save time is also reduced. Cool huh? So cool, I had to share! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Feb 04 14:09:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27043 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2007 22:09:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2007 22:09:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2007 22:09:14 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.221]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 149970655-1881964 for ; Sun, 04 Feb 2007 16:08:21 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004101c748a9$bbbc4820$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 16:13:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 5, in=4, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.221 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: 7" singles making a comeback in the U.K. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=KJfomOEuPwaCobJKkUThRAGxzAqe757i5r6W4loVewg0_zIZum6j X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'll bet it's not all that cheap. Didn't see any prices- did you? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "orxata_d_xufa" > Not very cheap,but have a look... > http://www.vestax.com/v/products/recorders/vrx2000.html > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > > > OK, someone tell me where to find a record cutting lathe so I can > make more > > permanent copies of the music I download... > > > > Scott Todd > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "JNR" > > > "The CD single also seems very 1980s. I think > > > people are aware that it is a piece of software > > > for holding information. By contrast, the vinyl > > > single is a design classic. > > > > > > "I think it's very possible that the CD might > > > become obsolete in an age of download music but > > > the vinyl record will survive." From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 08 04:19:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72137 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2007 12:18:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2007 12:18:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.210) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2007 12:18:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 9410 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2007 12:18:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.18.48.37 with login) by smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2007 12:18:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ShtUrCwVM1kV3r.aAHDYck8a9FNQIsvbLAljmkxMTY6L4vx7yoDSsC9iVl9CTjvoe2Xk7NIvedt2FPZTnNNc.52Pvasf4mkx.3ox2ydUc1mBqqjzqiKBZWZpRS_Xs9jRZXCHiX8N0XX74NQ- Message-ID: <000c01c74b7b$41b833c0$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 04:18:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: "Sounds of the bay" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=Z1WX8zXqkeYAbTfL1OTfdAj3m0uXfMTJstUxicGFFlQi8fAokVCF0O14Gc1BYqJKgsOMohM4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang KTRB AM 860 is back the the air with SOUNDS OF THE BAY and thay are playing 60's and 70's rock bands from the bay area before 3-1 -2007 than i think thay will be just like all the other crap on the AM BAND so enjoy it wile it last. Sorry no stream yet that i know of. Jim Smith P.S Thay are still 50 kw out of neer Navato Ca. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 08 04:38:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88801 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2007 12:36:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2007 12:36:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.200) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2007 12:36:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 25958 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2007 12:36:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.18.48.37 with login) by smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2007 12:36:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: IMhZbW4VM1nofqjz1CDxGdwAmYBAwVCjvg.oPWloAnkE6KxmxOdi7WxleQ9k.J8p4g.32HBvXhNXlHnyp1Zk63z3vYBOu.PEn3TOr044uVIvC9SGyp1xGNL6VKd8bfXaXh6eKjRscDr3hA-- Message-ID: <000e01c74b7d$cc187aa0$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 04:35:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: Correction about KTRB AM 860 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=UtgSDw5jXb6saEvC9mtuG3zeQygH9n5Nc-tGBot4Sr7Jp5PnWv1fOpVsf-D6lnN-QNiW6D50 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HI Gang KTRB's new TX site is not neer Navato its in between Union City and Livermore Ca. So i was wrong about that. Like i said any way enjoy it wile it last before it terns to s--t. I should have looked at www.fcc.gov before i wrote. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Feb 08 17:40:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98564 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2007 01:30:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2007 01:30:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2007 01:30:02 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.195]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 151066252-1881964 for ; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:28:15 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201c74bea$58682840$d503fea9@stodd> To: Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 19:33:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 2, in=4, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.195 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: some good news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=cN5jyPEk25mBe18ABmGOGqrAJ8HGDboa6gEb-1N1pgYBmSaeIJR7 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Took a trip to Milwaukee yesterday and had a couple pleasant surprises. After an absence of several years, WRPQ, 740 Baraboo, is back in AM stereo! Also found WLS running it during the day, but I think that may have been due to the IBOC generator being out of commission. I did note that WTDY, 1670 Madison is no longer in stereo, something I had suspected for a long time. Up at my house it's hard to get a clean signal on any channel anymore, so when I drove through I confirmed the stereo and pilot were off. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Sun Feb 11 15:45:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96508 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2007 23:45:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m41a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2007 23:45:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s12.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.84) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2007 23:45:31 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.162.74]) by bay0-omc1-s12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 15:44:40 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 15:44:40 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.2.34.109 by BAY108-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:44:39 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:44:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2007 23:44:40.0031 (UTC) FILETIME=[98B15EF0:01C74E36] Return-Path: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.84 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: AM Stereo Component Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=ZWFhdStSGzvC2dsmo1jnRxP9QCnz5sn3YFrhyplnp779 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Anyone know where i can get a AM Stereo Component Tuner w/XLR outputs and will cover the Expanded Band? Rack mountable a plus :) Seen the fanfare too much $$$$ not against getting used equipment. What make/models are capable of this? Thank You, ----------------------------------------------- Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Feb 11 18:49:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56057 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2007 02:49:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2007 02:49:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.26) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2007 02:49:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2007 02:49:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2007 02:49:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 02:49:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.8.58 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: AM Stereo Component Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=PhjoA-JAONyE-oE-uSpLENdGM3IosS0LvLYiYP8aS11Nss6h X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" wrote: > > Anyone know where i can get a AM Stereo Component Tuner w/XLR outputs and > will cover the Expanded Band? Rack mountable a plus :) Seen the fanfare too > much $$$$ not against getting used equipment. >=20 > What make/models are capable of this? Pester Jeff at Meduci.com to see about XLR outputs on his AMX-2000. :) ~US$125 ain't too much.. :) Not rack-mountable, but it is a simple AMS component tuner. :) Amy. <:3 )~~9~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Feb 12 08:18:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95099 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2007 16:12:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2007 16:12:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2007 16:12:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 92448 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Feb 2007 16:10:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QVnFkC8VM1lIW8DfHd5UOWOiUBlI9A1EYn26ln6x Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:10:58 PST Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:10:58 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <655899.91670.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: C-Quam in Radio World Feb. 14 Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=Y0icJcDQGXU4jVrvwpHHauzqac4sHLt6op15ph-YTHxSHjed6TqKZRM X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio In the "HD Radio News" section on pages 24-26, at the end of the article on the Sangean HDT-1, there is mention that "As a bonus, the HDT1 will decode C-Quam AM stereo, but there is no indication of this on the panel." Also, in the letters section, Kevin points out that the Radio Shack tuner also decodes C-Quam, with comments about WNMB as well. Not once, but C-Quam twice in an issue; that hasn't happened for a while! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Feb 12 09:00:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9090 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2007 17:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2007 17:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2007 17:00:16 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.205.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.205] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HGeLz-00066e-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:48:35 -0500 Message-ID: <026101c74ec5$a0fbd150$cd6b5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <655899.91670.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:48:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: HD-Radio for OEM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=ByJIOKyt5BmpLrd7gHwdSDEzBJxGBbzzdWrOvS9MSe6UsxJyqOtjqu3EG44jqQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 HD-Radio has finally made it into the OEM Car Radio market with BMW. Now all BMWs will have HD-Radio tuners from the factory. They are being advertised with "CD Quality Sound". Possum From kjones_731@yahoo.com Mon Feb 12 11:10:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kjones_731@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35674 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2007 19:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2007 19:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web81913.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.50) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2007 19:05:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 46672 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Feb 2007 19:04:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: s0pf5wUVM1nu2hcdCP2DpQ5DrpMvXtwbYnwLLEOO Received: from [75.60.191.34] by web81913.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:04:34 PST Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:04:34 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <026101c74ec5$a0fbd150$cd6b5b04@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <150903.45902.qm@web81913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Kirk Jones Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD-Radio for OEM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=58737040; y=HutUeh3Adiq6l3wvIfPrhD3qLcSmqpHBnxRplIAoQGcmWd2V9w X-Yahoo-Profile: kjones_731 Just saw the artile in the Feb. issue of "Roundel" BMW magazine. It (HD multicast) will be offered on the 2007 series 3 this sping only from the factory. The article says "With HD Radio, users get a digital version of the same station, on the same frequency, with less static and fade than the analog station; but typically THERE IS NOT AS MUCH RANGE, so if the digital signal fades, the tuner reverts to analog." Apparently the current HD radio is not multicast meaning it only receives 106.7-1 not any other piggy backed broadcasts, 106.7-2 ect. Let the buyer beware, I didn't know the had stripped down versions of HD radios. --- Possum Hunter wrote: > HD-Radio has finally made it into the OEM Car Radio > market with BMW. Now all > BMWs will have HD-Radio tuners from the factory. > They are being advertised > with "CD Quality Sound". > > Possum > > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Feb 12 20:58:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28027 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2007 04:58:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2007 04:58:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2007 04:58:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2007 04:58:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2007 04:58:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 04:58:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <026101c74ec5$a0fbd150$cd6b5b04@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.31 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: HD-Radio for OEM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=IRKTKMDSGtBNcDEwxDtsaZG8FF4OLvkA1ahE02kcxZNKIFjsVg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > HD-Radio has finally made it into the OEM Car Radio market with=20 BMW. Now all=20 > BMWs will have HD-Radio tuners from the factory. They are being=20 advertised=20 > with "CD Quality Sound". >=20 > Possum > Another reason to get back to the old war between the rich men v/s=20 the poor men? (An BMW isn't a popular and cheap car) And, if you think in the Latin America market, where the Japanese,=20 Korean and Chinese car models are the strong line... Which kind=20 of "radios" will we expect? Is the HD format an standard in Japan,=20 China and Korea? A curiosity: most South America countries follow the FCC radio=20 standars, but we get most of our devices in Japan... A curiosity!!! A good new: some argentinian station was failed two or three nights=20 ago, and I could listen a Brazilian station with a very good AM=20 Stereo signal, very nice (even with the typical DX noise) but with=20 the 9 kHz space system (I didn't know Brazil used that system, or=20 maybe my receiver is wrong?) So, there still are some AM Stereo=20 station ACTIVE here. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Feb 13 00:10:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84774 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2007 08:10:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2007 08:10:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2007 08:10:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2007 08:09:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2007 08:09:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:08:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.8.24 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: HD-Radio for OEM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=s1Qn7tfwWZmWV0XpvwSnB3ZuPNJK42MYgoxuqwFARGdsYNIb X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 > wrote: > > > > HD-Radio has finally made it into the OEM Car Radio market with=20 > BMW. Now all=20 > > BMWs will have HD-Radio tuners from the factory. They are being=20 > advertised=20 > > with "CD Quality Sound". > >=20 > > Possum > > >=20 > Another reason to get back to the old war between the rich men v/s=20 > the poor men? (An BMW isn't a popular and cheap car) Production, particularly of something like this, is not cheap. It's not even a class issue. =20 > And, if you think in the Latin America market, where the Japanese,=20 > Korean and Chinese car models are the strong line... Which kind=20 > of "radios" will we expect? Is the HD format an standard in Japan,=20 > China and Korea? Japan has its own terrestrial digital system, incompatible with DAB, DRM and HD. Only Singapore has it, other than Japan. China and Korea are DAB/DRM countries.=20 =20 > A curiosity: most South America countries follow the FCC radio=20 > standars, but we get most of our devices in Japan... A curiosity!!! Most of our receivers are from Japa, Korea and China. Not too many domesticly, nowadays. =20 > A good new: some argentinian station was failed two or three nights=20 > ago, and I could listen a Brazilian station with a very good AM=20 > Stereo signal, very nice (even with the typical DX noise) but with=20 > the 9 kHz space system (I didn't know Brazil used that system, or=20 > maybe my receiver is wrong?) So, there still are some AM Stereo=20 > station ACTIVE here. As far as I know, Brazil observes the same channel spacing as the rest of the Americas, as per ITU agreements 30 years ago. Perhaps it came from somewhere in the Pacific? Stations primarily west of the International Date Line use the 9kHz channel spacing. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Tue Feb 13 07:38:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96806 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2007 15:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2007 15:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s32.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.104) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2007 15:38:25 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.162.76]) by bay0-omc1-s32.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 07:38:13 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 07:38:13 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.2.34.109 by BAY108-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:38:09 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:38:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2007 15:38:13.0302 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8DF7560:01C74F84] Return-Path: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: AM Stereo Component Tuner (FanFare Alternative) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=F4qLKAFSAhkpUiCh-V_uwco_wsZrtOSJZrnMM53uoBKw X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Hi AM Stereo Fanatics :) I recently wrote jeff deck of meducci, llc about a quality C-QuAM Monitor for my AM Station and this is his reply.... Note:This is good news for us AMS buff's --------------------------------------------------------- Hi Bob, Thank you for the interest in our Meduci AMX-2000 product line. Also, thank you Amy for the kind words! Last year we developed prototype Meduci AM stereo tuner for two Chicago AM stations that included the following features: * Motorola C-QuAM AM Stereo Decoder * Frequency Input: 520 kHz to 1,710 kHz * Antenna Input: BNC 50 ohms * Balanced stereo audio outputs (left, right) * 600-ohm +4bBu balanced audio output standard * 12-volt D.C input via class-2 U.L. listed Power * Rack-mounted 19" wide EIA enclosure (1 RU tall) * Phase Locked Loop Synthesized Tuner * Frequency Response: 25 Hz to 15,000 Hz (-6dB) * Carrier Sense / Carrier Loss Alarm * "Adjustable Carrier Sense" (adjustable threshold) * Good flat envelope distortion free bandwidth * High Stability * Quartz Crystal-Controlled Local oscillator * Internal DIP Switch Station Selection (8 bits) * 10kHz (Canada, Americas) or 9kHz Frequency Plan * Instrumentation-grade low slew rate audio amplifiers * Low Harmonic Distortion (under 1%) * Full steel chassis for maximum RF shielding and durability * Can be operated in high RF field environments Our newest tuner has all of the above features, as well as the following additional new features: * 10kHz Notch Filter * AMAX Stereo * Effective Noise Blanker * Switchable Wide / Narrow Audio Bandwidth * NRSC-1 75uS audio de-emphasis network Balanced audio outputs with XLR male connectors provide uncompromising audio performance for critical listening applications with compatible audio components. Each tuner is frequency agile, with drift-free crystal phase lock loop accuracy (down to better than 100 ppm stability). Each tuner is set to the station's frequency, based upon internal DIP switch selection. Loss-of-carrier signal sense (open collector) is also standard, to interface to user-supplied alarm device. Each tuner can be mounted to standard EIA 19" relay rack. Antenna input is 50 ohm BNC connection. Purchaser can also specify either XLR, Euroblock, or 1/4" TRS audio outputs. Designed as a general purpose off-air AM monitor demodulator grade receiver for EAS or other critical applications. Each tuner is $325 plus postage. There is an approximate four-week manufacturing lead time. Sincerely, Meduci, LLC Jeff Deck http://Meduci.com ----------------------------------------------------- now for those who can't afford $2000.00 + for a FTA-100 there is a quality alternative :) Thank You, ----------------------------------------------- Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Feb 13 08:07:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66243 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2007 16:07:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2007 16:07:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2007 16:07:13 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.109.237.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.109.237] helo=PossumHunter) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HH0B4-0002ld-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:06:46 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c74f88$f3797b80$ed6d5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:48:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD-Radio for OEM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=gB1HlM5M_3Qg4de0SMCtjDXE0bMHw_3PXUjAmK9JjPhpslztDh4GBkB1NvV86g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jotape1960 wrote: >And, if you think in the Latin America market, where the Japanese, Korean >and Chinese car models are the strong line... Which kind of "radios" will >we expect? Is the HD format an standard in Japan, China and Korea? HD-Radio is only in The United States. The rest of the World uses DRM on Medium Wave. > >A curiosity: most South America countries follow the FCC radio standars, >but we get most of our devices in Japan... A curiosity!!! South America Follows ITU Standards. W get most of our comsumer electronics from China. > >A good new: some argentinian station was failed two or three nights ago, >and I could listen a Brazilian station with a very good AM Stereo signal, >very nice (even with the typical DX noise) but with the 9 kHz space system >(I didn't know Brazil used that system, or maybe my receiver is wrong?) So, >there still are some AM Stereo station ACTIVE here. That is good news. The more World-Wide stations that use C-QUAM there are, the better. Perhaps you can roll tape on the Brazilian station for those of us who will never hear it live? North America uses the 10KC spacing, South America and the Carribian uses both 9 and 10 KC, and the rest of the World uses 9KC spacing.. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Feb 13 20:03:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21063 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2007 04:03:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2007 04:03:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.105) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2007 04:03:14 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n10.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2007 04:02:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2007 04:02:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2007 04:02:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 04:02:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000001c74f88$f3797b80$ed6d5b04@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.105 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.16 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: HD-Radio for OEM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=0yNYce8u5d2IJmus8Cw_BNa6ZqQSaXCYjTAEPKfoCOPAMItpiA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > jotape1960 wrote: > >And, if you think in the Latin America market, where the=20 Japanese, Korean=20 > >and Chinese car models are the strong line... Which kind=20 of "radios" will=20 > >we expect? Is the HD format an standard in Japan, China and Korea? >=20 > HD-Radio is only in The United States. The rest of the World uses=20 DRM on=20 > Medium Wave. > > > >A curiosity: most South America countries follow the FCC radio=20 standars,=20 > >but we get most of our devices in Japan... A curiosity!!! >=20 > South America Follows ITU Standards. W get most of our comsumer=20 electronics=20 > from China. > > > >A good new: some argentinian station was failed two or three=20 nights ago,=20 > >and I could listen a Brazilian station with a very good AM Stereo=20 signal,=20 > >very nice (even with the typical DX noise) but with the 9 kHz=20 space system=20 > >(I didn't know Brazil used that system, or maybe my receiver is=20 wrong?) So,=20 > >there still are some AM Stereo station ACTIVE here. >=20 > That is good news. The more World-Wide stations that use C-QUAM=20 there are,=20 > the better. Perhaps you can roll tape on the Brazilian station for=20 those of=20 > us who will never hear it live? North America uses the 10KC=20 spacing, South=20 > America and the Carribian uses both 9 and 10 KC, and the rest of=20 the World=20 > uses 9KC spacing.. > Hi Gang!!! Thank you so much for your comments, Amy and Possom Hunter. I'll try to get some live audio from some stereo station but I will=20 check my receiver about the frecuency signal. My device has an auto=20 tuning system with 1 kHz steps to MW. I think it's the best system=20 because it's compatible with the 10 and 9 kHz spacing systems. Maybe=20 something was wrong and it tuned that station in the wrong place, I=20 don't know, because I think Brazil and all South America use the 10=20 kHz spacing (as Amy says). If you can find an old (buy very good) PHILIPS DC888 AM STEREO car=20 receiver, don't doubt: buy it!!! Just a comment: If I can to get a live audio from some station, How=20 can I put the record on the forum if the "files" menu is full? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Feb 14 05:31:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88836 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2007 13:31:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2007 13:31:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2007 13:31:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2007 13:29:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2007 13:29:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:29:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.8.24 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: HD-Radio for OEM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=Afk4nCpkQZF-ku3Mn68dynejRfGpR6Z24Z8NQaVPeP20SnY5 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > Just a comment: If I can to get a live audio from some station, How=20 > can I put the record on the forum if the "files" menu is full? Simple! Anonymous FTP access is available at: ftp://amstereo.audio-stream.net/upload-here-please (The only directory with upload access on the site.) Once up, anyone can download from the web in the same directory at the archive site, http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/ :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amfmguy@yahoo.com Wed Feb 14 05:53:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmguy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30181 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2007 13:53:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2007 13:53:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.134) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2007 13:53:05 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2007 13:52:54 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2007 13:52:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2007 13:52:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:52:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.111.34.241 From: "M S" Subject: {AMSF} Re: HD-Radio for OEM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97335768; y=gGe1v47qYW7daMXzc7rRkdqvvu07e2MEPhHu4Y31xMWBpw X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy I know that many of us have been pre-disposed over the past while to view HD rather circumspectly. And, because its signal (e.g. on FM) must be 40dB below that of the analog signal to avoid interference, there are massive hurdles for it to surmount if it wants to garner the same audience as analog AM has built up around the world. But the same problem faces DRM, XM and Sirius. All will be faced with the task of covering all the areas as well as AM has. But, with 4 choices to make and none of them emerging even near, let alone surpassing, predominant AM and FM, everything is speculation. The fact that we use 10KHz on AM spacing and other countries use 9 is not a real concern at the O.E.M. level. The thing I get concerned about is what is happening in Canada . . that all the major radio groups are divesting themselves of AM properties. They're just too expensive to maintain in the face of a dwindling audience. In fact one is drawn to the question as to whether the audience figures would be so low if AM-stereo were a fact of life. That aside, the solution to all of these problems could be a considerably more sensitive radio. Then, ultimately, antennas could be smaller and require less real estate. More stations could be licensed as this radio would also have vastly improved selectivity. Sound impossible . . just keep your eye on the news after the NAB show. Cheers Marv FANFARE FM =20 > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > Thank you so much for your comments, Amy and Possom Hunter. >=20 > I'll try to get some live audio from some stereo station but I will=20 > check my receiver about the frecuency signal. My device has an auto=20 > tuning system with 1 kHz steps to MW. I think it's the best system=20 > because it's compatible with the 10 and 9 kHz spacing systems. Maybe=20 > something was wrong and it tuned that station in the wrong place, I=20 > don't know, because I think Brazil and all South America use the 10=20 > kHz spacing (as Amy says). >=20 > If you can find an old (buy very good) PHILIPS DC888 AM STEREO car=20 > receiver, don't doubt: buy it!!! >=20 > Just a comment: If I can to get a live audio from some station, How=20 > can I put the record on the forum if the "files" menu is full? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Feb 14 11:52:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35273 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2007 19:51:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2007 19:51:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2007 19:51:54 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.221.49]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 153594670-1881964 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:51:01 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c75072$426ecd00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <000001c74f88$f3797b80$ed6d5b04@PossumHunter> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:56:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 1, in=4, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.221.49 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD-Radio for OEM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=iSxVULWdjA-vGe52Idd9spKOQ2h_dViUPjYg1wSbtrIyj31sk6tx X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Most of the western hemisphere is poised to use the HD system. There are a few countries in Europe which are also experimenting with it on FM. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > HD-Radio is only in The United States. The rest of the World uses DRM on > Medium Wave. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Feb 14 20:58:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31695 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2007 04:57:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2007 04:57:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2007 04:57:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2007 04:56:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2007 04:56:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 04:56:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.92 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: HD-Radio for OEM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Tq1O4_nZIKzJ-uuIlvL_flqift7D2t-GYelTsSLnOPUFcv_biA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "M S" wrote: > > I know that many of us have been pre-disposed over the past while=20 to > view HD rather circumspectly. And, because its signal (e.g. on FM) > must be 40dB below that of the analog signal to avoid interference, > there are massive hurdles for it to surmount if it wants to garner=20 the > same audience as analog AM has built up around the world. But the=20 same > problem faces DRM, XM and Sirius. All will be faced with the task=20 of > covering all the areas as well as AM has. But, with 4 choices to=20 make > and none of them emerging even near, let alone surpassing,=20 predominant > AM and FM, everything is speculation. The fact that we use 10KHz=20 on AM > spacing and other countries use 9 is not a real concern at the=20 O.E.M. > level. The thing I get concerned about is what is happening in=20 Canada > . . that all the major radio groups are divesting themselves of AM > properties. They're just too expensive to maintain in the face of a > dwindling audience. In fact one is drawn to the question as to=20 whether > the audience figures would be so low if AM-stereo were a fact of > life. That aside, the solution to all of these problems could be a > considerably more sensitive radio. Then, ultimately, antennas=20 could be > smaller and require less real estate. More stations could be=20 licensed > as this radio would also have vastly improved selectivity. Sound > impossible . . just keep your eye on the news after the NAB show. >=20 > Cheers >=20 > Marv > FANFARE FM >=20 According to your words, I'm tempted to think this forum (and any=20 other kind of place about AM Stereo) is absolutely wrong driven. And=20 maybe you're right!!! But: HOW (or WHERE) TO GET AN ENGINEER GROUP PREDISPOSED TO RE-MAKE=20 THE AM BAND, with digital audio, in band on channel (but not HD or=20 DRM), with absolutely analog mono/stereo compatibility, with the=20 same coverage area, a real better sound, cheap devices and a very=20 low risk to failure? Do you have the posibility to get it? The engineers work because somebody pays their salaries. Somebody=20 pays good salaries because the business is good. The business is=20 good because it's popular and successful... Let me a question: Is it the today AM band a popular and successful=20 business? If you think the answer is: YES! Why the "engineer part" is lost? If you think the answer is: NO! Why don't to revert it? Can it be=20 reverted? While you're thinking about it, I prefer to stay listening analog AM=20 (with the hope to get more stereo stations) with music, news,=20 sports, religion, politics, etc., etc., etc. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From sub79@shortwavelog.com Mon Feb 19 18:05:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: sub79@shortwavelog.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92094 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2007 02:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2007 02:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2007 02:05:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2007 02:04:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2007 02:04:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 02:04:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <655899.91670.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.127.1.104 From: "Robert Sillett" Subject: Re: C-Quam in Radio World Feb. 14 Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272077405; y=ILyb6m6hr1LsvI5bhp3cSoq9zjg3AYvzYMDkt4unpLc7hg X-Yahoo-Profile: sillett Do you mean that the new Radio Shack (Accurian) HD radio can also decode C-Quam? Bob --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > In the "HD Radio News" section on pages 24-26, at the end of the > article on the Sangean HDT-1, there is mention that "As a bonus, the > HDT1 will decode C-Quam AM stereo, but there is no indication of this > on the panel." > > Also, in the letters section, Kevin points out that the Radio Shack > tuner also decodes C-Quam, with comments about WNMB as well. > > Not once, but C-Quam twice in an issue; that hasn't happened for a > while! > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________\ ____________ > Get your own web address. > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=3DBESTDEAL > From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Feb 19 18:13:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51716 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2007 02:13:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2007 02:13:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2007 02:13:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2007 02:13:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2007 02:13:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 02:13:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.5.116 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: C-Quam in Radio World Feb. 14 Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=d2LAF3UlU902HMzHHxs5tjuu6tZar7NxsB66His2yAy2ZS4T X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Sillett" wrote: > > Do you mean that the new Radio Shack (Accurian) HD radio can also decode > C-Quam? Some have been noted to be able to, but from the samples I've heard, I don't think it processes the stereo right... (soundsed like the I and Q were being treated as L and R, respectively, rather than (L+R) and (L-R).) Additionally, the audio is very narrow. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Feb 20 20:17:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66384 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2007 04:17:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2007 04:17:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.134) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2007 04:17:49 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2007 04:17:49 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2007 04:17:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2007 04:17:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 04:17:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.96 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: C-Quam in Radio World Feb. 14 Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=T4l5gIQt3Fowr1XebVovcrvZ6telE5oeAnjb7Eu0St-7JsfN-g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Sillett" =20 wrote: > > > > Do you mean that the new Radio Shack (Accurian) HD radio can also=20 decode > > C-Quam? >=20 > Some have been noted to be able to, but from the samples I've heard,=20 I > don't think it processes the stereo right... (soundsed like the I and > Q were being treated as L and R, respectively, rather than (L+R) and > (L-R).) Additionally, the audio is very narrow. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Hi Amy! Please, "light" my mind. If we suppose the digital AM radio will still=20 be a failure for "a" time, please, tell me: Where can we find "new"=20 (cero miles) AM Stereo receivers, now? (I'm talking about massive=20 maker devices -Sony, Philips, LG, Samsung, etc.- because I think the=20 Meduci AMAX is a very specific market device). I ask it because I'm looking for some one, here in Chile and Internet,=20 and I can't find one. I'm something scared about the fact that there are a lot of very good=20 devices WITHOUT AM BAND!!! All the "RADIO PC CARDS" have FM only, not=20 AM. So, you can note the war is very unfair. Of course, I'm tempted to think: Why don't the AM broadcasters fight=20 against the receiver makers? Do you have some answer? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Feb 21 03:45:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96634 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2007 11:45:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2007 11:45:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.107) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2007 11:45:33 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n11.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2007 11:43:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2007 11:43:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2007 11:43:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:43:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.107 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.3.4 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: C-Quam in Radio World Feb. 14 Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=EvFA3feC6xDJjHikpwGWuok9yUuNKdN11_gLvbhxYZpCK_5W X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > Hi Amy! >=20 > Please, "light" my mind. If we suppose the digital AM radio will still=20 > be a failure for "a" time, please, tell me: Where can we find "new"=20 > (cero miles) AM Stereo receivers, now? (I'm talking about massive=20 > maker devices -Sony, Philips, LG, Samsung, etc.- because I think the=20 > Meduci AMAX is a very specific market device). Japan. There are three portable receivers you can fine on Audiocubes.com. There are still a few tuners being sold new, as well as a couple car radios. Sony Japan still maintains a line of AMS receivers. As for the Meduci radios, well first off, let me explain about AMAX in a non-technical manner. If you know what THX is for theaters and home theater equipment, it's a quality standard. AMAX is to AM what THX is to theaters. It's a minimum performance standard. Very few radios have ever been marketed as AMAX-compliant- The Sony SRF-42 pocket AMS receiver as well as the GE SupeRadio II (mono AM) are the best known and were great sellers. Both were AMAX-compliant radios. Both were mass-market radios. Both sold in the hundreds of thousands to millions. :) Jeff's Meduci AMS radios (that makes tywo versions of the AMX-2000 that I know of) aren't just for a niche market- Though here even in the US, AMS is, sadly, a niche. He sells to anyone interested from his website. The $125 tuner can be used as an external tuner with any audio system with "AUX" inputs and it's easy to use. The $325 tuner was designed to be a broadcasting monitor, but still well within the range of anyone interested. I don't know if Jeff will offer anything in between, or add a "boombox" version, or even a pocket receiver, but I believe in his dedication on making a quality product for anyone at an affordable price, never compromising or sacrificing. I've known him for years. I trust him. I believe in what he does. :) =20 > I ask it because I'm looking for some one, here in Chile and Internet,=20 > and I can't find one. See above. What are you looking for in a receiver? > I'm something scared about the fact that there are a lot of very good=20 > devices WITHOUT AM BAND!!! All the "RADIO PC CARDS" have FM only, not=20 > AM. So, you can note the war is very unfair. WinRadio does AM. There is even a C-QUAM DSP patch, if I recall. Some even support third-party DRM software. There is also the RadioSHARK from Griffin Technologies. So no- Not all PC radios are FM-only.... > Of course, I'm tempted to think: Why don't the AM broadcasters fight=20 > against the receiver makers? >=20 > Do you have some answer? Some do. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 21 19:50:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19040 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2007 03:49:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m38a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2007 03:49:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.210) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2007 03:49:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 25574 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2007 03:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@76.215.218.118 with login) by smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2007 03:48:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rHDieuQVM1nuecxLuRxr9JJiDNkxS27fn_I5wDajvVePnH1ck_YHG18NC7BTDOfE.fX2pHY1K_0ICs39ni8HK6AoMas2lNP8NNAdDPUbdnBAQgFI7ow.jju.eklwglDnKTUkRoZESmc4MWA- Message-ID: <000e01c75634$4e77a320$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:48:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: Hi Jaun X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=Yd93chaDGEB6e_Bjiyz_ndQMB4mQYGO9cf3uwYIko6iciNVTARad-bClfAwqNnx5zLQ0xIdJ X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Juan You can go to www.amstereo.tk click on the radios link and then click on Sony SRF A300 and it will take you right to Audiocubes order page and like wise with all the Sonys on that page. If there is any one of ear shot of KTRB AM 860 please email them at listen@ktrb860.com tell them that thay are sounding good but you want a good music format in AM STEREO. Thay want any budys input before 3-1-2007. Talk to you to all soon. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Feb 21 20:11:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10123 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2007 04:09:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2007 04:09:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.102) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2007 04:09:52 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n9.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2007 04:09:39 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2007 04:09:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2007 04:09:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 04:09:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.51 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: C-Quam in Radio World Feb. 14 Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=kpkpJMi4fD7hGHorpoi_yjYug-RLEExLyHrxKL7-67R0vuDfag X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: >=20 > > Hi Amy! > >=20 > > Please, "light" my mind. If we suppose the digital AM radio will=20 still=20 > > be a failure for "a" time, please, tell me: Where can we=20 find "new"=20 > > (cero miles) AM Stereo receivers, now? (I'm talking about=20 massive=20 > > maker devices -Sony, Philips, LG, Samsung, etc.- because I think=20 the=20 > > Meduci AMAX is a very specific market device). >=20 > Japan. >=20 > There are three portable receivers you can fine on Audiocubes.com. > There are still a few tuners being sold new, as well as a couple=20 car > radios. Sony Japan still maintains a line of AMS receivers. >=20 > As for the Meduci radios, well first off, let me explain about=20 AMAX in > a non-technical manner. If you know what THX is for theaters and=20 home > theater equipment, it's a quality standard. AMAX is to AM what THX=20 is > to theaters. It's a minimum performance standard. Very few radios=20 have > ever been marketed as AMAX-compliant- The Sony SRF-42 pocket AMS > receiver as well as the GE SupeRadio II (mono AM) are the best=20 known > and were great sellers. Both were AMAX-compliant radios. Both were > mass-market radios. Both sold in the hundreds of thousands to=20 millions. :) >=20 > Jeff's Meduci AMS radios (that makes tywo versions of the AMX-2000 > that I know of) aren't just for a niche market- Though here even in > the US, AMS is, sadly, a niche. He sells to anyone interested from=20 his > website. The $125 tuner can be used as an external tuner with any > audio system with "AUX" inputs and it's easy to use. The $325 tuner > was designed to be a broadcasting monitor, but still well within=20 the > range of anyone interested. I don't know if Jeff will offer=20 anything > in between, or add a "boombox" version, or even a pocket receiver,=20 but > I believe in his dedication on making a quality product for anyone=20 at > an affordable price, never compromising or sacrificing. I've known=20 him > for years. I trust him. I believe in what he does. :) >=20=20 > > I ask it because I'm looking for some one, here in Chile and=20 Internet,=20 > > and I can't find one. >=20 > See above. What are you looking for in a receiver? >=20 > > I'm something scared about the fact that there are a lot of very=20 good=20 > > devices WITHOUT AM BAND!!! All the "RADIO PC CARDS" have FM=20 only, not=20 > > AM. So, you can note the war is very unfair. >=20 > WinRadio does AM. There is even a C-QUAM DSP patch, if I recall.=20 Some > even support third-party DRM software. >=20 > There is also the RadioSHARK from Griffin Technologies. >=20 > So no- Not all PC radios are FM-only.... >=20 > > Of course, I'm tempted to think: Why don't the AM broadcasters=20 fight=20 > > against the receiver makers? > >=20 > > Do you have some answer? >=20 > Some do. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Thank you so much, Amy!!! You're always a "lighthouse" to people like me. I love AM and, if you help me, I wanna start a real war against=20 the "BAD" AM receivers. My idea is to get all new radio receiver=20 with the best AM quality (mono or stereo). Am I asking too much? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 22 12:50:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75473 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2007 20:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2007 20:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.204) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2007 20:50:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 45684 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2007 20:50:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.41.74.227 with login) by smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2007 20:50:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: cTxIrsMVM1nBGPlHwZfuBxYyX9ag4TmKIKKwl3JqnqgMZukmyvdnROrBwACHv9wr60QCYUqnWMyvpFd8tIOKGzeWs9fJizSzfFzlUUXuNgykH6vWWp3x9KRCJL71AhdGczj5BbOzDIkx1ys- Message-ID: <001301c756c3$22296c60$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:50:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: KTRB AM 860 50 kw music box X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=RHB1MJ6ITbI_5ud3JTZqHpwqLHx90u5fum8w3AJ7RSXvyGYd6X8Q48bM6p8HLVbKrLrQ0Doa X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang It seems no one is excited about KTRB AM 860 50 kw flame throuher music box. WOW!!!! Has things got that bad here on the forum? If any body is interested in what thay are going to with it please wriite them at listen@ktrb860.com or dose any one care any more. My self i am very glad to hear oldies bay area bands from the 60's and 70's but i guess thats just me. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Feb 22 13:18:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34345 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2007 21:15:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2007 21:15:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2007 21:15:06 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.235.249.36.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.235.249.36] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HKLDg-0002j6-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:11:17 -0500 Message-ID: <046301c756c5$dace55d0$e06f5b04@PossumHunter> To: References: <001301c756c3$22296c60$20a4fea9@jimsmith> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:10:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KTRB AM 860 50 kw music box X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=v4HJTM3qn_rlR7ZgcLMHJq5Vv-VM57jcHJ1O2xPDxkxHB_Ugt912eblNqhTl6g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 I wish I could hear it here. 860 is Cuban in this neck of the woods. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 3:50 PM Subject: {AMSF} KTRB AM 860 50 kw music box > Hi Gang It seems no one is excited about KTRB AM 860 50 kw flame throuher > music box. WOW!!!! Has things got that bad here on the forum? If any > body is interested in what thay are going to with it please wriite them at > listen@ktrb860.com or dose any one care any more. My self i am very glad > to hear oldies bay area bands from the 60's and 70's but i guess thats > just me. Jim Smith From kya1260@lycos.com Thu Feb 22 16:45:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59194 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2007 00:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2007 00:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.135) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2007 00:41:02 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2007 00:39:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2007 00:39:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2007 00:39:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 00:39:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001301c756c3$22296c60$20a4fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.105.239.84 From: "YIPEitsDJJ" Subject: Re: KTRB AM 860 50 kw music box X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=GPVK7AqqXjtqdiY1bsCiNWzHDYpJ955XgDMZMK1rJPE1Rx9-Dw X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Hi, Jim...=20 Actually, KTRB has been 'stunting' with the 'San Francisco Rock=20 Sound' since February 1, and will have its permanent format set to go=20 on March 1, reportedly...=20 I heard back in October from a former engineer associated with KTRB=20 that it would be Spanish, but in talking of with various radio geeks=20 like me, it seems that KTRB will go 'Adult Standards,' somewhat like=20 KTRB's sister-station KMPH 840 in Modesto has...=20 Stay tuned!=20 --jay=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang It seems no one is excited about KTRB AM 860 50 kw flame=20 throuher music box. WOW!!!! Has things got that bad here on the=20 forum? If any body is interested in what thay are going to with it=20 please wriite them at listen@... or dose any one care any more. My=20 self i am very glad to hear oldies bay area bands from the 60's and=20 70's but i guess thats just me. Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 22 20:17:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19012 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2007 04:17:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2007 04:17:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.59) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2007 04:17:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2007 04:14:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2007 04:14:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 04:14:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.19.158.171 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: KTRB AM 860 50 kw music box X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=pbxid3z7Qj-2sVD2bhKzRks_HAOjI5d3VYpCtQ7fY6zawUoKcdSSKegezV9qz1pWFwYBIbX2 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "YIPEitsDJJ" =20 wrote: > > Hi, Jim...=20 > Actually, KTRB has been 'stunting' with the 'San Francisco Rock=20 > Sound' since February 1, and will have its permanent format set to=20 go=20 > on March 1, reportedly...=20 > I heard back in October from a former engineer associated with KTRB=20 > that it would be Spanish, but in talking of with various radio=20 geeks=20 > like me, it seems that KTRB will go 'Adult Standards,' somewhat=20 like=20 > KTRB's sister-station KMPH 840 in Modesto has...=20 > Stay tuned!=20 > --jay=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > Hi Gang It seems no one is excited about KTRB AM 860 50 kw flame=20 > throuher music box. WOW!!!! Has things got that bad here on the=20 > forum? If any body is interested in what thay are going to with it=20 > please wriite them at listen@ or dose any one care any more. My=20 > self i am very glad to hear oldies bay area bands from the 60's and=20 > 70's but i guess thats just me. Jim Smith > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Hi Finly a little feed back!!! Jesus christ man i did not want to=20 sound like i was biching about hear but guess what i am a member to=20=20 here!!!! Thank you for your responce yipeitsjjdd ???? and Possum=20 Hunter .I throught that i would have never sean for the most part=20 the unabalevable responce about a 50 kw AM station playing music. Me=20 and 2 other guys are durling over it. All i can do is keep sugesting=20 AM STEREO and hopfully in english music format out side of grunge=20=20 rap and just about anything after 1985. Thank you 2 guys. Jim Smith From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 22 20:31:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76097 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2007 04:31:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2007 04:31:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2007 04:31:04 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2007 04:30:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2007 04:30:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 04:30:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.19.158.171 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: KTRB AM 860 50 kw music box X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=YZ7Njkg1xFb91L5atxepYPNuGWY_9WFjCSb0TfTV3Hr_p9Cz1ko-PfBF1CEv-1LabbcsThAq X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "YIPEitsDJJ" =20 > wrote: > > > > Hi, Jim...=20 > > Actually, KTRB has been 'stunting' with the 'San Francisco Rock=20 > > Sound' since February 1, and will have its permanent format set=20 to=20 > go=20 > > on March 1, reportedly...=20 > > I heard back in October from a former engineer associated with=20 KTRB=20 > > that it would be Spanish, but in talking of with various radio=20 > geeks=20 > > like me, it seems that KTRB will go 'Adult Standards,' somewhat=20 > like=20 > > KTRB's sister-station KMPH 840 in Modesto has...=20 > > Stay tuned!=20 > > --jay=20 > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > > > Hi Gang It seems no one is excited about KTRB AM 860 50 kw=20 flame=20 > > throuher music box. WOW!!!! Has things got that bad here on the=20 > > forum? If any body is interested in what thay are going to with=20 it=20 > > please wriite them at listen@ or dose any one care any more. My=20 > > self i am very glad to hear oldies bay area bands from the 60's=20 and=20 > > 70's but i guess thats just me. Jim Smith > > >=20 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Hi Finly a little feed back!!! Jesus christ man i did not want to=20 > sound like i was biching about hear but guess what i am a member=20 to=20=20 > here!!!! Thank you for your responce yipeitsjjdd ???? and Possum=20 > Hunter .I throught that i would have never sean for the most part=20 > the unabalevable responce about a 50 kw AM station playing music.=20 Me=20 > and 2 other guys are durling over it. All i can do is keep=20 sugesting=20 > AM STEREO and hopfully in english music format out side of grunge=20=20 > rap and just about anything (NOT) after (BUT BEFORE) 1985. Thank=20 you 2 guys. Jim Smith > From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Feb 22 21:26:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18433 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2007 05:26:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2007 05:26:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.170) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2007 05:26:13 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n8.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2007 05:26:08 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2007 05:26:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2007 05:26:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 05:26:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001301c756c3$22296c60$20a4fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.46.3 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: KTRB AM 860 50 kw music box X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=Sw3sCpGYqElJ6mMVlQ6zNieV3DoH1d3OybUa0M24h1rN41XE X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang It seems no one is excited about KTRB AM 860 50 kw flame throuher music box. WOW!!!! Has things got that bad here on the forum? If any body is interested in what thay are going to with it please wriite them at listen@... or dose any one care any more. My self i am very glad to hear oldies bay area bands from the 60's and 70's but i guess thats just me. Jim Smith Jim, not that many of us here, it seems, are on the west coast. I just haven't had a chance this week to check them out, yet. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 22 21:50:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60499 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2007 05:50:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2007 05:50:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.59) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2007 05:50:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2007 05:50:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2007 05:50:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 05:50:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.19.158.171 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: KTRB AM 860 50 kw music box X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=yf_XJ2wLX9yeQYb5Qvbu7srpH3eQKrcY7pE3q9YLtsg-UFGjwSc9BHt9i2Obi6SKbcgNVr-v X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > Hi Gang It seems no one is excited about KTRB AM 860 50 kw flame > throuher music box. WOW!!!! Has things got that bad here on the > forum? If any body is interested in what thay are going to with it > please wriite them at listen@ or dose any one care any more. My > self i am very glad to hear oldies bay area bands from the 60's and > 70's but i guess thats just me. Jim Smith >=20 > Jim, not that many of us here, it seems, are on the west coast. I just > haven't had a chance this week to check them out, yet. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Hi Amy Oh !!!!! I guess you have a good point. I hope you can hear=20 them. If you can hear them you know what to do right??? Bage like dog=20 for AM STEREO 24-7 DJ staff thats in charge of the music format=20 holefully in english. Some one hear said some thing about a spanish=20 station i was hopeing for some english music to brake up the dead ass=20 boring AM band hear in the valley. Here is a up date about KCTC AM=20 1320. On Monday Feb 26 2007 AM 1320 will be ESPN AM 1320 with 24-7=20 sports. Another buy by ABC. Thay killed KRAK AM 1470!!!!! That was the=20 last feq. thay went and died at because of ABC. Good night gang and=20 Amy. Jim Smith From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Feb 23 05:22:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90488 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2007 13:22:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2007 13:22:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2007 13:22:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 17492 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Feb 2007 13:21:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: qlUy9A0VM1lOXQiIieCp7GNVdvCrJeIrsiXxi3Ek2tAV076.MFAfmGhNqgbzHXK19UP1giLxNLuHpcb7c8I3QP6LAl0UDV.Uzi1tDCVVhWtJZaiyAt4kQlpkwwqbwRvkldcwhyX3HP4- Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 05:21:32 PST Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 05:21:32 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <743133.16326.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: AT40 Thursday Night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=Hu6Ykhk0E3xPJyXpiIS-BGGSM9CTdiAid3jkZ4G_eG_djAhwUzI8A9c X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Anyone happen to catch the "American Top40" program from 1988 on XM Channel 8 Thursday night? You know the part where Casey Kasem mentions the names of 3 stations carrying the show, he listed the first one as "AM STEREO....in Vermont - didn't catch the call letters, but it was neat to hear it refered to as an AMS station! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Feb 23 09:40:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39158 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2007 17:39:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2007 17:39:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.37) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2007 17:39:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 45644 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Feb 2007 17:39:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: TJ6lF4YVM1mga5zClj4UzAx__iBgLWticPAaFmzeBM2PzdyofhIvovHOnzdORS28oYpB_J8LeYQ5rImudbhKlPeyCn6Wo4hJw9.jrH5oN.K3Kprg.Aw2UmvJB0jpvSJFiQLxcsvi Received: from [74.226.200.32] by web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:39:03 PST Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:39:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <743133.16326.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <946680.42852.qm@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} AT40 Thursday Night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=78nf-rme_w44UmL-djV8iJA3KBVDy2wofrcxN2Iyid7xdV_Ew2Q4 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I caught it, thought it was pretty neat! Ha! --- "John P." wrote: > Anyone happen to catch the "American Top40" program > from 1988 on XM > Channel 8 Thursday night? You know the part where > Casey Kasem mentions > the names of 3 stations carrying the show, he listed > the first one as > "AM STEREO....in Vermont - didn't catch the call > letters, but it was > neat to hear it refered to as an AMS station! > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at > www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 From jjlehmann@comcast.net Fri Feb 23 13:59:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82637 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2007 21:55:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2007 21:55:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO alnrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.225.91) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2007 21:55:59 -0000 Received: from dhpp0db1 (c-24-218-84-51.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.218.84.51]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc11) with SMTP id <20070223212400b1100lf65ke>; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:24:00 +0000 To: Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:23:59 -0500 Message-ID: <003c01c75790$ef09ea20$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <743133.16326.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcdXTa9jbdcmdob2T0yrpuSs4Cdc2wAQyiog X-Originating-IP: 204.127.225.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} AT40 Thursday Night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394; y=QkGh01E1FaT9GFVq4f96Vq3Zu1GUsrQnFYnyBMHljUM X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I actually recorded the AT40 show last night! I'll have to go through the recording and see if I can find the AM Stereo mention. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA _____ From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John P. Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 8:22 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} AT40 Thursday Night Anyone happen to catch the "American Top40" program from 1988 on XM Channel 8 Thursday night? You know the part where Casey Kasem mentions the names of 3 stations carrying the show, he listed the first one as "AM STEREO....in Vermont - didn't catch the call letters, but it was neat to hear it refered to as an AMS station! __________________________________________________________ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Feb 23 14:16:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89527 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2007 22:16:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2007 22:16:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2007 22:16:37 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.63]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 155456688-1881964 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:14:51 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c75798$e3e30520$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:20:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet ip=64.61.220.63 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KTRB AM 860 50 kw music box X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=R6jAbpH_Bcu8exNcEn-0y_kWEaCNi46xqc1W98LNPa2HzfQexbEL X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude They're so directional it's not likely you will hear them. Still I do hope it will be a music format and that they'll go AM stereo. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > Hi Gang It seems no one is excited about KTRB AM 860 50 kw flame > throuher music box. > Jim, not that many of us here, it seems, are on the west coast. I just > haven't had a chance this week to check them out, yet. From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Fri Feb 23 18:40:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6977 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2007 02:40:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2007 02:40:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2007 02:40:19 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2007 02:39:27 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2007 02:39:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2007 02:39:27 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 02:39:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.2.165.219 From: "Tom" Subject: Re: KTRB AM 860 50 kw music box X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=_gxKRFMvWjOj8l6JecUEqXpgq5r0Y_kVvTiCN7qlxl4USe7RTky9mhrT X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Well, people aren't too excited because they are going to be a=20 news/talk station. The music is only temporary, plus it's in MONO.... Tom From kya1260@lycos.com Fri Feb 23 21:52:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22274 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2007 05:52:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2007 05:52:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.56) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2007 05:52:46 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2007 05:52:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2007 05:52:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 05:52:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.105.239.84 From: "YIPEitsDJJ" Subject: Re: KTRB AM 860 50 kw music box X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=D53ajJt4xjKdyBLgP17SH565VKx7-KiS6rUHXNNWy081O1HMvA X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > Thank you for your responce yipeitsjjdd ???? and Possum=20 > Hunter . You're welcome, Jim... Tom, is that for certain KTRB is going news/talk?!?!? OY...that's all San Francisco needs is another news/talker... At least they will NOT go IBOC, although someone tells me KTRB's=20 sister-station, 840 KMPH Modesto, HAS gone IBOC!! I'm still trying to figure why very-directional 1570 KCVR, Lodi=20 (Stockton), went IBOC on their Spanish format...any ideas, Jim? I hear that this Monday KCTC, indeed, will be Sacramento's first 24/7=20 sports station, dropping Air America Radio. Alas, they won't be going=20 back to AM Stereo, so it's a good thing I taped KCTC on my Sony CFS- 6000 for Amy Mousie two years ago... BTW, Jim, the moniker you questioned (YIPE its DJJ), is from my Yahoo=20 address and not the lycos.com one that I'm supposed to be on...I know=20 we've had another Jay or two come aboard the Forum... In fact, I'm having trouble with rich text formatting on Lycos, which=20 won't let me send mail to the Forum like I used to; it keeps bouncing=20 back (Lycos has changed things for the WORST since they revamped last=20 Summer), so I may be re-joining the Forum under another address, if=20 that's okay, Kevin... Thanks! --jay arnold "DJ Jay" From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 24 03:08:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40519 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2007 11:08:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2007 11:08:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.220) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2007 11:08:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2007 11:07:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2007 11:07:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 11:07:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.8.230.240 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: KTRB AM 860 50 kw music box X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=_bdmY5Jt0_NONAOrZNolMh174qoq0F_LFFBFzxUn56LhsdHPZ6ZSTLjlLC4PJE7dLoasrjHj X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" wrote: > > Well, people aren't too excited because they are going to be a=20 > news/talk station. The music is only temporary, plus it's in MONO.... >=20 > Tom > Hi Tom Part of me says the same thing . But thay are asking for=20 request for a format to put on the air. I put my 2 cents in and said=20 music with a 24-7 DJ staff that picks the music thay play. (not likely) But it at least it is fun to e mail your own request for a format. Jim=20 Smith From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 24 03:35:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40102 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2007 11:35:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2007 11:35:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.108) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2007 11:35:51 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n11.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2007 11:34:25 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2007 11:34:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2007 11:34:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 11:34:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.108 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.8.230.240 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: KTRB AM 860 50 kw music box X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=xS8HBK78CKUKiMtNEQhAwwcZJ_qg6g5nFr7HLDDdgz17vKdtrP7SbZzAYxdwLGQpkawHbEXS X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "YIPEitsDJJ" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Thank you for your responce yipeitsjjdd ???? and Possum=20 > > Hunter . >=20 > You're welcome, Jim... > Tom, is that for certain KTRB is going news/talk?!?!? > OY...that's all San Francisco needs is another news/talker... > At least they will NOT go IBOC, although someone tells me KTRB's=20 > sister-station, 840 KMPH Modesto, HAS gone IBOC!! > I'm still trying to figure why very-directional 1570 KCVR, Lodi=20 > (Stockton), went IBOC on their Spanish format...any ideas, Jim? >=20 > I hear that this Monday KCTC, indeed, will be Sacramento's first=20 24/7=20 > sports station, dropping Air America Radio. Alas, they won't be=20 going=20 > back to AM Stereo, so it's a good thing I taped KCTC on my Sony CFS- > 6000 for Amy Mousie two years ago... >=20 > BTW, Jim, the moniker you questioned (YIPE its DJJ), is from my=20 Yahoo=20 > address and not the lycos.com one that I'm supposed to be on...I=20 know=20 > we've had another Jay or two come aboard the Forum... >=20 > In fact, I'm having trouble with rich text formatting on Lycos,=20 which=20 > won't let me send mail to the Forum like I used to; it keeps=20 bouncing=20 > back (Lycos has changed things for the WORST since they revamped=20 last=20 > Summer), so I may be re-joining the Forum under another address, if=20 > that's okay, Kevin... >=20 > Thanks! > --jay arnold > "DJ Jay" > Hi Jay I did not know your name so that was the only thing i had to=20 go by. I kind of knew that once KCTC AM 1320 lost there music format=20 that would be it. Way way back in the late 70's and very early 80's=20 AM 1320 was news and talk with KCRA AM 1320 and then in the early=20 80's thay change calls to KGNR AM 1320 but stade news talk for a wile=20 than after that thay went music in AM STEREO . It was kind of like a=20 eazy rock station untill 1990. Then thay went to KCTC SUNNY 1320 and=20 the rest i think you all know. You must live closer to Stockton Ca=20 than me. I can't get AM 840 i have a AM 830 closer to me. Well its=20 been fun and its been real and its been rael fun but its all most bed=20 time. So good morning gang ang good to meat you Jay. Jim Smith Penryn=20 Ca From kya1260@lycos.com Sat Feb 24 09:22:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43656 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2007 17:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2007 17:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.31) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2007 17:22:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2007 17:21:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2007 17:21:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:21:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.105.239.84 From: "YIPEitsDJJ" Subject: Re: KTRB AM 860 50 kw music box X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=duGbelM71yPhcQm8K3TR4UUx4yvTELiZ-mCPYLyVZdNbjGVCDQ X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Yo, Jim... Thanks for the note;=20 Ah, I figured, based on past notes you've sent in my few years in the=20 forum, that you were based somewhere east of Sacto... I'm in Napa Valley, so I'm able to hear some of the signals from the=20 valley...=20 Is 950 KAHI still oldies, or have they gone all talk by now? Can't=20 hear that station well here, and I haven't traversed to your area of=20 late to really hear it... KCTC/KCRA 1320, for many years, was engineered by Jim Balcom (now=20 retired), who truly gave a d*** about AM Stereo, and it showed!! I=20 met Jim in February 1986, when his assistant engineer, Alan McCarthy,=20 sold me KCTC's Lafayette LA-74 Quadraphonic Amp and Pioneer QD-240 CD- 4 demodulator - both which I still have and enjoy!! Those were in use during KCTC's quad days in the mid-1970s, when KCTC=20 was 'FM Stereo 96'... It's sad that, even though the numbers were still high for KCTC a=20 coupla years ago, they dropped the music (and AM Stereo)...I predict=20 that ESPN Radio 1320 will still have Arbitron numbers near 1.0, even=20 if they get the Oakland A's from KSAC 1240... Which reminds me: The A's flagship station, KKCY 1550 or K-YOU=20 Interactive Radio (the old Top-40 KOBY in the 1950s) had a zero point=20 zero rating in the Fall Arbitron. Just a zero point four the Summer=20 book before...man, is AM hurting THAT bad where a contending team=20 like the A's can't get listeners?? KMPH 840, apparently, is VERY directional 5,000 watts in the day, but=20 should open up at night. At least the night signal does open to the=20 west and southwest, also at 5,000 watts. KMPH is airing a mishmosh of=20 programming: standards in the morning and part of the afternoon, a=20 few brokered shows elsewhere in the day, and foreign programming=20 (Asian?) at night...I hear it will be all 'standards' soon, as the=20 person programming KMPH also programs KTRB, the 50-kw blow torch in=20 S F O... Stay tuned! --jay ********************** --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" =20 wrote: > Hi Jay I did not know your name so that was the only thing i had=20 to=20 > go by. I kind of knew that once KCTC AM 1320 lost there music=20 format=20 > that would be it. Way way back in the late 70's and very early 80's=20 > AM 1320 was news and talk with KCRA AM 1320 and then in the early=20 > 80's thay change calls to KGNR AM 1320 but stade news talk for a=20 wile=20 > than after that thay went music in AM STEREO . It was kind of like=20 a=20 > eazy rock station untill 1990. Then thay went to KCTC SUNNY 1320=20 and=20 > the rest i think you all know. You must live closer to Stockton Ca=20 > than me. I can't get AM 840 i have a AM 830 closer to me. Well=20 its=20 > been fun and its been real and its been rael fun but its all most=20 bed=20 > time. So good morning gang ang good to meat you Jay. Jim Smith=20 Penryn=20 > Ca > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Feb 24 14:13:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73714 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2007 22:13:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2007 22:13:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2007 22:13:07 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.221.10]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 156145065-1881964 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:13:04 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004101c75861$d0d15440$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:19:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet ip=64.61.221.10 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KTRB AM 860 50 kw music box X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=8W9HA_A5rgFOnTr9MCSTbs6MpA85poDtOXUenO8xwduqw-TXcA8a X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I hate to say this, but most stations which ask for listener input like that aren't sincere. They've already got a format in mind and it's a ruse to make people think they care, so when the final format does emerge those that voted for something else might think they were outvoted. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim smith" > Hi Tom Part of me says the same thing . But thay are asking for > request for a format to put on the air. I put my 2 cents in and said > music with a 24-7 DJ staff that picks the music thay play. (not likely) > But it at least it is fun to e mail your own request for a format. Jim > Smith From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Feb 24 16:12:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32738 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2007 00:06:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2007 00:06:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.21) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2007 00:06:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2007 00:05:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2007 00:05:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 00:05:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002901c75798$e3e30520$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.49.21 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: KTRB AM 860 50 kw music box X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=vXTL7VAIZ5n9zFI5uqeke6EWnH00mPER7BNMaA8_GNdoB6_0 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > They're so directional it's not likely you will hear them. Still I do hope > it will be a music format and that they'll go AM stereo. I just checked them out last night. It's the strongest of three contending stations (with KPAM talk of Portland, OR and CBC Radio 1 from mPrince Ruper, BC- The northernmost radio station I've received yet!), playing a "San Francisco Sound" format- Classic rock with jazz, all from San Francisco artists and groups, mostly of the '60s and '70s, with bumpers proclaiming this format. When strongest and least interfered by the other two stations, it is indeed STRONG and CLEAR....and yes, MONO, even on my SRF-A100. I listened to them for an hour or so, with songs like the Beau Brummels' "Laugh :augh", a cut from one of Steve Miller's albums, a Janis Joplin track (after earlier playing one of her Big Brother & The Holding Company tracks) and so forth. All that was between 3-4am, PST. :) And yes, their COL was proudly announced as being from San Francisco. And it was mentioned between every 2-3 songs. Not just hits, but album tracks, especially focusing on the heyday of the '50s and '70s, with a good dose of psychedelic rock... :) If they made this a permanent format- unlikely, though- it would definitely be refreshing to hear at night. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Who is keeping an ear out for the changing local SCA radio scene- California's North Coast finally has an SCA service that just started in January, and up until now, the carrier was only on for 90 minutes in the mornings for a local reading service for the blind- Now, the SCA carrier is on full-0time currently rebroadcasting the main carrier audio of its host station, KHSU 90.5, Arcata, CA.) From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 25 02:26:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64197 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2007 10:25:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2007 10:25:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.132) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2007 10:25:59 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2007 10:25:58 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2007 10:25:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2007 10:25:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:25:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.20.189.199 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: KTRB AM 860 50 kw music box X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=0ZB_zYIjsF_vwm1i_Ijl2KZ-GxyH7WUssNskQl8F-FQtANM7xIOIki3TLNRQg2nuK0_2y4-j X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "YIPEitsDJJ" =20 wrote: > > Yo, Jim... > Thanks for the note;=20 > Ah, I figured, based on past notes you've sent in my few years in=20 the=20 > forum, that you were based somewhere east of Sacto... > I'm in Napa Valley, so I'm able to hear some of the signals from=20 the=20 > valley...=20 > Is 950 KAHI still oldies, or have they gone all talk by now? Can't=20 > hear that station well here, and I haven't traversed to your area=20 of=20 > late to really hear it... >=20 > KCTC/KCRA 1320, for many years, was engineered by Jim Balcom (now=20 > retired), who truly gave a d*** about AM Stereo, and it showed!! I=20 > met Jim in February 1986, when his assistant engineer, Alan=20 McCarthy,=20 > sold me KCTC's Lafayette LA-74 Quadraphonic Amp and Pioneer QD-240=20 CD- > 4 demodulator - both which I still have and enjoy!! >=20 > Those were in use during KCTC's quad days in the mid-1970s, when=20 KCTC=20 > was 'FM Stereo 96'... >=20 > It's sad that, even though the numbers were still high for KCTC a=20 > coupla years ago, they dropped the music (and AM Stereo)...I=20 predict=20 > that ESPN Radio 1320 will still have Arbitron numbers near 1.0,=20 even=20 > if they get the Oakland A's from KSAC 1240... >=20 > Which reminds me: The A's flagship station, KKCY 1550 or K-YOU=20 > Interactive Radio (the old Top-40 KOBY in the 1950s) had a zero=20 point=20 > zero rating in the Fall Arbitron. Just a zero point four the Summer=20 > book before...man, is AM hurting THAT bad where a contending team=20 > like the A's can't get listeners?? >=20 > KMPH 840, apparently, is VERY directional 5,000 watts in the day,=20 but=20 > should open up at night. At least the night signal does open to the=20 > west and southwest, also at 5,000 watts. KMPH is airing a mishmosh=20 of=20 > programming: standards in the morning and part of the afternoon, a=20 > few brokered shows elsewhere in the day, and foreign programming=20 > (Asian?) at night...I hear it will be all 'standards' soon, as the=20 > person programming KMPH also programs KTRB, the 50-kw blow torch in=20 > S F O... >=20 > Stay tuned! > --jay > ********************** > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" =20 > wrote: > > Hi Jay I did not know your name so that was the only thing i had=20 > to=20 > > go by. I kind of knew that once KCTC AM 1320 lost there music=20 > format=20 > > that would be it. Way way back in the late 70's and very early=20 80's=20 > > AM 1320 was news and talk with KCRA AM 1320 and then in the early=20 > > 80's thay change calls to KGNR AM 1320 but stade news talk for a=20 > wile=20 > > than after that thay went music in AM STEREO . It was kind of=20 like=20 > a=20 > > eazy rock station untill 1990. Then thay went to KCTC SUNNY 1320=20 > and=20 > > the rest i think you all know. You must live closer to Stockton=20 Ca=20 > > than me. I can't get AM 840 i have a AM 830 closer to me. Well=20 > its=20 > > been fun and its been real and its been real fun but its all most=20 > bed=20 > > time. So good morning gang and good to meat you Jay. Jim Smith=20 > Penryn=20 > > Ca > > > Hi Jay Yes i am a Placer County Ca naitive. Borned In Auburn Ca=20 rased in Penryn Ca. I am about 5 miles SW from Auburn Ca. Wow you=20 where there when the good old days of KGRN AM STEREO 1320. I loved=20 that station. I do remember KCTC FM 96.1 but did not listen much=20 though. Sounds like a format change is comeing for AM 1550,i wished=20 that CBS would have sold that station insted of KFRC AM 610. I can=20 get 1550 AM at night better.KAHI AM 950 is only oldies on the week=20 ends sadly do to the buget at the station.KTRB AM 860 was a great=20 station in the 80's with a blasting AM STEREO signal form Modesto=20 Ca clssic county it was a great station back then to untill thay=20 droped there music format and went spanish a more resont talk about=20 teo nail finguss and worts on your butt. Some boring radio.So you say=20 you got a inside on the format. Say can you put a bug in his ear that=20 some us out hear miss the old KTRB AM STEREO 860 with county format=20 till 1985. Well i guess you mite have a eye cramp by now. Talk to=20 you soon Jay Jim Smith From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 25 02:44:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8812 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2007 10:44:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2007 10:44:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.31) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2007 10:44:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2007 10:44:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2007 10:44:07 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:44:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.20.189.199 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: KTRB AM 860 50 kw music box X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=AsfBhRhlvcuKvpO_x-GiXETCNHcrLy9Rgmgz-qLXjp2SkDP_ISezkKWwXL3pzqiduR0KzJCe X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > > > They're so directional it's not likely you will hear them. Still=20 I > do hope > > it will be a music format and that they'll go AM stereo. >=20 > I just checked them out last night. It's the strongest of three > contending stations (with KPAM talk of Portland, OR and CBC Radio 1 > from mPrince Ruper, BC- The northernmost radio station I've received > yet!), playing a "San Francisco Sound" format- Classic rock with=20 jazz, > all from San Francisco artists and groups, mostly of the '60s and > '70s, with bumpers proclaiming this format. When strongest and least > interfered by the other two stations, it is indeed STRONG and > CLEAR....and yes, MONO, even on my SRF-A100. I listened to them for=20 an > hour or so, with songs like the Beau Brummels' "Laugh :augh", a cut > from one of Steve Miller's albums, a Janis Joplin track (after=20 earlier > playing one of her Big Brother & The Holding Company tracks) and so=20 forth. >=20 > All that was between 3-4am, PST. :) >=20 > And yes, their COL was proudly announced as being from San=20 Francisco. > And it was mentioned between every 2-3 songs. >=20 > Not just hits, but album tracks, especially focusing on the heyday=20 of > the '50s and '70s, with a good dose of psychedelic rock... :) If=20 they > made this a permanent format- unlikely, though- it would definitely=20 be > refreshing to hear at night. :) >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > (Who is keeping an ear out for the changing local SCA radio scene- > California's North Coast finally has an SCA service that just=20 started > in January, and up until now, the carrier was only on for 90 minutes > in the mornings for a local reading service for the blind- Now, the > SCA carrier is on full-0time currently rebroadcasting the main=20 carrier > audio of its host station, KHSU 90.5, Arcata, CA.) > Hi Amy That would be nice to me allso if thay kept this format and=20 exspanded it to more bands between 50's to the 70's.But Jay says that=20 it mite be adult standards. So all we can do is wait and see what=20 happens and allso hope AM STEREO to but i kind of dout that now. I am=20 glad that you can hear it allso Amy. Are you getting any snow at=20 2:40 AM Sunday morning. It has been good to talk to you all. Good=20 Morning. Jim Smith From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Feb 25 13:48:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28954 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2007 21:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2007 21:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.29) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2007 21:47:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 35088 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Feb 2007 21:37:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: PKA9uWwVM1nKxvxQ.7BZpJpG5guIEeMyGkApGDzJlg_rt1Ndh0jZe3oLYNbqUzkVFbH8x4l4leYJW2GG5bJ2HoHhWwgSysw5TIM6q6Nv_HY1Dx8IZLCHPVlibPggb0wtjaD7aJq5 Received: from [74.226.200.32] by web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:37:29 PST Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:37:29 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <407737.34941.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=yq9_CAdDzw0dWKQoubt7E5qk3q5dc6BU-4O_kSOxolB7_U0nlvVF X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I have a question for the reel to reel experts on the forum. Which brand, model, etc of reel to reel was a direct drive mechanism with no belts at all and was a good unit? I'd like to know. I've been considering one if I could find one I liked. Does anyone know about this? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Feb 25 13:56:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78390 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2007 21:56:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2007 21:56:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (71.246.190.195) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2007 21:56:40 -0000 Received: from in4web.com (unverified [127.0.0.1]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.4.543.15) with ESMTP id for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:56:00 -0500 X-Modus-BlackList: 127.0.0.1=OK;ccuff@in4web.com=OK X-Modus-RBL: 127.0.0.1=Excluded X-Modus-Trusted: 127.0.0.1=NO X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Message-ID: X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 2, 6 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:56:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Originating-IP: 71.246.190.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "ccuff@in4web.com" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613; y=nqOguOgqUVaeOBmfH4dt_ovG2gNfX__MBIUttR542Qi1eZnWVBToRv4V X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Get a Pioneer RT-707 or RT-909- low profile, full logic controls, direct drive. Great tape decks! Chris ------- Original Message ------- From : clemsonbloke[mailto:clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk] Sent : 2/25/2007 4:37:29 PM To : amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc : Subject : RE: {AMSF} Question I have a question for the reel to reel experts on the forum. Which brand, model, etc of reel to reel was a direct drive mechanism From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Feb 25 13:59:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52646 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2007 21:59:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2007 21:59:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.32) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2007 21:59:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 81531 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Feb 2007 21:58:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: vKL1Da0VM1n9QAcUp.B1wmOJ5IowLZ_0t46F6qsoT3ENRBEOzMn8d5UNqonV0U4cyCuuXKnqrtKwNaZJlK1nYa4kIXklNyt73g_qWpsZ2u4HJZwiTh4udko7sxN_rDI00GXKzRs7 Received: from [74.226.200.32] by web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:58:11 PST Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:58:11 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <483771.80348.qm@web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: RE: {AMSF} Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=uvQqJQ-sqMAyg-0VmUfwhz4ZxjEh9kb6TCxYdr6H3HEVAXhlCP3f X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Chris Pretty expensive? I've seen that 909 before with the blue meters, didnt realise it was direct drive. I thnk the 707 was more popular though. I'd like to have one but they are hard to find and for a good price. Also want it to be in good shape. Any other models that you know of? --- "ccuff@in4web.com" wrote: > > Get a Pioneer RT-707 or RT-909- low profile, full > logic controls, direct drive. Great tape decks! > Chris > > > ------- Original Message ------- > From : > clemsonbloke[mailto:clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk] > Sent : 2/25/2007 4:37:29 PM > To : amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Cc : > Subject : RE: {AMSF} Question > > I have a question for the reel to reel experts on > the > forum. Which brand, model, etc of reel to reel was > a > direct drive mechanism > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! 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( [75.24.12.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id f10sm6088830pyh.2007.02.25.14.07.43; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:07:44 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.3.061214 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:07:41 -0500 To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Question Thread-Index: AcdZKV4QnJofJMUcEdu55wADk639Qg== In-Reply-To: <407737.34941.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Matt Patoray Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272439332; y=cBRmO4smz4GxuBb6SCaOAfA29-D1nXTaVG24jY0q7QKCgYA X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_patoray Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK, I=B9ll chime in here. Otari MX-5050 MK II or newer. 4 head (3 1/2 track 1 1/4 track for playback) 3 motor Servo direct drive 7.5/15 IPS play/record switchable to 3.75/7.5 NAB/IEC II equalization XLR I/O including mic with 10/20/0 dB pad no phantom power though Remote controllable(wired) Dolby/DBX rec switching Plus built like a tank,and front panel eq/bias adjustment with built in 10 kHz/1 kHz osc Or if you have the money Ampex AG-440c or Sony APR 5001 Matt On 2/25/07 4:37 PM, "clemsonbloke" wrote: >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20 > I have a question for the reel to reel experts on the > forum. Which brand, model, etc of reel to reel was a > direct drive mechanism with no belts at all and was a > good unit? I'd like to know. I've been considering > one if I could find one I liked. Does anyone know > about this?=20=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Music Unlimited > Access over 1 million songs. > http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited >=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 25 16:16:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12999 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2007 00:16:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m37a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2007 00:16:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.208) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2007 00:16:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 5784 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2007 00:16:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.41.74.71 with login) by smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2007 00:16:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: nLZqZuYVM1k_Wn5S94sif8SFYZgrIkdceDTv02VYJ74YlBwnNhaB19sjkAuvajwoyHGOy8VLHyIouViMMwAMvY_KVC7Xtz.NfhcHFiGIeh0RU9PPd2wvq2mpLsKFwzsDCMH.eWfXeLQJcQ-- Message-ID: <001001c7593b$6f3f2420$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:16:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: REEL to REEL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=vOJ2ryzv9NOU3CMwNYnC52tBi2A3JvwnTE9Wl8xdnMhWENdEhOs8gEQWR-BVdNXf9M5AqDhU X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Sorry about my blow up before. I had for got that alot of you are out of towners and i have some personal stuff going on right now allso. I would like to know where can you get tapes for REEL to REELs. I kind of dout I POD Shack. Sorry agan gang. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Feb 25 16:18:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47264 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2007 00:18:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2007 00:18:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.29) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2007 00:18:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 79427 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Feb 2007 00:18:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FdFcbOcVM1m_etXwGMACkhM9E14Li7tn1.BMo920cyAAAtigJYIm0x._fMRYCOKJfSOcj9Wt3m8o8Ipihj4BV0bTqXN.ajtP1wIXyWru7z_z_CxhjpixkXUWJ5AT58fEXzWB2ebv Received: from [74.226.200.32] by web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:18:24 PST Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:18:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001001c7593b$6f3f2420$20a4fea9@jimsmith> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <982324.77232.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} REEL to REEL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=IEzPshvmIHsce96QpI08mXTZyBD28UMWrtaF5ON0Jln8g8M0c3zd X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Order them direct from Quantegy (used to be Ampex) online. They still have a full line. --- jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hi Gang Sorry about my blow up before. I had for > got that alot of you are out of towners and i have > some personal stuff going on right now allso. I > would like to know where can you get tapes for REEL > to REELs. I kind of dout I POD Shack. Sorry agan > gang. Jim Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From mspproductions@gmail.com Sun Feb 25 16:58:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mspproductions@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28151 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2007 00:57:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2007 00:57:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.162.232) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2007 00:57:49 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id j2so1196728nzf for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:57:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:user-agent:date:subject:from:to:message-id:thread-topic:thread-index:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type; b=fzgFYOyQGgA3WC8scz2ydjxEmrJ57WR3AE8EFFusu+jSPOSPCGykwXvOg4Ee/jecfq+JI5Xl4759uxW1sh0dvJ/Ad1WHcL5OukYgX8jcinhPJM1y/3aH5MJfMN6BUsipP44+lZRIcKrZYT4CSdD+MrmymDimNj7gbJl77QB6W2k= Received: by 10.65.147.1 with SMTP id z1mr7232535qbn.1172451467855; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:57:47 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [75.24.12.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id m1sm4841559nzf.2007.02.25.16.57.46; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:57:47 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.3.061214 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:57:44 -0500 To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} REEL to REEL Thread-Index: AcdZQR+GXhYRdsU0Edu55wADk639Qg== In-Reply-To: <982324.77232.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Matt Patoray Subject: Re: {AMSF} REEL to REEL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272439332; y=ciMyZtOi-iTgqSupqLI9jGxglUSUaceffVwpSeq4Bqp0VvA X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_patoray Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Quantegy is getting out of the tape business but there are a lot of bargains on there site. RGMI Magnetics is now making the classic BASF/AFGA/EMTEC formulations, available through US recording media, and ATR Magnetics is coming out with a high end mastering tape soon. http://www.quantegy.com http://www.usrecordingmedia.com/ http://www.atrmagnetics.com Matt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Feb 25 17:30:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52111 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2007 01:30:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2007 01:30:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.31) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2007 01:30:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 40468 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Feb 2007 01:18:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lRwTh3kVM1mZnX8vUSuKRAt89M0CsX0sctWXxtzpkgIkS17CUOTI_rogLGmNBT8l.jjEF8LvNlh1Gn2mU1L_iAiUfFIp8H9iYCuomDcSRww59Vc8Rz3GH.hQPZdERFgutr94bbT4 Received: from [74.226.200.32] by web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:18:54 PST Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:18:54 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <920570.36357.qm@web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} REEL to REEL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=Prs-2yJCivmaj8kx8dx2J-TkTrNnCJ_T4RoG50Xyo7kcHyp-wdQ7 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Yeah but did ATR ever get their website up and running or is the company still "coming soon"? It was like that forever, is it still like that? --- Matt Patoray wrote: > > > Hi, > > Quantegy is getting out of the tape business but > there are a lot of bargains > on there site. RGMI Magnetics is now making the > classic BASF/AFGA/EMTEC > formulations, available through US recording media, > and ATR Magnetics is > coming out with a high end mastering tape soon. > > http://www.quantegy.com > http://www.usrecordingmedia.com/ > http://www.atrmagnetics.com > > Matt > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Feb 25 17:53:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72431 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2007 01:53:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m37a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2007 01:53:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.28) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2007 01:53:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 25382 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Feb 2007 01:20:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20070226012050.25380.qmail@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: DlQGfYIVM1kR5v4dmwcKWOz6ujDyhMQCUEdFD.G3rEcqFMmTGt48OO5CCekaEj5bwNuPsToAYH624tJcyWhvIQLDbYFA920drydfGGIPtWlo6nqXisUUPRJlDuCNZKm3_1Yo27w- Received: from [74.226.200.32] by web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:20:50 PST Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:20:50 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Just like I thought X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=I_ga_DybT01sbCWcxVJpwFgHpj-oFFkAuof55hyT2OcD89UBwA4P X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke ATR's website still isn't functional. You can click on products but it does nothing. I wouldn't trust it until I could order online from them. I'm starting to have my doubts that company is ever going to open. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Feb 25 22:40:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72687 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2007 06:40:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2007 06:40:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.105) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2007 06:40:33 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n10.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2007 06:40:32 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2007 06:40:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2007 06:40:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 06:40:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <920570.36357.qm@web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.105 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.96 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} REEL to REEL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=M4FxpnPNkiGN0Tbq4wBLPkscDQR91Uwxu_yC6ws4aMs9Z0lXwA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I've always used MAXELL tapes. I think you can get it from their=20 website (www.maxell.com, the same site you can get CDs, DVDs, MDs,=20 DATs, etc.) About Reel-to-Reel direct drive machines, I have the honour to work=20 with two very, very, very good devices: STUDER-REVOX PR-99 MKII and=20 REVOX B77, both from Switzerland, both machines have 3 3/4 and 7 1/2=20 IPS, two tracks, two separate channels and direct drive capstain=20 (quartz controlled DC motor). This machines are from 1982, but they're=20 still working so fine today!!! I don't know if Studer-Revox still=20 makes it but the company is still alive (www.revox.com). I worked with a Tascam 3032 machine some day (1978-79) and I think=20 it's a very good machine too. Of course, I think it's discontinued now. If you ask me, I've always thinked the Reel-to-Reel machines was, and=20 still are, the best analog recording media ever invented. It's my humble opinion. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon Feb 26 18:07:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68703 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2007 02:07:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m39a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2007 02:07:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2007 02:07:45 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.221.127]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 156265578-1881964 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:05:48 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c75a14$ab2f5480$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <982324.77232.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:11:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.221.127 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} REEL to REEL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=g1ttrctQxPs4tpES3Ct-Z2YO0_GTW9ael1R1OpIjY9IVKQdTpcjv X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Still have a few boxes of 635 on 10-1/2" reels for the price of postage if anyone wants any. If you need 7" you'll have to send a quantity of empties for me to spool some onto. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "clemsonbloke" > Order them direct from Quantegy (used to be Ampex) > online. They still have a full line. > > --- jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net wrote: > > > Hi Gang Sorry about my blow up before. I had for > > got that alot of you are out of towners and i have > > some personal stuff going on right now allso. I > > would like to know where can you get tapes for REEL > > to REELs. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon Feb 26 18:07:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71406 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2007 02:07:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2007 02:07:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2007 02:07:50 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.221.127]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 156265935-1881964 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:07:25 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c75a14$e4dec940$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <407737.34941.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:13:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=2, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.221.127 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=EcL65ozmjuqTZ_D_vhShJJ-Mw3JfcxjyTArxE1FPZAMfswEtVOjl X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Revox A-77. If the speed is uncontrollably fast look for a shorted tantalum cap in the speed board. Otherwise good units. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "clemsonbloke" > I have a question for the reel to reel experts on the > forum. Which brand, model, etc of reel to reel was a > direct drive mechanism with no belts at all and was a > good unit? I'd like to know. I've been considering > one if I could find one I liked. Does anyone know > about this? From kya1260@lycos.com Mon Feb 26 18:30:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88977 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2007 02:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2007 02:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.114) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2007 02:30:53 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2007 02:30:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2007 02:30:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2007 02:30:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 02:30:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.226.195.179 From: "YIPEitsDJJ" Subject: Re: Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=EszxerNjAaVRdPd2mcymTMS1NMnkx167SiViF1wWfXoTpeq4sw X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ I agree with Matt - most of the NorCal radio stations where I worked=20 in the 1990s had Otari MX-5050s; you can take a sledge-hammer to 'em=20 and they won't skip a beat... --jay --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Matt Patoray=20 wrote: > > OK, I=B9ll chime in here. >=20 > Otari MX-5050 MK II or newer. >=20 > 4 head (3 1/2 track 1 1/4 track for playback) > 3 motor Servo direct drive > 7.5/15 IPS play/record switchable to 3.75/7.5 > NAB/IEC II equalization > XLR I/O including mic with 10/20/0 dB pad no phantom power though > Remote controllable(wired) > Dolby/DBX rec switching >=20 > Plus built like a tank,and front panel eq/bias adjustment with=20 built in 10 > kHz/1 kHz osc >=20 > Or if you have the money Ampex AG-440c or Sony APR 5001 >=20 > Matt >=20 >=20 > On 2/25/07 4:37 PM, "clemsonbloke" wrote: >=20 > >=20=20 > >=20=20 > >=20=20 > >=20 > > I have a question for the reel to reel experts on the > > forum. Which brand, model, etc of reel to reel was a > > direct drive mechanism with no belts at all and was a > > good unit? I'd like to know. I've been considering > > one if I could find one I liked. Does anyone know > > about this?=20=20 > >=20 > > __________________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Music Unlimited > > Access over 1 million songs. > > http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited > >=20=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Feb 26 18:47:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49884 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2007 02:47:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2007 02:47:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.27) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2007 02:47:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 99812 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Feb 2007 02:47:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _YnqfwgVM1lDWYz8gb16Ozw_x0uBLOXuFYvGkCcTaUrAdhdneN.uyMfQwWHCz4KIMhTUCv.NPiXP6fEajdI6YDHS.A_7tHkjcUnGRUmJ9nOAq8OiS_yvEEFHre8_T6cDvu4fLF59SsNdrKI- Received: from [74.226.200.32] by web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:47:21 PST Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:47:21 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <496360.97731.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} REEL to REEL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=2-VVSLViYem9JyUIk8hIfdVqPSNmwifS9obDXpl3KT72rWRl-8Nm X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke No doubt, they are the best. --- jotape1960 wrote: > Hi Gang!!! > > I've always used MAXELL tapes. I think you can get > it from their > website (www.maxell.com, the same site you can get > CDs, DVDs, MDs, > DATs, etc.) > > About Reel-to-Reel direct drive machines, I have the > honour to work > with two very, very, very good devices: STUDER-REVOX > PR-99 MKII and > REVOX B77, both from Switzerland, both machines have > 3 3/4 and 7 1/2 > IPS, two tracks, two separate channels and direct > drive capstain > (quartz controlled DC motor). This machines are from > 1982, but they're > still working so fine today!!! I don't know if > Studer-Revox still > makes it but the company is still alive > (www.revox.com). > > I worked with a Tascam 3032 machine some day > (1978-79) and I think > it's a very good machine too. Of course, I think > it's discontinued now. > > If you ask me, I've always thinked the Reel-to-Reel > machines was, and > still are, the best analog recording media ever > invented. > > It's my humble opinion. > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Feb 26 18:57:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53555 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2007 02:57:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2007 02:57:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.36) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2007 02:57:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 7590 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Feb 2007 02:57:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20070227025725.7588.qmail@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: nqK6s7IVM1ngppZfTxZnFEjTn6GjbFgeiL8TC1R1t7SfmJC9vWWFlJS7rq5npdi98K.SK1peiIvxTxrpyooUYnyG3ogaZhce_z2czpnKS8OffwssrLN5c2DPOTbNrkJ3ZuG5etIS Received: from [74.226.200.32] by web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:57:24 PST Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:57:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002d01c75a14$ab2f5480$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} REEL to REEL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=DELLJvnpSTHcQANEeOi-gyXlf9AKr65q6vyitKJ4_E9stsD79tVG X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Scott, I still might take you up on that when I order some more 7 inch blank reels. -Kev --- Scott Todd wrote: > Still have a few boxes of 635 on 10-1/2" reels for > the price of postage if > anyone wants any. If you need 7" you'll have to > send a quantity of empties > for me to spool some onto. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "clemsonbloke" > > > > Order them direct from Quantegy (used to be Ampex) > > online. They still have a full line. > > > > > --- jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net wrote: > > > > > Hi Gang Sorry about my blow up before. I had > for > > > got that alot of you are out of towners and i > have > > > some personal stuff going on right now allso. I > > > would like to know where can you get tapes for > REEL > > > to REELs. > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Feb 26 19:07:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34528 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2007 03:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2007 03:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.27) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2007 03:07:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 4729 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Feb 2007 03:06:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zyAQHy8VM1lX57MBxvKnqE1q6RJNLfTZSN9T2mBDOcwCWMI8qWlxdJ425apQxTbChAZVHNldI6icHtZybg4BBANLNuAV4gW75G1_SlF6Xh.2LT3.US814c2Sfmp7C1ygkvbIKtHn Received: from [74.226.200.32] by web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:06:46 PST Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:06:46 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <650156.4252.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=KjcxYQ5dSFd7wONqDbi1gCEmu9UCOdqmrZyCxsR4dTYojbpS_hT5 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Yeah but they break the bank at $5000 for a new one! --- YIPEitsDJJ wrote: > I agree with Matt - most of the NorCal radio > stations where I worked > in the 1990s had Otari MX-5050s; you can take a > sledge-hammer to 'em > and they won't skip a beat... > --jay > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Matt Patoray > wrote: > > > > OK, I¹ll chime in here. > > > > Otari MX-5050 MK II or newer. > > > > 4 head (3 1/2 track 1 1/4 track for playback) > > 3 motor Servo direct drive > > 7.5/15 IPS play/record switchable to 3.75/7.5 > > NAB/IEC II equalization > > XLR I/O including mic with 10/20/0 dB pad no > phantom power though > > Remote controllable(wired) > > Dolby/DBX rec switching > > > > Plus built like a tank,and front panel eq/bias > adjustment with > built in 10 > > kHz/1 kHz osc > > > > Or if you have the money Ampex AG-440c or Sony APR > 5001 > > > > Matt > > > > > > On 2/25/07 4:37 PM, "clemsonbloke" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a question for the reel to reel experts > on the > > > forum. Which brand, model, etc of reel to reel > was a > > > direct drive mechanism with no belts at all and > was a > > > good unit? I'd like to know. I've been > considering > > > one if I could find one I liked. Does anyone > know > > > about this? > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > Yahoo! Music Unlimited > > > Access over 1 million songs. > > > http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Feb 26 19:20:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77489 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2007 03:20:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2007 03:20:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2007 03:20:12 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.109.149.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.109.149]) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HLspA-0006Sy-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:16:23 -0500 Message-ID: <45E3A271.7000104@peoplepc.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:16:01 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <650156.4252.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <650156.4252.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=POXzyzNM5XxAGGATIVi5sMsfAwPGl1R4lvepYDViD19REnrzUFhhRzQOAcGS4w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 clemsonbloke wrote: > Yeah but they break the bank at $5000 for a new one! Nah, it will fit right in with your "Reference Stereo System" LOL That little price shouldn't be a problem...Swipe that credit card. Kevin in the Ocala National Forest From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Feb 26 21:48:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5830 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2007 05:48:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2007 05:48:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.40) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2007 05:48:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 44806 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Feb 2007 05:48:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 9jAX2hYVM1lhdXjchjrO1_pBNiQ5yT3Xp5n2KAq5uz9ts4WqdVZK4DDQk9thElPBpQ-- Received: from [74.226.200.32] by web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:48:02 PST Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:48:02 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <45E3A271.7000104@peoplepc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <152959.44335.qm@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=feM-8SaKb9bOdkNdNoZcYKrFl8ZrKamsfVijNx52SdM1wX5Q3Gz- X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Kevin, The point is I need an extra, not one fit for a recording studio. Besides analog tape (reel to reel) may not be around much longer with the dimise of Quantegy tape. Oh yeah we keep hearing that ATR is coming but i'll believe it when I see it. As for my system yes it is and all bought new and I enjoy it quite immensely. Hope you're enjoying your dreamcatcher( sony dream system - ain't nothing dreamy about those!) --- Possum Hunter wrote: > clemsonbloke wrote: > > Yeah but they break the bank at $5000 for a new > one! > > Nah, it will fit right in with your "Reference > Stereo System" LOL That > little price shouldn't be a problem...Swipe that > credit card. > > > Kevin in the Ocala National Forest > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 From mspproductions@gmail.com Mon Feb 26 22:56:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mspproductions@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4531 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2007 06:56:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2007 06:56:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.162.238) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2007 06:56:39 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id q3so1510284nzb for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:56:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:user-agent:date:subject:from:to:message-id:thread-topic:thread-index:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type; b=t1zQdo/nYyeNXgmpuvxuqRWeHrjZMbH3oztyySrv2p1fT+Flp1YIXvNKbjyMYwzpzKu1Wc5qm243hId99WV8ki6WZZVCvP9fSpPnjPkX+PUlIEIyv2QhbFTwwpSO2k6fnPVrWxsbxIaMctROJU4iMbdeNJH9c6RD02IUjogSiEg= Received: by 10.35.106.15 with SMTP id i15mr13939802pym.1172559364985; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:56:04 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [75.24.12.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id n44sm9105513pyh.2007.02.26.22.56.04; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:56:04 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.3.061214 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 01:56:02 -0500 To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Re: Question Thread-Index: AcdaPFe+lj5uWsYvEduJVgADk639Qg== In-Reply-To: <45E3A271.7000104@peoplepc.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.238 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Matt Patoray Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272439332; y=lc06SwHpZgMId0gLv1PqgbVTAcMXQB8U60eOGhqcAjf8XEw X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_patoray Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, Just go on ePay and get one, if you need parts I have a few capstan motors and other parts. If someone is looking for a project I have a mostly complete first gen mx-5050 that got beat up in shipping. matt On 2/26/07 10:16 PM, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > > > > > clemsonbloke wrote: >> > Yeah but they break the bank at $5000 for a new one! > > Nah, it will fit right in with your "Reference Stereo System" LOL That > little price shouldn't be a problem...Swipe that credit card. > > Kevin in the Ocala National Forest > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Feb 27 10:00:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28504 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2007 18:00:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2007 18:00:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2007 18:00:40 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.235.248.199.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.235.248.199]) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HM6Yw-00064i-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:56:31 -0500 Message-ID: <45E470C0.8090808@peoplepc.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:56:16 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <152959.44335.qm@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <152959.44335.qm@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=Ibe77Ylvv_iibvTAmOwpVrKBOyzR387Y8Kc11lIA4n4Yj7HdxfAVBaccLXG1KA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 clemsonbloke wrote: > Hope you're enjoying your Sony Dream System Yes, it does a GREAT job as my bedroom stereo and DVD player. It fits perfectly into the space I have and has had no problems since the rep[air and modifications. Kevin From beefus100@yahoo.com Wed Mar 07 06:29:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: beefus100@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67155 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2007 14:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2007 14:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.107) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2007 14:29:55 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n11.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2007 14:29:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2007 14:29:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2007 14:29:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 14:29:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.107 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.68.127.38 From: "Jack" Subject: Motorola AM stereo Model 1400 Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=235489308; y=IY1vMG1eVYc0qSeMqcZkkEhJv3ITvoaZAIyVGYtQ1ueNNj0p X-Yahoo-Profile: beefus100 Hello, I have acquired a Motorola 1400 AM stereo exciter that I plan=20 to restore. Anyone have a spare manual or know of a source?=20 I plan to use the exciter with a low power AM transmitter for music throughout the house. Thanks, Jack From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Mar 07 10:23:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8167 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2007 18:23:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2007 18:23:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2007 18:23:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 68625 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Mar 2007 18:22:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 68wDadoVM1nbuM.2yCkRXZTPLIls.kvzdeUiS5YeGNvWZ5yPN.eQlgJylUffKIQvJIKPTr8ehPHf1fTcpNeXkIcHbDkBDA3tJVnCI5OkjIchWXdOcZnM04GrFKUzDC0kEfvyXYzLfZI3z171MzOFcA-- Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Mar 2007 10:22:08 PST Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:22:08 -0800 (PST) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <287291.68270.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Radiosophy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=68LCKXe5gdsG0NDKEax1Qye212-vkD5qjQ0AhZy0J6ymztvEME92LTc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hey gang, the Radiosophy is finally here! Anybody know if it decodes C-Quam, or Kahn, or CAM-D? Or if we can get the software to change it ourselves? Anyone contacted Radiosophy about this question? 73 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Mar 07 11:19:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74070 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2007 19:18:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2007 19:18:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2007 19:18:45 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.221.151]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 156579202-1881964 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2007 13:16:48 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <005901c760ee$11f06a80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <287291.68270.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 13:23:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=2, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.221.151 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radiosophy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=hmaNJ_5DE1VS13E3hrzMKhQ1drgt7OmbHtdUjRAtsiBsoox2kUyK X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I can't directly answer your questions, but why not email them and tell them you listen to WLS and want to hear them in digital during the day and CQUAM at night? Ask if there's a way to add code to the system and how. Tell them you're also interested in adding code for DRM. In the mean time I'll have to see if I can get the CQUAM code from Greg Buchwald. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 12:22 PM Subject: {AMSF} Radiosophy > Hey gang, the Radiosophy is finally here! Anybody know if it decodes > C-Quam, or Kahn, or CAM-D? Or if we can get the software to change it > ourselves? Anyone contacted Radiosophy about this question? > 73 > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. > Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. > http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Mar 09 03:47:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85848 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2007 11:47:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2007 11:47:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54003.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.227) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2007 11:47:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 42197 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Mar 2007 11:47:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20070309114724.42195.qmail@web54003.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: qxJT2FQVM1lsY7abueotC1NDnovWKtqqPX0_AZrxVLMhc6VJ6bmACnnoKtwwrFNLI20HtObv8LwEXN6wWDNUOUFeumcIhf8GK0YCuamhgCxx0.qYUfYJFKf7E4rQwr3TiWNKqE3k8sB3WgfZInLLtIqo_A-- Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 03:47:24 PST Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 03:47:24 -0800 (PST) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: WLYN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=L99dYCjjj4zETOTkUoEAnYHOZCRDBh5Gxf-BJYxaCWz92anqDNVZ X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio From the Radio Info Boston board For those who follow such things: WLYN will not return to AM stereo broadcasting. We switched over to a new transmitter several months ago, and did not transfer over the stereo generator. The old BE transmitter will become a back-up, the new BE transmitter will be in daily use, but in mono L+R, only. We still have a pair of 15K telco loops to get the WLYN audio from thew Woburn studios to Lynn. One circuit will become the primary one, the other will be a back-up. As most of our programs now come from remote locations (either telco loops or internet streams), a large part of our program schedule would be in mono anyway. The only true AM stereo was from programs originating in our studios. (maybe 25% of the total time) Despite the fact that WLYN is no longer stereo, the audio sounds especially good these days. Check it out! Thanks to station engineer Grady Moates. You da man! Jeff Kline General Manager WLYN/WAZN ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Mar 09 15:21:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17341 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2007 23:21:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2007 23:21:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2007 23:21:54 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.221.73]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 157070726-1881964 for ; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:21:53 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c762a2$a6b12640$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 17:28:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet ip=64.61.221.73 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola AM stereo Model 1400 Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=ECt81vp3WZdf3WSuaBbLcrz4_DPw_q1KewS8k1bvpgsQ_V0PxDMW X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Got a 1400 myself and would also like to find a manual. Suspect we'll have to try the professional broadcast forums to see if anyone there has one, though. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" > I have acquired a Motorola 1400 AM stereo exciter that I plan > to restore. Anyone have a spare manual or know of a source? From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Mar 09 17:40:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77794 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2007 01:40:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2007 01:40:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2007 01:40:10 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.221.73]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 159048165-1881964 for ; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 19:40:05 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a201c762b5$f512c880$d503fea9@stodd> To: Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 19:46:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.221.73 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: loop antennas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=WWeHAyb4VeDYZzGc9jRHJ-1T3MZKK0GxIBKW3C7TusvdK5ZrR-3- X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since we were recently on the topic of loop antennas, this page is probably one of the best on the web: http://www.mindspring.com/~loop_antenna/ IIRC, the page's author was a participant in some past AM stereo pages. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Mar 09 20:49:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20537 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2007 04:49:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2007 04:49:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2007 04:49:50 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2007 04:49:08 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2007 04:49:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2007 04:49:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 04:49:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003d01c762a2$a6b12640$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.112 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola AM stereo Model 1400 Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=T6aN33FhNIW7POnseat1K34TPqLt5oJ7s9s0dkEf63my5CgtEQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > Got a 1400 myself and would also like to find a manual. Suspect=20 we'll have > to try the professional broadcast forums to see if anyone there=20 has one, > though. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Jack" >=20 >=20 > > I have acquired a Motorola 1400 AM stereo exciter that I plan > > to restore. Anyone have a spare manual or know of a source? > Bad luck guys!!! I looked for it into the Motorola official web page=20 and they don't have anything related with AM STEREO. In other words:=20 they invented the worst system, they got the FCC's approve and now=20 they leave all the AM STEREO world orphan!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!! Such is=20 life!!! But there is another AM Stereo Exciter in the web, with all the=20 manuals: the ASE-1 from Delta Electronics. It's a chance. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Fri Mar 09 21:11:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52135 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2007 05:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m41a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2007 05:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.137) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2007 05:11:28 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.162.79]) by bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 9 Mar 2007 21:09:25 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 21:09:25 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 76.1.232.254 by BAY108-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 05:09:22 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 00:11:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Mar 2007 05:09:25.0883 (UTC) FILETIME=[45E7ECB0:01C762D2] Return-Path: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola AM stereo Model 1400 Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=Z-GiC-4z3C8BUShq6cGd51paA8NfWX9YtoHaqo_Gn7iU X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Just uploaded this. hope it helps... http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/files/upload-here-please/Electronics%20-%20%20Motorola%201300%20AM%20C-QuAM%20Exciter%20and%201310%20Monitor%20Manual%28Sans%20Schematics%29.pdf Directory Link... http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/files/upload-here-please/ Thank You, ----------------------------------------------- Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" To: Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 11:49 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola AM stereo Model 1400 Exciter --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > Got a 1400 myself and would also like to find a manual. Suspect we'll have > to try the professional broadcast forums to see if anyone there has one, > though. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack" > > > > I have acquired a Motorola 1400 AM stereo exciter that I plan > > to restore. Anyone have a spare manual or know of a source? > Bad luck guys!!! I looked for it into the Motorola official web page and they don't have anything related with AM STEREO. In other words: they invented the worst system, they got the FCC's approve and now they leave all the AM STEREO world orphan!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!! Such is life!!! But there is another AM Stereo Exciter in the web, with all the manuals: the ASE-1 from Delta Electronics. It's a chance. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Mar 09 22:50:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92359 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2007 06:50:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2007 06:50:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.127) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2007 06:50:40 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2007 06:47:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2007 06:47:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2007 06:47:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 06:47:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.127 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.16.59 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola AM stereo Model 1400 Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=OmGjMOp-ervrWyAVKxjfKDwNxXIY_WM4vu0D-ZMpXzep9V1V X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" wrote: > > Just uploaded this. hope it helps... > http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/files/upload-here-please/Elec= tronics%20-%20%20Motorola%201300%20AM%20C-QuAM%20Exciter%20and%201310%20Mon= itor%20Manual%28Sans%20Schematics%29.pdf TinyURL! works wonders: http://tinyurl.com/2fp4fr Just FYI, that's for the 1300 & 1310, not 1400. =20 > Directory Link... > http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/files/upload-here-please/ Or, if you get a directory error, try this: http://tinyurl.com/254wuf Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Mar 10 01:32:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25819 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2007 09:32:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2007 09:32:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao107.cox.net) (68.230.241.39) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2007 09:32:02 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20070310093158.WTZF321.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 04:31:58 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.4] ([68.4.50.99]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id YxXy1W00A28Qjxw0000000; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 04:31:58 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <1B2B15E3-1EEE-4F85-83E4-8A3E2EDB954D@cox.net> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 01:31:58 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola AM stereo Model 1400 Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=pCdGTJ570l9xbqH0wHlg8hmKOj5X0fsLXnKVJS12FTRcU641SexeuwTxnA2G X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It wasn't the worst. It worked quite well. It is AM that is dead. Stereo has little to do with it. On Mar 9, 2007, at 8:49 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > In other words: > they invented the worst system, they got the FCC's approve and now > they leave all the AM STEREO world orphan!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!! Such is > life!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Thu Mar 15 21:44:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85096 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2007 04:44:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2007 04:44:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.20.164) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2007 04:44:57 -0000 Received: from webmail47.nyc.untd.com (webmail47.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.187]) by smtpout06.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABC9WGUBAL4SU82 for (sender ); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:17:05 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLI8vtSYm3ZcyJ4u73uLu0TU= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail47.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MGW6FQ9H; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:16:40 PST Received: from [69.234.220.201] by webmail47.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 04:16:27 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 04:16:27 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20070315.201640.7754.1822387@webmail47.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 12:6:2474944793 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.187|webmail47.nyc.untd.com|webmail47.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.20.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: FCC to Vote on Final IBOC Rules X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=jiAepdxlzWnHIwWbzK1jdsUQdGLbQ32LG7gv4mgrlQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn FCC to Vote on Final IBOC Rules =20 3.16.2007=20=09 The commission is set to vote on the final authorization for IBOC next Thursday, March 22 =97 its next open public meeting. According to a notice issued late Thursday, the agency will consider: "Digital Audio Broadcasting Systems and Their Impact on the Terrestrial Radio Broadcast Service (MM Docket No. 99-325)." A summary of the item reads: "he commission will consider a Second Report and Order, First Order on Reconsideration, and Second Further Notice of Proposed Rulemaking concerning service rules and other requirements for radio stations broadcasting digital audio." The FCC last had the final IBOC rules on its agenda for the July 2006 meeting; those items were taken off the agenda on the day of the meeting as the commissioners wrapped up a vote on a telecom merger. At that time, engineering sources believed AM nighttime as well as multicast authorization would be included in the final regs. Currently AMs can only broadcast in HD Radio during the day and stations need an STA to split their digital signals. One source told RW Online tonight he still believes AM nighttime and multicasting is covered in the item. Calls to the FCC were not returned at presstime. IBOC proponents hope FCC passage of real rules for terrestrial digital radio service will entice manufacturers and stations that have been remaining on the sidelines of the HD Radio conversion to join in. At the NAB Radio Show, when asked about the status of the final regs., Democratic Commissioner Jonathan Adelstein explained he and his colleagues were deliberating appropriate public service obligations for the new digital authorizations and that no technical problems remained to be discussed. The FCC issued the IBOC item and requested comments on April 15, 2004. The item is one of 13 on the agenda for March 22. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Mar 16 06:27:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45606 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2007 13:27:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2007 13:27:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.162) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2007 13:27:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 26192 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Mar 2007 13:27:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: p9_5m1cVM1lmhQotJc..Y2wyMfci.W5PGIcRzktKoYelyUdF2p9Q6Dq82EMQjQZZF_NkkapUQK.M2YszLFbqQtLw8P01Qd9qhPyDO6lTeHbPP229Ecme4woBINqtPOFj7QbNFNXV4_EX45uVMvs. Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 06:27:01 PDT Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 06:27:01 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <77917.25712.qm@web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re:FCc to Vote on Final IBOC Rules X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=3GGxAkUvRavcUKmwgxqg1a7Tz4HJBpFKYs_scSowsnymdQJBKLK6dX8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Don wrote: "...The commission is set to vote on the final authorization for IBOC next Thursday, March 22 — its next open public meeting..." Wish I had a plane ticket to Washington, and one for Leonard Kahn too, so we could both make sure that the FCC is clear about adjacent channel interference 20KHz below and 20KHz above the IBOC AM frequency, and how horrible it was at night during the 1530AM testing! ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 From castellano105@yahoo.com Sun Mar 18 05:13:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78462 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2007 12:13:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2007 12:13:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60222.mail.yahoo.com) (209.73.178.110) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2007 12:13:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 22175 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Mar 2007 12:12:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7agm8KMVM1mFjgV_UpEVMKuGW1B7CPKsE5WkiNeXz1t_Nlcqb7NiMnwUF_MqZN7uExS.VxhAebzOU5OGLyEmS0sbEFZCUSt5JI_CyKpoYSNJ.swTOfK_NP6nDahGNMW_sx3Z5G7MBAqLLdO7Eq8yONxPDCw- Received: from [69.34.11.18] by web60222.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 05:12:27 PDT Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 05:12:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <77917.25712.qm@web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <85873.20039.qm@web60222.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.73.178.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Francisco Guzman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:FCc to Vote on Final IBOC Rules X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758; y=Z6QEN3Ojq6kVYC4VM2NGxy5MeXSurG-0SnbdCOct_SwQOeYYhstaWA X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 You say IBOC interference ,They say Analog interference. Analog Broadcasting is dead or is to become dead so their is no interference to speck off . Mute point since the FCC will eventually stop issuing licenses for Analog Broadcasting. --- "John P." wrote: > Don wrote: "...The commission is set to vote on the > final authorization > for IBOC next Thursday, March 22 — its next open > public meeting..." > > Wish I had a plane ticket to Washington, and one for > Leonard Kahn too, > so we could both make sure that the FCC is clear > about adjacent channel > interference 20KHz below and 20KHz above the IBOC AM > frequency, and how > horrible it was at night during the 1530AM testing! > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love > (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures > list. > http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 > Franciscoguzman@yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Mar 19 15:00:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24010 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2007 22:00:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2007 22:00:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2007 22:00:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2007 22:00:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2007 22:00:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 22:00:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <85873.20039.qm@web60222.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.115 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re:FCc to Vote on Final IBOC Rules X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=ozBMlDNhAhAOzyoLyDFh6Muj5nU4gErLYjA3MUaGx68GNr3BqQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Francisco Guzman=20 wrote: > > You say IBOC interference ,They say Analog > interference. Analog Broadcasting is dead or is to > become dead so their is no interference to speck off . > Mute point since the FCC will eventually stop issuing > licenses for Analog Broadcasting. Where in the world is the analog broadcasting dead, brother? Please, the digital audio system is so good between a PC and an=20 amplifier, or into a cable wire network, or in a UHF or higher=20 frecuency band, but in the lower bands... please, the propagation=20 problems will kill your "beautiful" digital system, brother. And that is the central point here: IS THE IBOC SYSTEM A FULL TIME,=20 FULL ENVIROMENT, FULL PROBLEMATIC PATH, FULL BANDS, PROVEN SYSTEM? The answer is: NO! IBOC works so fine in SOME conditions, only SOME conditions, not=20 always. So the question to any broadcaster is: Do you want to run the race=20 without a good motor? In other words: Will you invest your money in=20 something that "probably" will work? But... What if the system=20 doesn't work? What would happen if the listeners won't like the new=20 system? You would say goodbye to your money, for ever!!! Why don't we stay with the old proven analog system? If the AM band is "dead" in some countries, it wasn't/isn't a=20 technical reason or problem; IT WAS/IS A BAD PROGRAMATION PROBLEM=20 (plus the very bad RECEIVERS we had). So it could be fixed. But if=20 all the AM broadcasters change their hardware to the IBOC and the=20 system, finally, fails... forget it!!! The public shame will be felt=20 in all over the galaxy!!! The FCC can say anything stupid (it's the fashion there); the nature=20 of the MW AM radiowaves has the last word. LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AUDIO!!!!!!! And remember: our ears work with analog audio only (or there is=20 digital stream speakers somewhere?) GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Mar 22 10:09:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63004 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2007 17:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2007 17:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2007 17:09:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 95487 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Mar 2007 17:09:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WXeMS5gVM1njuItRrmGaRV3DLPKNLWHm33ULGvscUt_vGrGe7BXfvg9g5K4l_XtoAhUvALJzWxvMp0xYY3WR7XvN5jYWucxRuTPaa4a_wmf_y69O1BW8gF2GHZ6B0fd5kqTH42PXG_Chq4HNMqtx.A-- Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:09:25 PDT Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:09:25 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <287901.95366.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Why the FCC commish. should be engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=S--e2JmzTrYsQ9zxk5Fip2FGP-iBOtw8ztYxZu6PFfWFJVc8UXE8Ico X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio and NOT laywyers with no technical background: "IBOC Rules Pass FCC The FCC voted for final authorization for IBOC today. The decision, when it takes effect, would allow all AMs to go digital at night." There goes the AM neighborhood folks.....right down the shi**er ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Mar 22 11:02:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11912 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2007 18:02:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2007 18:02:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.173) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2007 18:02:20 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.86]) by bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:01:13 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:01:13 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:01:09 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:01:09 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2007 18:01:13.0710 (UTC) FILETIME=[147A90E0:01C76CAC] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Why the FCC commish. should be engineers(and not politicians) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=o8A6OqMv_lwmFYJb-uYhWJUm7DRX9hP-O1F99yn-zEYxbquEApSDCZvxMTQ X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Here is a link to one of the stories on the impeding disaster of nighttime IBOC. http://www.radioink.com/HeadlineEntry.asp?hid=137302&pt=todaysnews This article gives no date as to when nighttime IBOC will be legal, so I take that to mean it could possibly be tonight. The few remaining A.M. listeners had better hope that the A.M. station they most like to listen to is a short distance away and that they recieve a good strong nighttime signal. For those who live in rural areas or even smaller markets not served by more than one or two local am's (if that many) nighttime listening will be problematic. - Several stations I can think of, (WVLG 640-the Villages,FL and WONN - 1230-Lakeland,FL) have both lost some of their coverage areas due to the IBOC has out of St. Petersburg's WDAE 620 and WHNZ - 1250-Tampa. I also figure that WGUL 860 - will lose some coverage in the s.w. part of their contour if 820 Largo does IBOC at night. I suppose people in those areas and thousands of similiar areas across the country (and in Canada as well, near the border) can give up on the A.M. band and get an i-POD, MP3 Player or go to satellite radio. Donn St PetersburgmFL From: "John P." Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" Subject: {AMSF} Why the FCC commish. should be engineers Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:09:25 -0700 (PDT) and NOT laywyers with no technical background: "IBOC Rules Pass FCC The FCC voted for final authorization for IBOC today. The decision, when it takes effect, would allow all AMs to go digital at night." There goes the AM neighborhood folks.....right down the shi**er __________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 From tomray@wor710.com Thu Mar 22 11:09:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80100 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2007 18:09:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2007 18:09:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.206) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2007 18:09:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2007 18:08:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2007 18:08:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:08:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Why the FCC commish. should be engineers(and not politicians) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=QX8t_lCxUKaEmKH9rIIgdQXk_avqQcR8BxOOT2Hmgd13UdmL X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray The effective date is generally 30 days from the day the R&O is=20 published in the Federal Register...unless otherwise specified in the=20 R&O.=20=20 WOR will be ready whatever the date is. If it were tonight, we'd be=20 on tonight. Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman"=20 wrote: > > Here is a link to one of the stories on the impeding disaster of=20 nighttime=20 > IBOC. >=20 > http://www.radioink.com/HeadlineEntry.asp?hid=3D137302&pt=3Dtodaysnews >=20 >=20 > This article gives no date as to when nighttime IBOC will be legal,=20 so I=20 > take that to mean it could possibly be tonight. >=20 > The few remaining A.M. listeners had better hope that the A.M.=20 station they=20 > most like to listen to is a short distance away and that they=20 recieve a good=20 > strong nighttime signal. For those who live in rural areas or even=20 smaller=20 > markets not served by more than one or two local am's (if that=20 many)=20 > nighttime listening will be problematic. > - > Several stations I can think of, (WVLG 640-the Villages,FL and=20 WONN -=20 > 1230-Lakeland,FL) have both lost some of their coverage areas due=20 to the=20 > IBOC has out of St. Petersburg's WDAE 620 and WHNZ - 1250-Tampa. >=20 > I also figure that WGUL 860 - will lose some coverage in the s.w.=20 part of=20 > their contour if 820 Largo does IBOC at night. >=20 > I suppose people in those areas and thousands of similiar areas=20 across the=20 > country (and in Canada as well, near the border) can give up on the=20 A.M.=20 > band and get an i-POD, MP3 Player or go to satellite radio. >=20 > Donn > St PetersburgmFL >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: "John P." > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" > Subject: {AMSF} Why the FCC commish. should be engineers > Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:09:25 -0700 (PDT) >=20 > and NOT laywyers with no technical background: >=20 > "IBOC Rules Pass FCC >=20 > The FCC voted for final authorization for IBOC today. >=20 > The decision, when it takes effect, would allow all AMs to go=20 digital > at night." >=20 > There goes the AM neighborhood folks.....right down the shi**er >=20 > __________________________________________________________ > Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels > in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Mar 22 11:32:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66732 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2007 18:32:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2007 18:32:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.161) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2007 18:32:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 14758 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Mar 2007 18:31:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: cM.KbcQVM1kC1D_gZDYoYoS1tAXBJQjd1nU9ifld8EvwQ.zitzjNXCq_IzlsxaUXIOyJVaA0XInObuGdvEIhVVU31_9v6GibqqWToy3ROIN4FAIxJWI5LQDyKxbf.QMCup5oOmZK0BfY0HYiQvpSeQ-- Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:31:26 PDT Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:31:26 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <51045.13723.qm@web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Did Anybody Read This? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=BTxpxGrr9g4-rV7x5Pepz_aJ2Ge2GoAZY5IvEhbtSfS5xvdM847T3NQ X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Did anybody read this recent filing on the FCC ECFS #99-325 ? It is 170 great pages talking about what a bonehead idea it is to trash the AM band with IBOC hash - read all about it: Proceeding: 99-325 Type Code: NO Date Received/Adopted: 03/13/07 Date Released/Denied: Document Type: NOTICE Total Pages: 170 File Number/Community: DA/FCC Number: Filed on Behalf of: Fletcher, Heald & Hildreth, P.L.C. Filed By: Fletcher, Heald & Hildreth, P.L.C Attorney/Author Name: Howard M. Weiss Document Date: 03/13/07 Complete Mailing Address: 1300 N 17th Street, 11th Floor Arlington, VA 22209 -3801 Obviously, our opinions don't count when you don't flash the money. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Mar 22 12:05:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55412 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2007 19:05:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2007 19:05:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52201.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.124) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2007 19:05:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 48661 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Mar 2007 19:05:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5BWhbf8VM1kMTEHGsEiPgKmxc.wkSwvc9EEKrOGsMtR79GkdS3syg69xWOY2N90uhV9sKKqHoPIoQ9l4TDDjY0CAIIjCvsOfagxmNK1U3.GiGs55vSBJgIyRrXPehFZebzk9Djf2RwdF8G0- Received: from [209.213.19.130] by web52201.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:05:08 PDT Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:05:08 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <571969.46773.qm@web52201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.124 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why the FCC commish. should be engineers(and not politicians) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=FiI13M3SeHCpLCwLLKvLMs0j7idN9kcL7FbCrwNXzow X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > The effective date is generally 30 days from the day > the R&O is > published in the Federal Register...unless otherwise > specified in the > R&O. > > WOR will be ready whatever the date is. If it were > tonight, we'd be on tonight. > Tom Ray > WOR I'm out in the woods near Silverstreet with the deer, coyote, rabbits, and fire ants. I'm 12 miles or so from my beloved WKDK on 1240. I can BARELY hear it at night. Now, it's very likely I'll lose most of my clear channel stations to listen to. WBT will lose a LOT of local coverager as when 1100 in Cleveland and 1120 in St. Louis fire up, they get hammered. If I don't get tooooo much trash from WCKY, WLAC will decode a good bit of the time. I forgot about WTWP on 1500. WLAC was decoding a good bit right before DA time. When I get my LONG ham antenna up high in the Loblolly pines, I'll test it on the Accurian. Powell From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Mar 22 13:56:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9895 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2007 20:56:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2007 20:56:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2007 20:56:29 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2007 20:55:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2007 20:55:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:55:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <571969.46773.qm@web52201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.40 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why the FCC commish. should be engineers(and not politicians) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=MgG3XsJI64uAa3AP7UI9c9OeDF1ON1ZseONJoSCVBAt9bomVmQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 And nobody will do something to revert the FCC vote? Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Mar 22 14:06:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16746 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2007 21:06:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2007 21:06:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52208.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.131) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2007 21:06:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 8156 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Mar 2007 21:06:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: yLcEuEsVM1n0LV3vAn5FujkfXXFE2WeXuOPM7PadygTi0X6ILPSVQHuhjVbyHYdu4Buiq.IIAKFzpw7h0OJQMiK5hS_LzsDRtsIGZ0L9SgvmEY1w7LLIZ1jnpVG5AfiYIWlBZoRxn6f42IRaED_iv3OOiA-- Received: from [209.213.19.164] by web52208.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:06:39 PDT Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:06:39 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <161427.8133.qm@web52208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why the FCC commish. should be engineers(and not politicians) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=VESbhuibcaZUTR7EO-ash1Okm-EsbT-TA0qvVHecO8E X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jotape1960 wrote: > And nobody will do something to revert the FCC vote? Only if the FCC themselves do it. Powell From mtgc@hotmail.com Thu Mar 22 14:10:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20859 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2007 21:10:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2007 21:10:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s37.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.109) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2007 21:10:13 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.152.23]) by bay0-omc1-s37.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:10:12 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:10:12 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.8.110.33 by BAY141-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:10:08 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: References: <161427.8133.qm@web52208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:06:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2007 21:10:12.0709 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B0C8150:01C76CC6] Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.109 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Michael Upton" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why the FCC commish. should be engineers(and not politicians) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=d5YpyNDNDxUL6JsUNtVlG4A1wn3UEUxu6Gt5aZfobtAb0Sqx0ejQ X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And they ain't!! MTGC (Michael) ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 3:06 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why the FCC commish. should be engineers(and not politicians) --- jotape1960 wrote: > And nobody will do something to revert the FCC vote? Only if the FCC themselves do it. Powell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 22 14:17:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2783 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2007 21:17:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2007 21:17:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2007 21:17:38 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2007 21:16:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2007 21:16:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2007 21:16:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:16:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <161427.8133.qm@web52208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.127.152 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why the FCC commish. should be engineers(and not politicians) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=XgjjKC1OkZadTgyzwR5BjH10x-VKN_TWCBJXxdPCKUkc-Y_3Yqwmpi4cyrIFR56sPKYJXjXV X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > --- jotape1960 wrote: >=20 > > And nobody will do something to revert the FCC vote? >=20 >=20 > Only if the FCC themselves do it.=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell > Or other stations will get knocked off the air by other IBOC stations.=20 It will be intersting how that will unfold. That is to bad . Our AM=20 STEREO dose not seem to have a chance now. Jim Smith From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Mar 22 14:45:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25731 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2007 21:45:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2007 21:45:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2007 21:45:53 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.76]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 159810254-1881964 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:45:47 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <004101c76ccc$7394ac80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <161427.8133.qm@web52208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 15:52:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 1, in=1, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.76 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why the FCC commish. should be engineers(and not politicians) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=fppZCminhCIhyE_CkoTasicIAOHGA3-KM5ddjF9BdFY0sWS_L911 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude They could be forced into it if enough small stations get enough lawyers to sue the big broadcasters. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > > --- jotape1960 wrote: > > > And nobody will do something to revert the FCC vote? > > > Only if the FCC themselves do it. > > > Powell > From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Mar 22 18:05:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17654 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2007 01:03:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2007 01:03:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao102.cox.net) (68.230.241.44) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2007 01:03:50 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20070323010350.BOUP28911.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:03:50 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.4.50.99]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id e13o1W00o28Qjxw0000000; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:03:49 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <619A19D2-1E57-461F-9C34-BDA8510CF49E@cox.net> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:03:47 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why the FCC commish. should be engineers(and not politicians) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=vU9qUDKwj7VfmiRpvYcnJ70Ec2ZdHmD9xm65wuAWkNJhn1FN9aTCilFVYXSD X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I, for one, would at least like to see how it goes. HD AM in Los Angeles sounds superb on most stations, and I can get San Diego's KOGO as well. Richard Wagoner On Mar 22, 2007, at 11:08 AM, Tom Ray wrote: > The effective date is generally 30 days from the day the R&O is > published in the Federal Register...unless otherwise specified in the > R&O. > > WOR will be ready whatever the date is. If it were tonight, we'd be > on tonight. > > Tom Ray > WOR > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman" > wrote: > > > > Here is a link to one of the stories on the impeding disaster of > nighttime > > IBOC. > > > > http://www.radioink.com/HeadlineEntry.asp?hid=137302&pt=todaysnews > > > > > > This article gives no date as to when nighttime IBOC will be legal, > so I > > take that to mean it could possibly be tonight. > > > > The few remaining A.M. listeners had better hope that the A.M. > station they > > most like to listen to is a short distance away and that they > recieve a good > > strong nighttime signal. For those who live in rural areas or even > smaller > > markets not served by more than one or two local am's (if that > many) > > nighttime listening will be problematic. > > - > > Several stations I can think of, (WVLG 640-the Villages,FL and > WONN - > > 1230-Lakeland,FL) have both lost some of their coverage areas due > to the > > IBOC has out of St. Petersburg's WDAE 620 and WHNZ - 1250-Tampa. > > > > I also figure that WGUL 860 - will lose some coverage in the s.w. > part of > > their contour if 820 Largo does IBOC at night. > > > > I suppose people in those areas and thousands of similiar areas > across the > > country (and in Canada as well, near the border) can give up on the > A.M. > > band and get an i-POD, MP3 Player or go to satellite radio. > > > > Donn > > St PetersburgmFL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "John P." > > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" > > Subject: {AMSF} Why the FCC commish. should be engineers > > Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:09:25 -0700 (PDT) > > > > and NOT laywyers with no technical background: > > > > "IBOC Rules Pass FCC > > > > The FCC voted for final authorization for IBOC today. > > > > The decision, when it takes effect, would allow all AMs to go > digital > > at night." > > > > There goes the AM neighborhood folks.....right down the shi**er > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels > > in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. > > http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Mar 22 21:13:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76537 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2007 04:13:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2007 04:13:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.109) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2007 04:13:07 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n12.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2007 04:12:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2007 04:12:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2007 04:12:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 04:12:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.109 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.37.104 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: It's not yet the end of AM, folks! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=GIviQuXRQV7cwg31M7Cy4PzRVGiwh1z8vdJmvb6jzs8zREVb X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie While there is now nighttime authorisation, this doesn't mean everyone is going to go to IBOC, largely for economic reasons. Could you justify the expense based on a very limited set of features and a subpar quality-of-reception track record when you already have a limited budget (many stations don't break even), with a service that benefits few and causes prtoblems for many? FM IBOC might survive, as it causes fewer problems and it has options that make it an attractive investment. I can't say this for AM IBOC, though. There is no big bang for the wattage bucks needed just to have service in a station's area. Only a handful (several dozen, at best) big-budget stations might make the expense and licensing, and might be able to justify AM IBOC on their flamethrower stations to the hundreds, maybe low thousands of potential listeners. Considering the retail radios are proving tp be a disaster already, with few of them having any usable reception, and many disgruntled buyers, the future of IBOC is still as murky as ever. Another thing- No analogue cutoff has been mentioned, as far as I know, so there s no forced end to AM analogue just yet. Don't despair yet! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 23 00:22:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69099 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2007 07:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2007 07:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.245) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2007 07:22:10 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n27.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2007 07:21:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2007 07:21:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2007 07:21:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 07:21:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.245 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.22.191.105 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: It's not yet the end of AM, folks! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=dK_RKIDF6QH4ghePCWWGbFN4Vzvz-Nu3j-pMoqkAnxQpygNC6LP6r-BDn3FOZ0gxJBtdtAEw X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > While there is now nighttime authorisation, this doesn't mean=20 everyone > is going to go to IBOC, largely for economic reasons. >=20 > Could you justify the expense based on a very limited set of=20 features > and a subpar quality-of-reception track record when you already=20 have a > limited budget (many stations don't break even), with a service that > benefits few and causes prtoblems for many? >=20 > FM IBOC might survive, as it causes fewer problems and it has=20 options > that make it an attractive investment. I can't say this for AM IBOC, > though. There is no big bang for the wattage bucks needed just to=20 have > service in a station's area. Only a handful (several dozen, at best) > big-budget stations might make the expense and licensing, and might=20 be > able to justify AM IBOC on their flamethrower stations to the > hundreds, maybe low thousands of potential listeners. >=20 > Considering the retail radios are proving tp be a disaster already, > with few of them having any usable reception, and many disgruntled > buyers, the future of IBOC is still as murky as ever. >=20 > Another thing- No analogue cutoff has been mentioned, as far as I > know, so there s no forced end to AM analogue just yet. >=20 > Don't despair yet! >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Hi Amy So what you are saying is that AM HD is going to be the new=20 AM STEREO dinosore. Jim Smith From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Mar 23 01:58:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29371 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2007 08:58:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2007 08:58:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.33) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2007 08:58:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2007 08:58:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2007 08:58:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 08:58:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.37.104 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: It's not yet the end of AM, folks! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=V8TzCnwPQ2KX6U6_BTVAGGJZ-U__yE2CpXJqM--JGfT9uCTd X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > Hi Amy So what you are saying is that AM HD is going to be the new=20 > AM STEREO dinosore. Jim Smith Yes. And we already see it, in that at its age, it's already LESS supported than AM stereo was! And that's considering that AMS had many of the same problems with marketing and public awareness. I just don't see HD being widely adopted on AM, and those that tried, quite a few said it wasn't worth it, be it for technical reasons or the interference or the quality of signal...or for the lack of a listener base. Two years into the "open market" AMS decision, there were several dozen AMS radios on the market, including OEM radios in most new domestic cars, with several hundred stations competing for attention. This just isn't happening with AM HD. But it is for FM HD, where most of the HD groth really has been. "DinoSORE" is apropos, in my opinion- It makes alot of people sore! :P Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Fri Mar 23 02:41:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87510 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2007 09:41:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m41a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2007 09:41:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2007 09:40:59 -0000 Received: from [4.247.124.141] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HUgGU-0005Jx-JV for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 05:40:58 -0400 Message-ID: <382-22007352394057984@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.122.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 05:40:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc956cbea23ccb72258ecca1e188dfad47350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Why the FCC commish. should be engineers(and not politicians) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=NYZT8QCy4RYikh9A_wtDU3C8jdY7L8BrlMTktpE3K5Kmgw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since nighttime hash has now been authorized, it can be argued that there may no longer be any compelling reason to prevent additional station assignments on former "clear" channels, since the former clears are going to be subject to interference from adjacent channels anyway. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Ray To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: 3/22/2007 2:09:44 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why the FCC commish. should be engineers(and not politicians) The effective date is generally 30 days from the day the R&O is published in the Federal Register...unless otherwise specified in the R&O. WOR will be ready whatever the date is. If it were tonight, we'd be on tonight. Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman" wrote: > > Here is a link to one of the stories on the impeding disaster of nighttime > IBOC. > > http://www.radioink.com/HeadlineEntry.asp?hid=137302&pt=todaysnews > > > This article gives no date as to when nighttime IBOC will be legal, so I > take that to mean it could possibly be tonight. > > The few remaining A.M. listeners had better hope that the A.M. station they > most like to listen to is a short distance away and that they recieve a good > strong nighttime signal. For those who live in rural areas or even smaller > markets not served by more than one or two local am's (if that many) > nighttime listening will be problematic. > - > Several stations I can think of, (WVLG 640-the Villages,FL and WONN - > 1230-Lakeland,FL) have both lost some of their coverage areas due to the > IBOC has out of St. Petersburg's WDAE 620 and WHNZ - 1250-Tampa. > > I also figure that WGUL 860 - will lose some coverage in the s.w. part of > their contour if 820 Largo does IBOC at night. > > I suppose people in those areas and thousands of similiar areas across the > country (and in Canada as well, near the border) can give up on the A.M. > band and get an i-POD, MP3 Player or go to satellite radio. > > Donn > St PetersburgmFL > > > > > > > > > From: "John P." > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" > Subject: {AMSF} Why the FCC commish. should be engineers > Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:09:25 -0700 (PDT) > > and NOT laywyers with no technical background: > > "IBOC Rules Pass FCC > > The FCC voted for final authorization for IBOC today. > > The decision, when it takes effect, would allow all AMs to go digital > at night." > > There goes the AM neighborhood folks.....right down the shi**er > > __________________________________________________________ > Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels > in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Mar 23 06:53:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44229 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2007 13:53:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m37a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2007 13:53:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2007 13:53:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 24367 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Mar 2007 13:52:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: l7nLRLQVM1l7KFihljriqMa52V97.rZpSbc2xs1UVEp9nBUUb6agi0WDKpo8L3zDgRxqeOw1Cy_Yni2bRuuRZqiBvo7HHQgbYci6E6XLR2LD3DN0gOwj5NExBoS1qiGgawW4AWkLWFaQUVipuo3Z1w-- Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 06:52:12 PDT Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 06:52:12 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <370989.23146.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Accurian Review in 3/14/07 RadioWorld X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=q4xfPvoSJqt9EX66PLbr8JswNKaTFKtvRGNEHZ2IWdnVqBPlDNrb3Cg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio As Artie John would say on "Laugh-In" - 'Verrrry Interrresttting' - regarding the article in RW about the Accurian. The article talks about every feature in the radio EXCEPT - 'how does it sound'? & 'how far away from the station can you decode HD'? and 'any digital artifacts on AM'? and 'how does the analog sound'? and 'does it switch back and forth to analog'? Very poor review - heck, anybody can regurgitate the owner's manual and call it a 'review' but without any 'engineering units' of values (distance from transmitter), how can you consider that a 'technical review'? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Mar 23 13:32:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87408 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2007 20:32:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m41a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2007 20:32:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.214) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2007 20:32:44 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n33.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2007 20:31:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2007 20:31:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2007 20:31:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:31:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.101 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: It's not yet the end of AM, folks! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=9Q_Ry3auOUjIWSPAx-HaviGbDYOxmnvlJKAmmfYxWiztyAGDdw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" > wrote: >=20 > > Hi Amy So what you are saying is that AM HD is going to be the=20 new=20 > > AM STEREO dinosore. Jim Smith >=20 > Yes. And we already see it, in that at its age, it's already LESS > supported than AM stereo was! And that's considering that AMS had=20 many > of the same problems with marketing and public awareness. >=20 > I just don't see HD being widely adopted on AM, and those that=20 tried, > quite a few said it wasn't worth it, be it for technical reasons or > the interference or the quality of signal...or for the lack of a > listener base. >=20 > Two years into the "open market" AMS decision, there were several > dozen AMS radios on the market, including OEM radios in most new > domestic cars, with several hundred stations competing for=20 attention. >=20 > This just isn't happening with AM HD. >=20 > But it is for FM HD, where most of the HD groth really has been. >=20 > "DinoSORE" is apropos, in my opinion- It makes alot of people=20 sore! :P >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Hi Amy!!! Please, I think the USA AM broadcasters can and must to do something=20 to save the AM band. And I think it's more easy than it seems. It=20 needs broadcasters "change of mind": back to the music format, back=20 to the direct public/listener music programation, back to the=20 quality in all senses. Yes, I don't want the Motorola C-QUAM AM Stereo system but it's the=20 reality and I prefer accept it. I don't think the AM problem was/is=20 related with the stereo system used, I insist it's just a format=20 problem. I'm starting to convince my radio folks here in Chile to back to the=20 AM, now in stereo I hope so, and with all the quality and "weight"=20 AM had in the past. I have faith and hope it's possible. But, Amy, maybe you can help me: Do you have web reference about=20 very good and very bad AM, analog and/or digital, mono and/or=20 stereo, air recording samples? Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Mar 23 17:30:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13423 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2007 00:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2007 00:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2007 00:29:27 -0000 Received: from fl-69-68-8-34.sta.embarqhsd.net ([69.68.8.34] helo=[192.168.1.6]) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HUu7y-00010b-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:29:02 -0400 Message-ID: <46041A2D.1000406@peoplepc.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:19:25 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <287901.95366.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <287901.95366.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why the FCC commish. should be engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=LJn3kMh2b9rORJJYVaZ6JG5fNmNAi8Z9NSVYnQ4bgpHUxWi40HaJUVRBKUjtMg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 John P. wrote: > The decision, when it takes effect, would allow all AMs to go digital > at night." Why not allow all Am to run their Daytime power and pattern too? Just make ALL AM channels "Graveyards". What idiots. Kevin From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Mar 23 17:54:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46917 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2007 00:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2007 00:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao104.cox.net) (68.230.241.42) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2007 00:54:18 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20070324005417.YFZZ1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:54:17 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.4.50.99]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id eQuG1W00V28Qjxw0000000; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:54:17 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:54:14 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: It's not yet the end of AM, folks! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=LD7nKkbHzE75rL0RkGLymtUPpxM0Jezsgq6FMpUGGGBr4sTzqaFhLte2lHQO X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rules for AM HD were just finalized allowing night use. It's a bit too early to judge; this is now ground zero. On Mar 23, 2007, at 1:58 AM, Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" > wrote: > > > Hi Amy So what you are saying is that AM HD is going to be the new > > AM STEREO dinosore. Jim Smith > > Yes. And we already see it, in that at its age, it's already LESS > supported than AM stereo was! And that's considering that AMS had many > of the same problems with marketing and public awareness. > > I just don't see HD being widely adopted on AM, and those that tried, > quite a few said it wasn't worth it, be it for technical reasons or > the interference or the quality of signal...or for the lack of a > listener base. > > Two years into the "open market" AMS decision, there were several > dozen AMS radios on the market, including OEM radios in most new > domestic cars, with several hundred stations competing for attention. > > This just isn't happening with AM HD. > > But it is for FM HD, where most of the HD groth really has been. > > "DinoSORE" is apropos, in my opinion- It makes alot of people sore! :P > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Mar 23 18:19:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26400 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2007 01:19:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2007 01:19:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2007 01:19:27 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.126]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 160091720-1881964 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:16:49 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <003e01c76db3$1a2a45a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:23:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 2, in=4, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.126 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: It's not yet the end of AM, folks! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=K8xNuDCMXEWcoQ-__4ctTnM0aaHS7TCjtH7HpAlzlInoMckN3LO4 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude ...as the air raid sirens blare... Scott Todd in a bit of a Wierd Al Yankovic mood at the moment ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wagoner" > Rules for AM HD were just finalized allowing night use. It's a bit > too early to judge; this is now ground zero. > From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Mar 24 06:30:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42983 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2007 13:30:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2007 13:30:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s27.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.99) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2007 13:30:25 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.111]) by bay0-omc1-s27.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sat, 24 Mar 2007 06:30:04 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 06:30:04 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 13:30:01 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 13:30:01 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2007 13:30:04.0065 (UTC) FILETIME=[87D74110:01C76E18] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why the FCC commish. should be engineers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=_k-F0mw1PQjizW20Yt1EwMybRibVamnr97VZLr8YMJaRhIydAtTkW33cRF8 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Shhhh! Don't give the NAB lobby or their FCC puppets any ideas; seriously at this point it really wouldn't make much difference. Donn ---------------------------- From: Possum Hunter Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why the FCC commish. should be engineers Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:19:25 -0400 John P. wrote: >The decision, when it takes effect, would allow all AMs to go digital >at night." Why not allow all Am to run their Daytime power and pattern too? Just make ALL AM channels "Graveyards". What idiots. Kevin From narkspud@hotmail.com Sun Mar 25 11:07:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59286 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2007 18:07:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2007 18:07:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.249) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2007 18:07:46 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n29.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2007 18:07:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2007 18:07:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2007 18:07:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 18:07:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.183.87.51 From: "narkspud" Subject: I got an HD Radio! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=hGNVMp8e0tDpTmv63hqZCya5661Tv1-SCdmCgeNlI0-R-Dk X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud HI, guys. I took leave of this little online gathering a while back, due t= o more pressing life=20 commitments, and a weariness of watching AM radio trampled under the march = of the=20 IBOC horde. But a few days ago, finding myself flush with a bit of extra c= ash and a=20 realization that analog AM in the OC is all but unlistenable now anyway, I = decided to take=20 the HD plunge and snag myself a Sangean HDT-1.=20=20 I fired her up for the first time this morning, with an open mind and open = ears, and=20 checked out what the LA market had to offer. I thought perhaps somebody he= re would=20 like to read my thoughts. My thoughts in short: "Yuck". AM sounds exactly like those WOR sample files . . . like a cellphone transm= ission with the=20 treble turned way, way up. The music on Radio Disney barely passes muster = as music=20 anymore. Perhaps a gurgly, buzzy, computerized, Beatlemania-type incredibl= e simulation=20 of what some accountant thinks music sounds like, but certainly not somethi= ng I would=20 want in my house as entertainment. Yeah, it was stereo, so what? Two chan= nels of trash=20 is still trash. I have airchecks of their old C-Quam signal that sound a b= illion times better=20 - almost laughably so. It wasn't just them. The voices on the talk stations had that bad internet= feed gargle in=20 them. You could understand them. But they sounded BAD. The most interest= ing=20 transmission was KBRT, which was playing a hissy tape of a preacher. The p= reacher was=20 gargly as usual, but the hiss was spectacular -- a shimmering, ringing, who= oshing=20 kaleidoscope of bits and bytes, like the rustle of angels' wings, combined = with a billion=20 monkeys using electric sanders on rusty car parts. AM HD Radio has problem= s with tape=20 hiss.=20 The signals are not very robust. I get a lot of unavoidable AM interferenc= e in this=20 apartment of mine, but even on the solid signals, the HD would conk out eve= ry minute or=20 so for just a few seconds, and drop back to the Sangean's wretched low-low-= low=20 bandwidth analog. Some other known HD stations (with bees and everything) = that had=20 always been reasonably solid in analog failed to trip the HD at all. All t= his was with a Terk=20 AM Advantage antenna . . . the supplied loop got no HD whatsoever. I was *not* expecting the FM to suck. Well, the stations that have no seco= ndary stream=20 don't. They sound about like a nice high-bitrate Windows Media stream, per= fectly decent.=20=20 But when they go adding a secondary stream? Whoa Nelly! Artifacts everywh= ere, loud,=20 crunchy, harsh ones, right smack in the mid-high-frequency range where they= go right=20 through your skull and into the portion of the brain marked "Excedrin heada= che." I could=20 hear them from the next room. They made my teeth itch. Who came up with t= his codec?=20=20 Vlad the impaler? Again, the radio was picky. Many stations worked fine, but other known HD = signals that=20 were quite acceptable in analog on my old Carver TX-11a would not go into H= D on the=20 Sangean, or for that matter even kick into stereo. (Side note - what's wit= h the analog FM=20 stereo on this thing? It's even less inclined to work than the HD is!) More fun. On this unit, there's no way to make the radio stay analog if th= ere's an HD=20 signal detected. You want to listen to KISS-FM's analog signal (which I di= d) because the=20 HD is just too hideous (which it is)? Too bad, sucka. I did like the ability to scan to just HD stations. It was useless on AM b= ecause of the poor=20 signals, and I couldn't understand why they have it set to skip the seconda= ry channels, but=20 it did make seeking out the FM HD easier, if that's what you really wanted = to do. I also=20 liked the display with all the RSS info, although I didn't care for its ult= rabright 70s clock=20 radio look when the unit was turned off. You should not be able to read by= your=20 components' displays when they're powered down. There were a few FM stations that did sound slightly better in HD (at least= , better than the=20 Sangean's own analog audio while it was acquiring the HD stream) . . . not = ones I would=20 ever listen to, but they were there. And the secondary channels seemed to = have some=20 interesting programming, but that was made moot by the obnoxious artifacts. Mostly, though, I'm just mad. Mad that this poorly executed version of dig= ital technology=20 is what we're stuck with for "the future of radio", mad that analog broadca= sting on the AM=20 band has been destroyed for THIS, mad that I blew 200 dollars on a radio th= at's going to=20 spend most of its time sitting unused on a shelf.=20=20 Yeah, I've decided I'd better keep it, because I think I'll need it. With = 36 stations in this=20 market already committed to the technology, 9 of them on AM, and with all t= he excited HD=20 Radio questions I've been fielding from my friends and coworkers, it looks = to me like the=20 war is over. The terrorists have already won. Meanwhile, I'll just keep running the TX-11a in narrow bandwidth mode until= The End=20 comes. Have a nice day. From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Mar 25 11:53:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26727 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2007 18:53:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2007 18:53:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtai103.cox.net) (68.230.241.57) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2007 18:53:35 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20070325183958.SYAH18070.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2007 14:39:58 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.4.50.99]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id f6fx1W00328Qjxw0000000; Sun, 25 Mar 2007 14:39:58 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <1669B5D7-68FD-468A-ABB5-0675A1AF7792@cox.net> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 11:39:56 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} I got an HD Radio! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=_cM7CFXuGGFr05QAg6m6maluFmz7AT4FloNrn_pqULLvRkqzH6UgzvzJMP1U X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sound comparisons with mine yielded something different: KDIS was judged as good as analog FM. KNX was also judged excellent. Other AMs were not as good but still sounded better than most radios built since 1969 or so. Processing was the big offender, not artifacts. FM was interesting; on classical stations KUSC and (the old) KMZT, the analog on the Carver tx-11b was judged far better than digital; on most stations there was usually no preference or ability to tell which was analog and which was HD (though when there was one it usually did go to the Carver analog). Secondary channels were judged excellent, especially the AAA music on 93.9-2. Again, processing is most likely the reason for both good and bad, on both analog and HD. I can get San Diego's KOGO from my home in Palos Verdes using the supplied loop antenna. The FM blends to mono way, way too soon, but the station picks up FM analog stations that even the Carver can't get. However, when the Carver does get them, they tend to sound better on the Carver because it doesn't blend to mono or cut the highs at all, it just picks out a nice clean signal. I can prove KDIS sounds good with audio samples ... once I finally get around to it. Richard Wagoner On Mar 25, 2007, at 11:07 AM, narkspud wrote: > HI, guys. I took leave of this little online gathering a while > back, due to more pressing life > commitments, and a weariness of watching AM radio trampled under > the march of the > IBOC horde. But a few days ago, finding myself flush with a bit of > extra cash and a > realization that analog AM in the OC is all but unlistenable now > anyway, I decided to take > the HD plunge and snag myself a Sangean HDT-1. > > I fired her up for the first time this morning, with an open mind > and open ears, and > checked out what the LA market had to offer. I thought perhaps > somebody here would > like to read my thoughts. > > My thoughts in short: "Yuck". > > AM sounds exactly like those WOR sample files . . . like a > cellphone transmission with the > treble turned way, way up. The music on Radio Disney barely passes > muster as music > anymore. Perhaps a gurgly, buzzy, computerized, Beatlemania-type > incredible simulation > of what some accountant thinks music sounds like, but certainly not > something I would > want in my house as entertainment. Yeah, it was stereo, so what? > Two channels of trash > is still trash. I have airchecks of their old C-Quam signal that > sound a billion times better > - almost laughably so. > > It wasn't just them. The voices on the talk stations had that bad > internet feed gargle in > them. You could understand them. But they sounded BAD. The most > interesting > transmission was KBRT, which was playing a hissy tape of a > preacher. The preacher was > gargly as usual, but the hiss was spectacular -- a shimmering, > ringing, whooshing > kaleidoscope of bits and bytes, like the rustle of angels' wings, > combined with a billion > monkeys using electric sanders on rusty car parts. AM HD Radio has > problems with tape > hiss. > > The signals are not very robust. I get a lot of unavoidable AM > interference in this > apartment of mine, but even on the solid signals, the HD would conk > out every minute or > so for just a few seconds, and drop back to the Sangean's wretched > low-low-low > bandwidth analog. Some other known HD stations (with bees and > everything) that had > always been reasonably solid in analog failed to trip the HD at > all. All this was with a Terk > AM Advantage antenna . . . the supplied loop got no HD whatsoever. > > I was *not* expecting the FM to suck. Well, the stations that have > no secondary stream > don't. They sound about like a nice high-bitrate Windows Media > stream, perfectly decent. > But when they go adding a secondary stream? Whoa Nelly! Artifacts > everywhere, loud, > crunchy, harsh ones, right smack in the mid-high-frequency range > where they go right > through your skull and into the portion of the brain marked > "Excedrin headache." I could > hear them from the next room. They made my teeth itch. Who came up > with this codec? > Vlad the impaler? > > Again, the radio was picky. Many stations worked fine, but other > known HD signals that > were quite acceptable in analog on my old Carver TX-11a would not > go into HD on the > Sangean, or for that matter even kick into stereo. (Side note - > what's with the analog FM > stereo on this thing? It's even less inclined to work than the HD is!) > > More fun. On this unit, there's no way to make the radio stay > analog if there's an HD > signal detected. You want to listen to KISS-FM's analog signal > (which I did) because the > HD is just too hideous (which it is)? Too bad, sucka. > > I did like the ability to scan to just HD stations. It was useless > on AM because of the poor > signals, and I couldn't understand why they have it set to skip the > secondary channels, but > it did make seeking out the FM HD easier, if that's what you really > wanted to do. I also > liked the display with all the RSS info, although I didn't care for > its ultrabright 70s clock > radio look when the unit was turned off. You should not be able to > read by your > components' displays when they're powered down. > > There were a few FM stations that did sound slightly better in HD > (at least, better than the > Sangean's own analog audio while it was acquiring the HD > stream) . . . not ones I would > ever listen to, but they were there. And the secondary channels > seemed to have some > interesting programming, but that was made moot by the obnoxious > artifacts. > > Mostly, though, I'm just mad. Mad that this poorly executed version > of digital technology > is what we're stuck with for "the future of radio", mad that analog > broadcasting on the AM > band has been destroyed for THIS, mad that I blew 200 dollars on a > radio that's going to > spend most of its time sitting unused on a shelf. > > Yeah, I've decided I'd better keep it, because I think I'll need > it. With 36 stations in this > market already committed to the technology, 9 of them on AM, and > with all the excited HD > Radio questions I've been fielding from my friends and coworkers, > it looks to me like the > war is over. The terrorists have already won. > > Meanwhile, I'll just keep running the TX-11a in narrow bandwidth > mode until The End > comes. Have a nice day. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From narkspud@hotmail.com Sun Mar 25 12:36:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66553 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2007 19:36:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2007 19:36:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.8) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2007 19:36:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2007 19:36:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2007 19:36:34 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 19:36:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1669B5D7-68FD-468A-ABB5-0675A1AF7792@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.183.87.51 From: "narkspud" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I got an HD Radio! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=ce0s_RjD7SYGteAo3xaM9J2gjOhFpyLrTFhIilbW9uDpHWY X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud I'll be glad to post samples right now, if you'll just point me where to po= st them.=20=20 I've got 93.9-2 going right this second. The vocals are buzzing like a bot= ched sample rate=20 conversion. Unlistenable.=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > I can prove KDIS sounds good with audio samples ... once I finally=20=20 > get around to it. >=20 > Richard Wagoner From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Mar 25 14:24:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37151 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2007 21:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2007 21:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao105.cox.net) (68.230.241.41) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2007 21:24:03 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20070325212404.MNLO1312.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:24:04 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.4.50.99]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id f9PF1W00A28Qjxw0000100; Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:24:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 14:24:02 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} I got an HD Radio! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=XcaWgZ0mmy2CxKQlwYKa2PIsXG33Fh3--3WfRuwIMirqwLrDyDFeXe3P0C7B X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The tuner has a high output. If your preamp can't handle high outputs, that might explain it. On Mar 25, 2007, at 12:36 PM, narkspud wrote: > I'll be glad to post samples right now, if you'll just point me > where to post them. > > I've got 93.9-2 going right this second. The vocals are buzzing > like a botched sample rate > conversion. Unlistenable. > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > wrote: > > I can prove KDIS sounds good with audio samples ... once I finally > > get around to it. > > > > Richard Wagoner > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Mar 25 14:24:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92974 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2007 21:24:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2007 21:24:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao103.cox.net) (68.230.241.43) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2007 21:24:07 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20070325212316.UVZP18070.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:23:16 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.4.50.99]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id f9PF1W00A28Qjxw0000000; Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:23:15 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <97DA6B70-716E-4D71-8836-7219FDF11940@cox.net> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 14:23:14 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} I got an HD Radio! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=pXldHvTkk1pGKLHJ8IGjz0KvrD7WmSK3V5-NUKobnglnw5AF-rolLReVUWHl X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Then something is terribly wrong with your tuner or your system. On Mar 25, 2007, at 12:36 PM, narkspud wrote: > I'll be glad to post samples right now, if you'll just point me > where to post them. > > I've got 93.9-2 going right this second. The vocals are buzzing > like a botched sample rate > conversion. Unlistenable. > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > wrote: > > I can prove KDIS sounds good with audio samples ... once I finally > > get around to it. > > > > Richard Wagoner > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Mar 25 14:29:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50847 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2007 21:29:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2007 21:29:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.246) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2007 21:29:22 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2007 21:28:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2007 21:28:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2007 21:28:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 21:28:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.16 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I got an HD Radio! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=wwHdayE_ZhqrCwIuijUXJbZ9k0C2Cv-NdshoydbvVmnt1DiVEA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" =20 wrote: > > I'll be glad to post samples right now, if you'll just point me=20 where to post them.=20=20 >=20 > I've got 93.9-2 going right this second. The vocals are buzzing=20 like a botched sample rate=20 > conversion. Unlistenable.=20=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner =20 wrote: > > I can prove KDIS sounds good with audio samples ... once I=20 finally=20=20 > > get around to it. > >=20 > > Richard Wagoner > Hi guys!!! Please "narkspud@yahoo.com", Would you let me show your mail to my=20 AM radio folks here in Chile, to show them the "wonderful" new=20 digital sound from AM IBOC? And I really would thank you if you send me, directly to my=20 mail: "jotape1960@yahoo.com", some sample too. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From narkspud@hotmail.com Sun Mar 25 15:21:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8225 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2007 22:20:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2007 22:20:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.214) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2007 22:20:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2007 22:20:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2007 22:20:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:20:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <97DA6B70-716E-4D71-8836-7219FDF11940@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.183.87.51 From: "narkspud" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I got an HD Radio! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=aZ7MS0V2DMEZmdN6akpWHwdO5JJXmc6VhM-vuQsZ0cCc9yg X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Richard - I find it rather odd that you are suddenly such a vociferous defe= nder of this=20 technology that you were once deeply opposed to, to the point that you're w= illing to try and=20 impugn my character as an equipment hooker upper, despite having no knowled= ge of who I=20 am, what I do for a living, or what I'm hooking up to. No matter. If the readers will head over to the "digital" folder in the "f= iles" section of this=20 forum, they will find 4 short uncompressed AIFF files recorded from my HDT-= 1, so they can=20 judge for themselves. Not all of them sound bad, in my opinion. I'd like = to hear the opinions=20 of others. A disclaimer: I find the compression on Sirius and XM Radio irritating as = well. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > > Then something is terribly wrong with your tuner or your system. From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Mar 25 18:22:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32463 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2007 01:22:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2007 01:22:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao107.cox.net) (68.230.241.39) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2007 01:22:49 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20070326012225.XTVN321.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2007 21:22:25 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.4.50.99]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id fDNN1W00b28Qjxw0000000; Sun, 25 Mar 2007 21:22:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 18:22:23 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} I got an HD Radio! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=rrfQv1Ai8ZeFHqLnwol5PBTP9_kOuUKG4I9ZEqYYn0btXkP_BQdFDRmnodoc X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You have got to be joking. Stating that something is wrong, because I own the same tuner and have noticed none of your complaints, is impugning your character? That you are the first I have read that stated such? That the vast majority of owners I know of are like me and were surprised at how good HD sounds? If you thought I was putting you down, I apologize. Really. Yes, I was once deeply opposed. And I still have concerns -- deep concerns -- about interference on both AM and FM. But as to SOUND, I have been surprised: it sounds good, when done right. KOGO does it wrong, as do most of the LA AM stations. But KABC's Christmas music sounded great in HD, KNX is amazing in HD when the signal doesn't do weird things (like randomly jump up and down for no apparent reason); and KDIS, unless something happened in the past week, sounds better than 1110 ever did in analog stereo. I don't doubt your credentials, whatever they are. But they are immaterial. I was startled at how good AM HD sounded on KDIS about a week ago. I was impressed at how good the secondary FM channels sounded. And I too am irritated at times by Sirius and XM. The Sangean tuner, for whatever reason, runs very "hot" at the output. So hot that I have to adjust the input my Carver is connected to 6dB higher to even them out. There is a chance -- just a chance -- that some of the distortion you hear is a problem due to overload, depending on how tolerable of overload your preamp is. Just a thought. Richard > Richard - I find it rather odd that you are suddenly such a > vociferous defender of this > technology that you were once deeply opposed to, to the point that > you're willing to try and > impugn my character as an equipment hooker upper, despite having no > knowledge of who I > am, what I do for a living, or what I'm hooking up to. > > No matter. If the readers will head over to the "digital" folder in > the "files" section of this > forum, they will find 4 short uncompressed AIFF files recorded from > my HDT-1, so they can > judge for themselves. Not all of them sound bad, in my opinion. I'd > like to hear the opinions > of others. > > A disclaimer: I find the compression on Sirius and XM Radio > irritating as well. > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > wrote: > > > > Then something is terribly wrong with your tuner or your system. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Mar 25 21:46:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60009 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2007 04:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2007 04:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.246) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2007 04:46:01 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2007 04:46:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2007 04:46:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2007 04:46:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 04:45:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.19 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I got an HD Radio! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=O6UbcXOi9yB2OBJDmd268keSDrF8QYqK5eXdhppPg7PB-qkWMg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner =20 wrote: > > You have got to be joking. Stating that something is wrong,=20 because I=20=20 > own the same tuner and have noticed none of your complaints, is=20=20 > impugning your character? That you are the first I have read that=20=20 > stated such? That the vast majority of owners I know of are like=20 me=20=20 > and were surprised at how good HD sounds? If you thought I was=20=20 > putting you down, I apologize. Really. >=20 > Yes, I was once deeply opposed. And I still have concerns -- deep=20=20 > concerns -- about interference on both AM and FM. But as to SOUND,=20 I=20=20 > have been surprised: it sounds good, when done right. KOGO does=20 it=20=20 > wrong, as do most of the LA AM stations. But KABC's Christmas=20 music=20=20 > sounded great in HD, KNX is amazing in HD when the signal doesn't=20 do=20=20 > weird things (like randomly jump up and down for no apparent=20 reason);=20=20 > and KDIS, unless something happened in the past week, sounds=20 better=20=20 > than 1110 ever did in analog stereo. >=20 > I don't doubt your credentials, whatever they are. But they are=20=20 > immaterial. I was startled at how good AM HD sounded on KDIS about=20 a=20=20 > week ago. I was impressed at how good the secondary FM channels=20=20 > sounded. And I too am irritated at times by Sirius and XM. >=20 > The Sangean tuner, for whatever reason, runs very "hot" at the=20=20 > output. So hot that I have to adjust the input my Carver is=20 connected=20=20 > to 6dB higher to even them out. There is a chance -- just a=20 chance=20=20 > -- that some of the distortion you hear is a problem due to=20=20 > overload, depending on how tolerable of overload your preamp is.=20 Just=20=20 > a thought. >=20 > Richard >=20 HI GUYS!!! Excuse me "to put my feet" in a dangerous arena, because I don't=20 have any IBOC receiver nor an IBOC AM station near me, but I have=20 some questions about the most advanced brains of the forum: 1) Are some of the IBOC FCC defenders thinking about the non-USA=20 enviroments? I mean geographic, politic, social, economic even=20 religious different cultures non-USA. As an example: here in Chile,=20 with a 1KW analog AM transmitter we can cover a geographic area near=20 40 kms around the TX, day or night, any weather, any propagation=20 conditions. But because the today economical reality of my dear=20 country (despite of the politicians say), an standard chilean AM=20 broadcaster is in level 0 (zero) to invest in a new TX. If you tell=20 me: "you need 1KW of IBOC subcarrier (in other words, a 10KW analog=20 AM TX) to cover the same geographic area" and I know it's imposible=20 to the chilean reality, at least now, and if you add the=20 plus: "maybe the IBOC doesn't work so well" and nobody can assure=20 the money invest retrieval, then... IS THE IBOC A PROVEN SALVATION=20 TO THE NON-USA AM BAND? 2) Assuming the sound is as good as a CD (I know it isn't but, let=20 me dream), IS THAT QUALITY ENOUGH TO GET THE AM AUDIENCE RETURN?=20 WAS/IS THE AUDIO QUALITY THE CENTRAL PROBLEM OF THE AM BAND? 3) Let me dream, some AM fanatic millionare gives all his fortune to=20 subsidize all the AM stations to transmit with IBOC, and he pays the=20 advertising campaign to promote the system too, but... WHAT ABOUT=20 THE LISTENERS? WILL THEY BACK TO THE AM BAND ONLY BECAUSE THE NEW=20 SYSTEM? You can tell me: "YOU'RE A MAD MAN", I don't care, but I can't see=20 any reason to think all the answers are: "YES". So... I prefer my old analog AM system!!! The question is: "AM I THE=20 ONLY ONE IN THE WORLD? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 25 21:58:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19285 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2007 04:58:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2007 04:58:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.166) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2007 04:58:07 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n7.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2007 04:56:48 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2007 04:56:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2007 04:56:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 04:56:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.239.233.135 From: "Kevin T." Subject: YouTube in STEREO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=7DcExpLvd5ycg_fPCljFuyTs085gtGUdLo8Bqc7ore5C8FvqKg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I don't know how they did it, but they did -- YouTube with STEREO=20 audio! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DoSwikPwZQUA After watching so many YouTube videos with boring mono audio, this=20 one is an amazing experience... plus it's a great mid-'80s hit,=20 originally heard on all the great AM Stereo music stations of that=20 time. From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Mar 25 22:29:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73232 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2007 05:29:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2007 05:29:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao105.cox.net) (68.230.241.41) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2007 05:29:41 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20070326052649.TWIV1312.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 01:26:49 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.4.50.99]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id fHSp1W00x28Qjxw0000000; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 01:26:50 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <02871525-0220-49EF-A23D-883FE662FF63@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:26:48 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} I got an HD Radio! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=x-ih8T30WbH__zwSIj7FqH4p2wTfM_cJhqK0Kbnn0Q6mujsaV_VY2vL19wMo X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner On Mar 25, 2007, at 9:45 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > Excuse me "to put my feet" in a dangerous arena, because I don't > have any IBOC receiver nor an IBOC AM station near me, but I have > some questions about the most advanced brains of the forum: > > 1) Are some of the IBOC FCC defenders thinking about the non-USA > enviroments? I mean geographic, politic, social, economic even > religious different cultures non-USA. As an example: here in Chile, > with a 1KW analog AM transmitter we can cover a geographic area near > 40 kms around the TX, day or night, any weather, any propagation > conditions. But because the today economical reality of my dear > country (despite of the politicians say), an standard chilean AM > broadcaster is in level 0 (zero) to invest in a new TX. If you tell > me: "you need 1KW of IBOC subcarrier (in other words, a 10KW analog > AM TX) to cover the same geographic area" and I know it's imposible > to the chilean reality, at least now, and if you add the > plus: "maybe the IBOC doesn't work so well" and nobody can assure > the money invest retrieval, then... IS THE IBOC A PROVEN SALVATION > TO THE NON-USA AM BAND? I doubt anyone has given much thought to it, though I am sure Ibiquity would like to have more licenses. > 2) Assuming the sound is as good as a CD (I know it isn't but, let > me dream), IS THAT QUALITY ENOUGH TO GET THE AM AUDIENCE RETURN? > WAS/IS THE AUDIO QUALITY THE CENTRAL PROBLEM OF THE AM BAND? It is/was a major issue. Not from the transmission end, but due to the receiver end. On this list people won't admit it, but the vast majority of AM radios suck. That includes most AM stereo radios and receivers. People like to blame Kahn and his lawsuits, but the reality is that radios such as the Realistic TM-152, every Kraco car stereo that included AM stereo and many, many more cemented the failure of AM stereo by being nothing more than crappy narrowband AM radios that happened to be stereo. I hated AM stereo until I found the Carver tx-11a and tx-11b, as well as the Denon TU680NAB. Others found the various Sony models, and there of course were some great radios from other brands as well. But most were expensive (the Carvers listed for $500 and $700; the Denon was about $500) or hard to find (most of the Sonys were discontinued by the time I ever heard of them; none were ever available locally). Much has been said of Chrysler AM stereos; they really didn't sound that great when I heard them. The only affordable aftermarket car stereo that had AM stereo was from Sparkomatic; it sounded great but had the worst reliability of any product ever produced. Add to that the fact that there are so many sources of AM interference, that AM stereo was hard to do right. For example, my Delco sounded great, as long as I cleaned the antenna connections every month. Otherwise there was so much interference from the S-10 engine that it was as the joke said: static in stereo. The GE SuperRadio sounds great to my ears, but my friend objects to the high frequency whine. So it all boiled down to this: listeners said, why should I listen to music on AM when I can hear it in better fidelity (and easier to tune) on FM? Especially when it became relatively cheap to make a relatively decent FM tuner, even in a cheap portable. Programming would have helped, but remember: KRLA (1110 AM) had a far far superior oldies format; KRTH trounced it in the ratings. KFI had a super clean AM stereo signal and played one of the last great top-40 formats in Los Angeles. Ratings were in the 1s. Certainly it can be shown that Walter Sabo destroyed KFRC in San Francisco, but he would not have been given any power had the legendary 610 not lost listeners. And they had the best signal of any station in the area. The AVERAGE person finds analog AM, even on a good AM stereo receiver, either bad in sound or too difficult to tune. The AVERAGE listener will probably find that HD AM sounds pretty good. As good as good analog wideband stereo without interference? Probably not. But so few stations ever offered that, most people have never even heard it. AM lost the battle in 1976. I hate to say it, as I truly love AM radio stations of the past. But the AM band is in trouble, and most people never even switch it on, especially if they are under 35 years old. > > 3) Let me dream, some AM fanatic millionare gives all his fortune to > subsidize all the AM stations to transmit with IBOC, and he pays the > advertising campaign to promote the system too, but... WHAT ABOUT > THE LISTENERS? WILL THEY BACK TO THE AM BAND ONLY BECAUSE THE NEW > SYSTEM? Let me put it this way. I was expecting HD AM to sound awful. I found it CAN sound pretty good, better on average than most analog AM stereo radios could produce. If HD works at night (totally unproven but at least we can check it out in about a month), you very well may see some experimental music formats return to nighttime AM broadcast, and if they catch on the music may spread to all dayparts, finally bringing people BACK to AM. Will it happen overnight (pardon the pun)? No. And it may never happen. But AM radio as we remember it is already gone, and the AM band is a total failure with one or two exceptions AT MOST in major US markets. As it is now, we really have nothing to lose. > > You can tell me: "YOU'RE A MAD MAN", I don't care, but I can't see > any reason to think all the answers are: "YES". > > So... I prefer my old analog AM system!!! The question is: "AM I THE > ONLY ONE IN THE WORLD? I would say that the population as a whole spoke back in 1976 when they left AM for FM. So you aren't the only one, but there are so few of us that I sincerely doubt that analog AM will ever get more than 20-25 percent of an aging audience. Twenty years from now I doubt analog AM stations would have any listeners. Richard Wagoner From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Mar 26 05:19:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94529 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2007 12:19:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2007 12:19:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2007 12:19:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2007 12:18:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2007 12:18:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:18:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <02871525-0220-49EF-A23D-883FE662FF63@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.16.217.218 From: "Juan" Subject: Re: I got an HD Radio! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=bEktjQnunUoGHXjsspNG2MKTaFM9xVJJo6xqj_iG-ubludo X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Richard wrote:=20 On this list people won't admit it, but the vast=20=20 > majority of AM radios suck. That includes most AM stereo radios=20 and=20=20 > receivers. People like to blame Kahn and his lawsuits, but the=20=20 > reality is that radios such as the Realistic TM-152, every Kraco=20 car=20=20 > stereo that included AM stereo and many, many more cemented the=20=20 > failure of AM stereo by being nothing more than crappy narrowband=20 AM=20=20 > radios that happened to be stereo. I hated AM stereo until I=20 found=20=20 > the Carver tx-11a and tx-11b, as well as the Denon TU680NAB.=20 I was the same way. I first heard AM Stereo on the Radio Shack TM- 152. It sounded horrible. I thought to myself, what a piece of s**t ! > Add to that the fact that there are so many sources of AM=20=20 > interference, that AM stereo was hard to do right. For example,=20 my=20=20 > Delco sounded great, as long as I cleaned the antenna connections=20=20 > every month. Otherwise there was so much interference from the S- 10=20=20 I can't wait to hear how IBOC sounds in a car, parked unser some=20 noisy powerlines. If in fact it "blends to analog" like I hear, I=20 will doubt it will work here in South Florida. We have many noisy=20 powerlines and almost constant static in the Summer from T-Storms. Maybe Tony S can chime in on that (I think he is on this list) I was impressed with what you recorded on the tape you sent to me=20 Richard, my only concern for long term success is Programming. I=20 just don't think there is hope there. I also doubt many small=20 stations will be able to afford to make the switch, that is why I=20 think it will never go all digital, but then again...... > The AVERAGE person finds analog AM, even on a good AM stereo=20=20 > receiver, either bad in sound or too difficult to tune. The=20 AVERAGE=20=20 > listener will probably find that HD AM sounds pretty good. As good=20 as=20=20 > good analog wideband stereo without interference? Probably not.=20 But=20=20 > so few stations ever offered that, most people have never even=20 heard=20=20 > it. AM lost the battle in 1976. I hate to say it, as I truly love=20 AM=20=20 > radio stations of the past. But the AM band is in trouble, and=20 most=20=20 > people never even switch it on, especially if they are under 35=20 years=20=20 > old. I too, miss the glory days of AM. I think for younger people, radio=20 as a whole is losing out to Internet and ipods. That is why I don't=20 think changing the technical aspect of radio will help. For older=20 people, you must give them a reason to listen. Thos who,like Rush=20 and Hannity etc. are already listening. I just don't see, nor have I=20 seen research that says people don't listen to AM because of=20 fidelity or noise. IF, and this is a big if.....AM Radio were=20 totally noise free, that might be diferent, but I am curious to see=20 how it works in a car. Now FM HD, that may well work, we'll see. Juan Ft. Pierce, FL (In Dumfries, VA) From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Mar 26 14:35:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96044 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2007 21:35:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2007 21:35:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2007 21:35:32 -0000 Received: from fl-71-52-126-74.dhcp.embarqhsd.net ([71.52.126.74] helo=[10.0.0.5]) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HVwqX-0005fv-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:35:21 -0400 Message-ID: <46080145.4030502@peoplepc.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:22:13 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <02871525-0220-49EF-A23D-883FE662FF63@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <02871525-0220-49EF-A23D-883FE662FF63@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} I got an HD Radio! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=LIxmGPvAMhm9QCYuUqZFuGaknoA16HvlVInt22v6c05KvFQ99OXp3aO0iJgztg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Richard Wagoner wrote: > On this list people won't admit it, but the vast > majority of AM radios suck. That includes most AM stereo radios and > receivers. I have been saying this for YEARS! The single worst offender is GM-Delco. The low bandwidth AM radios from the 70s and early 80s coupled with the antenna in the windshield glass all but killed AM in cars where most radio listening happens. > The only affordable aftermarket car stereo that had AM stereo > was from Sparkomatic; it sounded great but had the worst reliability > of any product ever produced. > Sherwood and Sherwood produced Realistic car stereos sounded GOOD in AM Stereo. They were higher on the price scale, but Blaupunkt and Kenwood also had GREAT sounding car AM Stereo tuners. Sony and Sanyo made good portables with AM Stereo. > I would say that the population as a whole spoke back in 1976 when > they left AM for FM. In Greenville, SC AM lost out to FM between 1983 and 1987. It started with Top-40 WQOK loosing to WANS-FM, then Country WESC switching to FM and Country WCKI loosing to WSSL-FM, EZ-Big Band WMRB loosing to WMUU-FM, Oldies-AC WFBC loosing to WMYI-FM and finaly R&B WHYZ loosing to Z-104. Now the ONLY AM doing anything is former WFBC, now WYRD simulcasting News-Talk with former WSPA, now WORD. Now WORD's Russ and Lisa are getting real competition with Oldies 103 and "Awake With Drake", a former WSPA-AM show. LOL Other than the two Country stations and WMYI, the Greenville radios stations have all been playing "Format of the Month" for quite a while. it will be interesting to see how they all settle down. The new Low power FM on Paris Mountain has been giving WMUU a run for their EZ-Listening audience, and WCKI switched from Baptist bible banger to Catholic! WOLI-FM switched from Alternative Rock to Oldies to Progressive bible banger to Black bible banger and now back to Oldies! Even from down here in Florida, it is an interesting Soap Opera to watch. Kevin From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Mar 26 14:36:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42703 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2007 21:35:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2007 21:35:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2007 21:35:26 -0000 Received: from fl-71-52-126-74.dhcp.embarqhsd.net ([71.52.126.74] helo=[10.0.0.5]) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HVwqY-0005g8-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:35:22 -0400 Message-ID: <460807A8.7070705@peoplepc.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:49:28 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} I got an HD Radio! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=ufLzUaJgkDjr8gPTVsb5bfkSVkAQ6YMov7QzbJeHG7nvMtF3q0rLhlt2Jqb46Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 narkspud wrote: > Richard - I find it rather odd that you are suddenly such a vociferous defender of this > technology that you were once deeply opposed to, to the point that you're willing to try and > impugn my character as an equipment hooker upper, despite having no knowledge of who I > am, what I do for a living, or what I'm hooking up to. > Many of the problems you hear may be related to your Pre-Amp your HDT-1 is connected to, not the radio or the hooker upper. Sangean in new to the Home Stereo market and made their tuner to have the higher output standard as Car Stereos, overloading your Home pre-amp. I had to pad mine down a good bit not to overload my Dynaco pre-amp. You may need to pad yours down too with a resistor network in order to make it sound good. The way I did this was to make a pair of L-Pads with audio taper potentiometers. I got my reference level from the output of my CD player playing a 1000 Cycle tone recorded at 0db from a test CD. I then modulated my signal generator with a 1000 Cycle tone at 100% modulation on AM 1000 KC and adjusted the HDT-1 output to the same level as the CD player had. I then blobbed Epoxy on the pad so it wouldn't get bumped out of adjustment and to protect it from the Florida humidity. > A disclaimer: I find the compression on Sirius and XM Radio irritating as well. > My ears tell me Sirius sounds worse than XM. Your ears may vary. Possum From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Mar 26 14:36:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22804 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2007 21:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2007 21:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2007 21:35:21 -0000 Received: from fl-71-52-126-74.dhcp.embarqhsd.net ([71.52.126.74] helo=[10.0.0.5]) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HVwqW-0005fj-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:35:20 -0400 Message-ID: <4607F87C.1070007@peoplepc.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:44:44 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: I got an HD Radio! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=_PI0B7YkB1_ArIM3fzmlu5E-ef4w4jl2RruFYZQSdyhgkrRBbS_JLPkWSUSqTQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Juan wrote: > I was the same way. I first heard AM Stereo on the Radio Shack TM-152. It sounded horrible. I thought to myself, what a piece of s**t ! > Lucky for me, my first listen to AM Stereo was a KAHN ISB station on the Kenwood KRC-959 AM-FM-Tape car stereo. I was blown away, then WOWO 1190 faded in and I was hooked for life! WOW, I had never hear FM sound that good, much less AM. Our local C-QUAM (WFBC 1330) sounded horrible with their RCA Ampliphase transmitter, but WWNC 570 Sounded good. The only system that didn't sound as good was the local Harris station WESC 660, and that was mostly the station's fault. I was not the CE, but the Continental 317C just would NOT pass audio above 7KC. > I can't wait to hear how IBOC sounds in a car, parked unser some > noisy powerlines. If in fact it "blends to analog" like I hear, I > will doubt it will work here in South Florida. We have many noisy > powerlines and almost constant static in the Summer from T-Storms. > I have been tempted to get the new JVC HD-Radio at Walmart and try it out in my Van. It would be interesting to see how it performs in the Florida Thunder Storm season. > my only concern for long term success is Programming. I > just don't think there is hope there. Agree. Why would you want to listen to Low-Fi tapes of preachers and hissy satellite fed Talk in digital? > I also doubt many small stations will be able to afford to make the switch, that is why I think it will never go all digital, but then again...... > For most Small-market AMs to go HD-Radio, it will require replacement of the entire plant from the Mixing boards to the ATU. Some will even have to replace the antenna farm. Since the stations have not made money since the 1980s, and their land is worth more than the station itself, The only small stations you will see go HD-Radio are play toys for the rich like WPCI 1490 (Radio Randy) or after the technology matures more successful small stations like WNMB may give it a go. The other small stations will be drowned in a sea of interference from the stations that do switch to HD. For personal reasons, I would still offer my engineering services for FREE to 5,000 Watt WDAB 1580 for them to convert to to the most robust digital signal for HD-Radio, no matter what format they choose to run...if I could afford it, I would buy 'em the equipment too. Kevin From starship_2001@msn.com Mon Mar 26 16:03:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66339 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2007 23:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2007 23:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s4.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.76) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2007 23:03:19 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.136.25]) by bay0-omc1-s4.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 26 Mar 2007 16:03:09 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 16:03:09 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.5 by BAY131-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 23:03:08 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 23:03:08 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Mar 2007 23:03:09.0793 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC287510:01C76FFA] Return-Path: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.76 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: I got the R.S. Accurian X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=8vmgrY0xPYtZK5W4MBJPXH929WhWuInZXb1v4otEWWrdFsYcBsXD6ZDATQ X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well i did the unthinkable and off to radio shack and i am back with an HD radio. I am using nothing but the antennas supplied. AM Section: 630 WPRO providence R.I. IBOC decodes but SQ is horrid and HD sounds like a streaming web page with dial up. WPRO sounds better in ANALOG !!!!!! 920 WHJJ Provience R.I. HD decodes SQ better then WPRO but i am not impressed. A good tube radio with wide analog will run circles around this. 710 WOR NY NY is almost deaf can hardly hear the analog signal never mind dream of decoding the hd signal. 1030 WBZ Boston MA Noisy analog signal no luck with the HD signal. FM Section . 89.7 WGBH Boston MA analog a little weak HD trys to decode HD-2 cuts in and out. 92.3 WPRO Providence R.I. HD decodes on HD -1 no HD-2 94.1 WHJY Providence R.I. Decodes HD-1 and decodes HD-2 strong signal. 94.5 WJMN Boston MA Really gotta play with the antenna for this can struggle the analog but right now DREAMING of the HD streams. 101.5 WWBB Providence R.I. Strong signal decodes HD-1 and HD-2 . 105.1 WWLI Providence R.I. Strong signal decodes HD-1 there is no HD-2 . 106.3 WWKX Woonsocket R.I. fair anlog signal unble to get a lock on the HD signal. NOTES: I haven't really set this radio up in the best location OR worked with antennas. The AM needs help as the Kaito 1103 leaves it in the dust. I can hardly hear the NY blowtorches. Again it could be bad location . I'm afraid like it or not i may have to keep this radio due to HD being forced down my throat so i best try working with this as time allows. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Mar 26 22:24:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8110 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2007 05:24:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m41a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2007 05:24:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2007 05:24:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2007 05:23:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2007 05:23:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 05:23:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4607F87C.1070007@peoplepc.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.43 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: I got an HD Radio! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=qcbucs-g_pJ_InvWPbr_cd8AgNP8F1Zb5hxthwZWN3IRYpF01Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter=20 wrote: > > Juan wrote: > > I was the same way. I first heard AM Stereo on the Radio Shack=20 TM-152. It sounded horrible. I thought to myself, what a piece of=20 s**t ! > >=20=20=20 >=20 > Lucky for me, my first listen to AM Stereo was a KAHN ISB station=20 on the=20 > Kenwood KRC-959 AM-FM-Tape car stereo. I was blown away, then WOWO=20 1190=20 > faded in and I was hooked for life! WOW, I had never hear FM sound=20 that=20 > good, much less AM. Our local C-QUAM (WFBC 1330) sounded horrible=20 with=20 > their RCA Ampliphase transmitter, but WWNC 570 Sounded good. The=20 only=20 > system that didn't sound as good was the local Harris station WESC=20 660,=20 > and that was mostly the station's fault. I was not the CE, but the=20 > Continental 317C just would NOT pass audio above 7KC. >=20 > > I can't wait to hear how IBOC sounds in a car, parked unser some=20 > > noisy powerlines. If in fact it "blends to analog" like I hear,=20 I=20 > > will doubt it will work here in South Florida. We have many=20 noisy=20 > > powerlines and almost constant static in the Summer from T- Storms. > >=20=20=20 >=20 > I have been tempted to get the new JVC HD-Radio at Walmart and try=20 it=20 > out in my Van. It would be interesting to see how it performs in=20 the=20 > Florida Thunder Storm season. HI GUYS!!!!!!! My first HI-FI AM receiver was my loved PHILIPS AM STEREO/FM=20 STEREO/CASSETE car receiver, model DC-888, from 1987, and I still=20 have it and I still use it, but not in my car now. I can assure you=20 it sounds so, so, so good in AM (with local stations of course). I=20 never had a local AM STEREO station to get an stereo signal but all=20 the mono stations I've heard sounds so good (even those who have old=20 tube TXs). I'd really love to know what will happen when the HD AM format=20 arrive to my beautiful and rare country: 4,000 kms (2,500 miles)=20 from north to south and just 130 kms (80 miles) average from the=20 Pacific Ocean to the Andes Range!!! A lot of hidden valleys, a lot=20 of rare and twisted ranges and a lot of people jammed in small=20 villages (due to the geographic characteristics). A lot of very=20 noisy high-voltage AC power lines, a lot of cellular phone repeaters=20 in all the country and a lot of static electricity storm, specially=20 in spring and autumn. Oops, I forgot something: the very "beautiful"=20 night full interference from our "friends": the Argentinian AM=20 stations brigade, hahahaahah!!!! Would you expect the IBOC system=20 can work so well here? But, people of the forum, I can feel the USA reality isn't the same=20 from Chile. The AM band in Chile lost the audience battle not for=20 technical reasons: was the bad format the real reason. I'm not sure=20 when it happened but it happened: the most of AM stations left=20 the "beautiful" music and started with the=20 talk/sport/religious/politic format. It killed the AM band in Chile. Why I say it isn't a technical reasons? BECAUSE MOST OF THE FM=20 STATIONS IN CHILE SOUNDS VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY, SO, SO, SO, SO,=20 BAD. There always has been a very ugly trebles distortion in all of=20 them. The Stereo separation isn't good due to the high frecuencies=20 distortion. A good number of FM stations have a=20 talk/sport/religious/politic format too. AND, at last, the typical=20 music format is....... you know!!! the worst!!! Our little AM station (only 1KW power, proudly analog mono audio)=20 has a full music format all the day, everyday, and we have a very,=20 very, good audience rating, BUT THE RADIO AVERAGE OF ADVERTISING=20 INVESTMENT IN CHILE IS ONLY 8%, AND ONLY A 2% TO THE AM BAND. Why?=20 Because the advertising agencies don't trust in the AM power. Why?=20 Because the bad format of the most of AM stations!!! In other words: is a vicious circle. I have hope and faith we can revert it. Don't easy but not=20 impossible. At least: LET ME DREAM!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Mar 27 08:42:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16266 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2007 15:42:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2007 15:42:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52206.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.129) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2007 15:42:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 40295 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Mar 2007 15:42:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wL2iA2oVM1mMuiZK.lAZqpgBQWnLbQBn4LgGsgoimHEUb2IZT14FO5RwMLbKL8i__ySqQm.cGQ-- Received: from [209.213.19.67] by web52206.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:42:20 PDT Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:42:20 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4607F87C.1070007@peoplepc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <466143.39485.qm@web52206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: I got an HD Radio! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Xh0mHVGSoteQT1ajzZQhvj9zNljM1EUuGQ_hdFqSs48 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Juan wrote: > > I was the same way. I first heard AM Stereo on the > Radio Shack TM-152. It sounded horrible. I thought > to myself, what a piece of s**t ! My TM-152 sounds decent. > Lucky for me, my first listen to AM Stereo was a > KAHN ISB station on the > Kenwood KRC-959 AM-FM-Tape car stereo. I was blown > away, then WOWO 1190 > faded in and I was hooked for life! WOW, I had never > hear FM sound that > good, much less AM. Our local C-QUAM (WFBC 1330) > sounded horrible with > their RCA Ampliphase transmitter, but WWNC 570 > Sounded good. The only > system that didn't sound as good was the local > Harris station WESC 660, > and that was mostly the station's fault. I was not > the CE, but the > Continental 317C just would NOT pass audio above > 7KC. > > > I can't wait to hear how IBOC sounds in a car, > parked unser some > > noisy powerlines. If in fact it "blends to analog" > like I hear, I > > will doubt it will work here in South Florida. We > have many noisy > > powerlines and almost constant static in the > Summer from T-Storms. > I have been tempted to get the new JVC HD-Radio at > Walmart and try it > out in my Van. It would be interesting to see how it > performs in the > Florida Thunder Storm season. > > my only concern for long term success is > Programming. I > > just don't think there is hope there. That's for sure. > > I also doubt many small stations will be able to > afford to make the switch, that is why I think it > will never go all digital, but then again...... Good stations may. > For most Small-market AMs to go HD-Radio, it will > require replacement of > the entire plant from the Mixing boards to the ATU. > Some will even have > to replace the antenna farm. Since the stations have > not made money > since the 1980s, and their land is worth more than > the station itself, > The only small stations you will see go HD-Radio are > play toys for the > rich like WPCI 1490 (Radio Randy) or after the > technology matures more > successful small stations like WNMB may give it a > go. The other small > stations will be drowned in a sea of interference > from the stations that > do switch to HD. And lets not forget the small TOWN stations. That' s a lot of stations below the small market moniker. WKDK is in that category. All they have to do is replace the Optimod and get the IBOC exciter from BE. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Mar 27 08:56:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33435 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2007 15:56:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2007 15:56:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2007 15:55:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 7313 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Mar 2007 15:55:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LNg8mlIVM1kBR47ETizuj_.el4v_7rJj7PxpxlbERhIhAv.XditXbXme0q9kGzPtt64NiEyKgQ-- Received: from [209.213.19.67] by web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:55:46 PDT Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:55:46 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <46080145.4030502@peoplepc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <947092.5966.qm@web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} I got an HD Radio! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=-H7w2TMwiRzKG-t1_M-vJk2hA5JC26EbHJeMx3w4O_0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Richard Wagoner wrote: > > On this list people won't admit it, but the vast > > majority of AM radios suck. That includes most AM > stereo radios and receivers. There are some decent ones, but you have to hunt. > I have been saying this for YEARS! The single worst > offender is > GM-Delco. The low bandwidth AM radios from the 70s > and early 80s coupled > with the antenna in the windshield glass all but > killed AM in cars where > most radio listening happens. My 1982 full size Olds wagon has the antenna in the windshield but that radio picks up amazingly well. > > In Greenville, SC AM lost out to FM between 1983 and > 1987. It started > with Top-40 WQOK loosing to WANS-FM, then Country > WESC switching to FM > and Country WCKI loosing to WSSL-FM, EZ-Big Band > WMRB loosing to > WMUU-FM, Oldies-AC WFBC loosing to WMYI-FM and > finaly R&B WHYZ loosing > to Z-104. Now the ONLY AM doing anything is former > WFBC, now WYRD > simulcasting News-Talk with former WSPA, now WORD. Yep. > Now WORD's Russ and Lisa are getting real > competition with Oldies 103 > and "Awake With Drake", a former WSPA-AM show. Can't hear 103, I guess I need a large FM antenna and rotor. > LOL > Other than the two > Country stations and WMYI, the Greenville radios > stations have all been > playing "Format of the Month" for quite a while. it > will be interesting > to see how they all settle down. You forgot WSPA-FM. The new Low power > FM on Paris Mountain > has been giving WMUU a run for their EZ-Listening > audience, and WCKI > switched from Baptist bible banger to Catholic! > WOLI-FM switched from > Alternative Rock to Oldies to Progressive bible > banger to Black bible > banger and now back to Oldies! Even from down here > in Florida, it is an > interesting Soap Opera to watch. WCKI must have been bought by the Catholics. The low power FM ,if it's on Paris Mountain may not be legal....power and height restrictions are rather choking. Powell From starship_2001@msn.com Tue Mar 27 15:57:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22695 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2007 22:57:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2007 22:57:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s39.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.111) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2007 22:57:45 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.136.26]) by bay0-omc1-s39.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:54:35 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:54:36 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.4 by BAY131-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:54:34 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:54:34 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2007 22:54:36.0137 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4688590:01C770C2] Return-Path: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.111 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: WLS still Stereo (nights) ??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=G4u0y1_Ws6b-ncR650wlliiwr88sdNv9cEo29MgG4NPZoSWd7zwvc6mLMg X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is WLS still running stereo at night ?? could someone possibly verify for me TIA. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Mar 27 17:59:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67914 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2007 00:59:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2007 00:59:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2007 00:59:23 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.235.250.106.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.235.250.106]) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HWMVW-0005Nt-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:59:22 -0400 Message-ID: <4609BDEF.3090909@peoplepc.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:59:27 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <947092.5966.qm@web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <947092.5966.qm@web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} I got an HD Radio! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=_y09O41rxV-guvSsr7iQIIealWLbHZhc_jkyl3eLA5TtsGVLp01VSzzsFqsSYA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > Can't hear 103, I guess I need a large FM antenna and > rotor. > It is just a 3KW Class A. It would take a REAL GOOD antenna and tuner to get it. > The low power FM ,if it's on Paris Mountain may not be legal....power and height restrictions are rather choking. Yup, it is legal! It seems the height restrictions are all above ground level, not average terrain. When I was up there last, it had a real decent signal. Possum From 100kw@psmith.us Tue Mar 27 19:08:42 2007 Return-Path: <100kw@psmith.us> X-Sender: 100kw@psmith.us X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38999 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2007 02:08:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2007 02:08:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.187) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2007 02:08:39 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n5.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2007 02:08:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2007 02:08:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2007 02:08:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 02:08:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.194.40.34 From: "Philip J. Smith" <100kw@psmith.us> Subject: Re: WLS still Stereo (nights) ??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188651084; y=AUwi9_xkPMVVEXXr9fRAvkD6anBP44HGpe333OvY57sK_8_L6xFh X-Yahoo-Profile: philjsmith67 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Norbert 26" =20 wrote: > > Is WLS still running stereo at night ?? could someone possibly verify=20 for me TIA. Sorry Norbert... I am listening to WLS right now, and it is a=20 flamethrower where I am (about 20 miles away). WLS is not only mono,=20 it is also cropped at 5kHz to accommodate the daytime HD Radio signal. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Mar 27 21:03:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78405 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2007 04:03:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2007 04:03:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2007 04:03:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 80546 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Mar 2007 04:03:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: NiDq1rgVM1ml5cDgshaftg8wJibqieA9KkY6tbz.cDVawp8zO0p3J8CH_KnXjo5E.2ceJzybygKnpq6zDXcWlPdVFIUV7_2CH0Woww.bLDrfguc1DsJkvLnsBA-- Received: from [72.240.139.231] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:03:51 PDT Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:03:51 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <74990.80023.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re:I got the R.S. ACcurian X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=I0sQTjUYvfwRckNyyZl8oYG54aYCoM-mY88_1Lp6BsverUU-lief50o X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I talked to my Radio Shack assistant manager and asked him why the Accurian wasn't out of the box on the shelf so I could play with it. He indicated that he was instructed to leave the radio in the box as you couldn't pick up the local HD stations in their store! (based on the RS store at the mall, he would be correct, I'm sorry to say). At least back in 1986 when I went to the Shack and played with the TM-152 I could at least get the red light to light up on a 5KW local AM stereo station. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Mar 27 21:35:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76646 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2007 04:35:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2007 04:35:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.10) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2007 04:35:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2007 04:35:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2007 04:35:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 04:35:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.65 From: "jotape1960" Subject: A Radio World commentary X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=QPzuLow5MfTCxcuj4anLSO2iuVRShR_ruWJtQVaYhE10rBTd_A X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI GUYS!!! I'm not sure if the english versions of the RADIOWORLD issues are=20 the same than the spanish versions always. I hope it is so. Well, in the spanish version from November, 2006, George W. Woodard,=20 from Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, wrote about the 5 kHz audio=20 bandwidth restriction and "how it helps the AM" ??? Is there somebody who can agree with that idea? He talk about the very bad audio bandwidth of most AM receivers and=20 how the transmitters can help if they use a 5 kHz filter restriction. ??? If we record an audio material with HI-FI characteristics and then=20 we filter it with a 5 kHz bandwidth... we only get a very poor and=20 bad 5 kHz bandwidth!!! I can't see how the filter could help. If the IBOC transmitters have a 5 kHz analog audio bandwidth, day=20 and night, I can't see how somebody, with an standard analog AM=20 receiver, can get some help from it. ??? Well, If you want the full article, you must to look for in the=20 RADIOWORLD webpage and search "November 2006", to read it. BUT I INSIST THE ANALOG AUDIO AM WILL WIN THE BATTLE!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Mar 28 05:05:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99279 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2007 12:05:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m37a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2007 12:05:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.37.185) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2007 12:05:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 55131 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Mar 2007 12:05:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20070328120525.55129.qmail@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: AuHwpaEVM1ncqJEgcDN7aX7aE0IEhoMT8k8lrUV3fNwE2EhpoifbBPTxQdPmiV4kPsjveP0f_K2rh84IlzOvrFQvy2iK2XaKPJqlHS5o29ajW_VoRisuI7NZOK.waQ-- Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 05:05:25 PDT Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 05:05:25 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.37.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Totals for 3/28/07 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=EQG3O4PbqEs-2AaRI8vDqi4lY8ZDGx0ydssOImXCQHuhHXXQmRj8 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio From the list from www.amstereoradio.com there are 168 A.M. stereo stations. 98 are in the U.S. (incl V.I. & P.R.) followed by 16 in Japan; 14 in Canada (where's CHML/900-Hamilton, On.?); 4 each in Austrailia, Taiwan & Thailand (hey look @ that: AT&T!); 3 each in Hong Kong, Mexico, South Africa & Venezuela; 2 each in Brazil, the Dominican Republic, Italy & Phillipines; 1 each in the Bahamas, Costa Rica, France, Indonesia, Panama, Paraguay, South Korea, & Swaziland. There are rumors that WVEI/1440-Worcester, Ma. is still stereo although they are relaying mono WEEI/850-Boston. I'm too far from Worcester to hear this. I will verify CHML tonight when the sun goes down but they have been in stereo very recently (within the last month) unless someone else lives close to Hamilton, On.. Jay N1WVQ/WQBI410/V31VQ ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Mar 28 10:40:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26484 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2007 17:39:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2007 17:39:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO qmix.com) (209.43.120.44) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2007 17:39:54 -0000 Received: from jburgan (host-69-95-183-85.ind.choiceone.net [69.95.183.85]) by qmix.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l2SHdr925738 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:39:53 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01c77160$1ea9c4b0$ab0110ac@jburgan> To: References: Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:39:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 209.43.120.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS still Stereo (nights) ??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=MqADuGMM1fkAVhfbM_kHls7hnCZrw4A7NKf2jgZ2hSexw5Y X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Is WLS still running stereo at night ?? could someone possibly verify for > me TIA. Nope... when they shut down the IBOC stuff at sunset, they stay with their crappy 5KHz mono audio for the overnight. The glory hath departed... From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Mar 28 10:45:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82064 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2007 17:45:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2007 17:45:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO qmix.com) (209.43.120.44) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2007 17:45:57 -0000 Received: from jburgan (host-69-95-183-85.ind.choiceone.net [69.95.183.85]) by qmix.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l2SHdr925738 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:39:53 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01c77160$1ea9c4b0$ab0110ac@jburgan> To: References: Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:39:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 209.43.120.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS still Stereo (nights) ??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=GClGJQs-rOrjzs8EVSYmg4tdKwyuC1MXnPNAUrq21fSBKH8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Is WLS still running stereo at night ?? could someone possibly verify for > me TIA. Nope... when they shut down the IBOC stuff at sunset, they stay with their crappy 5KHz mono audio for the overnight. The glory hath departed... From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Mar 28 14:46:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87877 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2007 21:31:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2007 21:31:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2007 21:31:59 -0000 Received: from fl-69-68-8-34.sta.embarqhsd.net ([69.68.8.34] helo=[192.168.1.4]) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HWfZ6-0006Y0-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:20:20 -0400 Message-ID: <460A7493.7000103@peoplepc.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:58:43 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <74990.80023.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <74990.80023.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:I got the R.S. ACcurian X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=v89OqrMG9RaGM58ib-SA-zg7DBihfu_dozbzwsoQEu0XxJcjoJgcgoheww0dkA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 John P. wrote: > He indicated that he was instructed to leave the radio in the box as > you couldn't pick up the local HD stations in their store! (based on > the RS store at the mall, he would be correct, I'm sorry to say). You would think they would connect it to an outside antenna on the roof like our local Rat Shack did. Oh well, Kevin From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Mar 28 18:07:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72668 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2007 01:03:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2007 01:03:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2007 01:03:43 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.111]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 162984782-1881964 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:01:52 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <004401c7719e$df0d22e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <001d01c77160$1ea9c4b0$ab0110ac@jburgan> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:08:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=2, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.111 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS still Stereo (nights) ??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=sweKX8NVRcOdq-wzsjFhgCi3OIH95CLkeCTHZZa11s7sD1DkmSvi X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude They were in full stereo this morning. Tuned them in for the Rush Limbaugh Morning Update at 5:06AM. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Burgan" > > Is WLS still running stereo at night ?? could someone possibly verify for > > me TIA. > > Nope... when they shut down the IBOC stuff at sunset, they stay with their > crappy 5KHz mono audio for the overnight. > The glory hath departed... From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Mar 28 18:29:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11655 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2007 01:28:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2007 01:28:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2007 01:28:30 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.54.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.54]) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HWjFV-00009V-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:16:21 -0400 Message-ID: <460B136B.7070003@peoplepc.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:16:27 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <001d01c77160$1ea9c4b0$ab0110ac@jburgan> <004401c7719e$df0d22e0$d503fea9@stodd> In-Reply-To: <004401c7719e$df0d22e0$d503fea9@stodd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS still Stereo (nights) ??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=DUPgQEMCZ316IzmOaqCIxySQG0e5ft8lV7J2W90DRoIZlefhNf-ZAw1RYs_Gbw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Scott Todd wrote: > They were in full stereo this morning. Tuned them in for the Rush Limbaugh > Morning Update at 5:06AM. That was the Standby transmitter you heard. Kevin From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Mar 28 19:53:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43822 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2007 02:44:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2007 02:44:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2007 02:44:26 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.111]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 162984782-1881964 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:01:52 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <004401c7719e$df0d22e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <001d01c77160$1ea9c4b0$ab0110ac@jburgan> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:08:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=2, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.111 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS still Stereo (nights) ??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=nvd88CqCsAMNB6QtpfJG-hYA5HN3xUdDa-QP0bNqmgxB_hOhA1lD X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude They were in full stereo this morning. Tuned them in for the Rush Limbaugh Morning Update at 5:06AM. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Burgan" > > Is WLS still running stereo at night ?? could someone possibly verify for > > me TIA. > > Nope... when they shut down the IBOC stuff at sunset, they stay with their > crappy 5KHz mono audio for the overnight. > The glory hath departed... From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Mar 28 20:08:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62325 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2007 03:08:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m37a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2007 03:08:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2007 03:08:43 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.111]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 161450392-1881964 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:22:48 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <008c01c771a1$cbd5ac80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:30:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 2, in=4, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.111 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Radio World commentary X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=mA8ayYF0hwhgJWTEuWZu7KCWB6UgMaNRqF6-in8VMqQQHikwfoPm X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Plenty of others have disagreed with him in letters which made it to the pages of RW; including some list members. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" Well, in the spanish version from November, 2006, George W. Woodard, from Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, wrote about the 5 kHz audio bandwidth restriction and "how it helps the AM" ??? Is there somebody who can agree with that idea? He talk about the very bad audio bandwidth of most AM receivers and how the transmitters can help if they use a 5 kHz filter restriction. ??? If we record an audio material with HI-FI characteristics and then we filter it with a 5 kHz bandwidth... we only get a very poor and bad 5 kHz bandwidth!!! I can't see how the filter could help. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Mar 28 21:05:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47143 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2007 03:57:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2007 03:57:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2007 03:57:03 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.111]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 162984782-1881964 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:01:52 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <004401c7719e$df0d22e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <001d01c77160$1ea9c4b0$ab0110ac@jburgan> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:08:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=2, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.111 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS still Stereo (nights) ??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=8E2cF06c201WsmVsKZwIswz_8Iq5wmJyOGLtQVOWU3TfjqDuZT_x X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude They were in full stereo this morning. Tuned them in for the Rush Limbaugh Morning Update at 5:06AM. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Burgan" > > Is WLS still running stereo at night ?? could someone possibly verify for > > me TIA. > > Nope... when they shut down the IBOC stuff at sunset, they stay with their > crappy 5KHz mono audio for the overnight. > The glory hath departed... From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Mar 28 22:02:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74193 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2007 05:02:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2007 05:02:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2007 05:02:25 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.111]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 162984782-1881964 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:01:52 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <004401c7719e$df0d22e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <001d01c77160$1ea9c4b0$ab0110ac@jburgan> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:08:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=2, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.111 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS still Stereo (nights) ??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=RoweZjMzjt-MYo7ZM2UzFpKY0HQlxbfaAekDwc2jy1Un0yDKjhD5 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude They were in full stereo this morning. Tuned them in for the Rush Limbaugh Morning Update at 5:06AM. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Burgan" > > Is WLS still running stereo at night ?? could someone possibly verify for > > me TIA. > > Nope... when they shut down the IBOC stuff at sunset, they stay with their > crappy 5KHz mono audio for the overnight. > The glory hath departed... From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Mar 28 23:48:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14851 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2007 06:38:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2007 06:38:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2007 06:38:11 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.111]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 161450392-1881964 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:22:48 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <008c01c771a1$cbd5ac80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:30:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 2, in=4, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.111 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Radio World commentary X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=1vwzvAebUP8tLVtpRFWBjcjp_UBc6vSyE8SPPO3wZ95S-bU_f-KI X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Plenty of others have disagreed with him in letters which made it to the pages of RW; including some list members. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" Well, in the spanish version from November, 2006, George W. Woodard, from Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, wrote about the 5 kHz audio bandwidth restriction and "how it helps the AM" ??? Is there somebody who can agree with that idea? He talk about the very bad audio bandwidth of most AM receivers and how the transmitters can help if they use a 5 kHz filter restriction. ??? If we record an audio material with HI-FI characteristics and then we filter it with a 5 kHz bandwidth... we only get a very poor and bad 5 kHz bandwidth!!! I can't see how the filter could help. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Mar 29 00:43:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52592 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2007 07:18:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2007 07:18:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2007 07:18:16 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.111]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 162984782-1881964 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:01:52 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <004401c7719e$df0d22e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <001d01c77160$1ea9c4b0$ab0110ac@jburgan> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:08:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=2, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.111 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS still Stereo (nights) ??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=_bgNBkdiTwuyFrtqTuS9jtQK3ea9BNuIJp0Icpztx0tkWlGZrrQ9 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude They were in full stereo this morning. Tuned them in for the Rush Limbaugh Morning Update at 5:06AM. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Burgan" > > Is WLS still running stereo at night ?? could someone possibly verify for > > me TIA. > > Nope... when they shut down the IBOC stuff at sunset, they stay with their > crappy 5KHz mono audio for the overnight. > The glory hath departed... From starship_2001@msn.com Thu Mar 29 01:07:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71442 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2007 07:47:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2007 07:47:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s16.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.88) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2007 07:47:38 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.136.16]) by bay0-omc1-s16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 03:19:51 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 03:19:51 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.5 by BAY131-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:19:47 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:19:47 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2007 10:19:51.0573 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F1E2C50:01C77122] Return-Path: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:I got the R.S. ACcurian X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=Vt3a2jQUR_9iGsTy1UuMS4JiqqV73vrpl29WDo-v18OG194m1gznAeKhdg X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My RS had it set up by the window with all the home theater stuff. I did get the FM HD on a couple locals in the store . When i tried AM i could only get the analog on either of the two local IBOC stations. -----Original Message----- From: John P. Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 12:03 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re:I got the R.S. ACcurian I talked to my Radio Shack assistant manager and asked him why the Accurian wasn't out of the box on the shelf so I could play with it. He indicated that he was instructed to leave the radio in the box as you couldn't pick up the local HD stations in their store! (based on the RS store at the mall, he would be correct, I'm sorry to say). At least back in 1986 when I went to the Shack and played with the TM-152 I could at least get the red light to light up on a 5KW local AM stereo station. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Mar 29 01:14:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30536 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2007 08:14:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m37a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2007 08:14:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fall-lakeland.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (207.69.195.103) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2007 08:14:07 -0000 Received: from francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net ([207.69.200.54]) by fall-lakeland.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HWfnz-0001ca-S0 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:35:43 -0400 Received: from fl-69-68-8-34.sta.embarqhsd.net ([69.68.8.34] helo=[192.168.1.4]) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HWfZ6-0006Y0-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:20:20 -0400 Message-ID: <460A7493.7000103@peoplepc.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:58:43 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <74990.80023.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <74990.80023.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.195.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:I got the R.S. ACcurian X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=nIH3XaF6HoIpjjpoX3xe6Xch9-zra1OqQD-0QgT71uuxL8EajbfLGfxCL3l3RA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 John P. wrote: > He indicated that he was instructed to leave the radio in the box as > you couldn't pick up the local HD stations in their store! (based on > the RS store at the mall, he would be correct, I'm sorry to say). You would think they would connect it to an outside antenna on the roof like our local Rat Shack did. Oh well, Kevin From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Mar 29 01:23:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88280 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2007 08:13:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2007 08:13:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fall-lakeland.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (207.69.195.103) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2007 08:13:19 -0000 Received: from francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net ([207.69.200.54]) by fall-lakeland.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HWfur-0003vx-Nk for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:42:49 -0400 Received: from fl-69-68-8-34.sta.embarqhsd.net ([69.68.8.34] helo=[192.168.1.4]) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HWfZ7-0006ZB-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:20:21 -0400 Message-ID: <460A780A.4030906@peoplepc.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:13:30 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.195.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Radio World commentary X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=FvY60zn3yGMmTFpqjCwEXSSvtl4tiw_GhS7rt5twh9UCtroOqXIWNKwyCVwvjQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jotape1960 wrote: > Well, in the spanish version from November, 2006, George W. Woodard, > from Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, wrote about the 5 kHz audio > bandwidth restriction and "how it helps the AM" > International Short-Wave radio is limited to 5 kHz bandwidth, as is Medium Wave AM in many parts of the World. The 5 kHz bandwidth does allow louder modulation before you hit 100%, can make the PA tubes last longer, and reduces adjacent channel interference. > Is there somebody who can agree with that idea? > I have been saying all along that News-Talkers should be restricted to 5 kHz to reduce interference, while Music stations should be allowed 15 kHz bandwidth for fidelity. > He talk about the very bad audio bandwidth of most AM receivers and > how the transmitters can help if they use a 5 kHz filter restriction. > It does make it easier to tune an analog tuner. > If the IBOC transmitters have a 5 kHz analog audio bandwidth, day > and night, I can't see how somebody, with an standard analog AM > receiver, can get some help from it. > They don't because of the HUGE bandwidth of the Hybrid HD-Radio signal > BUT I INSIST THE ANALOG AUDIO AM WILL WIN THE BATTLE!!!!!!! > Maybe, but the AM radio band "Battlefield" will be destroyed even more by the battle! Blessed be, Kevin From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Mar 29 01:54:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45797 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2007 08:54:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2007 08:54:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2007 08:54:28 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.111]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 161450392-1881964 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:22:48 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <008c01c771a1$cbd5ac80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:30:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 2, in=4, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.111 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Radio World commentary X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=baZWlLTexQMN1L02c3CsGPGD2AAvxvWN2hGrzQctUSNs-Pai-j_G X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Plenty of others have disagreed with him in letters which made it to the pages of RW; including some list members. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" Well, in the spanish version from November, 2006, George W. Woodard, from Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, wrote about the 5 kHz audio bandwidth restriction and "how it helps the AM" ??? Is there somebody who can agree with that idea? He talk about the very bad audio bandwidth of most AM receivers and how the transmitters can help if they use a 5 kHz filter restriction. ??? If we record an audio material with HI-FI characteristics and then we filter it with a 5 kHz bandwidth... we only get a very poor and bad 5 kHz bandwidth!!! I can't see how the filter could help. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Mar 29 02:52:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5189 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2007 09:52:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2007 09:52:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fall-curlleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (207.69.195.105) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2007 09:52:09 -0000 Received: from jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net ([207.69.200.63]) by fall-curlleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HWjUt-00019P-4G for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:32:15 -0400 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.54.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.54]) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HWjFV-00009V-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:16:21 -0400 Message-ID: <460B136B.7070003@peoplepc.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:16:27 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <001d01c77160$1ea9c4b0$ab0110ac@jburgan> <004401c7719e$df0d22e0$d503fea9@stodd> In-Reply-To: <004401c7719e$df0d22e0$d503fea9@stodd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.195.105 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS still Stereo (nights) ??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=DuYdbfw06fUWby7xXNXVDWb-MuDKeiFL0d7BjouJBDGLrQDBdNa9EtXxyjDQcg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Scott Todd wrote: > They were in full stereo this morning. Tuned them in for the Rush Limbaugh > Morning Update at 5:06AM. That was the Standby transmitter you heard. Kevin From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Mar 29 03:19:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38563 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2007 10:19:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2007 10:19:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.229) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2007 10:19:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 65595 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Mar 2007 10:19:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20070329101907.65593.qmail@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: r_PQUVQVM1nWSLvUzTHqlnBoQwskO8IAl3TaYIU1YO8dlTvNTWzq9KEu6A8d3aSHGuPyygS56d0ie0iSJGNHc5nTT1KUi8jklJtlB0dk3mve60DJPK2W2gFFB8GU Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 03:19:07 PDT Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 03:19:07 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: CHML X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=YHbNWUR2Qsw03SxcF6X1sVJni3_u9CXH2Q4vk9zpv42wvtPx9gBc X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio CHML/900 has a pilot tone. The signal oddly enough faded any time music came on but there IS a pilot on 900. I don't know about separation. Also last night there was a pilot with WCRN/830-Worcester, Ma. although this too was an unstable signal. There's a rumor that 1440/WVEI-Worcester, Ma. is stereo but they take a mono feed from WEEI. They DO relay WEEI but I don't know if it's stereo. Apparently there WAS a pilot tone almost 2 yrs. ago. Jay ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html From starship_2001@msn.com Thu Mar 29 04:24:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42715 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2007 11:23:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2007 11:23:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s15.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.151) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2007 11:23:45 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.136.24]) by bay0-omc2-s15.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 04:22:35 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 04:22:35 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.3 by BAY131-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:22:34 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:22:34 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2007 11:22:35.0705 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D20E290:01C771F4] Return-Path: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} CHML X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=RfWpu1stEC5UNuWbVQ7iwwqOdpBitqjt1YSPW3Jfid6mjBH3Arb8EruS8g X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe WCRN 830 could have been "falsing"or interfence tripping it. Its not listed as AM stereo. -----Original Message----- From: JNR Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 6:19 AM To: AMSF Subject: {AMSF} CHML CHML/900 has a pilot tone. The signal oddly enough faded any time music came on but there IS a pilot on 900. I don't know about separation. Also last night there was a pilot with WCRN/830-Worcester, Ma. although this too was an unstable signal. There's a rumor that 1440/WVEI-Worcester, Ma. is stereo but they take a mono feed from WEEI. They DO relay WEEI but I don't know if it's stereo. Apparently there WAS a pilot tone almost 2 yrs. ago. Jay ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Mar 29 05:34:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99380 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2007 12:34:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2007 12:34:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.230) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2007 12:34:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 55276 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Mar 2007 01:25:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20070329012535.55274.qmail@web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Cg9SCCUVM1mq4cW1eIR_nj56iSD2XAEjprhbnNtM Received: from [68.14.13.179] by web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:25:35 PDT Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:25:35 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: CHML X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=DhRSl7IjC2ofwfh_0FzG3GDGsPqEQcu8QBCq-crXV6g5wh8RmeLP X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio CHML is still stereo or at least a pilot tone. Curiously, WCRN/830-Worcester, Ma. also had a pilot tone on it. I'll have to see tomorrow during the day. Jay ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Mar 29 05:36:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60072 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2007 12:36:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2007 12:36:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.233) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2007 12:36:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 9779 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Mar 2007 12:34:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20070329123458.9777.qmail@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 1K_EfxoVM1mrFPSt8V3p_z9wTKvECOn_o2tCo6BEv0U2J3izN7t7HHXoiGCMwglpx1dj9PR_qq4088CcrLjTa4anlCLbTfJi.v_A_EV325Em7qkdCRJwy66HTaEMGA-- Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 05:34:58 PDT Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 05:34:58 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} CHML X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=6smiSNIgKb7EYrjUEyrqkfepkgLhaSK1c6w1o2JNxiukF9z603ol X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I'm going to check 830 when I leave work a little after 9 this morning. 830 has a pretty good groundwave signal into R.I.. Jay ____________________________________________________________________________________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 29 17:39:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87431 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2007 00:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2007 00:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.248) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2007 00:38:59 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2007 00:38:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2007 00:38:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2007 00:38:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 00:38:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20070329101907.65593.qmail@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.248 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.239.233.135 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: CHML X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=4EEs0RqrcwXJLOcBgbijnXKennJFy9aGCWdWRtngMD3RaUxkng X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > CHML/900 has a pilot tone. The signal oddly > enough faded any time music came on but there IS > a pilot on 900. I don't know about separation.=20 I do often get a pilot from CHML, but I haven't heard any true stereo=20 from them in years. They do have very nice CRL audio processing,=20 however. Today's typical major-market Optimod / Omnia processing is=20 designed only with narrowband mono listeners in mind, so it is a=20 refreshing change to hear the crisp "hi-fi" sound of CRL processing=20 on a big 50,000-watt AM signal. I just wish CHML would play more=20 music! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 29 17:47:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84163 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2007 00:47:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2007 00:47:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.25) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2007 00:47:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2007 00:44:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2007 00:44:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 00:44:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.239.233.135 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Yahoo Groups multiple posts problem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=_egTHl3Q9TtbVHN-07Y9IJV9RQVEQ4f91qAa3BQx6H-eDLsOkw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics As you might have seen already, Yahoo Groups is currently having a=20 problem with messages getting posted multiple times, so please bear=20 with us until they get it fixed. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Mar 29 20:53:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6812 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2007 03:53:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2007 03:53:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.253) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2007 03:53:33 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n30.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2007 03:53:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2007 03:53:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2007 03:53:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 03:53:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.253 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.58 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: CHML X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=3-4cb_G9INFTSWNtFc1sucihW7qtTtAm_MeBwLJvp1btPRMfeQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > > > CHML/900 has a pilot tone. The signal oddly > > enough faded any time music came on but there IS > > a pilot on 900. I don't know about separation.=20 >=20 > I do often get a pilot from CHML, but I haven't heard any true=20 stereo=20 > from them in years. They do have very nice CRL audio processing,=20 > however. Today's typical major-market Optimod / Omnia processing is=20 > designed only with narrowband mono listeners in mind, so it is a=20 > refreshing change to hear the crisp "hi-fi" sound of CRL processing=20 > on a big 50,000-watt AM signal. I just wish CHML would play more=20 > music! > I'm so happy to hear somebody, but me, thinks Optimod isn't the best!!! I'm not saying "Orban Optimod-AM" is a bad tool. I'm only saying it=20 isn't the best!!! I prefer a more open and crisp "HI-FI" processing. That's all. And, knowing the risk to be treated as a complete idiot, I think the=20 best AM processing is... THE NON-PROCESSING SIGNALS. What? Yes, non=20 pre-emphassis, non equalization, a light three (or more) bands AGC,=20 and a "just-in-case" full band peak limiter, in other words: just a=20 pure, crystal and natural clear and crisp sound. That's all. Of course, with 50,000 watts carrier power... I don't understand why=20 to use any artifact tool. If you want to listen a lot of music in AM, simple, just move yourself=20 to Chile, hahaahahahaahaha!!!!! (Don't ask me about other countries,=20 but Brazil and Argentine have a very good AM music format, sometimes). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Mar 30 13:00:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94741 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2007 20:00:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m37a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2007 20:00:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.228) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2007 20:00:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 30006 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Mar 2007 20:00:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20070330200027.30004.qmail@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: HOCMGs0VM1laECeRDlwzoqWmB4ta1N_NGCPt_uBlCJnoyGkjhffyQ93XTGMiRhaWZA-- Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:00:27 PDT Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:00:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CHML X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=k0asB34N6fHnD3XCLvdJpI6cYCs70z8JrkM7-hssF57lKcnPi3Af X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I'm not entirely sure but I think I did hear a bumper in stereo about 2 months ago on CHML. Then again every once in awhile I thought I heard stereo over 'KB when they were playing music. Jay ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Mar 30 16:28:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64687 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2007 23:28:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2007 23:28:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2007 23:28:32 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.210.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.210]) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HXQVp-0003N5-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:28:05 -0400 Message-ID: <460D1474.1050805@peoplepc.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:45:24 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CHML X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=mjtUQSVuVYhQ-8YdQqJCoBplAgbvo9S67Nyksel_RZFeE3-q3dj-TccYesdHQQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 JNR wrote: >> They do have very nice CRL audio processing, >> however. Today's typical major-market Optimod / Omnia processing is >> designed only with narrowband mono listeners in mind, so it is a >> refreshing change to hear the crisp "hi-fi" sound of CRL processing >> on a big 50,000-watt AM signal. You can set up an Optimod or Omnia to sound Hi Fi. You can also mud up CRLs. It depends how how good the Engineer is at keeping the PD away from the processing! I have set up some pretty creative ways to keep the PD's paws off my processing over the years, including a full set of working CRLs in the rack, while the Optimod that was driving the transmitters was locked in a cabinet! LOL It was funny, he would tweak them CRLs almost every morning and go out and listen in his car and just brag on how much better it sounded. Only the GM and I knew the truth. Kevin From w6yn@juno.com Fri Mar 30 21:48:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19253 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2007 04:48:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2007 04:48:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2007 04:48:33 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABDA538XA4VKF22 for (sender ); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:47:17 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLGCKqOhqeDOAehtenvzC6RA= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MH5T5EHU; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:46:39 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:46:23 -0800 Message-ID: <20070330.204624.2176.4.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.49 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,5-7 X-ContentStamp: 2:2:3468656168 X-MAIL-INFO:3debce7fce6747d77f7b7b1b6f2fdf5f0b9e23cab7b7cb8e0f0e6a8ea34bea6e6ee7ebc7eb6ea387cf7ecf7a2f7b7b X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: HD Radio at NAB 2007 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=BhHDh-NQhQZDUAKDXAcPmsNyjU1DqUQJ6qJM-Q9Xcw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn "BE HD Radio Seminar at NAB 2007" "The annual HD Radio Seminar in Las Vegas is your best opportunity to get up-to-date on the latest technologies, learn from others, share your experiences and increase your odds of becoming a hero to everyone at your station." "Register now for the annual BE HD Radio Tech Seminar at NAB 2007" http://www.bdcast.com/dontpanic/06.html From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Mar 31 18:26:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83675 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2007 01:25:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2007 01:25:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2007 01:25:59 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2007 01:25:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2007 01:25:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 01:25:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.239.233.135 From: "Kevin T." Subject: The ultimate Delco AM Stereo car radio! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=lfFXHnEOaCODZfrSrajJWAERrOrZpioFZUBdRAYWwocpflBLOw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Top-of-the-line Buicks in the late '80s had a green-phosphor CRT=20 touch screen in the dashboard, which functioned as the radio, climate=20 controls, gauges, and other various features. You may have seen it=20 back then and been amazed at a car with a computer in the dashboard. The concept of having a CRT in your dash is still amazing even today,=20 especially since it includes Delco C-Quam AM Stereo! Unfortunately I=20 don't have a snapshot of its "Radio" screen, which likely would have=20 an "AM ST" button on the screen, but here is the "Summary" screen,=20 which shows some of the radio controls: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/reattad.jpg Pretty impressive stuff, but unfortunately you can't put this into=20 any GM car! I believe only the Buick Riviera and Buick Reatta were=20 available with the dashboard computer, in the late '80s and early=20 '90s. Here is the window sticker from a 1989 Buick Reatta: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/reattas.jpg And the shocking thing is, as the photo above shows, it is Y2k=20 compliant! From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Mar 31 19:49:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11320 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2007 02:49:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2007 02:49:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52208.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.131) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2007 02:49:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 70361 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Apr 2007 02:49:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: s7t8EpAVM1l_WXXFI0xR_9brj7XPJH8LpbE_MCGNcsRt.Iz7NkmgIcicBAwDH6iiQHET2BWT5A-- Received: from [209.213.19.40] by web52208.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 Mar 2007 19:49:29 PDT Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 19:49:29 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <132967.53378.qm@web52208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The ultimate Delco AM Stereo car radio! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=k4zhrJb7sgU6N3NFR6G-mjpF3_4raOLOQpDUjCNkezM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW My friend's 1992 Oldsmobile Toronado has the computer with COLOR CRT and touch screen. And of course AM stereo. Car now has 300.000 miles on it. Powell From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Apr 01 22:39:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14889 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2007 05:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2007 05:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2007 05:39:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2007 05:38:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2007 05:38:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 05:38:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <132967.53378.qm@web52208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.66 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The ultimate Delco AM Stereo car radio! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=ImE8uTzZJN6Dk-cAzBLQhjzToR82jmveI-s8fGgM_wqzDZePvQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > My friend's 1992 Oldsmobile Toronado has the computer > with COLOR CRT and touch screen. And of course AM > stereo. >=20 > Car now has 300.000 miles on it. >=20 > Powell > Sorry guys!!! It was/is an excessive price to my reality (Chile). But, despite the price, I read one Popular Mechanics from 1995 (or=20 1996?) with a "do-it-yourself" electronic kits which had a CRT=20 screen and other basic computer functions for any car. I'm not sure=20 if that kit had the radio operating options and I don't know if that=20 kit is available today. Of course, if you have the money, I think the best AM Stereo tuner=20 available today (according to its characteristics, at least) is the=20 WiNRADiO WR-G305 Receiver PC card. There is two versions: internal=20 and external. The problems are: 1) It's so expensive!!! (Think it's just a radio tuner!!!) 2) I'm not sure if you can use it into a car (both models, including=20 the external USB version, which you can use in a car with a laptop,=20 need a very good external aerial). Why don't all the AM broadcasters join their forces and ask new and=20 cheap AM Stereo receivers from the manufacters? A question without answer? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Apr 02 06:30:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65810 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2007 13:25:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2007 13:25:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52205.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.128) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2007 13:25:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 7486 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Apr 2007 13:25:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20070402132509.7481.qmail@web52205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: FDwPQW0VM1nnxzlgRdi5jM5FXyR4K8rjfv7KGdbwwghNuyU5PHZ2o8xMO6E2WAjQOI7f3iV17g-- Received: from [209.213.19.183] by web52205.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 06:25:09 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 06:25:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The ultimate Delco AM Stereo car radio! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=uJ7QkglRoxebhGbKoXzmhqWxWIByycmR4wLOazjWXSY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jotape1960 wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > > > > My friend's 1992 Oldsmobile Toronado has the > computer > > with COLOR CRT and touch screen. And of course AM > > stereo. > > > > Car now has 300.000 miles on it. > > > > Powell > > > > Sorry guys!!! It was/is an excessive price to my > reality (Chile). If you are referring to the car, it was purchased used at a VERY good price. > But, despite the price, I read one Popular Mechanics > from 1995 (or > 1996?) with a "do-it-yourself" electronic kits which > had a CRT > screen and other basic computer functions for any > car. I'm not sure > if that kit had the radio operating options and I > don't know if that > kit is available today. I would expect not. > Of course, if you have the money, I think the best > AM Stereo tuner > available today (according to its characteristics, > at least) is the > WiNRADiO WR-G305 Receiver PC card. There is two > versions: internal > and external. The problems are: > > 1) It's so expensive!!! (Think it's just a radio > tuner!!!) There are better radios that are software designed and controlled. > 2) I'm not sure if you can use it into a car (both > models, including > the external USB version, which you can use in a car > with a laptop, > need a very good external aerial). Probably would not want to. > Why don't all the AM broadcasters join their forces > and ask new and > cheap AM Stereo receivers from the manufacters? Because it's not going to happen the SECOND time around, either. I mean, the manufacturers can't even make a halfway decent radio anymore. Powell ...near Silverstreet in the tall Loblolly Pines with the deer, rabbits, coyote and fire ants! From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 04 02:23:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19778 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2007 09:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2007 09:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.212) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2007 09:22:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 7165 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2007 09:22:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@71.155.150.125 with login) by smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2007 09:22:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: pLg8SMgVM1lRuSsBiz4184Mx46qL2T8ylNpgidEtS.Hj9np8kpHR_muqwbaFaloXMPsOokRqALzAEwYmZtp0STvd1sDjt8P3msru5mvZPB8mcns8u5CG8q0lJbYJadMln_pSSJwDRaEekb4- Message-ID: <000a01c7769a$cdcaa740$01e3fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 02:22:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: I have a idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=Dwn80JmJQX6NDWoWPm4IpiI-1OZeHUP2sL-JRmL6tn1UrKdGCwTO9FjktEMP-eTMJUPTAIl9 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I was thinking of starting a DJ service up but with some normal equepment but using Chris's AL TX for the wireless and some tuners and amps and with Kevins blessing permote the hell out of this site and tell every one to demand AM STEREO music from there locals. I figer what hell i can do is make some money out of it . Of cors i would have to get a small biss license. What do you all think? Is a bad idea or what? Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From starship_2001@msn.com Wed Apr 04 02:33:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42788 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2007 09:33:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2007 09:33:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s18.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.218) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2007 09:33:03 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.136.24]) by bay0-omc3-s18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Wed, 4 Apr 2007 02:33:03 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 02:33:02 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.5 by BAY131-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 09:32:59 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 09:32:59 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2007 09:33:02.0963 (UTC) FILETIME=[3DF28C30:01C7769C] Return-Path: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.218 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=0DAG4-iR1lUoWsXC4t43LUs14nn15OooN33qJannHs7VxFSMuTbgYeuamw X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Getting AM STEREO on stations is only HALF the battle. Something needs to be done about content !!! however it was a good idea with good intentions. -----Original Message----- From: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2007 5:22 AM To: am stereo forum Cc: jim smith Subject: {AMSF} I have a idea Hi Gang I was thinking of starting a DJ service up but with some normal equepment but using Chris's AL TX for the wireless and some tuners and amps and with Kevins blessing permote the hell out of this site and tell every one to demand AM STEREO music from there locals. I figer what hell i can do is make some money out of it . Of cors i would have to get a small biss license. What do you all think? Is a bad idea or what? Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 04 03:35:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82879 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2007 10:35:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2007 10:35:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2007 10:35:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2007 10:34:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2007 10:34:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 10:34:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.150.125 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: I have a idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=PJH8rzA2wfHwWB1ysC4ilhIRETm0sLsY10DMSsVVZPEHAR5tF7ixSP5qBqAiJ9U03l5tsCIv X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Norbert 26"=20 wrote: > > Getting AM STEREO on stations is only HALF the battle. Something=20 needs to be done about content !!! however it was a good idea with=20 good intentions. >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: jimsmith95663@... > Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2007 5:22 AM > To: am stereo forum > Cc: jim smith > Subject: {AMSF} I have a idea >=20 > Hi Gang I was thinking of starting a DJ service up but with some=20 normal equepment but using Chris's AL TX for the wireless and some=20 tuners and amps and with Kevins blessing permote the hell out of this=20 site and tell every one to demand AM STEREO music from there locals.=20=20 I figer what hell i can do is make some money out of it . Of cors i=20 would have to get a small biss license. What do you all think? Is a=20 bad idea or what? Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > Yahoo! Groups Links > Hi Yes that would be on the list of stuff to say to the listeners.=20 That would allso be down road a bit any way literaly. Fix truck=20 first a 1952 Chevy " 3100" 1/2 ton very cool. I allso have a 1952=20 Chevy "3100" 1/2 ton truck allso. I can't wait to get bothe of tham=20 going!!!!! Thanks for the responce "Norbert 26"? Jim Smith From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Apr 04 03:48:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34861 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2007 10:48:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2007 10:48:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.231) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2007 10:48:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 55832 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Apr 2007 10:48:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20070404104803.55830.qmail@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: h.Rt0uAVM1mjlIICBfcBqncxyFKGFLkLJgX67t7dN2e.wtDyrl8RaFbJ7i5Bn2EazFzRA3c9tnQu5bvmspQBfdeGQoHedaElB_kE Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 03:48:02 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 03:48:02 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=eiVrRI38O16GCpgkgFhsw3K4R7xeid8TKzIjcfW7x_fHVfQH9s0B X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Not to mention the lack of radios. Jay ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 04 11:59:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9076 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2007 18:59:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2007 18:59:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.209) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2007 18:59:32 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2007 18:58:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2007 18:58:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2007 18:58:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:57:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20070404104803.55830.qmail@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.209.80.120 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=agNd-cFUJTht8-53D8XdiqDy81psCQATqmxS-9XhWgkd_ACwGpeTpKnaHip_-c-oSxnjCCyr X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Not to mention the lack of radios. >=20 > Jay >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ > TV dinner still cooling?=20 > Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. > http://tv.yahoo.com/ > From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 04 12:03:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80534 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2007 19:03:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2007 19:03:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.22) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2007 19:03:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2007 19:03:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2007 19:03:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 19:03:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20070404104803.55830.qmail@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.209.80.120 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=Zb29_sz0WY_MPVcGu9l7yaKfMLYY5mDgqCweczerMsT5ZzUG5tr0HS8dFKr7M5xfY7GhnL0Z X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Not to mention the lack of radios. >=20 > Jay >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > TV dinner still cooling?=20 > Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. > http://tv.yahoo.com/ > Hi That allso would be on the list of stuff i would mention. Like=20 comeing here and have there radios converted to AM STEREO and tell=20 them about the links to AudioCubes And Radio Shack And the Sangean HD=20 tuner.Thats why i would send them here the SUPER MARKET of AM=20 STEREO!!!! JS From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Apr 04 13:29:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 978 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2007 20:29:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2007 20:29:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52205.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.128) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2007 20:29:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 34904 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Apr 2007 20:29:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20070404202913.34902.qmail@web52205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 0F8mvyEVM1llpAA9bqg6zebcQ5u5vmzl_1e9Imtr8Goz0JREXozQ.BExinG8B4dmiAUnQynLxg-- Received: from [209.213.18.49] by web52205.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:29:13 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:29:13 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000a01c7769a$cdcaa740$01e3fea9@jimsmith> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=0ierX_vgiS_d-02BpVlBIpRMzX5oninj6f740WzY_1s X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hi Gang I was thinking of starting a DJ service up > but with some normal equepment but using Chris's AL > TX for the wireless and some tuners and amps and > with Kevins blessing permote the hell out of this > site and tell every one to demand AM STEREO music > from there locals. I figer what hell i can do is > make some money out of it . Of cors i would have to > get a small biss license. What do you all think? Is > a bad idea or what? Jim Smith BAD idea.....you N E V E R demand. Powell From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 04 16:28:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17317 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2007 23:28:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2007 23:28:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.170) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2007 23:28:22 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n8.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2007 23:28:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2007 23:28:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2007 23:28:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:28:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20070404202913.34902.qmail@web52205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.215.213.43 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=84kZmMNuU4lk0zpRLSIjXhsdPFqu6y28lBl9M-2Ax54C6LdUraFN4o9Q9i0m1nv0RzyAaOq7 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > --- jimsmith95663@... wrote: >=20 > > Hi Gang I was thinking of starting a DJ service up > > but with some normal equepment but using Chris's AL > > TX for the wireless and some tuners and amps and > > with Kevins blessing permote the hell out of this > > site and tell every one to demand AM STEREO music > > from there locals. I figer what hell i can do is > > make some money out of it . Of cors i would have to > > get a small biss license. What do you all think? Is > > a bad idea or what? Jim Smith >=20 > BAD idea.....you N E V E R demand. >=20 >=20 > Powell=20 Hi Powell Well you have a point there. But other than that i think=20 its just as a bad idea as Chris Cuff's campaning was. Right Chris?!?!=20 Chow JS From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Apr 04 16:29:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74363 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2007 23:29:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2007 23:29:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2007 23:29:11 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.233]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 163391702-1881964 for ; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:29:06 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <004801c77711$3a98f2c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20070404202913.34902.qmail@web52205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:30:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet ip=64.61.220.233 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=ifGqpqElgZIH4EzcZdp5Tl0x8_nvQoCvQbEJ2sCzUl-dmeCGXAfm X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Powell is right. Some station in Boise destroyed their AM stereo gear because someone made a "demand" that they put it back in service. However you can *create* a demand, so to speak, but it has to be done by way of many people making the suggestion. If that's what you meant then it's OK. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > > --- jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net wrote: > > > Hi Gang I was thinking of starting a DJ service up > > but with some normal equepment but using Chris's AL > > TX for the wireless and some tuners and amps and > > with Kevins blessing permote the hell out of this > > site and tell every one to demand AM STEREO music > > from there locals. [snip] What do you all think? Is > > a bad idea or what? Jim Smith > > BAD idea.....you N E V E R demand. > > > Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Apr 04 17:07:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33542 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2007 00:04:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2007 00:04:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52205.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.128) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2007 00:04:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 24599 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Apr 2007 00:03:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20070405000325.24597.qmail@web52205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 5_nLvzwVM1lP8Xu8XL7KDgxux4rlnxv.MygEEHC3zd0jQkfYSuj54TZlHbxSqwYCpB8LdBKJ6w-- Received: from [209.213.18.122] by web52205.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:03:25 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:03:25 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=taxwJDiC7dxhkVhj0S2Asvw6kZkBx_VpyGcB-4CV9mo X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Earlier, I said you never demand. --- jim smith wrote: > Hi Powell Well you have a point there. But other > than that i think > its just as a bad idea as Chris Cuff's campaning > was. Right Chris?!?! I don't remember Chris' campaign. I wasn't on the list then. Now, IF I had a radio station and you demanded that I do X, I would likely tell you FO. Powell From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 04 18:51:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72237 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2007 01:51:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2007 01:51:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.23) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2007 01:51:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2007 01:50:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2007 01:50:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 01:50:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004801c77711$3a98f2c0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.38.62.121 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=WAAmJZrTX3ksz4WQJedsmfTtIQZb1iglh43oEbubumTHSKa9pDKvRR1rXsC2bgbE4EXaC9lr X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > Powell is right. Some station in Boise destroyed their AM stereo=20 gear > because someone made a "demand" that they put it back in service.=20=20 However > you can *create* a demand, so to speak, but it has to be done by=20 way of many > people making the suggestion. If that's what you meant then it's=20 OK. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" >=20 > > > > --- jimsmith95663@... wrote: > > > > > Hi Gang I was thinking of starting a DJ service up > > > but with some normal equepment but using Chris's AL > > > TX for the wireless and some tuners and amps and > > > with Kevins blessing permote the hell out of this > > > site and tell every one to demand AM STEREO music > > > from there locals. [snip] What do you all think? Is > > > a bad idea or what? Jim Smith > > > > BAD idea.....you N E V E R demand. > > > > > > Powell > Hi Scott Yes i did make that mistake thinking demaneding some thing=20 from a station that will work . Powell pointed out my mistake in=20 thinking. Yes that is the more desierd effect in makeing a demand=20 for more people to request AM STEREO with music formats from there=20 local staions. Yes dummy me!!!!! Take Care Scott. Jim Smith From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 04 19:02:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51775 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2007 02:02:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2007 02:02:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.214) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2007 02:02:15 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2007 02:02:09 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2007 02:02:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2007 02:02:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 02:02:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20070405000325.24597.qmail@web52205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.38.62.121 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=gkQOIt5O-MLHrNznTx0sNqecAoLDQTm6uTV08m5YJQMPXHN34Tw24ybfBYd3iqh-StU-gphG X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > Earlier, I said you never demand.=20 >=20 >=20 > --- jim smith wrote: > > Hi Powell Well you have a point there. But other > > than that i think=20 > > its just as a bad idea as Chris Cuff's campaning > > was. Right Chris?!?!=20 >=20 >=20 > I don't remember Chris' campaign. I wasn't on the list > then. >=20 > Now, IF I had a radio station and you demanded that I > do X, I would likely tell you FO. >=20 > Powell Hi Powell Yes like i said a fue posts ago you have very good point.=20 I was a dummy in thinking that way!!!!!! Yes Chis did do some=20 campaining in the late 90's and erly 2000's. That must have been fun=20 to do. He can no longer do that because of he family.I do wish him=20 and his family best and all the members on this site and forum . Like=20 Jaun says GOD BLESS every one hear. Chow Jim Smith From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Apr 04 21:04:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4893 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2007 04:04:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2007 04:04:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.231) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2007 04:03:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 76108 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Apr 2007 04:03:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20070405040347.76106.qmail@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: W35cy_IVM1lL3BmU_YdySSLUgfXzkj75NmbsE6LSOE8HPHo8GGo7sUzPT_o0ZLb4IkHhc8UHVU4tepRGBY6_DGCNj8z1TJuKiw8V_VvDrlMuhf.P79Zp9Yek23xKsw-- Received: from [68.14.13.179] by web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 21:03:47 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:03:47 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004801c77711$3a98f2c0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=gbSxBL5o2P32Ynv7By-9rWNpOJTxkvmfqYU9XcU4JmW0VbtOlQhE X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio That was KBOI wasn't it? Man, their C.E. must've been bipolar or something. What a psycho. Jay ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 04 22:54:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38190 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2007 05:54:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2007 05:54:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2007 05:54:16 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2007 05:54:12 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2007 05:54:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2007 05:54:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 05:54:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20070405040347.76106.qmail@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.19.156.203 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=Yat_s90oZcDC1hJ1tcGwltvWA00TqCxa9j6koppczmUwDK6IbYt6tFcxwWuRH_kOn6hwUefD X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > That was KBOI wasn't it? Man, their C.E. must've > been bipolar or something. What a psycho. >=20 > Jay >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ > Looking for earth-friendly autos?=20 > Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. > http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ > Hi JNR I do not know who you posting to but all i can say is back in=20 the day i did not get KBOI AM 670. The TM 152 did not get it. Jim=20 Smith From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Apr 06 03:23:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47256 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2007 10:20:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2007 10:20:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.228) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2007 10:20:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 32414 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Apr 2007 10:19:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20070406101949.32412.qmail@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: wjMS.roVM1llgYlCBcKmSUOSaedQMqo6X0EADnkm Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 03:19:49 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 03:19:49 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: WLS & CHML X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=GswyOGFVYJsDAd9v94L-JKdMN23Ovt70wGxhbbNjRQClPqDqszT0 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Driving into work today I saw a stereo pilot on BOTH WLS & CHML. Jay ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Apr 06 13:18:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14630 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2007 20:18:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2007 20:18:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.108) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2007 20:17:59 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n11.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2007 20:15:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2007 20:15:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2007 20:15:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 20:15:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.108 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.32.5 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: It's not yet the end of AM, folks! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=kTC_er3IyWazuNlNgngeuiMBZiaF9MBFBmsZxGvY-8zxgKeW X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > Hi Amy!!! H'lo... I just got back from a trip... (BTW, 830 in Honolulu is still broadcasting pilot-only C-QUAM...) > Please, I think the USA AM broadcasters can and must to do something=20 > to save the AM band. And I think it's more easy than it seems. It=20 > needs broadcasters "change of mind": back to the music format, back=20 > to the direct public/listener music programation, back to the=20 > quality in all senses. The best way is to make AM the new FM-- That is, in FM's early days, FM was the band for community broadcasting, before FM stations became the primary broadcasters. Simply put, AM needs to be reprioritised and overhauled if it is to survive, with an emphasis on community-oriented broadcasting using 5kW or less power, as well as bringing back major regional "clear channel" broadcasting, for in case of emergency broadcasting. > Yes, I don't want the Motorola C-QUAM AM Stereo system but it's the=20 > reality and I prefer accept it. I don't think the AM problem was/is=20 > related with the stereo system used, I insist it's just a format=20 > problem. Yes, programming is a major problem for radio in general, not just AM. People want more community service and localised programming. Even the top-rated AM stations, even with a news/talk format, succeed because of local programming and community service. San Francisco's KGO AM 810 comes to mind, for just this reason. =20 > I'm starting to convince my radio folks here in Chile to back to the=20 > AM, now in stereo I hope so, and with all the quality and "weight"=20 > AM had in the past. I have faith and hope it's possible. First priority is to think of serving your Community of License- Everything flows from that. :) =20 > But, Amy, maybe you can help me: Do you have web reference about=20 > very good and very bad AM, analog and/or digital, mono and/or=20 > stereo, air recording samples? Not that I can think of right off. There was, perhaps still is, a Yahoo! Japan Briefcase directory with sample recordings from several recent/current AM stereo receivers (all filenames are model numbers), but I'm sure quite a few can tell you, or have by now, what the good and bad ones are (and some receivers/tuners, such as the Radio Shack TM-152, that could fit both, due to quality issues, such as where manufactured). Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Apr 06 15:06:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31089 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2007 22:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2007 22:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2007 22:06:54 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.226.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.226]) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HZwZG-0000qh-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:06:02 -0400 Message-ID: <46165033.3010905@peoplepc.com> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 09:50:43 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20070406101949.32412.qmail@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20070406101949.32412.qmail@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS & CHML X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=oHJATSmSsWYdTs6rGoJwtWtYVnvW2VGyxyIou5XiKilyvtRKSTdleXJETHpLVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 JNR wrote: > Driving into work today I saw a stereo pilot on BOTH WLS & CHML. I can't get CHML here, but I did notice WLS on the back-up transmitter this morning. I wonder if the HD-Radio exciter crapped out, or they are doing last minute mods for 24/7 HD-Radio? Kevin From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Apr 06 20:18:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72512 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2007 03:18:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2007 03:18:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.248) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2007 03:18:29 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2007 03:18:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2007 03:18:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2007 03:18:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 03:18:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <466143.39485.qm@web52206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.248 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.32.5 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: I got an HD Radio! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=mtRv85wag50QGHmUDU2GpbINxLdWvqgXeXKY6BPZS_DLc84q X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > >=20 > --- Possum Hunter wrote: >=20 > > Juan wrote: > > > I was the same way. I first heard AM Stereo on the > > Radio Shack TM-152. It sounded horrible. I thought > > to myself, what a piece of s**t ! >=20 >=20 > My TM-152 sounds decent.=20=20=20 There were two manufacturers of the '152, and the quality was radically different between them. One was in Taiwan, while the other was ion South Korea. I think it was the Taiwan ones- the first manufacturer, at least- were the ones that sucked turnips. It's the later ones, like mine, that don't suck so bad. Selection isn't as good, but the sound was reasonable. Had good stereo from KABL (Oakland, CA), "Sunny 1520" (Portland, OR) and KFOX (Torrance, CA) when I did fire it up. :) Now, those stations are pretty much gone.... My Aiwa pocket AMS radio has worse (narrower) sound. And don't ask me to trade either or my Sony SRF-A100... :) (Oh, and as bad as my Aiwa is, believe me I have heard far worse radios, though few were AMS.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Apr 06 20:53:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37896 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2007 03:53:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2007 03:53:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.253) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2007 03:53:10 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n30.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2007 03:52:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2007 03:52:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2007 03:52:41 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 03:52:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.253 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.32.5 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The ultimate Delco AM Stereo car radio! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=qPAsFzm9_TvhLfX-PcCodKoolp2Cnv1_fIGf7B42X3H8CD6- X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > Of course, if you have the money, I think the best AM Stereo tuner=20 > available today (according to its characteristics, at least) is the=20 > WiNRADiO WR-G305 Receiver PC card. There is two versions: internal=20 > and external. The problems are: The Fanfare FT-100, any version with AMS. Only it's pricey at nearly US$2K.... Next bet is the Carver !!a or 11b, though these aren't made anymore. Thirdly and most reasonably would be the Meduci AMX-2000, especially the deluxe model. (If Jeff decides to make a Meduci portable, I'll buy it, regardless of specs- I trust him to make a quality product. :) ) ....Of course you could just find any C-QUAM modulation monitor and fix it up as a tuner... ;) Expensive new, but you might fins a Motorola for under a grand, if you're lucky.. They're popular even with non-AMS stations , as they can monitor their phase output with them. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Apr 06 20:57:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78737 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2007 03:57:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2007 03:57:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.211) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2007 03:57:48 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n32.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2007 03:57:35 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2007 03:57:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2007 03:57:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 03:57:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20070404104803.55830.qmail@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.32.5 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=BitvLMgDU_HKDU2GerEMWMvSOXIp6i0URIyK3KkGssaNhP3O X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Not to mention the lack of radios. On the retail shelves, yes, but if you know where to look... ;) (Sadly, most WON'T knoew or bother. :( ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Apr 06 21:05:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15243 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2007 04:05:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2007 04:05:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.210) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2007 04:05:25 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2007 04:05:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2007 04:05:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2007 04:05:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 04:05:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.32.5 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=CGpDAPbdlfKpHuhwTjHuw-ed2JxcTYTsbgWrE_ImlHShSmSU X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > Hi That allso would be on the list of stuff i would mention. Like=20 > comeing here and have there radios converted to AM STEREO and tell=20 > them about the links to AudioCubes And Radio Shack And the Sangean HD=20 > tuner.Thats why i would send them here the SUPER MARKET of AM=20 > STEREO!!!! JS And who's doing the mods? As for radios, therer's always meduci.com for good inexpensive AMS tuners... :) (Jeff should try to make a few other models, such as stand-alone tabletop/portable receivers, portables, etc. He's already establishing the '2000 deluxe as a reference receiver/monitor, which is quite an accomplishment, given its great price...) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Apr 06 21:11:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4623 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2007 04:11:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2007 04:11:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.225) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2007 04:11:32 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n25.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2007 04:11:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2007 04:11:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2007 04:11:32 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 04:11:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20070405040347.76106.qmail@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.32.5 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: I have a idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=a0CC8BSkdP6jnVwoK0NGu5oV0j-vsD-ISy7jer9R1-fdksrg X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > That was KBOI wasn't it? Man, their C.E. must've > been bipolar or something. What a psycho. I can honestly say I miss KBOI..... :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 07 08:16:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71093 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2007 15:16:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2007 15:16:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.25) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2007 15:16:05 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2007 15:14:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2007 15:14:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 15:14:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.30.68.71 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=C5ESN1ca9L_jc6apeHOETPoqs22zYoB-i6IQ1UFvzjsl5IKWDsSWykd04cn4ucMz0HdPN8k7 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > > > Not to mention the lack of radios. >=20 > On the retail shelves, yes, but if you know where to look... ;) > (Sadly, most WON'T knoew or bother. :( ) >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Hi Amy That would be on the list to tell them before the end of the=20 night. JS From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 07 08:17:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76845 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2007 15:17:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2007 15:17:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.247) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2007 15:17:36 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2007 15:17:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2007 15:17:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2007 15:17:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 15:17:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.30.68.71 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=yXlIdc42MM9G1d-aCKf9Ri3VytSo34vbbLZzd3l63-RySFIJOjurtmh5al1OHDm_wxs45N1a X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" > wrote: >=20 > > Hi That allso would be on the list of stuff i would mention.=20 Like=20 > > comeing here and have there radios converted to AM STEREO and=20 tell=20 > > them about the links to AudioCubes And Radio Shack And the=20 Sangean HD=20 > > tuner.Thats why i would send them here the SUPER MARKET of AM=20 > > STEREO!!!! JS >=20 > And who's doing the mods? >=20 > As for radios, therer's always meduci.com for good inexpensive AMS > tuners... :) (Jeff should try to make a few other models, such as > stand-alone tabletop/portable receivers, portables, etc. He's=20 already > establishing the '2000 deluxe as a reference receiver/monitor, which > is quite an accomplishment, given its great price...) >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Hi Amy Chris us to doing mod i don't knw he still can or not. Chris=20 sent me to Jeff for radio mods. JS From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Apr 07 09:50:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37558 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2007 16:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2007 16:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2007 16:50:10 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.20]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 162982657-1881964 for ; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 11:47:57 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701c77934$b2eec040$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20070406101949.32412.qmail@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <46165033.3010905@peoplepc.com> Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 11:49:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 4, in=8, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.20 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS & CHML X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=bW_BogHs_zvkJ_y3BIXyUGCG9Oj5EwoHM3Sgbj8X1g4E45bYYHQ2 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I doubt it's the backup transmitter- too consistent. If I get a strong enough signal at night it's almost always in stereo. Somehow they figured a way to be IBOC day and CQuAM at night. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > JNR wrote: > > Driving into work today I saw a stereo pilot on BOTH WLS & CHML. > > I can't get CHML here, but I did notice WLS on the back-up transmitter > this morning. I wonder if the HD-Radio exciter crapped out, or they are > doing last minute mods for 24/7 HD-Radio? From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Apr 07 10:01:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4789 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2007 17:01:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2007 17:01:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2007 17:01:00 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.20]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 162984770-1881964 for ; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 11:57:26 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <008601c77936$06185000$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 11:58:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 4, in=9, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.20 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=wplVyX2oyn5dIInNbZ-OIGNE7xn3rIEqL2_OSWccS51C1tVjgoJ- X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It'd be great if Jeff could be authorized by some manufacturer like Tivoli to sell an AMS-modified version of one or more of their tuners. Probably just wishful thinking, I know. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > As for radios, therer's always meduci.com for good inexpensive AMS > tuners... :) (Jeff should try to make a few other models, such as > stand-alone tabletop/portable receivers, portables, etc. He's already > establishing the '2000 deluxe as a reference receiver/monitor, which > is quite an accomplishment, given its great price...) From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Apr 07 10:01:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34343 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2007 17:01:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2007 17:01:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2007 17:01:04 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.20]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 164165977-1881964 for ; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 11:58:53 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <008f01c77936$39d36a60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20070405040347.76106.qmail@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:00:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.000000 Has Sent To Catcher=3.0 X-IP-stats: Catcher Incoming Last 0, First 4, in=4, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.20 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=CU0cZpVHi3krrsth62ZbdGbwEvI4Ri-iftfU1R400mw8T1uh1owL X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Actually I don't think it was KBOI, though I know that the KBOI engineer went turncoat on us. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" > That was KBOI wasn't it? Man, their C.E. must've > been bipolar or something. What a psycho. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Apr 09 12:27:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10005 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2007 19:27:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2007 19:27:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.244) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2007 19:27:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 17061 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2007 19:15:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20070409191502.17059.qmail@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: RNjR6vMVM1n1GkQhmhdDqHLcHJvFUTSp3IIobzuvz0hn_sH0O1ZTGr0_CvM0LSmEkb52S4Fbn1sytNe3Q0i70tWN7ZwNcxmD0ZZpzkOnb6nTwcCC63zPSlyvp.27wHlq6oxOeufZGCqkXTGPMgYKKShd Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Apr 2007 12:15:02 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:15:02 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <008f01c77936$39d36a60$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=4pUaRNxbzXB7MRJxZcNwAlOuiQKOtEDbREt8CAEJ0Sggj8-CRD0g X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio That's too bad that he went turncoat. 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Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 10 01:56:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83379 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2007 08:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2007 08:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.202) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2007 08:56:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 65616 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2007 08:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.8.230.15 with login) by smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2007 08:55:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GeFID70VM1lLfVVVg7W255FbfGuFtYv_nGHwSMD4QE2P5JdTdK2NHTEbtkJGeqDjt6AUmfCY7g-- Message-ID: <000e01c77b4e$092da3c0$01e3fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 01:55:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: Your right Amy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=_F_Dll7NMchNLbqQMzpA94HjckhdX_skpMM5NOQFzS4rjnAJlejTEWUW1A2kkQikNXTQ7V23 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Amy Your right Amy that not all is lost with AM. I had allso forgot about men like Bill in South Caralina wich he said thats its been all positive feed back sence he turned on his AM STEREO at North Mertale Beach SC. I wish there where more men like him in my area and the bay area. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Apr 10 03:47:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17976 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2007 10:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2007 10:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.9) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2007 10:44:16 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2007 10:42:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2007 10:42:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:42:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000e01c77b4e$092da3c0$01e3fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.13.216 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Your right Amy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=wnLtxcfcWEPIR4ECLaeeVef34SkB0xWlskAqn1233yRh4-d9 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Amy Your right Amy that not all is lost with AM. I had allso forgot about men like Bill in South Caralina wich he said thats its been all positive feed back sence he turned on his AM STEREO at North Mertale Beach SC. I wish there where more men like him in my area and the bay area. Jim Smith Not just the SF Bay Area/Sacramento Delta area, but all over the western United States. It doesn't have to be in AM stereo, but a simple devotion to quality for the greater majority of of one's listeners. AMS is certainly a plus, though. :) Not too many stations can I say are quality stations this side of the continent... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Apr 10 04:15:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63615 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2007 11:15:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m37a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2007 11:15:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.232) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2007 11:15:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 11621 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Apr 2007 11:14:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20070410111451.11619.qmail@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Hd6uM_AVM1kJe2EaAYAK9PKusReSklH0giHjWE_TjGG64VtkgYCvyaaBRZRRgqrSsaNsVuyASm4EvX7Rgdy2fUsR4huA5eGWuOawkB5iAfnDQG9W2suE13ofS28zQw-- Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:14:51 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:14:51 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your [sic] right [,] Amy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=dR53yCsB9D9p5vkIkbKDb_iBD36DVqkYtU5aaOmGBy1lCtL0deiZ X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio You should hear some of the horrible stations on this side of the Continental Divide! Although consistently the worst stations are either: ethnic (we have a new F.M. spanish religious station that has VERY low modulation) or gospel (overmodulated) engineering-wise or business talk programming-wise. Jay ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Apr 10 14:50:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96036 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2007 21:50:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2007 21:50:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.207) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2007 21:50:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2007 21:49:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2007 21:49:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:49:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20070410111451.11619.qmail@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.13.216 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Your [sic] right [,] Amy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=P1pmvjCzT9McxOX2Te51R2l11X4kj9Gc24dIiHNRWwvc3KFD X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > You should hear some of the horrible stations on > this side of the Continental Divide! Although > consistently the worst stations are either: > ethnic (we have a new F.M. spanish religious > station that has VERY low modulation) or gospel > (overmodulated) engineering-wise or business talk > programming-wise. There once was a time when the best stations were in the SF Bay Area, both in terms of programming and in engineering (both aesthetic and technical), in my experience- Spent many a summer on the shores of Clear Lake, just north of the Bay Area. :) Even LA had some excellent stations, both AM and FM. The worst I've heard was Las Vegas- It made the Eureka/Arcata radio market look good. (Surprisingly, local radio has really improved in recent years, here.) I can't say I've had too much experience with stations east of the Rockies, except for Orlando- At least it wasn't as bad as LV was! But today, I'm more inclined to say FM in Hawaii is more listenable than SF (no comment about AM), but I can't think of any standout FM stations in SF anymore, either- It's ironic that the best quality job in SF is KGO-AM 810, with quality programming for news/talk, plus excellent sound and a solid signal, no distortion whatsoever. (I'm not really into news/talk- I prefer rock&roll oldies. I do, however, prefer staying informed, and I think KGO-AM's news production is first-rate.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Apr 10 15:06:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79373 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2007 22:06:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2007 22:06:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.226) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2007 22:06:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 83810 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Apr 2007 22:06:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20070410220614.83808.qmail@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: lOVEiMAVM1n2RUcVak4lWebM5LSOye69eFIQ8w1PtBitAHZQMh9JvuqPcjG0dkCxxN3hugK8fCY5eh05eVrNR8Bdn9XroXQ_tRQ9mP6IQO3U_oYRhxg- Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:06:14 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:06:14 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: #s X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=QXMHbKyut6mqOlVpwaivzJEXGp5J1jSz8U_Yq96LRntleT2Ve8iv X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio As of April 8th 2007: www.amstereoradio.com's station listings counts 170 stations (+2 from 3/25/07). 99 stations in the U.S. incl. V.I. & P.R. (no change); 16 in Japan (no change); 15 in Canada; 4 in Australia, Taiwan & Thailand; 3 in Hong Kong, Mexico (no change), South Africa, & Venezuela; 2 in Brazil, the Dominican Republic, Italy (no change), the Phillipines; 1 in The Bahamas (no change), Costa Rica, France (no change), Indonesia, Panama, Paraguay, South Korea & Swaziland. Jay N1WVQ. ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Apr 10 17:55:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73232 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2007 00:55:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2007 00:55:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2007 00:55:17 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.109.139.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.109.139]) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HbR7C-0000Qe-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:55:15 -0400 Message-ID: <461BA223.6050706@peoplepc.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:41:39 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20070410111451.11619.qmail@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20070410111451.11619.qmail@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your [sic] right [,] Amy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=uN6JKj5mBhkPTRrkd4dDj-3I2kZvXXh0NK9g_la214dSc0YdOp2OJ0rKmcxB8w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 JNR wrote: > Although > consistently the worst stations are either: > ethnic (we have a new F.M. spanish religious > station that has VERY low modulation) or gospel > (overmodulated) engineering-wise or business talk > programming-wise. These are also the stations that NEVER power down or go to their Night pattern on time, if at all. We have a Spanish station that my mod meter reads 105% on...and NEVER MOVES! I would say they have the compression turned up just a little much. Interesting enough, the unlicensed "Pirate" stations have some of the best audio around here! Perhaps because they can't afford the processor boxes? Kevin From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Apr 11 12:59:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39002 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2007 19:59:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2007 19:59:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.158) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2007 19:59:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 86094 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Apr 2007 19:58:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Vk0luk8VM1nsuherCaYuVJpSDykaI0znlvsF6eCUQ8dROixBaUcirimOEGOJI.hyIJeMGyRaGaWLC.qygVBvPyvHDba3SQHssVH0AbeLH3BueZr2B8p6DhajcA-- Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:58:53 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:58:53 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <194805.85626.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Midnight Trucking Radio Network X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=PknEg7uBCIf0gkLVPhCKpgWCFQksIsZ1YLUSWqJqHzDnmgl071xKaCk X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Found this on the Midnight Trucking Radio Network - bragging about all the 50KW AM STEREO stations carring the show, including: "WBAP 820-AM Dallas/Fort Worth, Texas Established in 1922, WBAP is the Flagship Station for The Midnight Trucking Radio Network. It's 50,000 watt clear-channel signal in stereo provides day and nighttime non-directional coverage over a vast amount of the United States. In fact, WBAP's signal spans all directions, blanketing over 38 states in the U.S. Listener calls come in from every state in the country and as far away as Canada and many areas in Mexico. WBAP is owned and operated by ABC, Inc., a wholly-owned subsidiary of The Walt Disney Company." and WJR and KBOI all in AMS! (2003 date) ____________________________________________________________________________________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? 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Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Apr 11 13:58:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17256 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2007 20:58:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2007 20:58:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.234) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2007 20:58:11 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n24.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2007 20:57:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2007 20:57:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2007 20:57:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:57:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <194805.85626.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.24.89 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Midnight Trucking Radio Network X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=Db21c6q19NGx-0QHGutY_NxsVlj459CoxjBnw0gTH-9pqFmu X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > and WJR and KBOI all in AMS! (2003 date) Unfortunately, KBOI hasn't been stereo since the mid-late '90s. :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Apr 13 06:38:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78391 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2007 13:38:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2007 13:38:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.152) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2007 13:38:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 54768 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2007 13:36:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4I36KG8VM1kSIafQ1qw999d40kabmCDa7SEHwUUl9KAkK4fZS2GxD18XJu6AXGkUvYUt.v1qZO97s8ZKGzpCGxVw6lCN1MyGUfAkg9bI9e7GuYgltgRZmQp4FQ-- Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 06:36:28 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 06:36:28 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <996056.54053.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: AMS Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=ci560FZCIHpsT2qd1LyjN0XVTaofaE0LiZq2hU_QOsilr6MN6jx12eA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hey gang - BE AMS transmitter for sale on eBay! Looks like they blew-up some of the power modules, but other than that, it would be good. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Apr 13 18:53:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93721 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2007 01:52:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2007 01:52:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2007 01:52:58 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.221.39]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 165936034-1881964 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:52:52 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c77e37$b13b40e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <996056.54053.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:52:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 2, in=2, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.221.39 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=H-xxlc45BIZeIM2YGOZgSfcsuzpEaWXNs8-9dO9htMntHbCJBY8e X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude 3 kilobucks ain't bad even for the shape it's in. Only wish I had both the $$ to buy it and a place to actually use it. If it were 5kW, I'd try to get my manager to approve buying it to replace a cranky Omnitronix. from the ad- If you plan to put this back into service I would recommend that it be sent to Broadcast Electronics in Quincy Ill. For R&R and frequency change if required. << Probably just needs new caps and transistors. Likely could be done for another $500-750. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." > Hey gang - BE AMS transmitter for sale on eBay! Looks like they > blew-up some of the power modules, but other than that, it would be good. > From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 14 03:53:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27305 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2007 10:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2007 10:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.212) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2007 10:53:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 50510 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2007 10:53:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@71.155.146.219 with login) by smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2007 10:53:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: OfrY78cVM1lZuB8CLS3TjKqM2o7_xpmGfvU3EwstEHTVNFunmPcY9QyJFHinqcXVFTQ7gh3p8A-- Message-ID: <000c01c77e83$447b5f20$01e3fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 03:54:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: dose any one know? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=5RYOSBtW4h43oZnjPXB6vZiy8tY0w3R23uvMrq94_N7ns6J9Z_lPjciw-D_2WvzMZ5zBOrOk X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Dose any one know what Chris Cuff's e-mail is ? He has so many i don't know wich one to use any more . Thanks gang. JS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Apr 14 15:35:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4957 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2007 22:35:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2007 22:35:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2007 22:35:37 -0000 Received: from fl-71-52-126-74.dhcp.embarqhsd.net ([71.52.126.74] helo=[10.0.0.3]) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HcqpR-0003Pj-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:34:45 -0400 Message-ID: <46211B71.1080407@peoplepc.com> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:20:33 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <996056.54053.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <996056.54053.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=rNTlHlo5tIMr591D0HfG14hoALmktnAhHptUbVmSTZuguqzXwoBNuF-to-D09w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 John P. wrote: > Hey gang - BE AMS transmitter for sale on eBay! Looks like they > blew-up some of the power modules, but other than that, it would be good. Wouldn't that be FUN to fire up on some Cuban and play Beautiful-EZ music! LOL You would be heard in your community, but the Cuban would keep the FCC from hearing you. Kevin From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Apr 14 17:55:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9550 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2007 00:55:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2007 00:55:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2007 00:55:23 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.228]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 168126238-1881964 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:55:18 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c77ef8$fb22cea0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <000c01c77e83$447b5f20$01e3fea9@jimsmith> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:56:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 2, in=1, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.228 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} dose any one know? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=RRM6q3MjlKpHHP9h0wnpjDr9ANjoRu-c1aigys2XniTAG8Ijq6HV X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The in4web address is the one I use almost always. Usually I'll get a reply but not always. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "am stereo forum" > Hi Gang Dose any one know what Chris Cuff's e-mail is ? He has so many i don't know wich one to use any more . Thanks gang. JS From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 14 20:17:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78891 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2007 03:16:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2007 03:16:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.204) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2007 03:16:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 95937 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2007 03:15:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.41.74.161 with login) by smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2007 03:15:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YSd9fgkVM1nDhNWEaF9nPRS9tp6X8nXMag3he1iXCYxIeWCj3VgaYJoE2qI7G5ApLzUkZh6ymT8Xk75PSedYmQwX5Neb1t5YMTlAvXYSWrWuefmd7iIS8mavrwUxAg-- Message-ID: <000d01c77f0c$80038d40$01e3fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" References: <000a01c77e85$e5a51560$01e3fea9@jimsmith> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:16:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: I wish X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=SW5sIhZMeUZbnrORIekVvR8FpPFxI3FthZoPZoTowJZPOPbd81_f5Ll9aftCo86VGoaIqTb- X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I know it wont do any good but i sent this to the FCC comitionaner on there site. JS ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net To: Michael.Copps@fcc.gov Cc: jim smith Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 4:13 AM Subject: I wish Hi I wish you all could take HD AM off the air and mandate that all AM MUSIC stations go with C-QuAM AM STEREO . That would put good STEREO sound with out all the side band noise to nabering stations DAY GROUND WAY and NIGHT SKY WAVE wich now theres going to be alot of SKY WAVE noise to every one on the band. So what i am saying is that AM stataions can only trasmitt one HD AM channel any way just like C-QuAM AM STEREO but C-QuAM dose not wipe out stations with noise. Please do us a faivor and help bring back AM STEREO insted of MORE noise to the AM BAND. Thank you for your time Jim Smith Neer Sacramento Ca [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 14 20:21:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99007 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2007 03:21:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2007 03:21:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.59) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2007 03:21:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2007 03:21:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2007 03:21:37 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 03:21:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002501c77ef8$fb22cea0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.41.74.161 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: dose any one know? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=6Kjv7IODLC9JwOQ_q61-foe3EPpy7PcAkyUIpTh3W-6l5_eVoogXg6vhD9Aa-RBNdALLiLaX X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > The in4web address is the one I use almost always. Usually I'll get=20 a reply > but not always. >=20 > Scott >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: > To: "am stereo forum" >=20 > > Hi Gang Dose any one know what Chris Cuff's e-mail is ? He has so=20 many i > don't know wich one to use any more . Thanks gang. JS > HI Scott I think i tride that one and did not get a respocne yet.He=20 tolled me once that one of his e mails was at his house and he never=20 gets to antsser that one because of he wife. JS From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Apr 14 22:55:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52711 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2007 05:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2007 05:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.212) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2007 05:55:52 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n32.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2007 05:55:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2007 05:55:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2007 05:55:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 05:55:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000d01c77f0c$80038d40$01e3fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.78 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: I wish X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=QRctft6IDa4JPWskWdPFWM1H6TZxn5a0dTdNEJCK8LfSmBWlSQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang I know it wont do any good but i sent this to the FCC=20 comitionaner on there site. JS > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: jimsmith95663@...=20 > To: Michael.Copps@...=20 > Cc: jim smith=20 > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 4:13 AM > Subject: I wish >=20 >=20 > Hi I wish you all could take HD AM off the air and mandate=20 that all AM MUSIC stations go with C-QuAM AM STEREO . That would=20 put good STEREO sound with out all the side band noise to nabering=20 stations DAY GROUND WAY and NIGHT SKY WAVE wich now theres going to=20 be alot of SKY WAVE noise to every one on the band. So what i am=20 saying is that AM stataions can only trasmitt one HD AM channel any=20 way just like C-QuAM AM STEREO but C-QuAM dose not wipe out stations=20 with noise. Please do us a faivor and help bring back AM STEREO=20 insted of MORE noise to the AM BAND. Thank you for your time Jim=20 Smith Neer Sacramento Ca >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Jim!!! I only hope your letter wasn't a "cry in the desert". GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From starship_2001@msn.com Sun Apr 15 05:55:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29650 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2007 12:54:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2007 12:54:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.153) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2007 12:54:43 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.136.12]) by bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 05:50:25 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 05:50:25 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.6 by BAY131-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 12:50:24 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 12:50:24 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2007 12:50:25.0990 (UTC) FILETIME=[A37C4E60:01C77F5C] Return-Path: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: I wish X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=q-1AGdJGF5U_zJiJaLiGWz9LQt_4MhM6kzc_rBM-pwRy1CFXH-rZfaghDg X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This would be nice..........but unfortunatly the stations that installed and turned on IBOC (HD Radio) have already invested $$$$$ into it and are not going to just turn it off. Instead they will pat themselves on the back and promote how great it sounds...............as they jam out the MW band at night once nghttime IBOC starts up in force. After the entire and becomes unusable (and this isn't limited to USA borders) then perhaps some iNTERNATIONAL action wll get it turned off if anyone is around still listening. -----Original Message----- From: jotape1960 Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 1:55 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: I wish --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang I know it wont do any good but i sent this to the FCC comitionaner on there site. JS > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jimsmith95663@... > To: Michael.Copps@... > Cc: jim smith > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 4:13 AM > Subject: I wish > > > Hi I wish you all could take HD AM off the air and mandate that all AM MUSIC stations go with C-QuAM AM STEREO . That would put good STEREO sound with out all the side band noise to nabering stations DAY GROUND WAY and NIGHT SKY WAVE wich now theres going to be alot of SKY WAVE noise to every one on the band. So what i am saying is that AM stataions can only trasmitt one HD AM channel any way just like C-QuAM AM STEREO but C-QuAM dose not wipe out stations with noise. Please do us a faivor and help bring back AM STEREO insted of MORE noise to the AM BAND. Thank you for your time Jim Smith Neer Sacramento Ca > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Jim!!! I only hope your letter wasn't a "cry in the desert". GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic, Chile, South America, with love Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sun Apr 15 09:06:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 76023 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2007 16:06:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2007 16:06:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.102) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2007 16:06:37 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n9.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2007 16:06:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2007 16:06:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2007 16:06:13 -0000 Date: 15 Apr 2007 16:06:12 -0000 Message-ID: <1176653172.10543.17033.w111@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /AM CQUAM Transmitter Kit/Amax1_3.jpg Uploaded by : pdmtr Description : AMAX-1 C-QUAM AM Stereo Transmitter You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/AM%20CQUAM%20Transmitter%20Kit/Amax1_3.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, pdmtr From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sun Apr 15 09:09:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 89573 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2007 16:09:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2007 16:09:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.115) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2007 16:09:29 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2007 16:07:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2007 16:07:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2007 16:07:57 -0000 Date: 15 Apr 2007 16:07:55 -0000 Message-ID: <1176653275.25451.30812.w124@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /AM CQUAM Transmitter Kit/AMCQUAM-1098KHztest5.JPG Uploaded by : pdmtr Description : AMAX-1 C-QUAM stereo tests on a SONY ST-JX220A You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/AM%20CQUAM%20Transmitter%20Kit/AMCQUAM-1098KHztest5.JPG To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, pdmtr From groucho@skyweb.net Sun Apr 15 09:42:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54879 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2007 16:42:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2007 16:42:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.31) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2007 16:42:34 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.47] (pool-68-239-235-28.nwrk.east.verizon.net [68.239.235.28]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.11/8.12.3) with ESMTP id l3FH1Enc029602 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 13:01:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <46225659.7090404@skyweb.net> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 12:44:09 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <996056.54053.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000b01c77e37$b13b40e0$d503fea9@stodd> In-Reply-To: <000b01c77e37$b13b40e0$d503fea9@stodd> X-Originating-IP: 66.6.128.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145; y=NoB7ZLFEPkzqG6EQLC1rTazc_QNpsDTddTJgH2WavVTVJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott its a 10kw transmitter 5kw is Easy.. I wrote the guy asking what station it came from. tags still on the Power modules. it cannot be more than 2 years old I figure. wonder if its still under warrentee. and here I always thought my AM10A was a Lemon keeping my fingers crossed its been working a few months now with no problems. Neal Scott Todd wrote: >3 kilobucks ain't bad even for the shape it's in. Only wish I had both the >$$ to buy it and a place to actually use it. If it were 5kW, I'd try to get >my manager to approve buying it to replace a cranky Omnitronix. > >from the ad- > >If you plan to put this back into service I would recommend that it be sent >to Broadcast Electronics in Quincy Ill. For R&R and frequency change if >required. ><< > >Probably just needs new caps and transistors. Likely could be done for >another $500-750. > >Scott Todd > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John P." > > > > >>Hey gang - BE AMS transmitter for sale on eBay! Looks like they >>blew-up some of the power modules, but other than that, it would be good. >> >> >> > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Apr 15 18:48:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19877 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2007 01:48:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2007 01:48:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2007 01:48:28 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.238]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 168318544-1881964 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:48:22 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c77fc9$9042cf00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <1176653275.25451.30812.w124@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:50:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.238 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=T39OXXok2xazdfzEkt515Uqmqcr5mvPu_ha-nvaKXEUA34e-pJqo X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That's quite the project. Looks a lot more sophisticated than the Alfredo unit with that digital display. There is one catch, however- if you want to sell it in the US, by law you'll have to leave off the antenna connector. In US part 15 operation your total antenna also includes any cable between the transmitter and the antenna. I only wish someone had bothered to consult with us as there are a few FCC-savvy people such as myself here. I suppose if you took off the BNC connector and put some sort of stud which a whip antenna could screw into, it would make things a bit easier. The antenna would have to be perpendicular to the board for serious outdoor use. Any other details we should know about, such as cost? Is it a fairly efficient unit- ie, with 100mW of input power, is there at least 75 coming out? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: > > Hello, > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum > group. > > File : /AM CQUAM Transmitter Kit/AMCQUAM-1098KHztest5.JPG > Uploaded by : pdmtr > Description : AMAX-1 C-QUAM stereo tests on a SONY ST-JX220A > > You can access this file at the URL: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/AM%20CQUAM%20Transmitter%20Kit/AMCQUAM-1098KHztest5.JPG > > From sub79@shortwavelog.com Sun Apr 15 19:57:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: sub79@shortwavelog.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57280 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2007 02:57:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m37a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2007 02:57:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.206) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2007 02:57:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2007 02:57:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2007 02:57:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 02:57:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1176653172.10543.17033.w111@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.127.3.115 From: "Robert Sillett" Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272077405; y=IwQCCPotN-CStb0UbYwZBhuuwjD5RVjMcO1Ra20CX2EObQ X-Yahoo-Profile: sillett I've looked at the web site, but the AM Stereo transmitters are not listed. Will these become shipping products? If so, when and how much? It looks extremely cool!=20=20 Thanks. Bob From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon Apr 16 12:28:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39327 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2007 19:28:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2007 19:28:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2007 19:28:39 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2007 19:28:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2007 19:28:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:28:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006d01c77fc9$9042cf00$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.75.221.184 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board (was: New file uploaded to amstereoforum) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=1QCBOk-LSPZDyNUB8yKaD3A5cdCbO2w1S5gZ5YCe0oA X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi Scott=20 It's not like the Alfredo transmitter for sure. And thats not only=20 because of the LCD! :))=20 It is a CQUAM Tx with DDS synthesizer, covering the whole band of=20 520 - 1705KHz, uCU generation of the IQ baseband, and it is capable=20 to provide a incredible good separation on our CQUAM receivers that=20 we have test it.=20 I'm aware of the Part 15 antenna connection issue, and probably for=20 US it will not be available with BNC output connector. Although most=20 of the so-called certified units I know, have a rather common antenna=20 connector (using worldwide known RCA - Phono jack for antenna=20 connection isn't what the part15 requires I think...). At this time=20 the unit isn't a part 15 certified (as I'm not from the states to=20 have the ability to apply for it) but it will rather be a unit that=20 complies with part 15 requirements for 520-1705KHz devices... If=20 someone will be interested later to apply on behalf of me for type=20 approval I will supply it EXACTLY by the part 15 rules! And it will=20 be housed for that on a specific casing with a special antenna=20 connection (not commonly available) as part 15 requires in case that=20 an antenna connection is required.=20 About final amplifier i've used a 2 FET topology that can be=20 efficient up to 80% easily. So the 100mW PEP is good enough for it.=20 On the other hand I'm not so sure about the part 15 100mW PEP rule...=20 There is something strange about that and the max allowable Field=20 strength that I still have to clarify...=20=20 About the cost I'm sure it will be much lower than most of the AM=20 Part 15 Tx units I've seen until now...=20 Of course any suggestions on it are welcome at this phase, as this is=20 the final prototypes and I'm in the pre-production last improvements.=20 So if someone has a good idea for it, maybe I could include it...=20 One thing is that due to board space (at this time) I can't do large=20 scale improvements on the circuitry of it...=20 Best regards Sotris =20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > That's quite the project. Looks a lot more sophisticated than the=20 Alfredo > unit with that digital display. There is one catch, however- if=20 you want to > sell it in the US, by law you'll have to leave off the antenna=20 connector. > In US part 15 operation your total antenna also includes any cable=20 between > the transmitter and the antenna. I only wish someone had bothered=20 to > consult with us as there are a few FCC-savvy people such as myself=20 here. I > suppose if you took off the BNC connector and put some sort of stud=20 which a > whip antenna could screw into, it would make things a bit easier.=20=20 The > antenna would have to be perpendicular to the board for serious=20 outdoor use. > Any other details we should know about, such as cost? Is it a=20 fairly > efficient unit- ie, with 100mW of input power, is there at least 75=20 coming > out? >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: >=20 >=20 > > > > Hello, > > > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum > > group. > > > > File : /AM CQUAM Transmitter Kit/AMCQUAM-1098KHztest5.JPG > > Uploaded by : pdmtr > > Description : AMAX-1 C-QUAM stereo tests on a SONY ST-JX220A > > > > You can access this file at the URL: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/AM%20CQUAM% 20Transmitter%20Kit/AMCQUAM-1098KHztest5.JPG > > > > > From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon Apr 16 12:44:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54308 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2007 19:44:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2007 19:44:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.119) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2007 19:44:08 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2007 19:39:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2007 19:39:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2007 19:39:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:39:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.119 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.75.221.184 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=YjIxNF8i56hcrlmo93ljrsiXvBufdyVFNs7N2Pu7CoU X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi Robert=20 It's not available at the moment... First units will be ready in the=20 next 2 weeks or so...=20 Price will be low enough... to be easilly compared to most of the AM=20 Part 15 units I know... :)=20 Best regards=20 Sotris=20 PS: I'm also in the process of another CQUAM related project (the=20 other "end"...). Yes, I know that these are the days of the IBOQ dawn=20 there... but I do believe that part 15 has too much space for C-QUAM=20 and monophonic analog transmitters...=20 Or anybody out there beleives that it will get IBOQ Part15 Tx units=20 soon? :)=20 =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Sillett" =20 wrote: > > I've looked at the web site, but the AM Stereo transmitters are not > listed. >=20 > Will these become shipping products? If so, when and how much? >=20 > It looks extremely cool!=20=20 >=20 > Thanks. >=20 > Bob > From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Mon Apr 16 12:55:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85639 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2007 19:55:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2007 19:55:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s13.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.85) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2007 19:55:21 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.162.79]) by bay0-omc1-s13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:53:02 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:53:01 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 76.1.232.254 by BAY108-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:52:59 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:52:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Apr 2007 19:53:01.0407 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6E7A6F0:01C78060] Return-Path: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=XN3nH6PZnVrtMVwArxRZZfulL_eJu2irsAz3q_qtslBW X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Two Things. Have an option to have Balanced 600 ohm +4dbu inputs and put it in a sheilded caseing with a rack mount option. Add those and i'm sold ;) Thank You, ----------------------------------------------- Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sotiris" To: Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:39 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board Hi Robert It's not available at the moment... First units will be ready in the next 2 weeks or so... Price will be low enough... to be easilly compared to most of the AM Part 15 units I know... :) Best regards Sotris PS: I'm also in the process of another CQUAM related project (the other "end"...). Yes, I know that these are the days of the IBOQ dawn there... but I do believe that part 15 has too much space for C-QUAM and monophonic analog transmitters... Or anybody out there beleives that it will get IBOQ Part15 Tx units soon? :) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Sillett" wrote: > > I've looked at the web site, but the AM Stereo transmitters are not > listed. > > Will these become shipping products? If so, when and how much? > > It looks extremely cool! > > Thanks. > > Bob > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Apr 16 15:59:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19361 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2007 22:58:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2007 22:58:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.133) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2007 22:58:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 1914 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Apr 2007 22:57:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: NhEFGxUVM1mT1c8JXzjunm607o8sztwnb3hzXGf_luxNmtfv4lU5k50sjr1U2r9s558fZiAEMQ-- Received: from [209.213.18.56] by web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:57:44 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:57:44 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <946713.1906.qm@web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=nSzdn4NdsCIuvDjymw7p1IGenkuAskm4cqI3fAjmT98 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Sotiris wrote: > Or anybody out there beleives that it will get IBOQ > Part15 Tx units soon? :) In one word........NO Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Apr 16 16:30:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47701 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2007 23:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2007 23:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52203.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.126) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2007 23:29:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 83518 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Apr 2007 23:17:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: RfGN478VM1lEL3ZjZbVhPAOa1hbGjJY.vXHiMFDDIW0m_.9O8XlZVtRJfsYref00_Q-- Received: from [209.213.18.56] by web52203.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:17:26 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:17:26 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <767419.83463.qm@web52203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=kVwXUWJFFBrLocfAVXiZ1Xua9f2SLnIBp_LmqFfAsFY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" wrote: > Two Things. Have an option to have Balanced 600 ohm > +4dbu inputs and put it > in a sheilded caseing with a rack mount option. Well shielded casing and rack mound handles on the side. The balanced 600 ohm is broadcast standard, then I could use my CRL AM stereo limiter. Powell From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Apr 16 17:06:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11460 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2007 00:05:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2007 00:05:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2007 00:05:19 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.235.84.248.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.235.84.248]) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Hdb1E-0006rC-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:54:00 -0400 Message-ID: <46240CAD.8050607@peoplepc.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:54:21 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <767419.83463.qm@web52203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <767419.83463.qm@web52203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=U_v-4yT7KC5iEHMmJTZsktAjK7CymKhwuhppJ22A8EPOYAe7fGqQCiUTsVIYIg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > The balanced 600 ohm is broadcast standard, then > I could use my CRL AM stereo limiter. Nevermind that CRL...I would put my DAP 310s to it! Possum From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Apr 16 17:34:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6742 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2007 00:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2007 00:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52209.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.132) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2007 00:34:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 7958 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Apr 2007 00:32:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: OBb3F9QVM1mN8Bh0S7QdzbXBaBJGeyHlYrIKZlT6SgVJ3.5qhqWE9Z7Ot.2sySh_a9y95WyL8g-- Received: from [209.213.18.56] by web52209.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:32:36 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:32:36 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <46240CAD.8050607@peoplepc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <719244.7224.qm@web52209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=kFqQOHIGGNPXUCl-vNtKPuCDrM-c8b5k041M8phzLcY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > The balanced 600 ohm is broadcast standard, then > > I could use my CRL AM stereo limiter. > Nevermind that CRL...I would put my DAP 310s to it! > Possum I don't have one of those.....yet Powell From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon Apr 16 17:58:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65087 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2007 00:58:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2007 00:58:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2007 00:58:15 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.197]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 166532370-1881964 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:56:18 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c7808b$7632d200$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:57:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 3, in=2, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.197 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=FWUJN-7BnYHlIHgpAkvx17ZCH_6WetR66fJtXTDXsF4KIHoeNOVq X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" > Two Things. Have an option to have Balanced 600 ohm +4dbu inputs and put it > in a sheilded caseing with a rack mount option. > What would the point of being rack mounted? Because whatever antenna you use for part-15 has to be attached to the unit, and for any decent range it would have to be mounted on a pole outdoors, seems putting it in a rack case is self-defeating *unless* it's for either driving another amp stage somewhere else or if you're only interested in covering your own property. I'm building one with a rack mount but am using the Alfredo unit as an exciter by tapping the signal before the output so the final envelope modulated stage can be outdoors. Sotiris- I'd like to see a weatherproof outdoor enclosure similar to the Hamilton Rangemaster. An improvement over the Rangemaster needs to be made for the antenna. These short antennas have very poor bandwidth. You may get a good match at the carrier frequency but at sideband frequencies it gets significantly worse and fast! I've known people with Rangemasters who have slipped a 1-1/2" or 2" copper pipe over the antenna and made it sound significantly better with better range as well. Stereo signals need better bandwidth so I don't think it's an option. Chances are you'll have to sell the outdoor package less the antenna, but rather include instructions how the buyer can make their own using larger diameter pipe. Also- for a couple of your other questions: >>> On the other hand I'm not so sure about the part 15 100mW PEP rule... There is something strange about that and the max allowable Field strength that I still have to clarify... <<< 100mW is the DC INPUT POWER to the final stage, not 100mW PEP of signal. As for the field strength rule, you are allowed 20 microvolts at a distance of 100 feet (approx. 30 metres.) If the transmitter is certified compliant the FCC will usually overlook a violation of that level such as when the transmitter is mounted on a tall metal pole. Those levels can easily be exceeded with such a mounting, so just worry about getting the DC input power right and the rest is up to the end user. Scott Todd From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon Apr 16 18:01:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4352 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2007 01:00:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2007 01:00:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2007 01:00:46 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.197]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 165356225-1881964 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:00:32 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001c7808c$0db6a980$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <719244.7224.qm@web52209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:02:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 4, in=2, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.197 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=CYNtYU63fZErFPswYCjNSCqtuqOKbPSphkU8C9wRtRzaOlnEQfPh X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You'll need a pair of them. I'd agree about the 310s being a better choice. I think you'd still need a CRL SMP-900 or 950 after the DAPs, though. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > > --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > > Nevermind that CRL...I would put my DAP 310s to it! > > > Possum > > > I don't have one of those.....yet From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Apr 16 19:20:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82174 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2007 02:20:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2007 02:20:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.216) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2007 02:20:14 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2007 02:19:00 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2007 02:19:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2007 02:19:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 02:18:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <946713.1906.qm@web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.24.89 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=KTGxXSDF5HRxuhGZuBA5vgwZgfLUZHSl-YkJA8IdQDHNIAOi X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > --- Sotiris wrote: >=20 > > Or anybody out there beleives that it will get IBOQ > > Part15 Tx units soon? :)=20 >=20 > In one word........NO DRM, yes.. (Already been done.) IBOC, no. Why? Because IBOC is a proprietary system, unlike DRM. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Apr 16 22:38:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82357 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2007 05:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2007 05:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.30) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2007 05:37:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2007 05:34:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2007 05:34:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 05:34:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004001c7808c$0db6a980$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.2 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=l5Z8wXyNa8Uz4lDUHGK7I4-Tsif-h9uhafgKAdlCiS30TPG63g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > You'll need a pair of them. I'd agree about the 310s being a=20 better choice. > I think you'd still need a CRL SMP-900 or 950 after the DAPs,=20 though. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > > > > --- Possum Hunter wrote: >=20 > > > > > Nevermind that CRL...I would put my DAP 310s to it! > > > > > Possum > > > > > > I don't have one of those.....yet > HI GANG!!! Congratulations to the super brain(s) who made the AMAX-AMS unit!!! It's the small AM-TX I've ever seen. The only one question in my mind (and, please, forgive my=20 ignorance)... Couldn't we put a high power amplifier to raise the=20 final power to, at least, 250 Wts? (I'm thinking in some serious low=20 power use). And, the last, boys the best processing system to any audio material=20 is... THE NON PROCESSING WAY!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Apr 16 22:55:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63008 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2007 05:55:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2007 05:55:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52201.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.124) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2007 05:55:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 23108 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Apr 2007 05:54:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ocBkhwQVM1kr3uV_N3zlXX_Jh1qu8qhwdWQPGktpLrbrgaMwKJ2WbaG86ORLb_rvIKK3etwBqhQGSzNQ7xCDRsTtPTUA3L0EUS8PcsktZ9wJr84CHiLmup8dK4VBY8t1fdf5XoNcUe4Pg8o- Received: from [209.213.19.146] by web52201.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:54:10 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:54:10 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <188960.22656.qm@web52201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.124 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=7RZuyNuA2PZYn0_JjlnltFB0R4JMTI6Pm4jb_1XkWUk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jotape1960 wrote: > HI GANG!!! > > Congratulations to the super brain(s) who made the > AMAX-AMS unit!!! > > It's the small AM-TX I've ever seen. > > The only one question in my mind (and, please, > forgive my > ignorance)... Couldn't we put a high power amplifier > to raise the > final power to, at least, 250 Wts? (I'm thinking in > some serious low power use). Not legal here. > And, the last, boys the best processing system to > any audio material > is... THE NON PROCESSING WAY!!! Not really. It can lead to extreme under or overmodulation, and for the signal to be loud and clear on an average you need some processing or your range will suffer greatly. A good audio processor is a tool. You can use it wisely or foolishly. The more powerful the processor, the more wonderful the sound can be made, or more awful than you could imagine. Unfortuantely the latter happens far too often, espeically in FM in the US. Powell From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 16 23:26:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56777 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2007 06:26:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2007 06:26:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.209) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2007 06:26:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 10732 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2007 06:21:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.22.190.22 with login) by smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2007 06:21:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: n.SGjagVM1nUSuIAlXEy1yBTjwL0i8qYy5s8cibLoiA4aFn15bRc7OyMQruO2XBNpcuIiZ7FIxk7XSnI9G9TwjycM9VhXPooaZE8_Q1p4HvnQjDyzlQoswfTiMAQ5A-- Message-ID: <000c01c780b8$aeec2d80$01e3fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" References: <29859324.1176732344225.JavaMail.SYSTEM@P2PAPP02> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:21:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: CIMS00000359377 - FCC Consumer Center response from representative TSR36 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=KfpuFsDc1ODdU5-pKmLS98_nCpK7kB_pEyC9rZNRqMDEHd1B_MwStEy_YrZzwqqpo3V0_N-r X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Hi Gang This is the responce i got back from the FCC. Any one would like to join in with me!?!? There main site is www.fcc.gov . Thank you gang. Good Night. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 7:05 AM Subject: CIMS00000359377 - FCC Consumer Center response from representative TSR36 You are receiving this email in response to your inquiry to the FCC. Dear Jim Smith, Thank you for contacting the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). The Federal Communications Commission on March 22, 2007, adopted a Second Report and Order, First Order on Reconsideration, and Second Further Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (Order) concerning digital radio. When the document (FCC 07-33) is released, it will have a comment period in which you may file comments on Docket 99-325. A News Release was issued and can be viewed at: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-271699A1.pdf. To officially voice your concerns in any proceeding at the Commission, your comments should be directed to the Commission's Electronic Comment Filing System (ECFS) at: http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/ecfs/. At: http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi, you may submit your comments on 99-325. For additional information concerning filing comments, please visit this website: http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/howtocomment.html. You may petition the Commission to issue a rulemaking on this matter. Under Title 47 of the Code of Federal Regulations, section 1.401 (47 CFR § 1.401), "Petitions for Rule Making", any interested person may petition for the issuance, amendment, or repeal of a rule or regulation. 47 CFR §§ 1.49, 1.52, and 1.419(b) provides conformance requirements for petitions for rulemaking and the method of submission, i.e., petitions are addressed to the Secretary, FCC, Washington, DC 20554, or may be submitted electronically. 47 CFR rules may be accessed from the link at: http://wireless.fcc.gov/rules.html. Thank you again for your interest. Mike Landis Consumer & Governmental Affairs Bureau Consumer Inquiries & Complaints Division 1-888-225-5322 Rep Number : TSR36 From pdmtr@yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 02:14:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95667 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2007 09:14:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2007 09:14:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2007 09:14:31 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2007 09:13:43 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2007 09:13:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2007 09:13:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:13:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003001c7808b$7632d200$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.75.221.184 From: "Sotiris" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=Jct6OVl4Ts9aRhW2o1LQNQU27acTsAaZsC8mvJRfBwU X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi Scot=20 I'd like to hear your opinion on the following questions:=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > What would the point of being rack mounted? Because whatever=20 >antenna you use for part-15 has to be attached to the unit There is the =A7 15.203 "Antenna requirement" paragraph. According to=20 it,=20 "An intentional radiator shall be designed to ensure that no antenna=20 other than that furnished by the responsible party shall be used with=20 the device. The use of a permanently attached antenna or of an=20 antenna that uses a unique coupling to the intentional radiator shall be considered sufficient to comply with the provisions of this=20 section. The manufacturer may design the unit so that a broken=20 antenna can be replaced by the user, but the use of a standard=20 antenna jack or electrical connector is prohibited. This requirement does not apply to carrier current devices or to devices operated under the provisions of =A7 15.211, =A7 15.213, =A7 15.217, =A7 15.219, or =A7=20 15.221. Further, this requirement does not apply to intentional radiators that must be professionally installed, such as perimeter protection systems and some field disturbance sensors, or to other=20 intentional radiators which, in accordance with =A7 15.31(d), must be=20 measured at the installation site. However, the installer shall be=20 responsible for ensuring that the proper antenna is employed so that the limits in this part are not exceeded."=20 If this applies also for the Part15 AM transmitter units there isn't=20 a problem with using an antenna connector but only "the use of a=20 standard antenna jack or electrical connector is prohibited" So seems=20 to me that using a NON standard Antenna Jack, ie RCA Phono jacks that=20 might be the AUDIO standard connectors BUT CANNOT BE CONSIDERED AS=20 ANTENNA STANDARD CONNECTORS, then you are in compliance with that=20 paragraph! and you have an antenna jack on your unit!!!=20 Another point worths to mentioned, is the final two lines. If a=20 system is declared to be installed by pro's and measured on site for=20 compliance, then the antenna connection issue is out of question. But=20 does this also applies on Part15 AM Tx units?=20 >=20 > Sotiris- I'd like to see a weatherproof outdoor enclosure similar=20 to the > Hamilton Rangemaster.=20 As for now the PCB is for a low cost housing we use for other=20 products... But I do have in mind to make it also available as an=20 outdoor unit, as I think most people would like to get the most of=20 it ;) by the best installation possible for them. Isn't in that case=20 a antenna connection a problem according to Part 15?=20 >An improvement over the Rangemaster needs to be made > for the antenna. These short antennas have very poor bandwidth.=20=20 You may > get a good match at the carrier frequency but at sideband=20 frequencies it > gets significantly worse and fast! I've known people with=20 Rangemasters who > have slipped a 1-1/2" or 2" copper pipe over the antenna and made=20 it sound > significantly better with better range as well. Stereo signals=20 need better > bandwidth so I don't think it's an option. Chances are you'll have=20 to sell > the outdoor package less the antenna, but rather include=20 instructions how > the buyer can make their own using larger diameter pipe.=20 Yes, the antenna problem at AM broadcasting band is something that=20 the final user should take care...=20 >=20 > Also- for a couple of your other questions: > >>> > On the other hand I'm not so sure about the part 15 100mW PEP=20 rule... > There is something strange about that and the max allowable Field > strength that I still have to clarify... > <<< >=20 > 100mW is the DC INPUT POWER to the final stage, not 100mW PEP of=20 signal. As > for the field strength rule, you are allowed 20 microvolts at a=20 distance of > 100 feet (approx. 30 metres.) If the transmitter is certified=20 compliant the > FCC will usually overlook a violation of that level such as when the > transmitter is mounted on a tall metal pole. Those levels can=20 easily be > exceeded with such a mounting, so just worry about getting the DC=20 input > power right and the rest is up to the end user. >=20 > Scott Todd=20 And here is a tricky question...=20 According to:=20 ------- =A7 15.219 Operation in the band 510=961705 kHz. (a) The total input power to the final radio frequency stage=20 (exclusive of filament or heater power) shall not exceed 100=20 milliwatts. (b) The total length of the transmission line, antenna and ground lead (if used) shall not exceed 3 meters. (c) All emissions below 510 kHz or above 1705 kHz shall be attenuated=20 at least 20 dB below the level of the unmodulated carrier.=20 Determination of compliance with the 20 dB attenuation specification=20 may be based on measurements at the intentional radiator's antenna output terminal unless the intentional radiator uses a permanently attached antenna, in which case compliance shall be deomonstrated by measuring the radiated emissions. ----- =20 At (a) the DC input power of the final stage should be 100mW. OK?=20 At (b) all emissions outside of band limits should be -20dBc with=20 UNMODULATED carrier!=20 Why the (a) doesn't clarify if the maximum allowable power of the=20 final stage is for modulated or unmodulated power?=20 The use of the "total input power" and later the excluding of=20 FILAMENTs or HEATERs!!! power is somewhat unclear as if this is=20 refered to modulated or umodulated input power? The total might be=20 considered as the total power needed for tubes (that's where the=20 filament/heater goes) excluding only the filament consumption, but=20 including any Tube Grids consumption. That's for controling the final=20 use of diferrent tubes (ie. Triodes, Tetrodes, Pentodes) to act the=20 same regardless of the efficiency/amplification factor of them!!!=20=20 But it does leave the modulated - unmodulated factor unclear? While=20 later specifies that for RF related matters! So say that we install, using exactly the same 3m antenna for tests,=20 an unmodulated trimmed at max 100mW DCin unit and a 100% modulated=20 one trimmed also at 100mW DCin with peak modulation and then remove=20 the modulation from it, the field strenght of both when both will be=20 measured it will not be total different? Or add and a 50% modulated=20 third unit! Finally, does the 14.11uV/30m (24000/F=3D1700KHz) is the max limit for=20 the RF signal that it should someone based on?=20 Another thing is about the antenna as is descripted on (b). There is=20 restriction of 3m max length. Of course that will be a real small AM=20 whip antenna to be cosnidered as somewhat efficient enough... But=20 also there isn't any restrictions for the type of the antenna to be=20 used! Say that there isn't any clear restriction that I can see, for=20 capacitive hat, load coils, etc, on it or better any restriction for=20 using a 3x3m LOOP antenna for instance!!! Just the total lenght (?!)=20 of antenna, transmission line & ground lead together! How about a 3m=20 diameter loop antenna, and how that could be considered measured as=20 lenght, if not only by its diameter!=20 Also there is something more that worths to mention about the (c)=20 Read the "based on measurements at the intentional radiator's antenna output terminal (!!!) unless the intentional radiator uses a=20 permanently attached antenna"=20 Here isn't clearly that an antenna output terminal can be used at the=20 device to connect an external antenna to it? Isn't that a Antenna=20 Connector of some kind? Maybe not a standard RF connector but it is a=20 connector, isn't it?=20 Scott, all the above are just some of the questions came up from=20 reading the Part15 rules... I could ask you more shadowy things in PM=20 if you like to help me clear some things about them...=20 Best regards=20 Sotris From pdmtr@yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 02:25:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16870 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2007 09:25:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2007 09:25:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.25) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2007 09:25:03 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2007 09:23:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2007 09:23:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:23:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.75.221.184 From: "Sotiris" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=qY5AcWOG9F57wfT-BPme_vn8DLVVwH2LAsPpHGmf45o X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Yes Amy, exactly...=20 But is the DRM allowable at US for use at part15 AM Tx units??? Will=20 the FCC give type acceptance for one using it? And how about=20 receivers commonly available & not PC based Software solutions...=20 As I see it there isn't any other way for part15 AM use than the=20 analog, and the best to use to have some audio quality is the CQUAM=20 stereo. At least for now and the near future, as when the Analog it=20 will be shut-off permantly, it will also "kill" the Part15=20 microbroadcast capability you have there now...=20 best regards=20 Sotris=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > wrote: >=20 > > --- Sotiris wrote: > >=20 > > > Or anybody out there beleives that it will get IBOQ > > > Part15 Tx units soon? :)=20 > >=20 > > In one word........NO >=20 > DRM, yes.. (Already been done.) > IBOC, no. Why? Because IBOC is a proprietary system, unlike DRM. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 05:08:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25329 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2007 12:04:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2007 12:04:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.213) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2007 12:04:46 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n32.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2007 12:03:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2007 12:03:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2007 12:03:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:03:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.24.89 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=nfFh0hQX6xzimu2lF7yLaiboFNz8i28EVKfWhYPhhcdeSqMX X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > Yes Amy, exactly...=20 > But is the DRM allowable at US for use at part15 AM Tx units??? Will=20 > the FCC give type acceptance for one using it? And how about=20 > receivers commonly available & not PC based Software solutions...=20 > As I see it there isn't any other way for part15 AM use than the=20 > analog, and the best to use to have some audio quality is the CQUAM=20 > stereo. At least for now and the near future, as when the Analog it=20 > will be shut-off permantly, it will also "kill" the Part15=20 > microbroadcast capability you have there now...=20 A basic rule of Part 15 broadcasting is that any type of modulation is allowable, as long as it doesn't cause interference to any legitimate transmission. Don't forget that Part 15 broadcasting is allowable in the 160-170kHz and 1700kHz-10MHz, as well as a portion of the 13MHz band as well, but under different parameters. (Americans are so detuned from shortwave that it's not seen much as an alternative for broadcasting.) I'm sure you're aware of part15.us, a great discussion/resource site for anything Part-15 related. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 05:38:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53187 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2007 12:32:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2007 12:32:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.158) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2007 12:32:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 29774 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Apr 2007 12:31:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2klzxsAVM1kRw42oH1AfpQ.AAffSMKShk3R7ryC_2d47.GI3GPnWNFq0KiQ8qxJqxpYI2.X8F5osKYyK84HvshpYPgu179i3AGqWsZsl03bh5D6tohXnGMcuPQ-- Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 05:31:40 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 05:31:40 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <924995.29541.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=C9ObK1swEwpRzMr3aVcojjm22q7SZafqs9_rC8jOrQL4vixL7byiZqI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio This is exciting to actually have a couple of sources for AM Stereo transmitters! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 05:39:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20854 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2007 12:33:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2007 12:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.152) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2007 12:33:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 83995 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Apr 2007 12:30:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: R50xlP4VM1ks.wPe3TS8YNBa.2r.g53kZ4MtUSjIXPj5XNdm.jMtzSkGJskktCyvE_6C93ayr5378dB6SrBJ7annvdfOu6er3s6mhUXpXyw5Wd.fgOTDYnA_dg-- Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 05:30:48 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 05:30:48 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <57075.83305.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: FCc Consumer Center response from representati X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=qTsxD9HgrQnhOjUDW1Z8f5h4iMaS6YfEup2hss4FHflZvxrImKjjm_8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio "...To officially voice your concerns in any proceeding at the Commission, your comments should be directed to the Commission's Electronic Comment Filing System (ECFS)..." Where the commission will totally ignore all reasonable comments from citizens and ignore all pleas made by the general public without a big pocketbook - at least that's my experience with my submittals on FCC #99-325. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pdmtr@yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 06:40:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59348 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2007 13:40:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2007 13:40:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2007 13:40:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2007 13:35:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2007 13:35:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:35:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.75.221.184 From: "Sotiris" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=2rNzCMze_zGjhUy7ItyeXMC8EsUZB8TTDusVC-rY51c X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi Robert=20 Yes I would really like to do it with balanced audio inputs (as I=20 worked many years for the biggest radio stations here and I do=20 understand the reason to have it), but i couldn't do it at that unit=20 at this time, due to the restricted PCB area I had to fit it.=20 I've already kept notes of the possible Mark II improvments that=20 could be done if the thing goes on...=20 One of them is balanced inputs capability, and inboard 2 band audio=20 processing...=20 But those cannot fit at that small board with TH components all=20 around. However I've already have take care to put good internal=20 metal case shielding for basic parts of the Tx system.=20 About 19" rack mount version isn't that an overkill of the case for=20 it? Also it will rise up the shipping cost as I'm not located at US=20 as you might know...=20 Of course anyone could work it out and put it inside a rack mount=20 chassis... :)=20 Best regards=20 Sotris=20 PS: Is the Chrysafis (Goldman) of Greek origin?=20 =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis"=20 wrote: > > Two Things. Have an option to have Balanced 600 ohm +4dbu inputs=20 and put it > in a sheilded caseing with a rack mount option. >=20 > Add those and i'm sold ;) >=20 > Thank You, >=20 > ----------------------------------------------- > Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis > Universal Life Ministries (ULC) > http://www.ulc.org >=20 > Moderator Hunterdonfree > http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Sotiris" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:39 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board >=20 >=20 > Hi Robert=20 > It's not available at the moment... First units will be ready in=20 the=20 > next 2 weeks or so...=20 > Price will be low enough... to be easilly compared to most of the=20 AM=20 > Part 15 units I know... :)=20 > Best regards=20 > Sotris=20 >=20 > PS: I'm also in the process of another CQUAM related project (the=20 > other "end"...). Yes, I know that these are the days of the IBOQ=20 dawn=20 > there... but I do believe that part 15 has too much space for C- QUAM=20 > and monophonic analog transmitters...=20 > Or anybody out there beleives that it will get IBOQ Part15 Tx units=20 > soon? :)=20 >=20=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Sillett" =20 > wrote: > > > > I've looked at the web site, but the AM Stereo transmitters are=20 not > > listed. > >=20 > > Will these become shipping products? If so, when and how much? > >=20 > > It looks extremely cool!=20=20 > >=20 > > Thanks. > >=20 > > Bob > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > Yahoo! Groups Links > From pdmtr@yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 06:45:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78536 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2007 13:45:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2007 13:45:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.134) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2007 13:45:16 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2007 13:38:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2007 13:38:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2007 13:38:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:38:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.75.221.184 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=0LpOJoYY89jjhvabFhV-4pSUjESka5CdU6tmAILuCJ0 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > A basic rule of Part 15 broadcasting is that any type of modulation is > allowable, as long as it doesn't cause interference to any legitimate > transmission.=20 That's for sure very interesting... !!!=20 So DRM is a possibility for future! Thats's GOOOOOOD! :)) > I'm sure you're aware of part15.us, a great discussion/resource site > for anything Part-15 related. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Yes Amy do know it... :)=20 Thanks=20 Sotris From pdmtr@yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 07:19:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46862 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2007 14:19:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2007 14:19:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2007 14:19:04 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2007 14:18:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2007 14:18:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2007 14:18:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:18:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.75.221.184 From: "Sotiris" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=9VWoz-bIixkJiiyatAqEIekMLgZEwjwgYp4ufC1awnM X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi Juan=20 Well that's not for sure the reason I builded... :) Amplifing that=20 unit up to 250W! is for sure a long way trip... But of course one can=20 do it... ;)=20 Have use it to drive a 100W amplifier and it did what it had to do=20 perfectly. I've also consider to include an output of the L+R=20 component for final modulated amplification circuits, as an option...=20 So it's possible, although not intended for such use... :)=20 Easiest way should be the use of LINEAR amplifiers that could be=20 driven with ready modulated signal and amplify it, but that is a so- called "power - hungry" solution as all stages should be class A and=20 that leads to an efficiency of ~25% of each stage used... So to get=20 ie 250W carrier or 1KW PEP you will have a reduced overall efficiency=20 of the system you'll use. Except you'll find a way to use PWM final=20 modulation, but to tell the truth, I'm not so sure (and cannot=20 recommended it at any case) that our unit can stand as an exciter for=20 such a system :(=20 You'll need at least some phase correction devices to achieve a good=20 on-air C-QUAM modulation. Maybe LPAM (less than 20W carrier) it's=20 more realistic as an option for using it... And I've had great=20 results with 20W and an average testing antenna... during some=20 test ;)=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: >=20 > HI GANG!!! >=20 > Congratulations to the super brain(s) who made the AMAX-AMS unit!!! >=20 > It's the small AM-TX I've ever seen. >=20 > The only one question in my mind (and, please, forgive my=20 > ignorance)... Couldn't we put a high power amplifier to raise the=20 > final power to, at least, 250 Wts? (I'm thinking in some serious=20 low=20 > power use). >=20 > And, the last, boys the best processing system to any audio=20 material=20 > is... THE NON PROCESSING WAY!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Tue Apr 17 07:44:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30699 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2007 14:44:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2007 14:44:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.209) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2007 14:44:10 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.162.87]) by bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 17 Apr 2007 07:38:54 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 07:38:53 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 76.1.232.254 by BAY108-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:38:50 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:38:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Apr 2007 14:38:53.0751 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F3D5470:01C780FE] Return-Path: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Ideal C-QuAM Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=43z_uLQF4BwlJzyrc4YsUaOszVVAaxNC2tFsz-jSc1K6 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd TCXO in the PLL Circuit. sheilded outdoor case. Mod monitor output Tap (BNC) full 100mW Input to the final RF. Final RF stage should be as effecient as possible. Toriodial output (like rangemaster) with a external antenna connector designed to hold a 2" Dia. Copper Pipe. this will give the BW necessary to pass the QuAM signal. remote control antenna tuning would rock, not sure house feasible that woul be. and remote rf output control. Balanced +4dbu 600 ohm inputs. no internal limiting or processing. no synch capabilities as it's hard to synch C-QuAM signals. remote metering outputs to monitor volts/milliamps to final stage from house to show FCC compliance. Should be type certified under part 15.219(b) considering what people pay for a hamilton you'd probably get a good amount for something like this. Thank You, ----------------------------------------------- Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 08:22:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83706 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2007 15:22:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2007 15:22:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.164) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2007 15:22:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 87278 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Apr 2007 15:21:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 51xnex4VM1myWcrMrk_e5f9JPrLpaJwSWy0nuaOJzXGVIvJ_AQIs7tVUhDSwVhEWWVioxhvkJ3iYNKdQMmi2cycK96pF37_fTpNbpW4Dhn.H3d71A5kXayF3yQ-- Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 08:21:20 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 08:21:20 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <401192.67150.qm@web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Terk Antenna on Amazon! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=IgTc1C9xQyITFUcevZIUg1cnRxpParmHWqz8aqzFcSxJJesQv3Vb7yQ X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I had a pleasant surprise when I spotted the "Terk Technology AM-1000 Advantage Passive AM Indoor Antenna" on Amazon.com - I never thought of them as a place to get one of the best AM loop antennae! AM LIVES! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 08:26:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73250 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2007 15:26:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2007 15:26:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52203.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.126) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2007 15:26:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 54161 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Apr 2007 15:26:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ociqTXEVM1mhuYe63cd6wn2rocXmWJDzvgQun737tPCct7vhQhbS1WBz3x9xe2M.naeDQDfqQDp9kKtT_QbKcCRWTJcC606Paeh5jv_hlTOeSDj6bb1vCw3VZMVrJ63cJy9yLYRq0lMogQ-- Received: from [209.213.19.22] by web52203.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 08:26:38 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 08:26:38 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <765151.53783.qm@web52203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=hfGj0dbMpKsz2o1LV1H6SWYF3JwG5meq9NDjS_j1sks X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Sotiris wrote: > Yes Amy, exactly... > But is the DRM allowable at US for use at part15 AM > Tx units??? At the 100 mw llevel DRM would be useless. As for when analog shut off occurs on the MW band, I don't think they are referring to Part 15 but commercial stations ruunning in hybrid mode. Powell From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 12:43:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27810 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2007 19:42:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2007 19:42:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.162) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2007 19:42:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 98821 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Apr 2007 19:41:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: PWQkqpYVM1nYKLj01OeVg2xyT3Z87BHJwWIN6iaxsN7vByVe_03yRn0pqPpGzZclbbQcwDgudiHQd2j7oaCybWnIybnY53AmEHY4iYfsWY1LE1TqwlArkIvAig-- Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:41:47 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:41:47 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <163425.98618.qm@web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From darla_177@yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 16:04:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: darla_177@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78867 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2007 23:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2007 23:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.253) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2007 23:04:30 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n30.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2007 23:03:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2007 23:03:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2007 23:03:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 23:03:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.253 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.174.166.39 From: "darla_177" Subject: MFE-201 use for am antenna??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=224114712; y=Dc_zLaCdBL7gYwFwP80Ni1vshEkXucUU6v4dqC7RzbQwtRur X-Yahoo-Profile: darla_177 i am wondering if anyone knows if the MFE201 transistor could be used=20 as the primary transistor in an AM active antenna design. Motorola's=20 website is too vauge on info and datasheets for this part aren't=20 giving conclusive info on the parts complete bandwidth. Thanks for any info any of uyou may have.... David C=20 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 00:09:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20509 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2007 07:09:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2007 07:09:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.249) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2007 07:09:48 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n29.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2007 07:09:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2007 07:09:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2007 07:09:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 07:09:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <765151.53783.qm@web52203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.9 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=hQqQVIVfniEja-9ctMbTkoLVykIrwPh2c24C3gkB6PlxbGS1KQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > --- Sotiris wrote: >=20 > > Yes Amy, exactly...=20 > > But is the DRM allowable at US for use at part15 AM > > Tx units???=20 >=20 > At the 100 mw llevel DRM would be useless. As for when > analog shut off occurs on the MW band, I don't think > they are referring to Part 15 but commercial stations > ruunning in hybrid mode. >=20 > Powell > Boys, let's be realistics, IS THERE SOMEBODY IN THIS FORUM WHO=20 REALLY THINKS THE DIGITAL AUDIO WILL BE "THE" MW AM SOLUTION,=20 CONSIDERING THE WEATHER AND SOLAR UNFRIENDLY MW BAND CONDITIONS? Maybe it would be a possibility to the MEGAPOWER stations (more than=20 25 KWS), but What about the typical normal and small village=20 stations? A TX with 25 KWS output power eats near 50 KWS electric=20 power per hour!!! At least, in my beautiful country CHILE, the=20 electric power isn't free and it isn't cheap. IS THE ELECTRIC POWER=20 FREE AND CHEAP IN USA? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 00:46:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10945 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2007 07:46:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2007 07:46:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.31) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2007 07:46:07 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2007 07:44:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2007 07:44:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 07:44:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.24.89 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=uULqrToLO5P9TCLuMw3RFKLswZ9qOAe_lKaFD48V10lTv6Hh X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > Boys, let's be realistics, IS THERE SOMEBODY IN THIS FORUM WHO=20 > REALLY THINKS THE DIGITAL AUDIO WILL BE "THE" MW AM SOLUTION,=20 > CONSIDERING THE WEATHER AND SOLAR UNFRIENDLY MW BAND CONDITIONS? Not at all. Add to that the normal level of RFI at MW frequencies- It is NOT a "quiet" band, unlike VHF and higher, and is more prone to electrical interference than many other bands. Analogue AM may be noisy from time to time, but it's listenable, intelligable, and doesn't drop out. > Maybe it would be a possibility to the MEGAPOWER stations (more than=20 > 25 KWS), but What about the typical normal and small village=20 > stations? A TX with 25 KWS output power eats near 50 KWS electric=20 > power per hour!!! At least, in my beautiful country CHILE, the=20 > electric power isn't free and it isn't cheap. IS THE ELECTRIC POWER=20 > FREE AND CHEAP IN USA? The only ones that seem to benefit from AM IBOC are those that have to contend with reception issues brought about by closely-spaced skyscapers- For example, WOR. But that ain't for most places. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 09:19:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37452 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2007 16:19:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2007 16:19:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.133) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2007 16:19:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 95453 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Apr 2007 16:19:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: UAN5PUwVM1kynQMd94dz3xQ3pQQZamHtKS2ZMVJY Received: from [209.213.18.96] by web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:19:03 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:19:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <185293.95419.qm@web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=skJg2EPE6w0XH3uZfk7SD3mg18KkLWwR7-kAGwaZrdE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jotape1960 wrote: > > At the 100 mw llevel DRM would be useless. As for > when > > analog shut off occurs on the MW band, I don't > think > > they are referring to Part 15 but commercial > stations > > ruunning in hybrid mode. > > > > Powell > > > > Boys, let's be realistics, IS THERE SOMEBODY IN THIS > FORUM WHO > REALLY THINKS THE DIGITAL AUDIO WILL BE "THE" MW AM > SOLUTION, > CONSIDERING THE WEATHER AND SOLAR UNFRIENDLY MW BAND > CONDITIONS? Not as IBOC or DRM. DRM has slightly better robustness, but you still have to have a VERY strong signal for it to decode, especially on SW. > Maybe it would be a possibility to the MEGAPOWER > stations (more than > 25 KWS), but What about the typical normal and small > village > stations? A TX with 25 KWS output power eats near 50 > KWS electric > power per hour!! NOT unless you are using an old transmitter...or transmitting solid tones at 100% modulation. That's what I see when looking at specifications of the BD 4MX25, the Harris 3DX-25. WKDK has a BE AM-1a. At 100% modulation with a solid tone it takes 2.05 KW. At average modulation (about 85%) with standard program content the power consumption is 1250 watts. See the picture? ! At least, in my beautiful country > CHILE, the > electric power isn't free and it isn't cheap. IS THE > ELECTRIC POWER > FREE AND CHEAP IN USA? No, but costs do vary from place to place. Out west you could run a 1 KW station off grid with solar, but the initial outlay would leave you breathless. It would pay off in the long run. Powell From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Apr 18 14:40:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23277 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2007 21:39:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2007 21:39:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2007 21:39:27 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.105.93.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.105.93]) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HeHkR-0003kg-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:31:32 -0400 Message-ID: <46263571.5090808@peoplepc.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:12:49 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=Q-btZnpt2sx8ytsEpunt5kY3mOW6LQlqSBIUAGeG_DJ87rmUevSwIc--adtmBQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jotape1960 wrote: > What about the typical normal and small village stations? A 1KW or 500 Watt station will not be able to cover the City Of License with HD-Radio, but WILL light the Stereo in C-QUAM for a couple of Counties. > A TX with 25 KWS output power eats near 50 KWS electric power per hour!!! At least, in my beautiful country CHILE, the > electric power isn't free and it isn't cheap. IS THE ELECTRIC POWER FREE AND CHEAP IN USA? At the 50 KW stations I did engineering work for, the Electric Bill was the largest expense. Both stations did have Tube (Valve) transmitters. One had a Harris VP-50, the other had a Continental 317C. Man did that VP-50 Suck up some power! Kevin From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Apr 18 15:12:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29941 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2007 22:12:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2007 22:12:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fall-curlleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (207.69.195.105) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2007 22:12:47 -0000 Received: from dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net ([207.69.200.112]) by fall-curlleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HeI2t-0002Te-HW for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:50:35 -0400 Received: from dialup-4.91.105.93.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.105.93]) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HeHkl-0003mB-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:31:52 -0400 Message-ID: <4626589C.9070204@peoplepc.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:42:52 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <719244.7224.qm@web52209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <004001c7808c$0db6a980$d503fea9@stodd> In-Reply-To: <004001c7808c$0db6a980$d503fea9@stodd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.195.105 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: DAP 310s was:AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=WX8_ZtR_sri-TQjqOFn1yU424xHJjhK-fesnXDc0Yb-8gUX0s3kkMhN-1pmiVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Scott Todd wrote: > You'll need a pair of them. Got 'em, and the cables to link them together for Stereo use! > I'd agree about the 310s being a better choice. > I think you'd still need a CRL SMP-900 or 950 after the DAPs, though. Only if you need to comply with NRSC, and there is no need to do that on a part 15. The DAP 310 is a great stand alone AM processor. It isn't as "Bone Crushing Loud" as an Optimod, but sure sounds smoother. I have never understood why they didn't make a NRSC version of the DAP 310 and keep it in production. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 18:09:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3722 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2007 01:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2007 01:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52212.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.135) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2007 01:09:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 96418 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2007 00:43:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .nDL2mIVM1kfzCduK28ra4WrmWXQUYiPLlqH.Nqys1xXeIrLvh239dNlOk4noUwbZLPnE.PqqA-- Received: from [209.213.19.135] by web52212.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:43:00 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:43:00 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <46263571.5090808@peoplepc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <426887.95112.qm@web52212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=aJEnBwpwRNBBlhYErJfd5vxEDCuoIGgn4AqgnTrxfao X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > At the 50 KW stations I did engineering work for, > the Electric Bill was > the largest expense. Both stations did have Tube > (Valve) transmitters. > One had a Harris VP-50, the other had a Continental > 317C. Man did that > VP-50 Suck up some power! > > Kevin VP-50...musta been WHYZ. Powell From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Apr 18 18:22:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35409 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2007 01:22:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2007 01:22:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2007 01:22:32 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.235.184.190.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.235.184.190]) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HeLLs-0003Ft-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:22:24 -0400 Message-ID: <4626C467.9090306@peoplepc.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:22:47 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <426887.95112.qm@web52212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <426887.95112.qm@web52212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=3iTTezS6tEWOcOxsjYIe2N6M1V4iD614PfNlfgZzckRveVuYrbyHyxFemT9d_w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > VP-50...musta been WHYZ. Yes. Gee gads that monster pulled some awful power, even on the rare chance it was working right! Possum From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 19:15:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88695 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2007 02:15:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2007 02:15:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52203.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.126) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2007 02:15:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 98812 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2007 02:15:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: gPum_vQVM1lc_lerTQ4fTc9PLvw2UNtSlg7acEI0NCQvcBzyeYEtKzsMytcS8oS.wC_9BnYCToyexP6JI0vK_yLDnqdjaMYRB3zlZ5sOhJaXdAW8FDX0zBi2bV2.yYYplw6gg26T.8Ymvw-- Received: from [209.213.19.135] by web52203.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:15:09 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:15:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4626C467.9090306@peoplepc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <375372.97756.qm@web52203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=mHZQ7eKYmilKtXFHDTw1WwnWbdWGQxdKaMtiv-1ZxE0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > VP-50...musta been WHYZ. > Yes. Gee gads that monster pulled some awful power, > even on the rare chance it was working right! > Possum There were very few of those sold. Powell From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Apr 18 19:42:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94404 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2007 02:42:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2007 02:42:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2007 02:42:07 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.74]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 167114605-1881964 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:40:10 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f901c7822c$5132bcc0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <426887.95112.qm@web52212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:42:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=3, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.74 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=GqAx69PYY_qhEMrJmb620grv5o9fuynJ_lK7ssinYh7x_0tO4u5b X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Of course it was inefficient- it was a high level modulated rig. The PDM successor, the MW-50, used way less. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > > > > At the 50 KW stations I did engineering work for, > > the Electric Bill was > > the largest expense. Both stations did have Tube > > (Valve) transmitters. > > One had a Harris VP-50, the other had a Continental > > 317C. Man did that > > VP-50 Suck up some power! > > > > Kevin > > > VP-50...musta been WHYZ. > > Powell From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Apr 18 19:42:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18690 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2007 02:42:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2007 02:42:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2007 02:42:35 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.74]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 167114085-1881964 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:37:18 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ef01c7822b$eaca9ca0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <719244.7224.qm@web52209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <004001c7808c$0db6a980$d503fea9@stodd> <4626589C.9070204@peoplepc.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:37:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=2, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.74 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} DAP 310s was:AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=TYfh6cFZxKMB0t5udfG-AqwBfehitybbC8aGnrw5eCMJrLZl_-Qn X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The 310 was out of production long before the NRSC came along with the AM pre-emphasis standards, though it's close enough to the FM standard you could take a set of FM 310s and go that route. You'd want to bandwidth limit the audio to 10kHz. IIRC the 310 was superceded by the 610 with all that fancy LED metering around 1984; the 610A came out just a few years later when one of the chips suddenly went out of production. Most of Dorrough's later units went to Europe since they had fallen out of favor in the US with the push four more audio smashing. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" The DAP 310 is a great stand alone AM processor. It isn't as > "Bone Crushing Loud" as an Optimod, but sure sounds smoother. I have > never understood why they didn't make a NRSC version of the DAP 310 and > keep it in production. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Apr 18 19:46:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28154 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2007 02:46:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2007 02:46:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2007 02:46:30 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.74]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 167115680-1881964 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:46:05 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <010401c7822d$2503e560$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <375372.97756.qm@web52203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:47:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=4, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.74 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: 50kW transmitters- was: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=7yZsruuEqPsCUhpu5xiKw0P2wgC_sd5jUpocwNg-_5jdu_gsPInI X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I think there were only four. I remember the one up at KJNP in North Pole Alaska. Theirs worked fine. The other two were KXEL in Waterloo IA, and KDAY in Santa Monica CA. The Continentals were more efficient since they used a Doherty circuit so I'm not surprised the VP-50 didn't sell well. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > > --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > > VP-50...musta been WHYZ. > > > Yes. Gee gads that monster pulled some awful power, > > even on the rare chance it was working right! > > > Possum > > > There were very few of those sold. > > Powell From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Apr 18 19:55:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97950 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2007 02:55:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2007 02:55:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2007 02:55:16 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.74]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 167114071-1881964 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:37:12 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ee01c7822b$e6d3e700$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:27:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.74 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=fWfGwaEQcOGXtAhBLJB3_BIk3Iz528AeHrunu6Nl0h8FK-Trar45 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sotiris" Hi Scot I'd like to hear your opinion on the following questions: There is the § 15.203 "Antenna requirement" paragraph. According to it, "An intentional radiator shall be designed to ensure that no antenna other than that furnished by the responsible party shall be used with the device. The use of a permanently attached antenna or of an antenna that uses a unique coupling to the intentional radiator shall be considered sufficient to comply with the provisions of this section. [snip] However, the installer shall be responsible for ensuring that the proper antenna is employed so that the limits in this part are not exceeded." If this applies also for the Part15 AM transmitter units there isn't a problem with using an antenna connector but only "the use of a standard antenna jack or electrical connector is prohibited" So seems to me that using a NON standard Antenna Jack, ie RCA Phono jacks that might be the AUDIO standard connectors BUT CANNOT BE CONSIDERED AS ANTENNA STANDARD CONNECTORS, then you are in compliance with that paragraph! and you have an antenna jack on your unit!!! *** I don't think the FCC would interpret it that way. I have seen a few devices which have used RCA connectors. The idea is not to have a readily interchangeable antenna system- one which could easily be replaced with a non-legal length antenna. Another point worths to mentioned, is the final two lines. If a system is declared to be installed by pro's and measured on site for compliance, then the antenna connection issue is out of question. But does this also applies on Part15 AM Tx units? ***This is where it gets kind of fuzzy. I know of a number of installations where transmitters were pole mounted and one in particular out in California where the transmitter was mounted on the metal structure of a billboard and the signal got out quite a bit further than anyone expected. Upon FCC inspection they found an otherwise compliant transmitter and antenna and they decided it complied with the rules. I've noticed the FCC seems to interpret their rules more leniently in this area than most other folks, myself included. > > Sotiris- I'd like to see a weatherproof outdoor enclosure similar to the > Hamilton Rangemaster. As for now the PCB is for a low cost housing we use for other products... But I do have in mind to make it also available as an outdoor unit, as I think most people would like to get the most of it ;) by the best installation possible for them. Isn't in that case a antenna connection a problem according to Part 15? ***Not necessarily. One possible way would be to connect the output of the transmitter board via a braided strap to a metal flange which is insulated from the case. The installer could temporarily remove it to silver-solder a pipe to the flange and then put the whole thing back on the box. A plumbing flange would definitely not be your typical RF connector! :) > 100mW is the DC INPUT POWER to the final stage, not 100mW PEP of signal. As > for the field strength rule, you are allowed 20 microvolts at a distance of > 100 feet (approx. 30 metres.) If the transmitter is certified compliant the > FCC will usually overlook a violation of that level such as when the > transmitter is mounted on a tall metal pole. Those levels can easily be > exceeded with such a mounting, so just worry about getting the DC input > power right and the rest is up to the end user. And here is a tricky question... According to: ------- § 15.219 Operation in the band 510-1705 kHz. (a) The total input power to the final radio frequency stage (exclusive of filament or heater power) shall not exceed 100 milliwatts. (b) The total length of the transmission line, antenna and ground lead (if used) shall not exceed 3 meters. (c) All emissions below 510 kHz or above 1705 kHz shall be attenuated at least 20 dB below the level of the unmodulated carrier. Determination of compliance with the 20 dB attenuation specification may be based on measurements at the intentional radiator's antenna output terminal unless the intentional radiator uses a permanently attached antenna, in which case compliance shall be deomonstrated by measuring the radiated emissions. ----- At (a) the DC input power of the final stage should be 100mW. OK? ***Right. At (b) all emissions outside of band limits should be -20dBc with UNMODULATED carrier! Why the (a) doesn't clarify if the maximum allowable power of the final stage is for modulated or unmodulated power? *** It will be for unmodulated power. That's what the FCC takes into account for regular AM transmitters and is the same here. The use of the "total input power" and later the excluding of FILAMENTs or HEATERs!!! power is somewhat unclear as if this is refered to modulated or umodulated input power? ***Don't bother with that part of the rule since you're not using tubes. All it means is if I were to use a 6AS6 for the output tube, the FCC wouldn't take into account the fact that its heater draws almost a watt of power. All they care about is volts x milliamps on the plate or collector, again- unmodulated. So say that we install, using exactly the same 3m antenna for tests, an unmodulated trimmed at max 100mW DCin unit and a 100% modulated one trimmed also at 100mW DCin with peak modulation and then remove the modulation from it, the field strenght of both when both will be measured it will not be total different? Or add and a 50% modulated third unit! Finally, does the 14.11uV/30m (24000/F=1700KHz) is the max limit for the RF signal that it should someone based on? *** This is another case of where the FCC doesn't make it clear what they want, and why I say that if you stick to the input power rules the rest of it doesn't matter since it's almost like they're giving you a choice. You would be allowed, under the above rule, to exceed that 20uV figure by quite a bit on the low end of the dial. Problem is, the already short antenna is an even smaller percentage of a wavelength at 1000kHz, never mind 540! Another thing is about the antenna as is descripted on (b). There is restriction of 3m max length. Of course that will be a real small AM whip antenna to be cosnidered as somewhat efficient enough... But also there isn't any restrictions for the type of the antenna to be used! Say that there isn't any clear restriction that I can see, for capacitive hat, load coils, etc, on it or better any restriction for using a 3x3m LOOP antenna for instance!!! Just the total lenght (?!) of antenna, transmission line & ground lead together! How about a 3m diameter loop antenna, and how that could be considered measured as lenght, if not only by its diameter! ***I don't think you'd get good results with a loop antenna, though you did spot a very good loophole- you CAN have loading coils and top hats. Also there is something more that worths to mention about the (c) Read the "based on measurements at the intentional radiator's antenna output terminal (!!!) unless the intentional radiator uses a permanently attached antenna" Here isn't clearly that an antenna output terminal can be used at the device to connect an external antenna to it? Isn't that a Antenna Connector of some kind? Maybe not a standard RF connector but it is a connector, isn't it? ***They seem to be mixing different types of part 15 devices in that paragraph, not just low power broadcasting units. Some of these other units could use a standard connector. Scott, all the above are just some of the questions came up from reading the Part15 rules... I could ask you more shadowy things in PM if you like to help me clear some things about them... ***That would be OK with me though I only get to my home email account a few times a week. BTW, my friend Garry Lysiac is a licensed Professional Engineer who could do an FCC certification if you are interested. Not sure what he charges, but for something fairly simple like this my guess would be no more than $1,500 US. That may sound like a lot but he's got a lot invested in test equipment which gives him the accurate results the FCC requires. I could give you his email address if you'd like. You'd have to send him a sample unit and then he could say whether it complies or not and give you some recommendations of what to change to make it so it would. He's a former FCC guy so his opinion is gold. Scott Todd From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Apr 19 12:56:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33035 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2007 19:56:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2007 19:56:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.163) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2007 19:56:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 25897 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2007 19:56:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: OD0VBUoVM1n3Ta4QLKXVkL1r9PlRz8CuPwJ8Gd20nubk9JKdUdg.DYzCFrvzBPPOFm94S1.8.w0_uaUlv7hJdR0HBTBofS4jic_J3m_9ps8qyledQYvsbj0vXQ-- Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:56:46 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:56:46 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <87605.25610.qm@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=LfqKdPgFr3FruNXVkrxf2gZPr5UUNIbKjtaYqHvs3KWh25hlGCh0tmQ X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Possum wrote: "...Continental 317C..." I don't know what it is, but these Continentals just plain scare me - maybe they should be called the 'widow-maker' or include a life insurance policy for anyone that has to maintain them. Definate "Jesus-stick" territory. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Apr 19 14:28:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74487 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2007 21:23:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2007 21:23:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.113) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2007 21:23:27 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2007 21:22:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2007 21:22:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2007 21:22:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:22:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <87605.25610.qm@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.102 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Re59YoE7Z9JwvVC9ZQUvogvUjYyC_-b2Faa1WOdSteuOeqXa2A X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > Possum wrote: "...Continental 317C..." > I don't know what it is, but these Continentals just plain scare me - > maybe they should be called the 'widow-maker' or include a life > insurance policy for anyone that has to maintain them. Definate > "Jesus-stick" territory. >=20 Any high power TX could be a "widow-maker" if you aren't careful (even=20 a 100% solid state device). But, don't be so hypercritical with that old monsters. Remember all=20 the new technology is based on that old technology (we still use the=20 same Ohm's law basis) and nobody has got to make a high power radio=20 transmitter without dangerous electric power. Only God has got to make=20 a system to transmit messages to a long distance (the praying) without=20 to use RF. Of course, God not always answers "yes". GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Apr 19 15:37:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86192 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2007 22:37:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2007 22:37:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2007 22:37:34 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.243.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.243]) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HefFr-00037Z-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:37:33 -0400 Message-ID: <4627AAB8.60707@peoplepc.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:45:28 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <719244.7224.qm@web52209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <004001c7808c$0db6a980$d503fea9@stodd> <4626589C.9070204@peoplepc.com> <00ef01c7822b$eaca9ca0$d503fea9@stodd> In-Reply-To: <00ef01c7822b$eaca9ca0$d503fea9@stodd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} DAP 310s was:AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=_KUWmvje998ck5earObBDHSy6guTn-YP2A_Uae3h_wn9kln37TVMrzZrbL4P6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Scott Todd wrote: > it's close enough to the FM standard you could take a set of FM 310s and go that route. The 310s I have were out of a local AM. One was on the main TX and the other on the Aux TX. They were in service until pretty recently they were replaced with an Optimod. > You'd want to bandwidth limit the audio to 10kHz. Both of these boxes pass above 20 kHz audio. The station did sound AWESOME running these boxes into tube transmitters, even if it was illegal. > IIRC the 310 was superceded by the 610 with all that fancy LED metering around 1984; The 610 (a) also does not have the sound that made the 310s famous. > Most of Dorrough's later units went to Europe since they had fallen out of favor in > the US with the push four more audio smashing. I think it was 1982 Orban released the Optimod AM 9000 and the Disco modification kit for it the next year. As far as I know, that is the loudest single box AM processor ever made. In the loudness wars in Greenville, SC, WHYZ and WQOK put Optimod 9000s on the air. Gee gads. At WQOK the Mod monitors would just "hang" on 99% Neg, 125% Pos and never move! Kevin From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Apr 19 15:37:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78505 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2007 22:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2007 22:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2007 22:37:43 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.243.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.243]) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HefFy-00038w-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:37:39 -0400 Message-ID: <4627AD7F.6030604@peoplepc.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:57:19 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <375372.97756.qm@web52203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <375372.97756.qm@web52203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: VP-50 Was: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=0b9qcEIsKWCKPa0WS3UfHHrdWWaIUgZ_GgVXYOKolVp9LWYINXi9Ht2i218l9w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > There were very few of those (VP-50s) sold. I know why! It really was a power soak. The Electric bill was more than all other operating expenses combined! WHYZ's Electric bill was FAR more then WESC's power bill for the 50 KW AM and 100 KW FM Combined...and WESC was using Continental tube transmitters for AM and FM. One night the Sign-Off DJ didn't leave the transmitter in Standby or the heat on and the water in the tubes froze and broke the tubes. Not a week later, the power went off overnight and the water froze and broke another set of tubes! For the longest time it ran on flat tubes that would only produce about 25 KW, but it still pulled the same amount of power as 50 KW. I would say it is a hard choice between the VP-50 or the Vanguard-1 which would be the WORST transmitter Harris-Gates ever built. Come to think of it, I say the VP-50. At least the Vanguard would pass a Stereo signal. Some time in all of the times the station was put on the air only to go dark again, somebody trashed the VP-50 and replaced it with a used MW-50...Good Move! While a new DX-50 would save the station a lot of money on the power bill, I'll bet that MW-50 uses less than half the electricity the VP-50 did! I wonder if you can even still get those Water Vapor cooled tubes for the VP-50? They would have to cost a mint! You can just send the tubes for the MW-50 to Econo for a rebuild now and then. They have a complete CRL Stereo processing chain and Motorola Stereo exciter and monitor in the transmitter room. While many engineers tried and failed tryng to make it work on the VP-50, it would sound nice on that MW-50. Kevin From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Apr 19 15:38:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31230 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2007 22:38:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2007 22:38:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2007 22:38:05 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.243.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.243]) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HefG1-00039W-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:37:41 -0400 Message-ID: <4627B09F.4020702@peoplepc.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:10:39 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <426887.95112.qm@web52212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <00f901c7822c$5132bcc0$d503fea9@stodd> In-Reply-To: <00f901c7822c$5132bcc0$d503fea9@stodd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: VP-50 Power use Was: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=L43GmPqTXDzqQKbW7clfhN1ZTiakNK331zaFakGN2NhmQH1OAJCy_7zZ0bsD_A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Scott Todd wrote: > Of course it was inefficient- it was a high level modulated rig. But even the old High Level modulated RCAs and Westinghouse transmitters used LESS power than the VP-50. The VP-50 used far more power than the old GE 50 KW it replaced after the fire. Kevin From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Apr 19 15:38:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81918 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2007 22:38:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2007 22:38:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2007 22:38:08 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.243.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.243]) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HefG3-00039u-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:37:43 -0400 Message-ID: <4627B279.9060605@peoplepc.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:18:33 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <375372.97756.qm@web52203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <010401c7822d$2503e560$d503fea9@stodd> In-Reply-To: <010401c7822d$2503e560$d503fea9@stodd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} 50kW transmitters- was: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=d0CNNSDjXivHcgGDoaAmYFaok6_K8dxrdK6mJE-5aPcR3ROEeF5Xhrq-KKUgWQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Scott Todd wrote: > I think there were only four. I remember the one up at KJNP in North Pole Alaska. Theirs worked fine. To be fair, WHYZ's VP-50 did have a hard life long before I was even old enough to work there. It was a real dog by the time Fred Jenkins hired me on and WHYZ was doing Black Gospel...after going dark and coming back on several times. I was the "Token Honky" on the staff...then it went dark yet again and the whole crew (including me) re-appeared on WPJM when it flipped from Oldies to Black Gospel a week later. For a while I had WPJM's SX1A sounding real SWEET on the air, but after Fred died I left. The station sounded beyond horrible the last time I was in the Greenville metro. Back in WHYZ's heyday as an R&B Station, you could pick it up on a Car radio in Jacksonville, FL! It really was a monster signal. Poor maintenance and pattern changes have really cut that South-East lobe now. That is the story of many AMs these days. > The Continentals were more efficient since they used a Doherty circuit so I'm not surprised the VP-50 didn't sell well. If WHYZ had bought a Continental after the fire, it would have not gone dark as many times after the end of the AM heyday, if at all. Still, Greenville is no longer an AM market at all. Only talker WYRD-WORD seems to be doing any good now, and they are way down in the ratings. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Apr 19 16:20:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44179 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2007 23:10:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2007 23:10:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52202.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.125) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2007 23:10:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 68775 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2007 23:10:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: i6isXdAVM1lEvLXqUuEUbgtNFbDSEE4UCyylfljphOXoo5cTSeTBPTDfo6pIteG2nA-- Received: from [209.213.19.187] by web52202.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:10:30 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:10:30 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4627AD7F.6030604@peoplepc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <695126.67144.qm@web52202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.125 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} VP-50 Was: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=sIHKVsZMsFsBhXtHQMBBfZc4uKeR4DulsfxKZKer-r8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Some time in all of the times the station was put on > the air only to go > dark again, somebody trashed the VP-50 and replaced > it with a used > MW-50...Good Move! While a new DX-50 would save the > station a lot of > money on the power bill, I'll bet that MW-50 uses > less than half the > electricity the VP-50 did! I wonder if you can even > still get those > Water Vapor cooled tubes for the VP-50? They would > have to cost a mint! > You can just send the tubes for the MW-50 to Econo > for a rebuild now and > then. It was a beat up MW-50 or got that way. For a long time it would only put out 25KW and then they were on the night 2.5 KW transmitter a few years. Bill finally got the MW-50 up to 50. > They have a complete CRL Stereo processing chain and > Motorola Stereo > exciter and monitor in the transmitter room. While > many engineers tried > and failed tryng to make it work on the VP-50, it > would sound nice on that MW-50. If that is still there. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Apr 19 16:26:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6479 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2007 23:26:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2007 23:26:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2007 23:26:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 58385 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2007 23:18:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: aTxAwCYVM1k0Evag9uqhEiRGtU_0I9o0EXFOpaBceNFHNcmT_MizWksuRXCsJW0KAc1iTLciXA-- Received: from [209.213.19.187] by web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:18:28 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:18:28 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4627B279.9060605@peoplepc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <621471.57446.qm@web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 50kW transmitters- was: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=kFeH3O39T3nFWpdV5m2GISH5Sw7ehkWrOttZB5l0m9s X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Back in WHYZ's heyday as an R&B Station, you could > pick it up on a Car > radio in Jacksonville, FL! It really was a monster > signal. Poor > maintenance and pattern changes have really cut that > South-East lobe > now. That is the story of many AMs these days. I wonder if there is anything left of the ground system ? > Greenville is no longer an AM market at all. Only > talker WYRD-WORD seems > to be doing any good now, and they are way down in > the ratings. And that is probably Entercom's fault. Powell From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Apr 19 16:26:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19903 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2007 23:19:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2007 23:19:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2007 23:19:15 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.243.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.243]) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Hefu1-0005W7-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:19:02 -0400 Message-ID: <4627F8FD.7090502@peoplepc.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:19:25 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=UqXEFKOl_4RssQUejfp8YNZJ8L9uwVyCRIS-ebcnyB22idfGTSNCB2XifLfbrA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 John P." wrote: >> I don't know what it is, but these Continentals just plain scare me - >> maybe they should be called the 'widow-maker' or include a life >> insurance policy for anyone that has to maintain them. Definate >> "Jesus-stick" territory. heh! Try working on a BBC 500KW transmitter, THEN tell me how unsafe a 317c is! Really, the high power transmitters are no more or less dangerous than your average HAM amp. Yes, you do need to use a Jesus Stick, but you do on a little 250 Watt AMer too. The only difference is if you don't, the spark is a wee bit stronger on that 500 KW transmitter! LOL Honestly, I don't know any engineers that have been fried to death working on a 317c, do you? Possum From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Apr 19 16:44:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61713 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2007 23:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2007 23:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2007 23:44:47 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.243.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.243]) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HegEx-0001v0-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:40:40 -0400 Message-ID: <4627FE0F.80301@peoplepc.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:41:03 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <695126.67144.qm@web52202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <695126.67144.qm@web52202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} VP-50 Was: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=vNpDrSDZyCFrSMCfwt_EYG6AT4ROb6cRMOeBsZhLKIi8O2ftcq6q2oQnJ5FMyg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > If that is still there. The Stereo stuff was in the racks the last time I was there a couple of years ago. Possum From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Apr 19 17:09:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49857 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2007 00:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2007 00:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2007 00:09:49 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.243.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.243]) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Heggl-0003vO-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:09:24 -0400 Message-ID: <462804CB.1060605@peoplepc.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:09:47 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <621471.57446.qm@web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <621471.57446.qm@web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} 50kW transmitters- was: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=Qs4znyYLXbENUGfn2zjGz5SogzNUS7tTWmYeGkhrlEscluaOF_PQi6AEByZzuQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > I wonder if there is anything left of the ground system ? > I doubt it. > And that (poor ratings of WYRD/WORD) is probably Entercom's fault. Entercom sure screwed up WSPA then killed it. When the old man owned it, WSPA still had a LOT of listeners. They also murdered WOLI, WOLT, and WGVC I still think that if somebody took over 1070 and spent some Bucks on the Plant, AND some bucks on programming, they would OWN the Upstate South Carolina AM market, and would be a Top-3 station on the Greenville Arbitron. It is the ONLY 50 KW AM anywhere near the area. If there are any "core" listeners left, I think a Smooth Jazz or Groovin' Oldies format would go over good in Greenville. I think Greenville could be an AM market if there was anything to listen to on the AM band. I mean just how many people really want to listen to a Preacher or over-modulated Spanish? Do you know how far WPCI's HD-Radio signal decodes? The C-QUAM was swamped by noise at US 25 @ US 276 in the day and I-185 @ US 25 at night. But then WFIS is swamped by noise in the drive way when on the rare occasion it is on legal Night power! My offer still stands: I will travel from Florida and provide all engineering services needed for FREE for WDAB 1580 to convert to HD-Radio if they buy the equipment needed and operate in the most robust mode. Kevin From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Apr 19 23:57:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98781 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2007 06:57:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2007 06:57:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.8) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2007 06:57:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2007 06:55:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2007 06:55:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 06:55:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4627F8FD.7090502@peoplepc.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.59 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=rqsSYQVnynerKeeJ95R_e6Hgiooq3sIIraUdca-d2CWIhEPhHw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter=20 wrote: > > John P." wrote: > >> I don't know what it is, but these Continentals just plain=20 scare me - > >> maybe they should be called the 'widow-maker' or include a life > >> insurance policy for anyone that has to maintain them. Definate > >> "Jesus-stick" territory. >=20 > heh! Try working on a BBC 500KW transmitter, THEN tell me how=20 unsafe a=20 > 317c is! Really, the high power transmitters are no more or less=20 > dangerous than your average HAM amp. Yes, you do need to use a=20 Jesus=20 > Stick, but you do on a little 250 Watt AMer too. The only=20 difference is=20 > if you don't, the spark is a wee bit stronger on that 500 KW=20 > transmitter! LOL Honestly, I don't know any engineers that have=20 been=20 > fried to death working on a 317c, do you? >=20 > Possum > HI GANG!!! I knew some "engineer" who got a good electric shock into a 100%=20 solid state 250 watts TX: ME!!! And the device was "off"!!! (I took=20 accidentally the pole of some drain cap and... it's so hurt!!!).=20 Thanks to God, I didn't die but my finger was hurt for a while. Of=20 course, more than one could say "why didn't he die"... sorry guys,=20 I'm still alive and kicking, hahahaha!!! I never heard about someone dead because a TX discharge. I think=20 it's more easy a tower accident. BUT I KNEW MORE THAN ONE AM STATION=20 DEAD, FOR EVER!!! And I think all the AM band is doomed to the=20 failure if there isn't a 180=BA format change soon. And I insist it=20 isn't a technical issue: it's just a music format problem. Who will walk the first step? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Apr 20 07:21:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11458 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2007 14:21:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2007 14:21:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.134) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2007 14:21:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 623 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Apr 2007 14:21:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .s7urj4VM1l8sqtAbr1thm1dCqGweaF2KqpBlxcq77uTJNp9YgAfgc7FpDOkWbEiGnLI3a.pCA-- Received: from [209.213.19.55] by web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:21:03 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:21:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <349516.99721.qm@web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=cabz0LLk14BSm6HFde1V4kfkRTM_fDQM8rqv42h0W_Y X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jotape1960 wrote: > And I think all the AM band is doomed to the > failure if there isn't a 180º format change soon. > And I insist it isn't a technical issue: it's just a music format > problem. But the problem is not just on the AM but also the FM band. Youth has abandoned the AM band. And no matter what the CORPORATE FOLKS say, the youth of today have a great disdain for FM too. The CORPORATE FOLKS and the NAB rail hard against satellite XM and Sirius, but the IPOD is what is really doing the trick. HAH! You can put YOUR songs on YOUR device in the order YOU want them to play. HMMMM? The CORPORATE FOLKS have their head in the sand, get screechy and defensive and quote surveys. OH,WELL, RADIO IT WAS NICE KNOWING YOU !!! Powell From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Apr 20 16:31:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34373 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2007 23:29:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2007 23:29:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2007 23:29:15 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.202]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 166394749-1881964 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:27:24 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <006c01c783a3$ba382ca0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <4627F8FD.7090502@peoplepc.com> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:29:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 2, in=1, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.202 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Dangerous transmitters, was: Re: {AMSF} Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=33n9D-uQc6IMZmiNwdgDvhHzuT2eI5ffxTajAvWMCvuAdKPJKA1m X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I read on a broadcast engineering forum that Continental's smaller screen modulated rigs were more dangerous. And the Gates MW-50 had a 27kV power supply! Never opened the one I worked on at KSTP (now a standby rig to a newer 3DX-50) without grabbing that shorting stick. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" Honestly, I don't know any engineers that have been > fried to death working on a 317c, do you? From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Apr 20 17:26:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93648 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2007 00:21:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2007 00:21:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2007 00:21:30 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.105.220.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.105.220]) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Hf3KF-0002b7-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 20:19:40 -0400 Message-ID: <4628D92F.3050609@peoplepc.com> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:15:59 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=GALu94vRTDhh4FVA0D45svL27sok9QU6cVav7TL4u2Uospq7Js3vjlInwMzx_A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jotape1960 wrote: > I knew some "engineer" who got a good electric shock into a 100% solid state 250 watts TX: ME!!! And the device was "off"!!! (I took accidentally the pole of some drain cap and... it's so hurt!!!). Shoulda used a Jesus Stick! > I never heard about someone dead because a TX discharge. I think it's more easy a tower accident. Yes, I do know engineers that died doing tower work. > BUT I KNEW MORE THAN ONE AM STATION DEAD, FOR EVER!!! And I think all the AM band is doomed to the failure if there isn't a 180º format change soon. And I insist it isn't a technical issue: it's just a music format problem. I agree with you 100%! The few music format stations I know of on AM are doing quite well for themselves. Just look at CHWO, WVLG, or WNMB to see how a music station can not only survive, but THRIVE in today's market. Don't listen to the consultants from out of town, but keep the music format live and local. Full Service has always done well on AM and still can. Just use lots of LOCAL talent. NOBODY wants to listen to a computer jukebox all day...they have iPods for that...They want local info and entertainment. The old tried and true methods of promotion still work: give out tons of bumper stickers, T-Shirts, Hats, and keychains. You can almost always barter Pepsi or Coke to give away at remotes. Even if you are new and don't have a sponsor to do a remote at, do it at the park, just to get the station seen by more people. Have a prize van drive around and like if your station is on 1440 kHz, drive around and give $14.40 to the driver of every car with a bumper sticker if he knows the "Phrase that pays" or says on the air what station he switched FROM to yours. With a new station Arbitron numbers are not as important as getting attention, so go ahead and break the rules with "Write it down" promos and such. So what if you get banned from an Arbitron book? You don't have any numbers yet for it to matter! What you will do is get attention, and bad attention is better than no attention! So go ahead and call out the TV crews to cover the story of your station's logo plastered all over the mayor's house! Kevin From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Apr 20 17:52:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41743 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2007 00:42:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2007 00:42:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2007 00:42:55 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.105.220.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.105.220]) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Hf3gf-00000j-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 20:42:49 -0400 Message-ID: <46295E22.3080805@peoplepc.com> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 20:43:14 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4627F8FD.7090502@peoplepc.com> <006c01c783a3$ba382ca0$d503fea9@stodd> In-Reply-To: <006c01c783a3$ba382ca0$d503fea9@stodd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: Dangerous transmitters, was: Re: {AMSF} Re: AMAX CQUAM transmitter board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=3pAXpbMi7BlV_xEQogNiNmanOkIk8_G55ibC7hD1oFCHi2Jm56ppevwtxZxbig X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Scott Todd wrote: > And the Gates MW-50 had a 27kV power supply! Never opened the one I worked on at KSTP (now a standby rig to a newer 3DX-50) without grabbing that shorting stick. Yes, that is what that Jesus Stick is for! Possum From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Apr 21 23:27:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71323 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2007 06:27:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2007 06:27:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.166) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2007 06:27:07 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.110]) by bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 23:26:36 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 23:26:36 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 06:26:33 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 06:26:33 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Apr 2007 06:26:36.0932 (UTC) FILETIME=[2DFD2C40:01C784A7] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: One FCC commissioner's opinion of further Corporate Media Consolidation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=GLDFewTKWCWVB-cN_G9u_DnAMeSM5dLeh7YotdHA_QARx5yv_lZID76CM4E X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Anyone in or near Tampa on Monday the 30th of April should try to attend this rare public forum, most of the time the FCC doesn't bother to have public hearings, at least not in recent history. Donn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Airwaves belong to us all By MICHAEL J. COPPS Special to the Times Published April 20, 2007 Graduating from Northeast High School in St. Petersburg, I remember a city with a vibrant media: locally originated programs, hometown talent, and good coverage of public issues and political campaigns. On April 30, I will be coming back to the Tampa-St. Petersburg area, trying to measure how much of that vibrancy remains. I want to know whether the people of this great area believe that their media are serving them in the way they deserve. It's important to me because I serve as a commissioner at the Federal Communications Commission, and the FCC will soon be deciding whether to allow fewer media giants to buy up still more local broadcasters and other media outlets. All five members of the FCC will be in Tampa on Monday, April 30, at the Tampa Bay Performing Arts Center, beginning at 4 p.m. and extending into late evening, to hear whether you think this is a good idea. Please come tell us what you think. When it comes to the fate of the people's airwaves - your airwaves - no voices should be as important as yours. Three years ago, a majority at the FCC voted - over the strong objections of my colleague Jonathan Adelstein and me - to scrap many of the ownership limits. They did so without seeking the input of the American people. Those flawed rules would have allowed a single corporation to own in some markets up to three television stations, eight radio stations, the local newspaper (a monopoly in most towns), as well as the cable system and Internet service provider. Thankfully, that indefensible decision stirred up a hornet's nest of public outrage. Three-million citizens contacted the FCC to express their opposition. They wrote out of a strong belief that we desperately need rules to prevent one-size-fits-all news from becoming the acceptable standard in our communities and to replace those awful homogenized national playlists from completely displacing local musicians and other creative artists. Congress went on record with its concerns, too. And then a federal court found the rules both substantively and procedurally flawed and sent them back to us to rework. It was good news that citizen action actually checked those outrageous rules. But the threat persists. Last summer, the FCC launched a review that might severely scale back the few remaining media consolidation protections. These rules, among other things, limit a single corporation from dominating local TV and radio markets or from merging a community's TV stations, radio stations and newspapers. So a new dialogue is underway. But this time, it needs to be much more than an inside-the-Beltway discussion. Let's remember that American citizens, not TV and radio executives, own the airwaves. We give broadcasters the right to use these airwaves for free. They earn profits (usually very healthy profits) using this public resource in exchange for agreeing to broadcast in the public interest. We need to know whether the good folks of the town where I once lived feel they are being well-served by the media. Are they getting the diversity of viewpoint they want? Do news programs provide real insight into what's going on in minority communities, or do they present a misleading caricature of Latinos and African-Americans? Is news and entertainment on TV and radio designed to appeal to viewers of all ages, or are broadcasters gearing their programming exclusively to the supposed interests of the prized 18-to-34-year-old demographic? Even if the future of our media is not your No. 1 issue, it needs to be your No. 2 issue. That's because Americans get their input and develop their views about all the other critical issues of the day - the economy, jobs, peace and war, health care, education - from the media. They learn about them on TV news, hear about them on the radio and read about them in the newspaper. I can't think of any of these issues that wouldn't fare much better in an open, diverse, community-responsive and competitive media environment. Seventy years ago, Gertrude Stein returned to her hometown (Oakland, Calif.) to find that she could not locate her childhood home. She famously stated, "There is no there there." When our children look one day at the media system we have left them, and take up the reins of self-government, I hope they don't share Stein's chilling conclusion. So I urge you to attend the FCC hearing. We need your input and the input of as many of our fellow citizens as we can elicit. I believe we have the best chance in our generation to settle this issue of who will control our media and for what purposes, and to resolve it in favor of airwaves of, by, and for the people of this great country. But it will take a lot of us, working together, to make it happen. Michael J. Copps is a commissioner at the Federal Communications Commission. The FCC meeting will be at the Tampa Bay Performing Arts Center on April 30 beginning at 4 p.m and extending into late evening. © 2007 • All Rights Reserved • St. Petersburg Times 490 First Avenue South • St. Petersburg, FL 33701 • 727-893-8111 Contact the Times | Privacy Policy | Standard of Accuracy | Terms, Conditions & Copyright From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sun Apr 22 07:32:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 95325 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2007 14:31:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2007 14:31:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2007 14:31:40 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2007 14:30:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2007 14:30:31 -0000 Date: 22 Apr 2007 14:30:30 -0000 Message-ID: <1177252230.270612.83305.w116@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /6IXStereo.mp3 Uploaded by : tf3200ir Description : 30 second clip of Australian station 6IX from around 1990 You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/6IXStereo.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, tf3200ir From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Apr 22 17:59:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75453 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2007 00:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2007 00:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.134) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2007 00:59:20 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2007 00:56:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2007 00:56:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2007 00:56:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 00:56:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.239.226.128 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Marantz 701 security code X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=wRvkuzQgZFH-uAIzv18IsIPjex9BetoSG9pJ9eXkzz9vrPTcfg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The good news: Today I picked up a Marantz 701 AM Stereo car radio at=20 a car show swap meet... for free! It is by far the most advanced=20 aftermarket AM Stereo-capable car radio ever made, with features like=20 a choice of three AM bandwidths (Narrow, Medium, and Wide), a 7-band=20 graphic equalizer with on-screen display, and Dolby B NR, C NR, and=20 DBX noise reduction on the full-logic cassette player. The bad news: As the cassette door proclaims, it is "Security Coded." When I hook it up and turn it on, it beeps and says "ENTER CODE". I did get the original box with the radio, but none of the manuals,=20 and thus no code. Hopefully Marantz still has in their archives some=20 sort of database or cross-reference sheet where they can look up my=20 radio's serial number and give me the code for it. Thankfully they=20 are at least still in business! Here's the photo of a Marantz 701 that I had on hand: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/mar710.jpg The cassette door says "Marantz Security Coded dbx Dolby B-C NR Dual Equalizer AM-Stereo-FM 20 Watts x 4". From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Apr 24 15:27:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84868 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2007 22:27:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2007 22:27:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.231) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2007 22:27:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 61351 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Apr 2007 21:50:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rCD8wX4VM1kO3QuZ2.PZ7VM9nF8APjlmscB6Otn7xIoLm5Gg2vFs2anjIQ1Da5PL0tLdiD6FuttFEvRAb05L.Umkxo_DiFcpNKGkkWwVjbV2a7A9RH8iZ5sxYwOI Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:50:50 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:50:50 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <731633.61340.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Processing wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=2TEajo-xXCI5Rmr0kJZ0JIzHCeNLZnuIdfLw8tP-FZbXmQUKCMdw X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio What's a better sounding processor: the Orban 9400 or Omnia 3 or 5? Which Omnia has stereo or do they both? Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Apr 24 18:50:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22807 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2007 01:50:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2007 01:50:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2007 01:50:42 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.235.245.116.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.235.245.116]) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HgWat-0004Rk-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:46:56 -0400 Message-ID: <462EB32B.20603@peoplepc.com> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:47:23 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <731633.61340.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <731633.61340.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Processing wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=BJ-DL6JsYXK7kqLMB0bTpq-cyMzY4FUxedLicIQeNO2K1p0saEAmABZN2SlVHA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 JNR wrote: > What's a better sounding processor: the Orban > 9400 or Omnia 3 or 5? Which Omnia has stereo or > do they both? Do you want *LOUD* or Fidelity? Kevin From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Apr 24 19:33:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41685 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2007 02:33:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2007 02:33:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.244) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2007 02:33:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 34550 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Apr 2007 02:33:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XGmsxK0VM1m8BpO5Likulp8pmWIQW7p8amxWtJ5u Received: from [64.222.32.73] by web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:33:23 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:33:23 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <462EB32B.20603@peoplepc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <220022.34310.qm@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Processing wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=GvsY_Olaeu47YNDxBVFJELwfcWmdxfYQzh7kHkjbEPiZi-5u8sfJ X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Let's compare & contrast. I'd like fidelity personally. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Apr 24 22:12:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18729 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2007 05:12:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2007 05:12:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2007 05:12:51 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2007 05:15:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2007 05:12:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:12:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <731633.61340.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.30 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Processing wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=vteBBE899M3Z1mbrZRncGNzK-Vb07nESK-3VcyEfMOvv6HpF-g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > What's a better sounding processor: the Orban > 9400 or Omnia 3 or 5? Which Omnia has stereo or > do they both? >=20 > Jay >=20 I don't think we must to say: "that one is better because...". I=20 think we must to learn to use the devices BEFORE use it. Sometimes a=20 very great device could be transformed in a "piece of shit" due to a=20 bad setting procedure. But I insist with my original speech: the best radio processing is=20 almost not processing. ONLY the typical -3 dB peak limiting, ONLY=20 when it's absolutely necessary. Why? because the 99.99% of the=20 popular recorded music IS ALREADY PROCESSED in the master mixing, so=20 we don't need another processing (of course, if your source is an=20 old hiss tape, or a very clicked vinyl record you'll need another=20 kind of processing: the noise reduction, but you must to do it=20 BEFORE "to put it on the air"). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Apr 25 06:53:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67116 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2007 13:53:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2007 13:53:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2007 13:53:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 68085 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Apr 2007 13:50:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: SsloGocVM1mpjmvwn9LaqDEMiodSNRIVZ_dYlA_51HZMwi6ZBmoeKsnnJGHa43Q9pND_oxm2yEvTnhIECptkKJem5WfUgxti6OFTPLdtXlmudLiQa4wzdF6zSQ-- Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 06:50:02 PDT Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 06:50:02 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <367822.67098.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re:Processing wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=l5YrqK7MF5ZsXqcSbYl0Rj6esyZ4dSPKmpZ-tuEElBKfGebO3Mf9rqA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Orban 9100B for your CQuam station, BUT, I have not heard the 9400 on a stereo AM station YET. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Apr 25 08:29:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80805 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2007 15:26:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2007 15:26:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52207.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.130) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2007 15:26:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 18986 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Apr 2007 15:26:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4XXAx9EVM1mAyfMQZVPOVyC18mh5Nr6SrZpt3ENCnBCb_BhJFX6JOYHKULAsj4DnC5HgMc7LRWgNi6VJOKInoRSfL_.v4AI7kHQaZNsIQ_0Cgx2Ct8ADUPKq3d1zf6r4CDbD5wrjYrscXg-- Received: from [209.213.19.164] by web52207.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:26:20 PDT Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:26:20 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <462EB32B.20603@peoplepc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <847420.18807.qm@web52207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Processing wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=0Hel3fk9dTmHqyfOh2p5PKY3_gU9c-UAb_etgKtxAKM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > JNR wrote: > > What's a better sounding processor: the Orban > > 9400 or Omnia 3 or 5? Which Omnia has stereo or > > do they both? > Do you want *LOUD* or Fidelity? > Kevin YES Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Apr 25 08:38:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49759 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2007 15:35:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2007 15:35:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52212.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.135) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2007 15:35:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 89341 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Apr 2007 15:33:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: cdknWycVM1nV098UYXcT6eGjPrT7cCZ41hVYGQLz Received: from [209.213.19.164] by web52212.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:33:32 PDT Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:33:32 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <257148.88993.qm@web52212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Processing wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=jewpCCmmpcNxK2L1qIQk7ws6-ec2VjWm8dsp13IPd2s X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jotape1960 wrote: > > I don't think we must to say: "that one is better > because...". I > think we must to learn to use the devices BEFORE use > it. Sometimes a > very great device could be transformed in a "piece > of shit" due to a > bad setting procedure. That is absolutely true. > But I insist with my original speech: the best radio > processing is > almost not processing. ONLY the typical -3 dB peak > limiting, ONLY > when it's absolutely necessary. Why? because the > 99.99% of the > popular recorded music IS ALREADY PROCESSED in the > master mixing, so > we don't need another processing (of course, if your > source is an > old hiss tape, or a very clicked vinyl record you'll > need another > kind of processing: the noise reduction, but you > must to do it > BEFORE "to put it on the air"). > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Well the problem here is your audio will be very much all over the board....inonsistent. And on AM if you don't keep your average modulation up, you won't sound as lound and get out as well. As for tapes, tht's not a problem. IF they are so hissy to require work, it doesn't go on the air. Scratchy records do not get played. Powell From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Wed Apr 25 08:43:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75130 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2007 15:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2007 15:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s6.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.142) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2007 15:43:27 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.162.77]) by bay0-omc2-s6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:39:14 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:39:14 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 76.1.232.254 by BAY108-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:39:12 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: References: <847420.18807.qm@web52207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:39:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2007 15:39:14.0811 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0DD3CB0:01C7874F] Return-Path: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Processing wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=LCet0nNFJ68dvLNgKDUfybzVKoNuZiSoNiRJru9mS-Mr X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I use the following... Orban Reverb > CRL SPP-800 > CRL SEP-800 > CRL SMP-900 > Hamilton Rangemaster. I think this system offers the right amount of processing. Thank You, ----------------------------------------------- Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 11:26 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Processing wars --- Possum Hunter wrote: > JNR wrote: > > What's a better sounding processor: the Orban > > 9400 or Omnia 3 or 5? Which Omnia has stereo or > > do they both? > Do you want *LOUD* or Fidelity? > Kevin YES Powell Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Apr 25 14:15:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79069 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2007 21:15:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2007 21:15:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2007 21:15:34 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.218]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 167645742-1881964 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:14:39 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <007f01c7877f$0a415a80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <731633.61340.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:15:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 2, in=7, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.218 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Processing wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=uHXxTHUW_mehXxIx1Pw8prn09f55X99pccOyCaQfCyosA5qG0apu X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Both Omnia processors are stereo. The 5 has more processing horsepower. Have yet to hear a 9400, though if I go to Madison again this fall, likely I'll get a chance to A/B it with the CRL Amigo. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" > What's a better sounding processor: the Orban > 9400 or Omnia 3 or 5? Which Omnia has stereo or > do they both? From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Apr 25 18:04:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94738 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2007 01:04:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2007 01:04:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2007 01:04:28 -0000 Received: from fl-71-49-12-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net ([71.49.12.212] helo=[192.168.4.55]) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HgsPA-0005FH-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:04:16 -0400 Message-ID: <462F8681.50808@peoplepc.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:49:05 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <220022.34310.qm@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <220022.34310.qm@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Processing wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=rCQKg644Y1Nq3Z4SwgXlD5oaV0f20Q9tIzVa69JOlrfpjrAyHN47j5XwWyZUgw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 JNR wrote: > Let's compare & contrast. I'd like fidelity personally. For Fidelity, I like the Optimod. When it is set up right, it can really let the music shine while keeping the station loud enough to overcome Light to medium noise. When it comes to All-Out *LOUD*, nothing beats the old Optimod 9000 with the Disco mod. You have to turn the volume down on your radio when you tune into a station running one. Kevin From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Apr 25 18:08:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8381 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2007 01:08:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2007 01:08:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2007 01:08:03 -0000 Received: from fl-71-49-12-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net ([71.49.12.212] helo=[192.168.4.55]) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HgsP7-0005EX-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:04:13 -0400 Message-ID: <462F826F.5060900@peoplepc.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:31:43 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Processing wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=xRCN9b3YYf0k0lYl5yW_eZ0J8lUAWlYNN9gQQqth4N6OAcYUa2QaDZFhfO-q4g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jotape1960 wrote: > I don't think we must to say: "that one is better because...". I > think we must to learn to use the devices BEFORE use it. Sometimes a > very great device could be transformed in a "piece of shit" due to a > bad setting procedure. > You are absolutely right. Also, the Optimod can be set so loud it will blister the hair out of your ears, or can be set to really sound good even on Classical music. You can also set it up so it sounds horrible. A properly set up Optimod is hard to beat. I have not played with the Omnia enough to have an opinion, but the one on WLW sounds nice. > But I insist with my original speech: the best radio processing is almost not processing. ONLY the typical -3 dB peak limiting, ONLY when it's absolutely necessary. I think you would like the CBS Audimax and Volumax set of boxes. Just nice slow AGC riding the gain and peak clipping so you don't over-modulate. I like 'em a little louder out here in the "real world". I want the station to be heard over Lighting Crashes, Power Line Noise, and QRM from other stations. I set up processing to be just a little bit louder and brighter than the other stations, and the Stereo to be just a little bit Wider than the other stations. These also means MORE processing is needed for a 1000 Watt Local then you would need on a 50 KW Clear...and Both need more processing at night than in the day. > Why? because the 99.99% of the popular recorded music IS ALREADY PROCESSED in the master mixing, so we don't need another processing Over-processing new music is a problem because it "fights" the On-Air processing. But you have a problem: That CD is processed to sound loudest when played on a cheap CD hooked to a BIG boom-box in a car, NOT for ideal sound on the air! I do wish the record companies would release unprocessed CDs for broadcast and put the "Ear Burners" in Walmart. > (of course, if your source is an old hiss tape, or a very clicked vinyl record you'll need another kind of processing: PLEASE clean that crap up with Cool Edit or something before you put it on the air. Kevin From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Apr 25 18:17:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40228 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2007 01:17:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2007 01:17:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flpvm23.prodigy.net) (207.115.20.53) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2007 01:17:47 -0000 X-ORBL: [68.251.150.83] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-251-150-83.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.251.150.83]) by flpvm23.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with SMTP id l3Q1Hiwg003291 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:17:45 -0700 Message-ID: <001d01c787a0$b1cc93c0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <257148.88993.qm@web52212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:17:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000736-0, 04/25/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.20.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Processing wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=JgY05QuTECygPEwiYwbM58u1AaBsjr86uv-GZfK1KiUx1-A X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Powell wrote: > Well the problem here is your audio will be very much > all over the board....inonsistent. And on AM if you > don't keep your average modulation up, you won't sound > as lound and get out as well. As for tapes, tht's not > a problem. IF they are so hissy to require work, it > doesn't go on the air. Scratchy records do not get > played. Processing is necessary on FM as well, al;though not quite as important as AM, which depends on 100% modulation for signal coverage. Bob Orban took great pride in his processing equipment, but he always included a warning about over processing and listener fatigue. Most contemporary stations ignore that plea. Our station group probably has more processing than many of the "audio purists" here would like. The problem is, 80% of radio listening is done at work or in the car. Both are highly noisy environments. If processing we minimal, the person controlling the radio would have a full time job adjusting the gain so the music could be heard. I realize that many of today's rock and country music is produced with audio squished before it's ever seen an Optimod, but to fight road noise and office noise and still be heard, you must have automatic gain control, with audio as dense as possible (and loud as possible) just to be heard. If researched proved that station with a lot of compression suffered in the ratings due to over processing, it would end. But if you look at the market leaders, I'd venture to say that a good percentage of them have modulation monitor needles that barely move. Not to mention that the stations with the least processing are the non-coms, mostly playing classical, gospel or some form of talk. In my ever so humble opinion, these stations have the worst airchains in the market and it is tiring to constantly have to adjust the gain on the receiver. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Apr 25 18:57:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87081 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2007 01:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2007 01:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2007 01:57:26 -0000 Received: from fl-71-49-12-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net ([71.49.12.212] helo=[192.168.4.55]) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HgtED-0007Qm-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:57:01 -0400 Message-ID: <4630070B.4020508@peoplepc.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:57:31 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <847420.18807.qm@web52207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Processing wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=9dwULroggPkWRRHRjGEaF8LbOkZFVNc96KFe-Qr4-xSLjH7si6XuJfCs5xqQRQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis wrote: > I use the following... > > Orban Reverb > CRL SPP-800 > CRL SEP-800 > CRL SMP-900 > Hamilton > Rangemaster. I think this system offers the right amount of processing. I have a Kahn Good N Loud on one Part 15 and a DAP 310 driving a BL-40 on the other. Both sound pretty damn good. Kevin From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Apr 25 23:58:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24623 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2007 06:58:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2007 06:58:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.207) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2007 06:58:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2007 06:57:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2007 06:57:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 06:57:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001d01c787a0$b1cc93c0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.47 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Processing wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=WBRv-INHRjeJJK6qS30ycgC0OqEiS_dyJRCAAXU3PNIDa8VP6g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > > Powell wrote: > > Well the problem here is your audio will be very much > > all over the board....inonsistent. And on AM if you > > don't keep your average modulation up, you won't sound > > as lound and get out as well. As for tapes, tht's not > > a problem. IF they are so hissy to require work, it > > doesn't go on the air. Scratchy records do not get > > played. >=20 > Processing is necessary on FM as well, al;though not quite as=20 important as=20 > AM, which depends on 100% modulation for signal coverage. > Bob Orban took great pride in his processing equipment, but he=20 always=20 > included a warning about over processing and listener fatigue. > Most contemporary stations ignore that plea. Our station group=20 probably has=20 > more processing than many of the "audio purists" here would like. > The problem is, 80% of radio listening is done at work or in the=20 car. > Both are highly noisy environments. > If processing we minimal, the person controlling the radio would=20 have a full=20 > time job adjusting the gain so the music could be heard. > I realize that many of today's rock and country music is produced=20 with audio=20 > squished before it's ever seen an Optimod, but to fight road noise=20 and=20 > office noise and still be heard, you must have automatic gain=20 control, with=20 > audio as dense as possible (and loud as possible) just to be heard. > If researched proved that station with a lot of compression=20 suffered in the=20 > ratings due to over processing, it would end. But if you look at=20 the market=20 > leaders, I'd venture to say that a good percentage of them have=20 modulation=20 > monitor needles that barely move. > Not to mention that the stations with the least processing are the=20 non-coms,=20 > mostly playing classical, gospel or some form of talk. > In my ever so humble opinion, these stations have the worst=20 airchains in the=20 > market and it is tiring to constantly have to adjust the gain on=20 the=20 > receiver. > I understand your point and I've heard the problem ev'ry day with my=20 own ears: I only listen radio when I go into my car. But I've always thought that kind of processing must to be INTO the=20 receivers (and with listener's full control). Something like the=20 old "LOUDNESS" control of some amplifiers. The TX must to give THE BETTER AUDIBLE SIGNAL, not the more over- processing signal. Here, in my beautiful country, in a very beautiful city, around 300=20 kms (187 miles) away from me, there is an FM station which have two=20 hours per day of beautiful classical music (I mean: Bach, Haendel,=20 Beethoven, etc.). I have to go frecuently to that place due to my=20 music job because I'm a music teacher too, and, of course, I love=20 that kind of music. That music have an essencial characteristic: the=20 great dBs difference between the "fortissimo" (the orchestral tutti)=20 and the "pianissimo" (the very quite passages). I think that=20 difference is normally around 30 dBs in the original material and,=20 at least, 15 dBs in a "tolerable" processed chain. BUT, that station=20 use the typical over-dense multiband processing (I guess it could be=20 some Orban device), the same kind of processing normally used in=20 hard rock!!! So, the result is... INTOLERABLE. When you reach the=20 orchestral tutti, you get a very hard clipped audio; and when you=20 reach the pianissimo passages, you get a very noisy background=20 audio!!! It's the worst!!! And I wonder: Why do they use that kind=20 of processing? They have a 10 kWs TX, a very clean geographic area=20 and a non saturated FM dial zone. So. I don't understand it. I've heard a lot of AM stations with that problem but, I understand,=20 it would be "on purpose" due to the AM band background noise battle. So, I think the man (in that case the audio engineer) is more=20 important than the machine and when the man use the machine in a=20 wrong way... "IS A LOT OF SHIT" hahahahaha!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Apr 26 07:56:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25226 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2007 14:55:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2007 14:55:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52201.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.124) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2007 14:55:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 34953 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Apr 2007 14:54:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ETbEKL8VM1l3f4EEQMKJonvjr9LUu_K30FIYV34GViqKquX8J.9d6G8ieXinjLxxiPPzL49k3mMql_X_avOoW1d6ve3L6CidaBaBwEGmi2EZe71cDSaLY2T5yMCwHP14P.rKwKXAxeji_jk- Received: from [209.213.19.144] by web52201.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 07:54:03 PDT Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 07:54:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <820740.34340.qm@web52201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.124 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Processing wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=UayxuxNXXmJn-zeUMlW1REeBd2yg10DMcPzZMkjuNrs X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jotape1960 wrote: > I understand your point and I've heard the problem > ev'ry day with my > own ears: I only listen radio when I go into my car. Aha. What kind of car do you have there? > But I've always thought that kind of processing must > to be INTO the > receivers (and with listener's full control). > Something like the > old "LOUDNESS" control of some amplifiers. Won't work, especially on AM. The loudnesss switch just boosted bass and treble supposedly at low volume levels. > The TX must to give THE BETTER AUDIBLE SIGNAL, not > the more over- processing signal. As we've been saying and I don't think you've heard what we said or don't understand it....on AM if you don't process fairly hard you WILL N O T have the better audible signal. It's not as bad for FM, but if you aren't as loud as most other stations, you'll likely be turned out. You really can't put all of the limiting or most in a radio. It makes it too complex, and doesn't work well. Also the average person would have no knowledge of how to operate it, much less want to. And when the digital limiter box costs $5,000 to $10,000 what do you think will go in a radio as to not increase the cost ??? Not much. > Here, in my beautiful country, in a very beautiful > city, around 300 > kms (187 miles) away from me, there is an FM station > which have two > hours per day of beautiful classical music (I mean: > Bach, Haendel, > Beethoven, etc.). I have to go frecuently to that > place due to my > music job because I'm a music teacher too, and, of > course, I love > that kind of music. That music have an essencial > characteristic: the > great dBs difference between the "fortissimo" (the > orchestral tutti) > and the "pianissimo" (the very quite passages). I > think that > difference is normally around 30 dBs in the original > material and, > at least, 15 dBs in a "tolerable" processed chain. > BUT, that station > use the typical over-dense multiband processing (I > guess it could be > some Orban device), the same kind of processing > normally used in > hard rock!!! So, the result is... INTOLERABLE. When > you reach the > orchestral tutti, you get a very hard clipped audio; > and when you > reach the pianissimo passages, you get a very noisy > background > audio!!! It's the worst!!! And I wonder: Why do they > use that kind > of processing? They have a 10 kWs TX, a very clean > geographic area > and a non saturated FM dial zone. So. I don't > understand it. It wasn't the fault of the processor. That's the way it was set up. Now if they only play classical for 2 hours a day, what are they playing the rest of the time? On the modern digital processors, they could have it set up to switch to a classical music set up for those 2 hours. > I've heard a lot of AM stations with that problem > but, I understand, > it would be "on purpose" due to the AM band > background noise battle. > > So, I think the man (in that case the audio > engineer) is more > important than the machine and when the man use the > machine in a > wrong way... "IS A LOT OF SHIT" hahahahaha!!! Radio stations do not have an "audio engineer". The maladjusted ones are often adjusted by a GM or PD that has not a clue as to what they are doing, and with any limiter, especially a powerful one with DSP, it gives them more power to make BIG shit! Powell ....in the woods near Silverstreet, SC with the rabbits , deer, coyote, skunks and fire ants. Powell From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Apr 26 12:43:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25935 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2007 19:42:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2007 19:42:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.225) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2007 19:42:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 74362 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Apr 2007 19:35:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lcKzY94VM1kTSloiiI36zEix1o9kLz1fjd0WCP6o.uBNsjhYOmwj.bSifDGItGA19f_tbqaqNDra8CpiGTUAEhB_Sx66M_UVbHRFTqTpk00EiFV5QS3kSGSSReDNNw-- Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:35:49 PDT Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:35:49 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <820740.34340.qm@web52201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <834443.74219.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Processing wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=1jOCJsq1qGRpvl-bBCYxCxAPCjdwEVpTowHvbhQFHhNw_7ruja1H X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I admit that I would not know how to make an audio processor sound good (maybe I should practice on the Orban 8000 & 10W FM exciter that was donated to me. The exciter, of course, goes into a dummy load) but I have heard great-sounding A.M.s. WRCA when it was stereo comes to mind. I think it has that deplorable 9200 box right now. Now Orban's released a 9300 which is mono. Greeeeeat. More frickin' lazy & cheap A.M. stations will buy that P.O.S box instead. WHY did Orban release it? WHY? They should just limit it to shortwave & countries that don't allow A.M. stereo broadcasting. By the way, does anyone know if stereo was ever tried on longwave? Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Apr 26 13:07:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48960 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2007 20:07:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2007 20:07:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.228) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2007 20:07:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 67609 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Apr 2007 20:07:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2bGz4eEVM1ld24kHheh4DGJy28yJTOoTLJ6g450tsvzZGzRedMA5VdVsIaUG8aLuC15CvziWUcqHmSQIdc4.lpYDM3v62cHsX5gRuEFfwc6dkeDnqJdly3SV2gSbrg-- Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 13:07:07 PDT Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 13:07:07 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <834443.74219.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <462302.67052.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Processing wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=RA3djBKJphVmRWATXZSVc4eer_BW9CePAltBeq6t1aZCvfEin9I6 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio In my last post I said that lazy A.M.s will use the 9300 box instead. What "instead" was referring to was instead of the 9400. By the way, I'm reading the brochure for the Omnia 5. It says it can be REALLY loud. Does that mean it can be both loud AND sound good? On the opposite side of the spectrum, the consistently worst-sounding stations are gospel stations. When I lived in St. Aug., Fl., the worst sounding stations were WSVE (now S.K.), WCGL & WZAZ. They were ALL overmodulated. I guess the myth that the more you turn your gain up the farther the A.M. station goes is still a valid one to them. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Apr 26 13:35:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66917 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2007 20:35:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2007 20:35:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52205.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.128) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2007 20:35:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 58925 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Apr 2007 20:34:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: CsS44sEVM1k1e3nJys7xElmV7ov1rSfHF3IFqfD.nsesZSxZt2zfYNc1UDB_4XiDTzVqJBcIYw-- Received: from [209.213.19.198] by web52205.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 13:34:53 PDT Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 13:34:53 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <834443.74219.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <890.54808.qm@web52205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Processing wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=RoS6DbkZfo9HTsW-1ApJ0V3zVKb5uM2OK0czH9GNJw0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- JNR wrote: > I admit that I would not know how to make an > audio processor sound good (maybe I should > practice on the Orban 8000 & 10W FM exciter that > was donated to me. You won't learn modern processing with that. > The exciter, of course, goes > into a dummy load) but I have heard > great-sounding A.M.s. WRCA when it was stereo > comes to mind. I think it has that deplorable > 9200 box right now. What''s deplorable about it. IF you know what you are doing it can sound really good. > Now Orban's released a 9300 > which is mono. Greeeeeat. More frickin' lazy & > cheap A.M. stations will buy that P.O.S box > instead. WHY did Orban release it? WHY? They > should just limit it to shortwave & countries > that don't allow A.M. stereo broadcasting. By > the way, does anyone know if stereo was ever > tried on longwave? World to Jay......a lot of stations aren't gpong to be stereo. If you want to be stereo and IBOC there's trhe 9400. But if I had a NT station and [had to] go IBOC I still would hold off on stereo until the end of analog. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Apr 26 13:53:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88713 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2007 20:53:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2007 20:53:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52202.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.125) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2007 20:53:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 91045 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Apr 2007 20:52:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: M4rDn8wVM1k6Z8ciW9Cxi9DWQ_HUkxeJl87MTteSv_EuShvDH5dvtkzwdiV_UsYulMgvr7Hheg-- Received: from [209.213.19.198] by web52202.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 13:52:25 PDT Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 13:52:25 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <462302.67052.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <63282.90835.qm@web52202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.125 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Processing wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=bFTx9jC0YQH6GUnvfHWFmRyRPdVzRHM_IpQPd7-E5Ag X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- JNR wrote: > In my last post I said that lazy A.M.s will use > the 9300 box instead. What "instead" was > referring to was instead of the 9400. By the > way, I'm reading the brochure for the Omnia 5. > It says it can be REALLY loud. Does that mean it > can be both loud AND sound good? Maybe they couldn't justsify the extra cost. I've never heard or played with an Omnia. > On the opposite side of the spectrum, the > consistently worst-sounding stations are gospel > stations. When I lived in St. Aug., Fl., the > worst sounding stations were WSVE (now S.K.), > WCGL & WZAZ. They were ALL overmodulated. I > guess the myth that the more you turn your gain > up the farther the A.M. station goes is still a > valid one to them. It's the dumb and unknowledgeable that do this, and often the station is poorly maintained. Powell From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Apr 26 14:34:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2888 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2007 21:34:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2007 21:34:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.22) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2007 21:34:09 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2007 21:33:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2007 21:33:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:33:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <834443.74219.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.30.49 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: International AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=q189DLT6JeQ1dgLO5OHpTn96iIfSCeYM7_fe9ssXTYD07_65 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > They > should just limit it to shortwave & countries > that don't allow A.M. stereo broadcasting.=20 The only country I know of that has specificly disallowed analogue AM stereo of any kind is the UK. Most other places don't care, as long as it doesn't cause any interference. > By > the way, does anyone know if stereo was ever > tried on longwave? Considering the bulk of longwave broadcasting is in Europe, Russian Asia and North Africa, I'd say no. I'm not sure if it's been tried at all in the Part-15 LW Window at 160-170kHz by any experimenters, though, unlike shortwave, where there have been at least one commercial broadcaster and one Part-15 experimenter I know of who has done so. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Apr 26 14:48:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42173 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2007 21:48:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2007 21:48:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.121) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2007 21:48:28 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2007 21:47:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2007 21:47:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2007 21:47:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:47:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <820740.34340.qm@web52201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.121 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.26 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Processing wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=ao8mEWWzl28ysCy4ZRvl_f4nMDmtJ-NVc0RgZYoFspO8MhYf1Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > > Thanks to your words, Powell!!! I understand the target of the "modern" digital processing device is=20 to be something like an "automatic graphic equalizer", all the time,=20 then you'd get an always "punched bass", "clear and crisp trebles"=20 and "consistent medium range" audio. I understand we need that kind=20 of audio processing in AM due to the noisy enviroment, In facts, we=20 use one Inovonics 235 (3-bands analog mono audio processor), cheap=20 and efficient, in our AM station here, and I HATE IT!!! hahahahaha!!! I suffer ev'ry day when I listen my station and I hear all that=20 artificial sound, even when the speaker talks (despite the horrible=20 fact when he breathes and all the background noise "reach the=20 stars"). However, our listeners love that sounds, hahahaha!!! Maybe it's just my age and my ears are so tired. Or Maybe it's just the same as that old battle field of that old=20 controversy: "What is High Fidelity?" Is High Fidelity a "glass breaker" bass speaker with the 1812=20 Oberture canyons? Or Is High Fidelity a "plastic" artificial=20 overmodulated trebles? I think, and it's just my humble opinion, High Fidelity is REPRESENT=20 the reality the nearest as we can do it. And there are moments when=20 there aren't "punched bass", and it sounds great!!! There are=20 moments without trebles, and it sounds great, too!!! Well, I insist, maybe it's my old age and so tired ears... The crazy=20 opinion from a crazy man. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Apr 26 14:52:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51906 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2007 21:52:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2007 21:52:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.244) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2007 21:52:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 49818 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Apr 2007 21:50:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: SxIS7fMVM1nZXXE3QhciWpHANC2PU6eXfS7Bc9kga4Ug_o0Eyivapgj8Z21ip0DDYloHgFEzYXZ3YVckpgU3DUDkmWxQrI5OOXNv90HwsWCgcyQ0thyXQxJKz.ZtLxKp7YAZwrp6RtQm.hS.ESofkoQr Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:50:31 PDT Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:50:31 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <890.54808.qm@web52205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <899663.48505.qm@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Processing wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=La9RMGDO4Yuyz3_RQ9hcMtUC_OD4fH7XNGgX-EbJn9gaSMj-YRo5 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio From what I've heard about the 9200 from the owner of a station up here it couldn't give him the loudness & headroom that he wanted. He went back to his old processor (this is a little tricky: he bought the station, sold it but still worked there & then bought it back). Now, from my personal experience with the 9200 @ WPEP, I thought it sounded lifeless. Of course, I was too worried about our lousy signal to begin with that the audio wasn't first & foremost. It wasn't distorted and it needed what it needed to do. It just wasn't what I would have wanted. Plus there is the mono thing. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Apr 26 21:41:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3142 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2007 04:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2007 04:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2007 04:41:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2007 04:37:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2007 04:37:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 04:37:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.126 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Processing wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=daeInTffrxtGvv5KytlqJjn_afMuRJHBSw0jvoH41O9DaCBdHA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Of course, I have to add that I am only an employee and I follow my=20 boss directions about the audio processing AND I don't have any power=20 to change the music format (popular spanish music, including reggaeton) of "my" station. I tested the Inovonics 235 when that device "arrived" to our station=20 years ago and I get a very pure and clear sound because it has 8 pre- programmed levels to the audio density and peak limiting, so the "1"=20 is almost invisible (my loved sound) and the "8" is the max=20 processing. Today we work with the level "7", because my boss and most=20 of listeners preference, AND I HATE THAT SOUND!!! Sorry, the fidelity isn't a commercial issue. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Apr 26 21:51:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2584 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2007 04:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2007 04:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.60) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2007 04:50:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2007 04:50:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2007 04:50:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 04:50:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.126 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: International AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=izbjCOGKvrThio56k_GF7ryQfX6K083rMdv9Fd5iOixWFd8_Uw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: >=20 > > They > > should just limit it to shortwave & countries > > that don't allow A.M. stereo broadcasting.=20 >=20 > The only country I know of that has specificly disallowed analogue=20 AM > stereo of any kind is the UK. Most other places don't care, as=20 long as > it doesn't cause any interference. >=20 > > By > > the way, does anyone know if stereo was ever > > tried on longwave? >=20 > Considering the bulk of longwave broadcasting is in Europe, Russian > Asia and North Africa, I'd say no. I'm not sure if it's been tried=20 at > all in the Part-15 LW Window at 160-170kHz by any experimenters, > though, unlike shortwave, where there have been at least one > commercial broadcaster and one Part-15 experimenter I know of who=20 has > done so. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Hi Amy!!! Please, light my ignorance: Was/Is there a permanent USA ShortWave=20 services with AM Stereo (C-QUAM)? Was the Kahn-ISB system tested in=20 SW? I remember I heard the old "VOA" (Voice Of America) in SW years ago,=20 ev'ry evening and almost ev'ry night, unfortunately not today (they=20 had a very good jazz music at least one day a week). Even more, we had an interchange agreement in the 1970 decade to re- broadcast some of their programs. Of course, they sent that program=20 to us in that old great Ampex Reel-To-Reel tapes, with a very, very,=20 very good sound. Maybe all old time was better? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Apr 27 01:31:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87170 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2007 08:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2007 08:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2007 08:30:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2007 08:31:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2007 08:28:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:28:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.30.49 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: International AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=qvHajke-J50jfr1ZeJIJ6x8rlFKmb2L2Vd2Y7lNyx90dXQ9Y X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > Hi Amy!!! >=20 > Please, light my ignorance: Was/Is there a permanent USA ShortWave=20 > services with AM Stereo (C-QUAM)? Was the Kahn-ISB system tested in=20 > SW? There was, although the info I have is very little to go on. From what I know, KUSW of Salt Lake City, Utah did experiment with C-QUAM before being bought out by religious broadcaster Trinity Broadcasting Network (now run as WTBN, I think), but this would've occured before 1990. As far as I know, only the founder/moderator of this forum has experimented in broadcasting a Part-15 Kahn ISB shortwave signal. The only other broadcaster, as far as I know, to have ever considered testing stereophonic shortwave broadcasting, is Radio Netherlands. I know they considered it, but I'm unsure if they ever actually tested it. =20 > I remember I heard the old "VOA" (Voice Of America) in SW years ago,=20 > ev'ry evening and almost ev'ry night, unfortunately not today (they=20 > had a very good jazz music at least one day a week). The VOA used to send its feeds via suppressed-carrier ISB, with different programming on the uppewr and lower sidebands on shortwave- I've heard it, but it was years ago. Additionally, Canadian time signal station CHU uses a PowerSide-like signal-- Specificly exalted-carrier upper-sideband-- to broadcast its signal. If received in Kahn ISB mode, the time-signal audio and announcements would be in the right audio channel. Shortwave broadcast station WBCQ does something similar. These are the only examples I know of. There was supposed to be a shortwave broadcaster in the early 1990s that promoted that they'd be broadcasting in ISB stereo, but sadly, the project never got off the ground, so the world never got a chance to receive NDXE, stereo or not. Today, all stereo shortwave broadcasts are done in DRM, most notably by Germany's Deutsche Welle. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Apr 27 15:48:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85112 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2007 22:48:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2007 22:48:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2007 22:48:33 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.106.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.106]) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HhZEn-00069W-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:48:25 -0400 Message-ID: <463240D1.4070809@peoplepc.com> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:28:33 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: International AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=bTkLwthA2o9EbMf-5ekiREn-u8MwOYzF7yGE23Fv1D57B848rP_WO5s0LGPyfg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jotape1960 wrote: > Was/Is there a permanent USA ShortWave services with AM Stereo (C-QUAM)? Long gone KUSW did, but not after switching to KTBN > Was the Kahn-ISB system tested in SW? > Pirate Radio Station "The Dance" claimed to be in ISB, but was in AM or LSB mode every time I heard it. I also heard "The Dance" Simulcasting Longwave station "Atlantic 252" which was Mono. Possum From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Apr 27 15:52:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19838 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2007 22:51:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2007 22:51:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2007 22:51:12 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.106.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.106]) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HhZEl-000699-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:48:23 -0400 Message-ID: <46323F6A.6020906@peoplepc.com> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:22:34 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} International AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=1z5goJQbpLSWVUo77pw3ZRmMy8iVvHmyl4BrJ6iOgWYiGC45G-fs9zbqf2CkYg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 JNR wrote: >> does anyone know if stereo was evertried on longwave? >> YES! well, on my part 15 rig anyway :-) Possum From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Apr 27 18:37:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61163 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2007 01:35:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2007 01:35:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.125) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2007 01:35:28 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2007 01:35:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2007 01:35:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2007 01:35:04 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 01:35:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <46323F6A.6020906@peoplepc.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.125 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.30.49 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} International AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=yiXx-nAIXxxETJAN_FG7RkNj5Ad3k0D6Hp9LUElBOtN35XJV X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter wrote: > > JNR wrote: > >> does anyone know if stereo was evertried on longwave? > >>=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > YES! well, on my part 15 rig anyway :-) I would've loved to have heard it, or at least an aircheck sample. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (And yes, the AMS Archive has always welcomed Part-15 AMS airchecks, regardless of band used. :) ) From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Apr 28 07:39:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17241 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2007 14:39:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2007 14:39:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2007 14:39:52 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.104.155.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.104.155]) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Hhnrh-0006Is-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 10:25:33 -0400 Message-ID: <4633551B.5080507@peoplepc.com> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 10:07:23 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} International AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=UV-pqzGwC97bAZvr3w04jpSJQUc0C4rYaVjTxgSqjxvMu47Y1pRVVINcyPFQYQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Amy Mousie wrote: > I would've loved to have heard it, or at least an aircheck sample. :) Tune in 169 kHz. It has morse code "P-O-S-S-U-M" in the left channel and computer voice time and temp in the right channel. Possum From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sat Apr 28 14:05:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24856 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2007 21:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2007 21:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vms046pub.verizon.net) (206.46.252.46) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2007 21:05:48 -0000 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([71.101.18.211]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JH800CVR7W2L524@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 16:04:52 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:04:57 -0400 To: Message-id: <001f01c789d8$e0f74070$7201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: X-Originating-IP: 206.46.252.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: FCC Meeting in Tampa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=tRoE-PRvFAuutltca75Eg-LHi_zQli_ThBH4-QMiTnTLLA X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Below are two links pertaining to the upcoming FCC meeting in Tampa on Monday. The first link shows one commisioner's thinking on media consolidation and other issues. The second link is a general article pertaining to the meeting. Dick W. http://www.tbo.com/news/money/MGB8KOEC11F.html http://www.tbo.com/news/money/MGBNHREC11F.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Apr 28 18:32:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15392 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2007 01:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2007 01:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2007 01:32:20 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.222]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 171604565-1881964 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:31:27 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <006b01c789fe$6d63bd20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:33:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 4, in=7, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.222 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} International AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=XOprEOfhEMeCPmqzweIWYBNWfFUKBYseKmZw8jgWLyy25tYwl87W X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Offhand I'd say the short, part-15 longwave band antennas would be too narrowbanded to pass a stereo signal. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > > By > > the way, does anyone know if stereo was ever > > tried on longwave? > > Considering the bulk of longwave broadcasting is in Europe, Russian > Asia and North Africa, I'd say no. I'm not sure if it's been tried at > all in the Part-15 LW Window at 160-170kHz by any experimenters, From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Apr 30 13:01:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26449 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2007 20:01:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2007 20:01:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.108) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2007 20:01:42 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n11.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2007 20:01:06 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2007 20:01:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2007 20:01:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:01:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.108 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.45 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: International AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=J7iHgIjq9ZIt-oELS6z0s6aUJT8D_bqEmWPXmm3UD6yxmwgsEA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: >=20 > > Hi Amy!!! > >=20 > > Please, light my ignorance: Was/Is there a permanent USA=20 ShortWave=20 > > services with AM Stereo (C-QUAM)? Was the Kahn-ISB system tested=20 in=20 > > SW? >=20 > There was, although the info I have is very little to go on. >=20 > From what I know, KUSW of Salt Lake City, Utah did experiment with > C-QUAM before being bought out by religious broadcaster Trinity > Broadcasting Network (now run as WTBN, I think), but this would've > occured before 1990. >=20 > As far as I know, only the founder/moderator of this forum has > experimented in broadcasting a Part-15 Kahn ISB shortwave signal. >=20 > The only other broadcaster, as far as I know, to have ever=20 considered > testing stereophonic shortwave broadcasting, is Radio Netherlands.=20 I > know they considered it, but I'm unsure if they ever actually=20 tested it. >=20=20 > > I remember I heard the old "VOA" (Voice Of America) in SW years=20 ago,=20 > > ev'ry evening and almost ev'ry night, unfortunately not today=20 (they=20 > > had a very good jazz music at least one day a week). >=20 > The VOA used to send its feeds via suppressed-carrier ISB, with > different programming on the uppewr and lower sidebands on=20 shortwave- > I've heard it, but it was years ago. >=20 > Additionally, Canadian time signal station CHU uses a PowerSide- like > signal-- Specificly exalted-carrier upper-sideband-- to broadcast=20 its > signal. If received in Kahn ISB mode, the time-signal audio and > announcements would be in the right audio channel. Shortwave=20 broadcast > station WBCQ does something similar. These are the only examples I > know of. >=20 > There was supposed to be a shortwave broadcaster in the early 1990s > that promoted that they'd be broadcasting in ISB stereo, but sadly, > the project never got off the ground, so the world never got a=20 chance > to receive NDXE, stereo or not. >=20 > Today, all stereo shortwave broadcasts are done in DRM, most=20 notably > by Germany's Deutsche Welle. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Thank you so much Amy!!! You're a "lighthouse in the darkness" for me. Unfortunately, I tried to hear some signal in all SW bands I have=20 now (I got a "second hand" ICOM all-mode all HF-VHF bands receiver,=20 incredibly/amazingly with AM Stereo, C-QUAM and ISB!!!) last weekend=20 and, with one rare exception, some european signal (I guess from=20 Germany), I couldn't hear any audible stereo signal from nowhere.=20 But the exception was an "exception" because I saw the stereo light=20 but I didn't hear any real stereo information. I couldn't get=20 any "different" side bands station and I couldn't get any USA=20 spanish SW service. Well, you know in the MW band I don't have any=20 stereo station near and I don't have got one from nowhere last days.=20 Curiously, this tuner device has AM stereo but with a very narrow=20 audio band (because it's intended to the radio ham market). But I'm still trying to convince my boss to change our TX, this=20 year. If I get it, we'll be an AM Stereo station. It's a promise.=20 Unfortunately, I don't think I'll get to convince him to change the=20 music format and/or the kind of audio processing because he is=20 some... you know, some stubborn, (is a boss) hahahahaha!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From dwtpa97@verizon.net Tue May 01 03:25:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47925 invoked from network); 1 May 2007 10:25:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2007 10:25:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vms042pub.verizon.net) (206.46.252.42) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2007 10:25:33 -0000 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([71.101.29.246]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JHC003C5VBWC7D1@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 01 May 2007 04:21:33 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 05:21:43 -0400 To: Message-id: <001101c78bd2$22492340$7201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: X-Originating-IP: 206.46.252.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: FCC MEETING IN TAMPA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=09Z4DswtY8_lQxESxh3hsrjv8vPh7JauV01lFFdbaujkAw X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Following is a report of the FCC Meeting in Tampa, submitted by Bob Foxworth on a different list: (Dick W.) Hi all, I went to the FCC public hearing in Tampa today, and here is a brief synopsis. It was at the Ferguson Hall at TBPAC*, and I'd estimate the crowd around 400 during the peak hours around 5 PM, which filled the room about halfway. All 5 commissioner sat at one table and there was a panel of 12 invited guests. The commissioners took turns with an opening statement, of which Copps (a St Pete native) was by far the friendliest to the audience, which was overwhelmingly in favor of media diversity. After all 5 spoke, the panelists had 5 minutes each, then audience members, who were pre- signed up earlier (at a table at the entrance) had 2 minutes each. After about 45 of them spoke. there was a break from 7.30 to 8pm, and then a second panel met, and the process was repeated, with a projected end time of 11 PM. So, as I write this from the comfort of home, they still have a half hour to go. When I left, 9.30-ish, the audience had dropped by about half. Best news was that the parking booth closed by 9.30 and no one collected our stubs so I (and all else were still there) parked for free. I frankly was ready to go home when the 2nd panel was underway. One fellow from Immokalee, involved with a LPFM there spoke in Spanish. I could actually understand almost all of it! Five or so spoke in sequence from Sarasota's WSLP low power with references to 3rd adjacent protection etc. Obviously greek to the august body assembled before us. They had lots of video, a big screen with closed captioning, and 2 signing ladies for those with hearing issues, so it was a technically well done job, well mic'ed etc. There was the usual mix of Media General business types, who were running the company line, the WMNF listeners, just plain people reminiscing about their childhood TV shows, and a couple of "persons of interest" who were attacking Cheney and blaming 9/11 on the US, etc. And, one guy was passing out DVDs of conspiracy theories, in the Michael Moore genre, and another was a lawyer representing four candidates who lost recent local elections, all complaining of vote fraud, and pointing out that it's getting no media coverage. The audience was well behaved, no booing or catcalls, which was good because the FCC probably were thinking they were in neanderthal country. They said they would stay until everyone got to speak, then someone else said the theater closes at 11, and I was hoping someone would holler "reconvene at the Mons Venus!" If anyone thought of it, it'll forever be a secret. Besides, the chairman seriously looks too young to be of legal age to enter that establishment. I kept waiting for someone named "Z" to speak. No such luck. Only one passing reference to HD when Copps said "what will you do with all this digital technology we are giving you?" But the meeting was all about media consolidation and they came here because Media General has the Trib, Channel 8 and tbo.com all under one roof, sort of an idea incubator if you will. (The Trib and 8 were grandfathered under current media rules, which the FCC wants to relax). I met someone I had long wanted to, John Sipos who has been doing long form interviews in this area for years, after I heard him say a reference to CBS, and it turns out he is part of an old timers radio social meetup and I am invited to the next one! All people who used to work in NY broadcasting. I met John in the lobby and we talked for 30 minutes while he was waiting for his freelance cameraman to arrive. John's work appears on various local stations typically early Sunday mornings. This was a big media event and a lot of 'wheels' were there. Just think if someone could have gotten the hiss of an unsquelched 174 MHz wireless mic into the audio, we could have blamed it on "HD". The very small sampling of people I mentioned HD to had no idea of what it is. What a cool hack that could have been. Anyone want a list of the panelists? If so I'll make up another email. Maybe the Trib will cover tomorrow. One of the best was Patrick Manteiga, the publisher of La Gaceta. Many of the panelists were quite interesting, and had lots in common as some being representatives of minority voices, as is the tri-lingual paper La Gaceta, who face being marginalized out of existence. It is a serious issue. *Tampa Bay Performing Arts Center [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@optusnet.com.au Tue May 01 05:21:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@optusnet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15217 invoked from network); 1 May 2007 12:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2007 12:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fallbackmx02.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.133.72) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2007 12:21:43 -0000 Received: from mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.192]) by fallbackmx02.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l41CKPaZ000888 for ; Tue, 1 May 2007 22:20:25 +1000 Received: from seagull (d58-106-68-242.meb2.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.106.68.242]) by mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l41C6jxe001944; Tue, 1 May 2007 22:06:50 +1000 To: Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 22:06:16 +1000 Message-ID: <000601c78be9$1fce8ee0$0301010a@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceL2xFw+dwoi3aITt2bOVTuSawUKAADD2Ig In-Reply-To: <001101c78bd2$22492340$7201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> X-Originating-IP: 211.29.133.72 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} FCC MEETING IN TAMPA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270961947; y=hIpyjEIHtzf2R6xo8mgP0HLagUEoUxmqsJCRIhKB_Fxb X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 From: Dick W. Following is a report of the FCC Meeting in Tampa, submitted by Bob Foxworth on a different list: - - - - - Thanks for posting this Dick. Interesting to read Bob's (the writer's) comment ... "The very small sampling of people I mentioned HD to had no idea of what it is." It sounds just like AM stereo all over again. It just reinforces my perception that the majority of listeners are simply not worried about sound quality, as long as what they hear is loud and clear. It's a shame, but seemingly a reality. But that's not a reason for the authorities not to regulate for decent sound. Credit where it's due. We should congratulate the FCC for at least giving the public a say. Let's hope some good comes out of it. Ian Melbourne From dwtpa97@verizon.net Tue May 01 05:30:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96208 invoked from network); 1 May 2007 12:30:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2007 12:30:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vms040pub.verizon.net) (206.46.252.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2007 12:30:29 -0000 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([71.101.29.246]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JHD004GV3ZWX1E4@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 01 May 2007 07:28:45 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 08:28:49 -0400 To: Message-id: <000f01c78bec$49145340$7201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000601c78be9$1fce8ee0$0301010a@seagull> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.252.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC MEETING IN TAMPA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=wrH6MyQFeuZktT4CLNId-sB09o48lXt8DYiGUBEXoiAR5Q X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're right, Ian. It IS c-quam all over again. Unless inexpensive radios are mandated to require IBOC, it will not succeed. Dick W. P.S. Following is a link to today's Tampa Tribune article covering the FCC meeting. http://www.tbo.com/news/metro/MGBE5YDS51F.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 8:06 AM Subject: RE: {AMSF} FCC MEETING IN TAMPA From: Dick W. Following is a report of the FCC Meeting in Tampa, submitted by Bob Foxworth on a different list: - - - - - Thanks for posting this Dick. Interesting to read Bob's (the writer's) comment ... "The very small sampling of people I mentioned HD to had no idea of what it is." It sounds just like AM stereo all over again. It just reinforces my perception that the majority of listeners are simply not worried about sound quality, as long as what they hear is loud and clear. It's a shame, but seemingly a reality. But that's not a reason for the authorities not to regulate for decent sound. Credit where it's due. We should congratulate the FCC for at least giving the public a say. Let's hope some good comes out of it. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue May 01 06:54:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98790 invoked from network); 1 May 2007 13:54:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2007 13:54:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s6.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.78) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2007 13:54:02 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.111]) by bay0-omc1-s6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 1 May 2007 06:53:24 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 May 2007 06:53:24 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 May 2007 13:53:20 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 13:53:20 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2007 13:53:24.0747 (UTC) FILETIME=[1668DDB0:01C78BF8] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.78 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC MEETING IN TAMPA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=6zIw7If4yf6FPki3d0u7I5hEnH_vHALUpMZjpfEe7ck5UGt3oleAbaNgF9g X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo and here is the coverage of the FCC meeting from the St. Petersburg Times; I'm not very encouraged by the comments of the Chairman of the FCC, which seemed to me to be a lot of verbiage without really saying anything substantial. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Does media's mix lack flavors? At an FCC hearing, both supporters and critics of convergence have their say. By By ERIC DEGGANS Published May 1, 2007 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TAMPA - It didn't take long for Monday's public hearing on media ownership issues by the Federal Communications Commission to boil down to a single question: Does media "convergence" - pooling the news-gathering resources of commonly owned news outlets, particularly as practiced by Tampa Tribune, WFLA-Ch. 8 and TBO.com owner Media General - serve the public good or subvert it? "Don't change things so we can't get the message out about our (advocacy work), " said Mark Lunsford, a father who has became a well-known advocate for tougher child-protection laws after the murder of his daughter, Jessica. "The media works just fine the way it is." But Lunsford's appreciation was countered by testimony from 27-year-old freelance writer Brandy Doyle, who wondered if she still might have her job at the Sarasota Herald-Tribune after having spoken out about the newspaper's practice of using correspondents like her to cover community news. "I don't have a journalism degree or training as a professional journalist, " Doyle told the commissioners of her work writing for the newspaper's community news page. "Often stories that could have been developed into informative, meaningful pieces are relegated to the media equivalent of junk food in this section." The hearing Monday was the fourth of six planned public hearings nationwide on media ownership issues held by the FCC to gather input before it begins a second attempt to revamp rules governing how much media any one company can own in a community. By 7 p.m., less than halfway through the seven-hour event, about 250 people had filed into Louise Lykes Ferguson Hall at the Tampa Bay Performing Arts Center for the proceedings, which featured two panels of pre-selected participants addressing the commissioners for five minutes each and two periods of public comment. The crowd was a lively mix of media professionals, activists, politicians and observers, some of whom had waited for hours to address the commission. And those who spoke out against relaxing rules against further consolidation drew the largest applause. "At too many stations now ... we're 'brand ambassadors' to help sell an image largely unrelated to substance and the quality of our reporting, " said Steve Wilson, a reporter at WXYZ-TV in Detroit who sued WTVT-Ch. 13 in Tampa years ago, claiming he was forced out over a tough story about chemical giant Monsanto. Karen Brown Dunlap, president of the Poynter Institute for Media Studies, which owns the St. Petersburg Times, suggested a citizen task force could review broadcast license renewals to ensure stations meet their public affairs responsibilities. "The nation needs the FCC to (lift) ... news from the clutter of talk and opinion, " Dunlap said. "Reports on celebrity breakups or adoptions draw interest, but that doesn't nourish a community, " Dunlap said. Dan Bradley, vice president of news for Media General, helped build the blueprint for convergence practiced at the company. He says journalists at each outlet now have access to expanded reporting resources and a wider audience reach, thanks to their pooled resources. "I don't think the people sitting in this hall represent the average news consumer in Tampa Bay, " said Bradley, shrugging off the criticism of Media General from some speakers. "I'm glad these people get to have their say, but they have come here with a very specific point of view." Only the FCC's two Democratic appointees - consolidation critics Jonathan Adelstein and Michael Copps - expressed opinions on the issue during brief statements. But FCC chair Kevin Martin, a Republican who voted for loosened ownership rules in 2003 that Congress rejected, said that didn't mean the commission's three GOP appointees already had made up their minds. "What I find most helpful is when people present a point of view that might be counter-intuitive, " said Martin, noting comments from a onetime critic of media consolidation, former U.S. Rep. Jim Davis, who said Monday he saw value for the community in Media General's convergence efforts. "That's really interesting." © 2007 • All Rights Reserved • St. Petersburg Times 490 First Avenue South • St. Petersburg, FL 33701 • 727-893-8111 Contact the Times | Privacy Policy | Standard of Accuracy | Terms, Conditions & Copyright From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu May 03 10:20:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90420 invoked from network); 3 May 2007 17:20:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2007 17:20:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2007 17:20:05 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.97]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 169506853-1881964 for ; Thu, 03 May 2007 12:19:02 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c78da7$7d91a3e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 12:21:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 2, in=4, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.97 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: International AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=SHJKKSk7amRq9W4GYGm2izUDb3E5Ijm7c5n38pMODFAJRagmWx3D X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Likely your radio was "falsing" or giving a false stereo indication due to some interference which may not have been audible. Any shortwave stereo is likely to be in DRM format anyway, and that requires a computer and a way to tap off the radios IF. As for a stereo transmitter, If you can get a BE AM1A, they can be shipped with an AM stereo generator. Keep in mind that you'll have to upgrade to a stereo audio processor too, though there are many good ones out there now- the Orban 9400, any of the Omnia AM processors, and the CRL Amigo AM. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" I couldn't hear any audible stereo signal from nowhere. But the exception was an "exception" because I saw the stereo light but I didn't hear any real stereo information. From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu May 03 10:35:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44529 invoked from network); 3 May 2007 17:35:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2007 17:35:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52203.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.126) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2007 17:35:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 76592 invoked by uid 60001); 3 May 2007 17:35:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HyVDXF8VM1nSgb2Lrhm8DfH_PnO2Ew62KX9bv2bggbqrTyXzTcpnnDL_.AM0n68p5w-- Received: from [209.213.19.48] by web52203.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 May 2007 10:35:17 PDT Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 10:35:17 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002f01c78da7$7d91a3e0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <650392.76027.qm@web52203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: International AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=uNbfr9diTSR8KYXq_wIGofVeOZwZsF3X6WcTVDbv43s X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Scott Todd wrote: > As for a stereo transmitter, If you can get a BE > AM1A, they can be shipped > with an AM stereo generator. Keep in mind that > you'll have to upgrade to a > stereo audio processor too, though there are many > good ones out there now- > the Orban 9400, any of the Omnia AM processors, and > the CRL Amigo AM. Just remember that the BE no longer comes with the AM Stereo standard, you have to ask for it. WKDK's new BE AM1A did not have it. Powell From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu May 03 10:42:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44543 invoked from network); 3 May 2007 17:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2007 17:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2007 17:41:30 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.97]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 169510949-1881964 for ; Thu, 03 May 2007 12:39:18 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <006001c78daa$52967fa0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <000601c78be9$1fce8ee0$0301010a@seagull> <000f01c78bec$49145340$7201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 12:41:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 3, in=5, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.97 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC MEETING IN TAMPA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=gnt-nXYlHAK6HWoRfxCwVru8v-pxu7mKCCb5Go5IDymo4Ty7nwht X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude From the article-- The biggest applause went to supporters of more diverse media ownership. Robert Dardenne, a former reporter and professor of journalism and media studies at USF St. Petersburg, drew a standing ovation by saying, "The FCC rules now narrow the range of viewpoints, and we are overfed Anna Nicole Smith and starved for alternative perspectives on war and how can we become better citizens? We are asked not to think, but to consume." --- Gee, Bob, just tune in to The View on ABC and you can get that so-called alternative view on the war all you want from the yap of Rosie O'Dumbbell, and soon to be Rosanne Barr. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick W." > P.S. Following is a link to today's Tampa Tribune article covering the FCC meeting. > > http://www.tbo.com/news/metro/MGBE5YDS51F.html From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu May 03 11:37:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19620 invoked from network); 3 May 2007 18:33:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2007 18:33:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s36.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.172) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2007 18:33:55 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.120]) by bay0-omc2-s36.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 3 May 2007 11:33:43 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 May 2007 11:33:42 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 03 May 2007 18:33:38 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 18:33:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2007 18:33:42.0716 (UTC) FILETIME=[9386C7C0:01C78DB1] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC MEETING IN TAMPA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=sp1jto_SRP6o2ng5rgA20Fo7F6xQhTw9FOKekN97BF0oe4r815oMLSNNDeA X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo I belive that Robert Dardenne probably thinks that we should get the important news from the News!! Not Entertainment tonight or the View (which I wouldn't watch unless someone wanted to pay me a lot of money upfront to watch it). When Anna Nicole Smith died, it not only ruled the national news, but here in Florida, overtook the local news as well, displacing the irrelevant news of what our state legislature is doing on the homeowners insurance crisis, our property tax crisies etc. Since deregulation, it seems as though the bottom line has been everything and news operations are suffering; granted there are a few exceptions, but for the most part the 30 minute news cast contain about 13 minutes of commercials,then after all the fluff, there might be 5 - 7 minutes of important news. The public deserves to have it's public airwaves to provide us with important and relevant news, especially in time of war. --------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott Todd" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC MEETING IN TAMPA Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 12:41:34 -0500 Gee, Bob, just tune in to The View on ABC and you can get that so-called alternative view on the war all you want from the yap of Rosie..........., and soon to be Rosanne Barr. Scott Todd From the article-- The biggest applause went to supporters of more diverse media ownership. Robert Dardenne, a former reporter and professor of journalism and media studies at USF St. Petersburg, drew a standing ovation by saying, "The FCC rules now narrow the range of viewpoints, and we are overfed Anna Nicole Smith and starved for alternative perspectives on war and how can we become better citizens? We are asked not to think, but to consume." --- Gee, Bob, just tune in to The View on ABC and you can get that so-called alternative view on the war all you want from the yap of Rosie O'Dumbbell, and soon to be Rosanne Barr. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick W." >P.S. Following is a link to today's Tampa Tribune article covering the FCC meeting. > >http://www.tbo.com/news/metro/MGBE5YDS51F.html From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu May 03 12:31:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41768 invoked from network); 3 May 2007 19:26:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2007 19:26:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.10) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2007 19:26:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2007 19:25:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2007 19:25:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 19:25:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002f01c78da7$7d91a3e0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.8.148 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: International AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=p9eU-yI3dN3fp7Lse-_zDnKlIaib827UnIeQo5pvIVk_O9AK X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > Likely your radio was "falsing" or giving a false stereo indication due to > some interference which may not have been audible. Any shortwave stereo is > likely to be in DRM format anyway, and that requires a computer and a way to > tap off the radios IF. Co-channel interference is not as common as it once was on SW, nowadays, but still persists in the 6MHz and 7MHz bands, and considerably less so in most of the other bands, even at their busiest. (I keep my Degen (Kaito) 1103 tuned to the 9MHz band, as I usually find something interesting most hours of the day.) As far as DRM, you can get a dedicated receiver kit (or fully-built board, if you know the source) for around US$100 that's designed to be controlled and fed to a PC running the DReaM DRM receiver software (which also has AM and NBFM detection). I have a working board I got from an Italian ham on eBay for about US$125. There are already a few DRM standalone radios emerging on the European radio market. No 'puter required. :) > As for a stereo transmitter, If you can get a BE AM1A, they can be shipped > with an AM stereo generator. Keep in mind that you'll have to upgrade to a > stereo audio processor too, though there are many good ones out there now- > the Orban 9400, any of the Omnia AM processors, and the CRL Amigo AM. Keep in mind Juan's station's very low budget..... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu May 03 16:13:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27827 invoked from network); 3 May 2007 23:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2007 23:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2007 23:13:23 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.66]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 172762102-1881964 for ; Thu, 03 May 2007 18:13:21 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <005c01c78dd8$fe02d7c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 18:15:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 7, in=7, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.66 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: International AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=NWLwU5FckYAYAydKZDttTncsRwax-mW1GSUImHDl_T5j596Y-Dup X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Good point. They could use either some old CRL stuff or an FM stereo processor, pre-emphasis defeated, followed by a CRL 900. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" Keep in mind that you'll have to > upgrade to a > > stereo audio processor too, though there are many good ones out > there now- > > the Orban 9400, any of the Omnia AM processors, and the CRL Amigo AM. > > Keep in mind Juan's station's very low budget..... > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu May 03 20:44:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67006 invoked from network); 4 May 2007 03:44:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2007 03:44:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.117) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2007 03:44:18 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2007 03:44:12 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2007 03:44:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2007 03:44:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 03:44:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005c01c78dd8$fe02d7c0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.8.148 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: International AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=EOv1US6NHmto_gJXtRR7arkauY8MO-SHiK1AyzZRvbeDwIfa X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > Good point. They could use either some old CRL stuff or an FM stereo > processor, pre-emphasis defeated, followed by a CRL 900. For stations like Juan's, where anything above a few thousand dollars total is prohibitively high, sometimes substituting with inexpensive alternatives, even if not designed for the purpose used, to achieve a goal like wiring for stereo, as well as scouring eBay and other second- and third-hand broadcast electronics sorces... Sometimes you have to make do with not the best, even if you want the creme de la creme of AMS-capable equipment. I think some of us need to consider what would be needed for stereo on a (very tight) budget, especially for stations that do LPAM, Part-15, and other very-low budget broadcasting circumstances- Some way to give ideas for those who need AMS on a budget. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu May 03 23:11:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19620 invoked from network); 4 May 2007 06:11:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2007 06:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.125) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2007 06:11:08 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2007 06:10:51 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2007 06:10:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2007 06:10:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 06:10:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.125 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.121 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: International AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=mwEPDkJSri0yXodfHEhcqBIe-BsAwaQllzYdn7zOsay91o60fQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > > > Good point. They could use either some old CRL stuff or an FM=20 stereo > > processor, pre-emphasis defeated, followed by a CRL 900. >=20 > For stations like Juan's, where anything above a few thousand=20 dollars > total is prohibitively high, sometimes substituting with=20 inexpensive > alternatives, even if not designed for the purpose used, to=20 achieve a > goal like wiring for stereo, as well as scouring eBay and other > second- and third-hand broadcast electronics sorces... Sometimes=20 you > have to make do with not the best, even if you want the creme de la > creme of AMS-capable equipment. >=20 > I think some of us need to consider what would be needed for=20 stereo on > a (very tight) budget, especially for stations that do LPAM, Part- 15, > and other very-low budget broadcasting circumstances- Some way to=20 give > ideas for those who need AMS on a budget. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > HI GANG!!! And special Hi!!! to Amy!!! Dear brothers, we have an already stereo chain from the studio to=20 our TXs places here because our central audio processor, a cheap=20 (again "second hand") but efficient Inovonics David III is an stereo=20 device and we split its composite output to our two composite stereo=20 STLs, one to our FM signal and the other to our AM signal; again we=20 got it as a "second hand", but very good state, device. Of course,=20 our two STLs are "made in Chile" because, we don't have be able to=20 buy a USA device yet. We use the monophonic Inovonics 235 processor only to the AM TX and=20 we feed it with the mono balance output from the STL receiver=20 because it provides an automatic filter to the original FM intended=20 signal (believe it or not, it cut almost all above 10 kHz and don't=20 ask me how). We'll only need some device to convert the composite stereo signal=20 into two separate audio channels to feed the, I HOPE SO, our new AM=20 Stereo TX. (Faith is the last thing I'll lose, hahahaha!!!). Of course, I'm not thinking about a USA AM Stereo TX because I think=20 it would be into the US$10,000 band. I'm thinking about a "chilean=20 alternative" device only, hahahaha!!! We are a little station but we've always try to get the best... into=20 our very little finance state. About the MW/SW reception, I've tried to get some stereo signal=20 but... NOTHING!!! Only the "pseud" stereo lights. But I've got some=20 very good SW mono audio performance from Europe and it's strange to=20 me because I knew Europe uses more narrow audio channels, or Am I=20 wrong? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu May 03 23:59:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35660 invoked from network); 4 May 2007 06:59:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2007 06:59:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.114) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2007 06:59:03 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2007 06:58:50 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2007 06:58:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2007 06:58:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 06:58:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.8.148 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: International AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=mUvuQY_wHDws6W1Uw7Q_SgpuT_41mSZv5j8LBipfhxne7ej0 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > We'll only need some device to convert the composite stereo signal=20 > into two separate audio channels to feed the, I HOPE SO, our new AM=20 > Stereo TX. (Faith is the last thing I'll lose, hahahaha!!!). Most AMS TXes and exciters have inputs both for composite and discreete audio. As for converting composite (matrixed) audio, why not take some ideas from this?: http://tinyurl.com/h824q > Of course, I'm not thinking about a USA AM Stereo TX because I think=20 > it would be into the US$10,000 band. I'm thinking about a "chilean=20 > alternative" device only, hahahaha!!! You can get an exciter for less than US$3000, even under $1000 if you look hard enough, even haggle the price down to something both your station and the seller can live with. The only other country I know of that manufactures commercial AMS transmitters and exciters is Japan, and as far as I know, there are at least two companies there that do. I just don't recall which. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri May 04 15:58:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47236 invoked from network); 4 May 2007 22:58:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2007 22:58:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2007 22:58:33 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.201]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 172499718-1881964 for ; Fri, 04 May 2007 17:58:27 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c78ea0$14cae020$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 18:00:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 6, in=13, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.201 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: International AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=Gct39UrbPPKVKRH-CikSHlW_VvBblo2a8wIeHFXNlQcfoIAJWq6q X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I know Continental Lensa (Chilean) made some AM stereo transmitters for the US market under the Continental (US) brand, so you might want to check with them. As for demodulating the composite stereo signal, it shouldn't be too hard. There are single IC chips made to do that for consumer radios. A Google search for FM stereo demodulator chip should yield plenty of resources. Then check ebay for a used CRL SMP-900 or 950. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" We'll only need some device to convert the composite stereo signal into two separate audio channels to feed the, I HOPE SO, our new AM Stereo TX. (Faith is the last thing I'll lose, hahahaha!!!). Of course, I'm not thinking about a USA AM Stereo TX because I think it would be into the US$10,000 band. I'm thinking about a "chilean alternative" device only, hahahaha!!! We are a little station but we've always try to get the best... into our very little finance state. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri May 04 22:10:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43997 invoked from network); 5 May 2007 05:02:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2007 05:02:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.240) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2007 05:02:57 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n26.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2007 05:01:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2007 05:01:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2007 05:01:38 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 05:01:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000d01c78ea0$14cae020$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.99 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: International AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=39aJlzIropQncp-cqPgAb-tLq1egrEmGdzECdjP5DkYt5nOo-g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > I know Continental Lensa (Chilean) made some AM stereo transmitters=20 for the > US market under the Continental (US) brand... You're right Scott, and it's my first option. Of course, the last word=20 about it will come from my boss, hehehehe!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri May 04 22:16:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78075 invoked from network); 5 May 2007 05:16:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2007 05:16:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.56) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2007 05:16:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2007 05:15:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2007 05:15:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 05:15:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.99 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: International AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=PvpCoAGlXPxv0c2Tg8Ykn9oT2gh1SQGm2Q_hHza9ZXM5_GvNCg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: >=20 > > We'll only need some device to convert the composite stereo=20 signal=20 > > into two separate audio channels to feed the, I HOPE SO, our new=20 AM=20 > > Stereo TX. (Faith is the last thing I'll lose, hahahaha!!!). >=20 > Most AMS TXes and exciters have inputs both for composite and > discreete audio. >=20 > As for converting composite (matrixed) audio, why not take some=20 ideas > from this?: http://tinyurl.com/h824q >=20 > > Of course, I'm not thinking about a USA AM Stereo TX because I=20 think=20 > > it would be into the US$10,000 band. I'm thinking about=20 a "chilean=20 > > alternative" device only, hahahaha!!! >=20 > You can get an exciter for less than US$3000, even under $1000 if=20 you > look hard enough, even haggle the price down to something both your > station and the seller can live with. >=20 > The only other country I know of that manufactures commercial AMS > transmitters and exciters is Japan, and as far as I know, there=20 are at > least two companies there that do. I just don't recall which. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Hi Amy!!! There are a pair of Argentinian engineers that offer AM Stereo TXs.=20 I know a Brasilian industry with that option too. Here, in Chile, we have two very good friends who make AM Stereo=20 TXs: Continental Lensa and Castel Telecom. I know those equipments=20 and I can sure you it works so fine at 1/3 or less than a USA=20 manufacturer price!!! Of course, I'm talking about the 250 to 5,000=20 Wts segment only (you have to understand that 1,000 Wts it's the=20 most common AM used power here). The great problem here is about the aerial installation place=20 because our weather isn't a kind weather so the rust is the most=20 common enemy of the AM stations budget ev'ry year. I'm still waiting to hear some AM Stereo signal in the international=20 MW or SW bands here but... nothing yet!!! Maybe the sun is having=20 some of its "periods" and the bands are closing?... I don't know. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat May 05 02:28:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40186 invoked from network); 5 May 2007 09:28:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2007 09:28:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.243) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2007 09:28:14 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n27.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2007 09:24:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2007 09:24:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2007 09:24:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 09:24:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.243 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.8.148 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: International AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=jzIwpdWbR7Y7Iy6uKGui54ExyWsh3ThMuQQztvqHluGiw7Cz X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > Hi Amy!!! >=20 > There are a pair of Argentinian engineers that offer AM Stereo TXs.=20 > I know a Brasilian industry with that option too. >=20 > Here, in Chile, we have two very good friends who make AM Stereo=20 > TXs: Continental Lensa and Castel Telecom. I know those equipments=20 > and I can sure you it works so fine at 1/3 or less than a USA=20 > manufacturer price!!! Of course, I'm talking about the 250 to 5,000=20 > Wts segment only (you have to understand that 1,000 Wts it's the=20 > most common AM used power here). It's good to know there are some South American AMS broadcast electronics manufacturers. :) Even here in America, where it seems like everyone wants to be a 25 or 50kW flamethrower, regardless of the interference to others who share the same frequency, we still have alot of 5kW-and-under AMers, some with as low as 8 watts... :) So I understand stations elsewhere having about 1kW, and not really needing more. Hell, I wish all but the main designated regional and national* stations should be reduced back to 5kW or less, like it had been in Australia until recent times, because 5kW was really all you needed to cover your community effectively. :) (*: "National" as in particularly for civil defense, just like the great "clear channel" stations once were.) > The great problem here is about the aerial installation place=20 > because our weather isn't a kind weather so the rust is the most=20 > common enemy of the AM stations budget ev'ry year. I live where it's cold, rainy and being right on the coast, alot of salty sea air-- I know what you mean. Yes, there are antennas you can get that are designed for such weather conditions. > I'm still waiting to hear some AM Stereo signal in the international=20 > MW or SW bands here but... nothing yet!!! Maybe the sun is having=20 > some of its "periods" and the bands are closing?... I don't know. Any quadrature or ISB signal you'll ever find above 1.8MHz will not have a C-QUAM 25kHz pilot tone to trip any C-QUAM reception- It would have to be in a forced-stereo mode. The exceptions, if any, might be some pirates or hams running in AM mode in the 80m (3.7-4MHz) band, if you get a good skip from the US down there. :) Otherwise, all you should find is in the MW (AM) Broadcast Band, and mostly from nearby Argentina and Brazil, to the east of you. You might even be lucky to get a weak signal from Australia, but I wouldn't hold my breath. :) Sometimes, all you can do for AMS is DX reception. Up here, I have only one- JUST ONE- reliable AMS signal, and that's classic country/western station CKMX 1060 of Calgary, Alberta, Canada- about 1000 miles northeast of me. So... Keep on trying! :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat May 05 08:11:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30260 invoked from network); 5 May 2007 15:11:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2007 15:11:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2007 15:11:10 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.201]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 169958628-1881964 for ; Sat, 05 May 2007 10:11:08 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c78f27$f75cd060$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 10:13:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 1, in=1, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.201 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: International AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=3ZH1JKI52zNEWGCD0KONRiqB03vdvzSSVhku2IMeKxzAkZxGmtFN X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude A galvanized tower would solve that problem. I know it's not cheap initially, but it's cheaper in the long run. As for solar conditions, yes, the bands have been pretty bad lately. There was some sort of flare last week. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" The great problem here is about the aerial installation place because our weather isn't a kind weather so the rust is the most common enemy of the AM stations budget ev'ry year. I'm still waiting to hear some AM Stereo signal in the international MW or SW bands here but... nothing yet!!! Maybe the sun is having some of its "periods" and the bands are closing?... I don't know. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat May 05 21:18:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21614 invoked from network); 6 May 2007 04:18:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2007 04:18:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.153) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2007 04:18:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 21493 invoked by uid 60001); 6 May 2007 04:18:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FVI6pZgVM1mOWlpD2ZMox2OrftM4_WtZEjMtkLwcpGBv54iQ7Lcg.I8zl6n9tsMWDM8gFNqUnQ-- Received: from [209.213.19.142] by web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 May 2007 21:18:06 PDT Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 21:18:06 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <688832.20859.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=jLk48gOc-tHZPDEQtxUhDfZMqYPNAU44YCRoa3gxQGo X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > Even here in America, where it seems like everyone > wants to be a 25 or > 50kW flamethrower, regardless of the interference to > others who share > the same frequency, we still have alot of > 5kW-and-under AMers, some > with as low as 8 watts... :) There are NO daytime 8 watt allocations, Night yes, and most of the 'FLEA' power allocations are totally useless. And stations Do have to adhere to FCC interference rules so what you say above is not true. > So I understand > stations elsewhere having > about 1kW, and not really needing more. Hell, I wish > all but the main > designated regional and national* stations should be > reduced back to > 5kW or less, like it had been in Australia until > recent times, because > 5kW was really all you needed to cover your > community effectively. :) Not correct unless your community is a couple miles. A lot of the US has very poor soil conductivity unlike a lot of California and a good bit of the midwest. WSB in Atlanta on 750 BARELY covers its market with 50,000 watts non directional due to the exceptionally poor soil conductivity, New York City is just about as bad. Powell From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat May 05 22:28:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14842 invoked from network); 6 May 2007 05:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2007 05:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2007 05:28:12 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2007 05:31:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2007 05:28:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 05:28:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <688832.20859.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.6.90 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=9aV9qz-oiUpcvLu6hBTtFl1UrhRXMFW4UMt7efhZHPqMoj84 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > >=20 > --- Amy Mousie wrote: > > Even here in America, where it seems like everyone > > wants to be a 25 or > > 50kW flamethrower, regardless of the interference to > > others who share > > the same frequency, we still have alot of > > 5kW-and-under AMers, some > > with as low as 8 watts... :) >=20 > There are NO daytime 8 watt allocations, Night yes, > and most of the 'FLEA' power allocations are totally > useless. And stations Do have to adhere to FCC > interference rules so what you say above is not true.=20 Reread my statement above- I said where it SEEMS LIKE everyone WANTS to be a flamethrower... The point being is that there isa a power war going on in AM, where it seems like everyone wants the strongest possible legal signal JUST to stay listenable in their COL. Now, if many of these stations who are blasting with the kilowatts- and I mean the ones that cause smaller stations to up their wattage just to stay afloat in the quagmire- would reduce their output power to something much more reasonable to cover their COL & metro region (just how much firepower, realisticly, do you NEED to do that?!), maybe we could have a saner AM band. God, I miss the early '80s! > > So I understand > > stations elsewhere having > > about 1kW, and not really needing more. Hell, I wish > > all but the main > > designated regional and national* stations should be > > reduced back to > > 5kW or less, like it had been in Australia until > > recent times, because > > 5kW was really all you needed to cover your > > community effectively. :) >=20 >=20 > Not correct unless your community is a couple miles. For most stations, it is. > A lot of the US has very poor soil conductivity unlike > a lot of California and a good bit of the midwest.=20 Safe to say the entire Pacific Northwest, too. The farthest "local" station to me is a 5kW daytimer in Curry County (Brookings), Oregon, about 70 miles north of me, station KURY, 910 AM. Constantly pegging a 2 out of 5 here. Good ground conductivity? Perhaps- I can get CBC-1 690, Vancouver, BC, Canada, just on the threshold of receivability to just shy of 1 out of 5 on my mother's car radio... :) That's over 600 miles north... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimmyyearwood@hotmail.com Sat May 05 23:09:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimmyyearwood@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31934 invoked from network); 6 May 2007 06:09:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2007 06:09:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2007 06:09:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2007 06:09:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2007 06:09:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 06:09:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.34.76.207 From: "jimmyyearwood" Subject: SRF-A1 Yessssssss! Sorry, but I just have to do the happy dance!..Woooohoooo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226592358; y=rUtAXNF9ztkBAWn20kpAEwyo-kwQyQYMJcW9NjUKXwVvlCfCDymBHw X-Yahoo-Profile: jimmyyearwood Found a hen's tooth I've been after for years. An almost new in the box=20 Coke edition Sony SRF-A1. I'm so thrilled that I'm not sure I'll be=20 able to sleep tonight. I fell like a kid waiting for Christmas. THANK GOD FOR WWBF or it would be kinda useless. Does anyone out there have either one of the SRF-A1s? How do they=20 perform? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D170106970113 From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun May 06 00:37:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40449 invoked from network); 6 May 2007 07:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2007 07:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.214) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2007 07:37:58 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2007 07:37:56 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2007 07:37:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2007 07:37:56 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 07:37:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.6.90 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: SRF-A1 Yessssssss! Sorry, but I just have to do the happy dance!..Woooohoooo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=F9WVvAqUBQiTGzbYgWPfSuxZmsG_AotZ91iFFSqwdoUWwy4t X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimmyyearwood" wrote: > > Found a hen's tooth I've been after for years. An almost new in the box=20 > Coke edition Sony SRF-A1. I'm so thrilled that I'm not sure I'll be=20 > able to sleep tonight. I fell like a kid waiting for Christmas. >=20 > THANK GOD FOR WWBF or it would be kinda useless. >=20 > Does anyone out there have either one of the SRF-A1s? How do they=20 > perform? >=20 > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D170106970113 Lucky bastard- I'd almost kill for one of these (either version)! Multimode a-b switch-type AM stereo radio, forced-stereo on carrier, just like the 'A100 I have, only, of course, without the speakers. :) The "A" position is matrixed AM stereo (C-QUAM, Harris VCPM, Magnavox AM-PM, even RCA/Belar AM-FM), while the "B" position is ISB. Good DXer, very sensitive carrier detection, good selectivity- It does not blend between adjacent-channel stations... Reason for all of this is that the 'A1 and 'A100 have the same identical AMS chipset. Wide is VERY, while narrow is about 7kHz. $51 is close to what it was retail, I think, for the regular edition. But you got the Holy Grail of AMS radios- The Coke edition 'A1! Congrats! :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Why yes, I love my 'A100.... :) ) From raynor_jeff@yahoo.com Sun May 06 06:06:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: raynor_jeff@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92989 invoked from network); 6 May 2007 13:06:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2007 13:06:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2007 13:06:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2007 13:03:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2007 13:03:46 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 13:03:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <688832.20859.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.0.80.147 From: "Jeff Raynor" Subject: Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=221315206; y=oVHsTxqzCD999Kwec-C2PSsLRDSqNCqco_suhwY4gUvx4KoT51w X-Yahoo-Profile: raynor_jeff Hey guys, I must admit I'm not a regular contributor like some of the rest of=20 you are, but I must throw in my $.02 on this one. I am the owner and=20 operator of WXMY-AM in Saltville, Virginia. We are on 1600kHz and=20 operate with 5kW daytime only. I must tell all of you that since WAOS=20 in Austell, GA went from 5kW to 20kW, we hear them "regularly" up=20 here in southwest Virginia. As late at 9am, I can turn off my carrier=20 and hear them blowing through like they were next door. I've talked=20 to the FCC (Peter Doyle at the AM Branch) who told me their=20 engineering passed muster at the FCC or they'd have not gotten that=20 power. Basically he tole me we'd have to "live with it", or I'd have=20 to spend my own money to go down, take field intensity measurements=20 and determine whether or not they were operating legally (or not).=20 Since I don't have the money to invest in that, I began looking at=20 other solutions that would bring some definite difference to my=20 listeners here. I should also point out that if you drive about 25=20 miles up Interstate-81, you pretty much lose my signal to the station=20 in Georgia--remember, we're in Virginia here! When I bought WXMY, I immediately asked the previous owner as to=20 whether he'd looked at increasing the power, he did and said nothing=20 could be done. What about nighttime power? Nothing--ever! OK, I was=20 content with this AM signal until I started getting interference from=20 Georgia. So, I hired a consulting engineer to look into a power=20 increase. The first one I hired told me 10kW daytime, 10w nighttime=20 from a two tower array. Too expensive to build and maintain. I don't=20 like directional antenna systems--they're too much of a pain the the=20 rear. I hired Munn-Reese in Coldwater, MI who had me=20 run "conductivity studies" (something the first guy hadn't heard of=20 apparently, and we found out our conductivity here was much worse=20 than the FCC originally thought it was, and we could go to 23kW day=20 and 10w night with ONE tower. We've filed an application with the FCC=20 and are awaiting their approval. Please note that we had to run=20 measurements on a couple other stations conductivity to prove ground=20 conductivity and that we'd not interfere with them at our increased=20 power.=20 I am not sure why there are 50kW stations fulltime when it knocks out=20 some local stations having nighttime power. It doesn't seem fair, but=20 you have to remember we're dealing with the federal government here.=20 Why then, did I apply for a power increase? Simple. I've been in=20 broadcasting since I was 15--and I'll turn 45 this July. I've never=20 flipped a burger, stocked grocery shelves or the like. I've always=20 worked in a radio station. I've owned three of them and managed how=20 many more. The business is becoming increasingly, well... stupid with=20 everything from music licensing fees to the idiocy of what stations=20 are doing with power. I'm only trying to make a dollar and feed my=20 family. It's hard to sell a 5kW AM on 1600 that disappears under=20 bridges and big power lines. I've had more than a handful of people=20 ask me "So, why don't you just flip over to FM?"--I have to laugh=20 that off because they just don't know any better. I needed to=20 maximize my signal, so I simply found a hole in my area and filled=20 it. I'm suggesting to everyone I know that owns an AM station to hire=20 a wonderful consulting engineer--I highly recommend Wayne Reese at=20 Munn-Reese in Michigan, get field strength studies done up to 50kW,=20 and see what you can get. My first consulting engineer told me I=20 could only apply in steps of 5, 10, 20 and 50kW. He was the=20 consulting engineer and should have known better. I am an "out of the=20 box thinker" and asked why there were some stations licensed for 9kW=20 daytime, or 13.5kW daytime? His answer "I dunno". That's when I hired=20 Munn-Reese who thought out of the box like I do and they took us out=20 as far as we could go and came up with 23kW. We're right out to the=20 line--as far as we can go legally. It's what stations need to do to=20 survive--saturate their signal as far as it can reach. OH.. and I=20 don't want to just crank out power and not care about interfering=20 with others--that's why we have to file pounds of paperwork with the=20 FCC and prove what we want is really indeed legal and non- interfering.=20 And if you think the FCC is going to "rethink" and make 50kW stations=20 drop their power, think again. Look at who owns those stations. Do=20 you think they're going to just let the FCC tell them they gotta=20 decrease their power without a fight? Think again! Sorry to burst the bubble of those who think stations should only get=20 5kW max daytime, but please know I believe the same thing--if every=20 AM station was, say 5kW day, there might be room for more of them-- maybe. It's just not "real world" and we have to do what we have to=20 do to live in the "real world". I'd welcome any of you to contact me personaly via email if you want=20 to talk about it.=20 Jeff Raynor, Owner WXMY Radio Saltville, VA www.1600WXMY.com =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > --- Amy Mousie wrote: > > Even here in America, where it seems like everyone > > wants to be a 25 or > > 50kW flamethrower, regardless of the interference to > > others who share > > the same frequency, we still have alot of > > 5kW-and-under AMers, some > > with as low as 8 watts... :) >=20 > There are NO daytime 8 watt allocations, Night yes, > and most of the 'FLEA' power allocations are totally > useless. And stations Do have to adhere to FCC > interference rules so what you say above is not true.=20 >=20 > > So I understand > > stations elsewhere having > > about 1kW, and not really needing more. Hell, I wish > > all but the main > > designated regional and national* stations should be > > reduced back to > > 5kW or less, like it had been in Australia until > > recent times, because > > 5kW was really all you needed to cover your > > community effectively. :) >=20 >=20 > Not correct unless your community is a couple miles. > A lot of the US has very poor soil conductivity unlike > a lot of California and a good bit of the midwest.=20 >=20 >=20 > WSB in Atlanta on 750 BARELY covers its market with > 50,000 watts non directional due to the exceptionally > poor soil conductivity, New York City is just about as > bad.=20=20 >=20 > Powell > From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun May 06 14:01:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48983 invoked from network); 6 May 2007 21:01:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2007 21:01:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.162) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2007 21:00:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 74197 invoked by uid 60001); 6 May 2007 21:00:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: J88lKNkVM1neU_ChUhQ0_Jeb3wklECYXo.p11EfIYSHwA3WIdZ8omlIejbwS_11xX59X4L9RLQ-- Received: from [209.213.19.177] by web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 May 2007 14:00:46 PDT Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 14:00:46 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <658503.72812.qm@web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=yhV6N2dYXcG1AMqyCAMs8I7V12kj_cTDhWSQkI79WiE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: eread my statement above- I said where it SEEMS > LIKE everyone WANTS > to be a flamethrower... The point being is that > there isa a power war > going on in AM, where it seems like everyone wants > the strongest > possible legal signal JUST to stay listenable in > their COL. Now, if > many of these stations who are blasting with the > kilowatts- and I mean > the ones that cause smaller stations to up their > wattage just to stay > afloat in the quagmire- would reduce their output > power to something > much more reasonable to cover their COL & metro > region (just how much > firepower, realisticly, do you NEED to do that?!), > maybe we could have > a saner AM band. God, I miss the early '80s! Another major problem is the noise level from man made devices has gotten terribly out of control, and power line noise is so bad as to make large stretches of roads with no AM signals above the noise and nothing being done about this. > > > So I understand > > > stations elsewhere having > > > about 1kW, and not really needing more. Hell, I > wish > > > all but the main > > > designated regional and national* stations > should be > > > reduced back to > > > 5kW or less, like it had been in Australia until > > > recent times, because > > > 5kW was really all you needed to cover your > > > community effectively. :) > > > > > > Not correct unless your community is a couple > miles. > Safe to say the entire Pacific Northwest, too. It's FAR worse on the east coast. > The farthest "local" station to me is a 5kW daytimer > in Curry County > (Brookings), Oregon, about 70 miles north of me, > station KURY, 910 AM. > Constantly pegging a 2 out of 5 here. Good ground > conductivity? Better than here. > Perhaps- I can get CBC-1 690, Vancouver, BC, Canada, > just on the > threshold of receivability to just shy of 1 out of 5 > on my mother's > car radio... :) That's over 600 miles north... WSB at 200 miles is barely audible. WBT 1110 at 80 air miles lights 2 bars out of 5. WVOC 560 5000 watts 4 bars @ 55 miles WISW 1320 at 5000 watts 55 miles (Both columbia) lights no bars. EEEEEEEFFFF! Powell From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun May 06 16:26:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58599 invoked from network); 6 May 2007 23:26:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2007 23:26:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2007 23:26:56 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.119]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 171469444-1881964 for ; Sun, 06 May 2007 18:26:04 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c79036$47fac900$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 18:28:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 9, in=7, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.119 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=pqpsWWRcioXXlcgfSp8-PDbeHiDTDn9KcO097ipqBtw-3E-sBUXr X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Discrete power steps were thrown out some time back in the 80s. I'm surprised that guy was so far behind the times and would hate to have him do any work for me. I can second the vote for Munn-Reese, though since I've got former FCC guy Garry Lysiac and his Owl Engineering in my own back yard, I usually call him for assistance on smaller projects, though larger ones I have to go through the big bucks guys at Carl T. Jones per HQ's directives. While you're shopping for transmitters, please ask BE if their 4MX-25 will do AM stereo and report back to us. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Raynor" My first consulting engineer told me I > could only apply in steps of 5, 10, 20 and 50kW. He was the > consulting engineer and should have known better. I am an "out of the > box thinker" and asked why there were some stations licensed for 9kW > daytime, or 13.5kW daytime? His answer "I dunno". That's when I hired > Munn-Reese who thought out of the box like I do and they took us out > as far as we could go and came up with 23kW. We're right out to the > line--as far as we can go legally. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun May 06 18:49:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7660 invoked from network); 7 May 2007 01:49:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2007 01:49:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2007 01:49:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 67480 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2007 01:49:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _plNgfwVM1m67urwg3fHtT.Arnb1nCiSw2V8B.sorg9oOmAnYK_qn5o9wdPgC.YDuA-- Received: from [209.213.19.186] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 May 2007 18:49:44 PDT Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 18:49:44 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002f01c79036$47fac900$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <186148.67245.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=uQenekPZs0GvOH2Uc4DM64tlSlocyXBgG_m8lkdjmh4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Scott Todd wrote: > While you're shopping for transmitters, please ask > BE if their 4MX-25 will > do AM stereo and report back to us. And if the 4MX series will go all the way down to 1 KW. Powell From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun May 06 19:20:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48753 invoked from network); 7 May 2007 02:20:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2007 02:20:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.38) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2007 02:20:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 97521 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2007 02:19:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: iauAevQVM1mZ__gfo3hu8YualBhIG.dXFjY9RkqpiCG94AMxwODorAwx66OH_yFsRUV8ENHWkTEgFYsb5HEaM3NmrOsQHc3MhJtaZO91zJ_AfH_2hDehaV4- Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 May 2007 19:19:59 PDT Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 19:19:59 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <845462.97137.qm@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=XoMWukbOzKTNddvk5wYFqrpVqGM1Up6aoyqnqveyJCVu3yIMNjFo X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Good post Jeff --- Jeff Raynor wrote: > Hey guys, > > I must admit I'm not a regular contributor like some > of the rest of > you are, but I must throw in my $.02 on this one. I > am the owner and > operator of WXMY-AM in Saltville, Virginia. We are > on 1600kHz and > operate with 5kW daytime only. I must tell all of > you that since WAOS > in Austell, GA went from 5kW to 20kW, we hear them > "regularly" up > here in southwest Virginia. As late at 9am, I can > turn off my carrier > and hear them blowing through like they were next > door. I've talked > to the FCC (Peter Doyle at the AM Branch) who told > me their > engineering passed muster at the FCC or they'd have > not gotten that > power. Basically he tole me we'd have to "live with > it", or I'd have > to spend my own money to go down, take field > intensity measurements > and determine whether or not they were operating > legally (or not). > Since I don't have the money to invest in that, I > began looking at > other solutions that would bring some definite > difference to my > listeners here. I should also point out that if you > drive about 25 > miles up Interstate-81, you pretty much lose my > signal to the station > in Georgia--remember, we're in Virginia here! > When I bought WXMY, I immediately asked the previous > owner as to > whether he'd looked at increasing the power, he did > and said nothing > could be done. What about nighttime power? > Nothing--ever! OK, I was > content with this AM signal until I started getting > interference from > Georgia. So, I hired a consulting engineer to look > into a power > increase. The first one I hired told me 10kW > daytime, 10w nighttime > from a two tower array. Too expensive to build and > maintain. I don't > like directional antenna systems--they're too much > of a pain the the > rear. I hired Munn-Reese in Coldwater, MI who had me > > run "conductivity studies" (something the first guy > hadn't heard of > apparently, and we found out our conductivity here > was much worse > than the FCC originally thought it was, and we could > go to 23kW day > and 10w night with ONE tower. We've filed an > application with the FCC > and are awaiting their approval. Please note that we > had to run > measurements on a couple other stations conductivity > to prove ground > conductivity and that we'd not interfere with them > at our increased > power. > I am not sure why there are 50kW stations fulltime > when it knocks out > some local stations having nighttime power. It > doesn't seem fair, but > you have to remember we're dealing with the federal > government here. > Why then, did I apply for a power increase? Simple. > I've been in > broadcasting since I was 15--and I'll turn 45 this > July. I've never > flipped a burger, stocked grocery shelves or the > like. I've always > worked in a radio station. I've owned three of them > and managed how > many more. The business is becoming increasingly, > well... stupid with > everything from music licensing fees to the idiocy > of what stations > are doing with power. I'm only trying to make a > dollar and feed my > family. It's hard to sell a 5kW AM on 1600 that > disappears under > bridges and big power lines. I've had more than a > handful of people > ask me "So, why don't you just flip over to FM?"--I > have to laugh > that off because they just don't know any better. I > needed to > maximize my signal, so I simply found a hole in my > area and filled > it. I'm suggesting to everyone I know that owns an > AM station to hire > a wonderful consulting engineer--I highly recommend > Wayne Reese at > Munn-Reese in Michigan, get field strength studies > done up to 50kW, > and see what you can get. My first consulting > engineer told me I > could only apply in steps of 5, 10, 20 and 50kW. He > was the > consulting engineer and should have known better. I > am an "out of the > box thinker" and asked why there were some stations > licensed for 9kW > daytime, or 13.5kW daytime? His answer "I dunno". > That's when I hired > Munn-Reese who thought out of the box like I do and > they took us out > as far as we could go and came up with 23kW. We're > right out to the > line--as far as we can go legally. It's what > stations need to do to > survive--saturate their signal as far as it can > reach. OH.. and I > don't want to just crank out power and not care > about interfering > with others--that's why we have to file pounds of > paperwork with the > FCC and prove what we want is really indeed legal > and non- > interfering. > And if you think the FCC is going to "rethink" and > make 50kW stations > drop their power, think again. Look at who owns > those stations. Do > you think they're going to just let the FCC tell > them they gotta > decrease their power without a fight? Think again! > Sorry to burst the bubble of those who think > stations should only get > 5kW max daytime, but please know I believe the same > thing--if every > AM station was, say 5kW day, there might be room for > more of them-- > maybe. It's just not "real world" and we have to do > what we have to > do to live in the "real world". > I'd welcome any of you to contact me personaly via > email if you want > to talk about it. > > Jeff Raynor, Owner > WXMY Radio > Saltville, VA > www.1600WXMY.com > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > > > > --- Amy Mousie wrote: > > > Even here in America, where it seems like > everyone > > > wants to be a 25 or > > > 50kW flamethrower, regardless of the > interference to > > > others who share > > > the same frequency, we still have alot of > > > 5kW-and-under AMers, some > > > with as low as 8 watts... :) > > > > There are NO daytime 8 watt allocations, Night > yes, > > and most of the 'FLEA' power allocations are > totally > > useless. And stations Do have to adhere to FCC > > interference rules so what you say above is not > true. > > > > > So I understand > > > stations elsewhere having > > > about 1kW, and not really needing more. Hell, I > wish > > > all but the main > > > designated regional and national* stations > should be > > > reduced back to > > > 5kW or less, like it had been in Australia until > > > recent times, because > > > 5kW was really all you needed to cover your > > > community effectively. :) > > > > > > Not correct unless your community is a couple > miles. > > A lot of the US has very poor soil conductivity > unlike > > a lot of California and a good bit of the midwest. > > > > > > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun May 06 21:01:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52597 invoked from network); 7 May 2007 04:01:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2007 04:01:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.26) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2007 04:01:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2007 04:00:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2007 04:00:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 04:00:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <186148.67245.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.3 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=sTmKVacwYgpq7FTThZ8e7XljnTNgzEY2b6tTOMT5wDj4-vXIWg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > --- Scott Todd wrote: >=20 >=20=20 > > While you're shopping for transmitters, please ask > > BE if their 4MX-25 will > > do AM stereo and report back to us. >=20 >=20 > And if the 4MX series will go all the way down to 1 > KW. >=20 > Powell > According to the BE Official Web Page, all BE TX can transmit AM=20 Stereo, but you must to buy the optional kit (extra price, of=20 course). Naturally, those very good devices are intended to the rich=20 men of the rich countries only. We, the poor side of the world, are=20 out. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun May 06 21:30:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36214 invoked from network); 7 May 2007 04:28:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2007 04:28:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.102) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2007 04:28:32 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n9.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2007 04:28:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2007 04:28:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2007 04:28:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 04:28:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002f01c79036$47fac900$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.3 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=vf_pmA2a_8Sg-haZPFk46x2sBikMMDhvWChRbBagN8tjDBAD6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI GANG!!! We, the South America people have more luck than you: we don't have=20 the infamous day/night legal difference, we transmit the same power=20 all the time, 24 hours a day, all the year, day and/or night, barely=20 and legally, hehehehehe!!! But the geographic enviroments, in some chilean areas, eliminate the=20 theory. Theorically, one 5 KWS station would be able to cover a 40=20 miles around coverage area better than a 1 KWS station. Mmmm... not=20 always. I have a 5 KWS station at exactly 40 miles away from me and=20 it sounds identical (with the same amount of noise background) than=20 the other three 1 KWS station from the same far city. So, I wonder=20 if that 5 KWS station owner guy isn't paying more electricity than=20 he needs. Theorically, the TX output power steps (1 - 5 - 10 - 20 - 50 KWS)=20 must to mean a noticeable reception difference at some=20 predeterminaned geographic distance BUT... not always, not always. As the things go, maybe the AM owners must to have a lot of 1 KWS=20 (or less power) stations to cover a determined area (same as the FM=20 repeaters). So, they would be able to have a lot of frecuencies of=20 the MW band, preventing strangers in the bussiness, hehehehe!!! A=20 satanic but efficient idea, hahahaha!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From bob_welch550@yahoo.com Sun May 06 23:48:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: bob_welch550@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88790 invoked from network); 7 May 2007 06:48:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2007 06:48:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.102) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2007 06:48:27 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n9.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2007 06:47:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2007 06:47:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2007 06:47:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 06:47:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <688832.20859.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.55.205 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213592090; y=BTz1xR6D1oCJNezw-52iyX9b3W1iMFpQKMd-lSi2_R17_ynZZ-dE X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > --- Amy Mousie wrote: > > Even here in America, where it seems like everyone > > wants to be a 25 or > > 50kW flamethrower, regardless of the interference to > > others who share > > the same frequency, we still have alot of > > 5kW-and-under AMers, some > > with as low as 8 watts... :) >=20 > There are NO daytime 8 watt allocations, Night yes, > and most of the 'FLEA' power allocations are totally > useless. And stations Do have to adhere to FCC > interference rules so what you say above is not true.=20 >=20 > > So I understand > > stations elsewhere having > > about 1kW, and not really needing more. Hell, I wish > > all but the main > > designated regional and national* stations should be > > reduced back to > > 5kW or less, like it had been in Australia until > > recent times, because > > 5kW was really all you needed to cover your > > community effectively. :) >=20 >=20 > Not correct unless your community is a couple miles. > A lot of the US has very poor soil conductivity unlike > a lot of California and a good bit of the midwest.=20 >=20 >=20 > WSB in Atlanta on 750 BARELY covers its market with > 50,000 watts non directional due to the exceptionally > poor soil conductivity, New York City is just about as > bad.=20=20 >=20 > Powell > These AM signal coverage issues are always so ironic. WHEB-750=20 Portsmouth, NH is no more because the now required night signal grant=20 was rebutted successfully by WSB because someone successfully argued=20 that someone might want to listen to WSB in Portsmouth, NH at night.=20=20 Effectively, in human terms that was the argument. Thus, the 750=20 signal allotment to Portsmouth had to be scrubbed after the frequency=20 was initially turned in to the FCC. WSB must have darn good lawyers. Another irony about the comment about NYC radio stations. There is a=20 section of St Johnsbury, VT along the Passumpsic River where by day=20 only WSTJ comes in. The high-voltage is so bad that it even bleeds=20 through onto FM stations, even WWLR - 91.5 Lyndonville. However, at=20 night WCBS comes in without any loss of signal at all. It's just as=20 loud as WSTJ. Bob - WDEV Waterbury, VT From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon May 07 03:37:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 338 invoked from network); 7 May 2007 10:37:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2007 10:37:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.232) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2007 10:37:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 25617 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2007 10:35:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xUWMzhkVM1kr3Vfur2MdYczOKMhr9rh44ijF3bWM05eLnxYub2Rx.Ol.oOINjMV_99BQDxWtYFJA2YmQ0geboLnoRvUf9Hj_A3.2pRW3MqwrW_N2GcSckGvzh8DqTVOXWIO3THNQDoyHDXfSFYIsflqM9g-- Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 May 2007 03:35:56 PDT Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 03:35:56 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <468824.21572.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=9jeIFJ4j2aVeH3vfPOa1lViyKbiVyL9ZxI0NPY_eJUGo5vWfpZWk X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Which is funny because in R.I. you can't hear WSB @ night most nights, let alone southern N.H.! Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon May 07 09:13:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20010 invoked from network); 7 May 2007 16:13:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2007 16:13:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.162) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2007 16:13:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 92860 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2007 16:10:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kd_Br.gVM1khnsTYyr8ORpAWT6hQtKNZ6uS6XwFLXLhRtD7AOHN3xZ3W9.LNRANuBA-- Received: from [72.241.129.52] by web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 May 2007 09:10:17 PDT Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 09:10:17 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <656829.92373.qm@web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=NvJt8Upu5oY8grTFh2v6Vp_aSQOs8_fRmbRrr_dg96qYcvIe_2f9qNQ X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hi Jeff, As you know, this group is big on LOCAL AM stations, AM Stereo in particular. We're glad you've joined us. Scott is a great resource for engineering in the upper Great Lakes region, and we've got Possum Hunter on the list more towards your way. We've got a 1KW 1600 in Tiffin, Ohio that you probably can't overpower, and one in Ann Arbor, Michigan as well, so we probably can't hear you up here. Nighttime operation is good, as when there is an emergency in your area you will already have staff onhand at the station and then you can resort to daytime power while the emergency is in effect. I've already hear a Canadian station that has done that while a severe thunderstorm was in the area, they announced that they were staying on daytime power until the storms passed. We've love to help you get CQuam stereo on board too! Best of luck - let us know what we can do to help you out. John Jeff Raynor, Owner WXMY Radio Saltville, VA www.1600WXMY. com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon May 07 10:33:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58353 invoked from network); 7 May 2007 17:31:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2007 17:31:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.162) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2007 17:31:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 85542 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2007 17:30:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zmCbRiwVM1numR.RZ9PD8IUVkXTXKM3ItL42NeWl Received: from [209.213.19.25] by web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 May 2007 10:30:27 PDT Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:30:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <513655.84321.qm@web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Y1Q7qm1ts-_bRtHm8j-8vW-MGvg9oIdrZH4IarvWbvI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jotape1960 wrote: > HI GANG!!! > > We, the South America people have more luck than > you: we don't have > the infamous day/night legal difference, we transmit > the same power > all the time, 24 hours a day, all the year, day > and/or night, barely > and legally, hehehehehe!!! But there aren't as many stations as we have. > But the geographic enviroments, in some chilean > areas, eliminate the > theory. Theorically, one 5 KWS station would be able > to cover a 40 > miles around coverage area better than a 1 KWS > station. Mmmm... not > always. I have a 5 KWS station at exactly 40 miles > away from me and > it sounds identical (with the same amount of noise > background) than > the other three 1 KWS station from the same far > city. So, I wonder > if that 5 KWS station owner guy isn't paying more > electricity than he needs. Not really true. The AM ( MW ) band has different characteristics. The very low end will have far better groundwave and get out much more than the mid and upper part of the band. As you go up in frequency, the groundwave is less, and skywave more predominant. WAGL 1560 in Lancaster, SC at 50,000 watts directional, ALWAYS has some skywave component in the signal at 90 miles. So I'd rather have 1000 watts at 540 on the dial than 25,000 watts at 1600. And as you know, the skywave takes a long time in the morning to lessen on the high end of the dial. > Theorically, the TX output power steps (1 - 5 - 10 - > 20 - 50 KWS) > must to mean a noticeable reception difference at > some > predeterminaned geographic distance BUT... not always, not always. You get small differences, though THERE at those smaller increases. Also how efficient the antenna and ground system, position on dial, is very important. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon May 07 10:45:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31800 invoked from network); 7 May 2007 17:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2007 17:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.161) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2007 17:45:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 11834 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2007 17:44:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: j5.tM5kVM1kl1CmHqv6qm3hwZ2FSM74yevxEJb36Bdn7hGgflPm.x3UsEpSuPQ5D0DsRqkZ4YQ-- Received: from [209.213.19.25] by web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 May 2007 10:44:29 PDT Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:44:29 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <874534.10850.qm@web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=bgH6P6rq_UJMFiQaIGhzEbW2XwyuJit8HB9PPUG1UE8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Bob Welch wrote: > These AM signal coverage issues are always so > ironic. WHEB-750 > Portsmouth, NH is no more because the now required > night signal grant > was rebutted successfully by WSB because someone > successfully argued > that someone might want to listen to WSB in > Portsmouth, NH at night. NOT. There is NO requirement for ANY existing station to have night power or go off. There was ( and I don't remember what it was) another reason they turned in the license. The rule is any NEW station had to have substantial (250 watts or more) night power to be put on the air. If what you say is true, then ALL thousands of previous daytimers with night flea power have to go silent. It didn't and isn't happening. > Effectively, in human terms that was the argument. > Thus, the 750 > signal allotment to Portsmouth had to be scrubbed > after the frequency > was initially turned in to the FCC. WSB must have > darn good lawyers. WAS it on the air, or was it a move to 750 ? You don't get call letters assigned to you unless you are going on. Nowdays, I think they could go on. > Another irony about the comment about NYC radio > stations. There is a > section of St Johnsbury, VT along the Passumpsic > River where by day > only WSTJ comes in. The high-voltage is so bad that > it even bleeds > through onto FM stations, even WWLR - 91.5 > Lyndonville. However, at > night WCBS comes in without any loss of signal at > all. It's just as > loud as WSTJ. Then a AC powerline interference complaint needs to be made to the power company. If they do nothing, complain to the ARRL (that's what Riley Hollingsworth at the FCC told me to do). They will get the ball rolling, and if the power company is reluctant to do anything, the FCC has been known to fine power companies substantially. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon May 07 10:53:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60445 invoked from network); 7 May 2007 17:53:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2007 17:53:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.161) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2007 17:53:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 14632 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2007 17:52:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: u726EbgVM1nnfDnOiQy6qnXUF94d_WSS_dW0sW_3WGI3Ye6R10_ZHRm2KLmG.ZxTxFL.Te4pVw-- Received: from [209.213.19.25] by web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 May 2007 10:52:46 PDT Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:52:46 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <656829.92373.qm@web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <773903.13897.qm@web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=I9qBjzuCk2nVtvyE34m_ISwM7XpFJhYUoU3iQ3JqM3Y X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Jeff will love this..... I volunteer at Full Moon Farm in Black Mountain, NC. I get off I-26 at the Hendersonville, NC US 64 exit and head toward Bat Cave, NC. I usually listen to WTZQ on 1600. Well by the time I get to the US 64 / 74 where you turn right to Bat Cave, I turn left and a few hundred feet get on NC 9. At that point WTZQ is hard to listen to and it's maybe 15 miles. At the stop sign, I've gotten Jeff's station in the minor dead spot for WTZQ. Sometimes it's overpowered WTZQ on daytime skip, and this is usually 11 AM. Powell From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon May 07 17:37:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23670 invoked from network); 8 May 2007 00:37:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2007 00:37:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2007 00:37:46 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-26-16.dhcp.embarqhsd.net ([71.55.26.16] helo=[192.168.100.2]) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HlDeP-0005sj-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 07 May 2007 20:33:57 -0400 Message-ID: <463F7D49.4060808@peoplepc.com> Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 15:26:01 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <773903.13897.qm@web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <773903.13897.qm@web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=uMselND8MtAV9_2egbacLoU9uHum_tXOY38GhC60xkkhGIeTql68RuqYRhfkoA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > At the stop > sign, I've gotten Jeff's station in the minor dead > spot for WTZQ. Sometimes it's overpowered WTZQ on > daytime skip, and this is usually 11 AM. When I was doing the Engineering work for WFIS 1600 in Fountain Inn - Simpsonville, SC, WTZQ went from 5KW Directional to 1 KW Non-D and started interfering with WFIS every day in the Northeastern part of our COL. In much of Greenville, WTZQ is so strong, it will quiet out WFIS! When the transmitter (Harris SXIA) blew out the oscillator board taking us off of the air, Listeners were calling about our format change from News/Talk to Nostalgia. Sure enough, I flipped on the radio in our Lobby and there was WTZQ Loud and Proud with a rock solid city grade signal not 50 FEET from the WFIS Tower! When WTZQ was directional, if you were listening to 1600, WFIS would take over right at the State Line on US 25. After the change to Non-D, WFIS doesn't get solid until you are on I-385 at I-85! When we tried to take measurements of our own signal, we couldn't in some directions due to WTZQ. I left WFIS because the owner refused to power-down at night because on Night power, a station in Alabama threw a Stereo signal into the Driveway, and you couldn't hear WFIS unless you were in the parking Lot over the Ground Field Wires! When WFIS is cheating, I can often hear it in Florida where I live now. Kevin From raynor_jeff@yahoo.com Tue May 08 08:38:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: raynor_jeff@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12054 invoked from network); 8 May 2007 15:38:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2007 15:38:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.101) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2007 15:38:56 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n9.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2007 15:37:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2007 15:37:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2007 15:37:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 15:37:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <463F7D49.4060808@peoplepc.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.0.80.147 From: "Jeff Raynor" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=221315206; y=SVcW_W2ipRd_IQev9WWo5BE4bP6kkg5JcrFklF3BSBcIb32sm0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: raynor_jeff Goodness, you guys sure do get around. I've not thought of WFIS for a=20 looong time. One night right after I bought WXMY, we were on the air=20 just a "little bit" after our signoff time doing some testing--some=20 of it at 5000-watts. I know, I know... I probably wasn't supposed to=20 be at full power right after sign off time, but... I got a call from a guy who said he was the owner of WFIS in South=20 Carolina, and that we were interfering with him and to turn that=20 transmitter off--RIGHT NOW!! I told him we were testing--as we had=20 said we were on the air, and as politely as I could, I told him we'd=20 be done when we were finished. I guess if he'd been just a little=20 nicer, I'd have hit the switch right then and there. He growled at me=20 from the time I picked up the phone.=20 About reception in North Carolina, I get calls from a man in=20 Morganton, NC who works for the city government, but used to work=20 part time in radio and still loves to listen and DX. He has called me=20 several times to say he can get me on a "regular basis" at the site=20 where he works. He says we fade in and out, but are there more often=20 than not. Of course, I was delighted to hear that.=20 And, I'm not sure if I put this in another post or not, but please=20 indulge me. I don't process the bee-geebies out of my audio. I start=20 with a good clean copy of a song, make sure the levels are very=20 consistent as it's put on to the hard-drive, and just let it play. My=20 theory is that if audio is good, clean and very consistent in level=20 right out of the hard drive, why do you need to process the he...=20 uh... heck out of it to put it on the air. I talked to a guy recently=20 who just got an Omnia and claims his 1kw is the loudest thing on the=20 dial. I was down the street from his transmitter, and about 20 miles=20 from my own. I still had a better sound than he did. His dynamics=20 were gone and everything had the stuffings squashed out of it. Yeah,=20 he's loud, but I'm louder because my audio has some "personality" to=20 it. I bet some of you would be really suprised what I use for audio=20 processing. It's NRSC complaint and legal, but it's very simple.=20 Oh... and there's only one "box" working on the audio.=20 I do run some gentle processing on my microphones--I have an=20 Auditronics 210 with the mic processors built into the console, and=20 they do just a hint of level riding. My theory is "less is more" when=20 you're on AM. I'd love to have one of those four-barrell Omnia=20 processors, but my guess is I'd not run it "pedal to the metal".=20 Again, just my $.02 worth.=20 And, thanks to all for the reception reports. Yes, I loved it!! Jeff Raynor, Owner WXMY Radio Saltville, VA=20 From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue May 08 10:26:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16315 invoked from network); 8 May 2007 17:25:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2007 17:25:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.159) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2007 17:25:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 48108 invoked by uid 60001); 8 May 2007 17:25:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: EwfrWyEVM1lHSoFmHBLG7.cAZr10b5893sNU_Tm4MhEax1OLv2PYXQcpUvl4DSpuQpiNB2sSfbE.eluh97ACDG_sNk3Yom42wY_flsZinuBeluXi2nY- Received: from [209.213.19.22] by web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 May 2007 10:25:30 PDT Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:25:30 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <766573.46811.qm@web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=y5cRkFJbRCWFrRhBQ01LXHMRA7GHLWpyaLr5CM_RMVU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Jeff Raynor wrote: > Goodness, you guys sure do get around. I've not > thought of WFIS for a > looong time. One night right after I bought WXMY, we > were on the air > just a "little bit" after our signoff time doing > some testing--some > of it at 5000-watts. I know, I know... I probably > wasn't supposed to > be at full power right after sign off time, but... > I got a call from a guy who said he was the owner of > WFIS in South > Carolina, and that we were interfering with him and > to turn that > transmitter off--RIGHT NOW!! I told him we were > testing--as we had > said we were on the air, and as politely as I could, > I told him we'd > be done when we were finished. I guess if he'd been > just a little > nicer, I'd have hit the switch right then and there. > He growled at me > from the time I picked up the phone. He's got a lot of nerve, he NEVER reduces power....ever! WKDK has a new BE AM1A. The Optimod 9100B does the processing. Peaks go to 110% positive, but it's not smushed to the max. The live stream at WKDK.com is off the air from a Radio Shack version copy of a SR. Powell From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue May 08 11:32:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66331 invoked from network); 8 May 2007 18:30:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2007 18:30:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2007 18:30:10 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.106.160.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.106.160]) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HlUFZ-0003Aq-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 08 May 2007 14:17:25 -0400 Message-ID: <4640BC78.9080104@peoplepc.com> Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 14:07:52 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=IrBguORFIkUNFvy-JwbKuAPmQE4f7jaI7F7nYfkiZ3StlxNbxDz0NH3H94D68Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Jeff Raynor wrote: > I got a call from a guy who said he was the owner of WFIS in South > Carolina, and that we were interfering with him and to turn that > transmitter off--RIGHT NOW!! About when was this? The old owner of WFIS was super strict about following every rule the FCC ever cooked up, including some they dropped! The current ownership of WFIS has been known to run it at the Daytime power level of 1000Watts for months at a time. That is one reason I quit...I didn't want to explain to the FCC why the station I was in charge of was operating illegally almost every night! Speaking of WFIS, my offer still stands: I will do all of the engineering needed to install HD-Radio at WDAB 1580 in Traveler's Rest, SC if they run it in the most robust (Widest) Mode. If I could afford it, I would buy the equipment too! > I bet some of you would be really suprised what I use for audio > processing. It's NRSC complaint and legal, but it's very simple. > You have an Innovonics box? The very best sounding Mono station I ever heard was WCRS 1450 running a Kahn Good N Loud box turned down so it was just riding the gain and clipping the peaks. It sounded SWEET with the Nostalgia / Big Band format. Later they had an Innovonics box that almost sounded as good. The last time I was there, they had an Optimod 9200/B. It is a lot louder now, but not syrupy sweet like that Kahn box driving an RCA BTA-1S transmitter. That station's audio was just addictive to listen too. Charlie R Sparks was the best Engineer on the planet. Possum From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue May 08 11:48:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3172 invoked from network); 8 May 2007 18:48:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2007 18:48:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.205) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2007 18:48:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2007 18:45:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2007 18:45:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 18:45:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <766573.46811.qm@web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.49.1 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=RUmiwDzCWmIZhf2Rz4x2VqetaRy3acst91199pcDw4NM2SF1GCOXmEIX3c4FWnwcJy_Wcpqn X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > --- Jeff Raynor wrote: >=20 > > Goodness, you guys sure do get around. I've not > > thought of WFIS for a=20 > > looong time. One night right after I bought WXMY, we > > were on the air=20 > > just a "little bit" after our signoff time doing > > some testing--some=20 > > of it at 5000-watts. I know, I know... I probably > > wasn't supposed to=20 > > be at full power right after sign off time, but... > > I got a call from a guy who said he was the owner of > > WFIS in South=20 > > Carolina, and that we were interfering with him and > > to turn that=20 > > transmitter off--RIGHT NOW!! I told him we were > > testing--as we had=20 > > said we were on the air, and as politely as I could, > > I told him we'd=20 > > be done when we were finished. I guess if he'd been > > just a little=20 > > nicer, I'd have hit the switch right then and there. > > He growled at me=20 > > from the time I picked up the phone.=20 >=20 > He's got a lot of nerve, he NEVER reduces > power....ever!=20 >=20 >=20 > WKDK has a new BE AM1A. The Optimod 9100B does the > processing. Peaks go to 110% positive, but it's not > smushed to the max. The live stream at WKDK.com is off > the air from a Radio Shack version copy of a SR.=20=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell > Hi Powell Yes he dose reduses power at night . He gose off the air.=20 Jim Smith From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue May 08 12:19:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11510 invoked from network); 8 May 2007 19:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2007 19:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2007 19:19:21 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.157.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.157]) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HlVDT-0002Id-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 08 May 2007 15:19:19 -0400 Message-ID: <4640C5AC.2070808@peoplepc.com> Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 14:47:08 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <766573.46811.qm@web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <766573.46811.qm@web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=PixiWXSTjPf6xTsVCnfyRiaWXC9dDq_A9tsRcJOXCSKHntwYjX666Tlbzzgj2g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > He's got a lot of nerve, he NEVER reduces > power....ever! > Ain't that the truth! He even talked to me about upgrading the plant to 5KW illegally! And that is another reason my offer still stands: I will do all of the engineering needed to install HD-Radio at WDAB 1580 in Traveler's Rest, SC if they run it in the most robust (Widest) Mode. If I could afford it, I would buy the equipment too! Kevin From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue May 08 13:01:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15991 invoked from network); 8 May 2007 20:00:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2007 20:00:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2007 20:00:23 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.110.32.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.110.32]) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HlVpU-0007H6-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 08 May 2007 15:58:37 -0400 Message-ID: <4640CFBB.9040409@peoplepc.com> Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 15:30:03 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local areaince X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=I6FHJ4e0SMZ2k502s5GWtXOt3kVINKxfBBj1A8CmKff38FAK2JYj4XTv_EVTyA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jim smith wrote: > Yes he dose reduses power at night . He gose off the air. Since when does WFIS go off the air? I heard it the other night here in Florida! So my offer still stands: I will do all of the engineering needed to install HD-Radio at WDAB 1580 in Traveler's Rest, SC if they run it in the most robust (Widest) Mode. If I could afford it, I would buy the equipment too! Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue May 08 20:14:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38837 invoked from network); 9 May 2007 03:14:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2007 03:14:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34715.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.164) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2007 03:14:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 67944 invoked by uid 60001); 9 May 2007 03:14:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: iWe2fPwVM1kq2UqIAawnxqp8JhU9b7B4yxXIq6jfu4pG_DSsK5AnsIsqGoHtvq4PGdvC7_CDfA-- Received: from [209.213.19.180] by web34715.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 May 2007 20:14:02 PDT Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 20:14:02 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <732071.67324.qm@web34715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=DXESBsvcV-UU70hbNMAVJPqtVYICkh8kTtZC7lYfQgs X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jim smith wrote: > Hi Powell Yes he dose reduses power at night . He > gose off the air. > Jim Smith When something breaks. he is on at night.... Powell From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed May 09 07:59:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54887 invoked from network); 9 May 2007 14:59:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2007 14:59:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2007 14:59:24 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.45.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.45]) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HlnZ0-0001Kk-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 09 May 2007 10:54:47 -0400 Message-ID: <4641CF2B.2030604@peoplepc.com> Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 09:39:55 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <732071.67324.qm@web34715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <732071.67324.qm@web34715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=0E1S3FWBc_sIry2EzlXMhMk0bUA_6R-N-5FPFK9D4bUopNbt23zo_iuTrl0i8w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > When something breaks. he is on at night.... I heard him (WFIS) on last night! Now WRDF got shut down pretty quick for cheating, but WFIS has been getting away with it for YEARS. What's the difference? And that is another reason my offer still stands: I will do all of the engineering needed to install HD-Radio at WDAB 1580 in Traveler's Rest, SC if they run it in the most robust (Widest) Mode. If I could afford it, I would buy the equipment too! Kevin From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed May 09 08:05:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57869 invoked from network); 9 May 2007 15:05:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2007 15:05:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2007 15:05:35 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.45.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.45]) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HlnjS-0003H8-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 09 May 2007 11:05:34 -0400 Message-ID: <4641E367.1040309@peoplepc.com> Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 11:06:15 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <732071.67324.qm@web34715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <732071.67324.qm@web34715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=OdcWtL0dvdd--UHb_c4U2GEKaXWeUVpYlRU7mzKCY0aPIVhE6D97PSKKCdy5gA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > When something breaks. he is on at night.... I heard him (WFIS) on last night! Now WRDF got shut down pretty quick for cheating, but WFIS has been getting away with it for YEARS. What's the difference? And that is another reason my offer still stands: I will do all of the engineering needed to install HD-Radio at WDAB 1580 in Traveler's Rest, SC if they run it in the most robust (Widest) Mode. If I could afford it, I would buy the equipment too! Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed May 09 11:34:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69493 invoked from network); 9 May 2007 18:34:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2007 18:34:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.158) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2007 18:34:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 49938 invoked by uid 60001); 9 May 2007 18:34:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: sXg9.AcVM1nKzthWmNTO2KN2DuAzY4Y5HvcznLniuszNDhMDH2zKYUuwVM0H8RhfP4bnNRdh7A-- Received: from [209.213.18.82] by web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 May 2007 11:34:15 PDT Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 11:34:15 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4641CF2B.2030604@peoplepc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <176563.49606.qm@web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=0oDKFJn1HlkC9ELGNSmWVrQPI5if1-ZX84w01jEflWI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > When something breaks. he is on at > night.... > > I heard him (WFIS) on last night! > Now WRDF got shut down pretty quick for cheating, > but WFIS has been > getting away with it for YEARS. What's the > difference? 1600 is a "regional" and not a (semi) clear channel. And within 200 miles of WFIS it seems no one powers down. WTZQ in Hendersonville does not, and there's a Fayetteville, NC 1600 that doesn't either. Can you hear WTZQ? They might not skip well long due to being surrounded by mountains. Powell From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed May 09 11:54:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24230 invoked from network); 9 May 2007 18:54:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2007 18:54:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.152) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2007 18:54:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 74902 invoked by uid 60001); 9 May 2007 18:54:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: TSh588sVM1krUDI5q_keOOfD84B8dzt8WaC0QtUemw9LKb7Q0noT.q7f7eczQdrY7Th45Gnhr2_9YjX.FCP_NAV5FSh4Ag_PaEl6BysW8SEH1c0- Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 May 2007 11:54:47 PDT Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 11:54:47 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <867116.74273.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=_uz92Cp6gvEu917VlQDJvz092lRvNwO-E4RM1-InskHKHHA4c92qFgo X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hey Powell: Since WKDK has an Optimod 9100B, do they also have a stereo audio chain and broadcast in AM Stereo? John WKDK has a new BE AM1A. The Optimod 9100B does the processing. Peaks go to 110% positive, but it's not smushed to the max. The live stream at WKDK.com is off the air from a Radio Shack version copy of a SR. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed May 09 13:36:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21823 invoked from network); 9 May 2007 20:34:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2007 20:34:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2007 20:34:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 39203 invoked by uid 60001); 9 May 2007 20:33:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: u40N.a0VM1lC71QVJiYfWGjTEB6GXHi6iuG4nyQ5c67_qzOvq0i3VudKuzzprVGYWVKdzE.Lgg-- Received: from [209.213.18.82] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 May 2007 13:33:34 PDT Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 13:33:34 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <867116.74273.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <960272.37381.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=1aPz3nx0m_LympMQ67Mzqa_I2TJcwd4JJY7Gg2T-i6U X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "John P." wrote: > Hey Powell: > Since WKDK has an Optimod 9100B, do they also have a > stereo audio chain > and broadcast in AM Stereo? > John It could be if we had the other card and the AM stereo part of the BE that is no longer standard. On 1240 AM stereo sometimes puts a growl in the radio in stereo. I heard that in St. Augustine. Powell From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed May 09 17:21:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72050 invoked from network); 10 May 2007 00:20:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2007 00:20:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2007 00:20:39 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.221.86]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 171092119-1881964 for ; Wed, 09 May 2007 19:20:37 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <004d01c79299$6a573460$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 19:23:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 1, in=3, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.221.86 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=OMwSBwtofESsVvMBU7PsCdUyIrjfayowlof1hoogPPU2fuL3lY5H X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Dial position has a lot to do with it too. It takes about 10kW at 1600 to get the same range as 500W on 540. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" Theorically, the TX output power steps (1 - 5 - 10 - 20 - 50 KWS) must to mean a noticeable reception difference at some predeterminaned geographic distance BUT... not always, not always. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed May 09 17:41:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92604 invoked from network); 10 May 2007 00:40:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2007 00:40:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2007 00:40:40 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.221.86]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 171095015-1881964 for ; Wed, 09 May 2007 19:38:53 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <009101c7929b$f7c334a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <4640BC78.9080104@peoplepc.com> Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 19:41:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 1, in=4, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.221.86 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=PgUgiWs7XqXH-QLkB4Cx9KOdeJC-rd8V5IRXzwc5oxeiiu7j8rJS X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Getting a little revenge, eh? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > Speaking of WFIS, my offer still stands: > > I will do all of the engineering needed to install HD-Radio at WDAB 1580 > in Traveler's Rest, SC if they run it in the most robust (Widest) Mode. > If I could afford it, I would buy the equipment too! > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed May 09 17:42:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25330 invoked from network); 10 May 2007 00:40:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2007 00:40:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2007 00:40:36 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.221.86]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 174289043-1881964 for ; Wed, 09 May 2007 19:40:30 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <009901c7929c$31efc8a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <186148.67245.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 19:43:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 1, in=2, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.221.86 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=Z4bEuKbanIQeG00NF9IVYnTAwb_J3HHo_D7tELZz679sE2aXyrqL X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude From what I understand it should be able to do 25W no problem. Sort of like killing a gnat with a sledge hammer at that level, but it's handy to have a one box solution. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > > --- Scott Todd wrote: > > > > While you're shopping for transmitters, please ask > > BE if their 4MX-25 will > > do AM stereo and report back to us. > > > And if the 4MX series will go all the way down to 1 > KW. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed May 09 22:45:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72968 invoked from network); 10 May 2007 05:45:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2007 05:45:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.134) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2007 05:45:49 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2007 05:44:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2007 05:44:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2007 05:44:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 05:44:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004d01c79299$6a573460$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.24 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=3aidIKIpEeyZbgjwoB9Y6tYKUG6F5kIZ-wrGauEdL-TfR7DnHg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > Dial position has a lot to do with it too. It takes about 10kW at=20 1600 to > get the same range as 500W on 540. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 Hi Gang!!! I've been thinking about how to get the USA "standard" AM station=20 owners could to understand the chilean and (I guess) great part of the=20 South America reality. And I got an example, a very good example: In the "north pole" of my country, near the boundary with Bolivia,=20 there is an small AM station, 250 WTS, 100% chilean TX, and they work=20 with a LEM 804 chinese mono audio powered mixer, with an internal AGC=20 circuit. So, they feed their TX with the line out of the mixer without=20 any other kind of processing devices. I know their studio place is a=20 fitted up container and the TX is a few meters away from it into=20 another fitted up container. They work with audio cassettes tapes,=20 mini discs, CDs, and a PC with the typical integrated audio sound=20 card. In other words, only consumer products. I don't know how it=20 sounds (I've never been there in my life) but... it is on the air=20 since 8 or 10 years, LEGALLY APPROVED!!! That's our reality. Is there something like this in USA? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu May 10 00:44:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17614 invoked from network); 10 May 2007 07:43:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2007 07:43:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.167) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2007 07:43:17 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n7.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2007 07:43:13 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2007 07:43:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2007 07:43:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 07:43:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.167 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.18.78 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=p1-jHcSMnjVEqVaZwFQhPcRppizzxURu2JoDQobLWxiHF7Sn X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > Is there something like this in USA? Yes. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From raynor_jeff@yahoo.com Thu May 10 07:18:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: raynor_jeff@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75010 invoked from network); 10 May 2007 14:18:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2007 14:18:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11e.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.71) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2007 14:18:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2007 14:18:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2007 14:18:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 14:18:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.0.80.147 From: "Jeff Raynor" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=221315206; y=21uZMhjN1qB3w-FcZ-BHdaKIEmWGRgIw01-5sHGJrnuJ_B_f77g X-Yahoo-Profile: raynor_jeff I'm finding some of the ideas on this thread exceptionally=20 interesting--some of them I agree with, some I scratch my head at.=20 I've had a couple of people email me about what kind of audio=20 processor we use. Let me say again that all of my songs, spots-- everything that plays out of the computer has had some "pre- processing" done to it--to make sure the levels are consistent, some=20 of the songs have been "fattened up" to make them sound better on the=20 air, etc. I'm using a CRL PMC-450 as a standalone. I know some of you are=20 saying "ugh.. CRL", but listen. This is a small market--SMALL market=20 radio station. I'm not making a ton of money here. I don't have $4000=20 to drop on a new Omnia or Optimod or whatever. When you have to "make=20 do with what you have", it's what you do. My audio sounds pretty good=20 on the air. It's not as good as I think it could be, but it does=20 work. We're making 120-124% positive peaks and 99% neg peaks. I'm=20 rather a stickler for level watching on the board. I like the audio=20 coming out of the board to seem like it's been run through something=20 like a good AGC before it even hits the CRL. OK, I know some of you=20 are saying "You're crazy, Jeff" and that's ok. But I find it=20 interesting that my blind friend in Columbia, SC can pull me in on=20 his little table top radio frequently especially in the morning hours- -usually between 6 and 8am. We run a tight 500watts presunrise, and a=20 very tight 5000watts daytime. I fail to understand why operators=20 don't make the product coming out of their automation system very=20 consistent since it's what's playing over and over, day after day. It=20 would seem that making your playlist sound great the first time,=20 would just make it sound great "everytime".=20 Oh... and someone mentioned making 110% peaks out of the transmitter.=20 That's good, but the legal limit is 124% positive and 99% negative.=20 If the speed limit is 65mph, why do you want to be content getting=20 there at 55mph? Just a thought.=20 Thanks again for all those that have written to me off the board.=20 It's great to chat with you.=20 Jeff Raynor, Owner WXMY-1600AM Saltville, VA From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu May 10 07:27:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62034 invoked from network); 10 May 2007 14:27:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2007 14:27:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2007 14:27:25 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.173.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.173]) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Hm9bx-0000gX-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 10 May 2007 10:27:17 -0400 Message-ID: <464272DA.9060706@peoplepc.com> Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 21:18:18 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4640BC78.9080104@peoplepc.com> <009101c7929b$f7c334a0$d503fea9@stodd> In-Reply-To: <009101c7929b$f7c334a0$d503fea9@stodd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=OQPCNLbsiaVSvQIFlfUT3QNtUj5CCtzyf_m3_sFQhw_smM2VgqCZB38JD5vFtQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Scott Todd wrote: > Getting a little revenge, eh? Absolutely NOT! I would NEVER do such a thing. I simply want Greenville's Mexican population to be able to enjoy "High Definition" AM Radio with the best sound possible! Kevin From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu May 10 07:28:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92442 invoked from network); 10 May 2007 14:28:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2007 14:28:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2007 14:28:37 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.173.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.173]) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Hm9cO-0000lJ-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 10 May 2007 10:27:45 -0400 Message-ID: <4643228A.8090508@peoplepc.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 09:47:54 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=LDiva1uO6nKf0mwxAz_5PkJ8ks_iOQCDTaITbXaCosY_WbNfMtTSZbeTRcFKZA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jotape1960 wrote: > They work with audio cassettes tapes, > mini discs, CDs, and a PC with the typical integrated audio sound > card. In other words, only consumer products. I don't know how it > sounds (I've never been there in my life) but... it is on the air > since 8 or 10 years, LEGALLY APPROVED!!! > > That's our reality. > > Is there something like this in USA? WDRF comes to mind! Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu May 10 07:39:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6478 invoked from network); 10 May 2007 14:39:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2007 14:39:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.161) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2007 14:39:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 92295 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2007 14:38:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kEQHAs0VM1nPF4u0oypbogrg4mtMnt2TthixU7liR7L9pysLh.iEDDLVmcyOgcULD8O8pUhbEg-- Received: from [209.213.19.139] by web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 May 2007 07:38:12 PDT Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 07:38:12 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <464272DA.9060706@peoplepc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <420195.91967.qm@web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=MUlxJvlXLmEacIcI7kD58dY6KLIS6yj5rvEHyppDM9s X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Scott Todd wrote: > > Getting a little revenge, eh? > > Absolutely NOT! I would NEVER do such a thing. > > I simply want Greenville's Mexican population to be > able to enjoy "High > Definition" AM Radio with the best sound possible! > And it took me awhile to read what you are really saying. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu May 10 07:52:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25976 invoked from network); 10 May 2007 14:49:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2007 14:49:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2007 14:49:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 44916 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2007 14:48:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: E4PQqJcVM1kOdlpDsSa1LuMWG8QHKRuqib8gby5.ldc99KqBvmO_VQf4Tu_7bvdDFK_YCIvjsw-- Received: from [209.213.19.139] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 May 2007 07:48:17 PDT Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 07:48:17 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <913859.44756.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=rI-igunkmr6czd2OWJ3NY61BOAGAWXGmp6QcjZrF1uw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Jeff Raynor wrote: > I'm finding some of the ideas on this thread > exceptionally > interesting--some of them I agree with, some I > scratch my head at. Le me chime in. > I've had a couple of people email me about what kind > of audio > processor we use. Let me say again that all of my > songs, spots-- > everything that plays out of the computer has had > some "pre- > processing" done to it--to make sure the levels are > consistent, some > of the songs have been "fattened up" to make them > sound better on the > air, etc. WKDK does that with commercial material on the Enco. I do not know if the music is done that way, or just ripped when added to the HD. > I'm using a CRL PMC-450 as a standalone. I know some > of you are > saying "ugh.. CRL", but listen. This is a small > market--SMALL market > radio station. I'm not making a ton of money here. I > don't have $4000 > to drop on a new Omnia or Optimod or whatever. That will get you a downpayment. There is good used on the market though. I have not heard the PMC-450. I have a stereo CRL in my ham radio building, however. >When > you have to "make > do with what you have", it's what you do. My audio > sounds pretty good > on the air. It's not as good as I think it could be, > but it does > work. We're making 120-124% positive peaks and 99% > neg peaks. I'm > rather a stickler for level watching on the board. I > like the audio > coming out of the board to seem like it's been run > through something > like a good AGC before it even hits the CRL. Yes running correct and consistent levels from the board makes the audio processor happier. > OK, I > know some of you > are saying "You're crazy, Jeff" and that's ok. But I > find it > interesting that my blind friend in Columbia, SC can > pull me in on > his little table top radio frequently especially in > the morning hours- > -usually between 6 and 8am. We run a tight 500watts > presunrise, and a > very tight 5000watts daytime. I fail to understand > why operators > don't make the product coming out of their > automation system very > consistent since it's what's playing over and over, > day after day. It > would seem that making your playlist sound great the > first time, > would just make it sound great "everytime". That is true, Jeff !! > Oh... and someone mentioned making 110% peaks out of > the transmitter. That was me and WKDK. That's what the mod monitor says. Now, I haven't looked it up on a scope, so it may be higher. > That's good, but the legal limit is 124% positive > and 99% negative. > If the speed limit is 65mph, why do you want to be > content getting > there at 55mph? Just a thought. My friend set it up and he has that special ear for audio..... I will have to look at the mod monitor and edge the peak flasher up to see what it really says. But it sounds quite good. Powell From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu May 10 08:40:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80827 invoked from network); 10 May 2007 15:40:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2007 15:40:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2007 15:40:16 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.110.16.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.110.16]) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HmAhj-0002uO-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 10 May 2007 11:37:20 -0400 Message-ID: <46433286.3020906@peoplepc.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 10:56:06 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=DVpjxiFNpfpinQF7zXkEG3pnQCHFJPi-On9AKd7ZMwK9INshXBFl_jnxvv_7pw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Jeff Raynor wrote: > Oh... and someone mentioned making 110% peaks out of the transmitter. > That's good, but the legal limit is 124% positive and 99% negative. > If the speed limit is 65mph, why do you want to be content getting > there at 55mph? Just a thought. There are several reasons a Station may not drive the Positive peaks to 125%. Many Tube transmitters simply will not do it. Asymmetrical modulation can cause audio distortion in some types of AM radios. The more you drive the Positive peaks, the more distortion you get. With dense audio, driving your peaks to 125% can make it harder to tune a manual tuned radio to your station. On some formats, the station wants the softer sound of symmetrical modulation. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu May 10 09:01:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60496 invoked from network); 10 May 2007 16:00:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2007 16:00:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.160) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2007 16:00:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 89824 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2007 15:58:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: towPcgYVM1l0k0xHWZlgw0kSkow.Wo2rIW7TfP3BAkfufGkqPbGRpY2RnLowjI7K0SAIqMytPQ-- Received: from [209.213.19.139] by web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 May 2007 08:58:35 PDT Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 08:58:35 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <46433286.3020906@peoplepc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <253220.89685.qm@web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=TS2mLmuH21zS3IijuGjTda26fSAEe_6uojW2UW3-iaw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Jeff Raynor wrote: > > Oh... and someone mentioned making 110% peaks out > of the transmitter. > > That's good, but the legal limit is 124% positive > and 99% negative. > > If the speed limit is 65mph, why do you want to be > content getting > > there at 55mph? Just a thought. > > There are several reasons a Station may not drive > the Positive peaks to > 125%. > > Many Tube transmitters simply will not do it. He has a SX-5. > Asymmetrical modulation can cause audio distortion > in some types of AM > radios. The more you drive the Positive peaks, the > more distortion you get. That's why the FCC set the 125% limit. At 150 % it does get distorted on some envelope detectors. > With dense audio, driving your peaks to 125% can > make it harder to tune > a manual tuned radio to your station. Car radios are now digitally tuned. > On some formats, the station wants the softer sound > of symmetrical modulation. Being on 1600 he needs all he can get. I bet that Atlanta area higher powered station on 1600 gives him fits during critical hours times. Powell From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu May 10 10:05:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66490 invoked from network); 10 May 2007 17:05:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2007 17:05:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2007 17:05:39 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.104.201.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.104.201]) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HmC4l-0002wl-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:05:12 -0400 Message-ID: <46434253.8080803@peoplepc.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 12:03:31 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <913859.44756.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <913859.44756.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=oPd2aT4Db-72kEnvMwnU2zcHks9Tkfirwf_Wi21l4Ida9CoUjb2l6thwCIlbEQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > I have not heard the PMC-450. Listen to WAIM 1230 and you will be listening to one! But, WAIM is driving it with the old CRL AM-4 setup. Kevin From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu May 10 10:15:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79856 invoked from network); 10 May 2007 17:09:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2007 17:09:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2007 17:08:56 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.104.201.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.104.201]) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HmC4a-0002va-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:05:01 -0400 Message-ID: <46434077.7080907@peoplepc.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 11:55:35 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <420195.91967.qm@web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <420195.91967.qm@web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=v-zco5Tm3ZAPmyI02ajt8D-Osl7MkYkEjoW7BNpZx82dLil8P00ZS1GDtqmd3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > And it took me awhile to read what you are really saying. WDAB's overmodulated signal causes "Monkey Chatter" on WFIS in analog when you are in Western Simpsonville and makes the signal hard to listen to in Mauldin. Wonder what 5000 Watts of SHSHSH would sound like? And my offer still stands: I will do all of the engineering needed to install HD-Radio at WDAB 1580 in Traveler's Rest, SC if they run it in the most robust (Widest) Mode. If I could afford it, I would buy the equipment too! Possum From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu May 10 11:55:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11068 invoked from network); 10 May 2007 18:54:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2007 18:54:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2007 18:54:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 32773 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2007 18:54:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HpURs8wVM1kznyzDC4IpVL5lHKbVxfMPZHQd.HTsJWs5dC4xiJUb04.Lz_nGSTFPKLi5cTUs7Q-- Received: from [209.213.19.192] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 May 2007 11:54:49 PDT Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 11:54:49 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <46434077.7080907@peoplepc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <877270.32203.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=rdTwQWw2KzjWacuPeiF3OyucoVFGRwGroh9ne3U0Uso X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > And it took me awhile to read what you are really > saying. > > WDAB's overmodulated signal causes "Monkey Chatter" > on WFIS in analog > when you are in Western Simpsonville and makes the > signal hard to listen > to in Mauldin. Wonder what 5000 Watts of SHSHSH > would sound like? > > And my offer still stands: > > I will do all of the engineering needed to install > HD-Radio at WDAB 1580 > in Traveler's Rest, SC if they run it in the most > robust (Widest) Mode. > If I could afford it, I would buy the equipment too! Do you think they could also get a power increase? Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu May 10 11:56:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46500 invoked from network); 10 May 2007 18:56:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2007 18:56:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.160) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2007 18:56:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 56804 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2007 18:56:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: RBSNkRcVM1mWUBNh42PcCflbtBSWtXzmxpv0WeDObDDJ3FgGYeGWXJMuZAmOq9adefLRDGvHNg-- Received: from [209.213.19.192] by web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 May 2007 11:56:00 PDT Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 11:56:00 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <46434253.8080803@peoplepc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <669952.54821.qm@web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=QzyCUBKZlHOfDzxqbv6fxa5zVUzXaUQTJYI8EOkyr04 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > I have not heard the PMC-450. > > Listen to WAIM 1230 and you will be listening to > one! But, WAIM is > driving it with the old CRL AM-4 setup Still ? They did retire the old tube TX didn't they? Powell From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu May 10 12:13:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29637 invoked from network); 10 May 2007 19:12:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2007 19:12:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2007 19:12:10 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.109.54.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.109.54]) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HmE3F-0006ME-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 10 May 2007 15:11:45 -0400 Message-ID: <46435428.4070308@peoplepc.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 13:19:36 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <253220.89685.qm@web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <253220.89685.qm@web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=Y3C8XsoW9khjCoP-9ZWzTsyHpax-Ang4-6pGP1vmrKrvx9BGSETYH9VTsLvSQg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > Car radios are now digitally tuned. > There are still a TON of manual tuned radios out there. > I bet that Atlanta area higher powered station on 1600 gives him fits during critical hours times. At WFIS there was a 1600 in Alabama that gave us fits in the Evenings and Nights. think they changed freqs now? Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu May 10 12:23:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12073 invoked from network); 10 May 2007 19:23:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2007 19:23:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.163) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2007 19:22:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 40015 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2007 19:22:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dMWTnwwVM1k0soyXPoT684rsCW9MzVTnoBhiHRJYZLcoYLVikXSLbjlm6Oh2LebkZmFDJYqo1A-- Received: from [209.213.19.192] by web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 May 2007 12:22:35 PDT Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 12:22:35 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <46435428.4070308@peoplepc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <284368.35472.qm@web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Speaking of CRL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=B2akA4y9VNddYnmmea74r65b9epzbHp6p2Mq8UNOmGw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I have a SMP-900. It hasn't been used in a long time? What do I look for for proper operation? I guess that would be good to use with my Alfredo verylight. Powell From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu May 10 12:53:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48378 invoked from network); 10 May 2007 19:51:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2007 19:51:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2007 19:51:39 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.110.191.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.110.191]) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HmEff-0002Rq-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 10 May 2007 15:51:28 -0400 Message-ID: <4643755B.4070804@peoplepc.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 15:41:15 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <877270.32203.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <877270.32203.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=v60q4W1L9c5ur927TmU3SU-_3QhGA32WzfiGK__e5uxU9TBuvcBNKAK33bKY6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > Do you think they (WDAB) could also get a power increase? No, tried it when it was WBBR. With WABV 1590 on the 1st and WFIS and WTZQ on the 2nds, they wouldn't get the 5000 Watts they have now under the new rules. They also couldn't get Pre-Sunrise or Post Sunset flea power. But I would be more than happy to install a 50 KW plant there broadcasting HD-Radio Kevin From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu May 10 12:54:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54535 invoked from network); 10 May 2007 19:51:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2007 19:51:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2007 19:51:34 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.110.191.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.110.191]) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HmEfh-0002Rx-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 10 May 2007 15:51:30 -0400 Message-ID: <46437599.5040800@peoplepc.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 15:42:17 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <669952.54821.qm@web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <669952.54821.qm@web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=qnwMSUxgDWunuB6800kMAijbYq0KeVSbTvwSi1ZoPGFvmeO4eqPCYhQGSUSgeg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > Still ? They did retire the old tube TX didn't they? Yup! Old CRLs, New BE transmitter. Kevin From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu May 10 16:38:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96597 invoked from network); 10 May 2007 23:38:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2007 23:38:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2007 23:38:57 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.221.33]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 174547196-1881964 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 18:38:55 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <006701c7935c$c3975e60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <284368.35472.qm@web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 18:41:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 3, in=2, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.221.33 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Speaking of CRL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=NovXmniR93GDW_B0B5-AlmWnuDqsolyrL6nmIDNx941lp7fWQDIY X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If it hasn't had the caps shotgunned then I'd not even try to use it. The adjustments would all drift as the caps dry out. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > > I have a SMP-900. It hasn't been used in a long > time? What do I look for for proper operation? > > > I guess that would be good to use with my Alfredo > verylight. > > Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu May 10 17:26:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23134 invoked from network); 11 May 2007 00:26:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2007 00:26:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.163) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2007 00:26:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 39225 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 2007 00:26:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wNr0tzcVM1nyURTfTWlxoMwG.mun9I5qguEMXxa9t8vDQxB7.bEhNAFUZQueOYLHjQ-- Received: from [209.213.19.68] by web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:26:35 PDT Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 17:26:35 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006701c7935c$c3975e60$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <684330.38691.qm@web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Speaking of CRL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=zKFP1_1OLK1uxkATxeztqpaaH4sJxPEZpbivYJYER8w X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Scott Todd wrote: > If it hasn't had the caps shotgunned then I'd not > even try to use it. The > adjustments would all drift as the caps dry out. > Scott Todd Yeah, but it's not going on the air on a commercial station. There's no danger of destroying anything is there? I don't have the money to shotgun it right now. I don't even know if my vision is good enough for ME to do it.... Powell From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu May 10 23:04:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56003 invoked from network); 11 May 2007 06:00:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2007 06:00:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.111) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2007 06:00:07 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n12.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2007 06:00:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2007 06:00:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2007 06:00:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 06:00:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <46435428.4070308@peoplepc.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.111 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.96 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=vMbSQUQ1CaqtuC5OGXj4T0ZqMByWfGrkaZKFibhv8dYPqpFfQg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter=20 wrote: > > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > Car radios are now digitally tuned.=20 > >=20=20=20 >=20 > There are still a TON of manual tuned radios out there. >=20 >=20 > > I bet that Atlanta area higher powered station on 1600 gives him=20 fits during critical hours times. >=20 > At WFIS there was a 1600 in Alabama that gave us fits in the=20 Evenings=20 > and Nights. think they changed freqs now? >=20 > Kevin > Even worst, most of the today digital AM tuners have a very narrow=20 audio band and the distortion due to the asymmetrical overmodulation=20 is more listenable in the mid and low range!!! I have to recognize I=20 don't understand why but... this kind of distortion is IN the tuner=20 not in the TX. We must to think about the RF interference into the telephonic lines=20 and, even, the AC power lines is directly related to the=20 overmodulation: more overmodulation =3D more interference. The best sound I got from our old McMartin (vacuum tubes) TX was=20 when I put only 70% of positive and negative peak modulation. But I=20 got with and old UREI BL-40 peak limiter, we don't use it now. Of=20 course, that beautiful sound has a problem: a little coverage area. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu May 10 23:42:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47754 invoked from network); 11 May 2007 06:42:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2007 06:42:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.209) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2007 06:42:25 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2007 06:41:49 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2007 06:41:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2007 06:41:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 06:41:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.96 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=JTRbh0tATFEn_ECATbmaPIYlp_RaCbR3K023WPCgcI2Hj8RG0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Raynor"=20 wrote: > > I'm finding some of the ideas on this thread exceptionally=20 > interesting--some of them I agree with, some I scratch my head at.=20 >=20 > I've had a couple of people email me about what kind of audio=20 > processor we use. Let me say again that all of my songs, spots-- > everything that plays out of the computer has had some "pre- > processing" done to it--to make sure the levels are consistent,=20 some=20 > of the songs have been "fattened up" to make them sound better on=20 the=20 > air, etc. > I'm using a CRL PMC-450 as a standalone. I know some of you are=20 > saying "ugh.. CRL", but listen. This is a small market--SMALL=20 market=20 > radio station. I'm not making a ton of money here. I don't have=20 $4000=20 > to drop on a new Omnia or Optimod or whatever. When you have=20 to "make=20 > do with what you have", it's what you do. My audio sounds pretty=20 good=20 > on the air. It's not as good as I think it could be, but it does=20 > work. We're making 120-124% positive peaks and 99% neg peaks. I'm=20 > rather a stickler for level watching on the board. I like the=20 audio=20 > coming out of the board to seem like it's been run through=20 something=20 > like a good AGC before it even hits the CRL. OK, I know some of=20 you=20 > are saying "You're crazy, Jeff" and that's ok. But I find it=20 > interesting that my blind friend in Columbia, SC can pull me in on=20 > his little table top radio frequently especially in the morning=20 hours- > -usually between 6 and 8am. We run a tight 500watts presunrise,=20 and a=20 > very tight 5000watts daytime. I fail to understand why operators=20 > don't make the product coming out of their automation system very=20 > consistent since it's what's playing over and over, day after day.=20 It=20 > would seem that making your playlist sound great the first time,=20 > would just make it sound great "everytime".=20 >=20 > Oh... and someone mentioned making 110% peaks out of the=20 transmitter.=20 > That's good, but the legal limit is 124% positive and 99%=20 negative.=20 > If the speed limit is 65mph, why do you want to be content getting=20 > there at 55mph? Just a thought.=20 >=20 > Thanks again for all those that have written to me off the board.=20 > It's great to chat with you.=20 >=20 > Jeff Raynor, Owner > WXMY-1600AM > Saltville, VA > Hi Jeff!!! We use pre-processing material too. We use "Cool Edit Pro". I have a=20 consumer class Creative SoundBlaster Live! 5.1 PC Sound Card into my=20 PC in my personal little recording studio, but I use some=20 transformers (adapters) to connect it to my mixer, and old Tascam M- 208, in perfect state!!! One of my jobs here is, precisely, record=20 music with that kind of pre-processing (mostly noise reduction). I think the ideal system would be a PC with a professional audio=20 card and a software to get real time multiband audio processing. But=20 I don't know if that kind of software/machine exists. I know we can=20 make it with an audio file (Cool Edit Pro) but it isn't a real time=20 operation. Even more, if that system exists, maybe is on the great expensive=20 price area. My personal and limited experience tell me it isn't a good idea=20 forget some basic and old electronic rules: 1) Beware with the input/output impedance. Most of the PC sound=20 cards have consumer levels (unbalanced 10Kohms input/output); most=20 of the processors/stereo generators/STLs/TXs have pro levesl=20 (balanced 600 ohms input/output). I've heard some colleagues with a=20 great hum noise problem due to that. 2) Beware with the real input/output volt levels. Again, most of the=20 PC sound cards have consumer levels. 3) Knowing the risk to be treated as a very old/ancient/old- fashioned man, I prefer the old 600 ohms balanced input/output WITH=20 physical transformers. Is a very best way to filter some kind of=20 noisy enviroments. 4) I don't know if it is only a chilean problem but we often have AC=20 power line volt level and cycle problems. A very good AC=20 limiter/regulator is always a precious "diamond". and... 5) If you are the boss, try to not compress excessively!!! Let the=20 music sounds. Of course, ev'rybody knows the boss is often wrong=20 HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From raynor_jeff@yahoo.com Fri May 11 05:38:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: raynor_jeff@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11922 invoked from network); 11 May 2007 12:37:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2007 12:37:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web35912.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.179.196) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2007 12:37:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 47842 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 2007 12:36:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: M8kxFfkVM1ld6nsscz8iwQh_v.If.Ooy1gDXyREzdwd7Ns9.MBuTN7DZTaWP64ljXOheCMPSkCe_N4XRnhYlSWXBisZHrx3XLyDGAhJWJpjECqZpFVE- Received: from [71.0.80.147] by web35912.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 May 2007 05:36:58 PDT Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 05:36:58 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <531570.47304.qm@web35912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.179.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio Reply-To: Jeff@1600WXMY.com Subject: Re: Speaking of CRL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=221315206; y=onMF37jPgvh0Nzki3QRThnRtPK5mEzwj8vF27PX_sqIDO-9AQFQ X-Yahoo-Profile: raynor_jeff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The last time I checked, you can send your old box into CRL and they will make it as good as new for about $300 or $350.00. Reason I know is: A few years ago, I had an "engineer" (notice that's in quotes) who reported a lightning hit and even showed me the black marks on the rack to prove it. Yeah, well... Anyway, he told me the PMC-450 was history and needed to be replaced. I borrowed another box to use temporarily and let him "take the CRL home to check it out." He kept it and kept it and finally I wanted to know what was going on. He gave me alot of umm's and uhh's and told me is didn't work and why didn't I just let him dumpster it. I was suspicious and for good cause. I immediately got online and found that CRL would completely rebuild the box for about $300. I think they still offer this today. It's worth checking out! Oh, and the "engineer"?? I told him I'd be by his house to pick up the CRL and his keys and told him he'd be trespassing if he ever showed his face at my station again. I'm not a rocket scientist, but I'm not a stupid idiot either. Jeff Raynor, Owner WXMY Radio Jeff Raynor www.1600WXMY.com www.VoiceofJeff.com P.O. Box 5555 Chilhowie, VA 24319 276-496-0016 276-496-0005-fax --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From raynor_jeff@yahoo.com Fri May 11 05:47:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: raynor_jeff@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27601 invoked from network); 11 May 2007 12:47:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2007 12:47:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web35914.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.179.198) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2007 12:47:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 5243 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 2007 12:47:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: EUkSR9IVM1kS5dnHr6E8DtkEKBcmJPAHOv3uXLVKYECAs09sBxn.5SutNvYOsp5pmMe8AjO1pPGJqFW14GCXy4uazeeocqXdAOuac.uwQs4Pi.B507U- Received: from [71.0.80.147] by web35914.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 May 2007 05:47:22 PDT Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 05:47:22 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <197643.3784.qm@web35914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.179.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio Reply-To: Jeff@1600WXMY.com Subject: Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=221315206; y=CBwytrsRSZ6X_W1NKw7ii1OEl-Vn61rzSYWrBADQys0vkiGhPb0 X-Yahoo-Profile: raynor_jeff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, Yes, buddy. You and I do think the same way. We also use Adobe Audition, upgraded from the old Cool Edit to put everything into our computer. We use Antex professional soundcards, too. The one in the Automation computer has balanced stereo outputs and can play multiple streams and has two record inputs. It cost me a couple thousand dollars six years ago when I bought it (as I recall). I also have some Antex sound cards in the production setup. I do some recording on the side and have an Auditronics 501 console that I do lots of production on for the station, too. I love the sound of the 501 console--good mic pre's and great EQ section. Balanced out of the board to the balanced in of the audio card. I have absolutely NO hum in any of my production. I have good grounds that I had a commercial electrician install. And, my studios sit no more than 30 feet from my transmitter. My on air console is an Auditronics 201 and we try to use equipment with balanced outputs whenever we can. I think we have a cassette deck that's unbalanced out, but run it through one of those Henry matchboxes to input to the board. I really have no trouble at all. Oh, and if any of you look at the pictures of the station on my website, you will see an old Arrakis console in the air studio. It's gone--sold on Ebay. I got the Auditronics 201 a couple of months ago and we're waiting on finishing the custom table to get installed before we update the pics on the web. Oh... one more thing. Yes, the Atlanta station does give me fits sometimes during critical hours, but my upgrade will allow me to have 23kW during daytime and critical hours, so I'm believing that will cure some of my problems. As far as the "wonder could they upgrade" question... you never know unless you do field strength measurements youself. Hire a good consulting engineer with his little field strength meter and let him do the calculations. I never believed we could get 23kW, but taking multiple radial readings on both us and other stations told us differently! Well. Now that I've preached today's sermon, I guess it's time to take up the offering. I'm passing the plate to raise funds to purchase a new Omnia... or Optimod... or something... hehe. Thanks, guys. Jeff Raynor, Owner WXMY Radio Jeff Raynor www.1600WXMY.com www.VoiceofJeff.com P.O. Box 5555 Chilhowie, VA 24319 276-496-0016 276-496-0005-fax --------------------------------- Give spam the boot. Take control with tough spam protection in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri May 11 07:05:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49899 invoked from network); 11 May 2007 14:05:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2007 14:05:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.161) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2007 14:05:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 39160 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 2007 14:05:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: e3uPYoYVM1nAV24pGkpAOQ6Jy65GdC53QlbXIZdcczMfUvkQWRr_qJ.Y.n31Z_0OPMWaqnMZyw-- Received: from [209.213.19.131] by web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:05:32 PDT Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 07:05:32 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <151360.38649.qm@web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=P_uTShk5uB5Vny-i99V6FpxEgAjiZHr7X-pLYosl1Uk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jotape1960 wrote: > Even worst, most of the today digital AM tuners have > a very narrow > audio band and the distortion due to the > asymmetrical overmodulation > is more listenable in the mid and low range!!! It's only overmodulation if you try to go past 99% negative . It's not really overmodulation if your transmitter can do the high positive peaks...... but very high positive peaks get distorted by envelope dectectors. Synchronous detectors don't have that problem. Unfortunately we do not see that in very many consumer radios and it should be. It would make some ills associated with AM go away....such as deep selective fades won't be so hard to listen to. > I > have to recognize I > don't understand why but... this kind of distortion > is IN the tuner not in the TX. That's true unless you are trying to get the TX to do something it cannot do. > We must to think about the RF interference into the > telephonic lines > and, even, the AC power lines is directly related to > the > overmodulation: more overmodulation = more > interference. NO it is NOT. > The best sound I got from our old McMartin (vacuum > tubes) TX was > when I put only 70% of positive and negative peak > modulation. But I > got with and old UREI BL-40 peak limiter, we don't > use it now. Of > course, that beautiful sound has a problem: a little > coverage area. That's because you aren't loud enough. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri May 11 07:13:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99564 invoked from network); 11 May 2007 14:13:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2007 14:13:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2007 14:13:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 14006 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 2007 14:13:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: jssxP18VM1lSx4SK97AU89iPQHWcDpsW51DmXUULeBedgx6y0JEc_fpgs8RUb5QTP_PGOI1Vtw-- Received: from [209.213.19.131] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:13:06 PDT Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 07:13:06 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <835952.13963.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=FVS89DJXQJXZ0f2ShGDpNhxwnfrULKUk6aHr90-uqgM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jotape1960 wrote: > I think the ideal system would be a PC with a > professional audio > card and a software to get real time multiband audio > processing. But > I don't know if that kind of software/machine > exists. Orban has a PC card audio processor, but it's intended to process stuff coming OUT of the computer, and I don't know if it will work as you say, but you could email Bob Orban. > Even more, if that system exists, maybe is on the > great expensive price area. It may be. > My personal and limited experience tell me it isn't > a good idea forget some basic and old electronic rules: > > 1) Beware with the input/output impedance. Most of > the PC sound > cards have consumer levels (unbalanced 10Kohms > input/output); most > of the processors/stereo generators/STLs/TXs have > pro levesl > (balanced 600 ohms input/output). I've heard some > colleagues with a > great hum noise problem due to that. There are devices to match the two together. > 2) Beware with the real input/output volt levels. > Again, most of the PC sound cards have consumer levels. True. > 3) Knowing the risk to be treated as a very > old/ancient/old- > fashioned man, I prefer the old 600 ohms balanced > input/output WITH > physical transformers. Is a very best way to filter > some kind of noisy enviroments. 600 ohms is broadcast standard. > 4) I don't know if it is only a chilean problem but > we often have AC > power line volt level and cycle problems. A very > good AC > limiter/regulator is always a precious "diamond". In stress conditions line voltage can drop. If the frequency deviates very far from standard, your power company could get knocked off grid, if it's a major producer, that could cause a cascading regional blackout........ as has happened before, but it's rare. > and... > > 5) If you are the boss, try to not compress > excessively!!! Let the > music sounds. Of course, ev'rybody knows the boss is > often wrong > HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Looking at the mod monitor of some FM stations the needle sits at 99% and never moves. GAG! Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri May 11 07:18:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27673 invoked from network); 11 May 2007 14:18:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2007 14:18:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2007 14:18:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 98508 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 2007 14:18:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZNdfgjUVM1kN7gAXKRggnc5alqsTnBYc3yeQ2t54r1lApYdPTMwAFA_2J58oZfAtsCo.zz52Zw-- Received: from [209.213.19.131] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:18:18 PDT Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 07:18:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <531570.47304.qm@web35912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <994013.98179.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Speaking of CRL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=tY4_v7xhQFrAsUUoJ8te4TTDNvO5IjPq726Vw6e55bM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio wrote: > The last time I checked, you can send your old box > into CRL and they will make it as good as new for > about $300 or $350.00. Which I don't have right now. > Reason I know is: > A few years ago, I had an "engineer" (notice > that's in quotes) who reported a lightning hit and > even showed me the black marks on the rack to prove > it. Yeah, well... > Anyway, he told me the PMC-450 was history and > needed to be replaced. I borrowed another box to use > temporarily and let him "take the CRL home to check > it out." > He kept it and kept it and finally I wanted to > know what was going on. He gave me alot of umm's and > uhh's and told me is didn't work and why didn't I > just let him dumpster it. > I was suspicious and for good cause. I immediately > got online and found that CRL would completely > rebuild the box for about $300. I think they still > offer this today. It's worth checking out! Oh, and > the "engineer"?? I told him I'd be by his house to > pick up the CRL and his keys and told him he'd be > trespassing if he ever showed his face at my station > again. I'm not a rocket scientist, but I'm not a > stupid idiot either. True. A friend of mine had a late model (not the current one) FM Optimod [ the first one with DSP and computer stuff ] that at one of his stations got hit by lightning. Orban said it was too costly to fix and sent it back. So he got it. In his spare time he rebuilt it. He said, YES, at Orban's repair rate it was. His time was his time, and he was capable of doing the work. I think he finally sold it to someone in dire need of a processor, or used it as a loaner. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri May 11 07:33:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35105 invoked from network); 11 May 2007 14:32:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2007 14:32:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2007 14:32:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 3195 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 2007 14:32:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: m1RjynwVM1ntqRDi9oGmvLuU0waNkY8KmPS4qoo4IoRMbPOQR_ABy7siRsLPFOEXdSoJzRhA7Q-- Received: from [209.213.19.131] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:32:40 PDT Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 07:32:40 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <197643.3784.qm@web35914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <656925.97175.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=91mjNEPqzk7KuivP1GclasFrsdj1BmaEdEJktQ7DIQc X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio wrote: > Oh, and if any of you look at the pictures of the > station on my website, you will see an old Arrakis > console in the air studio. It's gone--sold on Ebay. > I got the Auditronics 201 a couple of months ago and > we're waiting on finishing the custom table to get > installed before we update the pics on the web. At WKDK I can lean out the control room window and almost touch the tower. That's the way the station was set up in 1946. Replacing the ground system would be impossible. In the station as you can imagine, the RF field is great. They originally had so much trouble with RF when it signed on the control room is covered (except for windows) in a mesh of copper screen in the walls. If you walk in there with a portable AM radio (when the station is off) the radio station you are listening to gets very weak !! In the production room it's HOT RF wise, but with the LPB board and even some consumer CD players there's not a whisper of RF. AT&T's RF proofing on modern phone systems manual has a lot of info they learned from putting a system in there. Not a whit of interference in the Enco. Enco is a rather expensive system, but for all the stuff they do as does WCAM and WPUB it was THE only system that would do what they needed ..... in ONE box. > Oh... one more thing. Yes, the Atlanta station > does give me fits sometimes during critical hours, > but my upgrade will allow me to have 23kW during > daytime and critical hours, so I'm believing that > will cure some of my problems. And you can give them fits...ha ha! Going to a taller tower, would help too. > As far as the "wonder could they upgrade" > question... you never know unless you do field > strength measurements youself. Hire a good > consulting engineer with his little field strength > meter and let him do the calculations. I never > believed we could get 23kW, but taking multiple > radial readings on both us and other stations told > us differently! That's true. At 7:30 this morning I didn't hear you...just a jumble of stations and a hint of the Atlanta area station. Powell From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri May 11 09:09:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4942 invoked from network); 11 May 2007 16:08:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2007 16:08:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2007 16:08:16 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.110.165.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.110.165]) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HmXfD-000140-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:08:15 -0400 Message-ID: <4644849B.1010601@peoplepc.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 10:58:35 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=mdOLW0R4wRnRg3UUUqyrtwtchKhkXgLqMYR2Itam0oor0cKXHZ8iqEWXGEmrUg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jotape1960 wrote: > The best sound I got from our old McMartin (vacuum tubes) TX was > when I put only 70% of positive and negative peak modulation. McMartin is not the best sounding transmitter on earth for sure. My RCA BTA1R1 sounds sweet even at full 99%- Modulation > But I got with and old UREI BL-40 peak limiter, we don't use it now. I like the sound of my BL-40. I Drive it with a DAP-310 and it is pretty loud and sounds good too. Kevin From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri May 11 10:40:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24728 invoked from network); 11 May 2007 17:40:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2007 17:40:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2007 17:40:44 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.105.87.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.105.87]) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HmZ6d-00041C-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 11 May 2007 13:40:40 -0400 Message-ID: <46449E8D.1050806@peoplepc.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 12:49:17 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <197643.3784.qm@web35914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <197643.3784.qm@web35914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=ZWEyxV_mdR2dR2Nr6ROxe9sE4gw364LBOyjqLfvGJ_TJSkdyUzozQjYQvjxcgQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio wrote: > Well. Now that I've preached today's sermon, I guess it's time to take up the offering. I'm passing the plate to raise funds to purchase a new Omnia... or Optimod... or something... hehe. > You MIGHT be joking, but when I worked at WCKI 1300, the preacher that owned it would go around asking employees for donations when we needed equipment! LOL Kevin From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri May 11 10:40:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14066 invoked from network); 11 May 2007 17:40:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2007 17:40:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2007 17:40:38 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.105.87.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.105.87]) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HmZ6b-00040l-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 11 May 2007 13:40:37 -0400 Message-ID: <46449D1F.6060608@peoplepc.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 12:43:11 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <531570.47304.qm@web35912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <531570.47304.qm@web35912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Speaking of CRL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=rBT5YYj5y7x7pkm_d0_U17y5VGdzvVPMCRQNuh43H2NXocy7hcOSrQh9urC3vg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio wrote: > Oh, and the "engineer"?? I told him I'd be by his house to pick up the CRL and his keys and told him he'd be trespassing if he ever showed his face at my station again. I'm not a rocket scientist, but I'm not a stupid idiot either. > LOL! Yea there is an "Engineer" going around the stations in Upstate SC that does this. I think he has sold the same boxes to several stations over the years, even some stations buying their old boxes back! I tried to warn a station owner about him one time and he thought it was just Sour Grapes on my part. Oh well, no skin off of my nose! Possum From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri May 11 12:56:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55185 invoked from network); 11 May 2007 19:56:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2007 19:56:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2007 19:56:53 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.109.193.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.109.193]) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HmbES-0000lH-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 11 May 2007 15:56:52 -0400 Message-ID: <4644BECA.7050808@peoplepc.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 15:06:50 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=Tudq1hYjZTC0xV6ckOagzrsyrQOw1u9FLbPYMps3ZsfjbK2y0CpnWF9BBJAEzQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jotape1960 wrote: > I think the ideal system would be a PC with a professional audio > card and a software to get real time multiband audio processing. But > I don't know if that kind of software/machine exists. You can get a Multiband processor plug-in for WINAMP that is made for broadcast use. Kevin From raynor_jeff@yahoo.com Sat May 12 13:22:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: raynor_jeff@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26993 invoked from network); 12 May 2007 20:22:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2007 20:22:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web35908.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.179.192) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2007 20:22:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 8106 invoked by uid 60001); 12 May 2007 20:21:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XU9MqLsVM1ml2FUXLBHgtyqj4e0njewY7dnQSwqn1sPLYSoQGh9nL58q5bVlG4QBk1tuCtArfCKhLQoc0u_MN13an3hz2iTs07PzKeH2._h7B24Ga_M- Received: from [71.0.80.147] by web35908.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 May 2007 13:21:36 PDT Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 13:21:36 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <55402.8059.qm@web35908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.179.192 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio Reply-To: Jeff@1600WXMY.com Subject: Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=221315206; y=yXUUzuOXp0kDs5QRtzhLiL8jCh8WeJOE6Vs8hhFU2pQsYuQqnVk X-Yahoo-Profile: raynor_jeff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Speaking of RF getting into the equipment in a station.... Some of you guys who are more "tekkie" than I am... answer a question for me. I think I already know the answer based upon numerous times of "doing it" and having excellent results. It's about RF in the phone lines. I read somewhere a loooong time ago, and have believed for a long time that if you use twisted pair phone wire, you'll get the RF out of a phone line. Some of the phone lines in this area are ancient, and the fact that they're maintained by Sprint (trying not to gag here), there are lots of complaints of RF in the phone lines. I've supplied lots of people with two-pair twisted phone cable (I bought 3 boxes of it at 1000 feet a box) and let people have it to rewire their phones if they want to. I've had more than one person tell me that twisted pair will eat RF like a crazy. It even worked here at this place when I bought it. There was the old timey two pair, non-twisted. I ripped it all out, installed an AT&T Partner system and used all twisted pair--even coming in from the demarc. We have had NO problems with RF here at the station and a guy up the road, who didn't believe me when I told him to do it, now swears that what I told him solved the problem. I told the phone guys here but they say "nope, it's us putting filters on that makes it go away." Just curious as to what you guys think. It's worked for me about 100% of the time. Jeff Raynor www.1600WXMY.com www.VoiceofJeff.com P.O. Box 5555 Chilhowie, VA 24319 276-496-0016 276-496-0005-fax --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat May 12 16:58:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79748 invoked from network); 12 May 2007 23:58:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2007 23:58:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2007 23:58:03 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.52]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 171871595-1881964 for ; Sat, 12 May 2007 18:58:02 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <005001c794f1$c62fd080$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <994013.98179.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 19:00:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 4, in=4, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.52 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Speaking of CRL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=llzVDXNTI0Xe8zFJuFlLxWwshnE_eUmSzQ3cBERxJs5Sr5ig1Y8h X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'll bet you could get all the caps you need for that project for less than $25 from Mouser. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > > --- Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio > wrote: > > > The last time I checked, you can send your old box > > into CRL and they will make it as good as new for > > about $300 or $350.00. > > Which I don't have right now. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat May 12 17:34:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58084 invoked from network); 13 May 2007 00:34:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2007 00:34:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2007 00:34:02 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.52]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 173069098-1881964 for ; Sat, 12 May 2007 19:33:55 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <009d01c794f6$c9d084a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <55402.8059.qm@web35908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 19:36:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.52 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=ZhROV4WoD5HApq6Z365mLDqWs1mN-VppRZDX8NmxGX1T_xOLQCz_ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude We use all sorts of cat-5 for audio wiring to the terminal blocks which share the same room with the transmitters. Yes, it's not your imagination, that cat-5 works so well. That's not to say there may not be times where a filter is called for, but it won't be very often. Also look for loose and corroded connections. The reason the old untwisted wires are so susceptible is that the radio waves typically hit one wire before the other because of the diameter of the wire and the insulation on them. As fast as radio waves travel, there's still a finite amount of time between when it hits the various conductors. Modern unshielded twisted pair (UTP) nearly eliminates the problem. They use much smaller gauge wire and the insulation on it is very thin yet can withstand a few hundred volts. Plus the twisting creates opposing currents when it comes to outside interference. The field hits wire A before wire B on one part of the cable, and hits wire B before A on another part. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio" > Speaking of RF getting into the equipment in a station.... > > Some of you guys who are more "tekkie" than I am... answer a question for me. I think I already know the answer based upon numerous times of "doing it" and having excellent results. > > It's about RF in the phone lines. I read somewhere a loooong time ago, and have believed for a long time that if you use twisted pair phone wire, you'll get the RF out of a phone line. Some of the phone lines in this area are ancient, and the fact that they're maintained by Sprint (trying not to gag here), there are lots of complaints of RF in the phone lines. I've supplied lots of people with two-pair twisted phone cable (I bought 3 boxes of it at 1000 feet a box) and let people have it to rewire their phones if they want to. I've had more than one person tell me that twisted pair will eat RF like a crazy. It even worked here at this place when I bought it. There was the old timey two pair, non-twisted. I ripped it all out, installed an AT&T Partner system and used all twisted pair--even coming in from the demarc. > > We have had NO problems with RF here at the station and a guy up the road, who didn't believe me when I told him to do it, now swears that what I told him solved the problem. I told the phone guys here but they say "nope, it's us putting filters on that makes it go away." Just curious as to what you guys think. It's worked for me about 100% of the time. From bob_welch550@yahoo.com Sat May 12 17:44:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: bob_welch550@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69280 invoked from network); 13 May 2007 00:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2007 00:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.205) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2007 00:44:47 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2007 00:44:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2007 00:44:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 00:44:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <874534.10850.qm@web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.19.95.58 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213592090; y=5iSOp2iL219JSiTXDNyVm9OQoGJE7m5y1L37wrBQXAniLNevp5TQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > --- Bob Welch wrote: > > These AM signal coverage issues are always so > > ironic. WHEB-750=20 > > Portsmouth, NH is no more because the now required > > night signal grant=20 > > was rebutted successfully by WSB because someone > > successfully argued=20 > > that someone might want to listen to WSB in > > Portsmouth, NH at night.=20=20 >=20 > NOT.=20 >=20 > There is NO requirement for ANY existing station to > have night power or go off. There was ( and I don't > remember what it was) another reason they turned in > the license. The rule is any NEW station had to have > substantial (250 watts or more) night power to be put > on the air. If what you say is true, then ALL > thousands of previous daytimers with night flea power > have to go silent. It didn't and isn't happening.=20 >=20 >=20 I'm sorry... I should have said the frequency that once was WHEB=20 before the owner dropped the AM at 750. Word was someone wanted to=20 re-surect the frequency after it had gone dark for a few years and=20 that's the reason why it is still dark and likely always will be. Bob >=20 > > Effectively, in human terms that was the argument.=20 > > Thus, the 750=20 > > signal allotment to Portsmouth had to be scrubbed > > after the frequency=20 > > was initially turned in to the FCC. WSB must have > > darn good lawyers. >=20 >=20 > WAS it on the air, or was it a move to 750 ? You don't > get call letters assigned to you unless you are going > on. Nowdays, I think they could go on.=20 >=20=20 > > Another irony about the comment about NYC radio > > stations. There is a=20 > > section of St Johnsbury, VT along the Passumpsic > > River where by day=20 > > only WSTJ comes in. The high-voltage is so bad that > > it even bleeds=20 > > through onto FM stations, even WWLR - 91.5 > > Lyndonville. However, at=20 > > night WCBS comes in without any loss of signal at > > all. It's just as=20 > > loud as WSTJ. >=20 > Then a AC powerline interference complaint needs to be > made to the power company. If they do nothing, > complain to the ARRL (that's what Riley Hollingsworth > at the FCC told me to do). They will get the ball > rolling, and if the power company is reluctant to do > anything, the FCC has been known to fine power > companies substantially. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell > From raynor_jeff@yahoo.com Sun May 13 07:52:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: raynor_jeff@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57956 invoked from network); 13 May 2007 14:52:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2007 14:52:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web35908.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.179.192) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2007 14:52:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 6585 invoked by uid 60001); 13 May 2007 14:52:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7grxoyAVM1k4V9HECnZZuka2E06ltf4pJzIqUgtsWQIN.tFPR7dYl8KIkNaVnqsD.QhZxQ2yGzdn872J4n2L9cNyV9WEkzj0_xrkbkXvzj0Dq4wSgqI- Received: from [71.0.80.147] by web35908.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 May 2007 07:52:39 PDT Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 07:52:39 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <797020.5323.qm@web35908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.179.192 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio Reply-To: Jeff@1600WXMY.com Subject: Re: Speaking of CRL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=221315206; y=hcTSuPJ2lArcbCdhtya8pZzCNbGCILrT3h8I54OLfZfPhB4-x0g X-Yahoo-Profile: raynor_jeff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, you could get the caps from Mouser, but there are a few "little black chips" that are on those boards that I understand are proprietary of CRL and only they know what's inside them. Plus, I like to get some kinda guarantee so I won't have to fuss around with the thing. Just a thought... Jeff Raynor www.1600WXMY.com www.VoiceofJeff.com P.O. Box 5555 Chilhowie, VA 24319 276-496-0016 276-496-0005-fax --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun May 13 16:21:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2976 invoked from network); 13 May 2007 23:21:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2007 23:21:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2007 23:21:57 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.217]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 174804031-1881964 for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 18:21:55 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c795b5$e66beb80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <797020.5323.qm@web35908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 18:24:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 5, in=10, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.217 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Speaking of CRL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=aotLWN4_RuNgZvmD94RnU5_Ig0M2lsvXz9kKthZbOXmBC5KWPLBW X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If the chips are good, chances are a quick cap replacement will make it perform like new. Shouldn't take more than a couple hours. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio" > Yes, you could get the caps from Mouser, but there are a few "little black chips" that are on those boards that I understand are proprietary of CRL and only they know what's inside them. Plus, I like to get some kinda guarantee so I won't have to fuss around with the thing. > Just a thought... From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun May 13 20:31:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85990 invoked from network); 14 May 2007 03:31:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2007 03:31:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.117) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2007 03:31:41 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2007 03:30:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2007 03:30:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2007 03:30:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 03:30:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4644BECA.7050808@peoplepc.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.43 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=mlohDxqgml0EDOULkZx5W1tYBWgvTAWGj88cmwhrZgxWudtEtQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter=20 wrote: > > jotape1960 wrote: > > I think the ideal system would be a PC with a professional audio=20 > > card and a software to get real time multiband audio processing.=20 But=20 > > I don't know if that kind of software/machine exists.=20 >=20 > You can get a Multiband processor plug-in for WINAMP that is made=20 for=20 > broadcast use. >=20 > Kevin > Hi Kevin!!! I'd been search for it and I only found a "basic" processor,=20 excessively "basic", limited and with a lot of bugs. Maybe it isn't=20 the plug-in you're talking. Can you be more specific? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun May 13 20:53:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14858 invoked from network); 14 May 2007 03:53:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2007 03:53:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.117) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2007 03:53:05 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2007 03:53:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2007 03:53:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2007 03:53:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 03:53:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009d01c794f6$c9d084a0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.43 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=c0h7bUu0HEmlBC2UR-SJXD6lBWloA9T9WQqSMG3d6KiH4kkDlw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > We use all sorts of cat-5 for audio wiring to the terminal blocks=20 which > share the same room with the transmitters. Yes, it's not your=20 imagination, > that cat-5 works so well. That's not to say there may not be=20 times where a > filter is called for, but it won't be very often. Also look for=20 loose and > corroded connections. >=20 > The reason the old untwisted wires are so susceptible is that the=20 radio > waves typically hit one wire before the other because of the=20 diameter of the > wire and the insulation on them. As fast as radio waves travel,=20 there's > still a finite amount of time between when it hits the various=20 conductors. > Modern unshielded twisted pair (UTP) nearly eliminates the=20 problem. They > use much smaller gauge wire and the insulation on it is very thin=20 yet can > withstand a few hundred volts. Plus the twisting creates opposing=20 currents > when it comes to outside interference. The field hits wire A=20 before wire B > on one part of the cable, and hits wire B before A on another part. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio" >=20 > > Speaking of RF getting into the equipment in a station.... > > > > Some of you guys who are more "tekkie" than I am... answer a=20 question > for me. I think I already know the answer based upon numerous=20 times of > "doing it" and having excellent results. > > > > It's about RF in the phone lines. I read somewhere a loooong=20 time ago, > and have believed for a long time that if you use twisted pair=20 phone wire, > you'll get the RF out of a phone line. Some of the phone lines in=20 this area > are ancient, and the fact that they're maintained by Sprint=20 (trying not to > gag here), there are lots of complaints of RF in the phone lines.=20 I've > supplied lots of people with two-pair twisted phone cable (I=20 bought 3 boxes > of it at 1000 feet a box) and let people have it to rewire their=20 phones if > they want to. I've had more than one person tell me that twisted=20 pair will > eat RF like a crazy. It even worked here at this place when I=20 bought it. > There was the old timey two pair, non-twisted. I ripped it all out, > installed an AT&T Partner system and used all twisted pair--even=20 coming in > from the demarc. > > > > We have had NO problems with RF here at the station and a guy=20 up the > road, who didn't believe me when I told him to do it, now swears=20 that what I > told him solved the problem. I told the phone guys here but they=20 say "nope, > it's us putting filters on that makes it go away." Just curious=20 as to what > you guys think. It's worked for me about 100% of the time. > Hi Jeff and Scott!!! This topic is a very "sensitive" and important topic to me, because=20 I live in the same place where is our AM TX, so the RF energy in my=20 telephone line is... "important" hehehehe!!! It affects my Internet=20 communications because I don't have a "wide band" connection (I'm=20 out of my city and the local Internet supplier doesn't have that=20 kind of service to my rural/country zone). So, this topic is a very=20 important topic to me. I have RF filters in my telephone line but... I don't get eliminate=20 the RF noise from it. I've got reduce it to a "confortable" audio=20 level but not enough to get a very good Internet connection. So I want to know exactly what do you mean with your ideas. I'm not=20 sure if the "two-pair twisted cable" you're talking about is the=20 same kind of cable I'm thinking, so... Can you explain me more=20 specifically, please? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From tf3200ir@yahoo.com.au Mon May 14 07:50:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tf3200ir@yahoo.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2519 invoked from network); 14 May 2007 14:50:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2007 14:50:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.117) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2007 14:50:11 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2007 14:48:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2007 14:48:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2007 14:48:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 14:48:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 144.139.191.131 From: "Smiley" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=288652798; y=ZcGHOc5DOaH2CptP8P4XEgRj8KesjGyhmRIZl7yCjZAHCNc X-Yahoo-Profile: tf3200ir --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter=20 > wrote: > > > > jotape1960 wrote: > > > I think the ideal system would be a PC with a professional audio=20 > > > card and a software to get real time multiband audio processing.=20 > But=20 > > > I don't know if that kind of software/machine exists.=20 > >=20 > > You can get a Multiband processor plug-in for WINAMP that is made=20 > for=20 > > broadcast use. > >=20 > > Kevin > > >=20 > Hi Kevin!!! >=20 > I'd been search for it and I only found a "basic" processor,=20 > excessively "basic", limited and with a lot of bugs. Maybe it isn't=20 > the plug-in you're talking. Can you be more specific? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > "Sound Solution " might be what Kevin is talking about From raynor_jeff@yahoo.com Mon May 14 13:01:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: raynor_jeff@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31390 invoked from network); 14 May 2007 20:01:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2007 20:01:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web35907.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.179.191) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2007 20:01:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 16505 invoked by uid 60001); 14 May 2007 20:01:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zJCVTcoVM1m.QYQTzAssfW22Cab8rx6uM.ag8M1PZDGVwrHOW_yRcL2t0hH.oi_c2WtCIPpS9MJFergMMJ9Znks0ZL3WTdnaZN4qbpH04oDZdVUk8iY- Received: from [71.0.80.147] by web35907.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 May 2007 13:01:12 PDT Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:01:12 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <364444.15671.qm@web35907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.179.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio Reply-To: Jeff@1600WXMY.com Subject: Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=221315206; y=Me-MyImgGXX6mu26UjHwpN6lhsuAP1bo-LrAlMTktpIdVzYIG2U X-Yahoo-Profile: raynor_jeff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott, I'll surrender the floor to you on that one... -Jeff Jeff Raynor www.1600WXMY.com www.VoiceofJeff.com P.O. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon May 14 14:25:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49800 invoked from network); 14 May 2007 21:25:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2007 21:25:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2007 21:25:37 -0000 Received: from fl-71-55-26-16.dhcp.embarqhsd.net ([71.55.26.16] helo=[192.168.100.4]) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Hni2n-00077F-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 14 May 2007 17:25:25 -0400 Message-ID: <464881DD.4060602@peoplepc.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 11:35:57 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=Y3HGVc8DRFCwCeEeJ4aqzWWEnF4izwwYoKtfk8LzdQnvJoATxsZ8gBgTeEGM-w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jotape1960 wrote: > I'd been search for it and I only found a "basic" processor, > excessively "basic", limited and with a lot of bugs. Maybe it isn't > the plug-in you're talking. Can you be more specific? I got it on Ebay a couple of years ago, it sounds just like an Optimod. It is somewhere in my old Windows software I no longer use, as I no longer have a Windows computer. Kevin From dolphin@strangeanimals.net Mon May 14 16:28:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: dolphin@strangeanimals.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 574 invoked from network); 14 May 2007 23:28:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2007 23:28:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.33) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2007 23:28:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2007 23:28:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2007 23:28:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 23:28:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.15.76.194 From: "amradiozebra" Subject: Getting noise out of the phone lines X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184419589; y=sZU0qnLgUuDu-PPEedY6Z0aA42xqK9fyA3E495WBxHwNWrSXL3atjzc X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiozebra > Hi Jeff and Scott!!! >=20 > This topic is a very "sensitive" and important topic to me, because=20 > I live in the same place where is our AM TX, so the RF energy in my=20 > telephone line is... "important" hehehehe!!! It affects my Internet=20 > communications because I don't have a "wide band" connection (I'm=20 > out of my city and the local Internet supplier doesn't have that=20 > kind of service to my rural/country zone). So, this topic is a very=20 > important topic to me. >=20 > I have RF filters in my telephone line but... I don't get eliminate=20 > the RF noise from it. I've got reduce it to a "confortable" audio=20 > level but not enough to get a very good Internet connection. >=20 > So I want to know exactly what do you mean with your ideas. I'm not=20 > sure if the "two-pair twisted cable" you're talking about is the=20 > same kind of cable I'm thinking, so... Can you explain me more=20 > specifically, please? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=EF=BF=BD, Chile, South America, with love I used to live close to a local AM in santa cruz, and the noise got into everything... I've been there. As for phone lines - use twisted pairs - at least 4 twists per foot. preferably jacketed 'station wire' (the phone company should be using this already however) use insulated staples to hold the wire down (nicks where a staple makes contact can create rectification and increase pickup.) make sure all connections are ultra clean. copper oxide is a rectifier and you know what a rectifier will do to convert RF to audio. Use a preservative on the wiring to prevent oxidation. run the lines near the ground where field strength is minimum - but away from any ground feeders for the transmitting antenna. run the lines away from other metal objects, cross metal at 90 degrees if possible. placing small (0.01uF) disc caps, 100V rating at a minimum, and 500V reccommended across the lines at various points (line entry point, and telephone jack) can help. Worth a try anyway. A shunt trap tuned to your station frequency can help as well. feeding the phone line through /low frequency/ toroids can help... a few turns through a big toroid. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon May 14 18:10:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44362 invoked from network); 15 May 2007 01:03:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2007 01:03:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.108) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2007 01:03:18 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n11.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2007 01:03:13 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2007 01:03:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2007 01:03:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 01:03:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <464881DD.4060602@peoplepc.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.108 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.90.83 From: "Kevin T." Subject: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=_TMbZCsbqVWExwaz2dHvyc1XMvBM1UL7RudF4yt4bXIfqDcf0w X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I got it on Ebay a couple of years ago, it sounds just like an > Optimod. It is somewhere in my old Windows software I no longer > use, as I no longer have a Windows computer. Although it's water under the bridge for you, to others out there,=20 please DO NOT bid on the eBay auctions for "Optimod-style" PC audio=20 processing software. This is a ripoff of the "Sound Solution"=20 program which is available for FREE DOWNLOAD on the web, so if you=20 buy the CD on eBay you are just sending money to a guy who is copying=20 someone else's work for his own financial gain! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon May 14 18:23:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58607 invoked from network); 15 May 2007 01:23:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2007 01:23:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.245) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2007 01:23:11 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n27.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2007 01:21:45 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2007 01:21:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2007 01:21:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 01:21:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <284368.35472.qm@web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.245 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.90.83 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Speaking of CRL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=RC6Vx9N-BmsFzTUwYgSgB5z6z08CKIuGug6--jqJJnc9k0VN4g X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I have a SMP-900. It hasn't been used in a long > time? What do I look for for proper operation? These should help: SMP-900 manual: ftp://ftp.orban.com/CRL/SMP900%20Manual.pdf SMP-900 NRSC filter/pre-emphasis board manual (if your SMP-900 was in=20 use after 1987, it should have this installed): ftp://ftp.orban.com/CRL/NRSC%20FL-1%20Manual.pdf From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon May 14 18:29:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74897 invoked from network); 15 May 2007 01:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2007 01:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.242) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2007 01:29:55 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n26.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2007 01:29:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2007 01:29:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2007 01:29:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 01:29:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <797020.5323.qm@web35908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.242 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.90.83 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Speaking of CRL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=EDg7r_sTAKRpbNQUgz953uefeA89wgbbTFXthghS3WgG4aDkIw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Yes, you could get the caps from Mouser, but there are a few > "little black chips" that are on those boards that I understand are > proprietary of CRL and only they know what's inside them. Plus, I > like to get some kinda guarantee so I won't have to fuss around > with the thing.=20 The CRL "black boxes" only contain "passive components": resistors,=20 capacitors, and diodes. Sometimes the epoxy holding the black box=20 together becomes brittle enough with age that you can easily crack it=20 open and see what's inside. There are no truly proprietary=20 components inside these; they just contain CRL's patented circuitry,=20 which they didn't want people to copy. Everything else besides these=20 black boxes are industry-standard parts (mostly TL072s and LM13600s),=20 which makes servicing a CRL quite easy, because there are no exotic=20 parts. From matthew.trim@eds.com Mon May 14 20:33:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39111 invoked from network); 15 May 2007 03:33:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2007 03:33:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler2.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.142) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2007 03:33:06 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler2.mail.eds.com (8.13.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l4F3X2SG006931 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 13:33:02 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.13.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l4F3WmQt000707 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 13:32:49 +1000 Received: from aubwm051.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.159.13]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.13.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l4F3Wmuo000702 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 13:32:48 +1000 Received: from aubwm010.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.166.96]) by aubwm051.apac.corp.eds.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 15 May 2007 13:32:48 +1000 Received: from aubwm231.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.166.105]) by aubwm010.apac.corp.eds.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 15 May 2007 13:32:48 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:32:47 +1000 Message-ID: <5963F1C68F53754894E6168A6D6B6AD40188E96A@aubwm231.apac.corp.eds.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Delta ASE-2 AM Stereo Exciter Manual Thread-Index: AceWkJ6mXrz+eGsXQu6wvHa8O08YugAEM6cg To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2007 03:32:48.0206 (UTC) FILETIME=[B57C1EE0:01C796A1] X-Originating-IP: 207.169.189.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: Delta ASE-2 AM Stereo Exciter Manual X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102; y=3amlhroGXFLuHbn_Phn-RYmzo_G2b-3luzfTZgqdE0TLXA9fqg X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Does anyone have a copy of the manual for a Delta ASE-2 in PDF form? =20 Cheers, Matt From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue May 15 13:08:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29526 invoked from network); 15 May 2007 20:08:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2007 20:08:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2007 20:08:49 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.106.184.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.106.184]) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Ho399-0001OM-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 15 May 2007 15:57:23 -0400 Message-ID: <4649CBF9.4000104@peoplepc.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 11:04:25 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=d5RuIFyOwX6I9dD_zuvZjg6IUlj5TH779JyokOeRFFdJHvEkdD8pJErBGRK07Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Smiley wrote: > "Sound Solution " might be what Kevin is talking about Ya know that might be it. I ran it in "UK Hits" mode into my Lofer. Kevin From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu May 17 14:26:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17615 invoked from network); 17 May 2007 21:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2007 21:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.163) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2007 21:26:03 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.80]) by bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 17 May 2007 14:23:52 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 17 May 2007 14:23:51 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 68.37.195.197 by BAY103-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 17 May 2007 21:23:46 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 17:23:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 Disposition-Notification-To: "Computer_Recycling_Guy" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2007 21:23:51.0971 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA7FF730:01C798C9] Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Computer_Recycling_Guy" Subject: Harris AMS - G1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=iQxDECu-_nOOF6hAMX2FZKEGn3_fk8Qti2BpFwMjENsQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Hi Any one have a Manual for the Harris AMS - G1? Thank You, Thank You, ----------------------------------------------- Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu May 17 19:24:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95370 invoked from network); 18 May 2007 02:24:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2007 02:24:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2007 02:24:44 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.221.229]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 174440303-1881964 for ; Thu, 17 May 2007 21:24:42 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <007f01c798f4$1efd2fe0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 21:27:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet ip=64.61.221.229 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris AMS - G1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=YqcelZGuRNq1cP3RF8LtAvJx8AtRHZViTMI_hBKbbtmZn6pqO4Yg X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'll have to check, but I think I do. If not, I know that I'll be getting one sometime this summer. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Computer_Recycling_Guy" > Hi > > Any one have a Manual for the Harris AMS - G1? > From kc8gpd@gmail.com Fri May 18 07:24:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91566 invoked from network); 18 May 2007 14:24:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2007 14:24:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.251) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2007 14:24:13 -0000 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c36so259427ana for ; Fri, 18 May 2007 07:23:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=THN4BFkIYTlGsevRG20+giC+YtJ9iTi66czeizFBczHgkcvpFkgE2mx0DWf7tSSk1y/HtJI2Py4SwJ5HsJ0UpVj1QP+tB3jka7Zq/dGpjBdGgRmxKTO9RwGMy4j/rYT3N0Nv4hwV/c8jobsUANjSP7yhe8PkRk8XslDuvFBXQhI= Received: by 10.100.14.19 with SMTP id 19mr1166555ann.1179498232177; Fri, 18 May 2007 07:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from office ( [68.37.195.197]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id c9sm4942140ana.2007.05.18.07.23.51; Fri, 18 May 2007 07:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <007d01c79958$29257180$0301a8c0@office> To: References: <007f01c798f4$1efd2fe0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 10:23:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.251 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris AMS - G1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=311326476; y=EJrzmUScIJ6he4r4CEkxfYoedqvlqd2rViNmg4RCfDyK X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Hi Todd, What do you know about these? are they 3rd Generation Exciters? I popped the top and it look to be crystal controlled using a Jan xtal 4x the fundemental frequency. there are a load of jumpers on the board. they say "SX" and "DX" als some other jumpers that i forget what is marked on them. I recognize the basic adjustments to get it installed and running :) It would just be nice to know as much about it as i can. Thank You, ----------------------------------------------- Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:27 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris AMS - G1 I'll have to check, but I think I do. If not, I know that I'll be getting one sometime this summer. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Computer_Recycling_Guy" > Hi > > Any one have a Manual for the Harris AMS - G1? > From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri May 18 07:55:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41341 invoked from network); 18 May 2007 14:55:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2007 14:55:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2007 14:55:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 73247 invoked by uid 60001); 18 May 2007 14:54:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dd.7.F4VM1mqPifcrO6Vj5b4C5WYJ8r2xQYyy1IiYZCJVJzIc_qCx6XHmahH5mG8lFZ7jVSkow-- Received: from [209.213.19.159] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 May 2007 07:54:01 PDT Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 07:54:01 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <964662.72440.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Covering your local area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=6PwS2LxP7KAcEM5wuLGo59_xWzemtGZyi3C6JoRmNfw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Well I got over to WKDK, and checked the modulation. Yes, there are peaks to 125%. The modulation monitor needle does vary on negatives and not sit on 98% like I've seen some stations do. Powell From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri May 18 17:02:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59882 invoked from network); 19 May 2007 00:01:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2007 00:01:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2007 00:01:02 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.98]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 173496500-1881964 for ; Fri, 18 May 2007 18:58:25 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c799a8$dad38840$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <007f01c798f4$1efd2fe0$d503fea9@stodd> <007d01c79958$29257180$0301a8c0@office> Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 19:01:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet ip=64.61.220.98 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris AMS - G1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=xZeh9jyOhBFHRwJEeMaQHPGUf5hVz7__ekKnYtU4NaQle36IqM9n X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Don't know as much about them as I do the Motorola and Delta exciters, but this one is designed for CQUAM and not a retrofit from their own system. The SX (also good for the Gates series) position corrects for some of the inherent IPM of those transmitters; the DX position removes it as those transmitters don't have that problem. Using a non Harris exciter with an SX or Gates transmitter would not perform as well. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" > Hi Todd, > > What do you know about these? are they 3rd Generation Exciters? I popped the > top and it look to be crystal controlled using a Jan xtal 4x the fundemental > frequency. there are a load of jumpers on the board. they say "SX" and "DX" > als some other jumpers that i forget what is marked on them. > > I recognize the basic adjustments to get it installed and running :) It > would just be nice to know as much about it as i can. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri May 18 22:31:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91113 invoked from network); 19 May 2007 05:31:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2007 05:31:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.133) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2007 05:31:46 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2007 05:31:45 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2007 05:31:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2007 05:31:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 05:31:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.101 From: "jotape1960" Subject: BROADCASTING: Maybe an etymology issue? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=lGK3LHq8guADJo4EACXJpicDODTKoKmqKIQRV-cAUGiIy6ABwg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI GANG!!!!!!! I've thought about the AM problems (believe it or not, from time to=20 time... I think, hehehe) and I remembered some discussion the=20 chilean broadcasters had time ago. What does the word BROADCASTING mean? Well, there is something called: etymology; this is the=20 word "genesis", or history. We could to be tempted to think about we have a "composite" word=20 here: BROAD - CASTING. BROAD and CASTING. But it isn't 100% true.=20 The "original" word is: BROADCAST, or BROAD - CAST. CASTING isn't=20 the same as CAST. CAST is a very interesting verb, because it has several meanings.=20 But, according with my old, but very very good, Oxford Dictionary,=20 one of the meanings we can use here is: TO SHOW, TO EMIT, TO=20 TRANSMIT... something. So, the word BROAD - CAST, means: TO TRANSMIT... something BROAD. But... What does BROAD mean? As ev'rybody knows, BROAD is WIDE,=20 VAST, LARGE. So, BROAD - CAST is: A WIDE TRANSMITION. But... WIDE related with what? This is the "dark" and "cryptic" topic. Maybe, and please I'm writing "MAYBE", in the beginning, it was=20 related with the large distance to cover... MAYBE. But, from my large conversations with old radio hamers, I've always=20 heard the same history: "the broadcasters are those Amplitude=20 Modulation radio station WITH A GREAT WIDER AUDIO PASSBAND", in=20 opposite to the typical radio ham station who has only a 2 kHz of=20 audio passband. So, according to that theory, the AM BROADCASTING must to be any=20 station with a wider audio passband (at least 8 kHz). Then I wonder... When was this concept forgotten? I don't know if my english is good, I'm not a USA citizen and I=20 don't speak english daily. But, I think you can understand what I=20 want to mean. Or not? Maybe, it's time to "revive" that old "original" meaning of=20 BROADCASTING and get very wide audio passband from the... TUNERS!!! Don't you think the same? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat May 19 03:24:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48552 invoked from network); 19 May 2007 10:24:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2007 10:24:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.59) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2007 10:24:32 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2007 10:24:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2007 10:24:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 10:24:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.6.23 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: BROADCASTING: Maybe an etymology issue? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=RnQPj_9aoA93Gz8ltWRrv53GfVVSAyN7xAnSfIaNaSQ0L_bb X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie The term "broadcasting" actually dates back hundreds of years, and is, in fact, an agricultural term, literally meant to cast seed broadly, that is, over a broad area. In the radio sense, you're casting your voice and music over a broad area to a broad number of listeners. The opposite of this is narrowcasting- to cast to only a select few, or one. To transmit is to send across something. The term also dates back centuries, if not much longer. (It's Latin.) Radio is a modification of the term radius, that is, to radiate. This has generally lost its meaning, and just refers to radio as being a voice/data medium employing the lower electromagnetic spectrum entirely through electromagnetic/photonic energy. (A photon is a photon regardless of whether it's light or VLF radio, and is in fact, the largest subatomic particle, depending on wavelength- Some encountered are physically bigger than the Earth's magnetospheric cavity.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kc8gpd@gmail.com Sat May 19 04:31:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73037 invoked from network); 19 May 2007 11:31:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2007 11:31:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.249) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2007 11:31:22 -0000 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c37so298745anc for ; Sat, 19 May 2007 04:31:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=PHTwtI+z1oQr/vTj5sjPLaXB35zyBFuPbOGEgDb/dToOEzVMhBUVso94Hbnii9KIj0KEEtgMQchrK5WzQDViFGg5A39Yc3axH+eoC88ngpYvpN7dUHvQg6hs0MeKzmMDASsL95hsUMXZfoOGIMJ6xS0HlHwZwGmPHwfIVGIiRBI= Received: by 10.100.200.12 with SMTP id x12mr1746547anf.1179574266693; Sat, 19 May 2007 04:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from office ( [68.37.195.197]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id c30sm6552833ana.2007.05.19.04.31.06; Sat, 19 May 2007 04:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000601c79a09$31553780$0301a8c0@office> To: References: <007f01c798f4$1efd2fe0$d503fea9@stodd> <007d01c79958$29257180$0301a8c0@office> <003101c799a8$dad38840$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 07:31:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris AMS - G1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=311326476; y=O_XzmlrwnkEkcwVfK35hBWZFmYvOhOpK6eLgEyrNnKp6 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd if you are familiar with J.R. Cunningham Transmitters, I Have the CM 30-50 and Universal Tuner, that is what i'll be hooking up to and using a line coupler to do Carrier Current broadcasting. I have a PLL module that i can retrofit the Harris with so i don't need to buy xtals evertime a frequency change is needed :) I Have a TM-152 to monitor my station with. Thank You, ----------------------------------------------- Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 8:01 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris AMS - G1 Don't know as much about them as I do the Motorola and Delta exciters, but this one is designed for CQUAM and not a retrofit from their own system. The SX (also good for the Gates series) position corrects for some of the inherent IPM of those transmitters; the DX position removes it as those transmitters don't have that problem. Using a non Harris exciter with an SX or Gates transmitter would not perform as well. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" > Hi Todd, > > What do you know about these? are they 3rd Generation Exciters? I popped the > top and it look to be crystal controlled using a Jan xtal 4x the fundemental > frequency. there are a load of jumpers on the board. they say "SX" and "DX" > als some other jumpers that i forget what is marked on them. > > I recognize the basic adjustments to get it installed and running :) It > would just be nice to know as much about it as i can. From kc8gpd@gmail.com Sun May 20 14:23:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8360 invoked from network); 20 May 2007 21:23:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2007 21:23:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.244) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2007 21:23:14 -0000 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c16so332191ana for ; Sun, 20 May 2007 14:23:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=X1K7B8R5XHxnUz51sJ7MpdLw9Ri2hT03avxuuI6cF3YW/dSKSZ+TWvc2QFkYjjvh3XYR8/SSqh4E21Blbl/v1taShXDNtgh8nSxEaPLFzJEYW+0O0VARW36NXoh6UU5IP42SXeQIXlFDhRTT0VetjARra2VX3TgyHVszEH9BCB4= Received: by 10.100.141.13 with SMTP id o13mr2583864and.1179696191753; Sun, 20 May 2007 14:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from office ( [68.37.195.197]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id d19sm8565812and.2007.05.20.14.23.11; Sun, 20 May 2007 14:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00b501c79b25$12be38e0$0301a8c0@office> To: Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 17:23:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: C-QuAM Carrier Current X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=311326476; y=Ewk52z5VKB-0HzMChqn92bWRb7MsPgtXDkL6JauaU5Wv X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd anyone ever try broadcasting C-QuAM in Carrier Current. it's obvious that C-QuAM won't work in a Part 15.219 Compliant System, but what about Carrier Current? How well would C-QuAM work in Carrier current Systems. Thank You, ----------------------------------------------- Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun May 20 16:36:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51066 invoked from network); 20 May 2007 23:36:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2007 23:36:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2007 23:36:12 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.252]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 177201181-1881964 for ; Sun, 20 May 2007 18:34:02 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <005a01c79b37$caaeac20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <00b501c79b25$12be38e0$0301a8c0@office> Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 18:37:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.252 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QuAM Carrier Current X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=9gn-HTsObOB8RsLakCNgKrr1kvv54nCn-cvsRXQhBezAek3B3MVm X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I don't know anyone who's done it, but I don't see why it couldn't be done. As long as the transmitter is matched to the load and it's fairly flat across the audio passband it should work. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" > anyone ever try broadcasting C-QuAM in Carrier Current. it's obvious that > C-QuAM won't work in a Part 15.219 Compliant System, but what about Carrier > Current? How well would C-QuAM work in Carrier current Systems. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun May 20 16:50:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24267 invoked from network); 20 May 2007 23:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2007 23:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2007 23:50:09 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.252]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 177202157-1881964 for ; Sun, 20 May 2007 18:41:20 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c79b38$d0329c00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 18:44:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=2, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.252 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} BROADCASTING: Maybe an etymology issue? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=pSBWbGV6vA8861mrmVB5zronbFMf0C5l1xaNF5YdqfRD1rXLaSof X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude What do you propose to do to force the manufacturers to create such tuners? I already tried to petition the FCC over this and nothing came of it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" Maybe, it's time to "revive" that old "original" meaning of BROADCASTING and get very wide audio passband from the... TUNERS!!! Don't you think the same? From sub81@shortwavelog.com Sun May 20 18:10:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: sub81@shortwavelog.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17192 invoked from network); 21 May 2007 01:10:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2007 01:10:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2007 01:10:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2007 01:10:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2007 01:10:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 01:10:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00b501c79b25$12be38e0$0301a8c0@office> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.85.84.66 From: "Robert Sillett" Subject: Re: C-QuAM Carrier Current X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=310843581; y=04IjJRJZvoTWy0H-0xnIm7imtzVWlpUXZz9vPNArvnPSeA X-Yahoo-Profile: sillett I'm currently running around 90 mw into the ground line of my home wiring. I get a very good signal all around the house and for about 10 feet outside the house.=20=20 The signal strength drops off very quickly, but that could also be due to my low power. I believe that real carrier current systems will use a couple of watts.=20=20 According to what I've read, carrier current is better suited for the low end of the band whereas Part 15 stations are better suited for the high part of the band because of the antenna limitations in Part 15.=20 I have a local station on 540 kHz and I've also found that I get a significant amount of hum when I'm doing carrier current below 600 kHz. So I have settled back to 1610 kHz, which has no hum for me and allows my AM radios that do not have expanded band (Realistic TM-152) to receive my AM Stereo transmission. I have had no problems with C-QUAM in my setup. Please note that I've only been doing this for two days though. However, I've spent over 20 hours over the weekend working and tweaking my setup.=20=20 Bob --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" wrote: > > anyone ever try broadcasting C-QuAM in Carrier Current. it's obvious that > C-QuAM won't work in a Part 15.219 Compliant System, but what about Carrier > Current? How well would C-QuAM work in Carrier current Systems. >=20 > Thank You, >=20 > ----------------------------------------------- > Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis > Universal Life Ministries (ULC) > http://www.ulc.org >=20 > Moderator Hunterdonfree > http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun May 20 20:48:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18633 invoked from network); 21 May 2007 03:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2007 03:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.216) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2007 03:48:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2007 03:48:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2007 03:48:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 03:48:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.116 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: BROADCASTING: Maybe an etymology issue? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=xY_npeVHWqE2a8vW5zPVK9O1F6wQEhkBbPPRai-GjA-wiNCiBw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > The term "broadcasting" actually dates back hundreds of years, and=20 is, > in fact, an agricultural term, literally meant to cast seed=20 broadly, > that is, over a broad area. In the radio sense, you're casting your > voice and music over a broad area to a broad number of listeners.=20 The > opposite of this is narrowcasting- to cast to only a select few,=20 or one. >=20 > To transmit is to send across something. The term also dates back > centuries, if not much longer. (It's Latin.) >=20 > Radio is a modification of the term radius, that is, to radiate.=20 This > has generally lost its meaning, and just refers to radio as being a > voice/data medium employing the lower electromagnetic spectrum > entirely through electromagnetic/photonic energy. (A photon is a > photon regardless of whether it's light or VLF radio, and is in=20 fact, > the largest subatomic particle, depending on wavelength- Some > encountered are physically bigger than the Earth's magnetospheric=20 cavity.) >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > HI AMY!!! Thank you so much for your explanation. That meaning, about=20 agricultural use, isn't in my dictionary. But, I think you know about what I want to mean: AM BROADCASTING =3D BROAD, WIDE AUDIO PASSBAND. Unfortunately, I see FCC killed that possibility with their limited,=20 prehistoric and irrational decitions about the tuners audio passband=20 in AM. I just wonder WHY THE USA BROADCASTERS ACCEPT THE FCC RULES?=20 Maybe you must to copy some South America countries (like Argentina)=20 where ev'rybody does that ev'rybody wants to do, hehehehe!!! Of course, my McMartin BA-2.5K MW AM TX transmits with a very wide=20 audio passband (because I don't use the NRSC filter,=20 hahahahahaha!!!!!!!) and nobody claims against me!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun May 20 20:55:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63467 invoked from network); 21 May 2007 03:55:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2007 03:55:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.10) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2007 03:55:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2007 03:55:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2007 03:55:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 03:55:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006d01c79b38$d0329c00$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.116 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} BROADCASTING: Maybe an etymology issue? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=TTRF3gZ6DFi2-sGtsLe5A2qZjrE-fUefO0w751ult50cNGIl6w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > What do you propose to do to force the manufacturers to create such=20 tuners? > I already tried to petition the FCC over this and nothing came of it. >=20 > Scott Todd HI SCOTT!!! Exactly, brother!!! That's my dream. Maybe you failed because you were alone with it. But, if ALL the USA=20 broadcasters would try, united, I think it could to be a reality. If you, the USA broadcasters, the major country in the world, get=20 it... then it will spread to the whole world. Please, try again!!!!!!! Of course, it's your decision. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mon May 21 07:15:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 94306 invoked from network); 21 May 2007 14:15:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2007 14:15:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.23) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2007 14:15:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2007 14:15:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2007 14:15:14 -0000 Date: 21 May 2007 14:15:13 -0000 Message-ID: <1179756913.30765.20831.w108@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /AM CQUAM Transmitter Kit/ASMAXDEC_1.JPG Uploaded by : pdmtr Description : JVC Tuner with AM stereo add-on You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/AM%20CQUAM%20Transmitter%20Kit/ASMAXDEC_1.JPG To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, pdmtr From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mon May 21 07:16:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 70515 invoked from network); 21 May 2007 14:16:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2007 14:16:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.108) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2007 14:16:42 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n11.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2007 14:13:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2007 14:13:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2007 14:13:01 -0000 Date: 21 May 2007 14:12:59 -0000 Message-ID: <1179756779.22944.82501.w114@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /AM CQUAM Transmitter Kit/Deqam1_1.jpg Uploaded by : pdmtr Description : AM STEREO DECODER BOARD You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/AM%20CQUAM%20Transmitter%20Kit/Deqam1_1.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, pdmtr From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon May 21 11:50:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31035 invoked from network); 21 May 2007 18:50:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2007 18:50:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.124) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2007 18:50:03 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2007 18:47:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2007 18:47:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2007 18:47:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 18:47:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.124 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.73.201.167 From: "Sotiris" Subject: AM C-QUAM Stereo transmitter is now available (limited quantity) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=pc-pgNA6lPRcjpYS35XlFsTcfc0390ywQ-jpmCRoZBc X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi The ASMAX-1 AM C-QUAM Stereo transmitter (DDS frequency synthesizer) is available now. Take a look at it at http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=3D1&item=3D200112042991 Also we have available an AM STEREO DECODER BOARD to convert almost any=20 regular monophonic AM medium wave receiver to a C-QUAM stereo tuner!=20 This works for both 450 or 455KHz IF. Best regards=20 Sotiris From kc8gpd@gmail.com Mon May 21 12:09:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83437 invoked from network); 21 May 2007 19:09:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2007 19:09:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.244) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2007 19:09:08 -0000 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d33so392066and for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 12:08:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=NliS+3Q56qv/5/Py4SWUJ/YWFZAfHS1h2MIFNjzljigqfs2uvUSvCvYyTMtvJcSQDyezA2UULtHzYG84M8MwMjHVbgTOEkvA+CYqEfHq5SUuQ7/H2nhrvprm9+xhFT/SWfXquZgC6NfIQ+NGqdJ1LBWgY1kaMIksCXg+fGmTmfw= Received: by 10.100.120.5 with SMTP id s5mr3209286anc.1179774533925; Mon, 21 May 2007 12:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from office ( [68.37.195.197]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id c13sm13808767anc.2007.05.21.12.08.53; Mon, 21 May 2007 12:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003a01c79bdb$790348f0$0301a8c0@office> To: References: Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 15:08:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM C-QUAM Stereo transmitter is now available (limited quantity) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=311326476; y=vYZPs9UDFOojAD950EehUsSfVwKZEiw3X9md3e20nkin X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Keep this in mind.... quote: "Disclaimer: Although this unit meets FCC Part 15 requirements for AM transmitters, this does not mean it has been FCC certified" end quote. there has been a real step up on enforcement in the am medium wave band in the USA pertaining to uncertified kits. they have levied fines against a 3rd party who was building SSTRAN transmitters and reselling them. my friend was busted running a hamilton rangemaster here and the FCC agent said an uncertified transmitter running under part 15.219 is an automatic failed inspection. I don't know about tx's operating under part 15.209. see.... http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/ for info on FCC enforcement activity. with that said it looks like a decent little transmitter :) Note: would be nice if future revisions of the design included +4dbu 600 ohm balanced inputs ;) I would find a way to drum up $$$$ for one if it did. Thank You, ----------------------------------------------- Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sotiris" To: Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:47 PM Subject: {AMSF} AM C-QUAM Stereo transmitter is now available (limited quantity) Hi The ASMAX-1 AM C-QUAM Stereo transmitter (DDS frequency synthesizer) is available now. Take a look at it at http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200112042991 Also we have available an AM STEREO DECODER BOARD to convert almost any regular monophonic AM medium wave receiver to a C-QUAM stereo tuner! This works for both 450 or 455KHz IF. Best regards Sotiris From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon May 21 18:13:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68665 invoked from network); 22 May 2007 01:13:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2007 01:13:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2007 01:13:12 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.70]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 174285431-1881964 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 20:11:21 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c79c0e$8efeffe0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 20:14:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 2, in=4, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.70 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} BROADCASTING: Maybe an etymology issue? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=TAfWiG1zSjjckQKNCYRyd5MDRuKaebQy8JiMCI-_mNRFmwimKl3W X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I wasn't alone at all. I had help from an AM stereo broadcaster, Larry Langford of WGTO, in writing the petition. I got a big write-up in Radio World too. It didn't gain much momentum. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > What do you propose to do to force the manufacturers to create such tuners? > I already tried to petition the FCC over this and nothing came of it. > > Scott Todd HI SCOTT!!! Exactly, brother!!! That's my dream. Maybe you failed because you were alone with it. But, if ALL the USA broadcasters would try, united, I think it could to be a reality. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon May 21 18:18:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22413 invoked from network); 22 May 2007 01:18:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2007 01:18:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2007 01:18:15 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.70]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 175472503-1881964 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 20:17:22 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <003f01c79c0f$660514c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 20:20:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 12, in=11, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.70 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: add another to the ranks! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=hA7yWxvSpkOW9E4RBdk0mHUM0E6XCkIuL4oYVR9aFDOqiQdWSfDN X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looks like we've got another AM stereo station coming on line. It's a small graveyard channel station, but at this point I'm not complaining. From the Radiotech forum: Looking for information on the 1985 Motorola CQuam exciter. I have we are going to install, I have all of the docs from harris on that. But somehow the manual for the Exciter has walked off. I was looking for any one with any kind of info, Or even more Cquam exciters and Monitors that may be up for grabs... J.D Ford Engineer KWHW 1450 KRKZ 93.5 KQTZ 105.9 212 West Cypress Altus Ok, 73521. Office 580-482-1450 Cell 580-216-1915 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon May 21 18:24:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65653 invoked from network); 22 May 2007 01:24:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2007 01:24:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2007 01:24:46 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.70]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 175473727-1881964 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 20:24:20 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <005801c79c10$5f41b520$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <003a01c79bdb$790348f0$0301a8c0@office> Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 20:27:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 12, in=12, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.70 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM C-QUAM Stereo transmitter is now available (limited quantity) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=bOWytsY9qCCOBsM5NnR2CO3fvhHCLEzg2feOFtPShqugUIoUYvXs X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I thought the Rangemaster was certified... Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" > there has been a real step up on enforcement in the am medium wave band in > the USA pertaining to uncertified kits. they have levied fines against a 3rd > party who was building SSTRAN transmitters and reselling them. my friend was > busted running a hamilton rangemaster here and the FCC agent said an > uncertified transmitter running under part 15.219 is an automatic failed > inspection. I don't know about tx's operating under part 15.209. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon May 21 22:41:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32787 invoked from network); 22 May 2007 05:41:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2007 05:41:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.215) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2007 05:41:14 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n33.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2007 05:39:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2007 05:39:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2007 05:39:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 05:39:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.8 From: "jotape1960" Subject: To the AM Tuner modifier X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=676wv-pmt34bNhbANfqeHWy0MO2OJSxMPgDCGIUQyGy9qtCXdQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI GANG!!! I want to say a word to the good brother who uploaded a very good=20 picture of an old JVC AM tuner modified to C-QUAM: Can you upload an electronic schematic circuit of that modification?=20 Specifically the connecting points between the original board and the=20 additional "new" board, please!!! Of course, if you can upload the=20 electronic diagram of the C-QUAM "new" board... it'd be great!!! And, an aditional question to the forum: Does somebody have a direct contact with the Meduci factory? I think=20 their AMX-2000 is a very good tuner but... Why not to add a digital=20 synthesizer/display and a good stereo amplifier with integrated=20 loudspeakers? Why not to add a car version to the "new" series? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mon May 21 22:54:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17239 invoked from network); 22 May 2007 05:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2007 05:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.237) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2007 05:54:08 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n25.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2007 05:53:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2007 05:53:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2007 05:53:45 -0000 Date: 22 May 2007 05:53:45 -0000 Message-ID: <1179813225.29689.75926.w106@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /CQUAM Decoders/RXCQUAMSchem.pdf Uploaded by : pdmtr Description : DEQAM1 ASPiSYS C-QUAM Decoder board You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/CQUAM%20Decoders/RXCQUAMSchem.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, pdmtr From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon May 21 23:01:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17667 invoked from network); 22 May 2007 06:01:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2007 06:01:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.214) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2007 06:01:03 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2007 06:00:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2007 06:00:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2007 06:00:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 06:00:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.8 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Sound Solution plug-in X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=7UQ4WpY4dYwPWZrLbnlPybmhJJBYdXH96gfcFp7AiMWGKd7oEQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI GANG!!! Thank you so much to Kevin and others about the excellent "Sound=20 Solution" plug-in to my personal WinAmp. It's a very good software, so closely to the original Orban Optimod-FM=20 (maybe better?). I got it, FREE, from an italian webpage, but it's in english. I looked=20 for it with the Yahoo! searching as "SOUND SOLUTION". It's a great option to all the "poor"/limited financial state radio=20 stations (like me). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon May 21 23:16:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48330 invoked from network); 22 May 2007 06:16:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2007 06:16:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2007 06:16:14 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2007 06:15:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2007 06:15:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2007 06:15:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 06:15:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.73.201.167 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: To the AM Tuner modifier X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=fdvvTRJ9ZH_hJ-LL2CC1JBevoibivxoKyMpf9gjXdEk X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi Juan=20 I've uploaded at files section the full schem & PCB design (nothing=20 special indeed, it's just the basic application of the MC13028=20 realised at a small PCB with some extras). The problem isn't the=20 schematic to use it, it's to locate and buy IC's, as you have to buy=20 them in bulk orders of more than 500 pcs! and mostly the ceramic=20 resonators (those are quite difficult to obtain, had bought some from=20 Chris but they never got to Greece as they seem to be losted=20 somewhere inbetween... so I 've made a custom order of 2000pcs at=20 Murata).=20 About the connection of the board in a JVC FX311L or any other=20 similar tuner, is quite simple for tech skilled man. All you have to=20 do is to locate the AM IF section at first, find the 450 or 455KHz=20 ceramic filter used at it, and connect the board IF input right after=20 it! Then you should find the stereo audio output path after the FM=20 stereo decoder and consider if it's better to connect L&R outputs of=20 the board, before or after the LPF circuit that it's usually found=20 there just before the rear output connectors of the tuner!=20 It's also possible on most tuners to also lit the "STEREO" indicator=20 used for FM Stereo, just by tripping the same path used from FM MPX=20 decoder to lit that. That is done by simple connecting the "LED"=20 output of DQAM1 board to the pin of the FM MPX IC that drives the=20 stereo indicator for FM! It works almost at all tuners I've checked=20 till now (and have checked at least 30 different types and brands)!=20 Finally any point in the tuner that can provide a DC voltage from 8=20 to 15V is used to supply power to the DQAM1 board!=20 There are also optional connections on board to turn Stereo/Mono=20 operation and to "Mute" the audio coming out from it, but those are=20 for more 'sophisticated' installations when needed...=20 Hope these helps somewhat to understand how it goes!=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > HI GANG!!! >=20 > I want to say a word to the good brother who uploaded a very good=20 > picture of an old JVC AM tuner modified to C-QUAM: >=20 > Can you upload an electronic schematic circuit of that=20 modification?=20 > Specifically the connecting points between the original board and=20 the=20 > additional "new" board, please!!! Of course, if you can upload the=20 > electronic diagram of the C-QUAM "new" board... it'd be great!!! >=20 > And, an aditional question to the forum: >=20 > Does somebody have a direct contact with the Meduci factory? I=20 think=20 > their AMX-2000 is a very good tuner but... Why not to add a digital=20 > synthesizer/display and a good stereo amplifier with integrated=20 > loudspeakers? Why not to add a car version to the "new" series? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > From ai9e_qrp@yahoo.com Tue May 22 03:13:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ai9e_qrp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19704 invoked from network); 22 May 2007 10:13:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2007 10:13:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web35405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.179.114) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2007 10:13:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 38494 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2007 10:12:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zHrKi0YVM1kcCaM.7.9WiNHy2vA4lcGXV_zcUzOUqlM8cU6eYMw5BS5hFBz_jHX4BnRFF.ks4KqC6xVWDYWKIvm4itX1jOBL1P8aAOyGHrI26mrB3sWutj17mLaH9w-- Received: from [71.32.71.65] by web35405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 May 2007 03:12:48 PDT Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 03:12:48 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <49670.38043.qm@web35405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.179.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: david cripe Subject: Re: Harris AMS - G1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=241001136; y=_8pil9GsMVDijtXtEFRb09A2T7mC-rV0HwbEHit1hS1p_YA X-Yahoo-Profile: ai9e_qrp Hi, all. I'd like to introduce myself - I was the designer of the Harris AMS-G1, all those many years ago. It was heavily inspired by the Motorola CQUAM exciter, with generous technical assistance provided by Greg Buchwald of Motorola. The SX/DX jumpers not only switched in IPM correction circuitry for the Gates/SX transmitters, but took out a big slug of the group delay equalization not needed with the DX transmitters. I'd love to know how many are still on the air today - here in the midwest I can only pick up a couple of CQUAM signals. 73 and Regards to all - Dave AI9E ____________________________________________________________________________________Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue May 22 03:28:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27413 invoked from network); 22 May 2007 10:28:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2007 10:28:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2007 10:28:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2007 10:26:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2007 10:26:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:26:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.15.218 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: To the AM Tuner modifier X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=Li-3aFnX4YFb6dN2oVf9OwjSBOKqB0PfkFgMBjnfSC1Mn-7t X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > And, an aditional question to the forum: >=20 > Does somebody have a direct contact with the Meduci factory? I think=20 > their AMX-2000 is a very good tuner but... Why not to add a digital=20 > synthesizer/display and a good stereo amplifier with integrated=20 > loudspeakers? Why not to add a car version to the "new" series? Jeff Deck occasionally post here- He IS Meduci. He already has a deluxe model with digital display, rack mountable, and suitable for both high-end audio and as a station monitor, and costs only $325. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue May 22 08:08:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 692 invoked from network); 22 May 2007 15:08:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2007 15:08:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.163) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2007 15:08:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 12969 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2007 15:08:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: yNCMdZQVM1kIq.frPfIi_2YBv6Lu_jwhyQV8KfAomCt.3oegRAYMSeW36J.PsNVyh3iQjX6yaQ-- Received: from [209.213.19.137] by web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 May 2007 08:08:02 PDT Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 08:08:02 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <128194.12113.qm@web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} To the AM Tuner modifier X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=jZILq_e1_yF07qhMrdRCTsUimfTHUVOzvYRKOhR1Iz0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jotape1960 wrote: > Does somebody have a direct contact with the Meduci > factory? I think > their AMX-2000 is a very good tuner but... Why not > to add a digital > synthesizer/display and a good stereo amplifier with > integrated > loudspeakers? Why not to add a car version to the > "new" series? Digital makes it too noisy. Jeff is on the list isn't he? He can fill us in. Powell From kc8gpd@gmail.com Tue May 22 08:09:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47497 invoked from network); 22 May 2007 15:09:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2007 15:09:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.248) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2007 15:09:11 -0000 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c17so440848anc for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 08:09:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:disposition-notification-to:x-mimeole; b=UsW9BMycSCjH/Y+q983WaY3uSMnRKyTJplftHS59KPos0vsxzUp52xx7QEw8rvTZ16aDoKkCNgGI9JXbFKac8WLlXb5TFzCrCML5OX0aYmEyrJ6QIUdbQeSMbPazAK12trf3SIKiBIlxYOyUZ/W9KqgVE8p4meZcEFWEnVZKiK8= Received: by 10.100.200.12 with SMTP id x12mr3915773anf.1179846541857; Tue, 22 May 2007 08:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mobiledj ( [71.2.32.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id i20sm746401wxd.2007.05.22.08.08.59; Tue, 22 May 2007 08:09:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000f01c79c83$22453c00$6801a8c0@mobiledj> To: References: <003a01c79bdb$790348f0$0301a8c0@office> <005801c79c10$5f41b520$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:09:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.248 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM C-QUAM Stereo transmitter is now available (limited quantity) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=311326476; y=sWAq8zkkebJ9LCe6OLIf5tBFaQ-DKoHYHdHopG-g-bA7 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit it can still be installed in a manner which does not comply with part 15.219. such as an elevated installation with a long conductor to earth ground and the Hamilton can be cranked to 800mW although you lose headroom in doing so. ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 9:27 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM C-QUAM Stereo transmitter is now available (limited quantity) I thought the Rangemaster was certified... Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" > there has been a real step up on enforcement in the am medium wave band in > the USA pertaining to uncertified kits. they have levied fines against a 3rd > party who was building SSTRAN transmitters and reselling them. my friend was > busted running a hamilton rangemaster here and the FCC agent said an > uncertified transmitter running under part 15.219 is an automatic failed > inspection. I don't know about tx's operating under part 15.209. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue May 22 08:10:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64511 invoked from network); 22 May 2007 15:09:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2007 15:09:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2007 15:09:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 85882 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2007 15:06:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2uc9l78VM1lJt1dLgwL_sMcR.yCSs7ISvuXE5j0o4ybxOV1hHpg2KtZ6BExoWbYukYYZL9dYQw-- Received: from [209.213.19.137] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 May 2007 08:06:00 PDT Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 08:06:00 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <005801c79c10$5f41b520$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <573884.85618.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM C-QUAM Stereo transmitter is now available (limited quantity) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=vK-stXMrZdDvw5dshNzn6AzX5-QR7MCNrZBwqiz-1r8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Scott Todd wrote: > I thought the Rangemaster was certified... > > Scott Todd It is IF and only IF you use their total solution, OR the FCC inspector was being a Pedantic Piss Ant... Powell From wa2fnq@optonline.net Wed May 23 07:06:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46130 invoked from network); 23 May 2007 14:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2007 14:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.9) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2007 14:06:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2007 14:04:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2007 14:04:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:04:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <49670.38043.qm@web35405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: Harris AMS - G1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=jRnHkRMIucWHiBco8hU8ya14yJh-Ume-7qa-QpokoVRk X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq I have one going in on my part 15 station. Does that count?? I got to tell you, IMHO, it looks like a pretty neat unit. I don't=20 have a schematic but looking inside it seemed, for the most part, to=20 be pretty self explanitory. Very nicely done. I figured out the=20 DX/SX jumpers for myself and keeping my hands off everything else it=20 performed exellently through my test transmitter on the bench.=20 Good job!! Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, david cripe =20 wrote: > > Hi, all. I'd like to introduce myself - I was the > designer of the Harris AMS-G1, all those many years > ago. It was heavily inspired by the Motorola CQUAM > exciter, with generous technical assistance provided > by Greg Buchwald of Motorola. >=20 > The SX/DX jumpers not only switched in IPM correction > circuitry for the Gates/SX transmitters, but took out > a big slug of the group delay equalization not needed > with the DX transmitters. >=20 > I'd love to know how many are still on the air today - > here in the midwest I can only pick up a couple of > CQUAM signals. >=20 > 73 and Regards to all - >=20 > Dave AI9E >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 _____________________________________________________________________ _______________Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network=20 Research Panel today!=20=20=20 http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=3D7 > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed May 23 09:21:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30367 invoked from network); 23 May 2007 16:21:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2007 16:21:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2007 16:21:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 46705 invoked by uid 60001); 23 May 2007 16:21:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 43PQHsAVM1lmVUX1jASoEa.fSOEewNIrdrjvp4bWxSdqwtDKe.dnbYZ.IVX6TcRX7lEOGlV2uCUxmRd9UK80Bhf99Ow8_a4M7SSD1FhSFyQjihw- Received: from [72.241.129.52] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 May 2007 09:21:05 PDT Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 09:21:05 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <270513.98690.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: Harris AMS - G1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=Zp33-JRGyKFyXoRl1Tx5XHKa9eKUK9jmR-9sw-ZwNf4ab943Ou-L4Kc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hey Dave, AI9E, WELCOME to the board. We certainly admire your work here. The old STX1 Harris VPM/CQuam modified units had the analog audio time delay in them didn't they? John, K8DAD ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed May 23 09:23:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67987 invoked from network); 23 May 2007 16:23:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2007 16:23:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2007 16:23:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 96295 invoked by uid 60001); 23 May 2007 16:22:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 86FdDuIVM1maRIMJABHa3EHMj54VeCPJFYrwlp0mLdSmS.nioV5DxSnLxNTRmN1Zt6TJS8BZag95dZ3pxUQKteO2mcnJoOd7.Eb4bJGUtTZm2HnjksoJD_sA9g-- Received: from [72.241.129.52] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 May 2007 09:22:01 PDT Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 09:22:01 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <407085.95313.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: AM Stereo MUSIC THIS Weekend WLS-89AMS! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=vO2-Rbuv-gQCGrtGKFQd_mrWrg09Lv6qEOMCVUFZM9pTZAH2fMjOA5E X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Tune-in this weekend folks: Bob Feder in the Sun-Times has a note in today's column that WLS will bring back the oldies on Monday, May 28th. EXCERPT: From 5 a.m. to midnight May 28, regular programming will be pre-empted for a Memorial Day spectacular starring Superjock Larry Lujack, Fred Winston, John Records Landecker, Jeff Davis, Chris Shebel and Tom Kent. All were part of the '70s and '80s rock era at WLS. ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed May 23 13:33:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4163 invoked from network); 23 May 2007 20:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2007 20:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2007 20:30:53 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.235.251.4.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.235.251.4]) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HqxTX-000482-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 23 May 2007 16:30:28 -0400 Message-ID: <46536415.9020901@peoplepc.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 17:43:49 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sound Solution plug-in X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=3KMDRv0QO5b6Hp6_q07Ps-OqvKqEelxvwjas7YFhVg51YhKhg0AestU8fz7DLQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jotape1960 wrote: > HI GANG!!! > > Thank you so much to Kevin and others about the excellent "Sound > Solution" plug-in to my personal WinAmp. > I am glad you like it. It is the cheapest way I know for a little guy to get the Big Sound. Kevin From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed May 23 21:52:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35611 invoked from network); 24 May 2007 04:52:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2007 04:52:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.22) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2007 04:52:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2007 04:52:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2007 04:52:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 04:52:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <46536415.9020901@peoplepc.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.38 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sound Solution plug-in X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=bo5mrE56VfZHhck2xX2A0E67tjaeyi5XCsVt5sYnkbsDUZ0bew X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter=20 wrote: > > jotape1960 wrote: > > HI GANG!!! > > > > Thank you so much to Kevin and others about the excellent "Sound=20 > > Solution" plug-in to my personal WinAmp. > >=20=20=20 >=20 > I am glad you like it. It is the cheapest way I know for a little=20 guy to=20 > get the Big Sound. >=20 > Kevin > Hi Kevin!!! As now I know you're an expert in the "rare" free sound applications=20 on the web, I wanna ask you something: 1) Do you know if there is something like a free real time composite=20 stereo generator software? 2) The same but to C-QUAM? 3) Do you know if there is something like "Sound Solution" but=20 intended to the old "Cool Edit Pro"? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From orxata_d_xufa@yahoo.es Fri May 25 05:04:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: orxata_d_xufa@yahoo.es X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9044 invoked from network); 25 May 2007 12:04:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2007 12:04:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.207) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2007 12:04:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2007 12:01:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2007 12:01:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 12:01:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 81.202.78.222 From: "orxata_d_xufa" Subject: Re: Sound Solution plug-in X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192122520; y=Pffi5jNBnG3HsUiidmJrjUooa1oLREqcNJpm-2ZRCV4qbOIoi-jVhA X-Yahoo-Profile: orxata_d_xufa --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: >=20 > 1) Do you know if there is something like a free real time composite=20 > stereo generator software? Check: www.heinecke.nl It's a mpx/rds/audio processor software solution,you only need a 192k=20 sound card. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri May 25 17:18:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63714 invoked from network); 26 May 2007 00:18:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2007 00:18:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2007 00:18:53 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.28]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 178061608-1881964 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 19:18:40 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <007801c79f2b$e25cef60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <49670.38043.qm@web35405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 19:21:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 4, in=3, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.28 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Harris AMS - G1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=T5rDtdx7mgZlS9tmyNsOeUcgszA8fBy_zP-k27EQMSctsfZ0i0ja X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I think there's still one going at KKIN 930 Aitkin MN. I also have one in my shop that I was going to recrystal and possibly shotgun the lytics in it for a friend in CA, but he's having trouble finding a station interested in taking it. I suppose I should buy it off of him and use it at one of the stations I engineer at. I've also got a BE exciter I'd like to use, but don't know how compatible it would be with a Harris rig, though I bet it would be OK with a Nautel. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "david cripe" > Hi, all. I'd like to introduce myself - I was the > designer of the Harris AMS-G1, all those many years > ago. > > I'd love to know how many are still on the air today - > here in the midwest I can only pick up a couple of > CQUAM signals. From chrysafis74@comcast.net Fri May 25 17:43:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: chrysafis74@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10015 invoked from network); 26 May 2007 00:43:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2007 00:43:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc14.comcast.net) (63.240.77.84) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2007 00:43:33 -0000 Received: from office (c-68-37-195-197.hsd1.nj.comcast.net[68.37.195.197]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2007052600211101400dd0cte>; Sat, 26 May 2007 00:21:11 +0000 Message-ID: <038101c79f2b$c4508590$0301a8c0@office> To: References: <49670.38043.qm@web35405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <007801c79f2b$e25cef60$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 20:21:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000743-5, 05/25/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 63.240.77.84 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Harris AMS - G1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=312222918; y=CtpqoNsi-_gZ85OMzu1lF1mC1C68Whs4C3c3bn2zASST X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd "I also have one in my shop that I was going to recrystal and possibly shotgun the lytics in it" i probably should do mine as well :) From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri May 25 18:36:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39839 invoked from network); 26 May 2007 01:36:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2007 01:36:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.56) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2007 01:36:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2007 01:35:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2007 01:35:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 01:35:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.15.218 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Sound Solution plug-in X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=-nefCsu3OkujXJ1V3fGm9TQnBupdeWdtNiw-F5pS6TJnu9gE X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "orxata_d_xufa" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 > wrote: > >=20 > > 1) Do you know if there is something like a free real time composite=20 > > stereo generator software? >=20 > Check: www.heinecke.nl >=20 > It's a mpx/rds/audio processor software solution,you only need a 192k=20 > sound card. That's not at all what Juan wants or asked for-- An FM stereo exciter on a soundcard isn't what he wants. All he wants to do is convert his audiofiles from being L/R to (L+R)/(L-R). Electronically, he could make this: http://tinyurl.com/33dxfx - It can be used to dematrix a composite (matrixed- (L-R)/(L+R)) or matrix a discreet (L/R) stereo signal. For more, go here: http://tinyurl.com/h824q C-QUAM AM stereo, unlike FM stereo, doesn't use subcarriers- It uses co-carriers in quadrature, or phased 90deg. apart- The in-phase being the L+R (mono/sum) audio while the quadratureed, or phased, signal carries the L-R (stereo difference) audio signal. ISB AM stereo also does this, but the L-R's polarity is reversed, which allows for phase cancellation to create the distinctive L/R pattern on the lower & upper sidebands, respectively. FM stereo uses alot of bandwidth because instaad of sharing the same carrier, it superimposes a pilot subcarrier at 10kHz in the baseband, with the L-R audio at twice the pilot's frequency (38kHz) and the RDS subcarrier at 3 times the pilot (57kHz). You'd need at least 128kHz sample rate on a soundcard just to generate this much of a baseband. That's where the generator software, which I'm replying here to, comes in. Like I said, that isn't what Juan is looking for. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat May 26 10:24:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20363 invoked from network); 26 May 2007 17:24:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2007 17:24:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.226) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2007 17:24:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 73928 invoked by uid 60001); 26 May 2007 17:24:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: E9Ojve4VM1lt8ZqvfShiZQ31UBfvO2WK_JEc3NzKa1Lw0cyDr_UQ.BrAZJKaJApU8Q-- Received: from [70.20.12.42] by web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 26 May 2007 10:24:02 PDT Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 10:24:02 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <726922.73668.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM C-QUAM Stereo transmitter is now available (limited quantity) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=8uXkmFO8xeExGMf-hlGrQ6JSo6vxkch564Qk6-UpiQNNbmFx1W96 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio It's too bad that that A.M. Stereo box can't be pushed up past 1885kc. as that is the standard A.M. frequency on 160m here in the U.S.. I think 1900, 1945 & 1985 are also used. 73, Jay, N1WVQ ____________________________________________________________________________________Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat May 26 14:26:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70866 invoked from network); 26 May 2007 21:26:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2007 21:26:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.187) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2007 21:26:33 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n5.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2007 21:26:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2007 21:26:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2007 21:26:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 21:26:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <726922.73668.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.14.51 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM C-QUAM Stereo transmitter is now available (limited quantity) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=O0MB7wF0OU39MiGIfaubBRqAewBg5TdcUI7DWL4XpLjX6dZA X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > It's too bad that that A.M. Stereo box can't be > pushed up past 1885kc. as that is the standard > A.M. frequency on 160m here in the U.S.. I think > 1900, 1945 & 1985 are also used. >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ Or up in the 75m (3.8MHz) AM Window, as several (such as Jerry, WA2FNQ) in the mortheastern region of the US have done. (How does it dound? Like this: http://tinyurl.com/34ups8 (MP3), and this: http://tinyurl.com/2ssnb6 (MP3). More info about Jerry's AMS foray here: http://www.wa2fnq.com/fnq/amstrdoc.htm ) Part-15 operations are allowed, under different specs than for the broadcast AM band, below 10MHz and in a portion of the 13.5MHz SW broadcast band, as well as the 160-190kHz window in the longwave band, here in the US, so it's often a good idea to think if someone wants to do out-of-band AMS. (I did suggest to one AMS radiomaker about having a shortwave-capable AMS tuner, particularly for the Atlantic and northeastern US regions, where AMS amateur radio is a reality- I'm on the west coast, so it's unlikely I'd receive them, even if I had one, and get a QSL card for the effort. :( ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat May 26 21:22:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25801 invoked from network); 27 May 2007 04:21:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2007 04:21:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.166) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2007 04:21:42 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n7.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2007 04:21:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2007 04:21:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2007 04:21:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 04:21:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.54 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Sound Solution plug-in X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=qV-0hArtnCFflL3IY_M6xGJiPmKN5lT2zf-by5eUY7u147djpA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "orxata_d_xufa" > wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 > > wrote: > > >=20 > > > 1) Do you know if there is something like a free real time=20 composite=20 > > > stereo generator software? > >=20 > > Check: www.heinecke.nl > >=20 > > It's a mpx/rds/audio processor software solution,you only need a=20 192k=20 > > sound card. >=20 > That's not at all what Juan wants or asked for-- An FM stereo=20 exciter > on a soundcard isn't what he wants. >=20 > All he wants to do is convert his audiofiles from being L/R to > (L+R)/(L-R). >=20 > Electronically, he could make this: http://tinyurl.com/33dxfx - It=20 can > be used to dematrix a composite (matrixed- (L-R)/(L+R)) or matrix a > discreet (L/R) stereo signal. For more, go here:=20 http://tinyurl.com/h824q >=20 > C-QUAM AM stereo, unlike FM stereo, doesn't use subcarriers- It=20 uses > co-carriers in quadrature, or phased 90deg. apart- The in-phase=20 being > the L+R (mono/sum) audio while the quadratureed, or phased, signal > carries the L-R (stereo difference) audio signal. ISB AM stereo=20 also > does this, but the L-R's polarity is reversed, which allows for=20 phase > cancellation to create the distinctive L/R pattern on the lower & > upper sidebands, respectively. >=20 > FM stereo uses alot of bandwidth because instaad of sharing the=20 same > carrier, it superimposes a pilot subcarrier at 10kHz in the=20 baseband, > with the L-R audio at twice the pilot's frequency (38kHz) and the=20 RDS > subcarrier at 3 times the pilot (57kHz). You'd need at least 128kHz > sample rate on a soundcard just to generate this much of a=20 baseband. > That's where the generator software, which I'm replying here to,=20 comes > in. Like I said, that isn't what Juan is looking for. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP!!! I'd been tried the two ways. I have an enough wide sound card to the=20 first idea so I downloaded the software but... something is wrong=20 with the program itself because, at least in my spectrum analyzer,=20 there is too much noise above 15 khz (unacceptable into=20 the "standard" radio) from the main channel, then the stereo=20 recovering is so bad. The second solution (Amy's idea), my friend=20 (the engineer) did it and it works so fine but... it's=20 the "hardware" domain and, actually, I want to know if somebody have=20 studied the way to use an standard PC to GENERATE all the AM signal,=20 mono and/or stereo. OK, it sounds as a crazy idea to use a simple commercial PC to=20 replace an AM exciter. After all, I'm a crazy man so... But, maybe it isn't a bad idea at all, because an standard PC is=20 more cheap than an standard AM exciter, or not? And if you think=20 about the poor side of the world (as my country), then... it's an=20 interesting idea. But, the final reason to do that, isn't a money ONLY issue. I'm=20 thinking about some capabilities we could get with the fact to use=20 the digital domain in this area: best sound quality, less=20 interferences with the adjacent channels, best modulation control,=20 etc. That's all. Of course, I guess we'd need some "hardware" part (an special PCI=20 card, or an USB external device) maybe. But... my question is about if IS THERE SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN=20 SOMEWHERE IN THE WEB. So, if you know something, please let me know,=20 ok? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun May 27 00:30:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96050 invoked from network); 27 May 2007 07:30:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2007 07:30:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.110) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2007 07:30:32 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n12.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2007 07:29:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2007 07:29:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2007 07:29:18 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 07:29:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.14.51 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Sound Solution plug-in X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=shxTEdCGCs77bTeM6fzw3tw-jfXhp8qeLHW9CBVlT6zDjcT3 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > But... my question is about if IS THERE SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN=20 > SOMEWHERE IN THE WEB. So, if you know something, please let me know,=20 > ok? Yes. The Dream DRM software receiver (http://drm.sourceforge.net/ ) not only decodes DRM as well as AM and narrowband (ham-type) FM, but is capable of generating them as well. Mono AM, though.=20 Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun May 27 06:13:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51789 invoked from network); 27 May 2007 13:13:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2007 13:13:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.225) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2007 13:13:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 10792 invoked by uid 60001); 27 May 2007 13:13:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: gTltjKkVM1k.y4K9.SbRBlZzChdWp7KwhOhZISmNjq0VT23l.RMPfNpY2xgrCKVircJP0mujfPbW1MLc0AmG9nE6WGHzq0QfIsccdSNvXT3vJ07azYGGfOYEQAEAihyyiPE35cxpB48SjAJSeq.4bnxX Received: from [70.109.220.74] by web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 May 2007 06:13:00 PDT Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 06:13:00 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <930956.5210.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM C-QUAM Stereo transmitter is now available (limited quantity) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=Zq9_iK7h8b8ZIzF25d-eu3tIdZJCtxdAwFWF0QPhZADpDTGcj-e0 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Well if I ever do a setup the frequency will be 1979kc.- the same # as the year of my birth! ____________________________________________________________________________________Be a better Heartthrob. 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Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sun May 27 08:36:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51753 invoked from network); 27 May 2007 15:36:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2007 15:36:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.164) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2007 15:36:01 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n6.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2007 15:36:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2007 15:36:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2007 15:36:00 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 15:35:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <726922.73668.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.73.197.114 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM C-QUAM Stereo transmitter is now available (limited quantity) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=IPLjaOI9ebgeAok8z90UdGBOAWAYo3ail-MnicZquCM X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 Well we can do it just by a minor firmware change and a little=20 modification of the output LPF we have on it.=20 Is the 1900KHz the upper limit or you've got more "room"to play=20 there?=20 The DDS we use for can be set to work anywhere from 150KHz to 2.5MHz=20 and by some circuit changes at the output reconstruction filter of it=20 can do it also to work up to 6Mhz, but that will also demand specific=20 band limiting thru the output LPF of the unit.=20 Best regasrds=20 Sotiris=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > It's too bad that that A.M. Stereo box can't be > pushed up past 1885kc. as that is the standard > A.M. frequency on 160m here in the U.S.. I think > 1900, 1945 & 1985 are also used. >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 ______________________________________________________________________ ______________Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in=20 your pocket: mail, news, photos & more.=20 > http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=3D1GNXIC > From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun May 27 08:49:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80407 invoked from network); 27 May 2007 15:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2007 15:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.233) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2007 15:49:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 47934 invoked by uid 60001); 27 May 2007 15:49:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FnZACmQVM1lTbNlB3ZaN.n2Bj2XKAl_70W9g8swHc6x.8qOB8kJpBmAtBymY_2esackbgGrZP3OWHwjly0dvLFHeoYrmnQFVLwSDTvB_zKPQUCNmMb0uS8MEazIOuMsITgcWexfBSCp43b0- Received: from [70.20.12.42] by web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 May 2007 08:49:30 PDT Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 08:49:30 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <884086.47773.qm@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM C-QUAM Stereo transmitter is now available (limited quantity) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=kG0C_KKb1WntfDyHlj33ygeS_n-nKykGUmEokJMO1jpinx-mLgvu X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Nice! Our 160m band ends @ 2000. We in Region 2 used to have to protect some other service (military radar) & were limited in power, frequency & time-of-day but now we have the full 200kc. from 1800-2000. Just out of curiosity, the T.V. XMTR listed on your page will transmit all the way up to 890Mc.? So in theory it will transmit on channel 83? (channel 83= video: 885.25Mc., audio: 889.75Mc., NTSC System M) 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun May 27 17:08:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41031 invoked from network); 28 May 2007 00:06:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2007 00:06:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2007 00:06:48 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.170]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 178494176-1881964 for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 19:04:53 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <004101c7a0bc$4c8aa940$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 19:08:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 1, in=1, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.170 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sound Solution plug-in X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=Tj4RjHznbpCtIva1gz0mAQFu5FZuv_HuQDIOJJ9NgJ7tjI84-EGW X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Unfortunately to get really good results requires a sound card that could cost far more than the PC it's installed in. The top notch ones used in radio station automations are frequently $2600. Is there any chance you could provide us with a realistic figure in USD as to how much your station could spend? Perhaps there's a used equipment option. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" OK, it sounds as a crazy idea to use a simple commercial PC to replace an AM exciter. After all, I'm a crazy man so... But, maybe it isn't a bad idea at all, because an standard PC is more cheap than an standard AM exciter, or not? And if you think about the poor side of the world (as my country), then... it's an interesting idea. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun May 27 20:24:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60689 invoked from network); 28 May 2007 03:24:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2007 03:24:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.235) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2007 03:24:31 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n24.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2007 03:23:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2007 03:23:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2007 03:23:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 03:23:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.235 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.85.219 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Kahn AM Stereo print ad X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=PG1pec1hJn14kc9hir60WNp8pfrBtrBWbSedhp9muFFXJHsQJA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Interesting old ad featuring Kahn's "Stereo-Stereo" tuner: http://cgi.ebay.com/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D170115458502 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon May 28 07:32:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15514 invoked from network); 28 May 2007 14:32:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2007 14:32:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.163) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2007 14:32:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 53586 invoked by uid 60001); 28 May 2007 14:31:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ol4VQJYVM1kOKihRf33_PL16sELz3oaooKk_Hz.C7.hGzccRQRpfmSjyIMO8a9waC4a7dj92VJm70nU4LI6rt2hM_7rWjqNQJ_LNOMDlwTOI0xwtN57k3dosPw-- Received: from [72.241.129.52] by web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 May 2007 07:31:20 PDT Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 07:31:20 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <541550.53583.qm@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re:Kahn AM Stereo print ad X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=0ync1579bJuuo7LD5iqAX4RnF_gIoSMVxqn3cAJknDCtRWyoqwLi_zc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Wow, I had a booklet similar to that at one time that Dr. Kahn mailed me when WSPD was a Kahn station, too bad I can't find it anymore. Doesn't one of our list memebers own a Kahn StereoStereo tuner? Speaking of WSPD, they turned on their IBOC buzzsaws 20KHz above and 20KHz below their main channel recently. ____________________________________________________________________________________Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon May 28 07:43:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78496 invoked from network); 28 May 2007 14:43:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2007 14:43:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2007 14:43:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 16685 invoked by uid 60001); 28 May 2007 14:42:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ktcD3bIVM1kuKLepgvfppJ7OS_RMkmq6hD6Fz1bttT5sXMY0sEIV00UXrHjZchvf.ZBOczxarHAWmVAYLaTW2beJEfd17kp2YxyYUq0XSQLCn3p8b1cWSgoK9w-- Received: from [72.241.129.52] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 May 2007 07:42:47 PDT Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 07:42:47 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <120626.16631.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Why IBOC will fail - at least locally X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=Ort_onYMkAGdlPaAJCQjBVGX5UJ15SyZnhAJwpLvBXj1dTMM45ifsEc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I went to 5 local stores to "hear" IBOC/HD radio last week: Radio Shack, Circuit City, another Radio Shack, ABC Warehouse, and Best Buy. Guess how many stores I could hear HD Radio at? ZERO! That's right - ZERO. (RS both had 1 tabletop, other 3 each had the JVC car radio). At least back in January 1986 I could hear my local AM stereo station in stereo at the Radio Shack where I bought the tuner, but not so for "hearing" HD. One Radio Shack had the HD radio out and plugged-in, but it could not decode one of the 6 FM or the 1 AM HD stations inside the store. The other RS refused to take the radio out of the box so I could put it by the window and try it. Circuit City didn't "have their antenna hooked-up", while ABC Warehouse DID have the antenna hooked-up (as it was the only place I could actually see the display say "HD") but DIDN'T have the audio hooked-up! Best Buy had neither antenna or audio either. So what I'm getting at is, as a devoted radio guy, I went to 5 stores with $200 in my hand, and came back with nothing as I couldn't actully 'hear' what I should be paying extra for. HD cannot succeed without someplace to actually hear the radios. The two local radio monopolies should set-up HD listening booths at their remotes or something like that, or these radios (ought) to be on clearance really soon. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon May 28 07:44:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3310 invoked from network); 28 May 2007 14:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2007 14:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.152) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2007 14:44:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 18911 invoked by uid 60001); 28 May 2007 14:43:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: hf3JxtsVM1ninLA20yDfEAbZkJVDTvZnJNnh1O9rHDB4A4GKA_Ut7wL3GUci8XZ4jzrSM3ZFcaTs7gx1wNzQ5zn7ot11qpmKx.kO9dPg6eLVnnujQlEg5cWKpw-- Received: from [72.241.129.52] by web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 May 2007 07:43:44 PDT Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 07:43:44 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <139736.18898.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: WLS CQuam Stereo Today? or tonight? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=7e8rJDOr4SO5Yo5rmjVHZaEFYWkRhuL0iTATQVd5MJ_edsoCnGP1Pm0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Can anyone verify if WLS is in CQuam stereo for their music retro-day today? ____________________________________________________________________________________Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon May 28 08:45:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71898 invoked from network); 28 May 2007 15:45:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2007 15:45:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s29.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.165) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2007 15:45:24 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.120]) by bay0-omc2-s29.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 28 May 2007 08:45:23 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 28 May 2007 08:45:23 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 28 May 2007 15:45:21 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 15:45:21 +0000 X-Priority: 1 Importance: High Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 May 2007 15:45:23.0611 (UTC) FILETIME=[345166B0:01C7A13F] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.165 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: RE: {AMSF} WLS CQuam Stereo Today? or tonight? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=CwFfeUe6oK5-cxAeKwWZrrOCyrOiFnBLQog6xdnfUmhwmS-u2VEMh8zzz6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Hi John, several months ago, I visitied a Radio Shack that is about 3 air miles away from an IBOC fm station, the fm station is 100,000 watts with a 750 foot tower, the Radio Shack store did have the Accurian hd radio out of the box, hooked up and it was right smack against an exterior window, but with only the loop antenna that comes with it and even then it could not decode the IBOC signal, so I guess with at least that Accurian radio, if you're not literally in the shadow of the antenna, you will need at the very least rabbit ears. Now onto your second question, which I forwarded to Dennis' list since Dave of Marietta had mentioned in a prior post that he is in Chicago this weekend and this is her response: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They are running IBOC (wish I had one of my IBOC receivers with me). Will probably be in AM stereo tonight. Dave in GA (currently in Chicago) From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon May 28 10:31:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44319 invoked from network); 28 May 2007 17:31:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2007 17:31:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.243) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2007 17:31:59 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n27.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2007 17:31:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2007 17:31:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2007 17:31:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 17:31:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <884086.47773.qm@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.243 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.73.197.114 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM C-QUAM Stereo transmitter is now available (limited quantity) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=Xb-xBx64GJZoe3_CxssyglqohF5hSrYqK2fvfJBgVHM X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 The UTV100TX covers all NTSC bands (2-13VHF, 14-83UHF) so yes it does=20 also for ch83!=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Nice! Our 160m band ends @ 2000. We in Region 2 > used to have to protect some other service > (military radar) & were limited in power, > frequency & time-of-day but now we have the full > 200kc. from 1800-2000. >=20 > Just out of curiosity, the T.V. XMTR listed on > your page will transmit all the way up to 890Mc.? > So in theory it will transmit on channel 83? > (channel 83=3D video: 885.25Mc., audio: 889.75Mc., > NTSC System M) >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative=20 vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. > http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon May 28 13:30:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19029 invoked from network); 28 May 2007 20:29:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2007 20:29:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2007 20:29:01 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.232]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 179219457-1881964 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 15:17:05 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c7a165$a53f33e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <139736.18898.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 15:20:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet ip=64.61.220.232 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS CQuam Stereo Today? or tonight? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=2KD9emP9Bc0DtlO9WDmWFaezgq7Q0QldBciAiYb7pONpYcM43748 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Not sure about the day signal, but night should be. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." To: Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: {AMSF} WLS CQuam Stereo Today? or tonight? > Can anyone verify if WLS is in CQuam stereo for their music retro-day today? > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/820 - Release Date: 5/27/07 12:31 PM > > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon May 28 13:39:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84038 invoked from network); 28 May 2007 20:37:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2007 20:37:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2007 20:37:47 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.232]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 179222503-1881964 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 15:32:31 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c7a167$cd899dc0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 15:35:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.232 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM C-QUAM Stereo transmitter is now available (limited quantity) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=YS7SppKlrjSMV2PCLuyW7jbmh2ByY41VELXdx6jjFB98OzUtseW4 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I must have missed the link. What was it? I might be interested. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sotiris" > Hi > The UTV100TX covers all NTSC bands (2-13VHF, 14-83UHF) so yes it does > also for ch83! > Best regards > Sotiris > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon May 28 16:12:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59566 invoked from network); 28 May 2007 23:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2007 23:04:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2007 23:04:53 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.253]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 176034788-1881964 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 18:03:03 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <006501c7a17c$d553bd00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <884086.47773.qm@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 18:06:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet ip=64.61.220.253 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM C-QUAM Stereo transmitter is now available (limited quantity) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=cJvKrUfHDPEbGZAtJGLc-Dku0nYI0FkGSWB7cRuuPEcbl-EQL10j X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Remember, a lot of that spectrum has been reassigned. Might want to be careful you're not interfering with cellular or some such. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" > > Just out of curiosity, the T.V. XMTR listed on > your page will transmit all the way up to 890Mc.? > So in theory it will transmit on channel 83? > (channel 83= video: 885.25Mc., audio: 889.75Mc., > NTSC System M) From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue May 29 04:10:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3921 invoked from network); 29 May 2007 11:10:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2007 11:10:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.228) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2007 11:10:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 73933 invoked by uid 60001); 29 May 2007 11:10:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lLs0nPwVM1nGrkadMhjYC.x0Iu1u3A13fRAABcbZw8c9dbEqSC.hALL6kcvbEhybU1zBmWfZN6ecu5_1r78DAQ6RIQDJ6KR4yI66PPXBDlk.76IO5ogq5exFdw5_CbW1Eu17mjwIEDmAWYwdlBtS0jTS Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 May 2007 04:10:20 PDT Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 04:10:20 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004e01c7a167$cd899dc0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <194141.73184.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM C-QUAM Stereo transmitter is now available (limited quantity) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=iosVnoMqCgK4Br4fOjBvFnRN4vou5aJPkmtc2lIVRVw37T3yFKBJ X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio www.aspisys.com. As for going up to channel 83, isn't this essentially a cable modulator in that it doesn't radiate outside of the coax? I have a UHF/cable modulator that does that. Also if the chip for the A.M. stereo XMTR. can go to 150kc. that means...Part-15 1750M stereo!!! HELLLLLLLO 175kc.! 73, Jay ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail From ai9e_qrp@yahoo.com Tue May 29 06:30:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ai9e_qrp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10356 invoked from network); 29 May 2007 13:30:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2007 13:30:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web35415.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.179.124) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2007 13:30:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 67138 invoked by uid 60001); 29 May 2007 13:29:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XyXYiuAVM1lgVTHJQE2GLiVHUqU3fGAkgxxPJC55EQXwbViuGyptlTBK5PsDvxW7T.RiJj2VTPJ_K25aeFV07kEVg.tlYOWUmsCraCNZDyx5NjY9gKEs0mHtg_rIQQ-- Received: from [205.175.225.22] by web35415.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 May 2007 06:29:34 PDT Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 06:29:34 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <896097.64507.qm@web35415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.179.124 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: david cripe Subject: Re: WLS CQuam Stereo Today? or tonight? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=241001136; y=X8mmCrmI46zotjzgoudfzup52INRNclYvjl7X7HsM6mm_zg X-Yahoo-Profile: ai9e_qrp Wow! WLS switched in CQUAM with their night-time TX about 7:00 PM, and here in Cedar Rapids it sounded great! They played all the great rock music from the 60s and 70s, with all the old DJs I remembered - but it was STEREO! 73 - Dave ____________________________________________________________________________________Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue May 29 10:43:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25421 invoked from network); 29 May 2007 17:43:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2007 17:43:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2007 17:43:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 60365 invoked by uid 60001); 29 May 2007 17:43:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: KOgAg5oVM1n0UbhULaTwf5X57n9RwFeJ5uXGICLagO2DMHdeV0.vwU0XZe94ABUL7xKiwva2gp4n_hoDssPHZY1QbNahLY1nCbEnR4m826PBzqMgWgEX_eHjwg-- Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 May 2007 10:43:09 PDT Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 10:43:09 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <835881.59898.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: HD Radio Selections? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=d-vNIn3Tx08kEC_B-scU6_7QvvkGidBJfV8FAssbmUZGPdXWUD3x3ME X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio This from an AP article today: "...A listener needs a special radio receiver to hear HD Radio signals, which also improves sound quality. About 50 models are available already, often sold as part of a car stereo or home audio component, according to the alliance..." I'll eat my hat if there's 50 HD radios on the market today! I'm unable to count more than 8, and "8 ain't 50" in my book. Where's all these HD radio models coming from all of the sudden? ____________________________________________________________________________________Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC From starship_2001@msn.com Tue May 29 14:54:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68388 invoked from network); 29 May 2007 21:50:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2007 21:50:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.209) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2007 21:50:26 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.136.19]) by bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 29 May 2007 14:49:34 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 May 2007 14:49:34 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.6 by BAY131-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 29 May 2007 21:49:33 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 21:49:33 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 May 2007 21:49:34.0884 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F1ACE40:01C7A23B] Return-Path: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio Selections? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=N2-vAMPABmNcJ2DbuPzMGlD1DffptaQrQpDsdO6Svz3CHGiOyHhzT8_U5w X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit and not one of them is portable for taking outside to the beach or picnic. they are all chained t a car dash or tied to a plug. -----Original Message----- From: John P. Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 1:43 PM To: K.T. radio list AMS 2001 Subject: {AMSF} HD Radio Selections? This from an AP article today: "...A listener needs a special radio receiver to hear HD Radio signals, which also improves sound quality. About 50 models are available already, often sold as part of a car stereo or home audio component, according to the alliance..." I'll eat my hat if there's 50 HD radios on the market today! I'm unable to count more than 8, and "8 ain't 50" in my book. Where's all these HD radio models coming from all of the sudden? ____________________________________________________________________________________Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From droland66@yahoo.com Tue May 29 18:19:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68619 invoked from network); 30 May 2007 01:18:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2007 01:18:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2007 01:18:11 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2007 01:17:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2007 01:17:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2007 01:17:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 01:17:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <896097.64507.qm@web35415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.62.179.16 From: "david roland" Subject: Re: WLS CQuam Stereo Today? or tonight? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=GK3B_vlGH6SYTbxXChhT0X2yC9O3xZBsRpH6maaR1pxrttN- X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 Did the frequency response meet the AMAX standard or was it 5 kHz=20 limited bandwidth? david --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, david cripe wrote: > > Wow! WLS switched in CQUAM with their night-time TX > about 7:00 PM, and here in Cedar Rapids it sounded > great! They played all the great rock music from the > 60s and 70s, with all the old DJs I remembered - but > it was STEREO! >=20 > 73 - Dave >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 _______________________________________________________________________ _____________Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and=20 hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/ > From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Wed May 30 23:15:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 44152 invoked from network); 31 May 2007 06:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2007 06:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.241) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2007 06:15:28 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n26.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2007 06:13:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2007 06:13:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2007 06:13:38 -0000 Date: 31 May 2007 06:13:37 -0000 Message-ID: <1180592017.99451.60696.w113@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /Continental Lensa SA - HD Radio.jpg Uploaded by : jotape1960 Description : Continental Lensa SA today advertising You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/Continental%20Lensa%20SA%20-%20HD%20Radio.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, jotape1960 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed May 30 23:21:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70913 invoked from network); 31 May 2007 06:21:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2007 06:21:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.170) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2007 06:21:04 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n8.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2007 06:21:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2007 06:21:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2007 06:21:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 06:21:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.101 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio Selections? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=4xhIlTJlVGIlSY2TU5RAm2CG0eyXT5B2Py18yaKwEAY9CrzpNw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Norbert 26"=20 wrote: > > and not one of them is portable for taking outside to the beach or=20 picnic. they are all chained t a car dash or tied to a plug. >=20 >=20 HI GANG!!! I uploaded a file (a *.jpg file) which is the last advertising of=20 one chilean TX company/manufacters of "HD". The central point of the "speech" is about the HD "new"=20 technology, "the future of the radio is now here", no noise, no=20 fading, no distortion, almost a CD quality... etc. etc. etc. I wonder if... IS THERE SOMEBODY WHO CAN PROVE IT? INTO ANY=20 CONDITIONS? AT WHAT TX POWER? WHAT ABOUT THE PRICE? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu May 31 07:24:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58033 invoked from network); 31 May 2007 14:24:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2007 14:24:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2007 14:24:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 58941 invoked by uid 60001); 31 May 2007 14:24:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: etr.k1AVM1nypvIvNoa.jKu.GluJz7Wi5kn.pyoPdzFDMfXby67g6ohbnhqz2Mzih3ZQWr1Fcg-- Received: from [209.213.19.88] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 May 2007 07:24:37 PDT Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 07:24:37 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <177223.58651.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio Selections? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=MIXBngdwnpKCSZoaDuAo6h2Iuqa0S3taIQbHX2T9IxI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jotape1960 wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Norbert 26" > wrote: > > > > and not one of them is portable for taking outside > to the beach or > picnic. they are all chained t a car dash or tied to > a plug. The RS Accurian can run on an external 12V supply. It had better be a small deep cycle boat battery. > HI GANG!!! > > I uploaded a file (a *.jpg file) which is the last > advertising of > one chilean TX company/manufacters of "HD". > > The central point of the "speech" is about the HD > "new" > technology, "the future of the radio is now here", > no noise, no > fading, no distortion, almost a CD quality... etc. > etc. etc. > > I wonder if... IS THERE SOMEBODY WHO CAN PROVE IT? > INTO ANY CONDITIONS? Not even close to CORRECT CD quality. As for today's crummy ones....ah. well um.. Yes there is distortion, it's called digital artifacts. Fading, NO it just abruptly drops back to analog, or in the case of NO analog, you get (cue up Simon and Garfunkel) THE SOUND OF SILENCE !! AT WHAT TX POWER? It's mated directly to the power of the analog WHAT ABOUT THE PRICE? Ask the company. Only they can tell you that. Powell From radio603@malmo2.net Fri Jun 01 01:40:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio603@malmo2.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65805 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2007 08:40:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2007 08:40:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.bredband2.net) (82.209.166.4) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2007 08:39:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 32300 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2007 07:36:43 -0000 Received: from mkb-145-32-209-82.3.cust.bredband2.com (HELO malmoe) ([82.209.145.32]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.bredband2.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 1 Jun 2007 07:36:43 -0000 Message-ID: <005601c7a427$7d22c920$2091d152@malmoe> To: Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 10:33:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-IP: 82.209.166.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0 From: "Roy" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fw:_Google_vill_kartl=E4gga_din_personlighet_via_dataspel?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=195882801; y=RyMzCpTs3viOS0xVncZ4jG8YiOVh7Jr8yif2qd4w1DezFLc X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BBB: Google vill kartl=E4gga din personlighet via dataspel ----- Original Message -----=20 From: P=E4r Str=F6m=20 To: radio603@malmo2.net=20 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 8:41 AM Subject: BBB: Google vill kartl=E4gga din personlighet via dataspel Ser mejlet konstigt ut? Klicka h=E4r f=F6r att l=E4sa det p=E5 webben. Big Brother Bulletin - nr 6/2007 Integritetsombudsmannen informerar Bild: Flygande v=E4rmekamera avsl=F6jar ditt = energisamvete 1. Google vill kartl=E4gga din personlighet v= ia dataspel 2. =D6vervakningskamera som analyserar m=E4nn= iskors beteende 3. V=E4rmespion i skyn avsl=F6jar energisynda= re 4. Hemlig k=E4lla med insyn avsl=F6jar FRA:s = dimrid=E5er 5. H=E4nt i korthet ---- Bilda opinion, skicka BBB vidare till m= =E5nga! ---- 1. Google vill kartl=E4gga din personlighet v= ia dataspel =C4r du aggressiv eller diplomatisk? Social e= ller blyg? Snart kan Google ha kartlagt din personlighet utan att du har m= =E4rkt det, genom att analysera ditt s=E4tt att spela dataspel. Sedan anv= =E4nds informationen om dig i kommersiellt syfte. Det =E4r inneb=F6rden av ett patent som Googl= e nyligen ans=F6kte om i Europa och USA. Tanken =E4r att l=E5ta programvaro= r automatiskt uppr=E4tta personlighetsprofiler f=F6r miljontals m=E4nniskor= . Eftersom m=E4nniskors personlighet styr vad de k=F6per g=E5r den informat= ionen att anv=E4nda f=F6r att rikta reklam p=E5 ett l=F6nsammare s=E4tt. Dataspelare ska analyseras p=E5 tv=E5 s=E4tt:= =20 - Vad s=E4ger de i onlinedialogen med andra s= pelare?=20 - Hur hanterar de spelet via mus, kommandon o= ch olika val? S=E5 h=E4r st=E5r det i patentans=F6kan: "Anv= =E4ndardialog (till exempel fr=E5n rollspel, simuleringsspel etc) kan anv= =E4ndas f=F6r att beskriva anv=E4ndaren (till exempel som allm=E4nbildad, g= rov, rakt p=E5 sak, artig, tystl=E5ten etc). Vidare kan anv=E4ndarens spel = anv=E4ndas f=F6r att beskriva anv=E4ndare (till exempel f=F6rsiktig, aggres= siv, konfliktundvikande, smygande, hederlig, samarbetsvillig, ej samarbetsv= illig, etc)." Sedan ska annonser visas baserat p=E5 personl= ighetstyp. Den som visar intresse att utforska en spelv=E4rld klassas kansk= e som en "utforskande" personlighet och f=E5r exempelvis reklam om resor. D= en som pratar mycket med andra spelare bed=F6ms f=F6rmodligen som "social" = och f=E5r kanske reklam f=F6r mobiltelefoni. Och s=E5 vidare. Google skrive= r i sin patentans=F6kan att spel som Second Life och World of Warcraft =E4r= s=E4rskilt intressanta som bas f=F6r personlighetskartl=E4ggningen efterso= m de antagligen =E5terspeglar det beteende som spelarna uppvisar i den verk= liga v=E4rlden. Det =E4r dock inte bara PC-spel som ska ligga= till grund f=F6r kartl=E4ggningen av oss. I patentans=F6kan anges att =E4v= en internetuppkopplade spelkonsoller s=E5som Xbox, Sony PlayStation och Nin= tendo Wii ska utf=F6ra personlighetsanalys. Google avser ocks=E5 h=E4mta in= formation om spelarna som finns lagrad p=E5 konsollernas minneskort. "S=E5d= an sparad information kan betraktas som tillst=E5ndsinformation, och utg=F6= r en v=E4rdefull informationsk=E4lla f=F6r annons=F6rer", skriver Google.=20 Det =E4r intressant att notera att Google nyl= igen k=F6pte ett f=F6retag som =E4r verksamt inom just reklam i dataspel, A= dScape. Reklam i dataspel =E4r en boomande bransch, vars oms=E4ttning enlig= t tidningen Guardian f=F6rv=E4ntas =F6ka fr=E5n 250 miljoner pund i =E5r ti= ll 2 miljarder pund =E5r 2010. Google s=E4ger i en kommentar till avsl=F6ja= ndet om den aktuella patentans=F6kan att det inte =E4r s=E4kert att man kom= mer att anv=E4nda sig av teknologin.=20 http://technology.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0= ,,2078061,00.html = =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 -------------------------------------------------- Lyssna p=E5 Agneta Lindblom-Hulth=E9n Nu kan du lyssna p=E5 vad Journalistf=F6rbund= ets ordf=F6rande, Agneta Lindblom-Hulth=E9n, har att s=E4ga om =F6vervaknin= gssamh=E4llet. Och det =E4r inte lite. Hon =E4r oerh=F6rt oroad f=F6r utvec= klingen, inte minst med tanke p=E5 medias roll som avsl=F6jare av missf=F6r= h=E5llanden. Min intervju finns som podcast (mp3) p=E5 Den Nya V=E4lf=E4rde= ns podcastsajt, www.dnv.se/podcast. D=E4r finner du ocks=E5 en hel del anna= t material om "storebror" att lyssna p=E5. -------------------------------------------------- 2. =D6vervakningskamera som analyserar m=E4nn= iskors beteende Revolutionen inom =F6vervakningsteknologin ru= llar vidare. Nu har ett brittiskt f=F6retag lanserat =E4nnu en =F6vervaknin= gskamera som automatiskt analyserar m=E4nniskors beteende. "The bug" (skalb= aggen) kallas den f=F6r sitt utseendes skull. Underverket best=E5r av =E5tta kameror, monte= rade i en ring, som "tittar" =E5t alla h=E5ll. En nionde kamera i mitten = =E4r vrid- och zoombar. En programvara analyserar st=E4ndigt vad m=E4nnisko= r har f=F6r sig, och vid tecken p=E5 s=E5 kallat anti-socialt beteende g=E5= r systemet ig=E5ng: Den r=F6rliga kameran vrider sig automatiskt mot den in= tressanta personen, zoomar in vederb=F6rande och lagring av bilderna p=E5b= =F6rjas. Dessa bilder kan h=E4mtas p=E5 distans fr=E5n =F6vervakningscentra= len via internet. Ett 50-tal beteenden =E4r programmerade som suspekta - ex= akt vilka dessa =E4r framg=E5r inte. Bild: =D6vervakningskameran fr=E5n Viseum, so= m tolkar m=E4nniskors beteende, best=E5r egentligen av nio kameror "The bug" har utvecklats av det brittiska f= =F6retaget Viseum. Deras VD, Stuart Thompson, erk=E4nner att kameran kan t= =E4nkas zooma in oskyldiga personer, men bestrider att det skulle vara inte= gritetskr=E4nkande. "Den som =E4r oskyldig har inget att frukta", s=E4ger h= an till media. I staden Luton har systemet testats i 18 m=E5= nader. P=E5 tur att installera det st=E5r Chester och Exeter. Priset per en= het =E4r 7.000 pund. =D6vervakningskameror =E4r inne i en mycket s= nabb utveckling d=E4r kamerateknologin sm=E4lter samman med IT- och telekom= . Beteendeanalys =E4r bara ett exempel p=E5 ny funktionalitet. N=E5gra andr= a exempel, som det forskas kring eller som redan finns representerade p=E5 = marknaden, =E4r: - Ansiktsigenk=E4nning (ansikten p=E5 f=F6rbi= passerande matchas mot inscannade foton) - G=E5ngigenk=E4nning (m=E4nniskor identifier= as via sin g=E5ngstil) - Sk=E4llande kameror (via h=F6gtalare i kame= rorna kan m=E4nniskor som felar tillr=E4ttavisas av personalen i =F6vervakn= ingscentralen) - Ilskedetektering (kamerorna har mikrofoner = som lyssnar p=E5 m=E4nniskors dialog och automatiskt uppt=E4cker arga samta= l) - Automatisk inl=E4sning av nummerpl=E5tar p= =E5 bilar (ANPR, Automatic Number Plate Recognition) - Flygande =F6vervakningskameror (monterade p= =E5 obemannade flygplan som inte =E4r mycket st=F6rre =E4n modellplan - =E4= ven med inbyggd ANPR) - Sanningsanalys (l=F6gndetektering) genom au= tomatisk analys av m=E4nniskors ansiktsuttryck. - Kameror som l=E4ser p=E5 l=E4pparna Big Brother Bulletin har tidigare i ett flert= al artiklar behandlat dessa teknologier. L=E4nkar: http://www.viseum.co.uk=20 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crim= e/article1655200.ece -------------------------------------------------- Nu finns TV=C5 storebrorsrapporter som talb= =F6cker = =20 Nu har =E4ven "Med storebror i baks=E4tet" ta= lats in som mp3-bok. Sedan tidigare kan du lyssna p=E5 "Med storebror i upp= finnarverkstan". Lyssna p=E5 dem i din MP3-spelare eller direkt i datorn. D= u finnder rapporterna, liksom mer podcastmaterial om =F6vervakning, p=E5 De= n Nya V=E4lf=E4rdens podcastsajt www.dnv.se/podcast. -------------------------------------------------- = =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 3. V=E4rmespion i skyn avsl=F6jar energisynda= re I Storbritannien har man inlett flyg=F6vervak= ning av temperaturen i m=E4nniskors hus. Syftet =E4r att h=E4nga ut de hus= =E4gare som bidrar till den globala uppv=E4rmningen genom att sl=F6sa med e= nergi. Dessutom vill man korta ned bostadsk=F6erna genom att hitta tomma bo= st=E4der. S=E5 h=E4r har det g=E5tt till: L=E4tta flygp= lan med milit=E4r spionteknologi som k=E4nner av v=E4rmestr=E5lning har ski= ckats upp i luften. Dessa har f=E5tt flyga fram och tillbaka f=F6r att ta e= tt antal bilder med infrar=F6d k=E4nslighet, vilket inneb=E4r att det =E4r = v=E4rme och inte ljus som bygger upp bilden. Sedan har varje hus f=E4rgkoda= ts enligt en skala i =E5tta steg, d=E4r r=F6d =E4r varmast och bl=E5 =E4r k= allast.=20 Bild: Den som sl=F6sar med energi blir obarmh= =E4rtigt avsl=F6jad p=E5 internet Denna information har sedan lagts in p=E5 en = stadskarta, och slutresultatet har lagts ut p=E5 internet. D=E4r kan vem so= m helst glida med musen =F6ver den f=E4rgglada bilden, peka p=E5 ett intres= sant hus och genast f=E5 upp en ruta med gatuadress (du kan sj=E4lv prova -= l=E4nk nedan). D=E4rmed blir det oerh=F6rt enkelt f=F6r alla= medborgare att se vilka hus som =E4r varma, vilket ocks=E5 =E4r sj=E4lva s= yftet. De som har varma hus, och d=E4rmed anses sl=F6sa med energi, ska f= =E5 sk=E4mmas f=F6r att de bidrar till "global warming". Denna moderna vari= ant av skamp=E5len p=E5 kyrkbacken har redan introducerats i Aberdeen i Sko= ttland och Haringey Council, en stadsdel i London. Minst tv=E5 andra st=E4d= er/stadsdelar har visat intresse f=F6r att kopiera id=E9n - Norwich och Che= ster-le-Street. =C4ndam=E5lsglidningen =E4r redan p=E5 g=E5ng= . Myndigheterna i Haringey Council har sagt att informationen ocks=E5 =E4r = anv=E4ndbar f=F6r att identifiera hus som st=E5r tomma, i syfte att minska = bostadsbristen. Den ansvarige myndighetspersonen, Isidoros Diakides, sa til= l Times Online att "studien hj=E4lper oss att angripa tre av de st=F6rsta p= roblemen som Haringey idag st=E5r inf=F6r - klimatf=F6r=E4ndring, energibri= st och bostadsbrist".=20 =C4garen till det f=F6retag som genomf=F6rt k= artl=E4ggningen, Hottmapping, heter Robert Wilkes. Han s=E4ger att informat= ionen inte =E4r integritetskr=E4nkande: "Det =E4r inget foto, det =E4r bara= en m=E4tning av v=E4rmef=F6rluster", s=E4ger Wilkes. =C4r hemmatemperatur n=E5got som ing=E5r i de= n privata sf=E4ren och d=E4rmed ska skyddas fr=E5n insyn? Detta =E4r en n= =E5got ov=E4ntad fr=E5gest=E4llning som dataskyddsfolket nu m=E5ste gripa s= ig an. Man kan konstatera att m=F6jligheter till fortsatt =E4ndam=E5lsglidn= ing inte saknas. Om v=E4rmefoton tas ofta kan bilderna exempelvis ge inform= ation om vilka familjer som f=F6r n=E4rvarande =E4r bortresta.=20 L=E4nkar: Artikel: http://property.timesonline.co.uk/to= l/life_and_style/property/article1744293.ece=20 F=F6retaget bakom: http://www.hotmapping.co.u= k/=20 Se v=E4rmebilderna h=E4r: http://www.seeit.co= .uk/haringey/Map.cfm=20 = =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 -------------------------------------------------- Mer om =F6vervakningssamh=E4llet p=E5 sajten www.stoppa-storebror.se=20 -------------------------------------------------- 4. Hemlig k=E4lla med insyn avsl=F6jar FRA:s = dimrid=E5er Nedanst=E5ende ins=E4ndare kom in till Integr= itetsombudsmannen under beg=E4ran om st=F6rsta sekretess avseende skribente= ns identitet. Vederb=F6rande kallar sig "En initierad k=E4lla som arbetat h= os en av FRA:s uppdragsgivare". Varje ord =E4r v=E4gt p=E5 guldv=E5g f=F6r = att inte avsl=F6ja f=F6r mycket om skribentens insyn, eftersom detta skulle= kunna bidra till att ge ledtr=E5dar om hans/hennes identitet. Det =E4r ock= s=E5 mycket initierade synpunkter p=E5 den planerade FRA-=F6vervakningen so= m f=F6rs fram. H=E4r kommer ins=E4ndaren: Den 12 april tog jag del av utfr=E5gningen i = riksdagen om FRA-f=F6rslaget. HG Wessberg och Ingvar =C5kesson gav dessv=E4= rre bristf=E4llig information och f=F6rteg viktiga fakta under hearingen. 1) "FRA kommer inte att lagra all kommunikati= on" Detta =E4r en halvsanning, eftersom FRA ges m= =F6jlighet att lagra enorma m=E4ngder trafikuppgifter: Vem har haft kontakt= med vem och n=E4r. =C4ven fru Karlssons utlandskontakter riskerar att lagr= as. FRA kommer h=E4r sannolikt att anv=E4nda mycket breda s=F6kbegrepp (f= =F6r sin egen metodutveckling). L=E4s i propositionen p=E5 s. 71-72 och i F= RA:s eget remissvar. Inneh=E5llet sparas kanske inte vid denna inh=E4mtning= , men kontaktuppgifterna kommer att kunna lagras mycket l=E4nge. Lagen medg= er ocks=E5 att dessa uppgifter f=E5r utbytas med andra l=E4nder. Dessutom: Oavsett vad som lagras kommer =E5ts= killiga svenskars meddelanden att genoms=F6kas efter nyckelord. =C4ven lagr= =E5det har tydligt markerat att integritetsintr=E5nget best=E5r i att FRA = =F6verhuvudtaget ges tillg=E5ng till kabelfl=F6det. 2) "FRA m=E5ste =E5terta den trafik som p=E5 = senare =E5r flyttat fr=E5n etern ner i kablarna" Halvsanning. S=E4kert har FRA f=F6rlorat traf= ik som inte l=E4ngre g=E5r i etern, men i kablarna f=F6rekommer ocks=E5 mas= svis av kommunikation som FRA aldrig haft tillg=E5ng till. Att det r=F6r si= g om helt nya, gigantiska datam=E4ngder =E4r v=E4lk=E4nt och tydligg=F6rs o= cks=E5 av de nyinvesteringar som m=E5ste g=F6ras. 3) "FRA kan inte spana mot enskilda telefon- = eller internetabonnemang" Fel. FRA har redan f=F6rklarat att s=F6kbegre= pp kan utg=F6ras av t.ex. telefonnummer, IP-nummer eller e-postadresser. 4) "Underr=E4ttelserna f=E5r inte anv=E4ndas = i den direkta brottsbek=E4mpningen" Fel. Underr=E4ttelseinformation anv=E4nds red= an idag vid vissa utvisnings=E4renden. Som Anders Eriksson s=E5 riktigt p= =E5pekade handlar det ju h=E4r om hemlig preventiv avlyssning. FRA samlar i= nformation som i sin tur kan ligga till grund f=F6r uppdragsgivares =E5tg= =E4rder mot enskilda. Dessa =E5tg=E4rder kan vara av olika natur. Givetvis = l=E4mnar FRA ocks=E5 =F6ver uppgifter om enskilda till utl=E4ndska tj=E4nst= er. 5) "S=E4kerheten f=F6r v=E5ra soldater utomla= nds =E4ventyras om propositionen bordl=E4ggs" Mycket tveksamt. Tr=E5dinh=E4mtningen kommer = att ha h=F6gst marginell betydelse f=F6r detta. Vi kan ta Afghanistan som e= xempel. Studera g=E4rna hur kommunikationsn=E4ten ser ut d=E4r borta. Det = =E4r i h=F6g grad satellitburen trafik som g=E4ller. Den kommer man trolige= n =E5t fr=E5n Sverige. Dessutom: Det b=E4sta skyddet f=E5r man i regel geno= m eterspaning p=E5 plats. Det =E4r mycket vanligt att det =E4r just luftbur= en trafik som dominerar i krisomr=E5den. Ett merv=E4rde av kabelspaningen k= an f=F6rst=E5s inte helt uteslutas, men svensk trupps s=E4kerhet st=E5r int= e och faller med kabelaccessen, som HG Wessberg h=E4vdade. Detta vet naturl= igtvis FRA. 6) "F=F6rsvarsunderr=E4ttelseverksamhet syfta= r inte till att kartl=E4gga enskilda". Fel. H=E4r r=E4cker det kanske med att citera= integritetsskyddskommitt=E9n. Man konstaterar n=E4mligen att verksamheten = "ber=F6r enskilda i stor omfattning". Lagen medger ocks=E5 spaning mot ensk= ild om det f=F6religger synnerliga sk=E4l. Anne Rambergs, Thomas Bodstr=F6m= s och Anders Erikssons inl=E4gg var ocks=E5 mycket klarg=F6rande p=E5 den h= =E4r punkten. F=F6rhoppningsvis har vi nu h=F6rt detta felaktiga p=E5st=E5e= nde f=F6r sista g=E5ngen. 7) "Inrikestrafik kommer inte att inh=E4mtas,= eftersom inga positiva s=F6kbegrepp kommer att ge tr=E4ff i detta fl=F6de" Fel. Sj=E4lvklart kommer =E4ven positiva s=F6= kbegrepp ibland ge tr=E4ff i inrikestrafik. Filtrering med nyckelord kommer= aldrig att ha perfekt tr=E4ffs=E4kerhet. Detta framg=E5r ocks=E5 p=E5 s. 1= 02 i propositionen. De uppenbara problem som FRA har med tr=E4ffs=E4kerhete= n idag kommer dessutom att =F6ka, eftersom materialm=E4ngderna m=E5ngdubbla= s med kabelaccessen. 8) "F=F6rhandsgranskning av 250 000 s=F6kbegr= epp l=E5ter sig inte g=F6ras" Irrelevant. Om FRA =E4ven i forts=E4ttningen = ska hantera 250 000 s=F6kbegrepp =E5terst=E5r v=E4l att se. Den slutliga la= gtexten kan ju medf=F6ra att antalet m=E5ste reduceras avsev=E4rt.=20 Diskussionen g=E4ller dessutom f=F6rhandsgran= skning av s=F6kbegrepp inom inriktningar som emanerar fr=E5n brottsbek=E4mp= ande myndigheter eller som i =F6vrigt ber=F6r privatpersoner. Nog m=E5ste v= =E4l detta vara en hanterbar m=E4ngd s=F6kbegrepp? =D6vriga parametrar (maj= oriteten?) torde inte vara av samma integritetsk=E4nsliga natur. D=E4r skul= le kanske efterhandskontroll vara tillr=E4ckligt.=20 Anders Eriksson tog ocks=E5 upp Tyskland som = exempel, d=E4r man just har en v=E4l fungerande f=F6rhandsgranskning. Menar= allts=E5 Ingvar =C5kesson att tysk signalspaning =E4r v=E4sensskild fr=E5n= svensk? Man kan ju undra hur m=E5nga s=F6kbegrepp det r=F6r sig om i Tyskl= and. =D6vriga reflektioner: Det framgick under utfr=E5gningen att tillsyn= en av FRA har varit mycket bristf=E4llig. Det nu aktuella f=F6rslaget syfta= r givetvis till att =E4ntligen lagreglera FRA. Men p=E5 samma g=E5ng utvidg= ar man mandatet. Myndighetens verksamhet =E4r i behov av en grundlig genoml= ysning. Denna b=F6r rimligen utf=F6ras innan man ens diskuterar att s=E4tta= nya signalspaningsverktyg i h=E4nderna p=E5 regeringen. N=E5gon utredning = av FRA fr=E5n integritetssynpunkt har aldrig gjorts, vilket =E4r anm=E4rkni= ngsv=E4rt. Vad vet egentligen riksdagens ledam=F6ter om FRA? Anders Bj=F6rck framh=F6ll F=F6rsvarets Under= r=E4ttelsen=E4mnds (FUN) f=F6rtr=E4fflighet. De spaningsuppdrag som FRA utf= =F6rt =E5t brottsbek=E4mpande myndigheter har dock inte varit f=F6rem=E5l f= =F6r FUN:s kontroll. Detta faktum p=E5pekas ocks=E5 av integritetsskyddskom= mitt=E9n. =C4ven 11-septemberutredningen var kritisk betr=E4ffande tillsyne= n av FRA. Det finns alltf=F6r m=E5nga obesvarade fr=E5g= or: Hur omfattande har FRA:s eterspaning varit? I hur h=F6g grad har den va= rit riktad mot den egna befolkningen? Har man f=E5ngat upp inrikes trafik? = Vilka personuppgifter har man registrerat? Hur har man beaktat proportional= itetsprincipen? Har k=E4llskyddet respekterats? Har verksamheten ut=F6vats = i enlighet med Europakonventionen? Medborgarna beh=F6ver tydliga svar p=E5 dessa= och andra fr=E5gor. Om propositionen bordl=E4ggs finns det ocks=E5 tid att= utreda detta, t.ex. genom tills=E4ttandet av en granskningskommission. Inf= =F6r denna skulle FRA-anst=E4llda kunna tala =F6ppet om sina erfarenheter.= =20 Socialdemokraterna presenterade sin kravlista= veckan efter utfr=E5gningen. Dessa krav =E4r alla h=F6gst relevanta och bo= rde ha funnits med i lagf=F6rslaget fr=E5n f=F6rsta b=F6rjan. L=E5t oss bar= a hoppas att villkoren inte =E4r f=F6rhandlingsbara. Det =E4r s=E4rskilt gl= =E4djande att (s) insett att "yttre hot" =E4r ett f=F6r vidstr=E4ckt begrep= p och att FUN =E4r direkt ol=E4mpligt som kontrollorgan. Samtidigt =E4r det= n=E5got oroande att man talar om snabbutredningar trots att det g=E4ller m= ycket grundl=E4ggande integritetsfr=E5gor. Varf=F6r har v=E5ra folkvalda s= =E5 sv=E5rt att ta till sig av integritetsskyddskommitt=E9ns svidande kriti= k? Det finns n=E5gra (s)-punkter som beh=F6ver p= reciseras. Likas=E5 har man f=F6rbisett vissa omr=E5den. Kravlistan b=F6r k= ompletteras enligt f=F6ljande: - Utred FRA:s verksamhet under de senaste 10 = =E5ren fr=E5n integritetssynpunkt. Om FRA ske ges utvidgat mandat, m=E5ste = vi vara s=E4kra p=E5 att vi kan lita p=E5 myndigheten.=20 - Skapa s=E4rregler f=F6r anv=E4ndning av s= =F6kbegrepp som =E4r h=E4nf=F6rliga till enskilda som uppeh=E5ller sig i Sv= erige. Ett direkt f=F6rbud b=F6r =F6verv=E4gas. - F=F6rbjud FRA att lagra trafikuppgifter som= inte =E4r kopplade till redan godk=E4nda spaningsobjekt. - Detaljreglera FRA:s samarbete med andra l= =E4nder. - Inv=E4nta Integritetsskyddskommitt=E9ns slu= tbet=E4nkande. En initierad k=E4lla som arbetat hos en av FR= A:s uppdragsgivare -------------------------------------------------- Du kan hj=E4lpa till att =F6vervaka =F6vervak= arna! Hj=E4lp till att =F6vervaka v=E5ra =F6vervaka= re! Anslut din sajt till Creeper, som g=F6r det m=F6jligt f=F6r medborgarna= att se vilka sajter man tittar p=E5 vid svenska myndigheter och politiska = partier! Ju fler sajter som ansluter sig, desto b=E4ttre kan vi =F6vervaka = v=E5ra styrande! Det g=E5r p=E5 n=E5gra minuter. Se mer p=E5 www.gnuheter.c= om/creeper/index -------------------------------------------------- = =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 5. H=E4nt i korthet Polis sp=E5rade hj=E4rtpatient geografiskt - = via mobilen=20 Det h=E4r =E4r en solskenshistoria, men med e= n m=F6rk underton som visar hur l=E4tt myndigheterna kan sp=E5ra och kartl= =E4gga m=E4nniskor om de =F6nskar. Vid sjukhuset Childrens Hospital of Pitt= sburgh i USA d=F6k pl=F6tsligt ett hj=E4rta upp som passade en viss patient= som var i behov av hj=E4rttransplantation. Det var mycket br=E5ttom - men = personalen lyckades inte f=E5 kontakt med f=F6r=E4ldrarna till patienten, t= io=E5rige John Paul May. D=E5 kontaktade sjukhuset polisen, som i sin tur k= ontaktade telebolaget Sprint hos vilket mamman var kund. Via s=E5 kallad tr= iangulering (en form av pejling) s=E5g man att pojkens mamma befann sig p= =E5 en jazzfestival p=E5 Slippery Rock University. Polisen begav sig dit, a= vbr=F6t konserten och efterlyste mamman - som lyckligt nog hade sonen med s= ig. Redan samma dag genomf=F6rdes transplantationen. Kommentar: Detta utg= =F6r ett exempel p=E5 den nya teknologin "cell phone mining" - att utvinna = diverse informatin ur de data som omger m=E4nniskors anv=E4ndning av mobilt= elefoner. http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20070510/ca_pr= _on_tc/cell_phone_transplant=20 Beatrice Ask vill att operat=F6rerna patrulle= rar n=E4tet=20 I en intervju i Computer Sweden s=E4ger justi= tieminister Beatrice Ask att internetoperat=F6rerna m=E5ste ta ansvar f=F6r= att "rensa bort olagligt material fr=E5n internet". Om operat=F6rna inte t= ar sitt ansvar hotar lagstiftning, s=E4ger Ask. Operat=F6rerna sl=E5r ifr= =E5n sig och menar att det inte =E4r deras sak att l=E4gga sin i inneh=E5ll= et i kundernas meddelanden. Kommentar: En stor fara med att tvinga eller pr= essa internetoperat=F6rerna att agera n=E5gon slags polis p=E5 n=E4tet =E4r= att det l=E4tt driver fram en kontroll av kundernas trafik i masskala. Hur= kan operat=F6rerna s=E4kerst=E4lla att surfande, epostande och andra digit= ala aktiviteter =E4r lagliga om de inte tar del av informationen som s=E4nd= s? T=E4nk om Posten skulle =F6ppna varje brev f=F6r att kontrollera om det = inneh=E5ller n=E5got olagligt? Vi m=E5ste med fasthet avvisa en utveckling = mot ett samh=E4lle d=E4r medborgarnas digitala aktiviteter st=E4ndigt =F6ve= rvakas. Det skulle vara kr=E4nkande, hota privatlivets helgd och utg=F6ra e= tt brott mot FN:s deklaration om m=E4nskliga r=E4ttigheter, artikel 12. http://www.idg.se/2.1085/1.107108=20 Alliansen =F6verens om buggning Nyligen enade sig den borgerliga regeringen o= m att inf=F6ra hemlig rumsavlyssning (buggning) som ett nytt polisi=E4rt tv= =E5ngsmedel. Lagen ska g=E4lla p=E5 f=F6rs=F6k i tre =E5r. Tidningsredaktio= ner =E4r undantagna, och f=E5r allts=E5 inte buggas. http://www.svd.se/dyna= miskt/inrikes/did_15591058.asp=20 Flashback startar ny anonymiseringstj=E4nst=20 Det samh=E4llskritiska media- och IT-f=F6reta= get Flashback startar idag en ny tj=E4nst f=F6r den som vill anv=E4nda inte= rnet anonymt. Det g=E5r att prova gratis i fem dagar. https://www.flashback.name/=20 Anonymiseringstj=E4nsten Dold kritiseras av p= olisen=20 Anonymiseringstj=E4nsten Dold, som drivs av I= DG och erbjuder anonym anv=E4ndning av internet, har drabbats av ett delika= t problem. Polisen h=E4vdar att en av Dolds kunder har laddat hem barnporno= grafiskt material, och d=E4rf=F6r beg=E4rt ut information fr=E5n Dold om ve= m som ligger bakom den aktuella IP-adressen. Dold kan inte l=E4mna ut den i= nformationen, helt enkelt f=F6r att den inte finns. Att inte logga s=E5dan = information =E4r i sj=E4lva verket hela id=E9n bakom tj=E4nsten. Det leder = nu till att polisen h=E4vdar att Dold inte bara skyddar utan =E4ven hj=E4lp= er till att skapa brottslighet. Kommentar: Brott har i alla tider kunnat be= g=E5s i skydd av anonymitet. Det faktum att brott beg=E5s kan inte motivera= att anonymiteten avskaffas. Anonymitet =E4r ett viktigt socialt skydd och = en medborgerlig r=E4ttighet. Naturligtvis ska information l=E4mnas ut i en = brottsutredning om informationen finns, men det =E4r orimligt att tvinga fr= am ett avskaffande av anonymiteten f=F6r att f=F6renkla brottsbek=E4mpninge= n. Det vore som att stoppa anonyma brev (p=E5 papper) genom att lagstifta o= m att alla som skickar ett brev m=E5ste legitimera sig och loggas i ett avs= =E4ndarregister. Ibland m=E5ste medborgerliga r=E4ttigheter st=E5 =F6ver sa= mh=E4llsintressen - att h=E4vda n=E5got annat =E4r att ge prov p=E5 en aukt= orit=E4r samh=E4llssyn. http://www.idg.se/2.1085/1.103873=20 Creeper hj=E4lper oss att =F6vervaka =F6verva= karna=20 En sympatisk tj=E4nst har lanserats av en gru= pp svenska tekniker som =E4r integritetsanh=E4ngare. Creeper, som den kalla= s, hj=E4lper oss unders=E5tar att se vilka internetsajter som olika myndigh= eter och politiska partier tittar p=E5. Det bygger p=E5 att de sajter som v= ill vara med i projektet l=E4gger ut en liten snutt HTML-kod p=E5 sin sajt.= D=E4refter blir det m=F6jligt f=F6r vem som helst att visa Creepers sajt s= e vilka svenska myndigheter och politiska partier som varit inne p=E5 den a= ktuella sidan. Allt =E4r gratis och ingen registrering kr=E4vs. Sedan n=E5g= ra veckor =E4r stoppa-storebror.se anm=E4ld till projektet, vilket inneb=E4= r att du kan se myndigheters och partiers eventuella bes=F6k p=E5 den sajte= n. Nyligen avsl=F6jades via Creeper att F=F6rsvarets Radioanstalt, FRA, var= it inne och tittat p=E5 sidor f=F6r fildelning (se nedan). Artikel: http://sakerhet.idg.se/2.1070/1.1075= 15=20 Creeper: http://www.gnuheter.com/creeper/inde= x=20 Senaste myndighetstittarna: http://www.gnuhet= er.com/creeper/senaste=20 R=E4dsla f=F6r FRA h=E5ller Google borta fr= =E5n Sverige Googles h=F6gste ansvarige f=F6r personlig in= tegritet, Peter Fleischer, har nyligen bes=F6kt Sverige. Han =E4r starkt kr= itisk till den planerade FRA-=F6vervakningen. "F=F6rslaget =E4r sprunget ur= en tradition inledd av Saudiarabien och Kina och h=F6r helt enkelt inte he= mma i en v=E4sterl=E4ndsk demokrati", s=E4ger han. Vidare s=E4ger han att G= oogle aldrig kan placera n=E5gra servrar innanf=F6r Sveriges gr=E4nser om F= RA-=F6vervakningen genomf=F6rs: "Vi kan helt enkelt inte kompromissa med v= =E5ra anv=E4ndares integritet och l=E5ta svenska myndigheter ta del av data= som kanske inte ens r=F6r svensk aktivitet". Google =F6ppnade nyligen ett = nytt datacenter i Belgien, en investering p=E5 =F6ver 2 miljarder kronor. http://www.idg.se/2.1085/1.109576 R=E4dsla f=F6r FRA f=F6ranleder finsk serverf= lytt=20 Teliasonera och deras kunder i Finland vill i= nte att Sveriges spionmyndighet FRA ska kunna avlyssna inneh=E5llet i mejl = som skickas inrikes i Finland. D=E4rf=F6r ska nu Teliasonera Finland flytta= sina e-postservrar fr=E5n Sverige till Finland.=20 http://www.nyteknik.se/art/50490 FRA avsl=F6jar sig genom skrivfel=20 F=F6rsvarets Radioanstalt avsl=F6jar en del a= v sina planer p=E5 avlyssning och =F6vervakning genom en =E4ndring av formu= leringarna p=E5 sin sajt. Nyligen publicerades en text d=E4r FRA kraftigt m= arkerar att svenska privatpersoner och f=F6retag inte kommer att bli f=F6re= m=E5l f=F6r avlyssning om regeringens nuvarande f=F6rslag g=E5r igenom. Den= na text byttes dock snabbt ut mot en annan version med luddigare formulerin= gar. Exempel p=E5 f=F6r=E4ndringar: "FRA spanar inte p=E5 svenskar" har bli= vit: "FRA spanar inte inrikes". "Varken svenska folket eller svenska f=F6re= tag ska avlyssnas" har blivit: "FRA ska inte avlyssna svensk inrikestrafik"= . "Vi =E4r inte intresserade av svenskar" har blivit: "Vi =E4r inte intress= erade av vanliga svenskar". Det g=E5r fortfarande att hitta den ursprunglig= a versionen av FRA:s sajt: S=F6k i Google p=E5 frasen "FRA varken kan". Kli= cka sedan p=E5 Cachad-l=E4nken.=20 Artikel: http://www.nyteknik.se/art/50582 J=E4mf=F6relse mellan versionerna: http://www= .frendo.se/fra_korr.html=20 FRA kan f=E5 ge spaningsuppdrag till sig sj= =E4lv=20 I sin argumentation f=F6r att f=E5 signalspan= a i de fasta, civila telen=E4ten har F=F6rsvarets Radioanstalt understrukit= att man enbart ska arbeta p=E5 uppdrag av myndigheter. "FRA [...] bedriver= inte underr=E4ttelseverksamhet f=F6r egna syften", skriver de p=E5 sin web= bplats. Det =E4r dock precis vad FRA kan komma att g=F6ra, om ett f=F6rslag= som lades fram i m=E5ndags f=F6rverkligas. D=E5 presenterade regeringens s= =E4rskilde utredare Mats Sj=F6strand sin utredning om hantering av olyckor = och kriser. D=E4r f=F6resl=E5s, bland mycket annat, att ansvaret f=F6r info= rmationss=E4kerhet i Sverige ska flyttas =F6ver till FRA. Det inneb=E4r i p= raktiken att FRA f=E5r ge uppdrag till sig sj=E4lv, n=E5got som utredaren o= cks=E5 bekr=E4ftar i en intervju i Computer Sweden.=20 http://www.idg.se/2.1085/1.106946=20 Dessa =E4r socialdemokratins 10 krav f=F6r at= t st=F6dja FRA-=F6vervakningen=20 Socialdemokraterna har presenterat en lista m= ed tio krav p=E5 f=F6r=E4ndringar i regeringsf=F6rslaget om FRA-avlyssning = och -=F6vervakning f=F6r att st=F6dja det. Bland annat kr=E4ver man att syf= tet =E4ndras fr=E5n spaning mot "yttre hot" till "yttre v=E4pnade hot".=20 http://www.idg.se/2.1085/1.104281 Saxat ur FRAktuellt (generaldirekt=F6ren skri= ver) Tisdagen den 20 [mars] deltog vi i en hearing= hos den socialdemokratiska riksdagsgruppen som Ulrica Messing och Thomas B= odstr=F6m hade ordnat. Vi fr=E5n FRA fick d=E5 en bra m=F6jlighet att l=E4g= ga ut texten och jag tror att det gjorde nytta. Det som jag tyckte var mest= positivt var den str=E4van efter en bra l=F6sning f=F6r FRA och f=F6r Sver= ige som b=E5de Messing och Bodstr=F6m gav uttryck f=F6r. FRA m=E5ste f=E5 k= abelaccess f=F6rklarade b=E5da med stor emfas. Messing var utomordentligt t= ydlig: FRA har varit och skall =E4ven i framtiden vara en garant f=F6r en o= beroende svensk s=E4kerhetspolitik. Det k=E4ndes v=E4ldigt sk=F6nt att h=F6= ra! 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Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy" To: Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 3:33 AM Subject: {AMSF} Fw: Google vill kartlägga din personlighet via dataspel BBB: Google vill kartlägga din personlighet via dataspel ----- Original Message ----- From: Pär Ström To: radio603@malmo2.net Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 8:41 AM Subject: BBB: Google vill kartlägga din personlighet via dataspel Ser mejlet konstigt ut? Klicka här för att läsa det på webben. Big Brother Bulletin - nr 6/2007 Integritetsombudsmannen informerar Bild: Flygande värmekamera avslöjar ditt energisamvete 1. Google vill kartlägga din personlighet via dataspel 2. Övervakningskamera som analyserar människors beteende 3. Värmespion i skyn avslöjar energisyndare 4. Hemlig källa med insyn avslöjar FRA:s dimridåer 5. Hänt i korthet ---- Bilda opinion, skicka BBB vidare till många! ---- 1. Google vill kartlägga din personlighet via dataspel Är du aggressiv eller diplomatisk? Social eller blyg? Snart kan Google ha kartlagt din personlighet utan att du har märkt det, genom att analysera ditt sätt att spela dataspel. Sedan används informationen om dig i kommersiellt syfte. Det är innebörden av ett patent som Google nyligen ansökte om i Europa och USA. Tanken är att låta programvaror automatiskt upprätta personlighetsprofiler för miljontals människor. Eftersom människors personlighet styr vad de köper går den informationen att använda för att rikta reklam på ett lönsammare sätt. Dataspelare ska analyseras på två sätt: - Vad säger de i onlinedialogen med andra spelare? - Hur hanterar de spelet via mus, kommandon och olika val? Så här står det i patentansökan: "Användardialog (till exempel från rollspel, simuleringsspel etc) kan användas för att beskriva användaren (till exempel som allmänbildad, grov, rakt på sak, artig, tystlåten etc). Vidare kan användarens spel användas för att beskriva användare (till exempel försiktig, aggressiv, konfliktundvikande, smygande, hederlig, samarbetsvillig, ej samarbetsvillig, etc)." Sedan ska annonser visas baserat på personlighetstyp. Den som visar intresse att utforska en spelvärld klassas kanske som en "utforskande" personlighet och får exempelvis reklam om resor. Den som pratar mycket med andra spelare bedöms förmodligen som "social" och får kanske reklam för mobiltelefoni. Och så vidare. Google skriver i sin patentansökan att spel som Second Life och World of Warcraft är särskilt intressanta som bas för personlighetskartläggningen eftersom de antagligen återspeglar det beteende som spelarna uppvisar i den verkliga världen. Det är dock inte bara PC-spel som ska ligga till grund för kartläggningen av oss. I patentansökan anges att även internetuppkopplade spelkonsoller såsom Xbox, Sony PlayStation och Nintendo Wii ska utföra personlighetsanalys. Google avser också hämta information om spelarna som finns lagrad på konsollernas minneskort. "Sådan sparad information kan betraktas som tillståndsinformation, och utgör en värdefull informationskälla för annonsörer", skriver Google. Det är intressant att notera att Google nyligen köpte ett företag som är verksamt inom just reklam i dataspel, AdScape. Reklam i dataspel är en boomande bransch, vars omsättning enligt tidningen Guardian förväntas öka från 250 miljoner pund i år till 2 miljarder pund år 2010. Google säger i en kommentar till avslöjandet om den aktuella patentansökan att det inte är säkert att man kommer att använda sig av teknologin. http://technology.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2078061,00.html -------------------------------------------------- Lyssna på Agneta Lindblom-Hulthén Nu kan du lyssna på vad Journalistförbundets ordförande, Agneta Lindblom-Hulthén, har att säga om övervakningssamhället. Och det är inte lite. Hon är oerhört oroad för utvecklingen, inte minst med tanke på medias roll som avslöjare av missförhållanden. Min intervju finns som podcast (mp3) på Den Nya Välfärdens podcastsajt, www.dnv.se/podcast. Där finner du också en hel del annat material om "storebror" att lyssna på. -------------------------------------------------- 2. Övervakningskamera som analyserar människors beteende Revolutionen inom övervakningsteknologin rullar vidare. Nu har ett brittiskt företag lanserat ännu en övervakningskamera som automatiskt analyserar människors beteende. "The bug" (skalbaggen) kallas den för sitt utseendes skull. Underverket består av åtta kameror, monterade i en ring, som "tittar" åt alla håll. En nionde kamera i mitten är vrid- och zoombar. En programvara analyserar ständigt vad människor har för sig, och vid tecken på så kallat anti-socialt beteende går systemet igång: Den rörliga kameran vrider sig automatiskt mot den intressanta personen, zoomar in vederbörande och lagring av bilderna påbörjas. Dessa bilder kan hämtas på distans från övervakningscentralen via internet. Ett 50-tal beteenden är programmerade som suspekta - exakt vilka dessa är framgår inte. Bild: Övervakningskameran från Viseum, som tolkar människors beteende, består egentligen av nio kameror "The bug" har utvecklats av det brittiska företaget Viseum. Deras VD, Stuart Thompson, erkänner att kameran kan tänkas zooma in oskyldiga personer, men bestrider att det skulle vara integritetskränkande. "Den som är oskyldig har inget att frukta", säger han till media. I staden Luton har systemet testats i 18 månader. På tur att installera det står Chester och Exeter. Priset per enhet är 7.000 pund. Övervakningskameror är inne i en mycket snabb utveckling där kamerateknologin smälter samman med IT- och telekom. Beteendeanalys är bara ett exempel på ny funktionalitet. Några andra exempel, som det forskas kring eller som redan finns representerade på marknaden, är: - Ansiktsigenkänning (ansikten på förbipasserande matchas mot inscannade foton) - Gångigenkänning (människor identifieras via sin gångstil) - Skällande kameror (via högtalare i kamerorna kan människor som felar tillrättavisas av personalen i övervakningscentralen) - Ilskedetektering (kamerorna har mikrofoner som lyssnar på människors dialog och automatiskt upptäcker arga samtal) - Automatisk inläsning av nummerplåtar på bilar (ANPR, Automatic Number Plate Recognition) - Flygande övervakningskameror (monterade på obemannade flygplan som inte är mycket större än modellplan - även med inbyggd ANPR) - Sanningsanalys (lögndetektering) genom automatisk analys av människors ansiktsuttryck. - Kameror som läser på läpparna Big Brother Bulletin har tidigare i ett flertal artiklar behandlat dessa teknologier. Länkar: http://www.viseum.co.uk http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article1655200.ece -------------------------------------------------- Nu finns TVÅ storebrorsrapporter som talböcker Nu har även "Med storebror i baksätet" talats in som mp3-bok. Sedan tidigare kan du lyssna på "Med storebror i uppfinnarverkstan". Lyssna på dem i din MP3-spelare eller direkt i datorn. Du finnder rapporterna, liksom mer podcastmaterial om övervakning, på Den Nya Välfärdens podcastsajt www.dnv.se/podcast. -------------------------------------------------- 3. Värmespion i skyn avslöjar energisyndare I Storbritannien har man inlett flygövervakning av temperaturen i människors hus. Syftet är att hänga ut de husägare som bidrar till den globala uppvärmningen genom att slösa med energi. Dessutom vill man korta ned bostadsköerna genom att hitta tomma bostäder. Så här har det gått till: Lätta flygplan med militär spionteknologi som känner av värmestrålning har skickats upp i luften. Dessa har fått flyga fram och tillbaka för att ta ett antal bilder med infraröd känslighet, vilket innebär att det är värme och inte ljus som bygger upp bilden. Sedan har varje hus färgkodats enligt en skala i åtta steg, där röd är varmast och blå är kallast. Bild: Den som slösar med energi blir obarmhärtigt avslöjad på internet Denna information har sedan lagts in på en stadskarta, och slutresultatet har lagts ut på internet. Där kan vem som helst glida med musen över den färgglada bilden, peka på ett intressant hus och genast få upp en ruta med gatuadress (du kan själv prova - länk nedan). Därmed blir det oerhört enkelt för alla medborgare att se vilka hus som är varma, vilket också är själva syftet. De som har varma hus, och därmed anses slösa med energi, ska få skämmas för att de bidrar till "global warming". Denna moderna variant av skampålen på kyrkbacken har redan introducerats i Aberdeen i Skottland och Haringey Council, en stadsdel i London. Minst två andra städer/stadsdelar har visat intresse för att kopiera idén - Norwich och Chester-le-Street. Ändamålsglidningen är redan på gång. Myndigheterna i Haringey Council har sagt att informationen också är användbar för att identifiera hus som står tomma, i syfte att minska bostadsbristen. Den ansvarige myndighetspersonen, Isidoros Diakides, sa till Times Online att "studien hjälper oss att angripa tre av de största problemen som Haringey idag står inför - klimatförändring, energibrist och bostadsbrist". Ägaren till det företag som genomfört kartläggningen, Hottmapping, heter Robert Wilkes. Han säger att informationen inte är integritetskränkande: "Det är inget foto, det är bara en mätning av värmeförluster", säger Wilkes. Är hemmatemperatur något som ingår i den privata sfären och därmed ska skyddas från insyn? Detta är en något oväntad frågeställning som dataskyddsfolket nu måste gripa sig an. Man kan konstatera att möjligheter till fortsatt ändamålsglidning inte saknas. Om värmefoton tas ofta kan bilderna exempelvis ge information om vilka familjer som för närvarande är bortresta. Länkar: Artikel: http://property.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/property/article1744293.ece Företaget bakom: http://www.hotmapping.co.uk/ Se värmebilderna här: http://www.seeit.co.uk/haringey/Map.cfm -------------------------------------------------- Mer om övervakningssamhället på sajten www.stoppa-storebror.se -------------------------------------------------- 4. Hemlig källa med insyn avslöjar FRA:s dimridåer Nedanstående insändare kom in till Integritetsombudsmannen under begäran om största sekretess avseende skribentens identitet. Vederbörande kallar sig "En initierad källa som arbetat hos en av FRA:s uppdragsgivare". Varje ord är vägt på guldvåg för att inte avslöja för mycket om skribentens insyn, eftersom detta skulle kunna bidra till att ge ledtrådar om hans/hennes identitet. Det är också mycket initierade synpunkter på den planerade FRA-övervakningen som förs fram. Här kommer insändaren: Den 12 april tog jag del av utfrågningen i riksdagen om FRA-förslaget. HG Wessberg och Ingvar Åkesson gav dessvärre bristfällig information och förteg viktiga fakta under hearingen. 1) "FRA kommer inte att lagra all kommunikation" Detta är en halvsanning, eftersom FRA ges möjlighet att lagra enorma mängder trafikuppgifter: Vem har haft kontakt med vem och när. Även fru Karlssons utlandskontakter riskerar att lagras. FRA kommer här sannolikt att använda mycket breda sökbegrepp (för sin egen metodutveckling). Läs i propositionen på s. 71-72 och i FRA:s eget remissvar. Innehållet sparas kanske inte vid denna inhämtning, men kontaktuppgifterna kommer att kunna lagras mycket länge. Lagen medger också att dessa uppgifter får utbytas med andra länder. Dessutom: Oavsett vad som lagras kommer åtskilliga svenskars meddelanden att genomsökas efter nyckelord. Även lagrådet har tydligt markerat att integritetsintrånget består i att FRA överhuvudtaget ges tillgång till kabelflödet. 2) "FRA måste återta den trafik som på senare år flyttat från etern ner i kablarna" Halvsanning. Säkert har FRA förlorat trafik som inte längre går i etern, men i kablarna förekommer också massvis av kommunikation som FRA aldrig haft tillgång till. Att det rör sig om helt nya, gigantiska datamängder är välkänt och tydliggörs också av de nyinvesteringar som måste göras. 3) "FRA kan inte spana mot enskilda telefon- eller internetabonnemang" Fel. FRA har redan förklarat att sökbegrepp kan utgöras av t.ex. telefonnummer, IP-nummer eller e-postadresser. 4) "Underrättelserna får inte användas i den direkta brottsbekämpningen" Fel. Underrättelseinformation används redan idag vid vissa utvisningsärenden. Som Anders Eriksson så riktigt påpekade handlar det ju här om hemlig preventiv avlyssning. FRA samlar information som i sin tur kan ligga till grund för uppdragsgivares åtgärder mot enskilda. Dessa åtgärder kan vara av olika natur. Givetvis lämnar FRA också över uppgifter om enskilda till utländska tjänster. 5) "Säkerheten för våra soldater utomlands äventyras om propositionen bordläggs" Mycket tveksamt. Trådinhämtningen kommer att ha högst marginell betydelse för detta. Vi kan ta Afghanistan som exempel. Studera gärna hur kommunikationsnäten ser ut där borta. Det är i hög grad satellitburen trafik som gäller. Den kommer man troligen åt från Sverige. Dessutom: Det bästa skyddet får man i regel genom eterspaning på plats. Det är mycket vanligt att det är just luftburen trafik som dominerar i krisområden. Ett mervärde av kabelspaningen kan förstås inte helt uteslutas, men svensk trupps säkerhet står inte och faller med kabelaccessen, som HG Wessberg hävdade. Detta vet naturligtvis FRA. 6) "Försvarsunderrättelseverksamhet syftar inte till att kartlägga enskilda". Fel. Här räcker det kanske med att citera integritetsskyddskommittén. Man konstaterar nämligen att verksamheten "berör enskilda i stor omfattning". Lagen medger också spaning mot enskild om det föreligger synnerliga skäl. Anne Rambergs, Thomas Bodströms och Anders Erikssons inlägg var också mycket klargörande på den här punkten. Förhoppningsvis har vi nu hört detta felaktiga påstående för sista gången. 7) "Inrikestrafik kommer inte att inhämtas, eftersom inga positiva sökbegrepp kommer att ge träff i detta flöde" Fel. Självklart kommer även positiva sökbegrepp ibland ge träff i inrikestrafik. Filtrering med nyckelord kommer aldrig att ha perfekt träffsäkerhet. Detta framgår också på s. 102 i propositionen. De uppenbara problem som FRA har med träffsäkerheten idag kommer dessutom att öka, eftersom materialmängderna mångdubblas med kabelaccessen. 8) "Förhandsgranskning av 250 000 sökbegrepp låter sig inte göras" Irrelevant. Om FRA även i fortsättningen ska hantera 250 000 sökbegrepp återstår väl att se. Den slutliga lagtexten kan ju medföra att antalet måste reduceras avsevärt. Diskussionen gäller dessutom förhandsgranskning av sökbegrepp inom inriktningar som emanerar från brottsbekämpande myndigheter eller som i övrigt berör privatpersoner. Nog måste väl detta vara en hanterbar mängd sökbegrepp? Övriga parametrar (majoriteten?) torde inte vara av samma integritetskänsliga natur. Där skulle kanske efterhandskontroll vara tillräckligt. Anders Eriksson tog också upp Tyskland som exempel, där man just har en väl fungerande förhandsgranskning. Menar alltså Ingvar Åkesson att tysk signalspaning är väsensskild från svensk? Man kan ju undra hur många sökbegrepp det rör sig om i Tyskland. Övriga reflektioner: Det framgick under utfrågningen att tillsynen av FRA har varit mycket bristfällig. Det nu aktuella förslaget syftar givetvis till att äntligen lagreglera FRA. Men på samma gång utvidgar man mandatet. Myndighetens verksamhet är i behov av en grundlig genomlysning. Denna bör rimligen utföras innan man ens diskuterar att sätta nya signalspaningsverktyg i händerna på regeringen. Någon utredning av FRA från integritetssynpunkt har aldrig gjorts, vilket är anmärkningsvärt. Vad vet egentligen riksdagens ledamöter om FRA? Anders Björck framhöll Försvarets Underrättelsenämnds (FUN) förträfflighet. De spaningsuppdrag som FRA utfört åt brottsbekämpande myndigheter har dock inte varit föremål för FUN:s kontroll. Detta faktum påpekas också av integritetsskyddskommittén. Även 11-septemberutredningen var kritisk beträffande tillsynen av FRA. Det finns alltför många obesvarade frågor: Hur omfattande har FRA:s eterspaning varit? I hur hög grad har den varit riktad mot den egna befolkningen? Har man fångat upp inrikes trafik? Vilka personuppgifter har man registrerat? Hur har man beaktat proportionalitetsprincipen? Har källskyddet respekterats? Har verksamheten utövats i enlighet med Europakonventionen? Medborgarna behöver tydliga svar på dessa och andra frågor. Om propositionen bordläggs finns det också tid att utreda detta, t.ex. genom tillsättandet av en granskningskommission. Inför denna skulle FRA-anställda kunna tala öppet om sina erfarenheter. Socialdemokraterna presenterade sin kravlista veckan efter utfrågningen. Dessa krav är alla högst relevanta och borde ha funnits med i lagförslaget från första början. Låt oss bara hoppas att villkoren inte är förhandlingsbara. Det är särskilt glädjande att (s) insett att "yttre hot" är ett för vidsträckt begrepp och att FUN är direkt olämpligt som kontrollorgan. Samtidigt är det något oroande att man talar om snabbutredningar trots att det gäller mycket grundläggande integritetsfrågor. Varför har våra folkvalda så svårt att ta till sig av integritetsskyddskommitténs svidande kritik? Det finns några (s)-punkter som behöver preciseras. Likaså har man förbisett vissa områden. Kravlistan bör kompletteras enligt följande: - Utred FRA:s verksamhet under de senaste 10 åren från integritetssynpunkt. Om FRA ske ges utvidgat mandat, måste vi vara säkra på att vi kan lita på myndigheten. - Skapa särregler för användning av sökbegrepp som är hänförliga till enskilda som uppehåller sig i Sverige. Ett direkt förbud bör övervägas. - Förbjud FRA att lagra trafikuppgifter som inte är kopplade till redan godkända spaningsobjekt. - Detaljreglera FRA:s samarbete med andra länder. - Invänta Integritetsskyddskommitténs slutbetänkande. En initierad källa som arbetat hos en av FRA:s uppdragsgivare -------------------------------------------------- Du kan hjälpa till att övervaka övervakarna! Hjälp till att övervaka våra övervakare! Anslut din sajt till Creeper, som gör det möjligt för medborgarna att se vilka sajter man tittar på vid svenska myndigheter och politiska partier! Ju fler sajter som ansluter sig, desto bättre kan vi övervaka våra styrande! Det går på några minuter. Se mer på www.gnuheter.com/creeper/index -------------------------------------------------- 5. Hänt i korthet Polis spårade hjärtpatient geografiskt - via mobilen Det här är en solskenshistoria, men med en mörk underton som visar hur lätt myndigheterna kan spåra och kartlägga människor om de önskar. Vid sjukhuset Childrens Hospital of Pittsburgh i USA dök plötsligt ett hjärta upp som passade en viss patient som var i behov av hjärttransplantation. Det var mycket bråttom - men personalen lyckades inte få kontakt med föräldrarna till patienten, tioårige John Paul May. Då kontaktade sjukhuset polisen, som i sin tur kontaktade telebolaget Sprint hos vilket mamman var kund. Via så kallad triangulering (en form av pejling) såg man att pojkens mamma befann sig på en jazzfestival på Slippery Rock University. Polisen begav sig dit, avbröt konserten och efterlyste mamman - som lyckligt nog hade sonen med sig. Redan samma dag genomfördes transplantationen. Kommentar: Detta utgör ett exempel på den nya teknologin "cell phone mining" - att utvinna diverse informatin ur de data som omger människors användning av mobiltelefoner. http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20070510/ca_pr_on_tc/cell_phone_transplant Beatrice Ask vill att operatörerna patrullerar nätet I en intervju i Computer Sweden säger justitieminister Beatrice Ask att internetoperatörerna måste ta ansvar för att "rensa bort olagligt material från internet". Om operatörna inte tar sitt ansvar hotar lagstiftning, säger Ask. Operatörerna slår ifrån sig och menar att det inte är deras sak att lägga sin i innehållet i kundernas meddelanden. Kommentar: En stor fara med att tvinga eller pressa internetoperatörerna att agera någon slags polis på nätet är att det lätt driver fram en kontroll av kundernas trafik i masskala. Hur kan operatörerna säkerställa att surfande, epostande och andra digitala aktiviteter är lagliga om de inte tar del av informationen som sänds? Tänk om Posten skulle öppna varje brev för att kontrollera om det innehåller något olagligt? Vi måste med fasthet avvisa en utveckling mot ett samhälle där medborgarnas digitala aktiviteter ständigt övervakas. Det skulle vara kränkande, hota privatlivets helgd och utgöra ett brott mot FN:s deklaration om mänskliga rättigheter, artikel 12. http://www.idg.se/2.1085/1.107108 Alliansen överens om buggning Nyligen enade sig den borgerliga regeringen om att införa hemlig rumsavlyssning (buggning) som ett nytt polisiärt tvångsmedel. Lagen ska gälla på försök i tre år. Tidningsredaktioner är undantagna, och får alltså inte buggas. http://www.svd.se/dynamiskt/inrikes/did_15591058.asp Flashback startar ny anonymiseringstjänst Det samhällskritiska media- och IT-företaget Flashback startar idag en ny tjänst för den som vill använda internet anonymt. Det går att prova gratis i fem dagar. https://www.flashback.name/ Anonymiseringstjänsten Dold kritiseras av polisen Anonymiseringstjänsten Dold, som drivs av IDG och erbjuder anonym användning av internet, har drabbats av ett delikat problem. Polisen hävdar att en av Dolds kunder har laddat hem barnpornografiskt material, och därför begärt ut information från Dold om vem som ligger bakom den aktuella IP-adressen. Dold kan inte lämna ut den informationen, helt enkelt för att den inte finns. Att inte logga sådan information är i själva verket hela idén bakom tjänsten. Det leder nu till att polisen hävdar att Dold inte bara skyddar utan även hjälper till att skapa brottslighet. Kommentar: Brott har i alla tider kunnat begås i skydd av anonymitet. Det faktum att brott begås kan inte motivera att anonymiteten avskaffas. Anonymitet är ett viktigt socialt skydd och en medborgerlig rättighet. Naturligtvis ska information lämnas ut i en brottsutredning om informationen finns, men det är orimligt att tvinga fram ett avskaffande av anonymiteten för att förenkla brottsbekämpningen. Det vore som att stoppa anonyma brev (på papper) genom att lagstifta om att alla som skickar ett brev måste legitimera sig och loggas i ett avsändarregister. Ibland måste medborgerliga rättigheter stå över samhällsintressen - att hävda något annat är att ge prov på en auktoritär samhällssyn. http://www.idg.se/2.1085/1.103873 Creeper hjälper oss att övervaka övervakarna En sympatisk tjänst har lanserats av en grupp svenska tekniker som är integritetsanhängare. Creeper, som den kallas, hjälper oss undersåtar att se vilka internetsajter som olika myndigheter och politiska partier tittar på. Det bygger på att de sajter som vill vara med i projektet lägger ut en liten snutt HTML-kod på sin sajt. Därefter blir det möjligt för vem som helst att visa Creepers sajt se vilka svenska myndigheter och politiska partier som varit inne på den aktuella sidan. Allt är gratis och ingen registrering krävs. Sedan några veckor är stoppa-storebror.se anmäld till projektet, vilket innebär att du kan se myndigheters och partiers eventuella besök på den sajten. Nyligen avslöjades via Creeper att Försvarets Radioanstalt, FRA, varit inne och tittat på sidor för fildelning (se nedan). Artikel: http://sakerhet.idg.se/2.1070/1.107515 Creeper: http://www.gnuheter.com/creeper/index Senaste myndighetstittarna: http://www.gnuheter.com/creeper/senaste Rädsla för FRA håller Google borta från Sverige Googles högste ansvarige för personlig integritet, Peter Fleischer, har nyligen besökt Sverige. Han är starkt kritisk till den planerade FRA-övervakningen. "Förslaget är sprunget ur en tradition inledd av Saudiarabien och Kina och hör helt enkelt inte hemma i en västerländsk demokrati", säger han. Vidare säger han att Google aldrig kan placera några servrar innanför Sveriges gränser om FRA-övervakningen genomförs: "Vi kan helt enkelt inte kompromissa med våra användares integritet och låta svenska myndigheter ta del av data som kanske inte ens rör svensk aktivitet". Google öppnade nyligen ett nytt datacenter i Belgien, en investering på över 2 miljarder kronor. http://www.idg.se/2.1085/1.109576 Rädsla för FRA föranleder finsk serverflytt Teliasonera och deras kunder i Finland vill inte att Sveriges spionmyndighet FRA ska kunna avlyssna innehållet i mejl som skickas inrikes i Finland. Därför ska nu Teliasonera Finland flytta sina e-postservrar från Sverige till Finland. http://www.nyteknik.se/art/50490 FRA avslöjar sig genom skrivfel Försvarets Radioanstalt avslöjar en del av sina planer på avlyssning och övervakning genom en ändring av formuleringarna på sin sajt. Nyligen publicerades en text där FRA kraftigt markerar att svenska privatpersoner och företag inte kommer att bli föremål för avlyssning om regeringens nuvarande förslag går igenom. Denna text byttes dock snabbt ut mot en annan version med luddigare formuleringar. Exempel på förändringar: "FRA spanar inte på svenskar" har blivit: "FRA spanar inte inrikes". "Varken svenska folket eller svenska företag ska avlyssnas" har blivit: "FRA ska inte avlyssna svensk inrikestrafik". "Vi är inte intresserade av svenskar" har blivit: "Vi är inte intresserade av vanliga svenskar". Det går fortfarande att hitta den ursprungliga versionen av FRA:s sajt: Sök i Google på frasen "FRA varken kan". Klicka sedan på Cachad-länken. Artikel: http://www.nyteknik.se/art/50582 Jämförelse mellan versionerna: http://www.frendo.se/fra_korr.html FRA kan få ge spaningsuppdrag till sig själv I sin argumentation för att få signalspana i de fasta, civila telenäten har Försvarets Radioanstalt understrukit att man enbart ska arbeta på uppdrag av myndigheter. "FRA [...] bedriver inte underrättelseverksamhet för egna syften", skriver de på sin webbplats. Det är dock precis vad FRA kan komma att göra, om ett förslag som lades fram i måndags förverkligas. Då presenterade regeringens särskilde utredare Mats Sjöstrand sin utredning om hantering av olyckor och kriser. Där föreslås, bland mycket annat, att ansvaret för informationssäkerhet i Sverige ska flyttas över till FRA. Det innebär i praktiken att FRA får ge uppdrag till sig själv, något som utredaren också bekräftar i en intervju i Computer Sweden. http://www.idg.se/2.1085/1.106946 Dessa är socialdemokratins 10 krav för att stödja FRA-övervakningen Socialdemokraterna har presenterat en lista med tio krav på förändringar i regeringsförslaget om FRA-avlyssning och -övervakning för att stödja det. Bland annat kräver man att syftet ändras från spaning mot "yttre hot" till "yttre väpnade hot". http://www.idg.se/2.1085/1.104281 Saxat ur FRAktuellt (generaldirektören skriver) Tisdagen den 20 [mars] deltog vi i en hearing hos den socialdemokratiska riksdagsgruppen som Ulrica Messing och Thomas Bodström hade ordnat. Vi från FRA fick då en bra möjlighet att lägga ut texten och jag tror att det gjorde nytta. Det som jag tyckte var mest positivt var den strävan efter en bra lösning för FRA och för Sverige som både Messing och Bodström gav uttryck för. FRA måste få kabelaccess förklarade båda med stor emfas. Messing var utomordentligt tydlig: FRA har varit och skall även i framtiden vara en garant för en oberoende svensk säkerhetspolitik. Det kändes väldigt skönt att höra! Läs hela brevet på http://forum.piratpartiet.se/Topic73565-15-1.aspx Detta är ett spionagefritt nyhetsbrev - sedvanlig registrering av läsarens öppnande och klickande är avstängd -------------------------------------------------- BIG BROTHER BULLETIN Nr 6/2007, utgiven 1 juni 2007. Sveriges enda publikation om övervakningssamhället. Utgivare: Pär Ström. Temasajt: www.stoppa-storebror.se. Se även www.dnv.se/podcast för ljudmaterial. - Abonnera på BBB på www.stoppa-storebror.se/bbb . - Avsluta abonnemang på BBB på www.stoppa-storebror.se/bbb . - Tipsa gärna om intressanta företeelser att skriva om! - Återpublicera en artikel ur BBB? Hör av dig. - BBB-texter som krönika i er tidning? 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Even FB= I/CIA is involed to cotroll you what ever you are doing. Orwell 1984 hehe, roy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Scott Todd=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 3:49 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: Google vill kartl=E4gga din personlighet via data= spel Hey Roy- you might want to translate that into English for those of us on the other side of the pond, ya shur. Scott ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Roy" To: Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 3:33 AM Subject: {AMSF} Fw: Google vill kartl=E4gga din personlighet via dataspel BBB: Google vill kartl=E4gga din personlighet via dataspel ----- Original Message -----=20 From: P=E4r Str=F6m To: radio603@malmo2.net Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 8:41 AM Subject: BBB: Google vill kartl=E4gga din personlighet via dataspel Ser mejlet konstigt ut? Klicka h=E4r f=F6r att l=E4sa det p=E5 webben. Big Brother Bulletin - nr 6/2007 Integritetsombudsmannen informerar Bild: Flygande v=E4rmekamera avsl=F6jar ditt energisamvete 1. Google vill kartl=E4gga din personlighet via dataspel 2. =D6vervakningskamera som analyserar m=E4nniskors beteende 3. V=E4rmespion i skyn avsl=F6jar energisyndare 4. Hemlig k=E4lla med insyn avsl=F6jar FRA:s dimrid=E5er 5. H=E4nt i korthet ---- Bilda opinion, skicka BBB vidare till m=E5nga! ---- 1. Google vill kartl=E4gga din personlighet via dataspel =C4r du aggressiv eller diplomatisk? Social eller blyg? Snart kan Google ha kartlagt din personlighet utan att du har m=E4rkt det, genom att analysera ditt s=E4tt att spela dataspel. Sedan an= v=E4nds informationen om dig i kommersiellt syfte. Det =E4r inneb=F6rden av ett patent som Google nyligen ans=F6kte om i Europa och USA. Tanken =E4r att l=E5ta programvaro= r automatiskt uppr=E4tta personlighetsprofiler f=F6r miljontals m=E4nniskor= . Eftersom m=E4nniskors personlighet styr vad de k=F6per g=E5r den informat= ionen att anv=E4nda f=F6r att rikta reklam p=E5 ett l=F6nsammare s=E4tt. Dataspelare ska analyseras p=E5 tv=E5 s=E4tt: - Vad s=E4ger de i onlinedialogen med andra spelare? - Hur hanterar de spelet via mus, kommandon och olika val? S=E5 h=E4r st=E5r det i patentans=F6kan: "Anv=E4ndardialog (till exempel fr=E5n rollspel, simuleringsspel etc) kan anv=E4ndas f=F6r att beskriva anv=E4ndaren (till exempel som allm=E4nbild= ad, grov, rakt p=E5 sak, artig, tystl=E5ten etc). Vidare kan anv=E4ndarens spel anv= =E4ndas f=F6r att beskriva anv=E4ndare (till exempel f=F6rsiktig, aggressiv, konfliktundvikande, smygande, hederlig, samarbetsvillig, ej samarbetsvill= ig, etc)." Sedan ska annonser visas baserat p=E5 personlighetstyp. Den som visar intresse att utforska en spelv=E4rld klas= sas kanske som en "utforskande" personlighet och f=E5r exempelvis reklam om r= esor. Den som pratar mycket med andra spelare bed=F6ms f=F6rmodligen som "socia= l" och f=E5r kanske reklam f=F6r mobiltelefoni. Och s=E5 vidare. Google skriver = i sin patentans=F6kan att spel som Second Life och World of Warcraft =E4r s=E4r= skilt intressanta som bas f=F6r personlighetskartl=E4ggningen eftersom de antag= ligen =E5terspeglar det beteende som spelarna uppvisar i den verkliga v=E4rlden= . Det =E4r dock inte bara PC-spel som ska ligga till grund f=F6r kartl=E4ggningen av oss. I patentans=F6kan anges att =E4= ven internetuppkopplade spelkonsoller s=E5som Xbox, Sony PlayStation och Nint= endo Wii ska utf=F6ra personlighetsanalys. Google avser ocks=E5 h=E4mta inform= ation om spelarna som finns lagrad p=E5 konsollernas minneskort. "S=E5dan sparad information kan betraktas som tillst=E5ndsinformation, och utg=F6r en v= =E4rdefull informationsk=E4lla f=F6r annons=F6rer", skriver Google. Det =E4r intressant att notera att Google nyligen k=F6pte ett f=F6retag som =E4r verksamt inom just reklam i datasp= el, AdScape. Reklam i dataspel =E4r en boomande bransch, vars oms=E4ttning en= ligt tidningen Guardian f=F6rv=E4ntas =F6ka fr=E5n 250 miljoner pund i =E5r ti= ll 2 miljarder pund =E5r 2010. Google s=E4ger i en kommentar till avsl=F6jande= t om den aktuella patentans=F6kan att det inte =E4r s=E4kert att man kommer att an= v=E4nda sig av teknologin. http://technology.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2078061,00.html -------------------------------------------------- Lyssna p=E5 Agneta Lindblom-Hulth=E9n Nu kan du lyssna p=E5 vad Journalistf=F6rbundets ordf=F6rande, Agneta Lindblom-Hulth=E9n, har att s=E4ga om =F6vervaknings= samh=E4llet. Och det =E4r inte lite. Hon =E4r oerh=F6rt oroad f=F6r utvecklingen, inte= minst med tanke p=E5 medias roll som avsl=F6jare av missf=F6rh=E5llanden. Min inter= vju finns som podcast (mp3) p=E5 Den Nya V=E4lf=E4rdens podcastsajt, www.dnv.se/pod= cast. D=E4r finner du ocks=E5 en hel del annat material om "storebror" att lyssna p= =E5. -------------------------------------------------- 2. =D6vervakningskamera som analyserar m=E4nniskors beteende Revolutionen inom =F6vervakningsteknologin rullar vidare. Nu har ett brittiskt f=F6retag lanserat =E4nnu en =F6vervakningskamera som automatiskt analyserar m=E4nniskors beteende. "T= he bug" (skalbaggen) kallas den f=F6r sitt utseendes skull. Underverket best=E5r av =E5tta kameror, monterade i en ring, som "tittar" =E5t alla h=E5ll. En nionde kamera i mitten =E4r = vrid- och zoombar. En programvara analyserar st=E4ndigt vad m=E4nniskor har f=F6r s= ig, och vid tecken p=E5 s=E5 kallat anti-socialt beteende g=E5r systemet ig=E5ng:= Den r=F6rliga kameran vrider sig automatiskt mot den intressanta personen, zo= omar in vederb=F6rande och lagring av bilderna p=E5b=F6rjas. Dessa bilder kan = h=E4mtas p=E5 distans fr=E5n =F6vervakningscentralen via internet. Ett 50-tal beteenden= =E4r programmerade som suspekta - exakt vilka dessa =E4r framg=E5r inte. Bild: =D6vervakningskameran fr=E5n Viseum, som tolkar m=E4nniskors beteende, best=E5r egentligen av nio kameror "The bug" har utvecklats av det brittiska f=F6retaget Viseum. Deras VD, Stuart Thompson, erk=E4nner att kameran kan= t=E4nkas zooma in oskyldiga personer, men bestrider att det skulle vara integritetskr=E4nkande. "Den som =E4r oskyldig har inget att frukta", s= =E4ger han till media. I staden Luton har systemet testats i 18 m=E5nader. P=E5 tur att installera det st=E5r Chester och Exeter. Priset = per enhet =E4r 7.000 pund. =D6vervakningskameror =E4r inne i en mycket snabb utveckling d=E4r kamerateknologin sm=E4lter samman med IT- och telekom. Beteendeanalys =E4r bara ett exempel p=E5 ny funktionalitet. N=E5gra andr= a exempel, som det forskas kring eller som redan finns representerade p=E5 marknaden, =E4r: - Ansiktsigenk=E4nning (ansikten p=E5 f=F6rbipasserande matchas mot inscannade foton) - G=E5ngigenk=E4nning (m=E4nniskor identifieras via sin g=E5ngstil) - Sk=E4llande kameror (via h=F6gtalare i kamerorna kan m=E4nniskor som felar tillr=E4ttavisas av personalen i =F6vervakningscentralen) - Ilskedetektering (kamerorna har mikrofoner som lyssnar p=E5 m=E4nniskors dialog och automatiskt uppt=E4cker arga sam= tal) - Automatisk inl=E4sning av nummerpl=E5tar p=E5 bilar (ANPR, Automatic Number Plate Recognition) - Flygande =F6vervakningskameror (monterade p=E5 obemannade flygplan som inte =E4r mycket st=F6rre =E4n modellplan - =E4ve= n med inbyggd ANPR) - Sanningsanalys (l=F6gndetektering) genom automatisk analys av m=E4nniskors ansiktsuttryck. - Kameror som l=E4ser p=E5 l=E4pparna Big Brother Bulletin har tidigare i ett flertal artiklar behandlat dessa teknologier. L=E4nkar: http://www.viseum.co.uk http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article1655200.ece -------------------------------------------------- Nu finns TV=C5 storebrorsrapporter som talb=F6cker Nu har =E4ven "Med storebror i baks=E4tet" talats in som mp3-bok. Sedan tidigare kan du lyssna p=E5 "Med storebror i uppfinnarverkstan". Lyssna p=E5 dem i din MP3-spelare eller direkt i dato= rn. Du finnder rapporterna, liksom mer podcastmaterial om =F6vervakning, p=E5= Den Nya V=E4lf=E4rdens podcastsajt www.dnv.se/podcast. -------------------------------------------------- 3. V=E4rmespion i skyn avsl=F6jar energisyndare I Storbritannien har man inlett flyg=F6vervakning av temperaturen i m=E4nniskors hus. Syftet =E4r att h= =E4nga ut de hus=E4gare som bidrar till den globala uppv=E4rmningen genom att sl=F6sa = med energi. Dessutom vill man korta ned bostadsk=F6erna genom att hitta tomma bost=E4der. S=E5 h=E4r har det g=E5tt till: L=E4tta flygplan med milit=E4r spionteknologi som k=E4nner av v=E4rmestr=E5lning har skickats = upp i luften. Dessa har f=E5tt flyga fram och tillbaka f=F6r att ta ett antal b= ilder med infrar=F6d k=E4nslighet, vilket inneb=E4r att det =E4r v=E4rme och in= te ljus som bygger upp bilden. Sedan har varje hus f=E4rgkodats enligt en skala i =E5= tta steg, d=E4r r=F6d =E4r varmast och bl=E5 =E4r kallast. Bild: Den som sl=F6sar med energi blir obarmh=E4rtigt avsl=F6jad p=E5 internet Denna information har sedan lagts in p=E5 en stadskarta, och slutresultatet har lagts ut p=E5 internet. D=E4r kan vem = som helst glida med musen =F6ver den f=E4rgglada bilden, peka p=E5 ett intres= sant hus och genast f=E5 upp en ruta med gatuadress (du kan sj=E4lv prova - l=E4nk= nedan). D=E4rmed blir det oerh=F6rt enkelt f=F6r alla medborgare att se vilka hus som =E4r varma, vilket ocks=E5 =E4r sj=E4lva = syftet. De som har varma hus, och d=E4rmed anses sl=F6sa med energi, ska f=E5 sk=E4m= mas f=F6r att de bidrar till "global warming". Denna moderna variant av skamp=E5len p= =E5 kyrkbacken har redan introducerats i Aberdeen i Skottland och Haringey Council, en stadsdel i London. Minst tv=E5 andra st=E4der/stadsdelar har = visat intresse f=F6r att kopiera id=E9n - Norwich och Chester-le-Street. =C4ndam=E5lsglidningen =E4r redan p=E5 g=E5ng. Myndigheterna i Haringey Council har sagt att informationen ocks=E5 =E4r anv=E4ndbar f=F6r att identifiera hus som st=E5r tomma, i syfte att minsk= a bostadsbristen. Den ansvarige myndighetspersonen, Isidoros Diakides, sa t= ill Times Online att "studien hj=E4lper oss att angripa tre av de st=F6rsta problemen som Haringey idag st=E5r inf=F6r - klimatf=F6r=E4ndring, energi= brist och bostadsbrist". =C4garen till det f=F6retag som genomf=F6rt kartl=E4ggningen, Hottmapping, heter Robert Wilkes. Han s=E4ger att informationen inte =E4r integritetskr=E4nkande: "Det =E4r inget foto, det= =E4r bara en m=E4tning av v=E4rmef=F6rluster", s=E4ger Wilkes. =C4r hemmatemperatur n=E5got som ing=E5r i den privata sf=E4ren och d=E4rmed ska skyddas fr=E5n insyn? Detta =E4r en n= =E5got ov=E4ntad fr=E5gest=E4llning som dataskyddsfolket nu m=E5ste gripa sig an. Man kan konstatera att m=F6jligheter till fortsatt =E4ndam=E5lsglidning inte sakn= as. Om v=E4rmefoton tas ofta kan bilderna exempelvis ge information om vilka fam= iljer som f=F6r n=E4rvarande =E4r bortresta. L=E4nkar: Artikel: http://property.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/property/article1744= 293.ece F=F6retaget bakom: http://www.hotmapping.co.uk/ Se v=E4rmebilderna h=E4r: http://www.seeit.co.uk/haringey/Map.cfm -------------------------------------------------- Mer om =F6vervakningssamh=E4llet p=E5 sajten www.stoppa-storebror.se -------------------------------------------------- 4. Hemlig k=E4lla med insyn avsl=F6jar FRA:s dimrid=E5er Nedanst=E5ende ins=E4ndare kom in till Integritetsombudsmannen under beg=E4ran om st=F6rsta sekretess avseende skribentens identitet. Vederb=F6rande kallar sig "En initierad k=E4lla so= m arbetat hos en av FRA:s uppdragsgivare". Varje ord =E4r v=E4gt p=E5 guldv= =E5g f=F6r att inte avsl=F6ja f=F6r mycket om skribentens insyn, eftersom detta skul= le kunna bidra till att ge ledtr=E5dar om hans/hennes identitet. Det =E4r oc= ks=E5 mycket initierade synpunkter p=E5 den planerade FRA-=F6vervakningen som f= =F6rs fram. H=E4r kommer ins=E4ndaren: Den 12 april tog jag del av utfr=E5gningen i riksdagen om FRA-f=F6rslaget. HG Wessberg och Ingvar =C5kesson gav dessv= =E4rre bristf=E4llig information och f=F6rteg viktiga fakta under hearingen. 1) "FRA kommer inte att lagra all kommunikation" Detta =E4r en halvsanning, eftersom FRA ges m=F6jlighet att lagra enorma m=E4ngder trafikuppgifter: Vem har haft kont= akt med vem och n=E4r. =C4ven fru Karlssons utlandskontakter riskerar att lagras.= FRA kommer h=E4r sannolikt att anv=E4nda mycket breda s=F6kbegrepp (f=F6r sin= egen metodutveckling). L=E4s i propositionen p=E5 s. 71-72 och i FRA:s eget remissvar. Inneh=E5llet sparas kanske inte vid denna inh=E4mtning, men kontaktuppgifterna kommer att kunna lagras mycket l=E4nge. Lagen medger o= cks=E5 att dessa uppgifter f=E5r utbytas med andra l=E4nder. Dessutom: Oavsett vad som lagras kommer =E5tskilliga svenskars meddelanden att genoms=F6kas efter nyckelord. =C4v= en lagr=E5det har tydligt markerat att integritetsintr=E5nget best=E5r i att= FRA =F6verhuvudtaget ges tillg=E5ng till kabelfl=F6det. 2) "FRA m=E5ste =E5terta den trafik som p=E5 senare =E5r flyttat fr=E5n etern ner i kablarna" Halvsanning. S=E4kert har FRA f=F6rlorat trafik som inte l=E4ngre g=E5r i etern, men i kablarna f=F6rekommer ocks=E5 mass= vis av kommunikation som FRA aldrig haft tillg=E5ng till. Att det r=F6r sig om h= elt nya, gigantiska datam=E4ngder =E4r v=E4lk=E4nt och tydligg=F6rs ocks=E5 a= v de nyinvesteringar som m=E5ste g=F6ras. 3) "FRA kan inte spana mot enskilda telefon- eller internetabonnemang" Fel. FRA har redan f=F6rklarat att s=F6kbegrepp kan utg=F6ras av t.ex. telefonnummer, IP-nummer eller e-postadresser. 4) "Underr=E4ttelserna f=E5r inte anv=E4ndas i den direkta brottsbek=E4mpningen" Fel. Underr=E4ttelseinformation anv=E4nds redan idag vid vissa utvisnings=E4renden. Som Anders Eriksson s=E5 riktigt p=E5= pekade handlar det ju h=E4r om hemlig preventiv avlyssning. FRA samlar informati= on som i sin tur kan ligga till grund f=F6r uppdragsgivares =E5tg=E4rder mot enskilda. Dessa =E5tg=E4rder kan vara av olika natur. Givetvis l=E4mnar F= RA ocks=E5 =F6ver uppgifter om enskilda till utl=E4ndska tj=E4nster. 5) "S=E4kerheten f=F6r v=E5ra soldater utomlands =E4ventyras om propositionen bordl=E4ggs" Mycket tveksamt. Tr=E5dinh=E4mtningen kommer att ha h=F6gst marginell betydelse f=F6r detta. Vi kan ta Afghanistan som exe= mpel. Studera g=E4rna hur kommunikationsn=E4ten ser ut d=E4r borta. Det =E4r i = h=F6g grad satellitburen trafik som g=E4ller. Den kommer man troligen =E5t fr=E5n Sv= erige. Dessutom: Det b=E4sta skyddet f=E5r man i regel genom eterspaning p=E5 pl= ats. Det =E4r mycket vanligt att det =E4r just luftburen trafik som dominerar i krisomr=E5den. Ett merv=E4rde av kabelspaningen kan f=F6rst=E5s inte helt= uteslutas, men svensk trupps s=E4kerhet st=E5r inte och faller med kabelaccessen, so= m HG Wessberg h=E4vdade. Detta vet naturligtvis FRA. 6) "F=F6rsvarsunderr=E4ttelseverksamhet syftar inte till att kartl=E4gga enskilda". Fel. H=E4r r=E4cker det kanske med att citera integritetsskyddskommitt=E9n. Man konstaterar n=E4mligen att verksamheten= "ber=F6r enskilda i stor omfattning". Lagen medger ocks=E5 spaning mot enskild om = det f=F6religger synnerliga sk=E4l. Anne Rambergs, Thomas Bodstr=F6ms och And= ers Erikssons inl=E4gg var ocks=E5 mycket klarg=F6rande p=E5 den h=E4r punkte= n. F=F6rhoppningsvis har vi nu h=F6rt detta felaktiga p=E5st=E5ende f=F6r si= sta g=E5ngen. 7) "Inrikestrafik kommer inte att inh=E4mtas, eftersom inga positiva s=F6kbegrepp kommer att ge tr=E4ff i detta fl=F6de= " Fel. Sj=E4lvklart kommer =E4ven positiva s=F6kbegrepp ibland ge tr=E4ff i inrikestrafik. Filtrering med nyckelord = kommer aldrig att ha perfekt tr=E4ffs=E4kerhet. Detta framg=E5r ocks=E5 p=E5 s. = 102 i propositionen. De uppenbara problem som FRA har med tr=E4ffs=E4kerheten i= dag kommer dessutom att =F6ka, eftersom materialm=E4ngderna m=E5ngdubblas med kabelaccessen. 8) "F=F6rhandsgranskning av 250 000 s=F6kbegrepp l=E5ter sig inte g=F6ras" Irrelevant. Om FRA =E4ven i forts=E4ttningen ska hantera 250 000 s=F6kbegrepp =E5terst=E5r v=E4l att se. Den slutliga lagt= exten kan ju medf=F6ra att antalet m=E5ste reduceras avsev=E4rt. Diskussionen g=E4ller dessutom f=F6rhandsgranskning av s=F6kbegrepp inom inriktningar som emanerar fr=E5= n brottsbek=E4mpande myndigheter eller som i =F6vrigt ber=F6r privatpersone= r. Nog m=E5ste v=E4l detta vara en hanterbar m=E4ngd s=F6kbegrepp? =D6vriga para= metrar (majoriteten?) torde inte vara av samma integritetsk=E4nsliga natur. D=E4= r skulle kanske efterhandskontroll vara tillr=E4ckligt. Anders Eriksson tog ocks=E5 upp Tyskland som exempel, d=E4r man just har en v=E4l fungerande f=F6rhandsgranskning. Men= ar allts=E5 Ingvar =C5kesson att tysk signalspaning =E4r v=E4sensskild fr=E5n svensk?= Man kan ju undra hur m=E5nga s=F6kbegrepp det r=F6r sig om i Tyskland. =D6vriga reflektioner: Det framgick under utfr=E5gningen att tillsynen av FRA har varit mycket bristf=E4llig. Det nu aktuella f=F6rslaget syftar givetvis till att =E4ntligen lagreglera FRA. Men p=E5 samma g=E5ng utvidg= ar man mandatet. Myndighetens verksamhet =E4r i behov av en grundlig genomlysnin= g. Denna b=F6r rimligen utf=F6ras innan man ens diskuterar att s=E4tta nya signalspaningsverktyg i h=E4nderna p=E5 regeringen. N=E5gon utredning av = FRA fr=E5n integritetssynpunkt har aldrig gjorts, vilket =E4r anm=E4rkningsv=E4rt. V= ad vet egentligen riksdagens ledam=F6ter om FRA? Anders Bj=F6rck framh=F6ll F=F6rsvarets Underr=E4ttelsen=E4mnds (FUN) f=F6rtr=E4fflighet. De spaningsuppdrag som = FRA utf=F6rt =E5t brottsbek=E4mpande myndigheter har dock inte varit f=F6rem=E5l f=F6r= FUN:s kontroll. Detta faktum p=E5pekas ocks=E5 av integritetsskyddskommitt=E9n.= =C4ven 11-septemberutredningen var kritisk betr=E4ffande tillsynen av FRA. Det finns alltf=F6r m=E5nga obesvarade fr=E5gor: Hur omfattande har FRA:s eterspaning varit? I hur h=F6g grad har den varit ri= ktad mot den egna befolkningen? Har man f=E5ngat upp inrikes trafik? Vilka personuppgifter har man registrerat? Hur har man beaktat proportionalitetsprincipen? Har k=E4llskyddet respekterats? Har verksamhe= ten ut=F6vats i enlighet med Europakonventionen? Medborgarna beh=F6ver tydliga svar p=E5 dessa och andra fr=E5gor. Om propositionen bordl=E4ggs finns det ocks=E5 tid att ut= reda detta, t.ex. genom tills=E4ttandet av en granskningskommission. Inf=F6r d= enna skulle FRA-anst=E4llda kunna tala =F6ppet om sina erfarenheter. Socialdemokraterna presenterade sin kravlista veckan efter utfr=E5gningen. Dessa krav =E4r alla h=F6gst relevanta och b= orde ha funnits med i lagf=F6rslaget fr=E5n f=F6rsta b=F6rjan. L=E5t oss bara hop= pas att villkoren inte =E4r f=F6rhandlingsbara. Det =E4r s=E4rskilt gl=E4djande a= tt (s) insett att "yttre hot" =E4r ett f=F6r vidstr=E4ckt begrepp och att FUN =E4r dire= kt ol=E4mpligt som kontrollorgan. Samtidigt =E4r det n=E5got oroande att man= talar om snabbutredningar trots att det g=E4ller mycket grundl=E4ggande integritetsfr=E5gor. Varf=F6r har v=E5ra folkvalda s=E5 sv=E5rt att ta ti= ll sig av integritetsskyddskommitt=E9ns svidande kritik? Det finns n=E5gra (s)-punkter som beh=F6ver preciseras. Likas=E5 har man f=F6rbisett vissa omr=E5den. Kravlistan b=F6= r kompletteras enligt f=F6ljande: - Utred FRA:s verksamhet under de senaste 10 =E5ren fr=E5n integritetssynpunkt. Om FRA ske ges utvidgat mandat, m=E5st= e vi vara s=E4kra p=E5 att vi kan lita p=E5 myndigheten. - Skapa s=E4rregler f=F6r anv=E4ndning av s=F6kbegrepp som =E4r h=E4nf=F6rliga till enskilda som uppeh=E5ller sig i Sverige. Ett= direkt f=F6rbud b=F6r =F6verv=E4gas. - F=F6rbjud FRA att lagra trafikuppgifter som inte =E4r kopplade till redan godk=E4nda spaningsobjekt. - Detaljreglera FRA:s samarbete med andra l=E4nder. - Inv=E4nta Integritetsskyddskommitt=E9ns slutbet=E4nkande. En initierad k=E4lla som arbetat hos en av FRA:s uppdragsgivare -------------------------------------------------- Du kan hj=E4lpa till att =F6vervaka =F6vervakarna! Hj=E4lp till att =F6vervaka v=E5ra =F6vervakare! Anslut din sajt till Creeper, som g=F6r det m=F6jligt f=F6r medborgarna a= tt se vilka sajter man tittar p=E5 vid svenska myndigheter och politiska partie= r! Ju fler sajter som ansluter sig, desto b=E4ttre kan vi =F6vervaka v=E5ra sty= rande! Det g=E5r p=E5 n=E5gra minuter. Se mer p=E5 www.gnuheter.com/creeper/inde= x -------------------------------------------------- 5. H=E4nt i korthet Polis sp=E5rade hj=E4rtpatient geografiskt - via mobilen Det h=E4r =E4r en solskenshistoria, men med en m=F6rk underton som visar hur l=E4tt myndigheterna kan sp=E5ra och kartl= =E4gga m=E4nniskor om de =F6nskar. Vid sjukhuset Childrens Hospital of Pittsburg= h i USA d=F6k pl=F6tsligt ett hj=E4rta upp som passade en viss patient som var i = behov av hj=E4rttransplantation. Det var mycket br=E5ttom - men personalen lyckade= s inte f=E5 kontakt med f=F6r=E4ldrarna till patienten, tio=E5rige John Paul May= . D=E5 kontaktade sjukhuset polisen, som i sin tur kontaktade telebolaget Sprint hos vilket mamman var kund. Via s=E5 kallad triangulering (en form av pej= ling) s=E5g man att pojkens mamma befann sig p=E5 en jazzfestival p=E5 Slippery= Rock University. Polisen begav sig dit, avbr=F6t konserten och efterlyste mamm= an - som lyckligt nog hade sonen med sig. Redan samma dag genomf=F6rdes transplantationen. Kommentar: Detta utg=F6r ett exempel p=E5 den nya tekn= ologin "cell phone mining" - att utvinna diverse informatin ur de data som omger m=E4nniskors anv=E4ndning av mobiltelefoner. http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20070510/ca_pr_on_tc/cell_phone_transplant Beatrice Ask vill att operat=F6rerna patrullerar n=E4tet I en intervju i Computer Sweden s=E4ger justitieminister Beatrice Ask att internetoperat=F6rerna m=E5ste ta ansva= r f=F6r att "rensa bort olagligt material fr=E5n internet". Om operat=F6rna inte = tar sitt ansvar hotar lagstiftning, s=E4ger Ask. Operat=F6rerna sl=E5r ifr=E5= n sig och menar att det inte =E4r deras sak att l=E4gga sin i inneh=E5llet i kunder= nas meddelanden. Kommentar: En stor fara med att tvinga eller pressa internetoperat=F6rerna att agera n=E5gon slags polis p=E5 n=E4tet =E4r at= t det l=E4tt driver fram en kontroll av kundernas trafik i masskala. Hur kan operat=F6= rerna s=E4kerst=E4lla att surfande, epostande och andra digitala aktiviteter = =E4r lagliga om de inte tar del av informationen som s=E4nds? T=E4nk om Posten= skulle =F6ppna varje brev f=F6r att kontrollera om det inneh=E5ller n=E5got olag= ligt? Vi m=E5ste med fasthet avvisa en utveckling mot ett samh=E4lle d=E4r medborg= arnas digitala aktiviteter st=E4ndigt =F6vervakas. Det skulle vara kr=E4nkande,= hota privatlivets helgd och utg=F6ra ett brott mot FN:s deklaration om m=E4nsk= liga r=E4ttigheter, artikel 12. http://www.idg.se/2.1085/1.107108 Alliansen =F6verens om buggning Nyligen enade sig den borgerliga regeringen om att inf=F6ra hemlig rumsavlyssning (buggning) som ett nytt polisi=E4rt tv=E5ngsmedel. Lagen ska g=E4lla p=E5 f=F6rs=F6k i tre =E5r. Tidningsreda= ktioner =E4r undantagna, och f=E5r allts=E5 inte buggas. http://www.svd.se/dynamiskt/inrikes/did_15591058.asp Flashback startar ny anonymiseringstj=E4nst Det samh=E4llskritiska media- och IT-f=F6retaget Flashback startar idag en ny tj=E4nst f=F6r den som vill anv=E4nda intern= et anonymt. Det g=E5r att prova gratis i fem dagar. https://www.flashback.name/ Anonymiseringstj=E4nsten Dold kritiseras av polisen Anonymiseringstj=E4nsten Dold, som drivs av IDG och erbjuder anonym anv=E4ndning av internet, har drabbats av ett delikat problem. Polisen h=E4vdar att en av Dolds kunder har laddat hem barnpornografiskt material, och d=E4rf=F6r beg=E4rt ut information fr=E5n= Dold om vem som ligger bakom den aktuella IP-adressen. Dold kan inte l=E4mna ut d= en informationen, helt enkelt f=F6r att den inte finns. Att inte logga s=E5d= an information =E4r i sj=E4lva verket hela id=E9n bakom tj=E4nsten. Det lede= r nu till att polisen h=E4vdar att Dold inte bara skyddar utan =E4ven hj=E4lper til= l att skapa brottslighet. Kommentar: Brott har i alla tider kunnat beg=E5s i sk= ydd av anonymitet. Det faktum att brott beg=E5s kan inte motivera att anonymi= teten avskaffas. Anonymitet =E4r ett viktigt socialt skydd och en medborgerlig r=E4ttighet. Naturligtvis ska information l=E4mnas ut i en brottsutrednin= g om informationen finns, men det =E4r orimligt att tvinga fram ett avskaffand= e av anonymiteten f=F6r att f=F6renkla brottsbek=E4mpningen. Det vore som att = stoppa anonyma brev (p=E5 papper) genom att lagstifta om att alla som skickar et= t brev m=E5ste legitimera sig och loggas i ett avs=E4ndarregister. Ibland m= =E5ste medborgerliga r=E4ttigheter st=E5 =F6ver samh=E4llsintressen - att h=E4vd= a n=E5got annat =E4r att ge prov p=E5 en auktorit=E4r samh=E4llssyn. http://www.idg.se/2.1085/1.103873 Creeper hj=E4lper oss att =F6vervaka =F6vervakarna En sympatisk tj=E4nst har lanserats av en grupp svenska tekniker som =E4r integritetsanh=E4ngare. Creeper, som den kallas= , hj=E4lper oss unders=E5tar att se vilka internetsajter som olika myndighe= ter och politiska partier tittar p=E5. Det bygger p=E5 att de sajter som vill var= a med i projektet l=E4gger ut en liten snutt HTML-kod p=E5 sin sajt. D=E4refter b= lir det m=F6jligt f=F6r vem som helst att visa Creepers sajt se vilka svenska myndigheter och politiska partier som varit inne p=E5 den aktuella sidan.= Allt =E4r gratis och ingen registrering kr=E4vs. Sedan n=E5gra veckor =E4r stoppa-storebror.se anm=E4ld till projektet, vilket inneb=E4r att du kan = se myndigheters och partiers eventuella bes=F6k p=E5 den sajten. Nyligen avs= l=F6jades via Creeper att F=F6rsvarets Radioanstalt, FRA, varit inne och tittat p= =E5 sidor f=F6r fildelning (se nedan). Artikel: http://sakerhet.idg.se/2.1070/1.107515 Creeper: http://www.gnuheter.com/creeper/index Senaste myndighetstittarna: http://www.gnuheter.com/creeper/senaste R=E4dsla f=F6r FRA h=E5ller Google borta fr=E5n Sverige Googles h=F6gste ansvarige f=F6r personlig integritet, Peter Fleischer, har nyligen bes=F6kt Sverige. Han =E4r stark= t kritisk till den planerade FRA-=F6vervakningen. "F=F6rslaget =E4r sprunge= t ur en tradition inledd av Saudiarabien och Kina och h=F6r helt enkelt inte hemm= a i en v=E4sterl=E4ndsk demokrati", s=E4ger han. Vidare s=E4ger han att Googl= e aldrig kan placera n=E5gra servrar innanf=F6r Sveriges gr=E4nser om FRA-=F6verva= kningen genomf=F6rs: "Vi kan helt enkelt inte kompromissa med v=E5ra anv=E4ndares integritet och l=E5ta svenska myndigheter ta del av data som kanske inte = ens r=F6r svensk aktivitet". Google =F6ppnade nyligen ett nytt datacenter i B= elgien, en investering p=E5 =F6ver 2 miljarder kronor. http://www.idg.se/2.1085/1.109576 R=E4dsla f=F6r FRA f=F6ranleder finsk serverflytt Teliasonera och deras kunder i Finland vill inte att Sveriges spionmyndighet FRA ska kunna avlyssna inneh=E5llet i me= jl som skickas inrikes i Finland. D=E4rf=F6r ska nu Teliasonera Finland flyt= ta sina e-postservrar fr=E5n Sverige till Finland. http://www.nyteknik.se/art/50490 FRA avsl=F6jar sig genom skrivfel F=F6rsvarets Radioanstalt avsl=F6jar en del av sina planer p=E5 avlyssning och =F6vervakning genom en =E4ndring av formuleringarna p=E5 sin sajt. Nyligen publicerades en text d=E4r FRA kra= ftigt markerar att svenska privatpersoner och f=F6retag inte kommer att bli f= =F6rem=E5l f=F6r avlyssning om regeringens nuvarande f=F6rslag g=E5r igenom. Denna t= ext byttes dock snabbt ut mot en annan version med luddigare formuleringar. Exempel p=E5 f=F6r=E4ndringar: "FRA spanar inte p=E5 svenskar" har blivit= : "FRA spanar inte inrikes". "Varken svenska folket eller svenska f=F6retag ska avlyssnas" har blivit: "FRA ska inte avlyssna svensk inrikestrafik". "Vi = =E4r inte intresserade av svenskar" har blivit: "Vi =E4r inte intresserade av vanliga svenskar". Det g=E5r fortfarande att hitta den ursprungliga versi= onen av FRA:s sajt: S=F6k i Google p=E5 frasen "FRA varken kan". Klicka sedan = p=E5 Cachad-l=E4nken. Artikel: http://www.nyteknik.se/art/50582 J=E4mf=F6relse mellan versionerna: http://www.frendo.se/fra_korr.html FRA kan f=E5 ge spaningsuppdrag till sig sj=E4lv I sin argumentation f=F6r att f=E5 signalspana i de fasta, civila telen=E4ten har F=F6rsvarets Radioanstalt understrukit a= tt man enbart ska arbeta p=E5 uppdrag av myndigheter. "FRA [...] bedriver inte underr=E4ttelseverksamhet f=F6r egna syften", skriver de p=E5 sin webbpla= ts. Det =E4r dock precis vad FRA kan komma att g=F6ra, om ett f=F6rslag som lades= fram i m=E5ndags f=F6rverkligas. D=E5 presenterade regeringens s=E4rskilde utred= are Mats Sj=F6strand sin utredning om hantering av olyckor och kriser. D=E4r f=F6r= esl=E5s, bland mycket annat, att ansvaret f=F6r informationss=E4kerhet i Sverige s= ka flyttas =F6ver till FRA. Det inneb=E4r i praktiken att FRA f=E5r ge uppdr= ag till sig sj=E4lv, n=E5got som utredaren ocks=E5 bekr=E4ftar i en intervju i Co= mputer Sweden. http://www.idg.se/2.1085/1.106946 Dessa =E4r socialdemokratins 10 krav f=F6r att st=F6dja FRA-=F6vervakningen Socialdemokraterna har presenterat en lista med tio krav p=E5 f=F6r=E4ndringar i regeringsf=F6rslaget om FRA-avlyssni= ng och -=F6vervakning f=F6r att st=F6dja det. Bland annat kr=E4ver man att s= yftet =E4ndras fr=E5n spaning mot "yttre hot" till "yttre v=E4pnade hot". http://www.idg.se/2.1085/1.104281 Saxat ur FRAktuellt (generaldirekt=F6ren skriver) Tisdagen den 20 [mars] deltog vi i en hearing hos den socialdemokratiska riksdagsgruppen som Ulrica Messing och Thomas Bodstr=F6m hade ordnat. Vi fr=E5n FRA fick d=E5 en bra m=F6jlighet att l= =E4gga ut texten och jag tror att det gjorde nytta. Det som jag tyckte var mest positivt var den str=E4van efter en bra l=F6sning f=F6r FRA och f=F6r Sve= rige som b=E5de Messing och Bodstr=F6m gav uttryck f=F6r. FRA m=E5ste f=E5 kabelac= cess f=F6rklarade b=E5da med stor emfas. Messing var utomordentligt tydlig: FR= A har varit och skall =E4ven i framtiden vara en garant f=F6r en oberoende sven= sk s=E4kerhetspolitik. Det k=E4ndes v=E4ldigt sk=F6nt att h=F6ra! 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Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 2007-06-01= 11:22 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Jun 03 20:55:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98489 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2007 03:46:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2007 03:46:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.246) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2007 03:46:54 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2007 03:46:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2007 03:46:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2007 03:46:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 03:46:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.109 From: "jotape1960" Subject: AM Stereo Tuners today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=w-wvC4BOj74ev2vivHJ-fmMz-FiVOAucpeRgiY_fn1F10rR3Ag X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI AM STEREO GANG!!! I wonder where can I find a very good AM Stereo tuner, car or desktop=20 (not Meduci, I mean devices from "standard" manufacters like Sony,=20 Philips, Pionner, Blaupunkt, etc), in my part side of the world=20 (Chile) I hope so, today. Any idea? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jun 03 23:54:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36673 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2007 06:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2007 06:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.163) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2007 06:54:06 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n6.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2007 06:53:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2007 06:53:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2007 06:53:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 06:53:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.9.37 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: AM Stereo Tuners today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=o7NkiD1U1QJLz4YPZs-ws8dHA5dMHUSEHrWwPkNge-SUOH37 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > HI AM STEREO GANG!!! >=20 > I wonder where can I find a very good AM Stereo tuner, car or desktop=20 > (not Meduci, I mean devices from "standard" manufacters like Sony,=20 > Philips, Pionner, Blaupunkt, etc), in my part side of the world=20 > (Chile) I hope so, today. The only known retail car, porable and home tuners from any major manufacturer are in Japan. You'll need to find a seller that exports Japan-only electronics, such as www.audiocubes.com. Sony, Sanyo and Pioneer still maintain a few models. Audiocubes has three of Sony's portables. The SRF-A300, although a bit heavy on the bass, is your best bet, being a portable/tabletop receiver. As far as I know, there are no known retail (in the stores) radios and tuners anywhere else in the world, except for some esoteric communications receivers (The Japan Radio, Inc. NRD-545, if I recall) and some high-end retailers that sell Fanfare's tuners. Even here in America, finding a C-QUAM capable receiver, save for the fact a couple HD-Radio tuners can as a secondary DSP function, in consumer-electronics retailers is next to impossible. It's either imported from Japan that specialises in Japan-only products, or there's Fanfare...or Meduci. That's it. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jun 04 07:10:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84653 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2007 14:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2007 14:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.159) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2007 14:10:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 14491 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jun 2007 14:10:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: sgUdJ9MVM1lD9mK_iMQ6lJKzp_UswMyWEIkC86baQhRKhyJJzj4Yt6TdLDqDPR9ajBBqaxMFQ3Do.Nt6G8OZpSCxVOXLEzzgYpDm1sOy2XxkviB5ggJ1PZPSaA-- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 07:10:27 PDT Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 07:10:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <308796.13244.qm@web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Testing HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=2VZi2AhHrKtKP2lutytyYHll-A23EJWr1olAMgrKy4S4SMbVmpybaMw X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hi All, I am currently evaluating an HD radio, but I don't want to put my initial impressions "down on paper" yet, so I'm going to wait a week to get used to it, then I'll give you a review. John PS: No, it doesn't decode CQuam-unfortunately ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jun 05 06:46:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16365 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2007 13:46:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2007 13:46:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2007 13:46:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 30661 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jun 2007 13:45:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: RuM5YiYVM1k6I6FNyOXNCpZ1YQCqVN1KKqSBmze0pmNdJFX8uOSw1hS.j7yH2fWst44ddPJxVL1as3u2LXaHERjeu.gbbbB1eG6PgejdL8U7rFC0FU9WK1951A-- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 06:45:14 PDT Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:45:14 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <978377.29996.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Test of 2 HD Radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=_JffZ8vSMwcYsOd9l6bI7Cnhp12S9cR7zQwENeaFyBGOVio0C5OPU10 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hi - here's my comments on two Directed Electronics HD radios: HD Comment #1: 'Able to receive analog stations previously lost in the HD buzz zone'. Interesting to note: they have a filter in the HD radio so that it BLOCKS the HD BUZZSAW when receiving analog stations adjacent to HD! On an analog radio, I have terrible buzzsaws on 580 and 540 from an HD at 560, BUT, on the HD radio, it has a filter that nearly totally eliminates the HD buzz, and audio can be heard on 580KHz again. Very interesting - I don't know how they do it - out of phase cancellation? Anyhow, the HD radios give the (false) impression that there's no buzzsaws from the HD as you can once again receive stations lost to the buzz. HD Comment #2: Regarding HD on AM: horrible "sibilance". When the HD kicks in on AM, every single "S" sound is slurred and very annoying. So far, I am not impressed with just plain VOCAL / SPEECH on HD - it's nasty, almost as bad as XM's traffic channels. This is bad with 75% of AM stations being a news/talk operation, this is not good. I would like to report on music, but I've had a horrible time trying to get an HD lock on Radio Disney Detroit, when I do, it's not been too bad, but I can't get more than 5 seconds at best. IMO, the HD AM codec is not pretty sounding at all for voice - while you gain bass, you lose the mid-range 'hiss', you gain a very high-end treble, but you get 'wispy' SSSsss sounds when people talk - in commercials, in syndicated talk radio, local talk shows, and during the infomercials too (based on WSPD). HD Comment #3: Unlike CQuam AM, the 'improved' HD signal does NOT cover the same area as analog, nor does it improve the coverage area. I could almost support HD AM - IF - it actually improved the coverage area of AM stations, but it appears with the two radios that I'm testing that it is much less area of coverage. Of the five Detroit-area 50KW (daytime) AM stations, I can only get an HD lock on WJR - provided there's no thunderstorm activity within 100 miles. I have tried the RS loop, and and outdoor longwire antenna without any better luck than an occasional HD lock on WWJ and WFDF (Disney). 5KW local WSPD will lock reliably within 7 miles of the towers - if - not thunderstorms within 60 miles. Hopefully FANFARE will be able to someday share their Omega technology with the HD folks to overcome this big issue. HD Comment #4: The mobile FM HD tuner add-on isn't half bad, in fact, the mobile tuner is quite good, but the table-top is not. The mobile has a razor-sharp filter, so you can tune a FIRST ADJACENT FM station that you can't get on a regular analog receiver! With it's built-in RBDS, the mobile HD add-on makes for a great FM DX radio - and I highly recommend the mobile for FM DX, and for cooking toast on it, as it almost gets that hot. HD Comment #5: FM digital codec is okay, as good as the 48KB XM SatRad audio, but still 'digital sounding' - not quite as 'full' as analog, and stereo separation isn't quite as good as the analog. This is the only fault I find in the FM section in the mobile HD - the FM ANALOG tuner is too damn good that the HD audio doesn't sound any better! I don't think that the general public will gain enough to want to pay $200. As sensitive as these FM section is, it still doesn't decode the rim-shot FMs in my area, and you need a dipole fully-open up on the wall to decode 75% of the local FM HD's on the tabletop. HD Comment #6: Most importantly, it appears to decode CQuam ONLY with a very strong signal, even CFCO with "3 bars" won't do it, it has to be a full-scale signal (Alfredo lite) to get some stereo decoding. HD Comment #7: My suggestions: IF they were to add some menu or set-up buttons, they could sell these radios with the following: a: Add a full CQuam decoder (and CAM-D ?) b: Add a 'force to analog' control to bypass HD on selected stations so you could still decode RBDS and not rely on a switching from analog to HD FM signal, or to get rid of the nasty HD codec on AM. c: Add a selectable bandwidth control to pull the AM section out to 8KHz for your music stations (in CQuam) and selectable for FM wide/narrow. d: Indicators for analog stereo AM, stereo FM, and bandwidth. e: Heatsink on the mobile tuner. f: There is a plug (similar to a keyboard plug) on the back of the tabletop HD radio - could they sell a USB cable that would plug into this port so you could download 'updates' for the radio? g: Sell the tabletop HD radio with a Terk or RS AM Loop Antenna, rabbit ears for FM, and market these radios for 'DX'ers' who can now pull their analog stations out of the digital muck. There's the good, the bad, and the ugly that I've found on my consumer-grade HD radio equipment (so far) - I haven't tested any 'studio-quality' HD hardware yet, but I'll let you know my thoughts if I do. I'll keep toying with the hardware and let you know if I come-up with anymore goodies, but that's my initial impressions after just 5 days of HD on the Directed Electronics HD tabletop and HD mobile add-on. John ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Jun 05 07:46:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24705 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2007 14:44:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2007 14:44:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2007 14:44:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 70034 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jun 2007 14:44:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: pa5hL1YVM1n7jhbzozlfHVHFeV8dD_eMdQYs8zTtgCPzsbtNy.Ualn1aQOAYMRTlrf7O1ij.Kg-- Received: from [209.213.18.149] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 07:44:15 PDT Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:44:15 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <978377.29996.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <626579.69061.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Test of 2 HD Radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=IFyYpJqu-UIOR1rkQqotO0fvGVi9dVVTal5YKrbzwks X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Here's a comment from me inbedded: --- "John P." wrote: > HD Comment #3: Unlike CQuam AM, the 'improved' HD > signal does NOT cover > the same area as analog, nor does it improve the > coverage area. I > could almost support HD AM - IF - it actually > improved the coverage > area of AM stations, but it appears with the two > radios that I'm > testing that it is much less area of coverage. Of > the five > Detroit-area 50KW (daytime) AM stations, I can only > get an HD lock on > WJR - provided there's no thunderstorm activity > within 100 miles. I > have tried the RS loop, and and outdoor longwire > antenna without any > better luck than an occasional HD lock on WWJ and > WFDF (Disney). 5KW > local WSPD will lock reliably within 7 miles of the > towers - if - not > thunderstorms within 60 miles. Hopefully FANFARE > will be able to > someday share their Omega technology with the HD > folks to overcome this > big issue. OK it can't at the power level the digital has. On FM it's 1% of the analog. Now I think it's the same on AM. So 500 watts digital is certainly not going to have the coverage of the 50,000 watt AM. Now with just a flip of a switch ( a software one at that) you can go all digital on AM at any time. It's not that simple on FM. I'd like to see what coverage is, say on WJR in all digital mode. Don't count on it any time soon. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Jun 05 18:14:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5514 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2007 01:06:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2007 01:06:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao105.cox.net) (68.230.241.41) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2007 01:06:38 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20070606010627.JHWY9600.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:06:27 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.4.50.99]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 81631X00J28Qjxw0000000; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 21:06:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <978377.29996.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <978377.29996.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 18:05:59 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Test of 2 HD Radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=3vKn95E-Jtpk65zxHTaZLlaPCp7I9iDf1r3wTT-EKqKQpWPfaOUgSarnxmF- X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Blaupunkt's recent car stereos do the same thing. On Jun 5, 2007, at 6:45 AM, John P. wrote: > HD Comment #1: 'Able to receive analog stations previously lost in the > HD buzz zone'. Interesting to note: they have a filter in the HD radio > so that it BLOCKS the HD BUZZSAW when receiving analog stations > adjacent to HD! On an analog radio, I have terrible buzzsaws on 580 > and 540 from an HD at 560, BUT, on the HD radio, it has a filter that > nearly totally eliminates the HD buzz, and audio can be heard on > 580KHz > again. Very interesting - I don't know how they do it - out of phase > cancellation? Anyhow, the HD radios give the (false) impression that > there's no buzzsaws from the HD as you can once again receive stations > lost to the buzz. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Jun 05 18:19:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14849 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2007 01:10:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2007 01:10:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao106.cox.net) (68.230.241.40) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2007 01:10:04 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20070606010814.IEFA1540.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:08:14 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.4.50.99]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 817u1X00M28Qjxw0000000; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 21:08:10 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <978377.29996.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <978377.29996.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 18:07:51 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Test of 2 HD Radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=rGFV2Qx3y-lyyIjyQg75radrvKyJ98yUFZYFgDleQA4OKeC83Jq_hR8pptEu X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Radio Disney in Los Angeles sounds fabulous. People I had listen could not tell the difference between KDIS AM and KIIS-FM as far as sound quality. Processing at the station is paramount. On Jun 5, 2007, at 6:45 AM, John P. wrote: > HD Comment #2: Regarding HD on AM: horrible "sibilance". When the HD > kicks in on AM, every single "S" sound is slurred and very annoying. > So far, I am not impressed with just plain VOCAL / SPEECH on HD - it's > nasty, almost as bad as XM's traffic channels. This is bad with 75% of > AM stations being a news/talk operation, this is not good. I would > like to report on music, but I've had a horrible time trying to get an > HD lock on Radio Disney Detroit, when I do, it's not been too bad, but > I can't get more than 5 seconds at best. IMO, the HD AM codec is not > pretty sounding at all for voice - while you gain bass, you lose the > mid-range 'hiss', you gain a very high-end treble, but you get 'wispy' > SSSsss sounds when people talk - in commercials, in syndicated talk > radio, local talk shows, and during the infomercials too (based on > WSPD). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue Jun 05 18:22:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78092 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2007 01:22:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2007 01:22:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2007 01:22:21 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.67]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 181243665-1881964 for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 20:22:14 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <003801c7a7d9$a60f2260$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <626579.69061.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 20:25:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 1, in=2, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.67 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Test of 2 HD Radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=wv9ZXlXPWaZDxUP2OmK88krXFuC717TWUDo_xGVUg18DRCkyQRzC X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Actually MW HD power levels are much greater than FM levels. I forget by how much, but it's quite a bit. Your comment about when stations go all digital is right on the money, however. While power levels won't be what they were in analog, they'll still have much greater coverage than they do in hybrid mode. Question is, will John and Jane Q. Public stick around for it? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > > > OK it can't at the power level the digital has. On FM > it's 1% of the analog. Now I think it's the same on > AM. From bluegto@bellsouth.net Thu Jun 07 09:40:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: bluegto@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47603 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2007 16:40:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2007 16:40:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.241) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2007 16:40:53 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n26.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2007 16:40:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2007 16:40:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2007 16:40:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 16:40:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.241 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.167.105.218 From: "koolstuff_69" Subject: full time iboc for AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=268021812; y=6gxJWINBo8QW_UP1AJPDZxLYTdm_PpuLJXorNW68BktsgdXde56H X-Yahoo-Profile: koolstuff_69 i read somewhere that when AM HD goes full time that Cquam stereo broadcasting will need to stop... it doest sound right but just woundering... From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Jun 07 19:21:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92925 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2007 02:08:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2007 02:08:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2007 02:08:55 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.100]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 181770237-1881964 for ; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:07:08 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <008801c7a972$42c94100$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 21:10:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 8, in=7, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.100 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} full time iboc for AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=g8FLO7bHvu0PYvfKHvMemhMdUBxnVY81yfIn8NYDHd57flap7fb9 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude For the few stations that are running HD day and CQUAM at night, yes they will have to cease as the two are incompatible. However analog stereo stations that have not gone HD can continue. It won't be until the FCC mandates all digital operation that CQUAM goes away entirely except for those of us with low power units to demonstrate the old technology. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "koolstuff_69" > i read somewhere that when AM HD goes full time that Cquam stereo > broadcasting will need to stop... it doest sound right but just > woundering... From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Jun 07 22:28:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70830 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2007 05:28:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2007 05:28:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.125) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2007 05:28:33 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2007 05:28:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2007 05:28:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2007 05:28:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 05:28:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008801c7a972$42c94100$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.125 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.120 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} full time iboc for AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=05a4Xtfy9-7YQhc0LRSJWQq9HfKCOebSx5i5U6W2gB7dGiYcZg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > For the few stations that are running HD day and CQUAM at night,=20 yes they > will have to cease as the two are incompatible. However analog=20 stereo > stations that have not gone HD can continue. It won't be until=20 the FCC > mandates all digital operation that CQUAM goes away entirely=20 except for > those of us with low power units to demonstrate the old technology. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "koolstuff_69" >=20 > > i read somewhere that when AM HD goes full time that Cquam stereo > > broadcasting will need to stop... it doest sound right but just > > woundering... > Hi Gang!!! It sounds to me like a tame lamb driven to the slaughterhouse. Or a=20 very fat and smiling pig, with a very nice apple in his mouth, going=20 directly to the oven door!!! I'm not sure if it would be legally right, but I'm sure it isn't=20 technically right. Why? Well, let's suppose a magic action and, from the night to the day,=20 all the USA AM broadcasters receive a one million US dollars gift.=20 So all of them can change all their equipment to transmit full time=20 with... IBOC. Great? NO!!!!!! because I bet about, in a month or two, all of them would=20 be thinking: "Why did I changed my old system?" They'll have a lot of problems with the adjacent channels, a lesser=20 coverage area, they'll need a lot of more power to get the same they=20 got with the old analog system, the bill will be greater, etc. etc.=20 etc. AND... I bet the listener won't go back because I guess the=20 broadcasters will continue with the very tedious news/talk/sport=20 format. I'm sure the IBOC system (or DRM) will be a very bad memory in a few=20 years and, maybe, it will be remembered as the technique who killed=20 the AM definitively. It's ironic to think about a very good idea: "to try to save the=20 AM", but with a very bad research (because the problem wasn't the AM=20 technical system itself, I insist it was/is a "program format"=20 problem, all the time). Of course, If I would receive one million dollar as a gift... I'm=20 not sure if I would continue with some radio, HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Jun 08 05:50:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17563 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2007 12:50:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2007 12:50:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.22) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2007 12:50:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2007 12:48:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2007 12:48:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 12:48:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 142.176.20.3 From: "Phil" Subject: MW IBOC at night start date? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723; y=_duJ0jcfbC1EoG2zEY9HAxmaQP8GcELkLNm8xrSx2PKI657AojJg X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Does anyone know the earliest date when MW IBOC at night can start?=20=20 Having read the latest FCC order [late May] my mind is in a fog and=20 every time I look at that order I need Tylenol? Phil VY2PR PEI Canada From jimsmith@vfr.net Fri Jun 08 08:39:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39132 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2007 15:39:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2007 15:39:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.131) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2007 15:39:01 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2007 15:38:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2007 15:38:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2007 15:38:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 15:38:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.49.175 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: MW IBOC at night start date? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=WHrxHcKFayfIQxV6EFIQdVsNm7LCBTPMZrfBp3JwWEFgGdpr2Ee6gA X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil" wrote: > > Does anyone know the earliest date when MW IBOC at night can start?=20=20 > Having read the latest FCC order [late May] my mind is in a fog and=20 > every time I look at that order I need Tylenol? >=20 > Phil VY2PR > PEI Canada > Hi Well i have one in my area and its called KIDD AM 1470 HD=20 Sacramento Ca " RADIO DISNEY" and the day FCC said yes to night time AM=20 HD they turned it on. Jim Smith From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Jun 08 10:28:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23840 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2007 17:28:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2007 17:28:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2007 17:28:54 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.42]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 178718503-1881964 for ; Fri, 08 Jun 2007 12:28:47 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <003a01c7a9f3$044498e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 12:32:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=2, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.42 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: MW IBOC at night start date? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=hNcLUcRQK3KfvHhF-fpb43W9FqoqLgk2OOA5_OS7qOtITmmr-i0n X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Then they're in violation. It doesn't go into effect until 30 days after it's published in the Federal Register. AFAIK it hasn't been published there, though probably will be by the end of the month. Therefore we'll get to hear what KT refers to as the Ibocalypse probably by the end of July. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimsmith95663" > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil" wrote: > > > > Does anyone know the earliest date when MW IBOC at night can start? > > Having read the latest FCC order [late May] my mind is in a fog and > > every time I look at that order I need Tylenol? > > > > Phil VY2PR > > PEI Canada > > > Hi Well i have one in my area and its called KIDD AM 1470 HD > Sacramento Ca " RADIO DISNEY" and the day FCC said yes to night time AM > HD they turned it on. Jim Smith From wa2fnq@optonline.net Sat Jun 09 10:45:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69341 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2007 17:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2007 17:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2007 17:45:28 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2007 17:43:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2007 17:43:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 17:42:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003a01c7a9f3$044498e0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: {AMSF} Re: MW IBOC at night start date? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=8tdesiPHD4VGqrxcu5yR70CQwVL2vzoEQezhyyWMrrDT X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Geeze, I can hardly wait. Once the band gets trashed really good and=20 all the AM stations go out of business then maybe we can put=20 something useful on those frequencies. Like expanding the 160 meter=20 Ham band to 530 Khz. Just kidding. But I'd like that!! Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > Then they're in violation. It doesn't go into effect until 30=20 days after > it's published in the Federal Register. AFAIK it hasn't been=20 published > there, though probably will be by the end of the month. Therefore=20 we'll get > to hear what KT refers to as the Ibocalypse probably by the end of=20 July. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Jun 09 11:38:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43538 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2007 18:38:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2007 18:38:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s10.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.82) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2007 18:38:55 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.115]) by bay0-omc1-s10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sat, 9 Jun 2007 11:38:30 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 11:38:30 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 09 Jun 2007 18:38:24 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 18:38:24 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2007 18:38:30.0219 (UTC) FILETIME=[602D01B0:01C7AAC5] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: MW IBOC at night start date? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=Tfd4AXo6INDcMyqImcTwq8R-2fghyUKNEqAJKOm2p8JdSETyd9IP1_aPn6U X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Not to worry,(ref to additional night time interference from IBOC); the FCC let Ibiquity and the NAB conduct their own (I'm sure it was unbiased!) tests on night time IBOC and the FCC concluded (from FCC docket number 99-325) might become a minor nuisance and nothing more! The FCC summary on the subject: 1. On balance, we find that the benefits of full-time IBOC operation by AM stations outweigh the slightly increased risk of interference. The studies performed by iBiquity and analyzed by NAB indicate that the greatest potential for interference occurs at the extremities of the nighttime coverage area of the desired station, primarily at locations where substantial interference from existing analog operations is already present. We do not anticipate increased interference within AM stations' core service areas. Furthermore, the interference management procedures established in the DAB R&O provide a mechanism whereby particular instances of interference can be readily resolved. Therefore, we will extend the permissible hours of IBOC interim operation for AM stations to include all hours during which a given station is currently authorized for analog operation, subject to the notification procedures established in the DAB R&O. In order to avoid unnecessary and repetitious notifications, we will not require those AM stations which have already notified the Commission of the commencement of daytime IBOC operation to file any further notification; authority for nighttime IBOC operation is automatically conferred upon those stations by the action taken herein. AM stations which file IBOC notifications with the Commission after the effective date of this Second Report and Order will be presumed to have commenced IBOC operation for all hours of currently authorized analog operation, unless the notification states otherwise. We note that many Class D AM stations are authorized for nighttime secondary operation[1] with extremely low operating power, in some cases as low as one watt. In some cases, nighttime IBOC power may be so low as to render IBOC operation technically infeasible. We remind licensees that nighttime secondary analog operation by Class D AM stations does not carry any minimum operating schedule requirement, and that interim IBOC operation is entirely voluntary for all stations at the present time. [1] Nighttime secondary operation for an AM station is operation with power less than 250 watts and antenna efficiency less than 241 millivolts per meter at one kilometer for one kilowatt input. See 47 C.F.R. §§ 73.21(a)(3) and 73.182(a)(4). btw- what my search of the Federal Register, I can't find that this travesty has been published in the Federal Register yet. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Jun 10 11:07:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40335 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2007 18:07:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2007 18:07:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.158) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2007 18:07:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 75202 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jun 2007 17:54:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: vhWWQO4VM1lG7miWyjTYHwmF6WdqKXam0n3uFozbo5TOqS5GtWjYorja3tft1TIAysHDXpT2MM94aldk7DdSFKGrhNi_pWc2b6Fj48nDmyZ0AZ3iFVZW2_A3Tw-- Received: from [72.241.129.52] by web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 10:54:04 PDT Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 10:54:04 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <893116.73242.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: MW IBOC at night start date? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=RWH0gPekJOFkHF-UL0BIpn-Yl6whMhCt1tBzDaI6WEH6l06nGtsfY1w X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio ..."We note that many Class D AM stations are authorized for nighttime secondary operation[1] with extremely low operating power, in some cases as low as one watt. In some cases, nighttime IBOC power may be so low as to render IBOC operation technically infeasible." So, in other words, run CQuam at night! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Jun 13 23:32:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 197 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2007 06:32:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2007 06:32:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2007 06:32:04 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2007 06:31:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2007 06:31:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2007 06:31:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 06:31:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.57 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Digital Radio International Forum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=VOHwp23ch5YNK-J14qFO5WuzYJPKaGqTRrg4jh9Iflr8aeh-Yw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI GANG!!! I wanna know if somebody in the forum knew about the Digital Radio=20 International Forum in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic. That forum was scheduled to yesterday and today (June 13 and 14, 2007)=20 but I can't find any about it in the web. If somebody get to know something, please, let me know, ok? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From bluegto@bellsouth.net Thu Jun 14 06:03:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: bluegto@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20410 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2007 13:03:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2007 13:03:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.163) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2007 13:03:27 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n6.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2007 13:03:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2007 13:03:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2007 13:03:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:03:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.167.105.218 From: "koolstuff_69" Subject: HD AM IS NOT going to help the AM BAND X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=268021812; y=GSUM96eUHjrTY1euvTDPWj_ybXc3o_f7URoYthWATKR1HysQxxJY X-Yahoo-Profile: koolstuff_69 hi, i was reading on another site which the engineer from WOR who has worked with the IBOC people reguarding AM and WOR. in his responses to the q/a thread one question was asked about music on AM HD and his response was that it would only be good for just a talk format or sports and not music because of the band with. i don't see very much progres with this technology and the fact that a class D station souldn't even bother with adding IBOC. From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Jun 14 17:48:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21911 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2007 00:48:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2007 00:48:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao102.cox.net) (68.230.241.44) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2007 00:48:13 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070615004649.LDOE3133.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:46:49 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.4.50.99]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id Bcmo1X00528Qjxw0000000; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:46:48 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:46:46 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM IS NOT going to help the AM BAND X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=Quc01xu-q2gPWT6VAIZd7Ovf1mTbiqgT8eXxXuspQPxhHjkiMonWWAiSKQXt X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you have the link? I doubt Tom would say that. music on AM HD sounds great when done (processed) right. On Jun 14, 2007, at 6:03 AM, koolstuff_69 wrote: > hi, > i was reading on another site which the engineer from WOR who has > worked > with the IBOC people reguarding AM and WOR. in his responses to the > q/a thread one question was asked about music on AM HD and his > response > was that it would only be good for just a talk format or sports and > not > music because of the band with. i don't see very much progres with > this technology and the fact that a class D station souldn't even > bother with adding IBOC. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Jun 14 22:42:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9491 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2007 05:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2007 05:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.213) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2007 05:42:07 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2007 05:42:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2007 05:42:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2007 05:42:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 05:42:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.9 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM IS NOT going to help the AM BAND X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=6S16cPj4rnSbLe2qnm0FURS8NbxFfARgEXTZN7Qx7UZg5KYbnQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner =20 wrote: > > Do you have the link? I doubt Tom would say that. music on AM HD=20=20 > sounds great when done (processed) right. >=20 > On Jun 14, 2007, at 6:03 AM, koolstuff_69 wrote: >=20 > > hi, > > i was reading on another site which the engineer from WOR who=20 has=20=20 > > worked > > with the IBOC people reguarding AM and WOR. in his responses to=20 the > > q/a thread one question was asked about music on AM HD and his=20=20 > > response > > was that it would only be good for just a talk format or sports=20 and=20=20 > > not > > music because of the band with. i don't see very much progres=20 with > > this technology and the fact that a class D station souldn't even > > bother with adding IBOC. > > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > HI GANG!!! Richard, I don't wanna "fight" with you but... please: 1) IBOC promised a very close HI-FI sound, near to the today analog=20 FM... FALSE!!! The only one real advance, comparing with the analog=20 AMAX, mono or stereo, is just a few decibels more above 7 kHz, BUT=20 WITH A TERRIBLE TYPICAL MP3 TREBLE ARTIFACTS. 2) IBOC promised a real non distorted sound... FALSE!!! The MP3=20 artifacts ARE a very high distorted signal. 3) IBOC promised a real non fading effect... FALSE!!! If you get a=20 weak signal, with the typical analog fading effect, and you tune it=20 with your new digital tuner, you don't get "fading", you get...=20 NOTHING, because the tuner change to analog when it can't decode the=20 digital stream. 4) IBOC promised an absolute NON noise signal... FALSE!!! They=20 couldn't promise it any way because the background noise of any AM=20 signal depends of the original media. If the station has a noisy=20 tape, or CD, that noise will pass the processor, the digital encoder=20 and the TX. So, IBOC can't solve that problem. Four lies, four broken dreams. CAN YOU TELL US THIS IS A VERY GOOD "HELPING HAND" TO THE AM BAND? I don't think so. I think the only way to save the AM band is to change the mind of=20 the AM station's owners and to get a revival of the very good and=20 precious times when we got beautiful music FROM the AM band, any=20 time. Of course, if we get a new AM Stereo age, with the old but very,=20 very good ISB system (despite the FCC idiots say), it would be a=20 perfect time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Jun 15 01:04:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99548 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2007 08:04:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2007 08:04:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao102.cox.net) (68.230.241.44) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2007 08:04:12 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070615080320.QYGX3133.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 04:03:20 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.4.50.99]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id Bk3L1X00628Qjxw0000000; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 04:03:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <29E1C132-A4FB-4E69-AF17-8389B34B13D8@cox.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:03:19 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM IS NOT going to help the AM BAND X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=RqOCKLrAxbfrl8PxtxYAXsUgHEFEoR6s8gzMegfeVDVsoQGEcIq_7GRhcoc_ X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jun 14, 2007, at 10:42 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > 1) IBOC promised a very close HI-FI sound, near to the today analog > FM... FALSE!!! The only one real advance, comparing with the analog > AMAX, mono or stereo, is just a few decibels more above 7 kHz, BUT > WITH A TERRIBLE TYPICAL MP3 TREBLE ARTIFACTS. You've obviously never heard it. It is FAR above 7 kHz. It is full fidelity stereo. In demos I've done, people cannot distinguish KDIS AM HD from analog KIIS-FM in Los Angeles. KDIS sounds GOOD. Better than most analog AM stereo stations ever sounded. > > 2) IBOC promised a real non distorted sound... FALSE!!! The MP3 > artifacts ARE a very high distorted signal. Again, you've obviously never heard it. Besides, it is not MP3. > > 3) IBOC promised a real non fading effect... FALSE!!! If you get a > weak signal, with the typical analog fading effect, and you tune it > with your new digital tuner, you don't get "fading", you get... > NOTHING, because the tuner change to analog when it can't decode the > digital stream. Not tested yet, as nighttime AM HD isn't on the air yet. I can tell you that you'd have SOMETHING, as the dropback to analog would still be there. > > 4) IBOC promised an absolute NON noise signal... FALSE!!! They > couldn't promise it any way because the background noise of any AM > signal depends of the original media. If the station has a noisy > tape, or CD, that noise will pass the processor, the digital encoder > and the TX. So, IBOC can't solve that problem. Non-transmitter noise; non-atmospheric noise. That's all it can do anything about, you are right. In the US, most stations use full digital playback, though, so hiss is not an issue, though. > > > CAN YOU TELL US THIS IS A VERY GOOD "HELPING HAND" TO THE AM BAND? Yes. I can. I've heard it for myself, and I liked my first radio enough that I bought a second. I now don't listen to AM at home unless I am listening to HD. In the car, I only listen to KFI (ironically not HD, but it is the only non-HD station I listen to). I don't know how interference will be handled, nor how problematic it will be when night HD use is authorized. But I was once convinced that it would sound awful (from samples I heard on the internet as well as statements made on this list) and have totally changed my mind. > > I think the only way to save the AM band is to change the mind of > the AM station's owners and to get a revival of the very good and > precious times when we got beautiful music FROM the AM band, any > time. > > Of course, if we get a new AM Stereo age, with the old but very, > very good ISB system (despite the FCC idiots say), it would be a > perfect time!!! I don't know why people think analog AM stereo was so perfect. The vast majority of AM stereo radios sounded awful. Narrowband stereo ... same static, only in stereo. There were few good AM stereo tuners made, and I happen to own one of them, the Carver tx-11b. It sounded great when AM stations broadcast to 15 kHz at the high end. It sounded better than the Denon "Super Tuner" TU680NAB even when the high end was cut to 10kHz. But it cost $700 over ten (fifteen?) years ago. The Sangean HDT-1 sounds better on HD AM than analog stereo ever sounded, and it costs $160 today. I used to have to adjust antennas, adjust controls, and I would still have problems getting a nice clean signal in my house or in my old S-10 with the Delco AM stereo radio. With the Sangean I get good sound easily, with the antenna supplied with the unit. No, long distance doesn't come in very well (seems to max out at about 130 miles), but DX AM stereo was filled with static anyway. Don't get me wrong. I love analog AM stereo when done right. But it was so rarely done right, and there are no tuners widely available in the US. The Sangean is available at Amazon, If nighttime HD does indeed work without many problems, I now believe that HD will help save AM ... at least if we get some decent programming. Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Jun 15 03:21:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24604 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2007 10:16:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2007 10:16:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.39) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2007 10:16:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 3955 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jun 2007 09:42:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .3fIgz0VM1keKoastibVncxNB2j37whyThfKHqurE_mnU80VHztwZbkuuycqQUyIJziSR1wbNfOkXpRyux8peIpDyiT9ZBjgO1YyQLibY1N9KOL9UMKaFZk- Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 02:42:34 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 02:42:34 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <29E1C132-A4FB-4E69-AF17-8389B34B13D8@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <610637.97361.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM IS NOT going to help the AM BAND X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=hd6JgMqLfkTiVQ8WshFS9ldLg95MK4VrGrPzF2oGKsCb8YyeymzE X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke None of this means anything though if they can't make a radio that will pick the stuff up i.e.- bad crap ive read on here by posters concerning that Radio Shack radio and some of the others. Also there has to be more than a handful of radios that have HD. Another thing is market penetration, more stations on HD. None of this seems to be happening at this point. How many of the AM HD stations even broadcast in Stereo? That would be a nice selling factor if they did actually broadcast in full fidelity stereo. Now if you want to hear a great sounding AM Stereo station look no further than WNMB in Myrtle Beach SC! Go Bill!! Seriously though there does need to be more HD radios made and sold. More importantly the quality control issues need to be addressed or the public simply wont buy it. They don't seem to be buying it now. Theres nowhere near enough education on the product. I hear radio stations here claiming "full digital stereo broadcast" but what they fail to say is "if you have an HD radio". They never say that. They always say "broadcasting in full HD digital stereo". Now the average joe listener is just going to ignore that unless they push the fact that you have to have an HD radio to actually receive that so called full digital stereo. Another thing is it needs to sound better than analog FM stereo. As it stands now FM analog stereo doesn't sound that bad if you have a good signal. At least in my area the stations here all have good signals and good processing. That is they all sound pretty damn good. A couple may have better high end than others but overall pretty good quality. I mean come on it's radio. If a person is going for the best quality they are going to rely on their CD's, DVD-A, or SACD's. Of course analog pureists will argue that those aren't as good as trustly old records! I won't argue that because I don't want to hear clicks and pops. I do think Vocals sound particularly good on vinyl, better than CD's but thats all. Overall CD's are much better in my opinion. I believe HD will help the AM band only if it's available in FM quality stereo and if it's included on ALL radio receivers be it car radios, stereo receivers, or small radios. It has to penetrate the market. I don't think however that analog signals should ever be turned off in our lifetimes. It would cause so much equipment to become useless overnight thus making a large trash problem from all the people throwing them away who aren't collectors. Enough of my ramblings but those are my ideas. I say if HD doesn't penetrate the market heavy in the next 5 years just hang HD up and get with the program of producing quality sound with the technology we have and it can be done. The real fact though is that if you don't have programming that people are willing to listen to you can forget sound quality! -Kevin --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > > On Jun 14, 2007, at 10:42 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > > > 1) IBOC promised a very close HI-FI sound, near to > the today analog > > FM... FALSE!!! The only one real advance, > comparing with the analog > > AMAX, mono or stereo, is just a few decibels more > above 7 kHz, BUT > > WITH A TERRIBLE TYPICAL MP3 TREBLE ARTIFACTS. > > You've obviously never heard it. It is FAR above 7 > kHz. It is full > fidelity stereo. In demos I've done, people cannot > distinguish KDIS > AM HD from analog KIIS-FM in Los Angeles. KDIS > sounds GOOD. Better > than most analog AM stereo stations ever sounded. > > > > > 2) IBOC promised a real non distorted sound... > FALSE!!! The MP3 > > artifacts ARE a very high distorted signal. > > Again, you've obviously never heard it. Besides, it > is not MP3. > > > > 3) IBOC promised a real non fading effect... > FALSE!!! If you get a > > weak signal, with the typical analog fading > effect, and you tune it > > with your new digital tuner, you don't get > "fading", you get... > > NOTHING, because the tuner change to analog when > it can't decode the > > digital stream. > > Not tested yet, as nighttime AM HD isn't on the air > yet. I can tell > you that you'd have SOMETHING, as the dropback to > analog would still > be there. > > > > > 4) IBOC promised an absolute NON noise signal... > FALSE!!! They > > couldn't promise it any way because the background > noise of any AM > > signal depends of the original media. If the > station has a noisy > > tape, or CD, that noise will pass the processor, > the digital encoder > > and the TX. So, IBOC can't solve that problem. > > Non-transmitter noise; non-atmospheric noise. That's > all it can do > anything about, you are right. In the US, most > stations use full > digital playback, though, so hiss is not an issue, > though. > > > > > > > > CAN YOU TELL US THIS IS A VERY GOOD "HELPING HAND" > TO THE AM BAND? > > Yes. I can. I've heard it for myself, and I liked > my first radio > enough that I bought a second. I now don't listen to > AM at home > unless I am listening to HD. In the car, I only > listen to KFI > (ironically not HD, but it is the only non-HD > station I listen to). I > don't know how interference will be handled, nor how > problematic it > will be when night HD use is authorized. But I was > once convinced > that it would sound awful (from samples I heard on > the internet as > well as statements made on this list) and have > totally changed my mind. > > > > > I think the only way to save the AM band is to > change the mind of > > the AM station's owners and to get a revival of > the very good and > > precious times when we got beautiful music FROM > the AM band, any > > time. > > > > Of course, if we get a new AM Stereo age, with the > old but very, > > very good ISB system (despite the FCC idiots say), > it would be a > > perfect time!!! > > I don't know why people think analog AM stereo was > so perfect. The > vast majority of AM stereo radios sounded awful. > Narrowband > stereo ... same static, only in stereo. There were > few good AM stereo > tuners made, and I happen to own one of them, the > Carver tx-11b. It > sounded great when AM stations broadcast to 15 kHz > at the high end. > It sounded better than the Denon "Super Tuner" > TU680NAB even when the > high end was cut to 10kHz. But it cost $700 over ten > (fifteen?) years > ago. The Sangean HDT-1 sounds better on HD AM than > analog stereo ever > sounded, and it costs $160 today. > > I used to have to adjust antennas, adjust controls, > and I would still > have problems getting a nice clean signal in my > house or in my old > S-10 with the Delco AM stereo radio. With the > Sangean I get good > sound easily, with the antenna supplied with the > unit. No, long > distance doesn't come in very well (seems to max out > at about 130 > miles), but DX AM stereo was filled with static > anyway. > > Don't get me wrong. I love analog AM stereo when > done right. But it > was so rarely done right, and there are no tuners > widely available in > the US. The Sangean is available at Amazon, If > nighttime HD does > indeed work without many problems, I now believe > that HD will help > save AM ... at least if we get some decent > programming. > > Richard > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php From starship_2001@msn.com Fri Jun 15 03:56:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57472 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2007 10:56:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2007 10:56:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s14.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.150) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2007 10:56:51 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.136.11]) by bay0-omc2-s14.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 15 Jun 2007 03:55:15 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 03:55:15 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.6 by BAY131-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:55:14 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:55:14 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2007 10:55:15.0415 (UTC) FILETIME=[A7A8FE70:01C7AF3B] Return-Path: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM IS NOT going to help the AM BAND X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=8MeizJ4j-g-sTqLmAiOBMUBw7u9og7DHoZQ1P6hy5WM4JYXnIocmZG4EzA X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where are the portable radios that can take batteries ??? Where are walkman type radios ??? As of right now its bolted to the car dash board or chained to a plug in the house or office. I wont bother going into coverage area VS analog. Just one more thing compare "HD" to an AM Analog station using full bandwidth allowed IBOC and running C-Quam and sound sources set up ideal and then lets see what sounds better on a good vintage AM stereo receiver. Off course HD would sound better with the crappy analog AM radios on the market today and the crappy bandwidth of the NRSC allows. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Wagoner Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 4:03 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM IS NOT going to help the AM BAND On Jun 14, 2007, at 10:42 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > 1) IBOC promised a very close HI-FI sound, near to the today analog > FM... FALSE!!! The only one real advance, comparing with the analog > AMAX, mono or stereo, is just a few decibels more above 7 kHz, BUT > WITH A TERRIBLE TYPICAL MP3 TREBLE ARTIFACTS. You've obviously never heard it. It is FAR above 7 kHz. It is full fidelity stereo. In demos I've done, people cannot distinguish KDIS AM HD from analog KIIS-FM in Los Angeles. KDIS sounds GOOD. Better than most analog AM stereo stations ever sounded. > > 2) IBOC promised a real non distorted sound... FALSE!!! The MP3 > artifacts ARE a very high distorted signal. Again, you've obviously never heard it. Besides, it is not MP3. > > 3) IBOC promised a real non fading effect... FALSE!!! If you get a > weak signal, with the typical analog fading effect, and you tune it > with your new digital tuner, you don't get "fading", you get... > NOTHING, because the tuner change to analog when it can't decode the > digital stream. Not tested yet, as nighttime AM HD isn't on the air yet. I can tell you that you'd have SOMETHING, as the dropback to analog would still be there. > > 4) IBOC promised an absolute NON noise signal... FALSE!!! They > couldn't promise it any way because the background noise of any AM > signal depends of the original media. If the station has a noisy > tape, or CD, that noise will pass the processor, the digital encoder > and the TX. So, IBOC can't solve that problem. Non-transmitter noise; non-atmospheric noise. That's all it can do anything about, you are right. In the US, most stations use full digital playback, though, so hiss is not an issue, though. > > > CAN YOU TELL US THIS IS A VERY GOOD "HELPING HAND" TO THE AM BAND? Yes. I can. I've heard it for myself, and I liked my first radio enough that I bought a second. I now don't listen to AM at home unless I am listening to HD. In the car, I only listen to KFI (ironically not HD, but it is the only non-HD station I listen to). I don't know how interference will be handled, nor how problematic it will be when night HD use is authorized. But I was once convinced that it would sound awful (from samples I heard on the internet as well as statements made on this list) and have totally changed my mind. > > I think the only way to save the AM band is to change the mind of > the AM station's owners and to get a revival of the very good and > precious times when we got beautiful music FROM the AM band, any > time. > > Of course, if we get a new AM Stereo age, with the old but very, > very good ISB system (despite the FCC idiots say), it would be a > perfect time!!! I don't know why people think analog AM stereo was so perfect. The vast majority of AM stereo radios sounded awful. Narrowband stereo ... same static, only in stereo. There were few good AM stereo tuners made, and I happen to own one of them, the Carver tx-11b. It sounded great when AM stations broadcast to 15 kHz at the high end. It sounded better than the Denon "Super Tuner" TU680NAB even when the high end was cut to 10kHz. But it cost $700 over ten (fifteen?) years ago. The Sangean HDT-1 sounds better on HD AM than analog stereo ever sounded, and it costs $160 today. I used to have to adjust antennas, adjust controls, and I would still have problems getting a nice clean signal in my house or in my old S-10 with the Delco AM stereo radio. With the Sangean I get good sound easily, with the antenna supplied with the unit. No, long distance doesn't come in very well (seems to max out at about 130 miles), but DX AM stereo was filled with static anyway. Don't get me wrong. I love analog AM stereo when done right. But it was so rarely done right, and there are no tuners widely available in the US. The Sangean is available at Amazon, If nighttime HD does indeed work without many problems, I now believe that HD will help save AM ... at least if we get some decent programming. Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jun 15 06:01:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41039 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2007 13:01:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2007 13:01:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2007 13:01:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 39674 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jun 2007 12:59:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zozQ5H4VM1l_VNVgvIUyUhxelJY4GST7_p2DytrRLlUSxFRAi4TJdZHmyhp_EJxBUsjkQIIjuW_Lqo2ABHTUeuN1y6pubrbEqVEsWZknAALYt6ykKrvxuceOaw-- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 05:59:59 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 05:59:59 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <469150.39663.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Why I'm Going to sell my HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=ZQiuVhlAVh3iNF5mJX_tfvOoRvPJGgDrNrQcq1MScOVkzrwfhybjx3w X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I been using the Directed Electronics HD Tuner Add-On unit for 15 days now, and I am very disappointed and going to remove it. Here's some reasons why: I contacted our local 5KW HD-AM station engineer and asked why he isn't using stereo for his spots and liners - he said he tried it once, didn't like it, and turned it off; but he also admitted that he did NOT get an ORDER from 'above' to shut-off the stereo on AM like he did with C-Quam (you can probably guess the owner of that station). IF HD on AM covered the same, or close to the same coverage area, it could be considered an improvement, but unlike C-Quam, HD does NOT cover nearly the same area as clean analog AM coverage. Of the 4 Detroit 50KW stations that I receive decently in analog (2 of which were 'full-quality CQUAM'), only ONE has better than 40% reliable HD coverage! The Radio Disney station has never come in for even one whole song yet, so I cannot comment on music quality yet, after two weeks! IF they were to increase the digital level to improve coverage area on AM, it would even further destroy the adjacents. It is clear to me now that AM should have been given a new VHF frequency band, and only the 50KW clear channels should be left on the AM band, in CQuam stereo, and whomever else wants to hang around. I still do not like the hissy "S" sounds on the two AM HD stations that I can hear. FM audio in digital is OKAY; NOT CD quality, and not quite as good as a well-processed FM station - it still sounds 'digital', like satellite radio, and doesn't sound as 'rich' as I would like it to. It is acceptable quality, but then again, it doesn't cover as large of an area as the analog does, at least not here. In 'bad' signal areas where you get a little noise in analog, it drops the HD, so you still have crappy reception there, so the digital does NOT make it as robust as analog. The three formats on the 3 stations with HD-2 on FM are such crap formats that I never listen to them (dance/rap, women's talk, AAA rock), so that is not a selling point. I would be happier with an old 1960's beautiful music format on HD2 that any of this stuff. AM sensitivity and bandwidth on analog AM is much less than my Chrysler RAZ radio, so the HD is coming-out this weekend. It would appear that only 100% digital is going to make any difference at all, and THEN, they can TURN-OFF your radio unless you buy a subscription, as digital can be tagged as paying or non-paying, just like satrad. Pay radio must be their goal, as HD doesn't make any sense to me otherwise. 73's John ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jun 15 07:22:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67928 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2007 14:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2007 14:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2007 14:22:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 39492 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jun 2007 14:21:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ys5pMRcVM1lut7Z6djPLwdzusV0R6pSVjNSRNQAavqKssIu_ubf8D76eAD0R3ou1ot0qP1bXbA-- Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:21:07 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:21:07 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <469150.39663.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <170806.38516.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why I'm Going to sell my HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=h59oRlLsgcoioLWhNIUCLoXM-O4CCXM3D1BirjQ85Eg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "John P." wrote: > I been using the Directed Electronics HD Tuner > Add-On unit for 15 days > now, and I am very disappointed and going to remove > it. Here's some > reasons why: > > I contacted our local 5KW HD-AM station engineer and > asked why he isn't > using stereo for his spots and liners - he said he > tried it once, > didn't like it, and turned it off; but he also > admitted that he did NOT > get an ORDER from 'above' to shut-off the stereo on > AM like he did with > C-Quam (you can probably guess the owner of that > station). > > IF HD on AM covered the same, or close to the same > coverage area, it > could be considered an improvement, but unlike > C-Quam, HD does NOT > cover nearly the same area as clean analog AM > coverage. Because the power is a FRACTION of the analog. I'd like to see some full power digital only stuff and also at night. > IF they were to increase the digital level to > improve coverage area on > AM, it would even further destroy the adjacents. It > is clear to me now > that AM should have been given a new VHF frequency > band, and only the > 50KW clear channels should be left on the AM band, > in CQuam stereo, and > whomever else wants to hang around. It will not happen. > I still do not like the hissy "S" sounds on the two > AM HD stations that > I can hear. > > FM audio in digital is OKAY; NOT CD quality, and not > quite as good as a > well-processed FM station I have not found any well processed FM's in my market. Well, I take that back. When a friend of mine set up the Omnia for their IBOC, he did a stellar job of setting up the analog processing. As for secondary formats just the same old stuff rehashed. GRRRR! Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Jun 15 07:33:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11916 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2007 14:33:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2007 14:33:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao105.cox.net) (68.230.241.41) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2007 14:33:29 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070615143201.PVPD6565.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:32:01 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.4.50.99]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id BqY11X00P28Qjxw0000000; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:32:01 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <610637.97361.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <610637.97361.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <2CE9030B-7E60-4DA8-8EED-A9046CF1B400@cox.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:31:58 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM IS NOT going to help the AM BAND X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=qzDLW-SIWnLNVL47Wg5GUXfTpv2t0Eo_BzzLO1I_TTRSopzHXn_NMISiql9Y X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 100 percent agreement. Richard Wagoner On Jun 15, 2007, at 2:42 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > None of this means anything though if they can't make > a radio that will pick the stuff up i.e.- bad crap ive > read on here by posters concerning that Radio Shack > radio and some of the others. Also there has to be > more than a handful of radios that have HD. Another > thing is market penetration, more stations on HD. > None of this seems to be happening at this point. How > many of the AM HD stations even broadcast in Stereo? > That would be a nice selling factor if they did > actually broadcast in full fidelity stereo. Now if > you want to hear a great sounding AM Stereo station > look no further than WNMB in Myrtle Beach SC! Go > Bill!! Seriously though there does need to be more HD > radios made and sold. More importantly the quality > control issues need to be addressed or the public > simply wont buy it. They don't seem to be buying it > now. Theres nowhere near enough education on the > product. I hear radio stations here claiming "full > digital stereo broadcast" but what they fail to say is > "if you have an HD radio". They never say that. They > always say "broadcasting in full HD digital stereo". > Now the average joe listener is just going to ignore > that unless they push the fact that you have to have > an HD radio to actually receive that so called full > digital stereo. Another thing is it needs to sound > better than analog FM stereo. As it stands now FM > analog stereo doesn't sound that bad if you have a > good signal. At least in my area the stations here > all have good signals and good processing. That is > they all sound pretty damn good. A couple may have > better high end than others but overall pretty good > quality. I mean come on it's radio. If a person is > going for the best quality they are going to rely on > their CD's, DVD-A, or SACD's. Of course analog > pureists will argue that those aren't as good as > trustly old records! I won't argue that because I > don't want to hear clicks and pops. I do think Vocals > sound particularly good on vinyl, better than CD's but > thats all. Overall CD's are much better in my > opinion. I believe HD will help the AM band only if > it's available in FM quality stereo and if it's > included on ALL radio receivers be it car radios, > stereo receivers, or small radios. It has to > penetrate the market. I don't think however that > analog signals should ever be turned off in our > lifetimes. It would cause so much equipment to become > useless overnight thus making a large trash problem > from all the people throwing them away who aren't > collectors. Enough of my ramblings but those are my > ideas. I say if HD doesn't penetrate the market heavy > in the next 5 years just hang HD up and get with the > program of producing quality sound with the technology > we have and it can be done. The real fact though is > that if you don't have programming that people are > willing to listen to you can forget sound quality! > > -Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Fri Jun 15 08:18:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6499 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2007 15:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2007 15:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.60) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2007 15:18:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2007 15:18:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2007 15:18:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:18:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: HD AM IS NOT going to help the AM BAND X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=clwFsFwt_jOtdMZA-pfPXyZgwzMaqeF8NF7kVD5qBxOjas5e X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray I'd like to know where I was quoted as saying this. I have NEVER=20 said this. I am on record - in print - as stating that we may see=20 music stations returning to the AM band with HD. In initial testing=20 we did, I am also on record as stating there were some issues with=20 the original codec, and that there were problems with music, such as=20 channel bleedover and distortion with single channel audio. You=20 have read something that was taken out of context and distorted. Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "koolstuff_69" =20 wrote: > > hi, > i was reading on another site which the engineer from WOR who has=20 worked > with the IBOC people reguarding AM and WOR. in his responses to the > q/a thread one question was asked about music on AM HD and his=20 response > was that it would only be good for just a talk format or sports=20 and not > music because of the band with. i don't see very much progres with > this technology and the fact that a class D station souldn't even > bother with adding IBOC. > From tomray@wor710.com Fri Jun 15 08:21:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87451 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2007 15:21:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2007 15:21:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2007 15:21:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2007 15:18:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2007 15:18:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:18:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: HD AM IS NOT going to help the AM BAND X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=Ysfj8votNN8j4uGuuIpJF2abZRKrJDOJKwjJ6w_zpwU-FH9y X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray I'd like to know where I was quoted as saying this. I have NEVER=20 said this. I am on record - in print - as stating that we may see=20 music stations returning to the AM band with HD. In initial testing=20 we did, I am also on record as stating there were some issues with=20 the original codec, and that there were problems with music, such as=20 channel bleedover and distortion with single channel audio. You=20 have read something that was taken out of context and distorted. Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "koolstuff_69" =20 wrote: > > hi, > i was reading on another site which the engineer from WOR who has=20 worked > with the IBOC people reguarding AM and WOR. in his responses to the > q/a thread one question was asked about music on AM HD and his=20 response > was that it would only be good for just a talk format or sports=20 and not > music because of the band with. i don't see very much progres with > this technology and the fact that a class D station souldn't even > bother with adding IBOC. > From tomray@wor710.com Fri Jun 15 08:35:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41868 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2007 15:33:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2007 15:33:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.114) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2007 15:33:47 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2007 15:33:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2007 15:33:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2007 15:33:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:33:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM IS NOT going to help the AM BAND X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=p1xWXMm8IKXKeoZEwPuZ7RLgxQ2YKEcBZzJRZnklfAOSQFZ9 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > >=20 > 1) IBOC promised a very close HI-FI sound, near to the today=20 analog=20 > FM... FALSE!!! The only one real advance, comparing with the=20 analog=20 > AMAX, mono or stereo, is just a few decibels more above 7 kHz, BUT=20 > WITH A TERRIBLE TYPICAL MP3 TREBLE ARTIFACTS. [TR] First of all, the codec is not MP3, so your statement above is=20 blatantly incorrect. You have obviously not heard a good AM HD=20 signal. If you haven't heard one live, then you shouldn't state=20 your information as being "gospel". You have no experience to base=20 your statements on. >=20 > 2) IBOC promised a real non distorted sound... FALSE!!! The MP3=20 > artifacts ARE a very high distorted signal. [TR] Once again, the codec is not MP3. And I listen to WOR and the=20 other NY AM HD's all the time. Where is the distortion? I'm not=20 hearing it. >=20 > 3) IBOC promised a real non fading effect... FALSE!!! If you get a=20 > weak signal, with the typical analog fading effect, and you tune=20 it=20 > with your new digital tuner, you don't get "fading", you get...=20 > NOTHING, because the tuner change to analog when it can't decode=20 the=20 > digital stream. [TR] Guess what? There is no fading effect. If you lose digital=20 lock, you lose the signal. If you drive under a bridge, the signal=20 doesn't static up - it just plays on. You are comparing two=20 different things here. Fading is referred to as driving under a=20 bridge, highway sign, or around large buildings where an analog AM=20 signal will "noise up" and, at times, become unlistenable. The AM=20 HD signal has none of these issues. And I could take you on a ride=20 through Manhattan and prove this. >=20 > 4) IBOC promised an absolute NON noise signal... FALSE!!! They=20 > couldn't promise it any way because the background noise of any AM=20 > signal depends of the original media. If the station has a noisy=20 > tape, or CD, that noise will pass the processor, the digital=20 encoder=20 > and the TX. So, IBOC can't solve that problem. [TR] The signal itself is non noise. Back when we had to do noise=20 measurements as part of a proof-of-performance, the FCC did not=20 specify that this measurement be accomplished with a noisy tape=20 running. It was accomplished with the microphone amplifier's input=20 terminated with the correct input impedance, and the noise floor of=20 the entire system determined. You are correct that if you have a=20 noisy tape you will hear the noise. You are incorrect that HD is=20 not a non noise signal. My noise floor at the WOR studios is=20 around -120dB. The noise floor of the AM HD transmission path only=20 is around -90dB. My measured noise floor is -90dB. That is the=20 noise measurement. If you are going to make false statements like=20 this, you better make sure you know how noise floor is determined.=20=20 If you have a noisy source, of course the noise will be passed=20 through - that's how it works. The non noise statement refers to=20 the actual HD transmission system - NOT the source material feeding=20 the system. >=20 > Four lies, four broken dreams. [TR] Four lies - as put forth with incorrect information by you. >=20 > CAN YOU TELL US THIS IS A VERY GOOD "HELPING HAND" TO THE AM BAND? [TR] Yes, I can. I get numerous complaints from listeners listening=20 in HD when the HD goes off at night. They like what they are=20 hearing, and are anticipating 24/7 HD operation. > I think the only way to save the AM band is to change the mind of=20 > the AM station's owners and to get a revival of the very good and=20 > precious times when we got beautiful music FROM the AM band, any=20 > time. [TR] That, sir, is only part of the equation. Put music on the AM=20 band in analog, then offer the same thing on an FM station. Guess=20 where the listeners will go? They won't be staying on the AM=20 station. >=20 > Of course, if we get a new AM Stereo age, with the old but very,=20 > very good ISB system (despite the FCC idiots say), it would be a=20 > perfect time!!! [TR] Good God! Bury this idea. We're moving ahead. Get used to it. [TR] Incidentally, I have it on good authority that Chile will be=20 going HD very soon. Hope you aren't betting the farm on analog AM=20 stereo returning. This will be on top of Canada and Mexico. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Fri Jun 15 08:47:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52154 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2007 15:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2007 15:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.216) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2007 15:46:39 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2007 15:46:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2007 15:46:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2007 15:46:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:46:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM IS NOT going to help the AM BAND X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=xdUrkHxLUsEQkcUzZdfM9vmFq8agkrQtPkguYOsxjQgGh-5d X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Norbert 26"=20 wrote: > > Where are the portable radios that can take batteries ??? Where=20 are walkman type radios ??? As of right now its bolted to the car=20 dash board or chained to a plug in the house or office. I wont=20 bother going into coverage area VS analog.=20 > Just one more thing compare "HD" to an AM Analog station using=20 full bandwidth allowed IBOC and running C-Quam and sound sources set=20 up ideal and then lets see what sounds better on a good vintage AM=20 stereo receiver. Off course HD would sound better with the crappy=20 analog AM radios on the market today and the crappy bandwidth of=20 the NRSC allows.=20 [TR] As with any technology, you need to give it time. There are=20 two manufacturers presently working on and planning to introduce low=20 power chips which will make HD portables possible. This will most=20 likely happen by the end of this year.=20=20 [TR] The attitude of "we want it now, dammit" is a big problem in=20 this country. Things take time. I'd rather they wait and get it=20 right than rush it to market. Tom Ray WOR From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Jun 15 14:31:52 2007 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=25527;u=;t=1181943159;m=129101282;s=988566866; From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jun 15 17:18:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26472 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2007 00:18:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2007 00:18:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.162) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2007 00:18:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 69932 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2007 00:18:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: TCG6hOAVM1meRT1dbogYlvmjzUaYVwOH_sqjXgSHlKDDMaPVlXRfvH5oVB1YAiyqTYvOlnu5Rg-- Received: from [209.213.19.74] by web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:18:37 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:18:37 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <610637.97361.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <640894.69649.qm@web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM IS NOT going to help the AM BAND X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=g-3t5hVND0zdkS3jpiuB-XfzszPzKGmZacZHhQL32U8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- clemsonbloke wrote: > None of this means anything though if they can't > make > a radio that will pick the stuff up i.e.- bad crap > ive > read on here by posters concerning that Radio Shack > radio and some of the others. Kevin, you have to remember the power levels for FM IBOC are 1% of the analog. I hear there's thought of doubling that. MY RS Accurian makes a superb analog FM receiver. I use it to listen to a station that has a very strong 1st adjacent that on the analog stuff I have....chokes. > Also there has to be > more than a handful of radios that have HD. Another > thing is market penetration, more stations on HD. > None of this seems to be happening at this point. I found a 1995 Radio World touting IBOC. I just laughed. None of those predictions were remotely on target. > How > many of the AM HD stations even broadcast in Stereo? Dunno. I have WGAC on 580 running IBOC, and they are closer to me than WVOC on 560. WGAC is very weak. And WVOC's field strength is 33% of what it should be. Something is very wrong with WGAC. > That would be a nice selling factor if they did > actually broadcast in full fidelity stereo. Now if > you want to hear a great sounding AM Stereo station > look no further than WNMB in Myrtle Beach SC! Go > Bill!! Indeed. I'm back at WKDK and I tell the computer what to play ( no music scheduling software on the ENCO) and that's M- Thurs from 1:35 PM until 6:30 AM. You will hear me on evenings and overnights with weather. I did not voice track anything and left jingles to either none or very minimal. MOOOOREEEE MUSIC. The BE AM-1A with the 9100B sounds good. The stream is from a RS version of the GE SR III, if you wanna listen online,. Seriously though there does need to be more > HD > radios made and sold. Ibiquity sat on their fat rears too long on this. > More importantly the quality > control issues need to be addressed or the public > simply wont buy it. They don't seem to be buying it > now. Theres nowhere near enough education on the > product. Education? I hear lies and falsehoods, or else those spouting stuff are just stupid. > I hear radio stations here claiming "full > digital stereo broadcast" but what they fail to say > is > "if you have an HD radio". They never say that. > They > always say "broadcasting in full HD digital stereo". Yup. > Now the average joe listener is just going to ignore > that unless they push the fact that you have to have > an HD radio to actually receive that so called full > digital stereo. Another thing is it needs to sound > better than analog FM stereo. As it stands now FM > analog stereo doesn't sound that bad if you have a > good signal. At least in my area the stations here > all have good signals and good processing. There are some that don't. > That is > they all sound pretty damn good. A couple may have > better high end than others but overall pretty good > quality. I mean come on it's radio. If a person is > going for the best quality they are going to rely on > their CD's, DVD-A, or SACD's. Of course analog > pureists will argue that those aren't as good as > trustly old records! I won't argue that because I > don't want to hear clicks and pops. I do think > Vocals > sound particularly good on vinyl, better than CD's > but > thats all. On a correctly done CD, no. Overall CD's are much better in my > opinion. I believe HD will help the AM band only if > it's available in FM quality stereo and if it's > included on ALL radio receivers be it car radios, > stereo receivers, or small radios. It has to > penetrate the market. I don't think however that > analog signals should ever be turned off in our > lifetimes. It has to be to succeed. > It would cause so much equipment to > become > useless overnight thus making a large trash problem > from all the people throwing them away who aren't > collectors. You are starting to see a lot of non HDTV sets show up in thrift stores. > Enough of my ramblings but those are my > ideas. I say if HD doesn't penetrate the market > heavy > in the next 5 years just hang HD up and get with the > program of producing quality sound with the > technology > we have and it can be done. The real fact though is > that if you don't have programming that people are > willing to listen to you can forget sound quality Yep. None of the Greenville-Spartanburg HD secondaries are worth listening to. I'm right now listening to WKDK, on a Sony Dream Machine clock radio that makes WKDK sound great. Drop me a line. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Fri Jun 15 18:01:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17955 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2007 01:01:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2007 01:01:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.134) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2007 01:01:10 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2007 01:00:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2007 01:00:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2007 01:00:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 01:00:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.146.14.232 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: HD AM IS NOT going to help the AM BAND X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=bBVZnEiCykjzfohNixG9pLebG9xJ1clNQ8D0Uob0SPaFHB4 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane I have stayed on the sideline for "most" of the HD, IBOC or whatever its called because quite frankly it does not have much to do with AM Stereo, and I find it boring. Being that I have made my living off commercial Radio as a Programmer, Music Director, Jock, Operations Manager for the last 24 years I would like to make a couple points because although this is an opinion, I feel I am qualified in stating it. FM HD Radio.... I don't care HOW good (or bad or new) the technology is, without content HD is a waste of time. MY choices on HD here ? Gay Radio, crappy Soft Classic Rock, Alternative Light, Old School Rap....I don't care how much it sounds like CD, If the content is not there, people will not listen. Why does Satellite Radio have 14 million listeners ? It isn't about the technology, or the way it sounds, it's about choice. HD is dead unless it can come it with something worth listening to. Trust me, after all the Radio geeks and techies (like myself) buy up the Radios, it's all done for. And to be honest, terrestrial Radio is healthy, but it's dying. IBOC is 15 years too late. The horse is already out of the barn folks. Young people get their entertainment from a computer, maybe via streaming, ipod, mp3 player, and yes Radio, but this demo is drying up. Try telling a 20 something about HD radio. Tell them that they can buy a radio, hear hidden signals, in CD quality. First question will be what is there to listen to ?=20 Juan Ft. Pierce --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Norbert 26"=20 > wrote: > > > > Where are the portable radios that can take batteries ??? Where=20 > are walkman type radios ??? As of right now its bolted to the car=20 > dash board or chained to a plug in the house or office. I wont=20 > bother going into coverage area VS analog.=20 > > Just one more thing compare "HD" to an AM Analog station using=20 > full bandwidth allowed IBOC and running C-Quam and sound sources set=20 > up ideal and then lets see what sounds better on a good vintage AM=20 > stereo receiver. Off course HD would sound better with the crappy=20 > analog AM radios on the market today and the crappy bandwidth of=20 > the NRSC allows.=20 >=20 > [TR] As with any technology, you need to give it time. There are=20 > two manufacturers presently working on and planning to introduce low=20 > power chips which will make HD portables possible. This will most=20 > likely happen by the end of this year.=20=20 >=20 > [TR] The attitude of "we want it now, dammit" is a big problem in=20 > this country. Things take time. I'd rather they wait and get it=20 > right than rush it to market. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Jun 15 18:26:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81176 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2007 01:26:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2007 01:26:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2007 01:26:09 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.170]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 183637735-1881964 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 20:26:04 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <004f01c7afb5$e4201e40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 20:30:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=4, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.170 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM IS NOT going to help the AM BAND X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=1zsuG7QAcV2wrTw5IrKfEKtQZOwETVHR2oR6S7WpQ6jOOQGlJZye X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Actually they've already been invented. Now it's just a matter of production. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ray" To: Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 10:46 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM IS NOT going to help the AM BAND > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Norbert 26" > wrote: > > > > Where are the portable radios that can take batteries ??? Where > are walkman type radios ??? > > [TR] As with any technology, you need to give it time. There are > two manufacturers presently working on and planning to introduce low > power chips which will make HD portables possible. This will most > likely happen by the end of this year. > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Jun 15 19:17:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95775 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2007 02:17:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2007 02:17:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.114) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2007 02:17:28 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2007 02:16:12 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2007 02:16:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2007 02:16:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 02:16:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.4 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM IS NOT going to help the AM BAND X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=ogtEPZ8Iw3PGo-KFLkboUYYSvvtfHYT0p59fEqfLu1bm3qjhTw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > >=20 > [TR] First of all, the codec is not MP3, so your statement above=20 is=20 > blatantly incorrect. You have obviously not heard a good AM HD=20 > signal. If you haven't heard one live, then you shouldn't state=20 > your information as being "gospel". You have no experience to=20 base=20 > your statements on. >=20 .......... (cut text) > [TR] That, sir, is only part of the equation. Put music on the AM=20 > band in analog, then offer the same thing on an FM station. Guess=20 > where the listeners will go? They won't be staying on the AM=20 > station. >=20 > >=20 > > Of course, if we get a new AM Stereo age, with the old but very,=20 > > very good ISB system (despite the FCC idiots say), it would be a=20 > > perfect time!!! >=20 > [TR] Good God! Bury this idea. We're moving ahead. Get used to=20 it. >=20 > [TR] Incidentally, I have it on good authority that Chile will be=20 > going HD very soon. Hope you aren't betting the farm on analog AM=20 > stereo returning. This will be on top of Canada and Mexico. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > HI GANG!!! Tom, I'm not against you and/or the new digital technologies. Please. I've heard a direct experimental HD transmission here, in Chile, two=20 or three years ago, and I didn't like it. The first experience was=20 with some american HD tuner (I never saw the device because we gone=20 into a bus through the city where the experiment was made and we=20 only heard it with earphones) and a chilean TX (I guess if was a=20 Continental Lensa, but I'm not sure about it). I tried to tune another failed experience, last year, but I can't=20 because something was wrong with the HD TX and the experience was=20 suspended. I reported it as a failure, but I didn't know the=20 reasons. Now I know it was a TX problem, not an HD problem itself. I know the used digital stream isn't MP3 coding in HD. I only=20 said "it sounds like an MP3 artifact". And, in my only one=20 experience with HD, I heard a lot of "MP3 artifacts sound". When I talk about MP3 artifacts, I mean the typical faltering or=20 intermitent treble sounding, something like "water in the ears". I=20 don't know if you understand me. In other words: 1) I LOVE DIGITAL AUDIO (in my recording studio). 2) I LOVE AMPLITUDE MODULATION (I was born with it and I'm 47 years=20 old, today). 3) I'VE SEEN THE AM DECADENCE AND I DON'T WANT THE AM DEATH. But I=20 saw how somebody tried to save the AM, with C-QUAM, and... nothing=20 happened. Why? Because the reason of that decadence was/is THE BAD=20 PROGRAMMING FORMAT, NOT A TECHNICAL ISSUE!!! And I have an=20 irrefutable proof: in my city, the most listened radio station today=20 is in the FM band, with a very high treble distortion/saturation, a=20 very great an noticeable hum noise (due to a ground loop) and an=20 horrible audio processing system (the typical over breathing sound=20 in any speaker pause), but people loves it because... "they play the=20 music the listener wants". And that radio station is... MY RADIO=20 STATION, and I'm not proudly for it. For a while, my AM radio=20 station has the same audio signal plus a lot of news, sports and=20 theater news (artists scandalous, you know) but without the hum=20 noise. And the FM signal hum noise isn't my fault because my boss=20 doesn't care for it: he only wants money, money, money, not quality.=20 All about my wishes about AM Stereo if only a PERSONAL wish, a crazy=20 personal idea (because we've never had it and I don't see a way my=20 boss wants to invert in HD of another kind of "new" system in the=20 near future). So, I only play a basic logic syllogism: a) If the listener doesn't want to hear AM, due to the bad=20 programming. b) If the technical quality isn't the main reason of the low rating. c) Then, any kind of new technology couldn't be a "helping hand" to=20 the AM, BECAUSE THE MAYOR PROBLEM ISN'T THERE (in the technical=20 part). I really want to know, if Chile definitively goes with HD soon, what=20 the listeners will do. I don't think they go back to the AM, with=20 the today AM format. And, if I'm right, it will be the definitively=20 AM band announced death. I hope a "last hope" to the AM band. I really hope one. But I can't=20 see it goes from the HD system. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Jun 15 22:11:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16255 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2007 05:11:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2007 05:11:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.38) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2007 05:11:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 97076 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2007 05:11:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: iGl5.6MVM1lk4cjO6uO0XtZKtPSY34UgWExtA2uFcD.yGE1IAonKFe2iv_oV2EgZ_Q-- Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 22:11:18 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 22:11:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <664676.93267.qm@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM IS NOT going to help the AM BAND X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=yRhZan3lbP3WJXPbNxTzduR3hYiWsjv3KBLlGDAGvlwPPvL4SNb8 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Tom, While I agree with most of what you said I have to say this. The reason people are saying "give it to me now dammnit" is because of all these radio stations hyping the technology. Don't scream it and preach it unless we have something to listen to it on and I mean in a full array of radios where anyone can afford a digital capable radio. I say the radio stations and Ibiquity need to quit hyping it until they can put out. It's like do something about the issues or get off the pot. Thats all we are saying. I don't think any station should hype a technology until there is an ample supply of radios and in all types and sizes. It just makes no sense to hype something that someone can't hear. Theres no way they'll buy into it until its Proven that it's better. I don't think it's been proven to be that as of yet. Course these days it's not about quality its about convenience. Look at the kids carrying Ipods. While they are a huge convenience they aren't much in the quality sound department. A $10 portable CD player with headphones wins out here in terms of quality of sound. I say HD needs to put out or get out cause really i'm tired of the hype. -Kevin --- Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Norbert 26" > wrote: > > > > Where are the portable radios that can take > batteries ??? Where > are walkman type radios ??? As of right now its > bolted to the car > dash board or chained to a plug in the house or > office. I wont > bother going into coverage area VS analog. > > Just one more thing compare "HD" to an AM Analog > station using > full bandwidth allowed IBOC and running C-Quam and > sound sources set > up ideal and then lets see what sounds better on a > good vintage AM > stereo receiver. Off course HD would sound better > with the crappy > analog AM radios on the market today and the crappy > bandwidth of > the NRSC allows. > > [TR] As with any technology, you need to give it > time. There are > two manufacturers presently working on and planning > to introduce low > power chips which will make HD portables possible. > This will most > likely happen by the end of this year. > > [TR] The attitude of "we want it now, dammit" is a > big problem in > this country. Things take time. I'd rather they > wait and get it > right than rush it to market. > > Tom Ray > WOR > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Jun 15 22:21:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7380 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2007 05:21:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2007 05:21:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.29) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2007 05:21:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 77217 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2007 05:19:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: bM1dNTcVM1lsKF4.GmmsD7nHrKnjGIMfQxIGBv_rotl1W2BqB5lfo5dKq8cEDEwirF4EW1KAsTe.nKtK3MMgRGpAggVMKhXYUkaOWaBjKXr6 Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 22:19:10 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 22:19:10 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <640894.69649.qm@web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <501351.75111.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM IS NOT going to help the AM BAND X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=7cBEjAoSRvdlQhXmJjXZZ_l2c4JBNhKEileNywq6yGMdhryimSnI X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Powell, Hey good to hear that you are back at WKDK. I mean yeah don't yall get me wrong I'd like to see anything that truly has good intentions of reviving the AM band. Would be nice to see AM music stations come back and be able to do things they weren't able to do in the past in terms of sound quality. I still go back though to the fact that there has to be quality programming first of all. I miss local radio like it was when I was a little kid back in the late 70s and early to mid 80s. Now theres just no local content really. The only way you get that is the very few mom and pop operations going on. Now those folks do know how to be creative with their programming. It all goes back to you gotta know you're audience as well! -Kevin --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- clemsonbloke wrote: > > > None of this means anything though if they can't > > make > > a radio that will pick the stuff up i.e.- bad crap > > ive > > read on here by posters concerning that Radio > Shack > > radio and some of the others. > > Kevin, you have to remember the power levels for FM > IBOC are 1% of the analog. I hear there's thought of > doubling that. MY RS Accurian makes a superb analog > FM > receiver. I use it to listen to a station that has a > very strong 1st adjacent that on the analog stuff I > have....chokes. > > > Also there has to be > > more than a handful of radios that have HD. > Another > > thing is market penetration, more stations on HD. > > None of this seems to be happening at this point. > > I found a 1995 Radio World touting IBOC. I just > laughed. None of those predictions were remotely on > target. > > > How > > many of the AM HD stations even broadcast in > Stereo? > > Dunno. I have WGAC on 580 running IBOC, and they > are > closer to me than WVOC on 560. WGAC is very weak. > And > WVOC's field strength is 33% of what it should be. > Something is very wrong with WGAC. > > > > That would be a nice selling factor if they did > > actually broadcast in full fidelity stereo. Now > if > > you want to hear a great sounding AM Stereo > station > > look no further than WNMB in Myrtle Beach SC! Go > > Bill!! > > > Indeed. I'm back at WKDK and I tell the computer > what > to play ( no music scheduling software on the ENCO) > and that's M- Thurs from 1:35 PM until 6:30 AM. You > will hear me on evenings and overnights with > weather. > I did not voice track anything and left jingles to > either none or very minimal. MOOOOREEEE MUSIC. The > BE > AM-1A with the 9100B sounds good. The stream is from > a > RS version of the GE SR III, if you wanna listen > online,. > > Seriously though there does need to be more > > HD > > radios made and sold. > > Ibiquity sat on their fat rears too long on this. > > > More importantly the quality > > control issues need to be addressed or the public > > simply wont buy it. They don't seem to be buying > it > > now. Theres nowhere near enough education on the > > product. > > > Education? I hear lies and falsehoods, or else those > spouting stuff are just stupid. > > > > I hear radio stations here claiming "full > > digital stereo broadcast" but what they fail to > say > > is > > "if you have an HD radio". They never say that. > > They > > always say "broadcasting in full HD digital > stereo". > > Yup. > > > > Now the average joe listener is just going to > ignore > > that unless they push the fact that you have to > have > > an HD radio to actually receive that so called > full > > digital stereo. Another thing is it needs to > sound > > better than analog FM stereo. As it stands now FM > > analog stereo doesn't sound that bad if you have a > > good signal. At least in my area the stations > here > > all have good signals and good processing. > > > There are some that don't. > > > That is > > they all sound pretty damn good. A couple may > have > > better high end than others but overall pretty > good > > quality. I mean come on it's radio. If a person > is > > going for the best quality they are going to rely > on > > their CD's, DVD-A, or SACD's. Of course analog > > pureists will argue that those aren't as good as > > trustly old records! I won't argue that because I > > don't want to hear clicks and pops. I do think > > Vocals > > sound particularly good on vinyl, better than CD's > > but > > thats all. > > On a correctly done CD, no. > > > Overall CD's are much better in my > > opinion. I believe HD will help the AM band only > if > > it's available in FM quality stereo and if it's > > included on ALL radio receivers be it car radios, > > stereo receivers, or small radios. It has to > > penetrate the market. I don't think however that > > analog signals should ever be turned off in our > > lifetimes. > > It has to be to succeed. > > > It would cause so much equipment to > > become > > useless overnight thus making a large trash > problem > > from all the people throwing them away who aren't > > collectors. > > > You are starting to see a lot of non HDTV sets show > up > in thrift stores. > > > Enough of my ramblings but those are my > > ideas. I say if HD doesn't penetrate the market > > heavy > > in the next 5 years just hang HD up and get with > the > > program of producing quality sound with the > > technology > > we have and it can be done. The real fact though > is > > that if you don't have programming that people are > > willing to listen to you can forget sound quality > > > > Yep. None of the Greenville-Spartanburg HD > secondaries > are worth listening to. I'm right now listening to > WKDK, on a Sony Dream Machine clock radio that makes > WKDK sound great. > > Drop me a line. > > Powell > > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Jun 15 22:22:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81905 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2007 05:22:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2007 05:22:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.26) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2007 05:22:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 24485 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2007 05:21:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xdQk5VgVM1n9C6L1cagYwUsf7jG7aLLux5fKqRt16tuYFRx8TRzpDr.1xWHUITuA86XMFyEeVKuHGQGAxEX7wI6v84RCjuY9B47SHNM7UPxoMXnSkUb9LIM- Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 22:21:12 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 22:21:12 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <205394.22622.qm@web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD AM IS NOT going to help the AM BAND X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=WEIqcWll3QuAPGnEO1We0WtrDMZM5M0fRPWD6HMAHBFzZMAajFMT X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Very true, very well said. I just hope radio doesn't go away as you state though! -Kevin --- Juan Gualda wrote: > I have stayed on the sideline for "most" of the HD, > IBOC or whatever > its called because quite frankly it does not have > much to do with AM > Stereo, and I find it boring. Being that I have made > my living off > commercial Radio as a Programmer, Music Director, > Jock, Operations > Manager for the last 24 years I would like to make a > couple points > because although this is an opinion, I feel I am > qualified in stating it. > > > > FM HD Radio.... I don't care HOW good (or bad or > new) the technology > is, without content HD is a waste of time. MY > choices on HD here ? Gay > Radio, crappy Soft Classic Rock, Alternative Light, > Old School > Rap....I don't care how much it sounds like CD, If > the content is not > there, people will not listen. Why does Satellite > Radio have 14 > million listeners ? It isn't about the technology, > or the way it > sounds, it's about choice. HD is dead unless it can > come it with > something worth listening to. Trust me, after all > the Radio geeks and > techies (like myself) buy up the Radios, it's all > done for. And to be > honest, terrestrial Radio is healthy, but it's > dying. IBOC is 15 years > too late. The horse is already out of the barn > folks. Young people get > their entertainment from a computer, maybe via > streaming, ipod, mp3 > player, and yes Radio, but this demo is drying up. > Try telling a 20 > something about HD radio. Tell them that they can > buy a radio, hear > hidden signals, in CD quality. First question will > be what is there to > listen to ? > > > > Juan > Ft. Pierce > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" > wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Norbert 26" > > > wrote: > > > > > > Where are the portable radios that can take > batteries ??? Where > > are walkman type radios ??? As of right now its > bolted to the car > > dash board or chained to a plug in the house or > office. I wont > > bother going into coverage area VS analog. > > > Just one more thing compare "HD" to an AM Analog > station using > > full bandwidth allowed IBOC and running C-Quam and > sound sources set > > up ideal and then lets see what sounds better on a > good vintage AM > > stereo receiver. Off course HD would sound better > with the crappy > > analog AM radios on the market today and the > crappy bandwidth of > > the NRSC allows. > > > > [TR] As with any technology, you need to give it > time. There are > > two manufacturers presently working on and > planning to introduce low > > power chips which will make HD portables possible. > This will most > > likely happen by the end of this year. > > > > [TR] The attitude of "we want it now, dammit" is a > big problem in > > this country. Things take time. I'd rather they > wait and get it > > right than rush it to market. > > > > Tom Ray > > WOR > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Jun 15 22:22:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78999 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2007 05:22:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2007 05:22:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.167) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2007 05:22:18 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n7.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2007 05:21:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2007 05:21:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2007 05:21:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 05:21:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.167 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.81 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM IS NOT going to help the AM BAND X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=u8ILgarT3gmP23aqUfhEFHUAo-keiJ5tfyZmZbHlyH21xrBYCw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI GANG!!! As I know more than somebody hates me due to my "acid" commentaries,=20 I wanna try to get some "peace". I recognize I've been a little "passionate" with some topics (I'm=20 that way most the time), but I only want to say I'm so sad about how=20 the AM band goes to the precipice and nobody does something coherent=20 to save it. I'm not a radio station owner, at least entirely. I don't have that=20 experience, unfortunately. I only have my little audio recording=20 studio. I really want to be "my" AM/FM station "full" owner because=20 I'd do a lot of changes (first of all, the music format and=20 second... the processing system). But, the question is: IF I'D BE THE FULL OWNER OF MY STATION, AND I'D GET THE RESOURCES,=20 HOW MANY BRAINS OF THIS FORUM WOULD ADVISE ME, SERIOUSLY, TO CHANGE=20 TO HD-AM RIGHT NOW? For the moment, I hope to buy a C-QUAM AM low power TX, soon, and I=20 hope to get some test with it and, with my old but very, very good=20 AM Stereo tuner (Philips DC-888) I hope to get some local "AM=20 revival". Of course, with beautiful music. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sat Jun 16 04:41:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49884 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2007 11:40:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2007 11:40:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.210) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2007 11:40:34 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2007 11:40:16 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2007 11:40:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2007 11:40:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 11:40:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <469150.39663.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.202.98.53 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: Why I'm Going to sell my HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=pI2SUfOajui9Uixmd6p732CmbkRTtTmB5Bi-X6xS0lo X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > It would appear that only 100% digital is going to make any difference > at all, and THEN, they can TURN-OFF your radio unless you buy a > subscription, as digital can be tagged as paying or non-paying, just > like satrad. Pay radio must be their goal, as HD doesn't make any > sense to me otherwise. >=20 > 73's > John EXACTLY!!! at the hidden point of the so-called "digital era"...=20 Cash flow, coming not only from commercials, but mostly from the=20 listeners of the prepaid commercials!!! Win-Win situation once again?=20 From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat Jun 16 06:01:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68444 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2007 13:01:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2007 13:01:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.213) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2007 13:01:25 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n32.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2007 12:58:15 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2007 12:58:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2007 12:58:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 12:58:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <205394.22622.qm@web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.225.102.105 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: HD AM IS NOT going to help the AM BAND X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=PtZM6ZVA2AcpztEdT5oZ8n2_Wv_9PZjm89-uESG9qqiHKTg X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane I didn't mean to say it would die, I should have said it's dying in regard to its total share. AM/FM isn't going anywhere, it's a case of the landscape changing in regard to all the choices the public has to listen to for entertainment. FM HD will be part of it, I don't know about AM. I know Tom Ray would not agree, but if I am wrong, it's not the first time. Tom has worked pretty hard on WOR and has done much PR, so I wish him the best.=20 I wish I had an AM HD signal nearby. The HD-100 From Radiosophy has a digital light that blinks when it detects a digital signal. On AM, it can be very weak, but it still will not decode. I am just too far away. Maybe it's time for a road trip. Juan Ft. Pierce, FL --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, clemsonbloke wrote: > > Very true, very well said. I just hope radio doesn't > go away as you state though! >=20 >=20 > -Kevin >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Juan Gualda wrote: >=20 > > I have stayed on the sideline for "most" of the HD, > > IBOC or whatever > > its called because quite frankly it does not have > > much to do with AM > > Stereo, and I find it boring. Being that I have made > > my living off > > commercial Radio as a Programmer, Music Director, > > Jock, Operations > > Manager for the last 24 years I would like to make a > > couple points > > because although this is an opinion, I feel I am > > qualified in stating it. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > FM HD Radio.... I don't care HOW good (or bad or > > new) the technology > > is, without content HD is a waste of time. MY > > choices on HD here ? Gay > > Radio, crappy Soft Classic Rock, Alternative Light, > > Old School > > Rap....I don't care how much it sounds like CD, If > > the content is not > > there, people will not listen. Why does Satellite > > Radio have 14 > > million listeners ? It isn't about the technology, > > or the way it > > sounds, it's about choice. HD is dead unless it can > > come it with > > something worth listening to. Trust me, after all > > the Radio geeks and > > techies (like myself) buy up the Radios, it's all > > done for. And to be > > honest, terrestrial Radio is healthy, but it's > > dying. IBOC is 15 years > > too late. The horse is already out of the barn > > folks. Young people get > > their entertainment from a computer, maybe via > > streaming, ipod, mp3 > > player, and yes Radio, but this demo is drying up. > > Try telling a 20 > > something about HD radio. Tell them that they can > > buy a radio, hear > > hidden signals, in CD quality. First question will > > be what is there to > > listen to ?=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Juan > > Ft. Pierce From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Jun 16 08:14:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98485 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2007 15:14:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2007 15:14:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2007 15:14:39 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.191]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 180540042-1881964 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:14:12 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <004a01c7b029$9621e560$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <664676.93267.qm@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:18:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.191 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM IS NOT going to help the AM BAND X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=-qPr6Yea0o9Vj_gbNGxsMMv6hI9GVnWb-TnBUvaCCUIKnYcitwtV X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Thing is, the radio hype has to create the demand for the receivers. The radio manufacturers won't start making them out of the goodness of their hearts. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "clemsonbloke" > Tom, > > While I agree with most of what you said I have to say > this. The reason people are saying "give it to me now > dammnit" is because of all these radio stations > hyping the technology. Don't scream it and preach it > unless we have something to listen to it on and I mean > in a full array of radios where anyone can afford a > digital capable radio. I say the radio stations and > Ibiquity need to quit hyping it until they can put > out. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jun 16 09:08:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30737 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2007 16:08:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2007 16:08:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2007 16:08:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 67114 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2007 16:08:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tWRB1_EVM1kQr0q_nN102mFYkipTOjQH8m5mgdQhQ9VO9ic_EZjGbAdZaabYTCCYCyTqnSQ00Q-- Received: from [209.213.19.84] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 09:08:29 PDT Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 09:08:29 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <664676.93267.qm@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <472654.65059.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM IS NOT going to help the AM BAND X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=jV07H3km0i5A0zkSNXrqnfxgWpPQyqvHuYEuw6FYfDE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- clemsonbloke wrote: > Tom, > > While I agree with most of what you said I have to > say > this. The reason people are saying "give it to me > now > dammnit" is because of all these radio stations > hyping the technology. Look at > the > kids carrying Ipods. While they are a huge > convenience they aren't much in the quality sound > department. They can be. Someone found out how to record LINEAR (no compression ) to the IPOD. It better have a ton of storage.... > A $10 portable CD player with > headphones > wins out here in terms of quality of sound. Some of those sound decent. Especially with my Big Band or Beautiful Music CD's. > I say HD needs to put out or get out cause really i'm tired > of the hype. There needs to be severe pressure on manufacturers, especially for cars. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From jimbo@burgan.net Sat Jun 16 09:22:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44421 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2007 16:22:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2007 16:22:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flpvm09.prodigy.net) (207.115.20.39) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2007 16:22:57 -0000 X-ORBL: [70.239.88.117] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-70-239-88-117.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net [70.239.88.117]) by flpvm09.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with SMTP id l5GGMYC9004064 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 09:22:35 -0700 Message-ID: <001d01c7b032$939298e0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <664676.93267.qm@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <004a01c7b029$9621e560$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 12:22:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000749-2, 06/16/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.20.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Tom Ray: Please address my points... Please! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=R9qePHwrhPkVa9jHrxXR0Nb1hrfPSTlrPZEIedmbdAD1aZw X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 As I said berlier, I've had a Boston Acoustics HD radio at home for nearly a year, and an Alpine in my car for 7 or 8 months. Here was my post a few days ago. I'd appreciate it if Tom owuld address these points. .............. Well I do have 2 HD Radios and as I reported here last March. if broadcasters are putting their hope for the future in this medium, good luck. My first observations on HD Radio.... Whoever compared it to a bad MP3 was right. I know the codec was improved within the past few months, but it still sounds worse than a low bitrate MP3 recording. We know it's NOT MP3, it a far-worse codec. Now that we've had a few months of summer weather, here are a few observations. When we are having thunderstorms, when lightning strikes loud enough to cause a crackle on the analog radio, it knocks out HD Radio and the signal blends back to analog until it rebuffers (by that time there's usually anothe rlightnming bolt). so, I basically get the same crackly AM during lightning.. When I drive under an overpass or bridge, the radio blends back to analog and I get static until I exit. When I drive near noisy powerlines, the radio blends back to mono and I get noisy AM static. In other words, the same things that cause analog AM radio to sound bad does the same things on HD Radio. Where's the benefit? As for nightime use of IBOC, I do live 70 miles from WCKY (Cincinnati 1530), on which much night time testing was done, and you have no idea what this can of worms will open. There is an AM station on 1520 in Shelbyville Indiana and they were bombarded with the sideband buzz saw in their studios on the mod monitor, less than 3 miles from their transmitter site. At night they couldn't even monitor the air signal (they are 1KW days 500 watts nights DA2). Are you telling me that CFRB (1010 KHz) in Toronto is going to put up with sideband noise from WMVP (1000KHz) in Chicago??? Nightime broadcasting of IBOC is a violation of our treaties with Canada and Mexico and Canada says they will not let IBOC interfere. I didn't even mention that the effective range of AM-HD radio is about 60% of the signal that would normally be considered a 'city grade' analog signal. Thus their coverage area is about 40% less than their analog contour (and I can personally say that the figures are actually less than that, if my experience with WLW, WHAS, WIBC and WGN are any example). I have long since given up on AM Stereo and I concede the MW band to talk radio and niche formats, but I can't let your comments about sound quality stand. AM-HD radio sounds like a low bit rate Real Audio stream. and couldn't hold a candle to AM before the NRSC mask went into effect (or even after the NRSC mask on many well engineered stations). I've said it before and I'll say it again. While appreciate the fact that you take time to read forums like AMSF, and reply, for the past 2 years you have been nothing more than a shill for Ibuquity and for a seriously flawed system. I hope they paid you lots of money because your repuation hasd suffered. -Jim- From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Jun 16 17:49:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97652 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2007 00:49:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2007 00:49:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.32) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2007 00:49:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 52686 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jun 2007 00:42:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: b_aKju0VM1moAY1oy1BIOx1W0LJJjJzvJur9RaZlgMCRbChm7LaLA_yERK2wa2SK89bkKsyEc8OeTr1JdmcXSEATTK7jxy5GhtdOBOcQAaMD9Wcw5rPfjL8- Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 17:42:17 PDT Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 17:42:17 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004a01c7b029$9621e560$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <255302.49713.qm@web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM IS NOT going to help the AM BAND X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=MdAtytNfhqZa53M02p6Fb7b5geHeNVhg6sHX9gpAMNqtqAqVVhh9 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Well if it's created a demand I sure haven't seen it. I've asked lots of people just to see and no one knew what Digital Radio was. They simply think that the station has upgraded something to "digital" and it makes the sound better. Thats all they know or think. They don't think they actually need a new radio. I'm telling you only people like us get it and what it means. Most other radio listeners don't keep up with it. They simply think the station has upgraded something and it's made it sound better on their radio. They don't realize that its a different technology and about its sub or side channels, etc. -Kevin --- Scott Todd wrote: > Thing is, the radio hype has to create the demand > for the receivers. The > radio manufacturers won't start making them out of > the goodness of their > hearts. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "clemsonbloke" > > > Tom, > > > > While I agree with most of what you said I have to > say > > this. The reason people are saying "give it to me > now > > dammnit" is because of all these radio stations > > hyping the technology. Don't scream it and preach > it > > unless we have something to listen to it on and I > mean > > in a full array of radios where anyone can afford > a > > digital capable radio. I say the radio stations > and > > Ibiquity need to quit hyping it until they can put > > out. > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Jun 16 17:50:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74057 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2007 00:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2007 00:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.32) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2007 00:50:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 53438 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jun 2007 00:45:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: REVbzlYVM1li6R_qVdio5o1mx5ftACouTFbVj_52XnBqqmcKzda4RUhjuGG2YdpG1zrfq9L2PFzvgawuDDAhvSO3m4Xc13mLwZ.zE_NLENk0r4HGir.X3dc- Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 17:45:01 PDT Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 17:45:01 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <472654.65059.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <766643.43829.qm@web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM IS NOT going to help the AM BAND X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=gYT4O6j9lvi4E1VppskkTBn-BCTOXsNPCiSRlpzWStUYg3Sgz8xt X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Powell, Where are you finding big band and beautiful music CD's? I haven't seen any good ones in years. Most of what I see are the bargin bin stuff. Are there any out there that are reputable much like the old readers digest and time life series used to be back in the 60s and 70s? Some of those were actually good. What about individual artists or groups rather than those? Whats a good record label you'd recommend? Eventhough i'm a young one on the forum I do enjoy that type of music in the background, it's most relaxing. -Kevin --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- clemsonbloke wrote: > > > Tom, > > > > While I agree with most of what you said I have to > > say > > this. The reason people are saying "give it to me > > now > > dammnit" is because of all these radio stations > > hyping the technology. > > Look at > > the > > kids carrying Ipods. While they are a huge > > convenience they aren't much in the quality sound > > department. > > > > They can be. Someone found out how to record LINEAR > (no compression ) to the IPOD. It better have a ton > of > storage.... > > > > A $10 portable CD player with > > headphones > > wins out here in terms of quality of sound. > > Some of those sound decent. Especially with my Big > Band or Beautiful Music CD's. > > > > I say HD needs to put out or get out cause really > i'm tired > > of the hype. > > > > There needs to be severe pressure on manufacturers, > especially for cars. > > > Powell > > > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jun 16 18:45:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71002 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2007 01:45:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2007 01:45:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.163) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2007 01:45:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 95139 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jun 2007 01:44:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: NW2uX1cVM1lgqT2u5oFsv7P0x9uCha8n5g0lYbz0bS80gFv13WPgy2lNgLK_9Ebg4e6Su3e9kw-- Received: from [209.213.18.38] by web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 18:44:51 PDT Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 18:44:51 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <766643.43829.qm@web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <615690.92710.qm@web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM IS NOT going to help the AM BAND X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=lNnC4Y-o6-_Nf9bedoZxRDQkrkcXmi-WG3sm0CC3GZQ X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- clemsonbloke wrote: > Powell, > > Where are you finding big band and beautiful music > CD's? Barnes and Nobles a bit. But Millenium Music in Charleston does. There's a person on the Yahoo Groups Beautiful Instrumentals that has the rights to Frank Chacksfield music and is selling CD's to us. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Jun 17 01:26:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58803 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2007 08:26:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2007 08:26:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.186) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2007 08:26:05 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n5.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2007 08:24:50 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2007 08:24:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2007 08:24:50 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 08:24:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001d01c7b032$939298e0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.31 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Tom Ray: Please address my points... Please! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=wMUKCNDKgqloaguFrF_zCRYlQHlWSyCPpPTkmIJk3XC8Khowgg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > As I said berlier, I've had a Boston Acoustics HD radio at home=20 for nearly a=20 > year, and an Alpine in my car for 7 or 8 months. > Here was my post a few days ago. I'd appreciate it if Tom owuld=20 address=20 > these points. > .............. > Well I do have 2 HD Radios and as I reported here last March. if > broadcasters are putting their hope for the future in this medium,=20 good > luck. > My first observations on HD Radio.... Whoever compared it to a bad=20 MP3 was > right. > I know the codec was improved within the past few months, but it=20 still > sounds worse than a low bitrate MP3 recording. We know it's NOT=20 MP3, it a > far-worse codec. >=20 > Now that we've had a few months of summer weather, here are a few > observations. > When we are having thunderstorms, when lightning strikes loud=20 enough to > cause > a crackle on the analog radio, it knocks out HD Radio and the=20 signal blends > back to analog until it rebuffers (by that time there's usually=20 anothe=20 > rlightnming bolt). > so, I basically get the same crackly AM during lightning.. > When I drive under an overpass or bridge, the radio blends back to=20 analog > and I get static until I exit. > When I drive near noisy powerlines, the radio blends back to mono=20 and I get > noisy AM static. > In other words, the same things that cause analog AM radio to=20 sound bad > does the same things on HD Radio. Where's the benefit? > As for nightime use of IBOC, I do live 70 miles from WCKY=20 (Cincinnati 1530), > on which much night time testing was done, and you have no idea=20 what this > can of worms will open. > There is an AM station on 1520 in Shelbyville Indiana and they were > bombarded with the sideband buzz saw in their studios on the mod=20 monitor, > less than 3 miles from their transmitter site. At night they=20 couldn't even > monitor the air signal (they are 1KW days 500 watts nights DA2). > Are you telling me that CFRB (1010 KHz) in Toronto is going to=20 put up with > sideband noise from WMVP (1000KHz) in Chicago??? > Nightime broadcasting of IBOC is a violation of our treaties with=20 Canada and > Mexico and Canada says they will not let IBOC interfere. >=20 > I didn't even mention that the effective range of AM-HD radio is=20 about 60% > of the signal that would normally be considered a 'city grade'=20 analog=20 > signal. > Thus their coverage area is about 40% less than their analog=20 contour (and I > can personally say that the figures are actually less than that,=20 if my > experience with WLW, WHAS, WIBC and WGN are any example). >=20 > I have long since given up on AM Stereo and I concede the MW band=20 to talk > radio and niche formats, but I can't let your comments about sound=20 quality > stand. > AM-HD radio sounds like a low bit rate Real Audio stream. and=20 couldn't hold > a candle to AM before the NRSC mask went into effect (or even=20 after the NRSC > mask on many well engineered stations). > I've said it before and I'll say it again. While appreciate the=20 fact that=20 > you take > time to read forums like AMSF, and reply, for the past 2 years you=20 have been > nothing more than a shill for Ibuquity and for a seriously flawed=20 system. > I hope they paid you lots of money because your repuation hasd=20 suffered. > -Jim- > HI JIM!!! I agree with you about the HD, maybe, won't be a solution to the AM=20 band, because a lot of technical reasons. But I want to add something I read time ago. Please, I don't want to=20 mean Tom or another HD defender are right totally; I only want to=20 say... we must think about the following comparison: Which is better? Chemical (analog) photograph? or Electronic=20 (digital) photograph? Today, most of the world has a digital photograph camera, because=20 it's popular, relatively cheap and it doesn't have the annoying=20 chemical developing process. But, again the question: Which is better? If you ask it to the professional photographers, I guess they'd tell=20 you: "Chemical is absolutely better, because it has more resolution=20 quality" (the silver bromide crystals of the normal ASA 100 35 mm=20 negative film are so, so, so smaller than the most smallest pixel we=20 can get today). In fact, the worst negative mini-film (110 format)=20 has twice or more amount of chemical crystals per inch compared with=20 a 10 Megapixeles camera (unfortunately, the standard 110 format=20 cameras don't have a good optic system). But the common people doesn't care about the quality. They only want=20 to "take a picture". So, despite of the quality, today the digital=20 photograph win largely. Even, a lot of cell phone models have a self digital camera, but...=20 don't talk about the quality, please!!! I still have an old Canon AE-1, 35 mm film, camera and I still take=20 some photos with it; but it's absolutely inconvenient the amount of=20 money I have to pay with each film developing process compared with=20 my "new" Kodak digital camera, because I don't have pay any (I only=20 have to connect it to the PC). Maybe, please read right, MAYBE, the same thing will pass with the=20 AM radio stations: despite the quality, the digital system will win=20 ONLY because it will be popular (if it get to become popular). But, I think, it will take a long, long, long time to get it. If Tom is right and the HD radio win, we must "to accustom" to the=20 new "pixelated digital sound stream". But I really hope quality analog sound will impose its authority=20 (remember the last audio amplifier and the speakers are still ANALOG=20 DEVICES, hahahahaha!!!). And, to be consecuent with my wishes, I fixed all the audio problems=20 in "my" station today. No more hum noise, no more hissssssss and no=20 more treble distortion (I lowered the high frecuencies of the=20 graphic equalizer, hehehehe). I only hope next Monday, when my boss=20 return, nobody changes the settings, hahahahahaha!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 17 16:56:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98600 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2007 23:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2007 23:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.56) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2007 23:56:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2007 23:56:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2007 23:56:24 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 23:56:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.110.243 From: "Kevin T." Subject: OK guys, cool it... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=bn5xWBDY5ljq_N4dfwiTm4UvTmYEJvNdy1S_H6i5y6WZmjSGBw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics All this talk about HD Radio is just preaching to the choir. We all=20 know it has many flaws -- many more than analog AM Stereo ever had. If you look back through the archives, every aspect of it has been=20 discussed in length in this forum before. At this point, the best we=20 can do is wait until nighttime IBOC goes into effect, and then report=20 what we hear, both on analog AM receivers as well as on HD Radio=20 receivers, for those who have them. *Then* we'll have something new=20 and relevant to discuss. Alright? Kevin Tekel Co-moderator of The AM Stereo Forum From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 17 17:00:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97995 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2007 00:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2007 00:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.109) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2007 00:00:16 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n12.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2007 00:00:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2007 00:00:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2007 00:00:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 00:00:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.109 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.110.243 From: "Kevin T." Subject: OT: Great speakers for cheap at Radio Shack X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=noSJVlHrwRP1QLxp9hTL_l2hosmlWlyIhh1YgBHwSKZ2ly5pZQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I just picked up a pair of these speakers, and for $29.97, you=20 absolutely can't be the audio quality! They are sold as wireless=20 speakers which require a separate wireless transmitter to work, or=20 you can take out the wireless receiver circuitry and just use them as=20 regular speakers. They are out of stock for online order, but you=20 can check Radio Shack's web site to see if any stores in your area=20 have them. Here's a link with more info: http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermail/broadcast/2007-June/055029.html From chrysafis74@comcast.net Mon Jun 18 10:21:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: chrysafis74@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19630 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2007 17:21:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2007 17:21:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc11.comcast.net) (63.240.77.81) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2007 17:21:01 -0000 Received: from office (c-68-37-195-197.hsd1.nj.comcast.net[68.37.195.197]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2007061816293701100cluf9e>; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:29:37 +0000 Message-ID: <004701c7b1c5$dd3266d0$0601a8c0@office> To: Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:29:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000750-1, 06/18/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 63.240.77.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Harris AMS-G1 Manual Scans X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=312222918; y=sjRAwNwgdExAQusGZl-i6cYZ6NM6imfBY_Cuz66feuiC X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Found copies of everything else i need. still looking for scans of manual for this AM Stereo Exciter. Thank You, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hunterdonfree From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Jun 18 21:55:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57954 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2007 04:55:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2007 04:55:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.216) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2007 04:55:49 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2007 04:54:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2007 04:54:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 04:54:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.30 From: "jotape1960" Subject: A technical question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=qprzwZPSYGbYgEhdKttKZBljQagZ94QUitTXh6y8TRbO4EHx6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI GANG!!! I think the best proof about analog AM signal is a very good signal=20 is... the thousands of FM Stereo stations around the world!!! What?=20 Yes, I don't want to rediscover the wheel but it's true: any FM=20 Stereo station is the best proof to declare the analog AM signal is=20 a very good signal, because the L-R component of any Stereo=20 Encoder/Generator modulates the envelope of the 38 kHz sub-carrier,=20 with the old pure, and excellent, Amplitude Modulated system!!! So, to try to get more AM signals (hehehehe), I have a=20 technical "digital" question to the most advanced brains in the=20 forum: I know there is a commercial PCI card (computer hardware) which can=20 decode any kind of AM signal from an antenna signal conected to it.=20 And it does the job all in the "software domain". So, I wanna know=20 if that kind of "digital process" is possible through the Internet=20 Web stream. In other words, I wanna know if we can to decode a direct AM signal=20 (with a low frecuency carrier, maybe?) transmitted by Internet with=20 some special software. If somebody knows something about, please, let me know. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jun 19 18:55:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92963 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2007 01:55:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2007 01:55:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.213) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2007 01:55:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2007 02:00:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2007 01:55:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 01:55:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.110.243 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: A technical question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=zwOaB6uZMMg4cGGcUrc6NtZ9RT9-cHj24c7IO9d2EzHWKZqxrw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I know there is a commercial PCI card (computer hardware) which can=20 > decode any kind of AM signal from an antenna signal conected to it.=20 > And it does the job all in the "software domain". Some AM/FM PCI-card radio tuners do exist, but I do not believe these=20 are true software-based receivers. Most likely they are computer- controlled analog tuners, especially since the ones I know of were=20 made in the mid-1990s. Also, due to the obvious interference=20 generated inside of a computer, the AM reception of these cards is=20 generally poor. Actually, now that I think about it, these AM/FM tuner cards were=20 probably were all ISA cards, not PCI. So unless you have a computer=20 old enough to have an ISA slot, it'll be useless anyway. From dolphin@strangeanimals.net Thu Jun 21 12:58:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: dolphin@strangeanimals.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2157 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2007 19:58:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2007 19:58:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.23) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2007 19:58:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2007 19:56:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2007 19:56:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:56:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.15.76.194 From: "amradiozebra" Subject: Slightly off topic, but important for radio fans. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184419589; y=Z1yf6_2Mhc3nq-XzwtgSOJzRuL5NXlDVxROAYPjTpRDp-iUFYDOdDWA X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiozebra http://action.freepress.net/campaign/lpfm That link will point you at an online petition for supporting the "communit= y radio act" which=20 would enable local low power FM broadcasting, and diverse points of view an= d music. I think all radio lovers should sign the petition and show support. Thanks, and I do hope this isn't considered "spam". From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Jun 22 05:56:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99388 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2007 12:56:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2007 12:56:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2007 12:56:16 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.197]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 185256867-1881964 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 07:48:22 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c7b4cc$3d0def80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 07:52:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SpamDetect: ****: 4.100000 SpamUrl=4.1 X-SpamUrl: freepress.net X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet ip=64.61.220.197 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Slightly off topic, but important for radio fans. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=KemMVRcjy_BjFmxxrIMrQfZgcOagyLpoJ7Arbo0fHJ3FD-Lr2lMM X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Having been part of the movement since before it was authorized, I can say I'm underwhelmed by what became of it. First was the strictly non-com nature of it. Second, most groups weren't cohesive enough to put a station on the air, and those were the ones who tended to be the most vocal about it. They are the types who want something for nothing and may not even do anything with what they're given. To wit, my friend Keith Hammond did a lot of pro-bono work for a number of groups who were too damn lazy to use the info they were *given* and file with the FCC! Consequently over half of the originally authorized LPFMs went to church groups. All kinds of Seventh Day Adventists got stations around MN and they're all pretty much taking a Lifetalk network feed. A shining example of what could be done in the church station realm, however, is one in Menominee, WI. It sounds like any college rock station you might hear, but the music is all by Christian artists. Unfortunately they're very much the exeption in the entire universe of LPFM rather than the rule. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "amradiozebra" > http://action.freepress.net/campaign/lpfm > > That link will point you at an online petition for supporting the "community radio act" which > would enable local low power FM broadcasting, and diverse points of view and music. > > I think all radio lovers should sign the petition and show support. > Thanks, and I do hope this isn't considered "spam". > From raynor_jeff@yahoo.com Sat Jun 23 05:16:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: raynor_jeff@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75854 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2007 12:16:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2007 12:16:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web35903.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.179.187) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2007 12:16:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 9857 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jun 2007 12:16:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: aXVW5oIVM1n5zdUWOSSA2uRkYSz7gl_JFqhN9ZndY584DRvx18xw3af4uLwyoznwA_x0lKNrHCJ3EtwJitT1.4XNMvCn2Riv23KOMgJrNun4kYlgy8qFVxMhxSKv3A-- Received: from [71.0.80.147] by web35903.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 05:16:06 PDT Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 05:16:06 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <291405.8085.qm@web35903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.179.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio Reply-To: Jeff@1600WXMY.com Subject: Re: Slightly off topic, but important for radio fans. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=221315206; y=zhHrofaLvJkpocyFc4vFyTCy8Nw7M25n3MGnT8mhHM6CMRD9Uqo X-Yahoo-Profile: raynor_jeff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting thread... off topic? Maybe, but good anyway. I am the owner of an AM station and have owned another AM/FM combo group as well. I was originally opposed to the idea of LPFM stations, believing that they would all be applied for and used like the religious groups use their translators--which come under what I believe is a totally different set of rules than us "real" broadcasters do. I fail to understand why a non-commercial AM station somewhere in California can have a string of FM translators from California to Maine and down to Florida, and my AM station which is commercial cannot. I also fail to understand why a station in Florida needs a translator in Wisconsin, or Oklahoma, or Virginia. Are parts of those states blocked from the main signal and need a "fill-in"? I'm sorry... but if the rules have changed, or if I don't understand them, please forgive me, but I only comment on what I see. For awhile, there were "satellators" which primarily were for religious networks to use like a translator but were fed by statellite. I believe those are not licensed anymore, but the ones that are there can stay. The rules should be the rules... whether it be for a non-com, or commercial station. It's confusing and just not fair. Non coms have the same money making potential as any commercial station... just listen to them-- "Programming on WZZZ is provided by a grant from the Blah Company on 123 Main Street in Downtown USA." No, it's not a commercial, but they sound more and more like them all the time--I've even heard some of these underwriting announcements with music and lots of fanfare. I would love to have applied for an LPFM, but the rules as I understand them say that I cannot because I also own a commercial AM station. I guess I could have lied and had my wife or mother apply for it and then let me "operate it", but I'm not that kind of guy. I believe in doing it right and being honest. Apparently others do not. Oh, and I was also of the understanding that all programming on LPFM's was supposed to be locally produced. That means it doens't come off a bird somewhere and from some other place. Locally produced means playing it all out of your automation system locally, no? I guess if you record it into your automation system and play it, that's ok... stretching it, but ok. Hate to say it, but after having been in this business since I was 15 years old, (and I turn 45 next month) I'm ready to sell my station and get out. The business is just too stupid anymore with crazy rules like they are. Hey, buddy... wanna buy a radio station? Jeff Raynor, Owner WXMY-AM Saltville, VA --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jun 23 06:48:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40087 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2007 13:48:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2007 13:48:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2007 13:48:42 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.195.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.195]) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1I25yf-0000uS-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 09:48:37 -0400 Message-ID: <467D250B.9010903@peoplepc.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 09:50:03 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Macintosh/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <291405.8085.qm@web35903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <291405.8085.qm@web35903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Slightly off topic, but important for radio fans. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=mTqKEdQwq5FbbxikA7HF1FNdwJIGs4SZqz2A5FIRYyBQEop7Larai3cn_Hzaew X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio wrote: > Hey, buddy... wanna buy a radio station? I would LOVE to own WXMY if I could get 50,000 Watts on a tight Directional Aimed right at Fountain Inn, SC and HD-Radio on it in the all Digital mode... Kevin in the Ocala National Forest From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jun 23 07:02:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80053 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2007 14:02:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2007 14:02:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2007 14:02:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 29004 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jun 2007 14:01:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Ti_vUZYVM1m6ZliFRsBYeNrQgvvH7JIleKJdMCkiCOYHSSH8K9ik15oWgmlWtC9jzHxFRXUu1Q-- Received: from [209.213.19.3] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 07:01:13 PDT Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 07:01:13 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <291405.8085.qm@web35903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <134469.27962.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Slightly off topic, but important for radio fans. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=m8-7xaRJhgZgUnD7EXpm4-g6azjl6cLXltw8Tyg_ZQU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio wrote: > Interesting thread... off topic? Maybe, but good > anyway. > I fail to understand why a non-commercial AM > station somewhere in California can have a string of > FM translators from California to Maine and down to > Florida, and my AM station which is commercial > cannot. Not true. WBCU 1460 in Union SC was granted one. > I also fail to understand why a station in Florida > needs a translator in Wisconsin, or Oklahoma, or > Virginia. Are parts of those states blocked from the > main signal and need a "fill-in"? LOL Jeff! > Hate to say it, but after having been in this > business since I was 15 years old, (and I turn 45 > next month) I'm ready to sell my station and get > out. The business is just too stupid anymore with > crazy rules like they are. Hey, buddy... wanna buy a > radio station? I DON'T BLAME YOU, but now there are instances where a translator was given to a stand alone AM because of night coverage problems. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jun 23 07:03:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12349 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2007 14:03:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2007 14:03:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2007 14:03:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 29645 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jun 2007 14:03:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WIB18kcVM1kog7MLloYJ4i4H3AtYORSV9xnXWL3n.E.rwJIkoSEPT6mbAg4qypH9O5DY9n0h3A-- Received: from [209.213.19.3] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 07:03:39 PDT Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 07:03:39 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <467D250B.9010903@peoplepc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <649472.28324.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Slightly off topic, but important for radio fans. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=VgVsHGs7fwuu3rwS-WgRL-dstfsAjIKkGrR_IqeAhsQ X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio wrote: > > Hey, buddy... wanna buy a radio station? > > I would LOVE to own WXMY if I could get 50,000 Watts > on a tight > Directional Aimed right at Fountain Inn, SC and > HD-Radio on it in the all Digital mode... LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL !!!!! Powell (covered with wolf pup spit!) NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jun 23 07:17:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24529 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2007 14:17:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2007 14:17:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2007 14:17:30 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.195.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.195]) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1I26QZ-0005Yf-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:17:28 -0400 Message-ID: <467D2BCE.6040904@peoplepc.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:18:54 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Macintosh/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <649472.28324.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <649472.28324.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Slightly off topic, but important for radio fans. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=67Ow8YHPqopQ-sDBT_rdZYNLyh9AiUWc60gXENk7oqFW66U97NFsLxIFxxsQvg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL !!!!! > Yup, my offer still stands: I will do all of the engineering to install HD-Radio at WDAB 1580 if they run it in the most robust mode, and do all of the work for FREE! If I hit the lotto, I would even buy the equipment! > Powell (covered with wolf pup spit!) > Aww, ain't that CUTE! I may be in South Carolina in a Week or so, Wanna go pet Wolves together? Possum From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Jun 23 08:03:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60243 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2007 15:03:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2007 15:03:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2007 15:03:01 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.199]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 185525137-1881964 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:02:33 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c7b5a8$274dece0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <291405.8085.qm@web35903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:06:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.799000 Discusses money making=2.8 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.199 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Slightly off topic, but important for radio fans. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=u-DuGg1YBTT_QR-fQyjQTCl8cIo5a6fXMX8hfMPDdbZZ5fAxo79R X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio" > > I am the owner of an AM station and have owned another AM/FM combo group as well. I was originally opposed to the idea of LPFM stations, believing that they would all be applied for and used like the religious groups use their translators--which come under what I believe is a totally different set of rules than us "real" broadcasters do. LPFMs are greatly limited in terms of ownership. However, you'll get a lot of similarity between stations such as the SDA's since they primarily all carry Lifetalk, which is an SDA-oriented network, and individual Calvary Chapel stations which carry primarily CSN. > > I fail to understand why a non-commercial AM station somewhere in California can have a string of FM translators from California to Maine and down to Florida, and my AM station which is commercial cannot. This is an entirely unrelated to your first paragraph but an interesting point and sore spot for many. > > I also fail to understand why a station in Florida needs a translator in Wisconsin, or Oklahoma, or Virginia. Are parts of those states blocked from the main signal and need a "fill-in"? Originally there were some folks up in Homer AK who wanted a Moody-type station, and the rules were originally modified to allow satellators for markets which weren't large enough to support a full-fledged station. Unfortunately the FCC didn't put enough restrictions into who could own what and where the signals could be placed, so now we have the mess we're in. > > I'm sorry... but if the rules have changed, or if I don't understand them, please forgive me, but I only comment on what I see. For awhile, there were "satellators" which primarily were for religious networks to use like a translator but were fed by statellite. I believe those are not licensed anymore, but the ones that are there can stay. The rules have been changed and satellators are still very much alive and available during the right filing windows. > > The rules should be the rules... whether it be for a non-com, or commercial station. It's confusing and just not fair. Non coms have the same money making potential as any commercial station... just listen to them-- "Programming on WZZZ is provided by a grant from the Blah Company on 123 Main Street in Downtown USA." No, it's not a commercial, but they sound more and more like them all the time--I've even heard some of these underwriting announcements with music and lots of fanfare. I don't see why you couldn't apply for a satellite station yourself. WBZ had WBZA as a 1kW fill-in signal in Springfield, MA. I don't believe those rules have changed. I know there's a commercial FM in Lynchburg, VA which is a satellite of a station in Roanoke. Full power satellite TV stations are still very much alive and well. > > I would love to have applied for an LPFM, but the rules as I understand them say that I cannot because I also own a commercial AM station. I guess I could have lied and had my wife or mother apply for it and then let me "operate it", but I'm not that kind of guy. I believe in doing it right and being honest. Apparently others do not. There may have been a few instances of that, but not many. > > Oh, and I was also of the understanding that all programming on LPFM's was supposed to be locally produced. That means it doens't come off a bird somewhere and from some other place. Locally produced means playing it all out of your automation system locally, no? I guess if you record it into your automation system and play it, that's ok... stretching it, but ok. Not quite- it's rather akin to the AM stereo preference in the expanded band many years ago. IE, it would only count if there were mutually exclusive applications- the group promising a certain percentage of local programming a week would get preference as would an op who promised AM stereo back then. Lacking an MX, the only applicant would get the channel, assuming the FCC saw them as a fit licensee. > > Hate to say it, but after having been in this business since I was 15 years old, (and I turn 45 next month) I'm ready to sell my station and get out. The business is just too stupid anymore with crazy rules like they are. Hey, buddy... wanna buy a radio station? Just keep it as local as possible and you'll keep on trucking. Please resist the temptation as you actually do have a few options open to you. Scott Todd From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jun 23 16:29:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33878 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2007 23:29:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2007 23:29:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.159) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2007 23:29:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 59373 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jun 2007 23:28:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: M3SP88oVM1mgO_FNnKTA7Glw8r2oWOn0S3rM_5cL3c4RjgX839z8hw2QKNml.ZtkGj8rq0khVg-- Received: from [209.213.18.127] by web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:28:55 PDT Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:28:55 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <467D2BCE.6040904@peoplepc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <107082.59368.qm@web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: wolf petting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=OPCQybpwo88JUtxHg0g83z2vqIK5D2YEAv-J6yfg6HI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > Powell (covered with wolf pup spit!) > > > > Aww, ain't that CUTE! I may be in South Carolina in > a Week or so, Wanna > go pet Wolves together? Only on weekends. I am going up to Full Moon Farm this weekend to play with the pup. He's in Black Mountain now. I don't have a lot of free time during the week. It's called WKDK. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Jun 23 22:13:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20629 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2007 05:13:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2007 05:13:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.187) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2007 05:13:16 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n5.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2007 05:13:16 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2007 05:13:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2007 05:13:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 05:13:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003701c7b5a8$274dece0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.59 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Slightly off topic, but important for radio fans. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Ymqu9BsJOBAePlb6mDkqul0p6zSi80dgknMUEEYRaja1hkaTdg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio" >=20 > > Hate to say it, but after having been in this business since I=20 was 15 > years old, (and I turn 45 next month) I'm ready to sell my=20 station and get > out. The business is just too stupid anymore with crazy rules like=20 they are. > Hey, buddy... wanna buy a radio station? >=20 > Just keep it as local as possible and you'll keep on trucking.=20=20 Please > resist the temptation as you actually do have a few options open=20 to you. >=20 > Scott Todd > Come on, boys!!! The radio business is... a business!!! Even the "non-comercial"=20 stations (somebody must pay the bill and any church collects=20 offerings). Any business has top and low points. Any business has risks. The problem here is HOW TO DEFINE WHAT A BROADCASTER IS!!! Is he only a money collector? Is he only a preacher in a desert? Is he only a crazy man? Is he only a "communicator" (despite what the word means)? Is he only a "DJ"? I don't have a clear answer to that question. Do you? Here, in Chile, my country, we have a lot of LOW POWER FM STATIONS=20 and none of the "commercial" stations have died because of they. We=20 don't have any LOW POWER AM STATION here, because the AM band isn't=20 interesting to the broadcasters world and to the general public due=20 to the very, very, very, bad AM tuners quality you can get here (if=20 you get one!) and the terrible talk/news/sports format. So, I think we don't care about that kind of stations. I think we=20 must to care about the "commercial" AM stations and to try to change=20 their owners mind (and, adding, the best tuners quality, of course),=20 hahahahaha!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love P.S.: I'm proudly an Seventh Day Adventist member, but I'm not agree=20 with some "in the border" strategies some other church members often=20 use to get some... things. From raynor_jeff@yahoo.com Sun Jun 24 06:44:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: raynor_jeff@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21624 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2007 13:44:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2007 13:44:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web35914.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.179.198) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2007 13:44:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 28937 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jun 2007 13:43:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: hAHCG4wVM1kfe0lWkWLSQMYtIm2JSZpr4ALlY31by6kRS2oDSepRD12Rk0nRq3OUYw-- Received: from [71.0.80.147] by web35914.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 06:43:57 PDT Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 06:43:57 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <147604.26483.qm@web35914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.179.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio Reply-To: Jeff@1600WXMY.com Subject: Re: Slightly off topic, but important for radio fans. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=221315206; y=Bhpd0guVXsDbpbDYWtK8F9XDnYBCq83r1Z-J-JA58sVrnsIYvtU X-Yahoo-Profile: raynor_jeff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeff Raynor: > I fail to understand why a non-commercial AM station somewhere in California can have a string of FM translators from California to Maine and down to Florida, and my AM station which is commercial cannot. Scott Todd: >This is an entirely unrelated to your first paragraph but an interesting point and sore spot for many. Totally unrelated? Did you read my entire post??? Do you understand English??? Do you own, or have you ever owned a radio station??? Scott Todd: > I don't see why you couldn't apply for a satellite station yourself. WBZ had WBZA as a 1kW fill-in signal in Springfield, MA. I don't believe those rules have changed. I know there's a commercial FM in Lynchburg, VA which is a satellite of a station in Roanoke. Full power satellite TV stations are still very much alive and well. > Jeff Raynor: > I would love to have applied for an LPFM, but the rules as I understand them say that I cannot because I also own a commercial AM station. I guess I could have lied and had my wife or mother apply for it and then let me "operate it", but I'm not that kind of guy. I believe in doing it right and being honest. Apparently others do not. Scott Todd: >There may have been a few instances of that, but not many. Sorry, Scott, but you must be really sheltered if you think there are "few instances"--I know of instances where one of the big boys owned a bunch of stations somewhere, and created another holding company to own other stations so they could keep them all, but not fall under the ownership limit rule. A close friend of mine worked there--don't tell me it's a "few instances"--you and I both know that's just not true. Jeff Raynor: >> I fail to understand why a non-commercial AM > station somewhere in California can have a string of > FM translators from California to Maine and down to > Florida, and my AM station which is commercial > cannot. Powell E. Way III W4OPW" w4opw@yahoo.com W4OPW wrote: >Not true. WBCU 1460 in Union SC was granted one. Yeah, I looked it up. It's listed as W281AD on 104.1 and is "licensed and SILENT"... alot of good that one is doing them! And, I'm not sure I know what you mean as a "satellite station".... what class of station are you talking about? The term "satellite station" is not a term the FCC uses. Are you talking about an FM translator in Springfield, MA as a fillin for WBZ?? I need to investigate this myself. The FCC doesn't allow FM translators to be programmed by a commercial AM station. If someone is doing it, they are probably doing it illegally. And, which FM station in Lynchburg are you talking about as a "satellite" station of the main in Roanoke? I used to own 106.9 licensed to Bedford, VA with a fill-in translator on 97.3 in Vinton, VA. The fillin translator was because a mountain blocked about 1/4 of our main signal toward Roanoke. The only stations I can think of that you're mentioning was when K-92 (I think) owned a full power FM in Lynchburg and simulcast their signal on it--wasn't it 100.1? That's perfectly legal. No big secret to that one. You can simulcast any commercial FM on another commercial FM frequency (or AM for that matter), and you can program one AM to another AM, or many, but the rules say you can't put programming from an AM station on an FM translator--stupid. If you have a copy of the rule change, please let me know what it is and where I can find it. The only exception I know is for non-com AM's who file for those FM frequencies all over the country. I think you and I are talking about two different things here. And, maybe you guys aren't seeing a bigger picture here. You may defend the non-com AM's putting their programming on FM translators in every other state, but would that frequency not be put to better use by allowing local AM's to apply for and use those translator frequencies for local programming. I've heard FM translators in Virginia airing programming from an AM in California, complete with a local (California) weather forecast. Who in Virginia cares about the weather in California? That frequency would far better be served by a local AM who cares about their community and wants to program to it. Let's also not confuse translators with LPFM's. They're NOT the same thing. They are a different class of service. Check it out on the FCC website! To my knowledge, LPFM's are supposed to be LOCALLY programmed... not some satellite feed from Calvary Chapel's mother ship! Nothing against religious programming, but I'd expect the religious programmers to adhere to the rules--probably far more than anyone else. LPFM's and translators are very similar in power and coverage, but they are two different things. Plus, there are FM boosters, and FM translators--both can rebroadcast the main station. Boosters are on-frequency--often fed via microwave, and translators pick up the main on one channel and rebroadcast on another channel. possumhunter@peoplepc.com wrote: > "I would LOVE to own WXMY if I could get 50,000 Watts on a tight Directional Aimed right at Fountain Inn, SC and HD-Radio on it in the all Digital mode..." But, of course you know that there is currently a station on 1600 in Fountain Inn, SC, and there's no way you could get WXMY at 50kW aimed directly at that station... that's rather elementary, is it not? But if you want to buy WXMY, give me a call... we do have the application in for 23kW daytime. And, if you have the money to do more engineering, and want to build more towers, I'd sure welcome you to buy it and do so. Oh... and if you're in all digital mode, how do you propose to sell advertising to the majority of the businesses who don't own digital receivers, and if they can't hear it, they won't buy it? Digital AM might be a great idea, but it's terrible when no one can hear it, and will have to buy all new radios just to be able to do so. No thanks, give me my analog AM that reaches the masses just as it is. I'm not angry guys, I'm just tired of the crap and lies that seems to be inherent in this business. If the business was honest and done right, it would be great for everyone! Jeff Raynor, Owner WXMY Radio Jeff Raynor www.1600WXMY.com www.VoiceofJeff.com P.O. Box 5555 Chilhowie, VA 24319 276-496-0016 276-496-0005-fax --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From raynor_jeff@yahoo.com Sun Jun 24 06:55:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: raynor_jeff@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75547 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2007 13:55:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2007 13:55:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web35915.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.179.199) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2007 13:55:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 48952 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jun 2007 13:55:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: P2Zz7PwVM1n87wDVZ7cO8hBtAanTVSkOKIFHyIIgadHDaHC72VazBSQnGnC1cxjHA7iGsl8HRSqEw0yZwvn0C9D7Q1Oyo1XQ6tVxIHtaYqfYZ1nsn5.bl9cL2m1v9Q-- Received: from [71.0.80.147] by web35915.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 06:55:33 PDT Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 06:55:33 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <963632.46842.qm@web35915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.179.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio Reply-To: Jeff@1600WXMY.com Subject: Re: Slightly off topic, but important for radio fans. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=221315206; y=OF9JpHPgZv2nCe7BOuU8FjnR6Jgvyyl43YvGneKVzQ0CqZSLb8M X-Yahoo-Profile: raynor_jeff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Posted by: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" w4opw@yahoo.com W4OPW Sat Jun 23, 2007 7:02 am (PST) --- Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio wrote: > Interesting thread... off topic? Maybe, but good > anyway. > I fail to understand why a non-commercial AM > station somewhere in California can have a string of > FM translators from California to Maine and down to > Florida, and my AM station which is commercial > cannot. Not true. WBCU 1460 in Union SC was granted one. Ummm... I did some more research on your assertion that an AM station got an FM translator. Apparently WBCU-AM did not apply for the FM translator to retransmit its signal. The parent company, Georgia-Carolina Broadcasting Company applied for an FM translator for their station WEPC in Belton, SC, NOT for WBCU. The application itself says that the FM Translator will be fed from an off-air signal from WEPC. They might be running the programming from WEPC on WBCU, and also on the FM translator, but they cannot run programming from WBCU directly to the FM translator. And, the translator is off the air because it was located on top of an office building and causes so much interference, that they are having to relocate it. So, not much good it's doing to them now... Jeff Raynor www.1600WXMY.com www.VoiceofJeff.com P.O. Box 5555 Chilhowie, VA 24319 276-496-0016 276-496-0005-fax --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jun 24 07:39:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15169 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2007 14:39:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2007 14:39:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.158) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2007 14:39:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 48276 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jun 2007 14:39:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lZ7jGJwVM1mDpiQyGyDz1jZBAkbyQY9JzqUvl2yAU.7PjSI_PL96Hvd_Snwbf_iV_6Bw5EQ.fA-- Received: from [209.213.18.88] by web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 07:39:42 PDT Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 07:39:42 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <147604.26483.qm@web35914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <42311.47783.qm@web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Slightly off topic, but important for radio fans. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Q_DLp0sLV-Ar2JoQGlftxqiAS911GLIa4pKafzIINXw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio wrote: Jeff, Scott Todd is a very well respected broadcast engineer. > Powell E. Way III W4OPW" w4opw@yahoo.com W4OPW > wrote: >Not true. WBCU 1460 in Union SC was granted > one. > > Yeah, I looked it up. It's listed as W281AD on > 104.1 and is "licensed and SILENT"... alot of good > that one is doing them! It was just recently granted and isn't built and on yet. > And, I'm not sure I know what you mean as a > "satellite station".... what class of station are > you talking about? The term "satellite station" is > not a term the FCC uses. Are you talking about an FM > translator in Springfield, MA as a fillin for WBZ?? No they actually had,for many years a synchronous transmitter on 1030 as a fill in. WBT in Charlotte had one also. They ended up purchasing the Chester, SC FM and simulcasting WBT on it to fill in the very deep night null toward Gastonia, NC. They used to do different day programming but Arbitron wouldn't count the night simulcast in the numbers unless they simulcasted 100%. > I need to investigate this myself. The FCC doesn't > allow FM translators to be programmed by a > commercial AM station. That is simply not true. I think there's an AM in Kentucky that also was allowed a translator. This is a very new development. > > Let's also not confuse translators with LPFM's. We aren't. > But, of course you know that there is currently a > station on 1600 in Fountain Inn, SC, and there's no > way you could get WXMY at 50kW aimed directly at > that station... that's rather elementary, is it not? He knows that. Let him tell you the RRRRRRRRest of the story in private mail. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jun 24 07:54:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4486 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2007 14:54:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2007 14:54:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.162) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2007 14:54:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 64733 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jun 2007 14:54:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: L7AcEFEVM1nE4WMn431c2fb8MhvV7Ymu80vcQTFFIy88aF05aI.UfnoLr9mvuJ7XVdzyVtooZkcSZ3hrX2LJGVZeQyf7nIs45cM9ImLR7TduqYusIwS.AZx5OTLmUg-- Received: from [209.213.18.88] by web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 07:54:36 PDT Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 07:54:36 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <963632.46842.qm@web35915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <156318.64102.qm@web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Slightly off topic, but important for radio fans. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=NQdlq3Jg7hxMEcFmqdgJn8s2IxFp0vQVnyEWqaTix2g X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio wrote: > Posted by: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" w4opw@yahoo.com > W4OPW Sat Jun 23, 2007 7:02 am (PST) > --- Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > Interesting thread... off topic? Maybe, but good > > anyway. > > I fail to understand why a non-commercial AM > > station somewhere in California can have a string > of > > FM translators from California to Maine and down > to > > Florida, and my AM station which is commercial > > cannot. > > Not true. WBCU 1460 in Union SC was granted one. > > > Ummm... I did some more research on your assertion > that an AM station got an FM translator. Apparently > WBCU-AM did not apply for the FM translator to > retransmit its signal. The parent company, > Georgia-Carolina Broadcasting Company applied for an > FM translator for their station WEPC in Belton, SC, > NOT for WBCU. THAT IS 100% incorrect. GACA does not own WEPC. It is a noncomm on 88.5 owned by Toccoa Falls College. WEPC is in Belton, SC with 50KW. I know the corporate owner well. He sold WBCU to the current GM last year and that may be something. I was told by folks in the know there about it. It may not be in the FCC records yet. If I get a chance I'll find out the complete thing. I think the FCC would give them the translator instead of going after the Spanish 1460 (WBCU's frequency) in Atlanta that likes to leave it up on 5000 watts instead of the night flea power. They have complained about it for years and you don't see any fines for that station on the record, now, do you? I Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Jun 24 09:04:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10648 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2007 16:04:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2007 16:04:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2007 16:04:23 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.237.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.237]) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1I2UZW-0001BW-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 12:04:19 -0400 Message-ID: <467E965A.5060303@peoplepc.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 12:05:46 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Macintosh/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <963632.46842.qm@web35915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <963632.46842.qm@web35915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Slightly off topic, but important for radio fans. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=Uo1d4LU4nSSrAqNibitL3GFli6yR-aHfNSj8SqnzRsoa3IOAZiVRosTUXfDlRw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio wrote: > Apparently WBCU-AM did not apply for the FM translator to retransmit its signal. The parent company, Georgia-Carolina Broadcasting Company applied for an FM translator for their station WEPC in Belton, SC, NOT for WBCU. WEPC is a Bible Banger owned by Toccoa Falls Bible College and it has an interesting story. Matt Phillips who at the time owned WRIX-AM-FM donated the old WRIX-FM Tower in Honea Path to WEPC thinking he was helping a Non-Com, getting a Tax break, and good media exposure. He didn't feel a Non-Com would be any threat to his commercial stations. Well, when WEPC hit the air, the VERY FIRST thing they did was go around and strip a bunch of churches off of WRIX by offering them lower rates and a bigger signal! Matt told me he wished many times over he had of kept that tower. WEPC cost WRIX a pile of money, and put WHPB off of the air. Personally, I think the FCC should get ALL of these NPR and Bible Bangers off of the Non-Com channels and ONLY allow these channels to be used for teaching Broadcast Students, Community Radio, Books for the blind, Home School lessons, and that sort of thing...and limit the power to 500 Watts. Kevin in the Ocala National Forest From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Jun 24 09:30:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91607 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2007 16:30:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2007 16:30:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2007 16:30:39 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.107.237.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.107.237]) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1I2Uyo-00061H-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 12:30:27 -0400 Message-ID: <467E9C7A.8070701@peoplepc.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 12:31:54 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Macintosh/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <42311.47783.qm@web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <42311.47783.qm@web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Slightly off topic, but important for radio fans. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=aTVZ-UUjYPXNrLnKLuLj_1fnPE8DwpiAFCk__km1G9T3C29GIoZaXeVBZfMQBQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio wrote: >Let's also not confuse translators with LPFM's. We are not. LPFMs are not allowed to be owned by an owner of a full power radio station, and must be locally owned. > >But, of course you know that there is currently a station on 1600 in Fountain Inn, SC, and there's no way you could get WXMY at 50kW aimed directly at that station... that's rather elementary, is it not? I know that, but thoughts of REVENGE against the Slime-Ball that owns WFIS 1600 in Fountain Inn do make me smile! Take a look at the coverage maps of 1000 Watt WFIS 1600 in Fountain Inn and 5000 Watt WDAB 1580 in Traveler's Rest, SC. WDAB's .5 mV/m Signal contour is in WFIS's COL. WDAB's 2.5 mV/m signal is right in East Greenville, in WFIS's "Money Zone" where the advertisers are. Wouldn't 5000 Watts of 40 kHz IBOC Hiss sound GREAT on 1600 in these areas? Now do you understand more why I keep making the offer: I will do all of the engineering and work required absolutely FREE of charge to convert WDAB 1580 to HD-Radio if they agree to use the most Digitally robust mode. If I had the money, I would buy the needed equipment too! Kevin in the Ocala National Forest From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jun 24 15:03:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74142 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2007 22:03:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2007 22:03:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.253) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2007 22:03:44 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n30.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2007 21:58:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2007 21:58:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2007 21:58:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:58:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <147604.26483.qm@web35914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.253 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.32.244 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Slightly off topic, but important for radio fans. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=OtJcFiVAY7116OI_VgG2hIZhTbJPsfypVqM99enLwSmLUEer X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio wrote: > Sorry, Scott, but you must be really sheltered if you think there are "few instances"--I know of instances where one of the big boys owned a bunch of stations somewhere, and created another holding company to own other stations so they could keep them all, but not fall under the ownership limit rule. A close friend of mine worked there--don't tell me it's a "few instances"--you and I both know that's just not true.=20 [The mousie squeeks!] It's already being done with LPTV here in Humboldty County, CA! (ie: Eureka Television Group.....) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jun 25 06:28:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8692 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2007 13:28:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2007 13:28:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2007 13:28:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 75814 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jun 2007 13:28:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wQIIu0IVM1k4HVsaqHH83iXIcWxZWUph4wNiHePfVxOK_.FFyQGFVpQqkPbPVHSU3xu5Da8kw_0lNbZGGfgPLG6RwLEzINQ4j.nSzyXe7X6lJ2IBBqEQrOlNoQ-- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 06:28:17 PDT Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 06:28:17 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <460998.75793.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: Slightly off topic, but important for radio fans. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=AwKB-RLfHFHFX916fj5_agMEjlmOdyQUQk_8wbDYek2l0cDQ23VGVkw X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio The NAB is actually on-board with asking the FCC for translator stations on FM for daytimer AM stations and other AM stations having low nighttime power. There is an FCC filing on it already, and it's the first time I've seen the NAB do anything I agree with since about 1990. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon Jun 25 18:32:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78845 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2007 01:32:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2007 01:32:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2007 01:32:16 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.236]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 184005016-1881964 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:31:51 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c7b792$688e1a40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <147604.26483.qm@web35914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:36:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 1, in=2, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.236 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Slightly off topic, but important for radio fans. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=GZWj4qrV8yPE_8gFzCk20Che5ktZ1NVQUUUpEYlGcB2NPcDfO0-u X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Where is it written that unless you're on FM you'll sink like a rock? You could put up a network of AM stations and as long as it was regionally relevant, I believe you'll do OK. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio" > > Scott Todd: > I don't see why you couldn't apply for a satellite station yourself. WBZ > had WBZA as a 1kW fill-in signal in Springfield, MA. I don't believe those > rules have changed. I know there's a commercial FM in Lynchburg, VA which > is a satellite of a station in Roanoke. Full power satellite TV stations > are still very much alive and well. > > > Jeff Raynor: > I would love to have applied for an LPFM, but the rules as I understand > them say that I cannot because I also own a commercial AM station. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon Jun 25 18:37:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86874 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2007 01:37:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2007 01:37:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2007 01:37:06 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.236]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 182821442-1881964 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:37:00 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c7b793$216cc340$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:41:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 2, in=4, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.236 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Slightly off topic, but important for radio fans. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=k5wAa0PLwTFiyHI6wn2bu3MNA8EGETCAW_PNnU-L2-pY2LvWKTwu X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'm not as familiar with the LPTV rules, but I don't think the restrictions are nearly as onerous as LPFM. I've seen single groups create large numbers of stations in a region, not necessarily the same market. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio > wrote: > > > Sorry, Scott, but you must be really sheltered if you think there > are "few instances"--I know of instances where one of the big boys > owned a bunch of stations somewhere, and created another holding > company to own other stations so they could keep them all, but not > fall under the ownership limit rule. > [The mousie squeeks!] It's already being done with LPTV here in > Humboldty County, CA! (ie: Eureka Television Group.....) From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Jun 27 23:16:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39679 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2007 06:16:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2007 06:16:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.214) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2007 06:16:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2007 06:16:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2007 06:16:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 06:16:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.34 From: "jotape1960" Subject: AM All-Time Digital Audio questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=hYD5cdxiuhPo7CPzaA4H2-V1Efzyrn7ttQ5nhir2VwfIg9nk7Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI GANG!!! I want to know if there is/are station(s) transmitting with the "new"=20 digital (IBOC) system 24 hours a day and what has been the listeners=20 opinion and if there had been technical "details" (or problems). What=20 are the opinions from the Canadian side at night? What about the local=20 small village stations rating compared with the "new" signals? Thanks a lot for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jun 28 05:54:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96812 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2007 12:54:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2007 12:54:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.153) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2007 12:54:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 40196 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jun 2007 12:54:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: S5Eb_MsVM1mYm6Dxs2Bsd.tl6MtfIWYw2xYLnEQSQREJJUev3qBHRgazWKxCRQrJGEi_sFl88w-- Received: from [209.213.19.134] by web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:54:10 PDT Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:54:10 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <512883.39950.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM All-Time Digital Audio questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=wAFjVZmvOXFdbDU-LZVBUUHe6QAiiXBdKogO8AEP5ek X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jotape1960 wrote: > HI GANG!!! > > I want to know if there is/are station(s) > transmitting with the "new" > digital (IBOC) system 24 hours a day and what has > been the listeners > opinion and if there had been technical "details" > (or problems). What > are the opinions from the Canadian side at night? > What about the local > small village stations rating compared with the > "new" signals? > > Thanks a lot for your time!!! > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! NOT YET. It's been approved for night time however the order has to appear in the Federal Register first ( and so far it has not) and then it's legal 30 days afterwards. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jun 28 06:24:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 543 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2007 13:24:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2007 13:24:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2007 13:24:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 88632 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jun 2007 13:24:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0SbCeNcVM1m1Pq2XkTNRvNHK52pmBcrE_rX2gCYvtjyB4QX6kOvwg7RMH_7I1GpitbXWwoaIo_zDV8NoDdbwtgclj8Ec79D778Z8N9rOreC3zpStTx6jpVhdDQ-- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 06:24:48 PDT Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 06:24:48 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <593502.87853.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re:AM All-Time Digital Audio questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=yP2zpPApwc7vPvAEibPExBghUmQvBqfqDlaziVN57j0lHVOXOgnTJMY X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Other than the IBOC HD 'test' on 1530 AM at night about two years ago, I have not heard the buzzsaws on AM at night yet - the stations here have been pretty good about turning it off within 30 minutes of when they are supposed to. On the other hand, I'm sad to report that a good stereo AM music station has been going to night pattern one hour TOO early lately. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ From jimmyyearwood@hotmail.com Mon Jul 02 21:16:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimmyyearwood@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59545 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2007 04:16:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2007 04:16:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11e.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.71) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2007 04:16:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2007 04:16:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2007 04:16:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 04:16:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.142.119 From: "jimmyyearwood" Subject: The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226592358; y=7vsblv66LNWszm0-UnL_C07YlEaDhJMHy9KAtNHlqyvSt3-SRzmwPA X-Yahoo-Profile: jimmyyearwood I'd be willing to bet there are a lot more people listening through=20 their computers via live stream or podcasting then over the air. If not=20 there will be before too long..besides...who wants to listen to a show=20 at a set time? Most folks don't even watch television that way anymore=20 because of TiVo and other similar devices. The broadcasting industry is=20 about to change in a major way. Forget IBOC as I'd be willing to bet it=20 goes over about as well as AM stereo did..The future of radio is=20 podcasting. Ten years from now people will look at AM/FM radios like we=20 look at 8-track decks today. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jul 03 05:46:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73051 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2007 12:46:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2007 12:46:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2007 12:46:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 42856 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jul 2007 12:46:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: PdPbj7QVM1kD5UdypkV71SB1jt.Yred_XWaPJk3JeIlmQ.Mvg7p0hlv8ggtrXkJ25icIX0KRA.KsUkH6_vu5AKMA3Yx_cgRCVL3Zyd.d3fCHjh442_E8foPewQ-- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 05:46:27 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 05:46:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <366929.18009.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re:The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=1xATI2Y33pT9BSobWK7CS3J8azbDbVYjsFtWzaEAlLlEC5wHxDjMDmU X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio jimmy wrote: "...Forget IBOC as I'd be willing to bet it goes over about as well as AM stereo did..." Nope, AM Stereo was (is) a bigger success than IBOC/HD on AM. The Detroit Big3, plus Toyota, Mitsubishi, Pioneer, Kenwood, Sherwood and Sony ALL made CAR RADIOS with AM Stereo. Many of these are still in use and more AM stations broadcast in CQUAM (and/or Kahn, Harris and Magnavox) than what are using HD-AM today. CQuam goes to stereo in 1 second while HD takes about 5-7 seconds. CQuam works hundreds of miles at night and throught the total analog service area during the day; meanwhile, HD works UNDER 100 miles during the day. In addition, since every radio that has HD-FM also has HD-AM, it should be an even bigger success, but it isn't. Please don't say that HD Radio is the next AM Stereo, because CQuam AM Stereo IS a much bigger success than HD-AM. Also, IMO, a CQuam AMAX stereo radio SOUNDS much more pleasant than HD-AM radio, even in stereo HD-AM. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Jul 03 07:08:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80500 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2007 14:08:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2007 14:08:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2007 14:08:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 21720 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jul 2007 14:07:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Hh2PYjUVM1krEtEeMzTUrdAsMF1CeNnXlm7zx3Vo194RNRiB_Hu6SecAuIbg4LvPCkNLiJOQRg-- Received: from [209.213.19.87] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:07:52 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 07:07:52 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <363735.18246.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=gFvVZAU7rCP9-yx1tCrTuFuIeyCksxVm_1ZeciDn-Zk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jimmyyearwood wrote: > I'd be willing to bet there are a lot more people > listening through > their computers via live stream or podcasting then > over the air. NOT !! Ratings prove it. In the future, who knows. If not > there will be before too long..besides...who wants > to listen to a show > at a set time? More than you imagine. > Most folks don't even watch > television that way anymore > because of TiVo and other similar devices. Wrong again. "Some" would be the word. Podcasts won't give you severe weather alerts in a timely fashion if at all. If things get really bad your internet connection is gone if the weather is bad and your power is off. Real RF sent through the air will be the way to get the messages out in time of disaster. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From raynor_jeff@yahoo.com Tue Jul 03 09:09:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: raynor_jeff@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35257 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2007 16:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2007 16:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web35906.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.179.190) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2007 16:09:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 89698 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jul 2007 16:09:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: bxh1ndgVM1lPy7fC9QrRnLkWc1jC5gAwez1OPWzDELr2Tj1c51LjRUm2kWIr1H5ulhrxvwWFITjykNFEt5JQpbAORd2wxCWF4.Eszi4msuu0.nd3zHQ- Received: from [71.0.80.147] by web35906.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 09:09:32 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:09:32 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <194401.89226.qm@web35906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.179.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio Reply-To: Jeff@1600WXMY.com Subject: Re:The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=221315206; y=usq1J16FK2-zrhzRBhcS5XbXD3FtLWp8ECsDtPXnqRPwnxnfyH0 X-Yahoo-Profile: raynor_jeff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Jimmy for your vote of confidence. There are many of us who work at, or in my case, own radio stations who try each and every day to be local in our presentation, community oriented and entertaining. I think your assertion is totally wrong. You think more people listen to podcasts than listen to the radio? From what turnip truck did you just fall from? I can safely say that if I continue to read crap like this on this forum by people who probably have never worked in the business--or maybe have never even set foot in the door of a radio station, I will drop my membership from it like a hot rock! Maybe I should anyway... Oh. Jimmy... one more thing? If people don't know what time their favorite program comes on, how do they know where to look for it to set the "record" on their TiVO? And, how do you know whether or not to carry the umbrella when you're listening to some prerecorded podcast from six weeks ago, or watching a TiVO'd newscast? I'm reeeeaaallly curious to hear your answer. Jeff Raynor, Owner WXMY Radio Saltville, VA Jeff Raynor www.1600WXMY.com www.VoiceofJeff.com P.O. Box 5555 Chilhowie, VA 24319 276-496-0016 276-496-0005-fax --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Jul 03 10:04:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66432 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2007 17:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2007 17:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.163) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2007 17:04:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 17616 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jul 2007 17:04:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LWNaG7cVM1lLje5Vm4xhgoBTQeb1IMRQ.Dy0NQGMVJCQGcF35itX7axTf8smJEANhhSSvUKiwA-- Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 10:04:03 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:04:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <194401.89226.qm@web35906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <649215.17153.qm@web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=dAWqjN91zT5fbmF0DVy_McK_KR3xV0rIIvgwkaxsl6U X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio wrote: > Thanks, Jimmy for your vote of confidence. There are > many of us who work at, or in my case, own radio > stations who try each and every day to be local in > our presentation, community oriented and > entertaining. I think your assertion is totally > wrong. You think more people listen to podcasts than > listen to the radio? From what turnip truck did you > just fall from? Jeff, he hasn't a clue. I'm at WKDK and we do local news, local sports...Newberry High School and Newberry College games on the air, weather. Music is not from satellite, but from the hard drive. We pick out what's played, not a music scheduliing software package. > I can safely say that if I continue to read crap > like this on this forum by people who probably have > never worked in the business--or maybe have never > even set foot in the door of a radio station, I will > drop my membership from it like a hot rock! Maybe I > should anyway... Don't go. > Oh. Jimmy... one more thing? If people don't know > what time their favorite program comes on, how do > they know where to look for it to set the "record" > on their TiVO? And, how do you know whether or not > to carry the umbrella when you're listening to some > prerecorded podcast from six weeks ago, or watching > a TiVO'd newscast? I'm reeeeaaallly curious to hear > your answer. I live so far out there's no cable or DSL. The "dish" stuff has such poor quality it only looks good on a 13 inch set max. Except for some talk, I listen to WKDK mostly. Can't get WMXY down this far south.....yet! Powell @WKDKK NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From jimsmith@vfr.net Tue Jul 03 14:59:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47423 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2007 21:59:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2007 21:59:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.23) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2007 21:59:53 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2007 21:59:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2007 21:59:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 21:59:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.32.74.174 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=XjWnztu0enzCWwRjcjHdjJ2L-zA8VmdimMLGeJiw3d5OFzqVh_DqRA X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimmyyearwood"=20 wrote: > > I'd be willing to bet there are a lot more people listening through=20 > their computers via live stream or podcasting then over the air. If=20 not=20 > there will be before too long..besides...who wants to listen to a=20 show=20 > at a set time? Most folks don't even watch television that way=20 anymore=20 > because of TiVo and other similar devices. The broadcasting=20 industry is=20 > about to change in a major way. Forget IBOC as I'd be willing to=20 bet it=20 > goes over about as well as AM stereo did..The future of radio is=20 > podcasting. Ten years from now people will look at AM/FM radios=20 like we=20 > look at 8-track decks today. > Hi Gang I hard long ago when TV started to be populer some said it=20 was the end of radio. As we can see that did not happen!!!! Jim smith From jimmyyearwood@hotmail.com Tue Jul 03 15:45:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimmyyearwood@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31332 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2007 22:45:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2007 22:45:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.205) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2007 22:45:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2007 22:44:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2007 22:44:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:44:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <194401.89226.qm@web35906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.142.119 From: "jimmyyearwood" Subject: Re:The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226592358; y=0uIHvcFZbuVwJBy7QMUjDMmaru5DhqNSCtGrVU7_qWiYqCvqVmTYUw X-Yahoo-Profile: jimmyyearwood --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio=20 wrote: "how do you know whether or not to carry the umbrella when you're=20 listening to some prerecorded podcast from six weeks ago, or watching=20 a TiVO'd newscast/" I can get the weather including color radar in about 3 sec on my cell=20 phone any time I want to. "...people who probably have never worked in the business--or maybe=20 have never even set foot in the door of a radio station.." I was in the business for a bit over ten years. "You think more people listen to podcasts than listen to the radio?=20 From what turnip truck did you just fall from?" How many young people (especially teenagers) do you see walking=20 around with portable radios? They all have MP3 players. Go into a store sometime such as Target or Walmart and see how many=20 MP3 and CD players are available vs AM/FM radios. "If people don't know what time their favorite program comes on, how=20 do they know where to look for it to set the "record" on their TiVO?" You don't have to know. All you have to do is tell it the show you=20 want. It sets the timer itself. > Thanks, Jimmy for your vote of confidence. There are many of us who=20 work at, or in my case, own radio stations who try each and every day=20 to be local in our presentation, community oriented and entertaining.=20 I think your assertion is totally wrong. >=20 > I can safely say that if I continue to read crap like this on this=20 forum by people who probably have never worked in the business--or=20 maybe have never even set foot in the door of a radio station, I will=20 drop my membership from it like a hot rock! Maybe I should anyway... >=20 > Oh. Jimmy... one more thing? If people don't know what time their=20 favorite program comes on, how do they know where to look for it to=20 set the "record" on their TiVO? And, how do you know whether or not=20 to carry the umbrella when you're listening to some prerecorded=20 podcast from six weeks ago, or watching a TiVO'd newscast? I'm=20 reeeeaaallly curious to hear your answer. >=20 > Jeff Raynor, Owner > WXMY Radio > Saltville, VA >=20 >=20 > Jeff Raynor=20 > www.1600WXMY.com=20 > www.VoiceofJeff.com=20 > P.O. Box 5555=20 > Chilhowie, VA 24319=20 > 276-496-0016=20 > 276-496-0005-fax >=20=20=09=20 > --------------------------------- > Looking for earth-friendly autos?=20 > Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Jul 03 16:25:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85356 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2007 23:25:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2007 23:25:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.130) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2007 23:25:14 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2007 23:25:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2007 23:25:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2007 23:25:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 23:25:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <363735.18246.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.144.106.84 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=zJ-UL-7n9cKBMOo9-Wz3PQMv8CdWZ_ovFx2B4LkJ0uM-_4Y X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane This thread reminds me of why I got into Radio, and sadly why it is dying a slow death. Some small market stations have it right, but then again there are many of those that think running 3 or 4 local newscasts read from the local paper and running Satellite the rest of the day will make them competitive. Sadly I hope these idiots get out of the Broadcasting business and go back to selling vacuum cleaners or used cars. Broadcast stations are a business, but some are run by bean counters who don't know HOW to run a Broadcast facility. The rules were loosened, and clusters became the wave, cutting costs and staff, and cutting corners on programming. Gee, I wonder why among the young Terrestrial Radio is in a hurt. Yep folks, every obit is one less listener. Yes....more people listen to over the air Radio, but the share of terrestrial radio is slowing down its growth, and in some cases is going backwards. Again, this is a society of instant gratification, and ipods and Internet do provide an "instant" way to listen. JUst telling you the way it is. Don't believe me ? Ask a few kids or young adults. Powell, you mention weather. Good point. but how many stations would totally miss the boat if they didn't have EAS ? There are so few that are staffed at night. The crying of the stations owners is.....but we can't afford it.....well turn in your damn license and let someone else who knows what they are doing try it. If it still can't make money, turn it off. Stop causing interference to other stations that CAN make money.=20 Hey, I love Radio. I have been doing it for 25 years. But the landscape is changing. No longer can stations make money by coming up with stupid gimmick formats every 18 months. These idiots have put short term gain ahead of reason, and a long term plan just for a quick fix. The stations that will make it are the ones that have a long term plan. Local News, Local Sports, Local Talk. Something the listeners can't get from ipods, sat or the Internet. It's the start to a successful enterprise. Imagine that ! Give the peope what they want. Juan Ft. Pierce --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > >=20 > --- jimmyyearwood wrote: >=20 > > I'd be willing to bet there are a lot more people > > listening through=20 > > their computers via live stream or podcasting then > > over the air. >=20 > NOT !! Ratings prove it. In the future, who knows.=20 >=20 >=20 > If not=20 > > there will be before too long..besides...who wants > > to listen to a show=20 > > at a set time? >=20 > More than you imagine.=20 >=20 > > Most folks don't even watch > > television that way anymore=20 > > because of TiVo and other similar devices. >=20 >=20 > Wrong again. "Some" would be the word.=20 >=20 >=20 > Podcasts won't give you severe weather alerts in a > timely fashion if at all. If things get really bad > your internet connection is gone if the weather is bad > and your power is off. Real RF sent through the air > will be the way to get the messages out in time of > disaster. >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Jul 03 16:40:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8810 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2007 23:40:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2007 23:40:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.153) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2007 23:40:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 15361 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jul 2007 23:40:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Ap0AEjwVM1lJeRRRxPuh61m8A0IrXG6BHHTmKs.ChLPNi.rCqfjYHfMlqKPFvb6d0PQ8OjfIqw-- Received: from [209.213.19.39] by web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:40:43 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:40:43 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <669451.13350.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=xrcxCDso06W0OUES555XTNdu-2RcdbxD2g6eO9DtqKw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jimmyyearwood wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Raynor - > WXMY Radio > wrote: > > "how do you know whether or not to carry the > umbrella when you're > listening to some prerecorded podcast from six weeks > ago, or watching > a TiVO'd newscast/" > > I can get the weather including color radar in about > 3 sec on my cell phone any time I want to. WRONG!!! The first thing to fail in a weather related or other emergency is cell service. Same for internet. Folks during Katrina relied on WWL 970 in New Orleans. > "...people who probably have never worked in the > business--or maybe > have never even set foot in the door of a radio > station.." > > I was in the business for a bit over ten years. It sounds like you didn't learn anything. > "You think more people listen to podcasts than > listen to the radio? > From what turnip truck did you just fall from?" > > How many young people (especially teenagers) do you > see walking > around with portable radios? They all have MP3 > players. They don't listen to MP3 players for the football or basketball games. Young people haven't a CLUE as a generality as to what good audio sounds like. Mpeg 3 is most certainly not. > Go into a store sometime such as Target or Walmart > and see how many > MP3 and CD players are available vs AM/FM radios. I have seen some. WalMart for the most part, as well as KMart and Target have CRAP for audio devices. > "If people don't know what time their favorite > program comes on, how > do they know where to look for it to set the > "record" on their TiVO?" > > You don't have to know. All you have to do is tell > it the show you> want. It sets the timer itself. And if you live in BFE and want quality video? Forget it. Dish Network and those other little dishes have extremely bandwith reduced video. It's exceptionally painful on a 27 inch TV . Large screens well ghastly. Jeff is right. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From jimmyyearwood@hotmail.com Tue Jul 03 16:55:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimmyyearwood@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4284 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2007 23:55:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2007 23:55:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.114) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2007 23:55:24 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2007 23:55:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2007 23:55:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2007 23:55:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 23:55:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <669451.13350.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.142.119 From: "jimmyyearwood" Subject: {AMSF} Re:The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226592358; y=dc6JVvPCnTM3az2jdAaXrarPuPI825wdb1VviCwv3JK79qPcKxL9OA X-Yahoo-Profile: jimmyyearwood > WRONG!!! The first thing to fail in a weather > related or other emergency is cell service. Same for > internet. Folks during Katrina relied on WWL 970 in > New Orleans.=20 > They don't listen to MP3 players for the football or > basketball games. Young people haven't a CLUE as a > generality as to what good audio sounds like. Mpeg 3 > is most certainly not.=20 Agreed. MP3 sounds AWFUL...but.. Let me get this right. You are saying the radio is important for=20 emergencies and for sports. I couldn't agree with you more. What=20 about the other times when there is no game or disaster? Do you think=20 there could be enough sales during the game to keep a station going? I don't dislike radio..I love it. I'm very sad I see it rapidly=20 deteriorating. From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Jul 03 17:13:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65505 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2007 00:13:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2007 00:13:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.245) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2007 00:13:47 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n27.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2007 00:13:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2007 00:13:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2007 00:13:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 00:13:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <669451.13350.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.245 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.144.123.111 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re:The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=hYQrtO-Ggw3Qt0TZXWtoxzPge55kW6nimyq_Zy8UV9B8V2Y X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Powell wrote: =20 > WRONG!!! The first thing to fail in a weather > related or other emergency is cell service. Same for > internet. Folks during Katrina relied on WWL 970 in > New Orleans.=20 >=20 Powell, WWL 870 Failed big time. I was listening when they went off. They were invaluable after the storm, but during (actually before KAtrina hit) they went off and didn't return for at least a day or two.=20 I get your point though. I was on the air with our staff non stop during and after Hurricanes Frances & Jeanne. We were direct hit with TWO Hurricanes within 3 weeks of each other. Management actually dropped all advertising after the first storm for a week. Most were without power, like myself for 20 some days that month. Of course, we had a GM who gave a s*** and had backup generators. The cheap stations were off for days...and good for them. When it came time to walk the walk, they were sucking wind.. Cell service and phone was back within days, sometimes hours. Electric took a Loooong time. Juan From jimmyyearwood@hotmail.com Tue Jul 03 17:21:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimmyyearwood@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28175 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2007 00:21:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2007 00:21:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2007 00:21:14 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2007 00:20:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2007 00:20:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2007 00:20:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 00:20:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <366929.18009.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.142.119 From: "jimmyyearwood" Subject: Re:The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226592358; y=2NzR8xi85dc-yhF7PVOvI9IbBqqKOjkL1wPTIha2ZgCLN_5yo5dYVg X-Yahoo-Profile: jimmyyearwood --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: Agreed, but try to find an AM stereo capable radio. Walk up to ten=20 people at random and ask then if they have an AM stereo radio...or=20 even better ask a few stereo shop sales people if they have one=20 available. I'd discovered most of the time they say there is no such=20 thing. I agree that it does sound a hell of a lot better. I find (with a=20 good clean signal) AM stereo sounds better then FM..IBOC sounds awful=20 to me. At 96KBs how could it not? > jimmy wrote: "...Forget IBOC as I'd be willing to bet it=20 > goes over about as well as AM stereo did..." >=20 > Nope, AM Stereo was (is) a bigger success than IBOC/HD on AM. The > Detroit Big3, plus Toyota, Mitsubishi, Pioneer, Kenwood, Sherwood=20 and > Sony ALL made CAR RADIOS with AM Stereo. Many of these are still in > use and more AM stations broadcast in CQUAM (and/or Kahn, Harris and > Magnavox) than what are using HD-AM today. CQuam goes to stereo in=20 1 > second while HD takes about 5-7 seconds. CQuam works hundreds of=20 miles > at night and throught the total analog service area during the day; > meanwhile, HD works UNDER 100 miles during the day.=20=20 >=20 > In addition, since every radio that has HD-FM also has HD-AM, it=20 should > be an even bigger success, but it isn't. >=20 > Please don't say that HD Radio is the next AM Stereo, because CQuam=20 AM > Stereo IS a much bigger success than HD-AM. Also, IMO, a CQuam AMAX > stereo radio SOUNDS much more pleasant than HD-AM radio, even in=20 stereo > HD-AM. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your=20 story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > http://sims.yahoo.com/ > From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Jul 03 19:05:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33681 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2007 02:05:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2007 02:05:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.9) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2007 02:05:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2007 02:05:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2007 02:05:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 02:05:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <194401.89226.qm@web35906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.144.123.67 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re:The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=0JfXTQ4EQYm3JRo-Z_OgVgt8Uz5nVYDlw9KUWkD-QXRK-jg X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Jeff, No offense, but you obviously don't own a Tivo. You don't need to know what time a show is on to have it record for you. You might want to try it sometime. It's really neat. It actually has made my Wife and I watch more TV.=20 As far as weather, you have a great point, but trusting a local Radio station who simply uses the NWS is like reading the time from someone else's Watch. Other than that, great positive points about Radio. Juan > Thanks, Jimmy for your vote of confidence. There are many of us who work at, or in my case, own radio stations who try each and every day to be local in our presentation, community oriented and entertaining. I think your assertion is totally wrong. You think more people listen to podcasts than listen to the radio? From what turnip truck did you just fall from?=20 >=20 > I can safely say that if I continue to read crap like this on this forum by people who probably have never worked in the business--or maybe have never even set foot in the door of a radio station, I will drop my membership from it like a hot rock! Maybe I should anyway... >=20 > Oh. Jimmy... one more thing? If people don't know what time their favorite program comes on, how do they know where to look for it to set the "record" on their TiVO? And, how do you know whether or not to carry the umbrella when you're listening to some prerecorded podcast from six weeks ago, or watching a TiVO'd newscast? I'm reeeeaaallly curious to hear your answer. >=20 > Jeff Raynor, Owner > WXMY Radio > Saltville, VA >=20 >=20 > Jeff Raynor=20 > www.1600WXMY.com=20 > www.VoiceofJeff.com=20 > P.O. Box 5555=20 > Chilhowie, VA 24319=20 > 276-496-0016=20 > 276-496-0005-fax From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Jul 03 19:23:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79557 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2007 02:23:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2007 02:23:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.213) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2007 02:23:23 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2007 02:23:13 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2007 02:23:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2007 02:23:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 02:23:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <194401.89226.qm@web35906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.144.123.67 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re:The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=-cwVMULlGxPj1xXnPTysEB4ompyunSIRxyC06nXNd-30n-k X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Raynor - WXMY Radio wrote: > I can safely say that if I continue to read crap like this on this forum by people who probably have never worked in the business--or maybe have never even set foot in the door of a radio station, I will drop my membership from it like a hot rock! Maybe I should anyway... >=20 Stick around Jeff.... Small market Radio is what "fun" is left in Radio.=20 Yes others and myself may disagree with certain points, but man you have what many will never have, so stick around, grow some thick skin, learn from some, laugh with (and at) others and you will be fine. I have been in Radio too long, and I have opinions, and you know what they say about opinions.....heck we all have opinions, but that doesn't make us right or wrong. I would be honored to one day visit your station, and help in any way I can. Best of luck Jeff.....You obviously know what your doing, just keep it up. Juan Ft. Pierce From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Jul 04 00:12:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60592 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2007 07:12:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2007 07:12:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.60) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2007 07:12:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2007 07:12:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2007 07:12:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 07:12:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.15 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re:The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=XqYzKEzt8kO3inZGetfEWasJnMaFPOxrH2fFo7ef_eglrEfLYQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI GANG!!! Excuse me about my following words, because my reality isn't your=20 reality at all, but I think it's good to notice the difference. In my culture, chilean culture specifically, radio is a very, very=20 useful tool to the home, office, work, etc. Why? Because a very=20 large group of people doesn't have enough money (and time) to get a=20 lot of the radio free services (free music, free sports, free news,=20 free emotional help, etc.) theirself. Some examples: 1) Music: An standard CD music is around $ 5,000.00 (five thousands=20 chilean pesos, around eight US dollars). In the USA culture US$ 8=20 is... almost nothing, but in the chilean culture this amount of=20 money is an important amount of money (is a typical one day job).=20 So, an standard chilean family must to think twice if they want to=20 have the last music collections. Solution? They use the phone, call=20 the radio, asking for a song and they can listen their favourite=20 music absolutely free (and, maybe, they can save it in their MP3s). 2) Sports: If you can see the typical chilean soccer games, you=20 can't see a full stadium. Why? Because the tickets aren't cheap.=20 Solution? People listen the game... in the radio!!! This is the main=20 reason because Chile isn't the World Soccer Champion, hahahahaha!!! 3) News: Specially local news. How can the people know where is the=20 last local fire? In the radio!!! 4) Emotional help: I can fill a lot of pages about this item, but=20 you know what it is: somebody is sad, tired, stressed, etc. and=20 he/she needs some help, some free help, some desperate help. Where=20 can he/she find it? In the radio!!! And so on... I can't see any reason to see a different future. When TV became a reality in Chile, a lot of people thoughts: "It's=20 the end of the radio". It never happened. Now there's a "good" TV=20 services and a "good" radio services and nobody has died!!! I know and I can see a lot of young people with their MP3s in their=20 ears but, if I ask them about where they get that music... I bet you=20 the answer: "I COPIED THAT FROM THE RADIO" I think our problem wouldn't be the future of the radio: WE MAKE THE=20 FUTURE NOW, TODAY. And all my thoughts are concentrated in the TODAY=20 RADIO and I feel so sad about how some broadcasters seem to not=20 understand how much wrong they are with their business. I insist it isn't a technical problem, it's only a marketing problem. IF THE TODAY RADIO IS BAD, THEN THERE WON'T BE A FUTURE. But, if the=20 today radio changes and recover their old glory... the future will=20 be "splendorous". GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Jul 04 04:58:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53001 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2007 11:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2007 11:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.33) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2007 11:58:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 41735 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jul 2007 11:58:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ccYK0EcVM1mcu701NccuiEUgmquvKN1bOP8xbvvdKDTtSMfkf8AyoB9UXE75A2hm7KHfMRRDFvzaOhSGJcUk_SZLpkF7FctgpJnXmKCwuSmQWZqilYOJR_E6Uf2Lkz3quDmgfqxBFQ-- Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 04:58:22 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 04:58:22 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <398676.41204.qm@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=IODGWnAjWuP7cedpVHjB3cmc0IkXEyVwOdhs757dMGfyGkD7Nyo5 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Juan, CD's in the US currently sale for around $15 new so more than you thought! The $8 would be something in the bargin bin. -Kevin --- jotape1960 wrote: > HI GANG!!! > > Excuse me about my following words, because my > reality isn't your > reality at all, but I think it's good to notice the > difference. > > In my culture, chilean culture specifically, radio > is a very, very > useful tool to the home, office, work, etc. Why? > Because a very > large group of people doesn't have enough money (and > time) to get a > lot of the radio free services (free music, free > sports, free news, > free emotional help, etc.) theirself. > > Some examples: > > 1) Music: An standard CD music is around $ 5,000.00 > (five thousands > chilean pesos, around eight US dollars). In the USA > culture US$ 8 > is... almost nothing, but in the chilean culture > this amount of > money is an important amount of money (is a typical > one day job). > So, an standard chilean family must to think twice > if they want to > have the last music collections. Solution? They use > the phone, call > the radio, asking for a song and they can listen > their favourite > music absolutely free (and, maybe, they can save it > in their MP3s). > > 2) Sports: If you can see the typical chilean soccer > games, you > can't see a full stadium. Why? Because the tickets > aren't cheap. > Solution? People listen the game... in the radio!!! > This is the main > reason because Chile isn't the World Soccer > Champion, hahahahaha!!! > > 3) News: Specially local news. How can the people > know where is the > last local fire? In the radio!!! > > 4) Emotional help: I can fill a lot of pages about > this item, but > you know what it is: somebody is sad, tired, > stressed, etc. and > he/she needs some help, some free help, some > desperate help. Where > can he/she find it? In the radio!!! > > And so on... > > I can't see any reason to see a different future. > > When TV became a reality in Chile, a lot of people > thoughts: "It's > the end of the radio". It never happened. Now > there's a "good" TV > services and a "good" radio services and nobody has > died!!! > > I know and I can see a lot of young people with > their MP3s in their > ears but, if I ask them about where they get that > music... I bet you > the answer: "I COPIED THAT FROM THE RADIO" > > I think our problem wouldn't be the future of the > radio: WE MAKE THE > FUTURE NOW, TODAY. And all my thoughts are > concentrated in the TODAY > RADIO and I feel so sad about how some broadcasters > seem to not > understand how much wrong they are with their > business. > > I insist it isn't a technical problem, it's only a > marketing problem. > > IF THE TODAY RADIO IS BAD, THEN THERE WON'T BE A > FUTURE. But, if the > today radio changes and recover their old glory... > the future will > be "splendorous". > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jul 04 07:14:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18560 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2007 14:14:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2007 14:14:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.153) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2007 14:14:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 97423 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jul 2007 14:12:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HbVohjUVM1lNbzdhhE2myUQoKZgUznty.f2bQ19Mr7W0F3sNNlgzLqsZWmLaJH3zGtu5xolh.w-- Received: from [209.213.19.99] by web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 07:12:03 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 07:12:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <869037.96363.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=j8uI0F5hyCpL1HreVm2OzMm4VOtz13XWh8IlESmy67s X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Juan Gualda wrote: > Jeff, > As far as weather, you have a great point, but > trusting a local Radio > station who simply uses the NWS is like reading the > time from someone else's Watch. Well, when I am at WKDK I use the good WX radar to my benefit. I even can interpret the storm radial velocity mode, and with that you can spot rotation or even tornadoes. I am a weather nut and storm chaser. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Wed Jul 04 07:30:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76687 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2007 14:30:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2007 14:30:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2007 14:30:25 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2007 14:30:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2007 14:30:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2007 14:30:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 14:30:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <869037.96363.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.144.123.67 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re:The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=Zv59VGresWGQ2kxUSixRhNrmKCngNtfAWofcqhrNV6UAXdY X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > Well, when I am at WKDK I use the good WX radar to my > benefit. I even can interpret the storm radial > velocity mode, and with that you can spot rotation or > even tornadoes. I am a weather nut and storm chaser. Powell,=20 Do you have Skywarn training ? I did the training a few years ago, and I need to take a refresher. There are other trainings for spotters too. I am not a chaser, but I admit I have done it a couple times. The training may have saved my life. I would have driven right into a Tornado, If I had not known about wall clouds, rotation etc. I also had a pickup in the other direction flashing his lights to warn me. That was scary. It was in Muscatine, Iowa back in the 90s. THe wall cloud was over my head. it was surreal. I will not get into details, but it was a major outbreak that day. Glad to hear your station is doing good Weather. It will endear it to the audience. There are a few stations out there that still get it, and it makes me proud to be in the business when I hear them or hear about them. Juan From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jul 04 08:03:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46245 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2007 15:03:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2007 15:03:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2007 15:03:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 63278 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jul 2007 15:02:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZszmGBsVM1kxd9d6l1p.qDhP_kRY5v0kjWakULualxrUazGVYbVchb1Gn4.rQHYmieLYUZvL5g-- Received: from [209.213.19.99] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 08:02:49 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 08:02:49 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <647444.63130.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=hZjTKNCOvspytc27_Pm_0XX4V6XmSfYvz44OVG2qoZE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Juan Gualda wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > Well, when I am at WKDK I use the good WX radar > to my > > benefit. I even can interpret the storm radial > > velocity mode, and with that you can spot rotation > or > > even tornadoes. I am a weather nut and storm > chaser. > > > Powell, > > Do you have Skywarn training ? I did the training a > few years ago, and > I need to take a refresher. There are other > trainings for spotters > too. I am not a chaser, but I admit I have done it a > couple times. Yes, advanced. I took it for the record though the severe weather guy at NWS said I could actually teach the course. > Glad to hear your station is doing good Weather. It > will endear it to > the audience. There are a few stations out there > that still get it, > and it makes me proud to be in the business when I > hear them or hear > about them. Indeed. As a side note, I am not seeing my posts, but I do see replies to them for some reason. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jul 04 14:34:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3575 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2007 21:34:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2007 21:34:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.162) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2007 21:34:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 79269 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jul 2007 21:34:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QDjnjY4VM1kGIRf8MX7m2SG7lkzpBIC6zGqLKUgTTupDZ714yl01Todzdpxn3WUpUkGMzcVgxn.t66qUdEE1P6n1ttkOSoMHzBQ8spG1i3I2lqD4f0c- Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 14:34:51 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 14:34:51 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <366817.79019.qm@web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=MsJZ7OXBo_i4QmJFNY-fqCBVz2sKgvTA-RYoXExcgrw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Juan Gualda wrote: > Powell wrote: > > > WRONG!!! The first thing to fail in a weather > > related or other emergency is cell service. Same > for > > internet. Folks during Katrina relied on WWL 970 > in > > New Orleans. > > > > > > Powell, > > WWL 870 Failed big time. I was listening when they > went off. They were > invaluable after the storm, but during (actually > before KAtrina hit) > they went off and didn't return for at least a day > or two. They had some generator problem and couldn't get out there to get it corrected until after the storm had passed. As a side note, I've gotten all of my 4th of July Summer Fun music scheduled. wkdk.com Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Wed Jul 04 15:00:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69290 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2007 21:59:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2007 21:59:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.132) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2007 21:59:42 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2007 21:58:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2007 21:58:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2007 21:58:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 21:58:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <366817.79019.qm@web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.9.117.36 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re:The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=LZ06kti4ny9lICH_VhUPNmdtd1SW1ESdE-MmIaF04l6ZHHU X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane > As a side note, I've gotten all of my 4th of July > Summer Fun music scheduled.=20 >=20 >=20 > wkdk.com >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net I've heard lots of Ray Charles today, also Neil Diamond. Whats on your playlist Powell ? Juan From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jul 04 15:10:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85936 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2007 22:10:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2007 22:10:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.159) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2007 22:10:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 77664 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jul 2007 22:09:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XwdPzz8VM1mC4Tp8us0M1eR5bAuSm5qpn6A7DNB.0xRX2aULcZ4hqrCkI35t4j6rn0O8abyWiUVd29k3yRfjOBR3dw-- Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 15:09:30 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 15:09:30 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <493015.74754.qm@web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=hCzWslHGJBrX-XPmehLcKsr9T81ZIhfJMncQnwsohcY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Juan Gualda wrote: > > > As a side note, I've gotten all of my 4th of July > > Summer Fun music scheduled. > > > > > > wkdk.com > > > > Powell > > > > NNNN > > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > I've heard lots of Ray Charles today, also Neil > Diamond. Whats on your playlist Powell ? Anything that was summer. I had a list and just went down it, though a lot of the list is not in the Enco. I have a LOT of oldies at home on CD, and when I get more proficient I'll rip em in. I'm here for another 30 minutes at 803-276-2957. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Jul 04 17:32:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 551 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2007 00:32:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2007 00:32:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2007 00:32:24 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.150]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 188411390-1881964 for ; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 19:30:14 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <006801c7be9c$58521b20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 19:35:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet ip=64.61.220.150 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=Mbuw1lvge42-FvgAAuX_DjNyOXqy62q-GeHIeITdV3Nx3mrW8fsE X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Here, here! Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan Gualda" > > Stick around Jeff.... > > > I would be honored to one day visit your station, and help in any way > I can. > > Best of luck Jeff.....You obviously know what your doing, just keep it up. From droland66@yahoo.com Thu Jul 05 15:29:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35501 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2007 22:29:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2007 22:29:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.217) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2007 22:29:47 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2007 22:29:45 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2007 22:29:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2007 22:29:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 22:29:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <398676.41204.qm@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.217 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.188.117.15 From: "david roland" Subject: {AMSF} Re:The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=OGRfqiAJwOHai1v0S9PM6ipPAVHszWJF0JUPabeGoJJktxqF X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 In the US, if you don't mind waiting a couple of months for newer=20 releases, order in bulk from BMG Music Service. It will save you a=20 bundle as you can average $5-$7 per CD (or better) if you buy when=20 they have a sale. They don't have everything but they do have most=20 charting stuff and classics. David =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, clemsonbloke =20 wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > CD's in the US currently sale for around $15 new so > more than you thought! The $8 would be something in > the bargin bin.=20=20 >=20 >=20 > -Kevin >=20 >=20 > --- jotape1960 wrote: >=20 > > HI GANG!!! > >=20 > > Excuse me about my following words, because my > > reality isn't your=20 > > reality at all, but I think it's good to notice the > > difference. > >=20 > > In my culture, chilean culture specifically, radio > > is a very, very=20 > > useful tool to the home, office, work, etc. Why? > > Because a very=20 > > large group of people doesn't have enough money (and > > time) to get a=20 > > lot of the radio free services (free music, free > > sports, free news,=20 > > free emotional help, etc.) theirself. > >=20 > > Some examples: > >=20 > > 1) Music: An standard CD music is around $ 5,000.00 > > (five thousands=20 > > chilean pesos, around eight US dollars). In the USA > > culture US$ 8=20 > > is... almost nothing, but in the chilean culture > > this amount of=20 > > money is an important amount of money (is a typical > > one day job).=20 > > So, an standard chilean family must to think twice > > if they want to=20 > > have the last music collections. Solution? They use > > the phone, call=20 > > the radio, asking for a song and they can listen > > their favourite=20 > > music absolutely free (and, maybe, they can save it > > in their MP3s). > >=20 > > 2) Sports: If you can see the typical chilean soccer > > games, you=20 > > can't see a full stadium. Why? Because the tickets > > aren't cheap.=20 > > Solution? People listen the game... in the radio!!! > > This is the main=20 > > reason because Chile isn't the World Soccer > > Champion, hahahahaha!!! > >=20 > > 3) News: Specially local news. How can the people > > know where is the=20 > > last local fire? In the radio!!! > >=20 > > 4) Emotional help: I can fill a lot of pages about > > this item, but=20 > > you know what it is: somebody is sad, tired, > > stressed, etc. and=20 > > he/she needs some help, some free help, some > > desperate help. Where=20 > > can he/she find it? In the radio!!! > >=20 > > And so on... > >=20 > > I can't see any reason to see a different future. > >=20 > > When TV became a reality in Chile, a lot of people > > thoughts: "It's=20 > > the end of the radio". It never happened. Now > > there's a "good" TV=20 > > services and a "good" radio services and nobody has > > died!!! > >=20 > > I know and I can see a lot of young people with > > their MP3s in their=20 > > ears but, if I ask them about where they get that > > music... I bet you=20 > > the answer: "I COPIED THAT FROM THE RADIO" > >=20 > > I think our problem wouldn't be the future of the > > radio: WE MAKE THE=20 > > FUTURE NOW, TODAY. And all my thoughts are > > concentrated in the TODAY=20 > > RADIO and I feel so sad about how some broadcasters > > seem to not=20 > > understand how much wrong they are with their > > business. > >=20 > > I insist it isn't a technical problem, it's only a > > marketing problem. > >=20 > > IF THE TODAY RADIO IS BAD, THEN THERE WON'T BE A > > FUTURE. But, if the=20 > > today radio changes and recover their old glory... > > the future will=20 > > be "splendorous". > >=20 > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > >=20 > >=20 > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with=20 Yahoo! FareChase. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/ > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Jul 05 22:54:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81520 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2007 05:54:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2007 05:54:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.133) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2007 05:54:23 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2007 05:54:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2007 05:54:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2007 05:54:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 05:54:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.29 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re:The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=XXoaMO7tZ2P0FGIf2tErvGAZ7ck4XX4l2UCBIKwNtNzt1U6sbg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "david roland" =20 wrote: > > In the US, if you don't mind waiting a couple of months for newer=20 > releases, order in bulk from BMG Music Service. It will save you=20 a=20 > bundle as you can average $5-$7 per CD (or better) if you buy when=20 > they have a sale. They don't have everything but they do have=20 most=20 > charting stuff and classics. >=20 > David >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, clemsonbloke =20 > wrote: > > > > Juan, > >=20 > > CD's in the US currently sale for around $15 new so > > more than you thought! The $8 would be something in > > the bargin bin.=20=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > -Kevin > >=20 Yes, you're right!!! I was wrong about the CD normal price, here and=20 there, because I don't often buy CDs, hehehe!!! But, the central point here is... the AM radio has a very good=20 future IF... there is a very good change of "helm" today. A good point about the technical, supposed, improvements of HD: If=20 the car is the major place where the people listen radio (AM/FM), in=20 other words: the worst enviroment to listen audio, IS THE SOUND=20 QUALITY A PRIORITY? An aditional question: Can we use the same C-QUAM decoding chip=20 (with some external changes) to decode ISB? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3 Chile, South America, with love From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Jul 06 18:07:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92332 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2007 01:07:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2007 01:07:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2007 01:07:38 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.197]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 185724662-1881964 for ; Fri, 06 Jul 2007 20:07:32 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c7c033$e4f56120$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 20:11:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 4, in=8, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.197 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=S_KIWlpqVq3PdIFnakBCOY6Tw_kajldXBtSiAyRQedk-OPZQosCP X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Most people don't care if the sound is audiophile quality, just as long as it's fairly clean- ie, little or no static. As for your other question, I know it has been done, just don't remember how. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" A good point about the technical, supposed, improvements of HD: If the car is the major place where the people listen radio (AM/FM), in other words: the worst enviroment to listen audio, IS THE SOUND QUALITY A PRIORITY? An aditional question: Can we use the same C-QUAM decoding chip (with some external changes) to decode ISB? From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jul 08 03:22:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25172 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2007 10:22:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2007 10:22:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.216) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2007 10:22:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2007 10:22:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2007 10:22:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 10:22:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.11.74 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re:The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=jU2SMZd49ghr8lAFSwpy9OiIsrAQoikWCK9pxyfkO9T0xWzZ X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > An aditional question: Can we use the same C-QUAM decoding chip=20 > (with some external changes) to decode ISB? Yes- http://tinyurl.com/h824q Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Jul 08 22:37:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30663 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2007 05:37:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2007 05:37:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.209) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2007 05:37:55 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2007 05:37:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2007 05:37:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2007 05:37:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 05:37:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.23 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re:The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=MEgryxPqUZ7fyusife0sVCV4ccceex9t4OJtRBuQ7ecXxL_NNQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: >=20 > > An aditional question: Can we use the same C-QUAM decoding chip=20 > > (with some external changes) to decode ISB? >=20 > Yes- http://tinyurl.com/h824q >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Thank you so much for your help, Amy!!! I had seen it before but... I have some doubts about it, because it=20 is, basically, an audio matrix converter (and the differences=20 between C-QUAM and ISB are more "deep"). Do you have tested it? Does=20 it work? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jul 09 02:40:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20868 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2007 09:40:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2007 09:40:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.238) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2007 09:40:51 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n25.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2007 09:40:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2007 09:40:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2007 09:40:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:40:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.238 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.11.74 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re:The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=zQyYegVR3CWRG84sZCe_zowFo8rA5dwDCJznPbRcn6icMUd_ X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 > wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 > wrote: > >=20 > > > An aditional question: Can we use the same C-QUAM decoding chip=20 > > > (with some external changes) to decode ISB? > >=20 > > Yes- http://tinyurl.com/h824q >=20 > Thank you so much for your help, Amy!!! >=20 > I had seen it before but... I have some doubts about it, because it=20 > is, basically, an audio matrix converter (and the differences=20 > between C-QUAM and ISB are more "deep"). Do you have tested it? Does=20 > it work? The process works exactly the same in a Sony SRF-A100, and is the only way most single-detection ISB demodulators work. Thje difference between ISB and (C-)QUAM is actually negligable- Both are modulated in the same way except for the polarity of the L-R signal. ISB, like SSB, relies on phase cancellation to produce the independent sideband operation. C-QUAM and ISB can be rematrixed to each other with thew same matrix. The phase-shift network corrects the ISB-decoded audio so the left and right channels aren't 180 degrees out of phase. The BIG difference, which I don't think is addressed in that page, is that Kahn's ISB used a pilot tone of 15 Hz, rather than 25 Hz for C-QUAM. There is a pin on the C-QUAM chip for controlling the pilot detector, and a different value can be set. (I'd set it to 0 Hz so it goes stereo on carrier detection.) It's been years since I've seen the mod for ther pilot change, though. (BTW, that's why the SRF-A1/A100 uses two chips for the AM stereo circuit- One to demodulate the various systems and the other to rematrix and pipe through a PSN for ISB demodulation.) That's the nice thing about using a Motorola C-QUAM chip (Sony used a QAM/multimode chip, in-house), because ity has everything needed for multimode AMS operation- Envelope detector, two-channel (I/Q) synchonous detector, and a phase discriminator, which can double as an FM discriminator. Why, since C-QUAM uses an E/Q (Envelope/Quadrature) scheme? Self correction. :) Now why is the Motorola chip better? Because it has the additional cosine/tangent correction (to compensate for C-QUAM's need for compatibility and reduction of harmonic interference) as well as the AMAX de-emphasis & noise reduction circuits, plus the limiters to prevent over- and undermodulating the signal, which causes "thuds", thus regardless of system, a C-QUAM chip will deliver better performance than the original system of choice intended. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jul 10 06:39:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 536 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2007 13:39:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2007 13:39:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.161) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2007 13:39:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 68554 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jul 2007 13:38:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: jpyFtuwVM1mBuMdpR1axRfeq_RIMgQeXbdU_wMoW5wuVG_Ckhm3xPbpoN0F2RR.BePvswKVNj0gUc.j2wImBOuvryRp1clY8kG8OFyz3Dr3JYV6jiorTAkuGew-- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 06:38:41 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 06:38:41 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <966525.66513.qm@web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=SOVCt9hPx2kWaSGM8HbgvcWMiM_-rDC9mLCIGj7dT9w39dlkVWrNkuo X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio The non-Motorola chips decoding CQuam tended to have distortion when you had just one stereo channel modulated with heavy bass (typical on 60's recordings). I noted that the Fanfare tuner doesn't have this bass distrotion issue at all, in fact, the Fanfare sounds great in AM stereo with the 60's tunes from Sinatra and Martin with heavy bass stereo in just one channel. Long live CQuam and Kahn! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jul 10 07:00:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85060 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2007 13:59:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2007 13:59:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11e.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.71) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2007 13:59:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2007 13:57:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2007 13:57:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:57:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <966525.66513.qm@web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.11.74 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=WoRbCIEaYE3xWw4HHjF2o-YTVXQncsbexn3NfboN3RKKFmz4 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > The non-Motorola chips decoding CQuam tended to have distortion when > you had just one stereo channel modulated with heavy bass (typical on > 60's recordings). >=20 > I noted that the Fanfare tuner doesn't have this bass distrotion issue > at all, in fact, the Fanfare sounds great in AM stereo with the 60's > tunes from Sinatra and Martin with heavy bass stereo in just one > channel. >=20 > Long live CQuam and Kahn! The irony here is that had all the AM stereo systems used limiters- particularly negative-modulation limiters as what Motorola implemented- I'd be hard pressed to say that we wouldn't have been limited to just C-QUAM as a clear choice. Negative-mod limiting had been suggested as far back as 1960 by RCA when they published their paper on AM stereo, and Motorola was the only one to ever take that suggestion seriously. Or, to put it better, had they all taken the suggestion, the winner would've indeed been the Magnavox AM/PM system. It was the very thing with thudding- caiused by negative modulation- that caused some to balk at using the Magnavox system. It was Motorola's use of cosine correction that reduced harmonics which put the "compatible" in C-QUAM-- Compatible QUadrature AM. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jul 10 23:34:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48976 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2007 06:34:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2007 06:34:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.209) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2007 06:34:42 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2007 06:33:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2007 06:33:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2007 06:33:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 06:33:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.25 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=1FOLQeexDlSpL3--ZajwDMNH7tAN2xx0-XUnvoXkQ-pRGYF53g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." > wrote: > > > > The non-Motorola chips decoding CQuam tended to have distortion=20 when > > you had just one stereo channel modulated with heavy bass=20 (typical on > > 60's recordings). > >=20 > > I noted that the Fanfare tuner doesn't have this bass distrotion=20 issue > > at all, in fact, the Fanfare sounds great in AM stereo with the=20 60's > > tunes from Sinatra and Martin with heavy bass stereo in just one > > channel. > >=20 > > Long live CQuam and Kahn! >=20 > The irony here is that had all the AM stereo systems used limiters- > particularly negative-modulation limiters as what Motorola > implemented- I'd be hard pressed to say that we wouldn't have been > limited to just C-QUAM as a clear choice. Negative-mod limiting had > been suggested as far back as 1960 by RCA when they published their > paper on AM stereo, and Motorola was the only one to ever take that > suggestion seriously. Or, to put it better, had they all taken the > suggestion, the winner would've indeed been the Magnavox AM/PM=20 system. > It was the very thing with thudding- caiused by negative=20 modulation- > that caused some to balk at using the Magnavox system. It was > Motorola's use of cosine correction that reduced harmonics which=20 put > the "compatible" in C-QUAM-- Compatible QUadrature AM. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Hi Gang!!! Here, in my humble station, when we used the very old UREI BL-40=20 Peak Limiter in our audio chain, the TX sounded better than today.=20 The BL-40 has an absolute 100% ceiling modulation point to negative=20 peaks, absolutely separated from the positive peaks modulation=20 control, so you can always get a very good sound (actually, you can=20 get up 125% positive peaks modulation with a device from more than=20 35 years ago). Our today device doesn't work that way and I don't=20 understand why (it's sold intended to the AM market where we need a=20 separate modulation control to the positive and negative peaks).=20 But, how "we must to renew the station", the boss asked a new audio=20 processor. I guess, if we'd transmit AM Stereo (my loved dream!!!),=20 our today device wouldn't work so fine. The only one problem with=20 the BL-40 is... it's a MONO device!!! Even, sometimes the old things=20 are better than the today things, don't you think so? According to the advertising papers, the Orban Optimod-AM 9100 had=20 all the necessary controls to avoid any distortion situation, with C- QUAM and/or Kahn. I'd never tested one, so... I don't know if it was=20 really true (I guess, because the price, it's true, hehehehe!!!) I wonder if the "new" digital AM technology, IF IT WILL BECOME A=20 REALITY SOME DAY, will have all those "domestic" problems. Do the=20 radio technicians have learned the lessons from the past? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jul 11 03:57:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74123 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2007 10:57:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2007 10:57:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.244) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2007 10:57:46 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n27.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2007 10:56:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2007 10:56:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2007 10:56:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:56:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.11.74 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=W4Tq_yYKYoPgl0dwZqyK6XC4XSHbsJMSeHQfXuI4zlu90bNU X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > Here, in my humble station, when we used the very old UREI BL-40=20 > Peak Limiter in our audio chain, the TX sounded better than today.=20 > The BL-40 has an absolute 100% ceiling modulation point to negative=20 > peaks, absolutely separated from the positive peaks modulation=20 > control, so you can always get a very good sound (actually, you can=20 > get up 125% positive peaks modulation with a device from more than=20 > 35 years ago). Our today device doesn't work that way and I don't=20 > understand why (it's sold intended to the AM market where we need a=20 > separate modulation control to the positive and negative peaks).=20 > But, how "we must to renew the station", the boss asked a new audio=20 > processor. I guess, if we'd transmit AM Stereo (my loved dream!!!),=20 > our today device wouldn't work so fine. The only one problem with=20 > the BL-40 is... it's a MONO device!!! Even, sometimes the old things=20 > are better than the today things, don't you think so? You should never exceed 98 or 99% negative modulation. 125% positive modulation is the maximum without causing distortion. the reason you DON'T want to do 100% negative modulation, is that you're literally nulling the carrier. It's not as noticable on traditional envelope-detector AM radios, but is VERY noticable- as a THUD- on sync detector radios, such as several Sony models, a few Grundigs, some Sangeans... (Not all radios with sync detectors are stereo, but all AM stereo radios use sync detectors!) This can seem like fluttering buring a bass sound. at full modulation. If you do go stereo, you will have more headaches than simply wiring all the audio for stereo sound-- The single BOGGEST headache is reducing the incidental phase modulation generated between your transmitter and antenna. You'll have to tune the antenna just right to reduce the phase distortion to an absolute minimum- You'll need to, so there will be proper phasing for proper stereo sound coming from the C-QUAM exciter. The lowerr the phase, the better the stereo separation and the lower cross-channel talk. :) Some engineers have gone greyhaired trying to get that phase just right so they could pass a good stereo signal. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Jul 11 23:42:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27833 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2007 06:42:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2007 06:42:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.21) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2007 06:42:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2007 06:42:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2007 06:42:40 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 06:42:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.15 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Ri2XsKISX5tzFqcyfD7g9ZaHoWXh8C7Mp7NHcsiuss1Dwu_fug X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > You should never exceed 98 or 99% negative modulation. 125%=20 positive > modulation is the maximum without causing distortion. >=20 > the reason you DON'T want to do 100% negative modulation, is that > you're literally nulling the carrier. It's not as noticable on > traditional envelope-detector AM radios, but is VERY noticable- as=20 a > THUD- on sync detector radios, such as several Sony models, a few > Grundigs, some Sangeans... (Not all radios with sync detectors are > stereo, but all AM stereo radios use sync detectors!) This can seem > like fluttering buring a bass sound. at full modulation. >=20 > If you do go stereo, you will have more headaches than simply=20 wiring > all the audio for stereo sound-- The single BOGGEST headache is > reducing the incidental phase modulation generated between your > transmitter and antenna. You'll have to tune the antenna just=20 right to > reduce the phase distortion to an absolute minimum- You'll need=20 to, so > there will be proper phasing for proper stereo sound coming from=20 the > C-QUAM exciter. The lowerr the phase, the better the stereo=20 separation > and the lower cross-channel talk. :) Some engineers have gone > greyhaired trying to get that phase just right so they could pass a > good stereo signal. :) >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Yes, you're so right, Amy!!! The negative peaks modulation is a very hard problem, even with a=20 mono system, and the incidental phase, or any antenna "distuning"=20 (if that word exists) is THE great problem to anybody, hehehe!!! But, knowing the risk to be treatment as an idiot (because my brain=20 doesn't dominate the receivers arena at all), I think a good part of=20 the negative peaks modulation issue must be "fixed" in the RX. I=20 mean: the receivers, with or without the sync detectors, must have=20 some "sync local oscillator" to avoid the carrier lack (something=20 like the LO of the SSB receivers). It's just an idea. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jul 12 11:54:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24314 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2007 18:54:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2007 18:54:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.161) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2007 18:54:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 79627 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jul 2007 18:54:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .Fhvw5EVM1mNGx1O_pfQpFbelThAjslOCaN4wUG1ASoGnT0i2ddkXOwl9Pd6R75qBnXIUl4s72nVfFv4P8GR.h6LVvBQBpHiG8YwRpQ99dkOXhvbG8lMj2ImUA-- Received: from [72.241.129.52] by web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:54:11 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:54:11 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <205284.79107.qm@web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: The future of broadcast radio..is there one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=T-b8ti_WdOEQcshujpBZXYs0aIeSRP4mLiJx_PGQUa_QyZrfP5RTCIE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio This phase modulation correction is even more important on HD radio - basically you have to be able to pass a great CQuam signal in order to pass a great HD signal (although the CQuam will extend to the analog range of the signal while HD drops off like a rock half way there). ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jul 15 11:39:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6453 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2007 18:39:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2007 18:39:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.161) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2007 18:39:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 77265 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jul 2007 18:39:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: OVMzqJkVM1nFdfrjduk7shV2gia2H0yfUIRCJjbsaI4gGItYnGWLh9mywAY6GnHVpDyy25.l.A-- Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 11:39:26 PDT Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 11:39:26 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <662259.76140.qm@web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: I got a surprise X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=H-r-Xa7-Ntwrjzox1jDOM2P7Q3dVf8TRFJjPvge_xiE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I just purchased a 2000 Taurus wagon and it has the deluxe radio with cassette and 6 CD changer. It's not very wide, and sensitivity has improved since I got it. I thin the previous owners NEVER listened to AM. Well, while listening to WKDK at the very far limits of reception at night last night I suddenly noticed some separation. I looked at the dial and ST was blinking on and off. NO, we aren't stereo at WKDK even though we have a new BE. It was no longer standard so it didn't come that way. It appears someone else was either stereo or either far enough off frequency to light the ST light. NO stereo on WPHT, and not a TRACE of WLS. I guess I need to get the Alfredo Lite out. Now, I don't know if it will light the stereo light being 400 hertz off frequency. The first one did NOT. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Jul 15 20:17:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39987 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2007 03:17:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2007 03:17:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.94) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2007 03:17:03 -0000 Received: from [68.142.230.28] by n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2007 03:16:55 -0000 Received: from [66.196.101.132] by t1.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2007 03:16:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by rrr3.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2007 03:16:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 857197.72084.bm@rrr3.mail.re1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 53882 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jul 2007 03:16:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: afut0hoVM1nkn1EYkMqgNr2XuIIXZxMKAKciEZJeeNldDLGijWGMmVbU7qEhbE5PPtcx0x264_wAivxklRKY0CCNiJVwORuS06dLWz9nu3RmvgN.j0TT6iw- Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 20:16:55 PDT Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 20:16:55 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <662259.76140.qm@web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <69655.53616.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} I got a surprise X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=_YlAAso0EpprQiils2gJHlyUvJCMPakjtCrBGI3ZfNnTo46gUidu X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Powell, Good luck and congrats! My parents have a 1999 Chrysler Town and Country with the premium sound system which has infinity speakers and of all things AM Stereo. I've listened to some stations late at night on it in their driveway. On a good radio an AM Stereo station sounds pretty damn good. I wish they'd just forget the IBOC and do real analogue AM stereo. Don't forget if you go down to myrtle beach tune in to WNMB. It's a great station and they do AM stereo. Enjoy your new radio. -Kevin --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > I just purchased a 2000 Taurus wagon and it has the > deluxe radio with cassette and 6 CD changer. It's > not > very wide, and sensitivity has improved since I got > it. I thin the previous owners NEVER listened to AM. > Well, while listening to WKDK at the very far limits > of reception at night last night I suddenly noticed > some separation. I looked at the dial and ST was > blinking on and off. NO, we aren't stereo at WKDK > even > though we have a new BE. It was no longer standard > so > it didn't come that way. It appears someone else was > either stereo or either far enough off frequency to > light the ST light. NO stereo on WPHT, and not a > TRACE > of WLS. I guess I need to get the Alfredo Lite out. > Now, I don't know if it will light the stereo light > being 400 hertz off frequency. The first one did > NOT. > > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jul 16 07:52:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88954 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2007 14:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2007 14:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.162) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2007 14:52:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 33925 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jul 2007 14:51:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: SoeMeuIVM1lkuSOVe9tFC5aXUIUc1Ga0_zaRpv3JV90ONr4o3ogLsoqkjD0WYFNxCFsDDvGWOFA0Kq7BtJDglvfkNVQ2UNTa4pHIcoNEGPFDGMq14tk9BZbW8g-- Received: from [72.241.129.52] by web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:51:50 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:51:50 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <338180.33863.qm@web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re:I got a surprise X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=x6RA4JCWntRmCDGgCZ6Han2Na_EC8P_bXmX-_0XyOrKM65IFA3y5gtM X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I had a good surprise last night listening to KCJJ in stereo and a little bit of WLS in AM Stereo too! Nothing warms the heart, and the ears, as much as seeing "ST" illuminated while tuned to an AM station! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon Jul 16 17:37:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55629 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2007 00:37:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2007 00:37:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2007 00:37:32 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.50]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 191484085-1881964 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:37:26 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <003e01c7c80b$661e3680$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <662259.76140.qm@web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:42:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 ip=64.61.220.50 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I got a surprise X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=VWAe4fuxijzxswr8qHmYOEBtL3Oy9HJCl0Gf60rnFRUQhLp02RJf X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That's about how far off mine was too. Found a trimcap in a junked VHF radio that I was able to use and get it right on the nose. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" I guess I need to get the Alfredo Lite out. > Now, I don't know if it will light the stereo light > being 400 hertz off frequency. The first one did NOT. > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 19 19:45:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68005 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2007 02:45:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2007 02:45:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.117) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2007 02:45:18 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2007 02:44:46 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2007 02:44:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2007 02:44:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 02:44:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.81.251 From: "Kevin T." Subject: full CRL AM Stereo processing system on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=36aEaNCx67zQ7m_pLkCr5_N89w_xeF9pSgqt_cIBeimf9mCChw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here's a full CRL AM Stereo audio processing system, including AGC,=20 multiband compressor, and limiter/clipper/NRSC filter, on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D260140811553 If anyone here ends up as the winning bidder, drop me a line and I'd=20 be glad to give you the tips and tricks I've accumulated from working=20 with these CRL processors. Owner's manuals (including schematics)=20 are available from CRL/Orban's site: ftp://ftp.orban.com/CRL/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jul 20 10:01:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74657 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2007 17:01:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2007 17:01:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34715.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.164) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2007 17:01:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 99282 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jul 2007 17:01:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Nc4bvnsVM1mF86BBaoxUHk9TPwRSgLg3PNqwfYJYQhb5PWR7yzh1MMJWpyYKE6LIx5faXB8WJL1Wq6GpW2OPcl5Gt1RpiWf5Oj5U._AWDRvS5p3iTUU- Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34715.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:01:50 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:01:50 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <721943.98996.qm@web34715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: WHATEVER were you thinking, son ??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=wSDXCHrIaFfOME6YnO2kmqvb17BR_MYv27HZdPB8WQ4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW A friend of mine who runs a radio station in SC told me about this: http://www.timesnews.net/article.php?id=9002111 NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Jul 20 10:51:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37612 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2007 17:50:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2007 17:50:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.93) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2007 17:50:20 -0000 Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n8.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2007 17:50:16 -0000 Received: from [66.196.101.131] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2007 17:50:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by rrr2.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2007 17:50:16 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 215251.38486.bm@rrr2.mail.re1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 8230 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jul 2007 17:50:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Lj8d.HYVM1kPV1KTg55vwbwCrVgYPkTWigfLWjV8GYk1v0rkwOFm6JxoW9nv9.biUYUrxEbA9.PLzCnW.O6Iq8UBg8dzFdWxMVHn1zbddMs.h9u7rYV_L9Q- Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:50:15 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:50:15 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <721943.98996.qm@web34715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <359197.7616.qm@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.93 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHATEVER were you thinking, son ??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=PqEps1dNNKBJKTAVSmMYRlPJGX2EbK7meJYFYBaTCh9EVH_Jn8U9 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke My God that is sick, what the hell? --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > A friend of mine who runs a radio station in SC told > me about this: > > > http://www.timesnews.net/article.php?id=9002111 > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Jul 20 11:38:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25399 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2007 18:38:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2007 18:38:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s6.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.78) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2007 18:38:51 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.229.20]) by bay0-omc1-s6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:37:41 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:37:40 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.229.220 by by110fd.bay110.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:37:35 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:37:35 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2007 18:37:40.0719 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D9BA7F0:01C7CAFD] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.78 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHATEVER were you thinking X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=poN32BzKIIr_NSBMjXhh3bdKmDr6sKBcRLmxsoNo6WR4ebh4P02pP_ZttCA X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo I can only hope and pray that someone else had access to Jeff's computer and did this, unbeknown to Jeff. (of course, it's still a crime taking advantage of a child or children regardless of who did it; many if not all of these children will be scarred for life) Whether Jeff is innocent or guilty, the community is losing a radio station with live and local content and that is almost as sad as to what happened to the children involved. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Jul 20 13:14:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28264 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2007 20:14:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2007 20:14:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2007 20:14:04 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.106.84.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.106.84]) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1IByrJ-0002Xz-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:13:53 -0400 Message-ID: <46A117F1.1060804@peoplepc.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:15:45 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Macintosh/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <359197.7616.qm@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <359197.7616.qm@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHATEVER were you thinking, son ??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=lWOsg-5C8o8_EvYxKTjRZ9R9CPa-vDOHIQX8ya2JAjkphm3ZCrohhHk_zt1anQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 clemsonbloke wrote: > My God that is sick, what the hell? > DAMN! It is rare I agree with Clemsonbloke, but this takes the cake. I really hope this is a major screw-up and Jeff is innocent, but if he did it, I hope they fry his ass. Kevin From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Jul 20 16:45:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94081 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2007 23:45:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2007 23:45:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.123) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2007 23:45:59 -0000 Received: from [68.142.230.28] by n10.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2007 23:45:55 -0000 Received: from [66.196.101.132] by t1.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2007 23:45:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by rrr3.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2007 23:45:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 174355.515.bm@rrr3.mail.re1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 47680 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jul 2007 23:45:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1UU2ifAVM1lfBGsZYPTMMQfdK4CsOOltf4ccw8JSlxHma6wC3gLGn3Gv5LeBI_yN7jZETk4II5FKXw6CmhDHnecLdwMUd60ZbYGDtSGa5vbEpA.vKPjXXAg- Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:45:54 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:45:54 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <46A117F1.1060804@peoplepc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <346339.46900.qm@web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHATEVER were you thinking, son ??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=ZCsFxLE0rwJX5D6eTO5LFo2aW9xDb3BjafZmGp_m4T5jdd3zjQeq X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Agreed! --- Possum Hunter wrote: > clemsonbloke wrote: > > My God that is sick, what the hell? > > > > DAMN! It is rare I agree with Clemsonbloke, but this > takes the cake. I > really hope this is a major screw-up and Jeff is > innocent, but if he did > it, I hope they fry his ass. > > Kevin > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Jul 20 19:06:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+QX4r+35+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29838 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2007 02:06:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2007 02:06:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2007 02:06:20 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.221.35]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 190642491-1881964 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 21:04:30 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <005601c7cb3c$3f635820$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 21:09:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet ip=64.61.221.35 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHATEVER were you thinking X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=UtGpqVarxF5XWfEW-fVALTFKG0Eaa0xXktqGmFsB0vbys2CGUbD- X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You said a mouthful with only a few words, Donn. Kind of strange that they catch him right off the bat while others get away with it for years and never get caught. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" > I can only hope and pray that someone else had access to Jeff's computer and > did this, unbeknown to Jeff. (of course, it's still a crime taking advantage > of a child or children regardless of who did it; many if not all of these > children will be scarred for life) > > Whether Jeff is innocent or guilty, the community is losing a radio station > with live and local content and that is almost as sad as to what happened to > the children involved. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jul 21 04:56:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58724 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2007 11:56:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2007 11:56:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2007 11:56:14 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.235.255.86.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.235.255.86]) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1ICDYm-0003Zo-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:55:44 -0400 Message-ID: <46A1F4B1.2000905@peoplepc.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:57:37 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Macintosh/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <005601c7cb3c$3f635820$d503fea9@stodd> In-Reply-To: <005601c7cb3c$3f635820$d503fea9@stodd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHATEVER were you thinking X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=_xQH-Ef5gAGURyYjOEac5wix_P72lfvuMKEyOlcjbAek7fFj-Iuu7kNjGuATmQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Scott Todd wrote: > Kind of strange that they catch him right off the bat while others get away with it for years and never get caught. > Owners of the Media are going to be bigger targets, but it was a sting in NH that actually busted him. I do not agree with Donn. The loss of a radio station is not even close to the destruction of a child in this way. I really do hope this is a big SNAFU and Jeff will be shown to be innocent if he didn't do it. But, I hope they BBQ his ass if he was even THINKING about doing this to a child. My Goddess that is just SICK to harm a child this way. Personally, if I ever found somebody doing that to a kid, I would shoot 'em right between the eyes. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jul 21 07:09:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90040 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2007 14:09:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2007 14:09:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2007 14:09:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 51557 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jul 2007 14:09:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XAA8kAoVM1lt7HfSO1n3pbKsPSbybGdkP_vtWxH_EBkLOvr9iZdSyBe8SXjumHm1sA8ngHD3BQ-- Received: from [209.213.19.96] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:09:23 PDT Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:09:23 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <005601c7cb3c$3f635820$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <392474.51387.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHATEVER were you thinking X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=_eLmrScgVi25GRIOdmGzmgr3ieCj-Z2XOXWFzqWQK4c X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Scott Todd wrote: > You said a mouthful with only a few words, Donn. > Kind of strange that they > catch him right off the bat while others get away > with it for years and never get caught. He got caught in a sting. The others were lucky. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Jul 21 07:33:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74114 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2007 14:33:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2007 14:33:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s6.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.78) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2007 14:33:00 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.229.19]) by bay0-omc1-s6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:30:07 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:30:07 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.229.220 by by110fd.bay110.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:30:06 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:30:06 +0000 X-Priority: 1 Importance: High Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2007 14:30:07.0786 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2FBB0A0:01C7CBA3] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.78 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHATEVER were you thinking son........ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=5W1BvMW7u9XaUNNppaG3CXBmFKOxmL9BPBvGlICj0HQTf6M4Yg5dtu6NDGk X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Kevin/Possum Hunter wrote: "Owners of the Media are going to be bigger targets, but it was a sting in NH that actually busted him. I do not agree with Donn. The loss of a radio station is not even close to the destruction of a child in this way. I really do hope this is a big SNAFU and Jeff will be shown to be innocent if he didn't do it. But, I hope they BBQ his ass if he was even THINKING about doing this to a child. My Goddess that is just SICK to harm a child this way. Personally, if I ever found somebody doing that to a kid, I would shoot 'em right between the eyes. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin, I do not disagree you at all, the loss of the radio station is nothing compared to the scarred lives of the children; but the loss of the radio station is a loss to the community nonetheless. It's just too bad there aren't some provisions to have someone else take it over on a temporary basis. No one has mentioned Jeff's wife and their two young children, they are victims as well, whether or not Jeff is innocent or guilty; they are going to go through a personal hell. There is nothing good about this at all, for the victims, for the perpetrators of the crime or Jeff's family. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Jul 21 09:06:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+QX4r+35+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51879 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2007 16:06:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2007 16:06:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2007 16:06:56 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.220.111]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.8j) with ESMTP id 189603633-1881964 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:56:44 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <004801c7cbb0$83904020$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <005601c7cb3c$3f635820$d503fea9@stodd> <46A1F4B1.2000905@peoplepc.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:02:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet ip=64.61.220.111 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHATEVER were you thinking X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=mWXCkzjSrfDZFSTIAbclhp_g0BXQFpO1r8TVZGnTbf_9PNBMyvbR X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Like it or not, pedophiles are starting to use the same legitimization tactics the gays used a few decades ago, claiming a "sexual orientation," and claiming it's just who they are. If this is the first you've heard of it, be assured it won't be the last. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > > I really do hope this is a big SNAFU and Jeff will be shown to be > innocent if he didn't do it. But, I hope they BBQ his ass if he was even > THINKING about doing this to a child. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat Jul 21 10:22:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81160 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2007 17:22:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2007 17:22:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.232) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2007 17:22:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 43217 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jul 2007 17:22:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .q806jUVM1lWBh1qq2XO3lg8xiBNsyxgqIFsFaoTvYZaHCnQh2Z8eX2Mm3DaGm.GvtjizA2E9L_whVK4gdtEXGLbvE7sl0Y8qv5IjJkmjR9CnteMjU0iU0UCV9B82w-- Received: from [64.223.56.56] by web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:22:16 PDT Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:22:16 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004801c7cbb0$83904020$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <438994.41879.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHATEVER were you thinking X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=Qlon9QrEXzrhyjzNUEw6fkZ3U-Yq2I4niOhj5TbxzP0zvx6F8L20 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Great...a Will & Grace of the pedophilia world... "coming this fall on NBC!" No, they're not actually going to do that sitcom...yet. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jul 21 12:30:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56660 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2007 19:30:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2007 19:30:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2007 19:30:15 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.104.172.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.104.172]) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1ICKeZ-0002Nj-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:30:11 -0400 Message-ID: <46A25F34.1050305@peoplepc.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:32:04 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Macintosh/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHATEVER were you thinking son........ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=IaCHXZh1H7K16kDNU2MYahUxLKkkE__q1eDAKF-RU7TmVZj95gdq_VxRG3-iGA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Donn Tillman wrote: > Kevin, I do not disagree you at all, the loss of the radio station is nothing compared to the scarred lives of the children; AH OK. > but the loss of the radio station is a loss to the community nonetheless. It's just too bad there aren't some provisions to have someone else take it over on a temporary basis. > I agree. I do wonder why Jeff's wife isn't running the station. Perhaps the cops not knowing any different got the On-Air computer too? > No one has mentioned Jeff's wife and their two young children, they are victims as well, whether or not Jeff is innocent or guilty; they are going to go through a personal hell. Yes, and we all should keep them in our thoughts and prayers. Possum From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jul 21 12:54:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45146 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2007 19:54:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2007 19:54:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2007 19:54:05 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.104.172.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.104.172]) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1ICL1f-0006io-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:54:03 -0400 Message-ID: <46A264CC.9010707@peoplepc.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:55:56 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Macintosh/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <005601c7cb3c$3f635820$d503fea9@stodd> <46A1F4B1.2000905@peoplepc.com> <004801c7cbb0$83904020$d503fea9@stodd> In-Reply-To: <004801c7cbb0$83904020$d503fea9@stodd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHATEVER were you thinking X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=_8TWnHbzN_HMlERGs3wMzWKKerLm6i3wtST7BYJPYWiPwn4z4Vl-GqoRcHbcKw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Scott Todd wrote: > If this is the first you've heard of it, be assured it won't be the last. > Yea, you hear every excuse on earth from the perverts Dateline NBC catches. It is disgusting. Kevin From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Jul 22 00:11:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20123 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2007 07:11:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2007 07:11:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.161) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2007 07:11:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 13686 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jul 2007 07:11:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5hCiogkVM1khj8v3zciZVEEP_j_yanLq5Brz1XaPsWdwErfSDtBIFkFE8A4VMLL_tg-- Received: from [72.241.129.52] by web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 00:11:52 PDT Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 00:11:52 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <554873.12246.qm@web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: WHATEVER were you thinking, son ??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=88NqA4QFMKtSTAygiXOpxLb0OFQTsVHqPsE0sVVKbDfg6WN71NzU2uU X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio It's sad, no matter what. 4 months to sit in jail until a hearing is a long time too, and doesn't make much sense. Felons, if convicted, can't own a radio station, so I don't know if it can even be transferred to another owner either? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Jul 22 05:46:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53841 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2007 12:46:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2007 12:46:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2007 12:46:36 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.104.228.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.104.228]) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1ICap8-0005k2-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 08:46:11 -0400 Message-ID: <46A35204.20106@peoplepc.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 08:48:04 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Macintosh/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <554873.12246.qm@web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <554873.12246.qm@web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WHATEVER were you thinking, son ??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=NeNX2gcT_BlN3ZMxewOh03L7RcOCeM9yrfCRyGKd64vO62ZDaLRahB9U406ztg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 John P. wrote: > 4 months to sit in jail until a hearing is a long time too, and doesn't make much sense. > Agree. If they got the goods on him enough to convict, they should go ahead and try him and if found guilty, hang him on the court house lawn, if innocent, let him get back to his Family and radio station. > Felons, if convicted, can't own a radio station, so I don't know if it can even be transferred to another owner either? When Jackie Cooper owned WJKI 1510 in Woodruff, SC and was busted for fencing stolen cars, he was allowed to sell the station. Kevin From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 23 08:02:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54980 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2007 15:02:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2007 15:02:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp118.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.91) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2007 15:02:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 44537 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2007 15:02:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w5e5u4) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.8.231.213 with login) by smtp118.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2007 15:02:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5RTFd1oVM1mIE7ZtsyRM7GUvebVUUHiKv57NzKwAf.OwTQnGJwoaEXbo5UJao4q3smxJ8u1.Iw-- Message-ID: <000c01c7cd3a$80be4960$01e3fea9@w5e5u4> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:02:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: dose any one know Chris Cuffs e mail? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=jLVJmSf_OHI6o2zuC9zXWs0nqdNztP6xAIPYKN1efn69JRNqujtbWyRupucbviJQpnm4Nxhv X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Dose any one know Chris Cuffs e mail? Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sub81@shortwavelog.com Tue Jul 24 07:13:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: sub81@shortwavelog.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85763 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2007 14:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2007 14:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.133) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2007 14:08:07 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2007 14:06:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2007 14:06:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2007 14:06:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:06:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c7cd3a$80be4960$01e3fea9@w5e5u4> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.85.84.93 From: "Robert Sillett" Subject: Re: dose any one know Chris Cuffs e mail? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=310843581; y=MgTbC_itTY7v-8x8le4M1HScMWc1G1ZP9pT6MAoYmHjgMA X-Yahoo-Profile: sillett I do not know his email address directly, but Chris is currently offering his Alfredo-Lite transmitters on eBay. You can go to the auction and use the "ask seller a question." That should get to his email address. His eBay listing is: http://tinyurl.com/2pet7d By the way, I own one of Chris' AM Stereo transmitters. I highly recommend everyone on the list getting one!=20=20 Bob --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang Dose any one know Chris Cuffs e mail? Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jul 24 15:00:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24652 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2007 21:59:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2007 21:59:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.122) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2007 21:59:58 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2007 21:56:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2007 21:56:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2007 21:56:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:56:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.122 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.96.3.168 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: dose any one know Chris Cuffs e mail? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613; y=kSPKBZW7_r3MTbFLW-ZGn45UaPNBzyRYzqetQgNoaDuCCUJcuX1Mmofb X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Hi Gang- My email is ccuff@in4web.com - That is my main email=20 address, and the only one I check every day. Thanks, Chris --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Sillett" =20 wrote: > > I do not know his email address directly, but Chris is currently > offering his Alfredo-Lite transmitters on eBay. You can go to the > auction and use the "ask seller a question." That should get to his > email address. >=20 > His eBay listing is: > http://tinyurl.com/2pet7d >=20 > By the way, I own one of Chris' AM Stereo transmitters. I highly > recommend everyone on the list getting one!=20=20 >=20 > Bob >=20 >=20 From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 29 16:21:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16739 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2007 23:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2007 23:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp113.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (68.142.229.92) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2007 23:21:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 33707 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2007 23:19:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w5e5u4) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.30.69.238 with login) by smtp113.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2007 23:19:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: l4ZtwJkVM1nDzf5EnlOdHX_bRu6.uYut4t9Y8CBTB8sWmDoF5tm5LaM0cL_maW48pD1pDbyRaA-- Message-ID: <001701c7d237$0e8b6880$01e3fea9@w5e5u4> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 16:20:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.229.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: Hd over night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=gAfEDPp4XMat77nedASQ-A65nTfGNMMAs27sV04KoSiwRA4jJo4Lwm4WWpL79S6Ib5SfRpLC X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi gang I did not want to ask because of off topic. But has any one herd about HD over night? The only 2 I hear over night are local KIID AM 1470 Sacramento Ca RADIO SUCKY and 1090 AM from I think Mexico or SOCAL. Thanks Gang Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jul 29 16:29:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43500 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2007 23:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2007 23:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2007 23:29:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 67842 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jul 2007 23:28:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: oqwSCd4VM1nvZcgcj4UpkLYxk8PLfftdhnRaoRCDK6Fj_6OnuM5w1gXDolIRfSAalMFFqDHJqA-- Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 16:28:42 PDT Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 16:28:42 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001701c7d237$0e8b6880$01e3fea9@w5e5u4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <642946.67827.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hd over night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=4mFy9mT-FkerhPirw6O-anPImgWLbPedn5ltMIj5XLQ X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hi gang I did not want to ask because of off topic. > But has any one herd about HD over night? Not yet. Once the order is in the Federal Register it will be 30 days from THAT time. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Jul 29 23:01:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31517 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2007 06:01:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2007 06:01:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.132) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2007 06:01:51 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2007 06:00:56 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2007 06:00:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2007 06:00:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 06:00:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <642946.67827.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.11 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hd over night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=HI1--f27rRAmaIWuY53lhCu5VETxctZ3vcnic0zVt6Xkx4BbJg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > --- jimsmith95663@... wrote: >=20 > > Hi gang I did not want to ask because of off topic. > > But has any one herd about HD over night?=20 >=20 > Not yet. Once the order is in the Federal Register it > will be 30 days from THAT time. >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > Hi gang!!! But, please, Powell, Do you have some news about how many radio=20 station (broadcasters) would be really able to transmit HD=20 when "the" time comes? It's an important issue to me because a lot of chilean AM=20 broadcasters are so "scared" because, according to their comments,=20 ALL the USA AM stations will start with the digital system THIS year=20 (and here, in Chile, there isn't enough money to do it, but the=20 politicians want to approve it soon). So, I hope your notes. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jimsmith@vfr.net Sun Jul 29 23:39:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2491 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2007 06:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2007 06:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11e.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.71) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2007 06:39:28 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2007 06:35:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2007 06:33:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 06:33:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.19.159.232 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hd over night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=GRQaYCafUxR9U2uOR_Md2Qotad_gjD1h-Zs38qWUB4J9jRVCnIuEqQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 > wrote: > > > >=20 > > --- jimsmith95663@ wrote: > >=20 > > > Hi gang I did not want to ask because of off topic. > > > But has any one herd about HD over night?=20 > >=20 > > Not yet. Once the order is in the Federal Register it > > will be 30 days from THAT time. > >=20 > >=20 > > Powell > >=20 > > NNNN=20=20 > > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > >=20 > Hi gang!!! >=20 > But, please, Powell, Do you have some news about how many radio=20 > station (broadcasters) would be really able to transmit HD=20 > when "the" time comes? >=20 > It's an important issue to me because a lot of chilean AM=20 > broadcasters are so "scared" because, according to their comments,=20 > ALL the USA AM stations will start with the digital system THIS=20 year=20 > (and here, in Chile, there isn't enough money to do it, but the=20 > politicians want to approve it soon). >=20 > So, I hope your notes. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > Hi Jaun If I was you and some others broadcasters down there I would=20 tell your GOV. to stay with AM STEREO and tell as many people you can=20 about the radios for sale on this site.Thanks for your time Jaun. Jim=20 Smith From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jul 30 06:42:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68155 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2007 13:42:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2007 13:42:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.160) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2007 13:42:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 79744 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jul 2007 13:42:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Zj.4kuIVM1lOTVXe6oSVvQyUvMIoMN0.SkRaSx3dOt.YXHirYM_5QigK0cljwCzhj2iTZPrqZQ-- Received: from [209.213.19.86] by web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 06:42:09 PDT Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 06:42:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <472061.78529.qm@web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hd over night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=nTu4Z9CXFWyl7Hm8m79rCKlCfd8u52N7a2qsRg4sW64 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jotape1960 wrote: > Hi gang!!! > > But, please, Powell, Do you have some news about how > many radio > station (broadcasters) would be really able to > transmit HD > when "the" time comes? the ones on the list Ibiquity has. > It's an important issue to me because a lot of > chilean AM > broadcasters are so "scared" because, according to > their comments, > ALL the USA AM stations will start with the digital > system THIS year > (and here, in Chile, there isn't enough money to do > it, but the > politicians want to approve it soon). DRM would be a better option. There aren't any receivers yet, though with software and a radio capable you can listen. It has some of the same faults as IBOC. ALL of the stations won't be running it for some time. There are a LOT more stations running it on FM than AM. Current power levels on FM are 1% of the analog power and they have determined that is too low. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jul 30 06:49:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30743 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2007 13:49:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2007 13:49:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.158) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2007 13:49:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 43547 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jul 2007 13:49:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: IhTwmZMVM1mV5tHe5g66w1LMsN4n.a43D4oiU2rJ3vK7d_MTou3snVhn1fO3BPzgBg-- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 06:49:01 PDT Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 06:49:01 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <228088.43500.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: HD overnight X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=vayuqBvxhTKZIZm3IxnDHvlZoGnytQEahInomNbO5ly8XOt0tPZcwF4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio An email from one of my local AM HD's indicated that all they have to do is 'flip the switch' - it was all setup intially, and all they're doing is waiting for the Federal Register to put it in print and then they'll be HD at night. JP ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Jul 30 07:35:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87890 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2007 14:35:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2007 14:35:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fall-curlleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (207.69.195.105) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2007 14:35:41 -0000 Received: from francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net ([207.69.200.54]) by fall-curlleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IFWLT-0004bG-TT for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:35:39 -0400 Received: from dialup-4.235.252.109.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.235.252.109]) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1IFW25-0003JR-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:15:37 -0400 Message-ID: <46ADF301.20102@peoplepc.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:17:37 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Macintosh/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <228088.43500.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <228088.43500.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.195.105 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD overnight X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=8qdMz3wWOfHx35k0VA5coEzTXJnOiCTgeNyPKzdnS1fUMwWdHkGJt2Q2sBEXiA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 John P. wrote: > An email from one of my local AM HD's indicated that all they have to do is 'flip the switch' - it was all setup intially, Tom Ray at WOR has stated much the same. I would think Most all HD stations will run the HD 24/7 as soon as it is legal. Kevin From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jul 30 12:52:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93091 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2007 19:52:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2007 19:52:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.220) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2007 19:52:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2007 19:50:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2007 19:50:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:50:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <472061.78529.qm@web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.0.224 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hd over night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=10VEyutFf3GiZZgmtBbATSXRuYarqKjNEJ29IaXt2cMytudP X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > DRM would be a better option. There aren't any > receivers yet, though with software and a radio > capable you can listen. It has some of the same faults > as IBOC.=20=20=20 I only know of three commercially-available DRM receivers, all in Europe-- Roberts (UK), MorphyRichards (UK) and Sangean (Germany/Europe) each have one model. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From radio603@malmo2.net Mon Jul 30 13:36:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio603@malmo2.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66614 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2007 20:36:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2007 20:36:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.bredband2.net) (82.209.166.4) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2007 20:36:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 9534 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2007 20:26:16 -0000 Received: from mkb-145-39-209-82.3.cust.bredband2.com (HELO malmoe) ([82.209.145.39]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.bredband2.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 30 Jul 2007 20:26:16 -0000 Message-ID: <001501c7d2e8$6deaab90$2791d152@malmoe> To: References: Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:30:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Originating-IP: 82.209.166.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0 From: "Roy" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hd over night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=195882801; y=EnD43uQdw1qpZCJZKhq2Pc9ONUDB0xYXNUNEsfJkRlKJgXo X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi guys and dolls, www.starwaves.de got a car drm ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Mousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:50 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hd over night --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > DRM would be a better option. There aren't any > receivers yet, though with software and a radio > capable you can listen. It has some of the same faults > as IBOC. I only know of three commercially-available DRM receivers, all in Europe-- Roberts (UK), MorphyRichards (UK) and Sangean (Germany/Europe) each have one model. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.23/924 - Release Date: 2007-07-28 15:50 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith@vfr.net Mon Jul 30 13:58:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75992 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2007 20:58:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2007 20:58:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.247) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2007 20:58:51 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2007 20:56:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2007 20:56:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2007 20:56:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:56:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001501c7d2e8$6deaab90$2791d152@malmoe> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.22.190.149 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hd over night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=8KvQKj6ekWJQWzKw6Q948aA516VnDuVUV5E1wJAuDOTiNVHwr7z-wA X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" wrote: > > Hi guys and dolls, >=20 > www.starwaves.de=20=20=20 >=20 > got a car drm > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Amy Mousie=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:50 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hd over night >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > wrote: >=20 > > DRM would be a better option. There aren't any > > receivers yet, though with software and a radio > > capable you can listen. It has some of the same faults > > as IBOC.=20 >=20 > I only know of three commercially-available DRM receivers, all in > Europe-- Roberts (UK), MorphyRichards (UK) and Sangean > (Germany/Europe) each have one model. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- >=20 >=20 > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.23/924 - Release Date:=20 2007-07-28 15:50 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Gang I herd that analog AM STEREO and DRM worked better together=20 then AM analog and IBOC. Is there any SW DRM over the USA? Was CHUM=20 AM STEREO 1050 also DRM? Jim Smith From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jul 30 14:05:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46694 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2007 21:05:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2007 21:05:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.161) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2007 21:05:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 9384 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jul 2007 21:04:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MM4WfRUVM1mcmbqcPsiUEPHSwvRUVyn8EM_wZuHtFYUd_U6lG4c_RmUaOyc.QhnLEVHJox5McA-- Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:04:42 PDT Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:04:42 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <117173.6982.qm@web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hd over night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=OgNzlZyl12cSaJESW8CXdBFVXyNcxR1zhjS8fFA1ndk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jimsmith95663 wrote: > Hi Gang I herd that analog AM STEREO and DRM worked > better together > then AM analog and IBOC. Is there any SW DRM over > the USA? Was CHUM > AM STEREO 1050 also DRM? Jim Smith DRM works marginally better than IBOC on SW. There is some European DRM activity. CHUM no DRM. DRM requires a lot of signal strength and NO interference to work. Otherwise....no decode ! Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jul 30 18:26:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23720 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2007 01:26:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2007 01:26:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.118) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2007 01:26:23 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2007 01:25:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2007 01:25:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2007 01:25:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:25:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.118 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.0.224 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hd over night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=TGNqrPUKoP-0Ho_1_iYsWDwvogQiB7p2768e8CAvJ108X-3D X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95663" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" wrote: > > > > Hi guys and dolls, > >=20 > > www.starwaves.de=20=20=20 Forgot about Starwaves (expensive- high-end tuner), Mayah ($800??) and at least one Asian, Himalaya. > Hi Gang I herd that analog AM STEREO and DRM worked better together=20 > then AM analog and IBOC. Is there any SW DRM over the USA? Was CHUM=20 > AM STEREO 1050 also DRM? Jim Smith The difference between DRM and IBOC, aside from codecs used, is that DRM, even in hybrid mode, is more bandwidth-friendly-- Instead of placing the digital info at a 10-15kHz offset (a subcarrier, in other words0, DRM is more truly on-carrier. It's still not C-QUAM or IBOC-friendly, as in hybrid mode, the DRM signal is transmitted where the Q (L-R) signal would be. I believe 4 or 5 of the SW biblecasters in the US have DRM in operation right now. Radio Canada International's Sackville, New Brunswick transmitter site, however, is the primary North American DRM transmission site, hosting programming from a dozen stations (Radio Netherlands, Deutche Welle, for example), and are receivable all over the continent on shortwave. There are NO DRM broadcasters on MW (AM) in North America. (There are, however, a number of DRM stations on MW in Europe. There is even one LW DRM broadcaster, as far as I know, also in Europe.) As far as I know, there are no plans to introduce DRM receivers in North America. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith@vfr.net Mon Jul 30 21:39:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95672 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2007 04:39:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2007 04:39:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.118) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2007 04:39:24 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2007 04:39:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2007 04:39:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2007 04:39:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 04:39:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.118 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.150.217 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hd over night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=RXRebzEinQ3kDxcmPgd2xDhOywj_9sEqrPNW6IFuoGV2T8DFr2SW5g X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95663" > wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" wrote: > > > > > > Hi guys and dolls, > > >=20 > > > www.starwaves.de=20=20=20 >=20 > Forgot about Starwaves (expensive- high-end tuner), Mayah ($800??)=20 and > at least one Asian, Himalaya. >=20 > > Hi Gang I herd that analog AM STEREO and DRM worked better=20 together=20 > > then AM analog and IBOC. Is there any SW DRM over the USA? Was=20 CHUM=20 > > AM STEREO 1050 also DRM? Jim Smith >=20 > The difference between DRM and IBOC, aside from codecs used, is that > DRM, even in hybrid mode, is more bandwidth-friendly-- Instead of > placing the digital info at a 10-15kHz offset (a subcarrier, in=20 other > words0, DRM is more truly on-carrier. It's still not C-QUAM or > IBOC-friendly, as in hybrid mode, the DRM signal is transmitted=20 where > the Q (L-R) signal would be. >=20 > I believe 4 or 5 of the SW biblecasters in the US have DRM in > operation right now. Radio Canada International's Sackville, New > Brunswick transmitter site, however, is the primary North American=20 DRM > transmission site, hosting programming from a dozen stations (Radio > Netherlands, Deutche Welle, for example), and are receivable all=20 over > the continent on shortwave. >=20 > There are NO DRM broadcasters on MW (AM) in North America. (There=20 are, > however, a number of DRM stations on MW in Europe. There is even one > LW DRM broadcaster, as far as I know, also in Europe.) >=20 > As far as I know, there are no plans to introduce DRM receivers in > North America. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Hi Gang Thanks for the info. I will try not to ask any more "D"=20 stuff . Thank Jim Smith From radio603@malmo2.net Tue Jul 31 05:02:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio603@malmo2.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97898 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2007 12:02:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2007 12:02:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.bredband2.net) (82.209.166.4) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2007 12:02:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 32298 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2007 11:57:23 -0000 Received: from mkb-145-39-209-82.3.cust.bredband2.com (HELO malmoe) ([82.209.145.39]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.bredband2.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 31 Jul 2007 11:57:23 -0000 Message-ID: <005201c7d36a$82816260$2791d152@malmoe> To: References: <001501c7d2e8$6deaab90$2791d152@malmoe> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:01:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Originating-IP: 82.209.166.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0 From: "Roy" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hd over night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=195882801; y=oDvY5zDInguKyUaYcN1UKH4jisoCLaLvhQY8fJ3zRX4IWZU X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry I'd miss something. I mean to get a car drm reciver in my car late this year. From Starwaves in germany. roy ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 10:30 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hd over night Hi guys and dolls, www.starwaves.de got a car drm ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Mousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:50 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hd over night --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > DRM would be a better option. There aren't any > receivers yet, though with software and a radio > capable you can listen. It has some of the same faults > as IBOC. I only know of three commercially-available DRM receivers, all in Europe-- Roberts (UK), MorphyRichards (UK) and Sangean (Germany/Europe) each have one model. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.0/927 - Release Date: 2007-07-30 17:02 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio603@malmo2.net Tue Jul 31 05:04:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio603@malmo2.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1557 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2007 12:04:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2007 12:04:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.bredband2.net) (82.209.166.4) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2007 12:04:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 29470 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2007 11:10:27 -0000 Received: from mkb-145-39-209-82.3.cust.bredband2.com (HELO malmoe) ([82.209.145.39]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.bredband2.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 31 Jul 2007 11:10:27 -0000 Message-ID: <006601c7d36a$e0f11ac0$2791d152@malmoe> To: References: Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:03:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Originating-IP: 82.209.166.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0 From: "Roy" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hd over night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=195882801; y=w6TvNYud3PxJjIxMPAHZWOUTjWqtFBdgMpKaMdgkCOps2qA X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Starwaves is priced at ?400 euro AM FM DAB DRM, OK?? roy ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95663 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:39 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hd over night --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95663" > wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" wrote: > > > > > > Hi guys and dolls, > > > > > > www.starwaves.de > > Forgot about Starwaves (expensive- high-end tuner), Mayah ($800??) and > at least one Asian, Himalaya. > > > Hi Gang I herd that analog AM STEREO and DRM worked better together > > then AM analog and IBOC. Is there any SW DRM over the USA? Was CHUM > > AM STEREO 1050 also DRM? Jim Smith > > The difference between DRM and IBOC, aside from codecs used, is that > DRM, even in hybrid mode, is more bandwidth-friendly-- Instead of > placing the digital info at a 10-15kHz offset (a subcarrier, in other > words0, DRM is more truly on-carrier. It's still not C-QUAM or > IBOC-friendly, as in hybrid mode, the DRM signal is transmitted where > the Q (L-R) signal would be. > > I believe 4 or 5 of the SW biblecasters in the US have DRM in > operation right now. Radio Canada International's Sackville, New > Brunswick transmitter site, however, is the primary North American DRM > transmission site, hosting programming from a dozen stations (Radio > Netherlands, Deutche Welle, for example), and are receivable all over > the continent on shortwave. > > There are NO DRM broadcasters on MW (AM) in North America. (There are, > however, a number of DRM stations on MW in Europe. There is even one > LW DRM broadcaster, as far as I know, also in Europe.) > > As far as I know, there are no plans to introduce DRM receivers in > North America. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Hi Gang Thanks for the info. I will try not to ask any more "D" stuff . Thank Jim Smith ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.0/927 - Release Date: 2007-07-30 17:02 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jul 31 22:12:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1575 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2007 05:12:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2007 05:12:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.184) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2007 05:12:53 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 05:10:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 05:10:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 05:10:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 05:10:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006601c7d36a$e0f11ac0$2791d152@malmoe> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.109 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hd over night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=K3VDMim3mlji777zzNyVZYAnxKPFCtj_ykyjvsRqGO6mlGX_GA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" wrote: > > Starwaves is priced at ?400 euro AM FM DAB DRM, OK?? > roy >=20 Hey, Gang!!! Who will want to buy some of those "toys" if now we have very good=20 analog FM stereo receivers, with MP3 included, at less than 1/8 of the=20 Starwaves price? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Aug 01 04:04:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7126 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2007 11:04:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2007 11:04:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.112) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2007 11:04:18 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 11:03:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 11:03:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 11:03:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 11:03:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.0.224 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Hd over night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=MPsO76-Sj2R-3jy2-VKSIZ2j-Bk-vAZyL75LPiLfPdrjlBW_ X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > Who will want to buy some of those "toys" if now we have very good=20 > analog FM stereo receivers, with MP3 included, at less than 1/8 of the=20 > Starwaves price? The MorphyRichards DRM receiver runs about US$300, so it's cheaper than the Starwaves and Mayah rigs... Now, as to "why", well.... Have you ever experienced shortwave listening? I have, and for most of my life- Almost as long as I've been listening to radio itself. :) It's not as good as local AM, but the rewards are that you can listen to most of the world. DRM promises much the same as IBOC- Better sound- but it actually delivers, thanks to using a more resilient version of the digital modulation system, one that can work with some interference and over great distances-- But it's hardly perfect by any means! The same problems with IBOC exist with DRM insofar as signal dropouts and interference, although DRM was designed from the start as a medium that can survive interference, unlike IBOC. I've heard some spectacular examples of European DRM broadcasts as received in New Zealand, which vary from disasterous to very listenable. :) One key difference is that DRM uses a far more efficient codec, HE-AAC, aka "aacPlus", which encodes the stereo audio as a primary mono signal with a delta-modulated stereo difference channel, which only gives a negligable bandwidth increase-- HE-AAC is public/open source, but NOT public domain, which has caused some confusion as to the legality of using HE-AAC for open-source digital broadcasting, to the point that Coding Technologies has explicitly stated that anyone is free to use the system without restriction or royalties. Like IBOC, though, additional data can be sent with the audio, including text and pictures.....but unlike IBOC, well AM-IBOC at least, there can be more than one audio program at the same time- The current record is held by Voice of Russia, who broadcast 4 audio programs (at varying bitrates) in one DRM signal. (Deutche Welle usually has up to two.) Will DRM replace analogue AM on shortwave? I don't think so-- It'll remain pretty much a curiosity/novelty, but the DRM advancements are now altering the DAB broadcast standards allowing for greater flexibility and efficiency, although rendering present DAB systems (much of which can't be upgraded to include the new HE-AAC codec) obsolete. A friend of mine has a MorphyRichards- I do envy him, as I wish I could even afford the UKP150 for the beastie and enjoy the DRM that can be heard here from the western US. It has everything but weather radio, analogue AM stereo, sideband and narrowband FM. (Bugger.) That is, it has both Band-III and L-Band DAB, FM with RDS, MW (AM), LW and SW in both analogue AM and DRM modes-- Aside from the missing bits (and that it only uses the built-in telescopic antenna, although I do have an antenna clip), what more could a radiomousie want? :) (Well, I don't think it handles Ham-mode DRM, just the various broadcast DRM modes, though... Oh, well...) I love shortwave radio, so I'd wabt this puppy. :) If I only had about $300 to spend...... :( http://tinyurl.com/yt8oeq Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 08 09:08:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31388 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2007 16:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2007 16:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp118.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.96.91) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2007 16:08:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 81223 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2007 16:07:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w5e5u4) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@71.155.146.112 with login) by smtp118.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2007 16:07:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: h3F0UmkVM1kMLPjFwc07wfYYyWkRw_2E_NsHusk7_qP9gpJ3oqTtEQ0q4r5rnSTzG0LqsUfa_e1wU7SDSUMfkEwCrWO2OGMu46Dcn3LMEHyAn3e6RyL8SxpOhlG9tWXt6dX.igFCDeNSIQ-- Message-ID: <000c01c7d9d6$60fbec60$01e3fea9@w5e5u4> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:08:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 66.196.96.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: I was hoping not the "d" word . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=2DoRFWr2IPrp1t-6vGIP3qRDNtjXt-VPavzWQxN0I6RUoK2vJalHZ5bLRLl-MiQzoxSbTzwk X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I was hoping not to bring up the "D" word again but I have a local 50 kw that's been testing HD and you know when that Horse Dung signal is on!!!! Its really loud and noisy!!!!!! KFBK AM 1530 Sacramento Ca Take care gang Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Wed Aug 08 11:16:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44385 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2007 18:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2007 18:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2007 18:16:25 -0000 Received: from webmail17.dca.untd.com (webmail17.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.157]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABDMWCCUAQY5NJA for (sender ); Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:15:46 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLCDesXuJbMI6mukLarBK9as= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail17.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MUMZ2R56; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 11:14:53 PDT Received: from [69.234.202.141] by webmail17.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:14:15 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:14:15 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20070808.111415.21220.1@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain X-ContentStamp: 10:5:2695028410 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.157|webmail17.dca.untd.com|webmail17.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: FM - Si...AM - No X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=68wodrsnkqBYheR_xkhTPvnGQFQdezveK1yvSzAxYg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Mexico Says Hang on a Minute! =20 Mexico wants U.S. radio regulators to re-think their decision to allow AMs to go IBOC at night and FMs to operate on the extended hybrid digital carriers. Our neighbors to the south say they are not happy the FCC authorized its recent =93final=94 IBOC rules governing broadcast transmissions without first coordinating those through international treaties. In a letter to Chairman Martin filed in the IBOC docket, the Mexican Federal Telecommunications Commission, which regulates communications in Mexico, states that =93until technical criteria=94 have been established between the agencies to allow =93optimal and efficient development of analog and digital radio broadcasting along our common border,=94 the commission should hold off on the two points made earlier. Sources tell me they believe Mexico filed the letter so it would have standing in any proceeding on IBOC and to have a way to adjudicate interference claims for the border area. Indeed, the group also refers to possible interference from U.S. IBOC stations to Mexican stations as a reason to have the coordination completed according to treaties first. The FCC handles coordination with the State Department, so perhaps the timing isn=92t all up to the FCC. Interesting development. As we recently reported, Mexico has agreed in principle to allow border stations to use FM IBOC, and that decision needs to be finalized and printed in Mexico=92s version of the Federal Register.=20 by Leslie Stimson, 8.08.2007=20=09=20=20=20 Leslie Stimson is the News Editor and Washington Bureau Chief for Radio World. From djjayarnold@yahoo.com Wed Aug 08 13:15:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: djjayarnold@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84432 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2007 20:15:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2007 20:15:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.93) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2007 20:15:30 -0000 Received: from [68.142.230.28] by n8.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2007 20:07:21 -0000 Received: from [66.196.101.132] by t1.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2007 20:07:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by rrr3.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2007 20:07:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 181992.46877.bm@rrr3.mail.re1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 52391 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2007 20:07:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: We0cE1wVM1mDrrgvJi.VY.uh2xA_OTM2lFgL25Uaqe8K28RpCfnuVIygoxAUVTde4M_m2bfgVJ0eERxzi1La.fM9 Received: from [66.121.52.2] by web45311.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:07:20 PDT Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:07:20 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net In-Reply-To: <000c01c7d9d6$60fbec60$01e3fea9@w5e5u4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <353680.52228.qm@web45311.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.93 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Arnold Subject: Re: {AMSF} I was hoping not the "d" word . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317204437; y=IAUUWALhI-gfowi2tvw-Cm5__H2XJS7fKtpVd6um1mfEgrW0_5Q X-Yahoo-Profile: djjayarnold Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In response to Jim's KFBK HD note: YIPE!!! So much for listening to 10-kw KYCY 1550 AM for Oakland A's games when I'm nearer to Sacramento... --jay jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hi Gang I was hoping not to bring up the "D" word again but I have a local 50 kw that's been testing HD and you know when that Horse Dung signal is on!!!! Its really loud and noisy!!!!!! KFBK AM 1530 Sacramento Ca Take care gang Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith@vfr.net Wed Aug 08 20:31:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32720 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2007 03:31:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2007 03:31:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.206) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2007 03:31:08 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2007 03:30:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2007 03:30:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 03:30:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <353680.52228.qm@web45311.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.30.71.23 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I was hoping not the "d" word . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=xfMFgRlynAZTYjvTamG9aG-FOw2FUKeTd53IQrFqRYIwA9x_1nSc-w X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Jay Arnold =20 wrote: > > In response to Jim's KFBK HD note: > YIPE!!! > So much for listening to 10-kw KYCY 1550 AM for Oakland A's games=20 > when I'm nearer to Sacramento... > --jay >=20 > jimsmith95663@... wrote: > Hi Gang I was hoping not to bring up the "D" word again=20 but I have a local 50 kw that's been testing HD and you know when=20 that Horse Dung signal is on!!!! Its really loud and noisy!!!!!! KFBK=20 AM 1530 Sacramento Ca Take care gang Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > --------------------------------- > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket:=20 mail, news, photos & more.=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Jay and gang. KAHI AM 950 Auburn Ca pionts there 5kw signal to=20 Sacramento Ca at night and thay are a A's station. Jay I have no=20 idea why your message showed up in my e mail box. Jim Smith From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Aug 09 02:15:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5121 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2007 09:15:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2007 09:15:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.128) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2007 09:15:18 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2007 09:11:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2007 09:11:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2007 09:11:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:11:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.18.52 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Hd over night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=agiaR7fYrAzVMAd9xoKWf8T1sLdKRW3ovGmZf66BKSJqnmV_ X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: >=20 > > Who will want to buy some of those "toys" if now we have very good=20 > > analog FM stereo receivers, with MP3 included, at less than 1/8 of the=20 > > Starwaves price? >=20 > The MorphyRichards DRM receiver runs about US$300, so it's cheaper > than the Starwaves and Mayah rigs... [snip] > A friend of mine has a MorphyRichards- I do envy him, as I wish I > could even afford the UKP150 for the beastie and enjoy the DRM that > can be heard here from the western US. It has everything but weather > radio, analogue AM stereo, sideband and narrowband FM. (Bugger.) That > is, it has both Band-III and L-Band DAB, FM with RDS, MW (AM), LW and > SW in both analogue AM and DRM modes-- Aside from the missing bits > (and that it only uses the built-in telescopic antenna, although I do > have an antenna clip), what more could a radiomousie want? :) (Well, I > don't think it handles Ham-mode DRM, just the various broadcast DRM > modes, though... Oh, well...) >=20 > I love shortwave radio, so I'd wabt this puppy. :) If I only had about > $300 to spend...... :( Well, I found a few places that sold it for 199-205 euros (before VAT is subtracted- a whopping 19%! Don't EVER complain about sales tax, OK? :D ), or in other words, under US$250... Now to find one that WILL take credit cards AND ship outside the European Union, but now, I'm looking to get one before my birthday (10 October), and finally explore the new world of DRM.... :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From chrysafis74@comcast.net Thu Aug 09 05:15:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: chrysafis74@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88528 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2007 12:15:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2007 12:15:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.249) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2007 12:15:35 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n29.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2007 12:14:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2007 12:14:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2007 12:14:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:14:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.37.195.197 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Still on the Hunt for a Harris AMS-G1 Manual and Schematics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=312222918; y=1WtNCkbBqr4QB21HkQRyU11k5X1r8xpRIhI-EQkTR9_J X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd As the title states. I can't beleive how hard of a time i'm having=20 locating manuals for this thing. Thanks, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis From dwtpa97@verizon.net Thu Aug 09 06:17:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6453 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2007 13:17:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2007 13:17:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vms042pub.verizon.net) (206.46.252.42) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2007 13:17:18 -0000 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([71.101.24.189]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JMI005NFCT4TDK4@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 08:15:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:15:01 -0400 To: Message-id: <001201c7da87$4e54aa00$7201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: X-Originating-IP: 206.46.252.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Still on the Hunt for a Harris AMS-G1 Manual and Schematics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=7GTzfenunoaDXrgJn7wLej07WKcvGW06E30_ZT09Q2-TZw X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I noticed that one is apparently for sale on the internet for $95. See link. I guess they're rare enough to command that type of a price. Dick W. http://www.fmamtv.com/manexciters.html ----- Original Message ----- From: kc8gpd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 8:14 AM Subject: {AMSF} Still on the Hunt for a Harris AMS-G1 Manual and Schematics As the title states. I can't beleive how hard of a time i'm having locating manuals for this thing. Thanks, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Thu Aug 09 09:59:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51930 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2007 16:59:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2007 16:59:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.113) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2007 16:59:29 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2007 16:56:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2007 16:56:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2007 16:56:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:56:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Still on the Hunt for a Harris AMS-G1 Manual and Schematics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=BKNWKHmgTfrjOHIb-smkkSaZHyWM3DyHZVtH7okPBbD0gQjL X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Rev Bob: Go to http://www.broadcast.harris.com Click on the Premier logo on the lower left....then register for a=20 Premier login.=20=20 The manual is located in: Support/Software Library>Support Documentation>Radio>AM>AMS-G1.=20=20 If, for whatever reason, it won't let you register, send me a note=20 offline and I'd be happy to download it and email it to you. They=20 also have a service bulletin listed for something with the oscillator. Tom Ray WOR W2TRR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" =20 wrote: > > As the title states. I can't beleive how hard of a time i'm having=20 > locating manuals for this thing. >=20 >=20 > Thanks, > Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Aug 09 22:04:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91639 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2007 05:04:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2007 05:04:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.242) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2007 05:04:52 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n26.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2007 05:04:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2007 05:04:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2007 05:04:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 05:04:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.242 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.88 From: "jotape1960" Subject: What about the future? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=3tE0N78JoTQoBE97oMnWoENjD_funqvLyc9475cC-scN1x-SJg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI GANG!!! Somebody, in the world of Chilean radiobroadcasters, went to Europe=20 last month and told about a very good experience in Germany and France=20 with FM DIGITAL RADIO. But he (or she, because I don't know who was)=20 told nothing about AM DIGITAL RADIO. IF IT'S TRUE, it seems to me as a=20 very good future to the digital domain in the FM band, but not in the=20 AM band. Does it seem the AM band future will be only in analog mode?=20 in other words... almost... Death and "Out-Of-Date"? I hope AM broadcasters had learnt from their past mistakes and will be=20 able to keep the AM band, analog and stereo, but with the same past=20 glory. Am I expecting so much? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From tomray@wor710.com Fri Aug 10 09:34:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 924 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2007 16:34:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2007 16:34:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.56) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2007 16:34:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2007 16:32:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2007 16:31:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:31:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: What about the future? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=xcj5ochyCwUr4MEM9cniHyBD3vYEoKJZadpjW99v4Z-o4fHe X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: IF IT'S TRUE, it seems to me as a=20 > very good future to the digital domain in the FM band, but not in=20 the=20 > AM band. Does it seem the AM band future will be only in analog=20 mode?=20 > in other words... almost... Death and "Out-Of-Date"? >=20 A good portion of Europe and other places are abandoning the AM band.=20=20 If we don't watch out - and change things about the AM band - we'll be=20 seeing CW locator beacons instead of radio programming. Tom Ray WOR From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Aug 10 13:08:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82966 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2007 20:08:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2007 20:08:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2007 20:08:55 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.248.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.248] helo=Possum-Hunters-Computer.local) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1IJajJ-0002tI-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:05:06 -0400 Message-ID: <46BCC1B3.2050501@peoplepc.com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:51:15 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: What about the future? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=8uEdBHW6RydiZqXONHNMJOoQhjwyB7Qfd2siquNMhVlxC3lbAU8ik68xBjf-Yw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: > A good portion of Europe and other places are abandoning the AM band. > That and replacing Analog AM with DRM. Speaking of Digital, when will WOR switch to HD-Radio 24/7? Not that I can hear it over Cuba... > If we don't watch out - and change things about the AM band - we'll be seeing CW locator beacons instead of radio programming. And that may not be in the very distant future! In order for AM to thrive, interference MUST be reduced on the band. AM-FM combos should be forced to put the former AM program on an HD-2 channel and drop the AM signal. Stand alone AMs should be given the same power on FM, then AM should just be a few High Power clears instead of thousands of Locals piling on each other. Kevin From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Aug 10 14:50:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68105 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2007 21:50:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2007 21:50:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.226) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2007 21:50:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 68660 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Aug 2007 21:48:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Y62_AMwVM1kmZqxROal5EnG9dr4hXBzss8ZfyYaztiHltari23jpwiK52lqdCUFixv8neUEEQxKQere0976WWvy_lkCqkJR8e4PGtw7tU42VD4n2YddIMxBYO0V1ehoiZGo5l52XzW5h_CQmtDZElw2ylQ-- Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:48:08 PDT Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:48:08 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <46BCC1B3.2050501@peoplepc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <222890.66891.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: What about the future? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=RJiRn4popZTOJW-6VERKpg4aeDI1r7re1eSQS6G55oOnXB0clDuf X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I wholeheartedly disagree. You'd be forcing all of the A.M. congestion onto the F.M. band. It's bad enough with translators-something needed in 1970, but now not so much. Especially satellators. Plus in most locales the F.M. band is already stretched to capacity. I especially dislike the idea about higher power stations essentially running roughshod over the A.M. band because the smaller stations would be on shoehorned F.M. signals. For the A.M. band to thrive you don't need high-power stations. You need stations with compelling programming, something that is too often lacking on both bands & the real reason why people are leaving radio for other means. Yes, radio listenership is still high but it's slowly eroding. That's because of crap on the air not 4,500 small stations trying to cram into 1.07Mc. worth of spectrum (I'm discounting 1.605-1.705Mc. because those stations aren't crammed in there). There should be local lower-powered radio because those stations can serve as stepping stones for new owners to bigger & better facilities. Also, I know that last year the point was made that it would take 77 xmtrs. to cover all of the N.Y.C. market on L-band but I still think a 3rd domestic broadcast band, a digital one, should be opened up in the L-band. There all the local stations could set up new stations like they did on F.M. years ago & since they don't cover a large area, wouldn't need 77 xmtrs.. The real reason I don't like "H.D." is because of Ibiquity. Why in the hell should I pay them a royalty when I can get A.M.S. for free? A.M.S. sounds great & I don't have to spend $75k+ on licensing, getting new equipment, etc.. Plus it doesn't interfere with other stations like "H.D." does. Another irritating factor is how these "H.D." stations think just because it's digital it's better & people will flock to listen because FINALLY the static on regular radio has been elliminated. WRONG! Very few people care about that. What you DO hear is "wow that station sucks. Who would listen to THAT?" referring to the programming. PROGRAMMING, PROGRAMMING, PROGRAMMING! I know you big owners don't want to spend the $ on programming so don't scratch your heads when people flock away from your stations!!! Of course this problem is prevalent on small stations too because the owners there think they can turn the station around like on "Sell This House." Just slap some new paint on the walls & play these 6th tier networks! My final points: 1. If A.M. "H.D." is so damn great why is there a push to reduce ALL A.M. stations to 5kc. bandwidth? Maybe so the stations will sound HORRIBLE compared to "H.D." vs. what we have now compared to "H.D.". 2. Why should the analog signal be retarded (meaning held back) to match the digital signal. Why can't the digital signal be instantaneous like analog? Because digital is more fragile than analog & THAT'S why analog should remain on both radio AND T.V.. It's more robust. I can't stand the blue-screen channels on T.V.. Don't give me this either-or crap. My mind can filter out a bit of snow. Keep fighting the good fight & dammit, A.M. stereo stations need an organization like F.M. had back in the early days. The N.A.B. sure as hell isn't gonna do anything! Screw Ibiquity & 73, Jay, N1WVQ P.S.: I think I talked the owner of a local A.M. station OUT OF buying "H.D.". ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC From starship_2001@msn.com Fri Aug 10 16:55:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31406 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2007 23:55:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2007 23:55:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s25.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.225) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2007 23:55:57 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.136.18]) by bay0-omc3-s25.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:55:35 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:55:35 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.5 by BAY131-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 23:55:31 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 23:55:31 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2007 23:55:35.0370 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1A92AA0:01C7DBA9] Return-Path: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: What about the future? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=gyfeNrHvtSLAzo3MnhfmmFWpU1-5hpBer2ryu0hvJuXKxkpbnnN1ergVFg X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 I agree 100% -----Original Message----- From: JNR Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 5:48 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: What about the future? I wholeheartedly disagree. You'd be forcing all of the A.M. congestion onto the F.M. band. It's bad enough with translators-something needed in 1970, but now not so much. Especially satellators. Plus in most locales the F.M. band is already stretched to capacity. I especially dislike the idea about higher power stations essentially running roughshod over the A.M. band because the smaller stations would be on shoehorned F.M. signals. For the A.M. band to thrive you don't need high-power stations. You need stations with compelling programming, something that is too often lacking on both bands & the real reason why people are leaving radio for other means. Yes, radio listenership is still high but it's slowly eroding. That's because of crap on the air not 4,500 small stations trying to cram into 1.07Mc. worth of spectrum (I'm discounting 1.605-1.705Mc. because those stations aren't crammed in there). There should be local lower-powered radio because those stations can serve as stepping stones for new owners to bigger & better facilities. Also, I know that last year the point was made that it would take 77 xmtrs. to cover all of the N.Y.C. market on L-band but I still think a 3rd domestic broadcast band, a digital one, should be opened up in the L-band. There all the local stations could set up new stations like they did on F.M. years ago & since they don't cover a large area, wouldn't need 77 xmtrs.. The real reason I don't like "H.D." is because of Ibiquity. Why in the hell should I pay them a royalty when I can get A.M.S. for free? A.M.S. sounds great & I don't have to spend $75k+ on licensing, getting new equipment, etc.. Plus it doesn't interfere with other stations like "H.D." does. Another irritating factor is how these "H.D." stations think just because it's digital it's better & people will flock to listen because FINALLY the static on regular radio has been elliminated. WRONG! Very few people care about that. What you DO hear is "wow that station sucks. Who would listen to THAT?" referring to the programming. PROGRAMMING, PROGRAMMING, PROGRAMMING! I know you big owners don't want to spend the $ on programming so don't scratch your heads when people flock away from your stations!!! Of course this problem is prevalent on small stations too because the owners there think they can turn the station around like on "Sell This House." Just slap some new paint on the walls & play these 6th tier networks! My final points: 1. If A.M. "H.D." is so damn great why is there a push to reduce ALL A.M. stations to 5kc. bandwidth? Maybe so the stations will sound HORRIBLE compared to "H.D." vs. what we have now compared to "H.D.". 2. Why should the analog signal be retarded (meaning held back) to match the digital signal. Why can't the digital signal be instantaneous like analog? Because digital is more fragile than analog & THAT'S why analog should remain on both radio AND T.V.. It's more robust. I can't stand the blue-screen channels on T.V.. Don't give me this either-or crap. My mind can filter out a bit of snow. Keep fighting the good fight & dammit, A.M. stereo stations need an organization like F.M. had back in the early days. The N.A.B. sure as hell isn't gonna do anything! Screw Ibiquity & 73, Jay, N1WVQ P.S.: I think I talked the owner of a local A.M. station OUT OF buying "H.D.". ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! 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Scott Todd --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith@vfr.net Fri Aug 10 21:22:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19238 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2007 04:22:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2007 04:22:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11e.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.71) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2007 04:22:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2007 04:19:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2007 04:19:41 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 04:19:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01b101c7dbc0$a822b880$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.35.136.39 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: OT- new email address X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=PxHb2opHZ_esxixvq3bEWpmikVu6xcs3s5_cxUkxbwAwhJfZzth1ow X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Old email account was deleted without warning; old phone company=20 going out of business. New email address is scottn0bst@... Please=20 update your address lists. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 >=20 > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! --=20 http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Scott Can you please send me that off forum. Jim From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Aug 10 22:04:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61607 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2007 05:04:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2007 05:04:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.252) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2007 05:04:23 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n30.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2007 05:04:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2007 05:04:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2007 05:04:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 05:03:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <222890.66891.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.252 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.104 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: What about the future? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=BWsnSIFVp5yQZc7jqG7hcuI1H9LbojMPUNqx5D4Pe0hUpAHDaA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > (snip)... >=20 > The real reason I don't like "H.D." is because of > Ibiquity. Why in the hell should I pay them a > royalty when I can get A.M.S. for free? A.M.S. > sounds great & I don't have to spend $75k+ on > licensing, getting new equipment, etc.. Plus it > doesn't interfere with other stations like "H.D." > does. Another irritating factor is how these > "H.D." stations think just because it's digital > it's better & people will flock to listen because > FINALLY the static on regular radio has been > elliminated. WRONG! Very few people care about > that. What you DO hear is "wow that station > sucks. Who would listen to THAT?" referring to > the programming. PROGRAMMING, PROGRAMMING, > PROGRAMMING! I know you big owners don't want to > spend the $ on programming so don't scratch your > heads when people flock away from your > stations!!! Of course this problem is prevalent > on small stations too because the owners there > think they can turn the station around like on > "Sell This House." Just slap some new paint on > the walls & play these 6th tier networks!=20=20 >=20 > My final points: 1. If A.M. "H.D." is so damn > great why is there a push to reduce ALL A.M. > stations to 5kc. bandwidth? Maybe so the > stations will sound HORRIBLE compared to "H.D." > vs. what we have now compared to "H.D.". >=20 > 2. Why should the analog signal be retarded > (meaning held back) to match the digital signal.=20 > Why can't the digital signal be instantaneous > like analog? Because digital is more fragile > than analog & THAT'S why analog should remain on > both radio AND T.V.. It's more robust. I can't > stand the blue-screen channels on T.V.. Don't > give me this either-or crap. My mind can filter > out a bit of snow. >=20 > Keep fighting the good fight & dammit, A.M. > stereo stations need an organization like F.M. > had back in the early days. The N.A.B. sure as > hell isn't gonna do anything! >=20 > Screw Ibiquity & 73, > Jay, N1WVQ >=20 > P.S.: I think I talked the owner of a local A.M. > station OUT OF buying "H.D.". >=20 >=20 I AGREE 100% TOO!!! And I want to add: 1) I think Ibiquity "got" some FCC member votes with some "magic"=20 way (because I don't understand how they could pass the technical=20 tests). 2) I think they "got" the 5 kHz audio band limitation rules to force=20 the audience to think the analog AM band is bad (and, in the other=20 hand, the HD is better), BUT, if the responsible USA AM STEREO=20 stations would want, I think it would be very simple to demonstrate=20 it's a great lie. PLEASE, AM BROADCASTERS OF THE WORLD, PLEASE!!! GET BACK TO THE VERY=20 GOOD AND BEAUTIFUL MUSIC PROGRAMMING IN THE AM BAND!!! WITH ANALOG=20 STEREO AUDIO, PLEASE!!! LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AM STEREO BAND!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From scott.toenniessen@fmr.com Fri Aug 10 22:06:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scott.toenniessen@fmr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84992 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2007 05:05:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2007 05:05:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.241) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2007 05:05:33 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n26.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2007 05:00:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2007 05:00:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2007 05:00:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 05:00:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.241 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.223.163.5 From: "spt87a" Subject: {AMSF} Re: What about the future? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=133257283; y=AKEYVI5qWWJel2TTBy6oBuCELQ05cIqejWCpm7wXVOjm X-Yahoo-Profile: spt87a Have to disagree on the high power station thing. From what I see, the=20 only stations thriving on the AM band are the stations that always did - the 50KWers with protected skywave contours and the 5KW stations with=20 well protected coverage areas. It's time to clear the band out of all=20 the noise producing small fry. The bigger stations have the coverage,=20 audience, etc. to afford the compelling programming and have the power=20 put a good sounding signal through the much of the electrical noise=20 that is out there now. Letting the small fry increase power won't help - will just make the=20 whole thing noisy for all. Make the FMs donate one of their HD channels to these small AM=20 operators, transition it in over a 5 years, then shutdown the small AMs. > -----Original Message----- > From: JNR > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 5:48 PM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: What about the future? >=20 > shoehorned F.M. signals. For the A.M. band to > thrive you don't need high-power stations. You > need stations with compelling programming, > something that is too often lacking on both bands From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Aug 10 22:20:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95701 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2007 05:20:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2007 05:20:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2007 05:20:28 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.227.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.227] helo=Possum-Hunters-Computer.local) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1IJjNt-0002qo-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 01:19:34 -0400 Message-ID: <46BD46E4.3020207@peoplepc.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 01:19:32 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: What about the future? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=v9ABWcKe8BdVtoDPgASIIMBfJ43c4J5mNJGbjscmyi9mdN7uKbYW2DJdSALj2w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jotape1960 wrote: > I think they "got" the 5 kHz audio band limitation rules to force the audience to think the analog AM band is bad There is no 5Khz audio limitation rule. HD-Radio has a 8Khz Analog audio mode, but the Digital signal is not as robust as when using the 5kHz Analog mode. HD-Radio receivers have 5kHz audio so you can't hear the IBOC Hiss when it flips to Analog mode when you loose signal strength. Kevin From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Aug 10 22:49:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90334 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2007 05:49:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2007 05:49:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2007 05:49:05 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.227.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.227] helo=Possum-Hunters-Computer.local) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1IJjnk-0006N3-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 01:46:16 -0400 Message-ID: <46BD4D26.3020104@peoplepc.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 01:46:14 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <222890.66891.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <222890.66891.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: What about the future? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=9nwNxmR7NOTIypKONS_y_RvDalX-0xbp1H6K8QVUhUYXzyvBqKEQXbx5w_nFbg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 JNR wrote: > I wholeheartedly disagree. You'd be forcing all of the A.M. congestion onto the F.M. band. Yea but FM does not skip 500 miles at night clobbering everything on that channel. > For the A.M. band to thrive you don't need high-power stations. You need stations with compelling programming, > The best programming on Earth is no good if you can't hear it! Let the clears rule so that compelling programming can be heard over the US instead of just the COL. > There should be local lower-powered radio because those stations can serve as stepping stones for new owners to bigger & better facilities. It is called "LPFM". > Another irritating factor is how these "H.D." stations think just because it's digital it's better & people will flock to listen because FINALLY the static on regular radio has been elliminated. WRONG! Very few people care about that. Radio nuts like us are one thing, my Mom is a typical listener. She ONLY listens to radio driving her 2006 Town & Country. At the very FIRST Lightning crash, BZZZZZ from a LED traffic light, or even a PFFT from FM Multipath, she hits the Sirius Satellite button on her radio. An HD-Radio station would keep her long enough to get an Arbitron logging. > P.S.: I think I talked the owner of a local A.M.station OUT OF buying "H.D.". > The Digital signal does not have enough coverage to matter on stations less than 10 KW, so you did him a favor. He would be better off with C-QUAM on a Music format, or CAM-D for a Talker. Kevin From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Aug 10 23:05:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89079 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2007 06:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2007 06:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2007 06:05:28 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.227.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.227] helo=Possum-Hunters-Computer.local) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1IJk5u-0006RR-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 02:05:03 -0400 Message-ID: <46BD518D.9060604@peoplepc.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 02:05:01 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: What about the future? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=WxaQg9c6dFm6mGzE6VHH5X7kb57dGgaw5xx8chE-1wTQNSDt2ivCkZXVJP2Utg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 spt87a wrote: > Make the FMs donate one of their HD channels to these small AM operators, transition it in over a 5 years, then shutdown the small AMs. Just returning AM to 1960 Night Time Signal levels would help the band more than many realize. I used to listen to a LOT of stations when I was a kid that now there is no way of hearing. I can't even get CHWO anymore, and I could get them until just a few years ago. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Aug 11 07:40:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71921 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2007 14:40:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2007 14:40:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.153) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2007 14:40:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 22768 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2007 14:39:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7JCrjU8VM1kedFavFbFzbkB47Rcn3W0zt0Yq5AuNL0bTDhKezgQCp0fhwKqERP.7Aw-- Received: from [209.213.19.156] by web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:39:57 PDT Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:39:57 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <528461.22531.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: What about the future? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=x5jvZ1JB6JvpMmSLkrflfupdmDrC2NVUpk2BzpQh_1Q X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jotape1960 wrote: > 2) I think they "got" the 5 kHz audio band > limitation rules to force > the audience to think the analog AM band is bad > (and, in the other > hand, the HD is better), BUT, if the responsible USA > AM STEREO > stations would want, I think it would be very simple > to demonstrate > it's a great lie. There is NO manadatory 5 kilohertz bandwidth limit for non HD stations. CC is doing it because they are a cheerleader for HD. Even on a bandwidth limited radio 5 kilohertz is unpleasant to listen to. The GM cars are bad enough to be a traffic hazard. The audio is difficult to listen to with out having to concentrate HARD, and that takes away from driving attention. Other manufacturers are getting this ridiculous. Powelol NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat Aug 11 08:15:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77685 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2007 15:15:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2007 15:15:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.244) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2007 15:15:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 10691 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2007 15:12:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _ANRxVIVM1k09IAZ_GqXaNoCkvnXhgDWGsDk7JApjQDkVPOqHRv_k9n8HSqYbUU3KDscqp5mxBBQZ9zEInfhq9It7C6VHqpUqEMIbF4zBuoTnb9nfROjccyhmVQtpjlbxKp_B_NrkfESVZ95m66U9G5hAw-- Received: from [70.20.13.16] by web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:12:33 PDT Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:12:33 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <46BD4D26.3020104@peoplepc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <356069.9538.qm@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=FVDmRh-mNlKffo1FO0awEobrx-TrfPA9yRq7KMOtDHC-6bsRcwbO X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio For the most part, F.M. stations don't carry 500 miles obliterating everything in its immediate area. But, this is North American Summer which means...SKIP! Therefore it's entirely possible for an F.M. to carry 500=mi.. Last year in R.I. I heard a station in Bedmidji, Mn.! That's got to be 1,000 miles away if not more! When I was down in Florida the local 94.1 (class C3) which was about 10 mi. from town would get hammered by a station from Tampa. If anything you've actually made a case AGAINST high-powered stations! They carry too far in this day & age. Plus, stations only care about their primary groundwave coverage anyway. No one's selling skywave coverage that I know of! Individuals can NOT own an L.P.F.M. as they are solely for non-profit educational organizations. Of course there ARE back-door methods around that (WBLQ-LP). Plus, stations are not as cheap as they were pre-1996. The station I told the owner not to go "H.D." on, well the previous owner bought it for $150k in 1991 (24h 5kW D.A.-D&N) sold it to the current owner in 1998 for $750k & this guy wants $1M for it. An average person can't afford that! Plus, who says high power would automatically guarantee compelling programming? They could run all home shopping! (which to me is dreadful) You want high power with long coverage, lobby the F.C.C. for the Longwave broadcasting band (which would be what here in Region 2? 150-280kc. on 10kc. steps?). My mother listens to radio in her '98 Grand Caravan on which the A.M. section is mono & sounds lousy. She listens to a little 1kW A.M. graveyarder 15 mi. away because they play what she wants to hear. Through the noise, static, etc.. Different strokes. If the N.R.S.C. gets its way ALL A.M. stations will be reduced to 5 or 7kc. bandwidth. Then they can say what they've "known" all along: A.M. sounds bad. Of course it does, on 5kc. bandwidth! So does N.B.F.M. (narrowband F.M.)!!! Anyway, Jeff Littlejohn was pushing that a few years ago. Thankfully it's stagnated for now. I think docket 80-90 was a good thing. I think the clears only getting protected to 700/750 miles (unsure which it is as I've never found the 47CFR73 rule which states it) & wish they had LESS protection! Here in Providence, we're prohibited from adding stations on 720, 870 & 1070 because of class A stations. You can hardly even hear these stations here! More stations (especially lower power stations)=good because there are simply more voices. It's just a matter of more people getting them! Also, for my purposes, satellators are NOT stations. They're just an ego trip for their owners. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Aug 11 10:36:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73836 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2007 17:36:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2007 17:36:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2007 17:36:55 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.104.114.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.104.114] helo=Possum-Hunters-Computer.local) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1IJupd-0000CG-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:32:59 -0400 Message-ID: <46BDF1FA.3000401@peoplepc.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:29:30 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <356069.9538.qm@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <356069.9538.qm@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=5MNovzsqpPGiReET7xzfPqV52ucdY8AJvGbjdJu9lEnwRuNJI30ko22mEJEmCw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 JNR wrote: > No one's selling skywave coverage that I know of! > WLAC, WCKY, WLW, WBAP, CHWO comes to mind... > Plus, who says high power would automatically guarantee compelling programming? It won't, but the big guns can cover enough area to make it possible. > You want high power with long coverage, lobby the F.C.C. for the Longwave broadcasting band I think Longwave would be a GREAT idea in North America. I also like the idea of allowing Domestic Shortwave on the Tropical bands. > More stations (especially lower power stations)=good because there are simply more voices. And a LOT more interference! What good is it to make every AM a graveyard? > for my purposes, satellators are NOT stations. They're just an ego trip for their owners. > I agree! I think ALL stations should be required to originate 80% of their programming from a Studio in their City Of License. I also think groups should only be allowed to own 1 Clear channel AM in the US, but there should be NO other station on that clear channel. Kevin From starship_2001@msn.com Sat Aug 11 16:01:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54493 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2007 23:01:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2007 23:01:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s6.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.78) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2007 23:01:52 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.136.20]) by bay0-omc1-s6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:00:45 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:00:45 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.3 by BAY131-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 23:00:44 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 23:00:44 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2007 23:00:45.0268 (UTC) FILETIME=[73053140:01C7DC6B] Return-Path: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.78 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=WQfCx9IbwXg2hIBWHfNfaZaMMxKKfGU_TAlAGFQxA-uLhVTfxdaCcoZM-g X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 I'm in Warwick R.I. and hear a 1070 out of Canada most nights as of a few months ago. When conditions are good i can hear WGN on 720. Also i have heard WWL on 870 when conditions allowed. Most of my real listening nowadays is done on satelite radio where i find desirable CONTENT !!!!! -----Original Message----- From: JNR Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 11:12 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} ! For the most part, F.M. stations don't carry 500 miles obliterating everything in its immediate area. But, this is North American Summer which means...SKIP! Therefore it's entirely possible for an F.M. to carry 500=mi.. Last year in R.I. I heard a station in Bedmidji, Mn.! That's got to be 1,000 miles away if not more! When I was down in Florida the local 94.1 (class C3) which was about 10 mi. from town would get hammered by a station from Tampa. If anything you've actually made a case AGAINST high-powered stations! They carry too far in this day & age. Plus, stations only care about their primary groundwave coverage anyway. No one's selling skywave coverage that I know of! Individuals can NOT own an L.P.F.M. as they are solely for non-profit educational organizations. Of course there ARE back-door methods around that (WBLQ-LP). Plus, stations are not as cheap as they were pre-1996. The station I told the owner not to go "H.D." on, well the previous owner bought it for $150k in 1991 (24h 5kW D.A.-D&N) sold it to the current owner in 1998 for $750k & this guy wants $1M for it. An average person can't afford that! Plus, who says high power would automatically guarantee compelling programming? They could run all home shopping! (which to me is dreadful) You want high power with long coverage, lobby the F.C.C. for the Longwave broadcasting band (which would be what here in Region 2? 150-280kc. on 10kc. steps?). My mother listens to radio in her '98 Grand Caravan on which the A.M. section is mono & sounds lousy. She listens to a little 1kW A.M. graveyarder 15 mi. away because they play what she wants to hear. Through the noise, static, etc.. Different strokes. If the N.R.S.C. gets its way ALL A.M. stations will be reduced to 5 or 7kc. bandwidth. Then they can say what they've "known" all along: A.M. sounds bad. Of course it does, on 5kc. bandwidth! So does N.B.F.M. (narrowband F.M.)!!! Anyway, Jeff Littlejohn was pushing that a few years ago. Thankfully it's stagnated for now. I think docket 80-90 was a good thing. I think the clears only getting protected to 700/750 miles (unsure which it is as I've never found the 47CFR73 rule which states it) & wish they had LESS protection! Here in Providence, we're prohibited from adding stations on 720, 870 & 1070 because of class A stations. You can hardly even hear these stations here! More stations (especially lower power stations)=good because there are simply more voices. It's just a matter of more people getting them! Also, for my purposes, satellators are NOT stations. They're just an ego trip for their owners. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Aug 12 15:56:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67555 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2007 22:56:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2007 22:56:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.234) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2007 22:56:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 99290 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2007 22:56:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tFQwHgYVM1laz_f7IXBtC.dulyyl7uwu10iwkLPN6DLdaur8JfSkAhlacQ7AyT_dAz8OOciMP2oi_1NP6rEWdVJho1vGShDhiY_VEGdJLz6zdMoT6csvlsZ5gy5yJw-- Received: from [70.20.13.16] by web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:56:19 PDT Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:56:19 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <46BDF1FA.3000401@peoplepc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <214386.98115.qm@web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=feVP_vLtfFkAJnSvfzqQWgTRu07ZOkKwkGVWdg0ivMAaVKZjwi-S X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I've never heard CHWO or WBAP go for advertisers waaay outside of their market area. The other 3 are all owned by Queer Channel & so I have no interest in them. WLAC can't even be received here. Plus what do WLW or WCKY have of interest to me in Rhode Island? We'd be better served with 2 more stations locally coming on-air on 700 & 1530 providing local services. Anyway, why would a local R.I. merchant buy on a station in OHIO? All 50kW does for the local market area is drive up the electric bill for the XMTRs.. Our dominant A.M. here (WPRO) is 5kW. Most of our stations are 5kW (WSKO, WHJJ, WPMZ, WRNI, WARL, WARV). The ONE 50kW here is dark because they can't afford the electric bill. If they were to REDUCE POWER to 10kW they could remove 3 towers & cover this market more effectively (according to an engineer @ Queer Channel's WHJJ). In the stupid quest for higher power (little penis syndrome) a station in Beverly, Ma., WNSH, has worked out an agreement for a station in Taunton, Ma. to be deleted to WNSH can go from .5kW-D/85W-N to 30kW-D/85W-N. With such a difference in power, people will get PISSED AT THAT! "Why can't I hear WNSH at night. They suck!" PLUS, Taunton is a town that actually can support a local station as they're so rabidly local there. It's just that the station hasn't had a good owner. No amount of power will bring quality programming. By the way, "local service" to Taunton will continue on 50kW WSNE-FM which is based in & sells to Providence. As for the interference, local coverage is more important than skywave. Graveyarders are the unsung heroes of broadcasting. They're only SUPPOSED TO provide coverage to a town or 2 & are not regional stations! Whatever they get @ night is a bonus. I've worked @ 3 graveyarders in my 12 years in radio: WHIM/1450-West Warwick, R.I.; WFOY/1240-St. Augustine, Fl. & WOON/1240-Woonsocket, R.I.. WHIM was trying to be a rimshotter & failed. WFOY & WOON still provide a local service (WOON more so than WFOY). I like that the clears were broken down. They don't provide country-wide coverage & you'd have wasted space that could be filled by a local station, which is what happened. KTNN (owned by the Navajo nation) provides an inferior service on 660kc. than WFAN??? KRVN in Nebraska shouldn't be on air so that someone in the same state can instead of receiving farm news can receive N.Y.C. traffic conditions on WCBS??? Anyway for these stations to cover the entire nation now, you'd probably need @ least 200kW, if not 500kW or 1MW to overcome all the interference & garbage prevalent on the lower frequency spectrum today. This isn't a point, more of a pondering: what would happen to the beacons on L.W. if broadcast stations were to open up there? I think in Europe they're shared but I'm not sure. Plus, I read somewhere that L.W. broadcasting is only suitable above 45 or 50 degree latitudes. I think broadcasting needs more spectrum & the best place is the L-band (1.452-1.492GHz) which would provide new opportunities to people who want their own stations but can't afford a current station because of the high prices that can now be demanded because of the stupid Telecom Act of '96. Following that, keep the UHF TV channels but remove VHF low (2-6) with an amateur 4m band @ 70-72 & expand the N.C.E. F.M. band down to 76, BUT reinstate the requirement against religious operators. E.M.F. is the Queer Channel of the religious broadcasting world. It's supposed to be "educational" broadcasting, not "commercial" so you're not interfering in commerce (snicker). One other thing, why should an F.M. employing "H.D." (which I DO like the idea of multicasting) HAVE to give up one of its channels for a local, unaffiliated A.M.? As for the local studio thing, that'd be nice except you know broadcasters would figure out a way around that. It would be a closet somewhere where all but 1 or 2 shifts are voicetracked. Not that I'm opposed to the local presence. What I'd like to see is for N.C.E.s to have to limit their satellite or internet-received programming time to 6hrs. daily or less. But that'll never happen even though N.C.E.s aren't businesses (snicker again!). 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 (Trying to get an N.C.E.F.M. license for my ham club here in 2 months time.) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Aug 12 16:02:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48650 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2007 23:02:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2007 23:02:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.244) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2007 23:02:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 4567 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2007 23:01:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XZsHF.UVM1nHtpHOul9t1VSP6NMRKr.dVEpJo8ewX_Mnr71C5F1Y8BmxrSs0TFPXLHAhAR1WcbPLs9puEUN7LTGfcF4779ElUVcrcp3RA9wxBpsNJIFO.hBg5JlTAWMIjV4mywBqXo_vbRiHI3JeHppA9g-- Received: from [70.20.13.16] by web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:01:18 PDT Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:01:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <659292.4509.qm@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=xe5ze6uMZlhBB5iMl0Shqi5JfJ9EKnrwE_B_-sLVWJL_dCX5XZjG X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio 1070 is CBA-Moncton which sadly is going away. I've heard a Wisconsin sports blabber on the same frequency so that's probably what we'll be saddled with on 1070 here. WGN used to be blocked by that oldies station on P.E.I. although now the call escapes me. WWL is a tough catch here. There's a Syracuse, N.Y. that comes in sometimes as well. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Aug 12 16:25:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76472 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2007 23:25:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2007 23:25:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2007 23:25:31 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.235.250.242.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.235.250.242] helo=Possum-Hunters-Computer.local) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1IKMnV-00039p-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:24:38 -0400 Message-ID: <46BF96B4.7010907@peoplepc.com> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:24:36 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <214386.98115.qm@web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <214386.98115.qm@web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=dd-Yo230B1pCa91Hh9wTrDeH7BapgZG9EF9UHTbNMPyX2xzo9Hvr2IdBhzCwzw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Both WCKY and WLAC sell time blocks on the Skywave after midnight. Might not be what you want to hear, but that IS selling the Skywave signal! WBAP and WLW uses their Skywave to serve over-the-road truck drivers. WWL, WLAC, KRVN, and WKBW did until recently. CHWO serves Canada with their Skywave. Here many stations NEED 50KW to cover their local market without being hammered by Cuba. Here in Central and Southern Florida, we get "served" by the 100KW and 500KW signals from Cuba 24/7 while the "Bubble Jammer" hammers our other Spanish stations. Radio Marti and Cuba battles it out with 50 KW on other channels, including 530 and 1180. 5KW and 1KW? At night you can't hear those stations in their own parking lots! Kevin JNR wrote: > I've never heard CHWO or WBAP go for advertisers > waaay outside of their market area. The other 3 > are all owned by Queer Channel & so I have no > interest in them. WLAC can't even be received > here. Plus what do WLW or WCKY have of interest > to me in Rhode Island? We'd be better served > with 2 more stations locally coming on-air on 700 > & 1530 providing local services. Anyway, why > would a local R.I. merchant buy on a station in > OHIO? > > All 50kW does for the local market area is drive > up the electric bill for the XMTRs.. Our > dominant A.M. here (WPRO) is 5kW. Most of our > stations are 5kW (WSKO, WHJJ, WPMZ, WRNI, WARL, > WARV). The ONE 50kW here is dark because they > can't afford the electric bill. If they were to > REDUCE POWER to 10kW they could remove 3 towers & > cover this market more effectively (according to > an engineer @ Queer Channel's WHJJ). > > In the stupid quest for higher power (little > penis syndrome) a station in Beverly, Ma., WNSH, > has worked out an agreement for a station in > Taunton, Ma. to be deleted to WNSH can go from > .5kW-D/85W-N to 30kW-D/85W-N. With such a > difference in power, people will get PISSED AT > THAT! "Why can't I hear WNSH at night. They > suck!" PLUS, Taunton is a town that actually can > support a local station as they're so rabidly > local there. It's just that the station hasn't > had a good owner. No amount of power will bring > quality programming. By the way, "local service" > to Taunton will continue on 50kW WSNE-FM which is > based in & sells to Providence. > > As for the interference, local coverage is more > important than skywave. Graveyarders are the > unsung heroes of broadcasting. They're only > SUPPOSED TO provide coverage to a town or 2 & are > not regional stations! Whatever they get @ night > is a bonus. I've worked @ 3 graveyarders in my > 12 years in radio: WHIM/1450-West Warwick, R.I.; > WFOY/1240-St. Augustine, Fl. & > WOON/1240-Woonsocket, R.I.. WHIM was trying to > be a rimshotter & failed. WFOY & WOON still > provide a local service (WOON more so than WFOY). > > I like that the clears were broken down. They > don't provide country-wide coverage & you'd have > wasted space that could be filled by a local > station, which is what happened. KTNN (owned by > the Navajo nation) provides an inferior service > on 660kc. than WFAN??? KRVN in Nebraska > shouldn't be on air so that someone in the same > state can instead of receiving farm news can > receive N.Y.C. traffic conditions on WCBS??? > Anyway for these stations to cover the entire > nation now, you'd probably need @ least 200kW, if > not 500kW or 1MW to overcome all the interference > & garbage prevalent on the lower frequency > spectrum today. > > This isn't a point, more of a pondering: what > would happen to the beacons on L.W. if broadcast > stations were to open up there? I think in > Europe they're shared but I'm not sure. Plus, I > read somewhere that L.W. broadcasting is only > suitable above 45 or 50 degree latitudes. > > I think broadcasting needs more spectrum & the > best place is the L-band (1.452-1.492GHz) which > would provide new opportunities to people who > want their own stations but can't afford a > current station because of the high prices that > can now be demanded because of the stupid Telecom > Act of '96. Following that, keep the UHF TV > channels but remove VHF low (2-6) with an amateur > 4m band @ 70-72 & expand the N.C.E. F.M. band > down to 76, BUT reinstate the requirement against > religious operators. E.M.F. is the Queer Channel > of the religious broadcasting world. It's > supposed to be "educational" broadcasting, not > "commercial" so you're not interfering in > commerce (snicker). > > One other thing, why should an F.M. employing > "H.D." (which I DO like the idea of multicasting) > HAVE to give up one of its channels for a local, > unaffiliated A.M.? > > As for the local studio thing, that'd be nice > except you know broadcasters would figure out a > way around that. It would be a closet somewhere > where all but 1 or 2 shifts are voicetracked. > Not that I'm opposed to the local presence. What > I'd like to see is for N.C.E.s to have to limit > their satellite or internet-received programming > time to 6hrs. daily or less. But that'll never > happen even though N.C.E.s aren't businesses > (snicker again!). > > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 > (Trying to get an N.C.E.F.M. license for my ham > club here in 2 months time.) > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > that gives answers, not web links. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Aug 12 16:56:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3093 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2007 23:56:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2007 23:56:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.37.185) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2007 23:56:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 72430 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2007 23:56:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tVa3am4VM1mqd9KH4m3VfwaDEoxc2EUR8ceRGhlDSQF1zT0OYVpbEnr05E3PzsjeE5cZawwRQcPXR1sb4pFR1ULZYJVNBxRjSWoNUaUN6El4tipCX8qcsTYtddY3wLoLgvK5.4yXUqbhYee9RXez8cIv Received: from [70.20.13.16] by web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:56:37 PDT Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:56:37 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <46BF96B4.7010907@peoplepc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <816439.70865.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.37.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=8sLapn--bZz_ZhfSyOyCCb086-m7of21qJh_GFrlTwVgKwsC8M0q X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I used to live in St. Augustine & am familiar with Florida A.M. radio. Occasionally the Voice of the devil, 570 CM?? comes up here. That voice still gives me the creeps. That being said, that's a perfect demonstration how HIGH power is more dangerous in terms of interference than low power. It reminds me of C.B. when a lot of stations had "leeeeen-yers!" Wall-wall interference! If they had stayed @ 4W then a lot of that QRM would be naught. A 10kW limit on A.M.s sounds like a good idea actually. Plus, a lot of receivers have front ends wider than a whole farm, never mind a barn door! CHWO doesn't sell that service though. They can be heard here but who in Toronto is going to buy advertising because the station can be heard in R.I.? Plus. CHWO doesn't show in the local ratings. Even WCBS which DOES show in the ratings has no sales office in Providence. I hate to say this, but skywave service is more or less a '30s relic. There's only been 1 place I've been in in 28 years & 4 days on this planet that it's been the only radio available: along Rt.201 in rural Maine about 30 mi. north of Skowhegan. Yes, 5kW & 1kW! I really HATE that sentiment that they can't be heard outside of their "parking lots" because it's not true (unless they're really cheap & their ground system has turned to dust)! I got an e-mail from someone on the ABDX board once who heard "puny 5kW" WPRO/630-Providence in Minnesota last winter. Here they cover about 80 miles in the daytime. Compare that to "mighty" WWZN/1510 in Boston which has never been a market player since their increase to 50kW from 5kW. But hey, it IS the most DXed U.S. A.M. station in the U.K.! Anyway, WWZN is on its, I dunno, 10th? owner since then. The electric bill is too high & so is the rent. If anything it seems 50kW is more of a hinderance. Pretty much anything over 10kW is really. I love the fact that I can pick up stations from far away. It was nice to hear somewhat-good radio in St. Augustine come in from near home instead of the vapid offerings of the Jacksonville market. However to want to eliminate local broadcasters on basis of "interference" to the BIG BOYS is dangerous! By the way, has WCFI/1290 returned to air yet? It have about another 4 months until it loses its license & the 2 numbers for them have both been disconnected. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ From badeditpro@comcast.net Sun Aug 12 17:51:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60128 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2007 00:51:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2007 00:51:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO alnrmhc16.comcast.net) (206.18.177.56) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2007 00:51:31 -0000 Received: from yourfd6nvjcer4 (c-24-125-52-110.hsd1.va.comcast.net[24.125.52.110]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc16) with SMTP id <20070813003601b1600qk002e>; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 00:36:01 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c7dd41$ef321cc0$6e347d18@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:36:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Originating-IP: 206.18.177.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: Future = A New Band. ...Maybe? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=294947950; y=fWSd-kPNIJO8qJlYcK4fvNNITuS3EeqHTALRIhK-Xs6ABsrgqzy-WWgbIjXG X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know I'm jumping in a bit late here but I honestly think IBOC is not going to work as is. DAB would be better suited on it's own band. Neither the AM or FM IBOC schemes allow enough bandwidth to really have any audio quality advantage over the analog counterparts for either service. FM IBOC allows for a 96 kbps stream and AM for only 34 kbps.... And, since everyone has jumped on the HD2 bandwagon on FM, that 96 kbps is further divided up into additional channels. The bare minimum for a true HI-FI codec is 128kbps. 192 is better still and 256 is ideal. A new DAB band would have channels wide enough to allow for those higher bitrates which would be a better sounding service than analog AM, FM or anything coming down off a satellite. The other issue with IBOC is the abysmal performance of the receivers. If the radio will not lock up on the digital signal under slightly challenging reception conditions like being in an office building, apartment complex or if you happen to be on the fringe of the station's signal, what is the point? A new band with new radios better tuned to pick up wider band digital only signals would likely exhibit much better performance than the current scheme of trying to "strip" the digital info off of an analog carrier. The new system could take advantage of spread-spectrum modulation which is currently being used to transmit cell phone traffic, internet and digital studio to transmitter audio in some places. Spread-spectrum is a lot less apt to suffer from interference issues that are common to AM and FM systems and that would make for better performance. Period. You do realize, however, that all of this might be a moot point because of emerging technology. WiMax is coming and it will allow you to get high-speed internet access anywhere. It's like what the cell phone networks do now. So, what we call "radio" programming may be coming over the internet in the future along with everything else that's on the internet now like streaming video, news, movies TV shows and more. All on demand and available anywhere in the world where you can get a connection. That just might be the future of everything. :) Joe Collins - Operations Manager WSIG/WBOP Vox Communications Harrisonburg, VA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Aug 12 19:34:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89257 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2007 02:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2007 02:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2007 02:34:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 78857 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2007 02:34:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Yf0di3sVM1lmM40n.Igz7gjwH7l_uX0Qnkr4btGegVwwbu5rXX_ZwfQhThWgvkn7qzg8vK3TXQ-- Received: from [209.213.18.162] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:34:12 PDT Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:34:12 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000a01c7dd41$ef321cc0$6e347d18@yourfd6nvjcer4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <296201.78833.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Future = A New Band. ...Maybe? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=AZ25mvoCYrjjD0Qqt4hH-JpEroW1erIRzgd7eB-Ln34 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Joe a separate band and DAB was originally proposed as you said, but it put everyone on an even keel and the big boy nixed it and we have the kluge of IBOC. Powell --- Joe Collins wrote: > I know I'm jumping in a bit late here but I honestly > think IBOC is not going to work as is. DAB would be > better suited on it's own band. Neither the AM or > FM IBOC schemes allow enough bandwidth to really > have any audio quality advantage over the analog > counterparts for either service. FM IBOC allows for > a 96 kbps stream and AM for only 34 kbps.... And, > since everyone has jumped on the HD2 bandwagon on > FM, that 96 kbps is further divided up into > additional channels. The bare minimum for a true > HI-FI codec is 128kbps. 192 is better still and 256 > is ideal. A new DAB band would have channels wide > enough to allow for those higher bitrates which > would be a better sounding service than analog AM, > FM or anything coming down off a satellite. NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Aug 12 19:55:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75534 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2007 02:55:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2007 02:55:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.229) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2007 02:55:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 15475 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2007 02:53:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .uOoHw4VM1mIi9X.yC2mIN1SPfYFc4Q2XLWrvMzi630t_74tGQe206HxFhqQd1k.jg-- Received: from [70.20.13.16] by web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:53:21 PDT Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:53:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <296201.78833.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <619370.15458.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Future = A New Band. ...Maybe? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=eAoy6dLIa8ChdtffOAjHMFsKkHt3HGhrPMDMkNsUA1Mxk4_Vhge4 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Can't someone or a company apply for a Part 5 experimental broadcast license for a D.A.B. station? I wonder if one of the equipment manufacturers would donate for a D.A.B. station. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Aug 12 22:11:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79562 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2007 05:11:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2007 05:11:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.184) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2007 05:11:03 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2007 05:10:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2007 05:10:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2007 05:10:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 05:10:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <619370.15458.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.3.214 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Future = A New Band. ...Maybe? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=VdzgPS6T-3hK2Z0GWzUP1vdVtJkqVvvd0BCYWGiHZoA-43AI X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Can't someone or a company apply for a Part 5 > experimental broadcast license for a D.A.B. > station? I wonder if one of the equipment > manufacturers would donate for a D.A.B. station. Experimental-provision DAB broadcasting is done at the Las Vegas CES. Since DAB chips are made by Texas Instruments, DAB can be received from their plant north of Seattle, WA from the Vancouver, BC DAB transmitters, Also, because the car radios used in Canada (and other parts of the world) are made in the Detroit area, they use the Winsor, ONT DAB service in that area. (Currently, DAB is "on hold"- neither discontinues or any further growth- until Canada's digital radio group can come up with a better plan that would attract more interest- DAB in Canada has been considered largely a failure, not the least for there being a dismal selection of radios that don't perform as well as their UK/European counterparts. With the announcement of DAB+, using aacPlus instead of MP2 as a replacement of the current DAB system, Canada may probably adopt DAB+ by 2012.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Aug 13 03:28:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47702 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2007 10:28:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2007 10:28:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2007 10:28:26 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.105.129.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.105.129] helo=Possum-Hunters-Computer.local) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1IKX93-0000cV-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 06:27:34 -0400 Message-ID: <46C03215.9020406@peoplepc.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 06:27:33 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <816439.70865.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <816439.70865.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=e3oZ7jOsaF0jnWbLPIkXUGyIvX-MUsX6343-EMrDCTA2IEQLdwbY-c4XdC-WkA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 JNR wrote: > By the way, has WCFI/1290 returned to air yet? It is Silent and the towers are down, and building is gone. Possum From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Aug 13 04:19:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96111 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2007 11:19:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2007 11:19:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.233) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2007 11:19:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 10402 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2007 11:18:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: q.Bh_7UVM1mKzYTGwhMmOU8exwHKh64vuGeJ_8wYn17l_QOL.zUk1UlIJAlJUwx6Cw-- Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 04:18:15 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 04:18:15 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <46C03215.9020406@peoplepc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <578605.10100.qm@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=X8nLlf-k3u1kcisq5mVlWAAsUnQGNM3bB3TiV-XMUyse-YvXcw7I X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio That's sad. I hope it comes back to life but it doesn't sound like it. 73, Jay ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Aug 13 05:51:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39382 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2007 12:51:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2007 12:51:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.154) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2007 12:51:54 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.229.47]) by bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 05:48:46 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 05:48:46 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.229.220 by by110fd.bay110.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:48:40 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:48:40 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2007 12:48:46.0206 (UTC) FILETIME=[499479E0:01C7DDA8] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=m4vdy3U_kLPespjdCQAKsZzvUWbYHNO6FvgFZvoTSX3KIa2G3F7dfBbzJew X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo I was thinking WCFI was the 1290 silent operation out of Ocala, FL and here is what I found, which confirms what both Kevins have been saying. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WCFI From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search WCFI City of license Ocala, Florida Broadcast area Gainesville-Ocala, Florida Slogan News, Information, and Real Country Frequency 1290 (kHz) Format News/Talk, Country ERP 5,000 watts Class B Owner Vector Communications WCFI was a commercial radio station in Ocala, Florida, broadcasting to the Gainesville-Ocala, Florida area on 1290 AM. WCFI's transmitter tower was severely damaged during the 2004 hurricane season, and the station has been off the air since August 2004. However, the FCC license for the station is still valid. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Also 38 miles south of Ocala, 1170 am (WKFI), Bushnell,FL (which changed formats almost monthly) has been silent for at least 6 months. Bushnell, FL, the county seat of Sumter county has no radio stations now, even though 1170 for the last several years had no local programming whatsoever. Donn, St. Petersburg,FL From tomray@wor710.com Mon Aug 13 10:01:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51235 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2007 17:01:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2007 17:01:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.216) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2007 17:01:50 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2007 16:59:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2007 16:59:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:59:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <46BCC1B3.2050501@peoplepc.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: What about the future? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=n3QHWSGldmFAYJvJtwogQlbvKjVgGLyEZRTTAQiHPoz0U6ZV X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter =20 wrote: > > Tom Ray wrote: > > A good portion of Europe and other places are abandoning the AM=20 band.=20=20 > >=20=20=20 >=20 > That and replacing Analog AM with DRM. Speaking of Digital, when will=20 > WOR switch to HD-Radio 24/7? Not that I can hear it over Cuba... >=20 >=20 Hey...you gotta admit....Fidel is playing some pretty good tunes=20 lately. It's not all "Viva Cuba" any more!! WOR will go 24/7 HD 30 days after the regulations are published in the=20 Federal Register, when it will become legal to do so. Still=20 waiting....... I'm glad the Commission didn't wait this long to publish the rule=20 eliminating the code test requirements for Hams..... Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Mon Aug 13 10:10:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52994 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2007 17:10:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2007 17:10:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.244) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2007 17:10:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2007 17:09:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2007 17:09:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:09:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <222890.66891.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: What about the future? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=2OgJGemBJLF-5UqdqScKIwnN13Mjd4OqvNF-rIh-8A3uTVo1 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > The real reason I don't like "H.D." is because of > Ibiquity. Why in the hell should I pay them a > royalty when I can get A.M.S. for free? A.M.S. > sounds great & I don't have to spend $75k+ on > licensing, getting new equipment, etc..=20=20 For the same reason you pay Microsoft for the privilege to run=20 Windows on your computer....they wrote and own the code that makes it=20 happen. You pay a licensing fee when you first go HD (just like=20 buying Microsoft Windows). And you have to buy the computer - a=20 computer isn't supplied with Windows. The only other time you would=20 pay iBiquity would be if you run an HD multicast channel or data=20 services that the station is paid to run. Thems the rules.=20 If you want to do AMS the right way, you'd probably be spending=20 upwards of the same amount of $. You'd need an exciter, monitor, and=20 audio processing. If your STL isn't stereo, you'd need to replace=20 that. If your antenna system sucks the large one, you would need to=20 work on it - otherwise, you won't get the stereo separation and=20 frequency response. If your transmitter is more of a distortion=20 generator and is not phase stable through the RF stages, it will=20 drastically affect your AMS performance, and it will need replacement. You're talking spending bucks either way. Unless, of course, you'll=20 be satisfied with schlock, which is partly how our business got into=20 this mess to begin with..... Tom Ray WOR W2TRR From tomray@wor710.com Mon Aug 13 10:19:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43225 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2007 17:19:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2007 17:19:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.117) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2007 17:19:34 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2007 17:19:24 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2007 17:19:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2007 17:19:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:19:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: What about the future? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=pyml4QRX9QttW4S1vnObu0xif--R0yPPA5VywBSMTl2qQEqd X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > >=20 > 1) I think Ibiquity "got" some FCC member votes with some "magic"=20 > way (because I don't understand how they could pass the technical=20 > tests). No one will know for sure - but the Commission has been calling for a=20 digital future for radio even before iBiquity came on the scene, so=20 it's been sitting on the back burner. >=20 > 2) I think they "got" the 5 kHz audio band limitation rules to=20 force=20 > the audience to think the analog AM band is bad (and, in the other=20 > hand, the HD is better), BUT, if the responsible USA AM STEREO=20 > stations would want, I think it would be very simple to demonstrate=20 > it's a great lie. Think again. The HD sidebands start at 5kHz. Having audio up to=20 10kHz will degrade the HD sidebands. That is the reason for having=20 the audio reduced to 5K. There are no "rules" for 5K audio. 5K audio only applies to HD=20 operation, and its a requirement of the HD system. Stations=20 optionally can operate HD with 8K audio, but that degrades the HD=20 coverage. In 5K mode, the radio can demod data from either=20 sideband. In 8K mode, the radio must demod data from both sidebands=20 at all times. Sideband levels vary independently due to many reasons=20 in the field. If a radio must see viable data from both sidebands at=20 all times, the chances of data demodulation is less than if it only=20 needs to recover data from one sideband and can pick which one it=20 likes better. That being said, there was a proposal from Clear Channel regarding=20 reducing the audio bandwidth to 5K across the board. This proposal=20 was to further reduce adjacent channel interference. You can listen=20 to WLW and WGN in the vicinity of the WOR transmitter at night=20 because of our 5K limitation. I have been to Cincinnatti and=20 listened to WOR in the vicinity of the WLW transmitter because of=20 their 5K limitation. There is some merit to this proposal. But it=20 is not part of the rules. This is only an option that some stations=20 consider. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Mon Aug 13 10:29:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61998 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2007 17:29:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2007 17:29:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.166) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2007 17:29:20 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n7.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2007 17:28:03 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2007 17:28:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2007 17:28:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:28:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c7dd41$ef321cc0$6e347d18@yourfd6nvjcer4> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Future = A New Band. ...Maybe? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=l4XZChGXBQCBsdTmXXhii8IMo9z4JUVfe_Kzo7pwDPe1BATh X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Collins" =20 wrote: > The other issue with IBOC is the abysmal performance of the=20 receivers. If the radio will not lock up on the digital signal under=20 slightly challenging reception conditions like being in an office=20 building, apartment complex or if you happen to be on the fringe of=20 the station's signal, what is the point? A new band with new radios=20 better tuned to pick up wider band digital only signals would likely=20 exhibit much better performance than the current scheme of trying=20 to "strip" the digital info off of an analog carrier. The new system=20 could take advantage of spread-spectrum modulation which is currently=20 being used to transmit cell phone traffic, internet and digital=20 studio to transmitter audio in some places. Spread-spectrum is a lot=20 less apt to suffer from interference issues that are common to AM and=20 FM systems and that would make for better performance. Period. >=20 Hi Joe: You're dead on with the radios. I happen to like my Kenwood - it=20 performs very well, and is a good all around radio. I've tried=20 almost all of them - and am disturbed at the performance of these=20 units, even in analog mode. And I know tricks that will make them=20 work. What is Joe Average going to do with one, except put it back=20 in the box, say "radio sucks", and turn over to satellite? Incidentally, HD is a spread spectrum variation - and performs=20 remarkably well for the power levels it is run at and the band=20 conditions it is run in. New band? Not likely. As it is, the FCC=20 is taking spectrum away from the television band after their digital=20 conversion is done. The way the FCC has been diminishing the radio=20 STL and RPU bands, I doubt I'll see any additional spectrum available=20 for terrestrial radio in my lifetime. Tom Ray WOR From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Aug 13 10:40:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88717 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2007 17:40:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2007 17:40:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2007 17:40:55 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.219.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.219] helo=Possum-Hunters-Computer.local) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1IKdlT-0000Br-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:31:40 -0400 Message-ID: <46C0957B.7040104@peoplepc.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:31:39 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: What about the future? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=FDESYZYtvmrdu3sP-gFfkJ-SHCnee2V6N9yEEShcVazmxC8LA_NqZVd5Dv9ryg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: > Hey...you gotta admit....Fidel is playing some pretty good tunes lately. It's not all "Viva Cuba" any more!! > Yes, I noticed the programming changes soon after Fidel turned the country over to his Brother. Still, it is easy to tell when he gets his panties in a wad because normally the 100KW signals are just above the noise floor in the Daytime and sounds like typical Skywave at Night with selective fading, distant Lighting crashes and all of that. When he fires up his BIG transmitters, I get a solid S-4 in the Day and a solid pegged S-meter at night with a city grade signal! > WOR will go 24/7 HD 30 days after the regulations are published in the Federal Register, when it will become legal to do so. Still waiting....... > > I'm glad the Commission didn't wait this long to publish the rule eliminating the code test requirements for Hams..... > I wonder what the hold up is? Kevin From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Aug 13 10:49:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36678 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2007 17:49:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2007 17:49:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2007 17:49:36 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.219.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.219] helo=Possum-Hunters-Computer.local) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1IKe20-0002yf-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:48:45 -0400 Message-ID: <46C0997B.7020802@peoplepc.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:48:43 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: What about the future? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=6iQzEWUHgiIOTouG6FnHCknjlBqqCx3QJO_Va5vXXPbCo0qG3R4t4uFlEs-pHw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: > For the same reason you pay Microsoft for the privilege to run Windows on your computer. Well when my last computer died, all you could buy new is Windows Vista...and it SUCKED when i test drove it at Comp USA...So I got a Mac!...Shoulda done that a LONG time ago! > If you want to do AMS the right way, you'd probably be spending upwards of the same amount of $. I agree! > You're talking spending bucks either way. Unless, of course, you'll be satisfied with schlock, which is partly how our business got into this mess to begin with..... Yes, I think that was the final straw that broke the AM back. You know GOOD programming on a GOOD sounding AM will still draw LOTS of listeners. Want proof? Look at the Arbitron rating of WBZ, WJR, WLW, WGN, KDKA, and the list goes on. Kevin From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Aug 13 10:58:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80706 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2007 17:58:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2007 17:58:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2007 17:58:09 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.219.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.219] helo=Possum-Hunters-Computer.local) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1IKeAE-0004MP-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:57:14 -0400 Message-ID: <46C09B7A.7000907@peoplepc.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:57:14 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Future = A New Band. ...Maybe? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=VuXsyXqqmq4uC0GfBcxdmU2mEyJev9xQe1tl2LlOXGu3YKGB0Sg7CGe0bhueig X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: > You're dead on with the radios. I happen to like my Kenwood - it performs very well, and is a good all around radio. I've tried almost all of them - and am disturbed at the performance of these units, My Sangean will decode HD-Radio from Skywave from WLAC during Critical Hours. That is a 588 Mile Hop! What more could I want? Kevin From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Aug 13 11:04:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80044 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2007 18:04:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2007 18:04:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.227) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2007 18:04:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 34427 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2007 18:04:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YUfmKBwVM1nMWDRGx7kZam_KlI9r98K3rqXwSmYTpu5oZjRoiXXKq_X_tBzJZ0wB5EyqxYJDg_9OfFJ.PuQOU3hn4KxRz9.8Vi6XeLPgIs_BVbTAYCClzgGJhDA8rQLGYqyowKiw3Tuu4ek- Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:04:28 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:04:28 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <941247.34237.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=0tXARc9bj-eZpyaWmHBtqob6Qd-8GOo5O9v3IHn28uBdXsZ1r1uk X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I know WKFL/1170-Bushnell has an app to go to 10kw(?) but how has WCFI/1290-Ocala skated by for so long? I think WKFL was hoping for something similar but I was reading on the F.C.C. website where somehow they got ahold of a bill or letter of some sort that WKFL's electricity hasn't been on since last September 1st. I think I saw somewhere that WKFL was for sale for much more than what it's worth. Jay ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Aug 13 11:32:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4805 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2007 18:32:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2007 18:32:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2007 18:32:46 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.219.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.219] helo=Possum-Hunters-Computer.local) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1IKeel-00033H-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:28:47 -0400 Message-ID: <46C0A2DF.5080707@peoplepc.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:28:47 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <941247.34237.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <941247.34237.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=HU7jUCh6ky0FYCL9DXdgyrEBq9z4TGSdPaB-J6GOqLWKpgLi4X4bYVO0W0wLsQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 JNR wrote: > but how has WCFI/1290-Ocala skated by for so long? WCFI also has an outstanding $20,000 fine for not lighting their towers before they knocked them down. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Aug 13 12:07:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12222 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2007 19:07:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2007 19:07:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.159) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2007 19:07:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 87696 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2007 19:07:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xD.3FZIVM1nTibMxECZxmqsu3g5971cE0D6cgPNhSjJswo0gRlvG5zArqySXaNpSjCWsQl.PFQ-- Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:07:02 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:07:02 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <214386.98115.qm@web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <465398.87175.qm@web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=obaYIhxpX6N0u0vtWgi8PeDF6pmnjaP7XN0v9tYV-0k X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- JNR wrote: > All 50kW does for the local market area is drive > up the electric bill for the XMTRs.. WRONG ANSWER! Even the low band 5 KW's have trouble penetrating buildings. Even WSB 50 KW on 750 is the only station that covers it's market at night, and even the other 50KW's have the same problem. The lower powered ones at night don't cover but a small portion of the COL. WSB at night BARELY does. >Our > dominant A.M. here (WPRO) is 5kW. Most of our > stations are 5kW (WSKO, WHJJ, WPMZ, WRNI, WARL, > WARV). The ONE 50kW here is dark because they > can't afford the electric bill. If they were to > REDUCE POWER to 10kW they could remove 3 towers & > cover this market more effectively (according to > an engineer @ Queer Channel's WHJJ). What an idiot. > In the stupid quest for higher power (little > penis syndrome) a station in Beverly, Ma., WNSH, > has worked out an agreement for a station in > Taunton, Ma. to be deleted to WNSH can go from > .5kW-D/85W-N to 30kW-D/85W-N. With such a > difference in power, people will get PISSED AT > THAT! "Why can't I hear WNSH at night. They > suck!" PLUS, Taunton is a town that actually can > support a local station as they're so rabidly > local there. It's just that the station hasn't > had a good owner. No amount of power will bring > quality programming. By the way, "local service" > to Taunton will continue on 50kW WSNE-FM which is > based in & sells to Providence. Going to high power just to say you have it and have to be extra directional is dumb, however. > As for the interference, local coverage is more > important than skywave. But high power and not very directional DOES cover the COL in some cases. > Graveyarders are the > unsung heroes of broadcasting. They're only > SUPPOSED TO provide coverage to a town or 2 & are > not regional stations! And most of them do NOT cover the COL unless the city is VERY small. > Whatever they get @ night > is a bonus. I've worked @ 3 graveyarders in my > 12 years in radio: WHIM/1450-West Warwick, R.I.; > WFOY/1240-St. Augustine, Fl. & > WOON/1240-Woonsocket, R.I.. WHIM was trying to > be a rimshotter & failed. WFOY & WOON still > provide a local service (WOON more so than WFOY). I am at one right now. It does not cover anything more than the city at night, and not the entire county. It's virtually unlistenable at 11 air miles at my house. > I like that the clears were broken down. Well if you destroy them, NO. > They > don't provide country-wide coverage & you'd have > wasted space that could be filled by a local > station, which is what happened. KTNN (owned by > the Navajo nation) provides an inferior service > on 660kc. than WFAN??? Probably. KRVN in Nebraska > shouldn't be on air so that someone in the same > state can instead of receiving farm news can > receive N.Y.C. traffic conditions on WCBS??? > Anyway for these stations to cover the entire > nation now, you'd probably need @ least 200kW, if > not 500kW or 1MW to overcome all the interference > & garbage prevalent on the lower frequency > spectrum today. Oh get a DX-2000 and be done with it. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Aug 13 12:10:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17334 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2007 19:10:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2007 19:10:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.160) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2007 19:10:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 72291 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2007 19:09:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2iKwMPcVM1kGgr3.yURmJEz5J6NyhSJRnTH9C6N2KbEXC..CupQvv1T0YRfHnHF43U04DSLKrQ-- Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:09:46 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:09:46 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <816439.70865.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <607891.72160.qm@web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=C7ztANy0FIiNDBDjP87pTBylTtROGv6a308h_ieoDzI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- JNR wrote: > I hate to say this, but skywave service is more > or less a '30s relic. There's only been 1 place > I've been in in 28 years & 4 days on this planet > that it's been the only radio available: along > Rt.201 in rural Maine about 30 mi. north of > Skowhegan. There's some places in the NC mountains and a big stretch of I-10. > Yes, 5kW & 1kW! I really HATE that sentiment > that they can't be heard outside of their > "parking lots" because it's not true (unless > they're really cheap & their ground system has > turned to dust)! I got an e-mail from someone on > the ABDX board once who heard "puny 5kW" > WPRO/630-Providence in Minnesota last winter. > Here they cover about 80 miles in the daytime. Not THAT well. > Compare that to "mighty" WWZN/1510 in Boston > which has never been a market player since their > increase to 50kW from 5kW. But hey, it IS the > most DXed U.S. A.M. station in the U.K.! Anyway, > WWZN is on its, I dunno, 10th? owner since then. > The electric bill is too high & so is the rent. > If anything it seems 50kW is more of a > hinderance. Pretty much anything over 10kW is > really. 1510 needs about 250,000 watts to have the same range as on 540 considering both being non directional. And at night tiny skywave goes a long way. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Aug 13 13:33:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16333 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2007 20:33:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2007 20:33:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.161) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2007 20:33:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 22784 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2007 20:31:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8030HrIVM1m.IT5sL6MAXE8sjNaYS2.joNaoOk6N7r.15L3OxEAadN.Z1boY4gQTDDZX6FbR93ndMMfnoZdwTMPonJ0P2OOtc1tKhq16pht3NakDrq4pFE7chA-- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:31:39 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:31:39 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <997950.22409.qm@web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Where's our man in Wyoming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=_KLt0nJzT2dqodlh6e-gAkzgI4aI9lBRxizuylBMMKqSUEOzWow3MzI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Anybody know the where-abouts of our buddy Michael J. Richard? Michael J was instrumental in turning-around two stations to AMS way out West, and haven't heard from him for some time now. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 13 13:35:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92504 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2007 20:35:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2007 20:35:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp115.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.88) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2007 20:35:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 88272 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2007 20:34:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w5e5u4) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.20.188.232 with login) by smtp115.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2007 20:34:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kCEmBtsVM1nYVjqBxacNhHKuyCLXrwsgDw8bUmudqzSvsIh7hPgKvjPdl5w5lZURTCyvCr_WEg-- Message-ID: <000c01c7dde9$7f8e5020$01e3fea9@w5e5u4> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:35:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: WOW THIS SUCKS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=p78MczNvNzglorggveOowCi8lphvLj161XVLuoGkmXVkk731NRQPZ6rKj0Q4T621XBJCQOcN X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Now I have two HD radio stations that are 24hrs now. One is KFBK AM 1530 50kw Sacramento Ca and KIID AM 1470 5kw Sacramento Ca. God I hate it. I wish I had better news about AMS. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Aug 13 13:49:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59347 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2007 20:49:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2007 20:49:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.161) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2007 20:49:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 35759 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2007 20:49:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dXQoQJgVM1k8lua_VgmYAtQMWUxixZzcB4ACmZij7fiSNbQArdCtthIu6eAlstjZnkiICl1jqQ-- Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:49:42 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:49:42 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <997950.22409.qm@web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <421236.35750.qm@web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where's our man in Wyoming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=SyLbBA5MldIbSiRd7hNbLMQAUPmhcl3Hp5HbWVv78XM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "John P." wrote: > Anybody know the where-abouts of our buddy Michael > J. Richard? Michael > J was instrumental in turning-around two stations to > AMS way out West, > and haven't heard from him for some time now. He's fine. He's on the ABDX list and our webmaster there. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Aug 13 14:29:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22373 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2007 21:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2007 21:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2007 21:29:55 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.108.219.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.108.219] helo=Possum-Hunters-Computer.local) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1IKhOe-0000Ts-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:24:21 -0400 Message-ID: <46C0CC04.2020504@peoplepc.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:24:20 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <000c01c7dde9$7f8e5020$01e3fea9@w5e5u4> In-Reply-To: <000c01c7dde9$7f8e5020$01e3fea9@w5e5u4> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOW THIS SUCKS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=UZPxM6x9RpDGJrzLwl4WpPvGjLaWQm31vdxEUJpxcxW_Iyp1LyuTTDgPmnfuFw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Now I have two HD radio stations that are 24hrs now. One is KFBK AM 1530 50kw Sacramento Ca and KIID AM 1470 5kw Sacramento Ca. Both of these stations are operating illegally. You should complain to the FCC. It would help to have pictures of an HD-Radio locked onto the signal, audio tapes of the violation, and whatever else to document the violation. You should also send your complaint to the "Public File" of each station then visit the station to make sure your letter is indeed in the public file. Helpful Hint: Use Spell Check when you write the letters to the FCC and radio stations. Kevin From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Aug 13 16:13:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3603 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2007 23:13:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2007 23:13:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.37.185) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2007 23:13:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 44557 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2007 23:12:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: j7wXT9QVM1kRR0Heodg8yecz.j9_KxvpveyqsSUgIqvS4rq_NOQNTb0qph0jEEWjD_do2YNu.QmJlMSNJR2OSItmkngvb02D9mvW0nffkvJ5YBrS8Tv89x3AlMeJvQ-- Received: from [70.20.13.16] by web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:12:40 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:12:40 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <46C0A2DF.5080707@peoplepc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <374441.44198.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.37.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=KTNeLcZK8uAoazCpuvWc-ibTmsHwTB93kxeoSp-ylR2cmvpUTeaQ X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Nice..."if we knock down the towers the fine will go away!" Well, it's funny anyway! 73, Jay ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From radio603@malmo2.net Tue Aug 14 02:04:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio603@malmo2.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85976 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2007 09:04:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2007 09:04:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.bredband2.net) (82.209.166.4) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2007 09:04:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 15871 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2007 08:59:21 -0000 Received: from mkb-145-39-209-82.3.cust.bredband2.com (HELO malmoe) ([82.209.145.39]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.bredband2.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 14 Aug 2007 08:59:21 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01c7de52$0a544d50$2791d152@malmoe> To: Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:03:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Originating-IP: 82.209.166.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0 From: "Roy" Subject: E-post: www.radio603.info.se DIGITAL RADIO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=195882801; y=upIX_MDODbRNCCpt9BglxGDzcX7teqtfl3hsN_ly9jpZs4c X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Digital radio i lastbilen ,bussen, husbilen, taxi och i b=E5ten??? 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Aug 14 06:10:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66858 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2007 13:10:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2007 13:10:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2007 13:10:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 66530 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Aug 2007 13:10:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 13YB8PoVM1ktMCz4ALKYO.XCNH4lKwlt9nl4OaMuT_g2rB8Ksy4iNHVsPoojUpX9x4JHx9oB5cga1M8KqWyfv7ksO9GXuAt3dS4P9NeCWCeCL5qsnWztPtyhuA-- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 06:10:24 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 06:10:24 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <126867.65892.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: Future = A New Band. ...Maybe? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=bvWIMMM80wXpzkBG4ErG2pELlck0YG9ZYrk4EPev4wxvSMP7zv1YCb0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Possum Hunter and Tom Ray wrote: "...I happen to like my Kenwood - it performs very well, and is a good all around radio. I've tried almost all of them - and am disturbed at the performance of these units,... My Sangean will decode HD-Radio from Skywave from WLAC during Critical Hours. That is a 588 Mile Hop! What more could I want?" Looks like I've got the two HD duds: I have a Directed Electronics add-on HD tuner for automotive and a Directed Electronics HD tabletop radio. I've already given-up on the tabletop HD radio, and it has been in it's box for almost a month now. I haven't given-up on the DE car HD radio yet as the FM selectivity is stellar, but FM sensitivity isn't as stellar, and AM is deaf. HD on AM is not good as only 1 of the Detroit 50KW stations come in HD here in Toledo. There is a very flaky, very low level AGC and/or noise reduction scheme on AM that lowers the volume down to next to nothing so you can't hear the station in analog - very frustrating. I was more impressed with CQuam out of the box, especially at night, listening to WSM in full stereo at the time. I'm going to wait and see how HD performs at night before I decide whether to put the car radio in the box, or take the tabletop out of the box. 73's John ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ From tomray@wor710.com Tue Aug 14 10:11:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96214 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2007 17:11:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2007 17:11:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.10) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2007 17:11:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2007 17:10:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2007 17:10:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:10:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <46C0CC04.2020504@peoplepc.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOW THIS SUCKS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=brZn9qy5jYgda_NWfwueCEoWDk5X6X2xj06GBLqUDunwtCEV X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter=20 wrote: > > jimsmith95663@... wrote: > > Now I have two HD radio stations that are 24hrs now. One is KFBK=20 AM 1530 50kw Sacramento Ca and KIID AM 1470 5kw Sacramento Ca. >=20 > Both of these stations are operating illegally. You should complain=20 to=20 > the FCC.=20 A call to the CE or General Manager of the station...or an email to=20 their corporate office....pointing out that the FCC has not yet=20 published the HD rules in the Federal Register and that 24/7 HD=20 operation is not yet legal - will get them in compliance faster. The=20 Commission will take their sweet time. Point it out - in a friendly=20 manner - to the station or corporate office, and you'll get action.=20=20 They may be mis-informed on the regulations. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Tue Aug 14 10:17:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98275 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2007 17:17:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2007 17:17:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.238) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2007 17:17:45 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n25.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2007 17:14:39 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2007 17:14:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2007 17:14:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:14:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <126867.65892.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.238 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Future = A New Band. ...Maybe? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=v8CPSGKvFTvt9CrO4i8qjDfAHDiWJNH3m5dSrjIFAi1VBnT_ X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > Looks like I've got the two HD duds: I have a Directed Electronics > add-on HD tuner for automotive and a Directed Electronics HD=20 tabletop > radio.=20=20 Check out my review of the Visteon HD Jump in Radio World: http://www.rwonline.com/pages/s.0051/t.7544.html I suspect both of these radios use the same chip set. The noise=20 reduction, while being a noble idea, completely destroys the=20 reception of the analog signal in weak signal areas. And be careful if you crank the radio up to hear the analog signal.=20=20 If that puppy pops into HD, you'll be clearing out your drawers..... Tom Ray WOR From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Aug 14 11:57:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11176 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2007 18:57:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2007 18:57:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.231) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2007 18:57:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 19522 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Aug 2007 18:57:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: PLy0MZYVM1moML80bMZsUzRfcGP4bktYyxokxGyTl7qy2cdZAQe40QvhvcblxXLNsEWooUul0XmO2zthyMWqWHAGwDTxg42kCuP9Xr35azdrL1QRn86bjl1lnnbtlHE6yI.zPQroJCT89d9m4IyHI7_M Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:57:18 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:57:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <465398.87175.qm@web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <164176.19228.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=pKefEZXapmtd3sUJkjpWNnByt6DULQ93rGgl3-B1WjeyoIyjCkBC X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio WALE/990 is 50kW-D/5kW-N from a SIX tower array about 15-20 miles from Providence. The WHJJ engineer was saying that it could go to 3 towers & lower power to 10kW having a wider coverage than the "laser beam" WALE currently has. Another engineer has said that if WALE were to diplex off of the WRNI stick in North Providence, the next town north of Providence, could provide the same amount of electrical density over the Providence area. It's just a letterhead 50 right now. From what I've read, that station has barely ever made money & right now owes $42k to National Grid for electricity @ its xmtr. site. Again, I believe the class Cs are just supposed to cover one city & maybe a couple of nearby towns. Of course back when the class 4s were established they probably could go a little further. WFOY was heard in New England when it came on in 1937. Supposedly it was the 1st station to actually have its tower in a salt marsh. KTNN broadcasts Navajo programs to its people from Window Rock, Az.. It's one of a few stations broadcasting to the Navajo people. Now, how many sports blabbers are there? I'm glad WSM was never sold to Cumulus because that's reportedly what they wanted to do with it: sportsradio WSM. Like we NEED another damn sportsyakker covering 38 states no less! Sorry, I'm not familiar with the DX-2000 & didn't find it on Google. Since a lot, if not most, A.M.s are directional & are probably located outside of the C.O.L. then it's no surprise. I hate to say it but the M.F. spectrum really is a ghetto with all of the noise which pollutes the band both QRM & QRN. Then the lousy penetration of signals, low bandwidth, lousy programming (on A.M. radio), so on & so forth, it's amazing that people have put up with it for this long! Maybe it would be good to move A.M. radio up to VHF low. Maybe even 76-88. aw hell, you wouldn't need that much space: that'd be enough for ~12,000 stations @ 10kc.! Even with 40kc. bandwidth, that's enough for ~3,000 stations compared with the 117 slots available now. But I'm rambling now. 73, Jay ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 14 12:06:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89374 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2007 19:06:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2007 19:06:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.153) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2007 19:06:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 70688 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Aug 2007 19:04:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: bajhpWoVM1nAxNGFHxbmveiRpx_s3ZPpaoR2s5IrSGjZk22w1PhKGLYS.CD_xQ0KQA-- Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:04:50 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:04:50 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <164176.19228.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <501582.69917.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Sports blabbers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=J4LuVdZiF9JcKcNDpP0pLHogz4WrIZR6O0HBQLT2nXk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- JNR wrote: > KTNN broadcasts Navajo programs to its people > from Window Rock, Az.. It's one of a few > stations broadcasting to the Navajo people. They do soccer in Navaho. Country music and Navaho. Interesting station. I listened to it a bit when I was out in Candy Kitchen, NM. > Sorry, I'm not familiar with the DX-2000 & didn't > find it on Google. It's Harris' 2,000,000 MW transmitter Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Aug 14 12:44:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23231 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2007 19:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2007 19:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2007 19:44:24 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2007 19:43:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2007 19:43:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2007 19:43:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:43:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <501582.69917.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.22.4 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Sports blabbers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=unAby1HhY68yqndNZmKiMS9yaq62l5B3BtRvU4mM6ohyRwoo X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > >=20 > --- JNR wrote: >=20 > > KTNN broadcasts Navajo programs to its people > > from Window Rock, Az.. It's one of a few > > stations broadcasting to the Navajo people.=20 >=20 > They do soccer in Navaho. Country music and Navaho. > Interesting station. I listened to it a bit when I was > out in Candy Kitchen, NM.=20 KTNN now streams in Windows Media online from their website. :) They are the only radio station in the US that broadcasts major league sports (baseball, football) in a native American language, and are licensed to do so by the franchises. Aside from top-of-the-hour news (ABC, if I recall), and a half hour mornings and evenings of local/regional news, the ONLY programming not in Navajo is the overnight truckers' network from midnight-5am local (Mountain) time. Country music played is classic and contemporary- The regular stuff from Nashville- with all DJing done in Navajo. They have to be 50kW to cover the large area of the Navajo Nation, and are the only real source of news for a population that's still largely illiterate. http://www.ktnnonline.com/ Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Aug 14 12:50:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27378 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2007 19:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2007 19:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.229) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2007 19:50:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 17148 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Aug 2007 19:39:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: aItjPFAVM1lPxyr3Hx4x1AZOeqn5hnebzdgZr3oUK6UBW0Bn_Lb3OHahh3KVvV2TLA-- Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:39:23 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:39:23 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <501582.69917.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <29712.17141.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sports blabbers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=82CukeXdFfEpUNLpQj2a_ApAQTurfgkscI-gQ2Ip2apSIRnFpW9g X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio 2MW xmtr.? Ooh, I must keep the drool off the keyboard! Unfortunately I've never heard KTNN but from its website it looked like an interesting station. I believe they have a sister F.M. as well. This is a general question to anyone: is it true that longwave is better suited for latitudes above 50º? Also how do the European L.W. stations keep from interfering with one another besides going directional & reducing power (like RTE252, formerly Atlantic 252)? The point being: in theory, could a longwave broadcast band work here in I.T.U. Region 2? What about protection to other services? 73, Jay ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Aug 14 13:07:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13060 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2007 20:07:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2007 20:07:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.234) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2007 20:07:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 11772 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Aug 2007 20:07:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: TkQVyNEVM1lCB1JF4rXvh0KvUbwAbRzfyZahlcfRmRINVxZHj8mdJqRt7CEkUJIE_g-- Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:07:08 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:07:08 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <609353.10798.qm@web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sports blabbers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=Xq22Niy0kBiPUvJfg84qbBGy9O98YSbN9Dw33JtwQhXzVbhydjqV X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Now THAT I've got to hear: baseball & football in Navajo! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Aug 14 15:50:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86314 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2007 22:50:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2007 22:50:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.60) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2007 22:50:26 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2007 22:49:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2007 22:49:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:49:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <29712.17141.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.22.4 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sports blabbers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=MZA3PaA2bORV8YlUU7ekXL9H3VLKvw5FC8gW-FyARoceWR3J X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > Unfortunately I've never heard KTNN but from its > website it looked like an interesting station. I > believe they have a sister F.M. as well. Yes, last I had heard, it was rock aimed at the Albuquerque market across the state border. Don't know if they also use the Navajo langiuage, either. I've never been down that way, but I have heard KTNN from up here in northwestern CA, although not all that strongly. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Aug 14 16:28:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54545 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2007 23:28:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2007 23:28:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.184) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2007 23:28:45 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2007 23:27:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2007 23:27:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2007 23:27:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:27:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.223.171.197 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: WOW THIS SUCKS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=ov7DV7hz-_ZN1YhC0tYqVmR_1iMIzYk9oWhQAvMa62gA3Qk X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter=20 > wrote: > > > > jimsmith95663@ wrote: > > > Now I have two HD radio stations that are 24hrs now. One is KFBK=20 > AM 1530 50kw Sacramento Ca and KIID AM 1470 5kw Sacramento Ca. > >=20 > > Both of these stations are operating illegally. You should complain=20 > to=20 > > the FCC.=20 >=20 > A call to the CE or General Manager of the station...or an email to=20 > their corporate office....pointing out that the FCC has not yet=20 > published the HD rules in the Federal Register and that 24/7 HD=20 > operation is not yet legal - will get them in compliance faster. The=20 > Commission will take their sweet time. Point it out - in a friendly=20 > manner - to the station or corporate office, and you'll get action.=20=20 > They may be mis-informed on the regulations. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > Tom, Any idea when we can expect nightime HD ? I thought his would have happened a long time ago. Any chance of trying to hear WOR-HD here at night is going to be tough with Fidel just to my south. My HD-100 does seem somewhat sensitive to HD signals when I have a decent antenna...or at least I should say the HD light goes on. I am just too far from anyone to hear anything. Juan Ft. Pierce, FL From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Aug 14 17:35:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80470 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2007 00:35:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2007 00:35:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2007 00:35:37 -0000 Received: from [64.131.24.35] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.1.0) with SMTP id <20070814192928101049500003> for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:29:28 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001a01c7ded4$45e4bd00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <214386.98115.qm@web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:29:28 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=JeY1nc6osd9N0bKEm39Li7wjEX8a0bjlw_2iKEuGH38ELKzqi0JQ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What requirement was that? I won't argue that EMF and AFA have become spectrum hogs, but a blanket prohibition on religious operators, or is it just the national ones you're worried about? If it weren't for translators of WJRF (The Refuge- Duluth MN) I wouldn't have any Christian rock to listen to. They're not trying to become national, just MN, the eastern Dakotas, IA, WI and the UP of Mich. And how many truly "educational" broadcasters are there, anyway? A lot of the smaller schools have sold their stations off. It costs money to produce those programs. "Welcome to Serbo-Croat Vowel Sounds..." how exciting.... I think the internet has pretty much taken away what could truly be called educational radio's reason for existence. What's left is NPR, classical music, and some stations which carry CBC, BBC, etc. How many stations like that are needed in a market? Probably no more than one. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR expand the N.C.E. F.M. band down to 76, BUT reinstate the requirement against religious operators. E.M.F. is the Queer Channel of the religious broadcasting world. It's supposed to be "educational" broadcasting, not "commercial" so you're not interfering in commerce (snicker). Visit Your Group SPONSORED LINKS a.. Motorola radio battery b.. Stereo speaker c.. Motorola radio accessory d.. Stereo cabinets e.. Motorola radio dealer Yahoo! TV "The 9" Daily count down of top Web finds. Yahoo! Groups Moderator Central An online resource for moderators. Endurance Zone on Yahoo! Groups Groups about better endurance. . --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Aug 14 17:53:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38514 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2007 00:48:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2007 00:48:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2007 00:48:18 -0000 Received: from [64.131.24.35] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.1.0) with SMTP id <20070814194356103221200004> for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:43:56 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001e01c7ded6$4ae46c40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:43:56 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: What about the future? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=9gCeP2uiVdCIlevrRqhmq3dR8petIwAfTixjITVzITgu1qpiyDzX X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Of course that little advantage goes away once you're all IBOC all the time. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Ray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > There are no "rules" for 5K audio. 5K audio only applies to HD operation, and its a requirement of the HD system. That being said, there was a proposal from Clear Channel regarding reducing the audio bandwidth to 5K across the board. This proposal was to further reduce adjacent channel interference. You can listen to WLW and WGN in the vicinity of the WOR transmitter at night because of our 5K limitation. I have been to Cincinnatti and listened to WOR in the vicinity of the WLW transmitter because of their 5K limitation. There is some merit to this proposal. But it is not part of the rules. This is only an option that some stations consider. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Aug 14 17:53:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45580 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2007 00:48:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2007 00:48:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2007 00:48:53 -0000 Received: from [64.131.24.35] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.1.0) with SMTP id <20070814194712100318100004> for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:47:12 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002e01c7ded6$bf9aa860$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <46C0957B.7040104@peoplepc.com> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:47:12 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: What about the future? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=rOjPqJu4KBoOJWbLJV3waEPce2-P-1Wmn6PXxSKstLvvXFL0iK0R X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At this point it's probably Mexico's objections. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Possum Hunter Tom Ray wrote: > WOR will go 24/7 HD 30 days after the regulations are published in the Federal Register, when it will become legal to do so. Still waiting....... > > I'm glad the Commission didn't wait this long to publish the rule eliminating the code test requirements for Hams..... > I wonder what the hold up is? Kevin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Aug 14 18:56:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42944 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2007 01:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2007 01:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.4) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2007 01:37:14 -0000 Received: from [64.131.24.35] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.1.0) with SMTP id <20070814195414101194600004> for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:54:14 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <006101c7ded7$bb539360$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <000a01c7de52$0a544d50$2791d152@malmoe> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:54:14 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.4 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} E-post: www.radio603.info.se DIGITAL RADIO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=bLAWzy_SoPTtTtDjRKcv_GkrtuJ-wpjVfWEJtVy8zK2SA6WfIeMF X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Hey, Roy, if you're going to post on a US message reflector could you please do it in English? Might be another thing altogether if it were some Americans of Scandihoovian descent wanting to practice their ancestral tongue, but even though I'm not a moderator nor do I play one on TV I don't think this one qualifies for that. :) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 4:04 AM Subject: {AMSF} E-post: www.radio603.info.se DIGITAL RADIO Digital radio i lastbilen ,bussen, husbilen, taxi och i båten??? Digital radio in your vehicle??? In swedish only. Vi söker återförsäljare i Danmark, Sverige, Norge och Finland, som kan sälja och installera boxen. MVH Roy Sandgren +46(0) 40-49 50 00. Mobil 010-200 00 00. STARWAVES YOUR BEST SOLUTION Meddelandet -an nu skickas med följande bifogade filer eller länkar: Genväg till: http://www.radio603.info.se/ Obs! För att skydda mot datorvirus kan e-postprogram förhindra att vissa sorters bifogade filer skickas eller tas emot. Kontrollera dina inställningar för e-postsäkerhet om du vill veta hur bifogade filer hanteras. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.15/949 - Release Date: 8/12/07 11:03 AM --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- From radio603@malmo2.net Wed Aug 15 06:21:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio603@malmo2.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8906 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2007 13:21:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2007 13:21:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.bredband2.net) (82.209.166.4) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2007 13:21:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 9882 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2007 09:40:35 -0000 Received: from mkb-145-39-209-82.3.cust.bredband2.com (HELO malmoe) ([82.209.145.39]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.bredband2.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Aug 2007 09:40:35 -0000 Message-ID: <005501c7df27$baf649d0$2791d152@malmoe> To: References: <000a01c7de52$0a544d50$2791d152@malmoe> <006101c7ded7$bb539360$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:33:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Originating-IP: 82.209.166.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0 From: "Roy" Subject: Re: {AMSF} E-post: www.radio603.info.se DIGITAL RADIO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=195882801; y=LwfPCjNTLkgj73hDXgvLgfbhaldakNjGonWEn8zbotsu0yc X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Todd, nice to hear from you.The coonverter is to DAB/DRM so you can pic up DRM st= ations in your truck etc. roy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 2:54 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} E-post: www.radio603.info.se DIGITAL RADIO Hey, Roy, if you're going to post on a US message reflector could you ple= ase do it in English? Might be another thing altogether if it were some Americans of Scandihoovian descent wanting to practice their ancestral tongue, but even though I'm not a moderator nor do I play one on TV I don= 't think this one qualifies for that. :) Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Roy" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 4:04 AM Subject: {AMSF} E-post: www.radio603.info.se DIGITAL RADIO Digital radio i lastbilen ,bussen, husbilen, taxi och i b=E5ten??? Digital radio in your vehicle??? In swedish only. Vi s=F6ker =E5terf=F6rs=E4ljare i Danmark, Sverige, Norge och Finland, so= m kan s=E4lja och installera boxen. MVH Roy Sandgren +46(0) 40-49 50 00. Mobil 010-200 00 00. STARWAVES YOUR BEST SOLUTION Meddelandet -an nu skickas med f=F6ljande bifogade filer eller l=E4nkar: Genv=E4g till: http://www.radio603.info.se/ Obs! F=F6r att skydda mot datorvirus kan e-postprogram f=F6rhindra att vi= ssa sorters bifogade filer skickas eller tas emot. 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Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/953 - Release Date: 2007-08-= 14 17:19 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Wed Aug 15 07:10:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62263 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2007 14:10:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2007 14:10:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.127) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2007 14:10:16 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2007 14:10:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2007 14:10:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2007 14:10:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:10:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.127 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: AM HD Nighttime - was Re: WOW THIS SUCKS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=oTif8uxnMLNBGAVgPfdkomW8tVXawlLLPg_EmGs9rSJoorbO X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Juan Gualda" wrote: > > Tom, > Any idea when we can expect nightime HD ? I thought his would have > happened a long time ago. Hi Juan: The HD rules were published in the Federal Register this morning.=20=20 Effective date is September 14, 2007. The notification can be found at=20 http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/01jan20071800/edocket.access.gpo .gov/2007/pdf/E7-15922.pdf > My HD-100 does seem somewhat sensitive to HD signals when I have a > decent antenna...or at least I should say the HD light goes on. I am > just too far from anyone to hear anything. Just FYI - the HD flag....the carriers that identify a signal as HD -=20 live in quadrature with the audio from 0 to +/-5kHz. This is also=20 where the text data, such as the call letters, resides. The radio will=20 identify that there are HD carriers associated with a signal well and=20 start trying to acquire lock well before it actually has something to=20 work with. Tom Ray WOR From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Aug 15 07:46:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76052 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2007 14:46:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2007 14:46:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2007 14:46:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 39202 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Aug 2007 14:46:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .nG7tMcVM1nKclrDN8E7E9rm14xmOneonTS.HyYaZoQxfFqKnxL3FzKwfpzx3OPGC9SP5.lY9EOZFtJOqyNipTdNg1Kk3_VgfPyZkSSmRZWWhQw9otEVoWLNew-- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 07:46:12 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 07:46:12 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" Cc: amstereo-google MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <105841.39031.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: The Date the AM Band Experiment Begins X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=uaPe2HNLKTpP2pMJUMyQZ9kGdvgMSCPBW40BBpiiL2OG1DHYGroXSg8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio From RW: "...AMs in the United States now have a date when they can go IBOC at night: Sept. 14..." It will be very interesting to make a recording the night of September 13th, then a recording the same time the next night and see how things change - or maybe not?! ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Aug 15 08:08:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61476 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2007 15:08:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2007 15:08:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.158) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2007 15:08:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 40294 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Aug 2007 15:08:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: w9mwPYYVM1meGozEtXf90M_gjz6g4qFHkcLLO6TS4e.XsDQVDzfOVHVWOUS4isZ3ecZsdI.94A-- Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:08:33 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:08:33 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <474576.40283.qm@web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM HD Nighttime - was Re: WOW THIS SUCKS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=jHmrVcZSB70TUv4me-m9qbCGtOTo8jJEBHH0fjeMOcQ X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > The HD rules were published in the Federal Register > this morning. > Effective date is September 14, 2007. I guess I'll not be able to listen to Coast to Coast after that unless WLAC gets a DX-2000 and runs HD with that. I bet Tom Ray would like to fire up a DX-2000 with HD (and everything beefed up to take it). Manangement, however, would not like that power bill. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From tomray@wor710.com Wed Aug 15 10:15:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61328 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2007 17:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2007 17:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.240) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2007 17:14:35 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n26.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2007 17:13:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2007 17:13:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2007 17:13:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:13:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <474576.40283.qm@web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} AM HD Nighttime - was Re: WOW THIS SUCKS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=5HALZp_4kFU0iKMihjGz6hO1qwx4sv_8aRIw42eu9nYm3mVq X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > > I guess I'll not be able to listen to Coast to Coast > after that unless WLAC gets a DX-2000 and runs HD with > that. I bet Tom Ray would like to fire up a DX-2000 > with HD (and everything beefed up to take it). > Manangement, however, would not like that power bill. >=20 Or the bill for the lead suit I'd need to stand next to it! Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Wed Aug 15 10:19:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26823 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2007 17:14:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2007 17:14:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.216) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2007 17:14:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2007 17:12:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2007 17:12:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:11:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <105841.39031.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: The Date the AM Band Experiment Begins X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=RBBVdUUo0QAlRKKpNQWnJg0ysCGhdRLdXZGByqSGTFpA3gd1 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > From RW: "...AMs in the United States now have a date when they can go > IBOC at night: Sept. 14..." >=20 > It will be very interesting to make a recording the night of September > 13th, then a recording the same time the next night and see how things > change - or maybe not?! As long as the propagation doesn't change drastically! Tom Ray WOR From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Aug 15 11:26:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41534 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2007 18:26:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2007 18:26:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.226) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2007 18:26:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 33453 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Aug 2007 18:25:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .wUp.64VM1kkSbbCsKUOspKG7jZ8n46Sxs5DG2PDldw.oUuF8jF5K1faRKzNlsssDg6kHYal1DgauVtFcFR.Wz7ehduqAe50_y_JqG87_.yWFvcwpCSxqxSnBbcBpw-- Received: from [70.20.13.16] by web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:25:18 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:25:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001a01c7ded4$45e4bd00$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <700348.30869.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=nBEbkexZyf28Zz6zPZMU4_R_4q6lFvWgcQDnDCwFxxJV3O1mEo06 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio From what I remember hearing this was a requirement that somehow prohibited religious operators unless they had a school associated with them or something like that that one of the Republican-dominated congresses deleted. In my opinion both the A.F.A./E.M.F. AND N.P.R.s of the world are spectrum hogs. As for truly educational broadcasters, they're around. More so around here. Providence can receive NO religious music stations when Providence College's WDOM is on the air (it covers 91.1/WTKL, formerly WSMU-North Dartmouth, Ma.) but we do have a cornucopia of school stations both H.S./Private & College: WELH/88.1 & WDOM/91.3 in Providence, WQRI/88.3-Bristol, WJMF/88.7-Smithfield, WRIU/90.3-Kingston, WJHD/90.7-Portsmouth & WCVY/91.5-Coventry. The most powerful one is WRIU @ 3.44kW & has a range of 30-45 miles. I hope we see more of these stations come on after the next N.C.E. F.M. filing window. All 100-500W, all local. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Aug 15 12:37:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53005 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2007 19:37:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2007 19:37:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2007 19:37:40 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.235.248.232.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.235.248.232] helo=Possum-Hunters-Computer.local) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1ILOgR-0005rm-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:37:35 -0400 Message-ID: <46C35600.9090604@peoplepc.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:37:36 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <474576.40283.qm@web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <474576.40283.qm@web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM HD Nighttime - was Re: WOW THIS SUCKS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=rcwA_V7b7g2Ep-NFjH26odcaSABD6JALGh-heSaDGf-42bscCyg6yansSbGcBA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > I guess I'll not be able to listen to Coast to Coast after that unless WLAC gets a DX-2000 and runs HD Why not? There is not enough signal on 1500 or 1520 to bother you...Well, WTWP is a bit stronger in South Carolina. WCKY might cause a problem. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Aug 15 14:28:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30472 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2007 21:27:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2007 21:27:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2007 21:27:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 2490 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Aug 2007 21:27:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: RqmAGlAVM1mp9EubUedBMHI6qmt29Is0_cDBA_MD1dBgZ_g88QLg2aaZzq5_osGotr4VB_JNtJvw3.4zjOLAyicdlvfR Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:27:02 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:27:02 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <46C35600.9090604@peoplepc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <91046.2290.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM HD Nighttime - was Re: WOW THIS SUCKS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=zl4IZ3Lgps5Il1RO0WNS7mrj0KigCgr2sTVDIp8dDjk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > I guess I'll not be able to listen to Coast to > Coast after that unless WLAC gets a DX-2000 and runs > HD > > Why not? There is not enough signal on 1500 or 1520 > to bother > you...Well, WTWP is a bit stronger in South > Carolina. WCKY might cause a > problem. That's what I'm worried about. WTWP is OK. I would think both of those will cause WLAC not to decode. It DID when tbey were on, but the others not. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Aug 15 18:52:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26279 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2007 01:52:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2007 01:52:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2007 01:52:34 -0000 Received: from [64.131.53.150] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.1.0) with SMTP id <20070815205207100463000003> for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:52:07 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <003601c7dfa8$fd58bf20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <700348.30869.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:52:07 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=M6q_0CsspTxNkEGf4KWErT8_Ii_qiEPN3OYtyjeDIQoYYr2iJy8u X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Then your part of the country is rather unique. I'd be willing to bet most of those stations carry all that much educational programming, however, but rather some sort of college rock or oddball eclectic format. In the Minneapolis/St. Paul area the educational band is thus( not counting the outstate signals which can be heard in parts of the cities)- 88.5 KBEM- Jazz; 89.3 KCMP- eclectic music, though mostly some form of alternative; 89.9 KMOJ- various forms of block programmed black music, some public affairs; 90.3 KFAI- nonconformist- very similar to Pacifica; 90.7 K214DF- a 10w K-Love translator; 91.1 KNOW- talk and news, NPR, CBC, BBC, etc.; 91.7 WMCN- an old class D with minimal coverage run by Macallister College playing mostly college rock. All the other religious signals are either on AM or the commercial part of the FM band. There's a shared-time, low watt, highschool and college (U of MN) signal on the commercial band as well. I don't believe there was ever a rule against religious broadcasters using the educational portion of the spectrum. The rule that WAS changed had to do with how non-com translators could receive their signals. It began with a group in Homer Alaska that wanted a Moody station but the market couldn't support a full-fledged station. They petitioned the FCC to allow satellite delivery, the FCC granted their request without putting in sufficient stipulations that this sort of thing could only be done in remote towns such as this, and thus we have the mess we're in. There's absolutely nothing preventing Pacifica from using these same rules and distributing their programming hither and yon. IIRC, some of their stations are in the non-com band and they're not an educational institution per se, either. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR As for truly educational broadcasters, they're around. More so around here. Providence can receive NO religious music stations when Providence College's WDOM is on the air (it covers 91.1/WTKL, formerly WSMU-North Dartmouth, Ma.) but we do have a cornucopia of school stations both H.S./Private & College: I hope we see more of these stations come on after the next N.C.E. F.M. filing window. All 100-500W, all local. Recent Activity a.. 1New Members Visit Your Group SPONSORED LINKS a.. Motorola radio battery b.. Stereo speaker c.. Motorola radio accessory d.. Stereo cabinets e.. Motorola radio dealer Yahoo! TV Want the scoop? Check out today's news and gossip. Yahoo! Groups Moderator Central An online resource for moderators. Yoga Groups Exchange insights with members of the yoga community. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Aug 15 22:21:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59623 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2007 05:21:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2007 05:21:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.216) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2007 05:21:55 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n33.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2007 05:19:53 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2007 05:19:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2007 05:19:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 05:19:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <700348.30869.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.38 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=3bqC1SVn5JbAQ5gZIH8fq3KdA1ARQSIY0yLmz-rPZ7yc9maDmw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > From what I remember hearing this was a > requirement that somehow prohibited religious > operators unless they had a school associated > with them or something like that that one of the > Republican-dominated congresses deleted. In my > opinion both the A.F.A./E.M.F. AND N.P.R.s of the > world are spectrum hogs. As for truly > educational broadcasters, they're around. More > so around here. Providence can receive NO > religious music stations when Providence > College's WDOM is on the air (it covers > 91.1/WTKL, formerly WSMU-North Dartmouth, Ma.) > but we do have a cornucopia of school stations > both H.S./Private & College: WELH/88.1 & > WDOM/91.3 in Providence, WQRI/88.3-Bristol, > WJMF/88.7-Smithfield, WRIU/90.3-Kingston, > WJHD/90.7-Portsmouth & WCVY/91.5-Coventry. The > most powerful one is WRIU @ 3.44kW & has a range > of 30-45 miles. I hope we see more of these > stations come on after the next N.C.E. F.M. > filing window. All 100-500W, all local. >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 What's a difference from a country to another!!! In my country (Chile), there are a lot of religious stations within=20 all the legal parameters and 1000 Watts of RF power, FM and AM=20 too!!! We don't have any restriction about it, but you must to=20 understand that here, in my beautiful country, a 1000 Watts station=20 is... "THE" station, AM and/or FM. The few, very small number, of=20 more than 1000 Watts stations here are called: the "GIANT" stations.=20 We don't have any radio with more than 10 KW in FM (and the few=20 authorized to work with it, I wouldn't be sure if they're really=20 working with all that power). We have a few (no more than ten or=20 maybe twelve) 10 KW AM stations and only one 50 KW AM station in all=20 the country!!! The only "special" stations here are the "Minimal Geographic=20 Coverage Area Stations", TXs with less than 25 Watts of final power,=20 only in the low FM band (87.5 to 89 MHz) and without any kind of=20 advertising. But, it isn't a problem issue to the "professional"=20 broadcasters. In Chile, "THE" great radio problem was/is and I'm afraid still will=20 be INTO the advertising agencies whom think "it's more profitable to=20 invest in TV advertising". This is the great war here. Somebody told me, a few days ago: "The HD is the great solution to=20 the AM". I only smiled and I asked him: "Do you really think=20 so?" ...I'm still waiting an answer. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From bob_welch550@yahoo.com Sun Aug 19 19:28:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: bob_welch550@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66787 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2007 02:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2007 02:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2007 02:28:12 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2007 02:21:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2007 02:21:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2007 02:21:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 02:21:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <356069.9538.qm@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.19.95.58 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213592090; y=heJe3tMYujaX4sBy-Wf6LPpJw1Z9ELLEVxvvzlD0DGDFceout3iL X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > For the most part, F.M. stations don't carry 500 > miles obliterating everything in its immediate > area. But, this is North American Summer which > means...SKIP! Therefore it's entirely possible > for an F.M. to carry 500=3Dmi.. Last year in R.I. > I heard a station in Bedmidji, Mn.! That's got > to be 1,000 miles away if not more! When I was > down in Florida the local 94.1 (class C3) which > was about 10 mi. from town would get hammered by > a station from Tampa. If anything you've > actually made a case AGAINST high-powered > stations! They carry too far in this day & age.=20 > Plus, stations only care about their primary > groundwave coverage anyway. No one's selling > skywave coverage that I know of! >=20 > Individuals can NOT own an L.P.F.M. as they are > solely for non-profit educational organizations.=20 > Of course there ARE back-door methods around that > (WBLQ-LP). Plus, stations are not as cheap as > they were pre-1996. The station I told the owner > not to go "H.D." on, well the previous owner > bought it for $150k in 1991 (24h 5kW D.A.-D&N) > sold it to the current owner in 1998 for $750k & > this guy wants $1M for it. An average person > can't afford that! >=20 > Plus, who says high power would automatically > guarantee compelling programming? They could run > all home shopping! (which to me is dreadful) You > want high power with long coverage, lobby the > F.C.C. for the Longwave broadcasting band (which > would be what here in Region 2? 150-280kc. on > 10kc. steps?). >=20 > My mother listens to radio in her '98 Grand > Caravan on which the A.M. section is mono & > sounds lousy. She listens to a little 1kW A.M. > graveyarder 15 mi. away because they play what > she wants to hear. Through the noise, static, > etc.. Different strokes. >=20 > If the N.R.S.C. gets its way ALL A.M. stations > will be reduced to 5 or 7kc. bandwidth. Then > they can say what they've "known" all along: A.M. > sounds bad. Of course it does, on 5kc. > bandwidth! So does N.B.F.M. (narrowband > F.M.)!!! Anyway, Jeff Littlejohn was pushing > that a few years ago. Thankfully it's stagnated > for now. >=20 > I think docket 80-90 was a good thing. I think > the clears only getting protected to 700/750 > miles (unsure which it is as I've never found the > 47CFR73 rule which states it) & wish they had > LESS protection! Here in Providence, we're > prohibited from adding stations on 720, 870 & > 1070 because of class A stations. You can hardly > even hear these stations here!=20=20 I grew up not far from you in Worcester County and heard CBA 1070=20 from Moncton, New Brunswick every single night and The CBC always=20 sounded like a local it came in so good. Most of the US thinks of=20 720 as WGN... now that I'm in Vermont I can hear WGN at night very=20 clear. However, growing up 20 years ago it was always CHTN=20 Charlottetown that came in at 720. Now 720 has migrated to FM=20 on "The Friendly Island" and CBC's 1070 is going to FM as well.. I=20 don't think the FM transmitter is up yet in Moncton... However its=20 soon. 870 is a frequency used in the Portland Area.. It must drop=20 the juice at night I would imagine. More stations > (especially lower power stations)=3Dgood because > there are simply more voices. It's just a matter > of more people getting them! Also, for my > purposes, satellators are NOT stations. They're > just an ego trip for their owners. >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 >=20 > 73, Bob Welch, KB1EVV and employee at WDEV- AM/FM, WLVB-FM, and WCVT-FM=20 ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative=20 vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. > http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ > From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Aug 20 03:35:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95296 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2007 10:35:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2007 10:35:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.231) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2007 10:35:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 18371 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2007 10:28:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LbP8118VM1nA4CJV.ymGEgT6fmty4v31nkEdFghnkvOyiX019SjFo5trmnk0W6q5VrkHDjacBopfByThXZ1Eg9jLrl0OKU_1_4DStLkwoAlKGOE.n3U- Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 03:28:13 PDT Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 03:28:13 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <422479.18067.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: ADD another station to the lists X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=IIcSU86Zjdz7-8MQGONqf5pPVGa-NyHE6alLxFbm4h3oaObjyso1 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio From www.fybush.com, 8/20/07 edition: Our friends at PBRTV.com are reporting a format change near Erie: WYNE (1530 North East) flips from a simulcast of fine arts WMCE (88.5 Erie) to an oldies format, in AM stereo no less. WYNE and WMCE are both owned by Mercyhurst College, and the AM station will be a teaching tool for radio students at the Erie school. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Aug 20 16:10:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25731 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2007 23:10:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2007 23:10:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.244) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2007 23:10:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 83596 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2007 23:10:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GegxxDkVM1mdFCX3WqFL6My3dt66WNvXbAdMxgzXZ7T5cuEqc4MNeaTdgdfENr3KzISG_nkBM7kmYcFBGQi8c0KgsKlGPz90Psp9E_KEpY6C.eMrTjQiLSAljCaB2hm.Eg_..ca4c.2Z4v9ubT1aM8SMtQ-- Received: from [64.222.43.170] by web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:10:13 PDT Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:10:13 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <783566.32450.qm@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: From ABDX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=1H0XmvPec8nOAvmW5WU10QQSeeXQTIAZAjcjlmtgGKM2NaSVDqLM X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Sorting garbage does take time, its true...Once a month when the recyclables have to be sorted - its really bad! Yes, it will be a challenge to do HD DX. A big challenge. But I hear that the HD100 is a pretty decent rig on analogue. I also hear that it can decode CQUAM AM Stereo. I'm getting a new high power CQUAM transmitter for CILY, soon to be 1250 CILY Todays Hits, Yesterday's Favourites in Stereo, so I'll be able to put it to the test. One hunch that I have is that all these HD radios that use a little external loop may require that loop, or a similar loop, for their circuit. Similar to a lot of stereo tuners. Thus, replacing the loop with a long wire may not work very well. The trick may be finding a way of coupling a good antenna to the radio. Supposedly, it is 300 ohms, so the right rf transformer [balun/unun] MIGHT work. I figure trying to DX IBAC at night here in PEI will be like someone in PEI in the early 1920s trying to pick up WGY on a crystal set. That is part of PEI folklore and some dear folks actually did it. But yikes, it likely will be a real toughie. Phil VY2PR ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 From philipr@irac.pe.ca Tue Aug 21 05:07:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42520 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2007 12:07:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2007 12:07:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.8) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2007 12:07:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2007 12:03:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2007 12:03:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:03:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <783566.32450.qm@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 142.176.20.3 From: "Phil" Subject: Re: From ABDX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723; y=m_yrJVuOvQ7KamKI151N56lr67B6zrjb3zwQ2tAfDi4Jxy4DBBZt X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Just for the record, "high power" means 100mw, my old transmitter was=20 10 mw. And, of course the new transmitter is a Chris Cuff Alfredo=20 Lite. As was the old. Chris has some on ebay right now - price is=20 good, built in power supply regulation [just add your own wal-wart],=20 100 mw, choice of 1000, 1250 or 1500. Or for an extra $7, a custom=20 frequency. I have also ordered a Radiosophy HD100. Come September 14 I hope to=20 do some HD DXing. WOR, WABC, WBZ etc. all of which pound in here at=20 night. The key will be coupling a good antenna to it. I use a LF=20 Engineering M-601C fed into a Palstar MW550P then into a mini- circuits 8 way multicoupler. Then into my various DX receivers,=20 including an R-390A. The M-601C is a very good antenna - it way=20 outperforms the 70 foot random wire it replaced. I will be doing a=20 lot of experimenting with antenna coupling. By the way, the Radiosophy HD100 can receive CQUAM AM Stereo. In=20 fact, it seems that most HD radios can receive CQUAM.=20=20 Phil Rafuse VY2PR PEI Canada --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Sorting garbage does take time, its true...Once a > month when the > recyclables have to be sorted - its really bad! >=20 > Yes, it will be a challenge to do HD DX. A big > challenge. But I > hear that the HD100 is a pretty decent rig on > analogue. I also hear > that it can decode CQUAM AM Stereo. I'm getting a > new high power > CQUAM transmitter for CILY, soon to be 1250 CILY > Todays Hits, > Yesterday's Favourites in Stereo, so I'll be able > to put it to the > test. >=20 > One hunch that I have is that all these HD radios > that use a little > external loop may require that loop, or a similar > loop, for their > circuit. Similar to a lot of stereo tuners. Thus, > replacing the loop > with a long wire may not work very well. The > trick may be finding a > way of coupling a good antenna to the radio. > Supposedly, it is 300 > ohms, so the right rf transformer [balun/unun] > MIGHT work. >=20 > I figure trying to DX IBAC at night here in PEI > will be like someone > in PEI in the early 1920s trying to pick up WGY > on a crystal set. > That is part of PEI folklore and some dear folks > actually did it. >=20 > But yikes, it likely will be a real toughie. >=20 > Phil VY2PR >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone=20 who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=3Dlist&sid=3D396545469 > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Aug 21 05:58:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64951 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2007 12:58:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2007 12:58:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2007 12:58:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 79635 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Aug 2007 12:58:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zOfQ5PAVM1lswUukj5nNR8rW53SKXyCqfrXsat7NihE.OLds4ZTynvd4CX5tR_cHoAjX7RZjn6SefkniP4NB4AyYhFxY6PjaCo9DrSlxT1qnrS73eUWE6POmyg-- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:58:52 PDT Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:58:52 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <25351.79573.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re:From ABDX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=A0zgN7T_c5yUmVs84hHc8y8bm0HkipwfD6XWFDdNDFc1tQmu1u-VZYM X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Phil wrote: "...hear that the HD100 is a pretty decent rig on analogue. I also hear that it can decode CQUAM AM Stereo. I'm getting a new high power CQUAM transmitter..." I would suggest that all of us 'engineering types' write letters to the HD radio manufacturers and suggest that they simply upgrade the analog section in these HD radios - at least offer us a menu to allow us manual analog controls of CQUAM stereo, 10KHz/7.5KHz/6KHz bandwidths, etc so that these HD radios will be something that the analog crowd would love to buy! JP ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From philipr@irac.pe.ca Tue Aug 21 07:58:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52768 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2007 14:58:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2007 14:58:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.250) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2007 14:58:22 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n29.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2007 14:54:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2007 14:54:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2007 14:54:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:54:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <25351.79573.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 142.176.20.3 From: "Phil" Subject: Re:From ABDX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723; y=cB4BAHjAET9UsYn8Wd6WAevHI3Kp9eYe3zYXWqaIDnHqCmba6E1q X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking A very good idea! One which would help sell more HD radios too.=20=20 Phil --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > Phil wrote: "...hear that the HD100 is a pretty decent rig on > analogue. I also hear that it can decode CQUAM AM Stereo. I'm=20 getting a > new high power CQUAM transmitter..." >=20 > I would suggest that all of us 'engineering types' write letters to=20 the > HD radio manufacturers and suggest that they simply upgrade the=20 analog > section in these HD radios - at least offer us a menu to allow us > manual analog controls of CQUAM stereo, 10KHz/7.5KHz/6KHz=20 bandwidths, > etc so that these HD radios will be something that the analog crowd > would love to buy! >=20 > JP >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel=20 today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=3D7 > From narkspud@hotmail.com Tue Aug 21 08:58:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37887 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2007 15:58:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2007 15:58:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.216) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2007 15:58:19 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2007 15:55:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2007 15:55:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:55:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <25351.79573.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.70.167.8 From: "narkspud" Subject: Re:From ABDX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=Zq6PJUxVP3veq2GPNwItD6H4HnKKNp97jbG9Sku91uz34wg X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: >=20 > I would suggest that all of us 'engineering types' write letters to the > HD radio manufacturers and suggest that they simply upgrade the analog > section in these HD radios - at least offer us a menu to allow us > manual analog controls of CQUAM stereo, 10KHz/7.5KHz/6KHz bandwidths, > etc so that these HD radios will be something that the analog crowd > would love to buy! A manufacturer's rep on another board reported that the C-QUAM compatabilit= y comes from=20 the firmware code provided by Ibiquity, and is not considered a supported f= eature. It likely=20 never will be, either, since the manufacturers would have to pay Motorola a= royalty for every=20 radio sold. Just not worth it, he said. Not enough interest. I can report that the Sangean HDT-1's C-QUAM decoding ability is spotty at = best, and the JVC=20 car stereo doesn't appear to support it at all. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Aug 21 16:44:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65677 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2007 23:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2007 23:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.247) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2007 23:44:24 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2007 23:42:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2007 23:42:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2007 23:42:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 23:42:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.24.231 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re:From ABDX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=8hgyQ_m_6gEr1UQCxq94cnjQB_95kMpiHiHwctkUEvRevQjH X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > >=20 > A manufacturer's rep on another board reported that the C-QUAM compatability comes from=20 > the firmware code provided by Ibiquity, and is not considered a supported feature. It likely=20 > never will be, either, since the manufacturers would have to pay Motorola a royalty for every=20 > radio sold. Just not worth it, he said. Not enough interest. 1: One of the key reason's for Motorola's success in wining the marketplace battle for AM stereo was that they waived all royalty fees, even for the use of the C-QUAM trademark. 2: Most of the C-QUAM patents, as well as the trademark have expired. The patents that haven't expired yet are ones developed in the 1990s with the last two or three versions of its C-QUAM chips, most notably phase compensation, which is intended to reduce platform shift, as well as certain circuits and enhancements for digitally-tuned C-QUAM radios, also in late-series chips. C-QUAM is for all intents and purposes in the public domain now. In fact, all analogue AM stereo systems, exept for one from Sanyo, developed in the mid-'80s after the start of the AMS market wars, which is based on the RCA/Belar system, are in the public domain....which is also part of the problem with IBOC, in that the system is proprietary in a way that prevents itself from being supportable once the patents and trademarks associated with it expire, or revert to the public domain. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Aug 21 16:46:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1118 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2007 23:46:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2007 23:46:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.234) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2007 23:46:15 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n24.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2007 23:44:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2007 23:44:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2007 23:44:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 23:44:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <25351.79573.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.24.231 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re:From ABDX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=oejWytv2CMxGqW3m5dCVukrJoi5OhWInHVhCSIhQire-C1Yt X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > Phil wrote: "...hear that the HD100 is a pretty decent rig on > analogue. I also hear that it can decode CQUAM AM Stereo. I'm getting a > new high power CQUAM transmitter..." >=20 > I would suggest that all of us 'engineering types' write letters to the > HD radio manufacturers and suggest that they simply upgrade the analog > section in these HD radios - at least offer us a menu to allow us > manual analog controls of CQUAM stereo, 10KHz/7.5KHz/6KHz bandwidths, > etc so that these HD radios will be something that the analog crowd > would love to buy! "AM what??" (Only us AMS anoraks know, it seems.... :P ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Aug 21 22:58:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5942 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2007 05:58:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2007 05:58:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.60) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2007 05:58:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2007 05:57:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2007 05:57:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 05:56:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.60 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.13 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re:From ABDX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=kHWNnORLP538danuW9E6CiRabr8LEWXDd4eVLcIo3tYUgLVEfg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > > > >=20 > > A manufacturer's rep on another board reported that the C-QUAM > compatability comes from=20 > > the firmware code provided by Ibiquity, and is not considered a > supported feature. It likely=20 > > never will be, either, since the manufacturers would have to pay > Motorola a royalty for every=20 > > radio sold. Just not worth it, he said. Not enough interest. >=20 > 1: One of the key reason's for Motorola's success in wining the > marketplace battle for AM stereo was that they waived all royalty > fees, even for the use of the C-QUAM trademark. >=20 > 2: Most of the C-QUAM patents, as well as the trademark have=20 expired. > The patents that haven't expired yet are ones developed in the=20 1990s > with the last two or three versions of its C-QUAM chips, most=20 notably > phase compensation, which is intended to reduce platform shift, as > well as certain circuits and enhancements for digitally-tuned C- QUAM > radios, also in late-series chips. >=20 > C-QUAM is for all intents and purposes in the public domain now. In > fact, all analogue AM stereo systems, exept for one from Sanyo, > developed in the mid-'80s after the start of the AMS market wars, > which is based on the RCA/Belar system, are in the public > domain....which is also part of the problem with IBOC, in that the > system is proprietary in a way that prevents itself from being > supportable once the patents and trademarks associated with it=20 expire, > or revert to the public domain. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > AND... we must to add that the basic HD idea is to eliminate, to=20 kill, the ANALOG AM AUDIO. So, in this heading, I think the HD=20 tuners manufacturers don't want to make a product who doesn't show,=20 clearly (according their ideas) the "great" difference between=20 analog and digital AM. But, they are wrong, so wrong!!! Even, the fact that any HD tuner has an analog reception stage=20 is "THE" best proof against the digital "new" system. QUESTION: Why would we need this analog stage in the new digital=20 tuners if the "new" digital system is "so" good? ANSWER: Simple, because the "new" system works... SOMETIMES, in some=20 ideal conditions, ONLY!!! When the digital stage become=20 incapable/incompetent to decode the "fantastic" new signal then...=20 What do the perfect, incredible, outstanding and "very good" new=20 digital system does? ... It changes/get back to the OLD, OBSOLOTE,=20 BAD and DIRTY analog system!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! The best 20th=20 century digital idea is still needing the old idea!!!!!!! What's a=20 paradox (or pathetic?). LONG LIFE TO THE IDEAS WHOM WORK (as our ANALOG AM MONO/STEREO)!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Aug 21 23:16:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19884 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2007 06:16:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2007 06:16:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao101.cox.net) (68.230.241.45) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2007 06:16:11 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070822061546.RZMU9971.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 02:15:46 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.4] ([68.225.240.86]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id euFm1X00C1sYu840000000; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 02:15:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <9F6603E6-1E13-4B29-A4F9-A694563EEAE2@cox.net> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 23:15:45 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:From ABDX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=ycNcNt3AIBLoGHZt6I36h7RkI_o6j9GQUNbVNGGcYGbqjzlioO8Bj-Zhd2iH X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If analog were turned off, HD would work much better. We "need" the fallback only for analog-only radios. On Aug 21, 2007, at 10:56 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > QUESTION: Why would we need this analog stage in the new digital > tuners if the "new" digital system is "so" good? > > ANSWER: Simple, because the "new" system works... SOMETIMES, in some > ideal conditions, ONLY!!! When the digital stage become > incapable/incompetent to decode the "fantastic" new signal then... > What do the perfect, incredible, outstanding and "very good" new > digital system does? ... It changes/get back to the OLD, OBSOLOTE, > BAD and DIRTY analog system!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! The best 20th > century digital idea is still needing the old idea!!!!!!! What's a > paradox (or pathetic?). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Aug 22 23:32:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56056 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2007 06:32:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2007 06:32:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2007 06:32:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2007 06:31:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2007 06:31:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:31:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9F6603E6-1E13-4B29-A4F9-A694563EEAE2@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.95 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re:From ABDX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=EJGJVRBdVTK0Y15b5WGo7i1NvTHhPmRHB5G2gG8J1g-XRvo63g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner =20 wrote: > > If analog were turned off, HD would work much better. ... (snip) ... Really? Can you proof it? If you have a 1 KW final power AM TX, with=20 ONLY the "new" HD digital signal, CAN YOU GET THE SAME COVERAGE AREA=20 WICH IS COVER BY AN ANALOG AUDIO TX, ANY TIME, ANY SEASON, ANY KIND=20 OF TOWN, MOUNTAINS, VALLEYS, ETC. ETC.? > We "need" the fallback only for analog-only radios. =20 Mmm, when the FM Stereo was born somebody said something like=20 this: "we need the sum (mono) channel to the compatibility with the=20 FM mono tuners." But, in that past, and even today, the FM mono=20 sounds exactly the same that the FM stereo (the only difference is=20 the obvious 2 stereo audio channels against 1 mono audio channel)=20 and nobody said something against the mono technology. The problem, today, with the HD technology is that there are a lot=20 of people who wants to kill something (the AM analog audio) with a=20 non fair-play game (if the analog part of the hybrid HD system had=20 the same quality of a full C-QUAM AM Stereo, I think it would be=20 more fair). In other words: I'm not against the progress; I only want a fair- play: IF YOU WANT TO PROMOTE (or if you are contracted by a=20 manufacturer to promote) SOMETHING, PROMOTE A THING THAT REALLY WAS=20 A "NEW" AND "GOOD" THING, PROMOTE A THING THAT WORKS. What will be pass when the people (general public) buy an HD tuner=20 and they discover all the "little fails" of the "new" system, the=20 afils of their "new" investment? Who will be the idiot? THE AM=20 BROADCASTERS!!! Is it a fair help to the AM band? I insist the engineers must to work so hard to create, really=20 create, a system to put digital audio in the AM band. For the=20 moment, IBOC HD (Ibiquity) and DRM don't have demostrate a good=20 future IN AM!!! Let them to the FM, UHF, etc. I think in FM is more=20 easy to get it. For the moment, leave the AM with the analog audio,=20 please!!! Just as a question: Who decides who is INTO the FCC? Engineers?=20 Manufacturers? Broadcasters? The general people (democratic=20 election)? or The today government? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From tomray@wor710.com Thu Aug 23 09:01:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48300 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2007 16:01:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2007 16:01:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.56) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2007 16:01:27 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2007 16:01:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2007 16:01:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:00:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re:From ABDX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=BGctoPmi5omNIE0EbBcB6M32K_xdN_LIkknDhx7a_u_7lXdc X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > >=20 > Really? Can you proof it? If you have a 1 KW final power AM TX,=20 with=20 > ONLY the "new" HD digital signal, CAN YOU GET THE SAME COVERAGE=20 AREA=20 > WICH IS COVER BY AN ANALOG AUDIO TX, ANY TIME, ANY SEASON, ANY KIND=20 > OF TOWN, MOUNTAINS, VALLEYS, ETC. ETC.? >=20 Define coverage. If you are asking if an all digital signal will cover the FCC defined=20 contours, the answer is yes. If you're asking if you will get a digital signal in places where you=20 can barely hear the analog (and it is therefore useless anyway), the=20 answer will be no. Tom Ray WOR From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Aug 23 09:33:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98098 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2007 16:33:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2007 16:33:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2007 16:33:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 86476 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2007 16:32:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: L7f0_VUVM1n7UR.uXIG..Gv4Y3G3xGCtXa0KFkxW5mqYNE1cmeywUfGQCnqiLYVTng-- Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:32:46 PDT Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:32:46 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <871211.85956.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:From ABDX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=CJlv-3EstzCI7aXYXlp4O580pXg6yGRBbivLUzjaXSk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > Define coverage. > > If you are asking if an all digital signal will > cover the FCC defined contours, the answer is yes. SOMEtimes. In hybrid mode this is not always so. > If you're asking if you will get a digital signal in > places where you > can barely hear the analog (and it is therefore > useless anyway), the answer will be no. And remember the digital power is a WHISPER of the analog. I wonder what it will be like if you could turn off the analog. An earlier version of the BE software allowed this. WCOS 1400 accidentally got left on in digital only mode one night. Tom, when will the software have that option AGAIN? 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Its a Brand NEW DIGITAL AM STEREO CQUAM Transmitter (DDS 530- 1710KHz with=20 1KHz step) 120mW NR LOW starting price...=20 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=3D1&item=3D200144755359= =20 Best regards=20 Sotiris=20 From narkspud@hotmail.com Thu Aug 23 21:48:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54791 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2007 04:48:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2007 04:48:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.107) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2007 04:48:23 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n11.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2007 04:47:42 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2007 04:47:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2007 04:47:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 04:47:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.107 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.183.12.19 From: "narkspud" Subject: Interference from AM HD, and FM Translators for AM ?!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=MVblVec3SFv0fTHKr-_6-ta3FgGsTD5FK1GGKS11DMZ7k4k X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Interesting article in Radio World, as engineers discuss the interference i= mpact of IBOC: http://www.rwonline.com/pages/s.0049/t.7843.html Especially interesting to me . . . the fact that Cox stations have turned o= ff IBOC at all four of=20 their equipped AM facilities because they can hear the bees on wideband Chr= ysler and=20 Mercedes car radios.=20=20 "We are not willing to compromise signal quality on those products," he (St= erling Davis at=20 Cox) said. "Ibiquity acknowledges the problem and claims to be working on = a solution . . ." In somewhat related news, the FCC has proposed FM translators for AM statio= ns. One of the=20 reasons? Expected IBOC interference to low-power stations from adjacent-ch= annel 50 kw=20 IBOC blowtorches. http://www.radioworld.com/pages/s.0100/t.7935.html From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Aug 23 23:56:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4847 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2007 06:56:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2007 06:56:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.104) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2007 06:56:24 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n10.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2007 06:56:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2007 06:56:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2007 06:56:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 06:56:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.24.231 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Interference from AM HD, and FM Translators for AM ?!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=ngLT9xnJBRwMmpuZC47sGRQiUrmLnv7_QXdBMv6MAPBh1F4Q X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > "We are not willing to compromise signal quality on those products," he (Sterling Davis at=20 > Cox) said. "Ibiquity acknowledges the problem and claims to be working on a solution . . ." And HOW MANY YEARS have people been complaining about that? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From tomray@wor710.com Fri Aug 24 10:11:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32475 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2007 17:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2007 17:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2007 17:11:09 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2007 17:10:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2007 17:10:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2007 17:10:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:10:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Interference from AM HD, and FM Translators for AM ?!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=IlPyo7l0OGu2qpsbCl25xif0iYSbasc0kGeLsRio38-5siOK X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: >=20 > And HOW MANY YEARS have people been complaining about that? >=20 Not many. And my question is: how long will this "problem" last as people trade=20 up cars and these radios are off the road? And I also ask, do you=20 play to the few who have these radios, or to the masses who have=20 the "usual" AM radios? Can't please everyone. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Fri Aug 24 10:16:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58453 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2007 17:10:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2007 17:10:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.183) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2007 17:10:51 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2007 17:08:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2007 17:08:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2007 17:08:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:08:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <871211.85956.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re:From ABDX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=oKjNGQC_jO0m5NE7uIVqfqPNutf_hz7z4yKSJMPVsCJdKP5M X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 An earlier version of the BE > software allowed this. WCOS 1400 accidentally got left > on in digital only mode one night. Tom, when will the > software have that option AGAIN? This was the earlier software that did this. I'll ask. I suppose it=20 won't be that long. Tom Ray WOR From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Aug 24 10:43:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62958 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2007 17:42:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2007 17:42:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2007 17:42:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 44955 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Aug 2007 17:41:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LKk64TgVM1lKexuvL07KbiCe7rG7O.RVnMhyCHIRgA9fq1XQTN48IiGYPArI99yRTt.jlpH8MPQhLmjxsGq6w0iwPJ_y1XJSmFcUxUdOOczAMj5iovTTG5F4ZA-- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:41:55 PDT Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:41:55 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <124454.44049.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re:Interference from AM HD, and FM Translators for AM ?!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=h7eXIa0wWgV4mgSd-2feVbkQqIql14MhaE-7RWY5iAk7VtvngAu1fKg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio as Narkspud noted: "...can hear the bees on wideband Chrysler and Mercedes car radios...." Yep my 2001 Chrysler and 1999 Plymouth vehicles both 'hear' the digital sidebands 20KHz above and below the frequency of the IBOC stations quite well unfortunately. (RAZ models w/3bandEQ 6KHz & 7.5KHz I.F. filters) - BUT it also hears CFCO quite well in CQUAM and WLS. Both pale in comparison to the 1995 version from Chrysler with the 5band EQ, or early 90's Delco UX1 models (with 10KHz AMAX). As noted before, there is something 'special' in the new IBOC AM radios that 'tunes out' the digital buzz, to the point where you can actually hear the analog AM station again! Now, if they could just combine the two radios!! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Aug 24 11:20:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41744 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2007 18:20:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2007 18:20:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao102.cox.net) (68.230.241.44) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2007 18:20:03 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070824181452.OMZN10742.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:14:52 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.4] ([68.225.240.86]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id fuEs1X0121sYu840000000; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:14:52 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:14:51 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Interference from AM HD, and FM Translators for AM ?!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=vT1waOPPZ8ATflV1bqzdI6iQPM6woSYEjSgmEYyt9n4Cq74Psyt5XOcvjRcH X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All it would take is one year of across the board HD installs to make the complaints go away, in my opinion. I know that Chrysler had AM stereo in "all" of their cars (my wife's '97 Sebring did not), but GM only had it in certain vehicles and only on a handful of models -- the vast majority were mono narrowband. Further, such as the case when my friend had it in his Jeep, he took the radio out anyway and replaced it with something from Sony. Said the AM stereo never sounded good to him anyway. On Aug 24, 2007, at 10:10 AM, Tom Ray wrote: > > And my question is: how long will this "problem" last as people trade > up cars and these radios are off the road? And I also ask, do you > play to the few who have these radios, or to the masses who have > the "usual" AM radios? Can't please everyone. > > Tom Ray > WOR > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From narkspud@hotmail.com Sat Aug 25 07:58:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33173 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2007 14:58:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2007 14:58:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.208) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2007 14:58:13 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2007 14:55:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2007 14:55:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2007 14:55:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:55:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.183.12.19 From: "narkspud" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Interference from AM HD, and FM Translators for AM ?!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=CLm8Tzrp58-IWPruApLdRCw7FT_enbGKmSxjVTGEi53U3rQ X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > > All it would take is one year of across the board HD installs to make = =20 > the complaints go away, in my opinion. Is that all? From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Aug 25 09:17:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35950 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2007 16:17:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2007 16:17:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao103.cox.net) (68.230.241.43) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2007 16:17:10 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070825161619.SJN11280.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 12:16:19 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.4] ([68.225.240.86]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id gGGJ1X00A1sYu840000000; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 12:16:18 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <012167E5-64FA-43B2-888E-BFBAAA29EE54@cox.net> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 09:16:17 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Interference from AM HD, and FM Translators for AM ?!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=9X9QTbuYW7qJoB5Y9n788zKBLbns-yP8eFOv1sgDBC14imqsxnhQmg1ECJXI X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well ... I didn't say it would be easy. On Aug 25, 2007, at 7:55 AM, narkspud wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > wrote: > > > > All it would take is one year of across the board HD installs to > make > > the complaints go away, in my opinion. > > Is that all? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From chrysafis74@comcast.net Sat Aug 25 13:33:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: chrysafis74@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76548 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2007 20:33:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2007 20:33:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc12.comcast.net) (204.127.192.82) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2007 20:33:22 -0000 Received: from office (c-68-37-195-197.hsd1.nj.comcast.net[68.37.195.197]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20070825195635m1200di81be>; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:56:35 +0000 Message-ID: <005701c7e752$0b966a50$0601a8c0@office> To: Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:56:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000768-3, 08/25/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 204.127.192.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: AMS-G1 Manuals Found! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=312222918; y=o_J_Z58hk0D5qxB71sUqNqxCGotgg4ZmeuCRWFzQ1jDh X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd The wonders that get accomplished when i get P.O.'d enough ;) Harris AMS-G1 Manuals, I know a few on here including myself needed copies. Well here you all go :) Free for download. ftp://anonymous@amstereo.audio-stream.net/upload-here-please/AMS-G1_0601.pdf ftp://anonymous@amstereo.audio-stream.net/upload-here-please/AM-466-TLH_0896.pdf Tech Manual / Install manual ftp://anonymous@amstereo.audio-stream.net/upload-here-please/8882363001O_AMS-G1_Aug_1994.pdf Thank You, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hunterdonfree From narkspud@hotmail.com Sat Aug 25 13:52:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72009 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2007 20:52:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2007 20:52:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.133) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2007 20:52:51 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2007 20:52:29 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2007 20:52:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2007 20:52:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:52:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.183.12.19 From: "narkspud" Subject: KBRT 740 Avalon, CA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=YCpIX9XIslFf5-CFxvaR_YDMhNiStLqPplJinEMpjyiam5s X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud No HD and full NRSC bandwidth on KBRT today. They're a religious talker, o= wned by=20 Crawford. They were C-QUAM until they went HD a year or so ago. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 25 17:58:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45769 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2007 00:57:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2007 00:57:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.114) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2007 00:57:06 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2007 00:53:53 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2007 00:53:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2007 00:53:53 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 00:53:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.8.109.253 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Interference from AM HD, and FM Translators for AM ?!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=ASaq70QbWhqzSfkNDGAyXmjh71c7oh6ye6X9EkpWZdZq8xt-QTR6xmGt2lDwLwqJW7Hb_I5L X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 > wrote: > >=20 > > And HOW MANY YEARS have people been complaining about that? > >=20 >=20 > Not many. >=20 > And my question is: how long will this "problem" last as people trade=20 > up cars and these radios are off the road? And I also ask, do you=20 > play to the few who have these radios, or to the masses who have=20 > the "usual" AM radios? Can't please everyone. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > Hi Tom "Mot Many"?? You mite ask Bill in SC how "not Many" he see's=20 every day. I now have a local 50kw HD Radio station and boy i wished=20 that FCC pushed AM STEREO harder then thay did. Jim Smith From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 25 18:14:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36022 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2007 01:13:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2007 01:13:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.184) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2007 01:13:40 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2007 01:13:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2007 01:13:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2007 01:13:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 01:13:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.8.109.253 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re:From ABDX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=rnLzSY8WolGak7wCHSfzqUUN3P7NdyOVQ3B1rr-qvf-mOYru3eOAY11Sx4GZsXeKnpXq02E6 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 > wrote: > > > >=20 > An earlier version of the BE > > software allowed this. WCOS 1400 accidentally got left > > on in digital only mode one night. Tom, when will the > > software have that option AGAIN? >=20 > This was the earlier software that did this. I'll ask. I suppose it=20 > won't be that long. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > Hi Tom Besides the noise that HD radio stations are going to be=20 interfearing with each other what is going to be the back up to the HD=20 signal when the HD signal fails in some areas. I am sure its going to=20 some what like cell phones spotty. I live neer the Serria Moutains. Is=20 HD Radio is going to work the same as analog AM ? I think not. A lot=20 of poeple depend on weather reports in the moutains when going camping=20 and liveing in the moutains. Thats some thing that FM can't do. And i=20 don't think that AM HD is going to work in the mountains ether. I=20 would love to hear a report on how HD AM works in the moutains. Jim=20 Smith From tomray@wor710.com Sat Aug 25 18:33:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47529 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2007 01:33:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2007 01:33:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.214) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2007 01:33:50 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n33.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2007 01:32:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2007 01:32:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2007 01:32:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 01:32:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Interference from AM HD, and FM Translators for AM ?!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=Dd1fGfaA7_uVP2GHDxqKeyf9cdkcHkEZPXhxt0XwiiMj72uO X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > > Hi Tom "Mot Many"?? You mite ask Bill in SC how "not Many" he=20 see's=20 > every day. I now have a local 50kw HD Radio station and boy i=20 wished=20 > that FCC pushed AM STEREO harder then thay did. Jim Smith > Compared to the total number of radios that DON'T exhibit the problem - yeah, it's not many. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Sat Aug 25 18:34:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66988 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2007 01:34:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2007 01:34:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.220) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2007 01:34:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2007 01:34:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2007 01:34:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 01:34:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re:From ABDX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=Nl4ESdActE3qhAjnlOHUn58hP2cakZXp5UertOOQKrLZ6KmK X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" =20 wrote: > I=20 > would love to hear a report on how HD AM works in the moutains. Jim=20 > Smith > Well, I'll be up in Syracuse next weekend....there are mountains all=20 around. They have a 1KW station there that has pretty good HD=20 coverage. I'll let you know. Tom Ray WOR From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Aug 25 18:50:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12054 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2007 01:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2007 01:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2007 01:50:31 -0000 Received: from [64.131.24.74] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.1.0) with SMTP id <20070825204750101455600003> for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:47:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <000301c7e784$1f489be0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <783566.32450.qm@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:47:50 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} From ABDX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=1PbD5l2neTxB6sidGiOcEMLfDHNNJ-TeNYo6VNSzBuSruJyyZneq X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Likely the crystal set people had neighbors with regenerative sets with the regen control set too high and they were hearing the regenerated signals. 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=n6oM7rHW00sfSeSTmcNkUKQv7oiHS2mup5E-Vg3LnoSt5dTIyZGznJUfeONHSReG7S2H2XHt X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 > > wrote: > > >=20 > > > And HOW MANY YEARS have people been complaining about that? > > >=20 > >=20 > > Not many. > >=20 > > And my question is: how long will this "problem" last as people=20 trade=20 > > up cars and these radios are off the road? And I also ask, do=20 you=20 > > play to the few who have these radios, or to the masses who have=20 > > the "usual" AM radios? Can't please everyone. > >=20 > > Tom Ray > > WOR > > > Hi Tom "Mot Many"?? You mite ask Bill in SC how "not Many" he=20 see's=20 > every day. I now have a local 50kw HD Radio station and boy i=20 wished=20 > that FCC pushed AM STEREO harder then thay did. Jim Smith > Hi I miss read that message. "Not Many" It's as "not many" who has=20 a analog radio. Jim Smith From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 25 18:55:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79294 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2007 01:55:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2007 01:55:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.208) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2007 01:55:39 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2007 01:55:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2007 01:55:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2007 01:55:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 01:55:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.8.109.253 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Interference from AM HD, and FM Translators for AM ?!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=-THJG-qmQnebytjSNy4PTjXHGK8VjaI5gwUlDMCx11nfuAQTzxI0ZVYqpFqzfiXWE2zXvU54 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" =20 > wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > > > > Hi Tom "Mot Many"?? You mite ask Bill in SC how "not Many" he=20 > see's=20 > > every day. I now have a local 50kw HD Radio station and boy i=20 > wished=20 > > that FCC pushed AM STEREO harder then thay did. Jim Smith > > >=20 > Compared to the total number of radios that DON'T exhibit the=20 problem - > yeah, it's not many. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > Hi Tom How many is "not many over the last 85 years Tom? Jim Smith From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 25 18:58:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27926 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2007 01:58:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2007 01:58:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.31) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2007 01:58:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2007 01:57:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2007 01:57:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 01:57:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.8.109.253 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re:From ABDX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=DtDNoPn_e2OCzoQbfRO3hnJZ4XgePHsSWMutHKROdE-voJ-xSYvUyt48nMuKrzshJY7GB0Gx X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" =20 > wrote: > > > I=20 > > would love to hear a report on how HD AM works in the moutains.=20=20 Jim=20 > > Smith > > >=20 > Well, I'll be up in Syracuse next weekend....there are mountains all=20 > around. They have a 1KW station there that has pretty good HD=20 > coverage. I'll let you know. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > Hi Tom Sounds good!!!! Jim S From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 25 21:21:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44094 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2007 04:21:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2007 04:21:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp115.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.88) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2007 04:21:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 69842 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2007 04:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO z4x8l4) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.25.46.26 with login) by smtp115.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2007 04:21:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FBUhCZIVM1nuNnxOWPXxLykf_MLlYLfrRHaeHmlINVSARYQ7aQrDfhlyL.iuK1SPZuVx4FvGqQ-- Message-ID: <001401c7e798$a914b3e0$20a4fea9@z4x8l4> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "Jim Smith" Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 21:22:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0:0 From: Subject: Here in Califonia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=fKzl_CbiBJnc1-C8_-RmXt9MSnOzPsTSkW9hefXoZZ0paex6b9mwoyueQS0F689v5fc6gYx4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Tom and gang What I was talking about was here in California where we have most of our AM and FM TX's are down in the valley 40 to 50 air wave miles between the valley and mountains. FM dose not work in mountains from the valley but analog AM works very well in our mountains form the valley. Most of our TX's are from the greater Sacramento Ca area. Thanks Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Aug 25 22:07:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28504 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2007 05:07:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2007 05:07:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.121) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2007 05:07:33 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2007 05:07:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2007 05:07:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2007 05:07:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 05:07:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.121 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.123 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Interference from AM HD, and FM Translators for AM ?!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=avS8hgsM-NX7j8QN8QmP-3I0FI4os8k_GaHPiy0U7oaTZ0vh6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI GANG!!! If the HD signal is JUST a whisper, it means we need a lot of=20 kilowatts of power to get far, so far. According to the practice, not the theory, an analog audio AM TX=20 with only one kWs (1000 Wts) can cover 60 kilometers (37 miles)=20 around. In a country like USA, where there are a plenty of dollars, I guess=20 it isn't hard to get a 10, or 25, or even 50 kWs AM station, BUT=20 DON'T FORGET USA ISN'T THE WHOLE WORLD!!! There is another world in=20 this planet; a poor and very poor world (my country included); here=20 is so hard to get an one kWs station, men!!! How much area can we expect from a 1 kWs HD TX? The same as an=20 analog TX? If the today analog TXs can cover the world and they have been=20 covered it for the last 85 years, and the HD doesn't offer a really=20 best performance, I wonder if we really need something "new". GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Aug 26 00:05:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86719 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2007 07:05:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2007 07:05:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao103.cox.net) (68.230.241.43) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2007 07:05:53 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070826070540.JVIN11280.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 03:05:40 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.4] ([68.225.240.86]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id gX5e1X00C1sYu840000000; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 03:05:39 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <2125C392-9ED9-48BD-9893-75FA9B861E14@cox.net> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 00:05:38 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Interference from AM HD, and FM Translators for AM ?!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=d6sDOQ8fn1hUHDb9eumSnEt1lr4rgg6QRchmkAgO4tS_WVfANvIB5U1yVJ6t X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FM HD is 1/100 the power of the analog signal, and it still reaches=20=20 quite well. I don't know the power of AM, but it too is but a small=20=20 fraction of the analog AM power. This means that you are actually=20=20 arguing FOR HD, as it is more "efficient." Richard On Aug 25, 2007, at 10:07 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > HI GANG!!! > > If the HD signal is JUST a whisper, it means we need a lot of > kilowatts of power to get far, so far. > > According to the practice, not the theory, an analog audio AM TX > with only one kWs (1000 Wts) can cover 60 kilometers (37 miles) > around. > > In a country like USA, where there are a plenty of dollars, I guess > it isn't hard to get a 10, or 25, or even 50 kWs AM station, BUT > DON'T FORGET USA ISN'T THE WHOLE WORLD!!! There is another world in > this planet; a poor and very poor world (my country included); here > is so hard to get an one kWs station, men!!! > > How much area can we expect from a 1 kWs HD TX? The same as an > analog TX? > > If the today analog TXs can cover the world and they have been > covered it for the last 85 years, and the HD doesn't offer a really > best performance, I wonder if we really need something "new". > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > >=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Sun Aug 26 08:57:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24310 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2007 15:57:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2007 15:57:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.206) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2007 15:57:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2007 15:56:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2007 15:56:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 15:56:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Interference from AM HD, and FM Translators for AM ?!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=ShVkyFNpskEeg-gUzYnOH2dYHaxAzUAJWLyvb3yuSEU3Tjib X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" =20 wrote: > > > > Hi Tom How many is "not many over the last 85 years Tom? Jim Smith > 1) This started with a comment in regards to radios in Chrysler=20 vehicles. I highly doubt that these have been in existence for 85=20 years. 2) There comes a time to move on. That time has come. Live in the=20 past if you wish. Some of us prefer to live in the present and look=20 toward the future....so that there IS a future. Tom Ray WOR From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sun Aug 26 15:29:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44179 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2007 22:27:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2007 22:27:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.243) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2007 22:27:53 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n27.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2007 22:27:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2007 22:27:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2007 22:27:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 22:27:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.243 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.74.77.236 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: Interference from AM HD, and FM Translators for AM ?!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=E6f9BIWfalwQtvYXPxqYavYfGuHyrRCn_esrhNabi84 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 I usually do avoid to comment any HD related topics, and mostly the=20 ones that are analog vs digital discussions going on...=20 However I 've seen that Mr Tom Ray has a quite polarized view on what=20 is what in life... And he must excuse me for saying that, but as I'm=20 also an engineer, maybe I have some thing to say...=20 First, I must clarify that, yes digital is excellent IN MOST CASES=20 for system intergration, and maybe audio processing also... Doing=20 projects with both digital circuitry, and analog also, both for RF=20 and audio, for about 25 years, I think I do have somekind of a small=20 experience in the radio broadcast world digital vs analog matter...=20 I do live in the present and do hope to see the future also... But I=20 can't wipe out the past so easily, as it wasn't there, and there=20 isn't anything valuable that we have to keep from it! And my oppinion=20 cannot be considered as a "biased" on one way or the other, as I have=20 nothing to gain or loose...=20 Now, I will just say some simple, very simple things...=20 Mr Ray might disagree with others on the final "future" view but he=20 can't disagree that ALL audio related digital systems need the ANALOG=20 part to work. That's because the human was analog "interfaced" in the=20 past, and I think still is and hope to also be in the future...=20 And that is not a joke. The Human ears are the most=20 sofisticated "discriminators" still made... Human can discriminate=20 sounds coming from a direction at almost 360 degrees around him and=20 even at diferrent elevation levels at the same time, and even with a=20 background noise that the best error correction routines can't work=20 with... There is a quite strange autolevelling threshold procedure=20 that man brain has, that you can hear things behind a noise floor=20 that most digital systems will fall.=20 Human hearing is ANALOG and it is still the standing proof that=20 analog world is the real interface for any media that need to be=20 easily received from humans. And said EASILY because radio=20 (broadcasting radio is the right wording) should be possible to be=20 received with the easiest technical method. That might be look=20=20 strange to some people, but history shows that in the hardest crisis=20 situations radio was the basic media that anyone relied to. And maybe=20 in US you haven't ever heard of receivers that made from people=20 without even basic electronics knowledge, from spare parts found from=20 broken radios, to be used by people accross Europe during the WWII to=20 hear the BBC service!=20 Yes, that's the "past" I do agree with Mr Ray... But I have do my=20 studies in history also... and I do know that history repeats it=20 self!=20 Hope that HD and ALL other Digital Radio systems, that in some quite=20 strange way some people trying to make us believe as "the only way of=20 future living with", be EASILY available in similar situations... Or=20 maybe nobody cares about that anymore...=20=20 Maybe I'm wrong but the radio waves propagation is ANALOG... Or isn't=20 it? If it is, then a radio signal follows the analog rules and it=20 doesn't propagates like 1 or 0. It's not a signal that at point 1 can=20 be received but at the point 0 can't be received at all... Well I=20 know it's not so simple but I do hope you've got the meaning. BER=20 THRESHOLD...=20 Lets see an example of comparing analog and digital thru-air=20 signals...=20 TV broadcasting! An analog TV broadcasting will be viewable (because=20 human brain can resolve most difficult patterns covered inside a=20 noisy screen) in the case of an emergency even with a heavy noisy=20 screen and also even if interference has occur... A DTV will freez=20 the screen at any time that a BER increased over the CRC capabilities=20 and the receivers DSR threshold level. Until the incoming bitstream=20 can be processed again, there is not a chance to even catch a=20 distorted information that might be critical at the time... Your=20 screen will stand still until the digital decoder will be capable to=20 refresh it. Check it out with a sat receiver... Yes it doesn't happen=20 so easy as described above, BUT IT IS TRUE OR NOT? =20 Last but not least. A QUESTION THAT ONCE MUST BE SERIOUSLY ANSWERED:=20 WHY WE MUST CONVERT ANYTHING TO RADIO ON DIGITAL? Is it because we=20 found that the analog systems doesn't work reliable, after almost a=20 century of usage of it??? Is it the same reason as the CDs were=20 introduced, and finally prooved to be less reliable than the vinyl=20 discs, while they were promoted back at 80's as the new=20 INDESTRUCTIBLE, WITHOUT SCRATCHES AND OTHER OLDER PLAYBACK PROBLEMS,=20 record media that will replace all this "past" poor technology media=20 (the one that still works even with a scratch on it)? Even young=20 people going back to vinyl lately, those young peoples that uses ipod=20 and have listen to mp3 from the day they borned... Have somebody=20 asked them WHY?=20 Their answer will make you do a second thought, of what and why must=20 be turned to DIGITAL just for the "future"...=20 Radio needs programming material first. Do that better and you will=20 all find that no digital is necessary to the future of radio...=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris=20 PS: I've worked with DAB here and I'm a Chief Engineer for one the=20 major news radio stations at Athens for more than 17 years... Radio=20 is similar everywhere... and the above are just my oppinion. I do=20 believe that digital technology is a must for most processing paths=20 of radio, but I'm still not conviced that digital radio is a ONEWAY=20 situation for the future of radio... Sorry!=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" =20 > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Tom How many is "not many over the last 85 years Tom? Jim=20 Smith > > >=20 > 1) This started with a comment in regards to radios in Chrysler=20 > vehicles. I highly doubt that these have been in existence for 85=20 > years. >=20 > 2) There comes a time to move on. That time has come. Live in the=20 > past if you wish. Some of us prefer to live in the present and=20 look=20 > toward the future....so that there IS a future. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 26 19:11:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86505 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2007 02:11:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2007 02:11:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.215) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2007 02:11:21 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n33.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2007 02:09:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2007 02:09:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2007 02:09:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 02:09:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.149.223 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Interference from AM HD, and FM Translators for AM ?!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=jspJuVa89fTsGKbxrPFmiHPnTq5IJ-XPBwUOaRJYDEu5NhBIhyJVBJPSSz4gxr_idFOC1YpM X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > Hi=20 > I usually do avoid to comment any HD related topics, and mostly the=20 > ones that are analog vs digital discussions going on...=20 > However I 've seen that Mr Tom Ray has a quite polarized view on=20 what=20 > is what in life... And he must excuse me for saying that, but as=20 I'm=20 > also an engineer, maybe I have some thing to say...=20 > First, I must clarify that, yes digital is excellent IN MOST CASES=20 > for system intergration, and maybe audio processing also... Doing=20 > projects with both digital circuitry, and analog also, both for RF=20 > and audio, for about 25 years, I think I do have somekind of a=20 small=20 > experience in the radio broadcast world digital vs analog matter...=20 > I do live in the present and do hope to see the future also... But=20 I=20 > can't wipe out the past so easily, as it wasn't there, and there=20 > isn't anything valuable that we have to keep from it! And my=20 oppinion=20 > cannot be considered as a "biased" on one way or the other, as I=20 have=20 > nothing to gain or loose...=20 >=20 > Now, I will just say some simple, very simple things...=20 > Mr Ray might disagree with others on the final "future" view but he=20 > can't disagree that ALL audio related digital systems need the=20 ANALOG=20 > part to work. That's because the human was analog "interfaced" in=20 the=20 > past, and I think still is and hope to also be in the future...=20 > And that is not a joke. The Human ears are the most=20 > sofisticated "discriminators" still made... Human can discriminate=20 > sounds coming from a direction at almost 360 degrees around him and=20 > even at diferrent elevation levels at the same time, and even with=20 a=20 > background noise that the best error correction routines can't work=20 > with... There is a quite strange autolevelling threshold procedure=20 > that man brain has, that you can hear things behind a noise floor=20 > that most digital systems will fall.=20 > Human hearing is ANALOG and it is still the standing proof that=20 > analog world is the real interface for any media that need to be=20 > easily received from humans. And said EASILY because radio=20 > (broadcasting radio is the right wording) should be possible to be=20 > received with the easiest technical method. That might be look=20=20 > strange to some people, but history shows that in the hardest=20 crisis=20 > situations radio was the basic media that anyone relied to. And=20 maybe=20 > in US you haven't ever heard of receivers that made from people=20 > without even basic electronics knowledge, from spare parts found=20 from=20 > broken radios, to be used by people accross Europe during the WWII=20 to=20 > hear the BBC service!=20 > Yes, that's the "past" I do agree with Mr Ray... But I have do my=20 > studies in history also... and I do know that history repeats it=20 > self!=20 > Hope that HD and ALL other Digital Radio systems, that in some=20 quite=20 > strange way some people trying to make us believe as "the only way=20 of=20 > future living with", be EASILY available in similar situations...=20 Or=20 > maybe nobody cares about that anymore...=20=20 >=20 > Maybe I'm wrong but the radio waves propagation is ANALOG... Or=20 isn't=20 > it? If it is, then a radio signal follows the analog rules and it=20 > doesn't propagates like 1 or 0. It's not a signal that at point 1=20 can=20 > be received but at the point 0 can't be received at all... Well I=20 > know it's not so simple but I do hope you've got the meaning. BER=20 > THRESHOLD...=20 > Lets see an example of comparing analog and digital thru-air=20 > signals...=20 > TV broadcasting! An analog TV broadcasting will be viewable=20 (because=20 > human brain can resolve most difficult patterns covered inside a=20 > noisy screen) in the case of an emergency even with a heavy noisy=20 > screen and also even if interference has occur... A DTV will freez=20 > the screen at any time that a BER increased over the CRC=20 capabilities=20 > and the receivers DSR threshold level. Until the incoming bitstream=20 > can be processed again, there is not a chance to even catch a=20 > distorted information that might be critical at the time... Your=20 > screen will stand still until the digital decoder will be capable=20 to=20 > refresh it. Check it out with a sat receiver... Yes it doesn't=20 happen=20 > so easy as described above, BUT IT IS TRUE OR NOT? >=20=20 > Last but not least. A QUESTION THAT ONCE MUST BE SERIOUSLY=20 ANSWERED:=20 > WHY WE MUST CONVERT ANYTHING TO RADIO ON DIGITAL? Is it because we=20 > found that the analog systems doesn't work reliable, after almost a=20 > century of usage of it??? Is it the same reason as the CDs were=20 > introduced, and finally prooved to be less reliable than the vinyl=20 > discs, while they were promoted back at 80's as the new=20 > INDESTRUCTIBLE, WITHOUT SCRATCHES AND OTHER OLDER PLAYBACK=20 PROBLEMS,=20 > record media that will replace all this "past" poor technology=20 media=20 > (the one that still works even with a scratch on it)? Even young=20 > people going back to vinyl lately, those young peoples that uses=20 ipod=20 > and have listen to mp3 from the day they borned... Have somebody=20 > asked them WHY?=20 > Their answer will make you do a second thought, of what and why=20 must=20 > be turned to DIGITAL just for the "future"...=20 >=20 > Radio needs programming material first. Do that better and you will=20 > all find that no digital is necessary to the future of radio...=20 >=20 > Best regards=20 > Sotiris=20 >=20 > PS: I've worked with DAB here and I'm a Chief Engineer for one the=20 > major news radio stations at Athens for more than 17 years... Radio=20 > is similar everywhere... and the above are just my oppinion. I do=20 > believe that digital technology is a must for most processing paths=20 > of radio, but I'm still not conviced that digital radio is a ONEWAY=20 > situation for the future of radio... Sorry!=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith"=20 =20 > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Tom How many is "not many over the last 85 years Tom? Jim=20 > Smith > > > > >=20 > > 1) This started with a comment in regards to radios in Chrysler=20 > > vehicles. I highly doubt that these have been in existence for=20 85=20 > > years. > >=20 > > 2) There comes a time to move on. That time has come. Live in=20 the=20 > > past if you wish. Some of us prefer to live in the present and=20 > look=20 > > toward the future....so that there IS a future. > >=20 > > Tom Ray > > WOR > > > Hi Gang Thank You Sotiris.Bad Content Digital or Analog no one's=20 going to listen . And theres a lot of that on AM radio. Jim Smith From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Aug 26 19:14:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95584 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2007 02:14:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2007 02:14:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.158) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2007 02:14:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 23091 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2007 02:14:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zENG4NIVM1llH.YfMdnLqD2pliv5QoZagQAAX1QOVJb5rb_gOUKCLydCptKz.CPjeoddensot79vffyom1anD1R0rAH0qY9on7aTJqZ6cLHFsDXgo15NbtVv8Q-- Received: from [72.241.129.52] by web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 19:14:42 PDT Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 19:14:42 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <352652.22164.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re:KBRT 740 Avalon, CA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=2E_-PKxeYDj9MjLRt1H1A6JVirvRa5hU6Nfp_QNHlX0UJsNqAQKNN0s X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I believe that they were screwing around with the KBRT towers when a spark from the workers started the 400 acre fire on Catalina Island! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 26 19:18:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87947 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2007 02:18:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2007 02:18:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.186) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2007 02:18:27 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n5.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2007 02:17:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2007 02:17:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2007 02:17:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 02:17:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001401c7e798$a914b3e0$20a4fea9@z4x8l4> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.149.223 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Here in Califonia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=8DuBrxgxQhv3pS3uqepi6ixGNTVI1VG-a9nqM9QI9blWDbSWLMKqlSKEkLZNSSRBbBX9cF_4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Tom and gang What I was talking about was here in California=20 where we have most of our AM and FM TX's are down in the valley 40 to=20 50 air wave miles between the valley and mountains. FM dose not work=20 in mountains from the valley but analog AM works very well in our=20 mountains form the valley. Most of our TX's are from the greater=20 Sacramento Ca area. Thanks Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Gang So what you are saying Tom is you have no reply to this=20 statement. Jim Smith From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Aug 26 19:26:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74479 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2007 02:26:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2007 02:26:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.241) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2007 02:26:04 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n26.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2007 02:24:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2007 02:24:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2007 02:24:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 02:24:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.241 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.2.122.165 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: Interference from AM HD, and FM Translators for AM ?!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=hZRopATvhwRjo1liYgw4CzoYSEV_YLV7uQ0_Nh7ILgYWkvw X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Sotiris, I will not get into your Analog vs digital but I think one of your points hit the nail on the head. For some reason some in this Country have it in their head that the latest technology will save or help what we have now.=20 To get to the point, I don't care how fancy, or "good" it sounds, if the content sucks, you can put all the lipstick on the pig you want, but it still will not fly. HD Radio is here. Some Broadcasters will do great, because they have great Programming. Making a bad source of Programming sound more hi-fi will not help.=20 The public now has HD Radio. It is in their hands. Let us see if they buy it.=20 Juan Ft. Pierce, FL -- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > Hi=20 > I usually do avoid to comment any HD related topics, and mostly the=20 > ones that are analog vs digital discussions going on...=20 > However I 've seen that Mr Tom Ray has a quite polarized view on what=20 > is what in life... And he must excuse me for saying that, but as I'm=20 > also an engineer, maybe I have some thing to say...=20 > First, I must clarify that, yes digital is excellent IN MOST CASES=20 > for system intergration, and maybe audio processing also... Doing=20 > projects with both digital circuitry, and analog also, both for RF=20 > and audio, for about 25 years, I think I do have somekind of a small=20 > experience in the radio broadcast world digital vs analog matter...=20 > I do live in the present and do hope to see the future also... But I=20 > can't wipe out the past so easily, as it wasn't there, and there=20 > isn't anything valuable that we have to keep from it! And my oppinion=20 > cannot be considered as a "biased" on one way or the other, as I have=20 > nothing to gain or loose...=20 >=20 > Now, I will just say some simple, very simple things...=20 > Mr Ray might disagree with others on the final "future" view but he=20 > can't disagree that ALL audio related digital systems need the ANALOG=20 > part to work. That's because the human was analog "interfaced" in the=20 > past, and I think still is and hope to also be in the future...=20 > And that is not a joke. The Human ears are the most=20 > sofisticated "discriminators" still made... Human can discriminate=20 > sounds coming from a direction at almost 360 degrees around him and=20 > even at diferrent elevation levels at the same time, and even with a=20 > background noise that the best error correction routines can't work=20 > with... There is a quite strange autolevelling threshold procedure=20 > that man brain has, that you can hear things behind a noise floor=20 > that most digital systems will fall.=20 > Human hearing is ANALOG and it is still the standing proof that=20 > analog world is the real interface for any media that need to be=20 > easily received from humans. And said EASILY because radio=20 > (broadcasting radio is the right wording) should be possible to be=20 > received with the easiest technical method. That might be look=20=20 > strange to some people, but history shows that in the hardest crisis=20 > situations radio was the basic media that anyone relied to. And maybe=20 > in US you haven't ever heard of receivers that made from people=20 > without even basic electronics knowledge, from spare parts found from=20 > broken radios, to be used by people accross Europe during the WWII to=20 > hear the BBC service!=20 > Yes, that's the "past" I do agree with Mr Ray... But I have do my=20 > studies in history also... and I do know that history repeats it=20 > self!=20 > Hope that HD and ALL other Digital Radio systems, that in some quite=20 > strange way some people trying to make us believe as "the only way of=20 > future living with", be EASILY available in similar situations... Or=20 > maybe nobody cares about that anymore...=20=20 >=20 > Maybe I'm wrong but the radio waves propagation is ANALOG... Or isn't=20 > it? If it is, then a radio signal follows the analog rules and it=20 > doesn't propagates like 1 or 0. It's not a signal that at point 1 can=20 > be received but at the point 0 can't be received at all... Well I=20 > know it's not so simple but I do hope you've got the meaning. BER=20 > THRESHOLD...=20 > Lets see an example of comparing analog and digital thru-air=20 > signals...=20 > TV broadcasting! An analog TV broadcasting will be viewable (because=20 > human brain can resolve most difficult patterns covered inside a=20 > noisy screen) in the case of an emergency even with a heavy noisy=20 > screen and also even if interference has occur... A DTV will freez=20 > the screen at any time that a BER increased over the CRC capabilities=20 > and the receivers DSR threshold level. Until the incoming bitstream=20 > can be processed again, there is not a chance to even catch a=20 > distorted information that might be critical at the time... Your=20 > screen will stand still until the digital decoder will be capable to=20 > refresh it. Check it out with a sat receiver... Yes it doesn't happen=20 > so easy as described above, BUT IT IS TRUE OR NOT? >=20=20 > Last but not least. A QUESTION THAT ONCE MUST BE SERIOUSLY ANSWERED:=20 > WHY WE MUST CONVERT ANYTHING TO RADIO ON DIGITAL? Is it because we=20 > found that the analog systems doesn't work reliable, after almost a=20 > century of usage of it??? Is it the same reason as the CDs were=20 > introduced, and finally prooved to be less reliable than the vinyl=20 > discs, while they were promoted back at 80's as the new=20 > INDESTRUCTIBLE, WITHOUT SCRATCHES AND OTHER OLDER PLAYBACK PROBLEMS,=20 > record media that will replace all this "past" poor technology media=20 > (the one that still works even with a scratch on it)? Even young=20 > people going back to vinyl lately, those young peoples that uses ipod=20 > and have listen to mp3 from the day they borned... Have somebody=20 > asked them WHY?=20 > Their answer will make you do a second thought, of what and why must=20 > be turned to DIGITAL just for the "future"...=20 >=20 > Radio needs programming material first. Do that better and you will=20 > all find that no digital is necessary to the future of radio...=20 >=20 > Best regards=20 > Sotiris=20 >=20 > PS: I've worked with DAB here and I'm a Chief Engineer for one the=20 > major news radio stations at Athens for more than 17 years... Radio=20 > is similar everywhere... and the above are just my oppinion. I do=20 > believe that digital technology is a must for most processing paths=20 > of radio, but I'm still not conviced that digital radio is a ONEWAY=20 > situation for the future of radio... Sorry!=20 >=20 From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Aug 27 07:41:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13783 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2007 14:41:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2007 14:41:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.163) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2007 14:41:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 18642 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2007 14:41:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Z5AItKAVM1kGjp7oaOvWKmvZ0PMnmlE_7qoGr5Xxk5agjWv3QyQT9hJPx2aoh6orDLBbUw7jnA-- Received: from [209.213.19.176] by web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:41:56 PDT Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:41:56 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <352652.22164.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <315151.18389.qm@web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:KBRT 740 Avalon, CA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=C7oyLYZK8obMPQSrLbgF3YzIT1Axkp-QHjeXhBdjqPI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "John P." wrote: > I believe that they were screwing around with the > KBRT towers when a > spark from the workers started the 400 acre fire on > Catalina Island! One of the tower contractors did something with a chainsaw, and you can find out by googling it. It has been exceptionally dry there, and they lost the power and telephone lines to the transmitter site, and I don't think that's been restored yet. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Aug 27 11:56:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23988 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2007 18:56:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2007 18:56:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.134) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2007 18:56:42 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2007 18:56:29 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2007 18:56:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2007 18:56:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:56:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <315151.18389.qm@web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.70.167.8 From: "narkspud" Subject: {AMSF} Re:KBRT 740 Avalon, CA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=G8TMY0XALPqAyJ-8A9OOcRuhuwbNjuPk9hdphfK190-I6uw X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud KBRT's HD returned today. Radio Disney's was out this morning, though. I = think it's a=20 conspiracy . . . .=20=20 ;-) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" = wrote: > >=20 > --- "John P." wrote: >=20 > > I believe that they were screwing around with the > > KBRT towers when a > > spark from the workers started the 400 acre fire on > > Catalina Island! >=20 >=20 > One of the tower contractors did something with a > chainsaw, and you can find out by googling it. It has > been exceptionally dry there, and they lost the power > and telephone lines to the transmitter site, and I > don't think that's been restored yet.=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Aug 28 01:46:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13686 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2007 08:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2007 08:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.216) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2007 08:46:43 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2007 08:46:39 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2007 08:46:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2007 08:46:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:46:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.103 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Interference from AM HD, and FM Translators for AM ?!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=ca4yN5iNDTDMLdCsey0BjV8Te5mPiI-ia9e88JTT8ffGsMv4nA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI GANG!!! I absolutely agree with Sotiris. Let the digital world in the edition=20 room and let the analog world on the air, that's all folks!!! And, Sotiris, there are two different theories to explain the energy=20 (light, RF, etc.) propagation. One of them can be interpreted as=20 a "digital" way (the quantum or quarcks of energy) but actually not.=20 The other theory is absolutely analog, of course. Both cases are=20 analog, absolutely analog in the AM/FM/PM TX and from the AM/FM/PM TX,=20 even when I know Harris invented a way to make the carrier and=20 modulated it all in the digital domain but... just before the final=20 amplifier it is converted into analog (I guess it's the only way to=20 make it 100% compatible with all tuners). The only kind of RF system I=20 know nearly the digital system is the old Morse code or CW that some=20 radio hams still use in all over the world (there is a carrier when we=20 need a dot or a line and there isn't a carrier when we don't need any=20 signal). Sotiris, I have a question about the C-QUAM AM Stereo chipset: It is=20 100% compatible with any kind of AM tuner (analog/digital display)?=20 What's about the AM stereo decoded signal insert point? I'm thinking=20 about those kind of tuner where the switch of audio from AM mono to FM=20 stereo is INTO the tuner central decoder chip (electronic switch, not=20 mechanical). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From darla_177@yahoo.com Tue Aug 28 17:56:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: darla_177@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46809 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2007 00:55:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2007 00:55:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.117) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2007 00:55:25 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2007 00:55:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2007 00:55:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2007 00:55:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:55:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.175.225.39 From: "darla_177" Subject: Substituting Choke Coils Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=224114712; y=xwpUjlf0fs5ydRGjOXQgKlX_jTQUGFIHpjIygtIa_vQxviMF X-Yahoo-Profile: darla_177 I am home-brewing my own active antenna for LW - MW - Sw.=20 The disign i am using calls for a choke coil between 2.5 and 4.7 mH. I was wondering if anyone knows if using the secondary=20 output of a small audio transformer - obtained at radioshack- would do=20 the job. The primary is 1000 ohm ct. and the secondary is 8 ohm. I=20=20 will only have 3 to 4 ma currrent continous flow going through ot. I'd appreciate if someone here could let me know. Thx Dave =20 From jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 28 20:59:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47021 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2007 03:59:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2007 03:59:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.104) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2007 03:59:00 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n10.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2007 03:58:57 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2007 03:58:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2007 03:58:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 03:58:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.158.214.62 From: "Jeff" Subject: Re: Substituting Choke Coils Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=236606698; y=rfH03xX10EUMZGh5Hxw3RTNwGOeQzeB7A-L1uKCSTT2ripNgXwjcnG9ndIMkKNyw_2g X-Yahoo-Profile: jeff7472000 Do you have an LCR meter to measure inductance? Even then, I can't help=20 but think this would be way too much inductance even for the lowest RF=20 frequencies. = =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "darla_177" =20 wrote: > > I am home-brewing my own active antenna for LW - MW - Sw.=20 > The disign i am using calls for a choke coil between 2.5 and > 4.7 mH. I was wondering if anyone knows if using the secondary=20 > output of a small audio transformer - obtained at radioshack- would=20 do=20 > the job. The primary is 1000 ohm ct. and the secondary is 8 ohm. I=20=20 > will only have 3 to 4 ma currrent continous flow going through ot. > I'd appreciate if someone here could let me know. >=20 > Thx Dave > From pdmtr@yahoo.com Wed Aug 29 09:38:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29473 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2007 16:38:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2007 16:38:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.163) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2007 16:38:05 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n6.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2007 16:36:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2007 16:36:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2007 16:36:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:36:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.75.66.79 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: Interference from AM HD, and FM Translators for AM ?!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=T-7Qb9mMGbYfBOB8EuWg1k6ZMVLV3JY7CrN7xeQ-Xso X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: >=20 > Sotiris, I have a question about the C-QUAM AM Stereo chipset: It is=20 > 100% compatible with any kind of AM tuner (analog/digital display)?=20 > What's about the AM stereo decoded signal insert point? I'm thinking=20 > about those kind of tuner where the switch of audio from AM mono to=20 FM=20 > stereo is INTO the tuner central decoder chip (electronic switch, not=20 > mechanical). > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love=20 Ji Huan=20 The DQUAM (that comes from "D"coding "QUAM" and has nothing to do with=20 any similar "D"s), is capable to be installed at any radio that has an=20 IF point that will provide a 450KHz signal with a good bandwidth of at=20 least 7KHz (to gain some quality on the decoded stereo output). About=20 the insert point usually that is EXACTLY after the AM IF CERAMIC FILTER=20 found at almost all tuners. Some that they don't have one (older models=20 maybe) have a tuning IF transformer at the IF chain. You can take with=20 a buffer stage a signal from the output of the transformer.=20 Also this is the way to work with the all-in-one radio ICs found on low=20 budget radios latelly. There is an IF output & input pin at them that=20 usually a 450/455KHz IF ceramic filter is connected between them. There=20 is the hot point to take the signal needed for DQUAM!=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris=20 From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 29 09:52:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82901 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2007 16:52:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2007 16:52:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.107) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2007 16:52:47 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n11.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2007 16:52:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2007 16:52:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2007 16:52:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:52:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.107 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.16.135.209 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Interference from AM HD, and FM Translators for AM ?!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=RrjvWpWY8MoIS7_QNlSYE4Pjyz1UycoSxsnk5SUtFkgilSbXrj7gYuo8Mcjtt60_AJ1J4uRf X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 > wrote: > >=20 > > Sotiris, I have a question about the C-QUAM AM Stereo chipset: It=20 is=20 > > 100% compatible with any kind of AM tuner (analog/digital=20 display)?=20 > > What's about the AM stereo decoded signal insert point? I'm=20 thinking=20 > > about those kind of tuner where the switch of audio from AM mono=20 to=20 > FM=20 > > stereo is INTO the tuner central decoder chip (electronic switch,=20 not=20 > > mechanical). > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love=20 >=20 > Ji Huan=20 > The DQUAM (that comes from "D"coding "QUAM" and has nothing to do=20 with=20 > any similar "D"s), is capable to be installed at any radio that has=20 an=20 > IF point that will provide a 450KHz signal with a good bandwidth of=20 at=20 > least 7KHz (to gain some quality on the decoded stereo output).=20 About=20 > the insert point usually that is EXACTLY after the AM IF CERAMIC=20 FILTER=20 > found at almost all tuners. Some that they don't have one (older=20 models=20 > maybe) have a tuning IF transformer at the IF chain. You can take=20 with=20 > a buffer stage a signal from the output of the transformer.=20 > Also this is the way to work with the all-in-one radio ICs found on=20 low=20 > budget radios latelly. There is an IF output & input pin at them=20 that=20 > usually a 450/455KHz IF ceramic filter is connected between them.=20 There=20 > is the hot point to take the signal needed for DQUAM!=20 > Best regards=20 > Sotiris > Hi Sotitris Very neet and interesting stuff. I wanted to say GOD=20 BLESS you and your country with those wild fires . I have seen brush=20 and grass fires and thay are very scary. Jim Smith From pdmtr@yahoo.com Wed Aug 29 14:46:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24583 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2007 19:48:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2007 19:48:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11e.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.71) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2007 19:48:54 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2007 19:47:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2007 19:47:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:47:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.75.66.79 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: Interference from AM HD, and FM Translators for AM ?!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=ActLkvRhq00gUePHRCYaibr23qGmp1334_Otyw-DKWA X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" =20 wrote: > Hi Sotitris Very neet and interesting stuff. I wanted to say GOD=20 > BLESS you and your country with those wild fires . I have seen brush=20 > and grass fires and thay are very scary. Jim Smith > Hi Jim=20 Thank you... It is the biggest disaster in Greece since WWII and that=20 means all that happened in the 3 years of the occupation period for=20 Greece (1941-1944). Now it has been only 6 days since the first fires,=20 and almost the 1/5 of Greece is still burning! We had smoked sky above=20 Athens for 2 days and we re about 200km away from the closest fire=20 point... Haven't seen that again in my lifetime... :(=20 Hope God bless all people that need help, anywhere...=20 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Aug 29 15:28:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83570 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2007 20:30:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2007 20:30:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2007 20:30:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 66001 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Aug 2007 20:30:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: bXc0C5MVM1kHdhVKVjcBhqO2PY6D0OzK0gzdTcSLtem.h5EXMHKTUdaCZfnNgj9MUfbT2wYsweV6.JNYyG8KwkIV8BjGDPXyAgnQFTUsyA7YWfvT6ZYk.yd_BQ-- Received: from [72.241.129.52] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:30:41 PDT Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:30:41 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <440024.65950.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re:Substituting Choke Coils Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=lCZf9FlJb7xfLw2biB9Zmao-jnmZlcEuYl9nWKwGaIA409rwGiibfh4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Your best bet would be to buy these parts from Mouser Electronics. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Aug 31 00:08:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46617 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2007 07:08:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2007 07:08:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.113) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2007 07:08:27 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2007 07:08:19 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2007 07:08:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2007 07:08:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:08:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.98 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Interference from AM HD, and FM Translators for AM ?!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=iMpx7KzvAR2FezFGeH3hjxh3DmQlbzf8PJ-8pL3v7ZgMeyIEfw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > Ji Huan=20 > The DQUAM (that comes from "D"coding "QUAM" and has nothing to do=20 with=20 > any similar "D"s), is capable to be installed at any radio that=20 has an=20 > IF point that will provide a 450KHz signal with a good bandwidth=20 of at=20 > least 7KHz (to gain some quality on the decoded stereo output).=20 About=20 > the insert point usually that is EXACTLY after the AM IF CERAMIC=20 FILTER=20 > found at almost all tuners. Some that they don't have one (older=20 models=20 > maybe) have a tuning IF transformer at the IF chain. You can take=20 with=20 > a buffer stage a signal from the output of the transformer.=20 > Also this is the way to work with the all-in-one radio ICs found=20 on low=20 > budget radios latelly. There is an IF output & input pin at them=20 that=20 > usually a 450/455KHz IF ceramic filter is connected between them.=20 There=20 > is the hot point to take the signal needed for DQUAM!=20 > Best regards=20 > Sotiris > Thank you so much for your notes, Sotiris!!! I only have a question (due to my real and great ignorance about the=20 tuners): What's happen if the IF filter is so narrow? Can we "by- pass" that filter? or We must to change it? I'm really interesting in your decoding chipset because it's an easy=20 way to try to convince the people to change to AM Stereo here, in my=20 country, where nobody knows it. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Aug 31 12:34:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73776 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2007 19:32:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2007 19:32:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.164) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2007 19:32:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 83235 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Aug 2007 19:31:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BGxLgXEVM1mhR3NepEwPo1zLMX3bJ1b5BH1zZdI2CGudYpKyoPbUR_.ZDfhbmquvCg-- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:31:53 PDT Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:31:53 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <928377.83041.qm@web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: Interference from AM HD, and FM Translators for AM ?!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=WhnMxrTP-TGN0xVxdD6mFpkHLVGj6CYoNfwbZYV4Xyhi83ZAZv1kqjY X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Juan, in some cases, if the rest of the tuner section is fairly wide and only the I.F. filter is narrow, you can install a wider I.F. filter, which I have done with success on older equipment, taking the bandwidth out to 7.5KHz. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting From darla_177@yahoo.com Sat Sep 01 00:30:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: darla_177@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24994 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2007 07:30:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2007 07:30:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.130) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2007 07:30:46 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2007 07:30:38 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2007 07:30:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2007 07:30:38 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 07:30:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <440024.65950.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.175.225.39 From: "darla_177" Subject: Re:Substituting Choke Coils Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=224114712; y=laBAHjFs5zLvoIPEgBCuwE3N7jjibBbxWPlLQi9gK4c2gWL0 X-Yahoo-Profile: darla_177 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > Your best bet would be to buy these parts from Mouser Electronics. ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who=20 knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=3Dlist&sid=3D396545469 > Thanks guys-- No i dont have an LCR meter-- but i ended up finding some=20 on ebay from a co. Inductor Supply Inc. The part number is #LRI-2700-10% which is ideal because i am aimming at makikg this antenna quite small.=20 And Jeff-- you are correct-- according to a hobby tech site on the=20 internet i read that the primary side of these transformers are approx=20 330 mh -- again thanks though.....=20 From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 03 11:07:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81741 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2007 18:07:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2007 18:07:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.225) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2007 18:07:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 40442 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Sep 2007 18:07:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: hearmI0VM1lT6DeFBwPyHsz6_H1pqQQ1lDa9R6LquToDZsyqAxVSpIhJphoZWoFydHM3KuN_.j8GyCecuGP7UPNX6LRL2IReyGq35Zsh2Rau9QlBVOp80ESVwzJ2UA-- Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Sep 2007 11:07:51 PDT Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 11:07:51 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <359091.38903.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: AMS standard cars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=xfqXqHPKECAYstUknovma9VXmlbisT_VZvkeglVd4kam5IpfXlBx X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio It looks like after 8½ years my Neon is on its way out. I know some Fords come with AMS standard. What are the models & what other models come with AMS standard? 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Sep 03 11:27:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61281 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2007 18:27:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2007 18:27:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.158) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2007 18:27:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 36083 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Sep 2007 18:27:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: eXSeB2YVM1nSTB5wZuDI_k7.nKBKg8R4UGKXwfAqj9ynbEooLh0MiFVJOyjIiKjBEjKBd0ZRKQ-- Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Sep 2007 11:27:10 PDT Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 11:27:10 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <359091.38903.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <879504.36080.qm@web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS standard cars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=FUxzwVkTBnrj-om5Ufz1H-YcFq53Ba0Dw7r9xRMd-Yk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- JNR wrote: > It looks like after 8½ years my Neon is on its > way out. I know some Fords come with AMS > standard. What are the models & what other > models come with AMS standard? Not a lot of new stuff does. I discovered my 2000 Taurus wagon with a deluxe sound system does. Some of THE very high end Ford radios did. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Sep 03 23:07:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88062 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2007 06:06:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2007 06:06:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.218) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2007 06:06:57 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2007 06:06:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2007 06:06:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 06:06:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <879504.36080.qm@web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.218 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.12.239 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS standard cars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=Zjnj8P27b2Np78R5ZA761zWA0H-TQr20wruTSP3NhjXZkPc3 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > >=20 > --- JNR wrote: >=20 > > It looks like after 8=BD years my Neon is on its > > way out. I know some Fords come with AMS > > standard. What are the models & what other > > models come with AMS standard? >=20 > Not a lot of new stuff does. I discovered my 2000 > Taurus wagon with a deluxe sound system does. Some of > THE very high end Ford radios did.=20 ...Such as the Lincoln Town Car my mum & I rented a few years ago when we needed to go down to the SF Bay Area. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Sep 04 05:50:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56969 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2007 12:49:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2007 12:49:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.163) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2007 12:49:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 63792 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Sep 2007 12:49:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 49bS0OkVM1mbNmuSLyMzJePq39RWjtASVaL1gzF8my9fjomlhlQoM_Si6pMxQ1600oLjEn8d1iauCD3ZgaMOcAxbpPoTUjzC_JvRlDIEDoHoE5.AMhexD8zVhg-- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 05:49:23 PDT Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 05:49:23 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <314618.63563.qm@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re:AMS standard cars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=N4_Ez5Sp-Re6MTbm7d6G35yV8qlmBobVf-8pfc5SlQEOe2c1zxkZ3cc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Well, I would remove the AMS radio from your Neon for starters, and put a junker radio in its place. Probably the best bet would be to take an Alfredo Lite to the car dealer some lazy Saturday afternoon, and give them a whirl. In the 'old days' (1999) you could have them swap their good AMS radio from a different car into the one that you're buying for an extra fee, but a lot of radios now (from GM in particular) are intertwined into the car's computer system to the point where you can't swap them out anymore. This is where the MetroSound, or one of the add-on HD radios might come in handy for AMS. I believe Tom told us that the Ford MACH series radios have AM stereo. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Sep 04 14:50:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47201 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2007 21:50:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2007 21:50:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2007 21:50:09 -0000 Received: from [64.131.21.8] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.1.0) with SMTP id <20070904164647100307000003> for ; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:46:47 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00e901c7ef3e$2c9dd320$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <314618.63563.qm@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:46:47 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:AMS standard cars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=J6AMrF4E8dBk0Czf2zbokHDUfSqy3WfROBSCMKwrd1DRrAWoQLlZ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That they do, or at least did. Not sure if that's still the case though if they're still offering the CD-6 radio, get a vehicle with one of those.. Note- you can't get a Mach series radio in many models, though one can be retrofitted with a lot of time, persistence, and $$$! I know- I did it with my Escort wagon. YMMV. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. I believe Tom told us that the Ford MACH series radios have AM stereo. __________________________________________________________ Visit Your Group Best of Y! Groups Check it out and nominate your group to be featured. Beauty Groups on Yahoo! Groups A great place to connect and share. Biz Resources Y! Small Business Articles, tools, forms, and more. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Sep 04 14:51:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2526 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2007 21:50:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2007 21:50:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2007 21:50:51 -0000 Received: from [64.131.21.8] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.1.0) with SMTP id <20070904165030101035700003> for ; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:50:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <013301c7ef3e$b16efc00$d503fea9@stodd> To: Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:50:30 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: some good news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=6O1J5KmBwl_VOBso0SiGfZpNYzf5uaQJy3SyCKkUIvlPiH36OV3d X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Got up north again this past Labor Day weekend and found that the new owners of KKIN have NOT killed the stereo. In fact, it's the first time in a few years they've actually started mentioning stereo. Usually it was near the bottom of the hour when you'd hear "KKIN, 930 stereo." Still playing the Music of Your Life format. Scott Todd --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Sep 05 06:56:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92978 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2007 13:56:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2007 13:56:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.162) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2007 13:56:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 80511 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Sep 2007 13:56:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _DNKz24VM1mKiRptgd0_KflnWx.CuV11fKkaUSbrs6keMRRIZsEftQ46nreTj6JSKBjO5PDzyK2OtzWXGYtOFpRAEUqa4JpaFyaneCroB5_LAl_G9C8vaKNblA-- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Sep 2007 06:56:01 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 06:56:01 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <61645.80294.qm@web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re:some good news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=mlxiiZ4XfY0MnqppG_UGwGh1HQHpeSRMqEyIDb1xmB564vnKvKhoyvI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio "...you'd hear "KKIN, 930 stereo..." We should start making a list of which of the HD radios decode CQuam decently, and let our friends at the CQuam stations know about a new source for AM Stereo radios - HD radios! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ From pdmtr@yahoo.com Wed Sep 05 08:09:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39889 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2007 15:09:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2007 15:09:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.246) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2007 15:09:24 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2007 15:06:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2007 15:06:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 15:06:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.203.218.51 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Recording of Magic 693 Melbourne in AM STEREO on YouTube! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=zoBfQ8K8cQfIP0kWbyCnzENk3nLnhsNWTNOtwqDTxPc X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Worths to see it! :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DtDnPEFkiGQY=20 From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Sep 05 08:53:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9663 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2007 15:53:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2007 15:53:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.250) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2007 15:53:45 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n29.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2007 15:52:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2007 15:52:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2007 15:52:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 15:52:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.70.167.8 From: "narkspud" Subject: Re: Recording of Magic 693 Melbourne in AM STEREO on YouTube! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=fpIEDD81iBYsJvgl-4IgIOfykjYVVfwn0GtASI9PDoDTTHs X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > Worths to see it! :) >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DtDnPEFkiGQY > (1) YouTube audio is mono (2) YouTube audio is heavily compressed, which means that at best the sampl= e is going to=20 sound like bad HD (3) This sample is recorded from a microphone What's the point? From pdmtr@yahoo.com Wed Sep 05 14:00:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72668 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2007 21:00:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2007 21:00:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2007 21:00:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2007 20:59:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2007 20:59:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:59:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.74.126.199 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: Recording of Magic 693 Melbourne in AM STEREO on YouTube! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=L4YIOxj0cmbLetPJ2avhy_b_EWZfrcunQpE7XZvZU-I X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > > > Worths to see it! :) > >=20 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DtDnPEFkiGQY > > >=20 > (1) YouTube audio is mono > (2) YouTube audio is heavily compressed, which means that at best=20 the sample is going to=20 > sound like bad HD > (3) This sample is recorded from a microphone >=20 > What's the point? > Exactly that's the point! And as anybody can hear from this youtube=20=20 video that it still sounds excellent. And is AM analog stereo...=20 Also, the youtube isn't mono by default... I have seen videos with=20 full stereo image. Don't know how but some guys have done it...=20 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Sep 06 05:15:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54587 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2007 12:15:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2007 12:15:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2007 12:15:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 13786 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Sep 2007 12:15:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: KXxn5Q8VM1l3ygpuPHMBzx6EEeNv3ck8DquIInsKV8UEoC1nWKAUEVVvRZz3LS7xBg-- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 05:15:18 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 05:15:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <585728.13405.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: CB Antenna re-used for AM BCB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=BadyDQDWKyFiCOg6paQEZAFlh7lWIM4d912uOafIL3WaAQelbG4a31g X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hi, Someone onboard here (Chris Cuff?) indicated that they were using a vertical CB antenna for AM/MW BCB. Is anyone using one, and can they tell what they are doing? Did they mount their Part15 xmitter half-way up the antenna and bury ground radials? I know that I'd have to use my amateur radio antenna tuner with it, but any other suggestions? John ____________________________________________________________________________________ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Sep 06 05:20:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44226 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2007 12:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2007 12:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.158) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2007 12:12:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 92618 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Sep 2007 12:12:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: nT9yFKoVM1nVS3LmsTkw6BS9mw6fK7jZJFErm6BjtdgOXqTMwURzQhn1Pgn3wUgEZKvGramoM9M3huCjjN_7AppT9DHBU4xL3LcWCFrJFh8rNaaYF9kqyiYtTg-- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 05:12:18 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 05:12:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <505247.92230.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: Recording of Magic 693 Melbourne in AM STEREO on YouTube! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=Iy_yWrHyKORaBOFVc9Z50Eqt8YuuEp8-3zfZfAVlmoEAFH0_WCs3JXs X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Good question - how can you force the audio in YouTube to be in stereo? I would like to post in stereo if somebody can let me know how. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 06 19:48:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9367 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2007 02:48:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2007 02:48:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp123.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.96) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2007 02:48:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 34482 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2007 02:48:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO z4x8l4) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.41.74.183 with login) by smtp123.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2007 02:48:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: CKJJVfgVM1kH6VPVu0rphalzFgluC2oMhIqvFEQOQaRjKjGp9jZnmbVEjJWKhzlo7xi2tNVpKw-- Message-ID: <001d01c7f0f9$cb09f9a0$20a4fea9@z4x8l4> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "Jim Smith" Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:50:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.96 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: CB Antenna on P15 AM TX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=niGYxHI3y4WntZxnrLyhd2dzgItvMKVDJlxwPhu-8tykieJfJZ47jSQDFvWWVwRxtARM9pY2 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Yes I did use a CB antenna for one of Chris's TX's. It worked ok but the TX was one of the earlier one's with the lower power and I had the TX in side the house . It worked ok I could hear it about a 1/4 mile for my house fairly strong and the other 1/4 was pretty bad . Oh yes the antenna was from the 70's 1/2 wave CB it had its ground plane at the bottom of the antenna. If I had to do it over again I would put the TX in side of a peace of 6 in. pvc well pipe and get a 6 in pcv cap and then mount the antenna on the cap and mount the hole thing on the steel pipe where the cb antenna is now. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith@vfr.net Thu Sep 06 20:54:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18570 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2007 03:54:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2007 03:54:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.31) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2007 03:54:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2007 03:53:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2007 03:53:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 03:53:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001d01c7f0f9$cb09f9a0$20a4fea9@z4x8l4> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.217.88 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: CB Antenna on P15 AM TX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=WLrI_M1A15u6At4nCRrJ_SF3lAnT3uREA0YrX4RzTDSjQw4i-_SPDA X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang Yes I did use a CB antenna for one of Chris's TX's. It worked=20 ok but the TX was one of the earlier one's with the lower power and I=20 had the TX in side the house . It worked ok I could hear it about a 1/4=20 mile for my house fairly strong and the other 1/4 was pretty bad . Oh=20 yes the antenna was from the 70's 1/2 wave CB it had its ground plane=20 at the bottom of the antenna. If I had to do it over again I would put=20 the TX in side of a peace of 6 in. pvc well pipe and get a 6 in pcv cap=20 and then mount the antenna on the cap and mount the hole thing on the=20 steel pipe where the cb antenna is now. Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Gang Just replace the 1/4 with 1/8. In all the sinal was about a=20 1/4 mile. Jim S From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Sep 07 10:47:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14797 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2007 17:46:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2007 17:46:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s33.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.105) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2007 17:46:03 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.229.76]) by bay0-omc1-s33.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 10:45:32 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 10:45:32 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.12 by BAY110-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:45:27 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereo@bellsouth.net, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:45:28 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2007 17:45:32.0366 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3349EE0:01C7F176] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.105 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: XM channel 6 does the Motor Cities' CKLW 800 this week X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=JsMUZb8u4ONgdo74Rp0UMpmH6jg30M2YA_2EUkSkdgJaIaRE3pqUYhHtX6E X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The 60's 4-9 PM Eastern Friday, September 7, 2007 Sonic Sound Salutes CKLW in Detroit / Windsor Sonic Sound Salutes continue as we re-create great '60s radio stations across America. Terry " Motormouth" Young transforms the '60s - XM 6 into these great stations every Friday with their original jingles, DJs, and local happenings. This week we'll feature CKLW in Detroit / Windsor. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Sep 08 07:30:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21182 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2007 14:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2007 14:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.152) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2007 14:30:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 92935 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Sep 2007 14:28:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ar_rzv8VM1kHZlf4WLbmJL7XGfuJlD4LN7GN9O1tLz6K40UQQYsmyWi15vh_JKfe6ryi61Bdit9E7DvWCHAmGzbHSW9QBmOjSvHeeMRt1ffMHL9t4PTwHz6S9Q-- Received: from [72.241.129.52] by web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 07:28:40 PDT Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 07:28:40 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" In-Reply-To: <1189244716.2531.86310.m38@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <32120.92918.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: CKLW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=UnklzJunZgpKCR8xvymkarm4CIJpgsjTOc134y5fBgKbKJfvJh6tEhU X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Donn wrote: "XM channel 6 does the Motor Cities' CKLW 800 this week." This is very relavent as CKLW had serial number one of the Harris AM Stereo hardware handwired and tested at The BIG 8 according to a former Harris employee. CKLW-AM had some terrific stereo audio here in Ohio with their Harris system. I always thought that they had THE best AM stereo audio of any that I've heard. John ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Sep 08 09:00:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61578 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2007 16:00:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2007 16:00:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2007 16:00:51 -0000 Received: from [64.131.24.23] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.1.0) with SMTP id <20070908105849100434700004> for ; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 10:58:49 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002701c7f232$3fbbb020$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <61645.80294.qm@web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 10:58:49 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:some good news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=-OouABG8b9vmiPXzP7k9PLvcD61GMH5hAGEKajL9ZOpBIrZ8Wckx X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If anyone's been paying attention to the trade magazines, there have been a few passing mentions that a number of HD radios still decode CQUAM. Unfortunately I don't think they do it to full NRSC specs. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. "...you'd hear "KKIN, 930 stereo..." We should start making a list of which of the HD radios decode CQuam decently, and let our friends at the CQuam stations know about a new source for AM Stereo radios - HD radios! Visit Your Group Sell Online Start selling with our award-winning e-commerce tools. Shedding Pounds on Yahoo! Groups Read sucess stories & share your own. Yoga Groups Exchange insights with members of the yoga community. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From starship_2001@msn.com Sat Sep 08 09:11:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71187 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2007 16:11:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2007 16:11:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s8.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.80) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2007 16:11:00 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.136.11]) by bay0-omc1-s8.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 8 Sep 2007 09:09:25 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 09:09:25 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.4 by BAY131-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 16:09:20 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 16:09:20 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2007 16:09:25.0237 (UTC) FILETIME=[A0245250:01C7F232] Return-Path: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.80 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:some good news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=_WD4tLN1TJm6Z7SCOK_U_XzqWh5D0GwsYzwlgqE88KuprE2srKn6z8GzRg X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 NO i think its 5khz. Unfornatly i have no AM analog stereo station to test it on. -----Original Message----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2007 11:58 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:some good news If anyone's been paying attention to the trade magazines, there have been a few passing mentions that a number of HD radios still decode CQUAM. Unfortunately I don't think they do it to full NRSC specs. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. "...you'd hear "KKIN, 930 stereo..." We should start making a list of which of the HD radios decode CQuam decently, and let our friends at the CQuam stations know about a new source for AM Stereo radios - HD radios! Visit Your Group Sell Online Start selling with our award-winning e-commerce tools. Shedding Pounds on Yahoo! Groups Read sucess stories & share your own. Yoga Groups Exchange insights with members of the yoga community. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Sep 08 09:20:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59568 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2007 16:20:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2007 16:20:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2007 16:20:11 -0000 Received: from [64.131.24.23] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.1.0) with SMTP id <20070908111357101831300003> for ; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 11:13:57 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00ee01c7f234$5d393580$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <505247.92230.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 11:13:57 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Recording of Magic 693 Melbourne in AM STEREO on YouTube! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=BTzJYxvZo6yYrrU4Fbj8TaHOeHCbJvODPEyD4TWVTkknN2Gv3ybf X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IIRC the spoof "If We Had Some Global Warming" (take-off of If I Had a Million Dollars) was stereo. Put M4GW in the search box to hear it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 7:20 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Recording of Magic 693 Melbourne in AM STEREO on YouTube! Good question - how can you force the audio in YouTube to be in stereo? I would like to post in stereo if somebody can let me know how. Visit Your Group Biz Resources Y! Small Business Articles, tools, forms, and more. Moderator Central Get answers to your questions about running Y! Groups. Yahoo! Groups Join a yoga group and take the stress out of your life. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Sep 08 23:36:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25429 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2007 06:36:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2007 06:36:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.214) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2007 06:36:49 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n33.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2007 06:36:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2007 06:36:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2007 06:36:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 06:36:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.28 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re:some good news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=wIL1wS0AyV1iN-tIX7uUPFnxsS3YzxVuC03QroxjrTyrem1wzQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Norbert 26"=20 wrote: > > NO i think its 5khz. Unfornatly i have no AM analog stereo station=20 to test it on.=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: scottn0bst@... > Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2007 11:58 AM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:some good news >=20 > If anyone's been paying attention to the trade magazines, there=20 have been a few passing mentions that a number of HD radios still=20 decode CQUAM. Unfortunately I don't think they do it to full NRSC=20 specs. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 It's another thing we have to thank to the stupid FCC decision about=20 AM Stereo. If the international standard AM Stereo was the ISB (Independent=20 SideBands) AM Stereo (Kahn, in other words), we could have a full=20 analog AM Stereo (the two independent sidebands) and, at the same=20 time, a decent digital signal (with some kind of FSK on the phase=20 modulation system arena, I guess) today, without to have to reduce=20 the analog part band, neither the transmission and/or reception part. Of course, the history was different. LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AM!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Sep 09 00:37:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mjgrant@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98739 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2007 07:36:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2007 07:36:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.113) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2007 07:36:59 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2007 07:36:31 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2007 07:36:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2007 07:36:31 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 07:36:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.12.117.131 From: "grant_at_hardscrapple" Subject: {AMSF} Re:some good news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=-BLFnL6D_n4Qb9S475xfS5jTUz4lit-HmiwjZkcueEGMEj92ZqyWJCmBZ4rAvOQ8 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Norbert 26" =20 wrote: > > NO i think its 5khz. Unfornatly i have no AM analog stereo station to=20 test it on.=20 >=20 WLS on 890 khz in Chicago and Canadian CKLW on 800 out of Windsor are=20 50kW clear channel stations with massive nightime coverage throughout=20 the central United States and Canada during the nightime hours. Both=20 broadcast in AM Stereo. You might try dialing in one of them. There are also a number of smaller stations between 1610 and 1700 which=20 by regulation MUST broadcast in AM Stereo. They're not very powerful,=20 but their frequencies don't have alot of clutter. Mike From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Sep 09 07:18:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56223 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2007 14:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2007 14:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.158) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2007 14:17:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 61815 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Sep 2007 14:16:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BjN.3tQVM1kZWd.j5pe3bMP_eHU1B0E1_QU0ioeyhRnHS8l.9TPFQnmvC.YyecBvTw-- Received: from [209.213.19.34] by web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Sep 2007 07:16:42 PDT Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 07:16:42 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <711874.58415.qm@web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:some good news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=2JjAPjIfYhyYHHU6WR4CN6DvF385hrthSEE4znlBuPw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- grant_at_hardscrapple wrote: > There are also a number of smaller stations between > 1610 and 1700 which > by regulation MUST broadcast in AM Stereo. They're > not very powerful, but their frequencies don't have >alot of clutter. > > Mike There is NO requirement for AM stereo in the expanded band. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Sep 09 08:00:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23123 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2007 15:00:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2007 15:00:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s32.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.168) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2007 15:00:40 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.229.78]) by bay0-omc2-s32.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 9 Sep 2007 08:00:30 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 08:00:30 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.15 by BAY110-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 09 Sep 2007 15:00:26 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 15:00:27 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Sep 2007 15:00:30.0326 (UTC) FILETIME=[29F4B960:01C7F2F2] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:some good news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=sqeaPcn9vdSpEDeDNi90DF8f8NHHBRKoeHaHXomzQ3XlzIAqs5WKGjf2z2I X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where the confusion on this comes in, is that the FCC supposedly in selecting license holders for the extended band gave extra consideration (or points?) to potential license holders who indicated they would consider broadcasting in C-quam stereo. There was nothing binding about this from what I understand; some stations took this seriously others couldn't be bothered with going the C-quam route. -----Original Message----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2007 10:16 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:some good news --- grant_at_hardscrapple wrote: > There are also a number of smaller stations between > 1610 and 1700 which > by regulation MUST broadcast in AM Stereo. They're > not very powerful, but their frequencies don't have >alot of clutter. > > Mike There is NO requirement for AM stereo in the expanded band. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Sep 09 11:39:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73631 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2007 18:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2007 18:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2007 18:39:28 -0000 Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id r.cd3.1abe5171 (42809) for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 14:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 14:36:23 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:some good news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=xxMQAfm_TdtNuNY5j-qjU54UZ9NYshz11IvrcP11eC4eSM_l7gUKRmnLlv9ko4x5 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please refer to: http://users.hfx.eastlink.ca/~amstereo/eboffenders.htm It has a good discussion of the issue. I didn't mean to stir up a hornet's nest. Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Sep 09 13:20:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22186 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2007 20:20:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2007 20:20:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2007 20:20:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 60816 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Sep 2007 20:20:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: w6V_B.gVM1lXfEM4q.rFZXW7_K2BauzN6X.rfFIVPp9Wnh9s81XJwq9DzPUkR72S3zjLXxzz1zH32yJETD_WZKy0.kXk9MO289ThnVc3E4PYF86kWVs- Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Sep 2007 13:20:38 PDT Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 13:20:38 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <895772.59811.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:some good news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=hrBwe1bMoT4QDclH15gt-2Eh-GignRKll08aRESYyuM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Please refer to: > > http://users.hfx.eastlink.ca/~amstereo/eboffenders.htm > > It has a good discussion of the issue. I didn't > mean to stir up a hornet's nest. > Mike That's old and outdated. It's too bad. And the FCC's wording was "a preference" to those running AM stereo. It's too bad that NEW radios CAN'T have sync detectors instead of diode detectors. That would solve a lot of problems, but we know that won't ever happen. Heaven forbid a DECENT AM section be made....and that includes the IBOC receivers. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From bob_welch550@yahoo.com Sun Sep 09 18:12:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: bob_welch550@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94569 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2007 01:12:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2007 01:12:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2007 01:12:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2007 01:11:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2007 01:11:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 01:11:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.19.95.58 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re:From ABDX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213592090; y=-iaPIlxtfYzTARMlAfhCmRlaaQMmCyi5nRKMLfRwdZZRAUrb0q-X X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner =20 > wrote: > > > > If analog were turned off, HD would work much better. >=20 > ... (snip) ... >=20 > Really? Can you proof it? If you have a 1 KW final power AM TX,=20 with=20 > ONLY the "new" HD digital signal, CAN YOU GET THE SAME COVERAGE=20 AREA=20 > WICH IS COVER BY AN ANALOG AUDIO TX, ANY TIME, ANY SEASON, ANY=20 KIND=20 > OF TOWN, MOUNTAINS, VALLEYS, ETC. ETC.? >=20 > > We "need" the fallback only for analog-only radios. >=20=20 > Mmm, when the FM Stereo was born somebody said something like=20 > this: "we need the sum (mono) channel to the compatibility with=20 the=20 > FM mono tuners." But, in that past, and even today, the FM mono=20 > sounds exactly the same that the FM stereo (the only difference is=20 > the obvious 2 stereo audio channels against 1 mono audio channel)=20 > and nobody said something against the mono technology. >=20 > The problem, today, with the HD technology is that there are a lot=20 > of people who wants to kill something (the AM analog audio) with a=20 > non fair-play game (if the analog part of the hybrid HD system had=20 > the same quality of a full C-QUAM AM Stereo, I think it would be=20 > more fair). >=20 > In other words: I'm not against the progress; I only want a fair- > play: IF YOU WANT TO PROMOTE (or if you are contracted by a=20 > manufacturer to promote) SOMETHING, PROMOTE A THING THAT REALLY=20 WAS=20 > A "NEW" AND "GOOD" THING, PROMOTE A THING THAT WORKS. >=20 > What will be pass when the people (general public) buy an HD tuner=20 > and they discover all the "little fails" of the "new" system, the=20 > afils of their "new" investment? Who will be the idiot? THE AM=20 > BROADCASTERS!!! >=20 > Is it a fair help to the AM band? >=20 > I insist the engineers must to work so hard to create, really=20 > create, a system to put digital audio in the AM band. For the=20 > moment, IBOC HD (Ibiquity) and DRM don't have demostrate a good=20 > future IN AM!!! Let them to the FM, UHF, etc. I think in FM is=20 more=20 > easy to get it. For the moment, leave the AM with the analog=20 audio,=20 > please!!! >=20 > Just as a question: Who decides who is INTO the FCC? Engineers?=20 > Manufacturers? Broadcasters? The general people (democratic=20 > election)? or The today government? Who decides who gets into the FCC?... The man or woman with the=20 largest bank account. Essentially.=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Sep 09 23:54:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20061 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2007 06:54:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2007 06:54:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.186) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2007 06:54:12 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n5.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2007 06:53:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2007 06:53:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2007 06:53:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 06:53:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <711874.58415.qm@web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.11.121 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re:some good news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=6h0AdNrNCgPtWbTuMKjNQcbAVa8uijUIdzO6EXmqLUYThSbV X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > >=20 > --- grant_at_hardscrapple wrote: >=20 >=20 > > There are also a number of smaller stations between > > 1610 and 1700 which=20 > > by regulation MUST broadcast in AM Stereo. They're > > not very powerful, but their frequencies don't have > >alot of clutter. > There is NO requirement for AM stereo in the expanded > band. It's a preference for license consideration, not a requirement. Even then, less then half have the C-QUAM on, even if just pilot only. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 10 06:01:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65900 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2007 13:01:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2007 13:01:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2007 13:01:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 87674 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Sep 2007 13:01:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Lvqm6oYVM1mE_iCQjFB8liqUr4yqFeXMr2OicQxP5rAYV1aUItCEl3EMxKtwM2qas.TjmsXkqbnTBZVLBTygoE.HuSjFzaRS7efrdK6G76L2VaE- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 06:01:40 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 06:01:40 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <819652.87659.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: some good news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=rAmmQeWxljYSbo-xuaP1HqtC5CzHsElToFL-PfYVxgotfzQVgwJclUI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio PEW III wrote: "...It's too bad that NEW radios CAN'T have sync detectors instead of diode detectors..." Powell, I think that the new Sangean component HD tuner does actually have synchro detection (and that might actually be part of its problem) with some issues? JP ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 10 06:16:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33899 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2007 13:16:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2007 13:16:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2007 13:16:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 49288 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Sep 2007 13:05:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: gX8HyokVM1nYfbdxIa3Y23_Nywu4Ly8clXT8P6Fh6D3KY.O_1ehLz3RA.HsjH95FtkZdFwxvhWRir.7UmZOpwnQvdX7zg3o0CVc6c57n9DnF5.8- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 06:05:58 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 06:05:58 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <766804.48119.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: HD Radio for Sale Locally X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=FG038yfvjW9S1ZpfSEIZC9ZYKdAlbonVeTb2rlmZhXhV_DirQT4vg40 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I saw in the Sunday ad for ABC Warehouse (Michigan/Northern Ohio area) that they have cut the price in half for the Directed Electronics car add-on HD tuner adapter, so now it's only $99.99 WITH installation. That solves 2 out of 3 problems for my same HD radio - only half as much and they get the installation headaches, but it still has a horrible AGC/NR scheme that lowers the volume of any station with any noise on it or 1st adjacent to a very low level. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Sep 13 11:18:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62270 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2007 18:18:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2007 18:18:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.226) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2007 18:18:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 27060 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Sep 2007 18:17:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: M8Tu8sMVM1nbtEdTf1uxZLMKzv2XSMQIVOZTdS.RATfLy7tVsBTWCz49WQ2rXOrtG8nWZQ0zMgDncs.Cna58Ympu3GoYTvKf4Co3TGjra3tcFsODqrzN9QhnwdvP83_xAzqo6InZJzanViXVX9_ihEINxg-- Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:17:55 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:17:55 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <705677.26915.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: WOR DX Thingy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=xsCyp_Gz-obtO45Xr_5Os6gs2Dw1VEOeSJuYdac-bIz37ymeDkfd X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Over on the ABDX list there was an announcement about WOR having an extended H.D. DX period & you can get QSLs if you're outside of the N.Y.C. metro. There's some specific e-mail to send it to so there's something to do this final night of exclusively analog nighttime broadcasting. I think I'm gonna try to get CHML/900 Stereo one last time before WHJJ is buzzing all day & night. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz From narkspud@hotmail.com Thu Sep 13 15:00:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46225 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2007 22:00:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2007 22:00:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.115) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2007 22:00:43 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2007 21:59:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2007 21:59:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2007 21:59:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:59:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.115 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.70.167.8 From: "narkspud" Subject: Apocalypse Now X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=FplLOAKybQ0k9CmRHqd20QOJQtet9eyMhshD51OE1DfuNHw X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud So, does anybody know if any stations will be switching on the HD at midnig= ht tonight=20 (Thursday), or are they waiting until sunset tomorrow night? From bratina501@msn.com Thu Sep 13 21:13:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24518 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2007 04:12:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2007 04:12:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.122) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2007 04:12:59 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2007 04:12:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2007 04:12:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2007 04:12:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 04:12:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.122 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.53.236 From: "Nicholas" Subject: Re: Apocalypse Now X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=6Fjnlu4lh9bHxpsBpeTAFgyFh3fi4TUBAklDItXEYREBHuYtRw X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > > So, does anybody know if any stations will be switching on the HD at midnight tonight=20 > (Thursday), or are they waiting until sunset tomorrow night? > I don't know of any might as well get some trans Pacific AM DX in tonight while I still can without hearing hissing all over the dial. From narkspud@hotmail.com Fri Sep 14 01:34:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4651 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2007 08:34:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2007 08:34:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.130) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2007 08:34:54 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2007 08:33:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2007 08:33:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2007 08:33:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:33:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.183.12.58 From: "narkspud" Subject: Re: Apocalypse Now X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=fVRZHuJ6J36Y2DotkIWzfbiG-X8A8CPb9fdnD4hDRIxr9qM X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Heard two AM's with their HD on right after midnight, from my home base in = beautiful=20 Orange County, CA: KFWB 980 Los Angeles, and KFBK 1530 Sacramento. The ba= d news is,=20 no HD lock to be had on either one, which was surprising with KFWB, a local= . KFBK's digital sideband was doing a number on the poor station (unidentifie= d, not local)=20 trying to come through on 1520. We have 6 24-hour AM HD stations in the LA market (and one more that signs = on at 6 AM).=20=20 I'll pass the word if any of the others leave the HD fired up for Friday ni= ght. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Sep 14 10:44:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91658 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2007 17:44:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2007 17:44:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.161) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2007 17:44:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 42106 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Sep 2007 17:44:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rYpHXMcVM1mbGjgmwyJxB6GdJ.VR52iLEKSZWRXt Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:44:03 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:44:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <556841.41471.qm@web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: Apocalypse Now - on hold for now IMO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=QVnCqk9WmPZ5527EMMkkPIMhGyuoolv20810ZKMFnlMROYnGP-1B4Pc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio My two local AM's with HD (one was originally a Kahn, then Motorola station) both turned-on their HD at 12:01AM today. After a minor rotation of the antenna, they both would lock into HD. Now, the rest of the AM band was a jungle. I had several 50KW stations that would make the HD light blink on and off, but NOT ONE would lock into HD. WOR was a strange hetrodyne, as was 630-690 and 770-800KHz. WHO, WTVN, WHAM, WHAS and WTAM all made the HD indicator flash, but not one could even give me the call letters, yet alone HD audio. None of the Detroit 50KWs were going into HD on my Directed Electronics radio. It doesn't look like you're going to be able to DX HD signals like you could (can) with C-QUAM! The HD radio - in analog - did a half way decent job of allowing you to hear the adjacents, but a regular analog radio is another story. How did anybody else do? John ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting From bratina501@msn.com Fri Sep 14 11:20:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79805 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2007 18:20:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2007 18:20:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.134) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2007 18:20:12 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2007 18:18:27 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2007 18:18:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2007 18:18:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:18:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <556841.41471.qm@web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.53.236 From: "Nicholas" Subject: Re: Apocalypse Now - on hold for now IMO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=pipOFeDSYLrNsoXgoSPDGqNeZ9jUEz46DX4fc0oTNvdyCN0iHQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > It doesn't look like you're going to be able to DX HD signals like you > could (can) with C-QUAM!=20=20 >=20 > The HD radio - in analog - did a half way decent job of allowing you to > hear the adjacents, but a regular analog radio is another story. >=20 > How did anybody else do? >=20 > John =20 I did well got a near solid lock on KFBK 1530 through skywave but there were only 2 HD stations the other one being KFWB 980 did not get a lock on that one not even the ID. This was with a Radioshack Accurian HD receiver and a 1000 ft longwire antenna.=20 From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Sep 14 17:34:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17412 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2007 00:34:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2007 00:34:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2007 00:34:13 -0000 Received: from [64.131.21.247] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.1.0) with SMTP id <20070914193235102332200003> for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:32:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004201c7f731$0f5d9d40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:32:35 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Apocalypse Now X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=BzruoBpBwpp-CdpgOdPE86eN2RTJOXdW3i51FjEQTb4R89ELprzk X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Didn't have time to DX around this past morning, though I did find WLS was still transmitting CQUAM, possibly for the last time on any regular basis. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: narkspud Heard two AM's with their HD on right after midnight, from my home base in beautiful Orange County, CA: KFWB 980 Los Angeles, and KFBK 1530 Sacramento. The bad news is, no HD lock to be had on either one, which was surprising with KFWB, a local. KFBK's digital sideband was doing a number on the poor station (unidentified, not local) trying to come through on 1520. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From narkspud@hotmail.com Fri Sep 14 19:17:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76870 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2007 02:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2007 02:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.213) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2007 02:17:55 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2007 02:26:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2007 02:17:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 02:17:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.183.12.58 From: "narkspud" Subject: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=Pae2whZM2WYU2e3JW4rJ2sdk7dbgUTd2-mZSNrS9QAar2eY X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Update - In LA, the only two AM stations leaving their HD on this evening a= re KFWB (980) and=20 KNX (1070).=20=20 Also, KOGO in San Diego (600) seems to have shut theirs off. From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Sep 14 21:15:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70602 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2007 04:15:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2007 04:15:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2007 04:15:51 -0000 Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id r.d1a.14cd2332 (39953) for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:08:16 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=EcTHjigDue_kBLkFWJ2wC-jwRI-gPufgCjMhdGkTN_5jWCHGFTjeoSV23O2IrB4B X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alright, I'm a moron. But I have to ask, what is an apolcalypse as related to AM HD radio? Because such a small portion of the station's power goes into the HD signal component, it doesn't have the coverage C-Quam would. Call me out of date, but I believe C-Quam was the way to go on AM. I remember being in San Francisco when AM Stereo was popular. Anyone who has driven in the Bay knows how erratic FM reception is, especially in the city and going out towards Contra Costa. AM Stereo KFRC always provided a strong clear signal. The problem with HD is it generates so little revenue for the station, there's nothing to pay the cost of programming the bandwidth. Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Sep 14 21:28:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88945 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2007 04:28:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2007 04:28:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao105.cox.net) (68.230.241.41) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2007 04:28:16 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070915042609.YBDU3549.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:26:09 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.225.240.86]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id oUS91X0011sYu840000000; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:26:09 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:26:07 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=R1cyTk_SSKdYjNyj1XrsWQYV5fYq3RBcHn1JptDmDpU1Qaektm9_FQPpbWfo X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got KABC tonight as well ... even if I left them out of my column. Later tonight when I can play with the HDT-1, I'll try some more. On Sep 14, 2007, at 7:17 PM, narkspud wrote: > Update - In LA, the only two AM stations leaving their HD on this > evening are KFWB (980) and > KNX (1070). > > Also, KOGO in San Diego (600) seems to have shut theirs off. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Sep 14 21:30:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40393 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2007 04:30:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2007 04:30:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao102.cox.net) (68.230.241.44) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2007 04:30:13 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070915042809.ZQFL6851.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:28:09 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.225.240.86]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id oUU91X00A1sYu840000000; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:28:09 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <151341A4-0DC9-474A-A8DE-3CC8973C8BBF@cox.net> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:28:07 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=GKd3MKXq-knmxdmwYz5ZthDUEDTwFMf8vIQnS0FSM2O4-EHztiD-6kcpiCLZ X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ah, KFRC. What a great station that was destroyed by various people ... not the least of whom was Walter Sabo and his damn game shows. KFRC was a great station. Especially when it was still top-40. On Sep 14, 2007, at 9:08 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I remember being in San Francisco when AM Stereo was popular. > Anyone who has > driven in the Bay knows how erratic FM reception is, especially in > the city > and going out towards Contra Costa. AM Stereo KFRC always provided > a strong > clear signal. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Fri Sep 14 21:44:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2684 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2007 04:44:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2007 04:44:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.163) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2007 04:44:02 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n6.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2007 04:42:28 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2007 04:42:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2007 04:42:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 04:42:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <151341A4-0DC9-474A-A8DE-3CC8973C8BBF@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.163 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.10.237.48 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=EdadFcvppjqchZja91DG_p5YYppVtyyRxDH6YhgqtLctSqA X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > > Ah, KFRC. What a great station that was destroyed by various=20=20 > people ... not the least of whom was Walter Sabo and his damn game=20=20 > shows. >=20 > KFRC was a great station. Especially when it was still top-40. AMEN ! Juan Gualda Fort Pierce, FL From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 14 23:29:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83649 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2007 06:29:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2007 06:29:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp117.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.90) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2007 06:29:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 56669 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2007 06:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO z4x8l4) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.20.191.78 with login) by smtp117.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2007 06:29:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: z__gXFkVM1l0h6FNhGKQxZTCvD67JxJd4fIxCP3NM_sGdwemwv.NqDulx6pzrOFM43wYrCkHeg-- Message-ID: <001b01c7f761$f9bab640$20a4fea9@z4x8l4> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "Jim Smith" Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:30:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: Reporting from just NE of Sacrament Ca X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=HUYxAYKuBwxGQ9tYWKEebHLrRN3Rq7nQMmXM-NJJTv6EWydm2wl75EyF1y52njS_Vd8CGkPT X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I have no HD radio but I do have a Sony SRF A300 with head phones. And in forced mode they are easy to pick out. One I can hear is KMJ HD AM 580 . I have not herd that for a long time till after midnight Sept. 14. KFBK HD AM 1530 KGO AM HD 810 KNX AM HD 1070. That all for now but more to come I am sure. YUK!!!!!!!! Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Sep 15 00:33:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13228 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2007 07:33:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2007 07:33:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.241) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2007 07:33:29 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n26.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2007 07:31:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2007 07:31:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2007 07:31:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 07:31:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <151341A4-0DC9-474A-A8DE-3CC8973C8BBF@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.241 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.11.121 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=jkIkqZCeOoIWDfDORunRtwmz8dojCy4G7g3T78K1fiKhuXAJ X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > > Ah, KFRC. What a great station that was destroyed by various=20=20 > people ... not the least of whom was Walter Sabo and his damn game=20=20 > shows. >=20 > KFRC was a great station. Especially when it was still top-40. It was at it's greatest when "Dr." Don Rose was the morning DJ-- I still mourn his passing... :( KFRC's classic oldies format- and the stations's call letters- have just been revived in the last couple months at 106.9 FM-- I could get them all the way from about Healdsburg all the wau down to our destination in Milpitas, on a trip last month. Nice to hear oldies once again in the SF Bay Area. :) And they do sound GREAT! :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 15 00:49:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75693 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2007 07:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2007 07:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.220) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2007 07:49:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2007 07:49:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2007 07:49:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 07:49:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.20.191.78 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=u0FxgGS8FVTpWMDx75riPhrGlqQsLSmGpnyqD1nCdmWQ3Rqhx45P0DGjfGbcr_iNOeDfdvZr X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > wrote: > > > > Ah, KFRC. What a great station that was destroyed by various=20=20 > > people ... not the least of whom was Walter Sabo and his damn=20 game=20=20 > > shows. > >=20 > > KFRC was a great station. Especially when it was still top-40. >=20 > It was at it's greatest when "Dr." Don Rose was the morning DJ-- I > still mourn his passing... :( >=20 > KFRC's classic oldies format- and the stations's call letters- have > just been revived in the last couple months at 106.9 FM-- I could=20 get > them all the way from about Healdsburg all the wau down to our > destination in Milpitas, on a trip last month. Nice to hear oldies > once again in the SF Bay Area. :) And they do sound GREAT! :) >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Hi Amy I agrey on every thing above and I all so miss the good DR DON=20 ROSE and KFRC 610 AM STEREO C-QUAM. I had never got to hear DR=20 DON's show in ISB AM STEREO. I miss the old days of AM radio. Jim=20 Smith From narkspud@hotmail.com Sat Sep 15 06:47:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39952 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2007 13:47:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2007 13:47:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.244) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2007 13:47:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2007 13:43:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2007 13:43:30 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:43:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.183.12.58 From: "narkspud" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=-7fPA4bKDJpen4DFLlv-Q6qm2x2yLDRggW5DGWOmf3s1md0 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud I doubt you're a moron. My use of "apocalypse" is somewhat tongue in cheek= , but some of=20 the more, uh, passionate HD critics are using that very word, in anticipati= on of skywave HD=20 signals wiping out reception for most analog AM listeners. As I understand it, while the FM HD signal is a separate transmission at a = lower power level,=20 the AM is on the main carrier and thus goes out at the station's full power= . Somebody correct=20 me if I'm wrong -- I'm not a radio engineer, but I play one on TV. Nevertheless, it sounds like most listeners are having a heckuva time keepi= ng locked onto=20 nighttime HD broadcasts. I know I am. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Alright, I'm a moron. But I have to ask, what is an apolcalypse as relat= ed=20 > to AM HD radio? >=20 > Because such a small portion of the station's power goes into the HD sign= al=20 > component, it doesn't have the coverage C-Quam would. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Sep 15 07:02:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82469 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2007 14:02:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2007 14:02:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2007 14:02:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 78789 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Sep 2007 14:01:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BpMbgGMVM1leRlRaYtygG88NaurtpsGqQgiuvP2OF7LMvsYj7bKZektW5a.n5ey.WQ-- Received: from [209.213.19.180] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 07:01:29 PDT Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 07:01:29 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <947468.78437.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=JGme7T7lMzdDYdI9fWQW--NQzGvDLOUJaC876f72Zws X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Alright, I'm a moron. But I have to ask, what is an > apolcalypse as related > to AM HD radio? > > Because such a small portion of the station's power > goes into the HD signal > component, it doesn't have the coverage C-Quam > would. Call me out of date, but > I believe C-Quam was the way to go on AM. Power is low FOR NOW! Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From tomray@wor710.com Sat Sep 15 08:11:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63035 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2007 15:11:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2007 15:11:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.101) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2007 15:11:19 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n9.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2007 15:09:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2007 15:09:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2007 15:09:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 15:09:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.244.183.244 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=xAaimWHyaQz6fi1nDYLuh1SFXG6y7d0o8foyUqizKW-4Xqi0 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" =20 wrote: > As I understand it, while the FM HD signal is a separate=20 transmission at a lower power level,=20 > the AM is on the main carrier and thus goes out at the station's=20 full power. Somebody correct=20 > me if I'm wrong -- I'm not a radio engineer, but I play one on TV. You are correct in that the FM HD signal is a separate, distinct=20 entity which lives at the outer edges of the FM baseband, living - 45dB down from unmodulated carrier level. It is related to the FM=20 carrier frequency, but if the analog transmitter were to go away,=20 the digital transmitter would still operate and be decoded. The AM signal is composed of three parts, or blocks, of OFDM=20 carriers. The first block is -45dB down from carrier, and is=20 located from 0-5kHz, in quadrature with the carrier. The second=20 block is located from 5-10kHz, is -43dB, and is also in quadrature=20 with carrier. The third block is located from 10-15kHz, is -28dB=20 down, and amplitude modulates the carrier.=20=20 The block under the audio carries station ID information, timing=20 information, text information and such. The block from 10-15K=20 carries the "primary audio", which is the mono audio. The block=20 from 5-10K carries the stereo information. Obviously, if the AM carrier goes away, so does the entire signal. FM can be run in 3 ways - common amplification, where the analog and=20 HD signal goes through the same transmitter - mid level combining,=20 where the analog transmitter runs at reduced power, and a second=20 transmitter makes up the additionally required analog power plus=20 produces the HD signal as well - and high level combining, where the=20 analog transmitter must produce 11% more power to overcome combining=20 loss, and a separate digital transmitter, which must produce 10=20 times the required digital power as 90% of it is directed to a dummy=20 load while 10% goes toward the antenna as a result of the combining=20 process. There are also ways to combine the signals in the antenna itself,=20 but that's a complicated discussion. That is HD transmission in a nutshell. Tom Ray WOR From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Sep 15 08:27:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18641 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2007 15:27:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2007 15:27:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2007 15:27:29 -0000 Received: from [64.131.21.70] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.1.0) with SMTP id <20070915102608101983100003> for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:26:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004a01c7f7ad$e32368e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:26:08 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=xx9DR1Z05l8L0BrXsPEwokkHZuPfiOfV8CqPYjDWHsIT2Raw3kBp X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I liked KT's term for it- Ibocalypse! Anyhoo, they're both digital carriers straddling the main analog signal. In an FM setup it can be done with two separate transmitters, though that's being done less and less as exciters and transmitters which can handle both simultaneously have been developed. Less room is needed in the transmitter shack. On the AM band typically only one transmitter is used. The RF stages are linearized so it can pass the digital signal cleanly and the analog is modulated conventionally. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: narkspud I doubt you're a moron. My use of "apocalypse" is somewhat tongue in cheek, but some of the more, uh, passionate HD critics are using that very word, in anticipation of skywave HD signals wiping out reception for most analog AM listeners. As I understand it, while the FM HD signal is a separate transmission at a lower power level, the AM is on the main carrier and thus goes out at the station's full power. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong -- I'm not a radio engineer, but I play one on TV. Visit Your Group Endurance Zone A Fitness Group about overall better endurance. Cat Fanatics on Yahoo! Groups Find people who are crazy about cats. Real Food Group Share recipes and favorite meals w/ Real Food lovers. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Sep 15 08:37:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71477 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2007 15:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2007 15:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2007 15:37:05 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.104.66.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.104.66] helo=Possum-Hunters-Computer.local) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1IWZhg-0002QV-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:37:04 -0400 Message-ID: <46EBFC31.9070300@peoplepc.com> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:37:21 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=c3s2uymzFhJVuDGIaTIiXXbGUvjEgxjB7DCLRxnF3JBAx4V9KLqgv6pVPY2Edg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: > The AM signal is composed of three parts, or blocks, of OFDM carriers. The first block is -45dB down from carrier, and is located from 0-5kHz, in quadrature with the carrier. The second block is located from 5-10kHz, is -43dB, and is also in quadrature with carrier. The third block is located from 10-15kHz, is -28dB down, and amplitude modulates the carrier. > So if you turn off the Analog, can you broadcast the HD-Radio signal at the full 50KW for better digital coverage like the DRM stations in Europe? Possum From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Sep 15 09:33:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40636 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2007 16:33:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2007 16:33:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2007 16:33:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 29555 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Sep 2007 16:22:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: frgc9NEVM1m6eA5WTm9Eml7bJ1rcR3upiOUPMYjjIYZUTfkINMQx7OXn0XSz_zvXW05eYug.kQ-- Received: from [209.213.19.180] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 09:22:27 PDT Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 09:22:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <46EBFC31.9070300@peoplepc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <92609.28546.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=E9KGoPVLFlGbBMKUcoz_viE9xYX0atMFpbcsFmIZp54 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > So if you turn off the Analog, can you broadcast the > HD-Radio signal at > the full 50KW for better digital coverage like the > DRM stations in Europe? > Possum The older BE software allowed that on their exciter. As of yet Harris does not, and I think the newer BE software may not either. That should come in later upgrades I'd expect. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Sep 15 09:52:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83071 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2007 16:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2007 16:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2007 16:52:49 -0000 Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id r.d38.1403a07c (42807) for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:44:25 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=xqNDySebDdZVe-bzEbWnEdFG5jZnQeVK2jDf7lOPOEiXewQW2isffEk1aOaj63PI X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/14/07 11:30:32 PM Central Daylight Time, rwagoner@cox.net writes: > Ah, KFRC. What a great station that was destroyed by various > people ... not the least of whom was Walter Sabo and his damn game > shows. My understanding is Walter's real last name was Sabotage, but he shortened it because it was just too obvious. > KFRC was a great station. Especially when it was still top-40 You're right. A true bright spot on the dial in the Bay Area. When in the area on a business trip, I purchased a Stereo AM Walkman at one of the electronic stores on Powell Street waiting in line for the cable car. I was blown away by the sound it delivered on AM. When BART would go into FM dead zones, KFRC was still clear, clean, and strong. I thought Top 40 and AM Stereo was a perfect match. Sadly, both faded long before their signals ever did. Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Sep 15 10:03:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51872 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2007 17:03:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2007 17:03:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2007 17:03:35 -0000 Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id r.c6c.16d7b68a (42807) for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:55:47 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:1:1:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=G87X7wLyz51TGd5YVVnh2eZyZMBlgu7gx2k6AqKNjOePsMzyZp9gZbXZeEu-fSrx X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/15/07 2:33:52 AM Central Daylight Time, amymousie@yahoo.com writes: > It was at it's greatest when "Dr." Don Rose was the morning DJ-- I > still mourn his passing... :( > I remember Don Rose. I almost rear-ended someone in the morning traffic driving down the 101 to Santa Clara he had me laughing so hard. A true talent. Us Midwesterners just weren't used to that kind of intensity. Sort of like going to Seattle and getting a cup of their coffee instead of the brew in the Heartland before Starbuck's. Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Sep 15 10:20:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74042 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2007 17:19:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2007 17:19:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2007 17:19:56 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.91.104.66.dial1.orlando1.level3.net ([4.91.104.66] helo=Possum-Hunters-Computer.local) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1IWbIl-0002g3-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:19:28 -0400 Message-ID: <46EC1430.6080403@peoplepc.com> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:19:44 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <92609.28546.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <92609.28546.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=SxujtOGszac16lnxy24tyu5wmGphDy9id0P5n3FVF7DQqTfbYh82pF0v2dOL5Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > The older BE software allowed that on their exciter. The reason I asked is in markets such as Cincinnati, OH where groups like Clear Channel has a Winner AM like WLW and a looser like WCKY, they may be better off to run full C-QUAM with NRSC bandwidth analog on the winner and simulcast in HD-Radio Full Digital mode on the looser. This would give the best Analog coverage and the best Digital coverage for the HD Listeners. It would also get rid of the cost of programming the looser station. Kevin From bob_welch550@yahoo.com Sat Sep 15 19:39:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: bob_welch550@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85982 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2007 02:39:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2007 02:39:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.60) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2007 02:39:34 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2007 02:39:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2007 02:39:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 02:39:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213592090; y=QnyBHy42xhPUNIQX7FCcPXpts1FkoseVaA-vPZqvF0hyWBRDeLMK X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Greetings all from the Green Mountain State... I was noticing WABC going in and out on Interstate 89 up here near=20 Barre... and just after the music block ended I noticed the call=20 letters WABC AM show up on the screen then WABC HD it wobbles...=20 then again I'm in the center of Barre with alot of lights and=20 buildings and so on.=20=20 After I get through with the broadcasting day of WDEV tomorrow night=20 I'll have to ride around in one of the many laid out areas of my=20 wonderful state and see what else comes in. Bob at WDEV not in IBOC no matter what the freq.=20 550 Waterbury, VT... 96.1 FM Warren, VT... 96.5 Barre, VT --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 > wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > > wrote: > > > > > > Ah, KFRC. What a great station that was destroyed by various=20=20 > > > people ... not the least of whom was Walter Sabo and his damn=20 > game=20=20 > > > shows. > > >=20 > > > KFRC was a great station. Especially when it was still top-40. > >=20 > > It was at it's greatest when "Dr." Don Rose was the morning DJ-- I > > still mourn his passing... :( > >=20 > > KFRC's classic oldies format- and the stations's call letters-=20 have > > just been revived in the last couple months at 106.9 FM-- I could=20 > get > > them all the way from about Healdsburg all the wau down to our > > destination in Milpitas, on a trip last month. Nice to hear oldies > > once again in the SF Bay Area. :) And they do sound GREAT! :) > >=20 > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > Hi Amy I agrey on every thing above and I all so miss the good DR=20 DON=20 > ROSE and KFRC 610 AM STEREO C-QUAM. I had never got to hear DR=20 > DON's show in ISB AM STEREO. I miss the old days of AM radio. Jim=20 > Smith > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Sep 15 21:00:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29311 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2007 04:00:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2007 04:00:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.164) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2007 04:00:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 79367 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Sep 2007 03:56:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Lxb_1AYVM1nO_tH.rUjlBIONXvcJ_AZIq0PS.wqzR6Smf6YRUT1Hw20wRzdgDIVWc29ErZLzP416ulfIAJvCYvORAhyua6IzlWUZF0BVKv8HghuUtdgVzrHNDg-- Received: from [72.241.129.52] by web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:56:47 PDT Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:56:47 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <708290.79236.qm@web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: HD DX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=bHlH3rwthHhbRnNTumNeKt22bn-WiD-0e5IjsDWgq-grjPwuqUay8ws X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio How about everybody list their long-distance HD catches? Using just the included AM loop, I mangaged to get an HD lock (maybe for only 30 seconds or a minute but) long enough to get TEXT ID the following stations Saturday night: WHAM-HD 1180AM KMOX-HD 1120AM ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Sep 15 22:15:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52424 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2007 05:15:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2007 05:15:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2007 05:15:35 -0000 Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id r.d40.12f0625e (42809) for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 01:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 01:07:51 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD DX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=JIc99kwZ8TC03z2bIY3plQb0SxBbdNmDflErzYyVrvV0QHnkC_z_aHv5QlbEbEnR X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/15/07 10:00:55 PM Central Standard Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: > Using just the included AM loop, I mangaged to get an HD lock (maybe > for only 30 seconds or a minute but) long enough to get TEXT ID the > following stations Saturday night: > > WHAM-HD 1180AM > KMOX-HD 1120AM > I live in St. Louis, home KMOX 1120. 50 kW Class I clear channel. Because of its higher spot on the dial and ground conditions, it's daytime coverage isn't much to brag about. In the night hours, you're just about the optimal distance for good skywave reception. The KMOX tower is slightly too tall creating a high angle secondary vertical lobe that returns too close in where there is still a significant groundwave. So there is a dead zone at night between where the groundwave coverage declines too much to be useful before a clean return skywave becomes dominant. The Mighty Mox sometimes referred to as the Voice of Medicare. WHAM is Rochester, right? Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From narkspud@hotmail.com Sat Sep 15 22:30:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74675 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2007 05:30:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2007 05:30:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.133) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2007 05:30:44 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2007 05:30:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2007 05:30:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2007 05:30:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 05:30:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <708290.79236.qm@web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.183.12.58 From: "narkspud" Subject: Re: HD DX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=mp5YZJlFcN7LUguK1pvhH6bT0ys74iacx5clbrdorbn3wbs X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Here in OC, I can't even get a lock on the locals except for KNX 1070, and = it's not 100%.=20=20 Blinking HD light on 8 other stations, 5 of which were from out of market, = but I see no=20 sense listing them, as I never got text ID on any of them, let alone a lock= . Darn thing just=20 doesn't work worth a toot at night, and I don't think I'll be doing these b= andscans=20 anymore. BTW, I also heard that nightmare scenario that many a broadcaster has been = losing sleep=20 over . . . a local getting IBOC hash from a skywave. KSL Salt Lake City (1= 160) was coming=20 in well enough to put audible fizz on KTLK Los Angeles (1150). They weren'= t unlistenable,=20 but they did sound significantly noisier than they used to. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > How about everybody list their long-distance HD catches? >=20 > Using just the included AM loop, I mangaged to get an HD lock (maybe > for only 30 seconds or a minute but) long enough to get TEXT ID the > following stations Saturday night: >=20 > WHAM-HD 1180AM > KMOX-HD 1120AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 ___________________________________________________________________________= _________ > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?=20 > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search > http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=3Doni_on_mail&p=3Dgraduation+gifts&cs= =3Dbz > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Sep 15 23:22:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34679 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2007 06:22:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2007 06:22:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.117) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2007 06:22:41 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2007 06:20:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2007 06:20:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2007 06:20:52 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 06:20:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.108 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=MCK3jeR0vbuIbS8mlwGgABrPLCb_Y_bBir9EPs36EXnXvcvFfA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > >=20 > The AM signal is composed of three parts, or blocks, of OFDM=20 > carriers. The first block is -45dB down from carrier, and is=20 > located from 0-5kHz, in quadrature with the carrier. The second=20 > block is located from 5-10kHz, is -43dB, and is also in quadrature=20 > with carrier. The third block is located from 10-15kHz, is -28dB=20 > down, and amplitude modulates the carrier.=20=20 >=20 > The block under the audio carries station ID information, timing=20 > information, text information and such. The block from 10-15K=20 > carries the "primary audio", which is the mono audio. The block=20 > from 5-10K carries the stereo information. >=20 > Obviously, if the AM carrier goes away, so does the entire signal. >=20 Hi Tom!!! I know you hate my comments and I really know you'd want somebody=20 takes me off from this forum but... I'm not your enemy and I don't=20 want to be a "digital age" enemy. However, I can't understand why you have to do all this complex kind=20 of modulation at a very low level if the system was "so" good, as=20 you have said here. For decades the analog AM TXs have been modulated at full 100%=20 without important interferences to the adjacent channels. Now you=20 tell us the digital signal must be -45, -43 and -28 dBs, related to=20 the unmodulation carrier level, to get a "decent" signal without=20 disturb the neighborhood. So, I guess if we modulate the TXs with a=20 100% digital signal... IT WOULD BE AN INTERNATIONAL DISASTER!!! But... Why? Because you are trying to put into a little glass all the water of=20 the seven seas!!! The AM band is based on a very simple principle: THE MOST SMALL=20 PASSBAND TO GET THE MAXIMUM "GOOD" AUDIO. In other words: no more=20 than 10 kHz of analog audio bandwidth. IF ALL THE TXs AND THE RXs OF THE WORLD FOLLOW THIS MINIMAL RULE, WE=20 WOULDN'T BE IN THIS FORUM WITH THIS DISCUSSION!!! Unfortunately, the reality, for decades, has been a lot of very bad=20 AM RXs and the public prefers the sound from an MP3, CD or FM RXs=20 because it's more closer than the natural human ear spectrum. I know what the basis of the IBOC, HD, DRM, etc. etc. is: to get a=20 better audio image in the AM band, BUT... and a great "but", the way=20 isn't the digital world BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WORK ON THE AIR!!! That's=20 all!!! Why? Everybody knows what the minimal digital "decent" stream=20 is: more than 170 kbps equivalent to more than 20 kHz of analog=20 bandwidth!!! So, if you have an AM band with a 10 kHz MAXIMUN audio=20 bandwidth and you need a minimum of 20 kHz to get a "decent" digital=20 stream... I can't see a practical solution. Adding the fact that is=20 tested and proof the AM band propagation characteristics are=20 incompatible with any kind of low level phase modulation (one of the=20 failures of the C-QUAM system), so if the IBOC uses the phase=20 modulation at a very low level... mm... OK, if you have a 50 kWs AM=20 TX I guess you will have less problems but, please, remember that=20 most of the TXs don't have 50 kWs. It's specially true in the poor=20 part of the world (my country, as an example) where the most TXs=20 only have 1 kW and there is a lot of 500 Wts and, even, 250 Wts=20 TXs!!! The only real way I can see to solve this "technical issue" is to=20 get (and to force) clean and wide audio spectrum ANALOG AM RXs=20 (because is in that part where the technical problem is). However, as I can see, the background real problem isn't a technical=20 problem: THE GREAT AM BAND PROBLEM IS AN ECONOMICAL ISSUE, due to=20 the bad program formats. So, if the digital world will win the battle, or the analog C-QUAM=20 AM Stereo will remain into the future... it doesn't matter at all!!!=20 The real problem, the real question here is: WILL THE AM BAND BE ABLE TO RENEW (or REDECORATE) THE PROGRAM FORMAT=20 TO GET THE PUBLIC BACK? While the AM stations keep the today format... I can't see any kind=20 of technical solution. It's my humble opinion. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From starship_2001@msn.com Sun Sep 16 04:47:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30266 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2007 11:46:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2007 11:46:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.154) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2007 11:46:56 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.136.19]) by bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 16 Sep 2007 04:43:10 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 04:43:10 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.6 by BAY131-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:43:06 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:43:06 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2007 11:43:10.0270 (UTC) FILETIME=[C19FCDE0:01C7F856] Return-Path: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD DX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=xJcyA2eO7T417LLyRZ6PD9xWzR05ZpqoiY4clEVmBI400qkkME8-IQrGMg X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 I almost had a lock on WOR 710. Did get the PAD DATA saying WOR. this was around 8:30 PM 9:00 PM edt. Also had a daytime almost a lock on WBZ got pad data twice during the day. Using HD100 with supplied loop. -----Original Message----- From: John P. Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 11:56 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} HD DX How about everybody list their long-distance HD catches? Using just the included AM loop, I mangaged to get an HD lock (maybe for only 30 seconds or a minute but) long enough to get TEXT ID the following stations Saturday night: WHAM-HD 1180AM KMOX-HD 1120AM ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Sep 16 08:01:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69104 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2007 15:01:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2007 15:01:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2007 15:01:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 58072 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Sep 2007 15:01:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: IARjX8UVM1kHCSN9x46_0bWpow3OpLqYZ776qdAGZm122SDWif6dXNoItbrf4FXKDeBXm.Y1OQ-- Received: from [68.142.201.143] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 08:01:02 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.50 YahooMailWebService/0.7.134 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 08:01:02 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <331494.56944.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD DX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=P0ShNt_s_S9moLMtf9nL0Z0xI4Fi1_GiFn2WNPiDsrk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW 450 miles from Nashville and WLAC decodes for long periods of time except f= or very deep fades. WTAM on gives PAD or now it's called PSD.=20 No other decoding. I wanted to hear that JAZZ on KMOX in HD. Powell =20 NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From afw7963@yahoo.com Sun Sep 16 08:16:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: afw7963@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2596 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2007 15:16:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2007 15:16:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.134) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2007 15:16:01 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2007 15:14:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2007 15:14:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2007 15:14:28 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:14:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <708290.79236.qm@web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.166.74.121 From: "afw7963" Subject: Re: HD DX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197169729; y=MVs6OkCFsXPXEz95zOkHp85KSoWOEBDOjukNjAWzuNboBA X-Yahoo-Profile: afw7963 I received WABC 770 New York with HD lock very briefly (about 20 seconds or so) as well as 810 WGY Schenectady (sp?) using the Radio Shack Accurian radio connected to a bandwidth broadened AM Advantage loop antenna mounted on my balcony. This happened on 9/14. I then grabbed a spare JVC KD-HDW10 and connected it as a tuner the following night and received these same stations with slightly longer and more frequent locks albeit with enough severe fading inbetween to make the "Digital Hold" feature more like a digital MUTE effect 9 times out of ten. I've noticed that the JVC has more agressive HD lock holding to borderline streams than the Accurian, but the Accurian is WAY more selective on AM making listening to adjacent channels far more enjoyable in analog than the JVC. I'm sure that the Sangean HDX-1 would blow both of them out of the water, but I don't have one to play with to make that determination. Using WJR 760 as a regional comparison, the JVC will hold onto the digital stream with partial dropouts during the day whereas the Accurian can only occassionally decode the pad data. I'm in Cuyahoga Falls OH a suburb of Akron Ohio. WABC (387 miles East) WGY (400 miles East) daytime reception only even though WJR maybe oeprating HD at night WJR (114 miles Northwest) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > How about everybody list their long-distance HD catches? >=20 > Using just the included AM loop, I mangaged to get an HD lock (maybe > for only 30 seconds or a minute but) long enough to get TEXT ID the > following stations Saturday night: >=20 > WHAM-HD 1180AM > KMOX-HD 1120AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20 ___________________________________________________________________________= _________ > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?=20 > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search > http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=3Doni_on_mail&p=3Dgraduation+gifts&cs= =3Dbz > From mrcomment@yahoo.com Sun Sep 16 12:16:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mrcomment@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43256 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2007 19:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2007 19:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.250) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2007 19:16:25 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n29.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2007 19:14:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2007 19:14:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2007 19:14:24 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:14:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.81.66.121 From: "mrcomment" Subject: Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193606338; y=zps38EyCTBdLnJMy0uGfcWi6D4_FEKwTCeCwdI2nzGPkTNOG X-Yahoo-Profile: mrcomment --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" =20 > wrote: > > As I understand it, while the FM HD signal is a separate=20 > transmission at a lower power level,=20 > > the AM is on the main carrier and thus goes out at the station's=20 > full power. Somebody correct=20 > > me if I'm wrong -- I'm not a radio engineer, but I play one on TV. >=20 >=20 > You are correct in that the FM HD signal is a separate, distinct=20 > entity which lives at the outer edges of the FM baseband, living - > 45dB down from unmodulated carrier level. It is related to the FM=20 > carrier frequency, but if the analog transmitter were to go away,=20 > the digital transmitter would still operate and be decoded. >=20 > The AM signal is composed of three parts, or blocks, of OFDM=20 > carriers. The first block is -45dB down from carrier, and is=20 > located from 0-5kHz, in quadrature with the carrier. The second=20 > block is located from 5-10kHz, is -43dB, and is also in quadrature=20 > with carrier. The third block is located from 10-15kHz, is -28dB=20 > down, and amplitude modulates the carrier.=20=20 >=20 > The block under the audio carries station ID information, timing=20 > information, text information and such. The block from 10-15K=20 > carries the "primary audio", which is the mono audio. The block=20 > from 5-10K carries the stereo information. >=20 > Obviously, if the AM carrier goes away, so does the entire signal. >=20 > FM can be run in 3 ways - common amplification, where the analog=20 and=20 > HD signal goes through the same transmitter - mid level combining,=20 > where the analog transmitter runs at reduced power, and a second=20 > transmitter makes up the additionally required analog power plus=20 > produces the HD signal as well - and high level combining, where=20 the=20 > analog transmitter must produce 11% more power to overcome=20 combining=20 > loss, and a separate digital transmitter, which must produce 10=20 > times the required digital power as 90% of it is directed to a=20 dummy=20 > load while 10% goes toward the antenna as a result of the combining=20 > process. >=20 > There are also ways to combine the signals in the antenna itself,=20 > but that's a complicated discussion. >=20 > That is HD transmission in a nutshell. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > For something that is so obvious, you are completely wrong. It is=20 not necessary to have an AM carrier component for IBOC AM. This is=20=20 how the signal is being generated for transmitter efficiency. The=20 IBOC sidebands could operate with a fully suppressed carrier. This is=20 how all digital works. The coupling with the analog signal is due to=20 the single transmitter implementation, just as the single transmitter=20 FM transmitter uses a magnitude and phase modulating signal.=20=20 The two innermost IBOC signal components are quadrature modulated so=20 that that they cause minimum interference to a in-phase signal, which=20 is the analog audio. The remaining piece is amplitude and phase=20 modulated. You could just as easily use a separate transmitter for=20 IBOC AM if you had a phase reference, but no one in his right mind=20 would do it because you are already paying for the inefficiency of a=20 linear transmitter, so you might as well use it. In the case of FM,=20 you are trading off going to an inefficient linearized transmitter vs=20 huge coupler losses vs perturbed radiation patterns. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Sep 16 12:37:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64244 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2007 19:37:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2007 19:37:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2007 19:37:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 17966 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Sep 2007 19:35:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: nGS_K9IVM1lbZrTEji1gY8tnHXKaBXZNv34EaYt3dN39LtUt4X3Pz0jDqZsN0qIQ3cHbnTgeV_DlqGsYeKDlTdRPBowQ6kdwoHSTamj.qtfgohpY1Is7TD6ixA-- Received: from [72.241.129.52] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:35:25 PDT Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:35:25 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <248713.16785.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: NEW AM Band Plan 2008? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=2CLDXyN9gidOv22RbpkX4QGxlkq5gjWuZo6-c6wbHJAWc836frL2gDU X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Obviously, C-Quam AM Stereo makes the most sense at night for AM stations; however, since the FCC and iBiquity aren't likely to have that happen, the only thing that makes sense is to specify half of the AM band digital and half of the AM band analog for the next 20 years. Here's the 'JohnnyElectronBandPlan' for USA AM radio from September 14, 2008 - September 14, 2028: The low end of the AM band from 540-1000 shall remain analog day and night; CQuam or Kahn ISB stereo required on all 50KW stations within 2 years. No digital operation shall be permitted. This half of the band shall be maintained for the 3/4 billion legacy analog AM tuners. The high end of the AM band from 1010-1710 shall be all digital day and night; either iBiquity or all-digital CAM-D permitted. All stations in the digital half of the AM band shall maintain their analog transmitters for emergency use and hybrid operation shall be permitted for only the first two years. Full digital power permitted as long as interference doesn't occur beyond current analog protections. Local AM stations 1KW or less in the digital half of the band (1010-1710) shall be permitted to choose to either operate a translator station on the FM band, or utilize digital broadcasting on the AM band. Same rules apply for AM daytimers. FCC shall mandate AM tuners that receive digital AM must also automatically detect the analog AM stereo with noise blanking and AMAX audio frequency specs as well. I could see a lot of AM stations making 'station swaps' to get one AM station in each half of the band - but a little shake-up might just be what the AM band needs to bring it back to life. Anybody ready to propose this to the FCC? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Sep 16 14:45:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21069 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2007 21:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2007 21:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2007 21:45:16 -0000 Received: from [64.131.24.15] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.1.0) with SMTP id <20070916164346101829300003> for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:43:46 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008b01c7f8ab$d13ed340$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <92609.28546.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46EC1430.6080403@peoplepc.com> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:43:46 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=4k7P8Wa9UgGxjCT81RIqOReFw0Mrqt_bcc8CCHt9t2PaZWeP-KIN X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As a way of tightening it up? Sorry- couldn't resist. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Possum Hunter It would also get rid of the cost of programming the looser station. Visit Your Group Dog Groups on Yahoo! Groups discuss everything related to dogs. Shedding Pounds on Yahoo! Groups Read sucess stories & share your own. 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=pKYDvqF4LuZIqSzJ7TbZErd0D376DwW5qXCvstik3_4rzi9GMV26 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not really. Two of my three stations operate in your proposed digital band and there's not a snowball's chance in a blast furnace they'd be able to get a low band allocation to replace what they've got now. Keep the wheels turning, though, you just may come up with something workable yet. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. Here's the 'JohnnyElectronBandPlan' for USA AM radio from September 14, 2008 - September 14, 2028: I could see a lot of AM stations making 'station swaps' to get one AM station in each half of the band - but a little shake-up might just be what the AM band needs to bring it back to life. Anybody ready to propose this to the FCC? Visit Your Group Best of Y! Groups Discover groups that are the best of their class. Green Y! 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Group for HDTVs and devices. . --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Sun Sep 16 15:21:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83805 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2007 22:21:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2007 22:21:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.247) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2007 22:21:55 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2007 22:21:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2007 22:21:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2007 22:21:03 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 22:21:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <46EBFC31.9070300@peoplepc.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=wLrR985cXt38s-rddymcHR2MYHbQjtdzlafMqHyW23IXsw1z X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter =20 wrote: >=20 > So if you turn off the Analog, can you broadcast the HD-Radio signal=20 at=20 > the full 50KW for better digital coverage like the DRM stations in=20 Europe? Hey Possum: In the all digital AM waveform, the primary carriers will occupy from=20 5kHz on the lower sideband to 5kHz on the upper sideband. The=20 secondary carriers move to the upper sideband at 5-10kHz. The=20 tertiary carriers move to the lower sideband at 5-10kHz. Level of the=20 primary is -15dBc (presently -28dBc). The level of the secondary=20 carriers becomes -30dBc (presently -43dBc). The level of the tertiary=20 carriers becomes -30dBc (presently -45dBc). I'd have to do the conversion to determine how far below actual power=20 that is. Tom Ray WOR >=20 > Possum > From tomray@wor710.com Sun Sep 16 15:32:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62950 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2007 22:32:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2007 22:32:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.213) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2007 22:32:54 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2007 22:32:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2007 22:32:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2007 22:32:10 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 22:32:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=MbKAkVkMsxSeI6mo-jjW_y80ElKDUVLuftcT8Tv0dvrEBmHQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "mrcomment" =20 wrote: > > > >=20 > For something that is so obvious, you are completely wrong. It is=20 > not necessary to have an AM carrier component for IBOC AM.=20=20 Nope. Sorry. Not wrong. The ibiquity spec - in the all digital mode - calls for a carrier.=20=20 I'm looking at it right now. "In the all digital mode, the IBOC=20 carriers are moved in to occupy the space where the analog signal=20 was. They are increased in power. The unmodulated carrier is=20 retained". The carrier is used as a reference by the radio for=20 correct phasing of the modulated components. For hybrid AM IBOC, the primary carriers are amplitude modulated. I=20 suppose you could supress the carrier, but that is not done and the=20 radio uses carrier as a reference.=20 This is not digital modulation of the AM signal. This is modulating=20 the AM signal with a digital signal. In full digital modulation,=20 the carrier is not required. There is a difference. Tom Ray WOR=20 From radio603@malmo2.net Mon Sep 17 00:08:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio603@malmo2.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91971 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2007 07:08:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2007 07:08:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.bredband2.net) (82.209.166.4) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2007 07:08:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 23783 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2007 06:56:07 -0000 Received: from mkb-145-39-209-82.3.cust.bredband2.com (HELO malmoe) ([82.209.145.39]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.bredband2.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 17 Sep 2007 06:56:07 -0000 Message-ID: <005901c7f8f8$91124520$2791d152@malmoe> To: References: <248713.16785.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:01:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Originating-IP: 82.209.166.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Roy" Subject: Re: {AMSF} NEW AM Band Plan 2008? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=195882801; y=q-hpMt5XbAnLBhVtjdXIXyKM_dASIuXGDE_wIz8aXH6_kDI X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very stupid, best to digital broadcasting is on longwave and in the lowfer end of medium= wave. Hardly no fading day or nigth on longwave. Mediumwave slow fading at nigths= between 500-1000 kHz. I got a "truckbox" in my car with a active 12v antenna on the roof of my Vo= lvo 855 -94. Works very great on Radio Luxemburg 6095 kHz in DRM. Even DFL 1000watt in D= RM 150 km distance from Malm=F6, Sweden Analouge reciver 150-khz -27 MHz All band DAB worldwide. www.radio603.info.se and clic on QTH 1 Rugen, planned station on DRM. Roy in Sweden ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John P.=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 9:35 PM Subject: {AMSF} NEW AM Band Plan 2008? Obviously, C-Quam AM Stereo makes the most sense at night for AM stations; however, since the FCC and iBiquity aren't likely to have that happen, the only thing that makes sense is to specify half of the AM band digital and half of the AM band analog for the next 20 years. Here's the 'JohnnyElectronBandPlan' for USA AM radio from September 14, 2008 - September 14, 2028: The low end of the AM band from 540-1000 shall remain analog day and night; CQuam or Kahn ISB stereo required on all 50KW stations within 2 years. No digital operation shall be permitted. This half of the band shall be maintained for the 3/4 billion legacy analog AM tuners. The high end of the AM band from 1010-1710 shall be all digital day and night; either iBiquity or all-digital CAM-D permitted. All stations in the digital half of the AM band shall maintain their analog transmitters for emergency use and hybrid operation shall be permitted for only the first two years. Full digital power permitted as long as interference doesn't occur beyond current analog protections. Local AM stations 1KW or less in the digital half of the band (1010-1710) shall be permitted to choose to either operate a translator station on the FM band, or utilize digital broadcasting on the AM band. Same rules apply for AM daytimers. FCC shall mandate AM tuners that receive digital AM must also automatically detect the analog AM stereo with noise blanking and AMAX audio frequency specs as well. I could see a lot of AM stations making 'station swaps' to get one AM station in each half of the band - but a little shake-up might just be what the AM band needs to bring it back to life. Anybody ready to propose this to the FCC?=20 __________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. 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Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.21/1010 - Release Date: 2007-09= -15 19:54 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Sep 17 17:54:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55648 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2007 00:54:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2007 00:54:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.220) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2007 00:54:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2007 00:53:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2007 00:53:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:53:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.183.12.58 From: "narkspud" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=1UActc0n7K0vbJprVLYtrhy-fOno-b9rQLW5RcKaVIn8fVM X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > The AM signal is composed of three parts, or blocks, of OFDM=20 > carriers. The first block is -45dB down from carrier, and is=20 > located from 0-5kHz, in quadrature with the carrier. The second=20 > block is located from 5-10kHz, is -43dB, and is also in quadrature=20 > with carrier. The third block is located from 10-15kHz, is -28dB=20 > down, and amplitude modulates the carrier. Tom . . . I've been pondering this, and I have a question. Given that the = amplitude modulated=20 block starts at 10 kHz, why does HD require the analog audio to be brickwal= led at 5 kHz? From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Sep 17 20:14:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89791 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2007 03:14:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2007 03:14:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.246) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2007 03:14:16 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2007 03:13:08 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2007 03:13:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2007 03:13:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 03:13:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.125 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Tv_P5jOVOCVPl_ehJCGSK-9_KodfrfnwtHzR90vX80ZQbu17rQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" =20 wrote: > > Tom . . . I've been pondering this, and I have a question. Given=20 that the amplitude modulated=20 > block starts at 10 kHz, why does HD require the analog audio to be=20 brickwalled at 5 kHz? > I guess it's the same reason because I can't use my standard=20 telephone line to get into Internet when my station AM TX is on...=20 THE ANALOG AUDIO SPLATTERS PREVENT THE DIGITAL DECODING PROCESS (due=20 to the very low level of the digital part). (I live in the same place of the station AM TX; in fact, the TX is a=20 wall from me, just a brick wall, in the same building). But it's a vicious circle: the digital part MUST be very low to=20 prevent any analog audio decoders audible interferences and the=20 analog part MUST be restricted to 5 kHz to prevent any digital audio=20 decoders problems!!! Such a system!!! For more than 75 years the analog audio AM band has been alive and,=20 with the proper tuner, with a very "decent" audio response. As an example, I have a very old Hallicrafter AM tuner (LW/MW/SW=20 bands), all with the old vacuum tubes technology and... believe it=20 or not, IT HAS AN 8 KHZ AUDIO PASSBAND IN THE WIDE POSITION!!! I=20 guess this device is from the '50s!!! So... I can't understand what is the real advance of the "new"=20 digital technology. Maybe... I'm a moron, too, hahahaha!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Sep 17 21:33:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95680 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2007 04:33:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2007 04:33:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2007 04:33:05 -0000 Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id r.d2e.1156ff37 (32914) for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:25:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:25:16 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=KPpMRrAs63GjNLvAOoKRwCj6ELZ-z6-0cpiy7wAi1kgAow6SKUmOMdyx9Wook6fS X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 9/17/07 9:14:32 PM Central Standard Time,=20 jotape1960@yahoo.com writes: > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 I know you have local and region AM stations. I was wondering is any=20 international SW broadcasters transmit in C-Quam?=20=20 Mike ************************************** See what's new at=20 http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Sep 17 21:33:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42564 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2007 04:33:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2007 04:33:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2007 04:33:38 -0000 Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id r.d65.1199cc31 (32914) for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:22:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:21:59 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=1uB62k4PDh6numMG9pZpJxLEkht93GPhwIl_4abE-O2_GsfDmjIL3P22J2oclLR- X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/17/07 6:54:48 PM Central Standard Time, narkspud@hotmail.com writes: > why does HD require the analog audio to be brickwalled at 5 kHz? > I suspect that "in quadrature" means more than just the signal is 90 degrees in relation to the AM carrier. I suspect the phase and amplitude of the extra signal is conditioned such that it is not detectable by an envelope detector. Just a guess. I suppose since the 10 to 15 khz block directly AM modulates the carrier at a relatively high level, those of us with receivers capable of 10 kHz AM response would receive spurious crap on a HD station. KMOX is our HD station and has a very strong signal where I live in the city. I will try tuning it in on the Heath AJ-21 to see what I get. I may need to use a scope as at my advanced age I have very little hearing above 10 khz left if any. I have a Delco Concert II AM Stereo radio in the car that has good extended AM frequency response and I can't hear any extraneous signal on KMOX. I don't know if it uses its syncronous detector on all stations (which I suspect it does), or just when it detects the CQuam pilot tone. If it uses a syncronous detector, it would reject the unwanted quadrature component. By the way, for those in the Midwest and Central Canada, does WLS sometimes broadcast in the evening in mono? I don't always get a stereo detection indicator even with a strong signal. Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Sep 17 22:15:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26342 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2007 05:15:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2007 05:15:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.184) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2007 05:15:43 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2007 05:12:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2007 05:12:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2007 05:12:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 05:12:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.11.121 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=jCE2kZjXdIlZuVex8oGxCRdd6MGl7tHvmHsg1-IqnK2baq1n X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 9/17/07 9:14:32 PM Central Standard Time,=20 > jotape1960@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > >=20 >=20 > I know you have local and region AM stations. I was wondering is any=20 > international SW broadcasters transmit in C-Quam?=20=20 Other than unlicensed broadcasters, none since 1990. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Sep 17 22:19:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44122 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2007 05:19:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2007 05:19:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.113) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2007 05:19:50 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2007 05:18:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2007 05:18:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2007 05:18:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 05:18:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.11.121 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=t3TIp7ZQgUb63xxf1RXQS23NOtOYiDRZ8I6v_4BO52966_W_ X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > [...] I was wondering is any=20 > international SW broadcasters transmit in C-Quam?=20=20 Here's the info I posted before: http://tinyurl.com/38jdb8 Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Sep 18 05:41:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86831 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2007 12:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2007 12:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2007 12:41:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 13282 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Sep 2007 12:40:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 33MmLOcVM1k1b_b7tXP6nNW3JOhwaRMKclmq.yoDdB.Rbsw7bBQzr2837EVNn63CfymjDXxKvXoerBWxxFXgeicmZUIUxhLTzBAmuGIwvbeGRRijKErDWofE8w-- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 05:40:51 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 05:40:51 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <461223.11795.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: WLS-AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=_-u7iCfMqKWl50hK0E6rXPAFeX-l9SwVGCWFVvgpZyCcxyYIguZGfpo X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio MrGrant wrote: "...By the way, for those in the Midwest and Central Canada, does WLS sometimes broadcast in the evening in mono?" Thursday night last week I had them in CQuam, Sunday night they were in HD, and last night they were NOT in HD, so I'm assuming that they were either in CQuam or in plain mono (as I only used the HD radio). John ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ From philipr@irac.pe.ca Tue Sep 18 05:47:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77645 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2007 12:47:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2007 12:47:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.235) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2007 12:47:10 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n24.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2007 12:47:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2007 12:47:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2007 12:47:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:47:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.235 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 142.176.20.3 From: "Phil" Subject: IBOC Dragon Hiss X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723; y=HA803BLTf9xCtjUZWioeb-YAeNBwHCmv-13juZxPsopk0yHFSHKC X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking For the last several nights, I've stayed up way to late listen to=20 IBOC stations on my HD100 hooked up through a balun to a LF=20 Engineering M-601C 22 feet outside the house, yearning for a lock,=20 and evaluating the effects of Dragon Hiss on DXing here in PEI. I've=20 excercised my Drake R8 and Collins R-390A as well. Yes, the Dragon=20 Hiss is annoying here some 700 miles as the crow flies from NYC.=20=20 But, I can still DX under it. I've still pulled in MW stations from=20 Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. A couple times I got PAD=20 data for a few seconds on 660 WFAN. But mostly, it was a flashing=20 blue light on the dozen or so IBOC powerhouses that I can pull in.=20=20 Distant Dragon Hiss is annoying, but nothing compared to light=20 dimmers, touch lamps etc. Which takes me back to the early 80s and the first verse of the following song: Stevie Nicks "Blue Lamp" There Was no Message to Be Found Anywhere in Sight Inside Or Out I Had Looked Everywhere But the Only Lamp Left On in the House Was a Blue Light... a Blue Light And the 2007 digital reprise: There was no lock to be found anywhere in AM land Skywave or groundwave I had tuned everywhere but the only lamp left on in the shack was a blue light... a flashing blue light Phil VY2PR Stratford PEI Canada From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Sep 18 09:41:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41615 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2007 16:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2007 16:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.136.170) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2007 16:41:26 -0000 Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id r.c8c.13d3a489 (37545) for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MBLK-M16 (mblk-m16.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.49]) by cia-mb02.mx.aol.com (v119.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB026-92a946effbd32a6; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:24:51 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:24:51 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 30583 Received: from 198.209.225.228 by MBLK-M16.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.49) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:24:51 -0400 Message-Id: <8C9C8279295FE52-5B4-58F5@MBLK-M16.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.136.49 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=5N9_2y5nAzv3HgsOonlMzK4T8XrpR6MTmwfbMLQDYxL_CTtOb8b-P-EetBXr1VJt X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Amy! Mike -----Original Message----- From: Amy Mousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:18 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > [...] I was wondering is any > international SW broadcasters transmit in C-Quam? Here's the info I posted before: http://tinyurl.com/38jdb8 Amy. <:3 )~~8~ ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Sep 18 09:49:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79484 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2007 16:49:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2007 16:49:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2007 16:49:07 -0000 Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id r.d15.13cd919b (60435) for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail-da18 (webmail-da18.webmail.aol.com [205.188.212.213]) by ciaaol-d01.mail.aol.com (v119.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD014-ec1346efff3516d; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:39:17 -0400 References: <461223.11795.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:39:17 -0400 In-Reply-To: <461223.11795.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 30583 Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-da18.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.213) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:39:17 -0400 Message-Id: <8C9C82996FBC2F6-69C-377A@webmail-da18.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.213 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS-AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=dIXh6OaLZSFzp_1Rrc1Epq4tXeZemghwZ3mFJLvWgDcOnEWmKdvxdihn-W2N0KXd X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, John. Believe it or not, WLS is the only station with a reasonable signal strength here in St. Louis broadcasting in C-Quam.? Sadly, the only music content on WLS now are commercials.? Alot of stations here have AM Stereo capability, they just don't use it.? A small 1 kW daytimer religious broadcaster transmits the pilot tone, but why I don't know as their program material is mono. I can get one or two low power extended band stations at night?that are about 400 miles away which have a music format.? It sounds really good except the fading is bad.? Mike -----Original Message----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 7:40 am Subject: {AMSF} WLS-AM MrGrant wrote: "...By the way, for those in the Midwest and Central Canada, does WLS sometimes broadcast in the evening in mono?" Thursday night last week I had them in CQuam, Sunday night they were in HD, and last night they were NOT in HD, so I'm assuming that they were either in CQuam or in plain mono (as I only used the HD radio). John __________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Tue Sep 18 16:28:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45835 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2007 23:28:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2007 23:28:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2007 23:28:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2007 23:27:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2007 23:27:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:27:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.75.69.80 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=ECIl4sjcwbdSFnPc3tv-3o2PvHEZas8KeVP-w2o9-sc X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi to all...=20 I have read carefully the extensive description of the IBOC A & D=20 signal spectrum as this was described on Tom Ray's replu! And then=20 I 've seen how and when the US AM broadcasting rules for modulation=20 mask have changed!!!=20 Lets take another look at HDs IBOC modulation mask analysis from Tom=20 Ray:=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > ... > The AM signal is composed of three parts, or blocks, of OFDM=20 > carriers. The first block is -45dB down from carrier, and is=20 > located from 0-5kHz, in quadrature with the carrier. The second=20 > block is located from 5-10kHz, is -43dB, and is also in quadrature=20 > with carrier. The third block is located from 10-15kHz, is -28dB=20 > down, and amplitude modulates the carrier.=20=20 >=20 > The block under the audio carries station ID information, timing=20 > information, text information and such. The block from 10-15K=20 > carries the "primary audio", which is the mono audio. The block=20 > from 5-10K carries the stereo information. >=20 > Obviously, if the AM carrier goes away, so does the entire signal. > That is HD transmission in a nutshell. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR Now lets give it a "closer" look!=20 OK?=20 A) "first block is -45dB down from carrier, and is located from 0- 5kHz, in quadrature with the carrier" and, "carries station ID=20 information, timing information, text information and such"! At the 0-5KHz is also the MONO ANALOG modulation. That part is the=20 hybrid part as I will call it.=20=20=20 So this occupies a bandwidth already occupied by the "older" analog=20 systems, mono or stereo (regardless if that is called CQUAM or=20 ISB/KAHN)? Isn't that right?=20=20 B) Now we are moving at the wider spectrum mask of the 5-10KHz from=20 Fc !=20 Here we see "The second block is located from 5-10kHz, and is in=20 quadrature with carrier" and, "carries the stereo information" !=20 Uhmmm! Stereo info is in QUADRATURE and occupies spectrum mask up to=20 10KHz !!! ?=20 So the AM IBOC HD transmitters do occupy a 10KHz spectrum from=20 carrier at least to be stereo! Keep that in mind for later!!!=20 C) "third block is located from 10-15kHz ... and amplitude modulates=20 the carrier" and this "carries the 'primary audio', which is the MONO=20 (!) audio" That is something interesting! There is a second MONO "channel" ALSO=20 Amplitude modulated (yes, I know is OFDM not classic analog AM=20 though), that have BASICALLY THE SAME INFORMATION WE HAD ON THE 0- 5KHz ANALOG PART of the mask!=20 I do believe that the last one will be "transfered" to the lower AM=20 part of 0-5KHz, as soon as the MONO ANALOG MODULATION is completely=20 dismissed. The time for that will be when full HD will be possible,=20 and that is the time when at least the 80% of liteners have receivers=20 that are HD IBOC AM capable! The "Block 1" will still be there as it=20 will be on Q part while the digital MONO will be on the I part, that=20 is occupied for the moment by the ANALOG MONO! The future system will=20 leave the "block 3" unused, or free to be used for other purposes!=20=20=20 =20 Now, here we have our first question!=20 It's a system that DOES HAVE A 0-15KHz MASK or not?=20 If it is so, where's the first benefit we should have with such a=20 digital system, say on spectrum space, from it?=20 IF, and I say it on capital lettering, IF the same spectrum bandwidth=20 was permitted to be used with ANALOG modulation schemes, as is CQUAM,=20 ISB, OR EVEN IN MONO... (!) and IF all the receivers made should=20 have, by strict rules! the ability to accept a 0-15KHz bandwidth at=20 AM band, then WHO will be the one to say and support that the AM Band=20 need a new system for making it look more "high fidelity" on the=20 listener ears, and that will be the "rescue" for the AM ? (!)=20 =20 Now, say that the 15KHz is far to wide for analog systems, which is=20 not, but we assuming that "some" people working the described 15KHz=20 wide HD say it for whatever reason. However we must all accept that a=20 10KHz wide modulation mask is at least good, if not totally=20 acceptable! So a 10KHz analog modulation either stereo or mono could=20 be used, and the receiver makers SHOULD BE FORCED to make them work=20 with it! We could then have EASILLY a VERY GOOD SOUND from AM=20 broadcasts, and occupy EXACTLY THE SAME 10KHz SPECTRUM as the IBOC=20 does for the same, or if you want it, almost the same, result!=20 But there are many benefits from the digital transaction, somebody=20 could say!=20 Yes, we must agree on that :0=20 To name some, the cost for a broadcaster to convert to a digital as I=20 see it is around 50 - 100K or so! And that is without taking in=20 account the yearly based HD fees (as I've read, correct me if I'm=20 wrong) to keep the system running on digital! ?=20=20 Also, there are some hundred millions "old ONLY ANALOG AM" radios now=20 on the US market, even the ones at the stores that are brand new,=20 that aren't digital compatible! Those are a future "waste" item, or=20 better they will be TOTAL GARBAGES soon... Don't know about=20 the "Digitech" guys that see everything as 1 or 0 but I do have a=20 great respect to the enviroment around me, and always try to make=20 the "less harm" on it, especially if there isn't any GREAT & LOGICAL=20 (no meaning digital logics here) REASON to do something that will=20 make more garbages for "nothing"!=20 And reality will show to everyone, that older radios will not=20 dissapear as the logic "1" turns to "0" goes to digitization! We=20 can't even convert them as the decoder system is a propriatery=20 system, closed from public view, and not easily accesible for its=20 system information...=20 DRM for instance isn't like that, at all! Even EU DAB isn't! Why?=20 Think of it...=20 There are more to say, but it's already 2.30 in the morning here,=20 and "morpheus" is coming now...=20=20 Yes, the above look a bit over polarized, but I do like to have a=20 single argument on them, as I do believe that I might be wrong but=20 the dialog is the only way for anyone to conviced me, that we have to=20 do a system changeover to digital for some logical reason, and not=20 making a "system just for the system" at this case!=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris=20 =20=20 From bratina501@msn.com Tue Sep 18 22:14:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47655 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2007 05:14:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2007 05:14:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.104) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2007 05:14:37 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n10.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2007 05:13:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2007 05:13:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2007 05:13:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:13:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.53.236 From: "Nicholas" Subject: Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=YFPYSKkGba4D8r4SqWF2VASrOIH7rvtBG8WM9lCaJ6VrCVdGXQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "mrcomment" =20 > wrote: The unmodulated carrier is=20 > retained". The carrier is used as a reference by the radio for=20 > correct phasing of the modulated components. >=20 interesting, sounds just like the purpose of the 19 KHz pilot tone for FM stereo the tone is not only there to indicate stereo but also to serve as a phase reference for stereo receivers so that the signal can be decoded correctly. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Sep 18 23:06:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8507 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2007 06:06:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2007 06:06:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.104) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2007 06:06:18 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n10.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2007 06:05:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2007 06:05:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2007 06:05:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 06:05:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.117 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=uIl7pFDzw8GONTntVQbjngBn91qctADvUTJKQvYb6wBb-rbIYw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > Hi to all...=20 > I have read carefully the extensive description of the IBOC A & D=20 > signal spectrum as this was described on Tom Ray's replu! And then=20 > I 've seen how and when the US AM broadcasting rules for=20 modulation=20 > mask have changed!!!=20 > Lets take another look at HDs IBOC modulation mask analysis from=20 Tom=20 > Ray:=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > ... > > The AM signal is composed of three parts, or blocks, of OFDM=20 > > carriers. The first block is -45dB down from carrier, and is=20 > > located from 0-5kHz, in quadrature with the carrier. The second=20 > > block is located from 5-10kHz, is -43dB, and is also in=20 quadrature=20 > > with carrier. The third block is located from 10-15kHz, is - 28dB=20 > > down, and amplitude modulates the carrier.=20=20 > >=20 > > The block under the audio carries station ID information, timing=20 > > information, text information and such. The block from 10-15K=20 > > carries the "primary audio", which is the mono audio. The block=20 > > from 5-10K carries the stereo information. > >=20 > > Obviously, if the AM carrier goes away, so does the entire=20 signal. > > That is HD transmission in a nutshell. > >=20 > > Tom Ray > > WOR >=20 > Now lets give it a "closer" look!=20 > OK?=20 > A) "first block is -45dB down from carrier, and is located from 0- > 5kHz, in quadrature with the carrier" and, "carries station ID=20 > information, timing information, text information and such"! > At the 0-5KHz is also the MONO ANALOG modulation. That part is the=20 > hybrid part as I will call it.=20=20=20 > So this occupies a bandwidth already occupied by the "older"=20 analog=20 > systems, mono or stereo (regardless if that is called CQUAM or=20 > ISB/KAHN)? Isn't that right?=20=20 > B) Now we are moving at the wider spectrum mask of the 5-10KHz=20 from=20 > Fc !=20 > Here we see "The second block is located from 5-10kHz, and is in=20 > quadrature with carrier" and, "carries the stereo information" !=20 > Uhmmm! Stereo info is in QUADRATURE and occupies spectrum mask up=20 to=20 > 10KHz !!! ?=20 >=20 > So the AM IBOC HD transmitters do occupy a 10KHz spectrum from=20 > carrier at least to be stereo! Keep that in mind for later!!!=20 >=20 > C) "third block is located from 10-15kHz ... and amplitude=20 modulates=20 > the carrier" and this "carries the 'primary audio', which is the=20 MONO=20 > (!) audio" > That is something interesting! There is a second MONO "channel"=20 ALSO=20 > Amplitude modulated (yes, I know is OFDM not classic analog AM=20 > though), that have BASICALLY THE SAME INFORMATION WE HAD ON THE 0- > 5KHz ANALOG PART of the mask!=20 >=20 > I do believe that the last one will be "transfered" to the lower=20 AM=20 > part of 0-5KHz, as soon as the MONO ANALOG MODULATION is=20 completely=20 > dismissed. The time for that will be when full HD will be=20 possible,=20 > and that is the time when at least the 80% of liteners have=20 receivers=20 > that are HD IBOC AM capable! The "Block 1" will still be there as=20 it=20 > will be on Q part while the digital MONO will be on the I part,=20 that=20 > is occupied for the moment by the ANALOG MONO! The future system=20 will=20 > leave the "block 3" unused, or free to be used for other=20 purposes!=20=20=20 >=20=20 > Now, here we have our first question!=20 > It's a system that DOES HAVE A 0-15KHz MASK or not?=20 >=20 > If it is so, where's the first benefit we should have with such a=20 > digital system, say on spectrum space, from it?=20 >=20 > IF, and I say it on capital lettering, IF the same spectrum=20 bandwidth=20 > was permitted to be used with ANALOG modulation schemes, as is=20 CQUAM,=20 > ISB, OR EVEN IN MONO... (!) and IF all the receivers made should=20 > have, by strict rules! the ability to accept a 0-15KHz bandwidth=20 at=20 > AM band, then WHO will be the one to say and support that the AM=20 Band=20 > need a new system for making it look more "high fidelity" on the=20 > listener ears, and that will be the "rescue" for the AM ? (!)=20 >=20=20 > Now, say that the 15KHz is far to wide for analog systems, which=20 is=20 > not, but we assuming that "some" people working the described=20 15KHz=20 > wide HD say it for whatever reason. However we must all accept=20 that a=20 > 10KHz wide modulation mask is at least good, if not totally=20 > acceptable! So a 10KHz analog modulation either stereo or mono=20 could=20 > be used, and the receiver makers SHOULD BE FORCED to make them=20 work=20 > with it! We could then have EASILLY a VERY GOOD SOUND from AM=20 > broadcasts, and occupy EXACTLY THE SAME 10KHz SPECTRUM as the IBOC=20 > does for the same, or if you want it, almost the same, result!=20 >=20 > But there are many benefits from the digital transaction, somebody=20 > could say!=20 > Yes, we must agree on that :0=20 > To name some, the cost for a broadcaster to convert to a digital=20 as I=20 > see it is around 50 - 100K or so! And that is without taking in=20 > account the yearly based HD fees (as I've read, correct me if I'm=20 > wrong) to keep the system running on digital! ?=20=20 > Also, there are some hundred millions "old ONLY ANALOG AM" radios=20 now=20 > on the US market, even the ones at the stores that are brand new,=20 > that aren't digital compatible! Those are a future "waste" item,=20 or=20 > better they will be TOTAL GARBAGES soon... Don't know about=20 > the "Digitech" guys that see everything as 1 or 0 but I do have a=20 > great respect to the enviroment around me, and always try to make=20 > the "less harm" on it, especially if there isn't any GREAT &=20 LOGICAL=20 > (no meaning digital logics here) REASON to do something that will=20 > make more garbages for "nothing"!=20 > And reality will show to everyone, that older radios will not=20 > dissapear as the logic "1" turns to "0" goes to digitization! We=20 > can't even convert them as the decoder system is a propriatery=20 > system, closed from public view, and not easily accesible for its=20 > system information...=20 > DRM for instance isn't like that, at all! Even EU DAB isn't! Why?=20 > Think of it...=20 > There are more to say, but it's already 2.30 in the morning here,=20 > and "morpheus" is coming now...=20=20 >=20 > Yes, the above look a bit over polarized, but I do like to have a=20 > single argument on them, as I do believe that I might be wrong but=20 > the dialog is the only way for anyone to conviced me, that we have=20 to=20 > do a system changeover to digital for some logical reason, and not=20 > making a "system just for the system" at this case!=20 >=20 > Best regards=20 > Sotiris > Hi Sotiris!!! I absolutely agree with your thoughts but, brother!!! Couldn't you=20 see what is the REAL reason for it? IT IS A JUST A MAKER (Ibiquity) DESESPERATE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO=20 SELL A PRODUCT WHICH WAS OFFERED AS "THE REAL SOLUTION" TO THE AM=20 BAND AND, NOW, THEY KNOW IT IS A COMPLETE FAILURE!!! And... of=20 course, we must to buy the product only because that maker could be=20 dead of "starvation" if we don't buy its product. Hahahahahahaha!!! I have tried to say the same as your words a lot of time before,=20 but, apparently, nodody has heard me. Maybe, now, with your words,=20 there would be more people understanding the very great and real=20 problem here. I think we just need a simple change of the international rules: AN=20 AM BAND WITH AN ANALOG AUDIO BANDWIDTH UP TO 10 KHZ IN THE TXs AND=20=20 THE RXs (forced to have it), MONO OR STEREO!!! This is the only real=20 change we need to "save" the AM band. That's all!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Sep 18 23:40:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89302 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2007 06:40:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2007 06:40:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.244) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2007 06:40:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2007 06:40:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2007 06:40:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 06:40:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.117 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=YiVXuDYQj4i_WfugU4OvwuW1w9ycH9Vc1N2YDnsB7byT6lx01g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 9/17/07 9:14:32 PM Central Standard Time,=20 > jotape1960@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > >=20 >=20 > I know you have local and region AM stations. I was wondering is any=20 > international SW broadcasters transmit in C-Quam?=20=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 > Hi Mike!!! No, I've never heard something about C-QUAM in SW and I guess C-QUAM=20 wouln't work so fine in SW due to the same reason IBOC would be a=20 complete failure, in SW, too: QUADRATURE MODULATION. What? Remember that quadrature modulation is a kind of PHASE modulation (it=20 isn't the same but its behaviour is the same), and any kind of phase=20 modulation used in SW, and MW too, is "under" the minimal propagation=20 conditions in that bands. Why? Well, it is a well known phenomenon the classic FADING effect in that=20 bands. What is the fading effect? Simple: more than one signal are reaching the tuner all the time: one=20 PROBABLY direct and another, or anotherS, ABSOLUTELY non direct=20 (because the MW and SW bands has a very "special" characteristic: it=20 can "bounce" in some special atmospheric layers) SO... the tuner=20 can "to catch" a very good "spaghetti dish" of signals. Of course, the phase relations between all those signals NOT ALWAYS IS=20 EXACTLY THE SAME. So, in one moment we get an strong signal (the sum of=20 signals with near 0=BA of phase difference between them) and, in another=20 moment, we get a very weak, or even inaudible, signal (when the signal=20 are near 180=BA of phase difference). Please, remember this phenomenon is absolutely out from the human=20 control. When we use QUADRATURE MODULATION, we need a very strong and clear=20 tuned carrier because it's the only reference to the decoding system.=20 It's obvious, due to the fading effect, that MW and SW bands isn't the=20 most appropiate bands to use it. So, C-QUAM works, 90% of the times, in MW but I guess it couldn't work=20 in SW more than a 5-10% of the times (specially at nights). I guess=20 it's the same to IBOC but I don't know any about a SW IBOC project. I want to remember that ISB AM STEREO doesn't have this problem because=20 it doesn't use any kind of transmitted phase modulation (the original=20 Kahn system uses phase modulation before the final TX stage only to=20 eliminate the undesirable sidebands but, after it, the final=20 transmitted signal is only a pure in-phase AM signal but with=20 independent sidebands). So, ISB system is the BEST system, even with=20 the fading effect. It is just a memory, hehehehe!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Sep 19 04:55:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17668 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2007 11:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2007 11:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.87) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2007 11:55:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 97308 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Sep 2007 11:54:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 73kuvgIVM1koH8S0KPRobdnqLcHp4.xBBUkN8djX1WEiyE3W2A17_wjeWjp7YxmuaLbEhRhbfeoHTPxj49vSnb1tJzR.RCYtU3mnwYXgy5ZKfwA- Received: from [60.234.196.152] by web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:54:50 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:54:50 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <781208.96859.qm@web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.87 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Fwd: {AMSF} Digest Number 2496 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915; y=MiVKLlO5gCzCVnW8XhxkRB1eJ9T-TwcrrZA3eDjYYB8pFZShCA X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Were lucky here we dont get the hiss but I will try soon as a summer evenings get longer than the dark and dx the ones I can get in the USA like 1120 KPNW i think,1570 and 1580 as theyre clear here and see if they can be heard in NZ. Michael Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From starship_2001@msn.com Wed Sep 19 05:46:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30812 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2007 12:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2007 12:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s41.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.241) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2007 12:45:57 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.136.23]) by bay0-omc3-s41.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:44:15 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:44:15 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.3 by BAY131-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:44:12 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:44:12 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Sep 2007 12:44:15.0857 (UTC) FILETIME=[C9B93E10:01C7FABA] Return-Path: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.241 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS-AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=9PNbe1UA_bLzFP7Hce1_bXaDd_QHUTY7t3e0lvWhysmAS0S82KxhGX5UXQ X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 WLS has doused the CQuam and is running new fangled IBOC at night now. -----Original Message----- From: mjgrant@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 12:39 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS-AM Thanks, John. Believe it or not, WLS is the only station with a reasonable signal strength here in St. Louis broadcasting in C-Quam.? Sadly, the only music content on WLS now are commercials.? Alot of stations here have AM Stereo capability, they just don't use it.? A small 1 kW daytimer religious broadcaster transmits the pilot tone, but why I don't know as their program material is mono. I can get one or two low power extended band stations at night?that are about 400 miles away which have a music format.? It sounds really good except the fading is bad.? Mike -----Original Message----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 7:40 am Subject: {AMSF} WLS-AM MrGrant wrote: "...By the way, for those in the Midwest and Central Canada, does WLS sometimes broadcast in the evening in mono?" Thursday night last week I had them in CQuam, Sunday night they were in HD, and last night they were NOT in HD, so I'm assuming that they were either in CQuam or in plain mono (as I only used the HD radio). John __________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Sep 19 05:50:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54036 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2007 12:50:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2007 12:50:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.161) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2007 12:50:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 66682 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Sep 2007 12:48:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 91D2HzkVM1msoLdZsXvArAi7TyxggmR_.G.mi4jPitwxkjVswon13c5ozTfpzVoT7UmKewjQCKjfM.5LwIV8uK8xV0K8rsNVXW4ZYdaclW_HtpqZKN9nbWDrSw-- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:48:56 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:48:56 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <892269.56144.qm@web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: WLS-AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=1OChDavnnUKQz5pH8nM3G1zpmLG3CRYBhqS83zWcdiL4c7caPRPeOtk X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Mike asked: ".. A 1 kW broadcaster transmits the pilot tone, but why I don't know as their program material is mono..." There's a good reason to do this - on many AM stereo radios, the pilot tone will open up the AM receiver bandwidth, making even mono audio sound even better. I know an engineer that does that after he heard how much better his station sounded on the radio with the wider bandwidth! J ____________________________________________________________________________________ Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Sep 19 05:54:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22746 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2007 12:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2007 12:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.163) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2007 12:54:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 81884 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Sep 2007 12:54:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: EthL3E4VM1l8MFo9RsA3W8FpaP6z2DvbBbF6kIh8hk0IgN32B2CS6eFynVnnQx0iPwmpXblNu3SPnyfWadyUKi6_tGGJiRHvqdyjPDIGdrvd22qC9bWGf2ev.Q-- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:54:12 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:54:12 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <704660.81590.qm@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: ASPiSYS ASMAX-1 in use X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=YrQVNENZEVsZPh1M-3weD5AIRD9AlC-Q5WI5SHHftxvWfWuo-QFoOjE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hi All, I've had the pleasure of using my ASPiSYS AM Stereo CQuam transmitter the past week to transmit XM radio around the house - I'll give you a 'full review' soon. Great little unit to show off how good AM Stereo really can sound! 'Stay-tuned' for more later. John ____________________________________________________________________________________ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Sep 19 06:43:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87379 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2007 13:43:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2007 13:43:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.227) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2007 13:43:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 87118 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Sep 2007 13:43:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wmduZDwVM1n2ElHxi_Na9tn.ZsmnW.qycHjKPN7UFs8QrO6ClV3X5QgqJYMeDgEJV2XRHmefMlDkm3TYQd1Z26.WE9OwASmwpNa4IKDXRN2Sa5SDczmvO0WGzh0HtxqIcVEDykm9mDFjxoBUi8iu1RVXrg-- Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 06:43:36 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 06:43:36 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <477468.87110.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS-AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=kICdbBJZHonJn-GY8dM620H5smyPDJL5O8wkjsj1V1b_sx6vb3XD X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I guess I can remove the 890 preset off my car radio now too. Soon A.M. presets will be: 740 St./WJIB, 1350 St./WINY, 1240/WOON, 530, 530, 530, 530, 530, 530, 530. Or maybe I'll put the T.I.S. station on a preset. It's not like there's much on A.M. around here anyway. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 From bluegto@bellsouth.net Wed Sep 19 08:52:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: bluegto@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82623 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2007 15:52:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2007 15:52:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.215) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2007 15:52:19 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2007 15:51:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2007 15:51:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2007 15:51:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:51:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <477468.87110.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.167.105.218 From: "koolstuff_69" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS-AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=268021812; y=IfupVh6fQwy8Ah-3SYJyhA-PFso2JcNRfMnkVpV1MlAaz315bSXW X-Yahoo-Profile: koolstuff_69 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > I guess I can remove the 890 preset off my car > radio now too. Soon A.M. presets will be: 740 > St./WJIB, 1350 St./WINY, 1240/WOON, 530, 530, > 530, 530, 530, 530, 530. Or maybe I'll put the > T.I.S. station on a preset. It's not like > there's much on A.M. around here anyway. >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 _____________________________________________________________________ _______________ > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone=20 who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=3Dlist&sid=3D396545469 > this is really getting crazy.... they say meaning the IBOC crowd=20 that there are too many AM radio stations in the band but with FM we already have an abundance of FM stations various sizes plus with the HD/IBOC almost all FMs will be able to broadcast two=20 additional channels of programimg and this is just in an local area=20 not to mention the rest of the country. i feel that something is=20 wrong with this picture and to say that the talk format is not good=20 enough for AM and is being used on FM now?=20 i don't understand why an AM station would use the excuse regardless of format that being in stereo is useless especially for a talk format but use a stereo FM for the same thing.... plus with an AM station get better coverage with less power. just my dumb thinking... From tomray@wor710.com Wed Sep 19 09:18:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64856 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2007 16:18:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2007 16:18:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.218) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2007 16:18:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2007 16:17:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2007 16:17:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:17:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.218 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=sO-dHd1wWtfFLSogLQ2FpABJH12Rsvl8hBdeg62pmZwEUdao X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > The AM signal is composed of three parts, or blocks, of OFDM=20 > > carriers. The first block is -45dB down from carrier, and is=20 > > located from 0-5kHz, in quadrature with the carrier. The second=20 > > block is located from 5-10kHz, is -43dB, and is also in=20 quadrature=20 > > with carrier. The third block is located from 10-15kHz, is -28dB=20 > > down, and amplitude modulates the carrier. >=20 > Tom . . . I've been pondering this, and I have a question. Given=20 that the amplitude modulated=20 > block starts at 10 kHz, why does HD require the analog audio to be=20 brickwalled at 5 kHz? > Because of the potential problems that could be caused to the portion=20 of the signal from 5-10kHz. Propagation, reflections, interference,=20 can all cause the AM audio to get into the 5-10kHz sidebands if they=20 were to come out of quadrature. TR From tomray@wor710.com Wed Sep 19 09:27:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50451 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2007 16:27:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2007 16:27:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.247) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2007 16:27:25 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2007 16:23:35 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2007 16:23:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2007 16:23:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:23:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=T5cH1Qhi5K4VptAETlmYUcnTS_OVGbkDmzXGnkF8S6iYORG8 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray You would need to refer to FCC regulations 73.44 for a description of=20 the AM mask. The HD signal fits entirely under the mask. The way=20 the rule is written, you could transmit broadband noise and tailor it=20 to fill in the entire mask area - and you would be legal. Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > Hi to all...=20 > I have read carefully the extensive description of the IBOC A & D=20 > signal spectrum as this was described on Tom Ray's replu! And then=20 > I 've seen how and when the US AM broadcasting rules for modulation=20 > mask have changed!!!=20 > Lets take another look at HDs IBOC modulation mask analysis from=20 Tom=20 > Ray:=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > ... > > The AM signal is composed of three parts, or blocks, of OFDM=20 > > carriers. The first block is -45dB down from carrier, and is=20 > > located from 0-5kHz, in quadrature with the carrier. The second=20 > > block is located from 5-10kHz, is -43dB, and is also in=20 quadrature=20 > > with carrier. The third block is located from 10-15kHz, is -28dB=20 > > down, and amplitude modulates the carrier.=20=20 > >=20 > > The block under the audio carries station ID information, timing=20 > > information, text information and such. The block from 10-15K=20 > > carries the "primary audio", which is the mono audio. The block=20 > > from 5-10K carries the stereo information. > >=20 > > Obviously, if the AM carrier goes away, so does the entire signal. > > That is HD transmission in a nutshell. > >=20 > > Tom Ray > > WOR >=20 > Now lets give it a "closer" look!=20 > OK?=20 > A) "first block is -45dB down from carrier, and is located from 0- > 5kHz, in quadrature with the carrier" and, "carries station ID=20 > information, timing information, text information and such"! > At the 0-5KHz is also the MONO ANALOG modulation. That part is the=20 > hybrid part as I will call it.=20=20=20 > So this occupies a bandwidth already occupied by the "older" analog=20 > systems, mono or stereo (regardless if that is called CQUAM or=20 > ISB/KAHN)? Isn't that right?=20=20 > B) Now we are moving at the wider spectrum mask of the 5-10KHz from=20 > Fc !=20 > Here we see "The second block is located from 5-10kHz, and is in=20 > quadrature with carrier" and, "carries the stereo information" !=20 > Uhmmm! Stereo info is in QUADRATURE and occupies spectrum mask up=20 to=20 > 10KHz !!! ?=20 >=20 > So the AM IBOC HD transmitters do occupy a 10KHz spectrum from=20 > carrier at least to be stereo! Keep that in mind for later!!!=20 >=20 > C) "third block is located from 10-15kHz ... and amplitude=20 modulates=20 > the carrier" and this "carries the 'primary audio', which is the=20 MONO=20 > (!) audio" > That is something interesting! There is a second MONO "channel"=20 ALSO=20 > Amplitude modulated (yes, I know is OFDM not classic analog AM=20 > though), that have BASICALLY THE SAME INFORMATION WE HAD ON THE 0- > 5KHz ANALOG PART of the mask!=20 >=20 > I do believe that the last one will be "transfered" to the lower AM=20 > part of 0-5KHz, as soon as the MONO ANALOG MODULATION is completely=20 > dismissed. The time for that will be when full HD will be possible,=20 > and that is the time when at least the 80% of liteners have=20 receivers=20 > that are HD IBOC AM capable! The "Block 1" will still be there as=20 it=20 > will be on Q part while the digital MONO will be on the I part,=20 that=20 > is occupied for the moment by the ANALOG MONO! The future system=20 will=20 > leave the "block 3" unused, or free to be used for other=20 purposes!=20=20=20 >=20=20 > Now, here we have our first question!=20 > It's a system that DOES HAVE A 0-15KHz MASK or not?=20 >=20 > If it is so, where's the first benefit we should have with such a=20 > digital system, say on spectrum space, from it?=20 >=20 > IF, and I say it on capital lettering, IF the same spectrum=20 bandwidth=20 > was permitted to be used with ANALOG modulation schemes, as is=20 CQUAM,=20 > ISB, OR EVEN IN MONO... (!) and IF all the receivers made should=20 > have, by strict rules! the ability to accept a 0-15KHz bandwidth at=20 > AM band, then WHO will be the one to say and support that the AM=20 Band=20 > need a new system for making it look more "high fidelity" on the=20 > listener ears, and that will be the "rescue" for the AM ? (!)=20 >=20=20 > Now, say that the 15KHz is far to wide for analog systems, which is=20 > not, but we assuming that "some" people working the described 15KHz=20 > wide HD say it for whatever reason. However we must all accept that=20 a=20 > 10KHz wide modulation mask is at least good, if not totally=20 > acceptable! So a 10KHz analog modulation either stereo or mono=20 could=20 > be used, and the receiver makers SHOULD BE FORCED to make them work=20 > with it! We could then have EASILLY a VERY GOOD SOUND from AM=20 > broadcasts, and occupy EXACTLY THE SAME 10KHz SPECTRUM as the IBOC=20 > does for the same, or if you want it, almost the same, result!=20 >=20 > But there are many benefits from the digital transaction, somebody=20 > could say!=20 > Yes, we must agree on that :0=20 > To name some, the cost for a broadcaster to convert to a digital as=20 I=20 > see it is around 50 - 100K or so! And that is without taking in=20 > account the yearly based HD fees (as I've read, correct me if I'm=20 > wrong) to keep the system running on digital! ?=20=20 > Also, there are some hundred millions "old ONLY ANALOG AM" radios=20 now=20 > on the US market, even the ones at the stores that are brand new,=20 > that aren't digital compatible! Those are a future "waste" item, or=20 > better they will be TOTAL GARBAGES soon... Don't know about=20 > the "Digitech" guys that see everything as 1 or 0 but I do have a=20 > great respect to the enviroment around me, and always try to make=20 > the "less harm" on it, especially if there isn't any GREAT &=20 LOGICAL=20 > (no meaning digital logics here) REASON to do something that will=20 > make more garbages for "nothing"!=20 > And reality will show to everyone, that older radios will not=20 > dissapear as the logic "1" turns to "0" goes to digitization! We=20 > can't even convert them as the decoder system is a propriatery=20 > system, closed from public view, and not easily accesible for its=20 > system information...=20 > DRM for instance isn't like that, at all! Even EU DAB isn't! Why?=20 > Think of it...=20 > There are more to say, but it's already 2.30 in the morning here,=20 > and "morpheus" is coming now...=20=20 >=20 > Yes, the above look a bit over polarized, but I do like to have a=20 > single argument on them, as I do believe that I might be wrong but=20 > the dialog is the only way for anyone to conviced me, that we have=20 to=20 > do a system changeover to digital for some logical reason, and not=20 > making a "system just for the system" at this case!=20 >=20 > Best regards=20 > Sotiris > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Sep 19 17:00:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79954 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2007 00:00:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2007 00:00:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2007 00:00:38 -0000 Received: from [64.131.55.13] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20070919185917103171900004> for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:59:17 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001501c7fb1a$43d989c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:59:17 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS-AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=b9QJTTq2oNfVDL48xN7rukym0DgWP9YE88CGGmXfa4x2typbLuvO X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A lot of FM talkers are mono. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: koolstuff_69 i don't understand why an AM station would use the excuse regardless of format that being in stereo is useless especially for a talk format but use a stereo FM for the same thing.... plus with an AM station get better coverage with less power. Visit Your Group Moderator Central An online resource for moderators of Yahoo! Groups. Drive Traffic Sponsored Search can help increase your site traffic. Yahoo! Groups Real Food Group Share recipes and favorite meals. . --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Sep 19 23:46:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86037 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2007 06:46:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2007 06:46:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.220) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2007 06:46:20 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2007 06:46:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2007 06:46:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:46:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.62 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=8kcOoW3amAL7guFwKfhORKMcr1lw8MARKf-EiHfxW9jR6dms4Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > You would need to refer to FCC regulations 73.44 for a description of=20 > the AM mask. The HD signal fits entirely under the mask. The way=20 > the rule is written, you could transmit broadband noise and tailor it=20 > to fill in the entire mask area - and you would be legal. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR >=20 Hi Tom!!! Please man, the central point of Sotiris is: WE ALREADY HAVE RULES AND=20 A SYSTEM TO TRANSMIT A VERY GOOD ANALOG SIGNAL TODAY, SO... WHY DO WE=20 NEED A "NEW" SYSTEM (AS IBOC)? What does an IBOC implementation really mean? MONEY, A LOT OF MONEY!!!=20 Why a today AM broadcaster would have to convert to IBOC if,=20 technically, the today C-QUAM Stereo system works and works so fine in,=20 at least, 90-95% of the times and the mono analog audio system works=20 absolutely good 100% of the times? We just need to get the today tuners improvement!!! I mean: an official=20 rule (signed by the FCC) to FORCE any AM tuner in all over the world to=20 have an 8 kHz MINIMUN audio bandwidth, Mono or Stereo. That's all: US$=20 0 (zero) investment to the today broadcasters and a minimal investment=20 to the tuner makers and the general public audience. Isn't enough good? Of course, the ideal plan would be not only the wider bandwidth, but...=20 at least!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Sep 20 06:17:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70713 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2007 13:17:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2007 13:17:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.232) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2007 13:17:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 65321 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Sep 2007 13:17:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .mAF7f4VM1lNZlb1JUnJEth09qfz6MalkCt6dehqQMjKNzyyw216d7DkpE6640HccwHabnRpxSFKhYcVXSvzkaKU38jfxqDV08_CIXawb2abg2DIcMgLbtbeucircw-- Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:17:39 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:17:39 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <388241.64885.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=H7-Q56d92Fya2E9bjLBsZEEfjOKL-1vFD966pklrffxIQJ9eA3I0 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Scott Todd had a proposal several years ago to mandate all tuners (I guess that already have F.M. stereo) have A.M. stereo as well. It would be a variation of the all-channels T.V. act. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Sep 20 06:39:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98229 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2007 13:39:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2007 13:39:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s33.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.169) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2007 13:39:19 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.27]) by bay0-omc2-s33.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:38:55 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:38:55 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.14 by BLU108-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:38:52 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:38:51 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2007 13:38:55.0725 (UTC) FILETIME=[971721D0:01C7FB8B] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=YuBRPU4X1dUvhngI4mR7fAsr63MtJHi-YmNBvWAhyw5Q1GVvhlv9-9aCwjk X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That petition was submitted to the FCC, myself and at least 2 dozen other people (including Scott Todd and Chris Cuff) and to the best of my knowledge the FCC filed it in "file 13". Maybe if we had included a substantial check it may have seen the light of day. Donn, St. Petersburg -----Original Message----- From: JNR Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 9:17 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . Scott Todd had a proposal several years ago to mandate all tuners (I guess that already have F.M. stereo) have A.M. stereo as well. It would be a variation of the all-channels T.V. act. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Thu Sep 20 07:12:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88993 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2007 14:11:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2007 14:11:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.128) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2007 14:11:12 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2007 14:11:00 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2007 14:11:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2007 14:11:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:11:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.244.26.112 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=ieCy4K-g4kDGwms65Ku8WUTUdTFdZQ5U2V-aj-F6H3U3a5J2 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > >=20 > Hi Tom!!! >=20 > Please man, the central point of Sotiris is: WE ALREADY HAVE RULES=20 AND=20 > A SYSTEM TO TRANSMIT A VERY GOOD ANALOG SIGNAL TODAY, SO... WHY DO=20 WE=20 > NEED A "NEW" SYSTEM (AS IBOC)? The present system is over 85 years old, is prone to noise and=20 distortion, and is not being turned on at all by kids (neither is=20 FM, and that is yet another issue for broadcasters). It's time=20 grandpa retired. He isn't suited for the world today. >=20 > What does an IBOC implementation really mean? MONEY, A LOT OF=20 MONEY!!!=20 > Why a today AM broadcaster would have to convert to IBOC if,=20 > technically, the today C-QUAM Stereo system works and works so=20 fine in,=20 > at least, 90-95% of the times and the mono analog audio system=20 works=20 > absolutely good 100% of the times? Because you still have the noise and distortion that turns people=20 off. We are not just competing with each other today. We are=20 competing with ipods, mp3 players, internet radio. You may be=20 perfectly happy with the sound and performance of analog AM.=20=20 Today's kids are not. Keeping radio in the dinosaur age is a great=20 way to kill it. >=20 > We just need to get the today tuners improvement!!! I mean: an=20 official=20 > rule (signed by the FCC) to FORCE any AM tuner in all over the=20 world to=20 > have an 8 kHz MINIMUN audio bandwidth, Mono or Stereo. That's all:=20 US$=20 > 0 (zero) investment to the today broadcasters and a minimal=20 investment=20 > to the tuner makers and the general public audience. Isn't enough=20 good? The FCC does not mandate tuner specifications. They mandate on the=20 transmit side - they test tuners for spurious emissions. They have=20 no authority to "mandate" tuner bandwidth. What you are proposing=20 would cause manufacturers to simply leave AM out of tuners. Try to=20 force them to put $ into what they consider a losing medium, they=20 will simply drop it. Then what? >=20 > Of course, the ideal plan would be not only the wider bandwidth,=20 but...=20 > at least!!! The ideal plan would be to go all digital from the get go - but=20 that's not going to happen either. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Thu Sep 20 07:14:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23913 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2007 14:14:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2007 14:14:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.23) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2007 14:14:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2007 14:12:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2007 14:12:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:12:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <388241.64885.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.244.26.112 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=1i92WFVG8Xb-ju45UjTqRBTQOCsasO3XRZXIu6l1QbWmUDHb X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Scott Todd had a proposal several years ago to > mandate all tuners (I guess that already have > F.M. stereo) have A.M. stereo as well. It would > be a variation of the all-channels T.V. act. >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 There's a faction that has been trying to get a "continuous tuning"=20 radio spec enacted for ages...in other words, no more having to=20 select AM or FM....you would just keep tuning and the radio would=20 automatically switch depending on where you are on the dial. That=20 hasn't happened either. Tom Ray WOR >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 _____________________________________________________________________ _______________ > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with=20 Yahoo! Autos. > http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html > From tomray@wor710.com Thu Sep 20 07:15:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87008 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2007 14:15:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2007 14:15:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.183) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2007 14:15:35 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2007 14:14:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2007 14:14:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2007 14:14:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:14:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.244.26.112 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=dZgLPMj0F_elVy-s4ifk-bawktDD8vHOooUc6LHH08WS2J4G X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman"=20 wrote: > > That petition was submitted to the FCC, myself and at least 2=20 dozen other people (including Scott Todd and Chris Cuff) and to the=20 best of my knowledge the FCC filed it in "file 13". >=20 > Maybe if we had included a substantial check it may have seen the=20 light of day. >=20 > Donn, > St. Petersburg >=20 Unfortunately, that sounds like a nice way of saying it was placed=20 in the "circular file". Gotta love Fed Speak. Tom Ray WOR From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 20 08:56:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66906 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2007 15:56:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2007 15:56:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.115) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2007 15:56:46 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2007 15:52:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2007 15:52:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2007 15:52:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:52:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.115 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.149.230 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=gZu4OiUIEMdDF0UAQuAhVWj_rFhR0YynXt-OadojM3HiMyaiKIlGJ-g2fQ71Lk8D9R5r7FxG X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 > wrote: > > > >=20 > > Hi Tom!!! > >=20 > > Please man, the central point of Sotiris is: WE ALREADY HAVE=20 RULES=20 > AND=20 > > A SYSTEM TO TRANSMIT A VERY GOOD ANALOG SIGNAL TODAY, SO... WHY=20 DO=20 > WE=20 > > NEED A "NEW" SYSTEM (AS IBOC)? >=20 >=20 > The present system is over 85 years old, is prone to noise and=20 > distortion, and is not being turned on at all by kids (neither is=20 > FM, and that is yet another issue for broadcasters). It's time=20 > grandpa retired. He isn't suited for the world today. >=20 >=20 > >=20 > > What does an IBOC implementation really mean? MONEY, A LOT OF=20 > MONEY!!!=20 > > Why a today AM broadcaster would have to convert to IBOC if,=20 > > technically, the today C-QUAM Stereo system works and works so=20 > fine in,=20 > > at least, 90-95% of the times and the mono analog audio system=20 > works=20 > > absolutely good 100% of the times? >=20 >=20 > Because you still have the noise and distortion that turns people=20 > off. We are not just competing with each other today. We are=20 > competing with ipods, mp3 players, internet radio. You may be=20 > perfectly happy with the sound and performance of analog AM.=20=20 > Today's kids are not. Keeping radio in the dinosaur age is a great=20 > way to kill it. >=20 > >=20 > > We just need to get the today tuners improvement!!! I mean: an=20 > official=20 > > rule (signed by the FCC) to FORCE any AM tuner in all over the=20 > world to=20 > > have an 8 kHz MINIMUN audio bandwidth, Mono or Stereo. That's=20 all:=20 > US$=20 > > 0 (zero) investment to the today broadcasters and a minimal=20 > investment=20 > > to the tuner makers and the general public audience. Isn't enough=20 > good? >=20 >=20 > The FCC does not mandate tuner specifications. They mandate on the=20 > transmit side - they test tuners for spurious emissions. They have=20 > no authority to "mandate" tuner bandwidth. What you are proposing=20 > would cause manufacturers to simply leave AM out of tuners. Try to=20 > force them to put $ into what they consider a losing medium, they=20 > will simply drop it. Then what? >=20 > >=20 > > Of course, the ideal plan would be not only the wider bandwidth,=20 > but...=20 > > at least!!! >=20 > The ideal plan would be to go all digital from the get go - but=20 > that's not going to happen either. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > Hi Tom I guess you have not herd the Sony SRF A300 AM STEREO FM=20 STEREO radio. Its to bad that Sony did'nt market this radio for the=20 USA. If you put this radios audio out to a bigger amp it sounds realy=20 good. I still have not herd AM HD but like I said before some thing=20 that puts out that much noise over the AM band can't be good and now=20 that there is night time use of it it will and can interfear with=20 both analog and AM HD markets. Jim Smith From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Sep 20 10:39:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63004 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2007 17:39:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2007 17:39:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2007 17:39:44 -0000 Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id r.cf9.1b3719f0 (60466) for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail-de20 (webmail-de20.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.41]) by ciaaol-m01.mx.aol.com (v119.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM013-ec3246f2af681da; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:35:37 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:35:37 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 30583 Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-de20.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.41) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:35:37 -0400 Message-Id: <8C9C9C3CA3E91D6-E44-63FB@webmail-de20.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.104.41 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=RtQVkNup_xmurq7DtBl-wQOMP3tqeap_AAL_3YikYHYf8O1aUBxMi8Pn4QaLJjqO X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unfortunately, that sounds like a nice way of saying it was placed in the "circular file". Is that anything like an "X-File"??One should ask themselves if the new-fangled AM technical standards aren't for the purpose of allowing Class 1A clear channel stations to broadcast hidden signals which will be received only by?receivers which have been coverted implanted into alien abductees over the years? I read?a report from the Roswell?site?stating the?county?sheriff who was first on the scene?in 1947 heard Tommy Dorsey's band?with life-like clarity on a station using the ID "AM Stereo 51 - The Crash"?over his two-way.??His radio was subsequently confiscated by the Army Air Corps for reasons of national security. Mike ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Sep 20 10:57:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27979 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2007 17:57:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2007 17:57:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2007 17:57:51 -0000 Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id r.cb9.1b84d236 (34921) for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail-de20 (webmail-de20.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.41]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v119.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA036-886946f2b1c8229; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:45:44 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:45:44 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 30583 Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-de20.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.41) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:45:44 -0400 Message-Id: <8C9C9C534597B55-E44-64CD@webmail-de20.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.104.41 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: What is the AM HD Economic Model? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=rVYPQRi8Mjz5odceRa91Czmu1ym1sUHy9fuI2R2Rfr4fBiWipBBFHKAtivEh_ovD X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Few would disagree with the proposition that full power HD (no analog) is a really neat idea from the technical perspective.? However, what drives the broadcast industry is not the quest for technical sophication, but rather profit.? For good or bad, in the U.S., that's the truth. So what is HD going to be?? Who is going to listen to it?? And most importantly, who is going to pay for it and how? AM radio is already?so badly fragmented with so much dilution with an ever decreasing number of listeners, many stations are no longer profitable.? Consolidation has greatly limited diversity and concentrated ownership and programming control to a handful of corporations.? HD can only make that worse. What nobody is saying, but I see off just over the horizon, is full power HD AM radio will become Pay Radio.? The means are already available to turn on and off subscribers.? It's satellite radio without the satellite. Mike ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Sep 20 11:50:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23886 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2007 18:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2007 18:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2007 18:50:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 30305 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Sep 2007 18:43:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: sNaYRrwVM1n0e.9d7bBEItJ1l.yNVKUFCuRQElgzsZi40aDbgBWb1WMaOo65YsP9mYzTkYYDFQ-- Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:43:34 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:43:34 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <255084.30293.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=CNswiqYzN4sgQjkSk2HoInenxM2YgEfnYu4kdFqXug8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Tom!!! > > > > Please man, the central point of Sotiris is: WE > ALREADY HAVE RULES > AND > > A SYSTEM TO TRANSMIT A VERY GOOD ANALOG SIGNAL > TODAY, SO... WHY DO > WE > > NEED A "NEW" SYSTEM (AS IBOC)? > > > The present system is over 85 years old, is prone to > noise and > distortion, and is not being turned on at all by > kids (neither is > FM, and that is yet another issue for broadcasters). > It's time > grandpa retired. He isn't suited for the world > today. Neither is his grandson, he can't travel far, but he craps in all of his neighbors yard, hides from thunderstorms an other noise... and can't tolerate anyone in his yard or he hides. > > What does an IBOC implementation really mean? > MONEY, A LOT OF > MONEY!!! > > Why a today AM broadcaster would have to convert > to IBOC if, > > technically, the today C-QUAM Stereo system works > and works so > fine in, > > at least, 90-95% of the times and the mono analog > audio system > works > > absolutely good 100% of the times? > > > Because you still have the noise and distortion that > turns people > off. We are not just competing with each other > today. We are > competing with ipods, mp3 players, internet radio. > You may be > perfectly happy with the sound and performance of > analog AM. > Today's kids are not. Keeping radio in the dinosaur > age is a great > way to kill it. Grandpa would sound fine if good radios were designed. Grandson doesn't sound too bad, but not to good. He's a wimp compared to Grandpa unless there's no one within thousands and thousands of miles near his yard. And he actually doesn't talk any different than Grandpa, just a little more fidelity. No one in his young demographic wants to hear him talk, either. They've all given up on radio. > The ideal plan would be to go all digital from the > get go - but that's not going to happen either. It has to or both Grandpa and Grandson starve to death. No exceptions. If it doesn't happen, Bones says..... "He's DEAD, Jim...just like me!" Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Sep 20 13:24:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58147 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2007 20:24:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2007 20:24:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2007 20:24:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 71983 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Sep 2007 18:37:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: TaXcJZ0VM1nKd0BcsOZIHaVkbMc1vgLcW3mxDAo4v0gsYfmh49Ox0vwq3157R7vg3t2mF2WKWg-- Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:37:28 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:37:28 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <626539.71770.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=GqANimJrTCjDIXQDRv7gP3GpFuPEnOUoLcuKAaP4afo X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > You would need to refer to FCC regulations 73.44 for > a description of > the AM mask. The HD signal fits entirely under the > mask. The way > the rule is written, you could transmit broadband > noise and tailor it > to fill in the entire mask area - and you would be > legal. but the rule wasn't written for digital in mind. That's gratuously smarmy. Powell who in actuality has lost ALL of his dependable night radio service on AM. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Sep 20 14:44:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97589 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2007 21:44:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2007 21:44:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2007 21:44:23 -0000 Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id r.cb8.1b8b78c9 (52625) for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail-da06 (webmail-da06.webmail.aol.com [205.188.212.201]) by cia-d12.mx.aol.com (v119.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAD123-cd9146f2e8bc294; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:40:12 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:40:12 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI In-Reply-To: <626539.71770.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 30583 Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-da06.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.201) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:40:11 -0400 Message-Id: <8C9C9E5F5282B0F-794-7841@webmail-da06.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=UmjmERElpLeVvFbL_MvRPLp2KTspZlguDIFFKGu7DHdvRbcQPCNPEABAcX09HT4C X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some 75 years ago, back when the people reclaimed their government from the special interests and incompetence that landed the U.S. in the Great Depression, some brilliant forward thinking civil minded folks were brought into the government.? These people paid more than lip service to the public trust and the government?stewardship over the nation's common wealth.? Among these assets were the nation's airwaves. The concept of how the AM spectrum was allocated was brilliant.? Large metropolitan areas such as New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, which had the economic base to support high quality programming were given allocations for high power stations which could deliver their offerrings not only to their own locales but to vast areas of rural America as well.? A 5kW Class III region station could serve?even a large?metropolitan area.??The AM band could have been allocation that way.? It would have given the metropolitan areas more stations which could have taken in more revenue for their owners.? However, it would have left the rural areas without anything.? In doing what it did, the FCC and its predecessor assured all Americans would have access to high quality programming.? This philosophy was undone in the 1980s.? The promises made by the broadcast industry were never kept.? It was a lobbyist sham. The C-QUAM system, for?its shortcomings, is actually quite clever.? It didn't take anything away from anyone.? Alright, alittle modulation depth, which actually reduced distortion in the?99%+ of?receivers which use envelope detectors.? It provides a very respectable signal with few tradeoffs.? That makes it a good compromise in my opinion. Full signal HD wouldn't just retire Grandpa.? It would shot him in the head and?transport all of us back 80 or more years.? It's technologically advanced for certain.? But as it will be implemented, will it be socially?advanced as well??? I don't mean how the broadcast industry claims it will be implemented (but violently opposes any regulation to hold them to such promises), but how it will actually be implemented. I've already mentioned how the industry took back the?promise it made to get?the reduced signal protection for Class IA stations.? Next came the Extended Band with the promise of all the great stereo AM stations which would occupy it.? What happened to that one?? Now comes HD.? For sixty years or more, the technology has been around to deliver a far better AM signal than is broadcast by the vast majority of AM stations.? The industry deceded it wasn't necessary, and in some instances, not even desireable for business reasons.? Station management, who ultimately makes the decisions,?tends to be drawn from?sales and programming, not engineering.? Having proofs that run flat from 30 to 15,000 hz with less than 1% distortion at 90% modulation are about as meaningful to?General Managers as the?distant signal reports posted over the workbench in the transmitter shed.? Water off a duck's back. We won't have the HD that is being used to tempt us anymore than we have?AM stereo?or high fidelity AM before that. We can learn a thing or two from Grandpa.? Let's not put him away quite as yet. Mike ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Sep 20 15:16:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49524 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2007 22:16:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2007 22:16:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.234) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2007 22:16:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 85254 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Sep 2007 22:16:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: sj9R9k0VM1nX6_ydwcC3NmYu4qbJBwNuqxpdPIF9_I7pDM4dnKelixwujocDdWNiTv55SO.xWPxqqRRpJa2rhgiJ8zy.YQdg4avAJPZmI2G3l74AnBLPffF.aWSQZ2eJ7zv5WwMBAERvWDz4NpzvIU4Nng-- Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:16:10 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:16:10 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <747839.84514.qm@web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=SOaesOkaMFT4ngoLn8FRXgf37uJYTsyJM2IPR4c084d-4aHR5MJY X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio With all due respect, it's the PROGRAMMING that keeps listeners tuned in. I don't see AM IBOC addressing the question "WHY should a listener stay tuned in?" Right, listeners have options today that were science fiction just 20 years ago. Who cares if a ½-hour infomercial sounds great in digital stereo? Unfortunately stations are programmed so lazily that people are turning away. Why listen to the "local" talker when all they do is regurgitate the output of a 5th-tier satellite network? I programmed an A.M. N/T talk once that we turned into a full service station. We got as much top-rank programming as we could (the Red Sox in 2004) instead of the little piddly crap that had been on. We went local, we were making inroads. Unfortunately the owners wanted to shut the station off so another station could pay them off. The station went back down into the much after we left. No one in the community cared how it sounded; they cared about what we were programming. That's not to say that sound quality doesn't matter; I can't listen to '30s' swing because it sounds so horrible. But the A.M. sections on most modern radios are garbage. So who's to say that these new rigs won't sound horrible too? But, people will sit through a staticky, swishy, faraway signal to hear something they want, IF they know about it. Gotta go. Sundown's almost here & you know what that means: let's see who's buzzing! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From pdmtr@yahoo.com Thu Sep 20 16:40:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40749 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2007 23:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2007 23:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.250) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2007 23:39:57 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n29.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2007 23:39:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2007 23:39:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2007 23:39:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:39:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.75.69.80 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=sLSPNg9rNS1_17u2VUWehGo7Sp-F5t4ESgym1ZtHQac X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: =20 >=20 > The FCC does not mandate tuner specifications. They mandate on the=20 > transmit side - they test tuners for spurious emissions. They have=20 > no authority to "mandate" tuner bandwidth. What you are proposing=20 > would cause manufacturers to simply leave AM out of tuners. Try to=20 > force them to put $ into what they consider a losing medium, they=20 > will simply drop it. Then what? ------------- OK lets see here! Bottom side under for start...=20 So FCC does not! mandate receivers/tuners specs required for=20 marketing a device like them in US? Only checking "spurious" ??? :0=20 emmision testings? Sorry for my ignorance of that... I believed that it did, ie. an FM=20 tuner working from 80 - 109MHz with 50uS DE-EMPHASIS, 25, 50 or even=20 wider 100KHz or say 500KHz step, a demodulated audio bandwidth larger=20 than 16KHz or less than 6KHz (as is used on NBFM), an IF bandwidth=20 wider of 250KHz or worst less than 8Khz, a stereo decoder not for the=20 Zenith system, without need for a 19Khz pilot, a specific LO image=20 rejection level, a sensitivity threshold point, OR better an AM MW=20 receiver that will have a 1KHz step or worst an odd 9KHz, 3KHz, 7KHz=20 or if you prefer wider say 11, 13KHz step, not following NRSC de- emphasis curve, without any adjacent cahnnel rejection, neither=20 somekind of LO image rejection, with the sensitivity of a basic=20 crystal radio receiver, and more - more receiver technical=20 specifications weren't allowed to be used on items introduced to US=20 market...=20 Good to know that, exellent that you did knew it... Now you have to=20 tell the manufacturer of radio about it, as every single thing of the=20 above cost them at least a $ !!!=20 If they cut half of them on production they'll have a great bono=20 profit!=20 But then why everybody trying to make their system (for Analog and=20 Diital era) the mandate system? It's only the broadcasters side that=20 it will be regulated after the system selection? Or the regulation=20 will hit stronger at the listener side? If it was only the first then=20 I believe a DAB/DRM/IBOC mulisystem receiver will be easily=20 imported/penetrate the US market without FCC making problems at=20 customs!=20 A mandate system isn't looking to gain from broadcasters side so=20 much. Is the listener side when you look the bottom side under for=20 the request of it! And forgive me all if I'm again wrong, but the=20 regulations technical requirements, for the whatever system used, for=20 DIGITAL RECEIVERS will be much - much costly for the receiver=20 manufacturers than a dol or 2 ! And for those specs I DO STRONGLY=20 BELIEVE the FCC will MANDATE STRONGLY the "digeiver's" side specs!=20=20 =20=20 > The present system is over 85 years old, is prone to noise and=20 > distortion, and is not being turned on at all by kids (neither is=20 > FM, and that is yet another issue for broadcasters). It's time=20 > grandpa retired. He isn't suited for the world today. Kids just don't care anymore for Talk radios, ebdless commercials=20 between the starting and finishing song, etc. MP3's and alike, are=20 their "radios" regardless if the thousand songs they have aren't all=20 ta their "favorites" list... It's just plain music, without "Mr=20 Turnhim Off" breaks every moment or two to say news for the other=20 sid of the globe, or infomercialized them all the time!=20 And Grandpa hasn't retired. Some Mid-age crisis guys try to put him=20 in the cofin before his time... And those are the same one dringing=20 whisky and wine, with "Mr Turnhim Off" every day and probably also=20 night... > Because you still have the noise and distortion that turns people=20 > off. We are not just competing with each other today. We are=20 > competing with ipods, mp3 players, internet radio. You may be=20 > perfectly happy with the sound and performance of analog AM.=20=20 > Today's kids are not. Keeping radio in the dinosaur age is a great=20 > way to kill it. Nobody killed Dino's... If the time comes they will just be=20 distinguished from the earth... Why some guys try so much be the AM=20 radio "Ice-age" prophets, is what worries me...=20 > The ideal plan would be to go all digital from the get go - but=20 > that's not going to happen either. >=20 There was another point that I didn't say previously, as I wanted to=20 see the answer - comments on my posting...=20 The regulation for the <7KHz Tx audio mod bandwidth was done before=20 the Digital era started? Why? After of course the Analog AM Stereo=20 era I think! Quite strange isn't it? First you make it wide (AMAX=20 specs) and suddenly U'r trying to reduce it... If that wasn't a=20 direct hit to Analog AM radio... then nothing else will make grandpa=20 have a stroke again...=20 Thank God, grandpa is strong and alive! From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 20 18:55:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76817 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2007 01:54:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2007 01:54:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.241) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2007 01:54:57 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n26.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 01:54:21 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 01:54:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 01:54:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 01:54:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.241 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.26.54.120 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=g4U6tkmxEYNz_11KDtykyegyyzlY_T8zM3I0Bqf1pfgioO85TQ-UVcTJheNyeNK6jqT9dIRi X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: >=20=20 > >=20 > > The FCC does not mandate tuner specifications. They mandate on=20 the=20 > > transmit side - they test tuners for spurious emissions. They=20 have=20 > > no authority to "mandate" tuner bandwidth. What you are=20 proposing=20 > > would cause manufacturers to simply leave AM out of tuners. Try=20 to=20 > > force them to put $ into what they consider a losing medium, they=20 > > will simply drop it. Then what? >=20 > ------------- > OK lets see here! Bottom side under for start...=20 >=20 > So FCC does not! mandate receivers/tuners specs required for=20 > marketing a device like them in US? Only checking "spurious" ??? :0=20 > emmision testings? > Sorry for my ignorance of that... I believed that it did, ie. an FM=20 > tuner working from 80 - 109MHz with 50uS DE-EMPHASIS, 25, 50 or=20 even=20 > wider 100KHz or say 500KHz step, a demodulated audio bandwidth=20 larger=20 > than 16KHz or less than 6KHz (as is used on NBFM), an IF bandwidth=20 > wider of 250KHz or worst less than 8Khz, a stereo decoder not for=20 the=20 > Zenith system, without need for a 19Khz pilot, a specific LO image=20 > rejection level, a sensitivity threshold point, OR better an AM MW=20 > receiver that will have a 1KHz step or worst an odd 9KHz, 3KHz,=20 7KHz=20 > or if you prefer wider say 11, 13KHz step, not following NRSC de- > emphasis curve, without any adjacent cahnnel rejection, neither=20 > somekind of LO image rejection, with the sensitivity of a basic=20 > crystal radio receiver, and more - more receiver technical=20 > specifications weren't allowed to be used on items introduced to US=20 > market...=20 > Good to know that, exellent that you did knew it... Now you have to=20 > tell the manufacturer of radio about it, as every single thing of=20 the=20 > above cost them at least a $ !!!=20 > If they cut half of them on production they'll have a great bono=20 > profit!=20 > But then why everybody trying to make their system (for Analog and=20 > Diital era) the mandate system? It's only the broadcasters side=20 that=20 > it will be regulated after the system selection? Or the regulation=20 > will hit stronger at the listener side? If it was only the first=20 then=20 > I believe a DAB/DRM/IBOC mulisystem receiver will be easily=20 > imported/penetrate the US market without FCC making problems at=20 > customs!=20 > A mandate system isn't looking to gain from broadcasters side so=20 > much. Is the listener side when you look the bottom side under for=20 > the request of it! And forgive me all if I'm again wrong, but the=20 > regulations technical requirements, for the whatever system used,=20 for=20 > DIGITAL RECEIVERS will be much - much costly for the receiver=20 > manufacturers than a dol or 2 ! And for those specs I DO STRONGLY=20 > BELIEVE the FCC will MANDATE STRONGLY the "digeiver's" side specs!=20=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > > The present system is over 85 years old, is prone to noise and=20 > > distortion, and is not being turned on at all by kids (neither is=20 > > FM, and that is yet another issue for broadcasters). It's time=20 > > grandpa retired. He isn't suited for the world today. >=20 > Kids just don't care anymore for Talk radios, ebdless commercials=20 > between the starting and finishing song, etc. MP3's and alike, are=20 > their "radios" regardless if the thousand songs they have aren't=20 all=20 > ta their "favorites" list... It's just plain music, without "Mr=20 > Turnhim Off" breaks every moment or two to say news for the other=20 > sid of the globe, or infomercialized them all the time!=20 > And Grandpa hasn't retired. Some Mid-age crisis guys try to put him=20 > in the cofin before his time... And those are the same one dringing=20 > whisky and wine, with "Mr Turnhim Off" every day and probably also=20 > night... >=20 > > Because you still have the noise and distortion that turns people=20 > > off. We are not just competing with each other today. We are=20 > > competing with ipods, mp3 players, internet radio. You may be=20 > > perfectly happy with the sound and performance of analog AM.=20=20 > > Today's kids are not. Keeping radio in the dinosaur age is a=20 great=20 > > way to kill it. >=20 > Nobody killed Dino's... If the time comes they will just be=20 > distinguished from the earth... Why some guys try so much be the AM=20 > radio "Ice-age" prophets, is what worries me...=20 >=20 >=20 > > The ideal plan would be to go all digital from the get go - but=20 > > that's not going to happen either. > >=20 > There was another point that I didn't say previously, as I wanted=20 to=20 > see the answer - comments on my posting...=20 > The regulation for the <7KHz Tx audio mod bandwidth was done before=20 > the Digital era started? Why? After of course the Analog AM Stereo=20 > era I think! Quite strange isn't it? First you make it wide (AMAX=20 > specs) and suddenly U'r trying to reduce it... If that wasn't a=20 > direct hit to Analog AM radio... then nothing else will make=20 grandpa=20 > have a stroke again...=20 > Thank God, grandpa is strong and alive! > Hi Sotiris Like you just said but more simpliy broadcast polaticks=20 are a-- backwords in this country. At one time not to long back every=20 body was saying if you nerrow the bandwith you can reduse noise. I=20 can see doing that at night but back to 15khz AM STEREO wide dering=20 the day. Jim Smith From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Sep 20 23:17:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36376 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2007 06:17:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2007 06:17:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.114) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2007 06:17:36 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 06:16:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 06:16:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 06:16:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 06:16:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.46 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=ZjV3r0JIhQP088R3YwDTbaZa4vBH9mmQYyrsH-Rl8ef17J-jkA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > >=20 > The present system is over 85 years old, is prone to noise and=20 > distortion, and is not being turned on at all by kids (neither is=20 > FM, and that is yet another issue for broadcasters). It's time=20 > grandpa retired. He isn't suited for the world today. >=20 It seems to me like an old people killer: WE MUST TO RETIRE AND KILL=20 ALL PEOPLE WITH MORE THAN 70 YEARS OLD ONLY BECAUSE THEY ARE OLD!!!=20 I can't agree with your opinion. My grandma has 88 years old and she=20 is still absolutely "serviceable" and I don't want to kill her!!!=20 Jesus!!! It's the last thing on my mind!!! The radio "grandpa" only would be dead if there would be some=20 really "new" good system, but it isn't so. Excuse me, I'm a moron=20 but I can't see the HD system as a real good "new" system, sorry. >=20 > Because you still have the noise and distortion that turns people=20 > off. We are not just competing with each other today. We are=20 > competing with ipods, mp3 players, internet radio. You may be=20 > perfectly happy with the sound and performance of analog AM.=20=20 > Today's kids are not. Keeping radio in the dinosaur age is a=20 great=20 > way to kill it. >=20 You're wrong my friend, the kids hate the radio (AM or FM) not for a=20 technical reason. Everybody knows the IPODs, MP3 players, REAL=20 Internet Stream or, even, some CDs, have a very bad sound, yes, a=20 very bad sound. OK, without tape hiss noise or vinyl scratch noise,=20 or radio static noise but... IT'S A BAD SOUND!!! It's a compress=20 sound, not natural and... please, if you have heard the kind of=20 music our today kids listen... who needs an hi-fi system? I'm not=20 against the youth art expression but a hip-hop song... is a very bad=20 sound song and any kind of AM station could transmit it without any=20 great problem. I think the most great technical problem to the AM=20 band is about the very good "classical" music (Beethoven, Bach and=20 Co.) because the pianissimo passages are a very hard problem,=20 specially when we live miles away from the TX place. No, Tom, you're=20 wrong: the real reason because the people left the radio out was/is=20 THE VERY BAD PROGRAMMING FORMAT!!! Who wants to hear more than 15=20 minutes a day of news, or more than 20 minutes of "Call now, and you=20 can get a very good discount...", PLEASE!!! And... the worst to me:=20 you are listening your favorite song and, before the song is over,=20 you hear that "inopportune" speaker who says: "This is your favorite=20 station with your favorite music...", COME ON!!! In that moments is=20 when I want to say: "GO TO THE HELL!!!" And I'm sure this is the=20 audience desiree too. This is the real problem, not a technical=20 noise or distortion problem. >=20 > The FCC does not mandate tuner specifications. They mandate on=20 the=20 > transmit side - they test tuners for spurious emissions. They=20 have=20 > no authority to "mandate" tuner bandwidth. What you are proposing=20 > would cause manufacturers to simply leave AM out of tuners. Try=20 to=20 > force them to put $ into what they consider a losing medium, they=20 > will simply drop it. Then what? >=20 I hardly believe your comment because I don't know any kind of tuner=20 miles away from the FCC rules. Even here, in my country, miles away=20 from you, in the poor part of the world, because our politicians are=20 so bad and lazy, they just follow the FCC rules as a GOD's rules. I=20 don't know any kind of today tuners, here, miles away from the=20 typical so bad AM mono section and the very good FM Stereo section.=20 The only one exception to this are my two old and so good Philips AM=20 Stereo radios (from the 80's). Maybe the most FCC members have=20 economical (vested) interests in the FM radio station market? I=20 don't know. But It's so obviously somebody has been playing=20 so "dirty" always "benefitting" the FM band for many, many years. >=20 > The ideal plan would be to go all digital from the get go - but=20 > that's not going to happen either. >=20 The ideal plan would be TO GO BACK TO THE MUSIC!!! Beautiful music,=20 all times music, living music, just music, a very good alliance=20 between the musicians and broadcasters (as it should have always=20 been). At least, let me dream with it, hehehehe!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Sep 20 23:38:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67837 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2007 06:38:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2007 06:38:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.244) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2007 06:38:15 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 06:38:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 06:38:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 06:38:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.46 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=8W4GnIm3Mz21pFQUbkYlY2xBGta6pfKawsOrWZSIXRAkbgwHAw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" =20 wrote: > > > Hi Sotiris Like you just said but more simpliy broadcast polaticks=20 > are a-- backwords in this country. At one time not to long back every=20 > body was saying if you nerrow the bandwith you can reduse noise. I=20 > can see doing that at night but back to 15khz AM STEREO wide dering=20 > the day. Jim Smith > Hi Jim!!! You're right: it's a very good idea to narrow the audio bandwdith to=20 get less noise and it could help to reach more miles away. But... it's a sensitive point to the AM band and I wonder how IBOC=20 thinks to improve it. Practically (I don't know any theory about it), any 1 KW AM TX has=20 a "noise free" coverage area of 15 kms (9 miles aprox), daytime, and 10=20 kms or less (6 miles aprox), nightime. It gives us a serious problem around the background AM band noise:=20 near -12 dBs of listenable noise out from the "noise free" area and=20 raising with the distance. If we think about the fact 90-95% of the TXs are 10-15 kms away from=20 you, then I wonder: If I have -12 dBs of listenable noise, How can I=20 expect decode a digital signal -28 dBs below the reference 100% of=20 modulation? Of course, everybody knows IBOC needs, at least, 10 KWS of pure carrier=20 to be "efficient". BUT... Today, due to our human brain listening system, with only one=20 kilowatts of analog power WE CAN "TOLERATE" SOME NOISE MOST OF THE TIME=20 AND WE CAN "TRANSLATE" THE MESSAGE. What's happen with the IBOC tuners when they can't get "rescue" the=20 digital signal from the background band noise? Simple: THEY DON'T WORK AND PASS THE JOB TO THE OLD "GRANPA" SYSTEM!!! Such a very good invention!!! Sorry guys, I'm a moron, yes: I'm so stupid BUT I CAN'T SEE HOW THIS=20 SYSTEM COULD BE GOOD, SO GOOD, BETTER THAN THE GRANDPA SYSTEM!!! Sorry. Can somebody try to explain it, again, please? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From bob_welch550@yahoo.com Fri Sep 21 02:34:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: bob_welch550@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69590 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2007 09:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2007 09:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.183) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2007 09:34:16 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 09:33:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 09:33:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 09:33:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:33:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: IBOC Dragon Hiss X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213592090; y=Mn8nSK3vC-lQisXliv1Ay479-nPceoOoo6mUUdyp3pHDJlxy42Zg X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Well said.. In Vermont, one would think that I would be in the easy-zone for any=20 50-gallon New York City signal. However, I have been riding around=20 trying in vein to find that sweet spot when I'll get the digital=20 signal and the PSD or PAD to display the call letters on the screen. I can hear Chicago radio stations... WBBM, WGN, and WLS. WJR is in=20 there along with WTIC and every New York station of 50,000 watts.=20=20 Not a single station can decode on my Kenwood HD-100... This said...=20 I'm in Vermont. In analog... WCBS, WABC, and WFAN come through like=20 locals at night... but, aparently not local enough. I wonder how far=20 south I have to go from Barre, VT to get these huge radio stations to=20 click into consistant digital on my radio which is... enabled to=20 receive digital. I assumed that the digital signal would just snap=20 right in being this close to NYC at night... I always thought Vermont=20 was a 50-kw NYC radio station's "backyard" at night. One note about WGY... I was dumbfounded by needing to get to Saratoga=20 Springs before WGY-HD would light up on my radio's display back in=20 May... this of course was in daylight. Perhaps this is a blessing as=20 I love listening to CJAD 800 Montreal... When I'm not listening to=20 WDEV of course...=20 Bob Welch WDEV --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil" wrote: > > For the last several nights, I've stayed up way to late listen to=20 > IBOC stations on my HD100 hooked up through a balun to a LF=20 > Engineering M-601C 22 feet outside the house, yearning for a lock,=20 > and evaluating the effects of Dragon Hiss on DXing here in PEI.=20=20 I've=20 > excercised my Drake R8 and Collins R-390A as well. Yes, the Dragon=20 > Hiss is annoying here some 700 miles as the crow flies from NYC.=20=20 > But, I can still DX under it. I've still pulled in MW stations=20 from=20 > Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. A couple times I got PAD=20 > data for a few seconds on 660 WFAN. But mostly, it was a flashing=20 > blue light on the dozen or so IBOC powerhouses that I can pull in.=20=20 > Distant Dragon Hiss is annoying, but nothing compared to light=20 > dimmers, touch lamps etc. >=20 > Which takes me back to the early 80s and the first verse of the > following song: >=20 > Stevie Nicks "Blue Lamp" >=20 > There Was no Message to Be Found Anywhere in Sight > Inside Or Out > I Had Looked Everywhere But the Only Lamp Left On in the House > Was a Blue Light... a Blue Light >=20 > And the 2007 digital reprise: >=20 > There was no lock to be found anywhere in AM land > Skywave or groundwave > I had tuned everywhere but the only lamp left on in the shack > was a blue light... a flashing blue light >=20 > Phil VY2PR > Stratford PEI Canada > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Sep 21 06:00:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14668 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2007 13:00:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2007 13:00:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.162) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2007 13:00:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 84159 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Sep 2007 13:00:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ESa1ODsVM1n7M2hptKEb4e0VtwJwwH3s5dHrqJLGDiiNMKkE5Xm4mBxd7NHV4sWyme4RZEZrmO_cZdD1ea2EPP7Ifi_R3BmpRLx.RGz9rO0C6YPIDsTs3Ku1Tw-- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 06:00:29 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 06:00:29 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <83006.81471.qm@web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: IBOC Dragon Hiss X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=z1fxloY8BCGKy51mpcPsCaX4mdWB1m0H36xUl3WlkZK5dZx6SR5xTU8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Yep, that's the frustration I have with IBOC at night - it's not strong enough to give me HD from the 50KW clears, but it IS strong enough to mess-up adjacents 2 channels up and down from it. You can't "have your cake and eat it too" - add more digital strength and it improves my HD signal reception, but it upsets 95% of those with analog tuners as their interference increases. It's a no-win situation unless everybody owned an HD radio to replace every one of their analog AM radios. This is very frustrating. Here in Midwest/East - I don't see how IBOC-AM-HD is going to help anyone unless they are very close and very local to their HD station, then it's alright. What to do, what to do? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz From tomray@wor710.com Fri Sep 21 09:15:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29152 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2007 16:15:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2007 16:15:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.253) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2007 16:15:23 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n30.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 16:14:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 16:14:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 16:14:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:14:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <255084.30293.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.253 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=eDiK4eGzl9HrFww7nFsK0-JxeW1qikmZ-8Rgy6loo4UONc_b X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: >>=20 > Neither is his grandson, he can't travel far, but he > craps in all of his neighbors yard, hides from > thunderstorms an other noise... and can't tolerate > anyone in his yard or he hides.=20 Sounds like you're describing my dog! >=20 >=20 > Grandpa would sound fine if good radios were designed. > Grandson doesn't sound too bad, but not to good. He's > a wimp compared to Grandpa unless there's no one > within thousands and thousands of miles near his yard. > And he actually doesn't talk any different than > Grandpa, just a little more fidelity. No one in his > young demographic wants to hear him talk, either. > They've all given up on radio.=20 And that is very sad. If you see a kid today with something stuck=20 in his ear, it's usually connected to an ipod. They don't grab a=20 radio, tune around and listen like we used to! If it doesn't happen, Bones > says..... "He's DEAD, Jim...just like me!" You are SOOOOO bad!! Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Fri Sep 21 09:17:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16122 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2007 16:17:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2007 16:17:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.107) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2007 16:17:22 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n11.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 16:16:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 16:16:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 16:16:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:16:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <626539.71770.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.107 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=kDuWYML6RZ2sbd_9IPRlvgcO8NT_e9uUApD1fJa5OpUdu8RY X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > --- Tom Ray wrote: >=20 > > You would need to refer to FCC regulations 73.44 for > > a description of=20 > > the AM mask. The HD signal fits entirely under the > > mask. The way=20 > > the rule is written, you could transmit broadband > > noise and tailor it=20 > > to fill in the entire mask area - and you would be > > legal. >=20 >=20 > but the rule wasn't written for digital in mind.=20=20 >=20 > That's gratuously smarmy.=20=20 >=20 >=20 No argument. But the rule isn't worded as to its intent....or what=20 was in mind when it was written. It is written so that my=20 description above would be allowable.=20=20 Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Fri Sep 21 09:35:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57469 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2007 16:35:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2007 16:35:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2007 16:35:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 16:35:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 16:35:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:35:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=Y6R88IYH9OpezuxSrj4dSKNBuXQlEahNUmdB9FyPiBNRe-Sy X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: >=20 > The radio "grandpa" only would be dead if there would be some=20 > really "new" good system, but it isn't so. Excuse me, I'm a moron=20 > but I can't see the HD system as a real good "new" system, sorry. You are entitled to your opinion and have expressed it well.=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > You're wrong my friend, the kids hate the radio (AM or FM) not for=20 a=20 > technical reason. Everybody knows the IPODs, MP3 players, REAL=20 > Internet Stream or, even, some CDs, have a very bad sound, yes, a=20 > very bad sound. OK, without tape hiss noise or vinyl scratch=20 noise,=20 > or radio static noise but... IT'S A BAD SOUND!!! It's a compress=20 > sound, not natural and... please, if you have heard the kind of=20 > music our today kids listen... who needs an hi-fi system? I'm not=20 > against the youth art expression but a hip-hop song... is a very=20 bad=20 > sound song and any kind of AM station could transmit it without=20 any=20 > great problem. I think the most great technical problem to the AM=20 > band is about the very good "classical" music (Beethoven, Bach and=20 > Co.) because the pianissimo passages are a very hard problem,=20 > specially when we live miles away from the TX place. No, Tom,=20 you're=20 > wrong: the real reason because the people left the radio out=20 was/is=20 > THE VERY BAD PROGRAMMING FORMAT!!! Who wants to hear more than 15=20 > minutes a day of news, or more than 20 minutes of "Call now, and=20 you=20 > can get a very good discount...", PLEASE!!! And... the worst to=20 me:=20 > you are listening your favorite song and, before the song is over,=20 > you hear that "inopportune" speaker who says: "This is your=20 favorite=20 > station with your favorite music...", COME ON!!! In that moments=20 is=20 > when I want to say: "GO TO THE HELL!!!" And I'm sure this is the=20 > audience desiree too. This is the real problem, not a technical=20 > noise or distortion problem. Unfortunately, you are misinformed. Yes, content is an issue.=20=20 However, my son has a few friends that are rabid NY Yankees fans.=20=20 They will NOT listen to the games on radio. I asked them why -=20 after all, there are just as many commercial breaks on a radio=20 game. They have all said the same thing - "The sound on AM radio=20 sucks". The content is there - they don't like what they're hearing. My son doesn't listen to rap and hip hop. He listens primarily to=20 classic rock and modern rock. He is studying film in college and=20 listens to a good deal of movie soundtracks. He listens to broadway=20 show tunes. He has about 600 CD's in his collection. He listens to=20 Opie and Anthony and several shows on WOR. He listens either on his=20 ipod or XM. His WOR stuff he gets off our web stream. He does not=20 listen to terrestrial radio. He can get the classic rock, modern=20 rock, Opie and Anthony and his WOR programs on terrestrial radio.=20=20 He doesn't like the sound of AM radio, and he can't stand the=20 multipath on FM. He likes the sound of HD radio, and the times he=20 has bummed along when I've had to come to the transmitter after=20 hours during a WOR show he listens to, he has liked what he has=20 heard.=20=20 DXing is simply not a way of life for today's kids. It's time for a=20 change. > I hardly believe your comment because I don't know any kind of=20 tuner=20 > miles away from the FCC rules.=20 Then can you point me to the FCC regulations in regards to tuner=20 specifications? Besides the spurious emissions content? Believe=20 what you want. There is no set of regulations for tuners.=20=20 The radio manufacturers will do what they wish to cut $. And they=20 won't put many research dollars into the AM sections. Been that way=20 for far too many years, my friend. The public's response? "AM=20 sucks".=20=20 The FCC is set up to make laws in regards to transmission for=20 broadcast. They do not have a mandate to specify reception. >=20 > The ideal plan would be TO GO BACK TO THE MUSIC!!! Beautiful=20 music,=20 > all times music, living music, just music, a very good alliance=20 > between the musicians and broadcasters (as it should have always=20 > been). >=20 > At least, let me dream with it, hehehehe!!! Unfortunately, Juan, that's all you can do is dream. While there=20 are AM stations that do play music, they are the minority on the AM=20 band.=20=20 Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Fri Sep 21 09:39:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88443 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2007 16:39:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2007 16:39:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.247) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2007 16:39:09 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 16:38:29 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 16:38:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 16:38:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:38:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.172.197 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=D6oShOc0xBY7YXNUqGEb3qq44zVNr_C4sJnZkBDHmpfYFXqS X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > What's happen with the IBOC tuners when they can't get "rescue"=20 the=20 > digital signal from the background band noise? >=20 > Simple: THEY DON'T WORK AND PASS THE JOB TO THE OLD "GRANPA"=20 SYSTEM!!! >=20 > Such a very good invention!!! That is because it is operating in an interim mode. The alternative=20 is to shut off the analog modulation and go fully digital. The FCC=20 made it clear that there would be no new spectrum for radio. We=20 don't get a different channel assignment like HDTV stations do. And=20 that, in itself, is going to be an issue in 2009.=20=20 Tom Ray WOR From mtgc@hotmail.com Fri Sep 21 09:59:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80209 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2007 16:59:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2007 16:59:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s11.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.147) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2007 16:59:28 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.19.47]) by bay0-omc2-s11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:59:06 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:59:06 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.19.200 by by109fd.bay109.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:59:03 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:59:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2007 16:59:06.0485 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8796A50:01C7FC70] Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" Subject: HD "Good Music" Radio Station List X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=qvwyJyLjzK2eaLYeOOOIQ8PtFAvujLZ9lrNNRHB9s8aNnxMLgXgl X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Out of curiosity, is there a list of any stations that have converted to HD and also play music? By music, I mean programming that is primarily music and not just "bumper" music played between talk programs. MTGC (Michael) From narkspud@hotmail.com Fri Sep 21 10:09:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58083 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2007 17:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2007 17:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.183) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2007 17:09:19 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 17:08:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 17:08:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 17:08:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:08:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.70.167.8 From: "narkspud" Subject: Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=udgHq0OP76GrdKn8fcrpYQeTcVY5MgZvH2JiU5P55a2jcXo X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: >=20 > That is because it is operating in an interim mode. The alternative=20 > is to shut off the analog modulation and go fully digital. > And here we have a catch-22. Digital is proving to be practically useless = in interim mode at=20 night, and the solution you offer is to go 100% digital? Are you an advisor to the Bush administration, by any chance? (It's a JOKE= , people . . . lighten=20 up!) From narkspud@hotmail.com Fri Sep 21 10:09:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6155 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2007 17:09:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2007 17:09:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.244) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2007 17:09:52 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n27.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 17:09:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 17:09:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 17:09:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:09:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.70.167.8 From: "narkspud" Subject: Re: HD "Good Music" Radio Station List X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=xoyRZ3VaMFweAEN6L7EO-Y015HHT4xiy8PnN2JbltUQ2njw X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO"= =20 wrote: > > Out of curiosity, is there a list of any stations that have converted to = HD=20 > and also play music? >=20 > By music, I mean programming that is primarily music and not just "bumper= "=20 > music played between talk programs. >=20 >=20 > MTGC (Michael) > Radio Disney's website would be a good starting place. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 21 10:25:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83753 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2007 17:25:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2007 17:25:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.101) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2007 17:25:27 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n9.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 17:24:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 17:24:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 17:24:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:24:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.25.47.196 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=dD7iu0DLkWhAQD8fjdFfbMuvEICTKOqYev5Z8eE9hpnf7Iv1vJsSPy1D4FDqPtXUvnX7s0XI X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 > wrote: > > > > What's happen with the IBOC tuners when they can't get "rescue"=20 > the=20 > > digital signal from the background band noise? > >=20 > > Simple: THEY DON'T WORK AND PASS THE JOB TO THE OLD "GRANPA"=20 > SYSTEM!!! > >=20 > > Such a very good invention!!! >=20 >=20 > That is because it is operating in an interim mode. The=20 alternative=20 > is to shut off the analog modulation and go fully digital. The FCC=20 > made it clear that there would be no new spectrum for radio. We=20 > don't get a different channel assignment like HDTV stations do.=20=20 And=20 > that, in itself, is going to be an issue in 2009.=20=20 >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > Hi Tom And sadly like HDTV when there some thunder storms or other=20 things like power line noise the HDTV signal mutes out and you have=20 no information to see or hear. So when AM HD gose full digital I am=20 sure its going to be the same way and rural USA will be out of luck=20 in a power outage. Jim Smith From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Sep 21 10:38:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19495 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2007 17:38:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2007 17:38:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2007 17:38:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 68226 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Sep 2007 17:37:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 9yzN3h8VM1mDqodqGx_PFvlay0AH4iLkpj0bl_UkhezbkYG21zVswoEv98jaxFobpxSjUgQlog-- Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:37:43 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:37:43 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <549794.67987.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=6myGNuQpiplBQkuq5Rn3_SLosC1Vwk_HWKp-8ez1bZU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > That is because it is operating in an interim mode. > The alternative > is to shut off the analog modulation and go fully > digital. The FCC > made it clear that there would be no new spectrum > for radio. We > don't get a different channel assignment like HDTV > stations do. And > that, in itself, is going to be an issue in 2009. > > Tom Ray > WOR Lets kill analog in 5 years or else MW is dead. FIVE ! Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Sep 21 11:29:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49916 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2007 18:29:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2007 18:29:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.160) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2007 18:29:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 91505 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Sep 2007 18:29:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: f2KLBu4VM1kS7ioM58G5zr7MFr5E2IiNOcqpLCb0buVrWki.BZxz45ZnymbiCeIL2356nku.2q510eiPDdpeqa4AW6K.Cb8RfPlQ4wYyQ4epuNecg49hJC122g-- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:29:26 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:29:26 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <943055.91218.qm@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: HD-R Radios from Dual X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=_VRq7zvDTKNFmsWMKReavqbU50T_aiA0rFA-nidoujfrRoejxII1GGM X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Wow, I was excited - some reasonable cost HD radios were released yesterday; two from Dual Electronics. Here's the specs for the new Dual XHD6420 and XHD6425 radios that feature these specs: CD Freq. Response: 10Hz-20KHz FM Freq. Response: 30Hz-13KHz FM HD-R FResponse: 30Hz-20KHz AM Freq. Response:240Hz- 3KHz AM HD-R FResponse: 30Hz-4.4KHz AM Sensitivity: 22uV So tell me, how the hell is 4.4KHz for AM-HD "near FM quality"? What crap. The HD boys shouldn't let them sell crap like this. The AM sensitivity is for s**t too. I thought the idea was to make a better AM radio when HD was involved? My 1992 GM Delco radio has better AM frequency response and sensitivity! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. 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Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri Sep 21 11:46:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96004 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2007 18:46:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2007 18:46:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.253) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2007 18:46:57 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n30.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 18:46:22 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 18:46:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 18:46:22 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:46:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.253 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.203.49.148 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=86L402F7andsBUTEqVMAmgNSO5V_x1IHM03SP8ZYbHY X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr There is an interesting reading for anyone that believes that the=20 tuner/receivers side isn't under any regulations for the specs!=20 Please do read the following, and give extra attention to the last=20 two paragraphs at the end of it... See also the signee of the=20 posting...=20 http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermail/broadcast/2006- March/029544.html=20 Always getting more & more intersting, who tries to kill old=20 grandpa... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: >=20=20 > >=20 > > The FCC does not mandate tuner specifications. They mandate on=20 the=20 > > transmit side - they test tuners for spurious emissions. They=20 have=20 > > no authority to "mandate" tuner bandwidth. What you are=20 proposing=20 > > would cause manufacturers to simply leave AM out of tuners. Try=20 to=20 > > force them to put $ into what they consider a losing medium, they=20 > > will simply drop it. Then what? >=20 > ------------- > OK lets see here! Bottom side under for start...=20 >=20 > So FCC does not! mandate receivers/tuners specs required for=20 > marketing a device like them in US? Only checking "spurious" ??? :0=20 > emmision testings? > Sorry for my ignorance of that... I believed that it did, ie. an FM=20 > tuner working from 80 - 109MHz with 50uS DE-EMPHASIS, 25, 50 or=20 even=20 > wider 100KHz or say 500KHz step, a demodulated audio bandwidth=20 larger=20 > than 16KHz or less than 6KHz (as is used on NBFM), an IF bandwidth=20 > wider of 250KHz or worst less than 8Khz, a stereo decoder not for=20 the=20 > Zenith system, without need for a 19Khz pilot, a specific LO image=20 > rejection level, a sensitivity threshold point, OR better an AM MW=20 > receiver that will have a 1KHz step or worst an odd 9KHz, 3KHz,=20 7KHz=20 > or if you prefer wider say 11, 13KHz step, not following NRSC de- > emphasis curve, without any adjacent cahnnel rejection, neither=20 > somekind of LO image rejection, with the sensitivity of a basic=20 > crystal radio receiver, and more - more receiver technical=20 > specifications weren't allowed to be used on items introduced to US=20 > market...=20 > Good to know that, exellent that you did knew it... Now you have to=20 > tell the manufacturer of radio about it, as every single thing of=20 the=20 > above cost them at least a $ !!!=20 > If they cut half of them on production they'll have a great bono=20 > profit!=20 > But then why everybody trying to make their system (for Analog and=20 > Diital era) the mandate system? It's only the broadcasters side=20 that=20 > it will be regulated after the system selection? Or the regulation=20 > will hit stronger at the listener side? If it was only the first=20 then=20 > I believe a DAB/DRM/IBOC mulisystem receiver will be easily=20 > imported/penetrate the US market without FCC making problems at=20 > customs!=20 > A mandate system isn't looking to gain from broadcasters side so=20 > much. Is the listener side when you look the bottom side under for=20 > the request of it! And forgive me all if I'm again wrong, but the=20 > regulations technical requirements, for the whatever system used,=20 for=20 > DIGITAL RECEIVERS will be much - much costly for the receiver=20 > manufacturers than a dol or 2 ! And for those specs I DO STRONGLY=20 > BELIEVE the FCC will MANDATE STRONGLY the "digeiver's" side specs!=20=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > > The present system is over 85 years old, is prone to noise and=20 > > distortion, and is not being turned on at all by kids (neither is=20 > > FM, and that is yet another issue for broadcasters). It's time=20 > > grandpa retired. He isn't suited for the world today. >=20 > Kids just don't care anymore for Talk radios, ebdless commercials=20 > between the starting and finishing song, etc. MP3's and alike, are=20 > their "radios" regardless if the thousand songs they have aren't=20 all=20 > ta their "favorites" list... It's just plain music, without "Mr=20 > Turnhim Off" breaks every moment or two to say news for the other=20 > sid of the globe, or infomercialized them all the time!=20 > And Grandpa hasn't retired. Some Mid-age crisis guys try to put him=20 > in the cofin before his time... And those are the same one dringing=20 > whisky and wine, with "Mr Turnhim Off" every day and probably also=20 > night... >=20 > > Because you still have the noise and distortion that turns people=20 > > off. We are not just competing with each other today. We are=20 > > competing with ipods, mp3 players, internet radio. You may be=20 > > perfectly happy with the sound and performance of analog AM.=20=20 > > Today's kids are not. Keeping radio in the dinosaur age is a=20 great=20 > > way to kill it. >=20 > Nobody killed Dino's... If the time comes they will just be=20 > distinguished from the earth... Why some guys try so much be the AM=20 > radio "Ice-age" prophets, is what worries me...=20 >=20 >=20 > > The ideal plan would be to go all digital from the get go - but=20 > > that's not going to happen either. > >=20 > There was another point that I didn't say previously, as I wanted=20 to=20 > see the answer - comments on my posting...=20 > The regulation for the <7KHz Tx audio mod bandwidth was done before=20 > the Digital era started? Why? After of course the Analog AM Stereo=20 > era I think! Quite strange isn't it? First you make it wide (AMAX=20 > specs) and suddenly U'r trying to reduce it... If that wasn't a=20 > direct hit to Analog AM radio... then nothing else will make=20 grandpa=20 > have a stroke again...=20 > Thank God, grandpa is strong and alive! > From narkspud@hotmail.com Fri Sep 21 12:13:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65965 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2007 19:13:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2007 19:13:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.114) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2007 19:13:51 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 19:12:23 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 19:12:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 19:12:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:12:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.70.167.8 From: "narkspud" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=vH-gblMZuWlXmgeXZEMWZ4HMeZ2tPW-p9zadId8Js-mm870 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > There is an interesting reading for anyone that believes that the=20 > tuner/receivers side isn't under any regulations for the specs!=20 > Please do read the following, and give extra attention to the last=20 > two paragraphs at the end of it... See also the signee of the=20 > posting...=20 Ummm . . . where in there does it say anything about regulations? The NRSC= standards were=20 always voluntary, and very few radios followed them, then or now. The NRSC= itself is not a=20 government agency, and doesn't regulate anything. If I've missed something, you should quote it.=20=20 And although I'm no fan of HD on AM, I still think you might want to calm d= own a bit. It=20 would make your posts a bit easier to take seriously. It's just radio, not= nuclear proliferation=20 or something. From narkspud@hotmail.com Fri Sep 21 12:16:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42871 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2007 19:16:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2007 19:16:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.238) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2007 19:16:43 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n25.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 19:16:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 19:16:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 19:16:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:16:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <943055.91218.qm@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.238 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.70.167.8 From: "narkspud" Subject: Re: HD-R Radios from Dual X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=-VDLNSPaTnoN4XTgCEa-CDY2_8RePW2bMdoxraOauDhcrro X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > AM HD-R FResponse: 30Hz-4.4KHz > AM Sensitivity: 22uV >=20 > So tell me, how the hell is 4.4KHz for AM-HD "near FM quality"? What > crap. The HD boys shouldn't let them sell crap like this. The AM > sensitivity is for s**t too. I thought the idea was to make a better > AM radio when HD was involved? My 1992 GM Delco radio has better AM > frequency response and sensitivity! That's GOT to be a mistake. Once the HD signal is retrieved, the codec is = the same. Unless=20 they're deliberately killing off the highs to hide the artifacts (and I alm= ost wouldn't blame=20 them), and even then, cutting it that much is overkill. From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri Sep 21 12:35:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28128 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2007 19:35:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2007 19:35:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.184) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2007 19:35:48 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 19:35:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 19:35:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 19:35:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:35:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.203.49.148 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=fu5dR6Em8oraQpnhRBETRjhZj3OSsjfoMrvnJLkLE_E X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 Yes, it looks like a bit overexpressed...=20 Well the point is that all the regulations to the broadcasters side=20 are coming qyite soon as a "standard' to receiver makers... And that=20 is related to a quite strange comment that said that "if somebody=20 regulates the receivers, manufacturers will just throw away the AM=20 part on them to avoid follow regulations for it, for a $ or say 2...=20 The Bob Orban said something that make obvious how broadcating=20 regulations affect receivers side, and the opposite also!=20 ----- "... My recollection is that I was the person who first proposed the=20 10 kHz audio bandwidth limitation, brokering a compromise between=20 broadcasters on the committee (who wanted 15 kHz) and receiver=20 manufacturers (who were heavily lobbying for a European-style 5 kHz=20 limitation to eliminate all first-adjacent interference). (As an=20 aside, the "modified 75us preemphasis" was first proposed by Greg=20 Buchwald of Motorola.)... "=20 ----- --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > > > There is an interesting reading for anyone that believes that the=20 > > tuner/receivers side isn't under any regulations for the specs!=20 > > Please do read the following, and give extra attention to the=20 last=20 > > two paragraphs at the end of it... See also the signee of the=20 > > posting...=20 >=20 > Ummm . . . where in there does it say anything about regulations?=20=20 The NRSC standards were=20 > always voluntary, and very few radios followed them, then or now.=20=20 The NRSC itself is not a=20 > government agency, and doesn't regulate anything. >=20 > If I've missed something, you should quote it.=20=20 >=20 > And although I'm no fan of HD on AM, I still think you might want=20 to calm down a bit. It=20 > would make your posts a bit easier to take seriously. It's just=20 radio, not nuclear proliferation=20 > or something. > From narkspud@hotmail.com Fri Sep 21 12:50:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7071 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2007 19:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2007 19:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.208) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2007 19:50:49 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 19:50:46 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 19:50:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 19:50:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:50:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.70.167.8 From: "narkspud" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=Huwk39PuYYWXC5disdDqbFwJWY69-ZIenlYUJyVGJeNGA5A X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > >And that=20 > is related to a quite strange comment that said that "if somebody=20 > regulates the receivers, manufacturers will just throw away the AM=20 > part on them to avoid follow regulations for it, for a $ or say 2...=20 The comment is absolutely correct, though. If the cost of including AM goe= s up, the=20 manufacturers will re-evaluate whether including it is worth the extra expe= nse. A fairly high=20 percentage of radio buyers couldn't care less if AM was included or not, an= d then there are=20 others that won't buy the radio without AM. If the cost of including AM in a particular model exceeds the amount of pro= fits from those=20 customers who insist on it, then AM won't be included. Simple economics. = Manufacturers=20 won't include any feature out of the goodness of their hearts. It has to b= e profitable. From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri Sep 21 13:01:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54775 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2007 20:01:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2007 20:01:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.128) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2007 20:01:35 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 20:00:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 20:00:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 20:00:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:00:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.203.49.148 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=mknfR06Y0ez-9BRF9yhPYh54LLbScvo_mimiP57Ejss X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Exactly! So... The same comment should stand also for added cost to=20 make a radio for HDAM, or not? :)=20 However you're totally right that the listeners market will drive the=20 following self regulations for radio makers... And thats the real=20 conclusion... either that be HDAM, or Analog AM (stereo or not!). --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > The comment is absolutely correct, though. If the cost of=20 including AM goes up, the=20 > manufacturers will re-evaluate whether including it is worth the=20 extra expense. A fairly high=20 > percentage of radio buyers couldn't care less if AM was included or=20 not, and then there are=20 > others that won't buy the radio without AM. >=20 > If the cost of including AM in a particular model exceeds the=20 amount of profits from those=20 > customers who insist on it, then AM won't be included. Simple=20 economics. Manufacturers=20 > won't include any feature out of the goodness of their hearts. It=20 has to be profitable. > From starship_2001@msn.com Fri Sep 21 14:33:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86398 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2007 21:33:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2007 21:33:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s36.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.172) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2007 21:33:25 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.136.24]) by bay0-omc2-s36.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:32:05 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:32:05 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.5 by BAY131-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:32:01 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:32:01 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2007 21:32:05.0383 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB0EE970:01C7FC96] Return-Path: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=OvHZhxJWcqVN12keHkxsC_kWk5aYReB6tdurK9yhJZwe2LWL_9iidmT3mw X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 I wish SOMEBODY would run a test in digital only mode . I would like to see (or hear) this grandson perform or not. HINT HINT HINT. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Ray Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 12:38 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > What's happen with the IBOC tuners when they can't get "rescue" the > digital signal from the background band noise? > > Simple: THEY DON'T WORK AND PASS THE JOB TO THE OLD "GRANPA" SYSTEM!!! > > Such a very good invention!!! That is because it is operating in an interim mode. The alternative is to shut off the analog modulation and go fully digital. The FCC made it clear that there would be no new spectrum for radio. We don't get a different channel assignment like HDTV stations do. And that, in itself, is going to be an issue in 2009. Tom Ray WOR Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Sep 21 14:34:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5277 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2007 21:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2007 21:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao105.cox.net) (68.230.241.41) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2007 21:34:56 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070921213356.KPQA23261.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:33:56 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.225.240.86]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id r9Zu1X00U1sYu840000000; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:33:55 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <8A0B5ACD-28D0-47D4-80E9-D20BCEC4DD20@cox.net> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:33:54 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=ZsD8pCaxFbjbpxNcS2LX3oQ0ztlnrNJYNxqFNYC2W6420AKcqfrhfXYQ7j_K X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Which is why AM HD is a decent thing in a way. It goes along for the ride with FM HD. On Sep 21, 2007, at 12:50 PM, narkspud wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > > >And that > > is related to a quite strange comment that said that "if somebody > > regulates the receivers, manufacturers will just throw away the AM > > part on them to avoid follow regulations for it, for a $ or say 2... > > The comment is absolutely correct, though. If the cost of including > AM goes up, the > manufacturers will re-evaluate whether including it is worth the > extra expense. A fairly high > percentage of radio buyers couldn't care less if AM was included or > not, and then there are > others that won't buy the radio without AM. > > If the cost of including AM in a particular model exceeds the > amount of profits from those > customers who insist on it, then AM won't be included. Simple > economics. Manufacturers > won't include any feature out of the goodness of their hearts. It > has to be profitable. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Sep 21 14:48:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31770 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2007 21:48:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2007 21:48:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2007 21:48:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 12812 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Sep 2007 21:47:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: djOfcvAVM1ld.OkjvyI4EK3_9sJ5MhTDmzFUvHIrmD9RVTKvyl4wOdx8xvOwRXI8TiOhx7MzYQ-- Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:47:48 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:47:48 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <494585.12699.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=p6LpJsDQDQ63jaxpRTbTs5luGjl06xEcSsIPmCxckgs X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- narkspud wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" > wrote: > > > >And that > > is related to a quite strange comment that said > that "if somebody > > regulates the receivers, manufacturers will just > throw away the AM > > part on them to avoid follow regulations for it, > for a $ or say 2... > > The comment is absolutely correct, though. If the > cost of including AM goes up, the > manufacturers will re-evaluate whether including it > is worth the extra expense. A fairly high > percentage of radio buyers couldn't care less if AM > was included or not, and then there are > others that won't buy the radio without AM. > > If the cost of including AM in a particular model > exceeds the amount of profits from those > customers who insist on it, then AM won't be > included. Simple economics. Manufacturers > won't include any feature out of the goodness of > their hearts. It has to be profitable. There was a law that a radio HAD to have both bands. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Sep 21 14:49:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27274 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2007 21:49:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2007 21:49:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.160) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2007 21:49:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 43856 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Sep 2007 21:49:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: yS0YLlkVM1ncFMEXenJ54PAPINXArbaEQ39CvGG2A2iat7EY97YTDsKAcG4TXVk.4g-- Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:49:28 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:49:28 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <884440.40788.qm@web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=rqPt-zDifERn9Tb8Ksc88apMIT3k0WIE4fsjDQSs8WE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Norbert 26 wrote: > I wish SOMEBODY would run a test in digital only > mode . I would like to see (or hear) this grandson > perform or not. HINT HINT HINT. I don't know about BE, but Tom Ray says the current version of the Harris software does NOT allow this mode. Earlier versions of the BE for their exciter did allow all digital mode. WCOS 1400 accidentally got put in that mode one night. Unfortunately at the time nobody had receivers. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From starship_2001@msn.com Fri Sep 21 14:57:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5119 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2007 21:57:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2007 21:57:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s34.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.106) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2007 21:57:27 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.136.14]) by bay0-omc1-s34.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:57:05 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:57:05 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.5 by BAY131-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:57:04 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:57:04 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2007 21:57:05.0870 (UTC) FILETIME=[596B0EE0:01C7FC9A] Return-Path: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.106 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC Dragon Hiss X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=NeNDOr6x1yQi7kh-w3PsdalxQxMr6ZGZLGizbPGzwNtxZjyetmkd0ozycg X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 To add to the frustration its not just replace stand alone analog radios. Analog radios are built into other things.......and are STILL being made and sold in stores. Analog radios are bundled into CD players, boomboxes, stereos, and most important car dash boards. The car dash board is especally a problem. Cars continue to roll out of production only having analog radios in most cases. It is up to the cars owner to rip the radio out and install an aftermarket one. There is a major problem with this in many cases. Many cars have different car controls intergrated with the radio making tearing it out not an attractive option. Many car owners refuse to rip the radio out as they consider it part of the car. The other problem is car leasing . Replacing these type units poses a problem. -----Original Message----- From: John P. Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 9:00 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC Dragon Hiss Yep, that's the frustration I have with IBOC at night - it's not strong enough to give me HD from the 50KW clears, but it IS strong enough to mess-up adjacents 2 channels up and down from it. You can't "have your cake and eat it too" - add more digital strength and it improves my HD signal reception, but it upsets 95% of those with analog tuners as their interference increases. It's a no-win situation unless everybody owned an HD radio to replace every one of their analog AM radios. This is very frustrating. Here in Midwest/East - I don't see how IBOC-AM-HD is going to help anyone unless they are very close and very local to their HD station, then it's alright. What to do, what to do? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 21 16:31:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61820 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2007 23:31:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2007 23:31:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.112) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2007 23:31:30 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 23:30:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 23:30:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 23:30:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 23:30:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.38.63.29 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=5Cc_KjwWUhiktopyF5IJEDdFP1VtKVWCH-v5Zvz8iwDmwPjuH_yIugXYcGgDfjuS5Y_y-Sbe X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" =20 > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Sotiris Like you just said but more simpliy broadcast=20 polaticks=20 > > are a-- backwords in this country. At one time not to long back=20 every=20 > > body was saying if you nerrow the bandwith you can reduse noise.=20 I=20 > > can see doing that at night but back to 15khz AM STEREO wide=20 dering=20 > > the day. Jim Smith > > >=20 > Hi Jim!!! >=20 > You're right: it's a very good idea to narrow the audio bandwdith=20 to=20 > get less noise and it could help to reach more miles away. >=20 > But... it's a sensitive point to the AM band and I wonder how IBOC=20 > thinks to improve it. >=20 > Practically (I don't know any theory about it), any 1 KW AM TX has=20 > a "noise free" coverage area of 15 kms (9 miles aprox), daytime,=20 and 10=20 > kms or less (6 miles aprox), nightime. >=20 > It gives us a serious problem around the background AM band noise:=20 > near -12 dBs of listenable noise out from the "noise free" area and=20 > raising with the distance. >=20 > If we think about the fact 90-95% of the TXs are 10-15 kms away=20 from=20 > you, then I wonder: If I have -12 dBs of listenable noise, How can=20 I=20 > expect decode a digital signal -28 dBs below the reference 100% of=20 > modulation? >=20 > Of course, everybody knows IBOC needs, at least, 10 KWS of pure=20 carrier=20 > to be "efficient". >=20 > BUT... Today, due to our human brain listening system, with only=20 one=20 > kilowatts of analog power WE CAN "TOLERATE" SOME NOISE MOST OF THE=20 TIME=20 > AND WE CAN "TRANSLATE" THE MESSAGE. >=20 > What's happen with the IBOC tuners when they can't get "rescue" the=20 > digital signal from the background band noise? >=20 > Simple: THEY DON'T WORK AND PASS THE JOB TO THE OLD "GRANPA"=20 SYSTEM!!! >=20 > Such a very good invention!!! >=20 > Sorry guys, I'm a moron, yes: I'm so stupid BUT I CAN'T SEE HOW=20 THIS=20 > SYSTEM COULD BE GOOD, SO GOOD, BETTER THAN THE GRANDPA SYSTEM!!!=20 Sorry. >=20 > Can somebody try to explain it, again, please? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > Hi Jaun Yes I toldly agree with you. ONE More noise on the AM band=20 is not good. TWO This is what my frend said to me about digital and=20 analog amps. He said that analog tube amps can give you the full=20 wave of audio unlike the digital will color in the wave. So yes I do=20 and have liked analog FM and AM for a long time. Jim Smith From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 21 16:37:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88421 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2007 23:37:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2007 23:37:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11e.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.71) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2007 23:37:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 23:37:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2007 23:37:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 23:37:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.38.63.29 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: IBOC Dragon Hiss X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=4MoWI6bUT-vXtRqfH0T-FC6oOvgFH1cIV-F8yiU9NLza5MgGu2NODC4s3QN_Oe3FLUHhvDSE X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Welch" =20 wrote: > > Well said.. >=20 > In Vermont, one would think that I would be in the easy-zone for=20 any=20 > 50-gallon New York City signal. However, I have been riding around=20 > trying in vein to find that sweet spot when I'll get the digital=20 > signal and the PSD or PAD to display the call letters on the screen. >=20 > I can hear Chicago radio stations... WBBM, WGN, and WLS. WJR is in=20 > there along with WTIC and every New York station of 50,000 watts.=20=20 > Not a single station can decode on my Kenwood HD-100... This=20 said...=20 > I'm in Vermont. In analog... WCBS, WABC, and WFAN come through=20 like=20 > locals at night... but, aparently not local enough. I wonder how=20 far=20 > south I have to go from Barre, VT to get these huge radio stations=20 to=20 > click into consistant digital on my radio which is... enabled to=20 > receive digital. I assumed that the digital signal would just snap=20 > right in being this close to NYC at night... I always thought=20 Vermont=20 > was a 50-kw NYC radio station's "backyard" at night. >=20 > One note about WGY... I was dumbfounded by needing to get to=20 Saratoga=20 > Springs before WGY-HD would light up on my radio's display back in=20 > May... this of course was in daylight. Perhaps this is a blessing=20 as=20 > I love listening to CJAD 800 Montreal... When I'm not listening to=20 > WDEV of course...=20 >=20 > Bob Welch > WDEV >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil" wrote: > > > > For the last several nights, I've stayed up way to late listen to=20 > > IBOC stations on my HD100 hooked up through a balun to a LF=20 > > Engineering M-601C 22 feet outside the house, yearning for a=20 lock,=20 > > and evaluating the effects of Dragon Hiss on DXing here in PEI.=20=20 > I've=20 > > excercised my Drake R8 and Collins R-390A as well. Yes, the=20 Dragon=20 > > Hiss is annoying here some 700 miles as the crow flies from NYC.=20=20 > > But, I can still DX under it. I've still pulled in MW stations=20 > from=20 > > Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. A couple times I got=20 PAD=20 > > data for a few seconds on 660 WFAN. But mostly, it was a flashing=20 > > blue light on the dozen or so IBOC powerhouses that I can pull=20 in.=20=20 > > Distant Dragon Hiss is annoying, but nothing compared to light=20 > > dimmers, touch lamps etc. > >=20 > > Which takes me back to the early 80s and the first verse of the > > following song: > >=20 > > Stevie Nicks "Blue Lamp" > >=20 > > There Was no Message to Be Found Anywhere in Sight > > Inside Or Out > > I Had Looked Everywhere But the Only Lamp Left On in the House > > Was a Blue Light... a Blue Light > >=20 > > And the 2007 digital reprise: > >=20 > > There was no lock to be found anywhere in AM land > > Skywave or groundwave > > I had tuned everywhere but the only lamp left on in the shack > > was a blue light... a flashing blue light > >=20 > > Phil VY2PR > > Stratford PEI Canada > > > Hi I bet back in the bad old days of AM STEREO you could get every=20 one of those and then some in AM STEREO on problem. Jim smith From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Sep 21 23:10:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80010 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2007 06:10:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2007 06:10:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.247) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2007 06:10:01 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2007 06:08:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2007 06:08:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2007 06:08:49 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 06:08:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.114 From: "jotape1960" Subject: The IBOC Future (was: Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . .) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=K10yyjPGEKiEVjZ7VWO7EQcoFsxVvg9SrSFVpHvM85kpR622dg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI GANG!!! There was a time when a few college kids dreamed with play music and=20 become so famous. They got their instruments (analog audio) and=20 amplifiers (vacuum tube analog amps) and played it in a club, a=20 young club. Time passed and the kids grew and became "extraordinarily" famous in=20 all over the world. And they still used analog sound (it was the=20 only one technical format in that time). Of course, I guess they changed their first vacuum tube amps to=20 transistor amps, but I don't have any serious information about it.=20 However, they always used analog technology. It was 4 decades ago, they were 4 kids, they were "THE BEATLES". Today, we can get Beatles music from the original (or pirate) CDs,=20 MP3s, etc. BUT... they still sound better from the old analog=20 vinyls!!! One day, last summer (January, 2007; please, remember here is the=20 opposite weather of USA), my son answered me: "What is that music?=20 and From where?" And I told him the true: that was an old vinyl LP=20 called "Abbey Road", and the song was "Something" (from George=20 Harrison). The media devices I was used were: my old Technics SL-1200MK2=20 player, with the old Shure M-72B Moving Magnet Cartridge, and the=20 old Pioneer QX-949A receiver. Such a Jurassic Park collection!!! But, my son told me: "It sounds so good, so good; it's great!!!" and=20 asked me to listen all the album. I didn't remember some word about the noise, or the distortion,=20 etc... He was fascinated with... THE SOUND and THE MUSIC!!! My son has 19 years old, He was brought up by the TV and computer=20 age. He loved his "all-digital" music collection but, from that day,=20 he often asked me for more and more "analog" old music. My son has friends, and his friends were invited by my son to listen=20 that old "pleistocenic" music and... believe or not, they asked me a=20 copy. When they listen their "new" digital MP3 copies, ALL of them told=20 me: "BUT, IT DOESN'T SOUND SO GOOD AS IN YOUR EQUIPMENT!!!". I told them it was due to the digital compress format (MP3). I play=20 the direct convert file (the WAV file, not compressed digital audio)=20 and they could hear the difference. Well, with the time, MAYBE (only a personal maybe) the IBOC system=20 will win the battle. BUT I SURE YOU SOMEDAY THE PEOPLE WILL HEAR=20 AN "OLD GRANPA" DEVICE AND, THEN, THEY WILL BACK TO THE OLD,=20 OBSOLETE, DECREPIT, ABSURB, PRIMITIVE AND STUPID ANALOG SOUND SYSTEM. And, remember, the final loudspeakers still are... ANALOG!!! LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AM RADIO!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sat Sep 22 00:06:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47595 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2007 07:06:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2007 07:06:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.109) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2007 07:06:20 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n12.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2007 07:04:50 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2007 07:04:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2007 07:04:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:04:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.109 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.241.5.77 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: We may consider going AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=decqXJID8sEW68CUB98RWXqGZpEAc-VrCCbcDIVV3Xp5GLSualnSiq4W X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester The station I manage, "Cool Country 1590" will be getting rid of our=20 RCA BTA-1M 50s vintage tube transmitter and buying a solid state=20 transmitter in the next few months within the next 6 months. I looked at the BE-AM1A because it came with an AM Stereo Exciter Card=20 as an excited, but it lacked some features that I needed. The Nautel=20 Jazz 1000 does NOT have an option for an AM Stereo Exciter, but it does=20 have internal circuitry for raising/lowering power at appropriate times=20 without the need of any external control device. IF AND WHEN we do buy a solid state transmitter, I will reccomend we=20 look for a CQuam AM Stereo Generator and a Stereo Audio Processor.. but=20 no guarentees;) Paul B. Walker, Jr. From starship_2001@msn.com Sat Sep 22 03:43:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30764 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2007 10:43:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2007 10:43:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s2.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.74) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2007 10:43:41 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.136.16]) by bay0-omc1-s2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 03:43:25 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 03:43:25 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.4 by BAY131-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:43:23 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:43:23 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Sep 2007 10:43:25.0311 (UTC) FILETIME=[674CF8F0:01C7FD05] Return-Path: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The IBOC Future (was: Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . .) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=fwQeXVJiAAwxDMuRUPoMTaW1R_FgyuWFXbPGSgyau7AdX1Wf1p7B6tNB_w X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Records are NOT dead. Many people still use records and turntables ARE avai= lable brand new. This month within the last few days i think it was bob seg= ar and silver bullet band released on album on VINYL before even releasing = it on digital. it wont be out on CD until next month.=20=20 -----Original Message----- From: jotape1960 Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 2:08 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} The IBOC Future (was: Re: What a fascinating evening's apoc= alypse . . . .) HI GANG!!! There was a time when a few college kids dreamed with play music and=20 become so famous. They got their instruments (analog audio) and=20 amplifiers (vacuum tube analog amps) and played it in a club, a=20 young club. Time passed and the kids grew and became "extraordinarily" famous in=20 all over the world. And they still used analog sound (it was the=20 only one technical format in that time). Of course, I guess they changed their first vacuum tube amps to=20 transistor amps, but I don't have any serious information about it.=20 However, they always used analog technology. It was 4 decades ago, they were 4 kids, they were "THE BEATLES". Today, we can get Beatles music from the original (or pirate) CDs,=20 MP3s, etc. BUT... they still sound better from the old analog=20 vinyls!!! One day, last summer (January, 2007; please, remember here is the=20 opposite weather of USA), my son answered me: "What is that music?=20 and From where?" And I told him the true: that was an old vinyl LP=20 called "Abbey Road", and the song was "Something" (from George=20 Harrison). The media devices I was used were: my old Technics SL-1200MK2=20 player, with the old Shure M-72B Moving Magnet Cartridge, and the=20 old Pioneer QX-949A receiver. Such a Jurassic Park collection!!! But, my son told me: "It sounds so good, so good; it's great!!!" and=20 asked me to listen all the album. I didn't remember some word about the noise, or the distortion,=20 etc... He was fascinated with... THE SOUND and THE MUSIC!!! My son has 19 years old, He was brought up by the TV and computer=20 age. He loved his "all-digital" music collection but, from that day,=20 he often asked me for more and more "analog" old music. My son has friends, and his friends were invited by my son to listen=20 that old "pleistocenic" music and... believe or not, they asked me a=20 copy. When they listen their "new" digital MP3 copies, ALL of them told=20 me: "BUT, IT DOESN'T SOUND SO GOOD AS IN YOUR EQUIPMENT!!!". I told them it was due to the digital compress format (MP3). I play=20 the direct convert file (the WAV file, not compressed digital audio)=20 and they could hear the difference. Well, with the time, MAYBE (only a personal maybe) the IBOC system=20 will win the battle. BUT I SURE YOU SOMEDAY THE PEOPLE WILL HEAR=20 AN "OLD GRANPA" DEVICE AND, THEN, THEY WILL BACK TO THE OLD,=20 OBSOLETE, DECREPIT, ABSURB, PRIMITIVE AND STUPID ANALOG SOUND SYSTEM. And, remember, the final loudspeakers still are... ANALOG!!! LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AM RADIO!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=EF=BF=BD, Chile, South America, with love Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 Yahoo! Groups Links From narkspud@hotmail.com Sat Sep 22 06:51:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36335 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2007 13:51:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2007 13:51:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.216) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2007 13:51:18 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2007 13:47:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2007 13:47:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2007 13:47:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:47:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.183.12.58 From: "narkspud" Subject: The IBOC Future (was: Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . .) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=GI1RHU0T6ToOtmdV9_8Dmvx3yPrYI9Gn9kCK2djQcjdgZug X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: >=20 > Today, we can get Beatles music from the original (or pirate) CDs,=20 > MP3s, etc. BUT... they still sound better from the old analog=20 > vinyls!!! The Beatles CDs were poorly mastered. Heavy use of noise reduction, poor E= Q choices, and=20 bad choice of master tape playback equipment. That's not a "vinyl vs. CD" = issue. Had they=20 done the same thing with the vinyl, it would have sounded just as bad - act= ually worse, since=20 Abbey Road is so long that it requires level compression to get it to fit o= n a single LP. Furthermore, "Analog sounds better than digital" is just as stupid a statem= ent as "Digital=20 sounds better than analog." It's a gross overgeneralization.=20=20 Can we please dial back the hyperbolic rhetoric and discuss this rationally= ? Please? From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 22 08:22:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6127 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2007 15:22:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2007 15:22:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2007 15:22:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2007 15:22:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2007 15:22:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:22:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.127.141 From: "jim smith" Subject: The IBOC Future (was: Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . .) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=5X__gNE_JMG909wBXgjDNTmVzGGSehDMP0hKotXxlqCRuhKvNU0sW8ZixGvWcB7TuLNzFbO0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: >=20 > >=20 > > Today, we can get Beatles music from the original (or pirate)=20 CDs,=20 > > MP3s, etc. BUT... they still sound better from the old analog=20 > > vinyls!!! >=20 > The Beatles CDs were poorly mastered. Heavy use of noise=20 reduction, poor EQ choices, and=20 > bad choice of master tape playback equipment. That's not a "vinyl=20 vs. CD" issue. Had they=20 > done the same thing with the vinyl, it would have sounded just as=20 bad - actually worse, since=20 > Abbey Road is so long that it requires level compression to get it=20 to fit on a single LP. >=20 > Furthermore, "Analog sounds better than digital" is just as stupid=20 a statement as "Digital=20 > sounds better than analog." It's a gross overgeneralization.=20=20 >=20 > Can we please dial back the hyperbolic rhetoric and discuss this=20 rationally? Please? Hi Yes we can talk about this rationally. The sorce is analog and it=20 stays full wave analog all the way to the analog speakers. Now with=20 digital the sorce is analog and then it goes in to digital prosesing=20 it gets broke down and then it gets put back out but the audio wave=20 is not all there and thats where the digital trys to color it back in=20 and then it goes out to the analog speakers.Ok this was my=20 exspearants with analog and digital audio. I have one of Chris's=20 A.L. TX's and I conected a home casette player with just the two line=20 levels RCA's. Turn on both and and play and casette and it sounded=20 great!!!! I try the same thing with a home CD player and it sounded=20 like crap. Now that was my observation. Jim Smith From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Sep 22 12:43:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97767 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2007 19:43:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2007 19:43:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.158) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2007 19:43:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 65927 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Sep 2007 19:43:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GDhsbYUVM1ku7aVCSGMWBNO5mZUmesudfVYz2pmKU0ompNFnI8RFS5tMwK4Pkq6_M7TGZ_ACUAMB42Bg0hSIp0nCTWM.ij9ugDuwkBoX5Su7xHFxDJPkS26z4g-- Received: from [72.241.129.52] by web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:43:50 PDT Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:43:50 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <488982.65365.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re:We may consider going AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=pWEdMvRbOpHOe-MIBBzeOkcHHUwVKCutCraP8MvIPTZCcV7J_AGtdhA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Please contact the SERVICE Department at Nautel - they offer CQuam as an option for their transmitters - that is what CFCO did when they added AM stereo in 2000. I don't recall the gentleman's name, maybe it was Paul? but he said that they were 'trained to push HD IBOC, and were not even supposed to let people know about their excellent Nautel CQuam offerings. Their (CFCO) Nautel transmitter ramps down from 10KW days to 6KW nights, so it's a good unit IF you can get ahold of the guy that can get your the CQuam parts. I think the BE transmitters even come with CQuam, as WIRY got theirs that way. There's 2 or 3 sources for AM stereo decoder boards now too! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. 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Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Sep 22 12:45:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54422 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2007 19:45:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2007 19:45:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.163) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2007 19:45:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 99012 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Sep 2007 19:45:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Llz8xX8VM1mNfBeaAvz6r1tFZMGZCQMG5CkypeDguYnYN9dSk_yZCSwys0ft_t8R3g-- Received: from [72.241.129.52] by web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:45:42 PDT Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:45:42 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <97289.97655.qm@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re:We may consider going AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=50rV2kDgk4MKw01O0jnQJDi3ruakP0Xwy1wOWi_0rl1i9hybN4MNjGI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio PS: If you can't get a used Orban 9100B stereo AM audio processor, they do actually offer a new stereo AM audio processor to replace it, I don't remember if it's the 9400?? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Sep 22 13:20:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2385 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2007 20:20:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2007 20:20:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2007 20:20:37 -0000 Received: from [64.131.23.100] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20070922151933101330800003> for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:19:33 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <010f01c7fd57$15dc7520$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:19:33 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} We may consider going AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=WOdzDnHwPxGqVCsufUF0k3OY7UA55BHIsoJCE4ImtE-27OwJ4MVO X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You may want to hang onto that RCA for a backup. It may seldom get used, but when it's needed a backup is invaluable. I don't know as much about the current crop of 1kW transmitters, but the immediately previous generation typically couldn't be serviced while on the air. A Nautel ND-1 had only one power module and to get at the three RF cards inside would necessitate taking the station completely off, unlike an ND-5 5kW which had three other modules to keep you on the air. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. The station I manage, "Cool Country 1590" will be getting rid of our RCA BTA-1M 50s vintage tube transmitter and buying a solid state transmitter in the next few months within the next 6 months. Visit Your Group Drive Traffic Sponsored Search can help increase your site traffic. Yahoo! Groups Real Food Group Share recipes and favorite meals. Yoga Groups Find Enlightenment & exchange insights with other members . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Sep 22 13:26:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92768 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2007 20:26:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2007 20:26:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2007 20:26:12 -0000 Received: from [64.131.23.100] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20070922152513102072200003> for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:25:13 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <013c01c7fd57$e0b52b20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <97289.97655.qm@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:25:13 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:We may consider going AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=jYmI50b6zEcT8yTKvmWD2zT2lmDMFpl2_gc0D77S8tBD2g8vNV6I X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Used equipment dealer Bay Country has a stereo 9100B in stock right now. Might want to pounce on it as it's one of the best analog processors ever made and certainly cheaper used than a new one. Worst case you'd probably have to shotgun the lytics in a few years. The 9200 (discontinued) and 9300 successors are mono; 9400 is stereo. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com PS: If you can't get a used Orban 9100B stereo AM audio processor, they do actually offer a new stereo AM audio processor to replace it, I don't remember if it's the 9400?? _________________________________________________________ Visit Your Group Moderator Central Get answers to your questions about running Y! Groups. HDTV Support The official Samsung Y! Group for HDTVs and devices. Yahoo! Groups Beauty & Fashion Connect & share tips and advice. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Sep 22 13:30:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74827 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2007 20:30:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2007 20:30:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2007 20:30:33 -0000 Received: from [64.131.23.100] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20070922152925102878100003> for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:29:25 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <014b01c7fd58$76a62da0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <488982.65365.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:29:25 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:We may consider going AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=HF38DUCqTRIon40i9t08Oo4q4sJBuQkCCOTPRQOrUYukgXgF4Jla X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If CFCO got theirs in 2000 it was likely the ND series which has been discontinued. Not sure if the latest series of Nautels could be made stereo, though if there's any way to tap into the RF chain it could be done. BE transmitters may have stereo as an option but I don't think it's standard anymore. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. Please contact the SERVICE Department at Nautel - they offer CQuam as an option for their transmitters - that is what CFCO did when they added AM stereo in 2000. I don't recall the gentleman's name, maybe it was Paul? but he said that they were 'trained to push HD IBOC, and were not even supposed to let people know about their excellent Nautel CQuam offerings. Their (CFCO) Nautel transmitter ramps down from 10KW days to 6KW nights, so it's a good unit IF you can get ahold of the guy that can get your the CQuam parts. I think the BE transmitters even come with CQuam, as WIRY got theirs that way. Visit Your Group Yahoo! Groups Moderator Central get help and provide feedback on Groups. Best of Y! 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Group to connect w/ others about fitness goals. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Sep 22 15:06:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53359 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2007 22:06:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2007 22:06:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.158) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2007 22:06:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 69668 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Sep 2007 22:05:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Hzx0Y9sVM1nmg94os_5tTiravfTC1XUMTc9T3Q_nvHfCwkdg0eBsPriHZQYFO4mSAeUQeOenPg-- Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:05:51 PDT Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:05:51 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <488982.65365.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <512103.69655.qm@web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:We may consider going AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=RSXljCdW334m7arjwxamHsDTCCWtA-O10ZXEVFR_xIY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW The BE AM1A does NOT come with the AM stereo card, it is now an option. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From narkspud@hotmail.com Sat Sep 22 20:47:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27199 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2007 03:47:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2007 03:47:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.163) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2007 03:47:05 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n6.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2007 03:46:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2007 03:46:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2007 03:46:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 03:46:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.183.12.58 From: "narkspud" Subject: The IBOC Future (was: Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . .) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=v-bmPO3SzHgbS6NWI7Hre55py5Mud299B23kZqvD48nqwZI X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Any time you send a signal through an electronic device, it suffers degrada= tion, whether=20 that device is digital or analog. The original audio wave is never "all th= ere", and it certainly=20 isn't anywhere near "all there" in AM broadcasting.=20=20 I'm sorry your home CD player isn't working properly with your Alfredo Lite= . I doubt you'll=20 impress many people arguing that cassette is a superior format to CD, thoug= h, regardless=20 of your observation. In the unlikely event that you do have a cassette tha= t sounds better=20 than a CD of the same material, it's undoubtedly a mastering issue that has= nothing to do=20 with digital or analog. I think most of the AM-HD stations I've heard sound like poo, but that's an= issue of the=20 bitrate and the codec used. Again, it's not digital vs. analog, it's a lim= itation of the HD=20 technology. More to the point, do you seriously believe that ANY of your local stations= are still playing=20 music from an analog source? > Hi Yes we can talk about this rationally. The sorce is analog and it=20 > stays full wave analog all the way to the analog speakers. Now with=20 > digital the sorce is analog and then it goes in to digital prosesing=20 > it gets broke down and then it gets put back out but the audio wave=20 > is not all there and thats where the digital trys to color it back in=20 > and then it goes out to the analog speakers.Ok this was my=20 > exspearants with analog and digital audio. I have one of Chris's=20 > A.L. TX's and I conected a home casette player with just the two line=20 > levels RCA's. Turn on both and and play and casette and it sounded=20 > great!!!! I try the same thing with a home CD player and it sounded=20 > like crap. Now that was my observation. Jim Smith > From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Sep 22 22:04:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69215 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2007 05:04:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2007 05:04:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.162) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2007 05:04:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 24653 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Sep 2007 05:04:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GSEa7oAVM1meFhL_KVwd.PlBPVD3v19ST94TS7N7wj1m.FynS1PdnapVpSfhLjdGjx8ej2jkEw-- Received: from [209.213.18.57] by web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 22:04:36 PDT Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 22:04:36 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <872741.24541.qm@web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Alfredo Lite ponderings. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=A9_ZhxNtpiTbtKls_wNEU5O5ZLKxQ8HSaYFGLPav5Io X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW The Alfredo Lites I have did not like the CD player. It was a mismatch. When I used the mixer and brought the levels up it was fine. The 10 mw is my problem. If I were to set it up with the Rivendell automation system into the AM stereo limiter in my ham radio building I would need about 100 milliwatts or more to get back to the house. If I ran a watt no one could hear it. 5 watts maybe. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From bob_welch550@yahoo.com Sat Sep 22 23:26:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: bob_welch550@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33919 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2007 06:26:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2007 06:26:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.214) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2007 06:26:01 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2007 06:25:20 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2007 06:25:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2007 06:25:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 06:25:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213592090; y=_0JuNdGznLCDoJQNcG26RSA0-3dELuD0djNJTjuU-G_YW5FDXWwG X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 About a year ago someone at another less powerful radio station (the=20 only AM station with a legal of Montpelier... you figure it out)=20 decided it behooved them to sign on with ESPN Radio 24/7. That meant=20 WDEV had to run local 7 evenings a week, and all day Saturday and=20 Sunday... outside of Norwich Hockey, Red Sox Baseball, and wintertime=20 high-school sports.=20=20 We always welcome phone calls about whatever sports team along with=20 the Red Sox people wanted to phone in about. However, outside of=20 phone calls we play music from the 60s and 70s. Just a few short weeks ago someone from Montreal radio must've heard=20 what we were doing at WDEV. Now, CJAD-800 is doing similar Saturday=20 afternoons and on into the evenings, outside of The CFL's Montreal=20 Alouettes and the Montreal Canadians. It's either a fad or something=20 more.. but, CINW 940 Montreal is competing with CJAD with the same=20 kind of music on Saturday nights. 10 years ago the people who would say a station that big would be=20 crazy to go with music on the AM dial would have won. It would=20 appear those folks are not taken as seriously... not in Montreal=20 anyway. 940 is a 50-kw station that thankfully because they are in=20 Canada is forbidden from broadcasting in IBOC. I've always been on a wait and see approach to this technology...=20 but, after seeing the on-again off-again behavior of the benefit as=20 opposed to the on-all-the-time qualities of the hiss am leaning=20 towards not drinking the IBOC Cool-aid just yet. I went up to=20 Morrisville this evening and saw WCBS-HD light up along with WBZ-HD=20 and WFAN-HD... but, for the most part.. it only said WBZ-AM until the=20 display switched back to 1030... 660 or 880. Just like it did before=20 IBOC was allowed at night on AM. Just like last week WGN, WBBM, and WLS were there to be heard. I=20 could hear a fight brewing between the usual suspects of 1010 from=20 New York and Toronto... the same at 1050. If the digital just came in with the same robustness of the analog...=20 I'd be satisfied. But, it can't. I find it funny that WDEV's music=20 at 550 comes in just as good on my radio as far as range my ears as=20 WCBS's bumpers do on those few moments when the digital is coming in. Of course we all sadly know that it takes both good transmission=20 equipment and reception equipment to hear what was intended to be=20 heard. Cheap radios built with less care than a 9th-grader's=20 high-school science fair project are what will be the death nell for=20 AM. Nothing else. It's up to the big radio ownership to start manufacturing their own=20 radios in North America. I think we know who to put in charge of=20 this kind of a project. This is based upon... the companies who=20 currently build both radios and televisons along with ovens and=20 whatever else could care less about the quality of the product more=20 or less. In the end.. these current manufacturers are basically=20 stealing from every radio station's bottom line. With the current=20 headlines of bad quality stuff coming from China... Someone might be=20 able to make hay from that. Bob -WDEV --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 > wrote: > >=20 > > The radio "grandpa" only would be dead if there would be some=20 > > really "new" good system, but it isn't so. Excuse me, I'm a moron=20 > > but I can't see the HD system as a real good "new" system, sorry. >=20 > You are entitled to your opinion and have expressed it well.=20=20 >=20 > >=20 > > >=20 > >=20 > > You're wrong my friend, the kids hate the radio (AM or FM) not=20 for=20 > a=20 > > technical reason. Everybody knows the IPODs, MP3 players, REAL=20 > > Internet Stream or, even, some CDs, have a very bad sound, yes, a=20 > > very bad sound. OK, without tape hiss noise or vinyl scratch=20 > noise,=20 > > or radio static noise but... IT'S A BAD SOUND!!! It's a compress=20 > > sound, not natural and... please, if you have heard the kind of=20 > > music our today kids listen... who needs an hi-fi system? I'm not=20 > > against the youth art expression but a hip-hop song... is a very=20 > bad=20 > > sound song and any kind of AM station could transmit it without=20 > any=20 > > great problem. I think the most great technical problem to the AM=20 > > band is about the very good "classical" music (Beethoven, Bach=20 and=20 > > Co.) because the pianissimo passages are a very hard problem,=20 > > specially when we live miles away from the TX place. No, Tom,=20 > you're=20 > > wrong: the real reason because the people left the radio out=20 > was/is=20 > > THE VERY BAD PROGRAMMING FORMAT!!! Who wants to hear more than 15=20 > > minutes a day of news, or more than 20 minutes of "Call now, and=20 > you=20 > > can get a very good discount...", PLEASE!!! And... the worst to=20 > me:=20 > > you are listening your favorite song and, before the song is=20 over,=20 > > you hear that "inopportune" speaker who says: "This is your=20 > favorite=20 > > station with your favorite music...", COME ON!!! In that moments=20 > is=20 > > when I want to say: "GO TO THE HELL!!!" And I'm sure this is the=20 > > audience desiree too. This is the real problem, not a technical=20 > > noise or distortion problem. >=20 >=20 > Unfortunately, you are misinformed. Yes, content is an issue.=20=20 > However, my son has a few friends that are rabid NY Yankees fans.=20=20 > They will NOT listen to the games on radio. I asked them why -=20 > after all, there are just as many commercial breaks on a radio=20 > game. They have all said the same thing - "The sound on AM radio=20 > sucks". The content is there - they don't like what they're=20 hearing. >=20 > My son doesn't listen to rap and hip hop. He listens primarily to=20 > classic rock and modern rock. He is studying film in college and=20 > listens to a good deal of movie soundtracks. He listens to=20 broadway=20 > show tunes. He has about 600 CD's in his collection. He listens=20 to=20 > Opie and Anthony and several shows on WOR. He listens either on=20 his=20 > ipod or XM. His WOR stuff he gets off our web stream. He does not=20 > listen to terrestrial radio. He can get the classic rock, modern=20 > rock, Opie and Anthony and his WOR programs on terrestrial radio.=20=20 > He doesn't like the sound of AM radio, and he can't stand the=20 > multipath on FM. He likes the sound of HD radio, and the times he=20 > has bummed along when I've had to come to the transmitter after=20 > hours during a WOR show he listens to, he has liked what he has=20 > heard.=20=20 >=20 > DXing is simply not a way of life for today's kids. It's time for=20 a=20 > change. >=20 >=20 > > I hardly believe your comment because I don't know any kind of=20 > tuner=20 > > miles away from the FCC rules.=20 >=20 > Then can you point me to the FCC regulations in regards to tuner=20 > specifications? Besides the spurious emissions content? Believe=20 > what you want. There is no set of regulations for tuners.=20=20 >=20 > The radio manufacturers will do what they wish to cut $. And they=20 > won't put many research dollars into the AM sections. Been that=20 way=20 > for far too many years, my friend. The public's response? "AM=20 > sucks".=20=20 >=20 > The FCC is set up to make laws in regards to transmission for=20 > broadcast. They do not have a mandate to specify reception. >=20 >=20 >=20 > >=20 > > The ideal plan would be TO GO BACK TO THE MUSIC!!! Beautiful=20 > music,=20 > > all times music, living music, just music, a very good alliance=20 > > between the musicians and broadcasters (as it should have always=20 > > been). > >=20 > > At least, let me dream with it, hehehehe!!! >=20 >=20 > Unfortunately, Juan, that's all you can do is dream. While there=20 > are AM stations that do play music, they are the minority on the AM=20 > band.=20=20 >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 23 00:16:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91072 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2007 07:16:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2007 07:16:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.166) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2007 07:16:17 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n7.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2007 07:15:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2007 07:15:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2007 07:15:24 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 07:15:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.124.26 From: "jim smith" Subject: The IBOC Future (was: Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . .) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=k91Va672RDbiSb5m2xxZf6uLRwscwR5BLGEsRKSwWQrj420A8VLWEtWBtIQGmKkjZcoV46_0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > > Any time you send a signal through an electronic device, it suffers=20 degradation, whether=20 > that device is digital or analog. The original audio wave is=20 never "all there", and it certainly=20 > isn't anywhere near "all there" in AM broadcasting.=20=20 >=20 > I'm sorry your home CD player isn't working properly with your=20 Alfredo Lite. I doubt you'll=20 > impress many people arguing that cassette is a superior format to=20 CD, though, regardless=20 > of your observation. In the unlikely event that you do have a=20 cassette that sounds better=20 > than a CD of the same material, it's undoubtedly a mastering issue=20 that has nothing to do=20 > with digital or analog. >=20 > I think most of the AM-HD stations I've heard sound like poo, but=20 that's an issue of the=20 > bitrate and the codec used. Again, it's not digital vs. analog,=20 it's a limitation of the HD=20 > technology. >=20 > More to the point, do you seriously believe that ANY of your local=20 stations are still playing=20 > music from an analog source? >=20 > > Hi Yes we can talk about this rationally. The sorce is analog and=20 it=20 > > stays full wave analog all the way to the analog speakers. Now=20 with=20 > > digital the sorce is analog and then it goes in to digital=20 prosesing=20 > > it gets broke down and then it gets put back out but the audio=20 wave=20 > > is not all there and thats where the digital trys to color it=20 back in=20 > > and then it goes out to the analog speakers.Ok this was my=20 > > exspearants with analog and digital audio. I have one of Chris's=20 > > A.L. TX's and I conected a home casette player with just the two=20 line=20 > > levels RCA's. Turn on both and and play and casette and it=20 sounded=20 > > great!!!! I try the same thing with a home CD player and it=20 sounded=20 > > like crap. Now that was my observation. Jim Smith > > > Hi Well Narkspud I am not stoping you from trying the same thing. Ok=20 analog like any system has it limatatoins. But i do beleve what I=20 have herd over the intenet wich for the most part sounds like crap=20 wich is all digital. I have not herd AM HD and FM HD as of yet but if=20 it sounds like internet streem i will not but happy. I will be=20 talking to you soon . Jim Smith From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 23 00:25:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55237 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2007 07:25:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2007 07:25:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.115) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2007 07:25:35 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2007 07:24:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2007 07:24:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2007 07:24:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 07:24:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <872741.24541.qm@web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.115 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.124.26 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Alfredo Lite ponderings. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=vDjHdEBLF8Bqmmz5MNhUr0Af3oyWe599pLa2XJfLbIfV17SlhZTRXx7ahMGwt07vVzvs9oRq X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > > The Alfredo Lites I have did not like the CD player. > It was a mismatch. When I used the mixer and brought > the levels up it was fine. The 10 mw is my problem. If > I were to set it up with the Rivendell automation > system into the AM stereo limiter in my ham radio > building I would need about 100 milliwatts or more to > get back to the house. If I ran a watt no one could > hear it. 5 watts maybe.=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 >=20 >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > Hi Powell Yes my home CD player (unamped) sounded like crap to untill=20 I put a mixer bord on it also. Jim Smith PS I am not a broadcast=20 engineer. From starship_2001@msn.com Sun Sep 23 01:45:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74621 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2007 08:45:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2007 08:45:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s12.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.148) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2007 08:45:12 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.136.11]) by bay0-omc2-s12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 23 Sep 2007 01:43:45 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 01:43:45 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.4 by BAY131-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:43:44 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:43:44 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Sep 2007 08:43:45.0814 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA666B60:01C7FDBD] Return-Path: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The IBOC Future (was: Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . .) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=H-dLJlLfNk2urRwTFVZexIrStelPAhkTLwd5Doac748y1wgslFhkB2Gz1g X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 AM HD does sound like an internet stream on a 28 k dial up connection. -----Original Message----- From: jim smith Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 3:15 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} The IBOC Future (was: Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . .) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > > Any time you send a signal through an electronic device, it suffers degradation, whether > that device is digital or analog. The original audio wave is never "all there", and it certainly > isn't anywhere near "all there" in AM broadcasting. > > I'm sorry your home CD player isn't working properly with your Alfredo Lite. I doubt you'll > impress many people arguing that cassette is a superior format to CD, though, regardless > of your observation. In the unlikely event that you do have a cassette that sounds better > than a CD of the same material, it's undoubtedly a mastering issue that has nothing to do > with digital or analog. > > I think most of the AM-HD stations I've heard sound like poo, but that's an issue of the > bitrate and the codec used. Again, it's not digital vs. analog, it's a limitation of the HD > technology. > > More to the point, do you seriously believe that ANY of your local stations are still playing > music from an analog source? > > > Hi Yes we can talk about this rationally. The sorce is analog and it > > stays full wave analog all the way to the analog speakers. Now with > > digital the sorce is analog and then it goes in to digital prosesing > > it gets broke down and then it gets put back out but the audio wave > > is not all there and thats where the digital trys to color it back in > > and then it goes out to the analog speakers.Ok this was my > > exspearants with analog and digital audio. I have one of Chris's > > A.L. TX's and I conected a home casette player with just the two line > > levels RCA's. Turn on both and and play and casette and it sounded > > great!!!! I try the same thing with a home CD player and it sounded > > like crap. Now that was my observation. Jim Smith > > > Hi Well Narkspud I am not stoping you from trying the same thing. Ok analog like any system has it limatatoins. But i do beleve what I have herd over the intenet wich for the most part sounds like crap wich is all digital. I have not herd AM HD and FM HD as of yet but if it sounds like internet streem i will not but happy. I will be talking to you soon . Jim Smith Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Sep 23 02:01:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75103 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2007 09:01:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2007 09:01:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.8) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2007 09:01:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2007 09:01:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2007 09:01:10 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:01:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.118 From: "jotape1960" Subject: The IBOC Future (was: Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . .) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=l0zlgVkZgD8sxxoI0iZRITesVKYqEAgxj_dgLfPPJyKqIh8Ecw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" =20 wrote: > > More to the point, do you seriously believe that ANY of your local=20 stations are still playing=20 > music from an analog source? >=20 Yes, man!!! All the radio stations in all over the world has an=20 analog source: the human voice of the speakers!!! (Or, maybe I'm=20 outdated and now there is human people with a digital vocalization=20 system, hahahahaha!!!) Seriously, the problem here isn't digital vs analog or analog vs=20 digital. The problem is what was, and still is, the purpose of the=20 digital technology and how can we use it in the radio world. I think the digital technology is the best to the STORAGE world,=20 because it's the only world where it can be. Why? Simple: the human ear needs an analog signal. That's all. You can invent any kind of devices with the digital technology, to=20 audio and video, but... in the final moment, just in front of your=20 ears or your eyes, you will need an analog signal!!! Sorry, I'm not God and I don't know what God created the human=20 without digital sensors. That question can't be answered by a human. Now, how to use the digital technology in the radio world? Well, a=20 lot of stations store the music, news, ids, etc. in digital format=20 in their PCs so... that part it's already done. A lot of stations=20 uses digital audio processors so... that part it's already done.=20 Even, there is a few expensive tuners with digital audio processing=20 so... that part it's already done. But... with all, we're still in=20 the "storage" world. The problem is when we want to go further. A typical CD digital bit stream is 44100 samples per seconds, 16=20 bits per sample, two channels (stereo). What's a hell it means? In=20 simple words: more than 4 times the maximun available analog audio=20 bandwidth of the AM band!!! What can we do? Compress the digital bit stream (eliminate some=20 samples because they represent a "non important" audio sequences).=20 MP3, ATRAC, WMA, REALPLAYER, etc. are some of the universe=20 of "codecs" (compressed formats) we have to reduce the original, up=20 to 10 times or more. The theory sounds good, BUT NOT THE REAL RESULT!!! If you listen an=20 standard 96 kbps MP3 recording, you can listen the ugly treble=20 artifacts; and, thinking on the AM band, you need more bit=20 compression than 96 kbps MP3 codec!!! So, what can we expect from the "digital" sound on the air in AM? No=20 more than the typical REALPLAYER audio stream from Internet: THE=20 WORST SOUND IN THE WORLD!!! And, remember the digital "new" technology for the AM band WAS=20 OFFERED AS... THE ONLY ONE SALVATION TO THE BROADCASTERS BECAUSE IT=20 WOULD SOUND LIKE THE ANALOG FM STEREO SOUND!!! ...??? I insist I'm not and enemy of the digital technology. I'm just a=20 material and practical man: if it works, I use it: but if it doesn't=20 work, I don't use it. That's all. IBOC doesn't work. Simple. How can I say that? Think a little on my case: we are an small local AM station, with a=20 1 KW AM TX, still mono sound. If we would want to change to the IBOC=20 system, we must to invest near $ 20,000,000 chilean pesos=20 (equivalent to US$ 30,000 aprox) ONLY in the TX place!!! And I'm=20 talking about a 1 KW IBOC AM TX. Everybody knows that with that=20 carrier power we will reach less than the half of our today coverage=20 area (due to the hard geographic conditions we have). Today our=20 station can, hardly, to pay the bill, so... Is there someone in this=20 forum who really wants to advice us to invest in IBOC? So, I insist, IBOC doesn't work. It wasn't the same case with the CDs. The first CD players and the=20 first CDs was more expensive than the vinyl records but, almost, all=20 the CD players I knew WORKED SO FINE from the beginning!!! The CDs=20 could inmediately demonstrate itself and all the people could change=20 to the new system knowing what it was. All of us use CDs today.=20 Today, a vinyl record is so expensive and a CD is so cheap. But, back to IBOC, today a common user, a listener, must to buy an=20 IBOC tuner to get the "new" signals. He/she must to invest a lot of=20 money, because any IBOC tuner is in the "high price" band, BUT...=20 unlike the CD history, nobody can assure an inmediately "optimun"=20 result, for a lot of reasons. What will be the history? Again the radio broadcasters go to promise=20 something that is not a reality. Again, the listener will be=20 disappointed (like the frustrated Quadraphonic era). I don't know the future, but I think it's more reliable to stay with=20 the analog system and I think it will be the same for a long time. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Sep 23 02:11:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39304 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2007 09:11:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2007 09:11:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao107.cox.net) (68.230.241.39) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2007 09:11:55 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070923091054.PUIC12354.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 05:10:54 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.225.240.86]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id rlAu1X0021sYu840000000; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 05:10:54 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <09C7CF35-5F5A-42DD-96F1-4963E5E7F34D@cox.net> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 02:10:53 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} The IBOC Future (was: Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . .) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=Od3FLJK-Cim7EHfE89BgpHXJKxMBmVvTP9dxQzuUdcwnL-tQrQY2Iz1HpJxw X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No it doesn't. On Sep 23, 2007, at 8:43 AM, Norbert 26 wrote: > AM HD does sound like an internet stream on a 28 k dial up connection. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From starship_2001@msn.com Sun Sep 23 02:18:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7915 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2007 09:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2007 09:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s22.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.158) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2007 09:18:30 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.136.22]) by bay0-omc2-s22.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 23 Sep 2007 02:13:20 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 02:13:20 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.4 by BAY131-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:13:16 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:13:15 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Sep 2007 09:13:20.0680 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC4D7A80:01C7FDC1] Return-Path: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The IBOC Future (was: Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . .) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=1U06A2cJ3Gq0KsGViJ7_0B6d1LJ8YPjpKwI_jcZUjQVJkvDHF4bgG6Ycew X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit my locals do. i can hear the warble in the speech. the 5 khz analog sounds better. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Wagoner Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 5:10 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The IBOC Future (was: Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . .) No it doesn't. On Sep 23, 2007, at 8:43 AM, Norbert 26 wrote: > AM HD does sound like an internet stream on a 28 k dial up connection. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Sep 23 08:31:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77544 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2007 15:31:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2007 15:31:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2007 15:31:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 93390 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Sep 2007 15:31:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: eASSOQEVM1lxbMdo3wTFrczTuKsID9shNz5.qktdjn6JeiZ4.YVK7Id6GmySOXI_M_iewocEew-- Received: from [209.213.18.141] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:31:24 PDT Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:31:24 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <666942.93234.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Digital in the real world X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=QijtV26MeSYh26OT5meie1oaHEjepka3cS2ZpQEOHx0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW You want to have NO that's ENNNN OHHHHHH digital compression all the way from the source to the transmitter. If you do, there will be substantial degradation of the signal quality. On the hard drive there is simply NO excuse for it anymore. Hard Drive space is so inexpensive now. MP3's NEVER. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Sep 23 08:33:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92726 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2007 15:33:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2007 15:33:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.162) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2007 15:33:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 36269 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Sep 2007 15:33:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: jUg6C54VM1kRuxfJcy2zN55y1Y43GBi7Je_1i3BCSwtnqEivzFCehAcdXPRtO5OfNZSUUzdQqQ-- Received: from [209.213.18.141] by web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:33:10 PDT Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:33:10 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <597789.35630.qm@web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The IBOC Future (was: Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . .) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=ZJEEpv2uTXzG9TWNAxu6WTKLKLTo1tmF5l7mv4wUzyc X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Then there is something wrong with your locals. WLAC on skywave sounds OK. They would sound ok if the audio didn't have a "tubby" effect to it. So does the analog. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Sep 23 08:40:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99207 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2007 15:40:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2007 15:40:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao101.cox.net) (68.230.241.45) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2007 15:40:06 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070923153854.MKRJ9743.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:38:54 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.225.240.86]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id rreq1X0011sYu840000000; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:38:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:38:48 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} The IBOC Future (was: Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . .) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=hAL75qm-asDL4sgrQfNvhJ5hQgsTzFRpaq9Rl-bpchzNauwqZnQQ0z0kNJut X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So YOUR stations sound like that. Mine don't. Are mine perfect? No, but much better than described. Richard On Sep 23, 2007, at 9:13 AM, Norbert 26 wrote: > my locals do. i can hear the warble in the speech. the 5 khz analog > sounds better. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Wagoner > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 5:10 AM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} The IBOC Future (was: Re: What a fascinating > evening's apocalypse . . . .) > > No it doesn't. > > On Sep 23, 2007, at 8:43 AM, Norbert 26 wrote: > > > AM HD does sound like an internet stream on a 28 k dial up > connection. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From narkspud@hotmail.com Sun Sep 23 09:34:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98917 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2007 16:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2007 16:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.184) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2007 16:34:54 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2007 16:33:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2007 16:33:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2007 16:33:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:33:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.183.12.58 From: "narkspud" Subject: The IBOC Future (was: Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . .) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=fYqqGQqbuWo_ZFsMzwWi8RlZq6gm1owAtPsMgmQwoDmpSCE X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: >All the radio stations in all over the world has an=20 > analog source: the human voice of the speakers!!! (Or, maybe I'm=20 > outdated and now there is human people with a digital vocalization=20 > system, hahahahaha!!!) Well, you're outdated in that many mixing boards are digital, most audio pr= ocessing=20 equipment is digital, and a lot of transmitters modulate digitally. So eve= n a live voice=20 being heard on an old tube receiver has been through at least a couple A to= D converters.=20=20 Like death and taxes, there's no escape from digital in 2007.=20=20=20=20 > Why? Simple: the human ear needs an analog signal. That's all. Yep. That's what the D to A converter in your CD player (or HD Radio) is t= here for. >But... with all, we're still in=20 > the "storage" world. Now this, you're going to have to explain. What does digital have to do wi= th storage? It's=20 just a sound reproduction technology, and it's used for transmission and ma= nipulation as=20 well as storage. > The theory sounds good, BUT NOT THE REAL RESULT!!! If you listen an=20 > standard 96 kbps MP3 recording, you can listen the ugly treble=20 > artifacts; and, thinking on the AM band, you need more bit=20 > compression than 96 kbps MP3 codec!!! We're getting close to the real issue here, other than the fact that you're= comparing MP3 to=20 the HD codec. They're two different things. Stereo MP3 sounds pretty bad = at 96 kbps.=20=20 The HD codec at 96 kbps sounds so close to the source that I bet even you w= on't hear any=20 difference. Here in the LA area, the local FMs that are running the full 9= 6 kbps sound=20 dramatically better when the HD kicks in. However, you are correct that AM HD runs at a lower bitrate (36 kbps), and = at that bitrate,=20 the artifacts can be quite annoying. However . . . >THE=20 > WORST SOUND IN THE WORLD!!! . . . this is what I object to in your posts and those of a few of our othe= r over-caffeinated=20 posters. The worst sound in the world? Now come on, man. Have you ever h= eard a Hello=20 Kitty cassette player with a head clog playing a tape with tape squeal? Mu= ch worse than=20 AM HD! > And, remember the digital "new" technology for the AM band WAS=20 > OFFERED AS... THE ONLY ONE SALVATION TO THE BROADCASTERS BECAUSE IT=20 > WOULD SOUND LIKE THE ANALOG FM STEREO SOUND!!! If you promise to lay off the caps lock, I'll agree with this one. Ibiquit= y's marketing=20 campaigns have been consistently deceptive and hyperbolic. > Think a little on my case: we are an small local AM station, with a=20 > 1 KW AM TX, still mono sound. If we would want to change to the IBOC=20 > system, we must to invest near $ 20,000,000 chilean pesos=20 > (equivalent to US$ 30,000 aprox) ONLY in the TX place!!! And I'm=20 > talking about a 1 KW IBOC AM TX. Everybody knows that with that=20 > carrier power we will reach less than the half of our today coverage=20 > area (due to the hard geographic conditions we have). Today our=20 > station can, hardly, to pay the bill, so... Is there someone in this=20 > forum who really wants to advice us to invest in IBOC? This is right on point. It's really all you need to say, without all this = other garbage about=20 all digital is evil and all analog is sunshine. While you're at it, you ca= n throw in the self- interference from the sidebands, the analog being brickwalled to 5 khz, HD'= s inability to=20 fight off skywave interference, and, yes, the inferior sound of HD on AM if= you'd like.=20=20 There are plenty of legitimate reasons why AM HD must die. You only lose the argument when you make crazy statements that don't have a= ny basis in=20 reality, like "AM HD has the worst sound in the world." It doesn't have to= have the worst=20 sound in the world. It's bad enough. A side note: There was a brief time that one of our local HD AMs, KDIS Rad= io Disney, did .=20 . . something . . . to their audio, perhaps a 10 khz brick wall or somethin= g, that suddenly=20 made them sound a lot better. In my opinion, and in this location, it was = better than when=20 they had been AM Stereo. (This taking all factors into account, including = the interference=20 level at my location, and the fact that their AM Stereo signal conformed to= the NRSC mask,=20 so it also had a 10 khz brick wall.) Whatever it was they did, they undid it a few weeks later, and now they hav= e the typical=20 unpleasant artifacts on everything again. But it proved to me that the sys= tem was not a=20 total washout, at least in the sound quality area. It really can deliver s= ound comparable to=20 AM Stereo, at least the AMax version of it. It was not comparable to FM, b= ut it was quite=20 listenable. Unfortunately I did not record any samples, since I never drea= med they would=20 go back to the original sound. > I don't know the future, but I think it's more reliable to stay with=20 > the analog system and I think it will be the same for a long time. I'd be just as happy with a digital system that's reliable and delivers the= sound quality they=20 promised. From narkspud@hotmail.com Sun Sep 23 09:44:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32370 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2007 16:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2007 16:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.213) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2007 16:44:44 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2007 16:43:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2007 16:43:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2007 16:43:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:43:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.183.12.58 From: "narkspud" Subject: {AMSF} The IBOC Future (was: Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . .) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=spml33MaN0-fOhHrm-AR2-kgt_zyNFz-rfC6JZet7hJam6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud We've had this spirited argument in another forum, and the conclusion we ca= me to was=20 that there are just some folks a lot more sensitive to the HD brand of arti= facts than others.=20=20 It drives me bananas. I hate it. But a 28 khz dialup? Absurd.=20=20 PLEASE, people, can't we try real hard and dial it back a bit? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > > So YOUR stations sound like that. Mine don't. Are mine perfect? No,=20=20 > but much better than described. >=20 > Richard >=20 >=20 > On Sep 23, 2007, at 9:13 AM, Norbert 26 wrote: >=20 > > my locals do. i can hear the warble in the speech. the 5 khz analog = =20 > > sounds better. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Richard Wagoner > > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 5:10 AM > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} The IBOC Future (was: Re: What a fascinating=20=20 > > evening's apocalypse . . . .) > > > > No it doesn't. > > > > On Sep 23, 2007, at 8:43 AM, Norbert 26 wrote: > > > > > AM HD does sound like an internet stream on a 28 k dial up=20=20 > > connection. From djjayarnold@yahoo.com Sun Sep 23 10:45:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: djjayarnold@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16784 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2007 17:45:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2007 17:45:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.93) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2007 17:45:39 -0000 Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n8.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2007 17:45:17 -0000 Received: from [66.196.101.130] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2007 17:45:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by rrr1.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2007 17:45:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 83003.9918.bm@rrr1.mail.re1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 58351 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Sep 2007 17:45:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: yDN.Z78VM1m5A0tmMMoHZr4w1Vn_Rh45hqzOnkGbbuIw_8pVGJUsPCfIH1JZZ1m7GWWkoNRf9dX6UfKQAdsZjBH_M6i981M9t96A Received: from [68.126.150.47] by web45302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 10:45:16 PDT Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 10:45:16 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <304608.56425.qm@web45302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.93 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Arnold Subject: Re: {AMSF} The IBOC Future (was: Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . .) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317204437; y=gJEGyQV_s0ODxJL2aWdA2vJFw6nlD7v0NiZAHIu0GL_t6BLu2PM X-Yahoo-Profile: djjayarnold Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Listening to amplitude-modulated H D in Napa on my Sangean HDT-1: At night, all I can receive on H D is K G O 810 - and with 3 bars out of 5, signal strength (SSI) 10 out of 18. However, K G O sounds more sibilant than it did a week earlier on H D. Hmmmmm... In the daytime, I am trying to connect with 50-kw directional K T C T 1050 (aka "KNBR 1050")...it will not lock in on H D, the analog signal strength is now only 2, and drops out on my Sangean... Same with 5-kw directional KKGN 960 (the former KABL), which sounds awful on analog, BTW... 5-kw KNEW 910's keeps fluctauating on and off. When it locks in, it's 3 or 4 bars, signal strength between 9 and 11 out of 18 when H D locks in. (Addendum: I cannot hear adult standards 920 K V I N like I used to in my car.) 50-kw directional K F B K 1530's signal is not strong enough to receive H D... I noticed that 5-kw 840 K M P H in Modesto and 50-kw 860 K T R B in San Francisco, both owned by Pappas Broadcasting (blech!), have shut off the H D on both stations... 830 K N C O, Grass Valley, got wiped out on my analog radio when K M P H's H D was on in my car... Meantime, my friend Bob and Darlene in coastal Lincoln City, Oregon, can hear K G O 810's splatter at 800 and 820 at night, which must be wiping out Waldport's K O A C 820 nighttime signal...yet all I can get on K G O-H D is a non-consistent SSI 10 about 60 miles from K G O's xmtr as the crow flies? (Waldport is about 25 miles south of Lincoln City, in the same county.) I echo the sentiments of earlier posts: There NEEDS to be some serious re-looking at A M-IBOC. With the interference and the 50,000-watt analog seemingly putting out the equivalent of 5,000-watts HD, AM-IBOC is just not worth the trouble... At least I got my Sangean H D radio at $110 - a display model, the last that Fry's had left (Fry's Electronics in the Bay Area was getting rid of its H D radios due to lack of sales and promotion)... --jay --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From djjayarnold@yahoo.com Sun Sep 23 11:01:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: djjayarnold@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68293 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2007 18:01:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2007 18:01:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com) (216.252.100.58) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2007 18:01:39 -0000 Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2007 18:00:24 -0000 Received: from [209.191.119.163] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2007 18:00:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp102.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2007 18:00:24 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 381803.51504.bm@omp102.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 51386 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Sep 2007 18:00:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 29SfcR0VM1lkyAYQp0rHs5iYgoaewNK6ogjcp3Oqy8eeE5l39QXWovj23DEUri4UJ21t0bbiixbtQHnn0Lbk2EqlQNA94.GpwjXN Received: from [68.126.150.47] by web45308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:00:23 PDT Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:00:23 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <304608.56425.qm@web45302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <797774.51177.qm@web45308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 216.252.100.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Arnold Subject: Correction Re: {AMSF} The IBOC Future (was: Re: What a fascinating evening's apocalypse . . . .) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317204437; y=rZBToG0CPby9a338FBH_qxnFSQUxNDadotBgg4H_Th3sXSRv2yg X-Yahoo-Profile: djjayarnold Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oops. Make that K O R C 820 - K O A C is Oregon State's OPB station at 550 AM... --jay --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Sep 23 21:31:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77864 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2007 04:31:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2007 04:31:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.152) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2007 04:31:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 97775 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Sep 2007 04:31:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ltaxg6QVM1lCp0k8b2vflFauzSZFCHynUpqeN3ejSyT8oFuz6gwUzSXmadoNgiR1Ww7HIR6Zoou.lx_f30hFC.ullTQoIi3MUp25In3eTYeGsJ0skG7gbnduhA-- Received: from [72.241.129.52] by web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:31:05 PDT Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:31:05 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <793062.97640.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Build Your Own AM Receivers and Tuners CC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=RHisqqOoK3mt0onr4XoMYcrZsZLnXRcLKKNhLdGbAC6AKQ06KyuDXAQ X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Bob wrote: "...It's up to the big radio ownership to start manufacturing their own radios in North America..." I've been saying this for the past 5 years - ClearChannel needs to be more like the original owner of WLW - Powell Crosley as Powell MADE his OWN RADIOS for the masses (and made a lot of money too). How about it CC? JP PS: Is our Powell related? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Sep 24 00:08:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68077 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2007 07:08:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2007 07:08:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2007 07:08:10 -0000 Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id r.c0c.1e8f43bc (52845) for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 03:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-d17 (mblk-d17.mblk.aol.com [205.188.149.9]) by cia-m03.mx.aol.com (v119.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAM035-ce6d46f7613a297; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 03:03:22 -0400 References: <793062.97640.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 03:03:22 -0400 In-Reply-To: <793062.97640.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 30583 Received: from 70.245.209.126 by mblk-d17.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.9) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 03:03:22 -0400 Message-Id: <8C9CC90211E7D76-D60-78DB@mblk-d17.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.149.9 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Build Your Own AM Receivers and Tuners CC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=uDd0qIR7Pp-UfxSexBYb5GJKVXeRbF4JraUlWfTBqHaS2RiOSmy7VuJa8fPwiNh_ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The good citizens of Cincinnati who were the employees of Mr. Crosley didn't work for the slave wages like the Chinese who we now rely on for our consumer electronics. GE who now owns NBC makes radios.? I have a GE Superadio.? I doesn't sound as good on AM nor can pull in as many stations as my Zenith 10A1 built in 1941 by American workers in Chicago. Like everything else, radios have been Walmarted. Speaking of being Walmarted, our hometown Infinity Broadcasting owned Class 1A 50 kW clear channel station had an ad up at the local community college looking for reporters?to work for?$7.00.? As a point of reference, the college bookstore pays $8.00 an hour. Mike ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 24 05:35:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45269 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2007 12:35:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2007 12:35:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2007 12:35:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 4751 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Sep 2007 12:35:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: RKxFXUUVM1mgG1arldfphRr3QPqWH3UJxnptfpsSmGAQ24EP7IP_VSNVT99_4msWvt_4XVQOR3Egk1h5xkVX6jSX7UhM4.4qyXPkqapGIukKOF3DJoC5u1pP5Q-- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 05:35:21 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 05:35:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <410505.4342.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 From: "John P." Subject: Digital Power vs Analog Power Components X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=qf66P2W9pXAdAhnB-PKuQHqziRxCuv7tO6PXmcx8q1tln_G4UrPHtuA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Someone indicated that 50KW stations were putting 5KW of digital power out at night - I don't think it's even that high, and that's why we can't expect to DX the clear channel stations at night. Our two HD-AM locals indicate that they have closer to 1% digital component; their 5KW puts out less than 50W digital, and their 1KW graveyard station is only 7 watts digital (which does surprisingly well 5 miles from the transmitter). ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ From wnmb@sc.rr.com Mon Sep 24 05:56:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43219 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2007 12:56:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2007 12:56:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.31) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2007 12:56:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2007 12:56:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2007 12:56:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:56:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.63.227.62 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: Got some unusual background noise on my signal at WNMB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=DQUk6taMoQmC7eRolAn0ijAP98sCHgciAp5t1CPavgmKig X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Here's something I've posted on the Radio-Info pages. I am placing=20 it here as well because some of you are familiar with IBOC, which I=20 am not.=20=20 For the past couple of weeks, there's been a noise in my on air=20 audio in the night and early morning hours. Although I am posting=20 here, I am not blaming anyone or anything. I am instead, hoping,=20 those of you familiar with IBOC, which I am not, might help me rule=20 it out as a culprit. The noise is sort of like a hiss which is about the same level all=20 the time. I am providing a link here so that you can listen. I=20 suggest using the link rather than typing it yourself because it is=20 case sensitive. http://www.waynesweb.com/WNMB728am.mp3 Here are particulars. The background noise is noticeable at night=20 and through the critical hours. During the daytime, I believe our=20 signal is covering it up. This piece was recorded using a Sony SRF-A100 receiver. The=20 receiver was located at our studios. It's about 5 air miles from our=20 transmitter and tower site. We broadcast with 500 watts at AM 900=20 24 hours a day. This piece was recorded at 7:28 a.m. on 24 Sept.=20 2007; just past sunrise here and critical hour time. We use the Sony as an "air" monitor and we have several such=20 radios. They all sound the same in relation to the noise. Now, we hear some noise from time to time anyway. such things as=20 thunderstorms and sometimes man made interference which can be=20 identified. This appears to be something different. Other info; our audio chain is clean. There's no noise in the=20 studio, stl, optimod or transmitter audio stages. All is clean. All=20 sounds great all the time within a couple of miles of the towers. I=20 will be happy to answer any questions or provide more info. Any=20 ideas? Bill. wnmb From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Sep 24 06:39:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70532 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2007 13:39:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2007 13:39:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.240) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2007 13:39:06 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n26.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2007 13:37:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2007 13:37:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2007 13:37:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:37:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.183.12.58 From: "narkspud" Subject: Re: Got some unusual background noise on my signal at WNMB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=2fpsMu3LTZei2ibNKDm6I9_f9AbC90RNw28FmtMqHasRT90 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Hmmmmm . . . could be! What first adjacents can be heard at the time of the noise? If one of them= is HD, then=20 that's your culprit. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > > Here's something I've posted on the Radio-Info pages. I am placing=20 > it here as well because some of you are familiar with IBOC, which I=20 > am not.=20=20 >=20 > For the past couple of weeks, there's been a noise in my on air=20 > audio in the night and early morning hours. Although I am posting=20 > here, I am not blaming anyone or anything. I am instead, hoping,=20 > those of you familiar with IBOC, which I am not, might help me rule=20 > it out as a culprit. > The noise is sort of like a hiss which is about the same level all=20 > the time. I am providing a link here so that you can listen. I=20 > suggest using the link rather than typing it yourself because it is=20 > case sensitive. >=20 > http://www.waynesweb.com/WNMB728am.mp3 >=20 > Here are particulars. The background noise is noticeable at night=20 > and through the critical hours. During the daytime, I believe our=20 > signal is covering it up. > This piece was recorded using a Sony SRF-A100 receiver. The=20 > receiver was located at our studios. It's about 5 air miles from our=20 > transmitter and tower site. We broadcast with 500 watts at AM 900=20 > 24 hours a day. This piece was recorded at 7:28 a.m. on 24 Sept.=20 > 2007; just past sunrise here and critical hour time. > We use the Sony as an "air" monitor and we have several such=20 > radios. They all sound the same in relation to the noise. > Now, we hear some noise from time to time anyway. such things as=20 > thunderstorms and sometimes man made interference which can be=20 > identified. This appears to be something different. > Other info; our audio chain is clean. There's no noise in the=20 > studio, stl, optimod or transmitter audio stages. All is clean. All=20 > sounds great all the time within a couple of miles of the towers. I=20 > will be happy to answer any questions or provide more info. Any=20 > ideas? Bill. wnmb > From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Sep 24 06:56:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69345 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2007 13:56:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2007 13:56:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.158) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2007 13:56:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 5399 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Sep 2007 13:56:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: pIN_Dm8VM1nswrWrn6Ub.U_s9oDOLt4msuFGQ0VEstAQLVMStHSMc3c0s43zTrY_gT1vKeD71Q-- Received: from [209.213.18.107] by web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 06:56:17 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 06:56:17 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <445708.5256.qm@web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Got some unusual background noise on my signal at WNMB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=0_uA_gIffkOwdBRiutSmCFGZILPHGkCrVy6w0Q6jGsc X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- narkspud wrote: > Hmmmmm . . . could be! > > What first adjacents can be heard at the time of the > noise? If one of them is HD, then > that's your culprit. 890 Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Sep 24 10:07:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31145 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2007 17:07:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2007 17:07:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.30) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2007 17:07:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2007 17:07:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2007 17:07:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:07:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <445708.5256.qm@web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.70.167.8 From: "narkspud" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Got some unusual background noise on my signal at WNMB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=F4pKUvK2CoPWZMhSd8WFriELD5iUdAF7YnDh_1xaaG7R8jw X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud I should have been more specific: What STATION is audible on the first adj= acents? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" = wrote: > >=20 > --- narkspud wrote: >=20 > > Hmmmmm . . . could be! > >=20 > > What first adjacents can be heard at the time of the > > noise? If one of them is HD, then=20 > > that's your culprit. >=20 >=20 >=20 > 890 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Sep 24 10:33:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43375 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2007 17:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2007 17:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.161) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2007 17:33:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 41965 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Sep 2007 17:33:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: jrdh4JIVM1mGDB1tXHESQQKi.C4iXZsGIQWXw7b0lQvS9ehve0QP2dq4wKrhMhDVi6hSs9RYow-- Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:33:26 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:33:26 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <415689.41775.qm@web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Got some unusual background noise on my signal at WNMB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=VGVsrXoOqWvsMc6GFz1PdEPhlI06eCwYbEzZftIJh3U X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- narkspud wrote: > I should have been more specific: What STATION is > audible on the first adjacents? WLS 890 is a second adjacent. 2nd adjacent interference can be wicked if the station is very strong. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Sep 24 11:07:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40826 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2007 18:07:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2007 18:07:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.104) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2007 18:07:00 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n10.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2007 18:06:05 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2007 18:06:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2007 18:06:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:06:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.124.122.102 From: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: Got some unusual background noise on my signal at WNMB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=bUw8mvlcSF0cvUfOYqitRvQG_q1WBsNHM1o0jMHQGzVVsC-ElukHeP0r6-KH-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > > I am instead, hoping, those of you familiar with IBOC, which I am not, might help me rule it out as a culprit. It does sound like QRM from HD-Radio (IBOC). Most likely it is coming from WLS 890. You can hear it REAL GOOD here in Coulterville, IL! Kevin From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Sep 24 11:47:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61355 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2007 18:47:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2007 18:47:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.107) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2007 18:47:37 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n11.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2007 18:46:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2007 18:46:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2007 18:46:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:46:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.107 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.149.16.45 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: Got some unusual background noise on my signal at WNMB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=Dthpv8UJP7y0mdi9Yse3CL4fJgE7Rm1KKe2ro0Z2O6Ytf00 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > > Here's something I've posted on the Radio-Info pages. I am=20 placing=20 > it here as well because some of you are familiar with IBOC, which=20 I=20 > am not.=20=20 >=20 > For the past couple of weeks, there's been a noise in my on air=20 > audio in the night and early morning hours. Although I am posting=20 > here, I am not blaming anyone or anything. I am instead, hoping,=20 > those of you familiar with IBOC, which I am not, might help me=20 rule=20 > it out as a culprit. > The noise is sort of like a hiss which is about the same level all=20 > the time. I am providing a link here so that you can listen. I=20 > suggest using the link rather than typing it yourself because it=20 is=20 > case sensitive. >=20 > http://www.waynesweb.com/WNMB728am.mp3 >=20 > Here are particulars. The background noise is noticeable at night=20 > and through the critical hours. During the daytime, I believe our=20 > signal is covering it up. > This piece was recorded using a Sony SRF-A100 receiver. The=20 > receiver was located at our studios. It's about 5 air miles from=20 our=20 > transmitter and tower site. We broadcast with 500 watts at AM=20 900=20 > 24 hours a day. This piece was recorded at 7:28 a.m. on 24 Sept.=20 > 2007; just past sunrise here and critical hour time. > We use the Sony as an "air" monitor and we have several such=20 > radios. They all sound the same in relation to the noise. > Now, we hear some noise from time to time anyway. such things as=20 > thunderstorms and sometimes man made interference which can be=20 > identified. This appears to be something different. > Other info; our audio chain is clean. There's no noise in the=20 > studio, stl, optimod or transmitter audio stages. All is clean.=20=20 All=20 > sounds great all the time within a couple of miles of the towers.=20 I=20 > will be happy to answer any questions or provide more info. Any=20 > ideas? Bill. wnmb Bill, First of all, thank you for your time on Friday. It was a pleasure=20 visiting WNMB and reminiscing about Radio. Thanks also for the Dick Biondi Super Gold demo. I forgot to mention to you that I did hear the noise you are=20 describing, but I heard it at night in Myrtle Beach and I was not in=20 range of WNMB at the time. Actually this would have been around=20 Surfside Beach. Because of all the noise from the Condo, I couldn't=20 tell the difference between what could be IBOC, or just hash from=20 the building, although WNMB punched through the noise pretty well Anyway, thanks again and I will keep in touch. P.S. The station sounds great, and so does that AM Stereo. You are a=20 great Broadcaster with a great station. Juan Gualda=20 Fort Pierce, FL From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 24 11:49:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26270 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2007 18:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2007 18:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.228) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2007 18:49:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 68154 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Sep 2007 18:48:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: x40MJ18VM1k7igZnWEEf7xkR7EQwrIYUJVIVSJbJsjHBAg1Yg.ndoMmWroyjj_HP2evprS0c.VXrzpH9.tBboYJFWe4253MdnV_aNSRg2LbzDjsJ9e4rUqwqGLUq3DnEe343.k.0B..B..tv0mnMGJxDZA-- Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:48:40 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:48:40 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <505638.67823.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Got some unusual background noise on my signal at WNMB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=lMFiHWk0wBMzKC0TQxiYzWq6He-eyfDU2DMV7yikhynBkb2wu00v X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio How about 2nd-adjacent WCBS/880? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 24 18:31:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70429 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2007 01:31:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2007 01:31:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2007 01:31:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2007 01:31:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2007 01:31:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 01:31:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.35.136.213 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Got some unusual background noise on my signal at WNMB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=5y5Pc0NrCumLGcTmKeoKhQPFs9v37ahQTKmUZWWLMkCP--MTeyIzR6ojV8M4Ij5C1Vm9TS8k X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > > Here's something I've posted on the Radio-Info pages. I am placing=20 > it here as well because some of you are familiar with IBOC, which I=20 > am not.=20=20 >=20 > For the past couple of weeks, there's been a noise in my on air=20 > audio in the night and early morning hours. Although I am posting=20 > here, I am not blaming anyone or anything. I am instead, hoping,=20 > those of you familiar with IBOC, which I am not, might help me rule=20 > it out as a culprit. > The noise is sort of like a hiss which is about the same level all=20 > the time. I am providing a link here so that you can listen. I=20 > suggest using the link rather than typing it yourself because it is=20 > case sensitive. >=20 > http://www.waynesweb.com/WNMB728am.mp3 >=20 > Here are particulars. The background noise is noticeable at night=20 > and through the critical hours. During the daytime, I believe our=20 > signal is covering it up. > This piece was recorded using a Sony SRF-A100 receiver. The=20 > receiver was located at our studios. It's about 5 air miles from=20 our=20 > transmitter and tower site. We broadcast with 500 watts at AM 900=20 > 24 hours a day. This piece was recorded at 7:28 a.m. on 24 Sept.=20 > 2007; just past sunrise here and critical hour time. > We use the Sony as an "air" monitor and we have several such=20 > radios. They all sound the same in relation to the noise. > Now, we hear some noise from time to time anyway. such things as=20 > thunderstorms and sometimes man made interference which can be=20 > identified. This appears to be something different. > Other info; our audio chain is clean. There's no noise in the=20 > studio, stl, optimod or transmitter audio stages. All is clean.=20=20 All=20 > sounds great all the time within a couple of miles of the towers. I=20 > will be happy to answer any questions or provide more info. Any=20 > ideas? Bill. wnmb > Hi Bill Was your Sony SRF A100 in wide mode? I have a hard time=20 getting clean audio out of the A100 in wide mode. Jim Smith From robert.w.welch@att.net Mon Sep 24 18:53:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5987 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2007 01:53:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2007 01:53:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.166) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2007 01:53:51 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n7.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2007 01:53:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2007 01:53:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2007 01:53:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 01:53:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8C9CC90211E7D76-D60-78DB@mblk-d17.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.166 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: Build Your Own AM Receivers and Tuners CC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=aetJhAdE7dE9Tb_gzgdDQwPPfKQ1rL8hdb4zWMVS61_u2yFFzbYC X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > >=20 > The good citizens of Cincinnati who were the employees of Mr.=20 Crosley didn't work for the slave wages like the Chinese who we now=20 rely on for our consumer electronics. >=20 >=20 >=20 > GE who now owns NBC makes radios.? I have a GE Superadio.? I=20 doesn't sound as good on AM nor can pull in as many stations as my=20 Zenith 10A1 built in 1941 by American workers in Chicago. In the end I agree with you whole heartedly... however I also note=20 the GE irony... they make radios... since an FCC ruling some 20 years=20 ago.. in order to prevent something much smaller from today's reality=20 to take shape... NBC Radio Stations does not exist. I guess this is=20 what we call progress. >=20 > Like everything else, radios have been Walmarted. >=20 > Speaking of being Walmarted, our hometown Infinity Broadcasting=20 owned Class 1A 50 kW clear channel station had an ad up at the local=20 community college looking for reporters?to work for?$7.00.? As a=20 point of reference, the college bookstore pays $8.00 an hour. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 ______________________________________________________________________ __ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL=20 Mail! - http://mail.aol.com >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From robert.w.welch@att.net Mon Sep 24 18:59:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99715 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2007 01:59:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2007 01:59:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.234) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2007 01:59:15 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n24.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2007 01:58:04 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2007 01:58:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2007 01:58:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 01:58:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8C9CC90211E7D76-D60-78DB@mblk-d17.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Build Your Own AM Receivers and Tuners CC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=8KYwyaCUqky189gBOPAwiNJzJ8Q1wWvx1j1LYtIBqLo7poDZUz6x X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > >=20 > The good citizens of Cincinnati who were the employees of Mr.=20 Crosley didn't work for the slave wages like the Chinese who we now=20 rely on for our consumer electronics. >=20 >=20 >=20 > GE who now owns NBC makes radios.? I have a GE Superadio.? I=20 doesn't sound as good on AM nor can pull in as many stations as my=20 Zenith 10A1 built in 1941 by American workers in Chicago. >=20 >=20 > Like everything else, radios have been Walmarted. >=20 > Speaking of being Walmarted, our hometown Infinity Broadcasting=20 owned Class 1A 50 kW clear channel station had an ad up at the local=20 community college looking for reporters?to work for?$7.00.? As a=20 point of reference, the college bookstore pays $8.00 an hour. >=20 And just for a point of reference... WDEV (owned locally) pays me=20 $10/hr... and people wonder why I don't work in a larger market than=20 Vermont... for convenience store wages. It is sad... > Mike >=20 Bob- WDEV >=20 ______________________________________________________________________ __ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL=20 Mail! - http://mail.aol.com >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From robert.w.welch@att.net Mon Sep 24 19:20:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41507 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2007 02:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2007 02:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2007 02:20:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2007 02:20:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2007 02:20:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 02:20:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: Got some unusual background noise on my signal at WNMB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=DJXL3HtGC3YKMLW-bnSim74yuJfhmJiYAbsYbxA7MB7zNuj0ugYy X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > > Here's something I've posted on the Radio-Info pages. I am placing=20 > it here as well because some of you are familiar with IBOC, which I=20 > am not.=20=20 >=20 > For the past couple of weeks, there's been a noise in my on air=20 > audio in the night and early morning hours. Although I am posting=20 > here, I am not blaming anyone or anything. I am instead, hoping,=20 > those of you familiar with IBOC, which I am not, might help me rule=20 > it out as a culprit. > The noise is sort of like a hiss which is about the same level all=20 > the time. I am providing a link here so that you can listen. I=20 > suggest using the link rather than typing it yourself because it is=20 > case sensitive. >=20 > http://www.waynesweb.com/WNMB728am.mp3 >=20 > Here are particulars. The background noise is noticeable at night=20 > and through the critical hours. During the daytime, I believe our=20 > signal is covering it up. > This piece was recorded using a Sony SRF-A100 receiver. The=20 > receiver was located at our studios. It's about 5 air miles from=20 our=20 > transmitter and tower site. We broadcast with 500 watts at AM 900=20 > 24 hours a day. This piece was recorded at 7:28 a.m. on 24 Sept.=20 > 2007; just past sunrise here and critical hour time. > We use the Sony as an "air" monitor and we have several such=20 > radios. They all sound the same in relation to the noise. > Now, we hear some noise from time to time anyway. such things as=20 > thunderstorms and sometimes man made interference which can be=20 > identified. This appears to be something different. > Other info; our audio chain is clean. There's no noise in the=20 > studio, stl, optimod or transmitter audio stages. All is clean.=20=20 All=20 > sounds great all the time within a couple of miles of the towers. I=20 > will be happy to answer any questions or provide more info. Any=20 > ideas? Bill. wnmb > I heard your clip... I think you can thank that station once=20 called "The Big 89..." WLS Chicago for that one. That hiss is as=20 characteristic of IBOC-HD on AM as the "chirp" on the CBS Radio=20 Network heard before a program comes on the air. I hear that same=20 hiss drowning out WBAL up here in Vermont. The hiss coming from=20 WTIC... unfortunately... eventhough I have an HD radio I can't hear=20 any of WTIC's product in HD. I haven't as of yet anyway. Bob - WDEV From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 24 20:02:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72797 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2007 03:02:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2007 03:02:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2007 03:02:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 92164 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Sep 2007 03:01:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LvhPG.MVM1nNgWE_WRGOSTk2wMwaRXBuLK_0GAqCMJKXtpUCZnNq8QtJHP2zLxtJrXjC90d5I5kCW.3T2nNE107nK2fet3d4vk.Qr4XMLy6o5ynd9jGTLR4Zcg-- Received: from [72.241.129.52] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:01:11 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:01:11 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <327156.92077.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: CKOC-AM Stereo 1150 ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=HVVkzkr1d7jWheHEXgqkwjLL_zilnC588FYb6Dc28Rxd7sOeWWSIwnA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio from their website: "...724,300 listeners a week. On August 10th, 1983, CKOC became the first AM radio station in Canada to broadcast in full AM stereo using the Motorola C-QUAM system. From 1922 on, CKOC was always the "pioneer" in broadcasting..." Anybody know if CKOC 1150 is still in AM stereo? I'll have to see if I can tune them in tonight. John ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Sep 24 21:22:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98720 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2007 04:22:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2007 04:22:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2007 04:22:11 -0000 Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id r.cee.1baf71e0 (37546) for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 00:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail-md16 (webmail-md16.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.134]) by cia-mb02.mx.aol.com (v119.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB027-92aa46f88c00212; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 00:18:08 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 00:18:09 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 30583 Received: from 70.245.209.126 by webmail-md16.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.134) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 00:18:09 -0400 Message-Id: <8C9CD4236AEC962-52C-7C2B@webmail-md16.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.170.134 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Build Your Own AM Receivers and Tuners CC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Srcxhz6FuGyNYutPP9BBVQQtzTSXCQomLq-lNSvnB3CdzLnTvePIKrP4m9l8iufr X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob, It is truly sad what have happened to radio broadcasting.? I never worked in television so I can't comment. Radio has had all the life (read money) sucked out of it.? Too many ownership changes, consolidations, etc..? Once started, it begins a death spiralling race to the bottom.? Corporate scavengers buy a station with borrowed money, so expenses get cut to pay the debt.? Cuts in budgets bring about declines in program quality and a loss of listenership.? Declines in listenerships results in declines in ad revenue and less income.? Less income results in further cuts and so on and so on.? Until there is nothing left.? Then the scavenger sells the license to another station who puts it off the air entirely in order to increase their power, change their pattern, etc. for more coverage. In the late 1960s, when Top 40 radio was at its zenith (no pun intended), broadcasting was a passion for those who thrived in it.? Everyone made at living (or better) from the GM to the guy who emptied the waste cans at night. No more.? Many stations don't take in enough ad revenue to pay the electric bill on the transmitter.? And why should they with the crap the station is putting up the tower.?? In the mid-50's radio as it existed at the time?lost most of its audience to the new media of television.? The network radio dramas, comedies, game shows, etc. became a thing of the past.? The large stations relied on network programming much like today's stations rely on satelite programming.? A young man born into a beer family had a truly innovative idea.? His name was Todd Storz.? He created Top 40 radio with local, independent programming.? We need another fresh idea.? We can't revived the past, much as we might want to.? If Todd Storz's idea had been to come up with better radio dramas, comedies, etc., he would have failed.? In the era of Hollywood remakes, infinite sequels, prequels, and knockoffs, we need new ideas. Radio will come back.? It's just waiting the next Todd Storz. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Bob Welch To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 8:58 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Build Your Own AM Receivers and Tuners CC --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > > The good citizens of Cincinnati who were the employees of Mr. Crosley didn't work for the slave wages like the Chinese who we now rely on for our consumer electronics. > > > > GE who now owns NBC makes radios.? I have a GE Superadio.? I doesn't sound as good on AM nor can pull in as many stations as my Zenith 10A1 built in 1941 by American workers in Chicago. > > > Like everything else, radios have been Walmarted. > > Speaking of being Walmarted, our hometown Infinity Broadcasting owned Class 1A 50 kW clear channel station had an ad up at the local community college looking for reporters?to work for?$7.00.? As a point of reference, the college bookstore pays $8.00 an hour. > And just for a point of reference... WDEV (owned locally) pays me $10/hr... and people wonder why I don't work in a larger market than Vermont... for convenience store wages. It is sad... > Mike > Bob- WDEV > __________________________________________________________ __ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Sep 24 21:34:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12995 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2007 04:34:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2007 04:34:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2007 04:34:38 -0000 Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id r.ce8.1807b1bd (52650) for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 00:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail-md16 (webmail-md16.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.134]) by cia-d16.mx.aol.com (v119.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAD164-cdaa46f88edf2ec; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 00:30:23 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 00:30:24 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 30583 Received: from 70.245.209.126 by webmail-md16.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.134) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 00:30:24 -0400 Message-Id: <8C9CD43ECC35285-52C-7C7D@webmail-md16.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.170.134 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Got some unusual background noise on my signal at WNMB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=7TCJJXP7tthjiQ9jiobP1p_qoOKIdZ2nK6G8KV0zrJvhbAyQdwh9n5aqlqvEi3vc X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just one more reason The Big 89 needs to go back to C-QUAM. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Possum Hunter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 1:06 pm Subject: {AMSF} Re: Got some unusual background noise on my signal at WNMB --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > > I am instead, hoping, those of you familiar with IBOC, which I am not, might help me rule it out as a culprit. It does sound like QRM from HD-Radio (IBOC). Most likely it is coming from WLS 890. You can hear it REAL GOOD here in Coulterville, IL! Kevin ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Sep 24 22:20:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67742 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2007 05:20:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2007 05:20:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2007 05:20:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2007 05:20:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2007 05:20:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:20:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.88 From: "jotape1960" Subject: A suspicious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=P15JuQAdxbd93EjFic6n1qvoh1U18hdWfw_ei-dbZF2xNiwAsQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI GANG!!! I have a suspicious thought and I can't take it out of my mind: Won't it be that the IBOC system is intended to kill the free radio=20 reception and force all the people to pay to listen music (including=20 the musicians/authors royalties in the packet)? It just my suspicious thought. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 24 23:35:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96160 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2007 06:35:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2007 06:35:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp122.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.95) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2007 06:35:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 93853 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2007 06:35:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO z4x8l4) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.8.235.18 with login) by smtp122.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2007 06:35:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1cZ47wIVM1k5sX.OsxxINI2D5E.RDkfwHc8KryyHPq76GUNpuKxcfHj93igDIlBmzOrenmLXhA-- Message-ID: <000001c7ff3e$800ded00$20a4fea9@z4x8l4> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "Jim Smith" Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:25:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.95 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: For those that wanted to know X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=rAXzTB4tXGbautzwHMRQbMa-vWnqAMrPcA_O2Hfcq1oesZjRECmSEww8GfY9rVfulJfRdDrK X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang For those that wanted to know I listen to all my audio streams through DSL 350 kbps and most of them still sound like crap like the one I am listening to right now WSM AM 650's web steam. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon Sep 24 23:37:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10036 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2007 06:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2007 06:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.60) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2007 06:37:45 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2007 06:37:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2007 06:37:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 06:37:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.75.71.150 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: A suspicious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=vlV55JWFbxSJOykdu8JooI9OQwd4hXynF-W289nLsPE X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > HI GANG!!! >=20 > I have a suspicious thought and I can't take it out of my mind: >=20 > Won't it be that the IBOC system is intended to kill the free radio=20 > reception and force all the people to pay to listen music=20 (including=20 > the musicians/authors royalties in the packet)? >=20 > It just my suspicious thought. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love Hi Juan That has been already told by me and others at least before one=20 year... and even mentioned again some days before from someone else=20 here! I do like however, that is still just a suspicious thinking of=20 yours :)=20 Noooo... ;) Can't be that the true reason for implementating such a=20 radio digitalization system with no matter what that will cost both=20 on money and also on "troubles"! No, absolutely not. We must think=20 positive for it, it's all about "fidelity issues" and nothing=20 more! :)=20 Back at 2002 (or 2001 it was?) when I was at a DAB related technical=20 meeting for the EU countries private/commercial radio broadcasting=20 association, where there was also representation from the EBU (EU=20 national broadcaster union), the DAB feature of digital radios pay=20 per listen capability, was strongly presented as one benefit and one=20 of the main reasons for the transaction to it! And for DAB was also=20 the "fidelity issue" at first! And still this is the main public=20 presented reason for convincing the listeners side! And this is=20 logical. Think what listeners would say if the first and main reason=20 presented at them is that they will have to pay for listening radio!=20 So the "fidelity" word selected, instead... :) From narkspud@hotmail.com Tue Sep 25 05:13:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29699 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2007 12:13:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2007 12:13:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.117) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2007 12:13:01 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2007 12:11:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2007 12:11:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2007 12:11:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:11:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.183.12.58 From: "narkspud" Subject: Re: A suspicious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=L6mQ0iX6yuI_wPcLul5BFHsjRFVw1Ab950-kp6QGKW-ocqw X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Even if that had been their intention, you guys have nothing to worry about= . Pay broadcast=20 radio is not a viable business model. It isn't working for satellite, and = they have 2 bazillion=20 stations to choose from! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 > wrote: > > > > HI GANG!!! > >=20 > > I have a suspicious thought and I can't take it out of my mind: > >=20 > > Won't it be that the IBOC system is intended to kill the free radio=20 > > reception and force all the people to pay to listen music=20 > (including=20 > > the musicians/authors royalties in the packet)? > >=20 > > It just my suspicious thought. > >=20 > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > >=20 > >=20 > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 > Hi Juan > That has been already told by me and others at least before one=20 > year... and even mentioned again some days before from someone else=20 > here! > I do like however, that is still just a suspicious thinking of=20 > yours :)=20 > Noooo... ;) Can't be that the true reason for implementating such a=20 > radio digitalization system with no matter what that will cost both=20 > on money and also on "troubles"! No, absolutely not. We must think=20 > positive for it, it's all about "fidelity issues" and nothing=20 > more! :)=20 > Back at 2002 (or 2001 it was?) when I was at a DAB related technical=20 > meeting for the EU countries private/commercial radio broadcasting=20 > association, where there was also representation from the EBU (EU=20 > national broadcaster union), the DAB feature of digital radios pay=20 > per listen capability, was strongly presented as one benefit and one=20 > of the main reasons for the transaction to it! And for DAB was also=20 > the "fidelity issue" at first! And still this is the main public=20 > presented reason for convincing the listeners side! And this is=20 > logical. Think what listeners would say if the first and main reason=20 > presented at them is that they will have to pay for listening radio!=20 > So the "fidelity" word selected, instead... :) > From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Sep 25 06:32:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 661 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2007 13:31:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2007 13:31:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2007 13:31:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 63160 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Sep 2007 13:31:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rsu5pH8VM1lWc6iZ.mp7._683XD2elChAihk5iPx7ZMBFcLJMLbGt7hUu.qugG47a9KNQUndXQ-- Received: from [209.213.18.192] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 06:31:45 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 06:31:45 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <221918.62266.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A suspicious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=8Yl4piGBB-mCfcLqXUhkMi_FW38rjW94Co4fg-_uYoM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jotape1960 wrote: > HI GANG!!! > > I have a suspicious thought and I can't take it out > of my mind: > > Won't it be that the IBOC system is intended to kill > the free radio > reception and force all the people to pay to listen > music (including > the musicians/authors royalties in the packet)? > > It just my suspicious thought. > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! No, there's NOT a lot on radio that's worth listening to in many places. The decent stuff has been runnnnnnnnn off the air anyway. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From wa2fnq@optonline.net Tue Sep 25 09:40:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36964 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2007 16:40:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2007 16:40:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.209) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2007 16:40:28 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2007 16:39:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2007 16:39:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2007 16:39:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:39:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000001c7ff3e$800ded00$20a4fea9@z4x8l4> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: For those that wanted to know X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=spNQlgbBFFJn67VUdyEUz7k9kU8VNZoyYqnjbIrnj6yT X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Hi Jim, I'm sorta coming in at the middle of this but: Your internet connection is fast enough but if the station chooses to=20 stream at a low bit rate then it sounds like crap. Unfortunately most=20 stations do this to conserve bandwidth or allow potential listeners=20 with slower speed connections to listen. It's the user of the=20 technology not the technology that makes it sound bad. Listen to my=20 stream at: http://www.1290gli.com Go down the page and click on Listen Live. You should notice a=20 difference. All of the material isn't perfect because it's taken from=20 various different sources but you'll get the idea. If that doesn't do=20 it for you go to: http://www.shoutcast.com Listen to some of the stations running 128k. When aac is used to=20 stream it gets even better but not everyone has the ability to listen=20 to that.=20 Jerry WA2FNQ =20=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang For those that wanted to know I listen to all my audio=20 streams through DSL 350 kbps and most of them still sound like crap=20 like the one I am listening to right now WSM AM 650's web steam. Jim=20 Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Sep 26 06:58:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68916 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2007 13:58:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2007 13:58:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2007 13:58:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 75598 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Sep 2007 13:58:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZmMWvAYVM1k5kjUAYmNDJvJ2znQypcUcWQpXrphYTOhOsOGlv2JPok9IUFsnA3Re5Pdh7hR9PzJUXi4Sk2KZkTVoEWwjtKdKmPUfVL20zanEFyRGoOiXaUCPxQ-- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 06:58:22 PDT Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 06:58:22 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <658934.75286.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: A suspicious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=SjN6SUnw4k5J5I-SahNMq-TzZGmw2SaG68DjaFCNXDuA6Ko1kDHSGM4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio The only thing that they could get me to pay for on radio is 'beautiful instrumental music' - like the FM radio of the 60s and early 70s. That's why I give XM the bucks now. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From robert.w.welch@att.net Wed Sep 26 15:44:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75267 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2007 22:44:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2007 22:44:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.213) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2007 22:44:17 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2007 22:44:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2007 22:44:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2007 22:44:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:44:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <658934.75286.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: A suspicious question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=Jq2Ix5L2EKIGCG6zkuYqCFRfEktdNQDRcNqtJdAxRAOG90oD53vC X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > The only thing that they could get me to pay for on radio=20 is 'beautiful > instrumental music' - like the FM radio of the 60s and early 70s. > That's why I give XM the bucks now. I feel angry that I have to pay for Sirius in order to get to listen=20 to World Report in the morning and The World at 6/ As It Happens in=20 the evening in my car from The CBC now. Eventhough I live with in=20 the listening area of the old CBM 940 (now, CINW "940 Montreal.") However... I do. My everloving owner (and.. he is truly one of that=20 rare breed that never sold out to anyone) signed up for Democracy Now=20 from Pacifica instead of The CBC's broadcast offerings through Public=20 Radio International. VPR doesn't want the stuff that then means=20 anyone else can take it. But, we digress. I often wonder which kind of transmitter tower arrangement would keep=20 itself together in event of a weather emergency.. an FM antenna held=20 up by a tower someplace out of the way or... an AM tower array in an=20 easily visible and accessible place. Me being the life-long learner=20 that I always am. I have in my mind that near catastrophic ice=20 storm in January 10 years ago. The one that gave SW Qu=E9bec, The=20 Ottawa Valley and Northern New England the ole left hook. Bob- WDEV Bob >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with=20 Yahoo! FareChase. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/ > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Sep 27 11:53:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61502 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2007 18:53:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2007 18:53:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.159) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2007 18:53:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 28854 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Sep 2007 18:53:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: s4CDezgVM1ksX3GDn9WFd.XbFm12HFtKi_p320xsufVzxZz2nr1GhCkHSlfdiL._BZij7Sjw6HYIksUc6hvKqN1JWvsg6sSR5ktK8TQZwoDkG5oeCPCxw6GkvA-- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:53:23 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:53:23 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" Cc: amstereo-google MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <574967.26883.qm@web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Station Wanting to Add AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=ui7Nvu0FT1WwCHDI9-O2x1omXQ5l90MDRnB4iQ6lx5kbvy_rnD5OzsI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Whomever was on here recently asking about adding an AMS transmitter from Nautel, their part number is/was Nautel #NAPE49 = C-QUAM STEREO GENERATOR PWB Call the SERVICE DEPARTMENT - NOT SALES to get info on this. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Thu Sep 27 12:11:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 94394 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2007 19:11:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2007 19:11:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.244) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2007 19:11:53 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n27.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2007 19:11:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2007 19:11:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2007 19:11:52 -0000 Date: 27 Sep 2007 19:11:52 -0000 Message-ID: <1190920312.9085.46601.w117@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /CQuam Promotional 1985/CQuamRadioPhotos_09-85.pdf Uploaded by : toledohamradio Description : Photos of the CQuam radios in Sept. 1985 You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/CQuam%20Promotional%201985/CQuamRadioPhotos_09-85.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, toledohamradio From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Thu Sep 27 12:12:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7056 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2007 19:12:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2007 19:12:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.115) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2007 19:12:53 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2007 19:12:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2007 19:12:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2007 19:12:45 -0000 Date: 27 Sep 2007 19:12:44 -0000 Message-ID: <1190920364.5845.83772.w103@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /CQuam Promotional 1985/CQuamQuickGrowth.pdf Uploaded by : toledohamradio Description : Description of rapid growth of CQuam <2yrs You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/CQuam%20Promotional%201985/CQuamQuickGrowth.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, toledohamradio From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Thu Sep 27 12:13:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 75233 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2007 19:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2007 19:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.244) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2007 19:13:25 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n27.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2007 19:13:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2007 19:13:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2007 19:13:24 -0000 Date: 27 Sep 2007 19:13:24 -0000 Message-ID: <1190920404.1919.11351.w111@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /CQuam Promotional 1985/CQuamRadioListSept85.pdf Uploaded by : toledohamradio Description : Listing of CQuam radios for sale in Sept 85 You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/CQuam%20Promotional%201985/CQuamRadioListSept85.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, toledohamradio From baansy@yahoo.com Sat Sep 29 22:28:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25456 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2007 05:28:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2007 05:28:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.214) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2007 05:28:45 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n33.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2007 05:28:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2007 05:28:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2007 05:28:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 05:28:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 220.235.196.88 From: "baansy" Subject: AM LOOP ANTENNA PROJECT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728; y=8FIzPfw_MX2je-UOL0MQjsPTCPvXFAUoPA_w0Ew6jSGm X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy This months SiliconChip magazine here in Australia has an AM loop=20 antenna with amplifier project. The kit can be ordered from oatley electronics=20 http://secure.oatleyelectronics.com//product_info.php? cPath=3D81&products_id=3D700&osCsid=3D5fa90428bc8a6e5861794d0aba39f8c3 The main semiconductors in this project are BA4560 dual op amp SR1060 Schottky diode From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Oct 02 14:16:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99255 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2007 21:16:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2007 21:16:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.33) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2007 21:16:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2007 21:16:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2007 21:16:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 21:16:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.239.238.212 From: "Kevin T." Subject: No more nighttime IBOC on ABC/Citadel stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=GME7gKxrj8Qqq-YLX_l2BXCn-onU57L3yc0p0gbk5CXoaG-XqA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Word coming through the grapevine today is that ABC/Citadel corporate=20 has ordered all of their AM IBOC stations to discontinue nighttime=20 digital broadcasts, effective immediately. Their most well-known AM IBOC stations include 770 WABC in New York,=20 760 WJR in Detroit, 790 KABC in L.A., 810 KGO in San Francisco, and a=20 couple others. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 02 17:07:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69715 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2007 00:07:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2007 00:07:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp116.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.89) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2007 00:07:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 70393 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2007 00:07:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO z4x8l4) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.38.63.116 with login) by smtp116.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2007 00:07:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: EA5A.OgVM1nbm6XMkWz.fTo38KQG4wI6YtNqBLjoHgpL7cNgJX.NW.azc7tW1nMZxXpz_78bzw-- Message-ID: <002001c80551$ad893780$20a4fea9@z4x8l4> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "Jim Smith" Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 17:09:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.89 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: Hi Kevin T and Gang X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=uJbZYQBkw3mznPxhHxsWtfJFwelCxsSzVCquhyQd2LZS9aQ-eti7jZ560_IAFVfOqTfQ_u7_ X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Kevin T and Gang How is every one? So did ABC give any more details on the reason why on no more night time AM IBOC ? I will have to listen to my local RADIO DIS-ME KIID AM HD 1470 Sacramento Ca tonight and see if they will turn off there Horse Dung . I can also hear KGO AM HD 810 San Francisco Ca KABC AM HD 790 LA CA was all ways a hard catch mono C-QuAM HD. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Oct 02 17:29:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86548 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2007 00:29:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2007 00:29:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc13.comcast.net) (204.127.200.83) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2007 00:29:01 -0000 Received: from dhpp0db1 (c-76-24-89-165.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[76.24.89.165]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2007100300200101300hbci7e>; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 00:20:01 +0000 To: Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 20:20:11 -0400 Message-ID: <014601c80553$29419f10$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <002001c80551$ad893780$20a4fea9@z4x8l4> Thread-Index: AcgFUXaUeHdCfFyNQfuYTT6Tr9+tNgAAZ+Dw X-Originating-IP: 204.127.200.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Hi Kevin T and Gang X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394; y=wh1l0akhkw4-URhZ9w1s4JKi5HvLJGQACuqrCRZILYI X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn ABC/Citadel and Disney are no longer the same company, so we probably won't be seeing the Radio Disney affiliates shutting it off at night. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA ________________________________________ From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:10 PM To: am stereo forum Cc: Jim Smith Subject: {AMSF} Hi Kevin T and Gang Hi Kevin T and Gang How is every one? So did ABC give any more details on the reason why on no more night time AM IBOC ? I will have to listen to my local RADIO DIS-ME KIID AM HD 1470 Sacramento Ca tonight and see if they will turn off there Horse Dung . I can also hear KGO AM HD 810 San Francisco Ca KABC AM HD 790 LA CA was all ways a hard catch mono C-QuAM HD. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From robert.w.welch@att.net Tue Oct 02 19:35:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55555 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2007 02:35:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2007 02:35:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.235) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2007 02:35:27 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n24.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2007 02:35:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2007 02:35:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2007 02:35:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 02:35:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <014601c80553$29419f10$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.235 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hi Kevin T and Gang X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=KS5WmO2zz2JfFtd3lijR7byMIOluzJ4lZsmRC8uYKp7dJVs4Fp5J X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Add to that if the true definition of affiliate is being applied, the=20 network policy doesn't exactly apply. The network policy only refers=20 to its owned and operated stations. I just want to make sure we are clear with what terms we are using, for=20 the clarity of all. Bob- WDEV Radio Vermont, Inc. Owned by Vermont's Squier Family since 1931 Operated locally. From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Oct 02 21:12:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42812 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2007 04:12:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2007 04:12:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2007 04:12:52 -0000 Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d3e.1493e552 (37122) for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 00:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-D07 (fwm-d07.webmail.aol.com [205.188.160.199]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v119.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA018-9102470316ba69; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 00:12:42 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 00:12:41 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 30978-STANDARD Received: from 70.245.209.126 by FWM-D07.sysops.aol.com (205.188.160.199) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 00:12:41 -0400 Message-Id: <8C9D38AC6F7D882-FD0-917E@FWM-D07.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.160.199 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hi Kevin T and Gang X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=2kQ_b48R0Ptxl9Rqk7FJ4kUGZz5nRmuKYGk7OSaeqI_1CyB--Krur5VRIgghrgxy X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Owned by Vermont's Squier Family since 1931 Operated locally. Prepare to be assimilated into the Conglomerate Collective.? Resistance is futile. If anyone remembers the futuristic movie Brazil, no matter where on the dial one would tune, it would play that same tune.? That time is coming if it hasn't already arrived. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Bob Welch To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 9:35 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hi Kevin T and Gang Add to that if the true definition of affiliate is being applied, the network policy doesn't exactly apply. The network policy only refers to its owned and operated stations. I just want to make sure we are clear with what terms we are using, for the clarity of all. Bob- WDEV Radio Vermont, Inc. Owned by Vermont's Squier Family since 1931 Operated locally. ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Oct 02 22:48:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91196 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2007 05:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2007 05:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.180) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2007 05:48:55 -0000 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a25so8813687pyi for ; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 22:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.98.3 with SMTP id a3mr10649621pym.1191390535030; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 22:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.15.6 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 22:48:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80710022248g121f24cbx1fde18d757e876bf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 01:48:54 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: AM Stereo On A Mono Radio...? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=NKZZ_7fmvMm9N084fVsreS0bydXXRraADFKjiVkUhLMCBBKR_TqcXxoi X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, so I'm currently having some "arguments" with a few radio friends of mine, some station owners (with minor technical background) and some long time engineers. If WABV were to go solid state, install an AM Stereo exciter and AM Strereo audio processor, would we sound better even on a mono radio? Would we los any range. Right now, its about 75/25 .. with the 75 percent saying you wouldnt lose any range and that even on a mono radio, an AM Stereo station would sound better? (I even have the owner of a currently operating AM Stereo station on the eastern seaboard agreeing with me..) I'm looking purely for thoughts and opinions.. I know some people think AM Stereo is dead etc, but I'm merely looking for the facts. -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Oct 03 00:03:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55386 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2007 07:03:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2007 07:03:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2007 07:03:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2007 07:03:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2007 07:03:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 07:03:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80710022248g121f24cbx1fde18d757e876bf@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.115 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: AM Stereo On A Mono Radio...? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=QoCnapoiyPPgbmNy9sITuwdHaF0Ti5s-Ad7wj3E38cwjJMdXOA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr."=20 wrote: > > Ok, so I'm currently having some "arguments" with a few radio=20 friends of > mine, some station owners (with minor technical background) and=20 some long > time engineers. >=20 > If WABV were to go solid state, install an AM Stereo exciter and=20 AM Strereo > audio processor, would we sound better even on a mono radio? Would=20 we los > any range. >=20 > Right now, its about 75/25 .. with the 75 percent saying you=20 wouldnt lose > any range and that even on a mono radio, an AM Stereo station=20 would sound > better? (I even have the owner of a currently operating AM Stereo=20 station on > the eastern seaboard agreeing with me..) >=20 > I'm looking purely for thoughts and opinions.. I know some people=20 think AM > Stereo is dead etc, but I'm merely looking for the facts. > --=20 > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > www.walkerbroadcasting.com > www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Paul! I'm not an engineer but I think you have some "miss" information=20 here (or maybe I'm a moron and I'm absolutely wrong). My humble opinion is: (1) It's a fact that the most of the AM Stereo tuners (C-QUAM) had=20 the automatic capability to "open" the typical narrow audio bandwith=20 from 4 kHz to 8 kHz if they "catch" some stereo pilot signal, BUT IT=20 WASN'T/ISN'T A GENERAL RULE. Even worst, there was/is some AM Stereo=20 tuners with the 4 kHz narrow audio bandwidth even with stereo=20 reception. So, to transmit in Stereo (C-QUAM or ISB) doesn't guaranteed a=20 better reception quality ALL THE TIME. I know an important amount of AM broadcasters whom claim their MONO=20 sound is better than the stereo sound. ??????? It isn't my opinion,=20 I don't agree, but... I think the point is between the vacuum tube AM TXs (with the=20 typical 2nd harmonic audio distortion; absolutely natural to the=20 human ear, of course) and the today very "dry" 100% solid state AM=20 TXs (with the "perfect" non-natural but generally accepted sound).=20 If you are a boy from the 1980's, 1990's and today, of course you'll=20 prefer the all solid state sound. I'm from 1960 (a very good age)=20 and I don't bother because the vacuum tube sound, but it's my taste,=20 my opinion only. (2) The Motorola C-QUAM AM Stereo is, UNFORTUNATELY, THE only one=20 system allowed in the USA, Canada, Japan, Australia and a lot of=20 other places in the world. It's a well-known characteristic from this system the 98% negative=20 peaks limitation to prevent any tuner malfunction (because the=20 system needs an always present carrier to get a comparison signal=20 all the time). Because the age of the first generation of C-QUAM exciters and AM=20 Stereo audio processors didn't let a very negative peaks limitation=20 accuracy, there was the "temptation" to speak about the 70% of total=20 negative peaks limit, but it was/is an exaggeration (70% of limit is=20 equivalent to -3 dBs and it's absolutely noticeable). Maybe, only a personal maybe, a paragraph from the original Motorola=20 C-QUAM System presentation booklet created some basis from this=20 common mistake: "The C-QUAM signal is passed through a 70% limiter=20 to extract the incompatible incomming signal..." This paragraph=20 isn't talking about the final general audio volumen of the audible C- QUAM signal!!! It's related to an internal phase modulated carrier=20 processing INTO the C-QUAM exciter. It doesn't affect the final=20 envelope AM audio signal. Today (and I guess a lot from the past too) the audio processors can=20 handle typically up to 98% of negative peaks, specially the digital=20 domain world. So, it wouldn't be a noticeable difference between the=20 audio volumen from an AM TX with/without the C-QUAM signal. BUT!!! The same as in FM, the stereo signal will reach an small=20 geographic coverage area compared with the mono signal because the=20 band background noise. I insist, I'm not an engineer and I'm probably wrong in some or all=20 aspects. So, please, if you know something I don't..., please, let=20 me know. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From ke7ief@aol.com Wed Oct 03 01:07:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32957 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2007 08:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2007 08:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2007 08:07:01 -0000 Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id r.c88.15a537eb (49389) for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 04:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hank320a6cca48 (75-165-59-64.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.59.64]) by ciaaol-d07.mail.aol.com (v119.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD075-c0ed47034d9d28; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 04:06:54 -0400 Message-ID: <005a01c80594$5c3eb010$80f010ac@hank320a6cca48> To: References: <002001c80551$ad893780$20a4fea9@z4x8l4> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 01:06:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.59.64 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hi Kevin T and Gang X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=p8gQVv8AjltUaG_zdBzd1rMpcXKAkjJRKtg1oXaXm1g_a8p18fTR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello just joined the list has any one been able to pick up night time hd via skywave? am curious thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net To: am stereo forum Cc: Jim Smith Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 5:09 PM Subject: {AMSF} Hi Kevin T and Gang Hi Kevin T and Gang How is every one? So did ABC give any more details on the reason why on no more night time AM IBOC ? I will have to listen to my local RADIO DIS-ME KIID AM HD 1470 Sacramento Ca tonight and see if they will turn off there Horse Dung . I can also hear KGO AM HD 810 San Francisco Ca KABC AM HD 790 LA CA was all ways a hard catch mono C-QuAM HD. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Wed Oct 03 01:19:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13718 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2007 08:19:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2007 08:19:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2007 08:19:12 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2007 08:19:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2007 08:19:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 08:19:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80710022248g121f24cbx1fde18d757e876bf@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.202.74.60 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: AM Stereo On A Mono Radio...? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=5sGG5EssarVPcTy-pzop7vNOjSlZ5jJzncJ9f4t8jBU X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 First of all, the "argument" should be based on who provides the=20 information for each part. If you ask someone that it hasn't worked=20 with the CQUAM (or any other system, ie ISB/KAHN) you will get=20 unrealistic answers and oppinions. For example, I have run tests the=20 last 3 years with both CQUAM & ISB and at either very low power=20 levels (no more than 200W PEP) and also some tests with an output=20 power of 4kW PEP. The second one was a station working at mono for=20 more than a decade, with the same installation running all the time.=20 this is to say that any noticable difference during CQUAM test will=20 be directly connected at the AM Stereo add on, and not at a change of=20 transmitting chain hardware! The tests have shown that at both cases,=20 low power & high power, there wasn't any noticable decrease of=20 coverage! Better than that there was a noticable increase of audible=20 quality even in mono receivers. That of course was also due to a=20 different audio processing aligment, that was done to gain a AMAX=20 quality sound for the stereo component! But it was noticable on=20 common mono handheld radios, that an average listener could use! And=20 these are feedback comments from listeners, not just technician test=20 results!=20 I had also faced some arguments here from other technicians, that=20 have never even hear an AM STEREO station before, that AM STEREO=20 doesn't work at all! And they did have an oppinion, BEFORE they=20 listen it live thru the air! Of course things changed (and oppinions=20 from the same ones) when I've runned the first tests :) To get a better view of the possible differences, it would be wise to=20 contact people that have lately install AM STEREO CQUAM at their=20 transmitting chain. That will give you the most recently gained=20 information about the arguments for coverage decrease, audio quality,=20 etc. as anyone that has worked with the system for a small period,=20 before a decade or so, will probably can't provide leaving proof of=20 how it worked back then! Also consider that sometimes not all the=20 installations are done properly for what it should be... And at those=20 rare cases, you can have different results than those expected!=20 My oppinion if that could help you, is to listen carefully what Bill=20 at WNMB will say to you and probably go a trip at his place to see=20 how it works there, on a new installation. I'm sure Bill will provide=20 any info of what was the problems he faced doing that upgrade, if=20 there was any of course!=20 Also remember that AM stereo looks like is dead... However it isn't,=20 not yet at least! And there are millions of AM stereo receivers out=20 there, that probably waiting for a comeback of the system... Indeed=20 there are so many AM stereo radios, at US at least, that you will=20 have feedback from some of your listeners, as soon as you will turn=20 the stereo switch on :)=20 Sotris =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr."=20 wrote: > > Ok, so I'm currently having some "arguments" with a few radio=20 friends of > mine, some station owners (with minor technical background) and=20 some long > time engineers. >=20 > If WABV were to go solid state, install an AM Stereo exciter and AM=20 Strereo > audio processor, would we sound better even on a mono radio? Would=20 we los > any range. >=20 > Right now, its about 75/25 .. with the 75 percent saying you=20 wouldnt lose > any range and that even on a mono radio, an AM Stereo station would=20 sound > better? (I even have the owner of a currently operating AM Stereo=20 station on > the eastern seaboard agreeing with me..) >=20 > I'm looking purely for thoughts and opinions.. I know some people=20 think AM > Stereo is dead etc, but I'm merely looking for the facts. > --=20 > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > www.walkerbroadcasting.com > www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From starship_2001@msn.com Wed Oct 03 03:33:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31372 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2007 10:33:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2007 10:33:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s13.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.213) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2007 10:33:18 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.136.26]) by bay0-omc3-s13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 03:24:30 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 03:24:30 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.5 by BAY131-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 10:24:30 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 10:24:29 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2007 10:24:30.0974 (UTC) FILETIME=[95BA21E0:01C805A7] Return-Path: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hi Kevin T and Gang X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=TxFMf4URuAKd6l-0YGFcu-wiG4mm7ARBG3iv_gfMm8RGLELmQpLV5dWshw X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Attemps at trying to decode HD VIA skywave for the most part have been fruitless. I have gotten a very few reports of WLAC being decoded at 400 miles . Another report locked WABC from upstate NY. However these reports seem to be the exception rather then the rule. Most of us with an HD radio are getting a strong ANALOG signal however fail to get a lock on the HD signal. The closest i have gotten to a lock is WOR 710 PAD (or PSD) data via skywave with strong analog signal. -----Original Message----- From: hank smith Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2007 4:06 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hi Kevin T and Gang Hello just joined the list has any one been able to pick up night time hd via skywave? am curious thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net To: am stereo forum Cc: Jim Smith Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 5:09 PM Subject: {AMSF} Hi Kevin T and Gang Hi Kevin T and Gang How is every one? So did ABC give any more details on the reason why on no more night time AM IBOC ? I will have to listen to my local RADIO DIS-ME KIID AM HD 1470 Sacramento Ca tonight and see if they will turn off there Horse Dung . I can also hear KGO AM HD 810 San Francisco Ca KABC AM HD 790 LA CA was all ways a hard catch mono C-QuAM HD. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Oct 03 05:51:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89813 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2007 12:51:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2007 12:51:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2007 12:51:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 65079 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Oct 2007 12:51:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xDjvjZwVM1nuYCWN8Sziu0ti9zpEGJYa3Hw81.zp424mdznXsUbQIseLbyB6q2ttlw-- Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 05:51:35 PDT Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 05:51:35 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <005a01c80594$5c3eb010$80f010ac@hank320a6cca48> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <782647.64925.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hi Kevin T and Gang X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=cRoxai8cJUjc77Ct78on9iYbshTONzouO8NNRXO1jXY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- hank smith wrote: > Hello just joined the list > has any one been able to pick up night time hd via > skywave? am curious > thanks > Hank WLAC would ....before 1500 and 1530 fired up. Powell in South Carolina' NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From robert.w.welch@att.net Wed Oct 03 06:00:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11076 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2007 13:00:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2007 13:00:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.246) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2007 13:00:55 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2007 13:00:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2007 13:00:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 13:00:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005a01c80594$5c3eb010$80f010ac@hank320a6cca48> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: Hi Kevin T and Gang X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=dUJ8MQUk6jfRa-jZxMF1zQfdHW9qhlKOKOJUXgkzanUhIODbk8si X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Hank, Others who were on the list prior will read of my near discust with not=20 being able to decode a single HD station at night up here in Vermont...=20 not even the big boys in New York or WTIC Hartford or Boston's WBZ. However, back a few nights ago when conditions were a bit better I was=20 able to hear WBZ-1030, WTIC-1080, WFAN-660, and WCBS-880. Bob-WDEV From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Oct 03 06:03:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11503 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2007 13:03:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2007 13:03:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2007 13:03:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 25886 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Oct 2007 13:03:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: fFNmQigVM1n_ADJJzF6.nr8Uf0QkVCd_H8MWUCVYTeJwuijBLrm8XsTjE14GLSKami95DngqKNPu9h3fJ207aEaK17iTqg2K0A.EIBcKss3rHGQ2PQGLssDcTg-- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 06:03:20 PDT Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 06:03:20 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <209713.25882.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re:AM Stereo On A Mono Radio...? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=nqyXVDKRJQafRTsi-ShQtGKWadIV_tiZGIBmRbOMAbG_pursJLGQnLs X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hi Paul, People I've talked with indicated no loss of coverage when they switched to CQuam; in fact, Leonard Kahn actually indicated that stations reported greater range with his Kahn-ISB system. You will sound better to mono listeners when you get your CQuam system up and running, if for no reason other than your antenna system needs to be in decent shape to pass a nice bandwidth of audio, so you will need to make sure you have minimal incidental phase problems with the antenna transmission system. I have an early 60's Zenith radio, and CQuam CFCO sounds great, even in mono, on that old radio. I too would suggest that you talk to Bill Norman at WNMB about his recent stereo AM installation. 73's John PS: Still a lot of Ford T-Birds, Mustangs, Caddys and Chrysler minivans out there equipped with AM stereo radios (more CQuam radios on the road than HD radios). ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From starship_2001@msn.com Wed Oct 03 06:07:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95276 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2007 13:07:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2007 13:07:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s32.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.104) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2007 13:07:47 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.136.19]) by bay0-omc1-s32.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 06:07:45 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 06:07:45 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.5 by BAY131-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 13:07:42 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 13:07:42 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2007 13:07:45.0672 (UTC) FILETIME=[63D27080:01C805BE] Return-Path: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hi Kevin T and Gang X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=TQCs1eEyaEnf7no_covNPtJ0TSUAEf9e_ThmlTrm-OnVHXUFnH0lR0fmQQ X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ok what were using for a radio and an antenna and how long did the locks hold ??? -----Original Message----- From: Bob Welch Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2007 9:00 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Hi Kevin T and Gang Hank, Others who were on the list prior will read of my near discust with not being able to decode a single HD station at night up here in Vermont... not even the big boys in New York or WTIC Hartford or Boston's WBZ. However, back a few nights ago when conditions were a bit better I was able to hear WBZ-1030, WTIC-1080, WFAN-660, and WCBS-880. Bob-WDEV Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Oct 03 07:28:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31290 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2007 14:28:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2007 14:28:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2007 14:28:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 77194 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Oct 2007 14:28:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: H1HPJgoVM1ng3QDAvZHSFOOqqJ9kQHMbCtNG34vgLSKGNl2LDmiyXAdrNNja8GuDRN9FCZ7CTQ-- Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 07:28:55 PDT Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 07:28:55 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <99867.76885.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hi Kevin T and Gang X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=AbF55gc0hUcI4mkEB4YlKpyqzMllu0Ine0LBcC3lsBw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Norbert 26 wrote: > Attemps at trying to decode HD VIA skywave for the > most part have been fruitless. I have gotten a very > few reports of WLAC being decoded at 400 miles . > Another report locked WABC from upstate NY. However > these reports seem to be the exception rather then > the rule. Most of us with an HD radio are getting a > strong ANALOG signal however fail to get a lock on > the HD signal. The closest i have gotten to a lock > is WOR 710 PAD (or PSD) data via skywave with strong > analog signal. WLAC decoded for *LONG* periods last winter when it was dark at my location and not yet in Nashville. At that time neither then WTOP 1500 nor WCKY 1530 ran it. Now that at least WCKY is, all I get is a rare PSD. WTAM is very strong, but WBT has too much signal on 1110 to get anything other than a PSD. Never got that on anyone else so far. That's the story from Silverstreet, SC Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From robert.w.welch@att.net Wed Oct 03 07:31:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12801 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2007 14:31:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2007 14:31:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.133) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2007 14:31:46 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2007 14:31:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2007 14:31:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2007 14:31:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:31:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: Hi Kevin T and Gang X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=0Ju3zqB4WktavrvGStyUmIaR_fwQH_kKRQ8D5Y_UoBBLeam735oe X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 I was using the Kenwood HD 100 R bootbox inside my 2005 Ford Freestyle=20 wired directly into my Kenwood front panel. The antenna was from the=20 factory... wherever plant my Ford was made at. I was able to get a lock on for nearly 15 minutes. At least with WTIC. Bob From djjayarnold@yahoo.com Wed Oct 03 08:26:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: djjayarnold@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89972 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2007 15:26:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2007 15:26:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.91) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2007 15:26:04 -0000 Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2007 15:26:04 -0000 Received: from [69.147.75.181] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2007 15:26:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp102.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2007 15:26:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 590033.26737.bm@omp102.mail.re1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 16604 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Oct 2007 15:26:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: RbFLJpMVM1lqxo6aqZg8l0g99ssqYxosM1dPzhrM Received: from [66.121.52.2] by web45312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 08:26:03 PDT Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:26:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <874547.16179.qm@web45312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Arnold Subject: Re: {AMSF} No more nighttime IBOC on ABC/Citadel stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317204437; y=AiOk4QoIfnAYD9Ndbbu6asb1AP3Q-8SHUjLGrN7mk3jgQXHajJk X-Yahoo-Profile: djjayarnold Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, I thought I'd let you know that K G O, which I can hear on H D with a minimum three-bars on my Sangean HDT-1, had its H D OFF last night, 8 to 10 p.m. PT --jay "Kevin T." wrote: Word coming through the grapevine today is that ABC/Citadel corporate has ordered all of their AM IBOC stations to discontinue nighttime digital broadcasts, effective immediately. Their most well-known AM IBOC stations include 770 WABC in New York, 760 WJR in Detroit, 790 KABC in L.A., 810 KGO in San Francisco, and a couple others. --------------------------------- Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From djjayarnold@yahoo.com Wed Oct 03 08:28:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: djjayarnold@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32198 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2007 15:28:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2007 15:28:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web45308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (68.180.197.114) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2007 15:28:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 59262 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Oct 2007 15:28:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 6FfRqG4VM1mzTC6351PIuINigr2mrlyptVZFJDm7 Received: from [66.121.52.2] by web45308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 08:28:29 PDT Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:28:29 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002001c80551$ad893780$20a4fea9@z4x8l4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <373025.57765.qm@web45308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.180.197.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Arnold Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hi Kevin T and Gang X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317204437; y=wKbSJTB1ZwGrAdneR1RzPAATZCEdkGsNPmGfDib_a8av_YjQiQ0 X-Yahoo-Profile: djjayarnold Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Jim... Was KIID 1470 in Sacramento in non-HD-mode last night? I could not receive the 1-kw night signal in Napa very well... --jay jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hi Kevin T and Gang How is every one? So did ABC give any more details on the reason why on no more night time AM IBOC ? I will have to listen to my local RADIO DIS-ME KIID AM HD 1470 Sacramento Ca tonight and see if they will turn off there Horse Dung . I can also hear KGO AM HD 810 San Francisco Ca KABC AM HD 790 LA CA was all ways a hard catch mono C-QuAM HD. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Oct 03 15:15:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88540 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2007 22:15:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2007 22:15:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2007 22:15:24 -0000 Received: from [64.131.21.240] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071003171457101826100003> for ; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:14:57 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008901c8060c$18912a00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <874547.16179.qm@web45312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:14:57 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} No more nighttime IBOC on ABC/Citadel stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Mpw-yTmit-J4g6HtOA-sKAcHLeODm3W5OJp-UP7B71xRCKWIZxcD X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WLS has been transmitting CQUAM the past couple of mornings. :) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Arnold To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Kevin, I thought I'd let you know that K G O, which I can hear on H D with a minimum three-bars on my Sangean HDT-1, had its H D OFF last night, 8 to 10 p.m. PT --jay Recent Activity a.. 2New Members b.. 3New Files Visit Your Group Sitebuilder Build a web site quickly & easily with Sitebuilder. 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Groups Discover groups that are the best of their class. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Oct 03 15:20:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92347 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2007 22:20:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2007 22:20:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2007 22:20:48 -0000 Received: from [64.131.21.240] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071003172030103014700003> for ; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:20:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00b201c8060c$df5198a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <8bce0fe80710022248g121f24cbx1fde18d757e876bf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:20:30 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo On A Mono Radio...? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Jj4S7VRIZdWhrLyaTAOCptRvU2ZXPwTJ_1zrzRpb5qRzvNIxO3lk X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Back in the early days of AM stereo I could almost always tell when a station was running stereo, even on an old truck radio with a rather marginal speaker. These stations would always sound cleaner. I think that was mostly due to the fact that it did require cleaning up a bunch of technical deficiencies in order to work well. These days with more stations having upgraded their plants it isn't as obvious as it used to be. In your station's case since you've only got the one stick, making improvements to the antenna tuning unit at the base of the tower should be a simple and inexpensive proposition, assuming it needs any help at all. I've also never noted much if any loss of coverage. Scott Todd --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Oct 03 15:59:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3806 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2007 22:59:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2007 22:59:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2007 22:59:12 -0000 Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id r.d4a.136949f9 (37115) for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 18:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WEBMAIL-DB13 (webmail-db13.webmail.aol.com [205.188.105.78]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v119.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA011-90fb47041eb12c2; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 18:58:57 -0400 References: <8bce0fe80710022248g121f24cbx1fde18d757e876bf@mail.gmail.com> <00b201c8060c$df5198a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 18:58:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: <00b201c8060c$df5198a0$d503fea9@stodd> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 30978-STANDARD Received: from 70.245.209.126 by WEBMAIL-DB13.sysops.aol.com (205.188.105.78) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 18:58:57 -0400 Message-Id: <8C9D4281CEA98B1-E50-44F2@WEBMAIL-DB13.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.105.78 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo On A Mono Radio...? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=uSw_YoT7Riwfqrh8lHqP3A4oRXDPnHjVtJuoPMtXYe-0gBJCKDDei7ilEEc62W8M X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're right, Scott. When a station upgraded to stereo, it had to invest in high performance gear from mic to transmitter input if for no other reason is that there is no low performance stereo broadcast quality equipment.? So even with a mono receiver, there is an improvement.? I have a 61 year old Zenith 10A1 console radio that I serious doubt sound as good in 1941 when it rolled off the production line in Chicago as it does today.? In my opinion, the AM requirements?had become too lax before the WWII started and certainly by the time the war ended with all the technical advancements that resulted from the war.? For decades, the same arguments had been used against upgrading the standards.? That is, AM receivers are crummy, so why bother???The second argument is the impact on such requirements on the 250 watt daytime small town mom and pop operation. The most significant improvement, in my opinion, has been in audio processing.??Not many years ago, WWL put their 30's era Western Electric on the air with modern audio processing.? On a typical radio, you couldn't disguish it from BE's finest.? However, I doubted FDR sounded?that good during his fireside chats. Mike ? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 03 23:30:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94429 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2007 06:30:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2007 06:30:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.59) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2007 06:30:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2007 06:30:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2007 06:30:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 06:30:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <373025.57765.qm@web45308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.8.230.59 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Hi Kevin T and Gang X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=sU2kpMB3dqH2nBPeGmAAzYwCR0sHZaFZr8KRqzyK3PHpPNMLDmLegpARWsHU3XabLSKCmKqC X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Jay Arnold =20 wrote: > > Hi, Jim... > Was KIID 1470 in Sacramento in non-HD-mode last night?=20 > I could not receive the 1-kw night signal in Napa very well... > --jay >=20 > jimsmith95663@... wrote: > Hi Kevin T and Gang How is every one? So did ABC give any=20 more details on the reason why on no more night time AM IBOC ? I will=20 have to listen to my local RADIO DIS-ME KIID AM HD 1470 Sacramento Ca=20 tonight and see if they will turn off there Horse Dung . I can also=20 hear KGO AM HD 810 San Francisco Ca KABC AM HD 790 LA CA was all ways=20 a hard catch mono C-QuAM HD. Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > --------------------------------- > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with=20 Yahoo! Autos.=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Jay I could not tell you for sure hear in Penryn Ca about 20 mile=20 as the car flys from them. Before thay went IBOC they would turn down=20 there power at night and i could not hear them at all. Thay stoped=20 doing that when thay went IBOC. Jim Smith From starship_2001@msn.com Thu Oct 04 03:30:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6807 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2007 10:30:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2007 10:30:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s36.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.236) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2007 10:30:01 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.136.21]) by bay0-omc3-s36.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 03:29:26 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 03:29:26 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.5 by BAY131-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:29:24 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:29:23 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2007 10:29:26.0667 (UTC) FILETIME=[70630DB0:01C80671] Return-Path: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hi Kevin T and Gang X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=XFm0I8mR2RCs1mv0t-Aap_mimhXp5aiJx6gr95sjk8veGDD42cKQ2oWzxA X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes heres the details http://www.radioworld.com/pages/s.0121/t.8847.html -----Original Message----- From: jim smith Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2007 2:30 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Hi Kevin T and Gang --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Jay Arnold wrote: > > Hi, Jim... > Was KIID 1470 in Sacramento in non-HD-mode last night? > I could not receive the 1-kw night signal in Napa very well... > --jay > > jimsmith95663@... wrote: > Hi Kevin T and Gang How is every one? So did ABC give any more details on the reason why on no more night time AM IBOC ? I will have to listen to my local RADIO DIS-ME KIID AM HD 1470 Sacramento Ca tonight and see if they will turn off there Horse Dung . I can also hear KGO AM HD 810 San Francisco Ca KABC AM HD 790 LA CA was all ways a hard catch mono C-QuAM HD. Jim Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Jay I could not tell you for sure hear in Penryn Ca about 20 mile as the car flys from them. Before thay went IBOC they would turn down there power at night and i could not hear them at all. Thay stoped doing that when thay went IBOC. Jim Smith Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Oct 04 10:21:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79990 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2007 17:21:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2007 17:21:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.160) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2007 17:21:37 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.16]) by bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:20:02 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:20:01 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.12 by BLU108-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:19:58 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:19:58 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2007 17:20:01.0722 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC0621A0:01C806AA] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Citadel and night-time IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=czwpefVqtcn5fsNdv6G849AKSc-bD7_xhLiVfRIeM_EiPvY7WbGegOoqDRg X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This bears repeating and for for those that don't or can't click on the lin= k, here's the story from Radio World: (note the positive spin from Ibiquity= ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Radio World Email Newsletters :: The Leslie Report=20 Citadel Halts AM Nighttime IBOC Operation Amid Complaints=20=20 by Leslie Stimson, 10.03.2007=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Leslie Stimson is the News Editor and Washington Bureau Chief for Radio Wor= ld. There are a lot of unknowns at this point in the Citadel AM IBOC nighttime = situation, but one thing is clear: Something is going on and the company wa= nts to work with Ibiquity to get to the bottom of it.=20 Citadel Director of Corporate Engineering Martin Stabbert confirms that his= company is taking a step back and stopped operating AM IBOC at night on 10= stations as of Oct. 1. The stations still broadcast in digital during the = day. Of its 66 AMs, 16 have converted and four more are in-process. Citadel= =E2=80=99s conversion efforts continue. An excerpt from his memo to staff reads: =E2=80=9CIn response to the lacklu= ster performance, the limited benefit and various reports of significant in= terference, Citadel is suspending nighttime AM HD operations at this time. = Please reinstate your previous procedures for daytime-only HD operation as = soon as possible.=E2=80=9D The company has received interference complaints from listeners and station= s on adjacent channels, the latter from both Citadel- and non-Citadel-owned= stations in and outside the markets. (He tells me the calls from =E2=80=9C= non-Citadel-owned=E2=80=9D stations were cordial.)=20 Most of the complaints center around 50 kW Class As, he said, although inte= rnally, Citadel has observed effects from lower-powered stations on adjacen= ts at night. With this action, Citadel, a member of the HD Digital Radio Alliance, becom= es the first radio group to, in effect, become a public test bed for other = radio groups. (I feel other groups may have already done so privately) Additionally, Stabbert said other groups may want to take part in the Citad= el tests. All of this is still in play.=20=20 Stabbert stressed that Citadel=E2=80=99s action is not a criticism of Ibiqu= ity nor of its technology. The move, however, comes at a time when the impa= ct of AM digital at night, which only recently was OK=E2=80=99d by the FCC,= is being closely scrutinized by those who believe it could fundamentally d= amage the band. Ibiquity Digital said it has received few complaints about interference, th= at the =E2=80=9Cvast majority=E2=80=9D of feedback it=E2=80=99s received ab= out AM nighttime has been positive. =E2=80=9CWe understand Citadel=E2=80=99s caution and are working with them = to understand what they are experiencing and to address their concerns,=E2= =80=9D said a spokeswoman. The move came to light Monday in an internal memo that was leaked to the me= dia.=20 I suspect this isn't=E2=80=99t the first such instance for any of the group= s, the only difference being that others would have had a chance to work ou= t the issue privately while Citadel had its privacy ripped away like a Band= -Aid. While I=E2=80=99m sure it=E2=80=99s not happy about that, it=E2=80=99= s beneficial to shine a light on the issue, which as you know is incendiary= in some industry circles. I hope the resolution of this is just as public.= =20 Some IBOC opponents are particularly happy with this news. We received a no= te from one person noting the =E2=80=9Ccelebrating and drinking toasts on t= he MW lists.=E2=80=9D=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Oct 04 10:58:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77496 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2007 17:58:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2007 17:58:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2007 17:58:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 61866 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Oct 2007 17:57:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Eml96a4VM1lJx6BOiq2MQ7EU1JZRbSRZB2UYIJXLRzCJaTzXb0n1pZHE903dInqMa5VI.ggxQz_I6pKfkGFWBMb0lY7ViXYy0VCXBREy7hqN_GO1BW2nDaz0kg-- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:57:59 PDT Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:57:59 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <918192.61862.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: No more nighttime IBOC on ABC/Citadel stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=CvVk4g6tlQGo5ZTsIb1HfweqPlooGWAqZnYLFH4TCczmuRLuchqZ4KQ X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I've asked WJR to resume CQuam at night, but no reply yet. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC From ke7ief@aol.com Thu Oct 04 12:00:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72320 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2007 19:00:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2007 19:00:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2007 19:00:02 -0000 Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c16.22b5d033 (34940) for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hank320a6cca48 (75-165-59-64.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.59.64]) by cia-da05.mx.aol.com (v119.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA051-887c4705381f328; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 14:59:44 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c806b8$ba3e66e0$80f010ac@hank320a6cca48> To: References: Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:59:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.59.64 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hi Kevin T and Gang X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=sFSYj2OM3eHsXNJCRmM1NrBuOGad3jDxmFXUMIpfYC7GmEQLnDnv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit speaking of ca hd stations can any one tell me when kfbk 1530 will be night time iboc? I live in olympia wa and can recieve them quite clear and am wanting to hear coasttocoast am in hd at night time skip. kvi 570 seattle wa doesn't come in down here in olympia at night time. thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 11:30 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Hi Kevin T and Gang --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Jay Arnold wrote: > > Hi, Jim... > Was KIID 1470 in Sacramento in non-HD-mode last night? > I could not receive the 1-kw night signal in Napa very well... > --jay > > jimsmith95663@... wrote: > Hi Kevin T and Gang How is every one? So did ABC give any more details on the reason why on no more night time AM IBOC ? I will have to listen to my local RADIO DIS-ME KIID AM HD 1470 Sacramento Ca tonight and see if they will turn off there Horse Dung . I can also hear KGO AM HD 810 San Francisco Ca KABC AM HD 790 LA CA was all ways a hard catch mono C-QuAM HD. Jim Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Jay I could not tell you for sure hear in Penryn Ca about 20 mile as the car flys from them. Before thay went IBOC they would turn down there power at night and i could not hear them at all. Thay stoped doing that when thay went IBOC. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Thu Oct 04 18:49:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19571 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2007 01:49:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2007 01:49:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp119.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.96.92) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2007 01:49:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 10391 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2007 01:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO EMACHINE) (jimbo700@sbcglobal.net@75.19.178.103 with login) by smtp119.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2007 01:49:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5g8optIVM1nr1sFoRiER1eIIJYYNKD3AHSClnjvH58E9QAVnJ8eufMkEIKEuU3igp0.VYbRjbA-- Message-ID: <003701c806f1$fc547ea0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <918192.61862.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:49:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000778-3, 10/04/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 66.196.96.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: No more nighttime IBOC on ABC/Citadel stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=sDQBZvijnPILmlclNF3T031pLcEIIwYuakk_-7V1PTbwFM4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > John P wrote: > I've asked WJR to resume CQuam at night, but no reply yet. WLS shut down their IBOC at sunset on Tuesday, and the few times I have checked they are on the backup TX broadcasting C-Quam at night. I've heard them in C-Quam stereo 3 or 4 times that past couple of nights. As for IBOC here in Indiana, I live about 30 miles south of Indianapolis. I have 2 HD radios, an Alpine (don't know the model #) in my Jimmy, and a Boston Acoustics at home. I have been unable to pick up any of the Indianapolis stations HD signal, including 50,000 watt WIBC until I get within about 20-25 miles of their transmitter. If I drive away from power lines and interference, and shut off my engine, I can get WLW's HD in my Jimmy (I live about 70 miles from the WLW stick in Mason Ohio), and WHAS (I live about 65 miles from the WHAS stick) about 30% of the time. I have never picked up any station, including WLW after sunset. WOR's sidebands kill WLW once propagation starts. In addition, I live within groundwave coverage of the Chicago Class A's, and have been listening to WGN for many years. But when WLW had their IBOC turned on, all I get is the noise and a faint WGN underneath. No more Cub games. FM may succeed, not because the quality of FM-IBOC is better than analog FM, but possibly as a result of their HD2 and HD3 niche programming. AM HD is absolutely worthless. As I drive around Indianapolis listening to WIBC's HD (which sounds like a low bit rate Real Audio stream), every time I drive under a noisy powerline or under a large bridge, the HD signal drops out and my Alpine blends back to analog. Same thing with thunderstorms. When thunderstorms are in the area, with every flash of lightning my Alpine blends back to analog. Since lightning bolts are frequent in Indiana, before my radio can reacquire the HD carrier and start decoding (a process that takes 5-10 seconds) the signal,. another bolt of lightning flashes and I get the crackle on my analog AM. I really wanted to be objective about this.. to the extent of being a very early adopter and I've read Tom Ray's posts with an open mind, but there is absolutely no benefit to AM-HD. The total failure of HD at night, and limited coverage during the day (AM-HD's coverage is not reliable, even within the city grade contour) and ABC's decision to stop transmitting in HD at night is indicative of how flawed AM HD is. The NAB failed us on this one. The FCC failed us on this one. It is time to admit defeat and pull the plug on AM IBOC. -Jim- From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Thu Oct 04 19:35:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91376 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2007 02:35:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2007 02:35:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.33) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2007 02:35:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2007 02:35:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2007 02:35:06 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 02:35:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003701c806f1$fc547ea0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.8.244.136 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: No more nighttime IBOC on ABC/Citadel stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=oOHf6TejA8fBwfEgYCIo5DUmHa-62LMnd-fKThYcnlADsXc X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > > John P wrote: > > I've asked WJR to resume CQuam at night, but no reply yet. >=20 > WLS shut down their IBOC at sunset on Tuesday, and the few times I have=20 > checked they are on the backup TX broadcasting C-Quam at night. > I've heard them in C-Quam stereo 3 or 4 times that past couple of nights. >=20 > As for IBOC here in Indiana, I live about 30 miles south of Indianapolis. > I have 2 HD radios, an Alpine (don't know the model #) in my Jimmy, and a=20 > Boston Acoustics at home. > I have been unable to pick up any of the Indianapolis stations HD signal,=20 > including 50,000 watt WIBC until I get within about 20-25 miles of their=20 > transmitter. > If I drive away from power lines and interference, and shut off my engine, I=20 > can get WLW's HD in my Jimmy (I live about 70 miles from the WLW stick in=20 > Mason Ohio), and WHAS (I live about 65 miles from the WHAS stick) about 30%=20 > of the time. > I have never picked up any station, including WLW after sunset. WOR's=20 > sidebands kill WLW once propagation starts. > In addition, I live within groundwave coverage of the Chicago Class A's, and=20 > have been listening to WGN for many years. But when WLW had their IBOC=20 > turned on, all I get is the noise and a faint WGN underneath. No more Cub=20 > games. > FM may succeed, not because the quality of FM-IBOC is better than analog FM,=20 > but possibly as a result of their HD2 and HD3 niche programming. > AM HD is absolutely worthless. As I drive around Indianapolis listening to=20 > WIBC's HD (which sounds like a low bit rate Real Audio stream), every time I=20 > drive under a noisy powerline or under a large bridge, the HD signal drops=20 > out and my Alpine blends back to analog. > Same thing with thunderstorms. When thunderstorms are in the area, with=20 > every flash of lightning my Alpine blends back to analog. Since lightning=20 > bolts are frequent in Indiana, before my radio can reacquire the HD carrier=20 > and start decoding (a process that takes 5-10 seconds) the signal,. another=20 > bolt of lightning flashes and I get the crackle on my analog AM. > I really wanted to be objective about this.. to the extent of being a very=20 > early adopter and I've read Tom Ray's posts with an open mind, but there is=20 > absolutely no benefit to AM-HD. The total failure of HD at night, and=20 > limited coverage during the day (AM-HD's coverage is not reliable, even=20 > within the city grade contour) and ABC's decision to stop transmitting in HD=20 > at night is indicative of how flawed AM HD is. > The NAB failed us on this one. > The FCC failed us on this one. > It is time to admit defeat and pull the plug on AM IBOC. > -Jim- > Jim, So what you are saying is, other than the almost daily T-storms in summer wiping out your HD, power line noise, bridges, low bit stream sounding audio, and the wiping out of adjacent signals...HD is great....right? I think the answer is for you to move very close to an HD transmitter. Other than the audio, all problems solved. Simple eh? Juan From jimbo@burgan.net Thu Oct 04 19:40:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92256 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2007 02:40:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2007 02:40:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp120.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.96.93) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2007 02:40:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 65846 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2007 02:40:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO EMACHINE) (jimbo700@sbcglobal.net@75.19.178.103 with login) by smtp120.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2007 02:40:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Kv.GL4oVM1nnjtFkKdegJU7KCHyyQP4bfaDXFVWjdYoJBSx49S07usFNwFOTKVTXlagIws2mUQ-- Message-ID: <002501c806f9$194bf1d0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 22:40:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000778-3, 10/04/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 66.196.96.93 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: No more nighttime IBOC on ABC/Citadel stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=Bh0m1EeCSjKsfH7ENZuavQgaQmH2WPJFGzInYuLoNqrjTO8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Juan wrote: > So what you are saying is, other than the almost daily T-storms in > summer wiping out your HD, power line noise, bridges, low bit stream > sounding audio, and the wiping out of adjacent signals...HD is > great....right? > > I think the answer is for you to move very close to an HD transmitter. > Other than the audio, all problems solved. Simple eh? Jaun... You're exposed me as a "cup is half empty" person. I would have never thought of that. I'll call an Indianapolis real estate agent in the morning :-) -Jim- From kjones_731@yahoo.com Thu Oct 04 20:37:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kjones_731@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66210 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2007 03:37:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2007 03:37:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web81909.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.188) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2007 03:37:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 40716 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Oct 2007 03:37:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: RkA24ooVM1mG5PDxu2EomIc9OsWAiHkKX52IawFSTPhsQOr0QrFmv9pAAY41IPcdTFdKqhV0cw-- Received: from [75.60.230.244] by web81909.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:37:15 PDT Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:37:15 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003701c806f1$fc547ea0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <57680.39168.qm@web81909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kirk Jones Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: No more nighttime IBOC on ABC/Citadel stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=58737040; y=9idBK9ZFAFJxnmdxd0VfVToHPBwd9-JSsmMM02h6gN1NDobDjg X-Yahoo-Profile: kjones_731 Jim good coments, sounds like we were sold a bill of goods:>( I don't like the idea of a law suit, but I wonder when IBOC might end up in court. The radio stations have put in big $$$ along with the manufactures on a concept that will not work. I Love AM stereo, but there is no way the general public will "play radio and tinker with antennas to make HD work". Kirk > As for IBOC here in Indiana, I live about 30 miles > south of Indianapolis. > I have 2 HD radios, an Alpine (don't know the model > #) in my Jimmy, and a > Boston Acoustics at home. > I have been unable to pick up any of the > Indianapolis stations HD signal, > including 50,000 watt WIBC until I get within about > 20-25 miles of their > transmitter. > If I drive away from power lines and interference, > and shut off my engine, I > can get WLW's HD in my Jimmy (I live about 70 miles > from the WLW stick in > Mason Ohio), and WHAS (I live about 65 miles from > the WHAS stick) about 30% > of the time. > I have never picked up any station, including WLW > after sunset. WOR's > sidebands kill WLW once propagation starts. > In addition, I live within groundwave coverage of > the Chicago Class A's, and > have been listening to WGN for many years. But when > WLW had their IBOC > turned on, all I get is the noise and a faint WGN > underneath. No more Cub > games. > FM may succeed, not because the quality of FM-IBOC > is better than analog FM, > but possibly as a result of their HD2 and HD3 niche > programming. > AM HD is absolutely worthless. As I drive around > Indianapolis listening to > WIBC's HD (which sounds like a low bit rate Real > Audio stream), every time I > drive under a noisy powerline or under a large > bridge, the HD signal drops > out and my Alpine blends back to analog. > Same thing with thunderstorms. When thunderstorms > are in the area, with > every flash of lightning my Alpine blends back to > analog. Since lightning > bolts are frequent in Indiana, before my radio can > reacquire the HD carrier > and start decoding (a process that takes 5-10 > seconds) the signal,. another > bolt of lightning flashes and I get the crackle on > my analog AM. > I really wanted to be objective about this.. to the > extent of being a very > early adopter and I've read Tom Ray's posts with an > open mind, but there is > absolutely no benefit to AM-HD. The total failure > of HD at night, and > limited coverage during the day (AM-HD's coverage is > not reliable, even > within the city grade contour) and ABC's decision to > stop transmitting in HD > at night is indicative of how flawed AM HD is. > The NAB failed us on this one. > The FCC failed us on this one. > It is time to admit defeat and pull the plug on AM > IBOC. > -Jim- > > From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 04 22:54:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88787 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2007 05:54:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2007 05:54:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.166) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2007 05:54:13 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n7.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2007 05:53:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2007 05:53:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2007 05:53:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 05:53:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000d01c806b8$ba3e66e0$80f010ac@hank320a6cca48> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.48.205 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Hi Kevin T and Gang X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=By8ebKFrSJx0IR6VCOBiVHWfq3mipLogxE-gTzSdD-IPQIeAqykiNKsuzYH1KSLGxEqmd55o X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > speaking of ca hd stations can any one tell me when kfbk 1530 will=20 be night time iboc? > I live in olympia wa and can recieve them quite clear and am=20 wanting to hear coasttocoast am in hd at night time skip. > kvi 570 seattle wa doesn't come in down here in olympia at night=20 time. > thanks > Hank > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: jim smith=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 11:30 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Hi Kevin T and Gang >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Jay Arnold =20 > wrote: > > > > Hi, Jim... > > Was KIID 1470 in Sacramento in non-HD-mode last night?=20 > > I could not receive the 1-kw night signal in Napa very well... > > --jay > >=20 > > jimsmith95663@ wrote: > > Hi Kevin T and Gang How is every one? So did ABC give any=20 > more details on the reason why on no more night time AM IBOC ? I=20 will=20 > have to listen to my local RADIO DIS-ME KIID AM HD 1470=20 Sacramento Ca=20 > tonight and see if they will turn off there Horse Dung . I can=20 also=20 > hear KGO AM HD 810 San Francisco Ca KABC AM HD 790 LA CA was all=20 ways=20 > a hard catch mono C-QuAM HD. Jim Smith > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --------------------------------- > > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with=20 > Yahoo! Autos.=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Hi Jay I could not tell you for sure hear in Penryn Ca about 20=20 mile=20 > as the car flys from them. Before thay went IBOC they would turn=20 down=20 > there power at night and i could not hear them at all. Thay=20 stoped=20 > doing that when thay went IBOC. Jim Smith >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Hank Thay are not on with AM HD tonight. Thay have had it on in a=20 on and off fation. So all I can say is keep listening and let us=20 know . It sounds like to me if KFBK AM 1530 was in C-Quam AM STEREO=20 you would be getting it for sure. Did you ever get KNX AM 1070 in AM=20 STEREO? Jim Smith From ke7ief@aol.com Thu Oct 04 23:20:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18461 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2007 06:20:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2007 06:20:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2007 06:20:28 -0000 Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d4b.1383015d (52426) for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 02:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hank320a6cca48 (75-165-59-64.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.59.64]) by ciaaol-m06.mx.aol.com (v119.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM0610-ccca4705d798199; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 02:20:10 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c80717$c81794d0$80f010ac@hank320a6cca48> To: References: Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 23:20:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.59.64 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hi Kevin T and Gang X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=oteb73FngTPHT0dnC0QaEhzRq5SBeTmpw80kD6J7bePOpx_-PExb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can't get knx at all am unsure if it is do to the fact that I am in a apartment building kex 1190 is in hd the light blinks at night my radio sees the hd carier but that is all portland is about a hour and a half from me I am in southwestern wa I think I just moved to this side of the state about 6 months ago. was unaware kfbk had hd will keep you all posted take care Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:53 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Hi Kevin T and Gang --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > speaking of ca hd stations can any one tell me when kfbk 1530 will be night time iboc? > I live in olympia wa and can recieve them quite clear and am wanting to hear coasttocoast am in hd at night time skip. > kvi 570 seattle wa doesn't come in down here in olympia at night time. > thanks > Hank > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jim smith > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 11:30 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Hi Kevin T and Gang > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Jay Arnold > wrote: > > > > Hi, Jim... > > Was KIID 1470 in Sacramento in non-HD-mode last night? > > I could not receive the 1-kw night signal in Napa very well... > > --jay > > > > jimsmith95663@ wrote: > > Hi Kevin T and Gang How is every one? So did ABC give any > more details on the reason why on no more night time AM IBOC ? I will > have to listen to my local RADIO DIS-ME KIID AM HD 1470 Sacramento Ca > tonight and see if they will turn off there Horse Dung . I can also > hear KGO AM HD 810 San Francisco Ca KABC AM HD 790 LA CA was all ways > a hard catch mono C-QuAM HD. Jim Smith > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with > Yahoo! Autos. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Hi Jay I could not tell you for sure hear in Penryn Ca about 20 mile > as the car flys from them. Before thay went IBOC they would turn down > there power at night and i could not hear them at all. Thay stoped > doing that when thay went IBOC. Jim Smith > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Hank Thay are not on with AM HD tonight. Thay have had it on in a on and off fation. So all I can say is keep listening and let us know . It sounds like to me if KFBK AM 1530 was in C-Quam AM STEREO you would be getting it for sure. Did you ever get KNX AM 1070 in AM STEREO? Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 04 23:25:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38808 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2007 06:25:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2007 06:25:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.186) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2007 06:25:21 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n5.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2007 06:25:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2007 06:25:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2007 06:25:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 06:25:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.48.205 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Hi Kevin T and Gang X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=ZJK_FBHg7E7L1sUFH0QgclFnLYEZ5ITOEMotTSn4l9iw7fKHPp3H_p1-iskWi6laucijxE_T X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Norbert 26"=20 wrote: > > Yes > heres the details > http://www.radioworld.com/pages/s.0121/t.8847.html >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: jim smith > Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2007 2:30 AM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Hi Kevin T and Gang >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Jay Arnold =20 > wrote: > > > > Hi, Jim... > > Was KIID 1470 in Sacramento in non-HD-mode last night?=20 > > I could not receive the 1-kw night signal in Napa very well... > > --jay > >=20 > > jimsmith95663@ wrote: > > Hi Kevin T and Gang How is every one? So did ABC give=20 any=20 > more details on the reason why on no more night time AM IBOC ? I=20 will=20 > have to listen to my local RADIO DIS-ME KIID AM HD 1470 Sacramento=20 Ca=20 > tonight and see if they will turn off there Horse Dung . I can also=20 > hear KGO AM HD 810 San Francisco Ca KABC AM HD 790 LA CA was all=20 ways=20 > a hard catch mono C-QuAM HD. Jim Smith > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > > --------------------------------- > > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with=20 > Yahoo! Autos.=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Hi Jay I could not tell you for sure hear in Penryn Ca about 20=20 mile=20 > as the car flys from them. Before thay went IBOC they would turn=20 down=20 > there power at night and i could not hear them at all. Thay stoped=20 > doing that when thay went IBOC. Jim Smith >=20 >=20 >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > Yahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Norbert I like the last line on that reprt. I still have not herd=20 the final end AM HD sinal by all reports I don't think I will like=20 the the sound of it sence its not as nice as a good clean C-QuAM AM=20 STEREO signal. Oh yes I think that all of us can stop saying that AM=20 STEREO has a loss of signal sence I could get KNX AM 1070 every night=20 hear just east of Sacramento Ca in AM STEREO. Jim Smith From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Oct 05 07:44:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20354 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2007 14:44:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2007 14:44:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2007 14:44:12 -0000 Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bd1.1b0091d7 (60467) for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail-db16 (webmail-db16.webmail.aol.com [205.188.105.81]) by ciaaol-m01.mx.aol.com (v119.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM014-ec3347064db02ee; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 10:44:00 -0400 References: <003701c806f1$fc547ea0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 10:43:59 -0400 In-Reply-To: <003701c806f1$fc547ea0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 30978-BASIC Received: from 70.245.209.126 by webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com (205.188.105.81) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 10:43:59 -0400 Message-Id: <8C9D5754CD688B2-93C-4DDB@webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.105.81 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: No more nighttime IBOC on ABC/Citadel stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=c3ygEJYSRrIHREFaNU_yj2dVUi19lrnW4_6SPmDaiqQK-pp794Xnb3Ra4B25tak8 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When you can't get blowtorches like WLW and WHAS at 60 - 70 miles, the medium isn't viable in my opinion. ? You too close in get skywave.? WLW and WHAS both use halfwave "anti-fade" towers.? Anti-fade means the towers have a low vertical angle?radiation to extend the skywave return well beyond the groundwave contour. ? Mike -----Original Message----- From: Jim Burgan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, Oct 4 9:53 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: No more nighttime IBOC on ABC/Citadel stations > John P wrote: > I've asked WJR to resume CQuam at night, but no reply yet. WLS shut down their IBOC at sunset on Tuesday, and the few times I have checked they are on the backup TX broadcasting C-Quam at night. I've heard them in C-Quam stereo 3 or 4 times that past couple of nights. As for IBOC here in Indiana, I live about 30 miles south of Indianapolis. I have 2 HD radios, an Alpine (don't know the model #) in my Jimmy, and a Boston Acoustics at home. I have been unable to pick up any of the Indianapolis stations HD signal, including 50,000 watt WIBC until I get within about 20-25 miles of their transmitter. If I drive away from power lines and interference, and shut off my engine, I can get WLW's HD in my Jimmy (I live about 70 miles from the WLW stick in Mason Ohio), and WHAS (I live about 65 miles from the WHAS stick) about 30% of the time. I have never picked up any station, including WLW after sunset. WOR's sidebands kill WLW once propagation starts. In addition, I live within groundwave coverage of the Chicago Class A's, and have been listening to WGN for many years. But when WLW had their IBOC turned on, all I get is the noise and a faint WGN underneath. No more Cub games. FM may succeed, not because the quality of FM-IBOC is better than analog FM, but possibly as a result of their HD2 and HD3 niche programming. AM HD is absolutely worthless. As I drive around Indianapolis listening to WIBC's HD (which sounds like a low bit rate Real Audio stream), every time I drive under a noisy powerline or under a large bridge, the HD signal drops out and my Alpine blends back to analog. Same thing with thunderstorms. When thunderstorms are in the area, with every flash of lightning my Alpine blends back to analog. Since lightning bolts are frequent in Indiana, before my radio can reacquire the HD carrier and start decoding (a process that takes 5-10 seconds) the signal,. another bolt of lightning flashes and I get the crackle on my analog AM. I really wanted to be objective about this.. to the extent of being a very early adopter and I've read Tom Ray's posts with an open mind, but there is absolutely no benefit to AM-HD. The total failure of HD at night, and limited coverage during the day (AM-HD's coverage is not reliable, even within the city grade contour) and ABC's decision to stop transmitting in HD at night is indicative of how flawed AM HD is. The NAB failed us on this one. The FCC failed us on this one. It is time to admit defeat and pull the plug on AM IBOC. -Jim- #AOLMsgPart_2_704d0d3b-9a96-42a6-b270-9bbf02355768 #AOLMsgPart_2_704d0d3b-9a96-42a6-b270-9bbf02355768 #AOLMsgPart_2_704d0d3b-9a96-42a6-b270-9bbf02355768 ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dolphin@strangeanimals.net Fri Oct 05 07:57:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: dolphin@strangeanimals.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72458 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2007 14:57:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2007 14:57:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.241) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2007 14:57:44 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n26.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2007 14:57:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2007 14:57:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2007 14:57:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 14:57:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.241 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.93.7.233 From: "amradiozebra" Subject: the ideal solution X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184419589; y=wnceSdJdPvKy6-JWAAktDEU_mVYXPCshBwTrdXbTH7tcQssLvQx3H_c X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiozebra HD in the daytime and C-QUAM at night. I *like* HD AM. Call me a heretic. And KKSF-2 on FM plays great Jazz,=20 I would buy the radio for that channel alone. But also I miss AM Stereo DXing... From bratina501@msn.com Fri Oct 05 14:33:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89674 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2007 21:33:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2007 21:33:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.122) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2007 21:33:22 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2007 21:33:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2007 21:33:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2007 21:33:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 21:33:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000e01c80717$c81794d0$80f010ac@hank320a6cca48> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.122 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.53.236 From: "Nicholas" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Hi Kevin T and Gang X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=YfX5Qqx693j9t1ic_mw-IsmUPIyzPiBCJ17XDxfCTFAkGynBRA X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > I can't get knx at all > am unsure if it is do to the fact that I am in a apartment building > kex 1190 is in hd the light blinks at night my radio sees the hd carier but that is all portland is about a hour and a half from me I am in southwestern wa I think I just moved to this side of the state about 6 months ago. > was unaware kfbk had hd will keep you all posted > take care > Hank You might not be able to if you are in an apartment building because of the cage effect. If you are in Southwest Washington that means we are not too far apart I am in Toledo and have a longwire antenna about 1,000 FT long and even then the best I have ever gotten on KEX is an occasional and intermittent HD lock. Try for KHHO 850 up there you should have better luck if it is possible to place a loop antenna in a window. KFBK 1530 does have HD and I have heard them too and the receiver was locked on most of the time with the digital signal strength display maxed out at times. From ke7ief@aol.com Fri Oct 05 15:51:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19388 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2007 22:51:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2007 22:51:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.136.171) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2007 22:51:30 -0000 Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cfe.18acd80b (37523) for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 18:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hank320a6cca48 (75-165-59-64.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.59.64]) by cia-ma08.mx.aol.com (v119.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA088-92934706bfec3e6; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:51:25 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c807a2$420661b0$80f010ac@hank320a6cca48> To: References: Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:51:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.59.64 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hi Kevin T and Gang X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=cKE1lUJlwsvfKp93BDTf7SpjOlMNcpdNuzF6pDOiHXBngIjrNyZp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello what loop antanna do you suggest I get? I am using the radio osiphy hd-100 also what is talito buy? I am still getting familular with the towns sarounding me. thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: Nicholas To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 2:33 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Hi Kevin T and Gang --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > I can't get knx at all > am unsure if it is do to the fact that I am in a apartment building > kex 1190 is in hd the light blinks at night my radio sees the hd carier but that is all portland is about a hour and a half from me I am in southwestern wa I think I just moved to this side of the state about 6 months ago. > was unaware kfbk had hd will keep you all posted > take care > Hank You might not be able to if you are in an apartment building because of the cage effect. If you are in Southwest Washington that means we are not too far apart I am in Toledo and have a longwire antenna about 1,000 FT long and even then the best I have ever gotten on KEX is an occasional and intermittent HD lock. Try for KHHO 850 up there you should have better luck if it is possible to place a loop antenna in a window. KFBK 1530 does have HD and I have heard them too and the receiver was locked on most of the time with the digital signal strength display maxed out at times. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Fri Oct 05 16:21:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45961 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2007 23:21:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2007 23:21:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.124) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2007 23:21:27 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2007 23:21:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2007 23:21:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2007 23:21:22 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:21:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000b01c807a2$420661b0$80f010ac@hank320a6cca48> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.124 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.53.236 From: "Nicholas" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Hi Kevin T and Gang X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=kRwjaqcfewBJhTmMwtJln6cutSdtT-Gkc2USzv8pjwuTglnDhw X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > Hello >=20 > what loop antanna do you suggest I get? > I am using the radio osiphy hd-100 > also what is talito buy? I am still getting familular with the towns sarounding me. > thanks > Hank The loop I have been using was made by Radioshack and unfortunately was discontinued recently but many others have used the Select-A-Tenna made by C Crane and had good results on analog AM but it should work for digital. Toledo is close to Centralia and Chehalis actually about 20 miles south of those two cities on another topic there was an AM stereo station up around Olympia it was KGHO on 920 they had an oldies format at first but then started playing many genres of music in the summer of 2003 but went back to oldies later on that year sadly they are mono and talk now.=20 From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Oct 05 16:26:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43674 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2007 23:26:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2007 23:26:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2007 23:26:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 72905 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Oct 2007 23:25:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: sPuTV10VM1kmvi0OhURRbbXEIFfbkKYR0b1Qzi7xQMa7jLbPnr3z6vgiIq8rBFP8_UdJmwTfiw-- Received: from [209.213.18.152] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:25:18 PDT Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:25:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <959798.72902.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hi Kevin T and Gang X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=nz2TE6dGLzC-A603ES0NQhB_jfRFTr7poAddimgZhgQ X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Nicholas wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" > wrote: > > > > Hello > > > > what loop antanna do you suggest I get? > > I am using the radio osiphy hd-100 > > also what is talito buy? I am still getting > familular with the towns > sarounding me. > > thanks > > Hank > > The loop I have been using was made by Radioshack > and unfortunately > was discontinued recently but many others have used > the Select-A-Tenna > made by C Crane and had good results on analog AM > but it should work for digital. That the loop will work for either analog or digital is a no brainer. It's just RF. The TERK loop is very close to the discontinued Radio Shack loop in performance. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From bratina501@msn.com Fri Oct 05 16:45:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38072 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2007 23:45:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2007 23:45:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.220) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2007 23:45:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2007 23:45:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2007 23:45:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:45:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <959798.72902.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.53.236 From: "Nicholas" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Hi Kevin T and Gang X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=LUEx9Dzq-a_30JKSLD96IzmtCnaZTxcqU9CN52fN5aZ8WdnD9w X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > That the loop will work for either analog or digital > is a no brainer. It's just RF. The TERK loop is very > close to the discontinued Radio Shack loop in > performance.=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell I checked the specs for the Terk loop one version I have seen only covers 530-1600 the Radioshack loop covers 530-1710 with the Terk that might sacrifice the expanded band. However, it looks like C Crane has the latest version of the Terk so that might not be a problem. The main worry of mine is bandwidth the loop might have a narrow one and with the Radioshack loop I have to tune it precisely in order to get digital the digital signals. From ke7ief@aol.com Fri Oct 05 16:50:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24158 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2007 23:50:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2007 23:50:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2007 23:50:04 -0000 Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id r.ca7.1bf938bf (52483) for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 19:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hank320a6cca48 (75-165-59-64.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.59.64]) by ciaaol-d10.mx.aol.com (v119.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD105-cd034706cd6231d; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:48:52 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c807aa$4864cee0$80f010ac@hank320a6cca48> To: References: Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:48:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.59.64 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hi Kevin T and Gang X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=opUIld4d_oylgux92_tjCkz6AQkCxe39DBkZL2cbEApOraNo2BcK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cool. do I need to put the select antanna buy the window cause I am having poor results here. also I am famular where Centralia and Chehalis. didn't know about 920. its still on the an stereo page as being in am stereo. speaking of am stereo though try dxing am 1060 ckmx it is a canada am stereo station comes in faily well here at night in stereo on my hd radio. ----- Original Message ----- From: Nicholas To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 4:21 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Hi Kevin T and Gang --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > Hello > > what loop antanna do you suggest I get? > I am using the radio osiphy hd-100 > also what is talito buy? I am still getting familular with the towns sarounding me. > thanks > Hank The loop I have been using was made by Radioshack and unfortunately was discontinued recently but many others have used the Select-A-Tenna made by C Crane and had good results on analog AM but it should work for digital. Toledo is close to Centralia and Chehalis actually about 20 miles south of those two cities on another topic there was an AM stereo station up around Olympia it was KGHO on 920 they had an oldies format at first but then started playing many genres of music in the summer of 2003 but went back to oldies later on that year sadly they are mono and talk now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 05 16:50:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43887 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2007 23:50:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2007 23:50:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.118) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2007 23:50:44 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2007 23:49:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2007 23:49:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2007 23:49:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:49:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.118 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.26.20.7 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: the ideal solution X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=PbAfiyOHi-qA_QVnIBGkh1cuvY_ByRxb6DkKNtlr0cCEE-vu6cL_XheKA82j09RDmqcejjyg X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amradiozebra" =20 wrote: > > HD in the daytime and C-QUAM at night. > I *like* HD AM. Call me a heretic. > And KKSF-2 on FM plays great Jazz,=20 > I would buy the radio for that channel alone. > But also I miss AM Stereo DXing... > Hi I have a better idea than that. Just have C-QuAM on AM only. Jim=20 Smith From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Oct 05 17:15:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73073 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2007 00:15:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2007 00:15:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.160) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2007 00:15:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 63244 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Oct 2007 00:15:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: phQ9JJoVM1ncDqBd4qRwvWz0rZFq8yBNa9Yx37_BRyg7sYnLyDfnXqJ9CVxGWdBZtZqE1bUJGw-- Received: from [209.213.18.170] by web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:15:25 PDT Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:15:25 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <496339.63233.qm@web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hi Kevin T and Gang X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=QKONEqKZ2hnp22xUXRm7_XujMAM01OmFSKyFz1Hok2s X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Nicholas wrote: > I checked the specs for the Terk loop one version I > have seen only > covers 530-1600 the Radioshack loop covers 530-1710 > with the Terk that > might sacrifice the expanded band. However, it looks > like C Crane has > the latest version of the Terk so that might not be > a problem. The > main worry of mine is bandwidth the loop might have > a narrow one and > with the Radioshack loop I have to tune it precisely > in order to get > digital the digital signals. My Terk loop is the AM Advantage. The last number on the "dial" is 1600 but it tunes WELL past 1700. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Oct 05 17:17:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12513 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2007 00:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2007 00:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.159) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2007 00:17:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 1658 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Oct 2007 00:17:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: TsLRF3cVM1kCuDY1pHmIIlDC4ZJE.53PumQZxffGBaIU1Jxfnq8lwoe0azNNawhDQ47zHGXoqA-- Received: from [209.213.18.170] by web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:17:55 PDT Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:17:55 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <527537.1630.qm@web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: the ideal solution X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Hadcsd95D1j1J1oy8cwCJnpQTLay2e_TskbUegwbEcA X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jim smith wrote: > Hi I have a better idea than that. Just have C-QuAM > on AM only. Jim > Smith UMMMMMMMM, Jim C-Quam IS AM only. Want to rephrase that? I'm rather confused as to what you are trying to say here. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From ke7ief@aol.com Fri Oct 05 17:55:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94331 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2007 00:55:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2007 00:55:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imr-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.159.7) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2007 00:55:43 -0000 Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mail.aol.com [172.20.107.72]) by imr-d06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN5-64706dd0435b; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:55:32 -0400 Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c25.20fe0f15 (37181) for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:38:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hank320a6cca48 (75-165-59-64.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.59.64]) by cia-ma05.mx.aol.com (v119.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA054-913d4706d911102; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:38:42 -0400 Message-ID: <001701c807b1$3efc0a10$80f010ac@hank320a6cca48> To: Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:38:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.107.72 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.159.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: hd am for part 15 stations? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=XC45zQMtdfpBt_0t0-kEOOXGhmE_rj5llHsXCsI5Xx6ENy27s06Z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello does any one know if thee folks who make the hd technology plan on making a part 15 100 mw transmitter for am? just curious. Hank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Oct 05 19:24:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52999 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2007 02:24:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2007 02:24:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.122) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2007 02:24:10 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2007 02:24:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2007 02:24:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2007 02:24:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 02:24:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <527537.1630.qm@web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.122 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.60 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: the ideal solution X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=_ANGJvAStdQ9OC-8hcusxxGj1uNFVR25-7tGsWJNnlh3VbXWKA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > --- jim smith wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > Hi I have a better idea than that. Just have C-QuAM > > on AM only. Jim=20 > > Smith >=20 > UMMMMMMMM, Jim C-Quam IS AM only. Want to rephrase > that? I'm rather confused as to what you are trying to > say here. >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 HI GANG!!! Brothers and Sisters, let me remember you that the ideal solution=20 would be A BETTER PROGRAMMING FORMAT!!! It doesn't matter how good or how bad the sound is: IF the listener=20 doesn't like the contents... we will only speak in the desert. Of course, I VOTE FOR ANALOG AM STEREO!!! But, I insist, we must to=20 change the programme first. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Oct 05 19:36:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43479 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2007 02:36:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2007 02:36:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.234) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2007 02:36:12 -0000 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h29so564104wxd for ; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:36:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.67.4 with SMTP id p4mr20292137wxa.1191638171528; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:36:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [75.88.68.25]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i39sm7840441wxd.2007.10.05.19.36.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:36:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4706F499.60504@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 21:36:09 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: the ideal solution X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=0slUvcZ83mFmt6V_J0KNcTRxYwnRE_utmpDtXNVlUW4UR64aI5CSIEZ75sbl6A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jotape1960 wrote: > Of course, I VOTE FOR ANALOG AM STEREO!!! But, I insist, we must to change the programme first. > In Trenton MO, KTTN "Soft Hits Stereo 16" is doing it right with Live N Local AC-Full Service format and GREAT audio! Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Fri Oct 05 21:38:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23082 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2007 04:38:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2007 04:38:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp102.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (68.142.229.103) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2007 04:38:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 43205 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2007 04:38:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO EMACHINE) (jimbo700@sbcglobal.net@70.239.90.43 with login) by smtp102.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2007 04:38:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7SNMulgVM1nobjpJSxCv2Q7zU0_qGWLMLmMJ.s3CgZuT4P9EDtcOo80JubaNaWjCdeSNnlIJTA-- Message-ID: <000701c807d2$c57e1440$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <003701c806f1$fc547ea0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> <8C9D5754CD688B2-93C-4DDB@webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 00:38:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000778-4, 10/05/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 68.142.229.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: No more nighttime IBOC on ABC/Citadel stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=5KAHRCt_vkqhig3_xMe4_dWJCrfT5Trbs6k85Df3I0AQwLA X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Mike wrote: > When you can't get blowtorches like WLW and WHAS at 60 - 70 > miles, the medium isn't viable in my opinion. > You too close in get skywave.? WLW and WHAS both use halfwave > "anti-fade" towers.? Anti-fade means the towers have a low vertical > angle?radiation to extend the skywave return well beyond the groundwave > contour. Definitely too close for skywave on WLW. They are pretty much rock solid, except tonight WGN's IBOC is scouring up their signal a bit. I seem to be close to the edge of the groundwave/skywave cancellation on WHAS because they are strong during the day but they can actually completely fade out after sunset. Very strange. -Jim- From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Oct 05 22:09:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44206 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2007 05:09:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2007 05:09:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.182.182) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2007 05:09:07 -0000 Received: from [217.146.182.177] by n5.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2007 05:09:06 -0000 Received: from [217.146.182.191] by t3.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2007 05:09:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2007 05:09:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 631219.50532.bm@omp105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 97817 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Oct 2007 05:09:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GfG4B.8VM1nqnGJr6eft7PIvzipX5BizPLZPin5UZj9vEsvv.0pV.uUIskghbWnEoMwVKzzlEvO4mxz1YVPZEO2QhLr1MQXTdNgtT2yYS2KXi16cdHLK.rw- Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 22:09:06 PDT Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 22:09:06 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <276123.97814.qm@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.182.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Powell X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=8E_eenp7D9gklzUyR3l55IwBL8R_ZGM_BgXmaeKYdi3J1eMpKo-f X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Powell post something so I can get you're email address. I don't have it for some reason my address book on here is messed up. I was gonna write you and ask you about a specific oldies song. Well write me. Thanks Powell. -Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Oct 06 06:41:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52976 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2007 13:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2007 13:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.160) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2007 13:41:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 51794 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Oct 2007 13:41:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: mIqagg8VM1kR0b8Uq1Kd5fiFv5Wp.IAGI2AXDjOAQCGcCrwYapzvV8Lz6In1gKiJXMN5taUEwQ-- Received: from [209.213.18.162] by web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 06:41:47 PDT Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 06:41:47 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <276123.97814.qm@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <603064.51773.qm@web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Powell X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Zk_SOubCnbWJhMCdR4Bxu37Xr5E8KJLQLB6facULue0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- clemsonbloke wrote: > Powell post something so I can get you're email > address. I don't have it for some reason my address > book on here is messed up. I was gonna write you > and > ask you about a specific oldies song. Well write > me. > Thanks Powell. > -Kevin I'm here. To keep this list specific, I think I will fire up the Alfredo Lite later today. On the new one I need to see if it works. It got a bit smoked up in the fire last November. Powell in Silverstreet, SC NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Oct 06 09:33:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50668 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2007 16:33:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2007 16:33:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.160) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2007 16:33:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 15673 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Oct 2007 16:33:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4yUHETEVM1m3NclTmrBfNfKBr3FzOxvcSd7l43kt5_8XyWB9Lw1Bo2elm9KYLYNzJLj52ZiGIA-- Received: from [209.213.18.9] by web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 09:33:39 PDT Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 09:33:39 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001701c807b1$3efc0a10$80f010ac@hank320a6cca48> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <214457.15020.qm@web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} hd am for part 15 stations? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=DSZ08bLRojQggfdXUZeIF0CuXv4Rvg0yXyR2ElgOIEQ X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- hank smith wrote: > hello does any one know if thee folks who make the > hd technology plan on making a part 15 100 mw > transmitter for am? just curious. > Hank How many thousands would it be? And then the yearly fee. I can't even see iBiquity even allowing it. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From ke7ief@aol.com Sat Oct 06 10:11:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46406 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2007 17:11:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2007 17:11:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.136.172) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2007 17:11:48 -0000 Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c6d.190ac12a (52336) for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 13:11:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hank320a6cca48 (75-165-59-64.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.59.64]) by ciaaol-d05.mail.aol.com (v119.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD0510-cc704707c1cd314; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 13:11:42 -0400 Message-ID: <002601c8083b$f776cd70$80f010ac@hank320a6cca48> To: References: <214457.15020.qm@web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:11:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.59.64 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} hd am for part 15 stations? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=PZS_VrUtWHqfOWqyYSJeNvGDxhC17nrcuIw6t7GjU__Ck5RxkEpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wasn't sure what about the drm system? its used all over shortwave and am and I think fm in other parts of the world. thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 9:33 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} hd am for part 15 stations? --- hank smith wrote: > hello does any one know if thee folks who make the > hd technology plan on making a part 15 100 mw > transmitter for am? just curious. > Hank How many thousands would it be? And then the yearly fee. I can't even see iBiquity even allowing it. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Sat Oct 06 13:34:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40400 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2007 20:34:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2007 20:34:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.169) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2007 20:34:03 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n8.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2007 20:31:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2007 20:31:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2007 20:31:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 20:30:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002601c8083b$f776cd70$80f010ac@hank320a6cca48> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.53.236 From: "Nicholas" Subject: Re: {AMSF} hd am for part 15 stations? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=hTNLZYZOKxibULbcCos_sfKaQFtN_dcmsatqucD7ztsbzQ-nnw X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > I wasn't sure > what about the drm system? > its used all over shortwave and am and I think fm in other parts of the world. > thanks > Hank The DRM system will work for part-15 AM it is non proprietary thus no royalties are required to use it and many amateur radio operators use it on HF mainly the 20 meter band at or near 14.236 USB but this is a special version which is not compatible with broadcast DRM this version takes up about 2.5 KHz of bandwidth and provides good quality audio when the SNR is high enough. I think all that would be needed is a computer to function as a DRM encoder and a special transmitter that is capable of passing a signal with a 10 KHz bandwidth and a software program that can function as a DRM encoder the only such program I know of is Dream which will also receive, just find and compile the source code or there are pre-compiled versions on the net you just have to find them. From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Oct 06 14:12:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38646 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2007 21:12:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2007 21:12:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2007 21:12:16 -0000 Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.ca6.1c07879f (34920) for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 17:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail-da12 (webmail-da12.webmail.aol.com [205.188.212.207]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v119.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA035-88684707fa2b331; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 17:12:11 -0400 References: <001701c807b1$3efc0a10$80f010ac@hank320a6cca48> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 17:12:12 -0400 In-Reply-To: <001701c807b1$3efc0a10$80f010ac@hank320a6cca48> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 30978-STANDARD Received: from 75.43.91.209 by webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.207) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 17:12:12 -0400 Message-Id: <8C9D674B26DCB3B-904-894@webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.207 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} hd am for part 15 stations? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ajtKRlsOQxn6xzQafWfDDNhgm6QAWYWND9TolwdUe0Z03mU32zG_cHXiOUOmSBVm X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am working on a very high fidelity Ampliphase AM transmitter with 100 mW output if you are interested.? What you need is an HD encoder card.? Those aren't cheap. Incidentally, if anyone knows of an ultrafast DSM processor or how to breadboard surface mount components, please email me. Mike ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Oct 06 15:47:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15593 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2007 22:47:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2007 22:47:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2007 22:47:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 97828 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Oct 2007 22:47:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: bQ.K92cVM1mSSQKAHWctdG1KQsB2o68mjhkUz3yIZ0lFSZHU8s5AYCV1qtWp.57nSQ-- Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 15:47:27 PDT Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:47:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002601c8083b$f776cd70$80f010ac@hank320a6cca48> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <41585.96395.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} hd am for part 15 stations? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=epsfTNhf00X5fZA0gRmdaCLPrbx6zD00nsOOycKziYM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- hank smith wrote: > I wasn't sure > what about the drm system? > its used all over shortwave and am and I think fm in > other parts of the world. > thanks Well no, there are a rare few using it on SW and no FM.... YET though they ARE working on it. DRM is free, but it has problems with being fragile, but it's not AS bad as HD but it's FAR F A R from being close to halfway reliable in anything but perfect interference free situations. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From ke7ief@aol.com Sat Oct 06 18:43:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5303 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2007 01:43:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2007 01:43:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2007 01:43:54 -0000 Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id r.c4a.1ea60ee3 (52419) for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hank320a6cca48 (75-165-59-64.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.59.64]) by ciaaol-m06.mx.aol.com (v119.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM062-ccc3470839d2101; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 21:43:47 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c80883$80b06140$80f010ac@hank320a6cca48> To: References: Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:43:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.59.64 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} hd am for part 15 stations? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=OPk8e6yxvO5cTo0q-CH1YUK3tVt1UckktaoQ27Pe0xABVz3_iM71 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what type of transmitter is needed? and where do you get that at? thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: Nicholas To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 1:30 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} hd am for part 15 stations? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > I wasn't sure > what about the drm system? > its used all over shortwave and am and I think fm in other parts of the world. > thanks > Hank The DRM system will work for part-15 AM it is non proprietary thus no royalties are required to use it and many amateur radio operators use it on HF mainly the 20 meter band at or near 14.236 USB but this is a special version which is not compatible with broadcast DRM this version takes up about 2.5 KHz of bandwidth and provides good quality audio when the SNR is high enough. I think all that would be needed is a computer to function as a DRM encoder and a special transmitter that is capable of passing a signal with a 10 KHz bandwidth and a software program that can function as a DRM encoder the only such program I know of is Dream which will also receive, just find and compile the source code or there are pre-compiled versions on the net you just have to find them. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sat Oct 06 19:00:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66164 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2007 02:00:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2007 02:00:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imr-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.200) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2007 02:00:50 -0000 Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mail.aol.com [172.20.107.74]) by imr-m06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN10-b47083dc3181; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 22:00:35 -0400 Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id r.ca6.1c0b684f (60474) for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hank320a6cca48 (75-165-59-64.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.59.64]) by ciaaol-m03.mx.aol.com (v119.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM033-ec3a47083a055; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 21:44:38 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c80883$9f5ba320$80f010ac@hank320a6cca48> To: References: <001701c807b1$3efc0a10$80f010ac@hank320a6cca48> <8C9D674B26DCB3B-904-894@webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:44:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.107.74 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} hd am for part 15 stations? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=Y5OCWIf5_nlf7oVCi1yJMvLDzblemuSih_9d3PZCLI5qekyVwmaw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am currently using a amt 3000 made buy sstran can you tell me more a bout yours? thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 2:12 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} hd am for part 15 stations? I am working on a very high fidelity Ampliphase AM transmitter with 100 mW output if you are interested.? What you need is an HD encoder card.? Those aren't cheap. Incidentally, if anyone knows of an ultrafast DSM processor or how to breadboard surface mount components, please email me. Mike __________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 06 22:33:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41548 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2007 05:33:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2007 05:33:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.216) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2007 05:33:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2007 05:33:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2007 05:33:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 05:33:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <527537.1630.qm@web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.148.10 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: the ideal solution X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=7vWS6Q3cYTkCa_idPai8HGMeaPnFM-1JqCnBDnBMuUUe-GuunlbkbWHQtBbQtG8iwDP-DZsq X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > --- jim smith wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > Hi I have a better idea than that. Just have C-QuAM > > on AM only. Jim=20 > > Smith >=20 > UMMMMMMMM, Jim C-Quam IS AM only. Want to rephrase > that? I'm rather confused as to what you are trying to > say here. >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net Hi Powell What I ment was that C-QuAM AM STEREO is much better to=20 have on the AM band then AM HD. Some thing that puts out that much=20 noise should not be on the AM band. Just my 2 cents. Thank you for=20 asking. Jim Smith From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Oct 06 23:32:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57115 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2007 06:32:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2007 06:32:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.169) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2007 06:32:41 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n8.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2007 06:32:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2007 06:32:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2007 06:32:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 06:32:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001301c80883$9f5ba320$80f010ac@hank320a6cca48> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.63 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} hd am for part 15 stations? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Tx6QAOwuILBv2K1Wgvyy35_ycdbMHOP1l2ugZEuHCyE9bek5Kg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" =20 wrote: > > I am currently using a amt 3000 > made buy sstran > can you tell me more a bout yours? > thanks > Hank > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: mjgrant@...=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 2:12 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} hd am for part 15 stations? >=20 >=20 > I am working on a very high fidelity Ampliphase AM transmitter=20 with 100 mW output if you are interested.? What you need is an HD=20 encoder card.? Those aren't cheap. >=20 > Incidentally, if anyone knows of an ultrafast DSM processor or=20 how to breadboard surface mount components, please email me. >=20 > Mike >=20 HI!!! I'm not an engineer and I'm not an expert in HD (and I don't hope to=20 be one) but I'm an advanced PC user and I think all the processing=20 part and encoding part could be in software (because any PC sound=20 card has a digital output stream that we can use to interface the HD=20 TX). The problem is where in the world is that kind of software!!! I=20 don't know. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Oct 07 08:46:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15536 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2007 15:46:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2007 15:46:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2007 15:46:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 49965 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Oct 2007 15:46:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8P15XFcVM1k1A0lkmNnAqqhQVzH4oizg8OGh.c_JP1_6ZFRwQYMkcKgoi1ZEk1J_p4AMQdUrlA-- Received: from [209.213.18.63] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 08:46:54 PDT Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 08:46:54 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <889066.48835.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: the ideal solution X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=PBGEqQhYcu8LLYehGHCxFABqrmtj4LWy0OTmlfFYURw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jim smith wrote: > Hi Powell What I ment was that C-QuAM AM STEREO is > much better to > have on the AM band then AM HD. Some thing that puts > out that much > noise should not be on the AM band. Just my 2 cents. > Thank you for > asking. Jim Smith ANYthing digital belongs on UHF. Impulse noise is a problem and causes drop outs. Impulse noise as in thunderstorm static is a major problem with HD on the AM band. I'll bet it causes dropouts on FM. The HDTV folks are abandoning low band VHF for that reason. The channel 8 to 13 allocations are also affected but not as bad. HDTV should be channels 14-69 instead of 7-51. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Oct 07 11:54:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96388 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2007 18:53:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2007 18:53:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imr-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.209) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2007 18:53:59 -0000 Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mail.aol.com [172.20.107.73]) by imr-m07.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN7-847092b4017f; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 14:53:52 -0400 Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id r.d29.13f96b65 (34908) for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 14:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MBLK-M05 (mblk-m05.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.38]) by cia-da02.mx.aol.com (v119.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA025-885c47091eb529; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 14:00:21 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 14:00:21 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 30978-STANDARD Received: from 70.245.209.126 by MBLK-M05.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.38) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 14:00:21 -0400 Message-Id: <8C9D723103F3F15-718-A7B7@MBLK-M05.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 172.20.107.73 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} hd am for part 15 stations? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=obIHa881KcCt-l7MYDozg5yUd5KKAe0GNPvi2tFQEBpgRKEInkwLdKtJMpN0MVIK X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My Ampliphase project came out of=C2=A0a couple of projects.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I = am in another group that deals with vacuum tube electronics.=C2=A0 Among th= e group are those who wanted a means to play their own program content thro= ugh their antique radios.=C2=A0 Then a guy contacted me about a way to brin= g a=C2=A05kW RCA Ampliphase back to life. It has been 30 years since I last touch an Ampliphase transmitter.=C2=A0 It= was a 50kW plant with the vacuum tube exciter.=C2=A0 Aligning the exciter = and keeping it aligned was what gave the Ampliphase a bad reputation among = broadcast engineers.=C2=A0 It was a nightmare, especially for the tube exci= ter.=C2=A0 Aside from that, the Ampliphase trounched it high level plate mo= dulated competition when it came to audio performance, modulation capabilit= y, and efficiency. While RCA's Broadcast Products Division is now a thing of past as are new A= mpliphase transmitters, the Ampliphase principle still has merit.=C2=A0 The= almost universal PDM method=C2=A0is somewhat simpler, but has its own tech= nical challenges. What plaqued the Ampliphase was the technology available to implement it.= =C2=A0 It was actually invented in 1935.=C2=A0 Tubes have a number of virtu= es, but precision and stability, which are imperative with generation of th= e phase modulated signals, are not among them.=C2=A0 Techology has advanced= a great deal since 1935 when the Ampliphase principle was invented, the mi= d-1950's when RCA built the first Ampliphase transmitter, and even 1967 whe= n RCA introduced the solid state Ampliphase exciter. While not linear, the Ampliphase drive function is=C2=A0relatively simple = =C2=A0and mathematically well defined.=C2=A0 The former strongly suggests a= DSP approach.=C2=A0 The original design used an overly simple predistorter= and global negative feedback to achieve=C2=A0relatively low distortion wit= h=C2=A0cascaded tube phase modulators to achieve the phase phase modulation.=C2=A0 The system was subject to drift=C2=A0resulting in n= on-symmetrical phase modulation.=C2=A0 This condition produced spurious pha= se modulation artifacts or the "Amplifuzzies".=C2=A0 DSP would allow precis= e and rock stable generation of the Ampliphase signal pair. The software is not the issue.=C2=A0 In terms of DSP software, it would be = relatively simple.=C2=A0 The problem is finding fast enough hardware.=C2=A0= To phase modulate a 1,000 khz signal +/- Pi/2 radians with 12-bit precisio= n would require a DSP engine that runs at over=C2=A016 gigahertz. My present idea is to do an improvement version of RCA's solid state approa= ch.=C2=A0 The challenge I am facing is finding thru-hole components to do b= readboarding.=C2=A0 The output stage is actually a pair of 74AC14 CMOS IC's= driving=C2=A0a passive combiner. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 1:32 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} hd am for part 15 stations? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" =20 wrote: > > I am currently using a amt 3000 > made buy sstran > can you tell me more a bout yours? > thanks > Hank > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: mjgrant@...=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 2:12 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} hd am for part 15 stations? >=20 >=20 > I am working on a very high fidelity Ampliphase AM transmitter=20 with 100 mW output if you are interested.? What you need is an HD=20 encoder card.? Those aren't cheap. >=20 > Incidentally, if anyone knows of an ultrafast DSM processor or=20 how to breadboard surface mount components, please email me. >=20 > Mike >=20 HI!!! I'm not an engineer and I'm not an expert in HD (and I don't hope to=20 be one) but I'm an advanced PC user and I think all the processing=20 part and encoding part could be in software (because any PC sound=20 card has a digital output stream that we can use to interface the HD=20 TX). The problem is where in the world is that kind of software!!! I=20 don't know. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love =20 ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - htt= p://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Sun Oct 07 14:27:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97642 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2007 21:27:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2007 21:27:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp116.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.96.89) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2007 21:27:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 64476 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2007 21:27:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO EMACHINE) (jimbo700@sbcglobal.net@75.19.177.46 with login) by smtp116.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2007 21:27:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: uohz60oVM1nSjkBt015Nr8NCK0j8_FPJS9oxs9_ptUGc4284udogRCYwpv.Vz6ro4NqrY6244g-- Message-ID: <002101c80928$db7d6870$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <214457.15020.qm@web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002601c8083b$f776cd70$80f010ac@hank320a6cca48> Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 17:27:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000778-5, 10/06/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 66.196.96.89 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} hd am for part 15 stations? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=E6DhgcHtGo2wmQjRv4WX0rYdSbc38nvtZdDSrr6yrszETpQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > hello does any one know if thee folks who make the > hd technology plan on making a part 15 100 mw > transmitter for am? just curious. > Hank I have serious doubts as to whether a Part 15 AM transmitter could generate a usable HD signal. The amount of signal it takes for an HD radio to work is much higher than the analog signal. As I've posted, WLW is a 50,000 class A radio station. I can receive their analog signal interference-free here in South Central Indiana 24 hours per day. The only way I can pick up their HD signal is to drive away from power lines and any interference, shut down the motor on my Jimmy and then it may (or may not) switch over to digital. If I drive to Cincinnati, I have to cross the Ohio state line to get close enough for continuous, reliable HD service. A fellow engineer and I spent a day mapping out the reliable contour of HD, and for a 50,000 watt omnidirectional AM station with a good ground system with decent ground conductivity, you need to be within at least 40 miles of the stick. The interference-free analog city-grade signal is normally about 60-70 miles (based on tests of WHAS, WLW, WOWO and WCKY), but the HD is consistently good only to about 35-40 miles. We each took Alpine HD radios (but different models) and came up with the same results. Class B stations vary depending on power, but the average 5,000 omnidirectional station's HD signal is consistently reliable only 15 miles or so from the stick. Any station with 1,000 watts or less shouldn't even try HD. If you had a Part 15 AM station and wanted to buy an HD encoder, the reliable reception would only be a foot or two from the transmitter, if it works at all. You must have a really robust signal to decode HD and I don't think a Part 15 could generate enough to work. -Jim- From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Oct 07 15:04:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56111 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2007 22:04:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2007 22:04:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2007 22:04:30 -0000 Received: from [64.131.24.219] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071007170355101594500003> for ; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 17:03:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <006d01c8092f$452dc700$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <8C9D723103F3F15-718-A7B7@MBLK-M05.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 17:03:55 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} hd am for part 15 stations? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=vL8sj5-Qk6vPrugQO7TlXKihhm1NjgnI1aoq0sm4sFG95L2KIoKi X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The transmitters at WAPE in Jacksonville, FL were a home-brew ampliphase design that was supposedly markedly superior to RCA's, especially in terms of stability. It was designed by their engineer, a guy named Brennan. I'd be interested in learning more about it myself, but time hasn't permitted. BTW- used to have an RCA 50G Ampliphase backup transmitter when I worked at KSTP many moons ago. It got sold to another station in the market and then was removed from that station and sold to another station in Argentina from what I've heard. Those 5671 triode output tubes were the most massive one's I've seen. 11V @ 285A just to light the filaments on each. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com It has been 30 years since I last touch an Ampliphase transmitter. It was a 50kW plant with the vacuum tube exciter. Aligning the exciter and keeping it aligned was what gave the Ampliphase a bad reputation among broadcast engineers. It was a nightmare, especially for the tube exciter. Aside from that, the Ampliphase trounched it high level plate modulated competition when it came to audio performance, modulation capability, and efficiency. What plaqued the Ampliphase was the technology available to implement it. It was actually invented in 1935. Tubes have a number of virtues, but precision and stability, which are imperative with generation of the phase modulated signals, are not among them. Techology has advanced a great deal since 1935 when the Ampliphase principle was invented, the mid-1950's when RCA built the first Ampliphase transmitter, and even 1967 when RCA introduced the solid state Ampliphase exciter. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From robert.w.welch@att.net Sun Oct 07 16:46:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88061 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2007 23:46:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2007 23:46:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.119) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2007 23:46:47 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2007 23:46:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2007 23:46:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2007 23:46:34 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 23:46:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002101c80928$db7d6870$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.119 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.19.95.58 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: hd am for part 15 stations? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=wapMrMI5QLL_em0i021rad1bzxoSCWsKm9RJ7iiEfvmN5wPUWPqb X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 The interference-free analog city-grade signal is normally about=20 > 60-70 miles (based on tests of WHAS, WLW, WOWO and WCKY), but the=20 HD is=20 > consistently good only to about 35-40 miles. Or... in the case of an ocean influence 100s of miles. I was in=20 Passamaquody Bay between Maine and New Brunswick. I caught WBZ-HD in=20 the bay on a ferry. Not really that far from the land which is=20 Eastport, ME. I was shocked, I'd had well... lack lustre performance=20 from HD from all accounts of mine as compared to the regular=20 transmissions of WBZ in other parts of the listening area by day.=20=20 Then, wow.. I caught the HD that far up. Now... I grew up listening to the Boston 50-kw'ers in that part of=20 Maine in the summer... So I know how the signals... at least in=20 analog are to behave up there. But, I always thought the HD needed a=20 city-grade signal and at least be around Portland or something.=20=20 However, as I drove up US-1 this past summer BZ-HD just stuck in=20 there... and stayed there... and hung there until about Bucksport,=20 ME.=20=20 Bob From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Oct 07 20:18:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55828 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2007 03:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2007 03:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2007 03:18:21 -0000 Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bbf.188c3f37 (49390) for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 23:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hank320a6cca48 (75-165-59-64.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.59.64]) by ciaaol-d07.mail.aol.com (v119.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD076-c0ee4709a15c302; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 23:17:50 -0400 Message-ID: <004901c80959$ce806740$80f010ac@hank320a6cca48> To: References: <214457.15020.qm@web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002601c8083b$f776cd70$80f010ac@hank320a6cca48> <002101c80928$db7d6870$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 20:17:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.59.64 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} hd am for part 15 stations? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=n4s2o916syoCWrE2WyXwbamJESWbwTi4zq2looXIXZ1G9oEkTQJ3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit could a part 15 generate a good drm signal? that is the other technology that is used in europe a bit thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Burgan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 2:27 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} hd am for part 15 stations? > hello does any one know if thee folks who make the > hd technology plan on making a part 15 100 mw > transmitter for am? just curious. > Hank I have serious doubts as to whether a Part 15 AM transmitter could generate a usable HD signal. The amount of signal it takes for an HD radio to work is much higher than the analog signal. As I've posted, WLW is a 50,000 class A radio station. I can receive their analog signal interference-free here in South Central Indiana 24 hours per day. The only way I can pick up their HD signal is to drive away from power lines and any interference, shut down the motor on my Jimmy and then it may (or may not) switch over to digital. If I drive to Cincinnati, I have to cross the Ohio state line to get close enough for continuous, reliable HD service. A fellow engineer and I spent a day mapping out the reliable contour of HD, and for a 50,000 watt omnidirectional AM station with a good ground system with decent ground conductivity, you need to be within at least 40 miles of the stick. The interference-free analog city-grade signal is normally about 60-70 miles (based on tests of WHAS, WLW, WOWO and WCKY), but the HD is consistently good only to about 35-40 miles. We each took Alpine HD radios (but different models) and came up with the same results. Class B stations vary depending on power, but the average 5,000 omnidirectional station's HD signal is consistently reliable only 15 miles or so from the stick. Any station with 1,000 watts or less shouldn't even try HD. If you had a Part 15 AM station and wanted to buy an HD encoder, the reliable reception would only be a foot or two from the transmitter, if it works at all. You must have a really robust signal to decode HD and I don't think a Part 15 could generate enough to work. -Jim- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Oct 07 20:27:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53601 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2007 03:27:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2007 03:27:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2007 03:27:24 -0000 Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cdb.1a30ba2d (52347) for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 23:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hank320a6cca48 (75-165-59-64.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.59.64]) by ciaaol-d08.mail.aol.com (v119.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD089-cc7b4709a37e3a4; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 23:26:58 -0400 Message-ID: <005f01c8095b$1555af30$80f010ac@hank320a6cca48> To: References: <214457.15020.qm@web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002601c8083b$f776cd70$80f010ac@hank320a6cca48> <002101c80928$db7d6870$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 20:17:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.59.64 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} hd am for part 15 stations? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=0kyze9kf-9Kf6Kpr9UcBwv2Qh0gsLPHofJxc5-kGkonBvqve2N5s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit could a part 15 generate a good drm signal? that is the other technology that is used in europe a bit thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Burgan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 2:27 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} hd am for part 15 stations? > hello does any one know if thee folks who make the > hd technology plan on making a part 15 100 mw > transmitter for am? just curious. > Hank I have serious doubts as to whether a Part 15 AM transmitter could generate a usable HD signal. The amount of signal it takes for an HD radio to work is much higher than the analog signal. As I've posted, WLW is a 50,000 class A radio station. I can receive their analog signal interference-free here in South Central Indiana 24 hours per day. The only way I can pick up their HD signal is to drive away from power lines and any interference, shut down the motor on my Jimmy and then it may (or may not) switch over to digital. If I drive to Cincinnati, I have to cross the Ohio state line to get close enough for continuous, reliable HD service. A fellow engineer and I spent a day mapping out the reliable contour of HD, and for a 50,000 watt omnidirectional AM station with a good ground system with decent ground conductivity, you need to be within at least 40 miles of the stick. The interference-free analog city-grade signal is normally about 60-70 miles (based on tests of WHAS, WLW, WOWO and WCKY), but the HD is consistently good only to about 35-40 miles. We each took Alpine HD radios (but different models) and came up with the same results. Class B stations vary depending on power, but the average 5,000 omnidirectional station's HD signal is consistently reliable only 15 miles or so from the stick. Any station with 1,000 watts or less shouldn't even try HD. If you had a Part 15 AM station and wanted to buy an HD encoder, the reliable reception would only be a foot or two from the transmitter, if it works at all. You must have a really robust signal to decode HD and I don't think a Part 15 could generate enough to work. -Jim- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Oct 07 21:00:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37281 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2007 04:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2007 04:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao105.cox.net) (68.230.241.41) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2007 04:00:05 -0000 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20071008035453.HZAR25304.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 23:54:53 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.225.240.86]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id xfus1X00D1sYu840000000; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 23:54:52 -0400 In-Reply-To: <002101c80928$db7d6870$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> References: <214457.15020.qm@web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002601c8083b$f776cd70$80f010ac@hank320a6cca48> <002101c80928$db7d6870$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <715C3613-D528-42F8-8EED-54BE5E795EE8@cox.net> Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 20:54:51 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} hd am for part 15 stations? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=yGVkINPCZ3btcpuIT0PO1Eq8LtMh-CWoEcyoUj9gpZnhayYo7fzqPNP3dli0 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That seems wrong. I know that FM HD is 1/100 of the analog power. What is AM? It can't be full power; considering that it isn't, I think it works remarkably well. As I said before, I get KOGO from San Diego in HD from Southern Los Angeles ... about 120 miles away. Richard On Oct 7, 2007, at 2:27 PM, Jim Burgan wrote: > > The amount of signal it takes for an HD radio to work is much > higher than > the analog signal. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Oct 07 21:06:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6773 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2007 04:06:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2007 04:06:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2007 04:06:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 86733 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Oct 2007 04:06:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: yKljmuYVM1k4JVa9htRgefQdti1VWgTSTZMLKQonw6T3CJS.Qk2thTBAY6MtlkJ_M_X8Aj44DSZkIgWQJ2rGJ5.C3YQ.XDVI2P1Bd1L1Y6gE8di6C79WGVihzw-- Received: from [72.241.129.52] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 21:06:33 PDT Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 21:06:33 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <839545.86596.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: the ideal solution X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=8jxmMPhT4GlyKhpVqgfwpyfqGLHBfAAryei0H29UOmw7zmVR91gdoTk X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Of course the ideal solution is CQuam night AND day. If you want to broadcast your own C-Quam, then I suggest buying a CQuam transmitter from Sotiris - ASPiSYS (on eBay), or see if Chris Cuff has any of his AlfredoLite transmitters. I'm broadcasting XM (ch 78)over an ASPiSYS C-Quam transmitter right now as a matter of fact, for my house (oh, and maybe the neighbor's too)! John ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Oct 08 01:22:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55427 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2007 08:22:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2007 08:22:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.131) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2007 08:22:06 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2007 08:22:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2007 08:22:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2007 08:22:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 08:22:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <715C3613-D528-42F8-8EED-54BE5E795EE8@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.74 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} hd am for part 15 stations? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=feF2Ah-RM-E786Kq9APEIyfs7MEjxggs3bN5EdjXS1KwBuAV5w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner =20 wrote: > > That seems wrong. I know that FM HD is 1/100 of the analog power.=20=20 > What is AM? It can't be full power; considering that it isn't, I=20=20 > think it works remarkably well. As I said before, I get KOGO from=20 San=20=20 > Diego in HD from Southern Los Angeles ... about 120 miles away. >=20 > Richard >=20 >=20 I think the problem wouldn't be the power, because you could change=20 the amount of digital stream modulation percentage at your will=20 (even reach to the 100%), knowing is illegal of course. The problem is: HD system has problems in low frecuency bands due to=20 the atmospheric characteristics, all of them far away from the human=20 control. So, if you could, only if you could, put an HD signal into a low=20 power AM TX (less than 100 watts), you will be the same problems:=20 THE HD PROBLEMS!!! Maybe we must to wait for a while to a better system (if there was=20 some way) to put a digital stream on the air in the LW, MW, SW and,=20 even, VHF bands. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Oct 08 01:57:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41732 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2007 08:57:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2007 08:57:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.214) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2007 08:57:46 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2007 08:57:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2007 08:57:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 08:57:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <839545.86596.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.74 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: the ideal solution X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=qBjNhqFaHb0o-kolS4MoeNxrEo-CL9_-NUH2ych7CpQVcJWNfQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > Of course the ideal solution is CQuam night AND day. >=20 > If you want to broadcast your own C-Quam, then I suggest buying a=20 CQuam > transmitter from Sotiris - ASPiSYS (on eBay), or see if Chris Cuff=20 has > any of his AlfredoLite transmitters. >=20 > I'm broadcasting XM (ch 78)over an ASPiSYS C-Quam transmitter=20 right now > as a matter of fact, for my house (oh, and maybe the neighbor's=20 too)! >=20 > John >=20 > Following an old domestic rule about is better to get something new=20 with only the known things (it's better a kwown devil than an=20 unkwown saint), I think the best AM signal is the only AM components=20 signal. C-QUAM AM Stereo is the only legal system now. Yes, it's true. But=20 the Motorola system (C-QUAM) has two parts: one from the AM=20 technology and another component from the phase modulation=20 technology (the Quadrature Modulation is, in fact, part of the phase=20 modulation world). So, C-QUAM is an hybrid. The only system I know to get an only AM technology world to get an=20 stereo signal was and still is the Independent SideBands system=20 (ISB). Not the original Kahn system because he used a phase=20 modulation technology trick to eliminate the undesirable sidebands,=20 but a pure single sideband (AM) technology with an extra added=20 carrier. It's absolutely mono compatible and has the best=20 performance, even in most critical situations. Ok guys, I admit it's true I've never be able to listen an ISB AM=20 Stereo station, but I've heard more than one excellent SW ISB=20 transmission (two independent audio channels in the same carrier,=20 one in the USB and another in the LSB, one in english and the other=20 in another language, german I guess, I'm not sure), and those TXs=20 have been a lot of miles away from me and I've heard them with an=20 optimal quality (despite the "fading effect", of course)!!! And, to=20 avoid any kind of misunderstandings, I can get that kind of signal=20 in a SW hamradio tuner, in SSB mode, and I can sure you can change=20 the switch from LSB to USB, and vice versa, and you can hear the=20 total separated audio without any problems. Of course, if you hear=20 in the AM (mono) mode, you can hear the two audio channels full=20 mixed (mono signal). So, if you can do that, an ISB AM Stereo signal=20 is absolutely posible!!! But, it's just a "conversation in the silence" because nobody could=20 change an FCC rule with more than 20 years old and, the most=20 important thing, I don't think this change could get more listeners=20 to the AM band itself. Mono or Stereo, Analog or Digital, C-QUAM or ISB, the only one=20 solution to the AM band is a total change of mind of the AM station=20 owners, in all over the world. If they could forget "some" money=20 issue and would think more about the people... I think the world=20 would be the AM world (is my personal opinion that the AM radio,=20 with the "state of the art" TXs and RXs conditions, sounds too much=20 better than the FM radio; a personal idea, only). As an extra idea, Could ASPISYS made an ISB AM Stereo TX and RX kit=20 (like their C-QUAM kit)? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Oct 08 05:45:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49508 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2007 12:45:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2007 12:45:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2007 12:45:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 61618 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Oct 2007 12:44:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7G0B.8cVM1nyANGOEdx97rbGPC1oZ1dg3onpbgY11ac_4uLs6khag3MVgaraZO9TAqNu3pvOEvh7Hl1ZrG23s8myhuE2ej0DDNLQ00CfpTxE5zJr2ANNbI.iRg-- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 05:44:49 PDT Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 05:44:49 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <549417.60991.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: HD is Backwards From What You Would Think X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=nN5uyRkJgoiPxQYH1iFLGXVWy9wxY-Q3ox1g4hz7P3hJdsAtOuYMDNc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio HD is backwards - here I was looking forward to listening to the 1A clear channel 50KW stations in HD at night, and at best, I get PAD info from two. So, it appears, forget about 500 watts of raw digital. At the opposite end of the pole is a local 1KW ND graveyard channel, 1KW day/night. According to their CE, they have a digital component of 7.25 watts - which makes a whole lot of noise 20KHz up and down the dial; but this 7.25 watts will lock in my HD radio, even in the car at night, while driving around the city of license! Their 7 watts of HD is more consistant in HD lock than their 5KW sister station with 50 watts of HD and 3 towers. So it appears that directional antenna systems may be the death of HD. It just blows me away that perhaps the only usuable place for HD is on 1KW AM stations! Anybody notice the same thing? John ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Oct 08 06:46:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53597 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2007 13:46:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2007 13:46:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.216) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2007 13:46:26 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2007 13:43:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2007 13:43:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2007 13:43:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 13:43:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <549417.60991.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.183.12.58 From: "narkspud" Subject: Re: HD is Backwards From What You Would Think X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=MNeS0tcKEp0U_oE2dDJFfjE2VRRI6ENUkODubfiQvgkdHGQ X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud We have a station on Catalina Island that signs on with 113 watts at 6 AM, = and I have no=20 trouble getting a lock from 41 miles away (much of it over water), despite = there being audible=20 co-channel interference on the analog. Meanwhile, closer, stronger station= s like KABC and=20 KFWB won't (erm, wouldn't) lock at all until sunrise, even if there's no po= wer/pattern change.=20=20 I think it has more to do with what's going on on the adjacent channels tha= n the power of the=20 station you're trying to receive. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote= : > Anybody notice the same thing? >=20 > John=20 >=20 >=20 > ___________________________________________________________________= _________________ > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user pa= nel and lay it on=20 us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=3D7 > From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Oct 08 06:49:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47177 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2007 13:49:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2007 13:49:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.153) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2007 13:49:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 93373 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Oct 2007 13:49:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xayMq90VM1mO9ZwrRQtOXjVB3Y_0e4ofmK9aAvEy0pN8PNWKcXaQZr.AMbhv4HhSkvLPguJD_g-- Received: from [209.213.18.138] by web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 06:49:04 PDT Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 06:49:04 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004901c80959$ce806740$80f010ac@hank320a6cca48> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <261962.92977.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} hd am for part 15 stations? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=dg7JaGAORvAqvBCoIpaI0BVo-v0I8JtPH2NCYAtfTfE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- hank smith wrote: > could a part 15 generate a good drm signal? > that is the other technology that is used in europe > a bit > thanks > Hank No same reason as HD. Now if it were a Part 150,000...maybe for a very short distance..... Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Oct 08 06:53:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86647 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2007 13:53:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2007 13:53:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2007 13:53:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 76488 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Oct 2007 13:53:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wBIUL5oVM1nrNxGJTItbnml4ZockIdx3APwUFwAtaJgT715UvDoU3qcwLGY8qAE7jVb1Ooy6dQ-- Received: from [209.213.18.138] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 06:53:10 PDT Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 06:53:10 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <715C3613-D528-42F8-8EED-54BE5E795EE8@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <912266.76263.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} hd am for part 15 stations? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=6RQiHEOXvefPWfp-7APzMsMRmCpgfOCIZELkoeofNKA X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > That seems wrong. I know that FM HD is 1/100 of the > analog power. > What is AM? It can't be full power; considering that > it isn't, I > think it works remarkably well. As I said before, I > get KOGO from San > Diego in HD from Southern Los Angeles ... about 120 > miles away. > Richard 1% for both. > > On Oct 7, 2007, at 2:27 PM, Jim Burgan wrote: > > > > > The amount of signal it takes for an HD radio to > work is much higher than the analog signal. Not correct ....no one to date has run full digital on the MW or FM band. Tom Ray said the current [Harris] software does not allow all digital mode. Earlier versions of the BE software did, and one night WCOS 1400 accidentally got left in that mode. OF course there were no commercially available radios available in my area at the time. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Oct 08 11:16:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26765 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2007 18:16:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2007 18:16:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.125) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2007 18:16:51 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2007 18:16:50 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2007 18:16:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2007 18:16:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:16:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <912266.76263.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.125 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.149.16.45 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: hd am for part 15 stations? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=EBMeuM491A1PitWYepechGK1U2WhuuUt1fzWNVPYJjL4m94 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > --- Richard Wagoner wrote: >=20 > > That seems wrong. I know that FM HD is 1/100 of the > > analog power.=20=20 > > What is AM? It can't be full power; considering that > > it isn't, I=20=20 > > think it works remarkably well. As I said before, I > > get KOGO from San=20=20 > > Diego in HD from Southern Los Angeles ... about 120 > > miles away. >=20 > > Richard >=20 >=20 > 1% for both.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 > >=20 > > On Oct 7, 2007, at 2:27 PM, Jim Burgan wrote: > >=20 > > > > > > The amount of signal it takes for an HD radio to > > work is much higher than the analog signal. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Not correct ....no one to date has run full digital on > the MW or FM band. Tom Ray said the current [Harris] > software does not allow all digital mode. Earlier > versions of the BE software did, and one night WCOS > 1400 accidentally got left in that mode. OF course > there were no commercially available radios available > in my area at the time. >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > I think the digital signal has to be down 10db, and that would mean=20 approx 10%. If I remember correctly every 3 db down is one half the=20 power so a 1000 watt station would be 500 watts down 3db, 250 watts=20 down 6 db, and 125 watts down 9 db, so what is 10db? I am not sure,=20 but Tom Ray will know..... Juan From ke7ief@aol.com Mon Oct 08 19:03:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91485 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2007 02:03:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2007 02:03:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2007 02:03:37 -0000 Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d01.1c8eb6a5 (37224) for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 22:03:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hank320a6cca48 (75-165-59-64.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.59.64]) by cia-ma06.mx.aol.com (v119.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA063-9168470ae171b; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 22:03:30 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c80a18$965e8990$80f010ac@hank320a6cca48> To: References: <839545.86596.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 19:03:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.59.64 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: the ideal solution X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=fkueaOUSztenx4bTJ1NUTBoXJlfaJ4azuXYKuCrITXAWCmPI8ryL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how much did you pay for your transmitter? what is the address so I can look in to more info on these? ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 9:06 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: the ideal solution Of course the ideal solution is CQuam night AND day. If you want to broadcast your own C-Quam, then I suggest buying a CQuam transmitter from Sotiris - ASPiSYS (on eBay), or see if Chris Cuff has any of his AlfredoLite transmitters. I'm broadcasting XM (ch 78)over an ASPiSYS C-Quam transmitter right now as a matter of fact, for my house (oh, and maybe the neighbor's too)! John __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Oct 08 22:50:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19609 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2007 05:50:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2007 05:50:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.209) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2007 05:50:10 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2007 05:50:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2007 05:50:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2007 05:50:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 05:50:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.103.124 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Sangean HDT-1X tuner with C-Quam AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=kUNiGIZV6VJnoKX4DGpfwjMk4t8UaJO8lElyMgdA6Gecy-z4Zg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Sangean's latest HD Radio tuner, the HDT-1X, thankfully still retains=20 C-Quam AM Stereo reception, and even includes some improvements over=20 its predecessor, such as extended audio response (now exceeding the=20 "AMAX" spec) and a Stereo indicator on the display for AM Stereo and=20 FM Stereo. Full specs and review: http://www.ham-radio.com/k6sti/hdt-1x.htm From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Oct 09 05:58:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19745 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2007 12:58:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2007 12:58:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2007 12:58:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 76115 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Oct 2007 12:58:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: p0OqnbsVM1mq5GChEn_nZPceVHOtNpJtPISeqNtsxQL8nki4Ygv7FySK6Tos2hJLbPG90oDhfQ99RMuTkG.FlgWHcIM9AJA.XZJE4xPc8CkYcGpMSDYg1d1ECg-- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 05:58:22 PDT Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 05:58:22 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <213218.76103.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: the ideal solution -ASPiSYS transmitter or Alfredo Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=KY10njUcJXK6bi3x9SRUv5YoHS3tUJlrmQVm0GB8-u3tYqQAE64DIik X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hank, To buy a C-Quam AM Stereo transmitter from ASPiSYS, just go to ebay.com, and in the search box, put in the item number, which is: 190160972933 . Cost is 299 Euro, around $389 USD, but he does have a "Make an Offer" option, so you could still get a bargain. If you are a licensed ham you can get the more powerful 'export' transmitter, that is about 4/10 of a watt, vs the 1/10 watt 'part 15' standard unit. Once in a while Chris Cuff puts one of his Alfredo Lite AM Stereo CQuam transmitters on eBay, and those sell in the $100-$150 range - all you need to do is add your own case to most of them. Both are decent performers for your 'around the house' entertainment. Regards, John ____________________________________________________________________________________ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Oct 09 06:00:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 496 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2007 13:00:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2007 13:00:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.160) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2007 13:00:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 65268 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Oct 2007 13:00:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: iC6cU2gVM1n3.VvEYg9u2nKd.pXINhpL44HNouAandJKBVJe.N7DFPsE.2xIXp7.oeo4XBsK97HrCk5VMwlXxZwEg36LHiOSNST8z.D3GyunlSOju4AsBpCIyA-- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 06:00:04 PDT Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 06:00:04 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <101986.64755.qm@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re:Sangean HDT-1X tuner with C-Quam AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=jfbMoQDTM67VHN4hqb-B951IlfxVB_2W4rFlxVTuQljgDhSQGlfH3dI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Kevin wrote: "Sangean's latest HD Radio tuner, the HDT-1X, thankfully still retains C-Quam AM Stereo reception, and even includes some improvements..." Does anybody on the list have one of these? How does it compare to the Delco UX1, the Chrysler 5band EQ AMS, or the ultimate Fanfare FTA-100 AMS tuners? John ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Oct 09 10:18:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49978 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2007 17:18:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2007 17:18:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.182.183) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2007 17:18:52 -0000 Received: from [217.146.182.179] by n6.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2007 17:18:51 -0000 Received: from [87.248.110.17] by t5.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2007 17:18:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2007 17:18:51 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 908339.11826.bm@omp101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 58766 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Oct 2007 17:18:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: h4wxkwwVM1lc7.zIeR.BjobL.VENprgjhzmHvVJo9E7Q0hwUZvHBcbe8emFOI13Jnf53zv53TKJ8AWd0pxVo2NYeOXVMkALwhaJ8OkDStsRMRjryizvraM8- Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 10:18:51 PDT Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 10:18:51 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <599224.55619.qm@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.182.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Can't Confirm if AM ST X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=sjlkY_F3c7dXJkioN86HPeGvr9VDYbAa7CVw_RQEnnLG2h0_aYFd X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I have an Onkyo home theatre receiver which has a "stereo" mode switch to go between stereo or mono on all sourses. Now hte interesting thing is on AM radio u can hit this mode switch and one minute it'll say AM Stereo or AM Mono. There are no AM stereo stations in my area so I can't confirm whether this thing receives it or not but I will say that the AM mono reception and sound is very nice and very clean. It's an Onkyo HT-R530 receiver if anyone wants to investigate. I bought it in 2006. I also have a brand new in the box Onkyo TX-SR703 which is way above the HT-R530 so I don't know its AM properties. I just think its interesting that you can hit that mode switch and go between AM STEREO and MONO but I wish I could confirm whether thats just a mode switch and thats it. It works on all options to go stereo or mono. -Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC From pdmtr@yahoo.com Tue Oct 09 12:40:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86109 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2007 19:40:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2007 19:40:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.124) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2007 19:40:29 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2007 19:40:28 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2007 19:40:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2007 19:40:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:40:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <599224.55619.qm@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.124 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.75.222.88 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: Can't Confirm if AM ST X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=j2FwmPqmYQCjZLqCLtZVy9pgvg-4yvzVNb98Kht5OV0 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 Go at=20 http://www.onkyousa.com/download/own_manuals.cfm?cat=3DReceiver=20 and download the manual of it! i'm sure it will give the info if it=20 is a real AM stereo receiver or not :)=20 Sotiris=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, clemsonbloke =20 wrote: > > I have an Onkyo home theatre receiver which has a > "stereo" mode switch to go between stereo or mono on > all sourses. Now hte interesting thing is on AM radio > u can hit this mode switch and one minute it'll say AM > Stereo or AM Mono. There are no AM stereo stations in > my area so I can't confirm whether this thing receives > it or not but I will say that the AM mono reception > and sound is very nice and very clean. It's an Onkyo > HT-R530 receiver if anyone wants to investigate. I > bought it in 2006. I also have a brand new in the box > Onkyo TX-SR703 which is way above the HT-R530 so I > don't know its AM properties. I just think its > interesting that you can hit that mode switch and go > between AM STEREO and MONO but I wish I could confirm > whether thats just a mode switch and thats it. It > works on all options to go stereo or mono. >=20 > -Kevin >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search=20 > that gives answers, not web links.=20 > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=3D1ONXIC > From pdmtr@yahoo.com Tue Oct 09 13:29:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97022 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2007 20:29:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2007 20:29:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.214) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2007 20:29:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2007 20:29:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2007 20:29:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:29:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <213218.76103.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.75.222.88 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: the ideal solution -ASPiSYS transmitter or Alfredo Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=5WAeE7niiCpvg4ICTpO8H1xaJ2Kbimaxo7dAcBbzr9w X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 Well you can see it at our Ebay store=20 http://stores.ebay.com/ASPiSYS-Ltd=20 or direct at:=20 http://cgi.ebay.com/AM-STEREO-CQUAM-Transmitter-DDS-530-1710Kc-100mW- Part15_W0QQitemZ190160972933=20 The price at the Buy It Now is the standard MSRP one, but we do=20 accept reasonable offers for it. That means anything that it is=20 decent for both parties :)=20 Now about the selling price of our ASMAX-1 CQUAM STEREO Transmitter... We do know that almost 400U$ is a bit high for most people, but we do=20 have the Euro to U$ convertion rate problem, as we are located at=20 GREECE (member state of EU)! What does this mean? We do pay=20 everything we buy at Euros! And while it should cost us less when the=20 rate of Euro to U$ goes up, it isn't!!! I must say that it seems the=20 opposite happens! So when we'd made this device, Euro was 1.21U$ (or=20 1.00U$ was 0.83Euros) and now its up to 1.42U$ (or 1.00U$ is=20 ~0.70Euros) as you can see at XE.com ! So when we were selling it at=20 start for ie. 300U$ that was ~250Euros to our currency! If we sell it=20 today at the same 300U$ we will have 212Euros! But we will pay the=20 same 5 Euros as before some months, for ie. the display of it, or the=20 12Euros for the case with the Keyboard panel of it! So we have set=20 the MSRP at a price that covers the currency rate influencies adn=20 gives "room" for accepting discounts for possible resale dealers on=20 future. But as a rule, our wishing target selling price, is=20 ~230Euros, whatever that amount is converted to other currencies! So=20 any offer goes near that after conversion, will be acceptable from=20 us ;)=20 Hope all that are understanbable :)=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > Hank,=20 > To buy a C-Quam AM Stereo transmitter from ASPiSYS, just go to > ebay.com, and in the search box, put in the item number,=20 > which is: 190160972933 . > Cost is 299 Euro, around $389 USD, but he does have a "Make an=20 Offer" > option, so you could still get a bargain. If you are a licensed ham > you can get the more powerful 'export' transmitter, that is about=20 4/10 > of a watt, vs the 1/10 watt 'part 15' standard unit. >=20 > Once in a while Chris Cuff puts one of his Alfredo Lite AM Stereo=20 CQuam > transmitters on eBay, and those sell in the $100-$150 range - all=20 you > need to do is add your own case to most of them. >=20 > Both are decent performers for your 'around the house'=20 entertainment. >=20 > Regards, > John >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get=20 listings, and more! > http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 > From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Oct 09 18:08:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80190 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2007 01:08:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2007 01:08:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.182.188) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2007 01:08:38 -0000 Received: from [217.146.182.180] by n8.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2007 01:08:38 -0000 Received: from [217.146.182.191] by t6.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2007 01:08:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2007 01:08:38 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 146129.4085.bm@omp105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 13760 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Oct 2007 01:08:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2MIV.IYVM1lXZGsfXMrIu5y.yKBozFc3LatYGt55M2cj6M02.SgBgbrzDaAaPnglUnGMNAOWlfYaofiaehUWSGc3iCEtq7eJMt5.WEMvKqUKN5hccCZZNhWWTECWdHALRh3wIQ0sQw-- Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:08:37 PDT Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 18:08:37 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <921752.12932.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.182.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Can't Confirm if AM ST X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=xHZ20pDokNAULYMJbx-bb-Z9W-w8oERPsMxsrKdxNEwiL4m0mLP- X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Thats just it, it doesnt. I need to take a photo somehow of the display to explain what i'm talking about. Makes no sense. --- Sotiris wrote: > Hi > Go at > http://www.onkyousa.com/download/own_manuals.cfm?cat=Receiver > > and download the manual of it! i'm sure it will give > the info if it > is a real AM stereo receiver or not :) > Sotiris > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, clemsonbloke > > wrote: > > > > I have an Onkyo home theatre receiver which has a > > "stereo" mode switch to go between stereo or mono > on > > all sourses. Now hte interesting thing is on AM > radio > > u can hit this mode switch and one minute it'll > say AM > > Stereo or AM Mono. There are no AM stereo > stations in > > my area so I can't confirm whether this thing > receives > > it or not but I will say that the AM mono > reception > > and sound is very nice and very clean. It's an > Onkyo > > HT-R530 receiver if anyone wants to investigate. > I > > bought it in 2006. I also have a brand new in the > box > > Onkyo TX-SR703 which is way above the HT-R530 so I > > don't know its AM properties. I just think its > > interesting that you can hit that mode switch and > go > > between AM STEREO and MONO but I wish I could > confirm > > whether thats just a mode switch and thats it. It > > works on all options to go stereo or mono. > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > > that gives answers, not web links. > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Oct 09 22:09:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37487 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2007 05:09:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2007 05:09:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.220) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2007 05:09:46 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2007 05:09:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2007 05:09:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 05:09:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <921752.12932.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.239.246.64 From: "Kevin T." Subject: {AMSF} Re: Can't Confirm if AM ST X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=-B4Fl_cd7ME_1cSZGrBn5ZD9vnByhOZoGDkGC5f461rtTRjpnw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Thats just it, it doesnt. I need to take a photo > somehow of the display to explain what i'm talking > about. Makes no sense. Neither does my Realistic receiver from the early '80s, whose "IMX Stereo Expander" can be used even on its mono AM tuner. All the "stereo expander" really does is boost the L-R stereo difference channel, which doesn't exist on a completely mono audio source, so there is no audible difference with it on or off. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Oct 10 01:55:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26185 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2007 08:54:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2007 08:54:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.110) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2007 08:54:58 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n12.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2007 08:53:09 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2007 08:53:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2007 08:53:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:53:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.35 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: hd am for part 15 stations? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=s2H6_1bBlOlE1NXoyP06E4-bp0W-47wToDER6MJFPz7QmYYOpQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Juan Gualda" wrote: > >=20 > I think the digital signal has to be down 10db, and that would mean=20 > approx 10%. If I remember correctly every 3 db down is one half the=20 > power so a 1000 watt station would be 500 watts down 3db, 250 watts=20 > down 6 db, and 125 watts down 9 db, so what is 10db? I am not sure,=20 > but Tom Ray will know..... >=20 >=20 > Juan > Hi Juan!!! -10 dB, related to a 1000 Watts RF power, is 100 Watts. So simple. The mathematical equation is: Final RF Power =3D Original RF power * 10^(dB/10) So: 0 dB =3D 1000 Wts * 10^(0/10) =3D 1000 Wts -3 dB =3D 1000 Wts * 10^(-3/10) =3D 501.1872... Wts -6 dB =3D 1000 Wts * 10^(-6/10) =3D 251.1886... Wts -9 dB =3D 1000 Wts * 10^(-9/10) =3D 125.8925... Wts -10 dB =3D 1000 Wts * 10^(-10/10) =3D 100 Wts -12 dB =3D 1000 Wts * 10^(-12/10) =3D 63.0957... Wts -15 dB =3D 1000 Wts * 10^(-15/10) =3D 31.6227... Wts -20 dB =3D 1000 Wts * 10^(-20/10) =3D 10 Wts I understand the HD signal must be -20 dB below the 100% of analog=20 modulation; so a 1000 Wts AM TX transmits only 10 Wts of HD subcarriers. I'm not sure if 10 Wts could be enough to reach the "normal" 1000 Wts=20 analog coverage area. ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Oct 10 05:38:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33139 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2007 12:38:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2007 12:38:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.162) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2007 12:38:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 93483 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Oct 2007 12:38:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0SpeD8QVM1mi5VkFNwt6vadd1rde_WbiRfNR0MKy4jozM1x50Iht080tzWhHmIjd5dNv9tQFkLIdwgN9jKKn41CWrQi5cMI8UXsQ5KHRfwqUocwpCLEf29NV_Q-- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 05:38:33 PDT Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 05:38:33 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <854235.93442.qm@web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: hd am for part 15 stations? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=-yEGr3otw3C3ap7_wQhlaif5begime2ETfk_gxXV89nGinCsj8cNaX8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Juan asked: "I'm not sure if 10 Wts could be enough to reach the "normal" 1000 Wts analog coverage area. ???" Juan, I am very surprised to say that the answer is yes - IF you have a single tower, ND. Our local 1KW graveyard station has a robust digital signal when you orient the loop antenna properly, and they have a 7.25 Watt digital component. HOWEVER, that little 7 watts makes a LOT of noise 20KHz above and below the station! The ironic thing is that the 1KW stations might be the only stations running IBOC and NOT the 50KW stations! John ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Oct 10 07:29:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46055 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2007 14:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2007 14:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.30) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2007 14:29:27 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2007 14:28:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2007 14:28:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:28:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <101986.64755.qm@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.183.12.58 From: "narkspud" Subject: Re:Sangean HDT-1X tuner with C-Quam AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=tYCmIfFQEOGrUBQZmxIFRPVpkgkUp2_YjmmzvoA4X0r-vmQ X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud I have an HDT-1 with the latest firmware, which has AM performance said to = be identical=20 to the HDT-1X.=20=20 I would not recommend this radio for analog AM listening. It does not foll= ow the NRSC=20 deemphasis curve, and has a very annoying, shrill sound. it also has some = sort of=20 automatic bandwidth adjustment that tends to change the frequency response = every few=20 seconds on some stations. It can't be defeated. Drives me bananas. It's an excellent HD tuner, and the FM is amazingly sensitive, but for anal= og AM, stay away.=20=20 All the radios you mentioned sound MUCH better. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > Kevin wrote: "Sangean's latest HD Radio tuner, the HDT-1X, thankfully > still retains C-Quam AM Stereo reception, and even includes some > improvements..." >=20 > Does anybody on the list have one of these? How does it compare to the > Delco UX1, the Chrysler 5band EQ AMS, or the ultimate Fanfare FTA-100 > AMS tuners? >=20=20 > John >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 ___________________________________________________________________________= _________ > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! = http:// surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=3D7 > From mtgc@hotmail.com Wed Oct 10 09:37:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64308 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2007 16:37:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2007 16:37:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s28.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.100) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2007 16:37:18 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.19.32]) by bay0-omc1-s28.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:37:06 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:37:06 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.19.200 by by109fd.bay109.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:37:01 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <708290.79236.qm@web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:37:01 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2007 16:37:06.0027 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB44C3B0:01C80B5B] Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" Subject: Car Radio Information Request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=4CxTDv5utxIXDZ4rZii8pgsGytcNsmjGMxX8azXyX61GJ3fNxha4 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 I need some information concerning car radio. More specifically, I have a 1986 Pontiac Fiero with the factory AM Cquam stereo installed. It works very well, but I am interested in changing it out, if I can find a suitable replacement. Here is my wish list: 1. Must decode AM Cquam 2. Has an AM HD tuner 3. Has an FM HD tuner 4. Will play CD's Do any of you know if such a unit exists, and if so, where I might find such a unit? Thanks for your help, MTGC (Michael) From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Oct 10 10:35:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37635 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2007 17:35:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2007 17:35:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.229) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2007 17:35:31 -0000 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 69so168901wri for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:35:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.48.14 with SMTP id v14mr283986wfv.1192037731094; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:35:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [98.16.142.11]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i20sm2639589wxd.2007.10.10.10.35.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:35:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <470D0D60.8060000@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:35:28 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Car Radio Information Request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=jSCko4d9fCZ2h1r87wLjjA_OGrqL4yHEATu7J5URMKGe_02SRhxEmHKyOF2lvQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > 1. Must decode AM Cquam > 2. Has an AM HD tuner > 3. Has an FM HD tuner > 4. Will play CD's > > Do any of you know if such a unit exists, and if so, where I might find such a unit? Vistion prototyped just the unit you want: AM-C-QUAM, AM-FM HD, and 6 CD Changer. WOR Radio was testing it, but I am not sure when if ever it will go into production. Kevin in MO From pdmtr@yahoo.com Wed Oct 10 14:32:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12223 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2007 21:32:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2007 21:32:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.215) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2007 21:32:08 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2007 21:31:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2007 21:31:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2007 21:31:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:31:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.74.242.35 From: "Sotiris" Subject: A Software Defined Radio with CQUAM & DRM !!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=8fR9jISAgT4M0JqbHBWjKAFNITC-q0or-OJrIbbEibo X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi to all!=20 As I was searching for CQUAM items on internet I stopped over the=20 following message on an board:=20 "Re: [soft_radio] MULTIDEM 1.0 (USB/LSB/AM demodulator for=20 direct ...P.S. I found out the one can have software do "AM=20 Synchronous" also as well as "C Quam AM", and this is in the CIAO=20 Radio 1.35 software. ..." www.mail-archive.com/soft_radio@yahoogroups.com/msg01226.html Searched a bit for that radio and found out that its an Italian made=20 SDR unit named "CIAO Radio H101"=20 Take a look at it on the following links:=20 http://www.comsistel.com/Ciao%20Radio.htm=20 http://www.brunero.it/drm/ciaoradio/index.html=20 A DIGITAL radio with AM, USB, LSB, DRM and CQUAM!!!=20 Now I'll try to get one to check it, even if I have to fly over at=20 Italy!=20 Sotiris=20 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Oct 11 07:59:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84409 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2007 14:59:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2007 14:59:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2007 14:59:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 26302 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Oct 2007 14:59:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: RdvsJ_QVM1m5WiHJe4t8HRy1pscKYPPA3ygCCwzC1h.m9Z8fPaYZUYpYcuSGc_94tw-- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:59:02 PDT Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:59:02 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <712950.25826.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: Car Radio Information Request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=ZMjt_rpbw1pBakJCH0dWu9V9lsCqi6braidFHHdHVUW59oOUq2T4nZc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Possum was right about the Visteon, but I've heard that there are even TWO VERSIONS - one without CQUAM, so beware. Your best bet is to LEAVE the CQuam radio in the Fiero and add a 'add-on' HD tuner unit. However, the Directed Electronics add-on HD tuner unit I have is only worthwhile for LOCAL HD-FM, and LOCAL HD-AM and that's about it. It gets very hot, the AGC is horrible (autoBW too), the RCA output is distorted the first 5 minutes you use it, the FM modulator is off frequency on HD-AM audio, but the display is nice. I believe that Visteon is also making a plugnplay HD radio like the XM SkyFi radio that you can drop into a cradle - maybe that would be the best to try? John ____________________________________________________________________________________ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Oct 11 17:32:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60176 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2007 00:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2007 00:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2007 00:32:22 -0000 Received: from [64.131.53.146] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071011193159102973600004> for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 19:31:59 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <011d01c80c68$9d79dac0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <912266.76263.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 19:31:59 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} hd am for part 15 stations? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=RD9hmLjm9QOtPbkgVhQMr4eyUpVyJzbW63sjUEVI1a-atrlDV7f6 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think AM is actually higher than that- by about 3db, IIRC. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > That seems wrong. I know that FM HD is 1/100 of the > analog power. > What is AM? It can't be full power; considering that > it isn't, I > think it works remarkably well. 1% for both. Recent Activity a.. 1New Members Visit Your Group Best of Y! Groups Discover groups that are the best of their class. Sitebuilder Build a web site quickly & easily with Sitebuilder. Summer Shape-up on Yahoo! Groups Trade weight loss and swimsuit tips. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Oct 12 06:01:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72547 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2007 13:01:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2007 13:01:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2007 13:01:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 6233 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2007 13:01:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Vi5Mp5YVM1ngLyI6ABpnGVNJNLIoD1kE2k_NB5ixcUthE5wN0Ytq3P5NdytwGOsJayAhNQQc4LPjSI64ihw3IiLiF1A6RM1uvywAcy73vWlr9is3vnzQCacJlQ-- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:01:36 PDT Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:01:36 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <118076.6133.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: HD Digital Component of Analog Signal X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=Q0ZVg5jFARx509LKPA3VGKM1loOiHzuMKxml1C1gT3cAXNlSFeMJJ5w X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio My local CE indicated he has just under 50 watts of digital for his 5KW AM HD and 7.25 watts of digital component for his 1KW AM station. So, digital would seem to be 1% or less of the total power output. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 12 13:06:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21814 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2007 20:06:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2007 20:06:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp115.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.88) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2007 20:06:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 37578 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2007 20:06:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO z4x8l4) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.19.158.217 with login) by smtp115.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2007 20:06:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7nE8GM8VM1n8FsSuxUYASaV_L59KSb915S1bDWSe23gzSOzXARlu0OMM.HezKdN24qE5boVicQ-- Message-ID: <000801c80d0b$9ddd8180$20a4fea9@z4x8l4> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "Jim Smith" Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:08:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: I have noticed some thing. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=2715Ik7Vbl2M_L2lxs_o2H1cYFLxhjNR4oTq7Cs3lKjANqCS-hEQktvBUgOZau6JZMexcFa- X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I have noticed something lately. Most of AM and FM HD stations are off and they are not pushing it any more ether. Talk to you soon. Jim S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Oct 12 13:34:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45261 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2007 20:34:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2007 20:34:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.161) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2007 20:34:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 57567 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2007 20:34:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: JoWtnokVM1kkc82HckGF6Xcf0_77bE8VeNQcSv6wO24gTUam5ghvCgSRjrYHf0_08g8_U0V64w-- Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:34:00 PDT Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:34:00 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000801c80d0b$9ddd8180$20a4fea9@z4x8l4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <10074.57127.qm@web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have noticed some thing. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=PrU4s02V3DeQ5BWqbx6WfeBk0PapIkuLGcGiYawJblQ X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hi Gang I have noticed something lately. Most of > AM and FM HD stations are off and they are not > pushing it any more ether. Talk to you soon. Jim S. Ah, NO. Citadel ABC turned of their HD at night. I don't know of any FM's off except for failures. I wish WSPA-FM would run a HD2 of Beautiful Music. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 12 14:46:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4554 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2007 21:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2007 21:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.235) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2007 21:46:01 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n24.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2007 21:46:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2007 21:46:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2007 21:46:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:45:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <10074.57127.qm@web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.235 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.32.75.111 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: I have noticed some thing. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=niTpkPRAr-rUBLhj3qDF4uDOmWz4KRJTwUuZht7aZZ42xnGY2OeGAwewK3nZwBkBGhkiLu59 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > --- jimsmith95663@... wrote: >=20 > > Hi Gang I have noticed something lately. Most of > > AM and FM HD stations are off and they are not > > pushing it any more ether. Talk to you soon. Jim S. >=20 > Ah, NO. Citadel ABC turned of their HD at night. I > don't know of any FM's off except for failures.=20 >=20 > I wish WSPA-FM would run a HD2 of Beautiful Music. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 Hi Powell Well thats what is happening here in the Sacramento area.=20 It messes up FM analog also I can tell when HD is off or on. You=20 know the old saying don't fix some thing thats not broken!!! Jim S. From robert.w.welch@att.net Fri Oct 12 17:08:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80541 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2007 00:08:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2007 00:08:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.133) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2007 00:08:38 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2007 00:08:38 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2007 00:08:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2007 00:08:38 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:08:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <10074.57127.qm@web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.19.95.58 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: I have noticed some thing. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=CE57BXeW7Wy9eei-oaW2Z8386R95ESQhshw9n6EkXOzfMtyeh_Qn X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 I hear the CBS stations actually legalling as if it were a simulcast. example "WBZ.. WBZ-HD Boston" Bob at WDEV AM&FM From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Oct 12 17:35:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30497 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2007 00:35:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2007 00:35:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.253) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2007 00:35:56 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n30.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2007 00:35:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2007 00:35:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2007 00:35:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:35:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.253 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.192.186.246 From: "wlx1430" Subject: Schematic for Alfredo-Lite? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=45EyRFQCy5U-e4SlK360Col5_DZDOHyF8hz77d7pK5zraQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 High gang,=20 Anybody have a schematic for the Alfredo Lite? I want to process L+R and L= -R seperately,=20 (ala Optimod 9100) and need to bring loop-jacks out from the matrix. I googled "alfredo lite", but the schematic was too small to see pin number= s on the chips. ThanX! George From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 12 18:55:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49817 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2007 01:55:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2007 01:55:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.113) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2007 01:55:19 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2007 01:55:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2007 01:55:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2007 01:55:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 01:55:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.19.156.3 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: I have noticed some thing. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=ddnoBiGTsh74dKGmmJCxGd2z6_VxjcEYTm13ywOCSj8OyR7NG3Cz2FUJjJyIjDMyqiOzjEKH X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Welch" =20 wrote: > > I hear the CBS stations actually legalling as if it were a simulcast. >=20 > example "WBZ.. WBZ-HD Boston" >=20 > Bob at WDEV AM&FM > Hi Bob HMMM... Sounds just like WNMB 900 AM mono WNMB 900 AM STEREO=20 but with better audio ( by reports) than HD AM and lesser noise on the=20 AM band. I have been listening to my locals all day and I have not herd=20 one plug AM or FM HD. Jim S. From robert.w.welch@att.net Fri Oct 12 19:47:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73464 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2007 02:47:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2007 02:47:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.124) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2007 02:47:03 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2007 02:47:03 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2007 02:47:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2007 02:47:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 02:47:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.124 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.19.95.58 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: I have noticed some thing. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=FMNS_6QQ3BqR-NY0R3UXzZiZXWpT8xxwBh6j7YghaURABYfNBaiC X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Jim, That said... I see the digital blue light on my Radi-osophy HD100=20 flashing from time to time in the WDEV building... while tuned to WDEV=20 550. WDEV 550 does not broadcast in HD so... it might be WGR Buffalo.=20=20 I'm wondering if anyone in the Buffalo area monitors this list and can=20 say whether WGR is in fact broadcasting HD... as they are on the same=20 freq. I'm not hearing any noise really but, my digital indicator light=20 is flashing... not all the time.. but periodically. I noticed that while at my digs in Barre at the digital light was=20 flashing while listening to CJAD 800 Montreal. Of course, our Canadian=20 friends aren't allowed to broadcast using that format. Bob From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 12 20:05:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41445 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2007 03:04:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2007 03:04:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.237) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2007 03:04:59 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n25.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2007 03:04:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2007 03:04:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2007 03:04:59 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 03:04:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.26.53.162 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: I have noticed some thing. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=pSv42SQdpThBlT_guRVj7oac6eYXy5j4D2UrhadN-q9NRjrX6K88cssdOpod8_vWz6MQ74uU X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Welch"=20 wrote: > > Jim, >=20 > That said... I see the digital blue light on my Radi-osophy HD100=20 > flashing from time to time in the WDEV building... while tuned to=20 WDEV=20 > 550. WDEV 550 does not broadcast in HD so... it might be WGR=20 Buffalo.=20=20 > I'm wondering if anyone in the Buffalo area monitors this list and=20 can=20 > say whether WGR is in fact broadcasting HD... as they are on the=20 same=20 > freq. I'm not hearing any noise really but, my digital indicator=20 light=20 > is flashing... not all the time.. but periodically. >=20 > I noticed that while at my digs in Barre at the digital light was=20 > flashing while listening to CJAD 800 Montreal. Of course, our=20 Canadian=20 > friends aren't allowed to broadcast using that format. >=20 > Bob > Hi Bob I just looked on HD list on there site and did not see WGR AM=20 550. So how dose the HD 100 sound? Is it better than a web streem on=20 AM. That's what I had herd from some other folks here on the list.=20 If it dose sound like a web streem than I will not be buying any HD=20 radio's. AM STEREO blow's web streems right out of the water. Jim S. From robert.w.welch@att.net Fri Oct 12 22:01:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83339 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2007 05:01:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2007 05:01:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.130) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2007 05:01:57 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2007 05:01:56 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2007 05:01:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2007 05:01:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 05:01:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.19.95.58 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: I have noticed some thing. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=Wy1wRaYTvc81l50Sy-tR5oThM1wlJYA1jxqOnpanscXHwHrFCiFu X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Jim, If I'm able to pick up the actual HD air product and can hear it on=20 this model I'll let you know what I think of the audio.=20=20 From what I could hear on the Kenwood bootbox HD tuner in the=20 vehicle... it sounds as if something is restricted somehow when the=20 radio picks up the HD signal as compared to its AM counterpart. Of=20 course, I think that about FM. Plus, I know WDEV isn't likely to=20 adopt this... our GM doesn't like FM stereo... not let alone AM=20 stereo. I'm just trying the open-mind thing while critiquing this HD thing.=20=20 I remember powering up an AM Stereo TM-152 from Realistic... It was=20 optimised for CJAD by the CJAD engineer who now is retired to=20 Arizona... I think. I forget his name. But, I'll agree... It was=20 the most wonderful thing my ears ever witnessed... that AM Stereo. Bob --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Welch"=20 > wrote: > > > > Jim, > >=20 > > That said... I see the digital blue light on my Radi-osophy HD100=20 > > flashing from time to time in the WDEV building... while tuned to=20 > WDEV=20 > > 550. WDEV 550 does not broadcast in HD so... it might be WGR=20 > Buffalo.=20=20 > > I'm wondering if anyone in the Buffalo area monitors this list=20 and=20 > can=20 > > say whether WGR is in fact broadcasting HD... as they are on the=20 > same=20 > > freq. I'm not hearing any noise really but, my digital indicator=20 > light=20 > > is flashing... not all the time.. but periodically. > >=20 > > I noticed that while at my digs in Barre at the digital light was=20 > > flashing while listening to CJAD 800 Montreal. Of course, our=20 > Canadian=20 > > friends aren't allowed to broadcast using that format. > >=20 > > Bob > > > Hi Bob I just looked on HD list on there site and did not see WGR=20 AM=20 > 550. So how dose the HD 100 sound? Is it better than a web streem=20 on=20 > AM. That's what I had herd from some other folks here on the list.=20 > If it dose sound like a web streem than I will not be buying any=20=20 HD=20 > radio's. AM STEREO blow's web streems right out of the water. Jim=20 S. > From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 13 00:13:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87245 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2007 07:13:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2007 07:13:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2007 07:13:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2007 07:13:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2007 07:13:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 07:13:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.146.79 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: I have noticed some thing. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=AUaBtOK4uMhmJRLo8hQovP_MOFytk6LFSWEfmjrj7_14q-hH4zs-ynuDDiXbbzJ7iy6LrgbG X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Welch"=20 wrote: > > Jim, >=20 > If I'm able to pick up the actual HD air product and can hear it on=20 > this model I'll let you know what I think of the audio.=20=20 >=20 > From what I could hear on the Kenwood bootbox HD tuner in the=20 > vehicle... it sounds as if something is restricted somehow when the=20 > radio picks up the HD signal as compared to its AM counterpart. Of=20 > course, I think that about FM. Plus, I know WDEV isn't likely to=20 > adopt this... our GM doesn't like FM stereo... not let alone AM=20 > stereo. >=20 > I'm just trying the open-mind thing while critiquing this HD=20 thing.=20=20 > I remember powering up an AM Stereo TM-152 from Realistic... It was=20 > optimised for CJAD by the CJAD engineer who now is retired to=20 > Arizona... I think. I forget his name. But, I'll agree... It was=20 > the most wonderful thing my ears ever witnessed... that AM Stereo. >=20 > Bob >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" =20 > wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Welch"=20 > > wrote: > > > > > > Jim, > > >=20 > > > That said... I see the digital blue light on my Radi-osophy=20 HD100=20 > > > flashing from time to time in the WDEV building... while tuned=20 to=20 > > WDEV=20 > > > 550. WDEV 550 does not broadcast in HD so... it might be WGR=20 > > Buffalo.=20=20 > > > I'm wondering if anyone in the Buffalo area monitors this list=20 > and=20 > > can=20 > > > say whether WGR is in fact broadcasting HD... as they are on=20 the=20 > > same=20 > > > freq. I'm not hearing any noise really but, my digital=20 indicator=20 > > light=20 > > > is flashing... not all the time.. but periodically. > > >=20 > > > I noticed that while at my digs in Barre at the digital light=20 was=20 > > > flashing while listening to CJAD 800 Montreal. Of course, our=20 > > Canadian=20 > > > friends aren't allowed to broadcast using that format. > > >=20 > > > Bob > > > > > Hi Bob I just looked on HD list on there site and did not see=20 WGR=20 > AM=20 > > 550. So how dose the HD 100 sound? Is it better than a web=20 streem=20 > on=20 > > AM. That's what I had herd from some other folks here on the=20 list.=20 > > If it dose sound like a web streem than I will not be buying any=20=20 > HD=20 > > radio's. AM STEREO blow's web streems right out of the water.=20 Jim=20 > S. > > > Hi Bob The way I feal about analog audio is that I like it very=20 much. To me records and tapes sound alot better then CD's. CD's are=20 alot more quiter than tapes and records but thay don't have the "HI- FI" sound because of CD's don't have the full analog wave. Yes my=20 first AM STEREO was also the Realistic TM 152 and at the time with=20 the wider audio it sounded great. The first time I herd it I said " I=20 like it". I am still kind of scepitcal of digital radio because that=20 it dose not pass a full analog sound wave and it make to damed nuch=20 noise on AM and FM. Jim S. From narkspud@hotmail.com Sat Oct 13 07:37:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21921 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2007 14:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2007 14:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.234) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2007 14:37:45 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n24.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2007 14:37:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2007 14:37:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2007 14:37:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 14:37:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.183.12.58 From: "narkspud" Subject: Re: I have noticed some thing. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=PtvYvw4SebCJ1gq8GfIrX1DeEPW_A1nkJIraThJp0wpoPMU X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > So how dose the HD 100 sound? Is it better than a web streem on=20 > AM. That's what I had herd from some other folks here on the list.=20 > If it dose sound like a web streem than I will not be buying any HD=20 > radio's.=20 > Jim - all HD AM sounds like a web stream, because that's essentially what i= t is - a low-bitrate=20 digital webstream, only delivered over the airwaves instead of the web. Yes, we get that you dislike digital and won't be buying an HD radio. No n= eed to keep=20 repeating yourself. From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Oct 13 08:17:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92890 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2007 15:17:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2007 15:17:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2007 15:17:45 -0000 Received: from [64.131.21.95] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071013101714103204500004> for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 10:17:14 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005601c80dad$748d9c00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 10:17:14 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: I have noticed some thing. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=-OWiat_b5zaO39EygeTd5TzOCr7fmr82QkQQV1075vy9rkkkaV0O X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Spent the middle of the week at the Madison Broadcasters Clinic and heard a fantastic coding scheme that will likely be used with DRE (digital SCA) for radio reading services. Don't know what it would sound like with music, but voice sounded very acceptable- good enough that an AM station could multicast two separate talk programs given the low bit rate! Alas, Ibiquity has a less efficient compression scheme. It wasn't as clear as a 24kbps stream, but even at 10kbps it wasn't more than slightly degraded and they were using a pretty good sound system. BTW, WRPQ 740 Baraboo is still AM stereo. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: narkspud Jim - all HD AM sounds like a web stream, because that's essentially what it is - a low-bitrate digital webstream, only delivered over the airwaves instead of the web. Recent Activity a.. 2New Members Visit Your Group Sell Online Start selling with our award-winning e-commerce tools. Moderator Central Get answers to your questions about running Y! Groups. Best of Y! 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=L-s3Je6ntcv6AdaZhcK39HjJ8BfoCLfLg1JPawuR13WscVJobGpL X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke To make any of those digital streams sound anything close to FM Stereo the stream really needs to be 128+Kbps. Yes 96 Kbps can be decent but on highs and trasients it craps out. 128, prefereably 192 is much better. Still in comparision while 128 may sound acceptable to our ears a CD is still 1142 kbps! I'm with yall on Analog though, to me it does simply sound better. For me sometimes CD's are too "perfect", you sorta need a little hiss ! :o) Have a good one! -Kevin --- scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > Spent the middle of the week at the Madison > Broadcasters Clinic and heard a fantastic coding > scheme that will likely be used with DRE (digital > SCA) for radio reading services. Don't know what it > would sound like with music, but voice sounded very > acceptable- good enough that an AM station could > multicast two separate talk programs given the low > bit rate! Alas, Ibiquity has a less efficient > compression scheme. It wasn't as clear as a 24kbps > stream, but even at 10kbps it wasn't more than > slightly degraded and they were using a pretty good > sound system. > > BTW, WRPQ 740 Baraboo is still AM stereo. > > Scott Todd > ----- Original Message ----- > From: narkspud > > > Jim - all HD AM sounds like a web stream, because > that's essentially what it is - a low-bitrate > digital webstream, only delivered over the > airwaves instead of the web. > > > Recent Activity > a.. 2New Members > Visit Your Group > Sell Online > Start selling with > > our award-winning > > e-commerce tools. > > Moderator Central > Get answers to > > your questions about > > running Y! Groups. > > Best of Y! 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Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From narkspud@hotmail.com Sat Oct 13 13:11:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73221 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2007 20:11:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2007 20:11:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.109) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2007 20:11:13 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n12.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2007 20:11:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2007 20:11:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2007 20:11:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:11:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <722535.58367.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.109 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.183.12.58 From: "narkspud" Subject: {AMSF} Re: I have noticed some thing. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=RhISw1kii_uDQbM_k3c8FjCejrPJthw7bemXMpmiuFBOjkM X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Not so, sir, and you obviously have not heard HD FM in action at full bitra= te. What you say=20 is true of mp3, but that's an old and inefficient codec. You have to go to= at least 192 kbps=20 MP3 to match the sound of 96 kbps HD. That's not Ibiquity talking (my hatr= ed of those=20 weasels is well-documented). That's me, my picky ears, and my Sangean HDT-= 1. Artifacts=20 are there, but you'll need a fantastic pair of headphones and a dead-silent= room to have=20 any hope of hearing them, even if you're straining to listen for them. I s= peak from first- hand experience. Analog FM does have some problems of its own, y'know . . . a higher noise f= loor, more=20 distortion, a rolled-off high end, and multipath. Those are the problems t= hat go away,=20 completely, with HD FM, and the reason that HD FM can sound dramaticaly bet= ter than=20 analog. In fact, highs and transients are one of the most obvious ways tha= t HD FM (at 96=20 kbps) trounces its analog counterpart. The problem with HD-FM happens when you split the available total bitrate b= etween two=20 or more streams. Then you have artifacts - the high end goes all fuzzy and= shrill on you -=20 and you start wishing your HDT-1 had a forced-analog mode. I'll repeat my request . . . that we try and have an intelligent discussion= on HD radio rather=20 than parroting the line that "it sucks utterly and must be destroyed." It = does NOT suck=20 utterly. (It only sucks on AM, multiple streams, co-channels, adjacent cha= nnels, and lower=20 power levels.) If you have not HEARD it, you have no right to grouse about= how it sounds! CD mastering is a whole 'nother topic, but I'll just say, don't blame the m= edium for the=20 incompetence of those who master for it. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, clemsonbloke wrote= : > > To make any of those digital streams sound anything > close to FM Stereo the stream really needs to be > 128+Kbps. Yes 96 Kbps can be decent but on highs and > trasients it craps out. 128, prefereably 192 is much > better. Still in comparision while 128 may sound > acceptable to our ears a CD is still 1142 kbps! I'm > with yall on Analog though, to me it does simply sound > better. For me sometimes CD's are too "perfect", you > sorta need a little hiss ! :o) Have a good one! >=20 > -Kevin >=20 >=20 From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Oct 13 13:46:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6174 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2007 20:46:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2007 20:46:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.182.189) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2007 20:46:57 -0000 Received: from [217.146.182.179] by n9.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2007 20:46:57 -0000 Received: from [217.146.182.192] by t5.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2007 20:46:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2007 20:46:57 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 12910.2458.bm@omp106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 85150 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2007 20:46:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .hhWSJUVM1lXWVy6qpahGzd_TJFD7tWzN4LzfbLcZSbfhWQYjCGq5ZYjz.Gbh98a2nAKRdAGWy818Gr.4NgZy7fTd5Emagpd5RwK0_s.oCVbCWQlP_Qb_38- Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:46:56 PDT Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:46:56 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <769477.84872.qm@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.182.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: I have noticed some thing. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=k8kIohhN0LehwSt9SSTwNY1YPA0Uhn4yy6W63RiICgy1MKyIxi4N X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Well all I know is that when you play anything that has compression technology through a good system you can tell the difference. MP3's usually sound like crap because the speakers and amp can reveal more than headphones or a table radio. This is why I like good analog done correctly. To me it sounds better. Theres a couple of FM Stations here that sound really great. One is WEPR 90.1 and is the NPR station. I get it in crystal clear stereo with no noise or anything. My XM doesnt sounds nowhere near as good as that FM station. Another good FM station here and I say good as in the quality of sound is WFBC 93.7 FM. I get both those stations in excellent sound quality on a regular analog tuner and neither are the least bit noisy. From the things I read I don't see HD going anywhere in my area for the time being. Theres some stations that broadcast in it but it's dumb for them to do so when the only radio you can purcahse around here is that radio shack thing. That radio with only two measley small speakers is hardly any match for a good analog tuner, amp, and speakers tuned to a great FM station. It just cannot compare. The Radio Shack HD radio is the only one sold in this area to my knowledge and it doesnt sell that well. In fact I think only one radio shack here carries it. My local one certainly doesn't. The mistake they made with HD was rushing it out when they didn't have their kinks worked out nor a market flooded with new radios to purchase. The general public thinks HD is on the transmitting end. These stations continually boast "We're in HD SOUND!" haha and theres no radios around here to purchase, wow thats something. Most people think that the station done something. I haven't heard anyone other than us radio geeks talking about HD radio. I think its a day late and a dollar short honestly. Kids these days are getting their music offline and putting it on MP3's. I recently went back to college for a second degree. I've asked kids, looked around, none of them listen to radio. They all walk arond with ipods. Now that isn't how i'd like to see things turn out but THAT is the reality of it. Creativity and local programming is what will save radio, not HD. That is why so many people bought into XM and Sirius, they have selection and not an hour full of commercials and boring talent or should I say no talent DJ's. I personally think XM has started to fall down on the job though because I notice more and more commercials on their service. I can't speak for Sirius, I dont have it. I will say that there are some decent internet radio stations. I'm not talking about normal stations that stream their signal. I'm talking about commerical free internet radio that is free. I log into some on itunes that are 128 and 192 kbps and sound pretty good. Of course I have a 7.1 channel High Definition audio card in my computer that has digital outputs. I run a digital cable from the output to the input on my home theatre receiver's digital inputs and get great quality. You do need a high speed internect connection of course but now those stations that i'm getting are excellent. THAT is most likely the future of radio honestly, the internet. We're becoming a more and more connected world literally. As time goes on you'll see more and more integration of entertainment and computers. Now as far as audio quality what I find is that even many CD's are recorded with a signal way too high or the high end too hot. Anytime I have something like that which sounds terrible i'll run it through Adobe Audtion and edit it and clean it up and reduce some of those levels. That is the one thing I cant stand, high frequency that is overly emphasized, its painful to the ears! Anyway enough soap box. The future of radio looks to eventually be in internet radio technologically speaking. I hate to say it but the analog days are fastly becoming a thing of the past. Right now Radio needs to be concerned more with programming, a local prescence, and talent than HD. -Kevin --- narkspud wrote: > Not so, sir, and you obviously have not heard HD FM > in action at full bitrate. What you say > is true of mp3, but that's an old and inefficient > codec. You have to go to at least 192 kbps > MP3 to match the sound of 96 kbps HD. That's not > Ibiquity talking (my hatred of those > weasels is well-documented). That's me, my picky > ears, and my Sangean HDT-1. Artifacts > are there, but you'll need a fantastic pair of > headphones and a dead-silent room to have > any hope of hearing them, even if you're straining > to listen for them. I speak from first- > hand experience. > > Analog FM does have some problems of its own, y'know > . . . a higher noise floor, more > distortion, a rolled-off high end, and multipath. > Those are the problems that go away, > completely, with HD FM, and the reason that HD FM > can sound dramaticaly better than > analog. In fact, highs and transients are one of > the most obvious ways that HD FM (at 96 > kbps) trounces its analog counterpart. > > The problem with HD-FM happens when you split the > available total bitrate between two > or more streams. Then you have artifacts - the high > end goes all fuzzy and shrill on you - > and you start wishing your HDT-1 had a forced-analog > mode. > > I'll repeat my request . . . that we try and have an > intelligent discussion on HD radio rather > than parroting the line that "it sucks utterly and > must be destroyed." It does NOT suck > utterly. (It only sucks on AM, multiple streams, > co-channels, adjacent channels, and lower > power levels.) If you have not HEARD it, you have > no right to grouse about how it sounds! > > CD mastering is a whole 'nother topic, but I'll just > say, don't blame the medium for the > incompetence of those who master for it. > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, clemsonbloke > wrote: > > > > To make any of those digital streams sound > anything > > close to FM Stereo the stream really needs to be > > 128+Kbps. Yes 96 Kbps can be decent but on highs > and > > trasients it craps out. 128, prefereably 192 is > much > > better. Still in comparision while 128 may sound > > acceptable to our ears a CD is still 1142 kbps! > I'm > > with yall on Analog though, to me it does simply > sound > > better. For me sometimes CD's are too "perfect", > you > > sorta need a little hiss ! :o) Have a good one! > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From ke7ief@aol.com Sat Oct 13 15:09:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20111 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2007 22:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2007 22:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2007 22:09:18 -0000 Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c44.2125a18c (49383) for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hank320a6cca48 (75-165-47-14.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.47.14]) by ciaaol-d06.mail.aol.com (v119.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD065-c0e7471141fd32d; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:09:03 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c80de5$aa4a0a30$80f010ac@hank320a6cca48> To: Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 15:09:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.47.14 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: possibly off topic trying to find out the name of a music bed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=XS9kRP82dR66Xkpsgq4WsNXlaBkt32xQznDMSA4MDn8mPaLi-P13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello I have a recording of a music bed that is played over a technical difficulties desclaimer was wondering if some one can identify the song for me? I have it in mp3 format. let me know where I can post it to. once again I do apologise if this is off topic but I figure sense there is tons of radio folks on here some one may be able to help. thanks Hank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From narkspud@hotmail.com Sat Oct 13 15:52:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25056 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2007 22:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2007 22:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.246) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2007 22:52:13 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2007 22:52:13 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2007 22:52:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2007 22:52:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 22:52:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <769477.84872.qm@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.183.12.58 From: "narkspud" Subject: {AMSF} Re: I have noticed some thing. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=UgtZto2xhWQ8f1fDS1bxN-8rzPsfh7DA81D_nmkcZ5H_e5s X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, clemsonbloke wrote= : > > Well all I know is that when you play anything that > has compression technology through a good system you > can tell the difference. I have a good system too. And what I'm saying is, if it's HD, and the stat= ion is throwing all its=20 bits at the main audio stream, that difference will be in favor of the HD. = It won't even be=20 close. This is not your father's MP3. WEPR and WFBC, ***IF*** they have H= D with only one=20 stream, will sound dramatically better than what you have now no matter how= good it is.=20=20 They just about have to. The FCC-mandated technical limitations on a stati= on's analog=20 transmission guarantee it. I don't disagree with much else you wrote, but I wish you'd found a few pla= ces to start=20 another paragraph . . . . From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Oct 14 13:41:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57476 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2007 20:41:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2007 20:41:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.163) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2007 20:41:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 33796 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Oct 2007 20:41:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: bEt.F.8VM1nDX80XztbP3nqSRANiQhVGVVoi4hwFIXICf9adEXUFDNNw4PDh2Fj8Ebc8CbMe0TSPlqr4rxwv7lRxMWoBGu_MVnnIwLnrZIxSOcXgFQEW4cx8Ag-- Received: from [72.241.129.52] by web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 13:41:10 PDT Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 13:41:10 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <191181.14615.qm@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re:possibly off topic trying to find out the name of a music bed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=VCe1yC_5aw6LS8iYeP0NqFi9g7GTLCSUgnghLNPa3GAnaKATIrsI530 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio You could probably just post it in the "Files" section. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Oct 14 13:43:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64898 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2007 20:43:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2007 20:43:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2007 20:43:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 66523 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Oct 2007 20:43:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XCsC64QVM1lRuDHuVFBwcehoAWHWlvINKOyCftcVlkUt9g9netc6TOoC8fZvC.6AX1E_.AbLXFi4OaHYL7rVIgxygspW0M0QQOeQ_g2v1IPIZAJVMy75RtVGoA-- Received: from [72.241.129.52] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 13:43:13 PDT Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 13:43:13 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <430948.66408.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: I have noticed some thing. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=s92H5Ad9vli3Z3uZw_7mjjJb36VlT3hUnb0-fI-nySJVu5kxBF-K2mY X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio narkspud hit the nail on the head regarding FM multicasting. While single HD channel on FM is generally pretty decent, when you go to HD2, the main channel HD1 is noticeably crappier than it's analog counterpart. We have 3 stations multicasting, and two of them degrade to AM levels when the digital kicks in! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Oct 14 13:48:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7100 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2007 20:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2007 20:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2007 20:48:22 -0000 Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cff.199084bf (37180) for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 16:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hank320a6cca48 (75-165-51-68.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.51.68]) by cia-ma05.mx.aol.com (v119.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA053-913c471280852e6; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 16:48:06 -0400 Message-ID: <001c01c80ea3$85e27c90$80f010ac@hank320a6cca48> To: References: <191181.14615.qm@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 13:48:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.51.68 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:possibly off topic trying to find out the name of a music bed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=RP95-CXFUJfx4uN4QRYo4ezyGdFkihsnXRwOc8bM-Y1v0N--kCXy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit howo I do that? have never done that before I am also unable to get past the security image that yahoo puts in place I am a blind computer user and the image varication doesn't work with my software thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 1:41 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re:possibly off topic trying to find out the name of a music bed You could probably just post it in the "Files" section. __________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tf3200ir@yahoo.com.au Sun Oct 14 16:41:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tf3200ir@yahoo.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12207 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2007 23:41:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2007 23:41:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.208) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2007 23:41:21 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2007 23:41:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2007 23:41:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2007 23:41:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 23:41:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 144.138.227.62 From: "Smiley" Subject: Re: Schematic for Alfredo-Lite? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=288652798; y=Bz4vKByFmgiWItIL5WhZOnZM4whjTnUs4_wpN-vaxU_VjC8 X-Yahoo-Profile: tf3200ir --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wlx1430" wrote: > > High gang,=20 > Anybody have a schematic for the Alfredo Lite? I want to process L+R and L-R seperately,=20 > (ala Optimod 9100) and need to bring loop-jacks out from the matrix. > I googled "alfredo lite", but the schematic was too small to see pin numbers on the chips. > ThanX! >=20 > George > Check the photo section George for schematics and it appears the website where I originally got the images from is offline. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Oct 14 20:32:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47044 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2007 03:32:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2007 03:32:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2007 03:32:02 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2007 03:32:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2007 03:32:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 03:32:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.69 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Schematic for Alfredo-Lite? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=sG9yzdkOQ7JZhzJZnl0nJq8ixfgf7hxzvqqQwABZHnmvEp-2_g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Smiley" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wlx1430" wrote: > > > > High gang,=20 > > Anybody have a schematic for the Alfredo Lite? I want to process > L+R and L-R seperately,=20 > > (ala Optimod 9100) and need to bring loop-jacks out from the matrix. > > I googled "alfredo lite", but the schematic was too small to see pin > numbers on the chips. > > ThanX! > >=20 > > George > > > Check the photo section George for schematics and it appears the > website where I originally got the images from is offline. > I have a full serie of *.jpg files with the schematics from an C-QUAM=20 AM Stereo transmitter. I don't know if it's you're looking for. My problem is I can't upload it because the group FILES menu option is=20 almost full. So, can somebody get more space to this group? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Oct 14 20:45:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60980 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2007 03:45:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2007 03:45:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.214) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2007 03:45:43 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n33.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2007 03:45:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2007 03:45:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2007 03:45:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 03:45:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.69 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: I have noticed some thing. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=1IRE3Lc-sYav8LMac78pIY1zJF0_slw2fpFeJD7f747yDrQCNg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, clemsonbloke =20 wrote: > > > > Well all I know is that when you play anything that > > has compression technology through a good system you > > can tell the difference. >=20 > I have a good system too. And what I'm saying is, if it's HD, and=20 the station is throwing all its=20 > bits at the main audio stream, that difference will be in favor of=20 the HD. It won't even be=20 > close. This is not your father's MP3. WEPR and WFBC, ***IF***=20 they have HD with only one=20 > stream, will sound dramatically better than what you have now no=20 matter how good it is.=20=20 > They just about have to. The FCC-mandated technical limitations=20 on a station's analog=20 > transmission guarantee it. >=20 > I don't disagree with much else you wrote, but I wish you'd found=20 a few places to start=20 > another paragraph . . . . > Hi Gang!!! I'm one of those guys that never heard FM HD, but I heard an AM HD=20 experiment and I didn't like it. But, please brothers, despite what we like or not like, the issue=20 here is how much the HD technology can really improve the AM=20 audience (number of listeners). Independently of our opinions about the sound quality from HD,=20 analog, C-QUAM, ISB, etc, etc, etc, the fact is the AM band has lost=20 a lot of listeners last decades due to a very bad programming=20 format, not the technology. In this context, I don't know how much the HD technology can=20 really "hit" the market. Do you think a common listener will buy an HD tuner only due to=20 the "new" theorical "good" sound? I don't think so. Will the listeners want to listen the same grime but with a=20 new "digital" sound? I don't think so. Maybe, only MAYBE, the HD technology will win the battle, but not=20 the war; because the war, the really war, is about the bad=20 programming format. LONG LIFE TO THE BEAUTIFUL MUSIC FORMAT!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South Am=E9rica, with love From robert.w.welch@att.net Sun Oct 14 22:45:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60842 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2007 05:45:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2007 05:45:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.237) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2007 05:45:00 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n25.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2007 05:45:00 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2007 05:45:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2007 05:45:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 05:45:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <430948.66408.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: I have noticed some thing. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=k3A3EJSB1Zis6Ka9yVSPmpi-mLEGS416Xf_Clsomj1cCHr23PIpC X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 That's what Vermont Public Radio does on its WVPS 107.9 transmitter on=20 Mt. Mansfield. In my house in Barre.. I can't decode WVPS's HD. Perhaps, I'm=20 fortunate. In other parts of the house... I'm just close enough to the=20 threshold of the signal where it just becomes a general annoyance=20 having the tuner wobble from HD to FM. Heaven help you if you wanted=20 to listen to the sub channel HD2 which offers classical... the HD3=20 gives a continuous feed of BBC World Service. In VPR's wonderful way of being superfluous they unveiled a new=20 transmitter mounted on WPTZ-TV 5's tower over in New York State which=20 broadcasts what is on the HD2 channel in analog... so no one will want=20 to buy the new radios anyway. Not, that I'm a real fan of classical,=20 nor of IBOC, they sure blew it in creating demand for the new radios by=20 putting the same music on a new FM freq. Meanwhile... as the new freq WOXR isn't on Mansfield... most Vermonters=20 outside Burlington of course will not hear that signal... they'll most=20 likely migrate down the dial to WCVT "Classic Vermont" 101.7. Bob at WDEV (-- Classic Vermont is a sister station of WDEV) > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Oct 15 03:57:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98396 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2007 10:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2007 10:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.207) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2007 10:57:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 19880 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Oct 2007 10:57:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rJQnqeUVM1nnJIjjqvM1dMBF58JO87YRtiRA3FUkuZdgpRu0A6AhXhs7pcEfL6hYe_GcBWwBG5oV7mS5AiGZylA_JnF8rU71v7R8dApQFFPJjuVWLwFqUG0nG5It4w-- Received: from [24.192.186.246] by web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 03:57:25 PDT Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 03:57:25 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <397489.19877.qm@web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Schematic for Alfredo-Lite? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=2NOrQIDklEtXoEF49-Bb7HRB9YJr6ueEyEdIZG7U2rhmSA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Thanx! I'll check it out. George --- Smiley wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wlx1430" > wrote: > > > > High gang, > > Anybody have a schematic for the Alfredo Lite? I > want to process > L+R and L-R seperately, > > (ala Optimod 9100) and need to bring loop-jacks > out from the matrix. > > I googled "alfredo lite", but the schematic was > too small to see pin > numbers on the chips. > > ThanX! > > > > George > > > Check the photo section George for schematics and it > appears the > website where I originally got the images from is > offline. > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Oct 15 04:00:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51013 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2007 11:00:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2007 11:00:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.206) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2007 11:00:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 59718 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Oct 2007 11:00:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kf0q8rMVM1mScXozEqeGttX2BeoOiwuiJpUzb3ahOfuig8OJGk7n84vU.AH_TJG.R2qbN4BeXvuZWXzTabBT4LwCdCPcFR9mJ3Vvo.zaay.VuBqsXNwijzhB7de_nQ-- Received: from [24.192.186.246] by web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 04:00:46 PDT Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 04:00:46 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <86234.59577.qm@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Schematic for Alfredo-Lite? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=2qWZJzy2S6Joi1N2rRo4GtXJDh1Uj7di7EqMjb7BygmbyQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 All I need is to see where the L+R and L-R audio is at, so I can break into it and run each through seperate compressor/limiters. Smiley said there is a diagram on the photo section, I'll look at that. Thanx! George --- jotape1960 wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Smiley" > wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wlx1430" > wrote: > > > > > > High gang, > > > Anybody have a schematic for the Alfredo Lite? > I want to process > > L+R and L-R seperately, > > > (ala Optimod 9100) and need to bring loop-jacks > out from the matrix. > > > I googled "alfredo lite", but the schematic was > too small to see pin > > numbers on the chips. > > > ThanX! > > > > > > George > > > > > Check the photo section George for schematics and > it appears the > > website where I originally got the images from is > offline. > > > > I have a full serie of *.jpg files with the > schematics from an C-QUAM > AM Stereo transmitter. I don't know if it's you're > looking for. > > My problem is I can't upload it because the group > FILES menu option is > almost full. So, can somebody get more space to this > group? > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Oct 15 07:29:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95500 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2007 14:29:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2007 14:29:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2007 14:29:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 32296 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Oct 2007 14:29:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FrbPhHYVM1kuX3YUFdELl5zA6coJdE0SudrMKDbwB7VdYy7XXHklURzDDvLZNvMWm61bP_Wwfw-- Received: from [209.213.18.184] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:29:14 PDT Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:29:14 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <769477.84872.qm@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <107346.31384.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: I have noticed something. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=q06KaM8iFf8UyHDak8lsUyjLPIOlm10aq1UMc1_AYO8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- clemsonbloke wrote: > Well all I know is that when you play anything that > has compression technology through a good system you > can tell the difference. MP3's usually sound like > crap because the speakers and amp can reveal more > than > headphones or a table radio. GOOD headphones, and I said GOOD headphones can reveal even more. You might even howl. > This is why I like > good analog done correctly. To me it sounds better. Better than what? > Theres a couple of FM Stations here that sound > really > great. One is WEPR 90.1 and is the NPR station. I > get it in crystal clear stereo with no noise or > anything. Everything they get from NPR comes to them digitally. I doubt if ANY audio you hear is pure analog. Don't forget their automation system also. My XM doesnt sounds nowhere near as good > as > that FM station. Another good FM station here and I > say good as in the quality of sound is WFBC 93.7 FM. Since they also run HD, I can say they are using everything digital. However that said, Jerry Massey the engineer knows that you CAN NOT use any compressed digital schemes ANYwhere in the line and expect the HD to sound acceptable. So I'm sure in the digital scheme nothing is compressed. > I get both those stations in excellent sound quality > on a regular analog tuner and neither are the least > bit noisy. From the things I read I don't see HD > going anywhere in my area for the time being. Since you don't have a HD radio, how do you know? I wished WSPA would at least put Beautiful Music on a HD2. On FM HD has a chance if someone had a clue how to market. Now let me get off the floor and clean up the tears I put down there while I was laughing. As for MW, nope not. Everone powers up and local coverage will be reduced to that of the old class 4'ws on even some high powered stations at night. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Oct 15 09:57:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96893 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2007 16:57:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2007 16:57:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.241) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2007 16:57:34 -0000 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d11so125875and for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:57:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.72.21 with SMTP id u21mr1589013wfa.1192467454011; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:57:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [75.88.71.169]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm5319376wra.2007.10.15.09.57.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:57:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47139BF8.70200@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:57:28 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <107346.31384.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <107346.31384.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.241 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: I have noticed something. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=jBpya7fOD2CcuZ1B2W0okEnscofTO7Yjg-nLgBeIx6iqZnQX1_Mr8acizG66vQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > GOOD headphones, and I said GOOD headphones can reveal even more. You might even howl. > Powell, when you look at the quality of his consumer grade mass-market stereo, he is most likely using consumer grade headphones from Wal-Mart too. > Everything they get from NPR comes to them digitally. > Doesn't NPR distribute their audio in MPEG4? > Since they also run HD, I can say they are using everything digital. WFBC-FM gets their music from Jones-TM in mp2 format encoded at 256K > Now let me get off the floor and clean up the tears I put down there while I was laughing. I gotta mop up my floor too! LOL Kevin in MO where I can listen to GREAT Medium Wave stations with GREAT formats from both Canadian Clears and a LOCAL! From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mon Oct 15 14:03:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 59978 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2007 21:03:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2007 21:03:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.184) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2007 21:03:37 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2007 21:03:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2007 21:03:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2007 21:03:37 -0000 Date: 15 Oct 2007 21:03:36 -0000 Message-ID: <1192482216.40422.30626.w122@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /sound 1.mp3 Uploaded by : toledohamradio Description : Unknown Background Music for Hank You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/sound%201.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, toledohamradio From droland66@yahoo.com Tue Oct 16 08:21:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2282 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2007 15:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2007 15:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.218) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2007 15:21:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2007 15:21:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2007 15:21:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:21:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <47139BF8.70200@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.218 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.204.115.242 From: "david roland" Subject: Re: I have noticed something. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=Szm5NX04xcEB79W2-WNLHNzmPzBl5cgVkWZH5-L3SGYvs_5q X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 there is a classical station in Boston, 99.5, that often (still)=20 plays selections directly off of vinyl lps. yes, you can hear a few=20 pops and clicks, but when they do that, the sound is just amazingly=20 beautiful and you can definitely hear that "air" that vinyl and the=20 RIAA eq curve give to the analog waveform. i do not know if there=20 is any digital eq in the chain when they play from vinyl but i'd=20 have to say i doubt it because it sounds almost exactly like i have=20 put a pristine vinyl lp on my own turntable. in one word "sweet".=20=20 there's nothing wrong with digital, but a well preserved great vinyl=20 pressing on a decent stereo system is music to the ears, IMHO. even=20 many of today's teens think so. and don't misunderstand me. i'm=20 not bashing CD's because i think the sweetness of the vinyl sound is=20 actually a quality that is introduced by the medium, the eq curve,=20 the cutting and replay mechanism, etc. add to that the fact that CD=20 mastering is often abysmal and many mass consumer DAC's really=20 really really stink in their ability to accurately reconstruct the=20 analog waveform. as far as compression goes, the best kind is=20 highly efficient lossless compression because while that takes more=20 room than lossy compression, the information isn't changed at all,=20 just takes up less space. still, when digital is handled with care,=20 it can and should sound just as good as the CD going into the get-it- ready-for-broadcast sound processing phase. i have a great idea (i think) for an audiophile CD player that will=20 duplicate the vinyl sound. it's strange but i think it would work.=20=20 what i would do is... start with a CD with a nice analog output,=20 then internally (computer controlled) do the following: 1) mix it with some nice pink noise from a pink noise generator that=20 approximates the noise floor of vinyl on an excellent turntable setup 2) run it through the process a sound engineer does when they get it=20 ready to cut a vinyl lp... applying the inverse RIAA EQ, reducing=20 the amplitude to tiny, ect. 3) but instead of feeding the output to a cutter, develop some type=20 of system to feed the output into an actual audio cartridge, maybe=20 some type of vibration tray that simulates the movement of grooves=20 and have it actually vibrate a real stylus and then treat the CD=20 player output as you would treat a turntable output. i think such a setup could be made without horrific expense and=20 would rival the sound quality of some reference CD players that use=20 lots of other tricks (like tubes) to try to make CD's sound more=20 like vinyl. my theory is that adding the pink noise, applying the=20 inverse RIAA curve, de-amping, playing the sound THROUGH an actual=20 MM cartridge taking the output, re-applying the RIAA EQ, pre-amping,=20 and feeding into the amp would essentially reproduce the turntable=20 experience so the sound could be pretty much a dead ringer. dave From robert.w.welch@att.net Tue Oct 16 11:16:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85518 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2007 18:15:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2007 18:15:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.184) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2007 18:15:58 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2007 18:15:57 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2007 18:15:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2007 18:15:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:15:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: I have noticed something. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=gPpXH7b2p8byd8eLX_OQxRHP9mbc8So0dchIhXM-8AbSJW8KgD8U X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 My mother has trouble hearing WCRB-FM now that it's at 99.5 FM.=20=20 Granted, moving a signal's frequency is better than ditching the=20 format all together. Out in Worcester County... 99.5... I have been=20 told has some glitches getting into the tuner.=20=20=20 For those from far and wide (this is the internet... an obvious world- wide medium) WCRB-FM was for nearly 50 years at 102.5 FM and due to a=20 whole bunch of management sales to which I won't get into wound up=20 being moved to 99.5. That said, that great radio station is now a=20 rim-shotter to the north and west of Boston instead of having the=20 signal shooting out from inside Boston... or at least close enough to=20 it for it not to make a difference in the city core. I'd hate to be on the southern sector of that I-495 ring... and be=20 trying to tune 99.5. I don't find myself down on that end.. the WCRB=20 loyalists must be having one heck of a time with the new dial=20 setting/ signal down there... with a transmitter nearly in New=20 Hampshire... (i.e. Lowell, Mass) Bob --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "david roland" =20 wrote: > > there is a classical station in Boston, 99.5, that often (still)=20 > plays selections directly off of vinyl lps. yes, you can hear a=20 few=20 > pops and clicks, but when they do that, the sound is just amazingly=20 > beautiful and you can definitely hear that "air" that vinyl and the=20 > RIAA eq curve give to the analog waveform. i do not know if there=20 > is any digital eq in the chain when they play from vinyl but i'd=20 > have to say i doubt it because it sounds almost exactly like i have=20 > put a pristine vinyl lp on my own turntable. in one word "sweet".=20=20 > there's nothing wrong with digital, but a well preserved great=20 vinyl=20 > pressing on a decent stereo system is music to the ears, IMHO.=20=20 even=20 > many of today's teens think so. and don't misunderstand me. i'm=20 > not bashing CD's because i think the sweetness of the vinyl sound=20 is=20 > actually a quality that is introduced by the medium, the eq curve,=20 > the cutting and replay mechanism, etc. add to that the fact that=20 CD=20 > mastering is often abysmal and many mass consumer DAC's really=20 > really really stink in their ability to accurately reconstruct the=20 > analog waveform. as far as compression goes, the best kind is=20 > highly efficient lossless compression because while that takes more=20 > room than lossy compression, the information isn't changed at all,=20 > just takes up less space. still, when digital is handled with=20 care,=20 > it can and should sound just as good as the CD going into the get- it- > ready-for-broadcast sound processing phase. >=20 > i have a great idea (i think) for an audiophile CD player that will=20 > duplicate the vinyl sound. it's strange but i think it would=20 work.=20=20 > what i would do is... start with a CD with a nice analog output,=20 > then internally (computer controlled) do the following: >=20 > 1) mix it with some nice pink noise from a pink noise generator=20 that=20 > approximates the noise floor of vinyl on an excellent turntable=20 setup > 2) run it through the process a sound engineer does when they get=20 it=20 > ready to cut a vinyl lp... applying the inverse RIAA EQ, reducing=20 > the amplitude to tiny, ect. > 3) but instead of feeding the output to a cutter, develop some type=20 > of system to feed the output into an actual audio cartridge, maybe=20 > some type of vibration tray that simulates the movement of grooves=20 > and have it actually vibrate a real stylus and then treat the CD=20 > player output as you would treat a turntable output. >=20 > i think such a setup could be made without horrific expense and=20 > would rival the sound quality of some reference CD players that use=20 > lots of other tricks (like tubes) to try to make CD's sound more=20 > like vinyl. my theory is that adding the pink noise, applying the=20 > inverse RIAA curve, de-amping, playing the sound THROUGH an actual=20 > MM cartridge taking the output, re-applying the RIAA EQ, pre- amping,=20 > and feeding into the amp would essentially reproduce the turntable=20 > experience so the sound could be pretty much a dead ringer. >=20 > dave > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Oct 16 14:26:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84329 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2007 21:26:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2007 21:26:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.206) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2007 21:26:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 18025 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Oct 2007 21:26:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Fu61zFEVM1mDpYGB3ujhxMC9C1EkfO7ecgduCSfiSyLL5KCIPiLB8VlBoEFmzIC.glp.H5pglLpD5KfvsNEp9g_9XtMCoCi7Py71G.FKQrFJUBCPMKXv0srgIVabxQ-- Received: from [24.192.186.246] by web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:26:15 PDT Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:26:15 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <988589.18022.qm@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: I have noticed something. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=WAc8jpWi6BzZm8vhkzrVqK7g0CaHNPKZTICd3QaQZOWY0g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 David, I agree completely, vinyl sounds great! There's a reason CDs don't quite measure up as far as detail and nuance goes... CDs were saddled with a slow 16-bit standard at the time they were coming along, mainly to assure enough run time. But if you get a chance some time, listen to 24-bit, high sample-rate digital...it really is good! Vinyl has, if you will, a near-infinite "sample rate", so every little detail above the noise floor gets into the groove. I read somewhere that vinyl has no right to sound as good as it does, when you consider you are dragging a rock through a gully to get the sound...hmm! With ever lower prices for technology, better A/D and D/A converters, and rising memory per dollar, it is time somebody came out with a new standard for commercial music distribution, 24-bit and 96 kHz. Then you could have the great detailed sound of vinyl, with the huge signal/noise ratio of digital. Plus, editing your own recordings would be a lot easier. (that from a guy who refuses to part with his old reel-to-reel tape deck!) Until SACD, DVD Audio, or whatever is the latest tout becomes the standard, I, like you, will cherish the turntables and the vinyl I place on them! After all, our hearing, like our seeing, is analog, too. Regards, George --- david roland wrote: > there is a classical station in Boston, 99.5, that > often (still) > plays selections directly off of vinyl lps. yes, > you can hear a few > pops and clicks, but when they do that, the sound is > just amazingly > beautiful and you can definitely hear that "air" > that vinyl and the > RIAA eq curve give to the analog waveform. i do not > know if there > is any digital eq in the chain when they play from > vinyl but i'd > have to say i doubt it because it sounds almost > exactly like i have > put a pristine vinyl lp on my own turntable. in one > word "sweet". > there's nothing wrong with digital, but a well > preserved great vinyl > pressing on a decent stereo system is music to the > ears, IMHO. even > many of today's teens think so. and don't > misunderstand me. i'm > not bashing CD's because i think the sweetness of > the vinyl sound is > actually a quality that is introduced by the medium, > the eq curve, > the cutting and replay mechanism, etc. add to that > the fact that CD > mastering is often abysmal and many mass consumer > DAC's really > really really stink in their ability to accurately > reconstruct the > analog waveform. as far as compression goes, the > best kind is > highly efficient lossless compression because while > that takes more > room than lossy compression, the information isn't > changed at all, > just takes up less space. still, when digital is > handled with care, > it can and should sound just as good as the CD going > into the get-it- > ready-for-broadcast sound processing phase. > > i have a great idea (i think) for an audiophile CD > player that will > duplicate the vinyl sound. it's strange but i think > it would work. > what i would do is... start with a CD with a nice > analog output, > then internally (computer controlled) do the > following: > > 1) mix it with some nice pink noise from a pink > noise generator that > approximates the noise floor of vinyl on an > excellent turntable setup > 2) run it through the process a sound engineer does > when they get it > ready to cut a vinyl lp... applying the inverse RIAA > EQ, reducing > the amplitude to tiny, ect. > 3) but instead of feeding the output to a cutter, > develop some type > of system to feed the output into an actual audio > cartridge, maybe > some type of vibration tray that simulates the > movement of grooves > and have it actually vibrate a real stylus and then > treat the CD > player output as you would treat a turntable output. > > i think such a setup could be made without horrific > expense and > would rival the sound quality of some reference CD > players that use > lots of other tricks (like tubes) to try to make > CD's sound more > like vinyl. my theory is that adding the pink > noise, applying the > inverse RIAA curve, de-amping, playing the sound > THROUGH an actual > MM cartridge taking the output, re-applying the RIAA > EQ, pre-amping, > and feeding into the amp would essentially reproduce > the turntable > experience so the sound could be pretty much a dead > ringer. > > dave > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? 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FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From droland66@yahoo.com Tue Oct 16 20:45:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46436 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2007 03:45:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2007 03:45:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2007 03:45:29 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2007 03:45:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2007 03:45:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 03:45:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.12.117.131 From: "david roland" Subject: Re: I have noticed something. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=TDjOLSjS3KabnS2HVo0Cr-AryvsMWWvDHtav37R_K84vbrcy X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 What I don't understand is that the country station that was on 99.5=20 isn't as clear on 102.5 (in the Manchester, NH area) and WCRB was=20 much better on 102.5. you would have thought that one of the two=20 would have improved, reception wise, but both got worse. still, WCRB=20 sounds very nice when they put on the ole vinyl. -- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Welch" =20 wrote: > > My mother has trouble hearing WCRB-FM now that it's at 99.5 FM.=20=20 > Granted, moving a signal's frequency is better than ditching the=20 > format all together. Out in Worcester County... 99.5... I have=20 been=20 > told has some glitches getting into the tuner.=20=20=20 >=20 > For those from far and wide (this is the internet... an obvious=20 world- > wide medium) WCRB-FM was for nearly 50 years at 102.5 FM and due to=20 a=20 > whole bunch of management sales to which I won't get into wound up=20 > being moved to 99.5. That said, that great radio station is now a=20 > rim-shotter to the north and west of Boston instead of having the=20 > signal shooting out from inside Boston... or at least close enough=20 to=20 > it for it not to make a difference in the city core. >=20 > I'd hate to be on the southern sector of that I-495 ring... and be=20 > trying to tune 99.5. I don't find myself down on that end.. the=20 WCRB=20 > loyalists must be having one heck of a time with the new dial=20 > setting/ signal down there... with a transmitter nearly in New=20 > Hampshire... (i.e. Lowell, Mass) >=20 > Bob >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "david roland" =20 > wrote: > > > > there is a classical station in Boston, 99.5, that often (still)=20 > > plays selections directly off of vinyl lps. yes, you can hear a=20 > few=20 > > pops and clicks, but when they do that, the sound is just=20 amazingly=20 > > beautiful and you can definitely hear that "air" that vinyl and=20 the=20 > > RIAA eq curve give to the analog waveform. i do not know if=20 there=20 > > is any digital eq in the chain when they play from vinyl but i'd=20 > > have to say i doubt it because it sounds almost exactly like i=20 have=20 > > put a pristine vinyl lp on my own turntable. in one=20 word "sweet".=20=20 > > there's nothing wrong with digital, but a well preserved great=20 > vinyl=20 > > pressing on a decent stereo system is music to the ears, IMHO.=20=20 > even=20 > > many of today's teens think so. and don't misunderstand me. i'm=20 > > not bashing CD's because i think the sweetness of the vinyl sound=20 > is=20 > > actually a quality that is introduced by the medium, the eq=20 curve,=20 > > the cutting and replay mechanism, etc. add to that the fact that=20 > CD=20 > > mastering is often abysmal and many mass consumer DAC's really=20 > > really really stink in their ability to accurately reconstruct=20 the=20 > > analog waveform. as far as compression goes, the best kind is=20 > > highly efficient lossless compression because while that takes=20 more=20 > > room than lossy compression, the information isn't changed at=20 all,=20 > > just takes up less space. still, when digital is handled with=20 > care,=20 > > it can and should sound just as good as the CD going into the get- > it- > > ready-for-broadcast sound processing phase. > >=20 > > i have a great idea (i think) for an audiophile CD player that=20 will=20 > > duplicate the vinyl sound. it's strange but i think it would=20 > work.=20=20 > > what i would do is... start with a CD with a nice analog output,=20 > > then internally (computer controlled) do the following: > >=20 > > 1) mix it with some nice pink noise from a pink noise generator=20 > that=20 > > approximates the noise floor of vinyl on an excellent turntable=20 > setup > > 2) run it through the process a sound engineer does when they get=20 > it=20 > > ready to cut a vinyl lp... applying the inverse RIAA EQ, reducing=20 > > the amplitude to tiny, ect. > > 3) but instead of feeding the output to a cutter, develop some=20 type=20 > > of system to feed the output into an actual audio cartridge,=20 maybe=20 > > some type of vibration tray that simulates the movement of=20 grooves=20 > > and have it actually vibrate a real stylus and then treat the CD=20 > > player output as you would treat a turntable output. > >=20 > > i think such a setup could be made without horrific expense and=20 > > would rival the sound quality of some reference CD players that=20 use=20 > > lots of other tricks (like tubes) to try to make CD's sound more=20 > > like vinyl. my theory is that adding the pink noise, applying=20 the=20 > > inverse RIAA curve, de-amping, playing the sound THROUGH an=20 actual=20 > > MM cartridge taking the output, re-applying the RIAA EQ, pre- > amping,=20 > > and feeding into the amp would essentially reproduce the=20 turntable=20 > > experience so the sound could be pretty much a dead ringer. > >=20 > > dave > > > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Oct 17 05:30:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23817 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2007 12:30:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2007 12:30:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.152) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2007 12:30:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 74219 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Oct 2007 12:30:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: H754j0QVM1kNgbYzbvyL_ipTI5bkOARePQzAs4ixUjUhs7qduPl_xBFg0OI9_fIM0eTMS7Q87U4S51DQHsIZfbQDzW.OXUJKvPoftVimI9n_XSU- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 05:30:46 PDT Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 05:30:46 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <400129.74044.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: I have noticed something. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=WEsOvcO1PXD8aQG5z8I73Um97PRIFiT_INcPY99xX0hdwh1lKXZLmco X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I haven't been able to find a store where I can actually hear what SACD sounds like, as most have stopped selling them; and, like HD radio, you can't hear what it actually sounds like before you buy it! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From djjayarnold@yahoo.com Wed Oct 17 12:13:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: djjayarnold@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54769 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2007 19:13:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2007 19:13:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.215) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2007 19:13:19 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2007 19:13:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2007 19:13:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2007 19:13:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:13:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <400129.74044.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.121.52.2 From: "djjayarnold" Subject: Re: I have noticed something. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317204437; y=HO1l3_jVNQCAGAlolZscl2UoyRWLTzoMrGXhrhUzzXG7emKRcYY X-Yahoo-Profile: djjayarnold Since George and Dave mentioned the nuances of CDs and Vinyl,=20 I thought this item would be of interest that was sent to me=20 yesterday... --jay: =20 Half vinyl, half CD, all new format ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now if they can work in an MP3 and a cassette tape... I wish they'd have thought of this years ago! - Dr. Mark *_*_* http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,2191129,00.html (Whole story below... there was no image)=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Half vinyl, half CD, all new format Katie Allen - Monday October 15, 2007- The Guardian CD sales are falling. Vinyl sales are rising but not for a mass market. So the music industry has come up with a new format in the fight against dwindling revenues. Rock band Fightstar is releasing its next single on a disc that is vinyl on one side and a CD on the other. Its record=20 company Gut admits the vinyl-disc is a gimmick but hopes=20 it will capture fans' imagination. "It can only work as a gimmick because we don't actually know how many fans have record players," says Gut's=20 chairman, Guy Holmes. The band of former Busted frontman Charlie Simpson will release Deathcar next month. The vinyl-disc version will be=20 a limited edition, probably of 3,000 copies, and is likely to=20 sell for =A32.99. The two-in-one disc, which can hold around three minutes of music on the vinyl side and 70 minutes on the CD side, was=20 created by Germany's Optimal Media Production. Mr Holmes - who is credited with revitalising Tom Jones's career, discovering Right Said Fred and popularising Crazy=20 Frog - says that if the format proves popular his company=20 could use it for other bands. "The music business desperately,=20 desperately needs to invent new formats; the CD is an antique,=20 it's 20 years old." --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > I haven't been able to find a store where I can actually hear what=20 SACD > sounds like, as most have stopped selling them; and, like HD radio,=20 you > can't hear what it actually sounds like before you buy it! >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com > From droland66@yahoo.com Wed Oct 17 13:47:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27284 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2007 20:47:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2007 20:47:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.249) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2007 20:47:00 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n29.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2007 20:47:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2007 20:47:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2007 20:47:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:46:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.62.179.16 From: "david roland" Subject: Re: I have noticed something. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=bWQFp9GNHZhBgHcVTagXjOCxpiYGGQuhfnoSFEYPMJaz1sm_ X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 SACD's and DVD-A's sound like listening to the master tape, IMHO. dave --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "djjayarnold"=20 wrote: > > Since George and Dave mentioned the nuances of CDs and Vinyl,=20 > I thought this item would be of interest that was sent to me=20 > yesterday... > --jay: >=20=20 > Half vinyl, half CD, all new format > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Now if they can work in an MP3 and a cassette tape... > I wish they'd have thought of this years ago! - Dr. Mark >=20 > *_*_* > http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,2191129,00.html > (Whole story below... there was no image)=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > Half vinyl, half CD, all new format >=20 > Katie Allen - Monday October 15, 2007- The Guardian >=20 > CD sales are falling. Vinyl sales are rising but not for a > mass market. > So the music industry has come up with a new format in the > fight against dwindling revenues. >=20 > Rock band Fightstar is releasing its next single on a disc > that is vinyl on one side and a CD on the other. Its record=20 > company Gut admits the vinyl-disc is a gimmick but hopes=20 > it will capture fans' imagination. >=20 > "It can only work as a gimmick because we don't actually > know how many fans have record players," says Gut's=20 > chairman, Guy Holmes. >=20 > The band of former Busted frontman Charlie Simpson will > release Deathcar next month. The vinyl-disc version will be=20 > a limited edition, probably of 3,000 copies, and is likely to=20 > sell for =A32.99. >=20 > The two-in-one disc, which can hold around three minutes of > music on the vinyl side and 70 minutes on the CD side, was=20 > created by Germany's Optimal Media Production. >=20 > Mr Holmes - who is credited with revitalising Tom Jones's > career, discovering Right Said Fred and popularising Crazy=20 > Frog - says that if the format proves popular his company=20 > could use it for other bands. "The music business desperately,=20 > desperately needs to invent new formats; the CD is an antique,=20 > it's 20 years old." >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 > wrote: > > > > I haven't been able to find a store where I can actually hear=20 what=20 > SACD > > sounds like, as most have stopped selling them; and, like HD=20 radio,=20 > you > > can't hear what it actually sounds like before you buy it! > >=20 > >=20 > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > From ke7ief@aol.com Wed Oct 17 13:50:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76270 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2007 20:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2007 20:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2007 20:50:58 -0000 Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d10.16c4a326 (49390) for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:50:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hank320a6cca48 (75-165-52-96.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.52.96]) by ciaaol-d07.mail.aol.com (v119.12) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD076-c0ee471675aaa9; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:50:51 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01c810ff$67195f00$80f010ac@hank320a6cca48> To: References: Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:50:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.52.96 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: I have noticed something. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=MIQwxpI4DlR4j7zbLPTtfRupuV9C0FIENYHPMffYdW7ltC3USmnh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable now if only you could play that vinyl on a turn table darn it. speaking of vinyl though this company makes one off vinyl www.customrecords.com I have personally used these folks and can highly recommend them. not radio related but sense we were on the topic on vinyl thaught I would m= ention these folks. just recommending them as a customer thats all. anyways take care Hank ----- Original Message -----=20 From: djjayarnold=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:13 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: I have noticed something. Since George and Dave mentioned the nuances of CDs and Vinyl,=20 I thought this item would be of interest that was sent to me=20 yesterday... --jay: Half vinyl, half CD, all new format ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now if they can work in an MP3 and a cassette tape... I wish they'd have thought of this years ago! - Dr. Mark *_*_* http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,2191129,00.html (Whole story below... there was no image)=20 Half vinyl, half CD, all new format Katie Allen - Monday October 15, 2007- The Guardian CD sales are falling. Vinyl sales are rising but not for a mass market. So the music industry has come up with a new format in the fight against dwindling revenues. Rock band Fightstar is releasing its next single on a disc that is vinyl on one side and a CD on the other. Its record=20 company Gut admits the vinyl-disc is a gimmick but hopes=20 it will capture fans' imagination. "It can only work as a gimmick because we don't actually know how many fans have record players," says Gut's=20 chairman, Guy Holmes. The band of former Busted frontman Charlie Simpson will release Deathcar next month. The vinyl-disc version will be=20 a limited edition, probably of 3,000 copies, and is likely to=20 sell for =A32.99. The two-in-one disc, which can hold around three minutes of music on the vinyl side and 70 minutes on the CD side, was=20 created by Germany's Optimal Media Production. Mr Holmes - who is credited with revitalising Tom Jones's career, discovering Right Said Fred and popularising Crazy=20 Frog - says that if the format proves popular his company=20 could use it for other bands. "The music business desperately,=20 desperately needs to invent new formats; the CD is an antique,=20 it's 20 years old." --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > I haven't been able to find a store where I can actually hear what=20 SACD > sounds like, as most have stopped selling them; and, like HD radio,=20 you > can't hear what it actually sounds like before you buy it! >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com > =20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Oct 17 14:39:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49844 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2007 21:39:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2007 21:39:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.208) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2007 21:39:19 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2007 21:39:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2007 21:39:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2007 21:39:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 21:39:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.70.167.8 From: "narkspud" Subject: Re: I have noticed something. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=9c7SGTFC527oPDrm064l7AYnl8ye7-NpdDAltk3ZR5J4OHc X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud > Rock band Fightstar is releasing its next single on a disc > that is vinyl on one side and a CD on the other. Its record=20 > company Gut admits the vinyl-disc is a gimmick but hopes=20 > it will capture fans' imagination. How do they deal with the different hole sizes? I remember an amazing technology from awhile back that was a record on one = side and a=20 box of cereal on the other. How did they do that? From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Oct 17 14:48:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1654 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2007 21:48:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2007 21:48:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.216) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2007 21:48:40 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2007 21:48:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2007 21:48:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 21:48:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.70.167.8 From: "narkspud" Subject: Re: I have noticed something. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=0cP3nvSnyL-ll036zJVPx1nPyxFQWIqEGuNNF5TweSbSg5A X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "david roland" wrote: > i have a great idea (i think) for an audiophile CD player that will=20 > duplicate the vinyl sound.=20 Sounds like Rube Goldberg stuff to me, with an end result that I'd describe= as "degraded=20 digital." It'd be cheaper to have that pressing plant make acetates for yo= u. Either way, it=20 would be the worst of both worlds, combining the limitations of both format= s. I love my vinyl to pieces, but I have yet to find a case of an inferior-sou= nding CD that couldn't=20 have been completely solved by better mastering or a better source tape. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Oct 18 05:16:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16699 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2007 12:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2007 12:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2007 12:16:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 48747 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Oct 2007 12:16:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xq89dx8VM1nttuoxsd5GBjMNmgPIxdwzssv5fZ9JX_89G9TxyrKq8Y2RKoRMTr7peWX7emppSOiFc_HMid8VecAbgvt5xc1.Gb7KnBX.cXG0Xvs- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 05:16:18 PDT Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 05:16:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <482279.47801.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Vinyl CD? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=_QHTljk0-TwaUrYkX9LyIvqsK8DGBQ3nKTw55pxBAtyoZ7vw_OouSs8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I'm assuming that half-vinyl/half CD has an infamous hole adapter - in this case a tiny one that converts the CD hole to a standard LP spindle, and I would assume that the vinyl CD runs at 33-1/3 RPM to get more running time instead of 45RPM. Just my guesses. In England, American groups such as Detroit's White Stripes issue their music on both 45's and LP's in addition to CD. Pretty sweet. Wish they'd do that here too. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Thu Oct 18 08:32:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2638 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2007 15:32:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2007 15:32:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.251) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2007 15:32:50 -0000 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c10so36723ana for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:32:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.214.5 with SMTP id m5mr213685wfg.1192721566515; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [75.88.103.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h19sm2277544wxd.2007.10.18.08.32.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47177C97.3070608@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:32:39 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amradiodx@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.251 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: FWD: "The Tick"- Clear Channel's NEW WWV! 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Hope you guys enjoy this... just what we need to spice that time signal up.. http://www.lownoiserecords.com/wwv_the_tick.html From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Oct 18 17:21:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28477 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2007 00:21:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2007 00:21:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.202) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2007 00:21:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7024 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Oct 2007 00:21:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GdJBgfgVM1mCmdk2qDzOMfS2CJ0FXaTXBjVw2Qw31IYaN4.OEgoqB626kKpbzITRWA-- X-Received: from [24.192.186.246] by web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:21:25 PDT Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:21:25 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <482279.47801.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <649482.6815.qm@web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Vinyl CD? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=B8ritrfolj4c635dV5RXUsr6T5s3ss93jRW6S-1hpI2TQQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Long live the wiggly groove! Anybody remember SQ quadraphonic discs? The rear channels were recorded with 90-degree phase shifts, so the stylus actually went in circles, helically, one way for left rear, other way for right. Talk about weird forgotten formats... George --- "John P." wrote: > I'm assuming that half-vinyl/half CD has an infamous > hole adapter - in > this case a tiny one that converts the CD hole to a > standard LP > spindle, and I would assume that the vinyl CD runs > at 33-1/3 RPM to get > more running time instead of 45RPM. Just my > guesses. > > In England, American groups such as Detroit's White > Stripes issue their > music on both 45's and LP's in addition to CD. > Pretty sweet. Wish > they'd do that here too. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From djjayarnold@yahoo.com Thu Oct 18 21:34:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: djjayarnold@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36605 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2007 04:34:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2007 04:34:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.206) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2007 04:34:12 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2007 04:34:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2007 04:34:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 04:34:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <649482.6815.qm@web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.127.103.171 From: "djjayarnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Vinyl CD? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317204437; y=brddTY3zGbhL0nNOf0D-6kV9qyajNHHlEc2Xrs-yPEUPfVQWiaM X-Yahoo-Profile: djjayarnold --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com,=20 george russell wrote: > Anybody remember SQ quadraphonic discs? > The rear channels were recorded with 90-degree phase > shifts, so the stylus actually went in circles, > helically, one way for left rear, other way for right. I have about 300 of the SQ discs, a few of the equally- weird QS and several of the CD-4 quad discs that needed a special cartridge, of which the more-recent Audio-Technica 155-LC or 140-LC do nicely as a Shibata-type stylus... > Talk about weird forgotten formats... Amen...but at least the SQ mixes were fun to hear... And the Sly And The Family Stone Greatest Hits SQ disc is worth lotsa bucks, because unlike the rechanneled stereo mixes on the "stereo" LP version, not only were all the tracks on the SQ disc were in true stereo, they=20 were in true matrix-Quad! The mono-compatibility was a problem, just like on those 1990-era "Q-Sound" CDs... On my old oldies show "The Goldvine", I routinely snuck on an old SQ or QS disc, just to see if people noticed any difference. I know how they sound in AM Stereo from that "GoldVine" experience (awesome!); I wonder how much differently those=20 discs would sound in Hybrid Digital AM or FM? --jay From mspproductions@gmail.com Thu Oct 18 22:02:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mspproductions@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76744 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2007 05:02:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2007 05:02:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.183) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2007 05:02:08 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a73so900115pye for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:02:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.35.117.5 with SMTP id u5mr1553026pym.1192770121947; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:02:01 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [75.24.40.11]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y64sm2151074pyg.2007.10.18.22.01.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:01:59 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 01:01:56 -0400 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Service Manual Wanted for MCS 3050 Am Stereo FM Stereo tuner Thread-Index: AcgSDSvfajtsvn4AEdyalAADk639Qg== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Matt Patoray Subject: Service Manual Wanted for MCS 3050 Am Stereo FM Stereo tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272439332; y=CUlSxIxzAVS3ug2vLtt2ik8nILWV2pNZ6nJvCQZihsa1VNE X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_patoray Hi all, I just picked up a MCS AM Stereo FM stereo tuner. I want to get it aligned, and a local HiFi shop (Audio Arts for those of you near Youngstown OH), and I need a service manual to get it done. Any help would be appreciated, Matt From tf3200ir@yahoo.com.au Fri Oct 19 04:41:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: tf3200ir@yahoo.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61281 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2007 11:41:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2007 11:41:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.212) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2007 11:41:44 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n32.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2007 11:41:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2007 11:41:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2007 11:41:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 11:41:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <47177C97.3070608@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 144.138.227.160 From: "Smiley" Subject: Re: FWD: "The Tick"- Clear Channel's NEW WWV! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=288652798; y=khl_H0UxB-ZoHMcZ-RYAgpogeOx7eGClmJyDKaUqhe4b3QA X-Yahoo-Profile: tf3200ir I hear Australia's VNG is also looking at a format change. They are having "Clocktober" all this month with a Clock around the Clock special. Oh and don't forget VNG's new competitions " Daylight Savings " and "Count the Pips". VNG's slogan " Its about Time."=20=20=20=20=20 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Oct 19 05:41:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13899 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2007 12:41:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2007 12:41:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.161) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2007 12:41:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 90436 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Oct 2007 12:41:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: gu2YiTYVM1mr1SepTQpSgWscZ1aC86mRMGMhCDp6l3nIT0641buJvsyatkJnGAoVeuhkxucLE.Bj8cxBjd5W3w7UCgLt5tywmhy5TvtJQaOQAzI- Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 05:41:04 PDT Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 05:41:04 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <931956.89651.qm@web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re:FWD: "The Tick" Clear Channel's NEW WWV! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=DQ-XqQ2OnZWD_YJ_7i6xuIGb-I_kzq-OrMfjzXS3oKByjyYoosmmTMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Oh the humanity - could you imagine ClearChannel running WWV? My only disapointment was the lack of some 60's era Beautiful Music (which of course ClearChannel won't even run on their HD2 channels!) We could start a list of 70s/80s background music for WWV though: "Time Clock of the Heart" by Culture Club "Time" from Pink Floyd If they give the wrong time: "Get It Right Next Time" by Gerry Rafferty And of course, when they add the leap second: "What Are You Doing New Year's Eve?" by Andy Williams And they would have to run different formats on different frequencies, so the low band 2.5 & 5 MHz transmitters would have the old AM format with Leroy Anderson's "Synchropated Clock", and 15MHz would have IBOC. But 10MHz would be best, as WWV would be in CQuam AM Stereo! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Oct 19 05:44:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48727 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2007 12:44:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2007 12:44:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2007 12:44:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30540 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Oct 2007 12:44:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 50VRiAMVM1mAjPL.g1mAWAWj5i.qk.gNu03Xma3oTeu7Ny6ud3cwgqk4dmIbgIRPzQ-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 05:44:26 PDT Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 05:44:26 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <405395.29975.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: QUAD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=yC2-8yqNfQeE_wWNUgn5Ze_witzxDynuSWUZZbwbNrkZ7jhN4DkhBWc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio ....Anybody remember SQ quadraphonic discs?.... I was wondering, isn't the SQ and QS formats the same decoding scheme, or not? Can't you use the original Dolby Surround to decode them now? IIRC, you could also decode the SQ/QS records if they were broadcast over an FM stereo station? CD4 was the RCA bastard format? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From droland66@yahoo.com Fri Oct 19 10:05:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82262 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2007 17:05:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2007 17:05:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.218) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2007 17:05:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2007 17:05:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2007 17:05:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:05:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.218 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.62.179.16 From: "david roland" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Vinyl CD? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=BA9aOvwSlhTBl_PSo48X4UFxpa3C87fchWlmBjcQb-rT8Ue8 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "djjayarnold"=20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com,=20 > george russell wrote: > > Anybody remember SQ quadraphonic discs? > > The rear channels were recorded with 90-degree phase > > shifts, so the stylus actually went in circles, > > helically, one way for left rear, other way for right. >=20 > I have about 300 of the SQ discs, a few of the equally- > weird QS and several of the CD-4 quad discs that needed > a special cartridge, of which the more-recent Audio-Technica > 155-LC or 140-LC do nicely as a Shibata-type stylus... >=20 > > Talk about weird forgotten formats... >=20 > Amen...but at least the SQ mixes were fun to hear... >=20 > And the Sly And The Family Stone Greatest Hits SQ disc > is worth lotsa bucks, because unlike the rechanneled > stereo mixes on the "stereo" LP version, not only were > all the tracks on the SQ disc were in true stereo, they=20 > were in true matrix-Quad! The mono-compatibility was a > problem, just like on those 1990-era "Q-Sound" CDs... >=20 > On my old oldies show "The Goldvine", I routinely snuck > on an old SQ or QS disc, just to see if people noticed > any difference. >=20 > I know how they sound in AM Stereo from that "GoldVine" > experience (awesome!); I wonder how much differently those=20 > discs would sound in Hybrid Digital AM or FM? > --jay > "I wonder how much differently those=20 discs would sound in Hybrid Digital AM or FM?" probaby good in digital FM and not so good in digital AM. the=20 digital codec for digital AM is annoying (at least to me). the bit- rate is just too low. coax From mtgc@hotmail.com Fri Oct 19 10:16:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97136 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2007 17:16:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2007 17:16:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s12.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.212) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2007 17:16:17 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.19.49]) by bay0-omc3-s12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:15:33 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:15:26 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.19.200 by by109fd.bay109.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:15:24 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <405395.29975.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:15:24 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2007 17:15:26.0792 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4596480:01C81273] Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" Subject: RE: {AMSF} QUAD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=RtLevEAObhkzUwwie8Yxs9wiyUCbZLMyALPGs_ZVcHz6mjl22dnu X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 SQ and QS were two different matrix ways to encode 4 channels of sound into a stereo format. If you want all the information concerning the differences between these two formats, go to: http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/ Also, there were attempts by FM stereo stations, back in the 70's to broadcast these matrix encoded 4 channel records. MTGC (Michael) >From: "John P." >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} QUAD >Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 05:44:26 -0700 (PDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 >X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com >Received: from n32b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com ([209.131.38.212]) by >bay0-mc1-f12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, >19 Oct 2007 05:44:28 -0700 >Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n32.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 >Oct 2007 12:44:27 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct >2007 12:44:27 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.67.108] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 >Oct 2007 12:44:27 -0000 >X-Message-Delivery: Vj0zLjQuMDt1cz0wO2k9MDtsPTA7YT0w >X-Message-Info: >R00BdL5giqqGP4p/xzC4qsZqbeQpc9V/PQFyFHRnUuqlsbvXt4TU5DlnOtIwXa7z7oFAM2lQwWa+xpk/gRcUBw== >Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; >d=yahoogroups.com;b=RVcESGIZplIdi2PubxGOX0LBVQAYSJcZMd7rY+4QIColDjTpHKqjJCDEb3EzuEswMw2Bbvr8RNYNQFMbZc79gdhbDxrMXsznYYQuhlQ1+gqzzBbyMNutdAgGqh6XvcNu; >X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 4085512-m26109 >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >X-Received: (qmail 48727 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2007 12:44:27 -0000 >X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with >QMQP; 19 Oct 2007 12:44:27 -0000 >X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) >(68.142.206.150) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2007 >12:44:26 -0000 >X-Received: (qmail 30540 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Oct 2007 12:44:26 -0000 >X-YMail-OSG: >50VRiAMVM1mAjPL.g1mAWAWj5i.qk.gNu03Xma3oTeu7Ny6ud3cwgqk4dmIbgIRPzQ-- >X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; >Fri, 19 Oct 2007 05:44:26 PDT >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 >X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >List-Id: >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-ff-m >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-26109-1192797867-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2007 12:44:28.0308 (UTC) >FILETIME=[C9899D40:01C8124D] > >....Anybody remember SQ quadraphonic discs?.... > >I was wondering, isn't the SQ and QS formats the same decoding scheme, >or not? Can't you use the original Dolby Surround to decode them now? >IIRC, you could also decode the SQ/QS records if they were broadcast >over an FM stereo station? > >CD4 was the RCA bastard format? > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com From djjayarnold@yahoo.com Fri Oct 19 10:55:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: djjayarnold@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56439 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2007 17:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2007 17:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.119) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2007 17:55:01 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2007 17:54:58 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2007 17:54:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2007 17:54:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:54:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <405395.29975.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.119 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.121.52.2 From: "djjayarnold" Subject: Re: QUAD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317204437; y=N45nWrYPI03A2QGXUAh4VvpVgSPzxtaHbG9xMSLFzU0TO5BzR-I X-Yahoo-Profile: djjayarnold --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com,=20 "John P." wrote: > I was wondering, isn't the SQ and QS formats the same=20 > decoding scheme, or not? Can't you use the original=20 > Dolby Surround to decode them now? Yes - so says someone who has a Dolby Surround System, though the results may differ compared to the 1970s "Full Logic SQ" or "Space And Image Composer" decoders... > IIRC, you could also decode the SQ/QS records if they=20 > were broadcast over an FM stereo station? Yes...though they differ in decoding (supposedly, QS was closer to discrete quad compared to SQ, but I don't agree),=20 if you have an SQ or QS decoder, any such disc played on FM can be decoded for matrix 4-channel... FYI, I did a test one Saturday night on KVYN years ago=20 with a Lafayette SQ-Full Logic decoder, and Janis Joplin,=20 Sly And The Family Stone and Simon and Garfunkel sounded awesome in SQ!=20 > CD4 was the RCA bastard format? Yup - noble intent, but difficult to reproduce on radio; a subcarrier, usually from another station, was needed to rebroadcast the rear channels. Witness San Francisco's=20 KIOI 101.3, when James Gabbert - so I am told - had to=20 use then 94.9 KSAN's subcarrier for rear-channel playback... KIOI was reportedly the first discrete-quad station in the=20 U.S., so said Ken Sessions in his book "4-Channel Stereo: From Source To Sound".... --jay From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Oct 19 14:12:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47497 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2007 21:12:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2007 21:12:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.202) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2007 21:12:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 73316 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Oct 2007 21:12:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: mMQFEXsVM1nyoDrMtCAEOQaKhdOp2EwLAXveRBEp12sIxQqfFwx1YYp4JEK4UMDQ0e.6IxWxT6yo.SJNvUraTiiMPpMocDNJT2r_oyp9NfZCO7U9vp0- Received: from [24.192.186.246] by web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:12:08 PDT Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:12:08 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <405395.29975.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <910382.72198.qm@web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} QUAD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=Nb_H8RUfWb-ACslo8NyYed0aTic3AbgL2zvfxG3SuW0SbA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Well, QS and SQ were similar, in that they matrixed, but SQ was better seperated L to R, whereas QS was evenly distributed L-R and F-B. Also, center rear was very hard to do with SQ, the un-corrected sound field rahter resembled a tooth, with a big gap in rear center. QS was nice in that it was "hyper-compatable", that is a QS record played on a regular stereo could have sounds outside the speaker area (virtual surround), and a regular record played thru a QS decoder could sound "quadish", as any out of phase sounds tended to be in the rear. This worked well on a lot of live records, with the applause all over the room. (The formulae for these matrices are out there somewhere on the web) CD-4 had ultrasonic sub-carriers recorded along with Lt and Rt. The carriers center frequency was 30 kHz, and each was FMed with F-B. As the carriers could reach 45 kHz. at full modulation, it took a VERY good cartridge to play it, and a special stylus to (a) follow the high frequency stuff accurately, and (b) not destroy it! But when working properly, it was as close to quarter-track tape as you could get on a turntable. Goerge --- "John P." wrote: > ....Anybody remember SQ quadraphonic discs?.... > > I was wondering, isn't the SQ and QS formats the > same decoding scheme, > or not? Can't you use the original Dolby Surround > to decode them now? > IIRC, you could also decode the SQ/QS records if > they were broadcast > over an FM stereo station? > > CD4 was the RCA bastard format? > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Oct 19 19:07:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12220 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2007 02:07:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2007 02:07:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2007 02:07:45 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.194] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071019210711101967900004> for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:07:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <006401c812bf$4a0d53a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:07:11 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Service Manual Wanted for MCS 3050 Am Stereo FM Stereo tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=AyKqwBI98R0gGs-6pZ2noSqhIrMygd6aOTvKXONsO5h5JHiYYMyT X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lacking a complete model number I'll let you search here- http://www.servicemanuals.net/service.aspx Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Patoray Recent Activity a.. 1New Members b.. 14New Photos c.. 1New Files Visit Your Group Sell Online Start selling with our award-winning e-commerce tools. Moderator Central An online resource for moderators of Yahoo! Groups. Cat Groups on Yahoo! Groups Share pictures & stories about cats. . Hi all, I just picked up a MCS AM Stereo FM stereo tuner. I want to get it aligned, and a local HiFi shop (Audio Arts for those of you near Youngstown OH), and I need a service manual to get it done. Any help would be appreciated, Matt Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! 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Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1081 - Release Date: 10/19/07 5:41 PM --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Oct 20 22:54:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74234 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2007 05:53:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2007 05:53:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.169) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2007 05:53:54 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2007 05:53:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2007 05:53:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2007 05:53:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 05:53:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <910382.72198.qm@web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.97 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} QUAD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=8EwU_U4YEHhvGTiapr5ntG7QUL1NpKCyXZaJfL6N-G4gLFmtmQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell =20 wrote: > > Well, QS and SQ were similar, in that they matrixed, > but SQ was better seperated L to R, whereas QS was > evenly distributed L-R and F-B. ----- cut----- HI GANG!!! I think the central issue is/was the vinyl records were and still=20 are ANALOG SOUND sources and the analog sound has the best sound=20 available to our human ear system (who are always working in analog=20 mode, of course). But I want to remember you that any old/new vinyl record (and more=20 than one digital CD even) had/has another and better analog source:=20 the magnetic master tape!!! The pure original sound was always in=20 those tapes. So, the "perfect" system to the "new" digital world would be: 1) Get the original master tapes. 2) Translate it to the digital world (48000 samples per second - 24=20 bits per sample). 3) Process it (if it was necessary) in the digital world domain. 4) To save the work into your PC hard disk WITHOUT ANY OTHER=20 ARTIFACTS. Of course, I know it is almost impossible to get the original master=20 tapes because the excessive zeal of the recording houses. And it's=20 so fun because if they have the originals, why they don't put all=20 their stock in the CD market? (remember there is a lot of old=20 records without a CD version even). I think the old vinyl records industry is better than the CDs but=20 not due to the sound, but the fact that is very easy to copy a CD to=20 another CD, without degradation; but is almost impossible to copy a=20 vinyl record to another vinyl record in your home, because a vinyl=20 recording machine is so expensive. So, the recording houses, to=20 avoid the piratery, maybe are thinking to back to the vinyl because=20 that reason, maybe. HAHAHAHA!!! Back to the radio world, the most important part of the history is=20 (and was) the analog radio technology has been able to transmit all=20 the formats, from the first analog source (the mike) to the ultimate=20 digital artifact (the MP3, MP4, AC3, WMA, etc files) without=20 problems, and for decades!!! LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG RADIO!!! The only question I have if about the FM analog and the QUAD world:=20 If we know the FM channel wide is enough to put more than 2 separate=20 audio channels (L+R, L-R and, at least, two SCA), why nobody used=20 this characteristic to get 4 separate audio channels (not=20 matrix)? ??? I think, if we can change the time and get a legal analog ISB AM=20 Stereo, maybe, only MAYBE, we can "play" with the phase modulation=20 technology to get 4 separate audio channels in AM (matrix system, of=20 course). But... we know it's illegal now. But, knowing the risk to be called "a full stupid guy", I think it's=20 absolutely posible to transmit C-QUAM AM Stereo and, at the same=20 time, ISB AM Stereo (because the envelope part of the C-QUAM is mono=20 so we can use the ISB technology there and the C-QUAM decoder still=20 works so fine). So, my "QUAD" idea isn't so stupid at all: the=20 quadrature part of the C-QUAM system actually carries the L-R and=20 the L+R audio matrix. If we change it by another matrix (like the SQ=20 matrix), we could get 4 separate channels in the other end of the=20 chain (the tuner). Well, it's just a preliminar idea. If you want to=20 depurate it... GO AHEAD!!! Let the digital world to the studio and cable systems. Let the AM=20 band, with analog stereo sound, in peace... for a while... until a=20 future "infallible" digital system. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From robert.w.welch@att.net Sat Oct 20 23:09:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57404 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2007 06:09:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2007 06:09:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.215) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2007 06:09:56 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2007 06:09:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2007 06:09:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2007 06:09:56 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 06:09:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <47177C97.3070608@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: FWD: "The Tick"- Clear Channel's NEW WWV! 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Ross > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 5:41:21 PM > Subject: "The Tick"- Clear Channel's NEW WWV! >=20 > Hope you guys enjoy this... just what we need to spice that time=20 signal > up.. >=20 > http://www.lownoiserecords.com/wwv_the_tick.html > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Oct 21 02:53:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85103 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2007 09:53:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2007 09:53:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.202) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2007 09:53:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 46440 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Oct 2007 09:53:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: b9iBAy0VM1lrNMRaOlkyFfVVNnb7RPaCMhTRsRrm95O9FH25dSZVpkOK3mh8CrVsp9_dMESqo64xH0X2hNlWjZLGZsBnNsPS3zM8H2Q7Mo_aTO79Mh4- X-Received: from [24.192.186.246] by web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 02:53:45 PDT Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 02:53:45 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <189161.46428.qm@web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} QUAD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=NXM7crOy-CJkmXQM1FjX_BSfOAK-wBHTru86UPN4l3ATzQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Wow! There is a lot to agree with there! Long live Analog AM, amigo! As far as FM Quad goes, I believe a prototype WAS developed, and that the front-back information was carried on subcarriers that lay where the SCA is usually put. Of course, most FM stations that are running SCAs (often elevator music, hah-hah!) probably don't want to give up any RF real estate for a "free" function. Any matrix system, SQ, QS, RM, etc., can be broadcast over ANY stereo system, AM or FM, just by playing the matrixed record or tape on air. When I lived in Dayton, Ohio, our local rock FM, WTUE, actually did this for a while, and called themselves "Quad 105". Also WWWW ("W4") in Detroit, and several other stations did this. Once in a while I still see a receiver that feeds the FM's stereo audio thru the quad decoder(s). Because the quad information is in the form of phase shifts between two AUDIO channels, it fits just fine with no extra RF spectrum space. However, DISCRETE (non-matrixed) quad requires more. I suppose if you want to split hairs, ALL stereo radio is matrixed, L and R become L+R and L-R, and that is called a 2-2-2 matrix...it starts as two channels, is transmitted as 2 channels, and decoded back into two channels. Matrix quad, on the other hand, is a 4-2-4 matrix, with the code carried in only two channels. The more channels the code is actually carried in, as compared to the starting and ending number of channels, the better the seperation can be. (In theory, with perfect circuits and such, both AM stereo and FM stereo could have infinite seperation, but alas, this is the real world, hah-hah!) I believe, (don't hold me to this...it's been a long time!), that one proposed FM quad system was 4-3-4. The four channels, LF, RF, LB, and RB, became LB+RB+LF+RF for the mono component, (LB+LF)-(RB+RF) for the 38 kHz. stereo subcarrier (for compatibility), and (LF+RF)-(LB+RB) for the quad subcarrier, out at 76 kHz, where the "elevator music" usually hides. (notice 38 and 76 are both multiples of 19...one pilot fits all!) So you had a mono sum, a left-right difference signal, and a front-back difference signal...4-3-4. If I screwed up that math, sorry, it's late, and like I said, it was years ago. Maybe a CE out there remembers and can correct anything I wrote wrong? As far as C-QUAM and ISB on the same carrier, I don't think it would work, simply because the phase can't be at two different angles at the same time...this is why C-QUAM and IBOC are mutually exclusive. When you receive ISB, the L and R are indeed on seperate sidebands, but to PUT them there involves phase shifting, and the Kahn exciter DOES phase modulate the RF going into the transmitter. But you really have gotten me thinking, now! Perhaps there IS a way to run four discrete channels on one AM carrier...ummm, delicious food for thought! (Maybe a real engineer out there has some ideas?) I'm going to mull that one over for a while... Yes, I too would love to see AM stay analog, preferably in stereo, and I will admit SOME of it may be nostalgic. BUT, IBOC in it's present state takes up too much spectrum, can't cope with much skywave fading, and 5 kHz. is too low a limit, even for this old fogey's ears, IMHO. And despite the naysayers, there IS music on AM...it's not ALL talk. C-QUAM has improved over the years, and just tonight, here in Detroit, I was listening to KCJJ, IN STEREO, from Iowa, several hundred miles away, on a ye olde Sony portable...in my basement! Years ago, I used to listen to WOWO on drives from Detroit to Cincinnati, usually in stereo. (Ahh, good old Magnavox PMX...smart, VERY smart!) From my own experience, a good receiver can pick up the stereo almost as far as the mono (bigger "foot print"), a REAL problem with IBOC. AM in ten years? Might be all digital by then, but there will always be a few low-power(?) operators that will keep the ANALOG Modulation in amplitude modulation. (and hopefully a wee bit o' phase shiftin', too.) Ahoy, ye pirates! BTW, If you want to read what a real champion of analog AM is up to, go to Leonard Kahn's site, and read his "Wrath of Kahn" news letters. No matter whether you hated or loved his ISB, this guy is fighting a tough battle to keep AM neat and tidy, and has a bandwidth-friendly alternative to IBOC called CAM-D. You GO, Leonard!!! Cheers, George --- jotape1960 wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > > wrote: > > > > Well, QS and SQ were similar, in that they > matrixed, > > but SQ was better seperated L to R, whereas QS was > > evenly distributed L-R and F-B. > > ----- cut----- > > HI GANG!!! > > I think the central issue is/was the vinyl records > were and still > are ANALOG SOUND sources and the analog sound has > the best sound > available to our human ear system (who are always > working in analog > mode, of course). > > But I want to remember you that any old/new vinyl > record (and more > than one digital CD even) had/has another and better > analog source: > the magnetic master tape!!! The pure original sound > was always in > those tapes. > > So, the "perfect" system to the "new" digital world > would be: > > 1) Get the original master tapes. > 2) Translate it to the digital world (48000 samples > per second - 24 > bits per sample). > 3) Process it (if it was necessary) in the digital > world domain. > 4) To save the work into your PC hard disk WITHOUT > ANY OTHER > ARTIFACTS. > > Of course, I know it is almost impossible to get the > original master > tapes because the excessive zeal of the recording > houses. And it's > so fun because if they have the originals, why they > don't put all > their stock in the CD market? (remember there is a > lot of old > records without a CD version even). > > I think the old vinyl records industry is better > than the CDs but > not due to the sound, but the fact that is very easy > to copy a CD to > another CD, without degradation; but is almost > impossible to copy a > vinyl record to another vinyl record in your home, > because a vinyl > recording machine is so expensive. So, the recording > houses, to > avoid the piratery, maybe are thinking to back to > the vinyl because > that reason, maybe. HAHAHAHA!!! > > Back to the radio world, the most important part of > the history is > (and was) the analog radio technology has been able > to transmit all > the formats, from the first analog source (the mike) > to the ultimate > digital artifact (the MP3, MP4, AC3, WMA, etc files) > without > problems, and for decades!!! > > LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG RADIO!!! > > The only question I have if about the FM analog and > the QUAD world: > If we know the FM channel wide is enough to put more > than 2 separate > audio channels (L+R, L-R and, at least, two SCA), > why nobody used > this characteristic to get 4 separate audio channels > (not > matrix)? ??? > > I think, if we can change the time and get a legal > analog ISB AM > Stereo, maybe, only MAYBE, we can "play" with the > phase modulation > technology to get 4 separate audio channels in AM > (matrix system, of > course). But... we know it's illegal now. > > But, knowing the risk to be called "a full stupid > guy", I think it's > absolutely posible to transmit C-QUAM AM Stereo and, > at the same > time, ISB AM Stereo (because the envelope part of > the C-QUAM is mono > so we can use the ISB technology there and the > C-QUAM decoder still > works so fine). So, my "QUAD" idea isn't so stupid > at all: the > quadrature part of the C-QUAM system actually > carries the L-R and > the L+R audio matrix. If we change it by another > matrix (like the SQ > matrix), we could get 4 separate channels in the > other end of the > chain (the tuner). Well, it's just a preliminar > idea. If you want to > depurate it... GO AHEAD!!! > > Let the digital world to the studio and cable > systems. Let the AM > band, with analog stereo sound, in peace... for a > while... until a > future "infallible" digital system. > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Oct 21 08:54:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3126 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2007 15:54:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2007 15:54:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n33b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.215) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2007 15:54:32 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n33.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2007 15:54:29 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2007 15:54:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2007 15:54:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 15:54:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <189161.46428.qm@web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.54 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} QUAD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=0jplFxgjvrQYWsqdOHdCvGTrMVTnHKGeqYv--NsFNnb6w-k8bg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell =20 wrote: > >=20 > As far as C-QUAM and ISB on the same carrier, I don't > think it would work, simply because the phase can't be > at two different angles at the same time...this is why > C-QUAM and IBOC are mutually exclusive. > When you receive ISB, the L and R are indeed on > seperate sidebands, but to PUT them there involves > phase shifting, and the Kahn exciter DOES phase > modulate the RF going into the transmitter. >=20 Hi Russell!!! Your mess is with the original Kahn ISB system. As you say, Kahn=20 used phase modulation to cancel the undesirable sidebands. I don't=20 agree with this system. There is another way to put ISB AM Stereo on=20 the air without use any phase modulation artifact: 1) You need a carrier (obviously) generator. 2) You need split this carrier into three separate ways: (a) To the Upper SideBand modulator (right audio channel). (b) To the Lower SideBand modulator (left audio channel). (c) To the final RF stage. 3) Both, the Upper and Lower SideBand modulators must be balanced=20 modulators (you eliminate the carrier from the way and just filter=20 the undesirable sideband). 4) When you get the two independent sidebands, you simple add the=20 carrier from (c). That's all!!! No phase modulation artifacts at all!!! OK, I admit there wasn't/isn't/won't be a perfect AM TX. So, any=20 kind of envelope modulation always has "something" from the phase=20 modulation world and vice versa. Sorry, we don't live in a perfect=20 world. Anyhow... the today TXs has enough "almost perfect"=20 specifications so I think it could be done without major problems. If we use the non-phase modulation technology to create ISB AM=20 Stereo then, theorically, we must to put it join with the C-QUAM=20 signal at the same time. The hit would be.. how to use the original L+R and L-R C-QUAM matrix=20 (in the phase modulation part of the system) to generate 4 discrete=20 audio channels!!! I think some engineer could answer it. Of course, it's just a conversation in the desert because we know=20 the only legal system is C-QUAM. I only put it here as an example of=20 one of those good things legally killed by the stupid authority (I=20 mean FCC). HAHAHAHA!!! A vey good question that had been done before here is: If the today FCC rules for the AM-IBOC system let digital "monkey=20 chattering" up to 15 kHz, WHY DON'T LET THE ANALOG AUDIO BANDWIDTH=20 UP TO 15 KHZ IN A NON-IBOC SYSTEM? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Oct 21 09:36:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19106 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2007 16:36:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2007 16:36:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2007 16:36:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 40412 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Oct 2007 16:36:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: InrC7Q4VM1kOAybmREYnhxWJ58MxMDVMVBjH2FzwUJYwWqjNi_vaiojG5mcOmbhW.kw3Kkq1bxn_qjmF871qIoPk3OVzFr940bhSyZaEGwG6zIcopck- Received: from [24.192.186.246] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 09:36:50 PDT Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 09:36:50 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <850060.40402.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} QUAD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=4ZX2DtBzQpINMVuXhSovdoRTHeV61XHCf0rT3edxcEAaHQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Juan, you sure know how to get my sleepy tiny brain up and running. Let's see if I follow your idea correctly... We can generate sidebands, much as the hams do today, by: creating the two sidebands with balanced modulators and filtering, then re-inserting the carrier? Hmmm, that would definitely work. Only thing I'm wondering about, though, those sidebands have to bear a certain phase relationship with the carrier to work OK with mono envelope detectors. ALL stereo methods phase-modulate the carrier before the AMing, so that this phase relationship still exists, thus the level of compatiblity with mono radios. You are sure right about one thing...the FCC can screw things up in royal style! When the FCC chose Magnavox, then caved under politcal and financial pressure, that certainly wasn't a smart move, IMHO. Much as C-QUAM improved over the years, I think PMX would have, too. The one station that stuck with "Maggie" to the bitter end, WOWO, certainly made improvements as time went on. Most people heard it through C-QUAM radios, as that was about all you could get, but even cross-coded like that WOWO sounded pretty good. As one of the guys who worked for Magnavox on the PMX project told me, "C-QUAM wasn't a technical victory for Motorola, it was a political one!"...I can't argue with him. Maybe some day the FCC will start making decisions (and sticking with them!) based on what their own engineers determine, rather than what the well-paid lobbyists pressure them into. We would ALL benifit from that!. They sure USED to, or we would have giant spinning color-filter wheels in front of our TV sets, instead of NTSC, which despite it's shoprtcomings, has served us well for over half a century. Even if all this talk of AM Quad is as you say, a "conversation in the desert", it IS very interesting, and I hope you are going to keep it rolling...you're doing my tiny tired brain a lot of good making me think about all this...thanks! gotta run, George --- jotape1960 wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > > wrote: > > > > > > As far as C-QUAM and ISB on the same carrier, I > don't > > think it would work, simply because the phase > can't be > > at two different angles at the same time...this is > why > > C-QUAM and IBOC are mutually exclusive. > > When you receive ISB, the L and R are indeed on > > seperate sidebands, but to PUT them there involves > > phase shifting, and the Kahn exciter DOES phase > > modulate the RF going into the transmitter. > > > > Hi Russell!!! > > Your mess is with the original Kahn ISB system. As > you say, Kahn > used phase modulation to cancel the undesirable > sidebands. I don't > agree with this system. There is another way to put > ISB AM Stereo on > the air without use any phase modulation artifact: > > 1) You need a carrier (obviously) generator. > 2) You need split this carrier into three separate > ways: > (a) To the Upper SideBand modulator (right audio > channel). > (b) To the Lower SideBand modulator (left audio > channel). > (c) To the final RF stage. > 3) Both, the Upper and Lower SideBand modulators > must be balanced > modulators (you eliminate the carrier from the way > and just filter > the undesirable sideband). > 4) When you get the two independent sidebands, you > simple add the > carrier from (c). > > That's all!!! No phase modulation artifacts at > all!!! > > OK, I admit there wasn't/isn't/won't be a perfect AM > TX. So, any > kind of envelope modulation always has "something" > from the phase > modulation world and vice versa. Sorry, we don't > live in a perfect > world. Anyhow... the today TXs has enough "almost > perfect" > specifications so I think it could be done without > major problems. > > If we use the non-phase modulation technology to > create ISB AM > Stereo then, theorically, we must to put it join > with the C-QUAM > signal at the same time. > > The hit would be.. how to use the original L+R and > L-R C-QUAM matrix > (in the phase modulation part of the system) to > generate 4 discrete > audio channels!!! I think some engineer could answer > it. > > Of course, it's just a conversation in the desert > because we know > the only legal system is C-QUAM. I only put it here > as an example of > one of those good things legally killed by the > stupid authority (I > mean FCC). HAHAHAHA!!! > > A vey good question that had been done before here > is: > > If the today FCC rules for the AM-IBOC system let > digital "monkey > chattering" up to 15 kHz, WHY DON'T LET THE ANALOG > AUDIO BANDWIDTH > UP TO 15 KHZ IN A NON-IBOC SYSTEM? ??? > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Oct 21 09:37:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60974 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2007 16:37:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2007 16:37:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2007 16:37:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 40447 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Oct 2007 16:37:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: fILF.0UVM1nyko9AkBf_g0vs5JNwINpTkcedGzp0SWpxddn2Vw3szd_4edDdWlt.Fvmjf3ktAyHk8OBcI_6Q0QKnhYqURIXNVisQkePEWfyMUk0ZOFI- Received: from [24.192.186.246] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 09:37:00 PDT Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 09:37:00 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <550025.40333.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} QUAD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=RBbYHvY2qUjil1uq8o6sZb670JqMDualgcKHgDSGnI15kQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Juan, you sure know how to get my sleepy tiny brain up and running. Let's see if I follow your idea correctly... We can generate sidebands, much as the hams do today, by: creating the two sidebands with balanced modulators and filtering, then re-inserting the carrier? Hmmm, that would definitely work. Only thing I'm wondering about, though, those sidebands have to bear a certain phase relationship with the carrier to work OK with mono envelope detectors. ALL stereo methods phase-modulate the carrier before the AMing, so that this phase relationship still exists, thus the level of compatiblity with mono radios. You are sure right about one thing...the FCC can screw things up in royal style! When the FCC chose Magnavox, then caved under politcal and financial pressure, that certainly wasn't a smart move, IMHO. Much as C-QUAM improved over the years, I think PMX would have, too. The one station that stuck with "Maggie" to the bitter end, WOWO, certainly made improvements as time went on. Most people heard it through C-QUAM radios, as that was about all you could get, but even cross-coded like that WOWO sounded pretty good. As one of the guys who worked for Magnavox on the PMX project told me, "C-QUAM wasn't a technical victory for Motorola, it was a political one!"...I can't argue with him. Maybe some day the FCC will start making decisions (and sticking with them!) based on what their own engineers determine, rather than what the well-paid lobbyists pressure them into. We would ALL benifit from that!. They sure USED to, or we would have giant spinning color-filter wheels in front of our TV sets, instead of NTSC, which despite it's shoprtcomings, has served us well for over half a century. Even if all this talk of AM Quad is as you say, a "conversation in the desert", it IS very interesting, and I hope you are going to keep it rolling...you're doing my tiny tired brain a lot of good making me think about all this...thanks! gotta run, George --- jotape1960 wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > > wrote: > > > > > > As far as C-QUAM and ISB on the same carrier, I > don't > > think it would work, simply because the phase > can't be > > at two different angles at the same time...this is > why > > C-QUAM and IBOC are mutually exclusive. > > When you receive ISB, the L and R are indeed on > > seperate sidebands, but to PUT them there involves > > phase shifting, and the Kahn exciter DOES phase > > modulate the RF going into the transmitter. > > > > Hi Russell!!! > > Your mess is with the original Kahn ISB system. As > you say, Kahn > used phase modulation to cancel the undesirable > sidebands. I don't > agree with this system. There is another way to put > ISB AM Stereo on > the air without use any phase modulation artifact: > > 1) You need a carrier (obviously) generator. > 2) You need split this carrier into three separate > ways: > (a) To the Upper SideBand modulator (right audio > channel). > (b) To the Lower SideBand modulator (left audio > channel). > (c) To the final RF stage. > 3) Both, the Upper and Lower SideBand modulators > must be balanced > modulators (you eliminate the carrier from the way > and just filter > the undesirable sideband). > 4) When you get the two independent sidebands, you > simple add the > carrier from (c). > > That's all!!! No phase modulation artifacts at > all!!! > > OK, I admit there wasn't/isn't/won't be a perfect AM > TX. So, any > kind of envelope modulation always has "something" > from the phase > modulation world and vice versa. Sorry, we don't > live in a perfect > world. Anyhow... the today TXs has enough "almost > perfect" > specifications so I think it could be done without > major problems. > > If we use the non-phase modulation technology to > create ISB AM > Stereo then, theorically, we must to put it join > with the C-QUAM > signal at the same time. > > The hit would be.. how to use the original L+R and > L-R C-QUAM matrix > (in the phase modulation part of the system) to > generate 4 discrete > audio channels!!! I think some engineer could answer > it. > > Of course, it's just a conversation in the desert > because we know > the only legal system is C-QUAM. I only put it here > as an example of > one of those good things legally killed by the > stupid authority (I > mean FCC). HAHAHAHA!!! > > A vey good question that had been done before here > is: > > If the today FCC rules for the AM-IBOC system let > digital "monkey > chattering" up to 15 kHz, WHY DON'T LET THE ANALOG > AUDIO BANDWIDTH > UP TO 15 KHZ IN A NON-IBOC SYSTEM? ??? > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Oct 21 14:17:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68313 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2007 21:17:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2007 21:17:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2007 21:17:36 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.55.116] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071021161658100628500004> for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:16:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001601c81429$15d5b1c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:16:58 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FWD: "The Tick"- Clear Channel's NEW WWV! 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Endurance Zone A Fitness Group about overall better endurance. . --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Oct 21 15:30:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8656 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2007 22:30:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2007 22:30:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.182.187) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2007 22:30:19 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.182.178] by n7.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2007 22:30:19 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.182.193] by t4.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2007 22:30:19 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2007 22:30:19 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 130938.52242.bm@omp107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 17627 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Oct 2007 22:30:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LDZ20LQVM1m7.bPxYkuGJiyK.yL0du_X3T39Q6S688ECT9gM68LWAaxwTTtMEzCG_xshNRmWr26Z3AwzHaYnc3xc_gxwyw7t_S8PsDWVGDBr X-Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 15:30:18 PDT Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 15:30:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <937568.4035.qm@web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.182.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} QUAD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=RdKU543LQabDstqvXt_GI9ixXQqVCk5a1YKWURWmjP_yuwaqqSxD X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Juan, Why not go 96/24 like DVD instead of 48/24? --- jotape1960 wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > > wrote: > > > > Well, QS and SQ were similar, in that they > matrixed, > > but SQ was better seperated L to R, whereas QS was > > evenly distributed L-R and F-B. > > ----- cut----- > > HI GANG!!! > > I think the central issue is/was the vinyl records > were and still > are ANALOG SOUND sources and the analog sound has > the best sound > available to our human ear system (who are always > working in analog > mode, of course). > > But I want to remember you that any old/new vinyl > record (and more > than one digital CD even) had/has another and better > analog source: > the magnetic master tape!!! The pure original sound > was always in > those tapes. > > So, the "perfect" system to the "new" digital world > would be: > > 1) Get the original master tapes. > 2) Translate it to the digital world (48000 samples > per second - 24 > bits per sample). > 3) Process it (if it was necessary) in the digital > world domain. > 4) To save the work into your PC hard disk WITHOUT > ANY OTHER > ARTIFACTS. > > Of course, I know it is almost impossible to get the > original master > tapes because the excessive zeal of the recording > houses. And it's > so fun because if they have the originals, why they > don't put all > their stock in the CD market? (remember there is a > lot of old > records without a CD version even). > > I think the old vinyl records industry is better > than the CDs but > not due to the sound, but the fact that is very easy > to copy a CD to > another CD, without degradation; but is almost > impossible to copy a > vinyl record to another vinyl record in your home, > because a vinyl > recording machine is so expensive. So, the recording > houses, to > avoid the piratery, maybe are thinking to back to > the vinyl because > that reason, maybe. HAHAHAHA!!! > > Back to the radio world, the most important part of > the history is > (and was) the analog radio technology has been able > to transmit all > the formats, from the first analog source (the mike) > to the ultimate > digital artifact (the MP3, MP4, AC3, WMA, etc files) > without > problems, and for decades!!! > > LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG RADIO!!! > > The only question I have if about the FM analog and > the QUAD world: > If we know the FM channel wide is enough to put more > than 2 separate > audio channels (L+R, L-R and, at least, two SCA), > why nobody used > this characteristic to get 4 separate audio channels > (not > matrix)? ??? > > I think, if we can change the time and get a legal > analog ISB AM > Stereo, maybe, only MAYBE, we can "play" with the > phase modulation > technology to get 4 separate audio channels in AM > (matrix system, of > course). But... we know it's illegal now. > > But, knowing the risk to be called "a full stupid > guy", I think it's > absolutely posible to transmit C-QUAM AM Stereo and, > at the same > time, ISB AM Stereo (because the envelope part of > the C-QUAM is mono > so we can use the ISB technology there and the > C-QUAM decoder still > works so fine). So, my "QUAD" idea isn't so stupid > at all: the > quadrature part of the C-QUAM system actually > carries the L-R and > the L+R audio matrix. If we change it by another > matrix (like the SQ > matrix), we could get 4 separate channels in the > other end of the > chain (the tuner). Well, it's just a preliminar > idea. If you want to > depurate it... GO AHEAD!!! > > Let the digital world to the studio and cable > systems. Let the AM > band, with analog stereo sound, in peace... for a > while... until a > future "infallible" digital system. > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 22 02:39:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36457 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2007 09:39:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2007 09:39:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.33) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2007 09:39:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2007 09:39:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2007 09:39:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:39:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.8.107.14 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: QUAD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=vlzl2BdJ_d3FwE1J4OAWiPh8PjKlth6ZXoXuLDS5aloyDgmyWaO_IscOJyaD2kqV8VKvitok X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell =20 > wrote: > > > >=20 > > As far as C-QUAM and ISB on the same carrier, I don't > > think it would work, simply because the phase can't be > > at two different angles at the same time...this is why > > C-QUAM and IBOC are mutually exclusive. > > When you receive ISB, the L and R are indeed on > > seperate sidebands, but to PUT them there involves > > phase shifting, and the Kahn exciter DOES phase > > modulate the RF going into the transmitter. > >=20 >=20 > Hi Russell!!! >=20 > Your mess is with the original Kahn ISB system. As you say, Kahn=20 > used phase modulation to cancel the undesirable sidebands. I don't=20 > agree with this system. There is another way to put ISB AM Stereo=20 on=20 > the air without use any phase modulation artifact: >=20 > 1) You need a carrier (obviously) generator. > 2) You need split this carrier into three separate ways: > (a) To the Upper SideBand modulator (right audio channel). > (b) To the Lower SideBand modulator (left audio channel). > (c) To the final RF stage. > 3) Both, the Upper and Lower SideBand modulators must be balanced=20 > modulators (you eliminate the carrier from the way and just filter=20 > the undesirable sideband). > 4) When you get the two independent sidebands, you simple add the=20 > carrier from (c). >=20 > That's all!!! No phase modulation artifacts at all!!! >=20 > OK, I admit there wasn't/isn't/won't be a perfect AM TX. So, any=20 > kind of envelope modulation always has "something" from the phase=20 > modulation world and vice versa. Sorry, we don't live in a perfect=20 > world. Anyhow... the today TXs has enough "almost perfect"=20 > specifications so I think it could be done without major problems. >=20 > If we use the non-phase modulation technology to create ISB AM=20 > Stereo then, theorically, we must to put it join with the C-QUAM=20 > signal at the same time. >=20 > The hit would be.. how to use the original L+R and L-R C-QUAM=20 matrix=20 > (in the phase modulation part of the system) to generate 4 discrete=20 > audio channels!!! I think some engineer could answer it. >=20 > Of course, it's just a conversation in the desert because we know=20 > the only legal system is C-QUAM. I only put it here as an example=20 of=20 > one of those good things legally killed by the stupid authority (I=20 > mean FCC). HAHAHAHA!!! >=20 > A vey good question that had been done before here is: >=20 > If the today FCC rules for the AM-IBOC system let digital "monkey=20 > chattering" up to 15 kHz, WHY DON'T LET THE ANALOG AUDIO BANDWIDTH=20 > UP TO 15 KHZ IN A NON-IBOC SYSTEM? ??? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > Hi Jaun Ansere FFC is stuped!!!!!! Jim S From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Oct 22 06:59:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72930 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2007 13:59:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2007 13:59:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.160) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2007 13:59:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22082 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Oct 2007 13:59:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Tspq2YsVM1l9MrDeK.BKEcy0u0xW14q4clr5BCPOfCYkSxxf6HJhmBIB.QHhQ.30pFjoC6Ojxg-- X-Received: from [209.213.18.122] by web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 06:59:36 PDT Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 06:59:36 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <34690.21940.qm@web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: QUAD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=iQkWU4HjmrLGxrLk1j7Ue2wkpr8L5UFFoIkG5YreQtk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jim smith wrote: > Hi Jaun Ansere FFC is stuped!!!!!! Jim S ?????????????????????????????????????????? Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Oct 22 07:04:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39427 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2007 14:04:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2007 14:04:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2007 14:04:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 98939 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Oct 2007 14:04:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: isZhdT4VM1mHun_iU2UykhEGxj1TcRKblJ4jAcjJzX.mcC6nimfgR8jzYwV_8EiUekWmLZSgmQ-- Received: from [209.213.18.122] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:04:27 PDT Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:04:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <621779.98894.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Ham TV X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=4pDSgA4W77svrD2qPas_UljTR4ISE3_nMZJjtGeC4vI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Do you know what frequency you received that on Dennis? Was it direct or from an ATV repeater? Now those questions answered, YOU DO know that you can use a "regular" analog TV set with a digital tuner to get those channels, right? Cable TV channels above 13 aren't the same as the regular UHF channels and some of them fall right into the Amateur 440 band allocation where some of the ATV and ATV repeaters reside. Just connect an external antenna to the terminals, and switch or keep the tuner in CATV mode. I saw a list showing what channels corresponded to what frequencies. In Houston there is an ATV repeater with high power that when there is a shuttle launch, get to carry NASA video. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From bratina501@msn.com Mon Oct 22 16:41:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65985 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2007 23:41:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2007 23:41:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.246) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2007 23:41:03 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2007 23:41:03 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2007 23:41:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2007 23:41:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 23:41:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <621779.98894.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.53.236 From: "Nicholas" Subject: Re: Ham TV X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=yYy56CEAEZ1atPRJrH_ccgWrwI343fQxsYr9v0pmR4AhfnpNCg X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > those channels, right? Cable TV channels above 13 > aren't the same as the regular UHF channels and some > of them fall right into the Amateur 440 band > allocation where some of the ATV and ATV repeaters that is correct, if I remember right those channels are 57-61 and those fall in the 70cm amateur radio band. This is a popular band for image communications and is the lowest one where this type of operation is permitted by FCC rules. Most ATV repeaters are crossband this means that the input is in one band and the output is in another band one such repeater I know of in Yakima Washington uses the 70cm band as the input and the 33cm band as the output. However with this idea there is a problem, ATV is not used everywhere in the country and in rural areas this type of operation can be non-existent which is the case where I am and even in urban areas or other places where ATV or fast-scan TV is used the activity is not very high in fact, ATV communications are few and far between. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 22 18:55:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99342 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2007 01:55:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2007 01:55:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.30) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2007 01:55:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2007 01:55:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2007 01:55:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:55:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <34690.21940.qm@web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.40.144.64 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: QUAD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=DalYQWuHtmuPv1MEcMjdL-zgxuab-_Tvwlcr9L6zOktaz5GjmCjD0Cj3of08E0I7c9tNdtxi X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > --- jim smith wrote: >=20 >=20 > > Hi Jaun Ansere FFC is stuped!!!!!! Jim S >=20 >=20 > ?????????????????????????????????????????? >=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > Hi Powell I seen you resonce to my responce and I laghed. What I was=20 saying to Jaun is that the fact that the FCC fliped there coin and=20 said insted of having less noise on AM band more noise and some thing=20 that done'nt work at night(IBOC). I was very tire when I typed=20 that last night. To SO CAL My hart and prairs go to the folks in SO=20 CAL. Jim Smith NOR CAL Neer Sacramento Ca From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Oct 22 23:14:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66753 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2007 06:14:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2007 06:14:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.214) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2007 06:14:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2007 06:14:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2007 06:14:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:14:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.23 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: QUAD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=DgdIrssCMpr33MVLsv7iB4wC6glroDO8iqzQ9VY8k0JLmzVlkA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Hi Gang!!! It's a very serious issue we're laughing with the FCC "good" rules!!! Unfortunately... we can't change the world (at least, the FCC world). Well, resuming some ideas: 1) About the 96000 samples per second and 32 bits per sample. I'm=20 and old man (47 years old), so my ears can't catch frecuencies above=20 12.5 kHz, IF... I can reach this upper limit (and I wonder if a=20 today "teenager" can do it with all those noisy MP3s in their ears)=20 so... why must I try to save something I won't hear? That's all=20 folks!!! hahahaha!!! OK, OK, OK, it's not a serious technical reason. I know. But it's a=20 practical reason: a 96000 samples per second/32 bits per sample=20 audio file is a VERY BIG file!!! If you can use 48000 samples per=20 second and 24 bits per sample... you'll save a lot of hard disk=20 space (and the sound is absolutely decent)!!! Of course, we must to remember the standard audio CD format is 44100=20 samples per second - 16 bits per sample, so... Sorry guys, I wasn't=20 consulted by the audio CD inventors, hahahahaha!!! 2) About the phase between the sidebands and the carrier. I'm not=20 sure about this, but the logical answer would be 0=BA (zero degrees)=20 of phase relationship, in a perfect AM system. The problem is about how to make a sideband filter with zero degree=20 of phase changing in all the bandwidth, is it possible? I don't know. In ham radio it doesn't matter because the distortion is a minor=20 issue. I'm not sure if a sideband filter could add a very hard phase=20 changing between a passive carrier and its sidebands (If it was the=20 case, we'll get a listenable distortion from time to time in SOME=20 mono tuners). BUT... if the tuner has balanced modulators (product detectors) used=20 as demodulators (where the carrier is eliminated) then this problem=20 doesn't matter again because the tuner would only use the sidebands. The C-QUAM decoder has enough internal circuits to avoid any=20 distortion in this matter. Of course, if we want to transmit C-QUAM and ISB at the same time,=20 the C-QUAM tuner only can demodulate the C-QUAM system. We must to=20 use an aditional circuit to get the ISB signal. The only one technical reason I know against the ISB AM Stereo=20 system (despite the way to create it) was and still is a practical=20 problem: when the background noise is audible, you hear different=20 noise (monkey chattering) in the left and right channel (because you=20 hear the upper and lower sidebands noise separately). But I don't know if it's a problem itself because it's the same with=20 a magnetic analog tape, a cassette analog tape, a vinyl analog disc=20 and, even, a live analog audio session because we're always hearing=20 different noises from the left and from the right because are=20 different things on the left and on the right side of the world!!! I don't know if it's better to hear all the channel noise in both=20 audio channels (as in C-QUAM). Not to me, at least. 3) About the QUAD recordings. It's absolutely truth any matrix=20 quadraphonic record can be put on the air in any kind of AM stereo=20 system. The problem was/is and still will be the poor separation of=20 the matrix system itself. I have an old Pioner QX-949A receiver, with an internal SQ matrix=20 decoder and I still have the only one SQ Matrix vinyl record I could=20 get in the quadraphonic age: "Climb Every Mountain" from the Mormom=20 Tabernacle Choir (CBS Records). Even today I try to get some another=20 effect than the reverb effect from the rear channels and... I just=20 get reverb!!! hahahaha!!! OK, guys, maybe it's just my specific recording case, maybe. But I=20 never heard something different from another guys with SQ matrix=20 recordings. Did you? If somebody could to use ISB to the stereo information and the phase=20 modulation to the front-rear separation... THAT GUY WOULD BE WORTHY=20 OF THE NOVEL AWARD!!! LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AM RADIO!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Oct 22 23:33:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55577 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2007 06:33:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2007 06:33:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.122) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2007 06:33:32 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2007 06:33:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2007 06:33:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2007 06:33:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:33:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.122 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.23 From: "jotape1960" Subject: C-QUAM AM Stereo Transmitter (Low Power) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=BT5NhhR704CKWfxefHdadT4S-ZsunkxqJLeUsvFiZQJRRXLSFg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI GANG!!! I just uploaded a file (MS-Word file), in the FILES (group left side)=20 Menu, with all the schematics to make a low power C-QUAM AM TX. It's from an old (and out of use) spanish (from Spain, the country, not=20 the language) web page. The only one thing I have to say about it is... I think the internal 3=20 bands audio limiter is absolutely unnecessary (because you can use an=20 external processor instead). My idea only. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From wa2fnq@optonline.net Tue Oct 23 09:47:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15565 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2007 16:47:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2007 16:47:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2007 16:47:15 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2007 16:47:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2007 16:47:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2007 16:47:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:47:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <621779.98894.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: Ham TV X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=kab5E1xze7iT9m7RKrjmIpbbaxe5TqwMnbxsSA7nTgjw X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Powell, Go to the ATV section on my web site at: http://www.wa2fnq.com/atv/atvdoc.htm You'll find a lot information on fast scan ATV there. Check out the pictures at: http://www.wa2fnq.com/atv/atvpic1.htm It's fun if there's a bunch of guys active in you area.=20 Unfortunately the activity has died down here. The repeater we used=20 in Connecticut went down after a lightning hit a few years ago and=20 was never fixed. We lost the World Trade Center repeater on 9/11.=20 Another repeater on the same frequency pair took it's place but went=20 off the air due to lack of interest. But some of us are still on the=20 air, working direct and having fun. BTW, all the repeaters were single band either 434 in/421.25 out or=20 439.25 in/426.25 out. 421.25 operation must be vestigal sideband=20 because it's next to the lower band edge. The Conneticut repeater=20 was crossbanded to 900 Mhz at one time but only one guy used that=20 feature. Jerry WA2FNQ =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > Do you know what frequency you received that on > Dennis? Was it direct or from an ATV repeater? Now > those questions answered, YOU DO know that you can use > a "regular" analog TV set with a digital tuner to get > those channels, right? Cable TV channels above 13 > aren't the same as the regular UHF channels and some > of them fall right into the Amateur 440 band > allocation where some of the ATV and ATV repeaters > reside. Just connect an external antenna to the > terminals, and switch or keep the tuner in CATV mode. > I saw a list showing what channels corresponded to > what frequencies. In Houston there is an ATV repeater > with high power that when there is a shuttle launch, > get to carry NASA video. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Oct 23 14:27:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70998 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2007 21:26:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2007 21:26:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2007 21:26:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 98118 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Oct 2007 21:26:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7SyWIrsVM1kl.57kQRGVl7jnWiK7y6mtVRLXmyu269U0TRpxMBeJioNo5CB46uSozCB6KKwrZxZG9Lla8ayWUjvWvsuK7Sq6lUak4A1Ty7M58g0sqSg- Received: from [24.192.186.246] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:26:54 PDT Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:26:54 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <285442.97551.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo Transmitter (Low Power) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=mj32Asr_909BLhvHjNNrJ6blW-ph0cBG6Feq5meQTI3j5g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Hi Juan! You don't need the limiter IF your external processor has a true peak limiter in it, preferably with a safety clipper after it. (A pair of Inovonics 222s would do nicely, and keep it inside the NRSC mask, also pre-emphisize it! Great unit, but I only have one right now) Best way to process for AM Stereo is as L-R, and L+R, with the two units "slaved" together to preserve stereo imaging when limiting occurs. A lot of stations allow the L+R to run high, so it still sounds loud in mono, but still limit the L-R to prevent decoder noise in the stereo receivers. The biggest problem with C-QUAM is allowing ONE side to go high by itself...about 70% is a safe limit. I don't know about you, but I sure wish Santa Claus would drop an Orban Optimod 9100B2 (gently) down my chimney and yours!!! I will be experimenting with external sum- and-difference processing soon...any big results, I'll let you know! Cheers, George --- jotape1960 wrote: > HI GANG!!! > > I just uploaded a file (MS-Word file), in the FILES > (group left side) > Menu, with all the schematics to make a low power > C-QUAM AM TX. > > It's from an old (and out of use) spanish (from > Spain, the country, not > the language) web page. > > The only one thing I have to say about it is... I > think the internal 3 > bands audio limiter is absolutely unnecessary > (because you can use an > external processor instead). My idea only. > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Oct 23 14:31:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86770 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2007 21:31:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2007 21:31:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.181) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2007 21:31:49 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2007 21:31:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2007 21:31:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2007 21:31:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:31:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.192.186.246 From: "wlx1430" Subject: PMX exciter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=W_gZKBhb8NXxUCbriTIjujF4JP22ZpcGt9diVBgOOqxsQQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Greetings! Does ANYBODY out there know of any surviving Continental 302-A Magnavox/PMX= exciters? One that might be for sale? Yeah, I know, Magnavox is a dead horse, but I have reasons for wanting to u= se it in my own=20 LPAM station. Also, that unit used a three-varactor circuit to do the phase modulating...= any one know the=20 details? ( I assume it was a voltage-controlled delay line of some type) I would love to copy the original design! Thanks in advance! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Oct 24 11:29:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12998 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2007 18:29:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2007 18:29:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2007 18:29:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 54223 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Oct 2007 18:29:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VhcypcQVM1kVfkqvSTmIKhyQJA2ZMmCwYzq9EUIr4tlMXXZiffseUtGIKqcaJ9TefsWGBvwZOb6eb2VV7L2Y2gpWY6stdqNAnjZt2MBeI.jNgGrt3RYfNT_okQ-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:29:51 PDT Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:29:51 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" Cc: amstereo-google MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <858398.54017.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: New CQuam Monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=4PgqipZ8XqNILRrn-ZDg2P2T-JvaNZef1ap8EqwrAiTB_QDVXoLRQQg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio HD-AM may be the best thing to happen to CQuam AM Stereo in a long time, as more NEW hardware is available than ever before. Here's another one: "Day Sequerra Introduces HD Radio-ready Mod Monitors Building on its M2 - M4 family of HD Radio precision tuners and monitors, Day Sequerra has announced the arrival of its new model M2A, an analog modulation monitor that is factory upgradeable to full HD Radio functionality matching the specifications of the company's M2.2 precision HD Radio monitor.... The M2A-AM includes an off-air AM measurement package with C-Quam AM stereo decoding. " Whaddaya think of that? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Oct 24 13:55:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3070 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2007 20:55:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2007 20:55:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.208) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2007 20:55:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 8104 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Oct 2007 20:55:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BdP.ZFwVM1nIhU8bD8thfqTKK.RkVsZGbkf7eTvt X-Received: from [24.192.186.246] by web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:55:37 PDT Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:55:37 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <280257.60922.qm@web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <375345.7585.qm@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Wrath of Kahn X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=e43c9pRDdlpq09ouSnLUnE88xqnhgtL7i_kzgHvzXEgG0w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Aye, and here's to two fine widebanders to hear it on! George --- "John P." wrote: > Long-live Kahn ISB AM Stereo! > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Oct 25 13:53:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76646 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2007 20:53:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2007 20:53:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2007 20:53:38 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.53.85] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071025155305100795900004> for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:53:05 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001301c8174a$6ffe1380$d503fea9@stodd> To: Cc: "amstereo-google" References: <858398.54017.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:53:05 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} New CQuam Monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=UCSGqIp3iojrMt8GzUsswvLzVNdAJtpRtM7FpvslNjeoS9KNd1hy X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm getting a distinct impression that one or more of the following is true- there's recognition of some die-hard AM stereo station owners; nervousness about a possible implosion of AM-HD; belief that there could be a resurgence of CQUAM in that event. Scott Todd PS- forgive me for not trimming the post- had my email program crash a couple times when I tried. ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: K.T. radio list AMS 2001 Cc: amstereo-google Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:31 PM Subject: {AMSF} New CQuam Monitor HD-AM may be the best thing to happen to CQuam AM Stereo in a long time, as more NEW hardware is available than ever before. Here's another one: "Day Sequerra Introduces HD Radio-ready Mod Monitors Building on its M2 - M4 family of HD Radio precision tuners and monitors, Day Sequerra has announced the arrival of its new model M2A, an analog modulation monitor that is factory upgradeable to full HD Radio functionality matching the specifications of the company's M2.2 precision HD Radio monitor.... The M2A-AM includes an off-air AM measurement package with C-Quam AM stereo decoding. " Whaddaya think of that? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 25 14:10:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37405 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2007 21:10:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2007 21:10:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n33b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.215) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2007 21:10:33 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n33.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2007 21:10:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2007 21:10:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2007 21:10:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:10:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001301c8174a$6ffe1380$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.16.134.116 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: New CQuam Monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=DtjepssZmr41ts05xJMRjTo8qxdWP7wzzapLAOUSFYDJp1JmzmH-nfzIMXEHJFkBkZv7mxnc X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > I'm getting a distinct impression that one or more of the following=20 is true- there's recognition of some die-hard AM stereo station=20 owners; nervousness about a possible implosion of AM-HD; belief that=20 there could be a resurgence of CQUAM in that event. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > PS- forgive me for not trimming the post- had my email program=20 crash a couple times when I tried. >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: John P.=20 > To: K.T. radio list AMS 2001=20 > Cc: amstereo-google=20 > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:31 PM > Subject: {AMSF} New CQuam Monitor >=20 >=20 > HD-AM may be the best thing to happen to CQuam AM Stereo in a long > time, as more NEW hardware is available than ever before. > Here's another one: >=20 > "Day Sequerra Introduces HD Radio-ready Mod Monitors=20 > Building on its M2 - M4 family of HD Radio precision tuners and > monitors, Day Sequerra has announced the arrival of its new model=20 M2A, > an analog modulation monitor that is factory upgradeable to full=20 HD > Radio functionality matching the specifications of the company's=20 M2.2 > precision HD Radio monitor....=20 >=20 > The M2A-AM includes an off-air AM measurement package with C-Quam=20 AM > stereo decoding. " >=20 > Whaddaya think of that? >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! --=20 http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Scott I can't wait!!!!!!! Jim Smith From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Oct 25 17:11:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59794 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2007 00:11:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2007 00:11:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2007 00:11:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 56904 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Oct 2007 00:11:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _Zekgn8VM1m9FgUj5UOIUbBM.02l2oFuG6ZCpwgHV7cs3WWy0mWnujInyAA.UFt.RQ-- X-Received: from [24.192.186.246] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:11:18 PDT Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:11:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001301c8174a$6ffe1380$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <88857.56202.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} New CQuam Monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=p2-8gKxf2fffAlEa2KDkBGK-Y3AxMdd99WflmQVvmkM_HA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Scott, I hope you are right on ALL THREE counts! George --- scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > I'm getting a distinct impression that one or more > of the following is true- there's recognition of > some die-hard AM stereo station owners; nervousness > about a possible implosion of AM-HD; belief that > there could be a resurgence of CQUAM in that event. > > Scott Todd > > PS- forgive me for not trimming the post- had my > email program crash a couple times when I tried. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John P. > To: K.T. radio list AMS 2001 > Cc: amstereo-google > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:31 PM > Subject: {AMSF} New CQuam Monitor > > > HD-AM may be the best thing to happen to CQuam AM > Stereo in a long > time, as more NEW hardware is available than ever > before. > Here's another one: > > "Day Sequerra Introduces HD Radio-ready Mod > Monitors > Building on its M2 - M4 family of HD Radio > precision tuners and > monitors, Day Sequerra has announced the arrival > of its new model M2A, > an analog modulation monitor that is factory > upgradeable to full HD > Radio functionality matching the specifications of > the company's M2.2 > precision HD Radio monitor.... > > The M2A-AM includes an off-air AM measurement > package with C-Quam AM > stereo decoding. " > > Whaddaya think of that? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Oct 25 22:38:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61341 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2007 05:38:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2007 05:38:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.190) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2007 05:38:23 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2007 05:38:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2007 05:38:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2007 05:38:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 05:38:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <88857.56202.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.93 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New CQuam Monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=CdB13hlRGDUz0XCWLGLyJ-2gVn5k6URibP7yPRxlgSy-frzmHA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell =20 wrote: > > Scott, >=20 > I hope you are right on ALL THREE counts! >=20 The best thing would be the whole AM band "resuscitation", despite=20 the technical system. But, let me question something: If HD (IBOC) system uses phase modulation to some digital part, Why=20 does it need to use another part in the envelope world? I mean: HD could use any kind of digital artifacts in the phase=20 modulation domain without use any in the envelope domain (so we=20 don't need any kind of audio bandwidth restriction neither the=20 transmission or reception parts and, theorically, we could use=20 analog ISB AM Stereo at the same time). ??????? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Oct 25 23:05:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32810 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2007 06:05:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2007 06:05:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.215) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2007 06:05:08 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2007 06:05:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2007 06:05:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2007 06:05:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 06:05:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <375345.7585.qm@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.93 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Wrath of Kahn X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=_ZLJovUt3RWeYYvqWWnfD0vTn0xy_U7Bf7oY4xhX48V3f__fwA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell =20 wrote: > > Aye, and here's to two fine widebanders to hear it on! >=20=20 > George > --- "John P." wrote: >=20 > > Long-live Kahn ISB AM Stereo! > >=20 > >=20 > > __________________________________________________ HI GANG!!! As I posted in another topic, the ISB AM Stereo could be used with=20 IBOC (or another) Digital system IF, only if, the digital components=20 modulate the carrier in the phase domain. The schematic would be something like that: ANALOG LEFT AUDIO IN ANALOG RIGHT AUDIO IN | | | | | | | CARRIER GENERATOR | | | | | | | LSB MODULATOR-----------------|-----------------USB MODULATOR | | | | | | LPF | HPF | | | | | | | DIGITAL IN | | | | | | | | | | | -------PHASE MODULATOR | | | | | | | -----------------------|------------------------ | | | FINAL OUTPUT Of course, the LSB and USB modulators must be balanced modulators to=20 eliminate the carrier from each circuit leg. OK, OK, OK, I know it's more complicated than the simple scheme=20 but... you understand the basis!!! It would work so fine IF, only if, you get a very good AM tuner=20 (even mono), because all the idea is based in one THEORICAL premise: "ANY AMPLITUDE MODULATION TUNER IS 'ABSOLUTELY' BLIND/DEAF TO ANY=20 PHASE OR FRECUENCY MODULATION." Unfortunately, we know it isn't true in some models. Unfortunately, again, the FCC rejected the ISB system years ago.=20 Maybe it could be a new chance? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Oct 26 14:05:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32810 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2007 21:05:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2007 21:05:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.206) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2007 21:05:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26438 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Oct 2007 21:05:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: U7lObbcVM1nGRtP.C1Z2O8_J6JI7YZHIzen9Pl5EuyldWriB2dHZpAa5nzkBxLznb6OrJbr5BWAyfbB.V53Wb5vjyEVpLfAv5ULRT04ayHT6i_MDSQe.M4GGm_CVLA-- X-Received: from [24.192.186.246] by web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:05:09 PDT Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:05:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <538977.21088.qm@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} New CQuam Monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=dLatkhabSktVSwjszLCbWd89eOHRQbi1N7mR5Q2RDThHzw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 From what I've heard, the digital part IS just quadrature modulation, but would that be two AM signals 90 degrees apart, or are the two signals in quadrature just alternated to produce a phase shift? HD=Hybrid Digital, analog and digital at the same time, but I'm not sure what exactly goes on in the PM domain...just that it prevents the use of C-QUAM!!! All I know about IBOC is I wish it would just go away, hah-hah! We have a local in Canada, on 580 kHz., that is messed up by 560's IBOC racket...maybe what happened in Mexico in the 30's will happen in Canada soon? I'd love it...CKLW running half a megawatt in stereo! (no law against dreaming, right?) ,George --- jotape1960 wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > > wrote: > > > > Scott, > > > > I hope you are right on ALL THREE counts! > > > > The best thing would be the whole AM band > "resuscitation", despite > the technical system. > > But, let me question something: > > If HD (IBOC) system uses phase modulation to some > digital part, Why > does it need to use another part in the envelope > world? > > I mean: HD could use any kind of digital artifacts > in the phase > modulation domain without use any in the envelope > domain (so we > don't need any kind of audio bandwidth restriction > neither the > transmission or reception parts and, theorically, we > could use > analog ISB AM Stereo at the same time). > > ??????? > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Oct 26 14:07:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47498 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2007 21:07:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2007 21:07:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2007 21:07:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 93576 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Oct 2007 21:07:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: yJgFzAAVM1mKaN6zeLgncMGGvss.zq49NfZvlq5J X-Received: from [24.192.186.246] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:07:11 PDT Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:07:11 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <647595.93338.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Wrath of Kahn X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=QFNtjf0Pp6FQ9rWHMZa5t5P6cRSUgwvypv2pu9bFwl_ITg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yup, blind to any PM...as long as it isn't using an envelope detector! --- jotape1960 wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > > wrote: > > > > Aye, and here's to two fine widebanders to hear it > on! > > > > George > > --- "John P." wrote: > > > > > Long-live Kahn ISB AM Stereo! > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > HI GANG!!! > > As I posted in another topic, the ISB AM Stereo > could be used with > IBOC (or another) Digital system IF, only if, the > digital components > modulate the carrier in the phase domain. > > The schematic would be something like that: > > ANALOG LEFT AUDIO IN ANALOG > RIGHT AUDIO IN > | > | > | > | > | > | > | CARRIER GENERATOR > | > | | > | > | | > | > LSB > MODULATOR-----------------|-----------------USB > MODULATOR > | | > | > | | > | > LPF | > HPF > | | > | > | | > | > | DIGITAL IN | > | > | | | > | > | | | > | > | -------PHASE MODULATOR > | > | | > | > | | > | > > -----------------------|------------------------ > | > | > | > FINAL OUTPUT > > Of course, the LSB and USB modulators must be > balanced modulators to > eliminate the carrier from each circuit leg. > > OK, OK, OK, I know it's more complicated than the > simple scheme > but... you understand the basis!!! > > It would work so fine IF, only if, you get a very > good AM tuner > (even mono), because all the idea is based in one > THEORICAL premise: > > "ANY AMPLITUDE MODULATION TUNER IS 'ABSOLUTELY' > BLIND/DEAF TO ANY > PHASE OR FRECUENCY MODULATION." > > Unfortunately, we know it isn't true in some models. > > Unfortunately, again, the FCC rejected the ISB > system years ago. > Maybe it could be a new chance? ??? > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ke7ief@aol.com Fri Oct 26 15:13:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70116 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2007 22:13:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2007 22:13:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2007 22:13:22 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d16.1a6ed5b7 (48339) for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:13:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from hank320a6cca48 (75-165-10-93.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.10.93]) by ciaaol-d03.mail.aol.com (v119.12) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD035-bcd3472266641d0; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:12:56 -0400 Message-ID: <8EDE4465A0684AB9A89E069EB67C6BBF@hank320a6cca48> To: References: <538977.21088.qm@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:12:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3205 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3205 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.10.93 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New CQuam Monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=VAZ0Bm_974gZNIyUtPiL_nO_FDLosG3Jd1OCmb1Rt2sooAVz_jjl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wish I could run a half of mega watt in stereo in the us what happened in the 30's in Mexico? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:05 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New CQuam Monitor From what I've heard, the digital part IS just quadrature modulation, but would that be two AM signals 90 degrees apart, or are the two signals in quadrature just alternated to produce a phase shift?=20 HD=3DHybrid Digital, analog and digital at the same time, but I'm not sure what exactly goes on in the PM domain...just that it prevents the use of C-QUAM!!! All I know about IBOC is I wish it would just go away, hah-hah! We have a local in Canada, on 580 kHz., that is messed up by 560's IBOC racket...maybe what happened in Mexico in the 30's will happen in Canada soon? I'd love it...CKLW running half a megawatt in stereo! (no law against dreaming, right?) ,George --- jotape1960 wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > =20 > wrote: > > > > Scott, > >=20 > > I hope you are right on ALL THREE counts! > >=20 >=20 > The best thing would be the whole AM band > "resuscitation", despite=20 > the technical system. >=20 > But, let me question something: >=20 > If HD (IBOC) system uses phase modulation to some > digital part, Why=20 > does it need to use another part in the envelope > world? >=20 > I mean: HD could use any kind of digital artifacts > in the phase=20 > modulation domain without use any in the envelope > domain (so we=20 > don't need any kind of audio bandwidth restriction > neither the=20 > transmission or reception parts and, theorically, we > could use=20 > analog ISB AM Stereo at the same time). >=20 > ??????? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 =20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Oct 26 16:52:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23420 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2007 23:52:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2007 23:52:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.182) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2007 23:52:18 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a25so1699848pyi for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:52:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.35.129.19 with SMTP id g19mr4001964pyn.1193442737645; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.94]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p57sm4577117pyb.2007.10.26.16.52.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47227DAD.8080505@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:52:13 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <538977.21088.qm@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8EDE4465A0684AB9A89E069EB67C6BBF@hank320a6cca48> In-Reply-To: <8EDE4465A0684AB9A89E069EB67C6BBF@hank320a6cca48> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} New CQuam Monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=xAWTG6hXC2y5kr2oD83n_cEFBGsp-ryDS6jIHJf_qLj8Lp44MJZucHbzKNZD0w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 hank smith wrote: > what happened in the 30's in Mexico? That was when the Super-Power "Border Blaster" stations came on the air with 500 KW+ along the American Border. XERF was the most famous of these broadcasting with the Twin of WLW's Transmitter. It broadcasted with WELL above the licensed 500 KW of power with a signal so strong, it could be heard clearly in Russia. This is the station "Wolfman Jack" rose to fame on, and several songs were written about it by Walls of VooDoo and ZZ-Top among others. XEROK is now being rebuilt and is an on again-off again project to return to Super-Power status. If that happens, you can kiss CKLW goodbye! Possum From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Oct 26 17:50:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81896 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2007 00:50:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2007 00:50:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.163) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2007 00:50:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 94602 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Oct 2007 00:50:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: iZA1CfgVM1myvA.bN7f_Sxpqq0iGlB1k.vd0k9NCg6cOuDMxg6lbqmI6cpxFw33ObustMsaLLA-- X-Received: from [209.213.18.75] by web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:50:17 PDT Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:50:17 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <538977.21088.qm@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <959667.94202.qm@web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New CQuam Monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=wxK2HFcZwEqK92OuA70zkzzwwPE6VlnSx2TK_Bhaw-A X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- george russell wrote: > HD=Hybrid Digital, analog and digital at the same > time, but I'm not sure what exactly goes on in the > PM > domain...just that it prevents the use of C-QUAM!!! HD does NOT stand for Hybrid Digital. It stands for NOTHING, or just HD. I think Ibiquity by using that, wants the association with High Definition ( and some idiots in their literature say that) to rub off from the TV side. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Oct 26 18:31:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30670 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2007 01:31:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2007 01:31:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2007 01:31:14 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.53.94] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071026203039101889500004> for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:30:39 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <007b01c8183a$61db7040$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <538977.21088.qm@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8EDE4465A0684AB9A89E069EB67C6BBF@hank320a6cca48> <47227DAD.8080505@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:30:39 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Border blasters- was: New CQuam Monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=oeueD0-KAa6wkwLFN0ly5vOCRw1ZWSt2RFc-PGaGdJuEU8CozbDx X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where did you hear that? From what I understand, Mexico has downgraded stations to 100kW day/50kW night, with the possible exception of a few signals in their national capital. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Possum Hunter XEROK is now being rebuilt and is an on again-off again project to return to Super-Power status. If that happens, you can kiss CKLW goodbye! Possum Recent Activity a.. 1New Files Visit Your Group Featured Y! Groups and category pages. There is something for everyone. Endurance Zone on Yahoo! Groups Communities about higher endurance. Yahoo! Groups Women of Curves Discuss food, fitness and weight loss. . --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Oct 26 19:00:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31549 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2007 02:00:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2007 02:00:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.180) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2007 02:00:37 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id p76so1703428pyb for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:00:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.35.116.12 with SMTP id t12mr4125674pym.1193450433831; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.94]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n67sm2467485pyh.2007.10.26.19.00.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47229BBD.5080000@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 21:00:29 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <538977.21088.qm@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8EDE4465A0684AB9A89E069EB67C6BBF@hank320a6cca48> <47227DAD.8080505@gmail.com> <007b01c8183a$61db7040$d503fea9@stodd> In-Reply-To: <007b01c8183a$61db7040$d503fea9@stodd> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border blasters- was: New CQuam Monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=2uUoaiXsPXhy_Vlv3IyNWbkfWNxcmxxUHefrzqVGYPc6LIqWSBM6IXmBxxa8tA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > Where did you hear that? From what I understand, Mexico has downgraded s= tations to 100kW day/50kW night, with the possible exception of a few signa= ls in their national capital. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XEROK-AM *XEROK-AM* is an AM =20 (mediumwave) radio station that is a Mexican=20 border-blaster=20 licensed to operate at a=20 power of 150 kW (150,000 watts) on a carrier frequency of 800 kilohertz=20 from Ciudad Ju=E1rez ,=20 Chihuahua . In the 1970s and=20 into the 1980s, this station was known as "X-Rock 80, The Sun City=20 Rocker" due to its proximity to El Paso, Texas=20 , U.S.=20 and its dial position on=20 analog-dial radios which would usually drop the last 0 in a frequency=20 (that's why the dial on some radios will at the end read "x10 kHz."=20 80x10=3D800.) Today since 1982 the station is known as "Radio Ca=F1on". Mor= e=20 recently, the station has been licensed to try Ibiquity's "H.D. Radio"=20 digital transmission system as it attempts to resume broadcasting at its=20 licensed power level instead of on lower power (as little as 500 watts.) http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/info?call=3DXEROK&service=3DAM *XEROK-AM Technical Info:* *Status * Mexican Radio Station *Area of Coverage * *View Coverage Map*=20 ,=20 *View Daytime Coverage Map*=20 ,=20 *View Nighttime Coverage Map*=20 =20 *Hours of Operation * Unlimited *Antenna Mode * Non-Directional - 1 Pattern *Transmitter Power * 150,000 Watts *Number of Towers * 1 *Transmitter Location * 31=B0 44' 16" N, 106=B0 29' 08" W=20 =20 *Daytime Transmitter Location * 31=B0 41' 40" N, 106=B0 23' 11" W=20 =20 *Nighttime Transmitter Location * 31=B0 41' 40" N, 106=B0 23' 11" W=20 =20 *Last FCC Update * December 20 2005 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Oct 27 12:54:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58220 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2007 19:54:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2007 19:54:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.208) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2007 19:54:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 86215 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Oct 2007 19:54:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1jPJriwVM1mDIMl9V5ZdsxNA8I6SDLxWhwA1Zd1foPim7muVuUuX9_V9KXTGtg7rqKOmLH3_GdljiL8AwhAr4IFvLprAgmyf1kv10bQ0UVCi0MDM2Po- X-Received: from [24.192.186.246] by web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 12:54:33 PDT Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 12:54:33 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <959667.94202.qm@web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <261968.85845.qm@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} New CQuam Monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=7K-UTS2n6ctL_J1MFBkkQbVImXPuWB2kihSmgP53UUlkow X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 You might be right, Powell...I'm just going by what I've read on some BE bulletin boards. I'm sure you're right about the "High Def" analogy, though, as one of our locals actually runs an ad comparing it to HD television...pretty under-handed, eh? George --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- george russell wrote: > > > HD=Hybrid Digital, analog and digital at the same > > time, but I'm not sure what exactly goes on in the > > PM > > domain...just that it prevents the use of > C-QUAM!!! > > > HD does NOT stand for Hybrid Digital. It stands for > NOTHING, or just HD. I think Ibiquity by using that, > wants the association with High Definition ( and > some > idiots in their literature say that) to rub off from > the TV side. > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Oct 27 13:25:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67188 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2007 20:25:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2007 20:25:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.205) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2007 20:25:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 47735 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Oct 2007 20:25:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: uVmrt8cVM1lYA6Pts1qy2d5HyJXEv1eCR9MM6vEIr.F._dvgywFJCNzu6CAXw2jQ89vZLCODVgM8.MUfl.bi76bsZhqVj9R4POzKiW86aKEMuTd8U7A- X-Received: from [24.192.186.246] by web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 13:25:10 PDT Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 13:25:10 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <47227DAD.8080505@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <411190.46785.qm@web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} border blaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=FCyG9453Dt_EZQSWD06O2DnLUwIjOjuYMyfScUkLoL2J8Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 True history of XERF...(I know there is one website written tongue-in-cheek, but with a few errors) Station started as XER, at 75 kW., by John R. Brinkley, shut down by Mexican government, later re-liscensed as XERA, with new Mexican ownership "on paper", power out from xmtr. was 500 kW., but dirrectional antenna resulted in e.r.p. of over a megawatt towards the US. Transmitter was no relation to WLW's RCA rig, which was actually a modulated linear driven by WLW's 50 kW. box running at 20 kW. XERA xmtr. was designed by James Weldon, founder of Continental Electronics, and was first high-power rig to use the Dougherty amplifier, which became the mainstay for all of Continental's big AM rigs...Ahh, long live the 317C! (Picture of the 8-foot tall W.E. triode from XERA is on the web, google "Mexican border blaster tube") XERA was shut down by Mexican government, several years later XERF was started (entirely un-related owner, but same building), using a 250 kW. RCA "Amplifuzz"...uh, sorry, that's Ampliphase, which later became quite troublesome. They are still liscensed at 250 K, but ran for years at 10 K or so. In September 2003, they finally bumped it up to 100 K with a new xmtr, in a new building near Ciudad Acuna. (I stayed up late that night, and actually caught the sign on... "XERF, la Poderosa...transmitiedo con cien mil watts de potencia", "XERF, the mighty one, transmitting with 100 kW. of power..." wish I had had a recorder running!) XEROK started life as XELO, at 150 kW., and in the 70's and 80's was "X-ROK 80", one heck of a great top-40 station, that bragged on-air about their nightime skywave signal...with every right! XEROK now has three brand new Harris Destiny 50 kW. boxes, they run one in the day (rotating them), and run all three together at night. Recently they installed new ground radials, and a new ATU. At night, when I'm near Lansing Michigan, not all that far from CKLW, they have actually been louder than CK!!! Viva Mexico and their BIG waves! Anybody really interested in Border Blaster history (fascinating stuff!), should check out the book "Border Radio"...full of all kinds of little gems and tidbits, not to mention a forward by the Wolfman himself... HAVE MERCY, BABY!!! George --- Possum Hunter wrote: > hank smith wrote: > > what happened in the 30's in Mexico? > > That was when the Super-Power "Border Blaster" > stations came on the air > with 500 KW+ along the American Border. > > XERF was the most famous of these broadcasting with > the Twin of WLW's > Transmitter. It broadcasted with WELL above the > licensed 500 KW of power > with a signal so strong, it could be heard clearly > in Russia. This is > the station "Wolfman Jack" rose to fame on, and > several songs were > written about it by Walls of VooDoo and ZZ-Top among > others. > > XEROK is now being rebuilt and is an on again-off > again project to > return to Super-Power status. If that happens, you > can kiss CKLW goodbye! > > Possum > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Oct 27 17:43:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72398 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2007 00:42:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2007 00:42:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.163) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2007 00:42:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 80428 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Oct 2007 00:42:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Ot7xDpYVM1k.Lgby7fn5Hiorbw456KkGLM.6SFpjHv97al8ucTBYgoRmKZ7wpmlwRwAioBQkWYHJknKub2w6rrbc0PgeOPvL7QJofUlGPHqruEjwW.s2Q.usP.qQxw-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 17:42:58 PDT Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 17:42:58 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <47229BBD.5080000@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <562068.80399.qm@web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border blasters- was: New CQuam Monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=EO54iUW-B83vHvdr38EekAKqw8I0Y6Li-TRGDIzmaeg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > > Where did you hear that? From what I understand, > Mexico has downgraded stations to 100kW day/50kW > night, with the possible exception of a few signals > in their national capital. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XEROK-AM Wikipedia has a history of being wrong. The North American plan ...Mexico, US and Canada allow for a MAX of 100,000 watts though the US and Canada stop at 50,000. Powell Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Oct 27 17:44:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43292 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2007 00:44:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2007 00:44:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2007 00:44:20 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 37400 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Oct 2007 00:44:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lPJKXeYVM1k7cLQNPIrq7FTb4lJzfc2ORRKw4f2X3GYdi4qM8n4Dsc9x_1fOY6c_v3ff4YxoNw-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 17:44:17 PDT Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 17:44:17 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <261968.85845.qm@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <335844.36532.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New CQuam Monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=-rxa8cDfRsX03-socHlZA68bIMslLLdzaA9mkdeTOsg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- george russell wrote: > You might be right, Powell...I'm just going by what > I've read on some BE bulletin boards. I'm sure > you're > right about the "High Def" analogy, though, as one > of > our locals actually runs an ad comparing it to HD > television...pretty under-handed, eh? George, I am actually suprized the HDTV folks have not sued over this insinuation..... :) Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Oct 27 21:31:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18947 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2007 04:30:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2007 04:30:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2007 04:30:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 58992 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Oct 2007 04:30:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Dlf4xNIVM1lqvVb5HI7YtjDyQGaiHGqggEvSa6u.xFWIY5x3C5spw8dFKmKy0cOedH_M_1pg5akA1PTg1ZJK9B0sr.JNctqN6je0vUYETrRBvOvyONJH_sisTK48oQ-- X-Received: from [24.192.186.246] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 21:30:22 PDT Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 21:30:22 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <335844.36532.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <404229.58904.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} New CQuam Monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=dOiFmGoI2gxfo0XxtsYYFre46fZ9BZa73aO58LDeH8kWwA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Hey, there's an idea! Maybe they should sue. It's not like Ibiquity couldn't afford a big settlement, hah-hah! George --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- george russell wrote: > > > You might be right, Powell...I'm just going by > what > > I've read on some BE bulletin boards. I'm sure > > you're > > right about the "High Def" analogy, though, as one > > of > > our locals actually runs an ad comparing it to HD > > television...pretty under-handed, eh? > > > George, I am actually suprized the HDTV folks have > not > sued over this insinuation..... :) > > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Oct 27 21:41:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20563 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2007 04:41:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2007 04:41:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.31) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2007 04:41:29 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2007 04:41:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2007 04:41:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 04:41:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <335844.36532.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.107 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New CQuam Monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=_l7Rt6RQfXsgJd_NsCQu1pcsat_Sb_xe7TVDgo7QvSURDakiCA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > George, I am actually suprized the HDTV folks have not > sued over this insinuation..... :) >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 And I'm so surprised it's called "High Definition" if it isn't!!! The "normal" definition digital TV screen is up to 720x480 pixels=20 (DVD standard). The new "High Definition" digital TV screen is up to=20 1440x1080 pixels (1080i standard). But I don't think it is worthy to=20 be called "High Definition" because you still can see the pixels!!! I think a really High Definition picture would be over 2880x1920=20 pixels, but I guess the inventors give up with this idea due the=20 over wide bandwith. It's the same in radio: a really great digital audio stream would be=20 48000 samples per second/16 bits per sample without compression.=20 Maybe it would be possible in VHF and UHF channels with a very wide=20 bandwidth, not in AM. So, again the same comment: LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AM RADIO!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Oct 27 21:49:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77672 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2007 04:49:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2007 04:49:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2007 04:49:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 65027 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Oct 2007 04:49:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ScnQBy4VM1kFFMCxVdCBhHlyTPC0Z2YsMY8yVB.Xi8uwtsjLjwo.bAwxc7LC_j5DVqiB_YWXV0ds_dCEvisM1tMx_DeCMb.csjX9xuKYLvfjC3WWSchxTxSQvQsZ4A-- X-Received: from [24.192.186.246] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 21:49:07 PDT Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 21:49:07 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <562068.80399.qm@web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <974194.64808.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border blasters- was: New CQuam Monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=tTdZB9X0LhJT-wkzHZO2Frw4ScXENX8S86yQlWGkrluRGA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 As of about 6 months ago, XERF was still liscensed for 250 kW., (it's listed as such on the FCC data base still) but running 100 kW., and XEROK was liscensed (and is currently running nights) 150 kW. At one time it actually made sense for Mexico to use high power, as a few stations had to render service to remote villages that couldn't support a local station. That was why XEB and XEW in Mexico City were big guns...When El Presidente speaks, he wants ALL the people to hear! (back in the 80's, XEROK had an old Collins R390 receiver for picking up presidential speeches and "La Hora Nacional" from XEB or XEW to re-broadcast.) Main reason XERF went up to 100 kW. was that IMER, sort of the Mexican NPR, was going to use it to reach expatriated Mexican folk in the US., replacing that service once on shortwave XERMX. Would've done a good job, too, as XERFs signal is easily readable way up in Cincinnati most nights! Recently, IMER let go, and it may be again in private ownership now. (Now, if I can just win the lottery...) OK, I better stop on this off-topic...sorry, next to AM Stereo, my biggest love/passion in the ether was/is the Mighty XEs...I've studied them for years! (I miss ya, Wolfman!) Buenos Noches! George --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > > scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > > > Where did you hear that? From what I > understand, > > Mexico has downgraded stations to 100kW day/50kW > > night, with the possible exception of a few > signals > > in their national capital. > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XEROK-AM > > > Wikipedia has a history of being wrong. > > > The North American plan ...Mexico, US and Canada > allow > for a MAX of 100,000 watts though the US and Canada > stop at 50,000. > > > Powell > > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Oct 27 21:51:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65303 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2007 04:51:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2007 04:51:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2007 04:51:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 88871 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Oct 2007 04:51:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: TqtsmJEVM1mjX8nr4IeLs00SxwAlUmay.K5omcy6RtMOEu0YGb1uoGhlPhKwJhDnKLY1UpQPoFpyJk7LCteKRjztcgH3eR1_rKoDSM0T2WYagDIoRWGmp4CuUWmocg-- X-Received: from [24.192.186.246] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 21:51:51 PDT Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 21:51:51 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <747667.88766.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} New CQuam Monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=QiJWOk1rmdlGetmgg5DQFpAb1Ntd6fKfbZxiw41NXSAZ7w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Wanna see REAL high def pictures? 70 mm. film running sideways! IMAX...wouldn't ya just love to have THAT in the living room? --- jotape1960 wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > > > > George, I am actually suprized the HDTV folks have > not > > sued over this insinuation..... :) > > > > > > Powell > > > > And I'm so surprised it's called "High Definition" > if it isn't!!! > > The "normal" definition digital TV screen is up to > 720x480 pixels > (DVD standard). The new "High Definition" digital TV > screen is up to > 1440x1080 pixels (1080i standard). But I don't think > it is worthy to > be called "High Definition" because you still can > see the pixels!!! > > I think a really High Definition picture would be > over 2880x1920 > pixels, but I guess the inventors give up with this > idea due the > over wide bandwith. > > It's the same in radio: a really great digital audio > stream would be > 48000 samples per second/16 bits per sample without > compression. > Maybe it would be possible in VHF and UHF channels > with a very wide > bandwidth, not in AM. > > So, again the same comment: > > LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AM RADIO!!! > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Nov 01 19:06:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2513 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2007 02:06:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2007 02:06:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2007 02:06:54 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2007 02:06:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2007 02:06:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2007 02:06:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 02:06:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.101.103 From: "Kevin T." Subject: New Best Buy stereo has C-Quam AM Stereo -- but it's a lemon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=X3G8n9mmCWGxZRavBkLtW7Nxb3wYYYS2NO-QEEST4zxxI0KvsA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Best Buy is now selling a small bookshelf stereo system with HD Radio=20 from their house brand "Insignia" for $149.99. Like many HD radios,=20 it includes support for C-Quam AM Stereo, and at that price it seems=20 like a good deal -- but as my experience shows, it is unfortunately a=20 very poorly designed piece of equipment. Here's a discussion on another forum which includes my review, and a=20 photo of the tuner's display showing 1580 kHz AM being received in=20 Stereo: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=3D925453 p.s. I will not be including this model on my web site's list of AM Stereo receivers because although its AM reception is actually=20 quite decent by modern standards, it is such a frustrating and=20 disappointing radio to use that I would never recommend it to anyone. From ke7ief@aol.com Thu Nov 01 19:36:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11578 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2007 02:36:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2007 02:36:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2007 02:36:57 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cf3.1e5c6d0e (52420) for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 22:36:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from hank320a6cca48 (75-165-49-123.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.49.123]) by ciaaol-m06.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM063-ccc4472a8d40331; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:36:49 -0400 Message-ID: <644097D1D64D4175AF264999550C85D6@hank320a6cca48> To: References: Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 19:36:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3205 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3205 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.49.123 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Best Buy stereo has C-Quam AM Stereo -- but it's a lemon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=DlM3rs9DmXMa-dUSi8Ddpk80ZB9B2XsegJ-E23EXOPRrzBoB4iDR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello what is your website? thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 7:06 PM Subject: {AMSF} New Best Buy stereo has C-Quam AM Stereo -- but it's a lemon Best Buy is now selling a small bookshelf stereo system with HD Radio from their house brand "Insignia" for $149.99. Like many HD radios, it includes support for C-Quam AM Stereo, and at that price it seems like a good deal -- but as my experience shows, it is unfortunately a very poorly designed piece of equipment. Here's a discussion on another forum which includes my review, and a photo of the tuner's display showing 1580 kHz AM being received in Stereo: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=925453 p.s. I will not be including this model on my web site's list of AM Stereo receivers because although its AM reception is actually quite decent by modern standards, it is such a frustrating and disappointing radio to use that I would never recommend it to anyone. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Nov 01 23:03:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2954 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2007 06:03:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2007 06:03:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11e.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.71) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2007 06:03:04 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2007 06:03:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2007 06:03:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 06:03:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <644097D1D64D4175AF264999550C85D6@hank320a6cca48> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.101.103 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Best Buy stereo has C-Quam AM Stereo -- but it's a lemon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=sd6G5C4TDmIwevrRiDpoPCPCobo0gNqQSwfvrMp6TrQFhlYc5Q X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" =20 wrote: > hello > what is your website? > thanks > Hank The Official AM Stereo Web Site http://AMStereo.s5.com/ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Nov 02 06:43:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49572 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2007 13:43:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2007 13:43:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.161) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2007 13:43:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 84179 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Nov 2007 13:43:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: RtrV5ZQVM1mtkt8obMmhdcmktXt_xQmDq12cZ.K8KoXtkX4wvS0YiYn1mWWuVVG_RQ272k9QQw3SfllFfaq3hGFllBQ5TVrKIZ0Q7cOfdRDw788NtdXyo3gKdg-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 06:43:31 PDT Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 06:43:31 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <246346.83737.qm@web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: New Best Buy stereo has C-Quam AM Stereo -- but it's a lemon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=4XPu5qbK3A6JMLgQoQ93aaGQsLVgmkdeXxeAs89bWJcMT0qZUw5pdLc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Yep, I tried this unit out - I couldn't tune it without the remote, and it's true - the 'reaction time' from a pushbutton push was about 2 seconds - and eternity in pushbutton land. It reminded me of the late 90's Delco radio when they went from 'real' pots for the balance and front/back faders to 'electronic' faders with delay time built in. Kev -did you try the Insignia CAR HD Radio? I had to pester the guy to bring me one - none on display - no way to hear it or see if it decodes CQuam. J __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From djjayarnold@yahoo.com Fri Nov 02 08:41:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: djjayarnold@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85490 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2007 15:41:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2007 15:41:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.23) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2007 15:41:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2007 15:41:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2007 15:41:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:41:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <246346.83737.qm@web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.121.52.2 From: "djjayarnold" Subject: {AMSF} World's smallest radio? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317204437; y=P0QHBVySalVa9t3Sz-t66-gsknTwiCuZkKW1693gn7Krh8buXhg X-Yahoo-Profile: djjayarnold Here's an interesting diversion... I wonder what the possibilities are here for C-QUAM and HD?? This could be fun!: Article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20071102/sc_livescience/microscopicr adiosetsminiaturizationrecord From ke7ief@aol.com Sat Nov 03 00:35:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1293 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2007 07:34:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2007 07:34:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2007 07:34:57 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bd6.1d668d6d (52465) for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 03:34:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from hank320a6cca48 (75-165-49-123.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.49.123]) by ciaaol-d09.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD094-ccf1472c249916a; Sat, 03 Nov 2007 03:34:50 -0400 Message-ID: To: Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 00:34:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3205 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3205 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.49.123 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: am stereo addon for amt 3000 transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=87nq0ItDEDCiO_LoIppB25Y-EQETaWIRDu-cMbNb2uns9VO-CUa_ Hello am unsure if I have asked this before but am curious if there is a am stereo add on for the am stereo 3000 transmitter? its a part 15 transmitter. thanks Hank topsites.us From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Nov 03 14:55:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81078 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2007 21:55:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2007 21:55:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2007 21:55:24 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.55.202] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071103165502100304500004> for ; Sat, 03 Nov 2007 16:55:02 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <011d01c81e64$5f0539c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 16:55:02 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo addon for amt 3000 transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=wjkUuislt1tK0fBtM8XfR3fgY7icT1bAsa-CBK_XRTXbSMEsYCMr X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not that I'm aware of. I saw a schematic for one just today and it generates its frequency with a 4MHz crystal, some frequency dividers, and a PLL. Likely not good for conversion. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 1:35 AM Subject: {AMSF} am stereo addon for amt 3000 transmitter? Hello am unsure if I have asked this before but am curious if there is a am stereo add on for the am stereo 3000 transmitter? its a part 15 transmitter. thanks Hank topsites.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/07 11:02 AM --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sat Nov 03 18:23:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7839 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2007 01:23:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2007 01:23:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.136.170) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2007 01:23:06 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c1c.220f116b (52382) for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 21:22:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from hank320a6cca48 (75-165-49-123.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.49.123]) by ciaaol-m04.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM048-cc9e472d1ee4b1; Sat, 03 Nov 2007 21:22:56 -0400 Message-ID: To: Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 18:22:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3205 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3205 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.49.123 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: alfrato lite max cristals? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=2EdNqj0NvpLHm1oFeizv9EFwOK--eSGwjyRN3efpwtkC_dSV-d5K Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello have a possible chance to get a am sterel alfrato lite max all ready assimbled cquam transmitter problem christal is set to 1000 there is a station on that frequency komo 1000 seattle. any one know where to obtain cristals for this bad boy? and also what frequencies are available? also another question unrelated any way to sink up 3 transmitters on one frequency? 1 being am stereo the other 2 mono? topsites.us [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Nov 03 21:46:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70138 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2007 04:46:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2007 04:46:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.60) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2007 04:46:54 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2007 04:46:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2007 04:46:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 04:46:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <246346.83737.qm@web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.101.103 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: New Best Buy stereo has C-Quam AM Stereo -- but it's a lemon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=TLb71VpkUvbIhRBMG2c1m5z0ySfrfKkpuoIbeWxkxa9pgV76DQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Kev -did you try the Insignia CAR HD Radio? I had to pester the > guy to bring me one - none on display - no way to hear it or see if > it decodes CQuam. I picked up one myself just to check it out, and yes, the Insignia HD car radio decodes C-Quam, complete with an "ST" indicator on the=20 display, but the bandwidth is so pitifully narrow that it is almost=20 painful to listen to! The AM audio bandwidth varies from 3 to 5 kHz,=20 but on most signals it just sits at 3 kHz, and that's a "brickwall"-=20 type cutoff right at that point, not a gradual roll-off, so it sounds=20 really, really bad. The C-Quam decoder is very good -- I measured 38.5 dB of stereo=20 separation at 400 Hz with my signal generator! But when the C-Quam=20 kicks in, it seems to engage the same 75 uS de-emphasis that it uses=20 for FM, because as soon as it starts decoding stereo audio, it sounds=20 like you just turned the treble all the way down. You would never=20 think that an AM Stereo receiver would make Stereo signals sound=20 worse than mono signals, but this radio does! And just like the=20 Accurian, it has the channels reversed when decoding AM Stereo --=20 Left channel audio is received in the Right channel, and vice-versa. And after much experimenting, I found that the only way to get it to=20 produce 5 kHz of audio bandwidth on AM is to actually transmit only 5 kHz audio. It seems to treat any audio in the IF passband above 5 kHz -- including the station's own audio -- as "adjacent-channel=20 interference" and responds by narrowing the audio bandwidth to 3 kHz.=20 Sometimes on a really strong, clean signal it will creep back up to 4 kHz, but never any higher than that unless the station is=20 transmitting narrowband audio. It also mutes the audio unless the signal is strong and stable enough=20 for the PLL to lock onto the carrier. This makes the "hash" on=20 either side of an IBOC signal disappear, but also makes weak signals=20 unlistenable, as the audio keeps cutting out, especially during=20 nighttime conditions. Even a signal strong enough to stop the Seek=20 tuning can often be too choppy to understand. I did actually receive some AM IBOC digital audio via nighttime=20 skywave, from 1030 WBZ -- but only when the signal was so strong that=20 it was in what hams would call "S9" range, and as soon as it started=20 to fade, the "HD" digital audio would drop out. The Insignia HD home stereo shelf system is comparatively much better=20 on AM, with a fixed 4.6 kHz audio bandwidth that is (barely) enough=20 to be pleasantly listenable for music, and it doesn't get all choppy=20 on weaker signals, unlike the car radio... but you have to live with=20 that awful reaction time to the controls! From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sat Nov 03 22:22:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 566 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2007 05:22:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2007 05:22:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc15.comcast.net) (216.148.227.155) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2007 05:22:30 -0000 X-Received: from dhpp0db1 (c-76-24-89-165.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[76.24.89.165]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc15) with SMTP id <20071104051407m15009tg58e>; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 05:14:08 +0000 To: Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 01:14:37 -0400 Message-ID: <061a01c81ea1$9905ef10$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acgenbs7/XnyxhKFQF6ggq1752UfYwAA42cw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: X-Originating-IP: 216.148.227.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: New Best Buy stereo has C-Quam AM Stereo -- but it's a lemon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394; y=xFOe3hLtWOp37EbRvUhIKYXcifUvF71feIYuZN6QHOc X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn > Kev -did you try the Insignia CAR HD Radio? I had to pester the > guy to bring me one - none on display - no way to hear it or see if > it decodes CQuam. Does that car unit have RDS on FM? Seems like almost every home HD Radio unit that has come out has had RDS, but no car units at all have had it. If I'm going to get a new car stereo, I don't really want to give up having RDS. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Nov 04 16:03:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4898 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 00:03:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 00:03:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 00:03:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 46600 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Nov 2007 00:03:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: fCn8VYoVM1nS5vDdRbguKVTi2H3AnCRMrAYgYudo6RwvmdX2AjZSRtJ3sfZIx7IoL9e1W.7fnxtz_a24ZyDmxdopP9x9v_HTs_h3USi5MZhgCnAdxk7BjAuDDw-- X-Received: from [72.241.129.52] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:03:11 PST Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 16:03:11 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <418887.46565.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re:am stereo addon for amt 3000 transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=uf_VfMipH1_Bz1S7u3gnhES-jTyJnb0PyZlR48b74p0t9t10sESG-F0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hank, You can get a stand-alone Part15 CQuam AM stereo from two sources, both usually on eBay: Crystal Frequency Version: see seller "ccuff" (Christopher Cuff) Adjustable Frequency Version: see seller "ASPiSYS" (Sotiris P.) Both gentlemen also visit this list from time to time. I can recommend both and use both; it all depends on what features you want or need for your transmitter as the ASPiSYS transmitter has many adjustable features including timed on/off. John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Nov 04 17:44:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72782 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 01:44:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 01:44:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 01:44:12 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cac.1e088baa (52486) for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 20:44:04 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from hank320a6cca48 (75-165-49-123.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.49.123]) by ciaaol-d10.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD108-cd06472e7562359; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:44:03 -0400 Message-ID: To: References: <418887.46565.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 17:44:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3205 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3205 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.49.123 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:am stereo addon for amt 3000 transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=YoKhayKQnFBWXxhnymJ6YeBoeSgxoHcQKaFnKBKYX2Tq7y_0WtJg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit chris has 5 portable am transmitters on ebay buy it now items problem is 1 I neeed a cristle for 1610 and 2 I don't know how to put them togeather from what I under stand there is no case or anything just the board all ready built. I am visually impaired so am unable to put the thing togeather, any ideas on that part of it? thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 4:03 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re:am stereo addon for amt 3000 transmitter? Hank, You can get a stand-alone Part15 CQuam AM stereo from two sources, both usually on eBay: Crystal Frequency Version: see seller "ccuff" (Christopher Cuff) Adjustable Frequency Version: see seller "ASPiSYS" (Sotiris P.) Both gentlemen also visit this list from time to time. I can recommend both and use both; it all depends on what features you want or need for your transmitter as the ASPiSYS transmitter has many adjustable features including timed on/off. John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Nov 04 18:34:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48997 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 02:34:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 02:34:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 02:34:00 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bea.1f2353ac (52484) for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 21:33:37 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from hank320a6cca48 (75-165-49-123.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.49.123]) by ciaaol-d10.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD106-cd04472e80ff321; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 21:33:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1830BBFFD15A4105BC7AF2DC2EF0F559@hank320a6cca48> To: Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 18:33:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3205 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3205 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.49.123 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=ngKzYNbX6D4uKElVSaCD8xE-Foxb-Cc4kXrPHPD2wbd6N3OTJIF- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello I am looking at ebay item http://cgi.ebay.com/Portable-AM-Transmitter-100mw-New_W0QQitemZ320178338780QQihZ011QQcategoryZ38034QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem where do I get a cord and case and a christal that isn't in his stock cristal? there is only 4 left? also how do put the board inside the case etc? thanks Hank topsites.us [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Nov 04 19:39:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97739 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 03:39:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 03:39:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 03:39:16 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.ccb.1f31216f (39332) for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 22:38:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 22:38:46 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:am stereo addon for amt 3000 transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=-s2HcPRqVutjw_KC-xlj3thvvr6XECQJR7WXxIwTMQJnOOIaCxK4gM6nkDCoI_NU X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hank, I have diabetes, so I know what you mean by low vision. It might not meet a high estestic standand of elegance, but I would be willing to put in in an enclosure for you with the power supply it requires. No charge if you furnish the parts. As for crystals, the broadcast band crystals I know of are expensive and would not come close to fitting on the board. Perhaps the manufacturer would be willing to reveal the source or purchase a special one for your needs. I hope this helps. Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Nov 04 19:49:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22385 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 03:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 03:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 03:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c98.2065fb31 (39332) for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 22:49:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 22:49:06 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=lF1kRh1-NAm6oi-oCDNp1tgdQS6-KLFUW6wdy4EwS8va1k2X3YsB1kuu1Aitq3D1 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hank, I eBay a fair amount, so I dropped the seller a note about the crystal. As I said, you pick out an enclosure from Digikey and I will integrate the board into it. In looking at the picture, it appears to run on a 9V transistor battery, so there is no cord. I can include a power jack on the enclosure for a battery eliminator that disconnects an internal battery. As for only 4 left, I wouldn't worry about that. Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Nov 04 19:59:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91151 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 03:59:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 03:59:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 03:59:07 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c02.24b72fad (39332) for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 22:59:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 22:59:00 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=qOy-seYFuocWEfVv3J4cCac1jsYcP_5quyV0QMu-c7-TekMyRfJxusorMtNUFMeS X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hank, I found a review on AMT-3000 on the Net: http://part15.us/node/692 It looks good. It includes audio processing that is essential to AM broadcasting. The board uses a crystal control synthesizer, so the frequency is set with a dipswitch. Did this company go out of business? The link to their website appears broken. Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Nov 04 20:45:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4490 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 04:45:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 04:45:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 04:45:01 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cb1.208f523a (48340) for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 23:44:56 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from hank320a6cca48 (75-165-49-123.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.49.123]) by ciaaol-d03.mail.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD036-bcd4472e9fc523d; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:44:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1E08AD5691004E518B723D1919C15E53@hank320a6cca48> To: References: Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 20:44:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3205 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3205 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.49.123 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:am stereo addon for amt 3000 transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=Qs1F4tAIdmSlfqAjXkdhmoU8mHb0TucYaC6Sc_rP7LvWEGOSiksy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can get the pc board and have him set it to 1500 all I would need is the power suply, and the case I would have to have it shipped to me then reship it to you. I am getting it from ebay. another way we can do this and this is only if your willing. this one is up to you but he only has 4 left at this writing. you purchase the transmitter, I pay you for the transmitter plus shipping via paypal that way it wouldn't have to be shipped out twice its up to you. did you want to get something set up? I have the money just need the rest of it done sense I am unable to like I said get the power suply and the case etc. thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 7:38 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:am stereo addon for amt 3000 transmitter? Hank, I have diabetes, so I know what you mean by low vision. It might not meet a high estestic standand of elegance, but I would be willing to put in in an enclosure for you with the power supply it requires. No charge if you furnish the parts. As for crystals, the broadcast band crystals I know of are expensive and would not come close to fitting on the board. Perhaps the manufacturer would be willing to reveal the source or purchase a special one for your needs. I hope this helps. Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Nov 04 20:46:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61271 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 04:46:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 04:46:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.136.170) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 04:46:43 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bd8.2070184c (48339) for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 23:46:32 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from hank320a6cca48 (75-165-49-123.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.49.123]) by ciaaol-d03.mail.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD035-bcd3472ea02630e; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:46:31 -0400 Message-ID: <17107FCB1E6648ECB2A8557941D5B823@hank320a6cca48> To: References: Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 20:46:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3205 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3205 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.49.123 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=sJyptBNu046NNyUdCN9XHzo-DmqkS-kutX_Nwn4w_7vGOcknDIN1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit his default cristle is 1200 1250 1000 and 1500 if he can't get 1610 I will take 1500 what is the website to get the encloser, and what am I looking for. can we talk about this via voice or something. thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 7:49 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help Hank, I eBay a fair amount, so I dropped the seller a note about the crystal. As I said, you pick out an enclosure from Digikey and I will integrate the board into it. In looking at the picture, it appears to run on a 9V transistor battery, so there is no cord. I can include a power jack on the enclosure for a battery eliminator that disconnects an internal battery. As for only 4 left, I wouldn't worry about that. Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Nov 04 20:48:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35139 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 04:48:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 04:48:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 04:48:22 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c65.2006e6e3 (52485) for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 23:48:00 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from hank320a6cca48 (75-165-49-123.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.49.123]) by ciaaol-d10.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD107-cd05472ea07e2f3; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:47:59 -0400 Message-ID: To: References: Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 20:47:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3205 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3205 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.49.123 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=RJ8zyeCGy_eBvS7Enlf43Qk4nKspoKvJ0CYQ54zIA0eRxOoVaZOq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit there still in business its a awesome transmitter to love this thing. perhaps the site is down? did you try. www.sstran.com think that is the correct website its in my book marks. thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 7:59 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help Hank, I found a review on AMT-3000 on the Net: http://part15.us/node/692 It looks good. It includes audio processing that is essential to AM broadcasting. The board uses a crystal control synthesizer, so the frequency is set with a dipswitch. Did this company go out of business? The link to their website appears broken. Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Mon Nov 05 05:24:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3354 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 13:24:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 13:24:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms048pub.verizon.net) (206.46.252.48) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 13:24:03 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.228.191.65]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JR100MZABW0BFD9@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 07:24:01 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 08:24:11 -0500 To: Message-id: <001e01c81faf$2727b270$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: X-Originating-IP: 206.46.252.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=8LzMaHnbs0BDOKjEhtNSSWsrJ_T0F0x16CMa6oROGqRzlA X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know anything about the AMT-3000, but I think the one on eBay is hand-built by Chris Cuff, a long time am stereo advocate. I have purchased another type of item from him in the past, and was thoroughly satisfied. I would not hesitate to recommend him. Dick W ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:47 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help there still in business its a awesome transmitter to love this thing. perhaps the site is down? did you try. www.sstran.com think that is the correct website its in my book marks. thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 7:59 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help Hank, I found a review on AMT-3000 on the Net: http://part15.us/node/692 It looks good. It includes audio processing that is essential to AM broadcasting. The board uses a crystal control synthesizer, so the frequency is set with a dipswitch. Did this company go out of business? The link to their website appears broken. Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Nov 05 09:37:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5831 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 17:37:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 17:37:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 17:37:37 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c46.23e7d7b0 (32914) for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:37:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:37:22 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=VUVABWIFnMuJaH7lReYHSUD-E72R9WJAfCJ_PPyM6DrNJmGsmNr8X-Km2CmEd4HM X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/5/07 7:24:23 AM Central Standard Time, dwtpa97@verizon.net writes: > I don't know anything about the AMT-3000, but I think the one on eBay is > hand-built by Chris Cuff, a long time am stereo advocate. I think you're right, Dick. I don't think the eBay offering is an AMT-3000. Maybe Chris has some ideas about an enclosure. Or perhaps someone else on the forum. I am an engineer who designed things for the military. My designs tend to be robust, but estetically lacking. I'm sure Hank doesn't want something EMP-hardened, armored, and on tracks. That's the military's idea of a "portable enclosure". The only egonomic definition of "portable" the Army seemed to have was the equipment must have handles. On another note, goods news, Hank. He has a 1610 khz crystal for an extra $7 or $8 bucks. Let me know and I will order on of his boards for you. You can reimburse me when I get it put in an enclosure and you receive it. Mike Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Mon Nov 05 09:48:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20222 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 17:48:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 17:48:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 17:48:33 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d1d.167cee9d (48342) for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:48:29 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from hank320a6cca48 (75-165-49-123.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.49.123]) by ciaaol-d04.mail.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD046-bcd6472f576a342; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 12:48:27 -0400 Message-ID: <7A6839576A0C418AAABE492919771D66@hank320a6cca48> To: References: Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:48:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3205 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3205 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.49.123 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=gzyu6TdO0EHzfrCIhDeXColNeYGlAE7Xh5j_D9ElvkKVVux2sywz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cool. can you see how much a power suply would be as well? I emailed him but am unsure if it reached him aol has been a bit flaky as of late. but yes lets go head and order up the board with 1610 frequency cristle for a extra 7 dollars plus what ever the ppo suply would be as far as enclosers any one have any ideas? thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:37 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help In a message dated 11/5/07 7:24:23 AM Central Standard Time, dwtpa97@verizon.net writes: > I don't know anything about the AMT-3000, but I think the one on eBay is > hand-built by Chris Cuff, a long time am stereo advocate. I think you're right, Dick. I don't think the eBay offering is an AMT-3000. Maybe Chris has some ideas about an enclosure. Or perhaps someone else on the forum. I am an engineer who designed things for the military. My designs tend to be robust, but estetically lacking. I'm sure Hank doesn't want something EMP-hardened, armored, and on tracks. That's the military's idea of a "portable enclosure". The only egonomic definition of "portable" the Army seemed to have was the equipment must have handles. On another note, goods news, Hank. He has a 1610 khz crystal for an extra $7 or $8 bucks. Let me know and I will order on of his boards for you. You can reimburse me when I get it put in an enclosure and you receive it. Mike Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Nov 05 10:03:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67485 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 18:03:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 18:03:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 18:03:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 8764 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Nov 2007 18:03:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xSPqungVM1kIX88qLVZQJ31p3F2ISN4gqW1NdB5Zxyg5_N4SVL1NeLW2nb4NOy.cB_0Ta60C9u.5DxpHLZZgXQdklZLOWJJvKZaX1VXXp7Y.oH.IXlOHxusXuCZ5WwsCgGr0J2z3RiR1._Ig X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 10:03:30 PST Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:03:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1830BBFFD15A4105BC7AF2DC2EF0F559@hank320a6cca48> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <905487.8338.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=_wZPP_D0R9MI3Vg4cZLjV_2JdqgzqB-2kQHnZdXRUi0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- hank smith wrote: > hello I am looking at ebay item > http://cgi.ebay.com/Portable-AM-Transmitter-100mw-New_W0QQitemZ320178338780QQihZ011QQcategoryZ38034QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > where do I get a cord and case and a christal that > isn't in his stock cristal? there is only 4 left? > also how do put the board inside the case etc? > thanks ask him directly Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Nov 05 11:20:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69968 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 19:20:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 19:20:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web31902.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.82) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 19:20:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17454 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Nov 2007 19:20:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ulSh8cIVM1nxLK4VXMlkx_LbQYaCAQ2i6wN0IXuKjisBO324xOYqa0Q218Db2ht_t1mybiwsVbQ_U5Qw.NhDVOiKr3GYv_rvaZsTWhhLXkHfK82dpewfJvDRNw-- X-Received: from [60.234.196.152] by web31902.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 11:20:26 PST Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:20:26 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1194259632.2564.75474.m43@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <805103.16341.qm@web31902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 2537 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915; y=2H1cpezGIvq8XX39YDnJ5JrJVYc4oYQ9CFjaxMZ8kG8Q7kYv4A X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can ask Chris about purchasing the crystal.He is very accomodating to any help about this transmitter. Regards Michael amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: am stereo addon for amt 3000 transmitter? Posted by: "John P." toledohamradio@yahoo.com toledohamradio Sun Nov 4, 2007 4:03 pm (PST) Hank, You can get a stand-alone Part15 CQuam AM stereo from two sources, both usually on eBay: Crystal Frequency Version: see seller "ccuff" (Christopher Cuff) Adjustable Frequency Version: see seller "ASPiSYS" (Sotiris P.) Both gentlemen also visit this list from time to time. I can recommend both and use both; it all depends on what features you want or need for your transmitter as the ASPiSYS transmitter has many adjustable features including timed on/off. John Michael&Ross __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Nov 05 12:05:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27001 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 20:05:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 20:05:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 20:05:13 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c10.2135dcd6 (37038) for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:05:02 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from webmail-de20 (webmail-de20.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.41]) by cia-db02.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB028-90ae472f776e221; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 15:05:02 -0400 References: <7A6839576A0C418AAABE492919771D66@hank320a6cca48> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 15:05:02 -0500 In-Reply-To: <7A6839576A0C418AAABE492919771D66@hank320a6cca48> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 31361-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-de20.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.41) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 05 Nov 2007 15:05:02 -0500 Message-Id: <8C9EDFE48EACA3E-8C8-1118@webmail-de20.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.104.41 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=fin2nuJuscgAfvOoHhYAMrKJJGSzmhHrgmhHMfFKHmeqJlvLm2DjG7bHvVJiwEcW X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Will do.? I reached Chris via eBay.? I put in a question about an enclosure as well.? It has a standard 9-volt transistor radio battery clip, but the text reads 8-AA cells.? Just as a guess, it probably has a 5-volt regulator.? I can get a plug-in wall adaptor at either Digikey or Radio Shack. Enclosure suggestions from the forum would be appreciated. My Roadmaster has a AM Stereo radio that will tune 1610 so I can check it out before I send it. Glad to help. Mike -----Original Message----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:48 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help cool. can you see how much a power suply would be as well? I emailed him but am unsure if it reached him aol has been a bit flaky as of late. but yes lets go head and order up the board with 1610 frequency cristle for a extra 7 dollars plus what ever the ppo suply would be as far as enclosers any one have any ideas? thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:37 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help In a message dated 11/5/07 7:24:23 AM Central Standard Time, dwtpa97@verizon.net writes: > I don't know anything about the AMT-3000, but I think the one on eBay is > hand-built by Chris Cuff, a long time am stereo advocate. I think you're right, Dick. I don't think the eBay offering is an AMT-3000. Maybe Chris has some ideas about an enclosure. Or perhaps someone else on the forum. I am an engineer who designed things for the military. My designs tend to be robust, but estetically lacking. I'm sure Hank doesn't want something EMP-hardened, armored, and on tracks. That's the military's idea of a "portable enclosure". The only egonomic definition of "portable" the Army seemed to have was the equipment must have handles. On another note, goods news, Hank. He has a 1610 khz crystal for an extra $7 or $8 bucks. Let me know and I will order on of his boards for you. You can reimburse me when I get it put in an enclosure and you receive it. Mike Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Mon Nov 05 12:51:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22776 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 20:51:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 20:51:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 20:51:49 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d54.18b6e066 (34967) for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:51:35 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from hank320a6cca48 (75-165-49-123.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.49.123]) by cia-da07.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA074-8897472f8252bb; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 15:51:31 -0400 Message-ID: To: References: <7A6839576A0C418AAABE492919771D66@hank320a6cca48> <8C9EDFE48EACA3E-8C8-1118@webmail-de20.sysops.aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:51:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3205 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3205 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.49.123 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=-tdaYtNTt_RBsPc9Alz_2h5O7WPwbM3LnhsSgcpIoivHBt8w8oUy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit my private email is ke7ief@aol.com awesome out of curiousity can you send me a recording of what your am stereo sounds like using it? also in in olympia wa where abouts you located at? thanks this is greatly appreciated Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 12:05 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help Will do.? I reached Chris via eBay.? I put in a question about an enclosure as well.? It has a standard 9-volt transistor radio battery clip, but the text reads 8-AA cells.? Just as a guess, it probably has a 5-volt regulator.? I can get a plug-in wall adaptor at either Digikey or Radio Shack. Enclosure suggestions from the forum would be appreciated. My Roadmaster has a AM Stereo radio that will tune 1610 so I can check it out before I send it. Glad to help. Mike -----Original Message----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:48 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help cool. can you see how much a power suply would be as well? I emailed him but am unsure if it reached him aol has been a bit flaky as of late. but yes lets go head and order up the board with 1610 frequency cristle for a extra 7 dollars plus what ever the ppo suply would be as far as enclosers any one have any ideas? thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:37 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help In a message dated 11/5/07 7:24:23 AM Central Standard Time, dwtpa97@verizon.net writes: > I don't know anything about the AMT-3000, but I think the one on eBay is > hand-built by Chris Cuff, a long time am stereo advocate. I think you're right, Dick. I don't think the eBay offering is an AMT-3000. Maybe Chris has some ideas about an enclosure. Or perhaps someone else on the forum. I am an engineer who designed things for the military. My designs tend to be robust, but estetically lacking. I'm sure Hank doesn't want something EMP-hardened, armored, and on tracks. That's the military's idea of a "portable enclosure". The only egonomic definition of "portable" the Army seemed to have was the equipment must have handles. On another note, goods news, Hank. He has a 1610 khz crystal for an extra $7 or $8 bucks. Let me know and I will order on of his boards for you. You can reimburse me when I get it put in an enclosure and you receive it. Mike Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Mon Nov 05 13:37:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44854 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 21:37:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 21:37:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms169133pub.verizon.net) (206.46.169.133) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 21:37:23 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.228.191.65]) by vms169133.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JR1006JVYODUR00@vms169133.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 15:36:17 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:36:24 -0500 To: Message-id: <001001c81ff3$ea855620$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <7A6839576A0C418AAABE492919771D66@hank320a6cca48> <8C9EDFE48EACA3E-8C8-1118@webmail-de20.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.169.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=fp5MBx3qJJWDbRzx06hYsePZ8qbsBGKsVkKC9Zhlw5EFAg X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris used to sell these in a plastic enclosure, but the price, of course, was higher. He could probably give you a good suggestion as to where you might get the enclosure. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 3:51 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help my private email is ke7ief@aol.com awesome out of curiousity can you send me a recording of what your am stereo sounds like using it? also in in olympia wa where abouts you located at? thanks this is greatly appreciated Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 12:05 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help Will do.? I reached Chris via eBay.? I put in a question about an enclosure as well.? It has a standard 9-volt transistor radio battery clip, but the text reads 8-AA cells.? Just as a guess, it probably has a 5-volt regulator.? I can get a plug-in wall adaptor at either Digikey or Radio Shack. Enclosure suggestions from the forum would be appreciated. My Roadmaster has a AM Stereo radio that will tune 1610 so I can check it out before I send it. Glad to help. Mike -----Original Message----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:48 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help cool. can you see how much a power suply would be as well? I emailed him but am unsure if it reached him aol has been a bit flaky as of late. but yes lets go head and order up the board with 1610 frequency cristle for a extra 7 dollars plus what ever the ppo suply would be as far as enclosers any one have any ideas? thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:37 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help In a message dated 11/5/07 7:24:23 AM Central Standard Time, dwtpa97@verizon.net writes: > I don't know anything about the AMT-3000, but I think the one on eBay is > hand-built by Chris Cuff, a long time am stereo advocate. I think you're right, Dick. I don't think the eBay offering is an AMT-3000. Maybe Chris has some ideas about an enclosure. Or perhaps someone else on the forum. I am an engineer who designed things for the military. My designs tend to be robust, but estetically lacking. I'm sure Hank doesn't want something EMP-hardened, armored, and on tracks. That's the military's idea of a "portable enclosure". The only egonomic definition of "portable" the Army seemed to have was the equipment must have handles. On another note, goods news, Hank. He has a 1610 khz crystal for an extra $7 or $8 bucks. Let me know and I will order on of his boards for you. You can reimburse me when I get it put in an enclosure and you receive it. Mike Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Nov 05 14:13:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61870 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 22:13:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 22:13:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 22:13:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 37752 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Nov 2007 22:13:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 08PbOjgVM1khkItxfUtaBTTwosDv7tmkyjf192UZXCWEm_I6EH.iZKvVleKuuej5IY9JB1b8jg-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 14:13:06 PST Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:13:06 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001001c81ff3$ea855620$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <666331.37127.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=8YhpKJeuVJ0FJAc1hzEqSqyfkXZI0vUgOX8dVBJQWbU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Dick W wrote: > Chris used to sell these in a plastic enclosure, but > the price, of course, was higher. He could probably > give you a good suggestion as to where you might get > the enclosure. > Dick W. I have 2 and you could do your own enclosure better. It's just an inexpensive plastic box. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Nov 05 14:25:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29807 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 22:25:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 22:25:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 22:25:01 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.be4.1affbf9e (34906) for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:24:56 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from Webmail-mg21 (webmail-mg21.sim.aol.com [64.12.142.169]) by cia-da02.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA023-885a472f98381c2; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:24:56 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:24:56 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI In-Reply-To: <666331.37127.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 31361-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by Webmail-mg21.sysops.aol.com (64.12.142.169) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:24:56 -0500 Message-Id: <8C9EE11D41A15FF-41C-20E2@Webmail-mg21.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.142.169 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=8jQk6ZMNGJiUcAI1B1KQpytHz_UNo8nw-QKIIIfuPZEud1J1CkBVzMm8ddCDo3Wv X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why?? Because you have?to or because you have two?? (A line from an old ribald epic poem)? I couldn't resist. Seriously, might you have a better idea?? I want to right by our friend Hank.? He has no sight and I have no talent. Mike ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Nov 05 14:30:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68221 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 22:30:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 22:30:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.136.170) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 22:30:12 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cbd.2055905c (60465) for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:20:49 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from Webmail-mg21 (webmail-mg21.sim.aol.com [64.12.142.169]) by ciaaol-m01.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM012-ec31472f974021b; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:20:49 -0400 References: <7A6839576A0C418AAABE492919771D66@hank320a6cca48> <8C9EDFE48EACA3E-8C8-1118@webmail-de20.sysops.aol.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:20:49 -0500 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 31361-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by Webmail-mg21.sysops.aol.com (64.12.142.169) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:20:49 -0500 Message-Id: <8C9EE1140C571AA-41C-2089@Webmail-mg21.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.142.169 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=wKPRygITJwp8KT4Re8tyS7Ik_kQTbdKNlfpTsRNgfDk17ffkl_O2y7Xaf48fuDWf X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I live in St. Louis, MO.? I'm afraid I don't have any recording equipment that would do it justice.? The Roadmaster has its factory Concert II sound system with AM Stereo radio.? My audio recording equipment, as with a microphone, is limited to a mono Sony note taking microcassette unit that runs at 15/16 ips.??Trust me, you wouldn't like the quality of the recording. I am an engineering and do have test equipment.? I don't if its output is enough for the AM Detector on my distortion test set.? However, I can?do trap pattern tests for?modulation capability, linearity, frequency response, and noise on with my o'scope if you like. By the way, I placed the order for a board with a 1610 crystal. Here are some other?Part 15?AM transmitters which might?provide some idea as to an enclosure.? http?://www.ontheair3.com/#bc-100 Incidentally, I looked at tube version.? Personally, I?don't believe the claimed specifications, at least for the tube unit. Mike -----Original Message----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 2:51 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help my private email is ke7ief@aol.com awesome out of curiousity can you send me a recording of what your am stereo sounds like using it? also in in olympia wa where abouts you located at? thanks this is greatly appreciated Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 12:05 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help Will do.? I reached Chris via eBay.? I put in a question about an enclosure as well.? It has a standard 9-volt transistor radio battery clip, but the text reads 8-AA cells.? Just as a guess, it probably has a 5-volt regulator.? I can get a plug-in wall adaptor at either Digikey or Radio Shack. Enclosure suggestions from the forum would be appreciated. My Roadmaster has a AM Stereo radio that will tune 1610 so I can check it out before I send it. Glad to help. Mike -----Original Message----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:48 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help cool. can you see how much a power suply would be as well? I emailed him but am unsure if it reached him aol has been a bit flaky as of late. but yes lets go head and order up the board with 1610 frequency cristle for a extra 7 dollars plus what ever the ppo suply would be as far as enclosers any one have any ideas? thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:37 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help In a message dated 11/5/07 7:24:23 AM Central Standard Time, dwtpa97@verizon.net writes: > I don't know anything about the AMT-3000, but I think the one on eBay is > hand-built by Chris Cuff, a long time am stereo advocate. I think you're right, Dick. I don't think the eBay offering is an AMT-3000. Maybe Chris has some ideas about an enclosure. Or perhaps someone else on the forum. I am an engineer who designed things for the military. My designs tend to be robust, but estetically lacking. I'm sure Hank doesn't want something EMP-hardened, armored, and on tracks. That's the military's idea of a "portable enclosure". The only egonomic definition of "portable" the Army seemed to have was the equipment must have handles. On another note, goods news, Hank. He has a 1610 khz crystal for an extra $7 or $8 bucks. Let me know and I will order on of his boards for you. You can reimburse me when I get it put in an enclosure and you receive it. Mike Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Mon Nov 05 14:39:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13413 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 22:39:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 22:39:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 22:39:36 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c16.25f07c96 (37185) for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:39:23 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from hank320a6cca48 (75-165-49-123.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.49.123]) by cia-ma05.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA056-9141472f9b9895; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:39:21 -0400 Message-ID: <7A2D33DE201F4BF99457FFF470B1B636@hank320a6cca48> To: References: <7A6839576A0C418AAABE492919771D66@hank320a6cca48> <8C9EDFE48EACA3E-8C8-1118@webmail-de20.sysops.aol.com> <8C9EE1140C571AA-41C-2089@Webmail-mg21.sysops.aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:39:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3205 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3205 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.49.123 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=7rHIu3Bk6-ivDOYoqdHHeXXsVKn-5lY2HeLPqplUD_dOr0-OC8G2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can you test the frequency response and other stuff when you test it. as far as the case I am unable to see the case on the website. hopefully some one can help us out or chris can suggest something. also can you make sure when testing there is no hum in the power supply? I heard that some power supplies are known for causing alot of hum and other stuff in the carier. thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:20 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help I live in St. Louis, MO.? I'm afraid I don't have any recording equipment that would do it justice.? The Roadmaster has its factory Concert II sound system with AM Stereo radio.? My audio recording equipment, as with a microphone, is limited to a mono Sony note taking microcassette unit that runs at 15/16 ips.??Trust me, you wouldn't like the quality of the recording. I am an engineering and do have test equipment.? I don't if its output is enough for the AM Detector on my distortion test set.? However, I can?do trap pattern tests for?modulation capability, linearity, frequency response, and noise on with my o'scope if you like. By the way, I placed the order for a board with a 1610 crystal. Here are some other?Part 15?AM transmitters which might?provide some idea as to an enclosure.? http?://www.ontheair3.com/#bc-100 Incidentally, I looked at tube version.? Personally, I?don't believe the claimed specifications, at least for the tube unit. Mike -----Original Message----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 2:51 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help my private email is ke7ief@aol.com awesome out of curiousity can you send me a recording of what your am stereo sounds like using it? also in in olympia wa where abouts you located at? thanks this is greatly appreciated Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 12:05 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help Will do.? I reached Chris via eBay.? I put in a question about an enclosure as well.? It has a standard 9-volt transistor radio battery clip, but the text reads 8-AA cells.? Just as a guess, it probably has a 5-volt regulator.? I can get a plug-in wall adaptor at either Digikey or Radio Shack. Enclosure suggestions from the forum would be appreciated. My Roadmaster has a AM Stereo radio that will tune 1610 so I can check it out before I send it. Glad to help. Mike -----Original Message----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:48 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help cool. can you see how much a power suply would be as well? I emailed him but am unsure if it reached him aol has been a bit flaky as of late. but yes lets go head and order up the board with 1610 frequency cristle for a extra 7 dollars plus what ever the ppo suply would be as far as enclosers any one have any ideas? thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:37 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help In a message dated 11/5/07 7:24:23 AM Central Standard Time, dwtpa97@verizon.net writes: > I don't know anything about the AMT-3000, but I think the one on eBay is > hand-built by Chris Cuff, a long time am stereo advocate. I think you're right, Dick. I don't think the eBay offering is an AMT-3000. Maybe Chris has some ideas about an enclosure. Or perhaps someone else on the forum. I am an engineer who designed things for the military. My designs tend to be robust, but estetically lacking. I'm sure Hank doesn't want something EMP-hardened, armored, and on tracks. That's the military's idea of a "portable enclosure". The only egonomic definition of "portable" the Army seemed to have was the equipment must have handles. On another note, goods news, Hank. He has a 1610 khz crystal for an extra $7 or $8 bucks. Let me know and I will order on of his boards for you. You can reimburse me when I get it put in an enclosure and you receive it. Mike Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Nov 05 14:46:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89000 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 22:46:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 22:46:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 22:46:03 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.102] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071105164555003203000003> for ; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:45:55 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002d01c81ffd$d331c3a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:45:55 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} alfrato lite max cristals? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=tQjpu4GhmvLBldfnZj4v8uYwrgBYOxbTno86i6ySPmR7ufmJXJUH X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the oscillators are from DigiKey. IIRC the frequencies are 1000, 1250 and 1500. There might be others- just look for something that's 4x your transmit freq. As far as frequency sync, while possible it wouldn't be simple or cheap. You'd need some sort of reference frequency you could send to each transmitter. Your best bet with multiple transmitters is to stagger the frequencies, say one on 1610 and another on 1620 or 1630 and space them so you have a 1610, a 1620 over on the next block, then another 1610. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith hello have a possible chance to get a am sterel alfrato lite max all ready assimbled cquam transmitter problem christal is set to 1000 there is a station on that frequency komo 1000 seattle. any one know where to obtain cristals for this bad boy? and also what frequencies are available? also another question unrelated any way to sink up 3 transmitters on one frequency? 1 being am stereo the other 2 mono? --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Nov 05 14:47:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70368 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 22:47:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 22:47:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 22:47:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 20325 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Nov 2007 22:47:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FIe0eA0VM1n3g3dXDYTgTR_qxPi_.Vio0pkpAJUnastwN7apae19eaLJ.gxCd8gyNvLMh8KDtQ-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 14:47:04 PST Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:47:04 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8C9EE11D41A15FF-41C-20E2@Webmail-mg21.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <546323.19863.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=9aMid4Vwe_5rUgfIzy3oQX4CLi-kwbVHVkBZMQqxSp4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > > better> > > > Why?? Because you have?to or because you have two?? > (A line from an old ribald epic poem)? I couldn't > resist. The equally tacky answer is yes. > Seriously, might you have a better idea?? I want to > right by our friend Hank.? He has no sight and I > have no talent. I think I will look at them and come up with an idea. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Nov 05 14:48:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95012 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 22:48:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 22:48:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 22:48:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 20642 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Nov 2007 22:48:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: aOo.5DEVM1mecBM3NfhPxhyflNSNqvAnDHZNfR0Rxz7_.v2Ut2DZwxyeOb665HANhsLRd_HTLg-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 14:48:02 PST Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:48:02 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <7A2D33DE201F4BF99457FFF470B1B636@hank320a6cca48> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <352683.19965.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=YCUIXKiJgYs0PJrvHXyh9PqfLiH05eyjHsCZhqdpKbE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- hank smith wrote: > can you test the frequency response and other stuff > when you test it. > as far as the case I am unable to see the case on > the website. > hopefully some one can help us out or chris can > suggest something. > also can you make sure when testing there is no hum > in the power supply? I heard that some power > supplies are known for causing alot of hum and other > stuff in the carier. > thanks > Hank The AL comes with holders for AA batteries. I get exceptional life out of rechargeables. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Nov 05 14:55:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45938 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 22:55:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 22:55:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 22:55:00 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.102] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071105165439001306100003> for ; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:54:39 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004601c81fff$0b9e3ba0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:54:39 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:am stereo addon for amt 3000 transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=yEnFOb3t5qcmDXnkGBtITut9ufnCTQxRXGwAnsZRD5V3YUkRV2RQ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do those new high power units use a little prefabricated oscillator or does it still have the discrete crystal? If the latter, you should be able to get a broadcast tolerance rock for about $35 from International Crystal in Oklahoma City. You'd have to modify the board for the larger holder (HC-6U vs HC-49U of the old A-L Lite) probably by mounting it underneath, and you'd be well served by removing the fixed cap in parallel with it and replacing it with a small variable cap to put it right on the channel. The intercarrier beat is horrendous without it. Mine was almost 350 Hz off until I made the modification (still uses the small rock.) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com Hank, I have diabetes, so I know what you mean by low vision. It might not meet a high estestic standand of elegance, but I would be willing to put in in an enclosure for you with the power supply it requires. No charge if you furnish the parts. As for crystals, the broadcast band crystals I know of are expensive and would not come close to fitting on the board. Perhaps the manufacturer would be willing to reveal the source or purchase a special one for your needs. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Mon Nov 05 14:59:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19080 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 22:59:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 22:59:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.136.172) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 22:59:05 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c48.1ac159d2 (37175) for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:39:32 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from hank320a6cca48 (75-165-49-123.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.49.123]) by cia-ma05.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA052-9137472f9ba1ee; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:39:30 -0400 Message-ID: <888CD436981241ECAFA67606C84C8818@hank320a6cca48> To: References: <7A6839576A0C418AAABE492919771D66@hank320a6cca48> <8C9EDFE48EACA3E-8C8-1118@webmail-de20.sysops.aol.com> <8C9EE1140C571AA-41C-2089@Webmail-mg21.sysops.aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:39:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3205 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3205 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.49.123 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=YINEL55E7OdfLmxr4ZQVbYzFSofebtZeBTZbylufNz2myD4wSl_R Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can you test the frequency response and other stuff when you test it. as far as the case I am unable to see the case on the website. hopefully some one can help us out or chris can suggest something. also can you make sure when testing there is no hum in the power supply? I heard that some power supplies are known for causing alot of hum and other stuff in the carier. thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:20 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help I live in St. Louis, MO.? I'm afraid I don't have any recording equipment that would do it justice.? The Roadmaster has its factory Concert II sound system with AM Stereo radio.? My audio recording equipment, as with a microphone, is limited to a mono Sony note taking microcassette unit that runs at 15/16 ips.??Trust me, you wouldn't like the quality of the recording. I am an engineering and do have test equipment.? I don't if its output is enough for the AM Detector on my distortion test set.? However, I can?do trap pattern tests for?modulation capability, linearity, frequency response, and noise on with my o'scope if you like. By the way, I placed the order for a board with a 1610 crystal. Here are some other?Part 15?AM transmitters which might?provide some idea as to an enclosure.? http?://www.ontheair3.com/#bc-100 Incidentally, I looked at tube version.? Personally, I?don't believe the claimed specifications, at least for the tube unit. Mike -----Original Message----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 2:51 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help my private email is ke7ief@aol.com awesome out of curiousity can you send me a recording of what your am stereo sounds like using it? also in in olympia wa where abouts you located at? thanks this is greatly appreciated Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 12:05 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help Will do.? I reached Chris via eBay.? I put in a question about an enclosure as well.? It has a standard 9-volt transistor radio battery clip, but the text reads 8-AA cells.? Just as a guess, it probably has a 5-volt regulator.? I can get a plug-in wall adaptor at either Digikey or Radio Shack. Enclosure suggestions from the forum would be appreciated. My Roadmaster has a AM Stereo radio that will tune 1610 so I can check it out before I send it. Glad to help. Mike -----Original Message----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:48 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help cool. can you see how much a power suply would be as well? I emailed him but am unsure if it reached him aol has been a bit flaky as of late. but yes lets go head and order up the board with 1610 frequency cristle for a extra 7 dollars plus what ever the ppo suply would be as far as enclosers any one have any ideas? thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:37 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help In a message dated 11/5/07 7:24:23 AM Central Standard Time, dwtpa97@verizon.net writes: > I don't know anything about the AMT-3000, but I think the one on eBay is > hand-built by Chris Cuff, a long time am stereo advocate. I think you're right, Dick. I don't think the eBay offering is an AMT-3000. Maybe Chris has some ideas about an enclosure. Or perhaps someone else on the forum. I am an engineer who designed things for the military. My designs tend to be robust, but estetically lacking. I'm sure Hank doesn't want something EMP-hardened, armored, and on tracks. That's the military's idea of a "portable enclosure". The only egonomic definition of "portable" the Army seemed to have was the equipment must have handles. On another note, goods news, Hank. He has a 1610 khz crystal for an extra $7 or $8 bucks. Let me know and I will order on of his boards for you. You can reimburse me when I get it put in an enclosure and you receive it. Mike Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Nov 05 15:07:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19379 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 23:07:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 23:07:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 23:07:15 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.102] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071105170656001407600004> for ; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:06:56 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <010501c82000$c39d1680$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <7A6839576A0C418AAABE492919771D66@hank320a6cca48> <8C9EDFE48EACA3E-8C8-1118@webmail-de20.sysops.aol.com> <001001c81ff3$ea855620$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:06:56 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=TfYBZfM3rQlYiq56EwCYs3eO5NwBZpTJYyLjno_H46S_M0Pq5o9E X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you want any kind of range it'll have to be outdoors, which, of course will require a much more substantial cabinet, (translation- waterproof and well sealed; heated with a small bulb and thermostat for cold weather wouldn't hurt either) and a 10' section of 1/2" or larger copper water pipe for the antenna. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick W To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 3:39 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help Chris used to sell these in a plastic enclosure, but the price, of course, was higher. He could probably give you a good suggestion as to where you might get the enclosure. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 3:51 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help my private email is ke7ief@aol.com awesome out of curiousity can you send me a recording of what your am stereo sounds like using it? also in in olympia wa where abouts you located at? thanks this is greatly appreciated Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 12:05 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help Will do.? I reached Chris via eBay.? I put in a question about an enclosure as well.? It has a standard 9-volt transistor radio battery clip, but the text reads 8-AA cells.? Just as a guess, it probably has a 5-volt regulator.? I can get a plug-in wall adaptor at either Digikey or Radio Shack. Enclosure suggestions from the forum would be appreciated. My Roadmaster has a AM Stereo radio that will tune 1610 so I can check it out before I send it. Glad to help. Mike -----Original Message----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:48 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help cool. can you see how much a power suply would be as well? I emailed him but am unsure if it reached him aol has been a bit flaky as of late. but yes lets go head and order up the board with 1610 frequency cristle for a extra 7 dollars plus what ever the ppo suply would be as far as enclosers any one have any ideas? thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:37 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help In a message dated 11/5/07 7:24:23 AM Central Standard Time, dwtpa97@verizon.net writes: > I don't know anything about the AMT-3000, but I think the one on eBay is > hand-built by Chris Cuff, a long time am stereo advocate. I think you're right, Dick. I don't think the eBay offering is an AMT-3000. Maybe Chris has some ideas about an enclosure. Or perhaps someone else on the forum. I am an engineer who designed things for the military. My designs tend to be robust, but estetically lacking. I'm sure Hank doesn't want something EMP-hardened, armored, and on tracks. That's the military's idea of a "portable enclosure". The only egonomic definition of "portable" the Army seemed to have was the equipment must have handles. On another note, goods news, Hank. He has a 1610 khz crystal for an extra $7 or $8 bucks. Let me know and I will order on of his boards for you. You can reimburse me when I get it put in an enclosure and you receive it. Mike Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. 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Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.20/1107 - Release Date: 11/3/07 11:22 AM --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Mon Nov 05 15:12:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94040 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 23:11:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 23:11:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 23:11:54 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c38.200c04bc (52434) for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:11:42 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from hank320a6cca48 (75-165-49-123.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.49.123]) by ciaaol-m07.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM078-ccd2472fa32b7f; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 18:11:41 -0400 Message-ID: To: References: <352683.19965.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:11:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3205 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3205 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.49.123 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=pn2-kp7xHiLAvCw8s487DgKVBF8fksaeFboPWWi5iJ61bXvHPnMj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this is going to be on 24-7 so batteries aren't going to be an oppsion ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help --- hank smith wrote: > can you test the frequency response and other stuff > when you test it. > as far as the case I am unable to see the case on > the website. > hopefully some one can help us out or chris can > suggest something. > also can you make sure when testing there is no hum > in the power supply? I heard that some power > supplies are known for causing alot of hum and other > stuff in the carier. > thanks > Hank The AL comes with holders for AA batteries. I get exceptional life out of rechargeables. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Mon Nov 05 15:13:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79065 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 23:13:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 23:13:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 23:13:48 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cb4.20d2a3c8 (52419) for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:13:44 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from hank320a6cca48 (75-165-49-123.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.49.123]) by ciaaol-m06.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM062-ccc3472fa3a54d; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 18:13:42 -0400 Message-ID: To: References: <7A6839576A0C418AAABE492919771D66@hank320a6cca48> <8C9EDFE48EACA3E-8C8-1118@webmail-de20.sysops.aol.com> <001001c81ff3$ea855620$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> <010501c82000$c39d1680$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:13:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3205 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3205 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.49.123 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=orOvnvHfvFOCCcOCPeQOQJJyhyZ8VqzA-qEu-MlPMGgE-Zk0Q932 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am in a apartment building so can't put it out doors. thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 3:06 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help If you want any kind of range it'll have to be outdoors, which, of course will require a much more substantial cabinet, (translation- waterproof and well sealed; heated with a small bulb and thermostat for cold weather wouldn't hurt either) and a 10' section of 1/2" or larger copper water pipe for the antenna. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick W To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 3:39 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help Chris used to sell these in a plastic enclosure, but the price, of course, was higher. He could probably give you a good suggestion as to where you might get the enclosure. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 3:51 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help my private email is ke7ief@aol.com awesome out of curiousity can you send me a recording of what your am stereo sounds like using it? also in in olympia wa where abouts you located at? thanks this is greatly appreciated Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 12:05 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help Will do.? I reached Chris via eBay.? I put in a question about an enclosure as well.? It has a standard 9-volt transistor radio battery clip, but the text reads 8-AA cells.? Just as a guess, it probably has a 5-volt regulator.? I can get a plug-in wall adaptor at either Digikey or Radio Shack. Enclosure suggestions from the forum would be appreciated. My Roadmaster has a AM Stereo radio that will tune 1610 so I can check it out before I send it. Glad to help. Mike -----Original Message----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:48 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help cool. can you see how much a power suply would be as well? I emailed him but am unsure if it reached him aol has been a bit flaky as of late. but yes lets go head and order up the board with 1610 frequency cristle for a extra 7 dollars plus what ever the ppo suply would be as far as enclosers any one have any ideas? thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:37 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help In a message dated 11/5/07 7:24:23 AM Central Standard Time, dwtpa97@verizon.net writes: > I don't know anything about the AMT-3000, but I think the one on eBay is > hand-built by Chris Cuff, a long time am stereo advocate. I think you're right, Dick. I don't think the eBay offering is an AMT-3000. Maybe Chris has some ideas about an enclosure. Or perhaps someone else on the forum. I am an engineer who designed things for the military. My designs tend to be robust, but estetically lacking. I'm sure Hank doesn't want something EMP-hardened, armored, and on tracks. That's the military's idea of a "portable enclosure". The only egonomic definition of "portable" the Army seemed to have was the equipment must have handles. On another note, goods news, Hank. He has a 1610 khz crystal for an extra $7 or $8 bucks. Let me know and I will order on of his boards for you. You can reimburse me when I get it put in an enclosure and you receive it. Mike Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.20/1107 - Release Date: 11/3/07 11:22 AM --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Nov 05 18:02:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51476 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2007 02:02:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2007 02:02:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.136.170) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2007 02:02:53 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bd9.2066c9bb (37140) for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 20:56:15 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from webmail-da11 (webmail-da11.webmail.aol.com [205.188.212.206]) by cia-ma03.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA032-9114472fc9be231; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:56:15 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:56:15 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI In-Reply-To: <352683.19965.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 31361-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-da11.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.206) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:56:15 -0500 Message-Id: <8C9EE2F593ABBF9-F44-2E81@webmail-da11.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.206 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=CQahpvb3etQY7Uu6hloHPrs81j-O4vnefly2ORmrxr6Kt67Mzl__o8qDekNUsADS X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The photo on ebay shows a 9V battery clip.?? Which is right? Mike -----Original Message----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 4:48 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help --- hank smith wrote: > can you test the frequency response and other stuff > when you test it. > as far as the case I am unable to see the case on > the website. > hopefully some one can help us out or chris can > suggest something. > also can you make sure when testing there is no hum > in the power supply? I heard that some power > supplies are known for causing alot of hum and other > stuff in the carier. > thanks > Hank The AL comes with holders for AA batteries. I get exceptional life out of rechargeables. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Nov 05 18:52:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14338 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2007 02:52:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2007 02:52:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2007 02:52:14 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5546 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2007 02:52:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: PV4VjuQVM1mBwTun9TU8vBD4lFV2nMKhWz126M09vi9qEPjxUrudIEJQXAsSqPwv_3nBaM3DTA-- X-Received: from [209.213.18.201] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 18:52:14 PST Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:52:14 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8C9EE2F593ABBF9-F44-2E81@webmail-da11.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <518973.5418.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=7GvcWqU_mLtSDhufImPRqz3hLl0OdVTjGUqkRy4w0mk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > The photo on ebay shows a 9V battery clip.?? Which > is right? You could do that, but mine has 2 clips in series where there's a 4 AA holder and a 2 AA holder. 6 AA holders are almost impossible to find. OK, the box, is 2 clear plastic boxes. The board sits on some think cardboard, with the center cut out for access to the batteries. The top and bottom are taped together. It's cut out for the OFF / ON switch and the RCA connectors. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Nov 05 19:22:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67569 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2007 03:22:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2007 03:22:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2007 03:22:16 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d0f.1549af16 (48345) for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 22:21:50 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from webmail-da11 (webmail-da11.webmail.aol.com [205.188.212.206]) by ciaaol-m01.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM016-bcd9472fddce117; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 22:21:50 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 22:21:50 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI In-Reply-To: <518973.5418.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 31361-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-da11.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.206) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 05 Nov 2007 22:21:50 -0500 Message-Id: <8C9EE3B4E5771B1-F44-3326@webmail-da11.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.206 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=wYB9qwAWN3aU1ndB1ttmHT1vsDOHAn9WsKqQEMgpITug1PaGl9d9-aK5PBO7SvWy X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you know how much current it draws and if there is a 5V regulator onboard?? Mike -----Original Message----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 8:52 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > The photo on ebay shows a 9V battery clip.?? Which > is right? You could do that, but mine has 2 clips in series where there's a 4 AA holder and a 2 AA holder. 6 AA holders are almost impossible to find. OK, the box, is 2 clear plastic boxes. The board sits on some think cardboard, with the center cut out for access to the batteries. The top and bottom are taped together. It's cut out for the OFF / ON switch and the RCA connectors. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Nov 06 05:42:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70646 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2007 13:41:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2007 13:41:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2007 13:41:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 99557 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2007 13:41:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: fF_pUiQVM1m0YTHVHvrclPLwY1ZKZ9Msh0B4CR2zZ0P0p5Lw357FOlySgSkDjBP9ZAX5SnU6YG5E9kyMj_ONE3oFKZPyf7DsP7mpZtXhKMZ6sGT1Zcedsj.aTQ-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 05:41:57 PST Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 05:41:57 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <104790.99055.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Alfredo Lite Power X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=WvMQ1uFH9Gkrqe3k8VmWl54Ycko0iaHhu0GOBWmiQg1GlKlXIsXArbI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio If I'm not mistaken, there is a 9volt battery clip that mates up with a similar connector on the top of a long plastic battery holder that holds 6 AA batteries. You'll likely want to use an old linear DC adapter (heavy wall wart) as most of the new small lightweight power supplies are switching power supplies with tons of RF noise on them an unsuitable for RF use. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Nov 06 07:22:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71759 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2007 15:22:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2007 15:22:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2007 15:22:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2873 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2007 15:21:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: EBgzu3kVM1kVIiNcKsP5PmvMt5TQmCdH1Or41WOaDoTYBiQs_OYnr54jHJ4j8HYwddEVcAEVsw-- X-Received: from [209.213.18.98] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 07:21:59 PST Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:21:59 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8C9EE3B4E5771B1-F44-3326@webmail-da11.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <533340.2692.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=h43nO2fmkBWcgGSM8lHMZj2QltuCgPO9U1cUKbWPG7o X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Do you know how much current it draws and if there > is a 5V regulator onboard?? > Mike Mine is an earlier 10mw version. As for the regulator, Chris would have to answer that. I can not cover my yard on 1000 with mine at night. I need at least a watt, and I don't have any neighbors within half a mile. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Nov 06 13:45:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14346 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2007 21:45:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2007 21:45:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2007 21:45:27 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bf3.196f6064 (37034) for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:45:03 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from mblk-d46 (mblk-d46.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.230]) by cia-db02.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB024-90aa4730e05e1d0; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:45:02 -0500 References: <7A6839576A0C418AAABE492919771D66@hank320a6cca48> <8C9EDFE48EACA3E-8C8-1118@webmail-de20.sysops.aol.com> <8C9EE1140C571AA-41C-2089@Webmail-mg21.sysops.aol.com> <888CD436981241ECAFA67606C84C8818@hank320a6cca48> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:45:02 -0500 In-Reply-To: <888CD436981241ECAFA67606C84C8818@hank320a6cca48> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 31361-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by mblk-d46.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.230) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:45:02 -0500 Message-Id: <8C9EED56BD448A2-C24-693B@mblk-d46.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.230 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Efj40I0wQsmmWurassyFcZWUI4pBsAXrPTf5QsFufxOA0qEkbYCuju-s88MGoNo6 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hank, ? Chris tells me he has one left with the clear plastic enclosure for an extra $25.? The 1610 khz crystal is an extra $7.? Interested?? Left me know and I can changed the order.? Makes the total $82 plus shipping. Mike -----Original Message----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 4:39 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help can you test the frequency response and other stuff when you test it. as far as the case I am unable to see the case on the website. hopefully some one can help us out or chris can suggest something. also can you make sure when testing there is no hum in the power supply? I heard that some power supplies are known for causing alot of hum and other stuff in the carier. thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:20 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help I live in St. Louis, MO.? I'm afraid I don't have any recording equipment that would do it justice.? The Roadmaster has its factory Concert II sound system with AM Stereo radio.? My audio recording equipment, as with a microphone, is limited to a mono Sony note taking microcassette unit that runs at 15/16 ips.??Trust me, you wouldn't like the quality of the recording. I am an engineering and do have test equipment.? I don't if its output is enough for the AM Detector on my distortion test set.? However, I can?do trap pattern tests for?modulation capability, linearity, frequency response, and noise on with my o'scope if you like. By the way, I placed the order for a board with a 1610 crystal. Here are some other?Part 15?AM transmitters which might?provide some idea as to an enclosure.? http?://www.ontheair3.com/#bc-100 Incidentally, I looked at tube version.? Personally, I?don't believe the claimed specifications, at least for the tube unit. Mike -----Original Message----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 2:51 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help my private email is ke7ief@aol.com awesome out of curiousity can you send me a recording of what your am stereo sounds like using it? also in in olympia wa where abouts you located at? thanks this is greatly appreciated Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 12:05 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help Will do.? I reached Chris via eBay.? I put in a question about an enclosure as well.? It has a standard 9-volt transistor radio battery clip, but the text reads 8-AA cells.? Just as a guess, it probably has a 5-volt regulator.? I can get a plug-in wall adaptor at either Digikey or Radio Shack. Enclosure suggestions from the forum would be appreciated. My Roadmaster has a AM Stereo radio that will tune 1610 so I can check it out before I send it. Glad to help. Mike -----Original Message----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:48 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help cool. can you see how much a power suply would be as well? I emailed him but am unsure if it reached him aol has been a bit flaky as of late. but yes lets go head and order up the board with 1610 frequency cristle for a extra 7 dollars plus what ever the ppo suply would be as far as enclosers any one have any ideas? thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:37 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help In a message dated 11/5/07 7:24:23 AM Central Standard Time, dwtpa97@verizon.net writes: > I don't know anything about the AMT-3000, but I think the one on eBay is > hand-built by Chris Cuff, a long time am stereo advocate. I think you're right, Dick. I don't think the eBay offering is an AMT-3000. Maybe Chris has some ideas about an enclosure. Or perhaps someone else on the forum. I am an engineer who designed things for the military. My designs tend to be robust, but estetically lacking. I'm sure Hank doesn't want something EMP-hardened, armored, and on tracks. That's the military's idea of a "portable enclosure". The only egonomic definition of "portable" the Army seemed to have was the equipment must have handles. On another note, goods news, Hank. He has a 1610 khz crystal for an extra $7 or $8 bucks. Let me know and I will order on of his boards for you. You can reimburse me when I get it put in an enclosure and you receive it. Mike Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Nov 06 15:41:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73844 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2007 23:41:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2007 23:41:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2007 23:41:52 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.53.121] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071106174122001874800003> for ; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:41:22 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002701c820ce$bdd58ce0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <7A6839576A0C418AAABE492919771D66@hank320a6cca48> <8C9EDFE48EACA3E-8C8-1118@webmail-de20.sysops.aol.com> <001001c81ff3$ea855620$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> <010501c82000$c39d1680$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:41:22 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=uUXnf2ZTBNSbxebYTd04POfpy5omuQBlRukFmW4RVvQe8BcPhjgH X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We'll have to figure some way of coupling it to the power lines as a carrier current setup. You could jack the power up to several watts as long as it didn't carry too far off the apartment complex property or away from the power lines. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith I am in a apartment building so can't put it out doors. thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net If you want any kind of range it'll have to be outdoors, which, of course will require a much more substantial cabinet Scott Todd --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]